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In this episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Catherine speaks to the very real, heavy anxiety Jesus addressed in His disciples—anxiety that was understandable, even “well-founded.” And she names something crucial: many believers feel condemned for having fear, as if anxiety proves they’re failing at faith. But trouble in the heart isn’t a shame sentence—it’s an invitation to encounter God again and let His presence re-order your inner world. Catherine weaves together three anchors for your nervous system and your spirit: John 14:1 (Amplified, Classic)—Jesus calls you out of turmoil and into trust; John 14:27 (Amplified, Classic)—He gives His own peace, not a fragile substitute; and Mark 4:35–40 (TPT)—Jesus doesn’t just calm storms, He confronts the fear underneath them. She also reminds us that fruit like love, joy, peace, patience, and self-control grows as we “remain” in Him—and that while our awareness can wax and wane, God stays rock-steady and present. Real talk: Problems don’t always resolve on the timeline you’d script. Jesus said tribulation is part of this world. But God is faithful in the long game of love—redeeming, strengthening, and carrying you through what you didn’t choose. If your heart is troubled today, you’re not disqualified… you’re being met. Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You - https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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Homicide historian David Kulczyk releases 1926—Murder in America—New and Expanded Edition for the 100th anniversary of the deadliest year in American history.While researching his seven true crime books, Kulczyk noticed that there was an extraordinary number of oddball murders during the year 1926. The 1920's was a time of massive cultural and technological changes. The death and destruction of World War l dope -slapped the collective mindset of the youth of America and 1926 was the year that Americans all over the country said screw it. And screw it they did.......Mixing too much bootleg booze, marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, with fast cars, sex, and jazz music can only lead to trouble. The number of allegedly normal people committing ghastly murders in 1926 is astounding. It is like a switch got turned on and some people went mad unlike any other time in American history. Originally released in 2019, Kulczyk discovered even more murders that occurred in 1926, hence this anniversary edition of the most insane year in American history. 1926—MURDER IN AMERICA—David Kulczyk

Can God’s love really be this good—or is that just sentimental fantasy? In this episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Catherine goes straight into the heart of a jaded, skeptical age and shows how God’s love is actually the most realistic thing in the universe. Drawing from John 18, John 1, John 17, John 6, Hebrews 4, and the parable of the sower in Matthew 13, she explores how truth (aletheia) is not just a concept, but a Person—Jesus—who comes full of grace and truth to bring spiritual healing to our wounded, distrustful hearts. When life has been brutal, “realism” can start to look like cynicism: we call it wisdom, but inside we’ve lost wonder, childlikeness, and the ability to hope. Catherine gently exposes how unbelief, jadedness, and skepticism are heart conditions, not moral failures—and how they keep us from experiencing God, hearing His voice, and stepping into the spiritual transformation we’re actually hungry for. She unpacks the different “soils” of the heart: hardened paths, shallow gravel, thorny distractions, and finally good, rich soil that receives the seed of God’s word and bears real fruit. You’ll discover how seeing God as punisher wrecks mental health, while seeing Him as He truly is—Healer, Lover, Truth Himself—brings freedom, sanity, and joy. This is about identity in Christ and learning to be teachable again, to trade “I’ve seen it all” for blissful eyes and delighted ears that can receive fresh revelation in a skeptical world. Practical takeaway:
Ask Holy Spirit to highlight one area where you’ve become jaded, skeptical, or shut down. Write it down, and pray: “Jesus, I believe—help my unbelief. Heal this part of my heart and make it good soil for Your truth.” Revisit this with Him over the coming days and notice what begins to soften. Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You - https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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In this special episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Pilates icons Brooke Siler and Maria Earle for a deeply personal conversation that goes far beyond the reformer. As they celebrate the 25th anniversary of The Pilates Body, they reflect on career evolution, friendships formed during lockdown, and the courage it takes to become more embodied as our bodies change. From life as expats to the intentional decision to redefine a global Pilates classic, this episode is a reminder that strength, trust, and confidence are built from the inside out. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Maria and Brooke's friendship deepened during global lockdown.Why the Pilates Body aesthetic needed to be questioned and reframed.What a Pilates body truly means beyond appearance and performance.Rediscovering Joe Pilates' original archival work to guide embodied movement.Owning grit and sustained effort instead of attributing success to luck.Episode References/Links:The Pilates Body Book, Revised and Expanded Edition by Brooke Siler - https://beitpod.com/pilatesbodyrevisedBrooke Siler's Website - https://www.brookesilerpilates.comBrooke Siler's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/brookesilerpilatesMaria Earle's Website - https://www.mariaearle.comMaria Earle's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/maria_earleLocal Bookstores - https://bookshop.orgReturn to Life Through Contrology by Joseph Pilates - https://a.co/d/0eqSRfGNGuest Bio:Brooke Siler began her Pilates training in 1994 under Joseph Pilates' protégée Romana Kryzanowska at Drago's Gym in New York City where she spent a decade studying under Romana's masterful tutelage. She opened her award-winning Manhattan studio, re:AB Pilates, in 1997 and was quickly embraced by Hollywood's A-list from Madonna to Dustin Hoffman, but Brooke is probably best known for penning the New York Times' best-seller The Pilates Body. The Pilates Body has become the highest grossing Pilates book of all time and she has followed it with titles: Your Ultimate Pilates. Body Challenge, The Pilates Body Kit, The Women's Health Big Book of Pilates and the Pilates Weight Loss for Beginners dvd. In 2021 Brooke launched her long-awaited, passion-product, The Tensatoner™! Brooke has studied anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, fascial networks and cadaver dissection with teachers: Tom Myers (Anatomy Trains), chiropractic physician Dr. Joe Muscolino (Know The Body), Leslie Kaminoff & Amy Matthews (Yoga Anatomy) and podiatristMaria Earle is an internationally recognized Pilates educator known for her warm, charismatic teaching style and deeply embodied approach to movement. With more than 27 years of experience in Pilates and wellness, she draws from decades of hands-on teaching, studio ownership, and advanced education to guide practitioners toward sensation-led, authentic practice. Based in Barcelona, Maria leads postgraduate teacher trainings and online education through her Digital Studio, supporting movers at every stage of life. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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It's about this reframing what it is to be in our bodies and to embodied and to celebrate all the different phases. I mean, my size has never defined me.Lesley Logan 0:27  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:10  All right, Be It babe, this is magical. If you had told me when I saw this podcast, I would have in this conversation, I would have like, no, what are you talking about? So while we normally don't talk a lot about Pilates on this podcast, everything is kind of Pilates to me. I have two incredible, humongously wonderful, brilliant, the biggest hearts of the entire world teachers on today's podcast, and we are going to talk about friendships and life and having brave conversations and and how do you accept an invitation to make an impact about something that is bigger than you? And this is really wonderful conversation. And so Maria Earle and Brooke Siler are our guests today, and we were talking about The Pilates Body book. And I'm honored. I can't believe I'm pinching myself that just fucking happened. I can't believe it. I can't believe I just got off like, two-hour chat with these wonderful women. What is my life? So anyways, I can't wait for you to hear this, and I do think it is a honest conversation about bodies and women and the things we go through. And I hope you love it and that you send it to a friend who needs to hear it, and you know, you tell us all about your favorite parts of it. Here they are. Lesley Logan 2:23  All right, Be It babe, we have like a dynamic duo. I'm not gonna lie, I also totally screwed something up when hitting getting everything ready, because I was so nervous and so excited, because I'm obsessed with both these women, I get to fan girl over them to their faces, which is very fun for me. So Maria and I got to officially meet in in Seoul Korea, but I had been following Maria Earle for a long time, and just watching she's just like, so graceful and so amazing and just wonderful everything she does. And I'm just like, I'm not graceful at all, but I just absolutely adored her. And I love like, I've spent time with her in Seoul, Korea, and so I feel like we'll always have a night in Seoul together. And then Brooke Siler, okay, so I went to, and you might not know this about me, Brooke, but I actually went to Pilates class, kind of kicking and screaming. I thought of that class was like a bunch of BS workout. I told the girl, it's an infomercial workout. It can't do what it claims, but I needed a friend. So I went to the class. And I was obsessed. Became obsessed with this class. I was like, oh, it was the most amazing thing I've ever done in my entire life. And I worked at South Coast Plaza, and I went to the bookstore, and I went to the fitness section, and I bought the Pilates book that was there, it was your book, I took it home, and I did every exercise like in the book. I started going to Pilates every single day. And you had a second book, and I bought that one. I was on the treadmill, like walking, like I was lifted, like I was obsessed. And then some, I moved to L.A., and someone's, like, can you be my Pilates instructor and like, kind of, you know, the internet and social media wasn't really a thing then. And then, fast forward to, I believe it was January of 2020, you were in L.A., and I was like, I have to go to this workshop. She doesn't know I'm so obsessed with her. And I went to the workshop and you taught an exercise a certain way that I had been teaching it that way, and I had no one had taught it to me like that, but I had just figured out like, and I pull straps I want my inner thighs up because it helps me get my butt on, helps me all these things. And you said it, and I was like, oh my God, I'm so validated right now. So anyways, I just had to tell you that, because, like, I you, like, even though I knew it was great, I just, like, needed someone like you to say it. I was like, this is amazing. So. Brooke Siler 4:31  Your little backup. Lesley Logan 4:32  Yeah, a little backup. So anyways, you've been part of my, like, be it till I see it as a Pilates person my whole life, and you and, like, for at least 20 years, and you didn't know it. But now I get to have the two of you on the Be It Till You See It podcast. So we'll start with Brooke. Brooke, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Brooke Siler 4:48  Yes. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having us. Me, us both. I, yeah, really excited to even have a conversation. I love being in a room with smart women. There's nothing better, really. So my name is Brooke Siler, as Lesley has already told you, I am an author. I'm a teacher. I started teaching in 1994 and then in 2000 I wrote the Pilates body, and it's been that fantastic 15 minutes of fame that has just gone on and on and on for me. I just am super blessed, super grateful. And yeah, I think that's who I am.Lesley Logan 5:25  Oh, my God, yeah, yeah. Then there's, I mean, like, when you have to, like, distill yourself down into a nutshell life, but it is, absolutely, we'll have to get into the 15 minutes of fame that keeps on giving you know for decades. Maria Earle, what do you rock at babe? Maria Earle 5:40  Hi. Also, thank you for putting this together. It's fun to be here with you two. So my name is Maria Earle, and I am a Pilates educator, and have been teaching Pilates since 1997 walked into the first Pilates studio a few years before that, and just never stopped. Anyway, I I'm based in Barcelona, Spain, and prior to that, I lived in New York City and had a Pilates studio for about eight years on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and took a big leap of faith and moved abroad about 15 years ago, which it's funny when you put a number to it, but, yeah.Lesley Logan 6:29  I know, I know I feel really young until I realize how long I've been doing something. I'm like, oh, I mean, I'm still young, but also we aged in there.Maria Earle 6:38  So yeah, I have a Pilates studio here, and I run post graduate teacher training courses and online things. And, you know, trying to live my best life, basically.Lesley Logan 6:52  Yeah, do the best you can. Like, do the whole balance thing they all tell us to do. You're like, balance gotta work, the balance of work and life. And, you know, you have kids too, right, Maria? Maria Earle 7:01  I have one, though it feels like multiples, but there is only one. I'm like, yeah, yeah, there's one. Lesley Logan 7:10  Yeah, oh my gosh, okay, well, so I guess we can go, you know, we can go anywhere we want, but I actually would love to hear how the two of you got connected, because part of me goes like, did you know each other in New York? And the other part of me is like, so jealous when I hear that you've been doing Pilates since the 90s, like, I would wonder what my life would have been like had I learned it sooner. I'm always so jealous of people who did it in the 90s.Maria Earle 7:36  Yeah. You call that Golden Age.Brooke Siler 7:38  It really was. It really was a golden, I feel like it was, yeah, it was a Golden Age. Pilates. (inaudible) I feel like Maria and I maybe have orbited each other, because we seem to have been in a lot of the same places at the same times, but we didn't actually meet each other, until just 20, what did we determine it was? 2018?Maria Earle 8:01  2019Brooke Siler 8:02  2019 in Barcelona. I came over to teach a workshop at a studio there, and Maria was there, and she was Maria (inaudible) and it was her birthday, and I was like, oh, loud American, oh my gosh, in Spain, in this little studio. And, yeah, we, I, we just kind of got to chatting, but we didn't do much after that, did we? For a while.Maria Earle 8:28  We talked, I think we talked a few times, because we know are we allowed to say this about you living abroad already. Brooke Siler 8:36  I mean, I live abroad. Maria Earle 8:37  That's not a that's not a .Brooke Siler 8:39  No, it's not a secret. No, I live in the U.K.Maria Earle 8:42  So yeah, I think. Lesley Logan 8:44  What if Brooke is like, don't tell anyone I live in the U.K.Brooke Siler 8:50  I'm the witness protection program. But other than that.Maria Earle 8:53  Witness protection program, I was like, I don't know. You know, I'm not gonna. Anyway, so yeah, (inaudible) exactly. I think we connected. I mean, not only do we connect over, you know, Pilates or whatnot, but I think there was, like a real like, wait, you live in the U.K.? And you were like, wait, you live here now? We were both kind of like, well, what are you doing? What? And so there was, I think, you know, I remember a number of phone calls where we were talking about, you know, the, the challenge of, you know, uprooting your life. And in later years, you know, I mean, I didn't move here with children, but Brooke moved with children, and basically. Brooke Siler 9:41  Yeah, mine were nine and 11 when we moved. Maria Earle 9:43  You know, she needed to start running, like, from the get go. She needed to have all the things together, right? I, I moved here as a single person going, lalala. This is great. This is fun. And then, you know, sort of built my life deciding like, oh, I'm really going to stop. Here, and I'm going to make a life here for myself. And, you know, I've never looked back.Lesley Logan 10:07  Yeah, I think that's so I think this is so interesting, like, because we have a lot of people write in, like, how do you make friends when you're older? Like, I've moved and I think, like, that was obviously shared experiences. Like, you go somewhere, like everyone did you hear they went to a thing that they both are interested in, but then you you connect on another level. Like, I think that's the important part of like, having a friendship. Like, you have to, can't just be like, oh, we just go to Pilates class together. Like, there has to be this other shared thing. And it's like, oh, we're both expats, and we both had to, like, start a whole new life somewhere. And I'd imagine Brooke that it's quite challenging to do that with two kids, like, I imagine, like, because you had already written the book by then, the original Pilates Body Book, and then you move. And so then you're like, you have a whole life. You're a best selling author, and then you're like, a mom trying to get two kids into school.Brooke Siler 10:54  Actually, that was the whole point was I had been kind of this, the Pilates Body author, since 29 years old, 30 years old, right? So I was like, Who? And I started Pilates at 26 years old. So here I was 46 or something. I was like, who am I without this? Like, half my life has been this. Can I just be a mom? So when I moved here, I came with my husband's name, like, I was like, I'm not gonna say Siler, I'm not going to tell anyone I do Pilates. My stuff was in the garage. Like I am to be mom, and that's what I can't or mom, my kids totally do not have English accents, but so, yeah, that's what I was going to do. So I joined the PTA because I'm that person, and I, yeah, I made like, you know, we went to the pub and did the pub quizzes and did all that stuff while the kids were in school. I was mama, and of course, then what did I end up doing, teaching the teachers Pilates for free. I was like, hey, let me come and give you guys Pilates because you I like, how do you do this with kids that's so challenging. Let me do something for you. So I came and started teaching every Friday, giving them Pilates session, you, I can't get away. You can't get away from it like it's who you are. If you're a teacher, you're a teacher, and if your art is is Pilates. Like, you know, I feel like my, my vocation is teacher, and my, my medium is Pilates, you know.Lesley Logan 12:15  I understand that. I think like I, you were all going to teach something that happened, that we, you know, someone probably told all of us that we should become a teacher, and we're like, okay, I'll do that thing. Yeah, yeah.Brooke Siler 12:29  Pulled me back in. And it wasn't till lockdown. That's when Maria and I really came together, and that's when, yeah, my whole Pilates World opened right back up again.Lesley Logan 12:40  Interesting. So, like, did you guys? Because, I mean, obviously we've heard, like, I think it was Esther Peral was, like, the Covid was, like, the great accelerator, like, if you were gonna do something, it was gonna, you were gonna do it, and it's gonna do it faster. So you're either gonna, like, if you're gonna break up with someone, you broke up with them faster. If you were, like, Brad and I, we picked up our life and moved as well, and I did it three years earlier than we thought we ever could. And, and, and so, like, was that the great accelerator for your friendship? Was it a way that you guys got deeper because there was not as many distractions? How did that go?Brooke Siler 13:09  Yeah, what do you think Maria?Maria Earle 13:11  I think so. I mean, I so agree with the great accelerator. I mean, I always think about, I mean, for our friendship, for sure, but also, you know, stepping into, stepping into newness, in terms of professionally, stepping into things that, otherwise, you know, it was the kind of the kick in the ass that I needed for a number of things that I'm totally happy to talk about. Lesley Logan 13:36  Yeah.Brooke Siler 13:38  (inaudible) About it because we were, like a little women's group. There was four of us.Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, okay, if I obviously, what happens in a women's group stays in women's group. But like, if there's something we can talk about from women's group, I would love to because I think this is where, this is where a lot of women I find our listeners are, they can get really lonely, or they they want community, and they seek community, but then, you know, someone doesn't show up to something, and it gets easy to take it personally. Like, how did you guys have a women's group, and what did you just talk about?Brooke Siler 14:07  It was, it was a movement. I mean, we were working out together, is what it was. So, like, two, three times a week, we were working out together and.Maria Earle 14:15  And then doing a lot of chatting afterwards. (inaudible) Talk about, like, set your morning aside. I mean, like, don't book any clients until after 12. There is just, there's just too much that needs to pass.Brooke Siler 14:33  Everything, you know, everything that was happening in Covid that was so amplified was happening around us. And so we would sometimes, you know, we'd get on the we'd go to work out, but someone had had a morning, something had happened, someone had seen something and and we would, you know, tears and sharing, and yeah, we yeah, all the things happened, yeah, yeah. But it was an unlikely like, none of us really knew each other knew each other before. And, yeah, we're an interesting foursome, actually.Lesley Logan 15:03  I love but I love it because it's like, I think, you know, you said side of the time, and it just evolved naturally. But also, like, when women do get together and they're and they share that, and they can be vulnerable, you know, they say, like, you know, movement is how, like, we like, trauma can leave the body. We can heal the body. Like, it's so important. I have a yoga class that I go to, and the first few minutes are kind of somebody bitching about something, and then we get into the yoga and then by the time the yoga is over, whatever that was like, moved out of all of us. And then, and then you can wrap up the conversation, if somebody needs to. And I sometimes kind of wish it went an hour longer, you know, I can imagine what a wonderful way to, like, very therapeutic.Brooke Siler 15:44  There's the physical workout and the emotional workout. They both kind of conjoined. Maria Earle 15:50  Yeah and when you just, when you just commit to it, you just lock into it, and that just becomes your non negotiable. Like, that's just, that's just what I do on Tuesdays and Thursday mornings, like, you know, sometimes things would come up, but we.Brooke Siler 16:07  We're committed to one another, to ourselves and to one another. Lesley Logan 16:10  Yeah. And that's like, so, okay, this is the hard part, right? Because, like, we're all teachers here. And like, we have the clients who, like, you know, they want to come three times a week, and then they and then they book, you know, this coffee date and this thing. And then we have the teachers who also say they want these things, or the women who are like, not necessarily teachers, because this is not most of the people don't even do Pilates listeners. But like the people, like they're they want this, but it is a commitment, like it is an actual like, you are not just coming Tuesdays and Thursday mornings until noon, but you're making sure everyone in your life knows about it so that it's things do come up, but they're kind of rare, because there's rarely, like, an actual emergency that can't be done on another day, like, there's, you know. So how did you guys, like, how did did you tell, like, Maria you have a kid, did you tell your one kid and Brooke, I'm assuming your kids are a little older now, but like, were they aware that, like, hey, leave me alone. This is my private time. How did you get the commitment to be something you could come to without the pressures of, like, all the guilt of all being a mom?Maria Earle 17:07  I don't know. I blocked it out. Brooke Siler 17:09  Yeah, me too. What guilt? That was our time?Maria Earle 17:15  No, I don't know. It's funny because I actually, I.Brooke Siler 17:20  Also we have boys, I feel like that needs to be said (inaudible).Maria Earle 17:25  Yeah, maybe, I mean, you know, it could have been messy, like, I don't know, but I know that it was time, not only well spent, obviously, But it was time that was so important to me that I just, I figured out how to make it work. And, you know, maybe sometimes I could only log in for a little while, or, you know, sometimes I'd say, like, I gotta, I gotta go. I gotta go, you know, I I just, I want to, I want to check in. I want to say that I love you, and like, hi, but like, I have all this going on. I, that's it. That's all I got for you. They'd be like, you know, bye, we need just that little bit of like, you got this, you know. Lesley Logan 18:16  Well and it also it sounds so it sounds a little bit like one, you know, you needed it for yourselves, and like, you did that, and they were, like, unapologetic about that. And then two, you found the right people that would understand if you couldn't, and they wouldn't take it personally, and they wouldn't hold it against you. And I think that's where a lot of people have screwed up in their groups, of their friendships. It's like they kind of have kept people from a long time, and you know, like, aren't good at voicing what they need or or even knowing what they need. So then it, it gets muddled, and it becomes an uncomfortable situation.Brooke Siler 18:48  I'm I'm wondering now if maybe what worked in our favor was that we weren't friends beforehand, really. We kind of we, we solidified the friendship, but actually we grew the friendship in lockdown. So we were learning about each other. So it was not only the interest in showing up to move, but we were also interested, I think, you know, in each other and one another, and each one of us had so many amazing things happen to us. You know, Alicia started a podcast, and Karen, like, set up her studio. And, you know.Brooke Siler 19:18  Maria bought. Maria Earle 19:20  Oh yeah, I bought my studio (inaudible). Brooke Siler 19:23  We were there for for all these things, you know. And we could share, like, hey, what do you guys think? And each one of us so has a different kind of forte, and we just feel like the universe just kind of made that all happen. So, without too esoteric, it really was yeah meant to be we and we yeah I think it became that, like.Maria Earle 19:45  It became a rock.Brooke Siler 19:46  You do, yeah.Lesley Logan 19:48  Yeah, and then and, I mean, like, life the world is open. Have you been able to keep the Tuesday and Thursdays together, like you guys still hanging out? Brooke Siler 19:57  It became different. It's shape shifted. It's. Not the same. It's more like, you know, yes, the world is open. There's so many other things going on. I mean, listen, I had to write a book just to see Maria again. I mean, that there was that moment of like, yeah, after having written the book, I was then like, oh, someone actually has to be the model in this. Who and I just, it was immediate. It wasn't even, like, a second I didn't even have a second choice. Like, had she said, no, I was screwed.Lesley Logan 20:31  So, so, so we're, I mean, of course, everyone's like, hold on. We have so many questions about this. Like, women's group, but we're gonna move on, guys, because we only have so much time. But like, if you, if you Brooke Siler's name does not ring a bell from The Pilates Body book, but, but that we, you know, I've literally moved with every apartment. It ever moved with me and into this house, and it didn't even go into a closet, like it's on the shelf. You know, because I think it represents, like the time when I was, like, I was, I believe so much that people can have an independent Pilates practice. And because I was like, but this book gave me that, like, I was able to have an independent Pilates practice. And I I think that, like, that's so necessary for the world we all live in today, to have, you know, to have enough Pilates in our life, whether you're a teacher or not, you need to have some way of doing it. So I was trying to look it up before we started talking, when did you write this book the first time?Brooke Siler 21:24  I started writing it in 1999 and it was published in 2000. Lesley Logan 21:28  Okay, so that's wow, so it's been 25 years. So then you had so then you're like, I'm gonna write it again. I guess.Brooke Siler 21:36  I was like, we should celebrate. It's 25 years, and I still have people coming and saying, oh, my God, my career started because of Pilates, because of The Pilates Body, and that was the first book I ever had, and I've heard that for 25 years, and it felt like, definitely, you know, the, Pilates is bigger now than ever. And I was like, how amazing would it be if we if we did a 25th anniversary, and I brought my literary agent, and she was like, yes, love the idea. And then we brought it to an editor, and they were like, yes, love the idea. And they were like, but, and I just thought, actually, I could, you know, there's that one copy of the Joe Pilates book where it's two of his books together. I thought it was going to get off really easy and just combine the first two books. And so I said to the editor, can't we just put the two together and make it.Lesley Logan 22:21  This one too. Brooke Siler 22:22  Yes, exactly. Wouldn't that be perfect? And then I don't have to do anything. And they were like, No, you have to put new material in there. And I was like, oh, okay. So I hear the things that are of interest to me at this time, like I'm doing a lot of deep work on breathing. I'm doing a lot of deep work on this (inaudible) and that's a whole nother topic, but they chose one, and that was what I went with. And so when I started doing the deep digging, it was, I mean, I had already done the deep digging, I should say, but then starting to try to put it into terms that could be easily understood, and how to make it blend deeper with Pilates. And it was stuff that I was doing that we were doing in our Tuesdays, Thursdays, you know, I always come with ideas. I'm like, hey guys, let's try this thing I've been playing with. And there they were just always game. They were very generous with me and allowing me to test out all of my crazy ideas on them. And yeah, so this one just kept sticking. And then I was teaching online classes, and people were like, writing me afterwards, going, Oh my God, I feel amazing. I can't believe, like, what this feels like. And I was like, okay, cool. So I not only wrote it, but I was like, listen, it's 25 years. I'm going to rewrite all the they didn't give me a budget to do all the photos again. So the photos are the same as they were, and the layout is the same, but I pretty much rewrote everything, like, I updated the language and put in new variations and a lot of archival, you know, just bringing Joe into it, because lockdown, I dug deep, deep in Joe's, you know, treasure trove, and put, like, instead of looking outside of Pilates, I just went back in. I feel like it's that when you go to the dentist, and they used to have the treasure chest and you could pick a toy, it's like, I just went, I did a deep dive into the, Maria, I did a deep dive in and found all. Lesley Logan 24:11  Maria, your dentist didn't have a treasure chest because mine did. And an aquarium, okay? And I would watch the rocket fish go across like I was my favorite.Brooke Siler 24:20  Yes, exactly, yes. So I just yeah, I think, you know, I was pulling stuff out and trying stuff, and they were loving it. And that's the way my mind works. I feel like lockdown for me was an incredible like, everything shut down, out, out, and my brain just went absolutely mad creative. Like I just couldn't stop creating. It was, it was amazing. Lesley Logan 24:44  So you're listening to this everyone. The book is already out, like we're talking about this before I've had my hands on a copy. And of course, I'm like, now (inaudible) even more than I was when you first told me about it, but like I do so and I'm excited to hear what Maria's response was like. Like to also You were telling her, I'm gonna redo this. Like, there is something about, like, Okay, I think we should celebrate. It's gonna be easy. But then it's like, okay, great. Now I've get to redo it. The in the redoing, it's like, you there's things that you can change, because you've had 25 years of teaching on top of it, 25 years of testimonial, 25 years of hearing people say they love this, or have questions about this, like, not many people get a redo and in life, you know, so. So Maria, when she came to you and said she was redoing this, is there anything that like you were the most excited about, that you were like, like, what? What part did you get to explore with her, that you were excited to be in the book?Maria Earle 25:38  Well, my, my role is a very tiny, tiny little role.Lesley Logan 25:43  No way, no way, no.Brooke Siler 25:47  Let's just call bullshit on that. I mean, it's not.Maria Earle 25:50  That is not true. What I mean to say is that, basically, as Brooke said, right, she had been developing these ideas and had an opportunity to basically add a new section to the book. And needed, and needed wanted to have somebody to to be the model for that new chapter. And I got to be someone who sort of got to be in the behind the scenes, like I got to sort of be in her brain a little bit while she was, you know, having this explosive sort of creativity moment, you know, I got to, I got to experience firsthand, you know, her process. And that was amazing. And, you know, I mean, I guess we could joke a little bit about this Brooke, because she she said she sort of hinted to it earlier when she said that, you know, she wanted me to do the book, but you know, she was like, if she said, no, you know, what was I going to do, right? You know, so I think so it took her a little while because she knew that I might like run for the hills when she's asking me to be the, you know, the model.Brooke Siler 27:05  The Pilates Body to be out there. Yeah. Maria Earle 27:08  I was like, Brooke, are you crazy? You know, is like my first reaction, you know. So, you know, do you want to do this? You know, before I'm 50 or after I'm 50, you know, I do you? You know who you're talking to, right? You know I was like, so is this, like a wedding boot camp kind of thing that I need to, like, get myself, like, totally, like, in shape or whatever.Lesley Logan 27:49  Whatever that means, yeah, yeah, yeah.Maria Earle 27:51  And she was like, No, I want you to just be you and talk about leap of faith. Talk about, like, stepping into, like, the scary bits and saying, Okay, I I trust you, yeah, and I believe in your vision, and I want to step into that space 100% because it is what I believe. Like, let's celebrate, let's celebrate the body as it is, like, let's, let's give it a whole another dimension here, you know, let's cut through the bullshit of what it means to have a Pilates body, and let's reframe that dialog. And no, I'm not going to get photoshopped as much as I, you know that little my head is like, well, could. Brooke Siler 29:04  We had a lot of conversations. Maria Earle 29:05  Couldn't they just a little, no, right? So it's like this, like inner dialog of over months and months, you know? And that is powerful and beautiful. And I, I could not have asked for am better partner to to do that with, and, you know, a safe space to like, be, no, I'm going to step into this, and I'm going to do it big, and it's going to be, it's going to be yeah and and, yeah. It feels great to be a part of something that is, it's bigger than me. It's bigger it's bigger than the book. It's bigger than us together. It's bigger than all of it. It's, it's, it's, it's about this reframing what what it is to be in our bodies. And to embodied and to and to celebrate all the different phases. I mean, my size has never defined me, and I have been, you know, I am not the size I was when I was 25.Lesley Logan 30:18  Nor I and probably not, right? I I love that we're going here, because I just have to say, like, we're recording this two weeks after so my youtube channel hit 40,000 subscribers, which I'm at the time, this is where, and I was so freaking stoked, because, like, I did it without, like, putting I did it without, like, doing a, you know, tits and ass workout, without, like, you know, the fake Pilates, like, we'll call it Pilates, but it's just, mostly just sit ups, like, I did it without, like, put on, I did it with, like, just educational support. And I'm so proud of what we did. And on the day that we hit 40,000 somebody wrote, your stuff is really great, but you used to be thinner, and it was really, the videos are really great when you were thinner. What happened? Of course, other subscribers are like, this is not helpful. This is why teachers and trainers are afraid to gain weight. Like, wonderful, supportive stuff and to and like, my response to this per and the person doubled down. So in case we're wondering, like, maybe it's a cultural thing, like, we have a house in Cambodia, and people will inquire, like, oh, you're bigger. Why? Because maybe you're rich. They want it like, like, you know, like, that's kind of different cultures. Have different experiences. So, so I was trying to like, so in case we thought maybe it's a cultural translation thing. No, they doubled down. They said it's a calories in, calories out. She could have better discipline. Oh, and to which I got pissed off, because I don't, I don't have the body I had at you know, when I discovered, when I when Pilates discovered me at 22 like I am, first of all, I am no longer sick. I no longer have digestive issues. I now absorb nutrition. I also like happen to look a lot better with curves. Thank you very much. But I, for the record, like I told I went online and told people, yeah, I've gained 40 pounds. I am the most disciplined person I know. I probably do Pilates more than people other people do who have different bodies than me. You cannot have fat phobic comments on my channel. This is wrong for so many reasons. I hope you have space and grace for yourself and others when your body's changed, because they will and it's and I really appreciate you sharing that journey, Maria, about your body too. It's like, I think so many teachers and so many women are afraid to put themselves out there, whatever their thing is. We can even switch Pilates to being an author, being a speaker or being a doctor, like every woman is so afraid. Well, I don't look like whatever x is supposed to look like. And so people are going to judge me. And then, because they don't put themselves out there, because they're afraid they'll be judged, then the only people that are out there are 22 year olds in their super cute outfits that have never looked good on me. And so, of course, like so then people think that's what it is. And so then we have this whole misunderstanding. Brooke Siler 33:05  It's really, it's a, it's, yeah, it is dysmorphia, and it's a really sad commentary, and it's, and, you know, I'm, don't let me get started on a patriarchy, because I will. Lesley Logan 33:16  We can, but yeah. Brooke Siler 33:19  You know, it's, it's this. It's not only an unrealistic ideal, but like, who's even the one coming up with that shit? It's just ridiculous. And the thing is, we've all bought into it at some stage in our lives. And certainly it's something that, you know, it can be on so many different levels. But Maria and I were talking about this too. There was plenty of times, like, even, you know, you'd want to Photoshop this, or there's the cellulite there, and there's the whole thing, and in the end of the day, we're wiser than we've ever been in our lives. We are more powerful in our own ways than we've ever been in our lives. We can move beautifully in at our this age in our lives. I started taking tennis last year. I go three times a week. One, I've never in my life played tennis. I started at 56 you have to love that and like, fuck it. I don't care if my thighs are thicker. I'm like, really enjoying what I can do in this body. And that's what a Pilates body always was. I did even look back in 2000 when I wrote the book, the if you go through the three models at the beginning, there is a passage at the Afterword that says, I chose these three models because of their they were teaching because they're teachers. Their ability to do the actual movements and endure the long photo shoots of the day, they happen to work for me. So that was very easy. They were there. I didn't do like a whatever they call that, a model call, you know, they they worked for me, so it was perfect. They were amazing teachers who were had modern dance backgrounds, so they were strong as shit, and they were beautiful. And I wrote, I hope in earnest, that they that they inspire and don't intimidate. And I wrote that in 2000 because for me, I already knew it's not about having a skinny you know, body, a particular type of body. It was just they were there to model the work, and I knew they could do it. And these are longer days of shooting. So with Maria, I knew her. I knew her work, because we've been working out together for years, and I could see her power and what she could do with her body. And I thought actually in the way she moved, coming from Kathy Grant, but she has this beautiful way of moving different than what I experienced from Ramana. So I loved it, and I thought it fit so perfectly. And it was very much about, you know, it's got a lot of Maria in it too, which is this beautiful, you know, soul. It's about sensing internally. And so it's, it's a kind of, it's a really nice, I think, flip. It's not that the work. I mean, she killed it, I will say, and I'm just going to admit this, I knew she was going to do an amazing job. I really, I can't actually believe how incredible she was, really. And she knows I say this all the time to her, because she, she killed it. She was a superstar rock star, like, if she couldn't get the thing, she was like, save it. We'll do it again at the end. Like she just, there was determination, like, nothing I've ever seen. It was a very long day of shooting, and I it was like, yeah. I was like, wow, that was really the right choice. I mean, I knew it was the right choice from the beginning. It was, it was a no choice choice. She was a no choice choice. It was just gonna be Maria or it was gonna be no one, and thank God, she took a day, I think, like a day, right when I asked you, and then, like, the next day, she was like, right, I'm good. Because I remember saying to my husband, like, what if she didn't do it? Like, I needed to be her. It's just her. It just was her. It was like, meant to be you. So. Lesley Logan 36:40  Oh yeah, but I, and I, Maria, first of all, like, I don't, I you, there's something about you that's just so magical that you could even, I don't even know, I don't know if I could take the day, I probably would have been like, I'm fucking scared. And, you know, but you know, like, I don't what, what did you think about? What did you? Did you journal? Like, what did you, what? How did you how did you contemplate the decision? Because you're correct, it's hard to find the words for it. It is going to be bigger than this book is any bigger because, because the book was already bigger than Brooke already, and so and so. And also I just want to say, like, I love that there. I love that the height of Pilates being so popular. This book is coming out again, because I do think it brings some authenticity to the work that we're doing. So what did you do during the day to, like, come to the decision we all want to know how you contemplated?Maria Earle 37:30  Well, I think, I think definitely it was a process. It was a number of conversations, you know, and and I knew in my heart that I that I had to say yes, I knew that it would be a major regret if I let fear and you know, like the little the little naysayers, you know you shouldn't be doing that, or what business do you have? You know nobody wants to see you know you. I knew that all those little voices that I ultimately would regret letting them win. So I knew that I had to say yes, and then basically I had to work backwards from the yes to convince myself that I was okay and that, that, you know, and luckily, luckily, I got good people on my corner, so, so whenever I felt like I needed to, oh God, oh God, what have I done? I'm not ready for that. Wait. I need that boot camp, you know, I maybe, if I did lose, you know, the 20 pounds that I've gained, you know, in the past 10 years, perimenopause is kicking my ass, you know, what if I, maybe I could, oh, God, like whenever I would sort of hit those high rev panic moments, you know, I just have to go to Brooke and whoever else was, were my rocks, you know. And you know, while I'm like, circling and, you know, and I can't land right, and they would be like, it's okay, we got you. This is going to be amazing. This is this and that, and.Brooke Siler 39:20  (inaudible) believing the people that see you like you almost have to see yourself through others' eyes like it was no doubt in my mind that you were perfect, perfect, but I just that's you know, you had to go through your process to get there, and I had to respect that. But yes, I was going to tell you how amazing and beautiful and stay as you are and like, think about how many people get to look and say, Oh, I feel that's me. I'm there. I'm being represented. It's, yeah.Maria Earle 39:52  I mean, because it's important. It's about, it's about really stepping into, stepping into that space, and that stepping into that space is really scary, but I show up that way from my clients every day, yeah, but I don't necessarily show up for myself in that way, and that is something that I don't like to admit. So I am admitting it here, and I'm admitting it now, but you won't ever hear me say it again. No, I'm joking. (inaudible) Maybe now I'll be able to say it more often, which is, like, I, you know, I fall into the same body traps, you know, even though I, I will with my clients and with the teachers who I work with, and, you know, my friends, I like show up with body positivity, and you are beautiful and you are powerful. And I don't, let's not worry about the, you know, the extra little curvy there, like, let's get strong. Let's get moving. Because it's about the moving, and it's about feeling strong, feeling great in your body. It's not about how your body looks. I do that for people all day long. And then when it comes to myself, it's like, right? Until it's like eating you up inside. And so and so the process, the process is not overnight. It's like a long term, term thing. And you know, the book's gonna come out, and I'm probably gonna hide under my covers for every day. Lesley Logan 41:17  For a few minutes, and then we're all gonna drag you out.Brooke Siler 41:21  We're coming in after you for sure (inaudible0.Lesley Logan 41:25  I'm gonna text you the day after it comes out to make sure that you're like, I I appreciate and that you said those things, because it's true. Like, I think we all hear like we're all that for our clients, like they body shame themselves, like, hold on, we're reframing that. And in the process of loving the body that I'm growing into. And, you know, there is all the things, because we were raised in, as our brain was developing, we were raised with the five minutes of tone here, the this here, like I was in modeling, and, of course, like I was like, working out all the time. And you guys went at a commercial agent and a modeling agent, and on the same day, the modeling agent said you're not thin enough, and my commercial agent said you're getting too skinny. And I was like, oh, I don't actually know what to do today. Like, I don't know what to do today because I'm now not hireable in commercials, according to you, but I'm not hireable enough because the modeling agency want to be a fitness model, but I wasn't toned enough to be a fitness model, but I wasn't skinny enough to be a model, model, and so, like you so and so here's, here's what I did. You guys, my agents were across the street from a fonuts, which is, if you've ever been to L.A., it's a non fried, gluten free donut shop. Okay, so the donuts are not fried. It's only gonna happen in L.A. and I I fucking went to the donut shop. I was like, fuck it. I don't even know what to do, and I consciously eating my feelings. Right now, I am an adult enough to understand. I do not, I have a therapy session around this, but I was just like, no one is going to be happy. And that is what I like sat on this bus stop with my donut, and I remember, like, no one's happy, and I told my husband, I said, I think I'm gonna let go of the agents. And I don't know what that means, because I don't I wasn't like wasn't like, wasn't like, I was I wasn't a dream of mine, but I was also like, I can't like, I can't handle these people and my own thoughts, like my own reaction, like, I can't my own thoughts of like my body changing and who I'm becoming, and trying to get healthier and absorb B vitamins, you know, anything to live on this planet like, and also have outside people tell me things like, so I that was, that was when I actually let go of but I will say, like, because we all go through that we can be very body positive and still have these things about ourselves. And I, I think it's hard to admit, but it's also like, it's, it's just honest, and it's a process, because I do think that in people falling in love with their bodies and seeing different bodies doing these strong exercises, they're still going to have their own thoughts to themselves. I can't do that. That's not what my body like all the and we have to go, you're going to have all those thoughts, and you're still invited to this party, because, like, we should have always been moving for the health of it and not for the shape of it. And I don't know when we stop working out for the shape. I don't know when that stops, but I do appreciate your honesty there, Maria. And I think it's I'm excited for what people are going to say and see and do.Maria Earle 44:37  Yeah, and also I would say, I would say something about to sort of bring a couple threads through that in that deep dive that Brooke did, like really looking into the archival work and looking at, you know, the pictures that Joe took doing his mat work, like we we sat with the book, you know, during the photo shoot, like we sat with the book and we were like, how is he doing this? As opposed to, and no, no zero shade, but different than looking at a manual or the gorgeous models that were in book one, right, that were all contemporary or ballet dancers who were making shapes, beautiful shapes, that were in very much influenced by the an esthetic that comes from dance. So you know, Mr. Pilates' swan is not a full extension with fingertips facing the ceiling, right? But we have that in our manual as like, that's what the swan dive is supposed to look like, right? And so we bought into an esthetic that doesn't necessarily, really, it's not, it's an it's an it's just that, it's just the esthetic, period, right.Brooke Siler 46:09  It doesn't even serve the body in the same way that when you realize what Joe was asking, and I always kind of joke about this, how many times I looked at those pictures in the book before lockdown, you know, for years before, because Romana had them on her walls and all of that. And in my mind, he was not in great form, not matching what I was being told. So, like, he needs to do this, he needs to soften his knees. He needs to and then when I started, really, and I've read those books a lot of times. I mean, honestly, before lockdown, I had already they were dog eared and highlighted in every color anyway. But then I went back in and, you know, every time you reread something, you read it with new eyes you because it's where you are. You need it. It meets you where you are in that moment, and it met in this place that was so perfect, because I really read it, I really I heard it, I saw it, and I thought, let me try what he's actually saying, because I had not, not done that. I just, blind faith, went with what I knew from my teacher, of course, who you know again, no shade there, either. Like, fantastic. It got me so far. But then being able to take Joe's words and his vision and his you know, he wanted to help us really be in our bodies and move better during the day. So when we did it that way, when we really got into the nitty gritty of what he was asking, and then the feeling like Maria was saying after the photo shoot, that she was like, Oh my God, I feel incredible. Like, not exhausted, and, I mean, maybe exhausted from the energy of it, but like, the feeling in the body is a good feeling, as opposed to.Maria Earle 47:53  Not fighting the body I was not, I was not fighting myself doing the exercises. I think that's, I think that's really, I think there's really something to that, you know, that you're not in a battle against you and the exercise, or you and the shape, and you trying to get into the shape, be the shape and and, you know, you'll see, you'll see the pictures. It's, it's not rocket science. It's not anything incredibly incredible. It's actually pared down. It's actually not performative, and therefore it's, it's, it's gonna resonate at a different level. And for some people, they're gonna be, like, it's just that.Brooke Siler 48:42  I said there's gonna be people who just rip the new chapter off and throw it away.Maria Earle 48:46  Like, well, what is this? You know. But if you're ready for it and you're in, you're willing to, like, excavate, and do the, do the work, as they say, right, then you're going to be like, Oh, this is this. This there. This is different. This feels different. This is, this is me being in my body in a different way. It's in my body in my way, as opposed to in somebody else's way, where I'm trying to, you know, do that, yeah, that what's happening down there at the end of the line.Brooke Siler 49:34  Very internal chapter in its own way. You can, you can enjoy it for the beautiful photos. But really, what's happening inside Maria in it is what's really, it's about and, and it's, you know, it will, it will be a new thing that people can take or leave. But it's really, I dug deep, and then I combined it with this natural thing called pandiculation. Which is what dogs, our pets, do all the time. You know, this, this lengthening and it's and then when I looked at the archival footage, pictures of Joe and the videos, I was like, Wait, that's what he's doing. And that's what he was saying, natural law of nature, how we move. Watch the animals. I was like, you know it was. And so, yeah.Lesley Logan 50:23  Yeah, yeah. I, I'm, thank you for saying what pandiculation was because I was like, I'm gonna have to look that up.Brooke Siler 50:28  And by the time you're, you know, this comes out, you will.Lesley Logan 50:32  but I can't wait for that. But I it's true. Like, my, my dog gets out of bed every morning, and he does both stretches, right? And I like, look at that. I'm like, I don't, I don't get out of bed and go. Lesley Logan 50:41  But he, you know when he does it 30 or 40 times a day. And they do it every time they move, because we don't like if you try to stretch your dog, they don't like stretch. If you try to pull your dog's leg, they don't like that. What dogs are doing? Pandiculation was fascinating. And when we do it, when we it's basically the word for yawn and stretch. It was developed in the 70s, whatever. Anyway, when you yawn and stretch, we think we're stretching, but we're actually contracting. So when you do this, you're not actually stretching the front. You're contracting the back of you and then releasing. And it becomes a signal that's sent to the brain so you actually learn how to regulate your muscle tension. It's phenomenal. Joe didn't say the word pandiculation, but he absolutely asked us to do what the animals do, and that's what the animals do, because it circulates your blood. It's so freaking cool. I just can't wait. I honestly, you know. Lesley Logan 51:37  I keep watching. I sent Brooke a little gif of, like, someone like, watching the mailbox. I'm watching the mailbox. I'm like, she's like, Lesley, I don't have my copy yet. And I'm like. Brooke Siler 51:47  My copy, yeah, no, I can't wait. Lesley Logan 51:49  I I'm really, I'm really stoked for this. I think, I think also, we're ready. I think there's a huge part of the community that's ready for our conversation about this. I think women who are, like, seeking actual Pilates class, are seeking this conversation, and I think you're giving people permission to do it at home, which has always been something that, like, I'm a huge fan of like, I just think that, like, we keep saying we want Pilates to be accessible, but it's not necessarily like about the price of classes, y'all. It's like making sure they have the ability to do it independently, on their own, because I truly believe that that is where confidence is built. It's like creating this agency within themselves. Like, I can do this, you know, I can look at me, I can do these. I can do this move. I can I can feel this in my body, and then go on the day. Like, I think women especially need that internal strength and agency that, yes, it's great to have a teacher like any one of us, to have eyes on you and like to give you some actual corrections. But also, I think sometimes we are always outsourcing. People are like, what are we? Am I good enough to somebody else's opinion and and really, I just want women to have that. So when you Brooke told me about this, I was like, fuck yeah, I'm in whatever it is you're doing I'm in,Brooke Siler 53:06  Developing that sense of internal trust, instead of always asking for the approval to come from the outside. Way to get to start approving of ourselves, feeling that we can trust what we feel, what we know. I don't care if you're I always tell my class it doesn't matter what I say. Literally, if I come over and I'm in your face saying, lift your leg. Lift your if it is not right for you, do not do it. Do not listen to me. Please. You have full permission not to listen to me. Listen to you. Only you are in your body. Only you know what you're feeling. So it has to be a joint you know, conversation that's happening, it can't just come from one side, so I am also really here for the conversations that will come from this and, yeah.Lesley Logan 53:53  Okay, we, I think the three of us could talk for hours, and we're, I'm already, I sorry, I looked at the clock. Hope you have a few more minutes. We're gonna take a brief break, and then find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 54:08  All right, ladies, we'll go. So what Maria? Where do you hang out? Where's your favorite place? She's gonna drink her tea. Where's your favorite place for people to connect with you? How can they work with you? What do you got?Maria Earle 54:23  So people can look me up, find me, contact me through my website mariaearle.com I also have an IG handle that is my name, Maria Earle, and yeah, I would say those are the two best ways to connect with me.Lesley Logan 54:41  Perfect, Brooke, what about you? And where can they buy this book? If they haven't gotten it already?Brooke Siler 54:47  It will be at all your favorite booksellers. I hope, I mean it's, you know, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, all those kinds of great places. And hopefully we'll get it into, you know, small bookstores too. I love the old (inaudible) bookshops.Lesley Logan 54:59  But also, they don't sponsor the show, but I heard, I heard it's bookshop.org, y'all, if you want to support small business, small bookstops, you can look there and see if it's there. When you buy it there, then they send money to a local bookstore. I don't know how that works, but that's what the commercials say. And do you do you hang on Instagram? What's your website? Where can they find you for more?Brooke Siler 55:17  I think it's pretty simple. So it's BrookeSilerPilates, all one word, and that's the website. That's my Instagram handle, that's my Gmail account, BrookeSilerPilates@Gmail. (inaudible) It's a one-stop shop. Yeah, so you can and I'm very I do like, I am social. I do like sharing and hearing back from people. I feel like it's really funny on Instagram. I'll put something up and be like, tell me what you think. And everyone's like, this is great, but nobody answers like, the question, yeah. I'm like, no, no. I really mean it, like I actually want to be in a conversation with you, but.Lesley Logan 55:52  Yeah, no, I feel the same. Brooke, they don't, they don't do it for this year. Brooke Siler 55:55  Yeah. I don't need the flattery, like, thank you, but I don't need that. I just really, actually want to know what do you think and what do you what are you doing? And, yeah.Lesley Logan 56:04  Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what, that'll be our next that'll be our next thing is like, how do we get women to share what they're actually thinking without thinking what they're thinking is wrong, you know? But that's, that's another in the next 25 years. Okay, I feel like I have tons of takeaways, but I still we have to in the show how we always end it with our Be It Action Items, so bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Well, whoever wants to go first?Brooke Siler 56:34  I mean, yeah. I mean, so, you know, I listened to another podcast you did where that came up, and I realized that it was the orthodontist. She was wonderful, and yeah, and I was thinking I felt quite similarly. I just kind of never believed that I couldn't, that I can't. I just do I don't, I don't sit. And there are things that I sit in question for sure, I think I have, like many women, you know, the fear of being judged. Who the hell wants that? There's nothing nice about that. So there are times that, like putting myself out there can definitely, I can feel stopped, but I'm, I believe very much in pushing through that. And I, I have had a Buddhist mentor since for like, 18 years now and so. And she's always like, you know, the only way out is through. So you just, you push through. You go through that. So I push through fear. Like, if I see fear, I'm gonna head toward it. It may take me a while, but I'm going toward that number one and number two. I don't know if it's just some innate sense of confidence. I just when I have an idea, I want to share it. And when you, when I think of it as being something that I'm sharing, it doesn't feel like it's a scary thing. I'm like, I love it. You said you love it. Let's just do it, it. It's just like that. So I think, for me, when I think of it as sharing, rather than me doing something for you, then to react to it's much it just makes it much more palatable to move forward, because I love sharing. I'm a group, I'm a group, I'm a, I'm a. I like my independence. I like to be on my own. I do a lot of stu

God is a God of abundance, not scarcity—and His love is big enough to touch every place you fear not having enough. In this episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Catherine continues her Made for Abundance series, speaking straight into the pain of lack, fear, and the belief that God is stingy or withholding. Catherine unpacks how perfect God’s love casts out fear, how scarcity is a result of the fall—not God’s heart—and how Paul could learn to be content in both abundance and lack because he was rooted in an unshakable Source. From Psalm 36’s “fatness of Your house” and the “river of Your pleasures” to the imagery of Eden’s rivers of delight, Catherine shows that we were always designed to live from overflowing fullness in God. You’ll hear how God never cursed humanity—curse is a consequence of disconnecting from Life, not a punishment from divine anger. Lack, fear, and death-thinking are “hellish concepts” God is actively transforming into an inner Garden of Eden in you. As you awaken to your identity in Christ as a co-heir, you begin to drink deeply of His goodness, learning to trust Him as Source instead of clinging to stuff, hoarding resources, or worshiping lack. Catherine also breaks down how true abundance isn’t greed or prosperity-obsession—it’s spiritual transformation and spiritual healing at the level of how you see God, yourself, and provision. From the “fatness of His house” to rivers of Eden flowing within, this is about experiencing God as lavishly kind, playful, and faithful in every area of your life—including your finances and other tangible areas of your life. Practical takeaway:
Ask Holy Spirit: “Where have I believed You are withholding from me?” Write down one lie about lack you’ve carried, then replace it with truth: “In Christ, I live from Your abundance, not from scarcity. You are my Source.” If this episode blesses you, please like, subscribe, comment, and share it with someone wrestling with provision or fear of not enough. For more on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing, explore Catherine’s resources and mentorship opportunities. Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You - https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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You were made for abundance—not for a life driven by fear, lack, or spiritual hustle. In this episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Catherine unpacks what it really means that God is a God of abundance, not poverty or greed, and how that changes the way you see provision, prosperity, and your own heart. So much of the Church has swung between extremes: the “prosperity gospel” that idolizes material wealth, and the religious poverty mindset that treats lack as holy. Catherine goes back to Genesis to reveal God’s original design: humanity placed in the Garden of Delight, blessed, fruitful, and commissioned to reign as lovers and blessers, not as fearful strivers. She shows how the fall twisted our perception of God as Source, how Adam turned to “the ground” as his source, and how that introduced toil, thorns, and a mindset of scarcity. Through passages in Genesis 1–2, Psalm 1, and the imagery of Eden’s four rivers—overflowing increase, gushing, swift-flowing, and fruitfulness - Catherine paints a vivid picture of God’s love as extravagantly generous and endlessly creative. Abundance isn’t about hoarding stuff; it’s about living in union with the One who “richly gives us all things to enjoy,” and letting that overflow into the world around us. You’ll be invited to let go of any ditch you find yourself in - and come back to your true identity in Christ as a beloved son or daughter, designed to carry rivers of living water to a creation groaning for freedom. This is spiritual transformation and spiritual healing at the level of how you see God, yourself, and provision itself. If this episode speaks to you, hit like, subscribe, and share it with someone wrestling with provision, prosperity, or shame around money. For more on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing, explore Catherine’s resources and mentorships. Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You - https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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Discover your true identity in Christ and the God who planted His own dreams inside you—and why your desires still matter. In this third part of the God’s Dreams, Your Dreams: Is God That Good? series, Dr. Catherine Toon dives deep into how a profoundly good God designed you as His “poetry” (Ephesians 2:10), crafted in love, and filled you with holy desires that won’t go away. She separates your unshakable ontology (who you are in Christ) from your changing roles, assignments, and seasons, so you never confuse your worth with what you do. Catherine exposes the religious lie that your heart is fundamentally untrustworthy and shows how God’s love and spiritual healing restore you to your true self. From Romans 8 and the unveiling of the sons and daughters of God, to Psalm 37:4 and Ephesians 3:16–20, she reveals a Father who works all things together for good, shares His glory with you, and dares you to dream with Him again. Creation itself is “on tiptoe,” waiting for you to wake up to who you are and step into the dreams He’s planted in your heart. You’ll learn how to discern between selfish fantasies and God-breathed desires, how spiritual transformation flows from union with a personal, loving God (not a vague cosmic force), and how experiencing God in your desires leads to real-world impact and inner healing. This is about discovering your identity in God and living as a co-creator of heaven-on-earth in your unique flavor. Practical takeaway: Ask Holy Spirit to highlight one dream that keeps resurfacing, even after disappointment. Write it down, invite Jesus into the grief and delay, and pray: “Father, I give You the right to direct my life—ignite Your dreams in me again.” Then watch for the next small, courageous step. Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You - https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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Feeling unworthy, disqualified, or “too much”? In this episode, Dr. Catherine Toon reveals how God’s love has already named you worthy—and why your deepest dreams still matter to Him. In part two of the God’s Dreams, Your Dreams: Is God That Good? series, Catherine goes after the religious lie that you have a “sinful nature” and shows from Scripture that your true identity in Christ is rooted in original innocence, not original sin. Before the foundation of the world, God chose you, joined Himself to you, and marked you with love (Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9–10). You’re not an accident, and you’re not an afterthought—you are the “poema” of God (Ephesians 2:10), His handcrafted poetry and the very fabric of His delight. Walking through Romans 8:28–30, Catherine unpacks what it really means to be foreknown, predestined, called, justified, and glorified—not as a harsh sorting of who’s in and who’s out, but as the revelation of a God who refuses to abandon His kids. This is spiritual healing at the root level: God dismantles shame, exposes the voice of accusation, and invites you into spiritual transformation by awakening you to who you’ve always been in Him. You’ll discover how a playful, dancing God (Proverbs 8) has always delighted in you; how He planted desires, destiny, and good works in you to walk out; and how discovering your identity in God frees you from the torment of unworthiness and overcoming spiritual shame. As you agree with God’s verdict over you—beloved, holy, worthy—you begin to live like it, and sin loses its grip. Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You - https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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God’s love is better than you’ve been told—and His goodness is the key to your God-given dreams. In this powerful episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Catherine dismantles religious lies about God and reveals a Father who only gives good and perfect gifts, never evil or punishment in disguise. So many of us have been taught to fear our desires, to distrust our hearts, and to wonder if God is secretly against us. Catherine walks us through James 1 and other key scriptures to show that God is never the source of temptation, shame, or destruction—He is the Father of lights, with no shadow of turning. From there, she explores how our true identity in Christ is good, holy, and beloved, even while we’re still a “work in process.” You’ll hear how sin is really a distorted image problem that leads to behaviors that bring death—but your original design in Christ is untouched, rooted in eternal love. Out of that identity, God has planted dreams in you that reflect His heart. He actually wants you to enjoy life, to experience heaven on earth, and to walk in spiritual transformation as you partner with Him. Catherine also shares how a playful, dancing God (Proverbs 8) delights in you, gives you “richly all things to enjoy,” and invites you into a lifestyle of experiencing God in everyday desires, choices, and dreams. This isn’t performance-based religion—it’s awakened sonship and daughterhood. Practical takeaway: Ask Holy Spirit to highlight one deep desire you’ve secretly doubted. Write it down, renounce the lie that God is against it, and pray: “Father, let Your kingdom come and Your will be done in this area of my life.” Then listen for how He wants to walk it out with you. If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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If you’ve ever felt far from God, afraid you’ll “miss His will,” or exhausted by a transactional, try-harder Christianity, this conversation will minister deep healing. In this episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Catherine and returning guest Jason Clark (Rethinking God with Tacos) dive into the tender, transformative truth that love is the long game—and that the lie of separation is losing its grip. Together, we talk about: - Why the message of God’s love is surging globally—and why it’s setting people free - Healing religious trauma rooted in “distance,” fear, and performance - Union with Christ (not striving) as the foundation for identity in Christ and spiritual healing - Obedience as a gift that matures us into love (not a fear-based scoreboard) - The difference between boundaries that heal vs. control that crushes - How Papa/Jesus/Holy Spirit leads you in peace, intimacy, and real freedom Connect with Jason Clark Website: AFamilyStory.org Community: Rethinking God with Tacos (Facebook) Podcast: “Rethinking God with Tacos”, most major platforms YouTube: @Rethinking God with Tacos “Rethinking God with Tacos BOOK” available on Amazon If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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In this episode, Jude and Stef discuss History of Middle-earth Volume 9: Sauron Defeated, the final book in the History of the Lord of the Rings. Jude introduces The Drowning of Anadûnê,  discussing the different versions of the tale of the Drowning of Númenor and the cultural traditions for which they were written. Jude also talks about the importance of adaptation and fan fiction in relation to Tolkien's works. Later, Stef presents the omitted Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings, which gives us a glimpse of Sam's life and family after the event of the Lord of the Rings.Citations Join our Discord! https://discord.gg/4rZynfWv3fTolkien, J. R. R. Sauron Defeated. Ed. Christopher Tolkien. The History of Middle-earth: Vol. 9. HarperCollins, London, 1992.Tolkien, J. R.R. Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien: Revised and Expanded Edition. Ed. Humphrey Carpenter with Christopher Tolkien. HarperCollins Publishers Inc., New York. “Digital Edition NOVEMBER 2023 ISBN: 978-0-06-337435-5, Version 09282023, Print ISBN: 978-0-35-865298-4” (Accessed Dec 31, 2025). Fliss, William M, and Schaefer, Sarah C., J.R.R. Tolkien: The Art of the Manuscript. The Haggerty Museum of Art, Marquette University, August 19-December 23, 2022. ISBN 978-0-945366-36-2. Images 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34. Tolkien Gateway entry for “King's Letter”https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/King%27s_Letter (Accessed Dec 31, 2025)Tolkien Gateway entry for “Sauron Defeated” https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Sauron_Defeated (Accessed 10/1/25)Tolkien Gateway entry for “Vinyar Tengwar 29”https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Vinyar_Tengwar_29 (Accessed Dec 31, 2025)Reddit post, “Where can I find the unpublished epilogue to Lord of the Rings?” by user “mammothman64”https://www.reddit.com/r/tolkienfans/comments/ydejtq/where_can_i_find_the_unpublished_epilogue_to_lord/ (Accessed Dec 31, 2025)-Response from “gynnis-scholasticus”Mentioned in the episode:Lee Knox Ostertag, 2021 (username is mollyknox)On AO3: “Sam and Frodo Comics, Chapter 5: The Unpublished Epilogue” https://archiveofourown.org/works/27478819/chapters/72409524 (Accessed Dec 31, 2025)Miriam Ellis, “The Importance of The Epilogue to The Lord of the Rings” (posted April 29, 2024)https://www.miriamellis.com/post/the-importance-of-the-epilogue-to-the-lord-of-the-rings (Accessed Dec 31, 2025)“Tolkien's Unpublished Epilogue to The Lord of the Rings” by In Deep Geek, published Dec 23, 2023, https://youtu.be/H2yRW4xmZFY?si=iZNDS8MaItSA8PFL (Accessed Dec 31, 2025)

