Always and Forever l A One Tree Hill Podcast

Yesterday, we received news via Deadline about a One Tree Hill reboot coming to Netflix, with Hilarie Burton Morgan, Sophia Bush and Danneel Ackles producing the series and reprising their roles from the OG. Of course, we had to record an emergency podcast to unpack this! We chat about our complicated feelings about this. Will it do the characters justice? What about Haley? How would it continue if some of the original cast were not to return? How are they navigating the fact that He Who Shall Not Be Named will get credit? Also, we talk about how this show could potentially center on Rachel Gatina, rather than Brooke and Peyton. Let us know your thoughts on social media!Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're ready to PAR-TAY at the Scott house! In our discussion of S4E14: Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers, we unpack Dan's motives in getting close to Lucas and Karen, Nathan's visit to Deb in rehab and our conflicting feelings about what he says to her, Leyton's healthy and trusting relationship, and Peyton and Brooke's slow reconciliation. Kaitlyn swoons over Leyton's redo of the scene from season 1…but they still get interrupted and she desperately wants them to finally have their moment! We also discuss how Haley bitch slaps Rachel (and Jeremy thinks it's not as satisfying as it could've been earlier in the season!), the Shelly and Mouth sex scene, and THAT twist ending that almost feels like fan fiction. And oh, btw we're canceling Naley's unborn baby. K bye. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Content Warning: Many tears are shed during our discussion on this fan-favorite episode, S4E13: Pictures of You! We unpack all of the labels and even label ourselves as how we would've been seen in high school. We dissect the heck out of all the different character pairings, including how fun it is to see Haley and Skills together, why Peyton doesn't get to share anything with depth, and why Bevin and Rachel are even included in this episode (although, we do love Bevin's speech!). We also touch on our high school reunion, our friendship through the years, and the coincidental timing of Sophia Bush coming out as queer in real time and we discuss Brooke's ICONIC picture! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

IT'S TRICKYYYYY! In our episode on S4E12: Resolve, we discuss Nathan's strip dance to raise money, how refreshing it is to see Leyton so happy, and Brooke's new experiences with Chase, which are so different from any other guy she's been with before! We also unpack the Clean Teens crisis, the calculus test scandal and why the student council president (aka Brooke) is called into the meeting, Deb's mental health crisis, and the fact that Dan is the absolute worst. We also reflect on the beauty of long television show seasons that make it possible to get extra, “filler” content.  Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Join us as we enjoy some chicken noodle soup with extra noodle and discuss One Tree Hill S4E11: Everything in Its Right Place! We unpack the Clean Teens slut-shaming, Gigi's breakup with Mouth (and wonder about the writing behind her character), Peyton's fear of being left again, and Nathan's big confession to Haley and the nuances of this storyline. We also share our frustration with Deb's portrayal and her lack of character development and of course swoon over the Leyton scene at the very end! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

It's an alternate reality in One Tree Hill S4E10: Songs to Love and Die By and we have very different opinions about this episode! Kaitlyn likes the episode's structure and overall message, but Jeremy questions all the plot holes and whether another character would have worked better in Lucas' role. Are you Team Kaitlyn or Team Jeremy?! We also discuss the heck out of Craig Sheffer's return (yay!), Max the record store guy (ugh!), and Brooke and Peyton's heartbreaking moment under the bridge. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Folks, we've FINALLY made it to S4E9: Some You Give Away, aka the State Championship episode! We discuss Lucas' reaction to Peyton's confession and the extra line that was added to the scene, Brooke actually failing calculus instead of Rachel, all the campy cheerleader scenes, and our two different views about Karen taking Deb to rehab. And of course we unpack the heck out of the Ravens' win and Lucas making the final shot, Lucas and Peyton's epic confetti kiss, and ALL of the action in the coda! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

We may be a little unhinged in this episode on S4E8: Nothing Left to Say but Goodbye, but there is so much to unpack! We discuss if calculus is really a requirement in high school, our conflicted feelings about Dan and Karen finally making amends after all these years, and the growing divide between Brooke and Peyton, including the directing choices used with their characters in this episode. Kaitlyn shares that she's officially over the love triangle between Lucas, Brooke, and Peyton, BUT Brooke wanting a second chance with Lucas is actually a realistic situation after a break up. Jeremy points out that Peyton has changed in how she deals with adversity. And finally, GIVE BARRY CORBIN MORE WORK! Whitey's banquet speech gave us ALL the feels.  Watch the promo that Kaitlyn reacts to live at the 32:13 mark here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsZ-xOUy9go  Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Join us for a rather loopy episode of Always and Forever (we apologize!) where we discuss ALL the icky storylines in S4E7: All These Things That I've Done! We continue our conversations that we've had all season so far…Peyton is traumatized and desperately needs therapy or support from her MIA dad, loan sharks should not take advantage of teenagers, and the fact that Mr. Chavez is a predator, but the show refuses to address it. On a lighter note, we discuss CariDee English's guest role on OTH after winning a challenge on America's Next Top Model, Deb's brush with the law (funny, but also icky), the 2000s fashion trend of layering shirts, and Haley's babysitting adventures. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Check out our most recent Spoiler Central episode on Anti-Choice Narratives in One Tree Hill. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

We are coming in hot with the hot takes in our discussion of S4E6: Where Did You Sleep Last Night? First, we wonder where the heck all of Peyton's friends are after the traumatic event in the previous episode and why therapy isn't a critical aspect of this storyline (yes, we are a broken record!). We call out the real Derek for needing to have more empathy for Peyton, but appreciate the twist at the end with Derek secretly watching out for her. We also unpack the cringiness of the Brooke and Mr. Chavez storyline, wonder how Haley and Nathan actually exist on just one cafe job, and seriously question if people care THAT much about *high school* basketball that they actually bet on it?! And finally, Kaitlyn calls out Karen (gasp!) for her crappy advice to Haley that lacks any practical tips and furthers the anti-choice narrative already present in this season. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Kaitlyn and Jeremy provide an update on their lives and on the future of the podcast. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Check out our most recent Spoiler Central episode on the Top “Horror Movie” Episodes of One Tree Hill! Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Friends, buckle your seatbelts and get ready for a One Tree Hill horror show because we are discussing S4E5: I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness! We unpack the Psycho Derek storyline and how effective of a horror show it still is, the real Derek surprise, and Jeremy considers if the episode would have been even stronger if the WHOLE episode had horror themes, similar to what Dawson's Creek did. Kaitlyn shares her hot take that it's unfair that Haley tells Nathan she's pregnant at the same time he tells her that he got a scholarship from Duke. We both wonder why the heck Haley would then go to Dan to discuss the pregnancy and Duke news?! And we also discuss Rachel's classy response to Nathan when he tells her that Haley is preggos (YAAS girl!), the dying art of email (lol), and the Nick teacher surprise (ew). And when you're done, find out where this episode ranks in our most recent Spoiler Central episode, where we discuss the Top “Horror Movie” Episodes of One Tree Hill! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

It's in the water, baby! We're discussing One Tree Hill S4E4, “Can't Stop This Thing We Started” aka the one where we learn that we have been gaslit into thinking Brooke (Sophia Bush) was pregnant when it was actually Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz)! It's also when we get further confirmation that Derek (Matt Barr) has far from brotherly love for Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan); get introduced to Shelley (Elisabeth Harnois), the Clean Teens and some problematic anti-choice narratives; and DebRoe (Barbara Alyn Woods/Moira Kelly) continues to be on the outs. Also, Rachel (Danneel Ackles) poses for Maxim and we're both feeling very bisexual about it (Don't worry, we do unpack some of the problematic aspects from behind the scenes as well). We also discuss: The episode's namesake, “Can't Stop This Thing We Started” by Bryan Adams. Portrayals of addiction Whether the “pregnancy twist” works. Is Dan (Paul Johansson) complicated or just a terrible person? Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) rejoining the Ravens. Alternate portrayals of abortions and miscarriages in media (Jeremy gives shoutouts to Jane the Virgin, The Bold Type, and 90210!) Lucas' growing suspicions of Derek Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our spoiler-ful mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Big news but keep it on the BLT! We are discussing the 69th episode of One Tree Hill! In S4E3, “Good News for People Who Love Bad News.” Everyone is really mean and annoying in this episode, especially Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Mouth (Lee Norris). As Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) connects with her half brother (Matt Barr), Rachel (Danneel Ackles) reveals that she knows who is pregnant! Meanwhile, Skills (Antwon Tanner) is doing incredibly well on The Ravens despite Whitey (Barry Corbin) keeping him down! We also discuss: The episode's namesake, the album “Good News for People Who Love Bad News” by Modest Mouse. The pacing being off during the beginning of this season. Is there bad blood between Haley and Peyton? A callback to the end of summer beach party, what what!? Whether Brooke ever fought for Lucas. Racism and Whitey's sudden lack of knowledge about white supremacy. Is Skills replacing Tim? Skills being the voice of reason while Antwon Tanner gets his coins for being a series regular. Weird deleted scenes. How Dan needs to leave Karen alone. Rachel and Nathan bonding unnecessarily and — again — how this story could've been much better. We promise you there are episodes we like this season! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our spoiler-ful mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Cooper (Michael Trucco) is alive and well…but your podcast hosts are not during their discussion of One Tree Hill S4E2, “Things I Forgot at Birth.” Listeners, we are not loving this season so far but we promise our discussion is great! As Brooke (Sophia Bush) celebrates her 18th birthday, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) tries to win her back. Meanwhile, Dan (Paul Johansson) is rattled with guilt and Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) is back on drugs again. Also, why does Karen (Moira Kelly) still have a crib after 17 years and what is going on with Rachel's (Danneel Ackles) attraction to Nathan (James Lafferty)? At least Skills (Antwon Tanner) is getting more screen time. Our totally deep analysis of the episode's namesake “Things I Forgot at Birth,” the album by The Absentee. The fact that this is Cooper's final episode of the series! Rachel's Fatal Attraction-type deal with Nathan and how it would've been much more interesting if this was a hero worship syndrome story. The unnecessary supernatural elements. The lack of nuance in Deb's addiction storyline (And how other shows did storylines like this better…and worse). Peyton opening up to others…but what's up with Derek? Lucas fulfilling the Keith role for Skills. The math not mathing for Brooke's birthday. Our best birthdays. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our spoiler-ful mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Tree Hill is just a place somewhere in the world … maybe it's a lot like your world. Maybe it's nothing like it but if you look closer you might see someone like you or someone like Haley James Scott (Bethany Joy Lenz). If you're married, a senior in high school and not sure if your husband is still alive, then I'd say your world is a lot like Haley's. THIS IS RELATABLE! OK! We're back with One Tree Hill S4E1: The Same Deep Water As You! In this episode, someone is pregnant; lives hang in the balance; Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) is back on drugs; Nathan (James Lafferty) is having some serious PTSD that we're sure the show will deal with responsibly; Brooke (Sophia Bush) breaks up with Lucas (Chad Michael Murray); Dan (Paul Johannson) is still feeling guilt; Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) has a mysterious half brother; and Rachel (Danneel Ackles) and Skills (Antwon Tanner) are series regulars! Also, this all happens in one day and none of the characters seem a little tired. During our discussion, we talk about: Jeremy's hyperfixation on the characters being soooo tan, despite the episode taking place the same day as the third season finale How the show is on a new network now (“Hey, remember that time my birth mother came to town and her death traumatized me?”) Whether Lucas is a good writer Joy's acting during the opening scene ACAB (trust us, it comes up) Brooke's ability to move once again with zero plans on where to stay Our evolving thoughts on Brucas' breakup Whether Skills could actually join the basketball team and get a scholarship this late in the school year Deb and Dan's characterization being inconsistent with last season, and how frustrated we are with Deb's new direction Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our spoiler-ful mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

On Sept. 23, 2003, One Tree Hill aired its pilot episode on The WB and we were introduced to rival half brothers Lucas Scott (Chad Michael Murray) and Nathan Scott (James Lafferty) as they compete for a spot on the Tree Hill High basketball team and for the affections of Peyton Sawyer (Hilarie Burton Morgan). We wanted to celebrate the occasion by returning back to the beginning. In this audio commentary, we are rewatching season one, episode one along with YOU, the listener. While listening to our podcast, make sure you have the One Tree Hill pilot episode queued up on your device. Listen to us as we count down and hit the “play” button to watch the episode together. We will then reminisce over times when OTH was trying to be 8 Mile, Moira Kelly was hiding her pregnancy, Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) was written as a manic pixie dream girl, and the entire cast was BABIES! Plus, we lament the pilot's lack of Brooke Davis (Sophia Bush) and Gavin DeGraw and get emotional over the sight of Keith Scott (Craig Sheffer) and Jimmy Edwards (Colin Fickes). It's hard to believe we are celebrating the 20th anniversary of One Tree Hill! We're so grateful this show inspired nearly two decades of conversations between us both on and off mic. And we're even more grateful for the listeners who have stuck with us. Whether you have started listening back when this was our pandemic project in mid 2020 or if this is your first episode, THANK YOU! We couldn't have done it without you! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Take us away because we're celebrating the 20th anniversary of Freaky Friday (2003), the iconic Disney flick starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan as a mother and daughter who swap bodies and are forced to live in each other's shoes. Throughout their day, they have their run-ins with school bullies, interesting therapy clientele, and love interests while navigating talk show appearances, wedding rehearsal dinners and band auditions. Buckle in for this episode because it starts off with Kaitlyn and Jeremy swapping bodies, themselves! Plus, since we're talking about a Disney movie, Jeremy tries not to use any naughty words. The results are interesting. During our discussion of Freaky Friday (2003), we talk about: Comparisons to the other versions of Freaky Friday, including the 1972 novel by Mary Rodgers, 1976 original film starring Barbara Harris and Jodie Foster, the 1995 made-for-TV film starring Shelley Long and Gaby Hoffmann, the 2016 stage musical starring Heidi Blickenstaff and Emma Hunton, and the 2018 Disney Channel Original Movie starring Blickenstaff and Cozi Zuehlsdorff. How the “body-swap genre” works better in TV and film vs. books, plus callbacks to memorable body-swap stories on Charmed and (of course) Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Chad Michael Murray rocking long hair. Is it ethical for Jake to date Anna? Is Jake even a student?? Problematic depictions about mental health and the use of the word “crazy” in an ableist context. Racist Asian stereotypes behind Pei Pei (Rosalind Chao), Pei Pei's mom (Lucille Soong), and the staff of the House of Chang restaurant. Surprise! The Pink Slit song, “Take Me Away,” performed by Christina Vidal is actually a cover of a song by the Australian alternative punk rock group, Lash. Justice for Christina Vidal's one-season wonder Nickelodeon television show, Taina! Our personal experiences with “earthquakes” (note the giant air quotes!). More talk about how Gen Z doesn't use flat sheets, for some reason. How the Stacey (Julie Gonzalo) character doesn't really receive her comeuppance...except she does in a deleted scene that we didn't know about until after we finished recording. Kaitlyn getting very offended seeing a teacher do a crossword puzzle in the teacher's lounge. Jamie Lee Curtis being gender goals. This movie's connection to the original Freaky Friday film from 1976. The Bowling for Soup cover of “...Baby One More Time,” which triggers lots of Britney Spears talk. That time Chad Michael Murray made out with Jamie Lee Curtis (Quick fact check: Jeremy incorrectly stated that the interview was with Entertainment Tonight. It was actually Busy Tonight!) Whether this movie really needed Chad Michael Murray's character. A potential Freaky Friday 2? You can listen to the full episode by subscribing at the $5 level over at patreon.com/alwaysothpod. We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.   Listen to our previous episodes of Baker Soundstage below: Scream (2022) The Notebook A Cinderella Story John Tucker Must Die

We're excited to announce our first official book club, where we will be chatting about Hilarie Burton Morgan's memoir, "The Rural Diaries"! In our Discord server, we will have a dedicated channel where we can share our thoughts as we read (or re-read) and it will culminate in a video chat on Thursday, Aug. 10 at 7pm EST/4pm PST/ 6pm CST/2pm UK (which means, we can say "We'll be seeing ya" and mean it literally this time!). This club, which is available exclusively to our $5 patrons, will be our first book club as a podcast (and the first book club Jeremy has EVER been in) and we are so excited to talk about all of the Love, Livestock, and Big Life Lessons Down on Mischief Farm with you!   We'll be seeing ya (AND you'll be seeing us)!   Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

We're here, folks. It's the end of the season that got Kaitlyn hooked on One Tree Hill and the end of the season that both of your hosts call their favorite season of the entire series. But our journey through this amazing teen drama is just beginning because S3E22, The Show Must Go On, leaves us with so many cliffhangers as Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) head to the altar! Will things ever be the same between Brooke (Sophia Bush), Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) and Lucas (Chad Michael Murray)? Who wrote “murderer” on Dan's (Paul Johansson) wall? Will Karen (Moira Kelly), who is now pregnant with Keith's child, ever learn the truth about Dan? Who is pregnant? Will Rachel (Danneel Ackles) and Cooper (Michael Trucco) survive from their limo dropping into the water? Will Nathan? Will Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) ever stop being so freaking iconic?? Just kidding. We know Deb will always be iconic. So we can rest easy knowing that she will continue being fabulous after confessing to attempted murder. The episode title's connection to its namesake, Queen's “The Show Must Go On,” including how it chronicles Freddie Mercury's efforts to continue performing as he was dying. Plus, the title may have been a subtle message to send network executives. Give Sophia Bush an Emmy, already! The full-circle moment from the third season premiere (Please forgive Jeremy for only mentioning Ellie and Keith as the only deaths in season 3, and completely forgetting about Jimmy!) Myspace memories. Gen Z, for those who don't know, Myspace was a website like Twitter and Facebook, but fun. Our evolving feelings on Brucas, including a shocking confession from Jeremy and a connection to Taylor Swift's “Out of the Woods” from Kaitlyn. Brooke's (some deserved, some not) pettiness toward Peyton. Does Brooke really love Lucas? Deb's iconic version of “Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me.” Why did Karen tell Dan she was pregnant? The use of The Snow Patrol song, “Chasing Cars,” and how music supervisor Lindsay Wolfington secured it for this episode before the song's actual release. How safe we feel with Naley right now (also how in the heck did they afford this wedding!?) How Gavin DeGraw's “More Than Anyone” was selected by viewers to be Nathan and Haley's first dance song. The fallout from Cooper and Rachel. The iconic CODA featuring the Led Zeppelin song, “Babe I'm Gonna Leave You,” and a brief history of the band's reluctance to license its songs out for TV and film We may not be returning until September for season four but we couldn't wait that long to watch S4E1, "The Same Deep Water As You"! On Sunday, June 4 at 2pm EST, we will be hosting a live watch of the episode in our Discord server for our patrons at the $2 level and above! Click here for more information on how to join us and other listeners as we chat about all of the cliffhanger resolutions and so much more! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

It took longer to edit this episode than it took Brooke to make Haley's wedding dress, so we hope you enjoy it! In One Tree Hill S3E21: Over the Hills and Far Away, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Karen (Moira Kelly) return home to Tree Hill as the gang prepares for Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley's (Bethany Joy Lenz) wedding day. And Brooke (Sophia Bush) is somehow able to organize a rehearsal party (with skits!), make TWO wedding dresses, fight with Haley about the dresses, and go shopping with her bff Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan). Actually…are Brooke and Peyton still bffs? Jake (Bryan Greenberg) and Peyton break up after the two realize that she still has feelings for Lucas, which Peyton confesses to Brooke. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT!? In other news, Rachel (Danneel Ackles) is upset that Cooper (Michael Trucco) isn't returning her phone calls. Also, Marcus (Marcus Coloma) returns and shows the gang that he has changed since the day they were taken hostage in the tutor center. Seeing that a jerk like Marcus could change inspires Haley to invite Dan (Paul Johansson) to the wedding.  We can't believe we're at the penultimate episode of season three! Below are some topics and hot takes from our episode: It's a shame that Marcus didn't get to have more episodes (and the actor would've been a much better Felix). Lucas and Karen's road trip. Was Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) a little too mean to Rachel? Why does this show love non-linear storytelling so much? The reasons for Jake and Peyton's breakup are not good enough reasons to end a relationship (not to mention this storyline feels forced). Kaitlyn, the pod's #1 Leyton shipper, also doesn't like the Jeyton breakup! One host has future plans for a Naley-style rehearsal party. The skits at Nathan and Haley's rehearsal party, which Kaitlyn finds to be awkward and Jeremy finds to be amazing. What do you dear listeners think? Kaitlyn squeals and unpacks her love for the Leyton clip show toward the end of the episode. Why was Haley the one who got to go on this arc that ended with her choosing to invite Dan to the wedding? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Nathan to have gone through this journey? Who do the princess and the boy represent in Jake's storybook? Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Hope we can alleviate the Sunday Scaries for you with our discussion on One Tree Hill S3E20: Everyday Is a Sunday Evening, a very strange episode that wants us to think that Lucas (Chad Michael Murray, who did not appear in this episode) is either super important or not important at all for the show (at least those are Jeremy's thoughts). It's the playoffs and Nathan (James Lafferty) tries to lead the Ravens to success against the undefeated Oak Lake, despite pressure from the team's lead player Damien West (Joshua Snyder). Plus Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Mouth (Lee Norris) plot revenge against Rachel (Danneel Ackles) for breaking Mouth's heart after learning she lied about her age to get with Cooper (Michael Trucco). Plus Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) reunites with Jake (Bryan Greenberg) and Jenny, effectively reigniting the Jeyton fireworks! Plus, Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) and Nathan issue a restraining order against Dan (Paul Johannson). In this episode, we discuss: The title's namesake, an album by the Blackouts Fun facts about Chad Michael Murray's absence, including how he was filming the movie Home of the Brave The misleading promos that lead you to believe Lucas was going to be hooking up with Rachel and that Dan was going to burn his old house down Damien West actor Joshua Snyder's baking brand with his wife, Angela Kinsey (Angela Martin from The Office), and the rabbit hole Jeremy went down to learn about this Damien's strange parallel to Dan and how he harasses Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz), in a storyline where she has absolutely no agency The weird objectification of Rachel The high camp levels between Brooke and Rachel Oh remember that fight Brooke and Mouth had a few episodes ago? Don't worry. This episode forgot about it too! Whether Rachel actually knew that Cooper was the uncle of one of her classmates Jake's reasoning for wanting to go to Savannah at the end of season one despite this new information that Nicki's parents were also there Dan actually showing real emotions now that he no longer has power over his family The epic CODA of "Look After You" by The Fray Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Since this is our episode on One Tree Hill S3E19, I Slept with Someone in Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me, let's write these show notes in the style of Fall Out Boy song titles. Here we go. This is the one where Hot Uncle Cooper (Michael Trucco) and his biceps return to Tree Hill and so does his sister Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) and it's super interesting for both of them because Cooper is apparently dating a 26-year-old model who is house-sitting for her parents but it's actually the 17-year-old high school student Rachel (Danneel Ackles) which also seemingly drives a wedge between her and Mouth (Lee Norris) who has romantic feelings for her and is defending her against Brooke's (Sophia Bush) very problematic fat-shaming campaign and also this is interesting for Deb because she comes back only to be freezed out by her girlfriend Karen (Moira Kelly) who is still mad that Deb started the fire which caused Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) to try to save Dan (Paul Johannson) but all is well because Whitey (Barry Corbin) gives her a much-needed pep talk, which helps her better support Lucas after he tells her about his HCM oh and while all of this is happening, Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) have to take a test to prove their love for each other for some reason in a random and unnecessary plot point and Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) decides to visit Pete Wentz but in a somewhat shocking twist, she ends up visiting Jake Jaglieski (Bryan Greenberg) and omg it's so romantic.  Does anyone even read these show notes? Because that was pretty good content. Anyway, our chat on this episode includes: The connection to the Fall Out Boy song the episode is named after Kaitlyn's Lit Crit for the episode's opening George Eliot quote, “There is no despair so absolute as that which comes with the first moments of our first great sorrow, when we have not yet known what it is to have suffered and healed, to have despaired and recovered hope.” Rachel's issues with self-esteem, Brooke's revenge plot not equaling the crime, and the episode's weird overall stance on plastic surgery and beauty The show's creator as a stand-in for Mouth and how we reconcile our feelings about Mouth's character arc through “death of the author” Referring to characters as unattractive in a script and whether that can be offensive to the real-life actor playing that character Michael Trucco's body…of work Cooper's character arc and how it influences Lucas The return of DebRoe How this episode may be one of the only episodes of One Tree Hill to address race issues…and it's not the best Peyton's romance with Pete from Fall Out Shelter The epic CODA to Gavin DeGraw's “We Belong Together” Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

CW: Brief mention of suicide at the 17:20 mark. It's a weekend full of riding ATMs, hot tubs, Brooking ourselves, marriage proposals, and making out with Pete from Fall Out Boy in One Tree Hill S3E18, When It Isn't Like It Should Be. Rachel (Danneel Ackles) brings the gang to her parents' cabin in the woods and we finally get some fun moments with these characters after several episodes of trauma. Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) repeatedly loses her wedding ring but little does she know that Nathan (James Lafferty) has a surprise up his sleeve. Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) receives validation when her Snuffleupagus (Pete Wentz) finally shows up to the cabin. Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) have their share of tender moments, and some moments are so “tender” that Brooke gets caught by Rachel in a compromising position. Skills (Antwon Tanner) and Bevin (Bevin Prince) also have sweet moments of their own…even when they get lost in the woods. Meanwhile, Mouth (Lee Norris) is still upset with Rachel for unleashing the time capsule and Karen (Moira Kelly) takes out her frustrations on Dan (Paul Johannson). We chat about the highs and lows of this episode, including: The episode's namesake, “When It Isn't Like It Should Be,” by Saves the Day. Was the quote from Lucas' voiceover (“Be not afraid of life. Believe that life is worth living, and your belief will help create the fact.”) from Henry James or William James?  Nathan and Karen's respective grief and how the characters are addressing it The joys of riding ATMs with the boys Original leaks from this episode claiming that Mouth and Rachel would have sex and that Rachel would reveal she was a virgin during the game of “I Never.” Rachel getting some moments of humanity The brilliant talent of OTH writer Anna Lotto for coming up with the term, “Brooking yourself.” Tender Brucas moments and Jeremy's shocking hot take The awkwardness of Pete Wentz, his acting, and the overall cringe of his relationship with Peyton. Was Dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters originally supposed to date Peyton? Double-sided parasocial relationships (Dan Levy, Jack Quaid, and Tom Holland, go give Jeremy a call if you just happen to be an Always and Forever listener) The epic Naley proposal and the upcoming Tree Hill wedding!  John Steinbeck's quote: “Change comes like a little wind that ruffles the curtains at dawn, and it comes like the stealthy perfume of wildflowers hidden in the grass.” Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

CW: This discussion on One Tree Hill S3E17, Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them, features themes of gun violence and grief. Please take care while listening. In the aftermath of the school shooting, the students of Tree Hill High grapple with the stages of grief (Or do they? This episode's structure is v. messy!). Brooke (Sophia Bush) is feeling insecure about Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan), while not having a clue about the Leyton kiss in the library. Meanwhile, Rachel (Danneel Ackles) confesses to Mouth (Lee Norris) that she was the one who opened the time capsule. And Lucas and Karen (Moira Kelly) grieve over Keith's (Craig Sheffer) death and Lucas grapples with the decision to go to Jimmy's (Colin Fickes) funeral. Not all is grim though because Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) decide to move back in together and Brooke moves in with Peyton!  Our chat on this episode includes: The episode's namesake, the Murder By Death album, Who Will Survive and What Will Be Left of Them Connections to Brittany Ashley's podcast Don't Tell The Babysitter Mom's Dead and the stages of grief, courtesy of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross' On Death and Dying The weird framing of this episode around the stages of grief. Is this supposed to be about Keith's death, Jimmy's death, or both? And would this episode be better if it dealt with the statement of how everyone grieves in their own way and there is no invalid way to grieve? Peyton and Lucas' conversation in the library. Is it a little mean? Why would you make a joke about a kiss when you have a history like Leyton's!? Whether Naley is too sappy or too adorable Mouth's weird portrayal of being considered as at the bottom of the totem pole…when he has SO MANY friends from various social circles. Plus, Lee Norris is not an unattractive guy. The downsides of toxic positivity A lot of talk about beds for some reason (Gen Z listeners, send us the proper emoji in response to our question we ask about flat sheets) How this episode aired 10 days (!) after the episode of Grey's Anatomy, featuring The Fray's How To Save A Life. What a pop culture moment! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

CW: This podcast episode includes frank discussions on gun violence, bullying, mental health and suicide. Please take care while listening. And a reminder that if you need to speak with someone, you can call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Help is available 24/7. In this extension of our previous episode, we are joined by Gavi Kovacs, a forensic psychologist and fellow One Tree Hill fan, who helps us unpack the deeper themes of S3E16: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept. We should also note that this episode is fully spoiled and we discuss storylines from the entire series.  Our discussion with Gavi includes:  Jimmy's relationship (or lack thereof) with incel culture Whether this episode is a responsible depiction of school shootings and mental health Various connections to another hit teen show, Degrassi A surprising parallel between Rachel and Jimmy Possible alternate versions of this storyline with Keith and Jimmy How Dan killing Keith is a completely separate storyline that undoes the overall lessons of this episode How much the characters need therapy (especially Peyton) Peyton's possible hero worship syndrome in relation to her kissing Lucas in the library Whether it is wrong to feel sympathy for Jimmy, given the circumstances behind his character We also chat about fun stuff, such as whether Gavi ships Brucas or Leyton (you know we had to slip that in somehow!) and we get a visit from Gavi's dog, Chad Michael Murray (who has an Instagram @chadthepoodle!) Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

CW: This podcast episode on One Tree Hill S3E16: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept, includes frank discussions on gun violence, bullying and suicide. Please take care while listening. And a reminder that if you need to speak with someone, you can call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Help is available 24/7. We're finally here for one of the most important episodes of One Tree Hill. This is the one where Jimmy Edwards (Colin Fickes) brings a gun to school and holds various students hostage in the tutor center, including Nathan (James Lafferty), Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz), Rachel (Danneel Ackles), Skills (Antwon Tanner), and Mouth (Lee Norris). Meanwhile, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) comforts Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan), who is injured from a gunshot wound, in the library. Plus, Brooke (Sophia Bush) is all alone in the gym as she worries about whether her friends are safe. And the episode tragically ends, both with Jimmy's death and Dan (Paul Johansson) shooting Keith (Craig Sheffer). *Sigh* We have A LOT of tears to shed. During our discussion, we talk about: The music, including Michelle Featherstone's “God Bless the Child,” John Nordstrom's amazing score, and the episode's namesake, “With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept,” by Explosions in the Sky. The various behind-the-scenes tidbits revealed during the audio commentary featuring the show's creator, producer Joe Davola, music supervisor Lindsay Wolfington, and stars Colin Fickes, Sophia Bush, and Lee Norris. The numerous new characters, including Marcus (Marcus Coloma), Abby (Allison Scagliotti), and Glenda (Amber Wallace). Sophia Bush's deleted scene where she confronts the journalist and says how she is a buzzard circling the carnage around them. Plus, we pose the question, is this the media's fault for reporting on these tragic stories or are we the problem for being consumers of these tragic stories? The frightening parallels between the police in this episode and the police during recent school shootings. We debate the kiss scene in the library between Lucas and Peyton (and you may be shocked to learn how each host reacts differently!). The positioning of each character. Why is Brooke left alone? How did the writers determine who was in the tutor center? Also, is this episode about gun violence or is it about suicide? Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

CW: The spoiler segment features discussions on gun violence and mental health. This mix could burn a hole in anyone! Turn up the volume because we're discussing Name Brand Orange Soda: The Musical aka One Tree Hill S3E15: Just Watch the Fireworks. We have so much to discuss with A Simple Alias' Bree Leach, who is joining us once again to discuss this full-circle moment! The time capsule is mysteriously released and the video recordings stream throughout Tree Hill High. While Whitey (Barry Corbin) and Principal Turner (Shawn Shepard) race to turn off the videos, students get a glimpse of a few recordings: Nathan (James Lafferty) said that marrying Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) was the worst decision he ever made; Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) shared that he wanted to get close to Dan (Paul Johansson) in order to finally beat him; Brooke (Sophia Bush) flashed the camera and also said that she will one day probably be married to someone like Mouth (Lee Norris), or Senator McFadden; and Lucas and Mouth's old friend Jimmy Edwards (Colin Fickes) shared how he hates this school and that everyone in it is a loser. But it's not all doom and gloom because Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) also organizes a Friends with Benefit concert at Tric to support the National Breast Cancer Foundation, featuring performances by Jack's Mannequin, Fall Out Boy, and Haley James Scott! Plus, Naley discusses their insecurities and Keith (Craig Sheffer) asks Lucas if he can adopt him. We also have some mysteries such as: Why does Dan have a ledger (seriously, what is even happening in this storyline)? And who opened the time capsule on One Tree Hill?  In this episode, we also discuss: The episode's namesake, “Just Watch the Fireworks,” by Jimmy Eat World. The story's weird relationship with boobs Hilarie Burton Morgan's MTV days and several tangents about TRL Naley's growth and maturity Friendship dynamics being complicated Keith's desire to adopt Lucas and whether it's an unnecessary plot point or a grand symbolic gesture Peyton's flirtation with Pete Wentz that you can apparently see from across the room Whitey's ending voiceover and its…connections to Miley Cyrus' The Climb? You can follow Bree Leach on Twitter and Instagram @bleach226 and follow her podcast A Simple Alias on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @SimpleAliasCast and check it out wherever you get your podcasts! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Welcome to Act 3! In this special Patreon-exclusive bonus episode, we're talking about the amazing “requel,” Scream (2022) from Paramount Pictures, which was shot in Wilmington, NC and yes that is why these One Tree Hill podcasters are covering it and celebrating 25 years of the Scream franchise! Twenty-five years after a streak of brutal murders shocked the quiet town of Woodsboro, Sidney Prescott (Neve Campbell), Gale Weathers (Courteney Cox), and Dewey Riley (David Arquette) ended Billy Loomis' (Skeet Ulrich, who returned in this movie! Ahhh!) and Stu Macher's reign as Ghostface. But now a new killer dons the Ghostface mask and stalks both the legacy characters and a new young cast, featuring the talents of Sonia Ammar, Melissa Barrera, Jasmin Savoy Brown, Mason Gooding, Mikey Madison, Dylan Minnette, Jenna Ortega, and Jack Quaid. During our discussion, we go over requel rules (Why not just call it Scream 5? Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett are not fooling anyone.), Gale's subtle and nuanced character development, Dewey's death (and why we're both mad about it for different reasons), the unfortunate plot holes (we all know time has no meaning in Tree Hill and it has no meaning in Woodsboro either), why Kyle Gallner deserves more work, our crush on Jack Quaid, the triumphant returns of lesser-known legacy characters Judy Hicks (Marley Shelton) and Martha Meeks (Heather Matarazzo), the tribute to Wes Craven (“For Wes”), the welcome return of “Red Right Hand” by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, and all of the Scream Easter eggs littered throughout. Also, who has a cameo in Scream (2022)? We point out the secret cameos from old friends Drew Barrymore, Jamie Kennedy, Matthew Lillard, Adam Brody, Kevin Williamson, Marco Beltrami, Patrick Lussier, Julie Plec and Wes Craven's widow, Iya. Plus, are Tara and Amber together? The original casting call made it seem that way and we dive into what could have been. And in lieu of a favorite musical moment, you will hear us talk about our favorite death scenes. Plus, we talk about our relationships to horror movies (surprise! We both love horror!) and give shoutouts to The Ring, The Blair Witch Project, Hereditary, Midsommar, The Babadook, It Follows, Jordan Peele films, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Valentine, and Scream 4 (and its need for justice!). You can listen to the full episode by subscribing at the $5 level over at patreon.com/alwaysothpod. We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Listen to our previous episodes of Baker Soundstage below: The Notebook A Cinderella Story John Tucker Must Die

We are living in the moment at the Sparkle Classic and we have so much to discuss in our episode on S3E14: All Tomorrow's Parties, written by the amazing One Tree Hill writer Anna Lotto! We chat about Lucas and Nathan's storyline with the Battle family and wonder if it's necessary, Brooke's decision to go to the Sparkle Classic instead of staying at Rogue Vogue, Rachel tricking a drunk and grieving Peyton into bed with Lucas and Brooke later finding out about it, Skills paying back Bevin for Notebooking him, Brooke's encounter with Brian George, and a surprising connection to...American Horror Story? We also unpack the heck out of the epic coda with everyone dancing on stage to The Go! Team's “Huddle Formation” along with Lucas's powerful voiceover and Karen's proposal to Keith. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

There's a big storm in Tree Hill and we discuss all of the character pairings in our episode on S3E13: The Wind That Blew My Heart Away! We unpack Brooke's continued anxiety about Lucas and Peyton, and Kaitlyn even shares a hot take about Lucas's speech to Brooke. We also discuss Naley's open communication and their epic kiss in the rain, Mouth and Rachel's conversation about how to treat girls, Karen and Keith's romantic night in, and Dan's never-ending ledger saga. And of course we get into our feels as we break down Ellie's death and her final moments with Peyton, including Ellie's famous quote (“Every song has a CODA; a final movement. Whether it fades out or crashes away. Every song ends, but is that any reason not to enjoy the music?”), both of their happiest and saddest songs, and the amazing music (“Here Comes A Regular” by the Replacements will always gut us!) and directing.  CW: This episode includes discussions about death and grief. Please take care while listening. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

Tree Hill High students contemplate college and wonder if it's right for them as your hosts contemplate the fact that college might be a scam. In our episode on S3E12: I've Got Dreams To Remember, we unpack the heck out of each of the college meetings, notice how mature Naley is in discussing their college plans, and realize that Lucas's desire for a basketball scholarship makes the HCM storyline make A LOT more sense. Kaitlyn and Jeremy even talk about their college experiences and the societal pressure to make big decisions at a young age. We also chat about Keith and Karen's date (?), the Friends with Benefit album name, Rachel's scheme in getting Brooke to miss the Sparkle Classic, and Dan's internal struggle.   Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.   Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.   Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our upcoming episode on Scream (2022). Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Keith finally returns to Tree Hill and we discuss all of his reunions with Lucas, Karen, and Dan in our episode on S3E11: Return of the Future! We also unpack the Deb and Keith flashbacks, Keith's arrest orchestrated by Dan, Nathan and Haley's pregnancy scare and argument about birth control, Lucas' cruelty for mocking Brooke's letters (and the nuances of roasting your loved ones), and Peyton and Ellie working together to get their very first band on the benefit album! Plus, learn how you can pull an Ellie and sneak into a concert yourself.  Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

IS EVERYONE READY? 5…4…3…2…1…we are discussing S3E10: Brave New World! We call out Lucas for going on a road trip with Peyton so soon after getting together with Brooke and discuss how this episode could have been different if Lucas stayed in Tree Hill. We also discuss Peyton and Ellie's connection over music, Peyton's benefit album proposal and argument with Ellie, Lucas's random storyline with a one-off character named Faith (and how she could've been an interesting character if the writers actually did something with her), Brooke breaking child labor laws, and Deb's reveal to Nathan that she set the dealership on fire.  Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

We have a lot to say about S3E9: How a Resurrection Really Feels…almost 82 letters worth! We dive into the Peyngel storyline, Brooke's creation of Clothes Over Bro's, the girls' jail time (and that funny deleted scene!), Chris and Nathan's hilarious heist (and possible resolution?), and ALL the epic musical moments. And of course, you get to hear us unpack the heck out of the problematic scenes, Dan winning mayor, the major Deb reveal, and all of the amazing Brucas and Naley romance! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

We've officially been Notebooked! In this special Patreon-exclusive episode, we discuss the heck out of the massive 2004 hit movie The Notebook and absolutely swoon over Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams' strong chemistry as lovers on different sides of the tracks. Hear us chat about the book and movie versions, Allie and Noah's breakups and makeups, guest appearances by OTH actors Cullen Moss and Paul Johansson, Alzheimer's representation, THAT rain scene, and Allie and Noah's final moments in the past and present, including Noah's line that is forever embedded in our memories thanks to the countless promos on ABC Family! We also have some deep discussions about the concept of soulmates and safe relationships vs. passionate ones.   Listen to the full episode here!   LIVE WATCH INFO! On Tuesday, Sept. 27 at 8pm EST, we will be watching the One Tree Hill episode, “How a Resurrection Really Feels,” with our patrons at the $2 level and above on Discord. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod to subscribe and then make sure your Patreon and Discord are linked. FIND US ON THE INTERNET! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitteri, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Listen to our previous episodes of Baker Soundstage below: A Cinderella Story John Tucker Must Die

We hope you're having a better day than Brooke Davis because we are discussing S3E8: The Worst Day Since Yesterday where we unpack Brooke's regrets about sleeping with Chris, Lucas' reaction to it, and all the Suburban Filth drama. We also chat about Dan and Karen's campaign radio interviews, Dan assaulting Nathan in the locker room, and Rachel finally putting Lucas in his place. And of course, we swoon over Naley again and discuss the heck out of that adorable scene at the end of the episode! Jeremy appreciates Haley accepting Nathan's boundaries and Kaitlyn loves getting season 1 Naley vibes again.   Join us for our live watch of S3E9: How a Resurrection Really Feels on Tuesday, Sept. 27 at 8pm EST. Read instructions on how to join us here!   Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.   Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

Cheers to S3E7: Champagne for My Real Friends, Real Pain for My Sham Friends because we are joined by Aliza Ora from the Roswell rewatch podcast, Pass the Hot Sauce! We unpack the dream sequence at the beginning of the episode and all of the drama on the Fantasy Boy Draft dates. The three of us swoon over Naley, wonder if Peyton and Mouth's storyline could have continued in the future, and appreciate Rachel's wisdom that she shares with Lucas. We also discuss DebRoe and their billboard scheme, Bevin Notebooking Skills, and of course the shocking ending with Brooke and Chris Keller. And in the spoiler segment, Aliza shares some hot takes! You can follow Aliza Ora on Instagram @alizabel and follow her podcast Pass the Hot Sauce on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @roswellhotsauce and check it out wherever you get your podcasts! Join us for our live watch of S3E9: How a Resurrection Really Feels on Tuesday Sept. 27 at 8pm EST. Read instructions on how to join us here! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

It's time for the Fantasy Boy Draft and things are about to get explosive in our discussion on S3E6: Locked Hearts and Hand Grenades! We discuss Lucas and Haley's argument about his heart condition and whether he should tell Whitey, our support for Karen Roe 2024, and Jeremy's new favorite ship: Rachel and Peyton. We also break down the mix-up during the Fantasy Boy Draft and all of the girls' final picks, as well as dissect the heck out of the William Ernest Henley quote in Kaitlyn's Lit Crit segment! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

Rachel has officially arrived in Tree Hill and brings all of the fiery redhead representation we needed! In our discussion on S3E5: A Multitude of Casualties, we unpack the heck out of Nathan testing Haley's loyalty, Peyton's reaction to Ellie's lie about not being artistic, and Brucas' relationship…with Rachel now involved. Additionally, we discuss our love for Deb in lingerie, who Dan and Karen represent in our current political world, Rachel's problematic introduction, and Mouth's new co-announcer, Gigi. Plus, fights break out at Midnight Madness!  CW: This episode includes discussions of fatphobia throughout. Please take care while listening. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

Can we get a woot woot? Because we are joined again by the wonderful Jenna Lenskold for our discussion on S3E4: An Attempt to Tip the Scales! We discuss the masquerade party, including the mysterious lady in red, the Sandy and Batman kiss, our Fall Out Boy nostalgia, and Kaitlyn even reveals her dream to dress as Sandy from Grease! Additionally, we unpack Chris Keller's return, Ellie's breast cancer diagnosis, and Dan's mayoral campaign. And of course we laugh hysterically over the games Deb and Dan play with each other! Jeremy shares how they identified THE quote for the first time in Karen's Cafe and also asks Jenna and Kaitlyn to defend Grease. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

Rather than go to therapy, we decided to start a podcast! JK. We have healthier coping mechanisms, unlike Peyton Sawyer, who desperately needs therapy! And she's not the only one. We discuss how this show fails to unpack Dan's PTSD from the night of the fire, Mouth gets advice from Whitey about how to get over a breakup (because Whitey's wife died and the two feelings are definitely the same), Brucas has questionable choices in ethically non-monogamous relationships, and Haley deals with a no-nuance bully. In other news, Lucas and Haley make predictions for the new school year, Kevin Kilner is amazing as Papa Peyton, we learn more about Lucas' role during the night of the fire, Nathan gives us all of the feels when he puts his hand on the small of Haley's back, and Kaitlyn learns that the zip code for Dawson's Creek is 90108 during our chat on S3E3, “First Day on a Brand New Planet”! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

IT'S THE END OF SUMMER BEACH PARTY, WHAT WHAT! Kaitlyn raves unapologetically about S3E2: From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea and desperately tries to convince Jeremy to love it too! In this episode, we discuss the Naley of it all, Brucas' chemistry, mid-2000s music nostalgia, and all the fun humorous scenes, which of course includes the Brooke/Peyton door scene that Kaitlyn is obsessed with! We also compare the two different actors who play Papa Peyton and unpack the character's decision to keep Ellie away from Peyton.  Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. 

IT'S SEASON 3, BABY! We can't believe we're finally here to discuss the heck out of S3E1: Like You Like An Arsonist, including all of the plot holes, continuity errors, flashbacks, and fun, new hairstyles! We unpack the emotional Naley scene that Kaitlyn absolutely LOVES, Brooke and Lucas' new relationship and polyamorous representation, and the recast of Papa Peyton. We also challenge our listeners to count the shameless appearances of a certain name-brand orange soda throughout the season (There. Are. A. Lot.) And in the spoiler segment, Kaitlyn and Jeremy surprise each other with their thoughts about a certain storyline this season! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2.  Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.

It's so hard to be Hilary Duff when you have an evil stepmother like Jennifer Coolidge. But at least you have Fairy Godmother Regina King and Prince Chad Michael Murray by your side! In this episode of Baker Soundstage, we discuss the 2004 masterpiece A Cinderella Story. Hear us chat about Jennifer Coolidge being an icon, cringey online chat room talk, our thoughts on the word “moist” and why we never got into playing Wordle. Also, Kaitlyn has a smoking hot take on the use of the Jimmy Eat World song “Hear You Me” and just in time for Pride Month, we realize this movie was much gayer than we remember! CW: This episode includes numerous discussions about fatphobia. Please take care while listening. Check out the full episode here!   LIVE WATCH INFO! On Saturday, June 18 at 2pm EST, we will be watching the third season premiere of One Tree Hill, “Like You, Like An Arsonist,” with our patrons at the $2 level and above on Discord. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod to subscribe and then make sure your Patreon and Discord are linked. Patrons at the $2 level and above will also gain access to our episode just days later on Tuesday, June 21!   FIND US ON THE INTERNET! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.

THIS EPISODE IS ON FIRE! In our burning discussion on S2E23: The Leavers Dance, we unpack ALL the bombshells, including Nathan cutting ties with Lucas, Ellie telling Peyton that she's her mother, that Brucas “goodbye” kiss, Lucas and Dan's fiery confrontation, and Haley showing up on Nathan's doorstep. Plus, someone attempts to murder Dan by setting the dealership on fire with him inside and we break down the possible suspects for the 2005 equivalent of the “Who Shot JR?” mystery! We have several exciting events coming up on Patreon in June! Check our schedule here! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 2 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3eNZm5R. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.  

May angels lead you in…to our episode on S2E22: The Tide That Left and Never Came Back. In addition to getting in our feels, we dissect the heck out of the George Bernard Shaw quote and its connection to the characters' lives and our own lives. We also unpack Lucas' reunion with Haley, Chris and Brooke's comedic scene, Dan trying to deport Andy, and Nicki kidnapping Jenny (and the heartbreaking repercussions for Peyton and Jake). And of course, we discuss the Jimmy Eat World concert montages and the finale's use of flashbacks. Are these flashbacks better than the ones used in the season one finale or do they still not make sense? Spoiler alert: It's a little of both. We hope you have your motorcycle helmet (as you ride off with Jake Jaglieski) because we're on part one of the two-part finale! Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 2 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3eNZm5R. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.  

Is this episode the best mixtape we have? That's up for debate as we discuss S2E21: What Could Have Been. We unpack Nathan's conversations with Lucas and Peyton about the accident and whether he did it on purpose. Additionally, we discuss Nathan's family struggles, Dan trying to initiate an annulment between Nathan and Haley, and Haley's decision to leave the tour (and then ultimately stay). And we of course dive into all things Leyton and Brucas, including Leyton's friendship, THAT moment between Brucas, and Brooke's insecurities. NOTE: In the spoiler segment, Kaitlyn mentions an event that happens in the penultimate episode of season 9. That event actually happens in season 9, episode 11. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 2 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3eNZm5R. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.  

What if Dan married Karen instead of Deb? In our episode on S2E20: Lifetime Piling Up, we unpack Nathan's dream of an alternate Tree Hill universe and compare the old and new portrayals of Lucas and Nathan, Dan and Keith, and Karen and Deb. We also discuss the many callbacks to season 1 and even comment on alternate universe episodes of TV in general (Kaitlyn doesn't like them and Jeremy enjoys them!). Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 2 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3eNZm5R. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.  

HOT UNCLE COOPER arrives in Tree Hill and we have plenty of thirsty thoughts in our episode on S2E19: I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning! We also discuss the four ladies dancing in Tric, Deb's mental health struggles, and Andy quitting his job because of Dan's scheme. And of course we unpack Nathan's car crash and speculate if he did it on purpose.  CW (self harm and suicide): 42:07 - 49:31 Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 2 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3eNZm5R. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.  

In our episode on S2E18: The Lonesome Road, we discuss Nathan and Taylor's almost-kiss, Sherlock Holmes references, and the lesson Brooke learned. We also discuss Jake turning himself in to the police and whether Nicki deserves a second chance. And of course, we unpack Anna's coming out story, Darby's support, and Anna's ultimate decision to leave Tree Hill. Jeremy also shares their experience coming out and how Anna's story deeply inspired them. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That's the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We're Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Check out our One Tree Hill season 2 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3eNZm5R. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information.