No Surprises

Branding expert Ashia Amavé shares how showing up as your full, authentic self serves community.For our last episode of Season 3 — wowza! — we sit down with personal brand expert Ashia Amavé. She shares why it's important to both your career and your community to show up as your whole self and blows our minds by describing the personal brand as your story with context. We also discuss getting the most out of boring jobs (psst — networking), the way persistence pays off and the importance of merging or blending your skills, jobs and interests rather than keeping them siloed.Finally, we stand in awe as she describes repeatedly cold calling Gayle King for some face time. Spoiler: she succeeds. We're now two degrees from Oprah, folks.You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

It's hard out there for an entrepreneur — but it doesn't have to be hard and lonely. That's the perspective of our next guest, Laura Zug, who works tirelessly to help her clients strategically and organically build community. In short, she helps people find, communicate and nurture their biggest fans.In this episode, we dig into the many aspects of community building, including how community building has become the buzzword du jour and the way it requires slow and organic growth to succeed. Laura also shares her favorite communities for community builders (meta!) like Talkbase (she loves their founders, Tiffany Oda and Klara Losert) and the Communough community, started by consultant Yurii Lazaruk. Finally, Kelsey asks Laura about a rumor she heard, and Laura reveals the news. (Spoiler: It involves fellow community expert Bri Leever.)You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Valerie Gangas, author and founder of Juniper Holiday + Home on creating experiences through hospitality and community.Simply put: Valerie Gangas is a powerhouse. She owns and runs 50 — soon to be 100! — short-term rental properties through Juniper Holiday + Home, and she's also penned two amazing books on life, empowerment and spirituality. (In Deep Shift should be on everyone's nightstand.) So, we're thrilled that Val sat down with us on the latest episode of “No Surprises.” We discuss blending her love of hospitality and real estate, finding and creating moments of magic, and how watching Chip and Joanna Gaines ultimately led Valerie to start her business. She also teaches us about Culture Index and discusses the importance of bringing in specialists early in your business-building journey. Finally, after Kelsey asks the age-old question, “did it involve goats?” we learn that this animal lover once saved a deer from a fence. What can't she do?You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

The duo behind the vibrant network talks about why community matters.In this episode of No Surprises, we add to the nesting dolls of the season — the community of people who have recorded our podcast about community — with Sarah Greisdorf and Sam Zelitch. This dynamic duo helms Squarespace Circle, a network of Squarespace creatives, designers and developers, and executes the annual Circle Day conference. (Our favorite day of the year!)We discuss the beautiful ouroboros of community engagement and company success, how not to take things personally, and why it's better to have a community that's loud — and possibly upset — than one that's too quiet. We also hear the Circle Day origin story, and learn why Kelsey and Mal believe running a tech agency is like Chicago improv. Finally, we reminisce about Argo Tea shops and learn that Sam's firing may or may not have brought down the company. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

As two of our favorite Squarespace community members, we love to sit down with Will Myers and Christy Price, whether in person at Circle Day or logging on from far-off locales like Texas (Christy) and Italy (Will). Cue the wanderlust!In this edition of No Surprises, Kelsey and Mal talk to these Squarespace leaders about their individual skill sets — including design, coding, plugins and education — and why they believe in sharing them widely. We also learn about their work partnership and how they handle issues like competition and inevitable friction. (“If you don't have friction, you're doing something wrong,” says Will.)We also discuss the arrival of the new guard, the downfall of discounting, and staying nimble with the ever-evolving Squarespace platform. Plus, Christy gives a masterclass on respectful boundary setting, as Kelsey plays the role of a difficult client.(Don't forget to check out Will and Christy's own podcast, Somewhat Useful.)You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

The community engagement expert talks global giving — and taking care of yourself along the way. Kristin Lewis's career journey starts over pancakes — as many great journeys do — and follows a twist-y path to United Airlines, where as Senior Manager of Global Community Engagement and Partnership, Kristin manages the brand's non-profit portfolio, including Miles on a Mission and the Special Olympics. You know, big stuff.  In this episode, Kristin sits down with Kelsey and Mal to discuss corporate responsibility, starting with a big, overarching question: Why does United care? They also dip into the idea of everyday magic as they discuss the miracle of aviation and the brand's partnership with Sesame Workshop. (Is there anything more eternally magical than the Muppets?)She also shares her Lead with Joy philosophy and why it's important to fill yourself up to keep fighting the good fight.Finally, we learn Kelsey's next-level trick to getting out of gym class. (Do not recommend.)You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

