Podcasts about multifamily

Distress has emerged in the multifamily space. Lenders are taking projects back from sponsors and selling them for the debt or even taking losses in many cases. As a result, some great deals are being made by sponsors to capitalize on these situations and acquire solid workforce properties at a discount. David Lilley, Founder & CEO of Reap Capital, is acquiring 80's vintage properties in Dallas and San Antonio at steep discounts. He's also starting to consider expanding into Florida and Arizona. Reap capital is a vertically integrated multifamily operator based in Dallas.

On today's podcast, we're joined again by James Hwang, co-founder of Stellar Housing Solutions in New Jersey, where he and his partners operate 20+ midterm rentals through a mix of ownership, co-hosting, and arbitrage. James breaks down how he's expanded his reach far beyond his own units by building a local MTR network—a WhatsApp group of New Jersey operators who share leads, referrals, and vendors. That collaboration acts like a “third OTA,” keeping units booked even in slow seasons and opening doors to new co-hosting and arbitrage deals. We dig into arbitrage in today's market—where it still works, where it doesn't, and how James structures profitable deals. He targets solid but slightly less “premium” areas near hot markets, negotiates creatively around rent vs. deposits, and positions himself as the stress-free solution for landlords. James also walks us through his landlord conversation playbook: speaking as a fellow owner, addressing pain points like non-payment and property damage, and demonstrating how midterm rentals can mean early, automated rent and better-maintained units. That credibility often leads to repeat opportunities and more doors. If you're looking to scale midterm rentals, tap into community instead of competing, or revive arbitrage with smart analysis and systems, this episode with James is a masterclass in doing MTRs the right way.     Resources: Simplify how you manage your rentals with TurboTenant Get in touch with Envy Investment Group Connect with James on Instagram Get the deets on Stellar Housing Solutions Find out more about MTR Office Hours Listen to Episode 193 Make sure your name is on the list to secure your spot in The WIIRE Community  Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Leave us a review on Spotify Join our private Facebook Community Connect with us on Instagram

In this episode of the Real Estate Pros Podcast, host Micah Johnson interviews Nathan Legg, a commercial real estate professional with a focus on multifamily properties in Canada. Nathan shares his journey from running a travel business to pivoting into real estate during the pandemic. He discusses the importance of viewing real estate through an investor's lens, the differences between the Canadian and American multifamily markets, and the strategies he employs to source deals. The conversation emphasizes the significance of building relationships in the industry and how Nathan's personal investment goals align with his professional endeavors.   Professional Real Estate Investors - How we can help you: Investor Fuel Mastermind:  Learn more about the Investor Fuel Mastermind, including 100% deal financing, massive discounts from vendors and sponsors you're already using, our world class community of over 150 members, and SO much more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/apply   Investor Machine Marketing Partnership:  Are you looking for consistent, high quality lead generation? Investor Machine is America's #1 lead generation service professional investors. Investor Machine provides true 'white glove' support to help you build the perfect marketing plan, then we'll execute it for you…talking and working together on an ongoing basis to help you hit YOUR goals! Learn more here: http://www.investormachine.com   Coaching with Mike Hambright:  Interested in 1 on 1 coaching with Mike Hambright? Mike coaches entrepreneurs looking to level up, build coaching or service based businesses (Mike runs multiple 7 and 8 figure a year businesses), building a coaching program and more. Learn more here: https://investorfuel.com/coachingwithmike   Attend a Vacation/Mastermind Retreat with Mike Hambright: Interested in joining a "mini-mastermind" with Mike and his private clients on an upcoming "Retreat", either at locations like Cabo San Lucas, Napa, Park City ski trip, Yellowstone, or even at Mike's East Texas "Big H Ranch"? Learn more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/retreat   Property Insurance: Join the largest and most investor friendly property insurance provider in 2 minutes. Free to join, and insure all your flips and rentals within minutes! There is NO easier insurance provider on the planet (turn insurance on or off in 1 minute without talking to anyone!), and there's no 15-30% agent mark up through this platform!  Register here: https://myinvestorinsurance.com/   New Real Estate Investors - How we can work together: Investor Fuel Club (Coaching and Deal Partner Community): Looking to kickstart your real estate investing career? Join our one of a kind Coaching Community, Investor Fuel Club, where you'll get trained by some of the best real estate investors in America, and partner with them on deals! You don't need $ for deals…we'll partner with you and hold your hand along the way! Learn More here: http://www.investorfuel.com/club   —--------------------

In this episode of the Real Estate Pros Podcast, host Micah Johnson interviews David Summers, founder of the Hope Housing Initiative. David shares his personal journey through the criminal justice system and how it inspired him to create a multifamily housing platform focused on helping individuals reintegrate into society after incarceration. He discusses the importance of stable housing, the support systems he has built, and the financial incentives that make his model sustainable. David emphasizes the need for community support and partnerships to address the housing crisis for those reentering society, while also highlighting the profitability of his impact investing approach.   Professional Real Estate Investors - How we can help you: Investor Fuel Mastermind:  Learn more about the Investor Fuel Mastermind, including 100% deal financing, massive discounts from vendors and sponsors you're already using, our world class community of over 150 members, and SO much more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/apply   Investor Machine Marketing Partnership:  Are you looking for consistent, high quality lead generation? Investor Machine is America's #1 lead generation service professional investors. Investor Machine provides true 'white glove' support to help you build the perfect marketing plan, then we'll execute it for you…talking and working together on an ongoing basis to help you hit YOUR goals! Learn more here: http://www.investormachine.com   Coaching with Mike Hambright:  Interested in 1 on 1 coaching with Mike Hambright? Mike coaches entrepreneurs looking to level up, build coaching or service based businesses (Mike runs multiple 7 and 8 figure a year businesses), building a coaching program and more. Learn more here: https://investorfuel.com/coachingwithmike   Attend a Vacation/Mastermind Retreat with Mike Hambright: Interested in joining a "mini-mastermind" with Mike and his private clients on an upcoming "Retreat", either at locations like Cabo San Lucas, Napa, Park City ski trip, Yellowstone, or even at Mike's East Texas "Big H Ranch"? Learn more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/retreat   Property Insurance: Join the largest and most investor friendly property insurance provider in 2 minutes. Free to join, and insure all your flips and rentals within minutes! There is NO easier insurance provider on the planet (turn insurance on or off in 1 minute without talking to anyone!), and there's no 15-30% agent mark up through this platform!  Register here: https://myinvestorinsurance.com/   New Real Estate Investors - How we can work together: Investor Fuel Club (Coaching and Deal Partner Community): Looking to kickstart your real estate investing career? Join our one of a kind Coaching Community, Investor Fuel Club, where you'll get trained by some of the best real estate investors in America, and partner with them on deals! You don't need $ for deals…we'll partner with you and hold your hand along the way! Learn More here: http://www.investorfuel.com/club   —--------------------

In this episode of The Willpower Podcast, host Will Holdren sits down with real estate investor and technologist Neal Bawa, widely known in the industry as the “Mad Scientist of Multifamily.”Neal is the founder and CEO of Grocapitus Investments, a data-driven real estate investment firm with a portfolio spanning thousands of units and hundreds of millions of dollars in assets across the United States. Before entering real estate, Neal built his career in technology and data science — a background that now fuels his analytical approach to investing and market selection. In this conversation, Neal shares how data analytics can be used to identify high-growth markets, minimize risk, and scale multifamily portfolios more predictably. We also dive into the future of housing, the rise of build-to-rent communities, and why relying on data instead of intuition can dramatically improve investment outcomes.Whether you're an experienced investor or just getting started in real estate, this episode breaks down the frameworks Neal uses to evaluate markets, structure deals, and build long-term wealth.

Links & ResourcesFollow us on social media for updates: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out our recommended tool: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Prop Stream⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Thank you for listening!

John Casmon interviews Ben Kanner, founder of Three V Infrastructure, about the growing intersection between EV charging and multifamily real estate. Ben shares his journey from subprime mortgages to Deutsche Bank portfolio management and eventually into renewable infrastructure, where he identified a major financing gap in EV charging for commercial properties. He explains why EV charging should be viewed primarily as an amenity rather than a direct NOI driver and how operators can use it to attract higher-income renters, increase rents, and reduce turnover. Ben breaks down EV adoption trends, noting that while U.S. penetration still trails global markets, adoption continues to rise—especially with more affordable EV models and a wave of used Teslas entering the market. For multifamily owners, the key isn't just installation, but proper underwriting based on EV registration data, demographic trends, and projected utilization. Three V Infrastructure offers a no-upfront-cost model where they fund, install, own, and manage the chargers, taking utilization risk and only profit-sharing after recouping their capital and a threshold return. Ben KannerCurrent role: Founder, Three V InfrastructureBased in: Bay Area, California Where to find Ben Email: bkanner@3vinfrastructure.com Website: https://www.3vinfrastructure.com Visit ⁠trustetc.com/bestever⁠ for more info. Book your free demo today at bill.com/bestever and get a $100 Amazon gift card. Visit ⁠www.tribevestisc.com⁠ for more info. Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to quo.com/BESTEVER  Join the Best Ever Community  The Best Ever Community is live and growing - and we want serious commercial real estate investors like you inside. It's free to join, but you must apply and meet the criteria.  Connect with top operators, LPs, GPs, and more, get real insights, and be part of a curated network built to help you grow. Apply now at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠www.bestevercommunity.com⁠⁠ Podcast production done by⁠ ⁠Outlier Audio⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How do you raise over $40 million in capital and participate in more than $250 million in multifamily acquisitions while building a reputation for consistency, integrity, and results? In this episode, investor and syndicator Aaron Katz shares the real story behind his decade-plus journey in multifamily—from entering the business in 2011 and building his portfolio one relationship and one deal at a time, to navigating market cycles and positioning for the next wave of opportunity in DFW. Aaron discusses why he approaches multifamily as a “lifetime business,” how disciplined underwriting and the right partnerships helped him weather recent market headwinds, and why he believes today's environment resembles the early days of the last real estate cycle. For investors and entrepreneurs seeking practical insight into raising capital, building investor communities, and executing deals that stand the test of time, this episode delivers lessons you can apply immediately.5 Key Takeaways from the EpisodeMultifamily is a Long-Term Business Aaron entered the industry with the mindset that apartments would be his business for decades, focusing on steady growth, wealth creation, and lifestyle flexibility rather than rapid deal volume. Success is Built One Relationship at a Time His capital raising success—over $40M—was built through thousands of conversations, consistent communication, and a strong investor community developed over many years. Operations Matter More Than Ever Aaron emphasizes that being an operator first—not just a capital raiser—is critical, especially in markets where margins are tighter and execution of the business plan determines success. Discipline and Patience Protect Investors By underwriting conservatively and walking away from deals that didn't meet his criteria—even when brokers were willing to award them—Aaron preserved investor capital and positioned himself for better opportunities. Market Cycles Create Opportunity Aaron believes the current multifamily environment resembles the early stages of the post-recession cycle when he started in 2011, suggesting the coming years could present significant buying opportunities for disciplined investors. About Tim MaiTim Mai is a real estate investor, fund manager, mentor, and founder of HERO Mastermind for REI coaches.He has helped many real estate investors and coaches become millionaires. Tim continues to help busy professionals earn income and build wealth through passive investing.He is also a creative marketer and promoter with incredible knowledge and experience, which he freely shares. He has lifted himself from the aftermath of war, achieving technical expertise in computers, followed by investment success in real estate, management skills, and a lofty position among real estate educators and internet marketers.Tim is an industry leader who has acquired and exited well over $50 million worth of real estate and is currently an investor in over 2700 units of multifamily apartments.Connect with TimWebsite: Capital Raising PartyFacebook: Tim Mai | Capital Raising Nation Instagram: @timmaicomTwitter: @timmaiLinkedIn: Tim MaiYouTube: Tim Mai 

This episode details how we recently made the decision to purchase a full Bitcoin, not because we're abandoning the strategy that built our foundation, but because we've continued to evolve our understanding of diversification. After some recent conversations with a few mentors we respect, it pushed us to think deeper about how we position our portfolio for the long term. Real estate will always remain our core focus. Buying multifamily properties, creating cash flow, and building equity, but we also believe in allocating a small portion of capital to assets that can hedge against broader macroeconomic risks.   One of the reasons Bitcoin stands out is its decentralized nature and fixed supply. Unlike traditional currencies that can be printed and controlled by central banks, Bitcoin operates on a network that no single entity controls. In a world where the money supply continues to expand and inflation erodes purchasing power, we view Bitcoin as a potential hedge against the long-term debasement of the dollar.   That said, we're not replacing real estate with Bitcoin. Multifamily and rental properties will continue to be the backbone of our portfolio because of the cash flow, tax advantages, and value creation opportunities they provide. Bitcoin simply represents a small, strategic allocation within a broader wealth-building strategy - one that allows us to stay heavily invested in real estate while also diversifying into assets that may benefit from long-term economic shifts. We figured this episode would give some insight into our thought process and recent decision making  Book your call with Neo Home Loanshttps://www.neoentrepreneurhomeloans.com/wealthjuice/ Book your mentorship discovery call with Cory RESOURCES

