Podcast appearances and mentions of David Woods

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back to talk about the disappointing opening weekend for the Pac-12 in the NCAA basketball tournament, with three of the four programs that made it to the Big Dance getting bounced out on Thursday/Friday. Arizona State did get a win in the First Four to advance to the field of 64, but lost a tough one against TCU. USC looked flat yet again and had no answers for tournament tested Michigan State who once again made it to the Sweet 16. The biggest flop came early on Thursday with Arizona as a No. 2 seed succumbing to No. 15 Princeton, which would have been the biggest upset of the tournament had it not been for No. 1 Purdue losing to No. 16 Fairleigh Dickinson. The UCLA Bruins are the only Pac-12 program left in the field (unless you want to count San Diego State) and they will face off against Gonzaga in Las Vegas on Thursday. For the third season in a row the Bruins will face the Bulldogs having lost in Final Four of 2021 and in T-Mobile Arena last season. Overall UCLA is 2-5 against the Zags with three of those games in the NCAA Tournament. The guys also talk about the latest rumors in the Pac-12 media rights negotiations saga, with the presidents of Arizona and Arizona State making statements about the deal being nearly done and still not a peep out of commissioner George Kliavkoff. Will he be able to pull off a lucrative deal that makes enough money for each athletic department to keep them competitive and also have enough exposure to keep West Coast football relevant? It appears that some sort of deal with ESPN, Amazon and Apple could accomplish that, but until something is announced we continue to await the fate of the Conference of Champions. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions, David Woods records solo as Ryan Abraham is spending his second consecutive weekend in Las Vegas. Dave talks about the NCAA Tournament, how the Pac-12 is doing in the Tournament, what to expect in the coming weeks from media rights deals (spoiler: Dave has no idea), and which Pac-12 football coaches would last longest during a zombie apocalypse. You know, normal episode. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are recording remotely with Ryan at the Pac-12 Tournament in Las Vegas. The guys will talk about Ryan being a degenerate, the future of the Pac-12, Chip Kelly's contract extension, and will actually answer questions about basketball for the first and only time this season. Ryan first talked about his first night in Vegas, which was a story of loss and sorrow. The boys then rebounded to talk about actual basketball for God knows what reason, before transitioning into Ryan's favorite topic: granular details about media rights. Trying desperately to save the show, the fells transitioned to questions from the listeners. They did not succeed in saving the show. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio trying to talk about anything but the potential demise of the Conference of Champions, which will be nearly impossible to do until a lucrative media rights deal is secured and the remaining 10 members are satisfied with the payouts. The guys start off the show talking about a move that everyone anticipated after the conference hired George Kliavkoff as commissioner, the Pac-12 football media day will be moving to Las Vegas! Ryan doesn't need much of an excuse to head to Vegas so he will be there, but will David be able to break away from his kids midweek for his final Pac-12 media day? We shall see. While they are trying not to talk about the conference breaking up, they will discuss what some prominent members of the college football media and sports business reporters are saying about what potential media partners are available for Kliavkoff to team up with and what sort of deal he could expect with the 10 programs he has now or with the addition of others like San Diego State and SMU. Unfortunately, the current marketplace isn't favorable for the Pac-12 and that is one of the reasons the projections for the new media rights deal aren't very promising. Unless Kliavkoff can pull something spectacular off, some sort of out of the box deal that delivers cash to his members and also gets their programs more visibility, the speculation surrounding schools leaving for other conferences will continue to grow. The best news for Kliavkoff is that the Big Ten still doesn't have a replacement commissioner for the outgoing Kevin Warren, but the Big 12 is like a wolf on the prowl and appears to be ready to pounce if any Pac-12 program isn't happy with the new deal. Dave also provides some potential breaking news as he has heard that Utah and Colorado have already decided to leave the Pac-12. How credible is this information? Dave said he heard it from the same guy who told him two days before it happened that USC and UCLA were leaving, so we shall see.  We're not sure if Wednesday's Los Angeles hail storm was some sort of omen for the Pac-12, but Dave's Tweet of the storm did give us an unexpected glimpse into his backyard and maybe the reason why he wasn't a fan of the show, 'The Last of Us.' For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio talking about all of the buzz around commissioner George Kliavkoff and the remaining 10 Pac-12 programs that are desperately trying to work out a lucrative media rights deal. All eyes are on Kliavkoff who is trying to pull off some sort of miracle and get the Conference of Champions a television contract that will surpass the ACC and Big 12 and keep the Pac-12 members happy. The guys discuss all of the reports and rumors that are floating around including partnering with Amazon or Apple for the first Tier One college football media rights deal on a streaming service, expanding the conference footprint to include Texas with SMU and Southern California with San Diego State and even forming some sort of merger with the Big 12, creating the first CFB super conference. They also take a look at the state of mind of Oregon and Washington and if Ohio State cancelling the home and home with the Huskies will make anyone nervous in the Pacific Northwest. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio discussing the long and drawn out pending media rights deal for the Pac-12 conference. On Super Bowl Monday the Pac-12 Conference Board Members issued joint statement that addressed the long wait for an announcement on media rights, but it did little to give fans of the Conference of Champions confidence that a big payday for the remaining 10 schools is coming. According to the statement the media rights deal or deals would be done "in the near future," there have been "positive" conversations with "multiple potential media rights partners" and that the conference is "highly confident in our future growth and success as a conference and united in our commitment to one another." The guys breakdown what they took away from this joint statement including the fact that it came from the board members and not commissioner George Kliavkoff. They also talk about what some of those outside of the Pac-12 footprint are saying, including projections of doom and gloom for the PAC. Speaking of Kliavkoff, he was seen at a Southern Methodist basketball game and has reportedly been in conference expansion discussions with SMU and San Diego State. Some are speculating that the media rights delay is in part due to the need for increased game inventory and that Kliavkoff may need to add two more teams to have more games to sell to potential media partners. They also talk about Utah quarterback Cam Rising tearing his ACL but still aiming for a return before the start of the 2023 season and Utes offensive coordinator Andy Ludwig not taking the same position at Notre Dame, in part because of his rather large buyout. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio breaking down all of the news and notes from National Signing Day in the Pac-12 with 247Sports national recruiting editor Brandon Huffman. With his pulse on West Coast recruiting, Huffman goes over how each and every program in the Conference of Champions improved their roster through high school recruiting and the NCAA Transfer Portal. They guys also talk about some of the news and notes from around the conference including Nick Saban and Alabama trying to poach Washington offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb, former five-star quarterback Sam Huard leaving the Huskies for Cal Poly and rumors about the upcoming Pac-12 media rights deal. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio discussing the newly released 2023 Pac-12 football schedule which appears to have been given some serious thought from George Kliavkoff and company. Colorado comes out of the gate with a tough slate in an attempt to capture all of the momentum of Coach Prime. Oregon has a lot of high profile matchups but they are spread out throughout the season including a bye before playing Washington. And USC's schedule is backloaded, closing the season with a series of ranked teams and a week 13 bye before a potential return to the Pac-12 Championship Game. They guys also talk about George Kliavkoff firing a couple of Pac-12 Network executives that apparently helped the conference collect more money that was agreed upon in the contract with a media partner for years. What's an extra $50 million dollars between friends? Well Pac-12 schools are probably going to find out in the coming weeks. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio doing what many sports podcasts never do, going back and examining how their preseason projections for all of the Pac-12 football programs turned out. Before the season both Ryan and Dave predicted each and every football game in the Conference of Champions so we will see how close they were to calling how the 2022 football season would go. They guys also talk about some of the other Pac-12 news and notes as we enter the long and arduous offseason with Coach Prime making headlines by spilling the beans on what could have been a potential week zero Colorado vs. Arizona State battle, Utah getting a couple of their star players to return plus Dan Lanning gets a tattoo that there is no turning back from. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Laura Maguire is a Researcher at Jeli.io, the first dedicated instant analysis platform that combines more comprehensive data to deliver more proactive solutions and identify problems. Victoria talks to Laura about incident management, giving companies a powerful tool to learn from their incidents, and what types of customers are ideal for taking on a platform like Jeli.io. Jeli.io (https://www.jeli.io/) Follow Jeli.io on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/jeli_io/), Twitter (https://twitter.com/jeli_io) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/jeli-inc/). Follow Laura Maguire on Twitter (https://twitter.com/LauraMDMaguire) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauramaguire/). Follow thoughtbot on Twitter (https://twitter.com/thoughtbot) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/150727/). Become a Sponsor (https://thoughtbot.com/sponsorship) of Giant Robots! Transcript: VICTORIA: This is the Giant Robots Smashing Into Other Giant Robots Podcast, where we explore the design, development, and business of great products. I'm your host, Victoria Guido. And with me today is Laura Maguire, Researcher at Jeli, the first dedicated instant analysis platform that combines more comprehensive data to deliver more proactive solutions and identify problems. Laura, thank you for joining me. LAURA: Thanks for having me, Victoria. VICTORIA: This might be a very introductory level question but just right off the bat, what is an incident? LAURA: What we find is a lot of companies define this very differently across the space, but typically, it's where they are seeing an impact, either a customer impact or a degradation of their service. This can be either formally, it kind of impacts their SLOs or their SLAs, or informally it's something that someone on the team notices or someone, you know, one of their users notice as being degraded performance or something not working as intended. VICTORIA: Gotcha. From my background being in IT operations, I'm familiar with incidents, and it's been a practice in IT for a long time. But what brought you to be a part of building this platform and creating a product around incidents? LAURA: I am a, let's say, recovering safety professional. VICTORIA: [chuckles] LAURA: I started my career in the safety and risk management realm within natural resource industries in the physical world. And so I worked with people who were at the sharp end in high-risk, high-consequence type work. And they were really navigating risk and navigating safety in the real world. And as I was working in this domain, I noticed that there was a delta between what was being said, created safety, and helped risk management and what I was actually seeing with the people that I was working with on the front lines. And so I started to pull the thread on this, and I thought, is work as done really the same as work as written or work as prescribed? And what I found was a whole field of research, a whole field of practice around thinking about safety and risk management in the world of cognitive work. And so this is how people think about risk, how they manage risk, and how do they interpret change and events in the world around them. And so as I started to do my master's degree in human factors and system safety and then later my Ph.D. in cognitive systems engineering, I realized that whether you are on the frontlines of a wildland fire or you're on the frontlines of responding to an incident in the software realm, the ways in which people detect, diagnose, and repair the issues that they're facing are quite similar in terms of the cognitive work. And so when I was starting my Ph.D. work, I was working with Dr. David Woods at the Cognitive Systems Engineering Lab at The Ohio State University. And I came into it, and I was thinking I'm going to work with astronauts, or with fighter pilots, or emergency room doctors, these really exciting domains. And he was like, "We're going to have you work with software engineers." And at first, I really failed to see the connection there, but as I started to learn more about site reliability engineering, about DevOps, about the continuous deployment, continuous integration world, I realized software engineers are really at the forefront of managing critical digital infrastructure. They're keeping up the systems that run society, both for recreation and pleasure in the sense of Netflix, for example, as well as the critical functions within society like our 911 call routing systems, our financial markets. And so the ability to study how software engineers detect outages, manage outages, and work together collaboratively across the team was really giving us a way to study this kind of work that could actually feed back into other types of domains like emergency response, like emergency rooms, and even back to the fighter pilots and astronauts. VICTORIA: Wow, that's so interesting. And so is your research that went into your Ph.D. did that help you help define the product strategy and kind of market fit for what you've been building at Jeli? LAURA: Yeah, absolutely. So Nora Jones, who is the founder and CEO of Jeli, reached out to me at a conference and told me a little bit about what she was thinking about, about how she wanted to support software engineers using a lot of this literature and a lot of the learnings from these other domains to build this product to help support incident management in software engineering. So we base a lot of our thinking around how to help support this cognitive work and how to help resilient performance in these very dynamic, these very changing large scale, you know, distributed software systems on this research, as well as the research that we do with our own users and with our own members from learning from incidents in software engineering Slack community that Nora and several other fairly prominent names within the software community started, Lorin Hochstein, John Allspaw Dr. Richard Cook, Jessica DeVita, Ryan Kitchens, and I may be missing someone else but...and myself, oh, Will Galego as well. Yeah, we based a lot of our understandings, really deep qualitative understandings of what is work like for software engineers when they're, you know, in continuous deployment type environments. And we've translated this into building a product that we think helps but not hinders by getting in the way of engineers while they're under time pressure and there's a lot of uncertainty. And there's often quite a bit of stress involved with responding to incidents. VICTORIA: Right. And you mentioned resilience engineering. And for those who don't know, David Woods, who you worked on with your Ph.D., wrote "Resilience Engineering: Concepts and Precepts." So maybe you could talk a little bit about resilience engineering and what that really means, not just in technology but in the people who were running the tools, right? LAURA: Yeah. So resilience engineering is different from how we think about protecting and defending our software systems. And it's different in the sense that we aren't just thinking about how do we prevent incidents from happening again, like, how do we fix things that have happened to us in the past? But how do we better understand the ways in which our systems operate under a wide variety of conditions? So that includes normal operating conditions as well as abnormal or anomalous operating conditions, such as an incident response. And so resilience engineering was kind of this way of thinking differently about predicting failure, about managing failure, and navigating these kinds of worlds. And one of the fundamental differences about it is it sees people as being the most adaptive component within the system of work. So we can have really good processes and practices around deploying code; we can institute things like cross-checking and peer review of code; we can have really good robust backup and failover systems, but ultimately, it's very likely that in these kinds of complex and adaptive always-changing systems that you're going to encounter problems that you weren't able to anticipate. And so this is where the resilience part comes in because if you're faced with a novel problem, if you're faced with an issue you've never seen before, or a hidden dependency within your system, or an unanticipated failure mode, you have to adapt. You have to be able to take all of the information that's available to you in the moment. You have to interpret that in real-time. You have to think of who else might have skills, knowledge, expertise, access to information, or access to certain kinds of systems or software components. And you have to bring all of those people together in real-time to be able to manage the problem at hand. And so this is really quite a different way of thinking about supporting this work than just let's keep the runbooks updated, and let's make sure that we can write prescriptive processes for everything that we're going to encounter. Because this really is the difference that I saw when I was talking about earlier about that work is done versus work is prescribed. The rules don't cover all of the situations. And so you have to think of how do you help people adapt? How do you help people access information in real-time to be able to handle unforeseen failures? VICTORIA: Right. That makes a lot of sense. It's an interesting evolution of site reliability engineering where you're thinking about the users' experience of your site. It's also thinking about the people who are running your site and what their experience is, and what freedom they have to be able to solve the problems that you wouldn't be able to predict, right? LAURA: Yeah, it's a really good point, actually, because there is sort of this double layer in the product that we are building. So, as you mentioned earlier, we are an incident analysis platform, and so what does that mean? Well, it means that we pull in data whenever there's been an incident, and we help you to look at it a little bit more deeply than you may if you're just following a template and sort of reconstructing a timeline. And so we pull in the actual Slack data that, you know, say, an ops channel or an incident channel that's been spun up following a report of a degraded performance or of an outage. And we look very closely at how did people talk to one another? Who did they bring into the incident? What kinds of things did they think were relevant and important at different points in time? And in doing this, it helps us to understand what information was available to people at different points in time. Because after the incident and after it's been resolved, people often look back and say, "Oh, there's nothing we can learn from that. We figured out what it was." But if we go back and we start looking at how people detected it, how they diagnosed it, who they brought into the event, we can start to unpack these patterns and these ways of understanding how do people work together? What information is useful at different points in time? Which helps us get a deeper understanding of how our systems actually work and how they actually fail. VICTORIA: Right. And I see there are a few different ways the platform does that: there's a narrative builder, a people view, and also a visual timeline. So, do you find that combining all those things together really gives companies a powerful tool to learn from their incidents? LAURA: Yeah. So let me talk a little bit about each of those different components. Our MVP of the product we started out with this understanding of the incident analyst and the incident investigator who, you know, was ready to dive in and ready to understand their incident and apply some qualitative analysis techniques to thinking about their incidents. And what we found was there are a number of these people who are really interested in this deep dive within the software industry. But there's a broader subset of folks that they work with who maybe only do these kinds of incident analysis every once in a while, and they're not as interested in going quite as deep. And so the narrative builder is really this kind of bridge between those two types of users. And what it does is helps construct a timeline which is typically what most companies do to help drive the discussion that they might have in a post-mortem or to drive their kind of findings in their summary report. And it helps them take this closer look at the interactions that happened in that slack transcript and raise questions about what kinds of uncertainties there were, point out who was involved, or interesting aspects of the event at that point in time. And it helps them to summarize what was happening. What did people think was happening at this point in time to create this story about the incident? And the story element is really important because we all learn from stories. It helps bring to life some of the details about what was hard, who was involved, how did they get brought in, what the sources of technical failure were, and whether those were easy or difficult to understand and to repair once the source of the failure was actually understood. And so that narrative builder helps reconstruct this timeline in a much richer way but also do it very efficiently. And as you mentioned, the visual timeline is something that we've created to help that lightweight user or that every once in a while user to go a little bit deeper on their analysis. And how we do that is because it lays out the progression of the event in a way that helps you see, oh, this maybe wasn't straightforward. We didn't detect it in the beginning, and then diagnose it, and then repair it at the end. What happened actually was the detection was intermittent. The signals about what was going wrong was intermittent, and so that was going on in parallel with the diagnosis. The diagnosis took a really long time, and that may have been because we can also see the repair was happening concurrently. And so it starts to show these kinds of characteristics about whether the incident was difficult, whether it was challenging and hard, or whether it was simple and straightforward. This helps lend a bit more depth to metrics like MTTR and TTD by saying, oh, there was a lot more going on in this incident than we initially thought. The last thing that you mentioned was the people view, and so that really sets our product apart from other products in that we look at the sociotechnical system. So it's not just about the software that broke; it is about who was involved in managing that system, in repairing that system, and in communicating about that system outwardly. And so the people view this kind of pulls in some HR data. It helps us to understand who was involved. How long have they been in their role? Were they on-call? Were they not on-call? And other kinds of irrelevant details that show us what was their engagement or their interaction with this event. And so when we start to bring in the socio part of the sociotechnical system, we can identify things like what knowledge do we have within the organization? Is that knowledge well-distributed, or is it just isolated in one or two people? And so those people are constantly getting pulled into incidents when they may be not on-call, which can start to show us whether or not these folks are in danger of burning out or whether their knowledge might need to be transferred more broadly throughout the organization. So this is kind of where the resilience piece comes in because it helps us to distribute knowledge. It helps us to identify who is relevant and useful and how do they partner and collaborate with other people, and their knowledge and skill sets to be able to manage some of the outages that they face? VICTORIA: That's wonderful because one of my follow-up questions would be, as a CEO, as a founder, what kind of insights or choices do you get to make now that you have this insight to help make your team more resilient? [laughs] LAURA: So if this is a manager, or a founder, or a CEO that is looking at their data in Jeli, they can start to understand how to resource their teams more appropriately, as I mentioned, how to spread that knowledge around. They can start to see what parts of their system are creating the most problems or what parts of their system do they have maybe less insight into how it works, how it interacts with other parts of the system, and what this actually means for their ability to meet their SLOs or their SLAs. So it gives you a more in-depth understanding of how your business is actually operating on both the technical side of things, as well as on the people side of things. VICTORIA: That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for that overview of the platform. There's the incident analysis platform, and you also have the bot, the response chatbot. Can you tell me a little bit more about that? LAURA: Yeah, absolutely. We think that incident management should be conducted wherever your work actually takes place, and so for most of our customers and a lot of folks that we know about in the industry, that's Slack. And so, if you are communicating in real-time with your team in Slack, we think that you should stay there. And so, we built this incident management bot that is free and will be free for the lifetime of the product. Because we think that this is really the fundamental basis for helping you manage your incidents more efficiently and more effectively. So it's a pretty lightweight bot. It gives kind of some guardrails or some guidance around collaboration by spinning up a new incident channel, helping you to bring the right kinds of responders into that, helping you to communicate to interested stakeholders by broadcasting to channels they might be in. It kind of nudges you to think about how to communicate about what's happening during different stages of the event progression. And so it's prompting you in a very lightweight way; hey, do you have a status update? Do you have a summary of what the current thinking is? What are the hypotheses about what's going on? Who's conducting what kinds of activities right now? So that if I'm a responder that's coming into the event after 20-30 minutes after it started, I can very quickly come up to speed, understand what's going on, who's doing what, and figure out what's useful for me to do to help step in and not disrupt the incident management that's underway right now. Our users can choose to use the bot independently of the incident analysis platform. But of course, being able to ingest that incident into Jeli it helps you understand who's been involved in the incident, if they've been involved in similar incidents in the past, and helps them start to see some patterns and some themes that emerge over time when you start to look at incidents across the organization. VICTORIA: That makes sense. And I love that it's free and that there's something for every type of organization to take advantage of there. And I wonder if at Jeli you have data about what type of customer is it who'd be targeted or really ideal to take on this kind of platform. LAURA: So most organizations...I was actually recently at SREcon EMEA, and there was a really interesting series of talks; one was SRE for Enterprise, and the next talk was SRE for Startups. And so it was a very thought-provoking discussion around is SRE for everyone, so site reliability engineering? Even smaller teams are starting to have to be responsible for reliability and responsible for running their service. And so we kind of have built our platform thinking about how do we help not just big enterprises or organizations that may have dedicated teams for this but also small startups to learn from their incidents. So internally, we actually call incidents opportunities as in they are learning opportunities for checking out how does your system actually work? How do your people work together? What things were difficult and challenging about the incident? And how do you talk about those things as a team to help create more resilient performance in future? So in terms of an ideal customer, it's really folks that are interested in conducting these sort of lightweight but in-depth looks at how their system actually works on both the people side of things and the technical side of things. Those who we found are most successful with our product are interested in not so much figuring out who did the thing and who can they blame for the incident itself but rather how do they learn from what happened? And would another engineer, or another product owner, another customer service representative, whoever the incident may be sort of focused around, would another person in their shoes have taken the same actions that they took or made the same decisions that they made? Which helps us understand from a systems level how do we repair or how do we adjust the system of work surrounding folks so that they are better supported when they're faced with uncertainty, or with that kind of time pressure, or that ambiguity about what's actually going on? VICTORIA: And I love that you said that because part of the reason [laughs] I invited you on to the podcast is that a lot of companies I have experience with don't think about incidents until it happens to them, and then it can be a scramble. It can impact their customer base. It can stress their team out. But if you go about creating...the term obviously you all use is psychological safety on your team, and maybe you use some of the free tools from Jeli like the Post-Incident Guide and the Incident Analysis 101 blog to set your team up for success from the beginning, then you can increase your customer loyalty and your team loyalty as well to the company. Is that your experience? LAURA: Yeah, absolutely. So one thing that I have learned throughout my career, you know, starting way back in forestry and looking at safety and risk in that domain, was as soon as there is an accident or even a serious near miss, right away, everybody gets sweaty palms. Everybody is concerned about, uh-oh, am I going to get blamed for this? Am I going to get fired? Am I going to get publicly shamed for the decisions that I made when I was in this situation? And what that response, that reaction does is it drives a lot of the communication and a lot of the understanding of the conditions that that person was in. It drives that underground. And it's important to allow people to talk about here's what I was seeing, here's what I was experiencing because, in these kinds of complex systems, information is not readily available to people. The signals are not always coming through loud and clear about what's going on or about what the appropriate actions to take are. Instead, it's messy; it's loud, it's noisy. There are usually multiple different demands on that person's attention and on their time, and they're often managing trade-offs: do I keep the system down so that I can gather more information about what's actually going on, or do I just try and bring it up as quickly as I can so that there's less impact to users? Those kinds of decisions are having to be made under pressure. So when we create these conditions of psychological safety, when we say you know what? This happened. We want to learn from it. We've already made this investment. Richard Cook mentioned in the very first SNAFU Catchers Report, which was a report that came out of Ohio State, that incidents are unplanned investments into understanding how your system works. And so you've already had the incident. You've already paid the price of that downtime or of that outage. So you might as well extract some learning from it so that you can help create a safer and more resilient system in the future. So by helping people to reconstruct what was actually happening in real-time, not what they were retrospectively saying, "Oh, I should have done this," well, you didn't do that. So let's understand why you thought at that moment in time that was the right way to respond because, more than likely, other people in that same position would have made that same choice. And so it helps us to think more broadly about ways that we can support decision-making and sense-making under conditions of stress and uncertainty. And ultimately, that helps your system be more resilient and be more reliable for your customers. VICTORIA: What a great reframing: unplanned investment. [laughs] And if you don't learn from it, then you're going to lose out on what you've already invested that time in resolving it, right? LAURA: Absolutely. MID-ROLL AD: Are you an entrepreneur or start-up founder looking to gain confidence in the way forward for your idea? At thoughtbot, we know you're tight on time and investment, which is why we've created targeted 1-hour remote workshops to help you develop a concrete plan for your product's next steps. Over four interactive sessions, we work with you on research, product design sprint, critical path, and presentation prep so that you and your team are better equipped with the skills and knowledge for success. Find out how we can help you move the needle at: tbot.io/entrepreneurs. VICTORIA: Getting more into that psychological safety and how to create that culture where people feel safe telling about what really happened, but how does that relate to...Jeli says that they are a people software. [laughs] Talk to me more about that. Like, what advice do you give founders and CEOs on how to create that psychological safety which makes them be more resilient in these types of incidents? LAURA: So you mentioned the Howie Guide that we published last year, and this is our guidance around how to do incident analysis, how to help your team start to learn from their incidents, and Howie stands for how we got here. And that's really important, that language because what it says is there's a history that led up to this incident. And most teams, when they've had an outage, they'll kind of look backwards from that outage, maybe an hour, maybe a day, maybe to the last deploy. But they don't think about how the decisions got made to use that piece of software in the first place. They don't think about how did engineers actually get on-boarded to being on-call. They don't necessarily think about what kinds of skills, and knowledge, and expertise when we're hiring a DevOps engineer, and I'm using air quotes here or an SRE. What kinds of skills and knowledge do they actually have? Those are very broad terms. And what it means to be a DevOps engineer or an SRE is quite underspecified. And so the knowledge behind the folks that you might hire into the company is going to necessarily be very diverse. It's going to be partial and incomplete in many ways because not everyone can know everything about the system. And so, we need to have multiple diverse perspectives about how the system works, how our customers use that system, what kinds of pressures and constraints exist within our company that allow us some possibilities over others. We need to bring all of those perspectives together to get a more reflective picture of what was actually happening before this incident took place and how we actually got here. This reframing helps a lot of people disarm that initial defensiveness response or that initial, oh, shoot; I'm going to get in trouble for this kind of response. And it says to them, "Hey, you're a part of this bigger system of work. You are only one piece of this puzzle. And what we want to try and do is understand what was happening within the company, not just what you did, what you said, and what you decided." So once people realize that you're not just trying to find fault or place blame, but you're really trying to understand their work, and you're trying to understand their work with other teams and other vendors, and trying to understand their work relative to the competing demands that were going on, so those are some of the things that help create psychological safety. About ten years ago, John Allspaw and the team at Etsy put out The Etsy Debriefing Facilitation Guide, which also poses a number of questions and helps to frame the post-incident learnings in a way that moves it from the individual and looks more collectively at the company as a whole. And so these things are helpful for founders or for CEOs to help bring forward more information about what's really going on, more information about what are the real risks and threats and opportunities within the company, and gives you an opportunity to step back and do what we call microlearning, which is sharing knowledge about how the system works, sharing understandings of what people think is going on, and what people know about the system. We don't typically talk about those things unless there's a reason to, and incidents kind of give us that reason because they're uncomfortable and they can be painful. They can be very public. They can be very disruptive to what we think about how resilient and reliable we actually are. And so if you can kind of step away from this defensiveness and step away from this need to place blame and instead try and understand the conditions, you will get a lot more learning and a lot more resilience and reliability out of your teams and out of your systems. VICTORIA: That makes sense to me. And I'd like to draw a connection between that and some other things you mentioned with The 2022 Accelerate State of DevOps Report that highlights that the people who are often responding to those incidents or in that high-stress situation tend to be historically underrepresented or historically excluded groups. And so do you see that having this insight into both who is actually taking on a lot of the work when these incidents happen and creating that psychological safety can make a better environment for diversity, equity, inclusion at a company as well? LAURA: Well, I think anytime you work to establish trust and transparency, and you focus on recognizing the skills that people do have, the knowledge that they do have, and not over assuming that someone knows something or that they have been involved in the discussions that may have been relevant to an incident, anytime you focus on that trust and transparency you are really signaling to people within your organization that you value their contributions and that you recognize that they've come to work and trying to do a good job. But they have multiple competing demands on their attention and on their time. And so we're not making assumptions about people being complacent, or people being reckless or being sloppy in their work. So that creates an environment where people feel more willing to speak up and to talk about some of the challenges that they might face, to talk about the ways in which it's not clear to them how certain parts of the system work or how certain teams actually operate. So you're just opening the channels for communication, which helps to share more knowledge. It helps to share more information about what teams are doing at different points in time. And this helps people to preemptively anticipate how a change that they might be making in their part of the system could be influencing up or downstream teams. And so this helps create more resilience because now you're thinking laterally about your system and about your involvement across teams and across boundary lines. And an example of this is if a marketing team...this is a story that Nora tells quite a bit; if a marketing team is, say, launching a Super Bowl commercial for their company but they don't actually tell the engineers on-call that that is about to happen, you can create all sorts of breakdowns when all of a sudden you have this surge of traffic to your website because people see the Super Bowl commercial and they want to go to the site. And then you have a single person who's trying to respond to that in real-time. So, instead, when you do start thinking about that trust and transparency, you're helping teams to help each other and to think more broadly about how their work is actually impacting other parts of the system. So from a diversity and inclusion and underrepresented groups perspective, this is creating the conditions for more people to be involved, more people to feel like their voice is going to be heard, and that their perspective actually matters. VICTORIA: That sounds really powerful, and I'm glad we were able to touch on that. Shifting gears a little bit, I wanted to talk about two different questions; so one is if you could travel back in time to when Jeli first started, what advice would you give yourself, your past self? LAURA: I would encourage myself to recognize that our ability to experiment is fundamental to our ability to learn. And learning is what helps us to iterate faster. Learning is what helps us to reflect on the tool that we're building or the feature that we're building and what this actually means to our users. I actually copped that advice to myself from CEO Zoran Perkov of the Long-Term Stock Exchange. They launched a whole new stock market during the pandemic with a fully remote team. And I had interviewed him for an article that I wrote about resilient leadership. And he said to me, like, "My job as a CEO is 100% about protecting our ability to experiment as a company because if we stop learning, we're not going to be able to iterate. We're not going to be able to adapt to the changes that we see in the market and in our users." So I think I would tell myself to continually experiment. One of the things that I talk to our customers about a lot because many of them are implementing new incident management programs or they're trying to level up their engineering teams around incident analysis, and I would say, "This doesn't have to be a fully-fleshed out program where you know all of the ways in which this is going to unfold." It's really about trying experiments, conduct some training, start small. Do one incident analysis on a really particularly spicy incident that you may have had or a really challenging incident where a lot of people were surprised by what happened. Bring together that group and say, "Hey, we're going to try something a little bit different here. We'll use some questions from the Howie Guide. We'll use the format and the structure from the Etsy Debriefing Guide. And we're just going to try and learn what we can about this event. We're not going to try and place blame. We're not going to try and generate corrective actions. We just want to see what we can learn from this." Then ask people that were involved, "How did this go? What did we learn from it? What should we do differently next time?" And continually iterate on those small, little experiments so that you can grow your product and grow your team's capacity. I think it took us a little bit of time to figure that out within the organization, but once we did, we were just able to collaborate more effectively work more effectively by integrating some of the feedback that we were getting from our users. And then the last piece of advice that I would give myself is to really invest in cross-discipline coordination and collaboration. Engineers, designers, researchers, CEOs they all have a different view of the product. They all have a different understanding of what the goals and priorities are. And those mental models of the product and of what the right thing to do is are constantly changing. And they all have different language that they use to talk about the product and to talk about their processes for integrating this understanding of the changing conditions and the changing user into the product. And so I would say invest in establishing common ground across the different disciplines within your team to be able to talk about what people are seeing, to be able to stop and identify when we're making assumptions about what other people know or what other people's orientation towards the problem or towards the product are. And spend a little bit of time saying, "When I say this is important, I'm saying it's important because of XYZ, not just this is important." So spending a little bit of time elaborating on what your mental model is and where you're drawing from can help the teams work more effectively together across those disciplines. VICTORIA: That's pretty powerful advice. You're iterating and experimenting at Jeli. What's on the horizon that you are...what new experiments are you excited about? LAURA: One of the things that has been front and center for us since we started is this idea of cross-incident analysis. And so we've kind of built out a number of different features within the product, being able to help tag the incident with the relevant services and technologies that were involved, being able to identify which teams were involved, and also being able to identify different kinds of themes or patterns that emerge from individual incidents. So all of this data that we can get from mostly just from the ingested incident itself or from the incident that you bring into Jeli but also from the analysis that you do on it this helps us start to be able to see across incidents what's happening not just with the technical side of things. So is it always Travis that is causing a problem? Are there components that work together that kind of have these really hidden and strange interdependencies that are really hard for the team to actually cope with? What kinds of themes are emerging across your suite of opportunities, your suite of incidents that you've ingested? Some of the things that we're starting to see from those experiments is an ability to look at where are your knowledge islands within your organization? Do you have an engineer who, if they were to leave, would take the majority of your systems knowledge about your database, or about your users, or about some critical aspect of your system that would disappear with all of that tacit knowledge? Or are there engineers that work really effectively together during really difficult incidents? And so you can start to unpack what are these characteristics of these people, and of these teams, and of these technologies that offer both opportunities or threats to your organization? So basically, what we're doing is we're helping you to see how your system performs under different kinds of conditions, which I think as a safety and risk professional working in a variety of different domains for the last 15 years, I think this is really where the rubber hits the road in helping teams be more reliable, and be more resilient, and more proactive about where investments in maintenance, or training, or headcount are going to have the biggest bang for your buck. VICTORIA: That makes a lot of sense. In my experience, sometimes those decisions are made more on intuition or on limited data so having a more full picture to rely on probably produces better results. [laughs] LAURA: Yeah, and I think that we all want to be data-driven, thinking about not only the quantitative data is how many incidents do we have around certain parts of the system, or certain teams, or certain services? But also, the qualitative side of things is what does this actually mean? And what does this mean to our ability to grow and change over time and to scale? The partnership of that quantitative data and qualitative data means we're being data-driven on a whole other level. VICTORIA: Wonderful. And it seems like we're getting close to the end of our time here. Is there anything else you want to give as a final takeaway to our listeners? LAURA: Yeah. So I think that we are, you know, as a domain, as a field, software engineering is increasingly becoming responsible for not only critical infrastructure within society, but we have a responsibility to our users and to each other within our companies to help make work better, help make our services more reliable and more resilient over time. And there's a variety of lessons that we can learn from other domains. As I mentioned before, aviation, healthcare, nuclear power all of those kinds of domains have been thinking about supporting cognitive work and supporting frontline operators. And we can learn from this history and this literature that exists out there. There is a GitHub repo that Lorin Hochstein has curated with a number of other folks with the industry that points to some of these resources. And as well, we'll be hosting the first Learning From Incidents in Software Engineering Conference in Denver in February, February 15 and 16th. And one feature of this conference that I'm super excited about is affectionately called CasesConf. And it is going to be an opportunity for software engineers from a variety of organizations to tell real stories about incidents that they had, how they handled them, what was challenging, what went surprisingly well, and just what is actually going on within their organizations. And this is kind of a new thing for the software industry to be talking very publicly about failures and sharing the messy details of our incidents. This won't be a recorded part of the conference. It is going to be conducted under the Chatham House Rule, which is participants who are in the room while these stories are being told can share some of the stories but not any identifying details about the company or the engineers that were involved. And so this kind of real-world situations helps us to, as I talked about before, with that psychological safety, helps us to say this is the reality of operating complex systems. They're going to fail. We're going to have to learn from them. And the more that we can talk at an industry level about what's going on and about what kinds of things are creating problems or opportunities for each other, the more we're going to be able to lift the bar for the industry as a whole. So you can check out register.learningfromincidents.io for more information about the conference. And we can link Lorin's resilience engineering GitHub repo in the notes as well. VICTORIA: Wonderful. Well, I was looking for an excuse to come to Denver in February anyways. LAURA: We would love to have ya. VICTORIA: Thank you. And thank you so much for taking time to share with us today, Laura. You can subscribe to the show and find notes along with a complete transcript for this episode at giantrobots.fm. If you have questions or comments, email us at hosts@giantrobots.fm. And you can find me on Twitter @victori_ousg. This podcast is brought to you by thoughtbot and produced and edited by Mandy Moore. Thanks for listening. See you next time. ANNOUNCER: This podcast was brought to you by thoughtbot. thoughtbot is your expert design and development partner. Let's make your product and team a success. Special Guest: Laura Maguire.

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio recapping the final five bowl games for the Conference of Champions including a pair of disappointing losses in New Year's Six bowls and a pair of late game collapses by the Los Angeles programs. Overall the Pac-12 went 3-4 in bowl games, an improvement over the 0-7 bowl record for the conference from the previous two seasons, but still a disappointing finish with USC losing to Tulane in the Cotton Bowl and Utah losing to Penn State in the Rose Bowl. There was some good news for the PAC with yet another 1-point bowl win for Oregon (third in a row), taking down North Carolina in the Holiday Bowl and Washington's victory over Texas in the Alamo Bowl. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio recapping the first two Pac-12 bowl games with Oregon State absolutely crushing Florida in the Las Vegas Bowl and Washington State getting absolutely crushed by Fresno State in the Los Angeles Bowl. Newly extended head coach Jonathan Smith led the Beavers to an incredible 10-win season (including field goal losses to USC and Washington), setting OSU up for what should be another impressive season in 2023. Jake Dickert's Cougars have more work to do, replacing both coordinators plus several transfers and finding an offense that is capable of getting the ball down the field. The guys also preview the final five bowl games for the Conference of Champions including Utah's second-straight Rose Bowl and USC heading to Texas for the Cotton Bowl. Oregon got some good news this weekend when quarterback Bo Nix announced that he would be returning to the team in 2023. The Pac-12 quarterback situation is as bright as it has ever been with Nix, Michael Penix coming back at Washington and of course Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams at USC. The UC Regents approved UCLA's departure for the Big Ten but the Bruins will likely be paying the University of California at Berkeley several million dollars per year to help out the Golden Bears athletic department. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio talking about the Pac-12 landing a major award with USC quarterback Caleb Williams winning the Heisman Trophy, the first for the Conference of Champions since Marcus Mariota took home the hardware for Oregon in 2014. Williams nabbed 544 of the 929 first place votes and won all six regions while landing on 88.5% of the ballots (10th best all-time). Washington quarterback Michael Penix led the nation in passing yards and finished in the top-10 of the Heisman voting. Later this week Oregon State will take on Florida in the Las Vegas Bowl and Washington State will face off against Mountain West Champion Fresno State in the LA Bowl. Ryan and Dave preview both of these match-ups and give their picks against the spread. The guys also talk about some major coaching and player news throughout the Pac-12, starting with Stanford hiring Sacramento State head coach Troy Taylor to take over for David Shaw. They also discuss new Colorado head coach Deion Sanders filling out his staff and hitting the transfer portal and recruiting path with a purpose. Arizona State head coach Kenny Dillingham is also making some big hires including a couple from within the conference and a legendary Arizona high school coach. There has also been some major roster movement in the Pac-12 via the NCAA Transfer Portal including a team captain leaving Tempe for Michigan and stud linebacker departing Stanford for Salt Lake City. And sadly the guys talk about former Washington State head coach Mike Leach passing away at the age of 61. Ryan and Dave share some of their favorite stories about The Pirate whose wide open spread offenses changed college football as we know it today. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio talking about the Utah Utes defeating the USC Trojans 47-24 in Las Vegas. The victory secured Kyle Whittingham's second-straight Pac-12 Championship and another Rose Bowl berth, this time against Penn State. Colorado was also making noise in the Pac-12 footprint by hiring Coach Prime to take over the struggling football program. Deion Sanders is leaving Jackson State to come to Boulder and there will likely be a lot of roster turnover before the start of the 2023 football season. Ryan and Dave talk about this monumental hire in the Conference of Champions and why they think this can work for the Buffs. The guys also go over where the rest of the Pac-12 programs are going bowling and how the Conference of Champions is being impacted by the newly opened NCAA Transfer Portal. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio previewing the Pac-12 Championship between the USC Trojans and the Utah Utes. These two squads faced off back on October 15 with Kyle Whittingham's Utes edging out Lincoln Riley's Trojans 43-42 on a two-point conversion with under a minute to play in the game. The guys talk about how they think this match-up will go and make their pick against the spread, currently listed as USC -3 over Utah. They also discuss the Pac-12 decision to eliminate divisions in an attempt to create a better matchup that in this case potentially took away the more compelling game. With the division format USC would have won the South and faced off against Washington who would have won the North. The Huskies not only have one more win than Utah but they also have one of the most dynamic quarterbacks in the country, Indiana transfer Michael Penix. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this emergency episode of the Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods give their thoughts on the breaking news that Stanford head coach David Shaw announced he is stepping down from his position effective immediately. Saturday night the Cardinal fell to BYU at home 35-26 but Shaw said his decision was already made over the Thanksgiving weekend. Ryan and Dave talk about this major shakeup in the Pac-12 coaching ranks with the four-time Pac-12 coach of the year and winningest coach in Stanford history finally moving aside. They also discuss the other major head coaching news with Oregon offensive coordinator Kenny Dillingham returning home to Tempe, taking over as head coach of the Arizona State Sun Devils. Dillingham was officially announced as ASU's head man just hours after the Ducks lost a stunner in Corvallis that, along with Washington's win in the Apple Cup, knocked them out of a chance to play for the Pac-12 Championship. Oh, and there is also a ton of Pac-12 football the boys will recap including the Trojans putting a capper on an 11-1 season with a controlling win over Notre Dame, Utah scoring all the points against Colorado, Jedd Fisch getting some Territorial revenge and lots more! As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back together again in studio recapping two of the most important match-ups of the 2022 Pac-12 football season, UCLA hosting USC at the Rose Bowl and Oregon hosting Utah at Autzen Stadium. Both games came down to the wire, though one was far more entertaining than the other, and both results went a long way to determining who would play for the conference championship in Las Vegas on December 2. With the victories by USC and Oregon the Trojans are in and the Ducks control their own destiny, getting in as the home team with a win in the Civil War against Oregon State on Saturday. They also recap the other week 12 games in the conference including Washington steamrolling Colorado, Jayden del Laura imploding against his old WSU squad, Big Game 4th quarter drama and the Beavers cruising in the desert. Looking ahead to the final weekend of the regular season the guys preview two Friday night games with the public California schools facing off against each other along with the Territorial Cup in Tucson. They also preview the Saturday rivalry games in Oregon, Washington and Colorado along with Stanford vs. BYU and USC vs. Notre Dame. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We have a very special game preview Tunnel Vision with USCFootball.com's Ryan Abraham joined by David Woods from BruinReportOnline to preview the huge matchup between No. 7 USC and No. 16 UCLA Saturday evening at the Rose Bowl. The 9-1 Trojans control their own destiny for the Pac-12 Championship game, a win and they are in. After losing to Arizona on Saturday the Bruins need some help to make it to Las Vegas if they can secure wins against USC and Cal next weekend. Ryan and Dave talk about this huge crosstown showdown featuring two very powerful offenses and two very suspect defenses. Tune in live at this special day and time and get fired up for another exciting Pac-12 match-up for 2022 Trojan football season! This is a podcast version of our video show Tunnel Vision that you can find on our Facebook or YouTube pages. Make sure you check out USCFootball.com for complete coverage of this USC Trojan football team.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back together again in studio recapping what they thought would be an all chalk Pac-12 football weekend with heavy home favorites cruising to victories. Turns out, week 11 was total chaos with Conference of Champions cannibalism going on, knocking out two of the three hopefuls for the Pac-12 to make the College Football Playoffs for the first time since 2016. Things got off to a rocky start Friday night with Colorado leading USC 3-2 after the first quarter. The Trojans righted the ship and blew out the Buffs as expected, but it set the table for a bad vibes Saturday for two of the other title contenders. Oregon had the marquee matchup with Washington, but the Ducks were still two touchdown favorites at home. The Huskies had other plans and pulled off the stunning upset thanks to another huge night from transfer quarterback Michael Penix. With Oregon losing, it opened up conference championship opportunities and eliminated some strange tiebreakers for the LA schools. In one of the Pac-12 After Dark games UCLA couldn't take advantage and fell to three touchdown underdog Arizona, putting their Pac-12 title on life support. Week 12 features another full slate of Pac-12 games with a virtual semifinal that has USC travelling to the Rose Bowl to take on UCLA and Utah heading to Eugene to take on Oregon. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back together again in studio recapping what started off as a competitive Pac-12 football weekend with a compelling Friday night game between Washington and Oregon State but quickly turned into what was mostly blowout central on Saturday. After an impressive run picking against the spread last weekend Ryan and Dave struggled in their predictions for week ten. Week eleven is another full slate of Pac-12 games kicking off on Friday again with USC and Colorado followed by some potential clunkers on Saturday outside of the main event, Oregon hosting Washington in one of the best rivalries in the conference. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back together again in studio recapping another exciting weekend of Pac-12 football that featured five games, four with double-digit spreads and four road favorites notching victories. The action got started on Thursday night with a hobbled Utah squad that took down Washington State in Pullman despite the biggest surprise of the weekend, star quarterback Cam Rising who was a game time scratch. On Saturday the Ducks continued their winning ways with an 18-point road win over Cal in which Bo Nix accounted for six touchdowns including three on the ground. USC was also banged up heading into the desert without top starters on both sides of the ball, but was still able to hold on for an 8-point win over Arizona. In the interim head coaching bowl Arizona State outlasted Colorado in Bounder and UCLA decimated Stanford at the Rose Bowl. The guys also discuss the Big 12's new media rights deal and what they think it means for the Pac-12 and Stanford stamping out fun by banning the Tree mascot for the rest of the season. Plus with Oregon, Utah, USC and UCLA 15-0 against the rest of the conference, which program has the best shot to knock off any of the top-4? And congrats to Oregon State who entered the AP top-25 despite being on a bye week! Looking ahead to week ten all 12 teams are in action featuring Oregon State at Washington on Friday night. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back together again in studio recapping another exciting weekend of Pac-12 football that once again showed how important home field advantage is in the conference. Week eight had only four contests and three of the four home teams notched victories with the lone road team (Washington) failing to cover the 7.5 point spread at Cal. The marquee match-up was of course the Bruins on the road at Oregon leaving the Ducks as the lone Pac-12 team left undefeated in conference play. There are some wild scenarios for which two teams make the conference title game in this first season with no divisions with UCLA, Oregon, USC and Utah as the main teams in contention to make it to Las Vegas. The guys also discuss what Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkiff had to say at basketball media day including comments about his letter to the UC Board of Regents that asked the board to block the Bruins from leaving the conference. He also doubled-down on his statement that UCLA would be worse off financially leaving for the Big Ten than it would be staying in the Pac-12. Looking ahead to week nine we get things started with a tough road test for Utah heading to Pullman to play Washington State on Thursday night followed by what mostly look like lopsided contests on Saturday outside of the interim coach bowl with Arizona State at Colorado. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back together again in studio recapping another exciting and bizarre weekend of Pac-12 football. Week seven was about as upside down as you could have imagined with the two bottom dwellers of our POC Power Rankings securing victories. It was once again a great week for home teams with all four Pac-12 match-ups going to the home squad. It was also another good week if you were an interim head coach as Colorado's Mike Sanford got an emotional victory over California in his first game running the Buffs. And even the team that should have an interim head coach got a win with Stanford shocking Notre Dame on the road, scoring only one touchdown but still getting its first victory over an FBS opponent since early last year. The guys also take a look at the marquee game in the Pac-12 with Utah edging out an exciting one-point win over USC in Rice-Eccles Stadium. Looking ahead to week eight there are just four games in the conference with the big one being UCLA heading to Oregon with College Game Day making a West Coast appearance for the first time this season. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back together again in studio for a special early week edition of the show where they break down all of the Pac-12 football action from week 6 and preview what is to come in week 7. The LA schools are on their way out in 2024 but they are apparently trying to exit in style with both USC and UCLA sitting at 6-0 for the first time since 2005. The Oregon Ducks have bounced back from their 46-point beatdown at the hands of Georgia and look like legit conference title contenders and ASU interim head coach Shaun Aguano got his emotional first win. As cool as it was for the Sun Devils to get an upset win over nationally ranked Washington just a couple weeks after Herm Edwards was fired, that result pales in comparison to what went down on the Farm in #Pac12AfterDark. The Oregon State Beavers scored three touchdowns in the final quarter including the game winner with 13 seconds left on their way to toppling Stanford 28-27. The Cardinal could taste the end of their 10-game losing streak to FBS programs, at least until they couldn't. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods once again have some breaking news to discuss with the announcement that Colorado has finally pulled the trigger and let head coach Karl Dorrell go. The Buffs are winless on the season, 0-5 total and 0-5 against the spread and the administration had no choice but fire him and try to move on from the terrible decision it was to hire Dorrell back in 2020. In what was a home-dominated slate of games in the Pac-12 for week five with every road team losing, the guys recap all of the action from UCLA's dominate performance against Washington on Friday to Oregon putting a beat down on hapless Stanford late Saturday night. They also preview the all of the week six action that includes five games with both California and Colorado getting the week off (good news for the Buffs and interim head coach Mike Sanford). As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods continued their tear picking the Pac-12 football games in week four with both hosts going 4-2 against the spread. The guys start off the show talking about how the first full week of Pac-12 play went, including an incredible showdown in Corvallis between USC and Oregon State, Washington State once again snagging defeat out of the jaws of victory (to Oregon's benefit) and California's impressive offensive explosion against Arizona. The guys then focus their attention on some interesting match-ups in the Pac-12 for week five including a pair of undefeated teams facing off in the Rose Bowl with Washington visiting UCLA on Friday night. The Beavers will also try and bounce back by heading to Salt Lake City and facing the Utes who would love to avenge their OSU loss from last season. Please note the three Pac-12 After Dark games all feature point spreads of 17 points or more, so plan your evening accordingly. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods bounced back significantly last week in their Pac-12 picks against the spread (9-2 for Ryan, 8-3 for Dave), even with their belief that Herm Edwards was somehow going to cover a 3-score spread against a team that featured actual human beings. Speaking of Herm, HE GONE! Arizona State finally pulled the trigger and let Herm go so the guys spend the top part of the show talking about the move, potential candidates and why they are not expecting the same treatment for Colorado's Karl Dorrell any time soon. It was also a great weekend for the Pacific Northwest teams with everyone notching a victory including Oregon spanking a top-15 BYU squad and Washington jumping all over the overrated top-15 Michigan State Spartans (and no we don't think it was a on the downlow interview to join the Big Ten). This was the first time the Pac-12 has recorded two wins over ranked teams on the same Saturday in 9 years! They discuss those games and how the rest of the Conference of Champions fared as they wrap up the majority of the out of conference slate and turn towards conference play. Speaking of conference play the guys make their picks against the spread for week four with six Pac-12 match-ups, highlighted by undefeated Oregon State hosting No.7 USC and undefeated Washington State hosting No. 15 Oregon. Please note that undefeated UCLA is going to Colorado but we don't recommend watching that. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods have been following this conference for years but somehow both are batting just .500 picking the games against the spread. This week they go back over week two and talk about how things unfolded for the Pac-12 including a huge win for Washington State at Wisconsin, another beatdown for Colorado and the first conference match-up between USC and Stanford. The guys also take a look ahead to week three and once again give their picks for all Pac-12 games against the spread. The aforementioned Stanford has a BYE, but the rest of the conference is in action with some interesting non-conference games including Michigan State visiting Washington, Fresno State heading to the Coliseum, California on the road at Notre Dame, BYU visiting Oregon and Colorado on the road at Minnesota. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are already in midseason form with their picks against the spread (meaning they are just as bad as they were last year). The guys do what they can to make sense of what happened in week one of Pac-12 play, where the conference went 9-3 overall but 0-3 against Power Five competition including blowout losses by Colorado and Oregon and a heartbreaking defeat by defending conference champion Utah. The guys also take a look ahead to week two and make their picks against the spread including the first conference match-up of the season when USC hits the road to take on Stanford. They also give an update on the POC Survival Pool where the majority of listeners advanced thanks to the Cardinal beating Colgate, but we did lose a couple contestants including one sicko who took Colorado to beat TCU in week one. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. If you are still alive in our POC Survivor Pool make your picks here. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are ready for another exciting season of Pac-12 football, previewing all of the week 1 action including Utah's trip to the swamp and Oregon's Lan Danning facing off against his former team. The guys make all of their picks against the spread for the annual season-long contest plus they reveal their survival pool selections for week one. The guys also discuss where the Pac-12 stands now with both Oregon and Washington having reported talks with the Big Ten and the Big 12 moving up its media rights negotiation window in attempt to put the screws to the Conference of Champions. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast of Champion hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods looked at the schedule for every Pac-12 team and put in their predictions for how the season will go in the conference and which two programs will end up in Las Vegas for the Pac-12 Championship Game.  The guys also take a look back at how their predictions went from last year, go over the latest news from around the conference and address the latest rumors regarding conference realignment. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this edition of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio continuing their previews of the six remaining Pac-12 programs with Arizona State, Utah, Oregon, Washington State, Stanford and California. The guys hear from experts from each program's 247Sports website talking about the strengths and weaknesses of each program heading into the 2022 college football season. The guys also talk about the newly released media rights deal for the Big Ten that includes Fox, CBS and NBC and what it could possibly mean for the Pac-12. ESPN being left out of the deal should be a good thing for the Conference of Champions, but with the other three major networks involved in the B1G, there are less available options for commissioner George Kliavkoff to explore. Plus the UC Board of Regents weighed in on UCLA leaving Cal behind and the guys talk about what was said at that meeting (not that either of them went) and if they feel there is a chance the Bruins get forced to stay (walking away from a half a billion dollar Big Ten deal is VERY unlikely). They also talk about the new AP Poll that has Utah at No. 7, Oregon and No. 11 and USC and No. 14., the Athletic's look at the past 10 years of the Pac-12 Network plus David thinks about who his POC cohost would be if UCLA stays in the Pac-12 and USC (and Ryan) leave for the Big Ten. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this edition of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio (after a week off) giving a quick recap of what they saw at Pac-12 Media Day with commissioner George Kliavkoff addressing the state of the conference and declaring war on the Big 12. They also start their college football 2022 season previews for half of the conference with reporters from Arizona, Colorado, Oregon State and Washington checking in along with previews from USC and UCLA from Ryan and Dave. The guys also talk about the latest news on the television market front with ESPN dropping out of the Big Ten's next media rights deal. Fox continues to be a major player for the B1G but now CBS and NBC will be involved showing conference games as well. This will have an impact on the Pac-12's media rights negotiations, but no one knows how much. On one hand ESPN now needs more inventory which could be good for the Conference of Champions, but with CBS and NBC no longer on the table there will likely be less competition for ESPN and less incentive to pay more for the Pac-12's media rights. They also talk about the slowdown in conference realignment talk and now both feel what we have with USC and UCLA in the Big Ten and the Pac-12 with 10 schools is likely to be the new norm going forward (until something crazy happens and then it isn't). As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this edition of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back previewing what should be an extremely interesting and informative Pac-12 Media Day where we will hear from commissioner George Kliavkoff for the first time since it was announced that USC and UCLA were leaving for the Big Ten in 2024. Last year Kliavkoff was on the job for less than a month when he addressed the media, fielding questions about NIL, conference expansion thanks to Texas and Oklahoma announced they would join the SEC and why Washington State head coach Nick Rolovich wouldn't be attending Media Day in person. We thought 2021 was a crazy first year for the commissioner, but with two of the biggest brands leaving the conference 2022 says, 'hold my beer.' The guys also talk about what they expect to hear about the LA schools bolting, the negotiations for the new Pac-12 television contract, what's next for conference expansion and what sort of reaction they expect from coaches and players that aren't leaving the conference (as of now). As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this edition of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back talking about how things have seemingly settled down on the conference realignment front, two weeks after both USC and UCLA announced they would be leaving the Pac-12 and joining the Big Ten. The guys talk about some of the options out there for the next steps including the Pac-12 merging with another conference, the Pac-12 making a loose alliance with another conference, the Pac-12 raiding another conference, the Pac-12 getting raided by another conference or the Pac-12 standing pat with 10 teams. There could be some big news dropping any moment, but more than likely the college football landscape will stay this way for a while until something else big happens and we start all over again. The guys also discuss yet another terrible tragedy for the conference with Oregon tight end Spencer Webb passing away after a cliff diving accident. He was 22 years old. They also talk about which Pac-12 programs have had the most 1,000,000+ viewers for their football games recently (with some surprises for sure), the University of California Board of Regents taking notice of the Bruins leaving California behind, the Big 12 media days kicking off with talk of expansion plus how conferences and television networks view football brand vs. television markets.  As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this edition of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods welcome in special guest John Canzano to talk about last week's bombshell news that USC and UCLA would be leaving the Pac-12 for a much bigger payday in the Big Ten. Within the first 48 hours of the news breaking Canzano wasn't very optimistic that the Pac-12 would continue to exist after 2024, but since then he now feels that commissioner George Kliavkoff will be able to pull something together and keep the Conference of Champions afloat, one way or another. We get into several topics with John, including the viability of this West Coast conference without the Los Angeles market and what sort of options there are out there, starting with a partnership with the ACC. Adding schools to the ACC would be tough with their TV deal lasting until 2036, but there are opportunities to for the Pac-12 and ACC to work together, scheduling games and even having potential post season match-ups between the top teams from each conference squaring off in Las Vegas. This sort of out of the box thinking would give ESPN more programming and the Pac-12 (and ACC) more revenue. They also talk about what potential expansion for the Pac-12 will look like, what Oregon and Washington's best options are, if he thinks the mountain and desert schools will leave for the Big 12, what could happen with the Bay Area schools and of course how Washington State and Oregon State are in limbo waiting for all of the dust to fall in order to find out their fate. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a rare EMERGENCY edition of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods, who had wished Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff a happy one year anniversary earlier in the week, now try to make sense of the horrific anniversary present that arrived on his door step courtesy of the Los Angeles schools. We are of course talking about the college football bombshell first reported by Jon Wilner and later confirmed by all parties involved that the University of Southerner California and the University of California, Los Angeles would be leaving the Conference of Champions and joining the Big Ten conference. The guys talk about what this means for the landscape of college football and compare this event with a major one from 11 months ago when Texas and Oklahoma decided to leave the Big 12 and join the SEC. They also go through each Pac-12 program one by one and discuss what this means for them. The unquestionable winners in this transaction are USC and UCLA, but there are some Pac-12 programs that are positioned really well to land in a soft spot, while others are on much tougher footing and may need a miracle to retain Power Five status. There is also the question about the future of the Podcast of Champions, considering the conference could be in major trouble and the two hosts will be covering teams that are no longer in the Pac-12. We don't have any answers for you yet, but we still have a couple of years (both teams leaving in 2024) to come up with a solution. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods wish Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff a very happy one year anniversary. If you recall Kliavkoff officially took over for the embattled Larry Scott on July 1, 2021, right at the time that college football went from a silly sport to certifiably insane one. Corresponding with his start date, the NCAA permitted all student athletes to profit off of their Name, Image and Likeness but provided very little in the form of rules and guidelines. The sport was also rocked when Texas and Oklahoma decided to leave the Big 12 and enter the SEC plus a new 12-team college football playoff format was announced and then quickly shot down and fought over for several months before ultimately being shelved. They also take a look at what Kliavkoff had to say in one of his many "year in review interviews," this time with friend of the podcast Jon Wilner where he talked about changing the entire collegiate model, how the conference had a bit of a COVID hangover that isn't finished yet and the better communication between the conference office and the individual campuses. The guys also discuss the change at the top of the Pac-12 power structure, the Big 12 reportedly finding their next commissioner, the ACC releasing a new division-less football schedule for 2023 and Pac-12 teams involved in some of the most anticipated games of the 2022 college football season. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods take a look at some of the early betting lines for some of the most intriguing matchups for Pac-12 programs and see how they have changed from when they first came out to now following all of the roster adjustments thanks to the NCAA Transfer Portal. We also discuss Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham getting another contract extension and raise thanks to the Utes Rose Bowl appearance, making him one of the highest paid coaches in the conference. They also take a look what Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff had to say about NIL and his thoughts on what needs to be changed going forward plus his idea to separate major college football from the rest of the NCAA sports programs. The guys also recognized the 50th anniversary of Title IX and discuss the plans the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC have to celebrate it over the next year, they name most impactful transfer for each Pac-12 program plus the conference finally gets an official grocery chain partner (not a joke, its Sprouts).  As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods take a look at how each of the Pac-12 football rosters have changed over the past six months with players leaving and joining programs through the NCAA Transfer Portal. Our friend Chris Karpman from SunDevilSource compiled this massive list that shows all of the additions and subtractions for each of the Pac-12 squads. Five of the 12 programs in the conference ended up with top-25 transfer classes, trailing only the SEC for most teams in the top-25 with six. They also take a look at the upcoming Pac-12 media rights deal and discuss how the upcoming Big 10 deal could have a major impact on which options commissioner George Kliavkoff could have access to in order to finally boost conference revenues. With Name, Image and Likeness dominating the college football headlines, Ryan and Dave give their thoughts on how NIL is changing the sport and what changes, if any, they would like to see plus USC chief of staff Brandon Sosna, the architect of the Lincoln Riley hire, is leaving for a front office position with the Detroit Lions. As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods discuss the newly released early season Pac-12 television schedule that includes several high profile matchups against traditional powers from other Power Five conferences. It could be an incredible showcase for the Conference of Champions if the teams from the West Coast are able to notch a few notable victories or it could be a mitigated disaster for commissioner George Kliavkoff and the Pac-12. They also take a look at the Pac-12 bowl schedule for the 2022 season that includes the rare January 2 Rose Bowl. The five bowls line up well for the Pac-12, getting to face a local Group of Five opponent from the Mountain West in the Los Angeles Bowl followed by four bowl games facing opponents from the other four Power Five conferences (Las Vegas vs. SEC, Alamo vs. Big 12, Sun vs. ACC & Rose vs. Big 10). Which Pac-12 teams will step up and make it to those bowl games (or even a college football playoff appearance)? Jon Wilner recently broke down the Pac-12 football schedule strength so Ryan and Dave chime in and give their thoughts on all of the programs from the easiest schedule (UCLA) to the toughest schedule (Colorado). As always Dave and Ryan spend the last part of the show answering your voicemails, texts and emails with questions about Pac-12 football plus lots of other topics. Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices