Podcasts about body keeps

In this episode, we dive deep into nervous system regulation, how chronic illness and trauma keep the body stuck in survival mode, and how to rewire your brain for healing, peace, and aligned action. Tiffany shares her personal healing journey with lupus, explains the Safe & Sound Protocol, and offers tangible practices to shift from “fight or flight” to “rest and digest.”Resources Mentioned:

In the wake of updates to Child Safety Standards emerging from Australia's Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, Mirriam Francis wrote to Victoria's Commission for Children and Young People outlining the ways in which she sees Scientology teachings and practices to be violating these standards. While concepts of religious freedom and choice can muddy the waters of certain discussions around coercive organisations, Mirriam sees the regulations and laws to protect children as a key lens through which such practices need to be viewed and pursued. She speaks from personal experience that spans three countries.Links:Child Safe Standards — Commission for Children and Young People Victoria (you can raise a concern here); Queensland Family & Child Commission (you can raise a concern here)Child Safe Scheme — NSW Office of the Children's Guardian (you can raise a concern here)Australian Child Safe Standards – A State By State Guide 2024 — Safe Space LegalRage Against the Dark Arts — Mirriam Francis' SubstackThetans in Young Bodies — Season 2, Episode 1 of Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath in which Mirriam Francis featuresReport of the Board of Enquiry into Scientology — by Kevin Victor Anderson, Q.C., the State of Victoria, Australia, 1965The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma — by Bessel van der Kolk, Penguin, 2015Truth and Repair: How Trauma Survivors Envision Justice — by Judith Lewis Herman, Basic Books, 2023Dianetics excerpt re: 7-year-old child responding to kiss from adult maleA Children of God message to members mentioning their "friends in Scientology"Introduction to Scientology Ethics High CrimesYou can support us on Patreon. Sarah's book Do As I Say is available on audiobook. Subscribe and support the production of this independent podcast, and you can access early + ad-free episodes at https://plus.acast.com/s/lets-talk-about-sects. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This episode has been re-edited in order to remove the COSA Speaker share at the request of our guest. This new redux episode has the intro and outro without the main speaker share. Links mentioned in this episode: Step Workbook Event April 5th: This live Zoom workshop is your opportunity to learn how to implement a 32-week Stepwork Workbook model that is already transforming meetings—including SAA Durbanville (Cape Town), where five step work groups have launched, and nearly all members are now actively working the steps. For Zoom info, email: saa.recovery.za@gmail.com More info here: https://step-by-stepaprogramofrecovery.godaddysites.com/   The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.   YouTube Links to music in this episode (used for educational purposes): TOOL - Culling Voices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj3IbZV_YQM   Be sure to reach us via email: feedback@sexaddictsrecoverypod.com If you are comfortable and interested in being a guest or panelist, please feel free to contact me. jason@sexaddictsrecoverypod.com SARPodcast YouTube Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn0dcZg-Ou7giI4YkXGXsBWDHJgtymw9q   To find meetings in the San Francisco Bay Area, be sure to visit: https://www.bayareasaa.org/meetings To find meetings in the your local area or online, be sure to visit the main SAA website: https://saa-recovery.org/meetings/   The content of this podcast has not been approved by and may not reflect the opinions or policies of the ISO of SAA, Inc.

In this episode of The InspirED Podcast, Andrea exposes the systemic barriers that keep women financially vulnerable and deliver actionable strategies to build economic resilience, advocate for change, and create pathways to true financial independence.. . . EPISODE CHAPTERS0:00 - Intro1:02 -  Financial Vulnerability2:30 -   Understand the System4:13 - Wealth Represents Security5:08 -  The Motherhood Penalty6:50 - Consequences of Economic Inequality10:01 - The Body Keeps the Score11:42 - The Glass Ceiling13:58 - Structural Barriers16:35 -  Getting Comfortable with Concepts18:56 - Salary Negotiation20:49 - Power of Connection22:22 - Financial Freedom is not Selfish . . . RESOURCES ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Get info about our upcoming Mastermind cohort!. . .CONNECT WITH KANDULA⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kandula Blogs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. . .ABOUT ANDREA DE LA CERDAAndrea De La Cerda is a highly accomplished communications professional with over 25 years of experience in the fields of advertising, communications and marketing. Throughout her career, Andrea has held key positions in renowned advertising agencies, brand consultancies and in-house marketing departments before creating Kandula. She possesses a deep understanding of consumer behavior and market trends, allowing her to develop innovative communication strategies that resonate with diverse audiences. Andrea received both her B.A. in Advertising and Business Administration and a M.A. in Education from Pepperdine. She is currently pursuing her Accreditation in Public Relations and is a member of PRSA.Sign up for Andrea's monthly newsletter, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Insights for Systemic Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.. . .WORK WITH USKandula works with nonprofits, entrepreneurs, educational institutions, and established brands dedicated to expanding their influence and amplifying their impact through purpose-driven communication strategies. Reach out to work with us!

The moment you choose to change your relationship to money is the moment you change every single generation ahead of you. In this episode of Finding Brave, top financial wellbeing speaker, multi-award-winning Financial Coach, and international author Catherine Morgan joins us to talk about a vitally important topic: when money feels dangerous and how to heal our survival response to wealth. A Financial Wellbeing Speaker, multi-award-winning Financial Coach, and international author of the bestselling book It's Not About the Money, Catherine presents a trauma-informed psychological approach to money. As the founder of The Money Panel®, Catherine trains financial professionals through her acclaimed Financial Coach Certification program, and works with consumers through empowering courses and retreats.  Recognized as one of the top 32 female entrepreneurs by Business Leader, her expertise has been featured in a wide array of top media and her podcast It's Not About The Money is in the top 0.5% in the world. Catherine's journey into financial coaching began with her own realization of how emotions and money are deeply connected. She unpacks the hidden blueprint of abundance that we inherit, particularly from maternal relationships, and how these subconscious beliefs can impact our financial well-being. We also discuss the core beliefs that influence financial health, as well as the new paradigms of wealth, expansion, and contraction. Catherine sheds light on the powerful emotions of shame and guilt around money, how they manifest in the body, and the essential practice of reclaiming your worth beyond financial status. Finally, Catherine offers a simple yet transformative piece of advice that is relevant for everyone, no matter where they are in their financial journey. Through forgiveness work and deep self-acceptance, she reveals how we can release financial fear and step into a healthier, more empowered and loving relationship with money. If you're ready to shift your financial story and experience and embrace true wealth as it feels most heart-aligned for you, this episode is a must-listen.   Key Points From This Episode:  Welcome to Catherine Morgan, who is also featured in the Finding Brave Episode 205 and 206 in our 2-part series about Building Financial Wellbeing Into the Heart of Your Life and Work. [02:11] Catherine's first experiences of the connections between emotions and money. [06:20] The blueprint of abundance that we inherit from our maternal relationships. [12:11] Core beliefs that influence your financial health and more. [19:30] New paradigms of wealth and money and what it means to expand and contract with wealth. [26:04] Understanding that “you are not your money” - observing shame and guilt about money in the body and reclaiming your worth beyond money. [34:23] A potent piece of practical advice that is relevant for every individual on a way to recognize and heal your relationship with money. [40:27] Defining wealth on a personal level, beyond financial success. [45:25]   For More Information: Catherine Morgan Catherine Morgan on XCatherine Morgan on Instagram Catherine Morgan on LinkedIn The Money PanelWealthy Women Community   Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: Catherine's Quiz, What's Your Money Storytypes? Maria Nemeth's Book, The Energy of Money: A Spiritual Guide to Financial and Personal Fulfilment Bessel van Der Kolk's Book, The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and the Body in the Healing of Trauma The HearthMath Institute   ——————— READY FOR A HUGE PERSONAL SHIFT TO ACHIEVE MORE SUCCESS, IMPACT AND FULFILLMENT IN YOUR CAREER THIS YEAR?  Work with Kathy and get hands-on, transformative CAREER & LEADERSHIP GROWTH COACHING SUPPORT today!   Join me today in one of my top-requested career and leadership growth 1:1 coaching programs and take 20% off the price this week with coupon code ‘FBRAVE20 as my thank-you for tuning in today.! 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Join us in this recording for Part 1 of the Bay Area SAA/COSA Quarterly Speaker meeting as Peter shares about his experience in recovery in COSA, growing up with a family that was distant and violent and how his qualifier led him to recovery.   Links mentioned in this episode: Step Workbook Event April 5th: This live Zoom workshop is your opportunity to learn how to implement a 32-week Stepwork Workbook model that is already transforming meetings—including SAA Durbanville (Cape Town), where five step work groups have launched, and nearly all members are now actively working the steps. For Zoom info, email: saa.recovery.za@gmail.com More info here: https://step-by-stepaprogramofrecovery.godaddysites.com/   The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.   YouTube Links to music in this episode (used for educational purposes): TOOL - Culling Voices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj3IbZV_YQM   Be sure to reach us via email: feedback@sexaddictsrecoverypod.com If you are comfortable and interested in being a guest or panelist, please feel free to contact me. jason@sexaddictsrecoverypod.com SARPodcast YouTube Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn0dcZg-Ou7giI4YkXGXsBWDHJgtymw9q   To find meetings in the San Francisco Bay Area, be sure to visit: https://www.bayareasaa.org/meetings To find meetings in the your local area or online, be sure to visit the main SAA website: https://saa-recovery.org/meetings/   The content of this podcast has not been approved by and may not reflect the opinions or policies of the ISO of SAA, Inc.

Hello, and welcome to Entangled! The podcast where we explore the science of consciousness, the true nature of reality, and what it means to be a spiritual being having a human experience.I'm your host, Jordan Youkilis, and in this episode, I'm joined by Brad Yates, founder of Tap with Brad. In this conversation, Brad describes his journey from actor to hypnotherapist to coaching with the healing modality of tapping. Brad explains how tapping helped cure his chocolate cravings, and the relationship between tapping, acupuncture, and energy meridians.Next, we discuss Emotional Freedom Techniques and how tapping serves to release stress. We then talk about the reluctance of Western medicine to incorporate Eastern energy healing, and proceed with a live demonstration of tapping, which Brad considers a form of energy hygiene. We experiment with tapping as a means of breaking addiction. We consider the importance of loving yourself, and of integrating your spiritual and physical bodies. Brad highlights how self-sabotage is simply a misguided form of self-love.We then discuss the release of trauma at subluxated points in the nervous system, with a specific focus on the connection between my right foot and feelings of wrath. We consider how we humans have a tendency to push people away from us as a defense mechanism. We end the discussion on God, love and worthiness.This outro is titled: “Tapping: Emotional Freedom Techniques”. Music from the show is available on the Spotify playlist “Entangled – The Vibes”. If you like the show, please drop a 5-star review and subscribe on Substack, Spotify, X, Apple or wherever you listen to podcasts.Please enjoy the episode!Music: Intro: Ben Fox - "The Vibe". End Credits: TEO – “Tarantella Napoletana”.Outro: “Tapping: Emotional Freedom Techniques”.Recorded: 6/26/24. Published: 3/25/25.Check out the resources referenced:* Tap With Brad: https://www.tapwithbrad.com/* The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk: https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit entangledpodcast.substack.com

In this episode of Act Three, hosted by Cara Gray, we delve into a captivating conversation with Alicia Johnson, a writer and transformation specialist. Alicia discusses her upcoming book, 'Buried Treasure,' which blends memoir and practical guidance for trauma recovery through wonder and self-revelation. She also shares her inspiring journey of returning to the modeling industry with Ford Models, breaking barriers as a mature, curvy model. Join us as Alicia talks about her approach to aging, her work in personal and professional renewal, and her exciting future projects, including her forthcoming novel 'Hudson.' Plus, insights on how to plan and intentionally design your third act of life.   00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Message 00:24 Guest Introduction: Alicia Johnson 02:18 Alicia's Modeling Journey 03:06 The Ford Modeling Agency Story 08:59 Representation and Aging in Fashion 15:29 Alicia's New Home Plans 20:23 Back to the Book: Wonder-Based Trauma Recovery 21:00 Personal Trauma and Lifelong Research 21:33 Synthesizing Research During Covid 23:27 The Role of Play and Imagination in Healing 24:32 The Body Keeps the Score 25:57 Making Friends with Your Brain 29:36 Understanding Personal Trauma 32:37 Transformational Projects and Brand Strategy 38:02 Future Projects and Personal Growth 45:12 Conclusion and Final Thoughts To purchase Alicia's Books or connect with her:  https://www.aliciaellejohnson.com/ Forbes Article: How Mature, Plus-size Models are Creating Their Own Runways https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristenphilipkoski/2025/01/30/how-mature-plus-size-models-are-creating-their-own-runways/ This podcast is sponsored by Good Morning Freedom, my consulting practice. I help executives and professionals plan the non-financial part of their retirement, like how to discover new purpose and how you want to spend your time. I offer a 1:1 third-act blueprint package where we work together to discover some new avenues of exploration for your Act Three. This coaching is completely custom and will provide you with a ton of resources and support as you transition to this new stage of life. For all the details, please go to goodmorningfreedom.com. Connect with Cara on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caraliveslife/ or Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caraliveslife/

Calling all SUYLers… Warrior Nick Garros is back for another hilarious and divinely timed episode! Join Julia and Nick as they unveil The Ten Commandments of Shaking Up Ya Life and counsel past and future shakestresses on their journeys. Digressions include Nick's updates from the dildo factory, society's declining birth rates, and living full time in Colonial Williamsburg. This is a teaser for a Patreon-exclusive episode. To listen to the full episode and access over 50 bonus episodes, mediasodes, and monthly zoom hangs visit patreon.com/binchtopia and become a patron today.  

Suzanne O'Sullivan is a neurologist who sees many patients with psychosomatic disorders. Their symptoms may be psychological in origin, but their pain is real and physical — and the way we practice medicine, she argues, is making those and other health problems worse. SOURCES:Suzanne O'Sullivan, neurologist and author of The Age of Diagnosis How Our Obsession with Medical Labels Is Making Us Sicker. RESOURCES:The Age of Diagnosis: How Our Obsession with Medical Labels Is Making Us Sicker, by Suzanne O'Sullivan (2025)."Associations of Depression, Anxiety, Worry, Perceived Stress, and Loneliness Prior to Infection With Risk of Post-COVID-19 Conditions," by Siwen Wang, Luwei Quan, Jorge Chavarro, Natalie Slopen, Laura Kubzansky, Karestan Koenen, Jae Hee Kang, Marc G. Weisskopf, Westyn Branch-Elliman, and Andrea Roberts (JAMA Psychiatry, 2022)."How beliefs about coronavirus disease (COVID) influence COVID-like symptoms? – A longitudinal study." by Liron Rozenkrantz, Tobias Kube, Michael H Bernstein, and John D.E. Gabrieli (Health Psychology, 2022)."Risk factors for worsening of somatic symptom burden in a prospective cohort during the COVID-19 pandemic," by Petra Engelmann, Bernd Löwe, Thomas Theo Brehm, Angelika Weigel, Felix Ullrich, Marylyn Addo, Julian Schulze Zur Wiesch, Ansgar Lohse, and Anne Toussaint (Frontier Psychology, 2022).The Sleeping Beauties: And Other Stories of Mystery Illness, by Suzanne O'Sullivan (2021).Brainstorm: Detective Stories from the World of Neurology, by Suzanne O'Sullivan (2018)."The Trauma of Facing Deportation," by Rachel Aviv (The New Yorker, 2017).It's All in Your Head: True Stories of Imaginary Illness, by Suzanne O'Sullivan (2015).The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma, by Bessel van der Kolk (2014)."Explaining the Rise in Youth Suicide," by David Cutler, Edward Glaeser,and Karen Norberg (National Bureau of Economic Research, 2001). EXTRAS:Counted Out, documentary (2024)."Bringing Data to Life," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023)."Adding Ten Healthy Years to Your Life," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023)."America's Math Curriculum Doesn't Add Up," by Freakonomics Radio (2019).Race to Nowhere, documentary (2010).Data Science for Everyone.

March is a weird one. It's the start of spring, a time for new beginnings, but for host Caitlin Fisher, it's also a heavy traumaversary—marking seven years since leaving an abusive relationship. In this episode, Caitlin unpacks what healing looks like (spoiler: it's pretty messy), how trauma responses sneak into even the most mundane moments, and what it's like to be in a healthy relationship while still unlearning old survival patterns.TL;DR: Expect deep feels, a little self-compassion pep talk, and maybe even a “Wow, I thought it was just me” moment! 

Parenting Through Betrayal: Helping Children When You're in Chaos   In this episode of the Human Intimacy Podcast, Dr. Kevin Skinner and MaryAnn Michaelis discuss one of the most challenging aspects of betrayal—parenting while navigating your own trauma. When betrayal shakes a relationship, children often experience the ripple effects, sometimes without fully understanding what's happening. The conversation explores the deep shame that both betrayed and betraying parents often feel, the impact of unspoken emotional tension on children, and the long-term effects of parental betrayal on a child's development.   Dr. Skinner shares personal experiences and insights on how betrayal influences family systems, emphasizing the importance of open, age-appropriate communication with children. MaryAnn highlights key strategies for disclosing difficult truths while prioritizing a child's emotional well-being. The episode also offers guidance on avoiding parentification, navigating parental shame, and maintaining connection despite emotional overwhelm.   The conversation underscores the importance of not only individual healing but also addressing the broader family system to foster resilience and long-term healing.   --- Recommended Resources   Books & Articles: 1. Mending a Shattered Heart – Edited by Stefanie Carnes, PhD      A guide for partners navigating betrayal trauma, with a chapter on how and what to disclose to children.  2. The Power of Attachment – Diane Poole Heller, PhD      Explores attachment trauma and how showing up even 30% of the time can foster secure connections.  3. The Body Keeps the Score – Bessel van der Kolk, MD      Insights on how trauma is stored in the body and its impact on emotional regulation.   4. Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal – Dr. Kevin Skinner      A deep dive into betrayal trauma and strategies for healing.   Practical Tools for Parents:   EMDR Therapy –      Consider finding an EMDR therapist to help process trauma and unspoken memories that may impact parenting.*   Family Dialogue Guidelines:    - Keep disclosures age-appropriate.      - Avoid using children as emotional supports.      - Validate their feelings and reassure them that they are loved.      - Offer ongoing opportunities for discussion, rather than one-time conversations.   --- Special Offer   Human Intimacy Conference – March 14-15, 2025   Listeners can register with the coupon code Podcast50 for 50% off and receive a free Human Intimacy course of their choice.  --- This episode is a must-listen for parents navigating betrayal trauma, offering compassionate guidance on maintaining connection with children while processing personal pain.

Top 10 Life-Changing Books: Recommendations from Transformational ShamansIf you would like to learn more please book a Discovery Call here: https://kellesparta.com/discovery-call/In this episode, Kelle Sparta, a Transformational Shaman, alongside spiritual and paranormal coach Joshua Radewan, share their top 10 book recommendations that can change your life.Key Topics Include:'Illusions' by Richard Bach'Outwitting the Devil' by Napoleon Hill'The Celestine Prophecy' by James Redfield'The Big Leap' by Gay Hendricks'Will I Ever Be Good Enough?' by Karyl McBride'You Can Heal Your Life' by Louise Hay'The Body Keeps the Score' by Bessel van der Kolk'Conversations with God' by Neale Donald Walsch'Creative Visualization' by Shakti GawainThe works of Scott Cunningham00:00 Introduction and Host Introduction00:22 A Near-Death Experience01:30 Guided Meditation for Trauma04:04 Top 10 Life-Changing Books04:16 Book 1: Illusions by Richard Bach05:22 Book 2: Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill06:59 Book 3: The Way of the Peaceful Warrior07:54 Book 4: The Celestine Prophecy09:35 Book 5: The Big Leap10:46 Book 6: Will I Ever Be Good Enough?12:00 Books 7 & 8: You Can Heal Your Life and The Body Keeps the Score13:30 Book 9: Conversations with God15:18 Book 10: Creative Visualization by Shakti Gawain16:41 Bonus: Scott Cunningham's Magical Works17:36 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsKeywords:top 10 spiritual booksmetaphysical books for self-discoveryhow to awaken spiritually through readingbooks to transform your mindsetmust-read books for conscious entrepreneurslife-changing books for deep healingsubconscious reprogramming through booksspiritual enlightenment reading listbest books for overcoming fearancient wisdom books for modern seekersspiritual book recommendationspersonal development podcastmust-read books for healerstransformational shaman podcasthealing trauma through booksspiritual awakening book listlaw of attraction booksmetaphysical teachingswhite water rafting near death storyenergy healing through literatureempowering books for lightworkersself-help books for transformationspiritual coaching with booksraising your vibration with knowledgemind-expanding books for seekersLicensing and Credits:“Spirit Sherpa” is the sole property of Kelle Sparta Enterprises and is distributed under a Creative Commons: BY-NC-ND 4.0 license. For more information about this licensing, please go to www.creativecommons.org. Any requests for deviations to this licensing should be sent to kelle@kellesparta.com. To sign up for, or get more information on the programs, offerings, and services referenced in this episode, please go to www.kellesparta.com.

SummaryPs. LaValley preaches on trauma, the significance of Jesus' physical body, the reality of sin, and the hope found in the resurrection. The conversation emphasizes the connection between trauma and sin, the role of the church in healing, and the importance of community and faith in overcoming life's challenges.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Next Gen Friday02:51 The Power of Preaching and Personal Experiences05:53 Understanding Trauma and Its Impact08:54 The Significance of Jesus' Physical Body11:45 The Reality of Sin and Its Effects14:58 The Resurrection and Its Importance17:47 The Body Keeps the Score: Trauma and Healing21:03 The Role of the Church in Healing24:14 The Connection Between Trauma and Sin26:59 The Hope Found in Christ30:09 Conclusion: The Power of Community and FaithTakeawaysThe body keeps the score of our experiences.Sin takes root in our physical bodies, affecting our lives.Jesus Christ's death was essential for our salvation.The resurrection of Jesus is the foundation of our hope.Trauma can be trapped in our bodies, affecting our behavior.The church plays a crucial role in healing and community.Understanding trauma helps us empathize with others' struggles.We are part of the body of Christ, which gives us purpose.The blood of Jesus has the power to heal and redeem.It takes a church to support and uplift one another.Show NotesALL PROCEEDS GO TO WORLD EVANGELISMLocate a CFM Church near you: https://cfmmap.orgWe need five-star reviews! Tell the world what you think about this podcast at:Apple Podcasts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://apple.co/3vy1s5bPodchaser: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/taking-the-land-cfm-sermon-pod-43369

In this episode, we dive deep into somatic therapy with Hala Khouri—the key to healing beyond traditional talk therapy. We explore how the body holds trauma, the power of rewilding, and how reconnecting with our physical selves can transform mental health. Hala Khouri  IG: @halakhouri_somatics ==== Thank You To Our Sponsors!  Jaspr Go to jaspr.co/DRG and use code DRG for $300 off for a limited time. Puori  Click here https://puori.com/drg and use code DRG for 20% off the already discounted subscription prices. ==== Timestamps: 00:00:04 - Introduction to Somatics and Mental Health 00:02:12 - Somatics: Finding Home in Your Body 00:07:49 - Rewilding Ourselves: Reconnecting with Ancient Practices 00:13:15 - The Wisdom Within: Honoring Your Body's Needs 00:16:49 - The Body Keeps the Score: Imprints of Experiences 00:22:52 - Finding Purpose When Your Nervous System is Dysregulated 00:29:01 - Physical Healing Through Somatic Practices 00:34:17 - Strengthening Relationships Through Deeper Feelings 00:42:52 - Bringing More Community to Ourselves 00:49:02 - Leaning into What Feels Good and Safe 00:54:23 - Signs That Somatic Process is Working 00:58:52 - Where to Find Hala

Did you know that trauma and stress don't just affect your emotions but can also be stored in your body—especially in your spine? How can we release this tension and improve our overall well-being? In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Lauren Stefanik, a chiropractor at Wellness Rhythms, to explore the powerful connection between stored trauma and physical health. Drawing inspiration from The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, Dr. Stefanik explains how everyday stressors and past trauma manifest physically, leading to discomfort and emotional imbalances. We dive into Network Spinal chiropractic, a gentle technique that helps release tension in the spinal cord, promoting higher energy states and better health. Dr. Stefanik also shares her journey into this integrative healing approach and emphasizes the importance of self-compassion, body awareness, and open communication for overall well-being. If you're looking for ways to release stored tension, enhance your health, and embrace a holistic approach to healing, this conversation is one you won't want to miss! --- Listen to the podcast here: Healing Trauma Through the Body with Dr. Lauren Stefaniuk Welcome to Action's Antidotes, your antidote to the mindset that keeps you settling for less. Recently, I read a book called The Body Keeps Score, which talks a lot about the idea of all of our traumas, everything happening in our past, regardless of what it is, kind of being stored in our body, this is oftentimes things that we sometimes tend to forget about, forget about how it's continuing to impact our lives, such as continued patterns in our childhood that we kind of lived through or even other kind of more acute lived experiences that could be one car accident when you're 16 and now you're 35 so it doesn't really become something you think about in a lot of your minds. Now, there's been some study about how some of these subconscious patterns continue to emerge through some subconscious programming, but here today, I'm here to talk to you a little bit more about how the body itself keeps score, how certain parts of the body kind of retain the memories of these traumas and how it can still be impacting what we're doing today and how we're showing up in everything around. And to facilitate this conversation, I'd like to invite on my guest, Dr. Lauren Stefaniuk with Wellness Rhythms. She is a doctor of chiropractic services. ---   Dr. Lauren Stefaniuk, welcome to the program.   Hi, Stephen. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really grateful that you have this awesome podcast and that you've given me the opportunity to be on it. And, yeah, I do network spinal as a doctor of chiropractor.   We're talking about how the body keeps score, and your focus specifically is on how the spine has kind of kept score of some of these traumas or other items from our past.    Yeah. So, what we like to say is that what goes to the back of the mind tends to go to the spine and so what Network Spinal is specifically helping people realize is that there's events that happen in our life, whether you call them stressors or traumas or just stressful events, your body actually doesn't really know the difference between a massive stressor like something that we usually, quote-unquote, call “trauma,” or the small kind of everyday stressors, where we're stressing to get to work on time or we have a deadline or our dog is barking at us and we don't know why. Your nervous system actually doesn't know the difference between a massive stressor and a small stressor. It really responds in the exact same way and, sometimes, that is responding by going into fight or flight. So, when we go into fight or flight, there's a lot of things that people realize happens. So, your eyes, your pupils are going to dilate, your breath becomes a little bit more shallow and more rapid, your heart rate becomes more rapid, your muscles tense, all of those things people recognize,

Send us a textWhat if you could heal trauma and emotional pain through movement? Join us as dance movement therapist Lisa Manca, alongside guest co-host Courtney Romanowski, unveils the transformative power of dance therapy. Lisa brings her expertise from forensic and psychiatric settings, offering unique insights into how movement can aid personal growth and healing. We tackle the challenges mental health professionals face in intense environments like prisons, revealing the unexpected benefits of dance therapy in helping individuals, including inmates, reconnect with their humanity amidst administrative hurdles.Explore the profound connection between movement, therapy, and trauma as we discuss how specific movements can safely channel emotions and promote healing. Lisa shares how modifying posture and engaging in dance can influence emotional states, offering a therapeutic approach that sometimes surpasses verbal methods. Drawing on insights from literature like "The Body Remembers" and "The Body Keeps the Score," we delve into the neurobiological aspects of how the body retains memories and how dance therapy can facilitate emotional release and foster a sense of safety.In our final segment, we explore the role of dance therapy workshops in workplace wellness, emphasizing the importance of maintaining personal boundaries and recognizing movement biases. Lisa and Courtney share personal anecdotes and professional challenges, shedding light on the misconceptions surrounding dance therapy, especially for young female clinicians. As we wrap up, we express our gratitude to our guests for their invaluable contributions and tease our next exciting topic on rebranding. Reach Lisa at http://www.lisamanca.com or search for her with Somatic Therapy San FranciscoReferences:American Dance Therapy AssociationThe Body Remembers by Babette RothschildThe Body Keeps The Score by Bessel Van Der KolkNichols, Ebony, "Moving Blind Spots: Cultural Bias in the Movement Repertoire of Dance/Movement Therapists" (2019). Expressive Therapies Capstone Theses. 150. https://digitalcommons.lesley.edu/expressive_theses/150Freed.ai: We'll Do Your SOAP Notes!Freed AI converts conversations into SOAP note.Use code Steve50 for $50 off the 1st month!Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showYouTube Channel For The Podcast

There are whispers of a place—an unseen archive where every thought, every decision, every soul's journey is etched into existence. Some call it the Akashic Records, an infinite library beyond time and space, containing the secrets of the past, present, and even the future.  In this episode of The Language of Love Conversation, I'm joined by Daniela Gil—an intuitive healer, psychic, and guide known as the “psychic's psychic” and “healer's healer.” She works with the Akashic Records, plant medicine, and spiritual transformation, helping people connect with their divine essence. Daniela shares her journey as a highly sensitive child, the challenges she faced with mental health and addiction, and how plant medicine helped her reclaim her gifts. We explore the healing power of sacred plants and how they deepen our connection with ourselves, Pachamama (Mother Earth), and the divine. Whether you're curious about the Akashic Records, plant medicine, or finding your path to healing, this conversation will leave you inspired. In this episode, Daniela and I explore: The Akashic Records and how they can guide us The role of Wachuma, Ayahuasca, and Dieta in spiritual healing Overcoming fear, building faith, and living in love Soul contracts, twin flames, and the deeper nature of relationships Daniela's journey from struggle to spiritual awakening The transformative power of facing death and embracing change If you're feeling drawn to Daniela's work, you can connect with her on Instagram and explore all that she offers on her website. Daniela also hosts transformative retreats in Peru, where she works with sacred plants like Wachuma and Ayahuasca to guide deep healing and spiritual growth. And if the Akashic Records intrigue you, she also offers courses and mentorship programs to help you access and understand this powerful source of wisdom. Looking for more insight? Check out these powerful reads: The Map of Consciousness by David Hawkins and The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk. And if you're craving even more guidance, be sure to visit my website, where you'll find free resources tailored to support your unique journey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Featuring Danielle Carr on the history and present state of American unwellness and how that's been shaped by psychiatry, prescription drugs, neuroscience, popular culture, smartphones and social media. We trace the rise of psychiatry as a Gilded Age human science, the disastrous contradictions of asylum deinstitutionalization, the invention of neuroscience and deep brain stimulation, Elon Musk's Neuralink fraudulence, how Adderall made the Internet run, the liberal gospel of traumatic literalism recounted in The Body Keeps the Score, and the scientific Bonapartism of RFK Jr.'s medical freedom movement. Buy Empire of Normality at Plutobooks.com Buy Perfect Victims and the Politics of Appeal at Haymarketbooks.com Support The Dig at Patreon.com/TheDig Check out our vast archives and newsletters at thedigradio.com

Feeling overwhelmed by endless scrolling? Discover how a faith-based digital detox can help you reclaim peace of mind. In today's hyperconnected world, our minds are constantly bombarded by notifications, newsfeeds, and endless scrolling. But is social media helping us—or hurting us? Dr. Greg Bottaro sits down with Darrell Miller of MAX Studios to explore the mental, emotional, and spiritual effects of digital overload. Together, they discuss why social media fuels anxiety and comparison, and how faith-based mindfulness can help us unplug and reconnect with real life. Key Topics: The hidden mental health costs of digital overload How dopamine addiction keeps us glued to our screens Why social media fuels anxiety, comparison, and loneliness How faith & mindfulness offer a Catholic alternative to secular digital detox trends Practical steps to set healthier tech boundaries—without missing out Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome & Introduction 07:30 – How Social Media Affects Mental Health 12:48 – Faith & Mental Well-being 14:25 - Helping Children with Anxiety 21:30 – Social Media Causing Loneliness 35:50 – A Catholic Digital Detox Plan Learn More: MAX Studios at the University of St. Thomas, Houston, creating innovative digital content. Duc In Altum Schools – Supporting Catholic educators and fostering faith-based education. The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt – A book exploring the impact of social media and digital culture on mental health. Bad Therapy by Abigail Shrier – A book examining modern therapy trends and their effects on mental well-being. The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk – A book on trauma, stress, and how the body holds psychological distress. Catholic Mindfulness Program – Dr. Greg Bottaro's mindfulness approach integrating Catholic faith and psychology. The Church and the Internet  – Vatican document on the internet and technology use. Follow Us on Socials: Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter (X) | LinkedIn

This week on Behavior Bitches, we're talking all things neurofeedback with Julie Bucalos! Ever wish you could just train your brain to chill out or focus better? Neurofeedback might be the game-changer you didn't know you needed. Julie breaks down how it works and how it can seriously improve your mental game. It's science meets self-care, and it's way cooler than you think. Listen in for a raw, real conversation about how to level up your brain.Behavior Concepts Covered:Confounding VariablesPrivate EventsOperant ConditioningDataPunishmentReinforcementExternal ValidityCircular ReasoningReplacement BxFunction of BxDiscrete Trial TrainingJoint AttentionAutomaticity of R+Bx MomentumGeneralizationWant to Connect with Julie?WebsiteFacebookinfo@brainboostmidwest.com The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk M.D.Support us at patreon.com/behaviorbitchespodcastInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches Podcast

Featuring Danielle Carr on the history and present state of American unwellness and how that's been shaped by psychiatry, prescription drugs, neuroscience, popular culture, smartphones and social media. We trace the rise of psychiatry as a Gilded Age human science, the disastrous contradictions of asylum deinstitutionalization, the invention of neuroscience and deep brain stimulation, Elon Musk's Neuralink fraudulence, how Adderall made the Internet run, the liberal gospel of traumatic literalism recounted in The Body Keeps the Score, and the scientific Bonapartism of RFK Jr.'s medical freedom movement. Buy Empire of Normality at Plutobooks.com Buy Perfect Victims and the Politics of Appeal at Haymarketbooks.com Support The Dig at Patreon.com/TheDig Check out our vast archives and newsletters at thedigradio.com

In this episode hosts Amy Christenson and Brian Bowen celebrate their return from a brief hiatus by sharing their personal top 10 book recommendations for personal development, health, and wellness.They explore various books ranging from ancient philosophies like the Dao De Jing to modern self-help classics by authors such as Brendan Burchard, Mel Robbins, and Jay Shetty. The episode covers topics like mindfulness, mental wellness, resilience, personal empowerment, and holistic health, ensuring there's something valuable for everyone. Tune in to get inspired and discover your next great read for 2025! 00:00 Welcome to All Things Good for You Podcast00:42 Catching Up After a Break01:25 Upcoming Workshops and Events02:09 Favorite Books for Growth and Inspiration04:21 Book Recommendations for 202505:42 Diving into Personal Transformation09:37 Exploring Emotional and Physical Healing31:13 The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins37:11 Introduction to Gut Health40:38 Exploring Whole Brain Living44:23 Empowerment and Boundaries45:44 Positive Intelligence and Mental Habits51:21 Liberated Love and Relationship Insights53:49 The Power of One More57:50 Quick Book Recommendations01:03:58 Women's Health and Empowerment01:07:07 Final Book Recommendations01:10:08 Conclusion and Podcast Teasers  Transformative Books for Personal Growth and Self-Discovery in 2025The pursuit of self-enhancement is infinite, and literature remains one of the most valuable resources in this path of personal discovery and enlightenment. If you're eager to delve into an enriching collection that encourages growth, self-awareness, and transformation, have a look at these 20 carefully curated books.These titles have been discussed in-depth on the All Things Good for You podcast, where hosts Amy Christensen and Brian Bowen share their insightful takes on ancient traditions and modern practices in health, wellness, and personal development. 1. **Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself by Dr. Joe Dispenza**   Tune into the power of thought and intention to recreate the version of yourself that you desire by shifting cognitive patterns and habitual actions. 2. **The Molecule of More by Daniel Lieberman**   Explore how dopamine drives ambition, decision-making, and emotional fulfillment while providing insights into managing this neurotransmitter effectively. 3. **The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk**   This essential read examines the profound ways trauma affects the body and mind, offering a holistic approach to healing through various therapeutic methods.4. **Gut Feelings by Dr. Will Cole**   Functional medicine insights are provided in this guide that underscores the significance of gut health in overall emotional and physical well-being. 5. **Boundary Boss by Terri Cole**   Discover how to identify, establish, and maintain boundaries that protect your emotional and mental energy while enhancing relationships and personal growth.6. **The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins**   A simple yet powerful philosophy on acceptance and emotional freedom that involves letting others be themselves and allowing yourself the grace to find peace. 7. **Whole Brain Living by Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor**   Explore the four distinct characters in our brain that influence our thinking and behaviors, through the lens of someone who experienced a life-changing stroke.8. **Positive Intelligence by Shirzad Chamine**   Uncover ten mental saboteurs that create doubt and anxiety, and use the sage's powers to foster a positive, productive mindset. 9. **We Are the Human by Tracy Litt**   Receive nurturing insights on self-love and self-worth, empowering you to embrace your intrinsic awesomeness.10. **Liberated Love by Mark Groves and Kylie McBeath**   This book speaks to romantic and personal relationships, guiding you towards mastering your actions, feelings, and traumas for healthier interactions. 11. **Grit by Angela Duckworth**   Understand the power of perseverance and passion in achieving lifetime goals, moving beyond natural talents through hard work.12. **Upshift by Ben Rammel**   Turn pressure into performance through innovative turns in thinking and strategies when faced with life's challenges. 13. **The Dao De Jing by Lao Tzu**   Dive into timeless wisdom on balance, flow, and humility using nature as a metaphor for personal growth and harmony.14. **Think Like a Monk by Jay Shetty**   Blend ancient philosophies with modern psychology to develop peace and purpose every day, inspired by the author's monastic experiences. 15. **The Motivation Manifesto by Brendon Burchard**   Reclaim your freedom with practical tools that enhance personal power and help overcome doubt, delay, and division.16. **The Power of One More by Ed Mylett**   Crystallize the concept of doing just one more to enhance your practice and performance in all areas of life.17. **Roar Revised by Dr. Stacey Sims**   A crucial guide focused on women's unique physiological and athletic health distinctions that defies the traditional male-centric studies.18. **The Well Lived Life by Dr. Gladys McGarey**   Celebrating a centenarian's journey in natural healing and holistic medicine with wisdom on living a connected and purposeful life.19. **Love Does by Bob Goff**   Explore profound life lessons on love as active and intentional, leading to a more purposeful life driven by curiosity and joy.20. **The Charge by Brendon Burchard**   Identify and harness the ten core human drives to unleash a more vibrant, charged life filled with purpose and enthusiasm.Explore these transformational reads and ignite a new chapter of growth and self-fulfillment for the upcoming year and beyond. Whether in personal pursuits or professional development, these books provide a spectrum of strategies and inspirations to elevate your journey.Embrace the ideas, learn, and persist—ready, set, go! All Things good For You

Jala is joined by Desirée to discuss types of trauma, methods of coping and more. They also discuss the book The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D. This episode is primarily a book report of: The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D. (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/313183/the-body-keeps-the-score-by-bessel-van-der-kolk-md/) Links & Articles * Desirée recommends the works of Oliver Sacks (https://www.oliversacks.com/books-by-oliver-sacks/) * Trauma | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/trauma) Related episodes: * Episode 3: Diversity, Equity, Inclusion & Belonging (DEIB) (https://www.jalachan.place/3) - discussion of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion & Belonging (DEIB): what it is, why it's important for everyone, how to approach it, what to do when you make a mistake, and more. * Episode 27: Death Positivity (https://www.jalachan.place/27) - discussion of the death positive movement, The Order of the Good Death, and that one time Cameron faceplanted directly into the chest cavity of an embalmed corpse. * Episode 42: Empathy & Emotional Intelligence (https://www.jalachan.place/42) - discussion of empathy, emotional intelligence, and why they are so crucial especially in these constantly-connected times. * Episode 58: Burnout (https://www.jalachan.place/58) - discussion of burnout, current work culture and the economy through the lens of history. Support this show via Ko-fi! Just like Patreon, there are subscription tiers (with bonus content!) in addition to the ability to drop us a one-time donation. Every little bit helps us put out better quality content and keep the lights on, and gets a shout out in a future episode. Check out ko-fi.com/fireheartmedia (https://ko-fi.com/fireheartmedia) for the details! Don't forget to rate & review us on your podcasting platform of choice~ Jala Prendes Bluesky - @jalachan (https://bsky.app/profile/jalachan.bsky.social), Bluesky - @fireheartmedia (https://bsky.app/profile/fireheartmedia.bsky.social) The Level (https://thelevelpodcast.com/hosts/jala) Desirée Neyens Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/dneyens.bsky.social) Twitter (https://twitter.com/dneyens) Special Guest: Desirée Neyens.

In this deeply moving episode, we welcome Maggie Parr, author of A Creator's Guide to Stopping Self-Harm, who shares her extraordinary four-decade journey to healing from self-injury. Maggie offers a transformative perspective on overcoming self-harm through creativity, self-discovery, and psychological insight. Her book, blending memoir with therapeutic tools, empowers individuals affected by self-harm and the professionals who guide them. Drawing from the wisdom of The Artist's Way and the profound insights of The Body Keeps the Score, Maggie's work provides a roadmap for healing—one that encourages personal transformation through the healing power of creative expression. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about how creativity can not only save lives but also serve as a powerful tool for recovery and self-empowerment. https://stoppingselfharm.com/ https://www.facebook.com/MaggieParrArt https://www.instagram.com/maggieparrart/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/maggieparr/ BOOKS A Creator's Guide to Stopping Self-Harm Your Brain on Art The Body Keeps the Score Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind

In this powerful episode, Shanenn opens up about childhood trauma and how it shapes our relationship behaviors through hypervigilance.Episode HighlightsThe development of hypervigilance as a childhood survival skillHow childhood experiences with alcoholic parents can create heightened threat detection systemsWhy hypervigilance often gets mistaken for good intuitionThe physical and emotional toll of maintaining constant vigilanceKey Insights70% of children from alcoholic homes develop hypervigilant traits that persist into adulthoodOur body's stress response system gets programmed in childhoodEmotional threats are processed by our bodies the same way as physical threatsHypervigilance can create false beliefs and misinterpretation of neutral situationsReferences Mentioned"The Body Keeps the Score" by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk - Purchase BookPlease note, I am an Amazon affiliate and I may receive a commission if you purchase this book from this linkBehind Your Jealous Mind Bootcamp - Register hereAny issues with registration reach out to support@topself.comCall to ActionJoin the Behind Your Jealous Mind Bootcamp for:- Access to the Overthinkers Toolkit- 21 days of core wound reprogramming- Daily check-ins and support- Private session included- Workbook and guided meditation resourcesTime Stamps[00:00:00] Introduction and welcome[00:01:22] Personal story about childhood trauma[00:05:04] Development of hypervigilance as a survival skill[00:06:21] Scientific explanation of threat detection systems[00:09:15] Research on childhood trauma and relationship hypervigilance[00:15:07] Difference between curiosity and hypervigilance[00:17:06] Body tension awareness exercise[00:21:12] Reference to "The Body Keeps the Score" exercises[00:22:18] Information about the bootcamp program[00:25:52] Closing thoughts and practical steps forward

Today, I am speaking with Yaz Porritt of Yorkshire Pooches Therapies. Yaz is a Canine Massage Therapist and Applied Herbal Choices Consultant who specialises in a whole-dog and whole-person approach to canine pain management and support. Pain is a complex topic, and we definitely dive deep. This is a really special conversation where we talk about pain from a variety of perspectives, including more of the energetic and mystical aspects of how and why the body stores trauma, in addition to the more “practical” aspects of pain. As Yaz says, we have to look at pain as having both physical and emotional experiences of pain, and we have to recognise that the body keeps the score well after a painful incident has occurred. This is where complementary support like zoopharmacognosy or Reiki, and other healing modalities can be really helpful. Yaz shares: * Her Four Pillars of Pain and how you can use these to better understand what is going on with your dog * Holistic approaches to pain management * Supporting joint health and pain through nutrition Yaz also talks about how a behaviour like resource guarding might actually have a pain problem at its root, and how changes in your dog's fur direction can be a subtle sign that your dog is in pain. She also gives a rundown on what to do about the top 3 joint issues you guys share with me: * hip dysplasia * osteoarthritis * luxating patellas And we cover some of the most common supplements and pharmaceutical options you may come across, to help you make more informed decisions. As you can see, this is a chock full episode that I know you are going to love! If you enjoy a whole-dog, whole-person approach to your dog's health with a spiritual touch like we talk about today, come join Stacey Renphrey of Hozho Hounds and me in our brand new F.E.T.C.H. community where we'll share with you the very same framework we use in our canine nutrition practices to help get to the root of health challenges and get your dog on the pathway to optimal health. If you want to know more: DM me on Instagram https://instagram.com/mysticdogmama Comment on YouTube Send me a message on my website https://mysticdogmama.com To connect with Yaz: https://www.yorkshirepooches.co.uk/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/yorkshire.pooches Yaz's pain diary: Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/4a9z1uv Bessel van der Kolk's book ‘The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma'  Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/4j3fobt These are affiliate links. If you choose to purchase using them, the podcast will receive a commission at no cost to you.

Trauma has become a buzzword in the zeitgeist over the years, but do we really understand what it means and how it impacts the body? Dr. Sanjay Gupta sits down with psychiatrist Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, author of The Body Keeps the Score, to explore what both psychologists and the public often get wrong about trauma—and why he believes our bodies hold the key to healing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We'd love your feedback! What resonated for you in this episode? What do you want more of?Explore the transformative power of creativity as a tool for processing emotions and reclaiming your identity after abuse. Learn how engaging in creative expression can help rewire your brain, improve your mood, and reconnect you to your true self.We'll dive into:Why creativity is particularly powerful for survivors of trauma.Insights from The Body Keeps the Score on how trauma affects brain function.How creative outlets like art, writing, and movement can help you reframe your story and build resilience.Overcoming perfectionism and embracing the healing power of the creative process.This episode includes real-life examples of creative healing and actionable steps to start your own creative journey today.Key Takeaways:Creativity engages the right side of the brain, enabling you to process trauma in ways that words alone cannot.Artistic expression can help you find new strengths, reframe your narrative, and celebrate progress in your healing journey.You don't need to be an artist—just willing to explore and experiment.Register HEREI want to help you jumpstart your healing process, no matter where you are on your healing journey, with evidence- based practices that I have seen work for survivors in this new, transformative workshop.This workshop is for you if: You have survived an abusive relationship and set the goal to move forward on your healing journey in 2025. Whether you are in the thick Please leave us a review or rating and follow/subscribe to the show. This helps the show get out to more people.If you want to chat more about this topic I would love to continue our conversation over on Instagram! @risingbeyondpcIf you want to support the show you may do so here at, Buy Me A Coffee. Thank you! We love being able to make this information accessible to you and your community.If you've been looking for a supportive community of women going through the topics we cover, head over to our website to learn more about the Rising Beyond Community. - https://www.risingbeyondpc.com/ Where to find more from Rising Beyond:Rising Beyond FacebookRising Beyond LinkedInRising Beyond Pinterest If you're interested in guesting on the show please fill out this form - https://forms.gle/CSvLWWyZxmJ8GGQu7Enjoy some of our freebies! Choosing Your Battles Freebie Canned Responses Freebie Mic Drop Moments Freebie ...

Dr. Bessel van der Kolk wrote the brilliant book The Body Keeps the Score. Your body holds the story of your life journey and gives you keys to healing. But your body is not limited to the effects of your past. It is still evolving with you as you write the next pages and chapters of your life. If you have ever looked in a mirror and not like what you've seen, or if you disconnect from your body in order to push through day-to-day, or you disregard your physical self-care, it's time to reconnect and acknowledge your body as your friend - your best friend - traveling this journey with you, experiencing this life alongside you in partnership, learning, evolving, and growing with you.In this Meditation & Healing Circle, we make our way home to ourselves to reconnect with our bodies in friendship, kindness, love, and partnership and set a course to evolve and grow together, strengthening the relationship along the way. Listen to this episode to travel through 7 keys to develop a healthy relationship between your conscious body and your physical body. You're invited to join us LIVE for The Meditation & Healing Circle - every Sunday at 10am US ET / 7am US PT. When you join live, you can stay on after the recorded meditation for Q&A, support and discussion. https://CommunityforConsciousLiving.com

People who have profound learning disabilities are at greater risk of trauma and that is why Rachel, Sarah and Lucy are joined today by the brilliant Dr. Julie Calveley on The Skies We're Under Podcast. Julie has a passion for supporting the wellbeing of those with the most profound disabilities and talks to Rachel about how parent carers and professionals can not only support wellbeing but mitigate against the potential for trauma.  You can find out more about Julie's work and Nurturing Affective Care here where you will find a fantastic offer for family members - the trauma course is reduced from £35 to £8. Simply email julie@nacwellbeing.org to access that brilliant offer. Resources also mentioned in the episode include: The Body Keeps the Score Brene Brown Books (including Atlas of the Heart) In addition, Rachel and Sarah are looking forward to meeting up and having a right royal snore fest… who is going to snore the loudest though? We'd love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly. You can leave a message with us in a number of ways: Firstly you can leave a message using speakpipe here: SpeakpipeTSWU  (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds) You can send us a voice note from your phone to our email address at tswupodcast@gmail.com Or, if the thought of hearing your own voice gives you ‘the ick', then send us an email to tswupodcast@gmail.com Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) . Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen.  We're so happy that The Skies We're Under is a free, independent podcast. Any sponsorship received is used to cover the costs of the production of episodes and compensate our valuable guests for their time. The hosts provide their time and efforts for free. They do, however, appreciate any offers of caffeination to keep them going – you can buy them a cuppa here…  Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

Learn the skills to Regulate your Emotions, join the membership: https://courses.therapyinanutshell.com/membership Download the PDF Workbook that goes with this video: Therapy Modalities for Healing Trauma https://courses.therapyinanutshell.com/pl/2148622299 I think a lot of people are intimidated by “The Body Keeps the Score”, to be honest I was too. It's pretty long, and it has a lot of triggering examples of real-life trauma. But it's a great book for understanding how trauma affects the brain and body and that's probably why it's been on the NYT bestseller list for like 5 years! And also that's probably because trauma affects all of us, and Psychiatrist Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk has written the modern user's guide to understanding it. There's so much to talk about with Trauma and PTSD and the book is over 350 pages long, so I'm going to summarize the essentials without the triggering bits.  Looking for affordable online counseling? My sponsor, BetterHelp, connects you to a licensed professional from the comfort of your own home. Try it now for 10% off your first month: https://betterhelp.com/therapyinanutshell Learn more in one of my in-depth mental health courses: https://courses.therapyinanutshell.com Support my mission on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/therapyinanutshell Sign up for my newsletter: https://www.therapyinanutshell.com Check out my favorite self-help books: https://kit.co/TherapyinaNutshell/best-self-help-books  Therapy in a Nutshell and the information provided by Emma McAdam are solely intended for informational and entertainment purposes and are not a substitute for advice, diagnosis, or treatment regarding medical or mental health conditions. Although Emma McAdam is a licensed marriage and family therapist, the views expressed on this site or any related content should not be taken for medical or psychiatric advice. Always consult your physician before making any decisions related to your physical or mental health. In therapy I use a combination of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, Systems Theory, positive psychology, and a bio-psycho-social approach to treating mental illness and other challenges we all face in life. The ideas from my videos are frequently adapted from multiple sources. Many of them come from Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, especially the work of Steven Hayes, Jason Luoma, and Russ Harris. The sections on stress and the mind-body connection derive from the work of Stephen Porges (the Polyvagal theory), Peter Levine (Somatic Experiencing) Francine Shapiro (EMDR), and Bessel Van Der Kolk. I also rely heavily on the work of the Arbinger Institute for my overall understanding of our ability to choose our life's direction. And deeper than all of that, the Gospel of Jesus Christ orients my personal worldview and sense of security, peace, hope, and love https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/believe If you are in crisis, please contact the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or your local emergency services. Copyright Therapy in a Nutshell, LLC

Bessel van der Kolk is a Dutch psychiatrist, author, researcher and educator. Since the 1970s his research has been in the area of post-traumatic stress. He is the author of The New York Times best seller book “The Body Keeps the Score.” He has spent his career studying how children and adults adapt to traumatic experiences, and has translated emerging findings from neuroscience and attachment research to develop and study a range of treatments for traumatic stress in children and adults. Much of his research has focused on how trauma has a different impact at different stages of development, and that disruptions in care-giving systems have additional deleterious effects that need to be addressed for effective intervention. In order to promote a deeper understanding of the impact of childhood trauma and to foster the development and execution of effective treatment interventions, he initiated the process that led to the establishment of the National Child Traumatic Stress Network (NCTSN), a Congressionally mandated initiative that now funds approximately 150 centers specializing in developing effective treatment interventions, and implementing them in a wide array of settings, from juvenile detention centers to tribal agencies, nationwide. He has focused on studying treatments that stabilize physiology, increase executive functioning and help traumatized individuals to feel fully alert to the present. https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/resources/scientific-publicationshttps://time.com/6998595/bessel-van-der-kolk-trauma-profile/Click here to send us a text. Also, our book “Pulled By The Root” is available at https://www.pulledbytheroot.com/bookhttps://www.pulledbytheroot.com/

New Year's resolutions often focus on self-improvement, but what about improving your most important relationship—your marriage? In this episode, we explore how to set a powerful intention for a healthy, thriving marriage in 2025. Using the G.R.E.A.T framework, I share practical steps to grieve past hurts, reflect on your role in your relationship, embrace your current reality, act on needed changes, and cultivate gratitude. Along the way, I draw from personal experiences, biblical wisdom, and coaching insights to inspire you to take actionable steps toward a stronger connection with your spouse. What You'll Learn in This Episode: G: Grieve what you've lost and release it to move forward. Why it's essential to process your emotions and let go of old expectations. Key insights from Proverbs 14:13 and "The Body Keeps the Score." R: Reflect on your contributions to your marriage. How taking responsibility for your part empowers you to grow. The importance of self-awareness and learning the 5-finger apology. E: Embrace where you are in your marriage. The power of accepting your circumstances while trusting God's plan. Personal stories of perseverance, hope, and seeing the forest beyond the trees. A: Act on what you need to do to make your marriage better. Breaking free from destructive habits and excuses. Why reaching out for help is a courageous and transformative step. T: Thankfulness is the key to a thriving relationship. How gratitude fosters intimacy, reduces stress, and strengthens commitment. Eye-opening research and actionable tips for expressing appreciation daily. Bible Verses Referenced: Lamentations 3:22-23 Proverbs 14:13 Matthew 7:3-5 Philippians 4:6 1 Chronicles 16:34 Key Takeaways: Change starts with you. When you commit to personal growth, your marriage will transform. Gratitude is a powerful tool that shifts your focus from entitlement to appreciation, enhancing emotional connection. You're never too far gone to rebuild your relationship! Resources Mentioned: Dr. Andrea Vitz's Emotional Sobriety Course The Divorce-Proof Marriage Coaching Program (link to your coaching program) Action Steps: Reflect on your own role in your relationship—journal about areas where you can improve. Practice daily gratitude by writing down 3 things you appreciate about your spouse. If you're ready to take your marriage to the next level, email me at coaching@recognizingpotential.com to schedule a session. Join the Movement: If this episode resonated with you, please leave a review and share it with your friends. Screenshot this episode, post it on social media, and tag me @divorceproofmarriage. Together, we can create a ripple effect that strengthens marriages and reduces the divorce rate worldwide. Ad Info: Good Kind Book: spiritual habits – GoodKind Let's Connect: Instagram: @divorceproofmarriage Website: www.recognizingpotential.com Coaching Inquiries: coaching@recognizingpotential.com Thank you for tuning in! Here's to a year of growth, gratitude, and a G.R.E.A.T marriage in 2025. See you next week!

How do EMS clinicians process the trauma they witness daily—and how can they be better supported? In this episode of The EMS Educator podcast, hosts Rob Lawrence, Hilary Gates and Maia Dorsett explore the critical topic of trauma stewardship with guest Ronit Reguer, the first behavioral health coordinator for DC Fire and EMS. Together, they unpack the challenges of emotional resilience, the importance of proactive mental health care, and the cultural shifts shaping the future of first responder support. Ronit shares her experiences implementing innovative wellness initiatives, from peer support programs to “Wellness Wednesdays,” and offers powerful insights on addressing trauma before it leads to burnout. Whether you're an EMS clinician, educator, or leader, this episode delivers vital lessons on fostering a culture of care that ensures long and meaningful careers as well as healthy humans. Mentioned in the episode: Trauma Stewardship: An Everyday Guide to Caring for Self While Caring for Others by Laura van Dernoot Lipsky https://traumastewardship.com/inside-the-book/ The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748 Ginger Locke highlights the episode's key points with her "Mindset Minute." The EMS Educator is published on the first Friday of every month! Be sure to turn on your notifications so you can listen as soon as the episode drops, and like/follow us on your favorite platform. This podcast is sponsored by EMS Gives Life.  Would you consider becoming a living organ donor? For more info visit www.emsgiveslife.org Check out the Prodigy EMS Bounty Program! Earn $1000 for your best talks! Get your CE at www.prodigyems.com  Follow @ProdigyEMS on Twitter, FB, YouTube, TikTok & IG.

50-70% of people will experience a trauma in their life, but how do you heal from these devastating experiences? If the Body Keeps the Score, according to Bessel van der Kolk this is how you get even with trauma. Bessel van der Kolk is Professor of Psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine and President of the Trauma Research Foundation. He is the author of the global bestselling book ‘The Body Keeps The Score'. In this conversation, Bessel and Steven discuss topics such as, how to heal from childhood trauma, the benefits of EMDR therapy, the link between screens and loneliness, and how trauma physically changes your brain. 00:00 Intro 02:32 Bessel's Mission 03:09 What Is Trauma? 04:37 What Trauma Treatments Do You Disagree With? 06:03 Does Rationalising Your Trauma Help? 07:01 What Is Considered Trauma? 09:40 Can Small Events Lead to Trauma? 10:20 Bessel's Experience as a Psychiatrist 12:43 Bessel's Parents 15:31 Consequences of Child Abuse 16:07 Is It Important to Understand Childhood Experiences? 16:42 Was Your Mother an Incest Victim? 17:31 How Many Patients Trace Issues to Childhood Experiences? 18:01 Examples of Child Abuse 19:18 How Culture Influences Parenting 21:52 Disciplining Children 24:03 Liberation Equals Separation 25:44 What Did You Learn for Your Children? 27:01 Medical Treatment for Behavioural Dysfunctions in Children 30:36 Impact of Movement on Healing 32:00 Importance of Secure Attachment to a Caregiver 32:57 Can You Heal from Childhood Trauma? 34:32 The Body Keeps the Score 36:27 Somatic Approach to Healing 36:53 Are Women More in Touch with Somatic Healing? 38:02 Impact of Trauma on Creativity 41:14 Trauma as a Perception 45:05 How Many People Have Trauma? 45:50 How Does Trauma Affect Brain Activity? 50:00 Study: Reliving a Traumatic Event 55:13 Most Radical Improvement in Clinical Practice 55:55 EMDR 59:01 Demonstration of EMDR 1:04:12 Breath work 1:05:55 Impact of Yoga on Trauma 1:06:23 Study: Effects of a Weekly Yoga Class 1:08:09 Disconnection and Hypersensitivity 1:10:26 Impact of Physical Activity on Trauma 1:13:15 Picking Up People's Energy 1:16:01 Challenges of Individualistic Cultures 1:16:48 Role of Community and Social Connections in Trauma 1:17:37 Are Women Better at Forming Connections? 1:18:19 Building Relationships in the Army 1:19:13 Building Connections Through Sports 1:20:19 How to Get By in an Individualistic Society 1:21:13 Are You Optimistic About the Future? 1:22:12 Are You Able to Point Out Anything Good About Trump? 1:22:33 Human Inclination Toward Fighting 1:22:54 Three Ways to Reverse the Damage of Trauma 1:25:52 Types of Brainwaves 1:27:48 Psychedelic Therapy 1:28:26 Body Practices 1:29:07 Is Touch Healing? 1:29:21 Talk Therapy 1:29:46 Bessel's View on Taking Medications 1:30:08 The Bottom-Up Approach 1:31:53 Does Going to the Gym Help? 1:34:05 Bessel's View on Psychedelic Therapy 1:38:00 Effects of MDMA 1:39:25 Impact of Psychedelics on Treatment-Resistant Depression 1:40:32 Bessel's Experience with Psychedelics 1:43:11 How Did Psychedelic Experiences Change You? 1:43:48 Have You Healed from Your Trauma? 1:44:36 Psychodrama 1:49:33 The Rise in ADHD Diagnoses 1:51:45 Cause of ADHD 1:52:42 Is ADHD Over diagnosed? 1:55:21 How Can We Raise Untraumatised Kids? 1:56:24 Helping People in Traumatic Events 1:58:20 Question from the Previous Guest Follow Bessel:  Website - https://g2ul0.app.link/fJd55uRwqPb  You can purchase Bessel's book, ‘The Body Keeps The Score', here: https://g2ul0.app.link/hLePea0wqPb  Studies mentioned: besselvanderkolk.tiiny.co Get your hands on the Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards here: https://appurl.io/iUUJeYn25v You can purchase the The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards: Second Edition, here: https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb  Follow me: https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb   Sponsors: PerfectTed - https://www.perfectted.com with code DIARY40 for 40% off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A new paradigm for embodied healing in a unique, experiential, therapeutic process in which expressive movement, guided imagery, ritual, music, and creative expression work together. In Embody, Toni Bergins, the founder and creator of JourneyDance, an internationally renowned dance movement program, shares with readers a powerful way to address trauma mindfully so people can confront it, heal, and grow to love themselves unconditionally, just as they are. Embody is a dynamic, conscious practice that can help people release what no longer serves them and shows them how to stop stuffing/numbing the pain and start feeling, stop over-thinking/limiting, and get moving! Embodiment is the new buzzword in personal transformation, but, most often, it is connected to static practices like breathwork and meditation. For Toni Bergins, embodiment is best achieved through active movement, and has created a practice where people literally get out of their heads and into their bodies! Her program is a trauma-informed one that offers a new promise: leading readers through deep, personal work but making it feel like play. In this book, she turns the heaviness of processing pain and past trauma into an expressive art aligned with the most recent research. Specifically, trauma expert Bessel van der Kolk, writes in his bestselling The Body Keeps the Score, “In order to overcome trauma, people need to feel safe enough to open up their hearts and minds to others and become engaged with new possibilities. This can be done if trauma survivors are helped to confront and confess the reality of what has happened and are helped to feel safe again. In many cultures this involves communal rhythmical activities, such as dancing…” And that is Toni Bergins' mission and method: to help readers move into a new story for their lives. Embody features Toni's prescription for a comprehensive healing journey, comprised of five core elements: · Music, to open the doorways of impulse, imagination, creativity and healing to change mood and awareness; · Movement, to enhance presence and confidence, and release old patterns and traumas; · Mystical Inquiry, where imagery and creative visualization exercises are used to guide readers into an alchemic and shamanic state to investigate past hurts, and learn to trust their instincts; · Prayers and Invocations, to raise energetic vibrations to a positive place with powerful affirmations; and · Journaling, with writing prompts to process inner self-awareness learned on the dance floor or through any of the other Embody elements. Get the Book: https://www.simonandschuster.c... Website: www.journeydance.com About the Author: Toni Bergins, M.Ed., is an embodiment trailblazer who has taught at the premier holistic healing centers for the last 27 years. She is on permanent faculty at the Kripalu Center for Yoga & Health, and has worked there as a movement artist, dance educator, expressive arts workshop leader, and expert in creating transformational workshops. She has led JourneyDance programs at the renowned Esalen Institute, Omega Institute, 1440 Multiversity, The New York Open Center, Pure Yoga, Blue Spirit and countless others. Since Toni first presented her workshop at the Omega Institute in 2008, JourneyDance has become a yearly event, and is the single most sought-after form taught in Omega's on-campus Movement program, employing 10-plus JourneyDance teachers each season. Toni also writes and creates video content for her website, journeydance.com. About the show: Ash Brown is a force to be reckoned with in the world of motivation and empowerment. This multi-talented American is a gifted producer, blogger, speaker, media personality, and event emcee. 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This is our unabridged interview with Audrey Assad.“Why shouldn't I question that?”This was the question that started Audrey Assad on a journey away from the faith of her childhood and early adulthood. It's a question that, years later, is still a guiding light for her towards healing and truth-seeking.But asking such questions after years as an acclaimed singer-songwriter in the Christian music industry comes at a cost. Today, Audrey discusses her unreleased memoir “Doubt Becomes Wonder: Embracing the Loss of Everything You Thought You Knew.” They discuss healing from childhood wounds, the consequent navigation of doubt, and Audrey's experience as a woman in the church. Show Notes Resources mentioned this episode: Audrey's website "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel van der Kolk Similar NSE episodes: Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty Joy Oladokun: Listen, Love, and Turn the Other Cheek Transcript of Abridged Episode Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.

“Sometimes artists have to take a chance and be vulnerable.” Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad are two such artists, whose brilliance is in large part due to their vulnerability. Drew was once heralded by Rolling Stone as “one of Americana's most popular stars,” and yet he is quick to note that “the human heart was not built for notoriety.” He describes the complex road he took to full-time artistry, his relationship with his fans, the tragic loss of his brother, and more. Audrey found success in the Christian music industry, until her quest for authenticity and truth led her in a new direction. She shares her story, speaking honestly about traumas and doubts that brought her to where she is now. Show Notes Resources mentioned this episode: Drew's website Audrey's website "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel van der Kolk Similar NSE episodes: Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty Joy Oladokun: Listen, Love, and Turn the Other Cheek Transcription Link Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.

Imagine having a deep and difficult conversation with your loved ones which enables acceptance and forgiveness while freeing you all from shame, sadness, and dysfunction. Imagine what it would feel like to be the chain-breaker in your family. But what if you don't want to have that conversation? Or it isn't possible due to bereavement, estrangement, or adoption (or any other reason for that matter)? Family Constellation Therapy makes it possible to do the work regardless of the many reasons you might not want, or be able to broach difficult issues with your family. You don't even have to KNOW who your family is. In today's episode, I speak to Family Constellations Facilitator, Sound Therapist, Yoga and Pilates teacher, and talented singer/songwriter, Karis Bunney, who has been constellating me for the past 18-24 months. Constellating your family system can not only reveal the root cause of some of the issues and beliefs that burden you, but allow you to forgive and heal generational wounds, so you are liberated from the “disturbances” of the past, enabling yourself and future generations to continue on a pathway of growth. During this episode, Karis explains what happens during a Family Constellation session, how it works, how it can free you, and theorises on the magic that makes it all happen. We also candidly share our personal experiences and invite you to think about how this transformational, transgenerational therapy could benefit you and your future generations. Ask yourself: Have you been caught in a feedback loop, repeating past patterns with no idea WHY it is so deeply ingrained in your subconscious? Do you recognise unhealthy behaviours/ideas/beliefs you want to change but don't know where they are rooted? Are you conscious of repeating family patterns and desperate not to make the same mistakes your parents/relatives did? If you answered yes to any of the above, this episode is for you. Connect with Karis: IG https://www.instagram.com/soundingself/ FB https://www.facebook.com/yogabunney/ Website https://soundingself.wordpress.com/   LINKS Watch now: https://youtu.be/q02-BSmf8uY It Didn't Start with You: How Inherited Family Trauma Shapes Who We Are and How to End the Cycle Mark Wolynn https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26026054-it-didn-t-start-with-you The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma Bessel van der Kolk https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18693771-the-body-keeps-the-score The Science Delusion: Freeing the Spirit of Enquiry Rupert Sheldrake https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13180597-the-science-delusion Morphogenic Fieldhttps://www.sheldrake.org/research/morphic-resonance/introduction Terence McKenna - Wikipedia “McKenna saw the universe, in relation to novelty theory, as having a teleological attractor at the end of time, which increases interconnectedness and would eventually reach a singularity of infinite complexity.” RELATED EPISODES Family Synastry https://youtu.be/9_FZUYxx9tk?si=0aqiUoopcEIVYEf5 The Modes Episodes https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPnJtlrleUHNXNBSNzlxxX1ZOmo3HHrpQ&si=5ju2eeukDoeLN1ld

Bessel van der Kolk, legendary trauma expert and author of The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma reveals a revolutionary approach to healing trauma. Discover how trauma profoundly impacts the brain and body, making growth difficult by trapping us in past experiences. Explore potent mind-body practices like yoga, dance, and psychedelics that can unlock trauma's grip by igniting collective joy, self-compassion, and an expansive perspective on our vast human potential. Gain life-changing insights to feel truly alive again.You can find Bessel at: Website | Instagram | Episode TranscriptIf you LOVED this episode you'll also love the conversations we had with Ellen Hendrikson about social anxiety.Check out our offerings & partners: Join My New Writing Project: Awake at the WheelVisit Our Sponsor Page For Great Resources & Discount Codes Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Send us a textJoin us for a transformative conversation with Trisha Jamison, a relationship coach and expert in betrayal trauma, as she unveils how our bodies harbor the scars of emotional wounds. Trisha, who collaborates with Tony Overbay's "Waking Up to Narcissism" group, shares profound insights into how unresolved traumas manifest as physical ailments. Drawing from her expertise as a functional nutritionist, she guides us through understanding the nervous system's role in healing. Trisha also opens up about her personal journey, balancing a thriving career with the joys and challenges of raising six children and soon welcoming her 11th grandchild.Discover how emotional traumas, if ignored, can lead to chronic physical symptoms like migraines and digestive issues, while gaining valuable strategies for true healing. We emphasize the importance of tuning into the body's signals, a theme explored through Bessel van der Kolk's seminal work "The Body Keeps the Score." Learn how acknowledging and processing these emotions can alleviate physical discomfort and improve long-term well-being. This episode promises to equip you with the tools to foster a healthier future after experiencing betrayal, offering a blend of professional expertise and personal wisdom that's both enlightening and inspiring.Please follow me on instagram and facebook @happilyevenaftercoach and if you want to see what coaching is all about I offer a free 45 min. clarity call via zoom. Email me: hello@lifecoachjen.com for any comments or questions. Thanks for listening, please like and review as well as share with your family and friends. My website is www.lifecoachjen.com

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Tapping? EFT? What are they? In our episode this time Brad Yates will tell us all about these incredible tools and how they can benefit each of us. Brad grew up thinking he wanted to be an actor. He attended the University of California at Irvine, my alma mater. He majored in Drama.   After college he began working to create and grow an acting career. Along the way he met a woman and married her. As he worked at becoming an actor he began to feel that perhaps acting was not going to be what he should do full time.   He finally decided that helping people was his real life's calling. He took a course in hypnotherapy. He became a hypnotherapist and along the way learned about this tool called “tapping”. I get to participate in a tapping demo as you will see. Briefly, tapping utilizes many of the same techniques and areas of acupuncture, but instead of needles you use your finger tips to address certain locations on your body. Tapping is becoming more accepted as Brad proved by working with the Sacramento Drug Court for three years where he helped addicts coming out of jail to overcome life and physical challenges.   This episode is fascinating and invaluable on many levels. I hope you enjoy it and will visit Brad's website, www.tapwithbrad.com. Brad is truly unstoppable.       About the Guest:   Brad Yates has had the privilege and pleasure of working with a diverse group of clients, from CEOs to professional and NCAA athletes, from chiropractors and psychiatrists to corporate and federal attorneys, from award-winning actors to residents at a program for homeless men and women in Santa Monica. For several years he taught a weekly class using EFT and guided imagery at Sacramento Drug Court.   Brad has also been a presenter at a number of events, including several International Energy Psychology Conferences and Jack Canfield's Breakthrough to Success event. He's done teleseminars with “The Secret” stars Bob Doyle and Dr. Joe Vitale and have been a featured expert in every Tapping World Summit.   He is the author of the best-selling children's book “The Wizard's Wish”, the co-author of the best-seller “Freedom at Your Fingertips,” a featured expert in the film “The Tapping Solution” (along with Jack Canfield, Bob Proctor, Dr. Norman Shealy and Dr. Bruce Lipton), and has been heard internationally on a number of internet radio talk shows.   Brad also has over 1000 videos on YouTube, that have been viewed over 47 million times. More info is available at www.tapwithbrad.com   Ways to connect with Brad:   Website: https://www.tapwithbrad.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/tapwithbrad Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TapWithBrad Instagram: http://instagram.com/tapwithbrad TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tapwithbrad Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapwithbrad LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tapwithbrad/       About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/   https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast   If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can subscribe in your favorite podcast app. You can also support our podcast through our tip jar https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/unstoppable-mindset .   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review   Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.       Transcription Notes:   Michael Hingson ** 00:16 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Brad Yates ** 02:04 Oh, thank you so much. Michael, I'm honored to be here. And, yeah, I think it's up to 47 million now.   Michael Hingson ** 02:10 47 I was afraid that I got that wrong. Yeah,   Brad Yates ** 02:12 that's all right.   Michael Hingson ** 02:14 It's okay. It's   Brad Yates ** 02:15 a lot of time. I'm honored that that so many people have found it helpful and and then it continues to grow at   Michael Hingson ** 02:24 1000 videos. That's 47,000 views per video, so that's not too bad. Yeah,   02:30 yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 02:31 take the average. Well, I really appreciate you being here. And one other thing that Brad and I just discovered about each other is we are both graduates of UC Irvine, so we're both anteaters, and as we always say, there you go. Well, why don't we start tell us a little bit about the early Brad growing up and stuff. Yeah, why not?   Brad Yates ** 02:56 Well, so I, I went to Irvine as a drama major, because it had a really great drama department. So coming out of high school, I was an actor. What I intended to do, and got my degree in drama. It as I was just telling you, it took some a little bit of time off during college to go study acting in London. And then out of college, got a job with a traveling children's theater, traveled the world, performed in all kinds of exotic locations, like Italy, Australia, Fiji, Waukegan, Illinois, you know, hit all the big places and and then after a little bit of that, I decided it's time to go to Hollywood to go my movie star. And then while I was there, I I met a woman, fell in love and got married, and when our first child was on the way, I thought, you know, I might need a backup career. So I saw an ad for a hypnotherapy school, and I thought, wow, I've always been fascinated by the power of the mind. I'll I'll check that out, and did that, started building a small hypnotherapy practice while still pursuing my acting career. And then after a couple of years, when our second child was on the way, I realized that as much as I loved acting, doing personal development work was really my calling, that's really what I was meant to do. It just just so satisfying. So we left Los Angeles, moved up to northern California to be closer to our families, and had the kids close to their grandparents. And through some other hypnotherapists, I heard about this, this tapping thing, this energy psychology conference going on in Las Vegas. And I thought, Wow, that sounds interesting. And when we did this technique where we were just tapping using acupuncture points and tapping on our face to down regulate stress, it was just really amazing, especially when one of the examples you used was. Was he gave everybody pieces of chocolate, and we tapped on chocolate cravings. And after a couple of minutes, I could not eat the chocolate, and I didn't eat chocolate for two years after that, I eventually recovered. I got better, but so that I just thought, wow, this is an amazing technique. And I started introducing into my hypnotherapy sessions, and little they became tapping sessions and put it on YouTube, and here we are.   Michael Hingson ** 05:25 Wow. So you you use a lot of interesting techniques. Tell me about guided imagery. What is that?   Brad Yates ** 05:36 That's the the name that I give to hypnosis is still a type of hypnosis, just allowing people to go into that, that different state of mind and create images that are designed to enhance one's well being, enhance their success mindset, even enhance their unstoppable mindset, and allowing them to to find those ways of accessing more powerful and more empowering parts of themselves. So while my original sessions used to be all hypnotherapy, now I usually end a session with just what I call a guided imagery, just taking people through to use it to very nurturing process for mind and body. So   Michael Hingson ** 06:23 what is it that you do? Are they actually under hypnosis during guided imagery, or are you helping people to really learn to imagine and and use their minds to to explore images and explore whatever it is that that you're talking about without actually going through the whole hypnotic process.   Brad Yates ** 06:43 Well, I do. I start with a progressive relaxation, which is the hypnotic induction that a lot of people use. It's not the the induction. I as a hypnotherapist, I used a number of different inductions with with this, because I'm often working with large audiences, I do just a progressive relaxation, but it does take many folks into a very deep, hypnotic trance, and some others, not so much, but, but to a very relaxed place where they're more open to suggestion. And then I'll do it. It'll be a guided meditation of looking at what do they want to create, and how do they access that? And it, it's always it's always intuitive. For me, I very rarely know what I'm going to do until I start talking to them and taking them down. And then, generally, because I've done it at the end of a tapping session, and I know what the person is working on and what their challenges are, I'll generally come up with some sort of imagery that is related to what we've been working on, just sort of seal in the work that we've done with the tapping   Michael Hingson ** 07:56 well. And as long as we're doing that, then tell me about tapping. What, what that is logical. Logical thing. Since you brought it up, guided imagery.   Brad Yates ** 08:07 Mainly what I do my website is tap with Brad. So it's all about the the tapping. It based on acupuncture. So for 1000s of years in Chinese medicine, they have said there's a flow of energy through the body along these pathways that are called meridians. And when this energy is flowing naturally, we experience our natural state of health and well being, physically and emotionally. And when this energy gets stuck or disrupted, we don't feel so good, and that keeps us from thinking clearly. We don't make the best decisions, and that has all kinds of unfortunate consequences. So in traditional Chinese medicine, the doctor would stick needles in these key points along around the face and torso and the body to stimulate that healthy flow of energy. And we're just tapping with our fingertips to stimulate those same points. It's kind of a type of acupressure to get that flow of energy going. We have a growing body of scientific research validating it as a very profound tool for down regulating stress. And when you realize that stress either causes or worsens most, if not all, of the issues that trouble us, both physically and emotionally, then having a very simple tool for down regulating stress and balancing the nervous system is can be a profound benefit in in life in general, for our health and well being, but also pretty much any area of our lives.   Michael Hingson ** 09:36 So you talk about Emotional Freedom Techniques is, is essentially guided imagery, and tapping part of what that means. Well, the   Brad Yates ** 09:45 the Emotional Freedom Techniques is the is one version of the tapping modality. It was developed out of a another tapping modality called fought field therapy. The psychologist named Dr Roger Callahan and. Who had been working with this woman with a lifelong water phobia, and after working with him for a year and a half, and she was about 40, had been in therapy all of her life. After a year and a half with him, she could be outdoors near swimming pool and not have be too disturbed, but she had to be looking away from the water. But she was, you know, very, very bothered by bodies of water and any water. So he had been expanding his horizons, learning different things. Was taking a course in acupressure. And one day, he said, Well, what's the physical sensation when you have this water fear? And she said, Well, I get a knot in my stomach. And he said, Okay, well, this this key point for the stomach meridians right here under the eye. Let's see what happens if we tap there. And after just a few moments of tapping, she said, it's gone. And he said, Well, what's gone? She said, the fear. And she runs out of the house towards the swimming pool. And he's running after saying, Wait, stop. She goes, Stop, just It's okay. I know I don't know how to swim, but she got down by the pool and started splashing water in her face. And she said, this doesn't bother me at all. And naturally thought, well, this is very interesting. So he started experimenting with different patients, and found that with different emotional issues, he it was beneficial to use different points in different sequences. And within a year, he put himself out of business because all of his patients who had been coming to him on a weekly basis were now, hey, I'm fine, see ya. So he started teaching this process called that. He called thought field therapy, and one of his first students was a gentleman named Gary Craig, and you'll appreciate this. Gary got his degree in engineering. He he had his degree from from Stanford, and was very interested in personal development, and was taking this learning this process. And he said, Well, it's it. This is very complicated, coming up with these different algorithms of which points to tap in which sequences, and there's eight points that we're using. So what if we just tap these eight points top to bottom in one sequence and simplify it? You know, as an engineer trying to simplify what's there? Yeah, and found that he was getting the same great results. So he called this version of tapping Emotional Freedom Techniques. And a lot of us, the the tapping that many of us do is based on EFT there. There are sometimes some differences, because each person does it a little bit differently. So the general term over that all is, is tapping coming from my background as Hypnotherapist. I then just add on guided imagery as as part of the work that I do   Michael Hingson ** 12:43 still extremely interesting and clearly beneficial. What about how it's accepted in Western culture, Western medicine and so on? Just like acupuncture, it seems to me, there's usually a lot of resistance to some of this stuff in the in the Western world, yet it clearly works. Yeah,   Brad Yates ** 13:06 yeah. There is, there is still some resistance. There's a growing number of people who are introducing it. There are MDS and PhDs who use it. I it. One of the most flattering things for me is when I hear from a licensed therapist saying, Oh yeah, I send people to watch your videos as homework in between our sessions. So there is that, as I said, there's a growing body of scientific evidence showing it the APA, the Association of psychology, the American Psychology Association has not fully accepted, at this point as an evidence based process, a dear friend of mine in Australia, Dr Peter Stapleton, who is a clinical psychologist. She's a psychology professor at Bond University, and when she was first introduced to this, she thought, I'm a scientist. This is ridiculous. And then she experimented with and found that it was very beneficial. And she's led a lot of the research, doing research such as with cortisol levels, which is a stress hormone, where we see the dramatic reduction in cortisol after tapping. She's done fMRI studies, where you can see the brain activity and how, after the tapping, the parts of the brain that are lighting up are no longer they're now normalized. So she has, she has been working with the AP sheet. She followed all of their guidelines to to meet the criteria for evidence based practice. And they said, Well, we're changing our guidelines. She'll love it, and she's done studies with up against cognitive behavioral therapy. CBT is the gold standard of therapy, and in the studies that they did, the. EFT group got the results quicker, and the results lasted longer than CBT, but the people running that involved in CBT said, Well, when you publish the findings, you can only say that EFT was non inferior to CBT,   Michael Hingson ** 15:19 and she'll love it.   Brad Yates ** 15:21 Yeah. So little by little, little by little, we're making headway.   Michael Hingson ** 15:25 Well, so how does tapping really affect people's ability to make choices and and improve or or achieve better results in their worlds?   Brad Yates ** 15:36 Yeah? Well, when we look at it, most of the choices that we make are made on an emotional level. Well, most of the choices we make are we do unconsciously. 80 to 90% of the choices are we're doing the same choices make having the same thoughts as yesterday. And we so often make choices and we don't even realize that we're doing it. So we say we want to get healthy, but then we find ourselves halfway through a box of cookies going, ooh, how did that happen? And and it's we want to be compassionate with ourselves. So so often we beat ourselves up for these choices, but we're just trying to take care of ourselves. There's a part of us that says I'm uncomfortable. Cookies tend to make me feel better. I'm just trying to take care of myself. So we're trying to soothe an emotional discomfort, and that's what tapping does. Tapping soothes that emotional discomfort. So rather than eating doing stress eating, we can do the tapping to calm ourselves down. And then what happens when we go into stress? We go into some level of fight or flight, where the sympathetic nervous system kicks in and we're cortisol is pumping we're trying to prepare ourselves to fight or freeze. And the prefrontal cortex, our rational mind, where we make all of our best choices goes Bye, bye. Yeah. So when we're in that stress point, we're not making those good choices. But with the tapping we calm that down, we engage the parasympathetic nervous system, get our get the blood flowing back into the prefrontal cortex, and we make much better choices. So we're able to look at what do I really want in terms of my health, in terms of my well being, in terms of my finances, in terms of my career, all of that stuff, we're now able to make much better choices, and we get better results. I was talking to someone about tapping for money. I have a number of videos on money, and someone said, Now, how can tapping on your face make a difference in your financial life? I said, Well, would you agree that your behavior has something to do with your financial situation? And she's like, Well, yeah. And I said, would you agree that stress has something to do with your behavior? Yeah, okay, so therefore, ergo something that can down regulate stress can benefit how you the behavior that you have which can benefit your finances.   Michael Hingson ** 18:04 So what did she say to that? She was   Brad Yates ** 18:07 like, Well, okay, you got me. And in terms of, you know, I love the title of your show about being unstoppable, it's, it's, I did a program for a group called the unstoppable foundation that builds schools in Africa. Cynthia Kersey and I actually have a just a video that I made years ago called being unstoppable, because it's looking at what stops us. What are those things when, when we look at what we want to create and what, what's the kind of life that we want to have? And we might have some ideas, and then we say, No, I couldn't do that because of this, because of that. And and that's just we have old programming that has an emotional charge on it that creates this stress. It's like put an electric fence around us, and it stops, and we say, Oh, I can't go past this point. This is out of my comfort zone. It doesn't feel safe. And so by clearing out that stress, we expand that comfort zone, and we become more unstoppable.   Michael Hingson ** 19:16 One of the things that I have been working on is starting to help people understand that when a major crisis occurs in our life, like for me, when I was in the World Trade Center and it was attacked on September 11, so I wasn't afraid. I'm not going to say, well, I shouldn't say I wasn't afraid, but I was not and did not allow fear to overwhelm me, or, as I put it, blind me to being able to act. And the reality is that fear is something that we can control, and if we if we work at it, we can teach people that, in fact, you can use fear. Is a very powerful tool to guide you. It keeps you it can keep you more alert. It can keep you more focused, and that you don't have to be blinded or overwhelmed just because you're in the middle of a building and something happened now one, one of the things for me is that I and all the people who I was with and who were around me as we were going down the stairs. Had no idea what happened. We did figure out an airplane must have hit the building because we were smelling the fumes from burning jet fuel, but we had no idea what really happened, other than an airplane hit the building. And as I love to tell people you know, who always say to me, Well, you couldn't possibly have known because you couldn't see it. My immediate response was, you don't know what kind of imagination I have. I've been watching too much science fiction for years. You have no clue. But the reality is, of course, eyesight had nothing to do with it. The plane hit 1840 on the other side of the building, so no one knew. No one saw that. Yeah, Superman and X ray vision just aren't there, you know? But I had learned what to do. I had spent a lot of time studying, talking to the emergency preparedness people, the Port Authority, police and so on, so I knew what to do in an emergency. And the mindset kicked in, and I realized that for 22 years after that, I've not really talked to people about how they can learn to control fear, but rather I've just talked about the fact that I chose not to really be afraid. So it's it's interesting listening to you, because clearly talking about things like Emotional Freedom Techniques and especially tapping, might be a more direct way to help people really get to the point of understanding that we can control fear and it doesn't need to overwhelm us. Yeah,   Brad Yates ** 21:56 absolutely, absolutely in the moment. You know, people talk about, oh, the negative emotions like fear and anger. And I say, no, there are no negative emotions. There are uncomfortable emotions, and we don't want to stay stuck in them, but they all serve a purpose, and the so called negative emotions are our warning signals. They're there to tell us, hey, here's something you need to pay attention to, right? Just as you said. So you use fear to go, Okay, I want to pay attention. But so for me, it's like having a smoke detector in your house, and when there's it gets triggered, the alarm goes off, but the alarm is just there to tell you, hey, you need to pay attention to something. Go check if there's a fire someplace, yeah, and, and then you can put it out. But with so many of us with these emotions, especially anger, but, but in many ways, fear, with the trigger goes off and the smoke alarms going off, and we just run around going, Oh, my goodness, oh my goodness, there's an alarm going off. It's like, okay, that doesn't help. You're supposed to actually take action, so you use that as a signal to check, and you go into the kitchen go, oh, there is no fire. It's just a misunderstanding. Or, you know, it often happens when we're cooking, and the fire alarm goes off because it detects the smoke, even though there's no actual fire. So it could be just a mistake and but we are. We sometimes get so triggered that we that we go into this panic mode, and the prefrontal cortex shuts down, as I was saying earlier, and we don't think clearly, so we don't make great choices, so we the the tapping allows us to hear the alarm and calm down that panic and go, Okay, let me. Let me figure this out. And what you were saying about how you were so prepared, I think it's something they talk about in navy seals, is you don't, you don't rise to your potential. You fall to your training and and that habit, and I had, I when we when we first spoke a couple weeks ago, and I had said something about, in some ways, your lack of sight as a superpower, because you have spent, rather than being stopped you. I mean, you truly are a hero of being unstoppable in terms of, you know, what you've achieved, and the things when you talked about riding a bike, I'm like, wow, so, but because of that situation, you don't take as much for granted as as some other people. And so you had done the your your due diligence in learning the safety things and talking to Port Authority that a lot of people take for granted. And so in that moment, as you said, you, you had that training. You, you built that in. It wasn't I have to now figure out, Oh, my goodness, there's emergency let me now go look at the emergency manual that I have taken for granted. Just assume I'll be able to look at that when the time comes. You know, it's like, yeah, I. Know what to do with this, and, you know, benefited all the people that were there in your office. So, but it's, it's a great tool for, it's great tool for clearing stress that has been held in our body. You know, Dr Bessel van der Kolk the one of the premier experts in trauma. His book is called The Body Keeps the Score, so we have this stored trauma in our body, and with the tapping, we can release that. But it's also great for in the moment, having that, I have reached out and talked to some first responders about being able to having this be a tool in their tool kit, so that when they're dealing with someone who is in this elevated state of fight or flight, to be able to use this to quickly calm down the nervous system, so that they can be more present, more more able to do what they need to do and or tell what they Need to tell.   Michael Hingson ** 26:01 I like your an example or analogy of using it in comparing it to a fire alarm, because the the reality is, the fire alarm goes off and you and if you are able to not just run around, but go investigate and you discover that there is a serious fire in the kitchen or in the garage. The point is, though, that again, you can panic, or you can have spent time training and thinking about such things, and so you know what you can do and what your options are. And the reality is, that's what it's really about. You know, there was no way to control the airplanes hitting the buildings, and that happened. And of course, the buildings could have collapsed, and there we all were, and we would have been smushed, but that but until that happened, the bottom line is, that's not what was going on. And so we had the option to then choose which is the operative part of it, what to do. And for me, I made a choice because I had learned what to do. And I think that's that's the issue. And sighted people could do that as well. But as you point out, they realized so much on just Oh, I could go look at the manual. Well, that doesn't work when you have the emergency. You're already in the middle of it. Did you really prepare? And that's what people need to do a lot more of, is taking the time to really prepare. And that's why I've just written a book. It'll be published later this year, called Live like a guide dog, and it talks about controlling fear. And the reason that we titled it that was that in reality, I've used lessons I've learned from observing eight guide dogs on my wife's service dog and things that they showed at challenging times that did teach me a lot more about learning to and helping Control fear or being afraid and being able to use that fear in a in a positive and constructive way to be able to survive and move on. Yeah,   Brad Yates ** 28:09 yeah. So listening to the hearing the fire alarm and going, Oh, this is, this is telling me to go do something just like in the in the fire station, if there's a fire an alarm goes off. And because of their training, they go, Oh, time to suit up and sit up and go, yeah, not, not. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness, there's alarm going off, yeah, which is what so many of us do, because we take things for granted and and then it triggers that, that fight or flight, and we have a lot of programming about, well, if I'm not afraid, then I'm not taking it seriously. And and I'll say to folks, well, if you're crossing the street, you know, you look both ways right to make sure that it's safe to cross the street, or you wait for the walk signal. You don't, but you don't stand there and go, Okay, there's a little green man on the walk signal. I can hear the signal chirping, saying it's safe to walk. I can look both ways and see there's no traffic, but first I better get myself worked up into a panic, because otherwise I'm not really going to pay attention. Yeah, no, we just calmly walk across so we can use common sense and recognize all right. I can pay attention to what's going on and not have those elevated levels of cortisol going on, and I don't need to have my prefrontal cortex shut down. I can actually allow myself to think more clearly. So I sometimes say that Emotional Freedom is the freedom to make better choices well, and   Michael Hingson ** 29:39 I know for me, so let's use your example with the traffic light and or when there isn't an audible traffic signal, and there doesn't need to be an audible traffic signal everywhere, like if you're at a straight crossing where you've got two streets that intersect, it's not like it's necessarily magical, but what I always do is listen. To see what the traffic's doing, right? And when I hear that the traffic is going the way I want to go, then I will start across. But even then, I listen again to make sure I'm not hearing a car that seems to be coming up fairly fast from behind me, that might suddenly turn in front of me, but I'll make a decision. And they do that sometimes. Oh,   Brad Yates ** 30:21 every morning, on my morning walk, Michael, I walk five miles every day. And, you know, every couple of weeks there's someone who is in a hurry, and they come whipping around, making a right hand turn without looking Yeah. So, yeah, you never know. So   Michael Hingson ** 30:38 I listen, and when I make the determination that I have enough time or or space to start across, I will and even then, if a car comes up faster than I expected, I I keep myself poised and ready to okay, if that car is coming, is it better to leap back to where I came from, or shoot the rest of the way across the street. And you have to have that awareness, because drivers are crazy. The other part about it is working with a guide dog. So I start, I tell the dog to go forward across the street, and the dog won't go. That tells me there's something else going on, like a hybrid vehicle turning that I don't happen to hear and I will follow the dog, because the dog's job is really to make sure that we stay safe. The dog doesn't know where I want to go, and I don't want the dog to know that, but the dog does have the option to prevent me from going if it thinks there's a problem. So it's a team effort, and that's fine, but the bottom line is that I've learned those skills. And you know, like in the World Trade Center, talking about the fire alarm went off. If I really wish that when we met firefighters coming up the stairs, they had told me what was going on. Because I know me, I love information, and it would have made some differences in some of the decisions that we made later, which, for example, put us like 100 yards from tower two when it collapsed because we didn't know what was going on. Oh, geez, you know. And if I had known that, we would have probably gone a different way. On the other hand, we were there and we ran and all that was fine, but still, I like information, but I know me, and I also know why they didn't say anything to anyone, because we asked, because they were afraid that it could cause a panic, and I'm sure with a lot of people, it would have so I understand that, but I would have liked to have known but they don't know me. They didn't know me. So, you know, we go on Right, right.   Brad Yates ** 32:43 Yeah, they can't take everything and go. Everybody else would panic. This guy looks like he's got a good head on your shoulders. He could probably handle the information and not and and if they had to appeal and panicked, you know, fewer people might have gotten out because of, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 32:58 yeah. Well, we worked really hard to keep people focused going down the stairs, and you know that so they they didn't panic, which was important. Well, so what are the areas for tapping that that work with Emotional Freedom Techniques with EFT? Because I'm sure there are a lot of things you can a lot of places to tap for one thing or another. But what do you mainly work on with EFT and tapping?   Brad Yates ** 33:20 I actually work with folks on all kinds of different things. I, you know, a lot of times it's, it's career success, people trying to up level their career and finding themselves stopping because, you know, fear, fear of success, fear of failure, fear of being seen. There's a lot of people, it's the idea of having more people find out about them, meaning more people that can be critical of them and judgmental of them. It feels very threatening. And so we work on that. I work with folks on self esteem issues, which is underneath a lot of the blocks in terms of relationships, in terms of so many areas of life, this pervasive feeling of not being good enough, of not being worthy, is out there, and it's a misunderstanding. So I I'll help people shift their mindset around that the problems we we we get very stuck on what we believe and how we do things, and when we try to make changes, part of our mind says that's threatening. What is familiar is safe. What is unfamiliar is dangerous, even if I'm looking and going, okay, but my life is not so great, and I can look over at this other possibility and say that would be much better. The part of the brain says, No, it's different. That's dangerous. And so we have a stress response that stops us from taking certain actions and and we become very stoppable. So So, and also, ultimately, in many ways, helping people become unstoppable is, uh. Is what it's all about in all kinds of different areas.   Michael Hingson ** 35:03 Can we teach our brain to think that difference isn't necessarily bad, and get out of that reaction? Because that's something that, of course, we hear all the time. People always talk about how change is all around us, but people hate change. Yes. Can we teach people that that's not necessarily the case?   Brad Yates ** 35:26 Yeah, that's and that's the the that's what, where the tapping really comes in, because it down regulates that, that stress that occurs. Yeah, we want, as a friend of mine says, everybody wants things to be different. They just don't want to change, you know, and, and because when we come up against some kind of change, we we have that, that stress response, like touching the electric fence and says, go back to where you were. And the tapping calms that down. So it's like cutting the wires to the electric fence, and we can see, oh, that's a misunderstanding, that thing that I was afraid of isn't really a threat to me. You know, obviously there are things that are real threats. In 911 there was a real threat, but most of the things that are stopping people on a day to day basis are absolutely imaginary and not, not an actual threat to our well being. It might be, it might bruise our ego, if it goes a certain way, but our ego can handle that. And so as we use this tool to create a feeling of safety, so as I look at, you know, if I, if I have, for instance, with money, people have a lot of old program about, you know, money is the root of all evil. So if I have, I may consciously say, of course, I want to make a lot more money, but if, unconsciously, I have this belief that money is the root of all evil, I don't want to be evil, so I'm going to block the amount of money I have. So if I have a get an interview for a job that's going to pay me a lot better, I might blow the interview. I might not even show up. I might totally forget to show up unconsciously. And I, you know, afterwards thinking, oh my goodness, I totally spaced that. Because I like to say that self sabotage is simply misguided. Self love. We're trying to protect ourselves. So these self sabotaging behaviors are an attempt to protect ourselves based on some old misunderstanding. So as we calm down that that the fear that causes us to to stop ourselves, and we look at and say, oh, you know what? I could handle having more money and in that job, I could be of a lot more service to more people, it would be so rewarding personally as well, and that that just creates that, that great opening for for amazing things to happen. Of   Michael Hingson ** 37:51 course, Steve Jones and Joe Vitale have been trying to teach that for a number of years. And I know you've done I've worked with both of them. You've worked with both of them before. Yes,   Brad Yates ** 37:59 I have a program with with Joe Vitale, a program called money beyond belief. And with Steve, we did a program called Confidence beyond belief. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 38:08 and, you know, the issue is that that we can, we can learn to deal with change, and it makes us a lot more powerful if, if we do that, and we do it consciously and do it the right way. Can anyone learn tapping and how to deal with Emotional Freedom Techniques? Yeah,   Brad Yates ** 38:27 pretty much it's it's a very simple technique of tapping with our fingertips on our face and torso. There are different places you can tap and and you can even gently hold or rub the points. For some folks who may not be physically capable of tapping all of the points, and a lot of people find it very beneficial just to imagine the tapping, they can also get a lot of benefits from that in because, you know, we send we send thought signals. We send electrical biochemical impulses to these different nerves and different muscles. So we're able to do it that way as well.   Michael Hingson ** 39:08 So how can people learn how to tap?   Brad Yates ** 39:12 Well, the easiest way is, from my perspective, is go on YouTube, because there's, there's this guy who's got over 1000 videos. I heard, again, all kinds of different subjects. But that's sort of the the easiest way is to is to be guided in that way. And there's a number of colleagues of mine who also have videos and different resources online to, you know, one of the very simple thing is we just, you know, learning the these different these eight points. And I'll you know, just for the sake of demonstration, if someone takes their index and middle finger, all right, I've done that. Yeah, take the take the the fingertips and gently tap on the opposite the side of your opposite hand. So we gently tap the the opposite hand to begin with, where we. This setup on the hand itself. Yeah, right on the on the edge between your wrist and pinky. Okay, yeah, so, yeah, gently tapping there. And that's where we say, even though I have this stress or even though I'm feeling this fear, or even though I'm angry at Bob, whatever it is that's bothering us, we gently tap there and say, even though I feel this, I choose to love and accept myself. And it's just creating a level of acceptance, because so often we try to run from and say, Oh, I don't feel that. And then what we resist persists, yeah? So we just say, I accept that. Then we gently tap the eyebrow point, so right at the beginning of your eyebrow, right near the center of your face. Yeah. We'll just gently tap there five to 10 times and we say, whatever the issue is, this stress, this anger at Bob. And then we then we follow the eyebrow out to the side of the eye, right the corner of the eye socket, and gently tap in there and say, all this stress. We follow the edge of the eye socket around to right under the middle of your eye, just above your cheek, all this stress, then right under your nose, just above your upper lip, gently tap in there, all this stress, then right below your lower lip, just above your chin, all this stress. The next point is right your where your collarbones just about come together. There's a little bit of a U shape at the base of your throat, and you can gently tap there, and you can actually even make a fist and tap where the collarbones meet all this stress. The next point is four inches below the armpit, so it's right about bra strap level. And even us guys can figure out where that one is all this stress. And then the last point we tap is right at the top of the head. So if you use all of your fingertips and tap around the crown of your head, all this stress when you take a deep breath, and actually be when we first do it, we would rate the stress on a scale of zero to 10. So it's like, okay, the stress that I'm feeling, or the anger at Bob that I'm feeling, is maybe an eight out of 10. And I'll and I'll try to figure out what the physical responses too. So it may be a tension in my shoulders that way we can see what we're working at, because then we can, after doing the tapping, we check again. And sometimes it'll go from an eight down to a zero like that. Sometimes it may just go from a seven, from an eight to a 7.75 but even that is some relief, and it's often like peeling the layers of the onion so that we might recognize as we're tapping like I might be tapping on all this anger at Bob, all this anger at Bob. Wait a minute, it's not even Bob, it's Cindy in the third grade. She did this thing, and I've been mad at her ever since. I never forgave her, and now I'm able to clear up some stress that I've been holding in my body for decades. So it's, that's, that's the very simple way of using it. And then, you know, and so in the very basic version of of EFT like that, we just repeat the whatever it is that's bothering us on each point. The way I do it in my videos is, I It's a more intuitive process, and I like to explore different ideas. And when I when I do that with folks, it they may say, Well, that's how do you come up with those words? It's like, don't worry about that. That's why I made the videos on YouTube, so you don't have to worry about the words. As you get more comfortable with the process, you'll start thinking of what you want to say while you're tapping. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 43:38 Now people have used acupuncture to relieve pain and things like that. Does tapping do the same thing, or is it somewhat different?   Brad Yates ** 43:46 It can I have helped a number of people with physical discomfort. I was working with a guy once, who I was at a health fair, and a guy came up to my booth and was asking what I was doing, and I and he was saying he had a his back was really bother him. I said, scale is zero to 10. He said, Oh, it's an eight. Um, it's like, really difficult to walk. And we did some tapping, and he said, Yeah, I think I feel a little bit better. And he and his girlfriend walked away, and later they came back over and said, So, at another part of this fair, there's a dance floor, and we've been over there dancing for a while, and what the heck did you do to me? And he said, my back isn't bothering me at all. And I'm not a doctor. I'm not going to make any medical claims, but there are plenty of doctors will say that, you know, up to 75% and sometimes more, of the physical pain we experience is is created by the stress that we're feeling. So when we can down regulate that stress, it can relieve a lot of the physical discomfort we have, and it also gives us more room for healing, because our body has remarkable healing capabilities, and as we clear out, as we allow ourselves. To process the emotions that might be involved, then we have more energy to put towards our physical healing   Michael Hingson ** 45:08 well. And we, we all too often, don't accept that the body is really as good as it can be to heal itself and so on. And yes, of course, the point you're making is that the body really is that good, and we need to grow and learn that, that it can do that, and that we need to allow that to happen. And so often we just don't. Yeah, no matter what Cindy did, no matter what Cindy did to us in the third grade,   Brad Yates ** 45:36 exactly a darn Cindy telling you,   Michael Hingson ** 45:41 but we, we just don't, we don't accept that. And we've, we've talked ourselves way too much into some things that aren't necessarily So absolutely,   Brad Yates ** 45:53 absolutely, and we're we have so many misunderstandings about things, so many arguments that we have with people in our heads about something that wasn't that didn't happen the way that we thought it did. Yeah, and, you know, we may finally get up the nerve to talk to the person go, you know, I'm just so mad about this thing you said, and they're like, I didn't say that or, well, I certainly didn't mean that. You know, certainly in this day and age of texting, where there's where you can't even hear the tone of voice, where we misread things   Michael Hingson ** 46:27 way too much, yeah,   Brad Yates ** 46:30 so so we're able to clear up those misunderstandings about ourselves, about other people, about different situations, and then that just creates a whole lot more peace. Tell me   Michael Hingson ** 46:40 if you would a little bit about your time at the Sacramento drug court. That seems like it would be fascinating to dealing with all of that and dealing with addiction and so on.   Brad Yates ** 46:48 Yeah, that was a very interesting time I had been I had presented a workshop at the energy psychology conference where I'd first learned tap, and I'd gone back as a presenter. I had been learning about 12 step programs. I had gone to some debtors anonymous programs. I was not handling my finances well at a time, and I had gone to debtors anonymous and been introduced to the 12 steps. And so I thought, wow, EFT would be a great tool with that. And there was a woman running a drug court program here in Sacramento, which is a mandated recovery program for people coming out of jail for drug offenses. And she said, Would you be willing to be one of our staff teachers, teaching EFT as a recovery tool? And so I did that for three years, and it was very interesting, because a lot of the people that I was working with there was, they were not my normal clientele, I bet. And you know, these people who had had really tough lives, people had really tough lives, and I come along and I say, so you're just coming out of jail, tap on your face. And not everyone was was totally open to but when they were, you know, people say, Oh, my God, this, this really works, and being able to first down regulate the the trigger and emotions that they had, and it then created greater freedom to to do what they needed to do To recover from addiction, because so much of addiction is trying to tranquilize stress and trauma. It's like I'm just, I'm just trying to find a way to feel better because I can't tolerate the discomfort that I have, and tapping provides a healthier alternative, such that we then have that again, the freedom to make better choices.   Michael Hingson ** 48:43 Tell me about your book, The Wizards wish children's book, I guess,   48:47 yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 48:48 I sounds like a great title.   Brad Yates ** 48:50 Thank you. I I had done there. There's a documentary about tapping called The Tapping Solution, and when I was interviewed for this film, we talked a lot about children and how so many of the issues that stop us as as adults, our thing are based on events that happen in childhood. And I'm saying, Wow, if you know, if we taught children how to tap such that, you know, in the third grade, when Cindy did that really mean thing to us, rather than carrying that for years, and all of the ways that it limits our ability to thrive, if we could have, you know, tapped, even though Cindy did this thing and felt free that day, what what is possible for us. What kind of things could we achieve? And after that, I thought, yeah, I would love to find a great way to teach tapping to kids. And I had young children, and story time was always a big part of our lives. So I thought, do it as a children's story. And I'm a Harry Potter fan. I love. Wizards. I have a I have a plaque with all of my replica wands from the Harry Potter movies on my wall here. And I thought, wow, what if we used the wizard and and using the fingertips as a magic wand for tapping these magic points on the body. And so that's where the the inspiration came and, and I'd been a cartoonist and illustrated the book, and had a lot of I had some resistance to that. It was like, Oh, I gotta have a hard time drawing all these pictures. And I didn't realize where I was stopping myself. And I talked to a friend of mine, and she did some tapping with me and rattled off all the drawings within a week. So it's like, oh, there's a this is a good experiment for me in terms of using the tapping where I where I'm not seeing, where I'm stopping myself.   Michael Hingson ** 50:47 So you tap yourself, yeah, perfect.   Brad Yates ** 50:51 Every day. It's because you can. It's not always about clearing stress and fear. It can also be used for just allowing yourself to feel more peace, feel more joy, be more open to what's possible. And most of us are carrying ambient levels of stress that we're not even aware of, especially with most of us are walking around with a cell phone that's constantly saying, Hey, how you doing? Here's something to be upset about. And we're getting stressed out about things that aren't even directly related to our lives, yeah, and that stress has a harmful effect on us. So I like to start my day just trying to be as clear as possible. Well, we live in good things.   Michael Hingson ** 51:30 We live in a world today looking at our elections and everything else, where people are just encouraging us to be fearful and yes and so angry about so many things. And you know, I, I've seen it happen to me, and I always have to say, wait a minute, stop that. Yep, but, but the thing is that we just don't get enough opportunities, or we don't take enough opportunities to back up on and back off on that and say, Wait a minute. We got to really look at this in a sensible way. Because no matter what these people are saying, what's real?   Brad Yates ** 52:09 Yeah, they don't want us to look at a sensible way. No, that is because if they can make us afraid, then that puts us into fight or flight, and our prefrontal cortex goes away and we're not thinking clearly, and then we're more easily manipulated. Well, I have to, oh, go ahead. So that's the thing. Is they want us to be afraid. It's like, don't even think clearly. No, we're going to tell you what, what's going on and what you should be afraid of, and how we're going to help you. So if we have a way of dealing with that stress and that fear, which most people don't have a healthy weight, I always recommend to folks to tap on a daily basis, because it's energy hygiene. We have physical hygiene, like brushing our teeth. We, most of us, do it a couple times a day, at least, whether we think we need it or not. We don't usually wait until someone until we see green stuff growing between our teeth, or until someone's holding their nose around us and say, Oh, that's right, I haven't brushed my teeth in a week. Well, we   Michael Hingson ** 53:05 could do that to Cindy, though it's okay, yeah, yeah, poor Cindy. Well, I noticed that you graduated from Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey circus clown college. So what's it like being a clown?   Brad Yates ** 53:20 That was, yeah, and it's so funny. I just actually had coffee with the director of clown college just a few days ago. I hadn't seen him in a number of years, and it's actually and I told him, it's 30 years since we met when I went to clown college, that was during my acting days. I saw an ad for clown college, I thought that would be some really interesting training as an actor and when. And it was a two month program, an intensive program of doing character development and makeup and throwing pies and all kinds of things. And I didn't do a lot of clowning after that, I'd had a few a few things I didn't go on the road with the circus. I have a friend, a few friends, who did that, but, but a lot of that experience still informs my work, and I still very proudly have my my diploma, my Bachelor of fun arts, up on my wall of my office. I think   Michael Hingson ** 54:21 it's interesting that you learned how to throw pies, though. Yes, I need to learn more about that, I guess. Except, pies cost a lot of money, so now, well,   Brad Yates ** 54:32 we in the circus. You use, use soap foam. Oh, I understand. So it's, it's good clean fun, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 54:41 well, absolutely   Brad Yates ** 54:43 rubber pie, rubber pie pans and crusts and and soap foam. Pass soupy   Michael Hingson ** 54:50 sales, exactly. Well, this has been fun. I know you have to go, but I really have enjoyed this, and I need to go spend some time. Any more about tapping, and I don't know whether the videos are descriptive enough, or I'll have to bug you some more, but this is fun, and I hope people will take to heart what you've had to talk about if they want to reach out to you and learn more about it and maybe and see how you can help them. How do we do that? How do they do   Brad Yates ** 55:15 that? Yeah, thanks, Michael. Easiest way is go to my website, tap with brad.com and you can get I have a couple of free five day programs there. One is called tap into your best self, and the other is called success beyond belief, which sounds like a lot of success, but it's also literally the success that's beyond your current beliefs about what you can have. So I encourage folks to to check those out, and there's links to my YouTube channel, and I've just, I've just described to you those tapping points, so you can go on to the video and and listen along. And while on the videos, I don't describe which points I'm saying, you can just move along. And you can even just tap one point, even if you're just tapping one point and repeating back the phrases that could that can be beneficial, so that you don't have to worry about, Are you tapping the same point that I'm tapping right now? Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 56:07 as long as you're tapping the points, yep. Well, this has been absolutely great. I really appreciate you taking the time to be here and discuss all of this. Maybe we'll have to do some more of it, if you want in the future, I   Brad Yates ** 56:22 would enjoy that. It's been a great pleasure meeting you and speaking with you, Michael, I you're awesome and and as as we had agreed, I've had a lot of fun doing Oh, good talking with   Michael Hingson ** 56:35 that's that is important as we know well. I want to thank you, and I want to thank you all for listening. Appreciate you being here. Love to hear your comments about this and all that Brad had to say. Please reach out to Brad, but I'd love to hear from you. Please email me at Michael h i@accessibe.com that's m, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I at A, C, C, E, S, S, I, B, e.com, or go to our podcast page, www dot Michael hingson.com/podcast, and Michael hingson is m, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I N, G, S o, n.com/podcast, wherever you're listening, please give us a five star rating. We really value your ratings, and we love it when you are able to take the time to do that and review the podcast. But I again, would love to hear from you directly with any thoughts that you have, and Brad for you and anyone listening, if you know of anyone else who we ought to have on as a guest. Love to get Joe Vitale or Steve Jones on, Brad, I'll leave that to you. But if you know of anyone, we are always looking for more guests, so please feel free to provide introductions. 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Guest Bios Show Transcript https://youtu.be/g3j3C25thlcMuch research has been done to address individual trauma. But what happens when trauma is collective—when an entire congregation, for example, is betrayed by a pastor they trusted? In this edition of The Roys Report, Kayleigh Clark, a pastor and a pastor's kid, discusses the impact of communal suffering, which church leaders often overlook. Kayleigh, a doctoral student at Kairos University, is completing her dissertation on congregational collective trauma and paths towards healing and restoration. And what she's learned is ground-breaking for churches that have experienced pastoral abandonment or moral failure and are struggling to recover. As was explained in the popular book, The Body Keeps the Score, unhealed trauma—if unaddressed—will manifest itself as physical and psychological ailments in our bodies. Likewise, unaddressed trauma in the Body of Christ will also manifest as corporate dysfunction and pain. But as Kayleigh explains in this eye-opening podcast, this doesn't have to be the case. Healing is available. But it requires congregants and spiritual leaders who understand trauma and don't try to charge forward before the congregation has healed. Given all the unhealed trauma in the church, this is such a relevant and important podcast. It's also one that discusses dynamics Julie knows all too well, as someone who's in a church with others who've experienced deep church hurt. She discusses her own experience in the podcast, which could be a prime case study. Guests Kayleigh Clark Kayleigh Clark is founder and director of Restor(y), which exists to journey with churches on the hope-filled path of healing and restoration. She completed a Master of Divinity at Northeastern Seminary and is currently a Th.D. Candidate at Kairos University with a focus on the interplay between psychology and theology. Kayleigh and her husband, Nate, love exploring the outdoors with their son near their home in Rochester, New York. Learn more about Restor(y) online. Show Transcript [00:00:00] Julie: Much research has been done to address individual trauma, but what happens when trauma is collective? When an entire congregation, for example, is betrayed by a pastor they trusted. According to my guest today, the impact of communal suffering is often overlooked, but the body of Christ keeps score. [00:00:22] Julie: Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys. And joining me today is Kaylee Clark, a pastor and a pastor’s kid who’s well acquainted with the beauty, joy, pain, and heartache that exists within the church. Kaylee also is a doctoral student at Kairos University, and her dissertation work focuses on congregational collective trauma and paths towards healing and restoration. [00:00:50] Julie: She also is the director of ReStory, a ministry to help churches heal and embody the hope of Jesus, especially after experiencing a devastating loss or betrayal. I had the pleasure of meeting Kaylee about a week ago, and I was so excited by her insights and the work that she’s doing that I was like, you have to come on my podcast. [00:01:10] Julie: So I am thrilled that she can join me today, and I know you’re going to be blessed by this podcast. I’ll get to my interview with Kaylee in just a minute, but first, I’d like to thank the sponsors of this podcast, the Restore Conference and Mark Horta Barrington. If you’re someone who’s experienced church hurt or abuse, there are few places you can go to pursue healing. [00:01:30] Julie: So, Similarly, if you’re an advocate, counselor, or pastor, there are a few conferences designed to equip you to minister to people traumatized in the church. But the Restore Conference, this February 7th and 8th in Phoenix, Arizona, is designed to do just that. Joining us will be leading abuse survivor advocates like Mary DeMuth and Dr. [00:01:50] Julie: David Pooler An expert in adult clergy sexual abuse. Also joining us will be Scott McKnight, author of A Church Called Toe, Diane Langberg, a psychologist and trauma expert, yours truly, and more. For more information, just go to Restore2025. com. That’s Restore2025. com. Also, if you’re looking for a quality new or used car, I highly recommend my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. [00:02:17] Julie: Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity, and transparency. That’s because the owners there, Dan and Kurt Marquardt are men of integrity. To check them out, just go to buyacar123. com. [00:02:37] Julie: Well, again, joining me today is Kaylee Clark, a pastor and doctoral student who’s studying congregational collective trauma and the paths to healing and restoration. She’s also the founder of Restoree and she’s a wife and mother of a beautiful baby boy. So Kaylee, welcome. It’s just such a pleasure to have you. [00:02:56] Kayleigh: Thank you. Thank you for having me. It’s an honor and a pleasure to be with you today. [00:03:00] Julie: Well, I am just thrilled to have you on our podcast and I mentioned this in the open, but We talked last week and I was just like, Oh my word, everything that you’re doing, your work is so important. And it’s so where I’m living right now. [00:03:15] Julie: And I know a lot of our listeners are living as well. And so I’m thrilled about it. But as you mentioned, your work is, is unique. We’re going to get into that, but I am just curious, this whole idea, collective trauma, you know, ministering. To the church. How did you get interested in this work? [00:03:33] Kayleigh: Sure. Um, so I am fourth generation clergy. [00:03:37] Kayleigh: So great grandpa, grandpa, my dad, and then me. So are all pastors. Uh, and so I’ve just always known the church, uh, pastors have also been kind of my second family. I’ve always felt at home amongst the church and amongst pastors. Um, but when you grow up in the parsonage and other PKs will know this, uh, you are not hidden from. [00:03:58] Kayleigh: The difficult portions of church and the really hard components of church. And so then when you add on to that, becoming a pastor myself, you know, my eyes continued to be open, uh, to some of the ways that church can be a harmful place as much of it as it is a healing place. And I began to kind of ask the question, well, well, why, um, what is going on here? [00:04:21] Kayleigh: Um, particularly because when I served and we’ll get into more of this, I think, but when I was serving in my first lead pastor, it’s. So I’m a really young, I was like 27 when they, or 28 when they entrusted me when I first lead pastorate, which is kind of wild. And so they kind of threw me in and what they do with most young pastors is they kind of throw us into these dying churches. [00:04:44] Kayleigh: And so, right, it’s a small. Church with, you know, it’s dying, it’s dwindled in numbers. And so this is my first kind of lead pastorate. And, you know, I read all the books, I’m a learner, I’m a reader. I, you know, I know how to do all the things. And so I’m reading all of the books on how to revitalize a church and raise a church up from it and all those things and nothing is working. [00:05:06] Kayleigh: Um, and it started to kind of really raise my attention to, well, maybe there’s something else going on here. Um, And, and maybe we’ve been asking the wrong questions when we’ve been approaching the church. Uh, and so, uh, again, I’m a learner, so I was like, well, I’m just going to go back to school. If that was the only way I knew how to figure this out. [00:05:25] Kayleigh: So I landed in a THD program that focused on combining the studies of trauma theory with theology. Um, and my undergraduate degree is in psychology, so it felt kind of like a merging of my two worlds. Um, and it was there that I encountered collective trauma and. Really in an interesting way, studying, um, more like childhood development trauma. [00:05:46] Kayleigh: But anytime I looked at it, all I could see was the church, um, and seeing the ways in which there might be a bigger picture. There might be a bigger story going on here. And maybe there’s some collective congregational trauma underneath the, these dying, uh, declining churches that we just aren’t aware of. [00:06:04] Julie: So, so good. And this is the thing that, that just stuns me. When I, I, I do an investigation and the top pastor gets fired, sometimes all the elders step down, but the church, it’s, it’s unbelievably rare for one of those churches to thrive afterwards. And I, and I think so much of it is they think, Oh, we got rid of the bad apple. [00:06:29] Julie: And they have no concept of how that toxicity, one, you know, the toxic, often bullying way of relating and everything was, was taught and learned and trained throughout. But then there is that trauma and, and I just, I think of Willow Creek Community Church, I went to their, it was like a midweek service where they were going to deal with, Supposedly, the women who had been sexually harassed and abused by Bill Heibel’s, the previous pastor, and they didn’t even name it. [00:07:08] Julie: They didn’t name what had happened. They didn’t go into what had happened. They didn’t apologize to the women. The women became like this amorphous something out there, the women, you know? Um, and, and then they talked about, they had a repentance time, like we’re supposed to repent for his sins. It was the most bizarre, unhealing thing I had ever seen. [00:07:27] Julie: And I couldn’t imagine how after something that dysfunctional, a church could go, okay, we’re back, you know, reach the lost, you know, seeker sensitive church. It was just bizarre. Um, so, so much of your work is, is resonating with me. And again, We’ve seen a lot in and it’s really important is dealing with individual trauma and which is super important work. [00:07:53] Julie: Um, and my last podcast with Chuck DeGroat, we talked a lot about that. We talk a lot about that on a lot of podcasts, but we often don’t address again, what’s this collective trauma that, that, you know, that it actually has a social aspect. So talk about why is it important that we begin addressing collective trauma and not just individual trauma, though, you know, obviously we each need to heal as individuals, but collectively as well. [00:08:24] Kayleigh: Yeah. So collective trauma is a newer field, even in psychological studies. So it’s, Not as old as individual trauma studies, and it actually became more popular through the work of Kai Erikson, who’s a sociologist. He’s not even a psychologist, but he studied collective trauma in kind of what he refers to as unnatural disasters. [00:08:43] Kayleigh: And so these disasters that are experienced by communities that have a human, like, blame component. So it was due to somebody’s negligence due to somebody’s poor leadership due to somebody’s abuse, and it’s on a community. And so Kai Erickson notes the, the social, he calls it the social dimension of trauma or collective trauma. [00:09:03] Kayleigh: And what he, he details there is that collective trauma is anything that disrupts and ruptures the, uh, relationships within a community. Distorting and taking apart their, uh, he calls it communality instead of community, but it’s their sense of, like, neighborliness. It’s their sense of being together. It’s their, Their shared identity and their, their shared memories are all now distorted. [00:09:26] Kayleigh: And so I think when we’re speaking specifically about the church, and when we’re looking at religious trauma and congregational trauma, we need to remember that the church is first and foremost, a community. And so sometimes I think that’s missed in our kind of American individualism. You know, a lot of people kind of view spirituality as this individualistic thing, but the church is a community. [00:09:48] Kayleigh: And so when we come together as the body of Christ, you know, when wounding happens, when trauma comes, it breaks down the relationships within that congregation, which really. is what makes it a church. The relationships are what make that a church. And so when trauma comes in and disrupts those and starts causing the divisions and the distrust and the he said, she said, and the choosing of sides and the church splits and all of these things have these ripple effects on the community. [00:10:19] Kayleigh: Um, and they really are, are traumatizing. And so what happens is that if we don’t deal, if we’re only dealing with the individual trauma, In part, that’s usually dealing with people who have left the church, right? And so usually the people who are seeking individual healing from their religious trauma, who are able to name that, who are able to say, I went through this, have often stepped outside of the church. [00:10:42] Kayleigh: Sometimes just for a season, which is completely understandable. They need that time away. They need time to heal. They’re, they don’t, feel safe. But what we’re missing when we neglect the social dimension of religious trauma are often the people who stay are these congregations who can’t name it yet, who can’t articulate that what they’ve gone through is religious trauma, who who maybe are still trying to figure out what that means. [00:11:07] Kayleigh: Often it means that we’re missing, um, you know, these, these the church that I served in, you know, isn’t one of these big name churches that’s going to get, you know, newscasted about. And they can’t necessarily name what happened to them as religious trauma because nobody’s given them the language for it. [00:11:25] Kayleigh: And so we’ve often missed these, these declining churches. We’ve missed because we haven’t remembered that Trauma is communal that trauma is relational. And so we need to, yes, provide as much care and as much resourcing as we can for the healing of individuals, because you can’t heal the community if the individuals don’t know. [00:11:44] Kayleigh: But we really need to remember that the community as a whole. impacted, and that especially when we’re talking about the church, we want to be able to heal and restore those relationships. And to do that means we have to address the social dimensions of the religious trauma. And so [00:12:01] Julie: often the people that, that stay aren’t aware of what’s happened to them. [00:12:08] Julie: Are they not even aware they’re traumatized? [00:12:11] Kayleigh: Right, right. Yeah. [00:12:13] Julie: Yeah. You introduced this, this concept, which is great. I mean, it’s, it’s a riff off of the book, The Body Keeps the Score, which, you know, um, just an incredible book by, uh, Dr. Vander Kolk. But this idea that the body of Christ keeps the score. [00:12:33] Julie: Describe what you mean by that, that the body of Christ keeps the score when there’s this kind of trauma that it’s experiencing. [00:12:40] Kayleigh: Sure. So you kind of alluded to it earlier when you were giving an example of the removing of a toxic pastor, right? And then just the placement of a new pastor. And so often what happens in these situations where there’s spiritual abuse or, um, clergy misconduct or any of those things that’s causing this religious trauma, the answer seems to be, well, let’s just remove the. [00:13:00] Kayleigh: Problem person. And then that will solve everything. Um, well, what happens is we forget that trauma is embodied, right? And so you can remove the physical threat. Um, but if you remove the physical threat or the problem person, but this congregation still has this embodied sense of trauma in which they perceive threat now. [00:13:23] Kayleigh: So they’re reacting to their surroundings out of that traumatized position, because that’s what the collective body has learned to do. And so you see this, um, It’s a silly example, but I use it because I think people see it a lot. So you have a new pastor come in and the new pastor has a great idea, at least he or she thinks it’s a great idea. [00:13:46] Kayleigh: And it probably has to do with removing pews or changing carpet color. Okay. And so they present this, what they think is just a great harmless idea. And the response of the congregation is almost volatile and the pastor can’t figure out why. And often, unfortunately, what pastors have kind of been taught to identify is that they must just idolatry. [00:14:11] Kayleigh: They just have the past as an idol for them and they need to kill this golden cow. Right. And so it becomes this theological problem. Sure, there might be cases where that is the truth, but often I would say that there’s, um, a wonderful. So another great book on trauma. It’s more on racialized trauma, but it deals a lot with historical trauma is, um, rest my Mac mannequins book, um, my grandmother’s hands and in it, he addresses this historical trauma that is embodied and he quotes Dr. [00:14:42] Kayleigh: Noel Larson, who says, if it’s hysterical, it’s probably historical. In other words, if the reaction to the thing happening doesn’t seem to match, like it seems out of proportion, either too energized or not enough energy around it, it’s probably connected to some kind of historical trauma that hasn’t been processed. [00:15:03] Kayleigh: And so we see this a lot in churches who are having a hard time being healthy and flourishing and engaging with the community around them. And. The reason why is often because they have this unhealed trauma that nobody’s given them language for. Nobody’s pointed out, nobody’s addressed for them. Um, and so it’s just kind of lingering under the surface, unhealed, unnamed, and it’s informing how they believe, how they act. [00:15:33] Kayleigh: Um, and so this is really What I mean when I say the body of Christ keeps the score is that the body of Christ has embodied this trauma and it’s coming out in their behaviors, in their actions, in their values, and our pastors are not equipped to address it from a trauma informed perspective. They’ve only been given tools to address it from maybe a theological position, or this kind of revitalization remissioning perspective. [00:16:02] Kayleigh: That often doesn’t work. [00:16:04] Julie: There’s so many things I’m thinking as as you’re talking. I mean one. to come in and do something. And then because people react to, I mean, basically that’s shaming them. It’s guilting them to say, Oh, you have an idol or what’s wrong with you that you can’t get on board. And the truth is they don’t know what’s wrong with them. [00:16:23] Julie: They, they don’t. And, and they’re hurt. And all they know is you just, they’re hurt and now you’ve hurt them. So now they don’t trust you. So way to go. Um, but I’m thinking maybe because we brought this up and I don’t mean to beat up on, on Willow Creek, but I’m thinking about. When the new pastor came in, and I don’t think he’s a bad guy, um, you know, they, they were bleeding money. [00:16:45] Julie: Obviously they, they did not have the resources they did before. So one of the first things they did was they centralized, which meant the campus pastors weren’t going to be preaching anymore. They were going to be pumping in video sermons. Here’s the pastor that people trusted on these campuses. Now, that person’s not going to be preaching, which then of course, all of them left. [00:17:06] Julie: They ended up leaving and the trauma you’d now it’s trauma upon trauma. And it just seems like, especially in so many of these churches, you bring somebody in and they want to move somewhere like, right. They want a thriving church. What they don’t want to do is be at a church and sit in your pain. And yet. [00:17:27] Julie: Unless that’s done, I mean, can these churches, I mean, can they move forward? I mean, what’s going to happen if you come in and you don’t? slow down and say, these people are hurting and I need to, I need to be a shepherd. Then that’s the other thing. It’s so many of these mega churches, and I know this isn’t unique to mega churches that this happens, but I, it’s the world in which I report so often is that these mega churches are very mission vision, five year plan oriented and what they’re not capable of doing. [00:17:59] Julie: I think so many of these, you know, and they always bring in the, the pastor. That’s a good orator, maybe not a shepherd at all. In fact, some of these guys even say, I’m not a shepherd, which that’s another, yeah, I mean, but, but to actually, they need a shepherd at that point. Right. I mean, these, these people need it. [00:18:20] Julie: So, I mean, again, what, what do they need to do? And what happens if they don’t do some of these things? [00:18:28] Kayleigh: So the thing that I have really been drawn to, especially as I study Jesus, and I look at what it means to be trauma informed in the pastorate. So I, I do believe that God is still working through pastors. [00:18:39] Kayleigh: Um, in fact, there’s a really beautiful section of scripture in Jeremiah 23, where God is addressing abusive shepherds and God’s response is, I will raise up new shepherds. So God still wants to work through shepherds. There is still a place for a pastor. The problem is, is I don’t think we’ve taught pastors how to lead out of a posture of compassionate curiosity. [00:19:03] Kayleigh: And so if you follow Jesus and you look at the way that Jesus interacts with hurting people, it is out of this beautiful, humble posture of compassionate curiosity. And so I was always struck by like, he asks the blind man, what do you want me to do for you? And it always seemed like a. That’s a strange question. [00:19:20] Kayleigh: Like, he’s blind, Jesus. What do you think he and often it’s preached on, like, well, we need to be able to tell God what we want. And that’s maybe some of it. But I think it’s also the truth that God knows that it can be re traumatizing to somebody to tell them what they need and what they want. Right? So what we learned when we studied trauma is that it’s not. [00:19:40] Kayleigh: So especially when we’re talking trauma caused by abuse is that abuse is so connected to control. And so what has often happened to these victims of religious abuse of spiritual abuse is that they have had control taken from them entirely. And so when a new pastor comes in and tells them, this is what you need to get healthy again, and never takes the time to approach them from this. [00:20:02] Kayleigh: posture of compassionate curiosity, they can end up re traumatizing them. Um, but our pastors aren’t trained to ask these questions. And so, so often if you read, you know, and they’re well meaning books, you know, they’re, they’re trying to get to what’s going on in the heart of the church. They’re trying to get back to church health, but so many of the books around that have to deal with. [00:20:23] Kayleigh: Asking the church, what are you doing or what are you not doing? And trauma theory teaches us to ask a different question. And that question is what happened to you? And I think if pastors were trained to go into churches and ask the question, what happened to you and just sit with a church and a hold the church and, and listen to the stories of the church, they, they might discover that these people have never been given space to even think about it that way. [00:20:52] Kayleigh: You know, where they’ve just, they’ve had abusive leaders who have just been removed or they’ve had manipulative leaders who have just been removed and they’ve just been given a new pastor and a new pastor and nobody’s given them the space. To articulate what that’s done to them, um, as individuals and as a congregation. [00:21:09] Kayleigh: And so if we can learn to, to follow Jesus in just his curiosity, and he asks the blind man, what do you want me to do for you? He, he says, who touched me when the woman reaches out and touches him. And that’s not a, it’s not a question of condemnation. That’s a question of permission giving. He knows that this woman needs more than physical healing. [00:21:28] Kayleigh: She needs relational healing. She needs to tell her story. And by pausing and saying, who touched me? He provides a space for her to share her story that she’s never been able to share with anyone before. And I think if we were to follow that Jesus, as pastors and as leaders, we would begin to love the Bride of Christ in such a way that would lead to her healing, instead of feeling the need to just rush her through some five year plan to what we think is healing and wholeness, and what actually may not be what they would say is what they need. [00:22:02] Julie: So many things you’re saying are resonating with me. And part of that’s because, uh, like I said, we’re living this. Um, I, I told you last week when we talked that our, our house church was going on a retreat, first retreat we’ve ever had. We’ve been together a little over, well, for me, I came in about two years ago and I think they had been meeting maybe eight or nine months before then. [00:22:29] Julie: Some of the people in our group, Um, don’t come out of trauma. Um, you know, one of our, one of the couples in our church, uh, they’re like young life leaders, really just delightful, delightful, delightful people, but they haven’t lived the religious trauma. One couple is, they’re from the mission field and they had a great missions experience. [00:22:55] Julie: The only trauma they might be experiencing is coming home to the U. S. The truth is they love the mission field, right? Um, and then. The remainder of us come from two, two churches, um, that, that had some sexual abuse that was really, you know, mishandled and the trust with the leaders was, was broken in really grievous ways. [00:23:19] Julie: Um, and then there’s me on top of having that, um, living in this space where, I mean, I just report on this all the time. And so, but one of the beautiful things that happened in this, in this group is that it did have leaders when we came into it and it triggered us. Like, you know, and for us it was like, oh, here’s the inside group and the outside group. [00:23:47] Julie: Like, we’re used to the ins and the outs, right? And, and we’re used to the inside group having power and control, and the rest of us just kind of go along with it. And, and we’re, we’re a tiny little group. Like we’re 20 some people, right? But, but it’s just, and, and we’re wonderful people. Wonderful people. [00:24:02] Julie: And yet we still like, it was like, mm. And um, and so. The beautiful thing is that those leaders recognize, like they didn’t fully understand it, but they said, you know, I think we need to just step down and just not have leaders. And I didn’t even realize till we went on this retreat what an act of service and of love that was for them to just say, were laying down any, any agendas we might’ve had, any even mission or vision that we might’ve had. [00:24:35] Julie: And for one of, you know, one of the guys, it was really hard for him cause he’s just like, Mr. Mr. Energy and initiative. And, and he was like, I better not take initiative because like, it’s, it’s not going to be good for these folks. Um, and on the retreat. So then, I mean, it was, it was really a Holy Spirit. [00:24:54] Julie: experience, I think for all of us, because there definitely was a camp that was like, okay, we’ve had this kind of healing time, but can, can we move forward a little bit? Like, can we, can we have some intentionality? And then there were part of us that were just like, oh my word, if we, if we, if we have leaders, why do we need leaders? [00:25:12] Julie: We’re 20 something people. Like we can just decide everything ourselves. And, and there really was somewhat of an impasse, but it’s interesting. The things that you said for me, And it was funny at one point. They’re like, can’t you just trust? And, you know, kind of like, what, what are you guys afraid of? You know? [00:25:29] Julie: And the first thing that came out of my mouth was control control. Like we’re afraid of control, um, or I’m afraid of control. Um, but what was so, so. Huge for me and I think was one of those again, Holy Spirit moments was when, you know, I was trying to like make a point about power dynamics, like you don’t realize power and like we have to be aware of how power is stewarded in a group like this because everybody has power. [00:25:59] Julie: If you don’t realize as a communicator the power that you have, like I’m aware now that because I can, I can form thoughts pretty quickly. That I can have a lot of influence in a group. I’m aware of that. And so, you know, there was even like a part where I was leading and then I was like, I can’t lead this next thing. [00:26:17] Julie: I’ve been leading too much, you know, and then we, and then we gave, we, somebody had a marker and we gave the marker to, to, um, one of the guys in our group who’s fantastic guy. And, um, And at one point, so, so anyway, I was talking about power and, and one of the guys was like, well, I don’t, I don’t really see power. [00:26:35] Julie: I don’t need. And I’m like, you have it, whether you realize it and you have it. And what was huge is that one of the other guys that sort of a leader was a leader was able to say what she’s talking about is real. Everybody has power. This is really important. And he was quite frankly, somebody with a lot of power in that group because he has a lot of trust, used to be a pastor. [00:26:57] Julie: Um, and for him to acknowledge that for the rest of us was huge. And then this, this other guy, I mean, he said at one point, Oh, well, you know, so and so’s holding the marker right now and he has power, doesn’t he? And I was like, yes, you’re getting it. That’s it. That’s it. Thank you. Because he’s like, you just reframed what we said and I wouldn’t have reframed it that way. [00:27:22] Julie: Like I wouldn’t. And I’m like, yes, exactly. It’s like, and it was like, it was like the light bulbs were going on and people were starting to get it. Um, and then another key, key moment was when one of the women who, you know, wasn’t, you know, from our church where we experienced stuff, who said, can you, can you tell me how that, how that felt for you when we used to have leaders? [00:27:46] Julie: And then for people to be able to express that. And people listened and it was like, and I was able to hear from this guy who felt like he was, he had a straight jacket, you know, because he, he like wants to use his, his initiative. Like he, he. You know, and God’s given that to him. It’s a good thing, you know. [00:28:07] Julie: And all I can say is it was just an incredible experience, an incredible moment, but it would not have happened if, and now I’m going to get kind of, it wouldn’t have happened if people cared more about the mission than the people. And they didn’t realize the people are the mission. This is Jesus work. He doesn’t care about your five year plan. [00:28:41] Julie: He doesn’t care about your ego and the big, you know, plans that you have and things you can do. What he cares is whether you’ll lay your life down for the sheep. That’s what shepherds do. And what I saw in, in our group was the willingness to, for people that have shepherding gifts to lay down their, you know, not literally their lives, but in a way their lives, their, their dreams, their hopes or visions, everything to love another and how that created so much love and trust, you know, in our group. [00:29:22] Julie: And we’re still like trying to figure this out, but yeah, it was, it was hugely, it just so, so important. But I thought how many churches are willing to do that, are willing to, to sit in the pain, are willing to listen. And I’m, I’m curious as you go in now, there’s so much of your work has become with ReStory is, is education and going into these churches. [00:29:52] Julie: You know, normally when this happens, And you told me there’s a, there’s a name for pastors that come in. It’s the afterpastor. Afterpastor. [00:30:00] Kayleigh: Yes. The afterpastor. [00:30:02] Julie: How many times does the afterpastor get it? And does he do that? [00:30:07] Kayleigh: So the problem is, and I can tell you, cause I have an MDiv. I went, I did all the seminary. [00:30:11] Kayleigh: I’m ordained. We don’t get trained in that. Um, so, and there is, um, like you said, so you use this guy as an example who has the clear. Initiative gifts. So they’re what would be called kind of the Apostle, um, evangelist gifts in like the pastoral gift assessment kind of deal. You’ve got the Apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd, and teacher. [00:30:34] Kayleigh: And right now there’s a lot of weight kind of being thrown behind the Apostle evangelist as kind of the charismatic leader who can set the vision. And so most of the books on pastoral You know, church health and church are written kind of geared and directed that way. Um, so we’re really missing the fact that when we’re talking about a traumatized church, what you really need is a prophet shepherd. [00:30:57] Kayleigh: Um, you need somebody who can come in and shepherd the people and care for them well, but also the prophet. The role of the prophet is often to help people make meaning of their suffering. So if you read closely, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, particularly who are two prophets speaking to people in exile, what they’re really doing is helping people make meaning of that suffering. [00:31:17] Kayleigh: They’re helping people tell their story. They’re, they’re lamenting, they’re crying with them. They’re, they’re asking the hard questions. Um, and they’re able to kind of see between the lines. So prophet, Pastors who have kind of that prophetic gifting are able to see below. They’re able to kind of slow down and hear the actual story beyond the behaviors, right? [00:31:35] Kayleigh: So the behaviors aren’t telling the whole story, but we need eyes to see that. And so the problem, I would say, is that a lot of well, meaning pastors simply aren’t taught how to do this. And so they’re not given the resources. They’re not given kind of the, um. this like Christian imagination to be able to look at a church and say, okay, what has happened here and what healings take place here? [00:31:59] Kayleigh: Um, the other problem is, you know, we need to be able to give space. So denominational leaders need to be able to be okay with a church that maybe isn’t going to grow for a few years. And I think that is whether we like it or not. And we can say all day long that we don’t judge a church’s health by its numbers. [00:32:19] Kayleigh: But at the end of the day, pastors feel this pressure to grow the church, right? To have an attendance that’s growing a budget that’s growing and. And so, and part of it is from a good place, right? We want to reach more people from Jesus, but part of it is just this like cultural pressure that defines success by numbers. [00:32:36] Kayleigh: And so can we be okay with a church that’s not going to grow for a little while? You know, can we be okay with a church that’s going to take some like intentional time to just heal? And so when you have an established church, um, which is a little bit different than a house church model, it can be. A really weird sacrifice, even for the people who are there, because often what you have is you have a segment of the church who is very eager to move forward and move on and and to grow and to move into its new future, and they can get frustrated with the rest of the church. [00:33:15] Kayleigh: That kind of seems to need more time. Um, but trauma healing is it’s not linear. And so, you know, you kind of have to constantly Judith Herman identifies like three components of trauma healing. And so it’s safety and naming and remembering and then reconnecting, but they’re not like you finish safety and then you move to this one and then you move to this one. [00:33:36] Kayleigh: Often you’re kind of going, you’re ebbing and flowing between them, right? Because you can achieve safety and then start to feel like, okay, now I can name it. And then something can trigger you and make you feel unsafe again. And so you’re now you’re back here. And so, um, um, Our churches need to realize that this healing process is going to take time, and collective trauma is complicated because you have individuals who are going to move through it. [00:33:57] Kayleigh: So you’re going to have people who are going to feel really safe, and they’re going to feel ready to name, and others who aren’t. And so you have to be able to mitigate that and navigate that. And our pastors just aren’t simply trained in this. And so what I see happening a lot is I’ll do these trainings and I’ll have somebody come up to me afterwards and go, Oh my goodness, I was an after pastor and I had no idea that was a thing. [00:34:18] Kayleigh: And they’re like, you just gave so much language to my experience. And you know, and now I understand why they seem to be attacking me. They weren’t really attacking me. They just don’t trust the office of the pastor. And I represent the office of the pastor. Okay. And so sometimes they take that personally again, it becomes like these theological issues. [00:34:38] Kayleigh: And so helping pastors understand the collective trauma and being able to really just take the time to ask those important questions and to increase not only their own margin for suffering, but to increase a congregations margin for suffering. You know, to go, it’s going to be, we can sit in this pain. [00:34:58] Kayleigh: It’s going to be uncomfortable, but it’s going to be important, you know, learning how to lament, learning how to mourn. All of these things are things that often we’re just not trained well enough in, um, as pastors. And so therefore our congregations aren’t trained in them either. You know, they don’t have margin for suffering either. [00:35:14] Kayleigh: Um, and so we need to be able to equip our pastors to do that. Um, and then equip the congregations to be able to do that as well. [00:35:20] Julie: So good. And I’m so glad you’re doing that. I will say when I first started this work, um, I was not trauma informed. I didn’t know anything about trauma really. And I didn’t even, you know, I was just a reporter reporting on corruption and then it turned into abuse in the church. [00:35:38] Julie: And I started interfacing with a lot of abuse victims. who were traumatized. And I think back, um, and, and really, I’ve said this before, but survivors have been my greatest teachers by far, like just listening to them and learning from them. But really from day one, you know, it’s loving people, right? It really, it like, if you love and if you empathize, which You know, some people think it’s a sin, um, just cannot, um, but if you do that and, and that’s what, you know, even as I’m thinking about, um, within our own, our own house church, there were people who weren’t trained, but they did instinctively the right things because they loved. [00:36:28] Julie: You know, and it just reminds me, I mean, it really does come down to, they will know you are Christians by your love. You know, how do we know love? Like Christ laid down his life for us. He is our model of love and, and somehow, you know, like you said, the, in the church today we’ve, we’ve exalted the, um, what did you say? [00:36:49] Julie: The apostle evangelist? The apostle evangelist. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, we’ve exalted that person, um, you know, And I think we’ve forgotten how to love. And too many of these pastors don’t know how to love. They just don’t know how to love. And it’s, it’s tragic. Because they’re supposed to be I mean, the old school models, they were shepherds, you know, like you said, like we need apostles, we need evangelists. [00:37:16] Julie: But usually the person who was leading the church per se, the apostles and evangelists would often end up in parachurch organizations. I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. I think the church needs all of those things. Um, and, uh, But yeah, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve left that behind, sadly. And there’s nothing sexy about being a shepherd. [00:37:37] Kayleigh: Yeah, no, I, all, all of the Apostle, I mean that, well, the whole thing is needed, um, and it’s most beautiful when we just work together, and, and when they can respond to each other. So, I mean, me and you’re an example in your house, you’re a visiting example of this. You can’t, even if just listening, you have some clear Apostle evangelists in your group, right? [00:37:54] Kayleigh: I mean, Um, right? And so you have these people wired for that, and yet they’re able to, to learn and respond to some of the people in the group who have more of those prophet shepherd tendencies. And so I think that that’s really what, and that’s loving, right? So we should go back. It’s just loving one another and learning from one another. [00:38:17] Kayleigh: And knowing when to lean into certain giftings and to learn from others giftings. This is why it’s the body of Christ. And so when a component of the body of Christ is left out, we can’t be who God’s called us to be. And so when we neglect the role of the shepherd and neglect the role of the prophet or minimize them, or see them as secondary, then we’re not going to do called us to be. [00:38:44] Kayleigh: You know, we may need all of it to come together to do what God has called us to do. God is working in this church. He’s worked all through this church. He has established it and called it, and He’s going to use it. But we need to be learning how He has built it and how He framed it. For me to love one another and not elevate one gifting above another. [00:39:07] Julie: And it’s interesting too, you mentioned the office of the pastor. Um, I know as we were discussing some of this, we have one guy who’s very, I mean, actually our entire group, and I think this is probably why we’ve been able to navigate some of this. It’s it’s a really spiritually mature group. A lot of people. [00:39:26] Julie: who have been in leadership, um, which sometimes you get a lot of leaders together and it can be, you know, but this hasn’t been that way because I think people really do love the Lord. Um, and they love each other. Um, but one of the things that was brought up, um, is Is the pastor an office or is it a role and have we made it into an office and, and what we realized in the midst of that and I, you know, I, I’m like, well, that’s really interesting. [00:39:57] Julie: I would like to study that. And I find there, there’s a curiosity when you talk compassionate curiosity, I think there’s also a curiosity in, in people who have been through this kind of trauma. There’s a curiosity in, okay, what, what did we do? that we did because everybody said that’s how we’re supposed to do it. [00:40:18] Kayleigh: Yeah. [00:40:18] Julie: Yeah. Do I really have that conviction? Could I really argue it from scripture? Is this even right? And so I find even in our group, there is a, there is a, um, there’s a curiosity and maybe this is because we’re coming through and we’re in, you know, I think a later stage of healing is that now we’re like really curious about what should we be? [00:40:44] Julie: Yes. Yes. What should we be, like, we, we want to dig into what, what is a church, what should it really be, and what, why, how could we be different? Of course, always realizing that you can have the perfect structure and still have disaster. Um, it really does come down to the character of the people and, and that, but, but yeah, there’s a real, Curiosity of, of sort of, um, digging, digging into that. [00:41:10] Julie: And, and let me just, I can ask you, and, and maybe this will be a rabbit trail, maybe we’ll edit it out. I don’t know. Um, , but, but I am curious what do, what do you think of that idea that the, the pastorate may be a role that we’ve made into an office and maybe that could be part of the problem? [00:41:27] Kayleigh: I think that’s a lot of it. [00:41:28] Kayleigh: Um, because when we turn the, the pastorate into an office, we can lose the priesthood of all believers. So that I think is often what happens is that, um, you create this pastoral role where now all of the ministry falls on to the pastor. And so instead of the pastor’s role being to equip the saints for the ministry, which is what scripture says, the scripture describes a pastor as equipping the saints for the ministry. [00:41:56] Kayleigh: Now the pastor is doing the ministry, right? There’s, there’s just all of this pressure on the pastor. And that’s, that’s where I think we start to see this. The shift from the pastor being the one who is, you know, encouraging and equipping and edifying and, you know, calling up everybody to live into their role as the body of Christ where we’ve seen. [00:42:19] Kayleigh: You know, I have a soft spot for pastors. Again, I’m like, they’re all my relatives are them. I love pastors and I know some really beautiful ones who get into ministry because that’s exactly what they want to do. And so what has often happened though, is that the, the ways of our culture have begun to inform how the church operates. [00:42:40] Kayleigh: And so we saw this, you know, when, when the church started to employ business In kind of the church growth movement. So it’s like, okay, well, who knows how to grow things? Business people know how to grow things. Okay. Well, what are they doing? Right. And so now that the pastor is like the CEO, people choose their churches based on the pastor’s sermon, right? [00:43:00] Kayleigh: Well, I like how this pastor preaches. So I’m going to go to that church. Um, so some of it is. So I would say that not all of it is pastors who have like that egotistical thing within them at the beginning. Some of it is that we know that those patterns exist. But some of these men and women are genuinely just love the Lord’s people and then get into these roles where they’re all of a sudden like, wait, I, Why, why is it about me and others, this pressure to preach better sermons and the person down the road or, you know, run the programs and do all of these things instead of equipping the people to do the work of God. [00:43:38] Kayleigh: And so I think it’s, it’s about, and right, I think it’s happened internally in our churches, but I also think there’s this outward societal pressure that has shifted the pastor from this shepherding role to the CEO office. Um, And finding the, like, middle ground, right? So again, like, we can swing the pendulum one way and not have pastors. [00:44:05] Kayleigh: Or we can swing the pendulum the other way and have pastors at the center of everything. But is there a way of finding, kind of, this middle ground where people who are fairly calm and gifted and anointed by God to do rich shepherding can do it in a way that is Zen sitting that church that is equal famous saint that is calling the body of Christ to be what it is called be. [00:44:27] Kayleigh: And I guess I’m, I’m constantly over optimistic and so I’m convinced that there’s gotta be a way , that we can get to a place where pastors can live out of their giftings and live by their callings and live out of their long dreams in such a way. That leads to the flourishing health of the church and not to its destruction. [00:44:45] Julie: Yes. And, and I think if it’s working properly, that absolutely should be there. They should be a gift to the church. Um, and, and sadly we just, we haven’t seen enough of that, but that is, that is, I think the model. Um, let’s talk specifically, and we have talked, or we might not have named it, um, but some of the results of this collective trauma. [00:45:08] Julie: in a congregation. Um, let’s, let’s name some of the things. These are ways that this can, that this can play itself out. [00:45:17] Kayleigh: Sure. So when we’re talking about congregational collective trauma, one of the main results that we’ve talked about kind of in a roundabout way is this lack of trust that can happen within the congregation. [00:45:27] Kayleigh: And this can be twofold. We can talk about the lack of trust for the leadership, but it all also can be lack of trust. Just, In the congregation itself, um, this often happens, particularly if we’re looking at clergy misconduct that maybe wasn’t as widespread. So I think this is some of what you’ve kind of talked about with Willow Creek a little bit, and I’m, I wasn’t in that situation, but I’ve seen it other places where, you know, in our system, the denominational leadership removes a pastor. [00:45:56] Kayleigh: And so what can happen in a system like that is that denominational leadership becomes aware of abuse. They act on the abuse by removing the pastor. And what you have happening is kind of this, um, Betrayal trauma or this, you know, bias against believing. And so because the idea that their clergy person who they have loved and trusted, you know, shepherd them could possibly do something that atrocious. [00:46:24] Kayleigh: That idea is too devastating for them to internalize. So it feels safer to their bodies to deny it. And so what can happen is you can have a fraction of the church. that thinks it’s, you know, all made up and that there’s no truth to it. And they began to blame the denominational leadership as the bad guys or that bad reporter that, you know, the [00:46:45] Julie: gossip monger out there. [00:46:47] Julie: It’s so bad. [00:46:48] Kayleigh: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So you have this split. Now, sometimes it literally splits and people will leave. Um, but sometimes they don’t and they all stay. And so you have these fractions of people who believe different things about what happened. And so now there’s, there’s a lack of shared identity. [00:47:08] Kayleigh: So I would say one of the key components of collective trauma in a congregation is this mistrust, which is often connected to a lack of shared identity. And so they can’t really figure out who they are together. What does it mean for us to be a community to get there? Um, and so trauma begins to write their story. [00:47:27] Kayleigh: And so when we talk about the embodiment of trauma, one of the ways that that works in individuals, and this is like a mini neuroscience lesson that many of your listeners are probably aware of, because I think you have a very trauma informed audience. Audience, but, um, you know, that it, it makes us react out of those fight, flight, or freeze responses. [00:47:46] Kayleigh: And so that happens individually, right? So something triggers us and all of a sudden we’re at our cortisol is raised. We’re acting out of the, uh, you know, those flight flight places that happens communally too. So a community gets triggered by, you know, a pastor again, having what they think is just a creative idea, you know, but maybe it triggers that time that that pastor. [00:48:09] Kayleigh: Had a creative idea that was, you know, and ran with it without talking to anybody and just like wield the control and manipulated people. And now, all of a sudden, this pastor who thinks they just have this innocent, creative idea is now seen as manipulative. And what are they going to try to do behind our backs? [00:48:27] Kayleigh: And what are they going to try? And, and. What are they going to take from us? Right? And so trauma, trauma takes from people. And so now they’re living kind of out of this perpetual perceived fear, perceived threat, that something else is going to be lost. And so when you have a congregation that’s constantly operating out of, you know, this fight, flight, or freeze response. [00:48:52] Kayleigh: Collectively, I mean, how can we expect them to live out the mission that God has given them? Um, you know, they’re not, they’re not there. They’re not able to, um, they’re not able to relate to one another in a healthy way. And so we, we see a lack of kind of intimate relationships in these congregations, right? [00:49:09] Kayleigh: Because so the Deb Dana, who has helped people really understand the polyvagal theory, when we’re talking about, um, trauma talks about your, your, um, Nervous system, your autonomic nervous system is kind of being like a three rung ladder. And so in this three rung ladder, you have the top rung being your ventral bagel state, which is where you can engage with people in safe and healthy ways. [00:49:32] Kayleigh: And then you move down into kind of your sympathetic nervous system. And this is where you’re in that fight flight freeze and then dorsal bagels at the bottom. And in those two middle and bottom, you can’t build these deep relationships. And again, deep relationships are what make a church a church. And so if you have a congregation that’s stuck in these middle to bottom rungs of this ladder, they’re, they’re fight, flight, freeze, or they’re withdrawing from one another. [00:49:54] Kayleigh: You’re, you’re losing the intimacy, the vulnerability, the safety of these congregations to build those kinds of relationships. And so I would say that, that distrust, that lack of shared identity and that inability to build deeper kind of relationships are three kind of key components of what we’re seeing in congregations who are carrying this collective trauma. [00:50:16] Julie: And yet, if you work through that together, like I will say right now, I feel a great deal of affection for, for everyone. Uh, in our house tours because we went through that chaos together, but also it was, it was an opportunity to see love and people lay down their lives for each other. So to, to be able to see, I mean, you begin writing a new story instead of that old story that’s been so dominant, you know, that you have to tell, you have to work through. [00:50:50] Julie: Yeah, you do. And, and, and you have, you do. I love where you say, you know, people need to, to hear that from you. Yeah. I think that’s really, really important for people to have a safe place. But then at the same time, you can’t, you don’t want to live the rest of your life there. You don’t want that to define, define you. [00:51:09] Julie: Um, and that’s, that’s what’s beautiful though, is if you work through it together, now you, you’ve got a new story, right? You’ve got, you’ve got Dodd doing something beautiful. Um, among you and, and that’s what he does. [00:51:23] Kayleigh: That’s why we call our organization Restory. Um, it is a word used in trauma theory and in reconciliation studies to talk about what communities who have experienced a lot of violence have to do is they have to get to a place where they’re able to, it’s exactly what you’re talking about with your house churches doing is you guys have kind of come to a place where you’re able to ask the question, who do we want to be now? [00:51:45] Kayleigh: And this is this process of restorying. And so what trauma does is in many ways, for a while, it tries to write our stories. And for a while, it kind of has, because of the way that it’s embodied, we kind of, it has to, right? Like we have to process like, okay, I’m reacting to this. trigger because of this trauma that’s happened. [00:52:05] Kayleigh: So how do I work through that? You know, how do I name that? How do I begin to tell that story? And so we, and we have to tell the story, right? Because I mean, trauma theory has been the dialectic of traumas, but Judith Herman talks about is it’s very unspeakable because it’s horrific, but it has to be spoken to be healed. [00:52:22] Kayleigh: Right. And so with this trauma, it can be hard to speak initially. But it needs to be spoken to be healed. But once we’ve done that, once we begin to loosen the control that trauma has on us. Once we’re able to speak it out loud, and then we can get to a place individually and communally where we can start to ask ourselves, Who do we want to be? [00:52:45] Kayleigh: And who has God called us to be? And no, things are not going to be the way they were before the trauma happened. I think that’s the other thing that happens in churches is there’s a lot of misconception. That healing means restoring everything to the way it was before. And when that doesn’t happen, there’s this question of, well, well, did we, did we heal? [00:53:06] Kayleigh: And we have to remember that we’re never going back to the way it was before the trauma happened. But we can begin to imagine what it can look like now. Once we begin to integrate the suffering into our story, and we begin to ask those helpful questions, and we take away the trauma’s control, now we can ask, who do we want to be? [00:53:24] Kayleigh: And we can begin to write a new beautiful story that can be healing for many others. [00:53:29] Julie: A friend of mine who has been through unspeakable trauma, I love when she talks about her husband, because they went through this together, and she often says, he’s like an aged fine wine. You know, and I love that because to me, no, you’re not going back to who you were, but in many ways who you were was a little naive, little starry eyed, a little, you know, and, and once you’ve been through these sorts of things, it is kind of like an aged fine wine. [00:54:01] Julie: You have, you’re, you’re aged, but hopefully in a beautiful way. And, you know, I, I think you’re way more compassionate. Once you’ve gone through this, you’re way more able to see another person who’s traumatized and And to, you know, reach out to that person, to love that person, to care for that person. And so it’s a beautiful restoring. [00:54:26] Julie: And we could talk about this for a very long time. And we will continue this discussion at Restore, [00:54:33] Kayleigh: um, because [00:54:34] Julie: you’re going to be at the conference and that was part of our original discussions. So folks, if you wanna talk more to Kaleigh , come to Restore. I, I’m, I’m gonna fit you in somehow because , I’m gonna be there. [00:54:46] Julie: you’re gonna be there. But do you just have a wealth of, uh, I think research and insights that I think will really, really be powerful? And I’m waiting for you to write your book because it needs to be written. Um, but I’m working on it. , thank you for, for taking the time and for, um, just loving the body. [00:55:07] Julie: And in the way that you have, I appreciate it. [00:55:09] Kayleigh: Well, thank you. Because, you know, when I heard about your work and your tagline, you know, reporting the truth, but restoring the church, you know, I was just so drawn in because that’s what we need. The church is worth it. The church is beautiful and she is worth taking the time to restore. [00:55:24] Kayleigh: And I’m so thankful for the work that you’re doing to make sure that that that happens. [00:55:28] Julie: Thank you. Well, thanks so much for listening to the Roy’s Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys. And if you’ve appreciated this podcast and our investigative journalism, would you please consider donating to the Roy’s report to support our ongoing work? [00:55:47] Julie: As I’ve often said, we don’t have advertisers or many large donors. We mainly have you. The people who care about our mission of reporting the truth and restoring the church. So if you’d like to help us out, just go to Julie Roy’s spelled R O Y S dot com slash donate. That’s Julie Roy’s dot com slash donate. [00:56:07] Julie: Also just a quick reminder to subscribe to the Roy’s report on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. That way you won’t miss any of these episodes. 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What if understanding trauma could transform your life and the lives of those around you? On the Mom on Purpose podcast, we embark on the first part a thought-provoking book "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel Van Der Kolk. In this episode, we unravel the intricate ways trauma affects our ability to live purposefully. With Bessel's comforting approach, we discuss how trauma induces physiological changes, altering behavior and daily engagement.Join us as we navigate the complexities of trauma in the brain, examining the pitfalls of relying solely on medication without addressing root causes. Drawing on historical research and case studies from the book, we highlight how trauma can create a disconnect, leaving individuals numb to pain. We delve into the neuroscience behind these experiences and discuss the impact of trauma on children's development. This episode offers a deep dive into the connections between intense emotions and physical sensations, providing insights for healing those touched by trauma.What you'll learn in this episode:  The impact of trauma on both the mind and body, as explored through Bessel Van Der Kolk's book "The Body Keeps the Score"Strategies for healing trauma that go beyond medicationThe role of the brain's structure in processing traumatic experiencesHow trauma can lead to emotional numbness, dissociation, and depersonalizationThe influence of trauma on children's development and future outcomesFeatured on the Show: The Body Keeps The Score: BRAIN, MIND, AND BODY IN THE HEALING OF TRAUMA by Bessel Van Der Kolk, M.D.FREE GUIDE: Step-by-Step Formula to Discover Your Purpose and Feel Alive AgainClick HERE to watch this video to learn The 3 Things to Avoid When Reading Self-Help BooksHow to Connect with Lara: Web: www.larajohnsoncoaching.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/j.lara.johnson/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/larajohnsoncoaching Work with Lara: www.larajohnsoncoaching.com/work-with-me/

Episode 619: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) and Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) do a post-mortem on a fight they had yesterday.  — Show Notes:  (0:00) Fights don't start as fights (9:08) Gottman's Fourhorseman of the Apocalypse (11:28) The magic ratio of 5:1  (15:42) The body keeps the score (19:36) No winners in war (24:19) Mistaken attribution (26:40) Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy (29:17) The cardinal sin is measuring  (32:55) The best relationships are bigger than you (40:00) Identify the skill issue — Links: • Get our business idea database here https://clickhubspot.com/mfm • The Body Keeps the Score - https://tinyurl.com/sf66b2tj • How to Win Friends and Influence People - https://tinyurl.com/4wbafxyf • Fight Right - https://tinyurl.com/pdvub4b4 — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: Need to hire? You should use the same service Shaan uses to hire developers, designers, & Virtual Assistants → it's called Shepherd (tell ‘em Shaan sent you): https://bit.ly/SupportShepherd — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com • Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth • Sam's List - http://samslist.co/ My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano

We're bringing back one of our most popular episodes ever on the pod - featuring “The Body Keeps the Score” author Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. And for a fun NEW take on the episode, Jen Hatmaker has asked one of her best friends, Amy Hardin, to join her to discuss their thoughts on this episode! Listen as Jen and Amy discuss their meet cute and then wade into the episode which delves into the relationship between trauma and the body, relating their personal experiences around this.  Dr. Van Der Kolk is a psychiatrist, author, researcher and author of the book The Body Keeps The Score. He has spent most of his career researching the causes of post traumatic stress, and is continuing to come away with groundbreaking discoveries about the power of our bodies to protect and shield us. Dr. Van Der Kolk brings us to the intersection of embodiment, mental well-being, and neuroscience and examines how we can understand our bodies' response to trauma so we can embrace our healing. * * * Thought-Provoking Quotes: “People think about trauma as that thing that happened a long time ago. But that's not the issue, because that thing is over. It happened last year or 10 years ago, it's not happening today. But the traces that it leaves inside of you, are happening now.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk  “When you're traumatized, you try to not have all the sensations and feelings, and you turn on music loudly, or you drink or you take drugs, to make those feelings go away. And then to experience your feelings becomes very difficult.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk  “The most elementary thing is breathing. Our breath is the one thing in our body that happens whether we want it or not. And we can learn to breathe differently. So there's a physiological function that gives us access to some core pieces of ourselves, where you slow down your breath, you focus on breath, you activate your parasympathetic nervous system, and you do become calmer. That's where you start.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk   “You cannot take care of yourself unless you accept yourself for who you are.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk  “When you're traumatized, one thing becomes another thing. So to open that up, and open up the mind to new possibilities is incredibly important.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk Resources Mentioned in This Episode: The Body Keeps The Score by Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3zyCVPk Guest's Links: Dr. Van Der Kolk's Website - https://www.besselvanderkolk.com Dr. Van Der Kolk's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thebodykeepsthescore Dr. Van Der Kolk's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thebodykeepsthescore/ Dr. Van Der Kolk's YouTube - https://bit.ly/3RZpoa8 Connect with Jen! Jen's website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen's Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen's Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen's Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker Jen's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.  Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices