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In this thought-provoking episode, join host Lesley Logan as she delves into deep conversations with Erin Baute, a seasoned behaviorist with a wealth of experience in behavior change. Erin's profound understanding of the Enneagram framework brings forth enlightening perspectives and fosters transformative discussions, offering listeners a rare and illuminating exploration into the depths of personality and personal growth.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The importance of understanding behavior as a learned skill.Why Enneagram requires a deeper level of self-reflection.The pitfalls of overusing coping and personality strategiesThe Importance of self-awareness in building a life that works for you.How to nurture habit change without overload. Episode References/Links:Follow Erin on IGWatch Erin on YouTubeCheck out the Living The Enneagram WebsiteDr. Bruce Perry's the Neurosequential Model NetworkGuest Bio:Erin Baute is an experienced business coach and behavioral strategist, specializing in helping entrepreneurs, business owners, managers, and influential individuals navigate personality burnout caused by overused coping strategies and ignored intuition. With over 20 years of expertise in behavior change and professional development for individuals and teams, Erin holds a bachelor's degree in Human Development, a Master of Public Health, and is currently completing a PhD in Organizational Psychology. Her research focuses on leveraging personality as a framework for personal and professional development.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Get your 15% discount for Toe Sox – use coupon code LESLEY15Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript: Erin Braute: [00:00:00] And that is the difference between behavior and identity, right? Mm-hmm. Like behavior in so much of behavior change says like, we're gonna go hike the Grand Canyon and, and we sort of. Look at the Grand Canyon and the vastness, and we get ready to hike it, but we sort of forget that in order to get to the other side, I have to look down and like take the first few steps.And that's exactly what you're helping people do. It's like, just get in and logged in and hit play. Don't worry about being a Pilates pro in 30 days. Like just get in the system. Um, but so many people look at, you know, the Pilates Pro and are like, oh, I'll never be there, so I just won't start in the first place.Lesley Logan: Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My [00:01:00] friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.All right Be It Babe. So I'm really excited about today's guest. Okay. First of all, I know I'm excited always, but really this is really fun because, first of all, this is a divine appointment that goes way back into a day that I was listening to a podcast I don't normally listen to when it drops, I usually listen to it like over like a long drive, and I heard this woman and I was like, oh, I love this person. I have to have it on. Remember Melissa Doman? She was on while back and I loved her. And then, I emailed a bunch of guests and I said, Hey, I love your recommendations because we'd loved your episode.I'd love to [00:02:00] hear who you think should be on the podcast. Melissa was the first person to respond, and she responded with today's guest, Erin Baute. And when I saw what Erin Baute does, I was like totally all for myself very intrigued. Okay? Because I was like, I have heard about this personality quiz test.I might be calling it the wrong thing, but I've heard about this and I've never dove into it. Um, because I was just like, I don't wanna be overwhelmed with all these things, but I have been intrigued. Right? And so I was like, of course I'm gonna have her on. So it is the Enneagram the reason why we started this conversation.However, when you get into this episode, if you're like, I don't wanna learn about Enneagram, I don't care, I want you to listen to this episode because Erin is incredible. She has decades of behavioral science education, and then she discovered this, the Enneagram and she, it really flipped on its head what she does for living.And then we go into how [00:03:00] her firstborn child actually changed things even more for her. So this interview has a lot of turns to it. It is very enlightening. Ship it up one of my favorite authors that I've ever read that really explains who we are and what we do. So we go into a lot of things.I promise you this is gonna be an episode that helps you understand yourself a bit more. I think sometimes we, like, we, we just wonder is there something wrong with like, what's wrong with me? And there is not anything. But also she's gonna give you the keys to the kingdom of understanding why you do what you do in this episode.And so without further ado, well, you know, as of course we do a little ado, and then Erin Baute ​Lesley Logan: All right Be It babes, I'm super excited. I have an amazing guest actually, when I read about her, I was super intrigued by something that she does, cuz I actually have not dove into this topic, into this personality thing, believe it or not there. But [00:04:00] I'm just so excited. I'm gonna let her tell you what it is.Erin Baute thank you for being a guest here today. Can you tell the Be It listeners who you are and what you're rocking at?Erin Braute: Yeah. Thank you. I'm so glad to be here and chat with you today. I am Erin Baute. I'm a behaviorist by trade, so I've been studying, working in the field of behavior change for over two decades, and in that work I was introduced to the Enneagram.It's a personality model about 13 years ago, and it took what I understood about behavioral theory and sort of hit fast forward on it when we could go deep into the constructs of personality as a way to create lasting change. Right? A lot of the coping and habits that we've developed are birthed out of our personality framework in childhood, and they sort of get ingrained in the unconscious and subconscious minds.And so in order for us to sort of break [00:05:00] through some of the places, we get unst, we get stuck. We have to understand how it connects to our identity and our coping and the things that we do to keep us theoretically safe in the world. Right. Like we don't have the same threats as maybe we've had in the past.And so I find it really, really fascinating work. Everybody is really, really different. And so the Enneagram allows us to uncover the tools around change and systems and new habits that maybe don't work for everybody the same way. Right? And so I just really love this work of individualizing change. To the person and their unique identity. And so, yeah. Lesley Logan: Okay. So this is interesting because like obviously like I've done human design. Thank you Kareen. Shout out to her. That was a great gift. Done Strength Finders [00:06:00] 2.0. Super awesome. That's how my husband and I even got together cuz we're like, what are your top five?But what I'm gathering from you on the enneagram is it's more like how you handle change habits and like, It's a, it seems to be a little bit more nuanced in that way versus like, this is how you like string finders. Like this is what you really like thrive in as far as like leadership or showing up in the world.Human design kind of makes me realize, like, that's why I get so much shit done, but like how I get shit down is like the Enneagram thing. Erin Braute: Yeah. It, it really helps us uncover our motivations, right? So behavior is often a learned skill that we develop out of previous habits, previous coping, or ultimately, you know whatever the context or the environment is asking of us, right?That's why people can say like, I'm at different at work than I am at home. I'm different with [00:07:00] my friends than I am with my husband. It's because we don't take into context that we're really adaptable. Oriented learning beings. And so oftentimes, and, and I've been trained in the DISC assessment by Eric Briggs, the color profile, strength finders, you know, all of these tools that capture behavior in a context, but you change the context and you change the behaviors, right? We would see people who would go through major life changes, have a different DISC profile before a divorce and after a divorce, right? Yeah. And it was really hard to create sustainable change systems that work for folks when you're only looking at the behavior, the behaviors are really important, but they are last, and the Enneagram allowed me to get underneath the behavior and say, why did I even develop this need to do this thing in the first place?Lesley Logan: This is [00:08:00] insane. Okay, so it's, okay, so, so essentially it's kind of like, it's like. It's like the, you know it's behind the curtain as opposed to like what, like what's on stage. Erin Braute: Yeah. Yes. We are the Wizard of Oz right now. Lesley Logan: So for people who, I'm sure my listeners, you know, please, when you show this episode, tell me what your Enneagram number is, because I find like anyone who knows it, like they know it, right?They know it really well. I will be, I took this, I took the test before I could get on this call with you and it gave me like, It looks like I could be three numbers, so now I feel like I have to, as a recovering perfectionist, overachiever, I feel like I have to do it again. Erin Braute: Well, and that, here's another great thing, right? The tests are really inaccurate because they're trying to create a formulaic algorithmic experience around motivation. And motivation is rooted in things like coping, it's rooted in things like safety. It's rooted in things like [00:09:00] access and socioeconomic status and education and trauma and neuro divergence and, you know, oppression, and our personality is so much more complicated than our behaviors. And so these online tests are trying to take the same formula and they just don't work. The only test I recommend is called the RHETI . It's r h e t i. It's an acronym. And I can give you a link for it. It is the only test that has been empirically studied, and it is only about 46% accurate.And so our, yep. Our job as people is to fill in the rest and really push in. So the Enneagram, unlike StrengthFinders, where I can read a book and take a quiz and it gives me the results, requires a deep level of self reflection, which not everybody has access to or the time [00:10:00] for. And so it might work well.And that's where the enneagram is really strong in training situations. Lots of people are in their type in like a work training or with a professional or listening to a podcast or reading a book. Right? It's a deeper reflection because I wanna understand why. Let me give you an example, right? People learn the art of perfectionism and high achievement for multiple reasons, right?And so there's several different archetypes in the Enneagram. If people listening know it, the type one, the type three, they're all sort of high achieving perfectionist types. But we wanna understand why the type three archetype is the driver around high quality and high achievement. High achievement.Like, let's do all the things on the list and let's keep going, and has a really hard time somatically in my nervous system doing less because I'm geared to [00:11:00] doing all this stuff as the way to earn my love and my recognition. That's how maybe my parents saw me as a kid. I got good grades, I followed the rules.I was captain of the cheerleading team, and oh, mom and dad said, good job. Good job. Right? That's how I got seen...(Lesley: Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm definitely feeling that) the type one, the sort of, I don't like the word perfectionist. I like the word reformer, the person who never feels like anything's good enough, right?It's just never enough. And so we learn perfectionistic tendencies by learning that I'm, I've learned as a kid, I'm not enough, right? Maybe I had a critical parent or a critical caretaker growing up. And so I learned that I always have to be better and better and better just to get ahead of the criticism.Right? And that's how I'm protecting my worthiness. And so they look the same behaviorally. They would maybe get the same scores on a disc assessment or you know, something [00:12:00] Myers-Brigg. But underneath one is striving to control their worthiness, and one is striving to control how they're loved or seen or known.Right? Hmm, Lesley Logan: that's so fascinating. This is really cool. So, so basically like for those listening, obviously we'll put the link below and they'll have a 46% chance of being accurate, and then the next step is, is to work with someone like you or to like read into it and kind of like go, oh, that seems like more like me and less like me. Obviously that requires self-reflection, as you mentioned earlier. Erin Braute: Yeah, I created a free typing guide. It's a digital download to walk people through. Start here. I have a YouTube site with panels of all of the types, resources, educational information. So if you're not the type of person that wants to read a book or to do this, you could do this by listening to some of these conversations or some of this theory and figure it out.My [00:13:00] hope is to make typing accessible to folks, right? Yeah. So I give all of my secrets away, you know, in, in how I approach typing in this document in hopes that folks, you know, can fill it out. Or can find their way through and the link to that test is in there. Some people just wanna hit fast forward.Some people are more assertive. (...) Yeah, it, you're right. It's, it's, um, and they can do a typing interview. I just highly recommend that people work with folks who are practiced in typing at pulling out their own identity and their own bias, because we get a lot of projection that happens in typing. I'd say about half of the people I type are sitting in a, in the wrong bucket, either because a therapist or someone or a friend, or we self-identified. It's complicated understanding. Our [00:14:00] subconscious motivations are hard. Lesley Logan: Yeah. I mean, and that's like, and the, the, the reason I'm interested in this whole thing is cuz like, I believe like doing something before you're ready is important to actually doing the thing you want to do. Like waiting for someone to walk up and like deem you worthy to do the thing is like, not gonna happen. Like, just like it's over. Right. And by the time it does, you were ready already. Like you were ready. You were on a meeting list a year ago and they didn't have a budget for you.And so they're just wait like you were ready already. And so like, I, I really wanna encourage people listening to act as if they're the person already making the money. Or doing the thing because it helps you make decisions from a different place. That being said, easier said than done. And also I feel like that that comes with the type, it's easier for some or versus others.And so kind of wanted to think about like how having these results can help people be more of themselves or do the thing that they're, that they have goals for. Erin Braute: I love that [00:15:00] because I think the Enneagram is perfectly in alignment with your sort of mission, vision, values around this work, right?Because the Enneagram is a model of practice, it is not meant to be a typology where we sort of learn who we are. We sit in a box. It's a practice of returning to our whole selves. When we are kids, we don't have a distinct personality. We're a blank slate. We're all of these things. We're all of the types, we're all of the archetypes.We do all of the things, and we learn as we develop that if I make myself smaller and I use a smaller subset of resources, I get to my safety or my contentment, or my happiness or my love faster, right? And so I shrink those coping. And so here I am a grown adult and I'm using outdated or narrow resources to move around the world, and the Enneagram just tells me where I am in the model and the resources I'm currently using.And then [00:16:00] my work becomes a practice of how to add in and integrate these other tools. And it's centred in the integration of our head, heart, and body. And that's ultimately how I fell in love with it because it was such a holistic approach. Unlike all of these behavioral models, which trust me, I love as a behaviorist, which helped me understand what I do.The Enneagram fed into all of that with the why I do it and where I might be limited and how I can expand and grow so that I can get back to, oh, this is the, who I already am. I just kind of lost my weight to her for a while. Lesley Logan: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so interesting. Now of course, obviously Brad and I are gonna have to do this and then probably, and, and it will be interesting to see how each one of us decides to go about doing it because ...(Erin: Exactly.)It's so different. But it might explain, you know, um, uh, if you, obviously you're, you know, [00:17:00] the four tendencies, like, so like, um, I love those because I think it's an easy way for people to understand like why they do what they do. And like a short snippet, I'm an upholder 1000%, my husband has a true rebel, and then the book, it's like these two do not.Go together. And I'm like, somehow we do, somehow we go really well together. So like there's there, there's a limitation there. And so I think it's really, um, I think this is really cool because not to like knock therapy, because I think therapy, whether it's talk or somatic, whatever it is, it's like very essential for all of us.But it almost allows people to go inward on their own and kind of, and kind of figure themselves out in a way. And, and am I right or is it, is that? Yeah. Erin Braute: Yeah, you're totally right. And, and it, I think it allowed, at least for me to flip all of my work on its head, right? So I, before I was introduced to the Enneagram, I had a master's in public health and was focused on community behavior, right?Community wellness, community behavior. And I worked [00:18:00] for almost a decade in developing educational information and behavior change around women in sexual health, and I was introduced to the Enneagram and it sort of blew the lid off of it for me of, oh, I'm missing parts. There's more to this than just like cognitive knowing and intellect and studying and theoretical foundations.And it allowed me to evolve in my career. But it wasn't until I had kids, my daughter was two, my son was a newborn, where we started to recognize that my daughter had some differences, some challenges. She ended up being neurodiverse, she's on the autism spectrum. We have a lot of sensory issues, OCD, anxiety, emotional regulation, and it was so, so like, it kicked the door open for me and recognizing that I had all this knowledge around what it took to be present and to shift and to build [00:19:00] systems.But it wasn't until I had this little being in my life who kicked against everything I knew that I actually learned to integrate what I knew into what I do, what I did. Hmm. And I had all of these things that I had to contend with around my personality that made it hard and also made me a fantastic mom for her. And so it wasn't, and at the same time, I'm getting my PhD in organizational psychology when all of this is happening and I'm like, okay, I have all this knowledge and this little girl is teaching me how to be in my body in a way no one had ever showed me in all of my expertise, and I'm like, here I am.I have all this knowledge and all this access, and all this privilege. And this isn't just core basic information that's available. And it was something that I learned in her Neurodivergence work from Dr. Bruce Perry. I don't know if you're familiar with him. Lesley Logan: I have. I've heard of them. And I [00:20:00] just wanna take a pause because (Erin: Yeah) This might be the first time people are hearing about Neurodivergence. I know people have heard about autism, so can you just take a brief moment to explain what Neurodivergence is? Erin Braute: Yes. It's a more inclusive terminology that holds any, any differences in how the brain processes, right? So someone might say, I have ADD or ADHD or OCD or some of these other disorders that change the way my brain functions from a neurotypical, that's me.My brain works exactly how it's intended, right? So, I'm neurotypical and the whole world is built around my neurotypical needs. Right? So neuro divergence is a really inclusive way to say anyone who doesn't fit that norm. And my daughter just happens to have multiple things that impact her fitting that norm.Lesley Logan: Got it, got it. Thank you for, thank you for sharing that. Cause I think, um, I [00:21:00] only recently heard that word a like a year ago. And, um, I was very enthralled, but, and like, and excited about it because, There was, there's also like a neuro divergency with like hypermobility, like hypermobility can be a symbol of that.And I was like, cuz I as a pilates instructor have a, gosh, there's just like a, a significant number of people who seem to be hyper mobile, but they're very tight, but they're very, they're hyper mobile. You know, when you're just like, what is going on? What is this thing? And so I've been wanting to, to go down that rabbit hole.But anyways, I wanna go back to you, um, and your daughter, because I, first of all, like, like, if any, this is like such a, a cool. Not that it hasn't come with its own hardships, but like what a cool opportunity for your daughter to be, your daughter and for you to get to in integrate all this knowledge you have because otherwise it's just in your head and you're just like, I don't know, writing a paper or like observing things. But yes, I wasn't able to like take this knowledge you have and like see how you can work with it with [00:22:00] your daughter. Erin Braute: Yes, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And it, it brought it to a level of integration that I just recognized, especially in the personal professional development field, especially in corporate America and industry and entrepreneurs was missing.Right. We, we over function and intellect, which it overuses our coping, it overuses our personality strategy and we get burnt out and we don't understand why. And then we wonder why can't I make change? I want to work out more. I wanna eat better. I wanna sleep better. But there's all these things that get in my way and I, I don't know why.And then we go back to that, that coping strategy that says, well, it must be that I'm not working hard enough. Hey, type one, right? Like, I should just, I'm not good enough at it yet. And I use my critical voice and shame to push myself harder. Or the type three that's like, I [00:23:00] just need to have more hours of the day. And I use the bootstrap strap mentality and I, and I just push through. Lesley Logan: Wait, is that the type right three? Is that, did you say the type three? Yeah. Erin Braute: Yep. Yep. And so all of that just lifts us even further into the habits that aren't serving us. And so it was trauma informed parenting through the lens of Neurodivergence that I learned Dr. Bruce Perry's work around, it's a, I drew up for you cuz it's sometimes easier to see. It's a, it's a triangle and he talks about it in terms of being able to regulate, reconnect reason, and in society we focus solely on this top model. The reasoning, the problem solving, right? And that's a lot of what we do.In therapy or in that kind of work where in trauma informed work, it's all good in the body, right? The, the somatics and some of the beautiful things I've already heard you [00:24:00] talking about in other episodes and I'm like, oh, I love this. But it's often overlooked. Most people I talk to don't even understand about how to get in their body, let alone to do the next work around reconnecting with myself and my belonging before I get into the problem solving.Lesley Logan: You were 100% correct because I had a somatic therapist and she kept saying like, where do you feel this in your body? I'm like, are you, where do you want me to feel it? Like, yeah, right. What do you want me to, I don't know, I'm, I don't, I feel the chair I'm sitting on, like, I'm not really sure. And it took me forever to like, actually, and, and it was frustrating cuz as a implies instructor, of course the whole thing is connection, which of course is why I've been like, got so obsessed with Pilates, like my story, that I didn't know at the time, but like years later when I looked back I'm like, why did I fall in love with this so much? It was because the first moment I did Pilates was the first time I actually felt like I was inside my body. Like it was the only time, right. That I'd ever felt that.Right. Because I remember like going, I'm standing here, I'm like, what am I standing on? Like, am I standing in my feet? Like do I [00:25:00] feel the ground? You know? And so it was this way, it became this like mission for me to figure out, cuz it helped me connect to myself. So I find this, I just looked up, um, Because I knew the name.I've read what happened to you. I think that is one of his most accessible books for people to understand. Yes. The work that's right. That he does. Erin Braute: That's right. That is absolutely right.Lesley Logan: So, um, what, so obviously how old is your daughter now?...(Erin: She's eight.) She's eight. Okay. So six years of this. But like, I wanna go back to, you know, a couple years, a few years back when you were like figuring this out and you're seeing these signs, like what did it take for you? Like, how did you become the mom that could, you know what I mean?Because like, there's so many parents listening to this and maybe their kid is somewhere on that spectrum or, and if I use the wrong words, people please, like, you can correct me, but don't be mean to me. Um, I, I wanna learn, but like, That may not under, like, they know that they need to do something different, but like [00:26:00] where do they go and how did you Be It Till You See It, cuz now, I mean obviously it probably feels like it's not easy to be a parent to, to someone, but at all in, in any way.But as, uh, the, a parent in this world where the world is meant for people like you and not your daughter. Erin Braute: Yeah, I think that's a really beautiful question. And whether or not you're parenting a neurotypical or a neuro divergent kiddo, we run through the same challenges because they're a reflection of our own pinches, our own agitators, our own triggers, the things that hit the parts of our identity that are trying to protect us, but don't serve us.And that's why the Enneagram, for me, becomes the thread through all of this. How I regulate, how I reconnect, how I reason is reflective of my archetype, my personality, my motivations. So you and I wouldn't do this work the same way, but often behavioral work is given this sort of big umbrella that says, do these things right and it should work.And [00:27:00] then we go back into, some of them do and some of them don't. And when they don't, is it me? Am I doing something wrong? Right? And so I think about this like trying on jeans, right? We're not the sisterhood of the traveling pants. The same pair of pants don't fit us. Yes, we have to be empowered to go in the dressing room and try them all on, and then we have to be empowered to take them off when they don't fit.And so the thing that helped for me was I had a lot of knowledge. I, I already had the muscles around self-awareness and that's where I tell people to start. Always, I tell people to start with a noticing practice, and I have a free resource that I can link to folks that can help start. What does that mean?Right? It's just this practice of learning to pay attention to ourselves again, because so much of it goes into our subconscious, our habit, right? So I already had that deep knowledge. I was very fortunate in that what I didn't have was [00:28:00] the skills to self-regulate. Based on what I knew to be true about myself.And so my agitators, my stressors as a Type seven on the enneagram was I wasn't very patient. I didn't like to be told no. I was onto the next thing. I had a really hot energy. And when you're dealing with medical providers and evaluations and insurance companies and meltdowns that happen when you are in the middle of a grocery store and I can't control it.I had to work on those things that I wasn't good at, right? Being patient, you know, managing the tenderness that came up for me all required my own self-regulation. So getting into my body, those grounding practices that were really, really important. And then I had to follow it with some good systems, some self-management systems.How do I build the life? That works for [00:29:00] us, right? And I had a big corporate job. I was running three divisions of a national health system, and I had to decide, do I go to work and live in their system? Or do I change my career trajectory after two decades and build a life that's in service to my kid and my husband and my newborn.And I chose that route and it was really hard Lesley Logan: I think first of all, like super brave. I don't know if your Enneagram puts you in that position to make that brave decision E more easily than others, but like, I, I just wanna say like, good for you. And also like to every woman listening, every, like, that's a big decision and sure didn't come lightly, but you did it.And what was that? What was that? Did it, what, what were the struggles there and like, and how far on the other side do you feel you are on that, that you feel like you've gotten to where you wanna be at this point? Cuz it's been about what, six years? Erin Braute: It's been about six years. I, I was really tender. I, all of my identity, I'm an over function and an overachiever.[00:30:00] All of my identity was wrapped up in that I was on a v I P track or a A V I P track, a VP track like I wanted ( Lesley: Yeah) the job, Lesley Logan: vip, all the things. Yeah. Erin Braute: And so I was tender and, and I didn't, I don't do this perfectly and I made a, a really dumb decision and enrolled in a PhD program cuz I thought, well I needed a story to tell the corporate world why I was taking a break from work and so I'm gonna go get this PhD.Like it's some easy thing while I'm managing a newborn, a two year old who was recently diagnosed with autism. Right? Smart. So we make mistakes and that's. Honestly, it's really typical, my personality if you, as you sort of get to know it, but the work becomes recovering from it, right? The work becomes how do I return to myself?And so I made the commitment to do this, but I had to [00:31:00] change about two years in of who I was doing it for. Um, I fell into coaching. I've been doing coaching for businesses and teams in corporate for a long time and I, I was doing it for myself and was really good at it and was really successful, so I was like, okay, I'm gonna finish this PhD for me, but not because I'm trying to prove anything to anybody.So I take breaks whenever life is hard with my kids. I've taken six months off at a time. Finishing for me isn't about crossing the finish line at any given time. It's about finishing for myself and, and being proud of the work that I'm doing. And so it's slower, it's messier, but it's, I'm not proving anything to myself anymore.Lesley Logan: Well, and it sounds like because, because of your, obviously you have your amazing degrees, so let's just be real, but also because of your knowledge of how, of who you are. First with this Enneagram tool, it's helping you understand why you're doing these [00:32:00] things, like why it was so important to you, and then maybe also allowing you to give yourself permission to change the reason you're doing it to, to reframe that.Yes. And so I think it just comes, keeps coming back to like the more we know ourselves, and not just like what we do, but like why we do it. Yeah. The easier it is for us to show up in the world the way that we want to. Erin Braute: You got it. You got it. That's it. It sounds so simple. It's the hardest work we will ever do because we're undoing years and years and years of sort of born in habits in our body that are tied to the way we feel safe in the world.Right? Yeah. So, Let me give your listeners a tangible example cuz it's like, okay, what does this even mean? I was working with this woman who IDE self-identified as a perfectionist, right? And she was such a perfectionist that she struggled to use her voice at work [00:33:00] and not using her voice at work. Got her to the point where she hated her job.And so she came to me cuz she wanted to find a new job. She thought she needed to change careers. And I was like, okay, before we tackle this, right, that's the behavior. That's the action. Let's come underneath that. Figured out that she connected to the type one that she was, had these perfectionist tendencies that she had, this deep, critical voice that told her that she wasn't good enough, a lot.And she developed this real inability to make mistakes. Right. Mistakes meant I was bad and that I might get criticized and that I was unsafe or unlovable, right? And so I don't make mistakes. My whole body sort of freezes in these situations, therefore I don't use my voice. Right. So you think logically the work is to say, let, let's work on roleplaying and helping you feel more comfortable using your voice at work.Absolutely not. That's not what we do. That is the [00:34:00] last thing we do. That's why the behavior comes last. We have to feed the formula. So we found the safest place for her, which was at home with her kids, and we tried to figure out how. How she could make mistakes at home. She's a perfectionist. She likes everything in a certain way.And so she started letting her two and four year old help her put away the dishes and her, her four-year-old would take the dishes or take the silverware, open the drawer and just dump them in. And her work was to let the kid close the drawer and leave it, and she had to do all that somatic work. The grounding, the breath work, the laughing, the dancing, the playfulness, right?All. All of this work to allow her to be able to self-regulate this mistake that was telling her body mistakes are not okay. And eventually she got to the point where she could live with the messes with the kids. She could leave the dishes in the sink overnight. She could let her kiddos help her. And more and more and more, her body started to [00:35:00] feel safe around mistakes.To the point where she could use her voice at work. Took her a couple of months. But she got there Lesley Logan: That's a be it till you see it kind of a thing. It's like she's practicing somewhere so she can do the thing. She went, oh wait, I love this. Erin Braute: Yes, so excited. That's her. That's exactly what it is.That's exactly what it is. But we have to remember that we have to practice where we're already comfortable, where we're already safe, or where we already trust ourselves. And so much of habit change wants us to practice where we're unsafe and all that does is ramp up. Are old coping, all that does is put into overdrive what's already burnt out.Yeah. You're, Lesley Logan: I mean, like, um, I did, I studied Tiny Habits with BJ Fogg and um, it is, and and I see it all the time. Like I'll see it in like, you know, people, they'll sign up for my Palis platform and then they don't use it every day. Right, right. Because that's what they said they do. So they quit it cuz they're not good enough.It's like actually like, [00:36:00] I really just want you to use it for five minutes. And in fact, if that's too much, I just want you to log in and press play. Like that's Yes. You know, I just want you, you are used to gonna the computer just do that. And like, we ha but we're, it is, and I don't know if it's like, if it's all the types of engram, but like majority of people, it's like, oh, I said I'm gonna do this huge thing I've never done, I don't do.Mm-hmm. Or it's been a long time. And then we get upset at ourselves when we can't meet that because it is impossible to meet that every single day. Erin Braute: You got it. You got it. And that is the difference between behavior and identity, right? Mm-hmm. Like behavior in so much of behavior change says like, we're gonna go hike the Grand Canyon and, and we sort of, Look at the Grand Canyon and the vastness, and we get ready to hike it, but we sort of forget that in order to get to the other side, I have to look down and like take the first few steps.And that's exactly what you're helping people do. It's like, just get in and logged in and hit play. Don't worry about being a Pilates pro in 30 days. Like just [00:37:00] get in the system. Um, but so many people look at, you know, the Pilates Pro and are like, oh, I'll never be there, so I just won't start in the first place.Lesley Logan: Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh, Erin, I could keep talking to you because I just feel like we've, like, only touched the surface and I, I feel like there's some other topics I'm gonna have to have you back on. Um, so everyone listening, you'll have to just like, let us know where you, where you want us to dive in deeper on the next time, cuz we'll absolutely have our back.We're gonna take a brief break, find out where people can find you, follow you in just a moment. All right, Aaron, where do you hang out? Where can people work with you, coach with you, you know, all the things. Erin Braute: You can check me out on living the Enneagram. Uh, on Instagram, I load up Instagram with, uh, concepts, content practices, journal prompts, free resources.I want the Enneagram and behavior change and it's roots and identity to be as accessible for. For folks [00:38:00] as possible. So if you aren't the type of person that likes coaching or can't afford coaching, I want you to have access to be able to implement in, uh, the link in my profile on Instagram. I have tons of free resources, a YouTube channel, free typing guide.Reading lists, all this kind of stuff to sort of get you going. And then if you're somebody who does like working with someone, having someone sort of block the path or you wanna get there faster, you can check me out on living the enneagram.com. Uh, and about, uh, the coaching, the one-on-one or group coaching that I do with folks.Wonderful. Lesley Logan: Okay. Before I let you go, I mean, you, you've been in so many amazing words, but bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Erin Braute: Yes. I. I, I was listening and thinking about these and I was like, okay, there's so many, uh, recommendations that I would give.But the thing that I would recommend for folks to start practicing, its four steps and it's a practice of recovery. [00:39:00] Um, we know that in relationship research that 69% of the problems that we face with other people in life are unsolvable and. We spend so much time looking for fixes and not enough time learning how to manage and cycle through.And so this is a practice of cycling, right? And the steps are to notice, to name, to recover, and to repair. And the noticing is paying attention to me. This is self-awareness. My Enneagram type, who I am, um, just even paying attention to the behavior that I have and naming it is making meaning of what I do.Right. How does this tie to my identity? Maybe it doesn't, but maybe it does. Right? Maybe I. I'm not using my voice because I struggle with making mistakes. And if I can't change something tied to my identity, if I can't name it. Mm-hmm. And then I have to recover, get in my body, be with myself. Meet my own [00:40:00] needs and then I repair, I change the behavior.I set a boundary. I use my voice. I, you know, have a conversation with my spouse or my kiddos that say, you know, I wanna do this differently and this is what it looks like. But this is a sort of cyclical of how I move through the things that I can't solve. Because I am who I am. I'm not a problem to be solved as a human.Uh, it's moving through the things that, you know. Require us to sort of rub off our rough edges on other people. Uh, and so this notice name, recover, repair is really helpful in doing that. Oh, Lesley Logan: I love that. I really do. I love it. I love because as soon as I heard you say 60%, 69% of the problems are unsolvable.I'm like, oh, well that sucks. But, but thank you for this tool that can help us. And I think, um, it, you know, I'm sure you listened to a, um, a few episodes bef. We're recording this on a different date, but from the recording. Date, um, Dr. Bender was talking about like, too [00:41:00] often we try to reason. Mm-hmm. And this is very different than reasoning, cuz reasoning is like projecting looking outward.Mm-hmm. Like trying to figure out other people. And this is more like going inward and trying to understand yourself and what you can do on, on naming it so you can get into your body and then repair it. I l. Aaron, you're incredible. Thank you so much for being here. You guys. How are we going to lose this in your life?What? What are your takeaways? Tag Living the Igram Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. A and until next time, be it till you see it. That's all I got for this episode of the Be Until You See a Podcast. 