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Lesley Logan sits down with Jon Ostenson, author of Non-Food Franchising and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, to explore why franchising—especially beyond the food industry—is one of the most underutilized yet powerful paths to entrepreneurship. Jon shares how franchising gives you proven systems, built-in marketing, and a peer network, while also revealing what green flags (and red flags) to look for when evaluating opportunities. You'll walk away seeing franchising in a whole new light—with clarity and confidence.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why franchising can be a faster, safer path to business ownership.The surprising industries thriving in non-food franchising.How semi-passive franchise models allow people to day jobs while building a business.The real numbers behind startup costs, royalties, and profit potential.Green flags and red flags to watch when evaluating franchise opportunities.Episode References/Links:FranBridge Consulting - https://franbridgeconsulting.com/Jon Ostenson on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/Jon Ostenson on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JonOstenson1/Jon Ostenson on Twitter - https://twitter.com/Jon_OstensonJon Ostenson on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@JonOstensonFBCBook: Non-Food Franchising by Jon Ostenson - https://a.co/d/29XayrQGuest Bio:Jon Ostenson is the Founder and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, which ranked 584th on the Inc. 5000 list as one of the fastest-growing companies in America. A former corporate executive and past President of ShelfGenie, Jon has sat on all sides of the franchising table—as franchisor, multi-brand franchisee, and now trusted advisor. Widely recognized as a leading voice in non-food franchising, he has helped thousands of entrepreneurs and investors explore opportunities across industries such as home services, wellness, senior care, and pet care. Jon is also the bestselling author of Non-Food Franchising, a practical guide for building wealth and business ownership without starting from scratch. Through FranBridge, he connects clients with over 600 vetted franchise brands and provides strategic, hands-on support at no cost to the client—helping them step confidently into semi-passive investments or full-time business ownership. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial that want to put their thumbprints all over a business. And you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership.Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe. I have a topic we have never touched. I'm so jazzed about this, I actually found it really, really fascinating. And this year is like my year of being curious and understanding more and more about businesses as our business continues to grow. And so when I met Jon Ostenson, I have so much more knowledge, so much more understanding, so much more excitement and inspiration. And I really wanted to bring this to you, because I know how many of you are like, wanting to make other income, wanting to make more income, one of the questions I get all the time is like, how do I make passive income? How do I have another income stream? I know that managing your money in stocks can be overwhelming, and so I wanted to bring a whole topic to you that I think could be really, really fascinating. So Jon Ostenson is the author of Non-Food Franchising. His company is FranBridge Consulting and so we're gonna talk about franchises. And if you're like, oh, this could be so boring, I promise you, it's anything but boring. It's quite fascinating. Even if you never go into this, you'll actually like, look at franchises and different businesses in a whole different light. And I found it to be really eye opening. And I feel like a lot of my friends should be doing this, and I don't know, maybe, maybe I'll create a portfolio and do this too, but I now have so much more understanding, and I'm really excited for you to have that, because to be it till you see it in anything, the first thing we need is have answers and understanding and also some curiosity in a topic we might not have known anything about. So if you've been wanting to start a business, maybe instead of starting something new, you actually want to franchise and so here is Jon Ostenson. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, I'm really excited. I've read the book by our guest today, and this is a really interesting topic we have never talked about, and I've always been slightly interested in, and now I'm even more intrigued. So Jon Ostenson is our guest today. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at that's so unique, so niche and so wonderfully that we need to talk about it? Jon Ostenson 2:40  Yeah, absolutely, no. Jon Ostenson, here in Atlanta, Georgia, I've got three young kids I chase around on a daily basis, but you know, I spend most of my time helping my clients find the right businesses for them. And so, you know, we work with over 600 different franchise brands, and what I call Non-Food Franchising. So it's all these industries outside of fast food that incorporate franchising. And yeah, it's entirely free to work with us, and I get to help our clients navigate, what are the top opportunities given their background, their interest, what they're looking to do? What are those top available opportunities in their market that can be a fit for them?Lesley Logan 3:11  I so I really, this is, like, really interesting, because first of all, of course, growing up, I only knew like, food franchisers, and I'm just not into cleaning a kitchen. So, like, that was, you know, different. And then also, like, in my industry, there are now, like, franchises in in the Pilates world, but there's always been franchises in the fitness world. And I guess, like, I guess where we could start is, like, wait, why would someone do a franchise versus, like, start their own non-food business, you know, like, what, what would be like, the things that they're thinking about? Because one of the reasons I want to have you on is, we have had a lot of coaches who are entrepreneurial. And I also think, like, not everyone is an entrepreneur, but also I don't want to, like, tell people that, like, I think they need to figure that out for themselves. So why would someone franchise versus start something themselves?Jon Ostenson 3:59  Yeah, great question. And you know, franchising is not right for everyone. I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial, that want to put their thumbprints all over a business, and you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership. You know, you've got a lot of things already in place. You've got a proven business model that's been successful in other markets. You've got a coach on the sidelines in that franchisor that's supporting you and their team. You've got other franchisees that are living the same thing day in, day out, in their markets. You're constantly exchanging best practices. You're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And, you know, being able to step into a business where on day one, the marketing is pretty close to optimized because they know how to run, you know, and the franchisor is doing a lot of that for you. You've got efficiencies and supply chain, and there's just a lot of opportunity that franchising opens up. And what I tell our clients is, hey, you may double down and triple down on franchises and build a whole empire of franchises. A lot of our clients do, or you may decide, hey, after franchising, let's go start my own business. I guarantee you that next business is going to be better for having had that franchise experience and understanding, how do you stand up a business, what are the best practices in the processes that go around it? Lesley Logan 5:09  Yeah, I mean, like, I think that's really cool, because I remember, you know, when I wanted to, first of all, when I became a Pilates instructor, I never thought I'd own a studio, because I worked at a I rented from a studio, and I saw how much stress she was under, and then I worked for a company, high end fitness business, and I got to run a studio for them. And I was like, oh, this is so nice, just to have everyone tell me the budgets, and tell me how much people are getting paid and and do all the do all the math, and then I can just do the thing that I really love. And so in a way, that's kind of like what you're saying, like a franchise is a proven like, it's a business that's already been in existence. It's proven, like, who they're for, what they do, how they market. And so you get to kind of hit the ground already running, in some ways, am I right?Jon Ostenson 5:53  Yeah, you start on third base instead of first. You're not having to test everything now, in exchange, you're paying a royalty back to the franchise or right? And franchising is just like everything. Not every company is created the same. Every industry has got good players. You've got ones that aren't as strong. That's where we come in to help our clients really identify the companies that are providing the most value, that can get them to where they want to be.Lesley Logan 6:13  Yeah. So I guess, then I guess maybe I should have started with, what is a franchise. Maybe I should have started there. And then also, if you can talk about, like, do, do companies that are franchises, they have already been in business before they're selling off businesses, or they they start out that way, like, do you get it on the ground level? Jon Ostenson 6:34  Yeah, well, hopefully they've already proven out the model, at least in one location, if not in multiple locations, you know. And they're well capitalized, they've got a team to support franchisees, but no franchising at its roots, you know, it's really three things. That's, it's a shared brand, we all know that. But then it's, you know, that there's a system, and there's guidance, and there's value being provided from a home office to that franchisee, to that location. The franchisees give me some sort of payment back in the form of a royalty, typically, to that franchisor. So it's really those three things. So there are companies out there that are probably operating as franchises that may not have franchise, but technically, that's what a franchise is. And again, when I say the F word franchise, people think fast food. I mean, that's what comes to mind. But there's so many different industries out there outside of food, and I've got nothing against the food guys. We need them. We support them. But again, there are easier ways to make money that may require less employees, less operating hours, that may carry higher margins because you don't have the food waste, they may be less susceptible to consumer whims. I always say that frozen yogurt was big until it wasn't. Most of our clients are liking opportunities that aren't trendy. They're not going out of style, and they'll always be mainstream.Lesley Logan 7:46  Yeah. Can we talk about like, what are like some of the, what are some of the non-food franchise like, either if you want to name names, or if you want to name like areas of business? Because maybe it would help people to hear like, there, there's actually franchises in an industry they already have experience in. Jon Ostenson 8:01  Yeah, you know. And I'd say 90% of our clients get into something in an industry they don't have experience in. And that's the beauty of franchising, is it allows for those pivots, but you take the transferable skill set. So yeah, examples there, we're seeing a lot of interest, I'd say in the general theme, it's businesses that will do well regardless of the economy, regardless of tariffs, regardless of, you know, other exterior factors. And so it's things that people will always spend money on. So home and property services are a huge area. Health and wellness. McKinsey just came out with a study saying it's now a $480 billion a year industry in the US, growing at 10% so health, you know, wellness, is now mainstream, which I know you would agree with it's categories like kids, pets, seniors again, things that people will always spend money on regardless. And you know, within these there's so many different niches. I mean, I can just, you know, I'm thinking of in-home senior care. We have a lot of clients doing that, but then I've had clients that have been placed there that came back said hey Jon, what's a tangential opportunity that can tag onto this, and I introduced them to one that provides wheelchair ramps and stair lifts and retrofitting within a home, allowing people to age in place. Youth soccer, I've had so many clients do well in youth soccer, tutoring, kids-related, pets, everything from pet grooming to pet boarding to dog training, you know, but. Lesley Logan 9:19  That's crazy, because I would never have thought those things. And also, like, I because we travel around the world. We were talking about that before we hit record, I find myself, like, like, in shock. Sometimes I see a business and I'm like, like, how much did they need to get started? You know? Because, like, what I love about like, like, one of the things that kept me from starting my own studio is, like, just the barrier of entry. I didn't know how to read a lease, I didn't know what kind of insurance I needed to have outside of what the insurance I had as a renter. I didn't know that. And then I had to, like, buy all the equipment, and then it's like, oh, like, literally, my clients came the first like, where's the trash can? I was like, oh, yeah, we need a trash can. Like, you know, you know, right? Like, I was like, I was like, flying by the seat of my pants. But like, what you're saying is, like, I, if I was like, I need a change in my life, or I actually just want to have something that's working alongside what I'm already doing, I can go into another industry, and then they already have the blueprint. So, like, I already know how much it's going to cost me to go all in. I know how much it's going to cost me to run it, and I also have an idea, in theory, at least as I learned this from your book of, like, what I could make off of this investment, which is a little different than stock market, like you think. I mean, we all hope it's going up right now, we're riding a different wave. But, like, but like, you know, so am I right when I say, like, there's like, a nice blueprint there that kind of allows you to know more about what you don't know? Jon Ostenson 10:43  Absolutely. No, you go in and you know, nothing's ever a sure thing, right? I never want to pretend like it is. Business ownership is hard. It takes work. If it was easy, everybody would be a business owner. But franchising does make it a lot easier and a lot more predictable, right? I mean, that's why banks love providing SBA loans to franchises over startups, right? It's just more predictable, and the success rates are obviously a lot higher all the data shows, you know, but I'd say, going in, you know, there's a whole exploration process, and that's where we take our clients through, hold their hand as they're having these conversations with their franchises. You know, learning a lot, asking good questions. They, they get a chance to talk to other franchisees in that system before they ever buy. You know, they get kind of the inside knowledge. They get a franchise disclosure document, which is the history of the franchise and all the information. And to your point, the financials on the all in investment. And you know, there's going to be some variability in there, but it outlines that, and then talks about the historical financial results, what you could expect to make if you execute according to plan. And so you know, you can make disproportionate returns on your investment. Again, because you're, you're putting effort in, right? If it was just thrown in an index fund, you know, you're not going to be able to make, you're going to be capped at what you can make. However, with this, you also get the tax benefit. So it's really a, I call it the trifecta. You're, you're building towards cash returns. You're obviously building an asset that's going to have exit value down the road, and in all likelihood, you'll sell to another franchisee in the system. That's very common. And then third, you get the tax benefits of business ownership. And if you have a W2 job or spouse with a W2 I mean, this could be a great offset. I mean, there's so many levers that the government set up the tax playbook to incentivize business ownership.Lesley Logan 12:19  Yeah, well, one of the reasons why we love being a business owner, I definitely enjoy those. I want to, like, just kind of tap into something, because you talked about, like, being a W2. So realistically, how many people do you know, like, have a job and then have a franchise that's successful? Like, are they overworking? Are they 120-hour work week kind of person? Or, like, is that a normal thing that people can do?Jon Ostenson 12:43  Roughly half of our clients start out with a manager in place. It's what franchising would call semi passive or semi absentee or executive model. I always want to say hey, stop. You know, let's not sugarcoat this. It takes work to stand up a business. You know. I don't want to ever pretend like it doesn't so, you know, it is very doable within a franchise system, because you've got a franchisor and their team supporting that manager that you put in place on a day to day basis, they can answer a lot of the questions and kind of hold their hand. So it takes some of the burden off of you. So much of it your ramp up time and success comes down to who you put in that place. You can have a great vehicle, you still have to have a great driver, so someone that has fire in the belly that you incentivize. You know that's a hard worker. They can make your life very easy, but if it's not the right person, you can find yourself with some headaches and leaning in. So I'd say that is the biggest variable that I see. But I've got so many success stories of clients that have gone that path. I should always want to make sure that they go in eyes wide open, that in the early going especially, it will take work.Lesley Logan 13:43  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I think that's really important. Okay, let's just take, take a step back, Jon, how did you get into doing this? Like, did you, did you always know, like, you would be in franchises? Like, did you fall into franchises? Like, tell us the journey that got you here. Jon Ostenson 13:56  Yeah. You know, like so many of your listeners, I spent many years in the corporate world, and you went to grad school and did all the things you're supposed to do as a W2 and had a great run. But, you know, had that desire, like so many, to be a business owner and to do something more entrepreneurial, and didn't know what it what it looked like. And I really fell into franchising. So about eight years ago, I left the corporate world, assumed the reins of a business called Shelf Genie, which is a large franchise system. I served as their president, supporting our home office and all of our franchisees, and I really fell in love with the franchise model through that experience. And I just saw how so many different backgrounds got involved in a shared system because of the support that we were providing. So long story short, I partnered with the founder of that company. We spun off. We've invested in franchises ourselves. I've continued to invest in franchises on my on my own outside of that, so I've been a franchisor. I am a multi brand franchisee as well, and started the consulting practice about little over six years ago, and now I give it most of my full time focus, and just love helping others connect the dots, because I just hear the same conversations every day. So many people, oftentimes midlife, they're saying gosh, you know, I've looked around. And they all know some business owners, and they see them out playing golf or, you know, going to their kids activities. And they say, there's a little bit of FOMO, right? And, but they say, I don't have that genius idea. I'm a little risk averse. I don't know where to start. That's where I come in and say hey, look at all these other people that have done done this through franchising with similar backgrounds, and here's why it worked for them. So absolutely love helping them. I personally, on the franchisee front, this just shows a little bit of the variety out there. I kind of like home and property services personally. So I've got one business that works on parking lots. It provides asphalt paving and line striping, you know, non sexy need based industry, right? I've got another one, is almost like an equipment rental business. It provides temporary walls like containment walls around renovation projects and construction sites. It's a great B2B business. I've got one that this is kind of more in the health and wellness genre. It's uses 3D printing to provide custom inserts and insoles for shoes, right? It talked about a niche, right? But we cater a little bit to the older population. So I've got it down in Delray, Florida, which is a great market. I've got another one where I'm on the franchisor side, I'm invested that provides custom pull out shelving for your kitchens and pantries and stay at home moms are great for that business. They're great designers. They can work when they want to and go in and be very conversational, and it's just cool that, you know, we're creating a lot of jobs out there and helping a lot of communities.Lesley Logan 16:28  Okay, that is so all of those things, I would not have thought that, like, those are franchises. I guess I just thought, like, some guy in Las Vegas, like, start a business, like, putting fences, you know, and then it's like, but then I do see like, oh, it's a company. And then you're like, how, like, how, who got into, like, having a business in every city that has, like, fences. But now that I'm like, you know, now that the wall been pulled over my eyes, I can under, away from my eyes, I can see like, oh, these are companies that got started, and then they had success, and then they basically created a blueprint that they could sell to other people, and then that's how they spread their wings, because they've got good systems in place. And then people like you, or people like listening are like, Oh, I could do that. I actually, like, I have the funds for that. I like that area, or, you know, I can have the time for that. I just wouldn't have thought that those are those. There's things out there. And I was reading your book, one of the things that we all have to realize is, like, there's a massive population of people who are getting older, and there is not enough like services for them, and so like to be able to get into a franchise that is like servicing those people that they for a necessity they need. It's kind of nice, I guess. I have a question, how much of what you have to do as a franchisee, as far as the marketing goes, like, are you curating the marketing? Does the franchise or that's the parent company, right, like the owner, do they come up with a marketing strategy and you just, like, put it out there. Like, I guess I'm wondering, like, how much of it do you be creative? Because I have a lot of people like, I want to do this, but I hate social media, or I hate writing a newsletter, or I hate doing the the money and the taxes, like, how much does the actual franchisor do for you? Jon Ostenson 18:06  Yeah, it certainly varies, but I'd say in most cases, the franchisor leans in pretty heavy on the marketing side, and that's one of the value adds they're bringing. So they're creating collateral and brand standards and customizing things for you for your location. But you know, typically they have an in house marketing team. They may partner with an outside digital marketing firm that's running all your Google ads and social media ads and such. Oftentimes, they encourage you to get involved on the organic side of social media. So it's, hey, I've got a home show coming up. Hey, look at this great job. We just got a five star review. But again, if you need help with that, most of them are able to lean in pretty heavy, because I do have a lot of clients like you said that they hey, I don't want anything to do with marketing or lead generation. And I, you know, in some cases you have franchises that have national accounts. I mean, that's a great lead generator. In some cases, they have an in house call center that's actually sometimes making outbound calls, or, at a minimum, taking inbound calls, setting appointments for you. So, you know, as you go through the expiration process, you want to say, what, what value is that franchisor providing for the royalty that I'm giving them? And, you know, make sure that there's tangible things that they're doing for you, oftentimes on the marketing side as an example.Lesley Logan 19:11  Yeah, okay, you talked about royalties, I guess, for the person who doesn't understand what that means. What is that? And then what are we what can someone expect on like, maybe not like the best end, but like an average, an average earnings.Jon Ostenson 19:26  Yeah, so I'd say six to 8% royalty typically is common in revenue, and when you look at financial projections of a franchise system, they're always going to net out for that royalty, right? I mean, that's part of the business model. But again, those are oftentimes expenses that you would be paying on your own elsewhere. From an earnings standpoint, well, first off, from an investment standpoint, I mean, we have some clients who are getting into big seven figure deals, but most people like when you look at service-based businesses and you're all in investment, your franchise fee, startup costs, several months of working capital, oftentimes you're in the 150,000 to 300,000 range, all in. And some of our clients are using cash, most like the idea of using an SBA loan, where maybe they put in 50,000 cash and then they use an SBA loan for the balance. Some are using an old 401-K from a previous employer, and rolling that over, which is very doable through what's called the ROBS program. So we help them with all of that. But from an earnings standpoint, it definitely varies. You always want people to take a conservative approach. There are businesses that will start cash flowing as early as three months in. Oftentimes, what you see is maybe six months, six to 12 months, somewhere in that range. Again, we always want to be conservative, but no you can make disproportionate returns. So let's say your all in investment was 200,000 from their businesses out there, where you can conceivably do a million dollars for first year. I mean, there are a good number of those. And oftentimes you're kicking off 15 to 20% to the bottom line. So call it 150 to the bottom line. And you may not get that in year one, but that may be your run rate at the end of year one. So 150 on an investment of 200,000 that's 75%, and then you're doing, you're doing that every year, and you're going to sell that business down the road. So again, but you're putting effort in, right? Lesley Logan 21:01  Right, well, well, and it's like, like, I'm just, like, just forever. I, when I opened up my studio, which was a small studio, I, no, my bank did not give me a loan. I've been in business for so many years, like, look, I make, I make over six figures, and I just want, like, a $40,000 loan. And they like, laughed in my face, so I used a credit card. But it was, the investment was like, $40,000 in equipment, all I had to do, and then obviously my rent and everything. And of course, yes, I, because it was on a credit card, I paid that shit off. But, but like you do only have to, ideally, only buy that equipment one time, right? So there's that. But to to your point, like the money that or time I had to spend on marketing my business, on coming up with the marketing, on testing it out, on doing all that stuff, on also collaborating, also doing the organic, also all that stuff, it starts to go sometimes you're like, it would be nice if someone could take this off. And even if you're like, oh, let's all just hire an agency. Y'all, I have talked to marketing agencies. They are not just 6% like some like, you know, when you think about, like, the marketing agency and the account and the organization and the hiring practices and the onboarding, all that stuff costs money, and so sometimes it's kind of like, it's almost like it's 50% it's 50 one way, 50% one way, half it does another. It's kind of like, if you really want to make your own thing and be your own thing, then go do your own thing, and you'll have all the same expenses. But I can't believe, and I don't know, I can't believe it that an SBA loan would be easier to get if you're in a franchise. But it makes sense, because there's a proven track record from all the other businesses, and the SBA is like, oh, this is like, very risk free. It took us a pandemic to get an SBA loan because they were just giving them away. And then recently, a lovely bank helped us get an SBA loan. But, like, it's not easy when you work for yourself and a non proven kind of a thing to get loans. So it sounds really cool that that would be an option for people. Jon Ostenson 22:51  Yeah, and probably two thirds of our clients use them. We really don't have issues getting them. As long as you have semi decent credit, then you know, they have that confidence in the franchise.Lesley Logan 23:00  That's so cool. That is really cool. Okay, so I guess you know there's, there's probably people going, oh my gosh. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm not confident as a business owner. Do you have to have, like, would you suggest, like, you have to have some sort of management experience, or do you have people who, like, do the franchisers like, support you in leading a team and how to lead the business that you're doing. Or, like, are you having to figure that yourself? Jon Ostenson 23:26  Yeah, there are some franchises where you really don't have to have a team. You know, you can be kind of a solopreneur in a way, or maybe have an assistant. Most of them do involve people. And people always ask me, what, what does it take to be successful in franchising? And really, it's two things. It's one, you're good with people. You don't have to be great, but you have to be someone that people want to work with, work for work. So that's just Business 101, and then secondly, your willingness to follow a system, where I see people get in trouble in franchising is that they come in and they think they're the smartest guy in the room, and they don't have the humility to actually learn from others and to follow a system, even if they have questions. When I was at Shelf Genie, our best franchisees were the ones that followed the system the closest. That sounds so cliche, but it's true. Lesley Logan 24:04  I mean, just being in business myself for 15 years, like, how, like, there are some days I'm like, I just wish there was a fucking blueprint that I could just wake up, follow, like, there's days and I'm like, so I can't imagine, like, not only take advantage of that, but I guess, like, maybe that would be the person who wouldn't be right for franchising, and maybe they shouldn't have gotten into it in the first place.Jon Ostenson 24:29  Yeah, no, I've seen clients do very well within a franchise system, and then, you know, I had a client that didn't do well in it, and the feedback from the franchisor was said, what's going on? Why is it working for them and not for them. You said, we've coached them, we've done everything we can, but they're not willing to follow the system. (inaudible) But certainly, if you have any business experience that you know, those transferable skill sets definitely help and maybe give you a leg up. But I've got plenty of clients, you know, doctors or a big client, mainly clientele of ours, most of them don't have business experience. They may be really, they're like, smart and smarter than their little niche but they don't have that business experience. They love the idea of, they know how to learn, and they're willing to learn, and they're willing to follow the playbook the textbook. Instead, they come in and they say, Hey, we want to flex that intellectual muscle. And most of them are keeping the day job. You know, they've invested too much to walk away from that. But they put a manager in place, and they go out and run a restoration business, or a mobile pet grooming business, something that allows them to flex that intellectual curiosity a little bit.Lesley Logan 25:29  That is so cool. I just think it's so cool, like I was, I never thought about, I'll be really nice, I actually never thought about owning a franchise. I have been wondering and been very curious of like, what if I wanted to open up something that I made into a franchise like that has been on my mind a lot lately, but the more I read your book, the more I'm like, what a cool investment strategy. Like, you know, just to diversify how you're investing for retirement and wealth, and, like, generational wealth. I don't have any kids, but like, it would be cool to have have have another way of having an income stream or or a way of growing wealth without having to, not that it's not work, but also just not rely solely on, like, what my wealth manager is doing with my stocks.Jon Ostenson 26:13  Oh, because so many of our clients do have kids or family members that they plan on bringing in on the business over time and kind of setting an example for them to learn from as well, and of taking a risk, if you will, a calculated risk. But now from an investment standpoint, I'm an all of the above investor. I invest in real estate and energy and the public markets and private credit. I encourage people to do all that. I just think the business ownership can have a unique place in that portfolio, and there's a whole lot of tax benefits and other synergies to come from that. So I'm not against any of those other investments. I just think it's an all of the above approach. And a lot of our clients invest in real estate too, some more actively than others, but there's a lot of synergy between those two, I think, from a mindset standpoint, from a tax advantage standpoint, and then directly from an industry standpoint, a lot of these businesses support real estate.Lesley Logan 27:00  What are some, like, green flags about a franchise, or some red flags, like, what are some things that we would like? You'd be like, oh, this looks really this looks really good. I think a client would do really well with this. And then what are some like, ooh, maybe, maybe watch this one, or don't, don't sign up for that.Jon Ostenson 27:16  You know, certain the brand is more important in certain industries. I mean, certainly, food, hotels, things like that. You know, but in a lot of industries, I think about insulation, that's a $50 billion a year industry, no one can name an installation company, right? And so that's less important. But still, some of these industries, you know, if it's a household name brand, then it's probably sold out in all the good areas of your market, right? And so oftentimes, we find ourselves working with more emerging franchises. You know, they may have five locations, 25 locations, 50 locations. Yes, they haven't been around forever, but they're growing fast. And really, the what I look for there, it's the competitive advantages, it's the financial models got to be very robust, because you have a smaller sample size to look at. You've, you know, the early franchisees have to be saying positive things about their experience. But then a lot of emphasis I put on those companies is the leadership team. I want to see a good blend of industry experience, but also franchise experience represented on that team that's essentially going to be your business partner. So I would say that the people involved on the other end, I can't underestimate that enough. That's something I emphasize with our clients. Let's vet them. Those are the ones that you want to have a good relationship with that are going to be supporting you day in, day out. You know. I would also say, you know, make sure that, if it's an early stage franchise, make sure it's well capitalized. You know, they've got plenty of assets in the bank. I have seen companies, at times, rush into franchising thinking it was their gold mine and they needed to have a pot of gold going in, because it's expensive to franchise, but no, private equity loves franchising, you know, they they invest strategically at the franchisor level very oftentimes, just they love the model and kind of these industries that they play in. There's a lot of smart money getting involved. But I always encourage people, you know, and that's why we set up our exploration process the way we did. And, you know, I'm essentially a real estate broker buffer franchises, and so I help our clients understand what's going on behind the scenes, how to think about this, the questions to ask, provide them with a lot of resources, and then we simply get a referral fee from the franchise brand on the back end when a placement happens, like a real estate model, you've got the seller, and none of that's passed on (inaudible).Lesley Logan 29:17  So that's why you're free. Because, like, I couldn't believe it. I was reading the book, and I was like, because to me, you know, one of the one of the big hurdles for a lot of people is like hiring a coach to help them make the best decisions. You have to have the money for that and hope that it works, but to work with you, you know, it's just free for for the person wanting to work with you. So like, you get paid because the franchise company pays you like a real estate so, got it. Jon Ostenson 29:40  For them, it's a sales and marketing expense. None of that's passed on to our clients at all. So you know, whether they go directly to a brand or go through us, they're paying the same franchise fee. So it's a nice, it's really a great model, and, yeah, we're able to help a lot of people through it. Lesley Logan 29:58  That is so cool. Yeah. I mean, so you did this six years ago. Okay, so you started right before everything shut down. Like, can we just go back? Was it, what was the be it till you see it, or what would, like, the things you had to do? Because, like, my goodness, during that time, a lot of franchises could be open. A lot of franchises had, like, limitations. Did you worry that, like, this was going to all, like, be affected negatively. Like, did you see the light at the end of the tunnel? Tell me about it. Jon Ostenson 30:25  Yeah, you know, just like everything, we're all questioning what's going on there for a few weeks, but then as soon as the dust settled, I mean, the franchise deals started happening again, and people started jumping back in. They said, I want something that I can be in control of, and I really don't want to go back to the office. I really, you know, a lot of people took time to think about what they wanted to be until they saw, you know, and they said, you know, that's the time a lot of introspection, which led to a lot of people saying, maybe now's the time. If I don't jump now, when am I ever going to do it? So, you know, there's a lag effect. Some of those late adopters I'm still having calls with now. They're like, I've been