In this episode of the Real Estate Pros Podcast, host Michelle Kesil interviews Ed Mathews, founder of Clark Street Capital and Elavista. Ed shares his journey from the tech industry to real estate investing, discussing the growth of his multifamily firm and the innovative AI tool, Elavista Connect, designed to streamline lead management for real estate investors. He emphasizes the importance of technology in enhancing business efficiency and provides valuable insights for new investors, including the significance of mentorship and starting small in the real estate market.   Professional Real Estate Investors - How we can help you: Investor Fuel Mastermind:  Learn more about the Investor Fuel Mastermind, including 100% deal financing, massive discounts from vendors and sponsors you're already using, our world class community of over 150 members, and SO much more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/apply   Investor Machine Marketing Partnership:  Are you looking for consistent, high quality lead generation? Investor Machine is America's #1 lead generation service professional investors. Investor Machine provides true 'white glove' support to help you build the perfect marketing plan, then we'll execute it for you…talking and working together on an ongoing basis to help you hit YOUR goals! Learn more here: http://www.investormachine.com   Coaching with Mike Hambright:  Interested in 1 on 1 coaching with Mike Hambright? Mike coaches entrepreneurs looking to level up, build coaching or service based businesses (Mike runs multiple 7 and 8 figure a year businesses), building a coaching program and more. Learn more here: https://investorfuel.com/coachingwithmike   Attend a Vacation/Mastermind Retreat with Mike Hambright: Interested in joining a "mini-mastermind" with Mike and his private clients on an upcoming "Retreat", either at locations like Cabo San Lucas, Napa, Park City ski trip, Yellowstone, or even at Mike's East Texas "Big H Ranch"? Learn more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/retreat   Property Insurance: Join the largest and most investor friendly property insurance provider in 2 minutes. Free to join, and insure all your flips and rentals within minutes! There is NO easier insurance provider on the planet (turn insurance on or off in 1 minute without talking to anyone!), and there's no 15-30% agent mark up through this platform!  Register here: https://myinvestorinsurance.com/   New Real Estate Investors - How we can work together: Investor Fuel Club (Coaching and Deal Partner Community): Looking to kickstart your real estate investing career? Join our one of a kind Coaching Community, Investor Fuel Club, where you'll get trained by some of the best real estate investors in America, and partner with them on deals! You don't need $ for deals…we'll partner with you and hold your hand along the way! Learn More here: http://www.investorfuel.com/club   —--------------------

In this episode, real estate data expert and multifamily investor Neal Bawa returns for the annual 2026 housing market forecast. Neal breaks down the performance of single-family and multifamily asset classes over the past several years, explaining why rents were essentially flat in 2025 and how the ICE workforce crackdown pushed a wave of unfinished inventory into 2026. He outlines why multifamily prices have hit a bottom — down 20–30% from their 2022 peak — and why that represents a buying opportunity, while single-family prices have remained surprisingly resilient due to the mortgage lock-in effect. Neal also shares his prediction of a rental supply shortage in 2027–2028 that should drive rent growth and occupancy higher, offers frank advice to syndication investors on holding through the downturn, and explains why small interest rate cuts can have an outsized impact on equity. He also introduces AI as a major wildcard that could reshape housing demand beyond 2030. Tune in for data-driven insights and practical takeaways for investors at every level. Highlights/Topics: 0:00 Intro + welcome Neal Bawa (2026 real estate predictions) 0:34 Single-family vs multifamily explained (Class A/B/C framework) 1:32 Real-world rent drop example: Fresno & Madera inventory surge 2:30 2025 rent growth recap: flat year, concessions, inflation effect 4:36 2026 forecast: supply rolling over, Q1 weak then accelerating rent growth 6:26 Investor question: should you buy now or sit on the sidelines? 7:11 Multifamily vs single-family since 2022: prices, resilience, lock-in effect 10:11 Why single-family cash flow is hardest right now (rates, taxes, insurance) 11:08 Why multifamily is near the bottom + “great time to buy” thesis 13:39 2027–2028 outlook: coming rental supply shortage + rent/occupancy boost 19:50 The AI wildcard: demand, jobs, and what changes after 2030 22:00 Advice for syndication investors: hold, cash calls, protect equity 24:16 Interest rates + equity math: why small rate cuts matter a lot 27:24 The “emotion” factor: sentiment shift and opportunity in 2026 32:00 Wrap-up + Neal's free webinars at multifamilyu.com/club Share this with real estate investors you know Resources: Multifamily University Investor Club — Free webinars (8/year), no upsell, no subscription https://multifamilyu.com/lp/multifamily-university-investor-club-lp/ Grocapitus — Neal Bawa's investment company https://www.grocapitus.com Location Magic eBook — Neal Bawa's data-driven market selection resource https://multifamilyu.com/lp/location-magic-ebook/ Anderson Advisors https://andersonadvisors.com/ Toby Mathis YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@TobyMathis Toby Mathis TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@tobymathisesq Clint Coons YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@ClintCoons    

“The most curious person in multifamily,” Moshe Crane is the VP of Branding and Strategic Initiatives at Sage Ventures, a Maryland-based real estate investment and management firm focused on multifamily and other asset acquisitions and development in the Baltimore-Washington corridor. The company manages more than $1B in assets and over 4,000 apartment units while developing and selling new homes. Moshe also hosts the Curious Wire podcast and writes the Curious Deal newsletter, where he breaks down multifamily deals, careers, and industry trends while exploring how operators build, finance, and scale real estate businesses.(01:45) - Moshe's Real Estate Path(02:32) - Deals Returning to the Market(06:05) - Sage Ventures' Market Focus(07:27) - Defining Great Operators(08:27) - The Third-Party Talent Crunch(10:17) - Systems Beat Stars(12:36) - The Sage Operations Playbook(15:47) - Fraud Screening Tools(19:01) - The Roving Team Mindset(21:05) - Moshe's Role(23:56) - Feature: CREtech New York Oct. 20–21 (25:52) - The Accidental Self-Storage Win(26:41) - Office-to-Storage Conversions(28:21) - A Scrappy Deal Mix(28:58) - Low-Basis Development Opportunities(29:46) - Pitching Flexibility to LPs(30:26) - No Gurus, Just Operators(33:58) - Discipline Over Vertical Integration(36:19) - PropTech Ecosystem Shifts(39:38) - Proptech Adoption(44:42) - Motivation, Curiosity & Faith(49:31) - Collaboration Superpower: Bill Walsh

Join the #1 real estate community for agents and investors: https://www.skool.com/offmarketmethod/about?ref=791b3644f63045c9a6d3d8634e57c1f1Want to SCALE your real estate business to $100k/month? Go here: https://easybuttonrealestate.com/Summary:AI is everywhere right now and honestly, we're seeing a lot of real estate entrepreneurs getting stuck because of it.In this episode, we talk about AI overwhelm and why it might actually be slowing your business down instead of speeding it up. We break down where AI can genuinely help (and where it absolutely won't), why residential real estate is still a people business, and why talking to sellers will always outperform tinkering with tools.If you've been feeling behind, distracted, or tempted by every new AI update, this one's for you. Sometimes the real bottleneck isn't technology… it's execution.Connect with Cole Ruud-JohnsonInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/coleruudjohnsonTwitter: https://twitter.com/coleruudjohnsonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coleruudjohnsonTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coleruudjohnson

Loan officers are ranked every single day — by volume, by performance, by reputation — but what if you could actually see where you stand? In this episode, I sit down with Dale Larson of Modex to break down a platform that's quietly changing the mortgage industry. Modex isn't just a ranking system — it's a data-driven transparency engine built specifically for loan officers. We dig into: How LOs can see where they rank inside their company, locally, and nationally — for free How to keep an open (and even anonymous) resume inside Modex to explore new opportunities How the platform helps loan officers evaluate companies that are trying to recruit them Why transparency flips the traditional recruiting power dynamic How data-backed credibility can elevate your career If you're a loan officer getting recruited weekly, wondering how you stack up, or thinking about your next move, this episode is a must-listen. Because in today's market, information isn't just power — it's leverage. Learn more at Modex.com Looking for Construction, Fix & Flip, Bridge, DSCR / Portfolio, or Multifamily financing for your clients? Partner with Lulu Capital Inc. for fast, dependable funding solutions. Get a quick quote here: https://www.lulucapitalinc.com/brokers Powered by: Mortgage Marketing Animals

Today, my guest is Mark Shuler. Mark Shuler RA is a licensed architect in the states of Washington and Texas with more than 35 years of professional experience as an architect, engineer, business owner and real estate investor as president of SGRE investments, Mark pursues value add opportunities that leverage his professional background and capitalize on his skill sets as an architect and real estate investor, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with Mark Schuler about the reasons why multifamily value add investing make a great investment strategy.    https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulerarchitecture/  

Multifamily investing doesn't fail because of bad deals. It fails because of bad property management. Today on the Heartland Multifamily Show, we break down why poor management is the fastest way to destroy profitable real estate investments. Even if you hire a property manager, taking a hands-on, owner-operator approach is critical to protecting your capital. In this episode, I explain why management is often overlooked, where investors get it wrong, and why strong property management should always come before growth, scale, or new acquisitions.

Multifamily investing isn't about hype—it's about fundamentals like real estate investment strategies and conservative investing. In this episode, we break down how technology in real estate and AI impact on real estate jobs are driving commoditization in real estate, where speed commoditizes everything from careers to brokerage commissions. Discover why hard assets investing like apartment investing, farmland investing, and gold and silver investing offers a durable wealth building strategy against value compression. We explore real estate market trends 2026, including avoiding commoditization in investing and shifting to passive real estate investing in multifamily apartments for sale or rental property investment.

Mike Strodtman, owner of Blue Skies Equity, is a seasoned investor proving that even in a challenging market, strategic focus and meticulous operations lead to success. From his base in Bemidji, Minnesota, Mike discusses how he navigates the tight multifamily market of 2024-2026, still managing to close deals by leveraging deep local market knowledge and direct owner engagement. He shares his two-pronged investment approach: mastering his local Minnesota market where he knows most owners, and when expanding out of state (like in Colorado Springs), partnering exclusively with sponsors who have strong local market knowledge, existing real estate, and crucial in-house property management capabilities. Mike reveals why his own in-house property management company is a non-negotiable for controlling expenses and tenant relations, offering a candid look at the challenges of external management and the power of having a dedicated team. Don't miss Mike's insights on asset management, market navigation, and the critical role of self-management in scaling your real estate portfolio.

Most Colorado investors have never seriously considered industrial real estate. At first, it feels like a different world — big buildings, commercial tenants, unfamiliar terminology. But once you understand how the asset class actually works, it starts to look a lot like the multifamily investing you already know, just with fewer headaches. To start, industrial real estate covers a wide range. On one end you have a 2,000 square foot bay rented to an HVAC company. On the other end, million square foot distribution centers broken into 20,000-50,000 square foot bays. For individual investors, though, the sweet spot is the middle — small-bay multi-tenant buildings in the $1-4 million range where spaces run 1,500 to 5,000 square feet. These attract the same kinds of small businesses that keep renewing: trade contractors, lumber companies, light manufacturers. Tenants that need space and don’t want to move. And in a triple net lease, those tenants pay your taxes, your insurance, and your maintenance costs. You collect the check. That’s where Drew Williams comes in. Drew is an industrial and retail broker at North Peak Commercial Brokers in Denver. Over the last four years he’s focused on exactly this segment of the market — multi-tenant industrial along the Front Range — and in this episode he walks through the asset class from the ground up. Deal types, tenant profiles, how to read a cap rate, what flex industrial actually means, and how to think about risk when you’re underwriting a business instead of a household. From there, the conversation turns to where the 2026 Denver industrial real estate market stands right now. Prices have pulled back. The ask-to-close gap has averaged 15% over the last 12 months. Meanwhile, rents have held flat at $12-13 per square foot triple net while expenses have climbed. On top of that, lenders now want 35-40% down and a 1.3 DSCR. It sounds like a tough market — and in some ways it is. Still, Drew explains why these conditions are also creating real opportunities for buyers who know how to find them. In This Episode We Cover: What industrial real estate actually is — deal types, tenant profiles, and the difference between small bay, flex, and single tenant The three buyer profiles — passive investor, owner-user, and syndication group — with real Denver deal examples How triple net leases work and why tenants pay taxes, insurance, and maintenance Where the 2026 Denver industrial real estate market stands — cap rates, rents, price per square foot, and the 15% ask-to-close gap The value-add playbook — converting gross leases to triple net and recovering expenses landlords have been absorbing for years The three physical features that make a Denver industrial building significantly easier to lease and sell The zoning trap that turns a promising purchase into an expensive mistake If industrial real estate has ever been on your radar but felt too unfamiliar to pursue, this episode is the place to start — and if you’re already looking at the 2026 Denver industrial real estate market, Drew gives you the ground-level data to move with confidence. Watch the YouTube Video https://youtu.be/YNNetKjReDg Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome & Introductions  01:30 – Drew’s Background – Tech consulting to leading North Peak’s industrial team  02:44– What Is Industrial Real Estate? – 2,000 sq ft to million sq ft complexes  03:50 – 3 Buyer Profiles – Passive investors, owner-users, and syndications 05:44 – Stabilized vs. Value-Add – Two main investment strategies  06:58 – What Is Flex Industrial? – Office-to-warehouse ratios explained ' 08:50– Underwriting a Stabilized Deal – 7% cap, 35-40% down, 1.3 DSCR 15:06– How Long Should You Hold? – 5-7 year holds and lease value decay 22:52 – What’s Driving the Price Pullback? – 15% ask-to-close gap, flat rents at $12-13/sq ft  24:22– Value-Add Playbook – Gross to triple net conversions and deferred maintenance  26:56– Lease-Up Timelines – Why deals now take 4-8 months to fill  29:35– Where the Opportunities Are – Yard space, clear heights, and access 35:55 Policy & Market Uncertainty – Why most investors are still holding  40:38– Energize Denver – 30,000 sq ft threshold and compliance fines  41:58– Multifamily Investors Moving to Industrial – Why triple net is winning 43:06 – Advice for Transitioning Investors – Start small-bay multi-tenant, know your zoning  48:15 Risk Tolerance – Matching your investment profile to the right deal 52:20 Zoning Pitfalls – How a change of use can kill a deal  55:42 – How to Reach Drew – 303-917-5232 | drew@northpeakcre.com Connect with our Guests Drew Williams: drew@northpeakcre.com 303-917-5232 Links in Podcast NorthPeakCRE Drew referenced two active North Peak listings during the conversation — both available now in the Denver metro: 3600 S Huron St, Englewood CO 80110 — $1,750,000 8,000 SF brick flex building near the Santa Fe and 285/Hampden junction. Includes a 4,500 SF fenced yard, two drive-in doors, and a new 5-year NNN lease in place. Strong 1031 exchange candidate with long-term redevelopment upside. 2610 S Raritan Circle, Englewood CO 80110 — $9.90/SF 10,200 SF industrial available for lease. 18-foot clears, two drive-in doors, two dock doors, I-2 zoning. Works for an owner-user or investor with a tenant ready to move in. Energize Denver — Check If Your Building Is Covered

Dr. Bharat Sangani is the founder and CEO of Encore Enterprises. They own $2B+ of real estate across multifamily, hospitality, and retail. Connect with Bharat:https://www.bharatsangani.com/ Email Jonathan with comments or suggestions:podcast@thesourcecre.comOr visit the webpage:www.thesourcecre.com*The audio of this podcast is never generated by AI. However, some of the show notes and images may have been generated using AI tools.

