Policing In America

In this we hear from a former FBI Cyber Special Agent who pulls back the curtain on how data can be a game-changer in the fight against crime—but also reveals the startling ways many police agencies are getting it wrong. Our conversation dives into the challenges and opportunities of leveraging data for public safety. Whether you're a tech enthusiast, a law enforcement professional, or just curious about the intersection of technology and justice, this episode will leave you with a new perspective on the power—and potential missteps—of data in modern policing.

Ret. Captain Christine Collins is a decorated veteran and trauma nurse during a pivotal deployment to Afghanistan in 2009. Stationed at Bagram Air Base, she found herself at the epicenter of the conflict, tirelessly working to save the lives of American troops, Afghan civilians caught in the crossfire, and even enemy fighters. Through her raw and poignant memoir, Christine unveils the physical and emotional toll of war, not just on those fighting but also on the medical personnel tasked with picking up the pieces. Her amazing book titled Service Honor and Sacrifice can be found on Amazon, Audible, or wherever you purchase your books.  Christine is a truly amazing woman and after spending some time with her I can tell you this - I am glad she is on our side! Tough, intelligent, and unstoppable.    

I have been wrestling with the recent news reports about the historic plummeting of crime rates for some time.  I am left thinking, "Don't believe your lying eyes."  Depending on which news outlets you watch you might have a very different perspective on crime.  The left tells you the drop in crime is historic - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/30/trump-crime-fbi-data-murder-statistics/73443631007/ Right-wing outlets tell you Blue States are basically hellscapes and it's Mad MAX everywhere. I want an honest conversation to find the truth and perhaps some nuance.  I have reached out to Jeff Asher (with no luck) to come on the show and share his data.  John Lott was more than willing to come on and share his.  Enjoy and please let me know your thoughts.

Donovan Brit is a US Army Veteran, a 3rd Degree Black Belt in Krav Maga, and the creator of the Las Vagas Combat Academy.  https://lasvegascombatacademy.com/ Donovan shares his unique insights on police use of force, self-defense, and how to prepare for the worst-case scenario.  

Scott Savage is the founder of The Savage Training Group.  A police training and education company committed to providing the highest quality police training and education.  Scott recently retired from policing as a Lieutenant.  During his time in law enforcement Scott worked a variety of units including SWAT.  His unique experiences and perspectives coupled with his incredible skill-set makes him at the tip of the spear in modern police training and education. Learn more about this company here - https://savagetraininggroup.com/about-us/ Read some of his work here - https://savagetraininggroup.com/officer-confuses-falling-acorn-gunshot/ Please let me know what you think . .

Peter J. Forcelli is a retired Deputy Assistant Director from the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. He served for 15 years with the N.Y.P.D., before retiring from the Bronx Homicide Task Force. Mr. Forcelli is a survivor of the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks on the World Trade Center, and the lung cancer that he later developed because of his work in the rescue and recovery efforts at Ground Zero.  Mr. Forcelli is also a WHISTLEBLOWER for Operation Fast and Furious.

In this episode I have the pleasure of speaking with a nationally recognized journalist and winner of multiple Golden Mic awards Steve Gregory of KFI news.  Steve shares his extensive knowledge on the media, the coverage of policing, national versus local news, and how agencies can create partnerships with the media to enhance policing relations and perceptions of policing.   Steve's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stevegregory640/?hl=en Steve's Linkdin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevegregory640/ Follow Steve on X here - https://twitter.com/stevengregory?lang=en      

Chip Huth has spent more than four decades building his leadership credentials.  From growing up in poverty, to leading an internationally recognized SWAT unit, to speaking on a TED stage, Chip shares with us his incredible story, lessons he learned the hard way, his mistakes, and his incredible accomplishments.  Personally, Chip is someone I look up to and someone who inspires tens of thousands of cops.  I hope you enjoy our talk as much as I enjoyed having it.   Thank you for your continued support - I am beyond grateful that you continue to join me on this journey. His book can be purchased at https://www.vitalsource.com/products/unleashing-the-power-of-unconditional-respect-jack-l-colwell-v9781420099768?duration=180&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=VST%20Tier%20Two%20ShoppingGoogle-US&msclkid=2718cb03e79b1de891d4aeb3680ad2f2 his TED talk can be viewed here https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&ei=UTF-8&p=chip+huth+ted+talk&type=E210US714G0#id=1&vid=62e3eaa53a2354631f566a20a7e71a66&action=click See what Chip is up to here https://www.linkedin.com/in/charles-chip-huth-85826125/  

In the world of policing Trauma informed care is taught to police officers so that officers can better deal with community members experiencing mental and emotional crisis.  However, very little time is spent on officers interacting with each other through the lens of trauma informed care.  September is Law Enforcement suicide awareness month.  Our guest, Dr. Michelle Gundy, is making it her professional mission to educate officers and stop the suicide epidemic present in our community.  An added benefit of this is the officers will better serve and protect their community members.  

During this podcast I have a robust conversation with award-winning writer/director Mathew Solomon.  Despite our different points of view, perspectives, and opinions we find a great deal of common ground and hopefully set the example for how dialogue and debate should occur.  

Bob Scales shares his insights and experiences with Seattle PD and their Consent Decree.  Fair-minded, reasonable, and academically rigorous Bob is a pleasure to listen to and has a lot to say.

In this episode, I continue my post-Memphis series with Dr. Frank Tortorello.  Dr. Tortorello is a trained and educated cultural anthropologist, author, researcher, and strategist.  Dr. Tortorello has a number of articles and his book can be found here https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B08N6R8F44&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_P81GM772XRDZAXDCP72P   Is it police culture or personal choice?  Is it individual values or organizational pressures? Hear what Frank has to say - it's amazing!

Democratic Strategist, nationally syndicated radio host, and FOX News contributor Leslie Marshall and I discuss what many in policing see as a no-brainer. Media Bias when it comes to covering the police.  Leslie is known for her honesty and fair perspective.  Hear what she has to say about this topic and the racism in America today.  

Stafanie Faye is a neuroscience specialist who has worked with Google, Stanford, UC San Diego Medical school, the Department of Defense, the Canada School of Public Service, and many more.   To learn more about this incredible woman please visit her website here https://stefaniefaye.com/   In this episode, Stefanie and I discuss a wide range of policing issues and how a better understanding of neuroscience will improve policing.    

Elizabeth Franklen-Best, a 20-year attorney, has been reversing criminal convictions for 15-plus years.  We discuss a component on the Criminal Justice system that does not get as much attention as policing; criminal sentencing. Elizabeth is a pragmatic, intelligent, attorney who values public safety.  She also fights for those who many have written off; the incarcerated.  It was a pleasure to talk with Elizabeth and hear her perspective on how one part of the justice system can be improved and why it needs to be.   https://elizabethfranklinbest.com/about-attorney/    

Peter Kirsanow is a distinguished US Commission on Civil Rights member and a practicing attorney.  Mr. Kirsanow believes data should drive public policy, not emotions, not feelings, and certainly not the media.  

Sgt Tom speaks with Jessica Nordell about the social and cognitive phenomena of bias.   Can police departments foster trust and legitimacy with those they are sworn to protect and serve through a better understanding of bias?  Are the right incentives in place to encourage fair and just policing? To learn more about Jessica and her amazing work please visit https://www.jessicanordell.com/  

Policing across the US seems to embrace a "para-military" framework.  However, policing seems to simply assume the hierarchy and rank structures but appears to be failing in the training and education of their officers.  Dr Frank Tortorello suggests that training is being "over-neurologized".     Could Dr. Tortorello be on the verge of initiating a quantum leap in police training and education?  Give a listen and tell me what you think.  I for one am convinced he is on to something big.      

Professor Peter Moskos, a Princeton and Harvard-trained sociologist, author, and one-time Baltimore cop teaches us about Broken Windows policing; why it's good, why it went awry and is it time to re-visit this crime reduction strategy?

In this episode, I speak with Professor Lois James from the Washington State University School of Nursing.  Professor James has focused a large part of her scholarship on the intersection of sleep deprivation, bias, and policing.  She is a brilliant researcher, fair in her methodology, and rigorous in her conclusions.  Sleep-Deprivation is a national issue, but because of policing's unique role in society, the costs associated with chronically fatigued officers must be addressed.  

In today's episode, I have a conversation with Professor emeritus Dorothy Schulz.   Prof Schulz has a forthcoming research article on the Wandering Cop.  Those cops who get into trouble at one agency, but flee to another agency before they can be held accountable for their actions.   Please keep an eye out for Dr.Schulz's work which is featured in City Journal and at the Manhattan Insititute where she is also a Fellow.  

Professor Barry Latzer has spent decades studying and researching crime in the United States.  This endeavor led Professor Latzer to an interesting conclusion; is it possible that the charge of over-incarceration and "mass incarceration" are terms of opprobrium but not at all supported by the data we currently have.  

Robert VerBruggen is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute where he also writes from City Journal.  Robert has a list of professional and academic accomplishments including the Chicago Headline Club Peter Lisagor Award.  Robert writes on a variety of contemporary issues including public policy, policing, education, public finance, health care and cancel culture to name a few.  More on Robert can be found at https://www.city-journal.org/contributor/robert-verbruggen_1816  

In this bonus episode, I have the pleasure of speaking with Professor Peter Moskos from John Jay College.  Professor Moskos is an author, a historian, a former police officer with the Baltimore Police Department, and an all-around reasonable gentleman.  

Arif Alikhan is a National expert on policing, public policy, homeland security, counter-terrorism, and the law.  In this episode, Arif explains the importance of the Constitution and how this body of work needs to be at the forefront of policing in America.    

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Charles Fan Lehman, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute as they discuss data in policing. The Manhattan Institute is a conservative non-profit American think tank focused on domestic policy and urban affairs, established in Manhattan in 1977. Lehman is currently working on their Policing and Public Safety Initiative and as contributing editor for the City Journal. In this episode, they discuss data in policing, the defunding of the police movement, and the repercussions of George Floyd's death.  In this episode you will learn: Lehman's opinion on the current state of policing “The Minneapolis Effect?”  Extending the probationary period for new officers The importance of data-driven policing  “Data on policing in America is terrible... it comes out slow... it's voluntary reporting” - Charles Lehman   Connect with Charles Fan Lehman on: Twitter: https://twitter.com/CharlesFLehman Website: https://www.manhattan-institute.org/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/policinginamericapodcast/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Lydia Guzman the Chairwomen of the Phoenix PD and the Dept of Public Safety's Hispanic Advisory Boards as they talk about accountability in policing. In 2017, Lydia's actions as well as those from other activists helped convict Sheriff Joe Arpaio. In this episode you will learn: When Sheriff Joe crossed the line.  Reappropriating funds for Mental Health experts  What to do when a police officer gets "the jitters" after a shooting.  The problem with the sheriff being an elected.  Use of force and what keeps her up at night.  Read The Book: Driving while Brown  https://www.amazon.com/Driving-While-Brown-Sheriff-Resistance/dp/0520294084 Connect with Lydia Guzman on: Twitter: https://twitter.com/lydiaguzman?lang=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LydiaGuzmans   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/policinginamericapodcast/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com      

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Taheim Bryan, the writer and producer of the movie Equal Standard as they talk about systemic racism and the American police force. They compare policing styles in different parts of the country, and share statistics as they discuss the murder of George Floyd. They also have an uncomfortable conversation about what happens when people make "generalizations" about a community based on the color of their skin. In this episode you will learn: What inspired Taheim Bryan to write Equal Standard “I got convicted from the womb” - Taheim Bryan How America witnessed a "modern day lynching" with George Floyd Agendas, Police Oaths, Racial Profiling and Redlining in Policing  Understanding the difference between "living vs surviving" and how "living well is a privilege. Watch Equal Standard: https://www.equalstandardmovie.com/    Connect with Taheim Bryan on: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taheim-bryan-66985242/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamtaheim1st Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therealtaheim/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com  

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and Colonel James  Minnich, an academic, author, and retired U.S. Army Colonel as they talk about leadership in policing. Minnich has in-depth experiences in NE Asia since 1982, including 15 years of duty in Korea. He is a professor at the Daniel K. Inouye Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Hawaii where he previously served as Associate Dean, Senior Military Professor, and Senior Military Officer before retiring as a U.S. Army Colonel after 37 years of active duty in 2019. 
 Definition of Leadership: "I see leadership as an act of inspiring and influencing people. By providing purpose, direction, and motivation to help them think and act." - Colonel Minnich The Five Dysfunctions of a Team - fear of bringing things up is one of those dysfunctions that creates “yes-man” organizations.  Crises in leadership The importance of accountability in policing  People as the priority vs People as the problem Connect with Colonel James on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-minnich/ School: https://apcss.org/college/faculty/minnich/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com   Resources Mentioned:    From Good to Great The Speed of Trust  Kotter 8 Step The Five Dysfunctions of a Team  

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and Deon Joseph discuss his open letter to Lebron James and why he is hoping to work with him to save lives. The talk about comments by Kamala Harris, racism in the policing, and the importance of being more proactive in regards to mentally illness.  Open Letter to Lebron James in response to his tweet. What it's like answering questions on "big media" shows  Mental Health Issues on Skid Row and beyond Having "the talk" about police with children  Connect with Deon Joseph on: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deon-joseph-898549124/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

“It is disappointing that I have to make the following statement, however, with the Derek Chauvin Trial coming to a close combined with the recent controversial Officer Involved Shootings in Minneapolis and Chicago. Many Law Enforcement agencies are hoping for the best, but must prepare for the worst. I am still an active member in law enforcement and my duties and responsibilities as such remain my first priority. Therefore, I must take a week, maybe longer from the Policing in America podcast.  This breaks my heart because we are at a point when effective communication is vital. With that, please stay safe. and let us each take on the burden of ensuring we do not move backwards. Our communities rightfully have the expectation that they can express their feelings in the public square, but that comes with the responsibility of doing so productively, not destructively. Our officers also have the expectation that they will not be attacked for things they have nothing to do with. We are all in this together so let's not argue, let's not insult.  Let's have the conversations that are necessary for change.”

Dr. Yilmaz is a Harvard-trained doctor of neuroscience and is working with the best and brightest at Stanford.  Her work is creating a better understanding of the limits of human potential under stress.  While it seems like every bad outcome in policing is said to be the result of systemic bias, racism, or institutionalized marginalization there are a few who are stepping away from social science and taking a deeper dive into the hard science of how the brain works under stress.  What they are finding might change the way we train police and create a more realistic set of expectations for those in the police uniform.  

Join Sgt. Tom Datro as he interviews Sgt. Cleon Joseph about what it is like to be a black officer who loves his community. They have uncomfortable conversations about growing up in a "well-off" family before losing it all in a recession, becoming an activist and the internal struggle he went through when applying to become a police officer. They talk about the death of George Floyd, reparations and the underlying implicit bias that reveals itself every time an officer pulls over a black man.  Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com  

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Kristy Hodson PhD., as they discuss the neuroscience, specifically the possible schema at play in the officer Derek Chauvin's mind as they engaged with George Floyd. They talk about how our body reacts when our belief system is challenged (whether we realized it or not). And, Kristy shares a personal story about how her beliefs toward police where challenged due to an interaction with her family member. Defining "schema" and discussing neuroscience at play.  "I always thought police were the good guys until..."  The importance of asking yourself if you're in an informational silo.  Why more education for police is needed.   "We are so much more than the results of our worst mistake." CORRECTION FROM PRODUCTION:  There was an editing error around 18:00 mins that added silences and had the guests speaking over each other from time to time. This was not on behalf of the host. The issue has been adjusted. Thank you  Connect with Kristy Hodson on: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristy-hodson-619394a/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Arif Alikhan as they discuss the recent shootings in Atlanta that took the lives of six Asian American women and two others. They talk about the importance of police officers who are good at decision making and lastly, they ask themselves if racism is systemic, institutional and/or if the country has made progress? Alikhan is President & Chief Legal Counsel for Taclogix, Inc. Most recently, Arif was the Director of Constitutional Policing and Policy for LAPD.     The state of policing from your perspective.  “One bad rat in the kitchen… tarnishes all police.”  Attacks and hate towards AAPI Community Whether or not there is sufficient evidence to prove what happened in Atlanta is a hate crime? The importance of accountability in Policing in America.      Connect with Arif Alikhan on: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arifalikhan/    Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Lt. Justin Paquette, from the State of New Hampshire's Police Standards and Training Council as they discuss the call to “Defund The Police,” the idea that competence breeds competence and whether or not Active Bystandardership could have saved not only George Floyd, but Derek Chauvin as well.   In this episode you will learn: Pros and cons of defunding the police  Excessive Force vs Force Training in Policing  The problem with how police are portrayed in TV Extreme Accountability  The “Secret” Mental Health problem    Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Mbye Njie, an activist, who, after seeing the fallout from the Michael Brown case in 2015 and his own unpleasant encounters with police, set out to make a systematic change and help other BIPOC by founding Legal Equalizer. The mobile app allows users to capture police encounters after being pulled over, automatically notify loved ones in real-time, provide information on legal rights involving that encounter, and receive real-time legal advice. In this episode you'll learn:  Ways to help protect yourself during traffic stops or other encounters (e.g. hate crime, school shooting) How to help deescalate incidents of racial profiling Tips for overcoming adversity Ways people can get involved in their communities and be part of the change Njie talks about PD's internal "don't snitch" policy   Connect with Mbye Njie on: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mbyenjie/ Download the App: https://legalequalizer.com/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his Guest Jonathan Aronie Chair, Georgetown Law/Sheppard Mullin ABLE Project Board of Advisors and Government Talks Attorney as the discuss “data-backed” police trainings like: ABLE: Active Bystandardship for Law Enforcement and how it works. They also talk about how sleep may be a key factor in good and bad policing in America.  In this episode you'll learn: Police lessons learned from the death of George Floyd  The ABLE training system Why Aronie says he believes “bias training doesn't work”  What impact did the sit in at Woolworths have on the civil rights movement? Why sleep deprivation is the biggest not talked about problem   Connect with Jonathan Aronie on: Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaronie/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

Join Sergeant Tom Datro and his guest SWAT Officer Jonathan Pultz, talk about the trauma police officers experience call after call and how it can influence their actions. In this episode, Pultz talks about transitioning from a Warrior Mindset to a Guardian Mindset in policing. He discusses his personal struggles with this concept and how maturity, age, education and wellness all play a part in decisions police officers make.    In this episode you will learn: The difference between the Warrior & Guardian mindsets The importance of empathy in policing Overcoming the negative connotation associated with the "Guardian Mentality."   Current struggles to recruit new police officers  Officer Pultz talks about his first crises negotiation   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com  

Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Lisa Kurtz, the ABLE Project Director with the Innovative Policing Program at Georgetown University Law Center talk about restoring the integrity of police by creating a law enforcement culture that supports peer intervention. The two discuss Consent Decree, police misconduct and reframing what the idea of loyalty means for police officers.  In this episode you will learn: How police misconduct occurs (overtime)  Defining Consent Decree Compliance  Why we don't have wrong-doing in a vacuum  The meaning of Active Bystandardship and Peer Intervention Reframing the idea of what it means to be loyal to a fellow officer    Connect with Lisa Kurtz on: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisaabigailkurtz/   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com

Join Sergeant Tom Datro and his guest Dr. Bryant T. Marks, Ph.D., talk about biases, stereotyping, prejudice, discrimination, the police force, the media, and so much more. In this episode, Dr. Bryant explains how implicit bias takes us in the wrong direction once in a while and how racial bias can still exist on individual levels, even in those who do not have systemic power. As Dr. Bryant defines, implicit bias is mostly not about the intent but merely the brain at work.  In this episode you will learn:   The only two (2) ingredients you need to have an implicit bias. Defining stereotyping, prejudice, and discrimination. Racist and racism as a term; who has systemic power? The media and on taking control of your narrative. What is the Implicit Association Test (IAT)?     About Dr. Bryant T. Marks: Dr. Bryant T. Marks, Sr. is a minister, researcher, trainer, and award-winning educator. Dr. Marks has provided diversity, equity, and inclusion training for eighteen years. His personal and professional mission is to develop the knowledge, wisdom, and skills of others that will allow them to reach their full potential and live their lives with purpose and passion.  Dr. Marks is the Founding Director of the National Training Institute on Race and Equity and is a professor in the Department of Psychology at Morehouse College. He served on President Obama's Board of Advisors with the White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans and as a senior advisor with the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities.  Dr. Marks was a contributor/trainer with the Obama Administration's My Brother's Keeper (MBK) and 21st Century policing programs. Dr. Marks has provided implicit bias training to over 2,000 Police Chiefs and executives via a series of briefings at the White House in 2016 and several thousand patrol officers in local police departments, including the entire Los Angeles Police Department.  He has also provided training related to diversity and implicit bias to individuals in education (K-12 and higher education), philanthropy, non-profits, the local and federal government, and several other sectors. He serves on several national boards and is a highly sought after speaker and trainer. Dr. Marks holds a B.A. in psychology and a minor in economics from Morehouse College, and an M.A. and Ph.D. in Social Psychology from the University of Michigan. Dr. Marks conducts research and professional development in diversity and implicit bias, Black male psychology and development, the academic achievement of minority college students, innovations in STEM education, and personal passion and productivity. Dr. Marks is married to Dr. Kimberly Marks and father to Kim, Zion-Trinity, and Bryant II.   Connect with Dr. Bryant T. Marks on: Website: https://www.ntire.training Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryant-t-marks-ph-d-0b57433 Twitter: https://twitter.com/drbryantmarks   Connect with Policing in America Podcast on: Website: https://www.policinginamerica.com/ Email: policinginamericapodcast@gmail.com Take the Implicit Association Test: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html  

In the midst of the Coronavirus Pandemic violent protests against police brutality & racial inequality broke out across the United States in May of 2020.  Police Departments have been called out for “bias, racism and unnecessary use of deadly force.”  The spark that ignited this fire, the death of 46-year-old George Floyd: a black man, who died after a white police officer in Minneapolis.  The rage toward officers is palpable. Police morale is at an all time low. And, many in the community, specifically Black, indigenous and People of Color, don't trust or feel safe with police. That's not okay. Something is broken.  This podcast was started by Police Sergeant Tom Datro in an effort to hopefully find answers. In each episode, he has open, honest and at times uncomfortable conversations. To hopefully lead to better Policing in America.