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Jayne Sugg joins us on the space for faith podcast today, where we talk about how her faith has evolved and changed, and the way that she expresses that journey through her music and particularly through her new album, Belief is Hard. She takes us on her journey of deconstruction and reconstruction, and as we hear portions of her album, she unpacks for us what she was expressing that will resonate with with many of our experiences.  Jayne Sugg is a New Mexico native who's made NYC her home for the past seven years, sharing an East Village apartment with her husband Alex, and their Saint Bernard, Simba. After a decade of travel, work in music ministry, and completing an MA in Language, Literacy, and Sociocultural Studies, she now channels her journey through teaching, writing, and music. A member of the Good Shepherd Collective, Jayne has released her first EP, "It's So Dark", and her newest album "Belief is Hard" has recently debuted, sharing her journey of self-discovery and spiritual renewal through her songwriting. Jayne's Website Belief is Hard Spotify  Apple Music Jayne's Instagram ---------- To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808    

    Chuck DeGroat is on the podcast today as we explore understanding what is trauma, the 3 questions from Genesis 3 that open us up to healing the wounds within us in order to become ourselves again, and the intersection of spiritual trauma and stages of faith. Chuck ends our time by leading us through a practice together.    Chuck DeGroat is a professor of pastoral care and Christian spirituality at Western Theological Seminary in Holland, Michigan, where he also serves as the founding executive director of the clinical mental health counseling program. He is a licensed therapist, spiritual director, author, retreat leader speaker, and faculty member with the Soul Care Institute. As a therapist, he specializes in navigating issues of abuse and trauma, pastoral (and leadership) health, and doubt and dark nights on the faith journey. He trains clergy in handling issues of abuse and trauma, conducts pastor and planter assessments, and facilitates church consultations and investigations of abuse. Before transitioning to training and forming pastors, Chuck served as a pastor in Orlando and San Francisco. He and his wife, Sara, have been married for 30 years and have two adult daughters.   Chuck's newest book - Healing What's Within Find Chuck on X, Instagram, Threads ChuckDeGroat.net   ---------- To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Brit Barron joins me on the podcast today where we talk about her new book, Do You Still Talk to Grandma?, canceling our grandmas, progressive amnesia, messages of transformation that can make for movement,  a healthy suspicion about my own righteousness, our incessant need for an external authority, and the beautiful benediction that they offer at their church each week.  Brit is a professional chatterbox both on stages and paper.  She engages audiences with narratives that inspire, educate, and entertain. As an experienced storyteller, she have become known for her ability to use personal narratives and experiences from her own life to highlight larger, universal truths. She is recognized by her casual speaking style, use of humor, and ability to capture an audience. Leaving a lasting impact on audiences across the globe. Brit is a published author known for her insightful works that delve into the depths of human experience. Her upcoming book Do You Still Talk to Grandma? Invites readers to imagine the world beyond cancel culture and is an invitation to nuance. Her first book WORTH IT invites readers on a journey of discovery, reflection, and transformation. Do You Still Talk to Grandma - Brit's new book Brit's Sermon at South Bend City Church Brit's Website Brit on Instagram   ---------- To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Mariko Clark and Rachel Eleanor are the creators of the new Children's Bible, The Book of Belonging. It's a book of Bible stories for kind and contemplative kids, where they create space for wonder, contemplation, and identity, recognizing that everyone belongs. They share it's origin story (beginning with Mariko's daughter asking if God loves boys more than girls because of the representation she was experiencing in her own Children's Bible), how the process of creating it has affected each of them, why they chose to have created some visual depictions of God, and the thoughtful reasons they chose to utilize people's Hebrew names rather than their anglicized names in their stories.  I couldn't be more excited for this to be out in the world when it releases on September 24.  The Book of Belonging Mariko on Instagram Rachel on Instagram The Book of Belonging Substack ---------- To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Tiffany Bluhm joins me on the podcast today. We talk about a more redemptive way of reading women's stories in the Scriptures, self-care for social change, a better devotional, and some of the ways the stories of women in the Scriptures intersect with more modern historical stories of women.  Tiffany Bluhm is the author of Prey Tell: Why We Silence Women Who Tell the Truth and How Everyone Can Speak Up, Never Alone, and She Dreams. With over 15 years of ministry and non-profit leadership experience, she serves at the intersection of faith and leadership,  women's issues and justice. She is a sought after speaker who empowers audiences at companies, conferences, and churches around the world, with her talks translated into over 30 languages. Her written work has been featured in Publisher's Weekly, Sojourners, the YouVersion Bible App, Scary Mommy, The Hallmark Channel, Jenny McCarthy Show, and a host of other sites.   Tiffany lives in the PNW with her husband and two sons. The Women We've Been Waiting for Prey Tell Tiffany's website Tiffany's Instagram ---------- To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Today I get to spend some time talking with Micha Boyett. We talk about her newest book, Blessed Are the Rest of Us. She shares about how her son with Down Syndrome and Autism gave her a new perspective on flourishing within limits and redefining the norms of society. We talk about reading the Beatitudes as a poem, and what it looks like to pursue the upside-down Kingdom of Jesus.  Micha Boyett is the author of Found: A Story of Questions, Grace, and Everyday Prayer and a contributor to the New York Times bestseller A Rhythm of Prayer, edited by Sarah Bessey. She is cohost of the award winning The Lucky Few podcast, creator of The Slow Way podcast and newsletter, and has written for publications such as the Washington Post and Christianity Today. In addition to her work as a writer, she is a part-time youth pastor at Good Shepherd Church in New York City. Boyett lives with her husband and their three sons.   Micha's website Instagram Substack   --------- To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Jon Huckins is the co founder of Global Immersion, a peacemaking training organization, and was the co-director until 2023. He is now the founder of Journey Home and Adjunct Professor of New Testament at Point Loma Nazarene University.    Jon and I talk about vocational shifts, the performative nature of the way we found ourselves doing our work, his journey into post-evangelicalism, the Camino de Santiago, and the immersive experience of a pilgrimage that opens the pilgrim up to find some kind of healing, awakening, and transformation. He shares about the importance of spaces for dominant culture men to do their own work to become second half of life leaders.   journeyhome.info Jon Huckins on Instagram Jon's book that he mentions briefly, Mending Divides: Creative Love in a Conflicted World   --------------------- To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Keri Ladouceur joins us today to talk about mutual flourishing for Israelis and Palestinians. Keri is the Executive Director of the Post Evangelical Collective and hosts A Third Way Podcast. She has been hosting a series on her podcast on a Christian Perspective on Peace in the Middle East. After a short conversation about why these conversations matter, we'll listen in on one of those conversations with Greg Kahlil, one of the co-founders of the Telos Group.    Keri's A Third Way Podcast where you can hear more of her conversations on the conflict between Israel and Palestine through the lens of the subversive way of Jesus   Check out The Telos Group Practices and Principles of Peacemaking   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

We're finishing up our time together in The Divine Conspiracy Project this week as we cover the last chapter, chapter 10. We don't have a guest this week, and Mike tackles the chapter alone and then offers some reflections on re-engaging this book over the past few months. We talk a bit about the loss of a future hope for post-evangelicals as it relates to the afterlife, the significance of recognizing the physicality of the future hope, and the intersection of personal transformation and the transformation of systems and structures, with a good bit of rambling to try and make sense of it all :)    The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

We're getting close to the end of our time in the Divine Conspiracy and joining us today in one of the final chapters is Justin Morgan. Justin is the pastor of Church on Morgan (which is not named after him…which we talk about in the episode). One of the reasons we wanted to have Justin on for this specific chapter is because Willard lays out some of the vision that Justin grabbed ahold of when he first started Church on Morgan, but that he would eventually find not fully adequate for the work that they were doing. He thoughtfully engages with both an appreciation for Willard and The Divine Conspiracy, but also offers critique based on what he experienced in his church. This conversation was a gift.  Church on Morgan's Website Church on Morgan on the Instagram   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

John Ortberg joins us on the podcast today as we continue on in the Divine Conspiracy Project, looking at Chapter 8 of the book. John is a pastor, author, and speaker. He's been in ministry for over 40 years and teaches around a central theme of spiritual formation. John is a deep believer that the main thing God gets out of your life is the person you become. He desires for people to know God in an interactive, life- transforming way. Presently, John leads the ministry, Become New, focused on leveraging online technology for life change and spiritual community. Dallas Willard was a mentor to John and John would lovingly refer to some of the books that he authored as “Dallas for Dummies”.  We talk about Jesus' narrow way as a way of life, God's desire for you to become the kind of person that God can set loose in the universe to do what you want to do, the interaction between behavior and belief, our mental maps, faith in Jesus and the faith of Jesus, and all kinds of tangents along the way.   Find John at Become New John's books on Amazon     The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808    

Jeremy Jernigan joins us on the podcast this week to discuss Chapter 7 of The Divine Conspiracy as we continue in The Divine Conspiracy Project. Jeremy is the founder of Communion Wine Co, he leads the Cabernet and Pray podcast, and is known as “The Wine Pastor”.  Jeremy and I talk about a wide array of topics that this chapter brought up for us - dealing with contempt, prayer, Open Theism and how all of that relates as our faith grows and shifts and changes.  You can find Jeremy at: His website Cabernet and Pray Podcast Instagram   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Steve Carter- The Divine Conspiracy Ch 6 (071)   Steve Carter joins us on the podcast again today. Steve is the best selling author of the book, The Thing Beneath the Thing, he hosts a podcast about the intersection of the craft of preaching and who we are becoming called Craft and Character, he's a coach to communicators, and is a Teaching Pastor at Forest City Church.    Steve and I first talk briefly about his newest book, Grieve, Breathe, Receive. We then talk about the sixth chapter of The Divine Conspiracy where we tackle how he stalked Dallas during college, our shadow sides and false selves, being honest about our motivations, intentional spiritual disciplines that we engage in, making decisions from trust rather than fear, and not bypassing the wilderness. Steve gives us a gift in our conversation today.    Steve's Website Grieve, Breathe, Receive - Steve's Newest Book Steve on Instagram Craft and Character Podcast   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Michael Hidalgo- The Divine Conspiracy Ch 5 (070)   Michael Hidalgo joins us today to continue in our discussion on The Divine Conspiracy. Michael is  the Lead Pastor of Denver Community Church, the author of Unlost: Being Found by the One We Are Looking For and Changing Faith: Questions, Doubts and Choices About the Unchanging God, the host of “The Changing Faith Podcast”, a speaker, retreat leader and an associate with GiANT London. He lives with his wife and children in Denver, Colorado. Michael and I tackle the longest chapter in The Divine Conspiracy with a conversation ranging from inner transformation that begins with an embrace of being loved, spiral dynamics, and the concreteness of community. Michael's Website Michael's Instagram Denver Community Church   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Jason Miller joins us on the podcast again, this time to talk about Chapter 5 of the Divine Conspiracy, where Willard (and Jason) unpack the Beatitudes for us. Jason is a pastor who never quite felt at home in church, an artist who figured out the sermon is his song, and a teacher who still has some questions. he studied theology in the graduate school at the University of Notre Dame, and follows Jesus with the people of South Bend City Church, an eclectic Christian community known for its thoughtful teaching, inclusive vision, and commitment to its city context.   Jason and I talk about the way that Willard opened the door for us to see a better way of engaging with the Beatitudes, where Jason's own study and work has led him to make sense of these same opening words of Jesus in his sermon and he gives us a soap box about the way we're misreading Luke 4. Jason always gives us so much to think about and today's episode is no different.    jasonadammiller.com When the World Breaks…Jason's newest book Jason on Instagram South Bend City Church Sermons   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Jason Miller joins us on the podcast again, this time to talk about Chapter 5 of the Divine Conspiracy, where Willard (and Jason) unpack the Beatitudes for us. Jason is a pastor who never quite felt at home in church, an artist who figured out the sermon is his song, and a teacher who still has some questions. he studied theology in the graduate school at the University of Notre Dame, and follows Jesus with the people of South Bend City Church, an eclectic Christian community known for its thoughtful teaching, inclusive vision, and commitment to its city context.   Jason and I talk about the way that Willard opened the door for us to see a better way of engaging with the Beatitudes, where Jason's own study and work has led him to make sense of these same opening words of Jesus in his sermon and he gives us a soap box about the way we're misreading Luke 4. Jason always gives us so much to think about and today's episode is no different.    jasonadammiller.com When the World Breaks…Jason's newest book Jason on Instagram South Bend City Church Sermons   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Aaron Niequist is a liturgist, writer, and pastor currently living in New York City. He is the creator of A New Liturgy, founder of Pastors, Priests and Guides and the author of The Eternal Current.  Aaron and I shared together in his first earthquake, which hit New York while recording this podcast. But we also talk about understanding God's presence and space and how we open ourselves up with new eyes to recognize its implications around us, and experiencing the reality of the way the world actually works.  Pastors, Priests and Guides Retreats Aaron's Book - The Eternal Current Aaron on IG   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting, and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Brian Zahnd joins us again on the podcast to engage in the third chapter of the Divine Conspiracy. Brian is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church in St. Joseph, Missouri. He's also a pastor-theologian who has authored eleven books, including most recently The Wood Between the Worlds.   BZ and I briefly talk about his new book, the unique story of how he first came across The Divine Conspiracy and the significant shifts it brought about in his own life, salvation as something other than a transaction that what happens to you after you die, moving beyond altar calls, how “Christianity without transcendence denigrates into politics”, and some of what they have created in recent years at Word of Life Church.    Brian's website Word of Life Church  The Wood Between the Worlds BZ's Instagram   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Sean Palmer joins us today to delve into the first chapter of The Divine Conspiracy. Sean is an enneagram theorist, a preacher and a pastor, a speaking coach and author. He's currently the Teaching Pastor at Ecclesia Houston, and most recently is the author of Speaking by the Numbers.  Sean and I talk about how the Divine Conspiracy helped to give Jesus as fresh hearing for those like us who had presumed familiarity that led to unfamiliarity. We talk about what it means to do life with God, what a kingdom is, and how this changed and shaped our view of the work Jesus was about, and we even threw in a bit of quick baseball talk.    Sean's Website Sean's Substack   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   Becoming Dallas Willard by Gary Moon The Theology of Dallas Willard by Gary Black   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Jan Johnson is an author, speaker, college professor, and spiritual director. Amongst the many books she's written, she co-authored the Study Guide for the Divine Conspiracy. Jan also serves in leadership for the Dallas Willard School of Kingdom Living. She is someone who knew Dallas well, has been interacting with the ideas from the Divine Conspiracy for over two decades, and has been teaching and creating content from it for about as long as well. She's a great guest to introduce us to some of what we'll experience as we engage in The Divine Conspiracy together.   Jan Johnson The School of Kingdom Living The Divine Conspiracy The Divine Conspiracy Study Guide The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan ------------------ To help support me and my work, which includes this podcast, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

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where the space for faith podcast has been the past several months...what will it look like this year...and a few reflections from some of my learnings this past year

Meredith Miller is a pastor and parent who helps grownups, and the kids they love, engage with the Bible and faith in ways that are life-giving, fun, and a fit for their real lives. We talk about why it's a more helpful goal for kids to develop trust with God than obedience, what God-centered storytelling looks like, Moral Therapeutic Deism, and a bunch more. Regardless of whether you have kids or not, I think you'll find our conversation helpful as you navigate what it means to engage your faith in this current moment.    Woven - Meredith's new book Pomona Valley Church (where Meredith and her husband, Curtis pastor) The Instagrams The Substack On the internets Meredith's Podcast for Kids ----------------- PostEvangelicalCollective.org LA Regional Gathering  

Jason Miller joins us on the podcast today where we talk about the way we read the Beatitudes as a transformative way forward when we suffer rather than an expectation that creates heavier burdens. He paints us a picture of the beauty of what it begins to look like when we let these blessings of Jesus do their work.   Check our Jason's new book, When the World Breaks Find him on the Instagram And on the webs And at South Bend City Church   Other links from the podcast:   postevangelicalcollective.org - connect with post evangelical churches and others who are stakeholders in the church in this space   mikegoldsworthy.com - if you'd want to work a bit on a gap you're experiencing in life and leadership and what it might look like to do some work together - book a discovery session for us to spend some time together

Scot McKnight is the Julius R. Mantey Chair of New Testament at Northern Seminary. He's the author of numerous books including Jesus Creed, Blue Parakeet, King Jesus Gospel and A Church Called Tov, which he co-authored with his daughter Laura Barringer.  Today we're talking about a new New Testament translation that Scot has completed that will be released on June 6. In our interview, Scot calls it a "crunchy and clunky translation" as a way of describing some of how he approached this work. It's a translation that will cause you to experience some of the New Testament in fresh ways because of the choices he makes.  Check out The Second Testament Find Scot at Scot's Newsletter Substack Twitter  

Andrew Lang joins us on the podcast today. Many of the people who join us here to talk about faith are coming out of experiences from a more conservative tradition. Andrew is a bit different in that he's coming from a more progressive tradition and along the way finds the significance and beauty of the contemplative tradition. We talk about depth and inner work in our lives and the practices of the contemplative tradition that open us up to that work.   Andrew's book - Unmasking the Inner Critic   Find Andrew on the Internets at www.andrewglang.com Instagram

Mike Foster is known as the Mr. Rogers of self-development. He's a best-selling author, speaker, and executive coach empowering people to build strong lives by turning their setbacks into superpowers.   We spend some time today understanding our primal question, how it helps us to understand ourselves in ways that unlocks places where we're stuck, gives us a framework for how to relate in relationships and a better understanding of what our best contribution to the world is. Plus, you get to hear Mike diagnose me and give me a bit of a brief coaching session, where I may or may not have cried a little.   Find Mike at   https://www.mikefoster.tv   The Seven Primal Questions   Instagram   You can reach me at mike@mikegoldsworthy.com

Casey Tygrett is a pastor, a spiritual director and author. He has degrees and certifications and all of the stuff. But, what you need to know is that he's incredibly thoughtful, intuitive and generous. His newest book (releasing today) called The Gift of Restlessness was such a gift to me. I think you're going to appreciate the book and the conversation.   Find Casey's new book, The Gift of Restlessness HERE   Find Casey on the internets:   CaseyTygrett.com Instagram Facebook   If you want to talk with me about Executive Coaching or how I can be helpful for your team, you can send me an email

It's been a bit, but we've got several new episodes recorded that you'll be getting over the next several weeks.  Today, Justin McRoberts joins us again on the podcast to talk to us about finding our belovedness in our work and our rest. We talk about my Sabbath and Retirement rants, finding contentment in the actual life I'm living, and moving beyond utility and usefulness.  Check out Justin's new book Sacred Strides HERE And follow him on the Instagram

Dave Davis joins us on the podcast today. We talk about the experience of your faith shifting while you're on church staff, about changing metrics in the church, and some thoughts for those of you in ministry who are considering vocational shifts.    Dave Davis has been coaching leaders, leading organizations and bringing clarity to the confused for more than 30 years. He been an Executive Pastor, Lead Pastor, Chief Operating Officer and Consultant through a long carrier in ministry, corporate and Not For Profit spaces.   Here is info on the Telos Peacemaking Cohort  The Telos Group   Find Dave Davis The Ashland Group Email Dave

Jonathan Foster and I talk about René Girard's mimetic theory and scapegoating, how God operates with consent and love as non-scapegoating, non-violent, non-binary.  Check out Jonathan's new book, Theology of Consent   And find him on the internets here   ————— To help support me and my work, particularly with post-evangelical churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Blain Hogan joins us today to talk about Happy Friday Dance Parties, the work of uncovering your story, the tension of knowing what you want to create while also creating space for feedback, how paying attention to the particulars of our story helps us to connect more universally, and how we can change our past.    Blaine Hogan is a writer, film and creative director, and actor. Former creative director for Willow Creek Community Church, Hogan is currently a full-time filmmaker. He lives in Atlanta, Georgia, with his wife, Margaret, and their three daughters. He holds a master's degree in theology and culture from the Seattle School of Psychology and has appeared in many stage productions and television shows.   Find Blaine's new book Exit the Cave - HERE   Discover the contraband of his Happy Friday Dance Party for as long as it is allowed to exist on the internet HERE   And find Blaine on Instagram TikTok The Internets   You can subscribe to my occasional, once in a while newsletter HERE  

Peter Choi's talk from the Post Evangelical Collective 2022 in Denver, CO. Jonathan Merritt closes out our time together with Eucharist

Eric Wilson's spoken word and David Gushee's talk at the 2022 Post Evangelical Collective in Denver, CO

Gail Song Bantum's opening talk at the 2022 Post Evangelical Collective in Denver, CO

Peter Choi is Director of the Center for Faith and Justice, Associate Professor of American Christianity, and a member of the Core Doctoral Faculty at the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley. He spends some time talking to us about the way evangelicalism is understood and defined, the dynamism of our faith, and the way we engage the Scriptures and a faith that is always reforming.  Find the Center for Faith and Justice HERE, on Instagram and on Facebook And find Peter at this year's Post Evangelical Collective in Denver

On today's episode, we're joined by Kan'Dace Brock & Zach Lambert who talk with us about the ethos of the churches that they've each been a part of planting, the ways that people use money to try and control outcomes with Christian institutions, a vision for a seminary that is multi and inter-denominational as well as scholarly and practical, and how they are both involved in critiquing the old by creating the new.    Go HERE for more information about Fletcher Seminary Find Kan'Dace's church, The Message HERE Find Zach's church, Restore Austin HERE ---------- Find more info about the Post Evangelical Collective and Logos Software HERE

Mallory Wyckoff joins us on the podcast today. Mallory is a teacher, preacher, writer, and spiritual director. She serves as key relationships officer with Preemptive Love, a global community of peacemakers working to end war and stop the spread of violence. Having completed her dissertation on the impact of sexual trauma on survivors' theological perception and spiritual formation, Mallory has a DMin from Lipscomb University in missional and spiritual formation. In all her work, Mallory is a trusted voice for people seeking to navigate their spirituality with curiosity, honesty, and courage. A native Floridian, she lives with her husband and their daughters, Olive and Ivy. Order Mallory's new book, God Is HERE I start the podcast talking about 5 markers that we're identifying for post-evangelical churches. If you identify as belonging in that space, I'd love to hear your feedback on those 5.  If you want to skip straight to the interview, it begins around 8:00  

We are joined today by the President of Pillar Seminary, Dan Lowery. We spend some time talking about your life and calling taking you into unexpected vocations places, the future of seminary, ecumenical spaces, and creating space in seminary and the church for help people learn to think rather than be told what to think.   Check our Pillar Seminary and their Lunchtime Seminary program   Find information about the Post Evangelical Collective in October, Logos Bible Software or partnering with Mike in your church, non-profit or other organization at mikegoldsworthy.com

We're doing something a bit different on the space for faith podcast today and broadcasting a sermon Mike recently preached at South Bend City Church. We walk through the double healing of the blind man in Mark 8, recognizing that sometimes in our faith journey we need to see, but not clearly before our eyes can be opened to see clearly and in focus. Like the blind man who experiences a two part healing in Mark 8, our faith often progresses through stages that grow and expand. And the places where we have grown from were often necessary pieces to help bring us to where we are today.   Find the guided prayer liturgy that accompanied this sermon HERE

Jeff Lockyer is the Lead Pastor of Southridge, one of the largest churches in Canada, eh. I love the way he thinks about gaps in the church and how to close them; the way his church does many similar things to other churches their size, but the heart and motivation behind them is very different; the way he thinks about operationalizing ministry concerns and heartbeats. he is a mature and thoughtful leader and I've learned a lot from Jeff.  Find Jeff's book, Finding Our Way  And check out Leader's Village   ---------- To help support me and my work, particularly with post-evangelical churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Jared Byas is the cohost of the popular The Bible for Normal People podcast. He previously served as a pastor, but he continues the work of helping people find and save their faith by introducing them to honest engagement with the Scriptures. I loved his previous book, Love Matters More. Today we talk about his newest book, Jonah for Normal People, where he helps us see Jonah with fresh eyes while engaging in thoughtful scholarship.  -------- To help support me and my work, particularly with post-evangelical churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Angie Hong is a worship leader, writer and speaker based in Durham, NC. She is also a co-founder of Kinship Commons, creating resources to equip worship cultivators of color, which is one thing we'll discuss in this episode.  Angie and I talk about the pressure that is often put on worship leaders of color when significant events that gain national attention take place. We talk about cultivating diversity in who you're learning from, experimental liturgies and the work she's doing with the Faith and Justice Network.  Here's a few links mentioned: Angie's Linktree Angie on Instagram Kinship Commons on Instagram Faith + Justice Network ---------- This episode was sponsored by Urban Pioneer Roasters (our first episode sponsor!).  Urban Pioneer Roasters was founded by Colin Stringfellow when he was saving up to buy a ring for his soon-to-be fiance (and now wife). Mike and Allison have been buying our coffee from him for a couple of years. He's been an important part of the space for faith community and is now using his coffee roasting as a part of the way that he is caring for his family as he pursues his Ph.D.  Check out Urban Pioneer Roasters on Instagram and message Colin on there to buy a pound or more of his coffee.  ------------   Follow this link for information about the upcoming Post Evangelical Collective Gathering on October 11-12 in Denver, CO   To help support me and my work, particularly with post-evangelical churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808  

Nancy Beach and Samantha Beach Kiley share with us about their new book, Next Sunday: An Honest Dialogue About the Future of the Church. They show us what it looks like to have humility about the way we think about God and the church, being open to seeing things through others' perspectives. I think this will be an important book at opening up a cross-generational dialogue about reimaging the church for our current moment.  Next Sunday releases June 14, but we are having a giveaway on Instagram of 2 copies of the book - so head over to @mgoldsworthy to enter  

Kevin Sweeney is the co-founder and pastor of Imagine Hawaii and the author of The Making of a Mystic. We talk about what authenticity and integrity will cost you, what it is to be a mystic and the integration of those experiences into the normalcy of life,  and the process he's going through of learning to let go as Imagine moves towards its final days and he enters into a new season.  We also briefly talk about the Post Evangelical Collective Gathering for pastors, artists, and other church leaders who are reimagining the church for our current moment. Find out more about that gathering happening in Denver Oct 11-12 here

Rob Schenck is a public theologian and founder of The Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute in Washington DC. Formerly, Rob had been significantly involved in a high public platform in the Religious Right until he went through his own journey of his faith evolving.  Rob talks to us about the intersection of power and having a public faith platform, how Abigail Disney opened him up to what he calls his third conversion experience and how Dietrich Bonhoeffer saved his faith. For more info on The Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute - TDBI.org For registration to the Post Evangelical Collective Gathering, October 11-12 - LINK  

If you are a pastor, artist, or other church leader who feels connected to the post-evangelical space – which is to say that you have felt ecclesiologcally homeless in the larger church landscape. Not quite sure where you fit, but you're not ready to give up on the church and you're a part of reimagining what it looks like for our current moment.  If that's you, I'd love to have you join us and bring others from your church along with you to the Post-Evangelical Collective Gathering in Denver, October 11-12 Registration is now open HERE.  This is a gathering of pastors, artists, and other church leaders in the post-evangelical space in order to connect, share resources, learn from one another, and know that you're not alone as you seek to lead the church into new spaces. These are pastors, artists, and other leaders who find the boundaries of evangelicalism too narrow for our experience of God and its politics corrupted by an un-Christlike vision. Who seek a more just and inclusive expression of faith, but also reject the temptation to trade one exclusionary stance for another in the effort to address the need for justice and inclusion. Who believe in the importance of deconstruction, but also believe in rebuilding faith as followers of Jesus. Who see the Spirit moving through new ideas and theological visions, but who also embrace the depth and breadth of historical faith. This will be an opportunity to build relationships, learn from one another, and see the larger movement that the Spirit is stirring beyond our local context.  We wanted to continue to make this gathering as accessible as possible while also working to make it sustainable for the long term. As a result, there are several different registration options, including a group discount, buy-one-gift-one for those who are able, and a pay-what-you-can option.

Today's space for faith episode has a little bit of everything with Sean Palmer. It starts early with Sean comparing Taylor Swift with Shakespeare and quickly moves to talking about the Enneagram, cancel culture, Power over persuasion as the normal experience culturally and in the church, the church recapturing the ability to have difficult conversations together, the pragmatics of communicating to multiple enneagram numbers, and preaching and leading in post-evangelical spaces. Sean is always one of my favorite people to talk to, and I think you'll hear that as we jump from subject to subject. He's also got a new book coming out May 10 called Speaking by the Numbers, which he talks about in the second half of our interview.  Sean is an author, an enneagram theorist, a speaking coach, and a teaching pastor at Ecclesia Houston.   Speaking By the Numbers - Sean's new book seanisaacpalmer.com speakingbythenumbers.com yourpreachingcoach.com

Aaron Niequist is a liturgist, writer and pastor currently living in NYC. Having led worship at Mars Hill, and Willow Creek, Aaron has created A New Liturgy, written The Eternal Current, and leads the Pastors, Priests and Guides Retreat.   Aaron and I talk about his movement from being an evangelical megachurch worship leader to becoming more oriented towards liturgy and practice. We talk about bringing about change in churches, and worship services in particular. Building a worship service with an eye towards a formative journey. Liturgy as building a muscle of spiritual development. And moving to a place where we transcend and include our faith heritage.   Pastors, Priests and Guides Retreat A New Liturgy Eternal Current Book ----------- Save the date for the next Post Evangelical Collective a gathering for pastors, artists and church leaders October 11-12, Denver CO   Sign up for my newsletter to make sure you're receiving up to date information ----------- To help support me and my work, particularly with post-evangelical churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to:   “WE Ministries”   And mail it to:   Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Sarah is a Co-Pastor and founder of Cascade PDX. In her pastoring work, she began to discover parents who had gone through their own deconstruction process who were trying to figure out how to engage in their kid's faith development. In addition to pastoring, she began to lead cohorts for parents who are trying to figure that out.  We have a great conversation about her church in Portland and some of its uniqueness, the path of deconstruction, as well as the way that parents often react to the faith development of their kids because of their own experiences and trauma. Parenting After Deconstruction Cohorts Cascade PDX ---------------------- To help support me and my work, particularly with post-evangelical churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to: “WE Ministries” And mail it to: Mike Goldsworthy 6285 E. Spring St #474 Long Beach, CA 90808

Mathew Vines, author of God and the Gay Christian and founder of The Reformation Project joins us today. We talk about the church and why it still matters, not losing discipleship in the midst of reevaluating your beliefs, how you can hold onto a high view of Scripture while becoming affirming of Same-Sex Marriages and he tells us a little of the story of his recent engagement.  At the end of the episode Matthew shares about a new video project, The Reformation Project has put together, exploring in more depth the biblical case for LGBTQ inclusion. Find that video project HERE