Grey Areas with Petra Bagust

In part two of my conversation with Dame Anne Salmond, we go deeper - into wānanga (the meeting of ideas), into te ao Māori (Māori worldview), and into the kind of thinking that could help us live better together. Dame Anne speaks about her decades-long relationship with her Māori mentors, Eruera and Amiria Stirling, and how those relationships rewired her understanding of the world. We talk about what it means to live in a relational way - and how te reo Māori doesn’t just name the world, it can reshape it. This kōrero makes space for where anthropology meets awe, and scholarship meets soul. We also talk about tapu and mana, and how those concepts aren’t just beautiful - they are power filled. We discuss Te Tiriti o Waitangi, not as a document of rights and rules, but as a sacred gift exchange rooted in respect. We touch on binary thinking, politics, creativity, and the purpose of universities - and why the best ideas are born in spaces where words can be blown about by the wind and shone on by the sun. This conversation is a gift. It’s a call back to care, and forward into complexity, beauty, and balance. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

In this first part of our kōrero, I sit down with Dame Anne Salmond—a thinker whose mind is vast, and whose heart is very much rooted in the soil of Aotearoa. Dame Anne is an anthropologist, writer, and one of our most decorated scholars, but what shapes her most is relationship - whakapapa, whenua, and whānau. We start where all good conversations should: at the kitchen table. Dame Anne tells me about her wild and wonderful upbringing in a family of nine kids, where dinner was frequently like a full-blown debate club, and learning happened between bites. We talk about difference - political, personal - and why being able to think, laugh and disagree together is something worth holding on to. She also shares the love story behind Waikereru, Longbush Reserve, the eco-sanctuary she and her husband Jeremy created near her childhood haunts on the outskirts of Gisbourne, and how that land became a place of healing, beauty, and belonging for them both. This part of the conversation is full of life - stories of childhood, whakapapa, parenting, joy, grief, restoration, and deep connection to place. It's the foundation for the rich ideas we explore in part two. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

In this episode I sit down with biochemist Dr Libby Weaver, a nutritionist, speaker, and author of 13 books (soon to be 14). Libby brings a holistic lens to wellbeing, combining science, nutrition, and emotional insight in a way that’s both practical and also deeply human. We explore the gap between what we know and what we do, and why that gap exists. Libby unpacks the power of belief systems – how they quietly shape our choices, our habits, and even our health. We talk about stress, sugar cravings, hormone changes, perimenopause, self-talk, and the importance of iron, all woven through with her gentle encouragement to be curious, not critical. What I loved most is Libby’s message that our bodies are not betraying us – they’re whispering to us. And if we pause to listen, we might just discover the kind of deep wisdom and clarity we’ve been hunting for in all the wrong places. This kōrero is science-meets-soul, and a gentle nudge toward greater kindness – to ourselves, and to our brilliant, hardworking bodies. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

In this episode, I sit down with Amanda Luxon. Amanda is a former teacher, Myers-Briggs coach, lifelong learner – and yes, the ‘First Lady’ of New Zealand. Our conversation isn’t about politics (though it inevitably comes up), but about difference, understanding, and friendship – because even though in many ways we’re chalk and cheese, we’ve been friends for years. We first connected over our shared passion for fighting human trafficking, but on a long summer walk earlier this year, we found language for just how differently we see the world – and how fascinating and enriching that can be. Amanda shares her deep love of the Myers-Briggs personality typing framework, which has helped her understand her own strengths as an ISTJ, and helped her see me, an ENFP, with more clarity and appreciation. There’s humour, honesty, and a whole lot of heart in this kōrero as we explore how personality differences play out in parenting, partnership, and even public life – and how making space for our differences can bring us closer. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

In this latest episode I am joined by acclaimed journalist and author Ali Mau, who’s new memoir, No Words for This, has just hit shelves. This powerful and vulnerable conversation covers Ali’s experiences with childhood sexual abuse, the life-changing phone call from her sister and her journey to speaking publicly. We also delve into complex family dynamics and the significant power of knowing you're not alone. Ali also tells us about her game-changing new charity, Tika, the twists and turns of her career, and her way of riding into a better work/life balance. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

In this episode we delve into the captivating love story of legendary actors Michael Hurst and Jennifer Ward-Leland, whose "showmance" has blossomed into a beautiful partnership spanning over four decades. Michael and Jennifer open up about their personal lives, sharing heartwarming memories (such as the excitement of buying their first Toyota), and reflecting on their rich experiences in the world of theatre. From navigating the challenges of aging and caregiving to exploring the emotional depths of performing in a play centered around dementia, this episode offers sincere insights into the power of love and art. Discover how the stage serves as a platform for empathy and community, and how the phenomenon of "Dr Theatre" can mask physical pain in the moment and provide a unique emotional release. Don't miss this heartfelt discussion as we celebrate the enduring love and theatrical collaboration between Michael and Jennifer. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

In this episode, I sit down with Raelene Castle, a trailblazer in sports management as the first female CEO of Netball New Zealand and now the CEO of Sport New Zealand and High Performance Sport New Zealand. We discuss her trajectory in the corporate and sporting worlds, her upbringing in a sport-centric family, and the importance for her of finding confidence through activity. Raelene shares her insights on the challenges women in leadership face - including the (elusive) balance of personal and professional life. She is not afraid to talk about the losses and well as the wins - as we delve into managing alopecia in a public role, responding to life not going to plan, and the profound significance of family connections. Our conversation touches upon mentorship, reverse-mentorship, inclusivity, and explores how young people can assert their voices and ambitions in today's world. Raelene is nothing short of inspiring, and I truly loved talking with her. I'm also joined by Tracy Hemingway (aka Debt Free Diva) thanks to Generate for a sponsored chat about how KiwiSaver can be an absolute game changer. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

I'm stoked to sit down with Nadia Reid, who recently released her fourth album, Enter Now Brightness. Our conversation meanders through the various stages of her life – from a futon in Auckland’s Devonport to the bustling cityscapes of Manchester, via the chill vistas of Dunedin. As we go, we look at how these places have shaped Nadia, her transformative experience of motherhood, and how the events of her life have added richness and depth to her songwriting. We also discuss the importance of wriggling out of your comfort zone, and how Nadia and her bandmates Sam, Richie, Joe, and producer Tom have embraced the uncertainties that life changes inevitably bring. Nadia’s journey is one of healing and growth, forging connections across generations, and spreading joy through music. Plus Nadia performs for us – woop!! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

What does happen when ADHD meets perimenopause? Neuropsychiatrist Dr. Greg Finucane joins us to help untangle this growing connection. Recently, I have found myself navigating the surprising emotions and 'aha!' moments that can accompany an ADHD diagnosis. It was like the jigsaw puzzle of my life found some lost pieces, giving me a clearer picture of how I fit together and fit into the world. My exploration leads us through how diagnosis can reshape family bonds and support communication, including a heartfelt conversation with my husband, reflecting on how awareness of ADHD is contributing to reforming our marriage and parenting journey. Because everyone (and every brain) is unique, there are many voices in this episode to help weave together stories that breathe life into the complex realities of ADHD, from managing in creative careers to the complexity of organisational challenges faced by those undiagnosed. Conversations with women like Abigail and Bella open windows into alternative approaches to managing symptoms, from holistic practices to embracing the gifts that ADHD brings. This episode is a rallying cry for (self) compassion and acceptance, while providing practical strategies for self-organisation. I'm convinced wāhine like you and me can rewrite negative narratives from our youth and society to uncover the possibilities of living fully and intentionally with whatever labels we choose to inhabit. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

Kia ora e hoa mā! I'm Petra Bagust and Grey Areas is back for season 7, and I have to say I'm so excited for this season. You know how sometimes you just have a good feeling about things? And look, something I've learned from our conversations is that life rarely fits into tidy boxes. It spills over the edges, it surprises us, it challenges what we thought we knew, and that's where most of the interesting kōrero happens - at the edges, down a rabbit hole, on a tangent in the 'grey areas'. And so this season, we explore more of those spaces with guests who bring music, wisdom, science, and lived experience to the table. Let me tempt you with some of our guests this season. I sit down with the extraordinary Nadia Reid. She's a singer-songwriter whose music speaks to the heart in ways that words alone never could. Sports leader Raelene Castle, who talks about high pressure leadership at times being the woman in a man's world, while dealing with very real personal challenges and still nailing it. And renowned nutritionist, Doctor Libby Weaver, who is helping reshape the way we think about nurturing our bodies and minds in a world that's constantly changing - at a time when, let's face it, we are constantly changing. We also connect with two of Aotearoa's most celebrated actors, Michael Hurst and Jennifer Ward-Leaand, as they open up about their latest stage production, a raw personal look at the realities of dementia. And we widen the lens with Dame Anne Salmond, an academic and thinker whose work challenges us to see our place in the world and in history with fresh eyes. I tackle the hot button topic of ADHD which I realise is both compelling and repelling, but this season, it's personal. There is, let's face it, no right or wrong way to navigate life's grey areas, but there is something powerful in sitting with the questions, hearing different perspectives, soaking up ideas and holding space for the messy, beautiful in between, because those can be the spaces where we begin to find our way. Join me for season 7 of Grey Areas. I can't wait to share it with you. New episodes drop every week from Thursday, March 6th, and please follow the show wherever you get your favourite podcasts, so that you'll never miss an episode. Ka kite ano, see you soon. Support the show: https://greyareas.nz/support

Join me as I sit down with the delightful Professor Bev Lawton, a trailblazing advocate for women's health, who shares her insights into menopause, cervical cancer prevention and endometriosis. From her early days as a GP in Newtown, Wellington, Bev highlights the importance of evidence-based knowledge and the need for a stronger focus on women's health. Bev brings such warmth and optimism to the topic of menopause, encouraging us to see it as a natural, manageable transition rather than a burden. She discusses her experience as a doctor and the importance of providing women with balanced information so we can make decisions that truly benefit our health and well-being. We delve into the exciting science of the HPV vaccine and how it's helping to prevent cervical and other cancers. Bev explains why accessible screening is critical, sharing the success of New Zealand's new HPV self-screening program, which empowers women to take charge of their health in a more comfortable, private and accessible way. This episode is packed with insights, laughter, and actionable advice. I hope it leaves you feeling informed and motivated to advocate for yourself and others, whether it's by understanding your own health better or supporting initiatives to close the chapter on cervical cancer. To become part of the story, head to endcervicalcancer.org.nz! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.

Fresh from a work out Dr Stacy Sims joins me for a deep dive into the specific ways women need to move our bodies as we age. A trailblazer in the science of female physiology, Stacy challenges the traditional ‘calories in, calories out' mindset – why it can be counterproductive and how popular fitness trends often ignore the distinct needs of women, especially through perimenopause and menopause! Stacy explains how our bodies change as hormone levels fluctuate in midlife, affecting everything from muscle strength to cognitive function. She shares why it's essential to focus on resistance training and high-intensity exercise to preserve muscle quality, bone health, and even brain function. We tackle the fear of ‘bulking up' with weight training, and the benefits of challenging the body with high intensity movement that promotes longevity. What I love about Stacy's approach is her emphasis on creating a sustainable, life-enhancing routine rather than a quick-fix workout regimen.  Join us as we explore practical, empowering ways to stay strong, mentally sharp, and energised – no gym membership required! Plus, Kirstien Taylor from Generate joins me to discuss financial fitness and how, just like physical movement, small steps now can pay dividends later in life. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker. Disclaimer: No part of this podcast is intended as financial advice; it is intended as general information only. For more information about the Generate KiwiSaver Scheme see their Product Disclosure Statement at generatekiwisaver.co.nz/pds. The issuer of the scheme is Generate Investment Management Limited. Past performance is not indicative of future performance.

Today I'm joined by three extraordinary and radically different women who consider each other family. Each in a different decade of life – their 50s, 60s, and 70s – Jackie Clarke, Tina Cross, and Suzanne Lynch have performed together for the past two decades as The Lady Killers, and they're still going strong. Fresh off their DIVAS! tour to sold out venues around New Zealand, we sit down to discuss music, ageing, and friendship. The stories these wāhine toa share are filled with hard-won wisdom and riotous laughter that beckons us to grab hold of every stage of life with curiosity, compassion and camaraderie whether we vote the same way or not.  Tune in as we tackle menopause, breaking down stereotypes, the perpetual pressure to present perfectly (trying saying that fast), and the vital importance of supporting one another through it all! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.

  In this episode, I sit down with psychologist, author, and menopause researcher Dr Hillary McBride to explore what it means to truly come home to our bodies - to treat them like a best friend. Hillary's work spans critical topics like trauma, eating disorders, and women's health, with a particular focus on menopause as a transformative experience. Through her books, The Wisdom of Your Body and Practices for Embodied Living, Hillary advocates for a reconnection with our bodies, inviting us to listen to, honour, and celebrate our physical selves. Using Hillary's vivid metaphor of our body as a home, we discuss the absurdity of ‘living on the front lawn' and basing our worth on this external perspective. She encourages us to find our way back inside the home and make the most of the rich experiences to be found within. Hillary champions supportive environments where women can share their experiences free from judgement - her research demonstrates the positive and practical impact of women talking about menopause with each other… this information is too good not to share - come and sit with this wise soul who loves helping women find safety and solace in our very own bodies! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.

Buckle in for an uplifting conversation filled with laughter and wisdom! Petra Bagust is the host of popular rova podcasts Grey Areas and Sunday Sanctuary, a radio personality and TV presenter, a media chaplain, mum to three young people and all-round wonderful wāhine.  In this episode, Petra shares candidly how she has approached the highs and lows of motherhood with grace for herself, and the many things she's learned along the way. With energy, wit and wisdom, she delves into the richness that can be found in relationships, the magic of her personal te reo journey, and the freedom that comes with tuning into what we place our value in, particularly as we age.  A small disclaimer, this episode contains a sprinkle of mild swearing—nothing that would make your grandma faint, but maybe cover the kids' ears if they're around.  Parents We've Met is brought to you by Parenting Place – a charity with a heart for New Zealand families. Explore our self-guided online courses and hundreds of free parenting articles and ideas HERE.  Follow us on Instagram / Facebook / YouTube 

The tide is rising toward Megan's 50th birthday, and we surf the currents of childhood memories to uncover how mermaids, like the best stories, delight us with their symbolic depth. We reflect on my relationship with my mother, navigating the murky waters between closeness and independence. Megan shares how her mother transformed into an exuberant grandmother, becoming a lighthouse guiding her toward metamorphosis despite her own unfulfilled dreams. We wade into the depths of parenting and self-love, exploring the complexities of aging amid impossible societal expectations. This episode rides the wave of generational bonds that, while often frustrating, anchor us. As our conversation ebbs and flows through themes of self-acceptance and re-enchantment, we question conventional metrics of success and the power of ‘voice' in shaping our narratives. Splashing through literature and art, we celebrate the significance of community and meaningful connections, steering us toward a more magical sense of purpose. Join us as we surf these enchanting waves together! Song Credit: Korimako, performed by Aro, written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker, published by Songbroker.

There were three things Susie Ferguson was never going to do; climb Mt Everest, run a marathon or write a book. However a serendipitous podcast interview with my good friend Frank nudged her to capture her experiences as a war correspondent, radio journalist and woman - the result is "Bloody Minded."  Susie shares her experiences of being bullied and even publicly shamed by a teacher while navigating the tricky dynamics of an all-girls school.  Her candid reflections on enduring undiagnosed endometriosis while reporting from Iraq, display her resilience and humour.  From her love story with husband Lee, to the intense bonds formed in war zones,and the challenges of transitioning into motherhood, Susie's book is moving and memorable. Join us for a heartfelt exploration of adaptability, determination, and the bonds that define our lives. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.

I sit down with the delightful Nici Wickes, a beloved cookbook author with a talent for making culinary adventures accessible and joyful, as she shares her wisdom on no-fuss cooking, building confidence in and out of the kitchen, and her latest book ‘More from A Quiet Kitchen.' We tackle body image and health, confronting societal expectations, and shifting our focus from our appearance to our wellbeing along the journey to ageing with self-acceptance. Nici also gets real about prioritising mental health as we explore themes of solitude, self-expression, and the serenity found in cooking for oneself.  Whether it's in the kitchen, navigating boundaries, or finding peace in the chaos, this conversation is a heartfelt invitation to celebrate ourselves and savour some of life's simplest pleasures. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.

Join us for the first episode of Grey Areas Season 6 as we sit down with award-winning journalist, doco-maker and loveable rogue Patrick Gower to discuss his unfiltered memoir, This Is the F#$%ing News. In this candid conversation, Paddy gets vulnerable about the toxic cocktail of alcoholism, bullying and work addiction that brought about a mental breakdown – and would ultimately lead him to embrace authenticity and give up the booze for good. Having overcome inner turmoil and his self-described “massive ego”, Paddy shares how he has turned his darkest moments into a source of purpose. His story is a testament to the power of confronting personal demons and emerging stronger on the other side. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.

Kia ora! I'm Petra, and welcome to Grey Areas, back for its sixth season. We're diving deep into the conversations that matter—those tricky, often unspoken topics that can powerfully shape our lives. Throughout this season, I sit down with incredible New Zealanders who aren't afraid to tackle the tough stuff. We explore subjects like endometriosis, our complex relationships with our bodies, singleness, loneliness, and the inner dialogue we all have—sometimes critical, sometimes empowering. I'm excited to bring you conversations with amazing guests, including journalist Paddy Gower, broadcaster Susie Ferguson, and beloved cook and author Nici Wickes.  Plus we'll look ahead to life's next chapters—beyond the hormones and emotional turbulence—asking ourselves, "What does it mean to be retirement-ready?" and "What do we want from the next season of our lives?" Because we all know it's about more than just money, (even though that helps!) This season, we're also welcoming our first international guest, Dr. Hillary McBride, who will share her wisdom on how we can reconnect with our bodies in meaningful ways. Creating Grey Areas is some of the most fulfilling work of my life, and I'm so grateful to have you on this journey with me. Together, we have the opportunity to engage in conversations that just might spark revolutionary thinking. So come, join me around this virtual campfire as we launch Season 6. New episodes drop weekly starting October 3rd on rova or wherever you get your favourite podcasts.

Getting up at stupid-o'clock every weekday morning to perform in front of the nation requires a certain type of strength and stamina. Add perimenopause to the pressure cooker of live television and you've got yourself a potent cocktail of challenges. Part of Jenny-May Clarkson's secret is the dynamic partnership she's forged with her husband Dean. In this episode they share the story of their second-chance-at-love romance, and how their differences complement each other in raising twins, working hard, and navigating major life transitions. Jenny-May also shares about receiving her moko kauae (traditional Māori tattoo), and how understanding and embracing her heritage has invited her inner critic to take a back seat. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Having children and becoming a mother is a huge part of our collective cultural script. When you're single, the question is ‘when are you going to find someone?' When you find someone, the question becomes ‘when are you having children?' So what about the many women who don't have children, either by choice, circumstance or because they're unable to? Otherhood is a newly published book of essays on being childless, childfree and child-adjacent. Lil O'Brien and Kathryn van Beek are two of the editors of this anthology, which charts the challenges, joys and griefs that being without children brings, and has also inadvertently created space and a lovely community for people who aren't mothers. Ka pai! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In a culture of unhealthy comparison and burdensome perfectionism, how do we cultivate an openness to getting it wrong? … Like, really get down and dirty with failure and understand how necessary it is for growth and basically learning anything at all. Dr Jin Russell's intimidating bio reads like the ultimate perfectionist's achievement list. She's a Consultant Developmental Paediatrician at Starship Children's Health and a researcher in public health, investigating the impact of poverty on children. She's won clinical awards, competitive research grants, has multiple degrees including a PhD, and sits on several boards. She's spoken publicly on behalf of vulnerable children. Oh, and she's a mum – no biggie. Yet in spite of her achievements and accolades, she's keenly interested in what failure can produce in us, and how to pursue excellence without being weighed down by the impossible pursuit of perfection. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The world of investing has long been dominated by men, but did you know that the women who do invest typically do better than their male counterparts? Honestly, it's never been easier with the technology now available to us, so let's figure out what positive action we can take because the good news is it's never too late to get amongst it. Victoria Harris is passionate about women taking control of their financial futures. Along with her podcast co-host, Sophie Hallwright, she founded Raising The Curve to help wāhine do just that. Later in the episode Kirstien Taylor from Generate Kiwisaver talks about the simple things that we can do now to better prepare ourselves for retirement. Check out Victoria and Sophie's podcast The Curve. Disclaimer: No part of this podcast is intended as financial advice; it is intended as general information only. For more information about the Generate KiwiSaver Scheme see their Product Disclosure Statement at generatekiwisaver.co.nz/pds. The issuer of the scheme is Generate Investment Management Limited. Past performance is not indicative of future performance. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There are moments in time where issues that have lurked in the shadows reach a tipping point and break into the public consciousness. Now is such a time for neurodiversity and ADHD. We are ready for healthier, more embracing conversations about how different brains work. TV presenter and actor Sonia Gray is on a quest to make life better for neurodiverse children and their families since her own tempestuous journey with daughter Inez. Her experiences and research has also led to discovering some of the mysteries of her own brain and how she's uniquely wired! This is personal. Sonia opens a window into the difficulty of raising neurodiverse children in a world that often doesn't value difference, and explores the pain of being misunderstood. Sonia shares her public journey as an advocate, as well as her private journey towards loving self-acceptance. For more podcasts on the topic check out Sonia's own podcast series No Such Thing As Normal, as well as the ADHD episode of Are You Mental? by Mick Andrews. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Open a refreshing window to the world of creativity with Dr. Selina Tusitala Marsh as we riff on creativity and poetry. Turns out you don't have to give it up after high school. Selina, an accomplished poet, academic, and illustrator, shares profound insights and captivating tales from her journey, which includes becoming NZ's official poet (aka Poet Laureate), an unconventional marriage break up, and being honoured as an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit. From the physicality of marathons to the tranquillity of walking, we discuss the evolution of our creative lives and the surprises ageing invites us into.  With her trademark wisdom and wit, Selina shares the transformational role of poetry in empowering Pasifika leaders and reflects on the expansive nature of creativity, such as making a cup of tea with love… does it taste any different? Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hot on the heels of launching her new book Evolving, Judy Bailey sat down with Petra to talk all things ageing. At 72 years old, Judy has a sparkle that's infectious. Her credentialed career as a journalist, along with her natural curiosity and sense of fun make her an ideal guide to navigate the landscape of ageing, and explore the latest research on how to do it well. It's exciting to hear that since leaving television, Judy is having some of the most fulfilling years of her life! Naturally, they haven't been without trials, including navigating her husband Chris's cancer diagnosis. Be encouraged by Judy's insights and enthusiasm and take meaningful action for your future now, knowing you can do it with a twinkle in your eye, throughout your golden years. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We're kicking off Season 5 with our LIVE recording of a fun and fascinating panel discussion tackling pleasure, intimacy, and love in midlife and menopause with writer Niki Bezzant and relationship coach Meg Cowan. Niki Bezzant is a trained journalist whose book This Changes Everything: the honest guide to menopause and perimenopause has, for thousands of New Zealanders, shed light on the oddly overlooked experience of women and ageing. Diving into sexuality, intimacy and desire in her upcoming book The Everything Guide Niki tackles a raft of ‘sex myths for grown-ups' and shows us we're not alone in navigating the highs and lows of our sexual journeys. Meg Cowan is a sex & relationship coach who's created The Couples Guide to Hotter Sex in 10 Days! and The Shame-free Sex Course, delivering empowering practical skills to people all around the world. Meg is pro-pleasure, practical and positive - and believes we can all find our way to magnificent sexual expression whatever our season. The night also featured a special musical appearance from Aro - the creators of the Grey Areas waiata/theme song Korimako. Catch Aro's brand new album out 19th April!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kia ora! Petra here and we're getting ready for Season 5! 5 feels like a milestone… off to school and all that, growing up literally - thanks for coming on this journey with me - hasn't it been fun and also fascinating!?!  We have built up quite the collection of stories and questions to travel with us into our next season - hopefully with more compassion, humour and  courageous can-do. Let's keep going!  Who would have thought we'd talk about vulval skin health, pelvic floors, boobs bones and all the things menopause! There is plenty left to yarn about, so many great stories to share and I hope that in sharing stories of our wonderful guests and their ‘grey areas' - you feel more at home in your own skin, head and heart. This season I'm joined by more fabulous guests including authors Judy Bailey, Niki Bezzant and Selina Tusitala Marsh, presenter Sonia Gray and sex coach Meg Cowan. We go fossicking about in experiences of perfectionism and adult diagnosis of ADHD, take personal journeys into creativity, relationship changes like separation and even ageing on purpose, as well as a particular highlight of mine - talking about pleasure, intimacy and love in mid-life with two awesome wāhine - live on stage - that's right we did a live event and I LOVED IT! So join me for Season 5 of Grey Areas with Petra Bagust! New episodes drop weekly from April 18th on rova, or wherever you get your favourite podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Film reviewer extraordinaire Kate Rodger joins Grey Areas for another laugh-filled chat about stepping outside of her ‘lane', dealing with feelings of overwhelm, and the progress she's making on her personal goals. Kate brings her trademark humour and wildly generous way with words to a conversation about new challenges, making time for what's important, and never being afraid to have a good ol' cry in the staff loos. If you want to hear more from Kate check out her earlier episode The edges of menopause from Season 2!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Iconic broadcaster Robert Rakete returns to Grey Areas, joining Petra for a candid and uplifting kōrero. Robert has been discovering more of his whakapapa as he continues to learn Te Reo Māori, and shares his love of embracing the beginner's mind, facing fears and embracing failure. Plus Robert catches Petra up on his recent prostate check-up!

Two years on from her first Grey Areas appearance, Petra catches up with journalist and TVNZ's Sunday host Miriama Kamo as she's rounded out her fifth decade. Turning 50 can invite introspection and casting new vision for your life. Miriama grabs this opportunity with both hands sharing the raft of intentions she has for this season from getting braces to studying te reo Māori. In the midst of goal-setting, Petra and Miriama reflect on how to sidestep shame and resource ourselves, even when life's not going exactly according plan. If you want to hear more of Miriama's heart and wisdom check out her and Robyn Malcolm's episode Menopause stories from Season 1!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Annie Crummer and Betty-Anne Monga along with Julia Deans and Boh Runga will be forming a powerhouse ensemble at this year's Auckland Arts Festival performance, Hear Me Roar! on March 8. Annie and Betty-Anne joined me for a korero all about creativity, collaboration and purpose. We riff on the power of music to accompany us through every season - the summers and winters of life. Music offers us a kind of hope when life gets bogged down in the grey areas and we explore how as women we can move into our own confidence and taking up space. Get your tickets to Hear Me Roar! at aaf.co.nz/event/hear-me-roar and check out the rest of the incredible events at aaf.co.nz. This bonus episode was brought to you by Auckland Arts Festival.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Add to your kete of understanding our bone health with this kōrero with Christine Gill, Executive Director of Osteoporosis New Zealand.  The life cycle of these living tissues from birth to menopause and beyond is fascinating. Christine talks us through the process of bone turnover, the often misunderstood osteoporosis, the importance of achieving maximum bone strength by age 30, and the myriad factors that can influence our bone health throughout life. The good news is that it's never too early or late to care for our bones! Resources - Bone Health New Zealand Nymbl app by ACC Home (livestronger.org.nz) This bonus episode was brought to you by ACC.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The magic of female friendships is pretty undeniable - as is the role they play in shaping us. Join us for an inspiring kōrero with long-time BFFs, broadcaster Stacey Morrison and fashion designer Kiri Nathan, who have been the epitome of friendship for over 25 years. From their first meeting at the Smoke-Free Fashion Awards to navigating marriages, children, and their respective careers, their journey is a testament to the power of enduring, intentional friendship. Stacey and Kiri also share their thoughts on the importance of boundaries with friends, and being mindful of our energy and capacity. We also discuss the challenges of being vulnerable and learning to let go of the pursuit of perfection. P.S. Stacey was a guest in Season 2 of Grey Areas - check out her kōrero too! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What does it take to become a legendary netball player? What's the journey like, and how does finding a new identity in a foreign land shape your life and an illustrious sporting career spanning over 20 years? Join me this episode for a kōrero with iconic netballer and Silver Fern, Irene Van Dyk. We hear about her experience as an immigrant athlete in New Zealand, her experience with the media, and the decisions she made around motherhood. Irene opens up about the conversation she had with Dame Noeline Taurua in the lead up to her retirement. She also has a message for all the parents of kids playing netball - tune in to hear it. Of course, we check in on how perimenopause is treating Irene and we get to hear Irene's famed laugh almost the entire conversation because oh, how we laughed!  P.S. Can't get enough? Dame Noeline Taurua was a guest on Season 03 of Grey Areas - have a listen to her episode too! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Here's something a little special - a crossover episode with Charlotte Cook of RNZ's Hair and Loathing! Join us as we embark on a head to toe exploration of our relationships with hair - both on our heads and our bodies. Charlotte and I take a visit to Stephen Marr's salon for a kōrero over haircuts, we chat at my whare, and we also catch up with a few of you out on the streets of Tāmaki Makaurau Auckland. This kōrero we deep dive into hair's cultural implications, societal double standards, and the emotional connection we have with it. We investigate different hair removal processes, reflect on our relationships with our hair, and the pressure to conform to certain beauty standards. Whether you have a full head of curls or a baby-smooth chin, this episode is a love letter to hair in all its glorious forms. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ready for a hearty conversation with a trailblazer in women's sports journalism? We welcome Suzanne McFadden, an acclaimed sports journalist who's been championing women's sports in a male-dominated field. Suzanne's grit and determination have not only helped her break barriers but also led her to establish Locker Room, a platform dedicated to showcasing women's sports. She's also a Silver Sister and you know how much we love them! We dive into the heart of Suzanne's career, discussing the evolution of women's sports coverage and the challenges she faced being the only woman in a sports newsroom, shedding light on the highs and lows of her journey.  We also hear about the support she received from her family and friends during her decade as a solo mum, her delightful love story, and discovering her Māori whakapapa. Suzanne's journey is one of resilience and I cannot wait for you to hear this one! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ever wondered if you need to see your GP because you're experiencing discomfort or itching on your vulva? You're not alone. It turns out that vulval skin conditions are incredibly common and women in Aotearoa New Zealand suffer for an average of 10 years before working up the courage to see a doctor. We've got to change that! After all, skin is skin. So let's yarn about vulval skin health. The knowledgeable Dr Harriet Kennedy (MBCHB, FRACP, FNZDS) joins us for an informative, empowering and compassionate conversation about female genital dermatology. She sheds light on common vulval skin conditions such as lichen sclerosis, the impact of menopause on vulva skin, what to expect at your appointment with your doctor, as well as treatments. We also hear from you, our Grey Areas community, and some of your personal journeys with vulva skin health. Thank you for sharing your stories with us.  Here are a few websites Dr Harriet Kennedy recommends as resources -  issvd.org/resourcesanzvs.org/patient-information/dermnetnz.org Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Family grief, the devastation of divorce, cross-generational friendships, learning Te Reo Māori and more - we talk about it all with Stuff journalist, Paula Penfold. We also discuss the challenges of the media world, the aftermath of job redundancy, and the importance of self-care in such a fast-paced profession. Paula opens up about her experience with perimenopause (and that one conversation we had about it in front of a mutual male friend), and how it ramped up her anxiety, the illusions of television glamour, and navigating self-image with age. Just some of the big stuff of life! Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's Mental Health Awareness Week here in Aotearoa New Zealand so we chat with mental health speaker and educator and Tui-award winning artist, the talented Julia Grace. In this conversation, Julia openly shares her struggles with heartbreak and its accompanying disorientation, depression, and anxiety. We chat about recognising our coping mechanisms and the importance of compassion when looking back at our lives. We also delve into dating in her 40s and of course, her perimenopause journey and fabulous silver hair! Along the way, Julia shares tips for supporting our mental health from her soon-to-be released book Be Kind to Your Mind.  Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's Mental Health Awareness Week here in Aotearoa, New Zealand and so I'd like to take the opportunity to introduce you to a podcast called A Moment With. A Moment With is hosted by my friend Gen Mora, Co-Founder and General Manager of Voices of Hope, a not-for-profit organisation aimed to break the stigma around mental illness. In this podcast, Gen sits down with incredible individuals who have faced mental health challenges, delving into their personal lived experiences. They also explore the valuable tools and lessons they have gained on their journey. Have a listen to A Moment With on rova or wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, we have a kōrero with squash champion and former Race Relations Commissioner, Dame Susan Devoy (also of Celebrity Treasure Island fame!). We discuss her fight against stereotypes, the complexities of gender dynamics, and also touch on the influence of sports as a universal language and a powerful tool for fostering greater cultural understanding. Susan is a tenacious leader! But the conversation isn't just about Susan's public life. We also explore her journey through menopause and the emotional toll it can take. We also hear about her current life phase - between jobs and looking for the next thing that will bring her joy. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our brand new season of Grey Areas! Can you believe we're already at Season 4?! And who better to kick it off with than the multi-talented, one and only Anika Moa. She's a māmā, a singer/songwriter, television presenter, radio host, all-round resilient wahine toa. Join us as we delve into Anika's world as she openly discusses her struggles with type 1 diabetes, depression, and the impact of ADHD on her relationships. From the highs and lows of managing her health conditions to her decision to step back from her breakfast radio show due to burnout, Anika's story is a testament of her resilience and unwavering belief in herself.  We share SO many laughs along the way. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kia ora. Petra Bagust here, and I have been thinking a bit about what makes up the ‘grey areas' of our lives, because I think that's a huge part of why this podcast works. To me, a ‘grey area' is a tricky space. A delicate space. A space that can bring, maybe discomfort or discouragement, or cause isolation. Maybe a 'grey area' is something that has been talked about using ‘you should' or ‘you ought' - you know, obligation language. Or it's an area that has simply not been talked about at all. And the thing is, so much of our life takes place in those ‘grey areas'... Stuff isn't clearcut and straightforward. Life is messy and fragmented and there's something kind of magical that happens when those long-held unhelpful norms and narratives are re-examined in the light of a spacious, gracious vulnerability. When we get to hear our stories - when we have the courage to say ‘this is me'... it may not be polished and presentable and perfect, but it's what I've got. And it's enough. So… with all that said, I am very happy to announce that we're about to kick off Season 4, and as always I'm joined by some wonderful human beings. This season includes Anika Moa, Dame Susan Devoy, Charlotte Cook, Kiri Nathan, Stacey Morrison, Irene van Dyk. We even chat with a specialist about skin irritations that can happen 'down there' - you know where; our vulvas. Let's talk about it. We're gonna dig deep into menopause, diabetes, heartbreak, friendship, cultural changes, body hair, and stacks of other societal ‘Grey Areas'. So join me for the joy ride that is Season 4 of Grey Areas! New episodes drop weekly from September 7th on rova, or wherever you get your favourite podcasts. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kia ora! I hope you are going well. Don't panic - Season 04 of Grey Areas is on the way (I promise!)  While we are between seasons, I want to share another episode from my other podcast, Sunday Sanctuary.  This one is called The Miracle of the Mundane and it's all about finding joy and wonder within the everyday-ness of life. If this is something you'd like to hear more of, join the Sunday Sanctuary community on Instagram at @sundaysanctuarynz, and catch a new episode every second Sunday at 7am, wherever you get your podcasts. Just search for Sunday Sanctuary with Petra Bagust. Keep an eye on this feed for Grey Areas Season 4! I'm so excited to share what we have brewing.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Join me for the final episode of Grey Areas Season 03, where I am joined by renowned actress Jennifer Ward-Lealand, as we traverse her four-decade long journey in the world of theatre, film, and TV. Jennifer shares with us how a series of epiphanies and following her heart set her firmly on her path to becoming an actor. Listen in as Jennifer takes us on her personal journey of learning and committing to using Te Reo Māori, a task she undertook after being caught off guard by a mihi on a film set. Jennifer also shares fascinating insights into her evolution as an intimacy coordinator and we discuss the importance of continued learning and embracing community.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I sat down with the incredible Lotta Dann to unpick the tangled web of our relationship with alcohol. From the tricky task of moderation to the deeper complexities of addiction, Lotta and I unshroud the often unspoken battle with the bottle. As we both navigate the challenging season of perimenopause, we reflect on the importance of mindfulness and finding the ‘sweet spot' when it comes to contentment. We explore the power of mindful drinking and setting intentions - it's not about total abstinence, but about being aware and making conscious choices and taking steps towards a more mindful way of living. Check out Living Sober at livingsober.org.nz Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Broadcaster, entertainer and my brother-from-another-mother Pio Terei joins me for a conversation about the privilege it is to age - because not everyone gets to. We talk about where he's at with his journey of grief following the loss of his son Teina in 2016, the role curiosity plays in ageing well, as well as swap stories on our intergenerational living set-ups. As serious as we tried to be, plenty of laughs were had - because how could you not when you're chatting with Pio Terei? If you're interested in more delicious kōrero I've had with Pio, check out the episode When Has Food Felt Like Love? on my other podcast Sunday Sanctuary - wherever you get your favourite podcasts. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Netball legend Dame Noeline Taurua is an absolute wahine toa. Dame Noeline's been a member of the Silver Ferns since the 90s - first as a player, then again as assistant coach and now as head coach since 2018. She is widely recognised as one of the greatest coaches of the sport. Dame Noeline joins Petra for a look back at the triumphs and tricky parts of her life and career that have brought her to this point, and what it takes to make your mark on the world. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Brazilian-born actor and playwright Tatiana Hotere joins Petra Bagust for a poignant conversation about navigating the sudden loss of her husband Jason six years ago.  Tatiana shares how debilitating her grief could be at times, a profound way she discovered to navigate those waves of grief, and the complications of grieving in community. Tatiana's play Skin Hunger was written as a way to process her grief and was performed at Auckland's Q Theatre this year. She also blogs about grief on her website Crazy Grief. For more conversation about grief, check out Season 1 of Grey Areas, where Petra speaks with Wendyl Nissen and Te Waka McLeod about the inevitable grief of losing our parents. Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.