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Thank you for supporting independent ski journalism.About CamelbackOwned by: EPR Properties, managed by Peregrine Hospitality (formerly KSL Resorts)Located in: Tannersville, PennsylvaniaYear founded: 1963Pass affiliations:* Ikon Pass: 7 days, no blackouts* Ikon Base Pass: 5 days, holiday blackoutsClosest neighboring ski areas: Shawnee Mountain (:24), Jack Frost (:26), Big Boulder (:27), Skytop Lodge (:29), Saw Creek (:37), Blue Mountain (:41), Pocono Ranchlands (:43), Montage (:44), Hideout (:51), Elk Mountain (1:05), Bear Creek (1:09), Ski Big Bear (1:16)Base elevation: 1,252 feetSummit elevation: 2,079 feetVertical drop: 827 feetSkiable Acres: 166Average annual snowfall: 50 inchesTrail count: 45, with three new trails for 2026-27 (not on the map below, but discussed on the podcast)Lift count: 12 (1 high-speed six-pack, 1 high-speed quad, 1 fixed-grip quad, 2 triples, 2 doubles, 5 carpets – view Lift Blog's inventory of Camelback's lift fleet)For reference:The Zoom transcript (click “transcript” above for the Substack transcript, then click on any text block to teleport to the associated point in the video; timestamps below DO NOT MATCH THE VIDEO)00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:37.000Stuart Winchester: Welcome to The Storm! I'm your host, Stuart Winchester. Today is Wednesday, September 16th, 2026, and I've got a really good show for you today.00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:45.000Stuart Winchester: we're going to talk some Pennsylvania skiing. And Pennsylvania skiing is a really interesting thing. As I travel around the country.00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:56.000Stuart Winchester: and ski at all these different places in the Midwest, and out West, and in New England, and in the Mid-Atlantic. Uh, and as I talk to folks who… who don't ski that much, or only ski at the big mountains.00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:05.000Stuart Winchester: I'll often bring up some experience I had at a Pennsylvania ski area. Pennsylvania has quite a few ski areas as 21.00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:20.000Stuart Winchester: public chairlift-served ski areas, and it does 2.6 million skier visits on average per year. That is more than any state except for Colorado, California, Utah, Vermont, and New York.00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:26.000Stuart Winchester: It's more than Washington, it's more than Oregon, it's more than Montana, it's more than New.00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:39.000Stuart Winchester: So, Pennsylvania is a really important ski state, which is probably why Vail Resorts owns 8 ski areas there, because it is really close to a lot of population centers. In western PA, you have Pittsburgh.00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:54.000Stuart Winchester: and Seven Springs, and Laurel, and Hidden Valley, and then you have Philadelphia on the east side, and you can also draw up from Baltimore and D.C. for Round Top and Whitetail. And uh…00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.000Stuart Winchester: And Jack Frost's Big Boulder up in the Poconos. So…00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.000Stuart Winchester: Vail has a big presence there.00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:15.000Stuart Winchester: Icon has a presence there with Camelback and Blue Mountain. Uh, and then Indy Pass just signed their 8th ski area in Pennsylvania with Spring Mountain, uh, down near Philadelphia. So, so it's, it's a place where a lot of skiers start.00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.000Stuart Winchester: And it's a little bit of a funny place to ski, because…00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:29.000Stuart Winchester: it tends to have an outsized number of novice skiers, which is great. They're very good at doing that. Uh, but it can make it a little chaotic.00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:38.000Stuart Winchester: And the lift lines can get a little crazy, and people are all over the hill, and sometimes they're walking down the hill because they're frustrated and they're giving up.00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, and…00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.000Stuart Winchester: You take that as your baseline in Pennsylvania.00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:49.000Stuart Winchester: And you had any sort of complications.00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:54.000Stuart Winchester: And things get out of hand really quickly. And in general.00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:00.000Stuart Winchester: For that reason, the ski areas that have survived in Pennsylvania.00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:07.000Stuart Winchester: are among the best operators in the world, and I would put that up against anyone.00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:14.000Stuart Winchester: It's a very, very challenging environment, not only because you have a high number of novice skiers.00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, but also because you have…00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:31.000Stuart Winchester: not a ton of snow, sometimes in the west part of the state, where there's higher elevation, they do get a lot of snow, but… but not as a rule, you couldn't count on it for natural snow. Uh, you get a lot of rain, you get a lot of warm-ups.00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:35.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, and… and you, in general, have to rely on…00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:42.000Stuart Winchester: a very short season, generally mid-December-ish to mid-March-ish.00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.000Stuart Winchester: And the skiers there…00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:52.000Stuart Winchester: They're they're accustomed to a pretty high standard, so.00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:57.000Stuart Winchester: So when things do get out of control, uh…00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:04.000Stuart Winchester: They really rebelled, and they really noticed. So, a couple years ago, this is what happened at Camelback. So, Camelback…00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.000Stuart Winchester: You know, I don't generally do ops stories, uh…00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:10.000Stuart Winchester: You know.00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:19.000Stuart Winchester: ski area didn't groom this run, or they haven't opened this lift, or, uh, you know, they usually let this bump up, but they don't, or, or…00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:27.000Stuart Winchester: you know, they… they are trying to save money, or they're being cheap. I generally don't bother with those, even though I get a lot of messages.00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:32.000Stuart Winchester: Complaining about things like that, because there's almost always a pretty good reason.00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:38.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, and it's almost always temporary, and it's really not worth the effort.00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:48.000Stuart Winchester: to write the story if I'm just writing about, you know, why Stratton or Mount Snow or Magic Mountain didn't open a certain lift on a certain day.00:07:48.000 --> 00:08:04.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, it's, it's a lot to track down and it's a lot of, uh, this person said this and the other person said that. It's just not the kind of thing that I'm want to cover with the storm, right? I want to do bigger stories. I want to do trend stories. I want to look at the culture and evolution of skiing.00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:11.000Stuart Winchester: And the passes, and all the infrastructure, and all the fun stuff. So I don't generally cover the day-to-day stuff, just because…00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:18.000Stuart Winchester: The ski areas that remain in 2026 are, for the most part, run by really good operators.00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:32.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, it… because… and they've survived. Most of the bad ski areas that were either mismanaged or were in the wrong places, they went out of business a long time ago, which is why the number of ski areas has been stable for around 25 years now in America.00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.000Stuart Winchester: So I but I started to notice.00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:45.000Stuart Winchester: several years ago that I was getting an outsized number of complaints around one ski area in particular in the Poconos.00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.000Stuart Winchester: And it was Camelback.00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:51.000Stuart Winchester: And Camelback had a long history of being an independent.00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:52.000Stuart Winchester: And…00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.000Stuart Winchester: Really…00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:59.000Stuart Winchester: the way it's been described to me by… by season pass holders, and I've skied…00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:04.000Stuart Winchester: some at Camelback, but I don't have that depth of knowledge of having grown up there.00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:20.000Stuart Winchester: That Camelback for a long time, for decades, set the standard on snowmaking, on grooming, on just general maintenance of lifts in the ski area in the Poconos. And that was why they had chosen to ski there all those years.00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:30.000Stuart Winchester: But things had started to fall apart when a new owner showed up in 2019. It was at the time KSL Capital, who was.00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:43.000Stuart Winchester: was managing it for EPR Properties, which is the entity that bought it, and they own a bunch of ski areas, EPR Properties, including a bunch owned by Vail, including North Star, and a lot of the old Peak Resorts in Ohio and such.00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:50.000Stuart Winchester: And KSL Resorts was a division of KSL Capital.00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.000Stuart Winchester: which is a part owner of Altera.00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:58.000Stuart Winchester: But for some reason, Altera, which is very good at running ski resorts.00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.000Stuart Winchester: did not…00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:15.000Stuart Winchester: get assigned as the… as the owner of Camelback. And when KSL Resorts purchased Blue Mountain, not in Ontario, the Blue Mountain in Pennsylvania, that's about 45 minutes from Camelback, two years later, in 2021.00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:26.000Stuart Winchester: That ski area also did not fall under Altera's ownership. And it was an odd choice to make, because Altera's really good at running ski areas, and they run…00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:35.000Stuart Winchester: Mammoth, and Deer Valley, and Steamboat, and Solitude, and Palisades Tahoe, and Stratton, and Sugarbush, and they definitely have.00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:41.000Stuart Winchester: the institutional knowledge and internal firepower to be able to run these ski areas in the Poconos.00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, Blue Mountain…00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:47.000Stuart Winchester: Had the benefit of a long time tenured management team.00:10:47.000 --> 00:11:02.000Stuart Winchester: That kept the place, by all accounts, running pretty well. Camelback, on the other hand, seemed to be falling apart before our eyes, and before the eyes of the loyalist skiers who loved the place so much. And they were really, really concerned, and I started to…00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:08.000Stuart Winchester: Because they had put, uh, a management team in place, it seemed.00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.000Stuart Winchester: that…00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:22.000Stuart Winchester: was not familiar with the… with the inner workings of a ski area. Uh, I… I hosted Dave Makarski, the former general manager of Kalenbach, on this podcast.00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:33.000Stuart Winchester: and very nice guy. We had a great conversation. Uh, he's not a skier. And, and, you know, sometimes you can be not a skier and run a great ski resort. Uh, look at Bill Stritzler up at Smuggler's Notch.00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:43.000Stuart Winchester: Bill hasn't skied in years, and he snowboarded for a little bit, but he's not a daily skier. Look at Shawnee.00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:54.000Stuart Winchester: that where the owner… that's one of the most modern, nice ski areas in the Poconos, uh, and the owner has not skied in decades. So, so it's not always necessary, uh, but…00:11:55.000 --> 00:12:10.000Stuart Winchester: It does help and it's certainly a benefit. So everyone I talked to, I was, I was gathering all this stuff for a story and I was gonna write about Camelback and, and it, it really seemed like it was the worst run ski area anywhere that I could find based on the amount of feedback I was getting.00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:25.000Stuart Winchester: I was gathering all this feedback from all these long-time pass holders, and then they hired a new general manager, and so I scrapped the story, but I still wanted to get it, and by all accounts, Jason Bays, who I'll bring on the podcast in a moment.00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:34.000Stuart Winchester: has really done a nice job of turning CamelBak around. So, so let's go to Jason now.00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:16.000Stuart Winchester: My guest today is the Vice President and General Manager of Camelback Ski Area in Pennsylvania.00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:26.000Stuart Winchester: Camelback runs six chairlifts, or maybe seven. I might have had a typo there. Serving 45 trails on an 827-foot vertical drop.00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:41.000Stuart Winchester: Prior to taking the top job at Camelback, he was general manager for Great Wolf Resorts around the United States. He also spent time as chief operating officer and general manager of Mountain Creek Ski Area in New Jersey and director of operations.00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:54.000Stuart Winchester: for Jay Peak, Vermont. His very first jobs as a teenager were as a lifeguard and ski instructor at Camelback. Jason Bay is my guest. Jason, welcome to the Storm. Awesome to have you. How you doing today?00:14:53.000 --> 00:15:00.000Jason Bays: Thank you, Stuart. Great to be here. I've been a listener from day one, so excited to join you.00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:14.000Stuart Winchester: I love that. I'm so hyped to hear that. I know I started with a little Northeast focus. You know, you're the… you probably know this already, but you're the second straight guest I've had on. There was a Mountain Creek alum, Chris Haggerty, on yesterday. Are you acquainted with Chris?00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:18.000Jason Bays: Yeah, Chris and I worked together, um, back in our days at Mountain Creek, great guy.00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:33.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, yeah, I'm, uh, I'm not sure, I'm sure you're aware I'm based in New York City and Mountain Creek is one of my go-tos and, and was my home mountain before I started traveling all over the place for the storm. So, so, you know, Jason, I, I think it's awesome that you grew up at Camelback. Tal.00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:41.000Stuart Winchester: your childhood Camelback. What was the kingdom of Camelback like to you, uh, when you were growing up skiing there?00:15:40.000 --> 00:16:03.000Jason Bays: Yeah, look, I, you know, took, I grew up in Pocono Kid, born and raised 10 minutes from the resort. After school ski program was the first, you know, first sort of foray into life at Camelback and was immediately hooked in the summer as a swimming pool and two water slides. I thought that was the most awesome place in the world too.00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:45.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:21.000Jason Bays: And my parents thought it was a great babysitting service, you know, relative to that. So it was just an awesome, awesome place to grow up and, you know, be part of the small but mighty ski community that is Tannersville, Pennsylvania, in this area, in the Poconos.00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:39.000Jason Bays: um, you know, when it came to get a first job, uh, there's no place I was, uh, gonna consider other than Camelback. It's where all my friends were, it's where we all hung out all the time, and, um, you know, really just got introduced to, uh, to the sport, and, um, had some freedom. It was the first time I had some freedom, and it was to be at Camelback, so that's.00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:56.000Stuart Winchester: So you worked there, and you were part of the machine, so to speak, and I realized you were sort of on the peripheral of the machine, as opposed to in the center of it, as you are now. But, you know, you grew up in the Poconos, and had that experience, and you had this vision of Camelback in your head, right? Then you went off and had a big life, as…00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:57.000Jason Bays: Yes.00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.000Stuart Winchester: as people do, and you went and worked at all these places that I just mentioned.00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.000Stuart Winchester: And then you came back to Camelback.00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.000Stuart Winchester: When you, when you arrived.00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.000Stuart Winchester: How had the place changed? And I just want to tee this up. I, you know.00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:19.000Stuart Winchester: before you came on, I was talking about how I don't generally write operations stories, right? Because it… there's usually a good reason for why a trail is closed, a lift's not running.00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:26.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, but a few years ago, I started to get an outsized number of complaints about Camelback.00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:38.000Stuart Winchester: And so I started to write a story about it, and then when you came along, I shelved it, because honestly, everyone immediately was like, oh, this is so much better. So, you know, how had…00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.000Stuart Winchester: Camelback changed.00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.000Stuart Winchester: when you…00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.000Stuart Winchester: Came back to work there.00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:51.000Stuart Winchester: And what were the challenges facing the resort? What did you focus on immediately?00:17:50.000 --> 00:18:08.000Jason Bays: Yeah, I'll just back up to say, you know, just to contextualize, um, from when I was there as a teenager and, um, through college on the ski team, too, I would say that community was a really big word, um, that was used all the time. You, you felt like it was, it was the Camelback community, and there's a really big emphasis on the ski product.00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:28.000Jason Bays: Um, as a ski instructor, like, what we were putting out, how we were doing lessons, how many lessons we could do, and the experience that was surrounding that. And same thing on the water park side. And, you know, I think the, um, you know, some of the observations, um, coming back to Camelback was, um, I think there's a little bit of focus, um, focus direction for, for, like, to focus on the ski product.00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:44.000Jason Bays: and focusing on the water park product, and I sort of look at it as, like, a… as Disney World, right? Whereas we fill out… if we do the ski part well, we do the snow tubing part well, we do the water park well, that puts heads in beds, um, versus trying to put heads in beds.00:18:44.000 --> 00:19:01.000Jason Bays: And then have them do the activities. We're leading with an activity front and centered focus. And that means making the strategic investments in the ski product, in our recreational product, and making that the very best that it can be.00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:23.000Jason Bays: back in 2008 when I was here as a teenager, that was all there was. There was no hotel product, right? So the ski product got outsized attention just naturally because it was a 560-acre resort that identified as a ski area and a water park. And I think some of the context that was missing was that while there's been a great evolution of Camelback as a four-season resort.00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:40.000Jason Bays: It's really important that, to me, that each of those business units gets the time and attention that they would deserve if they were stand-alone units, particularly because a cog… it's a cog in the wheel, and that wheel is… it's a flywheel. It needs to… it all needs to turn at once, and so we lead with.00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.000Jason Bays: the recreational offerings first.00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:48.000Stuart Winchester: You know, you mentioned the community, and I wasn't aware…00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:59.000Stuart Winchester: that there was such a strong community around Camelback, and I'm not surprised, because most ski areas have that group of folks who, you know, they're retirees, and they boot up at 8am, and they take runs together.00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:14.000Stuart Winchester: But they were really passionate, and the running theme, Jason, in the emails and messages that I got from Camelback locals was that they loved Camelback. It wasn't that they hated Camelback, they hated to complain about Camelback.00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.000Stuart Winchester: They wanted to love it, but they couldn't. There was there was.00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:34.000Stuart Winchester: a lot of things they cited, uh, not making snowmaking when it's cold, understaffed grooming, uh, missed lift inspections. I don't know if this is true. This is what people were… they were reaching, I think, for answers. Uh, put it all together, and there was… it was definitely…00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:47.000Stuart Winchester: seemed as though the ski product was not the focus. So when you came in, what did you focus on right away and say, okay, this is what we gotta change, you know, we have to cover every trail 100% right away, or whatever it was?00:20:47.000 --> 00:21:09.000Jason Bays: Yeah, I think that's, look, I would start, you hit the nail on the head that there's a very passionate skiing community here at Camelback and in the Poconos and it means a lot to people. This is second, third generations that are learning to ski here, bring their families here and be part of this. And to your point, everyone wants to be prideful of Camelback, right?00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:24.000Jason Bays: This was the, this was family run for a really long time and, you know, very focused on sort of the, you know, season pass holders renewing year after year.00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:40.000Jason Bays: You know, a couple of things. One is I think that how we authentically tell our story isn't done in a way that is, you know, is done in a way that's authentic. A, bringing back the Camelback Mountain Facebook page that communicated ski related content.00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:21:40.000 --> 00:22:06.000Jason Bays: Right? I think that, you know, there's only so many things you can say about a hotel room and how exciting it is. Like, we really lead now first with authentically telling the story. Our snow report got a lot more detailed, gave granular information as to what was going on. So, you know, did we have a perfect winter last winter? By all means, no, but we communicated that authentically. And where we messed up, we took.00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:23.000Jason Bays: the blame for it, and said, hey, we didn't get this right, and where we were working to improve the experience, we communicated that… communicated that story. So, to me, it started from a communication standpoint, that we were authentic, that we were honest, that we were truthful, and that we were communicating on a medium that.00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:31.000Jason Bays: our guests would see, um, and relate to. So I think a big miss was, I think, admittedly, a big miss was removing the, um, Camelback Mountain.00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:53.000Jason Bays: social media pages, um, and bringing those back were really important so that, um, we could tell the story authentically. I think SKUs really appreciate, um, knowing what's going on, and to your point on, hey, there's sort of this rumor flying or that rumor flying, um, you know, we were able to, uh, sort of hone in and, and tell, tell that story. Secondarily, I think from an infrastructure standpoint.00:22:53.000 --> 00:23:09.000Jason Bays: um, we really needed to make sure that we had, um, the right team in place. And we have an amazingly talented team at Camelback, um, but we did not have key positions filled, um, in certain areas. Um, and so, we bolstered up the snowmaking. Snowmaking team went from.00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.000Stuart Winchester: Like, what areas?00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:30.000Jason Bays: you know, 3 to 4 to 30, um, this past winter, um, that makes a big difference, right? Our trail rollout was, um, you know, first to open in the East, uh, for Pennsylvania, um, and, uh, um, and, and focus on the core products. Um, same thing with lift operations. We brought in a really experienced lift, uh, maintenance manager.00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:13.000Stuart Winchester: Hey!00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:14.000Stuart Winchester: Wow.00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.000Stuart Winchester: Yep.00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:46.000Jason Bays: Um, to our team that really helped, um, support our Lyft, um, uh, operation. Um, decisions on when Lyfts ran and what time they ran, uh, you know, our thought was, let's, um, be more… like, you have to run the Terrain Park Lyft every day.00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:23:46.000 --> 00:24:06.000Jason Bays: to me, that's a commitment. We make that every day. We say we're running the Glen Lift every day. It services great novice terrain. It services the train park. And so, looking at the operational plan and saying, okay, what are ways that we can give back, you know, and make deposits back to our skiers? And in turn.00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:24.000Jason Bays: that builds momentum, right? People talk, and, like, the ski community is so connected, right? It's like, if you do something, like, people find out about it, because they're really, you know, they hear about it. And so, for us, focus on the core business was, um, you know, from a ski standpoint, was really important, and the infrastructure.00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.000Stuart Winchester: Right.00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:41.000Jason Bays: to be able to do it. And I would just, lastly, just say I go back to making sure that our team had the resources to do their job. We're supported, we're empowered, collaborative leadership, you know, we sat around the table and said, this is the operating plan, this is what we're going to do for our guests.00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:46.000Jason Bays: And then go out and execute it to the best we can.00:24:45.000 --> 00:25:03.000Stuart Winchester: You know, Jason, I, I, I think you could have run for governor with one of the first things that you did, which was get rid of paid parking. I, I, I don't think that I've ever, uh, heard people happier about anything. Now, now, and let me, let me qualify this, right? I think in, in some instances, paid parking and parking reservations.00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.000Stuart Winchester: make sense.00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:18.000Stuart Winchester: you know, super high volume days. Arapahoe Basin, I think, is a model in Colorado where they only charge for certain days and certain times, and they keep backing off which days as they learn when they really need it. Camelback was charging every day.00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:36.000Stuart Winchester: All day, you know, a Monday with, you know, 10 people on the mountain, they were charging for it. And, you know, acknowledging that sometimes it's appropriate, I think Camelback got pretty out of hand with it, and when I had Mr. Markowski on the podcast, great guy, we had a great conversation, but he was not backing off that. He said, nope, paid parking.00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:51.000Stuart Winchester: we're all in. You said no. So talk about that and how you sold. I'd imagine it was a revenue stream, right? And you had to sell management on that, and I don't know if I'm giving you credit for something someone else did, but talk to us about parking and the evolution there.00:25:51.000 --> 00:26:12.000Jason Bays: Yeah, that was a week one decision from the Camelback team when I got here made from our leadership team at Camelback that everyone was in alignment on our senior leadership team here at the property and myself to remove the paid parking. And I think definitely there's actually you have so many nice pictures behind you.00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:30.000Jason Bays: I have a picture of the old paid parking sign behind me there, if you can see it on the corner, and it actually serves to me as a reminder of the guest experience, because someone's put a sticker on that paid parking sign that you probably can't see there, but it says, Ski Camelback, we're not happy until you're not happy.00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:48.000Jason Bays: Um, and it's a reminder to, to me and our team, um, that we're here to have fun, and we're here for the guest experience, and we're here to live, live and breathe fun Camelback style. This is not a, um, you know, we want guests to look forward to, to being here. And I think, you know, yes, there was.00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:26:48.000 --> 00:27:05.000Jason Bays: So obviously we ran a financial model. We didn't just, you know, get rid of paid parking and not assume, you know, that there wasn't some revenue to be recaptured elsewhere with a strategy to do it. But I think more importantly, you know, think about it.00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:22.000Jason Bays: a non-busy day, it might even be raining, it's 40 degrees, the last thing you want is someone running around a parking lot telling you, like, hey, I need you to hand over $15, and by the way, then you're gonna schlep your stuff up two different levels of parking, um, you know, that might be even charged higher, and then get to.00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:38.000Jason Bays: uh, the mountain and go to guest services. You know, I have a 3-year-old. If my wife and I went skiing, that would be an incredible amount of friction, um, just to get to, uh, the front of the mountain. And so I think putting ourselves in the guest lens of saying, is that really what we want the guests to experience?00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:53.000Jason Bays: Um, it's not, and, and it was a burden to everyone at this, you know, you think I'm talking about, we talked to frontline associates too, like, the first thing that they had to tell people was that they had to pay for parking. You just imagine, sort of, the cascading effect that, that, that, uh, that that had, and we said, look, is there.00:27:53.000 --> 00:28:09.000Jason Bays: Um, is there a better way? Um, can we run shuttles to these lots and pick people up and bring them to the mountain and make them feel, um, you know, like our valued… like our valued guests? What does that arrival experience look like? Um, you know, that's really what we… what we looked at, and then said, okay.00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:25.000Jason Bays: can we… ultimately, will we drive more volume here? Will more people come because of a better guest experience? And I'll say that I would rather grow the sport, grow the industry. Our team would rather grow the sport and grow the industry than figuring out how to.00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:35.000Jason Bays: You know, sort of, you know, run a secondary ancillary business that's not to our core product and what we want our guests to experience here.00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:48.000Stuart Winchester: You know, it's a little counterintuitive, but sometimes, by removing a revenue stream, you get that less-is-more effect. Another example, your season pass, you know, according to my records.00:28:48.000 --> 00:29:04.000Stuart Winchester: Starting in 2020 to ‘21, the season pass was $599 at its early bird price, and it hovered between that and $649 for the next five years. This year, you put it on sale for $399. It's still at that price for unlimited Camelback.00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:20.000Stuart Winchester: That's a great bargain for, uh, for a season pass on the East Coast, and, you know, for the listeners, you are competing with the Epic Pass, which has Jack Frost, Big Boulder, right down the road, a couple exits down I-80, and their Northeast season pass is pretty affordable, and it's a pretty good deal.00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:33.000Stuart Winchester: So… so talk to us about that decision and… and… and how… how that $399 is worth it. You also wrote back, if you want to talk about, uh, the… the triple pack. I thought that was great, and I don't have the price right in front of me, but… but you've really done a lot to… to…00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:39.000Stuart Winchester: create more of a value experience for that loyal Camelback skier, from my point of view.00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:55.000Jason Bays: Yeah, thank you, and that's definitely the goal. Um, you know, I think our thought process here is let's get more people on Snow, um, and have them have a great experience while they're here. Um, I would love to tell you that there's some master business plan behind this.00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:10.000Jason Bays: But, you know, truly, at the heart of what we do is, let's figure out how to get more people on snow, get them to a spot where they want to come back and learn and be part of it. And guess what I would just share to that is.00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:24.000Jason Bays: you know, we were charging a day ticket in 2025 of $169, um, at its highest point, right? And I would rather have a lifelong… I would rather have one per… I would much rather, I think from business proposition, we would rather have.00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:17.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:39.000Jason Bays: one person definitely not come and spend $15 to $40 to park and $169 and say, I'm never coming back, versus $399, now they're like, wow, this place is awesome, I'm getting a great value, I bring my family.00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.000Stuart Winchester: Damn.00:30:39.000 --> 00:31:01.000Jason Bays: I want to come enjoy food and beverage. And hey, by the way, we also have this great snow tubing park and this great water park. And would you like to stay at our hotel when you come with your season pass and enjoy Aquatopia? And we're debuting The Curse of Camelback this fall, right? Which is the Halloween, if you haven't heard, it's a Halloween 13 scare zones. Take a chair, lift up to it.00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:24.000Jason Bays: But I say all that to say we've got so many great cross marketing promotional opportunities at Camelback that that really becomes a super compelling business case for us. And I think it's the right thing to do for the sport is grow it, make it more accessible, allow more people to come here and see what we have to offer. I can't tell you how many people I meet, whether it's snow tubing, skiing.00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:41.000Jason Bays: water park, the hotel, whatever they're here for, CBKMA or Adventure Park, they have no idea that the other part exists to, um, the resort. And I'll share that that's been the case even in, like, when I was, uh, at Jay Peak running the water park.00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.000Stuart Winchester: Hmm. Okay.00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.000Jason Bays: People would come there, and they'd be like.00:31:43.000 --> 00:32:02.000Jason Bays: what is this mountain that is here? And it's Jay Peak, like, one of the most hardcore ski resorts in the world. And there were people that were coming there and were like, I had no idea there was a ski resort here. So, if it's true at Jay Peak, it certainly is true at Camelback, where.00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.000Stuart Winchester: Right.00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, thank you.00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.000Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, okay.00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:19.000Jason Bays: we have all these different offerings that people don't know about, maybe necessarily about all of them, so our fundamental business philosophy is make it accessible, make them lifelong, um, skiers and riders, and introduce them to everything that we have to offer here in the Poconos. And I would just argue, when I say Poconos.00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:41.000Jason Bays: Like go, like experience Shawnee and experience Jack Frost Big Boulder and experience, you know, the other great ski areas in this region and Mountain Creek and wherever else and get a flavor for it. I think that's, we could use more skiers in the industry and to grow the sport. So for us, that's sort of the long-term business model that we're using.00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:58.000Stuart Winchester: So, I just looked at the triple ticket, and it looks like $149, and I think that's no blackouts. $199 includes rentals. That's pretty amazing. So, talk about that product, and then you mentioned the $169 peak day ticket. Have you settled on prices yet for 2020?00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:03.000Stuart Winchester: 6, 27. I should have checked your site in advance, but I didn't. So I don't know if you've.00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:21.000Jason Bays: Yeah, we have not, uh, posted, uh, day ticket prices for this year. Last year, um, we didn't exceed around $110, um, on a day ticket. Uh, so we kept it, I think, pretty reasonable for, for, for a, for a Pocono offering. Um, triple tickets, massive, um, success, uh, for us.00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, okay.00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, yeah.00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:37.000Jason Bays: Um, and when we talk about, like, again, getting more people introduced to the sport, you don't necessarily pick up skiing on the first time. Um, you think about that rental product, which we, um, tremendously… whatever we had on the pro forma for that was, uh, blown by by, like.00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:53.000Jason Bays: 400% on the triple ticket with rentals. And what I really believe in is that, you know, you become a lifelong skier by getting repetition, not by going once a year. It's really hard to sustain as a skier going once a year.00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah. Okay.00:33:53.000 --> 00:34:11.000Jason Bays: and saying, oh yeah, that was our trip. We're really trying to create a guest for life and get them to return visit. That's in many ways more important to us than, again, trying to get, like, the highest yield on that one day that they picked. Like, come back and visit our resort and, um, you know, again, the business side to this is.00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:28.000Jason Bays: we're cross-marketing across all of our other offerings here that we have on this campus to say, come and visit us again. And again, to us, that's more important than, you know, the highest yield that we can get to. So the triple ticket's really successful. And I think one last thing I would share.00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:46.000Jason Bays: a lot of season passes in the market right now, um, the triple ticket's a great opportunity for people to get a couple of days at Camelback, even if they've committed somewhere else, and particularly, you know, our long season, um, there's plenty of time to use it, um, as well, uh, from the, uh, long season that we established from last year.00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.000Stuart Winchester: Jason, I think that's a really smart way to look at it as…00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:57.000Stuart Winchester: a… creating a habit rather than pulling as much yield as possible. And a lot of the larger operators.00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:11.000Stuart Winchester: get frustrated with me and the rest of the ski media because they don't understand why we focus on that peak price, right? Because the peak lift ticket this year at Beaver Creek is $392, set to be. Probably almost no one will pay that price, but…00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:28.000Stuart Winchester: What it does is it acts as a, a billboard for the rest of the ski industry and especially so, so Camelback for, for people who don't know when you're driving on I 80 I mean, you see it, it looms right over the highway. It is one of the major interstates in America, especially at night. The thing is lit up.00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:46.000Stuart Winchester: And so, chances are, if people think about skiing, and they think about where to go, they're gonna think about the most obvious one, and that's Camelback, and that's why, for many years, it was that, or Seven Springs was the busiest ski area in Pennsylvania, traditionally. So I think that's a really smart way to look at it, because if people show up that one time, and.00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:59.000Stuart Winchester: cost them, you know, $500 for 2 people, they're just not gonna come back, and they're not gonna try Shawnee, or… or Blue Mountain, or Jack Frost, or Elk Mountain, or Montage. So, um, I wanna talk about… Jason, I wanna talk about Lyft.00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:16.000Stuart Winchester: And… can you see this trail map? This is an old trail map. I mentioned that I know this, so for those watching on StormSkiing.com or YouTube, you can see this. So there's been a ton of changes, and I want to break all these down with you. The first I want to talk about is, over the past couple years.00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:32.000Stuart Winchester: Mark Antony and Cleopatra, these two lifts right here, an old triple and an old double, have been removed. Can you talk about why you took those lifts out of service, and if you plan to replace them with anything, or what you planned, or what the rationale was behind it?00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:49.000Jason Bays: Yeah, I appreciate that. Uh, that does predate my time here, that they had reached the end of their, um, uh, ability to operate. Um, and so they have, um, both been, um, sort of partially disassembled. Um, there is unfortunately not.00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:36:49.000 --> 00:37:05.000Jason Bays: I, by the way, two of my favorite lifts when I was a ski instructor, because you could get right up and not wait in long lines on the weekends, so absolutely realizing and recognizing the capacity that they brought, but no opportunity for us to.00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:02.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:23.000Jason Bays: um, reinstate those lifts as presently, um, as presently, uh, uh, sort of, um, situated, um, and, and not, not, not able to, uh, um, not able to, uh, rerun them. It will require a, um, new, uh, chairlift to, um, to ultimately replace.00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:37.000Jason Bays: those two lifts. It saddens me to share that, but that is, in fact, what has happened there, and I've been very open with our season pass holders about that messaging and the why behind it.00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.000Stuart Winchester: So, so in fantasy ski resort world, Jason.00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:46.000Stuart Winchester: Would you put a new lift here, and what would you put, if you could?00:37:45.000 --> 00:38:04.000Jason Bays: Yeah, absolutely. Um, same thing. We've, uh, we've made clear, uh, with no time, no official time frame to share, um, but certainly, uh, we've, we've, um, had, uh, preliminary conversations, um, about a fixed grip, um, quad that would, uh, would be able to take the place of both of those lifts, uh, and create that.00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:10.000Jason Bays: original redundancy that those two lifts brought to the resort when they were in operation.00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:27.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, that would be really nice. So, so, so these are gone and I, I have a, a current trail map now. So, um, and, and it's not completely current. We'll discuss the new trails in a moment, but this is the most current posted on your website. So, uh, we go over, these are the lifts that remain and see, uh, yeah, I, I miscounted in my intro, so sorry about that.00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:42.000Stuart Winchester: So this one is Stevenson, and Stevenson was, uh, it's a high-speed quad, uh, for the listeners, and it… it was a real junker. It was always stop, stop, stop, and, you know, it was… it was really… seemed to be falling apart and have a lot of issues. Now, uh, in 2020…00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:51.000Stuart Winchester: 5, this year, or 2024, I believe, Camelback, uh, McCarthy, the GM at the time, sent out a letter saying it was due for a…00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.000Stuart Winchester: Waltz.00:38:53.000 --> 00:39:02.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, let me see what he said… like, a complete modernization of Stevenson. So, so did that happen? And talk to us about Stevenson, and what kind of shape it's in right now.00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:20.000Jason Bays: Yeah, great, um, yes, that was a, uh, look, an amazing, um, project that was completed by, uh, by Dave and team, um, to modernize that lift. Um, it has, essentially, Doppelmayr came in and put in an entire new, uh, minus the, uh, minus the, uh, uh, the terminals and the.00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:35.000Jason Bays: Um, uh, and the structure itself, um, essentially all new components, all new electrical, um, uh, wiring components to it, a lot of the things that had plagued it. Um, and last year, uh, it operated 138 days.00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.000Stuart Winchester: Unbelievable.00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:53.000Jason Bays: Uh, which for Pennsylvania, uh, that's pretty darn good. I think we recognize it's a workhorse, um, it's key to accessing some really, um, fantastic terrain for us, um, and that modernization project with Doppel… in, um, partnership with Doppelmeyer that was done in the summer and fall of 2025.00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:39:53.000 --> 00:40:08.000Jason Bays: um, was, uh, very, uh, so it's all immediate impact, um, with, uh, Stevenson Reliability this past year, and we expect that to, uh, you know, knock on wood, to, uh, to continue going forward. We essentially, again, have a brand new lift, minus the, uh.00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.000Jason Bays: Uh, minus the physical pieces.00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:26.000Stuart Winchester: That's a really smart way to do it because they are tremendously expensive, these new lifts. And for folks who are watching or listening, this Stevenson is really important because you walk out of this giant hotel that's right here, that's not on the trail map with 400 and some rooms, and that is how you get up the mountain. Otherwise you got to.00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:41.000Stuart Winchester: pull your way over, so when that lift is not running or has problems, it's a real big issue. So, the alternative was, over here, Black Bear 6, uh, you replaced an old high-speed quad that was there, and… and I love this Black Bear 6 lift. It is…00:40:41.000 --> 00:41:01.000Stuart Winchester: Freakin' Ferrari, man. I think the price they gave me was something like $12 million that they spent, or maybe it was $10 to put that in. So that's the alternative, right? If you don't just modernize that current lift, you replace it. So, uh, Black Bear is awesome. I love it. It has bubbles. Is it too much? I mean, I know that KSL Now Peregrine had reasons for.00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:16.000Stuart Winchester: for putting it in, but what have you learned from a couple of years of having BlackBerry around, which is, again, probably the nicest lift in the state of Pennsylvania and one of the nicest in the Northeast, but maybe a little heavier than what you need for CamelBak, but I don't know, you tell me.00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:41.000Jason Bays: Yeah, you know, you know what I would share to that, um, you know, we, we brought it back for scenic chairlift rides this summer, and I mean, it's a massive hit. The summer, summer guests love, uh, the bubbles, they put them down when it's sunny, they put them down, um, probably gets more use in the summer as a bubble lift than the winter, uh, but look, it's, it's nice to, uh, have on the days where, you know, there's some liquid precipitation out here. It certainly happens in the Poconos.00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.000Stuart Winchester: Hmm.00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:58.000Jason Bays: um, and, uh, and, and or, um, uh, you know, other, other weather events, it's, it's, it's a nice to have, um, and it certainly, it gets you up in, you know, a little bit over two minutes. Um, it's a smooth ride, it's a great ride. Um, you are not going to get any complaints from me that we have a, um.00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.000Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:11.000Jason Bays: bubble, D-line, six-pack, um, in place, uh, and able to operate as our main workhorse lift. Um, and, uh, I think the six-pack versus the quad was absolutely the right, uh, call. Um…00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:27.000Jason Bays: from my experience being here before with the Sullivan Express, um, with the four-seater, the six-seater, just the… the added, uh, ability, uh, there is, uh, is… is well worth it. So, uh, we're happy to have that… happy to have that lift. I… I wouldn't, uh… I wouldn't…00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.000Jason Bays: We won't be trading it in at this point. Let's put it that way.00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:38.000Stuart Winchester: It is a gorgeous machine, and I have to tell you, I'm that weird person who, if there's a line on one lift.00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:56.000Stuart Winchester: And no line on the lift next to it. Even if it's a slower lift, I'll take the slower lift, because I just would rather not deal with the hassle of the line. So right here, for those who are watching, is the Bailey Double, and this is an old chair lift. It's an old slow double, it runs almost exactly parallel to Black Bear 6, doesn't land quite as high.00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:16.000Stuart Winchester: on the mountain, but functionally, it does about the same thing for you. So I like Bailey, and I was glad to see that not only did you keep it, and it does run, and that was true even under the previous regime, but you got a new gearbox for it, which is a really big deal for a lift like this in several decades. Also, talk about the work you've done on Bailey, and how you hope to use that lift.00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.000Stuart Winchester: this year to complement Black Bear.00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.000Jason Bays: Yeah, so, um, Bailey Lift…00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:32.000Jason Bays: full disclosure, Bailey Lift, Meadows Lift, Raceway Lift, and our season pass holders are very aware of this. Um, unfortunately, uh, we're not, um…00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:41.000Jason Bays: ready for day one of last year, um, or even close. And so, uh, we had to do a lot of, um…00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:57.000Jason Bays: normal PM maintenance, um, throughout the, um, end of fall and into winter to have all of them operational. Um, what I share to that is, um, we will run, just level set here really quickly, we will run all the lifts that we have on this trail map.00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.000Jason Bays: Um, and take care of them, maintain them, operate them.00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:18.000Jason Bays: Staff them, everything that you would do to run the extra capacity, we certainly need it. We'd like more capacity, actually. So that being said, Bailey Lift is critical. We got it back online.00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah. Okay.00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:34.000Jason Bays: End of January, it ran for 2 or 3 weekends, and we had a failed gearbox, um, on it, which is really unfortunate. Um, this off-season, uh, we've replaced the gearbox, we've done a full PM over the course of the summer on it, which is…00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:50.000Jason Bays: the, as you, as everyone knows, the ideal time, uh, to be, um, conducting such work, um, so that it is ready on, uh, day one. Um, it is a critical backup lift. We will run it every weekend.00:44:50.000 --> 00:45:07.000Jason Bays: Um, that we're, you know, in season, I would say in the heart of season, we're gonna run it. Won't be shy to not run it. Um, same thing with the Meadows, same thing with the Glen, same thing with the Raceway, which, um, you know, I know that that was, um, certainly chief among the complaints of.00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:22.000Jason Bays: locals and guests who were visiting from out of town alike was Lyft availability, Lyft reliability. That was something that we focused as fast as we could on last year, but we're setting ourselves up this year to be.00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:39.000Jason Bays: um, very proactive to that, and recognizing the importance of, of each of, uh, uh, you know, each of these. And look, every once in a while, uh, if the, you always want to have, like, Bailey is critical because it's the only other, if there's Black Bear, without Black Bear, it's the only other thing left, right?00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:55.000Jason Bays: Um, and so, uh, you know, I think the, you know, back in the, when I was here, like, every Lyft ran on the weekends. It was Camelback. Um, it was busy, right? Like, everything was going. That's, that's essentially our, our, our philosophy, um, will continue to be our philosophy going forward.00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:11.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, Jason, I'll admit, I didn't come to Camelback last season, so I wasn't able to experience it firsthand. I really wanted to come to your May thing, which I'll talk about, I'll get to in a minute, but I had a shoulder surgery, so I wasn't able to do that. But I wasn't only basing my perceptions of C.00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:19.000Stuart Winchester: on locals' reactions. I had skied there myself in recent years, and the lift line management, I have to say.00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.000Stuart Winchester: It was…00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:33.000Stuart Winchester: really frustrating from a skier point of view, when you're waiting for the Stevenson lift, and there's a big line, and every chair is going up with one or two people, and this is not peak COVID or anything else, this is several years later.00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:50.000Stuart Winchester: So, you know, and I had a lot of locals tell me, oh, we walk up Sun Bowl because the lift line is just too chaotic. People come from both sides. No, no, again, that was all before. What's your philosophy of lift line management? How have you tried to tame that? And there's always, it's always going to be a little wild and hard in Pennsylvan.00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:56.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, but they could definitely have been managed better. Is that something that was important to you, that you focused on?00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:15.000Jason Bays: Yeah, we focused on that. We have a new lift operations manager that was hired in November of 2025, who took the bull by the horns. We developed a supervisor team in fairly short order to that as well, to build out a well-rounded team. And then I would just share that our lift attendants.00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:32.000Jason Bays: All hired locally within the community. And I think that we were fully staffed in LiftOps this year, which was a big, very big win. It starts there, right? A, the people, and then B, the right people.00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:49.000Jason Bays: um, on the, uh, on the bus, um, as a catalyst to drive, uh, lift operations forward. Um, and then absolutely, uh, we focused on, uh, line management, queuing, um, we set new, in some cases, new queues. We had, um, uh, supervisors, in many cases, out.00:47:49.000 --> 00:48:04.000Jason Bays: um, putting up chairs, um, and, um, and managing the lift line. We added, once we got that right, and we felt like we were in a good spot, and we, you know, look, I think, admittedly, a couple technology hiccups here and there, it was not a perfect, uh.00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:17.000Jason Bays: we didn't, like, on opening day, it wasn't perfect, but, uh, we improved, it was a big focus for our team, and I think when we talk about fundamental ski operation, um, if we just were a ski area, we would absolutely be focusing on.00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:36.000Jason Bays: lift queuing, but we have to do that, like, we have to execute that every day because we are a ski area, um, and that's core to our business, and so that's important. Um, then we added, once we got queuing, uh, uh, correct, we added surprise and delights. Lift, uh, chocolate chip cookies were massively popular.00:48:36.000 --> 00:49:04.000Jason Bays: We handed out over 15,000 chocolate chip cookies this winter at the Stevenson lift line. And so, you know, then it becomes fun, right? Then it's the hospitality side of the business of how do we engage with our guests now that we have full chairs going up for the most part off of the Stevenson and the Black Bear and the Sun Bowl. So we hired extra associates to do that, to surprise and delight, to help our guests.00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.000Stuart Winchester: Cool.00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:20.000Jason Bays: The one other thing I would just share is Sunbowl is a great example. How many people get down to the Sunbowl and have never ridden a lift before? And so you need that extra human touch to be able to help. It's not even just putting people in groups of four. It's just helping them with like, here's where you go to load the lift. Here's what you do.00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.000Stuart Winchester: Yep.00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:33.000Jason Bays: Um, I think that that investment in our people to provide that service to our guests is very well worth it, and it's the difference between someone having a bad experience getting on a lift and never coming back.00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:43.000Jason Bays: or having a great experience, feeling well cared for, and wanting to try again. Um, and so that, that, that was, um, you know, I think that's a core, um, focus for us.00:49:43.000 --> 00:50:02.000Stuart Winchester: So, one of the ways that I can tell the resort is being run by a skier, in addition to all the things you just said, and your passion for the minutiae of things like lift lines, which I share, is that you're cutting 3 new trails in a resort that's 60 years old, and I love that. So, talk us through these trails, Jason. I'll do my best to trace them.00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:08.000Stuart Winchester: on the trail map. I don't have the updated trail map, I don't know if you've created it yet, but talk us through these three trails.00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:25.000Jason Bays: Yeah, so we're really excited. Look, this, you know, came after, you know, the so many guests, new guests that visited us at Camelback this past season. We said, you know what, let's do something fun and exciting. And like, you know, you think about how.00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:43.000Jason Bays: Um, yeah, I just, you know, if someone said, anyone puts in a new trail, uh, the skier in me wants to drive to that resort, no matter how big or small, and be like, alright, like, let's do it. Um, and our team feels, uh, you know, much of the same way. So, um, that being said, uh, we had a lot of natural snowfall this year, so…00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:33.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, sure. Yeah.00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:59.000Jason Bays: I was acutely paying attention to where people were skiing when we had natural snowfall, where they wanted to go, and then, you know, maybe following those lines, too, and seeing what the fun was about. So, my point to all of that is, we said, let's create some, and I think for Camelback, too.00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.000Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:15.000Jason Bays: it's very, um, you know, we wanted to create something that was sort of unique. I didn't want to just put in, like, regular trails that, A, we don't have a lot of space for regular trails, and B, um, we really wanted to create sort of unique experience. So, right underneath Black Bear, um, in between Sullivan and John Bailey there.00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:30.000Jason Bays: um, there's a, um, there's a chute, um, where the old Alpine Slide used to go. Basculus goes back into Rocket, uh, but underneath there is some really fun rolling terrain. Like, it's, it's because the mountain, the, uh, Alpine Slide.00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, thank you.00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:54.000Jason Bays: back in the day did had several dips and curves and so we're going to lean into those dips and curves and create something sort of fun that you can get some you know launch some airtime off of if you want or carve a turn over it but it'll have some some really nice terrain variation in a way that most trails at Camelback don't have and they're coming off of an expert trail there so.00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:06.000Jason Bays: um, gives, uh, you know, anyone skiing Asp, Hump, Rocket, um, or Basilisk would be able to reach that trail, um, and, uh, and be able to, uh, just have a little bit more excitement on the way back down.00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.000Jason Bays: Um…00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:20.000Jason Bays: Upper Cleopatra there, if you go to the, uh, where the U is, uh, or where Upper is, we're gonna cut a trail through the woods there that's going to end up on the bottom of Big Pocono.00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:31.000Jason Bays: Um, so it's gonna go down and across. So, um, that… um, and I see where your cursor is. If you go to the… where it says Upper on Upper Cleopatra.00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.000Stuart Winchester: So, like, here? Or…00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, upper…00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:54.000Jason Bays: So, Big Pocono, that's Uncle B. Yeah, right there. Yep, we're going through there. Yeah, so that's gonna be, that's a narrow blue square. So, you know, I think one of the things that's fun for us is we're gonna create a blue square there. That used to be a trail back in the 60s and 70s, fun fact, when Walter Foger was designing Camelback.00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.000Stuart Winchester: Upper… oh, this one. Okay, so you're cutting through here?00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, cool. Okay.00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, cool.00:52:54.000 --> 00:53:09.000Jason Bays: Um, that being said, um, the… actually, it got filled in with pine trees, so it's gonna be really cool, because there's pine trees on both sides. Um, we made it narrow, so we kept the pine trees, um, and so that's gonna be a really fun, um, sort of narrow… I think about, like, the, um.00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:03.000Stuart Winchester: That's cool. It's pretty.00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:26.000Jason Bays: the ending of Jay Peak with some of the blues at the very bottom there by Interstate. We're trying to sort of have that, obviously in a much smaller zone, have that same effect, though, where you're feeling like you're really in the trees, and you've got some nice twists and turns to it. It's not terribly steep.00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, okay.00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:44.000Jason Bays: Um, two things on that trail. One is, it takes traffic off of Honeymoon Lane, which is a main boulevard, it pushes it onto the Sphinx, which has much more trail capacity, which is great, um, comfortable carrying capacity, and secondarily, um, on weekends, we're gonna have a hot chocolate, um, hut that people can ski up to.00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:32.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:52.000Jason Bays: Um, and get shots of hot chocolate, um, as well, so we're excited to, um, uh, to offer that to our guests. We think that'll be really fun.00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.000Stuart Winchester: That's cool.00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.000Stuart Winchester: That was awesome.00:53:53.000 --> 00:54:17.000Jason Bays: And then the Stevenson, it's going to drop on the cliffhanger side and drop down that lift line and go right down into the Faroe there and follow that lift line. Vermont skiing in a very short array but very much Vermont skiing, that's an intimidating drop. Stevenson for those that may not be familiar has a extremely.00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.000Stuart Winchester: And it.00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, I think so.00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:34.000Jason Bays: extremely tight, um, and high, uh, crest of the lift, because the mountain crests, um, really steeply. Well, we're gonna ski that, um, and, uh, and make snow on it, and, uh, and, and, uh, and allow our guests to, uh, um, and allow skiers to, uh, to, to, to test, um, you know, a more narrow.00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:44.000Jason Bays: um, uh, trail up there that has a really great expansive view ov

Brother Nick looks at 2 Corinthians 3 and challenges us to behold the glory and sufficiency of Christ.

Fred from the Subarctic Alaska Sasquatch channel returns with two unsettling “hairy man” encounters from the Alaska wilderness, separated by more than three decades but carrying some striking similarities.The first comes from Doug, a retired guide pilot who recalls a hunting trip roughly 35 years ago near Bear Creek in the Rampart Mountains. After one of his clients spotted what appeared to be a dead bear below a ridge, the couple insisted on hiking in for photographs. What they found instead was a strong, overpowering odor, signs that something large had been lying in the brush, and eventually a massive, dark-faced, long-haired humanoid crouched below them.When the woman accidentally dropped her camera toward the creature, it responded by throwing a rock back in their direction before disappearing through the terrain.The encounter did not end there. As the terrified couple rushed back toward Doug's Piper Cub, the creature reportedly reappeared near the aircraft and was seen running alongside the plane as Doug accelerated for takeoff. By the time they were airborne, the couple wanted nothing more to do with the hunt and demanded to leave Alaska altogether.Fred then shares a much more recent account from Krista and Mike, who were e-biking along the Denali Highway near Cantwell and the Montague Flats when the atmosphere around them suddenly changed. Both began feeling as though they were being watched before spotting a large, grizzled figure covered in reddish-brown and gray hair standing in the brush. The figure grunted, moved toward them, and appeared to pursue them as they rode away.Farther down the trail, they saw it again crossing ahead of them and watching from a distance. Then came the sound neither of them could easily explain: a powerful rising scream they compared to an air-raid siren echoing across the Alaska backcountry.Two encounters. Two generations of witnesses. And two stories from some of the most remote country in North America where something large, intelligent, and very much alive may still be moving through the wilderness.SubArctic Alaska Sasquatch YouTube ChannelEmail BrianJoin Our FREE NewsletterGet Brian's Books Leave Us A VoicemailVisit Our WebsiteBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sasquatch-odyssey--4839697/support.Have you had a Bigfoot encounter, Sasquatch sighting, Dogman experience, or other cryptid or paranormal encounter? We'd love to hear your story. Email brian@paranormalworldproductions.com to be featured on a future episode of Sasquatch Odyssey.Sasquatch Odyssey is a leading Bigfoot and cryptid podcast exploring real encounters, field research, and scientific analysis of the Sasquatch phenomenon.Follow the show and turn on automatic downloads so you never miss an episode.

Brother Nick looks in First Corinthians today and shares ways believers can serve the Lord in the local church body.

It's our first Bear Creek Folk Fest, and we recorded an episode! We go to Grande Prairie and take you through our weekend, give you some tips, and we have live music from The Trews, Alex Cuba, Gwenifer Raymond, Tennille Townes, The Milk Carton Kids, & more! I Love This You Should Too is hosted by Samantha and Indy Randhawa The Bear Creek Folk Music Festival is a family friendly event that takes place annually on Borstad Hill in Muskoseepi Park, in the heart of Grande Prairie. The fest features 4 stages with over 30 provincial, national, and international touring artists performing from a wide range of genres, including country, Celtic, blues, gospel, Americana, bluegrass, world music, contemporary and traditional folk, rock, and many things in between.

Brother Nick continues in the book of 2 Corinthians asking how your life smells to God and others. Let the aroma of Christ saturate you.

Brother Nick begins a new study from the book of 2 Corinthians and also gives a challenge to all the students and teachers returning to school this year.

In this episode, Frank sits down with Sarah Haas, owner of the newly reopened Bear Creek Cafe, to discuss the recent reopening after her parents ran it from 1997–2023. Sarah shares her background growing up in Bear Creek as the oldest of 10, working in the cafe, homeschooling experiences, years in St. Louis, raising four children (including an adopted daughter from Ethiopia), and earning degrees in English and theology with plans for hospital chaplaincy that shifted due to timing and family needs. She explains how community encouragement helped the process, describes the historic building and decor, outlines menu staples and new items, expanded espresso drinks, and future ideas like Sunday brunch and evening community events, and details permitting challenges and strong local support.To learn more about The Bear Creek Cafe, visit their Facebook and website.If you or someone you know wants to be featured on our podcast, visit our website! 

Bear Creek Sports and Entertainment set to host best-of-the-best in fast-pitch softball as the ISC World Tournament comes to Chippewas of the Thames First Nation. Tournament Director Ray Pavey joined Mike Stubbs to talk about the event which runs August 8-15.

Brother Nick shares a history of Paul's writings before he begins a new study from second Corinthians.

Over the course of a few days, a gang war erupts on the fictional Thunderstone reservation in the new film, “Gangland”. Officer Teddy Sharpe (Lou Diamond Phillips) and his trainee must navigate a community affected by a dark secret. The new film features several talented Native actors including Lane Factor (Caddo), Elisha Pratt (Cheyenne and Arapaho), Irene Bedard (Iñupiaq, Yup'ik and Cree), and more. The famed children's series “Little House on the Prairie” gets a new screen adaptation for Netflix. The original books the show is based on faced criticism for perpetuating racist stereotypes. Now, the new TV series includes consultation with Osage citizens. We'll also remember the late Seminole and Cherokee actor Randolph Mantooth, best known as the lead of the hit 1970s television show “Emergency!” Mantooth died on July 9. GUESTS Lou Diamond Phillips, actor and star of “Gangland” Julie O'Keefe (Osage), cultural consultant for “Little House on the Prairie” Robert Allen Warrior (Osage), Hall Distinguished Professor of American Literature and Culture at the University of Kansas and consultant for “Little House on the Prairie” Monte Fronk (Red Lake Nation), tribal emergency responder with the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe and friend of Randolph Mantooth Tonya Mantooth (Seminole and Cherokee), CEO and artistic director of the San Diego International Film Festival and sister to Randolph Mantooth Break 1 Music: Wahzhazhe (song) Scott George (artist) Killers of the Flower Moon Soundtrack (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold Little House on the Prairie. (L to R) Alice Halsey as Laura Ingalls, Wren Zhawenim Gotts as Good Eagle in episode 107 of Little House on the Prairie. Cr. Eric Zachanowich/Netflix © 2026

Over the course of a few days, a gang war erupts on the fictional Thunderstone reservation in the new film, “Gangland”. Officer Teddy Sharpe (Lou Diamond Phillips) and his trainee must navigate a community affected by a dark secret. The new film features several talented Native actors including Lane Factor (Caddo), Elisha Pratt (Cheyenne and Arapaho), Irene Bedard (Iñupiaq, Yup'ik and Cree), and more. The famed children's series “Little House on the Prairie” gets a new screen adaptation for Netflix. The original books the show is based on faced criticism for perpetuating racist stereotypes. Now, the new TV series includes consultation with Osage citizens. We'll also remember the late Seminole and Cherokee actor Randolph Mantooth, best known as the lead of the hit 1970s television show “Emergency!” Mantooth died on July 9. GUESTS Lou Diamond Phillips, actor and star of “Gangland” Julie O'Keefe (Osage), cultural consultant for “Little House on the Prairie” Robert Allen Warrior (Osage), Hall Distinguished Professor of American Literature and Culture at the University of Kansas and consultant for “Little House on the Prairie” Monte Fronk (Red Lake Nation), tribal emergency responder with the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe and friend of Randolph Mantooth Tonya Mantooth (Seminole and Cherokee), CEO and artistic director of the San Diego International Film Festival and sister to Randolph Mantooth Break 1 Music: Wahzhazhe (song) Scott George (artist) Killers of the Flower Moon Soundtrack (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold Little House on the Prairie. (L to R) Alice Halsey as Laura Ingalls, Wren Zhawenim Gotts as Good Eagle in episode 107 of Little House on the Prairie. Cr. Eric Zachanowich/Netflix © 2026

Renowned chef Nephi Craig (White Mountain Apache, Navajo) admits he hid his alcoholism fairly well as he was making a name for himself as a Native chef throughout the 2000s. His memoir, “Our Knives Will Save Us: Dispatches from a White Mountain Apache Chef“, details his arduous recovery and how food and the kitchen helped him figure out his purpose and path to healing. In the debut children’s novel by Christine Hartman Derr (Cherokee), “Raven, Rising“, baking was a favorite pastime for a young Cherokee girl until she is struck with sadness and anxiety at the thought of baking and the smell of ingredients like cinnamon, bread, and chocolate. She learns to cope with loss and works to make her way back to the kitchen. Chef Candace Stock (Ho-Chunk) is the executive chef of Salt + Scoria, a restaurant in the new Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library in North Dakota. We'll talk with her about bringing Indigenous ingredients and flavors to the menu. Break 1 Music: With My Son (song) Vincent Craig (artist) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

Renowned chef Nephi Craig (White Mountain Apache, Navajo) admits he hid his alcoholism fairly well as he was making a name for himself as a Native chef throughout the 2000s. His memoir, “Our Knives Will Save Us: Dispatches from a White Mountain Apache Chef“, details his arduous recovery and how food and the kitchen helped him figure out his purpose and path to healing. In the debut children’s novel by Christine Hartman Derr (Cherokee), “Raven, Rising“, baking was a favorite pastime for a young Cherokee girl until she is struck with sadness and anxiety at the thought of baking and the smell of ingredients like cinnamon, bread, and chocolate. She learns to cope with loss and works to make her way back to the kitchen. Chef Candace Stock (Ho-Chunk) is the executive chef of Salt + Scoria, a restaurant in the new Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library in North Dakota. We'll talk with her about bringing Indigenous ingredients and flavors to the menu. Break 1 Music: With My Son (song) Vincent Craig (artist) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

A bill making its way through Congress offers new hope for five Native communities in Southeast Alaska to secure their own land for the first time. For more than 50 years following the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA), the five tribes left out of the pivotal agreement that fundamentally changed tribal governance and land ownership in the state have been working to secure their homelands. Tribal leaders celebrated as the bill cleared the U.S. House of Representatives. But it’s not without opposition; environmental groups and others worry the land transfer will turn over vast expanses of pristine old growth wilderness to a for-profit corporation intent on maximizing financial returns through extensive timber harvests and mining. We'll hear about what this latest policy momentum accomplishes and discuss how we got here. GUESTS Cecilia Tavoliero (Tlingit), president of the Southeast Alaska Landless Corporation Nicole Hallingstad (Tlingit), Alaska Natives Without Land representative of Petersburg Sandy Churchill (Tlingit), vice president of the Wrangell Cooperative Association Albert Rinehart (Tlingit), tribal administrator for Wrangell Cooperative Association Break 1 Music: Kunax yak'ei gayshagook (song) Khu.éex' (artist) Siy​á​adlan (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

A bill making its way through Congress offers new hope for five Native communities in Southeast Alaska to secure their own land for the first time. For more than 50 years following the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA), the five tribes left out of the pivotal agreement that fundamentally changed tribal governance and land ownership in the state have been working to secure their homelands. Tribal leaders celebrated as the bill cleared the U.S. House of Representatives. But it’s not without opposition; environmental groups and others worry the land transfer will turn over vast expanses of pristine old growth wilderness to a for-profit corporation intent on maximizing financial returns through extensive timber harvests and mining. We'll hear about what this latest policy momentum accomplishes and discuss how we got here. GUESTS Cecilia Tavoliero (Tlingit), president of the Southeast Alaska Landless Corporation Nicole Hallingstad (Tlingit), Alaska Natives Without Land representative of Petersburg Sandy Churchill (Tlingit), vice president of the Wrangell Cooperative Association Albert Rinehart (Tlingit), tribal administrator for Wrangell Cooperative Association Break 1 Music: Kunax yak'ei gayshagook (song) Khu.éex' (artist) Siy​á​adlan (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

A coalition of rural Alaska Native villages is launching an initiative to boost veterinary care as a way to improve public health. They aim to cut down on the increasing number of feral dogs that pose a risk to residents by offering better spay and neuter services. They also hope a vaccination program can lower the spread of rabies. Alaska Native Rural Veterinary Inc. and the Alaska Federation of Natives are moving ahead after federal legislation stalled in Congress. We’ll talk with those called to bring veterinary care to rural communities — with or without government support — to keep animals and people safe. Robert Mirabel in the film. “Road to Everywhere.” (Photo: courtesy Driven To Films) We also talk with acclaimed musician and actor Robert Mirabal about his role in the movie, “Road to Everywhere“. Mirabal is performing at a screening of the film in Albuquerque, N.M. GUESTS Mike Williams Sr. (Yupiaq), tribal chief of the Akiak Native Community Adrianna Nicolay (Diné), volunteer with Rez Vet Angie Fitch, executive director and co-founder of Alaska Native Rural Veterinary Inc. Robert Mirabal (Taos Pueblo), musician and actor Break 1 Music: Raising Goats Song [Skip Dance Song] (song) Sweethearts of Navajoland (artist) From the Heart of Diné Nation Traditional Songs of the Navajo (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

A coalition of rural Alaska Native villages is launching an initiative to boost veterinary care as a way to improve public health. They aim to cut down on the increasing number of feral dogs that pose a risk to residents by offering better spay and neuter services. They also hope a vaccination program can lower the spread of rabies. Alaska Native Rural Veterinary Inc. and the Alaska Federation of Natives are moving ahead after federal legislation stalled in Congress. We’ll talk with those called to bring veterinary care to rural communities — with or without government support — to keep animals and people safe. Robert Mirabel in the film. “Road to Everywhere.” (Photo: courtesy Driven To Films) We also talk with acclaimed musician and actor Robert Mirabal about his role in the movie, “Road to Everywhere“. Mirabal is performing at a screening of the film in Albuquerque, N.M. GUESTS Mike Williams Sr. (Yupiaq), tribal chief of the Akiak Native Community Adrianna Nicolay (Diné), volunteer with Rez Vet Angie Fitch, executive director and co-founder of Alaska Native Rural Veterinary Inc. Robert Mirabal (Taos Pueblo), musician and actor Break 1 Music: Raising Goats Song [Skip Dance Song] (song) Sweethearts of Navajoland (artist) From the Heart of Diné Nation Traditional Songs of the Navajo (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

Longtime Phoenix-based professional strongman Jerry Pritchett (Chickasaw) isn't ready to retire just yet. For now, his focus is on his son, Bubba, who at 15 years old, recently locked out a 615-pound deadlift at a competition. Pritchett is a veteran strongman and powerlifter who was named America's Strongest Man in 2017 and was later named a World's Strongest Man finalist. Other Native strongmen who have earned professional titles like Pritchett is Harold “Iron Bear” Collins (Lumbee). Collins was a popular competitor in the 1990s who broke six Guinness World Records, one for pulling a 50,433-pound semitruck and flatbed trailer 160 feet in 44 seconds. In Canada, Colten Sloan (Whitefish Lake First Nation) is working hard to join the ranks of these strongmen. In 2021, he became the first Indigenous man in Canada to earn a pro card in the sport and has since competed around the world. GUESTS Jerry Pritchett (Chickasaw), professional strongman Colten Sloan (Whitefish Lake First Nation), professional strongman Harold “Iron Bear” Collins (Lumbee), retired professional strongman Break 1 Music: Bad Dude (song) Joe H Henry (artist) Real Things (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

Longtime Phoenix-based professional strongman Jerry Pritchett (Chickasaw) isn't ready to retire just yet. For now, his focus is on his son, Bubba, who at 15 years old, recently locked out a 615-pound deadlift at a competition. Pritchett is a veteran strongman and powerlifter who was named America's Strongest Man in 2017 and was later named a World's Strongest Man finalist. Other Native strongmen who have earned professional titles like Pritchett is Harold “Iron Bear” Collins (Lumbee). Collins was a popular competitor in the 1990s who broke six Guinness World Records, one for pulling a 50,433-pound semitruck and flatbed trailer 160 feet in 44 seconds. In Canada, Colten Sloan (Whitefish Lake First Nation) is working hard to join the ranks of these strongmen. In 2021, he became the first Indigenous man in Canada to earn a pro card in the sport and has since competed around the world. GUESTS Jerry Pritchett (Chickasaw), professional strongman Colten Sloan (Whitefish Lake First Nation), professional strongman Harold “Iron Bear” Collins (Lumbee), retired professional strongman Break 1 Music: Bad Dude (song) Joe H Henry (artist) Real Things (album) Break 2 Music: Show the People (song) Bear Creek (artist) On The Move – Powwow Songs Recorded Live at Apache Gold

Brother Nick comes to the close of the book of James and shares about those who may wander away and how we should encourage them to return.

We're heading to the Bear Creek Folk Festival for the first time! To prepare we are listening to some music from our most anticipated acts like; Tenille Townes, Fred Penner, Locarno, The Milk Carton Kids, & more!  I Love This You Should Too is hosted by Samantha and Indy Randhawa Our Bear Creek Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6PQ2Yu0mhGfzdIdJHCLwAg?si=PFo22pNYQoSJmhFxM13Fkw The Bear Creek Folk Music Festival takes place annually on Borstad Hill in Muskoseepi Park, in the heart of Grande Prairie. The fest features 4 stages with over 30 provincial, national, and international touring artists performing from a wide range of genres, including country, Celtic, blues, gospel, Americana, bluegrass, world music, contemporary and traditional folk, rock, and many things in between.

Brother Nick shares from chapter 5, verses 16-18 what prayer really looks like.

The TeeBox 7-11-26 Rick, Craig and Eli Broadcast From Bear Creek GC and Discuss Craig's Latest House Issue and Preview the Open Championship

Brother Nick shares from James about what to do when we are suffering.

Every soybean grower knows about low market prices. If you're a farmer sitting on the Wisconsin Soybean Marketing Board, those challenges turn into difficult decisions about where to invest checkoff dollars for the future. Pam Jahnke sits down with WI Soybean Marketing Board Vice President, Matt Wagenson. Wagenson farms near Bear Creek, managing just over 1,000 crop acres plus a beef operation. Now in his 12th year serving as a board member for Wisconsin soybean growers, Wagenson says he's got a more complete picture on how checkoff invested dollars are repaying growers today. It takes time, and that's one thing he stresses when talking with other growers. "The most exciting things I've seen in the past two years for us, other than research, is what Delong's doing in Milwaukee," Wagenson says. "Getting the Great Lakes going. Start cranking stuff out of the Great Lakes out of the St. Lawrence Seaway." Wagenson says Wisconsin soybeans can now get to Africa and the EU faster than almost any state. That's one of the stories he shares when growers ask about where their investments are going. Wagenson says while the WI Soybean Marketing Board cannot invest in physical structures, they can support generating information that helps companies and businesses make decisions about those investment. Find out more about how your soybean checkoff dollars are being spent in Wisconsin!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Brother Nick shares about the Importance of living a life of absolute integrity.

Brother Nick continues in the book of James, chapter five and challenges us to be still and wait on the Lord.

Brother Nick shares a Father's Day message beginning from Joshua 1:18 and  various other scriptures.

This interview with Mary Jo Lewis and Kylee Taylor from Bear Creek Nature Center was recorded on March 5, 2026. In this episode, we talk about Bear Creek Nature Center's upcoming anniversary, its history, and the value its community partners bring. For more information about Bear Creek Nature Center and its programs, please visit https://parks.elpasoco.com/el-paso-county-nature-centers/bear-creek-nature-center/ Beyond the Dais aims to bring you stories about people making a difference in El Paso County, Colorado. If you have a story you want to share or know someone you feel should be highlighted, please email EPCPIO@elpasoco.com. If you are interested in hearing more of these stories, feel free to browse previous episodes or stay tuned for future editions of this podcast.

Bob sits down with Mary-Jo Lewis and Kylee Taylor from El Paso County (CO ) Parks Departments Bear Creek Nature Center to talk about the nature center's 50th anniversary. Bear Creek Nature Center was the first nature center in Colorado, and originated as a simple pavillion where the current building now stands. They discuss how the current building literally rose from the ashes, the history of the nature center, the many programs it provides and many of the innovative services it provides to visitors and the community and more. The center will be celebrating its anniversary with an event on August 22nd. Bear Creek Nature Center 50th Anniversary website: https://www.elpasoco.com/bcnc50/ Please consider becoming a patron of this podcast! Visit: https://www.patreon.com/hikingbob for more information Hiking Bob website: https://www.HikingBob.com Wild Westendorf website: https://wildwestendorf.com/ Where to listen, download and subscribe to this podcast: https://pod.link/outdoorswithhikingbob

Episode 53: Honoring the Land and Building the Future: A Conversation Around CDFI's  We took Aunties on Air to the big stage for our first-ever LIVE podcast recording! Auntie Lisa sat down in front of a crowd of over 300 incredible people at the Oweesta Convening for an unforgettable conversation with Hope Huskey and James Francis. But we didn't stop there. Auntie Lisa also caught up with folks throughout the convening to dive into their backgrounds, their impactful work with CDFIs, and what it was like experiencing Wabanaki territory (many for the very first time!). Thank you to Oweesta for hosting us, and to everyone who sat down to share their story! Be sure to tune in this week, you won't want to miss it!  Wabanaki Words Used: Apc-oc (again in the future, parting, good-bye, farewell) - https://pmportal.org/dictionary/apc-oc   Topics Discussed:   Oweesta - https://www.oweesta.org/ Cross Insurance Center - https://www.crossinsurancecenter.com/ Chrystel Cornelius - https://www.oweesta.org/about_oweesta/our-team/chrystel-cornelius/ Cherokee Nation - https://www.cherokee.org/ Oneida Nation - https://oneida-nsn.gov/ Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa - https://tmchippewa.com/ Ojibwe - https://ojibwe.net/ MMIW - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_and_Murdered_Indigenous_Women Cherokee, North Carolina - https://visitcherokeenc.com/ Authentically Cherokee - https://authenticallycherokee.com/ Sequoyah Fund - https://www.sequoyahfund.org/ University of Maine - https://umaine.edu/ Gerald Sherman - https://www.indigenousimpact.co/gerald-sherman Pine Ridge, South Dakota - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge,_South_Dakota Bearcreek, Montana - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearcreek,_Montana O'ahu, Hawaii - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%CA%BBahu Hawaiian Monk Seal story - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/27/igor-lytvynchuk-rock-hawaiian-monk-seal Jason “Firefly” Brown - https://www.fireflythehybrid.com/about Turtle Island Community Capital - https://turtleislandcommunitycapital.org/ Wisconsin Native Loan Fund - https://www.winlf.org/ Menominee Nation - https://www.menominee-nsn.gov/ Crafts from the Bay - https://www.facebook.com/p/Crafts-From-The-Bay-100068095383910/ Sokolaponsis Designs - https://sokolaponsisdesigns.com/ Spruce Root - https://spruceroot.org/ Prince Edward Island - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Island Woliwon Vendors:   Sokolaponsis Designs - sokolaponsisdesigns@gmail.com - sokolaponsisdesigns.com – Sokolaponsis Designs Wiphulakson - Wiphulakson  Wooden Way Creations - woodenwaycreations@outlook.com - Woodenwaycreations.com End of The Trail Studio - cmanderson1996@gmail.com - Maliseet Inspired Native Artwork | End of the Trail Sandra's baskets & more - sandrapictou@hotmail.com Bonnie's Native Jewelry - mbonnie5658@gmail.com - Facebook Dina & Co. - Dina.an.company@gmail.com - Facebook People of the Dawn Apothecary - podawnapothecary@gmail.com Lone Bear's Arts - info@lonebearsarts.com - Lone Bear's Arts Crafts From the Bay - belinda.miliano@yahoo.com - Facebook Mac King - kenzie.k.king00@gmail.com - Instagram Penawapskewi Designs - Home | Penawapskewi Designs   Wabanaki Tribal Nations: Houlton Band of Maliseet Houlton Band of Maliseet Indians | Littleton, ME (maliseets.net) Mi'kmaq Mi'kmaq Nation | Presque Isle, ME (micmac-nsn.gov) Passamaquoddy Tribe Indian Township Passamaquoddy Tribe @ Indian Township | Peskotomuhkati Motahkomikuk Passamaquoddy Tribe Sipayik Sipayik Tribal Government – Sipayik (wabanaki.com) Penobscot Nation Penobscot Nation | Departments & Info | Indian Island, Maine   Special Thanks/Woliwon:  Guest: Hope Huskey, James Francis, Various Guests Producer: Gavin Allen Podcast Team: Macy Downs

Brother Nick shares what the Bible has to say about our perspective on money.

Gang Stalking is just an individual leg of the greater body that is the spiritual war. This story is about an individual who contacted Smoking Owl Tales... with a story about a series of diving assignments. I can only write about one assingment at a time.. so here it is. She didn't end the criminal actiivty.. but she made them uneasy. It was her watching them.. and them watching her. Everybody was fake nice.. but they were just gathering intel, and seeing what she knows. She did provoke them, and they did not like being provoked or watched... because they had a lot to hide.(All names have been changed for the sake of privacy.) A Divine Assignment: Reveal The Gang Stalkers & Car Thief Gang Final Part of the 2 Part Series. Everybody Knows What's Going On NowIn this part 2 the heat raises until I have to flee Bear Creek... I made a wrong move and told a spy or gang stalker my actual plans. Even with some wrong moves, my assignment there was completed. I get an sms with a simple note letting me know all I need to know that the job is done.

Brother Nick looks at chapter four and three cautions or warnings that we all need to hear.

Brother Nick starts with James chapter 4 verses 11-12 and then looks at several other scriptures about the words we say.

How can we make good of AI - philosophical blablabla at Bear creek

Brother Nick looks at James chapter 4, verses 5-10 and challenges us to have clean hands and a pure heart and the need to humble ourselves in the sight of God.

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Brother Nick looks at James chapter four and how we should set our affection on things above and not on the world.

00:00:00:14 - 00:00:14:01 Unknown Gentlemen. I'm not supposed to be here. 00:00:14:04 - 00:00:31:21 Unknown This is a close call. Welcome to Close Course, presented by Pins and Aces, where the mic is open and the drinks are cold. This is the spot where golf meets good company athletes, artists, reality stars, and the pros who live on the greens. From tee boxes to tour busses, from green rooms to greens. We're asking the questions you won't hear anywhere else. 00:00:31:23 - 00:00:44:14 Unknown We talk sports. We talk life. We talk everything in between. No scorecards, no pressure, just good vibes and stories that will make you laugh, think and maybe even grab your clubs. So let's tee it up and let it fly. 00:00:44:16 - 00:01:05:07 Unknown Hello everyone and welcome back to your favorite golf podcast, Close Course, presented by Pins and Aces. I'm your host. Play Corson here with my co-host, as usual, Eric, Nick and Liam. And before we get into it guys, we got some exciting news regarding Closed Course the podcast. We are now partnering with Guerilla Sports. You guys, you're going to see us everywhere. 00:01:05:08 - 00:01:19:29 Unknown They're an incredible con, some new content, some new clips. We're just leveling up. We're leveling up and we want to hear a lot of what you guys want to hear to. We want more of what you guys want to see more of what you want to hear, more guests you want to hear from. But we're excited. We're excited to partner with Girls sports. 00:01:19:29 - 00:01:35:21 Unknown Going to be something big for close cause yeah, it's really good. And you know, we've talked about it for a while. It's like, hey, how do we level up close course, how do we pump out more content? And now we've got the professionals behind it, you know. So yeah it's great. I'm really looking forward to it. It's exciting. 00:01:35:21 - 00:01:50:20 Unknown It's funny thinking about it like two years ago when the podcast was like me, you, John, would like talk about conspiracies every week. Yeah. Like we would film it with like one camera. Then it got better with you guys and Evan. Then we got three cameras set up. But yeah, now with them, I think it's going to be even more legit. 00:01:50:21 - 00:02:05:09 Unknown Yeah. Next level. Exactly. I'm excited. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's exactly what we've we've been the rebrand, if you will. Seven months. Five months. Yeah. Yeah five months. So no I'm excited because like like I said, I think the more content the better. I know people want to see a lot more from us and hear a lot more from us. 00:02:05:09 - 00:02:21:22 Unknown So. So yeah. And grow the sports. They're just a national media and production company based out here in Colorado. So it's local, which we love that we love that they're known for their high level content, athlete access and building shows that actually move online. So you're going to be seeing that you're going to see a lot of collaborations with girls sports moving forward. 00:02:21:23 - 00:02:43:10 Unknown The show is going to stay the same. Show is going to stay the same, you know, but it's still going to be us talking golf and interviewing celebrities. And I think it's cool because we're still in the same studio at our HQ, and these guys brought the professionals to us and got the new camera set up, you know, all these different things to elevate it, but keep it still in our studio here at HC. 00:02:43:10 - 00:03:00:04 Unknown So that's pretty nice. Yeah, I'm really excited guys. And leave the show and go back to work. Exactly. Yeah. People forget we got the day jobs. We were still run a company pens. And I honestly forget that sometimes. Yeah that's right. Yeah. Blake's like, can you guys make it there? It's like, yeah, we'll be here, man. It's Monday at 1:00. 00:03:00:05 - 00:03:13:25 Unknown It's so true. We'll definitely be here. Well, I don't think we've had a catch up since the Masters. I think the last time we talked, just us was. Yeah. Pretty master. Yeah, it's been a minute. We've had a lot going on. Yeah. Really busy voice right now. Yeah. If you can't tell, I've had a hell of an April man. 00:03:13:25 - 00:03:29:26 Unknown I've had a hell of an April. I did Coachella for seven days because I went to four days, Coachella, three days in LA, and then back for one day when Savannah, Georgia, for three days back for one day. Went to Stagecoach for five days. Now I'm back for one day. I go to Nashville for six days. So it's been a hell of a month. 00:03:29:26 - 00:03:51:24 Unknown It's been a hell of a month, but it's just thinking about to be back, man. Yeah, it's been a lot. I mean, that's that's a lot. So when you're at Coachella, I mean, I don't really know what it's like a music festival and there's different people. I saw this, like Instagram graphic that was like Coachella lost money in his first year, you know, and the guy put all this money into it and sold his house and you know, or whatever to, to fund it. 00:03:51:24 - 00:04:06:19 Unknown But what is Coachella like? Yeah. Where is what is it? It's funny you say that because I saw that too. And I was like, you know, I've never done research on Coachella. Like, how did it start? Would it begin in 1994? The the founder of what is now Goldenvoice that runs Coachella, Stagecoach and a bunch of other events. 00:04:06:24 - 00:04:25:08 Unknown He's all over the world. He had this back then. There was no music festivals like it wasn't a thing. So he was one of the first ones to do it. And so he created this music festival and everybody thought it was going to fail. They were like, this is ridiculous. But he was like, he had the idea of instead of getting one massive headliner, you get a bunch of smaller ones where people don't come for one person, they come for the entire lineup. 00:04:25:08 - 00:04:45:19 Unknown And that's like a revolutionary thing. But the first year got his ass kicked, lost $800,000, sold, is sold his house, lost everything, sold his car, started to build it up again. And then Woodstock 99 happened and scared everybody away from music festival because I was such a shit show. That was Limp Bizkit. Yeah, Limp Bizkit and corn. And it was like crazy, you know? 00:04:45:20 - 00:05:04:22 Unknown It was like, yeah, all the crazy, like it was horrible. So brands backed away and they were like, we're not touching music vessel. So then he lost everything again. Lost his house, lost his car, lost his wife. But he didn't give up. And he stayed on it and he slowly built it. And then I think he said in like 0304 he got Rage Against the Machines as a headliner and sold like, you know, 50,000 tickets. 00:05:04:22 - 00:05:23:13 Unknown And then from there, this last weekend was the biggest two weeks. So it's over two weekends, same lineup every day for two weeks. Well, the weekends. And he made $200 million in 14 days. What is it like? My buddy goes to this thing where they camp out in a desert, Burning man. Is it like that? Like, where is Coachella? 00:05:23:13 - 00:05:50:20 Unknown Where is it at? It is a desert. It is in the desert, but it is stage. And like people are just on the lawn. They camp out there still. And what do you do? There's like what, three know. There's big stages and then a bunch of little like activations I think Coachella. So there's 200 artists. It's massive. What Coachella I want to say there's yeah there's actually I think there's now like three main stages at Coachella and like 5 or 6 small stages and then like a whole bunch of even smaller like stages that you play like activation brands and things like that. 00:05:50:20 - 00:06:09:00 Unknown And it's I will say it's turned into it's more you go for the party now. Still there are still people go for the music. Don't get me wrong. And it's one of the most beautiful, well put together, cleanest festival you'll ever be. It's never art. It is. Yes, they have art installations. It's very California, you know. Where is it? 00:06:09:02 - 00:06:27:01 Unknown So it's in desert. Yeah. So palm flying to Palm Springs, and then you drive into Indio, India. Indio. And it's just a big open field, basically open. It's an old polo club that they turn into. Where do you stay there like hotel. So that's the hardest part. That is the hardest part. So you can camp but it's obscene like we're talking just for there was. 00:06:27:02 - 00:06:44:21 Unknown I remember we were looking because this year was crazy with Bieber like ticket. We broke all the records, tickets, price, everything. He broke everything. Merch. He sold like $7 million worth of merch the Friday before his show. The first weekend. Just alone. Just insane stuff. A we were looking online because we wanted to get our own place because we were bringing the kiddo. 00:06:44:23 - 00:07:00:13 Unknown I was working so like, it's hard because I was playing. So we were looking and for a truck bed in the campground where they have like a topper, $6,000 for three nights a week. That's when they supply the truck. They supply the truck bed, but you sleep in the truck bed for $6,000 for three nights. That's how insane it is. 00:07:00:14 - 00:07:28:24 Unknown So the house and the house is now the crazy part is it's become a business. Obscene. It's become a business where I remember brands and like rich people very well off successful people will buy houses out there and completely just redo them and make them massive. We're talking resort style pools, arcades, basketball courts, all this, and they will make their mortgage the month of April because they'll do three weeks of $20,000 a night, like just boom, because, you know, 12 bedrooms kind of thing. 00:07:28:24 - 00:07:50:20 Unknown So where did you guys stay? So for Stagecoach, we stayed that money. No, no, no. But why would you spend it if you did know. Exactly. Yeah. But remember. So I played Stagecoach, I played the honky tonk, which is like the big stage at Stagecoach in 2022. And we got remember that house we stayed in? Yeah, that was this massive house, like massive house for like I posted for it. 00:07:50:20 - 00:08:05:29 Unknown All of us posted for it and I think I paid like five K and it's normally like $60,000 for the weekend and I paid like five K. Wedding venue. It's a wedding venue. It had everything a recording studio. It had basketball court, pickleball court, tennis court, Olympic sized pool. It had like 12. It was insane. It was just insane. 00:08:05:29 - 00:08:27:05 Unknown So that is like it's one of those festivals where like, it is like when I was walking out on Sunday, I was walking out because we brought my kiddo and it's literally your FYP page, like it's just all celebrities. And I was going out through like the artists VIP area, just all celebrities, all the Instagram models you see on your FYP, all the fucking streamers. 00:08:27:06 - 00:08:45:21 Unknown You know, there's massive streamers right now, like speed, all those guys, neon, they're all walking by. It's a wild thing, man. And you see Ashton Kutcher, you'd be standing next Ashton Kutcher are those guys. Are they getting free like tickets just because they want to be there? It's it's not only from the festival that because that's three. Yeah yeah brands. 00:08:45:21 - 00:08:59:25 Unknown So I went I actually went to church with Stagecoach. So they gave me a bunch of artist passes. But usually it's brands like a brand like T-Mobile will be like, hey, we'll give you five passes you have to post for us, and they'll pay you sometimes and stuff and they'll put you up. And so it's just it's turned into a whole. 00:08:59:27 - 00:09:30:15 Unknown It's just a monster, man. It's just the most insane, exhausting, but also like, really cool, like I saw. I mean, the last couple of weeks I've seen obviously Justin Bieber, Sabrina Carpenter, hoodie and the Blowfish, Post Malone, third eye blinds. It just goes on and on. It's the most random musicians, but music and John was but it's it's incredible because I mean that was one of my favorite memories was I can't remember what year it was, but we were standing there in the VIP bar, artists backstage and Mila Kunis like fangirl too, over him and G. 00:09:30:16 - 00:09:48:18 Unknown Yeah, it was wild. And Mila Kunis is like talking to them. And I'm here having drinks and we're doing shots at the bar. It's me. Scooter Braun, Ashton Kutcher, and Matt Stafford. Yeah, yeah, we're just chopping it up for 30 minutes. Y Miller's fan girl. Yeah, yeah, it was wild. She was like, are you two? Because we weren't public yet, so we were so private. 00:09:48:19 - 00:09:59:06 Unknown And she was like, G and blade. She was like, are you two dating? And we were like, yeah. She's like, am I one of the first people to know this? And so is kind of we got all on film to every dog for got. It was a cool moment. We'll get you guys those photos. Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. 00:09:59:06 - 00:10:15:12 Unknown But that's just the way it is. It's you'll you'll be in like, the artists VIP and you'll just be standing next to like, yeah, you'll be having shots with whoever. Imagine you'll just be, like, standing next to Sweeney or Kendall Jenner and. Yeah, thanks for inviting me. I remember that next year, Sidney, this year, like, who's the guy who? 00:10:15:12 - 00:10:35:04 Unknown Just one. Or he was like Frankenstein, you know? And he's part of euphoria. The tall guy that everybody fucking upset Jacob Elordi or something. Yeah. He got caught by like a fan in VIP making out with Kendall Jenner. I guess they're dating. You know what I mean? It's just it's a wild, wild experience. But if you haven't been, people get scared of it because, like, oh, it's just influencers and celebrities, like, don't get me wrong, it is. 00:10:35:06 - 00:10:52:08 Unknown But there's 250,000 tickets sold over two weekends for Coachella. 15% of that is influencers. So it's really an incredible festival. If you ever get a chance, there's a reason people go back, like there were people who were talking to have been like 15, 16 years. And it goes, it's not just like 7 to 10, is it like all day? 00:10:52:11 - 00:11:14:24 Unknown It's Torcello. Very much so. Yeah. Coachella. Ope door was at three, closes around 2 a.m. maybe. But then during the day the brands do like we went to Revolve Fest and you have huge, massive musicians playing, you know what I mean? You go to all these activities. Marvel have bigger artists better than Stagecoach. I was saying up to the point where, like, I kind of just want to go for the parties because they, they have a hell of a lineup, you know what I mean? 00:11:14:24 - 00:11:33:22 Unknown So it's just a beast, man. It's a lot. And you get 20,000 steps in a day. It's just it's crazy. But I always like, regret it. But then, you know, I finished and I'm like, I can't wait for next year. So how long is your set? Each day I play, so I play 19 for somebody or you just it's just you and just dancing and you're doing the shit in front of all this. 00:11:33:23 - 00:11:46:10 Unknown Yeah. I play in, like, this enclosed tent, which is. And I'm air conditioned, which is, there's not many air conditioned. So it's a pretty popular tent. And yeah, I play for 90 minutes. There's like, you know, they have like a lineup play for 90 minutes in this like little enclosed tent. And it's super fun, man. It's a vibe. 00:11:46:10 - 00:11:59:21 Unknown And it's it's like it'll get packed because like Sabrina Carpenter let out and it'll be packed in their shoulder to shoulder, like sold out. And then, you know, all of a sudden the strokes are starting on the next stage and then kind of empty in the next week. So it's a revolving door. But it's fun. It's a really fun spot. 00:11:59:22 - 00:12:16:04 Unknown They're really there for the AC not you. Yeah. No AC in the fucking misery. Yeah. It's so hot out there. Yeah I don't know if it was Coachella or Stagecoach, but Jake Worthington, who was on our pod, was singing with Post Malone. He they called it. Yeah. Last night he called him up and I was like, I literally turned. 00:12:16:05 - 00:12:30:24 Unknown I was like, he's been on my part. He was on a podcast. Yeah, I saw that clip today and I was like, what the hell? Yeah, he pulled up. He's like blowing up. Well, post is such a post. Loves post is such a historian of music. Honestly, like he he might be the most versatile artist of all time. 00:12:30:27 - 00:12:43:23 Unknown Like he could do everything he was. His set last night was really good to, which is insane to think I was just there. I was up till 2 a.m. and you were at when Jake Weddington was there? Yeah, I was, did you see him or say hi to him or anything? No. So I didn't know I didn't. Okay. 00:12:43:25 - 00:12:59:14 Unknown Because he was he was like back backstage okay. Yeah. But what I was gonna say. Yeah. So I posted, you know, obviously he's got this whole thing where he's like gone country now and he's like kind of rebranded. But he played a bunch of his old stuff, which was dope. He did a ton of covers, but he played White Iverson Celebration. 00:12:59:15 - 00:13:22:13 Unknown Yes. What ever since. Circles not celebration. Congratulations. Yeah, he played all those, but it had a country spin to it. But it reminded me of Old Post. And he's such a performer, man. He's such. Yeah. He's good. Incredible. So he was probably my second favorite. Bieber was the best of all three weekends. We were talking about that with thought because everyone was like complaining about the YouTube. 00:13:22:13 - 00:13:36:22 Unknown But then the it's the copyright of music because he sold his whole he sold his whole library, play anything live. Well, he could, but he would have to pay. Yeah, he'd have to pay royalties. So what did he do? So he used YouTube. That's why he used it. And how were how was that amazing. If he's just he was watching my YouTube video, so. 00:13:36:23 - 00:13:52:06 Unknown Okay. So I liked it because he was he was discovered on YouTube. So it was like a very full circle moment for him. He was showing the old YouTube videos that he got discovered on and was singing over top of his old baby voice, kid voice, so he was singing on top of it. To me, it was just very artistic, the way he like, did everything. 00:13:52:07 - 00:14:08:08 Unknown It was like, this is my new self, this is who I am now. Swag the new album. But he was still paying respect and like, you know, to who he was and who he became and how he became famous. And I thought it was like very therapeutic. I'm not the biggest Bieber in the world or believer or whatever they call him. 00:14:08:08 - 00:14:24:14 Unknown But like, even I walked away with that and I was like, so yeah, but I walked away with that and I was like, Holy shit. Like, I got goosebumps. I was like, this kid has been through. So, you know, we don't know. Yeah. But like, he's been through a lot. We know, you know what I mean. But and like we know. 00:14:24:17 - 00:14:41:03 Unknown So it's like it was like he was literally up there like healing. It was cool I enjoyed it. But I get why. Because Sabrina Carpenter's stage was like, well it's like sexual Sabrina. Super sexual. Well, yeah. But it wasn't even that. Like, I went to Lady Gaga last year and it was the most insane stage setup I've ever seen. 00:14:41:09 - 00:14:55:27 Unknown And then Bieber walks out there. It's just him, a fog machine and a laptop, and he crushes it, you know what I mean? So I think a lot of people, that's cool, probably a lot of people. So for a show like that where it's like someone huge, how many people are in the crowd for his stage? I've never so Bieber they oversold. 00:14:55:27 - 00:15:15:15 Unknown I've never seen artists was packed, VIP was packed, gay was I've never seen so many people for Bieber for a that's my fifth Coachella. I've never seen it. So they oversold like like dangerous. Oh no no no. Because I I'll show you some say close to over 100 probably. Maybe more 200. Yeah. Maybe for flat right. Elevated like. 00:15:15:19 - 00:15:32:26 Unknown Yeah. If you're if you're back there you're not seeing shit. Yeah. But they do a really good job of like putting another screen with speakers and another screen. It's crazy like like sounds like I get it, I get it. So you'll have the stage and then probably like 200, 300 yards out for the second half they put up big screens so those people can see the stage. 00:15:32:27 - 00:15:53:00 Unknown And this is going to sound douchey. But like I would never go if I didn't have the artist. Oh God bro I'm never I'm already in like the camp. I don't do many concerts, but the last couple last year Eric took us to Jason Aldean, were backstage. We meet Brittany, you get spoiled, and then we go to Jake Worthington's top at Red rocks. 00:15:53:00 - 00:16:08:23 Unknown We're on stage. We're in his fitting room. I'm like, look at those peasants out there. There. And I'm not, you know, I'm like, yeah, it spoils it for you. Yeah it does. It does for sure. Especially at festivals. It's just festivals are so brutal. But but yeah, that's what I've been up to. In April. So it's been a lot. 00:16:08:24 - 00:16:25:29 Unknown But so do you like baby baby baby pre nut drop or after. It's nuts dropped pre pre baby I like I like the OG the song. 00I like the ogg do the OG. And I was so worried that he wasn't going to play his old stuff. And then he played it all, which was so cool. It was, it was incredible. 00:16:25:29 - 00:16:40:22 Unknown And then I think there's word on the street that he's going to be first, he's going to do a world tour, and then there's word on the street that he's going to do the Super Bowl halftime show, really the world tour. So if he does world tour, he'll actually perform. But the label, the company who owns all the songs would get half. 00:16:40:23 - 00:16:54:09 Unknown And then he they pay him. So it's like, hey, you can sing our songs now, it's his. But then they'd pay him a fee. There would have to be some kind of mutual agreement. Yeah, I don't know what that contract looked like when he sold it. How much he sell it for? Hundred million. Because it's like when Taylor. 00:16:54:11 - 00:17:12:14 Unknown I mean, scooter has all the Taylor's music, so. Yeah. And she, like, recorded everything. Yeah. To big fuck you screwed. Up. I saw scooter fucking making out with Sydney Sweeney. This. Where was TMZ? Oh, no. They've been together for a while. Oh, I thought that. Yeah, that for a while. We could have clipped that here. I was like, man. 00:17:12:18 - 00:17:29:21 Unknown But yeah. So we went to. We went to Sydney soon. He's like little pop up. She had a siren pop up for her lingerie and they did a really good job. It was all karaoke. So she was in there seeing karaoke with fans. I saw her with Riley Green. She did with Riley Green. She did it with Who's the other podcast or the hilarious podcast or like a comedian, the biggest. 00:17:29:21 - 00:17:50:20 Unknown I can't think of the black guy. No goofy comedian. White hair has like a long good thing. Anyway, he was did the honky tonk with Caleb driving crazy. Anyway, he was in there singing with her and it was fun. It was. It was just a fun. What's his name? The guy in tires. 000, no, I love this is awesome. 00:17:50:25 - 00:18:13:02 Unknown I think it sounds like a busy couple weeks, but yeah, it's been it's been a lot. It's been a lot of us have day jobs. Yeah. Well, now for the boring stories. Yeah. Master's party. That was the best party. It was good. I would say that. I didn't know how serious people took golden tea. Oh, my God. Like, I knew people played and like, you know, had fun at the bars. 00:18:13:02 - 00:18:27:19 Unknown But it was like the Wednesday before I made a rule sheet and I just put it in ChatGPT. I was like, just make like a basic rules for golden tea. Print it out. Cool. I had like 25 people come up to me like, what about this? What about this? What if I tie? Can I log in? Can I change my ball? 00:18:27:20 - 00:18:44:25 Unknown Can I use my clubs? And I'm like, you can log in, you could bring your own. Yeah. Like you could log into your character using your email. And then they have all their clubs or custom balls. They have handicaps. And that's how I was like, no, no, we're we're just keeping it stuck. Like. And they're like, oh. 00:18:44:26 - 00:18:56:18 Unknown And I was like, I don't know. Well, one guy was flexing like he was a top 50 player in the world. Yeah, there was a lot of talk about it and it was like, come for that? Yeah. You know what I mean? I was probably the biggest draw was the golden tee. All for a free golf bag. Yeah. 00:18:56:19 - 00:19:11:13 Unknown For a goal. Get it though. Let's go back. And it was like a three hour tournament. Oh my god. And like, towards the end, like, people didn't really care like or at least I didn't. And there was like a table there and people were like asking people to move, get out the way because they would step back like five feet. 00:19:11:14 - 00:19:28:24 Unknown Yeah. And then like walk into it and then I'm like, this is great. I got eliminated first round by Nick. So I bald out and you guys playing around I we didn't I got lucky like I hit a good shot and I had like an eagle putt and Eric hit in the water was like I lost. Yeah I just conceded you know people were taking it. 00:19:28:27 - 00:19:43:29 Unknown Get my sandwich now that's so funny. I mean I've seen videos obviously on social, but I didn't realize it was so like widespread I guess, like people in Denver, you know what I mean? It was crazy, like people like a lot of people showed up because they knew pins or whatever, but some people showed up just to play Golden T. 00:19:44:05 - 00:19:58:16 Unknown That was a great test with it. Yeah. Videos and pics. Yeah, it looks great. I was like, that's awesome. I would, I would always I would love to know people do that, you know like what is their handicap in real life. Like are they big golfers. Like if you look at them you're like, oh yeah, you're a golden tee golf. 00:19:58:16 - 00:20:15:24 Unknown Yeah, you're a golden key guy. Yeah. All right. Yeah. They're virtual okay. Some people were like, yeah I'm like a plus 15. Can I log into my character? I'm like, how are you a plus 15 on Golden Teeth? Yeah, on Golden Team. But yeah, they were taking it real. I think golden years now I kind of want to play like I don't think I've ever played until like that. 00:20:16:00 - 00:20:32:03 Unknown I've never played golden. It's fun for like 20 minutes. Yeah. It's fun. Yeah. But I would never play. It was like, yeah, yeah like forever. Because what were we doing? Three holes. Yeah. It's like three whole matches and one guy lost. And it was single elimination because there was like 60 people in it. So I didn't want to go for eight hours. 00:20:32:03 - 00:20:47:28 Unknown And he came up to me and he's like, is it really single elimination? And I was like, yeah, we don't have all. He's like, damn it. I was like, sorry, man. Like, it's just a Saturday. Like we're just trying to drink and have a good time. Yeah, exactly. And like, don't take it out on me. I pointed at Rory. 00:20:47:28 - 00:21:03:29 Unknown I'm like, hey, he made the rules. You can talk to that guy if you have any shit to talk, talk to him. So what did we think about the Masters? What did y'all. I know that we we we we placed some bets there. My guy made Iran. Yeah, I took Rose. Oh, you took Rose. Oh, okay. I bet on him Sunday morning. 00:21:04:00 - 00:21:24:02 Unknown Did you? But yeah, it was fine. I took we talked about it like Bryson shut the bed on that. Looking back on it now, hindsight's 2020, but I should have gone with Rory. Well, we had nothing to prove. I think next reasonably well. Well, even like we were talking, Nick on that Saturday while we're at the stones, when he was slipping and dropping. 00:21:24:02 - 00:21:41:12 Unknown And his line at the time was, what, -150? And I was like, put everything on him. Yeah. And I didn't do it, I did it, I bet him. Did you? Yeah, I bet Rory. And then. And then he dropped even further after he said that and he was like plus 150. So I put another $50 on DraftKings. He had given up, like, what, 4 or 5 strokes? 00:21:41:13 - 00:21:56:13 Unknown Like in what, the first seven holes? Yeah. Wow. Kind of fell in apart. Yeah, I guess he kind of did. Yeah, yeah. Well, that was crazy, but. Yeah. And then Fitzpatrick's brother got his card. That was. That was cool. I didn't know how that worked. I didn't know, you know, because it's a team event. It's like you get points. 00:21:56:13 - 00:22:11:11 Unknown It looks like they got some points. He doesn't get into all the majors. He gets into the PGA Championship. He still got his two year card. He gets his two year card which is cool. But like you know when Rafa won a Bermuda it was a not a main of it. You know it was like an off week event. 00:22:11:11 - 00:22:28:09 Unknown But he still got an invitation to the Masters, the players, the British, you know, all the majors pretty much. He only got into the PGA Alex. But that's still cool. I mean he just went on the DP tour a couple of weeks ago. So he's a solid player. He's really good. And yeah, now he he gets to play with his brother. 00:22:28:12 - 00:22:48:23 Unknown And Matt Fitzpatrick is playing great. Obviously won back to back weeks one of the BC last week. And you know now wins with his brother this week. So he's a really good player. He's third third in the world. So what was the format. It was the last day of all that was alternate shots, what I thought. And so they shot like 100 alternate shot, which is pretty hard to play alternate shot. 00:22:48:23 - 00:23:06:20 Unknown But then I think in four ball they shot 57, which is 1400 in best ball. That's just best ball and that's balling. That's like yeah that's that's that's balling. And then I don't know if there's a scramble I don't know if it's one day's a scramble. I don't think they play a scramble. I think it's you're playing your own ball every time. 00:23:06:20 - 00:23:26:22 Unknown I think it's maybe three rounds of four ball and then final day is alternate shot. Yeah. Well, before this started, we're also talking about the nuggets. By the time this comes out, you know, we'll kind of see what happens. But they're down what 3131 right now playing at home tonight. Elimination game. What do you think's going to happen if you had to predict. 00:23:26:23 - 00:23:49:18 Unknown Do they advance from the series yes or no. Oh I they can do it because they've won three games in a row before in the playoffs. Yes or no and yes or no EV I'm going to you got to say yes or no. I have to say yes like I want to say yes to because it's like there's no excuse not to win the series with and even Kenzo out right now. 00:23:49:19 - 00:24:05:20 Unknown Yeah. It's just our guys just have to, like, make buckets and like, play with some, like, adversity. Like, it's like they're playing like their backs aren't against the wall right now and they need to come out swinging. I think they can I'm going to say yes. I think they definitely win tonight. And then if we go I think we win a game seven. 00:24:05:20 - 00:24:22:08 Unknown So if we win tonight and we go into Minnesota and win, they should have never lost game two and three, though. That's the crazy thing. Well it's like they were up big in game two. They had a 19.1 quarter lead. Or maybe that was game three. No no it was game two. How did they lose it up. Yeah. 00:24:22:11 - 00:24:39:03 Unknown And yeah yeah. Now you're up two. You go into minutes you might lose one. But now you go. Now it's probably reversed. It's probably three one if they win game two. What do you say yes or no. I say yes, I say I think if Ant's out and de la Kenzo is that even though he's a good little role player. 00:24:39:04 - 00:24:56:24 Unknown Yeah. If those guys are out, I think, I think they get it done. But they have to come in and play with like a ten city locked in. They get a little sloppy. Yeah, they're not disciplined. They need to get some discipline and and go forward. But we'll see. And everyone said to like if they would have lost that last regular season game. 00:24:56:24 - 00:25:14:25 Unknown They get the rockets in the playoffs and the rockets are down three one to LA. And everyone's like oh Minnesota. Now they got Minnesota. They could have lost had the rockets. And everyone's like oh Minnesota's a different team. But like Minnesota is the Nuggets Achilles heel I feel like starts with the avalanche. Yeah exactly. You know it's like I would have rather had the rockets. 00:25:14:25 - 00:25:33:19 Unknown But if they can get past the Timberwolves then you know I think they they could do well. The one tough thing about that is like we're kind of dug our own grave here because now it's like we have no choice but to go seven games. So if we win in seven, San Antonio is going to be rested. There are long women and then we're going to. 00:25:33:21 - 00:25:48:18 Unknown Oh he's played last night. Oh yeah. But then it's like the turnaround from the first series to the second round is going to be a day or two on us now. It's just like we already kind of look a little like Tired and Glass and it's like so it's a good transition because number one I'd agree with that. 00:25:48:19 - 00:26:04:16 Unknown But there are pros and cons. You're saying no you don't. I think they win tonight and lose Minnesota. Yeah. If if you're not well I get like the rest thing. But sometimes it can also hurt you like you can be. You're not as fresh and maybe they can just keep that momentum going. Hey we won three in a row. 00:26:04:17 - 00:26:26:11 Unknown Now we go into San Antonio and win. Flip side talking about more Denver sports is the avalanche. I was really hoping they would lose selfishly. Game five, game four, because in game five would have been Wednesday here and I would have begged you for tickets. But now, I mean, now they're going to have 8 or 9 days. All the other series are pretty close. 00:26:26:11 - 00:26:46:08 Unknown Let's see. Like hockey I think is great where you get the Rask especially like our second round series is against Dallas or Minnesota, where that should honestly be the Western Conference finals, the NHL playoffs. Eating is ridiculous. So let those two teams beat the shit out of each other for the seven games where rest is big in hockey. 00:26:46:09 - 00:27:04:12 Unknown Yeah, you got your legs back and everything like so. I think that works in our advantage completely. I think the eyes are going to sweep their way through the Stanley Cup. I don't see anybody given this. What? It's so good. I mean, I agree it's a possibility, but hot playoff hockey is crazy though. Like anybody any I mean any given Sunday. 00:27:04:12 - 00:27:24:05 Unknown But like you can these if you get a hot goalie that's what it is. It's a hot goalie and we have the hottest one right. We do wedges on. I don't know much about hockey, but that was like do you like their hockey? Their keeper didn't lose a game keeper. So whatever. That's a good soccer term. But what's crazy is I saw that. 00:27:24:07 - 00:27:43:01 Unknown Do you goalie. He shot the free throw before the game. Oh really I think game two. Oh nice. That is the littlest dude. Yeah. He's tiny, isn't he. He is maybe like five seven. He looks five seven. Like 140 pounds. Oh wow. Where like NHL, NHL goalies now are massive. Yeah. And this guy I'm like, how did this guy just win a national title? 00:27:43:02 - 00:27:59:18 Unknown Well it's crazy I can't remember. I'll I'll butcher it for sure. Maybe we get him on the pot and ask him about it. But there was a a story of how he was like going D3 like, wasn't even good. And I guess the coach he had sent tape to do and coach was just kind of browsing and looking look back. 00:27:59:18 - 00:28:13:10 Unknown And he's like, wait, who's this guy? He already committed and they had an injury for their current goalie due. And they're like, we need to find another goalie. And they're like, oh, look at this tape from this guy. They went and watched him and they're like, hey, you can come to do. So. He goes and then he wins the starting role and he's just balling. 00:28:13:10 - 00:28:31:08 Unknown It's crazy. But the hockey guys are for the most part Avs have actually have a big team. They're pretty small but their legs are just like oh they're tree trunks. Yeah it's crazy. But yeah Wedgewood is like hot. And that's where like Patrick wa in the you know Stanley Cup. He was never a good regular season goalie ever. 00:28:31:14 - 00:28:53:00 Unknown And then when he was in the Stanley Cup when he was I mean we were kids growing up watching him. It's just like Liam wasn't born. Liam wasn't born. He was still swimming around. You know, it's it's crazy. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully the nuggets make a comeback and the Avs keep it going. Yeah keep it rolling I mean we could have two I mean we could have two parades I mean we could have two parades. 00:28:53:02 - 00:29:08:19 Unknown We're definitely going to get one here I think so too I think so too. We got I mean Denver sports right now is on fire. They're good. They're good man. The Broncos are looking good. Rockies just swept the Mets. Yeah Rockies have a young team I don't want to get too excited I got a young fun. Yeah I want to sing team. 00:29:08:20 - 00:29:24:13 Unknown I went to opening day where they were just awful. Yeah yeah yeah. It was 19 first. Yeah, yeah. It was like seven zero. Top of the first in the crowd was just dead. That's terrible. Here we go again. But no, I mean they're young. I mean, yeah, you never know what the Rockies because we could trade away all of our. 00:29:24:14 - 00:29:39:29 Unknown I don't even tell you one player on the Rock. No. Me neither. Honestly, neither. And I used to like love when it was, like, too low. And Charlie Blackmon. Helton. He's retired. Yeah. He's gone. I couldn't tell you. Can't tell you either, to be honest. But I'll start paying attention, man. If they keep doing what they're doing, man, I start paying attention. 00:29:40:02 - 00:30:00:28 Unknown You want to talk about the tournaments that we're thinking about doing? Yeah. Maybe get some customer feedback. Yeah. You know, and what we're doing. So we've got a couple things. We've got the Children's Hospital NICU event June 1st that's already sold out. That sells out in like a day. All the proceeds, 100% of all proceeds go back to Children's Hospital, which is really cool. 00:30:00:28 - 00:30:23:20 Unknown Raised over $20,000 last year from the tournament. And then so that's June 1st. That's going to be a good time. A couple different things that we've got going on. We've got our Vail Classic, which what are the dates of that? Is that July the 9th to the 12th of July. Yeah, yeah that's up. And Vail, the one concern we have and we were talking about it is the weather. 00:30:23:22 - 00:30:40:14 Unknown Like number one you get weather always every afternoon up in the mountains. But number two we're like in major drought. I was just going to say, man they're talking about like for these mountain courses that the runoff you know, they get obviously the runoff but normally they get divert it. You know it's like okay, well the water the snowmelt is all up there. 00:30:40:14 - 00:30:58:27 Unknown Even though there's not a lot of it. There's some the courses would get the water there saying like you're not touching any of that. Like, we're not going to pull any of this water. It needs to go straight down to Denver. And so you're left with like Mother Nature. And so people who come up and play and Vail, is the course going to be in good enough shape to host a tournament. 00:30:58:27 - 00:31:18:04 Unknown So we're kind of debating on do we add another tournament kind of mid-summer. And we've always had a block party, had a big party open house here at HQ. People have loved that. So curious to see like what you know, the fans say, should we open up another tournament? People asking about doing that? Yeah. I feel kind of working on this right now. 00:31:18:06 - 00:31:34:27 Unknown Yeah. I think either way you got to add like a party scramble. I just feel like those are the best. Those are fun. Where was that last year? Raccoon. Raccoon Creek. But we've changed it every year. Like two years ago, we did two men scrambles and they were more just like, come party, drink, have fun. If you want to take it serious, take it serious. 00:31:34:27 - 00:31:53:00 Unknown Last year, since there was ten grand on the line in Vegas, it was two man best ball. Just got more serious, which some people like, like you. But I feel like most of the guys in Denver and even just our people fly in for, yeah, our customers and fans, they just kind of want to come out and golf and party and have fun. 00:31:53:00 - 00:32:06:22 Unknown So I want to do a four man scramble. We talked about I love a four man scramble, but the only bad thing is the cheating. We need to bring you up out. So we should get yep for sure. And then we were like, we should just we have enough employees. We should just put an employee on every hole. 00:32:06:23 - 00:32:25:12 Unknown Yeah, or every two goals and just do the scorekeeper, especially after last year because the biggest sandbag grabber, Chase Campbell from Mile High Spirits I think one right one. And people like yelling at me for it. And I'm like, guys, I don't really know. Oh, and I love the scrambles. It's just the cheating aspect. And I love Chase. 00:32:25:14 - 00:32:42:08 Unknown Yeah, I know that's friends in the world, but I know so he's not that good. Yeah, yeah, I forgot about the drama. So I think we do need to score keep I think we need to score keep. And then we can do the party here the night before. That's always a good time. I think we got to do it that way. 00:32:42:09 - 00:32:57:11 Unknown Yeah, but we'll see. Let us know what you guys want to see. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be cool. I think we should though. And then can of rumors of another NICU. But we'll see. Yeah. We're kind of looking on that if we could raise more money for the kids and we might as well. Right? Yeah, yeah. Amen. Cause that one's on a Monday, so it's not as hard to set up. 00:32:57:11 - 00:33:15:15 Unknown And. Yeah, that one's a little more serious, especially if that's close to your heart. Yeah. What's what you're involved in 100%. Yeah. And it's always good to give back to the kids. So, Yeah, there's some good. Curious to see what everybody says is like, should we do another tournament? If we do, what should the format be? What should we do here? 00:33:15:21 - 00:33:29:05 Unknown Before we wrap it up, you should talk about grass league. Oh, because I was trying to talk about it last week. Do you know anything about this? The Blake Pride doesn't even know. And I was kind of butchering it. I've learned more in the last week, but we had one of our guys go playing it last week. And there's actually some silver lining. 00:33:29:05 - 00:33:46:26 Unknown Good news about missing that. So grass League is like this par three event at grass clippings rolling hills in Arizona. And it's just like under the lights. And it's a par three. It's kind of like a mini league. And there's a bunch of different team owners. I don't want to compare it to live, but it's like, you know, you got the Minnesota muskies. 00:33:46:27 - 00:34:08:26 Unknown You know what a good owns a team golfer going comparable to it's probably ice cubes. Three and three. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It's kind of like that. And so there was a qualifier and there's like a hundred teams, two men scramble on a par three. The top 22 or 23 teams of the hundred teams go into the draft. 00:34:09:03 - 00:34:25:22 Unknown And you got to shoot like six this. This year it was 600. So you got to just shoot 600 and a par three course, two man scramble for 18 for 18 holes. And Zachary and our other buddy went down there and they played in it and they shot 300, which is crazy. I'm not even going to get into it of like how awful that is. 00:34:25:24 - 00:34:48:10 Unknown Liam and I could have shot 660 and he was not happy. Six so they go down there, but you shoot and then from there, if you're a top 23 teams, you would get drafted onto the other teams that are already existing and you'd get to play in the grass leagues and there's like real money, 1500, 150,000 $950,000 first prize, like the process for first for first. 00:34:48:11 - 00:35:08:21 Unknown Now there's there's an interesting thing. There's caveat because the guy read all this, if you were to own the team, the owner gets the 150 grand. Oh, and then he pays his players and he has to pay him up to 12%, no less than 12%. So he ain't living that up a month. So 15 grand. Yes. Per per whatever. 00:35:08:21 - 00:35:22:26 Unknown If you're a pro, I don't know the exact logistics on it, but it's good marketing and branding. Next year, I want to go down with you. I think we could shoot six. That's good content. Why doesn't pass by a team? Well, how does that how much like a franchise? Oh, okay. I was like, it must be pretty hard to buy. 00:35:23:01 - 00:35:46:13 Unknown It's a lot of money. I don't know how to get some. Probably. And but. So Ben the other guy played the played was the key. He was talking to Grassley's about it. They want you to have access to a par three course in your state. So if we were going to do Colorado, you got to have access to a par three course to potentially expand and have events held at your par three course, which might be tough to get. 00:35:46:14 - 00:36:09:10 Unknown I'm sure we could find a par three course in Colorado. There's several of them hole or nine, because I can only it was nine because I can only think of like three. Par three is like not would. It's not many. I think that's it. I can think of well Harvard guilt and so like silverleaf has a par three course on like like so does Cherry Hills or Bear Creek has three course you know and but could they be a part of it. 00:36:09:12 - 00:36:31:26 Unknown But the good news is, is the PGA tour bans you from playing on any PGA tour related event if you're in the grass leagues. Really? Yes. So if Sakai would have made it. Oh, boom. Done with Korn Ferry, done with PGA tour. It's kind of like what happened with Wesley Brian and not getting led into the PGA tour event because he did some YouTube with the live got guys, you know in the live. 00:36:31:27 - 00:36:49:23 Unknown So it's a lifetime ban I don't know if it's lifetime. It's just you can't do it while you're on the grass leagues. So I'm like well what about Wyndham. Like he's he's the team owner. Cold knows he doesn't play on the PGA tour anymore. A lot of these guys don't slow. That being said is the key. Has a few Mondays and a few things we want to do with the corn fairy this year. 00:36:49:23 - 00:37:10:12 Unknown He went have been able to do it if he got in. So kind of a silver lining of him. Not should I not do the grass because you're not. Want to give up my corn? Yeah. You're very good. No more Mondays for you. Yeah. So that's qualifying. Yeah. That's that's tough. It's a tough scene. But yeah. So if you make the team whatever you get drafted onto a team, you're in the league. 00:37:10:14 - 00:37:28:26 Unknown So there's like a Minnesota team or whatever whatever. So how would that you would travel around and play. It's like a full time thing. Yeah. Yeah yeah I think it's just at right now I think it's just in Arizona they do it a couple times a year maybe. I think they're trying to expand it or like, hey, every month, you know, you go some different state that has access to the part three. 00:37:29:00 - 00:37:46:05 Unknown And then I take it the team owner with like pay travel and that's that's where the sponsorship comes up. Wow. Yeah. So when you get drafted to a team, are you on that team or do they redraft every event? I think on the season you're on that team. You're on that team. At the end of the season, the owners have to like get rid of team people. 00:37:46:07 - 00:38:03:02 Unknown People like drop out, you know, of like, okay, I'm not doing this next year. Whatever you probably got to pay to, to get down there to where people probably just. Yeah. But like I think Johnny Manziel played in it. Right? He beats the guy's ass. He beats a guy who you came in as part of something. Yeah. They didn't make it, but they I don't know who beat him was. 00:38:03:03 - 00:38:21:13 Unknown That's so disappointing. I know it was so funny because all of us here, like, we felt bad. I mean, you know, golf, it's like you just maybe didn't make a putt. You said it was windy. Whatever the case was, the guy walks back in Friday morning. Nick's like, well, that was fucking pathetic. First thing he says, everyone else is like, oh, sorry you didn't go. 00:38:21:14 - 00:38:42:27 Unknown Well, that was fucking pathetic. The guys like, yeah, it wasn't my best. And he's like, no, seriously, you suck. I'm like, nice man. So no mercy water. So you brought up Wesley Brian? He just started kind of his own thing too, didn't he? Yeah. On that. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but yeah, something like that with like, greater influencer type thing. 00:38:42:27 - 00:39:08:18 Unknown And he's gonna have millions really think that that's going to take over this influencer crater. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the industry and with the with the sport, because it's going to start getting to the point where the persons are like kind of similar to the PGA. Like I genuinely because some of these brands, man who aren't allowed on the PGA for whatever reason, are going to start throwing money at these invitational internet invitationals, and it's going to be really it's going to not as much as live, I don't think, or anything, but like it'll be interesting to see. 00:39:08:19 - 00:39:29:15 Unknown You might not competition these creators with like an AP Automator or like Netjets sponsorships, but you're going to be seeing them pushing Colgate or not NASCAR, you know what I mean? My back like and it's also and I wanted to ask you guys opinion on this because it's getting to it reminds me a lot of like when in the NBA it's really only NBA. 00:39:29:15 - 00:39:41:29 Unknown But when players will like sit out, you know what I mean. They're not hurt. They just want to rest. We're starting to see that in the I mean I shouldn't say starting, but it's getting more popular to see PGA like Rory. You know he's like I'm only going to play the what I want to play, you know, why wouldn't you? 00:39:41:29 - 00:39:57:00 Unknown So it'll be interesting to see if that starts to like the fans. Like well you know what? Fine. But I get to watch Bob does sports and all these guys so I can see every day. And they're not going to sit out. They know, you know, that's a hell of an opportunity. And it'll be interesting to see if the fans are like, do you think it's bad for the sport for people like Rory to sit out there? 00:39:57:03 - 00:40:16:11 Unknown Because Rory's also to piggyback off that, because we're always such a traditionalist. So like, how is that going to affect both worlds? Like, and you're well, remember when Rory won the Masters last year? He missed the he already missed a signature, which was the century at Kapalua before the Masters in January. He's like, I don't want to go out to Y and do that. 00:40:16:11 - 00:40:34:15 Unknown So PGA tour players are required to play in all of the signature events. If you're exempt to them, like Rory, the top players, because they want the top players in the top events with the biggest sponsors that like Rory's going to be here, right? Obviously it's a draw. So Rory missed the century, which was a signature event. You're allowed to miss one okay. 00:40:34:16 - 00:40:51:12 Unknown After he won the Masters, then he's like, I'm not playing RBC. And that was two. So they find him. I think it was 15% or 20% of his Pip, which ended up being $3 million. Yeah, that's a lot because he got second in the Pip. Tiger always wins and he's you know so he got it was like five 3 million. 00:40:51:12 - 00:41:09:07 Unknown So they're trying to prevent people from bailing. But if you're a Rory it's like okay take some of my Pip. I've got hundreds of millions. I'm going to play in my event. And I don't think it's a problem except for Rory. It's a bad look, but I don't think it's a big deal that he's doing that. So. But I mean, yeah, they want to get people to play him. 00:41:09:07 - 00:41:26:10 Unknown The thing with the creator network that they're building out in these tournaments is I hope it's inclusive. I think people are starting to get frustrated with like, it's the same guys. It's these creators. The creators are bugging me, which I liked about grass leagues. It's like you could be any Joe Schmo. And if you're if you got game, you can come play. 00:41:26:13 - 00:41:43:18 Unknown So I'm hoping this creators it's not just Barstool 2.0 and it's just you got to be not just good good in basketball. They should have like, hey, here's a qualifying event. And you could be, you know Liam, you could be whoever. It's like, you know. Or does DB like you have no falling but you're good. You can get in. 00:41:43:19 - 00:41:59:13 Unknown I think they were talking about doing that of having like an open to get in and get some really good players because otherwise it's just great trails. You know there's YouTube golfers that are really, really good and they're going to win. The rest of them are like, yeah, they're fun to watch, but they're not good. Yeah that's good. 00:41:59:14 - 00:42:16:29 Unknown Like, you know, they get a good following or whatever. Yeah, they have a good following but they're not good. That's a good point you know. So it'd be interesting to see I like the idea maybe of like blending the two together, like having, you know, let's say like a four people, you know, team, four people on team or scramble two are influencers or whatever you want to call it. 00:42:16:29 - 00:42:35:21 Unknown And then you have people who have been drafted or whatever, like jokes that'd be fun, that are good. Something like that. Yeah. That made the cut or yeah, I agree, that'd be fun. Yeah, I agree. It'll be interesting because it is cool to see, like when Bob does sports through their Joe versus schmo and Riggs does his hater things like it's cool to see the normal guy, like, go on camera and like how he handles that. 00:42:35:22 - 00:42:51:27 Unknown But like, you know, you can watch the Barstool guys play against each other all day. It's like, fuck me. It's the same thing all the time. But it's cool to see, like if the ZB would have qualified if he's playing against Grant Horvat, you know what happens. So we'll see. I think you would wipe the floor with Grant Horvath. 00:42:51:29 - 00:43:10:27 Unknown I would love to see that match, honestly. So yeah, it would be clip that. Yeah. With that. Yeah. Cool. Anything else we got coming up? We want to chat about any new drops coming out. Yeah. There's well maybe to talk about. We do have a summer drop coming. We got two new bag colorways dropping. Is this podcast come on me out? 00:43:11:03 - 00:43:33:00 Unknown Yeah. Bags will be dropped. Bags will be dropped. Crispy. That glacier, the glacier blue, which is super nice. And then I don't even. It's in the bottom right. That bottom right at an electric car not electric. It's crazy. It's the craziest color bag you've ever seen. It's like phosphorescent. Yeah, like bright construction. It's a very. Yeah, but it's more of like a it's just hard to explain. 00:43:33:00 - 00:43:52:23 Unknown It's like super, super bright really excited about that. So we've got those bags launching and now we're kind of like into summer. It's weird. It's cold this week and you know the next like next week a little bit. And then it starts to get a little nicer. So coming into summer golf looking forward to it. I mean we've been in summer golf though, so we could take a couple a couple of weeks. 00:43:52:24 - 00:44:08:26 Unknown Yeah, the rain will be good. Yeah. We need the rain Colorado needs it bad, bad, bad. Are you playing in the memory? Guess. Friday? Yeah. Are you. Who are you playing at? The dew thing. Oh that's right, that's right. You're at the weather. I play with Matt Meyer every year. It's a one day member. Guessed that 36 of them. 00:44:08:28 - 00:44:30:06 Unknown Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. What's his handicap? 36. Yeah. You shouldn't be able to play an event. How is that fair? He's getting two pops. Yeah, well, it's 80%. He makes a point, makes three pars. You know that's three eagles. It's 80%. His first putt is his t shirt. Yeah, literally. You've seen his swing I might need to grow the swing out. 00:44:30:09 - 00:44:49:12 Unknown It's crazy. It is crazy. But craziest thing you've ever seen. But we'll see how that goes. Yeah. Kind of kicking it off. So cool. Sounds good. Yeah, yeah, I guess tonight and abs next series, but cool. Thanks for tuning in, guys, and let us know. Like I said at the beginning of the pod, we we want to know more of what you want to hear more of what you want to see. 00:44:49:15 - 00:44:57:16 Unknown And like I said, we're excited for guerrilla sports and what's to come. A lot more of closed course coming your way. Be sure to comment, like and subscribe and we'll see you next week. See you guys.  

On this Mother's Day, Brother Nick shares from 2 Timothy about passing on the faith to influence future generations. 

Brother Nick continues in James chapter four looking at the privilege and priority of prayer.

Highlander Silver commenced its first exploration drilling program in over a decade at the Corani Silver Project in Peru, utilizing the first of four planned drill rigs, said Daniel Earle, president and CEO, in a conversation with Mining Stock Daily. Since its recent acquisition of Bear Creek Mining, the company has focused on infrastructure development, including road earthworks, facility upgrades, and the construction of a new powerline substation. The company reports an unaudited cash balance of approximately US$100 million and no debt as of March 31, 2026. A feasibility study update is scheduled for completion by the end of Q3 2026 to evaluate the project's staged-development model and potential economic outcomes.

Brother Nick continues in James chapter 4 about six things of the mystery of prayer.

Brother Nick looks at Jesus' resurrection from the book of Luke 24.

This year's Juno Awards in Hamilton, Ontario, included historic wins and high-profile performances by Indigenous artists, celebrating their roles as central, defining voices in contemporary Canadian music. Oji-Cree singer-songwriter Aysanabee secured two major honors: Alternative Album of the Year and Contemporary Indigenous Artist of the Year for his project Edge of the Earth. Veteran powwow group Bear Creek won for Traditional Indigenous Group — their first Juno in a nearly 30-year career. William Prince performed his song For the First Time, and Inuk throat singer Tanya Tagaq appeared onstage as part of a tribute to Nelly Furtado. We'll hear more about Indigenous milestones by Indigenous artists at Canada's biggest celebration of music. GUESTS Aysanabee (Oji-Cree, Sucker Clan of Sandy Lake First Nation) Jai King-Green (Mississaugas Anishinaabe), singer from the Manitou Mkwa Singers Joe Syrette (Ojibwe from Batchewana First Nation), head singer for Bear Creek Yellow Bear Nakota (Nakoda), Indigenous Sioux singer Break 1 Music: Further From the Country (song) William Prince (artist) Further From the Country (album) Break 2 Music: Save the World (song) Tribz (artist) Trimmed (album)

Brother Nick shares a Palm Sunday message from Luke 19 and reminds us that God's ways are much higher than our ways and He is very much in control.

In this special members preview episode, we explore powerful firsthand accounts from three individuals whose experiences stretch across Michigan, Kentucky, and South Carolina. Each witness shares deeply personal encounters that have stayed with them for decades, offering vivid glimpses into moments that changed how they view the woods forever.From the forests near Atlanta in Montmorency County, Michigan, one man reflects on a 1986 mushroom hunting trip that turned into an unforgettable encounter near a quiet creek. What began as a peaceful afternoon quickly became something far more profound, leaving him and his family questioning what they had witnessed.In Kentucky, a childhood turkey hunt along the Nolin River near Bear Creek became a moment that still stands crystal clear in memory. A presence only feet away. A sound that has never been forgotten. A split second that continues to echo years later.And in South Carolina, a lifelong outdoorsman shares experiences that began on his family's sprawling rural property in the 1970s and followed him into adulthood. A later hunting trip near Interstate 26 in Newberry County would deliver a sighting through a rifle scope that permanently altered his relationship with the outdoors.These accounts are thoughtful, detailed, and grounded in decades of lived experience. This preview only scratches the surface of what's shared in the full episode.Note: To get this full episode (and tomorrow's episode) early and ad-free then become a supporting member over at https://www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com OR become a Youtube member by tapping the JOIN button.

It was the late spring of 1932 when Idaho outfitter Jim Renshaw first saw the upper Selway River from the back of a horse. The packstring was led by his father, Alvin, who had been working for the U.S. Forest Service since he was 13 and had bought the Pettibone Ranch, deep in the wilderness, where Bear Creek drops into the Selway River. Jim Renshaw was two months old at that time. For the next 16 years, he, his mother and father, and two sisters lived at the Pettibone Ranch, guiding hunters in the fall and fishermen and wilderness wanderers in the summer. Jim would become one of the most famed and skilled horsemen and wilderness mule packers in the history of the Selway country, as well as an elk and mule deer guide with few equals. Today, at age 93, he remains actively engaged with his horses and mules and in his home wilderness country. This interview was recorded live at Jim's home near Kooskia, Idaho, during a visit in June 2025. The stories kept coming, the maps stayed on the table, and the coffee remained on the stove for the better part of two days. Hal was able to capture much of it in this podcast episode—nine decades of weather and work, triumph and tragedy, wildlife and even wilder people, family, camps, crashed planes, and horse wrecks—a life writ large in some of the finest and most remote country left on Earth.