In this solo episode, Michael Blank shares the exact moment he pivoted from flipping houses and single-family rentals into multifamily investing—and why it became the single best financial decision of his life. He breaks down the math, the scalability, the risk profile, and the long-term wealth-building power of apartment syndications compared to other strategies like flips, short-term rentals, and pad splits. If you're wondering how to truly scale real estate without burning out, this episode lays it out step by step.Key Takeaways Single-family investing doesn't scale efficiently — replacing income requires dozens of properties and constant effort.Multifamily syndications create multiple profit centers: acquisition fees, asset management fees, cash flow, and equity at sale.You get paid when you buy in multifamily—something no other strategy offers at scale.Professional property management makes multifamily more passive, allowing faster growth with less day-to-day involvement.Risk is reduced through diversification — 100 tenants are safer than one.Long-term housing shortages and declining new construction permits support strong multifamily fundamentals.Connect with MichaelFacebookInstagramYouTubeTikTokResourcesTheFreedomPodcast.com Access the #1 FREE Apartment Investing Course (Apartments 101)Schedule a Free Strategy Session with Michael's Team of AdvisorsExplore Michael's Mentoring ProgramJoin the Nighthawk Equity Investor ClubReview the Podcast on Apple PodcastsSyndicated Deal AnalyzerGet the Book, Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing by Michael BlankFor full episode show notes visit: https://themichaelblank.com/podcasts/session513/

In this deeply personal episode of the podcast, we explore what it really means to break up with comfort—in relationships, careers, and life. After ending a nine-year relationship, Amelia shares how staying “comfortable but stagnant” was like dragging a 250-pound anchor while still building a real estate portfolio.We discuss:How real estate investing became the tool to design an audacious, abundant lifeThe difference between being comfortable vs. stagnantHonoring your intuition in relationships, money, and investing decisionsThe power of female investor communities and support systemsTaking messy action, finding “quick wins,” and living in the solutionThis episode is for women in real estate who feel called to something bigger—but are scared to leave what's “fine.”Follow us on Instagram and share how this episode resonated with you.  Resources:Simplify how you manage your rentals with TurboTenantGet in touch with Envy Investment GroupMake sure your name is on the list to secure your spot in The WIIRE Community Leave us a review on Apple PodcastsLeave us a review on SpotifyJoin our private Facebook CommunityConnect with us on Instagram

August Biniaz is the Co-Founder and Chief Investment Officer of CPI Capital, a real estate private equity firm focused on acquiring and managing multifamily investment properties. In his role, he leads the company's investment strategy, oversees acquisitions and asset management, and works closely with investors to identify opportunities that preserve and grow capital. Through disciplined underwriting and strategic market analysis, he helps guide the firm's portfolio and ensures each investment aligns with long-term investor goals. Before co-founding CPI Capital, August built a diverse background in the real estate industry. He began his career as a real estate agent in British Columbia, gaining hands-on experience in market dynamics and client relationships. He later expanded into property flipping and development, eventually founding White Rhino Developments where he built custom and spec single-family homes. These experiences strengthened his entrepreneurial mindset and deepened his expertise in identifying undervalued real estate opportunities. Today, August plays a key role in growing CPI Capital's investor network and expanding the firm's presence in the private equity real estate space. Since the firm's inception, he has helped lead the acquisition of hundreds of millions of dollars in multifamily assets. In addition to his investment work, he shares insights with the broader investing community through speaking engagements, webinars, newsletters, and as host of the "Real Estate Investing Demystified" podcast.

Portugal has become an unexpected real estate powerhouse in Europe. Arrow Global's John Calvao and CBRE's Francisco Horta e Costa discuss the revival of Portugal's economy, surging investment in hospitality, logistics, data centers and student housing, the resilient Lisbon and Porto office markets and ways to address a chronic housing shortage.* Portugal's economic turnaround has fueled robust real estate opportunities.* Hospitality and logistics lead growth, attracting global capital.* Emerging sectors like data centers and student housing are seeing outsized growth.* Multifamily housing faces persistent supply challenges.* The Lisbon and Porto office markets are exhibiting strong performance.

In this episode of the LSCRE Podcast, Rob Beardsley and Craig McGrouther unpack what's really happening in today's multifamily market - and why chasing “home run” deals may be the fastest way to lose investor trust.After meeting with dozens of investors at the Best Ever Conference, a clear theme emerged: value-add fatigue, rising skepticism around aggressive projections, and a growing demand for certainty over hype.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chapters: 00:00 Intro02:25 Why Value-Add Isn't Working Like It Used To09:08 LSCRE's 2025–2026 Acquisition Strategy12:07 What Makes LSCRE Different15:19 Long-Term Strategy & 1031 Compounding19:33 Why Fund Managers Should Avoid Big Swings23:28 The Case for Longer Hold Periods25:37 Preserve at Copper Springs UpdateTopics covered:• Why high IRR multifamily deals come with hidden downside• The real risk behind “2X projections”• Is the value-add strategy breaking down?• How new supply and concessions are changing apartment investing• The return of cap rate spreads between Class A, B, and C assets• Why investing in A locations beats upgrading C properties• The filtering-up effect happening across multifamily• Why fund managers must prioritize capital preservation• Certainty of execution vs swinging for outsized returnsIn a market where rent growth has cooled and supply has surged, the operators who survive aren't the ones chasing upside — they're the ones protecting investor capital and positioning for long-term durability.If you're a passive investor, capital raiser, or multifamily operator navigating the 2026 cycle, this conversation will reshape how you think about risk, projections, and strategy.

Send a text

John Casmon interviews Mitchell Rice about how he mastered the art of capital raising through door-to-door sales, why analyzing deals is only half the battle, and the importance of building deep relationships with brokers and sellers. Discover how he evaluates deal viability using practical metrics like yield on cost, and why understanding local market nuances is vital even when out-of-state investors want in. Mitchell Rice Current role: Managing Partner, Elkstone Capital Based in: Salt Lake City, Metropolitan Area Where to find them: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchell-rice-8b38b315b/ https://www.elkstonecapitalpartners.com/ Book your free demo today at bill.com/bestever and get a $100 Amazon gift card. Visit ⁠www.tribevestisc.com⁠ for more info. Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to quo.com/BESTEVER  Join the Best Ever Community  The Best Ever Community is live and growing - and we want serious commercial real estate investors like you inside. It's free to join, but you must apply and meet the criteria.  Connect with top operators, LPs, GPs, and more, get real insights, and be part of a curated network built to help you grow. Apply now at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠www.bestevercommunity.com⁠⁠ Podcast production done by⁠ ⁠Outlier Audio⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He's only 20 years old, but Michael Rebelo is already making waves in the multifamily real estate world. In this episode, Michael shares how he and his mom co-founded EverForward Capital Partners and started building a portfolio of over 200 units—all while his peers are still in school. Learn how he capitalizes on in-person networking, raises capital the old-school way, and uses his podcast to grow his investor base. It's an inspiring episode for young entrepreneurs and seasoned investors alike.

Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share!Here's How »Join the Capital Gains Tax Solutions Community today:capitalgainstaxsolutions.comCapital Gains Tax Solutions FacebookCapital Gains Tax Solutions TwitterCapital Gains Tax Solutions Linked In

In this episode of the Real Estate Pros podcast, host Q Edmonds interviews Todd Heitner, a seasoned expert in real estate marketing. Todd shares his journey from helping single-family investors to focusing on multifamily syndicators. He emphasizes the importance of building relationships and networking in the real estate industry, discussing strategies for effective outreach and the significance of professionalism in business. Todd also provides a framework for reaching out to potential partners and highlights the value of follow-up in maintaining connections. The conversation concludes with Todd offering resources for listeners to enhance their networking skills.   Professional Real Estate Investors - How we can help you: Investor Fuel Mastermind:  Learn more about the Investor Fuel Mastermind, including 100% deal financing, massive discounts from vendors and sponsors you're already using, our world class community of over 150 members, and SO much more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/apply   Investor Machine Marketing Partnership:  Are you looking for consistent, high quality lead generation? Investor Machine is America's #1 lead generation service professional investors. Investor Machine provides true 'white glove' support to help you build the perfect marketing plan, then we'll execute it for you…talking and working together on an ongoing basis to help you hit YOUR goals! Learn more here: http://www.investormachine.com   Coaching with Mike Hambright:  Interested in 1 on 1 coaching with Mike Hambright? Mike coaches entrepreneurs looking to level up, build coaching or service based businesses (Mike runs multiple 7 and 8 figure a year businesses), building a coaching program and more. Learn more here: https://investorfuel.com/coachingwithmike   Attend a Vacation/Mastermind Retreat with Mike Hambright: Interested in joining a "mini-mastermind" with Mike and his private clients on an upcoming "Retreat", either at locations like Cabo San Lucas, Napa, Park City ski trip, Yellowstone, or even at Mike's East Texas "Big H Ranch"? Learn more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/retreat   Property Insurance: Join the largest and most investor friendly property insurance provider in 2 minutes. Free to join, and insure all your flips and rentals within minutes! There is NO easier insurance provider on the planet (turn insurance on or off in 1 minute without talking to anyone!), and there's no 15-30% agent mark up through this platform!  Register here: https://myinvestorinsurance.com/   New Real Estate Investors - How we can work together: Investor Fuel Club (Coaching and Deal Partner Community): Looking to kickstart your real estate investing career? Join our one of a kind Coaching Community, Investor Fuel Club, where you'll get trained by some of the best real estate investors in America, and partner with them on deals! You don't need $ for deals…we'll partner with you and hold your hand along the way! Learn More here: http://www.investorfuel.com/club   —--------------------

In this conversation, Dylan Silver interviews Matthew Fornaro, a business law attorney specializing in real estate law. They discuss the increasing regulation in real estate, the importance of legal guidance for investors, and the challenges faced in commercial property transactions. Matthew shares insights on tenant due diligence, the need for proactive legal involvement, and the trends of attorneys investing in real estate. The discussion highlights the complexities of real estate law and the necessity for investors to be well-informed and prepared for potential legal issues.   Professional Real Estate Investors - How we can help you: Investor Fuel Mastermind:  Learn more about the Investor Fuel Mastermind, including 100% deal financing, massive discounts from vendors and sponsors you're already using, our world class community of over 150 members, and SO much more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/apply   Investor Machine Marketing Partnership:  Are you looking for consistent, high quality lead generation? Investor Machine is America's #1 lead generation service professional investors. Investor Machine provides true 'white glove' support to help you build the perfect marketing plan, then we'll execute it for you…talking and working together on an ongoing basis to help you hit YOUR goals! Learn more here: http://www.investormachine.com   Coaching with Mike Hambright:  Interested in 1 on 1 coaching with Mike Hambright? Mike coaches entrepreneurs looking to level up, build coaching or service based businesses (Mike runs multiple 7 and 8 figure a year businesses), building a coaching program and more. Learn more here: https://investorfuel.com/coachingwithmike   Attend a Vacation/Mastermind Retreat with Mike Hambright: Interested in joining a "mini-mastermind" with Mike and his private clients on an upcoming "Retreat", either at locations like Cabo San Lucas, Napa, Park City ski trip, Yellowstone, or even at Mike's East Texas "Big H Ranch"? Learn more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/retreat   Property Insurance: Join the largest and most investor friendly property insurance provider in 2 minutes. Free to join, and insure all your flips and rentals within minutes! There is NO easier insurance provider on the planet (turn insurance on or off in 1 minute without talking to anyone!), and there's no 15-30% agent mark up through this platform!  Register here: https://myinvestorinsurance.com/   New Real Estate Investors - How we can work together: Investor Fuel Club (Coaching and Deal Partner Community): Looking to kickstart your real estate investing career? Join our one of a kind Coaching Community, Investor Fuel Club, where you'll get trained by some of the best real estate investors in America, and partner with them on deals! You don't need $ for deals…we'll partner with you and hold your hand along the way! Learn More here: http://www.investorfuel.com/club   —--------------------

In this episode of the Real Estate Pros podcast, host Micah Johnson interviews Buck Joffrey, a former surgeon turned real estate investor. Buck shares his journey into real estate, discussing the current market landscape, strategies for capitalizing on opportunities, and the importance of education and teamwork in the industry. He emphasizes the cyclical nature of real estate and the potential for significant returns in the coming years, urging listeners to take action now while opportunities are available.   Professional Real Estate Investors - How we can help you: Investor Fuel Mastermind:  Learn more about the Investor Fuel Mastermind, including 100% deal financing, massive discounts from vendors and sponsors you're already using, our world class community of over 150 members, and SO much more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/apply   Investor Machine Marketing Partnership:  Are you looking for consistent, high quality lead generation? Investor Machine is America's #1 lead generation service professional investors. Investor Machine provides true 'white glove' support to help you build the perfect marketing plan, then we'll execute it for you…talking and working together on an ongoing basis to help you hit YOUR goals! Learn more here: http://www.investormachine.com   Coaching with Mike Hambright:  Interested in 1 on 1 coaching with Mike Hambright? Mike coaches entrepreneurs looking to level up, build coaching or service based businesses (Mike runs multiple 7 and 8 figure a year businesses), building a coaching program and more. Learn more here: https://investorfuel.com/coachingwithmike   Attend a Vacation/Mastermind Retreat with Mike Hambright: Interested in joining a "mini-mastermind" with Mike and his private clients on an upcoming "Retreat", either at locations like Cabo San Lucas, Napa, Park City ski trip, Yellowstone, or even at Mike's East Texas "Big H Ranch"? Learn more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/retreat   Property Insurance: Join the largest and most investor friendly property insurance provider in 2 minutes. Free to join, and insure all your flips and rentals within minutes! There is NO easier insurance provider on the planet (turn insurance on or off in 1 minute without talking to anyone!), and there's no 15-30% agent mark up through this platform!  Register here: https://myinvestorinsurance.com/   New Real Estate Investors - How we can work together: Investor Fuel Club (Coaching and Deal Partner Community): Looking to kickstart your real estate investing career? Join our one of a kind Coaching Community, Investor Fuel Club, where you'll get trained by some of the best real estate investors in America, and partner with them on deals! You don't need $ for deals…we'll partner with you and hold your hand along the way! Learn More here: http://www.investorfuel.com/club   —--------------------

Join an active community of RE investors here: https://linktr.ee/gabepetersen

Discover why multifamily real estate has become the new retirement plan for everyday investors—and how redefining risk is the first step toward building a stable, predictable financial future.

The fastest way to stall your apartment investing career is listening to the wrong people.There's a difference between learning from operators and taking advice from peers who've never built what you're trying to build. Most investors don't fail because they lack intelligence. They fail because they follow the wrong models.If you're serious about building this the right way, join the Tribe of Titans multifamily investing community: www.thetribeoftitans.comIn this conversation, we unpack what it really looks like to transition from a technical W-2 career into multifamily ownership — without chasing hype markets, without guessing, and without quitting prematurely. This is about deliberate moves, strategic leverage, and building systems that remove friction from scale.Jason didn't start in a high-growth market. He didn't raise institutional capital on day one. He didn't abandon his job recklessly. He built methodically — and engineered his business the same way he engineered products in his former career.What You'll Learn• Why slow personal savings keeps most investors small • The real constraint behind scaling beyond single-family • How to operate in a flat-growth market without getting crushed • Why systems thinking beats hustle when underwriting deals • The decision filter that separates operators from dabblersYou'll also hear how leveraging mentorship, partnership dynamics, and disciplined market selection allowed him to build a portfolio while still working — and transition out on his own terms.This isn't theory. It's what happens when someone applies engineering discipline to multifamily investing — and refuses to take advice from people who haven't built real scale.Inside the Tribe of Titans, these are the types of conversations that continue — real operators, real deals, real execution. If you're ready to move beyond consuming content and start building with accountability and support, that's where the next step is.About the Guest Jason Williams is the Chief Underwriter at Lorren Capital, LLC, where he helps real estate investors strengthen their underwriting processes to reduce risk and improve deal performance. With a background in engineering and a focus on financial modeling and deal analysis, he supports operators in making data-driven decisions and scaling their portfolios with greater clarity and discipline across multiple markets. Learn more about him at: https://ironcladunderwriting.com/ , or https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonwilliamsphd/About the Host:Brian Briscoe is an apartment operator and founder of Streamline Capital, focused on acquiring and operating multifamily properties in the greater Salt Lake City metro. He hosts the Diary of an Apartment Investor podcast, where he shares real-world operator insights and decision frameworks for aspiring multifamily investors.If this conversation resonated, there's more happening inside the Tribe of Titans. It's where serious investors move beyond surface-level content and into real discussions that drive action. Visit https://www.thetribeoftitans.com/ to learn more.

Patrick Carino shares how he sources ground-up multifamily deals, navigates Northeast development, and built DealNav out of his Excel frustration. The Crexi Podcast connects commercial real estate (CRE) professionals with industry insights built for smart decision-making. In each episode, we explore the latest trends, innovations and opportunities shaping commercial real estate, because we believe knowledge should move at the speed of ambition and every conversation should empower professionals to act with greater clarity and confidence.   In this episode, host Shanti Ryle sits down with Patrick Carino, Vice President of Development at the NRP Group, to discuss the latest trends, insights, and strategies shaping multifamily development across the Northeast. They explore Patrick's unconventional path into real estate — starting with punch lists in high school — through his years at CBRE and into his current role sourcing and executing ground-up developments across New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts. They also delve into Patrick's strategic approach to cold outreach and job hunting, the nuances of buying land that is subject to approvals, and what macro forces are reshaping deal economics today. Patrick also shares the origin story of DealNav, the map-based CRM he built for himself that accidentally became a product — and why he believes a human touch is still best for finding deals. Guest Introduction: Patrick Carino Starting in Real Estate in High School From Spec Homes to Multifamily Leasing Studying Real Estate at UConn Landing at CBRE's New York Institutional Group Learning the Market Through Deal Volume A Strategic Approach to Job Hunting and Cold Outreach How to Stand Out in Networking Conversations The Role Patrick Built at NRP Group Specialist vs. Generalist Models in Development How NRP's Teams Collaborate Across the Deal Lifecycle Deal Sourcing Criteria: Land, Size, and Approvals Buying Subject to Approvals — and Why It Matters Three Ways Patrick Sources Deals What Can Make or Break the Entitlement Process How Rates, Tariffs, and Regulations Affect the Northeast Market-by-Market: New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts What Keeps Patrick Up at Night — and What Excites Him Why Passion and Patience Are Essential in Development The Origin Story of DealNav Building a Simple, Map-Based CRM for Deal Tracking How Twitter Led to an Accidental Product Launch DealNav's Roadmap: Custom Fields, Map Features, and Integrations Why DealNav Doesn't Use AI — and Why That's Intentional Rapid Fire: Investment Picks, Worst Advice, and Parting Wisdom For show notes, past guests, and more CRE content, please check out Crexi's blog.Looking to stay ahead in commercial real estate? Visit Crexi to explore properties, analyze markets, and connect with opportunities nationwide. Follow Crexi:https://www.crexi.com/​ https://www.crexi.com/instagram​ https://www.crexi.com/facebook​ https://www.crexi.com/twitter​ https://www.crexi.com/linkedin​ https://www.youtube.com/crexi

Welcome to the February 19th entry of the Multifamily Collective with Mike Brewer.Today's tip tackles a critical tension in modern operations:Automation can scale your business — but it can't replace judgment.In a world full of smart systems, here's what still matters:Nuance: Automation handles rules. Humans handle gray areas.Discernment: Not every decision should be defaulted to a machine.Responsibility: You can't outsource accountability.Trust but verify: The same principle that applies to people also applies to technology.Ongoing refinement: Set-it-and-forget-it is a myth. The best leaders monitor and adjust.Strong operators understand this: technology should enhance human decision-making, not replace it.The future of multifamily doesn't belong to automation.It belongs to the leaders who know when to override it.And that's where your professional judgment still wins the day.MultifamilyCollective Blog: https://www.multifamilycollective.comThe Daily Collective Book: https://amzn.to/3YI6BDaHosted by: https://www.multifamilymedianetwork.com

Welcome back to another episode of the Multifamily Collective with Mike Brewer!Today's tip takes a swing at one of the most crippling blind spots in property management leadership: confusing urgency with importance.Let's be honest — how many strategic initiatives did you plan at the start of the year… only to watch them vanish under a mountain of “urgent” distractions?Here's what Mike unpacks in this episode:-The hidden cost of always reacting-Why long-term priorities die in the face of short-term noise-How strong operators protect time for things like training, process improvement & team development-The irony of neglecting important work until it becomes an emergency-A simple daily system to keep you focused on what actually moves the needleRemember: Urgency feels productive, but importance builds systems that last. One keeps you spinning. The other makes you unstoppable.This series is building toward a full book release in Spring 2027 — packed with practical wisdom for every multifamily operator. Make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss an entry.

Your team doesn't fail because they don't care. They fail because you broke the rhythm.Strong operations run on a rhythm.Cadence, not urgency.Regular meetings.Consistent reporting.Predictable check-ins.That's not bureaucracy.That's stability in a volatile environment.Cadence reduces cognitive load.People stop guessing.They know when decisions are made.They know when issues get reviewed.They know when priorities reset.When cadence breaks, chaos fills the gaps.And humans fill gaps with stories.Usually bad ones.Usually wrong ones.That's how culture erodes without anyone “doing” anything.When everything feels urgent, nothing is truly important.That's the whack-a-mole manager.Everything is a priority.So nothing gets finished.The team gets worn down.The operator gets reactive.The outcomes get mediocre.What does cadence look like in multifamily operations?It means your team can predict the week.Daily huddle for blockers.Weekly scorecard for KPIs like occupancy, delinquency, traffic, renewal pace, work order aging.Monthly priorities reset tied to NOI, resident experience, and asset plan.Here's the tip you can run today.Pick three outcomes for the day.Not ten tasks.Three outcomes.Do the three.Repeat tomorrow.If something carries over, it earns a slot the next day.That forces trade-offs.That forces focus.Your onsite team doesn't need more motivation.They need fewer competing signals.Cadence is how you give it to them.Build your cadence this week. Put it on the calendar. Protect it like rent roll, because your rhythm is what keeps your team out of chaos.MultifamilyCollective Blog: https://www.multifamilycollective.comThe Daily Collective Book: https://amzn.to/3YI6BDaHosted by: https://www.multifamilymedianetwork.com

Welcome to the Multifamily Collective with Mike Brewer.Today's tip is a powerful reminder that real momentum doesn't come from big, flashy rollouts — it comes from small wins and early involvement.Here's what Mike unpacks:Buy-in can't be demanded — it must be earned through inclusionInvolve your team from the start, not halfway throughLet people shape the change — especially your biggest resistorsShare results — the good, the bad, and the messyForced compliance leads to short-term movement and long-term resistanceOwnership, on the other hand, builds lasting adoptionBonus concept: Slow down to speed up — go slow now, implement fast laterIf you're launching anything new — tech, policy, process — bring your people to the table early.Especially the ones most likely to push back.People support what they help build.And small wins at the front end? They make the big wins possible on the back end.

Welcome back to the Multifamily Collective with Mike Brewer.Today's tip cuts to the core of every failed initiative:Most ideas don't fail because they're bad — they fail because nobody adopts them.Change management is the real work.Mike breaks down what too many leaders overlook:-Adoption fails when the why behind the what isn't clear-Teams resist what they don't understand or weren't part of shaping-Real change is emotional, messy, and built on trust-Technical setup is the easy part — human behavior is the hard part-Leaders must tolerate disruption and support new habits through the “messy middle”Want to implement a new tool, system, or strategy?Don't just “roll it out.”Manage the change. Lead the hearts and minds. Build the trust. And prepare for resistance.Because the path of least resistance — old habits — is always lurking.This isn't soft stuff. It's the real stuff.And it's what separates implementation from transformation.MultifamilyCollective Blog: https://www.multifamilycollective.comThe Daily Collective Book: https://amzn.to/3YI6BDaHosted by: https://www.multifamilymedianetwork.com

In this Q&A episode, Axel answers two timely listener questions that are becoming increasingly relevant for multifamily investors in 2026: when it actually makes sense to bring property management in-house and how artificial intelligence is changing where investors can (and can't) maintain a competitive edge.On the operations side, Axel breaks down the realities of vertical integration, why scale and local presence matter, the foundational hires you should prioritize, and the systems required to avoid turning in-house management into a costly distraction.On the technology side, he explains how AI is rapidly commoditizing underwriting, research, and analysis. As access to data and decision tools becomes universal, investors will need to shift their focus toward execution, operational excellence, and relationship-driven deal flow.This episode is designed to help operators think strategically about where to invest their time, where their real edge will come from, and how to build a business that stays competitive as technology accelerates.Join us as we dive into:When it actually makes sense to bring property management in-houseWhy scale (and local presence) matter before vertical integrationThe foundational hires to prioritize when building an internal teamThe operational infrastructure and software needed to scale successfullyWhy most investors underestimate the complexity of self-managementHow AI is already commoditizing underwriting and researchWhat types of work AI will automate in the near futureWhere your competitive advantage will come from going forwardWhy operational execution and relationships will matter more than everNH Multifamily Fund III Details:Link to the recording for the NH Multifamily Fund IIIAccess the NH Multifamily Fund III deal roomConnect with Axel:Follow him on InstagramConnect with him on LinkedinSubscribe to our YouTube channelLearn more about Aligned Real Estate PartnersAre you looking to invest in real estate, but don't want to deal with the hassle of finding great deals, signing on debt, and managing tenants? Aligned Real Estate Partners provides investment opportunities to passive investors looking for the returns, stability, and tax benefits multifamily real estate offers, but without the work - join our investor club to be notified of future investment opportunities.

Are you wondering if multifamily real estate is still a good investment in 2026? In this episode, Cameron Christiansen and Anthony Faso welcome Robert Pereira, founder and CEO of ARC Multifamily Group. Robert, who started his real estate journey during the 2008 downturn, has grown ARC into a successful multifamily operator with over 3,500 units. He explains why multifamily investments are still attractive despite challenges like inflation, increased construction costs, and rising insurance premiums. With over 20 years of experience, Robert discusses how the fundamentals of multifamily are back on track and why now is a great time for long-term investors. He shares his philosophy on ensuring investor protection, which includes clear business plans, strong communication, and a focus on returning capital. Robert also highlights how markets that were oversupplied a few years ago are now seeing positive leverage opportunities.  Tune in for valuable insights on real estate, investment strategies, and what to look for when choosing a multifamily operator.   In This Episode: - Why multifamily investors feel let down - The impact of rent growth and inflation in real estate - What to be aware of when investing in multifamily - Why multifamily remains a strong investment in 2026 - The lessons learned from the 2017-2021 real estate boom - Vertical integration: Why it's key for multifamily success - Investor protection and growth during tough times  - How ARC evaluates deals in the current market - Debt funds vs. equity deals: The right investment strategy - How ARC protects investors - Multifamily investment limitations    Resources: 

Ari Rastegar attracts large check writers for a diverse array of deals. From industrial to office, land and entitlements, to build to rent and mixed-use. Ari sees his firm as experts and identifying where the trends are going and buying real estate in that path. We touch on a wide ranging list of topics from struggling deals to building a high rise to entitling land. Connect with Ari:https://www.linkedin.com/in/arirastegar/https://rastegarcapital.com/ Email Jonathan with comments or suggestions:podcast@thesourcecre.comOr visit the webpage:www.thesourcecre.com*The audio of this podcast is never generated by AI. However, some of the show notes and images may have been generated using AI tools.

In this episode, Jake and Gino welcome investor Axel Ragnarsson for an in-depth conversation on building and sustaining success in real estate. Axel reflects on his path from small entrepreneurial ventures to owning multifamily properties, underscoring the importance of long-term thinking, disciplined execution, and surrounding yourself with the right people. The discussion covers market shifts, operational efficiency, financing approaches, and how technology is reshaping property management. Axel also shares practical lessons on overcoming today's market challenges, offering actionable guidance for investors at every stage of their journey. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction  01:05 The Shift in Real Estate Investing 03:08 Axel's Journey into Real Estate 05:12 Transitioning from Flipping to Long-Term Investing 09:52 Understanding Deal Criteria and Value-Add Opportunities 13:37 Financing Strategies for Multifamily Properties 18:47 Operational Excellence in Property Management 26:21 The Importance of Exit Strategies 28:56 Challenges in Real Estate Investing 31:01 Wrap-Up and Key Takeaways 55:02 Logo-animation-JG-New Intro-Sanddunes.mp4     We're here to help create real estate entrepreneurs... About Jake & Gino: Jake & Gino are multifamily investors, operators, and owners who have created a vertically integrated real estate company. They control over $350M in assets under management. Connect with Jake & Gino here --> https://jakeandgino.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of the podcast, we interview investor and nurse Miranda Widmeyer about her first ADU (Accessory Dwelling Unit) project in California—turning a used tiny home on wheels into a fully permitted, high-cash-flow rental. Miranda shares how she intentionally bought a property with space for an ADU, used a rent-by-the-room strategy in the main house to cover her mortgage, and then found a $40,000 tiny home on Facebook Marketplace, negotiating creative seller financing to avoid overleveraging.She walks through the realities of being the first person in her city to convert a tiny home into an ADU, including months of back-and-forth with the city, the manufacturer, and engineers to satisfy code, secure plans, and work through Insignia and permitting challenges.Miranda breaks down her actual numbers—including utilities and concrete —and her target rental income, which comes in under budget and beats the 2% rule. She also discusses funding the project with a HELOC and extra hospital shifts, the power of problem-solving and not taking “no” for an answer, and how the WIIRE Community helped her lead her team and push the project across the finish line.  Resources:Get in touch with Miranda WidmeyerGet all the deets on Miranda's Scrubs2Success Community Simplify how you manage your rentals with TurboTenantGet in touch with Envy Investment GroupMake sure your name is on the list to secure your spot in The WIIRE Community Leave us a review on Apple PodcastsLeave us a review on SpotifyJoin our private Facebook CommunityConnect with us on Instagram

Most people think underwriting a multifamily deal means opening a massive spreadsheet, building out ten assumptions, running sensitivity analysis, and toggling IRR scenarios. That's not how I do it. In this episode, I break down the exact 15-minute filter I use before I ever open a full underwriting model. If a deal doesn't survive this fast analysis, it doesn't deserve two hours of my time. I walk through: Price per door and how I benchmark it against current market trades The 1% rule — and why today it's closer to 1.25% How I use a 50% expense ratio as a reality check Back-of-the-napkin cap rate math to estimate true value Why capital required can kill a deal before the numbers do In this business, 99 out of 100 deals won't make sense. The key is learning how to identify them quickly and move on without wasting energy. If you're serious about buying multifamily and want a faster way to analyze opportunities, this episode will sharpen your filter.

When your corporate job feels "secure" until it suddenly isn't, real estate can become the Plan B that turns into your best move…  In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, DoorGrow founder Jason Hull sits down with John Casmon (multifamily syndicator, host of Multifamily Insights, and co-creator of the Midwest Real Estate Networking Summit) to break down how corporate professionals can transition into multifamily investing without becoming a stressed-out landlord. They dive into how John went from corporate bankruptcies to building a multifamily portfolio, what passive investors actually need to know before putting money into a deal, and why trust + clear expectations matter just as much as the numbers.  Jason and John also unpack what this means for property managers: how to align with investor goals, why the best operators project calm control (even in chaos), where syndicators hang out, and how PMs can position themselves to win more multifamily doors.    You'll Learn (00:00) Transforming Property Management: An Introduction  (00:59) John Casmon's Entrepreneurial Journey  (02:56) Transitioning to Multifamily Investing  (04:33) Understanding Investor Types and Property Management  (05:48) The Role of Property Managers  (07:49) Investor Control vs. Trust in Management  (09:33) Challenges in Property Management  (11:17) Aligning Goals with Property Managers  (14:19) The Real Product of Property Management  (17:14) Managing Investor Expectations  (19:50) Syndication: A New Avenue for Property Managers  (23:44) Legal Considerations in Syndication  (26:41) Calmness in Chaos: The Key to Success  (31:40) Partnering with Syndications  (33:54 The Role of Property Management in Syndication  (38:29) Finding Syndicators and Building Relationships  (42:24) Understanding Passive Investment in Syndication  (47:45) Identifying Your Investment Goals  (51:54) Assessing Risk in Real Estate Investments  (55:15) Choosing the Right Market for Investment  (01:00:12) The Three C's of Raising Capital Quotables "The first C is confidence. Confidence comes from preparation." "The investment itself, we got to go out there and execute. But that investor psyche is a completely different game."  "It is not your job to hope. Your job is to analyze the information in front of you and make an informed decision." Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:01) All right, five, four, three, two, one. All right, I'm Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. And for over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses.   We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get into the show. So my guest today, I'm hanging out here with John Casman, a multifamily syndicator, host of the multifamily insights podcast and the co-creator of the Midwest real estate networking summit. And in today's episode, John's going to break down how corporate professionals can transition.   into multifamily investing, how to find the best markets, how to raise capital effectively, and what separates successful operators from everyone else. John, welcome to the DoorGrowth Show.   John Casmon (01:10) Yeah, Jason, thank you for having me. I'm really excited to be here. Love the intro, your intro, not my intro, ⁓ but excited to be here and share as much as we can on our journey to help all of your listeners reach their goals.   Jason Hull (01:22) Cool. So John, ⁓ it's great to have you. I would love for people to hear about your entrepreneurial journey. How did you get to where you are now? And then we can get into your business.   John Casmon (01:34) Well, the short answer is bankruptcy, right? I worked for a couple of different companies that went through bankruptcy and that really made me consider my other options. You know, I was at General Motors back in 2007, 2008, 2009 when we went through bankruptcy and I was there and I watched what that did to a lot of my peers. I one day in particular when we were going to have a lot of layoffs, I went to work as late as I could. But when I got there, I had a red message, a little red dial on your phone.   for anybody who's worked in corporate and remember voicemails. So I had a red dot on my phone, picked it up, pushed the play button and my heart skipped a beat because I thought maybe I was getting to the can, right? And it was actually a colleague of mine who sat kind of kitty corner in front of me and he had been let go. He, you know, was diabetic. He didn't know I was going to pay for his medication. He just was venting in his voicemail. And I just remember feeling empathy for him, but also   a sense of I just never wanted to be in that situation. So it made me really start to think about Plan B. Eventually I moved to Chicago, realized real estate was going to be that path and learned everything I could about investing. So it kind of took me down that pathway to say, you know what, I need a Plan B because no matter what you do, when you work in corporate America, you do not control your future. You know, there's politics, there's policy, there's a lot of different things involved that you do not control.   And sometimes it does just come down to someone not liking you for whatever reason, or they think you're a threat. And I didn't want to spend the rest of my career navigating those issues. So I figured I had to take more into my own hands.   Jason Hull (03:16) got it. And so you start taking things in your own hands and what was the result?   John Casmon (03:20) Yes. So we landed on multifamily investing, started with small multifamily. My first investment was a two unit building. We house hacked it, which is a common popular phrase now. But back then it wasn't quite as common. But we lived upstairs. We rented out the first floor unit and it worked great. You know, it worked so great that we went to refinance and we had created enough equity in that first investment to pull out a six figure line of credit and go out and buy another property. So.   Jason Hull (03:45) Nice.   John Casmon (03:47) That really got the ball rolling. bought a three unit building, we bought an eight unit building, and at this time I'm still working in advertising, still working in corporate America, and I enjoyed what I was doing, and I just had my second child, but the agency I was working for also went through bankruptcy right at this time. We had expanded, we were growing, and we had kind of combined with a few other agencies and kind of became this little conglomerate, and it just eroded just as quickly as it grew.   I remember again, just sitting there and I've got some real estate. I've got a little bit of cashflow, but not enough to pay all my bills. New baby. And I just realized this real estate thing is working, but the exact strategy I'm employing doesn't allow me to insulate myself from these economic changes and shifts. So I had to change my strategy and that led me to syndication. Since then, we've acquired over $150 million worth of apartments.   We've partnered with busy professionals to buy these properties and give them some passive income. And that's what we've been doing ever since.   Jason Hull (04:50) Got it. So your area of genius really is helping these people that were similar to you, they're in the corporate environment transition into being an investor in real estate.   John Casmon (05:01) Yeah, exactly. And I would say too, it doesn't have to be you're going to quit your job and do this full time. And in fact, most people don't, you know, but most people do want a little bit more control over their life. You want a little bit more flexibility. You want to earn and start building up, you know, your net worth. You want to have a little bit more liquidity. You have to look at your investments to say, what should you be doing? I think most people know that their 401k, their, you know, company issued life insurance.   probably not enough to really get you on the fast track to retirement. So what else could you do? Certainly you can invest in the stock market. Lots of folks do that. But real estate is a proven vehicle. The challenge is, I don't know anyone who really wants to be a landlord, right? ⁓ Certainly you want the benefits of real estate investing, but very few of us want to get those 2 a.m. phone calls. So the shortcut there is, ⁓ hire a property manager. Great solution. But now you have to be able to manage   property managers, right, which is this whole other business. And if you don't have enough scale, then it's hard to get that person really focused on your business. So we offer an alternative, right? You get all the benefits of real estate investing, all the ownership perks without any of the headaches of being the landlord yourself. So it really is a great marriage of being in real estate without having to do the heavy lifting yourself.   Jason Hull (06:15) Okay.   Okay, so ⁓ the target audience of this show are property managers. So if they're not gonna use property managers, then what's the alternative? How does this work?   John Casmon (06:29) Well,   first of all, what we do is not always for that individual. So I think that's the key, right? You've got to understand who you are from a psychological standpoint. So when it comes to investors, there's two types of investors. One wants control, right? They're not willing to be passive. And some people think they want to be passive until they're in a passive situation and then they're calling and they want to know why you did this and why you did that and how come you did do that. That's not a passive investor. And that's fun.   Jason Hull (06:45) Yeah.   Yeah, they're anxious. Yeah. Yeah.   John Casmon (06:58) And   if that's you, you should be active, right? And you should work with a property manager, but you also want to work with the property manager who is going to be right for you, right? Because sometimes that is not how they operate. So you want to understand that. And that's a process to understand who you are as an investor, what kind of investment strategy fits you and what's going to be right there. When it comes to property managers, though, I think there are a couple of things. And as a matter of fact, we just left out of meeting with   property management company yesterday. They have 2000 units. We talked about some other services that we offer. And one of things that stood out to me was just understanding some of the challenges that property managers face. And one of them is property managers are really in a position to think like everyone. They're supposed to think like an investor. They're supposed to understand maintenance and kind of the construction arm enough to understand what needs to happen at a property. But they are really little CEOs, right? Because for   Our stuff, the large apartment stuff, those are typically million dollar annual revenue businesses. And this person is in charge of that asset of that business. They are making the day to day decisions. They are the face for the residents, aka the customers of that business. They are the face and their experience with that individual is how they view that business. So it really is an important role. And if you're working with property managers, it's really important to understand how to find the right people.   to connect with them and have them represent your business, your brand, company in the right light.   Jason Hull (08:30) So now you left an open loop that I want to close. So you said there's two types of investors, those that want control and maybe should go find a property manager, you said. And then what's the other type?   John Casmon (08:34) Yeah.   The other type is those who don't want control and they trust someone else to handle that. And for them, there are a couple of different ways of investing. One is investing passively with a group like ours. The other is turnkey investing where again, you hire a property manager, but you really entrust them to manage the property. The only thing I would say for either one of those groups, myself included, is you want to trust but verify. Okay. You've got to do a lot of your due diligence upfront. You want to understand how they operate. You want to talk to   some of their other clients, some of their other investors, because you need to get a really good sense of what to expect. And a lot of people are great at selling themselves upfront, right? I can tell you everything you want to hear upfront. You want to know what is it like once you sign the paperwork? How often are we going to talk? How frequently am I going to get updates? And at what point am I able to weigh in and make decisions? Because if, if you are someone who wants to be more active or be heard, or you've got thoughts and opinions,   Jason Hull (09:18) yeah.   John Casmon (09:35) You want to make sure you have a voice in your investment. Otherwise you may get really disappointed or you may bring on someone who has a different perspective of what that relationship looks like and that never is going to work out.   Jason Hull (09:47) Yeah, there's a big challenge in the industry and that's that most property management companies suck. so most investors that have dealt with property management to some degree are they have some scar tissue, they've been burned a little bit. They've a lot of property managers that started their businesses that come to me for help to grow their business. They started because they were investor and they couldn't find anyone else to manage the property good enough. And that's why they started their business, but it can be a difficult business to run. so none of them start their business saying, I want to suck.   But that's kind of the default unless they get some really good support or figure some things out through a lot of trial and error. And so that's where DoorGrow comes in. We help them with that. But one of the things I coach my clients on a lot is that they need to shift into being daddy over these rental properties. They need to like tell the owner, hey, you need to trust me. And they need to be able to have a really effective business so that they can lean into that trust.   because a lot of people are anxious. They'll come to them with concerns, but generally if a property manager is good, they're much better at this investing stuff than most investors. And they're much better at coordinating maintenance. They're much better at handling leasing. And so when an owner tries to micromanage a property manager, it kind of doesn't make sense to hire somebody to manage your asset just so you can manage them to do the job. And so I think the secret is finding a really good property manager that you can   let go of control because you can trust them. And but yes, you need to verify that they can do the job that you need them to do. And so a good property manager will take ownership of it and they'll take control and they will, they'll display a lot of certainty and confidence in how they communicate and they won't allow you to micromanage them is what I've seen. So.   John Casmon (11:37) Yeah, Jason, and I'll add to it. There's a two way street there. And I think it's easy for people to say, ⁓ most property managers suck or they're not good or whatever. And listen, there's certainly a lot of challenges there. A lot of folks who are not living up to par to the standards. But I will go back to this. We ask property managers to do the work of generally like a CEO. Right. I mean, again, they're managing million dollar businesses in many cases, yet they don't have that training. They don't have that experience. They don't have the ability to navigate.   all of these various things. So part of what owners and investors need to also understand is that you play the role of asset manager. And that means giving clear direction of what success looks like so that that property manager has a framework to make decisions. It's not to micromanage those decisions, but to help them understand how their decisions impact the greater good. And part of that is like, again, just sitting down with annual goals. What are revenue goals? What are our goals on?   Occupancy, what are our goals on in a lot? And this may seem simple, but I promise you a lot of folks don't do this. And if you don't do that, then that property manager is going to default to, for instance, I'll give you a great example. I've got a property manager. She's awesome rock star. But she always gets nervous when occupancy is not at like 96 or 97 percent of this property. So she is, you she starts apologizing profusely and all I did this or done that and like.   Jason Hull (12:58) Yeah.   John Casmon (13:04) Occupancy is one of our KPIs for sure. It's important, but that is not the KPI. I am focused on my net operating income. And if we're going to push rents, the impact of that is you're going to have higher vacancy and she is not comfortable with that. And that's probably because she's used to working with owners who want that thing fully rented and they are comfortable having 100 % occupancy.   Jason Hull (13:13) Yeah.   Hmm.   Yeah.   John Casmon (13:33) if they're leaving 50 bucks, 75 bucks, whatever it is of rent on the table. And that's the part where you've got to really align with your vision versus their vision, because what they have in the back of their mind may not completely align with what you have. Or they have residents in their face who are coming into the office. They want something fixed. They want it done quickly. They want it done right. They want it done yesterday.   Jason Hull (13:49) Right.   .   John Casmon (13:59) So they've got that pressure of this person in their face. So they may go out there and spend the money or authorize the money to get spent. And maybe they're not picking the most cost effective measure. So you have that. And I'll give you one third one. A lot of times when you run into the flip side of that is maybe occupancy is low. They say, hey, we need to increase our marketing spend, right? We got to increase our marketing budget. know, ox is down to 88 or 90%. We got to spend more money. And we're not necessarily.   really zeroing in on what the specific issue or challenge is at that property. So for an owner, your job as an asset manager is to partner with them and to help them see what the options are, help them work through with some of those challenges and solutions are and partner with them to find success. It's not to micromanage them and tell them what to do, but it's really to understand the situation better and give them that perspective.   Jason Hull (14:49) Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. think, you know, one of the things I've seen is that I've noticed a lot of property managers, they make the mistake of thinking that the goal or the product that people want to buy from them is property management. But investors don't wake up in the morning and go, man, I'm so excited to get property management today. The thing that they want. And so the way I describe it to them as they say, property management is like the flight to Hawaii. It's not Hawaii.   and you're trying to sell the flight. That's not the exciting part. You need to figure out what the investor wants, what their goal is. Where do they want to go? What's Hawaii for them, right? What's paradise? And then how do we optimize for that? And how do we help them create a path for that? Because the actual product that a property manager is selling is not what they do. It's not property management. The actual product is them. It's them and their values and their belief system and how they create trust and the team they build and the system and mechanism they build around them.   That's the actual product the property manager is selling. so a lot of property managers make that mistake. They sit there and talk to you about maintenance coordination and leasing and inspections. And meanwhile, you're just wondering as an investor, can I even trust this person? Like do our values align? Yeah. So I don't know what your thoughts are on that, but.   John Casmon (16:11) I think you're spot on, right? Because, I mean, ultimately, as an investor, you are only as good as the team you can build. And that property manager is in charge of the day-to-day aspects of the business. especially when you, you know, I've heard horror stories of folks who have done like turnkey investing, right? Where the property manager, someone owns it, they buy it, they fix it up, and then they rent it back to...   an investor. And I've heard horror stories where that property was not being well managed. And that's the fear. If you're not in that marketing, you can't come and see it. So if you got an out of town investor, you really are trusting that property manager. So that is the most important thing, right? Everything else are tactical, daily situational things that can change. But it comes down to do I have the right people, people that I can trust, people who are going to make the right decision based on the information they have.   because they may not know what I know or maybe something shifted and changed where they would have made a different decision. We can't, you know, ache on that. It really comes down to are they doing their best? Are they making good decisions? If they're not making good decisions, is it because they didn't have the correct information, which again, could fall back on you as the investor to say, hey, are they aware of what your goals are? Are they aware of maybe this situation, these tools, these resources, whatever it is? And that's on you to sit and collaborate.   But trust is absolutely paramount because at end of the day, the thing that I think most of us are concerned with is who we partner with. And there's a great book I'm reading right now. And it gets into decision making and the fear of decision making for most of us and why deals stall. Why didn't you hire somebody? Why didn't you, you know, go with the vendor or go with the contractor or with the company? And the biggest thing is we are scared of making the wrong choice. All of us in decision and no action.   Jason Hull (17:43) Absolutely.   John Casmon (18:04) is better than the wrong action for many people because they once they take action. Well, now they're blaming themselves because you didn't pick the right person. Why did you hire that guy? You should have like now this starts to go on in their head versus doing nothing. Well, at least it's you know, it's not going to get worse, you know, it will in lot of cases get worse. So for a lot of people, that is the scariest thing. So if you can take that fear off the table as far as being the right person or being someone who is trustworthy.   Jason Hull (18:07) Right, yeah.   John Casmon (18:32) everything else gets easier. So if you can do that, that's, you know, the best thing you can do as an investor or as a property manager.   Jason Hull (18:38) Yeah, I agree. think one of things that I talk about a lot is that clarity has to come before action because if you don't have clarity and you start taking a bunch of action, doing stuff, every action you take is a little bit wrong. Sometimes it's a lot wrong. so, yeah, we need to get that clarity first before we start ⁓ making moves. And you talked about, I love the example of your property manager that is trying to   optimize maybe for the wrong thing. They're like, want to optimize to the, making sure their vacancy is super low. But that might not be the goal. That's not the primary goal. The goal is money, you know, and there's a really good book is by Elihu Goldratt. It's a good book for operations people, but it's called The Goal. And spoiler alert, the guy's trying to figure out the goal through this whole book, the story and it's money. That's the secret. The goal is the of the business, should be making making money.   And what happens in this book is that people are over optimizing individual pieces in this flow at this warehouse. And it's actually not helping to make money. It's causing more constraint. And so if we over optimize at one stage, it actually creates waste, bloat, inventory, additional work for the next stage. And so sometimes the best thing certain departments can do is slow down and do less in order to get the outcome to be maximized outcome.   And there's some really great examples in that that I think are really powerful. But I think the if you're optimizing for the wrong thing, then you're not making it effective. So you want to make sure you're optimizing for the right thing. Otherwise. ensues. You get mad at somebody, but nobody understood what the goal was. And so I think, yeah, getting a greed upon set of criteria of what what the outcome is and asking the property manager, can you help me achieve this?   And they know, they know if they know what the problem is, usually they can, they know how to help you get whatever goal that you have. And they know whether your goal is probably realistic or not, because they've helped probably a lot of people do this similarly. And so, but yeah, I think it's very important. Make sure you know, where's Hawaii and maybe property management is the vehicle. Now you had mentioned like, I'm really curious about this idea of, you know, maybe creating syndications.   Some property managers are now starting to think, maybe I should create a syndication. What's your criteria for, what's a good syndication and what are some of the, I'd be really curious to get into if some of the property managers listening were wanting to do kind of a little bit of what you do, how they might be able to get started in that. Like what are the beginning steps to make sure they don't make the mistakes you probably already figured out in the beginning?   John Casmon (21:27) Well, I think the first thing is, you really want to get into it? Right. Because for a lot of people, you got to understand it's a different business. Now you're not talking about real estate investing. You're not talking about property management. You're really talking more about, you know, investment management. You're talking about bringing on private investors who are looking for a return. That is communication skills. That's building up a network and a database of   Jason Hull (21:35) Mm-hmm.   Right, returns.   John Casmon (21:54) prospective investors, it's understanding the return projections that they're looking for. And it's really kind of managing the investor expectations, not necessarily the investment. And to give you a great example here, I had a deal where the investment went great, but it was slightly lower than what we initially projected. And I had an investor who was upset.   Jason Hull (22:07) Yeah.   Yeah.   John Casmon (22:23) about that. And we had communicated all throughout the entire process where things sat and he wasn't too upset, but he still made it a point to let me know, hey, well, this is less than what you initially thought. And that's challenging because the market shifts, right? Anybody who's bought properties in 2022 and beyond knows the market has shifted drastically over the last three or four years. So those projections made in a 2021-22 environment   Have a hard time standing up in a 25 26 environment We still make good money on that deals double-digit returns for investors ⁓ But you know there was that that was that feedback I got from one of the investors conversely We just exited deal a couple months ago, and we completely exceeded our return projections You know we delivered on a almost a 2.7 equity multiple Hit all you know mid 20s on the IRR completely unheard of stuff in this environment   And I have one investor call me and say, hey, John, I just checked my account. Is this right? And I'm like, yeah, it's it's right, man. He's like, my gosh, you guys killed it, man. my. Like, this is amazing. And it's great to hear. But again, that is separate from the investment. Right. Happy to manage the investor expectations and concerns. But that was an up and down investment where we had, you know, a moment where we actually had to put some of our general partner capital into the deal to keep it going.   Jason Hull (23:27) Yeah.   Yeah.   John Casmon (23:48) We have floating rate debt. had to refinance out of that. And we had to kind of rush to do that before rates started to go crazy. We had moments where our construction or renovation costs were much higher than we anticipated. So there are a lot of things that we had to navigate. And I think what happens for a lot of operators, a lot of people who get into syndication, they know the real estate and want to do the real estate, but they do not understand the perspective of the investor. And when you don't communicate to investors on a frequent basis and a clear, transparent nature,   Jason Hull (24:19) Yeah. Yeah.   John Casmon (24:19) They fill in the blanks and   the first concern every investor has and they won't say it. Most of time they don't say it, but I promise you they're thinking it after they make that investment. my gosh, did I make a mistake? Am I going to lose money? Is this person going to run off? Is this going to be some sort of fraudulent thing? Is this deal going to fail? These are all that we're wired like that. This is caveman stuff, right? We're wired to protect ourselves.   Jason Hull (24:36) Hmm.   Right.   John Casmon (24:45) And when you make an investment, and by the way, our investments are typically $50,000 and up, right? So these are not small investments. So when you make that investment, people start to second guess that decision. So my job when it comes to this side of the business is to keep them grounded that, hey, you've done your research, you've made an informed decision, you've picked a good partner, we've done this before. ⁓   Jason Hull (24:50) Yeah. Right.   John Casmon (25:13) And it's really to make sure that they feel comfortable with that decision. It has nothing to do with the investment, right? The investment itself, we got to go out there and execute. But that investor psyche is a completely different game. So first thing I would tell any of your property managers when they get into this business is understand, do you actually like people? Do you want to manage investors? Are you comfortable managing people's money? ⁓ And then beyond that, you have to do it the legal way. There are a lot of regulations around accepting capital from other people.   Jason Hull (25:31) you   John Casmon (25:42) So you can do it as a joint venture. The more common way of doing it, the more accepted way of doing this is by doing a formal syndication, which requires you to file SEC documentations. ⁓ know, there's regulation D and regulation A and there's some couple others, but typically it's going to be reg D 506 B or 506 C filing, which basically is the the structure that allows you to offer ⁓ passive investment opportunity or a security to investors. So again, for some people,   It's overwhelming. they're like, nope, never mind. But for some people, they love it. They want to get into it and they can learn more about that process.   Jason Hull (26:19) Got it. Yeah. I think I love your idea that it's more about managing expectations rather than the investments. And I think, I think that's good advice for all the property managers listing. This is something we spend a lot of time coaching clients on because they think their job is to manage properties. But really, if they're not strong in managing expectations and managing the relationship, it's 10 times to 100 times harder to manage the properties.   their operational costs go through the roof because owners are getting anxious. They're asking more questions. They're getting all these interruptions and calls, tenants, owners constantly. And if they had just managed the relationship and expectations and set strong boundaries at the outset, everybody would feel calmer. And I think really for business owners, I think the thing that really stood out to me that I've been focused on, and this is I've done some personal coaching and this is just nervous system regulation.   