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Do you feel overwhelmed by endless recruiting tech, tools, and “hacks”—but still wonder why top-billing recruiters win? This episode pulls back the curtain! Join Benjamin Mena as he sits down with powerhouse insurance recruiter Amy Simpson to unlock her 20 years of consistent, high-performance results. Amy proves that big wins come not from chasing shiny objects but from nailing the basics and building lasting client relationships.
Here's a question that'll keep you up at night: What do you do when you believe in "buy or die" but you're terrified of ruining future opportunities with annoying prospecting sequences? That's exactly what Angie Anderson asked during a recent Ask Jeb session, and it's a problem that's plaguing salespeople everywhere. Angie subscribes to the buy or die mentality but doesn't want to destroy her odds of winning in the future by becoming the prospect's worst nightmare. If you're nodding your head right now, you're not alone. The tension between persistent prospecting and respectful relationship building is one of the biggest challenges facing modern sales professionals, and getting it wrong costs you deals—both now and in the future. The Buy or Die Misconception That's Killing Your Pipeline Here's the brutal truth: Most salespeople completely misunderstand what "buy or die" actually means. They think it's about hammering prospects until they crack, but that's not persistence—that's harassment. Real buy or die mentality recognizes that the prospect is never not a prospect, but sometimes now is not the right time. The key is knowing when to push and when to pull back. Your sequence length and touch frequency should be driven by one critical factor: deal complexity and account size. Short Cycle Sales Need Short, Aggressive Sequences Run 10-14 touch sequences over 10-30 days with touchpoints every 2-3 days. These prospects have buying windows that are typically always open, and the stakes are relatively low. Complex Accounts Require Long-Term Relationship Building For massive, high-value accounts, you could run sequences that extend up to two years. Touch them monthly or quarterly to stay top of mind, waiting for the right opportunity window to open. The magic happens when you track meaningful engagement. In any properly executed sequence, 30-50% of prospects will give you some form of signal—yes, no, or even "go away." All of these responses give you something to work with. But here's the critical part: When you get complete radio silence from the other 50%, you stop. Pull them out of your sequence, slot in fresh prospects, and circle back in 90 days or six months. You have infinite time to go after them—use it strategically. Why Generic Messages Get You Blocked Every Time This brings us to the second major challenge facing modern salespeople: crafting relevant messages that actually resonate with busy prospects. James Baldwin perfectly captured this struggle when he asked about leveraging tools like ZoomInfo to create relevant messaging. He sees tons of information but doesn't know what to use or how to use it effectively. This is where most reps completely miss the mark, and it's costing them relationships. The Research Failure That Destroys Credibility Want to know the fastest way to get permanently blocked? Send a message that screams "I know nothing about you or your business." This happened to me recently with a rep from a major software company. They did everything technically right—multi-channel approach, proper timing, professional voicemails—but they failed at the most critical element: relevance. They prospected Sales Gravy without doing even basic research. My LinkedIn profile was right there. My content was everywhere. I've literally said thousands of times that if you mention my books when prospecting me, I'll almost always respond. But they were too lazy to look. That's not persistence—that's sales malpractice. How to Turn Data Overload Into Relevant Conversations The problem isn't lack of information—it's information overwhelm. Modern tools give you access to massive amounts of data, but most reps freeze up trying to figure out what matters. The solution is asking better questions of your data. Instead of just building lists, use AI-powered tools to ask specific questions: "What are three conversation starters that would make this CEO interested in talking with us?
A slightly provocative title sets the tone: the old way versus the right way. On Scrappy ABM, host Mason Cosby brings together leaders who've been in the belly of the beast—people who built ABM programs at technology vendors and across startup, mid-market, and enterprise realities. The panel aligns on a clear definition: a B2B revenue strategy that aligns marketing, sales, customer success, and rev ops around a shared target account list that reflects best customers, with data-driven decision making.From pre-COVID tool stacks (Engagio→Demandbase, Terminus, Uberflip/PathFactory, Marketo, Salesforce, LinkedIn Campaign Manager, Google Ads) to unbundled, signal-driven programs, the group contrasts platform-led decisions with strategy-first programs. Costs spiraled—$200k+ in tools and team lift pushing some stacks to $910k—while teams chased account-level intent that often came from one contact or disappeared inside the ICP filter. Today's shift centers on signals, precision, and orchestration: pick the right accounts, design plays around triggers, personalize experiences, and measure contribution, not just source. The takeaway: get the foundations right, then add tech that plays nicely together.
את ד"ר מיכה בריקסטון אירחנו כאן לפני כשנתיים, זמן קצר אחרי האקזיט המרשים של קרוב ל־600 מיליון דולר, שבו נמכר הסטארטאפ קורוס שייסד ל־ZoomInfo.כעת, בפרק החדש של הקריירה שלו, הוא בחר מטרה אחרת לגמרי – לעשות טוב.החברה החדשה שהקים, Somite, מפתחת מודלים מבוססי בינה מלאכותית לייצור תאים ורקמות אנושיות, כחלק ממדע הרפואה הרגנרטיבית – שיקום, תיקון או החלפה של תאים פגועים לטיפול במחלות קשות.הטכנולוגיה של החברה מאפשרת להשתמש בתאים אנושיים ורקמות כתרופות, עם פוטנציאל יישום רחב – מסוכרת נעורים, דרך בעיות אורתופדיות ומפרקיות, ועד ניוון שרירים ועוד.עד היום גייסה Somite כ־60 מיליון דולר, בין היתר מ־Khosla Ventures (הקרן הראשונה שהשקיעה ב־OpenAI) ומקרן הצדקה של מארק צוקרברג ופרסיליה צ'אן.אחרי שבנה חברה ששינתה את עולם המכירות באמצעות בינה מלאכותית, בריקסטון נחוש עכשיו להשתמש בטכנולוגיה כדי להציל חיים ולרפא מחלות.
SDR teams that were well fed by inbound are now shifting from qualification to outbound prospecting. On Scrappy ABM, host Mason Cosby sits down with Josh Gainey, the Go Market lead over at Kasm Technologies, to break down a practical outbound playbook: start with the right SDR hire profile, define who not to target, and align on an A / C / F grading scale that everyone—SDR and AE—buys into.Josh unpacks “freedom within a framework,” why the process should be the accelerator, not the tool, and how a simple rhythm across LinkedIn, Sales Navigator, ZoomInfo, Outreach, and Salesforce can book the right meetings without burning accounts. From first messages that hit the top three points to moving fast from LinkedIn to calendar, proof of concept momentum, and becoming a manager of managers, this conversation lays out what was awesome, what was hard, and the lessons teams can apply—whether inbound or outbound.
This episode is the audio from our recent webinar on cold calling. Colin Specter from Orum and Calvin Flax from ZoomInfo joined us to share what top reps do to land more meetings through the phone, based on insights from 1B cold calls completed using Orum. Check out more free content and get coaching at https://outboundsquad.com.
On the latest episode of After Earnings, Ann Berry sits down with Henry Schuck the Founder and CEO of ZoomInfo to break down the company's recent earnings, including revenue growth and profitability. They discuss ZoomInfo's efforts to leverage AI for product development, customer acquisition strategies, and how the company is navigating increased competition and market challenges in the sales intelligence space. 00:00 - Henry Schuck Joins01:15 - Securing the GTM Ticker Symbol 02:43 - Customer Segmentation and Target Markets 04:18 - Product Application for a Cleaning Services Business 09:14 - Launch and Growth of Copilot 13:12 - Earnings and Market Reaction16:37 - Enterprise Use of ZoomInfo for AI Integration 17:09 - Supporting AI Implementation 18:41 - Leveraging Proprietary Data Assets 19:35 - Internal AI Adoption and Efficiency Gains 22:49 - Founding Story and Early Growth 25:55 - Competitive Landscape and Entry Barriers 26:41 - Data Network as a Long-Term Differentiator After Earnings is brought to you by Stakeholder Labs and Morning Brew. For more go to https://www.afterearnings.com Follow UsX: https://twitter.com/AfterEarningsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@AfterEarningsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/afterearnings_/Reach OutEmail: afterearnings@morningbrew.com $GTM Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Is the hype around AI in marketing justified, or are we setting ourselves up for another "tech bubble" disappointment? Agility requires not only embracing new technologies like AI, but also a fundamental shift in mindset, processes, and even organizational structure. It demands a willingness to experiment, learn, and adapt quickly to the ever-changing marketing landscape. Today, we're going to talk about how AI is poised to revolutionize marketing, from personalization and customer engagement to the very structure of the SaaS market itself. To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Rafael “Rafa” Flores, Chief Product Officer at Treasure Data. About Rafael Flores As an accomplished technology executive and proud immigrant from Honduras, I specialize in scaling SaaS companies from startup to high-growth enterprises. My career is built on my family's deep-rooted principles: valuing education, treating others with equal respect regardless of background, and uplifting younger talent—because I was once that little boy with big dreams. Throughout my career, I have led transformative initiatives at some of the most recognized names in the technology landscape:Meltwater: Played a pivotal role in the company's successful IPO, showcasing expertise in product innovation and market readiness.Datanyze: Led strategic initiatives that culminated in a successful acquisition by ZoomInfo, enhancing data intelligence capabilities.ARM Holdings: Spearheaded innovation in Retail SDK and IoT solutions, advancing the company's technology ecosystem and driving new business opportunities. 6sense: Led all automation, data, and AI-products, fostering a culture of collaboration and inclusion, while delivering data-driven solutions that empower GTM team(s) to sell effectively.Treasure Data: Orchestrated a landmark $600M acquisition by ARM and secured record-breaking Customer Data Platform (CDP) funding. Today, I am back leading Treasure Data through a transformative era of intelligence and automation fit for scale, while returning to an organization that feels like home—rich with talent, poise, and a passion for progress. I am also a devoted father of three beautiful children and grateful for the unwavering support of my wife—a registered nurse who embodies strength and compassion. My core expertise lies in defining and executing product strategies, roadmaps, and key performance indicators (KPIs). I possess deep knowledge of CDPs, data management, privacy frameworks, and SaaS go-to-market (GTM) applications, scaling solutions for businesses ranging from agile SMBs to Global 2000 enterprises. Rafael Flores on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ref2019/ Resources Treasure Data: https://www.treasuredata.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://www.teksystems.com/versionnextnow Don't Miss MAICON 2025, October 14-16 in Cleveland - the event bringing together the brights minds and leading voices in AI. Use Code AGILE150 for $150 off registration. Go here to register: https://bit.ly/agile150 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://www.theagilebrand.showCheck out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company
Is the hype around AI in marketing justified, or are we setting ourselves up for another "tech bubble" disappointment? Agility requires not only embracing new technologies like AI, but also a fundamental shift in mindset, processes, and even organizational structure. It demands a willingness to experiment, learn, and adapt quickly to the ever-changing marketing landscape. Today, we're going to talk about how AI is poised to revolutionize marketing, from personalization and customer engagement to the very structure of the SaaS market itself. To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Rafael “Rafa” Flores, Chief Product Officer at Treasure Data. About Rafael Flores As an accomplished technology executive and proud immigrant from Honduras, I specialize in scaling SaaS companies from startup to high-growth enterprises. My career is built on my family's deep-rooted principles: valuing education, treating others with equal respect regardless of background, and uplifting younger talent—because I was once that little boy with big dreams. Throughout my career, I have led transformative initiatives at some of the most recognized names in the technology landscape:Meltwater: Played a pivotal role in the company's successful IPO, showcasing expertise in product innovation and market readiness.Datanyze: Led strategic initiatives that culminated in a successful acquisition by ZoomInfo, enhancing data intelligence capabilities.ARM Holdings: Spearheaded innovation in Retail SDK and IoT solutions, advancing the company's technology ecosystem and driving new business opportunities. 6sense: Led all automation, data, and AI-products, fostering a culture of collaboration and inclusion, while delivering data-driven solutions that empower GTM team(s) to sell effectively.Treasure Data: Orchestrated a landmark $600M acquisition by ARM and secured record-breaking Customer Data Platform (CDP) funding. Today, I am back leading Treasure Data through a transformative era of intelligence and automation fit for scale, while returning to an organization that feels like home—rich with talent, poise, and a passion for progress. I am also a devoted father of three beautiful children and grateful for the unwavering support of my wife—a registered nurse who embodies strength and compassion. My core expertise lies in defining and executing product strategies, roadmaps, and key performance indicators (KPIs). I possess deep knowledge of CDPs, data management, privacy frameworks, and SaaS go-to-market (GTM) applications, scaling solutions for businesses ranging from agile SMBs to Global 2000 enterprises. Rafael Flores on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ref2019/ Resources Treasure Data: https://www.treasuredata.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://www.teksystems.com/versionnextnow Don't Miss MAICON 2025, October 14-16 in Cleveland - the event bringing together the brights minds and leading voices in AI. Use Code AGILE150 for $150 off registration. Go here to register: https://bit.ly/agile150 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://www.theagilebrand.showCheck out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company
Pipelines are drying up. AI hasn't delivered the growth it promised. And the old playbooks like SEO and outbound just don't work the way they used to. We call it the great pipeline starvation, and in this episode we break down what's really happening, what it means for sales and marketing teams, and how companies are trying to adapt. This episode is brought to you by ZoomInfo, the Go-To-Market Intelligence Platform. ZoomInfo gives you high-quality B2B data and sales intelligence on in-market buyers across companies of all sizes, powered by AI-driven automation with integrated outreach tools to help your GTM teams build pipeline and close deals faster. Check them out at zoominfo.com/revenue-formulaWant to work with us? Learn more: revformula.io(00:00) - Introduction (02:10) - Pipeline starvation (05:22) - Breakout companies are dominating (06:50) - The cost of lead gen (15:54) - The role of AI in cost reduction (20:18) - The future of sales and marketing automation (27:10) - The impact of AI on job roles (31:05) - The limitations of AI in growth (35:21) - The augment Bucket: Enhancing roles (39:36) - Zero waste GTM (46:35) - Final thoughts (47:27) - Next week: Todd Busler on the rev tech industry
What does it take to steer a 3,500-person company into the age of generative AI? ZoomInfo founder and CEO Henry Schuck joins us to unpack the company's journey from data powerhouse to AI-first GTM platform, the cultural shifts that enabled it, and the hard-won lessons any leader can borrow. We explore how they reduced teams from 26 to 2 people using AI agents, why 2/3 of employees now use AI daily, and the critical role of data infrastructure in AI success.Subscribe to The Neuron newsletter: https://theneuron.aiLearn more about ZoomInfo: https://www.zoominfo.com
In der heutigen Folge sprechen die Finanzjournalisten Daniel Eckert und Holger Zschäpitz über einen Kursstolperer bei Hypoport, die Rallye Cannabis-Aktien und Mega-Verluste bei Softwaretiteln. Außerdem geht es um Hensoldt, Renk Group, Rheinmetall, Heidelberg Materials, Monday.com, Vertex, Twilio, ZoomInfo, OKTA, Mongo DB, Intuit, Workday, Snowflake, C3 AI, BigBear AI, Archer Aviation, AMC Enertainment, OpenDoor, Kohl's, Intuitive Machines, Tesla, Reddit, BitMine, Tilray Brands, Ørsted, BP, Shell, iShares Global Clean Energy Transition ETF (WKN: A0MW0M), PlugPower, Jinko Solar, SMA Solar, RWE, Enel, iShares iBonds Dec 2026 Term EUR Corporate ETF (WKN: A3EHAJ), Xtrackers II Target Maturity ETF EUR Corporate Bond (WKN: DBX0U6), Invesco Bullet-Shares 2027 EUR Corporate Bond ETF (WKN: A400MB) und iShares iBonds Dec 2028 Term ETF (WKN: A3EHAK). Wir freuen uns an Feedback über aaa@welt.de. Noch mehr "Alles auf Aktien" findet Ihr bei WELTplus und Apple Podcasts – inklusive aller Artikel der Hosts und AAA-Newsletter. Hier bei WELT: https://www.welt.de/podcasts/alles-auf-aktien/plus247399208/Boersen-Podcast-AAA-Bonus-Folgen-Jede-Woche-noch-mehr-Antworten-auf-Eure-Boersen-Fragen.html. Der Börsen-Podcast Disclaimer: Die im Podcast besprochenen Aktien und Fonds stellen keine spezifischen Kauf- oder Anlage-Empfehlungen dar. Die Moderatoren und der Verlag haften nicht für etwaige Verluste, die aufgrund der Umsetzung der Gedanken oder Ideen entstehen. Hörtipps: Für alle, die noch mehr wissen wollen: Holger Zschäpitz können Sie jede Woche im Finanz- und Wirtschaftspodcast "Deffner&Zschäpitz" hören. +++ Werbung +++ Du möchtest mehr über unsere Werbepartner erfahren? Hier findest du alle Infos & Rabatte! https://linktr.ee/alles_auf_aktien Impressum: https://www.welt.de/services/article7893735/Impressum.html Datenschutz: https://www.welt.de/services/article157550705/Datenschutzerklaerung-WELT-DIGITAL.html
AI isn't here to replace you, it's here to give you time back.Leslie Douglas and Kate Reed walked you through how to use AI to boost productivity in your sales role and beyond.This isn't just about summarizing calls or writing follow-ups. It's about building workflows that help you stay organized, reduce your mental load, and focus on what really moves the needle, both professionally and personally.Learn how to shift your mindset around AI, start small with high-impact use cases, and apply these tools in creative ways that actually make life easier.You'll Learn:How to integrate AI into your daily sales workflowsThe biggest mistakes reps make when prompting AIWays to use AI outside of workThe Speakers: Leslie Douglas and Kate ReedIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
Most reps get dropped into cold calling with a script and a quota. But the reps who win on the phone? They've got strategy, confidence, and a prep process that sets them up to succeed.Sara Uy and Chelsea Rickman joined us to deliver the cold calling masterclass every rep wishes they got on day one.Learn how to prep smarter, dial with confidence, and pick up the cues that help top reps know when to stick to the script and when to break it.Whether you're just getting started or looking to sharpen your skills, this session is packed with real techniques, mindset tips, and data-backed insights that drive results in today's calling environment. You'll Learn:How to prep for call blocks with intention and confidenceThe mindset shifts top callers use to stay sharp and focusedCold call techniques that work in 2025The Speakers: Sara Uy and Chelsea RickmanIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
This episode is the audio from our recent webinar on cold email. Armand Farrokh from 30 Minutes to President's Club and Jonathan Mack from ZoomInfo joined us to break down a proven cold email framework and unpack insights from our analysis of 85M+ cold emails with Gong and 30MPC. Check out more free content and get coaching at https://outboundsquad.com.
Henry Schuck, CEO of ZoomInfo (GTM), joins Market On Close to discuss the company after its latest earnings. ZoomInfo is a software and data company helping businesses find and keep customers. Despite beating on earnings, a buyback program, and revising their outlook to positive growth for the year, the stock is down today. He calls his company “the best asset from an M&A perspective” and thinks shares should be trading higher. Henry also talks some of their AI products and use cases.======== Schwab Network ========Empowering every investor and trader, every market day. Subscribe to the Market Minute newsletter - https://schwabnetwork.com/subscribeDownload the iOS app - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/schwab-network/id1460719185Download the Amazon Fire Tv App - https://www.amazon.com/TD-Ameritrade-Network/dp/B07KRD76C7Watch on Sling - https://watch.sling.com/1/asset/191928615bd8d47686f94682aefaa007/watchWatch on Vizio - https://www.vizio.com/en/watchfreeplus-exploreWatch on DistroTV - https://www.distro.tv/live/schwab-network/Follow us on X – https://twitter.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/schwab-network/ About Schwab Network - https://schwabnetwork.com/about
It's never been harder to be a CMO—and never more important to get it right. Budgets are shrinking, burnout is rising, and the pressure to deliver pipeline and prove impact hasn't let up. If you're still trying to lead through this alone, you're already behind.Hey there, I'm Kerry Curran, B2B Chief Revenue Officer, Industry Analyst, and host of Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast.In Scale Smarter Under Pressure: How CMOs Win with Peer Collaboration, I'm joined by Kathleen Booth, SVP of Marketing and Growth at Pavilion. We talk about how today's most effective CMOs are navigating change, pressure, and AI disruption—without losing their edge. Kathleen shares what she's seeing across Pavilion's global network of go-to-market leaders and why the ones still winning are focused on three essential pillars:Profitable, efficient growth AI for go-to-market Personal transformation Because resilience isn't a luxury anymore—it's a leadership requirement.We also dive into what makes GTM25, Pavilion's flagship event, different from any other conference out there—and why it's a must-attend for marketing and revenue leaders looking to scale smarter in 2026 and beyond.Be sure to stay tuned to the end, where Kathleen shares a powerful mindset shift that redefines what it means to be a modern CMO—and how to become the strategic growth architect your business needs now.If you get value from this episode, hit follow, drop a quick rating, and send it to someone in marketing, sales, or the C-suite who needs to hear it. Let's go.Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:01.417)Welcome, Kathleen. Please introduce yourself and share your background and expertise.Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (00:06.382)Hey Kerry, thanks for having me on the show. My name is Kathleen Booth. I am the SVP of Marketing and Growth at Pavilion, a global private membership community for go-to-market executives. Our mission is to help go-to-market leaders succeed in their careers at a time when tenures are notoriously short and the pressure is extremely high.Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:33.417)Excellent. Thank you so much for joining today, Kathleen. As we've discussed, I'm a bit obsessed with Pavilion right now. There are so many smart examples, learnings, coursework—just tons of content to up-level executives. But what I love is that it emphasizes that marketing, sales, and customer success must work together to drive revenue and business growth. I know you're talking to a lot of CMOs, CROs, and customer success executives. What are you really hearing today? What are the challenges or what does the marketplace look like for them?Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (01:19.086)The theme word of the year is “uncertainty.” We get a lot of feedback from our members and more broadly. We're living through a time of tremendous pressure on go-to-market leaders in general—and CMOs in particular. It wouldn't be a podcast if we didn't mention AI.Artificial intelligence is transforming everything so quickly, it's difficult to find solid ground. As soon as you think you understand something, it changes again. Data shows buying complexity is increasing. Leadership turnover is high. Legal, regulatory, and geopolitical instability make it hard to predict even six months out.Recent data from G2 shows vendor shortlists are shrinking—from four to seven options previously, to just one to three now. That makes it harder to even get considered. Marketers have to step up brand awareness and demand, but budgets are under pressure.According to Gartner, only 24% of CMOs say they have enough budget to execute their strategy. Marketing budgets as a percent of total revenue are down 11% from 2020. The challenges are growing, but our toolset is shrinking. Then there's AI. It brings promise—but also complexity.Salesforce found that marketers see AI as both the top opportunity and the top challenge. One person called it a “proble-tunity.” Around 75% of marketers have experimented with AI, and marketing is seen as the most advanced department when it comes to adoption. But only 32% say they're using it adequately.And the result of all of this? Burnout.Gartner's CMO Leadership Vision report shows that marketers facing high levels of change are twice as likely to experience burnout. We're all feeling it. To make it worse, only 14% of CMOs are viewed as effective at shaping markets—a skill that's crucial for hitting revenue targets.All of this suggests the modern CMO must be commercial, creative, and AI-powered. We're in a first-principles moment where we need to rethink what marketing organizations look like, how to build go-to-market motions, and what role AI should play.We can't just be storytellers or data crunchers. We need to be strategic growth architects.Kerry Curran, RBMA (06:10.941)Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. To your point, where the CMO was once seen as the creative or visual lead, now marketing is more directly connected to revenue. McKinsey did a study a year and a half ago saying companies that put marketing at the core of their growth strategy outperform their peers.Then in June, they released another study saying the biggest challenge for CMOs now is getting closer to the CFO—earning respect at the leadership table. And you're right: it can't all be done by AI. It's not just branding and communications anymore. It's more complex—and CMOs have more demands, tighter budgets, and higher expectations.What frustrates me is that it still falls to the CMO to educate the rest of the executive team on the value of marketing. I know Pavilion does a great job helping upskill and educate executives—especially in marketing and sales. What's the solution? How are you solving this? And how should leaders outside of marketing be thinking about it?Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (07:49.068)At the start of the year, we identified three cross-cutting themes for the Pavilion community—not just for marketing. And they've held up, even with how much has changed.First is “profitable, efficient growth.” This speaks directly to marketers needing to understand the P&L and get closer to the CFO to make smarter bets.Second is “AI for go-to-market.” Unsurprisingly, we have to lean in. I love that marketers are seen as AI leaders within their organizations. If we can solidify that position, it's not just job security—it's a way to lead from the front. We should be saying, “I'm out ahead of this, and I'm bringing the company with me.”The third theme—maybe a little “woo-woo”—is “personal transformation and resiliency.” Because it is hard. The stress is real. You and I were talking before we started recording about unplugging for vacation. That's not just a luxury—it's essential. We can't teach people how to take care of themselves, but we can remind them that it matters just as much as staying on top of AI.Kerry Curran, RBMA (09:54.183)Yeah, definitely. I love those three pillars—and they truly are cross-cutting. Can you go deeper on how Pavilion is helping marketers in each area? I know you're doing a lot with AI onboarding, upskilling, and coursework. And yes, marketers are definitely carrying the torch there.Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (10:24.046)Sure! One way to encapsulate it is with our flagship event: GTM2025. It's happening September 23–25 in Washington, D.C. (you can learn more at attendgtm.com). It brings our members together to share perspectives and preview where our “product”—which is really an experience—is heading.For marketers specifically, we have a dedicated sub-community led by incredible members. They host regular roundtables because—let's be real—the landscape is changing too fast for blogs and newsletters to keep up. You need peers. You need the hive mind.Then, tied to profitable, efficient growth, we have our CMO School—teaching what it takes to be world-class. GTM2025 will feature sessions on P&L fluency, leadership, and more.AI and GTM is a huge theme. The entire conference focuses on “AI and the Future of GTM.” It's not just a buzzword—every speaker is talking about how it's transforming their work. We're also teaching specific courses on building an AI-augmented go-to-market team: tools, workflows, and real-world examples.For the personal transformation side, we're one of the only conferences with a wellness room—sound baths, guided meditations. We also include topics outside the typical ABM and ad campaign tracks. This year, our keynotes reflect that.One I'm super excited about is Will Guidara, author of “Unreasonable Hospitality.” He was GM of Eleven Madison Park—the world's first vegan Michelin-starred restaurant. The book is about how hospitality—not just great food—helped them become the best restaurant in the world. It's surprisingly a business book: process, customer orientation, service. He'll talk about hospitality as a driver of business excellence.Then we have Henry Schuck, CEO of ZoomInfo. They just changed their NASDAQ ticker to GTM—so they're clearly committed to go-to-market alignment. I'm excited to hear his perspective.We'll also feature Noelle Russell, author of “Scaling Responsible AI.” AI is still the Wild West, and we need to understand the guardrails. What are we accountable for as adopters?Finally—and this is a first—we're hosting a geopolitical keynote panel because the event is in D.C. We can't talk go-to-market strategy and ignore what's happening with the economy, regulation, supply chains, tariffs, and labor.Our panel features Josh Barro and Megan McArdle—both independent, balanced journalists—plus one more speaker TBD. They'll focus on facts, implications, and how leaders should incorporate them into strategic planning.And for those who prefer to skip political talk, don't worry—the bar opens early!Kerry Curran, RBMA (17:47.997)Yes! That is so relevant for what's on business leaders' minds—especially CMOs. I love that you're hitting every angle. From hospitality and customer-centricity to AI and global context—it's all interconnected. And I'm especially excited for the Women's Summit the day before.Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (19:00.758)Yes! Anne and Lindsay—leaders of our Women of Pavilion community—have built something special. They led our first Women's Summit last year, and it was incredible. This year's agenda is entirely member-driven, sourced from our networks, and centered around the real issues facing female leaders.Kerry Curran, RBMA (19:40.647)Lindsay was a guest on the podcast—she's brilliant. And Anne as well. Every event and session I've attended has been so thoughtful. Kathleen, this has been incredibly valuable. For listeners unfamiliar with Pavilion, can you share what resources and support it provides?Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (20:08.110)Of course. Pavilion is a private membership community for go-to-market executives and aspirants. We offer:- A private Slack community with functional groups- 50+ local chapters around the world- Pavilion University (with CMO School, GTM School, AI School, etc.)- Career services, job board, mentorship- Events: GTM, CMO Summit, local dinners, and moreIt's about creating a trusted peer network, providing operator-built education, and fostering connection. That's how we support leaders through this new GTM era.Kerry Curran, RBMA (21:34.439)Totally agree. I joined in March and wish I had joined sooner. The coursework has brought structure and rigor to initiatives I previously had to figure out on my own. The peer learning is incredible. And the dinners are next-level—I'm headed to one in Boston tomorrow. Last time we joked we should build a better CRM on a cocktail napkin.Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (22:45.709)I love that.Kerry Curran, RBMA (22:56.605)We're clearly biased, but for those thinking about how to grow and lead in today's GTM world, what should they be focusing on?Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (23:15.118)I'll close with some data and advice: 84% of leaders believe their company's identity will need to significantly change in the next five years. That's massive.CMOs are well-positioned to lead that change—if they step up:First, build cross-functional leadership muscles. Pavilion excels at this. It's not just about marketing—it's learning to partner with sales, CS, ops.Second, shape the market. Be the narrative builder and operationalize brand trust. With AI exploding, brand is having a renaissance. CMOs must lead here.Third, guide the customer experience. We've talked about hospitality, but post-sale is more important than ever. Marketing needs to drive loyalty, retention, and evangelism.With AI and product data, we can now create truly personalized journeys—at scale. That opens a world of opportunity.Kerry Curran, RBMA (27:01.095)So many valuable points. Thank you for joining us today, Kathleen! How can people learn more about GTM2025, Pavilion, or connect with you?Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (27:19.886)You can learn more at joinpavilion.com and attendgtm.com. And feel free to connect with me on LinkedIn—just mention you heard this podcast!Kerry Curran, RBMA (27:40.585)Thank you! Looking forward to seeing you in September.Kathleen Booth | Pavilion (27:45.623)I can't wait.Thanks for listening to Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast. If Kathleen's insights resonated with you and you're ready to stop leading in a vacuum, remember this: the best CMOs aren't doing more—they're doing it smarter, together. If you got value from this episode, do me a quick favor: hit follow, leave a rating, and share this with someone in marketing, sales, or the C-suite who needs to hear it.And don't miss the event of the year for go-to-market leaders: GTM2025, hosted by Pavilion. It's where marketing, sales, and customer success executives come together to connect, learn, and lead what's next. Register today at attendgtm.com.If you want more growth frameworks, peer strategies, and go-to-market insights, head to revenuebasedmarketing.com or connect with me, Kerry Curran, on LinkedIn. More powerhouse episodes are coming soon, so stay tuned and keep scaling smart. Flat or slowing revenue? Let's fix that—fast.Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast delivers the proven plays, sharp insights, and “steal-this-today” tactics that high-growth teams swear by.Follow / Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, and YouTubeTap ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ if the insights move your metrics—every rating fuels more game-changing episodes
Cold calls can go sideways fast, but top SDRs don't panic, they pivot.Mesha Wright joined us for a high-energy, session where we spin the Cold Call Roulette wheel and drop into real scenarios: surprise objections, new personas, tricky moments like pricing or the close.See exactly how to reframe pushback, match tone to ease tension, and reset permission when the conversation derails.Walk away with a repeatable playbook to handle cold call chaos, with creativity, control, and zero scripts.You'll Learn:How to reframe objections in real timeTone techniques to build instant trustPermission resets that steer calls backThe Speakers: Will Aitken and Mesha WrightIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
Guest: Vaughn English Guest Bio: Vaughn English is a growth-focused sales leader with over 10 years of experience driving revenue across industries including digital marketing, 3D visualization, tourism, and insurance. He has a proven track record of building high-performing outreach strategies, leading cross-functional teams, and closing complex B2B deals. Vaughn specializes in leveraging CRM platforms, marketing automation, and creative campaigns to engage prospects and accelerate the sales cycle. From launching national tourism campaigns to scaling 3D content solutions for enterprise clients, he brings a consultative approach that aligns client goals with actionable solutions. Vaughn thrives at the intersection of strategy, creativity, and execution, consistently turning opportunities into lasting partnerships. Key Points: Background and Path to Sales Started in theater; transitioned to sales due to communication skills and confidence. First job: selling DirecTV inside Costco, a challenging experience that taught resilience. Gradually moved into more prestigious roles, now at Fracture. Role at Fracture Tasked with building the B2B infrastructure from scratch, including identifying the ideal customer profile (ICP), creating case studies, lookbooks, product menus, and developing marketing and outreach processes. Finding the Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) Initially targeted hospitality, but realized sales cycles are very long. Exploring design firms and higher education as more promising ICPs. Higher ed (e.g., Boston College) often needs ongoing art installations, recognition plaques, etc., making them strong repeat buyers. CRM and Sales Technology Strong proponent of using CRMs despite challenges. Believes CRMs are essential for organizing contacts and outreach, launching automated email campaigns, and tracking sales activity. Sales Outreach Strategy Focuses heavily on cold email campaigns. Personalized and well-researched. Uses intent data (from sources like ZoomInfo, Bombora) to identify companies showing buying signals. Example: campaign to Ben & Jerry's using their "Flavor Graveyard" as a custom subject line. Warm leads via email before calling; cautious about cold calling personal cell phones (though interviewer disagrees). Team Dynamics and Management Style Small team (essentially 2 people); the other focuses on account management. Balances trust with light micromanagement, uses CRM visibility (e.g., BCCs, task tracking) to monitor activity, steps in when new leads aren't followed up quickly enough. Believes in hiring people he can trust to reduce the need for hovering. Challenges and Learnings Struggles with ensuring consistent follow-up on new leads while handling large ongoing projects. Building out processes and infrastructure in real-time while scaling the B2B arm. Emphasizes that real ICP identification comes through direct conversations and testing. Guest Links: vaughn.english@fractureme.com Connect on LinkedIn About Salesology®: Conversations with Sales Leaders Download your free gift, The Salesology® Vault. The vault is packed full of free gifts from sales leaders, sales experts, marketing gurus, and revenue generation experts. Download your free gift, 81 Tools to Grow Your Sales & Your Business Faster, More Easily & More Profitably. Save hours of work tracking down the right prospecting and sales resources and/or digital tools that every business owner and salesperson needs. If you are a business owner or sales manager with an underperforming sales team, let's talk. Click here to schedule a time. Please subscribe to Salesology®: Conversations with Sales Leaders so that you don't miss a single episode, and while you're at it, won't you take a moment to write a short review and rate our show? It would be greatly appreciated! To learn more about our previous guests, listen to past episodes, and get to know your host, go to https://podcast.gosalesology.com/ and connect on LinkedIn and follow us on Facebook and Instagram, and check out our website at https://gosalesology.com/.
Most reps wait too long or reach out too soon.But Chris Cozzolino has a better solution, let engagement lead the way. He joined us to show how LinkedIn likes, comments, and content can signal the right time to start a conversation.Learn how to track activity, spot intent, and send messages that actually land. Chris walked through his exact approach, including before/after examples and tactical prompts you can steal. You'll Learn:What engagement signals to monitorHow to write messages based on content interactionWhy targeting active users lead to better conversion ratesThe Speakers: James Buckley and Chris CozzolinoIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: Zoominfo
Social selling isn't just posting content or chasing engagement. If your LinkedIn strategy stops at vanity metrics, you're leaving pipeline on the table.Darren McKee, known for turning scrolls into sales, breaks down what actual social selling looks like. We talked DM scripts, timing, tone, and how to move from comments to booked meetings.Walk away with tactical moves to connect with your ICP, start real convos, and turn your presence into pipeline. You'll Learn:Mistakes that damage your social selling strategyHow to turn engagement into meetingsScripts + timing to move from DM to dealThe Speakers: James Buckley and Darren McKeeIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
At this point, most people are using AI in some capacity. But nearly everyone struggles with getting the most out of it.This session broke down what makes a great prompt and why most reps aren't getting the full value out of AI in their sales workflow. You'll see real examples, rewritten live.Learn prompt structures that actually work, watch side-by-side output comparisons, and walk away with proven ways to use AI for cold emails, discovery prep, and more.You'll Learn:What makes a good vs bad promptLive demonstration and prompt re-writesCreative prompts anyone can use in their sales processThe Speakers: Jed Mahrle and Kyle VamvourisIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo, Goldcast and Refine Labs
Think the VP is always the decision maker? In many buying teams, the person with the title isn't always the one with the power.Ali Schwanke and Tom Alaimo show how top reps go beyond Sales Nav basics and uncover who's really driving the deal. You'll get actionable ways to map accounts creatively, decode social signals, and build momentum from the first touch to the final “yes.”Walk away knowing how to reach the real decision makers and how to avoid getting ghosted on the way.You'll Learn:How to spot influence vs. authoritySmart ways to map accounts creativelyHow to ladder up from first reply to final “yes”The Speakers: Leslie Douglas, Ali Schwanke and Tom AlaimoIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo and Aligned
In today's rapidly evolving sales landscape, lead generation remains a top priority for Chief Revenue Officers and sales leaders. But with the rise of AI, changing buyer behaviors, and an overwhelming array of tools and technologies, how can sales teams effectively navigate this complex terrain? In this episode of the Modern Selling Podcast, I sit down with Zach Jones, Chief Revenue Officer at TechnologyAdvice, to explore the cutting-edge strategies and tools that are reshaping the lead generation game. With over a decade of experience in scaling sales teams and driving revenue growth, Zach offers invaluable insights into the current state of B2B sales and marketing. Adapting to the New B2B Buyer Journey One of the most significant shifts we discuss is the changing nature of the B2B buyer journey. Zach highlights that: 75% of the buyer journey now happens before someone wants to talk to sales 86% of buyers start with a shortlist of vendors 92% of purchases come from that initial shortlist This means that awareness and early education are more critical than ever. Sales and marketing teams need to focus on getting on that shortlist through strategic content placement and engagement across various channels. The Rise of AI in Sales and Marketing Artificial Intelligence is not just a buzzword – it's reshaping how we approach lead generation and engagement. Zach shares eye-opening statistic: There's been a 240% increase in page views from ChatGPT to their websites since January This shift towards AI-driven content creation and research is changing how buyers find and evaluate vendors. Sales teams need to adapt their strategies to ensure they're visible and relevant in this new AI-powered landscape. From Funnel to Rooms: A New Perspective on Lead Nurturing Zach introduces an interesting concept of thinking about lead nurturing not as a funnel, but as two rooms: Prospects who are ready to talk to a vendor Prospects who are not ready The key is figuring out how to move prospects from the "not ready" room to the "ready" room. This approach requires a more dynamic and personalized marketing strategy, leveraging AI and intent data to create tailored experiences for each prospect. Actionable Takeaways for Sales Leaders Experiment with new technologies and strategies – don't be afraid to break things Focus on niching down and segmenting your audience for more personalized outreach Leverage AI tools to level the playing field and enhance your team's capabilities Align your sales and marketing strategies based on your target market and how they buy Consider implementing an Account-Based Experience (ABX) approach for enterprise sales As the B2B sales landscape continues to evolve, staying ahead of the curve is crucial. By embracing new technologies, focusing on personalization, and adapting to changing buyer behaviors, sales teams can position themselves for success in this dynamic environment. Timestamped Summary of this Episode: 00:00:00 The Rise of AI in Content Creation AI tools like ChatGPT are becoming increasingly popular for content creation and personalization. Marketers are focusing on delivering more relevant, timely messages to smaller, engaged audiences rather than high volume outreach. The shift towards AI-driven personalization is changing how companies approach lead generation and engagement. 00:01:07 Introducing Zach Jones: CRO of TechnologyAdvice Zach Jones, Chief Revenue Officer at TechnologyAdvice, shares his background and the company's role in connecting tech marketers with B2B buyers. TechnologyAdvice operates multiple digital media properties and offers services like content creation, digital advertising, lead generation, and buyer intent intelligence. 00:03:27 From Punk Pop to B2B Sales: Zach's Surprising Past Zach reveals his unexpected background as the frontman of a punk pop band in college. This experience, while not impressing his future wife, showcases Zach's diverse background before entering the B2B sales and marketing world. 00:05:19 Evolving Lead Generation Landscape The lead generation landscape is shifting due to economic changes and emerging technologies. Key trends include niching down to target smaller, engaged audiences, leveraging AI for personalization, and adapting to the changing demographics of B2B buyers, with millennials and Gen Z now dominating. 00:08:18 Adapting to Modern Buyer Journeys Marketing and sales teams are adapting to new buyer journeys by embracing diverse media channels like podcasts, YouTube, and newsletters. The focus is on meeting buyers where they are and providing relevant content throughout their decision-making process, rather than relying solely on traditional lead generation methods. 00:10:11 Effective Sales and Marketing Tools While some companies are cutting back on tools, certain platforms like Sixth Sense and ZoomInfo continue to deliver ROI. The trend is moving towards efficiency and proven value rather than accumulating multiple tools. New opportunities in forums, Reddit, and connected TV are emerging as ways to engage buyers. 00:12:50 Key Metrics for Evaluating Tools CROs should prioritize usage and adoption rates when evaluating tools. Pipeline generation and productivity improvements are also crucial metrics. The focus should be on how tools increase efficiency and drive tangible results rather than just adding more features. 00:17:37 Intent Data and Personalized Engagement Leveraging intent data and behavioral analytics is crucial for identifying and engaging high-potential leads early in the buyer's journey. TechnologyAdvice is developing an AI-driven "intent to lead" model that creates personalized, timely outreach based on prospect behavior across their ecosystem. 00:32:40 Rethinking the Sales Funnel The traditional sales funnel concept is evolving into a two-room model: prospects are either ready to talk to a vendor or they're not. The focus is on moving prospects from "not ready" to "ready" through personalized, dynamic marketing across various channels and touchpoints. 00:36:42 Tailoring Strategies to Audiences and Verticals There's no one-size-fits-all approach to sales and marketing strategies. Leaders must consider factors like product type, sales motion, and target market to determine the most effective channels and tactics. Account-based experience (ABX) is becoming increasingly important for enterprise sales. 00:40:18 Advice for CROs: Experiment and Personalize CROs should focus on testing new approaches, leveraging AI, and personalizing experiences for target accounts. The key is to be willing to experiment, niche down, and use available tools effectively to stand out in a competitive landscape. Follow Us on: · LinkedIn · Twitter · YouTube Channel · Instagram · Facebook You might also like: · FlyEngage - Social media AI engagement tool. · FlyPosts - Thought leadership AI post generator tool. · FlyMSG - Auto text expander (Try it out here for free). · FlyMSG Sales Pro for Individuals: On-demand sales training for individual sellers. · FlyMSG Sales Pro for Teams: On-demand sales training for sales teams for prospecting. 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Tired of sending cold emails that get ignored?Most reps are stuck using the same recycled templates and buyers can tell. If your reply rates are low, it's probably not your product… it's your messaging.In this show, an expert cold emailer wrote real emails LIVE, showing you exactly how he researches, writes, and optimizes every word.Walk away with proven tactics you can use immediately to write emails that convert. You'll Learn:Where most reps go wrong with cold emailsTop email tips that make a massive impactLive teardown and re-writes of real cold emailsThe Speaker: Jed MahrleIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo and Practical Prospecting
Welcome to Season 3 of 10/10 GTM: The Podcast for Revenue Leaders!Today, we're taking you straight to the floor of RevOpsAF, where Ross chats with three senior leaders in Revenue Operations. Joining the conversation are Jeff Vanzant, Senior Director of RevOps at DailyPay, Matt Lauer, Director of RevOps at Consensus, and Tessa Whittaker, VP of RevOps at ZoomInfo. After spending time with some of the world's top GTM leaders, one consistent theme stood out: no matter how the function evolves, RevOps leadership is the force multiplier. It's what drives GTMt alignment and revenue efficiency, especially across the famously strong personalities of marketing, sales, and executive teams.
This episode is the audio from our recent webinar on multi-threading. Heath Barnett of Mixmax, Amber Smith, and Karen Hor of ZoomInfo joined us to share how top reps increase their win rates by 2-3x, shorten sales cycles, and drive expansion by mastering multi-threading. Check out more free content and get coaching at https://outboundsquad.com.
Are your webinars generating leads, but not revenue?Leslie Douglas and Becca DeBortoli break down how to evolve your webinars from one-off lead generation events into strategic sales opportunities.Learn what high-performing teams do differently, from aligning content to funnel stages, to building automation into follow-up, to tracking downstream metrics that matter. Walk away with a full-funnel strategy that drives real revenue, not just names on a list.You'll Learn:How to structure webinars for different funnel stages and business goalsWays to equip sales teams with actionable webinar intelligenceStrategies for measuring webinar success through pipeline metricsThe Speakers: James Buckley, Leslie Douglas and Becca DebortoliIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
Most cold emails don't even make it to the inbox, let alone getting opened.Nick Palasz teardowns real cold emails — including what's working, what's getting filtered, and how to fix it fast.Walk away with proven strategies for increasing reply rates, the #1 segmentation mistake killing your campaigns, and side-by-side examples of emails that win — and flop.You'll Learn:How to fix deliverability before touching copyBehavioral + role-based segmentation tipsLive rewrites of real emails from the audienceThe Speakers: Will Aitken and Nick PalaszIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
Show Notes: Alex Lugosch and Ilya Druzhnikov, founders of True PMF, explain that True PMF is a rapid prototyping and discovery service for startups and established companies who are releasing a new product or testing a new market and don't have the tools or six to eight months to try new experiments for product market fit. The firm uses cold calling tools to test out different ideas and pitches to potential clients, focusing on understanding the reactions of potential buyers. Ilya explains how their tool saves time and money by improving the cold call process. First Steps in a Cold Call Strategy Alex and Ilya work with a founder to identify their target audience and use tools like ZoomInfo to gather a list of people that fit that profile. They then use cold calling tool to test out different ideas and iterate different pitches to potential clients. They also train the founder to do cold calls, helping them understand the process and find what resonates with potential buyers. The firm often stacks rank lists of 20 audiences to test in the next 20 days, with each experiment taking about two sessions of an hour each. At a certain point, they do turnover, where the founder takes over to learn how to do the process. They use several list building services, data validation services, and dialers to build tight lists, accessing many people at the C-suite that most founders can only dream of contacting. Within one or two calls, they find that those people are picking up on their pitches and talking to them, which is a significant improvement from the traditional six-month process of trying to determine if something is a product market fit. The Cold Call Conversation and Analysis Ilya explains the process, beginning from when they contact the founder, building the initial list, finding direct phone numbers for 80-100 people, and loading them into their enterprise-grade tech stack that few startups can afford. He goes on to explain how they start the conversation. They try to make the pitch relevant to the founder and explain that their solution could save time and money while having a positive impact on the bottom line. After the call, the transcript goes directly into the AI model, which produces an analysis of the conversation and offers recommendations on how to proceed. The next step is to determine the outcome of the call. In a typical calling session, there are sometimes upwards of 14 or 15 connects. As the conversation gets closer to the target, the conversations become more rich, with more follow-up emails, scheduled demos, and referrals. It's an iterative process until discovering the audience is interested in the topic and/or the call can be referred to the right person. Cold Calling Techniques The conversation turns to the importance of effective cold pitching techniques. They mention the importance of recognizing what's currently relevant to the client. They also discuss the concept of partnering one person to take a pitch and then alternate to the other person without giving feedback. The key to getting better at cold pitching is focusing on the elements that work in the previous pitch. This technique can be applied to other situations as well, such as listening to each other's tone of voice and understanding their preferences. Alex emphasizes that these techniques are not meant to scale sales but to provide relevant information about messaging and product features that can be used in outbound campaigns that are scalable, such as emails, LinkedIn messages, or conferences. Ilya and Alex give an impromptu example of an opening conversation with mid-market private equity owned portfolio companies. Ilya explains that their informs more effective marketing strategies. This approach helps clients narrow down their ideas about the persona, develop stronger content that connects with their target market(s), and ensures that their marketing efforts are highly effective. Cost of SDRs Cold Calling The discussion revolves around the cost of cold calling sales development representatives (SDRs) and their effectiveness in B2B product spaces. Emphasis is placed on understanding the messaging and the potential for managing costs. They mention a company with 400 clients across Europe that raised over $50 million and had six SDRs, but none of them were effective. They also mention that a multinational tech startup with a large B2B sales team cannot afford six CROs to run their sales team. They advise against giving cold calls to unskilled SDRs, as they may not be adaptable enough to handle complex situations. However, cold calling is a good prototyping tool, as it allows companies to reach a wider audience, gain insights and understanding of their market, and potentially increase their revenue. Examples of How TruePMF Serves Clients Alex and Ilya initially focused on high-growth e-commerce brands, but later discovered that they needed to target established e-commerce brands looking for margin expansion. They created a new list of these brands and tested it with CTOs, which proved more relevant. Then, they called private equity partners, specifically tech stack operating partners, to expand their reach. This allowed them to sell their solution across multiple brands. Another example is a smaller company with 20 clients, all big enterprise clients, looking to sell to private equity firms. Ilya also discusses the process of selling a product before building it, and emphasizes the importance of honesty and transparency in the sales process. About the Founders of TruePMF.com Alex Lugosch, a FinTech founder and executive at a wholesale, e-commerce company, and the B2B credit space, and Ilya Druzhnikov, a serial entrepreneur and angel investor, have both been working with founders and CEOs to help them understand Product Market Fit. They have worked in various industries, including B2B wholesale, e-commerce, and angel investing. The website, Pmf.com, is by referral only, and they have a bias for working with serious people who are serious about their business. They require founders to attend every call, including the CEO, Chief Revenue Officer, and Head of Sales. The company has sold their product to 400 companies across Europe and is coming to the United States. Timestamps: 00:02: Introduction to True PMF and Their Unique Approach 03:28: Explaining the True PMF Service 06:35: Detailed Walkthrough of the Process 10:47: Iterative Improvement and Audience Targeting 16:29: The Role of Cold Calling in Business Development 34:04: Client Examples and Success Stories 40:23: Background of Alex and Ilya Links: Website: https://truepmf.com/ Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.
Tired of cold calls getting shut down in seconds?Watch Jackie Varrichio, Senior AE at Pareto, in a tactical session on how to win conversations from the very first second. We broke down the anatomy of a great cold call — from creative openers to powerful pattern interrupts to effective objection-handling.Sara and Jackie role-played each section live — showing what works, what doesn't, and why. Walk away with tested tactics that get real responses — not hang-ups.You'll Learn:Creative openers that grab attentionPattern interrupts that shift the toneObjection responses that keep the convo goingThe Speakers: Sara Uy and Jackie VarrichioIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
Tired of deals stalling when objections arise?Mike Manzi breaks down the three most common deal-killing objections. Learn how to not just respond to objections, but proactively uncover them before they become roadblocks.See how top performers keep deals moving with techniques like exaggeration questions, and gain a deep understanding of the real issue behind each objection so you can resolve it with confidence.You'll Learn:How to uncover hidden objections prospects won't volunteerWays to isolate what type of objection you're really facingStrategies for creating momentum when buyers hesitateThe Speakers: Leslie Douglas and Mike ManziIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
If your outbound results are falling flat, it's probably not your pitch—it's your list.List-building expert, Mark Colgan, shared his screen and took you behind the scenes on how pros build a targeted outbound list in real time.Get the exact process top reps use to find the right accounts at the right time.You'll Learn:Common mistakes people make when building a listShow a live demonstration of building a list for outboundHow to automate your list buildingThe Speakers: Will Aitken and Mark ColganIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
This episode is the audio from our webinar on objection handling. We were joined by Will Aitken, Founder of WillAitken.com, Jack Wauson, GTM Team Lead at Mixmax, and Abdulla Casino, Manager of Sales Development at ZoomInfo. Check out more free content and get coaching at https://outboundsquad.com
Want to expand beyond your current customer base?Stephen Oommen reveals his proven approach to breaking into new accounts. Learn how to position yourself as a trusted resource from the first interaction and build the relationships that open doors.He delivered actionable strategies for identifying high-potential accounts, selecting the right outreach channels, and building credibility quickly with new prospects.You'll Learn:How to identify and prioritize high-potential new accountsWays to adapt your approach for different industries and rolesStrategies for leveraging relationships to gain warm introductionsThe Speakers: Leslie Douglas and Stephen OommenIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
What do you do when the market crashes and your team starts to panic? ZoomInfo's CRO James Roth has one rule: don't lower the bar.In this episode, James opens the playbook on what it really takes to lead a high-performing sales org through chaos. No buzzwords. No theory. Just the hard truths, decisions, and systems that keep ZoomInfo's revenue engine running—even when headlines scream panic.▶ From stock market volatility to sales team psychology, from discipline under pressure to the revolutionary impact of AI—this episode goes deep.James shares:Why most sales leaders get downturns completely wrong.The exact moment leaders lose control of their team's culture—and how to prevent it.What a real CRO's morning routine looks like (and why it starts at 4:30 a.m.).How ZoomInfo's AI instantly surfaces insights, empowering every rep to sell like a top performer.Why lowering quotas in tough times is never the answer.The precise leadership mindset that turns pressure into your strongest advantage.This is the episode to share with your VP, your board, or your top performers who are questioning how to navigate market uncertainty.It's a candid, behind-the-scenes conversation with one of the most respected go-to-market leaders in SaaS.Watch until the end—James reveals the single most damaging mistake sales leaders make when markets tank (and it's not what you think).About the ShowWhat does it really take to grow a B2B business today? We ask the people doing it.The Belkins Podcast dives deep into the strategies, decisions, and behind-the-scenes insights driving real growth at top B2B companies. Each episode features candid conversations with industry heavyweights—CROs, CMOs, founders, and seasoned operators—who've navigated market downturns, scaled teams, and mastered the realities of revenue growth.You'll hear hard truths, unfiltered insights, and actionable tactics directly from leaders who've actually done the work.
Want to know what goes through a top seller's mind when crafting outreach?Brandon Jeppson and Kellen Casebeer write effective prospecting messages in real time.This show gave unprecedented access to see high-performing message creation in action, with detailed explanations of why certain approaches work while others fall flat.You'll Learn:Cold call openers that create actual conversations with buyersHow to nail your value proposition every timeEffective ways to ask for the meetingThe Speakers: Leslie Douglas, Kellen Casebeer and Brandon JeppsonIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
Is it possible that a whole generation of consent-management solutions built for the EU-driven opt-in world are unsuitable for the opt-out scenario predominant in the US? How are DPOs and AI Governance professionals to deal with “shadow AI” and “shadow IT”? Daniel Barber is DataGrail's CEO and co-founder. Prior to DataGrail Daniel led revenue teams at DocuSign, Datanyze (acquired by ZoomInfo), ToutApp (acquired by Marketo) and Responsys (acquired by Oracle). He also advises several high-growth startups. References: Daniel Barber on LinkedIn Unveiling DataGrail's 2024 Data Privacy Trends Report: The Time Data Subject Requests Surged 246% in Two Years DataGrail Privacy Inspector (Chrome Web Store) Max Anderson (Ketch): Privacy Tech spotlight I – the future of CMPs, value vs. hype in privacy compliance SaaS (Masters of Privacy, April 2025)
Wondering why no one replies to your outreach?Lauren Bailey reveals the most common prospecting mistakes that drive prospects away. From pushy email bumps to awkward cold call openers, learn what NOT to do and get actionable alternatives that start conversations.She gave an insider's view from someone who receives hundreds of prospecting attempts and trains thousands of sellers on what works.You'll Learn:How to avoid the cold call blunders that end conversations instantlyWays to create follow-ups that add value instead of pressureStrategies for social outreach that engage rather than repelThe Speakers: James Buckley and Lauren BaileyIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
This episode is the audio from our recent webinar on cold email. Jack Wauson of Mixmax, Meghan Morrison, and Cir Crawford of ZoomInfo joined us to share the state of cold email in 2025, a proven cold email framework, and how top teams are leveraging AI. Check out more free content and get coaching at https://outboundsquad.com
Scott Sutton is the CEO of Later, where he leads the company's strategic vision and operations. Previously, he served as Chief Business Officer at ZoomInfo, helping grow the business from $150M to over $1.2B ARR through 10 acquisitions and an eventual IPO. Scott holds a Bachelor's and Master's in International Management from Portland State University and studied business analytics at Harvard Business School.Listen to Scott's podcast Beyond Influence.
Want to know why your discovery calls aren't leading to closed deals?Keenan reveals why the disco questions most reps ask are all wrong and how sometimes the most simple questions work the best.Learn how to shift from product-focused inquiries to uncovering the real problems driving purchase decisions and find out the one discovery question that changes everything.Keenan gave practical questioning techniques that help you understand your prospect's "why" and move deals forward with genuine momentum.You'll Learn:How to identify and focus on root-cause problemsWays to get prospects to reveal their true motivationsStrategies for overcoming discovery roadblocksThe Speakers: Will Aitken and KeenanIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereFollow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
In this episode of Tech Sales Insights, Randy Seidl is joined by Crawford Del Prete, President at IDC, to discuss IT trends for 2025 and what every seller should know about the market direction. The conversation covers Crawford's extensive career path, the role of AI in sales, infrastructure growth, and IDC's new Tech Match product. They delve into the importance of understanding customer needs, leveraging AI for sales preparation, and the transformation in application software businesses. Crawford shares insights on successful sales strategies, the significance of mentorship, and how IDC is positioning itself for future technological trends. The episode is sponsored by ZoomInfo and brought to you by the Sales Community.KEY TAKEAWAYSAI in Sales: Embrace AI tools for significant enhancements in preparedness and effectiveness in sales meetings. Lean into AI to stay competitive.Industry Growth: Infrastructure layer investments will continue growing, driven by AI advancements, with notable 55% growth in the past year.Customer-Centric Approach: Successful companies understand and address the specific "jobs to be done" by customers, leveraging deep market intelligence.IDC Tech Match: IDC's new platform helps IT buyers with AI-assisted RFP generation and vendor shortlisting, easing the buying process.Leadership & Training: Continuous training and adapting to industry trends are crucial for maintaining relevancy and operational excellence.Use of Data: Effective data sovereignty and orchestration are vital in AI adoption for mitigating risks and ensuring data control.QUOTES"If you're a seller and you're not getting prepared for meetings with AI, you're going to get screamed at.""Michael Dell has an uncanny ability to capitalize on industry transitions effectively.""Technology has reinvented itself five times since I started. You gotta love that transition to keep up.""Companies that use IDC services effectively are those that deeply understand customer problems."Find out more about Crawford Del Prete through the link/s below:https://www.linkedin.com/in/crawford-del-prete-082221/This episode is sponsored by ZoomInfo, the GTM Platform sponsor of the Sales Community. ZoomInfo is the go-to-market platform that helps businesses find, acquire and grow their customers. Businesses use ZoomInfo data and platform to increase efficiency, align sales and marketing teams, and consolidate technology stacks.
In this episode of The BlueHat Podcast, host Nic Fillingham and Wendy Zenone are joined by Dhiral Patel, Senior Security Engineer at ZoomInfo and one of MSRC's Most Valuable Researchers (MVR). Dhiral shares how a hacked Facebook account sparked his passion for ethical hacking. From web development to penetration testing, Dhiral has become a top bug hunter, landing multiple spots on the MSRC leaderboards. Dhiral reflects on his early MSRC submissions and lessons learned. He also discusses the importance of mastering web security basics, practicing on platforms like TryHackMe and Hack the Box, and staying connected with the bug bounty community. In This Episode You Will Learn: The importance of mastering web security basics before diving into bug bounty hunting Why hands-on platforms like TryHackMe and Hack the Box are perfect for beginners Dhiral's journey from blogging to freelancing and security research Some Questions We Ask: How do you balance competition and collaboration in the bug bounty community? Can you explain what clickjacking is and if it still works today? Why did you start with Power BI, and how did it lead to your journey in security? Resources: View Dhiral Patel on LinkedIn View Wendy Zenone on LinkedIn View Nic Fillingham on LinkedIn Related Microsoft Podcasts: Microsoft Threat Intelligence Podcast Afternoon Cyber Tea with Ann Johnson Uncovering Hidden Risks Discover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at microsoft.com/podcasts The BlueHat Podcast is produced by Microsoft and distributed as part of N2K media network.
70%+ of sales professionals who use AI at least once a week report:✅ Shorter deal cycles✅ Larger deal sizes✅ Improved win ratesWant to see what tools and techniques these top reps are using to get these results?We show you how to use AI the right way to help improve your sales process.You'll Learn:How to accelerate deal cycles with AIWays to leverage AI to increase deal sizesTechniques to boost win rates with AI-powered sellingThe Speakers: James Buckley, Bryan Tunick and Thibaut SouyrisIf you want to catch The Daily Sales Show live, join hereLooking to up your sales skills?Sales Training for YOU: Use code SELLBETTER to save $200 off your yearly membershipSales Training for your TEAM Follow Sell Better to get the latest actionable tactics from sales pros at the top of their gameExplore our YouTube ChannelThank you to our sponsors: ZoomInfo
Today on the pod, our very own Andrew Riesenfeld, COO of GTM here at ZoomInfo.We explore how Andrew scaled revenue operations at DocuSign, why outbound is broken, and how AI is reshaping sales efficiency at ZoomInfo, and for our customers. In this episode, you'll learn:Why outbound is broken—and how to fix it with signal-based sellingHow to build scalable sales playbooks that actually workWhy a “golden record” is critical for data-driven sales successHow AI is transforming sales forecasting and improving sales efficiencyAndrew shares tactical insights from leading revenue teams at some of the world's top companies - and why the future of sales is all about precision and personalization.For more from ZI Labs, visit www.zoominfo.com/labs Ben on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/bensalzman Millie on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/milliebeetham
Gabe Lullo is the CEO of Alleyoop, a sales development agency working with industry giants such as ZoomInfo, Salesloft, and Adobe. He has trained over 8,000 salespeople across diverse businesses and, during his tenure at Alleyoop, he has personally hired and managed more than 1,500 SDRs. With over two decades of experience in sales, marketing, and executive recruitment, his strategies have significantly driven Alleyoop's growth and shaped its corporate culture. Beyond his career accomplishments, Gabe graduated from the Barney School of Business at the University of Hartford and his leadership ethos is rooted in cultivating environments that prioritize both professional development and individual success. What you will learn Why great salespeople don't always sound like salespeople—and how authenticity wins. How AI tools are being used in sales for real-time call scoring, objection handling, and personalized prospect research. Why content + cold calls is the winning combo in modern sales (and why email is losing power). How LinkedIn content builds social proof—and what not to do when connecting with potential clients. How Gabe built a successful sales agency by spotting a gap in lead generation and training SDRs with AI-powered support.
You're not buying a list of names. Or a database. Or a stack of resumes. At least, you shouldn't be. But somewhere along the way, a lot of buyers got sold the idea that “access” is still the value. It's not. Ever since LinkedIn, Zoominfo, and countless contact info clones came around, everyone has access. What actually matters? Judgment. Influence. Customization. Accepted offers. You know, real recruiting. Jeff Smith and James Hornick break down what companies think they're paying for versus what actually moves the needle in The 10 Minute Talent Rant, Episode 108, “What Are You Actually Buying From Your Recruiter?”
Ren Systems is pioneering relationship intelligence for dealmakers, having raised $8.8 million to filter the increasing noise in today's information landscape. In this episode of Category Visionaries, I spoke with Canay Deniz about Ren's journey from a serendipitous meeting with high-level executives to building a platform that helps commercial real estate brokers, management consultants, and investment bankers extract signal from noise in their relationship networks. Topics Discussed: The origin story of Ren Systems through a chance connection with Mike Hayes (former commander of SEAL Team 2) How COVID-19 affected the company's early days when they launched on March 1, 2020 Ren's deliberate two-year product development period before active go-to-market The hybrid approach to growth combining product-led growth with enterprise sales Ren's relationship with strategic investor ZoomInfo and their complementary positioning The increasing importance of human relationships in an AI-dominated world GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Patient capital enables product excellence: Canay's investors allowed them to spend two years in "the lab" perfecting their product experience before aggressive commercialization. This patience enabled them to build something truly differentiated in a crowded sales intelligence space. As Canay notes, "Getting that first end user experience right is hyper important, even if you're completely planning on becoming an enterprise solution." Build for your actual users, not idealized personas: Ren Systems' target users are senior dealmakers who "can't be bothered to even open their email." Understanding this reality shaped their product to deliver extreme value with minimal friction. Canay explains, "The demand for solutions just value is pretty extreme with our end users. I don't have time to do anything, click a button, open anything, like learn a new tool. It just needs to work and if it doesn't work within 5 seconds, I already lost interest." End users create enterprise momentum: By focusing on individual user adoption first, Ren Systems created internal demand that made enterprise sales conversations easier. "When we have the conversation with an actual buyer decision maker, we're going to them saying, 'Listen, you know, a couple dozen people are on our platform already. If you want to coordinate this and make the roll a lot smoother for you guys, we can help with that.'" This bottom-up approach means decision-makers have often "heard about it internally already." Find your serendipity engine: Ren Systems began when Canay reached out to a friend before his honeymoon, who connected him with Mike Hayes, which led to connections with Fortune 200 founders. This network became both their initial investors and beta testers. As Canay says, "If it wasn't for warm introductions from very impressive people, nobody would have taken the time to talk to good old me." When selling to sellers, leverage their natural behaviors: Ren's sales approach capitalizes on their target audience's behaviors: "When you're selling to sellers, it's really insane how often they pick up the phone. Cold calling is an excellent way for us to build pipe." Additionally, relationship-driven sellers naturally refer others: "We talk to people, we ask, 'If there's anyone else that you can think of that could benefit from this?' And oftentimes we get back a dozen or so names." // Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co