Podcasts about recession proof graduate

Justin Mares is an entrepreneur. He started two consumer brands that each have done $100mm+ in sales in less than 5 years (Kettle & Fire and Perfect Keto). He also started Surely Wines which has done millions in sales. He's now working on TrueMed, which allows health and wellness brands to tap into the $140B in consumer HSA/FSA accounts He is one of the most interesting people I've studied. 0:00 What Are You A Top 1% Consumer Of? 3:10 Why Is USA Sick & Unhealthy? (Justin's Current Obsession) 9:19 What Can You Do About It? 11:42 Spotting Trends 16:36 Making Connections With Interesting People 19:30 How Do You Take Depressed People & Make Them Happy 23:15 Is The World Getting Better Or Worse? 29:00 Justin's Current Project (TrueMed) 33:00 Finding Your Passion 35:31 Building A World-Class Network 40:52 Who Are The People Building The Future? 46:02 Justin's Calm Nature 49:10 What Makes For A Great Leader? 51:02 Building Neighborhood 54:30 How Do You Find A Partner? 58:55 Challenge Resources Mentioned * Mac Miller Tiny Desk Concert – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrR_gm6RqCo * Founders Podcast – https://www.founderspodcast.com * Justin Mares on Invest Like The Best – https://open.spotify.com/episode/4v7Snd5199djam0DjHThq7?si=590ef11ffc6d46cd * Recession Proof Graduate by Charlie Hoehn – https://www.amazon.com/Recession-Proof-Graduate-Want-Doing/dp/0990354814 * Bryan Johnson – https://twitter.com/bryan_johnson * Mark Hyman – https://twitter.com/drmarkhyman * Mike Johnson – https://twitter.com/johnsonmxe Justin Mares * Substack: https://justinmares.substack.com * Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwmares My Links

In this episode of the ROI Online Podcast, host Steve Brown interviews Charlie Hoen, a young entrepreneur, author, and public speaker. Charlie graduated amid the 2008 recession and, like a lot of millennials at the time, found entering the workforce difficult. After several months of looking for a job that he would actually enjoy doing, he decided there had to be a better way.Conventional wisdom wasn't working. He started approaching entrepreneurs with a proposal to help them improve a specific aspect of their business - for free. If they liked his work, at the end of a trial basis, they'd discuss payment. It worked. Charlie was working with some of his heroes in the world of business. He always wanted to be an entrepreneur; he knew finding successful entrepreneurs and sharing ideas with them was how to start. In 2009 he authored his first book, Recession Proof Graduate. He went on to write two more books, Play It Away: A Workaholic's Cure for Anxiety and Play for a Living: Quotes from People Who Found Joy in their Work, and Changed The World. Charlie also delivered a speech at a TEDx event at Carnegie Hall. His strategy was to create value and stop hoping he would get the job, but instead start as though he was already hired. His highest motivator? Play. Enjoying the work is a massive part of the battle for Charlie. In his book, Play It Away A Workaholic's Cure for Anxiety, Charlie discusses hitting a wall and his experience with burnout. At a point in his life where he was experiencing a lack of sleep, overstimulation, and no job, he tried every cure he could think of - but nothing seemed to help. It was a dark time and not dissimilar to what a lot of people may be experiencing now in quarantine. His breakthrough came when he read the book Play: How it Shapes the Brain, Opens the Imagination, and Invigorates the Soul by Stuart Brown. He started introducing play into his life, and it helped cure his anxiety. It also reminded Charlie why he loved his job in the first place: work was where he went to play.You can learn more about Charlie here:https://www.facebook.com/hoehnzone/https://twitter.com/charliehoehnhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOf1LKVHi07DFw1LveTsa4QHere are the links to Charlie's books on Amazon:Play It Away: A Workaholics Cure for Anxiety - https://amzn.to/3d98ZJrRecession Proof Graduate: How to Get the Job You Want by Doing Free Work - https://amzn.to/2M3kAOtStress Hacks: A Guide to Enjoy Life More - https://amzn.to/3eqWfyhThinking of starting your own podcast? Buzzsprout's secure and reliable posting allows you to publish podcasts online. Buzzsprout also includes full iTunes support, HTML5 players, show statistics, and WordPress plugins. Get started using this link to receive a $20 Amazon gift card and to help support our show!Support the show (https://cash.app/$stevemfbrown)

Here are the show notes from Javier, make sure to check out his podcast - Passion in Progress!  One episode I'd recommend is with Zach Horvath of Live a Great Story, someone who's going to be on here soon too!  Here are the show notes:  03:34 - Catalyst to entrepreneur journey after corporate job 04:07 - A year of cold e-mailing people 04:27 - Getting his first marketing client 05:18 - Sachit gets in an accident out of country with no insurance, intro into negotiating with his medical expenses 08:29 - Working with Andrew Warner Founder of Mixergy 08:57 - work for free so people can see your skill set 10:04 - Working with Tim Ferriss 11:32 - Recommends reading "Recession Proof Graduate" because of the e-mail script 12:24 - Working with Tim ferriss 14:25 - working with Seth Godin 15:30 - Does working for free ever a bad idea? 17:10 - "It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and it takes 5 minutes to ruin it” - Warren Buffett 17:43 - How do you get better at selling if all you want to do is create 18:55 - Breaking down my streams of revenue 22:14 - Marketing to people with an audience do you want to have a few clients and charge them a lot or have a lot of clients and charge them less? 26:52 - Describing how a podcast syndication service works 28:01 - How do you get sponsorships for you podcast? 28:18 - How Sachit does sponsorships pricing for bigger podcasts like Mixergy 30:23 - How to price sponsorships for small podcast 33:57 - How to find a good sponsor for your specific show 35:46 - Book Recommendation "Social Proof the Psychology of Persuasion" 36:55 - How do you say no to people 37:55 - How to focus on the actual thing that is going to drive money 39:12 - How has the transition been from behind the scenes to being in front of the camera 40:38 - How have your first couple podcasts been? 41:35 - Interview process and not using bullet points on a guest 43:48 - How reading books and listening to other podcasts helps you in being a better podcaster 45:11 - Curiosity is important 46:06 - Emailing Mark Cuban 47:30 - Is Responding to every E-mail important? 48:09 - Focus on meeting the people who help famous people, that will lead you to working with the famous person 49:22 - Marketing boils down to really understanding who you are talking to 50:07 - Call people in your audience and actually talk to them 51:27 - Talking in person vs dm 53:06 - How cultivating relationships has paid off 53:28 - How to get into conferences that you can't afford

My guest on this episode is Charlie Hoehn. Charlie is an author, filmmaker, and marketing strategist. Best known for his playful approach to work, his books — Play It Away, Play for a Living, and Recession-Proof Graduate — have sold more than 10,000 copies.His work on mental health has reached millions of people. For four years, his article How I Cured My Anxiety was the #1 Google result for the search “anxiety cure.”He has advised hundreds of authors, including Ramit Sethi, Charles Duhigg and Gary Vaynerchuk. He has worked with Tim Ferriss as his Director of Special Projects and helped launch Tim's book, The 4-Hour Body.