If you can, and John, seem like you're pretty chill and pretty calm and I'm sure the investor feel safe with you, which is why you've had success. If you are a person that is anxious and you're running around like a chicken with your head cut off, you're going to have, you're going to struggle in leading anybody, especially in relationships to your spouse and like everybody else. so having a calm, regulated nervous system allows your investors.   to entrain to your nervous system and to feel safer and to calm down. And that's not something you can pretend or you can just fake. You have to be that and they can sense and they can feel that it'll come across in your tone and in your body language and how you communicate. But if you can make sure that you're in that space and that you're able to regulate your own system, you're able to stay calm when other people are coming at you.   and other people are angry and other people are emotionally heightened. And you recognize this isn't really you. It's just that's them. And you can maintain that calm. You will be able to create a lot more safety. And that's really what people want to buy. Most people out there, their primary basic need is safety and security. Most people. That's why they aren't entrepreneurs. That's why they don't go start jobs. That's why they aren't like you and me. And if you're a property management business owner listening to this,   Most people are not like you. They want safety and security. That's why they get a property manager. They want peace of mind. And so, and I'm sure investors in a syndication, they also want some peace of mind because this is a big chunk of change.   John Casmon (28:55) They do. And I will say to most of the property managers I come across thrive in chaos. Right. They're used to stuff getting thrown at them. Right. And when you talk to them and get to know them, you learn very quickly. They like it. They do. They like the fact that they don't know what the day is going to bring. It could be a. Yeah, yeah. Could be a tenant coming with some crazy issue. It could be something from it's never boring and they thrive in it. However.   Jason Hull (29:00) Yeah.   Yeah.   They like the variety and unique challenges that property management brings, for sure.   It's never boring.   John Casmon (29:25) What happens then if you if they're going to look to work with investors and particularly raise capital and kind of do their own syndications, they have to understand that while they may thrive in chaos and uncertainty, most other people want organization. You want everything you said right. You want to have the calmness. You are looking for a captain to steer the ship. And for that part of the personality, they're going to have to tap into a different side of it to demonstrate how they handle chaos.   Jason Hull (29:37) Hmm.   Yeah.   Yeah.   John Casmon (29:54) not that they are chaotic. And I think what happens a lot of times when you're working with property managers is that they don't project that level of control. It just feels like they're reacting. So part of it is that, and they're really, really good ones. The ones who make it to that next level who are the regional managers and get those promotions, well, that's what they do. They manage the chaos and they manage up. They do a great job of telling the owners,   Jason Hull (30:06) Yeah.   Mm.   John Casmon (30:23) the leadership, whoever they need to talk to, they're telling them, hey, here's how here's our process. Here's how we're managing the situation. Here's what's going on. Here's what we're into. Hey, we had a water main burst here. Here's we bought. call three companies. We've got three quotes, but it's calm, right? It can be the worst. I'll give you a real example, right? At a fire, one of my properties and I was going to meet a property manager and I just happened to have a meeting with her that day at the property. She called me.   I was literally about to get in the car. She called me and said, Hey, I just want to let you know we've got a fire going on at the property. I'm not sure if you still want to meet. You're happy to come. We already have, you know, the fire department's here. They're they're putting the fire out right now. We already have another company that's coming in. They're going to walk through the damages once this is kind of settled. And I've already talked to the residents. Residents are good. We've got them hotels for the evening. We've checked with insurance. This is covered in your policy. So they're good to go. So you're happy to come down and talk and all of that if you want to.   Or we can let things settle down and maybe we can meet next week. This is a fire, right? This is like a scary situation. She called me.   Jason Hull (31:26) Right. A literal fire. Yeah. And there's plenty of fires   in managing properties. The literal ones.   John Casmon (31:33) Her calmness, she was so calm. Not only was   she calm, she had handled 90 % of it, right? It was the stuff you could handle in the moment. She handled it. So was like, hey, I don't think it makes sense for me to because I'm probably just going to add more anxiety to the situation at this point, right? It seems like you've got it under control. Why don't we let things settle, literally let the dust settle? And then once it's there, I'll come down. We can assess the damages, figure out what else needs to happen, what other next steps need to take place, right?   Jason Hull (31:41) Yeah? huh.   question. Yeah.   John Casmon (32:03) but had it handled like a rock star. Now, a lot of other folks would have saw the flames, called immediately, my God, there's a fire. ⁓ my God, what are we gonna do? So now you freaking out, everyone's freaking out, no one's controlling the situation, right? So now everyone's mind is just spinning and going. it does really take, kind of go back to where we started the conversation, that mindset of someone who was the boss, who was leading.   Jason Hull (32:05) Yeah, I love that.   Yeah. Freaking out. Yeah.   Hmm. Yeah.   John Casmon (32:32) who is going to take charge, even though it's not their property, they're going to take charge. Here's what needs to happen next. Maybe you have an emergency response plan already put in place, but you have these things already scheduled and ready to go. So when they happen, you're not shocked. You're not surprised. You're not asking questions that maybe you should have figured out upfront. And that's what a great property manager does. And if you convey that to owners, you're going to stand out above and beyond your competition because most people cannot convey that level of control, the level of   planning and the level of expertise that it takes to truly and effectively manage properties from the front, being proactive as opposed to just reacting to whatever the issue of the day is.   Jason Hull (33:13) Got it, okay. So ⁓ I'm reading, I just read, well, I didn't just read. I read in the past a really great book called Extreme Ownership. Really good book. Yeah, phenomenal book. ⁓ I'm going through their newer book, which I think is even better, called The Dichotomy of Leadership. leadership is what we're talking about right now, is that that,   John Casmon (33:23) Yeah, I think I got it like right here. It is right there.   Absolutely.   Jason Hull (33:38) creates a huge impact and there's a lot of misunderstandings of what leadership is, like it's control or it's being aggressive or, but yeah, it's really that calm presence of letting people know I've got it. Like we can take care of this. We've got a plan and staying regulated and calm. So I love that. ⁓ have a, so another question I have is how can the property managers listen to this? How could they maybe target or partner   with, if possible, syndications like you, like people that are doing what you're doing. Is there a chance that they could be a resource or do most syndications just in-house and do, they are a property management business?   John Casmon (34:19) No, no, most ⁓ most that I know work with third party manager companies. So I would say first and foremost, if you and syndications, I mean, it sounds like a big, huge, fancy word. But I mean, honestly, anytime you work with passive investors is technically a syndication. So it really comes down to figuring out who is looking for third party management and whether or not it's technically a syndication or not is really irrelevant. You want someone who is going to be managing or owning the property.   Jason Hull (34:24) Okay.   Yeah.   John Casmon (34:49) They want third party, but you have to understand their plan, going back to understanding the goals, right? Most syndications are looking to sell in a three to seven year timeframe, typically five to seven years. Most buy and hold owners have not decided or have not identified their exit strategy. So that's probably the biggest difference is when you have, let's just call it an individual investor or maybe it's a   Jason Hull (35:01) Okay.   Right.   John Casmon (35:17) a family or whatever that's buying and they want a third party manager, they don't know the exit. They haven't predetermined that they're going to sell in five years. So they are buying and holding it. And that goes back to the the I think the separation of understanding the objective, because for that person, having a full property is great. It means they're maximizing the revenue potential today. When you are syndicating.   most syndicators already assume 5 % vacancy. That's that's in everyone's underwriting. So you being at 100, they won't even give you credit banks don't even give you credit for it. So all of these things are already assumed. So for us to be above that is actually a miss, because it means we're not being as aggressive on the rent. So just understanding the mindset of a syndicator, which is they are looking to sell typically they're looking to double their money over a five or six year period. So how can you create value?   And that's something most property managers don't fully understand. But I would sit and I would talk to that syndicator. And if you want to be a syndicator or partners, not just be a third party vendor, but you actually want a partner, which we have seen a lot of folks look to do. You want to figure out how you can bring value to the table, because now we are aligning your interest with that syndicators interest. And now you've got a great partnership.   because every syndicator is going to need property management and they're going to need construction management to drive value. So if they can bring those people in as partners, that's a great opportunity for you. And if you're a property manager, you may have phenomenal relationships. You may already have contractor or the vendor partners that you trust in that marketplace. And if you could then take that and get a slice of the equity, that makes you very valuable for both sides.   Jason Hull (37:08) Do syndications, do they also need investors in capital or do most of them have that, are they really good at that? Okay.   John Casmon (37:15) Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   mean, I mean, syndication at its core really just comes down to the need of capital. If someone had the capital themselves, they would probably just buy it directly and not go through the process of syndication. Because the syndication is literally just raising the money from passive investors. And in that scenario, again, being able to manage that, manage the communication, ⁓ that's really what a syndication truly is.   Jason Hull (37:42) So a really good property management partner could bring property management, some of the construction elements and investors and capital to the table. So it could be a nice little.   John Casmon (37:51) That would be amazing.   I'll be honest, man. That's because I don't want your listeners sitting here like, oh, I don't have one of those. I don't know if I've ever met one that had all of those. If you do have all of them, yes, you should consider syndicating yourself because you got all the pieces to the puzzle. Typically, what happens is a property manager has the property managers. I'll give you a great example. I got a 54 unit down in North Carolina. OK, so I came in as a key principal. I've got a.   Jason Hull (38:03) Okay.   Okay.   John Casmon (38:20) to my coaching clients. It's his property that he found. He asked me to come help him with the loan, which I did. One of the members, one of the partners is the property manager. So that's kind of their role to the table is they're managing the property. That's what they kind of came on. They had a couple of relationships, but their main role is the asset and property management side of it. So that's a great way to come to the table. But. Just like anything else in business.   Jason Hull (38:33) Mm-hmm.   John Casmon (38:49) It's very hard to find someone who checks every single box. I mean, that's like finding the marketer who's a CMO, who's also the CFO, who's also the COO, who's also the chief of human resource. very like no one, people don't really have like top notch excellent skills at every single one of those, right? Like you might be great at business, great at sales, great at marketing. You're probably terrible at finance, right? Like you just, you just forget to do your expense report type person, right? So it's hard to find someone who's   checks all those boxes. And I think typically when comes to property management, you want someone who's great with people, can resolve issues, but also has to be somewhat, you know, sufficient when it comes to the numbers, tracking all the data, tracking all the, you know, the rent roll, the leases, the income and expense statements, things like that. So usually they're not going to do every single box. But again, if you can find someone or that's where partnerships make sense.   Jason Hull (39:24) Mm-hmm.   John Casmon (39:43) If you've got that awesome. And again, I'm not saying a company doesn't have that. I'm just saying a single individual doesn't, which is why it's great to partner. If you can find someone who maybe brings a set of skills that you don't have, whether they're joining you in your property management business or they're partnering up where you're bringing your property management skills to the table with their investing or their networking skills, that makes for a good partnership.   Jason Hull (39:43) Mm-hmm.   Yeah, I got it. Well, we've got several clients, you know, all over the U S that are really good at property management. They're really good at handling the maintenance stuff and they obviously have a pool of investors as clients and, and, know, and they know that they can't do everything. So we coach them in making sure that they would do time studies. They figure out which, what their purpose is. We start to align them towards more fulfillment, more freedom, more contribution and more support in their business.   John Casmon (40:32) Yeah.   Jason Hull (40:38) And they start to build the right team. So they're getting operators, they're getting BDMs, they're getting the things they're not like strong in. And so we just make healthier businesses. So for those of maybe my clients listening that have healthy property management companies. And, but they don't want to do syndication. They're just like, man, that's a whole nother business. If I stay in my lane, I can grow that faster. How do they find syndicates? Like, how do they find people like you? Cause you've got a lot of properties connected to you.   and they would probably love to chat with somebody like you. Where do you syndicate people hang out? What's the title? Who runs a syndicate? What are they called? Do they have a specific title?   John Casmon (41:15) You   Yeah.   Yeah, great. Great question. Multifamily syndicator is is kind of the name just syndicator. We're all over. So I've got a podcast called Multifamily Insights. I interview like minded individuals. I've been doing that for a long time. We've done our seven hundred and seventy plus episode. So lots of people, lots of syndicators there. Definitely conferences. So if you look up any multifamily conference in your city.   Jason Hull (41:25) Okay.   Nice.   Okay.   John Casmon (41:46) meetups, lot of meetups in different cities as well. Those are great places to find syndicators. I think the biggest thing though is this.   Figure out who your avatar is. Because while we're talking about syndicators, ultimately, if you want to scale your property management business, I presume you're trying to scale with folks who are looking for third party management and the best option for that. OK, and let me back up. had one of the guests out of a podcast some years back, ⁓ Ashley Wilson. Love Ashley. As you said, something really changed when I thought about the business.   And she said the best way to find any vendor, any vendor is to figure out who relies on that vendor next and ask them for referral. So if you think about it, if you want a great drywall person, ask a painter. A painter is going to know who's great at drywall because they're going to know who makes their job easy and they can come in and just start painting versus a drywall guy who maybe doesn't, you know, you know.   Jason Hull (42:38) I like it.   John Casmon (42:55) mud the drywall properly or doesn't sand it down. So they got to do all this extra work before they start their process. Right. So a painter is going to know a great drywall guy. And in this case, it's really hard on ⁓ the property manager because you guys are the ones who do the work. But if you are looking for syndicators, OK, well syndicators, person who buys the deal. Well, who sells the deal? A broker. Find brokers. Go to a broker, commercial multifamily broker and ask them, hey,   Jason Hull (43:01) I love this.   Yeah.   John Casmon (43:25) Do you know some groups or you have properties that you're going to list? Here are the kind of deals we want to do now on the flip side of that. You got to be good at your job, right? You got to sell yourself and share what you do. So if you've got a great track record, a great resume, showcase that, bring that broker through and let them know, hey, we're looking to scale our property management business here. Here are the kind of assets that we want to manage. If you come across any of these that you're going to list, would you mind keeping our main name out there or referring us or giving us introductions to any of those buyers?   Jason Hull (43:53) Yeah.   John Casmon (43:54) so that we can throw our hat in the running to manage these properties. That's a phenomenal way to do that. And it allows you to shine and expand your relationships in your core networks and in your core markets.   Jason Hull (44:06) Brilliant. think I love the, I love Ashley's idea that you shared, you know, the drywall. Yeah. The painters, like they don't want to be painting over a crappy drywall. They're like, this is a mess. Like this doesn't even look good in my job. Now I'm going to look bad. Yeah. So the brokers know who maybe those best syndicators are. And so they could just go to the brokers and say, Hey, who's, who's doing deals like this? Who who's got things going on? Like who could you connect me with?   And I avoid maybe.   John Casmon (44:36) And on top of that, keep in mind, too, like what   are the times when? Yeah, but think about to like when is a property hiring or bringing on a new property manager? Right. So it's either a current owners firing the existing property manager or the property is being sold. Right. So, I mean, if you can get in during that transition phase, that's going to help you tremendously. And if even if they're firing their existing property manager, you can think through, OK, how do I?   Jason Hull (44:51) Yeah. Yeah.   John Casmon (45:06) work myself and get my name out there. And a lot of times, again, you're going to ask, right? You're going to ask other investors. If I were going through that process, I'm going to call my buddies into space, right? And say, hey, man, having a hard time, my current PM is not working out or we're not hitting our objectives, looking at some other options. Do you have any experience with these guys? What do you know about these guys? Or do you have anybody you could recommend? It's word of mouth, right? So that's what's going to start happening as well. So you kind of have to get out there and network and let folks know who you are, what you do. But you want to be someone who   people can say, yeah, these guys are amazing. You know, they, they only had an eight unit, but they crushed my eight unit for me. I'm sure they kill your 25 unit or your 50 unit. And you've got to start building that rapport and building your reputation in your market.   Jason Hull (45:44) Yeah.   Nice. This is good advice, my friend. So, cool. For those that maybe are investors listening to this show, ⁓ I'd love to hear a little bit about what you do, how you do run your syndication, and how they can ⁓ make things more passive, if that's what they're looking   John Casmon (46:08) Yeah, man. So there are lots of different ways to get in. If you are looking to be more passive, ⁓ high level, here's how it works. OK, so first and foremost, me and my team would go out. We look for the deals. We focus on a really tight radius. So we're in Cincinnati. We like Cincinnati, Columbus, Louisville, Kentucky. Really a two hour radius of the Cincinnati market is where we focus. And right now we actually think there's more opportunities locally. So we're really honed in on Cincinnati right now. But we focus on that once we find a deal.   We reach out to folks in our network. So we have folks in our investor list. ⁓ Once they're on our list, we kind of have a quick vetting process and then we can share opportunities with them. Once they see that opportunity, they get a chance to review it. We like to have a webinar where we answer any questions about the deal. I think for new investors, it's a great way to learn because we have a lot of experienced investors who ask very intelligent, thoughtful questions that   Many first time investors probably would not even think of. And that's a great way to learn, right? And ultimately when it comes to this space, it's really about education. know, it's educating yourself, understanding how you think about risk, how you mitigate risk in your investment choices. And those webinars are a great chance for you to learn about that the first time. Once you've done that, you can go ahead and fill out our official paperwork with our SEC documents.   Jason Hull (47:30) Mm-hmm.   John Casmon (47:30) And then   once you're through there, you can make the investment. But the first thing is just to get on our list, you can have access to the deals. And before you do that, we've actually put together a guide that can help people because I found that when I have these calls, people don't ask great questions. Sometimes they do. But I want to make sure that you are informed and well educated because this is a big investment. You know, this is not a 599 thing. And if it doesn't work out, OK, well, I just wasted six bucks. No.   Jason Hull (47:54) .   John Casmon (47:59) We're asking you to make a pretty large investment, whether it's with us or with others. If that's what you're looking to do, I want to make sure you're well informed. So we put together a guide. It's seven questions you must ask before investing in apartments. You can get that on our website. It's casmancapital.com slash seven questions, but it gets into questions around the market itself, the operating team, what you should be looking for, the deal. What is the story of this property? What's the business plan? And it helps you identify different levels of risk because the reality is   Anything can work, but you want to mitigate risk as much as possible, particularly when you're a passive investor, because you are basically saying, I'm trusting these people to find the right deal and execute. And you want to make sure that you are finding and identifying the right individuals who have a proven track record doing the thing that they are asking to do. When I hear about people losing money in real estate. At least 50, if not 70 % of the time.   Jason Hull (48:35) Hmm.   John Casmon (48:57) It is someone doing something for the first time. It is the first time in the market, first time doing this kind of deal, first time doing this kind of business plan. And. I can't tell you how frustrating it is because it's a big red flag, and it's not to say they can't do it and can't have success. But if it's your first time, I want to see how you're mitigating that right. You want to partner with someone who does have the experience you want. Like there are lot of things that you can do to put the odds in your favor. And when you're a passive investor.   Jason Hull (48:59) Mm, yeah.   John Casmon (49:26) It is not your job to hope. Your job is to analyze the information in front of you and make an informed decision. So this guide can help you do that.   Jason Hull (49:34) Yeah, love it. I'm going to run a quick word from our sponsor real quick. Our sponsor for this episode is Vendero. And many of you tell me that property management maintenance is probably the least enjoyable part of being a property manager and definitely the most time consuming. But what if you could cut that workload by up to 85 percent? That's exactly what Vendero has achieved. So they leverage cutting edge AI technology to handle nearly all your maintenance tasks from initiating work orders.   Troubleshooting, coordinating with vendors and reporting. This AI doesn't just automate, it becomes your ideal employee. Learning your preferences, executing tasks flawlessly and never needing a day off and never quitting. This frees you up to focus on the critical tasks that really move the needle for your business, whether that's refining operations, expanding your portfolio or even just taking a well-deserved break. Don't let maintenance drag you down. Step up your property management game with Vendero. Visit vendero.ai slash door grow today and make this the last maintenance hire you'll ever need.   All right, so John, this is super helpful. love you've got your list. ⁓ You got your webinar, you've got your guide. I would recommend property managers listening to this. If they're curious about the world of syndication, that they start getting into your stuff and seeing how an expert like you is doing this and maybe even get involved in some of the deals with you or something might be a good idea. And they can kind of get a feel for how this works. And then maybe they'll say, I don't want to do what John does.   And I'll just find people that do, but they'll at least understand how they could partner with people like that. then, or they may decide, you know what? John's clever, but I'm clever too. I might be able to figure out how to do this too. And maybe they'll do it too. And, but I think there's a solid opportunity for property managers that want to be in the multifamily space and do multifamily management to find third party people that are doing these syndication deals. They need good property managers and property managers want more doors and they want to grow.   And if you don't, because your business sucks and it's uncomfortable, then reach out to me. I'll help you out. We'll get you dialed in. But ⁓ John, what else would you say to the investors that are maybe they're familiar with this and they've done some real estate investing and they've worked with some syndications ⁓ and they get on your list to do the webinar. What would you say to them next?   John Casmon (51:56) Yeah, I think the biggest thing is understand what you're looking for. You know, I think one of the biggest challenges for investors is when you can't pull the trigger, it's typically because you haven't figured out what you're solving for. Are you looking for passive income? So you're just looking for a cash flow? Are you looking for long term wealth appreciation? Are you looking for tax benefits and to reduce kind of your tax liability? Do just want to diversify? Maybe you got feel like you have too much in a stock market, just like we put something somewhere else. So.   Figure out what you're actually solving for. Understand your risk tolerance, you know, because every deal is different. In our case, we do value add B class deals. That's a fancy way of just saying we like properties that already making money that are solid, solid tenant based. Think of when I say B class, I'm thinking of all stuff that was built maybe 30 years ago, maybe 40, maybe 20 years ago. Stuff that.   your teachers, your firefighters, your police officers, places where they might rent. So desirable locations, not luxury, not super high end, not, you know, super courts, everything. ⁓ But, you know, places that you would want your kid, your kid was in college, places you would be fine with your kid living, right? So you're thinking about that stuff. That's, you know, I don't say affordable stuff. That's not crazy price. So that's kind of what we focus on.   Jason Hull (53:15) So would   that be like, is that how you find the best markets then?   John Casmon (53:21) That's part of it. That's our strategy. There are different strategies that people utilize. I have found for us that is a sweet spot where we can take those kind of assets, modernize them and create value for potential renters. Some people like to focus only on they call it core plus right where they're buying newer stuff, stuff built five years ago or three years ago. And maybe it was, you know, leased up and they're just going to go in and hold it longer. You'll find other ways to add more money through amenities.   Jason Hull (53:35) Okay.   John Casmon (53:50) So some people do that strategy. Some people like older properties where they're buying more distressed or much older properties and are trying to fully renovate them and bring them up. There are strategies out there, something like new construction, stuff that doesn't exist. They want to build from the ground up. So it really comes down to you. Every investing strategy has a different level of risk. This has nothing to with real estate, right? This is investing in general. you're buying, you know, know, value stocks versus growth stocks versus Internet, it's the same stuff, right?   So you just have to figure out your level of risk. We like value at B-class multifamily deals. Once you understand your level of risk and balance that with your return expectations or projections, that's when you can figure out which investments actually make sense. You know, I have some folks who they like to invest in what we call trophy assets. And...   They may not know that right away, but when you send them a couple of deals and they look at the property like, ⁓ it's okay. They want something. They want something they can brag about. They want to drive you by like, see that building over there? That's me. And if that's fine, if that's what you want, understand what comes with that, right? That's going to be a lower term, right? Because these are, there's not much value to create, right? You've got a brand new property. It's A class, rents are $2,500. There's not a whole lot you can do there. And because of that,   Jason Hull (54:49) Yeah, they don't want to show that off. Look what I'm connecting.   OK, right.   Thank   Yeah.   John Casmon (55:13) There's not as much risk. So you're going to get less return because there's less risk. That's fun. Some people want to maximize their return, right? Hey, I don't need this money. I want to let it ride for 20 years. So they might want to do new construction or they might want to do a deep discount, highly distressed vacant property that needs, you know, $50,000 per unit to renovate it and turn around because the upside is there. So it just depends on that investor and your level of risk. Right. And most of us fall somewhere in the middle.   Jason Hull (55:27) Thank   John Casmon (55:43) which is kind of our strategy. figure out your level of risk tolerance, what you're looking for. And sometimes you don't know until you start looking at a Because you might think you're a cashflow person until I show you what cash flows. And you're like, oh, no, I don't want to be in that de

Matt Faircloth interviews Dwight Dunton, founder of Bonaventure, who shares lessons from building a 10,000-unit multifamily portfolio and investing through multiple market cycles since 1999. He explains why multifamily remains resilient during downturns, emphasizing that housing is an essential need and long-term success depends on financing assets with fixed-rate, long-term debt to survive economic volatility. Dwight also discusses how emotional decision-making can hurt investors, encouraging rational analysis when deciding whether to hold or sell distressed assets. He highlights opportunities emerging from declining new construction starts, constrained supply, and value-add renovations, along with long-term growth potential in senior housing driven by demographic trends. Dwight DuntonCurrent role: Founder, BonaventureBased in: Alexandria, VirginiaSay hi to them at: https://www.bonaventure.com/ Book your free demo today at bill.com/bestever and get a $100 Amazon gift card. Visit ⁠www.tribevestisc.com⁠ for more info. Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to quo.com/BESTEVER  Join the Best Ever Community  The Best Ever Community is live and growing - and we want serious commercial real estate investors like you inside. It's free to join, but you must apply and meet the criteria.  Connect with top operators, LPs, GPs, and more, get real insights, and be part of a curated network built to help you grow. Apply now at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠www.bestevercommunity.com⁠⁠ Podcast production done by⁠ ⁠Outlier Audio⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Single-family vs. multifamily rental properties—which gets you to financial freedom faster? A rookie real estate investor is wondering what he should do for his first rental property. Multifamily rentals can help you scale faster and have more cash flow, but single-family rentals mean fewer tenants (and fewer headaches) with less management. Dave and Henry have invested in both and have a clear answer for which is the winner. We're back answering your questions from the BiggerPockets Forums. First, single-family vs. multifamily—if you're starting in real estate right now, there's one clear choice. Next, a young landlord just inherited a tenant who's paying 50% below-market rent. Should he raise the rent and risk losing a 12-year tenant, or follow a much more “reasonable” strategy to get them to stay and pay a fairer price? BRRRRing vs. house-flipping: let's say you have $100,000 ready to invest, which option gives you a higher return? BRRRRing (buy, rehab, rent, refinance, repeat) means you'll have a long-term rental after the rehab, but is a flip worth it for the instant payout? And finally, we do the thing you never expected BiggerPockets to do…we tell someone not to house hack (but here's why). In This Episode We Cover Single-family vs. multifamily rentals, and which Dave and Henry would almost always prefer  BRRRRing vs. flipping houses: which is lower risk in today's housing market? Who should not house hack, and what you should do instead with your money Raising rents on inherited tenants: the “stair-step” strategy that Henry uses  And So Much More! Check out more resources from this show on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BiggerPockets.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-1241 Interested in learning more about today's sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠advertise@biggerpockets.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices