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Lesley and Brad are back to recap their conversation with Dr. Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro. They share how showing up as yourself makes the hard days easier, why boundaries are non-negotiable, and how letting go of the “struggle equals success” myth frees you to enjoy the work you love. And because it's not all business, Lesley answers a listener's fun question about how she manages to look fresh after a long flight.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why authenticity makes showing up easier and attracts the right people.How boundaries set the tone and teach others to respect your priorities.The risks of building a brand that doesn't align with who you are.Why success doesn't require constant hustle or exhaustion.Lesley's favorite skincare and travel beauty tips for long haul flightsEpisode References/Links:Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/retreatsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsLesley's Skincare Recommendations - https://xxll.co/skincareSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsThe Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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Will everyone connect with it? No, and that's a good thing. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the incredible, amazing, badass convo we have with the one and only, Shante Cofield. Brad Crowell 1:10  Shante.Lesley Logan 1:11  The Movement Maestro. Brad Crowell 1:12  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 1:13  Oh my gosh. It was in our last episode. And if you haven't listened to that one, you've missed out on life. You really like you kind of fucked up. You got to go listen to it. You can listen after this, and you can listen and then like, usually like, depend on how you set your podcast situation up. It could be right after this. If you're listening to the OPC app, it's right below this one. If you're in your Apple app, good luck. They've changed it all the time. It's hard to find an episode you missed. Then that's why we do these recaps. But first, today, it is October 9th, it's Curious Events Day. Brad Crowell 1:42  Curious Events Day. Lesley Logan 1:44  I chose this because of Shante. So, the other ones seemed quite boring. There was World Post Day, and I was like, oh, that's so Shante, but it means like, mail, like. Brad Crowell 1:53  What do you mean male? Lesley Logan 1:54  Like, post mail, like mailing a letter, World Post Day. Not as not as in, like, social media post. Brad Crowell 2:00  I was definitely not thinking M-A-I-L. Lesley Logan 2:03  Yeah, mail. So I didn't choose that one, because that would be the opposite of Shante. But, Curious Events Day is October 9th, and it's a day to wonder about everything we've ever wondered about. So how do you get those little ships into the bottles? I think they do it like they're flat and they put it in. But you should, if you still wonder, you should look that up. Who figured out how to tie shoelaces? That is curious. What is the most recent sighting of Bigfoot in North America? I'm seriously doubting where the feedback might come from. I definitely do mean, pick your sources wisely. Why can't we figure what happened in Roswell? Be inquisitive, be persistent, and be careful, don't forget that old adage, curiosity killed the cat, and then the end is that satisfaction brought it back. But do be mindful. Brad Crowell 2:49  And then it's like, but I had nine lives, so you're good. Be curious. Lesley Logan 2:52  But also, like, do judge your news sources carefully. Brad Crowell 2:57  Oh my gosh. Please, please validate things. Lesley Logan 2:59  Please. Also, like. Brad Crowell 3:01  Anytime, anything seems like, oh yeah, that, that news makes sense. No, go, look it up. Lesley Logan 3:06  Also, don't just look at headlines or scan things. Read. Use your reading skills. Like, use them. It's very, very important. And it's, it's something that's like, I think what I like about world curious day or nationally curious day is, like, just it, it's a way to get off of social media and then go. Brad Crowell 3:28  Curious Events Day.Lesley Logan 3:29  Curious Events Day and go look up things, you know, maybe use a library, like, I don't know, be curious there, too. Anyways, so our Winter Tour is announced, y'all, it announced, well, a while back, and if you haven't bought your tickets yet, you could, it might be Slim Pickens. So go to opc.me/tour to see all the incredible cities. We are recording this before October 1st, so I actually have no idea where we're going yet. We are.Brad Crowell 3:55  We're still working all that out, but it but there's, you know, we got like 25 cities on the docket that we're trying to figure out. Lesley Logan 4:01  That's the goal. Brad Crowell 4:02  It's even bigger and better than we've ever done before. And it's only possible because you come to see the events, and see each other and hang and, you know, come meet us in in real life and we love it. Lesley Logan 4:15  It's kind of how all things work. Brad Crowell 4:15  And the dog, you know. Lesley Logan 4:15  If you like this podcast, you gotta leave a review, share it with a friend and listen. You gotta. If you, if you like our show, you gotta like, you got like, there's things you have more power than you realize. And if you don't attend an event, we don't go back. Brad Crowell 4:30  That's very key. Lesley Logan 4:31  Even if we like this city. So, opc.me/tour. Also, we're currently in Cambodia for our retreat. If you're not on the waitlist yet, you're gonna want to get on that, because in January, we're opening up the early bird special for the retreat, and only those on the waitlist get the early bird option. You don't have to get on the waitlist, but you get to pay full price. And that's that's just like we're spelling out for you.Brad Crowell 4:54  Just to put this out there, we've had a lot of people asking about October 2026. So, a lot of people, and there is only room for, you know, there's a limited amount of space we have.Lesley Logan 5:04  As much as we love you and we hate saying no.Brad Crowell 5:08  I would love to, you know, make sure everybody can join us. But, you know, there's a limited amount of space.Lesley Logan 5:15  Well, because, to be honest, like, we just like the smaller busses, because it means, like, we get to spend more time with you versus the bigger bus, and it's like not as much time with you. And also the bigger bus means less sites to see because the busses don't fit in certain places.Brad Crowell 5:27  Yeah, it is, you know, I mean, what we'll, look, we'll bring the bigger bus if we have the group for the bigger bus, but, yeah, we are limited on we can't go through the big temple.Lesley Logan 5:35  There's only so much room on the patio, so get your spot quickly by being on the waitlist.Brad Crowell 5:44  All right, and then we're excited. On October 19th, we're actually going to be going to Singapore. Oh, for the waitlist people go to lesleylogan.co/retreats plural lesleylogan.co/retreats. On October 19th, we're fired up to be coming to Singapore. This is a new thing for us. We were invited. It's a private event, but I just want to put that out there, you know, for you, if, if you want to host us coming through, just reach out, and we'll see how we can figure it out.Lesley Logan 6:10  Just ask. We actually just came back yesterday when we're recording this from U.K. and people were, I shared, like, oh, we're we actually are here because people asked. Like, it wasn't like we had a studio owner ask, and then we had another studio go, hey, how do I get that at my studio? And then we put the events together. And so, you know, we, we, sometimes we have to plan years in advance, like, this particular event was actually planned two years ago, but we can do that. And we, we actually are the kind of people that don't just show up on your door unannounced. We do need an invitation. And so we already talked about Winter Tour that's coming up in December. Then January is gonna be the Pilates Journal Expo. It's in Huntington Beach. If you go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal, you can get your tickets for that. I've got a world premiere of a workshop, which is really fun for me, because I just like having a space where you can ask whatever question you want about Pilates. Don't worry, there's some other nuggets around that, but, like, it's really a space for that.Brad Crowell 7:04  What was the URL again?Lesley Logan 7:07  xxll.co/pilatesjournalBrad Crowell 7:10  Yeah, we got a new URL shortener, y'all. xxll.co Lesley Logan 7:14  Yeah, because, you know, it's what they needed. Brad Crowell 7:15  We did that instead of a phone number. Lesley Logan 7:17  They still want the phone number. Brad Crowell 7:19  Yeah, the phone number is not gonna be. Lesley Logan 7:21  I still want it. We haven't looked at it. We haven't looked into if we can have a like, you know, 310 just be it.Brad Crowell 7:27  In March, we're gonna be.Lesley Logan 7:27  In Poland. We're gonna be in Poland again. I'm so excited to be back in Poland with Karen Frischmann. So it's, like, kind of amazing you get to learn from the two of us at the same time, which means a bigger bang for your buck, xxll.co/poland, anyone can go, by the way, just because, Karen and I speak in English, okay, that's how we teach. And then it's translated into Polish. But you can just come and then Karen and I will drag Brad, Brad through Europe, all the way over to Brussels, and we are going to be. Brad Crowell 8:00  I will not be complaining. Lesley Logan 8:01  At El's Studio in Brussels. Very, very excited about this. Brad Crowell 8:05  L-L-E Elle's. Lesley Logan 8:06  Oh, actually it's E-L-S.Brad Crowell 8:07  E-L-S apostrophe El's Studio.Lesley Logan 8:08  Yeah, I think it's El's with the apostrophe, because then it's else's. That's what I learned when there's an S, you just put the apostle on the other side. Anyways, you can go to xxll.co/brussels to grab your tickets for that. And in April, we can announce this right now. Brad Crowell 8:28  We can talk about that. I'm pretty sure we already did. Lesley Logan 8:31  So there's something, oh, we might have. We're going to be in London. There is a there is a POT in London. And what I'm doing in London is not yet to be announced, because I haven't signed my contract. So we're gonna be at the POT in London. We're doing something. Brad Crowell 8:45  We're gonna have a booth, and we're gonna be talking about flashcards. So, come hang out. If you've never been to a Pilates On Tour, it is a lot of fun. They're amazing events. They really do a great job with that. And we can't wait to be back in London, it's gonna be amazing.Brad Crowell 8:55  And you can buy day passes for that so. Brad Crowell 8:59  Cool. Love it. All right, before we get into this incredible interview with Shante, we actually had a question, and the question was from Pilates Physio.Lesley Logan 9:08  So there's two people sent in the same question within two weeks. And I like when you read these out loud. Just read them out loud. Read them both. Brad Crowell 9:16  Okay, so Pilates Physio said, how do you look this fresh flying UK to Australia, I always look dragged through the hedge backwards.Lesley Logan 9:26  Hedges backwards, Sorry. Brad Crowell 9:27  Hedges? Lesley Logan 9:28  Yeah, the hedges backwards, sorry. My nails are too long. I typed it up myself.Brad Crowell 9:32  Okay. And the next one is Pilates, Inhale Pilates asks, how the hell do you look so fresh and glowing after all of that flying that is so unfair. And let me tell you my secret. Lesley Logan 9:45  Oh, yeah, you want to tell your secret. So I love both these women, because one of them asked it after I did story, when we had just landed in the UK, and we were driving to (inaudible) and we landed in Edinburgh and we were driving into (inaudible) and then the other one asked it after I we landed, went through security, got through our Global Entry, and we were in the, like, baggage claim area, and I did it. And so it's really quite funny, because for the first one, I actually purposely didn't wear any makeup, and just did my brow stuff because we were flying overnight, and I knew I'd be trying to sleep, and it was like about 30 hours of travel, and you don't wanna have makeup. And for the second one, we had a whole day flight, and I was like, I gotta do stories. I gotta do this. I gotta have my makeup on. And I am so proud of how amazing my makeup survived the Edinburgh, Heathrow, Heathrow to L.A. I did I will say I looked pretty ragged by the time we did L.A. to Las Vegas. I was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open. So it wasn't like I was dragging a hedge backwards.Brad Crowell 10:43  We both were (inaudible) out on the plane home, like we were, we were asleep before we left the ground. I don't remember taking off.Lesley Logan 10:48  Yeah, I think we just like, I fell asleep so hard. So I will say, I think it's really easy on social media to look at someone who like and go, oh, they look so great. And to be honest, like in that moment, I caught the right light, but I will. So here's what I told them both, really great skin care. You have to have a great skin care routine. You must be doing this all the time. There isn't any makeup hack you can do that can out do bad skin care. Like every makeup artist I've ever worked with, is like the first step to great makeup is the skincare. So fine. When you like, I love the one I use. We don't have a short link for it. We have, like, a long link for it. Brad Crowell 11:30  We can get a short link for it. It's the the tarantula.Lesley Logan 11:34  No, I don't, I don't have, I don't have a social I don't have an affiliate for that. I'll tell you what that is. But, yeah, it's in the sponsors page. Yeah, so, so we'll drop that in there. He'll give it to you in a second. So, great skincare. Must, must, must, must do. Second, if you are flying long, like U.K. to Australia or the U.S. to Europe, like anything, that's 12-hour flight and it's overnight, I highly recommend no makeup, because you are going to try and sleep. But I do believe in mascara and brow gel like and I really do believe in it. It has changed the life. And if you're like, oh, I over plucked my brows when I was younger, you gotta go you gotta follow Striiike. You gotta follow, Striiike is the Instagram account Kristie Streicher. She has a (inaudible) three i's, she will, she will teach you how to grow your brows out, you guys. She was a client of mine. I was a client with of hers. I have not seen her in years, and I'm so proud of what my brows are doing. But I hire because what happened like your eyebrows and your lashes, like frame your eyes, and it can make a tired eye look happier. So we don't have affiliates for Striiike, but go and just learn from them. They have tons of tutorials. Tarantulash is by Bakeup Beauty again, no affiliates. I can't make any money off this, but I'm obsessed. I buy two sticks of mascara every time I shop with them, because you can get the free shipping, The, so once you have a good brow, good mascara you like and great skincare, you can fly anywhere. You also have to drink water. You must drink water when you fly. You have to drink water when you fly. I did not, I do not sleep well on most flights, especially long ones. In fact, when Pilates Physio asked that question, I had not slept at all because the flight sucked so much. On the way home, I think I got a little bit of sleep so, so I would love that. Then, when you want to apply makeup, like I had makeup on the second one, when you want to apply makeup, you you do want to find a makeup line that is easier for you to use, so that it doesn't take too long, and second that through the day, it looks better. No affiliate for Westman Atelier, I have tried multiple times. But I actually love their free concierge program. You can get on a call with someone. They can pick your colors for you, and it is she, she's a great it's a clean beauty line that actually, as a day goes on, it kind of just like melts into your skin more. So it doesn't streak as the day goes on, it's almost like, it's not that it rubs off, but it just like kind of becomes your skin. So I like that. Brad Crowell 14:03  All right, I think I'm also just gonna interrupt you and say, I love all of these amazing things that you've been figuring out. So the skincare link is xxll.co/skincare. Lesley Logan 14:12  Okay, there you go. Brad Crowell 14:12  So xxll.co/skincare and you'll be able to see what Lesley has been using for skincare. I was also just going to jump in there and say, I don't know anybody else in the world who prioritizes their sleep the way that you do.Lesley Logan 14:29  I know I wish I could sleep on a plane, but I do prioritize it outside of planes. Brad Crowell 14:33  Yeah. And so, you know, when you're asking, like, what is it that you're doing? I think it is, you know, it is built on this foundation of consistent sleep. Lesley Logan 14:42  Yes. Well, I think all of it is, right, but I will say, like, great skincare, great sleep. Drink some water. You'd be surprised. And also just be a little nicer to yourself, like the fact that you think that you've, of course, I thought I looked like hell on the first one. You know what I mean. But like. You smile and you look like more awake. Find the sunshine. You'll look more awake like I think we are constantly thinking that we are supposed to look like supermodels all the time, and no one does, including supermodels. They look like shit actually, most of the time, when you see them outside, but they have a confidence to them that they're beautiful people. And you have to start liking yourself, and you have to start to know that you have so many beautiful features, highlight them and have a great day. Brad Crowell 15:23  Yeah. And have a great day. Look, if you have any questions, Lesley clearly would love to answer those questions, just text us back at 310-905-5534, or you can submit it at beitpod.com/questions, that's beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 15:44  I also just love the ones.Brad Crowell 15:45  You can also leave your wins there, too, for our Friday episodes. Lesley Logan 15:49  And also, I think I just get excited when it's, like, a non Pilates question, because it's like, here is all the research I've done. I figured it out. This is the mascara, you know. Brad Crowell 15:57  I love it. Lesley Logan 15:58  All right, let's talk about Shante.Brad Crowell 16:00  All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 16:03  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Shante Cofield. I just want to say I love Shante. She's amazing, and we actually do know her in real life. We had a chance to hang out with her a few times over the years. She's just fantastic. So, Shante has created this persona called The Movement Maestro.Brad Crowell 16:21  I don't think it's a persona. It's her. It's.Brad Crowell 16:25  It's a, yes, so it's a persona. Actually, that's the definition of it. All right, so Shante is known as The Movement Maestro, and she's actually a physical therapist by trade and an entrepreneur by choice. And she said that on the the interview, and I thought that's a great way to say that. A physical therapist by trade, entrepreneur by choice. She's based in Southern California, and she now focuses on online business coaching, specifically helping health and fitness pros run, build and grow profitable online personal brands. So loving that. And she primarily uses Instagram as their quote, unquote top of funnel for lead generation, and she's just super great at it. She's been doing it for a long time. And she's also the business partner. She's business partners with Jill Coleman for a group coaching program that they do together, that we would absolutely recommend. Of course, Jill was also our coach. If you remember, Jill's been on the pod, all the things, but what a fun conversation. I mean, also, I just wanted to say,Lesley Logan 17:22  Secretly, I just wanted to talk with her, so I brought her on the pod.Brad Crowell 17:25  Well, she, she says this thing that I think is really funny when she when she's agreeing with you, she says this, this, this.Lesley Logan 17:33  Oh, I felt like I had just a cheerleading session. I was, like. Brad Crowell 17:37  Amazing. Lesley Logan 17:37  I, anytime I'm like, doubtful of, like, the do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? I'm just listening to this episode and hear her like compliment the fuck out of me.Brad Crowell 17:46  What was one of the things that you loved that she said.Lesley Logan 17:51  I mean, aside from how amazing she made me feel about myself, so she said that one of the biggest gifts is showing up authentically, because that is what you actually give other people permission to do the same. So when you show up authentically, you invite other people to do this. And I couldn't believe, I couldn't agree more. I think, like when I get to come to a workshop, and people are nervous, and, you know, I'm even nervous because I'm like, oh my god, they paid all this money, they traveled all this way. I hope I don't disappoint them, like, because people might have a different idea of me on like, from online stuff. I don't know. You know what I mean. People tell a story about them, about somebody, and then you meet them, but I. Brad Crowell 18:36  Don't meet your heroes. Everyone always says, Lesley Logan 18:36  Yeah, well, because some of those people suck, not me and not Shante, but, I.Brad Crowell 18:39  I think if you're showing up authentically online when you met someone in person, then you know what you're gonna get. Lesley Logan 18:45  Of course. Brad Crowell 18:46  That's the goal. Lesley Logan 18:47  I but I will just say, like, I always make sure that even when I feel nervous, I have like, the more authentic I can be to myself, the more every one of these people in this room will drop the nerves, will, will will show up and will have a great time with us. So it's really, really fun for me, so I couldn't agree more, and it helps you get out of your own head, because sometimes we get in our own head about things, and it's like, if you are just being your authentic self, it's one, so much easier, and two other people will be the same, and you won't have to worry if people are being real or not about you. Shoot. We also talked about declaring boundaries and priorities and that you the when you say, like, this is what I do, or I'm putting myself first, you model this behavior for others. I mean, like, can she and I just go on a tour together and tell people to prioritize themselves first. I love this. It's so, so good for the people in your life, for the partners in your life, for the friends in your life, like, and I just, I'm just, like, obsessed with all those things, yeah.Brad Crowell 19:45  I mean, I love that. I think it's important. I think it's great. Lesley Logan 19:45  She also, this is very important. She said, anything but yourself is unsustainable. So, like, if you're trying to be other people, yeah, like, it's so unsustainable.Brad Crowell 19:58  That's why I was gonna chime in, one of the stories that she told was when we follow these people online, and then, and then they quit, and they're like, actually built this thing, and I don't like anything about it and all this stuff. And, you know, it's amazing, because you can build things with marketing. When you do marketing properly, it will build a thing. But you need to make sure you like the thing, you need to make sure you like the people that you're going to be talking with, you know, because otherwise it will be unfulfilling. And I think that if you are talking about something that you don't believe in, it's not sustainable. And that's where this authenticity comes in. When you talk about something you're passionate about, or you believe in, or you really, you know, are wanting to encourage others to tackle and change and do all the things. It comes through, it shines through, right? And also is it allows it for you, you can stand by your word, you know, so that I think that.Lesley Logan 20:53  I also think like it when you're consistent, people do see that, even if they're not buying your thing right away, like, and it doesn't mean you don't get to pivot or evolve. But I have noticed, like, people who keep changing this, oh, I'm doing this now, I'm doing this now. I'm doing this now, and they're so different. Oh, I'm back to this now. I'm like, are they okay? What are they doing? You know. So I do think that the way, if you are, if you are afraid to post on socials, or you're afraid to mark your market yourself, or put yourself out there. Just know that if you're putting your true self and what you believe in out there, it's gonna be so much easier to show up on a hard day, and people are gonna truly start to connect with that. Will everyone connect with it? No, and that's a good thing. You don't want everyone to connect with you. I promise you that. There are some crazy people out there. You don't want them to like your stuff, so be your authentic self, and it will repel them.Brad Crowell 21:45  Yes, yes, yeah, and not even in a negative way. It just they won't be attracted to it. So I really loved when she was talking about the societal lie that success requires struggle. And I found this really intriguing, because I I lived this, this story of, we've talked about this a little bit before, but the bootstrapping, the solopreneur, I gotta do it all myself. Why? Because I'm broke and I can't afford to whatever. And it became a story that I told myself. And then what happens is, it becomes your MO, it becomes your persona.Brad Crowell 22:19  Yeah, well, you tell a story, but also, but you feel like it has to be hard all the time. Brad Crowell 22:20  It has to be hard all the time. But it's not even, it's not even that it has to be hard all the time. That's not the story we initially tell ourselves, but it becomes a lived experience that we then adopt. Right? And so all of a sudden, you're like, like, because when you start to delegate, when you do have a team, and you start giving things over to the team, such as, I'm a teacher, I'm teaching 7000 hours a week, you know, all of a sudden you're not teaching that much anymore. But you've, you've adopted this. It's got to be challenging, or we're not moving forward approach, you suddenly feel like you're doing it wrong, or you're or like some something, something is wrong. You can't, you can't figure out what it is. But it's because we've built this on this foundation of it's got to be hard for it to be right. Lesley Logan 23:09  Well, all the I work with a lot of teachers like, Oh my god, but if I do it like that, then the clients aren't going to because they want to feel burn. It's like, do you want to teach like that? If you don't want to teach like that, stop teaching like that, because they like educate people on what it is. You're making it hard on yourself, and then it's not going to be fun to show up all the time, and you're not going to like it and that, you're like, oh, but it's, it's got to be hard. I it's got to be a struggle. And then I'll get to the other side. You got to do things you like and and there. And success does have obstacles, but it doesn't have to be like you're trudging through like quicksand.Brad Crowell 23:41  Yeah, I mean, you're, you're not here to be miserable every day and faking this thing, right? I think that I just really liked what she said about it. And she said, of course, work is hard, but when it but when it comes to what things that you enjoy doing and the people you enjoy being around, it can still be fun, even when you are working hard, but the but the high level effort doesn't have to be, like killing yourself to make it. Like the struggle, I think the we jokingly say the struggle is real. But also, you know, it doesn't always have to be a struggle every day. Lesley Logan 24:21  Correct. And also, like, I just posted about this today on Instagram, because multiple times during the two events we had people were like, you must be tired, and I was like, oh, I'm not tired. You know, I might be tired. I'll be tired tonight. I might even be a little bit tired tomorrow. But like, I'm not tired right now because I love what I'm doing. I didn't put anything up here that you could buy that would exhaust me.Brad Crowell 24:42  Yeah, well, I think this weird assumption with that, like, wow, you must be tired means you must be burned out, because what you do is so much, like, I cannot fathom how you're able to execute it all you know, and still have time for yourself.Lesley Logan 24:57  Yeah. Well, that goes back to what we said with Shante said earlier, I prioritize myself and I have boundaries. Big time, big time. And I recognize that, like people have kids and blah, blah, blah and all this stuff. I still think that, because she said, we are a mirror, and we, when we are ourselves, other people do the same. If you put yourself first, other people see this, and they too will do it. So we it's not like people will just assume, oh, I gotta not bother that person. You have to say, I can't do that right now. But like, if you are doing something you love, yes, it'd be hard days, but it doesn't have to be a struggle. Brad Crowell 25:27  Yeah. Well, look, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into the Be It Action Item that Shante left us, right after this. Brad Crowell 25:36  Alright, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Shante Cofield. Lesley Logan 25:46  You go first. Brad Crowell 25:47  Okay. She said when starting out or starting something new, she advised, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. And I just loved this. I loved this because this concept of borrowing confidence. I've never thought of before, I never heard of before, but it's so real. Lesley Logan 26:04  This is so brilliant. Brad Crowell 26:04  Because what like, it's almost insulting if you don't believe the person, like, I believe in you. I believe that you can do the thing and you're like, you're right, you're wrong, I'm gonna fail. Right? It's like, you kind of are throwing it back in their face, right? But I also love this reframes this whole idea. When someone is like, I know you can do the thing. You can borrow that confidence from that. What a cool idea. She said, then advise. She said, afterwards, celebrate. Clap yourself. Clap for yourself, and go learn the thing, and then get in those reps. Choose to believe the evidence of your growing confidence, right? And I think when you're when you're, especially when you're starting something new, if you have a mentor or a friend who's like, really, really cheering for you, they're seeing something that you might not see in yourself in the moment, you know, but it doesn't mean you don't have it. So, yeah.Lesley Logan 26:55  Yeah, yeah, okay. It's like, she also just loves our anthem, being in this pod, because she said do it scared. Yep. She said, confidence is a byproduct. It's on the other side of action. So a byproduct of taking action is confidence. That's how you get confidence. Everyone's waiting for confidence. Take action. You gotta take the action to get the confidence, and waiting to feel better about it is a trap. One must still have to take action and show up in this way. So you've got to take the action, guys. And she also said, the confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So do it scared and freaking. Say this episode and go back and listen to her tell you that, because it's I couldn't I was just like, yeah, this is why she's on the pod. Like, literally, to remind people so you be it till you see it. I'm obsessed with you Shante, you guys, they have their own podcast. I also know that since we interviewed them for this and I was like, what do you do right now, they were, you know, sharing like, (inaudible) they did a podcasting course.Brad Crowell 28:00  Oh, cool. The podcast is called Maestro On The Mic.Lesley Logan 28:03  Maestro On The Mic. And also, I love their weekly newsletters. I highly recommend. It's an email I actually do read every week. I really, really like it. And it's also I got her on the pod because I got one. And I said, I fucking love this one. Brad Crowell 28:14  Side note, she's a doctor. Lesley Logan 28:16  Yeah. All right, sorry, Dr. Shante, anyways, she is a doctor. She is a badass. I love her journey. I hope that you saw yourself in some of these things that she said. And Shante is gonna wanna know what your takeaways are, so definitely send her a DM what your favorite part was? Send it to the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. This is how we be it till we see it and until next time, Be it Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:39  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 28:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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Dr. Shanté Cofield, better known as The Movement Maestro, unpack what it really takes to build a business and life that actually feels good. From letting go of roles that no longer serve you to embracing lifestyle design over burnout, she shares the truth about why authenticity is the only sustainable strategy. Whether you're navigating a career shift, battling imposter syndrome, or tired of trying to be someone you're not, this episode will remind you that being yourself isn't just allowed—it's necessary.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How the shift from PT to brand-builder was built on small steps.Why creating a lifestyle business is really about time and balance.How authenticity makes your work sustainable without constant struggle.Why confidence shows up only after you do the thing scared.How borrowing belief from mentors can carry you through doubt.Episode References/Links:The Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.comDr. Shanté Cofield on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/themovementmaestroDr. Shanté Cofield on Threads - https://www.threads.com/@themovementmaestroJill Coleman Website - https://jillfit.comEp. 385 Danny-J Johnson & Jill Coleman - https://beitpod.com/ep385RockTape - https://www.rocktape.comGuest Bio:Dr. Shanté Cofield, widely known as The Movement Maestro, is a former physical therapist turned entrepreneur who has built a thriving career helping health and fitness professionals take their work online. She is the creator and host of Maestro on the Mic, a podcast with more than one million downloads, and the founder of The Movement Maestro LLC, a company dedicated to showing coaches and clinicians how to build authentic personal brands. Based in Southern California, Shanté is recognized for her vibrant teaching style, love of community, and unapologetic approach to living life on her own terms.With a background that blends over a decade in movement science and several years in online business strategy, she equips entrepreneurs to grow without losing sight of the lifestyle they want to create. Her work emphasizes sustainability over hustle, encouraging clients to pursue balance, authenticity, and freedom in their careers. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, get ready. This, this the word this comes up in this podcast so many times as a like, like, double tap, as a thumbs up, as like, high five as, I mean, if I could have done this in person, we would have been like, just high fiving each other the whole time. I am obsessed with this person, Shanté Cofield, the movement maestro, is our guest today, and someone who has impressed me from the moment I was introduced to her in so many freaking ways. And what I love is like I got to watch her on the outside looking in, and then I got to know her on the inside and still, just like we don't live in the same place. So just like watching from afar, and like being an Instagram friend, hopefully real life friend from afar, but then getting to talk to Shanté today and hear the journey that they've been on, the journey that they're still on, the way they make decisions. I'm so excited for you, because no matter if you run your own business, you work for someone, you are a human being, and you are going to hear so many things that it's going to help you be you, be more you. So much permission is going to be granted. And I hope this is an episode that you save and hit on replay, because I know I am, I know I can't even wait to listen to this again. And also, I hope that this allows you, if you don't know who Shanté is, I hope this helps you find them, follow them and and get more from them, because they will they have so much to teach. They're just inherent teachers. So Shanté Cofield, thank you so much in advance. You guys, here is the Be It Pod with Shanté Cofield, enjoy. Lesley Logan 2:23  All right, Be It babe. Get ready. This is gonna be amazing. I know that currently, Brad has no idea who I'm talking to, otherwise he'd be in this room. He'd be so jealous. He loves this person so much. So, Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro, here you are, finally.Shanté Cofield 2:39  Here I am. Thank you for having me on. Lesley Logan 2:40  Oh my god. Shanté Cofield 2:42  I'm excited. I'm actually legitimately excited to be on this positive podcast. I'm like, yeah, let's fucking do it. The energy. Lesley Logan 2:47  This is gonna be great. So here's the thing you guys, I met Shanté through Jill Coleman, who's been on the pod before. And one of the things that you might not well, you know this about yourself because it's what you teach people on but like, I see a recycling truck and I think of you.Shanté Cofield 3:01  As in knowable. And thank you for knowing it's a recycling truck, not the garbage truck. I don't like the garbage truck, it's a recycling truck.Lesley Logan 3:08  And so and then, you know, I was reading I was reading through your form and everything, and I was like, oh, she does have a bright green jeep. That's right, she does. So Shanté, if in case people don't know who you are, can you tell them who you are and what you rock at?Shanté Cofield 3:20  Yes, absolutely. Again, thank you for having me on and you, listening, thank you for being here. I, Shanté Cofield, I think more colloquially or now more commonly known as Maestro. I'm a physical therapist by trade, an entrepreneur by choice, and now I spend my days in Southern California, but try and make the monies I do online business coaching. So like Lesley had said, Jill Coleman is my business partner for one of the projects that we group coaching program that run together, but I help health and fitness pros run, build, grow, profitable. It's an important word there online personal brands. That is my niche, that is my zone of genius, largely using Instagram as their initial kind of top of funnel. Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I love that you had, like, by trade, and then by choice. I think a lot of people get stuck on the by trade, and they kind of don't choose.Shanté Cofield 4:09  Yeah, I'm like, go and do other things.Lesley Logan 4:12  How long ago did you do that, though? And, like, was it the scariest thing? Shanté Cofield 4:16  Totally. So I graduated from PT school in 2010 I did it for eight years, and during that time, kind of on the back end of that, I started working for a company called Rock Tape. So if any of you have seen any colorful tape that the athletes wear, Carrie Walsh really put, like kinesiology tape on the map. I started working for one of those companies, and I was a lead instructor, and I that's when I really found that I love teaching, and I literally traveled the world teaching for them. So, you know, growing up, I wanted to have a job that I could go on planes and I could stay in hotels. Why? I don't know. I don't know why I wanted that, but I did. And then I became a physical therapist, and I was like, well, that's not gonna really allow for that. And then I got that job, and I found myself traveling and teaching across the world, and I concurrently was building my personal brand. Kind of inadvertently building it, not even kind of, 100% inadvertently building a personal brand, as the Movement Maestro on Instagram, because I was like, I have stuff to say, and this is fun, and I'll connect with people. So I did. I practiced for eight years, and just towards the end of it, I was practicing less, and I was teaching more, very much, knowing that I would step back from from treating because I didn't really love it, but it's safe and it's a great first career, but you can't really, in my opinion, teach just from theory, like you have to be practicing still. And I was like, I don't even enjoy this. I don't really want to be doing this anymore. And so the pivot came in 2020 so I was doing things behind the scenes, kind of the online business stuff behind the scenes. I met Jill in 2019 and we linked up. But 2020, I was like, I am done with PT stuff. I'm done talking about it, coaching it, teaching it, working in that field. And then Covid was like, Okay, here you go. And the pivot was actually very easy, because I couldn't travel anymore. I (inaudible) online, and I just brought all of the kind of coaching business stuff that people have been asking me for, just about that front facing. Then stopped with the, the PT stuff. Lesley Logan 6:04  It's funny. Like, I think, you know, obviously 2020, was terrible for so many reasons, and, and also, like, you can't have bad without good. Like, that's a balance. And so, like, if you take advantage of of the the opportunity that it was there, which is like, oh, I can't like the the playground has said that this is the box. And if I, so, how can I be creative in that box? And we also met Jill in 2019 and then, because of a 30-minute talk she did, we like, did her notes, and then I like DM-ed her like, two months, and I was like, just so you know, thanks for what you did in someone else's thing. We did it, and we made $20,000. She's like, who are you? You know, but like, because of how things change, it really did a lend itself for people who wanted to make a big pivot. And I love that you took advantage of that. Shanté Cofield 6:54  100%. Lesley Logan 6:55  I think, like, people who hear that, though, when people work online, they think, oh, my God, you get to work for yourself. It's like the dream life. We're just all printing money. It's like the coffee shop, you guys. Shanté Cofield 7:05  Yes, printing money.Lesley Logan 7:08  You know, I think it's also easy for people to make a switch and then overwork themselves on something that I am so attracted to about you is that you don't do that. Shanté Cofield 7:16  No, I am 100% of the lifestyle business mindset. And mind you, lifestyle business doesn't mean like being a pauper. It's just like, what's the lifestyle that you want? And if you want some extravagant, you know, lifestyle, then you're gonna have to work and earn, you know, commensurate with that. But for me, it is the reason I do what I do and make any money, is so that I can live in the way that I want, you know, and I want to have a lot of time to do the stuff I want to do on a play guitar. I go to the beach a ton. Jill and I are really good balance in that way, because Jill loves the work. She loves it. She loves being in it. She loves the strategy. And I'm like, I'm going to go to the beach now. I'm going to go and play volleyball. I'm going to go downstairs and lift. I have a gym that we put in in the house. So it's like, yes, I have to make enough money that allows for that lifestyle, but the reason that I do things in my first choice will always be, I'm going to go out and live and do the fun activities or stay home and do the activities, as opposed to being like, work, work, work.Lesley Logan 8:12  So is that easy for you? Like, is that how you've always been? Like is it hard for people around you?Shanté Cofield 8:18  I think that it is, there's a definitely, I love you asked this question because I think it's super important when we're listening to people speak, and we're looking to take lessons from them and advice from them that we also realize where they are in life, like I'm 40, right? So it's not that if I would not be saying this if I was 20, right? So when I was 20, I was in I was in college, and then I immediately after that, I was in grad school, and then I was living in New York City, working a lot like, still very much, being like, I want this. I want to be able to do things on my own time. But knew that I couldn't. I was like, I have to work and I'm have no money, and I live in New York City. But that was definitely always the goal, whether I realized it or not, was this time, flexibility and being in control of my own time. So it is easy for me to do that now, and it's all that I want to do now, and I can actually afford to do that. And I'm able to do that because I'm not 20 I'm not 25 like I do think that there is a time in life when, like, you grind, right? The analogy I like to use is surfing, right? If I don't, first of all, I live by the ocean. I don't go in the water, but I understand it, right? Lesley Logan 9:22  I love you so much because I love the ocean. But I don't go usually I'm like, I don't like anything touching me that I can't see. Shanté Cofield 9:30  I could. I will look at it. I don't need to be up in the ocean. But I watch all the surfers there, and it's like, if you want to ride the wave, if you want to coast, you have to paddle out. You don't just end up out there on the wave and like, oh, look at me. Like, you have to, first of all, I don't watch people surfing like, this is like, so much work, and they're not going, like, under the waves, and that things are hitting them and the board is going backwards. There's a lot of work that gets put up, that gets done, gets front loaded, and then you're like, all right, cool. I can ride this wave and sit here. I can pick which wave I ride, but that's after all the work comes. So no, no, it's not a hard thing for me to decide to do now or live into now. But also, like, I'm 40, I'm not 25.Lesley Logan 10:10  I actually, that's so funny. You know, you have the idea people think that, like, people are served are just like, easy going, like they're just like, actually, like, they're the most organized, hard working folks I've ever met, because they're like, they know when the waves are going to be great. They work there. They schedule everything around that. They work really hard. Like, I went to a yoga teacher who was like, so zen, so chill. He taught at 5 am then he was out riding the waves, and he taught again at 9 am he would like.Shanté Cofield 10:37  This, absolutely, absolutely.Lesley Logan 10:40  But I want to see them, like, hanging loose, or what a hanging 10, and they're like, oh, but they have they're chill. It's like, actually. So that's such a beautiful analogy. I think it's really fun. I always tell people like, when I'm doing interviews, like, why I'm 42 because I think, like, you do have to say, like, it. I can say this and I can work my schedule really does my work schedule really is only nine to four, because when I was 30, this was six to seven.Shanté Cofield 11:06  (inaudible) like, I need you to understand that folks that like that is how it works. Like, in general, I love that you typed into that with with surfers. And one thing I think about with that is that form allows for flow right where, like, yeah, he has a schedule and he has, like, this times, and like, yes, we are dictated by, like, what weather is doing, right? And that allows for me to be able to, like, go with the flow, because I had these things, whether that's like in a time, like a looking across a timeline that I did these things first, or I'm looking at within my day, and it's like, okay, I structured this, this and this, so that I can just be chill, going with the flow, if you will, during these other times. Absolutely. Lesley Logan 11:41  Yeah, but is it? Is it easy for the people around you? Because I know, like, I like, I have learned this is when I'm creative. This is when I can actually do the best coaching. If I miss this opportunity, we're not even posting because it doesn't, it's not even gonna work for me. Like, I just, you know, I love about and, like, there are other people like, oh, you're like, like, I feel like you're you're so cold. Like, I'm not cold. 6am to 9am is my time. You cannot be in my time.Shanté Cofield 12:04  No, no one has had an issue. I mean, my partner, Lex, she does online business. She gets it. She's known me for a long time too, so she knows how I am. And I think that exactly what you just said one of the best things, and we've talked about this a little bit before we got on the call, like this, like this idea of authenticity, that can be kind of overused as a word, but one of the biggest gifts of like, actually showing up authentically, is that you give other people permission to do the same, right? Not that they need it, but like they are looking for it. And so when you show up and you're like, Yeah, this is what I do. This is the time I take. This is how, like, when I'm going to be doing this, I'm putting myself first. I'm scheduling this first. You give other people the permission to do that. And people like that. They're like, oh, if maybe, maybe they have some initial pushback, but that's because they're like, oh shit, you just held up a mirror. And now I have to look at myself and be like, Am I doing that? I could do that. What's stopping me from doing that? So I've had no pushback with it at all. You know, I've I say this whenever I go on podcasts or talk about things like so much of everything I credit to my mom, and just like how she raised me and I, she's always supported me. There was never a like, but what about or none of that. It was just like, okay, you have soccer. I'm taking you. You want to do this? Okay. Like, there was never anything but support. So I've never, I've never been in an environment. I never thought to be in an environment or been okay in an environment where someone's like, pushing back on just how I am, I'd be like, why? What is this about? Lesley Logan 13:27  What a cool mom. What a cool, like, evolved, healthy. Shanté Cofield 13:33  Super fortunate. Lesley Logan 13:34  Yeah, yes. And also let, like, it allows for you to be you, and then again, be that mirror for other people. So okay, it's called Be It Till You See It because I don't like the way fake it till you make it sounds. And I have always been someone who, like, is like, okay, I don't know how to be the person who runs a business by herself. So what if I had to know? And like, what would I do if I had to know? So that's kind of how I've always run things out. And so one of the things that, like, you know, I followed you for years, and I love about you, like, I find, and I'm sure this is like, literally, what you deal with is, like, so many people are afraid to put themselves out there as either themselves or the person that they would like people to see them as, and you teach that. And also, like, you know, in the last recent shit show we've all been in, I've watched you continue to show up authentically, and so I guess I want to know, like, are there tips for being it till you see it online? Shanté Cofield 14:26  Yeah, yeah. This is why I'm really excited to come on this podcast, because it is something that I've learned, that this is what I do and teach. I didn't go into online space or anything with that be like, this is what I'm gonna help people with. But, you know, Movement and Instagram and online business, it's all just been a vehicle to help people live into themselves and create their best lives. And I didn't realize that that was a difficult thing for people. And I don't see that as like, oh, it's so easy. It was just like, that's not the world that I was in in any way. And so when you start talking about you're like, oh, this is something that's difficult for you, for many reasons. Society is designed so that this is difficult for you, like, and then seeing that be like, okay, let me see what I can do, or what I've been doing, and kind of like, put a process to it, if you will, to try and help people. I think that the most, the simplest, easiest thing, the action item, is do it scared. Like, there's no other way around it. I think that we like to kind of, like, cerebralize things and be like, I'm gonna try and dissect it. And why am I like this? And why do I do something that's helpful and fine, but like, you still have to then do it. There's no that. There's no like, I'm gonna think my way out of this or into this. It's like, I still have to take the action and show up in this way. So if we're waiting to, like, feel better about it, we know that this confidence is a byproduct, right? It's on the other side of action. So there's a line that I give people that I tell people, I'm like, do it scared, right? Yes, there can be action items of, like, accountability, or you're like, I'm working with somebody and like, I just have to show up, I have to post. I've given myself timeframes and constraints so that, because we know deadlines are magic. But the to me, the big take home is there, do it scared. You're probably, it's probably going to feel uncomfortable, it's probably going to feel far and it's probably not going to feel good. You're probably going to be like, having all these thoughts, do it anyway, because the feeling you're searching for, the confidence, all of that, it's on the other side of the action.Lesley Logan 16:17  Yeah, oh yeah. It's really true. Like people so we have, since I last saw you, like, we actually have, like, streamlined so many things. And because of all the coaching I've done for 10 plus years, and because the world made me put everything out in blogs back in the day and videos, we were able to train an actual bot to be me, right? And it's great. It's fabulous. She, she has the best grammar that I never had. I'm like, wow, I love that the internet's helping with the commas. Like, it's so great. But somebody asked my bot, like, you know, a question where, like, you know, confidence came up, and my bot said a very true story about how I had, you know, like, I do these things scared. I'm not always confident with what I'm doing and the person's like, you're not always confident. You seem so confident. And it's so funny, because, like, I think people are so good at seeing what they want to see in other people you know that right there, because they don't see they don't see, oh, she's doing that scared. They see, they only see it as, like, she's confident. And it's really, like, I tell everyone, I do everything, like, as if the roller coaster is like, at the tip and I'm screaming down the other side and hoping I'm just gonna go with the flow of it all, because you get confident from doing the thing you said you're gonna do. Shanté Cofield 17:32  It's on the other side of it. I think, you know, there's also a lot to be said from drawing from data, right? Like, I'm a physical therapist by trade. That's science through and through. It's how my brain works. I want logic. I want reason. I want things to be rational. There's so much to be said to actually generating evidence and generating data first and then then the second part, which is hard for people, is believing it like there's always this discussion around imposter syndrome. There's a lot of, you know, routes we can take and how it's like, societally imposed, and all these other things. And I'm like, for me, part of the rational side of it is, I'm like, maybe you're just not that good yet. If you just started, why would you be good at this thing? So you feeling like, I'm not good enough. It's like, you're right. Clap for yourself. You're right. You're not that good yet. And then we go and we learn the things and we get the rest. And then this is where I see the switch doesn't flip. You have to choose to believe that evidence, because I'll have people that like do the things and I'm like, you've been doing this shit for five years. You're still not confident, like, you have to choose to believe it then. Day one, no, you're not good. Objectively, you're not like, it's okay. Year five. You are better. You have to look at all of this data that you have generated, and then you have to choose to believe it, and then act from that. Can you still and will you still be scared or have feelings about certain things? Yes, but it's typically the new things that you haven't done. Moving forward, you have this new foundation. You have stepping stones that you've literally laid in place yourself, and you have to choose to believe the structural integrity of these things.Lesley Logan 19:01  I I'm obsessed with that (inaudible) and I'll okay, Seth Godin, like, probably this is a decade ago, I was listening to podcasts when I couldn't afford coaching. I was like, these people are my coach. And Seth Godin was like, being asked about imposter syndrome, and he said, if you're new at something, you are, in fact, an imposter. And he's just right, so just feel those feelings, and then take the steps to not be that way. And I was like, and he also said, and then also take it as a sign that you're probably not a narcissist as well. So when you, yeah, because you care. So we can remove now that we've, like, established you're not a crazy ego narcissist and you are new. Allow yourself to be new, but then go do the thing. And I so I have had some people, some teachers, at my house, and they graduate from my mentorship program, and they were here at the house for retreat, and when I was like, oh, I can't do this exercise. I can't do this exercise. And I was like, okay, well, let's just see what you can do. So they do it, and they come right up, and I'm like, so you just did it. Shanté Cofield 19:59  So you can, actually, objectively. Lesley Logan 20:02  Yeah and I'm like, you need to believe in you more than I believe in you. Like, yes, I'm a teacher. Right?Shanté Cofield 20:09  That, that is huge, Lesley, that is huge. And I think that one of the things that I will talk to people about, or say to people as they're on this journey, is borrowing confidence, right? And so when we're starting out and we're new with something, one of the best gifts you can give yourself is if someone chooses to believe in you believe them. And so I think about, you know, you had asked, what the podcast, and I love, by the way, how organized your shit is. But one of the things I was asking, in that little, little pre podcast thing, and I was thinking of like, you know, instances, and for me, it was starting with Rock Tape and starting to teach with them. I did reach out, because I was like, I can do this because I was five years into my career already. It wasn't like day one. I was like, I can get people better. Like, I could do this. I could learn and, like, learn how to teach this. But like, I have a solid foundation. I'm good at what I do. But going into this, one of the women, one of the head woman, Allison, Allison Evans, who is my self-pointed mentor. We still talk like nearly every day. She believed in me, and she really believed that I could do this and could teach and like she put me on stages and helped me, and I was like, I'm going to choose to believe her. And that confidence, I did have to borrow it like I had my own coming in, but any that I needed, I would borrow from her and then use that moving forward, so that one of the best gifts that you can give yourself, if you are foundering, faltering a little bit having unsure about things, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. Lesley Logan 21:34  Ah, I want to put that on replay. Everyone's gonna rewind that. I wanna put that on replay because, like, I it's so true, years it was probably like 20 this was like 2018 and I had and I had, I had been traveling a bit to I was being hired to teach in different countries, and I was always so shocked. I'm like, oh my god, they found me. This is like, you guys, this is 2014-15. I wasn't really doing it on Instagram. They were finding me through like YouTube and then word of mouth. So then it's like 2018, a girlfriend of mine wanted to host this big event. And she was like, she was picking all of her friends to, like, do it, because we believed in her, right? But so I believed in her that she could do this event. And I found myself on a stage, my husband was actually micing me up. There's 85 people in this class, and I was like, Is this mic on? He goes, No. And I was like, I think I'm a little bit nervous. Like, I think there's a mistake here, right? Like, and he goes, why? And I was like, well, I just don't know, like, 85 people. I've never taught 85 people. And I'm looking at this front row, and there's like, famous teachers in the front row and brand new people in the front row, and I'm having just, like, a little having a little moment, a little imposter moment. And he goes, how is this different than anything you've already done? And it was like, I needed to go back and borrow that comment and also be reminded you've actually done this. It's just more people.Shanté Cofield 22:46  That that that you're human, the reminders, the other people, the people that are believing you, that people are giving them around, like, take all of this. Take all of it. Yes, yes. Yes times a million. Lesley Logan 22:57  Yeah, yeah. Um, okay. So you, you have, you went from, I mean, like, I love Rock Tape, thank God for Rock Tape. But between that, Pilates saved my knees and my hips from all my running career. So very appreciative. And then you got into what people would say is, like, a huge pivot, like, I don't know that many people would like the trend of like, oh, you go your physical therapist, and you're a Rock Tape expert, and then you teach people how to be on Instagram. Shanté Cofield 23:27  Yeah, right. Lesley Logan 23:28  So you had the teacher confidence in you from the teaching you've done, but and you had the confidence in what you've put out and what you grew on your own. But what was the be it till you see it? How did you like, how did you set yourself up to, like, coach people on something completely different than what you went to college studying all that?Shanté Cofield 23:45  Totally, totally. I love the phrase that it's be it till you see it, because you're not actually faking it, right? So to me that my, one of my whole sticks is safety and having a safety net. And so from the outside, people will think you've taken massive leaps. And then if they're like, behind the scenes, or if they actually were with you the whole time, they realize, like, there's these little steps that you just, like, didn't fucking stop them. So everything led to the next thing you know, being able to be on social media and being able to teach in person and give presentations came from the fact that I did it for a zillion years, right? Growing up, going through high school, going through college, and then, PT school, you did a million presentations, so like, going and doing more of them. I'm like, this is the same it's actually not an issue at all. Being able to speak to people and connect with people. That's from being a physical therapist like, that's literally all you do all day long, right? This skill set just carries over to the next thing, coaching, things. I've been in sports my whole life. I've been coaching my whole life. So then going into the online business realm, it wasn't so much of a pivot, because I was doing PT. All I did was I took all my PT stuff and I started putting it on Instagram. Because I was like, I started using Instagram simply because I was like, I would like to connect with other people. I didn't do it to this is 2014 right? I didn't do it to start a brand. I didn't do it because, like, no one was really doing it, to be completely honest, in terms of, like, the PT world there was like, (inaudible) was doing it, Perry Nicholson was doing it. But it wasn't like a big thing to see, like, PTs and Kairos just like.Lesley Logan 25:05  Yeah. I know it's hard for people to believe, but there was a window where social media was just social.Shanté Cofield 25:10  Yeah, right, like, here's my breakfast. There was no. Lesley Logan 25:14  I know. Here's a sunrise. I look at the sunrise. I did just look at this tree. Shanté Cofield 25:18  On my high tone filter here. Like it was not, it was like, not a thing. So I was like, okay, I see people doing it. I just want to connect with people and like, I'm, mind you, I'm five years into my career by now. Like, I was like, I can literally just take what I've been doing during the day. Videos was only 15 seconds long. Like, first iPhone didn't even have, like, a camera, I mean, a video on it. Like it was just like, this is very different way of doing things a different time. So I'm taking my PT stuff, I'm putting that on social media. I grow a following behind that, thinking I wanted to work with CrossFitters, but who followed me was other PTs. And I see why, like, looking back, I'm like, the language I was using, how I was showing up. So then I start teaching them things. I'm running courses. So, like, I'm able to run my own courses, because I worked for Rock Tape, at that point, four years. And so I knew how to run a course. I knew how much I would need to charge in order to, like, turn a profit on this. I had connections all around. I launched my personal course in Australia and New Zealand because I had connections from Rock Tape so it wasn't like, how could you launch a course abroad? I'm like, because I've already done literally 500 like, right? It's not a big thing. So from the outside, maybe it looks like that. From the inside, it's like, it's just the next step. As I'm running all these courses, and anytime I would go and they would, I would be specifically asked to teach a course. I by the by the, like, year three of this, I already knew if that facility asked for me specifically, I already knew that owner was going to be like, hey, can we go out to dinner? And then they were going to ask me business stuff. And they were like, going, they were like, gonna be like, I wanna leave. I wanna do something else. So getting asked all these questions, starting to work with those people, but it was just behind the scenes. People didn't know I'm doing it, but I'm like, I've been doing this for years. So then 2019 comes. I start bringing more of it front facing. Jill and I host a live event. That was my first live event with, like, online business. And I was like, okay, this is new, but I'm borrowing confidence from Jill. Jill believes in me. Cool. I'm going to just stay in my lane with this stuff and teach this stuff and go into that even, because I've been doing it like behind the scenes, but not so front facing. And then 2020 I literally just took all the stuff that I was doing behind the scenes and brought it front facing, right so that, and largely what I was doing initially in 2020 was teaching people how teaching people how to bring their presence online. It wasn't so much of the true like launch strategy and things like that that I learned a ton from Jill and then also going through that subsequently. But I started out with what I knew and what I've been helping with people with already. So the pivot felt like a lot like looked like a lot from the outside, but behind the scenes, it was literally like, okay, it's just the next stepping stone, and taking all that I've done with me and using it for the next step. Lesley Logan 27:46  I am so obsessed with the way that you like, talked about what people see on the outside, and then the baby steps behind the scenes, because I do think that they go, oh, you know, Lesley does this, and she does this, and she does this, and so I'm gonna go do these things. And it's like, okay, behind the scenes, there are 20 people who do the million steps. There are, like, from the time I end this call with you, I don't touch this again until a recap episode, and it goes through all the things that does all this stuff. And then I don't, I just hear it on the places you listen to podcasts too. Like, yeah, because, because behind the scenes, you're not, no one's posting. That's boring. No one actually wants to know how many baby steps are back there. But I also want to highlight that you like, you took what you were being asked a lot, and the experiences you were having, and you were utilizing that. And I think where a lot of people, they try to create it from the end point from, like, where this like, oh, here's Shanté on the stage. So I'm going to do what Shanté is doing on the stage, and then what am I going to talk about? What if you, you know, you got to go back behind the scenes, and like you mentioned earlier, where it's like, I didn't know people had a hard time doing this thing that came so easy to me. And I think, like for anyone listening, if you're wondering what you might be doing, whatever you think is easy, someone else, a lot of other people, think is so hard. They think it's so hard.Shanté Cofield 29:02  That, you're like, oh, I had no idea. Oh, I think that that gets at kind of like, one thing we haven't discussed is, like the societal implications, right? Like, how society and patriarchy and supremacy culture play into all of this, and we are fed this lie that success requires struggle, right, there's a difference. Success requires hard work, but not struggle. So if you go back to this, the surfer analogy, this would be like, you don't know how to swim. You hate the water. There's sharks in there. And people think like, that's how you have to do it in order to be able to like surf. And I'm like, you should maybe stay on land and, like, play volleyball, like, don't do something else, don't even like swimming. Like, what are you? Why do we think we have to be the struggle and such? Yes, there is hard work, but it is with things that you enjoy doing, with people you enjoy being around. And then it doesn't feel like this, like, God, I'm like, pulling teeth, and it's the worst thing ever. I truly believe that humans, left to their own devices, they will create, they will work hard, they will do so much. People are not inherently lazy. We all know, anyone that's listening to this, you have any if you've ever created something of anything, and you're like, I like this thing. You will stay up all night, you'll miss meals, you'll skip these things. I just want to finish this thing like that, it's in us, but we fed this lie that we have to struggle and we have to suffer and it has to be the worst thing ever. It doesn't have to be yes, it's a lot of work. Yes, we should probably expand our timelines for things, right? We'd have timelines in terms of minutes and I'm like, make it years and you'll never fail. Yeah, right now it's minutes and you're like, I didn't do it yet. But if you are finding things, leaning into these things and like, Hey, I'm naturally good at it. That's a good thing. But we're kind of taught, oh, you're naturally good at it. It's easy. That means that you're lazy, or that if you're if you're going to do that, that means that, like, you're taking the easy route, and that's bad. And it's like, no, do the things that you like, do the things that come easily, that that is great. That's what we're going for, not this life of like I hate the things I have to go to, where I have to do this, I have to struggle and suffer for it to be worthwhile. No, no, absolutely not. Lesley Logan 31:06  No. And I think there's, I love the distinction of hard work versus struggle. And you mentioned that, like, like, the the interesting thing, I don't know, intriguing, the crazy thing about the society that we are in currently, it is, like, before I before I before I go on this with you, my team is like, hey, which of these podcasts do you want us to pitch you to? I was like, looking and I'm like, you guys, anything that is just looks like an alpha male, like you can just say no. Like, you don't, you don't have to ask me. I don't care if it's a point 1% podcast. I don't care if I'm the first expert ever. They want to talk about Pilates and how it's good for them. Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, like, I cannot handle that vibe, and I don't need to. I can work hard and not struggle, and that would be a struggle, right? So, like, you know, I I like, no. And I think what a lot of people have done online is like, oh, that's popular. What this dickhead over here is doing is doing is popular, and using the red and the orange, and, like, claiming out, I'm gonna eat only steak and so I'm gonna go that way, you know. And like, people have forgotten to, like, be themselves and be different.Shanté Cofield 32:11  This, this, this, this, this times a million times a million. We're looking at sustainability as well, right? Like, sustainability and longevity, because that's what the play should be, being anything but yourself is unsustainable, yeah? Like, it may bring it might bring you flash in the pan, success. It might it absolutely, you might be able to trend track something and ride that wave for a short term. You might. But we also see, we've seen it publicly in social media, where people are like, I have to stop doing social media. I built this thing. I hate it. I have this massive audience. It's fake. I don't like it. And it's like, yeah. And I'm also thinking about, we're just seeing the end product of that right, where they're just like, I'm so unhappy. I have to, like, stop this person's been living like that for however long. Like, that's not, life is short, man, we're not here to be miserable every day and baking this thing like, I love that you're not this fake it till you make it. I'm like, people be faking it till they die, you know. Like, that's not.Lesley Logan 33:13  It's not it. It's really not so. And talk about like imposters, and you'll never feel that way. I'll so Martha Stewart is not one of my favorite people in the world, although she's a badass and like, let's just give her that. And also, she hasn't been to prison. That was a, just, just a woman doing something a man does, and they're gonna put her in prison. Yeah, so if they want to imprison them on it, then fine, I'm okay with it. But if we're not doing that anyways, different argument. But she had her version of The Apprentice. Like, when I was like, you know, I don't know, maybe was in college or in high school, and I remember someone said, well, we gotta fake it till you make it. And Martha said, We never fake anything around here. And I was like, I mean, come on, Martha, you fake a little bit, right? Like, like, I had this thing. Like, I just remember, and I remember that going, like, really, you don't fake anything. And then as I got older, and I started, like, evaluate I was doing, I was like, I'm not faking anything. This is me. But like, acting like if I had the if I knew how that worked, or if I wasn't scared. So it's just, you know, when we think of what actors do, we don't call them faking it when they're on white lotus, they are acting like this weird character. You know, it gives me nightmares. Yeah? So it's just like, you get to act like the person who would have the confidence you act like the person, who is doing the hard work but not struggling, that helps you make decisions that you can filter through until you are you realize one day you woke up and you are that person. That's who you are, because that's who you always were.Shanté Cofield 34:32  That, that last part though. Lesley, I think that's really huge, because that's who you always were. There's something to be said, if you really sit and dissect this, like, be it till you see it, it's not faking it because, like, it is you, like, maybe you don't know this thing, but it's still you, it's still you choosing to do this. It's still you having the confidence to do this thing. You're not lying to saying to someone and being like, I'm a surgeon, like, that is different. That's completely different, but it is you. But there is no fake to this, like, whether or not it's just the nuance and the verbage there is that you don't have the like, the confidence that you believe someone who's like been this way for a long time has, but it's still you, still in it. Lesley Logan 35:17  Speaking of still you, you've always been the person that I like look to when it's like, okay, what's going on with Instagram? Like, what's going on this thing? Lesley, just get out of your fucking way and do, just do a just do the thing. Like, I'm just like, such a reluctant Instagrammer, because I've done so well with the YouTubes and the other things and so to me, like, I'm just kind of like, I don't, I always hop on trends. Like, I'm like, I'm just like, here's, I'm too busy actually. So here's here's here's a picture of me and my assistant, and I'll get back to you next week, because I got a lot to do, but something that like you I I've been watching you, and you're so good, and you are so creative, and you're always so consistent. And also, after the election, you, to me, I think on the outsider's perspective, people might have thought you were pivoting. You were being you in my, because, maybe because I know you behind the scenes a bit, but like, it didn't seem like a pivot. It seemed like you just got, like, turning the volume up on you. How did is that what you felt like you were doing? Do you feel like you were like, do you did you have pushback when people say you've changed?Shanté Cofield 36:19  There was no, this is a great question. There was no overt pushback. There was obviously, like, losing of followers, right? So there's like a silence pushback, if you will. But I, flip side of that is I didn't have anyone that was like, stay in your lane or stick to politics. Like no one said anything to me. They were just like, okay, I'm gonna show myself the door. And I'm like, that's cool. I also will say, I don't look at numbers. I hate looking at numbers. I hate when people are like so in the numbers, because I also believe that, especially on Instagram, a lot of numbers are fake, not even like people buying followers. I'm like in you think that 60,000 people like this is Instagram with fake money, right? Using house money and rewarding certain behavior and being like, hey, we like what you're doing. We're going to give you followers, don't like what you're doing, we're going to take them away. Like, the metrics that I want people looking at, if we're going to talk Instagram, is going to be your actual interaction. How many comments are you getting, and are they real? Like, are you talking to people? How many DMs? How many conversations are you having? That's the stuff that I care about. And while I lost quote, unquote followers, or I should say, well, I lost quote, unquote followers, that's what I want to be quoting there, my engagement and my DMs did not go down. I got more comments on the post that I've been doing since the election. So I'm like, I'm good actually, and I think that my audience this is I've been showing up this way long enough of just like this is me, and what topic am I speaking about? Right? My whole shtick has been, build, create, live your best life, and we're doing it with authenticity, because otherwise it's not sustainable. It's not your best life. It's some caricatures, you know, best life. And I've just used vehicles right, across the years. It's been vehicles, it's been physical therapy, it's been Movement, it's been Instagram, it's been online business. And now I, you know, I'm just speaking to certain points that are just like this, just, like this, just, we're just talking about life now, there's nothing in in between to like, create metaphors for you. We're just talking about life. I'm just asking you to look at the things that you're doing on the day to day, and the things that are happening around us and the implications of that, and speaking to that. So, you know, it hasn't been difficult in the sense of showing up that way, but it has been difficult for me to have the desire to put out what I consider to be trivial things. I understand it can be helpful for certain people, but like, that's not where I'm at. I also have, like, this kind of, like internal clock that, like, kind of resets every five years when I'm like, okay, something new. So PT was five years, and then the last three I was teaching and shifting away from treating, and then 2020 hit, and I'm, you know, doing all online business. I'm like, it's 2025 my clock is like, yeah, next step. What? What else is there? Lesley Logan 38:51  I love that you have that awareness of yourself. I felt like I have a seven year clock. And I only learned that, like in the like, last year, I was like, kind of felt like, like, I felt like I was claustrophobic in my own clothes, you know. And, you know, here's the thing, like, again, behind the scenes, no one can see what we're having to do to pivot businesses, you know. And it takes time and what I just love that you mentioned, like, it's hard to post about trivial things, or things that feel trivial to me. It has, I will be honest, like, in the ever since, like, the last year, of like, oh, fuck, this is where we're headed. I'm like, does it really? Do you really need a fucking tip on that? Because there's a YouTube video like, I I'm trying to figure that. I'm trying to figure out, how do I, like, how do I as female business owner who coaches female business owners whose clients are coming in and telling them stupid shit about the economy, who's making them doubt that they should raise their rates, even though their rent went up, their utilities went up. Like, the cost to have employees went up. Like, yeah, you have to raise your rates, because that's the only way you stay in business. It's you are not a charity. You are a. Business. If you want to be a charity, go file for that. You know, I am so I I appreciate that, because I had, I found like, you know, not just like, what has gone on with politics, but like, in the last month, we had something happen in our family, and I'm like, I just, I have these brands who want me to post something I I'm sorry, like, I'm gonna fail you right now, what I love is like, you're such, you are human, and you give so many people permission to be that. And I didn't even post a ton. Mostly was all my stories. I was like, if you follow me, like, you're gonna get the real me. And then the stories is where it is. And I people, you know, I just really liked it when you didn't talk about politics. And I said, I'm so sorry. I'm a female business owner that is political. Like, like, I might have privileges of a white person, but like, I'm still a female business owner who literally only gets people to answer things if I, I have my husband on calls for things. Like, I have a I have, like, here it's your job.Shanté Cofield 40:51  People are people, audacity. I wish that the people we coach and people listening to this have the audacity of that person. It comes into your DMs and is like, here's how you should run your account. I wish we all had that audacity. Lesley Logan 41:04  Yes, yes. Oh, my God. Shanté Cofield 41:06  Where did that come from? Lesley Logan 41:07  Yes, we need to find these people. Like, teach them audacity because it's what, that's the word, it is. And like, I just said, I said, oh, you know, this is my account. Like, so I I said, I was just like, this is my account. And like, I think rights are, are actually, like, just real and human rights. But if you don't like hearing about that, you don't have to follow me here. You can just go for free and go on YouTube. In fact, they'll make sure whatever ads you get the ones you wanted. And you can, you can actually just search for the content that you want from me, and if you want to pay for it. In my membership group, we don't talk about politics, but just remember, everything is.Shanté Cofield 41:43  Exactly. Everything is political, and people see that. I'm like, you're just saying that it hasn't affected you. I'm like, but it is. It hasn't affected you in a negative way. I'm like, it's just affecting you, but positively or neutrally, like. So it hasn't been hard to switch to speak about that it's been hard to like, you said, the behind the scenes, business side of things. Like, I run, my number one program that I run is an Instagram intensive, and I haven't run it this year because I'm just like, what do I want to do with this thing? Like, how do I want this thing to look? How do I do I want to do this? Am I wanting to encourage people to go and spend their time with this? Is this company that doesn't give shits of value? Like, there's a lot of thinking around the the intentionality piece. And I'm fortunate in a fortunate place that I like have, I have the savings to be able to, like, chill out, and I have other programs going on, and I already have clients that I can be been working with one on one, so I can hold off on that thing. But that, that has been the only difficulty, but.Lesley Logan 42:38  I thank you for sure, because I think, like when everything went down, I had people in my group going, I don't, I don't want to post on these platforms, because I don't want to give them anything. And I was like, okay, first of all, I agree. Like, I like, just know that, like, thank you. And also, what I will always coach you on is you have to be where they your people are. So where are your people? Because if they are there, then if you're not there, then some dude on rib-eye steak for three meals a day is gonna sell to them. Like they're gonna, they're gonna buy the solution to their problem. So then it's kind of like, how do we play in the field, you know, like, how do we do it? And so that's always been a game. It's always been the game like, how do we play in this, like, the sandbox that gets them out of that sandbox and over into the sandbox we want to play in.Shanté Cofield 43:25  Absolutely, the intentionality and taking a moment and, like, again, bang, bang. Having time is a luxury, right? Time is to me, like, it circles back to being a conversation of, like, what ultimately I wanted, and having this lifestyle business. It's the translation of that is having time flexibility and having time ownership, right? Where I have the time to sit and Covid, we saw the importance of time during Covid. We call it the great pause, because it gave people a moment to be like, wait, what do I want? How do I want to do things? Do I believe in this? Do I agree with this? When we're living in a world that's so fast paced, and you just have to, like, you're just trying to eat, you're just trying to, like, get through the day, you don't have the luxury, you don't the ability to sit and think and be like, so intentional with things, right? It's all by design, right? I can sound like a tin hat. I don't care. It's all by design. I'm in a place where I have the luxury to sit and be like, okay, I want to be intentional in community, super intentional with my business and how I'm showing up and how I'm helping people. What does that look like? Like I totally agree, there's a huge (inaudible) and when it comes to social media, because it's like, yes, these businesses and supporting them, and you're like, But the flip side is, how do I support my people? And if it's like, I have to stay with this nonsense and in this sandbox so that I can reach these people, because that's where they're at, I'm going to do that. And yes, I'm going to have to move them somewhere else and do other things and show up with my values and encourage them to do the same. But you know, this is taking a beat, taking a moment to really fit and identify that, and not just being like, knee jerk, like, I'm done with it all. And like, yeah, I'm burning it all down. It's like, if that's what you want to do, fine, but I'm looking at what's the outcome of that. Why am I doing that? And if my goal is to be able to help people and like, let me take a moment and figure out what feels best and how I want to do that. Lesley Logan 45:01  Yeah, I could talk to you forever, Shanté, I'm just obsessed. And really, we need to have a hang next time you're here, next time I'm there, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Shanté Cofield 45:12  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 45:13  All right, Shanté, where do you hang out? And we said Instagram. But also, like, give them all the deets. Where can they stalk you in a good way?Shanté Cofield 45:19  Yeah, the deets, I try to keep everything consistent, is just type in The Movement Maestro anywhere, and it'll come up, and then you can do whatever you want with it. My website, movementmaestro.com, Instagram, The Movement Maestro. I'm on threads as The Movement Maestro, and that's the easiest, the easiest thing, if you want to chat, I'm in my DMs. I haven't been posting as much as I usually do, but I will answer a DM in two seconds. I don't like email, so go to my website and email me, but I probably won't get back to you. Someone from my team may get back, maybe. Maybe I'll have Rupert, my cat, get back, but (inaudible).Lesley Logan 45:51  Oh, I will tell you how I got out of my inbox, and I'm loving it. Now I have to, actually, my sister's like you do have to go and respond to the five that I couldn't do. I was like, okay, alright, I'll get there. All right. You have truly given us so much, but you know, we, it would, wouldn't be Be It Till You See It Podcast without the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it? What do you have for us?Shanté Cofield 46:11  We're going to circle back, because repetition is key. Once is never, and I'm going to say what I said before. Just do it scared, right? The confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So, do it scared.Lesley Logan 46:27  Yeah, yeah. We firmly believe in that. We cosign on that. And once you do it scared, make sure you let The Movement Maestro know and let Be It Pod know because then we can celebrate you. Because guess what? Celebration is how habits are created. That's how the dopamine hits the brain. It's all science people, all right, loves. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 47:28  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 47:33  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 47:37  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 47:44  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 47:48  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Lesley Logan brings you another round of Friday wins to inspire your week. She shares a powerful story of fathers reuniting with daughters, a community win about commitment and accountability, and her own personal milestone with Brad. This episode is all about connection, celebration, and remembering there's room for you at the table.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. Happy Friday. We made it. We did it. We're here. I am so excited for these short episodes, because they're just, they're here to inspire you. And honestly, like, sometimes, like, we were kids, like, didn't we, like, live for Fridays. And now it's kind of like, okay, we made it. We survived. There's a lot going on. There's a lot always going on. There's always been that way. But these episodes are here to remind you that there's still things that you can celebrate. There's still good stuff that's happening. You're still doing things, even if around you, if it just feels like chaos and overwhelm. So I share a winof yours, a win of mine, also some inspiration from something that I saw, that we can all think about, celebrate or get mad about, and then a little mantra for you to take with you on your way. And hopefully it's something you can share with a friend or run a Post-It, and I love for you to your share your wins, to send them into the beitpod.com/questions. But this really inspired me. So this is really, really cool. 16 incarcerated fathers were reunited with their daughters for a daddy-daughter dance held inside the prison. Freaking the coolest thing the prison system, like bothers me so much because we don't do a really good job like rehabilitating people, making people feel like human beings. We treat them like animals, and we want them to act like a human and like Maslow's hierarchy of needs is like a real thing. So this is so cool, and it's so it says, for a few sacred hours, San Quentin didn't feel like prison. The prison chapel transformed into a holy ground, draped walls, soft music, a red carpet, floral centerpieces replaced concrete and coldness. For a moment, it was hard to believe we were still in a maximum security prison. Outside, 16 incarcerated fathers stood waiting, some in suits for the first time, others trembling as they tied ties with unsteady hands. They waited for years, for this moment, some decades, then the doors open. There's actually like a whole documentary on YouTube. Now I gotta go watch it. But the daughter stepped on the red carpet, little girls in bright dresses, grown women with hearts full of ache and hope. One by one, they walked into arms that had long to hold them. I'm gonna cry. Fathers fell at their knees in tears. Prodigals reunited. Kelon hadn't held his daughter in 20 years. Carrington wept as his daughters hugged him for the first time. Steven danced with his “bundle of joy.” Vincent read a handwritten letter to his daughter Autumn, filled with love, apology, and redemption. It wasn't just beautiful.
It was sacred.
It was the Gospel, tangible, trembling, alive. You made it happen. You gave 21 daughters dresses, flights, hotel rooms, corsages, a meal, and a memory they'll never forget. You brought heaven to prison. You reminded these men: they are still dads. And reminded these girls: they are still daughters. This wasn't just an event.
This was healing.
This was hope.
This was holy. Anyways, there's a the handle that handled that did this is God Behind Bars are doing another father-daughter dance in Angola prison. This year, you can donate $10 a month or anything to help for pay for tuxes, family travel, dresses, food and so much more. You can go to Godbehindbars.com. Like, however you feel about religion. Like, I just think that this is just like the most impactful thing for people in their lives. Like, people make mistakes, people are put in situations that things happen, and our justice system is really not always just. And so I just am this just really melts my heart. And like, how cool, how cool. And I'm from California, up past where San Quentin is. We drive by it, and it's like, just not a place you want to be. And like, the fact that they took the time to do this, to make people feel like the human beings that they are, and really help establish relationships that like can be helpful for for reestablishing these people in society, if they ever get to like, it's humongous. It's a huge deal. So anyways, that is what inspired me. There can be inspiration, right? Lesley Logan 4:16  Okay, a win of yours. Melissa Hargrove, someone I was been around in our lives for a long time and just really inspires me all the time. She said, wanted to share an ongoing win. After our eLevate retreat in March, I reconnected with my OG partner, Lisa. We decided to make a commitment to get together and practice our original goal was to find as much time as we could and do duets with Lesley. After the first lesson, we knew we needed more. We have more duets scheduled through September. Go us! And taking it a step further, we decided to try to do our best to meet weekly, even just to do a Joe's gym or just move. Today, we opted to do the June chair class, It Takes Two, and I'm pretty sure I can speak for us both that we dusted that piece of equipment and we have a new reignited passion for it. So thank you, Lisa for finding time to work with me. And just proud that we have been able to keep the commitment to our practice. I told her today that had we not done the class together it would have taken me two hours to do it, because I would have had to pause, pet my cat, get a drink, maybe change the laundry and so on. But holy cow, when you flow at a brisk pace without pausing, it feels amazing. So thanks again, Lisa for keeping us on point and LL for an inspiring class. Yeah, I want to add to this win. Because you know what, Melissa Hargrove, your partner, Lisa, put a win up that adds to this. So here we go and adding on to that win. This is Melissa. Melissa. I wanted to add to this win this week after already doing two Pilates classes Tuesday, Melissa joined me for our scheduled practice session. I am so very grateful for her commitment to our practice together. It means so much that she did not cancel. As I was looking forward to moving with her, we agreed to do a 30 minute session, which was a win win for both of us since I had the opportunity to walk and do a stair climbing session in 95 degree heat at lunch. Glad we could support each other and can find the time and the win in any situation. Way to go ladies. So this is why Be It Till You See It exists. This is what we're here to do, bring people together, bring women together. Remind you that like you can, right? You can have counterparts that like will show up even when you're like, I don't really want to do this, and this happens all the time. I'm sure I'll have a win coming up with some of our other OPC members who literally get together every Wednesday at 8am to do the workout that they're members of. You know, sometimes it does take that kind of village, and it's okay to take that village time. It's okay to ask for help. It's okay to have an accountability buddy, but this is really important to me. When you make an accountability buddy, you guys need to be completely honest and thoughtful of the other person, so that you don't start canceling here and canceling there, like, oh, it's just 30 minutes. No, show up for each other, right? It helps the other person make time for themselves as well. So I really love this lady. Thank you so much for inspiring us to move our bodies, but also to connect with other people in our lives and realize, like we need each other too. We need to be there too. Lesley Logan 4:39  Okay, so my win, I had a win to share with you. I'm gonna save that win for next week. It's already a little delayed to share with you, so I'm gonna share it because a win is actually, I wish I had Brad here. Tomorrow's our 10 year wedding anniversary. 10 years, holy moly. We're celebrating together. I think we'll actually be together for it, because we're in Chicago, so we'll celebrate it together, and we're like, usually we're on a plane and like, because of the time travel distance, like the third just disappears in our lives. And so multiple anniversaries that we haven't been together, but this one, we get to do it together, doing something we love, with people we love to be around at, Pilates On Tour in Chicago. I know you're like, 10 years how is that like? That's that's a win. It's a win not because, like, it's like a struggle to stay married to him or anything like that, but just that we like continually make time to be with each other and to make sure that we're doing things together that are fun, and we challenge each other in really amazing ways. He challenges me to put things away in an actual spot. I challenged him to be on time. You know, these are, these are these are wins for two ADHD people in the same household. But truly, I'm so blessed. I'm so grateful. And recently, we were sharing how we met, because people always want to know how we met, and maybe that's a podcast episode for a different day, but whenever we get to tell it now that we've been married 10 years, there's there's something really cool about, like, looking back on the people that we were who chose each other and we chose to do something really scary, and that's a win. So here we are celebrating 10 years of marriage. And it's not that the 10 years of marriage is what I'm celebrating for us. I'm, like, kind of celebrating our past selves, making really huge decisions that could have easily been written off and, like, not made a priority. So huge thanks to Brad and Lesley in their early 30s for the things that they did, but also just for all the people in our lives who have been friends along the way, who've become family, and that's our win. 10 years of marriage. I love it. I love you. You're amazing. Lesley Logan 8:58  Okay, let me get you an affirmation to repeat with your on yourself, on your drive, on your walk. There's room for me at the table. There is room for me at the table. There is. Take a seat. You know, sometimes we think, oh, I don't want to bother people, oh, and I'll be I don't have enough accolades. Oh, who am I to do this? My neighbor recently, saw the G7 he's like, oh my god, don't, don't write my thing down. Like, who am I to be here? And like, what he actually is there to do, like, change the lives of people in this world and the politicians that are there need to hear what he has to say. There's room for you at the table. There's room for me at the table. Love you so much, and you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 9:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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If you don't, you're not going to get that habit. If it feels like it's shameful or like you're judging yourself, it's possible that's not your intuition and you're following someone else's. Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the restorative combo I had with Megan Farrell in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the episode and you are not new here, you know what to do. If you're brand new here, hi, we're gonna talk about something that already happened, and you can listen. If you're like me, you'd listen to this one and then you listen to the other one. Or you can be like, Brad and pause us now. Brad Crowell 1:23  You do that? Lesley Logan 1:24  Of course. I want, when we watch The Crown, do I not look up the historical facts before we finish?Brad Crowell 1:31  She does. She always looks up the ending. Yeah, I watch it from start to finish.Lesley Logan 1:34  I need, sometimes I get just nervous, and I just need to know how it's going to be, so that I can sit and pay attention. Because sometimes I'm just so nervous for them. They're like, I can't you saw my stress results after watching F1. Brad Crowell 1:47  Yes, I did. Lesley Logan 1:48  So you guys, we saw the F1 movie, and mostly I went for the Brad Pitt part, but my friend said it was just on edge of her seat, and so I looked at my WHOOP and, like, heart rate monitor and you can see from the horror film preview to the end of the movie of the of the F1 you can actually see every time they had a race, because my heart would spike for every race, and I just like, can someone just tell me if he wins this race? So I can just enjoy the race, because I can't enjoy the race right now because I'm so stressed for him. So that's why I like to listen to these kinds of episodes, podcasts, and then I listen to the one.Brad Crowell 1:48  Yeah, yeah, okay.Lesley Logan 1:52  Today is October 2nd, 2025, in case you didin't know, it is the day before our 10th year wedding anniversary. Brad Crowell 2:37  What? Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 2:39  But it's also the actual day of International Day of Non-Violence. Today, we celebrate the birthday of a man who helped bring forward the notion of non violence and the tremendous impact this form of social response has all over the world in the last century. On the International Day of Non-Violence created by the United Nations in 2007, we look back on the influence of an Indian activist born Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, but known the world over as Mahatma Gandhi. The International Day of Non-Violence honors how Gandhi's work and legacy has impacted global non-violent protests. The UN has good reason to use Gandhi's birthday to celebrate International Day of Non-Violence. Gandhi's commitment to India's independence and his methods have been the cornerstone of civil and human right initiatives all over the world. Put simply, Gandhi saw it as completely irrational to use violence to achieve peace. But rather just means.Brad Crowell 3:29  But rather, just means lead to just ends.Lesley Logan 3:32  Oh, but rather comma just means lead to just ends. Period. Got it, okay. This is a lesson we can all take to heart. I mean, I completely agree, you know.Brad Crowell 3:43  Yeah, it's, it's amazing that, especially in, you know, when he died in 1940s like late 40s, and his message spread all around the world, which is amazing, because, no, no computers, no email, no social media. Lesley Logan 4:01  Did you ever wonder? But do you wonder, like, would Mahatma Gandhi actually be famous today? Do you know what I mean? Because, like, some of the people we looked to were like, wow, like, would they actually keep the attention of the people who are like, hold on, let me see this kid, like, try lemon for the first time. I just, I just kind of like. Brad Crowell 4:19  Or drink Coke for the first time. Lesley Logan 4:20  Here's my, my faith in humanity's ability to, like, take, take seriously things that are serious is, like, dwindling every day. Lesley Logan 4:34  Yeah. I mean. Lesley Logan 4:35  We don't even know what's happened today when this comes out. I'm telling you, we're recording this in August, so, like, who knows what has happened to people's rights between August and August 2nd because it feels like every day they're trying to take someone's rights, or some city's rights away. We're talking about the U.S.Brad Crowell 4:50  Over the weekend, in the U.S., the federal government deployed troops to 17 cities, or something like that.Lesley Logan 4:57  I think they threatened 17. Brad Crowell 4:57  Or they, like, they we're gonna take, yeah. Lesley Logan 4:58  But by the time this has happened, maybe it's happened, but by the time we're recording this, no. So right now, they're in D.C. and they're threatening to go to Chicago and something else, but, like.Brad Crowell 5:08  They're in L.A. and D.C., yeah. Lesley Logan 5:10  And, you know, like, I just, I mean, it's all control, right? The more they have you scared, the more they have you changing your life, you know, then it's one day you wake up, it's too late, you can't even vote. So keep protesting. Go find a protest. There's a woman who's 104 I think she turned 104 two months ago. She protests every Thursday. Every Thursday. She is 104 she has very few days left on this planet, and she's like, I'm gonna spend one of every seven protesting for people's rights. We are not going to be here. Brad Crowell 5:44  She's not going to be here for them. Lesley Logan 5:45  She's not going to be here, right? Someday she will go. So I'm just saying, you, too.Brad Crowell 5:50  Yeah, but I think also, the thing, you know, like, we've been.Lesley Logan 5:54  By the way, we all boycott Target and look what happened. CEO is gone. So these things work.Brad Crowell 5:58  Well, the point of it is, is not necessarily the, the action of boycotting is important and and like, you know, making your voice heard. But I think that the key here is the non violent part, right? And I'll tell you, it's really challenging when you know the police are out in force or the military is out in force. It's very scary feeling to be in a crowd and, you know, see a clash, and you know that's, that is, we haven't been around like extreme violence, but we've been around like high pressure, like, environments where you're like, oh, if somebody does one thing stupid, this could all blow up. Right? Lesley Logan 6:42  I got really nervous at that one protest because this guy kept taunting the police and I was like, let's just go over here, because, like, it just, he's acting a little crazy. They're going to take it crazier, and then, who knows, but.Brad Crowell 6:55  But that's where I feel like that's why we need to focus on the non-violence, because it's important to make our voices heard. We have to make our voices heard. If we don't do that, then there are people who will make decisions that will that will hurt us, right, as a society and, literally, individually. But how do we do that in a way that doesn't make us exactly like them? Right?Lesley Logan 7:20  Yeah, well, you're going to call your congress person and senator every day. You are going to not pick every single company to boycott. I get it, lifestyle, we gotta do something. You know, we still shop in these places I'm not happy about, but you gotta, like, pick, like, I'm not doing these places or I'm gonna do, we did an FYFwhere I explained how you could, like, boycott in a way that was, like, successful for you and where your life is. You could borrow things. You can also, like, let's say you have a (inaudible), you don't have time to go out on a Saturday to go protest. Okay, great. So then, how can you help promote protests? How can you make sure that everyone you know goes out? Like, how can you do that? And, you know, there's just, there's just, there's always a way, no matter what your situation is. But I get that you're busy and I get that you're tired. I get that you're scared. We don't have time for that. And if you don't listen live in this country, and you're having to listen to us every Thursday talking about this, tell your American friends to get the fuck up and do some action, non-violent action. You know, we gotta do it. You know, it's just so important. And I promise you, you feel better after you do it. Non-violence, to me, does not mean telling people, like yelling what you want to yell out. That's what you could do at a protest. It's quite nice. I find it cathartic. Yeah, oh, I have a fit. We're, did we share this already? So we were at a protest, and there's like some dickhead on his little vape sucky thing, can't even handle, can't handle grown people with, like, a little passy. Anyways, he's like, flipping us off, and the guys next to us are like, oh, I'm gonna pray for you. And he's like, they hate that. And I was like, oh yeah. Thoughts and prayers. So if you have some dickhead, fascist, loving person in your life, you can just be like when they flip you off or they call you some, don't worry, I'll be praying for you. Brad Crowell 9:05  Yeah, thoughts and prayers. thoughts and prayers. Lesley Logan 9:06  Thoughts and prayers for you and your children. Anyways, today. Do you have anything more to say? Lesley Logan 9:12  I know Gandhi is great. Have you watched the movie? Go watch it. If you're like, Gandhi, I haven't thought about in a while. There's a movie about him. I'm sure there's some, I'm sure you can get chatgpt to give you the Cliff Notes as well, you know. But like. Brad Crowell 9:23  It's worth watching. Lesley Logan 9:25  I think it's worth watching. I think it's we, it's nice to learn about. If people think that this is all new, none of, none of what we're going through is new. Brad Crowell 9:33  The same stuff happened in the 60s. I mean, we're we're recycling, we're recycling fascism. I mean, it happened in the 40s and 30s, 20s.Lesley Logan 9:43  And they, and I love this, if we don't learn history, we're doomed to repeat it. People do, do learn history, and they're still repeating it, you know. So it's also, I think a lot of people who think that, like they could never be in a cult, they could never fall for that. They could never understand coercion, because they would never let that happen. And yet, they're also the same, people, very coerced. So, you know, take some time to learn about Gandhi today. And what can you do that's non-violent today to protest what you're pissed off about? Tell us what you decided to do. Tag us in the Be It Pod. We'll share it. We'll share with friends. Lesley Logan 10:15  Today is October 2nd. We are in Chicago, as we speak. We're having a great time with our members, and people came to our workshop, and we'll be at the Balanced Body's Pilates On T our. Brad Crowell 10:25  Yeah, if you are in Chicago, we're going to coordinate members only hang. So you know, if you are, you can come hang. If you're listening this podcast and you're at P.O.T. and you're not a member, just come hang out anyway. We'd love to meet you and hang out with you. Brad Crowell 10:36  And if you're like, where is it? You gotta reach out to us. Just text the company. Brad Crowell 10:42  Yeah, just text us 310-905-5534, text us there and we'll let you know.Lesley Logan 10:45  Supposedly Instagram is just gonna start telling over my location. And last week, it was everyone saying this is how you turn the location things off. And I was like.Brad Crowell 10:57  It seems like a bad idea. Lesley Logan 10:58  I was like, oh, great, then people will know where I am. Like, I don't know. Brad Crowell 11:02  Turn that shit off.Lesley Logan 11:03  Brad, do you know any people go, oh, you live in L.A., right? Like everyone's (inaudible) so it doesn't really matter. Brad Crowell 11:03  No, I think your profile can say Vegas. Lesley Logan 11:03  I know, but every I'm just saying, like, I don't actually know how it works.Brad Crowell 11:13  Maybe if it's general, and you're like, I'm in the city of.Lesley Logan 11:17  I, we told everyone where we are already. So I'm just really not so sure like, how, like, what they're gonna say she's at the movie thing. Like, how specific is it getting? Like, I don't know. Lesley Logan 11:25  Yeah, we'll see. Lesley Logan 11:26  You know what the fucking Earth is on fire. I'm not really worried about this right now. I don't currently have a stalker that is yelling at me. If I do, I'll figure that out. But that's not, that's not the, there's, I'm sure there's VPN for that. Brad Crowell 11:37  That's fair. Lesley Logan 11:38  But after this weekend, we leave for Cambodia for our retreat. And so we want you to join us next October, once you go on the get on the waitlist at crownestretreats.com so go do that.Brad Crowell 11:50  Yeah, come join us in January of next year, we're going to be announcing the early bird special. Lesley Logan 11:56  Yeah, next year's the early bird, October is the retreat. Brad Crowell 11:57  Yeah, October, it's gonna be like the third week of October 18 to 23 or something like that. Lesley Logan 12:01  It's a little later because of a holiday, I don't want to be there. We don't like being on a retreat during Pchum Ben because it's like the (inaudible) and they are, Pchum Ben, literally celebrate for 30 days. But the first three days are really big deal, and it makes it really hard to go into the temples because some of the rooms are blocked off for the holidays so we go around it.Brad Crowell 12:20  Yeah, they're doing a lot of, you know, there's a lot going on there that we are trying to avoid for next year. So, yeah. Anyway, come join us, and we're telling you now so that you have a literal year to plan. Lesley Logan 12:35  No excuses. Brad Crowell 12:36  That's right, no excuses, y'all, the spots are limited, and if you want the information, get on the waitlist, go to crowsnestretreats.com now and then, we're really fired up on the way home from this year's trip. We are going to be teaching in Singapore. And then really, what I'm really fired up about is we're going to go do the Botanical Gardens. If you've never looked these up, y'all, you have to look them up. I saw them in a movie, and I was like, that doesn't look like CGI. What the hell? Where is that place? I need to figure this out. And it is the botanical gardens at night in Singapore, and they are up on this walkway that's raised up above the city with these epic statues that are full of vegetation and the gardens that they've built. And it is just mind blowingly cool. And I've been dreaming of going there for many, many, many years, and finally.Lesley Logan 13:24  And we have a 15-hour layover during the day, so we can do workshops and the garden. Brad Crowell 13:27  Yeah, it's gonna be great. So go check that out. Lesley Logan 13:30  You can't check out our workshop, but you can go check out their gardens. Brad Crowell 13:33  That's right, yeah, the workshop is private event, but the but the gardens are dope. Winter tour.Lesley Logan 13:37  It was announced yesterday. Lesley Logan 13:39  Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 13:39  I bet you you can go to opc.me/tour at this point. Brad Crowell 13:42  Yeah, you can go to opc.me/tour I'm sure the events was redirected to tour, but if not, you'll get an email saying you're on the waitlist. Thanks. Oh, by the way, tour is open. Click here, so go check your email if you just signed up on the waitlist, opc.me/events or opc.me/tour we are planning to do another 8000 miles. We are. Lesley Logan 14:00  Crazy people. Brad Crowell 14:02  We're looking at like 22 to 24 cities, I think, on this, this tour. And we're really looking forward to being back up in the northeast, all the way back down in Miami. Well, we're going to do Fort Lauderdale this year instead of Miami, but we'll be in the area. And then, yeah, it's going to be awesome. So we can't wait to hang with you again in person, if you've joined us last year, just so that you know, tickets are starting to sell really fast when we make these announcements so.Lesley Logan 14:28  Especially for winter tour, because people, like, can go see family members at certain places. So like, they are, they're on it. They're watching it.Brad Crowell 14:35  So tickets opened yesterday. So go check it out, opc.me/tour. Now, we got some exciting things. We're already talking about 2026 here. Yes, what's going on in January?Lesley Logan 14:44  The Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach, which is near Los Angeles. It is, I forget, I think the dates are like the ninth and 10th, or the 10th and 11th. At any rate, it's like right there. As soon as we end the tour, we go there and we do a couple great events there. So our first expo in the U.S. I'm really excited for them, because we need more conferences. Yeah, we need more ways to get together. Brad Crowell 15:06  It's gonna be awesome. So we've got a new URL for you, everybody, are you ready? This is the unveiling ofLesley Logan 15:13  xxll.co/pilatesjournal so my initials how I sent off xxll.co/pilatesjournal.Brad Crowell 15:20  That'll take you straight to the Pilates Journal Expo. Brad Crowell 15:20  And they have tickets already. Brad Crowell 15:23  Yep, it's available. Lesley Logan 15:28  And then in March, we're going to be in Poland, the Contrology conference in it's like, wut-waf and then sometimes people try to tell me say, oh, ruk-luf. And that's not how you say it. It's like, Wroclaw, but I'm going to be there. And so it's xxll.co/poland and then the next week we'll be in Brussels, different workshops, same, great people. So come to both xxll.co/brussels. So that's Q1, that's as far as I'm going with guys, I don't want to scare myself.Brad Crowell 16:02  Well, then we're gonna be in London in April. Lesley Logan 16:05  Okay, well, just let the cat out of the bag, babe. I'm not talking about Q2. No, no. Refuse. Refuse. We have to wait a couple months. Brad Crowell 16:15  Oh, shoot. We'll wait. We'll wait. Lesley Logan 16:17  I don't like, then it's like, and then in June, and then people are like, too much. They're not listening anymore. It's not, we're losing listeners.Brad Crowell 16:24  It's true. All right. Here we go. We had an audience question. Kaylee Nicole Medina asks, hey Lesley, I wanted to ask you, which classical Reformer do you recommend for a small studio that I'm opening, I'm planning to have only four Reformers, and Kaylee, I can already tell you exactly which Reformer she's gonna recommend.Lesley Logan 16:40  Brad is taking over the answers these days. Well, let's see.Brad Crowell 16:43  Lesley is, if you don't know this, Lesley is a a Pilates Contrology demo center right here in Las Vegas. Lesley Logan 16:52  Just my whole self, yeah. Brad Crowell 16:53  Lesley herself, our our home, is a demo center for Contrology. So, of course, she's going to go with the Contrology Reformer, which is 80 inches. Lesley Logan 17:01  Well, they have a couple but. Brad Crowell 17:04  But the ones that we have are 80. Lesley Logan 17:10  They're 80. Brad Crowell 17:10  So for a smaller studio, get the 80 inches.Lesley Logan 17:08  Yeah, they're gonna work for people up to six-three and all that stuff. And then the other thing I did, I will say, Kaylee, is, if you're like, you could do 280 and 286 is so that way, if you had a couple tall people, you could do that, they're still not what I like about them is they're lightweight, so they're easy to move around. So if the floor is like hardwood floor you could put some little felt on the bottom. It's really easy to, like, slide things around. And Kaylee, if you want to take it up another notch, I'm gonna say you can get both the 80 and the 86 with Towers on them. Now, obviously. Lesley Logan 17:33  You get the 80s with Tower? Lesley Logan 17:37  Shhh. They don't advertise, but you can ask. You gotta talk to me. Gotta talk to me. I'll give you to my girl. My girl will help you out with it.Brad Crowell 17:49  Didn't know that. Lesley Logan 17:49  If you are a taller body, it's obviously not a long enough mat for you, which is why I'm suggesting 286 is 280s and with Towers, and now you have a small studio with two different oh, and get this.Brad Crowell 18:03  That's right, you'll get the you'll get the Reformers, the Towers, and you'll be able to put the mats right on them, so.Lesley Logan 18:08  By the way. But wait there, and not just it. You can buy the handles. This is how genius Balanced Body and Contrology are, they made it so that that converted mat or Tower, you could put the classical mat handles in and now it's a three in one. Brad Crowell 18:22  Come on. Lesley Logan 18:23  You're welcome. And you can use my discount and that's gonna save you like 5% which is like shipping. So, you're welcome. Lesley Logan 18:32  Yeah. So reach back out, Kaylee, that's great. I didn't know that. Fancy, fancy. Don't tell.Brad Crowell 18:39  If you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or submit your question at beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions where you can leave your wins or your questions. And we really actually love hearing from you. Brad Crowell 18:56  I want your wins. I want all your wins. Brad Crowell 19:03  We want more wins. Lesley Logan 18:59  Of course, I want your questions, but I want your wins, too. Brad Crowell 19:01  Yeah, bring it on. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this convo that Lesley had with Meghan Pherrill. Just a minute. Brad Crowell 19:08  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Meghan Pherrill. Meghan Pherrill is one of the is the creator of Balanced by Meghan, a wellness brand and top Canadian podcast, Balance Your Life. Shaped by her journey through personal challenges and past trauma, Meghan discovered yoga, meditation and healthy eating habits as tools to rebuild her life and really battle OCD and debilitating trauma, right? Today, she inspires others to embrace small, sustainable changes that lead to a well -balanced life. Through retreats, workshops and her podcast, she empowers people to tune into their intuition, find patience in their healing journey, and create a life rooted in health, resilience and authenticity. So it was, it was, it was definitely interesting. It was an intriguing conversation. There's definitely a lot more to that conversation that you y'all didn't go into. But what? But, but what? Tell me what? What is one of the things that jumped out at you?Lesley Logan 20:00  Well, I think, like, what I what I really was interested in talking with her about, because being it till you see it is like she used to, she was, she is diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder, right? She had depression and anxiety, and, like, she now is in a whole different place in her life, right? And she worked through all those things. And I'm just like, I think that's really amazing. Because I think a lot of people have this badge of, oh, I have anxiety, or I'm depressed, or I have OCD, and they use it as like, and that's why I can't X, Y and Z. And she had this breakup that was a total wake up call for her, and she was able to realize that she'd become someone she didn't want to be. She didn't like who she was. And, I mean, it's kind of like last week's episode with Wendy Valentine, like out of a relationship, but different points in their life. Meghan is very young. Brad Crowell 20:45  Yeah, sure. Lesley Logan 20:46  And so it's a whole it's not like a midlife crisis, it's like a no, you're an adult now, and you're you don't like who, what's going on with your life and who you become. And so she put all this energy into into this relationship, and she changed herself, and she just didn't like who she so it didn't, didn't work, but she found herself in another way, which is, like, led her discovering yoga, and she got off her medications and started eating really clean, and that really allowed her to, like, start to become this person who you know isn't being controlled by OCD and depression anxiety.Brad Crowell 21:25  Yeah, I think the thing that I loved about that, that kind of buckles right into it, is that change from something like that, you know, it was, it was fast and slow at the same time. And she, she kind of emphasized that it it was quick in the grand scheme of things, but it wasn't quick in the moment, you know. And she said she felt so lost, and was, was like she talked about, you know, having the will to live, you know. And she realized that, she realized the necessity of trying to be happy. She said it was a long journey, but it was her truth, and that her advice for others starting their wellness journey is to just start with one thing, one thing at a time, and give yourself time to do the one thing like this isn't like one thing today and a new thing tomorrow, and a new thing the next day and a new thing the next day. Just like, just focus on one thing. I mean, we're talking obsessive compulsive in in a way that I've only seen portrayed in movies. You know, flip the lights on and off multiple times, open and shut the door multiple times, stand up, sit down. She mentioned something about checking her books, something like 46 times. I don't understand that, you know. I don't even understand what that why she's doing when she's when someone would be doing that.Lesley Logan 22:51  I know I think like, it's like, now I want to know more about OCD, because I do think people flip it and go, oh, I have OCD. Oh, you know. And I like, and maybe you do, but if.Brad Crowell 23:03  I think there are different, like, extremes of OCD.Brad Crowell 23:05  But like, this is completely time-consuming. I mean, she had a traumatic.Brad Crowell 23:14  You mentioned that you were like, man, that must have been so much time. And she said, you don't even know. She's like, yeah, it was a lot of time. Lesley Logan 23:14  Yeah, like, and, of course, that's what I focused on. Like, how much time is that? Like? Just seems like a lot of time. Is one reason why I could, I don't think I could become OCD because, like, I just can't. I hate wasting time that would really.Brad Crowell 23:27  Yeah, really what she what she said was quick was the breaking of the habits. And she said that was, and that was also from a interestingly, it was like a traumatic moment snapped her out of the some of the habits that she had formed. And it was her grandfather. She got news that her grandfather was, I don't remember if he was diagnosed or if he had actually passed away yet, but she, like he, he was incredibly important to her and and there was, like this, this moment of clarity that really changed things for her. And it's she stopped the habits, and then she's, you know, so now she's not, you know, checking her books 46 times, standing up and sitting down, 15 times, you know. And she said, all of a sudden, I had so much time on my hands. And then she asked, like she said, you know, what are you going to do with it? You might as well do something that makes you feel happier with that time.Lesley Logan 24:22  Yeah. And I think, like, I think how cool that she got to do it at such such a young age. Because I and now she's, like, her whole life is so different. She has an amazing podcast. She's got a kid and, like, and. Brad Crowell 24:34  Yeah it sounds like she connected with a really supportive boyfriend, and now husband, who happens to have a great name. Lesley Logan 24:40  Yeah, is it Brad? Brad Crowell 24:43  It is and, but he, he, you know, was helping her through the steps that that, like, like, kind of, I guess helping her through is the wrong way out. He was there alongside her, through the change. Lesley Logan 24:54  And I think, you know, I think that can go both ways. I think it could be like, oh, my. God, like I if you're alone and like, I just wish I had someone to go through this with. If you are currently alone, you, there are, there might be someone you can hire or like a person to go through with, that like you could bring on versus a partner. Because not every partner, like, don't like, not every partner is as great as this person, right? So she had a perfect person to be on her side who would like, could see the person she wanted to become, and could envision that dream and like, be there for all the journey. But you might end up finding out you're with someone who doesn't want to be part of that journey, and then it makes it so. I would just say, like, don't be jealous, or think it, the grass is green on that side. If you're wanting to make a change like this, there are people out there who want to help you. You know, there are, there are services out there. And I that's one of the things I find so fast, and the more I learn about services in the world, there are literally services. There is a charity who will do anything. So, like, there's going to be someone out there, you it's not the easiest thing to, like, look for help. But like, we had that one guy on who talked about all the different ways you can get money or food or diapers. We just found out from the charity we donate to that they will help people who can't afford dog food get dog food so they can keep the dog so the dogs are not going to the shelter. So like, there is some so if you are needing help with something right now, and her journey has, like, sparked something new, like, please advocate for yourself to get help.Brad Crowell 26:23  Yeah, there's a community called the International OCD Foundation, or the IOCDF, and it provides education, resources, community support, professional training, you know, so you can there definitely are tools, you know, if you are feeling isolated, yeah.Lesley Logan 26:40  I love it. I think it's really, I think it's really cool. I don't, I don't know anyone who's had this, but I've always wondered, like, what it's like, and it was really nice of her to share that with us and then share how she's changed her life.Brad Crowell 26:52  Yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 26:53  It's a true be it till you see it story. Lesley Logan 26:56  I'm it was, you know, and I'm excited for her that she, you know, has been moving forward and building these things, and, you know, starting a family and doing all this stuff. So that's great. It's, you know, I think she's clearly doing things that are making her happier. So, good for her. Brad Crowell 27:12  Yeah, we can all learn from that. Yeah. Brad Crowell 27:13  Yeah. Stick around, we'll be right back. We're going to dig into those, Be It Action Items that we had with Meghan Pherrill. Brad Crowell 27:22  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Meghan Pherrill? She said, hey, start with meditating five minutes a day. It will absolutely change your life, just five minutes. And she said, if you're brand new to this, maybe set aside 10 minutes so that you can get five minutes in, because it is hard. You know, I can tell you from personal experience, what do you think about when you're meditating? Are you supposed to think about things? Are you like? You know, I don't really know. I've all these preconceived notions of what it is, she said, but ultimately, recognize that you can five minutes is just five minutes. You got this, right, but she said, choose a style that resonates with you. She said if you struggle with to quiet your mind, but you can listen, maybe you do an opted maybe you do a guided meditation where you're listening to a YouTube video. I've done this, you know, and that's I find that really helpful, because it allows me to focus on something instead of just letting my mind wander. If you prefer physical a physical element, you can try breath work style meditation, which obviously we've also done, especially with your, you know, being breathwork certified, and then that will really help you focus on your breath and, you know, counting and just focusing on that thing. You know, for you know, we often talk about in yoga and in Pilates, that it is a movement meditation, because when you're when you're when you are so focused on the movement, you cannot think about anything else like there's no room for it in your head. And that is a form of meditation, right? That's where that mind body connection starts to happen, kind of a thing. And she said there's plenty of relatable teachers and resources out there. Find someone online. You can find someone on YouTube or podcast apps who you like their voice.Lesley Logan 29:13  There is this one person who I heard on a podcast when she said that she has an 11-second meditation, she turns it on, and the person goes, inhale, exhale. That's 11 seconds. Brad Crowell 29:32  Amazing. Lesley Logan 29:33  Yeah. Brad Crowell 29:34  Well, you too can meditate. And then she said get comfortable. And she said, some people like to meditate first thing in the morning. So if you're getting comfortable in your bed, make sure you sit up, otherwise you're just gonna fall back asleep. But meditation doesn't require a rigid posture, per se, right? You don't need to be like stiff as a statue, or like a monk or whatever. You can lie down, or you can be in a comfortable position, you know, just be aware that it's you know. If you're doing it right after you've woken up, you might just fall back asleep on your seat. Brad Crowell 29:59  I get in the cold plunge before I meditate. That's just like, it's not gonna happen.Brad Crowell 30:04  Hey, that's a great idea. It's a great idea. And then you know when, when the two you're talking you were talking about permission to be imperfect, right? It's not about being perfectly still or having the clearest mind. It's about being kind to ourselves and setting aside time to let our brain think and process things, and you know, in a subconscious way that we're not like actively, you know, we're creating space for that's what the meditation will do.Lesley Logan 30:34  Yeah, we talked a little bit about one more thing that I think, is it's, it's really beautiful, and it kind of springs true with last week. So if you're avoiding last week's Be It Action Item, this is gonna keep knocking on your door until you do it. But first she said, follow that intuition of yours. Just run with it and go with it. I'm studying tarot right now, and you'll know why, because we have a tarot guest coming up. I'm studying it. And the High Priestess card is all about the intuition. And like, like, going into your intuition and having some making sure that you're, like, understanding, because it's mystery. Like, intuition is also like, a mystery, right? Like, what is it? What am I saying? What am I feeling? Is that my is that my words? But anyways, so you can think of it as a High Priestess card and learning about that. Or you can figure out, like, how, how do you best understand what your intuition is saying, What does it sound like to you? So she said, just whatever's calling you or resonate with you. Follow that intuition of yours. Just run with it and go with it like just leap, right? And then she also said, don't make it complicated. Just start and see how you feel. And she also reminded us to give it some time too. It's not a one time thing. So we said it before, we're saying it again, not a one-time thing, you have to keep doing it. And she also said, as you're doing it, how did I feel? How did I feel? And that's so important, because we know from how habits are truly created, it has to actually bring joy. And dopamine, get your dopamine high. If you don't, you're not going to get that habit. If it feels like it's shameful, or like you're judging yourself, it's possible that's not your intuition, and you're following someone else's thing, so.Brad Crowell 32:06  I think, I think that's one of the things I constantly remind myself, but also when people ask me, why do you do a cold plunge every morning? You know it's a decision. But how do I feel afterwards? I've been describing it as the best cup of coffee I didn't have. Yeah, you know, you feel alert, awake immediately, and the cold is only cold for a second. Right? And now, like, because I've done it so many times that, like, shock of cold water isn't really even there anymore, even when, when the when the temperatures in the 40s, you know? Because, yeah, it's cold, but, like, I already know what to expect. But afterwards, even with just three minutes, it feels, you feel your brain is going it is actually functioning. You're up and at 'em. It's awesome, so.Lesley Logan 33:03  I hate it and love it, and I actually, I was on Meghan's podcast, and she asked me about cold plunging, and she was like, yeah, because everyone's saying, like, you shouldn't cold like, women shouldn't cold plunge. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Because being a woman means being told to cold plunge and not cold plunge. Being told, being told to do this and not do this. It's like, it's like, just, we talked about in Amy Ledin's pod episode that's coming out in December, and we're talking about habits. We're gonna have a whole habit series. So this really is building up for that. But like being a woman today, with everyone going wear a weight vest, it's not gonna do anything. Do a cold plunge. It's the worst thing you can do during a little cycle. Blah, blah, blah, I told Meghan, I said, I don't actually care. I and you have to listen to the whole conversation, but I'm summarizing. I said, it makes me feel good, and that's all that matters. And when it doesn't make me feel good anymore, then maybe I do something different. But I'm only in it for four minutes, and I'm doing it for 15 minutes every day. It's four minutes, and it really does shake the sleep off, bring me to my life, and it makes me excited to start the day. Yeah, and I can't Why? How could anything be bad? If it makes you so excited to take on your day, there's no way that could be bad for me. Impossible.Brad Crowell 34:21  Well, Meghan's podcast is called Balance Your Life. I'm just gonna look up really quick.Lesley Logan 34:26  What episode number I was? Brad Crowell 34:27  Yeah, and I'm not sure exactly, so. Lesley Logan 34:37  I don't either, but it's, it's out. It came out. Brad Crowell 34:40  Did it? Cool. Lesley Logan 34:42  I think so.Brad Crowell 34:43  Yeah go look at the Balance Your Life pod.Lesley Logan 34:47  It's one of the top podcasts in Canada, so it's super cool Way to go, Meghan, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 34:52  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 34:53  Thank you so much for listening to us. Send in your wins, send in your questions. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 34:59  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 35:00  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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Yoga teacher, podcaster, and wellness creator Meghan Pherrill joins Lesley Logan to get real about the messy, non-linear path to feeling like yourself again. From OCD, anxiety, and depression to building a grounded practice of yoga, meditation, and motherhood, Meghan shares how starting small and trusting your intuition can shift everything. Together, Lesley and Meghan talk basics over biohacks, listening to your body, and building routines that actually fit your life. Expect gentle permission, practical steps, and big relief.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The turning point when Meghan quit her OCD rituals almost overnight.Lessons from the 555 postpartum recovery rule and rebuilding routines as a new mom.Why she shifted from advanced biohacks back to foundational wellness practices.The risk of outsourcing health to trends instead of trusting your body's feedback.How small, consistent shifts create a strong foundation for lasting wellness.Episode References/Links:Balance Your Life Podcast - https://www.balancebymeghan.com/podcastMeghan Pherrill Website - https://www.balancebymeghan.comMeghan Pherrill Instagram - https://instagram.com/balancebymeghanMeghan Pherrill YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/balancebymeghanMeghan Pherrill TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@balancebymeghanBook: The Plant Paradox by Dr. Steven R Gundry MD - https://a.co/d/cVM3irAGuest Bio:Meghan Pherrill is a 500-hour registered yoga and meditation teacher, retreat leader, and host of the Balance Your Life podcast. 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Follow that intuition of yours and just run with it. Go with it. Don't make it complicating. You know, start with a 10 minute yoga flow. If yoga feels cold to you, maybe it's Pilates. Just start. Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:58  Hey, Be It babe. All right, today's conversation is such a lovely window in taking a long journey and things not happening fast, but still happening for you. We have a really great guest today. Her name is Meghan Pherrill. She is the host of the Balance Your Life podcast, and I really love all the different topics we talked about in today's episode. We talk about being a new mom. But we also talk about, like, the basics of meditation and like, how to get started with that, and how does one go from like, kind of not knowing what to do or what to do with their time and what to be, to having this really beautiful life that's built around all the things that they like and that make them feel like them. So I'm really excited for you to hear this journey. It's authentic and it's not perfect, and it's exactly what we need to be doing when we think about, like, what do we want in our lives? So here is Meghan Pherrill. Lesley Logan 1:49  All right, Be It babe. I'm excited because I've already had a wonderful conversation with our guest today. And I was like, oh, I really want to keep this conversation going, and we are over here on my podcast. So the host of Balance Your Life podcast with Meghan Pherrill as our guest today. Meghan Pherrill, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Meghan Pherrill 2:07  Yeah, amazing. Thank you for the intro. I feel like I should have you doing all of my intro calls there. My name is Meghan Pherrill. I am the creator and kind of the leading force behind Balance by Meghan. It's an online brand, podcast, I do all the things that's just really meant to help you inspire, be inspired, be empowered, to begin and maintain your own wellness journey so you can be the best version of yourself. I have a top Canadian podcast, which I'm very proud of. And yeah, I do, normally, I do yoga retreats, I do workshops. I've taken a little bit of a hiatus just while I raise my my little kiddo over here. But that's really kind of my jam, my jelly and jam there (inaudible) what I do.Lesley Logan 2:51  Oh, man, that's so fun. Okay, but I have to, I, so I wonder, like, was your life always balanced? Like, did you like, how did, like, did it, was the wellness journey, like, always easy for you? Is it like something that just came easier or is it did it come because, like, like things in your life that you needed to find it. I would love to hear how you kind of got into this. Meghan Pherrill 3:11  Well, it's like I always say when people ask me this, I'm like, how much time do you actually have with this podcast? Because balance was like, the least, it was like, not a vocabulary, a word in my vocabulary, I, wellness, like kind of a joke. I always think it's too like, it's ironic that I teach these things. Because I was that girl who lived on chicken fingers and fries. Corn was like my vegetable of choice, and like you were lucky if you got some carrots into me. Greens were just not happening. I was diagnosed really, really young, with obsessive compulsive disorder and depression and anxiety. I had also been in and out of the hospital since the day I was born with asthma, like just it was not uncommon for me to be hospitalized once a month with, like, severe asthma attacks, where I was on prednisone all the time, puffers all the time. It was just part of my life. And there was a catalyst in my life where I had also been, like, sexually abused by my uncle. This is like taking a dark turn, and always, like, to me, you're such a light and like, so vibrant. This just gets real dark, real fast.Lesley Logan 4:20  It's okay, Meghan, I actually, I'm fine with this and you can continue to go that path, because I actually think that it would be a shame to us, for us to just like, paint the picture that was so easy for you. And I just want to say thank you for already sharing, like the OCD and the depression and the anxiety, because I actually think a lot of people who listen to us have one of those things, and it's held them back in some way. So thank you, and it's okay, we'll, we'll go, we'll, I'm sure we'll get light again so.Meghan Pherrill 4:44  Yeah, it's like, it's one of those things that I think for me, when I look back on my life, I go, I wish there had been somebody like me that I could have been like, there's a beam, there's like, there's a beacon of hope, because I felt so lost, and I just, it got really to the point of like, where I thought, okay, either this is life and this sucks and I'm going to end it, or I do see people around me thriving, like I'm just going to, you know, give it a shot and try to be happy. And there were many things that kind of led down this path. I did, I did cognitive behavioral therapy, which was good. It helped me in the moment. I was put on antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication, again, helped me in the moment, helped stop the suicidal thoughts, but I never really felt alive. I was consistently sleeping. It was not uncommon for me to have two or three hour naps a day to sleep easily 12 hours a day. Like, I don't even know how I did school. I was just constantly sleeping all the time. I was just so zonked from those meds, and somehow I had a boyfriend, and he ended up breaking up with me. And it was for me, I was like that, like, life cannot get any lower than this. This sucks. And it was just like, this wake up call where I thought, Okay, I'm doing all these OCD tendencies to prevent things like this from happening, but it's still happening, even though, like, in hindsight, I'm like, the guy was a total loser. I can't believe I even dated him. Lesley Logan 4:44  Isn't it really funny that we look back at. Meghan Pherrill 5:59  At the time, it was just like devastating, especially since he left me for another girl.Lesley Logan 6:09  Yes, I hear you. I feel like every time, like we like I there's something about like, young love. And you're like, this is the most important thing. And it's like, what was I doing? That guy is an asshole.Meghan Pherrill 6:32  I know. And even now, I'm like, oh my god. But I was like, I'm not doing it anymore. Like I'm not doing my OCD tendencies, which I have been in studies for OCD and they can they are just blown away by the fact that almost overnight, I stopped. I would say 80% of them, I still had a couple that I kept and we're talking like weird things for me, like before I could sit down, comfortable on a couch, I would have to stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. Six times I would have to check all my books 42 times. Just, like, really weird things for me.Lesley Logan 7:08  Also like, just time consuming and so fascinating that, like, like, you could have this, like, hold on, I was doing all this so bad things wouldn't happen, and bad things happened and, and I do know that, like, there's like, wonderful exposure, scientific studies on some OCD happenings, like, I've heard, like, you go to these places and they help expose you to the thing and like, so, so I do want to highlight, like, there's that, but how amazing that so many of them could just, like, your brain could just go because our brains don't like to be in dissonance, right? So it sounds like your brain was like, hold on, this is, it's not supposed to happen and it happens.Meghan Pherrill 7:40  It doesn't make sense. Yeah, I was doing all these things, these things are still happening. Like, what's the point? Like, light switches on, off, on, off, on, like, and so I just stopped most of them. There were still some up until, like, I would say, even, like, five years ago, like, I was very much like, the two minute brush my teeth person, not a minute before, not a minute after. That one I kept for a little bit, but I'm like, it's good hygiene. But I just, I stopped, and I really thought, okay, I need to really focus on myself, like I put all this energy into this relationship. I changed myself so this person likes me, and it didn't work. So I was I really was going to just start working on myself, and I stayed on my medication for a little while. It wasn't until I met my now husband, but my boyfriend at the time, we had just come back from a vacation, which was a huge deal for me, to be able to go away, mapped most of it, but still, came home, found out my grandfather was dying from lung cancer, and that rocked my world. He got he went downhill really fast. I, like, he was everything to me. I absolutely adored the man. And during that time, during my grieving, I forgot to take some of my medication for a few days, and my boyfriend was like, Brad. Like, you can do this. He, he had been on the medication for like a month, and he was like, f this, this sucks, so I'm gonna be there with you. And I was like, I'm gonna be like a raging bitch, like, sorry. I hope I can swear on this. And he was like, no, like, I've got this. We're gonna do it together. So I don't suggest doing this. My doctor was incredibly disappointed with the. Lesley Logan 9:25  I do think you're supposed to like talk to people, yeah, you're supposed to, like, wean yourself off. And I do. I will say, like, I think that when you need it, medication, for it can be so helpful, because we definitely want to stop any thoughts that could hit in someone's life. But I do agree with you and your boyfriend that I think, long term, we don't have a lot of information that for everybody, it's the best thing. So yes, I'm glad you. I'm glad you're stipulating that doctors wouldn't recommend you, like, have to have a conversation about getting off. Meghan Pherrill 9:54  Yeah, yeah. He was just like, what? I was like, well, it's been like, a month now, so I'm not going back on them. And it was hard, like I went through withdrawal, but I slowly started to feel like myself again. And the biggest thing was I wasn't napping anymore. I had all this time on my hand, and I was like, what do I what do I do with myself now?Lesley Logan 10:16  Now that I don't wait for the sunlight. Meghan Pherrill 10:17  I know, like, what is this, this is sun in the sky that then that's really how I got into yoga, and that's really what started my deep dive into holistic health and wellness. And I'm still like, to this day, like I'm a yogi through and through, I do other things now, like I weight train, I do Pilates, but I'm like, yoga is always my base, and what I come back to, and my parents are like, not necessary, they, they kind of, they're interested in my stuff, but they're like, I don't understand why we can't have the processed hot dog buns for dinner. Like, it's just not really their vibe, but yeah, it's, it's been a really, it's been a long journey, but it's funny, like I was thinking about how my life has changed so much since then, I can't even believe the person I used to be to who I am now.Lesley Logan 11:04  Yeah, I also just want to highlight it sounds like by focusing on taking care of yourself, that's how you, you know, found what you wanted and what you want to do. I think, like, you know, so many people are so focused on the other people around them, making sure that they're happy and they're cared for and they're loved, and then they put themselves last. And it's like, actually, when we kind of get a little self-focused, we actually can truly find ourselves in a way that we can be the best person for the people that are in our lives. Like, even if your parents don't like that you won't eat the hot dog bun, they have more of you now than when, when, you weren't focusing on yourself.Meghan Pherrill 11:42  Yeah, yeah, it was and it doesn't have to be a lot like it was just very much. I'd come home from work and Brad would know I'm doing a little bit of yoga. It was like 20 or 30 minutes, but that was my time for myself. And I mean, people could just see the difference in the change in me, and they were like, go, go ahead. Like, go do what needs to be done. So yeah, that's, that's kind of how I found myself in this position.Lesley Logan 12:07  Yeah, okay, so can we talk a little about, like, the timeline of the journey? Because obviously, like, we heard about the month of of the antidepressant release. But like, how long did it take you to get a yoga practice and then also, then discover that you wanted to teach it, and then get to where you are, like, we're talking years, we're talking months, you know, like, I've got these overachiever perfectionists who are listening like, okay, so I just need to, like, do this for a few days, and then I'm gonna be good. Like, what? What's the what was the the timeline? Meghan Pherrill 12:35  Yeah, it was, I see this it was a long journey, not to be discouraging, but to know like that for me, that was my my truth. I started off simply with 20 minutes of yoga. I think I committed to, like, three, maybe four. I think it was just three days a week. I was like, This is it. This is all I'm gonna do, you know, just to see how does it make me feel.Lesley Logan 12:59  I actually love that. Thank you for saying it was long. And thank you, it shouldn't be discouragement. It's just honest. Like, I think a lot of times, you know, the the days are, the days are long, but the years are short. And, like, if, I can't believe I've been doing Pilates for 20 years, like, I was like, whoa, I've been doing this for, I've been out of college for 20 years, you know, like, because it feels like just yesterday, I was like, doing X, Y and Z, and I'm working so hard on things, it's like, oh no, actually, I've achieved a ton. And it did take a long time to get that runway going, but it's just an amazing thing that, like, once you set the time aside, you're doing three days a week, you're doing 20 minutes at a time, and then it gets better, and people give you more time, and then you get more time, like it compounds, and then all of a sudden, it's like, things happen a little bit faster in the wellness journey, you know, because you've built a strong foundation.Meghan Pherrill 13:45  Yes, yeah. And it's funny, because people will often look at me now and and see everything that I do. I do, like holistic health, I do, quote unquote, biohacks, like cold plunging. We were talking about that in my podcast. That didn't happen month three or over six, like, that was year how long have we been doing that? Like, year seven, I got into that stuff. Like, it was really, really slow. I even I did yoga for like, five years before I even tried a different type of exercise, like, and it was just natural to me to go, okay, like, I feel like I'm ready for the next level of whatever, Pilates, weight training, it was Pilates next. But even, like my food journey, even now I'm really religious about eating really clean, nourishing myself, it started off super basic. Was like, can I just get more vegetables into my diet? That was it. I wasn't looking like, did not drop the whole wheat bread at first. Was still probably eating chicken nuggets, but it was like, okay, can I just introduce a couple new vegetables into my diet, and from there we'll go, go forward like, I I'm sure you see this too. Sometimes people message me and they're like, these vegetables are gonna kill me. Spinach is anti nutrient. I'm gonna die if I eat it, and it's like, no wonder people feel so overwhelmed to start anything you can read or look at anybody and see, oh, eat spinach. It's a superpower. Eat spinach and die the next day. Like it's, I think it can be overwhelming.Lesley Logan 15:14  I'm like, am I hearing this for the first time? Because I really like a spinach. I'm going to be really honest. I like a spinach. I like a mixed green, I don't, do not, I don't like a romaine. I'm not gonna do an iceberg, like, but like, I, it's true. Like, I think where people get confused is that there's so many people out there with that are mixing the messaging and also not good information sometimes, you know, like, you know where we live in the States, I got served something the other day, and on my socials, and I'm like, I'm gonna report this, because this is not according to science. Like, we actually do have science guys, it does work. And there is some incredible now, four different bodies, there's different things. And, like, by the way, there's a great book that's so old, but it's called the Plant Paradox. And if you really want to understand plants, it's such it's so informative. Like, if you take one thing away, it's like, oh, if plants grow in rows, they have more poison to them, so you might have to cook them or do different things your body can digest them, versus the plants that like to their babies fly and be free. They're less poisonous. You can eat them however you want, versus if you're from the southern hemisphere versus European descent, like, there's different plants and we digest them differently. And I think what is the problem is, is that so many people are outsourcing how something feels in their body to someone else's opinion, versus like, well, if, if you eat the spinach and you feel really good, is it is it bad for you? Meghan Pherrill 16:38  I just like, I that was, I just finished that book two, two or three books ago. And same thing, I was like, all of this makes so much sense. You know, plants are living organisms. Of course, they have things that deter us from eating it. But I'm sure as I'm like, reading it too, I'm like, I also feel like this guy, like, do you go out for food? Like, you know I would eat something that makes me feel sick, but at the same time, like some of these people, they're like, Ooh, I like, yes, there's no place right for consuming seed oils on a daily basis. But if I'm in a restaurant and they're like, sorry, this is how we make our things, and I'm surrounded by friends and family, I'm gonna ask if they can do something different. But if they're like, we absolutely can't. Like, this is how it is. How it is. It's okay, you know, like, putting more stress on my body about eating that is going to cause more damage than just enjoying myself once in a while, like that, and just living your life.Lesley Logan 17:34  I also think that's the balance, right? Like, you know? I think it's a little like, to me, that perfectionism, that control of like, it has to be a certain way when I go out, no, I'm going out, it's like I'm going to someone else's kitchen, and this is how they prepared it. And if I don't like that, I can not go. I can ask people, what's the after dinner party look like? I can do my research beforehand. Like, because I've had food sensitivities, I am used to looking at the menus ahead of time, doing my research ahead of time, so when I'm there, I can go, I'll take this thing. I'll take this thing, because what I don't want is the whole dinner to be about what I can and can't or won't eat, because then I'm not actually getting to know the people I'm with. I'm busy like talking about, like, why you shouldn't have seed oils. I don't want to be that person. That's not who I wanna be at the dinner table. It's not my thing. And so, like, I think for I think people do have to have some sort of balance. And when I was on an elimination diet years ago, trying to figure out what's wrong with my stomach, I went to a ton of places, and I said, oh, what time is dinner? I'll meet you guys for dessert. And then I wouldn't, I would have tea, because every restaurant has tea, right? And so you can do different things to, like, still be part of society. I think that's the balance part of it. And then understanding, like, you know, a little bit of something isn't going to kill you unless it's going to kill you. Like, unless you're allergic to shellfish, like that will kill you. But if you're just one of those, like, sensitive people, like, either choose to to not do it or just do it and like, be kind to yourself the next day when you're a little more inflamed, you know. Just know that's gonna happen. Meghan Pherrill 19:03  Yeah, I couldn't agree more, yeah. My son has a bunch of food allergies, so I've really opened my eyes up to that. And sometimes it's simply like, I will message people and say, just so you know, I'm calling the restaurant to see if I can bring some food for my for my son, or at the time, like I'm still nursing. So there was a lot of things, and we're talking like, anaphylactic food allergies. So not just like, he gets a little bit of hives, it's like he might die.Lesley Logan 19:06  Yeah, yeah, which is all very different. I think these, like, you have to understand that, and then, like, but also I love that you did it ahead of time. I think this is where people can have a wonderful life is if you can advocate for yourself, but do it ahead of time, and then that way you're not like, oh, I can't believe this restaurant isn't taking care of me. Meghan Pherrill 19:42  I know, yeah, exactly. And like, yeah, there's, like, there's a certain place we go to. The chef knows me. I you know I go in to the server, she knows me now too. But I'm like, just let the chef know that it's the girl with a lot of the allergy restrictions, and he'll come out and he smiles. He's like, I knew it was you, but like, he and he gets it, right? Like, it's, he's really accommodated us for that. So it's, he's, yeah, I found a way to kind of live and that, you know, at first too, it was like, okay, I guess I'll have the salad because, you know, at least I can put the dressing on the side. But yeah, it's, it's, it's all a learning curve. And I think, too, people shouldn't be so hard on themselves. Like, if they're hearing me talk about spinach, I eat spinach, by the way. I'm just saying there's some people out there that are like, you will die if you eat spinach. Lesley Logan 19:44  Oh my god. Meghan Pherrill 20:08  And you have to, you do you have to get really in tune with like, how does it make you feel if you eat spinach and you're like, I feel like garbage afterwards. You should probably stop eating spinach.Lesley Logan 20:39  I used to, I would have brown rice, because some people would tell me it's healthier than white rice. And guess what, you guys, it has arsenic. And it's actually not so awesome for me, especially because I have a hard time breaking down lectin. And so I was telling my fundamental friend, my fundamental health doctor friend, and I said, I said, Oh my god, every time I make this one bowl, it has veggies, it has protein, has all these things, but like, I just feel exhausted after I eat it. And she said, what's the base? I said, it's brown rice. And she goes, switch it to white rice. So I switched it to white rice. Fine. Like, I just couldn't, per, I just couldn't break down the lectin and so but also, we're all very different, and I think we're, I hope people are getting permission here is like, figure out what works for you and do the best you can, and then we can have, like, what you do so well, Meghan, was like, finding balance, you know, like, I think where a lot of people are getting confused is they're going, oh, this person says this, but this person says this, and what should I do? It's like, what, what felt good to you? Meghan Pherrill 21:38  Yeah, exactly, yeah. Lesley Logan 21:39  So, okay, you have a kiddo, life has totally changed. I for for the moms who are listening like, how have you been because you you focus on you to kind of get you here. And obviously, when they're an infant, they're an infant, and it's a different story. But how are you making sure you're still focusing on you while raising this kiddo? Meghan Pherrill 21:59  Well, I was just talking to a girlfriend about this, literally, this morning. So I was lucky enough that, I live in Canada, by the way, it's cold most of the time here. He's a summer baby, thank God. And so when I first brought him home, like days old, right away, I would just go out and get sunlight. That was like my self-care moment with him. I would keep him skin to skin on my chest. We'd go outside and to me like, I just it felt so good to get the vitamin D, for him it was really good. And I had been really active my entire pregnancy. Knew that I wanted to kind of get back into that afterwards, but I also was really mindful about giving myself grace. I had a really hard labor and delivery, and so I wasn't, like, I was even able to kind of get up and, like, walk around, right the next day, I kind of followed-ish, the 555 rule, which, if you don't know, it's like, five days in the bed, five days on the bed, five days around the bed. So I had a perfect (inaudible), day four, I had to take him to the doctors for a checkup. But that was kind of like my mentality was, like, I'm just going to be on the bed in the bed for the first little bit with him. My husband had dragged out like the futon to the living room so I could watch a TV show if I wanted. And that was kind of like the first 15 days for me. It was just really focusing on that. And then it started off with just going out on walks afterwards. These were not hour-long walks. Sometimes they were up and down the street, and that was it. I knew I really wanted to set my son up for healthy habits to for his life. And so really right from I got the clearance, so I got, usually you get clearance at like, week six or getting back into your fitness routine, it was week nine for me. I had, I literally got in a car accident, like a month before my son had been born (inaudible). It took a little while for me to recover, but as soon as I was able to, like, he would go in this swing next to me. Well, I did, like, my pelvic floor exercises, and I did 10 minutes of yoga, and it's, he's almost two now, like, I work out with him, or do yoga or Pilates five or six days a week, and he's there with me. I put toys around. I have snacks out for him. Sometimes it's, takes like an hour and a half to do, like, a 40-minute class, because he needs constant snacks now, but he sees me doing that, and he knows in the morning when the weights come out, like he even rolls out my yoga mat for me now. He has a little set of weights that he can do, and he does his squats with me. And even before we do our workout together, I do a Wim Hof breath session, and he goes bananas for that. Like, he runs into the room. He's like, Wim, Wim, Wim. I put him on the bed, and he sits with me. He watches the screen, which I'm sure somebody is like, he's too young to look at a screen. You know what? It's Wim Hof. Lesley Logan 24:41  I think, everything in moderation. Meghan Pherrill 24:56  Breathing thing and he just sits there. And sometimes all you even him going, like, he tries to do it and yeah, so like, some days it doesn't happen exactly how I want it to, but I would say for the most part, like he just, he knows the routine. He knows that this is, this is important to mommy. And I will even tell him, this is mommy's time now, you can stay here and play with me, but this is, we're doing mommy's thing first. And he's like, okay. Lesley Logan 25:26  I love this. First of all, I love that you are honest about like, a 45-minute class might take an hour and a half. You know? I also, we had a guest on. Also lives in Canada. She, she married in they have five kids, and she said, actions are caught, not taught. And she's like, our kids see us. We're making our movement practice a priority, and they don't have to do the movement practice, but they don't get to tell us, we don't get to do the movement practice, so it's like, we're gonna go, we work out in the morning, we walk, do a walk. You can come with us or not. We're gonna go do this, then we're gonna go do this, then we will do these things with you. So if you don't wanna wait to hang out with us until then, then you can come with us, right? And so that's her big thing is that kids really pick up on that. And I think it's really important, because, of course, they have needs, and there's other things they need, but like, if you can find patience and you can give yourself grace to take 45 minutes to do, take an hour and a half to do a 45-minute workout, then, as they get older, look, he's rolling you're mat that's so cute. We have OPC members whose kids know the sound of my voice, and they'll like, be on the ground next their mom. They like, oh, I could roll like a ball, like I could do it, you know, I'm like, that is so important. And if they're on screen learning healthy stuff versus being babysat, there's a very big difference. So I, I'm all for that, but I, but I just really thank you, because I do think that so many people are like, oh, I need to have complete alone time and then I can work out. And it's like, there's no perfect day, like, I barely have, I don't even have kids, but I used to have three dogs, and they have to go at different times. Like, okay, hold on, let me let you out. Okay, let me, yup, this, oh, now you want your food? Okay, here's like, you know. So, like, I've pre-made all the bowls, and then they come. So, like, even my own workout would be interrupted. I don't even have children, you know. So it's like, how can we prep the area, prep the scene, prep the people in our lives for what we're about to do, and then how can we take advantage of what we can do, you know, and then be kind and know that that's, that's, that's good enough for today. And I think I never heard the 555 thing. Of course, every mom listening will probably say come on, Lesley, but that's so interesting, because I do think that people, I had a girlfriend who had kids and she's like, I really didn't think that eight months after pregnancy I would still be trying to get my core strength back, you know? And she went to it as a trainer, and, like all these things and pre postnatal, and she's, like, experienced it for herself for the first time. And it's like, yeah, everyone is different, you know, we're all different, and we have to know that and take our time getting it back. Meghan Pherrill 28:02  Yeah, yeah. And I will, like, I have one child, someone's like, I have three or four or five kids. Like, you know, maybe you don't have the luxury of doing the 555, right away after but it's also, like, little things for a postpartum like, it's nice to get the bassinet and and the clothes for the kiddo, but I had people meal prep me a bunch of things that was part of a postpartum gift, and someone bought me cleaning services for like, four or five different times I utilized that so I don't have to get out of bed or off the couch and take away from my.Lesley Logan 28:25  I love these gifts. Why aren't people registering for this? Because I see the registrations I had a girlfriend, and we are, like, late to the party on like, buying the, I'm like, oh, now we're down to the things. This kid's not gonna wear this stuff. And I was like, we're not getting anywhere with any of these things. We're going to get some dinner gift certificates to restaurants near her house that can deliver. Like, that's what we're doing, because I refuse to buy clothes. This kid is gonna be born in the summer. We make it the whole time, no.Meghan Pherrill 29:01  Yeah, no, that was my whole thing. Like, my kid lived in a diaper for the first, like, four months, and we got so many hand-me-downs. I was like, I'm not, I'm not spending money on clothes that kid's gonna grow out of in two weeks. But yeah, like the dinner thing, if someone is ever like, I don't know what to get a postpartum mom, food or cleaning services, will you will be their favorite person in the entire world, because there's yeah, you don't want to be you don't want to be cooking or cleaning after watching it. You just want to be able to pick up a phone or dial Uber or whatever, and just say, bring me food. Lesley Logan 29:35  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So kiddos, to your your business had to change. It sounds like, from what you were doing before him to now what you're doing, what is the be it till you see it that you're working on right now? Like, are we? Are you wanting to add more things back? Are you trying to enjoy what you got? Like, what? What are we? What? What's the thing you're most excited about right now?Meghan Pherrill 29:57  I really wanted to get back to basics. For me, when I first started yoga, I was like, this has changed my life so profoundly. I want to teach others how to do the same. And so I had done, like a manifestation, meditation teacher training and a meditation teacher training. And just as you you kind of want to grow new things happen to you. I got it, got caught up in what everyone else was doing, and thought I should be doing the same thing. And I was thinking of this the other day, and I was like, I really want to get back to basics. It's probably not going to happen right away for me, just realistically with a little guy with allergies, but I really want to get back to I, I literally, before the world shut down, I did Costa Rica yoga retreat, and in before 2020, and I loved it. It was, I love to travel. I love yoga. I was like, this is an amazing blend here. I really want to get back to doing retreats again. In an ideal world. I would love to do, like, three to four a year. But I also kind of want to do some weekend ones. I'm a mom now, like, it's not realistic for me to pack up and say, see you for a week while I go to Cyprus, but I could probably figure out how to get away for a day or a weekend retreat so that's important to me, and just to kind of teach people the basics. Again, everybody's seeing all these like, cold plunge things, sauna, things, like, I want to teach people how to get into meditation. You can meditate in five minutes a day and change your absolute life.Lesley Logan 31:28  Let's talk about teaching how to get into meditation. I would love to go there, because I do think, like, yes, of course, as a cold plunger, yes, all these things. But I will say, like, a lot of the stuff is advanced. It's advanced biohacking, it's advanced like, things in a fitness we all just have to get people moving. But also, like my husband the other day, it was like a head, like, feeling like he had something he had, like, in his chest. And I was like, oh, have you, like, meditated? And he's like, no. And I was like, as if I meditate every day. So let's talk about the basics of meditation. Because I think people think it's a little more difficult than it is, and I think they don't think they have time. So what are the basics? How do we get started?Meghan Pherrill 32:06  Super big. I always tell people like, truly, what type of person do you think you are? If you have a movement practice, are you a morning or an evening person? Sometimes people are like, I'm up at five. I do my workout after. Perfect. Okay, so if you're an evening person, let's just dedicate 10 minutes, right? We're not going to do 10 minutes of meditation, but let's just dedicate the 10 minutes at the end of the night to what feels good to you. And that's another thing, too. Do you feel like I can't close my mind down, but I can listen to somebody tell me what to do? Perfect. A guided meditation is where we're at. Maybe you're more of like a I just feel like I need to actually physically do something besides just listen to somebody talk, do a breath work type of meditation where you kind of have to use your head to count things out. But it's also tangible, like you're actually doing this, this breathing thing.Lesley Logan 32:58  Yeah, your whole body's activating it. Yeah, yeah. But no, I understand, yeah. When you, if you do a Wim Hof guys, it's like, it is full, belly, full, lung full, it's like, really in, it's very kinesthetic.Meghan Pherrill 33:11  Yes and it's like some people need to be guided. I, you know, sometimes people, like, I just sat in 30 minutes of silence. I'm not at that point. I very rarely did things like that when I was doing meditation. And if it works for you, great, like, if you're like, I can sit there for five minutes, 10 minutes, however long, and do that, perfect. But I think it's more for the people that are like, I know I should probably start. Where? Find a person, even online, that you resonate with. See, one, they have meditations. And if they don't, who do they like to use? I have some, you know, free on YouTube and all that stuff, too. But I'm always recommending my meditation teacher because she is the most soothing voice in the entire world. I absolutely adore her. And sometimes I don't want to listen to myself do it, or (inaudible) guided in a different way. Lesley Logan 33:58  Every teacher should have their own teacher. I love this suggestion. It's like, dedicate 10 minutes. It's happy 10 minutes. Do a guided that's until, especially if you're new, like everyone listening here is like, recovering perfectionist, overachiever. We want to know if we're doing it right. So, like, having a guided meditation is really nice, you know? And like, I have an Oura ring. You guys in the Oura app, there are guided meditations and breath work ones, part of the thing, which is, like, insane. I was like, oh, well, I'm glad I'm paying for this. But also YouTube, you know, like, you'd be surprised. Like, the workouts have ads because those people want to get paid. But the meditations actually don't have ads during the meditation, so you can get uninterrupted meditation for free. And it's true. Like, find the voices that you like to listen to. I love that.Meghan Pherrill 34:44  Yeah. And it also, you know, like, when I first started my first original it was a yoga teacher who was trying to teach us to meditate. She was like, you absolutely have to sit up tall spine is nice and long cross legged. And then when I did my meditation teacher, she was like, that's not feasible for a lot of people. Get comfortable. Maybe that means lying down. Maybe someone's in a wheelchair, and they actually can't physically, like, move into a different position. Like, it does not have to be this super rigid thing. You could, when your alarm goes off first thing in the morning, lay back into bed, obviously not into a point of you wanting to fall back asleep and stuff. But get comfortable, you know, without scrolling on social media, go to like the podcast app has a bunch of meditations on it. Find one and listen to it there. I'm a mom. I get it. Sometimes it's not easy. Sometimes my meditation is literally while we're brushing our teeth in the morning, and that's going so my son's also listening to it, and I have it stack it that way. If I could do breath work, working out, meditation, like I used to, pre-baby, I would, but it's not a reality for me a lot of the time. So, you know, you can have it, stack it into, you know, maybe you do it as you're getting breakfast in the morning. You're just listening and just dipping your toes into the the water that way.Lesley Logan 36:02  Yeah, actually, I like all the permission there. And I think it's like, meditation doesn't really require perfection. I think a lot of people make it more difficult than it is. Are you able to just be mindful? Oh, I had a thought. Like, okay, now I had another, okay, there's another thought and another. Like, they're just clouds, right? Like, it's, it's actually not as we make it seem like we have to have a clearest mind the perfect to sit perfectly still. I haven't sat perfectly still in an interview. I've had my legs crossed. I have my legs on the table now, like it's a whole thing, like we're not, like, that's just not who we are. So we have to, like, what is possible for us, and then, like, be kind to ourselves, and then start using the tools that we have. And I really appreciate you sharing that. I think that's really great. And I do like the idea of of what you're wanting to do next, which is like going back to basics with people, because especially as your little one is getting to be more independent, you'll have more time, there'll be people who also need to go back to the basics and start there and rebuild a foundation, because you're a new person. You know, we have to, I think, like, the idea that, like, I, I've always hated the word like, bouncing back when that's what, like, shoved into mother's wives, like, you're gonna bounce back. You're never going back. None of us are going back. We're always going forward. So how do we take the new chapter that we're in, the new book, and, like, create what is the scene and the setting that's going to be the best for for where you're going, and then, and then, when your kid goes to school, that's a new transition. And then, like, when they're in high school, it's a different like, there's all these different things. And so what I love about your journey, Meghan, and like, what you've shared with us is just, like, this idea that, like, what is possible, be kind to ourselves, and then, like, little by little, it's a long journey, but you're gonna get there.Meghan Pherrill 37:45  Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, it's I people always, like, roll their eyes when they hear but it really isn't about the destination. It's about the journey. Or, you know, I've also heard people say, well, the time's gonna pass anyways. What are you gonna do with it? You might as well do something that makes you feel happier, brings you a little bit of fulfillment, gives you purpose, you know, brings you joy. And for me, this is what, you know. I love this stuff. I was just saying to my husband, like, I love listening to podcasts. I love watching documentaries. To me, this is not boring. I don't find it like, I,we're all worthy. I enjoy it. And sometimes I listen to things I'm like, I don't resonate what that person said. I know I keep harping on spinach, but like, I'm going to keep eating spinach as long as I feel good eating it. And other times, you know, like we were just talking about, too, sometimes you hear something on a podcast and it just for whatever reason, it just clicks with you, that and you make a change from brown rice to white rice, and all of a sudden you feel a thousand times better. Like to me, I love learning, how can I optimize myself to be a better version of how I was than yesterday?Lesley Logan 38:52  Yeah, yeah. And it comes in little, little changes, not big ones, to be honest. Like, if we look at how corporations make big changes. It's like years in the making. I remember working at a corporation, and they're like, okay, you're, in February, they're going to do the women's locker room, and in March, they're into the men's locker room, and in April, they're going to do this room, and it's going to take a year to remodel this gym, little by little, so that it's on the new branding. And I was like, you're gonna take a year. Can't you just shut down for a week and just do the whole thing? No, like, why don't they do that? Because you actually, like, the gym is like a body. It's an organism itself. It's had its own season, its own routine, its own thing. And if you disrupt the whole thing and you shake it up, you actually don't really see what worked and what didn't work. You don't learn from mistakes. And so, like we all can go, okay, I'm just gonna switch out the rice, or I'm actually gonna keep the spinach, I'm gonna heat it up, or I am gonna work out, and I'm gonna pick a 30 minute class in this hour and a half time that I have, and I'm gonna see how long it takes me. Oh, wow. Only took me 45 minutes. Great, wonderful. You know, like, I think, like, it's just being okay, experimenting and then reflecting and refining. I really appreciate that permission you gave us. Meghan. We're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. Lesley Logan 40:22  All right, Meghan, where do you hang out? Where can they go back to the basics, with you? Meghan Pherrill 40:22  Yeah, if anyone wants to follow along with me, you can find me on all the places, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, at Balance by Meghan, M-E-G-H-A-N, my podcast is Balance Your Life, which you are also be a guest on, and your episode will release soon. And yeah, those are the places that you can connect with me. Lesley Logan 40:42  Wonderful. Okay, you've given us a lot, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us?Meghan Pherrill 40:53  I think you have to just whatever is calling to you right now, whether that's starting a new movement practice or starting a meditation practice, or taking one food item and swapping it for something healthier, whatever's resonating with you, not what you see online, follow that intuition of yours and just run with it. Go with it. Don't make it complicating. You know, start with a 10 minute yoga flow. If yoga feels called to you. Maybe it's Pilates. Just start and see how you feel. Give yourself some time, too. Like this isn't like a one day thing. How did I feel? You know, if you were in excruciating pain, that's one thing. But just start and just just let the magic unfold and see what happens for you. Lesley Logan 41:38  I like that. Just start with one thing and then take your time. I really, I think that's so key. I mean, I know we all want things to happen faster, but they actually happen, they happen faster, more slowly, like they really do. Wonderful. Okay, you guys, we want to know how you're using these tips in your life. What's the one thing that you'll start what's the meditation that you like? Share it with Meghan. Share it with the Be It Pod, because hey, especially the meditation things you're liking, we'd love to share those out with people. And it share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe you have someone in your life who's going through something, and they need to hear like there's light on the other side, and the journey is long, but it's worth going on. And we would love for them to hear that from us and from Meghan. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 42:18  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 43:02  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 43:06  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 43:11  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 43:18  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 43:21  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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In this week's Fuck Yeah Friday, Lesley Logan highlights a powerful Māori perspective on autism that celebrates individuality and timing, shares community member Katie Donnelly's inspiring website launch, and reflects on her own win of carving out intentional time with a best friend amidst a packed travel schedule. Tune in to be reminded that wins, big or small, deserve to be celebrated and that honoring your unique pace creates room for joy.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Māori perspective on autism as honoring individuality.Shifting focus to strengths instead of limitations.Katie Donnelly's inspiring launch of her new website.Celebrating intentional scheduling for friendships.Wins as reminders that progress happens at every pace.Episode References/Links:Autism in the Māori Culture - https://www.instagram.com/p/DKFvUjjOyJtKatie Donnelly Website - https://thepilatesdoula.comEp. 424: Nadine Hanafi - https://beitpod.com/ep424Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsNadine Hanafi Website Templates - https://nadinehanafi.comIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. Happy Friday. We're here. It's the end of September. You made it. We are on the precipice of the last quarter, and that can make you freak out. Feel a sense of urgency, feel like you're behind and you're not. You're exactly where you're supposed to be. You're here listening to a Fuck Yeah Friday episode, because you need some inspiration. You need to know that, like, there's good things that are happening out there, and you could be sharing that you can send your wins or your questions into the Be It Pod at beitpod.com/questions there'll be a tab put your questions in, we answer those on Thursdays, and a tab put your wins in, so we can share them here with everybody. And no win is too small to share. Lesley Logan 1:21  So, okay, this inspired me on the internet. It says, in Maori culture, autism is known as, I'm gonna say it crazy, takiwātanga, meaning in their own time and space, in their own time and space. And this powerful word reflects a worldview that honors neurodiversity, seeing each person's way of being as valid, dignified and deserving of respect, rather than focus on deficits. Takiwātanga, if you're a New Zealand person, if you can help me translate that, I'm happy to learn it, encourages inclusion, understanding and the belief that everyone experiences life at their own pace and in their own unique way. Let's embrace perspectives rather than respect mana (inherent dignity) and whanaungatanga (relationships). I learned so many words there. I'll put the link in the show notes so you can read this for yourself, but this is really beautiful to me, because I think there's a lot of talk about autism. There's a lot of more information that we have on it. There's a great podcast about autism and different people, like nonverbal autistic. And I just want to say, like, there are so many people who are saying things about people who are autistic, autistic in a way that makes it sound like we're focusing on, like, what they can't do. And guess what? I'm gonna tell you right now, while I'm not autistic, there's a lot of things I can't do, and we don't have a name for that for me, right? There's not a name for that for you, for the things you can't do. And so what if we actually had names for things that celebrated the positives and what they can do? You know, I think about, like, how I named this podcast. I named this podcast Be It Till You See It, so it focuses on the positive things you could do. Not like, it's gonna suck along the way, but keep going. You know, I named eLevate, our program for teachers who are, you know, diving into teaching at another level, because I want them to elevate their practice. I that's how I choose things, Agency, I want to remind our agency members that they actually have agency to do the things that they want to do. So I share this with you always just to say, like, what if we focus on what makes us unique and celebrated that versus like all the things that someone can't do, right? Lesley Logan 3:26  Now, take this as you will, but I hope that inspires you. And also, I just saw this, and I thought this is the most beautiful thing in the whole world, in their own space and time. We should all be allowed to be in our own space and time. Okay? So that is something that inspired me. There's a link in the show notes to go there and check it out. Lesley Logan 3:45  And we have Katie Donnelly. Okay, I've quietly slipped this onto the internet. I don't have the blog link up yet, and I still need a couple new pictures here, but there it is, LL, says, who says done is better than perfect, thepilatesdoula.com. This was made with Nadine and Digital Brand Kit's website template, and I would recommend it. So, Katie D, thank you for feeling that you can share it with the Be It Pod, your amazing win which is done is better than perfect and your website use a website template to get this done and put up there. And I know by the time that this is airing that it's even more done and even more in the process. But also like, watching you, over these last several years, take one step at a time towards who you want to help, and helping those people has been so beautiful. And you are a perfect example of like we are not on a race. You know you can have the life you want to have and help the people you want to have without overworking, and you really are doing that with grace. And so, thepilatesdoula.com, thank you so much. I'm so glad we got to share that with the world, and can't wait to see what you do next with it. Also, Nadine, y'all, she was on the Be It Pod, we'll put her link to her show in the show notes. And she has, if you want to make a website, she does have a template. She's got some great stuff. Make sure that you use our fabulous links so that they know that you were sent by us, and they give you the special treatment, of course. Lesley Logan 5:08  Okay, now a win of mine. So my win is the since July, I haven't been home for more than two weeks at a time, not at all. And that usually makes me feel like, oh my god, I have to cram all this stuff in. I have to do all these things that I think I've told you guys this, we've, I said, and I've been planning over a year in advance on how to make sure we stay ahead of the game so that I'm not behind. And during those two weeks, I'm not actually cramming to get things in because I want to be sick. And so not only am I not behind on things, I'm actually ahead of everything. Two, I am spending this weekend with my best friend. I'm spending this weekend with her, and I am only home for two weeks, barely, barely two weeks before we're off to Chicago and then off to Cambodia. We'll be gone for 21 days. And of course, I could have been like, no, this is, there's not the right time. She also could have said it's not the right time, it's actually a joint win with us, because she actually is leaving the same day. I'm leaving for Chicago. She's leaving to visit family in Arkansas. Like life is busy, but we are intentional about getting together almost every year. It kind of ends up being every other year, but we do do something together, and so intentionality is important, and celebrating the win that we did it, we did the thing so we can make this happen. We could spend time with each other and just take some time to be with our friends. So when if you say yes to a friend for coffee, and you actually go do it, can you do me a favor, pat yourself on the back and celebrate that win that you did that? You have so many things you could doing, but you spent time with your friend, had a coffee, those coffee dates add up. They're important, all right? So again, an episode to remind you that wins happen in all shapes and sizes and all kinds of different things. Give me a win, and my win is I'm having a great time with a girlfriend in my own hometown, you know, during the during the busy chaos of our travels, because, because friendships are important and we need that. So anyways, if you need tips on how to plan ahead and how to do your schedule and how to do those things, I'm happy to answer them. Let me know if we need to bring guests on. We can make it a series, but just know that, like you can have a lot of what you want, we just have to actually make sure it fits in the schedule and it it's hard to cram things in, and you'll feel like you you you can't say yes to things if you're procrastinating all the time on yourself, right? So do the hard things earlier, and you can say yes to all the fun things. That's enough to say, but we need an affirmation. Lesley Logan 7:34  All right, here we go. The affirmation is I make time to experience grief and sadness when necessary. I make time to experience grief and sadness when necessary. I make time to experience grief and sadness when necessary. Love is feeling your feelings. It's so important. It really is, it really is, and then letting them go. All right now, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:03  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.  Brad Crowell 8:46  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 8:51  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:55  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 9:02  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 9:05  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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It just doesn't happen in the way. If it was going to happen in the life you're having now, you'd have it already. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap.Brad Crowell 1:02  I feel caught any of the shit talking that happened before we started. No, you don't even know. You don't even know. Take it away. Lesley Logan 1:12  Brad am I just gonna keep going. I'll just keep going. Brad and I are going to dig into the refreshingly genuine convo I had with Wendy Valentine in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one, then come back and join us. You can listen to it twice if you're like Brad, maybe remember, just saying, love you so much. Lesley Logan 1:35  So today is September 25th 2025 and it is One-Hit Wonder Day. One-Hit Wonder Day takes place every year on September 25th.Brad Crowell 1:48  Yeah, I put that stuff in there just so that you have to repeat literally the same.Lesley Logan 1:52  Well, sometimes it's every third Thursday, so it's not exactly the same but, but the day is the perfect excuse to listen to songs that have been in your head since they first aired. So that doesn't make sense. If it's a one-hit wonder, it should just be the day to be honoring other one-hit wonder they flubbed it anyways. I think you should go listen to only one-hit wonders, and I have some good ones for you. So buckle up and get ready to remember all the artists whose names have have been lost to time, but whose works have stayed behind in our minds and hearts. Here's everything you need to know about one-hit wonders and the people who made them. Brad has a list.Brad Crowell 2:26  Well, I don't have a list of everything you need to know about them, but I do have a list of one-hit wonders. So (inaudible) I'm just gonna pick one from each decade. Lesley Logan 2:35  Okay, that's fine. But then can I share my favorite one-hit wonder of the 90s?Brad Crowell 2:38  Okay, when we get to the 90s. All right, so the 1970s, My Sharona. Lesley Logan 2:46  That was a one hit wonder? Brad Crowell 2:47  By The Knack. Yeah, ever heard of The Knack? Lesley Logan 2:50  No, but I heard My Sharona.Brad Crowell 2:55  Okay, from the 80s, all right, we've got, let's see, this is one of my favorite songs of all times, all time, the times, Take On Me by A-ha. Lesley Logan 3:12  A-ha. Take On Me.Brad Crowell 3:14  Take on me.Lesley Logan 3:15  You don't love that because it's you can't actually, that is hurting people's ears, (inaudible) but that's a hard song to sing. It's kind of like Africa. You can't like you like, A-ha, because it's like, Toto like, it's really hard to sing. Take like, like, he changes.Brad Crowell 3:32  Yes, he does, yes he does. It's a very it's like crazy range. 1990s. Lesley Logan 3:38  Hey. Well, why don't you say, well, let's just see if you picked the one I pick.Brad Crowell 3:41  All right. Well, so there's a bunch. Brad Crowell 3:44  There's so many. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 3:45  It also really spans a whole decade, because, like, one of the songs I was like, that was the 90s, I remember being like, in the sixth grade, and the one I picked, I remember, like, knowing in high school. So anyways, clearly, that's what I did in the 90s, was go to school. What do you got?Brad Crowell 3:58  All right. All right. So obviously, Tubthumping by Chumbawamba.Lesley Logan 4:03  Oh, of course, I wouldn't pick that, but yes, Tubthumping was great. But they're not really a one-hit wonder because they had another hit. Brad Crowell 4:09  No, they didn't. Lesley Logan 4:10  Oh, they didn't? Brad Crowell 4:10  I don't think they had another hit. Lesley Logan 4:11  They had another song that, like, made it to my radio in Lodi. It wasn't as good, you're right. Brad Crowell 4:19  I mean, if they did, oh yeah, you know what, I get knocked down. Lesley Logan 4:25  Yeah, that's not Tubthumping? Brad Crowell 4:27  I think it is Tubthumping. How come it's oh, they released it different titles. Lesley Logan 4:31  Okay. Brad Crowell 4:32  No, I think it's the same. So, yeah, I basically, I think that's their song. Lesley Logan 4:35  Okay, all right. Brad Crowell 4:36  That is the only one that I actually know. Lesley Logan 4:38  Okay, so okay, how do you how are you going to pick between Sex and Candy and Closing Time? Brad Crowell 4:43  Oh, Sex and Candy is great. Lesley Logan 4:45  Because did you even listen to Sex and Candy when you were in the 90s? Brad Crowell 4:47  No, on the school bus. Lesley Logan 4:49  Okay. Brad Crowell 4:49  I love sex and candy. Yeah, so, but, but also, listen like there's so many others. Lesley Logan 4:55  Yeah, it's a lot deeper. Brad Crowell 4:57  How about Macarena?Lesley Logan 4:58  Well, no, can't even start with that one. That's not good. It's gonna get in your head. Brad Crowell 5:02  How about Breakfast at Tiffany's by Deep Blue Something? Lesley Logan 5:05  Is Chumbawamba and Tubthumping the same song or different song?Brad Crowell 5:08  Chumbawamba is the band. Lesley Logan 5:10  Oh, I see, I see, I see. Okay. Brad Crowell 5:11  Yeah. How about Semisonic?Lesley Logan 5:14  Well, yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Closing Time. That's the best song. Brad Crowell 5:19  It's a great song. Lesley Logan 5:20  Did you know? And I think Bitter Sweet Symphony was a one-hit because they, I think they got in trouble with the music. Brad Crowell 5:25  Oh yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 5:26  Which is such a bummer, because it's such a good song. Brad Crowell 5:28  Um, okay, 2000s. Lesley Logan 5:30  Oh yeah, I guess we have to get out of the 90s. Brad Crowell 5:31  We're moving on. 2000s, there's a couple, but I think my famous, my favorite.Lesley Logan 5:38  Hold on, I have to go back. Save Tonight. That's another one-hit wonder. Brad Crowell 5:43  Yeah. Eagle-Eye Cherry, I would never have been able to tell you the name of the band.Lesley Logan 5:48  Yeah. Okay. Anyways, go ahead. 2000 Brad Crowell 5:49  All right. 2000s. Lesley Logan 5:50  A great time for fashion. Brad Crowell 5:52  Yeah. Teenage Dirtbag by Wheatus. Lesley Logan 5:56  Oh, that. I need. Brad Crowell 5:57  I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby.Lesley Logan 6:00  Dirt bag, baby. Oh, my god.Brad Crowell 6:03  Or Somebody That I Used to Know by Gautier. Lesley Logan 6:07  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 6:08  You're just somebody that I used to know. Gnarls Barkley, I don't know if he's really a one-hit wonder, because he has a career and but, but he's also part of another group, all the things.Lesley Logan 6:20  Is this I Wasn't Me? Brad Crowell 6:21  No, crazy.Lesley Logan 6:23  Oh, okay, but isn't he the same person who Wasn't Me? Brad Crowell 6:26  Wasn't me. I don't think so. Lesley Logan 6:29  Okay, this is exactly what people want to hear. They're yelling at us in their videos. I want you, if you're yelling at as right now, tell us who.Lesley Logan 6:36  2010's Psy. Lesley Logan 6:38  Psy. Brad Crowell 6:39  Yeah. Gangnam Style.Lesley Logan 6:41  Oh, that. That's an annoying that's like the Macarena. It makes me mad.Brad Crowell 6:45  I think it became like the most watched YouTube video in history, or something like that. I can't remember. And then here we go. Now we've got other notables. Vanessa Carlton, 1000 Miles. Oh, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, The impression I Get, yeah, that's the 90s. 1000 Miles is 2002. Anyway, if you have a favorite one-hit wonder that we did not cover here, you have to make sure you let us know. Lesley Logan 7:18  I guess, when do we find out it's a one-hit wonder? Because, like, is there any one-hit wonders that are recent, you know, or is it like we don't it doesn't happen because, like, the labels don't even make any, you know, risks, take any risks anymore. You know what? I have a one-hit wonder for everyone. It's not happened yet, but I believe in it. There is a great turkey song that you can all go listen to our dear friend, Geoffro. This is going to be a definite one-hit wonder. He is not a one hit wonder. He is a Grammy Award winning writer, but he has a gobble song that we can all, as a Be It group, make a one-hit wonder, if you go to Spotify right now and listen to this. Brad Crowell 8:00  Really hilarious turkey song. Lesley Logan 8:01  Hilarious Thanksgiving song in September.Brad Crowell 8:06  Geoffro is G-E-O-F-F-R-O. If you're really curious about this, ping us and I'll send you a link. So I looked it up at what time after a band is out, do we decide that it's a one-hit wonder band? There's no official rule, but there is an understood 10-year rule. The music industry observers often consider an artist a one-hit wonder if they fail to produce another significant chart topping hit within 10 years of their initial success.Lesley Logan 8:30  10 you've 10 years to have another hit. You guys, did you hear that?Brad Crowell 8:34  Chart-topping. So that's like getting drafted to the NBA twice.Lesley Logan 8:39  Okay. Regardless, uh, that means, everyone, you are allowed to have two amazing goals happen in 10 years and still be considered ridiculously amazing. And so don't like, don't worry about how long the valley is in between, because you too could have another hit. Brad Crowell 8:57  Ain't no valley. Lesley Logan 8:58  Oh, but that's not a one-hit wonder. That, in fact, is a wonderful song, which we're not going to sing right now because we got to move on. Lesley Logan 9:05  You guys, next week we're going to be in Chicago, P.O.T. Chicago at Burr Ridge. We're going to celebrate our 10-year wedding anniversary. I'm gonna teach at Joe gyms, Joe's gyms. You gotta check it out. I don't think there's any spots left, but if, you should always come by.Brad Crowell 9:19  Yeah, come hang at the booth. Just come say hello, you know.Lesley Logan 9:22  I should always just check because sometimes people can't make it and someone's trying to sell a ticket, so go check it out. Also in October, which is next week. So we're gonna go to Cambodia. We're gonna fly from Chicago to Cambodia. Yeah, I'm shipping clothes home. This is not I'm shipping clothes to somewhere, and I don't even understand the weather that we are doing in this world. Brad Crowell 9:41  Yeah, maybe I'll ship clothes home too. That's not a bad idea. Lesley Logan 9:44  Yeah because, like, what? What are we going to do with Chicago clothes in Cambodia? Yeah. Also, we kind of just stay indoors the whole time so, but whatever, still gonna send some clothes home. You can go to crowesnestretreats.com to sign up for next year's Cambodia retreat. There's an amazing waitlist you can get on. Brad Crowell 10:03  Yeah, get on the waitlist because in January, we're going to be making a big announcement about the dates and all the things and doing the early bird, so.Lesley Logan 10:10  People on the wait list, get the best early bird. Brad Crowell 10:12  People on the waitlist get the early bird. Lesley Logan 10:14  And if it sells on the early bird, well, then that's all. Then we're going to go to, on our way home from Cambodia, we're gonna hit Singapore. We have a long layover. We're going to do a little bit Botanical Garden viewing, but we're also gonna teach some Pilates there. So I'm super, super excited about that. I don't even know if you can go, but I'll be there. Brad Crowell 10:29  No, it's a closed event. Lesley Logan 10:30  It's closed event. But Brad, so Brad just wants to make sure, you know, we're gonna be in Singapore. Brad Crowell 10:33  That's where we're gonna be. Lesley Logan 10:34  And you can't come. Brad Crowell 10:35  No, sorry. Lesley Logan 10:36  Sorry. In December, we're also going to be on winter tour, and we're actually announcing that next week. Opc.me/events, October 1st. Brad Crowell 10:46  October 1st y'all. Get ready.Lesley Logan 10:47  We have people who are like, when is it announcing? When is it announcing? You better be on opc.me/events, because they're gonna get a special email, then our list gets email, then it does get posted on the socials. But you know the algorithm, so you're gonna want to make sure this is gonna be the coolest event, and I want to see you at several locations. I'm just saying, I'm demanding that. So before we get into the amazing. Lesley Logan 11:08  I mean, this past tour, this past summer tour, we had multiple people at multiple events.Lesley Logan 11:12  I think I also just want to announce, can I? I'm going to add two more things, because it's now officially announced, we could talk about it. So January, we're going to be at the Pilates Expo, so that you want to be the Pilates Journal Expo will be there with a booth, and I'll be teaching. And then. Brad Crowell 11:26  Where is that? Lesley Logan 11:28  It's in Huntington Beach. But there it says L.A. so it's L.A. adjacent. It's in Huntington Beach, (inaudible) in January is stunning, wonderful. And we're going to be there. The dates, I don't remember, but they're, they're kind of like that right after we're done with winter tour, we're like, just going to keep the tour bus, going to be completely honest, and then we are going to go, we'll be home for a little bit. Then in March, I'm going to be in Poland at the Contrology conference in Poland, with Karen Frischman, and then Karen, Brad and I are going to do a little backpacking around the lovely Europe for a couple days, and we're going to land in Belgium, and I can officially announce we are teaching in Brussels at Elle's studio. Pillow Tells, and we're having a really wonderful conference with Elle's and Karen and I. So I don't have a link for that in the moment we're recording, but I promise you, if you go, if you just Google.Brad Crowell 12:23  I just want to make a clarification. It's not the Pilates Expo, it's the Pilates Journal Expo. Lesley Logan 12:29  Yeah, I said that. Brad Crowell 12:30  Okay. Pilates Journal Expo, yeah. So search for the Pilates journal Expo 2026, and you'll find the one that Lesley is at. They are tickets are open. I think for that now.Brad Crowell 12:42  Yeah they're open. Lesley Logan 12:43  So yeah, definitely check it out. Yep, and then, and then Poland, and then Brussels, so that takes you all the way into end of March. So Europe, it's not technically a tour, but we got two places, so you better come. You better come I'm telling you, don't even know what 2027 has in store. Barely can keep up with what's going on right now. Just saying. So anyways, okay, now, before we get with Wendy, we have to answer one of the wonderful questions that came in. Lesley Logan 13:13  We sure do. All right, betterdaypilates is asking, hey, I'm not a foot this isn't a footwork question per se, per se, but footwork related, what are your thoughts on an unpadded foot bar? Lesley Logan 13:27  Love it. Brad Crowell 13:28  Betterdaypilates, I can already tell you the answer is, better than a padded foot bar. Why? Feedback. Oh, shoot. Because also safety. Oh, shoot. Brad, jumping in for the win here, okay, you can take over. Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, I think some people would argue that the padded bars are less slippery, so they'll there's a, here's a deal on. Brad Crowell 13:48  If your feet are like, crusty or slimy, then sure you're gonna slide, but. Lesley Logan 13:54  Some people have sweaty palms. Brad Crowell 13:56  I mean, I guess so. I personally would just have chalk in the studio for that. I think it would make it stickier, though it's metal. Brad Crowell 14:02  You would, one would think, but I think it depends on the person. But anyway, I agree with you on all of that, just because you can have a better grip on the foot bar with an unpadded bar, you can feel it. It is. We are. We need to teach grip strength. Grip strength does not come from hanging out in wrist. So I love an unpadded foot bar so when your hands are on, you can actually get your forearms on. I love it on the feet. I know people were. Brad Crowell 14:25  You were thinking about with your hands. Of course, I was thinking about it with my feet. Lesley Logan 14:29  Yeah, yeah. So with feet, I love it because you're right feedback, um, a football, a foot pad, a foot bar. It's really easy for you not to notice that your foot is pushing harder on one side than the other. Also, those who think it's gonna be painful. The actual reality is, if you're doing footwork correctly, unless you have a like, like, a literal foot condition, like some sometimes diabetics, or some people with like, neuropathy, you actually are not feeling the metal on your foot because you're not pushing from the knee. You're pushing from the whole center. And so if you're doing it, if you're doing footwork correctly, even on four springs, I do not feel pain. And I used to have, like, like, I kind of don't have any fat on the bottom of my big toe ball of my foot, but it doesn't, I don't feel it as painful I thought I would. I truly did. I remember, I remember the studio when they're like, oh, we're gonna take the pads off the foot bars. I'm like, I just, I just was like, oh my god. I literally thought to myself, they're gonna lose all their business. Like, that's what I thought. I fucking love it. I love it. Take the pad off. I promise you'll love it. If you have an if you've a question and you want to answer to a question, any kind of question, you can go to beitpod.questions and submit your questions, or your win, beitpod.com/question?Brad Crowell 15:41  Yes.Lesley Logan 15:41  Yeah, that's what I said. Brad Crowell 15:43  Say it again. Lesley Logan 15:45  BeItPod.com/questions, yes.Lesley Logan 15:47  Or you can text us at 310-905-5534.Brad Crowell 15:51  310-905-5534Lesley Logan 15:56  We still haven't, see, it's really easy see, we still haven't purchased like, 310 be it pod.Brad Crowell 16:03  We're not gonna do that. Lesley Logan 16:05  Why? I think it's so much more easy to remember. Don't you remember like, the oh, you know, like 805, called, got junk. Like, yeah. All right, let's talk about Wendy Valentine. Brad Crowell 16:19  Stick around. We'll be right back.Brad Crowell 16:21  All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about Wendy Valentine. Wendy is an author and the host of the midlife makeover show, and is often described as a magical beam of light, known for her energy and constant evolving.Lesley Logan 16:36  Please add something like that to my bio. She's often talked about as a magical beam of light, I would like it added to my bio.Brad Crowell 16:44  You're just a red-headed magical beam of light. Lesley Logan 16:46  Yeah. Brad Crowell 16:47  At 45 Wendy overcame divorce, chronic illness and $150,000 of debt, pivoting from unemployment. Pivoting is I hate that word. She figured out a way to get out of unemployment. And then had corporate success, and then she quit her corporate success and to follow her passions, which is pretty (inaudible).Lesley Logan 17:09  Yeah, she like, got in and out and, like, really, yeah, within a couple of years, I think we hate pivot guys, because we are tired of being the pivoters. Like, we're so good at pivoting and like, I can't fucking pivot one more time before I'm turned back the way I started. I'm just gonna say it right now. Brad Crowell 17:22  Well, Wendy pivoted into authoring Women Waking Up: The Midlife Manifesto for PassionPurpose and Play. She's providing guidance through her robust framework for individuals seeking to make significant shifts in their lives, especially during pivotal periods like midlife. Lesley Logan 17:40  That's a better pivotal. Brad Crowell 17:41  That's a better pivotal, that's a pivotal, that's a real pivotal.Lesley Logan 17:45  I don't know why we just started critiquing a bio. Alright. Brad Crowell 17:48  It's a bio we wrote. Lesley Logan 17:49  Yeah, it's a bio we wrote. Brad Crowell 17:51  We wrote it. Lesley Logan 17:51  So that's not how we treat our guests. We wrote that one.Brad Crowell 17:55  Wendy kicks ass and takes names. And it's amazing. You know, it's always, it's always fascinating to me to meet someone who is divorced, because if they're out and about and they're putting their their best foot forward, you're meeting them and you're like, This person is so cool. How could they have been in a relationship that didn't go well, right? And.Brad Crowell 18:21  I agree I understand what you mean, because you. Brad Crowell 18:22  Do you know what I mean. Like, we meet them and we're like, wow, I love this person. How did, how did it, how did it all break down and, and I, I want to say that her bio kind of, I feel like her bio is something that we often overlook in that assumption, and that she pivoted. She made major changes from where who she was and where she was and what she wanted and all the things to who she is today. So now that we're meeting her, she's had this massive life experience that forced change, forced self- reflection, and she's come out the other side a magical beam of light.Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I think, like, you know, especially if you get divorced in your 40s, right? Like she had a kid, like she had a whole life, and, you know, life turned out differently than she expected. And it does when you're when you're into your 20s, like, this is how my life's gonna be. And then you get to your 30s, like, thank fucking god, it didn't turn out like that. But some people got married in there and so.Brad Crowell 19:29  Well, I feel like that, like, and the reason that I, I am reflecting on that is because I feel like that happened for me too in in that. Lesley Logan 19:36  Oh, were you hoping I say how did you get divorced? How could anyone let you go?Brad Crowell 19:40  Yes, this was really just a long fishing excursion for you to compliment me. You're lucky to catch me, babe. No, I even it personally, in my own self-love, who I was before, I thought I knew who I was and I felt confident, sort of, but after that experience, then I actually was like, I had spent the better part of a year just working on me, just thinking about me, thinking about my actions, my thoughts, the things that I was doing, and making decisions on those instead of spending like coasting through or floating through or just not really being attuned to any of that stuff, like we often get into these, these grooves, these ruts, and that don't realize, because you're forced into this, this period of self-reflection and introspection, I feel like you come out the other side feeling better, you know, hopefully, yeah. Lesley Logan 20:46  Yeah. I think so. I think also, anytime something literally changes your life, like you're lit where you wake up, who you wake up with, where you wake up, all that, all that stuff you it has to change you, and if it doesn't, you get to do it again. That's how life goes. Here's I liked. She said she critiques the often big advice, like, be your authentic self. Love her. Brad Crowell 21:10  Be authentic. Lesley Logan 21:11  My god, when we first saw this podcast, you remember like we had so many people whose be it action was like, get to know yourself. Be authentic. And I was like, so we're gonna need to understand, how do you do that? Brad Crowell 21:22  How? Lesley Logan 21:23  How do you do that? Brad Crowell 21:23  How does one get to know themselves? Lesley Logan 21:26  She said, she clarified, it's not learning who you are to become. It's learning who you are not. I love that, because I think a lot of people start with what they want or who they want to be, but you certainly know who you don't want to be. You certainly know what you don't like and what you don't want to be. I think that sometimes it's easier to start with, like, I don't want to be that, so I want to be that. Then what changes do I have to make? If I don't want to be person who who mopes around all the time, well then what are you gonna do? You know? So I really, I really liked that. And she said, oh, she, she, she used an analogy of Michelangelo's carving, David, where he just, is it Michelangelo or David? Brad Crowell 22:08  Michelangelo's carving of David. Lesley Logan 22:09  Of David. Clearly, I'm not. Hello, guys, my family was a was poor.Brad Crowell 22:13  Our history 17 over there. Lesley Logan 22:15  Well, okay, let me just tell you, there was no art history in my schooling. I was a poor girl at public school known art history, and my family doesn't have art because that's expensive stuff. So I am not educated. So Michelangelo's carving of the David, where he just carved everything away that was not him.Brad Crowell 22:35  Yep. Lesley Logan 22:36  You don't like the word of the David. Brad Crowell 22:37  It's not the David. Lesley Logan 22:38  It's just David. Lesley Logan 22:39  It's just David carving dvid, carving of David. Yeah, is this David?Lesley Logan 22:45  Somebody? Where is it? When the one from the Bible? Is it just a random David?Brad Crowell 22:49  I'm pretty sure it's David from the Bible. Let me find out now, because (inaudible).Lesley Logan 22:52  Like David of David and Goliath,Brad Crowell 22:55  they say Michelangelo's David because it's called the statue is called David. But who is David? Michael and David? No one. Lesley Logan 23:10  GDavid is, come on chat GPT. Come on right. Be faster. People are waiting.Lesley Logan 23:18  They're yelling at us. They already know.Lesley Logan 23:20  Doesn't actually say, oh, so we don't it could be any David. Brad Crowell 23:22  No, I don't think so. She was somebody. Lesley Logan 23:22  Like from Schitt's Creek. It's David from Schitt's Creek. Brad Crowell 23:22  No, it's, okay, so, it is from the biblical story of David, the tale of a young shepherd boy who served the Israelites. So David and Goliath. David, pretty sure it's that David.Lesley Logan 23:38  Okay, that David, um, I think we like that. David, all right. Anyways, she advised. Brad Crowell 23:43  Did some good things, did some not so good things. Lesley Logan 23:45  Right, I'm pretty sure later in life. Brad Crowell 23:47  He's human. Lesley Logan 23:48  Yeah, um, we're all allowed to be a little human. Uh, she advised, so he caught so Michelangelo essentially carved everything was not him. And I kind of like that, like, you're just chiseling away at what's not you. Like, it's like when you clean out your closet, like, Jessica Papineau's episode, right? You got to get rid of the clothes that no longer represent who you are.Brad Crowell 24:07  I love that. And I think that's, that's a great comparison. Actually, I love that. Lesley Logan 24:11  Well, it's something we can actually apply to ourselves, since none of us are going on carving statues. I mean, maybe three listeners are. But like, I'm certain.Brad Crowell 24:18  We did end up at a sculptor's studio here in Vegas. And I was, like, intrigued, because she's been doing it for something like 50 or so years. And it was like, Wow. What a it's she made it way more hobby. She turned it into a business. Lesley Logan 24:31  It's called Romancing the Stone. Brad Crowell 24:33  Yes, it is. That's what it's called. That's impressive.Lesley Logan 24:37  Well, it's because I, like, thought about the movie, but I was never like, I just remember sitting in that place going, he's gonna want to take a class here. And I this is a skill set, I can tell you right now don't have, I don't have the patience to carve away what's not this rock. So anyways, she also explained that sometimes we know the things that are not us because we still cling to it for comfort. That's why people stick around to people that treat 'em like shit or a job they hate, because it's comfortable. It's not uncomfortable enough. Brad Crowell 25:11  Yeah, I think it's also fear, you know, fear of the unknown. I think that comfort and fear kind of go hand in hand. Believe it or not, you feel comfortable, but you're actually afraid to make change. Yeah, so you're unwilling to, like, take a risk?Lesley Logan 25:26  What is it? Like, the, the the villain you know, or the, what is it? What's the saying? Like. Brad Crowell 25:31  The devil you know is a. Lesley Logan 25:32  The devil you know it's the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. But, like, so negative, because, like, you're assuming there's always a double out there. Anyways, there's a story about a dog that. Brad Crowell 25:44  Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. Lesley Logan 25:47  Yeah. That's, you know what that is, you guys, the patriarchy trying to keep you small. That's what that is. It's like the penny saved is a penny earned bullshit. All those things are bullshit.Brad Crowell 25:57  That's a Malarkey, right there. Lesley Logan 25:59  Yeah. So, um, but, uh, but I also I just think, like, I go, we can go back to Gay Hendrickson. We all have a little bit of fear when we step outside our comfort zone. But you got to do it if you want to have the life that you want to have. It just doesn't happen in the way. If it was going to happen in the life you're having now, you'd have it already, right? Brad Bizjack is going to have an episode coming out really soon in October. Stay tuned. But the other day, he mentioned something like, you know, what got you here won't take you there. Brad Crowell 26:28  Yeah, yeah. I think it's good to clarify that, because if it was going to happen in the life you have right now, meaning, if the thing that you want was going to happen, why wouldn't have it have already happened today, right? Like, why wouldn't it have happened to date?Lesley Logan 26:43  Doing doing the exact same things over and over again, expecting a different result is insanity.Brad Crowell 26:48  So, I mean, that's not, that's yes, but yes, it is not a you have to change in order to get attain, or grow, or any of those things.Lesley Logan 26:58  If you hate your job, but you never look for another job, the likelihood of a job landing in your lap isn't going to happen unless you're telling people, I want a new job.Brad Crowell 27:07  Yeah, yeah. I mean, and putting that out there allows people to start, you know, responding to you, responding to that, thinking about you. You are constantly thinking about that. You know, it's you gotta, you gotta take action. Y'all take action. Lesley Logan 27:27  What do you like? Brad Crowell 27:27  My favorite thing was, when she was talking about comfort zone, we were just kind of covering it. But the comfort zone, it is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there, and I'm not and like, it's just another way to talk about, like, what we were just saying that I've never really thought about, I don't know, like we have these goals and what's going to happen, like, we want to get to this place or or build this thing, or have a house, or I don't buy a car, or whatever it is, like, whatever the goal is, Right? And then when we get it, you know, I think, I think that there's a time to we can allow ourselves to enjoy the thing, and we should. It's important to celebrate, right? But that shouldn't be the end of the story, right? We're not going to celebrate forever. We're not going to enjoy it forever. There's, I think, like there. This is where this idea of balance, like there's, there's a, imagine, if you're, let's think about about, like a work week. Imagine if the work week, you take the weekend to enjoy the fishing boat that you bought, because you use it, you go out and you use it. But then during the week, you're doing what you're moving the ball forward with life with, you know, there's you're creating growth. And this idea that the comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there, you know, unless you're trying to become a pro fishermen you know, or woman, you're not going out on the fishing boat to practice. You're going out in the fishing boat to enjoy. It's a comfort. It's a comfort, but, but nothing's growing there, you know, except maybe your beer belly, right? Because you're just throwing them back. Lesley Logan 29:09  It's an interesting analogy. I can follow it, I think so.Brad Crowell 29:15  She quoted Marianne Williamson. She said, our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. I don't know. I'm like, she's I think she's an interesting lady, yet she's very influential. But I think that, I don't think that people are afraid that they're powerful. I think that's a that's like, that's an interesting, intriguing thing to say, but I don't think anybody thinks about themselves being powerful and being afraid of that, unless maybe, if they're a parent, maybe then they're like, oh my god, I'm in I have I'm responsible for somebody's life. There's power there.Lesley Logan 29:53  I certainly hope every parent thinks that. I really wonder. Brad Crowell 29:56  I really hope so. But. Lesley Logan 29:58  Our listeners, who are parents, do. So I hear you. I don't, because I don't go wrong. I'm so powerful. I'm going to, like, I don't. I often think, like, oh my god, I'm not good enough for this, but I understand the sentiment. And so if we just put a different person's name on there, I think you probably wouldn't doubt it so much. Brad is just showing his true colors on Marianne Williamson, I actually think that is I, I actually think I can explain that sentence too. So many people's goals actually scare them. You don't think of a goal in life that you want to do. Nothing comes to your mind of something that you desire to do unless you had the power to do it right. And so I think their goals are exciting, and then scare the fuck out of them. And so I think that that's what the deepest fear is (inaudible) because they're what they what everybody here believe, like, someday I'm going to be doing X, but then they go, then they have to, like, take the next step, and it's like, oh, how am I going to do that? You know, like, and so I actually think that that's where the line is, but.Brad Crowell 31:03  I just, I just went to a rally where somebody made an announcement that they were going to run for a political office, and and I immediately felt scared for them, of like, oh my god, this is like a really tall order, like, this is a this is a huge this felt intimidating, and it created this fear. And it was really weird, because it was a relatively intimate setting. And she, she jokingly said, Does anybody think I'm crazy? And I raised my hand, and she said, Oh, you have a question? And I said, no, I think you're crazy to the whole crowd. I said, But crazy in a good way. I said, this. This creates a lot of fear in me, but it's the kind of fear that makes you want to go do the thing. It's not like the fear of that, like, incapacitating fear, but it's that, like, it's like, if anybody's ever done skydiving, there's that moment where you're leaning out of the plane and you're like, holy shit, I'm about to do this, right? And, yeah, so, you know, I think, you know, there's something to that, like, that's, that's kind of fear, that is, like, it is motivating, yeah, you know what I mean.Lesley Logan 32:28  Yeah, I do. I think it's really great. I think that, like, I really just like what Wendy said, let's go back to when quoting Wendy, yeah, which is the comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there. Like, a comfort zone is like laying on your couch every night watching binge watching Netflix, but wishing you had a friend or a partner. Nothing's growing on that fucking couch. Nothing so you know, what else?Brad Crowell 32:52  Yeah. Well, that just made me think of your coffee for two things. I thought, I think it's I just really think it's cool that you were very intentional about how you were building your life so that you weren't just sitting on the couch, or weren't just working yourself to death. You know, in the middle of working hard.Lesley Logan 33:09  I also saved every Thursday night for a date night. Would not let a fry, would not hang out with a friend if nothing had nothing, no one asked. I just went home on a Thursday night. I saved that night and I saved Christmas for a partner. Look what I got.Brad Crowell 33:25  That's right, you're lucky to have me. Lesley Logan 33:26  I got a divorcee who would ever let him go.Brad Crowell 33:32  Wendy said when you get to the other side of that comfort that is more beautiful, and yes, you will then grow. So comfort, I feel like has its place, but it's also it can be like a sticking point. So, yeah, I think it's great. I think, you know, there's a time for it, but there's also a time to keep moving. Yeah. Brad Crowell 33:57  Well, stick around. We, by the way, I don't know if we said this yet, except for the very beginning, but Wendy is a fireball of energy.Lesley Logan 34:08  Oh, if you haven't listened, you need to go, she's like a cold shower in a good way, you know. Brad Crowell 34:13  Yeah, it's such a fun conversation. Lesley Logan 34:16  If you're having a funky day, you gotta go listen to it. You'll have an unfunky day. Brad Crowell 34:20  Yes, love it. Lesley Logan 34:21  I'm pretty sure that this recap is one of the weirdest you've ever listened to, so.Brad Crowell 34:24  Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to cover those epic Be It Action Items that we got from Wendy, that she made up on the treadmill right before while she's doing her workout, right before your interview. So we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 34:38  All right, so finally, all right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. Say it with me, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Wendy Valentine? Lesley Logan 34:52  Well, why don't you start? Brad Crowell 34:53  Yeah, so she made up her own Be It framework, and she said, B become your own BFF. She really is focused on self-love, I think that was one of the things that she learned after going through her midlife crisis. She said you've got to stop that ticker tape of thoughts, the negative thoughts, and replace it with something really good, friendly thoughts. E, envision, envision who you want to become, not just the what, who you want to become, not just the what. Right? I is invite her in, act as if, literally say every single day, act like the woman or person you want to become, right? So invite her in. And then T she said take it. Lesley Logan 35:37  Take action. Brad Crowell 35:38  Take it. She asked how do you get courage? By taking action. Leap and then network will appear, right? So I love it. I think that's a great spin on, you know, bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted.Lesley Logan 35:51  And she gave more. But also I feel like we should like save this, because this is a great way to describe what being it till you see it is. From the beam of light of Wendy Valentine. She defined it for us. She also said she heard Deepak Deepak Chopra say, feel your way through life. Feel your way through life. And so she advised, no matter what we were doing, to ask ourselves, how does it feel, and more importantly, how does it feel to who you are becoming and the life you're creating? Does it does it lie? Does it align? That's, that's not a one-hit wonder, but it's a great song. She also said stop overthinking. Just feel your way through life. I, actually, I know that can scare people, because they're like, I they're like, holding a tight grip on life, because, if they like, let go, chaos is gonna happen. It's gonna fucking happen anyways. That's life. I tell you right now, on one of these days, we'll tell you about how hot the house got and how we had to move a workshop.Brad Crowell 36:48  Oh that was so fun. Lesley Logan 36:49  You know, like, it doesn't matter how planned out your life is, how well you thought about all the things, how many reminders you sent things, the AC can still blow because it's not like it has a warning symbol. So I'm just telling you all, explode. So stop overthinking and feel your way through. Because I promise you, if you can take that like, just feel your way through and then your tight grip on reality, I think you're gonna land right there in the middle. So.Brad Crowell 37:16  It's a win.Lesley Logan 37:17  I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 37:18  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 37:19  Thank you so much for listening to our amazing episode, I have to say, let us know if you like how the wheels fell off today, and if you think it was great, or if you want us to go back to how we've done it before. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 37:33  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 37:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley sits down with coach, author, and podcast host Wendy Valentine to explore radical self-transformation in midlife. Wendy shares how to shed limiting identities, align with your true self, and treat “energy” as a constant evolution. You will hear practical steps to envision who you're becoming, invite her in, and take bold action without waiting for perfect timing.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Chiseling away identities that are not you to reveal your authentic self.Comfort zones vs. growth: why familiar isn't the same as aligned.Wendy's midlife pivot from breakdown to purpose-driven rebuilding.Her BE IT method: Become, Envision, Invite, Take action.Feeling your way through life instead of overthinking every move.Episode References/Links:Wendy Valentine Website - https://wendyvalentine.comWendy Valentine Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/wendy_valentine_Free Access to FREEDOM Meditations - https://beitpod.com/freedommeditationsThe Midlife Makeover Show - https://wendyvalentine.com/podcastBook: Women Waking Up by Wendy Valentine - https://wendyvalentine.com/womenwakingupEp. 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksStephanie Gass on Cathy Heller's Podcast - https://beitpod.com/stephaniegassGuest Bio:Wendy Valentine is a speaker, certified professional life coach, and author of Women Waking Up—a midlife rebel with a mission to help women reignite their spark and embrace the magic of midlife. As the host of The Midlife Makeover Show podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally and #1 in midlife on iTunes and Spotify, Wendy inspires her listeners to embrace the magic of midlife and live with passion and purpose. Through her transformative group coaching program, F.R.E.E.D.O.M. at Midlife, and her in-person retreats, Wendy helps women kick fear to the curb, reclaim their joy, and live life on their terms. Whether she's soaking up the beauty of Madeira, Portugal, or cruising across the USA in her trusty motorhome, Felicia, Wendy lives for adventure and believes that life only gets better with age. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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And we, deep down, know what those things are, but sometimes we still cling to those things that we are not, right, because it feels comfortable.Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  All right, Be It babe. I'm so obsessed. I'm so obsessed with today's guest. Like, there's times I'm like, oh, I love all these people. And then there's times I'm like, okay, this guest, I want to be friends with. I want to have coffee with. I want to have a weekly date with. When I enter her, I'd say, like, she is like, this beam of light. And I'm telling you, she's a beam of light, and she really, really, really creates this amazing space for you to step up into the woman that you are wanting to be it till you see it. So Wendy Valentine's, our guest, super, super fun. She's the host of the Midlife Makeover Show, and I was on her show. So if you want to go check out that show to get to know her more. And you know, that's a good episode to start with, because obviously you trust me, so there's that. And then you can, like, go through all of her catalog. She's just so amazing. So I'm gonna let us get into this episode so you can get all the good stuff coming from Wendy Valentine. Lesley Logan 1:45  All right, Be It babe, today's guest and I are already having too much fun. She's only in Sedona right now, so she's not too far off, but I feel like we should be hanging out in real life. Wendy Valentine, you're just, tell everyone why you're just such the magical like beam of light that we all want to be around and be your best friend.Wendy Valentine 2:16  How much time do we have?Lesley Logan 2:21  I mean at least 30 minutes of you telling us why you're so amazing.Wendy Valentine 2:27  There is one word that I hear all the time. It's a word that's used to describe me the most. No, it's not crazy. I do get that sometimes, but it's energy, energy, energy, energy. And I was thinking about this this morning, because, as we know, like, energy cannot be created or destroyed. Yeah, it's only transformed into something else, right? You had an ice cube on the pan back there in the RV, and then it melts into water, and then eventually it goes into steam. And I think that's like, I feel like, for myself right now in my life, like I am becoming that steam and moving into the universe. That sounds all so voodoo, but it's like that constant evolving, which I think is so magnificent, and just moving into the energy of it all.Lesley Logan 3:18  Yeah, I think that's so cool. So how did you become someone who is, like, known for energy? Like, how did this like, have like, were you born this way? Was this your job when you were in your 20s? Did this just happen?Wendy Valentine 3:30  Well, you know, I mean, good question. I mean, as you know, we're all energy, but I think it's when I really started to own, to own it, to own who I am and to create who I wanted to be, not to family and friends and society and all that other crap wanted me to be. It's when I finally stepped into my true self and my true calling. And I think you know what? Like that whole like, be your authentic self, be your true self, that's all like being thrown around a lot these days. We're like, what does that mean? What does it mean, really?Lesley Logan 4:04  I know, but tell me how, but tell me how. Because I was born like I was raised in like, follow these instructions. Do this work. If you do all these things, then everything works out, which is bullshit and so and then people go and then be your authentic self. And I'm like, okay, but how? Because I don't think I've ever been, I was never taught to be authentic. I was taught to follow the rules. Wendy Valentine 4:23  Yeah, you know what though? It's more about it's not learning who you are to become. It's learning who you are not. And I love the analogy of Michelangelo and the beautiful statue of David. Let's all picture him for a moment. Oh yes. But when they when they asked Michelangelo, how did you carve the statue of David? He's like, oh, that was easy. I just carved away everything that was not him. So if you think about it, you should always have that chisel in your hand in the nicest of ways, but constantly and consciously be chiseling away the things that are not you. And we, deep down, know what those things are, but sometimes we still cling to those things that we are not, right, because it feels comfortable. Even though it's uncomfortable, it's comfortable, it's like, but this is who I am. This is my identity, yeah.Lesley Logan 5:14  Well, and I think, like, I think a lot of people, you said it's my identity, it's their identity, to be always going through drama, to be always like, to always have a shit day at work. Like, can you believe it? Can you believe this happened? Like those, it's that's some people's identity. And, like, I get so annoyed with myself when I, like, hear myself repeating the same negative, bad thing that happened, and I'm like, is this becoming something that has, like, a growth on my shoulder, or like, like, is this becoming part of the of like, of the not the costume, but like, what is Lesley? Because it's like, I don't want to hear this anymore, so I definitely don't want to stick around. So I love the idea of a, I go a visual, physical chisel going no, no, no.Wendy Valentine 5:58  Part of you know that is not you. There's that quote from Marianne Williamson, it is my fave, and it's got me through the toughest of times, or gotten me to where I'm at now. And she says, our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us, because you think about it, if you were to step fully into your light, what does that mean? Like what does that look like? Right? Because that would require, possibly, just like myself, it would require maybe a divorce, maybe quitting a job you hate, maybe moving, maybe buying an RV like I did. Maybe, I mean, it's going to require you to actually move and do some shit in your life if you truly stepped into your light, but, or you could just stay right there in the dark because it's more comfortable, because it's predictable. The darkness is predictable, the the uncomfortable comfort zone is predictable, predictable, right? Yeah.Lesley Logan 7:03  Yeah, I mean, I don't know who said it, but, like, there is, like, that story of, like, why does a dog, like, not move off of sitting on that rock? It's like, well, the rock isn't uncomfortable enough, you know, and so a lot of people wait to, wait so long, and so they're so uncomfortable, and then they shed it all, and then they step into this light. And that, it can be scary. Like we interviewed Gay Hendricks on this podcast, and he is the, I know, I fucking love him, he's such a sweet man. He's just, he, like, every time I go to Cambodia, he's like, did you get some milk fruit? Like, he's just, he's like, it's the best fruit. And he is right. It is the best fruit. And it's only available half of the time, so I'm never there, but I got to have it. But at any rate, he talks about your big leap is, like, because, like, when you are in your comfort zone, you can even, like, he even called like, your your like, zone of genius, and you're like, okay, well, that's a good spot to be in. Like, that's like, amazing, but it's or zone of excellence, excuse me. Like, of course I would like to be there. Like, that sounds really good, but like, that's actually still uncomfortable, but like it's comfortable, like it's actually not where your light is, that you're talking about, it's like, it's like, there's another layer, there's an outer ring, there's that ring of light around Saturn, and you're supposed to be there. Wendy Valentine 7:03  That's just like, dipping your toe in the water. Lesley Logan 7:13  Yeah, but then he and he talks about, like, how, well, when you get to that zone of genius, when you get to that outer ring, you get to your light, then there's, like, a few things that we do to just fuck it all up and bring us back to that comfortable discomfort, you know, like that self-deprivation.Lesley Logan 7:13  And a comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there.Lesley Logan 8:38  Oh, Wendy Valentine, say it one more time.Wendy Valentine 8:44  Soak it up. Soak it up. A comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there. So if you want to grow, I know y'all do, you have got to get out of that damn comfort zone. You know, I want to say though, I was on the treadmill this morning, and I was thinking. Lesley Logan 8:58  Do you have a treadmill in your RV or do you go the gym? Wendy Valentine 9:04  No, I'm actually at this nice resort. I mean, RVing has come a long way, y'all, thank God.Lesley Logan 9:09  I mean, we live in our van like it's it's not so bad. Sometimes it's better than the hotel.Wendy Valentine 9:12  We got, we got hot tubs, we got swimming pools, we got food trucks. I mean, we don't mess around over here. But yeah, I was at the gym this morning and I was walking on the treadmill, and I was thinking, I love the name I have since the moment when I met you and I heard about your podcast. I love the name of your podcast. Be It Till You See It. And I got choked, people were probably like, why is that lady over there balling on the treadmill? And you know, right now, I'm reaping the benefits of what I sowed years ago and getting outside of my damn comfort zone. But you know, what's so cool? I might cry right now. I did not put on waterproof mascara, but I am seeing it in my life, all those seeds I planted years ago, and that amount of time. I watered and watered those damn seeds. It's like, I'm seeing it. It's like, it's so freaking cool when you get to that other side, and yes, you will, is so it is beautiful. It's much more beautiful. And, and yes, you will grow when you get to the other side of it. If you want, I can take y'all back to my breakdown to breakthrough. Lesley Logan 10:22  I was just gonna say, I think we need to go back to the seed planting days, or at least, like, the days before the RV, the day before the book, the days before the podcast. Like, what, what? Like, who were you? How did because we love you now. But like, we loved you then. But like, what? What was the reason for all what was the reason for all this, you know, seed reaping? Wendy Valentine 10:43  And we all love a good breakdown and a breakthrough story. Lesley Logan 10:46  Yeah, we do. Wendy Valentine 10:47  But make sure everyone grab your violin, (inaudible) sad song right now. So let's see. For about 45 years old, here I was. I was living in Virginia, going through a divorce, empty nest. I had chronic illness, black mold toxicity, Lyme disease. We'll toss in a little menopause, just, for fun.Lesley Logan 11:10  Yeah. I mean, for sure, probably, yeah.Wendy Valentine 11:13  Yeah, yeah. I was at least 150 grand in debt, unemployed. Let's see what else. Oh, within a six week period, I had to watch my dog die, my cat die, and my brother die. And then from all of that, I started experiencing panic attacks, anxiety, and needless to say, I went into a massive, deep, dark, awful depression. So here I was, 45 years old, and I was like, shit, now what? And, I mean, I kept thinking, I was like, I only turned 50. That's like, like, that, that halfway mark, if you're that lucky that it's an halfway mark, right? And I don't know if anything could have gotten worse for me in that moment. And let's, let's just all imagine the scene. I literally was laying on my bathroom floor, like laying there, bawling my eyes out, feeling sorry for myself, I'll admit, and I was thinking, What the hell am I going to do? And all of a sudden, like, and it was part of me like this, this vision popped in my head, and it was, it was a little bit of an escape, I'll admit, but it was a beautiful escape. And I was like, wouldn't be nice to just get the fuck out of here? You know, like, I just want to escape my my life that I was in. And I was like, I want to drive an RV across the country. And then I'm like, man. And then, of course, that nagging voice in my head was like, yeah, you're broke, you don't have a job. How that? How are you going to do that? And but then I was like, you know, I just want to sit here and think about this dream. It was the only thing that gave me hope. And so I thought, you know what? What the hell like my life. I was already down here. The only way was going up, right? I was like, let's just go for it. What's the worst that could happen? I'm gonna fucking go for it. So I got up and I started applying for jobs all the way across the country, like I was, I was so desperate. I was like, I'll take anything. Okay, I'll sell popsicles in Mexico. I don't care, whatever. So then I get a job offer a week later, selling, you'll probably, you're probably familiar with his name, Pulte, Pulte Del Webb, I got a job offer with Pulte to sell new construction homes in Chicago. And I was like, Chicago. Never been there. I didn't know how to sell homes, but what the hell. I pack off the U-Haul. I drive from Virginia to Chicago. I start my job on Monday. About a year later, I went from making $0 to a half a million dollars. Obviously, paid off all my debt, bought this RV that I'm sitting in right now. Now, mind you, okay, I love Pulte, and it was a great, beautiful company. But I am not a corporate girl. I am not. Like, that's a chisel where I was like, girl listen here, you're not you, you know. And I will have to say, that's a lesson in itself, right there. Don't be afraid to try something. That does not mean if you try something, you can't pivot, okay?Lesley Logan 14:33  Right and also, like, can I just, like, say, like, I mean, clearly, Pulte was, like, quite the bridge to show you what you're capable of, and it get was a one, the fact that in one year, you can make that much money, going from zero to that much money, and not become someone who doesn't like, take your dreams the next level. You actually like, used it to launch yourself. I think it's like, I think it's so cool. Wendy Valentine 14:57  Yes and how easy would it have been for me to stay there. Lesley Logan 15:00  Oh, yeah and so. Wendy Valentine 15:01  Everyone was like, why are you gonna leave this job that you're you're killing it, killing it. I was like, yeah, but this is not for me. The chisel.Lesley Logan 15:09  Well and also, yeah, the chisel, I love that. And also, like, we had a lot of people that are like, I want to do this thing. I'm just gonna go all in. And I'm like, honey, if you can't pay for your bills, you can't pay your food, you are going to put pressure on this dream you have. Go get a job at Starbucks, make sure your bills are paid, have health insurance, all the things, and then use every other minute to make this thing happen. So I actually think it's really cool that not only you did it in a year, but that you, at a year, were able to, like, evaluate and go, I gotta chisel this off, because this isn't me, and not listen to the family who's like, you should just stay and make all that money. Wendy Valentine 15:46  Yes and remind yourself, if you are in a job you don't love, you're you're in a relationship you don't love, you're living in a place you don't love, remind yourself this is temporary. Everything is temporary, right? I mean, all in all, everything is temporary. Just remind yourself like this is just for now. This is just for now. Like, every day when I'd be, like, driving in the snow in Chicago, heading to this job to, like, talk about granite countertops. I was like, It's okay. I can do this. I cant do this. But then, yeah, I was like, all right, well, what am I going to do? I don't want to work for corporate. I and I was like, you know, I've always, I want to be a writer. I always knew I would become a writer. I was like, I want to be a writer. How am I? How am I going to become a writer? And I always wanted to have my own show. So I was like, how am I going to do this? And I had to be able to work remotely. Obviously, because traveling in an RV, I had to be able to work remotely, right? So I was listening to Cathy Heller's podcast and she was interviewing Stephanie Gass. And something, you know, it's like, if you get that funny feeling in your tummy, that gut instinct of like, I need to move on this. I don't know what it is, just do not question it. Just go for it. I hired Stephanie Gass, and within 30 minutes, I knew exactly what my niche was going to be and what my podcast was going to be called. And I was like, that's it. I had I had it. I was like, I'm going to talk about midlife. I'm going to talk about not even just midlife, but transforming your life. Because I did it, like, I was the guinea pig, right? I'm like, I did, I know how to do it. So I kept my day job, and then at night, I started working on my dream business. I started working on the website and then the photography and the the podcast, all, all the stuff, you know, right? Started doing my research and just little by little, and then eventually, the RV, finally, I ordered it like eight months before, finally arrived and it was go time to quit my job and take off into the Sedona sunset.Lesley Logan 17:51  Okay but also, like, I think it's so, I wanted to say, like, I think sometimes we, like, underestimate what we can do in a short period of time, because you just celebrated 50. Am I correct?Wendy Valentine 18:01  Yeah, yeah. So it took me, well, actually, I'm 52. It took me from the moment, like when I moved to Chicago, to taking off in the RV, it took me approximately two and a half years, and then I've been on the road for three so, yes, it takes time. And is it easy? Hell no. Is it worth it? Hell yes.Lesley Logan 18:23  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, there's, you know, like, I think things happen faster than we think, and some things are a little slower than we expected. Like, the time, we never get the timeline exactly right. But also, like, it would have been so like, could you imagine on the bathroom floor being like, well, it's gonna take a long time. I don't know. Like, I bet, you know what I mean, I think we just take, we talk ourselves out of things so and we also think, well, I'm at this age. I should be already. Like, I should be doing this program. I should have this already. I mean, like, I kind of think it's really cool that you were the guinea pig and you can actually, like, guide so many women who, for sure, are, I said, someone on the podcast, she's like, I'm a bird launcher. I'm not an empty nester. Like, I want I like, I launched some birds. And she's, you know, but you can take the.Wendy Valentine 18:24  That's what I did. I was like, shoo, shoo. Get out. Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, get out of the nest. It's mine now. But like, I think that there's a ton of people who work, not given the opportunity or encouraged when they were moms and wives and partners to be selfish and do their thing like I do believe that there's a ton of women who did and so, so if you're listening, yay for you, but I think a lot of people were not, and they had to wait, and then they waited, and then they're like, well, I don't even know who I am, and everyone says to be authentic. And so I feel like you asked to be you to help people so you're right and then you have this amazing podcast, which, I got to be honest, is amazing. And it's like, but it's mid it's called Midlife Makeover. Correct? Wendy Valentine 19:51  Yep, The Midlife Makeover Show.Lesley Logan 19:53  Yes. Okay, so let's talk about like, do you feel like you do what you do? Do you feel like you'll ever run out of topics to talk about when it comes to midlife? Like, what are you and then, and then also turn it into a book. So let's go into, like, how you've, like, really made this whole thing happen.Wendy Valentine 20:10  You know, what I love about my niche is that there's so much going on in midlife. I mean, like, if I had to talk about one topic every day, oh, my God, I could not stand it. I mean, yesterday I interviewed a lady where, like, it was about grief. She lost her daughter. Daughter was 17 years old when she died. The day before, I got to talk about hormones and menopause, and then the day before that, I got to talk about divorce, like there's so, because there is so much going on. And I love, I love being the catalyst to help other people make their dreams come true. I love that I can provide that hope, whether it's with me or with a guest, or whether it's just simply, I mean, right, the best way we can teach others is by example. Like I don't, I don't fluff anything like you, what you see is what you get. Like, I didn't just say I did it or say that I'm gonna do it. Like, here you go, you know. And you know, I, what was I going to tell you? Oh, I did create the acronym for you. I have four little lessons to teach you today.Lesley Logan 21:16  Do you want to teach us now or do you want to put in the Be It Action Items?Wendy Valentine 21:20  I'm gonna teach it to you really quick. Lesley Logan 21:21  Okay, let's do it. Wendy Valentine 21:22  It's, it's the Be It, right? And this is what I just told you, that story, these are four little guide posts that you can follow so that you, too, can actually, no matter if it's a little tweak in your life or a big tweak, a big change, you can make it happen. So the B in Be It is become your own BFF like you have got to be so nice to yourself, and you have got to listen to that ticker tape of thoughts running across in your mind. And you've got to stop that ticker tape of thoughts and replace it with some really good, friendly thoughts. Because this right here, I'm pointing to my head with my large head of hair, this will either be your best friend or your worst critic, and you are the one that decides, not Instagram, not your mom, not your dad, not your partner, not your kids, it's you like that is the one thing that you have, not one, but one of the many things you have control over. And actually starting there, it's a ripple effect of everything else in your life. If you can get that under control, and yes, you can, you change your thoughts, you change your beliefs. We've all heard it before, but do we really apply it and really try it? So, yes, become your own BFF, just love the shit out of yourself. The E is envision. You've got to envision who you want to become, not the what it's great to, to, like, dream about things and RVs and (inaudible) right, but who do you want to become? Journal about it. Think about it. Take a walk and just imagine the woman that you would want to become and without limitation, right? The I is invite her in. You have got to literally, every single day, and this is exactly what I did, because my Aunt Annie said to me, when I was like in the down, down in the dumps, in depression, and I'm sitting on the couch when she goes, darling, you have always wanted to be an actress, so why don't you just start acting like the woman you want to become? And I was like, oh, I can do that. And I thought about that, right? Like we're all we're all brainwashed. We're all brainwashed into whoever we are, but we can brainwash ourselves into becoming whoever the hell we want to be. Lesley Logan 23:39  Yes, yes. Wendy Valentine 23:41  Yep. So I did. I was like, you know what? How, like you, imagine a drone flying over your head and observing you all day long. How is this woman, this powerful, amazing, gorgeous woman? How does she walk? How does she walk into a room? How does she talk? How does she eat? How does she sleep? How does she, what did she do when she first gets out of bed? Like, is she like, oh my god, I think I'm so grateful I'm alive. Thank you. Thank you. Observe her like and and be her like, literally when you put your shoes on, you put your slippers on or whatever, imagine that those are her shoes and that, and literally act like her, even if someone else is like, why she acting so funny? Just keep doing it.Wendy Valentine 24:26  Yeah, no. I mean, let them, let them wonder why you're acting so funny. Wendy Valentine 24:27  Yes, yes, exactly. Lesley Logan 24:28  They'll just wonder. They get to wonder. And if you want to go talk about it to people like, I thank God for my time in L.A., where I learned, like, all publicity is good. Like, there's no such thing as bad, you know. Let them talk on how weird you are.Wendy Valentine 24:45  (inaudible) Yeah. Finally, T is take action. I think you even say that in your intro about taking action, right? You have to, like, how do you get courage? By taking action. Like if you, if you had a jar, an empty jar, and I have an empty jar, how do you fill up your jar of courage? And how do I fill up mine? We each have to do that on our own. I cannot hand courage. It would be great, right? If like, here, here you go, Lesley, let me give you some courage. You have to do that your own. And you do that by taking action, even if you fall on your face, even if you fall on your face. I didn't know how to even drive an RV. I was like, oh my god. So you figure shit out, right? Like, leap of the net will appear. Like, leap you will figure this stuff out. And that's how you become so resilient and strong. And then it's the tiniest of things I don't know about you, it's like the tiniest of little accomplishments. You're like, that's right. I did that. Like, that's right. I just actually figured out how to dump the dumper on the survey (inaudible) things. I'm like, I did that. (inaudible) So don't forget to celebrate yourself.Lesley Logan 25:53  I believe, all of a sudden, I think like, that is where confidence comes in. Like, people think like confidence comes like, you have to wait for you, once you're confident, then you can do the thing. It's like, no, actually, you get confident by doing the thing. Like, I remember we bought our van, which is not even as big as an RV, we don't need a special license for it. It actually fits in parking spaces. I mean, it's the it's the longest and the tallest of the vehicles that you don't need another license for. And the first time we took it on we took we drove it. I had no problems driving out of the gas station. I had no problems. Like, once we were like, pointing the right direction, like, I'm like, I got this. But one time we were needing to go, and Brad was asleep, and I'm like, I have to hit reverse. There's no rear view mirror. Like, I gotta do this with this tall vehicle. I'm super long. I got a white like, I and it has a camera. It's like, just follow the camera. I'm like, I can't even it's like, this big, just the camera? What, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I hope it beeps. If someone's wrong, I like, what if there's a pole, you know, like one of the, so I like, literally, get out of the car, got out of the car and I do a walk around. I'm like, okay, there's no poles. So the worst thing that happens is that someone or something drives behind me while I'm doing this, and it's supposed to beep, and I'm gonna trust that, and now I come back anytime I want, like, but you I had to, I could not, Brad's telling me you can do this. Like you used to drive jeeps, like, you know what you're doing. Like, he's like, you can none of that confidence and courage being told at me helped me get the confidence, like actually reversing the car and doing it myself.Wendy Valentine 27:32  And sometimes it's the tiniest of things that just gives you a little boost. It's a little reminder that, yes, you can do this and keep going and keep going. Yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 27:41  Okay, you published a book. Now, can we talk about it? I mean, it says, Women Waking Up: The Midlife Manifesto for Passion, Purpose, and Play. Women waking up. Also, I love the colors. It's like every beautiful shade of pink lipstick, like, yes, yes, yes.Wendy Valentine 28:00  I know, isn't she? It's my little baby. This is actually, like, this is the advanced copy. So it's not even a real copy. But yes, I know. It just went into preorder this week. Lesley Logan 28:10  When is it publishing for reals? Wendy Valentine 28:12  Um, it publishes, it comes out on 9-9. Lesley Logan 28:15  Okay. Wendy Valentine 28:16  9-9 is the time, but and you know what? Before I got into writing books and things like that, I didn't know, I was like, why is everyone why don't they do the preorder? Why? Because I don't get the book. I'll give you $500 worth of reasons (inaudible). Literally, right now, pre-order the book. Because here's the thing, you could if you wanted to, you can literally start making changes today, just with the bonuses that you get with the book. Let me tell you what the bonuses are. Lesley Logan 28:44  Tell us, tell us because this is going to come out before 9-9 so you all can take advantage of this. Wendy Valentine 28:48  Oh yeah. You get the Women Waking Up Playbook. It's like 100 plus pages. You can download them. They are cute, colorful and cute and wonderful. You get the Freedom At Midlife Meditations that go along with the book, just to elevate your mind and help you become your own best friend, right? You get the Map At Your Midlife Dream Workshop, your customizable digital vision board. Thank you very much. I love that thing. Love it. I love it. Love it. What else? A $200 voucher to my Freedom At Midlife Program, and my fave, the Women Waking Up Spotify playlist. Yeah, so that's it. You literally get all of that. Lesley Logan 29:30  Before I even read the book. I can change my life before. And then when I read it, I mean, like, reminding me all these amazing other things. Wendy Valentine 29:37  Yeah, I know. And by the time the book arrives, then you'll get to read the rest of the story and then be like, Yeah, I already did that. Check, check, check. Lesley Logan 29:44  Yeah. So you're just putting all these little drops of confidence into your bucket as you read it, and then you get more, oh, I love this. Wendy, we need more time with you. I need, we need to hang out. I'm not, I'm not kidding. Like, is your RV heading my way before it's too hot? Like, I would just like to know.Wendy Valentine 30:01  You know what? I was gonna go to Nevada, because I'm starting this book tour now, but now I'm going up towards Denver. (inaudible) Maybe when I come back.Lesley Logan 30:07  On the way back, on your way back, you can do it. There's a great book shop called Writer's Block. There's some really cute bookstores in Vegas that are, like, great for doing some sort of tour of some kind, I agree, yes. Or you can go to one of my friends' amazing shops, and they'll, they'll host you. So just let me know, because I'll help make it happen. Because there's women here who need you. Oh, my God, we have to take a brief break, and then we'll get all your links and how we can, like, totally like, stalk you and like, the kids call you, stan you, you know, like stalker fan in one, one moment. Lesley Logan 30:34  All right, Wendy Valentine, favorite place to hang out on the internet, where's the links to pre-order the book, like, where, where's give us everything.Wendy Valentine 30:53  Do all the things. Okay. Instagram, it's got to be my fav. And I do share some cool, fun stuff, right? Lesley Logan 30:57  You do. I love watching your life. You carry a dog with in a bag. Wendy Valentine 30:58  I have some valuable content, with fun stuff too. So yes, Wendy Valentine on Instagram, and probably the best hub is wendyvalentine.com and from there, I know a lot of people have freebies, but my freebies really are awesome. Lesley Logan 31:16  Yeah there's 100 page freebie. I'm just gonna tell you right now, you, above and beyond, lady. Wendy Valentine 31:22  Yeah, yeah. So click, there's a freebies tab. You can even take a superhero quiz on there. That's my fav. There's a book tab on there that is where you can get all of your bonuses when you pre-order the book. And the book is everywhere, Women Waking Up, it's Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target. It's everywhere. And what else? Yeah, that's, that's it. And then, The Midlife Makeover Show, that's everywhere, where you listen to podcasts, even on YouTube, you can even watch the, you know, the playback of of me interviewing people in an RV.Lesley Logan 31:52  Yeah, yeah. You can listen. You can also watch the Be It Pod, you guys, we're on YouTube as well. You know, it's, I know, it's this fun thing. You do this thing for audio, and then people want the visual. So you we gotta do it all. Wendy Valentine 32:01  Give them the visual. Give them the visual. Lesley Logan 32:01  Okay, I love your acronym. So if you want that to be your Be It Action Item, we can replay that, that is totally fine. But if there's anything else we have to give these women that helps them ditch perfection, take that messy action, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps should they take, what else?Wendy Valentine 32:23  I would have to say, this is, I'm adopting this from Deepak Chopra, because I used to go to a lot of his retreats. And there was one thing he said to me, it's in his cute little accent, and he goes, you have to feel your way through life. I was like, what does that mean? I was like, feel my way through life, and we're so used to thinking everything through and probably overthinking, right? But ask yourself, no matter what it is that you're doing or thinking about doing, how does it feel to you? And most importantly, how does it feel to this new person, this new woman that you are creating in your life. How will it feel? Does that align with her? Does she like that? Does she not like it? And just enjoy. I mean, this, you get this tiny little we're like little blip of time on eternity in eternity, right? Like, just live it up in this little space and print in these parentheses. Just live it up and enjoy and stop overthinking. Just feel your way through life. Lesley Logan 33:25  I love that. And I actually really love him. He, I listened to him, remember, Oprah would actually release like, interviews on her like, podcast channel? And I listened to him talk about this time when he would go be a monk, right? Like his like, you know, go for like, I don't know, 30 days or something like that. And he the monk, his like, monk guide, was like, Oh, how was it walking through the jungle? And he's like, well, it hurt my feet. You know, it hurt my feet. And he and the guy goes, oh, well, when your foot is not on the ground, does it hurt? And he goes, No, I don't think so. He's like, well, then think about the other foot, right? Anyways, my husband is gonna love it. I have remembered that. Out of everything he said, I have remembered that so much because whenever my husband's like, oh, my knee hurts, I'm like, maybe you should think about your other knee. And I'm sure he's like.Wendy Valentine 33:26  Yeah or yeah, my arm hurts when I move it, like this, well stop moving it. Lesley Logan 33:35  What is your other arm, like, he like, heard something and I like, hit the other arm, and he's like, what are you do doing? I'm like, distracting you. It's from Dee it's from Deepak, fill the other one.Wendy Valentine 34:29  Refocusing, refocusing. You know? Lesley Logan 34:31  But I do agree. I think, like, you know, I know, I know the listeners, and I one of the reasons I want to have you on the show after I met you, is like, I know the women here will love listening to you, because we all came from this like time of overdoing overthinking. Have to map it all out. Has to has to feel like the right time, but not feel because we're not listening to our feelings, we're thinking our feelings and and so thank you for that. Be it actually, because I think we. Actually have to get into the feeling more, the actual feeling more, not the brain thinking feeling more. Wendy Valentine 35:04  Yeah, exactly. And especially since RVing, like, I'm on the no plan, plan like I don't. I used to plan everything in detail, and if I did not have that plan in place, I would not make a move. Now I'm like, I mean, 90 days is probably as much as I can plan, even though I like to dream and envision and things like that. Planning out too much does not leave room for miracles and spontaneity and the fun stuff. So don't forget to have fun and just enjoy, yeah.Lesley Logan 35:31  Yeah. Uh, I adore you. We'll have to run in, we'll run into each other someday, because I also love to get to we're gonna, we're gonna head down on our Summer Tour into Arizona, so maybe if you're still there, you know it's it's a little more than 90 days. So I'll ask you when it's closer, but you know, Wendy, thank you so much. Thank you for being you. Y'all go listen to her podcast. Go pre-order her book. Let us know. Tag Wendy. Tag the Be It Pod. Let us know what your favorite takeaway was. And by the way, I can't think of another episode you could send to like any woman over 40 right now that she will love. So do that, support the pod and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 36:13  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 36:56  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 37:01  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 37:05  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 37:12   Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 37:16  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome Natties to episode 105 “Uncle Kyle got Catfished?” Join us as we dive into the craze that is pickleball, the classic documentary and show Catfish, an insane documentary that just came out on Netflix, Kyle opens up about his true story of being Catfished and so much more! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for hit subscribe!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!SocialsUncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

Lesley Logan shares seven thought-shifting quotes that stop you in your tracks and invite deeper reflection. Alongside Nancy's inspiring community win and the graduation of eLevate's fifth round, this FYF episode is a celebration of growth, connection, and honoring the moments that shape us.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How celebrating wins shifts focus from fear to progress.The seven quotes that sparked fresh perspective for Lesley.Nancy Lawrence's inspiring trip and community connections through eLevate.Reflections on graduating the fifth round of eLevate.A grounding affirmation to step into tomorrow with openness.Episode References/Links:Seven Quotes - https://www.instagram.com/p/DKR5bSlOeBc/Ep. 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksEp. 53: Launa Jae McClung - https://beitpod.com/launajaeEp. 532: Launa Jae McClung - https://beitpod.com/launajae2Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Happy Friday. Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. It's September 19th. It's episode 579. How did we get here? Holy moly. I am so excited. I actually just got back from my trips to the U.K. and it's just like it's good to be home. We're only home for a little bit, but it's good to be home. And so I just want to say, thanks for being here. Thanks for listening. Thanks for checking in on these episodes. They're short, they're sweet, they're full of things to think about, things you didn't know to think about, wins from other people that are supposed to, that I hope, that I intend, for them to remind you of wins that you're having in your life all the time. Because we're all having wins in our life, right? All the time. Like, yes, there's a lot going on in the stuff that's like, not good. Like, it feels really scary. I really know for a fact that it has to do with our lives or brains, like, looking for things that are not going well to make us like, to make sure we're like, not gonna die, so that we like, go, oh, that's like, I can't, I gotta avoid that. So bad things have, leave more of an impression than good things. But that is why, here at the Be It Pod, we celebrate wins, especially on Fridays. I'd love for you to have a gratitude journal of some kind, but if it's only on Fridays, that's also fine. It's okay. We're not here and we're not after perfection in this room, right? Lesley Logan 1:53  So okay, start off with a little inspiration. This is seven quotes that altered my brain chemistry all over again. So I really appreciated some of these. I'm gonna read them to you. The link, if you want them will be in the show notes. This is from Bruce Lee. Pain will leave you when it's done teaching you. Wow, should I read it again? Pain will leave you when it's done teaching you. And this therapist who posted this wrote, which is why it pays to listen to its messages and not avoid them. So then this is from Joe Hudson. Joy is the matriarch of emotions, and she won't visit you until all of her children have been welcomed. And so the therapist wrote, all the noise in my brain just stopped. All the motions in my heart just felt wildly, gorgeously protected. The third thing, this is from Perry Nickelston, @stopchasingpain. Every time you feel alive, you're being shown your medicine. And the therapist wrote, because flow is more powerful than any drug, and if you felt it, you design the rest of your life, creating space for it to show up again and again. If you need more of that, listen to Episode 400 Gay Hendricks. Okay, number four. This is from Rumi. Our task is not to seek love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. Oh, that is so deep. So the therapist wrote, because I firmly believe that we don't have a hard time finding love. We have a hard time letting it in. Number five, this is from Vex King. You're telling me that every time you thought you couldn't do you couldn't get through something difficult, you did, and now you're back here thinking you won't succeed. Trust your track record, my friend. Yeah, you can't argue with that. Like, yeah, trust your track record like you have survived every fail. I think Launa, Launa Jae, said that on the first interview we ever had with her, like you've survived every failure you've ever had. So you can do this. You can get through it. The sixth one, this is an unknown quote. Healing happens in circles, not line. You'll return to old places with new eyes. I like that. Healing happens in circles, not lines. You'll return to old places with new eyes. So if your faced, this is what the therapist wrote, if you're facing the same test again that you faced before, it's not that you failed, it's that you've been given another opportunity to succeed, this time with more armor. Number seven, this is from Gary Vaynerchuk, so Gary Vee and he's not always my favorite, but he's not not my favorite, like he always has, he says something direct all the time, right? Do your thing, because I'm telling you, when you're 90, you're going to be sad if you didn't do the thing that's in your stomach. So I agree with that. Like when I was in Brazil, I was like, I should I go doing this thing? And I said, well, when I'm older, and I tell people about my trip to Brazil, I'm gonna regret that I didn't do this thing. Am I gonna say, well, I didn't do that thing, and I had the money to do it, I had the time to do it, so I did it, right? Okay, so that that, my friends, is some things for you to think about. Now, let's share one, I would love to know if you like these things, by the way, just tell me if you hate it. You know, that's also information. I don't know that I'll quit it, but you know, it's always good to have the constructive feedback. Lesley Logan 5:07  Okay, so our win today is from Nancy Lawrence. Happy FYF eve. My win this week is that my eLevate besties Ainsley and Jennifer Mason and my daughter, Miranda, also in eLevate, just booked a trip to San Francisco in September. We will spend five glorious days together, touring the city, and we plan on visiting the Balanced Body factory in Sacramento. Along the way, we plan on reaching out to other eLevate members and visit them as well, if possible, the Beauty of Pilates, the eLevate program and yours, Lesley Logan, far surpasses borders and frontiers for me. Through eLevate, I've gained a new family, a set of sisters I never dreamed I would find, not to mention a beautiful, close relationship with my own daughter, who is now becoming an exceptional Pilates instructor. So her daughter is in eLevate this year. Actually, graduates this week, which is really cool. And it sounds like as I read this, they are in they're in San Francisco. So anyways, ladies, have the best time. I love that city. It's so amazing. I I truly love that people can let other people in and then have their lives changed and shared experiences are the things you can never take away from someone. So it's great to text a friend, it's great to call a friend, but you also got to do the things with friends. You got to do them. And I know it takes money, and I know it takes time, and sometimes you don't have those things, but if the person lives in your in your city, then it can be free to just go for a walk in the park. You've, the shared experiences matter. So ladies, thank you for sharing this, Nancy, especially, because not only are you inspiring us at like dedication and investing yourself as is a win, but also, like so as a win, of just planning a five day trip with your friends, right? And, like going places together, that's a win. Planning a trip is a win. So anyways, thank you for that. Lesley Logan 6:51  Okay, my win. We are wrapping up our fifth round of eLevate. This is the first, it's not the first year we've had two rounds. It's the first year we've graduated two rounds at the same time, and because I did a year where they overlapped, and that just doesn't work with my schedule, but it was, you know, The win was that we tried it and we figured out what we liked and we didn't like about it. And this year, we ran two rounds at the same time. I'm going to do that one more time next year, and then we're, we are using next year to kind of change the program a little bit so that we can accept the people that want to be in it and make sure they get the same they get the best results. But my win in celebrating the closure of eLevate round five and graduating all these amazing people is that, like, they taught me as much as I taught them, I hope. You know, even though I'm the expert, their coming to invest in their Pilates teaching and their education and to become a more amazing teacher, it is so incredibly rewarding for me to sit there and reflect on the questions that they're asking and the things that they're being challenged by, and really understand like, okay, how how can I help them? But how can they help themselves? And this group is just so fabulous and so amazing, and they're from all over the world. I mean, they're, every group is, every every group is. We had people from 20 years old to in their late 60s. We had people who are brand new to teaching to people who are getting close to retirement. And every single one of them added something to to this experience, and the win is just that, like we got to take it all in in a non-overwhelming way. And I want to celebrate my team at this point, because I cannot ever do eLevate alone. I want to celebrate the eLevate grads who supported this, and we had so many eLevate grads help me with the weekends auditing to assist me so that I can provide this information and have a great experience for each of these people and celebrate all the people on my team and also my husband and my family out here. Because people come out to our house, and we often need help, you know. So I had friends who loaned me equipment so that I could do this. So I just, I just think that, like, their graduation isn't much a win for them as it is a win for me and my team, because we get to be part of this. And Nancy's win just really inspired me celebrating this in this moment, because Nancy and Ainsley and Jennifer graduated a year ago, and just seeing how they've connected continuously after they graduated, and what they've done with their training just reminds me of why this exists, and I think we have to celebrate the things we do, even if, though, even if it's really the win is theirs. Because, you know, if you're holding space for people to evolve and change and become more of themselves, like, you got to take care of you, and I so did. My team made sure that I was fueled and fulfilled, and my cup was filled, and I had time off before and after, so that I could really take all this in and be present and to celebrate a win of nine months of putting this together and making it so magical that I want to do it again, and I can't wait, we'll do it in January. So anyways, that's my win. You can have, there's just so many different wins you could have in this world. So thank you for that, ladies. And you can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. Lesley Logan 10:08  And finally, your affirmation to repeat with me is, I look forward to tomorrow and the opportunities that await me. I look forward to tomorrow and the opportunities that await me. I look forward to tomorrow and the opportunities that await me. I look forward to that for you, too, and for me. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 10:29  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 11:11  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 11:16  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 11:21  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 11:27  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 11:31  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Your health isn't a number on the scale—it's how you treat your body every single day. In this recap, Lesley and Brad dive into the wisdom of Amber Romaniuk, an emotional eating, digestive, and hormone expert with over a decade of experience and host of The No Sugarcoating Podcast. This conversation challenges the myths we've been sold about health and inspires you to listen to your body, trust your instincts, and finally put yourself first.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why Pilates footwork is a full-body exercise, not just about the feetWhy BMI is outdated and misleading as a health measure.Why we get stuck in suffering because it feels familiar.Daily habits that support hormones and digestion.How to advocate for yourself with providers.Episode References/Links:Follow Amber on IG https://www.instagram.com/amberromaniukAmber Romaniuk Website - https://www.amberapproved.caNo Sugarcoating Podcast - https://amberapproved.ca/podcastP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comWinter Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Expo Journal - https://www.pilatesjournalexpo.com/los-angeles-pilates-expoThe Aligner from Balanced Body - https://opc.me/alignerSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsThe Aligner from Balanced Body - https://opc.me/aligner Camp Shame - https://beitpod.com/campshameEp. 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksEp. 177: Lindsay Moore - https://beitpod.com/ep177Ep. 39: Jessica Valant - https://beitpod.com/ep39Ep. 41: Dr. Kelly Bender - https://beitpod.com/ep41Ep. 183: Dr. Kelly Bender - https://beitpod.com/ep183FemGevity - https://beitpod.com/femgevityIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the beneficial convo I had with Amber Romaniuk in our last episode. Nailed it. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us. You guys, I also think last week, I don't even think I said Jon's last name correctly, like I, I gotta you guys.Brad Crowell 1:22  You got close. It's okay. We. Lesley Logan 1:23  Okay, I think it's really important you know, I went to speech therapy, okay, as a child, I had a stutter. I had a lisp. I do think I'm slightly dyslexic. I, I'm doing the best I can here. Brad Crowell 1:37  You're doing great, babe. Lesley Logan 1:39  Today is September 18th 2025 and it's World Water Monitoring Day. And I got some fucking neighbors I'm monitoring. Anyways, every year, around 150 countries come together to honor World Water Monitoring Day. It just rolls off the tongue, don't you think? Brad Crowell 1:55  Yeah. Lesley Logan 1:55  Water, as we've been learning since a young age, is an extremely important source for keeping all living beings alive and well, you can go without food for a long period of time, about three weeks, but your body will most likely start showing signs of shutting down if you haven't had enough water intake for even a short period of time, about three to four days. I can't even go fucking three to four hours without some water. So I just so you know, if I'm ever kidnapped and tortured, I don't think I'm gonna make it three days. I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna drown. I'm gonna die. The human body is, after all, made of 60 to 70% of water. We're like cucumbers, everyone. Water is so important. I have, are cucumbers more than 60% water? Brad, will look it up. Water is so important that much of the space exploration budget is solely dedicated to finding water sources on other planets. A huge chunk of the earth's ecosystem.Brad Crowell 2:47  Cucumbers are 90, 95 to 96% water.Lesley Logan 2:50  Okay, so we're not like a cucumber, but we should act like we're, be it till you see it as a cucumber, guys. A huge chunk of the earth's ecosystem is also made of water, with countless organisms dependent on it, yet things like water pollution and climate change are threatening our water sources, which is why it has become more important now than ever to regularly monitor the water bodies around us. I kept interrupting myself, but I just want to say, like I did do a whole thing, you can drown yourself if you drink too much water, you can it's called hyponatremia,neutramia, nitremia, hyponatremia, nutremia, anyways, it's the opposite, and so.Brad Crowell 3:26  Hyponatremia.Lesley Logan 3:28  Natremia. So here's the deal. You do want to. Brad Crowell 3:35  The sodium levels in your blood become abnormally low because you're (inaudible). Lesley Logan 3:36  If you look at, like, cyclists or marathon runners, they're not just drinking water. They have electrolytes in it, you A.K.A., there's salt. So make sure that you be it till you see it like a cucumber, but put some salt in your water. Okay? Also, you know, while we're at it, research the companies who are putting salt in your water, because some of them are dick heads. Some of them don't believe in science, which is pretty fucked up, considering that they're fucking scientific. They're supposed to be scientific in what they're doing. Brad Crowell 3:59  I think we can call one out. Lesley Logan 4:01  Yeah, LMNT apparently supports MAHA. And I'm pretty pissed off.Brad Crowell 4:04  The two founders are, like, lockstep with RFK doing, you know, like de-science-sizing our science.Lesley Logan 4:14  So anyways, I'm pissed off because I really liked it. However, the great thing about being cookied and like algorithms following us is, I use Brad's phone several times to research different companies that are not LMNT, that don't have stevia or sugar, and not only do we come up with a few because of, like, a chat bot of Brad's, but now he's getting ads for some and I think one of the ads you got is brilliant, and I'm really excited about it, so. Brad Crowell 4:38  Yeah, it's a shame, because I really like their product. It was actually really great. Lesley Logan 4:38  It was really great, but, you know what. Brad Crowell 4:38  It still is great. I disagree with their. Lesley Logan 4:38  Clearly, since they don't believe in science. Brad Crowell 4:39  Well, I disagree with their opinions. Lesley Logan 4:43  But also, since they don't believe in science, there's probably a better scientific electrolytes out there. So we're gonna find those, and once we do, you'll know, because I'll just make us an affiliate, and we'll shout it up from the rooftops. But my fucking goodness, protect your water. Make sure, like, look, make sure that even if you live in a place where the water is abundant, we were, I could not believe how much water is in Idaho. I could not believe the amount of water in Idaho. I'm like, no one. California is like, just wasting water. There's no water. Like, when you live in the southwest, when you live on the west, like it's not exactly like, abundant. Brad Crowell 5:20  It's a desert, hello. Lesley Logan 5:21  Yes, I know. So anyways, it happened in Vegas. We found out that, like, when we use water out of our faucets and our sinks and our showers, like 98% of that, or something like that, is actually able to be reused, like cleaned and all that stuff. So, like, that's really nice.Brad Crowell 5:35  I don't know what the percentage is, but. Lesley Logan 5:36  It was over, it was over 90. Brad Crowell 5:37  Yeah, they're very intense in Nevada about water conservation and reuse. Lesley Logan 5:42  We're doing a great job in Nevada, because, we have. Brad Crowell 5:44  Specifically in Las Vegas. Lesley Logan 5:46  Yes, because our population has increased ridiculous amounts, and we've decreased our water consumption. And you know, the fact that people are fighting for their fucking green lawns pisses me off, because unless you live where it rains all the time, then by all means, like, lawn away, but like, if you don't, you know, lawns don't even capture water. Like, that was the shocking news to me. Brad Crowell 6:08  No. The only thing that grass does is look pretty. Lesley Logan 6:10  Looks pretty. Brad Crowell 6:12  That's it.Lesley Logan 6:12  So clearly, I'm against golf courses. But look, if water is natural where you are, and it rains and it can keep grasses green, then have them. But why are we doing the grass in the desert? It piss, like, those kinds of things are stupid. They don't make sense. It, just going with our you know, talk about believe in science. Anyways, at Be It Till You See It, we believe in science. We just got back from the U.K., literally two days ago. We are home, are catching up on work. We're filming stuff for OPC. We're recording stuff for this podcast, and then we're going to, this is our tour, we're gonna go to Chicago. I will be at POT for balanced body in Chicagoland in Burr Ridge. We're gonna celebrate our anniversary together, 10 fucking years married. Holy moly, can you believe that?Brad Crowell 7:00  That's insane. Lesley Logan 7:01  Yeah. I was like, are you still here? Brad Crowell 7:03  Yeah. Lesley Logan 7:04  So, 10 years married, and then from Chicago, we're gonna go to Cambodia, and we're gonna run our retreat in Cambodia. I'm so excited for the epic humans we're gonna hang out with in Cambodia. It's gonna be so (inaudible) and then we're gonna head up to Singapore on our way home. I'm teaching a workshop there. Go to crowsnestretreats.com for our retreat info. Brad Crowell 7:21  Yeah and if you're if this one is too close, because it literally is a couple weeks away, no problem. Get on the waitlist. Lesley Logan 7:24  You're not spontaneous, but they can't be spontaneous. Brad Crowell 7:31  No, you're allowed to be spontaneous. I get it. But also, like doing an international trip within a month can be challenging. So I understand that, I recognize that, if.Lesley Logan 7:39  My mom's friend did it in two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:41  She did. You're 100% right and you should do that, too. Drop your life and come join us. If that's not an option, then come join us next year, we are going to be doing this again in October of next year. We'll be announcing all the dates in January. So go to the website. Go to the website and get yourself on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com.Lesley Logan 8:00  Then, on you on our way home, go to Singapore, and then we come home, we hang out for a month. Brad's parents are finally visiting. It's only been 10 years. Don't throw them under the bus. They're lovely people. Anyways, we love them very much. And I just, I just love this 10-year vacation that we're on. Every 10 years. But anyways, we'll announce the winter tour deets on October 1st, actually. So the winter tour is going to release before you leave for for Chicago. So you want to be on the waitlist. opc.me/events to make sure you get that link. Also, 2026 is literally around the corner. We come home from winter tour. I teach at a Pilates Expo Journal. Brad Crowell 8:35  That's in L.A. Lesley Logan 8:36  That's in L.A. adjacent. I just as an Angeleno, I have a really hard time saying that something is in L.A. when it's not in L.A., because I just feel like it's not in L.A., and then we'll be in Poland. So if you are wanting information about that, check out my Instagram account. I'll put that stuff up there. We'll get the links up here in an upcoming episode. Before we get into Amber's amazing takeaways, what is our question this time, babe?Brad Crowell 9:00  etaine.pilates, yeah, is asking legs in parallel, hip distance apart, legs together, zipped midline, either or both? And this is. Lesley Logan 9:01  A footwork question. Brad Crowell 9:05  A footwork question.Lesley Logan 9:06  We got so many footwork questions. I was like, I'll just and some of them are longer than I can type a character count of Instagram. So here is the deal, footwork from Joe, if you're doing it Joe's way, on the Reformer or on the Wunda Chair or on a Cadillac or anywhere footwork is, you start with heels together, toes slightly apart. Brad Crowell 9:33  But if you're doing it Brad's way, you just put your feet completely 180. Lesley Logan 9:37  Yeah, he does his own way. Brad Crowell 9:38  But don't do that. Lesley Logan 9:39  So don't do that. So slightly apart. Like, people like to say Pilates V Pilates V is not first position. So don't get them confused. There's actually no. Brad Crowell 9:39  First position, meaning dancing. Lesley Logan 9:40  Dancing. It's a little that's a little too externally rotated, so it's a slightly apart. The other thing is, it's like, actually your neutral position of your femurs, like, when the body is in neutral, your femurs are slightly turned out, like, that's what footwork toes is. So that's heels, the other toes apart. Then when you move to arches and heels, ideally, you are zipped, zipping the midline together. However, bodies are interesting shapes. We have some people have bony ankles. Some people have large calves. You know, some people have thigh abundance. Some people are Knock Kneed. So here's the deal, if you cannot zip your legs together and get everything to touch so ankles, you know, knees, thighs, what you can do is. Brad Crowell 10:29  Oh, the zip starts all the way down there? Lesley Logan 10:31  Oh, ideally. Doesn't your zipper start at the bottom of your coat? Brad Crowell 10:34  I don't know, whenever I hear that term, I think it's like zipping from my core, so like from my my belly button up, zipping my ribs and, you know, or. Lesley Logan 10:43  Yeah, you could think that, it's fine. Brad Crowell 10:45  But I didn't think about it all the way down to the heels.Lesley Logan 10:48  Sorry, from the bottom, now we're here, babe. So gotta start from the from the feet up. We are talking about footwork, yes, but if you can't, because of your body shape, Balanced Body makes a really cool thing called the Aligner. You can put that between your ankles or your thighs. They have two different ways you can use it. It's really, really cool. We have an affiliate link for that. We'll toss that in the notes, and then, if that's but if that's more than you need because it is a little bit bigger, just roll up a towel, um, or get a little squishy ball and or get a yoga block. Or, like, get a get the dog's toy, put it between your the place in your body that has a hard time, like that's touching, like you don't like when your ankles touch, or your knees knock, put up between something close the chain, so your inner thighs activate. It's really, really important that the inner thighs activate so that you're not just using quads in your footwork. We want the inner thighs, want the hamstrings, want the glutes to work. So it's a full body exercise. So it's all the things you asked Heather, all of them. Brad Crowell 11:41  It's all the things. Lesley Logan 11:42  If you want to dive in deep to footwork, one, I think I'm teaching a workshop. I taught a workshop in the U.K., so that's passed, missed out on it, but we have free tutorials on our YouTube channel, on any place you can do footwork, and it's in our flashcards, and you'll can hear why I'm obsessed with it. If you have a question, go to you can text us at 310-905-5534, we're plus one country code, I guess, so, +1-310-905-5534, or go to beitpod.com/questions, you can submit a win or a question. I want to shout your wins out. That's what makes a Friday episode fun, is your wins. Brad Crowell 12:17  That is what does it and you should definitely be doing that, so. Lesley Logan 12:20  You should be. If you're not doing that, you're doing life wrong.Brad Crowell 12:22  I mean, y'all, we should have so many wins that we don't, we have to pick between them. So, let's go, step it up. Go to beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 12:30  Here's what people, my win's not very big or I don't want to take up space. You want to know something? That's what the fucking patriarch wants. They want you to not take up space. Because if you're quiet and you're humble and you think your win isn't anything, then you then they get have an easier time controlling you in your life. So take up space. Celebrate your wins. You're inspiring other people to see what they can do, and it makes the world a fucking better place to live in. Ladies, take up some fucking space.Brad Crowell 12:54  Take up some space. Lesley Logan 12:55  Share a win. Brad Crowell 12:59  By the way, the link for the Aligner is opc.me/aligner. Lesley Logan 13:04  Aligner. Good luck spelling that there is a silent G. Brad Crowell 13:07  A-L-I-G-N-E-R Lesley Logan 13:08  What's that comedian who, like, does a whole thing on like this, saying the silent letters in the U.S. and like, the English language, we call it aligner.Brad Crowell 13:15  Oh yeah. I don't know the name of the comedian, but that's hilarious. Yeah, go check it out. All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 13:22  Welcome back. Let's talk about Amber Romaniuk. Amber is an emotional, eating, digestive and hormone expert with over 11 years of experience and the host of The No Sugar Coating Podcast, which boasts 1.9 million downloads over 500 episodes and is listened to in over 88 countries. Her mission is to help guide women worldwide towards food and body freedom, a state where they understand and address their physical, hormonal, digestive and blood sugar issues, alongside the habits and mindsets that hinder their healing. Her backstory is very involved with her mission today. Her passion for helping women stem from her own profound struggles, which began at a very young age, and some of it was learned from family. Some of it was due to bullying. She shares a little bit about that on the interview. So if you haven't had a chance to go listen to that interview, definitely go, you know, hit pause. Go back. Listen to that. It's worth a listen. When she was a child, she developed an unconscious emotional connection to food, and it revolved around sugar and processed foods, and it led to full, full blown food addiction. And that's part of the story she shares. It's a bit shocking. And it's also, you know, I actually think it's something that is very relatable. And it's not just women who deal with this stuff, you know as well, food can become an addiction, just like cigarettes, like drugs, like whatever working out can be an addiction. For her, food became an addiction.Lesley Logan 14:47  Yeah, I just it's really interesting, because I, while we were on our tour, I listened to like, every podcast I could, and I actually ran out of episodes to listen to. I can tell we're on tour like I ran out of episodes I found this podcast. Podcast was about a camp that, like, heavyweights was based off of actually. And podcast series is really, really cool. It's called Camp Shame. You want to listen to it. And they did a really great job explaining, like, how, just how, historically, then this became associated with, like, healthiness and how, especially in the US, but in most Western cultures, we have really fucked people up by, including our medical world, by thinking that you just have to lose weight and that has created these food addictions and these other and these other ways of eating disorder addictions. And I think it's just.Brad Crowell 15:41  I think losing weight certainly can be the solution, but how could it possibly always be the solution?Lesley Logan 15:47  Oh, and that's exactly it. Because, like a lot of people who do have, do have a little bit more weight on them, doctors are always like, oh, go lose some weight first, before they even, like, listen to their fucking symptoms. And so then their issues get worse. Anyways, all this to say, I really enjoy that I really like when people are willing to share their stories of healing and then how they're going, because I think it's so important to normalize these conversations so that people can realize that, first of all, your weight often has zero to do with width of your health. And we know that now we have a lot of more information now than we did before, because, actually, of science and people studying these things and. Brad Crowell 16:09  Can you explain that? Because that's not intuitive. How is it that your weight could be? I mean, your weight has to have something.Lesley Logan 16:31  So first of all, everybody thinks a BMI is like your insurance companies will use your BMI to determine if you're healthy or not, and what your insurance rate should be. Your BMI was actually never supposed to be used for what health is? The scientists who did it was for another reason, and it was only sitting on men. And BMI means your height to weight ratio. Well, a bodybuilder could have what would be considered obese BMI because the weight. Brad Crowell 16:53  They could be short and huge, but they're intentionally huge. Lesley Logan 16:56  But their their muscles and their body so their body fat percentage is quite low, right, versus somebody who's the same height and maybe even the same weight, but doesn't work out, right? But, but by the way, we're we're acting like that guy with muscles is healthier than the guy without muscles, because we have been conditioned to think that that is healthy. That person might be on steroids, they might be under eating, they might. Brad Crowell 17:19  They could be starving themselves (inaudible) Lesley Logan 17:21  Correct. Right. And then the other thing is, is that, like, you're, a lot of our health conditions are actually genetic versus, you know, a lot of things, and we are, different races have different body shapes. And so we're saying, oh, if you're not heroin chic, then there's something wrong with you. Because the best way to describe the way that the 90s thought health and wealth and beauty was like fucking stick pencil thin. Those girls were eating cotton balls soaked in orange juice. Literally, you can go watch documentaries on this like that is how they were staying the shape that they needed to be to make money. And then we're all chasing this dream when our bodies actually don't want to look like that. They don't. That's not healthy. And so, at any rate, health, signs of good health, your weight is like, truly not one of them, unless you are on the very, very, very ends of a spectrum, but in the middle, there is a wide range of health that could be and your outside appearance is rarely able to to significant like, the indicator of what your health is, we have to look at your sugar levels. We have to look at like, do you digest sugar? Are you digesting your food? Are you absorbing nutrition? Like your microbiome is a better signifier of health than your weight on the scale. And so it's really fascinating, because we have a humongous population of women and men who are raised to think that I just have to be thinner. And so there's a lot of people, a lot of people, a lo t of people listen to this podcast who probably struggle with, I was at the gym today, right? And this woman, she is so, so sweet. She looks so cute. And she's like, yeah. She's like, I'm carrying 30 pounds more because of an injury. And like, the fact that she felt like she had to tell me that because she's a Pilates instructor. And so she's like, yeah, I was like. I was like, who cares? Like, I listen to her. Who cares. You are having the most fun. You're rocking your Pilates practice. Who cares? So the point is, all this to say, like, we, this country is fucked up, in how it thinks of health, and so people are worrying about what the scale says, versus, like, going to their doctor, getting their lungs listened to getting their heart listened to getting their blood checked, and then researching, like, what is, what's in range, hormones, hormone health, that kind of stuff. But like, we're, we're so obsessed with what the scale says, versus like, what does your blood fucking say? What does your blood say? So anyways, back to Amber. She said, we get comfortable in our comfort zones of suffering. And I think this is really, really important. A lot of us are afraid of being on the other side of whatever our addiction or whatever our thing is, because suffering has become comfortable. We know it. We know what to expect. We like certainty. We'll hear more about certainty in a couple weeks with Brad Bizjack. But like we like knowing these things, but we have to we, our comfort zone of suffering is not uncomfortable enough for us to want to get out of it. She said, we continue to do what is familiar because it feels safe to your brain. You can listen to Gay Hendricks or read his book about like your brain, like wanting to be in this comfort zone we will sabotage right? She described being terrified of the unknown. This is, I am familiar with this, like you're so terrified of, like the unknown, like I'll just stick in my suffering, because the other side, the thing that I want, is actually scary, because I don't know what's it going to feel like and but she said the suffering became bigger than the fear of change, and that is so key. Like, sometimes we just have to figure out what that's going to be for us. And she said your healing is one of the most valuable journeys you can choose, is going to help you grow and evolve in ways you can't even imagine. And I think this is so important, like, whatever is going on in your life, if you're feeling overwhelmed by what's going on in the world, because you've got stuff in your own life going on, it is your number one priority to heal yourself, to go figure out, like, who, what, what people, what services, what you need to heal so that you can go out there in the world and be this amazing, evolved human who helps and supports and inspires other people. Right? Anyways, so many good things in there. What did you love?Brad Crowell 21:32  I was digging where she's talking about, your actual body is always trying to heal. Doesn't matter where you are in your life cycle. And what she was talking about, what I what she was referencing there was the different, like hormonal stages of a female body, specifically with the perimenopause, menopause, you know, post she said, however, we have to look at what is in the way of healing. And it's not, not even just those stages, but it, you know, your mindset is so much a part of this healing, right? And whether you're seeing doctors or not, that's what we can contribute to the fix that we may be getting from an expert, right? But our mindset and our habits, the behaviors that we have. She said, she also, you know, when it comes to age and certain ages, right? I know from just being around people who are older than me, they have this idea that they're set in their ways, and there's nothing that can be done about it. And that's not true, you know, like, it doesn't matter when how old you are, you can start to create change and the internal, the way that we internalize, the way that we think about ourselves and think about the change and the hope and the shift in our health, will contribute significantly to whatever actual like, you know, whether we change our sleep or our food or our workout or our, you know, supplements or whatever, any of that, but the way we think about it is going to change, is going to support that or it's going to make it effective, right?Lesley Logan 23:15  Well, we talked about those habits, right? We have a whole habit series coming out, by the way, in December, so I'll dive in more there. But like, if you shame yourself after doing making a mistake in a change you want to make, your main mindset will keep you from making those changes again. Like you will not be able to do it even though your body wants to do it, even though you say you want to do it, like how your mindset is absolutely a huge part of making the changes and allowing your body to heal. Because your body wants to do it, but you're, you're getting in the way.Brad Crowell 23:43  Yeah and also your mindset of your provider, right? The, it's hard to change a provider, but I, you know the response that you mentioned earlier, oh, just go lose some weight first, and then we will do X, Y and Z, you know, like, that's some bullshit. That's such a cop out. Lesley Logan 24:00  Find a new provider. Brad Crowell 24:01  Yeah, and like, if you're getting told something like that, you are, you absolutely can go get a second opinion. Lesley Logan 24:08  You can also tell them, no, I've already have, like, there, in one of the FYFs, I think I actually brought up, like, things that you can say to a doctor. But like, and unfortunately, people who are in what's considered a larger body, you might have to say to the doctor, but I want you to know, come into this I've already lost X amount of weight. I have had this pain for this long. Unfortunately, no matter who you are, even if weight is not a thing, you're gonna have to say how long things happen. Because some people, some doctors, do not take some symptoms seriously until it's been a significant amount of time. Brad Crowell 24:45  Well, let's, let's, let's think about this here, like from the perspective of a doctor, it's a puzzle, okay, you are a puzzle to them, and they like figuring out puzzles, and they've educated themselves in a crazy way over many, many, many, many years to understand all the variables that are involved so, but, they're still human, right? And they're going to do what brains do, which is the fastest, easiest way to find the answer, the solution. That's what their brain is doing for them. So they're gonna look at it and go, well, step one is, is it fucking plugged in, right? Just like any of the stupid customer service calls. So what are they gonna say? They say, well, you're clearly overweight, so go lose some weight, right? And that is the easy answer for them, but there's more to it than just that. But they can say, well, this is definitely something that has to be solved anyway, and it could be a very likely contributor to whatever the problem is that you have. So what are they going to do? They're going to go to the easiest answer first. Now there could be far more to it, or if you can give them a clearer picture of the puzzle, you can already say, this is how long this thing's been happening. I have already lost X amount of weight. I have already done these other things. I have already changed my eating, my sleeping, my this. Yet the problem persists. Now they have a clear picture of the puzzle, and they can go, hmm, the easy is it plugged in response doesn't work here. What's the next thing on my mental checklist of things? Right? So it's really important to be communicative. It's important to be paying attention to yourself. It's important to have those numbers and statistics and like, you know, things that you've already tried, and to share that information, because otherwise you're gonna get the is it plugged in answer.Lesley Logan 24:53  And they don't, and to their to also like to be on their a little on their side, they are, they have to see a ridiculous number of patients in a day. They have, they're given six minutes with you, and so the more you can have your thoughts organized. Listen to the episode with Lindsay Moore and also Jessica Valant on, like, advocating for yourself in healthcare, but like, have these notes, because it will help your healing process if that's the route you have to go. And if you're going a route of a therapist or something like that, find one like it might take a few different people. And I know that's annoying. I know like, when you're when you are suffering and you're finally ready to make a change, it can be fucking annoying to start over week after week after week with a different therapist until you find what you like. But you have, you owe it to your future self and you owe it to the people that you're going to change their life by being yourself. Brad Crowell 27:05  Yeah, I mean, think about, think about it from the perspective of of a Pilates teacher or a fitness coach or whatever, like, if you are in the Pilates world, what we always coach our clients through Agency. We say not, you are not for everyone, and that's okay. The therapists are for everyone, and that's also okay. You're not going to connect the same way with this, with every person, but there is going to be one or more than one person that you're gonna be like, oh my gosh, I totally vibe with this person, and you'll be willing to connect with them in a in a better way. Doctors are the same way, right, like, so anyway, the Lindsay Moore episode is episode 177 and who else did you say? Lesley Logan 27:47  Jessica Valant, her first episode. Brad Crowell 27:49  Jessica Valant is episode 39 so go back and check out those interviews that both will be very helpful and supportive for this conversation as well. And yeah, the I think that you know, to sum this all up, if you're frustrated with the attention or lack of attention that you're getting from your provider, you are allowed to advocate for yourself. No one is going to advocate for you unless you hire someone to advocate for you or engage you know someone advocate for you, or maybe you have a family member who's willing to to play that role, but you can advocate for you, and it's also okay to go get a second opinion and to dig deeper. You know, you're allowed to do that, you know? So she, she said, we need to recondition ourselves, to normalize investing in our health. And what she's specifically talking about in that is that she's Canadian. They do have health care as a country. She said just because we get health care doesn't always mean that it's great health care, right? When she started having this, these deeper conversations with her doctors, she started cutting out some of the middleman and paying to go directly to the experts. Right, because she said, well, I couldn't get the referral, but I disagreed with them. I went to someone else. And just because the way the system was structured, it wasn't an option. So for me, I had to go straight to the expert, and that meant I had to pay out of pocket, and that sucks, because I did have access. I do have access to a healthcare system, however, that wasn't, that wasn't solving my problem and and I think in the United States, the irony is, we still have to fucking pay for things anyway, because our insurance system is so backwards. So, you know, I would say, you know, I agree with her that we need to recondition ourselves to normalize investing in our health, and that's that's exactly why we encourage people to go work out, too.Lesley Logan 29:44  And then, you know, call your fucking Congress person and tell them how much you would invest. Tell them what you want to see changes are. They work for us. And every country that you have some sort of voting system, the person who represents you is supposed to work for you whether you voted for them or not. So like be something in there, like be in their fucking bonnet about it, but first you have to heal yourself. And that does, unfortunately, there's like a statistic that it's like a ridiculous amount of money that women will spend on their health care versus men, because we are often getting second opinions because, unfortunately, they didn't study women's bodies. Brad Crowell 30:19  I think women also live longer than men. So maybe there's something to it.Lesley Logan 30:29  Especially if you don't get married. There's, like, a lot, so there's a fuck ton of study. Brad Crowell 30:53  Wait a minute. Lesley Logan 30:27  Yes. So it says if you're basically, the science is, if you're a man, you need to be married because you'll live longer, but if you're a woman, you should not get married because you will live longer. And so it's just, like, really interesting thing that, like women actually provided we still get to have our credit cards and our bank accounts and vote. You know, we will live longer if we just live by our like, live on our own or live in a commune with each other. Brad Crowell 30:53  Well, there's that. Lesley Logan 30:54  Sorry, babe. I love you, but.Brad Crowell 30:56  I love me too, so, you know. Lesley Logan 30:57  Okay. Brad Crowell 30:58  All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those action items. Those Be It Action Items that we got from Amber Romaniuk. Brad Crowell 31:05  All right, so let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conver conversation with Amber? She said, hey, the best habits for hormone and digestive health, start getting into a mindful eating practice and start having good sleep hygiene. And what she was specifically saying about mindful eating practice, this is really interesting, y'all, because we're glued to our phones, I'm just as guilty of this, like 100%, she said, for eating, put down your phone, sit and eat your food mindfully. Why? What does she actually mean by that? She said, Well, there's two elements to eating, and we're distracting ourselves from one of the two elements when we're not focused on eating. What are those two elements? There's the physical state of eating, and then there's the emotional state of eating. And if we are not paying attention to our food, there's very high chance that emotionally we won't even realize it, and we will just keep eating, because we don't emotionally think, feel, you know, that we're full, right? And also, there's still that, that element with the physical you know, you're not necessarily paying attention to your stomach, you're paying attention to your phone, right? So you could just keep going past the point of being full. So I just thought it was really interesting. It's not the first time we've heard this. In fact, I think Dr, Kelly Bender also mentioned eating and putting your phone away and just focusing on eating. Can't remember which interview that was, because she's been with us for a few, but. Lesley Logan 32:39  Yes, but you can go listen to them. Brad Crowell 32:41  Yeah, she, she was in episode 41 and 183 Dr. Kelly Bender, so we'll put those links in the show notes. But she, she mentions the same thing, like put your phone away while you're eating. And I never thought about it as as a mindful practice, but disconnect from that technology. And she said, same goes with sleeping. And of course, we've talked about this before.Lesley Logan 33:00  Mindfully sleep, put your phone away. You can actually sleep.Brad Crowell 33:04  Yeah, not mindfully sleeping, but like preparing for sleep, like actually preparing for sleep. And I know you went through a couple different extreme things where you would leave your phone in the other side of the house.Lesley Logan 33:16  I know I still want to do that. I just haven't figured out how to do that. Brad Crowell 33:21  It's tough too, because their phones are our alarms all the things. But like, you know, disconnecting from tech, she said 15, 30 minutes before going to bed, you know. And then also, she said sleeping before 11pm especially for women, because optimal hormone balance occurs between 11pm and 1am I don't actually know how that statistic comes to be, I think every body is a little bit different. And so, you know, we all have our own sleeping patterns. So I think it's important to understand your own circadian rhythm, a tool that we use to help us find ours, has been a ring like the ring that monitors your heart, your health, your blood, you know, your blood, all that kind of stuff, your blood pressure, I mean. And then it actually can identify your natural rhythm.Lesley Logan 34:05  We'll have to, we'll have to find out where that is, because I do, there is information that our liver also does its own, like clean, like cleaning out thing around 2 to 4 a.m. and so that's why a lot of people get up at two in the morning having to pee. Like, it's actually, like, there are, there are some things that the body just does at a certain time. Brad Crowell 34:21  But, but also, like 2 to 4 a.m. for me is not 2 to 4 a.m. for somebody else. So that's what doesn't make sense like, because the time zones like so, so I think, I think there's a, there's a there's like a guideline there. But, you know, I think it's obviously different forever. We live in different parts of the world.Lesley Logan 34:37  Luckily, for you, Brad, you can be a lark, you can be up, or whatever it's called, owl, you you don't your hormones will be fine. If you stay up past 11, it's okay.Brad Crowell 34:44  High level, she said, get your hormones tested. So.Lesley Logan 34:47  Get them tested multiple times, multiple times, because they they do change throughout the day, but also throughout your cycle. And also find a doctor, if not working with Amber or FemGevity, find fucking someone who actually gives a fuck. Because it took me, I knew I did not have testosterone for years, and I had it took me forever to find someone who would fucking listen to me, and so it is annoying, and you gotta advocate for yourself, but you need to find someone who actually gives any fucks about hormones. So whatever it is, find the person you're and yes, it takes time. I know you're busy. Brad Crowell 35:11  I think we could talk about FemGevity here. I mean, you probably heard the commercials that we throw in occasionally here. But you know, Lesley has been working with a female telehealth medicine company that is only in the United States. Sorry, Canadians, but.Lesley Logan 35:33  That's why they have Amber and anyone can well, you can be outside the States, outside of Canada, and work with Amber as well, of course, I guess, but yeah, you gotta find people. So if so cannot talk to Amber, contact FemGevity, but contact interview people who and see if they fit your vibe. Do they understand what your goals are? Like are, does it make sense them? If they're not, it's okay. It's not like, oh my god, they're an asshole. They don't get me. They're not the right person for you.Brad Crowell 36:00  Yeah, they're not the right person for you, or they don't have the time for you and so you can find somebody else. What about you?Lesley Logan 36:06  Becoming in tune and learning how to listen to your body, most powerful gift you can give yourself. I think it's kind of free, guys, as well. Yeah, it's free. She said, do a self-assessment. What symptoms are you experiencing? Rate your intensity, a one to attend, to effectively commute with a healthcare professional. So you could just literally take notes on your phone. And when you wake up, you could just, like, ask yourself, like, well, how do I feel? What am I experiencing right now? Like, in the morning, I'm experiencing a runny nose, oh, it's because I need to take my allergy medicine, right like, or, and in the afternoon, might sit down for lunch. You can go, what am I experiencing right now? And it's like, oh, my nose is still running. Maybe this is not allergies, right? Like, you know? And then after dinner, like, what? Instead, it could be part of your gratitude practice like, I'm grateful because I feel hot, I'm grateful because I feel tired, part of it, but start to rate it, so that you have notes, and you can start to see patterns. And then when you actually do talk to a healthcare professional, they can see that you are paying attention to yourself. Yeah, like, you know, it's really hard when you go, I don't know it's been a while since I've been feeling this way. Since when? They're going to know since when? Because a while for some people is three days, and for some people it's three fucking years. So you want to say since January 27th, every night I feel like this. You know, like that is important information. Build a self-care routine, if we I mean, we know that this is a big thing. I'm a big fan of, you know, even if it's just sitting or slowing down and practicing the art of doing nothing. That's a great thing.Brad Crowell 37:29  Oh yeah, that was a whole interesting part of the conversation. She said, we need to take 10 minutes and literally do nothing to regulate our nervous system every day. And I thought, huh, do I ever give myself time to do nothing? No, you know why? Because I've got a damn phone and I'm like, scrolling Instagram. If I, if I'm doing quote, unquote relaxing, I'm still doing something.Lesley Logan 37:55  You know what? Also, even if, like, here's the deal, you can walk your dog, which is going to be doing something, but then do nothing while walking your dog. And like so, but find ways to get bored. You know, our yoga teacher always talked about, when his kids go, I'm bored, he's like, you're so fucking lucky. It was one of the greatest things you could ever be, is bored. And lastly, Amber advised us to be patient and compassionate with our with yourself. Try to build a friendship with your body. Whoo, that one, that one, if you do nothing on this world, but like, build (inaudible).Brad Crowell 38:25  I mean, you asked, like, how do we not be impatient when we aren't seeing immediate results? And that's where she said, be compassionate with yourself.Lesley Logan 38:33  Yeah, if you were your friend, telling your friend, I'm not seeing X, Y and Z results, you your friend, would be like, okay, but how long has it been? Okay, but you. Brad Crowell 38:41  It's been a week. Okay, it took me 40 years to get here. Lesley Logan 38:44  Yeah, be nice. You're not a robot. Speaking of not being a robot, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 38:49  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 38:51  Thank you so much for listening to this episode. Thank you for sending in your favorite parts of the episode. Thank you for sharing what you love and your suggestions. Send your questions and your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. Share this episode with a friend who needs friend who needs to hear it, especially Amber's interview with your friends who are struggling with their health right now and their health journey. It gets really inspiring. Brad Crowell 39:09  beitpod.com/questions Lesley Logan 39:11  Oh, beitpod.com/questions that's more helpful. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 39:17  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 39:19  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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Women's hormone health, gut health, and emotional eating come together in an empowering conversation with expert—Amber Romaniuk—host of the “The No Sugarcoating Podcast”. Lesley and Amber unpack how food cravings, people-pleasing, and quick-fix culture can intensify perimenopause symptoms and what to do instead. You'll leave with practical steps to stabilize blood sugar, support sleep, and build a kinder relationship with your body.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Amber overcame binge eating and became a hormone and gut health expert.The connection between food cravings, gut imbalances, and emotional eating.Why perimenopause symptoms worsen with hormone and lifestyle imbalance.How standard lab ranges can miss hidden hormone and gut issues.How daily good habits prevent cravings and support hormone balance.Episode References/Links:Amber Romaniuk Website - https://www.amberapproved.caAmber Romaniuk YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@amberromaniukAmber Romaniuk Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/amberromaniukThe No Sugarcoating Podcast - https://amberapproved.ca/podcastGuest Bio:Amber Romaniuk is an Emotional Eating, Digestive and Hormone Expert, with 11 years experience helping high achieving women create a level of body confidence, intuition and optimal health through powerful mindset healing, self-care and overcoming self-sabotage with food. She does this through addressing the key negative thoughts, patterns and limiting beliefs that keep women stuck in the same behaviors for years and decades that they haven't been able to break. Her podcast “The No Sugarcoating Podcast” has 1.9 million downloads, over 500 episodes and is listened to in over 88 countries. Amber overcame her own emotional eating after gaining and losing more than 1000 lbs and spending over $50,000 on binge foods and spending 5 years balancing her hormones, digestion. She also dismantled her deep limiting beliefs and behaviors keeping her stuck in the same looping patterns. Now she helps others achieve the biggest healing miracles of Body Freedom™ so they have the confidence and health to create amazing lives. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  Be It babe. This is going to be a fabulous, fun conversation about women's hormones, hormone health, gut, microbiome, your cravings, binge, people-pleasing, self-care, priority of self, like, this is all the things. And we've had different people dance around these topics. We've had like hormone person or an emotional eating person, or these kind of and now I have someone who's an expert in all of it, all in one show for you, and it really connects all the dots, but also hopefully empowers you. It's never too late to start taking care of yourself, because if you want to be it till you see it, if you want to be the strong, amazing human in this world, we have to take care of ourselves. And so we're gonna talk about what's going on with your body that could be affecting you. And we're gonna talk about, you know, some things you can make, the easy changes you make in your life to make it easier to go into perimenopause, to be in perimenopause and post menopause. So here is Amber Romaniuk. Lesley Logan 1:55  Hey, Be It babe. This is gonna be a fun conversation. I can already tell. Our guest today, and I just met a moment ago, we're already talking about nails and life and perimenopause and menopause and so Amber Romaniuk, thank you so much for being here. You're the host of this No Sugarcoating Podcast. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Amber Romaniuk 2:12  Yeah, and thank you for having me today. I am an emotional eating, digestive and hormone expert with 11 and a half years of experience coaching women all over the world to claim what I call food and body freedom, which is really about claiming and understanding what's going on in your body, physically, hormonally, digestively, blood sugar, etc, and getting to the roots of your symptoms, your weight loss blocks, but also looking at the habits, behaviors and mindsets that are keeping you stuck and not helping you heal. So helping you overcome the binge eating, the emotional eating, the people-pleasing, the negative self-talk, the low self-worth, so that you can make yourself a priority, and that all assists in the physical, mental, emotional, energetic, healing.Lesley Logan 2:48  Yeah. First of all, love that you used, like, expert, like, like, we didn't even stumble on that word, like you were, like, so proud of it. I just adore women who can call themselves that proudly and confidently. So thank you. You are. And also, I love that you brought up people-pleasing and prioritizing ourselves, because whether or not you are wherever you are in your body journey, people-pleasing can affect us in many different ways. That can be affecting us how we eat, but it also can be affecting us with how we treat ourselves and the things that we do. So, so, okay, can we take a step back and kind of go into like, how did you get here? And how did you get so passionate about helping people through this journey?Amber Romaniuk 3:34  Yeah, so it really was a personal journey that I had to go through myself, and so I grew up and at a very young age, started struggling with body image issues. I was five, it was my first day on the bus, and the older boys called me fat and ugly, and then the whole bus made fun of me, and that identity of fat and ugly I really took on for the next 20 years of my life. And I grew up in a household with great parents. However, my mom was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis before I was born, and so she used food as a coping mechanism. I didn't know at the time, but everything we did revolved around food, and so I created an unconscious emotional connection to food at a very young age, and didn't realize it, and I could eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. So there's a lot of sugar, a lot of processed food, and then you hit your tweens and teens, and you start struggling with body image, right? You get, you're reading all the magazines, comparing yourself to celebrities. What's wrong with me that I don't look like that? And then I started dieting. And then into my early 20s, I had my first real breakup. Was so upset, could barely eat, lost weight really fast, became asphyxiated with my body, picked myself apart even more, my cycle disappeared, and it was just like, this switch flipped, and it was like, this is too hard to attain. And I started binge eating. And I would eat until I was so full I was sick. I gained like 70 to 80 pounds in four months. Now I was the heaviest that I had ever been, just so ashamed, so embarrassed, binge eating multiple days through the week. Went through a phase of about six months of binging and purging. Because I thought, if I can prevent gaining weight, I will do this. But obviously it just like stressed my body out even more, and I just ended up in a full blown food addiction, where I was either losing control with food and eating until I was so full I was sick, or trying to grip onto the next diet, the next eating style, the next workout craze, to try and gain some form of control with food. And now, of course, none of that was working, and it was just this boomerang of all or nothing. I'm either trying to be perfect on a diet or I'm losing control of food. And for me, my low point moment, which I don't wish for people to, have, to go through a low point. But sometimes we need it to kick us in the butt and help us, like, go, okay, something has to change. But my low point moment was I would throw the food in the garbage, because if I threw it in the garbage, I'm like, I'm not going there. I'm not going to dig through the garbage and eat the food. It was a turn off. So that night, I'd thrown the food away. And at this point, a couple years into this behavior, I started to realize I was binge eating, but I didn't know how to deal with it, and so I had thrown the food away. Specifically, it was Oreo cookies, and I was laying on the couch crying, just like I am afraid for my life. I don't know if I'm gonna make it to 30, was about 22 at the time, if I keep in this destructive behavior, because I was very hard on myself. And a few hours later, as the food settled, I thought, well, if this is the last time I'm gonna do this all or nothing mentality, I'm gonna go get those cookies, and I don't care. And so I went into the kitchen, and I did. I dug through the garbage, grabbed the cookies, then I went outside and threw them in the dumpster, and went back later, like, out into my back alley of my apartment, and, like, dug through again. Lesley Logan 6:31  And this is where we can see it's an addiction, like any drug, you know, like, like, I mean, because we it's like, it you could insert cocaine or cigarettes or alcohol in there. Yeah. Amber Romaniuk 6:43  Yeah, and yeah, and that's the thing, and food was my drug of choice. Thank God it wasn't cocaine or alcohol. I probably wouldn't be here today because I was, it was such a compulsive, like all the time behavior, and so after I did that, a couple of really important things happened. The first is we get comfortable in our comfort zones of suffering. Even if you're suffering, you will continue to do what is familiar, because it feels safe to your brain. Yes. And so I was terrified of the unknown, terrified and overwhelmed about thinking about, how do I start even dealing with this? I've got like, 80 pounds to lose. I'm out of control with food. My guts a mess, like I'm a mess, like I don't even know where to start. And that was overwhelming. And you know, you're afraid of the unknown. Who am I going to be if I'm not using food as a crutch, I'm not chasing the number on the scale, I'm not obsessed with trying to look a certain way, like my identity was just asphyxiating around all of these things. And so that moment, though, was like the suffering became bigger than the fear of change and then the comfort zone and so really catapulted me into this healing journey of many layers of healing, physically, emotionally, energetically, hormonally, you know, building self-worth, learning like, how to actually love myself and and heal things like people-pleasing and really completely reshape my identity. And that's really what birthed my business was, oh my gosh, if I struggled with this to the level I did, how many other women are struggling, and it's 90% of the female population in North America, by the way, struggling with some form of emotional eating behaviors or body image issue, and it just really inspired me. I'm like, I went through that because I am here to help women heal and break free of this for good. It's not supposed to be oh, well, maybe you'll manage it and it'll come back sometimes. No, like, I help my clients fully gain freedom from this, which is what we should be able to do if we really address the roots.Lesley Logan 8:33  Yeah. I mean, especially because, like, I have friends who've been sober for years, and they can be in a bar with you, they can be you can like, they like, you know. And so I always thought like, if someone who could have such a destructive behavior addiction with alcohol or drugs can be around it and not tempted, then that should be there should be a little about food. But the thing that like struck my attention, I think we can a lot of your gut is an an interesting beast, because what you feed it, it starts to crave, and so I like and at a young age, if what you're feeding it is processed foods and sugar, and you don't know better, because you're just doing whatever like it's allowed. You're changing your microbiome. And then what it is, it is telling you you're craving. So you've got your own stuff in your own head that you've got, you've got the outside world who's put pressure on you, good or bad, and then you've got your gut going, but I really want those Oreo cookies, like I'm not gonna stop until I get what I need, because my the bacteria in my gut is saying. Amber Romaniuk 9:33  Feed me. Eat me. Lesley Logan 9:34  Yes, yeah. So I find, like, I really do feel for people where they don't have this freedom, because it is almost all encompassing, like here you were telling a story about 22 like you, you can't, can't really grow in any career or relationship or life with this kind of thing going on around here in your brain.Amber Romaniuk 9:56  No, no, I was broke. My bank account was always in the red. I was single. I was isolating. I didn't want to see anyone because I didn't want people to notice I'd gained weight, and I felt so triggered when I go out and be around people in food that it was just like, there's just no point in doing anything, but you're right, like, and that's where I think so many people keep in these behaviors, because we're not taught and educated that with binge and emotional eating to whatever level you're dealing with, there's not just emotional eating triggers. There's physical emotional eating triggers like candida overgrowth. There's hormonal imbalances that trigger emotional eating. Being a sensitive empath triggers emotion like there's so many different things to potentially look at, and I didn't know any of that until I started healing it. And then, of course, one of the blocks with candida that unhealthy gut overgrowth is, you look at a lot of the protocols, and they're like, cut out all this stuff. And while, if you're in a binge or emotional eating behavior, restriction is a massive trigger to rebel with food and then go eat all the things you're not supposed to have. So there is, in my opinion, a like, approach and a method to healing your relationship with food while supporting your gut and then clearing that stuff out without intensive restriction that you don't end up like going back. But the gut and the cravings, I had the worst candida that, like I did a test that they had ever seen. No wonder, antibiotics, excessive sugar intake, high stress levels, like, the cravings were so bad. So I totally get what you're talking about with.Lesley Logan 11:21  Yeah, yeah. So, like, so I want to kind of fast forward, because, like, obviously, like, in your 20s, you're able to go on the journey. But we get we get older, and if we you brought up hormones and gut health, and it's like, so most of people listening are in their 40s, and by the way, it's never too late to figure out your health journey, loves, but with perimenopause, like it's going to hit every woman who's listening, and the few good men that are listening, it's going to hit every woman that you know. So you may as well don't tune out, because you got to know what's going on so you can be supportive. How, how does a binge or, like, emotional eating, people pleasing, lifestyle affect perimenopause. Is it like just gonna continue to be the same and everyone who goes to the same perimenopause is gonna make perimenopause worse? Like, what? What should we be looking at? Amber Romaniuk 12:11  Yeah, good question. Likely it's going to make your perimenopause experience worse. And here's the thing, if you never had your hormones tested, ever or not in your 20s or your 30s, mid 30s, you could have had deficiencies in your 20s. I was playing post menopausal at 24 from all the stuff I had put my body through, I had no progesterone. My estrogen was through the roof. My thyroid was a mess. I had the highest cortisol stress hormone that, again, like the test people had ever seen. So and that was in when I was 24 and then I course corrected it, thank goodness. And then, you know, perimenopause has been easier going into it, but it's it's going to potentially be more difficult, because if you have had deficiencies with your hormones for years and you don't know about them, guess what? Things really start to change when you hit that 35 to 37 mark, going into your 40s. And so if you're already fatigued, if you have already retained water, gained weight more easily. You already have a thyroid issue, right? You're putting yourself last like these issues amplify, because our cortisol starts to gradually go up once we hit perimenopause. We start to see more depletion with progesterone and estrogen or for some women, it's skyrocketing because of gut flora issues, too many toxins in the body. And like I said along a lot of women have a thyroid issue and don't even realize they do or it's not being properly dealt with, and our thyroid hormones start to kind of can start to move in the wrong direction. If we're not paying attention, our inflammatory load goes up. We need enough progesterone, which is one of our sex hormones, to combat inflammation, which will show up in the body in the forms of redness, heat, swelling, retention is one of the biggest ones. I see like your rings fit tighter, your bra strap fits tighter. Your face feels puffy, but if we don't have enough progesterone, we can't combat that inflammation, and so you will feel like your clothes are fitting tighter. All your old tricks you used to use to help you lose or maintain weight don't work the same anymore. So if you're trying to diet or cut calories or burn calories, and it's not working, it's because there's so much more to look at here that the body's like, no, there's a lot.Lesley Logan 14:11  Thank you for bringing that up. Because, like, I'm a Pilates instructor and I have an on demand platform, and one of the things we do not say is weight loss. It's on purpose, because science is the science is there. I wish the media would get part of it, which is like, yeah, you can work out, and it can support a journey, but it isn't the journey. And so I actually cannot claim that Pilates will help you with anything other than, like, muscle strength, mobility, like the things that, like, I know from experience. But as far as, like, what the scale does, that, that that is all, most of those hormones, and then what you're eating, and then, you know, implement all this other stuff. And I just really pains me because I I don't do the show, because I think anyone needs to change their body in any way that's to me, like, you know, what I do think is you need to be the strongest person you can be for the people you do love like that is important. Life is not easy if you're weak, you know, but, but I think like knowing our bodies, like understanding like how our hormone health can affect our ability to show up in this world, like this is podcast called Be It Till You See It. And like, everything you're bringing up is like talking about how our bodies are going to go through harder things if we're not taking care of it. And then you, doesn't matter what your goals are, doesn't matter if you want to be a writer, author, you know, coach anything. Because if you if your gut is telling you stuff, if it's causing your body to produce or not produce hormones, then you're and you are then having other issues with maybe how you're eating, it's going to affect everything. Amber Romaniuk 15:45  Oh, yeah, 100%. Well and here's another thing, right? Progesterone. We need enough progesterone to help us produce GABA, to help with falling asleep and with helping to produce serotonin when your mood-boosting neurotransmitters. So when women say, I don't feel like myself, we've got to look at what's going on in the gut, the hormones. But then we also have to look at where are you on your priority list? Because most women are last or close to last, because it's their comfort zone to put everyone else first. But then this is where it really hits us hard in perimenopause, because again, you're starting to have these depletions happen, or maybe they've been happening for a long time, and this is where they really get loud and will pronounce specific symptoms or things that are just not so easy to resolve like they used to be.Lesley Logan 16:26  Yeah, yeah. And we have a thing we say, like, self-care is, isn't selfish, like, it's, it's actually, I actually think it's quite selfish if you do not prioritize yourself first, I think you're actually, like, you know, trying to think that you're a bigger deal than you are, and then you get mad at people and really, like, actually, if you take care of yourself first, if you are the one who's going to sleep, if you're asking your partner, like, hey, I'll do the wake ups, but you do the like, these kinds of things, then you actually can have more love and more energy and more to give people. But if you don't, then you're actually going to be a drain on them. You're actually going to cause them to have to take care of you sooner. So let's talk to the people who maybe are already in perimenopause or after menopause. Is it too late for them? Yeah, okay, let's get into that. Amber Romaniuk 17:11  Yeah. No, definitely not too late. I think what you have to remind yourself is that your body's always trying to heal. It doesn't matter where you are in your life cycle. I have helped women with all of this from their 20s to their 80s, and they've seen things balance and regulate. So your body's always trying to heal, but we have to look at what's in the way of the healing, and how are you in your own way, and how is your mindset and your habits and behaviors in the way? Right? So I think one of the biggest things we have to look at first is, what kind of relationship do you have with food, and what kind of relationship do you have with yourself? And while we're looking at that, you've got to get your hormones tested. And here's something that I see with especially North America. But you may say, oh yeah, I went to my doctor. They did the testing. They said, everything's fine. It's not my hormones or it's just once you're a certain age, there's nothing you can do, so you just have to deal with it. And I will tell you no to both of those with all due respect. Number one, the ranges for testing in North America are far too big. In my opinion, they're probably triple to quadruple what they should be, and they're making them bigger. So a lot of women will have imbalances in the normal ranges. I did myself. And the second thing is, like I said earlier, your body's always trying to heal, but it's just finding the right people to work with to help you pinpoint what's going on and helping you connect your symptoms to your habits to your test results. And then what steps do we need to start taking to regulate things? Now we've been conditioned like do a test. Take a supplement. Now testing is very important information, and vitamins can be a great part of your healing journey, but it can turn into a quick fix if you think all you need is a few supplements to course correct this, okay, because what we're not asking ourselves is, why did I end up with severe adrenal fatigue in the first place, which is where your cortisol gets way too high? How did I end up with hypothyroid, underactive, sluggish thyroid, or Hashimotos, the autoimmune condition in the first place? Why is my progesterone so low? What kind of cycles have I been having in my 20s, 30s? Was it easy to get pregnant? What? What kind of, you know, menopausal symptoms Am I having? Like, we need to start asking, why, and not just, oh, I got a result. Now I'm taking this vitamin. How come it's not changing? Lesley Logan 19:15  I love this. Amber Romaniuk 19:17  Well again, like, I think supplements can become a quick fix. Like, oh yeah. Like, I, in the DMs all the time, people are like, what's just tell me what supplement to take. I'm like, number one, I can't do that because it's illegal for me to do so. Number two, you're missing the point. Like, we've got to look at your lifestyle and everything. It's not just a hormone test and then a supplement. If you don't change the habits and the behaviors, you're just going to get pissed off at your practitioner that they didn't help you and that it's not working when, right? We need to get all of it. All of it.Lesley Logan 19:46  I couldn't agree more. Years ago, I was going through some crazy digestive issues. People who've been listening for a while know about this. I, like, cr-, like horrible just would wake up every morning like the like, a flat stomach no iflammation. Would go to bed every night look like, I was, like, eight months pregnant. Just, like, just terrible. I even took pictures, because I was like, Is this in my head? Like, am I making this up? Like, and I would like, find myself looking at people well, they ate dinner, and they look the same after they eat dinner. I eat dinner, I don't look the same. Like, what is going on? And I went through so many different doctors, and I could get zero help. They just want to call it IBS. And I'm like, I refuse that label, sir, because that label is nothing that just is, like, it's zero. It just means I this is what I have and like, so I bought so I, like, walked off of that, and I paid for this guy to take these tests. And he actually worked with a lot of athletes and celebrities and helps them either gain or lose weight for roles or for a lot of athletes. It's like, I was hitting goal goals before, and now I'm not. And he he can look at their what's going on their blood, and then he can go, okay, well, what changed? Right? He's like, oh, I was really stressed out, so I took up oil paintings. Like, where are you oil painting? He's like, in my room. He's like, let's not do that. That's why there's lead in your, you go, oil painting outside, sir. Like, you know, anyway, so going back to him does a test, and he goes, technically, all a lot of these things are in range, but let's explain in range in the States, at least, I don't know if it's the rest of the world. It's not my area of expertise. They take, they took a bunch of people, and then they dropped the first two and a half percent and the last two and a half percent, and they called that a range, yeah, but we actually don't know if that range is optimal for everybody or that body. And so I really test any doctors I work with. If they say, oh, you're in range, you're good. I actually wait for them to say, but while you're in range, you're not in range for like a really do wait to see, like, are they gonna qualify this? Because I don't feel good. And so I don't care that my B12 is in range, I feel low. I feel low energy. And so, so I work, work with someone recently who was like, okay, these levels are in range, but they they might be low for you. So we will put you on this. But we also have to wait for these tests to come back to figure out what caused this in the first place. I was like, ding, ding, ding, you pass the test, and sure enough, there's something going on in my gut. It's been going on for a long time. We were able to tame a lot of it, but I had a parasite, I had a couple other bad bacterias, and so those things are affecting my body's ability to produce the hormones it should be able to do on its own in this moment, you know. So I think, like for everyone listening, it's okay to change doctors. It's hard, especially if you live in the States, I'm not going to say it's easy. I'm not going to say it's cheap. I'm not going to say that any of that. But you have to advocate for yourself. Amber Romaniuk 22:27  You do. You have to advocate for yourself. You can't be afraid to get second opinions. And I think something that we have been like, especially here in Canada, because, quote, unquote, we have free health care doesn't mean it's good. Hey, because you get five minutes, you get one thing, they'll flip through your blood work, everything's fine, see you later, right? That's not healthcare. So one thing that I'm always saying is we need to recondition ourselves to normalize investing in our health, to be willing to spend money investing in the vessel that is literally carrying you through every moment of your life. You have no problem spending $1,500 on an iPhone, spending money on this and that and that and this and this and this and this. But then people get triggered, going, that's expensive for my health. Why do I have to pay for that? And it's like, where is the normalization of that? And so, so part of it is getting secondary opinions and being willing to save or to put money into investing in your health, because it's everything and unfortunate, like, I think it's going to change, but as things stand right now, you get very little from your primary care unless they're a very good, very thorough doctor, which, there are some out there. But I've cut out the middleman with all my clients. Yeah, I do the testing with all of them, because I'm tired of half the doctors being like, you don't need that. Who's ordering it? Why do you want this? You're not in that age range. You look fine. You don't need this test. And and the doctor questioning them, and then the other half doing them, and then, yes, scanning through and saying, everything's fine. And then I say, bring that to me. Let's look at it. And I'm like, I'm seeing some stuff that, you know, I can understand why you're having the symptoms you are. Lesley Logan 23:52  Right because that's, that's the thing. It's like, it's someone reading and listening. So there's like, the I can look at the paperwork, and I can say, okay, this person should be fine, but if I'm hearing you say I'm tired, and I go, okay, well, you're in range, but this is kind of, this is on the lower of the range. Yeah, that's probably why you're tired. Let's or we could try it out, like there's, like, we can try these different things out, and they can test it. Is called a practice, they could. So, I mean, the joke is, like, I pay a fuck ton of money for health insurance here, and I get the same response from a doctor, so I, too, had to pay out. But I there's a there's a study that says, like, women are more likely to pay for these things, and I think it is, it is changing, because a lot of women are going I don't have to put up with this anymore. I don't have to, don't have to with my mother's menopause. I don't have to, like, hide in a corner and just go well, this is me now, and this is how it's going to be, and I'm just going to have to have these sweats. It's like, no, there's, there is studies out there, and the more women voice their concerns and do their research and demand from their professionals that that's what they want, it is going to change things. I do believe that we can change these things. So any habits or tips that we should consider when it comes to our hormone health and our digestive health that our listeners can take away with you?Amber Romaniuk 25:12  100% so I think one of the first things is start getting into a mindful eating practice, disconnecting from technology, phones, computers, and actually sitting and eating your food mindfully, you'll digest better, and you'll be more aware of what physical and emotional satiation feels like. When you're eating and you're multitasking, number one, you're not in digest and rest mode, you're not going to digest properly. Number two, a lot of women I work with also binge or emotionally eat, and then they finish their food and they're like, oh, but I finished that really, like, I want something else, because they weren't present and they weren't present and they weren't paying attention, and so that you'll never be emotionally satiated when you're not paying attention. And so they pick through the cupboard, and then they overeat, and then they're hard on themselves. So that helps with that, and it starts to help you what is full feel like. A lot of women don't know that either, and so knowing fullness is also important to prevent overeating. So I think that's important. Getting enough sleep as you get into perimenopause, and I know you can be awake from 12 to four in the morning because your progesterone's still low, your thyroid is off, your blood sugar's off, right? So get your hormones tested. However, also practice good sleep hygiene, ideally disconnecting from technology 15 to 30 minutes before bed, getting to sleep before 11 pm optimal hormone balance is trying to happen between 11 pm and 1 am and if we're trying to be a night owl or you're binge watching TV, like, these habits are not going to help you make perimenopause or menopause easier. I also think for most women, and this is in my experience, because most of them are dealing with hypothyroid, high cortisol, progesterone issues, etc, through peri and menopause, fasting until you get your hormone test done, and if everything looks really good, maybe that's going to work for you. But stop skipping meals. Stop skipping breakfast. You're going to make things go in the wrong direction. Eating regularly through the day is very important for blood sugar stability, because when we start to get into those perimenopause and menopause phases, our blood sugar can get a lot more sensitive, and deciding to skip breakfast because I want to lose weight or because I don't feel hungry will actually just make that worse, and it can suppress your metabolism more easily. If you're not hungry in the morning, it's either because you have a hunger hormone imbalance or a thyroid issue. So we need to investigate, again, what is going on. It's not normal to not be hungry, and if we assume I'm not hungry, I shouldn't eat. And then, you know, you're tired, your blood sugar's crashing. You're gaining weight, whatever's going on. This is, unfortunately, you know, innocent assumptions that are fueling more stress with the hormones. So eating regularly through the day, ideally eating something small within 30 minutes of waking up to wake up your gut, your blood sugar, metabolism, getting everything going, and then obviously food's gonna look a little different for everyone. But again, trying to eat as close to nature as possible, less processed food, protein, oh my gosh. Women don't eat enough protein or fat. Fat is our friend. We need enough fat to balance our hormones and to lose weight and energy mental clarity, so starting to feel safe enough eating enough and carbohydrates are also safe. But I'm talking like fruits, veggies, starchy vegetables. Some will make new grain. Some can't. But like, we need carbohydrates. All these diets and eating styles that are like, cut carbs, don't know we need enough. And here's one specific example, if you have cortisol issues so high or low cortisol, adrenal fatigue, burnout is a common like, way of people saying it, where you're exhausted and you're gaining weight in the abdomen, you're puffy. Cutting carbs will make that so much worse. And so this is where it comes back to get your health assessed, get your hormones tested, get your gut assessed, work with someone who can look at your whole picture, physically, mentally, emotionally, and then help advise you on the best way to eat in support of helping your hormones and gut balance, helping heal your relationship with food. I learned that the hard way. I cut out a bunch of carbs when I was trying to heal my gut. It it my hormones were a mess. I gained a ton of weight, and I wasn't binge eating, right? So it's innocent. You're trying to just fix things, but then you don't know what's going on, and it just makes something worse. So, yeah.Lesley Logan 28:57  Yeah, it's so I mean, because here's the thing, like, for most people listening, you know, your elder, millennial, young Gen X, and we were raised on the no fat, sugar-free things, right? And so you you got sub subconsciously, you're right. Like, fat is not your friend, and it's like, your brain really likes it. And like, I so, but I found is I'm not someone who, like, counts anything, I try, really, really hard to just go, like, is there protein happening every time I'm gonna eat? Is there like, literally, protein on every plate. And then I'm, like, happily excited for cheese, avocados. Like, bring it on, you know? But I had a girlfriend who was like, just try this thing out. And I was like, I'll just see what she's doing every day. I was like, I'm not getting enough carbs. What is going on, and I had to, like, and be intentional about it. And I was like, no wonder I don't have enough energy at the end of the day. I'm not pull I have not fueling myself to have energy in the day. You know, it was, it was while I quit after, like, that realization. I was like, well, at least I know now, like, what's going on, I just wasn't getting enough fuel, and it's it can be very difficult. Our lives are very busy and so, like, it's not easy to set yourself up for success with food, but I find Brad and I, I find, whenever we actually like batch cook the protein, we both are much better the whole week.Amber Romaniuk 30:18  Totally, 100% because it's the key foundational food that is keeping your blood sugar regulated, right? And you can't eat the raw protein. You have to cook it. So it's like, you can't just throw it in a bowl with some spices and some avocado, yeah, but it gets easier to build those habits over time, like food prep, right? It's all about muscle building, and it's a slow process, so be patient with your progress. It will shift, and then you get to have this much more aligned lifestyle habits and behaviors that are going to support you through perimenopause and menopause much easier if you're patient and you don't see it as a quick fix and you actually see it as a lifestyle changes.Lesley Logan 30:55  Yeah, okay. Can we talk about the quick fix, though? Because I think that that's like, easier said than done, and I feel like you are an expert in this, because you had to retrain yourself. How, how did you like retrain yourself to be patient for the results you were looking for? Amber Romaniuk 31:10  Yeah. Okay, good question. So, trial and error, right? Going back and forth and continuing to fail and remind myself, oh yeah, this quick fix stuff isn't working because I keep ending back in the same spot, a lot of affirmations and like subliminal, subconscious mind reprogramming, I think building a self-care practice where I started to see the value in slowing down, prioritizing my needs and bringing like, meditation and things where I had to, like, slow down and be still, helped me practice the feeling of patience in my body. And then as I started to feel better and experience the results, I'm like, oh yeah, patience. This is why I need to be patient. Because what we have to look back on is, if I've been struggling with these symptoms or these behaviors or fatigue or whatever it is for years or decades, I've got to understand that it's going to take more than a week, a month, like a few months, to fully shift this potentially, because it's years and decades of the ladder, right? So constant reminders, and then over time, it becomes more of your natural state of being. And yes, sometimes we get impatient. However, we have to remind ourselves there's so much value in allowing ourselves to be on the journey. There's lessons, there's growth, there's evolution as you are as a human, right, and a woman on this planet. And so I think it's just so important to understand like your healing journey is one of the most valuable journeys you can choose to go on, because it's going to help you grow and evolve in ways you can't imagine right now. And becoming in tune and learning how to listen to your body is the most powerful gift you can give yourself, because once you know how to listen, you know what you need, and you can have your team of people, in case there's something you can't figure out to get that assistance from, but you feel powerful and confident and you're unstoppable, and that allows you to live the most powerful, high quality of life and reach your goals and have better relationships and everything, because you feel empowered and you learn and you trust your body. And I just think that's priceless. Lesley Logan 33:01  So good. Amber, so good. Okay, well, I could talk to you forever, but we're gonna take a brief break and find out people can find you, follow you, work with you. Lesley Logan 33:11  Where do you like to hang out, Amber? Where can people connect with you? If this was like, speaking to them and they're like, yeah, this woman gets me, where can they go?Amber Romaniuk 33:18  Yeah. So you can go to the website, amberapproved.ca if you want to learn more about body freedom, take the free emotional eating quiz. If you're wondering if you're struggling, or if you want to book a 30 minute consultation, it's complimentary. We can connect and talk about whatever is going on for you, hormones, gut, emotional eating. I work with people all over the world, so it doesn't matter where you're located. And the podcast is called the No Sugarcoating Podcast. If you liked our conversation, you'll love over 500 episodes. And then I'm on social, YouTube and Instagram, and it's my name, Amber Romaniuk, R-O-M-A-N-I-U-K.Lesley Logan 33:48  Wonderful. You've actually given us a ton already. So thank you for that. But you know, for our peeps who are like, I'm obsessed, but okay, where do I start first? Or what should I do next? Or what should I be thinking about? The bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Amber Romaniuk 34:04  Yeah, I think the first thing is, what symptoms are you experiencing right now? Put it in a piece of paper, and on a scale of one to 10, if you have low energy, 10 being I have good energy, one's really bad, where are you rating yourself? Start being aware of the intensity of your symptoms, because that's going to allow you to go, oh, maybe because I have fatigue, I need to really emphasize that to my doctor, or whomever I'm going to reach out to like when you know your symptoms and you can communicate that it is going to help you get the answers and the support to resolve those things. Second, build a self-care routine. I know we're all busy, but if you've got time to be on scrolling on your phone, watching TV, you've got time to build a self-care practice. Start with five to 10 minutes, a few days a week, even if it's just sitting or slowing down and practicing the art of doing nothing, because in order to balance your hormones, you've got to slow down and regulate your nervous system. I think the last thing is, be patient and compassionate with yourself. Try to build a friendship with your body. She's not working against you. She's trying to help you, but we just haven't been taught how to work with our bodies.Lesley Logan 35:05  So good, so good. Amber, thank you so much. Thank you, I learned, I got so inspired. I also got reminded of so many things. I learned so many things. I'm super excited about this. I know our listeners are going to have to share this with several of their friends. So thank you for being here and sharing your amazingness with us. You guys, how are you guys. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag Amber. Tag he Be It Pod, send this to a girlfriend who needs it, one who's been tired a long time and or going, I've got to do this. I'm going to do this. And you just feel them doing a lot and not listening to their bodies enough. This might be the message they need to hear. So until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 35:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 36:21  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 36:26  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 36:31  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 36:38  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 36:41  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome Natties to episode 104 “Sho'nuff”. We welcome back on returning guest the hilarious and amazing comedian Big Irish Jay! Join us as we dive into movie talk including The Last Dragon, Sweet Derek gets Uncle Kyle a secret gift, our Fantasy Football league, the city with the worst sports fans and so much more! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for? Thanks Natties for all your support and being here all the way to our 100th!!!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!SocialsBig Irish Jay: @bigirishjayUncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

Lesley Logan shines a light on the power of celebrating your wins, because too often we forget how far we've come. From the overlooked genius of Mileva Marić to a listener's business breakthroughs, Lesley reminds us why recognition matters. She also shares her own wins around new episode series and rebranding the podcast, closing with an empowering affirmation to help you tell the truth about who you are and what you need.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why it's essential to honor overlooked women like Mileva Marić and their contributions.Jeanne Cho's inspiring wins in business growth, personal joy, and valuing her time.The importance of using your support systems and celebrating when you take action.Lesley's upcoming new series on habits, burnout prevention, and boundaries.Embracing change with confidence as the podcast evolves in year four.Episode References/Links:She Cost A Riot by Hannah Jewell - https://a.co/d/arMEv4nSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClassesEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday.Lesley Logan 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:44  Hey, Be It babe. How are you? We are here. September is one of those months I feel like flies by. I know it's not as short as February, but, like, you know, it just kind of feels short. Anyways, it's already September 12th, and this is your Fuck Yeah Friday episode. This episode where we get to, like, have a little bit more of a potpourri episode. Potpourri is a category in jeopardy that I never understood why it was called potpourri, because my mother loved potpourri. She'd make like her own potpourri. And I'm like, none of these questions or answers are about the roses, like, rose petals, like, I don't understand. Then I realized, like, it's just, like, you just put a bunch of stuff together and, like, it could be anything, and then it's potpourri. So anyways, first we start off with something that's inspiring. We should talk about. I would love for us to talk about. You can hit me up on the pod Instagram to talk about it. Share. You can DM us. You can set it to beitpod.com/questions. Ask questions about it. You can share your wins at beitpod.com/questions I know it's weird. We're thinking quest wins, but like, who can spell that? So it's questions, but you can put a win or a question there. We answer your questions on Thursday during the recap. And our, we share your wins on a Friday, because sometimes you need to hear your own win later on and go, oh, my god, I did that. Right? Like, have you ever had to listen to your own bio read. So it's one of those things, when I do a podcast, and after I've done recording this, I'm on someone's own podcast, sometimes they record that part without me there, and sometimes they record that part with me there. When they record that part with me there, I'm like, oh my god, I did that. Oh, I did do that. Oh, I did that in that amount of time. Holy freaking molly. It's so easy for us to forget the things that we did. That's why we have to celebrate them. All right. I also realized that I talk really fast. I do realize this, and I have people who tell me they do not speed up my podcast, and that's fine. You don't have to. You can also slow it down. Did you know that? Lesley Logan 2:20  Okay, so this inspired me. Scholars believe that Albert Einstein was on the autism spectrum, but no one talks about his wife. And I hope I say this right, Mileva Marić, Mileva Marić. Anyways, historians speculated that she may have contributed to his theories, but she received no credit for her work. I think we don't have to speculate. I'm pretty sure that's probably true. Einstein was called a genius. He went on to win the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics and became a global icon of science. Mileva excelled in theoretical physics. In some classes, she reportedly scored even higher than Einstein. Despite strong academic performance, she was the only woman in her class, and faced intense gender bias from her male professors. But in the early 1900s women had limited rights. Women couldn't vote in most countries, couldn't publish under their own names, and were not taken seriously in academics, Einstein and Mileva, I hope I say her name right because that would be such a shame, exchanged letters discussing physics, mathematics and joint ideas. In the letters, Einstein even referred to our work on relative motion and our papers. So why was only his name on the papers? Einstein's most groundbreaking work was published only while he was still with Mileva before their separation. This included special relativity, so E equals MC squared and the photoelectric effect, all published during their time and together in the 1905, his miracle year after their divorce, Einstein offered Mileva his future Nobel Prize money. Some believe it was compensation for uncredited contributions to his work. Probably was. After their separation, 1914, Einstein never produced theories of the same revolutionary impact. Hmm, evidence, I think so. So how much of his genius was actually Mileva's uncredited contributions? A comprehensive review of 308 studies from 1914 to 2011 involving over 1.1 million students from 30 countries, found that girls consistently outperformed boys in all subjects, including math and science. That is from Time magazine. Mileva and Einstein's story, leave us with a question, how many brilliant women throughout history weren't raised simply because they had fewer rights and no voice? So there's a great book called She Cost a Riot, which I really love, and I would love to get that author on the show. And there's a couple other scientists who, like in Europe, who got a bit more credit, but didn't get paid. Like, literally, could teach the stuff, but they couldn't get paid. And so, you know, there's also, I think we talked about this on the on the pod before, but like, how Socrates is, teacher was a woman. And the truth is, is that people have wanted to erase what women were doing so that women could be held back. And I'm not, I don't think we have to go women are better than men. That's not the argument I'm trying to have here. It's that women deserve the same credit that a man would get for the work that they're doing. Period. End of story. It's not about taking, it's about like, it like just having the opportunity to have the equal credit and reward and achievements that other people would get. So I'm glad we have all these theories, and if they work together, that is really cool. And I'm not saying he is the reason why, you know, like, she didn't get the credit. It is with society. But I just think that, like, there's some, there's some research we can do, there's some, there's more. There's more to this story. There's more to a lot of stories. And you know, I think hopefully as we all get older, we will hear more about these amazing women and what they did, and I hope that we can celebrate them, and maybe the kids from today can hear about her and other things out there. So anyways, that's just me. That's just me. This is my hope. Lesley Logan 6:00  Okay, so let's share a win of yours so you can send your wins in, like I said, to beitpod.com/questions and the win we're going to share today is from Jeanne Cho. Did all the things to make a website, and it will be done by this weekend, finally. Thanks, Brad, for the web course. Received a request for a local paid event, the second contract this month. So excited to see what will come once I'm actually online. Found out Craft Work is in town this weekend, so looking forward to experiencing a legendary performance, often hesitate in taking personal time away from my daughter and being selfish. So, so proud to be selfish in digging up old Pilates footage for the website found on an Equinox. Price, Pilates price brochure from 2016 noticing my current session rate is what they were charging a decade ago, but relieved that at least I'm earning their old drop-in rate. So, this is beautiful Jeanne. So many wins in here. First of all, and this is for everyone, doing things that fill your cup is never selfish. I know that, like, when you're a mom, your time might be limited with your children, and they grow up so fast. But also, like, it's so important that they see that you go out and do things that are fun, that you have hobbies, that you have things that that bring you joy. And they will recognize when they're older, like, oh, wow, she did that, and she was, like, a happier person because of it. So love that. Love that for you. Also, you know, I love that, that old Equinox Pilates rate price card, because, like, I remember when I worked at Equinox and I charged exactly what they charged. So I was like, well, if over here that someone, a company, is taking that rate for my teaching, why, I certainly can charge the same amount where I'm teaching for myself. And that also just kind of meant, like, I didn't have to have those conversations with people, like, I'm cheaper over here, but more expensive here. Like, no, it's the same rate. But like, it does take sometimes a pep talk right, to remind yourself, like, oh, people are charging this. Now, obviously different places are different, but like, way to go. You, you made it, you got yourself there, and you're earning the rate that you want to earn, and you got yourself your website, and you use your support systems, like, that's another thing I want to highlight. Like everyone, it is a win that was worth celebrating when you use your support systems. A lot of times, we buy these things, we pay for things, and then we don't use them. And because, like, I don't know, we're scared, we're worried, we're afraid. And the truth is, or like, who knows? Actually, maybe good things will happen, right? Is that what you're afraid of? So when you have resources, it is a win. When you're like, you recognize you have them and you use them, you take the action. So, way to go, Jeanne, thank you for sharing with us, because that way it helps us figure out how, my god, we have so many more wins we could celebrate, right? Lesley Logan 8:40  Okay, so, you guys, I am going to share this with you guys right now because it's going to be soon, but I am really excited we've had so we've had hundreds of episodes, like, like, so many episodes. I don't even know where we're at this point, because I'm recording this a little early, but I was a little afraid to like, years ago, to, like, rock the boat of, like, how the system of the pod goes because, like, what's if it's not broken like, why fix it? But I've decided I want to do a few different series on this pod for you guys. So like, a habit series and a preventative burnout series, and make a self-love or boundaries series. And so anyways, I'm letting you know now that, like, I, I'm calling it a win that I am recording these series for you because, like, I'm really fucking confident in, like, what we've done here for you guys. We get really great interviews, we have really great guests. We have a lot of fun doing this. Our producers are amazing. And I know that the a different type of series will be beneficial for you guys, and I hope that it is. And if they're, if they're, if you do like them, I do want you to tell me what other series we should do on the show, because it will help us direct, like which guests we bring on and like what topics we bring up. But you know, being it till you see it requires us to also, like, take a different chance, try something different, like, try something different than we've done before. So anyways, I'm really, really excited about that. Lesley Logan 10:03  I'm also excited that here we are in our fourth year. I celebrated four years this past summer, and you know, we were, Brad and I are like, we want to change the music. We want to update the like, all the different things. So you're going to see a little bit of a refresh and a rebrand around here. And it's not because the pod is changing in a way that you won't recognize it. It's just becoming more of what it was supposed to be. The pod itself has been being it till it sees it. And I'm just like, I'm calling that a win. And so thank you for being on this journey. Thank you for supporting us. Thank you for sharing episodes, thank you for sending your wins in and your questions in. Lesley Logan 10:40  And now for your affirmation to take with you into your fabulous weekend. Are you ready? I tell the truth about who I am and what I need from others. I tell the truth about who I am and what I need from others. I tell the truth about who I am and what I need from others. Yeah, you do. You're amazing. Now go Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 11:01  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 11:44  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 11:49  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 11:53  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 12:00  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 12:04  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Brad and Lesley recap her conversation with franchise expert Jon Ostenson, unpacking how non-food franchising helps risk-averse entrepreneurs own a business without reinventing the wheel. They highlight funding paths, corporate support, and why following the playbook matters. You will hear practical ways to start while keeping your day job and how Jon's services are paid by franchisors, not you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:When to treat Reformer footwork differently from leg press.How franchise ownership works even if you keep your day job.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Common mistakes franchisees make when they don't follow the playbook.The mindset shifts around seeing $50K as possible, not impossible.Episode References/Links:Indivisible Movement - https://indivisible.orgBook: She Caused A Riot by Hannah Jewell - https://a.co/d/cGhs5UYP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comWinter Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/eventsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsEp. 544 Matthew Lesko - https://beitpod.com/matthewleskoBook: Non-Food Franchising by Jon Ostenson - https://a.co/d/29XayrQ If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  His services to you are free. How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do. Then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing.Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the supporting convo I had with Jon Ostenson in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us, or listen to this one, and then you can decide if you want to listen that one. I think it's great. Jon has a book. It's really wonderful. It's a very niche topic. It's a nerdy topic. It's one I wanted to have because I don't think entrepreneurs, I'm like, making your own idea is for everybody, but I do think everybody deserves to have the wealth and agency that they want to have in this world and make what they want to make. So I'm excited about it. Brad Crowell 1:30  Well, I thought I really liked, I really liked the conversation. I was very I mean, especially for me, because I am very entrepreneurial, but I appreciated the back and forth. So, yeah, I, I think that it was very revealing. Lesley Logan 1:51  Are you saying it was a great interview? Did I do a good job? Brad Crowell 1:51  I'm saying it was a great interview. Not only that, but I think the information that he's sharing is shocking. He's super smart dude, and I thought, I thought it was very revealing for someone who might be hoping, wishing they could own a business. This was very empowering, because it, it created hope I think. So, yeah, great. Lesley Logan 2:17  I well, you'll, you guys, stay tuned. You'll hear what we're talking about in a second. Today is September 11th, 2025 and it's Patriot Day, which gives us all time to reflect on the devastating terror attacks that took 3000 lives. We commemorate those who we lost, and give thanks to the brave responders who put their lives on the line. Take a moment today to consider what we stand for as a nation, how we can work together to make the world a better place for all. It's a hard day. Brad Crowell 2:39  Yeah, I mean.Lesley Logan 2:40  Especially with 20, with 25 years to reflect on what fucking lies we're told afterwards, and then how we treat the first responders and how fucking hard it was to get their medical bills paid because they're dying from cancer right now. Like.Brad Crowell 2:56  Yeah, it's like, it's like a story that keeps repeating itself where something devastating happens that is wrong and tragic. People die and then motherfuckers in office take advantage of the public's emotional state, and they use it to go do some wrong shit. Lesley Logan 3:18  Go, so seriously, go watch the movie Vice. I happen to be really lucky to be teaching Christian Bale's wife at the time that he was filming that. And so it was a really interesting time, because, like, he was becoming Dick Cheney, which, like, it is a, I mean, of course, he won an, I think he won a bunch of awards for that. And he literally thanked Satan for the inspiration. Brad Crowell 3:41  Yes, he did. Lesley Logan 3:37  And I remember, I remember my client. I remember my client was, my client was just like, I fucking told him not to do that, or something like that. And so anyways, but go watch it, because it, while it's not historical, it is pretty fucking accurate about like, how rich Cheney and these bitches got after doing what they did and using, using the heartbreak, and what people fought with patriotism to go make these fucking wars, and then we did a bunch of bullshit, and then we ruined places. And it just pisses me off, because. Brad Crowell 4:04  Over, over, lies. Lesley Logan 4:09  Lies and so. And also, if you don't believe in September 11th being what it was like, I don't know why you're here, but like, I, I just really.Brad Crowell 4:18  Well, it was, I mean, it was a terrorist attack, no question. But what we did after it, how the public was manipulated, to then go to war for 20 years after, based on literal lies, you know.Lesley Logan 4:30  Yeah, it's, I it's hard because, like, okay, reflecting on what we consider as a nation today, I think, as an I think the people running our nation today reflect something I would never want to be a patriot of.Brad Crowell 4:42  Yeah, and that that's, that's the thing that really frustrates me as a person who, when you read the definition of patriot, I want to be that. That is absolutely, I mean, I consider myself a patriot. But also there's this, there's this frustrating association with angry white men, usually, who don't give a shit about people. And there's so much fear of others associated with it. And there's this ego that's associated with it that.Lesley Logan 5:17  It's, it's so it's so fragile. What they're like, they're thinking is so they are. They're such fragile people. Because they're just like, they're the way that they think, that they're showing strength. And we're like, protesting, they're like, like, making sure that we see the middle finger, and like, just like, and it's like, I have never driven in my entire life, of driving past something, we're talking about this with the protest where I disagree. Brad Crowell 5:39  We used to live by protests all the time, where we lived in L.A., we're literally next to the federal building, so it was like, every weekend, forever.Lesley Logan 5:45  Every weekend, it was like, who's protesting today? And like, there were times I was like, oh, I wonder why. It made me get curious as to, like, what is going on here. It was very fascinating. And it was like, what the fuck like, but I never was like, here's my middle finger to you. It's like, just, you know, move along. Move right along. The fact that you have to make sure I see your face in your lifted stupid truck while you flip me off, it makes you and that makes you feel good. You're like, yeah, I did it to them. I did it like, we were in Idaho, and there was a big ass sign in this guy's house. I was walking by the lake, and it was like, make liberals cry again, and it's like, oh, you think I'm crying. I'm pissed off. Like the tears of the tears are of what we are losing, of course, but like, no, I'm pissed off. James Baldwin, I want to, I want to make sure everyone hears this quote, because I think it's really beautiful, and I think it's this is what being a patriot is. I love America more than any other country in the world, and exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. And I think that, like, this country has so many shortcomings, and no country is perfect. Like, I was listening to Sophia Bush on a podcast recently, and she's like, like, I'm not gonna move because, like, I love this place. I'm gonna fight for her. And so, like, if you moved and whatever, like, I have no judgments for that, but if you're here, like, you have to fight, because we're losing rights. We're losing rights. And it really pisses me off, because in the time of my mother being an adult and married woman, she could not get a credit card until, like, the 80s, right? Like, like, I if you're listening to this and you're just like, la, la, la, I just want to hear about how to be till I see it. Ladies, you are going to lose your ability to have your own bank account. You're gonna lose your ability to have your own vote. And if you think it's not going to happen because, oh, it's not going to happen. It's they want it to happen. And the right people are in power. And I'm tired of being told that Project 2025 is bullshit. It is happening right now. Lesley Logan 5:46  They're more than 50% of the way through completing Project 2025.Lesley Logan 5:48  In the time we're recording this, seven months. Brad Crowell 7:40  Yeah, seven months. And, I mean, you know, if you go through and you actually read the things that are in that platform, they they do want to make single family voting, which is literally taking away the white the rights of women, because they would consider the man the head of the household. Lesley Logan 8:02  And if you think, oh, I'm not married yeah your brother get to vote for you. I don't have a brother, your uncle get to vote for you. Like they will find a man if and when this type of life existed, they would find someone in the government to become your vote. You don't get there's no getting out of this. You don't get one.Brad Crowell 8:17  Yeah, and, and, and the people in power are Tweeting about that stuff, literally right now, right like they're they're putting it out there. They're trying to normalize the idea so that when they go and try to do it, it doesn't seem like it's as big of a deal as it actually fucking is. Lesley Logan 8:32  So you know what I think patriotism is right now, babe, it is, find a protest. I know you're busy. I know you have fucked tons, going on. We are, too. Find one. Go for an hour. Go yell. Go meet friends. Go meet people who are different than you. It's, these protests people, some people are fighting for their their gay marriages to still exist. Some people are fighting further to not be war. Some people are fighting for God. Some people are fighting to like for the Epstein list. I don't care what gets you out there, but like you think that this, that what they're gonna do is not gonna affect your life, it is. It is. Brad Crowell 8:55  Yeah, go, go check out individual, indivisible.org, for a local, you know, event, or how you can get involved near you. So, you know, we're gonna move on, and we're gonna actually. Lesley Logan 9:11  Well, people like this, Brad, we've been told, hi, Vicky.Brad Crowell 9:14  I think it's so important y'all and and it's like this, I know that we this isn't a podcast about politics, but it is. Lesley Logan 9:22  But also, but also. Brad Crowell 9:23  Being it until you see it is a pod, it is about like politics, and it is a part of every single element of our life, even if you have the perfect life, quote, unquote, it's because of politics that you are able to live the way that you live. And what's happening right now is such fast, dramatic change in our countries. Like, historically, there's so much change happening so quickly there, that when we wake up, you know, in even six months from now, it's going to be like, there we are at the brink of things. Lesley Logan 9:53  I don't even know how we're going to make it to the midterms. That's my fear. That's my fear, and I put it out right now, but I will just say, even if you're like, less. I just want a homestead. I want to be like tradwife. The fact that you get to choose that is because of politics. So that is fine if that's what you want to choose to do. But do not think that everybody wants to do that and that that should be the choice for everybody. So I think that like that is why we have to get involved. And if you are a woman, you are political. Your existence in any room is political has been and if you really want to get fired up, go read the book, She Caused A Riot. Go look at history. Like fucking Socrates, his teacher was a woman. Did you know that? The reason you don't know that is because politics, they didn't want you to know that there was leaders in this world.Brad Crowell 10:39  Politics and religion. Lesley Logan 10:39  Fuck that. Anyways. Brad Crowell 10:39  Frustrating. Lesley Logan 10:39  I'm pissed off, but we're currently in the U.K. We're in the U.K. and then when we get home, well, we're home for a couple of weeks, and we gotta see my best friends and come visit, and then we're gonna go to Chicagoland for Pilates On Tour with Balanced Body. I'm doing the Joe's Gyms there. That's in Burr Ridge. If there's any spots left, you should snag one, because it's super, super fun, and we have a huge party coming with all of our agency eLevate OPC members, then we're gonna be in Cambodia. That's also in October. You can still join like you can join last minute. Guess what? Flight planes will sell a seat as long as there is one. So you can get the fuck out of town and retreat a little bit and be in a different world and get some empathy for what it's like to live in different places.Brad Crowell 11:21  Yeah, and experience a different culture and see that not everybody.Lesley Logan 11:24  If you are worried. Sorry, I cut you off. If you're worried about being an American in a different country, let me tell you, they see what's happening right now, and they are, in Cambodia, they are sad for us. They are scared for us. They know that they know where we're headed, and they're sad for us.Brad Crowell 11:25  Yeah, I was just gonna say with our experience recently about trying to cross borders and getting stuck and turned around and not being able to, it wasn't the it wasn't the attendees of the events that we were not able to attend who were angry with us. It was the border guard who was, you know, unfortunately, misinformed and, you know, and angry. And he's angry because the border guards of our country were turning away people for no reason. So he could just, that's the only power he had, was to turn away, you know, Americans for no reason. And we just kind of got caught up in that. So there's a lot of, there is a lot of frustration, but it's not from the people, right, in this country, it's like, you know? So, so I would say, you know, yeah, it did feel a little bit stressful to you know, as we were approaching, once we got there and started talking to them, it became clear that that there was just silly reasons being turned away but, but even in that, like the you know, the guy wasn't like, he wasn't an asshole about it. So, but I it was really frustrating. If you're worried about something like that, when you come to a place like Cambodia, you apply for your visa ahead of time. You will know before you arrive if they're going to turn you around, because you'll have the right paperwork.Lesley Logan 13:06  And also you're we're all going as tourists. The Canadian thing, we were going into work. Brad Crowell 13:11  That's true. Lesley Logan 13:11  And that was it, we'll have to do a whole episode on it, because it's a longer, longer conversation. That being said, you go to. Brad Crowell 13:18  But as a tourist, they want a tourist. They want that because. Lesley Logan 13:21  That's how they're that's literally how their country survives. Brad Crowell 13:24  Yep, it's how well, it's how the city that we're going to, that's how the economy there survives, from tourism. So, you know, and they are very aware of that, so. Lesley Logan 13:32  Yes, they want us there. They're so welcoming, they're so kind, and you can see what it's like to be living in a different part of this world. I think that's so important. I think one of the biggest reasons why people in this, in the U.S., are so fucking scared of people of a different color is because they've never, they've never gone and seen how they live. Yeah, you know, go get worldly. You will have more empathy, crowsnestretreats.com. After we leave Cambodia, we're going to be in Singapore. We're going to teach at a beautiful studio there, and then we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens. And then we're home. We're home for the whole month of November. Oh my God, no, Brad, I'm not going camping anywhere. We're home for the whole month of November. Brad Crowell 14:10  But my parents are coming. We're gonna go camp. Lesley Logan 14:12  No, we're, that is not why they're coming to visit us. Help make an, help you with the roof or something. And then October, we're gonna be on our winter tour. And if you want to make sure you hear about that first, go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events, because our people on our waitlist will get the access to the tickets first. And the winter tour does have cities that sell out in 24 hours. Okay, we have to get to our interview, but we do have an audience question. So Brad, go for it.Brad Crowell 14:37  Yes. Okay. DMK asks on Instagram, hey Lesley, my footwork question is this, what cue or cues do you like to use during footwork? I'm sorry, if footwork students, very confused. They made a mistake on the word here.Lesley Logan 14:42  What cues do you like to use, if during footwork, students are using it like a leg press? Brad Crowell 14:56  Oh, sorry. Okay. Lesley Logan 14:57  Yeah, thank you. Brad Crowell 14:59  Well, I just read that wrong. That's all.Lesley Logan 15:00  It's okay, it's all good. So.Brad Crowell 15:04  First off, we're clearly talking about. Lesley Logan 15:06  Footwork on the Reformer. Yeah. DMK, this, I hate cues.Brad Crowell 15:13  Well, hold on, let's explain what the problem is. What is the problem that she's experiencing with her class? Lesley Logan 15:17  The problem that she's probably seen is they're, they're, they're pushing out and in, like, it's a leg press machine, like, it's like a leg machine, and they're making it only a leg exercise versus a full body exercise, right? And then the other thing is that they're not using all the muscles of their legs, because they're just, like, shoving their knees straight. And they're probably pausing at the top, which is what you do on a leg press machine. And then kind of, hopefully, on a leg press machine, you're resisting. But a lot of people just kind of, like, close the the weights, or just like, kind of float in or ride the springs in. So here's the deal, DMK, my teacher, Jay Grimes, and the teachers I studied with him, talked a lot about how Joe didn't really correct during footwork. You use footwork to tell you what's kind of going on in the person's body. So I also happen to like three or four springs on for footwork. So some people think that, like heavy springs means they're gonna use it like a leg press machine, but ideally you want those heavy springs to warm the body up. Two lightest springs can actually affect someone's lower back, if they have a tight lower back, or they're not getting the connection, and the warm up for what's to come. So I do like three to four springs. That being said, what you can do for those people who want to make it a leg press machine, take all the springs off, go down to one light spring and see what happens. They're going to fly off. And you're like, yeah, you actually have to push into the foot bar the whole time, even as you come in. So I love a one spring, because it kind of helps teach the actual movement, and then load the springs up. If you take my fast workshop, I think you can get it on our OPC website. You'll see how I explain how to use especially with arches and heels to do that. The other thing I would say is ask them, if they are opening the front of the hips or opening the back of the knees. What is their intention? Meaning, the, when you focus on opening the knee joint, you're a leg press machine. When you focus on opening the front of the hips, you're making this move from your center. I am looking, I actually don't care people's knees go straight. I'm looking at, can they move their thigh away from their center and open the front of their hips and then pull that back in. So I'm kind of looking at that, but if they don't do those things, the footwork is just really telling me how they're actually moving. And I have to pick other exercises to assist. So other ways to help them understand that's not like press machine would be doing leg springs. Single leg springs, both leg springs, footwork on the Tower is gonna be really helpful, because that's a whole different plane. And so like, find different exercises that get your point across. Ask them what they're feeling and then take them back to the Reformer and say, find that feeling here.Lesley Logan 17:39  Great. Love it. That's the best cue you could do. Lesley Logan 17:50  There you go. Brad Crowell 17:50  I love it. Great question, DMK. Lesley Logan 17:52  Thanks, DMK. Brad Crowell 17:52  If you have a question, just text us. 310-905-5534, 310-905-5534 or you can actually send your question in through, beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 18:07  That's where you can also send your wins in, too. I want your wins, people. Brad Crowell 18:14  We want your wins. Let's do it. All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're actually going to talk about Jon Ostenson next. Lesley Logan 18:20  Finally. Brad Crowell 18:22  All right, let's talk about Jon Ostenson. An expert in franchising and based out of Atlanta, Georgia, Jon Ostenson left his W2 job eight years ago, after years in the corporate world, to become president of Shelf Genie, a large franchise system where he says he fell in love with the franchise model, which he explained amazingly and in detail during the interview. So if you didn't get a chance to listen to that, I would, I would very much encourage you to go listen to it. It was super informative. He is, Jon, is now the founder of FranBridge Consulting and author of the bestselling book, Non-Food Franchising, which, Lesley, I know you read, I've seen it on our table out there. Jon helps clients find suitable franchise opportunities from over 600 different brands outside of the fast food industry. His mission is to guide individuals who want to own a business but may feel risk-averse or lack a, quote unquote, genius idea connecting with them with proven scalable franchise model, and here's the, models, and here's the crazy thing, this is where I was like, oh my God, this guy's brilliant, his services to you are free. How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Yeah, pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing. So.Lesley Logan 19:44  I love it. I love it so much because it's, like, it's completely risk-averse for you, like, and the reason I thought this, I really wanted to dig in with this guy, because I don't even understand how you get into a franchise, and. Brad Crowell 19:58  Well, it makes me want to get into franchises. Lesley Logan 20:00  I know. And we just met someone who's like, all he does is all these different franchises and and so I just like it because, like, first of all, we talked a lot about how you could, like, work and have a franchise. Like, it's like, there's like, there's all these different ways you can do it. So, anyways.Brad Crowell 20:16  Yeah, he said a lot of franchisors, the people on the franchise, still might have a day job, because. Lesley Logan 20:21  Yeah. Aren't they a franchisee? Brad Crowell 20:24  Oh, sorry, franchisee. You're, you're right. The franchisor is the parent company. The franchisee is the person who's, who's like, purchase one of the locations or whatever. So the franchisee as if you could still be working your normal life and have a franchise, obviously, then it's about the team that you put in place to make sure that they can run it without you having to be there. But, but this guy was talking about having franchises all over the country, so he's clearly not in them operating them. Lesley Logan 20:51  Yeah. But also. No. And so you can be an owner-operator. He has, he, like, his book has got a lot of this stuff in it, if you want to, like, dig in even more and then chat with him, but like, here's what I. Brad Crowell 20:51  And by the way, we're not just talking about Pilates franchises. Lesley Logan 21:02  No, he is, like, there's so many, there's some out there. And also, like, I personally, I personally don't want to grab someone else's Pilates franchises, because, the way I like to teach, I probably would want to make my own, but maybe I want to get one that's in the like, maybe that's like a red light sauna space or something that goes along with what I do, that's like in the thing that I am interested in, in life, like I'm already. Brad Crowell 21:23  Or salt path, float, float, yeah, floating, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:27  By the way, there is a float place that I'm sure, is a franchise in Nashville that I'm like, how the fuck do we get it out here in our neighborhood? Because I'm tired of driving 30 minutes to go fucking float, I'm pissed off by the time I get back. Anyways, we just need, I don't know, a few thousands of dollars, and then we can do it, babe. I think, here's where our next adventure is. Brad Crowell 21:45  (inaudible) crazy is you said that, like, a lot of people, will start a franchise with maybe, you know, $50,000 to $100,000 down, and the rest of it is actually from a an SBA loan, because the SBA and the banks believe in the franchise model so much that they are willing to effectively front the rest of the startup capital. And I was like, wow, I never thought about that. That's amazing. Because, and like, you know, $50,000 is still a shitload of money. I understand that. But it also isn't a million dollars, right? Lesley Logan 22:18  And also, like, anyone who wants to start to make legitimate money, you have to stop thinking that $50,000 is a lot of money, start thinking it's possible, that you can get it, that there's a way, because I remember thinking that, oh, my God, it's so much money. And let me tell you the long as you think 50,000 is so much money you're gonna have, it's gonna feel so far away when you start to think like, of course I still have to find $50,000 you, go listen to that podcast we have with the guy with the question marks, I forget his name, anyways, go and find it, but let's just talk about things I loved that he said. Okay, let me get into my notes. He said, you're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And I love this, because so many of the people I meet, they're like, so lucky that you and Brad, like, are married and like, you work together. And our biggest response is, like, not everyone should do what we do. So if you want to be in business for yourself, but not by yourself, instead of working with your partner, why don't you get a partner? And it can be a franchise like, I think that's really cool.Brad Crowell 23:09  And different franchisors offer different support, and that's one of the conversations that that you could have with a person like Jon, where you might be like, hey, I am innately a marketer, but I'm terrible at operations, right? Then he, he might say, okay, well, this franchise, you know, whatever, they can help. Or, or conversely, I hate marketing. I'm really, that's not my jam. I need a franchise that will create the content for me that I can just use to put out there. So they're different, like, corporate offices will do different things for the business to support the franchisee and but, but, but as a as a layman, how am I supposed to know? But Jon gets to see hundreds of franchises. Lesley Logan 23:53  I think that's what's so cool. Is like, if you know your strengths, then you can talk to Jon and figure out, like, what are the different franchises that I'm interested in that are, like, in an area I want to be in, and then, okay, of those, which one matches my strengths and my weaknesses? Because you don't want to have something that's like, great at marketing and you're great at marketing, but like, has the systems are not there for the operations, like things like that, but also the franchiser does a lot for you. And remember, it's a proven business model, so like, it's already figured like, it's already thrown ideas at the wall, figured out what works, and then you just get to rinse and repeat that. And I really, I really like that for people who want to create their own schedule, create their own impact, be part of the community, but are risk-averse, you know? And by the way, I get it, we just.Lesley Logan 24:39  I'm risk-averse, too. Lesley Logan 24:39  Oh my god, you really are. Brad Crowell 24:41  But in a measurable way. But it's like, I wouldn't want to go, just go throw money away and hope, hope that something works. Imagine being able to follow a systematic approach where they figured out all the kinks in the business. Like, like the business that Lesley and I run that we've created, it has taken us a lot longer to get to where we are today. It's literally 10 years now, 10 years of running this business, yeah, 10 years of trying to figure things out, making mistakes, doing all this stuff, when with a franchise model, there are so many less mistakes to make, because hypothetically, they've already made the mistakes for you and figured it out and put together the playbook that you can simply follow the plan, the process, right? I really loved when he talked about business ownership is really hard. It takes a lot of work. And, yeah, that's that's very true, too. And he said, if it was easy, everyone would be a business owner, and what he what so, so, of all the pros that we've been talking about with a franchise model, it still does take a lot of work, and it's it takes focus and and the biggest thing he mentioned was the people who fail don't follow the plan, right? And Jon goes, calls up the franchise corporate office and goes, yo, what happened here? What's going on? And the franchisor said, you know, would say to Jon, well, look, we did everything we could to support this person, but they didn't listen. They just didn't fucking listen, you know. And that doesn't mean that, like, there won't still be challenges, because every single location is different, every market is different, every opportunity. And what I mean that, I mean different franchise model is different, you know. So it still will take work, but you don't have to do it alone, you know. And that that's amazing, you know. So, so anyway, he doesn't sugarcoat franchises but he said it's a lot easier and a lot more predictable. Lesley Logan 26:40  His book, actually, like, talks about, like, like, kind of like, if it's for you, you know, and this is where like, it, for us to follow the rules, right, with you, you have to know, okay, we're gonna do this thing with this company. We're gonna follow their rules, which means I'm gonna hire someone to go follow their rules, because I am unemployable, so I will probably fuck him up, but you have to know that about yourself, you know. Such a cool dude. He also was like, because I told him I have an idea, I still have an idea that I might want to, like happen and make, and franchise and he's like, just give me a call. Run it by me. And I'm like, amazing. I just love how generous people can be. Brad Crowell 27:18  Yeah, yeah. Well, stick around, we're going to talk about how generous Jon is with his Be It Action Items, in just a minute. Brad Crowell 27:25  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jon Ostenson? He said he really encourages people who are interested in franchising or the concept of franchising, to just simply explore, that there's no downside, there's no cost to learn about how it works, what it is, is it even plausible for me? Is this something that I could do while still doing my life? He said it's super free to work with them, which we already talked about at the very beginning of this convo here. FranBridge consulting, his company helps clients navigate and find top available opportunities among over 600 different non-food franchise brands and. Lesley Logan 28:08  We love that. I do not want to deal with food. Brad Crowell 28:10  Well, he's he's not, he's not opposed to food, but it also, apparently, just adds a whole lot more variables in there. Lesley Logan 28:16  I used to work at a coffee shop, and it was small business-owned, and I'm going to tell you right now, it is,.Brad Crowell 28:21  Well, that's different than a franchise, because a franchise is a system, so small business-owned might make things just complicated because they're making shit up.Lesley Logan 28:28  Food, food, there's, like, the things you have to do to prevent rats.Brad Crowell 28:32  Right, there's just a lot more variables when it comes to food. There's also a lot of more licensing and a lot more, like red tape with like, local state government stuff, you know. So anyway, he explained that what I already mentioned is that, how does he get paid? He gets paid by the franchise business, the corporate, right? He, you're not necessarily paying him directly. So, I mean, it seems like an absolute win-win.Lesley Logan 28:57  Just worth having the conversation like there's no, there's no harm in it, you know. Brad Crowell 29:00  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 29:01  So I love that he said, activity breeds activity. Yes. It's like a body in motion, stays in motion. Yesterday, we just got into town, you know, at midnight on Friday night. I guess it's Saturday morning. Anyways, our friend, my she saw me at the gym, and she's like, you're like, the most consistent creature. And I'm like, I don't if I was to not be consistent, like, like, if I used travel as an excuse, I would never be consistent. So activity breeds activity. A body motion stays in motion. Explain, it's the idea he saw play out in his career and life, that whenever he gets off the sidelines he starts moving to Option A or B. That's that, then that's when option C comes out of left field. He says, good things happen when you're in motion. And it's so true. Like, it's so true. You know, even we got sidelined with the fucking Canada thing, we pivoted and kept going. And, like, because we did that, other things happened, that the dominoes kept going. And like, these other opportunities came around. And I think, like. Brad Crowell 29:53  Yeah, we met a whole studio we never would have met. Lesley Logan 29:55  We totally did. Could be a pop-up someday. But at any rate, like, you know, you, you'd be surprised what happens. Too often, we get we get sidelined, and we're like, I'm gonna sit over here. Keep going, take another step. And if you hear, as you hear in the podcast, it says action is the antidote to fear. So anyways, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:16  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:17  Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We love your reviews. Leave us more reviews. I want more reviews. It's my love language. 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Lesley Logan sits down with Jon Ostenson, author of Non-Food Franchising and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, to explore why franchising—especially beyond the food industry—is one of the most underutilized yet powerful paths to entrepreneurship. Jon shares how franchising gives you proven systems, built-in marketing, and a peer network, while also revealing what green flags (and red flags) to look for when evaluating opportunities. You'll walk away seeing franchising in a whole new light—with clarity and confidence.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why franchising can be a faster, safer path to business ownership.The surprising industries thriving in non-food franchising.How semi-passive franchise models allow people to day jobs while building a business.The real numbers behind startup costs, royalties, and profit potential.Green flags and red flags to watch when evaluating franchise opportunities.Episode References/Links:FranBridge Consulting - https://franbridgeconsulting.com/Jon Ostenson on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/Jon Ostenson on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JonOstenson1/Jon Ostenson on Twitter - https://twitter.com/Jon_OstensonJon Ostenson on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@JonOstensonFBCBook: Non-Food Franchising by Jon Ostenson - https://a.co/d/29XayrQGuest Bio:Jon Ostenson is the Founder and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, which ranked 584th on the Inc. 5000 list as one of the fastest-growing companies in America. A former corporate executive and past President of ShelfGenie, Jon has sat on all sides of the franchising table—as franchisor, multi-brand franchisee, and now trusted advisor. Widely recognized as a leading voice in non-food franchising, he has helped thousands of entrepreneurs and investors explore opportunities across industries such as home services, wellness, senior care, and pet care. Jon is also the bestselling author of Non-Food Franchising, a practical guide for building wealth and business ownership without starting from scratch. Through FranBridge, he connects clients with over 600 vetted franchise brands and provides strategic, hands-on support at no cost to the client—helping them step confidently into semi-passive investments or full-time business ownership. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial that want to put their thumbprints all over a business. And you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership.Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe. I have a topic we have never touched. I'm so jazzed about this, I actually found it really, really fascinating. And this year is like my year of being curious and understanding more and more about businesses as our business continues to grow. And so when I met Jon Ostenson, I have so much more knowledge, so much more understanding, so much more excitement and inspiration. And I really wanted to bring this to you, because I know how many of you are like, wanting to make other income, wanting to make more income, one of the questions I get all the time is like, how do I make passive income? How do I have another income stream? I know that managing your money in stocks can be overwhelming, and so I wanted to bring a whole topic to you that I think could be really, really fascinating. So Jon Ostenson is the author of Non-Food Franchising. His company is FranBridge Consulting and so we're gonna talk about franchises. And if you're like, oh, this could be so boring, I promise you, it's anything but boring. It's quite fascinating. Even if you never go into this, you'll actually like, look at franchises and different businesses in a whole different light. And I found it to be really eye opening. And I feel like a lot of my friends should be doing this, and I don't know, maybe, maybe I'll create a portfolio and do this too, but I now have so much more understanding, and I'm really excited for you to have that, because to be it till you see it in anything, the first thing we need is have answers and understanding and also some curiosity in a topic we might not have known anything about. So if you've been wanting to start a business, maybe instead of starting something new, you actually want to franchise and so here is Jon Ostenson. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, I'm really excited. I've read the book by our guest today, and this is a really interesting topic we have never talked about, and I've always been slightly interested in, and now I'm even more intrigued. So Jon Ostenson is our guest today. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at that's so unique, so niche and so wonderfully that we need to talk about it? Jon Ostenson 2:40  Yeah, absolutely, no. Jon Ostenson, here in Atlanta, Georgia, I've got three young kids I chase around on a daily basis, but you know, I spend most of my time helping my clients find the right businesses for them. And so, you know, we work with over 600 different franchise brands, and what I call Non-Food Franchising. So it's all these industries outside of fast food that incorporate franchising. And yeah, it's entirely free to work with us, and I get to help our clients navigate, what are the top opportunities given their background, their interest, what they're looking to do? What are those top available opportunities in their market that can be a fit for them?Lesley Logan 3:11  I so I really, this is, like, really interesting, because first of all, of course, growing up, I only knew like, food franchisers, and I'm just not into cleaning a kitchen. So, like, that was, you know, different. And then also, like, in my industry, there are now, like, franchises in in the Pilates world, but there's always been franchises in the fitness world. And I guess, like, I guess where we could start is, like, wait, why would someone do a franchise versus, like, start their own non-food business, you know, like, what, what would be like, the things that they're thinking about? Because one of the reasons I want to have you on is, we have had a lot of coaches who are entrepreneurial. And I also think, like, not everyone is an entrepreneur, but also I don't want to, like, tell people that, like, I think they need to figure that out for themselves. So why would someone franchise versus start something themselves?Jon Ostenson 3:59  Yeah, great question. And you know, franchising is not right for everyone. I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial, that want to put their thumbprints all over a business, and you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership. You know, you've got a lot of things already in place. You've got a proven business model that's been successful in other markets. You've got a coach on the sidelines in that franchisor that's supporting you and their team. You've got other franchisees that are living the same thing day in, day out, in their markets. You're constantly exchanging best practices. You're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And, you know, being able to step into a business where on day one, the marketing is pretty close to optimized because they know how to run, you know, and the franchisor is doing a lot of that for you. You've got efficiencies and supply chain, and there's just a lot of opportunity that franchising opens up. And what I tell our clients is, hey, you may double down and triple down on franchises and build a whole empire of franchises. A lot of our clients do, or you may decide, hey, after franchising, let's go start my own business. I guarantee you that next business is going to be better for having had that franchise experience and understanding, how do you stand up a business, what are the best practices in the processes that go around it? Lesley Logan 5:09  Yeah, I mean, like, I think that's really cool, because I remember, you know, when I wanted to, first of all, when I became a Pilates instructor, I never thought I'd own a studio, because I worked at a I rented from a studio, and I saw how much stress she was under, and then I worked for a company, high end fitness business, and I got to run a studio for them. And I was like, oh, this is so nice, just to have everyone tell me the budgets, and tell me how much people are getting paid and and do all the do all the math, and then I can just do the thing that I really love. And so in a way, that's kind of like what you're saying, like a franchise is a proven like, it's a business that's already been in existence. It's proven, like, who they're for, what they do, how they market. And so you get to kind of hit the ground already running, in some ways, am I right?Jon Ostenson 5:53  Yeah, you start on third base instead of first. You're not having to test everything now, in exchange, you're paying a royalty back to the franchise or right? And franchising is just like everything. Not every company is created the same. Every industry has got good players. You've got ones that aren't as strong. That's where we come in to help our clients really identify the companies that are providing the most value, that can get them to where they want to be.Lesley Logan 6:13  Yeah. So I guess, then I guess maybe I should have started with, what is a franchise. Maybe I should have started there. And then also, if you can talk about, like, do, do companies that are franchises, they have already been in business before they're selling off businesses, or they they start out that way, like, do you get it on the ground level? Jon Ostenson 6:34  Yeah, well, hopefully they've already proven out the model, at least in one location, if not in multiple locations, you know. And they're well capitalized, they've got a team to support franchisees, but no franchising at its roots, you know, it's really three things. That's, it's a shared brand, we all know that. But then it's, you know, that there's a system, and there's guidance, and there's value being provided from a home office to that franchisee, to that location. The franchisees give me some sort of payment back in the form of a royalty, typically, to that franchisor. So it's really those three things. So there are companies out there that are probably operating as franchises that may not have franchise, but technically, that's what a franchise is. And again, when I say the F word franchise, people think fast food. I mean, that's what comes to mind. But there's so many different industries out there outside of food, and I've got nothing against the food guys. We need them. We support them. But again, there are easier ways to make money that may require less employees, less operating hours, that may carry higher margins because you don't have the food waste, they may be less susceptible to consumer whims. I always say that frozen yogurt was big until it wasn't. Most of our clients are liking opportunities that aren't trendy. They're not going out of style, and they'll always be mainstream.Lesley Logan 7:46  Yeah. Can we talk about like, what are like some of the, what are some of the non-food franchise like, either if you want to name names, or if you want to name like areas of business? Because maybe it would help people to hear like, there, there's actually franchises in an industry they already have experience in. Jon Ostenson 8:01  Yeah, you know. And I'd say 90% of our clients get into something in an industry they don't have experience in. And that's the beauty of franchising, is it allows for those pivots, but you take the transferable skill set. So yeah, examples there, we're seeing a lot of interest, I'd say in the general theme, it's businesses that will do well regardless of the economy, regardless of tariffs, regardless of, you know, other exterior factors. And so it's things that people will always spend money on. So home and property services are a huge area. Health and wellness. McKinsey just came out with a study saying it's now a $480 billion a year industry in the US, growing at 10% so health, you know, wellness, is now mainstream, which I know you would agree with it's categories like kids, pets, seniors again, things that people will always spend money on regardless. And you know, within these there's so many different niches. I mean, I can just, you know, I'm thinking of in-home senior care. We have a lot of clients doing that, but then I've had clients that have been placed there that came back said hey Jon, what's a tangential opportunity that can tag onto this, and I introduced them to one that provides wheelchair ramps and stair lifts and retrofitting within a home, allowing people to age in place. Youth soccer, I've had so many clients do well in youth soccer, tutoring, kids-related, pets, everything from pet grooming to pet boarding to dog training, you know, but. Lesley Logan 9:19  That's crazy, because I would never have thought those things. And also, like, I because we travel around the world. We were talking about that before we hit record, I find myself, like, like, in shock. Sometimes I see a business and I'm like, like, how much did they need to get started? You know? Because, like, what I love about like, like, one of the things that kept me from starting my own studio is, like, just the barrier of entry. I didn't know how to read a lease, I didn't know what kind of insurance I needed to have outside of what the insurance I had as a renter. I didn't know that. And then I had to, like, buy all the equipment, and then it's like, oh, like, literally, my clients came the first like, where's the trash can? I was like, oh, yeah, we need a trash can. Like, you know, you know, right? Like, I was like, I was like, flying by the seat of my pants. But like, what you're saying is, like, I, if I was like, I need a change in my life, or I actually just want to have something that's working alongside what I'm already doing, I can go into another industry, and then they already have the blueprint. So, like, I already know how much it's going to cost me to go all in. I know how much it's going to cost me to run it, and I also have an idea, in theory, at least as I learned this from your book of, like, what I could make off of this investment, which is a little different than stock market, like you think. I mean, we all hope it's going up right now, we're riding a different wave. But, like, but like, you know, so am I right when I say, like, there's like, a nice blueprint there that kind of allows you to know more about what you don't know? Jon Ostenson 10:43  Absolutely. No, you go in and you know, nothing's ever a sure thing, right? I never want to pretend like it is. Business ownership is hard. It takes work. If it was easy, everybody would be a business owner. But franchising does make it a lot easier and a lot more predictable, right? I mean, that's why banks love providing SBA loans to franchises over startups, right? It's just more predictable, and the success rates are obviously a lot higher all the data shows, you know, but I'd say, going in, you know, there's a whole exploration process, and that's where we take our clients through, hold their hand as they're having these conversations with their franchises. You know, learning a lot, asking good questions. They, they get a chance to talk to other franchisees in that system before they ever buy. You know, they get kind of the inside knowledge. They get a franchise disclosure document, which is the history of the franchise and all the information. And to your point, the financials on the all in investment. And you know, there's going to be some variability in there, but it outlines that, and then talks about the historical financial results, what you could expect to make if you execute according to plan. And so you know, you can make disproportionate returns on your investment. Again, because you're, you're putting effort in, right? If it was just thrown in an index fund, you know, you're not going to be able to make, you're going to be capped at what you can make. However, with this, you also get the tax benefit. So it's really a, I call it the trifecta. You're, you're building towards cash returns. You're obviously building an asset that's going to have exit value down the road, and in all likelihood, you'll sell to another franchisee in the system. That's very common. And then third, you get the tax benefits of business ownership. And if you have a W2 job or spouse with a W2 I mean, this could be a great offset. I mean, there's so many levers that the government set up the tax playbook to incentivize business ownership.Lesley Logan 12:19  Yeah, well, one of the reasons why we love being a business owner, I definitely enjoy those. I want to, like, just kind of tap into something, because you talked about, like, being a W2. So realistically, how many people do you know, like, have a job and then have a franchise that's successful? Like, are they overworking? Are they 120-hour work week kind of person? Or, like, is that a normal thing that people can do?Jon Ostenson 12:43  Roughly half of our clients start out with a manager in place. It's what franchising would call semi passive or semi absentee or executive model. I always want to say hey, stop. You know, let's not sugarcoat this. It takes work to stand up a business. You know. I don't want to ever pretend like it doesn't so, you know, it is very doable within a franchise system, because you've got a franchisor and their team supporting that manager that you put in place on a day to day basis, they can answer a lot of the questions and kind of hold their hand. So it takes some of the burden off of you. So much of it your ramp up time and success comes down to who you put in that place. You can have a great vehicle, you still have to have a great driver, so someone that has fire in the belly that you incentivize. You know that's a hard worker. They can make your life very easy, but if it's not the right person, you can find yourself with some headaches and leaning in. So I'd say that is the biggest variable that I see. But I've got so many success stories of clients that have gone that path. I should always want to make sure that they go in eyes wide open, that in the early going especially, it will take work.Lesley Logan 13:43  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I think that's really important. Okay, let's just take, take a step back, Jon, how did you get into doing this? Like, did you, did you always know, like, you would be in franchises? Like, did you fall into franchises? Like, tell us the journey that got you here. Jon Ostenson 13:56  Yeah. You know, like so many of your listeners, I spent many years in the corporate world, and you went to grad school and did all the things you're supposed to do as a W2 and had a great run. But, you know, had that desire, like so many, to be a business owner and to do something more entrepreneurial, and didn't know what it what it looked like. And I really fell into franchising. So about eight years ago, I left the corporate world, assumed the reins of a business called Shelf Genie, which is a large franchise system. I served as their president, supporting our home office and all of our franchisees, and I really fell in love with the franchise model through that experience. And I just saw how so many different backgrounds got involved in a shared system because of the support that we were providing. So long story short, I partnered with the founder of that company. We spun off. We've invested in franchises ourselves. I've continued to invest in franchises on my on my own outside of that, so I've been a franchisor. I am a multi brand franchisee as well, and started the consulting practice about little over six years ago, and now I give it most of my full time focus, and just love helping others connect the dots, because I just hear the same conversations every day. So many people, oftentimes midlife, they're saying gosh, you know, I've looked around. And they all know some business owners, and they see them out playing golf or, you know, going to their kids activities. And they say, there's a little bit of FOMO, right? And, but they say, I don't have that genius idea. I'm a little risk averse. I don't know where to start. That's where I come in and say hey, look at all these other people that have done done this through franchising with similar backgrounds, and here's why it worked for them. So absolutely love helping them. I personally, on the franchisee front, this just shows a little bit of the variety out there. I kind of like home and property services personally. So I've got one business that works on parking lots. It provides asphalt paving and line striping, you know, non sexy need based industry, right? I've got another one, is almost like an equipment rental business. It provides temporary walls like containment walls around renovation projects and construction sites. It's a great B2B business. I've got one that this is kind of more in the health and wellness genre. It's uses 3D printing to provide custom inserts and insoles for shoes, right? It talked about a niche, right? But we cater a little bit to the older population. So I've got it down in Delray, Florida, which is a great market. I've got another one where I'm on the franchisor side, I'm invested that provides custom pull out shelving for your kitchens and pantries and stay at home moms are great for that business. They're great designers. They can work when they want to and go in and be very conversational, and it's just cool that, you know, we're creating a lot of jobs out there and helping a lot of communities.Lesley Logan 16:28  Okay, that is so all of those things, I would not have thought that, like, those are franchises. I guess I just thought, like, some guy in Las Vegas, like, start a business, like, putting fences, you know, and then it's like, but then I do see like, oh, it's a company. And then you're like, how, like, how, who got into, like, having a business in every city that has, like, fences. But now that I'm like, you know, now that the wall been pulled over my eyes, I can under, away from my eyes, I can see like, oh, these are companies that got started, and then they had success, and then they basically created a blueprint that they could sell to other people, and then that's how they spread their wings, because they've got good systems in place. And then people like you, or people like listening are like, Oh, I could do that. I actually, like, I have the funds for that. I like that area, or, you know, I can have the time for that. I just wouldn't have thought that those are those. There's things out there. And I was reading your book, one of the things that we all have to realize is, like, there's a massive population of people who are getting older, and there is not enough like services for them, and so like to be able to get into a franchise that is like servicing those people that they for a necessity they need. It's kind of nice, I guess. I have a question, how much of what you have to do as a franchisee, as far as the marketing goes, like, are you curating the marketing? Does the franchise or that's the parent company, right, like the owner, do they come up with a marketing strategy and you just, like, put it out there. Like, I guess I'm wondering, like, how much of it do you be creative? Because I have a lot of people like, I want to do this, but I hate social media, or I hate writing a newsletter, or I hate doing the the money and the taxes, like, how much does the actual franchisor do for you? Jon Ostenson 18:06  Yeah, it certainly varies, but I'd say in most cases, the franchisor leans in pretty heavy on the marketing side, and that's one of the value adds they're bringing. So they're creating collateral and brand standards and customizing things for you for your location. But you know, typically they have an in house marketing team. They may partner with an outside digital marketing firm that's running all your Google ads and social media ads and such. Oftentimes, they encourage you to get involved on the organic side of social media. So it's, hey, I've got a home show coming up. Hey, look at this great job. We just got a five star review. But again, if you need help with that, most of them are able to lean in pretty heavy, because I do have a lot of clients like you said that they hey, I don't want anything to do with marketing or lead generation. And I, you know, in some cases you have franchises that have national accounts. I mean, that's a great lead generator. In some cases, they have an in house call center that's actually sometimes making outbound calls, or, at a minimum, taking inbound calls, setting appointments for you. So, you know, as you go through the expiration process, you want to say, what, what value is that franchisor providing for the royalty that I'm giving them? And, you know, make sure that there's tangible things that they're doing for you, oftentimes on the marketing side as an example.Lesley Logan 19:11  Yeah, okay, you talked about royalties, I guess, for the person who doesn't understand what that means. What is that? And then what are we what can someone expect on like, maybe not like the best end, but like an average, an average earnings.Jon Ostenson 19:26  Yeah, so I'd say six to 8% royalty typically is common in revenue, and when you look at financial projections of a franchise system, they're always going to net out for that royalty, right? I mean, that's part of the business model. But again, those are oftentimes expenses that you would be paying on your own elsewhere. From an earnings standpoint, well, first off, from an investment standpoint, I mean, we have some clients who are getting into big seven figure deals, but most people like when you look at service-based businesses and you're all in investment, your franchise fee, startup costs, several months of working capital, oftentimes you're in the 150,000 to 300,000 range, all in. And some of our clients are using cash, most like the idea of using an SBA loan, where maybe they put in 50,000 cash and then they use an SBA loan for the balance. Some are using an old 401-K from a previous employer, and rolling that over, which is very doable through what's called the ROBS program. So we help them with all of that. But from an earnings standpoint, it definitely varies. You always want people to take a conservative approach. There are businesses that will start cash flowing as early as three months in. Oftentimes, what you see is maybe six months, six to 12 months, somewhere in that range. Again, we always want to be conservative, but no you can make disproportionate returns. So let's say your all in investment was 200,000 from their businesses out there, where you can conceivably do a million dollars for first year. I mean, there are a good number of those. And oftentimes you're kicking off 15 to 20% to the bottom line. So call it 150 to the bottom line. And you may not get that in year one, but that may be your run rate at the end of year one. So 150 on an investment of 200,000 that's 75%, and then you're doing, you're doing that every year, and you're going to sell that business down the road. So again, but you're putting effort in, right? Lesley Logan 21:01  Right, well, well, and it's like, like, I'm just, like, just forever. I, when I opened up my studio, which was a small studio, I, no, my bank did not give me a loan. I've been in business for so many years, like, look, I make, I make over six figures, and I just want, like, a $40,000 loan. And they like, laughed in my face, so I used a credit card. But it was, the investment was like, $40,000 in equipment, all I had to do, and then obviously my rent and everything. And of course, yes, I, because it was on a credit card, I paid that shit off. But, but like you do only have to, ideally, only buy that equipment one time, right? So there's that. But to to your point, like the money that or time I had to spend on marketing my business, on coming up with the marketing, on testing it out, on doing all that stuff, on also collaborating, also doing the organic, also all that stuff, it starts to go sometimes you're like, it would be nice if someone could take this off. And even if you're like, oh, let's all just hire an agency. Y'all, I have talked to marketing agencies. They are not just 6% like some like, you know, when you think about, like, the marketing agency and the account and the organization and the hiring practices and the onboarding, all that stuff costs money, and so sometimes it's kind of like, it's almost like it's 50% it's 50 one way, 50% one way, half it does another. It's kind of like, if you really want to make your own thing and be your own thing, then go do your own thing, and you'll have all the same expenses. But I can't believe, and I don't know, I can't believe it that an SBA loan would be easier to get if you're in a franchise. But it makes sense, because there's a proven track record from all the other businesses, and the SBA is like, oh, this is like, very risk free. It took us a pandemic to get an SBA loan because they were just giving them away. And then recently, a lovely bank helped us get an SBA loan. But, like, it's not easy when you work for yourself and a non proven kind of a thing to get loans. So it sounds really cool that that would be an option for people. Jon Ostenson 22:51  Yeah, and probably two thirds of our clients use them. We really don't have issues getting them. As long as you have semi decent credit, then you know, they have that confidence in the franchise.Lesley Logan 23:00  That's so cool. That is really cool. Okay, so I guess you know there's, there's probably people going, oh my gosh. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm not confident as a business owner. Do you have to have, like, would you suggest, like, you have to have some sort of management experience, or do you have people who, like, do the franchisers like, support you in leading a team and how to lead the business that you're doing. Or, like, are you having to figure that yourself? Jon Ostenson 23:26  Yeah, there are some franchises where you really don't have to have a team. You know, you can be kind of a solopreneur in a way, or maybe have an assistant. Most of them do involve people. And people always ask me, what, what does it take to be successful in franchising? And really, it's two things. It's one, you're good with people. You don't have to be great, but you have to be someone that people want to work with, work for work. So that's just Business 101, and then secondly, your willingness to follow a system, where I see people get in trouble in franchising is that they come in and they think they're the smartest guy in the room, and they don't have the humility to actually learn from others and to follow a system, even if they have questions. When I was at Shelf Genie, our best franchisees were the ones that followed the system the closest. That sounds so cliche, but it's true. Lesley Logan 24:04  I mean, just being in business myself for 15 years, like, how, like, there are some days I'm like, I just wish there was a fucking blueprint that I could just wake up, follow, like, there's days and I'm like, so I can't imagine, like, not only take advantage of that, but I guess, like, maybe that would be the person who wouldn't be right for franchising, and maybe they shouldn't have gotten into it in the first place.Jon Ostenson 24:29  Yeah, no, I've seen clients do very well within a franchise system, and then, you know, I had a client that didn't do well in it, and the feedback from the franchisor was said, what's going on? Why is it working for them and not for them. You said, we've coached them, we've done everything we can, but they're not willing to follow the system. (inaudible) But certainly, if you have any business experience that you know, those transferable skill sets definitely help and maybe give you a leg up. But I've got plenty of clients, you know, doctors or a big client, mainly clientele of ours, most of them don't have business experience. They may be really, they're like, smart and smarter than their little niche but they don't have that business experience. They love the idea of, they know how to learn, and they're willing to learn, and they're willing to follow the playbook the textbook. Instead, they come in and they say, Hey, we want to flex that intellectual muscle. And most of them are keeping the day job. You know, they've invested too much to walk away from that. But they put a manager in place, and they go out and run a restoration business, or a mobile pet grooming business, something that allows them to flex that intellectual curiosity a little bit.Lesley Logan 25:29  That is so cool. I just think it's so cool, like I was, I never thought about, I'll be really nice, I actually never thought about owning a franchise. I have been wondering and been very curious of like, what if I wanted to open up something that I made into a franchise like that has been on my mind a lot lately, but the more I read your book, the more I'm like, what a cool investment strategy. Like, you know, just to diversify how you're investing for retirement and wealth, and, like, generational wealth. I don't have any kids, but like, it would be cool to have have have another way of having an income stream or or a way of growing wealth without having to, not that it's not work, but also just not rely solely on, like, what my wealth manager is doing with my stocks.Jon Ostenson 26:13  Oh, because so many of our clients do have kids or family members that they plan on bringing in on the business over time and kind of setting an example for them to learn from as well, and of taking a risk, if you will, a calculated risk. But now from an investment standpoint, I'm an all of the above investor. I invest in real estate and energy and the public markets and private credit. I encourage people to do all that. I just think the business ownership can have a unique place in that portfolio, and there's a whole lot of tax benefits and other synergies to come from that. So I'm not against any of those other investments. I just think it's an all of the above approach. And a lot of our clients invest in real estate too, some more actively than others, but there's a lot of synergy between those two, I think, from a mindset standpoint, from a tax advantage standpoint, and then directly from an industry standpoint, a lot of these businesses support real estate.Lesley Logan 27:00  What are some, like, green flags about a franchise, or some red flags, like, what are some things that we would like? You'd be like, oh, this looks really this looks really good. I think a client would do really well with this. And then what are some like, ooh, maybe, maybe watch this one, or don't, don't sign up for that.Jon Ostenson 27:16  You know, certain the brand is more important in certain industries. I mean, certainly, food, hotels, things like that. You know, but in a lot of industries, I think about insulation, that's a $50 billion a year industry, no one can name an installation company, right? And so that's less important. But still, some of these industries, you know, if it's a household name brand, then it's probably sold out in all the good areas of your market, right? And so oftentimes, we find ourselves working with more emerging franchises. You know, they may have five locations, 25 locations, 50 locations. Yes, they haven't been around forever, but they're growing fast. And really, the what I look for there, it's the competitive advantages, it's the financial models got to be very robust, because you have a smaller sample size to look at. You've, you know, the early franchisees have to be saying positive things about their experience. But then a lot of emphasis I put on those companies is the leadership team. I want to see a good blend of industry experience, but also franchise experience represented on that team that's essentially going to be your business partner. So I would say that the people involved on the other end, I can't underestimate that enough. That's something I emphasize with our clients. Let's vet them. Those are the ones that you want to have a good relationship with that are going to be supporting you day in, day out. You know. I would also say, you know, make sure that, if it's an early stage franchise, make sure it's well capitalized. You know, they've got plenty of assets in the bank. I have seen companies, at times, rush into franchising thinking it was their gold mine and they needed to have a pot of gold going in, because it's expensive to franchise, but no, private equity loves franchising, you know, they they invest strategically at the franchisor level very oftentimes, just they love the model and kind of these industries that they play in. There's a lot of smart money getting involved. But I always encourage people, you know, and that's why we set up our exploration process the way we did. And, you know, I'm essentially a real estate broker buffer franchises, and so I help our clients understand what's going on behind the scenes, how to think about this, the questions to ask, provide them with a lot of resources, and then we simply get a referral fee from the franchise brand on the back end when a placement happens, like a real estate model, you've got the seller, and none of that's passed on (inaudible).Lesley Logan 29:17  So that's why you're free. Because, like, I couldn't believe it. I was reading the book, and I was like, because to me, you know, one of the one of the big hurdles for a lot of people is like hiring a coach to help them make the best decisions. You have to have the money for that and hope that it works, but to work with you, you know, it's just free for for the person wanting to work with you. So like, you get paid because the franchise company pays you like a real estate so, got it. Jon Ostenson 29:40  For them, it's a sales and marketing expense. None of that's passed on to our clients at all. So you know, whether they go directly to a brand or go through us, they're paying the same franchise fee. So it's a nice, it's really a great model, and, yeah, we're able to help a lot of people through it. Lesley Logan 29:58  That is so cool. Yeah. I mean, so you did this six years ago. Okay, so you started right before everything shut down. Like, can we just go back? Was it, what was the be it till you see it, or what would, like, the things you had to do? Because, like, my goodness, during that time, a lot of franchises could be open. A lot of franchises had, like, limitations. Did you worry that, like, this was going to all, like, be affected negatively. Like, did you see the light at the end of the tunnel? Tell me about it. Jon Ostenson 30:25  Yeah, you know, just like everything, we're all questioning what's going on there for a few weeks, but then as soon as the dust settled, I mean, the franchise deals started happening again, and people started jumping back in. They said, I want something that I can be in control of, and I really don't want to go back to the office. I really, you know, a lot of people took time to think about what they wanted to be until they saw, you know, and they said, you know, that's the time a lot of introspection, which led to a lot of people saying, maybe now's the time. If I don't jump now, when am I ever going to do it? So, you know, there's a lag effect. Some of those late adopters I'm still having calls with now. They're like, I've been thinking about this for years, and most of them are realizing there's never a perfect time to jump into business ownership. But, you know, good number of them realize, hey, now's as good of a time as ever, as ever. And yeah, for me, you know, I love what I do. I've had teams in the past of, you know, 50 employees, and you know, I can do that, but that's not what I love doing. What I love doing is working with clients. I love strategy. I love seeing business models being out there at the tip of the spear, and so I've really structured my business now. I had that vision early on that, hey, I'm going to play to my strengths and how I want to spend my time, and that's what I've built. So yeah, love our model and how I get to help people and engage with clients all day.Lesley Logan 31:35  Yeah, so in that because, like, we talked to a lot of people get really passionate. And I think what, especially when I work with studio owners, like, sometimes their passion becomes like a prison because they like, stop taking care of themselves to like, do their passion like, how do you prioritize yourself so that you can have the mindset and the wherewithal to help the people that you like to help?Jon Ostenson 31:54  Yeah, I'm probably one of the more intentional people that you'll meet in that regard. You know, I think through things in the area of five domains, you know, faith, family and relationships, but then also finances, fitness and franchising. So my 5F framework, if you will, you know, but I'm constantly evaluating and balancing, you know, how my day is spent in each of those so, you know, work out on the fitness side. You know, the trainer a couple times a week, and got my infrared sauna and cold plunge and red light and all that here in the office. And, you know, coach my kids teams, you know, teach their Sunday school. You know, try to balance everything and very blessed, very thankful for what I get to do, and that allows me to do the other things I want to do. And I will say I'm the hardest boss I've ever had. You know, business ownership isn't easy. I work myself hard, but there's so much flexibility, and I'm just thankful. I pinch myself every day having had a W2 job for many years, I could, can never imagine doing that again.Lesley Logan 32:48  Yeah, I understand that. Okay, this is a really, like personal story we had. Our health insurance company is contracted with another company. Maybe it's a franchise that, like, comes to your house to, like, do, like, your physical, which is, like, just the meetup, just the heart, the lungs, just the blood pressure, and then, like, talk to you about, like, what doctors you want to see this year. And the whole time I was like, this feels like a scam. Are you casing the joint? Like, what are? What are? I'm like, I feel like this, this is too good to be true. And then they left and my husband are just like, let's just pretend it's not a scam. How lucky are we that we could set aside the time in the middle of a workday at our home to, like, take care of our health, and then, like, go back to doing the things we love everyday. Working for yourself is, like, the hardest thing, even if you work for yourself, for your own franchise, like they're running a business is, you know, there's only so many days where there's not an obstacle. You're like, what the fuck just happened there? But when you are realizing it's all part of the plan that you set out, like when you actually got what you wanted, it is worth pinching yourself. So I love that. Thank you for sharing that. And I also we second y'all red lights, cold plunges like, work out, move your body. It makes running your business, whatever that is, so much easier.Jon Ostenson 34:07  Absolutely, absolutely, no, fully agree. Lesley Logan 34:09  What are you most excited about right now? And like, it can be like in the franchise world, or it can be in like, in your business. Like, what are you most excited about right now? Jon Ostenson 34:16  Yeah, you know, I I practice what I preach, and I love just trying new things and then bringing them to my clients. So for me, I've got my consulting practice, and then I've got all these franchises and other investments in a holding company, and I'm just, this is the nerd side of me. I'm just realizing all these different tax plays and alternative investments and how they can work together, and I'm bringing in the best of the best advisors, and, you know, really trying to level up. That was my theme last year, was level up. I'm like, am I with the best bank out there? Am I with the best concierge doctor? Am I with the best financial advisor? I identified 25 different areas, and this took time by one by one, leveled up in each of those. And said, if I'm not working with best in class, why not? And so I'm just thinking through that lens, and I think it's helping our clients to just kind of say, you know, let's get off the sidelines. Let's just forget the status quo. Like, how do we level up and get better? And you know, whether it be personally or those that we work with in every area.Lesley Logan 35:11  That's so cool. Thank you for sharing that. Because I, I think it's really easy to just keep doing the same thing, and you're like, well, this works and this works. And like, going back to that the bank that gave us SBA loan, I told my husband, I was like, well, why aren't we working with that bank? Like, why is that is not our bank? Because our bank certainly didn't help us. So why are we not with that bank? And it was like, one tiny thing, and I'm like, can we figure out a way around that one time? This seems so stupid. I want to work with a bank that's going to give me money whenever I want it. That's why, why I have a bank. It's not like they're getting interest. I'm not making any money off them. So I so I find, like, it's, it's effort to go through and figure out what that is. And then there's that change, which most people don't like, but then it's like, but then you have, like, the best of the best. So, you know, I think that's really cool.Jon Ostenson 36:01  Yeah, absolutely, you know, unfortunately, I've got the best wife, so I'm not up leveling there.Lesley Logan 36:06  That's good to know. That's good to know. Shout out to her. Okay, is there anything I didn't ask you, because this is a new topic for me, so I really want to make sure that, like, we covered all the bases that you think we needed to. Is there anything to ask you about franchising and getting into it that you want to share with us today. Jon Ostenson 36:22  Yeah, you know, I think we really hit a lot of the hot topics. You know, we're seeing more interest than we've ever seen. I think, for a variety of reasons, our biggest challenge is not lead flow, it's, it's, you know, just the opportunities. They move so fast in good markets. So I would encourage people, if anyone has an interest in exploring, there's no downside, there's no cost. I just hear testimonial after testimonial of franchising wasn't on my radar. I was looking at existing businesses. And actually, that's a good topic. A lot of our clients say hey, we've been looking for an existing business. Here's what I hear. We've been looking for four years, five years, six years. We've been under LOI, letter of intent for five companies, six companies, due diligence didn't shake out someone else outbid us. We uncovered this. And due diligence over and over again, and then they come around to franchising. They say, wait a minute, I can get into franchising without having to pay the premium of an existing business, without having to have the risk of change in ownership. I mean, you're going to lose some key employees. That just happens when you have a change in ownership. And there's so many people out there looking because you have all these talking heads on social media saying, hey, buy a business and then build it. It's like, what was the franchise system? Buy a proven model, but put your thumbprints on it from day one, and build the culture the way you want it. So I'd say that was one thing I wanted to add that just came to mind.Lesley Logan 37:36  I'm glad you brought that up, because we first, like, I work with a lot of business owners who are like, I want to sell my studio. They want to sell their business. And I'm always like, okay, well, what can we sell? Because if you are the main person, not much to sell, babe. So we have to, like, do all this work to make the business sellable. And, and I was like, and I really wish that someone had told you have to think about the exit in mind. Because you have to think about the exit in mind when you start anything everyone, but I do think that there's a lot of people in, oh, I'll just buy this one because I've seen how good it is. I like going there. And so we have this, like, almost like, attachment, but it's true, like, even if people like you, they might still leave, because people don't like change.Jon Ostenson 38:17  Yeah, and you paid a premium thinking nothing was going to change, right? So, you know, that's one of the things I love about franchising, too, is that exit in mind when you start in the beginning again, most franchises, you're not going to find many good franchise resales out there on the market, because any opportunity that's worth buying is going to be bought by another franchisee in that system, that internal M and A, as I call it, mergers and acquisitions, where franchisees buy each other's businesses, which allows for exits and allows others to expand. That's so, so common. I've got so many clients have done, I've personally done it just again, when you think about the end in mind.Lesley Logan 38:52  Yeah, okay, we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can work with you, do a call with you and see if this is what's in it for them. Lesley Logan 39:02  All right, Jon, how do people like, it's free, so they could just, like, chat with you and just see if, like, this is a good idea for them, right? Like, that's how they can work with you. How do they find you?Jon Ostenson 39:10  Yeah, come out to our website, franbridgeconsulting.com F-R-A-N bridge consulting dot com you know, share your email address. I'll send you a free digital copy of our book, Non-Food Franchising, which is a great primer to kind of get the juices flowing and help you connect the dots on franchising. And yeah, more than happy to jump on a call, just to indicate that interest when we reach out to you, and we'll jump on a 20-25, minute call, and I can give you some thoughts and get to know you a little bit better, and we can go from there. So again, entirely free to work with us. Certainly if you want to follow on LinkedIn, I put out content most days on LinkedIn. So that could be another place to find me. Lesley Logan 39:42  Oh, that's cool. LinkedIn a place that I keep saying I'm going to start printing thumbprint on. And I go in there and I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. So maybe in a maybe in a future year. You guys, I did read the book. I'm telling you, it was an it's a great read, and it really helped. It will. I think if it's for you, you'll know by reading the book, and if it's not for you, you'll know by reading the book. And I think that that's really cool. And also I just really, one of the things I'm really intentional about is like we have so many listeners, and I really want people to have I think freedom to make decisions is one of the most important ways you can be it till you see it. And having an, a way of making an income that works for you is one of the best things I could give to you guys as listeners. So thank you so much for being here. Before I let you go, Jon, you've given us so much already, but we love to give our listeners some bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Jon Ostenson 40:35  Yeah, you know, I would say, here's a quote, activity breeds activity, and it's the idea. I've just seen this play out in my career, in my life. Whenever I get off the couch, off the sidelines, I start moving towards Option A or Option B. That's when option C comes out of left field. And so I think good things happen when you're in motion. That idea of activity breeding other activity. Oftentimes you don't know what's coming, but you stay active, it comes.Lesley Logan 40:55  So good. It's so good. It kind of like, ladies, my Pilates lovers, it's like a body in motion stays in motion, like it's like that, but also like we had someone else say, like, I'm, everything is everything. And when you never know what, going out and talking to someone could turn into, my husband talks to everyone at every party, and I I'm so thankful for him, because I can talk to like, five people at a party, and then I'm like, okay, that's good. I'm good. Like, but he and, you know what, we've needed some of those people. He's like, oh, there's this guy I talked to at this place and, like, so, and you just never know what those connections are. So that's a great Be It Action Item. Thank you so much, Jon. Jon Ostenson, everyone. You can get his book, go to franbridgeconsulting.com. Perfect. Go there. We'll have the link in the show notes. And, you know, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. If you had a friend who's like, I need something different, I need to change. I need a new job, like this might be the exact thing they need. And then you get to be part of that. How cool is that? So thank you, Jon. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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Prioritizing yourself isn't selfish—it's survival. This FYF brings a listener's bold boundary win, a reminder that rest prevents burnout, and a big team celebration with the launch of a brand-new coaching app. Plus, Lesley and Brad drop an affirmation that will remind you of your one-of-a-kind gift to the world.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why standing firm on your policies builds respect in your business.The real cost of burnout and how it impacts your ability to show up.Saying yes to breaks and travel as a way to protect your energy.How better systems free up energy for you and your clients.Episode References/Links:Cambodia October 2025 Retreat - https://crowsnestretreats.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 0:48  Welcome Be It Pod squad. It is September 5th, Friday. It's Fuck Yeah Friday, and I'm, obviously, Brad here, stepping in for Lesley for the first part of this episode. She's gonna take over the second half of this episode here, where we're bringing your wins, and she's going to celebrate a win, but we're going to start today off a little bit differently with an affirmation, in a way that I think Lesley is going to get a kick out of. I hope you really enjoy it. So feel free to sing along. This is an encouraging, amazing song that I've often drawn inspiration from, and I think you're gonna love it. Brad Crowell 1:21  I've paid my dues time after time. I've done my sentence but committed no crime and bad mistakes I've made a few. I've had my share of sand kicked in my face, but I've come through. And on and on and on. We are the champions, my friends, and we'll keep on fighting till the end, because we are the champions. We are the champions. No time for losers, because we are the champions of the world.Brad Crowell 2:24  You know it. You know it. You hear it in the background. You are singing that song, too. I love this song because it's very relatable. You know, even though you know it's Queen and they're like epic rock stars, but listening to those lyrics, listening to that song, is something that I've always found relatable. You know, I've paid my dues time after time. I've done my sentence, but I committed no crime, right? How often do we feel like that, where we are feeling like I'm doing everything right, and yet things still aren't going my way? And maybe along the way, you know, and bad mistakes I've made a few. Maybe along the way we've made some bad mistakes. I've had my share of sand kicked in my face, but I've come through, right. And as a small business owners, you might feel like that too, but you will come through this. And I wanted to celebrate that chorus with you. We are the champions, my friends. You know we're gonna keep fighting. And that's, that's the thing, when you're, when you are, doesn't even have to be just in business, but in life, you know, one foot in front of the other, y'all. Keep on going. Consistency, persistency. You got this. You can do this. We are the champions, and we'll we're the champions of the world. So really excited to have you joining us this week for this Fuck Yeah Friday. I'm gonna pass the torch here on to Lesley to celebrate a few of your wins, and then hopefully, you know, you're gonna take encouragement and send in your own win to us as well so we can celebrate you on an upcoming Fuck Yeah Friday. So thanks for being here today. Lesley Logan 4:00  All right, now, for the next part of the episode where I share a win of yours. So, win of yours. We had a couple wins from Melissa Capitano, so we'll go through these. Stood up for myself when a client tried to bully me, she didn't think I should charge her for a late cancel because she had been a client since the founding owner, and she was good friends with her. She also told me that she never got any warm and fuzzy feelings from me and that I wasn't friendly towards her. I stood my ground. She told me she's going to pretend the conversation didn't happen, and proceeded to buy a 12 pack and book privates with one of my instructors. So I'm counting it as a win. So I just want to say it is interesting being a business owner, the requests that people ask or demand or think that they are worthy or entitled to, it really does show like, I don't know how this person would like live their life, but clearly there was some sort of luxury, or maybe their family was gifted things or given things based on a last name or whatever. But here's the deal, when you agree to a frequent or patronize an establishment, they have rules, and when you participate in that business, you are agreeing to participate with the rules. Now, if you don't like that, you don't have to patronize the establishment. That's why we live where we all have a place like there's more than one Pilates studio. There's more than one lunch place. There's more than one sandwich place. It's extremely rare in most of the world, where you listen to podcasts, that you are the only thing that exists, and even if you are, you still are worthy of having rules and boundaries for how people can participate with you. And the fact that, like, she's been a client with the original owner, that's cool and that she didn't get warm and fuzzy feelings for you, that's not your fault, right? You weren't creating a best friend environment. You were creating a business that can make people safe and have a place where they can call home for their Pilates practice for years and years to come. So, way to go, Melissa, way to stand for yourself. And I think it's hilarious. It's just like, okay, well, this conversation didn't happen. Like, interesting. Sometimes we have to be a mirror for people. Okay, you have another win. So my win. I'm on the road now, on our way to a family reunion. I needed this break. I've been teaching 35 to 45 hours a week for the last three months. I seriously thought about just staying home and letting my family go, but I remembered what Ella said about you're not helping anyone if you burn yourself out. So anyway, we are on the way stop to pick up lunch, taking Brad and Lesley with me on the road. She's wearing a shirt with Brad and I on it, and I love that so much. And it's really, thank you Melissa for making this a win so we could talk about this as a group. Seriously, you're a zero help to anyone burnt out. You are so not helpful to anyone. One of my friends from a group that I was in. I, by the time I'm recording this, I'm seeing that her husband's in the hospital, and like her, she and her kids, like, flew immediately to go see him. He was in a different state than where they live, and after about 36 hours, she flew the kids back home, because taking care of the kids and him and herself is, like, not an option, right? And the hospital's not the place where they can feel stress free and like, where little children can like, relax either. So she did something for herself so she doesn't burn out, right? So everyone can be protected. There's no right answers in those situations. You might have done something differently, but the point I'm sharing with that story is, Melissa's story, with you is there's always a reason to not go on the trip. There's always a reason to not start the thing. There's always a reason to not take the day off or not go out. And if what the thing that you are saying you don't want to do is used to fill your cup and you're just tired, go do it, because it's going to fill your cup. You're not going to fill your cup at home. You're going to find things to do at home. You're not going to relax. You're not going to rest when you are working that hard in your business, and there are seasons for that you must make sure you are taking care of yourself. So, Melissa, kudos to you. Hats off to you. And thank you for sharing this win so that other people can be inspired that that that is something that they can do. So if you are feeling like close to burnout now, my loves like, what is the thing that you are thinking you shouldn't do? Right? Are you already making excuses? Like, oh, you know that that October trip I shouldn't do. I had somebody reach out about the Cambodia retreat, and they're like, I really want to go. This is like, my dream retreat, but I just start a new job, like, five months before the retreat. Okay, totally understand not every job is reasonable. Maybe they don't have vacation time built up by five months. But also, like you're not gonna lose your job by saying, hey, by the way, in October, I need one week off to take care of myself. If you show your work that you are a better employee after resting, they're going to let you do that. Most places do. Now, you work for an asshole. I can't help you there. Lesley Logan 8:40  All right, a win of ours. So we actually released an app this summer, guys, we did it. Our team did it. It hit the deadlines that we'd set for ourselves. It works. People are using it. They love it. So we've always had, we've already had an app for OPC. People could take classes. You don't have to be a member to use the app, like you can listen to podcast on it. There's like, free tutorials you can watch on it. There's some free challenges. But if you're a member, you can be in the community. You can chat with us, you can take your classes on the app. Makes it really fun to do is take it yourself wherever your phone can go or your iPad can go. So we've been working on that for Profitable Pilates, and it's beautiful. It's really simple. It's really easy for our members to use. So, Agency members, instead of being in Slack now have one place to go to chat with the community, to share their wins, to have a moment to watch videos from me that are notes of inspiration, to see when the next office hours is, to book coaching calls, to watch courses all in one place. And for seven half years prior to this, they had to go to a website and to Slack and, you know, all this different stuff. And so we're, you know, we're so grateful that the way that technology has gone, that we have this opportunity to do this. And I'm really happy with the way the app is, way it looks, way people are using it. I'm just so proud. So this is one of those wins that months in the making and was a more of a team win than a me win. But you know, I am someone who often doesn't like change. I know it's kind of crazy. You think I love change the way I like preach like you should, like, just act like you're already the person you want to be. But like, I always worry about, like, oh my God, we have to transition people from one thing to the other thing. Are they going to do it? Will they come? Are we going to lose people? I don't want people to have a bad time. Like, there's a lot that can go wrong in a transition. And we, you know, it's hand holding everybody is not the easiest thing to do. Some people need it. And so I just am so grateful and so excited for what we've done. And now, y'all, if you want to coach with us, you get to use an app, and it's great. And of course, there's still Zoom calls and things like that. Anyways, really, really grateful for that, really, really proud of that huge win, and I'm just glad I get to celebrate that with you. Lesley Logan 10:53  Okay, your affirmation, another affirmation, but one that's a little easier. There is something in this world that only I can do, that is why I'm here. There is something in this world that only I can do, that is why I'm here. There's something in this world that only I can do, that is why I'm here. You know why I love this it's because I literally tell our aAgency members all of the time, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. Sometimes I have to say it slower for people to hear it. You are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. There are many people who went to the same training that I did in 2008 and are the same age and have the same experience and we teach differently. There are people who stayed with Jay and Sandy and all these people, and we all teach Pilates in theory the same way, and yet they'll be different than me always, and I'll be different than them. So you are the only person who do what you do the way that you do it. You're it. So never play small. Doesn't help anyone. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 11:58  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 12:41  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 12:46  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 12:50  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 12:57  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 13:00  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Navigating Health and Wellness: From Family Legacy to Microplastic Detox with Dan PowersUtzy Naturals SiteAuthentic Health Use Promo Code JASONIn this episode of The Healthy CEO, host Jason Wright welcomes Dan Powers, founder of Utzy Health. They dive into Dan's background, growing up steeped in the nutraceutical and biohacking space, thanks to his family's legacy in the supplement industry through Ortho Molecular. Dan discusses the evolution of his company, Utzy Health, its mission to provide top-tier supplements directly to consumers, and the innovative approach they've taken in product development, including the world's first microplastics detox product. The conversation also explores Dan's personal wellness routine, his reading interests, the challenges of balancing family life with entrepreneurial responsibilities, and practical advice for young fathers striving to maintain both personal and professional harmony. This episode offers valuable insights for anyone interested in supplements, holistic health, and managing a balanced life.00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:46 Family Legacy in Nutraceuticals03:55 Founding of Etsy Naturals06:01 Misconceptions About Supplements10:16 Quality and Sourcing of Ingredients12:14 Creatine: Myths and Facts17:47 Launching Etsy's First Product Line21:58 Environmental Toxins and Health Challenges30:38 Herbal Medicine and Its Benefits36:10 Discussing Rhodiola and Its Benefits36:40 Herbs for Better Sleep40:46 Exploring Berberine: The Poor Man's Ozempic43:27 Daily Routines and Philosophical Reads53:58 Balancing Family and Career01:00:35 Innovative Microplastics Detox Product01:04:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Brad and Lesley break down the interview with Dr. Celeste Holbrook, a sex educator and author who helps people move beyond shame and create healthy intimacy. They explore how harmful cultural narratives impact women, why communication matters more than technique, and how to reclaim your sexual choices as your own.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to make your own Pilates sandbag and what size cord works best.The impact of purity culture on women's sexual experiences.Why sex isn't static and how it evolves as you mature.The people-pleasing responses that block real connection.Dr. Celeste's four-part guide to heal any sexual challenges.The importance of prioritizing oneself and going at one's own pace.Episode References/Links:UK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comWinter Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/eventsHow to Make Your Own Pilates Sandbag - https://www.youtube.com/live/tn4yUcEQnnMSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsMissionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture by Dr. Celeste Holbrook - https://a.co/d/3UimUKxI Kissed Dating Goodbye by Joshua Harris - https://a.co/d/38uINCkI Survived I Kissed Dating Goodbye Documentary - https://streamable.com/1ldz9cEpisode 202: Jake Kelfer - https://beitpod.com/jakekelferIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  People who came from the culture that she did, which was like raised in a super, super strict religious home in purity culture, and so when she got married, she, for, like, it wasn't like, you can't just flip a switch, right? So she was like sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad. And then she gets married, and all of a sudden, sex is good. Lesley Logan 0:19  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:02  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the freeing convo I had with Dr. Celeste Holbrook in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and then listen to it, and then come back and join us here. I'm gonna tell you right now. We talked about sex, baby. So you're gonna wanna listen to it. I also have her book. I'm so excited about it. We talked about a lot of stuff it. We went all places. Yeah, we didn't really talk about positions or things like that. We just, like talked about the things that people don't talk about.Brad Crowell 1:36  Actually, you know what you talked about more than anything else, was communication.Lesley Logan 1:39  Yeah, oh, yeah, we did. Oh, and, you know, what's really interesting, her book is so timely at the time we're recording this in my fucking Instagram feed, some stupid man decided to talk about stinky coochies. Oh, yeah. And your coochie needs to be Christian if you don't want your husband to cheat on you. The fucking bullshit that people lie to women about. Lie, just bold face fucking lie. Brad Crowell 2:05  There's no such thing as a Christian coochie Go fuck yourself. That is insane. Lesley Logan 2:09  It also, also, also, I don't care what you believe, it is never your fucking fault if someone cheats on you, it's never your fault. It's always about them. There's something going on there. It's not your fault. Period.Brad Crowell 2:24  Yeah, I was incensed after watching that video. And there's a special place in hell for that pastor.Lesley Logan 2:30  Yeah, there really is. And then I just listened to an interview about some girls who were, like, raised in a purity culture, and I forgot, I had forgotten a lot of the shit that I was, like, told and now and then I read, I've been reading her book, and it's like, holy fuck. It's a wonder, it's a wonder women anywhere are having actual sex that's not painful. So anyways, go read her book. Go listen to that episode. We're gonna talk about some good stuff in a second. I promise. I promise. I do think that the world does get better at some point. I do. I do. I have to believe in that. Lesley Logan 3:00  Today is September 4th 2025 and it is National Wildlife Day. And on National Wildlife Day, hold on, I pulled up, oh. Brad Crowell 3:11  America marks National Wildlife day every year. Lesley Logan 3:14  No, no, no. Don't take this away from me. Brad Crowell 3:16  On September 4th. Lesley Logan 3:17  It's an opportunity for everyone to step back, take a deep breath and think about all that surrounds us. It is inspiring to consider preservation and conservation efforts that work to improve in the natural world, there remains so much to learn, as Henry David Thoreau once wrote, "In wildness is the preservation of the world." Okay, but we couldn't agree more, so let's take a closer look at this day. Yeah, go spend some time out in a preserve near you. We have a preserve near us. Brad Crowell 3:50  We do, it's really close. Lesley Logan 3:51  We actually have the wetlands. And then if we go up two hours, is a really cool preserve we can go camping at, people go fishing at, there's a fucking lake. Brad Crowell 3:58  There's one lake right here, like, a couple blocks from us. Lesley Logan 4:01  Oh, there is another preserve. Brad Crowell 4:02  Yeah, like, literally in the city, this preserve. Yeah.Lesley Logan 4:04  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So go find a preserve near you. You know, I know people like to get mad about the coyotes or the mountain lions that live there. They were there first, so take that in. And second, like it's, there's just something like, it's kind of cool that the way this wildlife that we live and go to a zoo. I mean, make sure it's a good one. But like, take it in, take in the wildlife. Because one, it's going away and. Brad Crowell 4:04  I think the zoo would be the opposite of wildlife.Lesley Logan 4:30  Okay, maybe. But I bet you, I bet you, some of them donate to wildlife. Maybe. Brad Crowell 4:35  I'm, you know. Lesley Logan 4:36  Go camping. Brad Crowell 4:36  They can be well intentioned. Lesley Logan 4:38  So what do you want them to do? Go camping? Brad Crowell 4:40  Yeah, go camping. Lesley Logan 4:41  This wasn't very clear. So I guess take a moment to consider how you're going to preserve the wildlife near you and conserve efforts, like your conservation efforts. You know, can you stop putting plastic straws near you know, water, like the ocean and things like that. The turtles are choking, you guys, so. Brad Crowell 5:02  Yeah, let's not choke any turtles. Lesley Logan 5:04  No, it's so sad, it' so sad. I can't watch those things. So anyway.Brad Crowell 5:07  Our neighbor has a tortoise. Lesley Logan 5:08  Yeah, Tortimer. Brad Crowell 5:09  Tortimer the tortoise, the tortoise, Tortimer the tortoise, and he's like, 15 or something.Lesley Logan 5:15  But he's not even a desert tortoise. He's an African, something tortoise but. Brad Crowell 5:19  Yeah, I can remember the name. Lesley Logan 5:20  Speaking of preservation out here in Vegas, So the desert tortoise is about to go extinct. There's actually we're having some huge problems with them, and have enough space for them, because they actually need flat desert land to crawl on. And then, of course, flat desert land is what everone wants to develop because. Lesley Logan 5:42  Was it extinct, or we're just destroying their habitat here? Lesley Logan 5:42  We're destroying their habitat here. Brad Crowell 5:43  Yeah, I'm not sure if this is their only environment. But, but, yeah, like the the Las Vegas Valley, you know, is expanding. They're expecting something like 400,000 people to move here in the next decade. And so they're, they're slapping together.Lesley Logan 5:53  The lack of rain is not deterring anyone so. Brad Crowell 5:55  Well, they're slapping together all these expansions all around the city in, you know. And basically, they're driving out the they're changing the desert landscape, which is driving away the turtles.Lesley Logan 6:03  And the desert tortoise can't live near the mountains because they don't climb rocks. They just walk on the flat desert. Also, also, I learned this fun fact, you like, they have, they have territories, right? Like, you can't have two male tortoises near each other, and they need to have a burrow during the hot part of the day, and if they don't know the area, you just can't pick up a tortoise and, like, move it to another part of the desert. They got to know where to burrow. So anyways, these are important things to know, and so if you live in an area that's got some wildlife, maybe take it upon yourself to find out what's going on, and your local city council meetings, and who's trying to develop those areas, and yell and scream because it's really cathartic, and you can save a wildlife animal near you. We are we've been recently yelling and screaming to keep Las Vegas loud, so downtown loud. So, you know, it's fun. It's fun to be part of things in the community, to, like, take care of other people. Okay, enough about this day. Lesley Logan 6:04  Coming up. Oh, like now we're actually. Brad Crowell 6:33  Yeah, we're literally en route. Lesley Logan 6:51  So we're in the U.K., by the way. Brad Crowell 6:57  We just we just landed. Lesley Logan 7:03  No, we've been here a day. We're in Scotland today. Yep, we are actually at the very top of Scotland. We're as far up as we can go. And because, that's because we're gonna take a little vacation, we're gonna see some interesting Scottish games, and then we're gonna drive all the way down to Essex, where we're teaching for two days The Movement Base. And there might be a couple spots left in the workshops, and then we're going up to Leeds to teach there on the weekend in September. So this is all happening in September, September 8th, 9th and 10th, and then 13th and 14th. Anyways, it's a Tuesday and Wednesday. Brad Crowell 7:33  I don't actually remember the specific dates, but a. Lesley Logan 7:36  And a Saturday and a Sunday and. Brad Crowell 7:38  Go to opc.me/uk for the specifics. Lesley Logan 7:41  Yeah, and don't miss out, because we're not coming back. Okay.Brad Crowell 7:46  Not anytime soon. Last time was two years ago, so yeah, you know, but yeah, we're never gonna be back. Lesley Logan 7:50  No, we'll come back. Then we're gonna go home for two days, and then we're going to go to Pilates on Tour in Chicagoland. Brad Crowell 7:56  Two days? Lesley Logan 7:57  Two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:58  Two weeks. Lesley Logan 7:59  Two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:59  Yeah, I was gonna say. Lesley Logan 7:59  Two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:59  Two weeks, we're home for two weeks. Lesley Logan 8:02  We're home for two weeks, and then we go to Chicagoland, no, just three weeks. Chicagoland. And the time that we're recording this, we heard it was 75% sold out. It's probably changed, but I think there's, I think the early bird ends next week, if there's any room, and then we'll be in Cambodia. And the time you're hearing this, you've got a month, you can still sign up, you can still buy a plane ticket, like there's still time,Brad Crowell 8:24  There's definitely still time. I'm still having conversations with people, and there's there's room, so.Lesley Logan 8:28  crowsnestretreats.comBrad Crowell 8:30  PS, if you have ever wanted to walk around with elephants, we go to an elephant sanctuary at the after the retreat is over, it's an extra curricular activity after that we love to do, and so we always stay an extra day. And we also go to a waterfall, which is super magical. And maybe that's the thing that you're just like, really that excited, you know, that's what you want to do. So I just want to throw those out there that you can join us for those, in addition to the retreat. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com, and come join us.Lesley Logan 9:05  Yeah, and we're as we're, by the time we're recording this, we're also trying to lock in a day of teaching in Singapore. So my Singaporeans, hello, we are coming your way. And then we're gonna go see the botanical garden. So if you wanna walk around the gardens with us, you can. Then, December is our winter tour, and we're getting a ton of people asking us if we're going to Texas, and things like New York, and things like that. Yes, it's in the winter tour. So go to opc.me/events to get on the waitlist for that because if you're on the waitlist, you hear right away. And let me tell you, when we announce our tours, some cities literally sell out, especially on the winter tour. So because we've been doing the winter tour the longest, and people are really excited about it. So, opc.me/events. Okay.Brad Crowell 9:43  You're not wrong. Lesley Logan 9:44  Before we get into. I know, I know. We went to bed after announcing it. Woke up, two cities were sold out.Brad Crowell 9:50  Two cities were sold out in less than 24 hours last year, yeah. Lesley Logan 9:53  Okay, all right, Brad, we have an audience question to answer. Brad Crowell 9:56  Yes, we do. Lesley Logan 9:57  And actually, this is really for you. Brad Crowell 9:59  Oh would you like to read the question? Lesley Logan 10:06  Yes. Brad Crowell 10:06  Okay. Lesley Logan 10:02  @gp_pilates_studio, that's Greenpoint Pilate studio, hi, Allyn, on YouTube asks about How to Make Your Own Pilates Sandbag video. Hey, Brad, what is the diameter, the diameter of the rope and cord, the paracord that we use? What's the diameter of it? Brad Crowell 10:16  Okay. So this was on a video that we made, Lesley and I made called How to Make Your Own Pilates Sandbag, right? And if you're familiar with the sandbag, it's the bar, and then there's the cord, and then there's the weights, and you can twist it back and forth. And so we actually made one our own, and we showed you how to make your own. So if you're interested in that, it's on YouTube. Great question here, Allyn, gp_pilates_studio on YouTube. So, it doesn't matter really what the diameter is. You don't want, like, you know, an inch thick piece of rope that would be just annoying and bulky. But what I used was just like your typical, like, cheapo bought it at the hardware store, nylon cord, you know, I think it was like 10 bucks for 100 meters of it, or something like that, you know, and they wrap it around that little h looking thing, and you just spin it around it, and it's like, you know, I don't know, like, there was no real diameter. It's just the smallest thing.Lesley Logan 11:13  Okay, I found it. I found it. Three-eights of an inch.Brad Crowell 11:16  Yeah, but, but honestly, if you get a quarter of an inch, it's fine, you know, I wouldn't. I probably, like, at a half an inch or an inch thick rope, it would just be annoying because you're twisting it around this, you know, it would, it would become like a spool, and that's just silly. So smaller is fine. The reality is, it just needs to support, you know, a pound or two pounds of weight, you know, so we're not, we're not trying to lift a house here. We're just.Lesley Logan 11:39  I'm pretty sure it's a three-eights of an inch one that looks like what we got. And also it, because I remember, it fits like, right through, if you just drill a hole we didn't get anything fancy.Brad Crowell 11:40  Yeah and I just, yeah, I just took a, you know, a quarter inch drill bit right through the middle, and then I just threaded that through. So as long as you can get the rope through, it's fine. That's really, you know, that all that matters.Lesley Logan 12:00  Yeah, I love it. So you can all make your own sandbag. We did it for the Accessories Deck, which is now shipping worldwide.Brad Crowell 12:07  Yeah. We actually did. We showed you how to build three different pieces of equipment. One was the push up handles. One was the the two by four, and then finally, was this one, this Pilates sandbag. So, yeah, great question. Thanks for that. If you have a question, you can text us at 310-905-5534, or you can submit your question or your win to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions and we kind of need you to submit y'all so we have some wins to talk about on our Friday pod so let's go. Let's go right now. Pull out your phone, go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions. All right, that's enough of that.Lesley Logan 12:50  You know how easy a win is. This is my new win. So, I have been trying to figure I love my I love my red light mask and neck. And when I got them, I was using them really regularly, and we got really busy and and I've everything else, all my other habits were really good, but that one is has just been hard to fit back in. And I saw the dermatologist, and he's like, yeah, my wife uses hers every night. And I said, oh, when? He was like, before bed, and you know, so she washes her face and she use them. I'm like, oh, I can do that. And so I have done it four nights in a row, right before bed. I just put them on my face and I lay there. And you know, what's crazy is, like, I actually am getting some really good, deep sleep, like I'm sleeping really well. And I think it's that there's a time before I fall asleep that I'm just laying there waiting to go to sleep. So that's a win. Brad Crowell 13:35  Like, it's on for like, 10 minutes. Lesley Logan 13:35  Yeah, it goes off on its own. So even if I fell asleep with them, like, I wouldn't want to do that, but I could fall asleep with them laying on my face, and like, you know, yeah. See how easy that was. I just came up with a win on the spot. Lesley Logan 13:41  That's a win on the spot. Lesley Logan 13:43  You can do it too. Brad Crowell 13:46  Yeah, yeah, I love it. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into this juicy conversation that we have with Dr. Celeste Holbrook, and also celebratory. It was really awesome. So we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 14:01  Okay, now let's talk about Dr. Celeste Holbrook. PhD, right? Yeah, she's no joke. Dr. Celeste Holbrook is a sex educator with a PhD in health behaviors and a post grad emphasis in sexual behaviors. She helps women and couples overcome challenges, heal from shame, and create better, more fulfilling sex lives. Her new book, Missionary Position: A Slightly Orreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture, tackles the complex interaction of sex, religion and personal freedom. Celeste is known for her practical, down to earth approach that makes conversations about sex accessible and empowering and honestly, not awkward. But she's just really good at making it just, it's just a conversation. It doesn't have to be the silly thing. Some, for some reason it's like, it feels like we revert to sixth grade whenever this this conversation comes out, and it's like everyone like, hee-hee-hees in the corner. It's so weird, and it's and you might not be doing it out loud, but you're kind of cringing a little on the inside. She just takes that whole thing away and, like, you know, I mean, it was, it was, she's very matter of fact, matter of factly talking about having dildos in her social media posts, you know, like, oh, okay, yeah, there's that. But, but yeah. I mean, she's, she's not being like, risque or weird about her the conversation. She's specifically serving people who came from the culture that she did, which was, like, raised in a super, super strict religious home in purity culture. And so when she, when she got married, she for, like, it wasn't like, you can't just flip a switch, right? So she was like, sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad. And then she gets married, and all of a sudden, sex is good. Like, that's not how it works in the body. And she had to tackle that. Lesley Logan 15:43  Yeah, definitely listen to her first interview on the show, because it actually goes into that if and, and I think it's really interesting. I think, like, even if you weren't raised in a super like, if you, if I, if I say purity culture, and you don't think automatically. Brad Crowell 15:55  That doesn't mean anything to you, right. Lesley Logan 15:55  And you never had a ring on your finger that was turned one different way, and you were, like, betrothed to your father until, until someone's picked for you. Laugh. Had that ring, guys. Brad Crowell 16:07  Not laugh. It's like a, it's like a sardonic shudder. Lesley Logan 16:11  Oh, I know. Because, like, we thought that was normal. Brad Crowell 16:13  Totally thought it was normal. Lesley Logan 16:15  Did you read the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye? Brad Crowell 16:16  Yeah. Oh yeah. Josh, Josh something, right? Lesley Logan 16:17  Yeah. I think he's come out and said everything I taught was wrong. I'm almost positive one of the guys.Lesley Logan 16:19  He got a follow up book and then I think he got, like, ostracized from the churches. Lesley Logan 16:26  Yeah, one, one of the, one of the purity culture dudes, and I think it's kiss dating guy, goodbye guy has come out and said his book was extremely harmful, and he doesn't believe that anymore. Brad Crowell 16:36  Joshua Harris. Lesley Logan 16:37  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so thank you, Josh for doing that. But like, for the women who are listening, if you have friends in your life, if you weren't raised like this, who literally were told that like that is the worst thing they could do is to as to at all make a man lust. If you did anything that can make a man lust, you were causing him to go to hell. So you are, like, doing everything you can to, like, not be, not be attractive, and not be feminine, and then you get married, and you're supposed to just be sexy and have sex and, like, make babies. And, you know, Dr. Celeste and many women, they actually go through this painful experience with sex. And maybe you don't have that, but also you don't actually know, and she talks a lot about communication. How do you want to feel like you were never taught that sex could be something that you could enjoy? A lot of women are taught, not taught that you can enjoy sex. Brad Crowell 17:23  I just went down the rabbit hole. He, 20 years after writing the book, I Kissed Dating Goodbye, Joshua Harris left the church he was pastoring, divorced his wife and made a document, a documentary about the repercussions of the book. Oh, I want to watch the documentary. It's called, I Survived I Kissed Dating Goodbye. Lesley Logan 17:47  Okay, well, we're watching that. That's tonight's show. The it's an eye and it's really interesting, because, like, I had a very interesting childhood where I there was definitely purity culture at the church, at the church camps I went to. My parents tried to do these things, and then also my parents would kick us out of the house so they could have sex. So, like, sex was a conversation that they had. My grandparents would talk about how they had sex a lot. So, like, I It's not like I I lived I knew that married couples had sex, right, so, but it's just the reason that I bring this up is I actually think a lot of women, whoa, you good? Brad Crowell 18:10  Sorry, I found it. Somebody pulled it off of YouTube. He doesn't have the rights to it, and so it was on YouTube for years. I'm still down the rabbit hole, y'all. This is (inaudible) online. I went to his own website, and I found a post, a blog post, from May, so two months ago, saying, I don't know why they pulled it off of YouTube. It used to be here. Here's a link to it. That was on a pirated website. I don't know how long it's going to be available, but you can still watch it. So, very interesting.Lesley Logan 18:54  Love him. Okay, we do need to get back to Dr. Celeste. Brad Crowell 18:54  Sorry, I'm focused. I'm in. Okay. Lesley Logan 18:57  So I, I just, I'm really obsessed with what Dr. Celeste is doing, because I just know too many women who, whether or not you had a ring and you're were married to, like, dating your dad, until you were dating someone else, you were not offered the opportunity to understand that you could feel good during sex. Like, that's just very few people. Some, some people had brilliant mothers who were like hippies and like, told about that that is not, that is not most of my friends' experience. So, so one of the things, so, get her book, okay, you'll get her book. So she said American society tends to view sex in binary extremes, but it's rather a more nuanced middle ground. And we've seen this. You can see this in social media today. Like, people don't think that sex and gender are two different things. They are. Like, so, like what you're what you're attracted to, and like the gender. All these there's there's differences, and it's not so black and white, and everyone wants to make it like this is how it is, where sex is often placed on either end of the spectrum, either don't think about it or don't talk about it until a certain age or a marriage. And then that makes it really difficult. Because you know, most of the things, like, when you're a little kid, everyone asks, like, what do you want to be when you grow up? So you have your whole life to change your mind. You're like, I'm gonna be a judge. I'll be this. And you get to, like, explore and take classes and to do that. And when you're in this country, most people, like, don't do sex, don't have sex, don't get pregnant. And girls are also taught it's your fault if you get pregnant and there's something wrong, like you did something wrong. Yeah, if you get pregnant.Brad Crowell 20:22  Well, your shoulder straps were too skinny, that's why you're pregnant. Lesley Logan 20:26  Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you're married. So now you should know, you should know how to do sex. You should know what, what to do, but no one let you talk about it. No one like, it's just a whole mess. It's a mess. It's a mess. So anyways, I really like, that's why she wrote her book. But she also explained, we are not binary people, as far as what we want to do in our sex life. And she said, like, she advocates living in the glittery middle, like, just like, you know, like, it doesn't have to, like, just because you liked it one way, at some point is like, another way. Brad Crowell 20:54  So, just so that, like, we like, when we say binary, I think what she's what she's saying there is, it's okay for sex to change over time. Because the conversation you were having is like, you know, sex is, is different at different stages of life, right? When you're, you know, in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 70s, like, it changes, right? And so that's I, you know, I think that makes, that makes sense.Lesley Logan 21:21  And she so, she advocates for that glittery middle and, like, also, you know, exploring and, and it's, I think what's interesting is, like, she is so open to, like, helping you figure out what you want. And I have some amazing, interesting friends in this world. I have one friend who, like, has a partner who's a sexual, has a partner that she dates, but they date someone else, and then she prefers to have one other one. And I'm like, like, the 12 year old me is like, oh my god, what the fuck are you doing? Like, that's so weird. And then, like, the person who's like, gone through some work, done a lot of reading, I'm like, that is very fascinating. I don't like looking at my calendar that much, and that sounds like way too many. Brad Crowell 22:03  It's a lot of scheduling. Lesley Logan 22:04  A lot of scheduling. It's also a lot of testing, it's a lot of things. But she looked at me and she's, like, 10 years? Like, are you bored? So like, you know, it's really funny how we all have a different thing and she and Dr. Celeste is just like, advocating for, like, live in your glittery middle, understand that you're what you're gonna want out of your sex life is gonna change, and that's okay, and that's there's nothing wrong with you as it changes. Like, just explore that. And so she basically said you could decide what is best for you, and that right there is like the opposite of what purity culture and dickhead people in this country want you to think. They don't want you to think it's what's best for you. They want you to think it's what's best for the dick headed man they think you should be married to. Anyways.Lesley Logan 22:05  Tell me more about how you feel. Lesley Logan 22:12  Fucking Christian coochie. That's never gonna leave my mind. Lesley Logan 22:36  Yeah. Like, what a woman hater. Gross.Lesley Logan 22:58  That's the interesting thing. Like, I think a lot of, I think a lot of people in that world just don't like women. But it's, anyways.Brad Crowell 23:05  Yeah. Well, I mean, I was gonna say as a comment to that, you know, how do you get to the point, like, the reason I made the comment at the beginning was that it was mostly about communication. Is because, if you have been with someone for a long time, what does it look like to have that conversation of, like, things are changing and shifting in your sex life, you know? How is that? What does that mean? And, like, you know, I'm not talking about like, like, promiscuity. It could be that, you know, but, but, but maybe it's just simple things like, hey, you know what? Like, I want to make it I want to change it up, you know. Like, let's change it up today, you know, whatever, and but the communication is where I think it gets awkward, and hopefully, you know, with your partner, you have the the type of relationship where you can just simply have a conversation about it. Lesley Logan 23:55  Also, I really, am I gonna take away your takeaway talking points? I really loved how she talked about the funny, like the faking the orgasm, is that in your section?Brad Crowell 24:05  My section, no, I was talking about how things changed over time. In fact, I even jumped ahead to it without realizing it myself. Fawning is really interesting, if you're not familiar with the definition. What is fawning?Lesley Logan 24:16  So essentially, like, there's flight, fright, fight, right? And I used to, when I studied biology, it was like, and fuck, like, some people, well, that's like, it's all part of the same part of your brain system. So that's kind of funny, but fawn is like, this, like, people-pleasing, or you've seen it in movies where the guy gets really mad and he hits her, and then she's like, oh, it's okay. Actually, that was my fault. I tripped into you. Like, they do this whole, you know, like, you're okay, everything's like, and acting like, really small and toss out like a little lamb, and then that makes a person, usually a man, like, calm down. Everything's fine. She talked about faking orgasms as a fawning response, as a people-pleasing response, and we talked, oh my, you guys have to listen to this, because she talked about, like, she believes in being honest, but also being kind. And we taught and like. Brad Crowell 25:03  She said there was a difference between honesty and full transparency. She said she doesn't believe in full transparency, but she does believe in honesty, and she said people can use full transparency as honesty and be cutting and hurtful, right? Lesley Logan 25:20  Because, like, because she also has, and this is an interesting thing. If you have been faking orgasms in your entire marriage, it's you can't always just blame your partner, because you never told them what it would take to please you, and so they're just doing what you have responded to in the past, you know? So it's a and I thought was really fascinating. So it's like, yes, be honest, like, hey, I would like to try something different that's no longer working for me. And so then it's not something that you're rejecting the other person or making them feel like shit, and you're also able to then start articulating what you want. And it does take practice. You're right. It's all about communication. It's such you guys have to go listen. If you have, you gotta listen, go, listen. Brad Crowell 26:00  Yeah. And just to wrap that up there, you know, as things change over time, she said, hey, we mature as humans. Why wouldn't our sex life mature too? And it's important to allow our sex life to mature as we mature. It's the most helpful thing that we can do for ourselves. So, you know, I just thought it was really a topic that nobody ever talks about that's really helpful. So, yeah, there's a lot of room to allow ourselves compassion to grow as we grow, right? And then, you know, and that's like.Lesley Logan 26:30  Oh, you guys, I mean, when you get older, when you get older, like, your bones get brittle. So, like, there's going to be some positions that neither person, no matter what your gender is and who you want to have sex with, can do, like, you're gonna have to start doing sideways sex, because, like, you could fucking break your pelvis or a hip. So, like, just start getting.Brad Crowell 26:49  You could break it while fucking is what you meant to say. Lesley Logan 26:52  Yeah, that too. But anyway, so just like, if, if this is a conversation that you are, like, already going, I don't know if I can have this. Read her book, follow her, because the more I do, the more I might able to go, oh, what an interesting thing that I haven't been able to articulate that was really helpful. Thanks so much, you know. So anyways.Brad Crowell 27:13  Yeah, well stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items that we have with Dr. Celeste Holbrook. Brad Crowell 27:20  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Celeste Holbrook? She said, hey, I've got a four-part guide, and you should use it. And she maps it out in detail in her book, but high level, it's the analyst, the assassin, the healer and the explorer. And I thought, this is kind of cool. And she said, she said, it's like the archetypal woman. So the analyst helps you understand, what are we actually carrying around? Is the are these mental bags full of shame, full of neglect, full of fear, right? And then the assassin is taking what the analyst has found. So this is like a progression, right? So it's not just like you're only stuck in one it seems like this is a progression. So the assassin then is taking what the analyst has found and is just slicing through it, like deconstructing, you know, the, in her case, she's specifically talking about purity culture, and, like, all the baggage that we're saddled with from that kind of a thing. And then after the assassin is the healer who facilitates, like, she helping regenerate ideas about sex through, like, education.Lesley Logan 28:34  Yeah, right. Re-education.Brad Crowell 28:36  Yeah, gentle re-education about what is sex and what's okay. And, you know, like, why do we have this guilt around sex and, like, what, like, why does that even like, there's just a lot of history that blows my mind. Finally, we have the explorer, like, you know where you've kind of, after you've gone through some healing, you're now, like, feeling more confident, more willingness to, you know, be like, explore having sex, right? And you know that could be with your partner, with yourself, or whatever, you know. So, yeah, it's an interesting, like, progression out of.Lesley Logan 29:11  I think it's a cool idea of a process, because it it if you think, oh, my god, I have to figure all this out, or you might hear about the explorer part and be like, what the I you can't even wrap your head around that. It's because you got to go through the process. Brad Crowell 29:23  Yeah, and I think it's great, because it really sets her up. Like, you know, she's she, she jokingly said a lot of my conversations are pretty boring, like, what? Because she's got clients, one-on-one, clients and, and it's not, they're not like, crazy, like, it's, it's not, it's not, like, telling, not story time. She's actually, you know, helping people go through the process that she created here. So it depends on what's, you know, part of the flow that you're in, you know, might just simply be analysis for a while, you know, and coming to terms with it. And then it won't be until you've come to terms with that you can move on to the next phase. And but what's great is that she has a process. And I think that's really cool. Lesley Logan 30:01  Yeah, she also has a couple other things for you, which is something you can repeat. She said to, free to repeat, I prioritize myself by allowing myself to go at my own pace. I prioritize myself by allowing myself to go at my own pace. I think that is so important, no matter what the topic is, no matter what you're trying to be it till you see, like, if you got nothing out of this episode but that affirmation, great. And she also, we've talked about her being like a slow reader and like her writing and all that stuff. And she, she really learned to prioritize herself and appreciate being considerate and slow and thoughtful. Like, that's actually her prioritizing herself by her, not quite I'm a slow reader, but instead going, I am a slow reader, so I am going to be considerate and slow and thoughtful. That's how I do things. Brad Crowell 30:47  Yeah and give myself the time and space to do that. Lesley Logan 30:49  I thought that was so cool. Like, what a, what an amazing way to prioritize yourself is to, like, do the things the way you you need to do them. Brad Crowell 31:00  Yeah and that's like, you know, across any element of life, it's not just, you know, around sex, so I think that's great.Lesley Logan 31:06  And then finally, she said, and this is for your sexual life, she said, where the goal for sexual choice is to be your decision, and not one manipulated by society or cultural values or religious values, and I think that is so important, because even if you aren't someone who is religious, but maybe your culture had a different kind of pressure, or a different way of seeing your body, or maybe you feel a different way with society. Your sexual life is your and choices are your decision, and not wanting to be manipulated by anybody else. So I think that's so important. I just fucking love her. I wish she lived closer. I want to have coffee with her all the time. Brad Crowell 31:43  Yeah, she was a lot of fun to listen to. And also her story about how her book came to be, what a roller coaster. That was, how cool that, you know, that you were a part of it. I think that's pretty neat. Lesley Logan 31:53  Honestly, honestly, like, this is like, you know, like, everything happens for a reason, like how we interviewed him two years ago. Jake. And I forget how Jake got to me. I actually. Brad Crowell 32:05  I think he was connected through. Lesley Logan 32:07  Somebody told no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's a Christian. Lori Harder friend, person, so somebody sent Jake to me. And then. Brad Crowell 32:16  Jake Kelfer. Lesley Logan 32:17  Yeah, and then, and then I watch Celeste stuff, but sometimes she ends up not in my feed because of algorithms. And that day, I just happened to not only watch, but like, actually turn, like, read the whole thing. And I was like, what's going on? I tap through. I watched every story, and I was and I was just like, call me, I got, so but, like, it's just like.Brad Crowell 32:36  Jake. Jake was interviewed on episode 202. Lesley Logan 32:38  But this is how you, you can't this is something for me too, we can't worry, oh my god, what if I missed out on this? Because, like I had I was meant to watch her stories on that day, like I was meant to, because it could have been so easy for me to not pick up my phone that day and not watch them. There was a reason why I opened my phone up and I watched her stories. I do not watch that many people's stories, and it was because I was supposed to see them and introduce her to Jake. That was my whole goal. That was, like, the universe working for her. Universe was like, okay, Celeste, we're going to make sure Lesley sees it, because Lesley knows Jake, and you need to know Jake. Boom, it's done. And, like, she had to write the book. I love it. I love it. I love you, Dr. Celeste Holbrook, I love the book. You guys, go get it. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 33:22  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 33:23  Thank you so much for being you. Now. Go share this with a friend who needs to hear it, and go get her book. And go leave us a review, because we really appreciate that. And go be it till you see it.Brad Crowell 33:34  Yeah. And just one last time. Her book is called Missionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture. Lesley Logan 33:41  I love it so much. I love it so much. Brad Crowell 33:44  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 33:46  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 34:28  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 34:33  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 34:38  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 34:44  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 34:48  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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In this empowering conversation, Lesley Logan welcomes back sex educator Dr. Celeste Holbrook to talk about her new book Missionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture. Together they unpack healing from harmful narratives, navigating seasons of change in your sex life, and discovering the ‘glittery middle,' where you get to define pleasure, intimacy, and authenticity on your own terms.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to let your sex life evolve with every stage of life.The five-year journey and setbacks behind Celeste's debut book.The four archetypes for healing and reclaiming sexual agency.Why faking orgasms is a “fawn response” and how to break the cycle.The freedom of defining your own sexual ethic in the “glittery middle”.Episode References/Links:Dr. Celeste Holbrook's Website - www.drcelesteholbrook.comDr. Celeste Holbrook's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/drcelesteholbrookDr. Celeste Holbrook on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/DrCelesteHolbrookMissionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture by Dr. Celeste Holbrook - https://a.co/d/3UimUKxA Well-Trained Wife by Tia Levings - https://a.co/d/ibRaesYFourth Wing Series by Rebecca Yarros - https://a.co/d/7Qhgk2REp. 202: Jake Kelfer - https://beitpod.com/jakekelferEp. 265: Daniella Mestyanek Young - https://beitpod.com/daniellayoungGuest Bio:Dr. Celeste Holbrook is a sex educator, speaker, and small-town Texas horse girl who's on a mission to make conversations about sex less awkward and way more empowering. With a Ph.D. in Health Education from Texas Woman's University and a thriving virtual practice, Celeste helps people create lives filled with pleasure, connection, and confidence—starting in the bedroom. After years of struggling with pain and shame around sex, she set out to find answers no one else could give her—and ended up becoming the expert she needed. Today, she guides women toward pleasurable sex by helping them understand their bodies, claim their worth, and ask for what they want without apology. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:02  Hey, Be It babe, okay, this might be the first guest that is coming on for a third appearance. I think she won. I could be wrong, but I think she won. Dr. Celeste Holbrook is back. She's back. We're gonna talk about a couple of things. We're gonna talk about sex, we're (inaudible) we're gonna talk about her book. We're gonna talk about the journey that one goes on to get their work out into this world. And so even if you are like, I don't want to talk about the sex part, like, well, we should talk about the sex part. That's actually what we should do. But I want you to hear this, because I think it's so easy to hear people on a podcast go, oh, it's so easy for them because they got on a podcast, like, it's so easy, and you don't hear all the doors that get shut all the time. And I also am excited for you to hear like there are people in this world who just want to help each other out, and I think we need evidence of that. And I'm super, super excited that I get to be a cheerleader for amazing humans in this world like that. When I think about my, like, genius zone or something like that. Like, sometimes I think it's that I just get to cheer on people who are doing hard things and go, I see you, and you're doing great. And I can't wait. I can't wait. So guys, I'm gonna stop this, because we're gonna get right into we get right into it. And if you have this is the first time you're hearing about Dr. Celeste Holbrook, I really encourage you to go back to the first two episodes we did together. Go do the oldest one, then the second one, because I think you'll get a full picture of everything. We talked about a lot of good stuff. So she's gonna change your life. All right, here she is. Lesley Logan 2:31  All right, all right. So you guys, we're just gonna get right into this episode. Dr. Celeste Holbrook is back. You guys, third time won't be the last time. I somehow have to have her on annually. I think, Celeste, can you tell everyone why you're back. Let's just get in. Let's just start there. Celeste Holbrook 2:46  Okay, so I'm so excited, I can't even, like, contain myself. So I'm back because I have a book out, and I have a book really, truly because of Lesley Logan, because I have tried to publish this book for so long with traditional publishing, and I just got closed door after closed door after closed door for a lot of different reasons, which maybe we do and don't go into, I don't know, but Lesley reached out to me and was like, Celeste, I have this company. They do professional publishing. They're really great, and I just latched onto it, and I did every single thing that they suggested, and it was such a beautiful experience. So the whole point of this is I have a book, and I have a book because of you, and I want to aggressively love you today for encouraging me to do this.Lesley Logan 3:38  I am taking all that love also like this podcast, is why you have it, because I met that guy, because I interviewed him. And I have to, like, I'm not even I'll have to go back to the archives to figure out how I got this person, but I interviewed him, and I'm like, I really like this person. Like, I think he's great. Like, I've written a book, and I would have loved his help. Then, because I met him and had him on the pod, we had three of our clients use him, so I got to see from different perspectives how it was so when, and here's the thing, you were always on my feed, like, the algorithm would always, like, send you, and I like, just love all your stuff. And then it, like, kind of stopped, because I don't know that's how the algorithm works. And I happened to look at your stories, it was your stories, I'm pretty sure, and you were sharing this thing. And I'm not normally someone who's like, let me go in on the six minutes of a story. But I was like, I'm procrastinating. I'm in and so I was like, wow, what perfect timing this was, because I could have easily missed that whole section. And so I just want to, I'm just so grateful for divine like, I think that, like, there's divine appointments and divine interventions in a non-church way, guys, but we're meant to be in each other's lives and this book. Okay, so I guess, in case people don't know who you are, maybe we should do a quick like, who are you? Because we have new listeners, right? Hi, new listeners. You're going to want to go back to the other two. We're going to link them in the show notes. But can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Celeste Holbrook 4:57  Yes, absolutely. So my name is Dr. Celeste Holbrook, I am a sex educator, and I have a PhD in health behaviors with a postgraduate emphasis in sexual behaviors. So I help people, a lot of women and lots of couples, figure out how to make sex better, whether that is they are experiencing pain or they're experiencing shame from growing up in like, ultra religious household, or they just need, like, some help through menopause or through after having a baby or things like that. So I am your very practical sexual health help. That's what I do. Lesley Logan 5:38  I love it the practical because, you know, like, I will say, having lived in L.A. and going to different sex shops, you don't look like the person who works the sex shop. Celeste Holbrook 5:48  No, no. Lesley Logan 5:50  Not to like, like to stereotype. But there's a, there would be a type that, like, works at the sex shop, and it's not you.Celeste Holbrook 5:56  Yeah, no, it's not me. And I just want to be super accessible, because not everybody wants to, like, swing from the chandeliers all the time. You know, a lot of people are out there just struggling to find the time to connect. Like, I cannot tell you how many times I have had a conversation about what to do with the dog in your bedroom when you want to have sex so the dog's not looking over at you or jumping on the bed, or, like, these are the practical applications that we are talking about in sex education in my consult sessions.Lesley Logan 6:27  Yeah, well, and because, because I think everyone's just so overwhelmed, like I saw something, and someone's stories, and they're like, went to their friend, their niece's like, soccer game, and she's like, looking around just like, no wonder no one's having sex. Like everybody is at the soccer game and they're exhausted, and then get the soccer game they're fighting about to do or you forgot the thing. Like, no, no answer. But nobody wants to have sex after this. Celeste Holbrook 6:53  No, no. Why would you want to have sex after that? Exactly right. That's exactly right, yep. Lesley Logan 6:59  So, so I want to touch on, like, there's a lot of different chapters, and maybe this is something that your book covers, but like, there's, you know, I think when we're younger and like, it feels like it's easier to do things, maybe, and then you get older, and like, there's more responsibilities and there's more stuff to think about. And like, it becomes something that goes away, and then your hormones change. So, in your book, do you cover, like, the journeys that were all going on, or is it more specifically for people from the purity culture, like, what? What were you excited to write about?Celeste Holbrook 7:30  Sure. So the book is called, I have the manuscript and printed out right here. It's called Missionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture. So I do take the approach of, like you growing up in a purity culture background, in, like, a high demand religion background, evangelical culture, things like that. But the book is in four parts. So like a four-part guide to basically healing, and you can apply these steps to any issue you are having in sex. So, yes, I do talk quite a bit about the effects of purity culture and how to overcome those effects. But it can, you can apply it to, you know, the trauma you had from a sexual assault. You can apply it to just the doldrums of being married to the same old penis for like, 20 years or whatever, you know, like you can apply these steps to anybody. So basically, there's four steps, and I have made them into archetypal women. So your first step is your analyst. She's like, the nerd she's looking at, like, okay, what are we carrying around? What does your backpack look like that you're carrying around? Is it full of shame? Is it full of neglect? Is it full of fear? Like she's the analyst. Your second archetypal woman is your assassin. She's she is taking what the analyst has found, and she is just like, slicing through it, right? She's your assassin. She's your inner assasin. She's your deconstruction, basically. Your third archetypal woman is your healer. So after you've done the work of understanding what's in your backpack, slicing out what needs to go, then your healer starts helping you regenerate your ideas about sex through a gentle reeducation. So we're relearning about some things that maybe we have always thought one way about. Maybe we're relearning about the idea of virginity. We're relearning the I about masturbation. We're relearning about what great sex is, right? The healer is our gentle reeducation, and then our fourth archetypal women woman is our explorer, and she's like, gonna try some new things. She's gonna go to the sex toy store, she's going to touch herself in a new way, and maybe, if that's too much, maybe she's gonna try sex with the lights on, right. And so these are the four women. They represent four steps, and within each step there are some really practical things that you can do to help move you to the next step. So you can apply this to any issue you're having in sex, and get to the other side where you're trying, you're you're now exploring, you're trying new things.Lesley Logan 10:12  I that's a way. I mean, well, like an archetype. I like that. And I've, you've been on my mind a lot lately, because society is quite interesting right now, like the trad wife situation. I'm like, that looks really beautiful. Like, I would love, like, I have white countertops. I'd love them to clean all the time. I'm certainly not capable of doing it. But I'm like, I don't know that. I think they're doing a really good job marketing a beautiful esthetic without realizing, like, all the stuff that comes with that, you know, like, all the religious stuff that comes with that, and how that can harm how we feel about our bodies. And I, I like, was raised in purity culture, and I didn't think it affected me. I'm like, I'm good. But actually, no, actually, I remember, like, I remember, oh, it does, because you're like, you think that you're like, oh, I'm on that. I'm that doesn't affect that like you, you start to realize, even if you weren't raised in church, just the way that public school systems have appropriated some of the modesty rules, like what you're told, what you can wear to school and and how thick this the tank top strap can be, and you can't be disruptive, even though the boys' pants are halfway down their legs, and I'm looking at underwear all the time. You know, I think that even for people who weren't raised where they're told, like, your father has you until you're given away to someone else, there is some level where all of us were affected by like, don't be a distraction. Don't, make sure you don't wear that so you don't look like a certain like you're not attracting bad people, you know, that kind of a thing.Celeste Holbrook 11:44  Yeah, I totally agree, Lesley. I think that there's very few people in the United States that have a great, comprehensive, inclusive sex education. I think very few of us. I think this is changing, and hopefully with, you know, recycle breaking next and next generations, but American society in general wants to put sex on either end of a spectrum. We want to either like, don't think about it. Don't talk about it. This is not for you until you are reaching a certain age or marriage or whatever, and then on the other side is like, why aren't you liberated enough to have all to do all these things you know, like, so there's these two, like, ends of the spectrum, and all of us really live in the middle. Yeah, none of us is really on either side at all, but we but it like breaks America's brain to try and think about, like, living outside of one of those two spectrums. So I talk about in the book about the non, about the non-binary. We are not binary people. As far as what we want to do in our sex life, and figuring out, how do you live in the middle area, which we often call gray, but I call glitter. Yes, it's the most fabulous place to live is in the middle, in this glittery middle, where you get to define your own sex ethic based on your value system, on your intuition, on your sex education, and you get to decide what works best for you. And maybe that is boundaries around when you have sex awesome, as long as it's your choice that's amazing. And maybe that is opening your relationship up and trying swinging or whatever it is that's awesome as long as it's your decision and not one manipulated by society or cultural values or religious values.Lesley Logan 13:27  Yeah, I think that's, I think I like to think about that even this thing, it's, you're right, it's America, it's people like, I'm in Pilates industry. And I said something the other day where I was like, well, you can say that, but it doesn't like, there's also the idea that we could prepare people for an exercise, right? And this person, like, went off on me, and I was like, so you need to understand that what you're mad about me is what you're doing here. Second, Pilates is not black or white. It's not this or that. It's a lot of gray. It's a lot of glitter, like glitter. It's like, because our bodies are different and where we are in our practice, where we are in our life, maybe what season we're in, maybe you're in a season of young children, it's going to be very different what you're wanting and ready for, and have the capacity to take on versus they're teenagers and out of the house and really don't care where you are versus you don't have kids at all. Like, there's all these different seasons. And I think we are like, oh, this is how I've always liked it, so this is how I have to keep liking it. Celeste Holbrook 14:25  Yes, yes, that's so wise, Lesley, that's so wise. I think there are a lot of and we talked about this in our last on our last podcast together, a lot of the similarities between what happens in sex and what happens in like a Pilates, a workout space or Pilates space, as far as how we view our bodies and what we feel is like, right, or what we feel is appropriate, I guess, for our bodies like I should be wanting this, because that's what I did when I was 27 or I should be looking like this, because that's what I looked like when I was whatever, 30 or whatever. And I think there's lots of room to allow ourselves compassion to grow as we grow in our sex life, in our workouts and whatever, expecting your sex life to look the same when you are 20 and 30 and 50 and 70 is not helpful for you, and so allowing it to mature as you mature is the most helpful thing that you can do for yourself, I think, when, when it comes to your sex life. Lesley Logan 15:28  Yeah, we'll keep talking about this, it'll come up. But I do, I do want to go back to like, the journey of this book, because this book has been in you for a really long time. And I think whether or not people want to write a book, you can insert goal, whatever your goal is, because you we will all in trying to get something out into the world or get something that we desire done, hit roadblocks. So you hit some roadblocks. Can we talk about, how many years of roadblocks? Can we talk about what you like, what kind of roadblocks you were hitting and, like, how did you keep going? Because quite honestly, I'm surprised you even told the story, you know what I mean, like, I'm surprised you didn't go, okay, well, that's that, the door, the door has been slammed shut.Celeste Holbrook 16:12  Yeah, yeah. And I really appreciate you asking this, because I know sex is really fun to talk about, but this is, like, my personal, like, lifelong dream is to have a book, and it feels really, I feel really seen when you ask about the process of it, and when I think about the be it, you know, be it till you see it, bold, executable. I think I'm getting this right, intrinsic, targeted, so I think about my word for this year was bold. So that was like, my like, I gotta be more bold. I want to say what I want to say. I don't want to be making myself smaller anymore. So the story behind the book, I have always thought about writing a book. I myself am a slow reader. I don't read very fast, and I for a long, long time I thought I was dumb because I don't read very fast, which is silly when I think about it now, but all growing up, I was slower than all of my friends reading. It was frustrating to read. And I've just, I like, I was still a good student. I still did all of the things that I needed to do, but I just, I just took time. I just took more time to write, to read all of those things, and I think in part, that's what made me get a PhD, because I wanted to prove to myself that I wasn't dumb. Turns out, I'm not dumb. I just am. I need to go at my own pace. And so one of the things that you talk about a lot on the podcast is like, how do you prioritize yourself? I prioritize myself by allowing myself to go at my own pace, like I can read as slow as I need to read, I can answer emails as slow as I need to answer emails. It's frustrating to me and other people, but at the end of the day, like it, it's honestly who I am. I'm just considerate and slow and thoughtful, and I've learned to like that about myself instead of hate that about myself. So the idea of writing a book was really, like tantalizing to me, but I had a lot of insecurities about my ability to actually do it. I'd written a dissertation, which is I, in my opinion, harder because it's boring. Lesley Logan 18:19  Yeah, yeah, no, that's one of the reasons why I, like, stopped going to school. I was like, I can't write another boring paper.Celeste Holbrook 18:25  Oh, my God. Like, who's reading? Like, my mom didn't even read it. She's like, oh, congratulations. It's like, collecting dust, right? So I had done that, and so I thought, like, well, if I'd written a dissertation, it just take you just take a chunk at a time. I can surely write a book. So in 2000 and let's see 2016, Nate and I was like, Nate, I really want to write a book. I'm going to go to a writer's conference. So he's like, great, let's go. I was like, found one in Hawaii. He's like, even better, let's go.Lesley Logan 18:55  I love, I love when a goal and a tax write off can be in a place you want to go. Celeste Holbrook 19:01  That's right, that's exactly right. We ended up getting a tent. There's like, these glamping tents on Maui that you can get, and it's just, like, really fun. It's like, on the beach, but you still have, like, sort of a bathroom, you know. But so we're, like, we needed to do it on cheap, because we were kind of broke, like, got these glamping tents, and I went to these writers conference during the day, and Nate did whatever during the day was at this writing conference, and it was through Hay House, and there was a contest. So if you went to the writers conference and you wrote a proposal, you could enter it in, and they were going to pick three writers to to give a book deal to, I would, and this is me being so sure of myself. Like, yes, I've spent a lot of time feeling insecure that about my reading and writing. But for the most part, my whole life, I have been, like, with no good reason, confident. Like, I'm just like, I don't know, confident.Lesley Logan 19:53  Yeah. I mean, that's cool. That's a great that's so many people don't inherently have that. I. And like to kind of have that and then use it is a wonderful, it's a wonderful thing. Celeste Holbrook 20:06  Yeah, I just, I just was like, no, I'm gonna get this, you know, I'm gonna write this proposal. People are gonna love it. I'm gonna get this competition. Anyway, long story short, did not win any (inaudible). Lesley Logan 20:16  Oh, I thought this was going towards you won. Oh, my God, she won. It. (inaudible) second look. I automatically just assumed you're gonna slay. So I'm just like, she won.Celeste Holbrook 20:32  This is about closed doors, Lesley. Lesley Logan 20:34  Okay, that's true. That's true. Celeste Holbrook 20:36  Yes. So I did not win. I was for sure I was gonna win, did not win, not even, like, a hello, right? So I was like, oh, maybe I need to work a little harder. So I had this whole proposal. My book was like, looking back, I'm like, I'm so glad that I didn't win. My book was called Sexual Wealth. Lesley Logan 20:54  Oh, yeah, that's that's not you.Celeste Holbrook 20:57  It's not me. I was like, it was like, sex through finance, bro language or something. And I was just like, this is a terrible idea, but the spark was there, like, I really wanted to write a book. So that was 2016 I kind of held onto it, thought about it, kind of put it in a drawer for a while. In 2019 I got on a fairly large podcast with Jen Hatmaker, so she's an author, and she does a lot of work in, like the ex-evangelical space, or had started down that road. So I got on this podcast through just like pitching. I got on this podcast. It's pretty big, big podcast. And not long after that, a person from HarperCollins, like a division of Harper Collins, reached out to me and said, hey, have you ever considered writing a book? So the publisher reached out to me, which is very unusual. Lesley Logan 21:47  That is cool, though. Yes. Celeste Holbrook 21:49  Yeah, yeah, very unusual. Usually, you are pitching to publishers. So they heard me on the podcast, and they were like, hey, you know, we're interested in you submitting a proposal. I'm like, I'm freaking out. Like, this is so exciting, right? I realize I probably need representation, so I get a literary agent. I kind of shop around and get a literary agent. She's amazing, Rochelle, and I end up pitching my proposal. I worked it out, you know, I update it from sexual wealth to something else. I update it, I pitch it, and they're pretty slow. The publishing industry is so slow, you know this, you know this, so slow. Lesley Logan 22:24  I have watched too many of my friends write books. I'm so great. I'm proud of all of them. But also the ones that have gone traditional publishing, it is slow, like molasses moves faster, you guys. That's, you know, like, just don't bet on don't hold your breath.Celeste Holbrook 22:40  Oh my gosh, it's the slowest process of all time. And so I was like, okay, I, you know, they reached out to me. So I'm here in my very confident space, like, oh no, they're gonna laugh. Yeah, they're gonna choose. They reached out to me. Why wouldn't they choose me? At this point, I have like, 1500 followers. I have, like, I have no platform, right? I still have a very small platform, but a bunch of really engaged, lovely humans. So I'm, I'm fairly sure they're going to choose me. Eventually, months and months and months later, they get back to me and they're like, yes, we want it is literally like, I don't know, six months later, they're like, we want to offer you a contract, and we want to go under contract, just small. It's a $20,000 contract. They're gonna pay me 10,000 upfront, and then 10,000 the book publishes. I was like, great, I have to pay out my agent too. So I'm I'm coming home with like, $8,500. I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Just to get one dime to like (inaudible).Lesley Logan 23:36  I mean that you got anything, because it's not, it's not always normal that even a first time writer gets anything until the book sells. So, yeah.Celeste Holbrook 23:44  Yes. So I was thrilled. I was thrilled. So I started writing my little heart out. They don't actually give me anything, a contract or anything, until my my my first draft is due. So I turned in my first draft and then they signed me. So I write the whole book without a contract. So submit the first draft. This is like March of 2020, so keep that in, put to context. Things that are. Lesley Logan 24:08  Things are things are going on. Celeste Holbrook 24:10  Things are going on. What's happening? So I get my first round of edits back. I'm still super excited. And then in July, my agent calls me, and she's like, I hate to have this conversation with you, but your book has been orphaned. Your editor left the company, and nobody else wants to pick it up. Lesley Logan 24:32  No, no. Celeste Holbrook 24:35  Yeah. So this is like, in the big scheme of things, like, it was the way it needed to work out, because they were already giving me feedback. It was the (inaudible) the imprint. And I'm not trying to slander any publishing industry, but this is just what happened to me, right? I was getting feedback of, like, oh, I don't know if you should, like, go that hard. Or I don't know if you should. You might alienate readers. If you talk about religion in this way, or, you know, this is you're gonna lose your Catholic audience. I'm like, I'm not trying to make the Catholics happy. I'm sorry. Lesley Logan 25:12  Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I interviewed, I don't know if it was in my interview, but when I was talking with Daniella Mestyanek Young who wrote Uncultured, she was only allowed to talk about three sexual like, misconduct, things that happened to her, and not even the worst ones. They actually, like, got rid, yes, yeah, they were like, and you can only talk like they she had to. And she's been very vocal about it. She's like, because she was talking about God and all these things and like, like, yeah, you can't really talk about that. And then she was like, you know, saying that she got raped in military. And they're like, so we don't like, maybe we just do only one of those, like, very and so, and she was with a publisher, and she got published, but she it's a watered down version of her story, because apparently readers wouldn't be able to handle the true thing. And it's like, you know, like, we're, how are we supposed to change the world? We don't know what's going on. So anyways, yeah. Celeste Holbrook 26:02  Yeah, I and I heard, I heard that kind of from different places, like, oh yeah. I had to, like, say this instead of that or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, that's a little bit happening to me. And I had written it with the understanding, like, this is for a still Christian audience. I understood this, it was with a Christian publisher. So I'm like, that's fine. Like, as a sex educator, you have to be able to be fluid enough to write to the audience that's in front of you. Like, when I go speak, sometimes I'm in front of really conservative audiences, and I adapt my language. That's fine. Like, that's okay to do. I'm still, I still feel helpful. I still feel like I'm pushing the envelope, but in a way that feels the most accessible for the audience in front of me. So I'm okay adjusting, but also like I didn't, I didn't want to water it down so much that I felt like it wasn't me. Lesley Logan 26:51  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Celeste Holbrook 26:53  So anyway, lost my contract in July 1st of 2020, which was and that whole thing, the whole next two years was really difficult. My husband is an emergency medicine physician and it was just a real hard time in the family, family. Lesley Logan 27:09  Yeah, no, lots, lots going on, lots of stress, lots of worry, lots. Yeah, you're afraid, yeah, you know. So like, you know. So we live where we live, and not everyone believe we're going through certain things. So that's even more stressful. Yeah. Oh, my God, that's a lot. The book, the book hit a wall.Celeste Holbrook 27:26  It hit it hit a wall, and probably had to find time. But I was, I was really, just really sad. Rochelle, my agent, was like, okay, we're just gonna, like, pick it back up. We have this proposal, we have a book written. It's, it'll be easier for another publisher to pick us up. And so we start, like, pitching to these other publishing companies. She has all these connections, you know, she's pitching, pitching, pitching, nothing's landing. I'm getting good feedback back. Like, you know, your platform's too small. That's fair. I started trying to grow it. You know, that's when Instagram was a little easier to grow. Now it's super hard to grow. But started growing it. I went from 1500 to 20,000 you know. Lesley Logan 28:04  That's a big deal, because other 20,000 like, those are not bought, you know, like, yeah.Celeste Holbrook 28:09  No, yeah. And I'm a hard follow. I get that. I have, like, you know, dildos in my videos. Like, I get that I'm not an easy follow. It's not and I'm, you know, Shadow banned all the time, and I get all these notifications that my stuff is not being shown to new audiences. I get that. I get that I'm a hard follow, but that's what publishers want. They want you to have a ready-to-buy platform, which I get. They're trying to make money. But I got a lot of that feedback. I got a lot of, ooh, this is a little it's a little too much for us as a Christian publisher. Like, okay, I get that. And then it was kind of like this line for non, non-Christian publishers, like, we don't really, we don't really talk about religion that much, and then we're not really talking about sex that much.Lesley Logan 29:00  Right? So you're like, too much of the different things for the different people, that's really rough, because it's like, we'll never be everything for anyone, but to not feel like you fit somewhere when you have something to say, that's hard.Celeste Holbrook 29:13  Yeah, yeah, it is really hard. And I think it's what people needed. It's because it's, again, it's the glitter, it's the middle. Like, yeah, I don't fit into either of these spaces. I'm kind of like exploring the middle, right? So that was the feedback I was getting. And finally, we did that for five years, from 2020 to 2025 October of 2025 Rochelle had a call with me, and she's like, honey, I have nowhere else to go. I'm sorry. This has to be the end of it. Bless her. She she did the best that she had, and I am forever grateful for her. But that was it, and that was that's where we're caught up to, where you saw my story, and I was like, just sharing with my audience like I had an unhappy ending, and I'm gonna sit in my sadness right now and just tell you, like life isn't always hunky dory for a sex educator, for anybody, for you for me, and this is where I am right now, and I'm pissed and I'm sad, and the end, right? And then sweet Lesley shows up in my DMs, and she's like, babe, I have this great idea for you. I'm like, okay, so she you send me this information for this company I have a call with, I think Jake who you interviewed. Lesley Logan 30:19  Yeah, Jake Kelfer. Yep, yep, yep. Celeste Holbrook 30:21  I have a call with Jake, and let me tell you, working with them has been and I'm not getting paid for any of this right to for BIB, but working with them has been so healing, so much agency in the process. I got to say exactly what I wanted to say. I got to go at the pace that I wanted to go, like, it was just incredible. Lesley Logan 30:44  So is this book, like a new book? It's not what you're pitching around. It's the glitter you really wanted to write. Celeste Holbrook 30:51  It's the glitter I really wanted to write. Totally different. Yeah.Lesley Logan 30:54  Yes, oh, I love that. And also, like, so, first of all, you guys, did you hear five years? Five years and now we're going on, you know, like, so, yeah, five years and then now big. But here's the other thing, like going through all of those things, you got feedback and made tweaks and did these things. So then when you're writing the book that we're gonna all get to read, I can't even wait to read it. It's the best version of a book that could ever be, because it's really not your first book you've written so manyCeleste Holbrook 31:24  You're so right. And over the course of the years, I changed, as we should. I hope I look back in five years and go like, yeah, I'm a different, new person from who wrote this book. But I was different, and I was more comfortable, like, straight up saying I'm not a Christian anymore. You know, I was more comfortable saying, like, is this a religious book? Yes, because we talk about religion. Do I identify as Christian? No, because of these reasons. Do I think we could learn some stuff from the Bible? Sure. Do I think we're going to talk about the Bible? Yes. I think we have to, because we're talking about purity culture. But I don't, you know, certainly not in 2020 was I willing to be like, yeah, I'm not a Christian, but so much stuff happened between 2020 and 2025, that just took me right on out.Lesley Logan 32:10  Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you on that. I and, you know, like, I have a brother in seminary school, so it's very interesting around here. And I had just said, you know, if, if, the if, all the Christians in the world actually did what Jesus said, like, we would have solved child child poverty and immigration and health care. And, you know, I've had a family member respond, well, if everyone just came to know, and I'm like, no, no, no, that's actually not what the Bible says. Here's the problem, I've read it so like I where I am in my life, which five years ago I was definitely not. Is just like I'm frustrated that a book, any book, has controlled people in such a way that's affecting even their sex lives, but also just lives, the lives of people who didn't even read the book. And so that's where, like, I get upset we don't have to have religious talk on this podcast. But that's that's just where, like, I'm coming from as a person with it. I'm, like, I have a really hard time with it, because it's not a loving world, and it with all the people who say they are, you know, believers. It should be. It should be a very loving world. So, so I think it's really I love. Thank you for sharing the story. This is great.Celeste Holbrook 33:30  Yeah, I totally. I just want to affirm what you're saying. Because I think the the main bottom line for me was it has harmed more than it has helped. Has it helped? Absolutely, there's some really beautiful ways in which Christianity has helped, but has it harmed more than it has helped? I absolutely believe, yes. And so for me, that was the final straw. Do I think Jesus was cool? Yeah. I think He was a radical non-white dude who did really amazing things that we can learn from, right? I believe he saved me from my sins. Not really, but, yeah, that's where I landed. And I was able to say this in in this book, which I would never have been able to do before. Lesley Logan 34:09  Well, also, thank you for sharing it with us, because I also just someone like to see it's a really interesting thing to say, like my husband and I, like go like to say out loud, it's very I don't want to speak for him, because, like, maybe it was a different but, like, it's really hard to say out loud when you're like, I don't believe anymore, and you're like, you know?Celeste Holbrook 34:29  Right, it feels really weird. Lesley Logan 34:31  Yeah, it does. But because it's such an identity that you're raised with, and I think going back to, like, that purity culture that your book is about, and by the way, everyone, like, I just want to say, like, even if you haven't been in that, it's, I think that reading about those things really helps me. It makes it helps make the world make sense to me. Like, I read Tia Levings book, A Well-Trained Wife, and I was like, oh, I get it now. I get why they're acting like this. I get why they're thinking this. Because, like, otherwise, you're like looking at people like they're aliens, and you're like, I don't understand. So I also think it can be really impactful to read just to understand, what are people thinking? What are they going through? Why is it harder for some people to have great sex, or want to have great sex, or feel comfortable having great sex, than for other people? Celeste Holbrook 35:18  Yeah, I totally agree with you. It's so fun, interesting. Most of couples that I talk to, most of them are straight couples, heterosexual couples, and a lot of times, the woman in the partnership will, you know, talk about sex in one way, and the man in the partnership will talk about sex in a different way. And just like, I just don't get it. If it feels good, why wouldn't you want to do it? And so when we kind of like, deconstruct and explain, like, well, she's been taught that sex is dangerous her whole life, and so her nervous system feels on alert, even when there are good things in the future to come with that sexual experience. So to have to overcome this idea of fear and danger in your nervous system, just to get to the beginning of arousal is a whole different ball game than you who starts at arousal, and because it feels very regulating, like, I lean into arousal because it feels regulating as a straight man who's raised in America, and so like, just being able to, like, if you're a dude who picks up this book, It might help you understand the women in your life a little bit better, even if they didn't grow up in purity culture. Most of us grew up with the idea that sex is going to harm us. Lesley Logan 36:28  Yeah, yes. Well, I mean, like, yeah, it's like, even if you weren't raised that way, you also, as a woman, were raised like, be fearful of any bad any man who's coming near you, walking up next to you, like, all these different things. And so it is very difficult to just like, let that go. It's not like, it's like, oh, it's Halloween. I can get Todd Kenny from a stranger now, like, this doesn't work like that. You know, like especially because it's like, your whole life these just little things that are being told. I think that's great for men to read. I think that's such a that's a, what a wonderful way to think about it, who this book could be helpful for? I want to take a brief detour, because you said something on your Instagram a bit ago that truly, like, blew my mind and also made so much sense, right? You said, if you're faking an orgasm, you're fawning, right? It's a fawn response. So can we talk about what a fawn response is? And that a little bit, because I think too many women do that. I only say that because I have friends who talk about it and I'm like, I mean, I just wouldn't just would be like, it's not working today, sir.Celeste Holbrook 37:38  Yes, yeah. I mean, I've done it when I was experiencing really painful sex when I first got married, because of vaginismus, because of purity culture, like I did anything to try and get out of the situation, right? So, so a fawn response is something that we do in response to something traumatic. When something traumatic happens, we go into fight, flight, freeze or on. So fawn is I'm pleasing you know this, this circumstance or person in my life, so there are no negative consequences, all right. So when we fake orgasms, and a lot of women have a lot of guilt around doing this, and this is why I posted that, because I want you to feel not guilty about this. I don't want you to do it forever, but I want you to understand why you're doing this. We fawn response an orgasm when we feel overwhelming pressure to have an orgasm when we feel overwhelming pressure to have an orgasm, it's coming from a fragile man who cannot handle or has put too much value on your ability to come as a validation for his ability to be great, right? I put too much pressure on your ability to be to come is a validation of my ability to be good or great. So part of the work has to become men saying like my validation is not wrapped up in her ability to come, without saying, I still can't give her pleasure. It's kind of, it's, it's, it's nuanced, but I really want women to understand when you're fawning, when you're faking an orgasm, you are essentially doing harm reduction. I don't want the negative consequences of his fragility, so I will fake it so I don't have to deal with that. That is easier for me. That is harm reduction.Lesley Logan 39:47  Right, right, right. And one would hope that a conversation or few could be had, like, here's what's going on and here's how I don't want you to feel and here like, yeah, that's probably where you come in. Celeste Holbrook 40:01  Yes, yeah. It's a really delicate situation. I do have lots of times people come in and the female, the woman in the partnership, will be like, hey, you know, this is what's going on, and this is why I want us together to come but to sessions, but like, I don't know how to tell him, like, it's been years and I've been faking it for years, right? Okay, no problem. We don't have to. I don't believe full transparency is always kind. I believe in honesty. I don't necessarily believe in full transparency. Like, you can, you can be really unkind with full transparency, but you can still be honest. Like, hey, I really want to experience a little bit more sensation when we have sex. Can we work on some new techniques? Can I show you how I masturbate? Can we make it slower so I can feel something different? I really want to make my orgasm stronger, right? So we can be clear with what we want going forward without being like, you know what? I faked it for the last 12 years, right? Because that's on you for not for not saying something as well. Lesley Logan 41:08  Yeah? Because that doesn't like, it can only be, it's not anyone's fault. But also, like, they can't change if they don't know, yeah. Oh, you're so brilliant. You're so amazing. Wait, when is the book coming out? When do I get to read it? When can I preorder, like.Celeste Holbrook 41:23  You are so cute. So it'll by the time this drops, it'll already be out, and we'll send links to to upload it, but it comes out on June 10th and so it's right around the corner. Lesley Logan 41:32  Okay, well, I'm gonna pre I'm gonna pre order. I gotta or I'll order on June 10th. So we can make you a number one, Bestselling Author. We get whatever we get to do, so I can write my authenticated review. After buying it, all the things I can't wait. I'll take it with me on tour.Celeste Holbrook 41:49  Thank you. I'm so like, I just like, I'm cheesing so hard because I'm so excited about it. I reread it again this morning, just like as a skim to look at all the layout on the pages. And I'm just so proud of it. I'm so proud of it, like it finally is here.Lesley Logan 42:07  I have so many chills. I'm gonna cry. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break. We're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. Celeste Holbrook 42:14  Okay. Lesley Logan 42:15  All right, Dr. Celeste Holbrook, where do you hang out? You said Instagram. Is there anywhere else? What links? What input handles? Where can they go to buy the book is it on your website, all the things.Celeste Holbrook 42:25  Yes, the book is on the website, but you can buy it the most easily on Amazon. If you do, please leave a review that would be really helpful. And you can go to my website to get into Pleasure Club. That's my monthly subscription where we have a sex ed session every month and a book club session every month we flip between fiction and nonfiction books, which is really, really fun. Lesley Logan 42:44  Oh, fun. I know Brad and I got into the, of course, like everybody in the world, we got into the the dragon situation, yeah. Okay, every. Celeste Holbrook 42:52  Fourth wing? Lesley Logan 42:53  Yeah, yes. Fourth wing, the second one, the third one. You guys, we actually reread the first and second one to listen to the third one, we're going to go back through all three. Highly recommend it with your, with your partner. I think it's a great she writes good sex stories. They don't it's not super cheesy. So I really like them. Celeste Holbrook 43:13  I love that. I think this revolution. I mean, people have been reading Roman ensembles forever, but I think it's really healing. I actually wrote about this in my newsletter this week. Reading sex scenes through a female lens is really, really healing and really helpful, because it it gives you the confidence to be like, oh, I can ask for that, or I can wait for that, or I can ask to slow down or speed up, or whatever, and I can expect somebody to listen and garner consent and all of those things. So reading sex scenes through the female lens or listening to them, I think, is very, very helpful. Celeste Holbrook 43:46  Yeah, yeah. Anyways, I got distracted from your book club. So what's your website again? What's your handle? Celeste Holbrook 43:53  So you can find me at Dr. Celeste Holbrook on Instagram, on and on YouTube, and my web, my website. drcelesteholbrook.com. I just had like a whole mind blowing, like I was thinking about sex scenes written through the female Iens and I couldn't I couldn't go back. Yeah.? So, drcelesteholdbrook is where you can find me almost anywhere. Dr Celeste Holbrook. Lesley Logan 44:14  Perfect, yeah. Sorry, I have an ADHD brain. Lesley Logan 44:16  I love it. I love it. Lesley Logan 44:18  Bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us this time? Celeste Holbrook 44:23  Oh, well, something we talked about already earlier. But the way that I am best executable is actually just to go at my own pace, even though it's slow.Lesley Logan 44:32  Yeah. Oh, I love that. I really do love that. And I also, you mentioned, like, the prioritizing of self. That's one of the ways you did it. I wanted to acknowledge like when you sat in your car and you shared that something had come to an end, that is also a way of prioritizing yourself, because you're feeling your feelings, and you're also letting people know that you're feeling these feelings, like we don't have to, like pretend around people, so just thank you for being you, and always for, you are always in the word gets misused, but you are so authentic and so authentic and just, I really feel like I've it's been so fun over the past five years to watch you grow with what you're doing and how you're educating people and how you're supporting people. And so I'm just so grateful to be on your journey. I can't wait to read your book. I'm so stoked for you. This is the coolest thing. And and you guys, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? Please tag Dr. Celeste Holbrook, send this to a friend. Here is the deal, not all friendships talk about sex, so one of the things you can do is just send the podcast or the book. You don't have to have the if you're not there yet, that's okay. But I think like, the more, the more women hear about all these different things that could be glitter, the more life we're living and the more fun we're having, the more we feel seen. So just thank you so much for being you, Dr. Celeste Holbrook.Celeste Holbrook 45:53  Lesley, you are the reason this book exists. I cannot thank you enough. Thank you so much for having me in your life and on your podcast. And someday, someday we will hug each other in real life.Lesley Logan 46:03  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We will. It'll happen. I think this winter tour, I feel it in me. All right, you guys, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:12  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 46:54  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 46:59  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 47:03  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 47:11  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 47:14  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Lesley Logan is bringing you a quick dose of inspiration this Friday with three simple affirmations to say before bed, each one designed to foster gratitude, release negativity, and set a positive intention for the day ahead. You'll also hear community wins from Ainsley that prove when there's a will, there's a way, plus Lesley's personal win on how she embraced spontaneity. This episode is a reminder to make room for joy, connection, and possibility in your everyday life.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Three bedtime affirmations to inspire gratitude, release, and intention.How guided meditations can improve your sleep quality.Ainsley's creative wins toward funding her goals and serving her clients.Why planning the “how” is key to making dreams happen.The surprising joy in saying yes to last-minute adventures. Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions3 Affirmations To Say Before Bed - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH_tzyRuRwQMantra by Dr. Caroline Leaf - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIy9jd3MyZr If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:03  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:04  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe, how are you? Welcome to our Friday episodes, the FYF, the Fuck Yeah Friday, the inspiration station, the quickie hit that you need to remember that you don't have to be perfect. You're great the way you are, and being it till you see it is a process. Yay. I'm so happy you're here. So, I'm super, super excited, because I'm this has really inspired me. So it's something three things to say before you go to bed, and maybe this came across your feed, but if not, I'll put in the links below. All right. Number one, an affirmation of gratitude, thank you for all the blessings in my life, big and small. Number two, an affirmation of release. I release all negativity from today and welcome calm into my being. An affirmation of intention. I am ready to wake up as a magnet for abundance, peace and clarity. Let's say that one more time. This is the third thing to say before bed. I am ready to wake up as a magnet for abundance, peace and clarity. I will say I didn't put this as a win, but I recently started listening to meditations before bed, like these sleep meditations that are guided you have to find a voice that you like. But I do like listening to the abundance ones. I actually sleep so deeply. So anyways, I'm really, really loving it. I used to be like sleep music, and now it's not sleep music because my ADHD doesn't like certain sounds that are coming through. So anyways, all right, that inspired me. I hope you can use those. Again, the link will be in the show notes, so you can actually screenshot those and then put them somewhere before your bed, so you don't have to, like, look at your screen, because that'd be really great. Like, like, write them up on Post-Its. Lesley Logan 2:13  All right, win of yours is something we do. So this one, we're gonna do a bunch from our lovely Ainsley, just because I she sends in so many and I love that Ainsley keeps sending them in. You guys, you can send your wins in to be beitpod.com/questions. You can put a question for the podcast, for us to answer or your wins. And I really do enjoy hers, because they're so thoughtful and from the heart. I also have known Ainsley for so many years, and it's just so fun to see how she has, how all these wins have helped her become who she is today, and how she uses these wins to just keep propelling new things. So she said, all booked into summer camp and day pass weekend, great lineup, and excited to fill my cup realize how close and April is. So I've been inspired to put some thoughts down for an end of May or June event, two new mat clients started up and signed up, and I got a beautiful message from a newish client saying how Pilates changing her life. She now feels alive again. And spring clean, totally inspired by a member here to clear out some clutter. I heard a new client of mine say sells preloved clothes. She popped around about and bought a chunk to resell and gave me 330 pounds for it. Could I have earned more doing it myself? Yes, but I opted to cherish the time and spend that time working on my business, instead. I am so grateful that she walked off with two big bags, and that money is going to go towards my Vegas eLevate trip. Where there's a will, there's a way, and she'll be back in August to buy winter. I've been asked to, by my clients to have some online classes for them to buy so they can keep moving when they are traveling. Exciting. Now I need to figure out the simplest way to do this. What fun wins. So many good ones in there, Ainsley. I mean, it's just really, what I love about you is that you don't go, oh, I can't afford that. Oh, I can't do that. You're like, no, I want to do this thing. I feel called to do this thing. How do I do this thing? Right? And I hear this, I'm not gonna include myself in that. I hear a lot of people go, oh, I'd love to do that, but, you know, maybe next year, or in two years, where I can't. And it's like you can say that. You can say, oh, I'll do it next time, but if you don't put a plan behind how next time is going to happen, you won't do it the next time. I know, I have the same events every single year, and I have people here who go, oh, next time, oh next time. And it's like, at the next time, I'm like, hey, you said next time, like, oh, I can't this time. How about next time? It's like, until you make a plan, you won't. So if there's a will, there's a way, and when you have a will, you plan the way. And so I love that you're like, I'm gonna clean up my clothes. And yes, I can make more money if I do it myself. But she'll do it. She's an expert at it. And so everyone wins. You win. You get time to work on your business, which can make more money, and then they get to do something. I love wins like that. So thank you, Ainsley, for sharing that with us, because I bet you inspire someone to clear out their closet and sell their stuff. Lesley Logan 4:55  All right, my win. So this already happened, because I'm recording this before this happened, and I'm recording this before we leave on our tour, because I got to get ahead of these things. So this win is a couple months old, but I love sharing your wins that are older and my wins that are older, because we get to remind ourselves when these episodes come out, like, oh, I had that amazing win so long ago. Oh, I can do epic things. So I was like, oh, I'm so excited for June to be a travel-free month. I can't even wait. And my husband went on a camping trip, and he took the dog and, like, I had the house to myself, and he comes back and he's like, what days can you go camping? And as I call on all these weekends, and I was I said yes to a weekend. I said, yeah, I could do that weekend, but thinking, no way it's gonna happen, because it's like, in three weeks from when he asked and two weeks from when that weekend was coming to pass, he's like, hey, the boys can go camping that weekend. So we're gonna go camping that weekend. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I don't want to do that. But I also was like, had said yes, I'd go. And of course, I want to camp with these people. I want to be with my friends. So I am celebrating this as a win. I said yes to a trip with two weeks to go. I said yes to a trip with two weeks ago. And you know what, it got, if you listen to the wins at the end of this month, one of the things that I was like, okay, I'm gonna just say, I'm just gonna go and not go. You just go I can't, like, I'm gonna go. One, I want to see these people like, it's it's not easy when you're an adult, to spend time with friends, especially friends who don't live where you are. So I'm gonna go because then I could spend time with friends. Two, I'm gonna go because I can call it my reconnecting day to nature because there's gonna be, over those two and a half days over there, there's gonna be seven, almost 24 hours where I'm not gonna be on my phone for sure, so I don't have the tech time, but I get to go hiking, which is a win that I had recently. Like, hey, we can go hiking there. You know, it's a different place to hike and I won't get bored of going to the place we're hiking now. So I said yes, because there's all these different things about it, but mostly I wanted to be, I want to be a person who can say yes to things that are last minute, you know. And I know you're like, two weeks in the last minute. It is when you're planning a camping trip. It is when you're Brad and I, when you have to plan a ton of stuff, like to be able to go on a trip. We have to make sure that, you know, we're not affecting the eLevate calendar, we're not affecting the Agency calendar, we're not affecting the OPC filming calendar. We're not affecting, like, there's all the things, right? I don't want to work on a weekend when I'm camping. I want to be able to be off my phone. So I have to make sure that, like, one, I can leave early on a Friday, and two, that everything is done when I go. So I'm just so proud of myself. And so if you needed a win to know that you, too, like saying yes to doing something last minute, brilliant, brilliant win. Way to go. You slide. You should pat yourself on the back for that, because not all people do. Most people just say no, next time, no, next time, and then have no plan for it. Lesley Logan 7:35  So, my love, what are your wins? I want to celebrate them. I want to shout them out here on the podcast. Send them in to beitpod.com/questions. You can also drop your questions for us to answer on the podcast on Thursdays, and send an episode of the Be It Pod that was your favorite to a friend. It's how this episode, the podcast grows, and we can't grow without you. Like, literally, I'd just be talking to myself. So show this podcast with an episode, or an episode you like, with a friend who needs to hear it, and you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:05  Oh, can't go yet. Gotta give you a mantra, holy moly. And I saved this mantra for you. I saved it for you, and I almost let it go. I'm what a habit I'm creating, which is not great. All right, so we're gonna, we're gonna get back on the wagon here with our mantras. And here is the mantra. I also put a link to this one because this one mantra came through on Instagram. It really inspired me. Your purpose is not the thing you do, it's the thing that happens in others when you do what you do. Your purpose is not the thing you do. It is the thing that happens in others when you do what you do. Your purpose is not the thing you do. It's a thing that happens in others when you do what you do. That's from Dr. Caroline Leaf. Brilliant, beautiful. No notes. Okay, now you can go and Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 8:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 9:40  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.r. Lesley Logan 9:44  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 9:49  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 9:56  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 9:59  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

From redefining “good” and “bad” habits to learning how empathy shapes teaching, Lesley and Brad recap their conversation with yoga teacher Anthony Benenati—founder of City Yoga, California's first Anusara studio, and now leads That's Not Yoga®. With over three decades of experience, Anthony has built a philosophy of meeting students where they are. Together they explore how ego, anger, and even curiosity can open the door to practice, and why the stories we carry and the language we use hold the power to shape growth. This episode invites you to pause, reflect, and ask: is this serving me?If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Anthony's teaching shaped his philosophy of fitting yoga to the students.Brad's early yoga mishaps and how they reframed his view of the practice.Feeling like an "outsider" in Pilates and how sharing built deeper connections.Why empathy is the real skill teachers need in guiding students.Why desire, knowledge, and action are the non-negotiables for growth.Episode References/Links:UK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comeLevate Program - https://lesleylogan.co/elevateSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsAnthony Benenati's Website - https://thatsnotyoga.comGuilt vs. Shame by Brene Brown - https://brenebrown.com/articles/2013/01/15/shame-v-guiltTiny Habits: The Small Changes That Change Everything by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/22NIHEI If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  There's a difference between saying something is bad and to lead to I'm bad, and asking yourself, is it serving me? If the answer is yes, fuck what people think. If it's a yes, and tomorrow it's a yes, and then the next week it's a yes, and then next month it's a no, then you make a change. Lesley Logan 0:22  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:05  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the authentic convo I had with Anthony Benenati in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you've missed out. Brad Crowell 1:16  You definitely missed out. Lesley Logan 1:18  I don't like to go around saying you made mistakes, but you did.Brad Crowell 1:20  You did. Lesley Logan 1:24  You don't suck or anything, but, all right, before I get into that, today is August 28th 2025 and it is National Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day. And on this day, of course, it's gonna say Rainbow Bridge twice. So the death of a beloved pet, whether it's the family dog, a furry kitty, or something a little more obscure, is a sad occasion. Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day on August 28th is the day that we remember the pets that are no longer with us. Whilst the pain of losing a pet, you can't laugh while we're talking about dead dogs, babe, but we are laughing because Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day is a day we remember our pets. We got that from remembrance, you know, like we got it, okay, anyways. Whilst the pain of losing a pet somewhat heals over time, they're never forgotten, and today is their day. The day was founded by author Deborah Barnes as a way for people to share their memories of the pets that they have lost, whether it's a dog, a hamster or a snake, or, you know, anything in between. Oh, maybe this is the day that we maybe actually like say it. Brad Crowell 2:32  That's what I was thinking. Lesley Logan 2:34  Okay, well, do you want to say it?Brad Crowell 2:36  Yeah, I do. Also, I think it's great that it's in the month of August. Lesley Logan 2:40  I know it's like we knew. Brad Crowell 2:42  If you didn't know, Lesley and I have only one dog now, and it's been a couple of months that we lost August as well. And when I say as well, what I mean is last year, we lost Gaia towards the end of the year, and then about six months later, we also lost August, and that was really, really challenging, and not something that we talk about very often.Lesley Logan 3:08  I know well, because there's a difference, and I think that's what was important about this day. And like, if you needed this day, it's like, there's something it was something easier. I mean, it felt really hard at the time when we had to, like, make a day to say goodbye to Gaia, you know, like we, we knew for years the day was coming, and we could see it was time. And we had a different situation with August, where it was just like, oh. Brad Crowell 3:33  It was unexpected. It was sudden. Lesley Logan 3:35  This is happening to this is happening today, and that's, that, like, that's just not enough time for your brain to like, not that we miss him differently, but we, I do, like, it's just a different grief. It felt like a different grief. Brad Crowell 3:48  It felt like a different grief. I felt like with Gaia, I had a lot more opportunity to say goodbye ahead of time, you know. And then when when it was gone, it was fond memories. With August, it felt like shock and sadness.Lesley Logan 4:11  Yeah, yeah. I mean, with and with her, like, I felt like, okay, she's gonna be better. Because, like, she was just having a hard time being alive. And he was so young, so that just felt like it was it was hard, it was awful. We didn't talk about it, because there's when you when you share, that someone passes away, or a pet passes away, there's an outpouring of love because of this world we live in. Like, you can say what you want about the negative sides of social media. But the positive sides are like, insane. It's like, it's like the people from your life 10 years ago, and because people have had pets like, they feel it. When you lose a pet and you see someone like you feel that loss with them. Because you know what it feels like and like, in no way were we capable of handling any I'm sorry, like I couldn't and, like, even now we're getting teary eyed. So anyways, we have one amazing dog, and we, if you know this about OPC, well, all of our companies do a little donation to a charity. It's built into all of our products and our profit margins and OPC, this year, I chose a dog charity down because they get like, 500 animals, like, a week, and like, they're trying really hard to be a no kill shelter, and I, and we can't I, like, literally, look at dogs Brad, like, look at this one. Like, we're gonna, like, we're gonna take this on. And as much as, like, oh, that fills this hole. Then I'm, like, it doesn't fill the hole. So, like, anyways, National Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day to for from our hearts to all of yours who've lost a pet, it's so hard. So anyways, okay, so in other news. Brad Crowell 5:51  In other news.Lesley Logan 5:52  We are back from our tour, as you heard last time, but we are literally leaving in like four days to go to the U.K., and we opened up ala carte workshops, which means that if you can't take a whole day off with us, it's quite possible there is a spot left in a workshop. So we just took the day passes and allowed people to buy a workshop. So there might be one or two workshops that you can snag your spot. And so go to opc.me/uk because we're going to be in Essex and Leeds, and I don't know when we'll be back teaching in the U.K., but I know we're gonna be there now, and it's gonna be so much fun. There's some great workshops. There's some business ones, there's some Pilates ones. They're for people who like us and love us and just wanna learn with us who are really, absolutely amazing. So thank you to our hosts from The Movement Base and Chapel Allerton Pilates. Then we come back and like, two weeks later, we leave for Chicagoland. We're going to be at a Balanced Body's POT and I'm teaching the Joe's gyms there. Brad is going to have, like, Brad just now was helping me with the booth, and that's it's in Burr Ridge, but they call it Chicagoland, and I like that. And from Chicagoland, we're going to go to Cambodia. And you know what? We've had people last minute join us, like we said, you could join like, two weeks before. So, crowsnestretreats.com, if you are feeling ambitious and wanting to get the heck out of town because there's a lot going on and maybe you just want to take a break. So, crowsnestretreats.com. And then what? Brad Crowell 7:16  Well, we're actually working on lighting up a workshop and some classes in Singapore right now. Lesley Logan 7:21  I know. Brad Crowell 7:22  Which would be awesome. We'll see. You know, I would say at this point, if it hasn't come together, then we have a problem. If you're listening to this now, but right now we're working on it when we're recording this. So we're gonna say, yeah, it happened. It definitely happened. We got a workshop coming in Singapore.Lesley Logan 7:39  It's going to happen because, hello. I mean, it's not very often Singapore that I have a layover during daylight hours. Brad Crowell 7:44  That's right. Lesley Logan 7:44  And so we're gonna make there's people who want it.Brad Crowell 7:46  It's gonna be awesome, yeah. But anyway, we've been looking at different venues right now, and we're lining it all up. So yeah. And then after we get back from Singapore, we actually are home for about a month, which is quite nice to to chill out. We some family coming into town, and then we go on our winter tour for OPC, where we're driving another 8000 miles this year. Last year, we did 8200 over the winter. This year is going to be less miles more stops. Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 8:20  Okay. Brad Crowell 8:21  Less miles, more steps, but it's gonna be awesome. We are stoked. Lesley Logan 8:24  You know what's really funny, guys? Okay, so the team, like, I see the map, I see where we're going, I give some inputs on some places. I'm like, yeah, I'll do that, whatever. But then they don't actually always tell me, like, all the events we're doing. So like, this week, all the private events that, because, like, studios that host us can also, like, hire us for an event, just for their team, right? So there's a public class and a public workshop, and then sometimes there's a private workshop. And apparently there's a lot more than workshops that I thought on the summer tour. So I am interested to see this winter tour. I expect lots of gifts and lots of hugs, but we'll announce the winter tour in October. So if you are in Cambodia with us, you'll hear it all announced. Brad Crowell 9:03  Yes, you will. Lesley Logan 9:04  Okay before we get into Anthony's incredible episode. What is the question of the week?Brad Crowell 9:10  Yes, great. So I don't actually know how to say this, netamenashe, yeah, netamenashe. there you go, on Instagram, she asked, Hey Lesley, do you do any Zoom sessions sometimes? Lesley Logan 9:27  Sometimes I do. Brad Crowell 9:28  Sometimes.Lesley Logan 9:29  That's true. Yeah. Who gets them? It's gonna sound like I'm an asshole, but the people who get Zoom sessions with me are people who are in my mentorship program, to be completely honest. I don't have a lot of hours in a week that I can teach because of we run OPC, you run Profitable Pilates, you know, and we do have the mentorship program, so the limited times that I have are for those in that program. And then sometimes OPC members get access to that calendar. But basically, as you can hear, no one publicly gets access to those things. So as much as I love to teach the world on Zoom, that the way I can do that is through OPC actually, because we have a monthly live class, and I can look, we can hang out afterwards, and I can look at your form. I can answer your questions. You don't even have to come to the live class when I look at your form, you can submit videos, and I can give you feedback. So if you're wanting me to give you feedback on some exercises, be an OPC member. If you're a teacher, you can go through eLevate we only have a few spots there, where OPC, it's obviously as many people. Brad Crowell 10:28  Open to the world. Lesley Logan 10:28  Open to the world and. Lesley Logan 10:29  But yeah, I mean, with eLevate, if you, if you're actually looking for a specific feedback on your practice and you want to really grow, Neta, you should be considering eLevate. It's for teachers. It's a nine-month program. It's like, consider it like going and getting a master's degree somewhere. It's very in depth, in in in what it covers. It's going to run through everything that Lesley learned from Jay Grimes, who studied with Joe. So you're going to be covering 500 exercises. It's going to be amazing. During that time, your your personal practice will significantly grow, and you'll also have, Lesley will be, you know, watching your practice during those nine months, too. So that's like, the best way to make that happen. Just reach out, or go to lesleylogan.co/elevate and or you can book a call. I'm super happy to hop on a call and just say, what's up, you know.Lesley Logan 11:21  I mean, I it's like a it's a great problem to have. And I actually used to teach this long I've been teaching online. I used to teach on Skype, and I used to teach people all over on Skype. Brad Crowell 11:30  2015, '16, '17 Skype.Lesley Logan 11:33  Yeah, Skype, oh, my God. Or sometimes Facebook, sometimes Facebook Messenger, because Skype wasn't working, or whatever, like, it was so, but I was, like, anything that has a video I can teach on it. And, you know, but, yeah, I think, like, we do have some great opportunities to work together in person between the tours and Cambodia, and then the online stuff is, you know, you I all love. Brad Crowell 11:56  That's another great one. You could come with us to Cambodia, Neta, where you'll be doing five classes with Lesley during the retreat. And obviously, you know, it's, it's not a large group. So you can come there and be in person. Lesley Logan 12:10  Yeah. So you guys send in your questions. You can, like, you'll literally hear honest feedback and answers. And we love answering them. Like, I just, I want, I want, I want I want questions about your wedding, I don't know. Like, give me some good ones. Go to beitpod.com/questions to submit them, or text us at 310-905-5534, it doesn't yet mean Be It Pod, but we're getting to.Brad Crowell 12:34  No it's not gonna mean Be It Pod anytime soon. So I love that your wishful thinking here it's, you know, low on the list.Lesley Logan 12:41  Being it till I see it. Brad Crowell 12:43  Lower on the priority list. Lesley Logan 12:47  All right, all right. Brad Crowell 12:49  Love you. Lesley Logan 12:49  Love you too.Brad Crowell 12:51  Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into one of my really dear friends who I've now known for more than a decade, and he he's just inspirational in multiple ways, being a yogi, but also, you know, he's a philosopher too. So cannot wait to dig into this convbo that you have with Anthony Benenati. You're really going to enjoy. If you haven't already gone back and listened to that, you should, but yeah, looking forward to it. Stick around we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 13:19  Right. Let's talk about Mr. Anthony Benenati. A professional yoga teacher with over 32 years of experience. Before stepping into yoga, Anthony served in the Air Force and worked in a comp as a competitive power lifter. I don't know if he worked at it, but he was a competitive power lifter, which left him with shoulder and knee injuries. In fact, you know, he he told me when he was younger, he couldn't even touch his toes, you know, and today he's like, you know, obviously been doing yoga for three decades. He founded City Yoga, which was California's first on a Sora studio, and he now leads, That's Not Yoga. That's his website, thatsnotyoga.com. He he's actually also done a lot of business stuff, and like because he sold studios and then he taught for other people, and he's done workshops and holds retreats, all sorts of stuff. Anthony's philosophy is to fit yoga to the student, making sure the practice leads to transformation and healing, not to suffering. And he teaches students to listen to their bodies every day, meeting themselves where they're at, with their openness and compassion, and yeah I think that is a really great summary of, you know, who he is. But I would also say he rides a motorcycle, he drinks beer, he curses. He's fucking cool and hip, and that's one of the things that that I connected with him the most about is because I had this preconception of what's a yogi. Lesley Logan 14:45  I mean, your first class was, like a per tip, like a bit like, like the typical yoga instructor, like this little, soft spoken older lady.Brad Crowell 14:52  No, no, no, no, no. I had my well, so that, so that was the first teacher that I actually learned from, and she was super sweet and nice. But yes, the class was literally for, like, elderly people. And I was like, teach me the foundations. And I liked the class because she let her students ask questions during class. And I was like, I don't understand this pose. How does it work? And it effectively was like. Lesley Logan 15:14  In case you haven't noticed, Brad, you guys, Brad literally interrupts all classes to ask questions. Like, like, all classes, he has questions. He comes on the retreat, and he'll just pop into a class, and then he's got a question. It's like, we actually talked about that yesterday, and you missed class. But okay.Brad Crowell 15:29  So, but my very first class was hilarious, because I'm like, you know, my nickname in yoga class was shark boy, or Mr. Bendy, and I, I've just been I'm a hyper mobile body, so naturally flexible. And I get to my first yoga class ever was a Groupon that I bought, and I showed up for class, and I'm in the middle of, like, 30 or 40 people, and I don't have a clue what I'm doing. I'm watching this guy up in the front, you know, do all the things. And I was like, okay, we're sticking our arm over there. We're shooting, our leg over this way. We're twisting and blah, blah, blah. And at the end of the class, he came up to me, he's like, wow, man, you have a great practice. And I was like, this is my very first class. And it was like, what? And I was like, yeah. And then I left the studio, and I walked out to my motorcycle, and I could not get onto it. Lesley Logan 16:16  You did way too much. Brad Crowell 16:17  Because I hurt myself so bad that I literally had to sit there for like an hour just for my back to not be screaming at me. And I was like, well, yoga is not for me. And I just was like, I'm done. And then I never, you know, like, I never went back, and I, but I, but I had that Groupon right? And so anyway, somehow I ended up using it. And I bought another package somewhere with Anthony, because the studio was convenient and but I only want. Lesley Logan 16:46  Your first class wasn't with Anthony. Brad Crowell 16:47  No, no, my first class was not with Anthony. But like, a year or two later, I was like, I'm gonna give this another try. And I did buy, like, a 10 pack at Anthony's studio, and I use, like, and he didn't have an expiration on it, right? So, and I, but I only use, like, two classes. And then I didn't know yoga for like, years. And then there was a point where I was like, I need to go. I need to go back to class. And I, I called the studio. Had, he had sold it and, you know, so I, I went. I was like, hey, I had this package with the old studio, you know, you know. And I wasn't even taking with Anthony. I had been taking with that lady, that older lady, lady, but I still had packages. It just so happened to be Anthony's studio. I didn't know that, yeah. So when I went back, Anthony was the teacher, and that's how I first met him. And I was like, who the hell is this guy? He's awesome. This is rad and that and then I was like, hooked. I was in. This is probably like, 2014. So I've been dabbling in yoga for like, maybe three years, but not really.Lesley Logan 17:46  I love how two or three times in two years is dabbling.Brad Crowell 17:50  Yeah. Well, with the with the older with the with the older lady, whose name I don't remember, and I feel bad about that. I probably went, you know, I bought a few 10 packs, you know, I went a few times.Lesley Logan 18:00  Okay, it wasn't clear that there's a multiple 10 pack. Brad Crowell 18:02  Yeah. Sorry, sorry I went a few times, like, I had enough foundation (inaudible). Lesley Logan 18:05  Every time I've heard this story it has always had, like, one 10 pack, and it's like, you get a couple of times it's not dabbling.Brad Crowell 18:12  Oh, I went, I went, yeah, I went enough to, like, decide that yoga wasn't gonna hurt me if I knew what I was doing. But, you know, I didn't actually, like, it didn't turn it into a habit or a practice. I just went a few times, and then, you know, it wasn't until, you know, a year later that I went back to redeem the rest of my package that, studio had sold. I didn't even know it. And I was like, well, they're gonna honor it. I already have classes. I'll just go there. And then I happened to pop into a class that was Anthony's, but, wow, that was a long story that has nothing to do with anything. Lesley Logan 18:45  Speaking of Anthony. Brad Crowell 18:45  Yeah, let's shift on, like from your convo, which was deep. Lesley Logan 18:50  It was deep. I knew it would be, I know it'd be so good, but I think for all the teachers, no matter what you teach, this is a really great thing. Anthony says he believes that the most effective teacher is someone who understands how people get to the practice. Brad Crowell 19:03  Well, you just found out. Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, well, but like, right, right, but like, I think this goes to, you know, we coach a lot of Pilates instructors, and they're like, I want to work with an advanced person. All they want to do is lose weight, and it's like, right? And we don't want you to lie to people, but you have to understand what gets people to the practice, so that you can have empathy for them being a beginner, because they should be allowed to be a beginner, and we can't, we don't want them to feel shame for what they think they want in their life, because that's a compilation of years of stories and influence good or bad to, and in the conversation we talked about, there's no such thing as good or bad, but like to to someone. And so how can you really have a lived experience, so that you can in whatever it is you're teaching, so that you can come from a really great place, an honest place, and and be human, you know, like, I think a lot of instructors put themselves upon pedestals, cult leaders and and forget that like you are also in practice when you teach something, that's a practice, right? And so he also said empathy is such an important factor to be a great teacher, you have to put yourself in their shoes. And this is something like, look, of course, I have days where I get tired and I'm like, why don't they just fucking relax and stop trying to be perfect, like I don't understand, like, I'm fucking just, just relax, just be in practice. But also, I know what that is like. I know why they can't do it. I know that they have years of like, being for whatever, like somebody told them that it had maybe the perfection is because it kept the house safe. You know, there's so many different reasons why people seek perfection. They want certainty. They want control, you know.Brad Crowell 20:47  Yeah, I mean, it could be a response from uncertainty in another area of their life, where they feel like this is where I can have certainty, because I know exactly how it's supposed to be, you know. And then, and then it becomes this thing. Lesley Logan 21:00  Yeah, but when I when I like, so when I catch myself, because sometimes, like, I'm like, and it's like, oh, wait, hold on a second. We've like, I've been here. So what, what was I going through? And what actually got me to, like, let go of that and get back in that empathy, because it actually is what helps guide people on the path to being more themselves, to connecting to themselves, to having a personal practice. So it was just like.Brad Crowell 21:25  Yeah. Anthony was talking about his ego was the thing that brought him to the practice. Because he was like. Lesley Logan 21:31  Which would just be the irony of yoga. Brad Crowell 21:33  Yeah. And I'll tell you, it was actually anger that brought me to the practice and. Lesley Logan 21:39  I do went to yoga with you because I thought you're cute. I mean I was going to yoga already, and I was like, Ookay, I'll go to that class with him, because he's cute.Brad Crowell 21:48  bBut, but I was angry that I couldn't do it, and that was also ego. But like, I was angry. I was angry outside. I was angry at my ex, right? And I was angry that I couldn't figure it out. And I was angry that my I was just angry. And then when I when I knew was that, after I had beat the shit out of myself in a yoga class, I felt better. Like, ironically, you know, and like, if you know, talk about controlling, like I wanted every single answer to every every possible understanding of the movement, you know, and then, and then there was stuff that I was like, couldn't do. And it generally like, ironically, I was flexible, but I wasn't flexible enough in my own mind. And I definitely wasn't strong. And, you know, I think that anger, like, pushed me through the strength training barriers of where I was, like, I need to be able to hold this pose for whatever, 10 seconds, I don't know, like, whatever it was like. And it was like, I mean, I'm glad I didn't hurt myself, to be honest, you know, during it. But it was, you know, it took me a solid six months to enjoy the practice, you know, because I was just frustrated at everything.Lesley Logan 23:04  Yeah, I think, like, had you come to it for a different way, you might, like, it would might have been a different thing, but maybe you didn't, wouldn't have practiced that hard. Like, I think, I think that's what the point is. Like, what if we allowed our journey to whatever it is just be that, I think a lot of people want to change the past. They want, they want it to be a different way that they got into something. I remember, like, how I got into Pilates. I thought it was BS, and I remember not telling anyone that story for years, like I was so embarrassed that I actually thought that that Pilates was a gimmick, you know, I really was. I was like, oh. And then also on top of that, because when I became a Pilates instructor, people, most of the teachers were dancers. So here I was one of the few in my world, not in the world, but in my world, L.A., that was a non-dancer, and I thought it was bullshit, you know, like I was just like, I'm just gonna just, I'm just gonna bend back, I'm in the back, and no one's gonna know. But then I realized, like, actually, like, how I got to Pilates is probably how a lot of people think about Pilates. And what if I actually just, like, lean into the empathy of that, and it might actually allow more people to come to the practice, because then they don't feel stupid or silly or weird for thinking it's, it's, you know, not gonna work, you know? And it found, the more I talked about how I wasn't a dancer, the more teachers were like, I'm not one either. And then made them feel good. And so, like, what if we all just own the story that we have? It might actually make us all have more community and connection to different people.Brad Crowell 24:33  Yeah. I mean, it makes you relatable, you know, makes makes as a teacher, it makes you relatable when you're willing to, you know, share the things that it's I think, you know, there's always over-sharing can be wrong. But like, I think it's hard to know what will be received well. And so I feel like that there's fear there, and that's why you know, you're like, man, I shouldn't share that. But then, like, when you know if and when you do, it's like, oh, you know, like, well, I'm not alone in this, and other people are probably also not sharing, and now they feel permission to, you know, commiserate or connect, or, you know, makes them feel better about themselves, too. So, yeah. Lesley Logan 25:12  Yeah. Love it. Okay, what did you love? Brad Crowell 25:13  Yeah, so I loved this idea of good and bad. You know, he said yoga doesn't actually see things as good and bad. It's not like you have a good practice or a bad practice, or you're a good yogi or a bad yogi, you know. He said that yoga kind of sees things more in the does it work, or is it not working? You know? And he was talking about the specifically, like, when, when we were talking about this, it was more talking about habits. You know, it's like, the habit is there, whether it's a quote, unquote, good habit or a bad habit. You know, we're taking that and setting that aside instead. It's a, you know, how is this habit serving me? Is it, is it working for me, or is it not working for me, right? And specifically you were like, maybe you get frustrated that you sit there and scroll on Instagram all day long, but maybe you can see that as a good thing, because you actually need a moment to to just like, not think, right?Lesley Logan 26:12  Yeah, yeah. We also mean, we talked about, like, some people would say it's bad to drink, but like, if it if, if that drink made you that drink made you relax and connect with your family. Like, is it bad and and I think, like, is it wrong? So I've heard that this before, and a couple different things, obviously, like, there are things that cannot be great for you, but you, the difference is, like, is it serving you? Is it serving you? And it's okay for something to serve you and not serve somebody else. Brad Crowell 26:43  Or what is coming from it that could be serving you, right? Like, it might not be the thing that is serving you like, like the alcohol itself might not be beneficial, but the quality time that you spent with family when consuming the alcohol that is worth doing, right, you know? So, there's, I still, I still love the idea that like everything in moderation, including moderation, you know.Lesley Logan 27:08  Well, I think the point is, because I think about Brene Brown, she's gone in my head a couple times in this conversation, guilt versus shame is her thing, right? Like, I think some people shame themselves. I had a drink last night, versus, like, I spent time with my family and I had a drink, and I love spending time with my family. I don't love I had the drink, but when I had the drink, it let me forget about the work that I had so I could spend time with my family. So I do need to figure out a way to get to forget about work so I can spend time my family. But we don't have to have shame around the drink, because, you know, and I think that's where it's like, we have to be kinder to ourselves. I think people just walk around. I mean, it's on the internet, right? People just shame people all the time. That's bad. That's wrong. You did that wrong. Like, no one is going way to go, like, you know, when's the last time you told a stranger (inaudible). Brad Crowell 28:00  We definitely celebrated with OPC. I was gonna, I was gonna circle this right back around to your Pilates practice or your yoga practice, because when I first got into yoga, that was how I treated myself. I'm not good enough. I'm doing it wrong. I'm not doing it well. It's, it's not good, like I'm not a good yogi. And I was judging myself, but I was angry. I was angry at myself. I was angry at the world, you know, and like, you know, but I knew that, like physically, my body, like you ever felt like, you ever felt like so frustrated you just have to go run? You ever felt like that, where like running is somehow going to like be the thing, I and, like, that was that was like, you know, because you get that endorphins release and all that stuff, and that was what I was looking for without really understanding it, I just knew that I felt better after class, you know, and because I was also more relaxed and, like, my mind wasn't like, freaking out all the time, you know, at that point. But it still took time for me to like, took years for me to stop judging my own practice and like the idea that.Lesley Logan 29:14  But I think going back to like, there's a difference between saying something is bad and to lead to I'm bad, and asking yourself, and if we could just catch ourselves now, because this is why I love this conversation. Is it serving me? If the answer is yes, fuck what people think. If it's a yes, and tomorrow it's a yes, and then the next week, it's a yes, and then next month, it's a no. Then you make a change, but. Brad Crowell 29:44  Sure, you can make a choice. Lesley Logan 29:45  But I think some people are using judgment on good or bad, on things that are serving them, and then they're fucking stuck, like if you had not gone to yoga because I'm bad. It makes me feel like, you know, so I'm not, like, yoga would become the thing that's wrong. And then, like, you know what I mean? So like, is it serving me? It's serving me to go because I'm angry, and I can be angry, and it's serving me, and then all of a sudden, the anger at yoga no longer served you, and you let it go. So I think, like, there's a couple different ways to see this. Brad Crowell 30:20  Or the anger at me is no longer serving me. Lesley Logan 30:22  Yeah, so you had to let it go. So I think, what if we could all stop? If you and this is something we can catch ourselves doing here at this household, you and me together, but also, like our coworkers, your friends, like, if you go, oh, I know it's bad that I do this, hit, pull, that rubber band. Is it serving me, that I do this, right? Is it serving me that I do this? And if you can honestly say yes, then let the fucking guilt go, because it's not helping you. Brad Crowell 30:48  You said pull that rubber band? Lesley Logan 30:50  You know, you have a rubber band on your wrist. Brad Crowell 30:52  Yeah, yeah. Snap it. Lesley Logan 30:53  Snap it. Brad Crowell 30:54  Like, hit the reset button. Yeah, you know. And, and it's, you know, that he took it a little bit differently in the conversation, because he's, you know, he was talking about all things serve a purpose, even if we look at it and say that's bad, you know? Because, you know, he said we wouldn't know love without hate, joy without pain. Lesley Logan 31:18  I can think of a few people that I could still think the world's a better place if they weren't in it. I'm just gonna say, we all know, but like, I get the point.Brad Crowell 31:27  Perspective, right? It allows us to actually understand what we have in our world that is amazing, you know, because we can also see, oh, damn, I definitely that is not amazing over there. You know? You know that that's not giving that's not that is not working. That would not work for me, right? I mean, yeah, that wouldn't work for me. So, you know, it's a, he said, it's a balance, you know, and it's and each scenario you find yourself in, you can find that balance between, you know, is it working for me or not working for me? Or is it the good and the bad? You know, how can it be working for you? Lesley Logan 32:04  I mean, you know, I love it because, like BJ Fogg always said, there's no such thing as bad habit. Every habit you have is serving some function. Now, there might be habits you don't like or are no longer serving you, but they're a habit. But there, you cannot say there's a bad habit, because it is providing something in your brain that's kicking off a dopamine otherwise your brain wouldn't seek doing it.Brad Crowell 32:24  Right. Yeah, yeah. I always thought about that too with, like, food, you know, there's something, even if it's like, quote, unquote, bad habit of, like, eating all the time, or, like, maybe you have, like, a consistent, like, I eat late, or whatever, and you know that it's like, not physically helping you. There's still something in your head that's like, I need that thing, whatever that thing is, you know, I need that glass of orange juice, you know, I need the sugar, you know. Lesley Logan 32:49  Well, because it could be, it brings re lief, right? It's distraction, it might calm you down. There's so many different things that our habits do. So if there's something that you feel no longer serves a purpose in your life, right, you have to explore that and not judge that. I'm going to do a whole series on habits, actually, so we can continue this conversation on this like it's now an eight episode series I'm going to do about habits. Brad Crowell 33:19  Really? Lesley Logan 33:19  Oh, Brad has no idea. Brad Crowell 33:20  What? Tell me more. Lesley Logan 33:22  Yeah, oh, my God, I'm doing a whole episode, a whole series on my. Brad Crowell 33:25  On where? Lesley Logan 33:26  On the pod. I'm just taking over and not interviewing people for a few weeks. And I'm gonna tell you how to fucking do a habit. And we're also talking about unraveling habits that no longer serve you. Brad Crowell 33:35  All right, you heard it here first, y'all, surprise. Lesley Logan 33:37  So the thing the homework from this episode is just start taking notice of things, you know, the habits you have, the routines you have that no longer serve you. And we can bring that to the series, which will come out, I think it's going to come out either in December or January, so.Brad Crowell 33:55  Cool. All right, that's really fun. We'll stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items that you covered with Anthony, which were also fantastic. So yeah, stick around we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 34:07  Welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items that you had.Lesley Logan 34:13  You guys, I am notorious, like, I'm notorious, like, yeah, I'm ready. And then I just looked down, and he's like, just wants me to look at the camera when he says welcome back. So I'm sorry, everyone here we are. Welcome back. Brad Crowell 34:24  Welcome back. Lesley Logan 34:24  Say it with him. What bold, ex, you're not gonna say it with me? What bold, executable, intrinsic or targetedBrad Crowell 34:31  Action items can we take away from your convo with Anthony Benenati?Lesley Logan 34:35  Just so you know, I always fade out, even when you sing Happy Birthday, because I can't. I don't like how I sound. Okay. I'm going first, babe, here we go. I'm taking away because I there's just too many things I loved. So he said, he states that it's important that we actually we focus on three things when you want to do things that you want to do. So first of all, to do anything you want to do, you have to actually have the desire to do it. If you don't have the desire to do it, you won't put the effort forward. Has anyone ever said like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn Spanish, and then you don't learn Spanish. So you have to have the desire to do it. This is, we're gonna talk about this in the Habit Series. I love it. Knowledge. You have to learn to do it. He actually said just doing something without knowing how to do it can cause you harm. This is very true. You have to actually learn how to do it. I'm actually trying to learn how to do tarot, because I like want to, we have a Ttarot episode coming out, and I like, want to understand how to like, do it better. And I want a tarot is a personal relationship with yourself. It's asking yourself questions. And I want to have, I don't want to do it wrong. I want to have a really good understanding of it before I start journaling and pulling cards. And really like doing it for real. And then third is action. Then you simply have to do it. But beyond doing it just once, you must commit to doing over and over and over again to create meaningful change. And I love this so much. We have to be okay with being beginners, are we okay for having, like, being on a journey of learning, and then you just keep doing it. And it's really amazing how when you do that, it's like there's deeper levels of everything that we do, and it's just so good. I am loving, I love this, love, I love this triad. Okay, Brad.Brad Crowell 36:12  Yeah, I think that that idea of desire, knowledge and action is so obvious, but we often will skip one of the steps. Lesley Logan 36:24  Sometimes people skip desire. Brad Crowell 36:26  That's what I'm saying. Lesley Logan 36:27  It's terrible, like, that's a bad one. Brad Crowell 36:28  I'm doing it because I have to, or I'm doing it for somebody else, but really, you don't fucking want to, and so it actually sets you up to fail from the gate, right? Because what's gonna happen, you're gonna you're gonna do it, and it's gonna build frustration or resentment, you know, or like you mentioned with step two, if you skip knowledge, you could hurt yourself. And then, you know, there's step three, which is actually being consistent with it. You can have the desire to learn. You could even learn how to do it. But then if you don't do it.Lesley Logan 37:03  Right, right, because you, because some people won't do things because they're they're too new at it, you know. Okay, your Be It Action Items, your takeaways.Brad Crowell 37:11  Okay, so he was talking about being careful with language, and you mentioned this too, right? How your body actually learns, your body responds to the way that you think and the things that you say impact, you know, like, what you think is what you're going to say, and what you think your body is also going to do. Lesley Logan 37:32  Your body's not going to go rogue on you.Brad Crowell 37:34  Right. So, for example, you were talking about, you know, oh, I'm never, I never lose weight, or I'm never gonna get stronger or, you know, or I was thinking about just this, just the other day, I had somebody come, you know, we had somebody come to our place, and we were just taking photos, and the person said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, that's my bad side. And then shifted to the other side of the photo so they could get it. And I was like, that's like, I mean, of course, we've all heard that and like, it sounds like so Hollywood, but it's also, you know, like, that's a shame.Lesley Logan 38:13  Well, also, because you it just you have confirmation bias. You actually always see the thing that you're saying is bad, but your body listens. If you say you have a weak arm, your body's not gonna go let me show you how strong I am. No, it's just not gonna happen, and you'll treat it that way. So I really, I really think language, being careful with it, is something we could all pay attention to.Brad Crowell 38:34  Yeah and then the other side of it, too is let's say you have the desire and the action, the knowledge, I mean, and you're putting it into action, the way that you put it into action today might be different than the way you put it into action yesterday, right? And I think I had, especially with my yoga practice, never fully embraced this idea, ever. So for 10 years, I was like, I can always go further than I did the day before. That's just the way I always looked at it. It wasn't until I started lifting weights that I truly looked at it like, I just can't today, whatever, whatever, like, like, if last week I did 150 pounds, I just feel like, wimpy today, I'm not going to be able to do it and I and I could actually hurt myself.Lesley Logan 39:28  Yeah, that's why my trainer has me on a deload week because it's important for your central nervous system to, like, think things are a little easier. Can't always be building, building, building. You have to calm it down, yeah, so it's, it's so true, like our the way we approach things has to be different if we're listening to our body. Brad Crowell 39:47  Yeah and, you know, so yeah, listening to your body, being careful with your language, being willing to, being willing to, not, you know, whatever, reach the goal or hit the to be the epitome of the pose or, you know, in our in my case, it was often handstand, you know, when it was yoga, or for lifters, it's like, I gotta hit my max. Last max was, you know, this, so I gotta hit, I gotta at least hit that and then more, right, like, being willing to be like, okay, maybe right now it's okay if it's different, you know.Lesley Logan 40:24  Yeah, it's interesting how, like, some of those things, just you'd learn with age, but also.Brad Crowell 40:27  I think with age and also, like death. I never felt like I was gonna hurt myself in yoga. I never felt like I could crush my skull. Like, if you're benching and you have too much weight, your body could slip and fail, and you could have 150 pounds crashing on your body like, that was, that was the moment where I was like, oh, okay. Lesley Logan 40:47  So there it is, Anthony. We should have just probably go how to teach Brad he could have died, get a fucking broken his neck. Oh, my God. Okay, now we know. Well, I.Brad Crowell 40:59  But also that's translated, you know, like, I it took me an opportunity to learn, and then, you know, now, when I'm going back into my yoga practice, it's, doesn't have to be like, to the nth degree every single time.Lesley Logan 41:12  Yeah, I just show up. Like, that's where I'm at. I'm like, I'm really enjoying just showing up. So glad I get to do that. I'm like, I'm here today.Brad Crowell 41:20  I also feel a lot stronger, too, and less flexible. And I acknowledge that. Lesley Logan 41:25  You're no longer a shark boy. Brad Crowell 41:26  No. I mean, I don't think so. I'm still flexible, but I'm not like I was like before. Lesley Logan 41:31  You have mobility. Brad Crowell 41:32  Yeah, but I could put my foot behind my neck not in front of my head.Lesley Logan 41:35  I know, but you have but we need strength as we get older, it's really fucking hard to put it on. Anyways, I just this whole episode has so many gems I really enjoyed, like, reliving it. I think it's one that's worth going back to. And I think it's got, it's got a takeaway you might listen to differently each time you hear it. So, listen to it again. And I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 41:57  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 41:58  Thanks for listening. I want to hear reviews. I want to hear takeaways. I want your fucking questions. Send it in to beitpod.com/questions, also your wins. I want your wins. I want a lot. Okay, I want a lot. Brad Crowell 42:09  Yeah. We want it all. Lesley Logan 42:10  Yes, I can't I'm not gonna sing a song for you. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 42:14  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 42:16  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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Anthony Benenati, founder of City Yoga and That's Not Yoga®, shares his personal evolution from his earliest experiences with yoga to developing a practice that meets each individual where they are. In this conversation, he explores breaking limiting ideas about yoga, uncovering its deeper meaning, and building genuine human connection through mindful movement. He also reflects on how curiosity, learning, and purposeful steps can lead to lasting change. This is a conversation about healing, empowerment, and finding a practice that truly serves you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Anthony's journey into yoga and the pivotal moments that shaped his path.Breaking common stereotypes and misconceptions about yoga.Understanding the true purpose of yoga beyond the poses.How yoga fosters authentic community and connection.The power of desire, knowledge, and action in creating transformation.Episode References/Links:Anthony Benenati's Website - https://thatsnotyoga.comAnthony Benenati's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thatsnotyoga Tiny Habits: The Small Changes That Change Everything by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/3edLCLcGuest Bio:Anthony Benenati is the founder of City Yoga, The first Anusara yoga studio in California and That's Not Yoga® , a culmination of three decades of study and practice in the Hatha Yoga tradition. Anthony's philosophy is simple; fit the yoga to the student, not the student to the yoga. He believes that it isn't about the style of yoga you practice, rather, the effectiveness of that style for your body. Yoga practice should help you transform, not cause more suffering. Anthony draws from a deep knowledge of the different classical styles of modern yoga and other modalities to construct a path of healing and transformation for their student. Anthony has trained in Kundalini, Ashtanga, Iyengar, Anusara and Viniyoga. He specializes in Yoga Therapeutics and tailors the practice so your body uses its natural movements to heal itself from pain and suffering. He has taught globally and has trained thousands of students. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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If yoga is about anything, it's about setting meaningful boundaries.Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:51  All right, Be It babe. I am so stoked for you to hear today's interview. Our guest today is actually a dear friend of Brad and mine, and he is a person we have quoted on the podcast before, and he's someone we said, we have to get him on the pod. And guess what? We did it. And also, I can't believe this is the first time he's on the pod. I feel like he'll be a regular conversation, because it's just really fun to hear him share his perspective, and he is an amazing yoga teacher. And this is as much of a yoga podcast as it's not a yoga podcast episode, because we talk a lot about what really is yoga, and what does it mean to have a yoga practice, and what is it trying to teach us? And if you think you know what yoga is I'm gonna challenge you to listen, because I think it's really easy for us to have been fed something that it's not and then not realize, like, the amazing benefits that it has. And so I'm not gonna say anymore, because this episode is just one of my favorite it's gonna go hands down and one I'll quote in the future. And I knew that when I brought him on, I just knew that we would have an amazing conversation, and this is hopefully going to entertain, educate and inspire you. So here is Anthony Benenati. Lesley Logan 2:09  All right, Be It babe, I'm really excited. This person is actually a dear friend, like I know I've said that about some guests, but usually they're a dear friend of like, a couple moments. This person I've known for like, 10 years, and Brad has known him much longer, he's been a regular in our lives. Anthony Benenati, you are one of the best yoga teachers I know, but also so much more than that. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Anthony Benenati 2:33  Well, first of all, thank you for having me on. What an honor. Who am I? Anthony Benenati, you said my name. I am, believe it or not, a yoga teacher, a professional yoga teacher. I've been doing this for 32 years now, which, when I tell people that I teach yoga, they they have immediate this vision of what that might be. Lesley Logan 2:56  Yes, you should be in white. Anthony Benenati 2:59  I should be in white or. Lesley Logan 3:02  With a glow. Anthony Benenati 3:04  It's not very serious or, right? Everybody has their assumptions of what yoga is, which, my job is to help educate and instruct on what the practice truly is versus what it has become. The practice that sort of everybody knows now, versus really, what it truly is and what its goal is.Lesley Logan 3:29  Yeah, I feel like we could also, like, talk about that for hours, because I had someone send me a reel of a guy on a Reformer with a, like, stationary bike in his hands and feet. And it was a joke. It was like an April Fool's joke. And he was like, okay, guys like, this class, we get cardio and core and like, he's holding the bike, he's it's obviously a joke. But like someone sent it to me, and I'm like, the fact that this is so hilarious that people who've never done Pilates before are sending this to me, tells me that what people think Pilates is has strayed far from what Pilates is. So I feel like I can understand that. And I find myself constantly educating people a little bit like, well, that yes, those are Pilates exercises and so, but it's not the inherent reality of it is. And so I feel like I understand that plight, that that journey you're on, in a little bit. Anthony Benenati 4:18  You and I have had this conversation many times before, because you're so close to the source of it, and and that's what I love about what you do, what you teach, and where I am, and what I teach, is that there's a lineage, and you're very close to the source, and the closer you are to the source, the more authentic the teaching, the further down the line you get disconnected from that core source. Then everything starts to get watered down and miscommunicated. Lots of stuff gets forgotten. Lesley Logan 4:55  Yeah, well, it's like the game of telephone, like, I mean, like when you play that game in school, like, you, the further it goes down the line. Anthony Benenati 5:03  The more warped it gets. Lesley Logan 5:04  Yes, yes. And it's funny, but also, like, that is the reality. Can we take a step back? Because, like, a yoga instructor of 32 years, that is a long time. And I think, like, there's not many of you. I mean, there's many of you, probably in India places, but like, there's not many of people who've had that many decades and and have studied the way that you have like, did you grow up like doing yoga? Did you want to be a yoga teacher?Anthony Benenati 5:32  No, this story is, is pretty remarkable. No, I did not grow up with yoga. In fact, I didn't really understand what yoga was until I was literally introduced to it after I moved here to L.A. So I've been in L.A. since 1991 before that, I was in the military. I was in the Air Force. And when I was in the Air Force, I was a competitive power lifter, and I played sports all my life. So my body was pretty wrecked in my 20s. I had a shoulder surgery and a knee surgery already, and I remember I was waiting tables, and I had met this girl, and I was taken by the way she sort of carried herself. She was she walked very upright, almost Royal. And I thought, you know, it's L.A., everyone's moving to LA to become an actress. And I thought, okay, this girl, right, she's like telling her family, I don't want your money, I'm moving to L.A. and I'm going to be an actress. So I asked her, and she laughed in my face, and she lifted up the back of her shirt, and she showed me a 13-inch scar on her spine. And she told me that when she was young, she had this incredible S curve in her back, and she was in a full body cast from her neck all the way down through her torso. And I said, oh, my God, that that sounds painful. And I said how do you move? You can't, I haven't seen you bend. She goes, I can't. The only thing I can bend is my hips. I can turn my hips, but I cannot bend my back. I said, well, what do you do for relief? And she said, I do yoga. And I was like, Well, explain what's that and how does that help you? And she said, I'd love to explain it, but I don't think I can. Why don't you just come to a class? So I did, and you know, me then, I was really big. I had all this muscle mass, right? And I went to my first class, and I could not finish, could not finish the class. It kicked my butt. And I was so, my ego got, got triggered. And one of the things that's important for me as a teacher now when I teach my students is that there is, yoga doesn't see things in good and bad. Yoga see thing, sees things in does it work or not? And at the time, ego served me, because it made me go back, and it made me go back and it made me go back. At the time, the reasons because I think I was going to get it, and that's fine for whatever, for whatever reason someone enters into the practice is fine, you're there. That's the important part. We can work on the why and the why always evolves as you get along through the practice. But for me, I tell people, ego brought me to yoga and it it kept me there.Lesley Logan 8:34  Yeah, I think, isn't it interesting, like, because I'll have I work with teachers, and they're like, oh, I don't want to work with people who want to lose weight. And I'm like, I, you don't have to promise them anything you can't do. But if, if that brought them into the space, I would much rather you a non like someone who's not going to manipulate or use them or lie to them to be the safe landing for them to find a movement practice that can help them love the body that they have, you know? So I'm not here to be I won't take you if you want to lose weight. I'll just say, here's the science of weight loss, here's how I can fit in and and here's how I don't, you know, but this is what we can do together and like building that trust. And if that's what brought them in, and that's what got them to keep coming at the beginning, but then they stay coming because of how it makes them feel, and then they become a person who doesn't worry about that, because they actually care more about how they feel than how that what the scale says. Like, to me, that's kind of like that same thing. Like, I think too often people are wanting to turn away that negative energy, that negative energy in air quotes, because that's not what something is. But really it's like, you can't just, you don't, we don't get to decide how people come to us. Anthony Benenati 9:48  Right. Lesley Logan 9:49  All we can do is like, kind of be a space for them to evolve and learn the what, what, what they wanted, what they're here, what we can teach them. Anthony Benenati 9:57  Yeah, I'm glad that you said that. I'm glad that you said that to create the space, because that's exactly what it is, isn't it? It's like we want to create a safe space for them to explore them, and not come in with this bunch of judgment that I'm putting on to them so that they feel uncomfortable. I want them to feel as comfortable as they can. Starting anything new is difficult. We all know that. Let's not make it harder. Lesley Logan 10:22  Yeah, yeah. I also like that you said there's like, there's not bad or good.Anthony Benenati 10:28  That's a radical, that's a radical idea for people. In the West, we are programmed this is good and this is bad. I can even hear, you probably hear this in your students' languages too. Oh, that's my bad side, or I have a bad leg, or I have a bad shoulder. And I'm careful with that, careful with the languaging. It's not bad. It may be injured, it may be weaker, it may be tighter, but that doesn't mean it's bad.Lesley Logan 10:55  Yeah. And I, well, I, there was a years ago, like years ago. I can remember where I was driving, but I can't remember the name of the podcast, I was in traffic on San Vicente trying to get to Wilson Boulevard, and I was listening this podcast, and they talked about how, like, we have to be mindful of how we talk about our body, because our body is listening. And they have done studies that, if you like, say, I gained weight, I'm someone who can't lose weight, like, I I'm fat. All this your bod, those people who say that they actually have seen that they produce fat cells, like, that's what they do, right? Versus like, they also, like, told people, like, oh, you had this knee surgery. And the person goes, oh, I had knee surgery, so my knee is better. They didn't have knee surgery. They literally didn't give it to them. They just pretended they put them under they had controls, don't worry there's other things, but. Anthony Benenati 11:42  The placebo effect. Lesley Logan 11:44  What you tell your body like really does matter and and I studied with BJ Fogg, who's the found who wrote Tiny Habits, and he's really the leading scientist on habits that everybody has been stealing from and, not stealing, it's the wrong word, they probably study with them, but at any rate, he said there's no such thing as a bad or good habit. Everything serves you. Every like the habits you don't like about yourself, if you don't like that you scroll on the internet. If you don't like that you binge-watch NetFlix that they'll all the habits we have serve us, they provide something because your brain actually doesn't want to be around anything that causes judgment or shame. So it, it's seeking, like, oh, like, maybe it's comfortable for you to it's soothing to just binge out and watch something you get you get to avoid the other thoughts you have, or with certainty, which we all are looking for and and so he said, If you so, you can't ever say I have a bad habit or I don't want to have good habits. They're just all habits. And then there might be habits you prefer and habits you'd like to get rid of. Anthony Benenati 12:42  Right. I think in the context of the yoga conversation, yoga would simply ask, do your habits serve you? And that's another way to say it, right, whether it's good or bad, is it serving you? Lesley Logan 12:54  Yes. Anthony Benenati 12:55  So maybe at the end of the night, you've had a really shitty night and you need a drink, and most people would go, oh, my God, you teach yoga. You don't drink, right? There's another stereotype. Lesley Logan 13:06  Yeah. Anthony Benenati 13:07  But does that drink serve you in that moment? Is it going to control you? Is it going to take over? No. May it take the edge off and allow you to process the things that you're going through? Sure. Are there other ways to process it? Yes. But not everybody can just be like, you know what, I'm super stressed, and I'm just going to sit and meditate. That's not that's not realistic. Lesley Logan 13:30  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 13:31  It's not realistic for somebody, you have to meet people where they are, yeah, yeah, and make the changes gradually. Lesley Logan 13:38  Well, I mean, do you have to meet yourself where you are? Anthony Benenati 13:41  Well, yes. True.Lesley Logan 13:44  That's a bigger, that's so huge. I just, you just mentioned something I thought it would be really good timing, like, since there is the stereotype of what yoga is, especially in the West, especially in big cities, oh, actually, even now, because the way things work in rural areas. It's just franchises so like so, what is yoga really?Anthony Benenati 14:08  Okay. How long is this podcast?Lesley Logan 14:11  We can have you back for another. We can split it up. Anthony Benenati 14:13  Part two. On its most basic level, yoga is a practice. It's been, well, the iteration that we know as yoga today has only been around a couple of 100 years prior to that, prior to the last 5000 years with yoga, yoga has been a ritual, a path, a practice to transcend the known or the physical, to transcend it to, instead of saying I am my body, yogis back then would say, I am not my body. And then they would use the practice to try and extricate themselves from their body. So, a free soul, you can think of it that way, the soul that inhabits me is limited by this physical boundary, and I'm going to use the yoga practice to liberate myself from this physical, literally, prison, is how they thought of it. But things evolved, and as things do over hundreds and thousands of years, consciousness changes, and societies evolve, and mindsets change, and even language changes. So yoga now has become a physical practice to help the body and the mind connect. So there's a saying that if you keep the body to cool the mind, most people, they start thinking a lot when they stop doing. And that's why a lot of people are just doing all the time, do, do, do, do, do, and there's no room for thinking. And then when they stop doing, all of these thoughts start coming up, and they don't know how to deal with them, so they just start doing again. Which is, I guess, a way of pushing things down so that you don't have to deal with it. Lesley Logan 16:05  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 16:06  Yoga gives us a invitation to try something else. Iit's a, it's an invitation to be like, how does my body work? And how does it work better? And not for the sake of the practice itself, but how is it going to help my life? Even if you do yoga every day, let's just say you do 30 minutes of yoga every day. There's 23 and a half other hours. What else are you going to do? Hopefully your yoga practice is serving that.Lesley Logan 16:37  Yeah, yeah. 30 minutes everyone is 2% of your day. If you want to do the math, it's 2% so if you can't give 2% of yourself to something that helps you become better, the other 98% like, I love that. I love the way that you described it. I think that it's really true. And I think it kind of like takes it away. Because I think people get caught up in the process of yoga, the poses, or the styles, and that's just all process which no one really, like, in the world of marketing guys, sells nothing. No one cares about the process. They care about the transformation, the the idea of like, you know, you said, like, breaking free of this limiting thing that would be like the thing, the promise. Let's go back. You, we kind of got, you got the ego kept you going to yoga. Why did you, like, did you know you wanted to be a teacher? Like, did you, I, because I had the same thing. I went to Pilates kicking and screaming, to be completely honest, and I thought it was a bullshit infomercial workout. And then I loved it, and then I kept going back, because I felt really good. And it wasn't till someone said I should be a teacher that I even thought about being a teacher. So how did you become a teacher? I mean, like, 32 years, take us back.Anthony Benenati 17:46  That's exactly, that's exactly, right, it was my teacher at the time that had told me. He told me after class. Now this was, you know, maybe a year, year and a half into starting with him. But he said, you know, because we've had multiple conversations, not just in the classroom but outside, we'd go and have tea or whatever. And he goes, have you ever thought about teaching yoga? And I said, absolutely not. I mean, why would I? Why would I do that? I barely know the practice. He says, I understand that, and I can get you more information, but I see something in you that I think will help other people. And I think what he saw, and after teaching a whole bunch of teacher trainees myself, the most effectual teacher is someone who understands how people get to the practice. And what I mean by that is if, for instance, if I grew up in the yoga tradition and my parents were teachers, and I had been doing yoga all my life, and I never really understood the struggle of a tight body, of not being able to do the poses, of not understanding the language, of having no connection to yoga, whatsoever. Then I couldn't offer that to anybody else coming into the practice, because I would, I, some of the teachers that I train who are super flexible, for instance, they never understand what it's like not to be so it's hard to have empathy for the student that is having a very difficult time doing the most basic movement. And I think empathy is such an important factor to be a great teacher, you have to be able to put yourself in their shoes. Lesley Logan 17:47  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 17:47  Or barefoot as it, in the yoga studio.Lesley Logan 17:47  Yeah, yeah. I agree. Like, I think, I think, you know, I used to be embarrassed by, like, how I thought so negatively about Pilates, and when I realized it was actually probably the way that made people trust to even try it out, like, I also thought it was bullshit. So, you know, I got it. And then the other thing, like, I do have one of those hypermobile bodies, but I fractured my tibial plateau right before I met and I remember, like, all this fear about, like, what that meant for my Pilates practice, what that meant for my weight training, my running, everything right? Was like, fear going on. And then I also realized in my own healing, how easy I was giving it to people with knee surgeries. Because I was just like, okay, like, don't move this in time thing and so I have an injury, I was like, oh, there's actually a lot of things they can do. There's like, so much like, and there's also so much they can't do, but like, you know, like, we don't have to, like, push them, but at the same token, like, we can challenge this body because it got injured for a reason. There was an imbalance, and that's why that happened.Anthony Benenati 18:11  Correct, correct. And we're here to address that imbalance, right? A lot of times, yoga is translated as union, which is a very simple, and it's not a direct translation. The root word of yoga is actually thousands of years old, and it's yuj, Y-U-J and it means to yoke. Now this is an old fashioned term. You know the yoke when they used to yoke the horse to the cart or the ox to the cart. Lesley Logan 21:02  I'm nodding, because I did do the Oregon Trail, and that is where I learned yoga. Anthony Benenati 21:06  Okay, there you go. So that's the image that I want people to have here, and it's very important, because what you have, so yoga, at that point, becomes an action. It's a verb. It's not just a noun. What is it? But what is it doing? It's joining. But what is it joining? It's joining two different things, right? The cart and the horse. Now, alone, these two things serve purposes, don't they? But if you connect them, then you can do incredible things that neither one of these things could do by themselves. So in the yoga practice, we say one and one never equals two. It always equals three, because there's you, there's the thing, and then there's the thing you guys are creating. So it's you and Brad as individuals, and it's your marriage, which is a living entity. And it has a life of its own. And if you don't feed and nourish that third thing, not only will it die, but then you're broken apart again.Lesley Logan 22:15  Yeah. Yeah. You should become a counselor as well.Anthony Benenati 22:18  What do you think after class is about? When people feel comfortable with you, they come after class and then they start telling you about deeper issues, right, things that not the body, but the why, the why that they're here. Why are they struggling? Why are they having a hard time? I was actually listening to one of your previous podcast this morning, as we were taking me and my wife were taking a walk, Ashley, around the lake here, and we were listening, and it was the client, or the person you had on that had stage four cancer. Lesley Logan 22:54  Oh, yeah. Anthony Benenati 22:55  And I remember you said something, and it was very astute. You said that. Well, you didn't know how many, and I looked it up, we have about 60,000 thoughts a day, and you said about 95% of them are negative, right? And it's true. It's like we have these same repetitive thoughts all throughout the day, and the majority of them, the vast majority of them, are negative or repeat from the day before and the day before and the day before. And at what point do you start addressing this and start changing the narrative? Yoga is the invitation to start learning that you can that there is an issue first and then the tools to change them. Lesley Logan 23:43  Yeah.Anthony Benenati 23:45  So I love yoga as a verb, as an action, not just a thing like we can name it, and you can't just name it and make it yo. You can't just put goats in the room and call it yoga. It's not. Lesley Logan 24:01  Yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean, like, because it's cute everyone and so don't at me. It is adorable, and if it gets people in, sure, but also, like, you're now paying attention to the goat, not you, which is like, another distraction that, you know, I think, like, I think, I think it's really easy, people want to distract themselves from all that's going on. Like, first of all, you've been a teacher since the 90s, so in L.A., which means use your studio was around during lots of things. Like, you know, I don't, I don't remember when, like, the riots were, if your studio is open, but then there was, like, 911 and. Anthony Benenati 24:46  The riots werre '92 so it was just after I got here, so I opened the studio in '99 so 911 happened for us, and that was a remarkable time. Obviously, the next, Gulf War happened, and lots of other things. And, you know, the studio became a community. It became a place for people to go, even if they just wanted to sit and be in the room, let alone practice. I remember the practice after 911 people just wanted to sit and gather and cry and talk and rage and not move. They didn't want to move their bodies. They just needed community. They felt so detached.Lesley Logan 25:24  Yeah. I mean, I wasn't any, I wasn't in a practice at the time, but I remember, because we were in California, so you're so removed, but you're not, you know? And so I can see how, like, your space can be that. And I think, like, it's so cool and also so big to have us to do a practice that can be so many things for people. It can be the community that they need, it could be the safe space that they share, and it can be a constant, like, it's there, no matter when things are good or when things are bad. And we don't have a lot of those things, right? Like, there's not there's not a lot of places or things you can do even when times are good and when times are bad, and I know you're gonna tell me good and bad, but like, you know, in the in the happier, joyful times versus, like, the sadder times.Anthony Benenati 26:09  Right, now we're in a really difficult time, and we've been here before. 2008 we were here the last time this particular President was in office. We were here. And we go through these cycles, and they're not unlike other cycles throughout the history of life, and we will have more. And it's not always positive, it's not always happy, it's not always on the incline. Sometimes it takes a dip. And you and I both know that that's really where you're tested. You're tested in the dips. You're never tested when things are great, and you're never going to change when things are comfortable either. Change only happens when you're uncomfortable.Lesley Logan 26:47  Yeah, it's really true. One of the my favorite things that you would bring up when we were in class is talking about, like, you know, you can't have love without hate, the equal opposite. And I was hoping you can, like, dive into that a little bit for us. Because I think, one, I actually think since these several moments of 2008 and 2016, and and now it's really easy for people to not see good and so it makes me go, like you guys, like you're seeing all the hate. Like, are you recognizing it's equal opposite. But I also, like, I think it's hard. I think people are always waiting for another shoe to drop, as opposed to, like, noticing when things are are also going well. But anyways, I wanted to know if you could, like, just share a little bit about that, because my listeners haven't heard that, and it was my favorite things. Like, Brad brought up your, like, Saturday morning classes today in a call with people, and he said, like, there'd be like, 50 people in this room, and you know, like you would often bring that up, and it was always around the same time that, like, something not great was going on. We all just felt it, whether it was in the city or the world. And like, you have to remind yourself of those things. Anthony Benenati 27:53  It ties into the whole good and bad thing, because it's a reframing of thought. Like, you have to really reframe this idea that even, even if it's something that you don't like, it's serving something. So it's a basic function of physics, like, things wouldn't exist if it didn't have an opposite, right? You wouldn't know joy if you didn't know pain, you wouldn't know laughter if you didn't know sadness, you wouldn't have anything to reference it to. So your capacity to love is directly related to your capacity to hate, to feeling these negative, quote, negative feelings versus these positive. They're there to balance each other out, and it's the idea is that it's your choice which one you want to feed. You remember Star Wars, right? Think about the force. The force is this, is this neutral thing, and it's how you choose to use it. They were all using the same force. But the lesson was, am I going to use this to help empower and further and engage, or am I going to use this for selfish and personal and destructive reasons? Same energy, how do you use it? So rather than wasting your time on whether something is good or bad or right and wrong, it really serves you to think, is this serving me? Because, like you said earlier, at some point in your life, it served you, whether it was to keep you safe when you were a child, for instance, maybe you were in a really bad home life, and you learned coping mechanisms. You learn, for instance, maybe how to shut it out, right, and how to go into your own cave, which is, which is very easy for me to do. If things get too much, I tend to remove myself and go back into this little cave. Well, you can't do that when you're in relationship. Yeah. Well, you certainly can't do that for very long, right? You need tools like, yes, I need to go take 10 or 30 minutes to myself, but I'll be back. It's that communication, to let that other person know I'm not leaving you. I'm not not communicating with you, but I do need to take care of myself. So it's changing, the languaging around this. So it helps me to think, for instance, this bad time that we're having right now, it's temporary. Now, temporary may mean years.Anthony Benenati 27:55  Yeah, I know I had a like, a thing, like, like, a little mantra card that's, everything, everything, everything is temporary. And I'm like, and temporary does not mean two seconds, two minutes, two weeks.Anthony Benenati 30:02  Exactly. There is no time limit on temporary, but it will end. Things always do. Things always change, but it was helpful to me to look at kind of life in that different way. I wasn't raised like that. I was raised as a Catholic, so it was always guilt and shame and right and wrong and very linear thinking, very black and white thinking, very dualistic, instead of this idea that maybe it's not so black and white, maybe there is the gray. And I think we're all learning that extremism on either end is not the path. So, far right or far left, we're not going to get anywhere because we're isolating. We have to find a way to start communicating again and finding common ground and stop making other the problem. Lesley Logan 31:41  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 31:43  That's my that's my I think that goes on and off the mat. Don't look at your body as a bad thing. Don't look at it as something that you need to conquer or change, or that somehow there's something wrong with you. How can I enhance myself? How can I make me who I am, and everything that I am that may not be somebody else, but very unique to me. How can I make myself even better, a better version of me, not, not somebody else. I don't have to be somebody else. I just have to be the best me I can be.Lesley Logan 32:18  Yeah. That makes me think of like, I interviewed a happiness strategist, and I was like, you know, I was like, this is interesting, because, like, like, can you be happy all the time? And she's like, well, of course not. She's like, like, she's like, she's like, but she said your ability to be happy is as directly related to how uncomfortable you can get, like, how comfortable withuncomfortable. You can get like, that's, can you like, what's your resilience? And she, you know, and I think, like, I think a lot of people have been outsourcing so long how they feel based on, like, what's going on out in the world, and not going back to like, how can I make myself the best version? Because we can affect the people around us more easily when you were talking about other it made me think you guys Google the Heineken commercial. It's quite long, but they literally took, like, people of opposite extremes and like, they took a guy who, like, voted against gay marriage, and then they took a lesbian and they put them in a room together, and they have to, like, build a desk, right? And like, and they, a table, or they build something. And the guy, like, this one guy is like, completely, I got this. I like, I can do these things, right? And she's like, and like, so they have to work together to build this thing. And like, each personal strengths have to do it, and then they have to sit down and have a beer. And at the end, the people who like when they interviewed them before they met the person they're building with, it would be like, I don't understand transgenders. I think they have to know rights, blah, blah, blah. And then they meet someone who's transgender, but they just built this desk together, and you watch this person go, well, let's have another drink and like, so it's really fascinating that, like, if we can actually stop, you know, being on the opposite sides, we can actually be together, and you get to know people, you're more likely to hear them and listen to them and realize we're kind of like what you think has been influenced by so much, by other people who are louder and you you actually love people who are around you more than you know, you know? And so I think that's what's so beautiful about a yoga class, or even Pilates classes, they can attract people from all sides of a spectrum and have a shared experience. And you know, because, and the more they get to know themselves, the more ideally, and this may be the idealist in me, like they think about caring for others, because they can, because once you've, once you've taken care of you, you actually have the capacity to actually care about other people.Anthony Benenati 34:45  Oxygen mask, baby. It's all about putting on your oxygen mask, right? You got to put yours on first. You can't help anybody else if you're passed out. But I like what you said there, too, because Yoga does want to meet people where they're at. I remember, I had this woman in class. She always sat up front and in the beginning of class, at that time, we would chant the sound of om in the beginning of class, just to settle the class and get things going. And she would never chant, and that's fine. You don't have to, right? It's again, everything's an invitation. But she did come up to me after class one day, and we had a conversation, and I asked her why, and she says, well, you know, I'm a devout Jew, and I feel like I'm sort of disrespecting my tradition if I'm doing something I don't understand. And I said, well, I'm so glad that you brought that up. First of all, yoga doesn't care what you believe. You can believe you know, Orange is God, and you can still practice. Yoga doesn't require a belief, it just requires a willingness. And I said, well, you're a devout Jew, so what are you comfortable saying? And she said, well, shalom. And I said, Well, what's in the middle of shalom? And she said om. And I said, exactly. So from that point on, we would chant om, and she would chant shalom, and she would just hold the om. It, for some reason, it gave her permission. It was totally fine with everybody else, and then she felt included. That was a wonderful story. Lesley Logan 36:19  I love that. I think also giving people permission, right? Like, I think that's what, you know, people can have permission to move their body, but also be in practice. Like, that's why it's called a yoga practice, and I think that's what it does so well, something that, like, I call it a Pilates practice, and there are a lot of people like me who call it practice, but there's also a lot of people who don't understand that, and they don't call it that, and they're like, I gotta get this. And it's like, no, what are you talking about, like, you're never gonna like, you don't get that. Like, it's your body. Your body's different every single day. Like, there are days like, at 6am I do Pilates, and at 8am I work out with you, and my body between those two hours is very different. And I'm like, whoa. I, what happened on my dog walk that this is no longer an option. I do, I do like that. Okay, I want to go into, because I think, like, you have had so many chapters in your yoga career, and what how you are, how you are teaching yoga now, is very different than what you did for the majority on your studio and things like that. Like we talk about some, be it till you see it moments and like, kind of like, what your what are you being till you see it, right now?Anthony Benenati 37:20  You're right. I did go through a lot when you when you have a studio for that long, you know, you go through a lot of changes, including me and my original partner, we split, and then there was that moment where you had to decide who's going to fight for this, who's going to get the studio, because we both wanted it, and that was that was all about desire. Do you really want this? And how bad do you want it? And then after that, there were other things that came up every time you're being tested. And you will be tested no matter how committed you think you are to whatever it is that you think you want, you're going to continue to be tested. And it just is a way to reaffirm, do I really want to be it? Do I really want to do this? For me now, you're right. It is different. My body is different. My practice is different, and not in a bad or a good way, just different. This is the different body than it was when it was in my late 20s. Being it now is, for me, is really being about being authentic, being authentic to the moment, being authentic to my students, but really being authentic to my own inner voice. And every time I get on the mat, the first thing I tell my students is, listen, listen to your body. It's going to tell you something different today than it did yesterday. If you come onto the mat with an agenda, most of the time, you're going to be disappointed, because you don't know that your body's ready to do those things that day, that particular day, maybe you need something completely different than you thought. We have to be open to that. And then the day I decided that my time of studio ownership was over, that was a tough one. That was a really hard day. But the moment I decided to make that shift, I felt so much more freedom. Yoga had changed, you know, it really had become corporate. At this point, it was being completely watered down. People were barely doing teacher trainings and leading yoga classes, and it just became too much of a struggle to do the business of yoga versus being the teacher. You know, when you own your own business, you never are not working. That's the thing. It's 24/7 right? You don't get to clock out and go home and forget about it. Lesley Logan 39:50  Yeah, there's a reason why I like, watch White Lotus. I'm like, because I'm not where I can't work and watch White Lotus like, this is me being awesome. That's how it serves me. Even if it, like, gives me a little stress and anxiety, I'm like, but I'm not working, so I get it, no, like, I mean, like, yeah, and then I I, I'm where I'm married to someone I work with. So it's never, it's never off. Yeah, but I, thank you for sharing that, because, I mean, like, I think a lot of people, there's an aspiration to start something or do something or own something. But as you said, you've evolved. Not only has yoga evolved, but you've evolved. Your body has changed. And I think sometimes we forget that as we evolve, we outgrow some roles, you know, and like, just like you outgrow clothes, like you outgrow, like you outgrow a role, and it's like owning a studio serves such a good purpose, like a good purpose at the time, like you had a partner and a family and, like all these things. And then it also got to a place where it's like all this is changing, and I have, too, you know, but that's so hard to like, because it's like a light switch. Anthony Benenati 40:58  Yeah. Well, you know, I had felt it, but not really paid attention to it. And you know how your body does, your body will jump in there and it'll call your attention. And I literally had my one and only panic attack at that moment. It was like, oh yeah, this is a sign you are not in a good place. This, this, this, it's time to get out. It's time this, this had run its course. And that was a hard decision to really give up the thing that you worked so hard to create. But it was also learning that that was separate from who I was, that we were not inextricably connected, that we were these individual things, and we did create a third thing, but that third thing was dying, and it was time to change into something else.Lesley Logan 41:46  Yeah, yeah. What are you most excited about right now?Anthony Benenati 41:51  Oh my gosh, we are empty nesters. That's the most, 25 years of being a parent.Lesley Logan 41:59  I had someone I just interviewed. She's like, I'm a bird launcher. She's like, I've launched all my birds. They're all birds. They're all launched. Like, the positive of that.Anthony Benenati 42:10  It is so true. We are so excited about this next chapter for us, which is freedom in a lot of different ways, right? I mean, you're never not the parent, but they don't need you every day anymore. They need you when they need you and and happy to be there when they do. Like this morning, my youngest called from college, and she stayed on the phone for over an hour. And she just needed feedback. She needed to connect. She didn't necessarily need a ton of advice. She just, you could feel that she needed connection. For now, for me, it really is about this next chapter. Your lives are a bunch of chapters, and at being, you know, 50, I'll be 58 this year. It's a very I know, right? Yeah, I can't believe it myself, but this idea now that I can make choices solely for me or solely for us as a couple and not oh my god, what are we going to do with the kids, and is this child going to come? Or are they not going to come, or are we going to do this all together, that we can make these choices for ourselves, I'm really excited about that. That's the personal aspect of it. Professionally, professionally, things have changed, you know, ever since covid, everybody went online, and which is great. It's a great way to connect to everybody, but I still feel the need to be in the classroom, yeah, and we do those in persons, and we do those yoga retreats, and we do those monthly workshops, just so that people can have that feeling of connection and community again. Lesley Logan 43:52  Yeah, I think that's why we do our tours, too. Like, I love being online, because I can impact people without having to travel as much. And also, like, I need to see bodies in three dimensions.Anthony Benenati 44:03  Right. How do you make an adjustment with you can't see and touch? Lesley Logan 44:06  No, I'm literally going so if I was there, I would hold your arms still. Imagine I'm like, is your child around? Can they grab your arms and hold them? Hold their hold their arms. Okay. Now go.Anthony Benenati 44:18  That's so good. Lesley Logan 44:19  You know, but like, I think, I think that's why, like, I like the idea of, like, really reframing what's good or bad. Because, like, I think it could be so easy, like, back before the pandemic, like, oh, online is terrible. You can't have those things. But we, Brad and I used to, like, call you just be on the phone. Because I was like, I can't handle the traffic. I can't but I want you. So just, just be on just be on speakerphone, and we'll mute ourselves, and we'll be, you know, but like, when the pandemic happened, I was like, oh, I love this, because now I can have access to the people, I don't live in the same town as you, and I, Brad and I still get to have that practice with you, and I think, but also, yeah, we miss, like, actual hugs and actually seeing people, and you have to be more intentional. But I think that that, I think then we are more intentional, you know, so that is also cool.Anthony Benenati 45:08  Yeah, we really mourned the day you guys left.Lesley Logan 45:12  When we moved from L.A. to Las Vegas was during the pandemic, and we didn't actually have a mourning, because nothing was actually happening in person, the more like it was a year and a half later when things opened back up and we were not part of the opening back up that was like, so it was a delayed mourning, a delayed grief for us. Okay, obviously, we're gonna all catch up, guys. We're gonna take a brief break, find out how people can find you, follow you, do yoga with you. Anthony Benenati 45:39  Great. Lesley Logan 45:40  All right, Anthony, where do you hang out? Like, are you on the Instagram? Or is there just a simpler way? How can people do yoga with you or learn more about what you're doing? Where do you where can they go? Anthony Benenati 45:52  Well, they can go to my website, which is, thatsnotyoga.com and of course, there's a story behind that, because that's a pretty bold statement, which was intentional. One of the misconceptions about yoga is that anything goes, right, and that is so far from the truth. If yoga is about anything, it's about setting meaningful boundaries. So if you take a bunch of energy and you narrow it, you're going to increase the flow of that energy. Just think of water. Take a lake. Narrow the boundaries. It becomes a river. Narrow the boundaries even more, becomes a raging river. So most people think that if you limit their choices, then you're limiting their freedom. But I call it the Cheesecake Factory theory. Walk into a Cheesecake Factory and you sit down, and they literally throw you down a book. And they're like, okay, what do you want? And you can have anything. The book is like, an inch thick. And I just get overloaded because there's too many choices. I much prefer to go to a restaurant where they just print the menu that day and there's six things on it, and you can have this, this or this, and I'm like, great, I'll have that. The narrowing of your choices actually gives you more freedom, because you're constantly saying no to a bunch of things while you're saying yes to a limited amount of things, right? Like being in marriage, you're saying yes to Brad and no to everybody else. It's this process that continues throughout your entire day, right? What am I letting in? What am I consciously keeping away? I love that understanding.Lesley Logan 47:42  I love that. So you guys just so you know, because he didn't say it, but I'm gonna say it for him. Brad and I can do yoga online with this man. You do it three times a week. I try to show up twice a week when I'm there. And Brad, we're getting him on the 8 am wake up call. We're working on. Do you remember? Do you remember when he used to do it 6 am? I think we have to remind him that he used to do 6 am yoga. Anthony Benenati 48:03  Absolutely. Lesley Logan 48:03  When the bed was further away from the studio was the the thing. So you guys can do that. You can find that on, on, thatsnot yoga.com. You kind of just gave us a Be It Action Item. But I just want to see like, if there's any other bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. Anthony Benenati 48:18  Okay. The the, the the triad, the triumvirate that we like to follow in the practice, is desire, knowledge, action. Those are my Be It moments. To break it down, you got to want to do something, then you have to learn how to do it, and then you do it, this whole idea of just do it, that's not going to work. Just doing something without knowing how to do it can cause you harm doing something and you don't have the real desire to do it, you're not going to put your best effort in. If you do those three things in that order, you can pretty much do whatever you want to do. You've got to want to do it. You got to learn how to do it, and then you simply have to do it, and you have to commit to doing it over and over and over again to create that meaningful change. Those are my action items. And the thing is, is, if you don't want to do it, don't do it. That's the thing. You're, exactly, more freedom. And that's whole, that's yoga's goal. Yoga just wants you to be more free. But that doesn't mean no boundaries. It means establishing meaningful boundaries, boundaries that are going to channel you in the direction you want to go. And guess what, people, you can always change your mind. You can always change your mind.Lesley Logan 49:48  I mean, that is like that needs to be on people's walls. Because I find like, you know, like, imagine if you never gave yourself permission to change your mind. You might, you might, the world might have lost a yoga teacher that day, because you would have had a panic attack and then a burnout, you know, like, you can change your mind on your schedule, you can change your mind on your goals. You can change your mind on lot of things, like, you know, and that is for the perfectionist, listening. That might be the hardest thing you learn.Anthony Benenati 50:14  I'm speaking to you, perfectionist.Lesley Logan 50:17  Yeah, oh my gosh, Anthony, obviously I could talk to you for hours. And clearly Brad is like itching to walk in this room, you guys, so we gotta let him in so you can say hi to his friend, but thank you for being here, and thank you for just sharing so much of your wisdom. I continue to learn from you. Always. I can't wait to learn more. Someday we're gonna do a joint Pilates, yoga. That is my dream. That is my vision. Maybe on the Summer Tour. Maybe you'll be our L.A. event. So see, you guys, let us know what your favorite takeaways were. Let Anthony know in thatsnotyoga. Let the Be It Pod know and share this with a friend who needs to hear it, because that's how everyone wins. You know, we all can take away something from this, and I'd love to hear what yours are, and you know what to do, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 51:02  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 51:41  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 51:46  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 51:50  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 51:58  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 52:01  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 52:14  I'm interviewing Anthony. Anthony Benenati 52:15  Hi, Brad. Lesley Logan 52:16  Yeah, it's an interview right now. No, we're not done. You're just interrupting. We'll put this in the bloopers. He's come in twice, and I'm like, um. Anthony Benenati 52:24  What's up, buddy? Brad Crowell 52:26  I wanted to say hi. Lesley Logan 52:27  Yeah. Okay, alright, one second, let me get to those Be It Action Items. Okay. We'll talk.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Send us a textWelcome to Alternative Dog Moms - a podcast about what's happening in the fresh food community and the pet industry.   Kimberly Gauthier is the blogger behind Keep the Tail Wagging, and Erin Scott hosts the Believe in Dog podcast.CHAPTERS:Current status of the DCM Class Action lawsuit filed by Daniel's company KetoNatural (0:55);A NEW study showing NO connection between different diets for dogs and DCM (12:30);Scientific studies that Daniel and KetoNatural are involved in (30:36);Nutritional science knowledge of lay people versus veterinarians (39:47);How you can support KetoNatural (50:41)LINKS DISCUSSED:Invest in KetoNaturalEpisode 88: DCM Class Action Lawsuit with Daniel Schulof - KetoNatural Pet Foods - Part 1Episode 91: DCM Class Action Lawsuit with Daniel Schulof - KetoNatural Pet Foods - Part 2Read the lawsuit Complaint filed by KetoNaturalNEW DCM Study in Journal of Animal Science: Different Carbohydrate Sources in Dog Foods Supported Overall Health and Cardiac Function: An 18-Month Prospective Study in Healthy Adult DogsStudy No. 1 by Dr. Anna K. Shoveller: Feeding of a high protein, low carbohydrate diet leads to greater postprandial energy expenditure and fasted n6: n3 fatty acid ratio in lean, adult dogs compared to a moderate protein, moderate carbohydrate dietStudy No. 2 by Dr. Anna K. Shoveller: Dogs fed a high protein, low carbohydrate diet have elevated postprandial plasma glucagon and amino acid concentrations and tend to have lower glucose concentrations compared to two different moderate protein, moderate carbohydrate dietsSOCIAL MEDIA:Facebook.com/RawFeederLifeFacebook.com/BelieveInDogPodcastInstagram.com/RawFeederLifeInstagram.com/Erin_the_Dog_MomThanks for listening to our podcast. You can learn more about Erin Scott's first podcast at BelieveInDogPodcast.com. And you can learn more about raw feeding, raising dogs naturally, and Kimberly's dogs at KeepTheTailWagging.com. And don't forget to subscribe to The Alternative Dog Moms.

In this empowering FYF episode, Lesley shares seven oddly specific affirmations for real-life challenges, celebrates community and personal wins, and reminds us that investing in our well-being is a radical act of self-respect. Whether it's prioritizing annual health checkups or attracting clients through genuine passion—this episode is all about showing up for yourself.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Seven affirmations for real-life challenges and energy shifts.Charlotte Coker's success in attracting a new, excited Pilates client.How preventive care is essential for living your best life long-term.The importance of being informed and making wise decisions about your health.Episode References/Links:Seven Oddly Specific Affirmations - https://www.instagram.com/p/DI9R3AZuSk_Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:44  Hi, Be It babe. How are you we're getting towards the end of August. Can you believe it? It is like the it's like the end of summer, this is when we start to get really sad about things, or maybe you're at the end of winter where you are, and you're like, thank God. So, so anyways, we're about to enter a different season in the world, and so I just want to say, make sure you take time for yourself to reflect back on what you did like about what you did, and what you want to change, because you have plenty of months to do that. Just plenty of time. There is, if we make it, you take time. And also, we don't try to be perfect, perfect about it, right? So on this episode, I share something that inspired me. I share one of yours. Hopefully it inspires you that there are wins everywhere in your life. I share a win of mine, and I share a mantra which may or may not have been skipped on those last three. Sometimes, again, I'm like, oh, I'm good. That was a great episode. And then I'm like, oh, there's a mantra. This is what happened, so I apologize if you missed the mantra. Lesley Logan 1:36  All right. So here we go. This inspired me, Seven Oddly Specific Spoken Affirmations. So, Your Spoken Spells for the Everyday. I kind of like, I like weird things like this, so hopefully you do, too. So we'll always put the link in the show notes, in case you want to, like, save any of them for your own life. And I would love to know which ones you saved. You can even send it in, you can DM us. You could also send in your wins and questions to the beitpod.com/questions. All right, so Seven Oddly Specific Affirmations, an affirmation for when time feels scarce and the to-do list won't quit. Ready? I am not behind. I am exactly where I need to be. Time expands for what matters, and I move through my tasks with ease. I release the illusion of urgency. What is mine to do will get done. That's for when you have an endless to do list. Okay. An affirmation for creative blocks and trust in your flow. I am a channel, not a critic. My creativity is alive and abundant. I do not force. I follow. I allow the ideas to move through me as they wish, knowing what an inspiration is cyclical and never lost. An affirmation for spring cleaning and clearing stagnant energy. So I know it's not springtime, but you know what it might be time to clear some stagnant energy where you are. As I clear my space, I clear my mind, I release what no longer aligns, making room for new energy to flow. My home is a reflection of me open, fresh and ready for what's next, a spoken manifesto for body gratitude beyond just movement. My body is not a problem to solve. My body is not waiting to be fixed. My body is a home, a landscape, a masterpiece in motion. I live here and I live well. A chant for expressing your personal style of confidence. I wear what makes me feel alive. My style is not for approval. It is my own joy. And I am bold. I am effortless. My style is extension of my inner beauty. A spell to banish the energy of an ex. Yes, really. I release what no longer holds me. I cut the cords. I reclaim my energy. I call my heart back home. What is gone is gone, and I no longer open doors to the past. An affirmation disrupt to disrupt self-doubt at work. I'm an asset, not an accident. I know my value. I own my ideas. I bring value to the team. My efforts are enough. I release the need to over-explain or prove myself. I already belong. So, hopefully those were fun for you. They were really fun for me. Lesley Logan 4:12  All right, time for a win of yours. All right. This is from Charlotte Coker. We know her from Agency, and she wrote, got a new private client who has never done Pilates, and she's loving it. She wants to attend two to three times weekly, heading to inbound studio shortly to attend for workshop with Carrie Pagès. Carrie is a dear friend of mine, so of course, it's so fun for me. So Charlotte, I hope you had the best time at Carrie's studio. Way to invest in yourself and give yourself permission to go do something that like lights you up, and way to be so passionate that someone who's never done Pilates before not only wants to do it with you, but wants to do it multiple times a week. That's huge. That's a big deal. Getting anyone to go from zero to three times in a week is a big deal. So congratulations. Thanks for sharing that with us. You guys, just being like, excited about what you do goes a long way. And I know not all of you are in business for yourself, and so that's not the point. But like, you are a magnet for great people to be in your lives. If you're passionate about things. I'm not saying, like, lie and fake it, but like, be it till you see it is about going well, who is it that I want to be? If the person I want to be doesn't complain and judge and criticize and mope, then what would I be doing? How would I be acting if I was already on the other side of this, right? And then it will help you. Oh, I need that version of me would have done therapy. That version of me would have moved. That version of me would have taken that new job, whatever it is, right? Like it helps you filter out what you're going to do. So thank you, Charlotte. Lesley Logan 5:40  Okay, a win of mine. I'm really proud of myself. I've got all my annual visits done. So, dermatologist, the mammogram, gynecologist, blood work, all is done. So, so excited to have to say that and share that and well, how is it a win? Because there's always a reason to postpone those things. There's always a reason to postpone those things. And when you do, my loves, you suffer because you actually, your body is able to, kind of like, tolerate some things. You can start to tolerate feeling moody, you can start to tolerate feeling uncomfortable. You can start to tolerate, oh, I'm just getting older, so that's why I have this or that. No, some of these things have solutions, right? And so I'm not saying, like, become obsessive, but get your annuals done. And I when I talked about a mammogram a year ago, I had a bunch of people, maybe not like, a dozen, but like, at least seven people from around the world going I heard mammograms aren't worth doing. And I said, oh, did they suggest something else for you? And they're like, No. And I'm like, why on earth would you listen to someone say that something doesn't work, but then they don't provide an option that does? You guys, like that kind of shit pisses me off, because making women scared of things that could save their lives, but not offering an alternative that will save their life. Fuck that like I'm not okay with that. So yeah, mammograms can miss things, and maybe they're not great for you, but they also can do ultrasounds, right? There's other things you can do. Please do not let people who sound very confident scare the heck out of you, out of preventative measures that can keep you from getting sick or dying, right? Please do your research. It's really, really, really important to me that you hear that and that you know that, like, do the research about and not, and this is the hard thing, right? Oh, when you hear people say, oh, go do your own research. A lot of the research out there that's a bunch of shit, because it's just some people, like, preponderance of crap scaring you. So truly, it's gonna be hard, especially flummo states, and they've gotten rid of some stuff, but, but do, do call your doctors? Do find out like, well, where, where did you get that information? Where can I read about it? How can what's the best resources I can look at? For the pros and cons, for me, they can help you, right? So don't go off on some influencer who says I'm a wellness doctor. Like, go, go. I'm not one. So go find go. Like, talk to the doctors that you'd love and trust and ask them where they you can do the research so that you can arm yourself with the best information they are in practice, they're not perfect. We don't do perfect around here. So anyways, I am so proud. I got all those done, and it's I got them done before the summer tour, so I don't have to worry about it, and now I can enjoy the rest of the year. Start them again next year, but we got to take care of ourselves. You know, getting older is not for the weak. It just really, really isn't. And so that's why I do Pilates. That's why I wear a weight vest. That's why I I check on my hormones. It's why I bring on all the guests that we bring on to help you make sure you can be till you see it all the way into the very end. Hopefully it's over 100 having the time of your life, enjoying what you do. Lesley Logan 8:39  Anyways, I do end these episodes usually with a mantra, so let me give you yours. Holy moly, can't believe this. We're coming okay, oh, this is great. I nourish myself with kind words and joyful foods. I nourish myself with kind words and joyful foods. I nourish myself with kind words and joyful foods. I love that go. Go be kind to yourself. Be your own best friend. All right, share this with a friend who needs to hear it and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:09  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 9:51  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 9:56  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 10:01  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 10:08  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 10:11  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Today's recap episode revisit Lesley's conversation with Sarah Rhoads, founder of Commbi Shoes. They explore Sarah's journey from a thriving photography career to becoming an innovative footwear entrepreneur, the intentional choices behind her reinvention, and how she learned to chase fear instead of letting it chase her. This recap digs into the role of curiosity, alignment, and persistence in turning a personal problem into a purpose-driven product.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Redefining fear as a signal for growth instead of a stop sign.Why trust and self-belief is crucial when building a business.The importance of protecting your autonomy to avoid burnout.Why specific regular habits are a form of prioritizing self-care.Episode References/Links:Online Pilates Classes - https://onlinepilatesclasses.comUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the trailblazing convo, can I say that one more time? Dig into the trailbr. Brad Crowell 1:05  Wow. Maybe you can't.Lesley Logan 1:08  I might not be able to wave it in. Dig into the trailblazing convo I had with Sarah Rhoads in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, you should. You'll also hear me fuck up her the name of her business right after she told me exactly how not to say it. And I just want to apologize, Sarah, you told me, I heard you. I was like, yeah, don't call it that, and then called it that. And I just want to say, like, I it wasn't intentional. Anyways, we'll get into Sarah Rhoads and her amazingness in just a second. Lesley Logan 1:38  But Today is August 21st 2025 and it's Internet Self-Care Day. Brad Crowell 1:42  Yes, it is. Lesley Logan 1:42  So after this, probably get off the internet, is what it's going to say. But listen to this first. Internet Self-Care Day is celebrated each year on August 21st. This holiday is dedicated to using the internet to, oh, actually, it's different than I thought. Brad Crowell 1:56  Yes, it is. Lesley Logan 1:56  Using the internet to find resources that can help you take care of yourself. Many of us are so preoccupied with taking care of others, whether at work or at home, that we forget to take care of ourselves. Not these Be It Pod listeners, right? Self-Care is described as caring for oneself through practices that promote. I just love how they use that word to define the word. They do it all the time. Self-care is described as caring for oneself through practices that promote health and active management of illness when it strikes. There are many ways to regularly practice self-care through food choices, exercise, sleep and dental care. For example, dental care, yeah, that's a form of self-care. Also going to get your annual visits are a form of self-care. I say drinking enough water is a form of self-care, like self-care can be free.Brad Crowell 2:42   I think the doctor's office visit thing is a big deal, you know, like. Lesley Logan 2:46  Because it's so hard to get the appointment. It's so easy to ignore them. It's taken four people to get me a doctor's appointment.Brad Crowell 2:53  Yeah, it's a, it's like a, it's a rabbit hole, right? And that's, that's half the problem is, like, you always have to start with your GP and then your GPS refer you to these other places and lalalalala whatever. But the point is that that, like, it's, it's, um, you know, it's a multiple step. It's such a multi-step process, and there's so much time between that. Like, it just feels like one of the things, you're like, I'll get to it eventually. Lesley Logan 3:15  Yeah. And then eventually you're like, oh, shit, it's been, like, a few years on. Brad Crowell 3:16  Yeah, it's been years. Lesley Logan 3:16  But if you do The Artist's Way, one of an artist states could be actually, like, making your doctor's appointments because they're so hard to do. They're not normal, right, just, like, to do. Anyways, if you are in the U.S. and you're trying to navigate your way through this shithole of a healthcare system, I see you, I hear you. Everyone gets to pick a cause in this world, and if that's gonna be yours, like, I will champion it with you. I'll highlight on your side. Like, I'm a big fan of dog rescues, but, like, I got a girlfriend who's we have a friend whose husband just had a random stroke. He's fucking our age. And she's stuck in another state, and she can't get, her insurance will cover the helicopter from Detroit to Denver, and she can't get Kaiser to just sign this one piece of paper. So they're stuck in a hospital for now, we're going on seven days waiting for someone to sign the piece of paper, and she's like, what do you have to do? I'm like, local news. That's we have to do, unfortunately, GoFundMe and local news. So anyways, self-care is going to your doctor's appointments. Take care of yourself. Also take care of yourself, because clearly, medical systems can't take care of you. So you got to care for yourself today. Brad Crowell 4:19  You know, they're, they're, yes, they're, they can't take care of you, and there's, they're not going to be reliable in the near future either, so. Lesley Logan 4:19  But if you hear an ad from FemGevity, I really do like them, and they are a great go-between, because they are the they actually answer my questions and they.Brad Crowell 4:33  But that's the irony. We're talking about a third party company, not the healthcare system. Lesley Logan 4:39  Right, right, right, right. Brad Crowell 4:40  And they better have their shit together. And yes, they do, and good for them for that. But also, what the fuck that it takes this to have that.Lesley Logan 4:48  Yeah, no, I have, I had to go pay on somehow on top of what I already paid for to get the help. But you know what? It's cheaper than being sick. So here, and also, like it has helped me. They've helped with my hormone therapy. They helped with my sleep. They helped with my digestion. So that's an act of self-care. So anyways, that got became a healthcare self-care day. But we'll, we'll move on. Lesley Logan 5:07  Today, we are back from our tour, and we are getting ready to go to the U.K. Brad Crowell 5:13  Oh, wait, there's one more self-care I wanted to talk about. Lesley Logan 5:15  Oh, what? Brad Crowell 5:16  OPC. Lesley Logan 5:17  Oh, OPC is absolutely a great way to. Brad Crowell 5:19  You could use the internet to take class and get you movement in on onlinepilatesclasses.com. Lesley Logan 5:24  I just want to give OPC a shout out in amazing way. So, in today's world where everyone's trying to sell you on some gimmick bullshit of what Pilates is, Pilates arms, and how you have to look a certain way, fuck that at OPC, we will never sell you on weight loss. We will never tell you that you have to get that Pilates will make your bio look a certain way, but we will make you strong as fuck and make sure you have the longevity for the life you want to live. You will have so much support. If you only take five minutes of a class, we will still cheer you on and championship you. If you miss a week, you're like, oh my god, I missed it. We were like, That's okay. You're here today. Like you have unconditional constant support of people, a bunch of women and a few good men, constantly supporting you, no matter what you look like, where you're at in your practice, how old you are, what you can do. Brad Crowell 6:07  A community is great. Lesley Logan 6:09  It's freaking awesome. And I am pissed off this week over recording this. It's obviously a different week than you're listening to it, but if you were on my Instagram, I'm so pissed off at the way people think they can talk about women's bodies and what a body is supposed to look like, and Pilate Arms and the New York fucking Times did a whole episode on Pilates arms, episode, article and the opinion page on Pilates arms. Brad Crowell 6:31  Did they really? Lesley Logan 6:31  And, yes, they did. And then, because I can't read, it's behind a paywall and I'm too pissed to give him money, they tried to attribute it to political beliefs. Let me explain you right now. There's no such thing as Pilates arm so there's no way in hell, Pilates can be a right or left situation, but if you have arms, you can do Pilates. Congratulations. Pilates arms. Correlation is not causation, like people try to use Jennifer Aniston as like, oh, Jennifer Aniston's arms is because of Pilates. No. Jennifer Aniston's arms are because she's Jennifer Aniston, who happens to do Pilates. You like anyways, so at OPC, we'll never sell you on that ship, because that they're lying to you. We are honest people about Pilates being here for your longevity, for the health of it, for the self-care of it. So anyway, okay, I'll get off.Brad Crowell 6:32  Especially the self-care of it. So love that. Lesley Logan 7:05  Get off my high horse. Brad Crowell 7:19  September is coming and we're going to be in the U.K. We're very excited to be coming back. It's been two years since we've been there. We're going to be in two locations, we're going to be in Leeds, we're going to be in Essex. So if that is near you, or if you know anyone who's in the area, even if they have to drive a couple of hours, we're flying halfway across the world to be there. We'd love to meet them.Lesley Logan 7:39  We're actually driving all the way to Essex. Brad Crowell 7:42  We, we are, we are driving. We're driving all the way up to Scotland and all the way back down to Essex.Lesley Logan 7:48  Yes and we don't even drive on that side of the road. So you can get on a train.Brad Crowell 7:53  We'll be driving for more than 20 hours in the U.K.Lesley Logan 7:55  You can fly from Europe to see us. Okay?Brad Crowell 7:59  I agree. Lesley Logan 7:59  No excuses. Brad Crowell 8:00  Go to opc.me/uk opc.me/uk and then in October, we're going to be at Pilates On Tour in Chicago, in Burr Ridge. Lesley Logan 8:11  Burr Ridge. It's in Chicago Land, specifically, Brad. And do you know what's really funny is, people are like there's no such thing as Chicago Land. But then Rachel Maddow goes, I love Chicago because it has this thing called Chicago Land. And I was like, it's a thing. We'll be in Burr Ridge. It's the sexiest part of Chicago. You know it. Anyways, last week, so, last week, when we recorded this, so a month ago, more than a month ago, it was 75% sold out. So don't wait to get your tickets. Like, you can get a day pass. You can get a weekend pass. Brad Crowell 8:38  I mean, there might only be those left. Lesley Logan 8:40  Yeah. So the day pass, I'm teaching the Joe's Gyms. We're gonna have a booth. Yeah, it's also our 10th year wedding anniversary, so come celebrate with us. Brad Crowell 8:48  Oh, actually, literally, that weekend. Lesley Logan 8:49  Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the first, first time we'll get on a plane while the time changes, and we miss it all together. So, so check it out. Just Google POT Chicago, and the link is way too long. They didn't give us a short one. Then we're going to be in Cambodia, and you can join us go to crowsnestretreats.com. I mean, you can literally sign up even as close to two weeks before the retreat, because it's Cambodia.Brad Crowell 8:49  Or if you're coming from Singapore or Australia, it's really easy, you know, yeah, we'd love to come have you. Come join us at crowsnestretreats.com.Lesley Logan 9:18  Also October, because my team just thinks I'll just work every day. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. There's days off, don't worry. There's days off. We are going on making a Singapore event happen, because it's very rare that we have a layover during the daytime. So we have a layover during the daytime, and so we can do an event at Singapore. So reach out to us about that. And then our winter tour is going to be in December. It's going to be humongous and we'll announce this in the fall. Brad Crowell 9:43  Yes, it is, this one's going to be even bigger than last year, and I'm already we're already planning it right now, in the summer, we're already planning it. We're going to be opening the doors to all that stuff in October, so. Lesley Logan 9:57  While we're, while we're off around the world, you can be signing up for that winter tour, so make sure you watch out for that. Okay, before we get into Sarah Rhoads, we have a question to answer. Brad Crowell 10:08  We sure did. Yeah, this is from a friend, Hilary Billings. She DM-ed you and said hey, do you like your weight vest? Needing to get one but I can't figure out what size or configuration would make most sense for me. I also don't want to look ridiculous, but I think I might just have to get over that.Lesley Logan 10:23  Yeah, so I do have a link to, here's the deal, it's not a, it's not a sexy company. You're gonna have to buy it on Amazon. But I have the link to the one I like, so.Brad Crowell 10:32  We'll put that in the show notes. Lesley Logan 10:33  Check the show notes. Okay, I think. Brad Crowell 10:36  Why do you like the one that one? What is it about it that makes it, I know we've gone through a couple.Lesley Logan 10:41  Yeah, so we're going back to the one I like, because the one that I have, I don't, I don't like the one that I have currently, and that's what I told her, so I like the one I had before, but I traded with Sue, because her husband bought her a 20-pound vest. She's not 100 pounds, guys. So, so here's the information about a weighted vest. You want one that's around 10% maybe 15% of your body weight, okay, so that's what you want. And there's a company that is called, like, Omorpho, and I'm trying to get. Brad Crowell 11:10  Is this the one that you shared with her? Lesley Logan 11:12  I tried to note I didn't share that with her. I try, I have an affiliate to that, and I don't like the vests are sexy and they're useless. It is two pounds or four pounds for women, and then six or eight pounds for men, what? And they're $300 so don't buy that one until I tell you to which is when they I said oh, I'll promote your vest when you have a weighted vest that actually makes sense with science. So it's beautiful, sexy, not ridiculous-looking, a waste of $300 and it doesn't even do what you need to do. So the vest that I like honestly, between the weight that you're getting, it's like between $30 and $60 it's not expensive. Where I think people have to be considerate is if they have chest abundance, if you have chest abundance, you might want to look at the one that I currently have, which I couldn't find online, but I'll tell you what it looks like. It has bungee cords on the sides. I think it's a men's one. It has bungee cords on the side so it works and it's longer. So if you have boobs, because the bungee cords can be loosened, and because it's longer, it can go across the boobs, yes. The one that we'll put in the link to the show notes, is the one I like. I can't, I can't attest to the chest abundance, because I don't have it. But why I like it is, it's actually short, more like a crop, and so it's not going all in on my lower back. I didn't, I don't like that, because my lower back then sweats. It's, it is the weight feels more distributed around my whole body. This one that I have just feels like it's very much on my shoulders. But maybe it's because I don't have boobs. Maybe if I had boobs. Brad Crowell 12:43  No, I think it's also that it's too heavy. Lesley Logan 12:44  It's also mine's too heavy. It's 20 pounds, and I really should be on a 16 pound weighted vest. So, Brad, congratulations, you have a vest, and that's exactly what you wanted. Brad Crowell 12:53  It's more than 10% of my body weight, so. Lesley Logan 12:56  20 pounds, it is. It's like, yeah, it is, unfortunately. I don't know who's gonna get it, but, but I'm new with a 16 pound one, I would say, like most people, should start with that 12 to 15 pound, if that's 10% if you're like, oh, that sounds really heavy. 15 pounds, start with a 10 to 12. You can all they'll last forever. Just give them to a friend who wants to start it like it just make, create an exchange, like a book club, you know. But check the show notes. I really like wearing mine on morning walks, because here's the deal, my dog walks now that I have a whoop man, that shows me how literally useless a dog walk is on your health. Like, of course, it's lovely. It's nice you're outside. Brad Crowell 13:35  But you are getting steps so there's movement actually. Lesley Logan 13:36  And you're getting steps. It's so great for that second heart, but it is doing zero on the strain that you can put on your body. And so adding the weight vest kind of intensifies the walk by about 15% so if you are looking for adding that intensity, maybe you're a really busy person, it's really good. Apparently, there is some science around how it's really good if you are perimenopausal, menopausal, and increasing bone density, strength, like that, all those things, I can't tell you, but Dr. Mclaire has done a post about it. And then there's a guy, something Easter, Adam or David Easter, he's in a whole post about it. So if you're really curious, take a look at those things. But I just personally like it because it really challenged me to sit up really tall. I can't. Brad Crowell 14:03  It kind of forces you to you can't be leaning over when you got a weighted vest on. You can't be slouching. You feel it. Lesley Logan 14:23  You should wear a weighted vest while it's pod, maybe I won't move all around the place, driving Brad crazy.Brad Crowell 14:27  I don't believe it. All right. Well, if you have a question, you could text us at 310-905-5534, or if you don't want to text, you can just go to beitpod.com/questions and you could submit either a win or your question. Lesley Logan 14:41  And we want your wins. Brad Crowell 14:42  We do want your wins because of our Friday episode, share something that you're really proud of yourself for, you know, like, it's, don't worry, it's not bragging.Lesley Logan 14:50  If you're like, I can't do it, then share a friend's win, and then you'll crack the seal, and then you can share your own,Brad Crowell 14:55  Yeah, let's go, let's go. Pull out your phone right now. Go to beitpod.com/questions. Lesley Logan 14:55  Your win can literally be that you took a walk this morning. Brad Crowell 14:59  Yeah, I want to see, I want to see some wins next week.Lesley Logan 15:05  If you've ever woken up on the wrong side of the bed, it's like, and then you go for the walk, like, the win is that you didn't let that keep you from, like, making the day a better day, just saying.Brad Crowell 15:15  You got this. All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this amazing convo you have with Sarah Rhoads about some really cool shoes that she's been making. Brad Crowell 15:24  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Sarah Rhoads. Sarah is a photographer-turned-entrepreneur and the founder of Commbi Footwear. After a successful career shooting for top brands like Keds and building a creative campaign, building creative campaigns with her husband, she made a bold pivot into footwear design to solve a problem she's personally faced. Together, she and her husband developed a modular supported shoe system. Even taught himself AutoCAD to help to prototype their designs, and we're gonna talk more about it because they're fun. But Sarah is actually a mom of three and a firm believer in curiosity and alignment. Her story is a master class in vision, grit and reinvention, and it was a really fun conversation. Yeah, she's very bubbly. Lesley Logan 16:11  I just like her. She's also adorbs. I hope to meet her in person. So these shoes came on my radar. And I like, you know, if you listen to this pod long enough, you know, like, I love to be cookied. I just think it's the greatest thing. Because, like, sometimes you want something but you don't know you like that. You don't want to buy it right now, and sometimes you wanted to see it a few times to see, like, do I really want this? Like, do I miss it? So anyways, I'd interviewed the Gait Happens people, and they, like, slammed on our Birkenstocks, and it was like, a B minus. Brad Crowell 16:34  It wasn't a slam. Lesley Logan 16:35  Well, it was a B minus. Brad. Brad Crowell 16:38  I listened to that episode, she said, she said. Lesley Logan 16:43  B minus. Brad Crowell 16:43  She said they're not, they're not the best, they're not the worst. It was a B, in the B.Lesley Logan 16:48  But also, it was a B minus. Brad Crowell 16:49  She said that the problem with them was that they're too stiff, they really help with forming your foot, but then, like, there's never any give, so it's training your foot not to actually work. Lesley Logan 16:59  Right So they actually are not doing the things that they say they're gonna do. So then I saw Commbi, and I saw these girls doing these ads, like how they wear them and how they use them, I was like, wow, that's really cool. I think this could solve the world's problems on, like, the footwear thing. And also they're much cuter, right? They're like, not so they're much sexier. Brad Crowell 17:16  But what makes, why Commbi? What is Commbi about Commbi?Lesley Logan 17:16  But then I so, anyways, so then I ordered a pair. Okay, so order a pair during the winter, ordered some sandals, ordered the pair, and then I took a picture with them. And I, oh, I actually, I asked a question. I said, oh, when are the shearlings gonna come back? And the owner, Sarah, DM-ed me right away. Hi. This is the owner. We're out of stock on those right now. But like, here, I'll get back to you da-da. And I was like, whoa. She does her DMs like, I do my DMs. I like this person as a person, right like, now, now I'm past the company. Now I'm into the person. Then I got the shoes, took a picture in Palm Springs, and she's like, oh my gosh. She started chatting back and forth. And then I was like, looking at her story, and I'm like, I want her on the Be It Pod, because, like, if this isn't a be it till you see it story, like, I don't know what is, right, like, she's not a shoe person, she's not podiatrist, she's a photographer, and she, like, created a shoe. So now, what is what is it? I mean.Brad Crowell 18:13  Why is it called Commbi? Who? What? That's a weird name for the shoe, unless you understand what the shoe can do. Lesley Logan 18:19  So speak so to answer, why was I asking about shearling? Because you can take the sh, you know how, like, Uggs have that, like, shearling bed, and then you wear it a few times, and then it gets matted and nasty. Well, her shoe, you can take that shearling bed out, and you could put a terry cloth bed in. You could put. Brad Crowell 18:36  It's the bed of the shoe. Lesley Logan 18:36  The bed of the shoe. Brad Crowell 18:36  The bed, the sole of the shoe splits in two, and the bottom of shoe stays, and then the sole itself, the inside of the shoe can come off.Lesley Logan 18:47  If you, like, there's, there's definitely something in the 80s fashion that, like, this is absolutely something we've done, like, it's like a mix and match, it's a combination, right? Like, the mix and you can mix and match the beds of the of the shoe. And now I have like, five beds, and I mix and match them all the time. In fact, the last DM we have because I had a fly to Stockton for like 17 hours. And for flight, I wore the terry cloth because, you know, like, sometimes you're hot, sometimes you're cold. So I wore the terry cloth took the beds out, threw them in my purse. I only had an overnight bag because I was wearing the same outfit twice. Put the red the red leather beds in look dressy for the dinner party. Went back to my hotel, put the red leather up, put it in my purse, put the terry cloth on, flew home and nice and comfort like a slipper. So anyways, like I'm just obsessed, and she's so cool. So let's talk about her, because it's not an ad for her shoe. We make no money on them. Brad Crowell 19:39  That's true. Lesley Logan 19:40  She said, when my curiosity really is piqued and I feel scared and terrified, I usually know that as a thing I need to go after, and I resonate with that so much like we resist, like what we resist will persist, and like you have to kind of go through the fear to get to where you want to go. And she highlighted the hardest part of her pivot was getting over her self-limiting beliefs. I mean, like, can you imagine, like, being a photographer, a very established photographer, like fucking Taylor Swift, guys, Keds, all this stuff, and she's like, I'm gonna do my own shoe. And like, products are so hard. Product business is so hard.Brad Crowell 20:17  She said she flew to China to meet with her the manufacturing company, and there was a problem with the design, and so she bought a one-way ticket because she said I'm not coming back until we've figured out the solution. Lesley Logan 20:33  Yeah, yeah. So, because the and.Brad Crowell 20:36  By the way, most shoes are made in China. That's where all the factories are for this kind of stuff, same with socks.Lesley Logan 20:48  Everything is made there, so. Except for our flashcards apparently,Brad Crowell 20:48  Well, we could. We have the choice. Lesley Logan 20:48  We have the choice. Brad Crowell 20:46  We do have a company in Florida for those. But. Lesley Logan 20:48  Yeah, there are, like, some clothing brands that we've had Ripley Rader on, and there's some other ones that they can make their clothes in the US. However, you need to understand that there's not a single zipper made in the United States.Brad Crowell 20:58  Right. So, like, parts of it are still being imported. And like, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:02  Yeah. But, but she, I want to just keep going. Like she just the perseverance and like, she put a quote on her iPhone lock screen that says what if you have what it takes? And I really love this. I like, need it somewhere I can see it all the time. What if you have what it takes? And so I think, like, what she kind of obsesses about is like, I'm deeply curious about what the edges of my ability, what am I capable of? Brad Crowell 21:25  What are the edges? Lesley Logan 21:26  What are the edges? And to find that out, I have to go to the edge of my fear and look over it. And I think like to to for you first all to be it till we see it, it's going to require us to face our fear and look at it and believe we have what it takes. Because you gotta dress for who you wanna be, you gotta act for who you wanna be, you gotta make decisions for who you wanna be, even though you're not there yet.Brad Crowell 21:48  I bet you that. So, so I relate to this in the sense of, like, being on stage, and you know, when you're on stage as a big group, you can hide. When you're on stage and you're the front, at the front, it, you can't hide. And or if you're the only person you know, and I bet you that most Pilates teachers who have done a group class the first few times were really intimidating, right? Where you have to be up in front of a bunch of people speaking, right? And at first that was probably like, something that that was a little bit scary, but over time, you start to get through it right. And that, I think that's the kind of fear that she was talking about that like, you know, one thing that I really loved, that she said was, everything is working out for my greater good. Everything is working out for us, right? She and her husband, they say this daily to themselves, especially when challenges show up. This is like their their mantra, and they they genuinely believe that this helps to shift the focus away from the challenges that are impacting their businesses, which always happen, always. Challenges just seem to come by, right? So, but when you're focusing on the positive, that's one of the things that we that we challenge all of our members inside of Agency as well. Hey, when you're going to ask a question about a problem you have before you do that, you have to celebrate a win or to tell something that you're grateful for, right? And the reason is the same here. When you focus that everything is working out for us, everything is working out for my greater good, when you focus on those things, you're more apt to see those things when you when you say to yourself, everything is shit. I hate it all, you're just going to see all the things that are shit. You hate it all. We talked about this before. I can't remember what episode, but it was like, count the number. Like, if you say, if you look at something blue, and you say, blue, right? You look at blue and look at red.Lesley Logan 23:26  Oh, that's actually an episode that's coming out. It's Brad Bizjack. I don't think he we talked about that. Brad Crowell 23:31  No, no, yeah, but you and I talked about it before. And, like, all of a sudden, you know, you start to see all the things that are red, or all the things that are blue, because you've focused on them. So it's the same exact idea here. And I just, I love that. I think it's great, you know. And she said that, you know, the other thing with, with being an entrepreneur, she said, sometimes you tackle something and it doesn't, it seems like a dud. Oh, I started this whole conversation with these people about this thing, and then nothing ever came to it, or, you know, whatever, whatever. And, like, you know, it seems like, where do I put my time and all the things? And she said, hey, everything leads to everything. Everything leads to everything, right? So being part of an entrepreneur is being someone who has an appetite for adventure, being, you know, being willing to explore. She said, there's no trail, no map, you're just kind of in the woods with the machete, right? And it's you're out there trying to figure it all out. And every time you make a new connection, you know, you might not have any like, reciprocation from that action today, but there will, you know, like, eventually things can are connected. It comes back. Lesley Logan 24:30  Also, like sometimes, like just having a conversation that hits a dead end, allows you to get more comfortable with an idea that you might have had fear around. And then when you have it with a different person, you have a whole different perspective, because you it's not the first time you're voicing it. I always tell some of our Agency members, I was like, I taught a woman, she took a first time session with me during a time that a client was on vacation, so I didn't normally have that time. The client's only on vacation for one week, but she she came in for a first time session, and none of my other times worked out for her. And so I actually had to refer her to a friend. But do you want to know something? Love me so much. She sent me a ton of clients. Everything is everything. So she didn't, and why didn't she send to my friend who she took one, I don't know, but she sent me them. And the point is, like, don't go oh, I'm not gonna teach that person. I'm not gonna take that because, like, I'm only available this one time. It's like, just go have the conversation. You can always be like, that was really cool. Here's this other person, like, I'm someone who, like, sometimes sets to hermit. I get a little overwhelmed. So I totally understand if you're like, I don't want to go do that, but like, you have to say it's to all of the things. But try it. Try just going like, you know, if you normally say no to 80% of opportunities, maybe, maybe say yes to like, 35% and just like start to get warmed up with that muscle and have some fun with it, because it does lead to everything.Brad Crowell 25:46  Everything leads to everything. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we got more gold coming down from Sarah Rhoads, in the Be It Action Items. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 25:56  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sarah Rhoads? She said stick with it. Stick it out, right? And you two are having this really fun conversations about, you know, the overnight success of the actor and like, having lived in Los Angeles, we are very aware that, like, it's a slow, long road to it's very, very rare that someone is like an overnight success in the real sense of that.Lesley Logan 26:30  There's a really cool book that's that I just heard about where this, I forget the name won't come to me, but he literally, like the little like the tagline is, like, my 20 years to overnight success.Brad Crowell 26:40  Right, exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's the joke, right? That's the running joke. And you were talking about behind the scenes, right? The building phase. It's truly one of the hardest phases, because no one can actually see what you're doing. And she said that they just launched their company last, end of last year, but they've been working on it for three, right? And she said.Lesley Logan 26:58  Oh, yeah. I mean, like, I saw the ads. I'm like, oh, my God, they're a huge company. She's DM-ing me and her husband emails customer support, so. Brad Crowell 27:06  They're both working. They answer everything, right? She said, it's really hard to do the work, the building phase work, and because, because no one around you can see the vision or the or the results of where it's going to be, where it's gonna go, and you have it in your head, right? And sometimes it's hard to convince other people that this is gonna be the thing. It's gonna be amazing, but, you know it will be, and that's, that's the thing. You have to trust yourself, right? She said, really good things are on the other side of the building phase of when you're able to finally open the doors, get, you know, launch your product, or introduce your book, or whatever it might be, like, the amount of prep time it takes to do it right, you know, you have to be able to believe in yourself and so.Lesley Logan 27:52  Yeah, I mean, I think the key thing, and I was like, oh, do you trust yourself? Like, do you? So she said, knowing deep in your soul that everything's working out for you, and knowing that anyone can do anything, what a be it, like, anyone can do anything. So why can't you do the thing you want to do? Because anyone can do anything. And she emphasized the importance of protecting autonomy pretty fiercely to avoid burnout. I'm gonna just say fiercely. Protect your autonomy fiercely. One of the reasons I see people burn out is they don't protect their autonomy. They they are afraid of losing a client or of pissing off a friend, so they just say yes to all these things, and their schedule is not their own. Their schedule is being formed by other people's schedules. And it's like the whole idea, like, if you don't have goals, someone else has goals for you. If you don't protect your autonomy, someone else will make sure your schedule is theirs. It's how it's gonna go. Brad Crowell 28:38  It's true. Lesley Logan 28:42  She prioritizes self-care through specific regular habits. She's also part of an amazing book club, and she makes time for it, and I think that is so cool. She hikes and gets outside nature three days a week. She stays connected to make things that make her feel alive, not just what makes money. And she advised trusting yourself and believing yourself. So with that, trust keeps coming up. You guys, let me just remind you three children, and they're not older. When I asked her, I'm pretty sure they were, like, under 10. So like, young.Brad Crowell 29:10  The kids, yeah, I think the oldest, I'm pretty sure, actually, now I don't remember. But yeah, they're not old.Lesley Logan 29:15  I don't think not a single one of them can drive themselves anywhere. So here's what my point being like this is a mom and a business owner who works with her husband, and if she can protect her autonomy fiercely, you can do it. You can do it. Yes, it's hard. Yes, people are gonna get pissed off because you're changing the boundaries on them. You're changing the rules they will get over it because you're gonna be a funner person to be around. That's just what I think. Sarah Rhoads, you are amazing. I love you so much. I hope we can be friends.Brad Crowell 29:48  Me too.Lesley Logan 29:48  I hope she's, what if she's listening? Well, anyways, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 29:54  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:55  Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. Go check her out, and if anything, let her be an inspiration to what you can do. You can change your career anytime, because you're curious and you believe in yourself, and Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 30:08  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 30:10  Oh, we didn't tell. Brad Crowell 30:11  Oh, we got a secret for y'all. Lesley Logan 30:14  We have a secret. Brad Crowell 30:15  Yeah, we got a surprise. Lesley Logan 30:16  I don't know how. Don't let them go too way soon. You guys, Commbi has given us a secret discount code for you. BEIT10. Brad Crowell 30:25  BEIT10. Lesley Logan 30:26  Yeah, get 10% off your shoes. And if you're like, what? Yeah, no, she just gave it to me, and I love it. I've used it. I have four pairs already. Don't worry, I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna wear them all this weekend in L.A. They're so comfortable. I'm quite (inaudible).Brad Crowell 30:40  Clearly she said that they they are even making them for men. Lesley Logan 30:43  They have men's shoes. I showed them to you. Yes, I know we gotta, we gotta work them out, babe. Brad Crowell 30:46  We gotta work them out. Lesley Logan 30:48  We gotta get you switched over. Yeah, there's men's collection. Brad Crowell 30:52  They're pretty cool. Lesley Logan 30:53  They're really cool. Brad Crowell 30:54  Yeah, they look good. Lesley Logan 30:55  I, really obsessed. I literally wear them all the time. I don't even put, I like, I used to be a tennis shoes person always. Now I'm like, slipping on my Commbis to go outside to get the mail, because, holy fuck, the sidewalk is hot, so I gotta put them on. And I just love them. And my toe spacers from Gait Happens fit on my toes while I'm wearing my Commbis, which is essential. That's a couple plugs All right. Now you can go, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 31:20  See you next time, y'all.Lesley Logan 31:22  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 32:04  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 32:09  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 32:14  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 32:21  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 32:24  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 32:37  Oh, it's, where's my phone? It's on Instagram. Brad Crowell 32:40  It's on the gram the Instagram.Lesley Logan 32:52  All right, I'm here. Brad Crowell 32:53  You're here. Lesley Logan 32:53  Can we go? Brad Crowell 32:54  Can just sit how you're gonna sit. Okay, you gonna sit over there, or you gonna sit on the other side? Where are you gonna sit? This isn't a merry go round. Lesley Logan 33:08  I'm gonna sit right here. We need a couch. Brad Crowell 33:11  I'm gonna adjust the sofa. This is the sofa. I've adjusted the sofa. Here we go. We do need a couch. That'd be fun. I'd love to change up our setup.Lesley Logan 33:22  I know I want to go to Joy Bird. I want one of their cute couches.Brad Crowell 33:26  I'd love to get, like, a wide shot and a. Joy Bird, what? Lesley Logan 33:31  Oh, look up Joy bird's couches, amazing.Brad Crowell 33:34  Well, we'll get there, but I want to actually, like make the lounge vibe. That'd be cool. Lesley Logan 33:38  Yeah, this is not the vibe anymore. Brad Crowell 33:40  Yeah, I'm in on change. All right, cool. Here we go.Lesley Logan 33:44  We could do wallpaper instead of this.Brad Crowell 33:48  We could, but I think we should actually have like, different backgrounds so that you could have one for Profitable Pilates, one for this, one for that.Lesley Logan 33:56  What if we did walls? What if this is the Be It wall that was the Profitable Pilates wall? Brad Crowell 33:56  And we just like, rotate, like. Lesley Logan 33:56  Yeah, we just rotate the chairs. Brad Crowell 34:12  Like the whole floor, like. Lesley Logan 34:14  Yeah, oh, they could just, like, press a button.Lesley Logan 34:22  No bad ideas on a brainstorm. Brad Crowell 34:24  She can't help herself. Literally cannot help herself. Lesley Logan 34:29  I'm ready. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Sarah Rhoads went from photographing celebrities to reinventing her life at 40 as the founder of Commbi Shoes, a modular, podiatrist-backed footwear brand rooted in beauty, function, and sustainability. In this inspiring conversation, Lesley Logan talks with Sarah about entrepreneurial grit, radical reinvention, and building purpose-driven products with your family by your side. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why Sarah left a successful career at 40 to start Commbi Shoes.How to find courage and push past fear when reinventing your career.The power of building a brand rooted in function, beauty, and sustainability.What it's really like behind the scenes when building a business with your spouse. Sarah's approach to entrepreneurial challenges and problem solving.Why it's important to protect your autonomy to prevent burnout. Episode References/Links:Commbi Website - https://www.commbi.co (Use code: BEIT10 for 10% off!)Commbi Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/commbi_officialSarah Rhoads' Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sarahrhoadsEp. 547 with Dr. Jennifer Perez - https://beitpod.com/gaithappensGuest Bio:Sarah Rhoads is the fearless founder of Commbi, a groundbreaking footwear brand born from courage, curiosity, and a refusal to settle for “good enough.” Once a sought-after fashion photographer for major global brands, Sarah boldly reinvented her career to design the shoes she—and countless women—had always dreamed of wearing. With zero experience in footwear manufacturing, she turned fear into fuel, spending years creating a patented, interchangeable design that delivers both comfort and elegance. A wife, mother of three, and unstoppable innovator, Sarah's journey is proof that anyone can chase a wild idea, break past self-doubt, and create something extraordinary that changes lives one step at a time. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I usually know that that is the thing I need to go after.Lesley Logan 0:30  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:13  Hello. Hi, Be It babe. Welcome welcome to the podcast. Oh, my God, this is so fun, because you're about to hear two women who've never met but totally love each other already. Just connect and share stories. And our guest today is Sarah Rhoads of Commbi shoes. And like one of the things I love about this podcast is I get to meet some really insanely amazing people and also, like, hopefully start wonderful relationships. At any rate, I really was excited to share her story with you, because I do think it's what you need right now. You need to hear a story about someone who's not a shoe manufacturer making the most amazing shoes. You need to hear about a woman who had a very, very successful career pivot to doing something she's never done before. And you need to hear that, you know, you can do all these things while being a wife and a mother and be authentic to yourself and do the things that let you up. So I'm super excited for this episode, so I'm gonna let you get right into it. Thank you, Sarah Rhoads for being here, and here she is. Lesley Logan 2:08  Okay, Be It babe. I'm gonna tell you right now that like today's guest and I aren't best friends yet, but I hope in the future, we are because I already love her so much. I've been following her for a while. I will say, probably our first guest that I, like, got me by an ad so but, but our audience knows that I'm someone who's like, I'm gonna click on that ad. I love being cookied. I love when ads follow me around and remind me of the things that I want to have. And so today's guest is the founder of Commbi shoes, and it's Sarah Rhoads. Oh my gosh, hello, welcome to the Be It pod. Can you tell everyone like who you are and what you rock at, just in case they haven't, they didn't find you through Instagram like me.Sarah Rhoads 2:49  Well, first off, I'm so happy to be here, Lesley, and thanks so much for having me. You just have such a great energy. And I love other women that are doing great stuff. So I am a photographer turned entrepreneur. And as Lesley said, I own Commbi, which is a shoe company. I'm a founder of it that basically I created the dream shoes that I myself couldn't find, and I went and created them. I've never made shoes before. This is all just like if you told me 10 years ago, this is what I'd be doing now, I would have surprised myself. So I did a complete life pivot in, I'm 40 this year, and I basically went from a really successful career as a lifestyle fashion photographer shooting for Fortune 100 brands to doing Commbi, which is now I make shoes.Lesley Logan 3:41  I am obsessed. And like, I really like, I feel like, you know, like I got stalked by your gorgeous shoes. And I just was like, it was winter time, and I was like, I don't need those yet. I was on tour, and I was like, we'll just like it. We'll just like it. And then it was like, the seventh one. I was like, okay, I'll just buy them now, so they're at home when I get home and I DM-ed you about a question about because, okay, you guys, we're gonna get into her shoes in a second. I'm gonna get to our journey. But I just want to say, the shoes, why I was obsessed with them, is like, oh, I could just take the insole out and change it so I have, because I'm someone who needs to have a lot of shoes. Like my mother, she probably, I was, probably not a nice compliment, but she was like, you're like, like the woman from the Philippines who has a million shoes. And I was like, yeah, I do. I love shoes. I have no blank T-shirts, guys. I only have shoes and sweatshirts. But I, so I was upset. And you yourself, DM-ed me back. And I was like, another founder who reads her own DMs, I'm already so now I'm like, well, now I'm following and I'm gonna stalk you a little bit.Sarah Rhoads 4:41   I'm all about the, I like, love interacting with people, (inaudible) building is like, what I'm all about. And I created these shoes as much for myself as I did for others and to help people. And I was like, so I really like to, like, talk like, I still, Chris, Chris handles all, my husband and co-founder, Chris handles all of the customer service emails. I handle all of the DMs, all the socials so, yeah, we're like, in it.Lesley Logan 5:12  Yeah, no, I feel you. Like, I we have an amazing customer service team too, but like, I do read all my DMs. People are like, oh, it's you. And I'm like, yeah, like, how will I know what to create, if I don't talk to you. Before we go into why your shoes are so amazing, even more though, you are a successful lifestyle photographer, like, there was no need to change anything except for that, you wanted amazing shoes for yourself. How? How do you, like, I know lots of our listeners are like, but how do you make a pivot like that because it's not like, you're like, oh, I'm going to be a photographer, and then I'm going to, like, you know, make a camera, something that you're familiar with. You're like, no, I'm going to make a shoe. And as someone who also makes products, like, you don't know, thank goodness you don't know what you don't know when you get into it, because otherwise you wouldn't. But like, how did you make that pivot?Sarah Rhoads 5:56  So, I think, you know, to start a little bit back, my husband and I met when we were 18 in college, and we have been working on creative endeavors together, like since we met. And so, you know, in some kind of entrepreneurial fashion, you know, basically what started as creative services through photography. I mean, we've shot Taylor Swift for Keds, like all these brands, and really, I think alignment is a really important thing to me, and I'm very I always feel like I'm very attuned to when I feel like I'm not on the right path. And there started to become a point I have three kids that are eight, six and three, and there started to become a point where I was just feeling not as creatively invigorated by these things I was working on in advertising. I will always be a storyteller, because it's just who I am. I love photography. However, it started to just feel like this isn't as fulfilling to me and my purpose and my calling at this stage in my life as I need it to be. So there was that, coupled with I was a dancer and I had foot issues, and being on set, I would be shooting people for 12 hours a day on my feet. I'm not a tennis shoe girlie. I do not wear heels. I have, like, sort of some foot issues. So I had tried every shoe in the game. I had tried Danskos, Birkenstocks, the Vince mules, like, if it was, like, stylish and, you know, Net-a-Porter, like, styles that I like, they had zero support. If it was like, you know, orthoticy, biotic, all this kind of stuff. It was grandma looking and so, like, I had resorted to putting insoles into my mules and my clogs and my slides on set, and my husband was like, this looks so bad, Sarah, because, like my little like insole would be flopping around. It's awful, because I wear, like, open back shoes. We live in California. That's like, my lifestyle. And so basically, we set out, like, this was, like three years ago now, to sort of say, well, let's get a 3D printer. My husband taught himself AutoCAD, and we started inventing, essentially, like, how could we take a like, allow people the opportunity to completely like, first off, create a supportive shoe. So we worked with podiatrists to create a shoe that's number one, fits the need that I needed, which was supportive, and then design it in styles that I myself wear, but then allow people to modulate it like based on the season or their preference. So for example, I hated how my Uggs, the shearling would go flat after a season, and I'd have to throw away this beautiful mule that I was like, this feels so wasteful to me. What if I could just, like, switch out that element and then keep the whole shoe like, it feels more sustainable. It feels more like practical, I'm a practical lady, and so that is how we came to basically file for our patent after we've did several thousands of iterations on like, how could we make this work where you can modulate just the footbed and allow people to be creative, allow people to be in the driver's seat of what they want, provide something that's more sustainable in a way. And so thus became like, well, okay, I guess we're inventing a new way to do shoes and.Lesley Logan 9:22  You, I mean, like, literally, like, that's why I don't have any of the shoe. Like, I had bought the shearling Birkenstock. So I was like, oh, those are so cute. It's like, four years ago I needed some house slippers in the summer, you know, we, our house is tile, everyone. So if you, if you walk around tile with bare feet, you just get ugly feet. So I was like, oh, I'll have these, like, shearling. No, within a summer, it's like, rub down and it's ugly. And now I have this shoe that is perfectly fine. It has not been worn enough. And then also, did you okay? Get this. So, I interviewed one of the founders of Gait Happens, G-A-I-T Gait Happens on this podcast. It hasn't released yet, but you gotta check it out. And I said, oh, my husband wears, like, Birkenstocks. This is the only shoe he wears. And she goes, I give it a b minus.Sarah Rhoads 9:23  Same. And that, I hate, I don't, I'm not here to diss. Lesley Logan 10:11  Right. We're not, you're not dissing. I'll bring up their name.Sarah Rhoads 10:14  Yes, but I am sure to say for not, not for everybody. Like, I thought, work is like, hard. It's like, I didn't like that it took such a break-in period. So I was like, why don't I create a supportive shoe that has a memory foam that doesn't have the break-in period of a Birkenstock? Like, why not try something different? So, yeah. Lesley Logan 10:32  Okay, so, I'm sure people caught on so, you're 40. You have three kids under 10. You're my you're like, a superhero. How like, and you and your family made this transition together? Like, there are so many questions I have there, which is, like, to switch financially, your whole thing over, and then to be present for children. But also, like, not burn yourself out. Can you tell us the process you went through?Sarah Rhoads 11:02  Yeah, okay, so and I'm still going through it, to be totally honest with you, I feel like a pivot, the biggest thing that was the hardest for me is getting over my self-limiting beliefs in the beginning, like that was step one for me, when I started to sort of say no, like, this feels insane that I want to do this, but like, I want to do this, and my curiosity is pulling me. And when my curiosity really is peaked and I feel scared and terrified, I usually know that that is the thing I need to go after. That's sort of my recipe for, like, I know that's on my path of alignment, and I kept feeling that. And so I really had to do a lot of work to break down my self-limiting beliefs, number one, to even step into this space of like I can do this, you know, and so much so I had, you know, this, this on my home screen of my iPhone, I had like, a thing that said, what if you have what it takes. You know, it's still on there, actually, what if you have what it takes? Because I had so many moments of like, this is insane, no one's going to understand you, Sarah, like, why would you do, like people are going to be like, what are you doing? Like, and all those self-doubt, things, that (inaudible) imposter syndrome we all deal with when we pivot, or we're even thinking about pivoting. And I just started to, like reframe that for myself, to be like, no, I am deeply curious about what are the edges of my ability. Like, what am I capable of? And like to find that out, I have to go to the edge of my fear and look over the the edge of it. And entrepreneurship, so much in this journey for me has so much been, as much as it's been an external one, it's more of an internal one for myself, of like, can I do this, and do I have what it takes? And I, I do, like, I think all people can do all things genuinely. And, you know, it started there, and then, you know, of course, my husband and I, as co-founders, had to really come together of like, okay, can we utilize our previous skill set, which we've done our 10,000 hours plus on mastering, is there a way to parlay that also to be a strength in this new world? And there is, like we just shot our Commbi campaign for all of the new material, like we utilize our skill sets that we have used in our previous We Are The Rhoads studio all the time, like all of our network of models and you know, all of that is used in this new business, which is so cool. And I think like trusting that and knowing, like, hey, I didn't know how to really make a product that I learned got on a plane, and you can learn anything if you're curious enough and willing to be, like, moldable, I think anything is possible. And so that's kind of, we launched August last year, and we've had.Lesley Logan 14:06  I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. That's insane. Okay, so it's not even a year old yet.Sarah Rhoads 14:13  No, we're going on our first year and, like, I mean, we've been working on this behind the scenes for like, three years, so it feels a lot older to us, but it's also, you know, we're a new company, a new business, and every day is learning. And as an entrepreneur, as you know, every day is learning. And for me, the meaning of life is to learn, to grow and to expand. And so for me, this is checking all those boxes every single day. When I wake up, I learn new things everyday. So you know what I mean?Lesley Logan 14:43  I do. Everyday I'm like, okay, like, well, and also, what happens is, like, you still you, unless you take time to reflect, you don't realize, like, the things you learned a year ago, you're actually now an expert at, and you're slaying but there's just a new, new thing. You did it now, and with everything that goes on all the time. You're kind of like, okay, okay, so how do I, how do I take what I believe in and exist in this area because this area has changed now, but I want to exist like this here. And so you are, you, it's a, it, you know what? It's a lot if they say, like, if you want to learn about yourself, become an entrepreneur, because you really learn about yourself.Sarah Rhoads 15:19  It's true. It's true. And I'm, like, deeply curious about, like, okay, what are the depths of my ability and, like, my capacity, I, you know? And, yeah, you learn it. You're scared every day. You know that, that's for me what I'm like, retraining my brain right now, the work I'm doing, is to learn that this is what it is. This is normal. Problem solving problems is, is that is what it is to be a founder. That is what it is to be an entrepreneur. You grow out of a system, you expand into something else, like, oh, we're having to expand warehouses right now because we grew out of this. It's like, at first, I was like, oh, oh no. Is something wrong? It's like, no, that is, that is, that is what it is. It's figuring things out and you know, like, that's what entrepreneurship is, is creative problem-solving a lot of it, so.Lesley Logan 16:11  Yeah, well, congrats on outgrowing your first warehouse, or maybe it's your second already. But I, I want to highlight let you like, like, what we know as Commbi, like, what we've seen is almost a year old, but that you guys have been working behind the scenes for three years. And I think that that's the thing that like, no matter how many times I hear it, I have to share it because, because we are like, oh my God, look at the successful brand here. Look at what they're doing. And it's like, you didn't see the three to four years of sweat, tears, wonder, fear, lots of money invested. Like, you you actually are seeing the like, there is no such thing as an overnight success. Like, we know this, you and I live like you still live in L.A. but I lived in like, we know that no one is an overnight movie star, that was like a decade of auditions and like little roles in the background and all these different things. And then they filmed this thing two years ago, and they've just been waiting for us to all see it. So, you know, I think it's like we have to be reminded of that, because if you have an idea that you are going for and you're feeling frustrated because it's been a year, it's been three to four years before the rest of us, like, before, and then also, like, do you just heard me say it like, took like, seven times for me to go, yeah, I think, you know, like, the world is like, taking its time to site, making decisions on what it wants to do with your product. And so it's not personal. It's just like, that's how long things take.Sarah Rhoads 17:35  Yeah, and I would say, like, I would encourage anybody who's like, in that phase of, like, building behind the scenes, I feel like that's, it's truly one of the hardest phases, because no one can see what you're doing, and you have to have this, like, self-determined belief in yourself and what you're doing. And that takes, it's really hard to do that work, but like, stick with it. Like, stick it out, because I feel like really good things are always on the other side of that, like that curiosity and that sort of determination, but it's really hard to do that, that type that space, that's the building phase, where no one can see what you're doing, and you're just like, I'm creating this thing. I hope people will like it. I hope people will like be (inaudible), like it will help their life and and then when you get to launch and you see like it does, and you hear from customers being like, oh my gosh, I love this. I love your shoes. They're like, exactly what I want. Like, it's like, oh, I didn't just create the shoes for me. I created them for, you know, other people too. Lesley Logan 18:43  Yeah, well, I mean, like, just to give you a compliment to your face, since, like, because you need it. Another one, I'm sure, as a business, I'm always, like, give me all the compliments on my things. You like, I am almost a size 10 foot, and so, like, slides were never awesome because my heels would somehow hit the ground. No one wants their you know what I mean? And then, like, and then I have a wide toe box, but a narrow heel, and it's just always been an issue. So I was a tennis shoe girly, because, like, that's it. That's the only shoes that would stay on my feet and keep and so, but I am like, oh, these shoes. I feel like, I feel luxurious in I feel like they're, you know, these are not just like, like when I put my Birkenstocks on, yes, I still, I have some pairs. Like, I'm like, I'm like, okay, this is a laid back, this is.Sarah Rhoads 19:28  I'm like a granola girly. (inaudible) to offer something that was like, right? Lesley Logan 19:35  But I don't want to be a granola girly every day. Like, I want to be a girl. Like, that's, I am a girly girl. But people like, I love like, I just did a photo shoot that I haven't put some of the pictures up yet, but like, it's, I'm obsessed. We're rebranding the podcast, and I got this green emerald green, like Wizard of Oz green fur coat.Sarah Rhoads 19:59  That is like your color, girl. Lesley Logan 20:01  It's so good. It's so good. And I'm like, and like, I'm like, this, and then I put it, we did a whole fashion shoot at the Plaza Hotel because they have all the light bulbs on I'm just like, obsessed, oh, it was amazing. I'll have to show you when we're done. It's fucking phenomenal. Anyways, but like, I was like, I want a casual shoe that makes me feel girly. So like, congratulations, you nailed it, and I can't wait to see what comes out. Also, since you live in L.A., do you know Ripley? Because the two of you should be best friends if you're not, Ripley Rader, do you know her? Okay, your shoes, here's my vision. Not and no one asked, I think you, I think you and Ripley should do a collab together. Your shoes with her clothes, insane. And you're both photographers. You guys. Sarah Rhoads 20:41  Ripley is her brand? Lesley Logan 20:42  Ripley Radar. Yeah, the perfect pant also, yes. Sarah Rhoads 20:45  You gotta introduce us. Lesley Logan 20:46  I'm gonna introduce you guys, because in my perfect world, like, you got, like, her lines with your shoes, like, fabulous. And then, because you're both photographers and you're both in L.A. like, this should this is just a magical match. I'm just gonna make it happen. I met her through the podcast. They approached me, and I was like, is this the woman whose pants keep following me around my Instagram? Yeah, I want to interview her, and now I have a bunch of her clothes, and I wear them with your shoes, and I love it. Lesley Logan 21:13  So, okay, I want to go, like, the things, what are the things you do when you're like, feeling it? Because I think, I think that the thing that makes more, that makes an entrepreneur move faster, because we all are going to fill obstacles. We are problem-solving everyday, but like, the quicker you get to, like, overcoming the fear of failure and noticing your ish, like, the quicker you can move through it. Like, how do you move through that fear or the obstacles, like, what are the tools you use? Do you have a mantra? Do you have music like, what do you do? Sarah Rhoads 21:45  Man, I feel like there's a couple things I, it's not like a formal mantra, but something I say every single day is, everything is working out for my better good, like, a greater good, everything is working out for us, like Chris and I this morning, literally, like he made me a coffee, and despite, like, there's a lot going on in the world right now, tariffs impact our business. Like we could sit there and, like, sort of focus on that, but we just said to each other, like, everything's working out for us. Like everything is working out for us. And I really it's not sort of BS, like, I really genuinely believe that when you look at my life, when I look at like the now that I have some wisdom of life, I'm like, oh, like everything is genuinely working out for us. And I also believe that everything leads to everything, as silly as that sounds, I have this, this other female founder that I love, and I'll always like, Sheena of Kosas. She's a badass, and she has been kind enough like I shot her very first campaign when she had one lipstick, like, years and years ago. And she's helped me on my journey as a founder of a product, and she is the one who told me she's like, everything leads to everything. And just trusting that has been a really powerful mantra for me, just in terms of, like, knowing that even if there's a setback, guess what, everything leads to everything, like or this relationship, it might feel like just a dead end call, guess what? Like, those things down the road lead to other things they really do. And so, like, I feel like part of being an entrepreneur is being someone who has an appetite for adventure. Because, like, the way that I sort of akin it to is like you're in the woods with a machete, like a hatchet going through the woods. There's no trail, there's no trail heads, there are no maps. And you're going through the woods with a machete trying to forge a path up this mountain, and you see these, like beautiful people, or rivers along the way that are like, oh, good water. And then there's like, a little light over there, and that little light ends up being a person that's like, you know what? Like a Sheena, or these, like someone that's like, hey, you should meet Ripley. Like, who knows what that leads to, whatever it is. And they're like, you know what, hey, there you should you should go over that way and talk to this person. You start going on that path with your machete, and then before you know it, you have a manufacturing partner that's fantastic. And you are, you have a great like, product that you're like, working on making better. And anyway, I just, I feel like that for me, keeping that mentality of being an adventurer has been, like, really paramount to trusting the process, even when you have setbacks, even when you're in the woods with your machete and you don't see the way forward. Just like, you know what? I have to trust that it's all part of the plan. Lesley Logan 24:46  Yeah, it is so true. It's so true. Like, as you were saying, like I was just like thinking, like, all the different things that happened, so, before we hit record, I live in Las Vegas, right? We were talking about it. The reason we own a home. Is because the world shut down, not because, like, we, like planned and put it out. Oh, we have a life plan together. We're gonna do this. You guys, Brad and I would have lived in that 500 square foot apartment forever. We would have bought a vacation home and still live in that apartment, if we could have kept traveling. Because you don't realize how small it is when you're not there. So like, but we, we're here in this beautiful, like, the house of my dreams, because even when things happen outside your control, like, everything is working out for you if you believe it, if you're not believing that, like you, you don't see the opportunities and you don't see the connections and the introductions as as a light of like, oh, look over here. You're seeing it as, like, another thing that is, like, keeping you, or just another busy thing you don't you, you know. Like, I really do think that, like, when you believe that things will work out you are actually, you'll actually see the opportunities as evidence of that.Sarah Rhoads 25:56  Absolutely, and I feel like that's exactly what you're pointing to. It's like, I feel like in our busy culture of like, everything's about efficiency and like, oh, our task list, I never want to turn people into tasks like, ever. And so for me, it's like, if we can keep the spirit of like, this is all about, like, life is about how we can grow from each other and how we can learn from each other. Like, I just try to keep that spirit about every interaction, knowing I can learn something from everybody and and, yeah, I I love what you're saying. Like, not turning things, all these things into to do lists, turning them into opportunities in your mind. You know, I think it's really powerful, so it's helped me, but, yeah. Lesley Logan 26:42  Thank you for sharing that. I, okay. You're a mom, you're a wife, you're a business owner, you're you. You are so many things. How do you prioritize you in all of this? Because it can be so easy. Like, like, we love our people. We don't want to be to-do lists like, almost like, like, I work with a lot of Pilates instructors, and they, like, love their clients so much that they don't take care of the things that continue to make them light up anymore, and it bends on the burnout road, right? So, like, how do you make sure that you're still you in all of this?Sarah Rhoads 27:13  Yeah, that's a really good question. Like, burnout is a very real, you know, thing, as you know, we're always like, right, flying real close to the sun there on burnout. If I'm being honest, when you're building a business, building a company, it's especially through, like, the holiday season, like Chris and I were like, okay, we gotta, like, we gotta step back a little bit from this. It's all like, just it, you know. And I feel like, for me, how do I stay me my, I protect my autonomy pretty fiercely. Like, I just feel like, it's just who I am. I love to read. So I like, am in this amazing book club that I like, make time for. Like, it's something totally extracurricular. But these women inspire me. They're incredible. I love hearing other people's perspectives. I am all about nature and hiking, like, I go out and I be in nature, like three days a week. Like, those are the things that for me, keep me from burnout. Is like doing a few things every week that I love, you know, that are outside of like, what makes me money? You know? What can I be doing to better my business? It's being in touch with the things that make Sarah, me, feel alive, and then knowing like, that'll make me a better mom, a better founder, a better creative, all those things that I need to be, you know. So, yeah. Lesley Logan 27:13  Thank you for sharing that. I think I love that you're in a book club that you make time for. Like, I think it's so like, I we have a lot of people like, how do you make friends as an adult? I'm like, you have to just go do things and hope and, like, if you don't like it, go do something else. Like, it's okay and, you know, it is hard, like, it's hard to there's always a reason. I mean, you like, I just wanted you to all replay that. Remember, she is a founder of a new company. She works with her husband, and she has three kids under 10, and she has, she has things she does for herself every week. Like, I love that so much. I really, I really, really do. Okay. What are you most excited about right now?Sarah Rhoads 29:08  I am so excited about my new line that is coming out in three weeks. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna give you like, a little sneak peek. Lesley Logan 29:15  Stop right now. I need them already. Stop right now. I need them already.Sarah Rhoads 29:18  So, like, I, again, part of like, listening to customers and like is, it's part of us handling customer service is like, I want to know, like, what do people want to see more?Lesley Logan 29:28  Bright colors. I want hot pink. I want that red. Sarah Rhoads 29:31  Yeah, but I'm listening so people wanted real Nappa leathers. My first was vegan. Now I've got, I'll still offer vegan option for those ladies who want that or men who want that. But I also have some amazing, like, supple, like, it's like, lamb skin leathers that are just so chic and look so good.Lesley Logan 29:55  You guys, if you're not already watching the Be It Pod on YouTube, you need to now and also by the time this is out, they're out. So go get them.Sarah Rhoads 30:01  And then I have some just cool styles that are all adjustable. So I have, like, back straps and like some things that, like people wanted for walking around Europe, things like that, like, there's back straps adjustable sort of plays. I'm just so excited about this line. I also improved the product immensely. I took, got on a plane to Asia when I started to hear a couple things, like, I had enough time with my own product to be like, I want to take the weight out of the shoes a little bit. And so I worked with my engineering team. People told me, you can't do it, you can't do it. Blah, blah, blah, for these reasons. I sat there and I, like, didn't book a return flight until this was solved. And basically, we came up with a unique compound for our shoes that allows the interchangeability to all work. And it just just like super I'm just super excited about this line. I feel really proud of it. It's designed with really nice textiles, and I have a really good supplier I'm really excited about. So anyway, all of it, the designs are pretty fire, and I'm excited, but that's what I'm excited about. Lesley Logan 31:04  I am so I like, she held up a red. I was like, because I just, I love an accent. I love.Sarah Rhoads 31:09  (inaudible) I'm about to pre-release these, because I've had so many people asking.Lesley Logan 31:14  Okay, well, I'm gonna get that link before. Brad is going, Brad is rolling his eyes while he's listening to this. I'm sure. When he listens later, he's asleep right now, but he'll, he'll listen to this on a replay moving for prep. And I know, I know the exact points where he's just going, oh my God, my wife. (inaudible) We will do it yes, and then we'll do the couple photo for you. We'll do whatever you want. Sarah Rhoads 31:42  Oh my God. I love it. We'll make it happen. Lesley Logan 31:42  And then when we come to L.A., we're gonna have to come see you because, like, of course, we'll have to have dinner, because it's, it's not all the time that you meet couples who work together and and are cool and they work together well, there's.Sarah Rhoads 31:55  Lesley, I have so many questions for you about that. So, yes, a dinner is in our future. Lesley Logan 32:00  Yes, oh, I mean, we've been working together. So he, he flirted with me by building me a website. You guys, we were dating, and he was, like, your new website. And I, like, you know, as a Pilates instructor, and I thought I was one of the first Pilates instructors, like, who have their own website. Like I got out of Pilates training, and I had a website ready to go. And, like, no people have been teaching 10 years to have website. So I thought I was a slain and then I met him. I'd been teaching for like, seven years. He's like, so you have to have an like, this is old. You need a new website. And I'm like, why it's working just fine. So he built me a new one. And then, and then, as I was building my companies, which, you know, bad thing, guys don't build the same three things at the same time, because if they work out, you have three, and it's a lot. So anyways, he started, like, working with me, doing things behind the scenes. And finally, I was just like, can you just like, can you just work with me all the time? And so he's been full time since 2019 which has been really, really cool and really fun, and also allowed me to, like, not be the CEO of my company, because I'm not as I don't know about you, I don't I'm not a CEO. Sarah Rhoads 33:01  I'm a co-CEO. But Chris does ops, tech, all of things that like, are the behind the scenes. I'm community building, creative, getting, (inaudible) you're dynamic. We can like, have a whole podcast about working as a team with your significant.Lesley Logan 33:18  I know, we'll have to have you back, and we'll have to, like, do a co well, the four of us can talk. Sarah Rhoads 33:22  With all of us? Lesley Logan 33:23  Yes, because it's like, you have to, well, it's also just recognizing your strengths. Like, this is what I'm really good at. I'm really good at the community. I'm really good at the vision. I'm really good at like, seeing the big picture and like, how, like, it's gonna relate down the thing. And a meeting on how this system is gonna work is like, I wanna know, but I don't want to be in the. Sarah Rhoads 33:42  100% girl, we're the same. This is (inaudible) people. I'm like, thank God for them, because truly, it's not my wheelhouse, you know. Lesley Logan 33:54  Yeah. Oh, we, so we make Pilates flashcards. And on our winter tour, we went, we were like, near the place at the warehouse that prints our flashcards and and fulfills everything it's (inaudible) house. And So Brad, like, we're gonna go see how this is made. And I was like, I don't, I don't really, actually, I'm not lit up by this. Like, you know, like, I, he's. Sarah Rhoads 33:54  Find your strength (inaudible). Lesley Logan 34:15  Yeah. Oh, and he is like, looking at everything. He's like, look at this. And it goes in here first, and they go this first. And I was just like, this is, oh, I don't know how someone envisioned this actually, like the guy who envisioned the systems that print flashcards and boxes the whole thing. I was like, that person's amazing.Sarah Rhoads 34:35  Thank God for that guy. Lesley Logan 34:36  Yeah, yeah. Thank goodness, because I don't have to be the person who does it. Anyways. Okay, I could talk to you forever, but we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and get your amazing shoes. Lesley Logan 34:47  All right, Sarah, where do you hang out? What socials are we sharing? Where can they pre-order these amazing shoes, or just order them because they'll be out by now?Sarah Rhoads 34:55  Oh, I love it. Okay, so Commbi C-O-M-M-B-I dot co and then you can get on our mailing list. That'll be how you find out new, hot pre-releases coming at you. And then our Instagram handle is @Commbi_official. So yeah, that's that's us.Lesley Logan 35:15  Wonderful. You've given so many great tips, but I can't get enough of you. So bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps our listeners can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us? Sarah Rhoads 35:25  I think, knowing deep in your soul that everything's working out for you, and knowing that anyone can do anything, and trusting yourself and believing in yourself, that's that's the biggest thing that I would say.Lesley Logan 35:40  I love those. I think you've said a few things that'll be on Post-Its in my office for a little bit, and I'll just think of you. Oh my gosh, Sarah, thank you for being you. Thank you for creating Commbi shoes, like and also for being I think people listening, we all need like inspirations, like people we can look at and go, okay, she did it and so I can, like, you know, we just need these reminders. So thank you for doing that. And it's really cool that your kids get to see you and your husband create something amazing as well together. So just a hats off to you, and I'll be, I'll be ordering more shoes. So just know I'm stalking you.Sarah Rhoads 36:19  I gotta hook you up and your listeners up with a little discount code so we can talk about that. Lesley Logan 36:24  Yeah, we'll do that, you guys. It'll be, we'll make sure we send it out with this episode. Thank you. Thank you for being you. Lesley Logan 36:24  All right, loves. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag Commbi official. Tag the Be It Pod, share this episode with a friend who needs to hear it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 36:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 37:22  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 37:27  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 37:31  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 37:38  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 37:41  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan shares 19 thought-provoking quotes by Carl Jung to remind us of our power to change, lead, and grow. She also highlights a major business win from Agency member Stacey Extence and opens up about her own journey in receiving support through hiring a personal trainer. This episode is a celebration of growth, self-awareness, and asking for help when it counts.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:19 insightful quotes from Carl Jung to shift your mindset.How stepping away helped Stacey Extence create her best revenue month.Teaching strategies for supporting clients with visual impairments.The value of outsourcing even when you're capable of doing it yourself.Why repeating an investment in yourself still counts as a win.Episode References/Links:19 Powerful Sentences by Carl Jung - https://www.instagram.com/p/DJneo8RRVPg/Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah.Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:47  Hi Be It babe, welcome to your Fuck Yeah Friday, this short, sweet and hopefully very inspiring episode where I share something that inspired me, that hopefully is useful for you, a win of yours and a win of mine, and it reminds us that we're not perfect bands, thank God, and that we are doing the best we can to make life a better place for ourselves and those around us, right? So the thing that came across my feed that I was like, oh, I gotta share this with the Be It Pod babes says 19 Powerful Sentences by Carl Jung That Will Change How You View the World. Okay, I'm gonna take the time to read all 19, and so we'll put the link in the show notes, so that if there's one that like stands out to you, you can go back and you can screenshot it and save it for yourself. Number one, I am not what happened to me. I am what I choose to become. I mean, if that's not be it till you see it, right, I don't know what is. Number two, everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves. Ooh, love that. Number three, if the path before you is clear, you're probably on someone else's. Number four, you are what you do, not what you say you'll do. Well, that's another be it till you see it one. Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate. Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate. Where your fear is, there your task is. Talk about this and the opening credit, opening music of the pod, right? Like do, got to do things that's scary because that's where clarity comes from. Yeah, it's antidote to fear. Action is. Your visions will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. So, your visions will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell. The world will ask who you are, and if you don't know, the world will tell you. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own souls. The first half of life is devoted to forming a healthy ego, the second half is going inward and letting go of it. Isn't that the truth that's so adulting, it's so hard. Okay, one does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. If a man knows more than others, he becomes lonely. Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling. No matter how isolated you are and how lonely you feel, if you do your work truly and conscientiously, unknown friends will come and seek you. So true. Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge. That's amazing. Know all the theories, master all the techniques, but as you touch a human soul, be just another human soul. Solitude is for me a fount of healing, which makes my life worth living. Talking is often torment for me, and I need many days of silence to recover from the futility of words. The privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are. That's a be it till you see it. Oh, I'm so glad we ended with that one. Brilliant, wonderful, beautiful. I'm gonna save that one just because, like, keep it for myself. Oh my gosh. So, so good. So I would love to know which one of those are your favorite. Which ones you're gonna put on a Post-It. Like our other guests have said about things, to remind yourself, because that's what we need, right? Lesley Logan 4:27  All right, now let's do a win of yours. This is from Stacey Extence. She's an Agency member. We've had her for a long, long time, and I'm really proud she's had a couple wins that she shared with you as before. So I'm grateful that she's letting us share another one. She said okay, this month has been crazy insane in the best possible way. Apparently, all I needed to do was go out of town and stop stressing for things to start rolling. Pause. I gotta tell you this. Listen to that again. I just needed to go out of town and stop stressing. You guys cannot micromanage your stress and the constraint and control you're trying to have around the dreams you have are what's keeping it from happening. So do the work. Do not just like manifest that shit, like, do the actual work, but also kind of let go of the control of how it plays out. Okay. Coming back to Stacy's win. Best month ever in revenue. It was a nice blend of packages and group classes. I could actually pay my bills with the money made this month. This is the first time all year that has happened. Six new clients dropped in my calendar, and most have been repeat clients. I taught my first blind client. I was mindful to use my hands to make noise on the equipment, brushing over the spring so she could hear where they were, shaking the handles and straps, etcetera. I also guided her hand while describing the Reformer. After my initial follow up text, she said that she was absolutely loved it and couldn't stop talking about it all last weekend, she's coming in every weekend in June for more lessons. Two random folks who've never done Pilates saw my fundraising event on Facebook and are coming to the Mat Raiser next weekend. I'm hoping to flip one or both into regular clients. Have an opportunity to team up and do an event with a local female social group who has events in the Milwaukee area, looking at August timeframe, and the apartment conflicts I reached out to would like to partner with me, so I got to make the flyer for their newsletters to homeowners, as well as a digital piece for the TVs and the lobbies. Humongous, like, so many wins in just the time that you like, sat down, got quiet and went on a vacation, Stacey. First of all, we have to acknowledge you did the work, all right? You did the effort in to make the Mat Raiser, that's a fundraiser guys, happen that you told people about it. Also, you didn't get scared and go, oh, I'm not capable of teaching someone who's blind. You're like, no, I can teach a body. I just have to learn how to tell them what we're doing, because it's going to challenge me. Like, I just think that a lot of us often don't raise our hands to say, yeah, I'll do that. And others want to do things, but then we don't do the things around it to make sure people know, like we talked about this in past episodes, some people won't share what they're working on until it's perfectly done. No, tell people you're working on your website. Tell people what you want to be until you see, tell people what you're doing. Why? Because they will help you. Before I was a certified Pilates instructor, I was telling everyone I was becoming a certified Pilates instructor. Guess what? I want to take Pilates with you. And so then I had practice bodies to teach. So at the studio that I was becoming a teacher, right? So I was able to actually teach even more bodies as a brand new teacher than if I had not told anyone all, so I was an even better teacher when I graduated. So you got to share with people what's going on, what you're working on, so that they can cheer you on. At the very least, right? At the very least. Lesley Logan 4:27  Okay, my win. So I hired myself a trainer. We're going in month three with this person, and so when is I hired a trainer? I think I've talked about this in the podcast before. I'm still celebrating it, because I have to pay every single month to keep it going. And I wanted to share with you that, like, a win can be just repeating an investment you made on yourself, right? Two, it has been really, really nice to let someone pour into me. So the second win is that I am receiving, receiving someone's expertise in my life around something that I'm knowledgeable but not an expert in, and it's just so nice. So I just want to say like you might be a great cook or a great housekeeper of your own house, or even a great person with your own dogs. And guess what, you might need help, right? And so investing in people who actually want to make the thing that you can do well, but they can do great as their business, investing in them is a way of practicing receiving and indulging in yourself and prioritizing yourself. And so here we are going into the fourth month of working together. She's able to like, handle like, okay, this month, I'm not in town, I'm not in my gym, so here's what I have access to, and she's able to give me workouts. And so I don't have to be creative, I could just focus on the things that I'm really good at. And so I just love this win so much. Because my hope is it inspires you. If there's something that you need to do, just because you can doesn't mean you should. I have a client that I've been working with, and she is on a weight loss journey, and so she's got a trainer, she's got me, and we were talking about some things, and she's like, yeah, I just need to get better at my meal planning, and I said to her I know you actually have been on this journey for a long time, and you've done tons of research, and I know you know all the things, but have you thought about getting help with this just for a month? So not a full-time investment, not a forever investment, just like a two weeks or a 30-day investment, and to see how it makes you feel. Does even having it for just your lunches help you only have to plan your dinners, because it can be overwhelming to meal plan all of your meals to help give you the nutrition and fuel that you need for the workouts that you're doing and for the life you want to have. That can be overwhelming, but if you have some help in it, it allows you to go I just only have to focus on the dinners, right? Like we have to make things a little easier for ourselves, the things we want to do and outsourcing it for a short period of time is a win. It's not a failure. It's not like, oh, I couldn't do it. It's like, no, I'm seeking out help. You know, I used to get meals delivered when I worked in a studio, because I wouldn't, I just didn't have the time every single day to prep my breakfast and my lunch. It was just so, so hard. So I had someone send it to the studio, breakfast and lunch, Monday through Friday. So I get to the studio and there would be my breakfast and lunch, and I just had to worry about dinner. And it was so nice because I would just, I'd only to go grocery shopping for dinner and not only that, and it was wonderful to help make sure I was fueled for the day. You know, meal plan doesn't have to actually have anything to do with weight loss, and it can actually just have everything to do with like, giving yourself nutrition. So anyways, my win is receiving the expert support and continuing to do it and hopefully inspiring you to just evaluate in your life, where it could just be a little bit helpful to have someone support you somewhere. Maybe OPC is the thing that supports your movement practice, or if you're a Pilates instructor, maybe agency becomes a support in your life, right? Yes, these things are investments. Yes, they cost money. And I'm going to tell you right now, when I had the meal delivery service, it wasn't like I was rolling in it. It was an expense, but it literally meant that I wasn't wasting food and that I wasn't so frustrated. So actually, my business was better because I had more energy to be in it. I'm just saying, sometimes we have to spend money to make money, right? Sometimes we need to invest in ourselves. We can go the next level to be it till I see it. All right you guys, thank you so much. I hope you are loving these episodes. Please share them with a friend, or share our interviews with a friend. That's how we get this podcast to go. Leave a review if you haven't already. That would mean the world to me, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 7:27  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:27  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:56  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:05  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 8:16  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 8:21  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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In this powerful recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on Joy Hoover's inspiring interview about redefining women's safety through community and innovation. They highlight how Joy is working to change harmful narratives around victim shaming and help people recognize red flags before it's too late. From revolutionary tools for drink spiking prevention to bold leadership in gender-based violence advocacy, this episode is a call to rethink how we can band and protect one another.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Joy Hoover is using innovation to revolutionize women's safety.Why collective action is more powerful than doing it alone.The real cost of gender-based violence and what we can do about it.The importance of storytelling and community in social impact work.Why listening to survivors is key to building safer communities.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://www.pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comFree Mat Pilates for Strength Training - https://www.fullbodyin15.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsEpisode 439: Tia Levings - https://beitpod.com/tialevingsEpisode 352: Tess Waresmith - https://beitpod.com/tesswaresmithBad Dates Podcast - https://beitpod.com/baddatesEsōes Cosmetics Website - https://www.esoescosmetics.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Women aren't being believed as much or or the blame is on them for putting themselves in the situations. And I think like if we can all think about it differently, we can actually start to spot things and support people instead of going well, how did that happen to them? Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the groundbreaking convo I had with Joy Hoover in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go listen to that one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. You can do whatever order you want, but it's one you have to listen to. Brad Crowell 0:58  Whatever you want. Lesley Logan 1:00  I mean, I say it on all episodes, you got to go listen to it because, you know, we can only cover so much of what the guest said, but it's also like quite a unique, amazing thing. So Today is August 14th 2025 and it's got two things for you. I'm sure Brad want me to choose. I'm not going to do it. National, it's National Financial Awareness Day. So how much would you like to bet that most people don't know August 14th is National Financial Awareness Day?Brad Crowell 1:43  Well, it's about betting. They were being cute. I think it's cute. Lesley Logan 1:46  They still managed to say the date and the name. Brad Crowell 1:49  100% of the time they answer the question, they re-ask the question when answering the question always.Lesley Logan 1:54  It's more important than you think. And plus, what's more fun than financial independence?Brad Crowell 1:58  What is more fun? Yay. Skippy.Lesley Logan 2:01  Hey, you know what? Financial independence is literally the thing that, if you have you can do anything you want. You can leave any job, shitty relationship, shitty situation. Financial independence is like the thing. It's more, I think it's more important than just like, the ability to walk, you need to have financial independence.Brad Crowell 2:19  It's funny because it sounds silly, but at the same time, it's not something that anyone ever talks about. Like, no one, like, you're not taught this stuff at school. Right?Lesley Logan 2:32  Yeah, no, you're, no. I think I was taught to balance a checkbook, as if that did anything for me. But I like, I think about Tia Leving's episode. Brad Crowell 2:39  I have to say I was thinking about that.Lesley Logan 2:41  And I think about.Brad Crowell 2:42  If y'all don't remember, she was stuck in an abusive relationship where she had no control over the finances, and she couldn't leave, even though it was abusive, because if she did, she. Lesley Logan 2:52  Would lose her kids. Brad Crowell 2:54  She would lose her kids because she didn't have any money to support her kids. Lesley Logan 2:56  Yeah, this is where, like, a lot of people were like, oh, why don't they just leave? It goes back to, like, the Diddy stuff, oh they could have just left. No. When they're controlling your career, when they're controlling how where you live, and they're paying your rent and all these things, even if you think, oh, well, they did this. It was, there's, there's control, there's not financial independence, and if we have to teach that, even if the person's not abusive, because there's plenty of people who are partners, who are parents, who are bosses, who are non-abusive. Brad Crowell 3:03  Sure. Lesley Logan 3:05  But everybody deserves to have financial independence and financial awareness information so that they can make sure they're making the right decisions for themselves. And then they have options. You always have choices. Okay, back to why they want to educate us. So, first off, think about that great feeling you get when you don't have the looming spin specter of debt hanging over you. Also sound financial decisions can really make a difference down the road. Remember, retirement is a time to take all those vacations you couldn't when working the daily grind. I have so many problems with this day already, because you shouldn't wait for a retirement to take those vacations and don't let people tell you, debt is a big (inaudible).Brad Crowell 4:01  I was going to say the same thing, like, sure, debt can be looming, especially if it's like credit card debt that's keeping you bound. Lesley Logan 4:08  Yes, because they control you. Brad Crowell 4:09  Well, it's not just that. It's like, it's it's a it's oppressive to to moving forward because you're just paying the interest. But at the same time, like, I think my relationship with that changed when I became a business owner, because, you, you it's part of businesses also, you know, you can also have debt, and you can manage that debt without it destroying everything, so.Lesley Logan 4:30  And also, a good credit score is because you can show that you can manage debt. That's what it is. It's not being debt-free. It's managing debt. Which is which, yeah, okay, so there was good intentions with this day, anyways. Because money is important to our overall peace of mind, Financial Awareness Day is a great time to review where you are now and where you're going financially. Don't let bad financial decisions ruin the best years of your life.Brad Crowell 4:54  Okay, so we're just gonna stop reading this. But I think the points are still good. You know? I think, I think one thing that most, I'll tell you what I didn't do. I never reviewed my financial position. I didn't even know what that meant, right? I just knew that I needed to make enough money to get to the end of the month so that I could do it again, right? I never, like, stepped back and like was, was trying to look at like, oh, I have a car, the value of the car. Oh, I have a house, the value of the house, or, you know, whatever, like my, I have a savings account, or I have been putting money in my savings account. Do I have a plan? Never had a plan before, you know, the last couple of years and and now you can it's easy to get sidetracked from your plan. It's very easy to get sidetracked from your plan, unless you put things on an automated like your your money comes in, and then automatically, things happen at the end of the month. It's easy to forget to slide, you know, money over into your retirement fund, or whatever it might be, and you know, so what what you can do, which I think is really helpful, is to throw once a month review, you know, our just take a look at all the numbers. Take a look at it. Like, open up the credit card statement online, open up the bank account online, take a look at that. Like, log into your Social Security account. How weird is that to even say, does anybody do that? I do that. Okay. Lesley Logan 6:12  Yeah, I do it. I just don't I don't know, at this moment in time we're recording, I doubt we're gonna see any of it, but you should, I agree with you. Like, it's important to be aware of where all your accounts are, what's in all of them. Don't put your, don't be an ostrich. And also, like, please don't let the money stories of your parents or like, even your college years dictate like, what you think of yourself when it comes to money, because that attitude is not going to help you be it till you see it with financial success. Listen to our episode with wealth with Tess. That is the episode I want you to listen to if this day resonates with you. Okay, Love Your Bookshop Day. Of course, we talk about this becauseBrad Crowell 6:50  Tess's episode was 352. Lesley Logan 6:52  Wow. Brad Crowell 6:53  352Lesley Logan 6:54  So, Love Your Bookshop Day is celebrated every year, also on August 14th. It is a holiday that was founded by the Australian Booksellers Association. The aim is to appreciate bookshops around the country and highlight all the things that make local bookshops beneficial with an appreciation for books and encourages more people to read. Bookshops exist to serve the knowledge to the public, and that is a very important job. The more equipped bookshops are, the better quality of knowledge people can access to in a time when books are being ordered online, the local brick and mortar bookshop needs all the support it can get. You guys, they don't sponsor the show, but bookshop.org think that it's called, if you order your books through them, they send the money to support a local bookshop near you, and that if you want to have that online ease, but also support a local bookshop. I also like it's called a bookshop. So it's a bookstore. Anyways, go read a book. Go read, go read a book that's gonna, like, inspire you. Maybe I'll add a book (inaudible). Brad Crowell 7:47  Go sit in a bookshop, coffee shop. Lesley Logan 7:52  Oh my gosh. Have you been to the Writer's Block, babe? Brad Crowell 7:55  No, in Vegas? Lesley Logan 7:56  Yeah. Brad Crowell 7:56  Have not.Lesley Logan 7:57  Oh, they got a smoothie bar, coffee, a cat walk around. Don't take Bayon. Cats walking around the coffee shop. Maybe they have birds. I think it's a bird sanctuary, not cat sanctuary. Anyways, it is the coolest bookshop. And now listen to me, I'm gonna call it a bookshop my Australian accent, it's the coolest bookstore I've been to in a long time. But there's some other ones, and I actually want to start looking at some really cool bookstores when we start doing tours. Brad Crowell 8:19  It's a bird sanctuary. Lesley Logan 8:19  Yeah, bird sanctuary. You know how we like, we do vintage shops a lot. I think I want to switch that to, like, really cool bookstores, because there's some really cool bookstores out there. Okay, speaking of being on the road, we are on the road for a few more days, and so you can go to OPC.me/tour because I think you can get, if there's anything left, you can get to Idaho, Salt Lake or Las Vegas OPC.me/tour. Our winter tour will be announced in the fall, so stick around for that. Then we're home for a couple of weeks, and then, babe, we're headed to, where are we headed, in September, we're headed to the U.K. Brad Crowell 8:52  Yes, we're gonna, we're really fired up to be back to the U.K. and we actually have two stops we're doing this time. We're gonna be in Leeds and in Essex. So come join us. If you are in London. We actually set it up where you could be on a day pass with us.Lesley Logan 9:03  I think there's even all our workshops. So if you are someone who just wants to do one workshop now.Brad Crowell 9:07  Yeah, it might be. Go, go check it out. Go to opc.me/uk. We're going to be covering, it's mostly Pilates stuff. And then there's a couple of workshops. The workshops are skewed toward business, but they're not really business. It's like managing your calendar, that's managing, you know, how do you, how do you make an ideal schedule for yourself? And that, of course, can be used for business, but it's also you don't have to run a business to, you know, pull some benefits from that, and then, yeah, anyway, we can't wait to be back. It's gonna be awesome. In October, we're heading to Chicago. Lesley Logan 9:36  Yeah, there's Balanced Bodies, P.O.T. Chicago. And at the time of this record as this dropping, you can still get the early bird 10% off if there's any spots left. I do know that.Brad Crowell 9:46  Do you have a link for that? Lesley Logan 9:47  balancedbodypilates.com just like a P.O.T. Chicago and it comes up, like it kind of just comes up. But anyways, yeah, of course, it's a long link. However, when they emailed me last week, it was 75% sold out. So just so you know, don't wait on that. Then we're gonna go from Chicago to Cambodia.Brad Crowell 10:07  Directly, literally. Don't even go home. We just go straight through San Francisco to Cambodia. That's gonna be amazing. And basically, you know, we got, we still got room, and there's still time. It's only August. We're not going till October, right, so.Lesley Logan 10:20  Oh I know, people signed up for last one in December, we went. Brad Crowell 10:24  Six weeks ahead of time. Yeah. We had someone sign up six weeks ahead of time so. Lesley Logan 10:29  We had someone signed up two weeks ahead of time. Brad Crowell 10:29  Oh, it was only two. Lesley Logan 10:29  The last October, my mom's. Brad Crowell 10:31  Yeah, yeah, it was only two. Okay, yeah. So anyway, yeah, so it's possible there's still plenty of room come join us. It's gonna be amazing. And then, like, randomly, on the way home from Cambodia we're gonna be in Singapore.Lesley Logan 10:43  Yeah. So we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens, and we're working on teaching a gig. So you know, Singapore, Hi, we're coming. Brad Crowell 10:49  Yeah, we're coming. Lesley Logan 10:50  And then, of course, December is winter tour. We should be announcing all of that in the fall, so come October. But if you want to host with us, reach out. The team will help you fill out the forms. And if we're on the path this year, yay. And if we're not, we'll save you for another time. But don't, don't wait.Brad Crowell 11:06  Yeah that's going to be awesome. Before we get into this really interesting convo with Joy Hoover, also, like, scary-a-little-bit convo with Joy Hoover. From the statistics were like, mind blowing. I was like, What the hell. But before we get there, we got a question from Corinne_ca11 (aka Cori) from IG. She asks, hey, how many days a week do you recommend weight lifting in addition to your Pilates practice?Lesley Logan 11:34  Yeah, so here's okay. Brad Crowell 11:35  Great question. Lesley Logan 11:36  Great question. Personally, I lift weights three to four days a week and I do Pilates four to five days a week. Now, is that a scientific thing that you should be doing? I don't know. It's really works for my schedule. I particularly like an extra day of Pilates compared to my weight training, because I do feel like it keeps everything ready for the next one. Like weight training always makes my body feel a little bit heavy. I mean, of course, I feel great in it, and there's no knocks. Like, I believe every woman does need to lift some weights, but my body feels heavy. And so Pilates kind of like opens everything back up and readies it for the next time. And that's why I like it. But I will say, depending on what your goals are, you definitely, from what I've heard or what I've read, everyone should be lifting weights, two, three days a week, and then I believe Pilates should be done three to four days a week. And that doesn't mean hour long sessions, doesn't have to be, the amount of minutes is not as important as the consistency and the quality of the movement. So three quality reps over 10 is always better than it comes to Pilates, and that's just my opinion, but I particularly really like it, and I will we're actually we taught in Santa Barbara a workshop on mat Pilates for strength training, people who strength train. And I actually taught everyone there how to do a 20, 15-minute workout with 20 Pilates mat exercises that will benefit anyone who lifts weights. And you can literally do it after you lift all your weights at the gym, or you could do it before, or you could do it on your off days, or you could do it under your zone two as a way to, kind of like, stretch and move everything around. It's 15 minutes full body workout. It will absolutely improve your form and the results you're getting with your strength training. You can actually take a version of that workshop at fullbodyin15.com. Brad Crowell 13:17  Yeah, fullbodyin15.com love that, by the way, that's free. Lesley Logan 13:21  It's free. Brad Crowell 13:22  And it'll help you learn the five major spine shapes in Pilates and create that 15-minute workout. So definitely dig in there. Great question, Cori, thanks for that. If you have a question, text us at 310-905-5534 or because who can remember those phone numbers? Go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this convo with Joy Hoover. Brad Crowell 13:49  Okay, now let's talk about Joy Hoover, who's our neighbor, by the way, temporarily, which is kind of cool. After experiencing a devastating family tragedy in 2013, Joy Hoover dedicated herself for 15 years in Vegas to improving women's safety, anti-trafficking and fighting gender-based violence. She founded the nonprofit Cupcake Girls, which y'all probably know because we support them with Profitable Pilates. And she later launched Esōes Cosmetics, pronounced SOS. It's spelled E-S-O-E-S the world's first patented smart lipstick featuring built-in drink testing strips and a panic button that is linked to a safety app. Her work has supported over 10,000 survivors and earned multiple awards and national media recognition. And it's quite, it's quite, quite clever. Lesley Logan 14:40  You know what's funny is we just recapped David Corbin, and you met Joy at the same exact event. Brad Crowell 14:46  David. Lesley Logan 14:48  Is that the same we just interviewed? Brad Crowell 14:50  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 14:51  You met them both at the same event.Brad Crowell 14:52  So yes, David, I did. I actually had lunch with Joy, or I sat at a table withJoy. Yeah, it was lunch. And then David was the after the event was over. You're right. What a great event that was.Lesley Logan 15:03  Yeah. And it's funny, because I didn't interview them near each other, but they're coming out next to each other, so that's hilarious. So we talked. I mean, first, I just want to say that, like, if you haven't yet listened to this episode and you there is, like, violent talk in there. There are some topics that could be triggering or activating in some people. So do take caution when you listen to it, but I do think it's really important to listen to because, I wanna highlight a couple parts of her story that have nothing to do. Well, they have a lot to do with all the things, but like, you can see yourself in those stories. So when she and her husband had their first kid, his dad killed his mom, and they just had a baby. And so can you imagine being new parents and then, like, dealing with, like, the, not just the loss of parent, but like.Brad Crowell 15:49  I think she said that their daughter was, like, eight days old and they had to fly across the country to handle that. Lesley Logan 15:51  I mean, of course, so tragic, but for them to figure out, for them to not let that define them, but instead allow them to create a, carve a path that could help them, use their story to support other people with different stories in them is really, really cool. And I think a lot of times we have these tragic things happen in our lives, and they become the story we tell ourselves that's held us back. Oh, I've lost seven people in my life. Oh, this happened, and I don't want to discount those things. Those are especially like, when you have abuse like that, ends in that way it is. It's devastating. But, I do think that, like. Brad Crowell 16:27  She said it was happening for like, 40 years. Lesley Logan 16:30  Yeah, and that's like, that's really hard to grow up around, to experience, to like, to have relationships and other things. And so I just want to say, like, I think that their their story and other people's stories that are similar, where they persevered through that. It kind of it, it changed who they are as parents and also how they raise their children, but also how they see other people. Because I think it's so easy to judge, like, why didn't she leave? Or why, like, we talked about this earlier with the financial stuff, like, Why didn't this? And it's like some of this stuff has been going on for so long, you know, you don't think it will ever turn to something that bad, right? So, and then the other thing that I want to highlight that happened to them as they started SOS, really cool company. Invest their life savings to, like, make this product, it's going to help.Brad Crowell 17:15  Raise money, like, had friends and family help support.Lesley Logan 17:17  It's gonna help people who, who need, access to support wherever they are, and obviously women, this is what the product is for. But we all need this. It can be helpful for anybody, but they had a fire like a freak electrical situation in their roof. First of all, the product helped get the fire department there. You have to listen to the story. It's insane. Brad Crowell 17:38  Faster than calling 911. Lesley Logan 17:39  Yes, faster than calling 911, this product, they were able to press the panic button and get the fire department there, which the fire department said, if they had, any, any minute later, they would have lost the whole house. So they got to keep the framework. Anyways, there's a lot going on there, but they lost all the product. Yeah, however, because they had to start from scratch, and they already had customers, and they'd already been going through it. They use it as an opportunity to make it even better. And I share this because, like, so many times, like.Brad Crowell 18:09  I mean, how do how deflating would that be that not only do you lose your house, but all your business at the exact same time. Lesley Logan 18:16  I mean, I don't even know how you just go get a job at Costco. Like, I don't even know how you go let me do this again. Brad Crowell 18:20  Let me start over. Lesley Logan 18:21  I, like, buy.Brad Crowell 18:22  After everything burned down. Lesley Logan 18:23  While I'm not living in my own home. Like, let me just start this over while like, all, that's what, I'm not gonna lie, like, I think I seriously would have got a job at Costco because I could get my steps in. You know, I hear good things. The hot dogs are $1.50 like, you know, like, I would have just, like, packed it in, but instead, they use it as an opportunity to make the product even better. Aand I think, as a business owner or someone who's working on a new project like we think we have to get it right from the first time, the first start, the first the first iteration has to be the best one. And actually, like most people's first ones are not the one that go like, not the one that goes to market. In fact, we have. Brad Crowell 19:01  How many websites have we rebuilt? Lesley Logan 19:03  Don't tell me. Don't tell me. But you know what? Even our mat deck, right? Like we have changed the mat deck, our Mat Flashcard Deck, because we put it out there, we sold 3000 decks, and then we printed a new version of it, because we've all the feedback we got. And then also how we know other people use the other decks? Ken Endelman said that, you know, Joe Pilates, a lot of his sketches and his patents that he sent in, and not really sent in, but he pretended like he did, those are not things he went to market with. He's like, you don't usually go to market with the first one. Like, you use that to get the patent, but that's not what what you go to market with. And so I think, like. Brad Crowell 19:38  I mean, even now, we've just made another change to the flashcard deck boxes, you know, like, like, like it. Because every time we learn something new, we're like, oh, we need to add that on, or we need to do this, or we should adjust this, or whatever. Lesley Logan 19:53  Oh, yeah, we have to made in the USA, on our boxes. Brad Crowell 19:55  How do we how do we miss that? Five years, we never, we were never (inaudible). Lesley Logan 19:58  Clearly, it wasn't like, I remember my dad, like, going, does it say made in the USA? No, you can't have it. So I don't even know how, like, I'd skipped my brain. We were printing it, but apparently it's a thing. Anyways, I just point this out, because even if you don't think the topic applies to you, you think, oh, I'm not going off having first dates, or I'm not, like, I'm not interested in this, every single one of us is going to do a first again? And then get frustrated because it didn't work. And honestly, it's because you're supposed to, you're supposed to go with the second thing or the third iteration. Brad Crowell 20:30  Yeah. I mean, there's also the tech. The tech part of the of it, it is proximity, or like, as well. So if somebody else in a room, if you are on the app and someone else in the room pushes the button, you will get notified as well. So like, you know, might not necessarily be you personally, who might be in that scenario, but it could be that you're in the proximity of someone who needs help. So, just interesting. Lesley Logan 20:53  Yeah, and this is, like, we're, we're like, you know, we can be, we always think we want it. We can be an alert for other people, but it's hard to be an alert when you can't see the signs, like we've talked about, like somebody like choking, you can see actual signs. They are choking. They need help. But when someone feels unsafe on a date or at a meeting or, you know, or walking down the street, you can't tell oftentimes that they feel unsafe. And this is a very discreet way, a very discreet tech that allows them to say, I'm not safe, and other people to be able to be witnesses or support in that, in that, yeah, so I think it's really cool.Brad Crowell 21:26  Yeah, definitely, you know, like a lot, like a lot going on there, you know, I think I have something else I wanted to talk about, but just the fact, first off, how the hell is it possible that they build a relationship with the emergency services, where pressing a button on a lipstick container would get the fire department to her house faster than calling nine fucking one one, like, what? How did they? How did they do that? I didn't even know that I didn't even know how that's possible. Lesley Logan 21:52  (inaudible) want to know. But obviously, like that might be like, you know, confidential information is I want people to know, not because, like, you know, like, maybe they're not allowed to say, maybe it's an NDA. But no, we called 911, and got put on hold.Brad Crowell 22:05  What? But it also makes you realize that there are, like, clearly, there are systems that can be tapped into, and they were able to figure that out. I didn't even know that that was a thing. Like, I would have imagined.Lesley Logan 22:19  It makes me think of what's the Italian Job where Seth Green's character is like, tapping into, like the yeah napster is like tapping into like the red lights up. That's a red light. That's a green light. Like, clearly, there's.Brad Crowell 22:32  Sorry, I won't start until you address me as Napster.Lesley Logan 22:34  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's clearly, like, something. But I also just want to say, like, if you haven't yet listened to the episode, you want to listen to it so you could understand what the product is, and you can also see it on our YouTube channel. It's quite cool, and I think, an excellent gift for every woman in your life, even if they're married, it's you, you, because she talks about using it for like a kid she saw on the street. Brad Crowell 22:55  So yeah, she said, yeah. She and and her husband saw a kid with no shoes in Vegas, which walking down a sidewalk or whatever, and she's like, there's something wrong here clearly, you know, so, but, but, yeah, I mean, it's, anyway, the tech part is fascinating and really, really fancy. And then, of course, they have, it's lipstick, so presumably they will have different colors at some point. Lesley Logan 23:19  Yeah, there's a whole thing. It's, I mean, she's done a great job. Brad Crowell 23:22  And then, but anyway, you know, she was talking about blame culture, oh yeah. And she was talking about how there's a crazy number of people who've experienced drink spiking where, you know, I was looking up a bunch of stats, and, like, like, at very least 10% of women have reported it saying, like, I either have my drink spiked, or I saw someone spike someone else's drink. Lesley Logan 23:44  It's also, I think the number is so high because, like (inaudible). Brad Crowell 23:50  Well, that's, that's only, that's only, like people who have actually reported it, you know. And then there's, there's polling that has happened where you know it's, it's not, that's not necessarily reported to, like, it's a poll. Lesley Logan 24:00  Well, can you imagine if nothing, or you don't know if anything happened to you? Like, I have just in all the podcasts I listen to, like, people have called the cops and the cops are like. Brad Crowell 24:10  Don't do shit. Lesley Logan 24:11  Don't do fucking shit. And don't I'm not, like, I'm not against police, guys. What I am against is this culture of, like, not believing women, and it goes to this blame stuff. Like, what were you wearing? What were you doing? You know, like, if you're.Brad Crowell 24:23  Or it's like, did they, did they threaten you? You know, like, I guess maybe I don't know what the actually, this is interesting. If you, if you know, what do you need to say to get them to pay attention? That would be something that'd be worth finding. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, just, there's a there's a.Brad Crowell 24:43  Well, because here's like, I, my personal experience was I had somebody threaten me when I was living in L.A. right, and I was afraid, and I didn't know what to do, so I called the police, and it wasn't an emergency. He wasn't like, he wasn't at my door. But I called them, and I said, hey, I I don't know what to do here, but, like, this guy's threatened me, and he's he might be on his way over right now. I don't. know what to do. And they were like, did he threaten to kill you? And I was like, he didn't say, I'm going to kill you. And they were like, we're not going to do anything. And I was like, what? Like, he's, he's making me feel like I'm in trouble.Lesley Logan 25:11  Well, I just listened to, it was just, I was listening to, like, a Dateline or something like that. And they brought up the story about this woman, Denise, who was kidnapped from her home, and then, like, taken away for several days, and then, and then told not to tell anyone. And they called her the American Gone Girl, like the real life Gone Girl. They didn't believe her boyfriend. They said he must have done it. He must, must have done it. They didn't believe her. They tried to charge her with a crime. They just said that they, like, wasted the police time. Then come to find out, two other victims called separate police departments to claim the same thing, and those police departments didn't believe them. Why would anyone do that? Like, didn't believe them. So I am with you. Like, we don't we need to know. What do cops need to hear so they actually believe what you're saying. But also, like, I think it just goes.Brad Crowell 25:53  Like, it's a common experience among survivors is that they're like, I wasn't believed, right, and, and, like, the the number of people who, in polling have to have have said, hey, yes, I've experienced drink spiking, is like, could be, like, super high. It could be as high as one in two women. Right? And anyway, like when you put it all together, there's clearly a problem. It's fucked up, that there's a problem, but there is a problem, right? And then when women aren't believed, you know, and it doesn't actually just have to be women having their drink spiked. Anybody can have their drink spiked. Lesley Logan 26:28  I listen to the podcast Bad Dates, many men get their drinks spiked. Brad Crowell 26:31  Yeah, when, when if it's reported and it's not believed, what does that teach the person who reported it? Yeah, that they're they're not going to try to even report it next time. What's the point is what they're going to say. Lesley Logan 26:43  And that's what puts you people in not so great situations, where by the time something does happen, it's a little too late to get help. But I think, like, what, you know, she talked a little bit like changing, changing the shift of of shame from the survivor, from the survivor to the perpetrator, and making that the focus. And I think when you use a product like they have, or you educate women in an or man in this way of like, what? What does it mean to like it's not your fault. It really is is more empowering because now you, especially like, so many people are have fear about like, well, what goes what if something goes wrong on the date? What happens if something goes wrong in the interview? What if something goes wrong at the house showing like, we can take some of the fear away and put some control back in the hands of the person who might be might become a victim of something, and we can hopefully stop that or mitigate that.Brad Crowell 27:32  Yeah, and obviously, you know, Joy and her company are very aware of all of the stigma, so they've been intentional about their names of their products. Like, one of them is called We Believe You, It's Not The Dress, you know, like, like, stuff like that, which speak directly to the problem, the real problem, which is the blame game.Lesley Logan 27:54  Yeah, yeah. I just think it's like, you know, unfortunately, we're recording this, like, right after, like, some of the Diddy trials and Weinstein's retrial, and, like, it starts to make you think that, like, the Me Too movement, kind of, like, didn't, didn't have the effect that we thought it would have, and women aren't being believed as much or, or the blame is on them for putting themselves in the situations. And I think, like, if we can all think about it differently, we can actually start to spot things and support people, instead of going, well, how did that happen to them? Like with a judgment, it can, things can happen to anybody at any time in this world. And since we can't actually stop these perpetrators because we don't know who they are, what we can all do is band together and be part of a support system, of of being there for people, whether we know them or not, and just being a safety for them, and also not assuming it's what they wore or what they did at a certain time, or why would you be on that street, like all that stuff is unhelpful and.Brad Crowell 28:54  Doesn't solve the problem anyway. Lesley Logan 28:55  No, doesn't, doesn't. So, anyways, we can get our high horse on this forever. But I do love what Joy is doing, and I think this product is really cool. Brad Crowell 29:03  Yeah. And also, you know, driven by a clear problem that needs a solution. And, you know, it's just really, really clever. And you know, if you see, if you actually go look at the lipstick, it's pretty innocuous. You wouldn't act there's no like, press here, like Acme button kind of a thing. It's, it's quick, easy and then what, what I thought was also cool is you can set it so that, if I think there's settings, if you click it once, you can alert one person. If you click it twice, you can alert a different person.Lesley Logan 29:34  Yeah, you can set up the different things in the app for what you do. And one of our neighbors, you know, her daughter was going off to EDC. Daughter's 19 years old, going to EDC, and of course, the mom wants her daughter to go to EDC, like you should experience festivals when you're 19. She had this product, and she had a Narcan, a Narcan thing so she could be there in case someone needed it, right, like Narcan for somebody who's overdosing, but she had this product to make sure that her own stuff was safe. And that she could be safe so she could enjoy herself and be at EDC. You know, I love, for a 19 year to live in a place where she could just go to a festival and be fine. We don't live in that world. So I love that she was empowered to have a good time and also take care of herself and her friends. Brad Crowell 30:19  That's really cool. That's cool. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because Joy gave us a couple of really amazing Be It Action Items. We're going to dig into those. Brad Crowell 30:19  All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Joy Hoover? She said, hold space for yourself. This came from her conversation around the collective trauma that she and her husband and, you know, daughter experience when her daughter was only eight, but with her in laws, right? And she said, immediately after it happened, they started to get therapy as a as a couple, and they've maintained, you know, therapy since, and that was 2013, so it's been a while, right? And she said, prioritizing your healing, it puts you in a position to help others without inadvertently hurting them, right? Like she said, she's and the call out here was, you have to heal yourself first. You can't heal the heal the world if you're not healing yourself first, right? And she said something very intention. She said it was it's not about your intention, right? It's about your impact. And you could have the intention of helping people, but actually be hurting them. So you need to heal yourself first before you're going on to support others in that kind of a way. She said, also, it's not selfish. It's she said, it is selfish to not heal yourself first. It's not selfish to take care of yourself. It's selfish if you don't take care of yourself. Lesley Logan 31:53  I mean now I love this. Brad Crowell 31:55  Yeah, and this is, like, obviously, right up our alley, you know? And.Lesley Logan 32:00  Do you know what I read the other day in it, in my own My Morning reads, And I am like, now preaching it, because I always say, like, self-care isn't selfish care, right? So self-care is actually an act of self-love. And if you do not love yourself, you actually cannot love other people. Can't. You can feel like you're loving on them and supporting them and liking them, but like, you actually can't truly love others because you don't love yourself. And the hatred and vitriol we're seeing in this world today, online, and in other places, is just because a bunch of people don't love themselves. And we're like, the world needs love. Gotta love yourself first. Cannot just like, go out you can't just spread yourself thin. And I think that that act of therapy, an act of self-love, it's an act of self-care. It's very important. It's not selfish. You're right. Brad Crowell 32:45  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 32:44  Okay, so she said she encouraged us all to join the Swipe Red movement. The core slogan of the movement is, "No more shame, no more doubt. We see red flags, we call them out." And so you can contribute to the community awareness if you just go to Esōes Cosmetics, and that's at esoescosmetics.com and it provides platforms for community engagement. You can submit experiences you had so others can recognize and respond to similar threats. I think that's really important, because sometimes you have not experienced a red flag, but if you hear about other people's, you go, oh, and then you can see the signs. Brad Crowell 33:10  You know, it's funny, because it, I get a weekly email forwarded from my mom who gets notifications from her company about cybersecurity threats, right? And what people have done to trick other people into giving away information that eventually could hurt them, right? And so it's the same idea here. You know this, the community platform that they've put together is a way to just become more educated and be aware. So I love that. Lesley Logan 33:53  And also, in that community, you can ask for guidance on your own red flags. You can submit a question to inquire the situation the minor ick or a significant red flag. Here's the thing, I love this because, you know, 12 years ago, my therapist was like, Yeah, miss, you ignored the red flags in your relationship. So you need to go back into your memory box about those first dates and what flags did you ignore that were red so that you can spot them as you date. And then you have to practice like, how red is this flag? Is this an orange flag? Is it a yellow flag? What kind of flag is this? And I love this because you don't have to do it by yourself. You could do with other people. You could help you can use other people's red flags to help you. So I think it's really cool. I think it's cool. And what a unique Be It Action Item. So, I'm in. Really cool. I hope everyone goes and checks this out again. Like it can be a great gift for a woman in your life or a person in your life, but also, just like to be aware of what's going on. It's so easy for us to think it won't happen to us, and this stuff, you know, like, some people, I've heard people go, oh, I'm too old for that. Like it won't happen to me. And like, I worry the fuck out of like, my mom and women her age who are dating. I'm like, like, no, there are things that can happen to you. I remember my 80 year old clients, like, I can't get pregnant. I'm like, yeah, but you can get crabs, babe. Like, what? You can't just feel like life's good now I don't have anything to worry about. No, bad things happen to good people. You have to be aware. So, thanks, Joy for what you're doing. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 35:16  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 35:17  How are you going to use these tips in your life? Please let us know. Let Joy Hoover at Esōes Cosmetics know, let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. I think it's a great episode to share with a friend. Yes, there's some information that could be hard to listen to, but I think it's really important. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 35:35  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 35:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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In this powerful interview, Joy Hoover, founder of Esōes Cosmetics shares her journey into advocating for women's safety, a path deeply influenced by both her professional background and a significant personal tragedy. She recounts the harrowing experience that ignited her mission to combat drink spiking and its widespread implications. The discussion also covers the complexities of product development, the crucial role of community engagement, and the power of education in preventing gender-based violence. Listen in to hear Joy's story and learn how to identify red flags.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The importance of proactively using prevention tools like Esōes Cosmetics.Why community support and collective action are essential for creating safer environments.How to trust your gut feelings and actively identify "red flags" without self-doubt.Why the solution to gender-based violence requires a multi-faceted approach.The importance of self-healing before helping others or pursuing significant goals.Episode References/Links:Esōes Cosmetics Website - https://www.esoescosmetics.comEsōes Cosmetics TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@joy.e.hooverEsōes Cosmetics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/esoessafetyEsōes Cosmetics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/esoessafetyGuest Bio:Joy Hoover is an innovator powered by audacity, passion, and an unshakable belief that safety, dignity, and opportunity are human rights. For over 15 years, Joy has fought to make Nevada and beyond safer, more just, and more equitable. She has built three nationally recognized social impact startups, advocated for over 10,000 survivors, and worked tirelessly to protect families everywhere. Her groundbreaking work has been honored with awards like Top Tech of the Year and Entrepreneur of the Year and featured by major outlets including Vegas PBS, NYPost, InStyle, and NYLON. As the founder of Esōes Cosmetics, Joy invented the world's first patented tech-enabled lipstick designed to fight drug-facilitated assault and violence. Her mission is clear: make safety a right, not a privilege, and create a world that truly works for everyone. This fight is deeply personal. After losing her mother-in-law to domestic violence and witnessing the broken systems that continue to fail survivors, Joy refuses to accept a world where women battle for their own safety, where families are shattered by preventable violence, and where survivors are abandoned by the very institutions meant to protect them. Today, alongside her husband Phil, their fierce daughters Vivian and Ruby, and their emotional support pup Charlie, Joy stands ten toes down—proving that when we dream big, innovate with purpose, and move with courage and compassion, change is inevitable. (Bio adapted to third  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We need a an overarching solution to truly see this epidemic change.Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:57  All right, Be It babe. So today's guest is someone who's really cool. She's been on my radar for quite some time, and I've been watching what she's doing, and then I've got to see what she was doing. I was like, this is really freaking cool. And then Brad went to this thing, and he met her, and I was like, yeah, that's the one I showed you on my Instagram, and it's because I'm obsessed with lipstick. And then someone made some lipstick that can actually help save your life. So today's episode is going to talk about, not in detail, I'm not, we don't, there's not anything that's like full details of things. But if you have experienced gender-based violence and that is a touchy subject for you, please guard your heart for this episode. But I really do hope as many of you can listen to it, because we're going to talk about ways to prevent it, and we're going to talk with a woman who has founded the Esōes cosmetics company, which is a product based company with tech that can help save your life. And so I'm really, really excited. Joy Hoover is our guest. And so here is a great interview with some really, really amazing, thoughtful full of love, full of joy, full of excitement, full of how community can come together and how you can be integral in preventing gender-based violence. So here we go with Joy Hoover. Lesley Logan 2:01  All right, Be It babe, this is a first. We have a neighbor on the podcast, and no, she's not in my (inaudible) which would have been, would have been something had I planned ahead. But you know what? We are both entrepreneurs, we're flying by the seat of our pants. So Joy Hoover is our guest today. I'm super excited. I'm so excited to get to know you as a neighbor, but also in like all that you're doing, you're quite a badass. So can you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at?Joy Hoover 2:25  Yeah, absolutely. I'm happy to be here, and I love that I met your husband randomly, like, at a conference, and then we're like, oh, we're moving in for a year. And you're like, okay, we're down the street.Lesley Logan 2:37  It's really funny how the world works. Joy Hoover 2:39  Right? The universe loves to combine, you know, unite the right people. So yeah, I'm Joy Hoover. I've been in Vegas for over 15 years working in women's safety and anti-trafficking and anti-gender-based violence. And really, my passion just comes from, like, I want women to be safe, and so I, you know, built a non-profit cupcake girls for 12 years, and then kind of pivoted into this consumer products goods. Like, people are like, why did you create a product? I'm like, I don't quite know. But no, I know. And so, yes, I'm so happy to be able to bring a product to market that is a lipstick that could save your life with tech and test strips. And you know, there's probably not one woman that's listening to this podcast that hasn't at one point or not feared for their safety, worried about their safety, or actually experienced something traumatic. And so my goal is to shift that with drunk girl bathroom energy and help us work together to be the really we're the ones we've been waiting for. So protect ourselves. Lesley Logan 3:39  Yeah, I mean, like, first of all, it's really cool. So I had you, I have the product here, because I was like, this is the coolest thing. I mean, I knew what you were talking about, I've been watching you, like, before we met, I showed Brad some sort of TV show you were on. I was like, babe, look at this. Because, like, I so I'm just, like, really into it. But also, like, I just have to, I want to, like, go back to, like, you've been in Vegas 15 years. What you've been working in is an industry that is not, you know, bright, shiny roses and flowers and lots of misinformation, lots of misleading information, that kind of stuff doesn't actually mean the right people get helped. And so, I guess, like, and then you wanted to start a product, and as someone who else has a product, it is like the hardest fucking thing you'll ever do. Anytime someone's like, oh, I was thinking of doing flashcards. I'm like, okay, you can have the printer's number. Like, I don't care. Good luck when you find out how many hours behind the scenes, how much it costs to hit print, how, like, all that stuff you like, good luck to you, my dear. So how did you go from, like, something that was so hard, probably daily, to then another hard?Joy Hoover 4:46  I know. I was talking to an entrepreneur yesterday. I was like, I think we're just, like a glutton for punishment of actual, like, just like organized chaos, which hopefully it's somewhat organized. But yeah, I think, you know, in, let's see. We're coming up on April 10th 2025 so 12 years ago, on April 10th 2013 we had a newborn baby. Our daughter was eight days old, and we got a phone call. And that call really changed the trajectory of our life, because on the end of that call was someone who said, hey, someone, two people were shot at your parents' property. This is my husband. Both my husband and I on the call, and they don't know where your dad is, and we're literally at Town Square with our eight-day-old newborn baby picking out clothing for her newborn session. And I feel like, like our life flashed before our eyes, from like, what happened before that to what happened after that. And here we are. We're in the middle of this, you know, very, very intense work. We're the 911 phone call for so many of our clients, and we can't help. And what ended up happening is that his mom, my mother in law's final words were in a 911, phone call. And that phone call was literally help, my husband just shot my son, and he's coming after me. And on the end of that call was a gunshot. And so, you know, overnight, within, you know, seconds, we lose his brother, his mom and then his dad, he took his own life. And so here we are. You know, we fly across the country with our baby, and it's just like, what do we do now? And so what we did was a lot of healing, a lot of therapy. We've had an amazing therapist for the last 13 years, and as we started healing our own stories and continuing to show up for thousands, in fact, over 10,000 survivors that we were able to help with resources from, you know, medical and dental to new housing to, you know, moving them across country, away from, you know, abusers and pimps. And what we started realizing is, this is a systemic problem. We know that, you know, we know it's from systemic issues and from, you know, you can talk about all the things. At the end of the day, one of the biggest issues was there was nothing preventing this. Yeah, nothing. That was an easy product. I mean, we have, you know, there's pepper spray, there's, you know, but what I started learning from so many of our clients was we don't carry that because we're afraid we're gonna, like, spray our own eyes with pepper spray, or, you know, like, whatever, like all different things. And like, there has to be something easy, like, easy to use, that could actually help you in a tough situation. And really, that's when I came up with Esōes.Lesley Logan 7:37  Yeah, I, yeah. It's really, I, I lived in Los Angeles for a long time. And so when people, like, when we moved to Vegas, I said, I want to live where there's, like, not an HOA, and they're like, oh, not very safe over there. And I was like, right, what's not safe to you? I live across from the federal building in Los Angeles. Like, there's a protest every Saturday. I got, I got my same homeless people for the same five years that I, you know, we do Thanksgiving together. So what we'll be talking about safety wise, because it's very different, depending on, like, what you've experienced and so, but one thing that, like, I remember when I was single in L.A. was just the amount of steps you go through. You're like, I'll meet you there. No, don't pick me up. Like, and then my girlfriend had pepper spray. She got scared because someone she thought was following her. She sprayed it, the wind blew it back into her eyes, and the guy just walked right by her. So, like, we can laugh because she wasn't in danger. But like, Thank God she wasn't in danger. But like, it's true. Like, you know, like, that kind of stuff. So, so, but I always am, like, we tell women they can be empowered. We tell them to, like, do all these different things. And then, at the end of the day, they're still putting their keys to their fingers when they're walking to their car. And so, like, so, you know, beauty product lines have been around, so thankfully, there's that. But then you're trying to create a product that is helping women on the date make sure that they're not being drugged. Is that correct? Joy Hoover 9:05  Yeah. I mean, the goal is anywhere. But like, you know, the original component was the test strip, was this idea of, how can we test drinks? We know one in two women have experienced drink spiking. We know this happens from, you know, sexual violence, domestic violence, into trafficking, and I'm like, that seems like a semi-easy solution of like, we got to come up with this test strip and we can, like, put it, hide it in this lipstick. Like, that seems semi-easy. And that part actually was fairly easier. The funny part was, again, I'm not like, I'm not a scientist and I'm not an engineer, and so I had to look for, right, hire a scientist and engineer to join my team. And so what I did was I looked at there was one product that had tried to go to market six years ago. Was supposed to be like a nail polish that you like, dip your finger and it changes color. Lesley Logan 9:52  Cool. Joy Hoover 9:53  And so, well, yeah, interestingly enough, that product never did go to market. But what happened was I, we found their patent when my attorney at first applied for ours. And so I found that guy, that scientist in LinkedIn, pursued him for eight months until he would take a call with me. And he finally took a call in May of 2022, and I was like, hey, I want to know how you did this. And I want to know if you want to work with me to make my lipstick. And he's like, he just, basically was just like, do you want to do like, the lipstick changing color, if you like, put it on and it's drugged. And I'm like, no. And he's like, okay, then I'll take a meeting with you. I was like, okay, sounds good. So anyways, that guy is the one who ended up bringing the head engineer from that company to the meeting, and I hired them to develop my product, and we did from everything. And they it was funny because I, they were over, they were in North Carolina, and so I hadn't met them, but when we launched the actual product, they flew in, and they were, when they talked about, they're like, you know, usually we're like, testing things that are more like, you know, your everyday type things. It's not that often we have a whole bunch of roofies in the, you know, and all this alcohol that we're like, testing all these things, and I'm like, yeah I know.Lesley Logan 11:02  I know. Like, the warnings, like, please don't drink the things in the fridge today, everyone, please don't do it.Joy Hoover 11:07  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So. Lesley Logan 11:11  Okay, so, so many takeaways from this, because, like, one, it's easy for us to get stuck on, like, the component we don't know, you know, like the part of the thing we don't know. Two, your perseverance attract this guy down to get him to answer, like, okay, we gotta make sure you are, like, on every project of things that will change the world. And then three, I just wanna highlight the dates of things, 2022, that is three years ago that were, you know, like, how, like, this has been in your this has been part of, like, your creation. For how many years have you been working on this product? Because I think, like, by the time I see it, I'm like, oh, this is like, you know, last year or whatever, whenever you did the show. But that's not when you started it. That's not when the idea came. That's not when you started putting time, money, investments, you know, time away from your family.Joy Hoover 12:00  Absolutely. Yeah. So I, basically, I hired an attorney in and put on a credit card to put the first $10,000 on to apply for a patent for this idea on like October, like second and then October 27th which would have been my mother in law's 70th birthday. So we've kind of honored her by bringing 100 people into our backyard and basically showing them the world's ugliest PowerPoint to basically show that like, show the concept, the idea.Lesley Logan 12:31  Is this a 2020? Joy Hoover 12:32  This is 2021. Lesley Logan 12:33  Okay, okay, okay, yeah.Joy Hoover 12:35  Yep. And so, I mean, because we knew we would need money and we needed support to do this, like, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm person, I'm, I'm a big component of, like, of everything I do, I feel like, is hustle, yeah, but without the right resources and the, without the right community around you, hustle doesn't matter, right? And so I think that's an important thing is like, you have to know who's on your side. You have to know who's in your you know, who's in your back, you know, literal backyard? Yeah, we literally took all the furniture from our inside of our house, put it on the outside of our house, like, even our TV off the wall, and, like, did this whole thing, and basically said, we're gonna do this. Who can, who wants to support, who wants to invest? And right away, we raised, like, that night, we raised $25,000 and and all these people were like, please do this. Like, this is we need, we need this, right? Lesley Logan 13:27  And I think what, what's really cool about it, because when, you know when, when I got to see it, and everything we're talking about, like, all the different women who, you know, today, in a world where, like, you're not going to the office all the time, you are having meetings, real estate agents are meeting people at home alone, you know, like my, when I was a Pilates instructor, I rented space, and so a lot of people have this, like this misinformation of like, oh, if it's a brick and mortar, like, nothing bad's gonna happen to me. But I was gonna teach a guy at 5:30 in the morning, it's dark outside in L.A., no one is walking by this brick and mortar, you know, like, I'm aware of how the brick and mortar set up. I'm aware that there's staircases, like I'm aware of these things. And so I had this guy who wanted a session. I said, with all due respect, I'm gonna need your full name so that I can look you up, because I am going to meet you alone at 5:30 in the morning in Los Angeles. And to his credit, he was so cool about it. He goes, of course. He's like, I have a daughter. I would expect nothing. I would want her to do the same thing. He's like, here's my LinkedIn, here's all the things. And I could see, like, okay, he legitimately is someone who lives in New York, lives, I had all the things. So while he came in the door. I wasn't opening the door for a random dude. I was like, you know, so, like, I was really grateful, but I was thinking with this, it's like, oh, how nice, like, to just have the opportunity to know that you are taking care of yourself on another level of security so you can take actions you want to take. Like, I don't want any, I'm sure you don't want this for your kids. Like, I don't want any of my girlfriends to ever live in fear. I don't want them to make oh, I'm not going to go take that meeting, because I'm going to be alone, you know, like you. So I feel like this product is also just empowering women to actually be able to do more of the things they want to do. Joy Hoover 15:10  100% and that's really why we added the tech component. Because while testing your drink is great, what we started learning more and more, and I had my own experience with it, but I started kind of getting other women's experience who had experienced drink spiking, or, you know, felt like maybe something was off. And really, my question was, how quick could you have gotten out of there? You know that the statistics say around 13 minutes. These drugs metabolize in your system, and then you're, you're literally blacked out sometimes for 24 hours. And so what we, you know, started identifying was, how could they call for help immediately, sure they might probably have their phone on them, but could they, you know, open it up and, you know, make the call? Whereas with Esōes, we built a fully customized app that connects with the lipstick, so you can basically set it up to push it once, twice or three times, and it can do all different things, from sound a loud alarm to send a text or your location to even, you know, send an actual phone call, everything's all the messages and everything are customizable, but the final thing is to priority dispatch authorities to your location.And we know, because we know that calling 911, sometimes it's between life or death and you're put on hold. We experience it a lot with clients, right? And so we're like, we have to have something that's gonna no matter what, know their location immediately and priority dispatch, like, put their emergency at the top of the list. Which, by the way, saved our house, like, last year, which, like, is a whole other thing. But, that's right, right, literally, like my husband's on hold with 911, and I pushed the lipstick, and they have our location, and within like five minutes, two fire trucks come to the house, run in, find the find the fire, put it out and everything. And the captain comes out, and he's like, it's so good we came when we did. Had we come about 10 to 15 minutes later, we wouldn't even have been able to save the bones of your house (inaudible) so fast. Lesley Logan 17:01  I mean, I have an experience hold. I remember back in that time in L.A., so you guys, we live literally across straight from the Federal building. There was a strip of like, land between, like, the parking lot and the sidewalk. So, like, you know how, like, when you park a car, there's like, little cement things like, don't go any further with this car. So between that and the sidewalk, which means it's Federal property, so the homeless people are very smart guys. They're like, they're not like, so they put their tents there. The Federal people are not going to come kick the tents off, you know, and then the police can't touch them. But what has happened? What happened is someone threw a cigarette, it got on the mulch, and the mulch caught on fire. So Brad and I are driving home from yoga, and there's a fire like, you know, across the street from our house. And so I call 911 the fire department, you guys, is literally a block away. It's just one block north, one block north. I call 911, I, it says, call back later. The phone line is busy. I didn't get a hold called like, so I had a cup of coffee, and I was like, Brad, do you want your coffee? He's like, yeah, I want my coffee. So I threw my coffee on the fire. He finds a metal tray and is pulling the mulch onto the sidewalk so they can't keep catching fire. The fire department drives up and they go, excuse me, what are you doing? And we're like, we're putting the fire out. And they were like, like, kind of looking at us, like, like, we started the fire. And I was like, no, no, just do it. Just here doing your job, because I live across the street, you weren't answering. So, like, I do understand, like, it can be so frustrating, and obviously they're understaffed and they're underfunded, and that's all these different things, but, also, you know, like, I listen to a lot of different things, and if we knew locations, like, I keep my locations on so my husband knows where I am all the time. But, like, I'm married, what if you are single? What if you don't have that access? Or what if it is someone in your family that it's you have to have these options? And I think this is really, really cool, and I love that there's an app for it that allows people I recently was in I was I had have had some interesting Uber experiences where I have to go, excuse me, let me just call my husband let him know I'm coming home, because I don't want them to know I'm going home to an empty house. But I heard that this girl was like, said that on her Uber ride, she her Uber driver pulled a mask up over space and pressed a button, and the gas came in the car, and she had the forethought to just open the door and get out of the car, like, lucky it wasn't locked, right? And so now there's all these things, like, ladies make sure the window is cracked, make sure this all these freaking things we have to do. So we need a tool so that we can sit in an Uber and feel like, okay, like I have something to protect myself. I don't have to rely on, you know, someone seeing me from outside. Joy Hoover 19:47  Yep, absolutely. And interestingly enough, like, what the reason we did the location piece is because we had multiple clients who would literally call us. I still have text messages from like, one of them who was like. It showed me like, I'm tied to a bed. I don't know where I am, like, my trafficker will not let me leave. And I need help. I need someone. And I'm like, where are you? Like, I don't, I can't, like, just find you, you know? And like, there was so many situations where it was like we had the ability to go somewhere, but we didn't know where to go, yeah. And so we say, like, whether you want to just get out of a boring meeting, you can push the button and it can send, like, you know, your assistant or your staff member, like, oh, gotta go. Gotta get out of this meeting. But like, or if it's just one of those traumatic experiences, you know, like, I was talking about our product in a women's event last month, and this woman, this mother, stood up and she's crying, and she's like, your product saved my daughter's life. And I'm like, she's like, you know, she was out in Chicago, she was drinking like she felt off. She tested her drink, her dress was positive, but she was like, almost blacking out, pushed the button. Her best friend got her location and where she was, pulls up and, like, she's safe now. And I'm like, that is it, right? That's the story we want. I mean, we don't want there still to be someone to be drugged or someone to be harmed, but we want the this could have been a very different story.Lesley Logan 21:14  Yeah, well, and I'm, like you said, like, prevention, like the back to, going back to your story of the, I mean, like, so much of your family has gone through. But like, if we can prevent things, then you know it does, not only are lives safe, but then there's the rest of the life that is still saved. Like, there's all these different things. And so there you can't all we, obviously, we'd love to figure out, like, what is going on with people that are making these decisions to harm people. But like, we can't do that. And so, like, if we can sit we can save women from going through these things, or anyone who uses this product, by the way, because, like, you know what, you've got some beautiful lipsticks. I think anyone can use it. So I wonder, you know what, obviously, you're getting this product out. Like, what are you most excited about right now, and and how, like, how are people hearing about you? Because that's the other thing, right? Like, people are listening. I wanted to have you on for a few words. I want people to hear perseverance. I also just freaking I'm obsessed with how much you get community involved. Like, before I knew you, Joy, like you don't know this, like I saw you invest a coffee shop probably in 2021 because we would have been going out, and I saw you, and because I knew you from the nonprofit that I had seen videos on all this different stuff. And like you there, you always bring people in on the thing you're doing. And recently, I got an email or a text and was like, I'm doing this, and I need like, I'm like, this woman always brings a community in. So that's one of the reasons why I have you on the show, because I need people to hear like, that part of it. But like, what are you most excited about now and what's next for the product? Like, how are people hearing about it? Joy Hoover 22:51  Yeah, absolutely. So we, you know, we are relaunching now. Like, post fire. We kind of took all the feedback from our users and rebuilt. Now we're back in stock nine months later. And so April's a really exciting month. I know this is coming out a little bit after that, but we're, we're building this movement of like, you know, Swipe Red. The idea is, like, we see red flags, we call them out. I think one of the issues with women overall is that we don't listen to our guts. We feel like we gaslight ourselves, right? So it's like that we have this slogan. It's like, no more shame, no more doubt. We see red flags. We call them out, Right? And so it's this idea of this whole Swipe Red movement we have on our website where people can submit an experience they had to kind of say this, you know, be looking out for this. And we also have an area where, where people can submit a question, like, is this just the ick or is it a red flag that I need to watch out for in this kind of, you know, experience that I had, or this person is giving me this vibe, right? And so the whole point of Esōes is really like, we want to end the epidemic of gender-based violence. We're doing that in you know, fun ways with lipstick, you know, kind of, I mean, really, it's like a whole new way of redefining personal safety, essentially, right? But it doesn't stop there. We know that this is a community problem, so it needs community solutions. So we are training bars, nightclubs, restaurants, casinos, you know, universities educating on the nuances of violence. We teach all different components of that, and we show them, and they get our product, and we teach them how to use it. And so even if, like, you know, people that are closing a restaurant at night or a bar at night, if it's two in the morning in Vegas, like they have, you know, cash to put at the bank, or if they're just, you know, leaving by themselves, a lot of times, they then have our lipstick just to have on them, or to have, you know, emergency services on the phone just in case. So for us, it really is an overarching movement of women watching out for women. I mean, obviously men, we our test strips. We now have, you know, a key chain that can go on the on your, you know, keys, so you can have, like, test strips in there. And so we know it's not just a women problem, but we know it starts with women, because we know 93% of perpetrators are male, unfortunately. And so for us, it really is like the drunk girl bathroom energy component is if I'm in a space within, basically within 40 feet of where I am, if my lipstick goes off, essentially, if my app goes off, but I didn't push my lipstick, it could be someone else who pushed theirs. So anyone's phone can go off that has it in that space. And again, it's the idea of like, you might not need it, but someone around you might. And the whole thing is, like, it's just about prevention, right? No one wants to think, What if I get raped? What if I get drugged? What if something happens to me, right? I'm sure my mother-in-law wasn't thinking, what if my life ends today? You know, never did he go to jail, never did she say anything about domestic violence. But we know, we knew he was abusive, and so for 40 years, she lived in that and that's how she ended her life, right? And so for us, it's just, you never know. Abusers aren't like, hey, I'm an abuser, right? They are, they are slick, they are career criminals. They oftentimes look like, you know, the best person in society, and they're not. And then behind closed doors, it's hidden violence, and that is what we saw over and over and over. So it's just, what can we put in everyone's hands? And then how can we educate all of us on what to look for? Should we have to do this? Fuck no, we should not have to. Unfortunately, though, no one's coming for us, so we're coming for ourselves.Lesley Logan 26:43  Yeah, I mean, it's so true. Like, my mom was like, there's, like, a certain hand, if you see this hand, that people are doing that, like, that's a girl saying, I'm like, okay, hold on. Now, I gotta know the hand. Okay, I got it. And I will say, like, I've been to several restaurants where, like, in the bathroom, it's like, if you order this drink, we will get you out of the situation. And I am obsessed with that. I was like, I'm gonna drink here more because, like, I'm at least tell my girlfriends to come here because, like, you're keeping people safe, like they're the community is in small pieces coming together to combat something, and I think that's the only way it gets solved. But I really, I really do love the empowerment of what your tools are doing. And I also love how much feedback you are getting, so that you guys can just continue to make it better and make it more accessible, make it a key chain, versus all these different things that are, that are you're being told. And you know, nobody wants to like, here's the reason. Like this topic, the pod is called Be It Till You See It. Nobody wants to think about these things when they're thinking about achieving their goals. And yet, there are going to be situations where you need help, or someone around you does. And so I thought like, wow, okay, so maybe all the, maybe most of the women who listen to this are not at all needing something like this, but maybe they have a daughter who's about to go to college. Maybe they have a friend's kid, they have a niece, they have a new coworker who is going to go show homes like, how can we start gifting things to people that help support them on their journey and in their dreams of all the things they want to do so they're not they don't become a victim. We prevent it before it happens. Joy Hoover 28:17  Yeah, you know, we all carry phones, right? We carry a phone because we might need to call someone or, obviously, we, wherever most people work from it. But I think shifting the narrative, you know, the narrative from like, what if I have to call 911, to like, just to have it, just in case. It's like having a Band-Aid, having, you know, like we were literally driving down the road, like a couple weeks ago, and there was a kid walking barefoot on the side of the road. We tried calling 911, we got put on hold. We just pushed the lipstick, right, like, please, can someone come to this location? We're right here with him. Like, we're not sure if he's okay. We want to make sure. But, like, just, it's just that component of it. And I think, I think because the world we live in it, there is this kind of like, well, we shouldn't have to. And I agree with that. Like, the amount of feedback we get that anytime a post goes viral on TikTok, for us, it's two main things, thank you so much. Like, what are you like, you know, Aquafaba or something like, you know, all these, like, names of, you know, women that have done things. The second thing is, this is so sad. This is so sad that we need this. I'm like, It is so sad that we need it. And at the end of the day, I'm raising two daughters. I myself am my entire life's mission is to make sure that my daughters are not one in three. I've taken that. I don't want them to experience that, right? And so I think for all of us to realize that, like when we put tools in our hands, when we are educated, and also we say this to businesses, if you're going to serve alcohol, you need to have the responsibility to know what it looks like if someone is drugged, you're not going to know these people do it. They put it in Visine bottles for Christ's sake, like they know what they're doing. It's very easy. So we teach, you know, bars and restaurants and about, how does it look to de-escalate a situation? How does it look to believe a survivor? How does it look to actively get help? Because the second thing that happens when something happens to someone who's harmed is that you're not believed, right? That's why our color, we have a color called We Believe You. We have another color code, It's Not The Dress like we need to shift the culture. And that's part of the red flag piece is like, shift the shame from survivor to perpetrator. It is not our fault. Our test strips are called Trust Issues For a Reason, because we shouldn't, because we all have trust issues. It's not our fault for having those.Lesley Logan 30:41  No, we're not born with them like it's created. And I, I think it I agree, like, when I hear like we shouldn't have to do that, I fucking agree like we shouldn't have to go (inaudible). There's a lot of things right now that, like having to call my congressman daily and remind them of, like, what I fucking want them to do for me. You know, that's annoying. I don't want to do that anymore. I do miss a time when we didn't even know you're you didn't know your congressman, because they just did the job that they said they were gonna do. So I missed that, but also at the same time, like, if we don't do things where we can, you know, we can't do everything like I can't solve all of the problems in the world, but if we can all go, okay, I'm gonna, but I can, I, here's what I can do for my friends in my life. Here's what I can do for the family my life. Here's what I can do for my neighborhood. I do watch my neighbor's houses. Yes, the house across the street from us was empty for months. Do you think that we made sure everyone walking that house was supposed to be was supposed to be there? Yes, we did. Excuse me. Hi. Are you here for something? Do you contract her? Joy Hoover 31:50  Yep, I love it. Lesley Logan 31:48  No, I'm not the owner of this house, but I'm watching you. I'm watching got my camera on, watching you. Like that was the neighbors that we were, because that's the only way you keep your community healthy and safe. You know, we all have to look out for the other people around us. Joy Hoover 32:02  Yeah, and if we do that, we can prevent lifelong trauma, like, that's the thing that we you know, this prevention piece of it was missing from the work we were doing, because I'm like, these women will never be the same. They will never heal fully. You cannot. Like my, I don't know where my eight year old found this thing, but she did this thing. She came in my room and she's like, Mom, I want to show you something. Okay, she had a piece of paper, she crumbled it up, and then she's like, she was using it as, like, words. She's, she has this one girl at school that's not treating her well, and she's having a really hard time. She's like, I told this is what I told her. I was like, I scrunched this paper up and said, you know, you can say the mean words, and then I can open it up and try to, like, you know, smooth it out. But is it smooth? And I'm like, you said that to her, and she's like, I did. I did say that to her. I was like, oh, my God I love you so much. But that's the truth. It will never be smooth. Like, you're never not going to fear or feel the trauma that lives in your body once you experience it. Not only that, but the implications on the mental and physical health you know of a person. But it's also the economic impact. In Nevada, we have a one in two domestic violence rate in women not one in four. Like it's normal, it's one in two here. We also have one of the sickest things that we're known for here, is that since 1993 we have the highest rate of male partners killing their female partners in the nation. Now you mentioned, obviously trafficking and other things, and so I'm just like, this is my community. I've lived here for 15 years. I'm not, I don't want to be known for these things. I want to be known for a community that steps up for their community.Lesley Logan 33:48  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and it's, you know, it's one of the reasons that we actually, because I did not know those stats when I moved here, I don't know that it stopped me. But, like, I think it's an interesting thing, right? Like, when you look at that stuff, you can't unsee it. But one of the things that I love about this town is is the community of the locals who come together and they like, truly, like, one of the things I always say is, like, if I'm doing an event, people will freaking show up. And if they don't show up, they share, and if they can't share it, they like, they like, ask if I need any help with anything else. Like, there's just, there is that. And I think that's actually in a lot more cities. And I think if you're feeling lonely, you gotta go find the people who are trying to make change where it feels like that it's an uphill battle. Like, why would you do that? So find the people like Joy and and that because do you get to feel like you're part of something, and you get to be part of something, and then you're there's safety in it, you know, like people see my car and they are looking around for me like, that is one thing I know. Like every time I park my car, people are like, I get text messages, where are you? And I love that. I'm like, I like, I joke because we finally got an actual car. I was like, I do want to wrap it in a bright color. I want people to know. Be like, why would you want people know it's you and I'm like, because I want people looking out for me. I want people like, sure, a stalker could find me, whatever they could always find me and whatever car like, but I want the people in my neighborhood to go, oh, she's around somewhere, and be looking out for me, because I do that for them. Like, that's what I want, you know. So it's really cool. Okay, Joy, you are a woman who does a lot of things you never do one thing. Is there anything else you're excited about right now that we need to know about? Joy Hoover 35:22  Well, I'm, I'm in a class learning to run for politics right now. Lesley Logan 35:27  It's insane. Joy Hoover 35:29  It is absolutely insane. And so I've got, like, we, I graduate from the class in July. This class was built, actually built for Kamala when she was trying to run it for AG, and she needed a community of people to help, and so they built this kind of thing. And so it's me. I'm part of one of 20 women in this class, but my goal is, is to run for office. So I, you know, never wanted to. People always be like, you should run for office. I'm like, hell no. Like, I don't want to do politics, right? But if not us, then who? And like, again, like, my number one issue is women's safety, and I can't believe we've never had a politician who stood on violence against women in our town when we are known for these things I just said, right? So I'm, yeah, I'm, you know, raising money for training, and then finishing training and then just identifying what first, eventually, my goal is Congress, but I'll probably run a local race first to start doing some local Nevada stuff, seeing how we can get the community activated, and then start getting, you know, the nation activated, because Lord knows we need it.Lesley Logan 36:33  Yeah, I love that you're doing this. You're brave. I mean, you already knew that. But, like, I know people always ask me and Brad, like, are you guys gonna do politics? And I'm like, I would rather have enough money to just give to the right person to go into politics, because I, I think I get too angry. I get too angry, and I just not gonna come out, right? I'm not gonna win. I'm not gonna win any flies with honey. So, so, but I, but I do, I do agree. I can see, like, especially with going on. I'm like, okay, fuck there's just fucking no, who am I donating to? Like, what's going on? So like, at some point you know, and you have to. And then also, just, like in not just local, but there doesn't need to be someone who knows information like you, because the misinformation doesn't help anyone, and no one representing it doesn't help anyone. And also people just and also the really fact that matters, there's too many fucking men in politics who don't know a woman's experience, and they think, well, I was a good husband and I didn't hurt anyone. So, like, this doesn't really happen. And my sons don't like, they don't see it, you know. And so I think it's really, really great. So you guys watch this space. We'll see where Joy is. I would love to know, just make sure. Obviously, we'll vote, because we vote for everything so.Joy Hoover 37:37  Well, you know, the the other piece about women running is how much money it takes to run these races. It's like, for Assemblywoman or State Senate, it's like 200 grand to raise. For Congress, it's over 2 million. And so you look at, and also, by the way, those state, local, those pay like 9000 a year, so you're also working, so like, it minim, you know, it minimizes the amount of people who can run for these positions. And that actually.Lesley Logan 38:05  You can't have an actual hourly job. You have to have it, yeah, no, it's really, it's, it's really unfortunate. It's really the whole system's a disaster. But, you know, we need, we actually do need to fight for it, and we need to fight for it with people who actually are looking out for the community, you know, looking out for people. Yeah.Joy Hoover 38:27  We are the ones we've been waiting for. Like, if there's one thing that I feel like, I wake up every day realizing like, one is a discipline of hope, and two, like you are the person you need, right? It's like we, you know, you say that about like, your your inner child, your younger self, like you are the one who would make them proud, right? Make the world proud. Be that person that you're going like, I want this to change, because not everyone can do that, or, you know, even wants to do it, and that's okay too. I didn't for a long time, but I don't know. I guess I feel like the women's safety needs every component. And we can't just have a product, and we can't just have education, and we can't just have politics, and we can't just, right? We need a an overarching solution to truly see this epidemic change, and that what our family is committed to. Lesley Logan 39:13  Yeah. Ah, Joy. You're doing so many great things. We're take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Joy Hoover 39:22  Perfect. Lesley Logan 39:23  Okay, Joy. Where do they hang? Where do you hang out? Where do they get this amazing product I'm showing it if you're watching on the YouTube. Look at this cute thing. Look at this. Look at this. We got the lipstick.Joy Hoover 39:36  That's the local hand-painted too, by a local artist. We have two versions. We have that one and we have this one now.Lesley Logan 39:42  Oh my gosh, it's so fun. Oh my God. I love the art. I love the women on it. I love it. I love it. It's like, it's like, the best. And so we've got this is, this is really cute. It says Thirst Trap. And this is what you could put over your cup. I just think it's, I think the names are so cute. Yeah, it's like a, it's like a condom for your cup guys. And then the Trust Issue. These are the test strips. Joy Hoover 40:08  Yep, yes. Oh, and you haven't seen it yet, but we have, we'll have to bring him out front Lesley, because we have, we're launching Trustee, the bear, the mascot. This, this.Lesley Logan 40:22  Oh, my God, please, please, please, walk it through my driveway. Joy Hoover 40:25  He may just knock on your door at some point. You never know. Lesley Logan 40:28  I love it. I want to film it for a story. So you've got and there's all this information. So where do they go to Swipe Red to get to get all this stuff?Joy Hoover 40:36  Yeah, so it's Esōes, but it's not spelled S-O-S. It's spelled E-S-O-E-S, covert spelling, Esōes Cosmetics, you can find us on Tiktok, Instagram, Facebook, all the things. And then our website is esoescosmetics.com and yeah, we are on TikTok shop. We're online. We have it. We're gonna get back into a couple local stores here. But then our goal is obviously to keep expanding into larger retail because we want as many people as possible to have access to this. Lesley Logan 41:03  Yes, yes, and so and guys like, again, like, college is starting, there's a reason to buy this for any woman in your life. And so I really appreciate not having to get some another face mask. I really just. Joy Hoover 41:17  Right, yeah, for every, every high school graduate, like, imagine if they bring that to college, because also the first like, the Red Zone. It's called the Red Zone, which is basically like when you arrive in college to Christmas, is the highest amount of sexual and domestic violence that happens in the whole year. Lesley Logan 41:34  Whoa. Joy Hoover 41:35  Everyone that is new, especially new people on campus, need to be carrying something. Again, these are solvable issues. That's what we're here for.  Lesley Logan 41:42  Yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're all gonna get that. We're all gonna follow you. We're gonna go on a journey. We're gonna watch her rise in politics. We're gonna say we knew her when. You've given us a lot. And I wanna say, like, I love the like, swiping red on shame. I think that that is, like, something really important. I had a therapist who was like, I want to just caveat, like, my ex was not abusive, but she had said I ignored red flags of the relationship not working out on the first dates. And she said, you have to start practicing noticing red flags. I'm so grateful for that therapist, because I did. I went on a date with a guy. I was like, it feels really controlling. That's a real red flag to me, you know, like, so, like, just real. It was really great. So I love that. But I also want to say, like, if there's anything else, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Joy Hoover 42:32  Yeah, I would just say, one, hold space for yourself. You can't heal the world or do your dreams if you're not healing yourself first. So I would say that first, and then the second thing is, just try it, like, what's the worst that could happen? I think there's so many dreams that people have and these ideas and ambitions. I mean, I'm a hair stylist who invented this, like, tech, you know, tech and scientific component of a lipstick like and I always say, if I can do it, you can. But the only reason people that actually do things are because we just go, oh, I'm real scared, but I guess I'm just going to keep doing it anyways, right? So heal yourself so that that then you can step into what it is that you want to do. But give it a try.Lesley Logan 43:11  Yeah, yeah. Give it a try, you guys. I can't tell you how many times I hear that and I'm like, yeah, it gives like, it's like, it's a reminder we all need. And it is very true, like it is not selfish to take a pause on helping others to heal yourself, because you will be able to do so much more from that.Joy Hoover 43:29  It's not only not selfish, it's it is selfish of you not to heal first. I know that is a rude way to say that, but I just want to be very clear, if you are trying to heal yourself by healing other people, you will harm other people. You have to heal first. And if you don't, you will make you will, you will have best intentions, but impact over I mean, intent versus impact are very different. You may intend to do good, but if you are trying to heal you first, you gotta heal you first period. Lesley Logan 43:59  Yeah, I'm really glad you said that. It's very it's very true. And I tell people all the time that, like, self-care isn't selfish care. It's actually very selfish. And I say it for a different reason, because I have a different line of work, and I'm like, it is selfish of you to not take care of yourself and then become a dependent and liability to your young children. Sorry, it just is. So there's a whole different was, like, and this is a whole other way of thinking about it. But intent and impact are very different things. And so, everyone, you have the most full permission to go take care of you so that you can do things in your community and for others you want to. Joy Hoover, thank you so much. We must hang out again. And everyone, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 44:40  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 45:23  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 45:28  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 45:32  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 45:39  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 45:43  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this inspiring Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley Logan empowers you with seven assertive phrases you can use to stand up for yourself calmly and confidently. She highlights the difference between reacting emotionally and responding with strength and clarity. Plus, a teaching win from Jennifer Lapina and a personal reminder that joy lives in the hobbies we come back to. Let this episode inspire you to speak up, celebrate your progress, and give yourself permission to prioritize what matters most to you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to speak your truth without raising your voice.The power of using mat Pilates to build deeper client connections.Why revisiting old passions can reignite your joy.How hobbies like hiking can ground and reset your nervous system.Episode References/Links:@thealphawomenclub | Women Empowerment - https://www.instagram.com/p/DJcCzZUPbDt/Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi Be It babe, welcome back to the FYF episode, the Fuck Yeah Friday episode, the episode where we are inspired before we go into the weekend that we've been looking forward to. I hope for you. Also we share your wins. And the cool thing about that is that you get to one, inspire other people what a win is. Two, when I share your win, you might actually need a reminder that you had that win. I know I do. I'm filming these before we leave for tour, so I can't wait that while I'm on tour, and probably a little tired of driving and getting a little tired of living out of the van, because we're going on week three that I'll be reminded of a win. I had to be like, oh yeah, I did that. I'm amazing, right? You're amazing. We're all amazing because we're being it until we see it around here. Lesley Logan 1:27  So first share, something that inspired me on the internet that I think you need to know. So these are seven phrases to put someone in their place without raising your voice. So we'll put the link in the show notes so you can, like, save this for yourself as well. But I thought this is really great, because do you remember in You've Got Mail she's like, I just wish I knew the right thing to say the right time. And he's like, well, you have to, like, you know, remember that whatever you say, when you say what you're gonna say, you have to live with that. And it's like, yeah, but sometimes you have to put someone in their place, and you want to do it without raising your voice, because then you won't feel bad about it, correct? I know I won't. If I don't raise my voice, I could be, you know, like, I'm just giving someone candid information about how they're treating someone. So here's number one, you're not used to people holding you accountable. That's not my problem. Do this with a straight spine and a soft tone. There's like, actual little tips on these. So number one, you're not used to people holding you accountable. That's not my problem. So I love that, because some people don't like when we hold them accountable to things, and they get frustrated, and it's like, well, you get to be frustrated, like, sometimes we'd be the lesson people have to learn. All right, number two, you clearly thought I wouldn't respond. That was your first mistake. So I love this person at one, because they said, I don't argue, I clarify. So we're not in argument. I'm clarifying. You clearly thought I wouldn't respond. That was your first mistake. Number three, let's be honest, you weren't looking for a conversation. You were looking for control. Number four, I'm not here to match disrespect, I'm here to show you where it ends. Oh, so good. It says to read it again, one more time for you. I'm not here to match disrespect, I'm here to show you where it ends. Oh, can you imagine? Like, do you, like, picture the person who's like, being so disrespectful right now in your life, and just like, say, ah, practice it in your head, make sure you find a time to say it. All right, number five, you don't get to play the victim when you started the fire. Oh, that one's for the manipulated person in your life. You're you don't get to play the victim when you started the fire. Number six, keep the same energy when I stop responding completely. So, you know, someone who's probably acting confused or raising their voice or like doing this stuff, it's like, if you were really clear, then you can, you don't have to go back and forth with people. This is definitely for the narcissist in your life. Number seven, I don't raise my voice. I raise the standard, and now you know. So this is basically saying I meant what I said, and you just say it calmly. All right, so they also finish this up with saying power isn't about shouting, it's about making someone rethink everything they just said without you even flinching. So I think this is really important, because I wasn't really taught to, like, I wasn't really taught to talk back to people. And I think that was, it's fine. My parents were well intentioned. It's not like, a huge deal. But sometimes I like, I'm the person who, like, leaves the conversation like, oh, I should have said that. Oh, I should have said that. And so, like, I just wanted to give some phrases to you, in case you find yourself in a narcissistic, manipulated or working with a contractor or someone that you've hired to do a project in your home, and they try to make you feel like you're stupid. You are not stupid. They were not clear, or they, they misrepresented a timeline that they couldn't do. And so you know having phrases like this and others in your back pocket will help you continue to be in control of what you can control, right? And you can you can't control what people say or do or think about you, but you can stand up for yourself and demand the respect that you deserve. So anyways, hopefully those help let me know if you use any of them. Lesley Logan 4:55  Okay, this is a win from Jennifer Lapina. She's an eLevate grad. She said, just wanted to say how much I appreciate the Pilates system since eLevate, that's my mentorship program, guys, I have embraced incorporating mat exercises into my private lessons. Previously, I felt pressured to teach physical equipment per client expectation. Now, I always start newbies with mat and only pepper and springs and the fun stuff when I feel they're ready for the connection, always referring them to the shape and or feeling of doing X, Y, Z, as I've seen clients experience my new way of teaching, I can definitely see them progress and embody it quicker. And much to my surprise, if given the choice, most of my clients will choose to take it to the mat. Pilates so much more than mere exercise. I love seeing the satisfaction in their faces when they can finally do the thing that frustrated them for weeks or even months prior. I recently had a long term client master something, and I asked her, what made it click. She looked surprised and simply said that was the way I taught her. Grateful for the compliment. But honestly, it's not me. It's the system. It just works. Jennifer Lapina, I couldn't agree more. It's really something that I'm so grateful for, that I get to use the system that I that I I'm not having to make things up or take on something like Joe gave us this wonderful system, and I guess, I get to use it, and I get to use it for the client that's in front of me and what they need. And it means that there's not right and wrong or black and white, there's just like, what is right for you today, and that kind of practice, that's why I love Pilates so much, that kind of practice is something we get it in our minds, we get it in our bodies. We get in our clients bodies, you guys, and it helps you with other things you're doing in your life. What is right for me today? What does my body need? What a great practice you can have there. What a great way to honor yourself and listen to what your body is. So way to go. Jennifer, thank you for sharing, and congratulations on all you've done. Lesley Logan 6:50  Okay, so Brad and I started a hiking tradition, and I just want to share it with you, because we obviously don't are not in town every single day or every single weekend. In fact, we haven't been in town for a couple of weeks, but when we lived in L.A. we used to hike at least one time a month, maybe two. And depending on travel and we running shoes, was never like this, like the thing we had, like, we're professionals. And then we, you know, moved to Vegas, and we kind of got out of hiking because of the just the summer weather here, so we thought, and so we never really invested in the shoes. We also had dogs that couldn't really hike, but Bayon could, and we'd be on the road. We're like, oh, let's find, like, a hike or a trail, but like, we're kind of out of hiking shape, to be completely honest. And now that we have one dog, and we live in an area that we drive 30 minutes, it's like 20 degrees cooler or even more. And so we started going hiking. And we went to the store, got shoes for the dog, got shoes for ourselves, truly invested in this, like hobby. And I have to say, if you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you know I've been hobby hunting. I am loving that we're hiking again. Oh my God, I didn't need a new hobby. I need to return to another hobby I used to have, and I absolutely love it. And we can't hike at all the trails that are near us because of the heat, but when the fall comes, we're ready to hike those ones. And so it's quite cool being able to do that. And so you're like, how is this a win? The win is one we like said, let's do it. And then on, it was like, Memorial Day, it was like, oh, should we go hiking today? And like, of course, we could have been like, oh, we gotta clean the closets out. We gotta do these things, or 17 other things on our schedule to do. But instead, we're like, no, we said we wanna go hiking this weekend. It's the last day of the weekend. Let's go hiking. And we went, and it was absolutely so much fun. Until the next weekend, we went and got shoes and went straight to a hike. And on this tour, we've done several hikes, and I'm just really, I'm really excited to see where this goes. And so if you need a moral of the story, if you said you wanted to do something, give yourself permission to go do it. Right? Yes, you're busy. Yes, there's a million things you could be doing. But you know what? I haven't regarded a single hike we've done, and it's really fun to see the dog really enjoy it. He gets exercise. We get exercise. So a little bit of investment financially, and now it's just the time. And it's great. It's really fun. We also, if you listen to the last FYF, we are not really on our phones, you know, like, I have the trail map out so that I, like, know that we're going somewhere, but like, we're not checking email, we're not checking text, we're not we're like, we don't even listen to a podcast. We're just listening to the sounds of the of the nature, and it's really quite grounding. And in like a chaotic life, it's something that we need. So my win is pick back up hiking. And it took us five years taking this down, and I regret that we waited this long, but I'm super, super happy that we're doing it now. Lesley Logan 9:46  So, send your questions or your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. You can send in mini questions and mini wins. We can't wait to share them with people. Send this episode, or any of your favorite episodes to a friend who needs this help. The podcast grows because of you. And so the more listeners, the better guests we can get. So please share this with a friend who needs it, and you know what to do, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:46  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 10:50  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 10:54  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 10:59  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 11:05  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 11:09  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

#1 New York Times bestselling author, Jennifer Lynn Barnes, spoke to me about how to write seven novels in 18 months, the psychology of fiction and fandom, and her latest YA mystery, THE BROTHERS HAWTHORNE. Jennifer Lynn Barnes is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of more than 20 acclaimed young adult novels, including The Inheritance Games trilogy, Little White Lies, Deadly Little Scandals, The Lovely and the Lost, and The Naturals series. Her latest is The Brothers Hawthorne, described as “Knives Out-esque” by Publishers Weekly, it is a story of [two brothers] “Drawn into twisted games on opposite sides of the globe, [who] —with the help of their brothers and the girl who inherited their grandfather's fortune—must dig deep to decide who they want to be and what each of them will sacrifice to win.” Jen is a Fulbright Scholar with advanced degrees in psychology, psychiatry, and cognitive science including a Ph.D. from Yale University, and “...is one of the world's leading experts on the psychology of fandom and the cognitive science of fiction and the imagination.” [Discover ⁠The Writer Files Extra⁠: Get 'The Writer Files' Podcast Delivered Straight to Your Inbox at ⁠writerfiles.fm⁠] [If you're a fan of The Writer Files, please ⁠click FOLLOW to automatically see new interviews⁠. And drop us a rating or a review wherever you listen] In this file Jennifer Lynn Barnes and I discussed:  Her study of autism and why neurodivergents rely so heavily on story How her bestselling trilogy went viral on TikTok Why she writes for reluctant readers How to write mysteries with intricate puzzles, twists, turns, and reveals Her theories on why readers love fiction And a lot more! Show Notes: ⁠Jenniferlynnbarnes.com⁠ ⁠The psychology of fiction with Jennifer Lynn Barnes | Re:Thinking with Adam Grant⁠ - TED Audio Collective ⁠The Brothers Hawthorne⁠ By Jennifer Lynn Barnes (Amazon) ⁠Jennifer Lynn Barnes Amazon Author Page⁠ ⁠Jennifer Lynn Barnes on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelton Reid on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell recap the eye-opening interview with David Corbin, a bestselling author and TEDx speaker known for his concept of brand slaughter. Together, they explore how misaligned actions can quietly destroy trust, impact, and identity in both business and life. Tune in for practical strategies to stay aligned with your brand and lead with clarity and confidence.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The benefits of having a spine corrector and a ladder barrel.Why brand misalignment happens and how to spot it.The “face it, follow it, fix it” model for solving challenges.How to listen to what your business needs from you.The link between competence and confidence.Why self-awareness is crucial for growth and leadership.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourOPC Summer Tour Calgary - Opc.me/CalgaryUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://www.pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comTypes of Pilates Equipment for Home - https://youtu.be/5LNpMqqDwCgLesley's Equipment Discount Links - https://opc.me/perksSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsDavid Corbin's Website - https://www.davidcorbin.comDavid's TEDx Talk: Woodstock Wisdom - https://youtu.be/i8vK1yYct2U If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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They're like, I don't know what I want. You know that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on the person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right, so that, that creates brand slaughter. Lesley Logan 0:23  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:02  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intuitive convo I have with David Corbin in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that one, you should go listen to that one. It's really fun. It's hilarious.Brad Crowell 1:18  Fascinating conversation. Lesley Logan 1:19  The way it started is quite hilarious. Brad Crowell 1:21  The way it started he's talking about, when you, when you said, you know, who are you and what do you rock at? He said, well, you know, my, my late mother could never describe, you know, what I do for a living, and she thought I just laundered money as my job.Lesley Logan 1:37  But also, like, I forget, because in the episode, do we discover how he got on the show in the episode?Brad Crowell 1:44  No. Lesley Logan 1:45  No, okay.Brad Crowell 1:46  I came into the room afterwards. So for those of you who are wondering. Lesley Logan 1:48  Because I think we talked about it in the episode. Brad Crowell 1:48  Well, okay, okay, I'm actually going to share a little bit about that as we get further into this episode. So hang on. Stick around. We'll talk about how did we connect with David Corbin in the first place? Today. Lesley Logan 2:04  Is August 7th 2025 and today's days were not really aligned with the Be It pod message. So we're looking at tomorrow, August 8th, where it will be International Allyship Day. So International Allyship Day is celebrated annually on August 8th. This holiday dedicates the day to celebrating promoting the power of allyship across the globe. On this unique day, we come together to recognize the importance of standing up for one another, fostering inclusivity and building bridges of support and understanding. Dictionary.com defines allyship as a status or role of a person who advocates and actively works for the inclusion of a marginalized or politicized group in all areas of society, not as a member of that group, but in solidarity with its struggles and point of view and under its leadership. Genuine allyship does not come with special recognition. Do not get awards for confronting issues people have to live with every day. Everyday we should be thinking about this, because it's getting harder and harder for people to see other people as human and deserving, and being worthy of living and having a life that they can have access to health care and housing. And, you know, I just it's.Brad Crowell 3:17  I think, I think, I think we need to go one step higher than that. Lesley Logan 3:21  Okay, let's do it. Brad Crowell 3:22  When you have, when you have leaders in a position of power that are using derogatory language to anybody, towards anybody, it gives other people permission to hold that view. And what's happened in our society, in America right now, with the people who are in power is that they have no regard for anybody else, other than themselves, and so they're using language that is inflammatory and dangerous to be quite honest. Lesley Logan 3:50  Well, themselves and their donors. They do care about who (inaudible). Brad Crowell 3:54  I don't think they care about their donors. They only care about their donors' money. They don't care about anyone except for themselves. The that when they when you use inflammatory language, it creates division in our society, across the board, it creates fear. It also gives permission for people to hold judgmental views or give excuses for other people who are doing terrible things, right? And, you know, I don't, I don't think that everything was like, figured out 10 years ago either, you know, before we had a president who didn't give a shit. But I, but I, you know, in the sense that, like, maybe before, we were nice on the surface and racist underneath, you know, but, but, but now it's like, all out in the open, and people are openly, you know, the vitriol is killing me. It's just so frustrating because there's no, it's not that niceties are the right thing. There's no, there's no respect for human dignity, right? And so even though we disagree with other people, it doesn't change the fact that they are people. Right? Except now we are changing our perspectives on that, and we're alienating others. So, you know, whether that is, you know, a whether that's politically or, what did we say here, marginalized, politicized group or a member of society, right? So it could be political, you know, rhetoric, or it could be a marginalized part of society, you know, or it could be racism, or it could be another whole culture or another whole country, you know, it doesn't matter.Lesley Logan 5:32  Yeah, it's really, it's really, can be really frustrating. I had headaches. My, I was saying, we're sitting at a gym and I said, oh, I'm not getting stuff at Target. My dad goes, why? And I said, well, you know, they are not supportive of DEI and my dad goes, what's DEI? And I said, okay, well, explaining what DEI was and I said, you bought under DEI, you would be an older worker, which, it's harder to get a job. You are also a veteran. Like, like, that's DEI, making sure that you are treated with what you're like what we're supposed to be treated with like, that's part of it. Like, I'm DEI, I'm a female business owner. Now, do we have other privileges? Of course we do. But that doesn't mean that they're like what people, I think, don't understand is how, is how there are the people that they're thinking that they dislike, or that they're creating words around so they don't have to think that they're worthy so much of if they had the access and the rights, you would have better access and rights. You know that we're recording this right now, when the government is trying to get rid of Medicaid, and they have been lying to people, up and down all around that they're not getting rid of Medicaid, they're getting rid of it. And here's what happens, what that means is, if Medicaid doesn't exist, you think that just because you're on Medicaid, it won't affect you, it absolutely will, because your hospital usually runs off the funds of Medicaid, and so if the hospital doesn't have those funds, you might not have a hospital near you. So just because you're not on Medicaid doesn't mean you're not affected. And I think, like, why I like this day so much is like, we have to stop thinking that, because we're different than people, like, not only do they not matter, but like, like, it's not gonna affect us if nothing, if bad things happen to them. Everything is connected.Brad Crowell 7:07  Everything is connected. Lesley Logan 7:08  Everything is connected. Brad Crowell 7:13  Like, people are like, like, to put a very specific example on it, you know, with with the the abduction of farm workers that are happening in the fields. You know how you think that's not going to affect your food supply? It might not affect it today, but give it a couple of months, you know, like when, when ICE camps out and puts up a raid in, you know, in a community, guess who doesn't go to work? Anybody who is afraid. Anybody is afraid. Like they they arrested half the people at a meat packing plant, and the next day, it's not like the other half just decided to show up. No. Only 20% of the original workforce showed up for work the following day, because the rest of the people were like, What if they come and arrest me? Lesley Logan 7:58  Yeah. And so that means your meat is gonna be more expensive. It affects you. Brad Crowell 8:02  Affects us all. Lesley Logan 8:03  Everyone. And so, like, I, I really think that we need to take, I don't care what your religion is, or if you believe in religion at all, if we actually just follow, like, there that's a human fucking being, and they are worthy of living, and they should have dignity and respect, you know, and we would never want for them that to happen to them if it happened to us. Like, if you just look at that going, if you ever think, I'm glad that's not me, that is a sign that you are sitting in a bit more privilege, and you probably should just look at like, what can I do? We can't solve the world's problems. I'm not elected. You're not elected. If this fucking bill passes, we might not have elections. But like, we have to ask, What can I do? How can I change this? Can I be supportive of the people in my what's my bubble of influence? Right? And so not, I guess we'll get off our pedestal here in a second. But like, truly, part of being it till you see it, it will come to you if you love others, and you care about others, not people-pleasing, it's not overworking. It's none of that. It's just like, if you love others, if you love yourself, you can love others, and if you love others, like the world does change. And I think maybe what I'm really saying is like, what the fuck why don't people love themselves? Because if they love themselves, they'd see other people as human beings too. Brad Crowell 9:18  Yeah. Lesley Logan 9:20  We're still on tour, guys, I promise you, we're having a good time. In between the podcast on the news, I promise you, I promise you, we're hugging people. We're having a good time. Brad Crowell 9:33  Yeah, August 7th, that means that we are in Canada. We're actually probably in Kamloops today. Tomorrow, we got a day off. We're going to Banff. We're gonna be up by Lake Louise and seeing the beautiful lake up there. And then we're gonna go the next day to Calgary and teach, before coming back in to the US in Montana, where we're gonna go see the beauty of Glacier National Park. I've always wanted to see it. I'm so excited that we're gonna go up there. And then, yeah. We're gonna hit McCall Idaho on the way back home and teach.Lesley Logan 10:03  I tell you that my family, really, my family went to the tour, and they said, my aunt, my aunt, my auntie and uncle Mike, and they saw the tour, they saw we're in McCall, Idaho. And my uncle goes, you're gonna, you're gonna want to move there. And I was like, oh, like, a vacation home? He's like, no, like, you're gonna want to move there. And I'm like, I don't love the snow, so a vacation home. Got it. Noted. I'll save up.Brad Crowell 10:24  Well, I can't wait to see how beautiful it is.Lesley Logan 10:26  All this to say, like, come to McCall.Brad Crowell 10:28  Come to McCall, yeah, and then meet us in Salt Lake, and then we'll be back in Vegas. Lesley Logan 10:32  Oh, my God. What if people caravaned with us? You could do that.Brad Crowell 10:37  Yes, they could. I mean, we can have like like a roadie tour bus situation with, like, a band, going from show to show, it's possible. Lesley Logan 10:46  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What's that movie?Brad Crowell 10:48  Oh, I know which one you mean. Lesley Logan 10:50  It was glasses. Almost Famous. Brad Crowell 10:53  Yes, that's the one. That's the one. Lesley Logan 10:55  I want, I want someone in great coat to compete with me in my great coat. Anyways, so we'll be, we're still on tour. We hope to see you. We're gonna come back from tour, unpack. Brad Crowell 11:04  Oh, actually, there's still time if you want to participate in the tour, but you're not there, the Calgary stops. So in two days, there's gonna be a virtual, two virtual workshops that we're offering in Calgary. One of them is creating flows on the Tower and Cadillac, and the other one is your Thass® workshop. So come join us virtually, if you can't be there in person. Lesley Logan 11:24  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do that. Brad Crowell 11:25  Just go to opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan 11:27  Yes. And then after we get home, we unpack, we, you know, enjoy the last bits of summer in Las Vegas and we quickly, quickly cool off in the U.K. for our two city tour, the Mullet Tour, which is business workshops in the beginning, and Pilates workshops in the back of the the rest of the day, and some Pilates workouts. And you can go to opc.me/uk to see if there's any spots left. At the time we're recording this, there's a couple spots left in Leeds, and there's a couple spots left in Essex. We did open up some so like, you could just buy one workshop. So maybe if you can't do an entire day off, you want to come for just workshop, we did open that up in the Essex location. So go to opc.me/uk and then we come home and we get cozy for a couple weeks, yep, yep. And then. Brad Crowell 12:12  We're gonna, we're gonna be in P.O.T. in Chicago, by the way. Lesley Logan 12:15  Yes, we're doing P.O.T. Chicago. Brad Crowell 12:16  Yeah, P.O.T. Chicago beginning October. Lesley Logan 12:19  Actually, if you're hearing it right now, you can still get the early bird discount on P.O.T. Chicago. So if there are spots left, you can go, that's gonna be at Balanced Body site. I don't know the link, so just go to Balanced Body. Just Google P.O.T. Chicago 2025 it will come up. And I'm leaving the Joe's gyms, so their work, you get to come and work out, and I walk around and make sure that you're like, kicking ass. And from Chicago, we fly to San Francisco, from San Francisco to Singapore, Singapore to Cambodia. Cambodia, we lead our retreat. Brad Crowell 12:48  Oh, yeah. And in fact, at the end of the Cambodia trip, we may actually be teaching in Singapore. We're working that out right now.Lesley Logan 12:55  We're trying to, we're trying to do a thing in Singapore, and we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens, and then we're gonna come home and be home for like, a little over a month, and then we're back on tour again, but we'll tell you more about that later. So you want to go to crowsnestretreats.com if you want to be on a retreat with us, we're taking a very small group this year, and you really get to spend a whole week with us. Brad Crowell 13:16  Yeah, it's gonna be so fun. Lesley Logan 13:17  It's a lot of fun.Brad Crowell 13:18  It's amazing. It's a really good time. So go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Before we get into this convo you have with David Corbin, however, let's dig into this audience question that we had. I couldn't actually get the entire name of the person from the screenshot, so I'm pretty sure it was Rosie B something, something, numbers, numbers from YouTube asked, hi Lesley, I've heard you say that a spine corrector can be a good addition to your mat to your mat practice if you don't have space or the budget for the big equipment at your home. Can you, or have you talked about the different options for barrels or arcs? I did not realize that there were so many different choices, especially regarding the different options with angles and depths of the well. Great question. Lesley Logan 14:02  Yeah, I love this. We do have a video on, like, all the equipment, like, literally every piece of equipment. And I don't know if we did a video just on the barrels, but I know that we have, I know that our mastery and the basics on the barrels, you could hear a lot about barrels in that workshop that's on OPC, but let me just chat a little bit. So the spine corrector, if you could only buy one barrel, is the best one of the bunch, because you have two options for the extension on that one, and it allows you to do all the things you could do on a spine corrector. If you had a small barrel, that's nice if you have extra room. That and also it's really only for those who are have a tighter back or are a bit more fun sized, the smaller barrels for that. Brad Crowell 14:50  Yeah, we don't have a YouTube video. Lesley Logan 14:52  On just barrels. Brad Crowell 14:52  On just just. Lesley Logan 14:53  But there's that one video that has, like every single piece of equipment, it took us forever. We filmed every single piece. Brad Crowell 15:00  Yeah, so we've got a couple. One is called Pilates for Beginners: How to Choose the Right Equipment. We have.Lesley Logan 15:08  It's, it's another one. Anyways, I'll keep talking. It's another one. So it's, it's, why.Brad Crowell 15:14  Types of Pilates Equipment. Lesley Logan 15:16  Yes, that's the one. Brad Crowell 15:16  Pilates reformers, ladder, Pilates ladder, Tower and Guillotine. Lesley Logan 15:17  That's the one. Brad Crowell 15:17  I think a best Pilates equipment to improve your practice. That's reformer versus chair. Lesley Logan 15:27  No, this is really boring now. Brad Crowell 15:29  Yeah, good times. Anyway, just go onto our YouTube channel.Lesley Logan 15:31  Well, you didn't make it sound like it's easy to find. It exists and it literally is every single, we do a Reformer, a mat, we do the High Chair, we do the Cadillac, we do all the barrels. I explained each one, so, but my point is, if you can only buy one, get the Spine Corrector. If you're on the fun-sized, you can skip the Spine Corrector if you can only buy one thing and get the small barrel, but you will be limited a little bit. If you can get two things, and you're not so fun-sized or tight, then a Spine Correct and a Ladder Barrel, but a Ladder Barrel does take up space, and you specifically liked that I was saying that a Spine Corrector could help enhance your practice, your mat practice, if you don't have a lot of space. And the reason I say that is because you can do the arm series on there, the leg series on there, and then do your mat practice. Or you could do your mat practice and do your arm series and leg series. You could do swimming. You could do teaser. You could do a sported teaser. You're having a hard time getting your hips overhead. The Spine Corrector is really, really helpful for that. So I really do love that. And so I know I go into great detail about these things in our Mastering the Basics on the Barrels workshop on OPC, unfortunately, it's not free, but if you buy our Barrels Flashcards, just a little hint, there's a way to get that workshop on a discount (inaudible) barrels. And then I particularly like the Contrology brand because it is based off of the original pieces. And it's like they went through a lot of effort to get. Brad Crowell 16:44  To dig those up. Lesley Logan 16:45  To dig them up. And it's really amazing.Brad Crowell 16:46  Well, what you can actually do is go to opc.me/perks, opc.me/perks when you're on there, scroll down halfway, and you'll see a list of all the equipment that we recommend. And we actually have links to multiple arcs and barrels on that list that you know so you can go see the ones that Lesley did.Lesley Logan 16:47  The Contrology Spine Corrector is my ultimate favorite. Brad Crowell 17:10  Yeah, the Contrology is the one that we have at our house. But not everybody, you know, wants the bigger, heavier one. So we do have a couple of the arcs on there. Lesley Logan 17:19  Oh, well, we do have those and I will just say the reason I like a Contrology is actually do like the weight. The foam ones are great. If you are a studio teaching a class and you have to have a bunch of they're lightweight, they're easy to stack. But when you are doing your exercise, you have to put like little pads down. Oftentimes they slide around, or they could be too light, and they might move. And so I prefer the Contrology, and I know it's more than the East Coast arc and East Coast foam, and that's what everyone wants, but I'm just saying it's a little more comfortable to have a little little cushion. Anyways, you can send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions you can text us at 309055534, still haven't secured the number that we can say, Be It Pod, but we'll get we're working on it. We just discovered it 20 minutes ago when we recorded the last episode. So it's coming. It's coming. Send your wins in, send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions.Brad Crowell 18:10  Okay, welcome back now. Let's talk about Mr. David Corbin. David Corbin is a Wall Street Journal bestselling author of 14 books, a TEDx speaker and an award winning inventor in healthcare and wellness. And he's an ex, he describes himself as an ex-Woodstock attendee. Lesley Logan 18:29  I know, the original. Brad Crowell 18:30  He's also a father, grandfather and husband. He is known as the illuminator. David specializes in helping individuals and companies face it, follow it and fix it, transform challenges into opportunities, which is pretty amazing, actually. His work centers on taking ownership, accessing your inner wisdom and learning to tune into the you to achieve prosperity and fulfillment. Not included in our mini little bio that we wrote here is that David also, his inventor stuff. He created this thing called the Rejuvenation Station, and it's a box, okay? It's like a phone booth, but it's a little bit bigger, because you sit down inside of it, okay, but it's portable, and you can move it around. And you go in and you throw on some headphones, and you immerse yourself in another world for just a few minutes, right? Five to 10 minutes. There's like. Lesley Logan 19:19  I want one of these at the airport. Brad Crowell 19:22  Oh, it would be, I mean, where he, where he's been selling them into is hospitals for the staff. Lesley Logan 19:29  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 19:30  Because the staff never gets a moment to take a breather. And they could take five minutes and they come out and like he, he's, he said he's been able to measure their their stats before they go in and out of this thing. And he said, you know, where, where they're, you know, always in a high stress environment, this can help them with longevity of their job, of their enjoyment, of their life, of their of themselves. And actually, that's how I met him, when I was at an event, he had a booth, and he had the Rejuvenation Station there. And I just started, it was like, the end of the day, everyone was milling around or leaving, and I just started talking to him. And it was so, like, it was an easy conversation. Obviously, he's like, he's very, very intelligent. He's like, tells a lot of stories, a lot of fun to be around. And we started talking about his tool that he made, built and yeah, that's how we connected in the first place.Lesley Logan 20:21  It was, okay, and I think I said this on the pod, I usually pre-interview anyone who comes on. If I don't, it's because, like, we already know each other, we're friends, or I was on their pod and I liked them. You know what I mean? Like, it's very, it's, it's not often that, like, there's just someone on my calendar I've never, I know nothing about. And so I'm looking at like, the updates on his like file for the pod, and I see a business card, and I'm like, this looks like Brad's thumb. I think it's Brad's thumb. Who is this guy? And he didn't know you. He didn't remember.Brad Crowell 20:56  No, he didn't remember, he shouldn't have even known my name, but like, he might remember us talking, maybe if he saw my face but like, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:01  It was, it was hilarious, and it was so I think it was after all of it was said and done, the whole thing was done I hit, ended the record of the interview, and he and I are chatting, and Brad comes in, because I think it was laughing or whatever, and that's we discovered that you met him and like, you should be on our show. And he's like, okay.Brad Crowell 21:19  Yes. Lesley Logan 21:20  Anyways, I'm glad it worked out. I really liked a lot of things he had to say, I think this is an episode that there's a lot of nuggets. Brad Crowell 21:29  A lot of nuggets. Lesley Logan 21:31  A lot of nuggets. And he said, you can't solve everything you face, but you can't solve anything unless you face it. And of course, like, isn't that so good?Brad Crowell 21:40  It's so obvious. But like, when you say it, you're like, oh, I, am I avoiding things? It's great.Lesley Logan 21:46  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, he said, believes his secret sauce is being awake, aware, alert, and that kind of, like, I think that that, like, probably what led to his mindset around it helped others avoid when that's where he uses his model, face, it, follow it, fix it. You know. And so, and when you think about that in your in anything that you're doing, face it, follow it, fix it. And then it allows you to take more action. It allows you to stop avoiding things. It can be used in personal life and professional life. It can be used in a project that doesn't go well, or a conversation that didn't go well. I think it's just brilliant.Brad Crowell 22:19  Yeah, it's, it's clear and concise. It's something that you can remember. When he was talking about how he works with these companies, he said that you can apply this personally to yourself, or you can apply it to a team or organization or company, face it, follow it, fix it, you know, and, and he had a bunch of examples that I, you know, I thought were really helpful. And he talked about one that, one company that he consulted for, that rhymes with schmamanos, I think, is what he said. And, you know, he said, you know, as they started to dig in, they started to realize that they're not a pizza company, they're a crisis management company. And he said, it all came down to how they answer the phone and what they recommend, and when they, when they, when they faced the problem they had, and they followed it, they started figuring out, then they fixed it, and that was a fix. And it's funny, because, you know, we tell that all the time, like, you are, you know, you're not, quote- unquote, just a Pilates teacher, you know, end quote, you're that's not enough. You know, that's like, people, first off, don't know what Pilates is. Second off, they.Lesley Logan 23:23  Not anymore. They used to, I used to think there would be a day when they know what it is, and now, no.Brad Crowell 23:27  I mean that, that aside, that's not the point. They have their preconceived notion of what Pilates is, okay? And so if you just say, oh, I'm a Pilates teacher, then you're trusting that they know what that actually means, right? As opposed to having a clear response of like, oh, I help such and such type of people do these things you know in their life through Pilates, now they're like, wow, I didn't know Pilates could help people like that, you know, and that and you described me. I want that for me, right? And so when you start to face it, follow it, fix it, you might actually have a whole new view on what it is that you do. You know, I thought that was pretty cool. Lesley Logan 23:27  I agree. I loved it. Brad Crowell 24:01  Yeah, one of the things that I really like, first off, he's very quippy, because he writes books, right? So he's got 14 books. So every book, you know, he tries to make a short, concise, punchy, right, memorable. And so, like, that's the kind of guy that, when you get him on a topic, and especially if he knows a lot about the topic, because he did a whole lot of research to write that book, you know, you're going to get these kinds of things. So one of his books he talks about, his Brand Slaughter. And I just started laughing, because, like, what a visual, right? You're slaughtering your brand, you know, but, but he talks about just simply actions that you're doing that are create, that are contradicting what you intended, or like they're they're not bringing around about the desired results and and you know, same thing, like you can apply the concept of brand slaughter to the what I was just talking about where they're answering the phone, and instead of the response being, oh, well, what kind of pizza do you want? They're like, I don't I don't know what I want. Instead of that, you know, that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on this person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right? So that that creates brand slaughter, as opposed to being suggestive and saying, oh, well, for people in your situation where it's chaos and you just need a decision right now, you should go with option number two. And then they get to say, that sounds great, because they just need help. What's option number two? And you can sell and, by the way, if you need this extra stuff, you can upsell them all that kind of a thing, right? So it's, he said, you're either living your brand or you're committing brand slaughter. You know. He said, when individuals or companies allow their brand or reputation be undermined or, quote-unquote, killed by actions or behaviors that do not align with their desired image. And, you know, he said he actually has all these acronyms and all this stuff. And he and he, like, he like, flipped through them, and I didn't even follow them at all. And you laughingly said, I've A.D.D. so I don't know what you just said, because I was stuck on the first one, but he said he created a following, the following flow, to teach companies and people how to maintain their own identity. IDB with the ABI to the SBI divided by the MBV. I don't remember, but basically he said, you take your intended brand descriptors, which is how you want to be described, and then you audit the brand integrity you're assessing if you are living up to your intended brand descriptor. So if this is what you say you're doing, are you actually doing it, right? So, and then the second, the third step is review your strategic brand initiative or SBI. So these are the actions taken to close the gap between your intentions and your actions, right? And then finally, you have, when you do those three steps, you're creating massive brand value, right? The result of consistently applying those three steps. So he said, everything you do is either living into how you want to be described, or it's not.Lesley Logan 27:14  Just like that. Brad Crowell 27:15  Just like that, we just solved it. Lesley Logan 27:17  Yep, and now sometimes we just need to hear like, not sugar coated in that way, you know.Brad Crowell 27:22  Yeah, fascinating. I mean. And he knows his stuff so well that he just like, bam, bam, bam, bam. Lesley Logan 27:27  I know he really did. And I was just like, come on. I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, hold on. I'm still over here. What is that? And then acronyms are really hard for me to like, remember all of them? It's just like, not. Brad Crowell 27:38  I know, even the ones I just read, if I didn't have them in front of me, I'd be like, what?Lesley Logan 27:41  Yeah, no, I, and to be honest, also running in the back of my mind with my ADHD, was like, who is this man? I mean that, like, I loved the whole interview but the whole time I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? Why is he?Brad Crowell 28:00  I love that. I think that's so fun. Also, too, like, from when I met him to when the interview finally happened was months, like, six months more, I don't know, like, so, like, I read his name, and I was like, I know him but I can't remember.Lesley Logan 28:12  You met him, you went to, you went to that event, like, a year ago, it was summer of last year, and then I interviewed him like beginning of this year. So, it's definitely six months.Brad Crowell 28:16  So it was more than six months later. Yeah and fascinating. Well, anyway, stick around. We got a little bit more to dig into from David Corbin, so we'll be right back with those Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 28:36  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items from David Corbin, we've got bold executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with him. David shared a metaphor, a metaphorical exercise he introduced during his TEDx talk using imaginary LSD, which I think is hilarious, because the whole time he's talking groovy and talking about being a hippie and going to Woodstock, and he's like, yeah, I didn't save he told everyone in the TEDx, 500 people, he's like, I saved y'all some LSD from when I went to Woodstock, which, who knows when that even was.Lesley Logan 29:07  It's like the 60s babe. Brad Crowell 29:09  Right, well, because they also had a new one in the 90s. So I'm assuming he was talking about the 60s. Lesley Logan 29:17  The 60s. The 90s was burnt down to the ground. Brad Crowell 29:20  It doesn't change the fact he could have been there. But he said, he said, he said, you're going to take this imaginary LSD, and I don't know what he passed out, but he actually passed something out. So people, literally, I'm pretty sure they took something. Lesley Logan 29:22  It's like a little piece. I thought it's like a little piece of paper, isn't LSD, like a little paper? Brad Crowell 29:23  Like a tab, could be, I'm sure it comes in different forms. But anyway, he said you're going to, here's what's going to happen when you take this imaginary LSD, you're going to imagine that your business can talk back to you.Lesley Logan 29:44  Oh, because when you're on LSD.Brad Crowell 29:47  Yeah, things can happen. He said, so here's what you're going to ask your businessLesley Logan 29:50  We clearly have not done LSD, we have no idea what we're talking about. Brad Crowell 29:51  He said, ask your business. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? So he said, make two lists, job functions and character traits. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, then get naked of ego. He actually said, just says, get naked, but not with your clothes off. That's, he said, that's the easy part. He said the hard part is get naked of your ego and rate yourself on a scale of one to 10 across those what do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, identify the gaps and take actions to close them. So.Lesley Logan 29:54  Okay, LSD, definitely can like, be a little piece of paper or like a stamp. Brad Crowell 30:23  Oh, can be like a stamp. Lesley Logan 30:28  Yes, I do remember, like, during the day or years of like, be careful. Like someone gives you, like, a little sticker, it can stick on your tongue and dissolve. It can be in a pill form. I am seeing this, but it, like, a lot of it is like sheets of, like, wild colors and like, like, oh, do you remember the elephants in Winnie, the Pooh, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, yeah, the Heffalumps. I think they're called. They were kind of like spooky and weird. I think Winnie the Pooh is on LSD. Brad Crowell 31:03  Oh, yeah, you're right, Heffalump. Lesley Logan 31:05  Heffalumps. Brad Crowell 31:05  Heffalump. Lesley Logan 31:06  Heffalumps. Yeah. Looking at this, maybe he was on, maybe he took LSD in my cartoon. You know, they always sort of like supplementally, anyways, we are off topic. Brad Crowell 31:15  Well, okay, David Corbin did his TEDx Talk called Woodstock Wisdom in January of 2023, so you're welcome to go watch it. I'm sure it's a trip. Maybe pun intended, but he but he said when you can do this, when you can compare, when you can let go of your ego, and you can actually take rate yourself and then be able to take action on that you you can no longer complain about market conditions and competition. You take control of the differences, the distances, and you close those gaps that your business told you you need to close. He said, as you do, you increase your competence, which brings up your confidence, which brings up your competence, which brings up your confidence. And it's a cycle, you know. What about you? What about you? Lesley Logan 31:55  Okay, this is really fun, because he says he doesn't journal. And I was like, yeah, because I always tell people, like, don't journal, but we have the people who've said to journal since episode like 50 have done a really good job, because I tell them, you better tell us fucking journal. But he said he meditates. And I was like, okay, like, because I have a hard time meditating. And he said, so he shared his process. He said, you sit down with a piece of paper and you write an issue or question at the top. So piece of paper, issue or question at the top, you set your timer for 22 minutes, and then, while we're in a meditative state with a question at the top, you write with your eyes closed. And this allows the download of insights to come through from your unconscious mind and universal consciousness on to the paper. And so the goal is you dwell upon the question and you let your intuition provide answers. So because you can't see it, you can't self-edit. He must have great handwriting. Brad Crowell 32:52  No, I'm sure he's writing over top of his own stuff. It really doesn't matter. You can literally write in the same spot, right, because the point of it is not for you to go back and read it later. The point of it is to get it out of your head. Lesley Logan 33:04  Yeah. So he, well, it's kind of like Morning Pages, but with your eyes closed. So he said, the answer to everything you got is already within you. Don't tune into YouTube. Tune in to you. It's another quip. I just I was like, this is so much fun. This is a great interview. Who is he? Tune into you. You know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. And I just if you, if you really haven't listened to it, you've got to listen to it. I'm telling you I joke that I'm like, who is this guy? But, like, he's a bit like a 14 books, a great TEDx Talk.Brad Crowell 33:36  Fascinating. It's a really great conversation. It's fun to meet him in person.Lesley Logan 33:40  Even if you buy nothing out of his stuff. Like, if you just, like, listen over and over again to like the things he's saying you're you're going to, like, change your life. Because if you just think about, like, am I in alignment with my brand or am I curating brand slaughter or am I like, what if you could solve your problems with just writing it down and then writing it over the top with your eyes closed? I think this is really cool. Lesley Logan 34:01  So, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 34:02  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 34:03  Thank you so much for listening to our pod. It really means the world to us. I know I say it all the time, but it's really, really true. Your reviews are like currency, so leave them and share this podcast with a friend who needs to hear it. Share your favorite episode so our listenership can continue to grow. If everyone around you is being it until you see it that makes it so much easier for you to be it till you see it. So until next time. Bye, for now. Oh, you're not going to finish my sentence. I set you up. Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell 34:29  Until next time. Brad Crowell 34:31  Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell 34:33  Bye, for now. Brad Crowell 34:34  Bye.Lesley Logan 34:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. 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