In this week's episode, Chris and Atish review Charlie Hoehn's online book, "The Recession Proof Graduate" and assess how it's premise pertains to their past and future endeavors Recession Proof Graduate PDF Here's to you Mrs. Robinson Stay tuned and subscribe for further episodes! Email us at podcast@cscottcreate.com Twitter: Atish: @Atish_Mazish Chris: @elephantscout

Traditionally, power was what was seen, what was shown and what was manifested and, paradoxically, found the principle of its force in the movement by which it deployed that force. Those on whom it was exercised could remain in the shade; they received light only from that portion of power that was conceded to them, or from the reflection of it that for a moment they carried. Disciplinary power, on the other hand, is exercised through its invisibility; at the same time it imposes on those whom it subjects a principle of compulsory visibility. In discipline, it is the subjects who have to be seen. In this episode of Made You Think, Neil and I discuss Discipline and Punish by Michel Foucault. In this book Foucault discusses the history of, and differences between, discipline and punishment. We find that, despite being one of the founding fathers of postmodernism, Foucault’s ideas are reasonable and well thought out. “In monarchical law, punishment is a ceremonial of sovereignty; it uses the ritual marks of the vengeance that it applies to the body of the condemned man; and it deploys before the eyes of the spectators an effect of terror as intense as it is discontinuous, irregular and always above its own laws, the physical presence of the sovereign and of his power.” We cover a wide range of topics, including: Freedom of speech vs. Freedom from offense Whether language is interpreted by the speaker or the receiver Hierarchy in modern society A gruesome public execution How obtuse writing is intellectual signalling by serious philosophers And much more. Please enjoy, and be sure to grab a copy of Discipline and Punish by Michel Foucault! 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Up to now, every book we’ve done we’d recommend - this one we don’t recommend. We would not wish this book on other people. 01:20 - We’d intended to read a postmodernist book, having been so negative about them in the past, but it turned out this wasn’t so much about postmodernism. While it doesn’t have a lot of the key themes we see today in postmodernism, the ideas are still very relevant to the conflicts that are talked about. Big focus on power-dynamics. 02:35 - Foucault’s not really arguing for anything in particular, it’s more his interpretation of the history of punishment. The language is very verbose, it’s almost unreadable. Derrida and Foucault are both famous for being difficult to read. Intellectual signalling. There’s a temptation in philosophy to write like this. 05:30 - Fallacy of correlation: just because great people happen to have bad habits does not mean you must copy them to become great yourself. They were great despite the bad habits. 06:20 - The idea that if something is easily understood it’s not suitable for teaching at uni. 07:40 - Kept pushing this episode back because it was a slog to get through the book. There are interesting ideas in it, regardless. 08:20 - The evolution of the prison system. The book is a four part history of discipline and punishment. 09:16 - This is said to be Foucault’s best work. The writer was born in France and moved to Berkeley to teach, he was gay, and an early advocate for gay rights. He later moved to the San Francisco area to be around that scene. He eventually died of HIV/AIDS. 10:15 - Foucault’s book The History of Sexuality book is very supportive of the non-heteronormative lifestyle which is where the postmodernists get a lot of their ideas about sexuality from. 10:50 - Sign up for our email list, we send out what books we are going to cover ahead of time and because of that we feel obliged to always finish a book. Sign up to help pressure us, it’s a great email list. 12:00 - Possible follow-up episode for this that’s more about postmodernism in general. Would be interesting to see a pro argument for it. 13:30 - Let us know on twitter (@nateliason) (@TheRealNeilS) if you’d like us to try out a slightly different format for the podcast where we do more of a deep dive into a school of philosophy, find out where it came from and its key ideas. 13:50 - The history of punishment. A brutal public execution with fireworks. One of the last public executions in France. Very graphic, an all day event that people traveled to see happen, in the 1750s. It was gruesome and every part of it got botched. 16:00 - In this section, Foucault says that punishment was historically a warning to others. Punishment was a way of the sovereignty speaking to the masses, saying to them what would happen if they out-stepped their boundaries. 17:30 - Part of what Foucault is arguing is that in the transition to prison, society moved from pure punishment - in which the person who commited the crime serves as a broader example to society - to rehabilitation of the individual. 18:00 - There is a thread of humanism in the book. The idea of rehabilitation is linked to the idea of every person having a soul that can be redeemed. The idea of making a person pay in life so that God would judge them less harshly in the afterlife. 19:00 - Believing in the value of people seems to be a major shift in humanity in the last 2-300 years, but this could equally just be a function of telling history. Previous societies more communal than the modern-day, individualistic US. 22:55 - Foucault points out here that while punishment was confined to those who did wrong, discipline became a part of life. All elements of society were built around these disciplinary structures. 23:40 - Punishment started as crimes against the sovereign and shifted to crimes against others. An individual has a place, but a place also has an individual. Everybody is integrated but also interchangeable and expendable. 25:35 - The strict imposition of hierarchy in all parts of life. Before, people could be punished for breaking the law but now you could be punished for only breaking societal norms. Start of a class system. Foucault suggests these are all artificial constructs imposed on us but that we all go along with. The postmodernist idea that the patriarchy is an artificial manifestation of power rather than an emergent result of inequality. 28:32 - Taleb said in Skin in the Game that it’s not how close together wealth classes are that a society uses to measure its equality it’s how easily there is movement between those classes. In Florence, the same few families are at the top of society since the 1600s. 29:15 - 80% turnover in the richest people in the last 20 or so years. Also above 50% of people will have at least one year of being in the top 5 income. 30:26 - Possibilities of a return to city-states. 31:28 - Any idle time is a waste. Punishment punishes you for not being somewhere you’re supposed to be according to a timetable but discipline allows you to make a greater use of that time. Through discipline you can multiply your positive output, like negative reinforcement vs positive reinforcement. 32:15 - Apprenticeships are still around in the modern day only not codified as they were previously. Cold calling/emailing firms can work as a way in if you can offer them something valuable. Like Andrés, who puts together the podcasts. 39:58 - Some of Foucault’s sentences are so long you need Eminem’s lungs to read them out loud. 40:00 - Foucault says that buildings become designed to maintain control over the people within them. Cities that have emerged organically are very much unknowable from the top. So they are redesigned to zone them or make them into grids. 43:00 - Washington DC was designed from the top-down to be more organic feeling. Apparently they designed it to be hard to navigate to prevent invasions. In places like India, the cities have been constructed from the bottom up and so eCommerce is difficult as deliveries are really hard to do. 44:20 - Question of how self-driving cars will change the layouts of cities. 45:10 - There’s no great way to take skyscrapers down or even deal with them when they age, they were never planned to be taken down. In Munich there are a lot of pedestrianized areas with pop-up bars and cafes. 46:55 - There were a few main groups who founded America including the Puritans, the Quakers and Catholics, a lot of whose beliefs are codified in law, leading now to a more socially conservative country compared to much of Europe. 49:50 - Ranks and hierarchies play on our nature as social creatures and our in-built desire to know where in the hierarchy we fit in. This can be seen in the importance of titles in big companies, how it’s taken so seriously on the inside that from the outside it can seem almost funny. Titles are a cheap form of compensating somebody, like giving kids gold stars. 54:08 - Division is a big theme in the book. Among the Postmodernists the oppressor is like the entity that has the plague. Foucault calls out that humans have always had this distinction between good and bad, healthy and unhealthy. A tribal view. This is one of his ideas that we see the most in the modern day. 59:07 - Nietzsche was not a nazi, you can see how some of his ideas led to nazism but there is not a complete match up. 59:46 - There are a lot of things we think are normal now but were thought of abnormal in the past. 1:00:50 - Aristotle said that women can’t think well enough to vote; he wasn’t sexist, that’s just what people thought at the time. 1:01:10 - People take Foucault’s basic ideas too far when they say that all distinctions between individuals have to be disregarded. Foucault would say that it’s wrong to say one difference is abnormal where the other is normal but differences in themselves are fine. The difference can’t be argued but any judgement made on those differences is subjective. 1:03:00 - There was nothing objectionable in this book besides the writing style. 1:03:35 - The word “normal” is very loaded. Supermajority and outliers. Distribution judgements vs. value judgements. Gender normative views. It’s all about terminology. 1:06:32 - Words shape people’s thoughts, the use of words can change opinions and win arguments. People’s interpretations of language shapes their worldview. 1:08:00 - Postmodernism treats language as interpreted by the receiver whereas in most of life we have to treat language as interpreted by the speaker. 1:09:36 - You don’t have a right not to be offended. You can’t have freedom of speech and freedom from offense. Freedom of speech is not there so people can talk about the weather. 1:10:40 - Germany has so many anti-Nazi laws meaning that people can go to prison for things they say. It is thought of as a free country but the interpretation of freedom is very different to that in America. 1:11:50 - It’s strange that freedom of speech is something that needs to be defended. 1:13:44 - Virtue signaling with upper-middle class white kids feeling the need to do walkouts to defend minorities from being offended. Very patronizing and even offensive. 1:18:30 - Postmodernists say you have to not assume anyone’s gender because gender is fluid, and people who decide to change gender are now that gender. Logic is a patriarchal concept! These ideas are not from Foucault so the modern postmodernists must be getting them from somewhere completely different. 1:19:30 - Jordan Peterson and Foucault would get along. 1:20:00 - The issue a lot of philosophers have where their ideas get taken way further past where they themselves drew their conclusions. Karl Marx, towards the end of his life recanted some of the more extreme ideas of Das Kapital. 1:20:44 - If there is something we are missing about these arguments, please let us hear about it, tweet us (@nateliason) (@TheRealNeilS)! 1:21:36 - A lot of the most post-moderny kids on campus are the outcasts. 1:25:40 - Racial jokes used to be part of bonding but now it seems that people are too afraid to say things. 1:28:12 - Closing thought: anytime you see a modern philosophy it’s worth going to the original source. 1:30:00 – People that make this show happen: Perfect Keto is the one-stop shop for all your ketogenic diet needs. The ketogenic diet is really effective for weight loss. Perfect Keto’s exogenous ketones helps you get into ketosis. Use the 20% coupon mentioned in the episode or go to www.perfectketo.com/think. Kettle & Fire bone broth helps you warm in this winter. Theory says we were scavengers and sucked up the bone colagens. 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Charlie is the author of Play It Away and Recession-Proof Graduate. He's spoken at the Pentagon, TEDx, and universities around the world. Charlie is the Head of Podcast & Video for Book in a Box. He lives in Austin, Texas with his wife and two dogs. Today we’re talking about Charlie's experience with extreme anxiety and how he cured it primarily through play and switching to a play mindset. In this episode, we discuss: How he coordinated a huge event for Tim Ferriss The 1:3 sleep to wake ratio Charlie's slow and steady build to debilitating anxiety The various modalities Charlie tried to help relieve his anxiety eg. meditation, supplements, psychedelics, & fasting The book that was the tipping point during Charlie’s anxiety recovery How play completely cured Charlie of anxiety and depression within a few weeks How improv allowed Charlie to embrace what was going on in the moment Adopting a play mindset Children generally fall into one of 3 categories: secure, avoidant, or anxious We can all choose to view the world as a playground and the world tends to respond accordingly How to figure out what types of play best suits you Start by scheduling in as little as 30 minutes of play a week Outdoor sports are one of the best ways to reduce anxiety, especially in men Pay to play Fitting play into the workday It's ideal to find work that doesn't feel like work Finland has up to 2 hours of recess a day Are tracking devices such as Fitbit’s and social media taking away from the play experience? The less screen time you get, the happier you're going to be It's liberating to get rid of stuff - minimalism Finding an environment/location that supports your wellbeing Start smiling and saying hello to strangers on the street Intentional vs. random acts of kindness The more sleep you get, the better your work is The ultimate cheat in life... a 15-20 minute nap Show sponsors: Perfect Keto

"The opposite of play is not work. The opposite of play is depression." - Charlie Hoehn Charlie Hoehn is the Head of Author Marketing for Book In A Box and has written several best-selling books of his own: Play It Away and Recession-Proof Graduate, that offer simple solutions that help people get on with their lives.  Previously, Charlie interned with Seth Godin, Ramit Sethi and was Tim Ferriss’ Director of Special Projects, whom he helped edit and launch The 4-Hour Body. The book debuted as a bestseller — #1 New York Times, #1 Amazon, #1 Barnes & Noble. When he graduated college in the midst of the recession, Charlie Hoehn found a way to provide value, allowing him to thrive when many others suffered. His unique approach - explained in this interview - has enabled him to rub shoulders with and learn from some of the most powerful minds of our time. Charlie's own "workaholic" nature drove him to depression and serious bouts of anxiety which led him to discover the power of play and how it can help us increase happiness and reduce anxiety. This podcast is loaded with lessons from Charlie's mentors (Seth Godin, Ramit Sethi, and Tim Ferris) as well as actionable strategies for you to end the guilt you feel when you're not working, reduce stress and anxiety, and how to build more play (read: joy & happiness) into your life.

Charlie Hoehn is the Head of Thought Leader Media for Book In A Box. As an author, he is the literary equivalent of a Snickers bar. His books, Play It Away and Recession-Proof Graduate, offer simple solutions that help people get on with their lives. Charlie has spoken at the Pentagon, TEDx Santo Domingo and Carnegie Mellon, U.S. military bases, and universities throughout North America. He is the host of the Author Hour podcast — enlightening conversations about books, with the authors who wrote them. Previously, Charlie was Tim Ferriss' Director of Special Projects, whom he helped edit and launch The 4-Hour Body. The book debuted as a bestseller — #1 New York Times, #1 Amazon, #1 Barnes & Noble. Their “Land Rush” marketing campaign sold 15,000 copies in three days. Charlie was the primary point of contact for over 10,000 customers and dozens of sponsors. Join the changemaker tribe: www.theinnerchangemaker.com/tribe Show notes and links: www.theinnerchangemaker.com/podcast/131   LINKS -- Join the Legacy Driven Entrepreneurs Community (it's FREE): http://www.theinnerchangemaker.com/tribe Are you enjoying the podcast? Listen to the episode here and leave us a review: Apple: http://apple.co/1JUHcG9 Android: http://bit.ly/2nuoGpl TuneIn: http://bit.ly/2BjY0gU Breaker: http://bit.ly/2BRwOCb iHeartRadio: http://bit.ly/2BhMr9L Spotify: http://spoti.fi/2BbuWEg Want to grab my NEW audio training? Grab a FREE copy of "How To Be The Leader You Truly Are": http://www.theinnerchangemaker.com/leadership Launching a podcast? Grab my Podcast Creation Roadmap: http://www.theinnerchangemaker.com/roadmap

“The irony is that you do so much better, when you stop caring about the outcome and start connecting in the moment and being your best.” - Charlie Hoehn Charlie graduated in 2008 into one of the worst job markets in history, and after a few months of fruitlessly throwing his resume out on Monster, started cold emailing entrepreneurs he wanted to work with. That soon led to working with Ramit Sethi, Tucker Max, and eventually Tim Ferriss who he worked with for three years. Charlie took what he learned from landing these mentorships and compiled it into a book, “Recession Proof Graduate,” which has been read by hundreds of thousands of people around the world, and was one of the first books that inspired me to get off the traditional college path. But then, something happened. Charlie stopped feeling like himself, and after a particularly crazy week of work, realized he was developing anxiety that was having a growing negative impact on his life. It soon reached the point where, as he said, his own girlfriend didn’t even recognize him, and only after trying everything under the sun did he stumble on play as a means of getting out of that mental state and getting control back over his life. We dive into all of this during the episode, including: What makes someone stand out when reaching out for mentorship How to develop skills, on your own, that you can pitch to people you want to work with Ways to make the money work while you’re doing the free work you’re excited about Why you can’t rely on great grades and a degree to get you a job How to treat and prevent anxiety through play Ways to bring more play into your life and avoid the busy trap As always, show notes and more can be found at: https://nateliason.com/podcast Find Charlie Online: Charlie’s website Charlie’s Twitter Charlie’s Amazon page     Mentioned in the show: Monster.com Recession Proof Graduate (book) Play It Away: A Workaholic's Cure for Anxiety (book) Charlie’s Play for a Living book Kickstarter campaign Buffer Programming for Marketers Career Builder I Will Teach You To Be Rich Tim Ferriss Book in a Box Play (book) Man’s Search for Meaning (book) Pandemic (board game) Slomo (video) Supermensch (movie trailer) 2:30 - Introduction 8:35 - Charlie’s story, him speaking on beginning his career, and doing unpaid work to find valuable connections. 18:00 - How Charlie made ends meet while doing unpaid work in the field. 22:03 - Charlie’s advice on how to reach out to people and succeed. 30:12 - Charlie on how he learned certain skills to offer to people. 32:52 - How Charlie found freelance jobs to hone his skills. 40:03 - Charlie speaking in-depth on anxiety and living more playfully. 51:07 - Charlie on the power of play, it’s benefits, and how vital it is for well-being. 1:06:51 - Simple ways you can bring more play into a busy lifestyle. 1:11:39 - Charlie’s advice on how to meet people with similar interests. 1:14:53 - Charlie’s wisdom for college students and the importance of creating your own agenda. 1:18:44 - Wrap up. If you enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe at https://nateliason.com/podcast

