Time on Wing Podcast

Shannon discusses his newly launched book, 'Insights for Aviation Business Professionals,' which aims to bridge the knowledge gap in aircraft performance characteristics among finance professionals in the aviation industry. He elaborates on the key specifications that influence aircraft selection, emphasizing the importance of engine reliability and durability, as well as the operational characteristics that impact performance. The discussion also touches on the future of aircraft design, emphasizing the role of aerodynamics and the increasing value of maintenance in aircraft investment decisions.

Donna Ager is our guest for this podcast - a legal expert in aviation. We discuss various aspects of aviation law, including the challenges faced by women in the field, the impact of AI on the industry, and the importance of networking and building connections. 

Phil Bolger shares his extensive journey in the aviation industry, detailing his early influences, the challenges he faced, and the evolution of aircraft leasing. He discusses the strategic growth of GPA, the dynamics of aircraft financing, and the innovations that have shaped the market. Phil also reflects on the role of leasing in airline operations and offers insights into the future of the industry. This conversation delves into the evolution of aircraft leasing, highlighting the significant changes in financing structures, the role of joint ventures, and the impact of sale-leasebacks on the industry. The discussion also covers the risks and challenges faced by lessors today, the importance of maintenance in leasing agreements, and the dynamics of access to capital in the aviation market. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the current state and future of the aviation leasing market, discussing the lack of innovation in financing, the role of leasing companies, and the importance of understanding residual values and engine management. They explore the dynamics of regional aircraft, the impact of M&A trends, and the strategies that lessors can adopt to navigate the evolving landscape. The discussion highlights the significance of technical knowledge in driving value and the challenges of accurately appraising aircraft and engines. 

Phil Seymour shares his extensive journey in aviation, starting from his childhood under the flight path of Heathrow Airport to his career at British Airways and beyond. He discusses the challenges and transitions he faced, including the impact of economic downturns on the aviation industry, his experiences living abroad, and the founding of an airline. Phil also highlights the importance of adaptability and innovation in navigating the complexities of the aviation sector. In this conversation, Phil Seymour discusses his journey in the aviation industry, emphasizing the importance of innovation, data analytics, and leadership during crises. He reflects on the evolution of IBA, the significance of passion and consistency in leadership, and the changing dynamics between appraisers and OEMs. The discussion highlights the need for a data-driven approach in aviation and the opportunities that arise from adapting to new technologies and market demands. In this conversation, Phil Seymour discusses the complexities of aircraft valuation, financing decisions, and the impact of tariffs on the aviation industry. The discussion delves into market dynamics, order book implications, and the challenges posed by economic uncertainty. The speakers also explore the future of aviation, aircraft deliveries, and the nuances of valuation in a fluctuating economic landscape. 

Conor McCarthy shares his journey in aviation, starting from his apprenticeship at Aer Lingus at the age of 16. He discusses his early experiences, the challenges he faced, and his rise through the ranks to become an executive. Conor highlights the transformative period for Aer Lingus with the introduction of the Airbus A330, the challenges posed by competitors like Ryanair, and the strategic decisions made to adapt to the evolving aviation landscape. His insights reflect a deep passion for the industry and a commitment to innovation and progress.

In this conversation, Ken Newton shares his extensive experience in the aviation industry, detailing his journey from the Marine Corps to Alaska Airlines. He discusses the evolution of Alaska Airlines, the importance of safety culture, and the challenges faced during mergers and integrations. Ken also addresses the current state of engine technology, supply chain challenges, and the future of the airline industry as he prepares for retirement.Ken discusses his path through the Marine Corps, Flying Tigers, FedEx, and Alaska Airlines. The conversation focuses on engines, including Ken's experience with the CFM56 and the new LEAP-1B. We also discuss the future of engine programs, reliability, and fuel burn.

David shares his journey in the aviation industry, detailing his transition from a sales assistant to the founder of Setna IO. He discusses the challenges faced during the COVID-19 pandemic, the strategic decisions made to navigate the crisis, and the subsequent growth of his company. Chaimovitz emphasizes the importance of understanding the market, building relationships, and maintaining a proactive approach in business. He also shares insights on the future of the aviation industry and the potential for continued growth despite challenges. David discusses the intricacies of managing aircraft parts and the MRO business, emphasizing the importance of data-driven decision-making and understanding market dynamics. He highlights the challenges faced in the industry, including the complexities of aircraft tear down and parts recovery, and the need for diverse buyer perspectives. Additionally, Chaimovitz shares insights on how population trends may impact the aviation industry and offers a future outlook for his company and the sector as a whole.

Evan details his journey through various roles in aircraft financing and consulting. We discuss the evolution of the aviation industry, the impact of financial innovations, and the significant changes brought about by events like 9/11. The speaker also highlights their recent work in forecasting and consulting within the aircraft ABS market, showcasing their expertise and insights into the industry's future. This conversation delves into the complexities of the aviation finance market, focusing on the dynamics of asset-backed securities (ABS) and the evolving landscape post-COVID. The speakers discuss investment opportunities, the impact of global events on aviation, and the resilience of the industry amidst various crises. They also explore the differences between current ABS structures and those from the past, highlighting the importance of cash flow certainty and the potential for innovative financing solutions for lessors. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the current state of the aircraft ABS market, discussing innovative leasing structures, the impact of COVID-19, and future trends in aircraft valuation. They explore the dynamics of secondary trading, risk assessment in investments, and the implications of changing lease structures on the market. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding market trends and the potential opportunities that arise in the evolving landscape of aviation finance.

We welcome back Mark Streeter and Jamie Baker from JP Morgan Chase.  We discuss what happened in 2024 and what's likely to happen in 2025 in commercial aviation.The conversation provides a comprehensive update on the airline industry, focusing on market trends, capacity discipline, leasing strategies, and financial maneuvers such as sale leasebacks. The speakers discuss the implications of these factors for 2024 and beyond, highlighting the evolving dynamics of the airline market and the influence of OEMs on capacity and leasing strategies. They also reflect on unexpected developments in aircraft recovery and the overall financial health of airlines. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of airline profitability, particularly focusing on Spirit Airlines and its challenges in competing with major players like Delta. They discuss the evolving business models in the airline industry, emphasizing the shift from traditional loyalty programs to more currency-like systems. The conversation also touches on consumer behavior, the changing dynamics of airline club experiences, and the cultural value that airlines like Southwest bring to the table. Looking ahead to 2025, the speakers share their predictions for the industry, highlighting potential shifts and opportunities.

In this conversation, Mike Platt and John Shavinsky share their diverse backgrounds in aviation, discussing their journeys from engineering to legal roles and the evolution of the aviation industry. They delve into the complexities of aircraft leasing, the challenges faced by airlines today, and the implications of current market dynamics on future aircraft orders. The discussion highlights the importance of experience and knowledge in navigating the aviation landscape, especially in light of recent industry changes. This conversation delves into the complexities of the aircraft leasing market, exploring the challenges faced by airlines and lessors in a rapidly changing economic landscape. The discussion highlights the long-term implications of aircraft orders, the competitive nature of leasing, and the need for flexibility in contracts. The speakers also reflect on the future of aircraft technology and the importance of strategic planning in the face of uncertainty. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of the aircraft leasing market, discussing the challenges of maintenance, the dynamics of aircraft pricing, and the future of airline economics. They explore the implications of rising costs for airlines, particularly in the context of Air India's growth and the broader aviation market. The discussion also touches on the role of lessors in managing aircraft and the challenges faced by OEMs in meeting delivery demands. Overall, the conversation provides valuable insights into the current state and future outlook of the aviation industry.

Brian Rynott shares his journey through the aviation industry, detailing his early passion for aviation, career transitions, and experiences at major companies like American Airlines and AWAS. He discusses the evolution of Intrepid Aviation and his current role, providing insights into the aviation landscape and personal anecdotes that shaped his career. In this conversation, Brian Rynott discusses his journey in the aviation industry, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. He emphasizes the importance of building long-term relationships with clients, understanding the intricacies of the business, and leveraging data to inform marketing strategies. Rynott also highlights the evolving role of airlines as strategic buyers of aircraft and the need for lessors to adapt to these changes. The discussion underscores the significance of personal interactions in a digital age and the value of adding insights beyond just financial metrics in business transactions. In this conversation, the speakers discuss the evolution of aircraft buying processes, the maturity of the leasing industry, and the rise of lessors and new financial structures. They explore the changes in the aviation finance landscape, the impact of market dynamics on leasing strategies, and the comparative analysis of aviation with other capital-intensive industries. The discussion highlights the importance of adapting to industry changes and the future outlook for aircraft leasing.

SummaryIn this conversation, Jochen Schnadt shares his lifelong passion for aviation, detailing his journey from aspiring pilot to air traffic controller, and eventually to founding JetMagic and Fly4 Airlines. He discusses the challenges faced in the airline industry, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the evolving consumer behavior that impacts travel patterns. Jochen emphasizes the importance of adaptability in aviation and reflects on the industry's need to improve its narrative regarding environmental challenges. The discussion also touches on the role of ACMI in modern aviation and the significance of understanding market dynamics.TakeawaysJochen's passion for aviation began at age six.He transitioned from aspiring pilot to air traffic controller.JetMagic faced challenges due to undercapitalization.The airline industry is complex and often frustrating.COVID-19 has fundamentally changed consumer behavior.ACMI has become a strategic tool for airlines post-COVID.Seasonality presents both risks and opportunities for airlines.Consumer preferences are shifting towards cooler destinations.The adaptability of the aviation industry is remarkable.The industry needs to improve its public relations regarding environmental impact.Sound Bites"I was 20 years younger and had more energy.""The adaptability of the industry is just unbelievable.""COVID has been a catalyst for seismic shifts."

This episode turns the tables on Gueric and Courtney by having industry listeners interview them.  David Sims and Brian Rynott join to torture the original hosts with questions about themselves.  This podcast touches on the history of the podcast, as well as leadership styles and lessons learned.

Adam Pilarski shares his background and journey in aviation, from his initial disinterest in the industry to his career at McDonnell Douglas and eventually joining of Avitas. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the logic behind business decisions and the value of being authentic and truthful in his work. Adam also discusses the evolution of data and resources in the industry, highlighting the need to balance the use of advanced models with a clear understanding of the underlying reasons and relationships. He concludes by expressing his passion for economics and his enjoyment of his work. In this conversation, Adam Pilarski discusses his experiences in the aviation industry and shares his insights on various topics. He talks about his time at McDonnell Douglas and his transition to Avitas, highlighting the changes he has witnessed in the industry over the years. Adam also reflects on some surprises he encountered, such as the rapid fall of communism, and the importance of timing in making accurate forecasts. He emphasizes the need to consider factors like population growth, geopolitical issues, and technological advancements when assessing the future of aviation.

Bryson Monteleone shares his journey in the aviation industry, starting from his work in politics to his transition into aviation consulting. He discusses his experience working for Mort Beyer and the valuable insights he gained from the industry luminary. Bryson also talks about his time at MBA and the challenges he faced, including a lawsuit over his first appraisal. He then explains his role at PwC and the unique services his team provides in aviation finance advisory. The conversation touches on the changing approach to appraisals and the evolving needs of clients in the industry. The conversation explores the granular nature of aircraft valuation and the challenges of defining value in the aviation industry. The valuation approach requires a breakdown and build-up of value, taking into account various factors such as individual aircraft structures and components. The conversation also touches on the importance of considering the exit paradigm and the impact of COVID-19 on valuation methodologies. The discussion focuses on the role of appraisers in the sustainability conversation and the need for transparency and education in the industry. Bryson highlights the complexity of valuing aircraft in the context of emerging sustainable technologies and the importance of scenario building and expertise in providing informed advice to clients. The conversation with Bryson Monteleone covered various topics related to the aviation industry. One theme that emerged was the passion and enthusiasm of the younger generation for aviation. They are eager to learn from the experiences of older professionals and appreciate the stories and anecdotes that shape the industry. Another theme was the evolution of technology in aviation and its impact on the industry. The discussion touched on the challenges and opportunities presented by new technologies, such as un-ducted fans and sustainable aviation fuel. The conversation also highlighted the importance of stability and maturation in adopting new technologies. 

Rob Dewar shares his journey in aviation, from his childhood fascination with planes to his career at Bombardier and Airbus. He highlights the importance of curiosity and a passion for learning in pursuing a career in aerospace. Dewar also discusses the challenges and milestones of developing the C-Series (now A220) aircraft, including the development of a full-scale wooden mock-up and the successful first flight. He emphasizes the global nature of the aviation industry and the need for continuous innovation and sustainability in the coming years.

Steve Rimmer shares his journey in the aviation industry, which started with his upbringing and passion for airplanes. He discusses how chance and being in the right place at the right time played a role in his career. Steve talks about his experience working with British Aerospace, Security Pacific Bank, Curtis & Company, and Guggenheim Partners. He emphasizes the importance of having a strong team and expertise in understanding the asset in aviation investing. Steve also discusses the challenges of commoditization in the industry and the need to go beyond spreadsheets to make informed investment decisions. In this conversation, Steve Rimmer discusses the challenges and opportunities in the aircraft leasing industry. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the big picture and the value of personal relationships in the industry. Rimmer also highlights the need for a forward-looking mindset and the ability to adapt to changing dynamics. He discusses the impact of delays in aircraft deliveries and the potential overtrade opportunities for airlines. Rimmer also explores the future of the industry, including the role of engine OEMs, the potential for new aircraft programs, and the importance of managing risk.

Frank O'Hagan shares his journey in the aviation industry, from growing up at an airport to working in aircraft maintenance and transitioning to the banking side of aviation. He discusses his experiences with aircraft, leasing, and the challenges of managing aircraft transitions and inspections. The conversation covers a wide range of topics related to the aviation industry, including the role of technical teams in auditing maintenance facilities, the responsibilities of a head of marketing, challenges and opportunities in the leasing industry, the impact of environmental regulations, and the importance of maintenance skills in the leasing industry. The conversation covers the challenges and complexities of aircraft maintenance and the involvement of lessors in the MRO space. It also delves into the creation of a transportation training center for vision-impaired individuals, as well as the significance of becoming an ISTAT certified appraiser.

Mary Ellen Jones (Mej) has had quite a journey through the aviation industry, from her early career in government relations to her transition into sales and her experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic. She shares insights into the challenges, benefits, and surprises of her career, highlighting the fulfillment she found in various roles and the importance of mentorship and adaptability. The conversation covers Mej's experience in the aviation industry, including her transition to working in Asia Pacific and China, the challenges she faced, the importance of reliable childcare, and the impact of assumptions on career decisions. It also delves into Mej's involvement with JetZero, a company developing a blended wing body airplane, and the challenges and opportunities in the aviation industry. The conversation delves into the evolution of aircraft engines, the impact of engine technology on airframe design, and the challenges and opportunities for engine manufacturers in the aviation industry. It also highlights the importance of women in aviation and the critical need for skilled technicians in the industry.

SummaryEdmond Huot talks with Gueric and Courtney about branding in the airline industry. The conversation explores the importance of understanding the client's personality and decision-making dynamics in creating effective campaigns. It delves into the story of working on the Island Air brand and the involvement of Larry Ellison. The discussion also touches on the significance of liveries in branding and the role of AI in the industry. The guest emphasizes the need to marry new technology with a retro feel and the importance of human creativity and intention in design. The conversation concludes with a focus on the future of aviation and the potential for incorporating nostalgic elements into modern experiences. In this conversation, Edmond Huot discusses the importance of branding in the airline industry and shares his insights on creating memorable and impactful brand experiences. He emphasizes the need for airlines to differentiate themselves and create a unique identity in a crowded market. The conversation also touches on the role of nostalgia in branding and the importance of understanding the customer journey. Edmond shares examples of successful and unsuccessful airline branding efforts and highlights the challenges and opportunities in branding for B2B organizations like aircraft lessors and investors.TakeawaysUnderstanding the client's personality and decision-making dynamics is crucial in creating effective campaigns.Liveries play a significant role in branding and can evoke emotions and create a sense of nostalgia.AI has its place in the industry, but human creativity and intention are still essential for creating meaningful designs.The future of aviation involves incorporating new technology while maintaining a sense of romance and nostalgia.The small details and personal touches in the travel experience can make a significant impact on customer satisfaction. Differentiation is key in the crowded airline industry. Airlines need to create a unique identity and brand experience to stand out.Nostalgia can be a powerful tool in branding, evoking emotions and creating a sense of connection with customers.Understanding the customer journey is crucial in developing effective branding strategies. Airlines need to anticipate objections and address the needs and preferences of their target audience.Branding for B2B organizations like aircraft lessors and investors requires a deep understanding of the industry, the political environment, and the specific needs of the target market.Successful branding involves a combination of art and science, balancing different criteria and creating a brand that resonates with the target audience.Creating a memorable and impactful brand experience requires attention to detail, understanding the customer mindset, and anticipating objections.Airlines should strive to create a brand that is authentic, differentiated, and resonates with their target audience.TitlesThe Role of AI in the IndustryThe Significance of Liveries in Branding The Power of Nostalgia in Airline BrandingThe Art and Science of Successful BrandingSound Bites"Liveries are giant dartboards and everyone has an opinion.""When you buy an island, you need an airline.""Do liveries really matter? And why did Larry Ellison think so?""But... Which was beautiful at first and now it's a dime a dozen, right?""So bringing nostalgia back, what I want to see, I want to go to the airport. Fine, show me the flight number.""United Airlines was the friendship airline."

Brett Snyder shares his journey in the aviation industry, starting from his childhood fascination with airplanes to working in the airline and travel industry. He discusses his experiences at America West, United, and PriceGrabber, as well as the founding of his blog, Cranky Flier, and his travel agency, Cranky Concierge. He also talks about his challenges during the pandemic and how he adapted his business to survive. The conversation covers the evolution of the Cranky Network Weekly and the weekly discussions on airline schedules. They discuss the challenges of forecasting schedules during the COVID-19 pandemic and the unpredictability of airline operations.The conversation then shifts to the trends in the North American airline industry, including consolidation, up-gauging, and the rise of ULCCs. They discuss the current struggles of ULCCs and the need for the business model to adapt. Southwest Airlines and JetBlue are facing challenges in the middle market. Spirit Airlines is facing financial difficulties and struggles with negative perceptions. In this final part of the conversation, Brett Snyder discusses the potential outcomes of Spirit Airlines' bankruptcy and the challenges they may face. He also explores the possibility of new airlines entering the market and the role of credit card partnerships in the industry.

What would it take to break up the duopoly?  A lot of money, strong aftermarket support, and a healthy dose of insanity.Ross Mitchell of MHIRJ joins us on the Time on Wing Podcast to discuss his history in the regional space.  The conversation also touches on the challenges of flying gliders and the transition to powered airplanes. Ross discusses his transition from contracts to marketing at Bombardier and shares insights into the aviation industry during the early 2000s, including campaigns and the factors that influenced airline decisions. The conversation covers various topics related to the aviation industry, including the shortage of maintenance technicians, the future of regional aircraft, and the longevity of the CRJ-700. Ross Mitchell, from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Regional Jet (MHIRJ), discusses the challenges of recruiting maintenance technicians and the need to promote the career to younger generations. He also mentions that the CRJ-700 and CRJ-900 will continue to be in service for a long time due to their economic performance and lack of a suitable replacement. The conversation highlights the importance of maintaining smaller markets and the impact of aircraft retirements on those communities. We explore the importance of regional aircraft in the aviation industry and the challenges they face. It highlights the misconception that regional aircraft have shorter lifespans compared to larger aircraft and emphasizes their role in connecting passengers to long-haul flights. The discussion also touches on the difficulty of breaking up the narrow-body duopoly and the importance of aftermarket support in the success of new aircraft. The conversation concludes with insights into the business aircraft market and the differences in selling luxury aircraft compared to commercial aircraft.

What if the most efficient way to move air travelers might be on the ground?Seat costs and carbon emissions 90% lower than airborne options, industry-leading seat pitch, 100% available wifi, air-side connections, and the guaranteed lowest cruise altitude... flight level zero.David Sunde of The Landline Company shares how he used his extensive knowledge of airline networks to find the most cost-effective, sustainable way to connect passengers.Takeaways-The aviation industry is complex and fascinating, with various aspects such as revenue management, engineering, and operations.- Understanding the intersection of automation and human intervention is crucial in airline operations.- Working at a startup in the aviation industry provides valuable experience and prepares individuals for starting their own businesses.- The pilot shortage and the importance of the airport experience are significant factors in the transportation industry. Landline is a mobility company focused on providing a cost-effective and convenient alternative to personal car trips to the airport.- They use buses as the mode of transportation and work with airlines like American, Air Canada, Sun Country, and United to offer seamless connections for passengers.- Landline has created unique experiences, such as carrying passengers tarmac to tarmac and providing a non-sterile network.- Their goal is to capture the market of people who currently drive themselves to the airport and offer them a more affordable and efficient option. Landline provides bus-to-air connections in high-traffic corridors, offering certainty and convenience for travelers.- They adjust block times for traffic and take on the risk of buffer time to ensure passengers make their connections.- Landline aims to extend its distribution capability beyond airport codes and consider all transportation options for travelers.- The company prioritizes practical and incremental steps to reduce CO2 emissions and believes multimodal transportation is a key solution.Sound Bites"If you like the business of doing business, there is no business like the airline business.""Until we start interstellar travel, this is the coolest thing.""The complexities of the airline industry and the challenges of getting it right.""These are airline guys running a bus company.""We're not tied to the bus forever. We're a mobility company primarily focused on taking people off the road on the way to the airport.""We're building this network that exists outside the airport to get people off the road.""This is not a rounding error.""The thing that people traveling value more than anything is certainty.""All that buffer time, we basically take on the risk of the buffer time that you would give yourself."

Lawfirm vs. lessor vs. airline - which is a more demanding environment?Priscilla Branco, SVP of Marketing for Macquarie Air Finance, talks through her history in law, airlines, and aircraft lessors.  We also spend time discussing the Latin American market and what makes it so dynamic.Priscilla brings a breadth of knowledge to the Time on Wing podcast and finally gives the Latin American market the attention it deserves.

What does aircraft and engine maintenance have to do with leasing aircraft?  Everything.We have a conversation with Shannon Ackert to talk about the changes coming in the industry with maintenance costs and escalation.  Shannon regales listeners with a master class in the technical side of aircraft financing.

What are some of the challenges the airline industry is facing in achieving sustainability?We talk sustainability with Shashank Nigam and Dirk Singer of Simpliflying.  The discussion proves to be far more nuanced than "don't emit carbon."

How do aircraft manufacturers consider new aircraft development?This latest Time on Wing podcast welcomes Andy Shankland, Managing Director and Partner at Seabury Aviation Partners.  Andy's former roles included time at British Aerospace and Airbus, which brings a bounty of experience for  him to call on during the podcast.

What does it take to build an aviation software business from the bottom up?  Forget the common paths.  Thomas Jaeger and Max Oldorf discuss the genesis of ch-aviation and how it grew into the company it is today.

What was it like trading DC-10-30s?  It was good.  Very good.Jep Thornton talks about the various cycles in aircraft trading and leasing.  We discuss the history of the leasing business and how today is different but still the same.Finally, we discuss what is likely to come in aviation and which fleet types are likely to succeed.

It's widely accepted that SAF will have a future in aviation, but what exactly is SAF?  Ashwin Jadhav joins us from Twelve to discuss how they are creating sustainable aviation fuels directly from CO2.  This is just one of many SAF solutions that will be made available in the coming days and Ashwin breaks down the complexities into how Twelve is helping move the industry toward 2050.Subscribe through your favorite podcast app to hear all Time on Wing discussions with aviation industry leaders.

Which airlines have the strongest brands today?  Henry Harteveldt, President of Atmosphere Research and expert of all things travel and airline branding, discusses his path through the airline marketing and research world.  We discuss airline marketing techniques, winners and losers, and the effects of status and loyalty.

How will the recent AOG fake parts scandal change aviation?Adam Belusko from Avtrac discusses the past, present, and future challenges with the parts market, and how closely values are tied to tracking.  Adam also announces a new acquisition by Avtrac as the sector continues to consolidate around the capable.  We discuss the shortage of maintenance technicians and how aviation is (or isn't) rising to the challenge.

When can we start seeing benefits toward 2050 carbon targets?  Why not today?Chris Jones of Aero Design Labs discusses the options available today to achieve incremental CO2 reduction today.  He walks through his history as in several OEM sales roles and how his path has defined his unique leadership style.

What's in store for aircraft manufacturers over the next decade? Richard Aboulafia, Managing Director at AeroDynamic Advisory, walks us through his journey through aviation and how he thinks about the current state of the industry.We talk Boeing, Airbus, and emerging technologies in this latest episode.

What does it take to bring a new aircraft program to market?During this discussion, John Feren of SplitRock Aviation calls on his decades of experience at Boeing, ACG, and L3.  It takes us through ESG, emerging technologies, and aircraft design, marketing, and sales challenges.

In the new world of supply chain challenges, how does a full-service aircraft maintenance and component service plan for the future?  Digitally.Abdol Moabery joins the Time on Wing Podcast to discuss the story of GA Telesis from its beginnings, through COVID, to today and into to the future.

What is behind the business of aviation intelligence?Jon Ostrower, Editor in Chief of The Air Current, discusses the business of covering aviation in the media.  We discuss the challenges at Boeing, as well as the stories worth watching over the next decade.

What does closing a good deal in commercial aircraft in 2023 take?  Pam Hendry, VP and Treasurer at United Airlines discusses her time on wing in aviation finance, including an illustrious career at ILFC and United Airlines. 

What should be done to address accessibility on aircraft, and what's too far?  We discuss accessibility in air travel, as well as Mike's past at United Airlines, Continental, Alitalia, Air New Zealand, Qatar Airways, Aero Mexico, LATAM, and Avianca.  

What is the most critical factor in buying and selling aircraft?It's the people, according to Rod Sheridan.  This episode explores the wilds of Canadian aviation, building creative deal-making, and the power of relationships in aviation.

After a bumpy ride, what's in store for air cargo?Tom Crabtree of Trade and Transport Group dives into the OEM approaches to building freighters and the outlook for the market.  Tom talks 767F, 777F, A330F, A350F, 757P2F replacements and the outlook for the A321P2F.

Do you know what it takes to source 727-100s from Santiago, Chile?  Ron does.Ron Anderson regales listeners with legendary stories of aviation not-so-distant past.  We discuss the shenanigans that took place while sourcing an early fleet for FedEx.  Ron remembers the start of ISTAT, his time at Intrepid Aviation and his most recent role at Alpha Aviation Partners.

How has the business of commercial aviation leasing changed over the past 20 years?Aisling McCarthy, Managing Director at Avionix provides her insights on the leasing business over the past two decades.  We discuss sustainability and diversity in aviation, as well as the  future of the space.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

Is there a shift in priority for the airlines away from selling tickets to loyalty revenues?Mark Streeter is Managing Director of REIT, Aircraft leasing, Airline/EETC (among others) credit research for J.P. Morgan.Jamie Baker as Managing Director North America equity research for Airlines and Aircraft leasing, also for J.P. Morgan.Batman and Robin.  The debate is still open on which is which.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

In which direction is the smart money in aviation pointed?Steve Mason, Managing Director and Head of Aviation at ITE Management discusses investment in airborne assets.  We talk about aircraft development, the future of ESG, and how Steve leads his team to be leaders in the space.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

What if we told you there was an electric, autonomous aircraft already in revenue service?  We speak with Michael Norcia, Co-founder and CEO of Pyka about the challenges of bringing new technology aircraft to market.  We discuss the business of autonomous flight, eVTOLs, and the process and challenges in certifying new technology.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

What is in store for the future of the commercial aircraft market?  Darren Hulst discusses his path to The Boeing Company and how his leadership style was tested during COVID.  We talk about the coming challenges for the aircraft market and how the commercial aviation industry will adapt going forward.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

Remember turboprops?  Stuart Klaskin does, and he makes a lot of money from this underappreciated sector of the industry.Stuart Klaskin walks us through his foray into aviation, including his most recent position as CEO of Jetstream Aviation Capital.  We discuss how the philosophy of knowledgeable investment in turboprops and a willingness to work with your customers brings unique value in aircraft investing.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

What does the economy suggest for the future of aviation?Dr. Stuart Hatcher, Chief Economist at IBA, walks us through his foray into aviation and long tenure with IBA.  We talk about the challenges of presenting, potential consolidation in the aircraft lessor space, and the regional economics of the Middle East, India, and Africa.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation's leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

What are the realistic paths of sustainability in aviation?Jim Morrison, Chief Risk Officer of Avolon, discusses his path through aviation to the top risk spot of Avolon.  We talk OEM game theory, NEO vs Max, sustainable fuels, and carbon taxes.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation's leaders discuss their Time on Wing.

How is making a night landing on an aircraft carrier on an F-14 different from running an airline?Steve Harfst, President and CEO of Eastern Airlines, discusses his diverse career from naval fighter pilot to airline CEO.  We discuss the Indian aviation market, the costs of the cargo business, and the business of burning green time on JT-9 and RB-211 engines.Subscribe to the podcast and listen to aviation's leaders discuss their Time on Wing.