In the final episode of the year, join us as we reflect on Bruce Springsteen's significant moments throughout 2025. With insights from Joyce, Caroline, and Shawn, we discuss everything from the release of Tracks 2 and the impactful Land of Hope and Dreams tour to the Nebraska expanded edition and the new biopic. We also touch upon heartfelt tributes to lost legends like Joey Ely and Jimmy Cliff, and dive deep into Bruce's enduring political and musical legacy. Tune in for an in-depth recap of a monumental year in Springsteen's world. 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:02 Reflecting on the Year in Springsteen 01:30 Meet the Panelists 03:38 Joyce's Springsteen Journey 05:26 Kicking Off the Year in Review 09:14 Remembering Sam Moore 17:21 Light of Day Winter Fest Highlights 23:15 Nugs Live Archive Series Returns 29:50 Bruce's Music in Commercials 37:22 Podcast Highlights and April Fools Fun 39:06 Tracks 2 Announcement 54:42 Honoring Tinker West 59:31 Bruce's Political Statements in Europe 01:04:26 Bruce Springsteen's Tour Performances 01:05:46 Negative Feedback and Tour Recap 01:06:58 Bruce Springsteen's Political Statements 01:12:19 Brian Wilson and Sly Stone's Influence 01:20:50 Tracks Two Release and Pricing Issues 01:46:03 Born to Run's 50th Anniversary 01:53:50 Reflecting on Born to Run and Podcast Recommendations 01:55:18 Symposium Highlights and Personal Experiences 02:00:01 The Influence of Peter Pan on Bruce Springsteen 02:11:51 Bruce Springsteen's Legacy Award and Solo Acoustic Performance 02:15:33 Reactions to the Bruce Springsteen Biopic 02:28:59 Nebraska 82 Expanded Edition and Electric Nebraska 02:44:23 Year-End Reflections and Hopes for 2026 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if God isn’t who religion told you He is? What if He’s far better—more loving, more merciful, more trustworthy—than you’ve ever dared to believe? In this heartfelt episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Pieter Zwart, founder of Foundation for Life in the Netherlands, shares his powerful journey into the revelation of the Father’s heart of God. After a near-death experience and years of ministry, Pieter began asking hard questions: If God is good, why do we see so much judgment, fear, and punishment in the Bible? As the Holy Spirit led him beyond old paradigms, Pieter discovered a transforming truth—God is exactly like Jesus, and His love is better than we thought. Through stories of personal breakthrough, family restoration, and a renewed vision for the Church in Europe, Pieter and Catherine explore:
 * How seeing God as a loving Father changes everything
 * Why we can’t be better parents than God is
 * How love—not fear—leads people to transformation
 * The shift from striving faith to resting in Christ’s faithfulness
 * Why the gospel is not a threat but a declaration of belonging This conversation will leave you free from fear, anchored in grace, and awakened to the reality that you were never separated from Love. “If the accusation is that the God I preach is too good to be true—I can live with that.” – Pieter Zwart * Key Scriptures: Luke 10:13, John 17:6, Acts 17:28, 1 John 4:18, Ephesians 2:8–9 Contact Pieter: Website: https://foundation4life.nl/ YouTube: @foundation4lifenl Facebook: @PieterZwart If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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What if your spiritual journey isn’t about becoming—but remembering who you’ve always been in Christ? In this luminous episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, Dr. Steve McVey, author of Beyond the Veil: My Mystical Journey with Saints and Sages, unveils how love, grace, and divine union rewrite the story of separation and fear. In this fictional work full of Truth, Steve explores profound conversations with voices of wisdom—Christian saints, early theologians, philosophers, even mystics outside the faith tradition—revealing how truth, wherever found, ultimately points back to Christ. Together, Steve and Catherine dive deep into: * The illusion of distance and the revelation that heaven is here and now
 * Remembering our soul’s eternal identity and walking in the Spirit * The “Cosmic Christ” as Lord of all creation—seen and unseen
 * How divine Love is the last and final word This episode will stretch your mind, ignite your heart, and comfort your soul. It’s an invitation to trust that Love Himself is big enough to guide, heal, and hold you—no matter where you are on the journey. “You aren’t defined by your theology or your failures—you’re defined by My love.” – Jesus, Beyond the Veil Experience the grace that dismantles fear and awakens you to the union you already share with the Father, Son, and Spirit. * Key Scriptures: John 17:21–23, Acts 17:28, Colossians 1:16–17, 1 John 4:18 Contact Steve: Facebook: @Steve McVey Instagram: @stevemcvey Twitter: @drstevemcvey stevemcvey.com info@gracewalk.org “Beyond the Veil” available on Amazon If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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What if every “I am not enough,” “I am unworthy,” or “I am unloved” whisper could be silenced by the voice of Jesus within you? In this revelatory episode of Perspectives with Catherine Toon, theologian and author Dr. C. Baxter Kruger unpacks how the lies of shame and separation shape our souls—and how Christ’s “I AM” restores us to wholeness. Baxter shares life-changing insights from his soul diagram and Trinitarian theology, explaining how evil plants the lie of “I am not” early in our pain, and how Jesus descends into our darkness to rewrite our story from within. Through vivid stories of healing, scripture reflections, and practical questions like “Jesus, are You in me?” and “What are my ‘I am nots'?" Baxter and Catherine lead us into a deeply personal encounter with the indwelling Christ. Discover how identity in Christ dismantles religion’s striving, and how hearing God’s voice within restores security, belonging, and joy. Learn how to recognize the Father’s goodness, the Spirit’s companionship, and the freedom that comes when shame and striving fall away. “There is no place in our being deeper than the union of the Father, Son, and Spirit with us.” – Baxter Kruger Experience the reality that you are already included, already loved, already whole. Let Jesus reinterpret your life and reveal the ways you’ve been sharing His divine life all along. Connect to Baxter: https://perichoresis.org GAN TV - Across All Worlds with Jason Clark Patreon Channel - Across All Worlds YouTube: @astonishedheartswithc.baxt101 Facebook: @C Baxter Kruger  Instagram: @cbaxterkruger If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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In this rich conversation, poet-chaplain David Tensen and Catherine explore what true eldering looks like in an age hungry for maturity, belonging, and wisdom. David encourages mature believers to embrace the challenge of authentic eldering through intentional decentering. This means decentering anything that demands center-stage - including ourselves, the ways we see God, the need to be constantly heard, our knowledge, denial of death, and materialism. David names the ache of a lack of eldering for so many, especially in the west. We’ve become long-lived, prosperous, information saturated, yet elder-poor. He invites us into practices that form “big, generous (fat) souls”—people who listen deeply, companion others, and make others feel safe, seen, and not judged. When we decenter our need to be heard, we create room for inner healing and spiritual transformation to unfold in those we love. David also discusses “decentering God”—not removing God, but moving our limited ideas of God out of the way so we can perceive God more and more accurately. Here we can see Trinity in a perichoretic dance—space at the center, room for wonder, union, and identity in Christ that doesn’t crowd out others. Also discussed is “recentering death” by facing death honestly. When we decenter our denial, we live truer, love stronger, and bless the generations. Find “Decenter Everything: The Unconventional Approach to Eldering in an Age of Immaturity” on Amazon   Contact David: https://davidtensen.com/quicklinks/ If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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Kim Howerton  Kim Howerton is a certified Metabolic Health Coach, keto expert, and co-author of Common Sense Labs: A Practical Guide to Decoding Your Blood Work and Taking Control of Your Health (Updated and Expanded Edition).  Her motivation to become a health coach was fueled by her own experience of ill health, which included polycystic ovarian condition, binge eating disorder, major depressive disorder, hypothyroidism, obesity, metabolic dysfunction, gastritis, IBS, and autoimmune disease.  As age forty loomed, she knew she needed to get serious about her health and over the next several years she devoted herself to getting educated about what it means to become and remain a healthy human.  After transforming herself into a person in good health, she knew that nothing mattered more than sharing what she'd learned with others who felt similarly hopeless. She teaches her clients that relentless self-advocacy & self-improvement can turn the tide on the myriad health conditions plaguing society. Link to Show Notes on Website https://fabulouslyketo.com/podcast/251 Kim’s Top Tips Know your goals. Set realistic goals. We are all unique individuals – you are only competing with yourself, so only look at your own results Kim’s Books Common Sense Labs: A Practical Guide to Decoding Your Blood Work and Taking Control of Your Health (Updated and Expanded Edition) – Dr Ken Berry and Kim Howerton Our Keto Holidays: Healthy Family Traditions – Kim Howerton and Neisha Salas-Berry Resources Mentioned Oestrogen Matters: Why Taking Hormones in Menopause Can Improve Women’s Well-Being and Lengthen Their Lives – Without Raising the Risk of Breast Cancer – Avrum Bluming and Carol Tavris Connect with Kim Howerton on social media Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Kimhowertonhealth/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kimhowertonhealth/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kim-howerton-5b8ab224 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/kimhowerton https://www.youtube.com/@FabulouslyKeto Website Details: https://www.kimhowerton.com/about https://www.amazon.com/Common-Sense-Labs-Practical-Decoding/dp/1628606010 The Fabulously Keto Diet & Lifestyle Journal: A 12-week journal to support new habits – Jackie Fletcher If you have enjoyed listening to this episode – Leave us a review By leaving us a review on your favourite podcast platform, you help us to be found by others. Support Jackie Help Jackie make more episodes by supporting her. If you wish to support her we have various options from one off donations to becoming a Super Fabulously Keto Podcast Supporter with coaching and support. Check out this page for lots of different ways to support the podcast. https://fabulouslyketo.com/support Or You can find us on Patreon: https://www.patreon. com/FabulouslyKeto Connect with us on social media https://www.facebook.com/FabulouslyKeto https://www.instagram.com/FabulouslyKeto1 https://twitter.com/FabulouslyKeto https://www.youtube.com/@FabulouslyKeto Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FabulouslyKeto Music by Bob Collum Recommend a guest We would love to know if you have a favourite guest you would like us to interview. Let us know who you would like to hear of if you have a particular topic you would like us to cover. https://fabulouslyketo.com/recommend-a-guest We sometimes get a small commission on some of the links, this goes towards the costs of producing the podcast.

In this enlightening conversation, Bruce and Dr. Catherine Toon explore the profound themes of love, salvation, and the nature of God. Bruce shares his personal journey from a cult upbringing to a deeper understanding of the gospel, emphasizing the importance of love in healing and spiritual growth. They discuss the misconceptions surrounding eternal separation and the transformative power of love in the Christian faith. The dialogue highlights the ongoing reformation in understanding the gospel and the significance of relationship with God as a source of healing and wholeness. If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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Identity in Christ changes everything—and encounter with Divine Love does just that—restoring original innocence, healing the heart and mind, and revealing who you’ve always been. Raised around church but wrestling with shame and addiction that resulted in multiple incarcerations, Rachael Cannon encountered Love Himself and everything shifted. In this tender conversation, Catherine and Rachael explore how encountering God as Love reframes our past and awakens our original identity—not earned by performance, but received in His love. Divine Love doesn’t just forgive—He restores true identity and imprints us with belonging, purpose, and joy. One moment of encountering Love can reset a lifetime of lies. Rachael shares about being “seen and claimed” by the Father and how that encounter launched a powerful journey of spiritual healing where she learned that she could live from Love and walk in massive freedom, and rest! This launched her into ministering to others within and outside prison bringing hope, healing and a divine reset for others struggling with intense bondage. Contact Rachael: Author’s page on Amazon: www.amazon.com/author/dr.rachaelcannon To learn more about her work and the mission of Greenhouse Lilies, please visit www.greenhouselilies.com The Love Class: God is All About You, is available on my YouTube channel. Dr. Rachael Cannon www.youtube.com/@rachaelcannon4981 If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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God’s love heals the deepest places. Discover identity in Christ, inner healing, and how to hear God without fear. What if disruption is actually an invitation from Love to begin again? In this heartfelt conversation, Catherine Toon and author Felicia Murrell explore how God’s love restores our true identity, calms our nervous system, and leads us into spiritual healing and wholeness. You’ll learn practical ways to move from self-judgment to compassion, from suspicion to curiosity, and from striving to experiencing God in the present moment. Felicia shares rich wisdom on listening to your body (“I am your body, and I want you to know…”) and how kindness helps us drop from fight/flight into peace. Together we unpack living from the Tree of Life instead of the knowledge of good and evil, holding both our ontological oneness and our beautiful differences—without diminishing anyone. Scripture threads include: Psalm 139 (God’s intimate design), Zephaniah 3:17 (Love sings over you), Luke 15 (coming to ourselves and turning toward home), and Ephesians 2:10 (God’s workmanship—His poem). The takeaway: when the “only way forward is toward,” we can move toward God, toward each other, and even toward our own hearts with grace. Practical application: Try Felicia’s prompt: “I am your body, and I want you to know…”—write unedited for 5 minutes. Notice what Love highlights. Ask: “Holy Spirit, what’s the most loving thing I can do right now?” This simple shift nurtures Christian identity, deepens spiritual transformation, and helps you hear God’s voice in everyday life. If this blessed you: • Subscribe for more conversations on God’s love, identity in Christ, and inner healing • Share this with a friend who needs hope today • Explore Catherine’s resources & community for next-step support Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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Today on DORiS we sit down with King Noire, who shares his journey from New Jersey to his trailblazing rise in the music and adult entertainment industries. He discusses his philanthropic efforts in Guinea-Bissau, where he helped build a school, a freshwater well, and a medical clinic. King Noire also reflects on his personal growth, the importance of family, and his advocacy for social justice and equality.Chapters00:00 Introduction to King Noir03:06 King Noir's Upbringing and Musical Influences06:06 The Impact of Music on King Noir's Life09:06 Navigating Identity and Activism12:04 Experiences in the Adult Industry and Music15:03 Reflections on Social Issues and Activism18:41 The Struggle for Acceptance in Hip Hop21:35 Celebrating Self-Love and Empowerment31:12 Journey into Adult Entertainment34:33 Embracing Sexual Freedom37:29 Innovative Music and Fetish Culture40:43 Navigating the World of Fetish Play46:44 Education and Consent in Sexual Exploration50:32 Introduction to King Noir and His Journey51:53 Emotional Moments and Personal Growth54:21 Balancing Work and Family Life55:49 Parenting Styles: A Generational Shift59:13 Philanthropy and Global Impact01:03:20 Cultural Exchange Through Music01:05:29 Building a Legacy Through Music01:06:43 A Journey to Guinea-Bissau01:09:07 Reflections on Ancestry and Progress01:12:31 Exploitation of Resources and Global Inequality01:15:53 The Importance of Unity and Mental Health01:17:55 Upcoming Performances and Future Projects

In this powerful and thought-provoking episode, Dr. Catherine Toon interviews Scott Cook on the transformational journey of living from within. Together, they explore what it means to awaken to your true identity in Christ, live from the indwelling presence of God, and align your heart with divine Love. Scott shares deep insights into the inner life of the Spirit, overcoming external validation, and embracing the Christ within as your source of purpose, peace, and power. Whether you’re feeling spiritually dry or simply desiring deeper intimacy with God, this conversation will stir your heart and renew your mind. Topics include: * Understanding the Christ within * Living from divine identity * Inner transformation vs. outer performance * Letting go of religious striving * The power of rest and trust in God Contact Scott: thrivwithin.org “Thrive Not Just Survive: How to Live From Within” book: available from Amazon Exhausted and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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 Catherine has been in the business of changing lives for decades as an author, speaker, and prophetic coach. She is incredibly gifted at calling forth personal destiny and has helped thousands of individuals who are on that journey.

Today on DORiS @whosdoris we sit down with Just Dev @comedian_justdev

In this powerful episode, Catherine Toon sits down with Lisa Wentworth Couture to explore the deeply transformative concept of Beloved Union—a journey into divine intimacy, identity, and spiritual awakening. Lisa shares her heart on what it means to be one with God, how love heals separation, and the beauty of living from our true identity in Christ. Whether you're deconstructing old beliefs or longing for a deeper encounter with divine love, this conversation offers wisdom, encouragement, and inspiration to live from union instead of striving. Topics Covered: * The experience of Divine Oneness * Moving from separation to unity with God * How love transforms identity * The feminine expression of the divine * Spiritual growth through vulnerability Beloved Union: available on Amazon Contact Lisa: Facebook: @Lisa Wentworth Couture Instagram: @Lisa Wentworth Couture Email: lisa.couture777@gmail.com Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

On this week's show, we take a deep dive into the Nebraska '82 Expanded Edition box set, and explore the legacy, lore and enduring impact of Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska. All this & much, much less! Debts No Honest Man Can Pay is a podcast that thinks it's a radio show...because it used to be one. The show started in 2003 at WHFR-FM (Dearborn, MI), moved to WGWG-FM (Boiling Springs, NC) in 2006 & Plaza Midwood Community Radio (Charlotte, NC) in 2012, with a brief pit-stop at WLFM-FM (Appleton, WI) in 2004. It phoenixed into a podcast in 2020, thanks to the fine and fabulously furious folks at NRM Streamcast. 

Before Paul went away on his own book tour for John Candy: A Life In Comedy, he conducted a few interviews with authors who have just published fantastic music biographies. We'll be featuring some of them while Paul is out on the road. This week, a reprise of Paul's conversation with Warren Zanes, author of Deliver Me From Nowhere, about the making of Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska album, which has just been reissued as the five-disc Nebraska '82: Expanded Edition. Zanes' book was also the basis for the feature film, Deliver Me From Nowhere, in theatres now! RSD Black Friday 2025 is November 25, see the whole list at RecordStoreDay.com. We'll be talking more about it as we get closer to the day itself. The Record Store Day Podcast is a weekly music chat show written, produced, engineered, and hosted by Paul Myers, who also composed the theme music and selected interstitial music. Executive Producers (for Record Store Day) Michael Kurtz and Carrie Colliton. For the most up-to-date news about all things RSD, visit RecordStoreDay.com Please consider subscribing to our podcast wherever you get podcasts, and tell your friends, we're here every week and we love making new friends!

EP #302 - Experiencing God's Passionate Love | Reignite Your Fire! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

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In the latest episode of None But The Brave, co-hosts Hal Schwartz and Flynn McLean discuss the release of Electric Nebraska, which is part of Bruce Springsteen's new Nebraska '82: Expanded Edition box set. Springsteen fans have been waiting almost four decades to hear the E Street Band takes of songs from the Nebraska LP. Hal and Flynn take a deep dive into the 8 songs and discuss their significance within Springsteen's larger body of work. For more information on exclusive NBTB content via Patreon, please visit: Patreon.com/NBTBPodcast. This show is sponsored by DistroKid. Use this link to support the show and get 30% off your first year: http://distrokid.com/vip/nbtb Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bruce Springsteen has released a four-disc set around his 1982 acoustic album Nebraska, including electric versions of many of the songs. "You could multi-track right in the bathroom." Help support The Next Track by making regular donations via Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/thenexttrack). We're ad-free and self-sustaining so your support is what keeps us going. Thanks! ‌Show notes Nebraska '82: Expanded Edition (https://amzn.to/48I3cKO) Bruce Springsteen: Nebraska '82: Expanded Edition review – fabled album falls short of expectations (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/oct/13/bruce-springsteen-nebraska-82-expanded-edition-review-fabled-album-falls-short-of-expectations) Ian Penman: Infinite Wibble: Brian v. Eno (https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n17/ian-penman/infinite-wibble) Betty Cantor-Jackson - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Cantor-Jackson) Springsteen on Broadway (https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80232329) Our next tracks: Brian Eno and Beatie Wolfe: Liminal (https://amzn.to/479tjYC) The Ratchets: Glory Bound (https://amzn.to/3L2Ploq) If you like the show, please subscribe in Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/the-next-track/id1116242606) or your favorite podcast app, and please rate the podcast.

Feeling spiritually dry or emotionally flatlined? In this powerful message, Dr. Catherine Toon invites you into a deep encounter with God's passionate love to reignite your purpose and passion. Discover how to lean into divine love, awaken to your identity in Christ, and rise from your wilderness renewed and restored. Explore the transformational truths from Ephesians 3 and Song of Solomon, and experience how God sees you—radiant, holy, and filled with His glory. This episode will lead you from burnout to breakthrough, from disconnection to divine Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

Are you ready to embrace the fire of God? In this explosive interview, Dr. Catherine Toon sits down with Bill Vanderbush, acclaimed author and speaker, to dive deep into his latest book, "The Fire Is Not Optional: Recovering the Baptism of Jesus and the Message of the Early Church." Discover what it means to be baptized not just with water, but with the fire of the Holy Spirit—a transformative experience that the early church embraced and that believers today urgently need. You’ll hear powerful insights into: - The difference between John's baptism and Jesus’ baptism of fire - How the early church moved in resurrection power - Why love is the foundation for true revival - How to be reawakened to your spiritual authority If you're hungry for a supernatural life of power, love, and truth, this is the episode for you. Get the book: The Fire Is Not Optional by Bill Vanderbush https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Not-Optional-Recovering-Baptism/dp/B0FJ6D4XTC Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Exhaused and worn out? Register for Pursued By Love: A Love Encounter with the God Who Adores You https://catherinetoon.com/pursuedbylove To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Please Like, Share, & Subscribe -- a little thing that makes a big difference! Thank You! Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
#1 Best Seller & #1 New Release in our category! Get your copy: https://amzn.to/3K2J9ZV God, Male & Female?: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM CONNECT WITH CATHERINE: ► Website: https://catherinetoon.com/ ► Facebook: @catherinetoonmd
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 Catherine has been in the business of changing lives for decades as an author, speaker, and prophetic coach. She is incredibly gifted at calling forth personal destiny and has helped thousands of individuals who are on that journey.

In this deeply thought-provoking episode, Mo Thomas, author and speaker, shares his journey from fundamentalist Christianity to discovering the indwelling Christ within. Mo candidly explores deconstruction, spiritual trauma, and how his encounter with the love of God transformed his understanding of identity, grace, and inclusion. For those questioning inherited beliefs or craving an authentic experience of God, this conversation offers hope, healing, and a compelling invitation into deeper spiritual freedom. Mo's Bio: Mo Thomas is an author and explorer, dedicated to guiding individuals toward their True Self through a transformative blend of science, spirituality, and holistic coaching. With roots in engineering—spanning over 30 years as a crash safety engineer at General Motors and Ford, followed by a role as an Innovation Leader for Michigan’s MiSTEM Network—Mo bridges the precision of quantum physics with the wonder of mystical faith. In 2006, he began deconstructing his fundamentalist Christian upbringing, a profound journey that inspired his book Into the Abyss (2020), where he weaves scientific passion with spiritual exploration to reveal our authentic identity. As a MindValley-certified Life Coach, Mo founded Sacred Seeds Coaching, offering “Life Engineering” sessions that use reflective questioning, mindfulness, and practical strategies to dismantle limiting beliefs and cultivate lives of purpose, joy, and abundance. Drawing from 15+ years as a sports coach and workplace mentor, his practice empowers clients to let the Universe work its magic within body, soul, and spirit—whether through deep conversations, customized meditations, or soulful practices. Contact Mo: mo.thomas14@gmail.com Mo’s Book:  Into the Abyss: Discover Your True Identity in the Infinite Depths of Christ Sacred Seeds Coaching: Sacred Seeds Coaching and Spiritual Direction Explore His Faith Story: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1CRkDLgFZK/ Ready to Renew & Reignite Your Passion? * FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling * Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ ** To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ ** Please like, share, and subscribe — a little thing that makes a big difference!! Thank you! * Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
#1 Best Seller & #1 New Release in our category! Get your copy: https://amzn.to/3K2J9ZV #MarkedByLove #CatherineToon #LoveOfGod #LoveTransforms #identityinchrist #Billthrasher #JesusPurpose * God, Male & Female?: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM CONNECT WITH CATHERINE: * Website: https://catherinetoon.com/ * Facebook: @catherinetoonmd
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 Catherine has been in the business of changing lives for decades as an author, speaker, and prophetic coach. She is incredibly gifted at calling forth personal destiny and has helped thousands of individuals who are on that journey.

 In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett announce the upcoming release of The Story of the World, Volume 1: Ancient Times, 25th Anniversary Expanded Edition! Available everywhere February, 2026! The audiobook and/or PDF of the main text are available NOW at welltrainedmind.com Learn more about the Story of the World Vol 1: 25th Anniversary Expanded Edition HERE  (00:00) - An announcement! (04:14) - What is different? (08:27) - More new features! (10:25) - The Instructor Guide and Student Book (15:29) - We're excited!!!

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Francois and Lydia Du Toit, creators of the Mirror Bible Translation, to explore the liberating message of the Gospel of Grace and the profound implications of union with Christ. Francois shares his transformational journey from legalism to revelation, diving deep into how the finished work of the cross redefines human identity and restores our understanding of oneness with God. Together with Francois and Lydia, we discuss: * The inspiration behind the Mirror Translation * How grace, not striving, reveals our true self * The role of imagination in experiencing divine reality * Why inclusion and universal restoration matter in the Gospel narrative This conversation will challenge traditional mindsets and offer a fresh lens through which to see scripture, humanity, and the heart of the Father. Whether you're familiar with Francois’s work or new to the message of radical grace, this episode invites you into a transformative encounter with the truth of your identity. Contact Francois & Lydia: https://mirrorword.net Ready to Renew & Reignite Your Passion? * FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling * Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ ** To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ ** Please like, share, and subscribe — a little thing that makes a big difference!! Thank you! * Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
#1 Best Seller & #1 New Release in our category! Get your copy: https://amzn.to/3K2J9ZV #MarkedByLove #CatherineToon #LoveOfGod #LoveTransforms #identityinchrist #Billthrasher #JesusPurpose * God, Male & Female?: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM CONNECT WITH CATHERINE: * Website: https://catherinetoon.com/ * Facebook: @catherinetoonmd
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 Catherine has been in the business of changing lives for decades as an author, speaker, and prophetic coach. She is incredibly gifted at calling forth personal destiny and has helped thousands of individuals who are on that journey.

Today, we welcome back legendary comic writer J.M. DeMatteis to discuss the impressive array of recent reprints celebrating his diverse career, starting with Moonshadow - The Definitive, Expanded Edition, where he reflects on his introspective collaboration with Jon Muth and how Marvel's Epic line was crucial to realizing this unique narrative. We also explore:His acclaimed run on Doctor Fate, discussing how he brought humanity to the cosmic mystical character while balancing magical concepts with intimate momentsHis beloved Spectacular Spider-Man Omnibus, featuring classics like "The Child Within" and his collaboration with artist Sal BuscemaThe re-release of his autobiographical Brooklyn Dreams through Dark Horse that blends reality with fantasyThe 20th anniversary complete collection of Hero Squared, his satirical superhero series with Keith Giffen coming back through Boom!And there's even more, with a collection of Scooby Apocalypse and others on their way! As always, you can find J.M. on his own site, jmdematteis.com, or on Bluesky @JMDeMatteis and Instagram @JM.DeMatteis.Support the show___________________Check out video versions of this and other episodes on YouTube: youtube.com/dollarbinbandits!If you like this podcast, please rate, review, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you found this episode. And if you really like this podcast, become a member of the Dollar Bin Boosters on Patreon: patreon.com/DollarBinBoosters.You can follow us @dollarbinbandits on Facebook, Instagram, and Bluesky, or @DBBandits on X. You can email us at dollarbinbandits@gmail.com.___________________Dollar Bin Bandits is the official podcast of TwoMorrows Publishing. Check out their fine publications at twomorrows.com. ___________________ Thank you to Sam Fonseca for our theme music, Sean McMillan for our graphics, and Pat McGrath for our logo.

What if the Bible was never meant to portray a God who is anything less than perfectly good? In this powerful interview with Dubb Alexander, we explore how centuries of interpretation have sometimes clouded the true heart of God—and how Jesus Himself is the perfect lens for reading every verse. Discover how cultural context, covenant shifts, and the life of Christ reveal God’s unchanging nature as Love. We dive into: * Why Jesus—not fear or punishment—is the ultimate revelation of God’s character * How to reconcile Old Testament portrayals of God with the life of Christ * The power of interpreting scripture through covenantal and cultural understanding * How to let go of distorted images of God and embrace Him as only and always good * What it means to live from relationship instead of religion * Why scripture is inspired and a true gift but not inerrant or infallible, only Christ as the Word is inerrant or infallible If you’ve ever struggled with difficult Bible passages or wrestled with the question, “Is God really good all the time?”—this conversation will set your heart free and ground you in His unshakable love. Website "School of Kingdom”: www.schoolofkingdom.com "The Joe Kingdom Perspective”: https://www.youtube.com/@JoeKingdomShow Link to "Reading Scripture Like Jesus" 3 Free Sessions: https://schoolofkingdom.mykajabi.com/offers/iEKod9Kn/checkout Link to "Kingdom Theology Volume 1": https://a.co/d/iUVPPUf Link to "Understanding Conspiracy Theories": https://schoolofkingdom.mykajabi.com/offers/9j5kHQFd/checkout Ready to Renew & Reignite Your Passion? * FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling * Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ ** To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ ** Please like, share, and subscribe — a little thing that makes a big difference!! Thank you! * Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
#1 Best Seller & #1 New Release in our category! Get your copy: https://amzn.to/3K2J9ZV #MarkedByLove #CatherineToon #LoveOfGod #LoveTransforms #identityinchrist #Billthrasher #JesusPurpose * God, Male & Female?: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM CONNECT WITH CATHERINE: * Website: https://catherinetoon.com/ * Facebook: @catherinetoonmd
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 Catherine has been in the business of changing lives for decades as an author, speaker, and prophetic coach. She is incredibly gifted at calling forth personal destiny and has helped thousands of individuals who are on that journey.

Is it possible to find peace and meaning in a world shaped by both chaos and order, certainty and mystery, suffering and joy? In this powerful conversation, Dr. Catherine Toon and guest Bill Thrasher dive deep into the sacred paradoxes woven throughout creation, scripture, and the human experience. From Newtonian laws to the mysteries of quantum physics, from the Tree of Life to the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they explore how divine tension points us to truth—and how every paradox finds its pivot and purpose in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. This episode explores: * The balance between predictability and divine mystery * How chaos and order coexist in God’s redemptive plan * Navigating the tension between control and surrender * Why true rest is found not in certainty, but in union with Christ * How the cross reframes suffering, mystery, and peace Perfect for those deconstructing rigid beliefs or reconstructing a vibrant, Spirit-filled worldview, this conversation invites you to embrace paradox as a portal into deeper intimacy with God. Contact Bill: Facebook: The Jesus Purpose Community: https://TheJesusPurpose.com Ready to Renew & Reignite Your Passion? * FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling * Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ ** To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ ** Please like, share, and subscribe — a little thing that makes a big difference!! Thank you! * Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
#1 Best Seller & #1 New Release in our category! Get your copy: https://amzn.to/3K2J9ZV #MarkedByLove #CatherineToon #LoveOfGod #LoveTransforms #identityinchrist #Billthrasher #JesusPurpose * God, Male & Female?: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM CONNECT WITH CATHERINE: * Website: https://catherinetoon.com/ * Facebook: @catherinetoonmd
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 * Free eBooks: https://catherinetoon.com/free-downloads/ 
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 * Free chapter of Marked by Love: https://catherinetoon.com/mblfreechapter/ ABOUT CATHERINE: Encouraging you to experience God and discover who you truly are!
 Catherine has been in the business of changing lives for decades as an author, speaker, and prophetic coach. She is incredibly gifted at calling forth personal destiny and has helped thousands of individuals who are on that journey.

If you're a regular listener of this podcast, you've probably heard of Bob Chapman and Raj Sisodia's book, Everybody Matters: The Extraordinary Power of Treating Your People Like Family. Well, I'm pleased to be able to finally tell this audience that a revised and expanded version of this seminal book will be released Oct. 21. It has 75 extra pages, catching readers up to Bob and Barry-Wehmiller's journey since Everybody Matters was originally released ten years ago. There are many new stories and insights that point to the thing we say at the top of each podcast: The way we lead impacts the way people live. You can find out all the particulars about the book and its release, download an excerpt and see more content at everybodymattersbook.com. On this podcast, we want to bring you a discussion between Bob and Raj where they talk about the new version of Everybody Matters. They have a wide-ranging discussion on the need for a new version, the impact of the original version and their hopes as this expanded edition is released into the world.

In this profound conversation, William Paul Young—author of The Shack—joins Dr. Catherine Toon to explore how God shows up in the very places we often try to escape: our pain, our confusion, and our chaos. Together, they unpack how transformation isn’t a lightning bolt from heaven, but a sacred, often spiral journey of revisiting wounds with God’s redeeming love. They explore the critical difference between grief and shame, the power of present-moment living, and how we’re invited to participate in—not control—God’s redemptive work in the world. This episode is a breath of fresh grace for anyone navigating deconstruction, burnout, trauma, or the ache of not knowing what's next. It’s a reminder that you’re not behind, not broken beyond repair, and never alone. Topics covered include: * God’s relentless presence in our darkest moments * Why transformation happens in spirals, not straight lines * Redeeming grief and silencing shame * Embracing your humanity as sacred * Letting go of grand callings and stepping into divine participation * The difference between knowing about God and knowing Him deeply Whether you're in the wilderness, at the edge of burnout, or rediscovering faith beyond formulas, this conversation will meet you right where you are—with healing, hope, and holy presence. For more information about Paul Young: https://wmpaulyoung.com/ Podcast: paulyoungpodcast.com * FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this vulnerable and refreshing conversation, Catherine Toon sits down with Pastor Channock Banet to unpack the heart behind his powerful new book, Enough Already. If you’ve ever wrestled with the pressures of performance, perfectionism, and religious expectations—especially within ministry—this episode is for you. Channock shares his journey as a pastor caught in the toxic cycle of doing for God instead of being with God. Through candid stories, deep spiritual insight, and life-giving humor, he unveils the grace of a Father who’s not impressed with your hustle—but captivated by your heart. This episode is a breath of fresh air for: * Leaders exhausted by the grind of ministry/work * People feeling stuck in shame, striving, self-doubt, and the lie of not being enough * Anyone hungry to give themselves permission and be empowered to discover how to operate out of your sonship/daughterhood, and rest in Christ You don’t have to prove anything. You already belong. You are enough. Contact Channock: Website: https://www.hillcity.tv/ Re-Initiative website: https://www.thepowerofre.com/ Email: channock@hillcity.tv "Enough Already" available on Amazon Podcast: 2 Pastors And A Mic on Apple and Spotify Ready to Renew & Reignite Your Passion? FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

If wisdom is so important in the life of a Christian, why is it that so many of us fail to develop disciplines that will lead us to lives of wisdom? Hank Hanegraaff has been friends with Mark DeMoss for over 40 years and on this episode, Mark joins the Hank to discuss a passion that they both share in common--wisdom literature. Mark DeMoss is so passionate about the subject that he wrote The Little Red Book of Wisdom to pass on what he has learned throughout his life about the importance of the pursuit of wisdom. No matter where we are in our walk with Christ, we can always develop a greater understanding of the wisdom of the Lord—we hope this conversation--and Mark's book--will help you develop a deeper well of wisdom. "Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom."Topics discussed include: Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom—Psalm 90:12 (5:15)What Mark's cancer diagnosis taught him about gratitude (10:30)A conversation Hank and Mark shared before both were unexpectedly diagnosed with cancer (16:00)What is the key to finishing life well? Living well today (18:45)What is focus? (29:20)Work less, think more—thinking is the hardest work there is (37:15)Buy Some Stamps—the lost art of letter writing (42:10)A wise perspective on possessions—what Mark learned when his home burned down (50:00)How much should we give? Think about a turtle on a fence post (55:10)The wisdom of firsts (1:03:00)There are no degrees of integrity—you have it or you don't (1:07:45)Read a chapter of Proverbs every day (1:10:45)Seek out older people—the wisdom of age (1:18:30)Read, Read, Read—The importance of books (1:23:15)Anticipating deathbed regrets—if you died today what regrets would you have? (1:29:00)Christians should be known as people of gratitude (1:34:15)For more information on The Little Red Book of Wisdom: Updated and Expanded Edition by Mark DeMoss please click here.  https://www.equip.org/product/cri-resource-the-little-red-book-of-wisdom-updated-and-expanded-edition/Listen to Hank's podcast and follow Hank off the grid where he is joined by some of the brightest minds discussing topics you care about. Get equipped to be a cultural change agent.Archived episodes are  on our Website and available at the additional channels listed below.You can help spread the word about Hank Unplugged by giving us a rating and review from the other channels we are listed on.

In this thought-provoking conversation, Catherine Toon hosts Dr. Matt Pandel (psychologist and theologian) and Paul Young (author of The Shack), as they dive into the powerful themes of Matt’s newest book "Fractured Witness." This work boldly recognizes the Church’s (Ekklēsia’s) fractured legacy—how faith has been used to justify harm, and how true redemption calls us back to the real Jesus and the reality of what the Church was always meant to be. You’ll hear deeply personal stories, theological reflections, and honest critiques of systems that distort the face of God. From the misuse of scripture to the weaponization of religion, we are invited to sit in the discomfort—and from that sacred space, rediscover a gospel of relentless love, healing, and reconciliation, that can and is occurring through the evolving beautiful healthy church, the way she was meant to be. ✨ If you’ve been wounded by the Church or are seeking to reconcile faith with truth, justice, and compassion and practical suggestions operate in community as God’s life-giving Church, this episode is for you. A behavioral psychologist and theologian, Dr. Matt Pandel is first and foremost a communicator. Ordained in the Anglican/Episcopal tradition, he remains fiercely ecumenical, believing the Church is best when she honors all of the traditions and expressions from which she is formed. In addition to his work as President and Professor of Trinitarian Theology and Spiritual Direction at Global Grace Seminary, he maintains a private consulting practice and serves as a regional mental health policy advisor. He resides in the picturesque Shenandoah Valley of Virginia with his wife and best friend, Carrie. 
 “Fractured Witness” available on Amazon To learn more about Dr. Matt: https://linktr.ee/drpandel www.noexceptionsministries.org For more information about Paul Young: https://wmpaulyoung.com/ Podcast: paulyoungpodcast.com FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this deeply moving conversation, Catherine Toon sits down with Brian Simmons—lead translator of The Passion Translation—to explore the breathtaking intimacy of God as our Bridegroom. This episode is a love letter from heaven, unveiling how God sees us: radiant, spotless, and utterly adored. You’ll discover what it means to ravage His heart with your beauty and be drawn into a divine romance unlike anything else. Brian shares powerful revelations on: - God’s “womb-love” (raqam) and the unfathomable Hebrew word chesed—love that originates before birth and never lets go.
 - How we are invited into the inner love circle of the Trinity—becoming a divine love quadrangle: Father, Son, Spirit, and Bride.
 - Perfect peace (shalom shalom) as God’s doubled promise—nothing missing, nothing broken.
 - Resting in the storm, trusting in the God who has His way in the whirlwind.
 - Transforming your pillow into a pillar of glory—laying down stress and letting divine affection stir your heart in the night. This conversation is for anyone longing to release anxiety, let go of striving, and step into the ecstasy of being fully seen, fully loved, and fully at rest in God. ~ Let your spirit be renewed. Come into the shelter of His glory. Let Him provide. Let Him love. ~ Brian and Candice have been described as true pioneers in ministry. As a spiritual father and mother, their teaching and spiritual gifts have opened doors in many nations to take the message of authentic awakening and revival to many. For the last 40 years, they have labored together to present Christ in His fullness wherever God sends them. Dr. Simmons is currently working as the lead translator of The Passion Translation and Chief Inspiration Officer at Passion & Fire Ministries Facebook: @Brian Simmons Instagram: @drbriansimmons Websites: https://passionandfire.com/ FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

What if everything you thought you knew about God needed a second look? In this engaging and heart-opening conversation, Catherine Toon interviews author and speaker Jason Clark about his provocative new book, “Rethinking God with Tacos.” Together, they explore what it means to rethink God—not through fear or shame, but through the lens of Jesus, perfect love, and radical grace. Jason shares his journey of deconstruction and reconstruction, revealing how a casual lunch conversation can become a divine invitation to experience God in a new, deeper way. If you've wrestled with a punishing image of God or struggled to reconcile your faith with Love, this episode is for you. * Discover how to leave behind toxic theology
 * Learn how God’s kindness leads us to transformation
 * Embrace a God who looks, loves, and lives like Jesus * Make sense and celebrate what the Lord does in hidden seasons Podcast: “Rethinking God with Tacos”, most major platforms YouTube: @Rethinking God with Tacos “Rethinking God with Tacos BOOK” available on Amazon Jason Clark: A Family Story: www.afamilystory.org www.linktr.ee/jasonclarkis FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this heart-centered episode, Catherine Toon sits down with Shannon Bates to explore the transformative power of honor, love, and unity—both in ministry and everyday relationships. Shannon shares her personal journey and deep encounter with Honor and Love. Together, they unpack how self-honor, acceptance, and gratitude are foundational to restoring relationships, fostering connection, and building a culture of oneness in a divided world. From practical stories to prophetic insights, this conversation is a timely invitation to embrace diversity, affirm identity, and cultivate deep unity rooted in love. If you’re longing to deepen your connection with others, walk in honor, and carry the heart of God into your relationships, this episode is for you. Contact Shannon: https://sons.global/ FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

Got A Machine Head. In this episode, we read J.R.R. Tolkien's letter to his son, Christopher, about a question of Genesis' unfashionable status amongst Christians and those who value beautiful ‘stories.' He also discusses Eden as it was, as it is to faith, and will be on the last day, the war of the machine, its triumph, and the consequences for modern man. SHOW NOTES:  The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien: Revised and Expanded Edition https://amzn.to/45fGOFc  Löhe Martyrology https://emmanuelpress.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/loehe_martyrologium.pdf The Parental dead end of consent morality https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-parental-dead-end-of-consent-morality-e4e8a8ee Large intersection with Luther v. Erasmus: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002f9f4 Billie Holiday and Strange Fruit https://www.biography.com/musicians/billie-holiday-strange-fruit    More from 1517: Support 1517 Podcast Network: https://www.1517.org/donate-podcasts 1517 Podcasts: http://www.1517.org/podcasts 1517 on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@1517org 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/channel/1517-podcast-network/id6442751370 1517 Events Schedule: https://www.1517.org/events 1517 Academy - Free Theological Education: https://academy.1517.org/   What's New from 1517: Sinner Saint by By Luke Kjolhaug: https://shop.1517.org/products/9781964419152-sinner-saint The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction by Donavan Riley: https://shop.1517.org/products/9781962654708-the-impossible-prize Ditching the Checklist by Mark Mattes: https://shop.1517.org/products/9781962654791-ditching-the-checklist Broken Bonds: A Novel of the Reformation, Book 1 of 2 by Amy Mantravadi: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1962654753?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_FCNEEK60MVNVPCEGKBD8_5&starsLeft=1    More from the hosts: Donovan Riley https://www.1517.org/contributors/donavon-riley  Christopher Gillespie https://www.1517.org/contributors/christopher-gillespie   MORE LINKS: Tin Foil Haloes https://t.me/bannedpastors Warrior Priest Gym & Podcast https://thewarriorpriestpodcast.wordpress.com   St John's Lutheran Church (Webster, MN) - FB Live Bible Study Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/356667039608511  Donavon's Substack https://donavonlriley.substack.com Gillespie's Substack https://substack.com/@christophergillespie  Gillespie's Sermons and Catechesis http://youtube.com/stjohnrandomlake  Gillespie Coffee https://gillespie.coffee   Gillespie Media https://gillespie.media     CONTACT and FOLLOW: Email mailto:BannedBooks@1517.org  Facebook https://www.facebook.com/BannedBooksPod/  Twitter https://twitter.com/bannedbooks1517   SUBSCRIBE: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@BannedBooks Rumble https://rumble.com/c/c-1223313  Odysee https://odysee.com/@bannedbooks:5 Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/banned-books/id1370993639  Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/2ahA20sZMpBxg9vgiRVQba  Overcast https://overcast.fm/itunes1370993639/banned-books 

In this powerful episode, Catherine Toon invites you into the sacred journey of transformation. In a world that celebrates instant gratification, Catherine gently reminds us that growth in God’s kingdom is a process—a holy, beautiful, and sometimes painful unfolding. Drawing from her prophetic insight and deep spiritual experience, she explores how God uses every moment—even our trials—to conform us into the image of Christ. You'll discover how to embrace the process with self-compassion, trust God's timing, and lean into His unconditional love. Whatever you are navigating, this episode will encourage you to stay the course, not only with patience and endurance, but with confident hope, know you are in the masterful, redemptive hands of a God Who brings beauty from barren things. Nothing is wasted. You're not alone. You're deeply loved, and your process is sacred. Special Opportunity:
FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass”: https://catherinetoon.com — don’t miss this chance to align with your God-given calling! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!