There's this underlying current with everybody that you need to justify your existence with these major accomplishments. You need to show everybody else that you're doing it right. But really, you were just given this life. None of us asked for this. This was all a gift. So it's crazy to fall into these rhythms where we think “that's what I need to be doing.” Rather than reflect on, what are the moments that brought me joy where no one was grading me, no one was forcing me to do the activity, I was just doing what I wanted to do. What were those things that you did as a kid, those activities where you were just left to your own devices, you were on your leisure time, you weren't in school, no one was directing you or instructing you to do anything. What were the activities that you were repeatedly and voluntarily turning to because that's really your Northstar. – Charlie Hoehn Charlie Hoehn is the Head of Author Marketing for Scribe Writing. As an author himself, he is the literary equivalent of a Snickers bar. His books, Play It Away and Recession-Proof Graduate, offer simple solutions that help people get on with their lives. He's also the creator of Play for a Living: A Coffee Table Book for Your Inner Genius See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Why do some people find success while other people — people who actually did better in school or had more opportunities — struggle to get by? Nate and Jason talk about honesty, calculated risks, betting on yourself, and showing up to the right places — and how that's led to their success in business and in life. 0:00 — Nate explains why this episode starts at a weird point. 1:35 — The conversation begins and Jason wants to avoid being masturbatory. 3:45 — The guys start to break down the keys to their post-high school success. 8:30 — "I was working in the most soul-sucking job I've ever had, which was as tech support for a major satellite TV company. And that — oh my god — that is like looking into the maw of hell." - Jason 10:19 — "Having you come and basically look around and go 'Dude, are you serious about this?' — that was a good wake-up call and it was definitely something that was very helpful in pulling my shit back on track." - Jason 12:28 — "I took a lot of risks that other people saw as risks that I didn't." - Nate 13:23 — "I was just ambitious and just annoying enough to get on their radar but not enough to piss them off to where they didn't wanna talk to me anymore, and those became my first couple of mentors." 13:50 — Nate's quick story about turning down cute girls, rejecting Alwyn Cosgrove's advice, running sprints, and vomiting in a 12-hour span. 15:40 — Lou Schuler: http://amzn.to/1Kg37MI 16:40 — Nate's book Built for Show: http://amzn.to/1MPjoKl 17:40 — "Successful entrepreneurs, I think they do take a lot of risks, but they never feel as risky to somebody who's an entrepreneur as they would to somebody who is looking at the situation from the outside." - Jason 19:25 — T-Nation: http://bit.ly/1MPk7vc 20:10 — Jason talks about quitting his full-time job, turning down another, and betting on himself. 22:10 — "Oh, I ate so much ramen for the first couple of months." - Jason 24:10 — Jason explains the importance of physically showing up to the right places. 29:15 — Recession Proof Graduate by Charlie Hoehn: http://bit.ly/1Jh2ArC 31:00 — Nate talks about what he would do if his salary disappeared. 37:09 — "The idea is success is fluid so I think it's just a matter of defining it for yourself and then, I don't know, being ok with whatever happens after." - Nate 38:50 — "The goal of a project isn't to launch the project. The goal of a project is to enjoy working on the project." - Jason 40:09 — "The most successful person in the world is still looking toward their next thing." - Jason 40:40 — "I found out that we're technically millennials, which at first kinda made me sad, but now I don't care." - Jason 41:17 — "As many Ws as you can control." – Jason, referring to a quote from Tim Ferriss's *4-Hour Workweek*: "Money is multiplied in practical value depending on the number of W's you control in your life: what you do, when you do it, where you do it, and with whom you do it." http://bit.ly/1NyMsWE 42:22 — "I have to take a piss." - Nate 42:45 — Rate the podcast or leave a review on iTunes: http://apple.co/1Jsj6C3 and be sure to check out the website: http://www.2ftat.com/