Podcast appearances and mentions of david kirsch

Dr Akila Viswanathan talks to Dr David Kirsch from the Princess Margaret Cancer Centre/University Health Network about treating soft tissue sarcomas for Seminars in Radiation Oncology.

Gear up for a riveting BestBall Roundtable discussion as we preview the 2024 PGA Championship at Valhalla Golf Club. Robby and a panel of golf aficionados — David Kirsch, AJ Stuckey, Joe Fellini, and Mark the Caddie — bring a wealth of knowledge and unique perspectives to the tee.Engage in a lively debate and hear intriguing predictions from our esteemed guests about the potential winner of the Wannamaker Trophy. From daring calls on underdogs like Jake Knapp and Ludwig Åberg to top contenders such as John Rahm and Max Homa, our guests offer a fascinating glimpse into the future of this prestigious event, possibly the final PGA Championship at Valhalla.Join us for a diverse range of insights from our passionate guests, ready to share their varied opinions on topics ranging from Kentucky's bourbon to Tiger Woods' potential comeback. Whether you're a dedicated golf fan or a casual listener, this episode promises to cater to everyone's interests.BestBall Roundtable guests:David KirschJoe GolfTravelerMark the CaddieAJ StuckeyBestBall Links:•https://BestBall.com•https://linktr.ee/BestBallThe Hole Story Podcast Sponsors:•Caledonia Golf & Fish Club and True Blue Golf Club - Two Play Special - https://truebluegolf.com•Western Birch Golf Co. - Enter "BESTBALL" in the shipping cart for a free gift with your order - https://westernbirch.comInterested in becoming a sponsor of The Hole Story Podcast? Email info@bestball.com.

The podcast episode explores the concept of atmosphere in interior design and its impact on our mood and well-being. Nico begins todays episode by sharing a personal anecdote about how music and the environment can inspire creativity and set a specific mood. Nico defines atmosphere as the mood and sensorial qualities of a space that guides our feelings and informs our experiences. The importance of creating a unique atmosphere in our homes that reflects our individual emotions, experiences, and preferences is emphasized.Nico delves into various aspects of atmosphere, starting with color psychology. And explains how different colors can evoke specific emotions and how they can be used to create a desired mood in a space. Lighting conditions are also discussed as an important factor in influencing our mood and cognitive function. The right lighting can create a warm and inviting atmosphere or a bright and energizing one.Spatial design is another aspect of atmosphere that the Nico explores. She explains how the layout and arrangement of furniture and objects in a space can affect our behaviors and emotions. Considering the flow and functionality of a room is emphasized when designing its atmosphere.Biophilic design, which incorporates elements of nature into built environments, is also discussed. The host explains how incorporating natural elements such as plants, natural light, and organic materials can have a positive impact on our well-being. The calming and stress-reducing effects of nature are highlighted, along with the sense of connection to the environment it can create.The interaction between different elements in a room and how the atmosphere can affect us even if we are not consciously aware of it is emphasized, referencing a paper by cognitive scientist David Kirsch. This highlights the subconscious influence that atmosphere can have on our mood and well-being.The role of atmosphere in shaping our perception and feelings within a space is also discussed. Our experiences of atmosphere are subjective and can vary from person to person. Considering our own preferences and emotions when designing an atmosphere is important.Creating a mood is identified as the key to designing an atmosphere. The function of a room should be considered before deciding on the desired mood. Being authentic and intentional in the design process is emphasized, and a list of moods is offered as a downloadable for inspiration.  DM for the list!The episode concludes with a quote by architect Louis Bargon, highlighting the role of architecture in creating aesthetic emotion and promoting well-being. This quote reinforces the idea that atmosphere is not just about aesthetics, but also about creating a space that enhances our emotional well-being.yourPARO website: www.yourparo.comFREE RESOURCES yourPARO Weekly: www.yourparo.com/weeklyBathroom Serenity Guide www.yourparo.com/bathroom-serenityLiving Room Essentials Guide: www.yourparo.com/living-room-know-howyourPARO mini series waitlist: www.yourparo.com/miniseriesNico' Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nico_smutylo/yourPARO Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/yourparo/

Robby & Jonathan are joined by past The Hole Story Podcast guests Donald Taylor, Bradley Funderburk, and David Kirsch to discuss the upcoming 2023 Ryder Cup. We talk about the US and European teams, potential matchups, the Marco Simone Golf Course in Rome, and give our predictions. We hope you enjoy the first BestBall Roundtable. 

Jonathan & Robby are joined by one of the best junior golfers in the state of Tennessee and in the Southeast. 11-year old Eli Kirsch (@elikirschgolf) and David (his dad) talk about the junior golf scene, some of their favorite courses, and the joy of playing golf together. 

It's the new year and many of you are razor focused on getting healthy, losing weight, and getting in shape. Unfortunately, by the end of March, 85% will give up on their New Year's resolution. SPONSORED BY CARDIOMIRACLE: The most advanced heart-healthy nitric oxide booster in the world, with 50+ whole food nutrients. CardioMiracle.com [use promo code "CardioNow!" for 20% discount] Joining us today is David Kirsch, a leading authority on how to improve your health at any age or fitness level. Trusted by many a-list celebrities, athletes, and influencers, David has become the go-to for getting into shape and staying there. He's the go-to when celebrities want to get into shape, including Jennifer Lopez, Heidi Klum, Kate Upton, Kerry Washington, and Linda Evangelista, just to name a few.Through his books, fitness videos, and healthy recipes and supplements, David gives you the blueprints to attaining optimal losing weight (and here's the key) keeping it off!

It's the new year and many of you are razor focused on getting healthy, losing weight, and getting in shape.  SPONSORED BY CARDIOMIRACLE: The most advanced heart-healthy nitric oxide booster in the world, with 50+ whole food nutrients. CardioMiracle.com [use promo code "CardioNow!" for 20% discount] It's the new year and many of you are razor focused on getting healthy, losing weight, and getting in shape. Unfortunately, by the end of March, 85% will give up on their New Year's resolution. SPONSORED BY CARDIOMIRACLE: The most advanced heart-healthy nitric oxide booster in the world, with 50+ whole food nutrients. CardioMiracle.com [use promo code "CardioNow!" for 20% discount] Joining us today is David Kirsch, a leading authority on how to improve your health at any age or fitness level. Trusted by many a-list celebrities, athletes, and influencers, David has become the go-to for getting into shape and staying there. He's the go-to when celebrities want to get into shape, including Jennifer Lopez, Heidi Klum, Kate Upton, Kerry Washington, and Linda Evangelista, just to name a few.Through his books, fitness videos, and healthy recipes and supplements, David gives you the blueprints to attaining optimal losing weight (and here's the key) keeping it off!

Matt Matern and Dr. David Kirsch discuss the history and future of electric vehicles (EVs). Initially, EVs lost to gasoline cars due to consumer preferences, technological challenges, and better infrastructure for gasoline. Renewed interest in EVs during the 1960s-70s faced additional technological and political hurdles. Today, EVs are mainstream, with Norway leading the way and the U.S. making progress. Dr. Kirsch emphasizes the need for improved infrastructure, the potential of hydrogen technology, and policies that favor efficient EVs. Transitioning to clean transportation will require collaborative efforts.

Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, professors of entrepreneurship and strategy at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, talk about their book, Bubbles and Crashes: The Boom and Bust of Technological Innovation, with Peoples & Things host Lee Vinsel. Bubbles and Crashes puts forward a parsimonious model of how and when economic bubbles develop around new technologies. In the conversation, Goldfarb and Kirsch reflect on a variety of topics, including why it matters that Elon Musk is such a good story teller, whether we are currently in a technology bubble, and what we can do to prevent bubbles in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network

Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, professors of entrepreneurship and strategy at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, talk about their book, Bubbles and Crashes: The Boom and Bust of Technological Innovation, with Peoples & Things host Lee Vinsel. Bubbles and Crashes puts forward a parsimonious model of how and when economic bubbles develop around new technologies. In the conversation, Goldfarb and Kirsch reflect on a variety of topics, including why it matters that Elon Musk is such a good story teller, whether we are currently in a technology bubble, and what we can do to prevent bubbles in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/economics

Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, professors of entrepreneurship and strategy at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, talk about their book, Bubbles and Crashes: The Boom and Bust of Technological Innovation, with Peoples & Things host Lee Vinsel. Bubbles and Crashes puts forward a parsimonious model of how and when economic bubbles develop around new technologies. In the conversation, Goldfarb and Kirsch reflect on a variety of topics, including why it matters that Elon Musk is such a good story teller, whether we are currently in a technology bubble, and what we can do to prevent bubbles in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/science-technology-and-society

Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, professors of entrepreneurship and strategy at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, talk about their book, Bubbles and Crashes: The Boom and Bust of Technological Innovation, with Peoples & Things host Lee Vinsel. Bubbles and Crashes puts forward a parsimonious model of how and when economic bubbles develop around new technologies. In the conversation, Goldfarb and Kirsch reflect on a variety of topics, including why it matters that Elon Musk is such a good story teller, whether we are currently in a technology bubble, and what we can do to prevent bubbles in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/technology

Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, professors of entrepreneurship and strategy at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, talk about their book, Bubbles and Crashes: The Boom and Bust of Technological Innovation, with Peoples & Things host Lee Vinsel. Bubbles and Crashes puts forward a parsimonious model of how and when economic bubbles develop around new technologies. In the conversation, Goldfarb and Kirsch reflect on a variety of topics, including why it matters that Elon Musk is such a good story teller, whether we are currently in a technology bubble, and what we can do to prevent bubbles in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, professors of entrepreneurship and strategy at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, talk about their book, Bubbles and Crashes: The Boom and Bust of Technological Innovation, with Peoples & Things host Lee Vinsel. Bubbles and Crashes puts forward a parsimonious model of how and when economic bubbles develop around new technologies. In the conversation, Goldfarb and Kirsch reflect on a variety of topics, including why it matters that Elon Musk is such a good story teller, whether we are currently in a technology bubble, and what we can do to prevent bubbles in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  David Kirsch joins us again, this time as the President of The Optimist Club inside Hot Springs Village. Optimist International is determined to bring out the best in our youth, communities, and ourselves through hope and a positive vision. Their work is undoubtedly congruent with our show. We're fans of their creed. Thanks for giving us your time and attention. We hope you'll tell a friend about our show.   • Join Our Free Email Newsletter • Subscribe To The Podcast Anyway You Want • Subscribe To Our YouTube Channel (click that bell icon, too) • Join Our Facebook Group • Tell Your Friends About Our Show • Support Our Sponsors 

  David Kirsch is a current board member of The Computer Club of Hot Springs Village - soon to become The Technology & Computer Club of Hot Springs Village. He joins Dennis, also a current board member of the club, to talk about all things tech. Okay, maybe not "all" things, but many things that might spark your interest in another very active club inside Hot Springs Village. Here's how they describe themselves on their website. The Computer Club of Hot Springs Village (CCHSV), Arkansas is a private, non profit, 501(c)(3) organization formed in 1988 with a membership of over 300. Hot Springs Village, AR is the largest gated community in the United States covering 26,000 acres in the foothills of the Oauchita Mountains with a population of around 13,000. The Club endeavors to provide members an opportunity to gain knowledge of computer hardware and software through classes and speakers at monthly meetings. Our goal is to live up to our motto of Members Helping Members. Membership Membership is open to everyone and runs from January through December. The fee is $20 (includes all household members). Simply complete the membership application online, print, and mail or bring to a meeting along with your check. Board Board meetings are held on the second Monday of the month from 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. at the Village Church of Christ (VCOC) located at 210 Balboa Road. Enjoy the show.   • Join Our Free Email Newsletter • Subscribe To The Podcast Anyway You Want • Subscribe To Our YouTube Channel (click that bell icon, too) • Join Our Facebook Group • Tell Your Friends About Our Show • Support Our Sponsors 

Erik J. Olson chatted with David Kirsch, the Managing Partner at David Kirsch Law. David is a former Prosecutor and an accomplished Criminal Defense Attorney with many years of experience, practicing throughout the State of New York. His Office handles every type of case, from Petit Larceny, DWI/DUI, Narcotics related offenses, Assault, Burglary, Robbery, to Homicide. Learn from his expertise and what trends are helping grow his firm on this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast! —- Array Digital provides bold marketing that helps managing partners grow their law firms. arraylaw.com Follow us on Instagram: @array.digital Follow us on Twitter: @thisisarray Call us for a FREE digital marketing review: 757-333-3021 SUBSCRIBE to The Managing Partners Podcast for conversations with the nation's top attorneys.

Boris Johnson has been fined by the police for attending a birthday party thrown for him during a Covid lockdown. The prime minister confirmed he had paid the fixed penalty notice for going to the hour-long gathering in the Cabinet Room on 19 June 2020. Chancellor Rishi Sunak and the PM's wife were also fined for the same event, and confirmed they had paid. All three apologised for attending, but neither Mr Johnson or Mr Sunak offered to resign. Opposition parties are calling for the Commons, which is currently on Easter recess, to be recalled. Figures out on Tuesday showed Americans are being hit by higher prices of oil and many other products and services. Prices climbed at their highest rates since 1981, rising 8.5% over the year to the end of March. We hear from Steve H. Hanke, professor of applied economics at the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. Also in the programme, we look at Tesla and one influence on the company that is only now beginning to be noticed is that of fanbots - automated posts on Twitter that seem to be designed to move the share price - especially at times when the stock is under pressure. David Kirsch, a professor at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, explained how they had come to his attention. Plus - we travel to São Tomé and Príncipe, a country on the sharp end of climate change - the BBC's Tamasin Ford finds out how the island - the entirety of which is a massive volcano - is home to lush, tropical rainforest and some of the most important biodiversity in Africa; Príncipe is a UNESCO biosphere because of its unique environment. But despite being breathtakingly beautiful, it's poor with the smallest economy on the continent and around 90% of its budget comes from foreign donors, topped up by tourism - we hear how the pandemic has affected this vital part of the economy. Perhaps the biggest threat to the nation though is rising sea levels; in São Tomé and Principé, 4% of the land mass has already been lost to the Atlantic Ocean with entire houses being washed away; Tamasin visits one in Principé. The country is already doing what it can - more than two thirds of the islands are protected national parks and by the end of this year the government hopes to have written into law the country's first ever marine protected areas, but will it be enough? PHOTO: Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak

Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, professors of entrepreneurship and strategy at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business, talk about their book, Bubbles and Crashes: The Boom and Bust of Technological Innovation, with Peoples & Things host Lee Vinsel. Bubbles and Crashes puts forward a parsimonious model of how and when economic bubbles develop around new technologies. In the conversation, Goldfarb and Kirsch reflect on a variety of topics, including why it matters that Elon Musk is such a good story teller, whether we are currently in a technology bubble, and what we can do to prevent bubbles in the future.

Karl Fast is an independent scholar, information architect, and futurist. He's the co-author of Figure It Out: Getting From Information to Understanding alongside Stephen Anderson, who was featured in episode 39 of the show. In this conversation, Karl tells us about what interaction designers can learn from cognitive science. We had a lot to discuss, so this episode is the first of two on the subject. Show notes @karlfast on Twitter Karl Fast on LinkedIn Figure It Out: Getting From Information to Understanding by Stephen P. Anderson and Karl Fast Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman Stroop effect The Extended Mind by Andy Clark and David Chalmers Supersizing the Mind: Embodiment, Action, and Cognitive Extension by Andy Clark HCI Remixed: Essays on Works That Have Influenced the HCI Community, edited by Thomas Erickson and David W. McDonald On Distinguishing Epistemic From Pragmatic Action by David Kirsch and Paul Maglio (pdf) The Intelligent Use of Space by David Kirsch Hearing Gesture: How Our Hands Help Us Think by Susan Goldin-Meadow Things That Make Us Smart: Defending Human Attributes In The Age Of The Machine by Don Norman The Design of Everyday Things: Revised and Expanded Edition by Don Norman Hans Moravec Some show notes may include Amazon affiliate links. I get a small commission for purchases made through these links. Read the transcript Jorge: Karl, welcome to the show. Karl: Thanks for having me. Jorge: Well, I'm very excited to have you here. For folks who might not know you, would you mind, please, introducing yourself? About Karl Karl: Sure. So, my name is Karl Fast. I am a Canadian by birth and education and sentiment, and I have been working in information architecture and user experience design for about 25 years or so. I like to say now, I create systems for thinking in a world that is just jam-packed with information. And a lot of the questions I have, and the work that I do, are about how do we live well and how do we think well in a world where information is cheap and abundant and pervasive. But the same is also true for computation and the networks and all the different things that we use to bring these together. And we can see trend lines where we've got more technology, we're more dependent on it, it's everywhere. And the ways that we use that technology — the possibilities of it — are simply becoming richer and richer. And you can think back to the early days when we simply had a keyboard and a screen that was one color. And then we added a mouse. And then we had multiple colors. And then we get mobile and all of these types of things. I have worked as a practicing information architect. I have worked in startups, I have worked as a consultant. I have a Ph.D. in information science, and my work was on how to take digital libraries and how to design them so that they are more of a knowledge creation tool rather than just simply a document repository where you have to search and browse. How do we actually create knowledge from digital libraries, and how do we expand that potential? And then, I spent about seven years working as a professor of user experience design at Kent State University. And now I think of myself more as an independent scholar, and I do consulting work and writing. I also think of myself as practicing what I call "information futurism," of a sort — thinking about where information will go in terms of how we can use it as this resource. The last thing I would mention is that about a year ago, I co-published a book with Stephen Anderson. It's called Figure It Out: Getting From Information To Understanding. And some of the stuff I think we're going to talk about today is definitely part of that book. Jorge: Stephen was a guest on the show as well. Your book was one of my favorite reads from last year. It touches on many subjects that I believe more designers should know about. And you mentioned several of them during your introduction there. I'm very curious about the phrase "systems for thinking in a world"... I don't know if you use the word "flooded," but in a world that is inundated with information, right? Information Karl: Yeah, inundated, jam-packed. I think of information in a historical context. You know, in terms of civilization, really, that one way to look at civilization and information is that we have always tried to have more information. We have always developed new technologies for creating information, for recording it, for copying it, for distributing it, for organizing it, for sharing it, et cetera. And we have now — especially over the last 20, 30 years through digital technologies and through the internet — have just exploded the amount of information. And the other way to look at it, though, is we have lowered the cost, right? The cost of creating, publishing, distributing, searching, organizing. All of these types of things have been lowered. But just because we have information doesn't mean we also have understanding. And the cost of understanding still remains, I think in many cases, very high. One of the things that we're interested in in the book and my long-term interest here is: well, how do we change that cost structure around understanding? And I'm using that as a broad term to include things like planning, reasoning, thinking, sense-making, analyzing, decision-making — all of these more cognitively complex activities, which is, you know, more than say, "Oh, I'm just kind of skimming the headlines in the paper," or something like that. Systems for thinking Jorge: When you say systems for thinking, what does that mean? Like, what would a system for thinking be? Karl: Well, part of it is shifting language, as opposed to a formal definition of systems — or shifting our perspective. Many times, I think, if you work in design, you work in user experience, you make products. We tend to think about the application; we think about the device; we think about the website; we think about the content. We think about this thing — this artifact — out there, as opposed to all of the other things that could come into play. In that sense, I think we've often narrowed our views and sometimes often by necessity. But when we look at this long-term trajectory about where our technologies are going, we are going to see more and more opportunities to bleed these things out into the world, to connect to aspects of our physical environment, to connect to other people in richer ways. And we can also see this with augmented reality. We can see it with virtual reality. But we can also see it with artificial intelligence and robots. And what would it mean for a robot not to be just pursuing its own goals but to help pursue our goals as a true cognitive partner that has a physical presence? So these are big, big questions that I think that we need to be asking. And I think that a lot of the work that we do tends to be really focused on, well, I've got a rectangle with a lot of pixels. Jorge: What I hear implicit in what you're saying here is that for us to effectively design and create these systems that you're alluding to, like robots and AI, we have to somehow shift our understanding of the work we're doing beyond these rectangles composed of pixels. Karl: Yes, I think so. We need a broader toolkit. I like to talk about a broader conceptual toolkit. You know, we have a set of concepts that we use all the time when we are doing design when we are making things. But a lot of that language has been built up around a whole certain set of assumptions. So, let me give you an example of this. There's a paper that I was reading a couple of years ago about what researchers are calling mobile cognition. And they start with an observation that, in hindsight, is incredibly obvious. All these psychology studies we have — all these studies that are about how people think and how they work with information and make decisions. Think about all this stuff in, say, Thinking Fast And Slow, by Daniel Kahneman, right? Famous book. Well, basically pretty much every single one of those studies, the person is sitting down. But it turns out that there's a whole bunch of studies about, hey! When people stand up, when they walk around, things change. It actually activates different parts of our brains and opens things up. There's an example of this longstanding thing in psychology called the Stroop test. So this is where you're going to have a list of different names of colors, right? So red, yellow, blue. But sometimes the color is going to match the word, and sometimes it isn't. So, it's got to do two different things, and it's generally used as a measure of cognitive control. Can you focus your attention on the salient information, and can you come up with the correct answer? How many answers can you get correct, and can you do it quickly? Well, it turns out all the studies in the Stroop test, which is a standing thing in psychology, right? They were all done sitting down. So then somebody did a study where they said, "Okay, stand up." And they did better. So much of this, especially when we look at the research that we are building and the conceptual tools that we have, are all based on a set of assumptions that, when you see some of these things, you're like, "Oh, well, that's pretty obvious in hindsight!" But it's so obvious; we've kind of forgotten about it. Jorge: In the book, you talk about a distinction between the... I think you call it a brain-bound view of how the mind works versus a more expansive view. I think you call it the extended view. Is that what you're referring to here? Karl: Yeah. So, there's a famous paper by two philosophers, David Chalmers and Andy Clark. And in the mid-90s, I want to say 1996? They wrote a paper called The Extended Mind. And the idea of The Extended Mind is, well, where does the mind end? That's the question that they're really asking. And what they argue is that through cognitive science over the last 50 years and the rise of cognitive science starting in the late 1950s, come to equate the mind and the brain as the same thing. And they argue that they are not the same thing. That we shouldn't think of that, and to do that as very limiting. We can think the brain certainly ends inside the skull. But the mind, they argue, does not. We can think of the mind as extending out into the world. Now there are weak and strong forms of that argument. In the strong form of that argument, you would say that when you are holding your phone, it is literally part of your mind. In the weak form, you would think of it more as a way for offloading. And there's a lot of debate around this. The extended mind is one idea within this broader notion that I think many listeners have heard of to some extent, which is this embodied cognition or embodiment for short. In the book, we use the word "embodiment" as sort of this broad shorthand, kind of in the way that in design circles, we use UX often as a sort of umbrella term, rather than getting into the nitty-gritty details of the difference between interaction design and information architecture and usability and content strategy, right? Each of those is important, but as a broader catchall, that people who aren't doing the detailed work — it's a label for them. And so, we use embodiment in the book as this broad-encompassing thing because within it, if you dip into the academic literature, you're going to hear: extended mind, distributed cognition, situated action, activity theory, and activism. There's a whole pile of these different ideas. The distinction between the brain-bound model of cognition and the extended-mind model of cognition is terminology that Andy Clark comes up with. He doesn't use it in that paper, but he's explored it in several books. And I believe that actual phrasing comes from a wonderful book he wrote — although it's a heavy book for sure — called Supersizing The Mind. Interactionism Jorge: Circling back to the Stroop test that you were talking about and how the test participants' performance in the test varied depending on whether they were standing or sitting, what that implies for me at least, is a need for greater consciousness about what my body is doing whenever I'm performing any kind of activity — especially a cognitively taxing activity. Is that fair? Karl: I think that's absolutely fair. I would also say that this is important for people who are making things, who are building the tools that we have. We talked a bit earlier about the word "systems." You asked me about that, and I tend to use it in somewhat a loose way to mean that you're not seeing just the app, just the website, just the device; you're seeing the body. You're seeing the physical space in which they are. But more importantly, you're seeing how all of these things are connected together and what connects them together, right? So, you are changing the unit of analysis. In the book, we described this as the "locus of understanding." Where is the locus of understanding? Is it the app? Is it in the brain? Or is it more connected to all of these things? And what is it that connects these things? In the way that I've come to see it, I have come to see interaction as the fundamental thing that connects all of these together. And I've come to believe that we have a relatively weak way of talking about interaction or an understanding of all of the ways that it happens. I don't think this is great terminology, but my current working term for this is "interactionism." It's a bit of a problematic word, which I wouldn't mind getting into if you don't mind. Jorge: Let's do it. But first, to be clear on what you're saying here: Am I right to understand that what you're saying is that interaction in this view is where the locus of understanding resides? Karl: No, I don't think so. I wouldn't say that. That is one thing that one can focus on it, and I don't think we see it very well. And I can give you some examples of why I think interaction is really important. I think it's often a case where we want to change the locus. Sometimes you do want to zoom down and be able to focus just on what's happening on the screen or the app. Sometimes you do want to focus more on what the body is. I tend to think about changing the locus; we need to also go wide. To look at all of those things, which we would normally see as independent and discreet and interaction as kind of this glue that binds them and makes them all function together as a bigger system. Sometimes through things which are explicit, sometimes through things which are implicit or have to be inferred, and if we do that I think we get a new language for what do we see when we're, say, doing a usability study? Or what do we see when we're doing ethnographic work? And how do we interpret that? Jorge: So would a fair reading then be that whenever we are designing for interaction — when we're doing interaction design — we are... Well, first of all, this lays a big responsibility on folks, right? Because somehow you're designing part of the person's cognitive apparatus, so to speak. Pragmatic and epistemic actions Karl: Sure, sure. But I mean, interaction design already talks about designing behavior, right? And you know, that means that you are shaping the things that people do and the ways that they are in the world. But we can also talk about it in terms of just facilitating certain types of interactions. So let's step back a little bit and tell you about a paper that I read. I've got this lovely book called HCI Remixed. Learned about it 15 years ago. And they asked a number of famous people, important scholars and researchers in the world of human-computer interaction about what was the one paper that really changed your thinking. And they didn't print those papers; they just asked everyone to write an essay about that paper and why it changed their thinking. And every time I pick this book up, I think to myself, "well, what's the paper that changed my thinking?" And the answer is really easy. It's the paper called On Distinguishing Epistemic From Pragmatic Action by a guy named David Kirsch, who is a cognitive scientist at UC San Diego and his grad student at the time, Paul Maglio. And this is a study about how people play Tetris, but it's easiest to understand it by thinking about how people play chess. So when people play chess, imagine that you want to move the Bishop. You pick the Bishop up, and you move it into position, but you keep your finger on it. And as you've moved it, you realize, "Uh oh. That's a bad move." So you move it back. From an interaction design perspective, or from HCI, we would say, "Oh, well, you have done two actions on the world. You move the piece. And then you pressed undo." That was, therefore, an inefficient action. It was not worth doing. We would even probably classify it as a mistake. And what Kirsch and Maglio say is, we should not think of all action as being the same. Action gets done for different reasons. And through this study of how people learn to play Tetris, right? They're using chess to illustrate this. They argue for distinction between two different types of actions, at least. So this example, they would talk about what would we call pragmatic action. And a pragmatic action is one in which you are making a change in the world, the point of which is to change the world. Jorge: Moving the Bishop to a different square. Karl: You're moving the Bishop to a different square. So if that moving of the Bishop is pragmatic, then it's an error. But we all know from having learned to play chess that that's not an error, right? And so, they argue that what you're really doing is: you are moving it, in this case, and once you have it in that position, you're like, "it's easier to see." And it is easier to see than to imagine that in your head. So, it's what they call an epistemic action. Epistemic as in epistemology, as in of or relating to how we know. So, epistemic actions are things that we do, changes we bring about in the world that make our mental computation — that make our thinking — easier? That make it faster, or that make it more reliable, to reduce the chance of making a mistake. And once you begin to think about epistemic actions, when you see actions this way, there are so many different examples of it. You see it all over the place. Because if we only had pragmatic actions, what would happen is you would… This is how you would play chess. This is how the ideal person should play chess: they should sit their stock-still and never move. And then, they should make the most physically efficient move possible to pick up a piece and move it into position with as little extraneous movement of the body as possible. Because there's a whole bunch of different things that we do that really can't be accounted for unless we... if everything is a pragmatic action. There are so many things we would say are completely superfluous. For example, consider gesturing with our hands. Why do we talk with our hands? There are some people who have looked at this question. There's a woman named Susan Goldin-Meadow. She published a book about, oh, it was about 15 years ago. It's called Hearing Gesture. And for 25 years basically — or more by this point — she has been asking this question: why do people talk with their hands? And there's a pretty obvious answer to this, right? You're like, "Oh, well, I'm using these gestures because I am creating information for you, the listener." These are things that are helpful. It's extra information, just like talking faster or talking slower or speaking loudly or talking softly. That conveys different information. And that's a good answer. And the research says, "Yep, that is absolutely part of the story." So, why do you talk with your hands when you're on the phone? Or, say, on a podcast? Because people do this. You can't see the other person, but people still make these gestures. So, one answer there — and I think a pretty good one — is, "Oh, well, it's a learned behavior." You're used to being around other people, right? So obviously, these gestures would carry over. Fine. What about someone who is blind? Why do they talk with their hands? Because studies of people who are not sighted — and who are born without sight — show that they also talk with their hands. They will also talk with their hands when they are talking to someone else who is blind. So imagine, right? You've got two people, neither of whom has ever seen a hand. They are talking back and forth. They are using hand gestures, which they know cannot be seen. And when they analyze them and classify them, it turns out that they're using very similar gestures when talking about the same kinds of concepts. There are lots of studies around this, like, say, comparing kids who are sighted and kids who are blind and how they use gestures when they have a reasoning task, and then they have to explain their reasoning to somebody else. And they both use similar kinds of gestures. The conclusion from all of these studies, at a high level, is that, yes, there is a component in which that communication is meant for someone else. That gesture is for the listener. But there is also a component in which that is directed inward. We actually use these gestures to shape and facilitate and kind of grease our internal cognitive mechanism. And you can see this the next time you go to a meeting, and you're called on to speak. Try sitting on your hands and see how well you talk. Nobody likes to do it. And people actually find this to be a struggle. Or go to a conference, right? We're talking towards later on in the COVID pandemic where we're not really at conferences. But you'll go to say a panel discussion, and somebody asks a question, and somebody might fumble, but what's going to happen, I guarantee it. They're going to start moving their hands, and then the words will just tumble out, and it's because the gesture has an internal component to it. That's what the research is pointing to. Jorge: What I hear there is that somehow the gesture is part of our thinking system. Karl: Yes. Jorge: How so? Like how does that work? And I want to go back to the Bishop. It's clear to me what the pragmatic action does in that case, but what does the epistemic action buy me? Maybe I put my fingers on the Bishop, lift it, and hover it over the board. Am I building some kind of more tangible mental model of possible moves? Karl: You are because... Well, what you're doing is you're taking things out of a "brain" space and putting them into a perceptual space, right? You're shifting that board. So you no longer have to see.... well, without that as an epistemic action, with the Bishop, you have to — in your mind — imagine what the board would look like if you move the Bishop into that position. But when you do it in a space, now it becomes a perceptual problem, and you can actually see it. And that is easier for us to do, especially when you're a beginner. You could say here, "well, expert chess players, grandmasters, they don't do that." And this is true. But the reason they don't is that they have practiced really, really hard for many, many years to get really good at it. And studies of chess players have shown that the cultural idea we have of chess as being this indicator of intelligence are really incorrect. What are chess players really, really smart at? They're really smart at playing chess, but that doesn't make them really smart at, say, astrophysics. The point of that is that there is always a point in some domain — no matter how expert you are — there's always some other area where your brain-based cognitive abilities have limitations. We always reach a point... it is... our brain is just simply overwhelmed. Don Norman said it really well, many, many years ago at the lovely book design Things That Make Us Smart. "The power of the unaided human mind is greatly exaggerated." And so one way to look at what we do in design is, like, that statement. We are building things to overcome and extend, augment, and amplify the powers of the human mind. But what embodiment is telling us is that we need to incorporate more things into that picture. And I think that's especially going to be true as our technologies improve and allow us to use more and more of our physical abilities, our interactive abilities, our interactive powers, to amplify that. Learning about embodiment Jorge: Well, it sounds like an area that designers — particularly designers who are working on the sort of digital systems that we run so much of our lives on — need to be aware of. And unfortunately, we're running out of time here. I feel like we might need a second conversation to dig more deeply into this, but where could folks follow up with this subject? Like where can they find out more about it? Karl: If I was to recommend one thing for people to go back to that is very readable as a good starter on this, I actually would point to Don Norman's book Things That Make Us Smart. He talks about these kinds of ideas in that book, and that book is almost 30 years old now. I feel that book has been hugely overshadowed by The Design of Everyday Things. He gives many different examples. He introduces the concept of what's called distributed cognition, which is a subset... What I think of as embodiment. One of the principles of distributed cognition is that cognition is embodied. The Tetris paper is considered to be a major paper within the world of distributed cognition. I would recommend looking at that paper, On Distinguishing Epistemic From Pragmatic Action, by David Kirsch. I don't recommend reading all of it. We talked about just the one example he used in that paper of chess as an analogy for explaining their findings. The focus of the paper is actually on how people play Tetris, and they developed a robotic Tetris player — a program to play Tetris — and compared it to how human beings play Tetris and looked at the differences between those two. And the robotic player was based on a classical, cognitive science model, where it's all based on you perceive, and then you think, and you act. So I think that's a really interesting place to look as well. David Kirsch also has another paper that I think is just fantastic, very readable. It is called The Intelligent Use of Space. And you can easily find this one online as well. And this is a particularly fascinating one because it's published not in a journal of cognition or a journal of design; it is published in a journal of artificial intelligence. It is presented as, I think, a really damning critique of AI and robotics. Because what he points out is that all of this stuff, cognitive science, AI, and also human-computer interaction, and thus UX, has built on classical cognitive science. And classical cognitive science says, "Hey! We perceive information from the world. Then we've got our mind — our brain — which does all this thinking work, the cognitive part. And then action is simply output." And embodiment is like, no, no, no. It's much more complicated than that. Thinking and perception and action and the world are all intertwined in many, many different kinds of ways. It's very much more complicated than that. And so he says, "look, if robotics is based on this idea, like, it doesn't use the space around it as part of the thinking." The first driving robot, there's a guy named Hans Moravec. I think that's his name. And he did some of the early work on robotic vehicles as a paper that he did for his, I think, for his Ph.D. dissertation. The way that he designed the robot, it would look, it would sort of scan the environment and then it would think for like, I don't know, 10, 15 minutes? Okay, so it would scan the environment like, okay, where all the different objects? And then it would think and plan out its movements for 10 or 15 minutes, and then it would move like up to about three feet, and then it would stop, and then it would scan the world again, and then it would move. Well, we don't work that way. Babies don't work that way. Like, no animal works that way. you might think, "Oh, well — that's the early eighties." Like, that's the way that it used to be. But this is still the way it is in robotics. A big project in AI has been how can you get robot arms to assemble a chair, like a chair from Ikea. Can you do it? This is considered to be like the moon landing equivalent in robotics. And so, a paper came out about four years ago that made kind of a splash. It was even on the front page of The New York Times. They went and bought two off-the-shelf robotic arms and then programmed them so that they could assemble a basic Ikea chair. And when you read the paper, it's like, wow, it did it in 20 minutes. A chair! Like, people are going to be out of work. But then you read the paper, and you realize that does not assemble chairs anything like human beings assemble chairs. So, they broke the problem down into three phases. The first phase is scanning the environment. They randomly scatter all the pieces of the chair around onto the surface. And the robot spends three seconds scanning to identify all the different pieces. Then it goes and makes a plan for how it's going to assemble a chair. It sits stock still for about... I think it's like eight or nine minutes just thinking, not moving. And then the next 11 minutes is executing the plan. So it makes this plan. "I'm going to pick this piece up, and then I'm going to rotate this arm, and then I moved the other arm, and I'm going to rotate that, I'm going to grab it over here..." And that's how it works. It's this whole idea of perception, and then cognition is thinking really hard inside the head, and then action is simply the output. This idea is buried really deep. And if we're going to build a future where we have robots as true partners — software AI as true collaborators — and we can begin to see human beings in the full dimensions of our cognitive abilities, right? Until we can do that kind of thing, I think we're always going to be limited as designers. And we know that our technologies are changing quite a bit. We can see all these things on the horizon. So, my question around this idea of interaction is, are we really prepared for that? And I don't think we are. Jorge: Karl, it seems like a great place to wrap it up, even though it's kind of in a question mark. It's a prompt for us to have a second conversation about this. Karl: Yeah. Then we can talk about rats and heroin! Closing Jorge: I like that. That would be interesting. I'm very curious now as to what you mean by that. But in the meantime, where can folks follow up with you? Karl: So, I tend to hide a little bit. I've especially been hiding the last six or seven years. I'm hoping that that is going to change over the next year or so. The main way to follow me probably is on Twitter. You can find me on Twitter; I'm @karlfast. That's K-A-R-L-F-A-S-T. Technically, I have a website, but it's like seven years out of date. You can also find me on LinkedIn. You can look me up there and send me a message. I will tend to respond to those two places; it just might take me a couple of weeks because I tend to be very slow. I'm not active on Twitter, really at all. But I will be notified, and I will generally respond. Jorge: Well, fantastic. I'm going to include links to all of those ways of getting in touch with you in the show notes, and I'm also going to include links to the papers and the resources that you mentioned above. Thank you so much for being with us today, Karl! Karl: Thank you for having me.

In den 1990er wurden die Spielautomaten aus den Restaurants und Bars im Kanton Zürich verbannt. Zu gross sei das Suchtpotential. Fast 30 Jahre später würde das neue Geldspielgesetz sie wieder zulassen - wenn auch mit Einschränkung. Eine Minderheit des Kantonsrat hat das Referendum ergriffen und so kommen die Spielautomaten am 13. Juni 2021 einmal mehr vors Zürcher Stimmvolk. Ursina Ingold hat mit beiden Seiten gesprochen. Bild: flickr.com/David Kirsch

David was a lawyer running 10 miles per day when he decided to change careers. Thousands of ripped people are happy he did. Hear how going from a runner's body to a competitive body builder in 6 months changed his career trajectory. His experience opening a boutique gym and why he closed it. How he decides on pricing and what makes people who could train with anyone rave about him.

We all create a wake: the downstream turbulence of us. Treat unintended consequences as welcomed guests. Catalog & learn from them. Brief episode with Health Hats Blog subscribers: Listen to the podcast here. Scroll down through show notes to read the post. Subscribe to Health Hats, the Podcast, on your favorite podcast player Please support my podcast. CONTRIBUTE HERE Episode Notes Prefer to read, experience impaired hearing or deafness? Find FULL TRANSCRIPT at the end of the other show notes or download the printable transcript here Contents with Time-Stamped Headings to listen where you want to listen or read where you want to read (heading. time on podcast xx:xx. page # on the transcript) The downstream turbulence of us 00:53. 1 Unintended consequences. That's COVID life. 02:41. 1 Disasters and public health 04:45. 1 Various unintended consequences 05:58. 2 Reflection 08:12. 2 Please comments and ask questions at the comment section at the bottom of the show notes on LinkedIn via email DM on Instagram or Twitter to @healthhats Credits Music by permission from Joey van Leeuwen, Boston Drummer, Composer, Arranger Sponsored by Abridge Photo by Bee Calder on Unsplash Thanks to these fine people who inspired me for this episode: Jane Sarasohn-Kahn, Robert Doherty, Dorothy Cuccinelli, Dick Argys, Caryl Carpenter, Suzanne Feeney Links Jane Sarasohn-Kahn, Health Populi (amazing, day-in and day-out), The She-Cession – a Financially Toxic Side-Effect of the Coronavirus Pandemic. Moving to Flood Plains The Unintended Consequences of the National Flood Insurance Program on Population Flows Mark Twain and the Paige Typesetter Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, Bubbles and Crashes Edward Tenner's TED Talk, Unintended Consequences How to start a movement Related podcasts and blogs https://health-hats.com/make-a-ruckus-podcasting/ https://health-hats.com/superpowers/ https://health-hats.com/more-journal-for-best-health/ About the Show Welcome to Health Hats, learning on the journey toward best health. I am Danny van Leeuwen, a two-legged, old, cisgender, white man with privilege, living in a food oasis, who can afford many hats and knows a little about a lot of healthcare and a lot about very little. Most people wear hats one at a time, but I wear them all at once. We will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to life's realities in the awesome circus of healthcare. Let's make some sense of all this. To subscribe go to https://health-hats.com/ Creative Commons Licensing The material found on this website created by me is Open Source and licensed under Creative Commons Attribution. Anyone may use the material (written, audio, or video) freely at no charge. Please cite the source as: ‘From Danny van Leeuwen, Health Hats. (including the link to my website). I welcome edits and improvements. Please let me know. danny@health-hats.com. The material on this site created by others is theirs and use follows their guidelines. The Show The downstream turbulence of us We all create a wake - the downstream turbulence of us, think a boat or a duck. Many people don't realize they leave a wake behind them.  Those that do rely on family, friends, co-workers, and coaches to let them know about that wake so they can mitigate (lessen) the impact of these unintended consequences of being. In the '90s at Value Behavioral Health in Troy, NY, Jim Bulger, my mentor and best boss ever, often spoke to me about my wake. Another great boss and mentor, Bob Doherty, at St. Peter's Addiction Recovery Center told me, with love, that I was an acquired taste. I learned that I needed a boss with self-confidence to value me and my wake.  My 9-year-old grandson, the writer, read to me from a book he wrote about wizards using wands. I asked him how using a wand affected the wizard. He said, ‘sometimes powers can come back up the wand to t...

We all create a wake: the downstream turbulence of us. Treat unintended consequences as welcomed guests. Catalog & learn from them. Brief episode with Health Hats Blog subscribers: Listen to the podcast here. Scroll down through show notes to read the post. Subscribe to Health Hats, the Podcast, on your favorite podcast player Please support my podcast. CONTRIBUTE HERE Episode Notes Prefer to read, experience impaired hearing or deafness? Find FULL TRANSCRIPT at the end of the other show notes or download the printable transcript here Contents with Time-Stamped Headings to listen where you want to listen or read where you want to read (heading. time on podcast xx:xx. page # on the transcript) The downstream turbulence of us 00:53. 1 Unintended consequences. That’s COVID life. 02:41. 1 Disasters and public health 04:45. 1 Various unintended consequences 05:58. 2 Reflection 08:12. 2 Please comments and ask questions at the comment section at the bottom of the show notes on LinkedIn via email DM on Instagram or Twitter to @healthhats Credits Music by permission from Joey van Leeuwen, Boston Drummer, Composer, Arranger Sponsored by Abridge Photo by Bee Calder on Unsplash Thanks to these fine people who inspired me for this episode: Jane Sarasohn-Kahn, Robert Doherty, Dorothy Cuccinelli, Dick Argys, Caryl Carpenter, Suzanne Feeney Links Jane Sarasohn-Kahn, Health Populi (amazing, day-in and day-out), The She-Cession – a Financially Toxic Side-Effect of the Coronavirus Pandemic. Moving to Flood Plains The Unintended Consequences of the National Flood Insurance Program on Population Flows Mark Twain and the Paige Typesetter Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, Bubbles and Crashes Edward Tenner’s TED Talk, Unintended Consequences How to start a movement Related podcasts and blogs https://www.health-hats.com/make-a-ruckus-podcasting/ https://www.health-hats.com/superpowers/ https://www.health-hats.com/more-journal-for-best-health/ About the Show Welcome to Health Hats, learning on the journey toward best health. I am Danny van Leeuwen, a two-legged, old, cisgender, white man with privilege, living in a food oasis, who can afford many hats and knows a little about a lot of healthcare and a lot about very little. Most people wear hats one at a time, but I wear them all at once. We will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to life's realities in the awesome circus of healthcare. Let's make some sense of all this. To subscribe go to https://www.health-hats.com/ Creative Commons Licensing The material found on this website created by me is Open Source and licensed under Creative Commons Attribution. Anyone may use the material (written, audio, or video) freely at no charge. Please cite the source as: ‘From Danny van Leeuwen, Health Hats. (including the link to my website). I welcome edits and improvements. Please let me know. danny@health-hats.com. The material on this site created by others is theirs and use follows their guidelines. The Show The downstream turbulence of us We all create a wake - the downstream turbulence of us, think a boat or a duck. Many people don’t realize they leave a wake behind them.  Those that do rely on family, friends, co-workers, and coaches to let them know about that wake so they can mitigate (lessen) the impact of these unintended consequences of being. In the ’90s at Value Behavioral Health in Troy, NY, Jim Bulger, my mentor and best boss ever, often spoke to me about my wake. Another great boss and mentor, Bob Doherty, at St. Peter’s Addiction Recovery Center told me, with love, that I was an acquired taste. I learned that I needed a boss with self-confidence to value me and my wake.  My 9-year-old grandson, the writer, read to me from a book he wrote about wizards using wands. I asked him how using a wand affected the wizard. He said,

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This podcast I am interviewing one of my favorite people, David Kirsch. He has trained A listers including J-Lo, yes, I said J-Lo, Heidi Klum Kate Upton, Kerry Washington and Anne Hathaway. With over two decades of experience. David is all about uncovering and harnessing the powerful connection between mind, body and spirit, David’s holistic approach to wellness, encompassing a disciplined exercise, nutrition and supplements regimen, is rooted in his philosophy of “Sound Mind, Sound Body” – achieving harmony of mind, body and spirit. His other books include The Ultimate New York Body Plan and the Ultimate Family Wellness. He is an amazing dad and a man who walks his talk.

Organizational culture is a passion for David Kirsch, Business Consultant, Trainer at Simplitude. Having adopted and implemented the Coaching Kata, he utilizes this to help organizations stimulate a culture towards continuous improvement. For Joyoti Banerji, helping organizations design and implement their workplace culture to create the desired business outcomes is what drives her in her work as a consultant. She wants to help companies find what they are doing wrong with their cultures so that they can correct them and move forward with successful results. 

Organizational culture is a passion for David Kirsch, Consultant & Trainer at Simplitude. Having adopted and implemented the Coaching Kata, he utilizes this to help organizations stimulate a culture towards improvement. For Joyoti Banerji, helping organizations design and implement their workplace culture to create the desired business outcomes is what drives her. She wants to help companies find what they are doing wrong so that they can correct them and move forward with successful results. This show is brought to you by Talk 4 Radio (http://www.talk4radio.com/) on the Talk 4 Media Network (http://www.talk4media.com/).

On today's EXTRA episode, Dr. Brent Goldfarb and David Kirsch, both professors at the Robert H. Smith School of Business and co-authors of Bubbles and Crashes: the boom and bust of technological innovation, discuss the cyclical nature of the tech innovation environment. Other topics on deck include their recent book, what happens when an economy crashes, and how to salvage your business in troubling economic times.

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Celebrity trainer David Kirsch tackles fitness while traveling.

Celebrity trainer David Kirsch tackles fitness while traveling.