Talking Scared

We're finally on the path of The Beam.   The Dark Tower Readalong reaches the land of wonder and ruination, in Book 3, The Waste Lands. Accompanied by Nat and Chris, we battle the great bear, get dirty in the speaking ring, and brave the streets of Lud.   But we also have the first quake in our Ka-tet, when Chris offers the most egregiously wrong opinion that anyone could offer on these books. You may agree with him… but if you do, we have a problem.   I have never cursed or yelled so much on this show before!!   Nonetheless, we have fun, we push on, and we're still friends (just about).   Enjoy!   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

John Connolly is, in my opinion, the greatest living writer working in the overlap of crime and horror. His long-running series of novels—focused on the Strange cases of his haunted detective, Charlie Parker—is now over twenty books strong. The latest, The Children of Eve is a pivotal instalment, so this seemed a good time to get John on the show, to grill him about this saga's many mysteries, and hideous horrors.   We talk about creating iconic villains, writing violence against the vulnerable, the monstrous feminine and the strange truth of Parker's nature.   There's also some very exciting info on a possible TV adaptation!   Enjoy!   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's a week of sadness and hilarity on Talking Scared.   The happy stuff comes courtesy of Sarah Pinborough, author of Weird domestic gothics, like Behind Her Eyes and the brand new ghost story (or is it?) We Live Here Now. We talk about confounding expectations, about the rules of the psychological thriller, about the British horror scene then and now, and about the dark truth that we all lie to each other.   The sadness... well you'll hear that in the outro if you want to stick around for it. If not, no worries at all.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:  The Reckoning (2005), by Sarah Pinborough Breeding Ground (2006), by Sarah Pinborough Behind Her Eyes (2016), by Sarah Pinborough Every Dead Thing (1999), by John Connolly The Sleepwalkers (2024), by Scarlett Thomas The Woman in Black (1983), by Susan Hill The Shining (1977), by Stephen King The Haunting of Hill House (1959), by Shirley Jackson No One Gets Out Alive (2014), by Adam Nevill The Hamlet (2025), by Joanna Corrance   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Talking Scared goes live!   In April I was invited to chair a conversation between Michelle Paver and Ally Wilkes at the Oxford Literary Festival. I duly leapt on a train and bundled my way there – to ask the two survival horror queens about their stories of haunting and isolation in the coldest parts of the world.   We talk about handling the Victorian attitudes of exploration horror, the unique properties of fear in the vast open, and how their law careers led them to write such wild stories.   Also, we hear quite a lot of juicy info about their forthcoming jungle horror novels.   Thanks to the Oxford Literary Festival for the invitation.   Other books mentioned:   The Worst Journey in the World (1922), by Apsley Cherry-Garrard Female Husbands: A Trans History (2020), by Jen Manion  “The Man Whom The Trees Loved,” (1912), by Algernon Blackwood.   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Send in the clowns!   In this Off Book episode I talk to Eli Craig, director of cult-classic Tucker and Dale vs Evil, and the man who put Clown in a Cornfield up on the big screen.   After crowbarring my way into his press day, I asked him what drew him to the project, what else there is to ‘do' with scary clowns and slashers in cinema, and what this movie has to say about Middle America right now.   We go deeper than you'd expect for a movie about clowns chasing kids with chainsaws.   Enjoy   Clown in a Cornfield is in cinemas from May 9th.   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Let's get grim and dark with Lord Grimdark!   Perhaps the greatest benefit of having a book podcast like mine is the opportunity to speak to my very favourite authors. I've been reading Joe Abercrombie's violent, world-weary dark fantasy for TWENTY years! And now he's on the show.   Consider me excited.   His new book may be called The Devils, and it may contain werewolves, vampires, necromancers and oceans of blood – but it's quite a cheery affair for Joe. I have never laughed so much in preparation for an interview.   We talk writing the most anti of antiheroes, gender-flipping the catholic church, and why you shouldn't sleep with people who own swords.   It's a lot of fun.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   A Game of Thrones (1996), by George R. R. Martin Wizard of Earthsea (1968), by Usula K. Le Guin LA Confidential (1990) by James Ellroy Blood Meridian (1995), by Cormac McCarthy   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Brian Keene has written so many damn books! …and I had never read any of them.   This absolute horror faux-pas (and my embarrassment) is the reason that it's taken so long to get Brian on the show. But I set a week aside and read as many Keene books as I could and here we are… on a leisurely stroll through Brian's life and career,both of which he has devoted to stories of really nasty s*** happening to undeserving people. We talk abouthis bleak coming-of-age novel, Ghoul, his story of a homicidal nightfrom hell, The Complex, and his sombre study of mortality and writing inthe 21st century, The End of the Road. And between all that we cover hope and nihilism, we ask if horror could help shore up the failing centre, and Brian talks me through all the great writers I missed when I wasn't paying enough attention to horror. Enjoy!   Other books mentioned: The Rising (2003), by Brian Keene Entombed (2011), by Brian Keene Ghoul (2007), by Brian Keene End of the Road (2020), by Brian Keene The Cellar (1980), by Richard Laymon The Beast House (1986), by Richard Laymon The Island (1995), by Richard Laymon A Writer's Tale (1998), by Richard Laymon The Girl Next Door (1989), by Jack Ketchum Survivor (2002), by J.F. Gonzalez A Choir of Ill Children (2007) by Tom Piccirilli “Sticks” (1974), by Karl Edward Wagner “West Of Matamoros, South of Hell” (2017), by Brian Hodge (in Best Horror of the Year, Volume 10, edited by Ellen Datlow) The Day of the Door (2024), by Laurel Hightower The Better To Eat You With (2024), by Wesley Southard   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I've been looking forward to releasing this one…   Nat Cassidy comes to Talk Scared about When the Wolf Comes Home, his new novel that I –and people like me – are already calling out as one of the Best Books of the Year™.   It's a shaggy, undisciplined, sprinting beast of a book that obeys no rules. You may think it's a werewolf novel, and you may be right... but also very wrong. It's a book about transformations of many kinds, about fatherhood and the very nature of fear itself. But it's also funny, scary and sad as hell.   You'll love the damn thing, and this conversation.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Mary: An Awakening of Terror (2022), by Nat Cassidy Nestlings (2023), by Nat Cassidy Play Nice (forthcoming, 2025), by Rachel Harrison   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Back to the 80s this week for one of the most singular horror movies of the year – now streaming on Shudder. Dead Mail is an ode to the era, but there are no neon fonts or leg warmers (or Olivia Newton Johns) here. Instead we're in the drear of the decade, for a story about a synth-obsessed man who keeps his business partner captive in his flock-wallpapered bathroom. The poor victim's only hope is the investigative ‘Dead Mail' department of his local post office. If that sounds mad… well, it is. And I'm joined by Kyle McConaghy, one half of the writing/directing duo behind the movie. We talk about scripting the crazy, about the hands-on reality of low-budget filmmaking, replicating 80s aesthetics, and a big bucket full of rubber rats. Enjoy! Dead Mail is streaming on Shudder from Friday 18th April   Support Talking Scared on Patreon Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the week that the world changed, we're talking about the last time things got this crazy.   Katherine Arden is the author of The Warm Hands of Ghosts — a novel set in the trenches of the First World War and on the borderline between horror and fantasy. It's a Faustian pact made in No-Man's Land, where our memories are the price we pay for keeping ourselves alive.   In this episode we talk a lot about history, about inflection points and moments of no-return. We talk about how systems of power can seem so complex that they lead only to ruin – but we also talk devils and fairies and angels and brave, brave nurses with scarred hands.   It's a joy of a conversation, about the most hideous time to be alive.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   The Bear and the Nightingale (2017), by Katherine Arden The Buffalo Hunter Hunter (2025), by Stephen Graham Jones Wasteland: The Great War and the Origin of Modern Horror (2018), by W. Scott Pool Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell (2004), by Susanna Clarke The Master and the Margarita (1940), by Mikhail Bulgakov Lud in the Mist (1926), by Hope Mirrlees Ghosts Have Warm Hands: A Memoir of the Great War (1968), by Will R. Bird Between Two Fires (2012), by Christopher Buehlman Ghost Eaters (2022), by Clay McLeod Chapman Wake Up and Open Your Eyes (2025), by Clay McLeod Chapman Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week we go from Edinburgh, Scotland to Nashville, Tennessee, in the company of crime author Tariq Ashkanani.   Tariq's The Midnight King is a tricky, quasi-metafictional murder mystery about cursed manuscripts, familial secrets and the most heinous murders. It's also a love letter to the kind of occult-tinged American crime epics that both he and I grew up loving.   We talk about the challenge of writing about serial killing without exploitation, about the unstable boundary between crime and horror fiction, about the allure of Hannibal Lecter and the pressure of a good twist.   But mostly we just pay homage to the messy, bloodsoaked myth of America that inspired us so much over the years.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Welcome to Cooper (2021), by Tariq Ashkanani Red Dragon (1981), by Thomas Harris Galveston (2010), by Nic Pizzolatto The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper (2019), by Hallie Rubenhold The Devil All the Time (2011), by Donald Ray Pollock Uzumaki (2000), by Junji Ito Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Time to throw ourselves around. We're covering Punk Goes Horror.   The anthology of stories inspired by punk and alternative rock songs came out just a few weeks back. It brings together a mosh-pit full of authors, both new and established, to transmute their favourite songs into nasty little stories.   I invited the anthology editor, William Sterling, and two of his contributors, Wendy Dalrymple and Brian McCauley, to talk about punk, and horror and the affinity between the two.   We get into our favourite ever gig experiences, the creepy assumptions behind certain emo-songs, and why punk (and music generally) is such an important light in dark times.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Rebel Girl: My Life as a Feminist Punk (2024), by Kathleen Hanna Victorian Psycho (2025), by Virginia Feito Blood on her Tongue (2025), by Johanna van Veen Credenza (2025), by Wendy Dalrymple Breathe in, Bleed Out (2025), by Brian McCauley Poisoned Soup for the Macabre, Depraved and Insane: An Anthology of Nostalgic Terrors (2025), edited by Wendy Dalrymple and Grace R. Reynolds Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The second Let Us Palaver minisode – in which Nat Cassidy dig into the things we couldn't say about The Drawing of the Three, and give MAJOR SPOILERS about whole Dark Tower series. We're really start to wonder if Chris is punking us.   Support Talking Scared on Patreon Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Ka-tet picks up exactly where we left off: on the beaches of Midworld, with Roland Deschain. (If none of that makes any sense to you, go listen to episode one of the Dark Tower Deep Dive immediately) Nat Cassidy, Chris Panatier and I gather for a long, philosophical, expletive-littered conversation about Book 2: The Drawing of the Three. We get further into the character of Roland and his quest, and spend some time with the gaggle of oddballs he meets along his scenic tour of the coast. The seafood is particularly tasty! It's good to be talking Tower again. Enjoy.   Nnedi Okorafor's article on Odetta/Detta   Support Talking Scared on Patreon Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's always great when Stephen Graham Jones comes to Talk Scared with us – but for once we aren't talking about slashers!   No, this time, we're talking vampires! Or are we?   Stephen's new novel, The Buffalo Hunter Hunter, is his best yet. Or at least the one that I love the most. It's an epic and brutal saga of American history and shame, told through three very distinctive voices, speaking across the centuries. There are monsters with fangs AND with flags.   We talk about Stephen's relationship with so-called Indian stories…about his use and misuse of animals in fiction, and the white-knuckle, red-hot writing style that leads to some truly crazy things.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Ledfeather (2008), by Stephen Graham Jones The Only Good Indians (2020), by Stephen Graham Jones The Babysitter Lives / Killer on the Road (2025), by Stephen Graham Jones Ceremony (1977), by Leslie Marmon Silko Riddley Walker (1980), by Russell Hoban A Game of Thrones (1996), by George R. R. Martin The Devils (2025), by Joe Abercrombie I Am Legend (1954), by Richard Matheson Dark Places (2009), by Gillian Flynn Dubliners (1914), by James Joyce Angel Down (2025), by Daniel Kraus The Warm Hands of Ghosts (2024), by Katherine Arden Victorian Psycho (2025), by Virginia Feito Curse of the Reaper (2022), by Brian McCauley Breathe in, Bleed Out (2025), by Brian McCauley   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Saddle up for a weird west week on Talking Scared. The start of a loose trilogy of sorts.   This first instalment features Alex Grecian, talking about his fantastical vision of the Old West (and East) in 2023's Red Rabbit and the brand-new follow-up, Rose of Jericho.   We cover western inspirations, the melancholia of ghosts, Kansas legends and surprising witches. There's also a nerdy little cryptid section thrown in there too cos you know I can't resist.   It's a charmer this week. With a glint in its eye.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   The Yard (2012), by Alex Grecian Lonesome Dove (1985), by Larry McMurtry The Staircase in the Woods (forthcoming 2025), by Chuck Wendig The Summer People (2015), by Kelly Link “Skinders Veil,” in White Cat, Black Dog (2023), by Kelly Link Knock Knock, Open Wide (2023), by Neil Sharpson Pet Semetary (1983), by Stephen King Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No one is doing dystopia right now like Augustina Bazterrica.   After Tender is the Flesh made us all consider vegetarianism, now she's back for a long hard look at patriarchy, religion and populism in The Unworthy.   It's a quiet end of the world, set almost entirely in the confines of a strange convent, and the cult who will do anything to maintain their power.   We talk about how Augustina finds the necessary voice of her characters, why love is just another form of madness, how science-fiction just can't look away from misogyny, and how she once read five books to find a new word for penis.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Tender is the Flesh (2017), by Augustina Bazterrica The Handmaid's Tale (1985), by Margaret Atwood Caliban and the Witch (2004), by Silvia Federici Dune (1965), by Frank Herbert A Canticle For Liebowitz (1959), by Walter M. Miller Jr. Silent Spring (1962), by Rachel Carson Fever Dream (2014), by Samanta Schweblin Los Demenios En El Convento (1985), by Fernando Benitez Brat (2024), by Gabriel Smith The Perfect Nanny (2016), by Leila Slimani   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The latest Off Book episode has me facing my demons. My guest is Scott Derrickson, one of the best horror movie makers to ever do it. He scared us with Sinister, moved us with The Black Phone, marvelled us with Doctor Strange, and ruined my life with The Exorcism of Emily Rose. He's back with The Gorge, a mad genre mashup, starring Anya-Taylor Joy and Miles Teller,  currently streaming on Apple+. Scott joins me for a leisurely conversation about making that artistically-inclined ‘drive-in' movie, as well as a tour through the highs (and lows) of his filmography. We get into the beauty and terror of super 8 film, his relationship with Joe Hill, and the challenge of the substantial, character led horror film. All complemented with blasts of lilting birdsong from Scott's LA garden. Plus, a little hint of what to expect from The Black Phone 2! Enjoy!   Support Talking Scared on Patreon Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ready to hear a conversation about some devastatingly dark things?   Sophie White and I have got you covered!   In this expansive chat, we talk about her calculatingly distressing novel, Where I End – in which an isolated island community plays host to the worst, cruellest kind of loneliness. And that books is a springboard for others things, psychosis, weaponised empathy, real-life atrocity and the way that all that darkness can seep into a place forever.   But then we also have a good old chat about books we love, and we swear a lot… so there's a bright side.   This is a key conversation for me. A pivotal episode.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Recipes For a Nervous Breakdown (2016), by Sophie White Corpsing: My Body and Other Horror Shows (2020), by Sophie White Apt Pupil (1982), by Stephen King The Yellow Wallpaper (1892), by Charlotte Perkins Gilman The Girl Next Door (1989), by Jack Ketchum Sharkheart: A Love Story (2023), by Emily Habeck The Lamb (2025), by Lucy Rose Tender is the Flesh (2017), by Augustina Bazterrica Lunar Park (2005), by Bret Easton Ellis Our Wives Under the Seas (2022), by Julia Armfield Follow Me To Ground (2018), by Sue Rainsford   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Bluesky @talkscaredpod.bsky.social  on Instagram/Threads, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The title speaks volumes this week. It's a mission statement.   Kirsty Logan is the master of certain kind of edgy, on-the-margins fiction, Queer in every meaning of the word. She can be witchy and folkloric, or contemporary and cutting edge – and all of that range is showcased in her new collection, No & Other Love Stories.   We talk about female desire and monstrous fantasy, formal experimentation and the personal logic of stories…and some reassuringly unsettling focus on the erotics of human flesh and menstruation.   Don't say we shy away here at Talking Scared.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Things We Say in the Dark (2019), by Kirsty Logan The Unfamiliar: A Queer Motherhood Memoir (2023), by Kirsty Logan “Skeleton,” by Ray Bradbury (1945), by Ray Bradbury Carrion Crow (2025), by Heather Parry “Tiptoe,” in Not a Speck of Light (2024), by Laird Barron   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Time to misbehave.   Virginia Feito's new novel, Victorian Psycho, is all about good behaviour, positive standards and polite conduct…and what happens when you flout all that, by – I dunno – slaughtering a houseload of people.   It's a much buzzed about book that takes the psychopathy of American Psycho back to the straightlaced, be-corseted world of the 19th Century, then let's rip. We talk about glorious violence, the humour of extremity, Charles Dickens and Bret Easton Ellis…and have a deeply amusing conversation about infanticide.   Queen Victorian would be appalled.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Mrs March (2021), by Virginia Feito American Psycho (1991), by Bret Easton Ellis A Christmas Carol (1843), by Charles Dickens Nightmare Abbey (1818), by Thomas Peacock The Secret Garden (1911), by Frances Hodgson Burnett The Lamb (2025), by Lucy Rose Come Closer (2003), by Sara Gran The Fate of Mary Rose (1981), by Caroline Blackwood David Copperfield (1850), by Charles Dickens   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Check out the Talking Scared Merch line – at VoidMerch   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are you hungry?   Depending on your…erm… tastes, the next hour of conversation will do strange things to your appetite. Our guest is Lucy Rose, whose debut novel, The Lamb renders muscle and fat and sorrow down into a rich stew of cannibalism and rural Gothic.   We talk about how rooted this book is in the landscape, history and folklore of Northern England – and we also talk a lot about eating people. How to make it sound gross… how to make it sound weirdly poetic.   This is a book that's gonna get people talking.   Enjoy!   Other books mentioned:   Tender is the Flesh (2017), by Augustina Bazterrica No & Other Love Stories (2025), by Kirsty Logan The Tryst (2017), by Monique Rossey   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here is the first Let Us Palaver minisode – in which Nat Cassidy and I kick Chris off the call, and get to grips with the inner workings of The Dark Tower, without spoiling anything for him, or any of you on your first trip through these books. If you still listen after this spoiler warning and the two I give in the first few minutes of the episode… well, you only have yourself to blame. But for seasoned ‘slingers. I hope this is fun.   Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“The man in black fled across the desert, and the podcaster followed…”   Welcome to the start of what is sure to be an epic journey. Step by step, over more than a dozen episodes, Talking Scared will be following the beam all the way to the Dark Tower – that mad edifice at the heart of Stephen King's opus. Maybe it's the heart of every story ever told… time will tell.   Unlike Roland Deschain, I don't go alone. I'm joined by author and fellow King-nut, Nat Cassidy (Mary, Nestlings, When the Wolf Comes Home) and absolute newbie, Chris Panatier (The Phlebotomist, The Redemption of Morgan Bright) and in this first ever episode we tussle with the tricky, dusty, thorny opening that is Book One: The Gunslinger.   What follows dives deep into the book, but is 100% spoiler free about anything beyond it. So if you've only read The Gunslinger, you're good to go.   I hope you enjoy our wanderings. I hope you tinct. I hope you darkle.   Other books mentioned:   On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft (2000), by Stephen King It (1986), by Stephen King The Jerusalem Man (1988), by David Gemmell The Book of the New Sun (series, 1980-1987), by Gene Wolfe   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The latest Off Book episode takes you out to the American desert and leaves you there, cold, alone and confused. We're speaking with Dutch Marich, the surprisingly lovely mind behind the most terrifying found footage I've seen in years – The Horror in the High Desert series. These films are full of a particular kind of fear. Never obscure, but always hidden – leaving you as fascinated as you are scared. It's the kind of weird, collective storytelling that used to set internet forums alight! In this 100% spoiler-free conversation, Dutch and I talk about withholding answers, we discuss the scary side of Nevada and his fascination with unexplained disappearances. And he even tell us the tenuous connection between his movies and Stephen King's Desperation. Plus, if you're a fan of these movies, you'll find out a little info on what's coming in the next instalment. Enjoy!   Sign Dutch's petition   Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tyranny is the key this week on Talking Scared this week. How fitting.   Susan Barker's Old Soul is a globe-trotting, decade-spanning supernatural tour of autocracies, from behind the Iron Curtain to contemporary China. If that isn't frightening enough, it also features an ageless woman who curses anyone she meets, a grand cosmic entity, and the exhilaration and terror of deep time.    Heady stuff, and Susan and I talk about all of it – and just why she likes to write about as many times and places in each book as she can.   Enjoy.   Incarnations (2014) by Susan Barker Sayonara Bar (2005), by Susan Barker Ghostwritten (1999), by David Mitchell Number9Dream (2001), by David Mitchell Slade House (2015), by David Mitchell House of Leaves (2000), by Mark Z. Danielewski Under the Skin (2000), by Michelle Faber Audition (1997), by Ryū Murakami The Denial of Death (1973), by Ernest Becker The Three Body Problem (2006), by Cixin Liu You Like it Darker (2024), by Stephen King Starve Acre (2019), by Andrew Michael Hurley Barrowbeck (2024), by Andrew Michael Hurley The Ritual (2011), by Adam Neville   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's a collegial week on Talking Scared. ‘Cos I'm talking dark, occult academia with someone very local to me.   Kate van der Borgh's debut, And He Shall Appear is basically a sinister version of my own life. It's about a young working class lad, like me, who goes to a prestigious university, like me… but there ours paths diverge, as he meets a fellow student who perhaps has diabolical powers.   It's a twisted, obscure, psychological study of unreliable memory, inescapable guilt, and the haunting of not-knowing oneself. Kate and I talk about all of that, as well as the class divide, northern accents, the terror of infinity, favourite ghosts stories, and memories of underrage drinking in the same bars.   The book is great. I'm delighted to help celebrate it.   Enjoy.   The Sense of an Ending (2011), by Julian Barnes The Little Stranger (2009), by Sarah Waters The Pallbearer's Club (2022), by Paul Tremblay We Were Villains (2017), by M. L. Rio The Secret History (1992), by Donna Tartt “All Souls,” in The Ghost Stories of Edith Wharton (1973), by Edith Wharton   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back and Happy New Year. 2025 looms ahead. Frightening. Uncertain. Crazy!!   Our first guest of the year has written the book that best captures this mad future we're living in. Clay McLeod Chapman returns to Talking Scared, to talk about Wake Up And Open Your Eyes – his new novel of mass demonic possession, transmitted through poisonous media, and the destruction of families and communities.   It's… disturbing.   It's also gross as hell. Deliciously so. And we talk about that urge for the the ick! As well as his motivations in writing this book, his anxiety over releasing it, and the sadness that underlies our political echo chambers.   It's a hell of a way to kick off a wild, weird year.   What Kind of Mother (2023), by Clay McLeod Chapman Ghost Eaters (2022), by Clay McLeod Chapman The Deluge (2022), by Stephen Markley Come Closer (2003), by Sara Gran The Stand (1990), by Stephen King Found: An Anthology of Found Footage Horror Stories (2022), ed by, Andrew Cull and Gabino Iglesias American Rapture (2024), by CJ Leede Feast While You Can (2024), by by Mikaella Clements and Onjuli Datta   Support Talking Scared on Patreon   Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Send us a textHow else to end 2024 than with an entirely subjective list of the best things I've read over the year? How many of you will guess the number one spot? I bet none of you will guess the number two?  Let me know your thoughts – what you loved, and what you think I missed Enjoy! Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com  Support the show

Send us a textIt's that time of year again. When I celebrate the winter solstice by getting some horror authors to come and talk in deep, emotional detail about a scary book that we like. This time the Christmas Special Deep Dive kicks the tires and looks under the hood of Stephen King's most underrated novel: From a Buick 8. My friends on this weird-ass-road trip are Ally Malinenko and Nat Cassidy. I asked them to do it for a coupla reasons. 1) They are lovely 2) hey really get King, and 3) they can speak to this book's focus on grief and loss. And oh boy do we talk grief, loss, afterlives and everything else. Turns out it's not just a book about a car after all. Don't worry though, Ally is charming, Nat is snarky and together we'll make you laugh.  And Christmas is supposed to be tinged with melancholy isn't it… Enjoy! Other Books Mentioned Matterhorn (2009), by Karl MarlantesHearts in Atlantis (1999), by Stephen KingThe Colorado Kid (2005), by Stephen King“The Night Flyer” and “Popsy,” in Nightmares and Dreamscapes (1993), by Stephen KingNestlings (2023), by Nat CassidyThis Appearing House (2022), by Ally Malinenko Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com  Support the show

Send us a text… and we're back! Just in time for this seasonal tradition. The State of the Horror Nation 2024 – our expert-led review of the best that the year had to offer in terms of horror writing and pen-and-ink nightmares. I'm joined, as ever by my stalwart co-host for this gig, Emily Hughes, author of Horror For Weenies (go check her mammoth 2025 anticipated horror book list at ReadJumpScares.com) Our special correspondents are Anna Dupre, reviewer and interviewer at Anna Rose Reads, and Stephani Gagnon of the landmark, can't-be-beaten horror podcast, Books In the Freezer They pick their books of 2024, and we talk about the things that have defined the year, whilst also looking forward to what's next. Enjoy! Anna's Essay on IT  https://filmfreakcentral.net/2024/10/terrifier-3-2024/ Books Picked The Eyes Are the Best Part (2024), by Monika KimCuckoo (2024), by Gretchen Felker-MartinAmerican Rapture (2024), by C.J. LeedeWoodworm (2024), by Layla MartinezNight's Edge (2024), by Liz KerinSo Thirsty (2024),  by Rachel HarrisonModel Home (2024), by Rivers SolomonI Was a Teenage Slasher (2024), by Stephen Graham Jones  Books Anticipated Victorian Psycho (2025), by Virginia FeitoThe Poorly Made (2025), by Sam RebeleinThe Unworthy (2025), by Augustina BazterricaThe Buffalo Hunter Hunter (2025), by Stephen Graham JonesBat Eater (2025), by Kylie Lee BakerSick Houses: Haunted Homes and the Architecture of Dread (2025), by Leila TaylorThe Haunting of Room 904 (2025), by Erika T. Wurth8114 (2025),by Joshua HullWhen the Wolf Comes Home (2025), by Nat CassidySenseless (2025), by Ronald MalfiKing Sorrow (2025), by Joe HillAnd He Shall Appear (2025), by Kate van der BorghNowhere Burning (2025), by Catriona WardGirl in the Creek (2025), by Wendy WagnerThe Autumn Springs Retirement Home Massacre (2025), by Philip FracassiThe End of the World As We Know It: Tales of Stephen King's The Stand  (2025), edited by Brian Keene and Christopher GoldenOld Soul (2025), by Susan Barkerrekt (2025), by Alex GonzalezWake Up and Open Your Eyes (2025), by Clay McLeod ChapmanSupport Talking Scared on PatreonCome talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textThis is the last way-back episode before the show returns with a scream next week. But this is an episode worth remembering – my first ever conversation with Catriona Ward, about her game-changing The Last House on Needless Street too! This was a big ask for a novice interviewer. How the hell do you talk about a book that hinges on such a huge secret. Somehow we managed to walk that tightrope, whilst also talking about cats (feline) serial killers, and the haunted bedroom of Cat's (author) girlhood. It's fun to retread this grim path. Enjoy! Other books mentioned: Rawblood (2015), by Catriona WardLittle Eve (2018), by Catriona WardThe Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper (2019), by Hallie RubenholdSpider (1990), by Patrick McGrath Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textA chance to revisit one of my favourite books and favourite ever conversations this week. Zakiya Dalila Harris's The Other Black Girl came out in early 2021, and for once I was ahead of the curve! Right from the start, I adored this novel of workplace micro-aggression and satirical horror in the publishing industry – and I'm glad to see the world has since agreed. It's a high-concept thriller that blends the paranoia of Rosemary's Baby with the bite of Get Out – and for once it's a story that deserves those comparisons. Zakiya talks about her own background in publishing and how it informed this nightmare. We talk about discussing racism in fiction, and (in a slightly meta way) we discuss how interviews LIKE THIS ONE may actually perpetuate a degree of othering. In short, I tie myself in white millennial knots, but Zakiya is wonderfully generous. God I love this book. Some may say it's not horror. I'd disagree so much that I stuck it on my list of best horror novels ever. Let's see what you think.  Enjoy! Other books mentioned: All Her Little Secrets (2021), by Wanda M. MorrisRosemary's Baby (1967), by Ira Levin Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com  Support the show

Send us a textI'm feeling Gothic this week. Must be the weather.  In lieu of a new episode, I searched the vault and found this cracker from January 2021, in which Laura Purcell — doyenne of the contemporary British Gothic —  talked me through her Victorian spookshow of mesmerism and haunted silhouettes, The Shape of Darkness.  We also get into the social nightmare of Victorian England – when life was even more gothic than it is now, believe it or not!  Enjoy!  Other books mentioned:  The Residence (2020), by Andrew Pyper The Haunting of Alma Fielding (2020), by Andrew Pyper Shadowland, or Light From the Other Side (1897), by Elizabeth d'Esperance “The Blue Lenses,” in The Breaking Point (1959), by Daphne du Maurier “The Mezzotint”, “A View From A Hill” and “Oh Whistle and I'll Come To You My Lad”, found in The Collected Ghost Stories of M.R. James Support Talking Scared on PatreonCome talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com    Support the show

Send us a textThis From the Vault episode is not quite so dusty. Gemma and I recorded this in 2022, but it's more pertinent than ever. One because Gemma's great uncanny novella The Folly is being reissued this week, and two, because the world is a mad place right now, and we all need to take care of our minds. This conversation is all about that. An epic conversation about the issue of mental health as creators and consumers of dark stories. We dig DEEP into our own neuroses, and talk about how great horror comes with great responsibility. Yes, there is difficult, challenging stuff to churn through —  but there's also chat about the Uncanny Valley, Men in Black, Creepypasta and Black Mirror. And the ethics of vandalising racist statues. Enjoy! Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Support the show

Send us a textStill on a break – still releasing episodes “From the Vault.” But this week's was carefully chosen. In a time of darkness and doom-laden days, laughter is the best thing I can lace your horror with. And thankfully T. Kingfisher exists in the world. The funniest horror writer I know. We spoke WAAAAY back in October 2020, in episode 9, when The Hollow Places had just come out.  Yes Ursula and I talk about that book, and The Twisted Ones (2019) and how they twist Weird classics into fascinating new shapes. But we also cover building your own Golem, the homicidal value of pig farmers, and the anxiety of being a frog biologist.  I dunno guys… just liste! Hope it makes you smile. Enjoy! Other books mentioned: “The White People” in The House of Souls (1906), by Arthur Machen“The Willows”, in The Listener and Other Stories (2007), by Algernon BlackwoodIt Will Just Be Us (2002), by Jo KaplanFrom a Buick Eight (2002), by Stephen KingThe Graveyard Book, by Neil GaimanCoraline, by Neil GaimanFirefly Rain (2008), by Richard Dansky Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textI'm on a break – but couldn't resist releasing something.  Especially on today of all days, when lovers of democracy require audio sustenance whilst they wait in line to preserve America. For the first From the Vault episode, I've gone back to December of 2020, for an interview with Michael Marshall Smith. We talk about his 30 years of writing horror, fantasy, science fiction and assorted dark imaginings – captured in his career-spanning Best Of collection. Michael gives us all the good stuff about where ideas came from, why he writes the way he does, and all those details that literary voyeurs like us, want to know. It's also a trip back into the weirdness of the pandemic, and the dying days of the Trump presidency. Have your trauma shields up just in case. Support the show

Send us a textHalloween has finally arrived. I'm marking it in grim, macabre style. For this Off Book Samhain Special, I'm joined by Kaelyn Moore, host and creator of Heart Starts Pounding – a podcast for the darkly curious, which offers up a new true-story of horror, hauntings and mystery every week. Kaelyn is a treasure trove of haunted anecdote and freaky facts. We only touch the tip of her knowledge in this conversation, but still manage to cover the grimmest deaths at Disneyland, a South American Nazi cult, the most cursed book in history and Kaelyn's own family history with an early American serial killer. All that, plus a lot of recommendations for movies and the gruesome true-crime reading. Stick around for the afterword, and plenty of updates on the future of Talking Scared, Enjoy! Happy Halloween.  Books mentioned: The Man From the Train: The Solving of a Century-Old Serial Killer Mystery (2017), by Bill James and Rachel McCarthy JamesThe Butchering Art: Joseph Lister's Quest to Transform the Grisly World of Victorian Medicine (2017), by Lindsey FitzharrisI'll Be Gone in the Dark: One Woman's Obsessive Search for the Golden State Killer (2018), by Michelle McNamaraThe Devil's Rooming House: the True Story of America's Deadliest Female Serial Killer (2011), by M. William Phelps  Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textThings are heating up as we approach Halloween. I'm joined by a good friend of Talking Scared – Rachel Harrison – to talk about the hot kind of immortality Her new novel, So Thirsty, does much more than that though. It weighs the weaponization of beauty culture, it asks how women can navigate a world in which youth seems to be everything, and it illustrates the sheer social awkwardness of immortality. Plus – it prompts a frank reckoning with just how badly I would cope in an orgy.  This is a fun episode, a deep episode, the perfect kind of bookish sign off for a few weeks whilst I take a break. And maybe a good hour of respite from the manic news cycle. Enjoy. Other books mentioned:The Return (2020), by Rachel HarrisonCackle (2021), by Rachel HarrisonSuch Sharp Teeth (2022), by Rachel HarrisonBlack Sheep (2023), by Rachel HarrisonNestlings (2023), by Nat CassidyReluctant Immortals (2022), by Gwendolyne KisteThe Militia House (2023), by John MilasThe Unsuitable (2020), by Molly Pohlig Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textAs we gear up for Halloween, we get all gussied up in Gothic. Del Sandeen joins me to talk about the curses, colorism, and all the many influences in her Southern Gothic debut This Cursed House. It's a novel that twists the sub-genre's typical reliance on race, for a more subtle, pernicious form of prejudice.  But it's also chock full of all the haunted house–cursed family–secret rooms–and weird incest that you could want from a truly Gothic novel. It's a damn good time, as is this conversation. We talk about New Orleans hauntings, the inspiration of Del's grandmother, forgiveness as a theme, and the relative ickiness of incest. Consider this your starting gun for spooky season. Enjoy. Other books mentioned: Voodoo Dreams (1993), by Jewel Parker RhodesThe Good House (2003), by Tananarive DueBeloved (1987), by Toni MorrisonThe Vanishing Half (2020), by Brit BennettSing, Unburied Sing (2017) , by Jesymn WardWhen the Reckoning Comes (2021), by LaTanya McQueen“A Rose For Emily,” (1930), by William Faulkner“Jordan's End,” in The Shadowy Third (1923), by Ellen GlasgowThe Elementals (1981), by Michael McDowellThe Conjure Woman (1899), by Charles W. ChesnuttThe House Behind the Cedars (1900), by Charles W. Chesnutt Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Support the show

Send us a textThings get disinhibited on Talking Scared this week, when CJ Leede joins us for a conversation about her new novel, American Rapture. The novel plunges middle America into a torrid apocalypse, as a sexual plague spreads across the nation, creating “lust hell on earth.” In this framework, C.J crafts a story of sexual awakening, sacrifice, found family, hypocrisy and cruelty.  It's a book that is both extreme and comforting in equal measure. We talk about that crazy balancing act, about the threat of fundamentalist thought, the terror of demons, the delights of Americana, and the cathartic power of killing your characters.  Oh…and gear up for some very forthright opinions on religion.  Enjoy. Other books mentioned: Maeve Fly (2023), by C.J. LeedeAmerican Gods (2001), by Neil GaimanBury Your Gays (2024), by Chuck TingleCamp Damascus (2023), by Chuck Tingle Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textHold hands, we need to stick together. This week's episode plunges us into the impossible and endless dark, with Sofia Ajram and her experimental, existential headf*ck of a debut novella, Coup de Grâce. It's the tale of a man who gets lost in an endless subway station – and the monsters inside (and inside himself) We talk about everything from the mythical history of mazes, to legends of the early internet,  the mystery of Elisa Lam and what Sonic the Hedgehog has to tell us about the readers role in a story. Plus, a fair bit of chat about mental health, depression and suicidal ideation. That makes it sound a lot less fun than it is, but only fair to warn you. This is an episode for the adventurous and terminally online. Enjoy. Other books mentioned:I Am the River (2018), by T.E. GrauWater Statues (1980), by Fleur JaeggyMisery (1987), by Stephen KingHouse of Leaves (2000), by Mark Z. Danielewski Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Support the show

Send us a textI started Off Book so that I could speak to some of the brightest dark stars in the wider universe of horror. This week that plan comes to absolute fruition – ‘cos Kate Siegel is Talking Scared! Yes, Kate Siegel, scream-queen of our generation, horror maven, acting superstar and now director of extraterrestrial found-footage nightmare (!!) ”Stowaway.” (a segment from the new V/H/S Beyond) Kate talks to me about the steep learning curve of making that short, the camera techniques she uses to disorientate, bewilder and horrify. She talks about her approach to finding character, especially in her collaborations with her husband, Mike Flanagan – and she talks about the horror stories she loves most in the world. She also calls me out very early on. How the hell did I recover?? Enjoy! V/H/S Beyond is streaming now on Shudder Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textRelease your inner child!  …I mean through reading, not by letting it burst out of your stomach like some horrible sugar-coated xenomorph. Lora Senf can help. Her Blight Harbor Trilogy is a piece of magic, an umbilicus of imagination between the tired old grump that you're halfway to becoming, and the wide-eyed wonder you once were.  Lora and I talk about the challenge and reward of writing horror for kids, we talk about the influence of M.C Escher and his mad architecture, we talk about Bradbury and King and other inspirations (including the tiny role that I played in this story). And we also talk about the profound heartsick sorrow of loneliness. Enjoy. Other books mentioned: The Hike (2016), by Drew MagaryThe Library at Mount Char (2015), by Scott Hawkins“Kaleidoscope,” (1949), by Ray Bradbury All Summer in a Day (1954), by Ray Bradbury“There Will Come Soft Rains” (1950), by Ray Bradbury The Foghorn (1950), by Ray Bradbury Pet Semetary (1983), by Stephen KingMisery (1987) by Stephen KingSomething Wicked This Way Comes (1962), by Ray BradburyCoraline (2002), by Neil GaimanThe House With a Clock in its Walls (1973), by John BellairsSupport Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textMore devilish fun on Talking Scared this week when an old friend returns to talk about god, angels, demons and other things out there in the cold reaches of the universe. Johnny Compton is the author of The Spite House, one of my most admired books from 2022. In his newest, Devils Kill Devils, he starts with a compelling question – “what if your Guardian Angel was a murderous threat” – and then heads off in grander directions.  We talk about how Johnny's childhood religious confusion played a role in this book, what we both love about world-building and fan-theories, and our shared enthusiasm for the Alien universe. And Johnny gives my current favourite answer to the questions “what really freaked him out recently?” Enjoy. Other books mentioned: The Spite House (2022), by Johnny ComptonCarrion Comfort (1989), by Dan Simmons Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com   Support the show

Send us a textKeith Rosson is our first guest to be personally recommended by Stephen King!  And the praise doesn't stop there. Keith's Fever House was one of the biggest hits of 2023, and now he's back with the sequel, The Devil By Name, which takes the contained punk-rock fury of the first book in a whole different, nation-spanning direction. This is an epic tale of occult magic, diabolical messages, punk rock, political machinations and, eventually, apocalypse. So there's a lot to talk about. And I hope you enjoy the following. Especially the part where I crowbar Stevie Nicks into the conversation, because I've developed the world's most belated obsession with her.   Enjoy. Other books mentioned: Mercy of the Tide (2017), by Keith RossonSpiral (1995), by Koji SuzukiThe Stand (1990), by Stephen KingKnockemstiff (2008), by Donald Ray PollockThe Low Desert: Gangster Stories (2021), by Scot GoldbergControlled Burn: Stories of Prison, Crime, and Men (2005), by Scott Wolven Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textLaird Barron is on the podcast. This feels like cause for celebration.  Not only is Laird Barron a phenomenal writer. Not only is it wonderful that he's back to writing and talking about writing. Not only am I lucky to be able to speak to him… We also talked about DOGS!  Granted, a cybernetic, immortal monster hound called Rex – but a dog nonetheless. That's just one of the crazy concepts that make up the stories in Laird's new collection, Not a Speck of Light… and I mean crazy. These stories involve evil fathers, strange invasions, billionaire bird-women and a disaster-addicted monster – and we talk about how Laird balances the bizarre and brutal, the cosmic and the cynical, the horrific and the hardboiled. Plus a lot of info on a very exciting project he's currently working hard on. Let's all just be happy, Laird Barron is back. He's writing. And he's Talking Scared. Enjoy. Join the Laird Barron Reddit Read-along  Other books mentioned:When Things Get Dark: Stories Inspired by Shirley Jackson (2021), edited by Ellen DatlowThe Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All (2013), by Laird BarronBlood Standard (2018), by Laird BarronThe Fisherman (2016), by John Langan“On Skua Island” – in Mr Gaunt and Other Uneasy Encounters (2009), by John LanganThe Children of Old Leech: A Tribute to the Carnivorous Cosmos of Laird Barron (2014), edited by Ross E. Lockhart and Jason SteeleThe Delicate Prey, and Other Stories (1950), by Paul BowlesThe Sheltering Sky (1949), by Paul Bowles Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the show

Send us a textAre you a Weenie? Don't be offended. I am.  Weenies are the curious-but-nervous. Those of us who love horror, but who never feel safe from its power to ruin our sleep (and a week of our life). If that's you, or if you know someone who suffers from Weenie-ism, then Emily Hughes is here! Emily's new book, Horror For Weenies: Everything You Need to Know About the Films You're Too Scared to Watch is a public service for the scared. It will save relationships, help ease you into horror and hopefully teach you a thing or two about fear along the way. In this conversation, we talk about how Emily came to write this most particular of books, and how she chose which films made the grade. We also hear about her own relationship with horror, from the film that haunted her as a child all the way to her grown-up reintroduction to scary movies.  And I finally try to back up my dislike for Hereditary. Enjoy. Other books mentioned: Birdbox (2014), by Josh MalermanNightmare Fuel: The Science of Horror Films (2022), by Nina NessethTampa (2013), by Alissa NuttingCome Closer (2003), by Sara GranThe Family Plot (2016) by Cherie PriestCamp Damascus (2023), by Chuck TingleCuckoo (2024), by Gretchen Felker-MartinManhunt (2022), by Gretchen Felker-Martin Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the Show.

Send us a Text Message.Anna Bogutskaya is one of the UK's most prominent film critics, with a penchant for horror. She knows her scary onions. And in her new book, Feeding the Monster, she asks an important question (well, important to the likes of you and me) – Why does horror have a hold on us? In concise but free-ranging essays, she looks at the prominent themes that sets the horror oft the last decade apart, peeling back the skin of the genre to see how it's muscle flex and grip, and also give you tons of films to watch in the process. We have a similarly freewheeling conversation in this episode, talking about everything from our primal horror movie experiences, to the meme-ification of monsters and why Mike Flanagan is both outlier and heart of the genre. Also… Anna introduces me to the concept of Vecnussy, which may ruin Stranger Things for you, like it has for me. Enjoy Other books mentioned:Death of a Bookseller (2023), by Alice SlaterPenance (2023), by Eliza ClarkDanse Macabre (1981), by Stephen KingRed Dragon (1981), by Thomas HarrisCoup de Grace (2024), by Sofia Ajram Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the Show.

Send us a Text Message.Send in the clowns. Tell them not to forget their crossbows and chainsaws. This week our guest is Adam Cesare, who's Clown in a Cornfield trilogy reaches a climax (I won't say end) in Book 3: The Church of Frendo. I read all three books in one mad rush and they confounded all of my horror-savvy, slasher-weary expectations. These books are a State of the Nation story for the ages – think George Orwell's Animal Farm, but with fascist clowns rather than Bolshevik swine. Adam and I have one of those very Talking Scared conversations. We get into the political and the personal, touching on his time as a teacher, the challenge of empathy, the role of guns in fiction and the rural/urban divide in America.  But also… clowns! Horrible face-painted bastards that they are. Enjoy. The Indian Lake Trilogy (2021-2024), by Stephen Graham Jones“The Lottery” (1948), by Shirley JacksonInfluencer (2024), by Adam CesareRest Stop (2024), by Nat Cassidy Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the Show.

Send us a Text Message.Literary or genre fiction? Dumb question. This week's guest showcases just how dumb! With her debut collection of stories, Mystery Lights showing that horror is literary and literary is horror. These tales of the American desert are full of hauntings, monsters, killers, and other oddities, yet they take a non-typical approach to the strangeness. They care more about the human in the mix than the weird thing in the corner. I loved them – and they proved that every time I think I know my own reading tastes, I find an exception to the rule. Lena and I talk about her literary allegiance to the desert, about the literary establishment's appetite for strange things, about women treating women poorly, and about how she writes stories that don't need to “click.” Enjoy. The Shining (1977), by Stephen King“Lamb to the Slaughter,” (1953), by Roald DahlThe Garden (2024), by Claire Beams Support Talking Scared on Patreon Come talk books on Twitter @talkscaredpod, on Instagram, or email direct to talkingscaredpod@gmail.com Support the Show.