Inside Transportation

This is Episode 44 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Join Nicolas Saravia (Inside.com) in a conversation with Garrett McCurrash, CEO of Pipedream Labs as they dive into about the start-up's vision, their product, early challenges and more.

This is Episode 43 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Join Nicolas Saravia (Inside.com) in a conversation with Ali Kashani, Co-Founder & CEO of Serve Robotics about the startup's journey from Postmates' special projects team to its acquisition by Uber, and spin-out, as well as unit economics and market expansion.

This is Episode 42 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. David Maday, VP of Global Business Development at Aurora, presents at Inside Transportation: The Future of Transportation, a live virtual event presented by Inside.com on April 29, 2021.

This is Episode 41 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Ben Bear, CEO of Spin, presents at Inside Transportation: The Future of Transportation, a live virtual event presented by Inside.com on April 29, 2021.

This is Episode 40 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Justin Lang, Head of Partnerships & Corporate Strategy at Joby Aviation, talks about the exciting innovations in aviation technology that his team is bringing to the world at The Future of Transportation 2021, a live virtual event presented by Inside.com on April 29, 2021.

This is Episode 39 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Will Coleman, CEO of Alto, presents at Inside Transportation: The Future of Transportation, a live virtual event presented by Inside.com on April 29, 2021.

This is Episode 38 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Join Nicolas Saravia (Inside.com) in a conversation with Swisspod CEO Denis Tudor about the recent Hyperloop Pod Competition, the roadblocks to a fully functioning hyperloop and the comparison to other modes of transport. Denis Tudor (CEO, Swisspod), Nicolas Saravia (Analyst, Inside.com), Jason Calacanis (Inside.com, LAUNCH), Johan Moreno (inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation]

This is Episode 37 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Join Nicolas Saravia (Inside.com) in a conversation with Jetson Co-Founder and President Peter Ternstrom about about Peter's journey to founding Jetson, their electric aerial vehicle, and the recent advancements made within the eVTOL space. Peter Ternstrom (President, Co-founder of Jetson), Nicolas Saravia (Analyst, Inside.com), Jason Calacanis (Inside.com, LAUNCH), Johan Moreno (inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation]

This is Episode 36 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Scott Case (Recurrent), Roei Ganzarski (magniX) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] On this week's edition of the Inside Transportation Podcast, we had two very special guests join us. On the first half of the show, we have Scott Case, the co-founder and CEO of Recurrent, a clean tech startup focused on collecting more comprehensive data about used electric vehicle batteries. Recurrent relies on real life battery and driving data from EV owners to give a closer look at battery data and more. A clean energy buff, Case explains the key role used EVs will have on climate change. Scott also tells us what it was like launching a mobility-focused startup during the pandemic. In the second half, we have Roei Ganzarski, the CEO of magniX, a startup working on electric propulsion systems for airplanes. As we get ready to get back to flying on a normal basis, magniX hopes to challenge the status quo by empowering aviation companies to offer electrified airplane rides. Roei and Johan discuss why it took so long for the industry to create an electric-powered aviation solution, while also exploring themes about the viability of the electrified airplanes and how the future of mobility will be powered by small and regional airports.

This is Episode 35 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Ian Jefferies (Association of American Railroads) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] On this podcast, we typically talk about the revolutions happening in transportation and mobility. Things like eVTOLs, electric vehicles and the like. But believe it or not, many essential American industries rely very much on railroads to transport goods. Without railroads, American firms and consumers would be unable to participate in the global economy anywhere near as fully as they do today. But as with any industry, there are challenges, threats, competitors and innovation in the space. Here to tell us more is Ian Jefferies, the President and CEO of the Association of American Railroads. As the Association of American Railroads (AAR's) president and CEO, Ian Jefferies advocates for and works with member railroads to ensure the continued viability of America's railroad industry.

This is Episode 34 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Jason Calacanis (Inside.com), Sunny Madra (Ford) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] As more Americans get vaccinated, Jason, Sunny and Johan envision transportation trends and habits of the post-pandemic future. The three discuss whether the government should play a hand in regulating automated vehicles and they play a round of "Dope or Nope." This week's show notes: https://www.notion.so/EP-34-Sunny-Madra-137853b5c7d445a7af898e8f8d557621

This is Episode 33 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Christopher Niblett (Carventure.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on Inside Transportation, guest co-host Christopher Niblett (Carventure) joins Johan Moreno to discuss the hottest topics in the world of transportation and mobility. The two discuss Chris's shift from working as an engineer at NASA to building Carventure. Ford expects about 100 dealers will build dedicated Bronco showrooms. Domino's Pizza will start autonomous pizza deliveries in Houston this week, as a part of a pilot program, in partnership with autonomous shuttle service Nuro. Cruise partnered with Dubai Roads and Transport Authority to become the sole provider of self-driving taxis and ride-hailing services until 2029. The two play Dope or Nope, looking at Canoo's new EV truck. This week's show notes: https://www.notion.so/EP-33-7e28c5b671c245798e5f244e6368a79e

This is Episode 32 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Jason Calacanis (Inside.com, LAUNCH), Johan Moreno (inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on Inside Transportation, Jason and Johan sit down to discuss the week's hottest transportation and mobility news, including Lordstown Motors being accused of taking fake pre-orders, Tesla CEO Elon Musk responding to China's restriction of Tesla vehicle use by military and state employees and the two play a round of "Dope or Nope."

This is Episode 31 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Jason Calacanis (Inside.com), Johan Moreno and Mike Ableson (Arrival) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] Mike Ableson says he believes that transportation is fundamentally changing - for the better. He joined Arrival after a long career with General Motors in order to accelerate the adoption of electric commercial vehicles. Ableson believes Arrival has unique technologies and an overall vision that will be foundations for a very different business model in the EV space. Now, unlike Tesla and other EV companies that have made big investments into giant production facilities, ARRIVAL believes it can build affordable electric vehicles in smaller, localized micro factories, which has caught the attention of logistics and automotive companies. UPS, Hyundai and Kia have invested in ARRIVAL and the company has raised $629.4 million to date. Mike joins us on the latest episode of the Inside Transportation Podcast for an extended chat.

This is Episode 30 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Jason Calacanis (Inside.com), Johan Moreno Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on the Inside Transportation Podcast, Jason and Johan sit down to discuss the week’s hottest transportation and mobility news, including the U.S. Postal Service's new mail delivery van, Fisker's deal with Foxconn and Nikola's recent SEC filing.

This is Episode 29 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Aaron Kirley (LugLess), Meghan Braley (ScootRoute), Johan Moreno (inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on Inside Transportation, Johan sits down one-on-one with Aaron Kirley, the president of LugLess, and Meghan Braley, founder of ScootRoute.

This is Episode 28 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Ben Bear (Spin), Johan Moreno (inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on Inside Transportation, Johan sits down one-on-one with Ben Bear, the Chief Business Officer at Spin - the micromobility unit of Ford Motor Company - which is a proud partner of this podcast. In this podcast, the two discuss the future vision for Spin's business and what the future of micro mobility holds. Ben is responsible for overseeing market expansion, public policy, business development, and public affairs at Spin. His team develops policy for dockless mobility programs, forges partnerships with cities and campuses, and expands into new markets. Before Spin, Ben was the CEO & founder of WorkGenius, a 500 Startups backed company that matched workers in the sharing economy with job opportunities. Ben is a native of Pittsburgh, PA and a graduate of Northwestern University.

This is Episode 27 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Jason Calacanis (Inside.com, LAUNCH), Johan Moreno (inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on Inside Transportation, Jason and Johan sit down to discuss the week’s hottest transportation and mobility news, including the latest news of Apple breaking into the auto industry, Tesla offloading Model S and X inventory and Waymo’s decision to drop the phrase “self-driving.” You can read to our show notes here: https://www.notion.so/EP-27-Should-Apple-Enter-The-Auto-Industry-af22ac6b7cf54f33864ef091c0c20d4b

This is Episode 26 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company. Featuring Frank Reig (CEO, Co-founder of Revel), Jason Calacanis (Inside.com, LAUNCH), Johan Moreno (inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] Learn more about Revel: [gorevel.com] This week on Inside Transportation, Jason and Johan sit down with Revel CEO and co-founder Frank Reig. Fun fact about Frank: He was a graduate of the Culinary Institute of America and worked at some of NYC’s hottest restaurants. On the podcast, he discusses a bit about the parallels of working in a high-stress restaurant and running a high-profile startup. Frank discusses whether micromobility can co-exist with car culture, amid the company’s departure from Austin, discusses the controversy generated over the summer and what the future holds for the promising electric moped rental startup.

This is Episode 25 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company and Fenwick. Show notes are available through Notion: https://www.notion.so/EP-25-Everything-Is-Fine-3d58895df8594f739a5b48bd9c935272 Featuring Jason Calacanis (Inside.com, LAUNCH), Johan Moreno (Inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on Inside Transportation, Jason and Johan discuss the upcoming Tesla's Full Self-Driving Software, GM and Ford knowing about global warming since the 1960s, Starlink rolling out their beta and more.

This is Episode 24 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company and Fenwick. Show notes are available through Notion: https://www.notion.so/EP-24-Stop-Hummer-Time-4834c56202a54b2488486bb7b9f19b7f Featuring Jason Calacanis (Inside.com, LAUNCH), Johan Moreno (Inside.com) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: [inside.com/transportation] Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: [inside.com/evs] This week on Inside Transportation, Jason and Johan discuss the upcoming Hummer EV, Tesla's quarterly profit, TuSimple, Proposition 22 and Nikola.

Jonah Bliss is an expert in the transportation industry, having experience launching and growing new mobility providers, including the world’s first peer-to-peer carsharing company Turo and e-bike company EVELO. He is hosting the Curbivore Conference on October 20 and 21 and he sat down with Johan to discuss a bit about the event.

This is Episode 21 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company and Fenwick. Featuring Johan Moreno, Marc Gorlin (Roadie) and Gerry Tierney (Perkins & Will). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs On this week's episode of the Inside Transportation Podcast, Johan sits down with Marc Gorlin, the founder and CEO of a crowdsourced delivery service Roadie, based out of Atlanta. Marc is going to tell us a little bit about his business and what we can expect from the future of delivery. Then Johan sits down with Gerry Tierney, who is an associate principal at Perkins and Will. Johan and Gerry discuss the future of public transit and shared mobility

On this week's bonus episode, Johan sits down with Omar Qazi, the man behind the infamous, banned tesla_truth Twitter account. They discuss Tesla, his ongoing legal battle with Aaron Greenspan and the electric vehicle space.

This is Episode 16 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Access the full show notes here: https://www.notion.so/EP-16-Ridin-Shotgun-with-The-Rideshare-Guy-dfd0c4b4d3474fcba5919f0301cd2d4f Featuring Johan Moreno (Inside.com) and Harry Campbell (The Rideshare Guy) Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on August 11, 2020. Joining us on today's episode as a special co-host is Harry Campbell, also known as The Rideshare Guy. Harry runs one of the largest driver communities online, dedicated to ride-hailing driver resources and more. You can visit his website at therideshareguy.com or listen to his podcast here! Harry's latest podcast where he interviewed Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi: https://therideshareguy.com/rsg140-dara-khosrowshahi-on-ubers-third-way/ **8:10 - UBER CEO SUGGESTS AN ALTERNATIVE TO MAKING DRIVERS EMPLOYEES** - For years, ride-hailing and other gig economy companies have been criticized for their decision to classify workers as independent contractors. - In an op-ed for the New York Times, Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi suggested the government act to create a new worker classification for gig economy workers: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/opinion/uber-ceo-dara-khosrowshahi-gig-workers-deserve-better.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage **17:55 - DO UBER DRIVERS WANT TO BE COMPANY EMPLOYEES?** - A recent survey, commissioned by Uber shows app-based drivers don't want to be company employees. - A recent estimate from Barclays said Uber would pay about $2,040 per employee per year if they were to re-classify workers as employees. An estimate from Khosrowshahi's op-ed said the company said a driver would receive about $1,350 in benefit pay under proposal (driver in Colorado working 35 hours). **32:00 - GIG ECONOMY COMPANIES FACE ANOTHER CHALLENGE IN CALIFORNIA: PROP 22** - Yesterday, Uber and Lyft were dealt a blow, as a San Francisco Superior Court judge issued a preliminary injunction that would require both companies to classify workers as employees. **42:00 - EFFECTS OF THE PANDEMIC ON DRIVERS** - In the company's latest earnings call, Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi said ride bookings in core U.S. markets were down as much as 85% during Q2. Lyft has also reported similar declines in ridership. - Independent, gig-economy workers were eligible for additional unemployment pay ($600 per week) but now, many of those benefits dried up.

This is Episode 15 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Access the full show notes here: https://www.notion.so/EP-15-In-A-World-Of-Connected-And-Self-Driving-Vehicles-35148ada9e8047f79389ddb2a185e873 Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com), Johan Moreno (inside.com), Jim Koenig (Fenwick & West) and Jim Gregoire (Fenwick & West). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on July 28, 2020. We often talk about the future of transportation being centered around automated and autonomous driving technology. But we seldom think about what that type of transportation will look like, who will own the experience, who will have access to our data and most importantly, who will own our data? On this week's episode, we sit down with James Koenig and James Gregoire of Fenwick & West, two experts on privacy, related to connected and autonomous vehicles. 2:50 - SEGMENT 1 - Jim, Jim, Jason and Johan discuss user experience, regulations and autonomous vehicle safety. 17:06 - SEGMENT 2 - Jim K. discusses affiliated consent, an innovative approach that balances privacy and convenience. 34:00 - SEGMENT 3 - Johan asks Jim and Jim about the development of autonomous vehicles in China and what the U.S. is doing to spur innovation in the self-driving space. 45:00 - SEGMENT 4 - Johan asks about connected and autonomous vehicle hacking and what’s preventing vehicles from being hacked.

This is episode 13 of the Inside Transportation Podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Access the full show notes here: https://www.notion.so/EP-13-Back-To-The-Fisker-1fe18d72acc34291a4d91196a9c91e96 Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com)and Johan Moreno (inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on July 15, 2020. 1:47 - TO KICK THINGS OFF Johan and Jason talk burgers and COVID-19 vaccines 8:45 - TOPIC 1: Fisker Inc. is going public The deal, which would raised $2b and be completed via a reverse acquisition, would be modeled after recent public listings from Nikola and Velodyne Lidar. 22:37 - TOPIC 2: How can the U.S. become the leader in electric vehicles? Michael Stumo, CEO of the Coalition for a Prosperous America, believes the U.S. is losing the EV arms race to China. 47:05 - TOPIC 3: Uber will allow drivers in California to set their own rates The pricing experiment was first launched in Palm Springs, Santa Barbara and Sacramento in January, as the company battles initiatives to classify its fleet of independent contractors as employees. 1:01:12 - TOPIC 4: DOPE OR NOPE - The Model V One Twitter user, @blue_bnd, mocked up this potential Tesla eVTOL that would be called the "Model V." 1:05:53 - TOPIC 5: DOPE OR NOPE - Ford Bronco This week, Ford unveiled the "Bronco," a revamped version of its SUV that was discontinued in 1996, to make way for the Ford Explorer and the Ford Expedition.

I wanted to send a big thank you to the listeners of the Inside Transportation podcast! We have some exciting additions to our podcast, including our brand-new Notion page that features detailed show notes. You can access it here: https://www.notion.so/insidetranspo/EP-12-The-One-Where-Uber-Acquires-Postmates-5309b25a16e946fba13c6c54bdd2a638 This is episode twelve of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com)and Johan Moreno (inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on July 6, 2020. 1:48 - TO KICK THINGS OFF Tesla sold out of "short shorts" 13:00 - TOPIC 1: Uber is acquiring Postmates Uber’s board approved an all-stock acquisition of Postmates, in a deal worth $2.65b. 27:00 - TOPIC 2: Are vehicle subscription services still the future of automotive? Attempts from automakers and technology companies to popularize these services have not been successful to date. 39:40 - TOPIC 3: Will Americans buy a Chinese-made car? Will American consumers, who also shunned Korean automakers a few decades back because of quality issues, avoid Chinese-made vehicles? 54:20 - TOPIC 5: WHO IS THE WORST? For today’s wrap-up game, we will watch two viral videos involving two different drivers and we will decide which one of the two videos is worst. VIDEO 1 - Being cut off by a Range Rover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA5S3VBMVzk VIDEO 2 - Woman has trouble filling up gas tank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fUJgFfWCKo

On this week's Inside Transportation podcast, we have John McNelis as a guest. John is a leading advisor, writer and speaker in the field of autonomous vehicle technology, John chairs the California Technology Council’s Autonomous Transportation Initiative and serves as the industry lead for Fenwick’s autonomous transportation and shared mobility practice. He works with some of Silicon Valley’s top investment firms on their diligence related to intellectual property and emerging technologies. Note: Fenwick is a sponsor of this podcast This is episode eleven of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com), John McNeils (Law Firm of Fenwick & West) and Johan Moreno (inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on June 26, 2020. 3:33 - John, Jason and Johan briefly discuss the Amazon-Zoox deal, which he worked on. 8:08 - As self-driving technology becomes more ubiquitous, automated driving software is bound to fail, which brings questions on who will be responsible for its mistakes. Who is responsible for autonomous cars gone wrong? 16:41 - J, J & J discuss when we’d see a Level 5 autonomous car. 21:48 - Jason asks John about weather and how that might affect the performance of automated vehicles. 26:00 - Johan asks whether developers of autonomous vehicle developers are looking for more guidance or less guidance from the government. 30:00 - The three talk about consumer trust with autonomous vehicles and what it will take for people to accept automated cars. 35:00 - The three talk about Tesla Autopilot and issues presented with lane markings on roads. 43:00 - Johan brings up whether insurance companies will become obsolete after autonomous vehicles are on roads. 47:00 - The three discuss partnerships between automakers and autonomous vehicle technology developers and what the future of those prospects are. 50:00 - Jason asks Johan and John whether they’ll see an eVTOL service, Level 5 autonomy or a woolly mammoth first

This is episode ten of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on June 22, 2020. 3:25 — Jason and Johan discuss the best path forward for autonomous vehicles to appear roads today. Do we take a centralized route where the government works with autonomous developers to set guidelines, or do we continue with the de-centralized, hands off approach? Supporting link: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/06/15/michigan-fiat-chrysler-join-federal-self-driving-car-initiative/3194309001/ 21:00 — The Model Y is here and...there are problems. Tesla forums have documented issues with the vehicle. Jason and Johan discuss whether these quality issues are going to impact sales and whether demand for the Model Y will weaken as a result. Jason talks about his own experience ordering a Model Y. Supporting link: https://electrek.co/2020/06/16/tesla-model-y-quality-issues/ 37:00 — Amid ride-hailing demand declines, Uber becomes a SaaS company, as it reaches an agreement to manage Marin County’s on-demand public transportation service, Marin Connect. Johan and Jason discuss Uber’s move and whether it represents a “panic” button for the company. Supporting link: https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/17/uber-pushes-into-on-demand-public-transit-with-its-first-saas-partnership/ 46:00 — United said that it may ban passengers not wearing face masks from boarding planes. Jason and Johan discuss why there is a lack of federal legislation in mask wearing and why the current administration is apprehensive about enacting these rules on a federal level. Supporting link: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/airlines-face-masks-passengers/ 53:00 — DOPE OR NOPE - Mazda BT-50 pickup truck Jason and Johan discuss the design of the Mazda BT-50 pickup truck and whether it should arrive in the U.S. Supporting link: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/mazda-bt50-pickup-truck-isuzu-dmax-us-availability/

This is episode eight of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com), Sunny Madra (Ford X) and Johan Moreno (inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on June 16, 2020. SHOW NOTES — 4:00 - Sunny explains how he landed at Ford and his history with Jason. 6:00 - Jason, Sunny and Johan share observations and thoughts on what shifts we’re going to see in the transportation space post-COVID-19. The three also discuss micro-mobility and how it can solve some transportation problems. 13:45 - Johan asks Sunny how Spin re-assures customers that their shared scooters are safe to ride. 20:00 - Johan asks about the city of the future and how far we are from revolutionizing the way we move, along with potential regulatory challenges. 34:00 - Sunny, Jason and Johan discuss transportation inequality and how some of those challenges can be solved. 43:00 - Johan asks Sunny about how we can possibly use vehicles as living and working spaces. Note: Sunny recently personally invested in Cabana, but Ford was not involved with this investment. : https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cabana-travel-tech-startup-merging-163000899.html 47:00 - The three talk briefly about Ford, electric vehicles, the upcoming Mach-E and other projects. 50:00 - Jason asks Sunny a bit about the future of the rental car market. 57:00 - Johan asks Jason and Sunny about recent transportation innovations that excite them.

This is episode eight of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on June 10, 2020. SHOW NOTES — 2:20 - Some visitors in Las Vegas are having trouble finding reliable transportation options as the city reopens. Most casinos and resorts reopened on Friday, June 5, with at least one viral video showing visitors packing casinos. But those who visited the city reported having trouble finding taxi, Uber, and Lyft rides, with some visitors resorting to hitching rides with unlicensed drivers. LINKS: FOX 5 LAS VEGAS - Reopening weekend exposes lack of safe ride options on Las Vegas Strip - https://www.fox5vegas.com/coronavirus/reopening-weekend-exposes-lack-of-safe-ride-options-on-las-vegas-strip/article_d7407a86-aa00-11ea-85e6-1faca9086a40.html VIRAL VIDEO OF PACKED LAS VEGAS CASINO - https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1269169419998990336 16:50 - After becoming a publicly traded company, Nikola Motor’s market capitalization rose over $25b. By comparison, Ford’s market cap is $27.6b. Although Nikola is yet to turn a profit, its high valuation is linked to investors seeking to buy equity from EV companies after Tesla’s recent stock gains. LINK: THE INFORMATION - Electric Shock: Market Value of ‘Nikola’ Approaches Ford’s - https://www.theinformation.com/briefings/fb23eb 28:50 - Just Eat Takeaway.com is close to reaching a deal with GrubHub. The all-stock transaction between the companies may be finalized as soon as today. Just Eat confirmed advanced talks between the companies. Uber’s board is planning to meet on Wednesday to likely pull the plug on GrubHub talks LINK: WSJ - Just Eat Takeaway.com Nears All-Stock Deal for Grubhub - https://www.wsj.com/articles/just-eat-takeaway-com-nears-all-stock-deal-for-grubhub-11591797653?mod=hp_lead_pos4 33:33 - DOPE OR NOPE - PriestmanGoode has created a prototype for a removable bicycle rack that can be installed on a train that helps keep a social distance between riders LINK: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/designers-build-bike-racks-for-social-distancing-a4448761.html

This is episode seven of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on June 2, 2020. SHOW NOTES -- Jason and Johan take all your listener questions and requests and put them in a special edition of Inside Transportation. 10:00 — “Is this the death of the rental car?”  AXIOS - Hertz files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy https://www.axios.com/hertz-bankruptcy-coronavirus-3799ec84-8ca4-433c-b432-a451ea0ecb81.html BUSINESS INSIDER - Enterprise became America's largest car rental by hiring 'amiable jocks' straight out of college https://www.businessinsider.com/hertz-bankruptcy-enterprise-amiable-jock-hiring-strategy-endures-2020-5 A listener wanted us to delve deeper on the fate of the rental car industry. Two rental car agencies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy: Hertz (which also owns Thrifty and Dollar) and Advantage Rent-a-Car. 
 24:00 — “How would you remake the public bus?” Supporting link: AXIOS - Coronavirus is reshaping urban mobility https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cities-urban-mobility-streets-dining-adb17f7f-cfe9-4015-a871-7360b2a3e59a.html A listener asked if you could remake the public bus, accounting for the needs of modern passengers, what amenities or features would you add to attract more riders? Some have argued that public transport is underfunded because the “wealthy don’t rely on it.” 40:00 — “Are we in the new era of the boat?” Supporting link: WTNH - Boat sales booming as other industries struggle to stay afloat amid pandemic shutdowns A listener loved the idea of talking a bit about boats, after seeing an update in the Inside Transportation newsletter about boats. Some boat sellers have reported strong sales during COVID-19. CHECK THIS OUT: X Shore says it is the “Tesla of boats,” which is 100% electric. The Eelex 8000 offers a range of 100 nautical miles (which is about 115 land miles). No motor engine, just water displacement. Price starts at $277K. The boat is modular. YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KbhbrKQlV0 45:00 — Rapid Fire Questions Jason talks about the transportation startup he regrets not investing in and whether lower gas prices will affect Tesla.

We are OFF this week, but will be back next Thursday. Thank you for listening to the Inside Transportation podcast! This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Please let us know who you want featured on the podcast by emailing johan@inside.com! Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs

This is episode six of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on May 18, 2020. SHOW NOTES -- 1:45 — Johan gives an update on Tesla’s search for a new production facility. The company is reportedly deciding between Austin, Texas and Tulsa, Oklahoma. CLEANTECHNICA: https://cleantechnica.com/2020/05/16/tulsa-or-austin-both-are-reportedly-finalists-for-next-tesla-factory/ 2:37 — Uber’s reported proposal to acquire GrubHub has drawn scrutiny from some members of Congress. Jason and Johan discuss whether the deal is going to get done and how it will impact the delivery market. BLOOMBERG: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/uber-grubhub-merger-talks-come-as-cities-crack-down-on-fees 12:35 — Johan (who is a ‘90s child) asks Jason about Kozmo.com, a delivery startup that launched in the late ‘90s. Kozmo promised one-hour delivery of goods, including packaged food, video rentals, DVDs and more. Jason said he tried to acquire the IP to relaunch Kozmo, but was denied. WSJ: https://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/12/03/in-kozmo-coms-failure-lessons-for-same-day-delivery/ 18:16 — The two discuss the potential drawbacks to having superfans, after Fred Lambert, the editor-in-chief of Electrek, accused prominent Tesla superfans of sharing misleading news and information about the company. ELECTREK: https://electrek.co/2020/05/12/tesla-super-fandom-becomes-toxic-negative-electric-revolution-op-ed/ 31:50 — James Dyson opened up about his failed electric vehicle project, which he spent $605 million developing before ultimately folding the project. Johan plays an early round of “Dope or Nope” with Jason, while also talking about the viability of the project. THE SUNDAY TIMES: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/james-dyson-interview-electric-car-tesla-tzls09t5m 38:00 — An analysis shows bike fatalities have grown nationwide, with Cape Coral, Florida being listed as the most dangerous U.S. city for cyclists. Jason and Johan strategize on what cities can do to minimize fatalities. MADISON.COM: https://madison.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/the-most-dangerous-u-s-cities-for-cyclists/article_345f2e61-f65d-5f14-a2a4-76afc592fcc0.html 49:00 — DOPE or NOPE Poimo inflatable electric bike: https://youtu.be/OQawHw9phj0 2021 Toyota Sienna: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-toyota-sienna-hybrid-minivan-details/

This is episode five of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on May 12, 2020. SHOW NOTES -- 2:10 — Johan follows up to last week’s question from Jason about distracted driving laws. 4:00 — Elon Musk threatened to move Tesla headquarters outside of California, amid a legal battle with Alameda County over the coronavirus lockdown. He resumed production and said he would be willing to be arrested over the situation. Johan and Jason discuss whether Tesla will actually move out of California and how California has been poorly handling the situation. LINK TO REUTERS ARTICLE: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tesla/amid-lockdown-dispute-musk-says-he-will-move-tesla-out-of-california-idUSKBN22L0S5 18:00 — Zoox is looking to raise more money and exploring a sale. Jason and Johan discuss whether the dominos will begin to fall in the world of self-driving vehicle development in the next few years. LINK TO THE INFORMATION ARTICLE: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/zoox-self-driving-car-startup-valued-at-2-7-billion-is-for-sale 32:00 — Uber is about to close an $85 million investment in Lime and put themselves in a position to be a leader in the ride-hailing and scooter sharing business. Jason and Johan discuss the nature of the deal. LINK TO THE INFORMATION ARTICLE: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/uber-in-talks-to-lead-170-million-lime-investment-at-lower-valuation 40:00 — Frontier Airlines said it will start checking passengers’ temperatures on June 1. Jason and Johan discuss whether taking temperatures and other safety procedures will encourage people to travel. LINK TO THE CNBC ARTICLE: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/07/frontier-airlines-to-check-passenger-temperatures-too-high-you-wont-fly.html 47:23 — DOPE OR NOPE: 2021 Fiat 500e LINK TO THE MOTOR TREND ARTICLE: https://www.motortrend.com/news/fiat-500e-electric-ev-first-look-details-photos/

This is episode four of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on May 4, 2020. SHOW NOTES — 3:45: Demand for food delivery is at an all-time high, but with this spike, also comes questions about how much delivery apps, like Uber Eats, DoorDash and GrubHub, are keeping from each sale. Jason goes through GrubHub's statement and Johan explains why consumers need to foot the real cost of delivery. LINK TO VIRAL TWEET: https://twitter.com/susie_c/status/1255971900599046144 20:17: IBM surveyed 17,000 people who gave some insights on how they may change their transportation habits after COVID-19. Johan and Jason discuss the role public transportation options had in potentially spreading COVID-19 and whether the findings of this survey will actually hold true once there is a vaccine. LINK TO CAR AND DRIVER ARTICLE: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32343158/pandemic-transportation-future-problems/ 35:47: Some auto dealers say they are running out of pickup trucks. A few auto dealers told Automotive News that promotional APR offers (like 84-months, 0% APR) have led to increased demand for pick-up trucks. One dealer, who operates dealerships in Colorado and Florida, said they only had a 30 day supply of the Chevrolet Silverado. Johan and Jason talk about zombie apocalypse vehicles. LINK TO AUTO NEWS ARTICLE: https://www.autonews.com/sales/new-fear-shortage-pickups 50:30: Layoffs are affecting Uber, Lyft and Lime, as COVID-19 impacts those businesses. Jason gives some insights on layoffs and why companies decide to go through with these mass layoffs to increase runway. LINK TO THE INFORMATION ARTICLE: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/uber-discusses-plan-to-lay-off-about-20-of-employees 59:11: DOPE OR NOPE Jason and Johan discuss the Xpeng P7 sedan. PICTURE OF THE VEHICLE: https://en.xiaopeng.com/p7.html

This is episode three of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Sandy Munro (CEO of Munro & Associates), Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on April 27, 2020. SHOW NOTES -- 5:00 — Jason asks about the process of how Munro & Associates analyzes vehicles 7:37 — Johan asks about how Sandy Munro got into this line of work 13:25 — Jason asks Sandy about comparisons between the Model Y and other competing vehicles 21:20 — Sandy elaborates on the construction of the Tesla Model 3 24:59 — Jason asks about how the construction of the Model Y compares to the Model 3 32:30 — Sandy talks about how Tesla has a head start above all auto brands in the EV space 36:00 — Johan asks about whether Sandy thinks Tesla brought back car culture into the U.S. 39:00 — Sandy talks about GM’s EV 1 and why it ultimately failed 41:45 — Sandy, Jason and Johan talk about range anxiety 44:00 — Sandy talks about batteries 46:00 — Sandy talks about the Cybertruck’s steel crumple zone 47:40 — Sandy talks about future aesthetic changes with new stamping presses 58:52 — Jason asks for Sandy’s thoughts on self-driving 1:01:27 — Jason asks Sandy about the robotaxi project

This is episode two of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on April 21, 2020. SHOW NOTES -- SEGMENT 1: 2:42 — Electric vehicle startups receive PPP loans As thousands of small business owners struggle to pay rent and keep their employees on staff, two high-profile electric vehicle startups have applied and received Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans from the Small Business Administration (SBA). Faraday Future received a $9.1 million dollar loan from the program, which is close to the $10 million ceiling allowed by the program. Workhorse Group has also received a $1.4 million loan, which the company will use to cover payroll costs. THE VERGE: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/20/21228241/faraday-future-loan-ev-startup-sba-ppp-workhorse-lucid-motors-rivian SEGMENT 2: 14:55 — Virgin Australia collapses, Richard Brandon puts up island as collateral Virgin Australia is the latest airline casualty, amid COVID-19 related drops in revenue, as the company has entered voluntary administration. Administrators at Deloitte have taken control of the airline and are looking to restructure the business and find a new owner. More than 10 groups have expressed an interest in the airline. BLOOMBERG: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-20/virgin-australia-collapses-as-airline-calls-in-administrators-k992yqn6 SEGMENT 3: 30:15 — Uber does not want to pay for Anthony Levandowski’s legal fees Uber says it is not responsible for paying a $179 million fine that was levied on a former employee, embattled self-driving technology engineer Anthony Levandowski. He recently pled guilty to stealing trade secrets from Waymo, before he started his own company Otto. TECHCRUNCH: https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/20/uber-argues-fraud-absolves-it-from-paying-star-engineers-179m-fine-to-google/ SEGMENT 4: 39:00 — Tesla is building another production facility and the race is on to figure out where it will be located Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the new production facility will focus on Cybertruck and Model Y production for the East Coast, saying the plant would be located in the central U.S. The automaker has been linked to two locations: the Austin, Texas area and the Nashville, Tennessee area. Joplin, Missouri is offering Tesla a $1 billion incentive package to be the location of Tesla’s next U.S. production facility. Jason is putting his money on Austin, while Johan thinks the next facility will be in Tennessee. REUTERS: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-gigafactory/tesla-scouting-central-u-s-for-new-factory-musk-says-idUSKBN20Y04V SEGMENT 5: 48:15 — Dope or Nope — Virgin Trains, backed by Fortress Investment Group, is building a high-speed rail between Las Vegas and the city of Victorville, California, which is about 85 miles away from Downtown LA. LA TIMES: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-25/las-vegas-high-speed-train-project-moving-after-delays — The look of Subaru’s new electric vehicle that is jointly being developed with Toyota — the Evoltis ELECTREK: https://electrek.co/2020/04/20/all-electric-subaru-evoltis-with-oddball-design-to-be-unveiled-in-2021/

This is episode one of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on April 13, 2020. Show Notes: 6:00 — More Americans are staying at home due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Consumers looking for a way to avoid a visit to the grocery store have turned to grocery delivery services, like Instacart, Amazon Prime Now and the like. Jason and Johan talk a bit about their experiences with grocery delivery services and how they can be improved. They also discuss Nuro, an autonomous vehicle startup, that has received permission from the state of California to test its autonomous delivery vehicles on public roads. Johan thinks this may bridge autonomous vehicles and humans together. 20:00 — In China, car sales saw a steep decline in the month of March - about 43% down overall year-over-year, which is over 1 million units. In February, the market was down by about 79%, about 205K units total versus 1.3M units in Feb. 2019. Electric vehicle sales did very well in China in those months. Jason and Johan talk a bit about China’s electric vehicle sales performance and how some people may feel a responsibility to adopt cleaner ways of living to protect the environment. 33:00 — Jason and Johan talk about whether Uber should be shut down entirely. At least one Uber driver in NYC and one Uber driver in London have died from COVID-19, with families blaming their deaths on driving for the ride-hailing service. One Vice writer argued that Uber needs to shut down to all non-essential riders and follow what Didi in China did during the COVID-19 pandemic. Johan and Jason talk about what should be defined as essential travel and how underserved, essential workers are likely still taking more “unsafe” methods of transit, like buses and trains. 43:00 — Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the automaker’s robotaxi service is still on target for this year. Jason and Johan talk about whether this is a viable target. The service would allow people to hail a ride from a Tesla vehicle that is not in use, relying on the vehicle’s full self-driving capabilities to give that ride. Jason thinks that he would have gone for it when he was younger, but today, probably not. Links discussed in the show: LA smog photo comparison: https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-stay-at-home-order-reduced-los-angeles-notorious-smog-2020-4 The Himalayas are visible from India: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/himalayas-visible-lockdown-india-scli-intl/index.html A man was dragged off the train in Philadelphia because he wasn’t wearing a mask: https://abcnews.go.com/US/philadelphia-police-drag-man-mask-off-public-bus/story?id=70104383 Jason’s OWL Cam: https://owlcam.com/

This is episode zero of the Inside Transportation podcast. This podcast was made possible by Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) and Fenwick (www.fenwick.com). Featuring Jason Calacanis (Angel investor, LAUNCH, Inside.com) and Johan Moreno (Inside.com). Subscribe to Inside Transportation newsletter: inside.com/transportation Subscribe to Inside Electric Vehicles newsletter: inside.com/evs Recorded on March 23, 2020. Show Notes: 0:00: Jason and Johan introduce the Inside Transportation podcast and what listeners can expect. 4:00: Coronavirus reduces traffic and pollution around the U.S. Traffic is down exponentially around the U.S. because of “stay at home” mandates around the country. Jason talks about his own experiments with “work from home” and the potential impact of work from home on transportation. New York Times article about reduction in Los Angeles pollution: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/climate/coronavirus-usa-traffic.html 10:30: Public transit has been severely impacted by the coronavirus. Ridership is down about 60 percent on the subways and 49 percent on buses versus the same Monday last year. Jason discusses why he doesn’t think there will be any drastic changes in people using public transit. New York Times article about MTA bailout: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-subway-federal-aid-.html 13:25: Jason and Johan talk about personal car ownership and how it could be impacted by work from home. 15:35: Jason and Johan discuss whether ride-hailing and car-sharing companies would be impacted by the coronavirus? 19:30: Jason and Johan talk a bit more about New York’s transit system, specifically, and Jason proposes a radical idea on how MTA can generate extra revenue. 24:14: Airlines look for $50 billion in federal assistance and promise to end stock buybacks. Jason chimes in on why this may not be a good idea after all and how a potential bailout should be approached. Wall Street Journal article about airline bailouts: https://www.wsj.com/articles/airlines-seek-up-to-50-billion-in-government-aid-amid-coronavirus-crisis-11584378242 32:30: Scooter sharing companies are withdrawing their vehicles from many markets. Jason talks a bit about the promise of these companies and how the public should approach riding these scooters. The Verge article about these scooter sharing withdrawals: https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/20/21188119/electric-scooter-coronavirus-bird-lime-spin-suspend-bikes 40:00: Uber said it would still have about $4 billion in cash by the end of the year, amid COVID-19. Jason and Johan discuss this, with Jason sharing some thoughts on the promise of Uber and how they will get out of the coronavirus pandemic. Link to tweet: https://twitter.com/amir/status/1240619563336663042 44:00: Some potential electric vehicle buyers are rethinking their purchases, due to COVID-19, according to the Inside EVs Poll of the Week. 47:30: Jason and Johan sign off.