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This week we catch up with Amanda Nauman to discuss all things gravel. We touch on the Mammoth Tuff gravel race, Tuff Camps and how to continue to invite women into the sport.  Amanda is an OG in the sport and friend of the pod which made for a super enjoyable conversation.  Tuff Ventures Website Support the Podcast Join The Ridership  Automated Transcription, please excuse the typos: [00:00:00] Craig Dalton: Hello, and welcome to the gravel ride podcast, where we go deep on the sport of gravel cycling through in-depth interviews with product designers, event organizers and athletes. Who are pioneering the sport I'm your host, Craig Dalton, a lifelong cyclist who discovered gravel cycling back in 2016 and made all the mistakes you don't need to make. I approach each episode as a beginner down, unlock all the knowledge you need to become a great gravel cyclist. This week on the podcast, I'm super stoked to invite back. Amanda Naaman. Amanda is a big time friend of the pod. A podcast or herself as the co-host of the grody. Podcast. A very accomplished off-road athlete. With notable wins twice. At Unbound 200. Five times at the rock cobbler, . We touch on rock cobbler this year, and some of the help she provided Sam aims with inviting and encouraging more female athletes to toe the line at this year's rock cobbler event. She and Dave Sheik are also the co-founders of the mammoth tough event in mammoth, California, which occurs in September. Each year She's a member of the gravel cycling hall of fame advisory board. And according to her. She's Walter, the dog's favorite. I'm not going to get into that domestic squabble, but we'll leave it at that. I'm excited to bring you a followup conversation with our friend, Amanda Naaman. Hi, Craig. How are you? I am doing great. It's so good [00:01:32] Amanda Nauman: to see you. Yeah, likewise. I'm excited. What, almost two and a half years [00:01:36] Craig Dalton: later. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, the funny thing about our first recording I was recalling, we were doing an Instagram live at the same time. It was back when everybody was trying to figure out Instagram Live, so we were doing that. And recording our conversation and I ultimately posted it to the podcast Feed . [00:01:54] Amanda Nauman: Nice, nice. . [00:01:56] Craig Dalton: What am I sort of, I would say to the failed endeavor into Instagram Live. It's not something I, I jam on. I'm much more comfortable in the podcast format where I can just talk to people and publish it later. [00:02:08] Amanda Nauman: Yeah. Yeah. No, it's hard and distracting. You get all the messages, you're like, what? What is that question? ? . [00:02:14] Craig Dalton: I feel like we have so much ground to cover. We were chatting a little bit offline, but I, I thought what would be an interesting place to start knowing you participated in the Lifetime Grand Prix in in 2020 2, 20 22. I just wanted to get your kind of overall perceptions as someone who's been around gravel racing for many years with that structure of your season. infused onto your life. H uh, how did it go and what were your thoughts on the, the lifetime Grand Prix in general? [00:02:42] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, I signed up probably on the last day that was possible to turn in the applications that, um, winter before, cuz I really contemplated whether or not it was something that I wanted to do for a while cuz I knew. You know, I had done Unbound Excel. They had put Leadville on the list for the Grand Prix, and I was like, man, I've always wanted to do Leadville. I can kind of shape my calendar around the rest of the series as well. So ultimately I decided to sign up for it knowing, you know, it's kind of a shoe-in to Leadville, which is one thing I had always wanted to do. And at the same time, I get to do some gravel and some other mountain bike races that I hadn't necessarily done before. So I was very optimistic and excited about the Grand Prix last. . It didn't necessarily go how I had planned or anticipated, but uh, yeah, I think what they have created in the series and the opportunities for athletes to go race that, I think it's a great, a great thing and great structure for a lot of people, but it wasn't necessarily, let's say, the right fit for me last year. [00:03:44] Craig Dalton: Did that make sense? I mean, just for the listener's sake, like if you go back a few years before that as a gravel racer, how would you go about picking your Cal. [00:03:53] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, I mean, there's just some of the marquee events that. I would've picked, you know, in 2019, like for sure rock cobbler, mid-South Belgian waffle ride San Diego. And then you'd go into Unbound, like for I think a California racer. That was sort of the way you would go. And then as summer happened, you know, you could pick and choose events. S B T I think was a was happening at that time. So it was a good summer. One gravel worlds. And then R P I. Was kind of sort of a season ender a little bit before you hit fall, and some people would race cycle lacrosse and whatnot. So that was kind of the loose structure, I think, at least in 2019. And then 20 20, 20 21, everything kind of changed and there was a big reevaluation of what was important in terms of picking events, going to events or not , and then, Yeah, in 2022, everybody had the opportunity to apply for the Grand Prix, so that changed things. But beforehand it was sort of what events were some of the big names going to, which ones had the most prestige, and, and if you were looking for sponsorship and stuff, you wanted to make sure you were at an event where there's enough competition there to show that let's say your results are are worth not. [00:05:11] Craig Dalton: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. It's so interesting to think, like, think of it from the professional athlete's perspective, going back prior to the existence of the Grand Prix, just the flexibility to kind of go do whatever you wanted and whatever was exciting to you. And then to see athletes be, uh, forced because as you said, this amazing opportunity and I think the Grand Prix. Fits so many people's needs right now. It does exclude certain events and it certainly does drive your calendar and just looking at it from the outside and maybe talking to a few athletes along the way, there's definitely an increased stress when you've, you've got this season long endeavor that you're pursuing and you're trying to get points at every stop. [00:05:51] Amanda Nauman: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I think that was where it caused me some stress last year because I got sick a couple times and the kind of sick where had it been a normal year, I just would've like pulled the plug and not gone to Sea Otter, for example, cuz that was the first one that I was sick for. and in hindsight, like I probably should have done that, but when you're in the moment you're like, no, I can't skip this cuz I only have one scratch race. I had to skip Schwa again because of Mammoth. So I was already in a tough situation of like, I have to do all of these other ones no matter what. And that was the stress for me, I think was feeling like I had to do this thing. And especially because last year we paid for it. So I was also like financially invested in the decision that I had made. Um, so yeah, for me, like I said, that that feeling. Wasn't perfect for me because. Bike racing isn't my only source of income. So it, I've always tried to go towards what I'm doing has to be fun because if not, then like, what's the point? It's not like the money puts food on the table for me. So I have that ability to say, Hey, I need to pick and choose things that are important to me. And I think I've come back a little bit more to that, uh, in 2023, which I would say I was at in 2019 for sure. Um, and then a period. A few years floundering of what, what was important for me, . [00:07:13] Craig Dalton: I know you guys at the Groo podcast did a really great episode with, I think it was Michelle Duffy talking, just talking about your, how you felt the season went at the Lifetime Grand Prix, and some suggestions and some questions. What were some of the key takeaways if you look back on that season to say, What would you recommend they changed in that program and did they ultimately end up doing that for [00:07:36] Amanda Nauman: 23? Yeah, I definitely, I asked some hard questions. I think he, I told chemo I was going to ask some hard questions and he was like, yeah, okay, But I, you know, I pulled some of them from like actual trolls on the internet that would say like these most. Outlandish things and you're like, really? Like, did you even pay attention at all? But I wanted to give them the opportunity to respond to some of that stuff. Like, like did, did social media matter? Or you know, how could you charge everyone money and all the ENT entry fees to go do this stuff? And kind of. Pinpoint some of the things that people had complained about, I would say. Um, and yeah, they changed a lot. I mean, at that time they had already made 2023, like no fees so people don't have to pay for the entry fees. Um, and I think they're doing a much better job with social media. And that was. , one of my major points that I wanted to drive with them was like the stuff that I was seeing, they had relied so heavily on the flow bikes deal that they had made. Yeah. And doing that live coverage and really just making sure that flow was going to do the storytelling for them and it just never happened. And that was my, my main frustration. in March, like before we went to Mid-South, Flo did one-on-one interviews with probably everyone, and they had all this great content that they put out before Sea Otter, and it was very in depth and it felt like everybody was telling their story and it was fun to follow that part of it. And then after Unbound, it just stopped. And then they had the issues in Utah and. . So ultimately for somebody like me, where being in the top 10 wasn't necessarily realistic and being in that midfield to back of the pack zone, I kept saying like, what is the point for somebody like me and somebody let, and now let's say somebody in the 20 to 30 range, what's the point of being in it if you're not giving me the exposure? that I want if I'm gonna be in the series and like, invest in this with you. And so I hope that that's the biggest thing that they change for this year is not relying on the flow stuff, probably expanding the storytelling to more than the top five at each event. Yeah. And, and being able to tell more of the story of everyone [00:09:52] Craig Dalton: I. Yeah, that would be interesting. I, I sort of, when I look through the list of writers, both male and female, and I think about like who, oh, who might I interview over the cross cost of the cross of the season, as you know, this isn't specifically a racing podcast. Yeah. But even if it was like, I can't get to all those athletes and it's almost like I just need to get a dart board, just throw a dart and pick someone that I don't know and interview because I think you're right. There's interesting. Across the board and the more that they can kind of create those personal connections with the athletes, the more excited people are gonna be to follow. [00:10:27] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, for sure. And I think, like chemo said, his major goal was to get non-endemic sponsorship into the sport and to get these athletes able to make a living off of it. Like those were his two main goals in making this series. And I was like, okay, if you do that, like you need to work more on the marketing side of it and you need to tell. All of the stories because if we're just gonna talk about the top five and we're only gonna pay the top 10, then what's the point of going 30 deep So . Yeah, like that's, I think, I think they get that now and they'll probably work more on that this year. But for sure, like I'm, I'm gonna have Anna Ya mochi on Groo next. And she just won rock cobbler and she's doing the Grand Prix and she's one of those like up and coming names where it's a really exciting story to follow and if they go the same route they did as last year, which is like, well, let's just focus on the top five hopefuls at each event, like she's never gonna get any coverage then So yeah, if they can expand the way that they tell those stories, I think that would be, [00:11:31] Craig Dalton: Yeah. Similarly, I just launched an episode with, uh, Ian Lopez, San Ramon, nice. 19 year old out of Northern California who's joined. He's the youngest person who's part of the series. Yeah, and it's just, I think it's just gonna be an interesting timestamp for. He and I to like look at this interview where he is at, what he's thinking about with his career in cycling and yeah, follow him throughout the [00:11:52] Amanda Nauman: year. Yeah, I love that [00:11:53] Craig Dalton: stuff. I love it. Yeah. So did you decide to, to throw your hat in the ring for 2023 in the Grand [00:12:00] Amanda Nauman: Prix? I did not, and mostly because I think of the experiences that I had in 2022 and not enjoying that stuck feeling. Um, if they had. another deal or contract, or if they had presented a way that they were going to do marketing for all of the athletes, I might have reconsidered it, but because we were just going blindly on the hope of like, yeah, we're gonna make it better than the year before, I was like, well, I'd rather focus on more of the stuff I think that I wanna do personally. Um, so yeah, I'm, I'm optimistic about the things that they do change for this year. I just think it would've been cool for them to maybe present that upfront. [00:12:42] Craig Dalton: When you saw the call of a Lifetime series on YouTube, did that make you. They might be approaching it differently or what were your thoughts on that series? [00:12:50] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, I, I loved it. I think they, you know, they had told us initially that it was going to happen and before every race weekend they had said, Hey, if you're in the top three men or women, cuz they alternated. Genders throughout the the series. They told us all of that upfront and they said, if you are going to be in this top group, please make sure you make time for the interviews and all of that. So that part of it we knew was for sure happening. And they made some of the vignette videos highlighting some of the athletes, but it just wasn't, it wasn't everyone, and it wasn't clear how they were picking the stories to tell essentially. Um, So, yeah, I think they did a really good job with the series though. I, I joked that it's, like they said, make it like drive to survive with a little less drama, but, and a lot more cool bike racing. I think they nailed it pretty good. [00:13:42] Craig Dalton: Yeah, I enjoyed it as well. Yeah. With with the idea that you can drop two races and now it's up to seven races, do you think that would meaningfully change, like what your experience would've been? If that was the scenario last [00:13:54] Amanda Nauman: year, yeah. It would've eliminated some of that stress of feeling stuck or knowing that. you had a little bit more flexibility. Uh, yeah, I think that, that that format will be healthier for people and I think that is for sure something that they realized last year with some of the injuries that happened already, like Pete racing through when maybe he shouldn't have with his hand still hurting and pacing. So, um, yeah, just lessons learned, growing pains of how you set up a series from the get-go. [00:14:23] Craig Dalton: Yeah, I think that'll be interesting. I also think it'll be interesting if someone is riding through the series healthy. And just decides not to do something, you know, unbound obviously being a huge effort that maybe some people might not be suited for. At least that was the speculation last year. Yeah. Um, wondering like whether they'll just opt out of one and save one in their pocket for either a bad day or an illness or injury. [00:14:48] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, everybody was afraid of that and I felt like there were a lot of rumblings of like, oh, so-and-so's gonna skip unbound cuz they can. But I think peer pressure might have just went on that and most of them ended up just doing it. So maybe that'll keep happening. I think everybody kind of feels that is the marquee one and if you skip it, cuz it doesn't suit you and you one people will probably be like, well they didn't do unbound. So Yeah, [00:15:12] Craig Dalton: I could see. Yeah. Little, a little asterisks, by the way. [00:15:14] Amanda Nauman: Exactly, exactly. Uh, well they chickened out on that one. . . [00:15:19] Craig Dalton: Love it. So what, what are some of your plans for 2023? Obviously, like over the last couple years, you've. Uh, become an event organizer with Mammoth Tuff, which we'll get into. Also started dabbling in gravel camps, which sound amazing. But why don't you just, let's talk through what 2023 is gonna look like for you for both erasing and other gravel endeavor perspective. [00:15:42] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, I, yeah, quite, quite a few people have asked me this, and I think it's important to. also reminds people again that like, this isn't my job, per se. You know, like I have a regular desk job. And so the way that I've approached anything has always been fun first in doing things that I want to do. Um, and last year my dad got sick a couple times and the business that I work for is my parents own it. And so, and it's just me and my brother that work for them. So I think we kind of had this like revelation of. All of this other stuff that we're doing isn't quite as important and putting my dad's health first and focusing on that kind of was, and it's one of those things where it puts stuff into perspective. And I'm like, yeah, I've been doing this bike racing stuff for a decade. It is, it has been a very selfish endeavor. And there are kind of other things. in my life that I would like to focus on. Um, so yeah, that, that's, that's the background to all of it, essentially. You know, it's not as easy of a decision as like, oh, well I'd rather race mid-south than Unbound. Like, it was, it was never really that simple for me. For 2023, it was kind of more like, mammoth is very important to me. Doing camps is very important to me. Having more time at work is also important to me. And, um, Going back to the goal that I had in 2020 of finishing the calera 500 was also a goal and something I wanted to do last year, but like I said, the like shiny object of the Grand Prix got in the way and I was like, oh, I could do this thing. So I just put that on hold for another year. Um, so I'd like to, to go back to that and try and finish it. Awesome. [00:17:20] Craig Dalton: Can you describe that, that attempt at Calera and what that [00:17:24] Amanda Nauman: is? Yeah. So it is the Calera 500. Um, the person who started it, his name is Alan Jacoby and he lives in Idaho now. So he doesn't live in Mammoth anymore, but he was a big tour divide fanatic. Um, and he came back to Mammoth after doing tour divide and was like, I need to do something similar here in my backyard. So he came up with Calera, which is a hundred fifty, two hundred fifty North and South Loops. And then the Calera 500, which is the big Mamma Jamma one. And most all of this is like, An Excel spreadsheet of maps and queues and like very rudimentary stuff. I think over the course of the next year or so, it will be a little bit more updated Ever since, um, one of the bike packing.com people did a feature story on it cuz he finished the 500 last fall. So with more attention, more eyeballs, I think it's going to gain popularity. But essentially they're just like really stupid hard bike packing routes in the area. And I think the fastest time on the 500 is just under five days. . So it's not really something that can be done in a couple, and it's more walking than you think, and it's, uh, a lot harder just because of the elevation and the massive climbs in the Eastern Sierra. So, . Yeah, that's, that's the backstory. There's a cool video that Niner put out in 2020 when I had first started it and kind of the goal of finishing it has is still, is still there looming over my head. I've had a couple of times that didn't go right, [00:19:01] Craig Dalton: and is it the type of thing now that in the bike packing community, it's this, Entity and people are starting to sort of check it off their list and make attempts to go at it fast. [00:19:12] Amanda Nauman: Barely. That's why I said like I think it'll gain popularity now that bike packing.com did a feature on it because I think they're only five or six guys that have ever finished the 500. I'm the only person to ever finish the one 50 South Loop. Um, yeah. So it's very, very grassroots. I mean, there are probably. 200 people in the Facebook group that know about it. Um, but yeah, if you are interested, there is a Facebook group. It is private, so you can just request access for it for anybody listening. But yeah, I would love to see it blow up. Like I think it's a, it's a really beautiful route. It's very challenging and hard, but if you're looking for a good reason to, to get away, it's a, it's a good one. [00:19:53] Craig Dalton: How did you fall in love with that area in the Eastern Sierra? [00:19:57] Amanda Nauman: M uh, growing up, I think, um, yeah, we probably talked about this a few years ago, but my parents always took us to Mammoth growing up and same thing with David's parents. And so we both sort of fell in love with it in a parallel way as we were younger. And then once we met, um, we were like, oh man, this place is awesome. And my parents saved up enough money to get a house there, I think in 20. 15 or 16 I think. And because of that opportunity to be there and stay there, I ended up doing a lot of my training for, at the time, DK Now Unbound. And so I attribute a lot of the success I had winning in 15 and 16 to training up there because it was just the most like wide open. Not California, like in the way that you would think about California gravel. It was just more Midwest than anything I'd ever found in the state. And because of that, it gave me the opportunity to put my head down and go hard the way that you would in the in the back roads of Kansas . So that was sort of how we fell in love with it. Definitely skiing and snowboarding first, then mountain biking over the years, and then, hey, like let's go down this road that looks like it goes off to nowhere. . Yeah. [00:21:14] Craig Dalton: Love it. And then which year was the, was 2020 was the first year that you guys attempted to put on Mammoth Tough, right? Right. [00:21:22] Amanda Nauman: Yeah. We came up with the idea in like, well, I'd say late 2018 or so. Um, I don't know if I've ever told this story publicly, but we actually went. Maybe half a year of doing it with Lifetime and thinking it was gonna be a lifetime event. And ultimately Dave and I decided we wanted to do it on our own. And so in 20, late 2019, we were like, okay, we're gonna do it ourselves cuz this is how we wanna do it and present it. And, and then with the intention of it kicking off in 2020 [00:21:54] Craig Dalton: and what year did it actually kick off? [00:21:56] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, last year , so, [00:21:59] Craig Dalton: yeah. Yeah. I couldn't remember if it happened once or twice already. Yeah. No. So you got got one [00:22:03] Amanda Nauman: under your belt. Yeah. Covid. And then 2021 was wildfires, unfortunately. And then, yeah, 2022 finally happened last year. Which, one thing I do wanna mention, I just set up bike ride for. this in 2023. For me, I'm the tough, and they have a new insurance policy option for their event promoters where there's like a natural disaster thing. You can pay a fee into this insurance thing where they will cover refunds for natural disasters like wildfires, which is huge, especially so any promoter's listening in California, think about it. It's only like 2.2% of your fees or whatever, and I think. The state that we're in and with, you know, some of the things that could happen in our areas like that is a, a pretty good opportunity for promoters. . [00:22:53] Craig Dalton: Yeah, that sounds like it. Yeah. So the events in September, so end of the year each, each season. [00:22:59] Amanda Nauman: Yes. Yeah, it is the weekend after Labor Day. So traditionally the Mammoth Grand Fondo has Labor Day weekend, and then we are that next Saturday after that, which is the closing weekend of the Mountain bike park. So we had a lot of people that were up there. You know, you have siblings or other family members that wanna just go ride park all day and. Go do your little grapple adventure. [00:23:22] Craig Dalton: Nice. A little I'd I'd do a little bit of both if given the opportunity. . [00:23:26] Amanda Nauman: Yeah. A lot of people went and rode mountain bikes on Sunday. . [00:23:29] Craig Dalton: Yeah. Um, and tell us a little bit about the event. Like if someone's considering it for their calendar, what, what is it like? Obviously Mammoth Mountain is at a high elevation as you referenced before, but how did you design the, the, the event? What are the, the roads and trails like up. [00:23:45] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, it's one thing. So when we first started it, we had a short course and a long course. We were gonna do a 40 mile and a hundred mile option ish. And then in 2020, One, we had a bunch of people come out and we tested sort of a medium route. Even though the event was canceled, we were like, Hey, go ride part of this and tell us what you think. And that was the genesis of the medium distance. So in 2022 last year, we had three routes, even though that was never the initial plan, but some people felt like, oh, the short one's too easy and the long one's too hard. So we need an in between. And that was where we came up with the idea of doing three different ones and they. Very different. Like they're in completely different sections of the, of the valley of the mountain. They go in different areas. So I wanted to be able to sell a different experience for each distance and sort of have it as a stepping stone leading up to challenging yourself over a hundred if you want to, and letting those first two on the way kind. get you ready for what to expect for the, for the long one, cuz the long one you go pretty much all the way to Bishop and back essentially is the route. [00:24:57] Craig Dalton: Yeah. And how much climbing is in the long one? [00:25:00] Amanda Nauman: 7,500 or so? It's not too bad, it's not like raw cobbler where it's a hundred feet per every mile. It's a little bit less than that. So I think it's, um, it's not as like punchy and brutal in that regard. . [00:25:15] Craig Dalton: Yeah. Are you doing sort of long duration climbs on the course or is it [00:25:19] Amanda Nauman: rolling? Yeah, it's mostly you just like kind of get in the zone and climb for. Good chunks of time. It's a lot less, like five minutes as hard as you can go. You're kind of like, yeah. All right. Kick it into gear for the next hour, essentially. . . [00:25:37] Craig Dalton: Nice. And then the, the, um, the, the short and the medium courses, what are those [00:25:42] Amanda Nauman: distances? Yeah, the short is about 40 miles, very palatable. You go by, uh, the the Hot Creek area, which is cool, so you can stop and go down there. And then the medium distance is about 75 miles or so, and it has some pretty technical descending in it, I would say. And for folks who aren't used to riding or navigating sand as much, that feeling. Riding in Palmist stone is very different from anything else in the state, essentially, cuz you're just riding in old lava fields. So, . It's very unique. So I had a lot of people tell me last year like, oh man, you weren't kidding when you said it was gonna be hard. I'm like, yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't like some like silly marketing ploy to be like, this is gonna be the hardest event ever. I was like, I was serious. Like it's not easy. Um, and so it was, it was funny to have a bunch of people come up to me afterwards and being like, yeah, you were right. Like I know I wouldn't lie to you [00:26:40] Craig Dalton: What does that end up translating wise for equipment? Like what do you sort of recommend people ride up? [00:26:46] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, 40 minimum tire width. And I tell people like, go with as wide as your frame would allow, essentially. So like I could fit a 48 Oracle ridge on my R L t if I, if I needed to. And I think that would be the most fun realistically for the day if you were just looking to have a good time. And a lot of it is because some of the softer stuff, if you're not used to the like fish taily feeling of your bike, With when it has two narrow tires and sand, then go wider because you, it'll be more stable and a lot less like wiggly, I guess. So it kind of depends on. Number one, people's handling abilities and number two, what your frame can allow. And then, yeah, just go big. It's safer. , [00:27:32] Craig Dalton: did people listen to you or were people showing up on 30 twos? Yeah, [00:27:35] Amanda Nauman: no, people listened. I think that was, that was the thing we tried to scare everyone with. I was like, if you go under 40, you're not gonna have a good time. Just trust me. . [00:27:45] Craig Dalton: I love it. I love it. So overall, how was the first year of the event? Did it meet your expectations? [00:27:51] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, yeah, it was, it was great. I think the one thing, I don't like gloating, but I will toot my horn on the safety aspect because the one thing about that area is there's, you have very little cell service. You're kind of really, truly in the middle of nowhere and the only people who ever go out there are just going in their side by sides or motorcycles to, to get away. So we made it an an emphasis on safety and having a hundred percent rider accountability, which you'd be surprised looking into events that you're trying to sign up for that. That's not really the case for most events that you go to. Promoters kind of put it on you to, oh, well, if you're out there, you're kind of on your own and if you don't get back like, and you tried calling, sag, whatever, like you'll figure out how to get back essentially. And there's not really making sure that everybody is back. Okay. Whereas in our case, if you get out there and you get lost or. Can't find your way back. Like there's a, like you go into the risk of like making it out alive essentially, cuz temperatures can drop overnight and there's kind of more risk factors involved. So we wanted to make sure that we knew where everyone was. And TBG timing had a really good setup where you could text them if you dnf, if you got back to your hotel room on your own. And then if you got picked up by people, obviously we knew where you were. We got that idea from, there's a, there's an ultra, a Bishop Ultra that happens in May every year, and they have a policy where if you don't report your DNF or like that you left the course and just went home, you're never allowed back. like they have a very like hard. Stance on that, and they just don't want people back that disregard that rule. So we were like, well, we don't wanna be that strict, but we want to make sure people know that we care about where they are out there. Um, so yeah, safety, I think was, was the biggest thing that we wanted to, to shoot for. And hopefully everybody's told me like, you're never gonna be able to scale that if you have 2000 people. And I don't know, I'd like to take on that challenge just because I think making sure everyone's safe is, is always gonna be our biggest priority. Yeah, for sure. [00:30:03] Craig Dalton: That sounds great. I remember in the first year you guys were advertising that it was kind of co-located alongside Octoberfest in Mammoth. Did that turn out to be the case? [00:30:13] Amanda Nauman: It didn't. They, uh, they ended up canceling their festival. They like, I. Covid stuff and the people who ran octoberfest have other businesses in town that they were kind of more worried about than, than putting on the festival last year. So they canceled. And so that is why we did our own beer run on Friday. So we ended up doing what used to be theirs. They handed it off to us and they're like, yeah, if you wanna do this, Stupid beer run. Go for it. Which we did cuz I had done it the year before and I was like, this is awesome. Um, so we took that over and, and we obviously last year didn't have time to like throw together a full on music festival like they had had in the past, but cuz they canceled sort of last minute. So this year the village is kind of helping us. Get talent involved for kind of having it be a little bit more of a festival and live music and entertainment for Saturday. Um, so yeah, no more October Fest, but, but we're trying to make the party . [00:31:10] Craig Dalton: Love it. Um, now I know you guys have been through the ringer as far as event organizers are concerned between the pandemic and the fires. But let's put those two years of waiting aside. Like how would you, what. , how do you think about the amount of effort required to put on Mammoth? Tough. And was it a satisfying enterprise for you guys to put together, or was being an event organizer just like this crazy amount of work you never anticipated? [00:31:40] Amanda Nauman: It was a crazy amount of work. I never anticipated a hundred percent. Um, I think that Sunday after the award ceremony when we were all cleaning up, I was like, somebody asked David, like, oh, are you guys gonna do this next year? David was like, uh, I don't know. And I was like, yes, . So we had very different, I think, immediate reactions to it. David ended up doing a lot more of like the manual labor, I would say, and I did a lot more of like the computer work and logistics and all of that. So we came at it from different perspectives, but in, even though it was more work than we had anticipated, I would say it was a lot more rewarding than we had anticipated as well. because I have always told the story that Mammoth was like the special place to us. Like so much so that we thought about just keeping it a secret and not really like displaying it as this gravel destination, I guess you could say. But doing that and having the opportunity to share this place that has meant so much to us, I think was. Ultimately the biggest gift and the thing that we were the most proud of because everybody was like, yeah, I come up and ski here in snowboard and mountain bike. I never thought to bring my gravel bike and just go explore. And people have spent so much time on the 3 95 and just never really thought about those roads that are out there. So that part to me was very rewarding. I think Visit Mammoth now knows that it is a really great destination to, for people to go bring a gravel bike and explore. and that part I think will be the thing will, will always be the most proud of is kind of sharing that adventurous spirit up there. [00:33:17] Craig Dalton: Yeah. Did you think about the event from like, um, you want this to be a hyper-competitive event or was it something else in your mind when you conceived of it? [00:33:27] Amanda Nauman: Um, that's it. That's kind of hard for me because I am so competitive. So we wanted this fine balance of making everybody feel like they were competing for something, um, because I don't want to exclude all of those people. Like I always appreciated that Sam aims with the rock cobbler. He was always like, this isn't a race, but two people are going to win. Like he's always said that. and he's always acknowledged me or whoever else was winning those years, but he didn't like do categories for all, you know, the age groups and whatnot. But re I really wanted to do that for our event because, As a swimmer, as a triathlete, having those goals for everyday regular people was something that was important to me, cuz it was important to me a decade ago before I got into anything super competitive. So I think it's important to reward. . Um, yeah. The people that are doing the thing and going how they can as fast as they can for their certain categories, I think is still important to me. Um, but in that sense, I also just wanna make sure people can come and have a good time and not feel like the pressure to, to perform. [00:34:37] Craig Dalton: Yeah. Well, it sounds like you've covered both bases, right? You've, you've, you, you've allowed the racer types to go at it, go hard and get some recognition at the end, but you've also built that safety net to make sure that there's no man or woman left [00:34:50] Amanda Nauman: behind. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. , . [00:34:54] Craig Dalton: The other thing I wanted to touch on that seems like it's been growing in your portfolio of gravel offerings has been the camp. what can you just tell me about like what a tough camp is like and what are tough? What's the vision for 2023? Yeah. [00:35:10] Amanda Nauman: Yeah. I. I will go as, I'm gonna go a decade back real quick. So when I was, uh, I finished my master's degree in 2012 and I had planned a trip to Europe with my best friend from high school, and we signed up for one of those like v i p experiences with the Tour de France. And so we did like this like. 10 days in the NY sort of thing and blew all of the money that I had made in college to go do this trip. Cuz I was like, whatever, I'm starting work after this. Like I can make money later. And it was like a very, I don't know, transformative, life-changing trip that we did. And I think, you know, the, the people I had spent a week with, I still talked to you today and uh, I think that experience was important for me cuz it made me realize how much. Travel and sharing cool experiences on two wheels was to me. And then, you know, shortly after that, I met David, I was working at, felt all of these things kind of stumbled into bike racing and bike racing became the catalyst to going cool places and riding bikes with friends. and then now I am like moving that pendulum sort of back into to what was really important to me 10 years ago, which was like just going and doing these trips and riding with people for fun and like sharing kind of all of the experiences that I've had in the past decade. So that was the impetus of it. And like I knew we were gonna have this conversation and I was thinking a lot. Why I wanted to do camps and why they were so important to me and Dave working as a coach for Carmichael Training Systems, like they have always done a really amazing job with camps, and I've had the pleasure of helping coach some of those and being a part of them. And every time I'm like, this is where it's at, like the like intimate, like group setting. You know, you have good food, you hang out, you just talk about important life stuff. That I think is always something I enjoyed. So that was the impetus of of all of it. We started some of the camps in 2020, a couple more in 2021, a couple more last year, and to where we are at today, making all of them sort of under the Tough Ventures umbrella and expanding it to a couple camps in Kansas. [00:37:31] Craig Dalton: Super cool. I do, I do think for many cyclists, the idea of a camp evokes this. Training camp mentality, which is like, oh, I'm going because I'm trying to do well at Unbound, or what have you. Yeah, and I think it's an inter really interesting opportunity to kind of shift that mindset to more what you're saying, which is like, I'm gonna go somewhere cool. I'm gonna ride my ass off for four days. I'm not doing that for necessarily for anything beyond the sheer pleasure of writing. For four days and getting access to people who are knowledgeable about the sport and learning a thing or two. [00:38:07] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, exactly. I think it's a middle ground of a training camp and like a vacation trip, , because I want, I want to bring value and the way I've been explaining it to everyone is like, Dave and I made a lot of mistakes in the past 10 years. We did everything the wrong way and I would like to make sure that people coming into this discipline now, Kind of learn from our mistakes, start doing everything the right way, because you will have a much more pleasant experience doing these long adventures if you have, you know, some, some semblance of like how you should take care of yourself essentially. [00:38:42] Craig Dalton: Yeah, definitely. There's just a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of if someone just tells you something simple like make sure you eat every hour in these long events. Yeah, yeah. You're gonna be a lot better off than [00:38:52] Amanda Nauman: or some people that are like, oh man, I only had a bottle in four hours. I'm like, well, that's why you feel like crap. [00:38:58] Craig Dalton: Yeah, . Exactly. I like you had the benefit of doing triathlons. You sort of learned those lessons very quickly. Yeah. If you didn't fuel in one activity for the next one, you were pretty much [00:39:09] Amanda Nauman: hosed, right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I, again, one of the other things that happened was we had so many people that came to Mammoth and did the short route last year, and it was like their first gravel event. And that was very intimidating for me cuz I was like, this is going to be like their introduction to this experience and this discipline. and I wanted it to be good, and I wanted them to have resources at their disposal to make it comfortable. So much so. I feel like I over-delivered and overshared on some of that information. And I had a couple people emailing me and say like, you know, you don't really have to like handhold so much for all these people. I was like, yeah, I do, because some of them literally have no idea. So like if it's annoying to you that I'm telling you to drink a bottle an hour, like just ignore me. Then , this isn't for you. [00:40:03] Craig Dalton: So most of the camps, well all the camps last year were up at Mammoth. And obviously like just being able to showcase all the great trails and roads up at Mammoth was an obvious thing for you to do both in terms of getting people pumped about that region that you love so much and getting people excited, maybe specifically for your event, but now you're expanding to Kansas. Let's talk about like, what's the orientation of those camps in Kansas? Is it just yet another great place to ride that people should go? Or is it trying to get you ready for any particular event? [00:40:35] Amanda Nauman: Uh, yeah. Yeah, they, so the first one is with the Flint Hills gravel ride, and the second one in July is with the Rockridge gravel. And so both of those events are run by Bobby Thompson and Dave and I met Bobby. . Like way back in 2017, the Dirty Kansas production or promotion company was the company that was, that DK was under at the time. They had dabbled in this idea of travel trips as well. So they did this like test run to do the Dirty River in the uk and Bobby was on that trip. So we met Bobby in that like travel trip, bike thing, atmosphere, and we became really fast good friends, and they had come out to Mammoth a couple times, um, in 2020 or 2021 and 2022. So we have always had this relationship with Bobby and he wanted to build his. Camps, or sorry, his events in Kansas that were more of like grassroots, like OG gravel style there. And that's very much the stuff that Dave and I fell in love with and we were like, well, , let's see if we can do tough camps in Kansas. Because Bobby came to me and said like, Hey, I'm not getting enough women signing up for these. Like, what am I doing wrong? And I was like, well, I don't think you're doing anything wrong necessarily. I think just like what you're offering is still intimidating for women. So let's try and maybe bring this camp idea to to soften. That experience or make it feel more palatable for women and for anyone as a whole. Um, so that was where that idea came from to build those camps there. And o obviously I have a really good reputation and love for that area in terms of what I've been able to do, um, with Unbound and all of. The experience that Dave and I have with that event. So I think sharing what we know and doing that and again in a place that um, means a lot to us was kind of why we wanted to do. . [00:42:35] Craig Dalton: So will those camps actually culminate in participation in the those events? [00:42:40] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, so that's how we structured. It was like a three day leading up to that event so that that final day you get to sort of execute everything that you've learned in the three days prior, which is, which is a fun way to do it. [00:42:54] Craig Dalton: Yeah, that's super interesting. I want to touch on something that you mentioned offline, but just kind of reference there about just. Finding a way to bring more female athletes into the sport. And you mentioned some work you were doing with Sam at Rock Cobbler this year. , can you describe what you were doing? [00:43:11] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, yeah, so Chris Hall was on the marketing team helping Sam out this year, and he sent me a message a couple months ago and was like, Hey, Sam's at like 16% female participation. And he was like, how do we make that bigger? I'm not happy with it. And I was like, yeah, I'm not happy with that either. That's not a great number. So I was like, well, let's, you know, open 50 spots on the backend for any women. Sign up after it sells out. And I was like, I will volunteer my time if people wanna ask me any questions about it, if they're nervous, cuz maybe women don't necessarily want to email Sam or an unknown face behind an event and say like, Hey, is this for me? Maybe they'll feel more comfortable if it's for me. So they put a whole special section of the website called Ask Pan. People could email me their questions if they were concerned about stuff, and we got quite a few people that emailed and women that were just uncomfortable. Or didn't feel great about doing the short distance cuz it, it didn't feel like enough or they felt like a failure cuz they wanted to do the peb. And it was very eye-opening in the sense that I was like, yeah, maybe just women need that safe space to be able to say, Hey, I am uncomfortable. And they need somebody to tell them like, it's gonna be okay and you are fully capable of doing this. or maybe you're not fully capable and it's okay to do this other part of it instead, you know, it was, um, yeah, again, just a very eye-opening thing because women traditionally can just have a lot more self-doubt, I think, than men, and that idea that they perhaps might not feel like it's a space or. a discipline that's for them necessarily. So the more that I can try and crack that code on making women feel like they're more capable, I think that that's something that I'd like to, to focus on in the [00:45:09] Craig Dalton: future. . Yeah, I think that's super cool takeaway for a lot of event organizers listening. It's just like, find a female athlete that can be supportive and be open to questions like that, just to make people feel welcome. Yeah. [00:45:22] Amanda Nauman: Yeah. It seems so simple, but really like, and again, a lot of that has, has stemmed from talking to other women or like even my best friend, the one that I was talking to, that we went to Europe together. I always kind of use her as my litmus test. Like a better representation of all women in terms of how they're looking at the stuff. And she'll always second guess herself or say like, I don't think I can do that. And most of the times it's, cuz I feel like she's comparing it maybe to things that I do or things that she sees other women do, these like epic things and she's like, yeah, that's not for me. I'm like, no, it is like, you have no idea that you are fully capable of doing this if you want to. And a lot of times they, they won't even take the step to do it because. They're unsure. So the more that I can help, like, no, you can do it. If you want to do it, you should do X, Y, Z to, to get there. Um, yeah, those conversations I think are so important and for men listening to this too. You all have also a responsibility I think in to like make your female friends feel comfortable. Because a lot of times, like women just are too afraid to ask or they think that their questions are stupid. So the more that men. dads especially, um, brothers, the more that you all can make your female counterparts more comfortable, I think the better off we'll all be. Cuz it's not necessarily my job, only either , I think it's everyone's job to, to make it, to make it feel like something that they can do. [00:46:55] Craig Dalton: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for doing that by the way. Yeah. Yeah. It's important you've got a busy calendar of your own activities. , are there any events for the rest of the year that you're excited about doing? [00:47:09] Amanda Nauman: Oh, I don't know. I sort of don't, I don't really, I don't think I have anything. I was like super excited about rock cobbler and I even just did the short one this year. Um, yeah, I'm, I think I'm putting all of my eggs in the, the camp and mammoth basket and really focusing on calera because it is something that, Of steep learning curve, like obviously I haven't, I haven't finished it twice. So there's a reason why, and it's just a lot of like learning things the hard way I think when it comes to backpacking. So the idea of like even more self-sufficiency than I've been used to in the past is the, like that learning thing that I'm most excited about for this. [00:47:53] Craig Dalton: Is, was that the, if you could point to like the reasons why you haven't been able to complete the route, or is it a self-sufficiency issue? [00:48:02] Amanda Nauman: I would say it's equipment, honestly. Like the, well, the first year I couldn't even start it cuz of wildfires. So that was, that was a whole nother thing. Yeah. And then the second time I got stuck in like a lightning storm and on top of that my knee was bugging me cause I had picked. , I had made wrong equipment decisions, essentially. Yeah. And it's something where, you know, if I'm used to a certain position riding style and I have so many hours in that same position, I was jumping into something different, more weight on my bike, more everything. More walking. Yeah. . So it was just a, yeah, a learning curve of equipment and how I need to manage like, I don't know, just a very different style. Goal chasing essentially. [00:48:49] Craig Dalton: Yeah. It's so, it's so different. Yeah. I mean, just, just, just having a loaded bike in and of itself is like a game changer in what, how your knees feel in particular. [00:48:59] Amanda Nauman: Exactly, exactly. Because I, so I had like a frame bag on my frame, and so I thought, well, I'll make my Q factor wider so that my knees aren't rubbing my frame and that. Q factor thing, just royally effed up my left knee . That was the thing that ultimately did me in, was changing one thing that I thought was gonna help me. But really, like your bodies are so fine tuned to a certain feel that if you throw that off and you're trying to do it for five days in a row, like, forget it. . Yeah. [00:49:27] Craig Dalton: Yeah. And cycling because of the repetitive nature of it, it's. , you get something wrong it you're doing over and over and over and over and over again. Eventually it's gonna add [00:49:36] Amanda Nauman: up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Just again, stupid things where if I was telling somebody, I would say like, yeah, nothing new on race day. That's like one of my main mantras, and I of course, like I did something different for this major goal that I shouldn't have. , [00:49:53] Craig Dalton: something that was even harder than race day. Arguably. Yes, exactly. , . I love it. Well, I'm super excited for all the camps. I think for anybody listening like that is a good way to spend four days. Yeah, and I love that Mammoth tough went off well, and I'm excited for you guys doing it again. And obviously I'll put um, a link in the show notes to registration, which just opened up so. People listening, make sure to go out and grab your spot. [00:50:18] Amanda Nauman: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks Craig. Yeah. I think, and for anybody that's listening to this that does, hasn't listened to a bunch of the, the Gravel Ride episodes, go back and listen to the one that Craig did with Trek Travel in Jerron and. just be inspired to go, to go do a fun bike trip cuz I think yeah. I'm, I'm really gonna push that more for a lot of people who are, you know, race or event anxious and just need, like, need a good reason to go explore and do it in a different way. Yeah. [00:50:50] Craig Dalton: Gravel travel, it's where it's [00:50:52] Amanda Nauman: at. Yeah. Yes, exactly. . [00:50:55] Craig Dalton: So good to spend some time with you again and hopefully we catch up later this year. [00:50:59] Amanda Nauman: Yeah, thanks Craig. I appreciate it. [00:51:02] Craig Dalton: That's going to do it for this week's edition of the gravel ride podcast. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Amanda as much as I did. She's such a great member of the gravel cycling community. I always learn a lot listening to the grody IO podcast and appreciate her perspective. She's been doing all these gravel events for a while. So just offers a great historical view as to what it was like, what it's like now and what are some of the ways that we can chart the course forward. I encourage you to check out all the tough ventures work. It's tough.ventures. As she mentioned during the show, they're doing the mammoth tough event, but they're also doing a series of camps this year, which I think will be super fun and informative to anybody who can attend. 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The Las Vegas Raiders have signed former 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to a 3-Year Deal worth 67.5 Million with 34 Million guaranteed, day one of NFL Free Agency. Is Jimmy Garoppolo an upgrade over Derek Carr, or did the Raiders downgrade at quarterback? The Chicago Bears traded the First Overall Pick to the Carolina Panthers in exchange for DJ Moore, Two second-round picks, and two first-round picks in the 2023 and 2024 NFL Draft. Did the Panthers get FLEECED by Ryan Poles and the Bears? Since the Baltimore Ravens put the non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar Jackson, the former NFL MVP has received little rumored interest from other teams. It's been rumored that Lamar Jackson is seeking a fully guaranteed deal, but JT Sports explains why no NFL franchise will be willing to meet Lamar's rumored demands. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jtsports/support

Martina McBride (@MartinaMcBride) recently stopped by Bobby's house to discuss her over 30-year career of being one of country music's most powerful voices, how she got her start, her passion for cooking, the secret to her 35 year marriage and explains the joke Loretta Lynn made inducting her into The Opry. Martina moved to Nashville in1990 to pursue a career in music, and since then has gotten 20 Top Ten hits and 6 number-one songs, won four CMA Female Vocalist of The Year Awards and three ACM Top Female Vocalist honors. But, success didn't always come easy. She shares how she called around to radio stations to fight for her song "Independence Day '' and how she received resistance for it. She also shares what it was like coming from a small town in Kansas with only a population of 200, to moving to Nashville and performing in front of thousands of fans. Martina also talks about her love for cooking and what led to her releasing multiple cookbooks and reveals the secret to her 35 year marriage. She also discusses the moment Loretta Lynn inducted her into The Opry and the joke she made backstage.  Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCast Watch this Episode on Youtube    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Heartland POD on Twitter - @TheHeartlandPOD Co-HostsAdam Sommer @Adam_Sommer85  (Twitter) @adam_sommer85 (Post)Rachel Parker @msraitchetp   (Post)Sean Diller @SeanDillerCO   (Twitter and Post)https://heartlandpod.com/JOIN PATREON FOR MORE - AND JOIN OUR SOCIAL NETWORK!“Change The Conversation”Yeah…Yeah…Yeah… Adam: I'm nominating the Missouri Senate Dems for using an extreme minority of seats to bully the fractured GOP to leave for spring break earlyRachel: Rep. Cori Bush: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/cori-bush-transportation/Sean: True or FalseTucker's Lies Are Too Big To Swallow (Especially the ones about Josh Hawley) - sneaky Missouri 2024 senate talkRiver Front Times: https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/hawleys-infamous-chicken-run-was-really-a-chicken-jog-tucker-carlson-argues-39611312Saying Hawley was brave by being in the back of the pack, like he was waiting to protect people(For Sean if you want it):  UUuuhhhhmmmm… hey Tucker… protect them from what? Wasn't it a peaceful group of tourists? What was he protecting them from? And what was he running from? This stuff is why I think this 2024 race with Kunce is a real race. Hawley is weak, feckless, and a fraud. And the hard core Right, the ones whos trucks are big but also very clean… the don't watch Fox any more anyway, its fake news now. So who are they even spinning this too? Missouri abortion petition too: https://missouriindependent.com/2023/03/09/group-files-ballot-measures-adding-abortion-protections-to-missouri-constitution/Yeah…No, Yeah Idaho Artwork Removed https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/07/idaho-college-abortion-artwork-banned?CMP=Share_iOSApp_OtherMeanwhile, not to be outdone because everything is bigger in Texas, a group of women are suing over the texas abortion ban: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/5-women-sue-texas-abortion-bans-lives-put/story?id=97614294Buy or Sell“Florida For All” Is A Winning Message?Adam said this week on Twitter: If Florida wasn't surrounded by beaches and filled with theme parks, it would be Idaho. DeSanits big plan was to make Florida a utopia of some kind and then try and sell that as a national planhttps://www.ocregister.com/2023/03/07/desantis-to-argue-us-should-be-like-fla-ahead-of-2024-bid/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_content=tw-ocregisterWhat if they realize this gun law if from Florida? https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1633899301075075084?s=46&t=mukZUfs5M_R3E9tAHIu-GARon is too short? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/09/presidential-candidates-height-desantis-trump/The Big One2024 Presidential Race! What's the Mt. Rushmore of issues for 2024, and why?  (Deeper dive in last call this is just a brush over)Abortion? Healthcare? Education? Economy? Environment?Pew Research 2022 issues polling from February: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/25/state-of-the-union-2022-how-americans-view-major-national-issues/Comparisons of last 30 years - leaving out the 1996 and 2008 elections which are good examples of what a real mismatch can do to the map2020 - Single term loss - https://www.270towin.com/2020_Election/2016 - Trump's map - https://www.270towin.com/2016_Election/2012 - Reelection won - https://www.270towin.com/2012_Election/2004 - Reelection won - https://www.270towin.com/2004_Election/1992 - Single term loss - https://www.270towin.com/1992_Election/2024 – Blowout or Close? 

Professional Poker Player Matt Vaughan joined 3HL to talk about why he became a poker player, what his family thought of the move, Triple Barrell Social and more You can listen to 3HL and 104.5 The Zone no matter where you are in the world. Just subscribe to our channel by clicking on the links below  104.5 The Zone App  Apple Store - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/104-5-the-zone/id383299700?mt=8  Google Play - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.airkast.WGFXFM   3HL on Apple Podcast  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/3hl/id1103395659   3HL on Spotify  https://open.spotify.com/show/3O2pLdz4xu1GGc1ueCG9UD?si=475f849bc5274c78  3HL on Stitcher  https://listen.stitcher.com/yvap/?af_dp=stitcher://show/424124&af_web_dp=https://www.stitcher.com/show/424124&deep_link_value=stitcher://show/424124  3HL on Podchaser  https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/3hl-503331 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lori's book reviews from Hawaii! What has she been reading? Julia's Random thoughts and Hollywood Speak! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's wrong with Christianity? Aren't there “good people” there? Most of us who are now in the Messianic Torah Observant community came from Christianity. Wasn't there anything good we learned from being there? Can't we bring something over with us as we've transitioned to Torah observance? Didn't we consider ourselves as “saved” while under that system? What deadly disease can the system of Christianity be compared to? Rabbi Steve Berkson brings extremely important answers and perspective to these and many other thoughts and questions regarding “come out of her my people”, as well as “get her out of you my people”. Take advantage of new teachings every week. To learn more about MTOI, visit our website, https://mtoi.org. Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mtoiworldwide Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mtoi_worldwide You can contact MTOI by emailing us at admin@mtoi.org or calling 423-250-3020. Join us for Shabbat Services & Torah Study LIVE, streamed on our YouTube Channel every Saturday at 1:15 pm and every Friday for Torah Study Live Stream at 7:30 pm, eastern time.

Daily Dad Jokes (13 Mar 2023) Listen to the Daily Dad Jokes podcast here: https://dailydadjokespodcast.com/ or search "Daily Dad Jokes" in your podcast app. You can now submit your own dad jokes to my voicemail, with the best ones to be included in upcoming episodes on this podcast. Just leave your name, the city and state you live in, and your best Dad Joke. Call (978) 393-1076. Look forward to hearing from you! [Promo] Daily Shower Thoughts is a new podcast launched by myself and my co-host Lorelai Stewart. Join us for random, amusing and mind bending epiphanies. Pod links here Daily Shower Thoughts website. [Promo] Check out the Get Happy Headlines podcast by my friends, Stella and Mickey. It's a podcast dedicated to bringing you family friendly uplifting stories from around the world. Give it a listen, I know you will like it. Pod links here Get Happy Headlines website. [Promo] Looking for the perfect gift for your Dad? Check out our official Daily Dad Jokes merch here, including our popular "Dad Joke University" T-shirts Click here to browse Jokes sourced and curated from reddit.com/r/dadjokes. Joke credits: sitesouk, dadjokeschannel, Thedudethat_does, AtTheRogersCup2022, putcleverusername, k_woz1978, extremephantom001, Chris_Mannix, DanDoge5169, craptuner, Schnauss, CosmonautCommando, myverypunnydad, Objective-Elk-2910, dadjokeschannel, dadjokeschannel, Stationary-Event, Hans_Schultz75, MasterpieceFit6715, dadjokeschannel, Becksy40, Masselein, dadjokeschannel, OskarTheRed Subscribe to this podcast via: Spotify iTunes Google Podcasts Youtube Channel Social media: Instagram Facebook Twitter Tik Tok Discord Interested in advertising or sponsoring our show with +15k daily streams? Contact us at mediasales@klassicstudios.com Produced by Klassic Studios using AutoGen Podcast technology (http://klassicstudios.com/autogen-podcasts/) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The craziest thing to happen at the Oscars this year wasn't a slap across the face or a ton of jabs at conservatives. Rather, the craziest thing is that for the first time in a long time, the skeleton of the Oscars production wasn't rooted in wokeness. Liz pulls the curtain back to reveal what's happening behind the scenes in Hollywood, why it's a massive cultural movement waiting to happen, and why it's crucial that conservatives get it right. This is The Liz Wheeler Show. -- See why tens of thousands of business owners trust Patriot Software. Try the accounting and payroll software for FREE for 60 days using promo code LIZ: https://patriotsoftware.com. -- Get 10% off at 4Patriots when you use the promo code LIZ: https://4Patriots.com. -- Cozy Earth provides the softest, most luxurious sheets on the planet. Save 35% on Cozy Earth bamboo bedding at https://cozyearth.com/liz35. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Marc Ross, an NFL Network analyst, joined Steve and Jeff to discuss the blockbuster trade between the Carolina Panthers and Chicago Bears for the top overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. Ross said Carolina should target Alabama quarterback Bryce Young. He also talked about Jameis Winston's contract situation with the Saints. Ross called this year's free agent class "weak." The guys spoke to WWL listeners about Jameis Winston's options on the open market. 

On this episode we discuss how no one is safe from bippin' in the Bay. Recently a professional wrestler found his rental ran through with his gear and title belt taken. We bet the over/under on how long until the belt ends up on a Thizzler Cypher. Then California's Governor Gavin Newsome wages war on Walgreens as the company complied with requests to cease shipment of prescriptions that aid in medicated abortion to states that have since banned them. Is he overstepping or simply setting the tone for our state. Shawn Kemp former Seattle SuperSonic's star found himself involved in a drive-by shooting. As more details emerged it proved that the hooper was acting in self-defense we'll fill in the blanks. Plus a beef between beat makers? Problems with producers? Recently Hitmaka sat with Ebro In The Morning and used their platform to take shots at HitBoy. Wasn't long before HitBoy responded with a track aimed at a handful of his peers MetroBoomin included. Now it seems that we have a 3-way Verzuz that needs to happen. We discuss if producers are more sensitive about their craft than rappers. All that and much more on episode 167 of UNPROFESSIONAL AF! (Intro) Conway The Machine & Jae Skeese - Metallic 5's (Shit We On) Rich: Jay Worthy- Uza Trikk Ruk: Drumwork Music Group- Food --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unprofessionalafpodcast/message

Deuce and Mo react to the Kings holding on to beat the Knicks in front of a naitonal audience, how Fox took over in the 4th, the rebounding issues, why Mike Brown wasn't happy and they look ahead to Kings-Suns.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There's been no shortage of gripping macroeconomic developments this week. On today's Macrocast, hosts Bryan DeAngelis, Ylan Mui, Brendan Walsh, and John Fagan dive into the February jobs report and what it can tell us about women in the workforce, before breaking down some key takeaways from Fed Chair Jerome Powell's semi-annual testimony before Congress. In the second half of the show, the group takes on this morning's astonishing meltdown at Silicon Valley Bank. Read Penta's February Jobs Day Fact Sheet here.

Florida police are looking for the driver of a dually truck that did a burnout and left tire marks on a "Pride" flag that was painted on a Ft. Lauderdale street. Yes, Bubba has a very similar-looking truck. No, that wasn't Bubba. A Mexican drug cartel writes an apology letter after two Americans were killed while traveling south of the border for discount tummy tucks. Colin Kaepernick emerges once again to play the race/victim card. This time he's attacking his white adoptive parents. And Joe Biden claims MAGA Republicans are trying to defund the police. Sponsor: Reliefband is the #1 FDA-Cleared anti-nausea wristband that has been clinically proven to quickly relieve and effectively prevent nausea and vomiting associated with motion sickness, anxiety, migraines, hangovers, morning sickness, chemotherapy and so much more. Whether you need everyday nausea relief or just an occasional cure from nausea, their patented technology makes feeling sick a thing of the past. Forget the days of nausea pills that make you groggy and exhausted. It's like the name says. Reliefband is legitimately a band you wear on your wrist to give you relief from nausea and you can change the intensity depending on how you are feeling to make it stronger or weaker. If you want the band that actually works at relieving your nausea, check out Reliefband. Right now, we've got an exclusive offer just for RICK & BUBBA listeners. If you go to https://reliefband.com and use promo code BUBBA you'll receive 20% off plus free shipping and a no questions asked 30-day money back guarantee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chunga is sick! He hasn't been sick since he had Covid 2-years ago. He says being sick feels "different" than it felt before the pandemic! What? Really?He's so sick, Shannon has made him stop his diet!Get ready!!! The Radio Ronin March Madness brackets open this Sunday!!!Chris and Bren went to a local steak house with Adam and Denise Hunsaker... And it wasn't good! Wasn't good at all!!!!CHUNGA POLL: Where's your favorite place to get a steak?!? Post your answers below!!!!So... The Last of Us. Are you caught up? That last episode was CRAZY!!! It left Chandler speechless and very emotional!Plus!! Gregg has a new music based Movie Shout Out!!! Listen now!!!!

Chunga is sick! He hasn't been sick since he had Covid 2-years ago. He says being sick feels "different" than it felt before the pandemic! What? Really?He's so sick, Shannon has made him stop his diet!Get ready!!! The Radio Ronin March Madness brackets open this Sunday!!!Chris and Bren went to a local steak house with Adam and Denise Hunsaker... And it wasn't good! Wasn't good at all!!!!CHUNGA POLL: Where's your favorite place to get a steak?!? Post your answers below!!!!So... The Last of Us. Are you caught up? That last episode was CRAZY!!! It left Chandler speechless and very emotional!Plus!! Gregg has a new music based Movie Shout Out!!! Listen now!!!!

Dr. Thomas L. Hogan, Ph.D., is senior research faculty at AIER. He was formerly the chief economist for the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs. Politicians should be more critical of the Fed's monetary and regulatory policies, Powell wasn't completely honest yesterday

Jase calls his mother to ask why he was never a child model, Lauren gets a mole check and we talk about Teachers with tattoos.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rachel and Dustin have only been together for two months after first meeting on a dating app and things seemed to be going fine, but the other day someone named Tiffany reached out to Rachel telling her that they are seeing the same guy. Ever since then Rachel has noticed smaller things like blonde hair in Dustin's car even though she has black hair and that when Dustin stays late at work he's at Tiffany's place. At the same time, Rachel saw Dustin's photo album and found he had a bunch of hidden photos of real women in swimwear. Rachel just wants to know if she should be investing more time into the relationship or if she should take Tiffany seriously.We call Dustin pretending to send him a free bouquet of flowers and when we ask him who he wants them sent to, Dustin tells us he knows what is going on, but he's not 100% sure who is setting him up right now. Find out what‘s really going on in today's all NEW War of the Roses!

Happy International Women's Day! This year the BWW team take a moment to reimagine a working world that actually meets the needs of women! From changes to the structure of the working day to introducing a 'women's tax' to account for free domestic labour, we had a lot of fun putting the world to rights in this episode. Stay in touch on the socials and let us know what you think women need at work Connect Email: blackwomenworkinguk@gmail.com Twitter and Instagram: @bwwpodcastuk, #bwwpodcastuk Website: www.blackwomenworking.com Natalie- @mscarter_13 Tols- @tolsabeni Chantelle- @mscocolondon Rachel- @rachnjk

Welcome to The Blathering on The Napzok Network. Part ramble, part rant, part joy, part anger -- the Blathering is a solo podcast from Ken Napzok. The on-air sign goes on and the show goes from there. Purchase Ken's book Why We Love Stars: The Great Moments That Built A Galaxy Far, Far Away. kennapzok.com Twitter #TheNapzokFiles Instagram Patreon YouTube Listen to Ken on Pop Rockin' Radio. Latest from Morning Drive Media! (https://linktr.ee/Mdmediashows) More for SNN (https://linktr.ee/SaturdayNightNapzok) --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-napzok-network/support

How has technology impacted modern finance and created an asymmetrical relationship between Wall Street and individual investors? In this episode, we speak with Spencer Jakab, the author of The Revolution That Wasn't and editor of the Wall Street Journal's Heard on the Street column. Spencer dives into the differences between Wall Street and a casino, outlines the risks of being an active investor on Wall Street, and looks at how technology has created an environment where trading stocks is no longer expensive. He emphasizes the importance of long-term investing with tools such as index funds or compound interest to build wealth without playing 'the game'. Let's dive in![00:01 - 07:00] Opening Segment• From Wall Street Trader to Financial Journalist: Spencer Jacob's Journey • How he learned about finance and got a job in emerging markets• Introducing The Revolution That Wasn't[07:01 - 13:40] Examining the GameStop Revolution• How the pandemic provided Spencer an excellent opportunity to start a side project• The genesis of the book • The GameStop stock surge• The initial headlines about the GameStop surge[13:41 - 20:37] Exploring the 'Meme Stock' Phenomenon• The story about meme stocks • Meme stocks went way beyond their fundamental value• Examining the meme stock squeeze• Short selling is a legitimate practice where people bet against stocks without owning them[20:38 - 27:44] Wall Street: Not a Casino, But a Place to Build Wealth • Young Reddit traders made money, but they were net contributors to already rich people• Wall Street is mainly made up of intermediaries who are not taking risks with their own money• Wall Street is not a casino, but it can be marketed as one • The correlation between the level of activity and returns[27:45 - 35:01] The Revolution That Wasn't• Trading used to be expensive, but technological change has democratized finance• The "zero price effect." • People consume more of something when it is free• The pandemic caused record volatility in the stock market, leading to an increase in trading activity[35:02 - 42:16] The Missed Opportunity• From the bear market low to one year after, 96% of American stocks rose• Stocks that were popular in Robinhood did better than more established stocks• The credibility of older, wiser investors vs. the success of younger, social media-savvy investors • The gamification of investing[42:17 - 52:20] Closing Segment• How to beat Wall Street and participate without playing the game• Technology has lowered the cost of investing, allowing for more market participants• Wall Street can be a place to build wealth over the decades with the right approach.Want to connect with Spencer? Head to his website to learn more about his work!Key Quotes:"What's money for, if not to give you the freedom to do something you really wanna do." - Spencer Jakab"If it's free, it means you are the product." - Brian Adams“The most successful individual investors tend to be those who sit back and let things develop.” - Spencer JakabDownload our FREE Strategizing for Inflation Guide here:

I don't know about you, but I believe that as human beings we have cravings beyond sex and a bag of Doritos. We, as humans, also have emotional cravings. We yearn to feel loved, to feel wanted, appreciated, validated, and included. I desire to be a part of something, to be in a community, to have experiences that I create and am invited to. When we become mothers, that connection is needed even more in order for us to grow. The problem is, we are moving father away from it than ever before. This chapter is all about mommy FOMO, how to acknowledge you have it, and how to get out of the traps. I hope you enjoy the little pieces I read and that you pick up your copy of The Honest Mom Project today! You can grab your copy on www.michellemansfieldauthor.com/books and leave a review when you're done reading it. Thank you so much for your support and encouragement everyone!

The guys talk about Ja Morant and what may happen to him - and what advice they'd give him. More on Ja Morant and the state of the West with AD now leading the Lakers. The guys swipe left or right in Radio Tinder. Reviews of the Chris Rock Netflix special… Now that Chris Rock has slammed Will Smith…is Kap now a Will Smith fan again? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Dallas Stars (34-17-13) had their hearts broken on Monday night as they watched Tyler Toffoli score the game-winning goal for the Calgary Flames with 6 seconds left in the third period. The Stars clawed their way back from a 4-2 deficit, but the defense was messy and burned the Stars at many instances in the contest. Today, we hear from Jason Robertson, Roope Hintz and Tyler Seguin and gather their thoughts on the loss and what they can learn from it as they face a daunting 6 game roads trip. Follow Dane on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Dane__Lewis Follow the show on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LockedOnStars Follow the show on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lockedonstars/ Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you'll get 15% off your next order. Athletic Greens To make it easy, Athletic Greens is going to give you a FREE 1 year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D AND 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase. All you have to do is visit athleticgreens.com/NHLNETWORK FanDuel Make Every Moment More.Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Roman Colosseum is a giant, oval amphitheater built almost two thousand years ago. Despite its age and a 14th century earthquake that knocked down the south side of the colosseum, most of the 150-some foot building is still standing. Like many ancient Roman structures, parts of it were constructed using a specific type of concrete. Scientists and engineers have long suspected a key to these buildings' durability is their use of this Roman concrete. But exactly how this sturdy concrete has contributed to the architecture's strength has been a mystery to researchers across the globe.A team of interdisciplinary researchers have recently discovered one answer to why these ancient Roman buildings have weathered the test of time — while many modern, concrete structures seem to crumble after a few decades. The answer: self-healing concrete. Curious about other new discoveries or potential climate solutions scientists are researching? Email us at ShortWave@NPR.org.

Luka Doncic had a shot to tie the game but Kyrie Irving and the Dallas Mavericks fall to Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, and the Phoenix Suns. Nick Angstadt (@NickVanExit) and Isaac Harris (@IsaacLHarris) breakdown the Mavs loss, what was going on with Luka Doncic before and during the game, and what Kyrie Irving contributed. How good were Tim Hardaway Jr. and Christian Wood off the bench? (Very.) How did Kyrie Irving impact the game? Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms… 

Georgia Panagopoulou AKA @wine.gini  has been listed in  Top Wine Influencers.  She is incredibly successful at bridging the gap between wine and  the digital world.Check out the website: www.drinkingonthejob.com for great past episodes. Everyone from Iron Chefs, winemakers, journalist and more.

The future of crypto and banks looks uncertain. Car loan delinquencies are up. Plus, a dive into January's economic readings. Host: Jackson Cantrell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So we watched the WEHO show. The show that shall not be named. And it was something. The Best Friends of Weho, or Besties of WEHO, or that one show that ruined Drag Race... no matter what you call it, it's a Real Housewives clone but meant for queer/gay people? Is it good? Is it good representation? Did we enjoy it?! This started as a media we enjoy, but quickly got us on this tangent just because of how episode 1 hit us, in a weird wayy.— MANSCAPEED: Check out the new and improved Lawn Mower 4.0 and enjoy this special 20% off with code WATTS20 ~ at http://www.manscaped.com! —- ASHLEY LINKS -Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ashgavscomedy Insta: https://www.instagram.com/ashgavs/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSD4jzd-0jOsZ9KAe9rxmPQ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/13Uhq9pO2Dx799YyWXZvB1 Itunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/were-having-gay-sex/id1505116116 Discord: https://discord.gg/bxqDQVcKH7 Amps Linktree: https://linktr.ee/pupamp Kristofer Linktree: https://linktr.ee/mrkristofer SAFEWORD MERCH: http://www.safewordshop.com TWITCH: http://twitch.tv/wattsthesafeword Watts Your Safeword Podcast:Itunes: http://apple.co/2QkMDwk Spotify: http://spoti.fi/2QjPNjL Twitters:http://twitter.com/WattsTheSafewrd http://twitter.com/PupAmp http://twitter.com/kristoferweston Instagrams:https://instagram.com/PupAmp/ https://instagram.com/mrkristoferweston https://instagram.com/wattsthesafeword Facebook: http://ow.ly/Z5nvM Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WattsTheSafeword Opening by the magical Aethernaut https://aethernaut.bandcamp.com Music by Joakim Karud http://youtube.com/joakimkarud

INTRODUCTION: Deeon C. Brown is the host of the Man Versus Brand Podcast plus he is a life as well as a business coach. Deeon's work explores the intersectionality between brand and the human experience, as such a crossroad is what put Deeon on the path that he so graciously glides down today.  DEEON'S BIO:  Deeon Brown is a business coach and veteran at creating and growing highly profitable business models, managing full spectrum creative programs and developing highly collaborative teams. Deeon is the owner of Project Big Brand, a company that creates, deconstructs or repairs business programs. Deeon Brown is a media contributor and launched his podcast, Man Versus Brand to analyze the intersectionality between brand and human experience. Deeon is based in Manhattan and sees the world as his place of business.  INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      Surviving The Death Of Both Parents As A Child·      Growing Up In East New York·      Violence Over Brands·      Community As It Relates To Brands·      Identity Derived From Brands·      HIV/AIDS Impact On Non-Queer People·      Dealing With Business Loss·      Navigating The Fog Of Grief CONNECT WITH DEEON: Website: https://manversusbrand.comWebsite: https://deeonbrown.comWebsite: https://projectbigbrand.com  CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comWebsite: https://www.DownUnderApparel.comTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sexdrugsandjesusYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SDJPodcast.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBible (Jeffrey Kranz)o  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net VETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg  INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: Deeon C. Brown[00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Ion Brown is the host of the Man versus Brand podcast. Plus, he is a life as well as a business coach. All Dion's work explores the intersectionality between brand and the human experience. As such a crossroads is what put Dion on the very path. That he is on today, which he so graciously glides down.Join us y'all as we talk about how Dion survived the death of both of his [00:01:00] parents at a very young age, how he grew up in East New York, and how he witnessed the violence of a brands and how that inspired him to become the entrepreneur and the businessman that he is today. Dion helps people. Deion helps businesses and everything in between.Hello, hello, hello everyone. I'm wishing you all a wonderful life, a wonderful existence, wonderful spirits, wonderful energy, wonderful angels, wonderful loved ones who have gone before hanging around you and bringing you all the juicy and bubbl delicious things that make you feel good and comfortable and cozy.My name is Devon. I'm the host of the Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast, and I'm here for my homeboy, Dion Brown, who is the host of the Man Versus Brand Podcast. We're gonna be talking to [00:02:00]y'all about grief and life, and loss and love, and tribe and victory and success, and really bring it full circle for you today.Dion, how are you? Deeon: I am good, man. Thank you dev and for having me on your podcast. Anyone that is watching or listening to the sound of my voice, I hope that you have blessings and balance in your life. I hope that whatever you are experiencing right now is happening for your benefit and I am really, really authentically excited to be on this podcast.So thank you for having me. De'Vannon: Hell fucks. Yeah. So I'm gonna read a little bit of snippets from your biography because your biography is so immense, you know, usually I can do like a, you know, a, a summation or a run through, but you've got a lot going on. So it says, you know, Dion, which I'm here for the having a lot going on cause I'm the same way.It says Dion Brown. He's a business [00:03:00] coach and veteran at creating, growing, wait, creating and growing highly profitable business models, managing full spectrum creative programs, and developing highly collaborative teams. John is, Dion is the owner of Project Big Brand. He's gonna tell us what that is in his own words, but it is the company that creates deconstructs of repairs, business programs.Deion Brown is a media contributor and launched his podcast, man versus brand that analyzed the intersectionality between brand and the humane experience. Dion is based in Manhattan where they got six inches of snow going on right now outside, and he sees the world at his place of bitterness. Yes, sir.So tell us what the the project big brand is. Deeon: Absolutely. So Project Big Brand was birthed like [00:04:00] all of my projects and endeavors out of a need. What I found was that a, a lot of my client, when I was in my. Sort of early thirties when, when I first got to New York were were businesses that functioned in meeting people, but that had, hadn't quite understood the landscape of digital.And so these were like restaurants, museums, galleries real estate. A lot of, of industries that really focused on person to person interaction that thrived in in-person experiences, but didn't really understand how to translate those experiences into profit online. So I started in, in an online space.What I realized though is that folks wasn't really about, [00:05:00] The fact that they didn't understand it, they just didn't have the right talented people on their teams to help initiate the right sort of campaigns and programming that would help them to be successful in that space. So what I ended up doing was being a bit of a recruiter, I would go to companies, figure out what they needed.and then find really talented people that were being underserved, whether they weren't getting traction on their resumes they didn't have the, the, the in the box credentials that seemed necessary for the role. And I would start being like a matchmaker. So I realized I had talent that really was underserved, matched with opportunities that were, that were also being underserved and.I figured out a way to create pairings. And so those pairings worked out with with domestic talent. So, like, you know, in the US maybe you live in San Francisco you, you, you won't consult or work for a company [00:06:00] in New York or maybe even San Francisco internationally. So there's some really great folks that are working in the international space that are, are not necessarily being tapped into domestically because, Of language barrier, time barrier, whatever.And so I just really create synergies. And it's, a lot of it is, is like therapy. It's, it's, a lot of it is coaching, A lot of it is like, what's your goals? What do you want, what do you feel is blocking you from getting there? Give me a missing person's report of someone who would make your life easier.What does an easy life look like for you? And that's just. on a personal level, it's also on an organizational level. Like what makes your organization move easily? What makes your organization happy? What adds to the culture of your organization so that the people that make up that organization feel better about their lives at the end of the day?And so I spend a lot of time working with people a lot of time. B being the bridge in communication and strategy [00:07:00] and systems and tools and and coaching a lot. And, and I. So y'all, De'Vannon: y'all might be wondering what the fact does all this business talk have to do with taboo topics and troubled times?Is it because, because Dionne's story is rooted, you know, in, in grief, you know, and in and in. So in pain and. . And like, like I was saying when I was reading as a bio, the, the intersectionality between like, you know, business and the human experience is very, very intriguing to me. And I've never heard it said that way, you know, or demonstrate it that way.And so before, before we, before we get, you know, more onto like the business aspect of it and everything like that, I want you to to tell us, you know, w like, like in your youth, you know, what happened to set you [00:08:00] on this course? When I was researching you on one line that I pulled, that I'm gonna read was about, you said like from about age nine you used every resource that you could define to connect and buy these brands, and you did a lot of chores and you traded everything that you could find and you hustled.So, So we have before this, you know, Dionne Brown who seems to be doing his thing, but it wasn't that way. So the taboo in this episode is the struggle that it took to get him here. And so, and that, and that's, and that's really, really, really what I want to focus on. So tell me about your childhood growing up in New York.Deeon: So I'm gonna bridge for you guys. A story. And, and I think in the story you'll understand kind of where I am, not only in my personal life, but also in the business life and, and how there is that intersectionality between brand and human experience. So I grew up in East New York and Brooklyn, east New [00:09:00] York and Brooklyn is very similar to like the Comptons of the world where, you know, for a very long time.It was un gentrified. It appeared super dangerous. It was a community that was brought together by like economic conditions, right? Like we, we just could only afford, but so much, and until we lived together, even to this day, very much, very many parts of the place that I grew up in isn't, it isn't quite gentrified yet.It, it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles. The traditional New York setting if you wanna look it up again, it's called East New York and Brooklyn. So, grew up in East New York and Brooklyn and I grew up in the, the, I'm an eighties baby. I grew up predominantly in the nineties and. During that time, it was like the brand explosion, right?You had like Nintendo, Sega, Timberland, the Jordan brand, N B A, you [00:10:00] had Nike, you had all of these kind of mega brands, really having a one-directional conversation with. Right. They were just like, if you want some validity in your life, if you want to feel substantial in your life, then here is something that you can use to represent that validity.And, and I think it's arguable in some circles, whether that was done purposefully on the part of the brand or if it was just the way that that particular kind of consumer. Absorb that information. The reality is, is that's what happened, right? So that meant that folks were killing for Timbalands, folks were robbing folks for eight ball jackets.Kids were fighting over Nintendo systems. It was violent and it was violent over brands. Wasn't violent over drugs, wasn't violent over turf or [00:11:00] territory, it was violent over brands. And so when I grew up, I wanted to understand where all that violence came from. Now add to that, both my parents before I was the age of 12, had both passed.And both of them had passed in some sort of cultural. problem. I, I'm gonna talk about my, both my parents, but very briefly, I'm not gonna get into the nuts and bolts of it because I think that it could be a trigger warning and not only triggering for the group, but it could also slightly be triggering for me.So this is what I will tell you about my parents is that my mother was shot in the back as an E M T worker and thrown into a bay in New York where her body was found later on. My dad. died of H I V in the nineties where there wasn't treatment for it. He was a heterosexual male, but [00:12:00]regardless that no one thought that heterosexual males would have H I v at that time, I think the only real popular figure was like the guy from la, I can't remember his name right now, God forbid, forgive me, but there was just like one person and maybe Magic Johnson, maybe Magic Johnson, and like one other rapper that everyone knew about that had it, that were considered heterosexual males.And so it was truly unknown that this could really happen to a person who didn't identify in the spectrum of queerness, right? And. . Not only was I witnessing violence on a local level, like around me career around these brands, but I was also experiencing it in my own personal life. So not only was I interested.In a curious way as to why people perpetuated this violence. But that violence had hit home for me. Now, not in the same way. It wasn't related to [00:13:00] brands, but it was, it was, it was violence for violence sake. And so I wanted to understand what drove people to violence, but specifically in this social brand.and, and that informed a lot of my life. Like I I, I focused on out of home or advertisements in brands. I focused on analytics and understanding what drove people to make brand decisions. I focused on focus groups and, and brand opinion of different segments of folks. Once I kind of got to the point where I was.Leader in understanding brands, I then repurposed myself into ensuring that brands gave back to neighborhoods that were negatively inflect in, in negatively impacted by their influence. Right? So I had Adidas coming to, not just to the Upper West side, but also to the deep parts of Brooklyn in order to do giveaways and.A lot of [00:14:00] that has been what's informed my career path because I wanted to make sure that I met my own understanding of brands with this childhood that was very much influenced by the brands and how they created for good and for bad an influence on the people who wanted to have a life associated.De'Vannon: Well, my deepest apologies for, for my gosh, for having lost both your parents in such a, you know, in such a way. But you know, thank God you are still here and you know, you're a living testimony to help millions of people out there. And sowould you say, did you say you researched brands and everything like that? . And you, I know you said that the, the turf wars and everything like that was necessarily over drugs, but do you feel like people can become addicted to brands and it becomes type [00:15:00] of a drug? Deeon: Absolutely. I absolutely think so. I think that brands can be a physical representation of.A person struggle to overcome identity issues, to overcome not fitting into to social normative behavior or structures. I think that brands can allow people who feel like they. Are lonely or that don't have community, to find community by creating these very clear and obvious physical representations.And I don't think it's just like the, the high-end brands, I think we tend to think of like the Gucci, the Louise, the, the jewelry, right. But I mean, you can even look at things like Comic-Con or cosplay where people are very. Putting [00:16:00] on the brand of an anime in order to, to align themselves to another group of people, usually not only because they love that brand, but because they're looking for community in, in a very physical, upfront, clear, transparent way.And so I think that that folks can be very much addicted to an association with brands like people can become addicted to To surgeries, to plastic surgeries, to this sort of outward performative individuality that also hearkens to trying to find community. Mm-hmm. De'Vannon: community touches on, on all of us and, you know, we, we are so tribal, you know, by nature and, you know, that is just how God designed us and we.You are always gonna clinging ourselves at be it happy hour, be it the soccer league, be it whatever, you know, we're [00:17:00] not meant to exist independently, you know, otherwise God would've made us that way. So it's about owning that, you know, and acknowledging that, and paying attention to when you're going overboard with it, when you're not doing enough with it.You know, when I got kicked out of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, you know, I, I became a drug dealer and I didn't realize that I was replacing my church community with a street life. And I was like trying to patch a wound. I didn't realize that all I did was go and try to seek the same thing somewhere else.And you know, my mind wasn't operating that way. But let me see. I had like a super great. Like, like I was telling you before we got on this show, you know, I've been going through this breakup, like I was with that, with that guy for four and a half years. And we're gonna talk about that, that episode coming up here in a couple of minutes.One of the key things that, that, that, that woman said was that when you're dealing through like that sort of [00:18:00] grief, you just have like a numbness and it's like you can't get your thoughts straight , you know, that, you know, that is what I'm going, you know, through, right through right now. But let me just Circle Cir circle back to here.I want to talk about, I wanna talk about your logo. I have a fascination with like logos and book covers and artwork and things like that because I know it says you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but damn it. Why the fuck else are we making the cover? It's not to be judged. You need to get your attention somehow.So yours is super interesting. I see. It's like you're sitting there in your face list, which is a very, very like American Horror Story. Ah, my Deeon: man versus brand cover art. Got it. Ok. Now ok. We're, we're there. Ok. De'Vannon: So in, in either hand you have two different facial expressions going on. Yep. On the light, there's like a light.Ish, blue, kind of surreal. And if I wanna get all gay about it. But then on the other side, , [00:19:00] it is like slightly more demure. That face doesn't look as happy. Your shirt, it's a red shirt that says neck, next level. Mm-hmm. . You have various words in the back on the light side where the sun is. It says like fearless, innovative, creative, un, you know, un.And then on the other side where the thunder clouds are, is like failure and genius. you have like fake it till you break it, but the F is slashed off, which is, turns it into, make it till you break it. But the R in break is flipped upside down and also reversed. Yes. Now you know you gonna have a logo like this and I'm gonna need you to break it down.Cause this clearly you trying to make a statement. Absolutely, Deeon: absolutely . So, so thank you for bringing that up. Alright, so the, the logo is for the podcast. It's the cover art that I use and it, it speaks to this phenomenon that I experienced. During Covid, [00:20:00] right? And, and, and here's what happened.So I was leading a real estate firm that had sales in the hundreds of millions. I had you know, hu hundreds of agents that reported to me. And during Covid, like I didn't have a lot of answers. I didn't have a lot of answers. But not only did I not have a lot of answers, I didn't have a lot of answers for hundreds of agents that were trying to conduct business because.Weirdly in Covid, a lot of people moved. They moved from apartments into homes. They moved from smaller apartments into larger apartments. A lot of people went in backyard space. It was a lot going on. And New York is a competitive market already, so you could already imagine like just what was going on when people wanted to move.And what I realized is, is that I didn't have a safe space to say I didn't know. I just had to come up with. , and I'm fine with that because I think I'm inherently one of those people that is curious [00:21:00] by nature. I, I, I grew up at eight trying to figure out stuff and figure out life and figure out the, the meaning behind death and all that stuff, right?And so now I'm like pretty good at problem solving. . And I have a great group of people around me, but, but what it also meant is that I, I then went to my community, right? Speaking of community and asked them like, yep, I'm going through this, is anybody else? And everybody was like, yeah, like, this is weird.I, I don't have answers and people want me to, or, or I'm, I'm going to zoom funerals and I don't know what to say, or I'm. and, and they want me to come to work and I don't know how to advocate for myself. And so I wanted to create a safe space for people who didn't have all the answers, to not have the answers, and to listen to people who also didn't have the answers.Not have the answers right. I wanted a space where like, [00:22:00] not having the answer was absolutely fine. . And, but what that meant is that I also had to realize that we're all wearing these hats, these masks, right? Like Davanon Davanon is a bartender. He is an advocacy for for demystifying. Prejudices.He is a online store owner. He is a podcast creator. He is a book owner, a book author, right? And, and all of those things are important, and all of them come with their own adjectives, their own thoughts, their own feelings. . And at any given point you get to decide which one of those masks you wanna wear and occupy which identity you wanna occupy.And so in that, that thing, in that artwork, the, the smiling side, which has the sun and the [00:23:00]raining side, which has the sort of more dir face, they're not all positive and negative adjectives, right? You can be unhappy and genius, right? You can be you can be effective and lost. Right? And that's that sort of duality of not having all the answers is.It's okay not to be one thing. You don't have to always be positive. Just like you don't have to always be negative, you don't have to always be happy and you don't have to always be sad. You can decide to embrace the part of the journey, the part of the process that you're in. If you're grieving, you have the right to grieve.You have the right to grieve deeply. You have the right to grieve loudly, and no one can tell you. What is grieve worthy or not like? No one can say like, well, you, that you are only in that thing for a year. It's fine. You should, you'll be over it in a month. Or, you know, that dog wasn't, isn't a person, [00:24:00] so why are you so upset about it?Right? You get to be who you are. And so the artwork is about creating a safe space for people to be multiple things where the next level is on a shirt. It's not visually shown where, where it sometimes. You're gonna fake it till you make it. Sometimes you're gonna break it till you make it. Sometimes you'll never actually make it.That's okay too, right? Sometimes you'll make it in certain things and fake it in certain things and break it in certain things, and that's okay too, right? Where, where sometimes you're sitting in the middle of. Of rain and sun, and that's okay too. And so really all of it is about just being okay with where we are as people and being okay with where we are as brands because we get to be both a person, a human, and we get to be an author, a business owner.We get to be all of those things at once. And none of those things [00:25:00] should suffer because we wanna live completely in, in the truth of them. De'Vannon: That's a damn good explanation. , I think you, I asked you for a breakdown and you broke it the fuck down. Like James Brown, you, you, your last name Brown are you can to the Godfather soul.Oh, I got a Deeon: little, got a little dance. Maybe. Possibly. De'Vannon: You've earned your, your, your purple. Well he probably every color you your, your fucking purple cape today. Whoa. I know what I was gonna say before my mind lost this train of thought. And look, I don't mind. You know, during these episodes, I'm recording right now, you know, appearing all like.Scatterbrained and stuff like that in a week, because you know what I am right now, you know, my you know, my people out here in the world have seen me, you know, my strongest doing my best interviews, but I'm not gonna hide my weakness from anybody because that would be unrealistic. It would totally go against your logoYou know, you know, you know, this is, this is not my strongest time and I'm not complaining. [00:26:00] I'm just letting people know what's going on. You can probably tell and hear the difference in the way I'm conducting the interview, but like the dust from the ashes, I'm gonna rise that we gonna press forward.What I was, what I was gonna say when you were talking about the community aspect of the brands and you know, how we identify we needed for validation issues. This is part of the reason why I started my clothing line, my clothing store down under apparel, which specializes in lingerie's a very like sexual store.And people say like, we carry like plus size clothing. You know, it really, really does my heart, like, good to know that, that men and women who want to, who need like three XL lingerie or boxer briefs can come there and not feel judged. They can feel included, you know, and, and they can feel like them as a, you know, a plus size sexual being is a totally valid thing.You know, just for starters, I get all kinds of like messages from [00:27:00] people and people We have, like men's lace, lingerie, you know, there's a lot of, there's men who identify as straight enough who have like girlfriends and they like wear their, their, they, they would wear her lingerie because they like to cross dress or whatever.Yeah. But, you know, a man's body is completely different from a woman's body and so they really, really appreciate having. Lace, feminine lingerie, that's cut for the male physique, for instance. Yeah. You know, and so there's so much like love in like clothing, you know, it's not just clothes or it's not just a brand or whatever it might be.So, Deeon: so to add to that, right, I think that, . I, I, I, I appreciate first that you bring that up because I think that there is something to performative brand association and then something that tends to be more intimate, like let's say lingerie, right? And, and I think that that [00:28:00] oftentimes, right, the reason why we can't perform that sort of, those sort of associations, those sort of identities is because they don't fit into the tructure.Norm of what society thinks someone should wear. Right. Blue wasn't always the color associated with boys, and pink wasn't always the color associated with girls, right? There was a time period where boys and girls just due to economics would wear the same clothes. Like if you look at some of our old presidents, they're baby pictures.They're definitely in lace and freely clothes. They're definitely in what would be consider. Female attire. Right? And so it's not until society had determined that boy boys looked better in in blue and girls looked better in pink. A lot of it had to do with, and, and sorry for the folks who didn't know this, a lot of this had to do with eye color.Well, I haven't had to do with eye [00:29:00] color. What looked better with blue eyes, what looked better with brown eyes, a lot of it didn't have very much to do with gender. A lot of it had to do with babies and eye colors and hair colors and these sorts of features that typically didn't include non blonde-haired blue.People. So even in our understanding of color association there. Is some sense that, that you may actually fit outside of what the norm is. I know I don't look good in light blue. I look good in reds. All right. And so if I'm, if you're putting me in light blue, it may not work out for me. I look better in reds because that's due to my skin tone and my eye color, right?So there are certain things that work better in certain spaces. And with that conversation around identity, I think there's also one around. The [00:30:00] feel of a person, right? Like not all men are meant to to textually like hard, harsh fabrics. Like there are some people that lace feels natural. and individual to them, and in a way we rob people of their humanity by stating that you fit this gender identity.Therefore you should only like these type of fabrics, these type of colors, this sort of aesthetic. God bless all of the partners of the world that allow their partners to live fully. and honestly in what brings that person joy. Because to be brought joy should never create consequence that is negative.Right? Also I think that [00:31:00] to your conversation around plus size bodies or when they're negatively called fat bodies. And I'm gonna extend that conversation to those in wheelchairs. Those that may have some level of a syndrome those that may be differently abled, blind deaf. Right. I think they're oftentimes robbed of a level of intimacy that moves into romantic and or sexual.I think that people rob them of their, of the idea that these people should also exist as sexual beings. And so creating a safe space of body representation, I believe also gives credence to another person who may not experience. Being outside of a body norm who may exist in an ability norm or outside of an ability norm, right.To also say, [00:32:00] Hey, I am, I am allowed to give myself the right. To feel sexual, to feel desirable, to feel good about who I am, right? And so I do think that brands oftentimes spin their money, their marketing, in order to put you into a performance space to outwardly make you shout, Hey, I haven't associated with this brand.Hey, I look like this. Hey, these are my ideals. This is who I find community. But I do think that there are also brands that allow you to be an individual and to be intimate, and those tend to not be performative in the same way for the mass majority of people. Yes, there's gonna be guys that are wearing lace and putting in on social media.Right, but, but the majority of the median of those people are, are, it's something that is a one-on-one with them. It's something that makes them feel good. It's something that allows them to identify with themselves and not with a community. And I think that's the difference. Intimate brands allow you to [00:33:00] connect to yourself while performative brands allow you to connect to others.And so when you're connecting to yourself and to the desires of yourself and to what makes you feel good as a person. It allows you to be secure and settled in yourself and happy in yourself. It doesn't matter if another person ever sees that you're associated with that brand, cuz it's actually about you and your relationship one-on-one with yourself.Where a lot of performative brands, which tends to be a bit more dangerous, their, their, their job is to. To create a space for you to find community with a bunch of other people and whether you can afford it, whether you should have it, whether this thing is, is positively influencing and adding to your life.It doesn't matter to the brand because the brand is really about you showing others that you have this level of association.Woo. That was a lot. That's right there. That , that was a lot. That said a lot. Sorry guys, if I'm rambling my bad man. This is his podcast guys. He does an amazing job. But you know, I figured [00:34:00] if, if, if, if, if I can shed light, if that helps someone to, that is questioning their own sense of desirability, their own sense of fitting into a social norm, man, listen, do what, what feels right for you?and I promise you, the universe will allow you to be happy for respecting and representing your own wants. If those wants, in fact, don't harm anyone. And if those wants, in fact, brings you happiness, so go for it. De'Vannon: What, you're also speaking to Mr. Preacher because you, you, you, you could have been a preacher if you wanted toyou, you're speaking to the hypnosis effect and the subconscious manipulation that can happen with marketing and branding and stuff like that. And and I always want people to be aware of why they think what they think, why they're attracted to what they're attracted to, why they go about the business of doing what they're doing.And so there's nothing wrong if you want a roag, Gucci, however, if you judge others [00:35:00] for not having Gucci or if something were to happen to you and you lost your job and you could no longer afford Gucci, you should not think less of yourself or anyone else. So it's, it's a balancing act and being not too much nor too little, but being.so that it's not inherently evil, but it's also not necessarily inherently good either because it's everywhere that when you're constantly hit with marketing and it's on social media and all every damn body, you know, the celebrities and everything that is, that is leaving an impression upon you and you really, really, really ought to be careful not to get caught up in it.So, Deeon: so Devan, can I do a quick book drop for, for folks? I'm, I'm writing a book currently. Can I give a quick book drop that feels right in this moment? Do I have your permission? . All right, so I'm, I'm currently writing a book called Life Dysmorphia. Trademark is being filed No, no, I'm just kidding. I already filed, it's called Life Dysmorphia.So we understand what body dysmorphia is, where we see our bodies differently than maybe others do. And we have a negative take on our [00:36:00] bodies and, and, and in, in relationship to other bodies that we see that may not necessarily represent what the mass majority views as our. . Well, I believe that there's also life dysmorphia.I think that we can sometimes judge our lives in different spaces in social intellectual physical spiritual spaces and look at others and go, why don't I? Why don't I have that? Why am I not like that? I don't have this, and everyone else does. And I think that a lot of what we're talking about speaks to this idea of life dysmorphia where we, we don't see ourselves clearly because we don't see ourselves clearly.We start to make purchasing decisions, life decisions. From a place of trauma and pain and woundedness as opposed to being empowered and seeing clearly and representing who we are fully. As I'm working on this book it's being co-authored with my aunt, who is like my spiritual guru. [00:37:00] And and it's something that I'm really, really excited for.So life dysmorphia don't know when this episode's gonna drop, but guys, I promise you this book is coming out and I'm really, really excited about it. It breaks down things that you'll say to yourself in a mirror. A lot of it's is, is, is framework on a mirror conversation. That you have with yourself and that mirror talking back to you as it actually sees you and not how you see yourself.And so it's based on mirror conversation. So if you've ever looked in a mirror and said, I'm not worthy enough, I'm not attractive enough. , I'm not spiritual enough. I'm not smart enough. I'm not a good enough parent. I'm not a good enough friend. Right? Then, then, then this book is gonna be a way of the mirror and your future self, or your whole self talking back to you and giving you not necessarily an answer that you are or you aren't, but giving your perspective to think about it differently so that you can be happier and more set in your life.And, and, and work toward the healing that it would take for you to [00:38:00] embody the things that you ultimately wanna be. So, shameless book plug. It's coming out soon, guys, coming out soon. De'Vannon: And, and just like the saying, I speak massive healing, healing, healing over all of you nations because my God, do we need it?And so we will be behalf of the, to, to get a copy of that book and have you back on to discuss it because, you know, I'm a book nerd and so. Speaking of the intersectionality in between brand and the human experience, there was a show from your podcast. So so as Dion has mentioned, he has a podcast man versus brand Alo, along with his entrepreneurial work that he does at all the businesses and things like that.And now he's about to be an author, you know, he's wearing all the faces and all the hats. So from his podcast, there was this one show entitled What We Can Gain After Experiencing. And this was conducted with a certified grief coach whose name is Nazarene Ahed, [00:39:00] who is a professional certified coach.That's important. Not every coach out there is certified. There are certain certifications you can get. Not saying the non-certified ones are terrible. They're saying that that's a, that's something I appreciate seeing. And so in this episode, Dionne talks about. This, this company that, that, that, that, that, that you kept referring to as fledgling.It was suffering and striving. And you came on board and you eventually, you got promoted to partner and you really helped to take them from the shadows into the light. There was an online based business and something happened where you no longer had it, and you went through grief to the point that you had to go to therapy.Now, I never heard anybody talk, you, you, you talking about grief. Somebody didn't died, you done broke. The dog's dead, you know, the house and burn down, you know, or something like that. But this is, this is like a tie-in to a [00:40:00] business and branding and grief to the point that you had to see a therapist and so, and you're not the only one.There's many people, you know, you hear about successful business people losing a business deal and hurting themselves, killing themselves. People take financial and business laws hard, you know, speak to us about, . Deeon: So I think that oftentimes when we grieve, we, we grieve over the future of possibilities, right?And, and the future of possibilities might be, I, I, my grandmother should have been there for my wedding. My dog will no longer greet me when I walk into the door. The business that I had worked hard for is no longer operat. and I think that we, we are, we are, we have been socialized to believe that there's this hierarchy to grief, that grief is [00:41:00] supposed to be structured, and there are certain things that are at the top of the grief.Triangle pyramid, right? Like death of a parent or a child, and then it moves into death of a a partner, then death of a sibling, then death of a friend. We, even social has to believe that death has this hierarchy of influence in our life. And also that there is a finite time in which you should grieve, and then at some point you're supposed to get over it.What I realized though is that so the. personally, right? So I can only speak personally guys. The loss of my parents early on created in me this very deep wound of abandonment and loss, right? And so for me, things that people would otherwise find traumatic, I tend not to, right? So I don't know. I get, I'm in, [00:42:00] involved in a car accident.I'm, I'm okay medical emergency, I'm okay. Things that people would be like, wow, you know, it takes a strong person to experience that typically. Okay. If I experienced this sense of loss, it triggers in me a version of myself that is now eight years old and powerless to do anything. And so for me, the need for therapy was representational.I, I, I didn't really need to solve the fact that this company went under, I needed to solve the fact that lost hit me so deeply that it was paralyzing. To the other things that I needed to accomplish in order to move forward. And it's something I still deal with. Like I still deal with laws very tough.I have a tough time with laws. I still deal with life occurrences where things like that happen and I take it very [00:43:00] much to heart. I have over empathetic feelings about people who experience loss. And so I still see the remnants of it. I just think that I've now have the tools and the skills in order to understand why I'm experiencing these feelings, what these feelings are rooted in, and, and understand that that even though the feelings.Could feel deep and they could feel overwhelming. It could feel that I'm in this endless ocean of pain, of loss, that all I have to do is wade until I see a direction and then I can swim. The other part of me thought it was either drown or. Right. What therapy taught me is that you actually have the option to wait to just tread water and to just look around and get some assessment of where you are and why you were there, and then [00:44:00] move when you feel led to move, because there's in fact a clear direction for you to move in and that clear direction.May be a passage of time. It may be a circumstance that occurred. It may be a revelatory moment or dream. I don't know what that looks like for any individual person, but there's a moment where, , there is something beyond the fog of pain and trauma and misery and whatever that thing is, you can decide to move in that direction, or you can decide to tread more to war water and wait until you see another direction that may be more suited to you.The point is, is that you don't have to drown or swim, and so whatever that lesson looks, , whether it's dropping outta college, whether it's losing your job, a divorce, a breakup, a loss, right? It's important that you [00:45:00] as the listener, as a person experiencing it as a person who's experiencing it in relationship to someone that you know or love.That you acknowledge that not only could you be one experiencing the pain of the very circumstance that you're going through, but you could also be experiencing a remnant of a deeper, more rooted pain that this brings up for you, that this conjures for you. And so not only are you dealing with the circumstance you are today, but you are also dealing with.The accumulation of other circumstances that you either did or did not deal with that feel, that emotionally feel similar to this, right? Because our brain is nothing but chemistry and processing of emotion. That's all we have. Memory is emotion. Brain thought is emotion, right? Do do, is it important for me?Study and learn, or is it not? And what, what motions are, am I applying that to right? Do I feel happy when I'm successful? Do I not feel happy [00:46:00] when I'm successful? Those things start to drive the way that our brain processes information. Our brain also, in order to allow us to move forward in life, pushes things into our subconscious mind so that everything that ever happened to us as traumatic isn't brought up every day.Could you imagine demanding waking up every day and remembering every traumatic thing that happened to you all the time? If your brain processed that way, how little you would actually get done in your life, right? And so sometimes when we talk about triggering, we're talking. Our brain reaching into our subconscious mind and pulling up that circumstance that has been hiding from us and going, you remember when that happened?You remember that ? Do you remember that? That was crazy. Right? And our brain becomes fixated on that moment, right? That's a trigger. And so sometimes I think that we, we, we, we do ourselves in disservice by by belittling or reducing what's currently happening to us as if there weren't other things that happened to us.[00:47:00]The body remembers. The brain remembers, right? It remembers trauma, remembers joy, it remembers happiness and remembers pain. And so, one, I would just say, you know, guys, what I've learned is, is like, you know, don't discount the past. Don't discount the other things that you've been able to successfully bury.Whether it's by your own conscious thought or whether your brain just did it for you because it was kind and wanted you to move forward in. And the other is, is to, to not be afraid to, to not move in a direction, not to be afraid to just wait. It's not paralysis. . It's just waiting for a direction to be made clear to you.And it beats oftentimes swimming or drowning as an option because you're allowing yourself the space and breath to really find out what's next for you. And the world oftentimes wants you to move on because everyone else is experiencing trauma. You get to decide that you just [00:48:00] wanna sit for a. and figure out what's next for you and Wade in the grief and the feelings that you're experiencing until something else comes up that allows you to move forward, not move on, just move forward.De'Vannon: I feel like that, that, that sounds wise and, and smart, I feel like like's more easily said. You know, in a, in a lot of cases for a lot of people. Because you know, like in my case right now I have like a lot of like anxiety. Like I just want to go and do something. But what you're saying is the right thing to do is to, to wait till things settle.But you know, a lot of people don't do that. You know, we go get into, you know, bad habits, you know, be it drugs, alcohol, you know, dangerous sex or whatever the case may be, excessive spending, you know, whatever. . You know, the case may be we get into destructive behavior sometimes when we begin to act out, when [00:49:00] we, when we've lost something.Although the wise thing is to sit still , I don't know, a lot of yoga, a lot of meditating, a hell of a lot of praying, you know, and all of those things to help to settle your emotions because it's not good when we're dysfunctional still, when we're trying to function as we tend to make a lot of mistakes that way.Deeon: Well, I, I hear, I agree with you. Right. But I do, I will say this. That. Okay. So the first thing I think is, is that our brain, are wired to understand again, emotion, right? So, so, hey, if, if from 17 tovan into 24 drugs were the way that you found happiness, even if you've grown out of that, even if you heal from that, your brain still remembers that drugs is the way that you found happiness, that sex was a way that you found happiness.And so when you are now experiencing unhappy thoughts, your brain's gonna go, all right, let's get him happy again. Let's get him. . [00:50:00] Right? It may not be safe in a social context. It may not be safe in a rational context, but your brain is looking for when you felt safe, right? And so when you felt safe might have not been yoga.And so yoga don't seem like an option for you right now when you felt safe might have not been reading. So reading might not be right. The, I think the thing is when you're waiting is to understand, right? And to not move in a direction, but to just take an assessment of where you are, right? If, if. if engaging in sex is something that feels like a direction for you, all I'm saying is that your, your, your, your options aren't to swim directly to it or to sink because you're not doing it.It's just to wait and make a an informed decision for yourself, right? So if you know, hey, I'm, I'm likely to, I'm starting to get urges to engage in promiscuous sex. Well, what can you do to mitigate some of the [00:51:00] long-term consequences so that when you are out of this space that you're in, that you haven't caused more harm to yourself?Knowing that there will become a point where you'll not have these same. Feelings of need in the same way, right? And what can you do for that? Right? And so your waiting is you just deciding like, all right, well, you know, maybe I'm gonna only deal with this one person, or maybe I'm only gonna deal with this one setting, or maybe I'm gonna mix my drugs with my sex in this one particular, you know, way of expressing myself, right?And, and you may decide to go in that direction. I think the thing is, You just, it, it be, it can become dangerous. It can become dangerous to just move in a direction, thoughtlessly. And then when you are now resolved of the grief and the trauma that got you there to deal with the consequences of not thinking through the decisions you were making.Right. You don't wanna spend time and then wonder where your time had been [00:52:00] spent because you were just moving directionless through whatever you were going through. Sometimes you need to sit back and take an assessment of where you are, look at your life, look at what your driving factors are and decide whether you want to do them.Listen, I can't tell someone that drugs is not the way for them. Get through today in order to be a more successful them tomorrow. What I can say is that there's a higher probability that you will suffer longer term consequence and or addiction if you do so. If you're making that choice, sit for a second.Decide that that choice is something that you want to make, create clear boundaries for you to move in that direction and understand that there may come a time where that direction no longer serves you and, and you need to decide [00:53:00] what happens when it no longer serves you because you're in an emotional space, not necessarily a life space.De'Vannon: Well, I'm gonna take all of that damn good advice that you just dished out and you to try to corrall my ass and to keep me on like a good path and to keep me from making some of the bad decisions I've already started to make. So . Deeon: And we're allow bad decisions, you know what I mean? Like sometimes, sometimes in a world where like, , and I'll say this in like, I don't know, trigger warning or just, you know, whatever, warning, right?Like some if, if you're, if the, if, if in unhealthy, if leaning into an unhealthy coping mechanism, which could be drugs or it could be food or it could be, there's a term. It could be excessive spending, right? If, if leaning into it knowing that there is an out for you on the other side. . [00:54:00] If you're balancing that against harming yourself to the point that there isn't another side, right?Then lean into the unhealthy thing and then get support for that unhealthy thing and live another day, right? Like find your support, find your love, find your network, find your community. Right. That's first. That's the first thing we wanna do is find support, find love, find community, find positivity when that no longer works, the idea that you could lean into something as a temporary fix in order to, to alleviate the trauma of it so that you can get to a space where you can face it, and then eventually find community and find support and find love for it.That definitely. The rates of self-harm and suicide that we're seeing in the country today where folks feel like there is no out, [00:55:00] there is no other way. And so if someone said, I need to gamble for a couple days because I'm feeling these thoughts of self-harm, then gamble a couple days. Right. And I'm not saying it has to be that extreme.I'm just saying that, that we also have to give ourselves grace to be human, to be flaw. to have to, to, to have had developed negative habits that we sometimes wanna lean into. And that if the, if the alternative is I can't live, then find a way to live until you can find the support system to give you back the life that you.And a lot of people may take that and misconstrue it as me being like, do drugs or have promiscuous sex. That's not what I'm saying folks. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that in, in a world where you know it's drown or swim, I'm telling you to swim, [00:56:00] not drown until you find a support system that allows you to get to the destination you deserve to get to.De'Vannon: He's saying, choose the lesser of your evils and whatever it takes to keep your ass alive. Because as my favorite days, cause the song says, as long as you are breathing, you can start all over again. Deeon: Absolutely. Absolutely. De'Vannon: Okay. So that, that brings us to a close here. I'm gonna go over your contact information and then I'll give you the last word.Although you've been giving us good advice. I don't know if you know it, but you counseled me through this interview. I was interviewing you, but you were counseling me, you know, Send me the bill. I'll happily pay it. So let me see here. His podcast is called Man Versus Brand. His books are coming out.He'll be back on the show if he wants to, to talk about that. He has two websites. One is man versus [00:57:00] brand.com. The other one is dion brown.com. I do want you to tell us the difference in your outro that you're about to give us here. On both of those websites, his social media's, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, ticky, talkie, and YouTube.Now all of this information's gonna go on the showing notes as it always it does. So, Dionne, thank you for being my pastor today. And tell us the difference between man versus brand.com and dion brown.com and then you can give the world whatever advice you would like. All Deeon: right. So so Dion brown.com is like the, the one space for all of my stuff.You're gonna find the project, big brand stuff there. You're gonna find the man versus brand stuff there. You're gonna find out a lot about me and like my own life journey, my coaching journey. You're gonna find out information about my past companies that I worked with, things that I really love. I think it's a really transparent look into the cross-section.The intersectionality between me. Man or a [00:58:00] human and, and me as a brand, I think you'll get a really good idea of that. Man versus brand.com. We've got some merch on there that's really cool. We got all the platforms that man versus brand is on. And you can just listen to the episodes agnostic of any podcast platform.So if you just wanna listen I definitely have a place for you to listen there. And and if you ever guys wanna get in contact, you know, you can definitely reach out to me. Let me know. That you came by way of Devon, because you know, that builds the context for the conversation we're about to have.And and I appreciate you. So for the last thing I'm gonna say, it's not gonna be about me guys. What I want you to do is stop what you're doing right now. I want you to go to, wherever this podcast is that you're listening to and or watching it, I want you to smash the, like, smash the subscribe button.Smash the join button for sex drugs in Jesus, wherever you're listening to this app, and show some love. Like, shoot a comment out, like as a content [00:59:00] creator, man, sometimes I am so, so made to, to feel connected and to feel like humbled by and, and overwhelmed and overjoyed. When people leave me comments, when people like, when people subscribe, it just, it, it, it, it just lets me know that the work is being received and, and we know that people are listening.We know that you guys enjoy. But there's something to just seeing that right to feel it is one thing to see it as another. So if you're listening to my voice right now, pause this podcast, make sure you come back to it and pop that sex drugs in Jesus Lincoln man, and make sure that you are following all the channels that it's on, that you're liking it, that you're subscribing to it.Because this guy's putting out work. Not only is he putting out work, he's putting out necessary work, transparent work work that brings about healing. Work, work that breaks down stereotypes and traumas and, and I think it's important. And so [01:00:00] feed him like he's feeding y'all by showing that love and support.And that's me. De'Vannon: Well him. Thank you Dion. No one's ever done that before. You sure know how to make an impression. . Deeon: Thank you. I appreciate it. Listen guys, thank you so much for having me on. I hope to come back. This guy's amazing, so make sure, and he has an episode on man versus Brand, so check that out. It just released like.Two or three weeks ago. So if you like this episode, hopefully he'll place it in the show notes, the episode that he was on for our podcast, where we talk about all things related to his experience in that particular section of Christianity. And his, the book that he wrote and the experience that he had in love and relationship and mentorship and all the, the experiences that this man had and what my take was on it.And so he did a lot more talking. On that episode than, than he did on this one. And I did a lot more talking on this episode, which is, I think, the nature of guest and host. So [01:01:00] check out his episode, man. I hope you guys enjoy this one and blessing and balance.De'Vannon: Thank you all so much for taking time to listen to the Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast. It really means everything to me. Look, if you love the show, you can find more information and resources at Sex Drugs in jesus.com or wherever you listen to your podcast. Feel free to reach out to me directly at Davanon Sex Drugs and jesus.com and on Twitter and Facebook as well.My name is Davanon, and it's been wonderful being your host today. And just remember that everything is gonna be all right. 

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