Beyond Consultation

First up, a big announcementToday's episode is significant as it marks the last interview the Beyond Consultation Podcast will be releasing for the foreseeable future. That's big! But why end a good thing... find out more in the episode.Introducing Jade Tang-TaylorThis kōrero with Jade asks how do we care for ourselves when we care for our work?Working to change systems and organisations is tough work. It's never complete. Your efforts often pass by with no thanks. (And often you bear the brunt of people's negative emotions.)We also talk about how our culture and heritage can profoundly affect our work. Our history shapes our future - whether we're aware of it or not.In today's episode you'll learn: How to care for yourself even when that feels like the last thing on your list How to embrace the legacy of your cultural heritage within your mahi The effects of AI in the workplace and how you can maintain your humanity in the midst of massive technological and social change. Resources mentioned in this episode: ⁠The Long Time Academy Podcast. ⁠ ⁠Check out Academy X here. ⁠ ⁠Connect with Jade Tang-Taylor on Linkedin here. ⁠ Sign up for the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Beyond Consultation newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up for our monthly newsletter and get powerful insights to help your organisation better serve communities. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Judy Zhang How can we put relationships, learning and a systems-view at the centre of our work? This question is what guides my kōrero with Construction Accord Director, Judy Zhang. The Construction Accord is a shared commitment between government and industry to transform the construction sector. In 2022, the government set out a three-year action plan to tackle the sector's systemic challenges and build resilience across the industry. With the temptation to sweep failures under the rug when working in the public sector, Judy shares how transformative it can be when we put learning at the heart of our work. In today's episode you'll learn: What happens when you put relationships and learning at the center of systems change. Why evaluation needs to be everybody's job (not just the data people's) How to shift from KPIs (focused on proving your progress) to meaningful measures (focused on learning). Resources mentioned in this episode: Learn more about the Construction Accord mahi here. Get more insight with the Construction Sector Accord evaluation report here. Expand your Behavioral insights understanding in policy here. Find the Construction Sector Accord Transformation Plan here. Read about the Theory of Change here. Sign up for the ⁠Beyond Consultation newsletter⁠ Sign up for our monthly newsletter and get powerful insights to help your organisation better serve communities. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Natalia Sexton How can a philanthropic funder use its power, influence and resources to enable systems change? Today's kōrero with is with Natalia Sexton, General Manager of Weave (the new name for the Working Together More Fund). Natalia has advised and held leadership positions with Iwi, Government, NGO's and Philanthropy. You can hear her passion coming through for centering whānau and community voices in transformational change. Like me, Natalia is a recovering law graduate - but don't hold that against us.

Introducing Tracey Shepherd August's episode is another gem brought to you through my Inspiring Communities connection (big shout out to the wonderful people that work there). Tracey Shepherd, REAP Aotearoa National Director, on the committee for Cloudkids Educare and coordinator of Fab Feathy, a community-led development initiative in Pae Tū Mokai Featherston. Our kōrero today centres around the incredible force of coming together as a community, supporting each other, and just bloody getting on with it. In such a time of disconnect, it's more important than ever to reconnect. In today's episode you'll learn: The power of a community leading and doing it for themselves. Invest in the outcomes you want, but adjust your thinking in how to achieve those outcomes. The work that REAP Aotearoa and Fab Feathy are doing in leading community development. Resources mentioned in this episode: Connect with Tracey Shepherd on Linkedin. REAP Aotearoa. Fab Feathy. Sign up for the Beyond Consultation newsletter Sign up for our monthly newsletter and get powerful insights to help your organisation better serve communities. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Vanessa Sidney-Richmond and Sarah Morris Today's episode was sparked by the recent release of a report called Make the Move: Shifting How the Public Sector Works with Communities. I don't know about you, but that's a topic I can get in behind. In today's episode, I talk to Vanessa Sidney-Richmond, Pou Whirinaki of Te Tihi o Ruahine Whānau Ora Alliance, and Sarah Morris, Freelance Social and Systems Change Consultant and author of the report (commissioned by Inspiring Communities). In our kōrero, the overarching theme is around the question; how can we shift the way the public sector works with communities? How can we broaden government's role so it's about creating the conditions for change, alongside creating solutions themselves? We cover a few key topics in today's episode, and that's what I love about these interviews! A complete collaboration and sharing of ideas and opinions. So please, enjoy this impactful kōrero with Vanessa and Sarah, and make sure to check out the report. Don't just listen to this episode... share it with your team and use the report to inspire some deep learning, reflection and action. In today's episode you'll learn: What 'locally led, regionally supported and nationally enabled' really means and how this approach can positively impact communities. What do we mean by 'creating the conditions for change'? (And why is that shift so important?) How can we rebalance the relationship between government and community, bit by bit? Resources mentioned in this episode: The Make the Move Report ⁠⁠ Connect with Sarah on Linkedin. Learn more about Vanessa's organisation Te Tihi Inspiring Communities website. Powerdigm website. Sign up for the Beyond Consultation newsletter Sign up for our monthly newsletter and get powerful insights to help your organisation better serve communities. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Mele Wendt Most of us have heard about IQ (your intellectual quotient), and some of us have heard about EQ (your emotional quotient). But what do you know about your CQ - your cultural quotient? In a world of diverse ethnicities and cultures, it's time to grow your cultural awareness. In today's episode, Mele Wendt graciously gives us some tough love and unpacks some Pasifika concepts of governance and collaboration. Her whakapapa roots back to Samoa, and so her perspective comes through a Samoan lens. Mele shares with us how the Samoan governance system is so different, yet so similar to Western governance systems. And she challenges us to stop lumping "the Pasifika community" together as one, and instead get out there and learn about the rich cultural diversity and needs of Pasifika communities before we engage. In today's episode you'll learn: What is CQ and how can you grow yours How Samoan governance is similar to Western governance (and how you can embrace that when working with Pasifika peoples) Some hard-hitting practical tips for engaging with Pasifika communities. Resources mentioned in this episode: The Learning Lab Connect with Mele on Linkedin. Sign up for the Beyond Consultation newsletter Sign up for our monthly newsletter and get powerful insights to help your organisation better serve communities. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Dr Emily Beausoleil  In today's episode, Dr Emily Beausoleil asks a fundamental question: How do we make it easier for people in advantaged positions to listen effectively? Because let's face it. In today's society, listening is the poor cousin to talking. We face immense challenges in building the capacity for better listening in our institutions, our online spaces and our everyday interactions. Emily's work explores the conditions, challenges, and possibilities of democratic engagement in diverse societies. Born and raised in Canada, Emily is aware of her own privilege and curious about her place in Aotearoa New Zealand. In this epsiode, we explore listening in Aotearoa's context - how can we learn from, and listen to, our tangata, our people, when engaging with different organisations? How can we make sure we have an awareness of their history, culture, structure and location - all in hopes of deeper understanding? In today's episode you'll learn: What research tells us about how to enable (or disable) good listening How can we listen more intentionally, in hopes of gaining a deeper understanding. How to navigate your own privilege (or challenge) in different contexts. Resources mentioned in this episode: The Learning Lab Connect with Dr Emily Beausoleil through Victoria University Connect with Dr Emily Beausoleil on Linkedin Tauiwi Tautoko - an online programme to grow your capacity to change the narrative when encountering racism or hatred online Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up for our monthly newsletter and get insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Ivan Tava “It's about the process, not just the outcome. It's the journey, not just the goal.” Ivan Tava grew up in the South Island - Te Waipounamu - and that experience has really shaped him. He continues to serve the people of Te Waipounamu today. In the daytime, he leads the development of PWC's consulting team. At night and during the weekends, he puts his energy into serving his people as part of the Pacific Data Sovereignty Network. In today's episode, he takes us on a journey through his cultural roots to help you understand how to better serve Māori and Pasifika whānau. Ivan has some hard-hitting messages about how you treat your brown staff within your own organisation. If you cannot connect with your brown staff, you will not connect with their communities. In today's episode you'll learn: How to connect with your Māori and Pasifika staff (and how not to treat them!) What to do with your privileged position to support the aspirations of your Māori and Pasifika staff How to honour the sovereignty of data about Pacific peoples. Resources mentioned in this episode: Connect with Ivan on Linkedin. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up for our monthly newsletter and get insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Kelsey Taimaiporea Three Waters. We've all heard about it, most of us have seen a "stop Three Waters" billboard somewhere in Aotearoa. But what does it really involve? How does the Three Waters initiative impact Māori? Today we talk to Kelsey Taimaiporea, Three Waters Engagement Lead at New Plymouth District Council. A large part of Kelsey's role is to engage meaningfully with Iwi to navigate tapu (sacred) sites and the significant impact of these changes. Engaging Māori communities means visiting the marae, listening to their stories and drinking a thousand cups of tea to truly understand the tangata whenua that are being impacted. In today's episode you'll learn: Three Waters - we've all heard about it but what is it? How Three Waters impacts Iwi in Aotearoa The significance of engaging meaningfully with those communities most impacted by these changes Resources mentioned in this episode: Three Waters NPDC. Connect with Kelsey on Linkedin. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our monthly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Mike Reid Today is our fourth of our series of Throwback episodes, and this one takes us way back to Ep 7! The perfect bite-sized episode for easy listening - Mike Reid discusses the unique diversity emerging in local government now, and how there is so much space to enable even more community-led decisions and consultations. Mike Reid leads an incredibly powerful project with Local Government NZ, the Localism Project. Reinvigorating local democracy is at the heart of the Localism Project, by supporting local councils and communities to make decisions that affect them. In today's episode you'll learn about: The positive changes in council diversity over the last few decades (which may surprise you). How important it is to use the right language when consulting with communities and councils. Why it's important to allow space for more community-led decisions and consultations. Resources mentioned on the show Localism NZ website Full Episode 7 with Mike Reid. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Ayla Hoeta Ayla Hoeta is a kaiāwhina - a Lecturer - from Waipapa Taumata Rau, the University of Auckland. Ayla is a māmā of two teenage sons, and comes her whākapapa roots are connected to the South of Tāmaki Makaurau. Carrying a deep understanding of racial segregation, poverty and the inequality rooted in Aotearoa, Ayla has sought to heal the generational wound ingrained into our tangata whenua - our people - through connecting to her identity and whākapapa, to better empathise and create change for others. Through this healing, Ayla has developed a framework called Hautū Waka; a navigational framework rooted in mātauranga Māori that can be used as a tool to help navigate complexity. Part of this framework process is around switching our thinking from human centred design to whānau and whakapapa centred design; rooting these decisions in mātauranga Māori. Also in today's episode, we dive deep into what it means to be a good Treaty partner and the true effects of subtle racism in the workplace. In today's episode you'll learn: What it means to be a good Treaty partner What we do when we encounter racism and what breaking generational trauma means for tangata whenua The deeper meaning behind the word whānau Hautū Waka - where did it come from? How can you use it? Resources mentioned in this episode: The Hautū Waka framework The Southern Initiative from Auckland Council. Upsouth innovative youth engagement programme. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Matthew Crozier Today's episode is our third in our series of Throwbacks - this time we relive our conversation with Matthew Crozier from Ep 10, looking at how building online digital engagement spills over, aiding to level up your organisations community engagement. Matthew is co-founder of Bang the Table, connecting millions of people with hundreds of organisations globally. In today's episode you'll learn: What is a “community engagement platform”? And why would my organisation need one? How to embed digital engagement across your organisation The benefits of a “digital-first” engagement approach Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

The hidden influence of collective trauma Permacrisis has been named the 'word of the year for 2022' by Collins Dictionary. Are your surprised? It's been a time of crisis after crisis, each one piling in after the last. Floods. Mass shootings. Earthquakes. Political upheavals. Pandemics. Cost of living pressures. These events show up in our lives and create pain - so-called 'collective trauma'. If we're lucky, the pain is short-lived and we move on. But often the trauma lives on in us. Unprocessed and unresolved. It continues to influence us as individuals and as a society long after the news cycle has moved on. Introducing Louise Marra On today's podcast, we dive into the topic of collective trauma with guest Louise Marra. If you're skeptical about the relevance of trauma to your work, that's normal. But Louise encourages us to create space for healing our collective trauma no matter what work you're involved in. And she shares some simple tips for giving this a go in a way that won't make people run for the hills. If deeper and more meaningful work through harnessing the hidden power of healing our collective trauma lights your fire, buckle in for this kōrero with Louise. The opportunities for healing are all around us. Content warning - we talk about death in this episode This episode includes a discussion about death. We put an optimistic and empowering lens on its role in our work lives. But if that's not something you feel like jumping into today, this might not be the episode for you. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Holly Bennett Today we cast our thoughts back to Ep 17 with Holly Bennett, all about the unexpected path into political lobbying. Particularly, we hear Holly's answers to these questions; "What is lobbying?" "How do you get started in lobbying?" Advocacy in government is essential, and Holly shares some wonderful insights on why she chose to go against the grain and how you can too. In today's episode you'll learn The truth about lobbying… is it really the dark art and dirty politics it's made out to be? What it takes to be a professional lobbyist How a beginner can get started with lobbying to those in power and government Resources mentioned in this episode Holly's consulting firm Awhi. Engage - your place to get trained in government relations and lobbying www.engage.org.nz Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Aimee Gasparetto and Tammy Mudge The future work-scape is collaborative, sustainable, humanitarian, and local. Are you ready to participate in this new economy? For Every One, Every Day - an organisation in Halifax, Canada - the participatory cities approach feels like second nature. Nurturing community, particularly in respect of Halifax's prominent Indigenous people, is what Aimee and Tammy strive for in their work every day. "What if you could build a system of participation that could extend across cities and connect neighbourhoods?" This question fuels our discussion, which dives deeper into the practicality of participation driven communities. In Ep 55 we discussed the participatory cities approach and how it has the potential to positively impact communities. Today, in Ep 57, we cast our mind back to participatory cities, to hear about this approach in a practical, everyday sense and what it really looks like when introduced to Indigenous communities. Again, Hamish Lindop also joins us to ask some curious questions and share his thoughts. In today's episode you'll learn: What the participatory cities approach looks like in action. The practicality of participation driven communities. How to customise the participatory cities approach to individual community needs. How you can get started with this approach in your community. Resources mentioned in this episode: Ep 55 - How can you enable a participatory city? With Tessy Britton The Every One, Every Day organisation in Halifax. 2022 Every One, Every Day Progress Report. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Israel Hawkins Ngati Kahungunu and Ngati Tuwharetoa Welcome to our very first 'Throwback' episode! We've looked back at our stats to find some golden episodes that seemed to have gone under the radar. In this episode, you'll hear from Israel Hawkins reflecting on how to take a kaupapa-Māori approach to collective impact. If you're intrigued by collective impact, but also hesitant about copying and pasting a North American approach in this country, you will love this throwback. You can also hear the full conversation with Israel in episode 19 here. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Tessy Britton Climate change, political upheaval, inequality, global pandemics, the list goes on... How do we come together as people, as humanity, to find ways through this man-made maze? A participatory city is where citizens play a key role to create the change they wish to see - rather than suggesting ideas for someone else to potentially create that change. In today's episode - part one of two - we'll be talking with Tessy Britton, who is the key driver behind this participatory cities approach in the UK. Plus you'll hear from Hamish Lindop - a New Zealander inspired to adopt the Participatory Cities approach in his work with Auckland Council. In today's episode you'll learn: What a participatory cities approach looks like and how it has the potential to impact communities Why the Participatory Cities team describe the approach as "a platform" The positives outcomes from intentionally participating in your own communities and neighbourhoods and what that can look like How we can learn from this approach in the UK and transform it to work within our own backyard. Resources mentioned in this episode: More information on Tessy Britton's Participatory City Foundation in the UK An article about the work Hamish Lindop is doing to bring the Participatory Cities approach to Aotearoa Connect with Hamish Lindop and Tessy Britton over on their LinkedIn accounts Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Jon Tamihere-Kemeys In today's Bonus Episode 54, we continue our discussion with Jon Tamihere-Kemeys on all things transformation from an a te ao Māori point of view. Navigating transformation through the choppy waters of conflict, resolution and uncertainty, JT asks "if everyone is paddling, but the waves are pushing you left and right, who's holding the waka straight?" Leading navigation is no easy task which is why there is insurmountable value in external guidance when riding the waves of transformation within organisation. If you're interested in hearing more about the conversation we started with Jon Tamihere-Kemeys in Episode 51, this bonus episode is just what you need. In today's episode you'll learn: Navigating transformation through the lens of a te ao Māori The value of independent partners to guide in times of change and growth The importance of keeping mana atuatanga at the heart of all we do Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

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Introducing Anjum Rahman How can we create a country where everybody feels like they belong? It's a powerful question and not one that can be answered in a simple sentence, but it's the very question that's at the heart of today's episode. Anjum Rahman is the founder and project co-lead of the Inclusive Aotearoa Collective. She started up this amazing organisation in lieu of the Christchurch mosque attacks, and here we delve deeper into that origin story. We also talk about Inclusive Aotearoa's approach to enabling change, called the Constellations approach, and how you can host an effective conversation about something that's deeply personal. This conversation will leave you thinking differently about the question of how we can create a country where everybody belongs and how your own place in your own community can contribute to that. In today's episode you'll learn: How the subject of diversity and inclusion is not the sole responsibility of politicians, but that of everyone, across all communities. The challenge of reflecting upon what ‘belonging' means to your personally. That people are the experts in their own lives and that allowing them the space to be heard, regardless of what they have to say, is beneficial to the conversation. The realisation that we're all still learning and that it's okay to fail. If you can't be kind to yourself, how can you be kind to others? Resources mentioned in this episode Inclusive Aotearoa's website Anjum's LinkedIn profile Ep 30 - Engaging After Trauma - The Royal Commission into the Christchurch Mosques Attack, with Chris Mene Wayfinding Leadership book, by Dr. Chellie Spiller and John Panoho Flying Geese engagement organisation website Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Jon Tamihere-Kemeys Do the leaders of your organisation truly have faith that your planned strategies are going to succeed? We spend a lot of time and energy on strategy processes and strategic plans, on trying to figure out where we want to go and how we are going to get there. But we really need to believe in these plans in order to move forward. Today's guest, Jon Tamihere-Kemeys, is someone who can help to illuminate why so many people have so little faith in these processes being successful. Here at Business Lab, JT has been helping us to get our heads around some of these more challenging aspects of our upcoming projects and his insight and perspective has been invaluable to us. So, in this episode we focus on how to approach the concept of transformation. If you're in an organization that is maybe a little bit stuck or lacking direction, or things don't seem to be living up to their potential… don't start with ‘why'! Start with ‘who'. Who are we as a collective? Who are we as an organisation? From there, the kinds of breakthroughs that you're looking for are much more likely. In today's episode you'll learn: The importance of knowing your ‘why' and growing that beyond something that's just on paper. Why it's pivotal to tackle the question of ‘who' you are in order to show up in that fully - both as an organisation and as an individual. How strategy is about perception: taking a close look at distant things, and a distant look at close things. How, when you are transforming an organisation strategically, it's often hardest to gain perspective yourself if you are a sole representative. Resources mentioned in this episode Jon's website The book ‘Start With Why', by Simon Sinek Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

The 50th Episode! We are celebrating the 50th episode of the Beyond Consultation podcast by looking back at our most popular episodes, some hidden gems, and what we've learnt (which we also share with you!). From only 7 plays in our first month, the podcast has grown to over 600 plays in this past month alone. This is a testament to how many people are finding value in our content and how it's being shared with others. So thank you for spreading the word! To continue the celebration we are giving away a book from one of the amazing authors that we've interviewed on this show. Head to our LinkedIn page to see a full list of the books that are up for grabs and follow the instructions to put your name in the hat to win one of them. Here's to our first half-century! In today's episode you'll learn: Summaries of our top 3 most played episodes 'Excerpts form ‘hidden gem' episodes Top 5 tips on starting your own podcast, from our own experience Resources mentioned in this episode The First Time Facilitator podcast Ep 14 - Beyond Sticky Notes - Co-design - with Kelly Ann McKercher Ep 40 - The Southern Initiative and The Power of Community-Led, with Gael Surgenor Ep 9 - The Five Wai's (Not Why's) of Māori Engagement, with Atawhai Tibble Ep 19 - Collective Impact with An Aotearoa Flavour - with Israel Hawkins Ep 20 - For the Love of Community Engagement - with Becky Hirst Ep 30 - Engaging After Trauma - The Royal Commission into the Christchurch Mosques Attack, with Chris Mene Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

The Talk It Up Unconference Welcome to this special episode of Beyond Consultation - the wrap-up of the Talk It Up Unconference 2022! This episode is not one of our usual interviews, but a collection of conversations from the first ever Talk It Up Unconference that I attended recently in Hamilton. Think of today's episode as one of those degustation meals, where you get lots of small courses and they're all really good. Talk It Up was organized by four local government friends and co-conspirators who found that the best part of the conferences they often attend are the conversations and the connections made during the breaks... You'll hear stories like: How inspiration struck one council after an employee accidentally shared a phallic-shaped weather report on Facebook... The power of reframing 'no' into 'not yet' How we can harness the uniqueness of government where nobody is competing against each other. This is for everyone who attended, and for those who missed out. Enjoy! Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Simon Wright I don't remember much from my history class as a 10-year old, and my year seven class put me off history for a long time. It's only recently, as I've started to learn more about Māori that I've come to appreciate that history is story. And history is context. And context and stories are everything when you're trying to work with a community to enable change. In today's little bonus episode (or Episode 41B) we're going back to my conversation with Simon Wright on the history of democracy. For better or worse, we seem to take our democracy for granted. The idea of representative democracy that we, the people, vote others in to make laws for us to govern us. So Simon take us back in time to the roots of our democracy - to Rome, to Greece - and unpacks the implications for us today. In today's episode you'll learn: Are we questioning and discussing our current democratic system enough? How the power of democracy should be demonstrated in the decisions that are being made - not just the elections that are held. Resources mentioned in this episode Simon's LinkedIn profile The Reframe Programme by Business Lab Ep 41 - Mass digital participation, with Simon Wright The ‘Talking Politics' podcastSign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Rachel Reese Mayor of Nelson Rachel Reese is a bit of an enigma. She's been labelled a National Party candidate, which she's never been. Recently a Nelson resident declared she was in the pocket of the Labour party. And we've even seen her labelled a greenie for her work on climate change and public transport! But Rachel's always had an emphasis on partnerships and she's always embraced going beyond just ‘yes' or ‘no' discussions about important issues. In this episode, we explore her journey into becoming a mayor and her involvement in local and national issues, like the controversial Three Waters working group. Rachel tells us about what she calls ‘The Office of Good Ideas', which moves local government to more of an enabling role and creates more permission and space for failure. For any of you who are involved in politics, I'm sure you will nod your head along to some of the challenges that Rachel shares. And if you're not involved in politics, it's so valuable to understand what the reality is like for those people that you might be reporting to. In today's episode you'll learn: The value of knowing the why in your strategy work, so you can adapt in line with that How local government can create space for communities to take the lead The importance of listening in politics, even when you don't like the message. Resources mentioned in this episode Rachel's LinkedIn profile The Reframe Programme by Business Lab Ep 40 - The Southern Initiative and The Power of Community-Led, with Gael Surgenor Ep 47 - Using Your Power For Good, with Tracey Bridges Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Tracey Bridges Have you ever had this great idea that you were excited to share with your manager, CEO or team leader… and they just don't get it? They're not onboard. They're not excited. And the idea disappears. In today's episode, we'll unpack some of what might be going on in those sorts of situations. We're talking power and influence with Tracey Bridges, Chair of the Wellington Regional Economic Development Agency and co-founder of The Good Registry. Tracey's message for you is that you are powerful, and that you probably have more power than you understand or give yourself credit for. We talk about using your power for good, and how our culture can perpetuate the myth that you can only obtain influence or power by removing it from others. Tracey challenges these myths by introducing the idea of an influence exchange - that you only become influential, truly influential by giving influence to others. In today's episode you'll learn: How the ide of singular purpose can be unhelpful and how honest reflection can often unlock the natural next steps. The idea of power and thinking about how we can deploy our energies for good. That being influential is not about having a certain style of doing things, but rather being intentional about the difference we want to make. Resources mentioned in this episode Tracey's LinkedIn profile The Reframe Programme by Business Lab The Good Registry website Ep 40 - The Southern Initiative and The Power of Community-Led, with Gael Surgenor Ep 34 - Facilitating Breakthrough, with Adam Kahane Ep 27 - Where to next for Community-Led Development? - with Megan Courtney Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

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Introducing Jordan Green and Dr Jess Berentson-Shaw Are the words we are using to describe our work in systems change putting people off of doing just that? Could it be that phrases like ‘collective impact' are being perceived as vague and passive? Our two guests today are from The Workshop, a research organization here in Aotearoa New Zealand that helps people to explain and understand complex issues. They've recently published a report called ‘Mapping the Landscape', and it's one I go back to all the time. It gives us an idea of how to talk about systems change in a way that is understood in Aotearoa New Zealand. The two authors of that report, Jordan Green and Dr. Jess Berenson Shaw, help us to dive into some really practical suggestions about how you can change your language to encourage the kind of system change that you're looking for. If you're looking to give your work a refresh, this episode is for you. In today's episode you'll learn: How the potential for systems change already sits within the community itself. The importance of creating a shared language so that everyone can understand the importance of thinking in systems rather than individual choices. How it's not so much about relearning, but exercising systems that already exist but have been buried. Resources mentioned in this episode The Workshop website A list of publications by The Workshop Ep 40 - The Southern Initiative and The Power of Community-Led, with Gael Surgenor The Reframe Programme by Business Lab Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Alex Bonham Should we be separating work and play when connecting with our communities? Our guest today, Alex Bonham, challenges the idea that local government can't be fun. Originally trained in theater and comedy, Alex now serves on her local board and has done her PhD in how we can create more opportunities for play in a city - the topic of her highly interesting book! She's also put on a sold-out play called An Extraordinary Meeting, in which she used live theater to help a community understand the different trade-offs that might be involved in a decision. If you've been feeling a bit stumped and stuck in your engagement, this episode is for you. It will challenge you to explore how you can take aspects of your own personal life, your own strengths and skills that you might not think are relevant to your work, and use those to strengthen the conversations that you're wanting to create. In today's episode you'll learn: Addressing the myth that local government isn't fun. If less people engage in local politics, there will be fewer channels for people to be able to create the city that they want The ineffectiveness of consulting communities in higher level, intangible language. How we can bring in more creative ways to work with our communities. Resources mentioned in this episode Alex's LinkedIn profile Alex's book, Play and the City Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Liz Skelton What's your default reaction to conflict? I've been having lots of conversations this year with people who are trying to shift how their organization works with the people they serve and the ‘emotional rollercoaster' is often mentioned. People who are in the dream jobs are feeling disillusioned and constrained by the conditions around them. If that sounds like you, then this episode is going to be hugely helpful. The conversation today is with Liz Skelton who has a wealth of experience, helping different groups of people across all sorts of backgrounds to make social and cultural change together. She is the co-founder, director and now the chair of Collaboration for Impact in Australia, which tries to help communities work on the root causes of problems rather than the symptoms. In this episode Liz helps us to reframe the challenge of working within an organization that you feel is constraining you. She encourages us to shift our dialogue from ‘my organization is constraining me' to ‘shifting beliefs and perspectives IS the work'… In today's episode you'll learn: That building the muscles to sit with constant discomfort, will enable our systems to be uncomfortable enough to change. How we need to be optimistic about the future, but also ruthlessly real about what it will take to get there. The benefit of preparing for the point of resistance rather than viewing it as a failure when you reach it. Resources mentioned in this episode Paul's LinkedIn profile here, and his email: paul@businesslab.co.nz Liz Skelton's LinkedIn profile Collaboration for Impact website Download page for the Lost Conversations book Ep 33 - Do We Need Deep Democracy? with Max Rashbrooke Ep 36 - What If You Built A Movement? with Liz Weaver Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Craig Churchill Craig's journey into public sector leadership was not typical. He didn't come up through the community sector or the public sector. In fact, he was a transport and logistics expert helping to get goods around the country as fast as possible! Now he's a regional commissioner for the Ministry of Social Development and a Public Service Commissioner under the Public Service Act. Because of Craig's private sector background, I was expecting him to bring a strong private sector and logistics lens to his new public sector role. What a surprise to find that his focus is on the interconnected nature of the public service and how the Ministry of Social Development can be an enabler for others within that system. In today's episode you'll learn: The value of having a strong operational leader to free up other people to explore the bigger systemic picture. How to grow your partnership aspirations through small everyday actions that add up over time The reality of the new Public Service Commissioner role (which Craig calls a “pub with no beer”) How government can play an enabling role for iwi Māori to serve their whānau needs. Resources mentioned in this episode Craig's LinkedIn profile Summary of The Public Sector Act 2020 changes Stuff news story: Te Tauihu iwi launch collaborative trust for Covid recovery Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Simon Wright When we make it easy for our communities to talk to us through quick surveys and online forms, are we losing the opportunity for important and hard conversations? Today's guest, Simon Wright, unpacks the limitations of our consultation mindset. The limitations of technical or expert-driven conversations that miss the political and moral implications when engaging with communities. There is power in open dialogue and discussion, but often organisations are talking to people through closed dialogues. It's only through those hard conversations, those brave dialogues, that we can uncover insights that otherwise we might not have expected. Simon has a wealth of stories and experiences that he can draw on as a member on the expert advisory panel for the New Zealand Open Government Partnership, as a partner at Public Engagement Projects, and as a teacher on digital engagement at Victoria University. This episode will be particularly valuable for anybody working in a policy role who is trying to understand how to fit community participation into the policy process. In today's episode you'll learn: Why the ‘hub-and-spoke' model of consultation causes disconnect and why you should move away from it That the public is tired of consultation and hungry for more authentic ways of talking and working with institutions Why we should stop trying to make it easy and fast for the public to engage with institutions How digital tools can help us to have open dialogues with more people to uncover new ideas and ways of thinking. How to step up your digital engagement to allow people to build on each other's ideas instead of having a two-way conversation with only your organisation. Resources mentioned in this episode Leave us a voice message Simon's LinkedIn profile New Zealand Open Government Partnership Simon's firm, Public Engagement Projects The POL.IS website Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Gael Surgenor How do we continue to take an experimental approach while working on opportunities that are looking 30 years into the future? What if we find ourselves in an existing program that has stalled? Resetting existing work has been a bit of a theme for Gael Surgenor throughout her career. She loves to look for those situations where it's time for a reset, because when things are a bit murky, nobody quite knows what to do. Gael has found that those are ideal conditions for innovation. The Southern Initiative has been Gael's playground over the last seven years, and in this episode she delves into the mindsets that have helped her to shape and approach this long-term project: treating her work as a short term gig so she feels free to experiment and continuing to think of her work in the public sector as working for community rather than working for government. And all this while thinking, ‘How can I make a bigger difference?' . If you are feeling a bit disheartened by your current projects, if you feel they've gone a bit stale, this episode is for you. In today's episode you'll learn: That leaders need to be space makers, and not take up space instead - an attitude we should be fostering more. The differences between the planning approach and the living systems approach. How social entrepreneurial skills can help to move a project forward and why it's important to seek those skills out. That using what you already have and leveraging it in a new way can be more effective than starting new. Resources mentioned in this episode Leave us a voice message Gael's LinkedIn profile The Southern Initiative website Ep 39 - The Waikato Wellbeing Project with Harvey Brookes Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Harvey Brookes Harvey is the lead agitator and coordinator working behind the scenes on the Waikato Wellbeing Project - a collective effort to improve wellbeing in one region of Aotearoa New Zealand. Setting up a project of this type is a learning exercise in and of itself. Harvey and his team have been generous in sharing their lessons learned along the way - openly and honestly. One of the many things I enjoyed about this conversation is how Harvey epitomises the journey that a lot of facilitators seem to go on. Often we begin this work believing we need to have all the answers figured out. We go searching for the “right solution” or the “evidence-based approach” or the “clear plan”. But over time we learn to instead approach this work with curiosity and a desire to connect with people, to experiment and to learn. You can read all the articles, you can listen to all the podcasts, you can use all the right language… but sometimes the conditions aren't right in your own life to be able to apply the theory or you haven't yet had the kind of experience that allows you to put your insight into practice. If you're in a situation where you are wanting to work more collaboratively, more systemically, more relationally, then you're going to love hearing from Harvey as we go behind the scenes of setting up the Waikato Wellbeing Project. In today's episode you'll learn: How structure, relationships, permission and skills are all needed for people to work together effectively. Why listening to the voices and expertise of people with lived experience is crucial. That failure is okay and that it's part of the process to solutions emerging. That facilitation is a supportive role and we don't need to know all the answers. Resources mentioned in this episode Leave us a voice message Contact us to learn more about our Virtually Productive workshops Harvey's LinkedIn profile The Waikato Wellbeing Project website Ep 40 - The Southern Initiative and The Power of Community-Led, with Gael Surgenor Ep 36 - What If You Built A Movement? with Liz Weaver Ep 34 - Facilitating Breakthrough, with Adam Kahane Ep 31 - When Your Cross-Sector Collaboration Needs A Refresh, with Henry Pavey Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Amy Hubbard How do you convince somebody from finance, legal or engineering that they need to involve the community at the start of that big new project? Amy Hubbard from Capire Consulting Group has lived and breathed community engagement since she left university. As a result, she has a wealth of stories that are just sitting there, ready to pull out for the right person at the right moment to communicate the value of community engagement. Today's show really is a lot about planning for success with community engagement. Amy shares a percentage of time that she believes is a smart amount of time to spend on getting ready for engagement. The number might surprise you. Get your pen and paper ready for this helpful episode, filled with tips and tools to help you better prepare for your next engagement project. In today's episode you'll learn: What it looks like to set up an engagement project for success. Why ‘engagement' means different things to different people and how you can define this more clearly. A look at the Capire Engagement Triangle tool and how to use it. What marrying social impact and engagement looks like in practice. Resources mentioned in this episode Join us for the Talk It Up unconference in February 2022 in Kirikiriroa Hamilton Leave us a voice message Amy's LinkedIn profile The Capire Consulting Group website The Engagement Triangle tool download page (scroll down to bottom of page 1) The IAP2 website Episode 10 - Online Community Engagement - with Bang the Table co-founder Matthew Crozier Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Andrew O'Keeffe It was only 250 years ago that most humans changed their habitat from hunting and working together in villages, to working in offices and factories. But those human instincts from the Savannah, from the bush, from our villages still exist within us. Andrew O'Keeffe has taken the science of human instincts and looked at how to apply them within organizations. He strives to understand those instincts and how we can harness them in how we work together. In speaking with Andrew, my overall question was ‘how might we use the science of human instincts to improve how organizations work with communities?' and the fascinating answer is that human instincts tells us to embrace things that are sometimes looked down on in the workplace. We tackle things like office gossip and chit-chat, and Andrew debunks the myth that humans are averse to change. He talks about how you can communicate, how you can talk, how you can listen to really embrace what we are hardwired to be thinking about and working through within the back of our brains. We only scratched the surface, but if you do any work with communities, this will be a really valuable episode for you. In today's episode you'll learn: How to encourage the change you're looking for by tapping into what we know about human instincts. How to create an organisational culture based on human instincts and how to engage externally based on them Examples of human instincts and how they play out in the workplace. Tackling the myth that people resist change and diving into what instincts are really at play. Resources mentioned in this episode Join us for the Talk It Up unconference in February 2022 in Kirikiriroa Hamilton Leave us a voice message The Hardwired Humans website List of books written by Andrew Sign up for Andrew's newsletter Ep 9 - The Five Wai's (Not Why's) of Māori Engagement, with Atawhai Tibble Ep 25 - Local Decision Making, with Judene Edgar Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Liz Weaver In late 2019, we spoke to a dozen local leaders about the various collaborative groups they were involved in. They all agreed that the groups were operating reasonably well. At the same time, we spoke to lower-level people in those same organisations. And they disagreed. They described the groups' frustrating bureaucracy, their lack of impact, and the lack of community involvement. The reason for the discussions was we hoped to invite Liz Weaver to our city to run a workshop on collaborative governance. COVID-19 soon interfered with that plan, but now Liz is able to share her insights as a podcast guest instead. As one of the CEO's of the Tamarack Institute in Canada, Liz shares her personal story of the first collaborative group she was involved in and how that has influenced Tamarack's work. Tamarack plays a lead role in guiding a nationwide movement in poverty reduction, youth wellbeing, and climate transitions. If you've been having one of those demoralising days or weeks where you feel like you are doing this all alone, then this conversation is going to leave you feeling really uplifted. In today's episode you'll learn: Where to even begin when you want to collaborate on a complex problem How to pay attention to your context and who is not around the table right now The value of starting with a question, rather than a problem, when inviting people to collaborate The importance of telling our stories in order to grow a movement. Resources mentioned in this episode Join us for the Talk It Up unconference in February 2022 in Kirikiriroa Hamilton Liz Weaver's LinkedIn profile The Tamarack Institute website Liz's email: liz@tamarackcommunity.ca Podcast Episode 19 - Collective Impact with An Aotearoa Flavour - with Israel Hawkins Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Michelle Feenan What does it take to build an engaging organisation? An organisation that is driven by the needs of the people that you serve. Where everybody is working in a coordinated way to listen, respect, understand, and partner up with your community. Today's guest is Michelle Feenan, who has written the course on exactly that. She's full of stories and powerful questions that will help you to think through how you can help build an organisation where engagement is the everyday normal. How can we build the case for engagement? How can we encourage senior leadership to buy in and become an organisation that is permanently looking outwards? Get your pen and paper ready and enjoy this powerful episode! In today's episode you'll learn: How being present and understanding the parties around us can help to ‘manage the future'. That we as facilitators don't need to own the conflict, but that we need to know how to mediate in that space The importance of having insight into our own world views and biases and how it might affect the space. Why we need to uphold our organisation's values and put ourselves in our public's shoes. Resources mentioned in this episode Join us for the Talk It Up unconference in February 2022 in Kirikiriroa Hamilton Michelle Feenan's LinkedIn profile Engagement Plus website IAP2 Training website Podcast Episode 30 - Engaging After Trauma - The Royal Commission into the Christchurch Mosques Attack, with Chris Mene Podcast Episode 29 and bonus summary episode - Human Learning Systems for Aotearoa New Zealand, with Dr. Toby Lowe Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Adam Kahane Our guest today has written five books on facilitation and has worked in environments where the stakes were very high - like post-apartheid South Africa or in Columbia after 52 years of civil war. Adam has been on my wishlist to interview ever since I read his first book soon after leaving university. Although you may not be working in the same kind of high-stakes environments as Adam, we can all learn a lot from his thoughtful approach to facilitating change. Adam believes that facilitation is about everything that you do to help people to work together to affect change. It's not just about flip charts, sticky notes and whiteboards. In this episode, we unpack his latest book, Facilitating Breakthrough, where Adam gives us a new framework for thinking about how to enable change. If you involved in any sort of change work, then this episode is for you. In today's episode you'll learn: The difference between horizontal and vertical facilitation and how to cycle between them. How the core of facilitation is removing obstacles to greater contribution; to love, power and justice. That the world needs more and better collaboration and therefore more and better facilitation. Resources mentioned in this episode Join us for the Talk It Up unconference in February 2022 in Kirikiriroa Hamilton Adam Kahane's LinkedIn profile List of Adam's book and his bio Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Max Rashbrooke Here in Aotearoa New Zealand we'd like to think that we live in a classless society. That anyone can “make it” and that opportunities are equal. But today's guest, author Max Rashbrooke, has made a career out of unpacking uncomfortable myths such as this. He shows that there are indeed different classes in Aotearoa New Zealand, and that this affects how citizens engage with government. During our discussion, Max makes the case for a deeper form of democracy and calls for Aotearoa New Zealand to join the wave of deliberative democracy that is spreading across the globe. How exciting is that? If you are ready to have your views of our society challenged a bit, this eye-opening episode is for you. In today's episode you'll learn: What are “the Remuera Right” and “the Kilbirnie Left” The uncomfortable truth about social classes in Aotearoa New Zealand and what that means for your work How to navigate historical distrust from communities How the long-term benefits of deliberative democracy far outweigh the (sense of) short-term loss of control for governments. Resources mentioned in this episode Join us for the Talk It Up unconference in February 2022 in Kirikiriroa Hamilton Max Rashbrooke's LinkedIn profile Max Rashbrooke's website Browse and purchase Max's books, especially his latest book Too Much Money Watch Max's hugely popular TEDx talk: Three Ways to Upgrade Democracy for the 21st Century Listen to episode 28 where we hear a case study of Deliberative democracy for the future of Auckland's water, with Dr Tatjana Buklijas and Dr Jenny Wigley. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Kataraina Davis Recently, I went back and looked at our podcast stats to see what episodes are most popular. Between the top two episodes, there's a pretty clear theme - you are hungry to learn more about Māori ways of being and engaging. Our guest, Kataraina Davis, comes highly recommended. She is involved with a programme called Te Kaa that helps people to understand Māori values, worldviews and practices. There can be a lot of anxiety and guilt that comes up for non-Māori when thinking about how to work effectively with Māori. If this is true for you, it might be a signal that there's some more learning for you to do. This episode is the perfect place to start. In today's episode you'll learn: How do Māori and European based ways of designing, engaging and innovating differ? If you're working in a non-Māori organization, what is your personal role? How important it is to role model relationship-building at all times What partnership between Māori and non-Māori organisations can look like How do we come to work being fully ourselves and whose responsibility is it to make this happen? Resources mentioned in this episode Kataraina Davis' LinkedIn profile The Te Kaa website Episode 3 - How to Disrupt Systems for Wellbeing, with Zaynel Sushil Episode 9 - The Five Wai's (Not Why's) of Māori Engagement, with Atawhai Tibble Episode 22 - Real talk about Māori-Crown partnerships, with Kara Nepe-Apatu Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Henry Pavey In theory, collaborative partnerships should move mountains. You share information. Coordinate your activities. Unlock new resources. Share power. You see the whole system and respond - together. But often these partnerships start with a roar… only to peter out as enthusiasm drops and true collaboration falls through the cracks. Today's guest, Henry Pavey, has made a career out of turning around average partnership groups into ones that have a real impact. During our conversation, I realised that the challenges Henry faces in the UK mirror the challenges with these kinds of partnerships here in New Zealand. Fortunately, Henry has got excellent suggestions for turning around an average partnership. These are based on decades of experiences working inside partnerships and most recently as a strategic partnerships consultant. My hope for today's episode is that it will inspire you to be the brave person that stands up in your partnership group and says, ‘I think we need a refresh'. In today's episode you'll learn: What commonly holds back partnerships from achieving their potential The benefits of thinking of your partnership like an organisation Why your partnership probably needs an “engine room” How you can turn around a partnership that is just muddling through - with a combination of qualitative and quantitative feedback sought anonymously before a meeting The value of continually referring back to your vision and ground rules at the top of every meeting. Resources mentioned in this episode Henry Pavey's LinkedIn profile The Collaborative Impact website Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

15 March 2019 was a dark day in Aotearoa New Zealand, with a terrorist attack on mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. Today's show is with Chris Mene, a community engagement practitioner with deep experience engaging communities following trauma. He played a big role for over 10 years in Christchurch following the earthquakes. His police background has been invaluable in that battleground context. We talk through the story of Chris's involvement in the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the terrorist attack on Christchurch masjidain. Chris helped to establish and facilitate the Muslim Community Reference Group and shares his lessons from that process. As facilitators we can learn a lot from somebody like Chris who has engaged in a context that is heavy with grief. Everybody brings some level of trauma with them into every group situation. When you can be aware of that reality, and careful about how you show up as a facilitator, you can create space for understanding and healing. In today's episode you'll learn: What facilitators can do to prepare themselves for work in trauma settings. The importance of understanding the current context (and how you can do this). How understanding ourselves is crucial for being effective in conversations about trauma. Why emotional limits are important (and how to establish them). Resources mentioned in this episode Chris Mene's LinkedIn profile IAP2 Training Courses Anne Pattillo's LinkedIn profile The Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Christchurch Terrorist Attacks Muslim Community Reference Group: Lessons for the future - Report --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Dr. Toby Lowe FULL VERSION AVAILABLE HERE Our latest episode, number 29, is with Dr. Toby Lowe on Human Learning Systems - and the show is almost an hour long! So if you're a little bit strapped for time, then we have cut up this shorter episode for you. What I wanted to do with Toby was explore what it might mean to embrace human learning systems here in Aotearoa New Zealand. So if you've got a commute or a moment to yourself and you just want to get to the core of what Toby was talking about, then this summary is for you. In today's episode you'll learn: How do we translate Human Learning Systems into language that makes sense in New Zealand - or do we build our own? Why it's important to be ‘human to each other' in a public service setting. The importance of experimenting to create effective local solutions. Thoughts on how we can invest our time and energy centrally vs. locally. Resources mentioned in this episode Dr. Toby Lowes' LinkedIn profile https://realworld.report/ - the latest book on Human Learning Systems - free to access, with 400+ pages of stories and insights https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/assets/documents/hls-real-world-summary.pdf - a summary version of the latest book, at only 60 pages. https://www.humanlearning.systems/ - the central place for learning more about Human Learning Systems and joining the movement https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/ - The think-tank Toby works for which is reimagining government. https://www.psa.org.nz/assets/Uploads/ProgressiveThinking-Toby-Brown-Adrian-Lowe-Thea-Snow.pdf- article on how to embrace HLS in a post-COVID world https://inspiringcommunities.org.nz/shaping-the-future/ - a collection of resources related to various integrated systems shifts --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Dr. Toby Lowe BONUS SUMMARY VERSION AVAILABLE HERE Today's guest is Dr. Toby Lowe, who is going to give you a choice about what kind of public service world you want to believe in? He is the lead voice behind what is fast becoming a global movement called The Human Learning Systems Movement. And it's all about making a different choice when working in public service. It's about recognising the full person in front of you. It is based on learning, rather than control. Looking at the underlying causes behind the symptoms that you might be seeing, and really trying to get an understanding of the messiness of what's going on, rather than trying to make things linear. What I wanted to do with Toby was explore what it might mean to embrace human learning systems here in Aotearoa New Zealand. In today's episode you'll learn: How do we translate Human Learning Systems into language that makes sense in New Zealand - or do we build our own? Why it's important to be ‘human to each other' in a public service setting. The importance of experimenting to create effective local solutions. Thoughts on how we can invest our time and energy centrally vs. locally. Resources mentioned in this episode Dr. Toby Lowes' LinkedIn profile https://realworld.report/ - the latest book on Human Learning Systems - free to access, with 400+ pages of stories and insights https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/assets/documents/hls-real-world-summary.pdf - a summary version of the latest book, at only 60 pages. https://www.humanlearning.systems/ - the central place for learning more about Human Learning Systems and joining the movement https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/ - The think-tank Toby works for which is reimagining government. https://www.psa.org.nz/assets/Uploads/ProgressiveThinking-Toby-Brown-Adrian-Lowe-Thea-Snow.pdf- article on how to embrace HLS in a post-COVID world https://inspiringcommunities.org.nz/shaping-the-future/ - a collection of resources related to various integrated systems shifts --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Dr Tatjana Buklijas and Dr Jenny Wigley Deliberative democracy is a topic that has come up more than once on the Beyond Consultation podcast. To look at how deliberative democracy might be applied here in New Zealand, we have not one, but two people here to share their experience working on the Complex Conversations Project that is funded by the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment. Dr. Tatjana Buklijas works at the university of Auckland, and Dr. Jenny Wigley works at Watercare. They recently teamed up to research the impact of deliberative democracy through a real-life project with Watercare looking at the future of Auckland's water supply. But what is deliberative democracy? Tatjana explains the three aspects: It involves bringing a diverse group of citizens together (and the diversity of the group is hugely important) You then provide information to that group so they can understand the complexity of a particular issue or situation The group then discusses the issue to see what consensus might (or might not) emerge. Deliberative democracy has a rich overseas tradition. It's allowed countries to make progress on some sticky issues. How might we build on this in Aotearoa New Zealand while also recognising our own rich history of kōrero in te ao Māori? In today's episode you'll learn: The difference between representative democracy, participatory democracy and deliberative democracy, and why it matters. What we can learn from both deliberative democracy and Tikanga Māori. Steps you might take to apply deliberative democracy in your work. How the Complex Conversations Project is working to build a movement of deliberative democracy in Aotearoa New Zealand. Resources mentioned in this episode Beyond Consultation Podcast Episode 13 with Helen Grant where Helen mentioned Auckland Council's interest in deliberative democracy The Complex Conversations Project Dr. Tatjana Buklijas' LinkedIn profile Dr. Jenny Wigley's LinkedIn profile --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Megan Courtney I first met Megan when I moved to Nelson five or six years ago. We caught up for a cup of coffee and I was a little bit in awe of some of the stuff she was talking about. She's one of the core members of Inspiring Communities and has been with the organisation since it started 15 years ago. In this episode we talk about the changes she's seen in community-led development during this time. We also explore Inspiring Communities' journey as an organization that's made up of European descended New Zealanders who are authentically asking themselves, ‘How can we be of Aotearoa New Zealand?' This episode is packed with all sorts of mind-altering gold nuggets. If you're looking for insight into how to navigate the messiness of systems change or involved in community-led development, you are going to love this conversation. In today's episode you'll learn: The nature of cycles, and how we shouldn't get too stuck on the exciting stuff in the beginning when the real work comes with pushing through. How structural response without changing mindsets and practices can only take us so far. Why it's important to think of different ways of enabling participation in what you're doing. How you might authentically grow and nurture a Tangata Tiriti organisation. Resources mentioned in this episode Inspiring Communities' website. Te Kai a te Rangatira - a collection of videos sharing tikanga Māori. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Today's topic was inspired by two things that happened on the morning of recording this episode. First, our original guest opened up about not being up to the recording session. Life was just too much at that moment. Second, I was reading this fantastic report called Wellbeing Inspires Well-doing. The report looks at how changemakers' inner wellbeing influences their work. These two small things made me realise how important it is to look after your own wellbeing, especially if you are hoping to serve others. In short, if the oxygen mask pops down, make sure you put your own one on before you start helping other people. It can be really easy to put other people's needs ahead of our own. Even more so now that we find ourselves in lockdown, possibly alongside family and loved ones. So, if that sounds like something you can relate to, today's episode is for you. In today's episode you'll learn: Why it's important to put ‘protection barriers' in place for our own wellbeing Six practices that makes navigating complexity easier How pausing and doing something for yourself can help you better serve others Resources mentioned in this episode Download a Wellbeing Plan template If you need a wellbeing coach, we recommend https://www.tuiwilliams.com/ or https://www.intentionalgenerations.com/ Wellbeing Inspires Welldoing report Tips on killing stress by Alicia McKay Personal Practices for Navigating Complexity - article by Business Lab --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

I first met today's guest when we were fellow actors in our local drama production, but she is much more than a former theater colleague. Deputy Mayor of Nelson City Council, Judene Edgar, really epitomizes what it means to be committed, to going beyond consultation. Her CV is really lengthy (which we discuss), but safe to say that Judene has perspective from so many different angles! In this episode we look ahead to the future of local governments because Judene is in the thick of some of the reforms that are coming down the pipeline being potentially taken from councils and transferred to regional organizations . Within this context, how can you enable local power and local decision making when services are being centralized to improve efficiency through scale? How do you do engagement and consultation? How do you choose the right media? How do you set expectations realistically? We talk about how to keep yourself healthy and well, when you're driven by service and a need to say yes. In today's episode you'll learn: The importance of scoping the actual problem, instead of finding solutions for the symptoms. Why it's important to forge real interpersonal relationships with your community - get out there! How to keep yourself healthy and well when you're driven by service. Why the right media and realistic expectations go a long way to building trust and understanding in your community. Resources mentioned in this episode Judene's LinkedIn profile. Information on the Three Waters Reform Programme. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Leanne Hughes interviews our host Paul McGregor A year into hosting this podcast, I realise that the process has taught me so much about being a better facilitator. My journey to becoming a facilitator was taken along the scenic route and looking back I can see how much I've grown. If you are feeling tired or drained within your role at the moment, today's episode is going to provide you with a bit of inspiration, as well as some new ideas, tools and maybe even some perspective. This time, we are flipping the script and I'm the one getting interviewed by the lovely Leanne Hughes . I open up about some of the challenges I've faced working in government, being a facilitator, and a consultant, and how it all brought me to where I am today. In today's episode you'll learn: Why facilitation doesn't mean solving all the problems for your group. We learn from our past facilitation failures and explore how we've grown from them. Why it's important to realise that the value we deliver is separate from our self-worth. How trusting your curiosity and intuition can be great tools for facilitation in the moment. Resources mentioned in this episode Paul McGregor's LinkedIn profile. The Business Lab website Leanne Hughes LinkedIn profile. The Flip the Chart Facebook page. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Breanna McQuade Bright, curious and always evolving, Bre is one of our most prized assets here at Business Lab. We can often get so bogged down with the pressures of everyday work that we can forget to ask the bigger questions. But Bre's always asking them naturally - and that has a lot of power. She's constantly digging deeper. Even in her job interview, she asked us, ‘What's your future vision for the business?'. She embodies the power of curiosity. Bre doesn't shy away from emotion and her approach to ‘being human' within the workplace. Bre wears many hats on top of being our Operations Manager. One of those hats is with The Social Experiment, and that's the context we dive into in today's episode. Connect with Bre via LinkedIn. In today's episode you'll learn: Why a little mystery can go a long way when inviting people to engage with you The importance of defining the ‘container' for codesign or social innovation Why systems thinking and codesign can be so challenging for people to grapple with (and how to help people through that) The value of being open about emotions and creating space for them at work (especially when things are super busy). Resources mentioned in this episode The Social Experiment --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message