Podcast appearances and mentions of bj fogg

Is there a habit you keep trying to break, or one you wish you could finally build? You're in good company. When John Ortberg asked the Become New community about their habits, more than a thousand people responded. They named struggles with worry, anger, procrastination, screen time, negative self-talk, and much more. Some felt too ashamed even to say what their hardest habit was.Into that struggle, Jesus says, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.” But then he invites us to take on his yoke. How can a yoke, an instrument of work, lead to rest?John explores the difference between exhausting yourself with willpower and learning a way of life from Jesus. Drawing on Dallas Willard and BJ Fogg's Tiny Habits, he shows how motivation, ability, and prompts shape what we do. Sometimes a meaningful change begins with something as small as moving your phone out of the bedroom or putting away one book at the end of the day.What's one habit you'd like to change? Bring it to Jesus without shame, and consider one small step you could take today.Scripture: Matthew 11:28–30; Mark 12:30

Most of what happens in a workday, from how you open a meeting to how you respond to bad news, runs on autopilot. Habits, not decisions, are doing the heavy lifting. Behavior scientist BJ Fogg explains why willpower fails, why "bad habits" aren't really the enemy, and how one tiny action, done consistently, can quietly reshape how you see yourself as a leader, teammate, and person.Guest BioBJ Fogg, PhD, is a behavior scientist at Stanford University, where he founded the Behavior Design Lab. In addition to his research, Fogg teaches industry innovators how human behavior really works. He created the Tiny Habits Academy to help people around the world. He is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Tiny Habits: The Small Changes That Change Everything. Find out more at BJFogg.com and TinyHabits.com.Conversation Topics(00:00) Introduction: Meet BJ Fogg, Habit Design Expert(01:06) How Habits Quietly Run Your Workday(04:15) Building New Habits vs. Breaking Old Ones(07:40) A Gratitude Habit in Action: BJ's Own Example(11:23) How Small Habits Reshape Your Identity(18:43) The Power of "Shine": Celebrating Small Wins to Make Habits Stick(24:15) Coaching Your Team's Habits Through Specific Praise(28:43) Closing Thoughts: Lessons from a Great ManagerAdditional Resources✨ Read the full transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_f7ADen1bpZN0FM21os0kTtb5GgQ_aSDAegwKCkNGA4/edit?usp=sharing✨ Follow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leadershipwithmamie/✨ Visit my website for more: https://www.themodernmanager.com/✨ Subscribe to my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7jhYz8b16g1SsLia4EhO5w?sub_confirmation=1Keep Up with BJ FoggWebsite: https://www.bjfogg.comTiny Habits: https://www.tinyhabits.comBehavior Model: https://www.behaviormodel.orgLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bjfogg/Social: @bjfogg on most social platformsTraining: Learn Fogg Behavior Design directly from BJ at bjfogg.com/trainingJoin my newsletter to get episodes and the one page takeaways delivered directly to your inbox: https://www.themoddernmanager.comThe Modern Manager is a leadership podcast that helps you close the gap between knowing what good management is and actually doing it. Follow The Modern Manager on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode!#Leadership #TinyHabits #BehaviorChange #ManagementTips #WorkplaceCulture #HabitFormation #TeamLeadership #PersonalDevelopment #ManagerLife #EmployeeEngagement

Don't experiment on your own revenue with broken game mechanics. Get our guide "Core Drives in the Wild" to learn how to apply real behavioral science to your product: professorgame.com/WildCD Episode Summary Kristen Berman, behavioral scientist and CEO and co-founder of Irrational Labs, argues that personalization is overrated in product design, and she brings the experiment to back it up. She walks through a published onboarding test with Headspace where asking new users a few questions and then recommending the same Basics course to everyone doubled course enrollments, outperforming both the personalized recommendation and the version with no questions at all. She is just as direct about the limit: enrollments doubled, yet people did not meditate more, because the rest of the product never reinforced that first commitment. Listeners come away with a barriers-and-benefits lens for any signup flow and a clear order of operations: get the fundamentals of human decision making right first, then layer personalization on top. About the Host Rob Alvarez is Head of Engagement Strategy, Europe at The Octalysis Group (TOG), a leading gamification and behavioral design consultancy. A globally recognized gamification strategist and TEDx speaker, he founded and hosts Professor Game, the #1 gamification podcast, and has interviewed hundreds of global experts. He designs evidence-based engagement systems that drive motivation, loyalty, and results, and teaches LEGO® SERIOUS PLAY® and gamification at top institutions including IE Business School, EFMD, and EBS University across Europe, the Americas, and Asia. Key Takeaways Headspace's onboarding experiment with Irrational Labs doubled course enrollments by asking new users a few questions and then recommending the same Basics course to everyone, with no personalization behind the answers. Personalization pays off when the match is right and loses the user when it misses, and a handful of signup questions rarely reveals enough to get it right. Kristen Berman's advice: design first to avoid getting it wrong. Doubling Headspace course enrollments did not get more people to meditate. The enrolled course sat at the bottom of a list instead of on the Today tab, which shows that fixing one step of the funnel does not fix the next one. Forced choice beats a Continue button: in an Irrational Labs experiment, showing Accept or Decline led more people to accept, because the cost of saying no becomes visible instead of staying hidden behind an X. A meta-analysis from around 2020 found no effect of personalized health feedback on behaviors ranging from smoking to physical activity. With reminders, whether you send them and how often matters far more than small copy changes. Duolingo times reminders to the hour a user signed up, and Netflix improved its recommendations by moving from five stars to thumbs up or down so more people rated. Past behavior is the most reliable personalization signal. Topics Covered 0:00 - Doubled enrollments, no more meditation 0:13 - Meet Kristen Berman of Irrational Labs 2:56 - Where irrational decisions cost the most 5:06 - Why game designers get to be paternalistic 7:48 - Forced choice: accept or decline beats continue 10:02 - Friction versus motivation in fintech and health 13:58 - The Headspace onboarding experiment setup 17:45 - Non-personalized questions doubled course enrollments 19:46 - Why more enrollments did not mean more meditation 22:21 - Pre-commitment, lost streaks and why willpower fails 25:24 - AI personalization and the health meta-analysis 28:44 - Reminders, Duolingo timing and Netflix ratings 32:08 - Where to find Kristen Berman Don't experiment on your own revenue with broken game mechanics. Get our guide "Core Drives in the Wild" to learn how to apply real behavioral science to your product: professorgame.com/WildCD About Kristen Berman Kristen Berman is a prominent behavioral scientist and the CEO and co-founder of Irrational Labs, a leading behavioral design firm in Silicon Valley. Irrational Labs partners with top companies such as Intuit, LinkedIn, Airbnb, Meta, and Microsoft to drive behavior change for the greater good. Kristen's expertise in behavioral economics began as a founding member of the behavioral economics group at Google, where she worked with over 25 teams to launch innovative interventions, and she went on to co-found Duke University's financial decision making lab, Common Cents. She also publishes Product Teardowns, a Substack where she takes apart a popular app in about five minutes to show how a behavioral scientist thinks about design, pricing, incentives, and loyalty. Find the Guest Online LinkedIn kristenberman.com Product Teardowns on Substack Irrational Labs Irrational Labs case studies Mentioned in This Episode Lessons on habit formation from an experiment with Headspace Headspace onboarding experiment recap by Purchasely, the third partner in the study BJ Fogg's Behavior Model (motivation, ability, trigger/prompt) Ulysses contracts and pre-commitment Forced choice (Accept or Decline versus Continue) Meta-analysis on personalized health feedback (circa 2020) Duolingo's reminder timing, Netflix's move from five stars to thumbs, and Uber Eats notifications Core Drives in the Wild guide Free Resources and Get in Touch Core Drives in the Wild: Professor Game Free Guide Get Daily Value on Your Email Let's chat about your gamification project YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Facebook Start Your Community on Skool for Free Ask a question

In this episode of The Advisers Assemble Podcast, host Alex Curtis explains how behavioural science can make marketing much more effective. Just like an architect has to build with gravity in mind, marketers should use proven psychological rules instead of just guessing. Alex shares real-world examples, like how changing the words on a hotel sign or a tax letter can actually change how people act. Learn how simple tweaks to your messaging can get much better results without spending extra money.Key Topics & Timestamps[00:00:00] The Architect & Gravity Analogy: Why marketing should rely on established scientific rules of human behavior rather than guesswork.[00:02:30] Why Campaigns "Fail": Why business owners often prematurely declare advertising channels like Facebook, TikTok, or Google Ads as "dead" without analyzing the actual message or psychological triggers.[00:03:45] The Psychology of Social Proof: The restaurant analogy (empty vs. busy) and why people look to the behavior of others when making decisions.[00:05:00] Robert Cialdini's Hotel Towel Experiment: How changing standard environmental signs to social proof cards ("most people staying in this room reuse their towels") boosted compliance.[00:08:00] System 1 vs. System 2 Thinking (Daniel Kahneman):System 1 (Instinctual): Fast, automated thinking used during social media scrolling or catching a thrown ball.System 2 (Logical): Analytical, slow thinking. Why putting too much complex information (like rates tables) in front of prospects triggers System 2, causes decision fatigue, and makes them leave.[00:11:45] David Cameron's "Nudge Unit" (Behavioural Insights Team): How adding a simple, true statement ("9 out of 10 people pay their tax on time") on self-assessment letter demands recouped millions in tax revenue with zero additional cost.[00:15:00] When Social Proof Backfires: Why tailored messaging is critical, illustrated by how energy-saving letters backfired for below-average energy consumers.[00:16:30] The Default Option & Nudge Theory: How auto-enrolling employees in workplace pensions ("opt-out" instead of "opt-in") successfully got more people saving for retirement.[00:18:00] Visual Verification: How adding a photo of a citizen's actual car to vehicle tax letters skyrocketed compliance.[00:19:15] Pioneers of Scientific Advertising: References to advertising legend David Ogilvy, Claude Hopkins' 1923 book Scientific Advertising, and BJ Fogg's behavior model (applied by Instagram co-founder Mike Krieger to build a billion-dollar app).[00:21:30] Six Core Behavioral Biases Explored:Anchoring: How sales prices (e.g., TK Maxx) anchor value against high original prices.Authority Bias: The influence of perceived experts/authorities (e.g., lab coats).Availability Bias: How recent news (e.g., shark attacks) distorts our statistical risk perception.Chunking: Breaking down complex tasks.Consistency: Getting prospects to agree to minor commitments first.Decoy Pricing: Creating options that make the target package look like the best value.Key Takeaways & Episode NotesScience over Speculation: Human behavior is highly predictable. Leverage proven behavioral science rules to optimize your campaigns.Reduce Cognitive Friction: Avoid overcomplicating forms and landing pages. Keep prospects in System 1 (instinctive/reactive) mode for smoother conversions.Wording Matters: The UK government's Nudge Unit proved that minor phrasing changes cost next to nothing but can deliver millions in returns. Brought to you by the team at The Lead Engine who specialise in generating mortgage leads.

We are releasing a special bonus episode of What The Fundraising! In this episode of What the Fundraising Podcast… I talked to behavior scientist and author BJ Fogg, PhD. BJ is one of my biggest teachers and superheroes, he has run a lab at Stanford University for 20 years now, and for the last 10, he's dedicated his work to behavior design. His book Tiny Habits is a wonderful explanation of how our brains work and what small but effective techniques we can use to create habits and beat fears. His Fogg Behavior Model is perfect for fundraisers out there, it goes from allowing yourself to feel success over small victories, to taking action by tracking down your prompts and abilities. In this conversation BJ shares SO many useful and simple hacks, I felt like I had to write them down. Plus, his approach to people is immensely human, compassionate, and positive, (just like fundraising!) You really don't want to miss this conversation.

On this episode of the I Love Being Sober podcast, recorded live in front of a client audience at Camelback Recovery's outpatient treatment center in Scottsdale, Arizona, host Tim Westbrook sits down with master life coach, speaker, and labyrinth designer Elaine Glass, author of the bestselling book Get Quiet: 7 Simple Paths to the Truth of Who You Are, published by Hay House and endorsed by Dr. Mark Hyman and Stanford behavioral scientist BJ Fogg.Elaine spent three decades as a dental hygienist, sitting one-on-one with more than 40,000 patients, while living what looked from the outside like a perfect life: a house in Paradise Valley, a surgeon husband, two sons in private school. Inside, she was waking up alone and afraid, getting physically sick, and, in her words, becoming a shell of a human being. She describes the moment she finally asked for a divorce, what it cost, and how she rebuilt from nothing.The turning point came from a stranger at a Phoenix coffee shop, a man in addiction recovery who told her to visit the Franciscan Renewal Center. There, in the desert behind the property, she found a labyrinth: a 4,000-year-old meditative walking path with one way in and one way out. She almost turned around at the gate. What she heard when she finally walked it changed the direction of her life.Elaine is clear that she never had a substance addiction. What she had was a behavioral addiction to looking away from the truth of her own life, a pattern she calls close to universal. The conversation digs into why we are so afraid to sit alone in a quiet room, what rushes in to fill the space when a substance is finally gone, how to tell the calm voice of the soul from the racing voice of fear, and why she believes abandoning yourself is a slow death of the soul. She also shares the twelve-month experiment that rebuilt her confidence after her divorce, starting with a single Toastmasters meeting, and walks the room through her seven paths and the body-centered energy points behind them.For anyone in Phoenix, Scottsdale, or beyond who is navigating addiction recovery, sobriety, grief, burnout, or the quiet work of finding out who you are without the noise, this episode is a practical and deeply human roadmap to getting quiet.Camelback Recovery is a leading sober living and outpatient addiction treatment provider serving Phoenix and Scottsdale, Arizona.

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Life doesn't come with a roadmap. And sometimes change comes whether we're ready for it or not.Linda Fogg-Phillips, M.S., is a behavior-change expert, author, and co-founder of the Tiny Habits Academy, where she works alongside her brother, Dr. BJ Fogg, creator of the Tiny Habits method. But Linda's understanding of change isn't just professional. It's deeply personal.In this encore episode of Stories of Change, Linda shares how she learned to navigate those changes and find a way forward—one small step at a time.Over a period of years, she faced the loss of her son, the collapse of her family's home-building business, bankruptcy, and her husband's battle with early-onset Alzheimer's.We also talk about Tiny Habits, Linda's idea of “Pearl Habits,” and how reframing difficult moments can help us respond differently to the changes we didn't choose.   You can find out more about Pearl Habits here. In this episode:Navigating loss and unexpected changeWhy small steps can make a differenceMoving from “Why me?” to “What can I learn?”Using Pearl Habits to reframe difficult momentsThe importance of celebration Please follow along for real stories, take away a little wisdom and maybe find something that helps you figure out what's next.   

A toxic hire nearly cost him his agency. Then he made a similar mistake again, this time trying to build his own AI instead of renting one.In this episode, Roger Hurni, founder and Chief Brand Strategist of Off Madison Ave, whose client roster includes Nike, Wells Fargo, PetSmart, and P.F. Chang's, breaks down the culture-first hiring lesson he learned the hard way, why his team abandoned an in-house AI build for an off-the-shelf tool, and the AI philosophy he wrote for his own staff: expand your options, never let AI replace your judgment. Trained in behavior design under Stanford's BJ Fogg and the author of Outthink, Outperform, he also explains why he believes 90% of LinkedIn is now AI-generated content, and the test he runs on every new hire to separate real thinkers from people who copy and paste AI output.You will learn why culture fit can matter more than raw talent, when renting beats building with a new technology, and how to use AI without letting it think for you.Send us Fan Mail Struggling to prove marketing's worth to your board? Grab our free one-page Board-Proof Scorecard:

Nir Eyal has spent his career studying why people do what they do - and he'd come to a frustrating conclusion. He'd handed readers the answer to distraction on a silver platter, and most of them still didn't act on it. Knowing what to do wasn't enough. Wanting the outcome wasn't enough. Something further upstream was making the decision. That something is belief: convictions you never consciously chose, inherited from parents, teachers and offhand comments, that you've been lugging around ever since. And they're almost never about the past. They're predictions about a future that hasn't happened yet. I'm no good at this. I'm not ready. It's too hard. In this conversation with St John Craner, Nir walks through the four-question process he runs on himself two or three times a day, and demonstrates it live on a belief he'd carried for decades about his own mother - a story that starts with a bouquet of half-dead flowers and ends somewhere he didn't expect. He explains why a commodities trader was able to undergo a 55-minute operation completely awake with no anaesthesia, and what that reveals about the gap between pain and suffering. And for anyone who has ever said "I'm just not good at sales," he makes the case that nobody is born a salesperson - they've simply had more practice persuading. Nir Eyal is the author of Hooked, Indistractable, and the New York Times bestseller Beyond Belief, which have sold more than a million copies in over 30 languages. A former lecturer at Stanford's Graduate School of Business and a student of BJ Fogg, his frameworks shaped how Silicon Valley thinks about behaviour design. MIT Technology Review called him the prophet of habit-forming technology. Connect with Nir on ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nireyal Learn more about his books, what he does ⁠here⁠⁠⁠: https://www.nirandfar.com/ Check out his ⁠5-Minute Belief Change Guide⁠: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1diPCNuI9me_eHeGoEPVRpWwr41NDF4tsDXhyVBWZ7WA/template/preview And other free resources ⁠here⁠ to get started on this path: https://www.nirandfar.com/beyond-belief/ +++ Take my new AI rural sales training tool FieldCoach for a 15 day test drive for $1. No subscriptions or contract. Cancel anytime: ⁠https://www.ruralsalessuccess.com/fieldcoachio-welcome⁠ Grab your copy from Amazon⁠ here: https://www.amazon.com.au/365-Days-Rural-Sales-Mastery/dp/B0F1489HH4/ (or join our Facebook Group below to get a free online copy). Want to make more rural sales? Get your FREE copy of my first book “How To Succeed In Rural Sales” ⁠Ebook: www.ruralsalessuccess1.com/ebook Connect with or Follow me on LinkedIn: nz.linkedin.com/in/stjohncraner Subscribe to my weekly rural sales email (which goes out to 3500+ rural sales professionals worldwide) here: bit.ly/3voaPS7 To join our private Facebook Group where we share a ton of free rural sales and lead generation tools almost daily join here: www.facebook.com/groups/285326399207141/ For details on our training programmes you can check out what we do for sales teams with our Rural Sales Success™ programme here (www.ruralsalessuccess1.com/programme-invitation) or for managers with our Rural Sales Manager Mastery™ programme here (www.ruralsalessuccess1.com/programme-invitation) For more on us, what we do and who we work with: www.ruralsalessuccess.com / www.agrarian.co.nz

Jia Jiang: Easy Discipline Jia Jiang is an award-winning speaker, entrepreneur, and the bestselling author of Rejection Proof. His TED Talk is among the top 1% most viewed of all time, and he has spoken to over 400,000 people worldwide. He is also the creator of Rejection Therapy, a platform designed to help people overcome fear and build resilience, and is the author of Easy Discipline: An Unconventional Way to Achieve Ambitious Things (Amazon, Bookshop)*. No pain, no gain. We've all heard that before – and it's true that one way to achieve is through a lot of pain. Good news: there are other ways, too. In this conversation, Jia and I explore how to harness the ambition you already have through easy discipline. Key Points Pain tolerance is admired and celebrated. When greatness comes through pain, our society cheers it. When greatness comes through loving work, we are suspicious. Hard discipline and easy discipline both produce results, but easy discipline does so with more joy and sustainability. Ambitious people often suffer from High Eyes, Low Hands Disease. Higher ambitions create higher expectations that make a gap seem harder to transcend. In the game of Catan, it's not the lucky players that win; it's the most active players. Professional learning follows the same pattern. The momentum loop is the practice of early action generating greater fuel for later action. Even wrong movements are almost always superior to standing still. Resources Mentioned Easy Discipline: An Unconventional Way to Achieve Ambitious Things by Jia Jiang (Amazon, Bookshop)* Jia Jiang's speaking Interview Notes Download my interview notes in PDF format (free membership required). Related Episodes How to Change Your Behavior, with BJ Fogg (episode 507) How to Get Out of a Rut, with Anne-Laure Le Cunff (episode 747) How to Help People Flourish, with Marcus Buckingham (episode 778) Discover More Activate your free membership for full access to the entire library of interviews since 2011, searchable by topic. To accelerate your learning, uncover more inside Coaching for Leaders Plus.

Chris Bailey: Intentional Chris Bailey is an author and lecturer who explores the science behind living a more productive and intentional life. He has written hundreds of articles on the subject and is the bestselling author of The Productivity Project, Hyperfocus, and How to Calm Your Mind. His newest book is Intentional: How to Finish What You Start (Amazon, Bookshop)*. Starting is often a lot easier than finishing. Our mindsets and our tactics can make a big difference in how far we really go. In this conversation, Chris and I discuss the best ways to finish what we begin. Key Points Procrastination is triggered by six characteristics of aversion: boring, unpleasant, frustrating, far off in the future, unstructured, and/or meaningless. The more we activate the logical centers in our brain, the less aversion we run into. Almost everything can be more fun if we put the right structure around it. Gamification, countdown timers, and artificial deadlines can drive our behaviors in substantial ways. Make goals about others. Rather than simply “reading 10 pages,” shift to “reading ten pages to be a better mentor.” Most of us have a preference for either performance goals or learning goals. Identify which works better for you and for the people you lead. Define a target pace and map your progress against it. We often do this with organizational projects, but rarely for our own goals. Pair joyful tasks together with the ones that don't bring joy as a means to keep you moving. Resources Mentioned Intentional: How to Finish What You Start by Chris Bailey (Amazon, Bookshop)* Interview Notes Download my interview notes in PDF format (free membership required). Related Episodes How to Become the Person You Want to Be, with James Clear (episode 376) How to Change Your Behavior, with BJ Fogg (episode 507) Make Your Task List Work for You, with Liane Davey (episode 785) Discover More Activate your free membership for full access to the entire library of interviews since 2011, searchable by topic. To accelerate your learning, uncover more inside Coaching for Leaders Plus.

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the conversation with recruiter and resume writer Megan Applegate, founder of Career Blueprint Solutions. They unpack why a blank LinkedIn profile can make even strong candidates look like they don't exist, how to frame your resume around the value you deliver instead of a list of duties, and why staying comfortable quietly keeps your career stuck. They also share a four-step plan for positioning yourself for the promotion you already may be qualified for. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Applying for roles even when you don't check every box.Why a blank LinkedIn profile makes strong candidates look invisible.Recognizing the cost of comfort and why discomfort means you're growing.How speaking your imposter syndrome out loud can be really helpful.A four-step plan to position yourself for your next promotion.Episode References/Links:upLift First Time Teacher Training Program - https://xxll.co/uwseLevate Live Q&A - https://lesleylogan.co/elevate2026 Summer Tour (powered by Balanced Body) - https://opc.me/tourOPC Pilates Flashcards - https://opc.me/flashcardsPilates Posters - https://opc.me/postersProject Marilyn – projectmarilyn.comMegan Applegate on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/meganapplegateMegan Applegate on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dreamjobaheadCareer Blueprint Solutions - https://beitpod.com/careerblueprintsolutionEp 226 ft Ryan May McAvoy - https://beitpod.com/ep226Ep 691 ft Clare Solly - https://beitpod.com/ep691Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 0:59  All right, let's do this. So today is the 710 Megan Applegate. Take it away there, Lesley.Lesley Logan 1:08  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, where my co-host life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the strategic convo I had with Megan Applegate in our last episode.Brad Crowell 1:10  Oh yeah, it was strategic.Lesley Logan 1:17  She is a resume whisperer Brad Crowell 1:21  and LinkedIn QueenLesley Logan 1:22  Yes, which we all need, me included. But I just kind of, I'm like, you guys, if you have been one of those people who doesn't apply for a job because you don't qualify for all parts, you need to talk to Megan, because she's a badass. Anyways, before we get into that, you can go listen to her right now, and then listen to us talk about some stuff before we talk about Megan.Brad Crowell 1:39  Yeah.Lesley Logan 1:40  Today is July 23rd 2026, and it's National Gorgeous Grandma Day. So, today we celebrate the incredible grandmothers in our lives each year. This special day encourages us to recognize their timeless beauty, unwavering love, and invaluable wisdom. As we're reading this, I'm just thinking about my two grandmas, and I'm just gonna say,Brad Crowell 1:58  invaluable wisdom, Lesley Logan 2:00  unwavering love, I'm not so sure, I will give them their... timeless beauty... my grandmother was beautiful. Both my grandmothers are beautiful in their own way. One looks like an actual grandmother from the day I was out of the womb, and the other one had tattooed eyeliner and purple hair, so.Brad Crowell 2:17  Amazing.Lesley Logan 2:18  Anyways, invaluable wisdom. Show your appreciation by spending quality time, showering them with gifts, or simply telling them how gorgeous they truly are. Seriously, if your gorgeous grandma is still here on this earth, pause this now and call her, and then come back, because we're going to talk about Megan Applegate. Brad inserted that very seamless, and it's in there. He knows I don't read these things before we get them on the air, so I'm like that one reporter, Keith Olbermann always makes fun of him, because he just reads whatever's on the teleprompter. I would just get myself in so much trouble because I would just read what's on the teleprompter, but then I'm like, what?Brad Crowell 2:49  Hilarious.Lesley Logan 2:49  Unwavering love and invaluable wisdom. Well, one of my grandmothers, the first time she drove, she backed the truck into a tree and left the engine running until it died, backed into a tree, and so she never got a driver's license. So that was some wisdom.Brad Crowell 3:05  Never drove again, that's hilarious.Lesley Logan 3:08  She was a stubborn one. Anyways, you guys, I have a teacher training program that I've been talking about online now, so I have to share it here. If you listen to the FYFs, I've been kind of hinting at a project that I've been working on for quite some time, and I'm really proud of the work I'm doing. Now we can actually share it, so it's all true. It's called upLift, and the L is capital in that, because I like to be cute. It's going to start probably early next year, and you'll be able to find an epic teacher trainer near you that will host my program. So if you know someone who wants to become a Pilates instructor, or you're listening to this and you've done some instructor training but not a full comprehensive, you're going to want to get on the waitlist to go through the upLift program, which is xxlll.co/uws. Now, if you are already comprehensively trained and you would prefer to train directly with me, then you actually want to be in my mentorship program, or some people call it a master's program, and you want to go to eLevate. We already have done a live Q&A call, because it happens on July 9th.Brad Crowell 4:13  And that's what, oh. Lesley Logan 4:15  This is July 23rd, 2026. I just said the date, it's National Grandma's Day, so looking at Brad in real time trying to make this sheet. So anyways, you missed the live call, but you can still watch it and hear all about it. If there's any spaces in 2028, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. Now, if you're like, "2028, that's so far away," look, if you just want to go through the training that I've created, upLift is going to be for you in 2027 and you can be with one of my educators. If you want to be with me, then you want to be in eLevate. If you want to be an upLift educator, you need to go through eLevate, so there's all that. Okay.Brad Crowell 4:48  If you want to be an upLlift educator, yes, you have to go through eLevate as well. So, if you have questions about that, just. Lesley Logan 4:54  If you are like, "This is my first time. Why does everyone rave about the show? What the fuck are they talking about, the grandmas and Pilates?" Just keep listening, it gets better. Okay, stick to it. We're gonna "be it till you see it" for you. Our summer tour is literally around the corner. We are leaving next week, I think, or maybe in 10 days. Yeah, so at the time of this recording, the first two stops are sold out. The third stop is in Nashville, and it has the workshop space left. Knoxville is our rooftop mat class repertoire. Brad Crowell 5:26  That is gonna be so fun. I'm really looking forward to that.Lesley Logan 5:29  Same, me too. And then we'll be back in Greensboro. We've never been in Greensboro in the summer, so this is really exciting. It's a really cool studio, it's an old mill. And then we're gonna be in Augusta, Georgia, and then we're gonna be in Atlanta. Look, the time we're recording this, it had three spots left total at that stop, and then someone just bought one, so there are two spots left at the time of recording, which is,Brad Crowell 5:48  in Atlanta,Lesley Logan 5:49  in Atlanta, Then Huntsville, Alabama has five spots left today, which is not today when you're listening to this, so check. Then we have Birmingham, Alabama, and then Jackson, Mississippi, both of those had two spots left today. And then we have Frisco, Texas, which is north of Dallas. There was room, there's plenty of room in the workshop there as of today. Not plenty, but there's room. El Paso, we're gonna have a Spanish,Brad Crowell 6:12  This is gonna be really cool.Lesley Logan 6:14  translator, in Spanish. I've.Brad Crowell 6:16  It's our first stop in El Paso to teach.Lesley Logan 6:19  Yeah.Brad Crowell 6:19  So really, really excited about that. And yeah, first time having a translator in the United States.Lesley Logan 6:03  I'm so excited! I've had translators before, but this is gonna be so fun, but not in the States, so this is gonna be great. So we are in El Paso, and then we're gonna be in Tucson, a couple spots left there, and then Vegas, and that's half sold out. So all this is the bragging to say, get your tickets, what are you waiting for? opc.me/tourBrad Crowell 6:30  opc.me/tour Lesley Logan 6:32  It is powered by Balanced Body, which means we have gift certificates, prizes, and we're bringing Contrology equipment for you to try out. So, you're going to want to go do that. And then, if you are new here, don't forget to check out our Pilates flashcards. We'll have them at the tour, but you can actually get them from us. I had someone ask me, "Is it better to get from you directly or from Amazon?" And I said, if you like giving Jeff Bezos money, you can get it from Amazon, but if you want to give a small business, a family-owned team money, which means the money goes to, first of all, if you buy flashcards from us, we give money to the Nevada SPCA, and we give money to our team, and all that good stuff, and we can keep making these flashcards, you go to opc.me/flashcards. So, anyway, she said, "Of course, I love supporting small businesses," and I said, "Thank you." And then we also have posters, and people have been asking about this. You want to know something? Don't buy the ones on Temu, they stole mine. You are welcome, while we are waiting for them to take that shit down, to go find them and leave a shitty review. Tell them that they're stealing, because they fucking are. But you can buy ours that have good images.Brad Crowell 7:49  Tell us how you really feel.Lesley Logan 7:50  I'm so fucking pissed. I'm pissed, but I have my "I need a moment" on the Fuck Yeah Fridays now. I think I've mentioned it already there. But at any rate, opc.me/posters is where you get the posters, and you kind of want both, just saying.Brad Crowell 8:04  Kind of want both.Lesley Logan 8:05  And the posters ship from wherever they print around the world. So, my peeps who live internationally, the shipping on the posters is not going to be terrible. The flashcards, so sorry for where you live, but we do have people in high places like Canada and Australia, and we are working on some othersBrad Crowell 8:22  Working on the UK,Lesley Logan 8:23  working on the UK. We've got a couple of options. You know what? Think time travel, things move slowly. Just gonna say it, my brain moves fast, but things move slow. All right, as you know, we talk about a charity, and this week's charity, who's up, Brad?Brad Crowell 8:36  Yeah, this week we are featuring Project Marilyn. This week we're highlighting Project Marilyn, a Las Vegas nonprofit fighting period poverty right here in southern Nevada. Founded in 2019 by Wendi, I am gonna butcher this name, Schweigart,Lesley Logan 8:52  or Schweigart,Brad Crowell 8:52  Schweigart, and named after her late mother, Marilyn, the organization,Lesley Logan 8:56  Who was probably a gorgeous grandma.Brad Crowell 8:57  Well, clearly, she must be a gorgeous grandma because she had a daughter, so.Lesley Logan 9:02  Well, she had a daughter. Her daughter might not have a daughter, but her daughter is giving. Brad Crowell 9:05  Oh, she's probably a gorgeous grandma.Lesley Logan 9:06  Her daughter is giving period supplies for free to all these kids around here, so she kind of has a lot of grandkids. Brad Crowell 9:13  Yeah, the organization makes sure everyone has a healthy, dignified period by providing monthly bags of tampons, pads, and hygiene wipes to people who cannot afford them, supplies that are among the least donated and most overlooked basic needs out there, and programs like SNAP and WIC won't cover.Lesley Logan 9:29  It's like your food stamps.Brad Crowell 9:31  Yeah, so what started with one woman honoring her mom has grown into a real local force, a volunteer crew called the Period Posse, back-to-back best nonprofit recognition in the Las Vegas Review-Journal's Best of Las Vegas Reader Poll, and a tripling of its reach in just the last couple of years, all while staying lean and locally run. If you've ever taken a clean, dignified period for granted, this is the chance to make sure someone else can, too.Lesley Logan 9:57  Also, so many of us who have all the access to all the period supplies in the world have had moments where it doesn't feel dignified, and so if you're like.Brad Crowell 10:06  Also, we charge a lot for that too. It's very, it's taxed.Lesley Logan 10:11  It's taxed, it's fucking annoying. If men needed period supplies, they'd be fucking free, and I know it feels like we harp on that, but truly, it would. The fucking female razors are more expensive, and they're the same fucking thing, they just make them pink and charge more. So, if you are like, "Guys, why did you do a Las Vegas one?" I actually have had connections with Project Marilyn. I've been at different charity events that they're at, they do really great work. If you are in Las Vegas and you go to their website, you can actually find out where they have locations for free period supplies, like the local library. You go and you just say, "I have a package from Marilyn," and they will just give you free period supplies. Isn't that the cutest thing? Brad Crowell 10:35  That's pretty cute. Lesley Logan 10:37  There's another organization that sponsors them that's more national, and that is the Alliance for Period Supplies, and they are doing really great work trying to do different things in the legislation, and also work on ending period poverty. It looks like this one works with smaller organizations to keep getting the supplies out there.Brad Crowell 11:09  Yeah, go to projectmarilyn.com M-A-R-I-L-Y-N if you want to donate, or if you're looking for something a little more national, theLesley Logan 11:17  allianceforperiodsupplies.org. Just so we're all clear, 76% of Americans believe period supplies should be free of charge at public schools and public universities, and you know where they were free my whole adult life? Equinox. I could get free period supplies at my fancy gym.Brad Crowell 11:34  Did not know that.Lesley Logan 11:35  Yes, I could, you can. So it was perks of being a member. But anyways, I just really like this, I like the idea. I think if we could help, it would also be great if these period people businesses would stop making the tampons in crinkly, loud paper, so these poor girls don't have to hide it in their sleeve and it crinkles, and then everyone knows what they're doing. Stop making things embarrassing, and also teach boys to not be assholes about it. All right, now we're good. I'm off my soapbox.Brad Crowell 12:02  Hey, if you have a charity that we think we should feature, or if you have a question that we might answer on our Sunday YouTube lives, go to beitpod.com/questions that's beitpod.com/questions and you can leave us either a win for the Friday episodes, or a question, or Lesley Logan 12:17  No questions. You can leave a charity. The link is so outdated, but we're not changing it, because it's living there. The questions we answer on Sundays on YouTube. Brad Crowell 12:25  That's what I was gonna say. So you can send in your question, and we'll answer it on YouTube on Sundays if you want to.Lesley Logan 12:31  All right, I guess, yeah.Brad Crowell 12:32  So stick around, we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 12:35  All right, so let's talk about Megan Applegate. She's the founder of Career Blueprint Solutions, and a recruiter, resume writer, and career coach who has spent the last seven years helping high achievers land the roles they actually want. After a 20-year career in hospitality, she pivoted into recruiting and built her business from the ground up. Today, she guides clients through the realities of modern hiring, from getting past the applicant tracking systems to positioning themselves on LinkedIn so the right opportunities come directly to them.Lesley Logan 13:06  Yeah, I was really excited to have her on because, you know, not everyone who listens to this wants to have their own business. A lot of people who listen to this want a good job, and there's so much uncertainty in the world with AI and all these different things. I'm tired of hearing the statistics, even though we've known it for years, where women are just not necessarily applying for jobs because they don't hit all the boxes they think. She has really navigated the change in how you apply for things, how you position yourself, and she's quite good at it in a way that made me feel like, "Oh, I could fucking have a resume." I mean, I'm not gonna do it, it's like writing my bio, just makes me cry, but for people who need that... We just had Clare Solly on, talking about exiting a career, exiting a job, whether it's your choice or someone else's, and so I just thought this is a really great resource for everyone who was really inspired by that episode. Something I love that she said is to understand that as you grow, you will naturally pivot your career or business, and I thought that was really cool because I think it's really easy to compare ourselves to past generations where we feel like our jobs are not linear, so then we look spastic. It's like, no, actually, it just shows that you are learning, and that learning is taking you into another direction, and your curiosities are taking you to different places. She said it's important to stay relevant by constantly questioning your methods and asking, "Should I do this differently?" I think that is a great thing that we could be doing because it forces us to actually keep our brain young and involved in what's going on. Sometimes we just get so set in doing things the same way, and there might be a better, faster way, or a way that actually challenges you, or a way that you could learn something new, because if you are learning every single day, it really does keep you current and up to date on what's going on, makes you more hireable.Brad Crowell 14:56  Yeah, I mean, it's easy to just sit back and be like, "Okay, I got this. It's rote," and so you're not actually staying on top of the industry and the changes in the tech and all that stuff.Lesley Logan 15:08  Well, it's also hard. We have so much things to do.Brad Crowell 15:13  but one of the things that we do in our company is we challenge our team and we say, "Hey, look, you are the expert on video editing, let's just say, so when you're out there scrolling through Instagram, and you're in your world doing your thing, and you find a tool that you think makes sense to help you with this job, that's the kind of thing that you're going to come across where we are not. If it's relevant, then you can bring it into the conversation." What does that tell me as the employer? "Oh, this person is paying attention, they're trying to be more efficient or find better tools," and that goes a long way. Honestly, if you're a Pilates teacher, this is effectively continuing education. It's the same kind of thing.Lesley Logan 15:56  Well, and also, it's interesting because, speaking of Pilates education, I announced the teacher training yesterday before I recorded this, and I had immediately someone going, "Well, is there going to be workshops after the program?" And I was like, "Of course. Also, first, people have to go through the program," so there probably won't be that until after 2028, and maybe even longer, because they won't know what continuing education they want to do. What I loved about what Megan was saying is, yes, keep learning every day, and go with what's exciting for you and challenging you. because the thing that happens is, too often we are like, "I have to learn everything," and then I got people taking both perimenopause andBrad Crowell 16:40  pelvic floor Lesley Logan 16:41  and neurologicalLesley Logan 16:43  and scoliosis and Lesley Logan 16:44  neural, so those are, and then your neurological stuff, and then you've got people who want to like study, like NFL people, and it's like you, that's too many different types of people, you can't be an expert, you'll get overwhelmed, and that's going to stress you out, so you won't know what you're most interested in or who you're attracting. Then you get good at what you're doing, and you're like, "Oh, I trust this expertise," that's what Megan said, and then you're gonna go, "Oh, I'm gonna go over here and learn this thing," right, and take every day, as she said, and learn. So I think it does take some time. You got to get good at your job so you know what the job is, and then you got to go, "I could do this better, or faster, we could be doing this over here," and when you do those things, your bosses do pay attention, and then you have to make note of that because it's going to help you if you want to switch jobs. It's totally fine to switch careers and switch jobs because you might be intrigued. Anyways, I want to get into what you love, so. Brad Crowell 17:35  Well, I mean, it rolls right into it. I was going to focus on what she was talking about, the cost of comfort, right? And so it's effectively the same thing. If you're like, "This is rote, I don't have to think about it, I'm just clocking in and clocking out," there is a cost to that. Basically, what she said is that it equals staying stagnant and the same. When you're comfortable, growth is only possible when you realize that getting uncomfortable is where you actually need to be, and that can be, well, uncomfortable, scary, a little bit scary, but you may already be doing some things that will help take you to the next level. When you are thinking bigger, thinking outside the box, when you are applying other things you're learning to your current job, it's going to shift and change, and it might be a little bit uncomfortable. You might actually have to go have a conversation with the person that you work for and say, "I had this thought, what do you think about this?" That actually brings to their attention that you're thinking, forward thinking, but it also helps when you're uncomfortable. It's consistently challenging and challenges you in a way where imposter syndrome can be easy to have sneak in, so you're constantly pushing against that. It's a muscle, the more you practice being in an uncomfortable place, the stronger you will be when you're battling the imposter syndrome.Lesley Logan 19:13  I just had someone tell me that they're putting off doing this one thing because they just had this imposter syndrome around it, and they're like, "I'm already doing this thing over here, if I take the final test, then I don't know, if I fail, it would just kill me." And I was like, "Oh my gosh, you have imposter syndrome. You have gone to extra workshops, you've done a comprehensive training. There are shitty teachers out there who've done one training who are stealing my lines and someone else's lines and putting it out there, and because of their sexy outfit, need thousands of followers, and they're asshole teachers. You are a great teacher, and you're letting imposter syndrome keep you from finishing? No, no. Next time you have imposter, think about the asshole teacher who does not care as much as you out there making the money you're not making." Sometimes you have to figure out that there are people who are not deserving of the job or the thing or the role or the raise that you need and want and deserve, and they're getting it because they're not getting stuck in the imposter, they're not letting the wall hit them.Brad Crowell 20:12  Yeah, I think imposter syndrome is so tough because it's almost always an internal conversation. It's very rare that someone else is like, "You're not qualified to do this." Now, there are haters on the internet that are gonna leave comments that say that, and those people can take a long walk, but this conversation typically happens hidden in your own head. In those moments, you could speak it out loud.Lesley Logan 20:38  Oh yeah, if you say it out loud, it does sound really... it does sometimes sound a little silly, it doesn't have as much power. You're like, "Whoa, what a weird thing to think."Brad Crowell 20:46  Yeah, the other day I was battling an internal conversation, and I thought, "What's the worst that could happen? Like, what is the absolute worst scenario in this fear that I have?" And then I spoke it out loud, like, "Oh my god, everything could come crumbling down," or whatever it was. Then I thought about, okay, well, what if that did happen? What would happen next? What would happen after that? I'd have to get back up and start over. And would I do it? Yeah, I would. It would probably not be fun or exciting, but now I would go back into it knowing all the things that I know today, and I would skip every mistake that I made the first time through doing whatever the thing was, because I already have the lived experience and knowledge, right?Lesley Logan 21:37  Yeah.Brad Crowell 21:38  So yeah, imposter syndrome, when you speak that out loud, that can be really helpful.Lesley Logan 21:43  Yeah, I like that idea. I think it's just also so easy to get in your head and say those things for yourself because someone somewhere along the lines told you it, or made you feel that way. Now it's just this thing. Honestly, when I was studying with BJ Fogg about habits, unraveling those thoughts is really difficult to do because you have to be aware that you're having the thought at the time to unravel what's the prompt that's happening. But at some point you do become aware, and that's where just speaking out loud will be helpful because it does take its power away. Brad Crowell 22:15  Yeah. Lesley Logan 22:16  And if you were to tell your best friend you were having that thought, for fucking sure they would be like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"Brad Crowell 22:17  Are you kidding? What's going on here?Lesley Logan 22:26  Like this one thing I went to, they made us all write down the things that we say to ourselves, you know, the shitty things we say to ourselves, and just write them down, and then. Brad Crowell 22:34  Read them out loud.Lesley Logan 22:36  Get this.Brad Crowell 22:37  Come on.Lesley Logan 22:37  They, even worse, they asked for two volunteers, and these two girls stood up. Brad Crowell 22:41  Switched.Lesley Logan 22:43  They made them switch the letters.Brad Crowell 22:45  Oh my god. Lesley Logan 22:45  And then, read it, look the person in the face and read it. "You're ugly, you're fat, you don't know what you're talking about." I'm crying. "You don't know what you're doing, you made these stupid mistakes." And they can't get through the letter because they are crying because they're like, "Well, it's not true, this isn't her." And they're like, "It's not true for you, you're crying because you know..." Anyways, oh my god, it's so awful, but it works. Brad Crowell 23:10  That's powerful. Lesley Logan 23:11  I don't know, maybe it's drama, but you gotta speak it out loud.Brad Crowell 23:17  Gotta speak it out loud. All right, well, stick around, we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 23:23  All right, welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items can we take away from your combo with Megan Applegate? She said, "Shift your perspective to view your resume like a sales document that paints a picture of your value." Now, there's so much in that one sentence, shift your perspective so that you view your resume like a sales document that paints the picture of your value. After listening to this interview, it was really interesting because one of the things she kind of slid in there but one of my biggest takeaways, was she said, "I get these amazing, fantastic candidates for roles, and as a recruiter, I recruit them to then place them," and she said they have all the things, they look good, they are successful, they've got an amazing history, they've got the resume, but then when they go to their LinkedIn, it's empty,Lesley Logan 24:13  right,Brad Crowell 24:13  and it makes them look like they don't exist,Lesley Logan 24:16  are not on top of their shit, they're not present,Brad Crowell 24:18  yeah, and so it was really interesting, because we coach people all the time when they're like, "Do you have to post on Instagram? Like, no, but yes, because you don't have to post every four seconds on Instagram. But if someone in your neighborhood is like, "Oh, I'm looking for a Pilates teacher, and they look up a blank Instagram profile, they're gonna be like, Lesley Logan 24:36  Is it open? Brad Crowell 24:36  Is this person real? You know, I'm not sure.Lesley Logan 24:39  Yeah, you don't have to post daily, but you could post once a week, even every other week, as long as it looks like, oh, they were around.Brad Crowell 24:44  Yeah, honestly, even once a month, it's just that there needs to be something there for them to see. Lesley Logan 24:49  For them to see the experience that they're going to get. Brad Crowell 24:51  So, with the LinkedIn thing, though, she said you want to be positioning yourself as a thought leader,Lesley Logan 24:58  yeah,Brad Crowell 24:59  and I thought, oh, that's really. Interesting. What does that mean? What does it mean to be a thought leader?Lesley Logan 25:03  Our guest, Ryan May McAvoy, kicks ass up this on LinkedIn. If you want to see an example besides Megan Applegate, Ryan May McAvoy will blow your mind. She is a thought leader in the HR world. So, I think about her all the time.Brad Crowell 25:16  Yeah, so how do we do that? What I would say is, if you had a second teacher in your studio, or even if it's a home studio, let's just pretend you have a second teacher, right, and you tell the person here at my studio, "This is how we do the thing," whatever the thing is, when they come in the door, we have a smile on our face, we treat them with whatever. These are thought leader kind of thoughts, where you're sharing your perspective, your expectation, what you want to do. It doesn't have to be a super long 20-page article, it can just be quick snippets of things that you expect or do for your space, for your clients. Honestly, once you get started doing this, it comes easier down the road because you start to get the hang of it, but it allows you to have an ongoing timeline of events on your LinkedIn profile. If and when you ever did need to build a resume, she said this is great because if you treat your resume like a sales document that paints the picture of your value, where are you pulling the resume stuff from? If your thought leading is about a win that you just experienced, "Today I sold a 10-pack," and it doesn't seem like it's a big deal for people who don't understand the industry, but it's a big deal. What does it actually mean? It means that a client made a decision to better power their life and all the things, and I get to be here guiding them through that experience, right? You could be saying, "All right, cool, now that was my first 10-pack, now I've sold 20 10-packs to different clients," and it kind of operates like a description of your career in a way. If you're marking these wins right, celebrating these wins and turning them into some kind of a thought that you're just sharing on your profile, then later, if you ever have someone look at your profile, it looks like you're a real person.Lesley Logan 27:21  Yeah, I love that.Brad Crowell 27:23  Yeah, what about you?Lesley Logan 27:24  Well, she had a four-step executable plan for career advancement, so I thought that'd be fun to repeat, which is start by deciding if you want to stay in your field and specifically understand where that next promotion is. So the next step will actually help you with that, but I thought, what a great action step you could take right now. Then search the internet for relevant job descriptions to find the key language, the KPIs, and the keywords employers are using. This way you can start to see what wins you have that are around those things, because you might already be ready for the promotion at another company, or you can actually strategically position yourself for a promotion in your own company. Look at those descriptions to figure out what they're saying and what they need and the problems that they've solved, so you can position yourself as a solution. That goes back to Brad's thing on your resume. Then update your resume and LinkedIn to signal where people can find you so they can reach out for that specific role. So you're literally taking all the things that your next job wants, and then fixing up your LinkedIn and your resume so it's ready, and then you... I don't know, you turn your light on, and that's what they call it, right? They turn a light on on LinkedIn.Brad Crowell 28:32  I have no idea.Lesley Logan 28:33  I think you do, and then other people, and that's how Clare Solly got the great job that she has.Brad Crowell 28:39  Yeah.Lesley Logan 28:39  Yeah, you turn your light on, right? Is that what you do? Brad Crowell 28:42  Open to work. Yes, turn your light on.Lesley Logan 28:44  Yeah.Brad Crowell 28:45  Most likely looking to activate the open to work feature. So, I don't think they call it turn your light on, but it's called open to work.Lesley Logan 28:51  I guess you can't call it turn your light on because it sounds like Roxanne. What's the one. Brad Crowell 28:56  That's exactly the one that you referenced in the interview?Lesley Logan 28:58  What's the song? Turn your light on. What's the song?Brad Crowell 29:03  Are you talking about Santana? Put your lights on.Lesley Logan 29:06  No.Brad Crowell 29:07  "Turn your light on." The Overtones? I don't actually..Lesley Logan 29:12  I guess Roxanne would go, "Don't turn the light on." And then, but there is, there's a song. It's in my head. It doesn't matter. Brad Crowell 29:20  I tried find it, because you referenced it, and I did not find it. So, there is a Judas Priest song, turn your light on.Lesley Logan 29:26  I wonder if I know Judas Priest. Ah, so the ADHD fails. It's like it's in there, it's in there. You guys, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 29:34  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:35  Megan Applegate had some great tools for you as well. So, make sure you go to her website and check her out, because she definitely has some really great tools. You can go find her on LinkedIn and do all that stuff. Listen to her on the episode, because she's brilliant. So, if this really resonates with you, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 29:48  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:49  You should send this episode to a friend who hates her job right now.Brad Crowell 29:51  Yeah.Lesley Logan 29:52  That's who this episode goes to.Brad Crowell 29:53  It's who it's for.Lesley Logan 29:54  Megan's episode goes there. This one is an interesting introduction to me and Brad. Thank you. Go Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 30:01  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 30:03  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 30:45  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 30:50  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 30:54  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 31:01  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 31:05  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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In part two of the Stuck Series, Lesley Logan unpacks why feeling stuck rarely has anything to do with a lack of motivation and what's really keeping you frozen. She breaks down how mismatched systems, unrealistic expectations, and unspoken fear quietly drain your energy, and offers a practical framework for moving forward. Find out how messy action, not motivation, is what finally gets you unstuck. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The role outsourcing and systems play in getting unstuck.How motivation is fickle and why you can't rely on it.Why mismatched expectations vs. reality requires a rebuildNaming the fear underneath the freeze, plus building a backup plan.Tactile tools: two-minute rule, friction reducers, and messy action.Episode References/Links:The Four Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin - https://a.co/d/0fgVJtiKTiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://tinyhabits.comEp. 613 Habit Series 1 - https://beitpod.com/ep613Ep. 614 Habit Series 2 - https://beitpod.com/ep614Ep. 616 Habit Series 3 - https://beitpod.com/ep616Ep. 617 Habit Series 4 - https://beitpod.com/ep617Ep. 619 Habit Series 5 - https://beitpod.com/ep619Ep. 620 Habit Series 6 - https://beitpod.com/620Ep. 622 Habit Series 7 - https://beitpod.com/ep622Ep. 623 Habit Series 8 - https://beitpod.com/623Ep. 256 with Rory Vaden - https://beitpod.com/ep256Ep. 688 Outgrowing Series 1 - https://beitpod.com/ep688Ep. 689 Outgrowing Series 2 - https://beitpod.com/ep689Ep. 93 with Jillian Flodstrom - https://beitpod.com/ep93Ep. 589 with Brad Bizjack - https://beitpod.com/ep589Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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Action brings clarity. That's the hardest thing about all of this, is we're all waiting for motivation, or for us to just like wake up one day unstuck, but truthfully, we have to take a step, take some messy action to actually get unstuck. Lesley Logan 0:21  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:04  Hi, Be It babe, welcome back. We're back on our stuck series, so we're getting unstuck today. So last episode we actually talked about what does feeling stuck actually feel like, and is it actually that we're stuck? And we kind of realized that we're not stuck, right? We might just be overwhelmed or lacking support or tools to get to where we want to go. We might have overwhelmed ourselves, or we might be putting pressure on ourselves, and that might be why we're feeling this way. It might be like being a perfectionist again. Sometimes it sneaks back up on us, right? So, the one thing that I hear people say that they need when they're feeling stuck is motivation, and we have to talk about motivation, because motivation is not the thing. Lesley Logan 1:37  I used to think that I'm just a super motivated person. When I was younger, I was like, "Oh my god, if I said I was gonna do something, I do it," right? And what you realize when you read The Four Tendencies book by Gretchen Rubin, you discover like, "Oh no, that's just a tendency I have." If I say I'm gonna do something, I do it, whereas other people need an accountability partner, or some people need to be able to make decisions. I'm gonna do what I said to do. So, as I got a little bit older and a bit in the stage of my life where I was running my businesses and there were things going on and I was struggling to do them, I thought, "Oh my god, I just need motivation to work on that." And because of the ADHD brain, I was probably just seeking dopamine hits, and that's how I was getting things done. As I worked on myself and got to know myself and stopped overwhelming and overloading myself with things to do, I actually just became a person who was, I don't know, whelmed. It wasn't motivation that I needed, but systems to help me continue to do the things that I said I wanted to do, and also with systems, making sure that I wasn't saying yes to things just because they were cool. Lesley Logan 2:41  So because I know me better, I have better boundaries, and because I understand how motivation works, I don't actually wait for the motivation to do the things. I understand how to set myself up so I can take one step at a time, celebrate what I did do, and then go again the next day. I'm no longer a person who's like, "I have to get my to-do list done every day," because that pressure actually slows me down, and it makes me not feel like I'm me doing the thing, right? I'm not a patient person. So, in case you're like, "Oh, I wish I was you," I'm not a patient person. So, if I can do it, if I can take action on the things that I want to do, if I can help myself move the needle one millimeter forward in a day, you can do it too, right?Lesley Logan 3:27  Because we don't need motivation. And if you didn't hear our episodes in December of 2025 about habits, where I talked about motivation as a very fickle girlfriend, and you can learn more about this in BJ Fogg's book, Tiny Habits, but essentially motivation is needed when something is very difficult to get started. Like when you turn on a car, you have a starter, right? I think that's what it is, and it helps get the car started. You also use more gas to get the car started, right? Planes are the same thing. And so you need motivation to get rolling, but then once you're rolling, you don't use as much gasoline, as much energy, or you don't need those things, right? So, motivation is best to be used when something is a bigger deal, or is going to require more of us than we are used to, but then once we have gotten started, ideally we're not waiting on motivation to just keep the ball rolling. That's where systems come into place, right? Lesley Logan 4:21  Motivation also is not something you can just go up, tap in, hit the motivation button, "I'm ready to go." Motivation is actually a fickle friend. It's kind of like my ADHD focus mode without Adderall. Yes, sometimes it hits, and I'm like, "Oh my god, I just got so much done," but mostly it doesn't ever hit at the time that I want it to hit. It's not going to hit because something's due tomorrow; it hits because of my ADHD, but it won't hit like, "I want to do it now and not under pressure." It doesn't hit then, right? So I can't wait for it. I talked about this in our habit series, motivation, you have to think of as like a really great friend that you go to parties with, but that you don't actually rely on to pick you up at an airport to take you to an important meeting. You would never do that. Lesley Logan 5:03  So, if the tasks that you are asking yourself to do don't match your energy, you are likely doing things that do not bring you joy, and if they did before, they don't now. Oftentimes we're doing things that we think we should be able to do, or we think we have to do, or we don't have the money to delegate it out, but just because you have done that before doesn't mean you have to keep doing it. What I will just say is part of getting out of a rut is looking at the responsibilities you feel you are supposed to be the person to take those on and actually ask yourself, "Is this something that I need to be doing? Does this have to be done right now? Does it have to be done today?" Because it may be time to outsource some of the things that you need to happen in your life, so that you can have the time and energy to do what you said you wanted to do. Lesley Logan 5:56  If you come on my retreats, oftentimes I'm like, "Hey, we can outsource. You can have groceries delivered. You can just save all your time driving to the grocery store, going up and down the aisles. You could just have them delivered. You can have a housekeeper clean your house, right, especially for the deep cleans." But honestly, we have that every week. Why? Because one, I like a clean house, because I want to work in that environment, but I don't like to clean the house. Because I don't like to clean the house, it makes me exhausted when I do it, and then it's done, I have this clean house now. Guess what? I don't want to work in it because I'm exhausted. So the tasks that you have on your plate don't match the energy, and then they're draining you, and that makes you feel stuck. So you can come on a retreat with me in Cambodia to learn how to figure out what you should get off of your list, but if you don't want to wait till that, I just want you to take a look.Lesley Logan 6:43  What are all the things that you think you should be doing? Are there tools now that would make those things easier? Pick the one that you least want to do, you avoid doing, and that lives rent-free in space in your head, right? How can we get rid of it, or get someone else to support us on that? Your systems that you're relying on often aren't matching the brain that you operate with. I have ADHD, and in order to get my work done, I have support from a psychiatrist. So, I do take an Adderall, and when I take it, I actually can focus, and then I can actually use the tools that I have put in place to help me get my work done. I definitely can tell days when I have it versus when I don't. I don't take it on my days off, but I can tell that trying to do the things that I need to get done on a workday without it, I end the workday more exhausted and wondering, "Why do I do what I do? Am I doing the right thing? Am I aligned? Do I even love this job anymore?" because it took so much out of me to get it done than when I have the support that my brain requires, right?Lesley Logan 7:46  But whether or not you have ADHD, the more you can understand how you think, how you operate, and have systems that match that, you know? If you are making to-do lists and never using them, then that's not helping you. You need to figure out a different tool. If you are making the projects that you have to do on your to-do list so big "build a website" of course, you're gonna feel stuck. That's a humongous task that will not get crossed off for four to six weeks at least. So we have to figure out, what are the ways that you operate? How do you meet expectations? I mentioned it before, but Gretchen Rubin's book, The Four Tendencies, is an excellent read. It helps you understand how do you meet the expectations you have, or that others have, and then when you know that, you can put systems in place. Lesley Logan 8:24  For example, Brad is a rebel, and Brad will say, "Oh, I'm going to get up early tomorrow and do yoga." Okay, but if I wake him up and go, "Hey, you wanted to get up early this morning and do yoga," he will say, "No, I don't want to do it," because he wants to have choice. He must have choice, right? Because he's a rebel, that's how you meet the expectations. So, if I say, "Hey, babe, yesterday you had mentioned that you wanted to get up and do some yoga, so did you still want to do that, or did you want to sleep for a little longer?" When I present it to him like that, he always is like, "Oh, no, I'm going to do the yoga," because he does want to do it, but he wants to have choice, right? If you're an obliger, you are someone who needs accountability to get things done, so you need to find ways in your systems to have accountability to get things done, so you get them done. I'm an upholder, so if I said it I'm going to do it, which is also why if I say no to you, it's not because I don't love you, it's because I know I won't be able to get it done. I will never backtrack on an agreement, right? So if your systems don't match how you operate, then you are going to get stuck and overwhelmed. Lesley Logan 8:25  Okay, another way to get out of the rut is matching your expectations with reality, so you're not unmotivated, you're mismatched. Like if you have an expectation like, "Okay, tomorrow I'm gonna get up early. I know I'm not a morning person, but I'm gonna get up early, and I'm gonna go run two miles." But one, you're not a morning person, and you haven't run in a year. You're not doing those things, and that's going to feel like, "Oh my god, I just wasn't motivated." No, you are not that person. You are not someone who wakes up early. You are not someone who runs.Lesley Logan 9:57  So we actually have to make sure that the expectations that we have placed on ourselves actually match the reality of what systems we have in place today, right? So, if you're like, "I want to make 10,000 a month with my business," but you're not even making 1,000 a month, those expectations don't match reality. You actually have to first make 1,100, and 1,200, 2,000, and then 5,000. You can have the goal that "I want to make 10,000 a month," but you can't do it next month if you have never done it before, right? They don't match reality, so you basically have put pressure on yourself and overwhelmed yourself, and put yourself in a stuck position. Versus if you took time to go, "Okay, what are some realistic expectations that I can place on myself that I can do this week, and then I could do tomorrow and I can do today?" working backwards, then you actually don't need motivation; you'll have broken things down in a way that allows you to get them done. Lesley Logan 10:51  So, I will say, like the ADHD, we talked about this a moment ago, but yes, it has that super focus mode, but like the motivation, we can't wait for it. So what I highly recommend to my ADHD people is you really can't lean on motivation. You can't wait for those focus modes. You have to learn your brain, and you have to learn the systems that help you. And there are some great experts out there. You know, Brad piles the mail all in this one place, so every day we pick up the mail, that's a win for an ADHD couple, and we put it in a pile. We don't put it anywhere, we put it in a pile, and then on Mondays he actually goes through it, right? That's the system that works. I mean, you'd be surprised, I know you think you don't operate well with systems, but when you get the systems that work for you, they work for you, and so it really helps you remain unstuck and not leaning on motivation or focus mode to help you like clean everything. Because what we know you're gonna do is organize a cupboard and then not have cleaned anything, and now we have a messier kitchen. I know. Hello, I know me. Lesley Logan 11:49  Fear is another real reason to feel stuck. So, if you're listening to this because the outgoing episode really got your attention, you've outgrown an old version of yourself, but you're feeling stuck right now because of fear, fear of loss, fear of responsibility, fear of failure. Right, that's real. It's real, and it's important that we don't diminish the fear that we have. If that is what the problem is, because anyone telling you there's nothing to be afraid of, it's not helpful, right? It's like someone telling me like, "Calm down." You're like, "Do you want to see me calm down?" So, what I know about fear in the studies that I've done on it, the really important things that you can do is, one, call it out. What are you afraid of? What are you afraid is going to happen? If you don't want to say it out loud, write it down. If you don't know what it is, but you know there's a fear there, then just keep writing until it comes out, right? What is this thing that I'm afraid is going to happen? "I'm afraid no one's, everyone's gonna... no one's gonna like me." No one is gonna like you. And then you're like, "Why am I afraid about that? Why do I think that's gonna happen?" right? Like, take some time to really understand why you have this fear, because if you can actually identify it, then we can create an exit strategy, right? A backup plan. Because the truth is that nothing ever is as bad as or as good as we want or fear. "Oh my god, if I do this thing, I'm gonna die." Well, that's not happening, because you just listened to this. "Oh my god, if this goes so well, I'm gonna have a million dollars." Well, maybe you do, but most of the time we land somewhere on a spectrum, and so take some time to like really truly go, "What am I actually afraid of?" Lesley Logan 13:22  So you can have a backup plan, so then you can move forward, right? Because these practical shifts, they actually help, because an all-or-nothing mindset is what's keeping you stuck, right? Like, this practical... like, "Okay, I'm afraid that if I do this thing, I'm gonna lose everything." You're gonna lose everything, okay? All of it. Like, if this thing goes wrong, you're not gonna have any of this to back up on? Then you start to realize, "Well, no, actually, I'll just lose $1,000. I'll lose $3,000." Okay, that's a legit fear. I don't want to lose $3,000 ever. I don't want to lose $3. So, what things can help me realize if I'm on the wrong path? What are some signs or KPIs that could help me before it goes the wrong way, so I could stop it and turn the ship around? Or if that does happen, then what will I do? Because when you have that, all of a sudden you have clarity. Because get this: action is the antidote to fear. Taking the action, taking an action that helps get you unstuck is the antidote to fear, and it brings clarity. Action brings clarity. That's the hardest thing about all of this: we're all waiting for motivation, or for us to just wake up one day unstuck, but truthfully, we have to take a step, take some messy action to actually get unstuck. Lesley Logan 14:35  So, I did want to give you guys a couple of tactile things, like some "be it" things. So, one is like a two-minute rule. Sometimes a two-minute rule can be, "I can feel this way for two minutes and I'm gonna get started," or "I can do this thing over here in two minutes at a time, or I'll get started." That's helpful. Also, you can break down all the tasks you want to do into two minutes. We had Jillian Flodstrom on as a guest, and I think she said it in the podcast, but she might have done it in a webinar for us. Anyway, you should listen to her episode. She said like, "I break all tasks into something I can do in two minutes, because that makes it really easy. I'm waiting two minutes, I can do one thing. Okay, I can do this next thing," right? Lesley Logan 15:08  Reducing friction, so this is going to be just like taking a moment to see how many things that you have going on that are actually causing friction in your life. Are you trying to get too much stuff done in a day, or in a morning? Are you trying to be a morning person? How can we reduce that friction, so that it's just a little easier to get things done, right? Maybe it's the deadlines that you placed on yourself. How can you do that? Or perhaps it's like, "Okay, I cook for everybody all week long, but I just can't." Okay, how do we ask for help? So, just reduce the friction. And this is crazy, I know some people at the Be It Till You See It podcast are gonna say this, yeah, lower your expectations. Lower expectations of yourself, especially because sometimes we set the bar at 150%. Honey, you can be at 100% and you're still gonna slay more than most people. Most people don't take action. Most people have the same thoughts every single day. So, if you could just actually operate on an actual scale of 100%, not 150%, you would be unstuck tomorrow, yesterday, right? Because you don't need to do the whole thing, you don't need to be able to do all the things that will help get you unstuck.Lesley Logan 16:19  You just need to begin to do one thing, take one step. And I said this already a couple of times, take this messy action, because if motivation isn't the thing that's going to get us moving, because it's not, I mean, it might get us started on something really difficult, but it's not going to be the day-to-day, then what we actually need is messy action. And you hear that in every intro of all of our podcasts: "take messy action." And the reason is because you get some good feedback. So we will have some messy action episodes coming up for you soon in a future series, but until then, I'd love for you to take a moment, maybe revisit the first episode, and really identify like, "Am I actually stuck or am I in overwhelm, or do I have outdated systems, or do I just need a little bit of clarity to get started on this next thing? Or am I afraid?" Once you have identified how you're stuck and what's going on, you can take the first next steps to anything, and that means being it until you see it. Lesley Logan 17:17  All right, my loves, send this to a friend who needs to hear it. Thank you so much for being you. Send in any questions or aha moments at beitpod.com/questions, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 17:27  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 18:10  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 18:14  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 18:19  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 18:26  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 18:29  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Your nice hosts have talked a lot over the years about exploitative game design, and this week we brought in an expert on gamification to lay out some of the dark patterns in games that take players' money and time via deceptive framing and UX.https://samliberty.comSam Liberty - MediumSam Liberty - LinkedInDark PatternsGame DesignWhy “Addictive” Gameplay Should Never Be The Goal - Lydia Symchych, ELB LearningHEXAD FrameworkAddiction by Design - Natasha Dow SchüllTiny Habits: The Small Changes That Change Everything - BJ FoggHow to Change: The Science of Getting from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be - Katy MilkmanHow dating apps weaponized loneliness against their users - Sam Liberty

This week, Amber kicks off a new book series with the first two chapters of BJ Fogg's Tiny Habits. Together, we unpack Fogg's behavior model — B = M + A + P (Behavior = Motivation + Ability + Prompt) — and explore why lasting change has less to do with willpower and more to do with designing habits that are actually doable. We talk about the common trap of aiming too big too fast, why “failure” often means the system was unrealistic from the start, and how shrinking goals into small, specific actions can create real momentum over time. From brushing one tooth to building life-changing routines, this conversation dives into the psychology behind behavior change and how tiny shifts can lead to surprisingly powerful results. If you've ever struggled to stay consistent with new habits, routines, or goals, this episode offers a refreshing and compassionate perspective on starting small, celebrating progress, and setting yourself up for long-term success.

Most people know what they should do to be healthier. So why is it so hard to actually do it?In this episode of NHA Today, Dr. Stephan Esser sits down with Luanne Spiros, a Yoga Alliance E-RYT 200, ACSM Cancer Exercise Specialist, master beekeeper, and behavioral change expert who has spent her career helping people build healthy habits that actually last.This conversation cuts through the generic advice and gets into the real mechanics of change. Why is movement easier to start with than nutrition? What makes the social environment so powerful? And what three skills does everyone need to make healthy living stick for life?You will also hear about her work in oncology yoga and what she will be leading at the NHA Annual Conference in June.In this conversation, you will learn:Why movement tends to be the better entry point than nutrition for most peopleThe three S's: social, skills, and setting -- and why they make or break healthy livingThree skills everyone needs to build lasting health habitsWhy reward beats fear as a long-term motivator (and what the research says)The hardest parts of going plant-based and how to plan around themHow to build exercise into your life so it stops feeling like something to bolt onWhat oncology yoga is and how it gives cancer patients agency and hopeHow to handle a partner or household that isn't on the same pageBook recommendations from this episode: Atomic Habits by James Clear, Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg, Willpower by Roy Baumeister.---LINKS AND RESOURCES---Full episode and show notes:NHA Today on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgXfvjZj34HbsD3-47eEC2kjBWeIvNhHlSubscribe on your favorite platform: https://www.healthscience.org/podcast/NHA Annual Conference (June 25 to 28): https://checkout.healthscience.org/2026-nha-conferenceFollow Dr. Esser: https://www.instagram.com/esserhealth/ ---About NHA Today: The National Health Association has championed the science of true health for over 75 years. NHA Today brings that legacy into your weekly routine with honest, evidence-based conversations to help you live your most vital life.

When was the last time you made a decision that fit for you? Performance coach and creative business strategist Shari Teigman joins Lesley Logan to pull back the curtain on the chaotic beauty of perimenopause. Shari specializes in helping high-achieving people stop following outdated templates to finally start listening to their own internal rhythm. This episode is a permission slip to stop holding everyone else's baggage, how to move from fear to curiosity, and start making decisions that actually serve the woman you are becoming today. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Navigating the "not this" phase to rediscover your true identity.Why perimenopause is the best time for deep internal decluttering.The "red shoe" analogy for carrying other people's emotional baggage.How to transition from paralyzing fear to productive, playful curiosity.Using internal contradictions to stop lying to your own nervous system.Episode References/Links:Shari Teigman Website - https://shariteigman.comShari Teigman Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shariteigmanThe Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose - https://sharidteigman.ac-page.com/TheMaverickWayPrelaunch?test=trueFemGevity - femgevityhealth.comBig Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - elizabethgilbert.com/books/big-magicTiny Habits by BJ Fogg - tinyhabits.com/bookWhat to Expect When You're Expecting by Heidi Murkoff - https://a.co/d/0j80fU42Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsGuest Bio:Shari Teigman serves as a catalyst for high achievers who are ready to dismantle the status quo and reclaim their individuality. As a performance mentor and strategist, she guides leaders through the process of unlearning rigid structures to make room for radical, creative breakthroughs. Shari is best known for her ability to cut through the noise with a blend of sharp strategic insight and a "Maverick" spirit, encouraging her clients to stop adjusting to external pressures and start building lives that resonate with their core values.Beyond her strategic work, Shari is a dedicated advocate for personal sovereignty, helping global professionals navigate the complex intersection of high-level performance and emotional well-being. By challenging the traditional "resiliency" narrative, she provides the tools necessary to move from a state of constant survival into one of intentional, authentic growth. Whether she is addressing the mental shifts of perimenopause or the hurdles of international business, Shari's mission is to ensure that success never comes at the cost of self-recognition. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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You call it your culture, your religion, your family, your blah, blah, blah. And you open up this bag and it's filled with shit you don't know, so you have no room for new stuff.Lesley Logan 0:18  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:57  All right, Be It babe, get ready. Get your notes out if you're driving, Get your ears on. This is an interview I was stoked to have, and I'm even more excited for it to be in your ears right now than I could have imagined. Shari Teigman is our guest today. She is the coach for Mavericks. But really, truly, you high flying women that listen to this podcast who are going through perimenopause, maybe already there may be on the other side, but when I talk about being it until you see it, sometimes you're like, well, who am I? Now? We are going to dive into so many different amazing tools, tats. There's going to be nuggets that are going to just go that hit right where I needed it to. You will relisten to this episode. I know it's great. We did record during Mercury in Retrograde. So there are a couple of times where I think there might be a blip in the audio. I promise you you didn't miss anything. So please bear with the three of those that happen if my team didn't get rid of them and and just know that like the magic is here, and it's very much worth listening to, and relistening to and sharing with a girlfriend of yours who needs to hear it. So here is Shari Teigman. Lesley Logan 2:06  All right, Be It babe. So here's the deal. I have been kind of stalking this woman for a bit through the socials, and when I saw her and what she raves about, I was like, oh, we have to have her on the be it pod. She is exactly what you guys need to hear today and probably repeat this episode. We haven't had it yet, but I have a feeling there's gonna be some nuggets you're gonna want to relisten to. So Shari Teigman, tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. Shari Teigman 2:30  I would say I feel pressure, but I don't. I'm just excited. So thank you for having me. I'm very excited to be here and stalking right back. So I always love finding a friend on the interwebs that sounds and moves like me. Well, you move better than I do, Pilates and all, but the energy, the excitement and the passion for life and a lot of realness as well. So I am a performance coach and a creative business strategist, and I help people unleash the Maverick within them. So it's stopping following everyone else's bullshit templates and moving into a space where you're listening to your own gut, you're following your own rules, and it doesn't mean you're rebelling against anything, and it doesn't mean you have to be angry at everyone. You know the stage of life can come with a little perimenopausal rage, which is always welcome in my world. But I work with both men and women to find a beat of their own drums so that they don't have to be checking in everyone's yards to see what they're doing and measuring themselves non stop. We're not in high school. I didn't do it in high school. I'm certainly not doing it now. So that is the fire that I like to bring to the world.Lesley Logan 3:27  Oh, I love that, and I love how clear you are in what you do. And I'm sure many people's ears perked up on the menopausal race, all that stuff, because I think, like one of the things that so I started doing this podcast years ago, and I'm like, I know who I am and people are trying to figure out why I'm so confident, and really, it's just because I do things scared. But then, like, you know, you start to get past 40, and you're like, why am I freaking out? Well, who? Why am I (inaudible). Shari Teigman 3:52  Fearless me? Lesley Logan 3:54  Yeah, why, why am I hesitating? Like, what? What is happening and and like, in being until I see it, it's like, wow, this is, like, a lifelong thing. Thank goodness I like doing this. But also, but also, like, it is interesting to get to know yourself again when you especially for the women who love the show and who we attract, who thought they did, and now they're like, kind of feeling like my girlfriend said today that she feels like she has, like, sea legs.Shari Teigman 4:20  Yeah, it's so nice of you to call it interesting, to get us to know ourselves, because I have some other choice words for the state of life while I accept it and rage, it's fascinating. And may not get all metaphysical here, and you're going to have to drag me into a crone phase of my life. I don't plan on going lightly or gracefully, but there is the no shits given point where we do get to course correct and say, okay, for those of us who did know ourselves for the past 15, 20, 30 years to check in that that's still what we want, or the identifications are still valid and accurate and have not expired just because everyone else like someone they work for everyone else. So it's a real face to the fire moment of I say I'm all these things. I better check in that I still am because I'm too tired and can't remember anything to pretend I'm something that I'm not. So I think it's a real truth telling phase. And like I said, I'm not planning on getting old and wise, but I will be loud and old and happy, fun. I just got to get through this can't remember my name thing, and then, you know, carry on to the next chapter. Lesley Logan 5:28  The other day, I saw this thing, and the guy was on Instagram, and the guy was like, hey, you meet someone who was born in 1995 and it's, they're 30 years old. And you're like, that's interesting. I'm 30 years old. And then I'm like, weird. And then I was like, wait, oh, I'm not I. I just keep thinking that I am.Shari Teigman 5:45  Yes, my eldest son turned 26 and I am not okay because I'm 22 and I'm not good at math, but that is not math. That is off, all off. Lesley Logan 5:50  So you said we have to, like, check in with ourselves. And I think that that is, like, a brilliant thing that no one has told us to do, right? Like, as you grow up, everyone's like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And then you go to school to be that thing, and you're like, check the box. And I think all the high flyers are good box checkers. Like, check this box and check that box and and so we've checked all the boxes, and then we get to a place, it's like, but how do you check in? Like, you add more boxes. What? What did you do, Shari? Like, how do you check in to see if these are the things you still want?Shari Teigman 6:22  So it's a long answer, Lesley. Lesley Logan 6:24  I'll take it. Shari Teigman 6:27  For me, I have, I have decluttered the boxes many times, because for the first 33 years of my life, I fit very well into the boxes I was supposed to that I was given. And I did a great job, and I was funny about it and zesty about it, and Miss bubbly and head cheerleader and exactly what you think I was like at 18. I still am like at 51 and I went through a really rough divorce in my early 30s as a mom of two kids, and after a couple of years of survival and just knowing what I didn't want, which is a very painful but beautiful process I can say now later, that not knowing what I want, Liz Gilbert had a great I saw her in an interview, and I love her. In my head, she's my best friend, but she just doesn't know it yet. So we'll let her know it's fine. But my bestie, Liz said on this podcast, she went through an era which was called not this. So everything became not this, not this, not this. Most of us think we have to know what we want, and you said it, we're asked when we're younger, what do you want to be? I have no idea what the hell I want to be. I have no idea what the things are my options. So I can pick something off the cereal shelf and not know what's inside. And then, because I said it, I then went to school for it, and then I wore the t-shirt for it, and I told everyone about it, and I posted on social media about it. I can't not do it now. So we wear these costumes for a while, and then they start getting tight and uncomfortable, and not because of the perimenopausal weight. I mean, internally. And then you say, wait, am I allowed to put it down? Is the question I asked myself. So in this, not this phase, at the end of my divorce with these two amazing kids that I love, I then free myself from a situation and I saw black because I had no idea who I was and I had no idea what I wanted. I hadn't gotten up to asking myself that question, probably for the first time in my life at 34. Terrifying, highly don't recommend, but we got here. And so I think at that point, I stripped away everything that I knew and said, well, if none of this was true, what if I could be anything? So hence, the Maverick was born after, I mean, I make it sound really nice, there were a lot of crying on the floor and break down in the therapist's office. And I had had psychiatrists call me scrappy. He's like, you don't need meds, you're scrappy, you'll be fine. I blew up at him, and I don't react to anyone. I was like, I get a reward for being able to constantly be in survival mode. Americans, brace yourself. He refunded me my $250 which does not happen in our country. He was so apologetic that he pissed me off so much he probably got all the rage that everyone in my life until then had not gotten. It was amazing. So the long answer is, I checked in, and all of a sudden nothing felt like me. And while that was scary, it was so liberating, because I didn't have to fit new stuff into an old package. I was like, wee let's just turn the whole thing upside down, and I rebuilt what I wanted and put the right things back in in the drawer, instead of whose is this sock? Like example I always use is, I think the first piece of finding yourself is unpacking. So let's say you go on a girl's weekend with a bunch of friends, and the last night's a little blurry. No one remembers how they got to the airport. You get home, you open your polka dotted suitcase, and there's a red shoe. You don't have a red shoe. You go into the WhatsApp group, you're like, hi, guys, has everyone thrown up yet? Anyone's red shoe? Does this belong to anyone? Of course, you know it's not yours. But in our lives, we walk around carrying everyone else's red shoes and polka dotted bags and pile of crap, and you walk around wheeling it with you, because you call it identity, you call it belonging, you call it your culture, your religion, your family, your blah, blah, blah. And you open up this bag and it's filled with shit you don't know so you have no room for new stuff. So you and I's come into the world with all this passion and all this excitement, and everyone's hands are filled wondering, where do I put one more thing? You have to unpack, and you have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to then get a chance to make any choices.Lesley Logan 10:33  That is an I love that long answer so much because it's like the simple like, the part that we all wanted to hear was like the short answer, oh, just do these three things. Shari Teigman 10:44  I can't do it because I don't believe it. And I used to listen to it and cry and think I was broken because I don't have that availability. So now what do I do? Lesley Logan 10:51  Yeah, and I also like, thank goodness, like, that guy gave that money back. I can't believe there was a guy and he gave his money back. I can't believe it was a man who told you you don't need drugs. But I can't believe apologize (inaudible) because one of the things that like, I it like, is nailed on a chalkboard when someone goes, oh, you're just so resilient. I'm like, I don't want to be resilient anymore.Shari Teigman 11:14  And I hang that one up because I know, and I know you all appreciate it, but it's killing me from the inside, so (inaudible) anymore? Thank you for appreciating it. Lesley Logan 11:25  Right because also, like, of course, as a business owner, as someone who's still, like making the money we need to make till we're retired and living our best life. Resiliency is great in my day to day, like operating my business, but like being resilient in my friendships and my family-ships and all that stuff, it's like, no, because then you don't ever check on me. No one checks on me. Shari Teigman 11:43  And also, we don't know how to ask for help yet then, because it's already uncomfortable and there's no room for it, so you're like, but can I? No, can't, no. Lesley Logan 11:51  Why can't I ask you because I'm holding your red shoe. I can't ask you because I'm holding your red shoe. Shari Teigman 11:56  And I never learned how, so I guess I'm the red shoe holder now.Lesley Logan 12:01  Okay, so, but then, like, so we have to, I love the not this, and I love the unpacking. I think that that is so key. It's, I mean, like, you know, there's something I want to, I want to do in our business, and it requires letting go of some other things. Like, you can't, can't just keep adding to the, you know, it's so then it's unraveling. Like, well, what am I letting go of? And what? What does that look like? And for everyone listening who is freaking out, I'm not letting go of the things that you're paying for, don't worry. It's like, doesn't affect you. It's not affecting you. There's no change affecting you. Okay? It's affecting the people who work (inaudible) I know I'm like, it's affecting, it's affecting the people who work for me. It's not affecting you. You have to stipulate, because people start to freak out, like, so, but thankfully, I understand that right, like the old, the old me would have been like, okay, let's just, let's just, let's just add these, undo that expander zipper and, like, shove, we'll just shove this in. So I love that. I know that about myself now, and I think that that is the real key. But I think, you know, you Shari, got to figure that out kind of in your 30s and so, and like, I find that a lot of people are figuring out in perimenopause, as they're freaking out and don't know themselves, and now they have to unpack. And that's a I find, I still, I feel nervous for that, because is it a hard time to, like, relearn who you are, or is it the best time to relearn how you are?Shari Teigman 13:21  Both. It's hard and the best time. Because as crazy as this sounds, because from a neuroplasticity place, we can't hold on to as much of the story as we did because of the brain fog and the hormones changing, there's a release valve comes. But what's terrifying about it is we never had it before. So the feeling of loss of control is one that makes us want to grip to the old story, my old identity, the things that I achieved in my job before the younger people came in and take it, or technology's changing, or my kids no longer think I'm cool, or I've been with my husband 40 years. I can't even hear him chew anymore. You know, like all the things that we hear from this rage that they don't realize is coming from a lack of tolerance, the tipping point in themselves of what they've made okay for themselves for all these years. So it comes out in a burst, because it's not going to come out any other way. There's not going to be everyone at 2pm everyone open up their computers, scream, and then close it, and we'll all feel better. I mean, I feel like we should start this. The world would be a much better place. But since we don't have it, we wait until everything is chaotic and we hate everything, and then we have to start looking at it. So the kind of stuff I teach, when I teach with FemGevity and with a lot of my private clients, is just starting to ask yourself better questions. Instead of assuming it's only this one category of life, it gives you more permission to be creative. I think if we move from fear to curiosity, we ask better questions, we get better answers. It doesn't mean I'm asking anyone to change anything yet, but when was the last time you made a decision that fit for you? I know it hurts, because even as I teach it, I'm like, brace yourself, girls, because we're going in and I'm going in there with you, oh, my god, I haven't made a decision for myself or I didn't think of my partner, or I didn't think of my team, or I didn't think of my kids, or I didn't think what my family is going to think. I don't know. I don't know the last time I asked myself that. So then I have someone just start with an easy thing. What do you want for dinner? And it's heartbreaking to ask a woman in their 40s and 50s, what she wants for dinner, and she looks at you with a blank look because she doesn't know. She (inaudible) went to what do I have leftovers for the kids, for tomorrow, for school? What can my husband take? What did I get from the supermarket that's about to spoil? I asked what you want for dinner, and then the tears go. What kind of TV do you want to watch? What sheets do you want on the bed? And we're talking professional, high achieving women who just look completely blankly at no one ever taught me to I wouldn't, wasn't allowed to ask a question. There was no space in my high achieving masculine run life and then emotional vulnerability that I have to hide. Who has space for it? So I think if we allow ourselves in this perimenopausal phase to say the exploration can be curious and creative and playful and find community to do it in. You're not crazy or we're all crazy together, and we're just going to figure this out, and there's no right or wrong answer, and no one is taking anything away from you. So it's in sovereignty we get to unpack one whole red shoe for another three years? Go right ahead, girl, no one's pulling the shoe away from you, but if we can slowly untangle the things that hurt us the most limit us the most, a lot of the other stuff sorts itself. It just feels like an emergency because we've never asked ourselves the question. Lesley Logan 16:38  Yeah, it feels like an emergency because I also think like we are so, our brains don't really know how to prioritize different things, so we the red shoe and the leftovers and that big merger you're working on, or whatever it is, they all take up the same priority level in the brain. So that's why they feel like that, right? But I want to highlight something, you said, untangle. And I think that's where a lot of people don't understand that that's such a key word I got to study with BJ Fogg and his and his habits training, and he talks about how to break a habit, which is, you have to, there's no such thing. It's not a stick. You have to unravel it. Because a habit is something that you no longer like, that you do, like a habit.Shari Teigman 17:21  I don't know how to make habits. I'm like, oh, sure, you do. Where's your chocolate habit? Where is your phone scrolling habit? Like you're an epic master at your habits. Everyone needs to be different. Who is it? We're wired.Lesley Logan 17:33  We're wired, you're, it literally is a brain wiring thing. And so untangling those things, and it's true, like when you can figure out, okay, I would like to untangle that I have I don't get to choose what I'm having for dinner. You know, then it becomes, you get to figure out, well, where did it start? Well, actually, maybe everyone you've been thinking about, everybody wants for dinner, and they actually thought you were thinking what you wanted for dinner.Shari Teigman 17:57  And also you're dead on. And it's a more gentle process. It's not like you walk into the family and say, you can all fuck off and make your own food. I want pasta, and they will look at you like, did you bang your head? And then that perimenopausal terror on everyone else's face, receiving the rage is like, oh, wait a second. Can everyone pick a night like they're gentle ways to do this. I actually want everyone else to make some decisions in this house, teenagers then feel empowered. A partner is then included. You get to pick, or guess what, you're allowed to eat something different than everyone else. It's most of these parameters we put on ourselves, and we blame everyone else because we didn't ask.Lesley Logan 18:34  Yeah, yes, no, I'm laughing so hard. Okay, so my husband, he's amazing at doing projects at night. Like, he like, he like, like, the sun goes down, I go to bed, and he is like, you know, he becomes the midnight gardener. Or, like, he puts together something, or, right before I turn this on, he's like, hey, did you see the thing I did in your office? Like, he put all the cords, you know, all the cords, in like, a little sleeve. So, like, it's nice. I know, we love him. Last night, he was doing the same thing he did the same thing he did the night before. The night before, I slept like the dead. I got like a 90% recovery, last night, 1:14 I'm hearing this like It's like drilling, and I am like, did I get up and go, hey, that's I just woke up to that. No. Instead, do you know I did? I sat there for 15 minutes going, when the fuck is it gonna be done? (inaudible) And then I marched down the hall, like, what the fuck are you doing? Shari Teigman 19:28  Why is this a good idea? Lesley Logan 19:31  Why are you doing this? And he's like, I did this last night. I didn't wake up last night. And I was like, well, clears in a different part of my rim cycle. I'm clearly in a different part of my cycle right now.Shari Teigman 19:44  Wind has blown. I am no longer who I was yesterday. You should have known that.Lesley Logan 19:49  Hello, but like, it's this funny thing, because we we do take on so much, and we wait until it's the paramount explosion to say what we're thinking instead of like, I thought, at at the moment I woke up, I thought, what is that noise? And if I had just been inquisitive it could have been, oh, hey, instead of, like, the and then, of course, did I sleep? No, I didn't sleep because I was angry.Shari Teigman 20:10  You weren't finished. You were still processing. You know, it comes like someone doesn't throw out a tissue and the whole house you're on fire just because you didn't say 14 other things because, oh, it's fine. It's fine. It's no longer fine, ladies, it, none is, nothing's fine. So we have to find our voices be kind, and realize we taught everyone else how to treat us so we don't get to be mad at them. We get to teach them what the next version of us needs, and most of us have no idea. So we get to sit down with our children, and we get to sit down with our partners and our friends and our family members, as terrifying as it is, and say there's a new sheriff in town, and I'm just getting to know her, and I need a little grace. And I like I know for my partner, I'm not speaking for him, but I could see the relief on his face when I'll actually say what I'm feeling, instead of him trying to guess which mood I'm in, or I say I have no idea what I need. And he's so relieved, because then he doesn't have to figure it out. Like the people who love us just want us better. Is it over yet? I wish it was over. I don't have cold. I'm just 51 it does. I don't know when it ends.Lesley Logan 21:17  I know that's the fun part. It's like, like, and also, and also, if you care about your heart health, ladies, you want to keep it going for a really long time, so then you better figure out how to talk about what you need and how to manage is the, not the word I want to because I don't like the way that it sounds, but like navigate or dance with all of this change, because once you are on the other side of this and your brain has changed and all the things, then you get to worry about your heart. So I'm just gonna say like you might want to lengthen this out and figure out who you want to be.Shari Teigman 21:54  Also, what an opportunity. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I like to take the funny side of life. If we already feel like shit. Why don't we start unpacking when we already feel like shit? I'm not gonna wait till I feel better to then figure it out. I'll be much more honest with myself if I have frustration. It's like, you know what? I don't want to do that anymore, even though I've done it every Tuesday for the past 20 years. I'm good. I don't want to apologize for it. No is a complete sentence. I don't have to be unkind. But I'm done. I'm done with that task at work. People then learn your new boundaries, and weirdly, they adjust faster than we do. No one else stays up at night worrying about this. Oh, she wants something different, cool. Oh, God, I should have said that 20 years ago. Why didn't I say that 20 years ago? Lesley Logan 22:35  Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's, that is, I think, where a lot of people get stuck. It's like, why, why? And it's like, almost like it's that is worth exploring. And also, in the meantime, just start sticking up for yourself now.Shari Teigman 22:46  Process it later but we'll get to it. And I find a lot of my clients, both men and women, are so terrified to put down what they've been doing, because if they realize that it's much easier to get unstuck than it was to get stuck, they're mortified at how long they tortured themselves, in their mindset, in their performance, in their roles, in what they made true. I could just decide tomorrow not to be stressed about that. Obviously, there's more to it. But then, what do I do with the 20 years of torture that's I have to reconcile that I lost that time, or I gave that away, or I let someone else make decisions for me, it's painful, but we don't have to sit in it, acknowledge it, and say, I'm not going to lose any more days.Lesley Logan 23:28  Yeah, yeah. I guess, like, do they need to I mean, do they need to feel the pain? Do they need to grieve? How do they what is the best way to acknowledge it so that they can, you know, keep going with the new way and be satisfied in that?Shari Teigman 23:41  I love the question, because most people think I can't do that. You have no choice if you want to get there. I believe that equal to the level of joy and fulfillment and peace you want, you have to be willing to go as deep as you want to go high it's we don't get to close off one door and then think, you know the arrow is going to stretch without pulling it back. So I like to call it the glorious end. I can be pissed off and ready. I can be terrified and excited. I can be sad and elated about something. So if I don't allow the emotion, the emotion will sneak up on me when I don't want it, it will come out in the who put the empty cereal box back in the cabinet. It'll come out at work when it should have come out at home and vice versa. It'll come out in too small a new decision, because I don't have the bandwidth to make the real decision I want. Why would we waste more energy? So for me, I tell everyone, men and women, feel it. Punch a pillow. Cry in a pillow, write it out. Burn it out, whatever your ritual needs to be dance it out, bang it out. I'm actually coming out with a journal in a few months that is basically, it's called The Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose. And every exercise is more ridiculous than the next one. And it's like, the Fuck It Resume is one of them. Like, what are the things you're terrible at? Write it out like we have to tell the truth so we can't. Pretend to only have the highlight reel, and then feel like a human being I am awful at some things, which reminds me of why I'm so good at other things. Then I've got my own way. I don't know what I want. Of course, you don't know. You don't know who you are. You're not willing to say I'm not good at that. Knowing that bothers me. That makes me cry. Am I too much? Okay, am I too little for someone else? Okay. We have to take all of these rules away, feel what we need to feel, and say, I know that might not make may not make you sad, Lesley, but I've been thinking about this for 40 years, and I need to sit in this for a couple of hours and just grieve what I made okay, or mourn what I lost, the conversations I didn't have, the jobs I didn't get, the pain I allowed myself because I didn't want to hurt anyone else, like ow, that hurts, and we get tired of the feeling very quickly when we let it stick it out, when you avoid it, it will chase your ass everywhere and pop up when you don't want it. I am going to grieve, because it's part of my process of making space for something new. I'm unpacking. So I'm unpacking, and I'm understanding. In my unpack, I'm really angry at my third grade teacher because she told me that I couldn't do something, and I believed her for the next 30 years, and she wouldn't even remember who I was. So I already think it. I might as well let myself, let it come up, journal it out, write it on the wall, scream it, throw it, laugh at it. Whatever you need. You get a freedom. There's just a release. As soon as you have release, just like in our bodies, you know, Pilates, yoga, what do you do? Breathe deeper into it so it releases. Grip it. You're all in grip. You know, it's a Chinese finger, that's trapped, it's not getting out. So how do we get out of where we're trapped? We release. We go deeper in, and then we can come out. It sounds scary, but if we don't judge emotions for right or wrong, we'll just feel what I need to feel. I don't need it anymore.Lesley Logan 26:45  Oh, I love this so much. And also, are you gonna do a fuck it retreat? Because you could do a fucking retreat where we could have rooms with pillows and then the smash rooms, and then we could have those, like those phone booths you could just scream in. Shari Teigman 26:57  And then a nap room for all of the exhausted rage.Lesley Logan 27:01  Yes, oh my god, this is like this all. It could just be a fucking space, and people could just be members.Shari Teigman 27:07  Yes, I love this. Every month there's a new way to let it go.Lesley Logan 27:12  I'm in. I interviewed this guy who, like, created these booths for hospitals where, like, nurses or doctors could go in. And I think he said it was just so they could have some peace and quiet, because hospitals are really loud, and all I could think is, like, you could scream in there.Shari Teigman 27:26  I would totally. Are you telling me it's soundproof so you won't know what I'm doing in there? (inaudible)Lesley Logan 27:34  I know. Like, isn't this? I think this, in Vegas, there's a place where you can go and, like, smash things. And I'm like, you can go, like a rage.Shari Teigman 27:40  (inaudible) to one in New York. I think it's the greatest thing I've ever done in my whole life. We did it five years ago. My kids and I are still talking about it. It was so powerful, and it was very meditative. And I never felt stronger in my life. We were running in the streets afterwards, kicking garbage cans, which maybe they should have a restroom afterwards, because we were so amped up.Lesley Logan 28:01  Like, like a waiting area, like a reentry.Shari Teigman 28:05  We're gonna integrate before we let you on the streets of Brooklyn, lady, thanks.Lesley Logan 28:11  Oh, my god, I love that so much. Okay, so obviously, like, you work with these amazing Mavericks, and you do have a lot of experience, and you talk about perimenopause, is there anything that you find in the perimenopause space with women? Because that's we have a lot of and we have, you know, we have a women who are on the other side and enjoy your space, ladies, I hope you're, hope you're having a great time. We'll get this. Shari Teigman 28:30  We're coming as fast as we can.Lesley Logan 28:33  But is there, are there signs and symptoms that people are ignoring? Because I think, like everyone pays attention to the medical ones, the hot flashes or dryness, or my whatever, but like, what about like, the emotional? And that's one of the things I think I tried. There's these, these things that come out in our personalities.Shari Teigman 28:50  I think it's that. It's those days you feel like Jekyll and Hyde, and then you're counting your cycle, and you're wondering, it's not physical, it's the emotional, shorter fuse. Care about less things, because sometimes we're more emotional and other times we're equal amounts of completely numb. So when you feel yourself numbing out, notice when you feel yourself raging about something you didn't care about before. Or I know for me, the lack of control when a brain fog comes in, I'm obviously creative and very cerebral and very verbal, and when I can't remember my name or remember how to say the word pink, I get terrified. I thought I had dementia. I didn't know this was a thing. I was I something's wrong with me, so noticing when you just don't feel like yourself, like I remember when I was pregnant with my first son, I was 24, what the hell was I doing? But okay, I was 24 shouldn't have been allowed to cross the street by myself, and I didn't lose him. He's great. We were figuring things out as we go. But we have these books What to Expect When You're Expecting. Never read them. If you don't have the symptoms that week you think something's wrong, and the last time I checked a woman's body, you and I could be next to each other. We won't have anything that's the same. Why the hell would I follow someone else's blueprint for life, pregnancy, for business, for relationships? I don't want blueprints. I want tear away sheets where I can make it up and then throw it out when I'm done. So if you feel something that isn't you and you're not sure how you feel about it, because some of us like that, all of a sudden I care less or that I can't remember every detail about some gossip someone told me that I don't not interested in. I kind of like that it blows out. So when I started noticing the difference, because I was scared, I only paid attention to the bad things. But when I found out I wasn't dying, I blessedly, didn't have dementia, I'm just lucky enough to graduate to the next video game of mother of womanhood, yay. And the new monsters are coming. I tried to look at, what are the good things? And I do that with all the FemGevity women is, what do you like in the midst of it that I can't juggle as much as I used to? So, I used to be queen multitasker, and I can't do it anymore, and it's okay, and it's actually really nice for my nervous system not to be the master of all at all times, like, I don't have that valve anymore, I can enjoy that, that when I want to be present, I can actually feel more present, because I can't be on as much as I used to be. I care less about a lot of things, so I will speak out for myself, not as much as I'd like to, but much more than I used to, because I can't keep it in anymore. It just comes out of my mouth, like, who, who said that? I would never used to say that. So look at the pros and cons of this. If we're on this roller coaster, instead of just gripping the bar, maybe we could put our hands up once in a while. Maybe we can enjoy the view from at the top of it before we drop. So what are the things that if you could let go of that you've never been able to your whole life? What if this is the opportunity to loosen some of the glue, move some of those joints and let it out anyway, in the wash, because it's going so we don't have to hold everything and new hobbies, things that I haven't made the time for, that my brain can use as new instead of I used to be good at this, and I'm not anymore. What else do I want to try? So I travel a lot for work, so I'm in London for a month, New York for a month, alternating. So I try to let my brain be a different version of me, wherever I am, because I'm jet lagged and exhausted, even if I didn't go anywhere. So it's like, okay, which version is going to be me? So like, I'm in London now, when I go home, I saw a three hour DJ class. I'm not a musician. I know nothing about it, but my brain wants something new to chew on, instead of all the mistakes that I've made and all the things that I can't remember and where did I put my keys? I'm going to go use it for something fun. If there's space in there, because I can't remember anything, I might as well put something good in there. So I think it's the permission to let it flow out of you, good and bad at the same time, and just say you're moving anyway. So you know, when you move house, like, while it's emotional and sad, you find shit you didn't even know was there. So the piles for donation and the clearing out of the 14 mugs you got at someone's Bar Mitzvah that you don't need. Like, it's a great time to let stuff go. We don't have to pack it all and bring it to the next place. So I think if you look at it as a time of decluttering and re-deciding those mental symptoms can be less scary. It's not, oh, I'm gone. No, that version of me doesn't want to be here anymore, because if it did, I'd find a way to keep her.Lesley Logan 33:22  Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. I'm obsessed with you and all this. And there is the woman who's listening going, okay, well, easy, easy for you to say, you know what? I mean, like, what do you what do you say to the person who's like, kind of, and I'm sure you've met them, they kind of fight to to hold, I mean, we already talked about this, fighting to hold on to the shoes.Shari Teigman 33:42  (inaudible) I am her, so I was the biggest train wreck in this of anybody. I've got two kids in their 20s. My mom, who was my best friend, passed away a year and a half ago. I work internationally, so I never know what time zone I'm in, and then perimenopause hits, and I'm 4'11" and gained about 45 pounds overnight, so I looked like a little blueberry. I didn't like I don't know what. Everything changed at once. And I'm a fighter. The psychiatrist told me I'm scrappy. I still have that personality trait. I don't go down easily. I don't surrender easily, which is why I'm really good at what I do, because I know the resistance. If 17 years ago, me met me now, I would cross the street. I would never go anywhere near me, because I didn't want the help. I didn't think anything was wrong. I couldn't handle the silence of my own mind. I was in survival mode. So like I get it, I want everyone to know they're looking and listening at a version of two women. I don't know your backstory, but I know you do the work. Who do the work? Which means there was a reason we started the work. You're seeing an evolved version of us. I mean, if you want the old me, I'm good, I'll tell you. And you people say to me, why do you tell everyone everything like so they don't put me on some imaginary pedestal. I'm crazier than you. I'm ragier here than you. I have more mood swings than you. I. Work with people, and I don't like them so much most of the time. I love souls. I don't like all the people-y stuffs like, I'm friendly, and then I'm not. I'm an introvert, and then I'm an extrovert. I'm on stage dancing, then I don't want to talk to anyone like I am the whole kaleidoscope. So for all the women thinking, oh, but you've got it figured out, I made it up as I go along, and I make it up every day, and people pay me a lot of money to help them make it up also. So if we make it playful and we make it funny, it's easier to untangle, it's easier to get out of our shackles, because everyone's making it up. Lesley Logan 35:33  Yeah? Well, that's the thing, right? Like, that's the thing you like, discover along your entrepreneurial journey. I'm like, I'm in a room with all these people who are making all this time, like, oh, you just bought ads and (inaudible).Shari Teigman 35:46  And you're crying in the bathroom too, while I wanted to take a selfie with you because I thought you were a guru, I'd rather hug you in the bathroom crying. This is even better. Lesley Logan 35:52  Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's really, it's so true, right? Like, because, like, we're on social media, and people can be like, the the typewriter troll, who's like, oh, easy. It's like, and I have just come to the place where I'm like, I really do like, this phase I'm in. I'm like, no, I was homeless 10 years ago, and I've worked my ass off to do my dream job. (inaudible) Yeah, yeah. So I've worked my ass off. And so you might think I'm this, but I'm gonna tell you right now, I deserve everything that I have right now because I work for it. So don't take that from me and.Shari Teigman 36:16  Go (inaudible) your mother's basement and (inaudible) someone else.Lesley Logan 36:26  Exactly. So, but, like, it's so fun. Like, I'm like, wow, the 10 years ago version be like, oh my god. People think I'm this. Shari Teigman 36:34  An imposter. Yeah, no, I am fully me. Sorry everyone. Lesley Logan 36:37  Yeah, but I do. I'm with you. Like, I also think that a lot of people we do have, we have put on imaginary pedestals, have told us their traumas and their stories, and we only we are like, this is this? You are the Mecca that I need to be, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna do all the things. And so I think it's really easy for us to just forget that stuff. And I appreciate your honesty. And I also think thank you for sharing like for everyone listening, I hope you heard like, you just have to kind of get started and get to know every single day. You can't wait until you feel ready. You're not gonna feel ready. I'm sure, I'm sure Shari's never felt, I don't feel ready. Shari Teigman 37:12  I don't feel ready even when I am ready because I wouldn't even ask myself that question, well, we're doing this then, aren't we?Lesley Logan 37:18  Yeah, yeah. It's true. Yeah. It's so true. Because, like, the one time I I said, okay, people, it was many years ago, but the first time I was teaching like 85 people, and all these people had come to this, the first time this event was happening. So, like, I was so, like, I felt blessed and honored and excited to be invited to this, the inaugural of this thing. And I'm looking at all these people who've, like, wanted to take class with me, and they know what they're doing. And then I'm looking at this front this front row of people who just wanted to support me, but they've never done anything. And I'm like, oh my God. I have people who don't know what they're doing. I have people who have this expectation of me that I don't even know what it is. And my husband was micing me, and I'm like, is the mic on? And he's like, no. And I'm like, I'm actually, like, really nervous, right? Like, I don't think I can do this. Shari Teigman 38:01  I don't even ask if the mic's on. I'm like, I'm gonna ship myself, and it'll be 600 people waiting, and I don't want to go, who gave me this microphone? Who thinks I can do this? And then 20 seconds later, I'm on stage, arm flapping like nothing happened. Like, bring all of it with us. If you weren't scared, you wouldn't have missed the whole thing.Lesley Logan 38:19  Yeah, well, and also, and that's just exactly it. And he just like at me, and he just said, how is this different than what you already do? And I was just like, oh, that's right, thank you. Thank you for the reminder that, like it's, I'm fine, but I think, like it's, it's so important that you all hear like we're every person you put on a pedestal. You hear their story, you're like, oh my god, I'm so inspired. They wake up every day and have to figure out who they are that day, like they all do. Shari Teigman 38:44  The panic in our stomach some days and the anxiety. And I'm not wishing anyone stuff they don't have, but I want you to know everyone has their version of this, and it's not, oh, you're so brave. I didn't have a choice, so I got brave. And some days I'm not brave and but unfortunately, I'm a naturally happy, sad person, so like, I navigate this who are we going to be today? I want to be happy, but I feel sad, but I am happy, but I'm also sad. I stopped trying to pick one or the other. I'm both. I love when I'm on a podcast and like BJ Fogg's sister Linda is a friend of mine. We were in a mastermind together years ago. Lesley Logan 39:20  She lives, she lives in my town. Shari Teigman 39:21  Linda, you're kidding me. I love she's amazing. How funny. What a small world. That's crazy, like I watched the Linda's and the BJs of the world, and it's brilliant, and it's all very organized, and it's strategic, and it makes sense. And then you've got me, who is complete creative chaos. It's the only way I know how to function. You either love it or I terrify you. I'm fine with both. I can't, not going to change. I've tried. This is who I am, and I'll be on a podcast big audience, and they're like so Shari, what are your rituals every morning? And I burst out laughing, because I'm not going to lie to anyone which day, which mood, which temperature. What's it like outside? What am I wearing? I don't know. I wake up every morning I decide what I want to feel. I'll start with a feeling I want connection today. So yes, my days are crazy and scheduled, and I'm blessed to have a very busy coaching practice, and I run a department for a company in a country, in another country like I don't have a lot of flexibility in my time, and I still have to lead with what I need. Otherwise, no one else will get anything from me, and it took me a long time to not go into my own performance mode to help everyone else with their performance. What? I stepped into the same step for wife game that I was in my marriage. Climbed out of that, and I'm like, oh, coach world, green juice, yoga pants, alignment, words, what am I wearing? It's all lovely. If it works for you, that's when the Maverick was born. It's either going to be my way or I can't do it. Stop trying to pick up everyone else's way of fitting into your own life. It won't fit you. So again, it's that curiosity, it's that playfulness, it's the bad mood and good mood mixed together. Then you're being honest.Lesley Logan 40:54  Yeah, it's true. I am. I have three hours every morning for a morning routine, and the very start of my morning routine is the same. I get into a cold plunge. I read three books that are like daily things that I'm hopeful that something sticks, and then I go for a walk. And then after the walk, it's like, okay, what do I want to do? Do I want to do Pilates? Do I want to do my shake plate? Do I want to do my red light? Do I want to have breakfast now or breakfast later? And it has to go with what I'm feeling, which is why I gave myself three hours to do that because I, like you, I, well, I just discovered I have ADHD, which is its own fun thing, to discover perimenopausal. And then you're just like, oh, I'm the one they need to I thought my husband had ADHD. No, I do. And then it's like, wait a minute. So I'm overwhelmed because of the ADHD and. Shari Teigman 41:47  All of it, yeah. Lesley Logan 41:49  Just like, What do you mean? I can't, like, I'm also freaking out about the typing of the fingers because I, like, I just thought that I just had sensory integration disorder. So it's just you have to, excuse me, excuse me. I just wasn't diagnosed as a child and and here we are and now I get to know myself and perimenopause. But I think, like, I love that you share that, because I think that there's a world where you can be in the yoga pants with the green juice and the alignment words, and if it does, yes, and if it doesn't work for you. You can be like Shari and I and you can ask yourself how you want to feel, and give yourself the time to feel that. And I think that that's brilliant, yeah. Shari Teigman 42:27  And then have your green juice, or take a nap or rage or sleep or meditate like it's all wonderful, but none of these things are going to save you from yourself till you know yourself.Lesley Logan 42:34  Yeah, oh my god.Shari Teigman 42:34  It doesn't work. I tried it.Lesley Logan 42:34  I'm obsessed with you. We're gonna take a brief break and find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 42:44  All right, Shari, where do you hang out? Where will this journal be when it's ready? Where can they stalk you?Shari Teigman 42:55  So I hang out on Instagram. I am there. I am loud. Sometimes I'm consistent. This is my consistency. I'm gone for a week, and then you'll see me 14 stories later. It just depends on the mood. When the mood strikes and the ideas come, the journal will be out, I'm hoping in February, which is extremely exciting. It's being designed now by a chaotic designer, which is perfect for me. And I love making new friends so they can come and come say hi to me on Instagram. It's Shari Teigman. You'll see me with my crazy glasses. As I'm known for a variety of glasses, it only happened because I'm on Zoom all day long, and I get very tired of looking at my face, so I needed to mix it up so that I wouldn't be bored. So I'm saying hi.Lesley Logan 43:39  I just needed some magic to look at. There were signs that I had ADHD. I'm like, let's put stars on your hands.Shari Teigman 43:44  I wouldn't have known it, right? I don't know where it came from. So I'm there. This is what I'm like all the time. I love when someone gets on a call with me, like a sales call, like, oh my god, you're exactly like you are online. Who else could I be? This is enough trouble to maintain you think I'm gonna have another personality for someone else? So I'm exactly like this. No one else answers my messages. I love meeting new people. I'd love to hear what you got from the podcast, what you're working on, what's your Maverick? What do you want to say out loud that you won't say to anyone else, like, I'm here to witness it. Come and play.Lesley Logan 44:17  Gosh. Okay, you have really given us so much already, but we do like our bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps at the end. What do you have for us?Shari Teigman 44:25  So I actually felt long and hard about this, which you should feel special, Lesley. Lesley Logan 44:29  I do. I actually really do. Shari Teigman 44:30  (inaudible) about anything, so I'll think about it and then I'll forget it. So it's not a want to, it's just in and out. So I think, based upon everything we talked about, an easy action step to live this is it's a hard one to say out loud, but it's going to punch everyone in the face, which is why I like it. Clean up the internal contradictions, and it's as simple as you're saying you want a bigger life, but you keep making micro choices. You're lying to your nervous system. You're answering an older version of yourself. You have to understand that the identity that you want for the life that you want is going to require aligned actions to that. So it's as simple as I say, I want to do Pilates every day, and yet I find myself laying on the couch. Pilates isn't happening. I did it today. I am tired from jet lag. I'm a yoga person. I love it, and I haven't done it so I could tell you, I love yoga, but I haven't done it in six weeks. I didn't realize till I said, when's the last time I took my mat out? Oh my god, I would have told you I did it a few days ago. Perimenopausal brain, I thought I did. So, telling ourselves the truth and cleaning up the internal contradictions makes us stop looking for answers from the outside of like, how come I just can't do it because you're not telling yourself the truth. So if I choose to lay on the couch, maybe I needed it that day. Maybe I didn't realize that that's what I wanted. Like, if I decide to stay on the couch, I do it intentionally. If I decide to do the yoga I don't check my phone in between, like, choose whatever it is intentionally and clean up those internal contradictions. The questions you ask will be much more clear and much more honest, and then you'll get to some answers.Lesley Logan 46:07  It is a good punch in the face, and I really like it. Shari Teigman 46:09  I punch myself in the face with it too. I'm like, oh god, if I say it out loud, I then have to do it.Lesley Logan 46:17  I it's so true, and it's really it's really funny. We get smart like, then I'll just keep it to myself, but.Shari Teigman 46:23  Not gonna unleash that one. Are we? Lesley Logan 46:25  No, I'm like, I won't tell anyone, and then they won't know. Shari Teigman 46:29  Let me know how it goes. Lesley Logan 46:31  Yeah. Oh, that one is so good. I'm so glad to have you. I mean, we're gonna have to have you back. I can't believe we haven't crossed paths, because I feel like you are just a dear friend in my life already. You guys, I agree with Shari. What touched you, what made you think like, what? Where did you go, oh, fuck it, Shari. Can't believe you called me out. She wants to know. I want to know. So tag her. Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a girlfriend who needs to hear it like cheer for the scrappy front of the resilient friend, because I know that they need to feel so seen, and you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 47:03  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Today on Beating Cancer Daily, Saranne explores the transformative power of self-celebration and micro-celebrations in the journey of battling Stage IV cancer. Saranne reveals her unique approach, inspired by the research of BJ Fogg from Stanford, which involves breaking down treatment milestones into small, joyful moments. By learning to be our own cheerleaders and celebrating every win, no matter how small, Saranne encourages listeners to foster confidence, hope, and resilience amidst their treatment.2025 to 2026 People's Choice Podcast Awards Best Health Series Finalist Ranked the Top 5 Best Cancer Podcasts by CancerCare News in 2024, 2025 & 2026, and #1 Rated Cancer Survivor Podcast by FeedSpot in 2024 to 2025.Beating Cancer Daily is listened to in 144 countries across 7 continents and features over 420+ original daily episodes hosted by Stage IV survivor Saranne Rothberg. To learn more about Host Saranne Rothberg and The ComedyCures Foundation:https://www.comedycures.org/ To write to Saranne or a guest:https://www.comedycures.org/contact-8 To record a message to Saranne or a guest:https://www.speakpipe.com/BCD_Comments_SuggestionsTo sign up for the free Health Builder Series live on Zoom with Saranne and Jacqui, go to The ComedyCures Foundation's homepage:https://www.comedycures.org/Please support the creation of more original episodes of Beating Cancer Daily and other free ComedyCures Foundation programs with a tax-deductible contribution:http://bit.ly/ComedyCuresDonate THANK YOU! Please tell a friend whom we may help, and please support us with a beautiful review. Have a blessed day! Saranne

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The secret to building habits that stick.Whether you want to read more books or exercise more regularly, BJ Fogg has good news. “Habits are easier to form than most people think,” he says, “If you do it in the right way.”As the founder and director of Stanford's Behavior Design Lab, Fogg has devoted much of his career to researching human psychology, motivation, and behavior. According to him, habit formation isn't a product of simply doing something over and over again. “It's not a function of repetition,” he says, “it's a function of emotion.”As Fogg discusses with host Matt Abrahams in this Rethinks episode of Think Fast, Talk Smart, bringing our behavior in line with our goals is easier than we think — we just have to know the emotional levers to pull.Episode Reference Links:BJ Fogg Fogg's Book: Tiny HabitsConnect:Premium Signup >>>> Think Fast Talk Smart PremiumEmail Questions & Feedback >>> hello@fastersmarter.ioEpisode Transcripts >>> Think Fast Talk Smart WebsiteNewsletter Signup + English Language Learning >>> FasterSmarter.ioThink Fast Talk Smart >>> LinkedIn, Instagram, YouTubeMatt Abrahams >>> LinkedInChapters:(00:00) - Introduction (03:04) - The Information-Action Fallacy (04:47) - The Behavior Model: Motivation, Ability, Prompt (06:27) - Designing a Reading Habit (08:05) - What Is a Habit? (11:14) - Making Paraphrasing a Habit (13:51) - Specificity vs. Repetition (16:10) - Choosing Habits You Enjoy (17:08) - The Final Three Questions (22:25) - Conclusion  ********Thank you to our sponsors.  These partnerships support the ongoing production of the podcast, allowing us to bring it to you at no cost.This episode is brought to you by Babbel. Think Fast Talk Smart listeners can get started on your language learning journey today- visit Babbel.com/Thinkfast and get up to 55% off your Babbel subscription.Join our Think Fast Talk Smart Learning Community and become the communicator you want to be. 

Michaeleen Doucleff, science journalist and author of Dopamine Kids, joins me to talk about what's really happening in our children's brains when it comes to screens, social media, and ultra-processed foods and why so many kids (and adults) feel stuck in cycles of constant wanting without real satisfaction.   Together we explore:   What dopamine actually does in the brain and why it's not simply the "pleasure chemical." How screens and ultra-processed foods are engineered to tap into our children's seeking systems. Why today's kids may be experiencing more craving and less true gratification. Why simply taking screens away often backfires and what to replace them with instead. How small, sustainable environmental shifts (not massive overhauls) can recalibrate your child's motivation system. Practical ways to reduce screen use in the evenings, during transitions, and "on the go." How involving your child in the process can increase autonomy, buy-in, and long-term success.   This conversation isn't about fear, shame, or unrealistic detoxes. It's about understanding the science of motivation so we can make thoughtful changes that bring more color, pleasure, and peace back into our homes.     LEARN MORE ABOUT MY GUEST:

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 When our stakeholders come to us asking for training, they are usually thinking of traditional training.  So, they treat us, nonprofit L&D pros, like training factories that can easily produce a new training in a day. But we are here to create behavior change, and that takes time.In this episode, I'm sharing four recommendations that will help you embody the change agent you already are and learn what you need to create real change in your organization.▶️ You're Not a Training Factory. You are a Change Agent. ▶️ Key Points:0:00:00 The process of creating real behavior change0:05:41 Shift from learning designer to change agent0:06:35 Sell real change to your stakeholders0:07:31 Simplify the scope of the training request0:09:05 Study learning science to get the buy-in you needResources from this episode:Read the books I recommended:  James Clear's Atomic Habits and BJ Fogg's Tiny Habits.Join the Nonprofit Learning and Development Collective: https://www.skillmastersmarket.com/nonprofit-learning-and-development-collectiveWas this episode helpful? If you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, follow and leave a review!

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What if lasting change didn't require motivation or willpower?In this re-released episode of the Remarkable People Podcast, Guy Kawasaki revisits his conversation with BJ Fogg, Stanford behavior scientist and New York Times bestselling author of Tiny Habits.BJ explains why most habit advice fails and shares a simple framework for creating change that actually sticks:• Make habits so small you can do them on your worst day• Attach new behaviors to routines you already have• Celebrate immediately to wire the habit faster• Keep the bar low, consistency beats intensity• Start the day with the “Maui habit”, a small mindset shift that sets the toneOriginally recorded in 2022 and re-released in 2026, this episode remains a practical, empowering guide to building better habits without burnout.

In this Think Thursday episode, Molly breaks down a powerful concept at the heart of sustainable habit change: micro-yeses. These are the small, often overlooked decisions that align with your long-term goals—even if they feel too minor to matter.Whether you're working on behavior change related to exercise, diet, spending, screen time, or any other habit, micro-yeses are the building blocks of momentum. This episode explores how these tiny choices affect the brain, create identity shifts, and lead to real progress over time.Key Topics CoveredWhat a "micro-yes" is and why it mattersHow small decisions activate the prefrontal cortex and build new neural pathwaysWhy repetition, not perfection, drives real behavior changeThe role of self-recognition in maintaining motivationWhat behavior scientists like BJ Fogg say about starting smallScience and InsightsMicro-yeses interrupt automatic behavior loops by engaging intentional brain regions like the prefrontal cortexThrough consistent action, these moments create synaptic plasticity, helping rewire the brain for new habitsAs Stanford researcher BJ Fogg notes:“Tiny actions, repeated consistently, change identity.”Reflection Prompt:Where have you said yes to yourself this week, even in a small or imperfect way?Recognize it. Count it. It matters.Related Episodes to ExploreThe Fresh Start Effect (January 1)Neuroscience of Follow-Through (January 8)Identity Lag: Why Your Brain Hasn't Caught Up Yet (January 15) ★ Support this podcast ★

Welcome back to Snafu with Robin P. Zander. In this episode, I'm doing something a little different: I step into the guest seat for a conversation with one of my good friends, Andrew Bartlow, recorded for the People Leader Accelerator podcast alongside Jessica Yuen. We dive into storytelling, identity, and leadership — exploring how personal experiences shape professional influence. The conversation begins with a reflection on family and culture, from the Moroccan textiles behind me, made by my mother, to the influence of my father's environmental consulting work. These threads of personal history frame my lifelong fascination with storytelling, persuasion, and coalition-building. Andrew and Jessica guide the discussion through how storytelling intersects with professional growth. We cover how early experiences — like watching Lawrence of Arabia at a birthday sleepover — sparked curiosity about adventure, influence, and human connection, and how these interests evolved into a career focused on organizational storytelling and leadership. We explore practical frameworks, including my four-part story model (Setup → Change → Turning → Resolution) and the power of "twists" to create momentum and memorability. The episode also touches on authentic messaging, the role of vulnerability in leadership, and why practicing storytelling in everyday life—outside high-stakes moments—builds confidence and executive presence over time. Listeners will hear lessons from a lifetime of diverse experiences: running a café in the Mission District, collaborating with BJ Fogg on behavioral change, building Zander Media, and applying storytelling to align teams and organizations. We also discuss how authenticity and personal perspective remain a competitive advantage in an age of AI-generated content. If you're curious about how storytelling, practice, and presence intersect with leadership, persuasion, and influence, this episode is for you. And for more insights on human connection, organizational alignment, and the future of work, check out Snafu, my weekly newsletter on sales, persuasion, and storytelling here, and Responsive Conference, where we explore leadership, work, and organizational design here. Start (0:00) Storytelling & Identity Robin introduces Moroccan textiles behind him Made by his mother, longtime practicing artist Connects to Moroccan fiancée → double meaning of personal and cultural Reflection on family influence Father: environmental consulting firm Mother: artist Robin sees himself between their careers Early Fascination with Storytelling Childhood obsession with Morocco and Lawrence of Arabia Watched 4-hour movie at age 6–7 Fascinated by adventure, camels, storytelling, persuasion Early exposure shaped appreciation for coalition-building and influence Identity & Names Jess shares preference for "Jess" → casual familiarity Robin shares professional identity as "Xander" Highlights fluidity between personal and professional selves Childhood Experiences & Social Context Watching Lawrence of Arabia at birthday sleepover Friends uninterested → early social friction Andrew parallels with daughters and screen preferences Childhood experiences influence perception and engagement Professional Background & Storytelling Application Robin's long involvement with PeopleTech and People Leader Accelerator Created PLA website, branding, documented events Mixed pursuits: dance, media, café entrepreneurship Demonstrates applying skills across domains Collaboration with BJ Fogg → behavioral change expertise Storytelling as Connection and Alignment Robin: Storytelling pulls from personal domains and makes it relevant to others Purpose: foster connection → move together in same direction Executive relevance: coalition building, generating momentum, making the case for alignment Andrew: HR focus on connection, relationships, alignment, clarity Helps organizations move faster, "grease the wheels" for collaboration Robin's Credibility and Experience in Storytelling Key principle: practice storytelling more than listening Full-time entrepreneur for 15 years First business at age 5: selling pumpkins Organized neighborhood kids in scarecrow costumes to help sell Earned $500 → early lessons in coalition building and persuasion Gymnastics and acrobatics: love of movement → performance, discipline Café entrepreneurship: Robin's Cafe in Mission District, SF Started with 3 weeks' notice to feed conference attendees Housed within a dance studio → intersection of dance and behavioral change First experience managing full-time employees Learned the importance of storytelling for community building and growth Realized post-sale missed opportunity: storytelling could have amplified success Transition to Professional Storytelling (Zander Media) Lessons from cafe → focus on storytelling, messaging, content creation Founded Zander Media (2018) Distributed small team, specializes in narrative strategy and video production Works with venture-backed companies and HR teams to tell stories internally and externally Provides reps and depth in organizational storytelling Why Storytelling Matters for Organizations Connects people, fosters alignment Enables faster movement toward shared goals Storytelling as a "powerful form of connection" What Makes a Good Story Robin: frameworks exist, but ultimately humans want: Education, entertainment, attention Sustained attention (avoid drift to TikTok, distractions) Framework examples: Hero's Journey (Joseph Campbell) → 17 steps Dan Harmon's 8-part structure → simplified version of Hero's Journey Robin's preferred model: 4-part story structure (details/examples forthcoming) The Power of the Twist, and Organizational Storytelling Robin's Four-Part Story Model Core idea: stories work best when they follow a simple arc Setup → Change → Turning (twist/reveal) → Resolution Goal: not rigid frameworks, but momentum, surprise, payoff The "Turning" (Twist) as the Sticky Moment Pixar example via Steve Jobs and the iPod Nano Setup: Apple's dominance, market context, long build-up Choice point: Option A: just reveal the product Option B (chosen): pause + curiosity Turning: the "tiny jeans pocket" question Reveal: iPod Nano pulled from the pocket Effect: entertainment, disruption, memorability Key insight: The twist creates pause, delight, and attention This moment often determines whether a story is remembered Why Flat Stories Fail Example (uninspiring): "I ran a cafe → wanted more marketing → now I run Xander Media" Improved arc with turning: Ran a cafe → wanted to do more marketing → sold it on Craigslist → built Xander Media Lesson: A reveal or risk creates narrative energy The Four Parts in Practice Setup The world as it is (Bilbo in the Shire) Change Something disrupts the norm (Gandalf arrives) Turning Twist, reveal, or surprise (the One Ring) Resolution Payoff and return (Bilbo back to the Shire) How to Use This as a Leader Don't force stories into frameworks Look at stories you already tell Identify where a disruption, surprise, or reveal could live Coalition-building lens Stories should move people into shared momentum Excitement → flow → aligned action Storytelling Mediums for HR & Organizations Employer brand ≠ separate from company brand Should be co-owned by HR and marketing Brand clarity attracts the right people, repels the wrong ones Strong brands are defined by: Who they are Who they are not Who they're for and not for HR vs Marketing: The Nuance Collaboration works only if: HR leads on audience and truth Marketing supports execution, not control Risk: Marketing optimizes for customers, not employees HR understands attraction, retention, culture fit Storytelling at the Individual Level No one is "naturally" good or bad at storytelling It's reps, not talent Practical advice: Know your ~15 core stories (career, company, turning points) Practice pauses like a comedian Notice when people lean in Opinionated Messaging = Effective Messaging Internal storytelling should: Be clear and opinionated Repel as much as it attracts Avoid: Corporate vanilla Saying a lot without saying anything Truth + Aspirational Truth Marketing and storytelling are a mix of: What is actually true What the organization is becoming Being "30% more honest" builds trust Including flaws and tradeoffs Example: budget brands, Southwest, Apple's office-first culture Why This Works Opinions create personality Personality creates stickiness Stickiness creates memory, alignment, and momentum Authenticity as the last real advantage We're flooded with AI-generated content (video, writing, everything) Humans are extremely good at sensing what feels fake Inauthenticity is easier to spot than ever One of the few remaining advantages: Be true to the real story of the person or organization Not polished truth — actual truth What makes content feel "AI-ish" AI can generate volume fast Books, posts, stories in minutes What it can't replicate: Personal specificity Why a story matters to you What an experience felt like from the inside Lived moments Running a café Growing into leadership What lasts: Personal story lesson learned relevance to this reader relevance to this relationship What content will win long-term Vulnerability Not oversharing, but real experience Personal perspective Why this matters to me Relevance Why it should matter to you Outcome Entertainment Insight Shared direction The risk of vulnerability (it can backfire) Being personal doesn't guarantee buy-in Example: inspirational talk → employee openly disagrees Emotional deflation Self-doubt Early leadership lesson: You can do your best People will still push back Leadership at higher levels gets harder, not easier Bigger teams → higher stakes Better pay Benefits Real expectations First "real" leadership pain points: Bad hires Mismatched expectations Disgruntled exits Realization: Conflict isn't failure It's a sign you've leveled up "Mountains beyond mountains" Every new level comes with new challenges Entrepreneurship Executive leadership Organizational scale Reframe setbacks: Not proof you're failing Proof you're progressing Authenticity at the executive table Especially hard for HR leaders Often younger Often earlier in career Often underrepresented Anxiety is normal The table doesn't feel welcoming Strategy: Name it "This is new for me" "I'm still finding my voice" Own it Ask for feedback Speak anyway Authenticity ≠ no consequences Being honest can carry risk Not every organization wants change Hard truth: You can't change people who don't want to change Sometimes the right move is leaving Guiding advice: Find people who already want what you offer Help them move faster Vulnerability as a competitive advantage Almost any perceived weakness can be reframed New Nervous Different When named clearly: It builds trust It creates permission It signals confidence Getting better at storytelling (practical) It's not talent — it's reps Shyness → confidence through practice Start small Don't test stories when stakes are highest Practice specifics Your core stories Your pitch Energy matters Enthusiasm is underrated Tempo matters Pauses Slowing down Letting moments land Executive presence is built Incrementally Intentionally Practice, Progress, and Learning That Actually Sticks Measure growth against yourself, not "the best" The real comparison isn't to others It's who you were yesterday MrBeast idea: If you're not a little uncomfortable looking at your past work You're probably not improving fast enough Important distinction: Discomfort ≠ shame Shame isn't a useful motivator Progress shows up in hindsight Looking back at past work "I'd write that differently now" Not embarrassment — evidence of growth Example: Weekly newsletter Over time, clearer thinking Better writing Stronger perspective Executive presence is a practice, not a trait Storytelling Selling Persuasion Presence Core question: Are you deliberately practicing? Or just repeating the same behaviors? Practice doesn't have to happen at work Low-stakes environments count Family Friends Everyday conversations Example: Practicing a new language with a dog Safe Repetitive No pressure Life skills = leadership skills One of the hardest lessons: Stop trying to get people to do what they don't want to do Daily practice ground: Family dynamics Respecting boundaries Accepting reality These skills transfer directly to work Influence Communication Leadership Why practice outside of high-stakes moments When pressure is high You default to habits Practicing in everyday life: Builds muscle memory Makes high-stakes moments feel familiar How to learn (without overengineering it) Follow curiosity Pick a thread A name A book An idea Pull on it See where it leads Let it branch Learning isn't linear It's exploratory Learning through unexpected sources Example: Reading a biography Leads to understanding an era Context creates insight The subject matters less than: Genuine interest Sustained attention Career acceleration (simple, not flashy) Always keep learning Find what pulls you in Go deeper Press the gas Where to find Robin Ongoing work lives in: Snafu (weekly newsletter on sales, persuasion, and storytelling) https://joinsnafu.com  Responsive Conference (future of work, leadership, and org design) https://responsiveconference.com   

In this solo episode, I present a comprehensive masterclass on habits, emphasizing the importance of discipline as the foundation for personal growth and behavior change. I draw insights from experts like BJ Fogg and James Clear and explore the anatomy of tiny habits, the seven steps in behavior design, and practical strategies for both installing new habits and deleting bad ones. - 00:00 Introduction to Habits Masterclass 02:57 The Importance of Discipline 07:45 Understanding Self-Mastery 12:05 Behavior Change Fundamentals 19:44 Anatomy of Tiny Habits 24:00 The Seven Steps in Behavior Design 30:02 Deleting Bad Habits 36:15 Conclusion: Discipline Equals Freedom -

BJ Fogg, a behavior scientist at Stanford University and author of Tiny Habits, says you've got to start small if you want your habit to stick. He shares his research including the important role of positive emotion in habit formation and why you can work on a several habits at once.Follow us on Instagram: @nprlifekitSign up for our newsletter here.Have an episode idea or feedback you want to share? Email us at lifekit@npr.orgSupport the show and listen to it sponsor-free by signing up for Life Kit+ at plus.npr.org/lifekitLearn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Brian Johnson, founder and CEO of Heroic Public Benefit Corporation, entrepreneur, teacher, coach, author, philosopher, and podcast host, joins me on this episode. Brian has helped millions of people around the world become their best, most productive, energized, and connected version of themselves.

Travel does not have to mean abandoning everything that helps you feel like yourself. In this Habits Series bonus episode, Lesley Logan shares how she maintains supportive routines while traveling without becoming rigid or stressed. She explains how to scale habits down on the road, identify what truly matters, and release routines that no longer serve you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why Lesley keeps habits while traveling to feel like herself.Using travel as feedback to clarify which habits truly matter most.Why travel habits must support you and never become a control system.How Lesley scales routines down instead of quitting them entirely.Planning trips around habits to make returning home routines easier.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions Episode 610: Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/ep610Episode 611: Lesley & Brad - https://beitpod.com/ep611Episode 568: Anthony Benenati - https://beitpod.com/ep568Book: Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFicBook: Journey to the Heart by Melody Beattie - https://a.co/d/75bOwAZBook: Your Big Leap Year by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/7KY1pfkBook: The Sleep Revolution by Arianna Huffington - https://a.co/d/28dVERe If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:54  All right, Be It babe. So in our Habits Series, I thought it would be really important to have a couple bonuses. And if there's topics that you want me, want me to cover about habits that I haven't yet, please send it in to the beitpod.com/questions we would love to hear. So I'm going to do a bonus on habits for when you're traveling, and then also another bonus episode on like habits that are more like health and movement related. If you are new to this podcast, hello. I'm the host of Be It Till You See It. And this is the bonus of a series. So I do want you to go back to the beginning of the series. That way you can see here Amy Ledin and I talk about habits. There's a recap episode with Brad and I on habits. And then there are truly six episodes that have to do with, like, actual creation of habits. So this is, this is more of a bonus, like, once you know how to create habits, then this will be helpful. Obviously, you can totally start here, because it's your life. Do what you want. Lesley Logan 1:54  So I travel a lot, and I am someone who, when I crave a little bit of certainty, we all do. Do you know, we, there are six needs and one of them, we all have a certainty. We also crave uncertainty. So that's super cool, but so I love to travel, but I also love my routines. My routines are just habits that I have created over time that helped me show up for me. In the last episode, I talked about how, like my morning habits and my night habits are the reason why I can show up for work. I cannot sit down at this computer. I'm not a computer person. I don't know how I end up creating a job where I'm at a computer all the time, but I am at the computer all the time, and it means that if I'm going to sit here and look at a screen all day, that I actually need to do things that help me feel like I have the energy, the clarity, the ability to lead and see things through a vision of what I want, of be it till I see it mindset I have to have. I start to have habits that help me with that, right? So that means, but when I travel, then what do I do? Do I just stop all of them? No, because I'm someone whose body craves, whose mind craves the routines that I've created for myself while I'm on the road. Otherwise, yes, there's absolutely vacations and reasons to take vacations from your whole life, but I promise you, have you ever been on a vacation? It's longer than a couple days, and you start to like, not feel anxious that you want to go home, but just like there's a few things you need that would make this even better. So for me, there are certain habits that I really do research to see if they're possible while I travel. So in order to share that with you, I will say like, I, there are, obviously I can't do all of my habits when I travel, but I do have an awareness of which habits do make the most, like, they've had the most effect on my life, and so that takes some time, and curiosity. Also, when you travel not doing some of your habits, allows you to realize which ones you miss. So something I will share with you is you're gonna get it wrong. You're, the trips you're gonna take, after listening to this, some of them will have the habits you want, and some of them won't. And you'll realize that some will have ones you're like, I actually could have not done that that caused more stress than it was worth. So always, always, always reflecting, refining and continuing on after each trip to help you make the next trip better. It's going to be really important. It's also really important to recognize, like, these are habits, but they're not a control system. So if ever any of these things are feeling like they're controlling you and your vacation, it's probably worth exploring what's going on, what's behind that. That's not something I'm an expert, expert in, but I have worked with many clients, so I do love to work out when I travel. It does make me feel better. I'll share more of that in a moment. But I've had clients that, when they travel, that not being able to work out as much as they normally do and have control over their food has gotten to an unhealthy level where it's no longer serving them. And so I would just one of the best things you can ask yourself, like, is this serving me? I made an episode with Anthony Benenati. I talked about, there's no such thing as something that's good or bad when it comes to the things you do for your life, it's just like, is it serving you or not serving you? And so I would definitely explore that with your vacations, and that requires some self awareness and some time reflecting on who you are and how you are being on your trip. But I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it. Otherwise you're just like, mindlessly going through life, and that's boring. And that's boring, and you're not gonna be it till you see it anything that way. So all right, here's the deal. If I'm traveling by plane versus traveling by car, it makes a big difference. So if I'm traveling like I'm driving, obviously I can bring more things. So when I can bring more things, I actually do keep some of a lot of my habits, I'll start with my nighttime habits for first. Often I do a red light routine, either on my face and neck, or I have a body mat that I do. I love to read at night. Those are really important things to me. I do love a little lymphatic drainage tool that I have, and depending on the night, I might even wash my hair, right? So if I'm driving, I can actually bring all those things so I can keep all my evening habits. I also play certain music before I fall asleep. If you want a really great book about like sleeping, there's by Arianna Huffington, I think it's just called Sleep. And she talks about the importance of a sleep routine. A sleep routine is just habits that you've created that help you, but it lets my brain know that, like I'm getting ready for sleep, right? I also, at night, before I go to bed, lay out the clothes for the next day's movement so they're already out, especially if I'm in a hotel or I'm in the van on tour, Brad is asleep, so I don't want any lights to wake him up too early, so I pull those clothes out. So it's so much easier for me. At home, believe it or not, I pull those clothes out because I do my morning routine starts in our extra bathroom, so I just put them out in that extra bathroom. So I can do all of my nighttime routines if I'm traveling by car. my morning routines, if I'm traveling by car, depending on the weather, I can do a lot of my morning routines. I can go for a morning walk, right? If I have got the dog, it's, it's a requirement. I can often go to a gym, especially when we're on tour, we're usually sleeping in a parking lot that belongs to a gym. So I can do that. Lesley Logan 7:15  I can get in, well, it won't be equipment Pilates. I can get in a mat Pilates session there. I won't be able to do like my shake plate or my cold plunge. The cold plunge is something that I do let go of on a retreat. I'm not driving around trying to find a place that's got a cold plunge. It's just that's just something that has to go and you'll but maybe not for you, maybe for you, you're staying at a hotel, you get ice buckets, you put them in the tub, and you have an ice bath like there are always ways to get around to different habits you want to have, but typically, especially if I'm on tour or I'm in a hotel, I'm just like, I'm not that's just something I'm gonna let go. It does mean I don't start the morning off with a giant rush, but there it is. I also, when I travel, if I travel by car, I'll bring my morning books that you've heard me talk about as part of my morning routine. If I'm traveling by plane, depending on how much space I have, I will bring one book. If I can't bring one book, then I take a picture of one book's daily messages, and I'll open up the photo on that day and read it. So I have a book like Journey To The Heart, and I have a couple others, like the Your Big Leap Year, and then this other one, and I like to read one entry of each of those in the morning. Sometimes they are saying the exact same thing, and I feel like it's like a wonderful Tarot reading. But when I travel, I just only do one. And I share this with you because we it's important that you know that you can actually titrate these habits when you travel, so you're not being so strict with yourself. So if I normally read three of them at home when I'm traveling, because, you know, everything just takes a little bit longer when you travel, like it takes longer to get that coffee, it takes longer to go find the food, so you don't have as much extra time. I'll just read one entry, and I'll have a picture of it if I don't have the space. So I will my workouts won't always be as long when I'm on the road than when they are at home, because, again, I don't have access to everything that I have. So what I if you one of the things I want to highlight, if you're listening to like this, who's like Lesley, I don't really care about your routine. The number of minutes I dedicate to part of my routine will change, oftenthey're less, but I still get to keep the habit and routine, which helps me feel like myself. And so when you're when you're traveling, whether it's by car or plane, I would just like, map out, like, okay, do, what, which of the which of my habits do I think serve me the most, and how possible are those? Some other things that I'm really intentional about when I travel is, like, the hotel we choose. Does it have a gym? If it doesn't have a gym, is there another hotel that's in the same range of price that we're looking at that has a gym? Do any of these hotels have relationships with a gym? Can Is there a gym nearby that I can pay a drop in fee to. So that is something when I'm planning trips that I'm very conscious of, not because I'm someone who's obsessed with working out, because I'm someone who's obsessed with how I feel after I've moved my body, right? I'm very intentional. I don't take a lot of Pilates classes because I personally like to do self-led workouts, even if there's a teacher watching. I just I prefer that for myself and my practice right now. So I'm not looking at Pilates studios. But you might, right? You might be like, oh my goodness, like, I love going to class. Then definitely pick a hotel that's near a studio, right? These are things it's okay to be like you know what I need in the morning? I need a really great cashew milk latte and a yoga class. Great. Look for cashew milk lattes in an area. Then look for if there's a yoga studio nearby, and then look for the hotel that's near that. Done. So I'm really intentional about when I plan a trip. I don't try to fit my routines into the trip. I actually plan the trip around my routines, and that's part of being it till you see it. That's also how you can maintain a lot of your habits while you're gone. Then here's the cool thing, when you come back, because you kept several of the habits, the routines you have, those things are often prompts for things you didn't do while you're gone, but it's still in your brain. Oh, after I work out, I get on my shake plate, or I stretch over here, I get in for my red light. It will all come back because, one, your mindset around it is positive, and two, you're bringing the prompt back in. If you are like, oh my gosh, I came back from a trip last time, it was really hard for me to get back to one of my habits, then I would love for you to go back to this whole series. One, let's make sure it's a habit you want to have. Two, is it at the time that you want to do? And three, is the prompt clear. You might have to actually kind of start that one back over. Maybe it needs some more celebration around it, till it sticks a little heavier. You know, I've been honest, like I'm starting a new habit, a new hobby, I should say, a new hobby. And hobbies are also habits, or just things that we decide to do, and something that I've been because of my travel schedule, I've been trying to figure out is, like, when is the best time for me to do this habit? When I'm at home, I can do it at night when I'm on the road. Can I still do it at night? Oh gosh, we have dinner with people every single night. Okay, that's a little harder to do. So should I be doing it when I have lunch? You know? Should I be doing it when I pull my computer out? So I am still trying to figure out that when this hobby can be done when I'm at home, this hobby is a little easier for me to put in the night routine. Like after I get home from the gym, I can work on this little hobby that I have I really like. It's quite easy for me to add into the day. Just when I travel, I find I'm having a little bit of trouble with it. I could also not do it when I travel and have, totally fine. Is it serving me? Is it distracting from my trip? Is it making my day too full? You know, these are things we have to understand. So when you travel, and you will travel, it's really important that you are aware, and this is going to come from self-reflection. Which parts of your day help you feel the most filled up? What are the some of the if you I'm not, I'm not gonna, if you have a specific type of tea that if you have it every morning, you just have the best day. And when you don't have it, you have a shit day, then you have, you owe it to yourself to figure out how do I have this best tea and then maybe while you're on a trip, you start something new. So I had on my retreat, one of the girls on my retreat, she was going to this cute little coffee shop every single morning, and she was doing her journaling. And then one day it was closed, and she was like, oh, it's not there. Okay, I guess I'll go to this other place to do it. And instead, she took the best parts of the of the place that she was going to, and she created it on our patio. And it's and the coolest thing about that, you guys, is she can do that at home. And she's like, oh, I could just do this at the house. It's like, yeah. So sometimes when you're on a trip, you discover something that you're like, if I could have this in my life every single day. And so that's why it's important, like, some of my habits don't come with me, because it opens up space for me to explore things that are lighting me up or allows me to go, wow, I really miss that thing. So then I'm really intentional when I'm at home to never miss it, and then maybe I have to consider bringing it along for the ride on the next trip. I hope this is making sense. I hope that you're understanding like it can't be too rigid, but you do have to be aware you are if there are certain things that allow you to feel like you they must come and be part of a trip, have to and if not, you got to find something that can be something part of your trip that helps you. You know, I get on planes all the time, and I see people pull out all these little tools, like people do the face mask. I don't understand that. That's something that doesn't work for me. That's not something that I care about on a plane. But I can tell you that I have set up on a plane. It's my sleep music so I can fall asleep on a plane, because I have a hard time doing that. I absolutely have compression socks, because that helps me feel good, you know? So everything we do is a habit. It's also a choice that is helping us either get close to the person we're trying to be it until we see or further away from it. So we got to have, like, a healthy balance, a healthy push and pull of what are the things that I need to take with me on a trip. What are the things I'm gonna leave behind, and then how did, how do I feel on that trip? You know, a lot of us are lucky enough that if, while we're traveling, we go, oh my God, I can't believe I left that thing at home. I need it. In most cases, we can buy it. You know, there are places you can't get it, but in a lot of places, you could probably buy the thing that would make you feel like you. Lesley Logan 15:21  So I'm going to wrap this up with when's your next trip between now and then, can you get some reflection around what, some clarity I should say, around what habit you want to take on that trip? And then can you do the research to see if it's possible, right? And then, when you're on that trip, every single day, at the end of the day, I want you to reflect, How'd that feel? How'd it go? Oh, actually, I thought I could do this, and that actually didn't happen. So instead of it being a half an hour, I'm gonna do 15 minutes. Instead of 15 minutes, I'm do five. Oh, actually, I brought those running shoes. Didn't run one single time. And you know what? I realized, I love running at home, but I don't like running on a trip. Okay, great. Now, you know. It's really you don't have to get this right. And in fact, getting it right is not how habits start in the first place. They start, they are created. They stick based on how they make you feel. And they have to make you feel good, because if they make you feel bad, your brain is going to avoid doing them. All right, loves, again, send your wins in. Send in the topics that you're wanting to hear, how we can help you with your habits, with that to beitpod.com/questions. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 16:29  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 17:12  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 17:16  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 17:21  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 17:28  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 17:31  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

If you're feeling overwhelmed and don't have the luxury of doing less, Overwhelm Is Optional offers simple tools you can use in under ten minutes a day. Learn more at oneyoufeed.net/overwhelm Help us make the podcast better—share your input in a short survey:: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠oneyoufeed.net/survey. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Thank You! In this episode, Dr. BJ Fogg, explains why willpower isn't enough and the science behind his tiny habits method. He explores the psychology of habit formation, emphasizing that lasting change comes from starting small, celebrating successes, and practicing self-compassion rather than relying on willpower or self-criticism. Dr. Fogg shares practical strategies for designing habits that fit individual contexts, explains his behavior model, and discusses how positive reinforcement and flexibility foster sustainable transformation. Personal stories and vivid analogies illustrate how anyone can create meaningful change by nurturing tiny habits and focusing on progress over perfection. Exciting News!!!Coming in March 2026, my new book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠How a Little Becomes a Lot: The Art of Small Changes for a More Meaningful Life is now available for pre-orders!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Key Takeaways Behavior change and habit formation The “Tiny Habits” method and its principles The importance of positivity in personal transformation Breaking down aspirations into small, manageable actions Embracing mistakes as learning opportunities The role of self-compassion in habit formation The Fogg Behavior Model: motivation, ability, and prompts The significance of context in habit design Strategies for troubleshooting and enhancing behavior change The impact of celebrating small successes on habit reinforcement For full show notes,⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠!⁠ Connect with the show: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheOneYouFeedPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you enjoyed this conversation with Dr. BJ Fogg, check out these other episodes: How to Create Elastic Habits that Adapt to Your Day with Stephen Guise How to Make Lasting Changes with John Norcross By purchasing products and/or services from our sponsors, you are helping to support The One You Feed, and we greatly appreciate it. Thank you! This episode is sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aura Frames⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠AuraFrames.com /FEED ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get $35 off Aura's best-selling Carver Mat frames – named #1 by Wirecutter –  by using promo code FEED at checkout. This deal is exclusive to listeners, and frames sell out fast,  so order yours now to get it in time for the holidays! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Uncommon Goods ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠has something for everyone – you'll find thousands of new gift ideas that you won't find anywhere else, and you'll be supporting artists and small, independent businesses. To get 15% off your next gift, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠UNCOMMONGOODS.com/FEED⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: Post your job for free at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠linkedin.com/oneyoufeed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This fifth episode of the Habits Series spotlights the “just do it” mindset and why ditching all-or-nothing thinking is non-negotiable if you want habits that truly stick. Lesley breaks down how tiny actions create momentum, why immediate celebration rewires your brain, and why failure is simply feedback. She also shares real examples from her Tarot routine and coaching experience to show how experimentation leads to clarity, confidence, and consistency.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why all-or-nothing thinking prevents you from making habits achievable.The importance of making habits manageable.Using a “just do it” mindset to act despite limited time.Making habits microscopic—down to opening the book only.Treating every failed attempt as data about prompts, timing, or desire.Episode References/Links:Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFicSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  If you are going to do something, you should do all of it. Otherwise, you should do none of it. Lesley Logan 0:04  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:46  Hi, Be It babe. Welcome back to our series on habits. We are working our way through. We are now on the other side of the half, and I am so excited. If this is your first time listening to us, I recommend going back to the beginning of the habits. You have to go back to episode one, about the beginning of the habits, just so you're not lost. And this is really where I just want to give you a pep talk, because when I was coaching people through their habits during, like, to do my habits coaching, training, years ago, I had to coach people for a couple of weeks, and no matter how much they were told by the expert himself that they need to make it smaller, that they need to make it they can't be all or nothing, that they're in experimentation mode, I found a lot of people being hard on themselves because they were unable to do the thing that they wanted to do. But they they didn't make it very small. They said, okay, for example, the habit was like, oh, I want to run five days a week, and I'm going to run a mile. And then the first day they didn't have enough time for a mile. The second day they did it, but then they were sore the third day, so they couldn't, then something happened on the fourth day, then on the fifth day, they didn't have enough time. All of a sudden, like, I'm not good enough. And that it, it doesn't even, insert your desired habit here. You know that's why it 30, 21, days, 30 days, 70 days, to make a habit isn't a real thing, because it's not about the the consistency every single day. Consistency really is a heartbeat. It's about actually making sure the thing that you want to have it's a habit is first of all something you want to do, right? It's really easy for us to have habits of other people's. Second, it's important that not only is it to have something you want to do, but we are putting it in an achievable bite size situation so that you can actually do the thing, so you can actually, like, check the box, right, from my perfectionist and my my achievers here, but a lot of you are overachievers and have an all or nothing mindset when it comes to things. And if you are going to do something, you should do all of it. Otherwise you should do none of it. And we come across this a lot at OPC. We have people who are like, oh, I only logged in once a week, and so I'm going to quit this. And it's like, once a week. That's what like, are you doing something else the rest week? No, well, then, isn't once a week better than nothing? Yeah, you're not wasting your money, right? You're not wasting your money at all. So we have to be kinder to ourselves. And I think one of the reasons, I think that, like this podcast, exists, is just to remind people that you're doing a great job and the thing you want to have and the things you want to have and the person you want to be, all that is possible, but doesn't come because you, like, snapped your fingers and woke up that day the next day, like, confident and put together with all the accolades. No, it comes together little by little, step by step, one brick at a time. Sometimes a brick falls, sometimes the brick is a little crooked, and then you learn how to be a better brick builder, or layer, brick layer. You know, you learn. You learn you can go faster, right? You know, the first time I, like, ran up a flight of stairs as a runner, like, I had to, like, look at every single step I was doing, right? There's these stairs in Santa Monica, they're like, super famous, oh, I kind of, I wonder if they're still there actually. They're in the,they're in the Palisades area and we would run from the top of the bluffs in Santa Monica down to Palisades and back up, right? And these really cool stairs, and the first, like the first set, first couple times, I couldn't even go all the way up the stairs, and then going down the stairs, I had to have my hand on the rail, right. And so, you know, but then I kept going, and it became easier to get all the way up the stairs. Came easier to just go down the stairs without touching the handle. Became easier to go two steps at a time. I got faster. Started timing myself. I got faster, right? In fact, let me tell you about these stairs. There was this guy who was going up them on a single leg all the way up, and then running down, then a single the other single leg all the way up. We're talking like so many flights of stairs. The fire department uses this to train and it happened to be like an Olympic speed skater. So anyways, all this to say, you actually don't get where you want because you snapped your fingers, you get there one step at a time, slow, slower, like, oh, you missed a step. Oh, you tripped up the step to toe. Oh, okay now you're getting faster now, now you're getting a straight line now, oh, now it's gonna be you could do with your eyes closed. Now you can do it in a single leg. So the all or nothing mindset is actually not a single person you admire in this world did anything with an all or nothing vibe. Every single one of them failed, hit their like literally had a door slammed in their face, fell to the ground, landed in mud, got up and did it again. So habits are not built on all or nothing mindsets, they will it will never happen. You will never have the habit you want. Another mindset you do need to have is a just do it mindset. Like, a just be it mindset. And that's hard. Like, it's easy to go, I can't do it right, so I'm not gonna do it today. I slept in. I'm not gonna do today. So today, for example, on the day we're recording this, I actually barely have enough time to do any of the things that I really wanted to do. I, like, I said in the last episode, I'm, like, really enjoying this, like, studying (inaudible). I was like, oh, I'm gonna do a card today. And I'm sitting on my desk and I'm gonna just do one card, and I'll open up my emails, right? And the truth is is, like, I sat down, I had seven minutes between when I sat down and what I had to do next. And so it's like, well, I'll do seven minutes of this thing. Just do it, right? Not an all or nothing thing, because I would, if I had that mindset, I wouldn't have done it yet. And what I can say right now is I might not be on card number three, right? I just started this yesterday, but I am halfway through card number two, and it's quite possible that I will have seven more minutes later today, and I can actually work on it, but the having a more just do it, just be it, like, do do what you can imperfectly is actually going to make your habits more successful. It's why a lot of people are so successful. It's why a lot of people who like, fail and fail and fail until they get it like they learn so much from the failure. Exactly, for example, today, like when I did the first day, it took me, like, 20 minutes, and I was like, because, because I was reading a bunch of different things, I had to get a bunch of different stuff together, like I was trying to connect the dots. So as of right now, as the time of recording this, I actually don't know how long it takes me to do one card with all the different questions that they ask. Does it take me 20 minutes? Does it take me 15 minutes? Does it take me? Doesn't take seven. Takes longer than that. So because I don't know that, I have to just do what I can do, and then celebrate that I did do it. And by the way, I did celebrate. I was like, oh, checked out a page, worked out, really did a great job. It's amazing, right? So, so it's really important to and ditch the all or nothing. And said, go for the like, you know, done is better than perfect mindset. Okay? And then I have mentioned this before, but I actually want to talk about, like, the celebration part of how the habits are created, because it is the thing that is so key. And then I found that a lot of people had a hard time doing, right? They, they almost had a harder time doing this, and they did making things smaller, but it was a close, close touch right, like I could, for example, if I'm in my experimentation mode of this new habit, if I find that a couple days, like a card a day is really hard, maybe I can do one card like each day I open the book, but I do one page of the book, right? Like that might be where I have to do it, rather, because each card has about three pages. So maybe I have to go one page, maybe I have to go to just one question. Maybe I have to just, maybe the habit actually becomes just opening the book, and anything I do is extra credit. Do we see how we can make it I can make it so small that I end up just getting to pick up the book, right? We talked about that in episode one. Just pick up the book. So you got to make it super small, and you have to celebrate. So celebrations are the thing that I find that perfectionists have the hardest time with, like, what? Because it's like, well, is it really worthy of celebration if I just picked up the book? Yeah, it is. If you want to keep picking up the book, it is very much worth it. It is so important. So there's over 100 different ideas of celebration that BJ taught us, but I will tell you his really fun activity for figuring out how you like to celebrate. So take a bunch of different ways you can celebrate the moment. A song you like to play, a dance you like to do, a kid you want to high five. Hopefully it's your kid. You know, like, maybe put on your favorite lipstick and go amazing, maybe high five yourself, right? All these different ways you could celebrate and then set a timer for five minutes and go into a room in your house that's messy. Every time you put something away, try one of the new things on your celebration list so you find one that feels easy, authentic and totally you. That's the way you figure it out. So when you figure it out, right? So for me, I actually do say it out loud. It's, if you're around me, you'll hear me do it. And it's because, one, we all need a pep talk, sometimes, from time to time, like, yes, people are lovely, and I get lovely DMs about how amazing I am and what they love. But like, the truth is, is that, like, I have to love what I do, too, and that, in fact, my voice is louder than the other voices. So I'm negative of myself, I don't even hear the compliments. But if I'm positive to myself, I can totally receive those compliments. So I celebrate verbally, and it's usually something amazing, but sometimes, if it's something that's a little harder, a little more challenging for me, something I'm like, I am struggling to enjoy, I turn on the music like, our house doesn't have music going on 24/7 I wish it did. I kind of, like, I'm like, how do we get a Sonos type of thing? Can, Sonos, do you want to sponsor me? How do I have because I would love this music playing in the whole house while we're working. It would definitely cover the fact that I can hear my husband in his office. But I put music on and I put on, like, songs that, like, I just absolutely love, like, sometimes that's my way of celebrating. It really helps me, like, brightens the mood, sometimes the best way. So, you know, figure out, figuring out the way you like to celebrate. And it cannot, we talked about this in earlier series, or the series, cannot be a reward later on. It has to be in the moment, in the moment, and you need to do it, even if you think about doing the habit and you miss it. So like, if tomorrow I think about doing the Tarot book, but I don't get to the Tarot book, I have to celebrate that I thought about it in that moment, because it will help me continue to build that habit. I'm going to go on tour. I'm recording this before I go on tour. And so, you know, I am bringing on tour, and I how it will take. This experiment will continue to go because it's like, okay, when on tour is it easy for me to grab this book? Is it beginning of the day? Is it at the end of the day? Is it, you know, when I'm eating dinner? Is it before I leave the van to go the gym? Like, when is it? Right now, I can tell you right now, it's not gonna happen in the morning. As much as I would love it to like, it would just like, start the day there, it's not easy, because I have to turn on a light. My husband's in the van. Dog has to pee. I have a limited time to work out and get my, get ready for the day, so I already know that that's not gonna be when I do it. So at the home, it's like before I when I sit down at my desk to work, I will do my Tarot like it's gonna, on the tour, it's gonna have to be like every day before I go to bed I will do the Tarot, right, like it might have to be like that. I don't know, I might like it more. It might become part of my nighttime routine, that we will find out. Lesley Logan 11:26  And so I just want to wrap this up by saying you're allowed to, in your process of implementing habits, get it wrong. Get the time wrong, get the prompt wrong, get the location of when you want to do it wrong. Get the size of how tiny it needs to be to get started, you're allowed to get it wrong, because every time you do, it's feedback and information about how you operate better, how what makes you tick, what makes it easier for you to build habits and and truly putting in the right spot so you're not overwhelmed, so that it's, it's, it's in the part of the day that actually fuels you. And also sometimes, as you're working through a habit, you realize you don't want it, like, I, there are some habits I really have wanted to create, or I thought I did, and then in the effort of putting through it, some of the habits that I thought would get me to the goal that I wanted weren't the thing that did it at all. They weren't the thing that did it at all, right? And I just want to share that with you, because you're not always going to get the exact right habit down. Not not only like, like as a habit, but it might not. It might even like, in the process of experimenting, might be like, you know what? I actually love doing this in the morning, but I don't want to do this in the morning. It needs to be something else. Like, I thought that running would help me feel like the health goal that I had, and it's actually not running, it's boxing, like you're the you're allowed to fail, because it's just feedback that helps you get to know yourself more. And the more you do this, the more you work this series, the easier it is for you to actually add in new habits. You start to be quicker going, oh, I know that's gonna be hard for me. I'm not gonna do it. Oh, I know that's going to be a little easier for me, and I want to do it right? Or, you know, I have this feeling of myself that I don't want to do it. Last time I felt this feeling, I should have listened. So I'm gonna listen right now. You just get to know yourself more. Failure is feedback, and I really wish we could give failure like a better there should be another word for failure, like being in process, right, is what you're trying to do. So whether you get like you nail the habit today and you don't tomorrow, it's just information on, do I have the right prompt? Is this tiny enough? Is it? Is it something that I am I enjoying it, right? Am I enjoying it? And then, most importantly, let yourself be a beginner, right? You're new to this habit. You're new to, even if it's something you used to do and you got out of the habit, you unraveled it, right? You're it's new to you and the person you are today. And so it just takes time. So ditch all or nothing. Take the messy action, celebrate what you did do and reflect, correct and continue. You got this. You're amazing. Have an awesome day. Lesley Logan 14:01  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 14:42  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 14:48  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 14:53  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 15:00  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 15:03  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3848: Kalen Bruce shares a refreshingly realistic approach to decluttering by focusing on mindset over method. With insights on why we hold onto things and how to gently let them go, his strategy helps you build lasting habits without the pressure to overhaul your entire home in one weekend. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://freedomsprout.com/declutter-slowly/ Quotes to ponder: "Your own pace must still be a pace." "You won't lose memories just because you gave something away." "Sometimes the most productive thing you can do is be productive before you feel productive." Episode references: Motivation Waves video by BJ Fogg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdKUJxjn-R8 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this Habits Series episode, Lesley breaks down what it truly takes to unravel a habit that no longer fits the life you want. She explains how prompts quietly drive your behaviors, why simply removing them often backfires, and how thoughtful replacements can make change feel easier and more sustainable. Through real examples and gentle mindset shifts, you'll learn how to spot the trigger behind an unwanted habit and create a version of the routine that actually supports who you're becoming.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why there's no such thing as a "bad habit," only habits that stopped serving you.How to identify the specific "prompt" that starts a habit you dislike.Why removing a habit creates a "vacuum" that makes you want to do it more.A powerful technique you can do for managing unavoidable prompts.Why using shame and judgment will not help you unravel a habit you don't want.Episode References/Links:Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFicSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsEpisode 613: Habits Special 1 of 8 - https://beitpod.com/ep613 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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How often is this happening? What is the prompt that's happening here? And how do I remove the prompt? Right? How do I evolve, change the scenario or change the setting? Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:52  Hi, Be It babe. We're here to talk about how to break a bad habit. Oh, actually, strike that. Reverse it. It is how to unravel a habit we no longer want. Specific like specificity in words matters. And when I studied habits, and I was studying and reading BJ's book, Tiny Habits, and then doing his program, it was so cool to hear that there's no such thing as a bad habit. All right, there's no such thing as a bad habit. There's only habits that no longer serve us, but at some point they did. Lesley Logan 1:25  If you are new to the podcast, hello, I'm Lesley Logan, and we are in the middle of a habits series. And so normally, with our episodes, I'm like, listen to whatever you want. Go back and forth. When we're in the series, I might, I would suggest you go to the first episode on Habits. Um, it's several episodes back. We're almost, we're halfway through, basically, the Habits series. And this is a series I want you to be able to come back to whenever you want to add in a new habit. So you definitely want to check in with number one, so we can get here. But it this episode itself might be something you will listen to over and over again, because you might come across habits that no longer serve you. And the reason I say that is, at some point, a habit, something became a habit because it was serving you at the time, and then it kind of got out of hand, right? Maybe eating lunch at your desk like was something you had to do because you were in a busy work week, and then it just became something you always did. And you are now feeling quite lonely, because you're not going out and having lunch with friends, because you have this habit of eating lunch at your desk. So there's nothing wrong with eating lunch at your desk, right? There's actually, there's like at its at its just surface level. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's no longer serving you, and then you have to break this habit, right? And so that would be really weird, because how do you break up with lunch? When you need to eat you need to eat. So the truth is, is that there's the way, the reason that BJ Fogg talked about unraveling a habit that no longer works is that there was a series of events that got you to the habit that you have, and there's a prompt that goes off that causes you to do the thing that you no longer want to do. It's not a bell, but you can think of it like a bell. There's a prompt that happens. So for example, if every time your boss calls, you bite your nails, the prompt to biting your nails started with your boss, it's your boss calling, right? Now, we can't stop your boss from calling, but knowing what the prompt is allows us to kind of understand, like, what can we do? So if you're looking at your life and they're looking at the things that you're like, oh, I wish I could change. I wish I didn't, like, have a second with my clients. And she was like, yeah, I find myself munching after dinner even though I'm not hungry. And so, by the way, there's like, again, there's nothing wrong with munching after dinner, but she no longer wants to munch up, and it's affecting her sleep. It's affecting the goals that she has, the energy she has in the morning, it's no longer working for her. So I told her, I said, well, we have to review, like, what is the prompt to grabbing the extra snacks? Like, is there a phone call? Is there a text? Is there a show you watch? Where are, where, where are you having the extra snacks, like, what's going on that this, that this prompt started? So she just sort of evaluate, like, what was her mind going through? And she realized it's kind of when she, like, is just scrolling on social with the TV going that she wants to munch, right? So she's actually just not really even being present. And so once you know, kind of, like the promptness at the situation that we can actually make decisions on what we're going to do to unravel this. In my example of the boss calls you bite your nails, we can't actually stop the boss from calling, most likely. So that prompt isn't something we can remove, but if the prompt is something you could remove, right, then you would just remove the prompt. Like, where you try to remove the prompt, right? So if, like, oh, you know, like the, everytime I watch this TV show, then I, then I sit and have a bag of chips. We could just remove the, in theory, remove the chips or the TV show. The problem with some of the removals of prompts is it, it creates a suction, a vacuum, right? That makes you want to do it more. Lesley Logan 4:57  In BJ's book, he talked about this woman who want didn't want to eat at her like, like, she was just munching at her desk. And so it's like, munching, like, candy or whatever at her desk. And so, of course, people be like, well, just don't buy the candy. Okay, so she didn't, and then she found herself wanting something to do at her desk, because she's had this habit of, like, having these M&M's at her desk. So she ended up going to the vending machine and getting, like, a couple candy bars, which was more than the couple of M&M's that she ate at her desk. And so that's that's what I'm saying when, like, you just take the thing away, it creates a vacuum that's actually a bit more powerful because your brain is thinking about it. So, so what ended up working for this person was actually to buy carrots and celery and other things that are like would you can deem a little bit more healthier as snacks at her desk. So she still snacks at her desk. We can't remove that she's at her desk. We can't remove that she's at work. We can't remove the stress at work. So we're just swapping out the habit for something else that she feels would serve her better, those those things, that those foods, that would give her more energy. Lesley Logan 6:00  So in your life, what are some habits you want to unravel? I mentioned in the first episode, like, I do play a video game, and I probably play a little more than I that I need to, and it's affecting my ability to read more, right? And I'm also wanting to start. I've been wanting to I've been studying tarot. I like to call it tarot, because my friend called it tarot, tarot, right? And so I've got this study book that I've got, and I've been playing with different apps that you can use to study tarot, because clearly, like, I'm with my phone, the reason the prompt is I'm in line usually, or sitting in the car, we're in traffic or and Brad's on a call. Like, there's I'm bored, right? I'm bored, and my phone is a thing that I have. I'm in a doctor's office waiting to be called. Like, yes, I could bring up a book around with me everywhere, but I actually don't carry a purse that often. So, so what if I don't want to play the video game anymore? I could swap it for one of these apps that helps me study tarot, right? So that's a case of like, okay, here's a habit I don't like about myself, and I when do I do it? Okay, this is when I do it. So the prompt is usually boredom. So let's replace it with something we do want to do, and then make that the new habit. Now, going back to Episode One, how do we make things a habit. We have to celebrate that we like doing it, that we're doing it. We have to acknowledge when we're doing it. right, all that kind of stuff. So whenever you were replacing something, it doesn't just become the new habit. You do have to go through the steps that we talked about in the first three episodes on the series, but you replace it with the habit you no longer want with something else. Lesley Logan 7:38  If you are in an instance where you can unravel the habit, right? You can really figure out, like, what the prompt is, oh, the prompt is, you know, I get, like, let's get an example of a prompt you can control. After I get home from work, I sit down on the couch and I veg out. So the prompt is that you get home from work and you sit down, right? So we can unravel that by, well, what if you actually went somewhere else before you got home, right? What if you just didn't go straight home? Oh, you have to go straight home because you've got kiddos. Okay. Then what can you do with your kiddo that could replace the opportunity to sit down on the couch? So we just need to get keep you from the couch with using another habit. We got to change the prompt. Is this making sense? So it is complicated. Some people's habits are really difficult. They have immersed themselves in their lives. We're talking like smoking or drinking, maybe negative self-talk, right? You want to unravel negative self-talk, you have to first notice what the prompt is, what goes off in your day that becomes the thing that goes ding? I've talked badly about myself right now, right? Like, that's hard. We have to those ones that are a little bit more omnipresent. They kind of come with us on a lot of different places. We have to just actually go, okay, hold on. How often is happening? What is the prompt that's happening here, and how do I remove the prompt? Right? How do I evolve, change the scenario or change the setting? Lesley Logan 9:11  In the first three episodes, I talked about, when you make a habit like, you also want to make sure that, like, where the habit is happening, your day is like, in the same place, like, if you want to actually be working out, but you are at work. Like, the habits not going to necessarily work, right? If you want to clean the kitchen, but you're, you're, you're usually in the garage at that time, it's going to be really hard for you to, like, get to the kitchen. I know that sounds like crazy. Some kitchen, the garages are next to each other, but, like, there, you'd be surprised, the effort that feels like a lot. So in all these cases, just taking in the time to go, what is starting the domino to the habit that no longer serves me? And then where is the scenario happening? Is it a location? Can I avoid that location? Yes, we can block and bless people who like are mean to us. And then that causes things like, maybe you're, you got someone in your family that whenever they call, you're just so stressed out afterwards, and so you're like, oh, I need a drink. And so, like, that's the prompt. But the reality is is like many of us are not gonna not talk to our family members, many of us are actually gonna take the call. So what do you do if you have that? Well, there was this really cool instance where BJ talked about this woman who was avoiding talk taking calls with her soon to be ex-husband, was making the divorce drag on. And she was doing that because every time talk to him, would stress her out, so she wouldn't talk to him. And then, of course, like they're not divorced, right? So basically, she made a new decision. She said, okay, every time I get on the phone with him to talk about these things I'm going to immediately book myself something that I want to do. So then she actually looked forward to every time he called, because it's like, okay, I took this call. I get to go book buy myself movie tickets that movie I wanted to see. Oh, I get to get my nails done. Oh, I get to book that massage. Like she just started rewarding herself with things that she wanted to do. It made the phone calls so much easier to get through, because she knew as soon as she got off she was doing something fun for herself. It made the divorce happen sooner. So if you can't avoid certain prompts that cause certain stresses or negative self-talk or or feelings you no longer want to have, what can we change that we do in the after part and make that the habit, and then take that, go back to Episode One and run through the process. Every time there's a habit you want to create, we have to go back to Episode One and run through the process, because we might think we know what's going to work. But then when you actually sit down and you look at like, okay, is that easy or hard to do? Is it easy for me to book myself a facial? Yeah, right? Or like, or do I want to? Yes. Can I afford to? Ooh, maybe that makes it harder. So maybe that's not the thing. Every time I talk to my brother who's stressing me out, I'm gonna book myself a facial. That might not be an option, but maybe you always get to go on a hike, right? Or maybe you get to, maybe you get to, you know, go read a book. Or maybe you call, maybe you have, like, some music that you play. This house, whenever we have a big work thing going on that causes a little anxiety, a little nervousness, a little like, oh, I don't know if this is gonna work. I don't know what to do. We actually have a YouTube video that we play, and we play it and it just her voice, calms my nerves, right, her her message, like, lifts my spirits. And by the end, I'm like, I'm ready to do it. I'm ready to do the thing. And so I would just say, like, this part of the habits building does take some self-awareness, huge self-awareness, but also it requires us to explore, like, what is it that we really want? And and it also requires us to to really be honest and take a 30,000 foot view of the things we no longer want. It's so easy to beat ourselves up for the habits you don't like about yourself, reading your email at night, right? If that's a habit that you have, you no longer want Sure. We could just say, don't look at your phone at night. Okay, but then what are you going to do? Because it creates a vacuum. So what are the what is the prompt that makes you open your phone? Can we remove that prompt? Okay, no, we have to have the phone because, like, you have a partner who works late, okay, oan we remove email from your phone? Can we set up apps that allow, that work, that don't allow you to open up your email on your phone after a certain hour? Okay, great. All these things are great ideas, but then, because this is a habit, and because it's going to be plaguing your brain to check that email and you're just going to go to your computer to check it, what can you do instead? How can we replace it so we don't have this void that causes a lot of pull like a magnetized pool? What do you want to do instead? If you aren't checking email at night, what are you doing? So something that I replace, like checking my phone at night with, is actually, one, I take a nice, long shower with, Epsom salt scrub, not a bath, an Epsom salt scrub. Oh my God, I love it. That's one of the really wonderful episodes we did with Rachel Varga. And then, two, I put my red light masks on. I have to lay in my bed with my clean face, my clean chest. I have to lay in my bed for 10 minutes so I can't I can't check my emails. I can't read them. I'm laying in my bed with my red lights on. And then by the time that's over, I'm so tired, it's enough just to get the last moisturizer thing on my face before I fall asleep. Right? So if you have things you want to remove from your life, it is a weave. It's a web that's been woven. So what were the strands that got you to where you are? How do we take those things? How do we untangle this mess? And then what are we gonna place it with that you want to do? Go back through episode one through three, and then you can come back here and work on the next one. These things can take time, so be kind to yourself. Remember celebrations do matter. Shame and judgment do not create habits, nor will they help you unravel a habit.Lesley Logan 15:01  All right. So in our next episode, we are going to talk about just some things to like consider when it comes to making a habit, because I think it's really easy for perfectionism to get in the way. So we're talking about that. And then we'll also go into Episode Six will just be a bit more about how habits can help you be it till you see it. I mean, after all, that's what this podcast is about. Lesley Logan 15:19  If this was helpful. If the series has been helpful, I would it would mean the world to me. If you would send it to a friend. It really the this podcast, the growth of this podcast, it really matters, one, for us to keep doing it. And two, if we want bigger guests, like some of you, have sent me some amazing guests, and I'm like, oh my God, I love that. You think I'm that huge. We definitely have to be huge. So we're getting there. We are getting there so mighty. And it means the world to me that you're listening. And I can't wait to keep growing with you. I can't wait to be it until we see it with you. I can't wait to how you use these habits in your life. So share this with friend as we continue to grow and then the whole world is being it until they see it. Lesley Logan 15:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. 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In this third Habits Series episode, Lesley gets honest about the messy middle of change and why breaking out of the all-or-nothing trap starts with tiny, testable habits. She explains how experimenting with prompts reveals what actually works, why celebration matters, and how your feelings toward a habit determine whether it sticks. Lesley also shares why you must expand a habit before stacking a new one on top. Listen in and choose one small habit to shrink, test, and celebrate this week.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why all-or-nothing mindsets make habits harder to keep consistently.How experimenting reveals when habits genuinely work best in your life.How tiny habits help you test motivation, timing, and personal preference.The importance of celebrating attempts because how you feel truly matters.Why expanding a habit fully prepares you for stacking without overwhelm.Episode References/Links:Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFicSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Once you have this ability to make habits at the drop of a hat, because that's what's going to happen, right? When you celebrate, when you make it small, it starts to become a habit. It's really easy to add more in, but before you do that, we have to make sure we've expanded out what we've done. Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe. Welcome back to the Be It Pod Habits Series. This is a series we wanted you to have, because every time you pick up habits, if you don't know how to make a habit stick, then it's gonna be really frustrating to keep hearing about, like advice, about like, different things you could be doing, or maybe you're hearing it, be it action item. You're like, oh, I want to add that in. And you're like, and then you try, and it sucks and you don't get to do it, and then you feel like a failure, and that's not gonna help you be it till you till you see it. So if this is the first time you're listening to the Be It Pod, hi, I'm Lesley Logan. I am a habits mindset Pilates instructor and business coach, and I want you to listen to the first episode in the Habits Series. So go back to last week's episode. This is episode three, so make sure you go to the first one, all right. If you've been listening to it, then you have been practicing. So like me, you've been practicing your tiny version of the habit you're trying out. We're in experimentation mode, okay. All or nothing mindsets do not work. They don't work. Being a perfectionist doesn't work. You've got to try this in an experimentation mode. In your experimentation mode, maybe you've discovered, like, I was trying to read my book after I sat down for breakfast, I'm gonna pick up my book, right? But maybe you discovered that, like, where you put something, it didn't work. You got to try it for a different time slot. I'll give you an example of a habit I was trying to do. So we have these white counters. They're super beautiful. Like, they look really good, and mag like photos, it's like, so clean. Anytime you do anything in the kitchen, the countertops somehow already look dirty, like they just look like you're like, what the heck? I just walked in here, and now there's dirt. So of course, you make coffee every morning, and of course, once you make coffee, like, even as careful as you are, there's like, somehow grounds everywhere, and it would drive me crazy, because I wanted to have clean countertops. I'm not a, I'm not a, I'm not a, I'm a messy person, not a dirty person. So I don't like the way the coffee grounds were on the counter, but I was struggling to figure out, how do I just wipe down the countertops throughout the day so that they're clean, right? And so I thought, when I was practicing this that, oh, the best habit is, like, after I make my coffee, I'll wipe down the counters. We talked about how specific like prompts don't work. It has to be after something you already do. I always make my coffee. I never miss making my coffee. So after I make my coffee, I'm gonna wipe down the counters. Make the coffee. Put it down. Wipe it down. I visualize this. I thought it had all mapped out. I mean, how hard is it? Oh my gosh, you guys, I struggled so hard two two days in a row of trying this experiment out, that didn't work. So then I tried to make it smaller, okay, well, after I make my coffee, I'll grab the towel. I'm just gonna grab it, I'm just gonna put my hand on it. And that didn't work. And I was like, oh, what is going on? And then I was like, you know, thinking about it, and I was like, well, the motivation at the moment might be in conflict. After I make the coffee, I want the coffee so I don't necessarily want to sit down and clean something. So I changed the experiment to after I put my coffee mug in the sink, I'll wipe down the counter, right? Because now I'm putting the coffee down, I'm in a cleaning mode. I could just, like, wipe down the counter. I'm in the same place that the habit needs to be. And that's another thing. When you're doing the experiment, if you said you wanted to go for a run, but where I before, like, after you do your last email before lunch, you're gonna go for a run, but where you work isn't a place you like to run, or it's not safe to run, or it's you actually need to take the shower, or whatever, like, if there's something in conflict, we have to change the time of when we're trying to do something. And so in your experimentation, you're not just experimenting with the habits that you're testing out. You're experimenting with the size, and you're experimenting with where it goes. So to recap, remember, we talked about like, maybe the habit is to read every day for 20 minutes, but I have to first start with picking the book up. Maybe your habit is running, but you have to first start by putting the shoes on. Right? If you're not used to putting the shoes on, then now, if you're already walking every day, okay, maybe you are going to run block, and if that's too much, you're going to run to the next house, right? How can we make it as small as possible, as tiny as possible, for this to be helpful for you, for this to actually be successful for you, for you also to discover if you like it, right? Like, do you even like this habit? Like, I say I want to read a physical book, but maybe after all, experimenting that I do, I'm like, I actually just like to listen to them, You know what? Right now in my life, I like to listen to them. That's fine, right? So I want you to be thinking, okay, how small can I make it? Am I doing it the right time? Is it after the right thing? So for example, another one would be like, o h, after I get home from work, I'm going to do my Pilates. But after you get home from work might not be specific enough, because maybe you have to put your bag down, then you have to go change your clothes, then you have to, like, let the dog out. So maybe you actually said it would be after work, but it wasn't specific enough. And we actually need to get more specific with when something is happening, and the more specific you can be, right after I sit down at my desk, I will make those sales calls, after I sit down at my desk, I will meditate for five minutes, after I sit down, after I park my car, I will meditate for five minutes, after I brush my teeth, I'll put my phone away. You see how it's like, how specific can we get so that it's not vague after I get home from work, because there's a lot that can go on, and then there's different motivations that happen. We also talked about celebration, right? If you are not celebrating doing the thing you said you're going to do or thinking about doing it, it makes it very difficult for these habits to stick, because then you're having to operate off of the idea that you need 21 days or 70 days. So an example of why we have to celebrate. We all remember, during the pandemic, depending where you lived, we all had to wear masks to go to the grocery store, right? And then there was that day when we all got the permission we don't need to wear the mask. Hallelujah, right? Don't use the mask. Then, oh crap, you got to wear a mask again. How many times you remember the mask? But you wore it every day for three weeks, for a month, if to me, where you lived, we were in California. We wore those masks for months, right? Soon as you had one day, you have to wear it. What happened a week later when you had to, forgot it? Why? Because your brain hated it. You hated wearing the masks, so your brain despised it. So as soon as you didn't have to remember anymore, you didn't remember it anymore. That's why how you feel about something matters. If you don't like something that you're doing, let's not make a habit around it, right? This is your life. You get to live one of them that we know of, so we may as well enjoy it. We want our life to be a series of habits that we enjoy doing that serve us, right? So that is how, that's experimentation. Lesley Logan 7:53  Now let's say you slayed this. It's going really, really well, and you're like Lesley, I have three other habits I wanted to work on, I want to add into I want to do. So that's where the idea of habit stacking comes from with James Clear. BJ doesn't call it that, but yes, every habit is just a prompt to the next habit, okay. So if you are ready to add another one in, you go back to the beginning. What are all the things that you could do? How easy or hard is it to do? How can I make it as tiny as possible? And then where? What is it coming after? How am I doing this my life? And then we experiment with it. So I would not. I don't recommend practicing one more than one new habit at time when you're new at this. Once you're new, you could practice like, two, maybe three different things, doing physical habits, like, habits that are not, how to explain this, emotional habits you don't like about yourself are really hard. Okay, so that's more advanced. So I wouldn't try adding those in or practicing those until we get really good at like, the more tangible habits, like the workouts you want to do, or the acts or services that you want, the space you need in your calendar, that kind of stuff is a little easier. Things that have to do with emotions, for example, I want to stop talking negatively about myself. Well, that's going to require us to be aware first of when we are starting to talk negatively about ourselves. So I would recommend saving those for when you get a little more advanced. But when you want to add a new habit in, you add one at a time, and you make it as small as possible, okay? And if you thought you made it smaller and you didn't, that didn't work, make it even smaller. Okay? If you really want to do it, make it even smaller. I think it's easy for us overachievers and perfectionists, when we start to hear how easy it is to make a habit, we start to go gung ho on all the different habits we want. I promised you that we would do an episode on how to unravel a habit, and I'll make sure that we actually do get into that in the next episode. So if that's what you want, right into the next episode. Lesley Logan 9:58  But I do want to say, this might be the time as you're trying to create space and prompts for the habits you want, you might be noticing the habits that you don't like. And so all I should do right now is just notice them, take note, because in the next episode, we'll dive into that. But when you are I can't, I find myself, like, wanting to come into your home right now and like, whole like, see what you're doing as far as habits you want to add. Because what I don't want is you try to add a bunch of new things at the same time. So for example, if I actually were to tell you all the little habits that I have that I've created for myself, it might overwhelm you. But some people, it actually makes them go after all that. So I do shake plate, I do run, I do do Pilates. I do have red light masks my face and my neck. I do have a pimp mat. I do have a sauna blanket. These are all like, crazy. I'm gonna sound like I have, like, too many things, and I'm like, but these are all things that make me feel good, right? I bought one at a time, and I made sure I had a habit around it before I bought it. So have you ever, like, bought, like, oh, I bought a gua sha, right, two years ago, gua sha, but I didn't actually plan it accordingly to add it into my busy life. So I've actually struggled tremendously on like, when am I going to gua sha? What is the prompt? What is the thing that I do so that I can gua sha. I have moved the gua sha from the bathroom to the extra bathroom, from the extra bathroom to the shower, from the shower to like, let's move different places. I moved it to my bed. I put the oil in my bed. Like, I've tried all these different things. And I really asked myself, like, do I want this habit? Is this making sense? So before you buy any of the things about a habit you want to have, it's really important for you to explore like, where do I think this could be, and what part of this habit can I practice? How small can I make it before I make this purchase? So I don't buy things that I'm not going to use, so I don't put pressure on myself, because what happens is we have the sunk cost fallacy. We're like, oh my gosh, I spent all this money on this thing. I've got to do it. And then we have stress and shame around that thing. And so then, what does our brain do? Not do it. It doesn't do it right, because it's not even thinking about it. So I would really try to find, like, the things that you're wanting to add into your life, if you are wanting to add in more Pilates, like, how can we make rolling out the Pilates mat or putting out the Pilates clothes? How can we make a habit around something tiny before you invest in the Reformer or the studio membership, things like that? So, I, my team and I talk about, like, stack it like you mean it. It's once you have this ability to make habits at the drop of a hat, because that's what's going to happen, right? When you celebrate, when you make it small, it starts to become a habit, like a dropof a hat. It's really easy to add more in, but before you do that, we have to make sure we've expanded out what we've done. So remember, with my example from the last couple episodes, I want to read more. So after I sit down at breakfast, I pick up the book. So far I've picking up the book. I haven't read the book. I haven't fulfilled the eventual habit, which is, like, I'm going to read this book. This book is going to be coming. I actually read so before I stack another habit, like after I pick up the book, I go, I go to, you know? I go, do I shake plate. I have to, actually, once it gets easier for me to just grab that book without thinking about, with having to remember it, then I can read the book, right? I can read a page. And so maybe the next habit is like, okay, after I sit down for breakfast, I read one page of my book, and when that becomes easier, and I start to realize, oh, I average at five pages, then it could be like, okay, I read for all the entire time having breakfast. Once that becomes easier, then I can stack something else after that book, but I cannot stack anything on top of the book until that habit is set and it's only going to get and it and it's at the place that I want it. So I have to, like, expand it as much as I wanted, because once I stack them on top of it, I have hamstrung the book reading. Right? I can only read the book as long as nothing is coming after it. That could shorten how long I read the book. That makes sense? If you were wanting to run a mile every day, and you're like, okay, after I take off my running shoes, I then stretch for 10 minutes, but you have a time concern when you have to actually get done with your stretching, if you haven't really expanded the running to what you want it to be, putting that next habit on top of it, one, it could it could fail the moment you skip a run. Two, you might not get to a full mile by the time you have to start stretching, and then that's going to affect your ability to feel good about what you're doing. We'll have stress and shame around it. We'll have guilt, we'll have judgment. We won't do it, right? So emotions really do matter. So I want you to understand, like, how do I expand? When am I ready to expand the habit, should feel really natural. And then once that happens, then I can stack on top of it. Until then, I can only stack on things that are already secure and already doing well. And if I stack on them, I have to, one, make sure that I've experimented on the size of the habit that I'm stacking the emotional celebration afterwards that I'm doing before I add another one. So no one is adding, no one is adding more than a couple habits at a time, experimentations at a time. Ideally, you start with one at a time, until you get good at it, then you can do two. I think the max, I would say it would be like three in a week. Lesley Logan 15:39  Your homework is to review that. Notice the habits you're wanting to unravel, because that's gonna be the next episode. And I guess I want to just say, like, notice if there's habits that you're like but Lesley, I really want to change these things about myself. They're a little bit more esoteric, a little bit more in the brain, like we're talking about, like, negative self-talk. Also, just write those down, because we'll talk about those kinds of things in the next episode as well. But they are just a bit more advanced, because you have to actually be able to catch yourself like, oh, there was a negative, negative self-talk moment, and then we can have a habit that we do instead. So those are just some things we'll talk more about that soon. It's going to fit better with the unraveling of a habit, because, again, things that no longer serve us are just habits that we used to think did, and they're doing something in our brain that makes us keep it around, and we have to figure out what's prompting that, what's starting that. How is that? How can we, what control do we have around that? There's so many different things we can talk about. So anyways, this is about, hopefully, that gave you some ideas on how to habit stack, how to make something tiny be more closer to the habit that you want. And most importantly, it takes time becoming like, being it until you see it just takes time. Having habits that you actually want to have in a life you want to have. It's not a light switch, it's it's more like this really fun little heartbeat graph as we practice, and we figure it out, and, oh, we it's the wrong place in the day practice and then it becomes something that actually is sustainable and feels good, and you don't even have to think about it. And all of a sudden, you're like, oh, I read every morning. And people like, when do you do this? How do you do this? And you're like, I just do it right? That's what we want. That's how good a good habit can become. It's something you don't even have to think about. You don't have to think about. You don't have to celebrate anymore, because you just do it. And that is a question I get a lot like, when do I get to stop celebrating when your habit is at the length of time or the intention that you want, and you don't have to you don't have to remind yourself you just picked up the book, you got lost reading. You just put your phone away and you went and you had two hours before bed, three hours before bed without screen time, like when it just becomes so natural, that's when you get to stop celebrating, because it's now a habit and you can add something on top of it. So not stacking habits until you have habits in place, is one of the best ways to having a schedule that really doesn't feel overwhelming, to having a life, to having a life that actually does lead you to where you want to grow. Thank you so much. You guys are so so amazing. How are these working for you? How is the series working for you? I want to know. What habits are you working on? What habit, what wins are you having, I want to celebrate that on our on our FYF episode. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 18:18  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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