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2 episodes with kayleigh clark
2 episodes with kayleigh clark
The pastors' wives chat with Kayleigh Clark, Kayleigh is an ordained elder in the Free Methodist Church and a ThD candidate at Kairos University. Her current dissertation research seeks to identify the impact of collective trauma on congregational health and flourishing. She is the founder and director of Restor(y) a resourcing, training, and consulting ministry dedicated to partnering with local churches on the journey towards healing. In this episode, she offers wisdom in dealing with both collective trauma and secondary trauma in the church and the unique challenges faced by after pastors (the technical term for pastors who serve after a pastor was removed for misconduct.) To purchase the BOOK, head here: https://pastorswivestellall.com/book To shop our MERCH, head here: https://pastorswivestellall.com/shop Want to support the Pastors' Wives Tell All podcast ministry? Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/pastorswivestellall SUBSCRIBE: Sign up for our email list and receive updates on new episodes, free gifts, and all the fun! Email sign up HERE! CONTACT US: hello@pastorswivestellall.com FOLLOW US: Website: pastorswivestellall.com Instagram: @pastorswivestellall Facebook: @pastorswivestellall JESSICA: Instagram: @jessica_taylor_83, @come_away_missions, @do_good_project__ Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions JENNA: Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign Website: Jenna Allen Design STEPHANIE: Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert Facebook: I Literally LOL Website: Stephanie Gilbert
Guest Bios Show Transcript https://youtu.be/g3j3C25thlcMuch research has been done to address individual trauma. But what happens when trauma is collective—when an entire congregation, for example, is betrayed by a pastor they trusted? In this edition of The Roys Report, Kayleigh Clark, a pastor and a pastor's kid, discusses the impact of communal suffering, which church leaders often overlook. Kayleigh, a doctoral student at Kairos University, is completing her dissertation on congregational collective trauma and paths towards healing and restoration. And what she's learned is ground-breaking for churches that have experienced pastoral abandonment or moral failure and are struggling to recover. As was explained in the popular book, The Body Keeps the Score, unhealed trauma—if unaddressed—will manifest itself as physical and psychological ailments in our bodies. Likewise, unaddressed trauma in the Body of Christ will also manifest as corporate dysfunction and pain. But as Kayleigh explains in this eye-opening podcast, this doesn't have to be the case. Healing is available. But it requires congregants and spiritual leaders who understand trauma and don't try to charge forward before the congregation has healed. Given all the unhealed trauma in the church, this is such a relevant and important podcast. It's also one that discusses dynamics Julie knows all too well, as someone who's in a church with others who've experienced deep church hurt. She discusses her own experience in the podcast, which could be a prime case study. Guests Kayleigh Clark Kayleigh Clark is founder and director of Restor(y), which exists to journey with churches on the hope-filled path of healing and restoration. She completed a Master of Divinity at Northeastern Seminary and is currently a Th.D. Candidate at Kairos University with a focus on the interplay between psychology and theology. Kayleigh and her husband, Nate, love exploring the outdoors with their son near their home in Rochester, New York. Learn more about Restor(y) online. Show Transcript [00:00:00] Julie: Much research has been done to address individual trauma, but what happens when trauma is collective? When an entire congregation, for example, is betrayed by a pastor they trusted. According to my guest today, the impact of communal suffering is often overlooked, but the body of Christ keeps score. [00:00:22] Julie: Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys. And joining me today is Kaylee Clark, a pastor and a pastor’s kid who’s well acquainted with the beauty, joy, pain, and heartache that exists within the church. Kaylee also is a doctoral student at Kairos University, and her dissertation work focuses on congregational collective trauma and paths towards healing and restoration. [00:00:50] Julie: She also is the director of ReStory, a ministry to help churches heal and embody the hope of Jesus, especially after experiencing a devastating loss or betrayal. I had the pleasure of meeting Kaylee about a week ago, and I was so excited by her insights and the work that she’s doing that I was like, you have to come on my podcast. [00:01:10] Julie: So I am thrilled that she can join me today, and I know you’re going to be blessed by this podcast. I’ll get to my interview with Kaylee in just a minute, but first, I’d like to thank the sponsors of this podcast, the Restore Conference and Mark Horta Barrington. If you’re someone who’s experienced church hurt or abuse, there are few places you can go to pursue healing. [00:01:30] Julie: So, Similarly, if you’re an advocate, counselor, or pastor, there are a few conferences designed to equip you to minister to people traumatized in the church. But the Restore Conference, this February 7th and 8th in Phoenix, Arizona, is designed to do just that. Joining us will be leading abuse survivor advocates like Mary DeMuth and Dr. [00:01:50] Julie: David Pooler An expert in adult clergy sexual abuse. Also joining us will be Scott McKnight, author of A Church Called Toe, Diane Langberg, a psychologist and trauma expert, yours truly, and more. For more information, just go to Restore2025. com. That’s Restore2025. com. Also, if you’re looking for a quality new or used car, I highly recommend my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. [00:02:17] Julie: Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity, and transparency. That’s because the owners there, Dan and Kurt Marquardt are men of integrity. To check them out, just go to buyacar123. com. [00:02:37] Julie: Well, again, joining me today is Kaylee Clark, a pastor and doctoral student who’s studying congregational collective trauma and the paths to healing and restoration. She’s also the founder of Restoree and she’s a wife and mother of a beautiful baby boy. So Kaylee, welcome. It’s just such a pleasure to have you. [00:02:56] Kayleigh: Thank you. Thank you for having me. It’s an honor and a pleasure to be with you today. [00:03:00] Julie: Well, I am just thrilled to have you on our podcast and I mentioned this in the open, but We talked last week and I was just like, Oh my word, everything that you’re doing, your work is so important. And it’s so where I’m living right now. [00:03:15] Julie: And I know a lot of our listeners are living as well. And so I’m thrilled about it. But as you mentioned, your work is, is unique. We’re going to get into that, but I am just curious, this whole idea, collective trauma, you know, ministering. To the church. How did you get interested in this work? [00:03:33] Kayleigh: Sure. Um, so I am fourth generation clergy. [00:03:37] Kayleigh: So great grandpa, grandpa, my dad, and then me. So are all pastors. Uh, and so I’ve just always known the church, uh, pastors have also been kind of my second family. I’ve always felt at home amongst the church and amongst pastors. Um, but when you grow up in the parsonage and other PKs will know this, uh, you are not hidden from. [00:03:58] Kayleigh: The difficult portions of church and the really hard components of church. And so then when you add on to that, becoming a pastor myself, you know, my eyes continued to be open, uh, to some of the ways that church can be a harmful place as much of it as it is a healing place. And I began to kind of ask the question, well, well, why, um, what is going on here? [00:04:21] Kayleigh: Um, particularly because when I served and we’ll get into more of this, I think, but when I was serving in my first lead pastor, it’s. So I’m a really young, I was like 27 when they, or 28 when they entrusted me when I first lead pastorate, which is kind of wild. And so they kind of threw me in and what they do with most young pastors is they kind of throw us into these dying churches. [00:04:44] Kayleigh: And so, right, it’s a small. Church with, you know, it’s dying, it’s dwindled in numbers. And so this is my first kind of lead pastorate. And, you know, I read all the books, I’m a learner, I’m a reader. I, you know, I know how to do all the things. And so I’m reading all of the books on how to revitalize a church and raise a church up from it and all those things and nothing is working. [00:05:06] Kayleigh: Um, and it started to kind of really raise my attention to, well, maybe there’s something else going on here. Um, And, and maybe we’ve been asking the wrong questions when we’ve been approaching the church. Uh, and so, uh, again, I’m a learner, so I was like, well, I’m just going to go back to school. If that was the only way I knew how to figure this out. [00:05:25] Kayleigh: So I landed in a THD program that focused on combining the studies of trauma theory with theology. Um, and my undergraduate degree is in psychology, so it felt kind of like a merging of my two worlds. Um, and it was there that I encountered collective trauma and. Really in an interesting way, studying, um, more like childhood development trauma. [00:05:46] Kayleigh: But anytime I looked at it, all I could see was the church, um, and seeing the ways in which there might be a bigger picture. There might be a bigger story going on here. And maybe there’s some collective congregational trauma underneath the, these dying, uh, declining churches that we just aren’t aware of. [00:06:04] Julie: So, so good. And this is the thing that, that just stuns me. When I, I, I do an investigation and the top pastor gets fired, sometimes all the elders step down, but the church, it’s, it’s unbelievably rare for one of those churches to thrive afterwards. And I, and I think so much of it is they think, Oh, we got rid of the bad apple. [00:06:29] Julie: And they have no concept of how that toxicity, one, you know, the toxic, often bullying way of relating and everything was, was taught and learned and trained throughout. But then there is that trauma and, and I just, I think of Willow Creek Community Church, I went to their, it was like a midweek service where they were going to deal with, Supposedly, the women who had been sexually harassed and abused by Bill Heibel’s, the previous pastor, and they didn’t even name it. [00:07:08] Julie: They didn’t name what had happened. They didn’t go into what had happened. They didn’t apologize to the women. The women became like this amorphous something out there, the women, you know? Um, and, and then they talked about, they had a repentance time, like we’re supposed to repent for his sins. It was the most bizarre, unhealing thing I had ever seen. [00:07:27] Julie: And I couldn’t imagine how after something that dysfunctional, a church could go, okay, we’re back, you know, reach the lost, you know, seeker sensitive church. It was just bizarre. Um, so, so much of your work is, is resonating with me. And again, We’ve seen a lot in and it’s really important is dealing with individual trauma and which is super important work. [00:07:53] Julie: Um, and my last podcast with Chuck DeGroat, we talked a lot about that. We talk a lot about that on a lot of podcasts, but we often don’t address again, what’s this collective trauma that, that, you know, that it actually has a social aspect. So talk about why is it important that we begin addressing collective trauma and not just individual trauma, though, you know, obviously we each need to heal as individuals, but collectively as well. [00:08:24] Kayleigh: Yeah. So collective trauma is a newer field, even in psychological studies. So it’s, Not as old as individual trauma studies, and it actually became more popular through the work of Kai Erikson, who’s a sociologist. He’s not even a psychologist, but he studied collective trauma in kind of what he refers to as unnatural disasters. [00:08:43] Kayleigh: And so these disasters that are experienced by communities that have a human, like, blame component. So it was due to somebody’s negligence due to somebody’s poor leadership due to somebody’s abuse, and it’s on a community. And so Kai Erickson notes the, the social, he calls it the social dimension of trauma or collective trauma. [00:09:03] Kayleigh: And what he, he details there is that collective trauma is anything that disrupts and ruptures the, uh, relationships within a community. Distorting and taking apart their, uh, he calls it communality instead of community, but it’s their sense of, like, neighborliness. It’s their sense of being together. It’s their, Their shared identity and their, their shared memories are all now distorted. [00:09:26] Kayleigh: And so I think when we’re speaking specifically about the church, and when we’re looking at religious trauma and congregational trauma, we need to remember that the church is first and foremost, a community. And so sometimes I think that’s missed in our kind of American individualism. You know, a lot of people kind of view spirituality as this individualistic thing, but the church is a community. [00:09:48] Kayleigh: And so when we come together as the body of Christ, you know, when wounding happens, when trauma comes, it breaks down the relationships within that congregation, which really. is what makes it a church. The relationships are what make that a church. And so when trauma comes in and disrupts those and starts causing the divisions and the distrust and the he said, she said, and the choosing of sides and the church splits and all of these things have these ripple effects on the community. [00:10:19] Kayleigh: Um, and they really are, are traumatizing. And so what happens is that if we don’t deal, if we’re only dealing with the individual trauma, In part, that’s usually dealing with people who have left the church, right? And so usually the people who are seeking individual healing from their religious trauma, who are able to name that, who are able to say, I went through this, have often stepped outside of the church. [00:10:42] Kayleigh: Sometimes just for a season, which is completely understandable. They need that time away. They need time to heal. They’re, they don’t, feel safe. But what we’re missing when we neglect the social dimension of religious trauma are often the people who stay are these congregations who can’t name it yet, who can’t articulate that what they’ve gone through is religious trauma, who who maybe are still trying to figure out what that means. [00:11:07] Kayleigh: Often it means that we’re missing, um, you know, these, these the church that I served in, you know, isn’t one of these big name churches that’s going to get, you know, newscasted about. And they can’t necessarily name what happened to them as religious trauma because nobody’s given them the language for it. [00:11:25] Kayleigh: And so we’ve often missed these, these declining churches. We’ve missed because we haven’t remembered that Trauma is communal that trauma is relational. And so we need to, yes, provide as much care and as much resourcing as we can for the healing of individuals, because you can’t heal the community if the individuals don’t know. [00:11:44] Kayleigh: But we really need to remember that the community as a whole. impacted, and that especially when we’re talking about the church, we want to be able to heal and restore those relationships. And to do that means we have to address the social dimensions of the religious trauma. And so [00:12:01] Julie: often the people that, that stay aren’t aware of what’s happened to them. [00:12:08] Julie: Are they not even aware they’re traumatized? [00:12:11] Kayleigh: Right, right. Yeah. [00:12:13] Julie: Yeah. You introduced this, this concept, which is great. I mean, it’s, it’s a riff off of the book, The Body Keeps the Score, which, you know, um, just an incredible book by, uh, Dr. Vander Kolk. But this idea that the body of Christ keeps the score. [00:12:33] Julie: Describe what you mean by that, that the body of Christ keeps the score when there’s this kind of trauma that it’s experiencing. [00:12:40] Kayleigh: Sure. So you kind of alluded to it earlier when you were giving an example of the removing of a toxic pastor, right? And then just the placement of a new pastor. And so often what happens in these situations where there’s spiritual abuse or, um, clergy misconduct or any of those things that’s causing this religious trauma, the answer seems to be, well, let’s just remove the. [00:13:00] Kayleigh: Problem person. And then that will solve everything. Um, well, what happens is we forget that trauma is embodied, right? And so you can remove the physical threat. Um, but if you remove the physical threat or the problem person, but this congregation still has this embodied sense of trauma in which they perceive threat now. [00:13:23] Kayleigh: So they’re reacting to their surroundings out of that traumatized position, because that’s what the collective body has learned to do. And so you see this, um, It’s a silly example, but I use it because I think people see it a lot. So you have a new pastor come in and the new pastor has a great idea, at least he or she thinks it’s a great idea. [00:13:46] Kayleigh: And it probably has to do with removing pews or changing carpet color. Okay. And so they present this, what they think is just a great harmless idea. And the response of the congregation is almost volatile and the pastor can’t figure out why. And often, unfortunately, what pastors have kind of been taught to identify is that they must just idolatry. [00:14:11] Kayleigh: They just have the past as an idol for them and they need to kill this golden cow. Right. And so it becomes this theological problem. Sure, there might be cases where that is the truth, but often I would say that there’s, um, a wonderful. So another great book on trauma. It’s more on racialized trauma, but it deals a lot with historical trauma is, um, rest my Mac mannequins book, um, my grandmother’s hands and in it, he addresses this historical trauma that is embodied and he quotes Dr. [00:14:42] Kayleigh: Noel Larson, who says, if it’s hysterical, it’s probably historical. In other words, if the reaction to the thing happening doesn’t seem to match, like it seems out of proportion, either too energized or not enough energy around it, it’s probably connected to some kind of historical trauma that hasn’t been processed. [00:15:03] Kayleigh: And so we see this a lot in churches who are having a hard time being healthy and flourishing and engaging with the community around them. And. The reason why is often because they have this unhealed trauma that nobody’s given them language for. Nobody’s pointed out, nobody’s addressed for them. Um, and so it’s just kind of lingering under the surface, unhealed, unnamed, and it’s informing how they believe, how they act. [00:15:33] Kayleigh: Um, and so this is really What I mean when I say the body of Christ keeps the score is that the body of Christ has embodied this trauma and it’s coming out in their behaviors, in their actions, in their values, and our pastors are not equipped to address it from a trauma informed perspective. They’ve only been given tools to address it from maybe a theological position, or this kind of revitalization remissioning perspective. [00:16:02] Kayleigh: That often doesn’t work. [00:16:04] Julie: There’s so many things I’m thinking as as you’re talking. I mean one. to come in and do something. And then because people react to, I mean, basically that’s shaming them. It’s guilting them to say, Oh, you have an idol or what’s wrong with you that you can’t get on board. And the truth is they don’t know what’s wrong with them. [00:16:23] Julie: They, they don’t. And, and they’re hurt. And all they know is you just, they’re hurt and now you’ve hurt them. So now they don’t trust you. So way to go. Um, but I’m thinking maybe because we brought this up and I don’t mean to beat up on, on Willow Creek, but I’m thinking about. When the new pastor came in, and I don’t think he’s a bad guy, um, you know, they, they were bleeding money. [00:16:45] Julie: Obviously they, they did not have the resources they did before. So one of the first things they did was they centralized, which meant the campus pastors weren’t going to be preaching anymore. They were going to be pumping in video sermons. Here’s the pastor that people trusted on these campuses. Now, that person’s not going to be preaching, which then of course, all of them left. [00:17:06] Julie: They ended up leaving and the trauma you’d now it’s trauma upon trauma. And it just seems like, especially in so many of these churches, you bring somebody in and they want to move somewhere like, right. They want a thriving church. What they don’t want to do is be at a church and sit in your pain. And yet. [00:17:27] Julie: Unless that’s done, I mean, can these churches, I mean, can they move forward? I mean, what’s going to happen if you come in and you don’t? slow down and say, these people are hurting and I need to, I need to be a shepherd. Then that’s the other thing. It’s so many of these mega churches, and I know this isn’t unique to mega churches that this happens, but I, it’s the world in which I report so often is that these mega churches are very mission vision, five year plan oriented and what they’re not capable of doing. [00:17:59] Julie: I think so many of these, you know, and they always bring in the, the pastor. That’s a good orator, maybe not a shepherd at all. In fact, some of these guys even say, I’m not a shepherd, which that’s another, yeah, I mean, but, but to actually, they need a shepherd at that point. Right. I mean, these, these people need it. [00:18:20] Julie: So, I mean, again, what, what do they need to do? And what happens if they don’t do some of these things? [00:18:28] Kayleigh: So the thing that I have really been drawn to, especially as I study Jesus, and I look at what it means to be trauma informed in the pastorate. So I, I do believe that God is still working through pastors. [00:18:39] Kayleigh: Um, in fact, there’s a really beautiful section of scripture in Jeremiah 23, where God is addressing abusive shepherds and God’s response is, I will raise up new shepherds. So God still wants to work through shepherds. There is still a place for a pastor. The problem is, is I don’t think we’ve taught pastors how to lead out of a posture of compassionate curiosity. [00:19:03] Kayleigh: And so if you follow Jesus and you look at the way that Jesus interacts with hurting people, it is out of this beautiful, humble posture of compassionate curiosity. And so I was always struck by like, he asks the blind man, what do you want me to do for you? And it always seemed like a. That’s a strange question. [00:19:20] Kayleigh: Like, he’s blind, Jesus. What do you think he and often it’s preached on, like, well, we need to be able to tell God what we want. And that’s maybe some of it. But I think it’s also the truth that God knows that it can be re traumatizing to somebody to tell them what they need and what they want. Right? So what we learned when we studied trauma is that it’s not. [00:19:40] Kayleigh: So especially when we’re talking trauma caused by abuse is that abuse is so connected to control. And so what has often happened to these victims of religious abuse of spiritual abuse is that they have had control taken from them entirely. And so when a new pastor comes in and tells them, this is what you need to get healthy again, and never takes the time to approach them from this. [00:20:02] Kayleigh: posture of compassionate curiosity, they can end up re traumatizing them. Um, but our pastors aren’t trained to ask these questions. And so, so often if you read, you know, and they’re well meaning books, you know, they’re, they’re trying to get to what’s going on in the heart of the church. They’re trying to get back to church health, but so many of the books around that have to deal with. [00:20:23] Kayleigh: Asking the church, what are you doing or what are you not doing? And trauma theory teaches us to ask a different question. And that question is what happened to you? And I think if pastors were trained to go into churches and ask the question, what happened to you and just sit with a church and a hold the church and, and listen to the stories of the church, they, they might discover that these people have never been given space to even think about it that way. [00:20:52] Kayleigh: You know, where they’ve just, they’ve had abusive leaders who have just been removed or they’ve had manipulative leaders who have just been removed and they’ve just been given a new pastor and a new pastor and nobody’s given them the space. To articulate what that’s done to them, um, as individuals and as a congregation. [00:21:09] Kayleigh: And so if we can learn to, to follow Jesus in just his curiosity, and he asks the blind man, what do you want me to do for you? He, he says, who touched me when the woman reaches out and touches him. And that’s not a, it’s not a question of condemnation. That’s a question of permission giving. He knows that this woman needs more than physical healing. [00:21:28] Kayleigh: She needs relational healing. She needs to tell her story. And by pausing and saying, who touched me? He provides a space for her to share her story that she’s never been able to share with anyone before. And I think if we were to follow that Jesus, as pastors and as leaders, we would begin to love the Bride of Christ in such a way that would lead to her healing, instead of feeling the need to just rush her through some five year plan to what we think is healing and wholeness, and what actually may not be what they would say is what they need. [00:22:02] Julie: So many things you’re saying are resonating with me. And part of that’s because, uh, like I said, we’re living this. Um, I, I told you last week when we talked that our, our house church was going on a retreat, first retreat we’ve ever had. We’ve been together a little over, well, for me, I came in about two years ago and I think they had been meeting maybe eight or nine months before then. [00:22:29] Julie: Some of the people in our group, Um, don’t come out of trauma. Um, you know, one of our, one of the couples in our church, uh, they’re like young life leaders, really just delightful, delightful, delightful people, but they haven’t lived the religious trauma. One couple is, they’re from the mission field and they had a great missions experience. [00:22:55] Julie: The only trauma they might be experiencing is coming home to the U. S. The truth is they love the mission field, right? Um, and then. The remainder of us come from two, two churches, um, that, that had some sexual abuse that was really, you know, mishandled and the trust with the leaders was, was broken in really grievous ways. [00:23:19] Julie: Um, and then there’s me on top of having that, um, living in this space where, I mean, I just report on this all the time. And so, but one of the beautiful things that happened in this, in this group is that it did have leaders when we came into it and it triggered us. Like, you know, and for us it was like, oh, here’s the inside group and the outside group. [00:23:47] Julie: Like, we’re used to the ins and the outs, right? And, and we’re used to the inside group having power and control, and the rest of us just kind of go along with it. And, and we’re, we’re a tiny little group. Like we’re 20 some people, right? But, but it’s just, and, and we’re wonderful people. Wonderful people. [00:24:02] Julie: And yet we still like, it was like, mm. And um, and so. The beautiful thing is that those leaders recognize, like they didn’t fully understand it, but they said, you know, I think we need to just step down and just not have leaders. And I didn’t even realize till we went on this retreat what an act of service and of love that was for them to just say, were laying down any, any agendas we might’ve had, any even mission or vision that we might’ve had. [00:24:35] Julie: And for one of, you know, one of the guys, it was really hard for him cause he’s just like, Mr. Mr. Energy and initiative. And, and he was like, I better not take initiative because like, it’s, it’s not going to be good for these folks. Um, and on the retreat. So then, I mean, it was, it was really a Holy Spirit. [00:24:54] Julie: experience, I think for all of us, because there definitely was a camp that was like, okay, we’ve had this kind of healing time, but can, can we move forward a little bit? Like, can we, can we have some intentionality? And then there were part of us that were just like, oh my word, if we, if we, if we have leaders, why do we need leaders? [00:25:12] Julie: We’re 20 something people. Like we can just decide everything ourselves. And, and there really was somewhat of an impasse, but it’s interesting. The things that you said for me, And it was funny at one point. They’re like, can’t you just trust? And, you know, kind of like, what, what are you guys afraid of? You know? [00:25:29] Julie: And the first thing that came out of my mouth was control control. Like we’re afraid of control, um, or I’m afraid of control. Um, but what was so, so. Huge for me and I think was one of those again, Holy Spirit moments was when, you know, I was trying to like make a point about power dynamics, like you don’t realize power and like we have to be aware of how power is stewarded in a group like this because everybody has power. [00:25:59] Julie: If you don’t realize as a communicator the power that you have, like I’m aware now that because I can, I can form thoughts pretty quickly. That I can have a lot of influence in a group. I’m aware of that. And so, you know, there was even like a part where I was leading and then I was like, I can’t lead this next thing. [00:26:17] Julie: I’ve been leading too much, you know, and then we, and then we gave, we, somebody had a marker and we gave the marker to, to, um, one of the guys in our group who’s fantastic guy. And, um, And at one point, so, so anyway, I was talking about power and, and one of the guys was like, well, I don’t, I don’t really see power. [00:26:35] Julie: I don’t need. And I’m like, you have it, whether you realize it and you have it. And what was huge is that one of the other guys that sort of a leader was a leader was able to say what she’s talking about is real. Everybody has power. This is really important. And he was quite frankly, somebody with a lot of power in that group because he has a lot of trust, used to be a pastor. [00:26:57] Julie: Um, and for him to acknowledge that for the rest of us was huge. And then this, this other guy, I mean, he said at one point, Oh, well, you know, so and so’s holding the marker right now and he has power, doesn’t he? And I was like, yes, you’re getting it. That’s it. That’s it. Thank you. Because he’s like, you just reframed what we said and I wouldn’t have reframed it that way. [00:27:22] Julie: Like I wouldn’t. And I’m like, yes, exactly. It’s like, and it was like, it was like the light bulbs were going on and people were starting to get it. Um, and then another key, key moment was when one of the women who, you know, wasn’t, you know, from our church where we experienced stuff, who said, can you, can you tell me how that, how that felt for you when we used to have leaders? [00:27:46] Julie: And then for people to be able to express that. And people listened and it was like, and I was able to hear from this guy who felt like he was, he had a straight jacket, you know, because he, he like wants to use his, his initiative. Like he, he. You know, and God’s given that to him. It’s a good thing, you know. [00:28:07] Julie: And all I can say is it was just an incredible experience, an incredible moment, but it would not have happened if, and now I’m going to get kind of, it wouldn’t have happened if people cared more about the mission than the people. And they didn’t realize the people are the mission. This is Jesus work. He doesn’t care about your five year plan. [00:28:41] Julie: He doesn’t care about your ego and the big, you know, plans that you have and things you can do. What he cares is whether you’ll lay your life down for the sheep. That’s what shepherds do. And what I saw in, in our group was the willingness to, for people that have shepherding gifts to lay down their, you know, not literally their lives, but in a way their lives, their, their dreams, their hopes or visions, everything to love another and how that created so much love and trust, you know, in our group. [00:29:22] Julie: And we’re still like trying to figure this out, but yeah, it was, it was hugely, it just so, so important. But I thought how many churches are willing to do that, are willing to, to sit in the pain, are willing to listen. And I’m, I’m curious as you go in now, there’s so much of your work has become with ReStory is, is education and going into these churches. [00:29:52] Julie: You know, normally when this happens, And you told me there’s a, there’s a name for pastors that come in. It’s the afterpastor. Afterpastor. [00:30:00] Kayleigh: Yes. The afterpastor. [00:30:02] Julie: How many times does the afterpastor get it? And does he do that? [00:30:07] Kayleigh: So the problem is, and I can tell you, cause I have an MDiv. I went, I did all the seminary. [00:30:11] Kayleigh: I’m ordained. We don’t get trained in that. Um, so, and there is, um, like you said, so you use this guy as an example who has the clear. Initiative gifts. So they’re what would be called kind of the Apostle, um, evangelist gifts in like the pastoral gift assessment kind of deal. You’ve got the Apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd, and teacher. [00:30:34] Kayleigh: And right now there’s a lot of weight kind of being thrown behind the Apostle evangelist as kind of the charismatic leader who can set the vision. And so most of the books on pastoral You know, church health and church are written kind of geared and directed that way. Um, so we’re really missing the fact that when we’re talking about a traumatized church, what you really need is a prophet shepherd. [00:30:57] Kayleigh: Um, you need somebody who can come in and shepherd the people and care for them well, but also the prophet. The role of the prophet is often to help people make meaning of their suffering. So if you read closely, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, particularly who are two prophets speaking to people in exile, what they’re really doing is helping people make meaning of that suffering. [00:31:17] Kayleigh: They’re helping people tell their story. They’re, they’re lamenting, they’re crying with them. They’re, they’re asking the hard questions. Um, and they’re able to kind of see between the lines. So prophet, Pastors who have kind of that prophetic gifting are able to see below. They’re able to kind of slow down and hear the actual story beyond the behaviors, right? [00:31:35] Kayleigh: So the behaviors aren’t telling the whole story, but we need eyes to see that. And so the problem, I would say, is that a lot of well, meaning pastors simply aren’t taught how to do this. And so they’re not given the resources. They’re not given kind of the, um. this like Christian imagination to be able to look at a church and say, okay, what has happened here and what healings take place here? [00:31:59] Kayleigh: Um, the other problem is, you know, we need to be able to give space. So denominational leaders need to be able to be okay with a church that maybe isn’t going to grow for a few years. And I think that is whether we like it or not. And we can say all day long that we don’t judge a church’s health by its numbers. [00:32:19] Kayleigh: But at the end of the day, pastors feel this pressure to grow the church, right? To have an attendance that’s growing a budget that’s growing and. And so, and part of it is from a good place, right? We want to reach more people from Jesus, but part of it is just this like cultural pressure that defines success by numbers. [00:32:36] Kayleigh: And so can we be okay with a church that’s not going to grow for a little while? You know, can we be okay with a church that’s going to take some like intentional time to just heal? And so when you have an established church, um, which is a little bit different than a house church model, it can be. A really weird sacrifice, even for the people who are there, because often what you have is you have a segment of the church who is very eager to move forward and move on and and to grow and to move into its new future, and they can get frustrated with the rest of the church. [00:33:15] Kayleigh: That kind of seems to need more time. Um, but trauma healing is it’s not linear. And so, you know, you kind of have to constantly Judith Herman identifies like three components of trauma healing. And so it’s safety and naming and remembering and then reconnecting, but they’re not like you finish safety and then you move to this one and then you move to this one. [00:33:36] Kayleigh: Often you’re kind of going, you’re ebbing and flowing between them, right? Because you can achieve safety and then start to feel like, okay, now I can name it. And then something can trigger you and make you feel unsafe again. And so you’re now you’re back here. And so, um, um, Our churches need to realize that this healing process is going to take time, and collective trauma is complicated because you have individuals who are going to move through it. [00:33:57] Kayleigh: So you’re going to have people who are going to feel really safe, and they’re going to feel ready to name, and others who aren’t. And so you have to be able to mitigate that and navigate that. And our pastors just aren’t simply trained in this. And so what I see happening a lot is I’ll do these trainings and I’ll have somebody come up to me afterwards and go, Oh my goodness, I was an after pastor and I had no idea that was a thing. [00:34:18] Kayleigh: And they’re like, you just gave so much language to my experience. And you know, and now I understand why they seem to be attacking me. They weren’t really attacking me. They just don’t trust the office of the pastor. And I represent the office of the pastor. Okay. And so sometimes they take that personally again, it becomes like these theological issues. [00:34:38] Kayleigh: And so helping pastors understand the collective trauma and being able to really just take the time to ask those important questions and to increase not only their own margin for suffering, but to increase a congregations margin for suffering. You know, to go, it’s going to be, we can sit in this pain. [00:34:58] Kayleigh: It’s going to be uncomfortable, but it’s going to be important, you know, learning how to lament, learning how to mourn. All of these things are things that often we’re just not trained well enough in, um, as pastors. And so therefore our congregations aren’t trained in them either. You know, they don’t have margin for suffering either. [00:35:14] Kayleigh: Um, and so we need to be able to equip our pastors to do that. Um, and then equip the congregations to be able to do that as well. [00:35:20] Julie: So good. And I’m so glad you’re doing that. I will say when I first started this work, um, I was not trauma informed. I didn’t know anything about trauma really. And I didn’t even, you know, I was just a reporter reporting on corruption and then it turned into abuse in the church. [00:35:38] Julie: And I started interfacing with a lot of abuse victims. who were traumatized. And I think back, um, and, and really, I’ve said this before, but survivors have been my greatest teachers by far, like just listening to them and learning from them. But really from day one, you know, it’s loving people, right? It really, it like, if you love and if you empathize, which You know, some people think it’s a sin, um, just cannot, um, but if you do that and, and that’s what, you know, even as I’m thinking about, um, within our own, our own house church, there were people who weren’t trained, but they did instinctively the right things because they loved. [00:36:28] Julie: You know, and it just reminds me, I mean, it really does come down to, they will know you are Christians by your love. You know, how do we know love? Like Christ laid down his life for us. He is our model of love and, and somehow, you know, like you said, the, in the church today we’ve, we’ve exalted the, um, what did you say? [00:36:49] Julie: The apostle evangelist? The apostle evangelist. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, we’ve exalted that person, um, you know, And I think we’ve forgotten how to love. And too many of these pastors don’t know how to love. They just don’t know how to love. And it’s, it’s tragic. Because they’re supposed to be I mean, the old school models, they were shepherds, you know, like you said, like we need apostles, we need evangelists. [00:37:16] Julie: But usually the person who was leading the church per se, the apostles and evangelists would often end up in parachurch organizations. I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. I think the church needs all of those things. Um, and, uh, But yeah, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve left that behind, sadly. And there’s nothing sexy about being a shepherd. [00:37:37] Kayleigh: Yeah, no, I, all, all of the Apostle, I mean that, well, the whole thing is needed, um, and it’s most beautiful when we just work together, and, and when they can respond to each other. So, I mean, me and you’re an example in your house, you’re a visiting example of this. You can’t, even if just listening, you have some clear Apostle evangelists in your group, right? [00:37:54] Kayleigh: I mean, Um, right? And so you have these people wired for that, and yet they’re able to, to learn and respond to some of the people in the group who have more of those prophet shepherd tendencies. And so I think that that’s really what, and that’s loving, right? So we should go back. It’s just loving one another and learning from one another. [00:38:17] Kayleigh: And knowing when to lean into certain giftings and to learn from others giftings. This is why it’s the body of Christ. And so when a component of the body of Christ is left out, we can’t be who God’s called us to be. And so when we neglect the role of the shepherd and neglect the role of the prophet or minimize them, or see them as secondary, then we’re not going to do called us to be. [00:38:44] Kayleigh: You know, we may need all of it to come together to do what God has called us to do. God is working in this church. He’s worked all through this church. He has established it and called it, and He’s going to use it. But we need to be learning how He has built it and how He framed it. For me to love one another and not elevate one gifting above another. [00:39:07] Julie: And it’s interesting too, you mentioned the office of the pastor. Um, I know as we were discussing some of this, we have one guy who’s very, I mean, actually our entire group, and I think this is probably why we’ve been able to navigate some of this. It’s it’s a really spiritually mature group. A lot of people. [00:39:26] Julie: who have been in leadership, um, which sometimes you get a lot of leaders together and it can be, you know, but this hasn’t been that way because I think people really do love the Lord. Um, and they love each other. Um, but one of the things that was brought up, um, is Is the pastor an office or is it a role and have we made it into an office and, and what we realized in the midst of that and I, you know, I, I’m like, well, that’s really interesting. [00:39:57] Julie: I would like to study that. And I find there, there’s a curiosity when you talk compassionate curiosity, I think there’s also a curiosity in, in people who have been through this kind of trauma. There’s a curiosity in, okay, what, what did we do? that we did because everybody said that’s how we’re supposed to do it. [00:40:18] Kayleigh: Yeah. [00:40:18] Julie: Yeah. Do I really have that conviction? Could I really argue it from scripture? Is this even right? And so I find even in our group, there is a, there is a, um, there’s a curiosity and maybe this is because we’re coming through and we’re in, you know, I think a later stage of healing is that now we’re like really curious about what should we be? [00:40:44] Julie: Yes. Yes. What should we be, like, we, we want to dig into what, what is a church, what should it really be, and what, why, how could we be different? Of course, always realizing that you can have the perfect structure and still have disaster. Um, it really does come down to the character of the people and, and that, but, but yeah, there’s a real, Curiosity of, of sort of, um, digging, digging into that. [00:41:10] Julie: And, and let me just, I can ask you, and, and maybe this will be a rabbit trail, maybe we’ll edit it out. I don’t know. Um, , but, but I am curious what do, what do you think of that idea that the, the pastorate may be a role that we’ve made into an office and maybe that could be part of the problem? [00:41:27] Kayleigh: I think that’s a lot of it. [00:41:28] Kayleigh: Um, because when we turn the, the pastorate into an office, we can lose the priesthood of all believers. So that I think is often what happens is that, um, you create this pastoral role where now all of the ministry falls on to the pastor. And so instead of the pastor’s role being to equip the saints for the ministry, which is what scripture says, the scripture describes a pastor as equipping the saints for the ministry. [00:41:56] Kayleigh: Now the pastor is doing the ministry, right? There’s, there’s just all of this pressure on the pastor. And that’s, that’s where I think we start to see this. The shift from the pastor being the one who is, you know, encouraging and equipping and edifying and, you know, calling up everybody to live into their role as the body of Christ where we’ve seen. [00:42:19] Kayleigh: You know, I have a soft spot for pastors. Again, I’m like, they’re all my relatives are them. I love pastors and I know some really beautiful ones who get into ministry because that’s exactly what they want to do. And so what has often happened though, is that the, the ways of our culture have begun to inform how the church operates. [00:42:40] Kayleigh: And so we saw this, you know, when, when the church started to employ business In kind of the church growth movement. So it’s like, okay, well, who knows how to grow things? Business people know how to grow things. Okay. Well, what are they doing? Right. And so now that the pastor is like the CEO, people choose their churches based on the pastor’s sermon, right? [00:43:00] Kayleigh: Well, I like how this pastor preaches. So I’m going to go to that church. Um, so some of it is. So I would say that not all of it is pastors who have like that egotistical thing within them at the beginning. Some of it is that we know that those patterns exist. But some of these men and women are genuinely just love the Lord’s people and then get into these roles where they’re all of a sudden like, wait, I, Why, why is it about me and others, this pressure to preach better sermons and the person down the road or, you know, run the programs and do all of these things instead of equipping the people to do the work of God. [00:43:38] Kayleigh: And so I think it’s, it’s about, and right, I think it’s happened internally in our churches, but I also think there’s this outward societal pressure that has shifted the pastor from this shepherding role to the CEO office. Um, And finding the, like, middle ground, right? So again, like, we can swing the pendulum one way and not have pastors. [00:44:05] Kayleigh: Or we can swing the pendulum the other way and have pastors at the center of everything. But is there a way of finding, kind of, this middle ground where people who are fairly calm and gifted and anointed by God to do rich shepherding can do it in a way that is Zen sitting that church that is equal famous saint that is calling the body of Christ to be what it is called be. [00:44:27] Kayleigh: And I guess I’m, I’m constantly over optimistic and so I’m convinced that there’s gotta be a way , that we can get to a place where pastors can live out of their giftings and live by their callings and live out of their long dreams in such a way. That leads to the flourishing health of the church and not to its destruction. [00:44:45] Julie: Yes. And, and I think if it’s working properly, that absolutely should be there. They should be a gift to the church. Um, and, and sadly we just, we haven’t seen enough of that, but that is, that is, I think the model. Um, let’s talk specifically, and we have talked, or we might not have named it, um, but some of the results of this collective trauma. [00:45:08] Julie: in a congregation. Um, let’s, let’s name some of the things. These are ways that this can, that this can play itself out. [00:45:17] Kayleigh: Sure. So when we’re talking about congregational collective trauma, one of the main results that we’ve talked about kind of in a roundabout way is this lack of trust that can happen within the congregation. [00:45:27] Kayleigh: And this can be twofold. We can talk about the lack of trust for the leadership, but it all also can be lack of trust. Just, In the congregation itself, um, this often happens, particularly if we’re looking at clergy misconduct that maybe wasn’t as widespread. So I think this is some of what you’ve kind of talked about with Willow Creek a little bit, and I’m, I wasn’t in that situation, but I’ve seen it other places where, you know, in our system, the denominational leadership removes a pastor. [00:45:56] Kayleigh: And so what can happen in a system like that is that denominational leadership becomes aware of abuse. They act on the abuse by removing the pastor. And what you have happening is kind of this, um, Betrayal trauma or this, you know, bias against believing. And so because the idea that their clergy person who they have loved and trusted, you know, shepherd them could possibly do something that atrocious. [00:46:24] Kayleigh: That idea is too devastating for them to internalize. So it feels safer to their bodies to deny it. And so what can happen is you can have a fraction of the church. that thinks it’s, you know, all made up and that there’s no truth to it. And they began to blame the denominational leadership as the bad guys or that bad reporter that, you know, the [00:46:45] Julie: gossip monger out there. [00:46:47] Julie: It’s so bad. [00:46:48] Kayleigh: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So you have this split. Now, sometimes it literally splits and people will leave. Um, but sometimes they don’t and they all stay. And so you have these fractions of people who believe different things about what happened. And so now there’s, there’s a lack of shared identity. [00:47:08] Kayleigh: So I would say one of the key components of collective trauma in a congregation is this mistrust, which is often connected to a lack of shared identity. And so they can’t really figure out who they are together. What does it mean for us to be a community to get there? Um, and so trauma begins to write their story. [00:47:27] Kayleigh: And so when we talk about the embodiment of trauma, one of the ways that that works in individuals, and this is like a mini neuroscience lesson that many of your listeners are probably aware of, because I think you have a very trauma informed audience. Audience, but, um, you know, that it, it makes us react out of those fight, flight, or freeze responses. [00:47:46] Kayleigh: And so that happens individually, right? So something triggers us and all of a sudden we’re at our cortisol is raised. We’re acting out of the, uh, you know, those flight flight places that happens communally too. So a community gets triggered by, you know, a pastor again, having what they think is just a creative idea, you know, but maybe it triggers that time that that pastor. [00:48:09] Kayleigh: Had a creative idea that was, you know, and ran with it without talking to anybody and just like wield the control and manipulated people. And now, all of a sudden, this pastor who thinks they just have this innocent, creative idea is now seen as manipulative. And what are they going to try to do behind our backs? [00:48:27] Kayleigh: And what are they going to try? And, and. What are they going to take from us? Right? And so trauma, trauma takes from people. And so now they’re living kind of out of this perpetual perceived fear, perceived threat, that something else is going to be lost. And so when you have a congregation that’s constantly operating out of, you know, this fight, flight, or freeze response. [00:48:52] Kayleigh: Collectively, I mean, how can we expect them to live out the mission that God has given them? Um, you know, they’re not, they’re not there. They’re not able to, um, they’re not able to relate to one another in a healthy way. And so we, we see a lack of kind of intimate relationships in these congregations, right? [00:49:09] Kayleigh: Because so the Deb Dana, who has helped people really understand the polyvagal theory, when we’re talking about, um, trauma talks about your, your, um, Nervous system, your autonomic nervous system is kind of being like a three rung ladder. And so in this three rung ladder, you have the top rung being your ventral bagel state, which is where you can engage with people in safe and healthy ways. [00:49:32] Kayleigh: And then you move down into kind of your sympathetic nervous system. And this is where you’re in that fight flight freeze and then dorsal bagels at the bottom. And in those two middle and bottom, you can’t build these deep relationships. And again, deep relationships are what make a church a church. And so if you have a congregation that’s stuck in these middle to bottom rungs of this ladder, they’re, they’re fight, flight, freeze, or they’re withdrawing from one another. [00:49:54] Kayleigh: You’re, you’re losing the intimacy, the vulnerability, the safety of these congregations to build those kinds of relationships. And so I would say that, that distrust, that lack of shared identity and that inability to build deeper kind of relationships are three kind of key components of what we’re seeing in congregations who are carrying this collective trauma. [00:50:16] Julie: And yet, if you work through that together, like I will say right now, I feel a great deal of affection for, for everyone. Uh, in our house tours because we went through that chaos together, but also it was, it was an opportunity to see love and people lay down their lives for each other. So to, to be able to see, I mean, you begin writing a new story instead of that old story that’s been so dominant, you know, that you have to tell, you have to work through. [00:50:50] Julie: Yeah, you do. And, and, and you have, you do. I love where you say, you know, people need to, to hear that from you. Yeah. I think that’s really, really important for people to have a safe place. But then at the same time, you can’t, you don’t want to live the rest of your life there. You don’t want that to define, define you. [00:51:09] Julie: Um, and that’s, that’s what’s beautiful though, is if you work through it together, now you, you’ve got a new story, right? You’ve got, you’ve got Dodd doing something beautiful. Um, among you and, and that’s what he does. [00:51:23] Kayleigh: That’s why we call our organization Restory. Um, it is a word used in trauma theory and in reconciliation studies to talk about what communities who have experienced a lot of violence have to do is they have to get to a place where they’re able to, it’s exactly what you’re talking about with your house churches doing is you guys have kind of come to a place where you’re able to ask the question, who do we want to be now? [00:51:45] Kayleigh: And this is this process of restorying. And so what trauma does is in many ways, for a while, it tries to write our stories. And for a while, it kind of has, because of the way that it’s embodied, we kind of, it has to, right? Like we have to process like, okay, I’m reacting to this. trigger because of this trauma that’s happened. [00:52:05] Kayleigh: So how do I work through that? You know, how do I name that? How do I begin to tell that story? And so we, and we have to tell the story, right? Because I mean, trauma theory has been the dialectic of traumas, but Judith Herman talks about is it’s very unspeakable because it’s horrific, but it has to be spoken to be healed. [00:52:22] Kayleigh: Right. And so with this trauma, it can be hard to speak initially. But it needs to be spoken to be healed. But once we’ve done that, once we begin to loosen the control that trauma has on us. Once we’re able to speak it out loud, and then we can get to a place individually and communally where we can start to ask ourselves, Who do we want to be? [00:52:45] Kayleigh: And who has God called us to be? And no, things are not going to be the way they were before the trauma happened. I think that’s the other thing that happens in churches is there’s a lot of misconception. That healing means restoring everything to the way it was before. And when that doesn’t happen, there’s this question of, well, well, did we, did we heal? [00:53:06] Kayleigh: And we have to remember that we’re never going back to the way it was before the trauma happened. But we can begin to imagine what it can look like now. Once we begin to integrate the suffering into our story, and we begin to ask those helpful questions, and we take away the trauma’s control, now we can ask, who do we want to be? [00:53:24] Kayleigh: And we can begin to write a new beautiful story that can be healing for many others. [00:53:29] Julie: A friend of mine who has been through unspeakable trauma, I love when she talks about her husband, because they went through this together, and she often says, he’s like an aged fine wine. You know, and I love that because to me, no, you’re not going back to who you were, but in many ways who you were was a little naive, little starry eyed, a little, you know, and, and once you’ve been through these sorts of things, it is kind of like an aged fine wine. [00:54:01] Julie: You have, you’re, you’re aged, but hopefully in a beautiful way. And, you know, I, I think you’re way more compassionate. Once you’ve gone through this, you’re way more able to see another person who’s traumatized and And to, you know, reach out to that person, to love that person, to care for that person. And so it’s a beautiful restoring. [00:54:26] Julie: And we could talk about this for a very long time. And we will continue this discussion at Restore, [00:54:33] Kayleigh: um, because [00:54:34] Julie: you’re going to be at the conference and that was part of our original discussions. So folks, if you wanna talk more to Kaleigh , come to Restore. I, I’m, I’m gonna fit you in somehow because , I’m gonna be there. [00:54:46] Julie: you’re gonna be there. But do you just have a wealth of, uh, I think research and insights that I think will really, really be powerful? And I’m waiting for you to write your book because it needs to be written. Um, but I’m working on it. , thank you for, for taking the time and for, um, just loving the body. [00:55:07] Julie: And in the way that you have, I appreciate it. [00:55:09] Kayleigh: Well, thank you. Because, you know, when I heard about your work and your tagline, you know, reporting the truth, but restoring the church, you know, I was just so drawn in because that’s what we need. The church is worth it. The church is beautiful and she is worth taking the time to restore. [00:55:24] Kayleigh: And I’m so thankful for the work that you’re doing to make sure that that that happens. [00:55:28] Julie: Thank you. Well, thanks so much for listening to the Roy’s Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys. And if you’ve appreciated this podcast and our investigative journalism, would you please consider donating to the Roy’s report to support our ongoing work? [00:55:47] Julie: As I’ve often said, we don’t have advertisers or many large donors. We mainly have you. The people who care about our mission of reporting the truth and restoring the church. So if you’d like to help us out, just go to Julie Roy’s spelled R O Y S dot com slash donate. That’s Julie Roy’s dot com slash donate. [00:56:07] Julie: Also just a quick reminder to subscribe to the Roy’s report on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. That way you won’t miss any of these episodes. 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On tonight's episode of everyone's favorite @AmericanIdol podcast, we review episode 4 of season 21. Episode 4 brought us the most food play American Idol has ever seen, animals on the set, the best fashion of the season. And never forget, Lauren called it last week: Luke Bryan is the TOUGHTEST JUDGE! #linkinbio Contestant coverage: · Mariah Faith · Nailyah Serenity · Kayleigh Clark · Pjae · Warren Peay · Carina Deangelo · Johnny Knox · Paige Anne · Oprah · Kamron Lawson · Fire · Owen Eckhardt Best Dressed: Nailyah Serenity & Mom Tear drop level: 1.1 Get connected, send your audio bits and join us in Idol Nation on instagram: @idolnationpod --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/idol-nation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/idol-nation/support
“There's this huge market for people that have dual skin concerns, and nothing that addresses it,” shares Kayleigh Clark, co-founder of CLEARstem, a skincare company that combines anti-aging and anti-acne solutions into one product line while also providing skincare education. In today's episode, host Christi Lukasiak is joined in conversation with both co-founders of CLEARstem, Kayleigh Clark and Danielle Gronich, to talk about the combination of acne and aging concerns that many adults struggle with. Acne doesn't just go away when you get older. Unfortunately, many anti-aging products include pore clogging ingredients that trigger breakouts and many acne products are too harsh and leave behind scars. Danielle and Kayleigh created CLEARstem because they saw that there was a need for products that would combine anti-aging properties with ingredients that were safe for acne-prone skin and would also help clear up existing breakouts and scars. With Danielle's experience running her acne clinic and Kayleigh's experience as a nutritionist, together they set out to design a skincare line and education platform that empowers people to regain control over their skin. Tune into this week's episode of Christi's Couch for a conversation about skincare. Learn how to check your products for acne triggers and which foods to eliminate from your diet to help you get clearer and healthier skin. Quotes “There's this huge market for people that have dual concerns, and nothing that addresses it. In fact, one area like anti-aging cancels out the acne and acne products damage your skin and cancel out your anti-aging. So they were really conflicting categories, but we combined them.” (15:29-15:44 | Kayleigh) “When you see these ads that pop up like this is the one thing that cured my acne it's total bullshit. Pardon my french, but it's never just one thing. And that's why acne is so difficult for people to clear.” (19:35-19:46 | Danielle) “Never ever assume. Just because something's organic or clean or natural or has a bunch of reviews doesn't mean anything. In fact, a lot of organic skincare is the worst for acne because it uses a ton of shea butter and coconut oil.” (27:09-27:20 | Danielle) “No one else is living your life except for you. You are the only one living it. And so why not create an amazing atmosphere and life that you're building things in.” (32:37-32:46 | Kayleigh) “We knew if we wanted to actually help people clear their skin, products don't do everything. Products will create so much change and eliminating the pore clogging ingredients will create so much change. But if something's going on with digestion, or they're eating dairy, or they're over-supplementing with wheat, they're never going to get clear. So we create a cascade effect of change by providing additional education that's not only transformed people's skin, but their health as well.” (37:11-37:39 | Kayleigh) Links Connect with Danielle Gronich and Kayleigh Clark: CLEARstem Website: https://clearstemskincare.com CLEARstem Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/clearstemskincare Kayleigh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kayleigh.christina Danielle Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielle.the.acne.guru FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM CHECK OUT MY TIK TOK WATCH MY LATEST YOUTUBE VIDEO If you've benefited from this episode be sure to tag me @christilukasiak on Instagram and share this episode with your community to spread the word! Also, be sure to leave a review on iTunes. And if you want a question answered on the couch, call 1-800-988-8155 and leave a message! XO, Christi
It's a brand new day, it's a brand new era, and it's time for a brand new Marvel TV show! The much anticipated Falcon and the Winter Soldier is finally here, but does it hold up to the hype? That's for Scott and AP2HYC writer Kayleigh Clark to decide. They discuss the action, the drama, and of course, Daniel Bruhl's sick dance moves. Strut your funky stuff Zemo!Listen & Subscribe wherever you listen to your Podcasts!Edited by Alexandra MirabalTimecode:News: 2:08- 17:49Batroc, Angsty Boys, and Flagsmashers: 20:00Teaming up, Returning characters, and dancing: 1:00:00Super Steroids, Captain America, and final thoughts: 1:30:00
Episode 45: Healing Acne and Skin Aging with Acne Gurus Danielle Gronich and Kayleigh Clark In this episode, Ellie interviews Danielle Gronich and Kayleigh Clark former Acne Suffers and founders of Clearstem Skin care. They share their holistic approach to healing acne, internally and externally. You'll learn practical tools, pore clogging ingredients, and foods that seem healthy that may be fueling inflammation and fueling acne and skin aging along with skin care routine tips! Connect with Danielle and Kayleigh check out @clearstemskincare or visit clearstemskincare.com Catch their Acne workshop in the Mindfulbellie 21 day reset Mindfulbellie 21 day reset starts October 5, 2020. Mindfulbellie.com/21dayreset Earlybird Ends September 7 Danielle Gronich, known as the country's "Acne Guru", owner of the renowned San Diego Acne Clinic, and pioneer of the successful treatment of acne. Her clinic, San Diego Acne Clinic takes a holistic approach with a 98% success rate for getting people clear and keeping them clear. Together with Kayleigh Clark, she is the co-founder of CLEARstem Skincare, a groundbreaking anti-aging, hormone balancing, scar revising and anti-acne skincare line. Danielle established the San Diego Acne Clinic after battling her own cystic acne for over 10 years. None of the typical methods – antibiotics, lasers, hormonal modifiers, prescription creams, peels and even three rounds of Accutane – worked for her, and the many physicians and dermatologists she consulted could not seem to crack the code. She left the corporate world, dove into clinical research, and went back to school to find the answers for herself, earning her license as a clinical esthetician and acne specialist. She learned that acne has multiple triggers that operate in tandem and that thoroughly evaluating each case in a holistic way – both internal and external – is the only way to help truly manage skin. Today, her clinic has thousands of success stories to tell including celebrity clients. Kayleigh Clark is the co-founder of CLEARstem Skincare, a Holistic Nutritionist, published author, and wellness expert with a keen understanding of the ingredients we put in our bodies for better or worse. She developed numerous health issues, including severe cystic acne in her mid-twenties and tried in vain to find a cure. After countless doctors, dermatologists, and specialists, no one could figure out what was going on. That’s when she took matters into her own hands and discovered San Diego Acne Clinic, where she met Danielle Gronich. Not only did her acne clear up, but through their sessions, the duo discovered their mutual passion for helping other acne sufferers achieve clear skin through internal and external methods without sacrificing their health. That’s when CLEARstem Skincare was born. Guided by a passion to make a positive impact, Kayleigh studies the latest research on skin and whole-body wellness. She is the co-host of the Balancing Your Hustle podcast, which interviews thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and wellness experts, diving into their individual stories and journeys. Kayleigh is also the published author of Healing with Apple Cider Vinegar: 115 Recipes for Health, Beauty, and Home and has been featured in numerous health, wellness, and lifestyle publications.
Michaela has geeked out on Floor is Lava since it launched and gave her reprieve from the stressful things in the world. In this episode she talks with Floor is Lava contestant and owner of ClearStem skincare about how to take care of your biggest organ and keep it toxin-free, including protection from the sun and anti-aging strategies. There's 1 simple way to improve your skin now, and Kayleigh shares it in this episode. Kayleigh Christina Clark is the co-founder of CLEARstem, a former acne sufferer and a passionate health nutritionist who found her calling when she finally found her cure for acne and other health issues through nutrition and CLEARstem. Kayleigh is a skin care and nutrition expert on a mission to help acne sufferers finally find answers and feel confident in their skin. She is also the author of Healing with Apple Cider Vinegar: 115 Recipes for Health, Beauty, and Home. If you want to connect more with Kayleigh and hear more of her story, she is the co-host of the “Balancing Your Hustle” podcast on iTunes and GooglePlay. She and her co-host Helen Peterson talk all things about balancing your career, passions, wellness and all your hustles of life. Visit Kayleigh https://clearstemskincare.com/ Visit Michaela https://www.michaelarenee.com/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyoufindhappy/message
On this episode we welcomed to the show a very successful entrepreneur, author, and educator - Kayleigh Clark. As the co-Founder and traveling voice of CLEARstem Skin Care, she is a textbook example of building a brand from a personal passion. She shared her journey that led her here; of which included working for the NBA, writing her first published book, managing speaking engagements, and even educated us on the benefits of adding liver to your daily diet!Enjoy! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Danielle Gronich & Kayleigh Clark operate the San Diego Acne Clinic, offering 100% acne-focused skin care! They bridge the gap between Dermatologist and Spa to deliver clinical results in a hip, relaxed setting. In the first visit, they go over all of your products, identify any problematic ingredients, conduct a thorough skin analysis and create a tailored skincare routine to match each unique individual. They also discuss hormones & nutrition in detail, then conduct a customized acne-reversing facial treatment with extractions so your skin can start to heal that same day! Episode Highlights: Danielle talks about opening an acne clinic in San Diego. How they have crafted a loyal fan base by standing out from other acne treatment companies. How Kayleigh’s health issues led to severe acne, leading to her meeting Danielle. Learn how to form a successful partnership. Kayleigh & Danielle talk about self-financing their ventures. Find out how the team pivoted when a large order was fulfilled incorrectly. 3 Key Points: When you have integrity, it shows. Find partners who complement your strengths, not someone who shares your strengths. Resumes don’t matter, your personality is everything. Tweetable Quotes: “Assholes attract assholes. Great people attract great people.” Resources Mentioned: https://www.instagram.com/kayleigh.christina/ (https://www.instagram.com/kayleigh.christina/) https://www.instagram.com/clearstemskincare/ (https://www.instagram.com/clearstemskincare/) https://www.instagram.com/sandiegoacneclinic/ (https://www.instagram.com/sandiegoacneclinic/) https://www.instagram.com/theacneguru/ (https://www.instagram.com/theacneguru/) Visit Travis’ website at travischappell.com (https://create.acast.com/episodes/3b48e6da-a672-4e83-9897-ddefc4e88bc7/travischappell.com) Join the Build Your Network Facebook group travischappell.com/group (https://create.acast.com/episodes/3b48e6da-a672-4e83-9897-ddefc4e88bc7/travischappell.com/group)
Announcing a new episode of the Single Soul Purpose podcast! Episode 35: Upleveling Your Swagger: Beauty from the Inside Out & Outside In with Kayleigh Clark and Danielle Gronich, founders of CLEARstem Skincare. CLEARstem Skincare is a revolutionary skincare brand that is both Anti-Aging and Anti-Acne with zero hormones disruptors or toxins. The brand was founded in San Diego, CA by two women, Danielle Gronich (owner of the acclaimed San Diego Acne Clinic) & Kayleigh Clark (Holistic Nutritionist). The co-founders met when Kayleigh was suffering from severe cystic acne, searching for answers, and found San Diego Acne Clinic. The two bonded over their mutual passion for holistic skin health and whole body wellness. After doing their due diligence and finding that existing products contained pore-clogging ingredients or toxic chemicals that disrupted hormones, they decided that their clients and the world deserved better. Danielle and Kayleigh decided to partner in 2016 to dedicate their lives and careers to create CLEARstem skincare, and keep creating products that delivered positive change without sacrificing health. On today’s episode, Jennifer chats with Danielle and Kayleigh about the link between gut health, mental health, and skin health, including why harsh medications aren’t always the answer/how nutrition can, and should, be the first line of defense in developing beautiful, healthy skin. On that note, Kayleigh and Danielle also bust a few skincare myths: “Just because something’s healthy internally doesn’t mean it’s going to be good for your skin.” Kayleigh and Danielle also share practical tips on how they’re personally managing stress and “upleveling their swaggers” during this pandemic. Connect with Kayleigh and Danielle on Instagram @clearstemskincare and visit their website where you can learn about their amazing Ditch Your Acne courses available for everyone from "The Everyday Woman" to "The Health Practitioner" with Single Soul Purpose podcast listeners gifted 20% off! We'd love to hear your thoughts via an iTunes rating/review, and be sure to connect with us on Instagram and Facebook @jenniferwatsonleadership. Music by: Artist: Rodrigo Vicente Title: Keep Walking http://www.hooksounds.com
I know there are many of us that have struggled or do struggle with acne. Anything from the occasional breakout to a continuous cycle of uncontrollable acne. For myself it’s been a battle ever since I was in my teens and even into my adult life. I’m sure for those that can relate you have tried this product, that product, this treatment, that treatment, and so on. We will do anything to get rid of it once and for all. Today I think you are in luck, there is a solution and sometimes it’s not exactly what you think. Today’s guests are experts in this area and have had their share of experience and struggles with acne, melasma, and hormones out of wack. This episode is about the holistic approach to discovering the cause of your acne and more. We touch on everything from the products you use (organic or not), nutrition, supplements, gut health, digestion, and hormones. I want you to be able to uncover what’s causing your breakouts, small or large. Also I want to mention I personally have jumped on board with this brand I am about to introduce to you. The reason being is I actually have seen results and my breakouts have improved ever since I started using this brand. Meet Kayleigh and Danielle who are the founders of CLEARstem Skincare. CLEARstem is a revolutionary skincare brand that is both Anti-Acne and Anti-Aging with zero hormone disruptors or toxins. These two ladies came together from two different backgrounds, Kayleigh a holistic nutritionist and Danielle the owner of the acclaimed San Diego Acne clinic. Partnering together they developed a skincare brand that has helped women and men clear their acne and scars. Today we dive deep into all the culprits to what might be causing your breakouts and some you might be quite surprised by. For full show notes and episode resources head to https://ericalippy.com/kayleigh-clark-a…danielle-gronich/ Find our guest at: https://clearstemskincare.com —15% off USE CODE: PLP DITCH YOUR ACNE COURSE— 15% OFF USE CODE: PLP @clearstemskincare @kayleigh.christina & @danielle.the.acne.guru facebook.com/clearstemskincare Please don't forget to subscribe and leave a review! PASSION LOVE PURSUIT INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/passionlovepursuit/ PASSION LOVE PURSUIT FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/passionlovepursuit/ PASSION LOVE PURSUIT PODCASTS: https://ericalippy.com/the-podcast/
Today we have two guests Danielle Gronich and Kayleigh Clark, who are professional health and beauty experts. We will be taking a deep-dive into treating acne not only topically but also internally. This episode contains very valuable info.that all Esthetician need to know. Website https://clearstemskincare.com/ amazon https://amzn.to/39WeokQ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beautyradionetwork/message
Today we have two guests Danielle Gronich and Kayleigh Clark, who are professional health and beauty experts. We will be taking a deep-dive into treating acne not only topically but also internally. This episode contains very valuable info.that all Esthetician need to know. Website https://clearstemskincare.com/ amazon https://amzn.to/39WeokQ
In this episode, Chase + I are answering YOUR questions! All sorts of people have reached out to us wanting some real life tools to level up their relationship. We are not trained couples therapists, but we have come back from divorce to a beautiful and fulfilling partnership that lights us up + those around us. The two points/questions we discuss pertain to every couple: How the hell to find time to connect with life gets busy Our #1 underrated piece of relationship advice These are real tools that you're not gonna find in Cosmo magazine, or from the latest relationship best selling book, or even from your pastor. Test these out in your own life and watch your relationship change. We messed our marriage up, but we're getting a second chance now, and nothing in the world is better than that. Follow us on IG! Screenshot this episode and tag us! We love to know who is listening. Have an interesting relationship question for us? DM us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/mimi_themedicin/ (@mimi_themedicin) https://www.instagram.com/the_chasen_one/ (@the_chasen_one) or enter your question https://www.getmimifit.com/contact-mimi (on my contact page.) Enjoy the episode + send to a friend that wants to go deeper in their relationship. Cheers + love. LINKS + DISCOUNTS For peak immune system intelligence, I have 2 capsules of https://www.getmimifit.com/store/ahccsubscription1 (Immune Intel AHCC®) daily. It's the most clinically researched functional food in the world, made from the mycelium(roots) of Shiitake mushrooms! I break everything down for you in https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mushroom-allure-ahcc-is-intelligence-your-body-needs/id1494522894?i=1000463139692 (episode #3)! With 32 years of research, it's effective against: cancer, HPV, hepatitis, HIV, autoimmune disorders, viruses, diabetes, Lyme, cardiovascular disease, influenza, seasonal allergies, fatigue and more! AHCC heals your body, and then your body heals the disease. If you're looking for a safe, natural skincare line that actually gets clinical results, check it! https://clearstemskincare.com/?rfsn=3471651.3bb21e (CLEARstem) is the anti-acne AND anti-aging line that was able to heal my dark purple acne scars! And it has reishi medicinal mushroom! Use the code MIMIFIT for a hefty discount! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kayleigh-clark-natural-secret-to-treat-your-acne-heal/id1494522894?i=1000464459283 (Episode #5) with CLEARstem co-founder and skin genius Kayleigh Clark will give you hope if you're battling your skin like I was for so long! The best Organic Green juice you'll ever taste lives at https://www.organifishop.com/ (Organifi.) They are pros at creating organic superfood powders with medicinal mushrooms! Check them out! Use Discount code MIMIFIT for 15% off all orders. My favorite is the chocolate GOLD! If you're wondering where to start with Organifi, start here with my https://www.getmimifit.com/store/organifi (FREE GUIDE: "How to use Organifi Like a Pro.") I cover all the products taste, benefits, and even all the creative ways I use each one! And how to get the best deal! For hormone balance, stress reduction, mental health, cognitive function, immune support and so many more benefits, you need Reishi spores! Spores are 17-80x more potent than other Reishi products. The easiest way is in your coffee! You can get my exact https://www.shopog.com/ShoppingCart/index.cfm?FuseAction=CategoryShop&CategoryID=104&Lng=EN_organo&Country=USA&OwnerID=10002263906 (Reishi spore KING coffee) here. I have completely given up regular coffee and chosen the longevity benefits from Reishi KING coffee. Even if you are caffeine sensitive, Reishi has your back - it cancels out all negative effects of regular caffeine. Listen to https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/emily-morrow-reishi-aka-mushroom-immortality-secret/id1494522894?i=1000465145958 (episode #6) with Emily Morrow to blow your mind on Reishi spores!...
This is a super juicy episode packed FULL of skincare knowledge bombs and secrets to achieve truly beautiful glowing skin. I interview Kayleigh Clark who is the co-founder of https://clearstemskincare.com/?rfsn=3471651.3bb21e (Clearstem Skincare.) The anti-acne AND anti-aging line that has helped me dissolve my acne scars and reduce the active breakouts to nonexistent. Kayleigh is also a badass certified holistic nutritionist and author of Healing with Apple Cider Vinegar: 115 recipes for health, beauty + home. She's an expert in what food should be IN our bodies as well as what products should be ON them! Today we dive into What makes Clearstem so unique How skincare lines (even expensive ones) cut corners Which facial oils to use and avoid Secret pore clogging ingredients How your biotin + collagen supplements could actually be causing breakouts Which foods to cut out for acneic skin How to soften deep wrinkles in 2 weeks (this one blew my mind!) And so much more! As always please rate and review for us! It makes my day to read them. And if you like the episode (you will, I promise), screenshot and tag someone who needs this skin healing knowledge too! LINKS Follow us on IG! Screenshot this episode and tag us! We love to know who is listening. https://www.instagram.com/mimi_themedicin/ (@mimi_themedicin) https://www.instagram.com/kayleigh.christina/ (@kayleigh.christina) https://www.instagram.com/clearstemskincare/ (@clearstemskincare) If you're looking for a safe, natural skincare line that actually gets clinical results, check it! https://clearstemskincare.com/?rfsn=3471651.3bb21e (CLEARstem) is the anti-acne AND anti-aging line that was able to heal my dark purple acne scars! And it has reishi medicinal mushroom! Use the code MIMIFIT for a hefty discount! The best Organic Green juice you'll ever taste lives at https://www.organifishop.com/ (Organifi.) They are pros at creating organic superfood powders with medicinal mushrooms! Check them out! Use Discount code MIMIFIT for 15% off all orders. My favorite is the chocolate GOLD! If you're wondering where to start with Organifi, start here with my https://www.getmimifit.com/store/organifi (FREE GUIDE: "How to use Organifi Like a Pro.") I cover all the products taste, benefits, and even all the creative ways I use each one! For peak immune system intelligence, I have 2 capsules of AHCC® daily. It's the most clinically researched functional food in the world, made from the mycelium(roots) of Shiitake mushrooms! With 32 years of research, it's effective at fighting: cancer, HPV, hepatitis, HIV, autoimmune disorders, diabetes, Lyme, cardiovascular disease, influenza, seasonal allergies, fatigue and more! *The information I share on this podcast is not intended to be or substitute for medical advice. Please keep the care of your doctor and refer to him/her for proper diagnosis of any disease or condition.
Creators of CLEARstem Skincare, Danielle Gronich and Kayleigh Clark, are here to answer all of our questions about skincare, how diet affects your skin, hormones, and acne treatments. Follow Kayleigh and Danielle: Website: clearstemskincare.com Take the Skin Quiz: https://clearstemskincare.com/skin-quiz/ Pore-Clogging Ingredients: https://clearstemskincare.com/pore-clogging-ingredients-list/ San Diego Acne Clinic: https://www.instagram.com/sandiegoacneclinic/?hl=en Brand Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/clearstemskincare/?hl=en Kayleigh’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kayleigh.christina/?hl=en Danielle’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielle.nicole.g/?hl=en Thanks to our great sponsors: Atlas Coffee Club, Onekind, and Pill Club Follow Us: Instagram: www.instagram.com/candicekayla/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/CandiceKayla Website: www.candicekayla.com
IN THIS EPISODE YOU'LL LEARN ABOUT: How to balance showing your struggles and highlights on social media Kayleigh's biggest productivity hacks and how she balances her hustle How you can create your own morning routine What to do when you can feel stress, anxiety, or depression coming on What to look for in skincare products MEET KAYLEIGH CLARK: Kayleigh Christina Clark is the co-founder of CLEARstem, a former acne sufferer and a passionate health nutritionist who found her calling when she finally found her cure for acne and other health issues through nutrition and CLEARstem. Kayleigh is a skin care and nutrition expert on a mission to help acne sufferers finally find answers and feel confident in their skin. She is also the author of Healing with Apple Cider Vinegar: 115 Recipes for Health, Beauty, and Home. RESOURCES: CLEARStem Skincare Website CLEARStem Skincare Instagram Kayleigh's Instagram Balancing Your Hustle Podcast Enneagram Test Quinton Hypertonic Seawater FELIX FORTIS FAVORITES & LINKS: Hey there, lovely lady! Are you feeling empowered to join forces and work together?! My 1:1, Felix Fortis Golf Fitness Academy is OPEN FOR ENROLLMENT! Yay!! Here is your chance to finally have it all, tone up, increase confidence, and feel SO STRONG! 90 days from now, you will have accomplished SO. MANY. THINGS. and I can't wait to help you! Click HERE to apply and chat with me and let's see if this is a great fit for you!
Today we speak with Danielle, who is the owner of San Diego Acne Clinic, and her partner Kayleigh. Danielle knows first hand how much time and energy it takes to regain control of your skin. Her and Kayleigh work together to create an anti-acne diet and helpful supplements and skincare to keep your skin clear. In today's episode, we talk about How to finally get rid of acne by avoiding pore clogging skin care What hormone disrupters in skin care are and how they affect your health Their best tips for youthful and healthy skin How to prevent aging from the outside And so much more! You can find the full show notes here: martinafink.com/podcast/86 Do you know your wellness archetype? Take the free quiz here: martinafink.com/quiz
On this week's episode of Under the Influence Podcast, Whitney welcomes San Diego's own Kayleigh Clark. Kayleigh is the Co-Founder of Clear Stem skin care, a product line of skincare that she helped engineer and design around her own journey to finding perfect skin. She is also the co-host on Balancing Your Hustle Podcast. We chat Kayleigh's journey through health and wellness and balancing her daily hustles! She provides amazing value and tips on how to live a life full of balance all while striving to do what you love!
Today I'm chatting with Kayleigh Clark, co-founder and COO of CLEARstem Skincare and co-host of Balancing Your Hustle Podcast! In this episode, Kayleigh and I discuss probiotics in skincare, the benefits of mandelic acid, and scams with skincare products. Kayleigh discusses what she's learned from running a business, how to properly make business connections, the "5-minute favor," asking questions with purpose, and more. For more from Kayleigh, head to her website, kayleighchristina.com! You can also find her on Instagram (@kayleigh.christina) and YouTube (Kayleigh Christina). Make sure you head to clearstemskincare.com to learn more about CLEARstem! You can also listen to Kayleigh on the Balancing Your Hustle Podcast, and you can also hear Kayleigh on episode 44 of this podcast. For more from Christina, head to her website, christinaricewellness.com, to find her services, blog, programs, and ebooks. If there's a question you'd like answered or a topic you'd like discussed on the podcast, send it in to podcast@christinaricewellness.com! Don’t forget to join the Facebook group, Wellness Realness Podcast Tribe, to meet other podcast listeners! This podcast is sponsored by the Primal Health Coach Institute. Health coaching is on the rise, but not all coaching programs are the same. The Primal Health Coach Institute is a health coach program centered on ancestral health principles, a scientifically-validated wellness plan that mimics that of our primal ancestors and supports our genetic evolutionary blueprint with real-food eating, inspired movement and play, and stress-reduction and balance in all aspects of life. To get your free ebook about how to become a health coach or to learn more about the program, head to primalhealthcoach.com/realness. Ready to enroll? Use the code "COACH200" to get $200 off at signup! Want in on all of the health benefits of mushrooms?! Functional mushrooms like Reishi, Chaga, Cordyceps, and Lion's Mane have been used for medicinal purposes for centuries. With Four Sigmatic products, we can now easily take advantage of mushrooms' many health benefits for immunity, energy, longevity, and more. Four Sigmatic makes drinking mushrooms and superfoods delicious and easy with their Mushroom Coffees, Mushroom Superfood Blends, and Mushroom Elixirs! Head to foursigmatic.com/crw to check out all of their products, and use the code "CRW" for 15% off all purchases on their site! If you love desserts but want to avoid the sugar and sweeteners, pick up a copy of Christina's new ebook, #NoSugarNoProblems Part 2! This ebook contains over 30 paleo dessert recipes (most are also vegan) that contain absolutely no sugar or sweeteners - no stevia, xylitol, erythritol, maple syrup, honey, dates, bananas, or other sugar substitutes. Perfect if you're keto, low-carb, on a gut-healing diet, looking to balance your hormones, or trying to break your sugar addiction! Grab your copy at bit.ly/nsnp2 and use the code "wellnessrealness" for 20% off! If you're a woman looking to learn everything about using the Paleo lifestyle to reach your health goals , sign up for Christina's online course, The Paleo Women Lifestyle Program! This course has hours of video lectures, audio lectures, and PDFs that cover nutrition, fitness, sleep, stress management, balancing hormones, self love, cooking and grocery shopping, and more. You can sign up at bit.ly/paleowomenlifestyle. If you're finally ready to reach your fitness goals, check out the MAPS programs from Mind Pump Media at www.mindpumpmedia.com/christinaricewellness. You can use the code "WELLNESS" for 10% off! I recommend MAPS Anabolic to anyone who goes to the gym and wants something that will increase their strength and fitness levels while also reducing body fat, and I recommend MAPS Anywhere if you're looking for a program that doesn't require a gym and focuses more on bodyweight exercises. Interested in switching to safer beauty products to protect your health? Shop at beautycounter.com/christinarice for safer skincare, makeup, hair care, and more! If you need help with color matching or product recommendations, feel free to reach out to Christina. You can email her at christina@christinaricewellness.com. If you want to change your life with essential oils, head to bit.ly/doterrachristina to get started! Feel free to email Christina to learn more about how doTERRA essential oils can transform your health! If you're not sure where to start with essential oils, head here. Do you love Primal Kitchen Foods products as much as Christina?! If you want to stock up on healthy paleo mayo, salad dressings, bars, collagen, and more, use the code "WELLNESS" for 10% off your Primal Kitchen order! Are you a health coach, NTP, nutritionist, or just interested in wellness, and want to turn your passion into a thriving business and work from anywhere?! You NEED to check out my friend Amie Tollefsrud's online course, Digital Nomad Nutritionist, to learn how to build up your online nutrition business and finally make your side hustle your full-time gig! This is a 100% self-paced online course that will teach you EVERYTHING you need to know to create a thriving business and finally be your own boss. You'll learn how to distinguish yourself from other health/wellness blogs and websites, set up your website, email list, and blogging strategy, find your niche, expand your email list, grow your social media, build a personal brand without a designer, and much much more! For $100 off the course, head to bit.ly/digitalnomadCR! I cannot recommend this course enough. If you're still using olive oil from the grocery store, STOP!!! To snag some of my FAVORITE olive oil, head to kasandrinos.com and use the code "WELLNESS" for 10% off your entire order! You can count on Kasandrino's for pure olive oil that tastes amazing and that you can trust to be 100% real! If you'd like to support the show, you can do so by shopping through our Amazon link. All you have to do is do your regular Amazon shopping through this link or by clicking the button below, and a small amount of your total order will go towards the show's production, at no extra cost to you! If you haven’t already, be sure to SUBSCRIBE on iTunes and/or Stitcher to keep up with new episodes! And leave a rating and review to show the show some love!
Today I'm chatting with Kayleigh Clark, co-founder and COO of CLEARstem Skincare and co-host of Balancing Your Hustle Podcast! In this episode, Kayleigh and I discuss getting overwhelmed with messages and emails, mistakes entrepreneurs make, and time management. We also talk about what it's been like building a brand, working with influencers, and sponsoring podcasts. Kayleigh shares more about her journey starting a skincare company, what CLEARstem does, if toners are worth it, pH balanced skincare, and more. For more from Kayleigh, head to her website, kayleighchristina.com! You can also find her on Instagram (@kayleigh.christina) and YouTube (Kayleigh Christina). Make sure you head to clearstemskincare.com to learn more about CLEARstem! You can also listen to Kayleigh on the Balancing Your Hustle Podcast, and you can also hear Kayleigh on episode 44 of this podcast. For more from Christina, head to her website, christinaricewellness.com, to find her services, blog, programs, and ebooks. If there's a question you'd like answered or a topic you'd like discussed on the podcast, send it in to podcast@christinaricewellness.com! Don’t forget to join the Facebook group, Wellness Realness Podcast Tribe, to meet other podcast listeners! This podcast episode is sponsored by Beekeeper's Naturals, a wellness company specializing in innovative nutraceuticals made from healing hive compounds and plant-based ingredients. At Beekeeper's Naturals, they're harnessing the power of the beehive to share a line of effective supplements and remedies to solve modern health challenges. Make sure you check out their Propolis Throat Spray (nature's antibiotic), B.Powered Superfood Complex, B.LXR Brain Fuel, and more! Head to beekeepersnaturals.com/CRW and use my code "CRW" for 15% off! This podcast episode is sponsored by Ned, a wellness brand that offers a range of full-spectrum hemp products including hemp oil, lip balms, and body butter. CBD oil can help with inflammation, anxiety, insomnia, depression, chronic pain, and more, and Ned full-spectrum hemp oil is my favorite CBD. You can order hemp oil from helloned.com and use the discount code "WELLNESS" for 15% off! Want in on all of the health benefits of mushrooms?! Functional mushrooms like Reishi, Chaga, Cordyceps, and Lion's Mane have been used for medicinal purposes for centuries. With Four Sigmatic products, we can now easily take advantage of mushrooms' many health benefits for immunity, energy, longevity, and more. Four Sigmatic makes drinking mushrooms and superfoods delicious and easy with their Mushroom Coffees, Mushroom Superfood Blends, and Mushroom Elixirs! Head to foursigmatic.com/crw to check out all of their products, and use the code "CRW" for 15% off all purchases on their site! If you love desserts but want to avoid the sugar and sweeteners, pick up a copy of Christina's new ebook, #NoSugarNoProblems Part 2! This ebook contains over 30 paleo dessert recipes (most are also vegan) that contain absolutely no sugar or sweeteners - no stevia, xylitol, erythritol, maple syrup, honey, dates, bananas, or other sugar substitutes. Perfect if you're keto, low-carb, on a gut-healing diet, looking to balance your hormones, or trying to break your sugar addiction! Grab your copy at bit.ly/nsnp2 and use the code "wellnessrealness" for 20% off! If you're a woman looking to learn everything about using the Paleo lifestyle to reach your health goals , sign up for Christina's online course, The Paleo Women Lifestyle Program! This course has hours of video lectures, audio lectures, and PDFs that cover nutrition, fitness, sleep, stress management, balancing hormones, self love, cooking and grocery shopping, and more. You can sign up at bit.ly/paleowomenlifestyle. If you're finally ready to reach your fitness goals, check out the MAPS programs from Mind Pump Media at www.mindpumpmedia.com/christinaricewellness. You can use the code "WELLNESS" for 10% off! I recommend MAPS Anabolic to anyone who goes to the gym and wants something that will increase their strength and fitness levels while also reducing body fat, and I recommend MAPS Anywhere if you're looking for a program that doesn't require a gym and focuses more on bodyweight exercises. Interested in switching to safer beauty products to protect your health? Shop at beautycounter.com/christinarice for safer skincare, makeup, hair care, and more! If you need help with color matching or product recommendations, feel free to reach out to Christina. You can email her at christina@christinaricewellness.com. If you want to change your life with essential oils, head to bit.ly/doterrachristina to get started! Feel free to email Christina to learn more about how doTERRA essential oils can transform your health! If you're not sure where to start with essential oils, head here. Do you love Primal Kitchen Foods products as much as Christina?! If you want to stock up on healthy paleo mayo, salad dressings, bars, collagen, and more, use the code "WELLNESS" for 10% off your Primal Kitchen order! Are you a health coach, NTP, nutritionist, or just interested in wellness, and want to turn your passion into a thriving business and work from anywhere?! You NEED to check out my friend Amie Tollefsrud's online course, Digital Nomad Nutritionist, to learn how to build up your online nutrition business and finally make your side hustle your full-time gig! This is a 100% self-paced online course that will teach you EVERYTHING you need to know to create a thriving business and finally be your own boss. You'll learn how to distinguish yourself from other health/wellness blogs and websites, set up your website, email list, and blogging strategy, find your niche, expand your email list, grow your social media, build a personal brand without a designer, and much much more! For $100 off the course, head to bit.ly/digitalnomadCR! I cannot recommend this course enough. If you're still using olive oil from the grocery store, STOP!!! To snag some of my FAVORITE olive oil, head to kasandrinos.com and use the code "WELLNESS" for 10% off your entire order! You can count on Kasandrino's for pure olive oil that tastes amazing and that you can trust to be 100% real! If you'd like to support the show, you can do so by shopping through our Amazon link. All you have to do is do your regular Amazon shopping through this link or by clicking the button below, and a small amount of your total order will go towards the show's production, at no extra cost to you! 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