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Panel: Charles Max Wood Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett Divya Sasidharan In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss the various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community!  Show Topics: 1:11 – We have decided we haven’t completed this topic 1:23 – Last time we went around the panel and see how we contribute? One of the ways I contribute to opensource is organizing events and conferences. Divya, you write some code – a little bit? 2:05 – Divya. 2:11 – Panelist: Divya, you speak at conferences, write blog posts, and code. Super top-secret project? 2:33 – Divya: I am trying to grow. Maybe I can talk about the secret project later? 2:56 – Panelist: Yes, I contribute through videos and education. I’ve tried in the past seeing issues in opensource, but I find that I am better at teaching. Charles you run a Vue Podcast? 3:29 – Chuck: Yeah, that’s what they say. I work on the podcasts, online conferences, eBooks, and online summits. Lastly, Code Badges that is on Kickstarter. 4:06 – Panelist: How we can contribute to opensource and still make a living. What is free and what we charge for? Finding a balance is important – we covered that last time. How to get into opensource in a variety of ways: How do you start speaking at conferences? How to you write code for opensource? Divya, how do they start? Do you need a public speaking degree? 5:29 – Divya: It might help. To get started with public speaking – it’s deceptively easy but then it’s not at the same time. You submit a proposal to a conference and it’s either accepted or declined. You have to learn how to CRAFT your ideas in a CFP to show the panel that this topic is RELEVANT to the conference and that you are an expert. It’s not the speaking that’s the hard part it’s the writing of the proposal. 7:00 – Panelist: You have talked about CFP – what is that? 7:09 – Divya: It’s a Call For Papers (CFP). It’s just a process of being accepted at a conference. Sometimes conferences have an open call – where they might have a Google form or some software to fill out some details. They will ask for your personal details, a short draft, the title of your talk, and a longer description (why you should be the speaker, etc.). It’s a multi-step process. Even though YOU are the right person to talk about X topic – you don’t have to be – you just have to SOUND like you know what you are talking about. Show that you’ve done your researched, and that you have some understanding. Also, that you are capable of presenting the information at the conference. That’s what I mean by being “THE BEST” person. 9:33- Charles: They aren’t looking always for the expert-level of explaining X topic. Even if it’s at the basic level that’s great. If you can deliver it well then they might pick your proposal. I have spoken at a number of conferences, and I started talking at Meetups. Most organizers are desperate for people to give talks. If you talk at these informal settings – then you get feedback from 10:47 – Divya: Yes, lightning talks are great for that, too. This way you are flushing out what you do and don’t want to talk about. 11:07 – Charles: A lot of people don’t realize that they are good speakers. The way to get better is to do it. I am a member of Toast Masters. You gain experience by talking at many different events. 12:23 – Panelist: I don’t know much about Toast Masters – what is it? 12:29 – Charles: Toast Masters, yes, they collect dues. As you sit in the meeting you have time to give feedback and get feedback. They have a “MM” master, and a grammatical master, and another specialist that they give you feedback. It’s a really constructive and friendly environment. 13:42 – I’ve been to Toast Masters and the meetings are early in the morning. 7:00 or 7:30 AM start time. Everything Chuck just said. I went to a couple and they don’t force you to talk. You can go just to see what it’s about. 14:21 – Charles makes more comments. 14:48 – Meetups is a great way to get into the community, too. What if Toast Masters sounds intimidating, and you don’t think you can speak at a Meetup just, yet. Are there more 15:18 – You can be the town crier. Stand on the soapbox and... 15:32 – There is someone sitting on a soapbox and screaming to a crowd. 15:43 – Chuck: You can do a YouTube video or a podcast, but I think getting the live feedback is super important. Toastmasters are so friendly and I’ve never been in front of a hostile crowd. You get up and they are rooting for you. It’s not as scary as you make it out to be. You aren’t going to ruin your reputation. 16:48 – Local Theater! That helps a lot, to me, because you have lines to read off of the script. You are a character and you get to do whatever you want. Also, teaching really helps. You don’t have to be a professional teacher but there are volunteer areas at a local library or your community centers and libraries. Find opportunities! 18:18 – Divya: Improvisation is good for that, too, back to Chris’ point. Improvisation you don’t have the lines, but it forces you to think on the spot. It helps you practice to think on the spot. 19:04 – Teaching is good for that, too. It makes you think on the spot. You have to respond on the fly. Life teaching is Improvisation. 19:31 – Charles: You learn the patterns that work. 19:57 – Panelist: There are some websites that can track your CFP due dates. You can apply to talk to 5-6 different conferences. You pitch the same idea to 5-6 conferences and you are bound to get picked for at least 1 of those conferences. 20:51 – Divya: There is an account that tweets the CFP due dates that are closing in 1-2 weeks. Check Twitter. 21:25 – Chuck: Take your CFP and have someone else look at it. I know a bunch of conference organizers and ask them for their feedback. 21:48 – Title and description need to be there. 22:48 – Divya: Look at past events to see what was already done in past conferences. This is to see what they are kind of looking for. Divya talks about certain conferences and their past schedules. 23:52 – Eric was saying earlier that you could send in more than 1 proposal. Another one suggests sending in 3 proposals. Someone would love to accept you, but say there is someone else you beats you by a hair. 24:31 – Divya: The CFP process is usually blind and they don’t “see” you until later. Most conferences try to do this so there is no bias. They will ask for no name, but only focusing on content. 25:28 – Sarah May has some great suggestions. Look at the show notes under LINKS. 25:57 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 26:34 – We have talked about how you submit your proposals. Maybe let’s transition into another topic, like education. Eric – do you have any tips into writing blog posts and such? 27:36 – Eric: Find a topic that you want to learn and/or you are expert on. Going out there and putting out content for something you are learning. If you get something wrong then someone will probably call you out. Like Reddit you might get more criticism then vs. your own blog. I look for topics that interest me. 28:30 – Panelist: How do you get people to see it? 28:40 – Eric: Consistency – sharing on your social media channels. Reddit, Frontend, and/or other sites. I’m doing this for myself (first), and secondary I am teaching other people. 29:23 – Getting feedback from people is great. 29:40 – Eric: It’s a process to build that audience, build quality content, and keep up with it. Facebook groups – hey I put this content out there. Another way you can do it is work with a publisher and try going to a site called PluralSite. 30:47 – Do you have to be famous, like Joe, to get onto their site? 31:09 – Chuck: The audition process I got screwed on. They ask you to record a video, fix anything in the video, and then they will tell you if they will accept your courses or not. 31:37 – People who will distribute your content, there is a screening process. Guest blog, too, will get your name out there. 32:23 – Chuck: You just have to be a level above the reader. 32:37 – Odds are that you can explain it better than someone who learned it 5 years ago. Even if it’s a basic JavaScript thing that you JUST learned, who cares put it out there. If you made X mistake then I’m sure thousands of other developers have made the same mistake. 33:17 – Twitter is a great platform, too. A short and sweet Tweet – show them your main idea and it can get 34:01 – Comments. 34:04 – I use Ghost for my blogging platform. You can start off on Wordpress and others write on Medium. 34:25 – Divya: I like to own my own content so I don’t write on Medium anymore. 34:40 – I like my content on my OWN site. That’s why I haven’t been using Medium anymore. There are more pop-ups and such, too, so that’s why I don’t like it. 35:06 – Divya: If you don’t want to start up your own site, Medium is nice. Other users pick it up, which is an easy way to spread content right away. 37:13 – Chuck: Some of them will pay you for that. 37:23 – Sarah Drasner on the Vue team is an editor of CSS tricks. Good way to get your content out there. 37:48 – Divya: Sarah will work with you. Not only do you get access to put content out there, but then you get feedback from Sarah, too! 38:19 – Remember if you are doing a guest post – make sure to put out solid examples and good content. You want to put time and effort into it, so put more 39:02 – Any more advice on educational content? 39:11 – Chuck: I am always looking for guests for the podcasts and topics. You reach out and say I would like to be a guest on such and such a show. 39:39 – I thought back in the day – oh those podcast hosts are for THOSE famous people. They must have some journalism degree, and here I AM! It apparently is not that bad. 40:19 – Chuck: When I was coding semi-professionally for 1 year and my friend Eric Berry (Teach Me To Code – website) he was looking for someone to record videos for him. I submitted a video and I just walked through how to do basic routing. Basic for Ruby on Rails users, and I said that this is my first video. I tweeted that information. Screen Flow reached out to me because I mentioned their name, and I got a license and a microphone to help me record my videos! That gave me the confidence to start podcasting. It’s scary and I’m thinking I will screw this up, I don’t have professional equipment, and look at me now! 42:46 – To be a podcast host it isn’t much. 42:55 – Chuck: I am trying to make podcasting easier. The hard part is preparing the content, get it edited, getting it posted. It’s all the other stuff. Recording and talking isn’t that bad. 43:28 – What are my steps if I want to start a new podcast? 43:39 – What microphone should I get? 43:48 - $100-$130 is the Yeti microphone. Do I need a professional microphone? People can’t tell when guests talk on their iPhone microphone or not. Especially if you already have those then you won’t be out if you don’t want to continue with podcasting. Record for free with Audacity. Have something to talk about and somewhere to post it. 45:01 – Panelist asks Chuck more questions. 45:13 – Divya. 45:29 – It’s easier if everyone is in the same room. If the sound quality is good enough then people will stay, but if the quality is poor then people will go away. I recommend Wordpress - it’s super easy. You can host on Amazon, but if you will host long-term then use Libsyn or Blubrry. Great platforms will cost you less then some others. 46:58 – iTunes? 47:04 – Podcast through iTunes you just give them a RSS feed. All you do is fill out some forms. Submit that and it will run – same for Google Play. You might want to get some artwork. In the beginning for me I got a stock image – edited it – and that was it. One I got one of my headshots and put the title on there. 48:06 – Then when people will hear this... 48:23 – Summary: microphone, content, set up WordPress, submit it to iTunes, and record frequently. Keep improving. 48:46 – Anything you are doing anything online – make sure your mantra is “this is good enough.” If you spend tons of hours trying to perfect it – you might drive yourself crazy. 49:18 – Not everyone will enjoy podcasting or YouTubing – so make sure you don’t invest a lot of money at first to see where you are. 50:06 – Educational content topic continued. Contributing to coder depositories. What’s the best way to get into that? 50:28 – Chuck: Some will say: This one is good for a newbie to tackle. You just reach out – don’t just pick it up and tackle it – I would reach out to the person first. Understand what they need and then work on it, because they might have 2 other people working on it. 51:11 – Divya: Hacktoberfest – Digital Ocean – they publish opensource projects. 52:22 – Yeah check it out because you can get a free t-shirt! 53:50 – Chuck: Doing the work that the hotshots don’t want to do. It helps everyone out, but it might not be the most glamorous job.  55:11 – Spelling mistakes – scan the code base. 55:43 – Divya: If you do small contributions that people DON’T want to do – then these contributors will see you and you will be on their radar. You start building a relationship. Eventually people will start giving you more responsibilities, etc. 56:59 – Chuck: I have seen people been contributors through Ruby on Rails. They got the gig because the core team sees your previous work is reliable and good work. 57:26 – Is there a core contributor guideline? 57:37 – Good question. If Divya likes you then you are in. 57:47 – It’s Evan who makes those decisions, but we are working on a formal guideline. 58:52 – Will they kick you out? 59:00 – Unless they were doing bad stuff that means pain for other people you won’t get kicked out. 59:33 – Representing Vue to some degree, too. The people who are representing Vue are apart of it. We are trying to get a better answer for it, so it’s complicated, but working on it. 1:00:02 – How did you get on the team? Well, I was contributing code, I was discussing ways to better x, y, and z. Evan invited me to come into the core team. Basically he did it so he wouldn’t have to keep babysitting us. 1:01:06 – Chuck. 1:01:20 – Panelist. 1:01:48 – Panelist: One of our core team members got his job because he was answering questions from the community. He is not a software developer by training, but his background is a business analyst. You don’t have to contribute a ton of code. He was a guest so check out the past episode. See show notes for links. 1:03:05 – Chuck: We need to go to picks and I think that topic would be great for Joe! 1:03:24 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! Links: Vue React Angular JavaScript DevChat TV GitHub Meetup Ghost.Org Miriam Suzanne’s Twitter Sarah Mei’s Article: What Your Conference Proposal is Missing WordPress Sarah Drasner’s Twitter CSS Tricks Netlify Sponsors: Get A Coder Job! Cache Fly Kendo UI Picks: Eric Headless CMS Dyvia Blogspot - Building a 3D iDesigner with Vue.js The Twitch Streamers Who Spend Years Broadcasting to No One Chris Cat Content Twitter Account https://www.patreon.com/akryum The Great British Baking Show Charles Embrace the Struggle SoftCover.io getacoderjob.com swag.devchat.tv

Panel: Charles Max Wood Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett Divya Sasidharan In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss the various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community!  Show Topics: 1:11 – We have decided we haven’t completed this topic 1:23 – Last time we went around the panel and see how we contribute? One of the ways I contribute to opensource is organizing events and conferences. Divya, you write some code – a little bit? 2:05 – Divya. 2:11 – Panelist: Divya, you speak at conferences, write blog posts, and code. Super top-secret project? 2:33 – Divya: I am trying to grow. Maybe I can talk about the secret project later? 2:56 – Panelist: Yes, I contribute through videos and education. I’ve tried in the past seeing issues in opensource, but I find that I am better at teaching. Charles you run a Vue Podcast? 3:29 – Chuck: Yeah, that’s what they say. I work on the podcasts, online conferences, eBooks, and online summits. Lastly, Code Badges that is on Kickstarter. 4:06 – Panelist: How we can contribute to opensource and still make a living. What is free and what we charge for? Finding a balance is important – we covered that last time. How to get into opensource in a variety of ways: How do you start speaking at conferences? How to you write code for opensource? Divya, how do they start? Do you need a public speaking degree? 5:29 – Divya: It might help. To get started with public speaking – it’s deceptively easy but then it’s not at the same time. You submit a proposal to a conference and it’s either accepted or declined. You have to learn how to CRAFT your ideas in a CFP to show the panel that this topic is RELEVANT to the conference and that you are an expert. It’s not the speaking that’s the hard part it’s the writing of the proposal. 7:00 – Panelist: You have talked about CFP – what is that? 7:09 – Divya: It’s a Call For Papers (CFP). It’s just a process of being accepted at a conference. Sometimes conferences have an open call – where they might have a Google form or some software to fill out some details. They will ask for your personal details, a short draft, the title of your talk, and a longer description (why you should be the speaker, etc.). It’s a multi-step process. Even though YOU are the right person to talk about X topic – you don’t have to be – you just have to SOUND like you know what you are talking about. Show that you’ve done your researched, and that you have some understanding. Also, that you are capable of presenting the information at the conference. That’s what I mean by being “THE BEST” person. 9:33- Charles: They aren’t looking always for the expert-level of explaining X topic. Even if it’s at the basic level that’s great. If you can deliver it well then they might pick your proposal. I have spoken at a number of conferences, and I started talking at Meetups. Most organizers are desperate for people to give talks. If you talk at these informal settings – then you get feedback from 10:47 – Divya: Yes, lightning talks are great for that, too. This way you are flushing out what you do and don’t want to talk about. 11:07 – Charles: A lot of people don’t realize that they are good speakers. The way to get better is to do it. I am a member of Toast Masters. You gain experience by talking at many different events. 12:23 – Panelist: I don’t know much about Toast Masters – what is it? 12:29 – Charles: Toast Masters, yes, they collect dues. As you sit in the meeting you have time to give feedback and get feedback. They have a “MM” master, and a grammatical master, and another specialist that they give you feedback. It’s a really constructive and friendly environment. 13:42 – I’ve been to Toast Masters and the meetings are early in the morning. 7:00 or 7:30 AM start time. Everything Chuck just said. I went to a couple and they don’t force you to talk. You can go just to see what it’s about. 14:21 – Charles makes more comments. 14:48 – Meetups is a great way to get into the community, too. What if Toast Masters sounds intimidating, and you don’t think you can speak at a Meetup just, yet. Are there more 15:18 – You can be the town crier. Stand on the soapbox and... 15:32 – There is someone sitting on a soapbox and screaming to a crowd. 15:43 – Chuck: You can do a YouTube video or a podcast, but I think getting the live feedback is super important. Toastmasters are so friendly and I’ve never been in front of a hostile crowd. You get up and they are rooting for you. It’s not as scary as you make it out to be. You aren’t going to ruin your reputation. 16:48 – Local Theater! That helps a lot, to me, because you have lines to read off of the script. You are a character and you get to do whatever you want. Also, teaching really helps. You don’t have to be a professional teacher but there are volunteer areas at a local library or your community centers and libraries. Find opportunities! 18:18 – Divya: Improvisation is good for that, too, back to Chris’ point. Improvisation you don’t have the lines, but it forces you to think on the spot. It helps you practice to think on the spot. 19:04 – Teaching is good for that, too. It makes you think on the spot. You have to respond on the fly. Life teaching is Improvisation. 19:31 – Charles: You learn the patterns that work. 19:57 – Panelist: There are some websites that can track your CFP due dates. You can apply to talk to 5-6 different conferences. You pitch the same idea to 5-6 conferences and you are bound to get picked for at least 1 of those conferences. 20:51 – Divya: There is an account that tweets the CFP due dates that are closing in 1-2 weeks. Check Twitter. 21:25 – Chuck: Take your CFP and have someone else look at it. I know a bunch of conference organizers and ask them for their feedback. 21:48 – Title and description need to be there. 22:48 – Divya: Look at past events to see what was already done in past conferences. This is to see what they are kind of looking for. Divya talks about certain conferences and their past schedules. 23:52 – Eric was saying earlier that you could send in more than 1 proposal. Another one suggests sending in 3 proposals. Someone would love to accept you, but say there is someone else you beats you by a hair. 24:31 – Divya: The CFP process is usually blind and they don’t “see” you until later. Most conferences try to do this so there is no bias. They will ask for no name, but only focusing on content. 25:28 – Sarah May has some great suggestions. Look at the show notes under LINKS. 25:57 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 26:34 – We have talked about how you submit your proposals. Maybe let’s transition into another topic, like education. Eric – do you have any tips into writing blog posts and such? 27:36 – Eric: Find a topic that you want to learn and/or you are expert on. Going out there and putting out content for something you are learning. If you get something wrong then someone will probably call you out. Like Reddit you might get more criticism then vs. your own blog. I look for topics that interest me. 28:30 – Panelist: How do you get people to see it? 28:40 – Eric: Consistency – sharing on your social media channels. Reddit, Frontend, and/or other sites. I’m doing this for myself (first), and secondary I am teaching other people. 29:23 – Getting feedback from people is great. 29:40 – Eric: It’s a process to build that audience, build quality content, and keep up with it. Facebook groups – hey I put this content out there. Another way you can do it is work with a publisher and try going to a site called PluralSite. 30:47 – Do you have to be famous, like Joe, to get onto their site? 31:09 – Chuck: The audition process I got screwed on. They ask you to record a video, fix anything in the video, and then they will tell you if they will accept your courses or not. 31:37 – People who will distribute your content, there is a screening process. Guest blog, too, will get your name out there. 32:23 – Chuck: You just have to be a level above the reader. 32:37 – Odds are that you can explain it better than someone who learned it 5 years ago. Even if it’s a basic JavaScript thing that you JUST learned, who cares put it out there. If you made X mistake then I’m sure thousands of other developers have made the same mistake. 33:17 – Twitter is a great platform, too. A short and sweet Tweet – show them your main idea and it can get 34:01 – Comments. 34:04 – I use Ghost for my blogging platform. You can start off on Wordpress and others write on Medium. 34:25 – Divya: I like to own my own content so I don’t write on Medium anymore. 34:40 – I like my content on my OWN site. That’s why I haven’t been using Medium anymore. There are more pop-ups and such, too, so that’s why I don’t like it. 35:06 – Divya: If you don’t want to start up your own site, Medium is nice. Other users pick it up, which is an easy way to spread content right away. 37:13 – Chuck: Some of them will pay you for that. 37:23 – Sarah Drasner on the Vue team is an editor of CSS tricks. Good way to get your content out there. 37:48 – Divya: Sarah will work with you. Not only do you get access to put content out there, but then you get feedback from Sarah, too! 38:19 – Remember if you are doing a guest post – make sure to put out solid examples and good content. You want to put time and effort into it, so put more 39:02 – Any more advice on educational content? 39:11 – Chuck: I am always looking for guests for the podcasts and topics. You reach out and say I would like to be a guest on such and such a show. 39:39 – I thought back in the day – oh those podcast hosts are for THOSE famous people. They must have some journalism degree, and here I AM! It apparently is not that bad. 40:19 – Chuck: When I was coding semi-professionally for 1 year and my friend Eric Berry (Teach Me To Code – website) he was looking for someone to record videos for him. I submitted a video and I just walked through how to do basic routing. Basic for Ruby on Rails users, and I said that this is my first video. I tweeted that information. Screen Flow reached out to me because I mentioned their name, and I got a license and a microphone to help me record my videos! That gave me the confidence to start podcasting. It’s scary and I’m thinking I will screw this up, I don’t have professional equipment, and look at me now! 42:46 – To be a podcast host it isn’t much. 42:55 – Chuck: I am trying to make podcasting easier. The hard part is preparing the content, get it edited, getting it posted. It’s all the other stuff. Recording and talking isn’t that bad. 43:28 – What are my steps if I want to start a new podcast? 43:39 – What microphone should I get? 43:48 - $100-$130 is the Yeti microphone. Do I need a professional microphone? People can’t tell when guests talk on their iPhone microphone or not. Especially if you already have those then you won’t be out if you don’t want to continue with podcasting. Record for free with Audacity. Have something to talk about and somewhere to post it. 45:01 – Panelist asks Chuck more questions. 45:13 – Divya. 45:29 – It’s easier if everyone is in the same room. If the sound quality is good enough then people will stay, but if the quality is poor then people will go away. I recommend Wordpress - it’s super easy. You can host on Amazon, but if you will host long-term then use Libsyn or Blubrry. Great platforms will cost you less then some others. 46:58 – iTunes? 47:04 – Podcast through iTunes you just give them a RSS feed. All you do is fill out some forms. Submit that and it will run – same for Google Play. You might want to get some artwork. In the beginning for me I got a stock image – edited it – and that was it. One I got one of my headshots and put the title on there. 48:06 – Then when people will hear this... 48:23 – Summary: microphone, content, set up WordPress, submit it to iTunes, and record frequently. Keep improving. 48:46 – Anything you are doing anything online – make sure your mantra is “this is good enough.” If you spend tons of hours trying to perfect it – you might drive yourself crazy. 49:18 – Not everyone will enjoy podcasting or YouTubing – so make sure you don’t invest a lot of money at first to see where you are. 50:06 – Educational content topic continued. Contributing to coder depositories. What’s the best way to get into that? 50:28 – Chuck: Some will say: This one is good for a newbie to tackle. You just reach out – don’t just pick it up and tackle it – I would reach out to the person first. Understand what they need and then work on it, because they might have 2 other people working on it. 51:11 – Divya: Hacktoberfest – Digital Ocean – they publish opensource projects. 52:22 – Yeah check it out because you can get a free t-shirt! 53:50 – Chuck: Doing the work that the hotshots don’t want to do. It helps everyone out, but it might not be the most glamorous job.  55:11 – Spelling mistakes – scan the code base. 55:43 – Divya: If you do small contributions that people DON’T want to do – then these contributors will see you and you will be on their radar. You start building a relationship. Eventually people will start giving you more responsibilities, etc. 56:59 – Chuck: I have seen people been contributors through Ruby on Rails. They got the gig because the core team sees your previous work is reliable and good work. 57:26 – Is there a core contributor guideline? 57:37 – Good question. If Divya likes you then you are in. 57:47 – It’s Evan who makes those decisions, but we are working on a formal guideline. 58:52 – Will they kick you out? 59:00 – Unless they were doing bad stuff that means pain for other people you won’t get kicked out. 59:33 – Representing Vue to some degree, too. The people who are representing Vue are apart of it. We are trying to get a better answer for it, so it’s complicated, but working on it. 1:00:02 – How did you get on the team? Well, I was contributing code, I was discussing ways to better x, y, and z. Evan invited me to come into the core team. Basically he did it so he wouldn’t have to keep babysitting us. 1:01:06 – Chuck. 1:01:20 – Panelist. 1:01:48 – Panelist: One of our core team members got his job because he was answering questions from the community. He is not a software developer by training, but his background is a business analyst. You don’t have to contribute a ton of code. He was a guest so check out the past episode. See show notes for links. 1:03:05 – Chuck: We need to go to picks and I think that topic would be great for Joe! 1:03:24 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Special Guest: Kate Travers In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Kate Travers who was a student/apprentice with the Flatiron School and now is on staff as a software engineer. The panel and Kate talk about adopting Elixir at the Flatiron School and Pattern Matching. Watch Kate’s talks about the topic; links to these talks can be found below. Show Topics: 1:08– Hi from Kate Travers. 1:16 – Chuck: Background? 2:20 – Kate gives her background. 2:30 – Chuck: We had another Flatiron alum from an extra show. 2:44 – Kate: Yeah – she’s great! 2:48 – Chuck: Flatiron mostly focused on Ruby and JavaScript. Has that changed or? 3:02 – Kate: For the students we are teaching the Rails focus on the backend and React on the frontend. Times might be changing. What else is out there for functional curriculum? Our lead engineer is super motivated introducing some Elixir. Our engineering team might be the first to go in that arena. It would be absolutely fantastic to 4:02 – Chuck: Awesome! I would like to see the boot camps take on Elixir. 4:15 – Kate: Yeah, there are many benefits of doing that. 4:57 – Chuck: You see some Reactive, some... It is interesting to see how it comes together and 5:16 – Kate: Yeah we see this as a support – delivery of curriculum. When you start out you are writing in a functional style. You are essentially writing TLI scripts – functional manner. Now in the curriculum we are training people to think, and to get away from that script-way, and think in terms of objects. 6:11 – Panelist: I think that is interesting. Some of the difficulty of teaching Elixir is to UNLEARN some of their past education. Start teaching people FUNCTIONAL, might help. 7:04 – Chuck: I have been starting a new project... What is going on here? Oh yeah I have to think about it. 7:20 – Kate: Yes. We have spun up – we have one core Elixir project. We have been on that for a year. We have spun up some smaller projects. On these projects this is the first time these people have used Elixir. It is interesting to see the difficulties that they are seeing for the first time. 8:09 – Chuck: I want to talk to adoption for a bit. So as your school has made this transition, where are you seeing the (first of all) where is it easy to get buy in. How did Elixir get into Flatiron? 9:06 – Kate: It is not apart of the school’s curriculum. How we started using Elixir was because our technical lead he is super loud / elegant voice for this language. Elixir might solve some of the problems that we were facing. When we adopt new tech it’s because we have thought about it heavily. We don’t adopt new technologies “just because”. The perfect opportunity came up, so this lead into why and how Flatiron started using Elixir. Kate goes into more detail. 15:24 – Chuck: Learn.io – check out outside of the school? 15:35 – Kate: Yep! There is even some interview prep; also, intro to Ruby, intro to JavaScript, and someday intro to Elixir? 16:06 – Chuck: As you brining people into this how do you transfer them to Ruby to Elixir? Do you throw them into the deep end? 16:26 – Kate: Sure! If someone is interested we will. It is something our team tries to prioritize. Kate goes into more detail. 18:43 – Kate: We didn’t expect for these book clubs to keep going. We will do a little workshop as part of book club. 19:18 – Panelist: Question to Kate. 19:25 – Kate: Yes, so everyone has a NEW lead each week. Folks of ALL different experience levels. What is different about our team is that we have tons of people who LOVE to blog. If you check-it out as they are learning Elixir they are writing posts. 20:21 – Question. 20:29 – Kate answers the question. 20:49 – Chuck. 20:55 – Kate: Steven suggested a new way to cement the things you are learning. 21:28 – Chuck: Yeah – Flatiron labs. Now that I have been playing with Elixir with pattern matching. At first it’s scary stuff. 21:49 – Kate: It is a head-trip. 22:00 – Chuck: ...wait...wait... 22:10 – Kate: Multiple binding? 22:16 – Panelist: My first introduction to outer matching was seeing a... 22:39 – Kate: Great first introduction. Not the textbook example, you will get to see the real-world situation. Yeah that is a really, really good example. 23:05 – Panelist: Pattern matching for me became a superpower! It was my first real love of the language; before concurrency, and others. Pattern matching helped with a lot of the pains that I wouldn’t have to encounter. You are poking this big object to figure it out. Then it’s easier because if the shape matches, then it matches. Mental flip – and I get it! It felt like a superpower. I liked your talk, Kate, about pattern matching. 24:41 – Kate: Yeah, totally. Pattern matching. Like learning a musical instrument like a guitar. When you start learning something like this you have these high ambitions. You are learning to be a rock star and you want to be David Bowie. But when you start you couldn’t be further away from that goal. At the beginning you are learning chords and it’s so easy to think: “I am terrible, I suck...” you quit and never keep going. To prevent this you need a hook to keep you going. You just need to learn that really sick rift. Oh yeah, NOW I can start seeing my rock star abilities; same thing for Elixir. Pattern matching was my really sick rift. 27:38 – Panelist chimes-in. You have that excitement about the new language. But they get frustrated because they are a beginner. I do think that you nailed it there. If people can latch onto something fairly quickly, then it gives them a reason to keep coming back to learn more and more. 28:25 – Kate continues this conversation. 28:48 – Panelist. 28:54 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 29:32 – Chuck: Most important / interesting thing you’ve learned about pattern matching? 29:48 – Kate: It was the different things you can do with... 30:23 – Kate: The concept is that Elixir provides... 31:42 – Chuck: I didn’t know that you could do that! 31:56 – Kate: The benefit only comes from legibility. 32:13 – Panelist: Guard clauses and pattern matching. I think it would be a mess if I weren’t use Elixir. 32:31 – Kate: Yes, definitely. 33:10 – Panelist: Yes, my first project with Elixir... 34:47 – People should go and see your talk and it’s in the links. 35:00 – Kate: Thanks! Kate talks about dodging bullets and code.  36:04 – Chuck: have you seen other languages using/trying to use Pattern matching? 36:10 – Kate: Yeah, there are talks about Ruby and JavaScript for introducing proper pattern matching in BOTH languages. Ruby is interesting. I don’t know how much traction we have on these, but people seem really into program matching. 36:36 – Panelist: Yeah, I think people come to Elixir and see pattern matching and they get excited. 36:55 – Kate: Yeah, I would be interested to see if the proposals go through or not. There is a conference on my WATCH LIST and I want to see more about it. 37:26 – Panelist: It started off as a prologue that’s what you need. 37:37 – Kate: If it wasn’t designed that way in the beginning it will be a problem. If it’s not apart of the system in the beginning then it could be a problem. 38:14 – Chuck: Yeah, the flipside is... 38:34 – Panelists: I don’t know. 38:44 – Panelist: One of my concerns is object oriented programming. I imagine (nightmare) pattern matching in Ruby and all match onto this object – after it’s there – it’s inside my function – runs another thread – comes back to me – that object is modified and now it’s there, and not be completely invalid. It’s not RUBY anymore. 39:36 – Panelist: Pattern matching could bring them over and bring them over the gap. I am worried that if this is more widespread then we will hit a much worse. 40:06 – Kate and Panel: Yep! 40:12 – Chuck: Anything else about pattern matching and/or adopting Elixir? 40:18 – Kate: I don’t want to rush into this too quickly, but if we are on the topic of bringing people to Elixir. It came up at this conference. Ruby Rails coming over – RR refugees. The question that they post: People are hyped about Elixir about Phoenix. What is going to be the thing that brings people over? 41:15 – Panelist answers Kate’s question. 41:29 – You can’t do live Vue in other languages. If you are really experienced... 42:08 – Chuck: You have to learn 2 technologies. You can adopt a frontend and backend technology and you can get SOME of that. I know a lot of people are invested in the frontend technology or the backend. I think that is how you are going to convert. 42:43: Panelist chimes-in. Panelist’s friend asks: Is it an appropriate tool? 43:30 – Kate: Our team is super excited about it. Our team has mostly been working on the backend. We need to deliver on the frontend with updates. What if we had it – out of the box with Phoenix? Yeah people are over the moon. 44:06 – Chuck talks about what he is using. What if I didn’t have to do any of that garbage? 44:23 – Panelist: It is a NICE experience when you have to do it. 44:38 – Chuck: If you need a killer feature for React or Vue – why can’t you build a frontend... 45:00 – Panelist adds in his comments/thoughts. 45:30 – Chuck: Anything else? 45:38 – Picks! Links: Flatiron School Our Courses – Flatiron School How We Built the Learn IDE in Browser – Medium Flatiron Labs Elixir – Flatiron Labs Elixir – Guards Kate Travers Kate Travers’ “Pattern Matching in Elixir” (3/14/18) Kate Travers’ Dev.to Kate Travers’ Twitter Kate Travers’ Talk on YouTube: “Pattern Matching: The Gateway to Loving Elixir – Code Elixir LDN 2018” Kate Travers’ Code Sync Ruby Elixir JavaScript Vue React Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Mark Ericksen Value Teach something to someone else. It helps you grow. Book - Leadership and Self Deception Josh Adams Ethdenver Charles SCALE Brunch Kate breakinto.tech Kusama: Infinity

Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Special Guest: Kate Travers In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Kate Travers who was a student/apprentice with the Flatiron School and now is on staff as a software engineer. The panel and Kate talk about adopting Elixir at the Flatiron School and Pattern Matching. Watch Kate’s talks about the topic; links to these talks can be found below. Show Topics: 1:08– Hi from Kate Travers. 1:16 – Chuck: Background? 2:20 – Kate gives her background. 2:30 – Chuck: We had another Flatiron alum from an extra show. 2:44 – Kate: Yeah – she’s great! 2:48 – Chuck: Flatiron mostly focused on Ruby and JavaScript. Has that changed or? 3:02 – Kate: For the students we are teaching the Rails focus on the backend and React on the frontend. Times might be changing. What else is out there for functional curriculum? Our lead engineer is super motivated introducing some Elixir. Our engineering team might be the first to go in that arena. It would be absolutely fantastic to 4:02 – Chuck: Awesome! I would like to see the boot camps take on Elixir. 4:15 – Kate: Yeah, there are many benefits of doing that. 4:57 – Chuck: You see some Reactive, some... It is interesting to see how it comes together and 5:16 – Kate: Yeah we see this as a support – delivery of curriculum. When you start out you are writing in a functional style. You are essentially writing TLI scripts – functional manner. Now in the curriculum we are training people to think, and to get away from that script-way, and think in terms of objects. 6:11 – Panelist: I think that is interesting. Some of the difficulty of teaching Elixir is to UNLEARN some of their past education. Start teaching people FUNCTIONAL, might help. 7:04 – Chuck: I have been starting a new project... What is going on here? Oh yeah I have to think about it. 7:20 – Kate: Yes. We have spun up – we have one core Elixir project. We have been on that for a year. We have spun up some smaller projects. On these projects this is the first time these people have used Elixir. It is interesting to see the difficulties that they are seeing for the first time. 8:09 – Chuck: I want to talk to adoption for a bit. So as your school has made this transition, where are you seeing the (first of all) where is it easy to get buy in. How did Elixir get into Flatiron? 9:06 – Kate: It is not apart of the school’s curriculum. How we started using Elixir was because our technical lead he is super loud / elegant voice for this language. Elixir might solve some of the problems that we were facing. When we adopt new tech it’s because we have thought about it heavily. We don’t adopt new technologies “just because”. The perfect opportunity came up, so this lead into why and how Flatiron started using Elixir. Kate goes into more detail. 15:24 – Chuck: Learn.io – check out outside of the school? 15:35 – Kate: Yep! There is even some interview prep; also, intro to Ruby, intro to JavaScript, and someday intro to Elixir? 16:06 – Chuck: As you brining people into this how do you transfer them to Ruby to Elixir? Do you throw them into the deep end? 16:26 – Kate: Sure! If someone is interested we will. It is something our team tries to prioritize. Kate goes into more detail. 18:43 – Kate: We didn’t expect for these book clubs to keep going. We will do a little workshop as part of book club. 19:18 – Panelist: Question to Kate. 19:25 – Kate: Yes, so everyone has a NEW lead each week. Folks of ALL different experience levels. What is different about our team is that we have tons of people who LOVE to blog. If you check-it out as they are learning Elixir they are writing posts. 20:21 – Question. 20:29 – Kate answers the question. 20:49 – Chuck. 20:55 – Kate: Steven suggested a new way to cement the things you are learning. 21:28 – Chuck: Yeah – Flatiron labs. Now that I have been playing with Elixir with pattern matching. At first it’s scary stuff. 21:49 – Kate: It is a head-trip. 22:00 – Chuck: ...wait...wait... 22:10 – Kate: Multiple binding? 22:16 – Panelist: My first introduction to outer matching was seeing a... 22:39 – Kate: Great first introduction. Not the textbook example, you will get to see the real-world situation. Yeah that is a really, really good example. 23:05 – Panelist: Pattern matching for me became a superpower! It was my first real love of the language; before concurrency, and others. Pattern matching helped with a lot of the pains that I wouldn’t have to encounter. You are poking this big object to figure it out. Then it’s easier because if the shape matches, then it matches. Mental flip – and I get it! It felt like a superpower. I liked your talk, Kate, about pattern matching. 24:41 – Kate: Yeah, totally. Pattern matching. Like learning a musical instrument like a guitar. When you start learning something like this you have these high ambitions. You are learning to be a rock star and you want to be David Bowie. But when you start you couldn’t be further away from that goal. At the beginning you are learning chords and it’s so easy to think: “I am terrible, I suck...” you quit and never keep going. To prevent this you need a hook to keep you going. You just need to learn that really sick rift. Oh yeah, NOW I can start seeing my rock star abilities; same thing for Elixir. Pattern matching was my really sick rift. 27:38 – Panelist chimes-in. You have that excitement about the new language. But they get frustrated because they are a beginner. I do think that you nailed it there. If people can latch onto something fairly quickly, then it gives them a reason to keep coming back to learn more and more. 28:25 – Kate continues this conversation. 28:48 – Panelist. 28:54 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 29:32 – Chuck: Most important / interesting thing you’ve learned about pattern matching? 29:48 – Kate: It was the different things you can do with... 30:23 – Kate: The concept is that Elixir provides... 31:42 – Chuck: I didn’t know that you could do that! 31:56 – Kate: The benefit only comes from legibility. 32:13 – Panelist: Guard clauses and pattern matching. I think it would be a mess if I weren’t use Elixir. 32:31 – Kate: Yes, definitely. 33:10 – Panelist: Yes, my first project with Elixir... 34:47 – People should go and see your talk and it’s in the links. 35:00 – Kate: Thanks! Kate talks about dodging bullets and code.  36:04 – Chuck: have you seen other languages using/trying to use Pattern matching? 36:10 – Kate: Yeah, there are talks about Ruby and JavaScript for introducing proper pattern matching in BOTH languages. Ruby is interesting. I don’t know how much traction we have on these, but people seem really into program matching. 36:36 – Panelist: Yeah, I think people come to Elixir and see pattern matching and they get excited. 36:55 – Kate: Yeah, I would be interested to see if the proposals go through or not. There is a conference on my WATCH LIST and I want to see more about it. 37:26 – Panelist: It started off as a prologue that’s what you need. 37:37 – Kate: If it wasn’t designed that way in the beginning it will be a problem. If it’s not apart of the system in the beginning then it could be a problem. 38:14 – Chuck: Yeah, the flipside is... 38:34 – Panelists: I don’t know. 38:44 – Panelist: One of my concerns is object oriented programming. I imagine (nightmare) pattern matching in Ruby and all match onto this object – after it’s there – it’s inside my function – runs another thread – comes back to me – that object is modified and now it’s there, and not be completely invalid. It’s not RUBY anymore. 39:36 – Panelist: Pattern matching could bring them over and bring them over the gap. I am worried that if this is more widespread then we will hit a much worse. 40:06 – Kate and Panel: Yep! 40:12 – Chuck: Anything else about pattern matching and/or adopting Elixir? 40:18 – Kate: I don’t want to rush into this too quickly, but if we are on the topic of bringing people to Elixir. It came up at this conference. Ruby Rails coming over – RR refugees. The question that they post: People are hyped about Elixir about Phoenix. What is going to be the thing that brings people over? 41:15 – Panelist answers Kate’s question. 41:29 – You can’t do live Vue in other languages. If you are really experienced... 42:08 – Chuck: You have to learn 2 technologies. You can adopt a frontend and backend technology and you can get SOME of that. I know a lot of people are invested in the frontend technology or the backend. I think that is how you are going to convert. 42:43: Panelist chimes-in. Panelist’s friend asks: Is it an appropriate tool? 43:30 – Kate: Our team is super excited about it. Our team has mostly been working on the backend. We need to deliver on the frontend with updates. What if we had it – out of the box with Phoenix? Yeah people are over the moon. 44:06 – Chuck talks about what he is using. What if I didn’t have to do any of that garbage? 44:23 – Panelist: It is a NICE experience when you have to do it. 44:38 – Chuck: If you need a killer feature for React or Vue – why can’t you build a frontend... 45:00 – Panelist adds in his comments/thoughts. 45:30 – Chuck: Anything else? 45:38 – Picks! Links: Flatiron School Our Courses – Flatiron School How We Built the Learn IDE in Browser – Medium Flatiron Labs Elixir – Flatiron Labs Elixir – Guards Kate Travers Kate Travers’ “Pattern Matching in Elixir” (3/14/18) Kate Travers’ Dev.to Kate Travers’ Twitter Kate Travers’ Talk on YouTube: “Pattern Matching: The Gateway to Loving Elixir – Code Elixir LDN 2018” Kate Travers’ Code Sync Ruby Elixir JavaScript Vue React Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Mark Ericksen Value Teach something to someone else. It helps you grow. Book - Leadership and Self Deception Josh Adams Ethdenver Charles SCALE Brunch Kate breakinto.tech Kusama: Infinity

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks amongst themselves the topic: “When to Build, or When to Buy.” They discuss how time is limited, and whether it is worth their time to build their own app/software or to just purchase. They discuss the pros and cons of each. Check-out today’s episode for more details! Show Topics: 1:40 – Chuck: Anything that prompted choosing this topic? 2:13 – Dave: I am not a huge stickler of keeping tracks of things. With a new car, I wanted to start this off right. I wanted an app to show history of car. I wanted a simple view and wanted to take pictures of receipts. I didn’t find anything out there that I liked. Do I want to write a web application? 3:29 – Dave: I am going to write this app. There is a lot of the new technology, so I can keep up-to-date with real world technologies, with the act of storage. Keeping my skills sharp. Solving a real world need that I have. 4:06 – Panelist: Funny thing. That is a decision that has evolved with me. As a younger developer I would build everything that I could. I thought: “I have to own this,” I thought I have to have total control of this. This is for me. I try to buy everything that I can. There is only so much time in the day. Let’s point the question back to Dave. Are you more in the process of creation? 5:19: Dave: It fits to my needs. I don’t need something overly complicated. I think we often find situations where there is a justifiable case to build it then to buy it. If you buy it you have little control over the features and other things. What’s important to you is not important to others. So you will have to find a company that will meet your needs. You bring up an interesting topic and that’s data. 7:29 – Chuck: You are talking about the level of control. Eric this might sound familiar with sponsorship and so on. Eric said: Dude you are a developer. There is nothing out there that I need so I have to build it. I opt to trying to buy it if I can. 8:35 – Panelist: Yes, definitely. By focusing all of my attention on an application that won’t give me an ROI. Leave that other stuff to much smarter than me in that domain. 9:24: Panelist: I agree. If it is a core part of your business than, if you are buying, that might be a disadvantage. For example... I used a service called IMPROVLY. 12:00 – Chuck: it might not give you the control that you want, but if it can get you most of the way there then it will eventually move up in priority. 12:33 – Panelist: Look at utilities that support you, then that’s where MVPs can come into play. One limited, viable product. For example, the app tracker for my cars. I just wanted something simple. Some of the extra bells and whistles can come later. Something like code fund – there is a lot of expected features. There is so much business that goes into it. When I have time to build that stuff in then I will do that later. If it is too feature-rich then they will overwhelm themselves. They try to do everything today. Often that could lead to bad code, things not working properly. You save time by doing it right the first time. I think you have to really gauge what is your MVP? What can I do to make this functional? Then add in the features within the application. 15:19 – Panelist: When you decide to build – how much influence past products to drive your development. 15:38 – I say a ton, because then you are going to be reinventing the wheel. You OWN interpretation to things is fine. There is only so many ways to build something. See what people want and what they need. 16:15 – Panelist: It tends to muddy the developing waters a bit. I like to approach things not knowing what the competitors are doing. Then you aren’t constrained by past examples. I approach it as: How would I want to approach this by an individual so I am not blurred by competitors.  18:05 – Chuck: I build a feature I need and then ask myself: How do I put this together? What I need – I know what the outcomes need to be. At the end of the day I am looking for a model to provide what I need. In both of those cases. 18:44 – Panelist: Yes, having a good knowledge of the domain is good. It is more fun to build, right? 19:37 – Is it fun to build or is it to integrate? I like integrations better. 20:13 – Chuck: I have recently been integrating ZAPIER. 21:12 – Panelist: There are some things I will stay away from. I want to keep things with the specialists. If that means I am paying for the fees to use a third-party. 21:56 – Yes, 100%. You have to ask yourself: How lazy are you with X? 23:08 – If Twitter goes down then what? Have multiple options. You need to have other ways to authenticate in that area. So that means you have to be developing in... I think that will come down to your business needs. It will help the workflow, and help you make decisions If you are pinning yourself into a corner on time and resources. I think it’s sad that that has to be said. But look at other applications out there that are pinned into corners. People didn’t think of what they would need in the future. I am not saying that my products aren’t exempt form that. 25:52 – How do you qualify a good buy? This hits my criteria for the buy. 26:06 – If it’s providing a value. Not just this month but the following month – is this going to be worth the value. Mail hosting. This is worth it to me. There is so much hassle that goes into it. Then I have to maintain it. My business is hurting because I am focused somewhere else. I want to be able to answer emails from people. Focusing on the products that I am providing. Do I need to pay someone to support 27:35 – Panelist: The speed to integration and the speed to usage. It’s all about the pain. How much pain will there be to build one? Hire the laziest person possible. I pride myself being an extra lazy developer. I can I build the best thing in the least amount of time. Time with my brother in the past has shown me this. Perhaps the type of developer we are determines the answer to that question. I like to get code out the door more than create the code. What about you guys? 28:56 – Chuck: I like building it but I LOVE shipping it. 29:07 – I like creating it. Shipping part is the “I finished it.” Getting from nothing to something. Shipping is like the celebration for me. 29:32 – Digital Ocean Advertisement.  30:10 – It’s not to say that I don’t buy things, cause I do. The amount of software that I buy outweighs the ones I build. My time is limited. I do need control over the data. We were struggling a few years ago financially. I need a thumb drive and we fought on whether or not we could buy that. Finances are intimate details. If that information was stolen, so I built my own we application in my business to hold our finance data records. We wanted complete control over that. I saw that that it was a wise investment of my time. I had insecurities about that information leaked or stolen. Now we have too many thumb drives. 32:31 – I bought a thumb drive years ago for it and paid $50-60 for that. Which is insane. 32:55- Chuck: Build vs. Buy topic has been covered very well, so far. When you are building, which features to prioritize? Building features – which one to prioritize? 33:47 – It would be less impactful to your client base. You have sponsors and signing up for the show. The listeners could be returning guests. But your sponsors are coming on ALL the time. Feature rich platform for them. You want them to enjoy using your product. I think that would be the most important. Having something for your scheduling. It doesn’t have to be feature rich. But 34:43 – Chuck: I understand the trade-offs. Anything I can do to make the system automatic then that helps. Some people want some LIVE episodes. That leads the sponsorship into the content production stuff. Beyond telling Eric, my editor, where to put the ads within the episode. 36:52 – Panelist chimes in. 37:15 – They want the testimonial. The other end to that when we started off we got sponsors because we were novel. We were a different take on Ruby. The market has changed. Things change. Then it was okay well Ruby Rogues was a great way to meet developers. You can do conferences but you reach a lot of people in one week. Some of our sponsors early on - they past their ROI. Podcast market has changed. Some of this feedback has made me rethink things. The market has changed. People want to hear the personal touch and the personal message. They want to hear how these things are being run and how to fix the bugs. Just being aware of the needs and how the needs change. It is easy to get comfortable. Then it turns out jQuery doesn’t always cut the mustard anymore. But maybe it does? If you get comfortable then you will pay for it. 39:58 – So true. Like Code Fund. Blog Post: What is Keeping Me Up At Night? 41:11 – Chuck: Even their needs have changed. That feedback is crucial. It’s not just about keeping tabs on this stuff. Why are you loosing the publisher? Are you getting the feedback that you need. I am have gotten critiques from Eric and other people. Oh ok, let me change the packing to serve their needs. Kind of roll with the punches. If you aren’t talking back to your customers then there will be issues. 42:18 – Panelist: Side topic of how do you receive feedback? Some people there is a small minority that will bash you. They won’t give you constructive feedback. They are being a mean person. Having a good attitude is going to help with the feedback to make your product better. 43:15 – Chuck: Nobody wants to have that confrontation. 43:30 – I have grown to appreciate humanity. When you are asking them about: why did you leave? I see that they’ve read it 4-5 times but they didn’t hit reply. Am I doing this? Am I not doing this? 45:11 – Getting the opinions out there can help you if you can find the positive twist to even negative comments. 45:44 – How can this feedback make me a better person, podcaster or better in general? You can find that in the nastiest feedback that you may receive.    46:29 – But on the flipside – if you decide to buy – make the feedback constructive. Honestly 46:56 – I had a similar experience. Geekbot. I just bought it and I love it. They do daily standups on Geekbot. They kept skipping days. But they asked for me to try again, I di and I am glad that I did! 48:49 – Panelist: When you are talking about building your own software and you get that feedback it’s important not to be a person pleaser. If it doesn’t help ALL then it’s something you might NOT wan to build it. I t has to be globally beneficial. Do the right thing. I 50:49 – Chuck: Anything else? 51:01 – To UNSUBSCRIBE make them fill out a long form before you leave. One more kick to the groin. 51:17 – Chuck: Subject Line: Please Piss Me Off. How can we make this more effective? 51:40 – I send them weekly stats. I solicit through that e-mail. 52:00 – I think the point is that most people who buy software are HEARD and that they are a valuable customer. Their voice does matter. You want to solve their problems in a least expensive way. 52:36 – Chuck: Making it SUPER easy for them. 53:18 – Final thought about building: if someone has to leave your application, to do the task at hand, then your app is missing some core feature(s) that your users are wanting. 54:27 – Picks! 54:32 – Advertisement for Get a Coder Job! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Zapier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Shapeoko Eric Geekbot Polymail Airbrake Charles My Ruby Story Podcasts Orlando -  FinCon or Microsoft Ignite MeetUp Park City Meetup

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks amongst themselves the topic: “When to Build, or When to Buy.” They discuss how time is limited, and whether it is worth their time to build their own app/software or to just purchase. They discuss the pros and cons of each. Check-out today’s episode for more details! Show Topics: 1:40 – Chuck: Anything that prompted choosing this topic? 2:13 – Dave: I am not a huge stickler of keeping tracks of things. With a new car, I wanted to start this off right. I wanted an app to show history of car. I wanted a simple view and wanted to take pictures of receipts. I didn’t find anything out there that I liked. Do I want to write a web application? 3:29 – Dave: I am going to write this app. There is a lot of the new technology, so I can keep up-to-date with real world technologies, with the act of storage. Keeping my skills sharp. Solving a real world need that I have. 4:06 – Panelist: Funny thing. That is a decision that has evolved with me. As a younger developer I would build everything that I could. I thought: “I have to own this,” I thought I have to have total control of this. This is for me. I try to buy everything that I can. There is only so much time in the day. Let’s point the question back to Dave. Are you more in the process of creation? 5:19: Dave: It fits to my needs. I don’t need something overly complicated. I think we often find situations where there is a justifiable case to build it then to buy it. If you buy it you have little control over the features and other things. What’s important to you is not important to others. So you will have to find a company that will meet your needs. You bring up an interesting topic and that’s data. 7:29 – Chuck: You are talking about the level of control. Eric this might sound familiar with sponsorship and so on. Eric said: Dude you are a developer. There is nothing out there that I need so I have to build it. I opt to trying to buy it if I can. 8:35 – Panelist: Yes, definitely. By focusing all of my attention on an application that won’t give me an ROI. Leave that other stuff to much smarter than me in that domain. 9:24: Panelist: I agree. If it is a core part of your business than, if you are buying, that might be a disadvantage. For example... I used a service called IMPROVLY. 12:00 – Chuck: it might not give you the control that you want, but if it can get you most of the way there then it will eventually move up in priority. 12:33 – Panelist: Look at utilities that support you, then that’s where MVPs can come into play. One limited, viable product. For example, the app tracker for my cars. I just wanted something simple. Some of the extra bells and whistles can come later. Something like code fund – there is a lot of expected features. There is so much business that goes into it. When I have time to build that stuff in then I will do that later. If it is too feature-rich then they will overwhelm themselves. They try to do everything today. Often that could lead to bad code, things not working properly. You save time by doing it right the first time. I think you have to really gauge what is your MVP? What can I do to make this functional? Then add in the features within the application. 15:19 – Panelist: When you decide to build – how much influence past products to drive your development. 15:38 – I say a ton, because then you are going to be reinventing the wheel. You OWN interpretation to things is fine. There is only so many ways to build something. See what people want and what they need. 16:15 – Panelist: It tends to muddy the developing waters a bit. I like to approach things not knowing what the competitors are doing. Then you aren’t constrained by past examples. I approach it as: How would I want to approach this by an individual so I am not blurred by competitors.  18:05 – Chuck: I build a feature I need and then ask myself: How do I put this together? What I need – I know what the outcomes need to be. At the end of the day I am looking for a model to provide what I need. In both of those cases. 18:44 – Panelist: Yes, having a good knowledge of the domain is good. It is more fun to build, right? 19:37 – Is it fun to build or is it to integrate? I like integrations better. 20:13 – Chuck: I have recently been integrating ZAPIER. 21:12 – Panelist: There are some things I will stay away from. I want to keep things with the specialists. If that means I am paying for the fees to use a third-party. 21:56 – Yes, 100%. You have to ask yourself: How lazy are you with X? 23:08 – If Twitter goes down then what? Have multiple options. You need to have other ways to authenticate in that area. So that means you have to be developing in... I think that will come down to your business needs. It will help the workflow, and help you make decisions If you are pinning yourself into a corner on time and resources. I think it’s sad that that has to be said. But look at other applications out there that are pinned into corners. People didn’t think of what they would need in the future. I am not saying that my products aren’t exempt form that. 25:52 – How do you qualify a good buy? This hits my criteria for the buy. 26:06 – If it’s providing a value. Not just this month but the following month – is this going to be worth the value. Mail hosting. This is worth it to me. There is so much hassle that goes into it. Then I have to maintain it. My business is hurting because I am focused somewhere else. I want to be able to answer emails from people. Focusing on the products that I am providing. Do I need to pay someone to support 27:35 – Panelist: The speed to integration and the speed to usage. It’s all about the pain. How much pain will there be to build one? Hire the laziest person possible. I pride myself being an extra lazy developer. I can I build the best thing in the least amount of time. Time with my brother in the past has shown me this. Perhaps the type of developer we are determines the answer to that question. I like to get code out the door more than create the code. What about you guys? 28:56 – Chuck: I like building it but I LOVE shipping it. 29:07 – I like creating it. Shipping part is the “I finished it.” Getting from nothing to something. Shipping is like the celebration for me. 29:32 – Digital Ocean Advertisement.  30:10 – It’s not to say that I don’t buy things, cause I do. The amount of software that I buy outweighs the ones I build. My time is limited. I do need control over the data. We were struggling a few years ago financially. I need a thumb drive and we fought on whether or not we could buy that. Finances are intimate details. If that information was stolen, so I built my own we application in my business to hold our finance data records. We wanted complete control over that. I saw that that it was a wise investment of my time. I had insecurities about that information leaked or stolen. Now we have too many thumb drives. 32:31 – I bought a thumb drive years ago for it and paid $50-60 for that. Which is insane. 32:55- Chuck: Build vs. Buy topic has been covered very well, so far. When you are building, which features to prioritize? Building features – which one to prioritize? 33:47 – It would be less impactful to your client base. You have sponsors and signing up for the show. The listeners could be returning guests. But your sponsors are coming on ALL the time. Feature rich platform for them. You want them to enjoy using your product. I think that would be the most important. Having something for your scheduling. It doesn’t have to be feature rich. But 34:43 – Chuck: I understand the trade-offs. Anything I can do to make the system automatic then that helps. Some people want some LIVE episodes. That leads the sponsorship into the content production stuff. Beyond telling Eric, my editor, where to put the ads within the episode. 36:52 – Panelist chimes in. 37:15 – They want the testimonial. The other end to that when we started off we got sponsors because we were novel. We were a different take on Ruby. The market has changed. Things change. Then it was okay well Ruby Rogues was a great way to meet developers. You can do conferences but you reach a lot of people in one week. Some of our sponsors early on - they past their ROI. Podcast market has changed. Some of this feedback has made me rethink things. The market has changed. People want to hear the personal touch and the personal message. They want to hear how these things are being run and how to fix the bugs. Just being aware of the needs and how the needs change. It is easy to get comfortable. Then it turns out jQuery doesn’t always cut the mustard anymore. But maybe it does? If you get comfortable then you will pay for it. 39:58 – So true. Like Code Fund. Blog Post: What is Keeping Me Up At Night? 41:11 – Chuck: Even their needs have changed. That feedback is crucial. It’s not just about keeping tabs on this stuff. Why are you loosing the publisher? Are you getting the feedback that you need. I am have gotten critiques from Eric and other people. Oh ok, let me change the packing to serve their needs. Kind of roll with the punches. If you aren’t talking back to your customers then there will be issues. 42:18 – Panelist: Side topic of how do you receive feedback? Some people there is a small minority that will bash you. They won’t give you constructive feedback. They are being a mean person. Having a good attitude is going to help with the feedback to make your product better. 43:15 – Chuck: Nobody wants to have that confrontation. 43:30 – I have grown to appreciate humanity. When you are asking them about: why did you leave? I see that they’ve read it 4-5 times but they didn’t hit reply. Am I doing this? Am I not doing this? 45:11 – Getting the opinions out there can help you if you can find the positive twist to even negative comments. 45:44 – How can this feedback make me a better person, podcaster or better in general? You can find that in the nastiest feedback that you may receive.    46:29 – But on the flipside – if you decide to buy – make the feedback constructive. Honestly 46:56 – I had a similar experience. Geekbot. I just bought it and I love it. They do daily standups on Geekbot. They kept skipping days. But they asked for me to try again, I di and I am glad that I did! 48:49 – Panelist: When you are talking about building your own software and you get that feedback it’s important not to be a person pleaser. If it doesn’t help ALL then it’s something you might NOT wan to build it. I t has to be globally beneficial. Do the right thing. I 50:49 – Chuck: Anything else? 51:01 – To UNSUBSCRIBE make them fill out a long form before you leave. One more kick to the groin. 51:17 – Chuck: Subject Line: Please Piss Me Off. How can we make this more effective? 51:40 – I send them weekly stats. I solicit through that e-mail. 52:00 – I think the point is that most people who buy software are HEARD and that they are a valuable customer. Their voice does matter. You want to solve their problems in a least expensive way. 52:36 – Chuck: Making it SUPER easy for them. 53:18 – Final thought about building: if someone has to leave your application, to do the task at hand, then your app is missing some core feature(s) that your users are wanting. 54:27 – Picks! 54:32 – Advertisement for Get a Coder Job! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Zapier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Shapeoko Eric Geekbot Polymail Airbrake Charles My Ruby Story Podcasts Orlando -  FinCon or Microsoft Ignite MeetUp Park City Meetup

Panel: Charles Max Wood Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Special Guests: Peter Mbanugo In this episode, the panel talks with guest speaker, Peter Mbanugo. Peter is a computer software specialist who works with Field Intelligence and writes technical articles for Progress Software and a few others. He studied at SMC University and currently resides in Nigeria. They talk about his creation, Hamoni Sync, and article, Real-time editable data grid in React. Also, other topics such as Offline-First, Speed Curve, Kendo UI are talked about, too. Check out today’s episode Show Topics: 1:30 – Chuck: Let’s talk about what you built and how it works. Topic: Real-time editable data grid in React. 1:40 – Peter: Real time editing. It allows you to edit and have the data go across the different devices. Synchronizing your applications. For the  2:47 – I saw that you built also the... 2:58 – Peter: Yes, I built that with Real-time. Most of the time I have to figure out how to build something to go across the channel, such as the message. Then I built the chats. Next month 4:33 – Justin: It says that it can go offline. That is challenging. How are you going about that? 4:51 – Peter answers the question. Peter: When you loose connections and when the network comes back on then it will try to publish anything to the server while offline. If you are trying to initialize the... 5:42 – Awesome. 5:45 – Peter continues his thoughts. 5:56 – Lucas: This is really interesting. Form something really simple to tackle this problem. I have gotten into so many problems. Congratulations on at least having the courage to try such a system. 6:35 – Justin: When you have someone interacting with one of these applications, lose connectivity, is the service handling this behind the scenes? 6:56 – Peter: Yes.  Peter goes into detail. 7:19 – Justin: Neat. That would be interesting to dig more into that. 7:35 – Lucas: I had a friend who sent me links and I was like WHOAH. It’s not an easy task. 7:57 – Peter: Yes, offline – I am learning each and everyday. There are different ways to go about it. Then I go write something about conflict free of different types. I thought that was the way to go. I didn’t want it to be something of the declines. 8:50 – Lucas: How did React work for you? 9:24 – Peter answers the question. 9:58 – Panelist: I was trying to synchronize the system. There are 2 types: Operational Transformations and CRDTs. It’s a really hard problem. 10:35 – Lucas: Now we have multiple devices and they can be far away from each other. Updates to send to the same server. I think that this is really complicated world. Even consider new techniques that we use in RI. You have a long in process. You need to react to them. Maybe dates that you cannot get. Hard problem we are solving now. 11:56 –Justin: Even interacting with applications that ... it has made our products that aren’t approachable if someone doesn’t have a good Internet connection. Synchronizing connections while offline. So you can have offline support. These are problems that we can resolve hopefully. 13:01 – Lucas: It affects everyone. Back in Brazil we had problems with connections, because it’s connections. Now I live in NY but the subway my connection is hurt. 13:40 – Peter: Yes, I agree. Peter talks about his connections being an issue while living in Africa. 14:52 – Justin: How does that affect your development workflow? 15:08 – Peter answers the question. 17:23 – Justin: Shout-out to the Chrome team. Tool called LIGHTHOUSE. It can test for accessibility, SEOs and etc. Good same defaults and trying to test Mobile First. When I was learning about performance I wasn’t thinking about the types of devices that people would use. The edits tab really helps think about those things. 18:41 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement 19:18 – Justin: Any tools to help test your download speeds or anything authentication tools? 19:36 – Peter answers this question. 20:15 – Panelist asks the same question to Lucas. 20:22 – Lucas: interesting question. Even though the website was doing pretty well we were in the dark. We did a huge migration and it wasn’t clear about the performance. So my first mission here was start using a tool called SPEED CURVE. It only gets better. For a company who needs to acquire a tool SPEED CURVE is great. They have the LIGHTHOUSE measurements in their dashboards. So it can follow through time your scores and all of your analysis. These are the tools we use today. They have both synthetic and real user monitoring. So when we are measuring things on our Chrome it is a picture of your machine (biased picture) they make it both synthetic and film your page and compare through time. Analyze your assets. Some code on your application and collects statistics for each user. Relic I have used before, too. I do believe those tools are of great help. I am sure there are opensource initiatives, but I haven’t played 22:56 – Peter: Have you tried...? 23:07 – Lucas continues. LIGHTHOUSE. 23:56 – Justin: It gives great visualizations for people to see. SPEED CURVE. Where we are at – so they can see that – it’s powerful. 24:40 – Lucas: Interesting story we used SPEED CURVE. Real users and synthetic measurements; our website was getting slower and slower. We couldn’t figure it out. What is happening to our application? It turned out that the app more people were using it on the mobile. The real user speed was going up because they were using mobile. The share of mobile users and performance was getting better. You look at the overall average it was getting slower. Interesting lesson on how to look at data, interpret data and insights. It was really interesting. 26:21 – Peter. 26:25 – Lucas continues the previous conversation from 24:40. 27:00 – Justin: Taking the conversation back. It’s always a challenging problem because the implications are hard to use. What was your experience with React Table? What are the pros and cons? 27:40 – Peter: React Table is quite light. It is pretty good on data. I haven’t had much of a problem. It is okay to use. The other ones I haven’t tried them, yet. 28:08 – Justin: Same question to Charles and to Lucas. 28:21 – Lucas: I have never worked with big tables to render the massive data or tables that need to be edits and stuff like that. I don’t have experience with those components. Play here and there. It is interesting, because it is one of those components that are fighting the platform and it’s a good source of interesting solutions. 29:05 – Chuck: Kendo UI has one. I need something that his more barebones. AG Grid. 30:03 – Justin: React Windows. It optimizes long lists. It just renders what is in the current window. 30:22 – Ryan Vaughn. 30:28 – Justin: Cool library. 30:36 – Lucas: Use it as a learning tool. How do you all decide when to actually start using a library? As early as you can? Libraries to solve our problems? 31:19 – Peter: It depends on what I am doing. 31:53 – Fascinating question. Not one size fits all. It’s a balance between product deliverable needs and... There can be risks involved. Fine balance. I find myself doing a lot is I will default using a library first. Library that isn’t too large but what I need for that project. If there is a hairy feature I will use the library until my needs are met.  33:49 – Lucas adds his comments. Lucas: You want to differentiate yourself. I love GitHub. 35:36 – Question to Charles: I know you have tons of stuff going on. What’s your thought process? 35:53 – Chuck: If I can find stuff on the shelf I will pay for it. My time adds up much more quickly then what the dollars do. I will pay for something off the shelf. I only mess around for a while but if I can’t find something to help me then I will go and build something of my own. I got close with Zapier, but I got to the point that I wanted to put something together that I built my own thing through Ruby on Rails. Generally I will pay for it. 37:07 – Panelist: Yes, I don’t think we all don’t value our time and how expensive time is. 37:25 – Chuck: I own the business. My time is of value – it’s more important to me. It’s a trap that people fall into not to value their time. 38:11 – Lucas: We are not all working on what we SHOULD be working on. This isn’t going to bring business Productive time that we are using with stuff that is not our business or our main focus. Focus on the core product. Try to get the customers to have a better life. The mission of the company. The web community that started that most is the Ruby community. Having solutions and focusing on the problem. I think that JavaScript is now doing a better job of this. As we know it’s easy to fall into this trap and play with building blocks. 39:52 – Chuck: I have had a few people remind me that I am a DEVELOPER! 40:19 – Justin: The thing I have estimating is the difficulty of something. I can build it because I am a developer. Is it valuable for me? 41:10 – Lucas: The sunken costs sink in – I have done all this work and now look where I am at? 41:33 – Chuck: Anything else? 41:43 – Peter: Check out me through Twitter and the Dev blog. Message me anytime. 42:13 – Chuck: Picks! 42:18 – Advertisement. 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Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett John Papa Special Guest: No Guest(s) In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss their various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community!  Show Topics: 1:31 – Erik: Contributing to opensource – and being a good resource for the community. Contributing and still making a living. If people want to make this more sustainable and doing work for the community. 2:26 – Chuck: What do you been by “contributing” – because people could think that “code contributions” would be it. 2:50 – Erik: Answering people’s questions in a chat, code contributions, or doing a podcast or doing a blog posts. I think there are a lot of ways to contribute. Really anything to make their lives and work easier. 3:33 – Panelist: Can we go around and ask the panel individually what THEY do? It could be as simple as mentoring someone at your work. I’m curious to see what the panelist members have done. Sometimes you can get paid for those contributions. 4:40 – Panelist: I am super scared to contribute source code. I really love organizing things: Meetups, conferences, etc. That’s my favorite sort of work. It is also terrifying, though, too. Educational content and organizing conferences are my favorite ways to contribute. 6:10 – Panelist: Why is that attractive for you? 6:22 – Panelist: That’s a good question. I’ve already started planning for the 2022 conference. It’s very physical – there are people that are present. Very direct interaction. My second favorite is sometimes I will teach at local boot camp, and the topic is about interviewing. There is interaction there, too. 8:32 – Panelist: Why do you think organizing conferences is useful? 8:46 – Panelist: Top way is that I will hear stories after the fact. “Oh I came to the conference, met this person, and now I have a new job that pays 30% more...thank you!” Stories like that are rewarding. It’s a ripple effect. A conference the main thing you are putting out there are videos (main product) going to YouTube. The people that are there, at the conference, are interacting people and they are making friends and making contacts. It inspires them to do better. John Papa just goes out there to talk into the hallway. You can talk to Chris Fritz in the hall. Make yourself available. You are the celebrities and people want to meet you. 12:20 – Panel talks about how desperate they are to talk to Chris. 12:36 – Panelist: Going to conferences and meeting other people. 13:08 – Panelist: Taking part of conferences in other ways. That’s something that you do Divya Sasidharan? 13:33 – Divya: It depends on your personality. You get to speak as a speaker, because you get visibility fast. I don’t think you don’t have to speak if you don’t want to speak. Anything within your community that is beneficial. Or the one-to-one interactions are great. Having a conversation with another person that cannot respond. It’s nice to give a speech because it’s a one-way conversation. I like the preparation part of it. The delivery is the nerves, afterwards is a high because it’s over with. I really like writing demos. For the demos I put in a lot of time into it. It gives me the space and time constraint to work on those demos. 16:10 – Do you like the preparation or the delivery? 16:20 – Preparation part that I do not like as much because it is nerve-wrecking, and then the anticipation to go up there on stage. 16:55 – Panelist: I am nervous until when it starts. Once I start talking – well that’s it! Can’t go back now. 17:26 – John: I have given a few talks at a conference. 17:39 – Panelist: Doing good and contributing. I knew John Papa when he was in Microsoft in 2000/2001. I read about it. Everyone knew about him. It would be so GREAT to meet John Papa, and now we are friends! We get to talk about personal stuff and I learn from him. 18:42 – Chris: I have had moments like that, too. Act like they are a normal person. 19:01 – Chuck: After I walk off the stage people want to talk to me afterwards. 19:24 – John: For my personal style, I learn about talking at conferences. I spend a lot of times building a demo. I don’t spend a lot of times with decks. I work on the code, the talk separately. I whip that up quickly, so I don’t This is the story I am going to tell – that’s what I tell myself before I do a talk at a conference. Afterwards, people come up to you years later – and they give you these awesome feedback comments. It’s a huge reward and very fulfilling. There was someone in this world you were able to impact. That’s why I like teaching. I watch the sessions on YouTube. I want to have deep conversations with people. You are missing out if you aren’t talking to people at the conference. 23:26 – Panelist: Yeah, I agree. I do a lot of YouTube videos. I write a blog for a few years on Node and such. Then I got into videos, and helping new developers. Videos on Vue.js. Like you, Joe, I try to combine the two. If I can help myself, and OTHERS, that is great. I promote my own courses, my own affiliate links. It’s really fun talking in front of a video camera. Talking through something complex and making it simple. 24:52 – Panelist: Creating videos vs. speaking at a conference. 25:02 – Panelist: My bucket list is to do my conferences. I want to start putting out proposals. Easiest thing for me is to make videos. I used to do 20 takes before I was happy, but now I do one take and that’s it. 256:00 – Sounds like lower effort. You don’t have to ask anyone for permission to do a YouTube video. 26:21 – Panelist: Even if you are a beginner, then you can probably help others, too. At first, you feel like you are talking to yourself. If anything else, you are learning and you are getting experience. The ruby ducky programming. Talking to something that cannot respond to you. 27:11 – Like when I write a... 27:29 – Check out duck punching, and Paul Irish. 28:00 – Digital Ocean 28:42 – The creativity of doing YouTube videos. Is that rewarding to be creative or the organization? What part do you like in the creation process? 29:23 – I think a blog you have text you can be funny you can make the text interesting. With videos it’s a whole new world of teaching. YouTubers teaching certain concepts.  There are other people that have awesome animations. If I wanted to talk about a topic and do something simple or talk outside – there are a ton of different ways 31:10 – Panelist: Some times I just want to go off and be creative; hats-off to you. 31:28 – Panelist: I have tried to do a course with time stamps and certain 32:00 – D: Do you have a process of how you want to create your videos – what is your process? 32:22 – Panelist: I have a list of topics that I want to talk about. Then when I record it then I have a cheat sheet and I just go. Other people do other things, though. Like sketches and story boarding. 33:16 – D: Fun, fun, function. He has poster boards that he holds up and stuff. 33:36 – Panelist: People who listen to this podcast might be interested in podcasting? 33:54 – Panelist: Anyone who runs a podcast, Chuck? 34:16 – Chuck: When I started podcasting – I initially had to edit and publish – but now I pay someone to do it. It is a lot more work than it is. All you have to do is record and have a decent microphone, and put it out there. 35:18 – Panelist: It’s a labor of love. You almost lost your house because at first it wasn’t profitable. 35:45 – Chuck: Yeah for the most part we have it figured it out. Even then, we have 12 shows on the network on DevChat TV. 3 more I want to start and I want to put those on YouTube. Some people want to be on a new show with me. We will see. 36:37 – Chuck: I have a lot of people who asked about Python. We all come together and talk about what we are doing and seeing. It’s the water cooler discussion that people can hear for themselves. The conversation that you wish you could have to talk to experts. 38:03 – Podcasts provide that if you cannot get that at a conference? 38:16 – Conference talks are a little bit more prepared. We can go deeper in a podcast interview, because we can bring them back. You can get as involved as you want. It’s also 38:53 – Chuck: Podcasting is good if there is good content and it’s regular. 39:09 – Panelist: What is GOOD content? 39:20 – Chuck: There are different things people want. Generally they want something like: Staying Current Staying on the Edge When you go into the content it’s the host(s). I identify the way this host says THIS a certain way or that person says something THAT Way. That is all community connection. We do give people an introduction to topics that they might not hear anywhere else. With a Podcast if something new comes up we can interview someone THIS week and publish next week. Always staying current. 41:36 – Chuck: A lot of things go into it and community connection and staying current. 41:52 – Panelist: How to get started in EACH of the things we talked about. How do we try to get paid for some of these things? So we can provide value to communities. Talking about money sometimes is taboo. 43:36 – Panelist: Those are full topics all in by themselves. 43:55 – Chuck: Sustainability – let’s talk about that. I think we can enter into that 44:15 – Panelist: How do you decide what’s for free and what you are charging? How do you decide? 44:55 – Joe: I think one thing to start off is the best way to operate – do it because you feel like it needs to be done. The money follows. The minute you start solving people’s problems, money will follow. It’s good to think about the money, but don’t be obsessed. React conference. The react team didn’t want to do the conference, but it’s got to happen. The money happened afterwards. The money follows. Look for opportunities. Think ahead and be the responsible one. 47:28 – Panelist: If you want to setup a Meetup then go to... 47:45 – Panelist: I bet if you went to a Meet up and said you want to help – they would love that. 47:59 – Panelist: Yes, do something that is valuable. But events you will have a budget. Is it important to have money afterwards or try to break even? 48:38 – Joe: I think having money after the conference is just fine. The #1 thing is that if you are passionate about the project then you will make decisions to get that project out there. I can’t spend 500+ hours on something that it won’t help me pay my mortgage. 51:29 – Panelist: It’s not greedy to want money. 51:46 – Panelist: It’s a very thankless job. Many people don’t know how much effort goes into a conference. It’s a pain. People like Joe will put in 90 hours a week to pull off a conference. It’s a very, very difficult job. 53:42 – Panelist: Question to Divya. 54:00 – Divya: I have only been speaking for about a year now. For me, I feel this need to speak at different events to get my name out there. You wan the visibility, access to community and other benefits. These things trump the speaker’s fee. As I get more experience then I will look for a speaker’s fee. This fee is a baseline to make sure that you are given value for your time and effort. Most conferences do pay for your hotel and transportation. 56:58 – Panelist: How much is worth it to me to go and speak? Even if at the lower level; but someone who is a luminary in the field (John Papa). But for me it’s worth it. I am willing to spend my own dime. 58:14 – Panelist: John? 58:37 – John: You learn the most when you listen. I am impressed on your perspectives. Yes, early on you’ve got to get your brand out there. It’s an honor to speak then I’m honored. Do I have time? Will my family be okay if I am gone 3-4 days? Is this something that will have an impact in some way? Will I make connections? Will I be able to help the community? There is nothing wrong with saying I need to be paid X for that speech. It’s all of the blood, sweat, and tears that go into it. 1:01:30 – Panelist chimes in. I run conferences we cannot even cover their travel costs. Other conferences we can cover their travel costs; and everything in-between. There is nothing wrong with that. 1:02:11 – You have to be financially sound. Many of us do workshops, too. 1:02:59 – How do you get paid for podcasting? 1:03:11 – Chuck: I do get crap for having ads in the podcast. Nobody knows how much editing goes into one episode. It takes money for hosting, and finding guests, and it costs through Zoom. The amount of time it takes to produce these 12 shows is time-consuming. If you want to get something sponsored. Go approach companies and see. Once you get larger 5-10,000 listeners then that’s when you can pay your car payment. It’s a labor of love at first. The moral is that you WANT to do what you are doing. 1:06:11 – Advertisement. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Special Guests: Peter Mbanugo In this episode, the panel talks with guest speaker, Peter Mbanugo. Peter is a computer software specialist who works with Field Intelligence and writes technical articles for Progress Software and a few others. He studied at SMC University and currently resides in Nigeria. They talk about his creation, Hamoni Sync, and article, Real-time editable data grid in React. Also, other topics such as Offline-First, Speed Curve, Kendo UI are talked about, too. Check out today’s episode Show Topics: 1:30 – Chuck: Let’s talk about what you built and how it works. Topic: Real-time editable data grid in React. 1:40 – Peter: Real time editing. It allows you to edit and have the data go across the different devices. Synchronizing your applications. For the  2:47 – I saw that you built also the... 2:58 – Peter: Yes, I built that with Real-time. Most of the time I have to figure out how to build something to go across the channel, such as the message. Then I built the chats. Next month 4:33 – Justin: It says that it can go offline. That is challenging. How are you going about that? 4:51 – Peter answers the question. Peter: When you loose connections and when the network comes back on then it will try to publish anything to the server while offline. If you are trying to initialize the... 5:42 – Awesome. 5:45 – Peter continues his thoughts. 5:56 – Lucas: This is really interesting. Form something really simple to tackle this problem. I have gotten into so many problems. Congratulations on at least having the courage to try such a system. 6:35 – Justin: When you have someone interacting with one of these applications, lose connectivity, is the service handling this behind the scenes? 6:56 – Peter: Yes.  Peter goes into detail. 7:19 – Justin: Neat. That would be interesting to dig more into that. 7:35 – Lucas: I had a friend who sent me links and I was like WHOAH. It’s not an easy task. 7:57 – Peter: Yes, offline – I am learning each and everyday. There are different ways to go about it. Then I go write something about conflict free of different types. I thought that was the way to go. I didn’t want it to be something of the declines. 8:50 – Lucas: How did React work for you? 9:24 – Peter answers the question. 9:58 – Panelist: I was trying to synchronize the system. There are 2 types: Operational Transformations and CRDTs. It’s a really hard problem. 10:35 – Lucas: Now we have multiple devices and they can be far away from each other. Updates to send to the same server. I think that this is really complicated world. Even consider new techniques that we use in RI. You have a long in process. You need to react to them. Maybe dates that you cannot get. Hard problem we are solving now. 11:56 –Justin: Even interacting with applications that ... it has made our products that aren’t approachable if someone doesn’t have a good Internet connection. Synchronizing connections while offline. So you can have offline support. These are problems that we can resolve hopefully. 13:01 – Lucas: It affects everyone. Back in Brazil we had problems with connections, because it’s connections. Now I live in NY but the subway my connection is hurt. 13:40 – Peter: Yes, I agree. Peter talks about his connections being an issue while living in Africa. 14:52 – Justin: How does that affect your development workflow? 15:08 – Peter answers the question. 17:23 – Justin: Shout-out to the Chrome team. Tool called LIGHTHOUSE. It can test for accessibility, SEOs and etc. Good same defaults and trying to test Mobile First. When I was learning about performance I wasn’t thinking about the types of devices that people would use. The edits tab really helps think about those things. 18:41 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement 19:18 – Justin: Any tools to help test your download speeds or anything authentication tools? 19:36 – Peter answers this question. 20:15 – Panelist asks the same question to Lucas. 20:22 – Lucas: interesting question. Even though the website was doing pretty well we were in the dark. We did a huge migration and it wasn’t clear about the performance. So my first mission here was start using a tool called SPEED CURVE. It only gets better. For a company who needs to acquire a tool SPEED CURVE is great. They have the LIGHTHOUSE measurements in their dashboards. So it can follow through time your scores and all of your analysis. These are the tools we use today. They have both synthetic and real user monitoring. So when we are measuring things on our Chrome it is a picture of your machine (biased picture) they make it both synthetic and film your page and compare through time. Analyze your assets. Some code on your application and collects statistics for each user. Relic I have used before, too. I do believe those tools are of great help. I am sure there are opensource initiatives, but I haven’t played 22:56 – Peter: Have you tried...? 23:07 – Lucas continues. LIGHTHOUSE. 23:56 – Justin: It gives great visualizations for people to see. SPEED CURVE. Where we are at – so they can see that – it’s powerful. 24:40 – Lucas: Interesting story we used SPEED CURVE. Real users and synthetic measurements; our website was getting slower and slower. We couldn’t figure it out. What is happening to our application? It turned out that the app more people were using it on the mobile. The real user speed was going up because they were using mobile. The share of mobile users and performance was getting better. You look at the overall average it was getting slower. Interesting lesson on how to look at data, interpret data and insights. It was really interesting. 26:21 – Peter. 26:25 – Lucas continues the previous conversation from 24:40. 27:00 – Justin: Taking the conversation back. It’s always a challenging problem because the implications are hard to use. What was your experience with React Table? What are the pros and cons? 27:40 – Peter: React Table is quite light. It is pretty good on data. I haven’t had much of a problem. It is okay to use. The other ones I haven’t tried them, yet. 28:08 – Justin: Same question to Charles and to Lucas. 28:21 – Lucas: I have never worked with big tables to render the massive data or tables that need to be edits and stuff like that. I don’t have experience with those components. Play here and there. It is interesting, because it is one of those components that are fighting the platform and it’s a good source of interesting solutions. 29:05 – Chuck: Kendo UI has one. I need something that his more barebones. AG Grid. 30:03 – Justin: React Windows. It optimizes long lists. It just renders what is in the current window. 30:22 – Ryan Vaughn. 30:28 – Justin: Cool library. 30:36 – Lucas: Use it as a learning tool. How do you all decide when to actually start using a library? As early as you can? Libraries to solve our problems? 31:19 – Peter: It depends on what I am doing. 31:53 – Fascinating question. Not one size fits all. It’s a balance between product deliverable needs and... There can be risks involved. Fine balance. I find myself doing a lot is I will default using a library first. Library that isn’t too large but what I need for that project. If there is a hairy feature I will use the library until my needs are met.  33:49 – Lucas adds his comments. Lucas: You want to differentiate yourself. I love GitHub. 35:36 – Question to Charles: I know you have tons of stuff going on. What’s your thought process? 35:53 – Chuck: If I can find stuff on the shelf I will pay for it. My time adds up much more quickly then what the dollars do. I will pay for something off the shelf. I only mess around for a while but if I can’t find something to help me then I will go and build something of my own. I got close with Zapier, but I got to the point that I wanted to put something together that I built my own thing through Ruby on Rails. Generally I will pay for it. 37:07 – Panelist: Yes, I don’t think we all don’t value our time and how expensive time is. 37:25 – Chuck: I own the business. My time is of value – it’s more important to me. It’s a trap that people fall into not to value their time. 38:11 – Lucas: We are not all working on what we SHOULD be working on. This isn’t going to bring business Productive time that we are using with stuff that is not our business or our main focus. Focus on the core product. Try to get the customers to have a better life. The mission of the company. The web community that started that most is the Ruby community. Having solutions and focusing on the problem. I think that JavaScript is now doing a better job of this. As we know it’s easy to fall into this trap and play with building blocks. 39:52 – Chuck: I have had a few people remind me that I am a DEVELOPER! 40:19 – Justin: The thing I have estimating is the difficulty of something. I can build it because I am a developer. Is it valuable for me? 41:10 – Lucas: The sunken costs sink in – I have done all this work and now look where I am at? 41:33 – Chuck: Anything else? 41:43 – Peter: Check out me through Twitter and the Dev blog. Message me anytime. 42:13 – Chuck: Picks! 42:18 – Advertisement. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks amongst themselves the topic: “When to Build, or When to Buy.” They discuss how time is limited, and whether it is worth their time to build their own app/software or to just purchase. They discuss the pros and cons of each. Check-out today’s episode for more details! Show Topics: 1:40 – Chuck: Anything that prompted choosing this topic? 2:13 – Dave: I am not a huge stickler of keeping tracks of things. With a new car, I wanted to start this off right. I wanted an app to show history of car. I wanted a simple view and wanted to take pictures of receipts. I didn’t find anything out there that I liked. Do I want to write a web application? 3:29 – Dave: I am going to write this app. There is a lot of the new technology, so I can keep up-to-date with real world technologies, with the act of storage. Keeping my skills sharp. Solving a real world need that I have. 4:06 – Panelist: Funny thing. That is a decision that has evolved with me. As a younger developer I would build everything that I could. I thought: “I have to own this,” I thought I have to have total control of this. This is for me. I try to buy everything that I can. There is only so much time in the day. Let’s point the question back to Dave. Are you more in the process of creation? 5:19: Dave: It fits to my needs. I don’t need something overly complicated. I think we often find situations where there is a justifiable case to build it then to buy it. If you buy it you have little control over the features and other things. What’s important to you is not important to others. So you will have to find a company that will meet your needs. You bring up an interesting topic and that’s data. 7:29 – Chuck: You are talking about the level of control. Eric this might sound familiar with sponsorship and so on. Eric said: Dude you are a developer. There is nothing out there that I need so I have to build it. I opt to trying to buy it if I can. 8:35 – Panelist: Yes, definitely. By focusing all of my attention on an application that won’t give me an ROI. Leave that other stuff to much smarter than me in that domain. 9:24: Panelist: I agree. If it is a core part of your business than, if you are buying, that might be a disadvantage. For example... I used a service called IMPROVLY. 12:00 – Chuck: it might not give you the control that you want, but if it can get you most of the way there then it will eventually move up in priority. 12:33 – Panelist: Look at utilities that support you, then that’s where MVPs can come into play. One limited, viable product. For example, the app tracker for my cars. I just wanted something simple. Some of the extra bells and whistles can come later. Something like code fund – there is a lot of expected features. There is so much business that goes into it. When I have time to build that stuff in then I will do that later. If it is too feature-rich then they will overwhelm themselves. They try to do everything today. Often that could lead to bad code, things not working properly. You save time by doing it right the first time. I think you have to really gauge what is your MVP? What can I do to make this functional? Then add in the features within the application. 15:19 – Panelist: When you decide to build – how much influence past products to drive your development. 15:38 – I say a ton, because then you are going to be reinventing the wheel. You OWN interpretation to things is fine. There is only so many ways to build something. See what people want and what they need. 16:15 – Panelist: It tends to muddy the developing waters a bit. I like to approach things not knowing what the competitors are doing. Then you aren’t constrained by past examples. I approach it as: How would I want to approach this by an individual so I am not blurred by competitors.  18:05 – Chuck: I build a feature I need and then ask myself: How do I put this together? What I need – I know what the outcomes need to be. At the end of the day I am looking for a model to provide what I need. In both of those cases. 18:44 – Panelist: Yes, having a good knowledge of the domain is good. It is more fun to build, right? 19:37 – Is it fun to build or is it to integrate? I like integrations better. 20:13 – Chuck: I have recently been integrating ZAPIER. 21:12 – Panelist: There are some things I will stay away from. I want to keep things with the specialists. If that means I am paying for the fees to use a third-party. 21:56 – Yes, 100%. You have to ask yourself: How lazy are you with X? 23:08 – If Twitter goes down then what? Have multiple options. You need to have other ways to authenticate in that area. So that means you have to be developing in... I think that will come down to your business needs. It will help the workflow, and help you make decisions If you are pinning yourself into a corner on time and resources. I think it’s sad that that has to be said. But look at other applications out there that are pinned into corners. People didn’t think of what they would need in the future. I am not saying that my products aren’t exempt form that. 25:52 – How do you qualify a good buy? This hits my criteria for the buy. 26:06 – If it’s providing a value. Not just this month but the following month – is this going to be worth the value. Mail hosting. This is worth it to me. There is so much hassle that goes into it. Then I have to maintain it. My business is hurting because I am focused somewhere else. I want to be able to answer emails from people. Focusing on the products that I am providing. Do I need to pay someone to support 27:35 – Panelist: The speed to integration and the speed to usage. It’s all about the pain. How much pain will there be to build one? Hire the laziest person possible. I pride myself being an extra lazy developer. I can I build the best thing in the least amount of time. Time with my brother in the past has shown me this. Perhaps the type of developer we are determines the answer to that question. I like to get code out the door more than create the code. What about you guys? 28:56 – Chuck: I like building it but I LOVE shipping it. 29:07 – I like creating it. Shipping part is the “I finished it.” Getting from nothing to something. Shipping is like the celebration for me. 29:32 – Digital Ocean Advertisement.  30:10 – It’s not to say that I don’t buy things, cause I do. The amount of software that I buy outweighs the ones I build. My time is limited. I do need control over the data. We were struggling a few years ago financially. I need a thumb drive and we fought on whether or not we could buy that. Finances are intimate details. If that information was stolen, so I built my own we application in my business to hold our finance data records. We wanted complete control over that. I saw that that it was a wise investment of my time. I had insecurities about that information leaked or stolen. Now we have too many thumb drives. 32:31 – I bought a thumb drive years ago for it and paid $50-60 for that. Which is insane. 32:55- Chuck: Build vs. Buy topic has been covered very well, so far. When you are building, which features to prioritize? Building features – which one to prioritize? 33:47 – It would be less impactful to your client base. You have sponsors and signing up for the show. The listeners could be returning guests. But your sponsors are coming on ALL the time. Feature rich platform for them. You want them to enjoy using your product. I think that would be the most important. Having something for your scheduling. It doesn’t have to be feature rich. But 34:43 – Chuck: I understand the trade-offs. Anything I can do to make the system automatic then that helps. Some people want some LIVE episodes. That leads the sponsorship into the content production stuff. Beyond telling Eric, my editor, where to put the ads within the episode. 36:52 – Panelist chimes in. 37:15 – They want the testimonial. The other end to that when we started off we got sponsors because we were novel. We were a different take on Ruby. The market has changed. Things change. Then it was okay well Ruby Rogues was a great way to meet developers. You can do conferences but you reach a lot of people in one week. Some of our sponsors early on - they past their ROI. Podcast market has changed. Some of this feedback has made me rethink things. The market has changed. People want to hear the personal touch and the personal message. They want to hear how these things are being run and how to fix the bugs. Just being aware of the needs and how the needs change. It is easy to get comfortable. Then it turns out jQuery doesn’t always cut the mustard anymore. But maybe it does? If you get comfortable then you will pay for it. 39:58 – So true. Like Code Fund. Blog Post: What is Keeping Me Up At Night? 41:11 – Chuck: Even their needs have changed. That feedback is crucial. It’s not just about keeping tabs on this stuff. Why are you loosing the publisher? Are you getting the feedback that you need. I am have gotten critiques from Eric and other people. Oh ok, let me change the packing to serve their needs. Kind of roll with the punches. If you aren’t talking back to your customers then there will be issues. 42:18 – Panelist: Side topic of how do you receive feedback? Some people there is a small minority that will bash you. They won’t give you constructive feedback. They are being a mean person. Having a good attitude is going to help with the feedback to make your product better. 43:15 – Chuck: Nobody wants to have that confrontation. 43:30 – I have grown to appreciate humanity. When you are asking them about: why did you leave? I see that they’ve read it 4-5 times but they didn’t hit reply. Am I doing this? Am I not doing this? 45:11 – Getting the opinions out there can help you if you can find the positive twist to even negative comments. 45:44 – How can this feedback make me a better person, podcaster or better in general? You can find that in the nastiest feedback that you may receive.    46:29 – But on the flipside – if you decide to buy – make the feedback constructive. Honestly 46:56 – I had a similar experience. Geekbot. I just bought it and I love it. They do daily standups on Geekbot. They kept skipping days. But they asked for me to try again, I di and I am glad that I did! 48:49 – Panelist: When you are talking about building your own software and you get that feedback it’s important not to be a person pleaser. If it doesn’t help ALL then it’s something you might NOT wan to build it. I t has to be globally beneficial. Do the right thing. I 50:49 – Chuck: Anything else? 51:01 – To UNSUBSCRIBE make them fill out a long form before you leave. One more kick to the groin. 51:17 – Chuck: Subject Line: Please Piss Me Off. How can we make this more effective? 51:40 – I send them weekly stats. I solicit through that e-mail. 52:00 – I think the point is that most people who buy software are HEARD and that they are a valuable customer. Their voice does matter. You want to solve their problems in a least expensive way. 52:36 – Chuck: Making it SUPER easy for them. 53:18 – Final thought about building: if someone has to leave your application, to do the task at hand, then your app is missing some core feature(s) that your users are wanting. 54:27 – Picks! 54:32 – Advertisement for Get a Coder Job! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Zapier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Shapeoko Eric Geekbot Polymail Airbrake Charles My Ruby Story Podcasts Orlando -  FinCon or Microsoft Ignite MeetUp Park City Meetup

Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett John Papa Special Guest: No Guest(s) In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss their various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community!  Show Topics: 1:31 – Erik: Contributing to opensource – and being a good resource for the community. Contributing and still making a living. If people want to make this more sustainable and doing work for the community. 2:26 – Chuck: What do you been by “contributing” – because people could think that “code contributions” would be it. 2:50 – Erik: Answering people’s questions in a chat, code contributions, or doing a podcast or doing a blog posts. I think there are a lot of ways to contribute. Really anything to make their lives and work easier. 3:33 – Panelist: Can we go around and ask the panel individually what THEY do? It could be as simple as mentoring someone at your work. I’m curious to see what the panelist members have done. Sometimes you can get paid for those contributions. 4:40 – Panelist: I am super scared to contribute source code. I really love organizing things: Meetups, conferences, etc. That’s my favorite sort of work. It is also terrifying, though, too. Educational content and organizing conferences are my favorite ways to contribute. 6:10 – Panelist: Why is that attractive for you? 6:22 – Panelist: That’s a good question. I’ve already started planning for the 2022 conference. It’s very physical – there are people that are present. Very direct interaction. My second favorite is sometimes I will teach at local boot camp, and the topic is about interviewing. There is interaction there, too. 8:32 – Panelist: Why do you think organizing conferences is useful? 8:46 – Panelist: Top way is that I will hear stories after the fact. “Oh I came to the conference, met this person, and now I have a new job that pays 30% more...thank you!” Stories like that are rewarding. It’s a ripple effect. A conference the main thing you are putting out there are videos (main product) going to YouTube. The people that are there, at the conference, are interacting people and they are making friends and making contacts. It inspires them to do better. John Papa just goes out there to talk into the hallway. You can talk to Chris Fritz in the hall. Make yourself available. You are the celebrities and people want to meet you. 12:20 – Panel talks about how desperate they are to talk to Chris. 12:36 – Panelist: Going to conferences and meeting other people. 13:08 – Panelist: Taking part of conferences in other ways. That’s something that you do Divya Sasidharan? 13:33 – Divya: It depends on your personality. You get to speak as a speaker, because you get visibility fast. I don’t think you don’t have to speak if you don’t want to speak. Anything within your community that is beneficial. Or the one-to-one interactions are great. Having a conversation with another person that cannot respond. It’s nice to give a speech because it’s a one-way conversation. I like the preparation part of it. The delivery is the nerves, afterwards is a high because it’s over with. I really like writing demos. For the demos I put in a lot of time into it. It gives me the space and time constraint to work on those demos. 16:10 – Do you like the preparation or the delivery? 16:20 – Preparation part that I do not like as much because it is nerve-wrecking, and then the anticipation to go up there on stage. 16:55 – Panelist: I am nervous until when it starts. Once I start talking – well that’s it! Can’t go back now. 17:26 – John: I have given a few talks at a conference. 17:39 – Panelist: Doing good and contributing. I knew John Papa when he was in Microsoft in 2000/2001. I read about it. Everyone knew about him. It would be so GREAT to meet John Papa, and now we are friends! We get to talk about personal stuff and I learn from him. 18:42 – Chris: I have had moments like that, too. Act like they are a normal person. 19:01 – Chuck: After I walk off the stage people want to talk to me afterwards. 19:24 – John: For my personal style, I learn about talking at conferences. I spend a lot of times building a demo. I don’t spend a lot of times with decks. I work on the code, the talk separately. I whip that up quickly, so I don’t This is the story I am going to tell – that’s what I tell myself before I do a talk at a conference. Afterwards, people come up to you years later – and they give you these awesome feedback comments. It’s a huge reward and very fulfilling. There was someone in this world you were able to impact. That’s why I like teaching. I watch the sessions on YouTube. I want to have deep conversations with people. You are missing out if you aren’t talking to people at the conference. 23:26 – Panelist: Yeah, I agree. I do a lot of YouTube videos. I write a blog for a few years on Node and such. Then I got into videos, and helping new developers. Videos on Vue.js. Like you, Joe, I try to combine the two. If I can help myself, and OTHERS, that is great. I promote my own courses, my own affiliate links. It’s really fun talking in front of a video camera. Talking through something complex and making it simple. 24:52 – Panelist: Creating videos vs. speaking at a conference. 25:02 – Panelist: My bucket list is to do my conferences. I want to start putting out proposals. Easiest thing for me is to make videos. I used to do 20 takes before I was happy, but now I do one take and that’s it. 256:00 – Sounds like lower effort. You don’t have to ask anyone for permission to do a YouTube video. 26:21 – Panelist: Even if you are a beginner, then you can probably help others, too. At first, you feel like you are talking to yourself. If anything else, you are learning and you are getting experience. The ruby ducky programming. Talking to something that cannot respond to you. 27:11 – Like when I write a... 27:29 – Check out duck punching, and Paul Irish. 28:00 – Digital Ocean 28:42 – The creativity of doing YouTube videos. Is that rewarding to be creative or the organization? What part do you like in the creation process? 29:23 – I think a blog you have text you can be funny you can make the text interesting. With videos it’s a whole new world of teaching. YouTubers teaching certain concepts.  There are other people that have awesome animations. If I wanted to talk about a topic and do something simple or talk outside – there are a ton of different ways 31:10 – Panelist: Some times I just want to go off and be creative; hats-off to you. 31:28 – Panelist: I have tried to do a course with time stamps and certain 32:00 – D: Do you have a process of how you want to create your videos – what is your process? 32:22 – Panelist: I have a list of topics that I want to talk about. Then when I record it then I have a cheat sheet and I just go. Other people do other things, though. Like sketches and story boarding. 33:16 – D: Fun, fun, function. He has poster boards that he holds up and stuff. 33:36 – Panelist: People who listen to this podcast might be interested in podcasting? 33:54 – Panelist: Anyone who runs a podcast, Chuck? 34:16 – Chuck: When I started podcasting – I initially had to edit and publish – but now I pay someone to do it. It is a lot more work than it is. All you have to do is record and have a decent microphone, and put it out there. 35:18 – Panelist: It’s a labor of love. You almost lost your house because at first it wasn’t profitable. 35:45 – Chuck: Yeah for the most part we have it figured it out. Even then, we have 12 shows on the network on DevChat TV. 3 more I want to start and I want to put those on YouTube. Some people want to be on a new show with me. We will see. 36:37 – Chuck: I have a lot of people who asked about Python. We all come together and talk about what we are doing and seeing. It’s the water cooler discussion that people can hear for themselves. The conversation that you wish you could have to talk to experts. 38:03 – Podcasts provide that if you cannot get that at a conference? 38:16 – Conference talks are a little bit more prepared. We can go deeper in a podcast interview, because we can bring them back. You can get as involved as you want. It’s also 38:53 – Chuck: Podcasting is good if there is good content and it’s regular. 39:09 – Panelist: What is GOOD content? 39:20 – Chuck: There are different things people want. Generally they want something like: Staying Current Staying on the Edge When you go into the content it’s the host(s). I identify the way this host says THIS a certain way or that person says something THAT Way. That is all community connection. We do give people an introduction to topics that they might not hear anywhere else. With a Podcast if something new comes up we can interview someone THIS week and publish next week. Always staying current. 41:36 – Chuck: A lot of things go into it and community connection and staying current. 41:52 – Panelist: How to get started in EACH of the things we talked about. How do we try to get paid for some of these things? So we can provide value to communities. Talking about money sometimes is taboo. 43:36 – Panelist: Those are full topics all in by themselves. 43:55 – Chuck: Sustainability – let’s talk about that. I think we can enter into that 44:15 – Panelist: How do you decide what’s for free and what you are charging? How do you decide? 44:55 – Joe: I think one thing to start off is the best way to operate – do it because you feel like it needs to be done. The money follows. The minute you start solving people’s problems, money will follow. It’s good to think about the money, but don’t be obsessed. React conference. The react team didn’t want to do the conference, but it’s got to happen. The money happened afterwards. The money follows. Look for opportunities. Think ahead and be the responsible one. 47:28 – Panelist: If you want to setup a Meetup then go to... 47:45 – Panelist: I bet if you went to a Meet up and said you want to help – they would love that. 47:59 – Panelist: Yes, do something that is valuable. But events you will have a budget. Is it important to have money afterwards or try to break even? 48:38 – Joe: I think having money after the conference is just fine. The #1 thing is that if you are passionate about the project then you will make decisions to get that project out there. I can’t spend 500+ hours on something that it won’t help me pay my mortgage. 51:29 – Panelist: It’s not greedy to want money. 51:46 – Panelist: It’s a very thankless job. Many people don’t know how much effort goes into a conference. It’s a pain. People like Joe will put in 90 hours a week to pull off a conference. It’s a very, very difficult job. 53:42 – Panelist: Question to Divya. 54:00 – Divya: I have only been speaking for about a year now. For me, I feel this need to speak at different events to get my name out there. You wan the visibility, access to community and other benefits. These things trump the speaker’s fee. As I get more experience then I will look for a speaker’s fee. This fee is a baseline to make sure that you are given value for your time and effort. Most conferences do pay for your hotel and transportation. 56:58 – Panelist: How much is worth it to me to go and speak? Even if at the lower level; but someone who is a luminary in the field (John Papa). But for me it’s worth it. I am willing to spend my own dime. 58:14 – Panelist: John? 58:37 – John: You learn the most when you listen. I am impressed on your perspectives. Yes, early on you’ve got to get your brand out there. It’s an honor to speak then I’m honored. Do I have time? Will my family be okay if I am gone 3-4 days? Is this something that will have an impact in some way? Will I make connections? Will I be able to help the community? There is nothing wrong with saying I need to be paid X for that speech. It’s all of the blood, sweat, and tears that go into it. 1:01:30 – Panelist chimes in. I run conferences we cannot even cover their travel costs. Other conferences we can cover their travel costs; and everything in-between. There is nothing wrong with that. 1:02:11 – You have to be financially sound. Many of us do workshops, too. 1:02:59 – How do you get paid for podcasting? 1:03:11 – Chuck: I do get crap for having ads in the podcast. Nobody knows how much editing goes into one episode. It takes money for hosting, and finding guests, and it costs through Zoom. The amount of time it takes to produce these 12 shows is time-consuming. If you want to get something sponsored. Go approach companies and see. Once you get larger 5-10,000 listeners then that’s when you can pay your car payment. It’s a labor of love at first. The moral is that you WANT to do what you are doing. 1:06:11 – Advertisement. 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Panel: AJ O’Neal Aimee Knight Joe Eames Charles Max Wood Special Guests: Chris Heilmann In this episode, the panel talks with programmer, Chris Heilmann. He has written books about JavaScript, in addition to writing a blog about it and is an educator about this program.  He currently resides in Berlin, Germany. Let’s welcome our special guest and listen to today’s episode! Show Topics: 2:19 – Chuck talks. 2:41 – Chris: He has talked about JavaScript in Berlin upon an invitation. You can get five different suggestions about how to use JavaScript. The best practices, I have found, are on the projects I am on now. JavaScript was built in ten days. My goal is to help people navigate through JavaScript and help them feel not disenfranchised.  5:47 – Aimee: The overall theme is... 5:54 – Panelist: I really like what you said about helping people not feeling disenfranchised. 6:47 – Chris: There is a lot of peer pressure at peer conferences 7:30 – Aimee chimes in with some comments. 7:50: Chris: I think we need to hunt the person down that put... 8:03 – Panelist: A good point to that is, I try to avoid comments like, “Well, like we ALL know...” 8:27 – Chris: There are things NOT to say on stage. It happens, but we don’t want to say certain things while we are teaching people. We are building products with different groups, so keep that in mind. 9:40 – Aimee: My experience in doing this is that I have found it very rewarding to share embarrassing experiences that I’ve had. My advice would to tell people to let their guard down. It’s encouraging for me. 10:26 – Chris: It helps to show that you are vulnerable and show that you are still learning, too. We are all learning together. 90% of our job is communicating with others. 11:05 – Chuck: Now, I do want to ask this... 11:35 – Chris answers. 12:24 – What makes you say that? (Question to Chris) 12:25 – Chris answers. 13:55 – Chuck: The different systems out there are either widely distributed or... You will have to work with other people. There is no way that people can make that on their own. If you can’t work with other people, then you are a hindrance. 14:31 – Aimee chimes in. 14:53 – Chris: They have to be very self-assured. I want to do things that are at the next level. Each developer has his or her own story. I want to move up the chain, so I want to make sure these developers are self-assured. 16:07 – Chris: Back to the article... 18:26 – Chuck: Yes, I agree. Why go and fight creating a whole system when it exists. 18:54 – Chris chimes in with some comments. 19:38 – Panelist: I still use console logs. 19:48 – Chris: We all do, but we have to... 19:55 – Aimee: In the past year, I can’t tell you how much I rely on this. Do I use Angular? Do I learn Vue? All those things that you can focus on – tools. 10:21 – Chris: We are talking about the ethics of interfaces. Good code is about accessibility, privacy and maintainability, among others. Everything else is sugar on top. We are building products for other people. 22:10 – Chuck: That is the interesting message in your post, and that you are saying: having a deep, solid knowledge of React (that is sort of a status thing...). It is other things that really do matter. It’s the impact we are having. It’s those things that will make the difference. Those things people will want to work with and solves their problems. 23:00 – Chris adds his comments. He talks about Flash. 24:05 – Chris: The librarian motto: “I don’t know everything, but I can look “here” to find the answer.” We don’t know everything. 24:31 – Aimee: Learn how to learn. 24:50 – Chris: There is a big gap in the market. Scratch is a cool tool and it’s these puzzle pieces you put together. It was hard for me to use that system. No, I don’t want to do that. But if you teach the kids these tools then that’s good.  24:56 – Chuck: Here is the link, and all I had to do was write React components. 26:12 – Chris: My first laptop was 5x more heavy then this one is. Having access to the Internet is a blessing. 27:24 – Advertisement 28:21 – Chuck: Let’s bring this back around. If someone has gone through boot camp, you are recommending that they get use to know their editor, debugging, etc. Chris: 28:47 – Chris: Yes, get involved within your community. GitHub. This is a community effort. You can help. Writing code from scratch is not that necessary anymore. Why rebuild something if it works. Why fix it if it’s not broken? 31:00 – Chuck talks about his experience. 31:13 – Chris continues his thoughts. Chris: Start growing a community. 32:01 – Chuck: What ways can people get involved within their community? 32:13 – Chris: Meetup. There are a lot of opportunities out there. Just going online and seeing where the conferences 34:08 – Chris: It’s interesting when I coach people on public speaking. Sharing your knowledge and learning experience is great! 34:50 – Chuck: If they are learning how to code then...by interacting with people you can get closer to what you need/want. 35:30 – Chris continues this conversation. 35:49 – Chris: You can be the person that helps with x, y, z. Just by getting your name known then you can get a job offer. 36:23 – Chuck: How do you find out what is really good content – what’s worth your time vs. what’s not worth your time? 36:36 –Chris says, “That’s tricky!” Chris answers the question. 37:19: Chris: The best things out there right now is... 38:45 – Chuck: Anything else that people want to bring up? 39:00 – Chris continues to talk. 42:26 – Aimee adds in her thoughts. Aimee: I would encourage people to... 43:00 – Chris continues the conversation. Chris: Each project is different, when I build a web app is different then when I build a... 45:07 – Panelist: I agree. You talked about abstractions that don’t go away. You use abstractions in what you use. At some point, it’s safe to rly on this abstraction, but not this one. People may ask themselves: maybe CoffeeScript wasn’t the best thing for me. 46:11 – Chris comments and refers to jQuery. 48:58 – Chris continues the conversation. Chris: I used to work on eight different projects and they worked on different interfaces. I learned about these different environments. This is the project we are now using, and this will like it for the end of time. This is where abstractions are the weird thing. What was the use of the abstraction if it doesn’t have longevity? I think we are building things too soon and too fast. 51:04 – Chris: When I work in browsers and come up with brand new stuff. 52:21 – Panelist: Your points are great, but there are some additional things we need to talk about. Let’s take jQuery as an example. There is a strong argument that if you misuse the browser... 53:45 – Chris: The main issue I have with jQuery is that people get an immediate satisfaction. What do we do besides this? 55:58 – Panelist asks Chris further questions. 56:25 – Chris answers. Chris: There are highly frequent websites that aren’t being maintained and they aren’t maintainable anymore. 57:09 – Panelist: Prototypes were invented because... 57:51 – Chris: It’s a 20/20 thing. 58:04 – Panelist: Same thing can be said about the Y2K. 58:20 – Panelist: Yes, they had to solve that problem that day. The reality is... 58:44 – Chris: We learned from that whole experience. 1:00:51 – Chris: There was a lot of fluff around it. 1:01:35 – Panelist: Being able to see the future would be a very helpful thing. 1:01:43 – Chris continues the conversation. 1:02:44 – Chuck: How do people get ahold of you? 1:03:04 – Twitter is probably the best way. 1:03:32 – Let’s go to picks! 1:03:36 - Advertisement Links: JavaScript So you Learned Java Script, what now? – Article WebHint Article by James Sinclair Clank! 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Panel: AJ O’Neal Aimee Knight Joe Eames Charles Max Wood Special Guests: Chris Heilmann In this episode, the panel talks with programmer, Chris Heilmann. He has written books about JavaScript, in addition to writing a blog about it and is an educator about this program.  He currently resides in Berlin, Germany. Let’s welcome our special guest and listen to today’s episode! Show Topics: 2:19 – Chuck talks. 2:41 – Chris: He has talked about JavaScript in Berlin upon an invitation. You can get five different suggestions about how to use JavaScript. The best practices, I have found, are on the projects I am on now. JavaScript was built in ten days. My goal is to help people navigate through JavaScript and help them feel not disenfranchised.  5:47 – Aimee: The overall theme is... 5:54 – Panelist: I really like what you said about helping people not feeling disenfranchised. 6:47 – Chris: There is a lot of peer pressure at peer conferences 7:30 – Aimee chimes in with some comments. 7:50: Chris: I think we need to hunt the person down that put... 8:03 – Panelist: A good point to that is, I try to avoid comments like, “Well, like we ALL know...” 8:27 – Chris: There are things NOT to say on stage. It happens, but we don’t want to say certain things while we are teaching people. We are building products with different groups, so keep that in mind. 9:40 – Aimee: My experience in doing this is that I have found it very rewarding to share embarrassing experiences that I’ve had. My advice would to tell people to let their guard down. It’s encouraging for me. 10:26 – Chris: It helps to show that you are vulnerable and show that you are still learning, too. We are all learning together. 90% of our job is communicating with others. 11:05 – Chuck: Now, I do want to ask this... 11:35 – Chris answers. 12:24 – What makes you say that? (Question to Chris) 12:25 – Chris answers. 13:55 – Chuck: The different systems out there are either widely distributed or... You will have to work with other people. There is no way that people can make that on their own. If you can’t work with other people, then you are a hindrance. 14:31 – Aimee chimes in. 14:53 – Chris: They have to be very self-assured. I want to do things that are at the next level. Each developer has his or her own story. I want to move up the chain, so I want to make sure these developers are self-assured. 16:07 – Chris: Back to the article... 18:26 – Chuck: Yes, I agree. Why go and fight creating a whole system when it exists. 18:54 – Chris chimes in with some comments. 19:38 – Panelist: I still use console logs. 19:48 – Chris: We all do, but we have to... 19:55 – Aimee: In the past year, I can’t tell you how much I rely on this. Do I use Angular? Do I learn Vue? All those things that you can focus on – tools. 10:21 – Chris: We are talking about the ethics of interfaces. Good code is about accessibility, privacy and maintainability, among others. Everything else is sugar on top. We are building products for other people. 22:10 – Chuck: That is the interesting message in your post, and that you are saying: having a deep, solid knowledge of React (that is sort of a status thing...). It is other things that really do matter. It’s the impact we are having. It’s those things that will make the difference. Those things people will want to work with and solves their problems. 23:00 – Chris adds his comments. He talks about Flash. 24:05 – Chris: The librarian motto: “I don’t know everything, but I can look “here” to find the answer.” We don’t know everything. 24:31 – Aimee: Learn how to learn. 24:50 – Chris: There is a big gap in the market. Scratch is a cool tool and it’s these puzzle pieces you put together. It was hard for me to use that system. No, I don’t want to do that. But if you teach the kids these tools then that’s good.  24:56 – Chuck: Here is the link, and all I had to do was write React components. 26:12 – Chris: My first laptop was 5x more heavy then this one is. Having access to the Internet is a blessing. 27:24 – Advertisement 28:21 – Chuck: Let’s bring this back around. If someone has gone through boot camp, you are recommending that they get use to know their editor, debugging, etc. Chris: 28:47 – Chris: Yes, get involved within your community. GitHub. This is a community effort. You can help. Writing code from scratch is not that necessary anymore. Why rebuild something if it works. Why fix it if it’s not broken? 31:00 – Chuck talks about his experience. 31:13 – Chris continues his thoughts. Chris: Start growing a community. 32:01 – Chuck: What ways can people get involved within their community? 32:13 – Chris: Meetup. There are a lot of opportunities out there. Just going online and seeing where the conferences 34:08 – Chris: It’s interesting when I coach people on public speaking. Sharing your knowledge and learning experience is great! 34:50 – Chuck: If they are learning how to code then...by interacting with people you can get closer to what you need/want. 35:30 – Chris continues this conversation. 35:49 – Chris: You can be the person that helps with x, y, z. Just by getting your name known then you can get a job offer. 36:23 – Chuck: How do you find out what is really good content – what’s worth your time vs. what’s not worth your time? 36:36 –Chris says, “That’s tricky!” Chris answers the question. 37:19: Chris: The best things out there right now is... 38:45 – Chuck: Anything else that people want to bring up? 39:00 – Chris continues to talk. 42:26 – Aimee adds in her thoughts. Aimee: I would encourage people to... 43:00 – Chris continues the conversation. Chris: Each project is different, when I build a web app is different then when I build a... 45:07 – Panelist: I agree. You talked about abstractions that don’t go away. You use abstractions in what you use. At some point, it’s safe to rly on this abstraction, but not this one. People may ask themselves: maybe CoffeeScript wasn’t the best thing for me. 46:11 – Chris comments and refers to jQuery. 48:58 – Chris continues the conversation. Chris: I used to work on eight different projects and they worked on different interfaces. I learned about these different environments. This is the project we are now using, and this will like it for the end of time. This is where abstractions are the weird thing. What was the use of the abstraction if it doesn’t have longevity? I think we are building things too soon and too fast. 51:04 – Chris: When I work in browsers and come up with brand new stuff. 52:21 – Panelist: Your points are great, but there are some additional things we need to talk about. Let’s take jQuery as an example. There is a strong argument that if you misuse the browser... 53:45 – Chris: The main issue I have with jQuery is that people get an immediate satisfaction. What do we do besides this? 55:58 – Panelist asks Chris further questions. 56:25 – Chris answers. Chris: There are highly frequent websites that aren’t being maintained and they aren’t maintainable anymore. 57:09 – Panelist: Prototypes were invented because... 57:51 – Chris: It’s a 20/20 thing. 58:04 – Panelist: Same thing can be said about the Y2K. 58:20 – Panelist: Yes, they had to solve that problem that day. The reality is... 58:44 – Chris: We learned from that whole experience. 1:00:51 – Chris: There was a lot of fluff around it. 1:01:35 – Panelist: Being able to see the future would be a very helpful thing. 1:01:43 – Chris continues the conversation. 1:02:44 – Chuck: How do people get ahold of you? 1:03:04 – Twitter is probably the best way. 1:03:32 – Let’s go to picks! 1:03:36 - Advertisement Links: JavaScript So you Learned Java Script, what now? – Article WebHint Article by James Sinclair Clank! Angular GitHub Meetup Chris Heilmann’s Twitter Chris Heilmann’s Website Chris Heilmann’s Medium Chris Heilmann’s LinkedIn Chris Heilmann Chris Heilmann’s GitHub Smashing Magazine – Chris Heilmann jQuery CoffeeScript React Elixir Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Digital Ocean Cache Fly   Picks : Amiee Hacker News -  How to deal with dirty side effects in your pure functional JavaScript AJ KeyBase Joe Framework Summit Clank ASMR Charles Get a Coder Job Course The Iron Druid Chronicles Framework Summit Chris Web Unleashed Toronto Kurzgesagt It Is Just You, Everything’s Not Shit

Panel: AJ O’Neal Aimee Knight Joe Eames Charles Max Wood Special Guests: Chris Heilmann In this episode, the panel talks with programmer, Chris Heilmann. He has written books about JavaScript, in addition to writing a blog about it and is an educator about this program.  He currently resides in Berlin, Germany. Let’s welcome our special guest and listen to today’s episode! Show Topics: 2:19 – Chuck talks. 2:41 – Chris: He has talked about JavaScript in Berlin upon an invitation. You can get five different suggestions about how to use JavaScript. The best practices, I have found, are on the projects I am on now. JavaScript was built in ten days. My goal is to help people navigate through JavaScript and help them feel not disenfranchised.  5:47 – Aimee: The overall theme is... 5:54 – Panelist: I really like what you said about helping people not feeling disenfranchised. 6:47 – Chris: There is a lot of peer pressure at peer conferences 7:30 – Aimee chimes in with some comments. 7:50: Chris: I think we need to hunt the person down that put... 8:03 – Panelist: A good point to that is, I try to avoid comments like, “Well, like we ALL know...” 8:27 – Chris: There are things NOT to say on stage. It happens, but we don’t want to say certain things while we are teaching people. We are building products with different groups, so keep that in mind. 9:40 – Aimee: My experience in doing this is that I have found it very rewarding to share embarrassing experiences that I’ve had. My advice would to tell people to let their guard down. It’s encouraging for me. 10:26 – Chris: It helps to show that you are vulnerable and show that you are still learning, too. We are all learning together. 90% of our job is communicating with others. 11:05 – Chuck: Now, I do want to ask this... 11:35 – Chris answers. 12:24 – What makes you say that? (Question to Chris) 12:25 – Chris answers. 13:55 – Chuck: The different systems out there are either widely distributed or... You will have to work with other people. There is no way that people can make that on their own. If you can’t work with other people, then you are a hindrance. 14:31 – Aimee chimes in. 14:53 – Chris: They have to be very self-assured. I want to do things that are at the next level. Each developer has his or her own story. I want to move up the chain, so I want to make sure these developers are self-assured. 16:07 – Chris: Back to the article... 18:26 – Chuck: Yes, I agree. Why go and fight creating a whole system when it exists. 18:54 – Chris chimes in with some comments. 19:38 – Panelist: I still use console logs. 19:48 – Chris: We all do, but we have to... 19:55 – Aimee: In the past year, I can’t tell you how much I rely on this. Do I use Angular? Do I learn Vue? All those things that you can focus on – tools. 10:21 – Chris: We are talking about the ethics of interfaces. Good code is about accessibility, privacy and maintainability, among others. Everything else is sugar on top. We are building products for other people. 22:10 – Chuck: That is the interesting message in your post, and that you are saying: having a deep, solid knowledge of React (that is sort of a status thing...). It is other things that really do matter. It’s the impact we are having. It’s those things that will make the difference. Those things people will want to work with and solves their problems. 23:00 – Chris adds his comments. He talks about Flash. 24:05 – Chris: The librarian motto: “I don’t know everything, but I can look “here” to find the answer.” We don’t know everything. 24:31 – Aimee: Learn how to learn. 24:50 – Chris: There is a big gap in the market. Scratch is a cool tool and it’s these puzzle pieces you put together. It was hard for me to use that system. No, I don’t want to do that. But if you teach the kids these tools then that’s good.  24:56 – Chuck: Here is the link, and all I had to do was write React components. 26:12 – Chris: My first laptop was 5x more heavy then this one is. Having access to the Internet is a blessing. 27:24 – Advertisement 28:21 – Chuck: Let’s bring this back around. If someone has gone through boot camp, you are recommending that they get use to know their editor, debugging, etc. Chris: 28:47 – Chris: Yes, get involved within your community. GitHub. This is a community effort. You can help. Writing code from scratch is not that necessary anymore. Why rebuild something if it works. Why fix it if it’s not broken? 31:00 – Chuck talks about his experience. 31:13 – Chris continues his thoughts. Chris: Start growing a community. 32:01 – Chuck: What ways can people get involved within their community? 32:13 – Chris: Meetup. There are a lot of opportunities out there. Just going online and seeing where the conferences 34:08 – Chris: It’s interesting when I coach people on public speaking. Sharing your knowledge and learning experience is great! 34:50 – Chuck: If they are learning how to code then...by interacting with people you can get closer to what you need/want. 35:30 – Chris continues this conversation. 35:49 – Chris: You can be the person that helps with x, y, z. Just by getting your name known then you can get a job offer. 36:23 – Chuck: How do you find out what is really good content – what’s worth your time vs. what’s not worth your time? 36:36 –Chris says, “That’s tricky!” Chris answers the question. 37:19: Chris: The best things out there right now is... 38:45 – Chuck: Anything else that people want to bring up? 39:00 – Chris continues to talk. 42:26 – Aimee adds in her thoughts. Aimee: I would encourage people to... 43:00 – Chris continues the conversation. Chris: Each project is different, when I build a web app is different then when I build a... 45:07 – Panelist: I agree. You talked about abstractions that don’t go away. You use abstractions in what you use. At some point, it’s safe to rly on this abstraction, but not this one. People may ask themselves: maybe CoffeeScript wasn’t the best thing for me. 46:11 – Chris comments and refers to jQuery. 48:58 – Chris continues the conversation. Chris: I used to work on eight different projects and they worked on different interfaces. I learned about these different environments. This is the project we are now using, and this will like it for the end of time. This is where abstractions are the weird thing. What was the use of the abstraction if it doesn’t have longevity? I think we are building things too soon and too fast. 51:04 – Chris: When I work in browsers and come up with brand new stuff. 52:21 – Panelist: Your points are great, but there are some additional things we need to talk about. Let’s take jQuery as an example. There is a strong argument that if you misuse the browser... 53:45 – Chris: The main issue I have with jQuery is that people get an immediate satisfaction. What do we do besides this? 55:58 – Panelist asks Chris further questions. 56:25 – Chris answers. Chris: There are highly frequent websites that aren’t being maintained and they aren’t maintainable anymore. 57:09 – Panelist: Prototypes were invented because... 57:51 – Chris: It’s a 20/20 thing. 58:04 – Panelist: Same thing can be said about the Y2K. 58:20 – Panelist: Yes, they had to solve that problem that day. The reality is... 58:44 – Chris: We learned from that whole experience. 1:00:51 – Chris: There was a lot of fluff around it. 1:01:35 – Panelist: Being able to see the future would be a very helpful thing. 1:01:43 – Chris continues the conversation. 1:02:44 – Chuck: How do people get ahold of you? 1:03:04 – Twitter is probably the best way. 1:03:32 – Let’s go to picks! 1:03:36 - Advertisement Links: JavaScript So you Learned Java Script, what now? – Article WebHint Article by James Sinclair Clank! 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Lucas Reis (NY) Nader Dabit Special Guests: Christopher Buecheler In this episode, the panel talks with Christopher Buecheler who is a web developer and moved into JavaScript in 2000. Christopher runs his own business, and records and edits videos among many other responsibilities. He also has a lot of hobbies, and guitars are one of them. Check out today’s episode where the panel and Christopher talk about how to form a tutorial course from start to finish. Show Topics: 2:38 – Chuck: I always am fascinated by how there are a lot of programmers who are musicians. 3:00 – Panelist: Yes, I agree. Coding takes creativity. People who are programmers are surprisingly into different arts where it asks for the person’s creativity. 3:17 – Panelist: Video games, music, cocktails, etc. 4:05 – Guest: Yes, for a while I liked to make beer. My current kitchen doesn’t allow for it now, though. 4:25 – Chuck: So your 84/86 tutorial course... 4:46 – Guest: I liked to be one or two weeks ahead. Now building the entire app, instead of doing it week-to-week. 5:35 – Chuck: What is the process like – building these videos? 5:51 – Guest: I try to focus on MVP products that are super easy, and that aren’t too complicated. For example, Music List. Add albums and artists, and see other people’s lists. It ended up being a long tutorial. The process: I build the app, rebuild the app from scratch, I start with a script, read the pretty version and have the marked-down one for my use. The script goes up as the text tutorial. Do my video editing in Adobe Premiere. 7:55 – Question from panel. 8:52 – Panelist: I have found that extremely hard to do. 9:29 – Chuck talks about his process of recording his tutorials. Chuck: I don’t have a script; I just walk through it as I am going along. You can get it transcribed, which I have done in the past. I have a license for Adobe Premiere. 11:04 – Panelist: I never recorded a tutorial before but I have written a lot of blog posts. I reviewed it, and reviewing it is a very interesting take. I learn a lot in the process. The things cement in my mind while reviewing. Videos you have the real-time thing going on. 12:00 – Guest adds additional comments. 13:39 – Chuck chimes in. Chuck: We really appreciate you leaving the mistakes in. 14:11 – Guest: Yes, they watch you debug. 14:20 – Panelist: Most of your tutorials are beginner focused, right? 14:23 – Guest: Yes. Christopher goes into detail here. 17:13 – Chuck chimes in. Chuck: My thought is to learn x, y, z in 1 hour. 17:35 – Guest: People are attracted to shorter tutorials. 5-minute React. Don’t build an 84 tutorial course. They are built up to digestible chunks. It’s not wall-to-wall coding, because that would seem overwhelming to me. Let’s learn something in a bite-size chunk. 18:41 – Panelist: Egghead. Because of their guidelines they do good work. 1-5 minutes long tutorials. You can get a good run-down and a good introduction. 19:24 – Panelist: You can find it really easy. You don’t need a 1-hour video. 19:40 – Chuck: Yeah, to break it up in small sections. People will see this in my e-book course. 20:02 – Panelist: Do people give you a lot of feedback? What parts of this React course do people have most difficulty with? 20:21 – Guest: It’s not React based, it’s actually other issues. 210:6 – Guest: Redux. 21:53 – Guest: What’s the best way to use props? Where should I put my Logic versus... 22:15 – Panelist: This is very similar when I teach... 22:46 – Guest: I have seen people say that if you truly see how this works in JavaScript then you really understand how JavaScript works. React can be confusing if you are using class-based components. You have to use binder or error functions, etc. It becomes confusing at times. Another area you mentioned was state: component state or your application state. Two different things, but they interact with each other. Understanding the difference between the two. Should I store it in this store or...? 24:09 – Digital Ocean Advertisement. 24:47 – Panelist: Were you doing this as a side thing? How do you keep up in the industry if you aren’t making “real” projects? 25:25 – Guest gives his answer plus his background with companies, clients, and programs. Guest: I really wanted to build my own company, when I was thinking of ideas I came across some great brainstorming ideas. I have a lot of traffic coming to these tutorials. I really liked giving something back to the web development community. I liked interacting with people and getting them to their “Ah Ha!” moment. It’s able to support me and helps me moving forward. I follow a ton of people on Twitter – the React team. I pay a ton of attention to what people are looking to learn. I play around those things for my own edification. I pick up some contract work and it helps me to stay current. It’s always a culmination for things. Part of the job is not to fall behind. If you are creating tutorials you have to reteach yourself things as things changes. 28:46 – Panelist asks another question. How do you get new leads and new customers? 20:02 – Guest answers questions. Guest: I was on a mentality if “I build it they will come.” This isn’t the best mentality. That was not a good approach. I started working with a consultant: how do we get this out to people? No ads, no subscription service. My e-mail list. I have gone from 1,600 to 4,600 people on my email list. Find the people who are interested. 32:52 – Guest: Find your voice, and how you choose to deliver your information. Text? Video? Or both? What do you want to teach? Don’t teach what you think will sell the most. It’s more important to be excited an interested what you are teaching. 34:05 – Panelist: When I am teaching something I try to remember of the feeling when I was learning it. For example, Harrison Ford. What was I thinking? How did I learn this concept? 35:01 – Guest: When I learned React it was because a client asked me to learn it. 4-6 weeks of exhausting terror and me trying to learn this to make useful code for this client. In about that time (4-6 weeks) “Oh I understand what I am doing now!” We are still on good terms today with this said client. When I am trying to learn something, the next level is here is a blog, and comments. There aren’t a lot of intermediary steps. They explain every kind of step. I took a similar approach with my other course. That’s informed by my own experience when learning these different technologies. 37:08 – Guest: Yes – check out my newsletter, and my new resource every week. Follow me at Twitter or my personal Twitter where I talk about the NBA too much. Email me if you have any questions. 38:11 – Chuck: Anything else? Okay, picks! 38:24 – Chuck’s Advertisement for His Course! 39:01 – Picks! Links: Kendo UI Ruby on Rails Angular Get A Coder Job Redux Adobe Premiere Close Brace Five Minute React Egghead State of JavaScript Statecharts James R. Nelson Christopher Buecheler’s Website Christopher Buecheler’s Books Christopher Buecheler’s Twitter Christopher Buecheler’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Kendo UI Digital Ocean Get A Coder Job Picks: Charles Pre-Sale: Get A Coder Job DevChat TV Website – Notion.So Lucas Statecharts Nader Book Title: Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Matthew Desmond Author is a sociologist. Going through their day-to-day lives of these low-income families. A lot of it has to do with a room over their head. How they struggle and how poverty goes from one generation to the next. Christopher Shout-Out to a friend – Christopher’s Site 5-Minute React Videos

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry Special Guests: Rahul Mahale In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks to Rahul Mahale. Rahul is a Senior DevOps Engineer at BigBinary in India. He has also worked with SecureDB Inc., Tiny Owl, Winjit Technologies among others. In addition, he attended the University of Pune. The panel and the guest talk about Kubernetes. Show Topics: 1:25 – Swag.com for t-shirts and mugs, etc. for Ruby Rogues / DevChat.tv. 1:49 – Chuck: Why are you famous? 1:57 – Guest’s background. 4:35 – Chuck: Kubernetes – Anyone play with this? 4:49 – Panelist: Yes. Funny situation, I was working with Heroku. Heroku is very costly, but great. The story continues... 6:13 – Panelist: I was so overwhelmed with how difficult it was to launch a simple website. Now, that being said we were using the Amazon EKS, which is the Kubernetes. They don’t have nearly as much good tools, but that’s my experience. 6:48 – Chuck: I haven’t tried Kubernetes. 8:58 – Rahul: I would like to add a few comments. Managing Kubernetes service is not a big deal at the moment, but... 11:19 – Panelist: You wouldn’t recommend people using Kubernetes unless they were well versed? What is that term? 11:40 – Rahul: Not anyone could use the Kubernetes cluster. Let’s offer that complexity to another company that can handle and mange it. 13:02 – The guest continues this conversation. 14:02 – Panelist: I didn’t know that Kubernetes needed different nodes. 14:28 – Rahul continues this topic. 15:05 – What hardware requirements do they need? 15:19 – Rahul: Yes, they do need a good system. Good amount of memory. Good network space. 15:45 – Panelist asks Rahul a question.  16:30 – Rahul: Let’s answer this into two parts. Kubernetes topic is being discussed in detail. 18:41 – Chuck adds comments and asks a question. 18:58 – Rahul talks about companies and programs. Check out this timestamp to hear his thoughts. 20:42 – Another company is mentioned added to this conversation. 21:55 – Additional companies mentioned: Google, Microsoft, IBM, etc. (Rahul) 22:14 – Chuck: It’s interesting how much community plays a role into success stories. Whether or not it’s best technologies it comes down to where there are enough people to help me if I don’t know what to do. 22:43 – Rahul: People, even enterprises, are there. 23:15 – Chuck: At what point (let’s say I docked my app) should they be looking at Kubernetes? Are you waiting on traffic? How do you make that call? 23:56 – Rahul answers the questions. 26:29 – Rahul: If your application is... 27:13 – Announcement – Digital Ocean! 27:51 – Chuck: How does someone get started with Kubernetes? 27:53 – Rahul answers the question. 30:00 – Chuck: It sounds like you have an amateur setup – Dave? 30:21 – Dave: I think the problem is that there is not a Kubernetes for dummies blog post. There has always been some sort of “gottcha!” As much as these documents say that there are solutions here and there, but you will see that there are networking issues. Once you get that up and running, then there are more issues at hand. The other strange thing is that once everything seems to be working okay, and then I started getting connectivity issues. It’s definitely not an afternoon project. It takes researching and googling. At the end, it takes a direction at large that the community is investing into. 32:58 – Chuck makes additional comments. 33:21 – Dave adds more comments. Sorry bad joke – Dave. 33:40 – Topic – Virtualization. 34:32 – Having Swamp is a good idea. 34:44 – Rahul adds his comments. 36:54 – Panelist talks about virtualization and scaling. 37:45 – Rahul adds in comments about the ecosystems. 38:21 – Panelist talks about server-less functions.  39:11 – Rahul: Not every application can... 40:32 – Panelist: I guess the whole downside to... 41:07 – Rahul talks about this. 43:03 – Chuck to Eric: Any problems with Kubernetes for you? 43:05 – Eric: Yes – just spelling it! For me it feels like you are in a jet with all of these different buttons. There are 2 different types of developers. I am of DevOps-minded. That’s why we are getting solutions, and tools like Heroku to help. When I listen to this conversation, I feel quiet only because you guys are talking about spiders and I’m afraid of spiders. 44:44 – Dave to Eric: Having information and knowledge about Kubernetes will help you as a developer. Having some awareness can really help you as a developer. 45:43 – Chuck: There are all these options to know about it – they way he is talking about it sounds like it’s the person on the jet. Don’t touch the red button and don’t’ cut the wrong wire! It feels like with software – it’s a beautiful thing – you erase it and reinstall it! 46:50 – Dave: What? What are all of these crazy words?! What does this exactly mean? The visibility is definitely not there for someone who is just tinkering with it. 47:16 – Rahul: It’s not for someone who is tinkering with it. Definitely. 50:02 – Chuck: We have been talking about benefits of Kubernetes – great. What kinds of processes to setup with Kubernetes to make your life easier? 50:40 Rahul answers the question. 53:54 – Rahul’s Social Media Accounts – check them out under LINKS. 54:29 – Get a Coder Job Course Links: T-Shirts for Ruby Rogues! Get a Coder Job Course Ruby JavaScript Phoenix Heroku Amazon EKS Kubernetes Kubernetes Engine Kubernetes Setup AKS Kubernetes – Creating a single master cluster... Kubernetes GitHub Docker Rancher Learn Kubernetes Using Interactive...by Ben Hall Podcast – All Things Devops Nanobox Cloud 66 Chef Puppet Ansible Salt Stack Orange Computers Rahul Mahale’s Blog Rahul’s Talks and Workshops Rahul Mahale’s LinkedIn Rahul Mahale’s Facebook Rahul Mahale’s Kubernetes Workshop via YouTube Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Charles Conference Game – TerraGenesis – Space Colony Book – The One Thing Dave Orange Computers Eric Cloud 66 Nanobox Rahul Podcast – All Things Devops Kubernetes

Panel: Charles Max Wood Lucas Reis (NY) Nader Dabit Special Guests: Christopher Buecheler In this episode, the panel talks with Christopher Buecheler who is a web developer and moved into JavaScript in 2000. Christopher runs his own business, and records and edits videos among many other responsibilities. He also has a lot of hobbies, and guitars are one of them. Check out today’s episode where the panel and Christopher talk about how to form a tutorial course from start to finish. Show Topics: 2:38 – Chuck: I always am fascinated by how there are a lot of programmers who are musicians. 3:00 – Panelist: Yes, I agree. Coding takes creativity. People who are programmers are surprisingly into different arts where it asks for the person’s creativity. 3:17 – Panelist: Video games, music, cocktails, etc. 4:05 – Guest: Yes, for a while I liked to make beer. My current kitchen doesn’t allow for it now, though. 4:25 – Chuck: So your 84/86 tutorial course... 4:46 – Guest: I liked to be one or two weeks ahead. Now building the entire app, instead of doing it week-to-week. 5:35 – Chuck: What is the process like – building these videos? 5:51 – Guest: I try to focus on MVP products that are super easy, and that aren’t too complicated. For example, Music List. Add albums and artists, and see other people’s lists. It ended up being a long tutorial. The process: I build the app, rebuild the app from scratch, I start with a script, read the pretty version and have the marked-down one for my use. The script goes up as the text tutorial. Do my video editing in Adobe Premiere. 7:55 – Question from panel. 8:52 – Panelist: I have found that extremely hard to do. 9:29 – Chuck talks about his process of recording his tutorials. Chuck: I don’t have a script; I just walk through it as I am going along. You can get it transcribed, which I have done in the past. I have a license for Adobe Premiere. 11:04 – Panelist: I never recorded a tutorial before but I have written a lot of blog posts. I reviewed it, and reviewing it is a very interesting take. I learn a lot in the process. The things cement in my mind while reviewing. Videos you have the real-time thing going on. 12:00 – Guest adds additional comments. 13:39 – Chuck chimes in. Chuck: We really appreciate you leaving the mistakes in. 14:11 – Guest: Yes, they watch you debug. 14:20 – Panelist: Most of your tutorials are beginner focused, right? 14:23 – Guest: Yes. Christopher goes into detail here. 17:13 – Chuck chimes in. Chuck: My thought is to learn x, y, z in 1 hour. 17:35 – Guest: People are attracted to shorter tutorials. 5-minute React. Don’t build an 84 tutorial course. They are built up to digestible chunks. It’s not wall-to-wall coding, because that would seem overwhelming to me. Let’s learn something in a bite-size chunk. 18:41 – Panelist: Egghead. Because of their guidelines they do good work. 1-5 minutes long tutorials. You can get a good run-down and a good introduction. 19:24 – Panelist: You can find it really easy. You don’t need a 1-hour video. 19:40 – Chuck: Yeah, to break it up in small sections. People will see this in my e-book course. 20:02 – Panelist: Do people give you a lot of feedback? What parts of this React course do people have most difficulty with? 20:21 – Guest: It’s not React based, it’s actually other issues. 210:6 – Guest: Redux. 21:53 – Guest: What’s the best way to use props? Where should I put my Logic versus... 22:15 – Panelist: This is very similar when I teach... 22:46 – Guest: I have seen people say that if you truly see how this works in JavaScript then you really understand how JavaScript works. React can be confusing if you are using class-based components. You have to use binder or error functions, etc. It becomes confusing at times. Another area you mentioned was state: component state or your application state. Two different things, but they interact with each other. Understanding the difference between the two. Should I store it in this store or...? 24:09 – Digital Ocean Advertisement. 24:47 – Panelist: Were you doing this as a side thing? How do you keep up in the industry if you aren’t making “real” projects? 25:25 – Guest gives his answer plus his background with companies, clients, and programs. Guest: I really wanted to build my own company, when I was thinking of ideas I came across some great brainstorming ideas. I have a lot of traffic coming to these tutorials. I really liked giving something back to the web development community. I liked interacting with people and getting them to their “Ah Ha!” moment. It’s able to support me and helps me moving forward. I follow a ton of people on Twitter – the React team. I pay a ton of attention to what people are looking to learn. I play around those things for my own edification. I pick up some contract work and it helps me to stay current. It’s always a culmination for things. Part of the job is not to fall behind. If you are creating tutorials you have to reteach yourself things as things changes. 28:46 – Panelist asks another question. How do you get new leads and new customers? 20:02 – Guest answers questions. Guest: I was on a mentality if “I build it they will come.” This isn’t the best mentality. That was not a good approach. I started working with a consultant: how do we get this out to people? No ads, no subscription service. My e-mail list. I have gone from 1,600 to 4,600 people on my email list. Find the people who are interested. 32:52 – Guest: Find your voice, and how you choose to deliver your information. Text? Video? Or both? What do you want to teach? Don’t teach what you think will sell the most. It’s more important to be excited an interested what you are teaching. 34:05 – Panelist: When I am teaching something I try to remember of the feeling when I was learning it. For example, Harrison Ford. What was I thinking? How did I learn this concept? 35:01 – Guest: When I learned React it was because a client asked me to learn it. 4-6 weeks of exhausting terror and me trying to learn this to make useful code for this client. In about that time (4-6 weeks) “Oh I understand what I am doing now!” We are still on good terms today with this said client. When I am trying to learn something, the next level is here is a blog, and comments. There aren’t a lot of intermediary steps. They explain every kind of step. I took a similar approach with my other course. That’s informed by my own experience when learning these different technologies. 37:08 – Guest: Yes – check out my newsletter, and my new resource every week. Follow me at Twitter or my personal Twitter where I talk about the NBA too much. Email me if you have any questions. 38:11 – Chuck: Anything else? Okay, picks! 38:24 – Chuck’s Advertisement for His Course! 39:01 – Picks! Links: Kendo UI Ruby on Rails Angular Get A Coder Job Redux Adobe Premiere Close Brace Five Minute React Egghead State of JavaScript Statecharts James R. Nelson Christopher Buecheler’s Website Christopher Buecheler’s Books Christopher Buecheler’s Twitter Christopher Buecheler’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Kendo UI Digital Ocean Get A Coder Job Picks: Charles Pre-Sale: Get A Coder Job DevChat TV Website – Notion.So Lucas Statecharts Nader Book Title: Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Matthew Desmond Author is a sociologist. Going through their day-to-day lives of these low-income families. A lot of it has to do with a room over their head. How they struggle and how poverty goes from one generation to the next. Christopher Shout-Out to a friend – Christopher’s Site 5-Minute React Videos

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry Special Guests: Rahul Mahale In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks to Rahul Mahale. Rahul is a Senior DevOps Engineer at BigBinary in India. He has also worked with SecureDB Inc., Tiny Owl, Winjit Technologies among others. In addition, he attended the University of Pune. The panel and the guest talk about Kubernetes. Show Topics: 1:25 – Swag.com for t-shirts and mugs, etc. for Ruby Rogues / DevChat.tv. 1:49 – Chuck: Why are you famous? 1:57 – Guest’s background. 4:35 – Chuck: Kubernetes – Anyone play with this? 4:49 – Panelist: Yes. Funny situation, I was working with Heroku. Heroku is very costly, but great. The story continues... 6:13 – Panelist: I was so overwhelmed with how difficult it was to launch a simple website. Now, that being said we were using the Amazon EKS, which is the Kubernetes. They don’t have nearly as much good tools, but that’s my experience. 6:48 – Chuck: I haven’t tried Kubernetes. 8:58 – Rahul: I would like to add a few comments. Managing Kubernetes service is not a big deal at the moment, but... 11:19 – Panelist: You wouldn’t recommend people using Kubernetes unless they were well versed? What is that term? 11:40 – Rahul: Not anyone could use the Kubernetes cluster. Let’s offer that complexity to another company that can handle and mange it. 13:02 – The guest continues this conversation. 14:02 – Panelist: I didn’t know that Kubernetes needed different nodes. 14:28 – Rahul continues this topic. 15:05 – What hardware requirements do they need? 15:19 – Rahul: Yes, they do need a good system. Good amount of memory. Good network space. 15:45 – Panelist asks Rahul a question.  16:30 – Rahul: Let’s answer this into two parts. Kubernetes topic is being discussed in detail. 18:41 – Chuck adds comments and asks a question. 18:58 – Rahul talks about companies and programs. Check out this timestamp to hear his thoughts. 20:42 – Another company is mentioned added to this conversation. 21:55 – Additional companies mentioned: Google, Microsoft, IBM, etc. (Rahul) 22:14 – Chuck: It’s interesting how much community plays a role into success stories. Whether or not it’s best technologies it comes down to where there are enough people to help me if I don’t know what to do. 22:43 – Rahul: People, even enterprises, are there. 23:15 – Chuck: At what point (let’s say I docked my app) should they be looking at Kubernetes? Are you waiting on traffic? How do you make that call? 23:56 – Rahul answers the questions. 26:29 – Rahul: If your application is... 27:13 – Announcement – Digital Ocean! 27:51 – Chuck: How does someone get started with Kubernetes? 27:53 – Rahul answers the question. 30:00 – Chuck: It sounds like you have an amateur setup – Dave? 30:21 – Dave: I think the problem is that there is not a Kubernetes for dummies blog post. There has always been some sort of “gottcha!” As much as these documents say that there are solutions here and there, but you will see that there are networking issues. Once you get that up and running, then there are more issues at hand. The other strange thing is that once everything seems to be working okay, and then I started getting connectivity issues. It’s definitely not an afternoon project. It takes researching and googling. At the end, it takes a direction at large that the community is investing into. 32:58 – Chuck makes additional comments. 33:21 – Dave adds more comments. Sorry bad joke – Dave. 33:40 – Topic – Virtualization. 34:32 – Having Swamp is a good idea. 34:44 – Rahul adds his comments. 36:54 – Panelist talks about virtualization and scaling. 37:45 – Rahul adds in comments about the ecosystems. 38:21 – Panelist talks about server-less functions.  39:11 – Rahul: Not every application can... 40:32 – Panelist: I guess the whole downside to... 41:07 – Rahul talks about this. 43:03 – Chuck to Eric: Any problems with Kubernetes for you? 43:05 – Eric: Yes – just spelling it! For me it feels like you are in a jet with all of these different buttons. There are 2 different types of developers. I am of DevOps-minded. That’s why we are getting solutions, and tools like Heroku to help. When I listen to this conversation, I feel quiet only because you guys are talking about spiders and I’m afraid of spiders. 44:44 – Dave to Eric: Having information and knowledge about Kubernetes will help you as a developer. Having some awareness can really help you as a developer. 45:43 – Chuck: There are all these options to know about it – they way he is talking about it sounds like it’s the person on the jet. Don’t touch the red button and don’t’ cut the wrong wire! It feels like with software – it’s a beautiful thing – you erase it and reinstall it! 46:50 – Dave: What? What are all of these crazy words?! What does this exactly mean? The visibility is definitely not there for someone who is just tinkering with it. 47:16 – Rahul: It’s not for someone who is tinkering with it. Definitely. 50:02 – Chuck: We have been talking about benefits of Kubernetes – great. What kinds of processes to setup with Kubernetes to make your life easier? 50:40 Rahul answers the question. 53:54 – Rahul’s Social Media Accounts – check them out under LINKS. 54:29 – Get a Coder Job Course Links: T-Shirts for Ruby Rogues! Get a Coder Job Course Ruby JavaScript Phoenix Heroku Amazon EKS Kubernetes Kubernetes Engine Kubernetes Setup AKS Kubernetes – Creating a single master cluster... Kubernetes GitHub Docker Rancher Learn Kubernetes Using Interactive...by Ben Hall Podcast – All Things Devops Nanobox Cloud 66 Chef Puppet Ansible Salt Stack Orange Computers Rahul Mahale’s Blog Rahul’s Talks and Workshops Rahul Mahale’s LinkedIn Rahul Mahale’s Facebook Rahul Mahale’s Kubernetes Workshop via YouTube Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Charles Conference Game – TerraGenesis – Space Colony Book – The One Thing Dave Orange Computers Eric Cloud 66 Nanobox Rahul Podcast – All Things Devops Kubernetes

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry Special Guests: Rahul Mahale In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks to Rahul Mahale. Rahul is a Senior DevOps Engineer at BigBinary in India. He has also worked with SecureDB Inc., Tiny Owl, Winjit Technologies among others. In addition, he attended the University of Pune. The panel and the guest talk about Kubernetes. Show Topics: 1:25 – Swag.com for t-shirts and mugs, etc. for Ruby Rogues / DevChat.tv. 1:49 – Chuck: Why are you famous? 1:57 – Guest’s background. 4:35 – Chuck: Kubernetes – Anyone play with this? 4:49 – Panelist: Yes. Funny situation, I was working with Heroku. Heroku is very costly, but great. The story continues... 6:13 – Panelist: I was so overwhelmed with how difficult it was to launch a simple website. Now, that being said we were using the Amazon EKS, which is the Kubernetes. They don’t have nearly as much good tools, but that’s my experience. 6:48 – Chuck: I haven’t tried Kubernetes. 8:58 – Rahul: I would like to add a few comments. Managing Kubernetes service is not a big deal at the moment, but... 11:19 – Panelist: You wouldn’t recommend people using Kubernetes unless they were well versed? What is that term? 11:40 – Rahul: Not anyone could use the Kubernetes cluster. Let’s offer that complexity to another company that can handle and mange it. 13:02 – The guest continues this conversation. 14:02 – Panelist: I didn’t know that Kubernetes needed different nodes. 14:28 – Rahul continues this topic. 15:05 – What hardware requirements do they need? 15:19 – Rahul: Yes, they do need a good system. Good amount of memory. Good network space. 15:45 – Panelist asks Rahul a question.  16:30 – Rahul: Let’s answer this into two parts. Kubernetes topic is being discussed in detail. 18:41 – Chuck adds comments and asks a question. 18:58 – Rahul talks about companies and programs. Check out this timestamp to hear his thoughts. 20:42 – Another company is mentioned added to this conversation. 21:55 – Additional companies mentioned: Google, Microsoft, IBM, etc. (Rahul) 22:14 – Chuck: It’s interesting how much community plays a role into success stories. Whether or not it’s best technologies it comes down to where there are enough people to help me if I don’t know what to do. 22:43 – Rahul: People, even enterprises, are there. 23:15 – Chuck: At what point (let’s say I docked my app) should they be looking at Kubernetes? Are you waiting on traffic? How do you make that call? 23:56 – Rahul answers the questions. 26:29 – Rahul: If your application is... 27:13 – Announcement – Digital Ocean! 27:51 – Chuck: How does someone get started with Kubernetes? 27:53 – Rahul answers the question. 30:00 – Chuck: It sounds like you have an amateur setup – Dave? 30:21 – Dave: I think the problem is that there is not a Kubernetes for dummies blog post. There has always been some sort of “gottcha!” As much as these documents say that there are solutions here and there, but you will see that there are networking issues. Once you get that up and running, then there are more issues at hand. The other strange thing is that once everything seems to be working okay, and then I started getting connectivity issues. It’s definitely not an afternoon project. It takes researching and googling. At the end, it takes a direction at large that the community is investing into. 32:58 – Chuck makes additional comments. 33:21 – Dave adds more comments. Sorry bad joke – Dave. 33:40 – Topic – Virtualization. 34:32 – Having Swamp is a good idea. 34:44 – Rahul adds his comments. 36:54 – Panelist talks about virtualization and scaling. 37:45 – Rahul adds in comments about the ecosystems. 38:21 – Panelist talks about server-less functions.  39:11 – Rahul: Not every application can... 40:32 – Panelist: I guess the whole downside to... 41:07 – Rahul talks about this. 43:03 – Chuck to Eric: Any problems with Kubernetes for you? 43:05 – Eric: Yes – just spelling it! For me it feels like you are in a jet with all of these different buttons. There are 2 different types of developers. I am of DevOps-minded. That’s why we are getting solutions, and tools like Heroku to help. When I listen to this conversation, I feel quiet only because you guys are talking about spiders and I’m afraid of spiders. 44:44 – Dave to Eric: Having information and knowledge about Kubernetes will help you as a developer. Having some awareness can really help you as a developer. 45:43 – Chuck: There are all these options to know about it – they way he is talking about it sounds like it’s the person on the jet. Don’t touch the red button and don’t’ cut the wrong wire! It feels like with software – it’s a beautiful thing – you erase it and reinstall it! 46:50 – Dave: What? What are all of these crazy words?! What does this exactly mean? The visibility is definitely not there for someone who is just tinkering with it. 47:16 – Rahul: It’s not for someone who is tinkering with it. Definitely. 50:02 – Chuck: We have been talking about benefits of Kubernetes – great. What kinds of processes to setup with Kubernetes to make your life easier? 50:40 Rahul answers the question. 53:54 – Rahul’s Social Media Accounts – check them out under LINKS. 54:29 – Get a Coder Job Course Links: T-Shirts for Ruby Rogues! 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