As both Community Lead for the education platform and in his everyday life Max Pete is all about bringing people together. You know how there's that person who you keep intersecting with on your career path? For Kelsey, that's Max Pete. As two people in the Squarespace design and tech space, their work has woven along their respective journeys, connecting in part through all of the talented people they've met along the way. At long last, Kelsey and Max get to sit down — with Mal, too! — for an extended conversation. We discuss what it means to build and be part of an online community, how Max's natural gifts for bringing people together led to his business, and how the pandemic helped his business explode.We also discuss necessary and essential self-care protocols, like overcommunicating, unplugging from the internet and setting essential boundaries. Finally, we bond with Max over the way work skills spill into your personal life. Be warned: if you go out for drinks with Kelsey, you just might end up filling out a Discovery Survey.  You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Marketing guru Lindsey Pinchuk on how a community-centered approach leads to success.Community is so hot right now — but it's always been a part of Lindsey Pinchuk's ethos. From her very first business to her current work as creator of Dear FoundHer, building and cultivating community is central to everything she does. Meaning that she's a community trendsetter — in so many ways.After sitting down with Lindsey on her own podcast, we're thrilled to turn the tables and hear her story on No Surprises. She discusses creating her first business, Bump Club and Beyond, as a way to bring moms together, and how taking time to build a community that believes in you and trusts you leads to authentic, long-lasting success.We also discuss how sharing experiences — especially the shitty ones — brings people closer together, and also bond over the reality of not taking home a paycheck while building a business.Finally, we finish with a little gratitude fest — sometimes, you just can't help it.You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

The head of community and partnerships talks growth, change and connection  She's the person who brings people together for an app that's designed to bring people together — meaning that Meagan Allers is basically always thinking about community. The way it grows, contracts, changes and evolves, but how at its root it always comes back to one thing: the people in it. On the second episode of Season 3, we sit down with Meagan to talk all things Marco Polo. She shares the way that user input drove the growth of the app, the impact on different user communities, and COVID's impact on the app's popularity. (It was an absolute lockdown lifeline.) Meagan also talks about the beautiful and revolutionary culture of Marco Polo, including the company's ethos of working joyfully, and how they make money when they don't sell user data or charge mandatory subscription fees.Plus, we discuss the three TV characters we'd love to have a Polo group with. (Dream dinners are out, dream Polos are in.) Naturally, one of the Roy siblings makes an appearance. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

The founder of the Squarespace hub and SEO agency talks building and nourishing community.  “True growth comes in community, when there are people pushing you forward.” It's this quote that makes David Alex not only one of our very favorite collaborators, but the perfect guest for our first episode of No Surprises Season 3, which focuses on community. (And thanks to his SEO expertise, he's one of our most essential collaborators, too.)We launch the new season by sitting down with David — the founder of Launch Happy, a Squarespace and SEO resource hub. With his hands in so many parts of the web design experience — including building Squarespace sites, creating communities, content creation and the oh-so-essential SEO — we relish the chance to chat with David about building a business, leading a community, trusting your intuition and letting the bird fly, fly away (even when there's big money involved).David also discusses collaboration versus competition in a community, and we dig in the idea of starting before you're ready — an especially hard task when you're working with, you know, people. Welcome to Season 3!You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

In this minisode — the last episode of Season 2 — Mallory settles into the interviewer's chair, as she asks Kelsey about her book, “Squarespace from Signup to Launch,” and her new collaboration course with education platform SuperHi. Kelsey shares the book's origin story and discusses how she wrote the book she wanted to write, making deadlines, and how the process brought her back to her essential Kelsey-ness post-motherhood.Mal and Kelsey also wax poetic about the beauty of Barnes & Noble, commiserate about the problem of a one-meeting day, and spend a few quick seconds savoring the sweet, sweet sounds of Seal's “Kiss From a Rose.” Finally, the episode finishes with a pitch-perfect segue. We'll see you in Season 3!You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Sometimes, a collaboration goes beyond creative magic and into the friendship world. Take Emily Positano, for example. The Founder/CEO of Made Better Brands has become not only one of our favorite collaborators (we've created sites for her clients CoLeague and The Channeled Source) but also one of our favorite people. Seriously, folks: she's a gem.As happens with friends, this No Surprises conversation goes way too quickly. But we manage to touch on a range of topics, including the moment Emily knew she wanted to help others, the old-school tactic of leading through fear, the new-school idea of creating a space where there are no bad ideas, and her favorite creative book. Emily also shares how she started her career by wanting to be Jenna Rink in “13 Going on 30,” but ended up as “The Devil Wears Prada” — the Anne Hathaway character, of course. Unfortunately, too many of us can relate. Finally, we answer the burning question: If AI was a dinner guest, how would you react to it?You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

In this episode of “No Surprises,” our team gathers from all corners: Kelsey taps in from a Wisconsin cabin, Mal joins from Mexico City, Reyna produces from Tel Aviv, and our esteemed guest — the incredible artist Grace Miceli — comes to us from the cozy confines of their gorgeous NYC apartment (recently featured in Architectural Digest, NBD).We chat with Grace about walking the line between humor and sincerity in their work, how writing a book changes you, their leap to becoming a mental health practitioner, and the idea of letting yourself be guided by what excites you.Plus, as always, we celebrate the therapists. To quote Grace: “Does everyone know all the things you can learn in therapy?!”(Side note: Now that you're — like us — obsessed with Grace's work, you can shop their prints, stickers, hoodies and more here!)You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Marketing expert Sonia Elyss talks trends, pro tips and the joys (and occasional challenges) of online communities. In this edition of No Surprises, class is in session, as Mal and Kelsey sit down with beauty marketing consultant Sonia Elyss for a bona fide education. Sure, this beauty expert — who may have invented influencer marketing, NBD — could advise on the best color palette for your skin tone. But this schooling involves Geneva, Spate and other cutting-edge digital resources that have helped make Sonia an absolute leader in the beauty marketing arena. The trio also digs into big questions about marketing at large, including building community, the perils of monetization, what you owe your community when you share, buying patterns, and the power of reinvention.Pop in those earbuds, cue up No Surprises, and learn a few things from these three women of influence. (Not influencers. See the distinction?)You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

The communications expert talks building a team, finding balance, and the beauty of editing. You know that feeling of listening in on a conversation between friends? (We know you do.) Sit back and savor your fly-on-the-wall status in this edition of No Surprises, as Mallory and Kelsey sit down with one of their BFFs, Rachel Dickens. But this bestie also comes with some serious business chops. As the Senior Director of Corporate Affairs and Communications for Molson Coors, she handles everything from strategy to speechwriting. The trio digs into the importance of editing, pleasure versus success — can you have both? — and what makes for the silent death of a project. Of course, because it's a conversation between friends, there are plenty of laughs, a few memories, and a fair amount of gassing each other up. That's what friends do! Fair warning: you'll likely be looking at tickets to Iceland — namely the Blue Lagoon — by the end of the episode. (Just don't put your head under the water.)You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Kelsey and Mal chat about the joys, challenges, and overwhelming guilt of creative rest. Depending on your work style, the idea of taking breaks either sounds like a perfect recharge or a panicky, stress-filled nightmare. Either way, it's essential to the creative process — but the guilt doesn't have to be. In our first minisode, Kelsey and Mal sit down to talk about the importance of rest, whether it's a walk outside, a visit to a museum, or just laying down and looking at the sky. They dig into the tension between the coulds/shoulds and what brings you joy, and the idea of knowing your own cues for when it's time to take a breather. Plus, we also discover that Kelsey's dad is a pro at setting vibes through music (playlist, please?), and luxuriate in Kelsey and Mal's descriptions of a perfectly chill, relaxed day — personal chef included.When it's over, we encourage you to take a breath, close your laptop or put down your phone, and go touch moss. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Oh, Wisconsin — how do we love thee? In this episode of No Surprises, we touch down in the Badger State, as Plate Magazine Editor-in-Chief Liz Grossman bonds with Kelsey and Mallory over their University of Wisconsin ties; a deep love of classic Wisconsin supper clubs; and how the Ooni Pizza oven is central to the Wisconsin cabin experience.We also learn about Liz's rise through an ever-changing food media world and how she's morphed Plate from a recipe guide into a bona fide industry resource for chefs and restaurant owners. Finally, we talk Between Bites, Liz's philanthropic culinary reading series — including the joy of collaboration and how she and her co-founders build a space where notable chefs and food artisans can be their most creative and vulnerable. Oh, and we give you your new favorite Instagram account: @themanicurian. Scroll through while trying to get the Avocados from Mexico song out of your head. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

In this episode, we sit down with the whip-smart, visionary and delightful brains behind award-winning, DC-based creative agency Seaberry Design: founder Monica Seaberry and VP of Digital Media Adya Beasley!We cover a wide range of topics related to the creative process, including how past careers and artistic endeavors inform design work, the importance of different perspectives, the joy of getting lost in your creative process, and most importantly, how to get it back when you lose it.We also learn about the unique creative demands of DC-based clients, and hear more about Seaberry's work with storied institutions and how their boundaries and limitations often allow creativity to thrive. (Taxes, but make it fun.)Also, for creative inspo — and to see how Seaberry is making their creative mark — we highly recommend a visit to their Instagram page.Finally, we try to manifest our office space as our new podcast sponsor. Just remember: Industrious — they're the best!You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Live from New York — it's Alex Kumin and Julia Shiplett! The brilliant comediennes join us to talk about an essential part of the creative process: experimentation. Alex and Julia share their comedy journey (including The Second City and Lincoln Lodge), discuss the inception of their monthly-ish Brooklyn show, Highwaisted (the name Hags was already taken), and talk about workshopping and experimenting with a joke.We also dig into the modern pressure to be a master of all — content creator, Twitter expert, sketch writer, video producer, character actor (thanks, capitalism) — and how to tap into the zeitgeist while maintaining your own voice. Plus, Alex delivers a gut-punch of a realization: stand-up is the only art form where you fail publicly. Oof. We'll think about that the next time we're working through our own creative process. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

We kick off season 2 with our first guest — the amazing Taja Dockendorf! Taja is the perfect person to kick off this season's journey into the creative process. She's the founder/creative designer of Pulp + Wire, the host of The Brand Alchemist podcast, and a WOTW client.Aside from her creative talents, it was this Forbes article — “In Creative Life and Professional Life, Done is Better than Perfect” — that made us super fans. We sit down with Taja to talk about building an agency, knowing your five StrengthsFinder assets, the beauty of imperfection in creative work, and where AI falls short — including strategy and drawing fingers. We also discuss the beauty of Monday problems, and serve up your brand-new mantra: done is better than perfect. (Repeat five times.)Plus, we give you your new favorite procrastination method: the Vital Farms newsletter and live farm feed. You're welcome. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

A look back at the first season of No Surprises, and a look ahead at where we go nextIn our last episode of the season, we take part in one of Reyna's treasured rituals from Jewish summer camp: roses and thorns. Kelsey, Mal and Reyna each share their favorite moments from season 1 — working together! Learning! Growing! Trying things out! — as well as their biggest challenges. (Watching and listening to yourself ranks high on the list.)We also look at the origins of our marketing journey, including what sparked the idea, how we executed it, and the way Mal took a Marvel superhero-esque approach to building the strategy. Finally, we introduce season 2: the creative process! (Spoiler: lots of awesome guests.) And when you make it to the end, there's a bit of a gift with purchase situation — except it's free. We think you'll dig it.  Thanks for joining us in season 1! You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

You've heard her name, you've seen her site, and now she's here — it's Rachel Gillman Rischall of Three PR! In this latest edition of No Surprises, Rachel sits down with Kelsey and Mallory to talk about her new site and going through the WOTW process for the second time. Spoiler: enthusiasm abounds.  Conversations with great friends often bring great epiphanies, and this episode of No Surprises is no different. Rachel helps Kelsey and Mal define a large section of their client base (read: people ready to match their site with where they sit professionally), and the trio discusses how boundaries help you stay focused and driven, and the challenges of translating what's in your head to a web design team.  We also compare a new website to getting bangs, and provide a nice salve for anyone suffering from imposter syndrome.You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

We've examined a recent WOTW build from the Project Manager's point of view, and now we turn the spotlight on the developer. In this episode of No Surprises, we talk to the creative force behind the Three PR website, Hawaii-based designer Susan Lee. (The secondhand Vitamin D soothed our Midwestern souls.) As a new addition to the WOTW team, Susan built the Three PR site with Kelsey as part of her onboarding process — but that doesn't mean she sat back and watched. Find out how Susan adapted to the WOTW timeline, how she went the extra mile to help Rachel feel seen, and the small site features she implemented that made a major difference. Kelsey, Mal and Susan also discuss the the delta between your knowledge and the client's knowledge — and how that's where you strike collaborative brilliance. Finally, see why Week of the Website is best described as a “business mullet.”You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

We've spent the last few weeks digging into our company values: caring, collaboration, openness, trustworthiness and joy. But how do these values come into play during a Week of the Website project? In this episode of No Surprises, Kelsey and Mallory — or is it Mallory and Kelsey? — take a different approach, focusing more intently on a recent project. They sit down with WOTW Operations Manager and occasional Project Manager Katie Stipanovich to talk about the build for Three PR, a Chicago-based public relations company whose proprietor, Rachel Gillman Rischall, was one of WOTW ‘s first clients. (Insert teary emoji here.) Listen to learn a little more about the WOTW process from the PM point of view, including how good prep work equals developer magic, what makes good inspiration, making text-centric sites visually dynamic, and the bonus of working with repeat clients.You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

OK, maybe it's not as fun as “joy” or as intriguing as “transparency.” But clear roles and responsibilities can be the difference between the success of your team — and subsequently your company — and a “Lord of the Flies” situation that pulls everyone and everything into a chaotic mess.  In this episode of “No Surprises,” we look at the importance of roles and responsibilities within your organization. Kelsey and Mallory discuss the WOTW structure (non-hierarchy with a dash of hierarchy), the keys to avoiding organizational anarchy, the future of work — more contractors! — and share their advice for being a good leader.And if all this talk of roles has you craving some bread, we encourage you to go out and get yourself a cinnamon roll.  Click to listen to the latest episode. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

How our entire process starts and ends with this key value. Joy isn't commonly found on a list of corporate values. But at Week of the Website, it's truly the foundation of everything we do. Joy motivates us. It creates meaning. It fosters creativity with our team and our clients. And super importantly, it's the key to weathering the storms of running a small business. Basically, our entire Week of the Website process starts and ends with joy. Full stop. In this episode, Mallory, Kelsey and Reyna talk about cultivating joy within the team, the most fun part of the WOTW process, how a new site is like a sexy new haircut, and how we consider ourselves a ‘yes, and' organization. (Who doesn't love a good bit?) Plus, Reyna shares the ultimate equation: Fun Factory + Goat Rodeo = Joy. You just have to hear it. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Trustworthiness is hard to gain, easy to lose, and provides the wireframe of the WOTW process.  Clients, contractors, the community, our company, ourselves — the entire WOTW ecosystem is built on trust. That's why it was an easy inclusion when coming up with our company values. When it comes to the Week of the Website process — and all aspects of running the company — trust is everything.  In this episode of “No Surprises,” Kelsey and Mallory talk trustworthiness. They discuss cultivating relationships with clients (spoiler: they go whole hog), running the business as an open book, what they look for when hiring contractors, and why it's disrespectful to the team when you take on projects just for money.  Plus, you'll find out why we consider our 10,000 canceled projects on 99Designs (one of our lead gen platforms) as a sign that we're doing something right. You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Openness is an umbrella value for transparency, vulnerability and so much more. ‘Openness' doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. But it's a value that encompasses so much of what we believe in: transparency, vulnerability, personal connection, communication, authenticity — all things that are essential to Week of the Website. In this episode of “No Surprises,” Kelsey and Mallory open up about openness. They share advice for other business owners, why they believe in passing along the secret Squarespace sauce with clients, the beauty of being vulnerable, and the delicate alchemy of building teams. You'll also find out why Mallory is Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and Kelsey is Beaker, and hear a beautiful song/human allegory about a dump truck.You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

Building a business rooted in working with others starts with our founders.  In the spirit of collaboration, we bring our producer, Reyna Abigale Levine (and co-producer Daisy), out from behind the curtain to join us in the next episode of No Surprises. With Reyna's guidance, we dig into our next company value — collaboration. Collaboration has been a key component of WOTW since Kelsey and Mallory started working together, and whether it's working with clients, partners or team members, they've built it into the DNA of the business.  In this episode, Mal and Kelsey have their “When Harry Met Sally” moment, then talk navigating roles, keeping contractors collaborative, and their tips for being a better collaborator (pro tip: know when to hold ‘em, and know when to fold ‘em).  Click here to learn more — and to catch a cameo from Mal's dog, Dexter.You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel

The Business of Caring  Why this simple act leads our list of WOTW values.  To kick off our new podcast and video series — dubbed No Surprises — Kelsey and Mallory dig into the idea of caring. In this conversation, the WOTW co-founders talk caring for team members, the emotional lifting of site design, why moms make the best project managers, and how sometimes saying “no” to a client request is the ultimate form of care.  Listen now to understand how and why Kelsey and Mallory built a web design business with care at the core.You can find us at weekofthewebsite.comFollow us on Instagram @weekofthewebsiteWatch the full episode on our YouTube Channel