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This episode delves into the inspiring journey of Renee Bauer, a renowned divorce attorney turned women's empowerment advocate. It explores how Renee leverages her personal experiences and professional expertise to empower women to make decisions free from fear. Expect insights on reclaiming self-worth, understanding finances, and navigating life post-divorce.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How Renee's work shifted to women's empowerment space. Overcoming divorce shame and embarrassment. How to make decisions that aren't based on fears. How toxic relationships can bring out the worst version of ourselves. Showing up for yourself and finding a positive tribe of people. She Who Wins podcast and Renee's upcoming book. How to take control of your money and be the CFO of your life. Episode References/Links:Follow Renee on IGMs. Renee Bauer WebsiteListen to the She Who Wins PodcastListen to the Be It Till You See It podcast Amy Ledin Episode 5: How to Take Fast Action Against Limiting BeliefsMenopocalypse by Amanda ThebeGuest Bio:Renee is an award winning divorce attorney and Founder of Happy Even After Family Law. She is also a multi 7-figure entrepreneur and loves helping other women recognize their own self-worth, make big, bold decisions and build a business that gives them the financial freedom to follow their heart.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Renee Bauer: [00:00:00] If I ask a client, like, if this was your daughter's relationship, what would you tell her? And they'll say, well, I tell her to leave. Well, why is that not good enough for you? Like, why is it different for her? And guess what? She's watching you. And if she's, if she sees you not leaving and sees that maybe her dad or or her stepdad isn't treating you right, like what does she take from that, Lesley Logan: Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt, my friend, my friends.Action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a [00:01:00] perfect. Let's get started.All right. Loves, how are you? Welcome back to the Beat Till seat interview with an amazing guest. Um, I am so thrilled to have this one on. I've actually been on her podcast. She who wins and she's such a powerhouse. And here's what I know. I know that there are divine appointments and everything.Like we, uh, we met by putting ourselves into a room and it was a very small in-person event that was going on. And there was this networking. Part that was supposed to happen and as an introvert that I was, I just wanted to hang up my friend Lauren and like just go have a drink. But the energy in the group was so good that we decided to stay for the networking part, which was like this, you sit and the one row of chairs in front of you just kept moving.So you had like these two or three minutes per, per person to talk to. So it's a little overwhelming for the introvert that I am. And there's like 20 people that we met like within an hour. It was chaos and crazy. But when I, this woman sat down in front of me, first of all, I was so excited to [00:02:00] finally meet her because I'd been hearing her amazing advice in the room and I was like, I gotta know this woman.And then when she asked me for some help, I was like, Ugh. Cuz I had this like moment of like imposter syndrome. But like I just was like, this woman is so amazing, she's so powerful. Like, and then she asked a question and I was like, oh, I have an answer to that. And it was so hilarious because she had actually just met.The person I suggested that she connect with. However, um, it just goes to show that that person got double votes that she needs to connect with her. And also, um, never, never put yourself into a position where you actually are putting people up on pedestals when you haven't actually met them. Because who you are is valuable and what you have to offer is very uniquely different than what the person you're in front of has to offer.And so together we can actually have these amazing, crazy moments where we come together and we're stronger than we ever we're on our own. And so we actually dive into this, uh, to that type of topic in this interview. So, Renee Bauer, she's incredible. You're gonna hear her story. You're gonna hear who she is, what she does, what she's up to next, which I think is really important cuz sometimes I think, [00:03:00] um, when I bring on guests, you can just hear what they are at the top of their game, but also as they're transitioning into another thing.You know, she's this powerful, amazing person, but she's starting something new and there's uncertainty there and there's, there's newness there. And so I'm, I'm really excited for hear. Tons of amazing advice and also hear from someone who is like changing what they're up to these days and how that's working for them.And so it's exciting and you're gonna get a lot out of this. Let me know how you feel about this podcast by leaving us a review. Give us some stars. You can do that on Spotify, apple, or ever listen to podcasts. And here is Renee.All right, be it babe. I am really thrilled finally, to bring this amazing woman on the Be It pod. I have met her, gosh, it's probably almost six months ago now, uh, that we're recording this, so maybe even longer by the time you hear this. But she was just such a powerhouse, and when I heard what she does for women and what she does on this planet, I was like, I have to have her on.So Renee Bauer, thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what Renee Bauer: you rock at? Thank you, Leslie. [00:04:00] I'm so pumped to be here. I am a divorce lawyer. I've been doing it for 20 years, but I noticed in that journey that the relationship was kind of a, was what happened after other things were going on in a woman's life.And really what was happening is women were struggling with issues of worthiness, of understanding money. Of understanding that they were capable of the love and the life and the job that they want. So my work has since shifted to more of this woman's empowerment space of hosting live events and a podcast.And I have a book coming out in 2023 all about that. So it's, you know, the work is, is is part divorce. That's what I, my trade is, but my love and purpose is really helping women just see what they're capable of and what they can inspire Lesley Logan: to. You know, okay. There's so much to unpack and love there because, um, you could have, you could have definitely just stayed, like, just had that one thing just been like, just rocking one thing, amazing divorce attorney, but you [00:05:00] saw that there's another problem and like, if we could solve this problem, it might put you out of a job or it might actually help people.Um, it will help women realize that no matter what happens in their relationship, they are an amazing person. That like, that, like that isn't a reflection, uh, it doesn't have a reflection of them and their worthiness. Renee Bauer: Yeah. And you know, so, uh, what I saw over the years is that women who would come into my office and they would sit across from me and they would ask questions like, how do you know?Or I would see them, Describe these really horrific, toxic relationships, or they knew that their relationship had come to completion because it was just fine and that wasn't good enough. But they still didn't make that decision to leave the relationship because they were scared. And a lot of times it was fear around money.It was a lack of control of money. And I said, well, that's, that's the issue here. It. Is, it's, it's not that the relationship, it's, you know, whether you stay or go, but it's, they're choosing, they know the relationship has come to completion, but they haven't chose themselves yet because they're so [00:06:00] afraid.And that's the root of really what, what the work that I do and the problem that I saw and I hope to help people Lesley Logan: work through. Oh yeah. I think, um, I can, I wasn't married to the person I was with before Brad, but it was like that. And I remember driving on the freeway and like, In traffic and just like praying to God that like he would break us up because I really didn't know how to break up and I also didn't know what I would do once we were broken up.Cuz I was like, I, I don't have a place to live once we break all these things. Right. And, uh, living in la like there's a really expensive leap to make. It's like, oh, I'm gonna go from like having a house that I like paid f partially for, but not enough to like, pay for an apartment of any size. Size. And so, um, so I, I can relate to those women so much and I'll, and I'll never forget I had this client.And, uh, she, she's a woman of a, of a certain age and a certain amount of wealth from her previous. She married well the first time, and she's asked me how it was going. [00:07:00] I said, oh, it's, it's nice. And she said, honey wallpaper's nice. And she said, look, you don't have to marry for love the first time you can marry for money.But do not just be in a nice relationship. Renee Bauer: I love that. I, you know what? I had the same story of that you had of driving, I was driving in my minch green Volvo, s u v with the double videos on the headrest with, with my infant son in the backseat. And I had this moment where it was like, okay, now that I have my son, I have everything I need to be happy.Like now I look back and I think of that thought. I was like, whoa. Like what? You know, girl, there, there's some work to do there. But I stayed in that relationship for. Two years because I thought, well, my son would bring me happiness. Not the case yet for a minute, but you know, not long term. And I had just started my law firm.I had maybe five clients I could count on one hand, you know, the number of people I represented. Rented and the money that was not flowing in, and I stayed partially because I was afraid of living on my own, having to support myself. I didn't know [00:08:00] how I was going to, even though I had a law degree, I was a lawyer.I didn't have that, that steady job because I was self-employed and I stayed. Yeah. And so I've like, I've been there, you know, and I see it so many times with women too, who feel so stuck because of a situation they find themselves in. But that doesn't have to be the only situation. Like there are, there are things that they.Can do in order to get out of that situation because being just fine. Am I ex He's a great guy. He was a great dad. Like there was nothing wrong. It was, it was wallpaper, Lesley Logan: right? I'm, it's just, I've, I've never forgotten that entire, like conversation cuz I'm, when, whenever I have clients like, oh, it's nice.I'm like, wallpaper's nice. Like, I'll never forget that. Like, there's gonna be moments where your relationship is like in different stages, but, um, just if the, if the high point is nice then, so I, I love that you have that story as well, because I think it makes it even easier for you to be relatable not only to your clients, but to the women that you're trying to serve right now.And what are some things that you did to [00:09:00] kind of like ready yourself to leave him and also like to get yourself to the point where you're like, I can teach other people how they're worthy no matter what's going on. Renee Bauer: Yeah, so two, two different questions and answers, but one, getting ready to leave. I just got to the point where I was so unhappy and I had gone to a doctor, just a regular checkup, and the doctor was like, how are things going?You're a new mom. And I remember saying like, you know, doc, I'm not happy. And she was like, you want me to prescribe a prescription for you? And I was like, wait a second. I'm not depressed, I'm not happy. And there's a difference. And that's when I think everything started to fall into place. And it was like, you know what?There's nothing wrong with this relationship, but I can't see myself li living a fulfilled life, staying in it and taking that leap and trusting that it was all going to work out. And I tell my clients that all the time. It's sometimes you have to take the leap and let everything work itself out the way it will, even though you're scared, even though you don't know what the other side's gonna look like, even though [00:10:00] you don't know where you're gonna live.Like you just have to decide, okay, I'm gonna take the smallest little action forward in order to at least start the momentum. And that's what I did. It was like the smallest step. And it was like, all right, I file. I don't know what's gonna happen next. Okay, now I move out. Now I don't know what's gonna happen after that.And it was like just kept taking little hard, uncomfortable, scary action. Friends, and you know, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. That year was hard. Like it was, it was, I was my, the worst version of myself. I was devastated. I had so much shame around it. I didn't have friends because I wasn't living in the state that I grew up in, but it's like, okay, I ca I know in my heart.This is still the right decision. Mm-hmm. Because even though it's a hard one, it's still the right one for me, you know? And here I am, all of these, let's see, my son's 17 now, so 15 years later, I'm so grateful I made that decision and he, we've both moved on, we're both remarried. Um, he's, my ex is with I think the per perfect person for him.I was not it, you know, I met with [00:11:00] my match and I'm so grateful that. I was able to kind of push through that hard when I think so many women don't want to feel that discomfort and so that they, they stay because what they know is better than what they don't know. Lesley Logan: Oh, yeah. I, I couldn't agree more. And I, I mean, like, I definitely, as I like hear your story, what I, what I hear so much is like, because of that situation, it really makes you the most prepared to do what you're doing right now.Like if you had, uh, if you had stayed in that relationship like. It doesn't sound like it was a horrible one. You just weren't happy and like you definitely would've ended up affecting other things in your life. But also if you'd never been married to that person, like your life, be totally different and you wouldn't be able to help.You could be the same lawyer with the same, even like a similar child situation, but like you wouldn't actually be able to relate to women the way that you're doing it and also empower them the way you are going to they, the way you are now. Renee Bauer: I don't think I became a really good divorce lawyer until I got through that and I have.So in between all of that, I got married a second [00:12:00] time, like so I even have that little and that second husband. That relationship lasted from beginning to end, like a year and a half. I mean, we're talking, meeting, marriage, divorce, and that short of time. So ta pile the shame on there and the embarrassment on, but that journey.Would not, you know, having gone through that, like I can connect with clients and other women who are saying, um, you know, I'm so scared I get it. Like I was too. Like I understand the fear around money and you can still work through it. So before I, you know, I was a decent lawyer, but having that pain and experiencing the emotional rollercoaster of going through that, I think changed everything about how I practiced and, and represented my clients.Yeah. Lesley Logan: Yeah, you can see them and, and also you can understand that that, and you said the word like it's shame. Like there is so much shame whether you go through a divorce or thinking of going through a divorce, you go through another one. My mom, um, she's gone through too, and I can tell that the shame that she still carries around that.Um, what are some things that you [00:13:00] help you helped yourself or help other clients do to deal with that shame part? Because that I think can be the one that changes your life the most. Like that could keep you from doing anything else after a divorce. I love this question Renee Bauer: so much because it wasn't until I started actually speaking out and speaking, going on a podcast like this and talking about my two divorces that I overcame the shame.So prior to that, I was like going into work and, and doing all of the things. I'd come home and still be kind of living in this world of like, I was embarrassed. I didn't wanna talk about it. I didn't wanna share any of my personal story with my colleagues or like other lawyers or let anyone know about it.But I had gone on a friend's podcast and she started, she, she said, I'm gonna interview you. I'll bring sushi over. We'll have a couple martinis. It'll be all good. So she did that. I'm like, Ooh, sushi. Okay, I'm, I'm in. We poured the martini. She clipped on the mic and she. Started asking me about my divorce and maybe I was a little buzzed, but I actually started answering [00:14:00] really honestly.And when that episode came out, people had reached out to me to say like, Hey, that was my story too. Thank you for speaking so vulnerably about it. And that's when I realized I need to talk about this and not be ashamed about it. And so now, now it's like, it's, it's second nature to just, to be like, yeah, I'm divorced twice, so what?You know? And so it was, it was sharing it, and I think so often, People don't wanna share that. And they're almost like, apologize. It's like, you know, the whisper like, oh, I'm divorced, or I'm twice divorced. And it's like, just own it. Be like, you know what? I, I was in two relationships that didn't work out and I made the, the brave decision to leave that because I wanted more from our family, for us, for our kids.And you know that that's okay. You know, Lesley Logan: I wanna highlight that because there are many women listen to this podcast. We have a few good men and then we have mostly women and I. I wanna highlight that you said you made the brave decision to leave. I think, um, though, that if we could actually change the stigma around divorce and we could [00:15:00] actually focus on, um, that you may, that it's brave and courageous to, you know, Acknowledge that this is not the right relationship for either person, then I actually think there'd be more happiness in this world, and also children raised in households where they can see that confidence comes from like, choosing yourself and that you can choose yourself.Um, I, I, I actually think it would be way different than people like trying to stick it out for longer and or some people are in relationships, unfortunately, where there is. Trauma happening and things like that, and like that, that there's a shame around divorce. So they'd rather stay in the thing. And it's like if we could just empower people that it's actually very brave to choose, you know, to help both people have an opportunity to have love and Renee Bauer: happiness.Yeah, and I, and I think if people are being really honest, if they're in that or you're on the cusp of divorce, that relationship's not happy. Neither of you are happy. Because you are not gonna have one person who's totally happy and the other one who's miserable, like something, the dynamic it, it whatever is [00:16:00] happening there.The reality of it is both of you are probably in this kind of place of just being stuck or just going through the motions of it. And it breaks my heart that like I have friends who are in relationships or marriages that are not great and they're not happy. And I'll say to them, well, you have a choice.And they'll be like, no, I don't. Like, I have three kids. So. Like that isn't the reason to stay in something where you wake up every day and you, you dislike, and I, I don't wanna say the word hate, but for some people it's hate, dislike, or resent. Your your spouse. And if you know, I, I like to say if when your kids go off to college, how do you feel about spending time with your spouse?And usually if the answer is like, oh God no. Like, I don't know what we're gonna do, well that tells you that something needs to be fixed, whether you work on it as a couple, which if that's possible, then the absolutely do that. Or you make the decision to change the situation. Yeah. Lesley Logan: Yeah, I think that that's what a, a great way to picture things, cuz that can really help you.And also, like, I love that, you know, [00:17:00] you people we're not here saying like, divorce is the answer. You can't, there are some relationship that absolutely can be worked on, but ob obviously both parties have to want to, to do that. And then action speaks louder than, than the words that are in those things.So, so to go back to like teaching people worthiness and like also, you know, Also overcoming the fear of that uncertainty. What are, what are some things that, um, that women can do, and especially in if, if that's, if this is where they're like thinking of going or where maybe they're at right now as I listen to this.Renee Bauer: Yeah. And so I'm bringing this to a, a very strategic, um, to do what they can do because what I have found is that most women have this fear around money, and often they, they'll come into me and they'll say, I wasn't the one who paid the bills, or All the money got deposited into a joint account. I don't know what's going on.So this is a really practical strategy that they can just start to really educate themselves and be informed about what's happening in their marital finances. Really start to see what's [00:18:00] coming in, what's going out, what do the bills look like, um, look at retirement statements. Make sure that you have your own credit card.Set up a separate bank account if all you have is a joint account. So like, really start to do things where you feel empowered from a financial perspective, because so many women feel like they're, they're gonna stay stuck because of the money, you know? Mm-hmm. Like we talked about. Mm-hmm. They're not, they're not gonna have enough, but if they start to take control of that, then they can.Start to make decisions that aren't based on fear, but really are aligned with what they know is true. So it's really start to get a handle on the money, and that's like start looking through bank statements and credit card statements and investment statements so you can really understand what there is.Lesley Logan: Yeah, I think that that's really, we, um, at our house, we call it the sahu, the State of the Financial Union. And once a month, and I hate the meeting, I really do, but I also don't wanna not be at the meeting because like, it didn't make me feel good to not know what's going on. So we once a month sit down and we know how much money is the next month supposed to bring in, how much are we?And like it's a little bit [00:19:00] business and a little bit personal because obviously we work for ourselves. So if the business doesn't make its money, we don't make our money. So we actually sit through and go, okay, yes, we expect all these members to stay on. We expect, oh, I expect these ones to leave. Oh, we have these events coming up.We can expect to make this much. Okay. Every, all the, there's no stress on payroll, there's no stress on this. And then, um, while Brad does pay our bills, well my sister actually works for us and she like sends all the money around. I'm on all the, I get all the emails. This has been paid, this has been paid, this has been paid.So like I am involved in knowing where things are at. And then my husband and I actually never joined our, uh, bank accounts. We've always had 'em separate. Yeah. Just kind of made sense cuz he had his own business at the time and I had my own. And it allows, It allows me to feel like I don't ever have to a, not that he, he would ever ask me to, but I don't ask.I don't ever feel like I have to ask to buy a cent something if I want something. Yeah. It's like I have my own money, I have my own credit card. You know, as long as I can be responsible with all that, then I can know I'm good with my things. I, you know Renee Bauer: what? And that's such a hot button [00:20:00] topic, because I like, I posted something on TikTok and it went a little nutty and people were coming at from all different angles.I agree with you. I, there's nothing wrong with keeping things separate and my husband and I too, we all have separate stuff and we have a joint bank account that really sits there kind of dormant. We don't use it because everything, we're kind of operating from our separate. That doesn't mean you're setting yourself up or getting prepared for divorce.It just means that you have some financial independence. And having that state of the union is so important because even though things are separate, you come together and you look at the full picture. So people get really triggered by that, and they think like, well, if you're, you're keeping things separate, then that means your relationship isn't totally unified.And I disagree. Yeah. I think that, Lesley Logan: yeah, I couldn't, I, I agree. And I, you know, TikTok is a whole other world of Oh, it certainly Renee Bauer: is. I just, it's such a weird place, but Lesley Logan: like, Almost the people who are saying that, I feel like there's more fear on, on their end, like that you're almost highlighting something, um, that they're, [00:21:00] uh, unwilling to acknowledge.But it's like your relationship can be hot and connected and it doesn't have to be by a bank account. Like that's what tell you you're having a great relationship. So, um, I love, I love that tool. Um, when it, when when women are, um, obviously they're spare around money. Do, what other fears have you seen that keep them from maybe making this decision or also they know that they make the decision, but like making the next steps so that they can thrive On the other side?Being Renee Bauer: alone, that's always a big one. Um, figuring out, so being alone and having to figure out like, How are you cutting the lawn? I mean, that's one of my favorite stories is like one of my first weekends after divorce, it was maybe a few weeks had gone by and I looked out in my lawn and they were like weeds all over the place.I'm like, ah, shit. Like I need to handle this. And I went out with a weed whacker and weed whacked a half acre, and it was a disaster. And then on Monday I went and hired someone. But it was like doing simple things like [00:22:00] that that you never had to think about. And people think like they're. Overwhelmed, like, how am I going to have the, the driveway plowed?And, and, and there's solutions to all of that. So you don't put your happiness online just because you're worried about the, the shrubs needing pruning. Mm-hmm. So that's, you know, that's one of the things. And then often the kids, people are afraid of messing up their kids. And I, what I say to them is, conflict causes problems and it causes, um, Con consequences in, you know, in kids, what kids are seeing and how they're being raised.It's not, it's not the divorce, it's the conflict. Mm-hmm. So, being in a house where there's a ton of conflict and a ton of fighting, they're seeing that now you're normalizing what, what a relationship looks like to them. And let me tell you, they're gonna go on and make those same mistakes and not have a healthy relationship because they're mirroring what the, what they grew up in rather than watching.To their parents, maybe live separately, but also live in a, in a happy environment. And [00:23:00] I know that that's kind of black and white and there's a whole lot of in between there with levels of conflict, even when you're divorced. But often people think that the divorce itself is going to screw kids up, and it's just not, it's not true.Yeah, I think, Lesley Logan: I think you're right. I think, um, you know, there's that whole like childhood divorced kids, like divorced homes like from the eighties and nineties. And I think that if you really look at it, it was the way that conflict was really. Put through with divorces, like there's conflict getting to the divorce, and then the divorces are messy and ugly.And, and so like, the kids are not, it's not the divorce, it's the messy and ugliness that they're seeing from their parents who, the parents say they love them, but that like, they're like, it's, but they're, it's just, it's all a hot mess. So I, I agree. I think, um, One of our guests, Amy Ledin, she'd said, um, actions are caught not taught.And if you are wanting your kids to go open a world where they get to have choice, they get to feel happy. inute---Lesley Logan: They get to feel like they have potential and possibility in this world and love, but you're raised 'em a household [00:24:00] where like they can clearly see that the two adults do not have that kind of passion for each other, or love for each other, or respect for each other.They're seeing that they're seeing those actions and that that is going to be something that. They either resent you for or they think is normal, as you say, that normalizes it, and then that's how their relationships go. Renee Bauer: Yeah. Like, and you think about, like, I have a, a son and three stepkids. I want them to be happy.And if that means walking away from a relationship that isn't good and, and, and filing for a divorce or, or leaving that, then so be it. If they're happy and rather than staying, you know, and it's like, It's what do you want for them? And if you can't, like if, if you, if I ask a client, like, if this was your daughter's relationship, what would you tell her?And they'll say, well, I tell her to leave. Well, why is that not good enough for you? Like, why is it different for her? And guess what? She's watching you. And if she's, if she sees you not leaving and sees that maybe her dad or or her stepdad isn't [00:25:00] treating you right, like what does she take from that? You know?Mm-hmm. Just, it's, it's hard though. It's hard, you know? It's easy for, for someone to listen, be like, yeah, but you don't get it. It, it's, you know, there's so many, of course it is hard, like there are so many factors and it's not a simple process to walk away and there's so much untangling and uncoupling, but it's still worth it.Yeah. If you're living in a bad relationship or a stagnant, or there isn't love, Yeah, it's worth it. You're Lesley Logan: worth it. I, I love that you, and thank you for your knowledge and that I, like, if you're listening to this and you're like, you guys, it's like, it's not gonna be easy. It's not gonna be easy. It's not easy.Even if you, if the, if it's a conscious uncoupling, like yeah, it's still not easy. Um, because that, that's the end of a chapter. That's end of a story. It's end of a book and like, you know, there's a lot of unraveling to do there. But, um, I, I will stand by you and like, you know, we, it is so much more important.On the other side of it, and now however long that takes you, like, you know, it's, it doesn't have to be tomorrow that you make this decision. [00:26:00] You can prepare and ready yourself to ready up. But like I do think that being honest with yourself about what you deserve in this world, I. You know, and I, I believe that everyone has this purpose, as I'm sure you do, and like there's lives that they can change and there's people that they can love.And if you are not in a place where you feel loved or feel happy or feel respected, you can't show up in the world No. And give people Renee Bauer: anything. No. When I was in that second bad marriage, and that one was really toxic, I was an awful boss. I was an awful lawyer. I was an, I was, uh, not a very good or present parent.I wasn't a good friend. Like I was just, I, I was, I was my worst version. Like I could not possibly shine light on anyone else because I was sitting in so much darkness. Lesley Logan: Yeah. Yeah. Um, How do you prepare people to go through the steps of a divorce? Like, are there things that they, that we should, that we, I'm not gonna include myself.I'm doing great, but are there things that people can, [00:27:00] um, can, like, think about and consider? Because obviously there's the filing, but then like, you know, depending on what state you live, and it could be months long, there's all these things. So like what are some things like emotionally though that they could, we could think about to, to, to go through that process?Renee Bauer: Uh, find, find your tribe. Find a support system. Um, that may not include friends and family. So those people who are around you now, they're really well intentioned, but they may not be the best person to go to. So find a community of people, and there's so many of them out there in, in this world, and pri like, I have a private Facebook group for divorced women, but find a really positive tribe of people who get what you're going through.Um, so you don't feel so alone in it. And the other thing is make sure it, you know, start to put the steps in place to educate yourself and, um, like I had mentioned, start gathering financial documents. Meet with a couple lawyers. Don't just go to a person who's someone recommended. Uh, go and have a couple consultations, even if they're paid.And trust your gut. Like, who, [00:28:00] how do you feel about this person? Can you work with them, um, and make sure you're making a decision based on what. What they offer, like is it aligned with how you wanna go through the process? Um, because a lot of times people will hire someone because they heard through the grapevine, someone's cousin's uncle, use this person.They had a good experience. Well, they might not be the right person for you. So just like, keep checking in with your gut. And like having some grace in recognizing it's going to be really hard. Just bring yourself back to center to remind yourself this is still the right decision, even if it's hard. And you get that right support around you outside of the court, inside the court, um, and everything in between.And just keep like your eye on the prize and recognizing like, this is just a moment. It's a moment. It might last a while, it might last a year, but it's a moment and there will be a time when you'll start to feel really, really good about your decision. Lesley Logan: Yeah. I, I love that you said find a tribe. I think, um, because it might not be your friends and family, cuz there's, [00:29:00] it's like telling a coworker you're gonna leave a job.Even that's like, they're gonna be like, oh, should you be doing that? Well, what about your vacation? Yeah. What about this? And it's, and they're projecting their fear of for themselves about the change in the life that you leaving is going to make. And so they might not be the best people to, to talk to cuz they may, unfortunately, with all the love in the world, say the wrong thing.And, and then you're gonna feel more alone and more like you're doing the wrong thing. Yeah. Or more that you're crazy. And so I, I do think it's important to find people who, who can't do that. And also, you know, when I left my ex, when I had met him, I had just moved to LA so all of my friends were his friends.The other friends I had were like clo like acquaintances from work, but like they were all his friends. So when we, when I, when I left, like I lost everything, all the friends house, and then I totaled my car leaving. So that was its own thing. So I was like, okay, Jesus, take the wheel. Just take whatever, whatever I'm not supposed to have, just get rid of it all cuz I don't really wanna, I don't wanna [00:30:00] go through this anymore.And, um, But I was so grateful cuz I had this one friend who was introduced to me. That person did not, I did not, I only met her one time while I was with him, so she had no idea who I was then. So we just became these like best friends for a summer and she got me to the other side of that whole transition.Um, and she's also one that introduced me to Brad. So it was like a very interesting. Interesting person to have in my life, but I don't think, um, it would've been, I would've felt the same and come out the same and look back 10 years later and go, that was the fucking best thing I ever went through. Thank goodness I went through that.Renee Bauer: Yeah, I, you know, for me it was, um, I had the same thing because all, none of all of my friends were my ex's friends, so I really had like maybe one or two people in the state and I wasn't super close to them. I decide to sign up for yoga. I'm like, I'm gonna do yoga and I'm gonna show up and, and let me tell you, every time I thought to myself, every time I don't have my son when I'm miserable and when I'm like, so sad, I'm gonna go to yoga because I'm gonna fill that time.I was like putting a bandaid over it. [00:31:00] But I started to enjoy it. I started to actually get to know the community of women who went there. Then I started to do things with them outside of the studio, and I showed up even when I didn't want to. Like there were, there was a Saturday morning, I woke up. I was like sitting there over my coffee crying.I did not wanna go. I'm like, You're either gonna sit here all day and feel bad for yourself, or you gonna put some leggings on and you're gonna go to yoga and you'll probably feel better at the end. So it was like I kept forcing myself to do those things even though I didn't want to. And it made all the difference because they really became a, a group of friends during that time that I needed to, to get, get me outside of my own head out of my house.You know? So, and, and I think that's the one thing too, is just like make force yourself to put yourself in new surroundings with new people. Well, and as you're saying Lesley Logan: that, what I like I basically heard is like you're kinda like being at till you see, you're putting yourself into a space. Yeah. Where you could be the woman you wanted to be without all that negativity going on.And then you can meet people and they would get to know the Renee that you wanted people to know. And [00:32:00] so there was like this really be like, you had this like safe haven, this island. And I think like, you know, there. No matter how much money or little money you have in every community, there are community classes, there are donation only classes.There's just different things, and so, you know, try to find. Different ways that you can have a, a new tribe to meet new people and put yourself And I know for the introverts I know, I hear you. I know Renee Bauer: I'm an introvert. Yeah. So I like, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Lesley Logan: The good news is, is you don't have to talk to people during class.It's just before and after. Yeah. Um, okay. I wanna talk about what you're doing now because, um, I feel like, uh, like. When you transition to something new, and it's not like you're leaving what you're doing, but you're adding this new amazing thing. There is another element of like being, until you see it like you are the top of your game over here and now you're like starting this whole thing over here.And so how has that been going? What are you ex the most excited about right now? Renee Bauer: I love that, that, um, so, you know, imposter syndrome is a real thing and you could look at [00:33:00] someone and be like, oh, they're doing all the things and they're successful and it still sneaks in. So yeah, it's. It's le it's starting a new thing, a new company, and you start from the ground.And it's exciting though. It's like filled with possibility. Um, I don't, you know, doing it without expectation attached to it is kind of amazing too. It should be like, I'm gonna just follow what feels really good and what feels aligned and see where it brings me. So the She Who Wins, uh, summit is a live event that I created last year.Didn't know who was gonna show up. Wasn't even sure. Like I thought that I was gonna have to like, beg people to come and fill the seats. And we ended up selling out. Um, and we're doing it again in 2023 on April 29th at Mohegan Sun Casinos. So, um, it's all about coming together and being in the room together because some of the most impactful things that I've ever done is when I put myself in the room mm-hmm.And connected with other women. Women who are doing really awesome things and like authentically make, I mean, look at how you and [00:34:00] I met. Is we connected by putting ourselves in the room? Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like, it's amazing, like what you can learn from other people and that's, that was the inspiration behind it is like, let's hear from people who are doing incredible things.Let's bring them all together. Let's have some fun. It's not just education, it's some entertainment. It's, you know, getting up in some movement and be inspired and motivated, but also walk away with some actionable items that you can immediately implement in your life. Lesley Logan: I love this. I couldn't agree more and, and.You the, we were in a, in a, an awesome small. And what was so fun about our in-person is that I was, when you asked who you I, who you wanted, like we wanted more amazing women in your life. And I was like, oh, can you talk to Karine? Which Kareem was on our show, um, in the beginning. And you're like, I just met Karine.And so fu what's a really crazy and amazing is when you do put yourself in amazing spaces, you start to meet. People who know similar people and you end up very quickly in a really awesome group of people with shared, shared experiences, shared values, shared wants and [00:35:00] dreams, and then you start to propel each other forward.And the only reason I met Kareen is cuz I put myself in another room that I really didn't wanna go to. I almost like got sold my ticket. I was like, I don't really need to go to this thing. And I went Any. Anyways, and it was the best, the best thing it could have ever. The, the, the reason we're listening to this podcast is because of these rooms that I put myself in, where I was like, I got myself into place where I'm like, oh, I could do that.Oh, this is how I could do it. And I could, um, I could see those things. And too often we, we wait until we're ready or until the stars align or tell. Everything is figured out before we put ourself in a space where we would say, I don't know how to do this thing. And like the rooms that we have, we've met in, it's like, I have this problem and I don't know how to solve it.And that is so much vulnerability. And immediately you have connection with other people, Renee Bauer: and I think women are afraid in general to ask for help. And, you know, we, we take all of this stuff on and we try to balance it all. And we, we, we think that we can figure it out on ourselves. We don't want to burden other people.And there's so many [00:36:00] amazing people who want to help. And it's like, it's incredible when like, like I've learned to ask for help for things and. When I reach out to someone and be like, Hey, I need help with something, I immediately, the response is like, oh yeah. Like absolutely I can, I can send you this, or I can make this introduction like we want.So when you're surrounding yourselves with people who genuinely want to help you, like it's amazing because you never feel alone in this journey. Yeah. Lesley Logan: Yeah, I, I, I wish we, um, I would love to figure out what it is that we were taught when we were younger. Like cuz all, obviously we all got a message that, that we're not supposed to ask for help cuz it's gonna look like we don't, like we are, don't know what we're doing.Um, but it is, it is so true. Like the people I find that. All of my friends want, have, want to help. They want, like anyone you'll meet wants to be part of whatever you're creating. People want to be supportive, but we are so, we are like, I gotta do it all on my own. Like the be like, it doesn't matter unless I did it myself.Renee Bauer: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I have, I have like a story of that trying to get into college, get into [00:37:00] law school, and it was someone who knew someone who could help me get into the school. I'm like, no, I don't want the introduction. I'm gonna do it on my. Oh, you know, and then when the rejection rolled in, I was like, oh shit.You know, maybe I should have asked for the help. But yeah, I don't know where it comes from, but that's how, that's how I always felt. It was like, I'm not strong enough, or it doesn't, it's not, it doesn't matter or it's not an achievement. Yeah. If I have to actually ask someone to assist me. Lesley Logan: Yeah, it's, um, yeah, that's just, it's, it's so funny.So ladies, everything you need to hear is like, ask for help because people actually wanna help you. And also it does, it's not a reflection on you that you like, no one is like, oh, that person she asked for help. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Renee Bauer: and you know what, and being so vulnerable about it too. Like now I'll just be like, I have a problem and here's what it is.And like, I don't care. Like, it doesn't mean that, oh, she's not as successful because she has a problem with this thing and needs, needs help. Like, no, let's not. I think that's something that, that we, cause if someone comes to me and says, Hey, I have something, can you help me with it? I don't [00:38:00] look at them and be like, huh, who are they?Like they're not, you know, they're not a successful person cuz they're asking, so why are we doing that to ourselves? Lesley Logan: Yeah. Yeah. I think the more we can start to treat ourselves the way we treat other people in all ways, I think we'll actually get a lot farther. So you're writing a book. Um, has that been a fun process?Is it been an enjoyable process? Is it like a whole new experience? Like what's it, what's it been Renee Bauer: like? Um, so I'm a writer before I am anything else? I've been writing for a really long time, just. Of even being a kid. So that was, uh, that was such a joyful process. I mean, that was, and as I started to write, I, you know, that was a journey too.It's kind of interesting cause I wrote a number of chapters and I looked back at it and I'm like, this is very surface level. It's not, uh, it's not deep enough. And I said, you know, in order to like really connect, I'm like, I think I need to like, kind of pour my heart and soul and vulnerability onto these pages.And I scrapped those chapters and said, let me start again. And let me talk about things that I've never shared before. [00:39:00] Um, so it was almost like a healing session for me cuz I thought there were things that came up that I thought were completely healed. And I'm like, oh, body image issues and weight issues and stuff like that.And all of a sudden I'm bringing up memories as I'm writing from, like when I was a kid, I'm like, where the hell did that come from? Like, I thought that that was all tucked away and dealt with. So the writing journey has been, Absolutely beautiful. The book comes out on September 5th, 2023 by Iran Publishing.Um, I'm so excited to share it with the world because it just, it like is so near and dear to, to me and Lesley Logan: oh my gosh, I can't wait for it to come out. We'll have to make sure our peeps, um, all know it's coming out because, um, it's. You're the, when you one, if you love writing, then like it's going to come across on the page.But also to be so vulnerable and to actually go deep, that is going to change it. Cuz so many books I've, I've read, I'm like, well this is great. Yeah, this is nice, this is good wallpaper. Um, but Renee Bauer: like, we don't want wall. But I find that the Lesley Logan: books that like I talk about so much are the [00:40:00] ones where I can tell the author shared in such a vulnerable way that I'm like, I can see myself, I can feel myself, I can understand it, you know, so, um, a, a recent book I read was Meta Apocalypse, and I wanna get her on the show, but like, she was so vulnerable about her story and her journey of perimenopause that I like, I actually felt like I could be in the, like, I could actually understand what she was talking about in a way I could feel it in my body and like, You know, that's another thing that I think we can, can be so hard.It's like, I don't wanna share everything because then people will know all the things. So it's like most people have gone through what you're going through and they just wanna feel seen. So if you actually just share all those dark, dirty stories that you've, you've put those labels on that are actually just experiences that you had that made you who you are, you'll have more people who are like, oh my gosh, like you've, no, you've made me feel so seen.I get you, you know? Yeah. Renee Bauer: Yeah. Yeah. And that, and that was the, the reason behind it. That was the reason behind the stories. Cuz the book isn't about me, it's just, it's moments, it's stories, it's just, uh, that tie into what we're talking about in that chapter. But it's [00:41:00] not my life story. I'm not telling you my journey from childhood to adulthood, but it's these moments that were so difficult for me and caused so much pain.Or joy moments of joy too, and laughter and stupidity. Um, stories and like some stupid things that I've done that I've been so embarrassed about. And it's like, it's the humanity of it. Mm-hmm. So if someone can read that and say, oh, I had, I didn't have that experience, but I had that similar feeling and I experienced something that, you know, was my own version of it, then, you know, I, I did my job as a writer.Yeah. And, and ultimately that's just it. I wanna move people emotionally. Lesley Logan: Yeah. Ugh. Well, I can't wait to announce, um, to our peeps when your book is ready to be purchased and all of those things. Um, Renee, we're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you, and you'll be at action Night at school.Okay, Renee, where do you like to hang out? We know TikTok, but what are your handles? Renee Bauer: I, I actually don't like TikTok, so don't go over there. Um, Instagram's kind of my favorite, favorite place. It's at Ms. Renee Bauer, so I'm always in there responding to dms. Lesley Logan: [00:42:00] And you have a podcast. She who wins. I do. Yep. On all major platforms.Awesome. So wherever you listen to this, you guys, you can listen to that. Um, I was on that, uh, on one of the episodes and I know some of my other dear friends, but on this, so you have to go, uh, do a little binge listen, so, okay. Bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it.Renee Bauer: Yeah, so I'm bringing it back to Money. Ladies know your money. Don't be afraid to talk about money, to dig into it, to ask for it, to ask for the raise to, uh, to understand how it's serving you or how it's not serving you. And I think if we're talking about like one action item is like, treat yourself like you are the c f O of your life.Treat yourself as if you are your own business. Don't let it money rule you. You take control of it. And because that is the, it's so powerful. It gives you the courage to do things. It gives you the courage to walk away from things that aren't serving you. So don't be afraid to get really up close and personal with your money relationship.[00:43:00] Lesley Logan: Mm. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I love that so much. Brene, this is amazing. We'll have to have you back. Um, thank you so much for being you and being here. Everyone. How are we going to use these tips in your life? Let us know. Tag the be it pod tag, Ms. Renee Bauer. And until next time, be it till you see it. That's all I got for this episode of the Be Until You See a Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram.I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others be it till you see it. Have an awesome day. Be it till You see. It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell: It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Leslie Logan and me, Brad Kroll.Lesley Logan: It is produced, edited by the Epic team at Deeno. Our Brad Crowell: theme music is by Ali at Apex Production [00:44:00] Music, and our branding by designer and artist John Franco Trophy. Lesley Logan: Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Samina Velazquez for our transcriptions. Brad Crowell: Also to Angelina Harko for adding all the content to our website.And finally to Meredith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this heartening episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast, listeners can explore the power of a Be It mindset and the significance of a supportive community. Lesley Logan shares inspiring stories of personal and community achievements, highlighting the importance of acknowledging daily wins to build confidence and drive success.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipWaitlist for the flashcards deckUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:[00:00:00] It's Fuck Yeah Friday. ...(Brad: Fuck Yeah) Get ready for some wins.Lesley Logan: Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear.Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.All right. Welcome back Be It babes to another F Y F, Fuck Yeah Friday. So we do these to celebrate your wins, to celebrate the wins of the people in our communities who are also amazing listeners like yourself, and to celebrate [00:01:00] a win of ours, so that we can inspire you to see all the positivity that is happening in your life, all the operations that are happening.So I'm gonna kick this off with actually somebody who is in our agency group, Caylee, and she had left a post in the I Need A Moment channel, and we have a rule in all of our communities. If you ever need to vent, you can, but you must immediately go and celebrate something in the Wins channel because it's important that you leave on a high note.So, um, so Caylee said, coming from I Need A Moment, we made a thousand dollars more in March than we did in February, and that was our highest month ever since we opened. So We made a thousand dollars more in March than we did in February and it was our highest month since we opened so close to eating five figures this month. That is humongous Kaleigh. So yes, crap happens, but then like if you didn't take a moment to realize what good is happening, you wouldn't be able to celebrate.Like you did a thousand more in March than you did in February, and you're actually really getting close to five figures a month. Like that is a humongous win. [00:02:00] So way to go Caylee. Way to celebrate what you are doing. That's awesome. And then we have, um, Rael, um, she is actually one of our Elevate, um, alumnis and, uh, an an agency member.And she wrote FYF I went to the local chamber event yesterday with a Be It mindset, although I didn't feel ready. She has no website, no business cards. I didn't let that stop me. Um, I, and, and networking isn't the worst thing. Um, she went to a couple events this week where she shared what she does and how she does it, and how she helps people and three people express interest.It's helping her feel more confident sharing about her business, and people can decide if that aligns with them, but if I don't tell people, I won't be able to help them. Boom. That is exactly right, Rael. Thank you so much Rael and Caylee for sharing your wins with us this week. Uh, I'm just really proud of what you're doing.You're doing things scared. You're taking the messy action. You're not waiting until you're ready and you're also not letting the bad things keep you from recognizing what the good things are. So I hope their wins have inspired you to celebrate one [00:03:00] today, and you can tag the Be It Pod so that we can see what you're up to, celebrate you as well and share it on our next F Y F.All right, my win. Okay. This is a team win. I'm gonna be really honest. Um, but we just launched the O P C app. And, it launched last week on Pilate's Day. And to be honest, this is like truly, uh, just, it's a dream that I thought would be years in the making. I really, every time we'd searched for apps to be built, um, because of the hall of the things that we have to do, it was like we're talking to $30.000 or $40,000, which if you ever like built a kitchen, you know that the budget says five, but you really are gonna spend 10 or whatever it is.So even though they're like, it's $30,000, which doesn't sound like a lot, but it is a lot, I mean it's a fucking ton. Uh, but I was like, oh, it'll be an app people can use. But I was like, well, what if it's cost more and what if it doesn't work? And all these things. And so we just kept putting on the back burner thinking we'd have to wait till we had more members till, I don't know, magic flew from the sky.And actually somebody [00:04:00] magical did come in, not from the sky, but into our inbox, and he helped us create an app for O P C. You don't have to be a member to use. Anyone can use it. You can go download it today, either on the Google Play or the Apple App Store. And, um, it allows you to watch our tutorials. It allows our community members to chat with each other in the community.It allows people to take classes. You can listen to the podcast in the app. Um, It's just really, really awesome. So there is a version for you if you're not a member, that you can go in there and use. And there's a bunch of free content, free tutorials, like thousands that you can play with. And then there's obviously if you're a member, you log in and you can access all your stuff as a member.But this win, um, I'm so freaking stoked for it. Not just because yay, we have an app and here's my promotion. But really, um, the team did such an incredible job working so hard to allow this to happen as fast as possible. Um, It was not on our timeline for this year, so it was not in the schedule or the budget this year.And, um, the team really came together to make this happen. And I share that as a [00:05:00] win for the whole team because I'm just so freaking stoked, um, that we're a family and we're all on this mission together of more bodies doing Pilates. And so thank you to all of you. You as a listener, you as a member, whatever capacity you engage with us in, you need to know that you were part of this APP being built and now more people all over the world can access these tutorials, access our classes and our mission of more bodies doing Pilates. So that's why I win this week. What's yours? We wanna hear it. Tag the Be It pod. Um, so we can share that in our future FYF episode. And remember, you can celebrate a win every single day because this is how you actually recognize that you're doing a freaking good job. You're doing a much better job than you give yourself credit for. And I bet you if your friends were to tell me what your wins are, they could, they could talk nonstop about you. So you need to seal one of those and celebrate yourself a little bit more.Thank you. Have an amazing day, and Be It Till You See It That's all I got for this episode of the Be Until You See a Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future [00:06:00] listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram.I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others be it till you see it. Have an awesome day. Be it till You see. It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell: It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Leslie Logan and me, Brad Kroll.Lesley Logan: It is produced, edited by the Epic team at Deeno. Our Brad Crowell: theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist John Franco Trophy. Lesley Logan: Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Samina Velazquez for our transcriptions. Brad Crowell: Also to Angelina Harko for adding all the content to our website.And finally to Meredith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this episode we talk to professional dancer Anders Deeno and we talk about his athlete mentallity and how he is collecting his championship rings in the dance industry. A podcast bringing you inside the minds of the industry professionals and showing you the ins and outs of entertainment. Hosted by Kane Silver Produced by Jake Gibson Instagram @mrballchange @gibson_media_ @theinsandoutspodcast @andersdeeno

In this episode we talk to professional dancer Anders Deeno and we talk about his athlete mentallity and how he is collecting his championship rings in the dance industry. A podcast bringing you inside the minds of the industry professionals and showing you the ins and outs of entertainment. Hosted by Kane Silver Produced by Jake Gibson Instagram @mrballchange @gibson_media_ @theinsandoutspodcast @andersdeeno

Yo and welcome to episode 197! This week we talk about new music from Money Bag Yo, J.Cole and Y.G as well as New Nicky and Lil Baby. As well as Ambition Hour fam Deeno and Joh Fifth. We also talk about the Havoc and Styles interview on Drink Champs as well as the show Audi went too. We also do a Power type rundown (the og power not the new one, we not up to date) We also talk about breaking generational curses and honor our favorites for Black History Month. There is always more so make sure to tune in! Links to where you can listen to us: linktr.ee/ambitionhour Make sure to check us out on socials: @AmbitionHour @ClaudiaRenee__ (Two underscores) @Jav600 Executive produced by: Jav and Claudia Audio Visual: Jav Engineered by: Jav Color Corrected by: Claudia

I would consider the times we are living in to be relatively "tough times". In tough times like this lives are lost and what we do under that pressure is what defines our character forever. On today's show I brought on two talented artists John Fifth and Deeno. They've been investing and working hard in the music industry for years now and it all started out of a little old ladies apartment. Unfortunately Deeno lost his beloved grandmother Bonia during Covid. As hard as this may be for him instead of feeling helpless and useless him and John decided to dedicate an entire Album filled with emotions of betrayal, work ethic, and open mindedness. They went back to their roots back to their struggles and focused on creating a sound so "AUTHENTIC" it would help others relate to their hard times. I watched John work in the Kitchen to quitting and working at studio's, free-styling on shows, and I'm happy my brother can finally make an appearance on the SHOW! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/george-mora/support

Yooo and Welcome to episode 185!! This week we share 9 Tips for a Safe Night Out (Alone or in a Group). Going back to the gym. Audi's First impression of 777 by Silk Sonic. Thinking that the 777 song was going to be about angel numbers. The healthy relationship that tv show My Wife and Kids showcased on TV and the unfortunate cliffhanger that they left us with. Meditating in an open space. Day 16 of both books Audi is reading, being one with the earth and November being one of the best months in Miami weather. Breaking habits and getting rid of the negative energy in your life and filling it with positive energy. An Insecure recap and more! Songs featured in todays episode: Forever Live x Killa K feat Ice Billion Berg: https://youtu.be/A2hJnBXc-RA Information x Beautiful Detta: https://youtu.be/neLs2UkZ2uU Jada Pink x John Fifth and Deeno: https://youtu.be/B7LXhGKhZnc 777 x Silk Sonic: https://youtu.be/MfpFNRO_hGY US-1 King Tetrus: https://youtu.be/Q2Jog5CxxUU Transitions x Ashton Martin: https://youtu.be/DCvBHZHMs0Q Links to where you can listen to us: linktr.ee/ambitionhour Make sure to check us out on socials: @AmbitionHour @ClaudiaRenee__ (Two underscores) Executive produced by: Claudia Engineered by: Claudia

Welcome to Street Monstaz Radio (Season 2) - Presented By - iFMRadio Nation! Tonight we're heading to Charlotte to sit down with Deeno WithDaScope Show starts at 9pm (EDT) Call in 515-605-9898 To get your music spun live on Street Monstaz Radio  ((Email)) TheOfficialSpitSumRadio@gmail.com  ((Subject)) "Radio Submission" To learn more about our brand visit our website at https://www.ifm-radio.com/

This week the boys discuss the scandal in Landover, why they don’t have a team name yet, some orioles baseball, Nick Markakis makes the list, an Austin Hays bobble head, Lamar Jackson’s 94 rating and yes an introduction to Cheese Bin Deeno.

"I paid my dues to be here" - Anders Deeno is a Danish dancer who moved to London and is working in the commercial dance scene. He is currently dancing behind Little Mix on their tour and has been booked for Kylie Minogue among others. In this interview, we are diving behind the scenes and learning what it means to be a male background dancer in the industry. Anders Deeno is sharing everything from the proudest moments, how he is booking the gigs and funniest tour memories. We apologize for partly bad sound quality in parts of this interview. Still learning, thanks for understanding. 

Guest: Caitie Strong, University of Alberta Paleontology graduate student & was responsible for organizing the contest. 

In this episode of The ALPHA Podcast: Sierra Leone Edition, Alpha is joined by a Freetown artist Deeno Jay. He is a multitalented Sierra Leonean Singer, Song Writer, Producer, and Dancer. They discussed all of his musical attributes and the reason for non global success with Sierra Leone music. On OH NAH THEY GETTIN' SPICY, he shares a freestyle for the fans. How big is Jamaican influence in Sierra Leone? Is Jamaican's broken english the same as Sierra Leones broken english? What does it take to be an artist in Africa? Who is Deeno Jay? Find out now❗️ Tune in❗️ Take A SHOT

Diese Folge reden wir mit Deeno und Jeeza über ihre Erfolgsgeschichte im Rapgame. Wie zwei Jungs, die sich Anfangs nicht mochten, zu einem Team wurden und es innerhalb von zwei Jahren schafften, bei einem Record Label unter Vertrag zu kommen, erfahrt ihr in dieser Folge. Instagram: @Jeeza @Deeno

Welcome Kings and Queens to episode 100! This week we had the pleasure of doing a two part special for you guys! This first part we brought One of Audi’s best friends Mari Sunshine to start the episode off! We spoke on what we are grateful for and caught up on the week and Mari’s wedding. Then after 100 episodes we got Deeno back which was our first guest ever!!!! And a special guest that has been LONG over due Retro, we spoke on our favorite projects this past decade, what’s new in their lives, if they would parent the same way they were parented their biggest flex of this decade and so much more!

Vi har lyttet til jeres feedback og... We're back! Men endu bedre lyd og med et kortere og mere kontant program. I program 2 taler vi om mind-set og om hvordan troen kan flytte bjerge, hvis man tror hårdt nok! Derudover kan du også høre om hvordan det er, at være på turné med Kylie Minogue og om... Kæledyr... Ja... kæledyr

A conversation with Professional Dancer Anders Deeno. Anders tells us about his journey and some of the struggles and sacrafices it takes to achieve your dream. He also tells us why his biggest inspiration is himself. Anders is currently on tour with Kylie Minougue and is one of the most established commercial dancers in the UK. A podcast bringing you inside the minds of the industry professionals and showing you the ins and outs of entertainment. Hosted by Kane Silver Instagram @theinsandouts_ @mrballchange @andersdeeno Facebook @theinsandoutspodcast Twitter @theinsandouts Snapchat @theinsandouts

A conversation with Professional Dancer Anders Deeno. Anders tells us about his journey and some of the struggles and sacrafices it takes to achieve your dream. He also tells us why his biggest inspiration is himself. Anders is currently on tour with Kylie Minougue and is one of the most established commercial dancers in the UK. A podcast bringing you inside the minds of the industry professionals and showing you the ins and outs of entertainment. Hosted by Kane Silver Instagram @theinsandouts_ @mrballchange @andersdeeno Facebook @theinsandoutspodcast Twitter @theinsandouts Snapchat @theinsandouts

Worth the Wait Saturday’s Presents The Ambition Hour with Audi 3000 -PREMIERE EPISODE- Full Interview with Deeno, a Hip Hop Artist that has dope rhyming Skills with instrumentals that let you know he’s from New York but verses that express his love for Miami- West Kendall specifically. AuDii 300 digs into where his love for music came, his family, and what inspires him. —FULL AUDIO available on SoundCloud—                     —WTW RADIO— Check out his NEW MUSIC https://youtu.be/kDEmolltWjw Follow his YOUTUBE DEENO DEENO

As promised, Keep It Ashy Part 2 with Deeno Snuff. Snuff gives us his takes on the keys to maintaining a strong fan base, artists critiques, social media helping or hurting artist, sneaking on stage, and is this the last Ashy L Bowz LP? Get "No Lotion 3: Studio 54" here - http://ashylbowz.bandcamp.com Visit Us - http://OccupyABarStool.com Get Your Hands On A Mighty Mug: http://themightymug.com Subscribe, Rate, & Review Us On iTunes: http://bit.ly/HHRNiTunes Subscribe & Comment On SoundCloud: http://bit.ly/HHRNSC Subscribe & Comment On Stitcher Radio: http://bit.ly/HHRstitcher Like Our FaceBook Page: http://bit.ly/HHRfbp Follow Us On Twitter: @FatLiverJones - @LifesABeer Follow us On IG: @FatLiverJones - @OccupyABarStool Send Us Your Comments And Slander: occupyabarstool@gmail.com

Dr. Dino sits on the couch to talk about all things baby and the journey that took a side road through Emergency C-Sectionville, but ended (or should we say, ‘began’ … eh eh) with an awesome little guy named “Myles.”

John Hohensee a.k.a. John Field is indeed the Reality King of Social Justice. Listen as we navigate the moral margins of porn and social activism, and discuss the intentional erratic non-sequiturs that make his comedy, his comedy … America!

Ross Martin is a hard working comedian. Join us on the couch as we have a heart-to-heart about taboo jokes, religion and his experience with cancer. Also, learn Ross’ secrets to starting an open mike room.

Sitting on the couch this week, Connecticuter and Comedian, Alicia Reese breaks down clean comedy, shares her experience as a comedy apprentice, and we learn Dr. Dino once inspired a character on a soap opera.

Fresh off a red-eye from LA, comedian, filmmaker, podcaster, Tom Feeney discusses comedy etiquette and Dr. Dino tackles his inner demons. We go deep. So deep. We put your something to sleep. What is it? Line!

Comedian Adam Murray is laid back, really laid back. Listen in as we chat about first times, Adam’s start in comedy, and finding himself and his emotions in comedy.

Comedian Carmen Morales joins us on the couch with her introspection, inner-child, and a strong shot of B12. The conversation touches on making material personal, mental health and being a road comic.

Long story short, comedian Pedro Lima sits on the couch for the first ever - two hour - fifty minute session. Topics include Pedro’s start in comedy, how family modeling structures our personality and how Pedro restructured someone’s orbital bone.

Comedian Clayton Anderson waxes philosophical about society, the human condition and the beginning of his comedy career.

Dr. Dino and Mr. Quinn, Jr. reintroduce themselves to listeners in this first episode of season 2 for Open Miked. The boys play catch up and reveal what’s been going on during their hiatus. They also take time to thank the people who’ve supported them.

Broken Lizard member Erik Stolhanske talks about his new movie RockBarnes: The Emperor in You at the 2012 Orlando Film Festival. We also discuss horror films, dream analysis, and The Secret.

Heart of Darkness creator Greg Barris and Artist/Musician Dimitri Drjuchin sit on the couch and discuss barking for comedy clubs, self-actualization, and the dilution of creativity. Also, Mike reveals that he has synesthesia.

Alex Luchen chills on the couch in an unorthodox format of Open Miked. Unorthodox in that we don’t talk about comedy, but do talk about everything else. Listen in for a fun conversation and find out what happened to each of us the first time we got drunk.

Ken Miller has been referred to as The Godfather of Orlando Comedy. He’s an actual father as well and joins us for our milestone 20th episode! We discuss open mic do’s and don’t's, urban comedy, and family.

Jacob Galang feels isolated from his own generation. We address that feeling on air as well as share a poignant conversation regarding comedy cliques, dualistic thinking, alternative comedy and learn of his connection to Adam Sandler.

Morgan Filteau joins us on the couch for a fun conversation where we discuss half naked roommates, the online dating scene, and what it’s like being a female comedian.

Irv Anthony doesn’t pull any punches when it comes to doing stand-up comedy. Listen in as he discusses breaking through the walls of life, and his passion for the craft. Also we break the dirty underwear barrier.

Nick Pupo storms onto the couch in this thrilling episode of Open Miked. He chats us up about audiences, giving advice and his penchant for musical trouser pastries. Ready your ears.

In this revealing conversation, the very funny Akeem Woods shares how being adopted, growing up poor and facing adversity fuels his comedy. We also find out if three racist jokes are better than two.

We talk to Preacher Lawson about the "C" word and no, we're not talking about being "clean." He reveals the origin of his name and shares with us his path to becoming a feature act.

Blogger/Comedian/Stand-up Dog Stand-in Adam Avitable sits down on the couch to talk about his self-diagnosed Narcissistic Personality Disorder, his interviews with dead celebrities, and shares with us one of his biggest comedy pet-peeves.

Mike Charette holds himself accountable for his actions whether it’s bombing on stage, getting fired, or losing a relationship. Listen to Mike expand upon these insights, recount his conversation with comedian Bobby Lee, and tell us how to meet Dane Cook.

Kirk Bonacci stretches out on the couch and tells us about the L.A. comedy scene as well as of his roots in improv comedy. Also, find out if we call Child Protective Services regarding Kirk's Tamagotchi parenting? Listen in!

Matt Gersting gets insightful on the couch in a self-reflective conversation. Also, find out what happens when Matt plays poker with David Cross and Ira Glass. This weeks episode is entitled - Easy Queasy

Local comedian Ross McCoy (also from "A Mediocre Time with Tom and Dan") shares with us the secret to his inner strength: validation.

Ruben Mercado joins the couch today and shares how his hero Bruce Lee helped influence the way he enters the mindset of street fighter and zen master before each performance.

Tim Murphy breaks down the subtle differences between his very distinguishable laugh as well as discusses Cadillacs and Strip Clubs on today’s Open Miked!

This week on the couch is the multi-talented Rauce Padgett. We rap about comedy, bombing on stage, and living in the ghetto. In addition, we actually rap... err.. freestyle... err... cypher, regardless ch-check it out!

This week, Clay Robertson joins us on the couch and discusses the zig zag nature of constructing jokes, as well as, his purposeful “unquiet mind” following his comedy sets. Also, find out what all of our favorite movies are!

Mark Viola stops by the couch and talks shop about the kind of material he likes to give his audiences and shares with us why he doesn't discuss politics or religion in his sets despite having a college degree making him more than capable of doing so.

This week Larry Fulford sits on the Open Miked couch. What do three guys who've never seen the Godfather movies talk about? Everything! Including honesty in comedy. Listen in!

Luke Swiderski sits on the couch and talks about his experience starting out in the world of open mic comedy and shares a few does and don'ts as your hosts parallel that experience in their first interview!