thinking about this for years, and most of them are realizing there's never a perfect time to jump into business ownership. But, you know, good number of them realize, hey, now's as good of a time as ever, as ever. And yeah, for me, you know, I love what I do. I've had teams in the past of, you know, 50 employees, and you know, I can do that, but that's not what I love doing. What I love doing is working with clients. I love strategy. I love seeing business models being out there at the tip of the spear, and so I've really structured my business now. I had that vision early on that, hey, I'm going to play to my strengths and how I want to spend my time, and that's what I've built. So yeah, love our model and how I get to help people and engage with clients all day.Lesley Logan 31:35  Yeah, so in that because, like, we talked to a lot of people get really passionate. And I think what, especially when I work with studio owners, like, sometimes their passion becomes like a prison because they like, stop taking care of themselves to like, do their passion like, how do you prioritize yourself so that you can have the mindset and the wherewithal to help the people that you like to help?Jon Ostenson 31:54  Yeah, I'm probably one of the more intentional people that you'll meet in that regard. You know, I think through things in the area of five domains, you know, faith, family and relationships, but then also finances, fitness and franchising. So my 5F framework, if you will, you know, but I'm constantly evaluating and balancing, you know, how my day is spent in each of those so, you know, work out on the fitness side. You know, the trainer a couple times a week, and got my infrared sauna and cold plunge and red light and all that here in the office. And, you know, coach my kids teams, you know, teach their Sunday school. You know, try to balance everything and very blessed, very thankful for what I get to do, and that allows me to do the other things I want to do. And I will say I'm the hardest boss I've ever had. You know, business ownership isn't easy. I work myself hard, but there's so much flexibility, and I'm just thankful. I pinch myself every day having had a W2 job for many years, I could, can never imagine doing that again.Lesley Logan 32:48  Yeah, I understand that. Okay, this is a really, like personal story we had. Our health insurance company is contracted with another company. Maybe it's a franchise that, like, comes to your house to, like, do, like, your physical, which is, like, just the meetup, just the heart, the lungs, just the blood pressure, and then, like, talk to you about, like, what doctors you want to see this year. And the whole time I was like, this feels like a scam. Are you casing the joint? Like, what are? What are? I'm like, I feel like this, this is too good to be true. And then they left and my husband are just like, let's just pretend it's not a scam. How lucky are we that we could set aside the time in the middle of a workday at our home to, like, take care of our health, and then, like, go back to doing the things we love everyday. Working for yourself is, like, the hardest thing, even if you work for yourself, for your own franchise, like they're running a business is, you know, there's only so many days where there's not an obstacle. You're like, what the fuck just happened there? But when you are realizing it's all part of the plan that you set out, like when you actually got what you wanted, it is worth pinching yourself. So I love that. Thank you for sharing that. And I also we second y'all red lights, cold plunges like, work out, move your body. It makes running your business, whatever that is, so much easier.Jon Ostenson 34:07  Absolutely, absolutely, no, fully agree. Lesley Logan 34:09  What are you most excited about right now? And like, it can be like in the franchise world, or it can be in like, in your business. Like, what are you most excited about right now? Jon Ostenson 34:16  Yeah, you know, I I practice what I preach, and I love just trying new things and then bringing them to my clients. So for me, I've got my consulting practice, and then I've got all these franchises and other investments in a holding company, and I'm just, this is the nerd side of me. I'm just realizing all these different tax plays and alternative investments and how they can work together, and I'm bringing in the best of the best advisors, and, you know, really trying to level up. That was my theme last year, was level up. I'm like, am I with the best bank out there? Am I with the best concierge doctor? Am I with the best financial advisor? I identified 25 different areas, and this took time by one by one, leveled up in each of those. And said, if I'm not working with best in class, why not? And so I'm just thinking through that lens, and I think it's helping our clients to just kind of say, you know, let's get off the sidelines. Let's just forget the status quo. Like, how do we level up and get better? And you know, whether it be personally or those that we work with in every area.Lesley Logan 35:11  That's so cool. Thank you for sharing that. Because I, I think it's really easy to just keep doing the same thing, and you're like, well, this works and this works. And like, going back to that the bank that gave us SBA loan, I told my husband, I was like, well, why aren't we working with that bank? Like, why is that is not our bank? Because our bank certainly didn't help us. So why are we not with that bank? And it was like, one tiny thing, and I'm like, can we figure out a way around that one time? This seems so stupid. I want to work with a bank that's going to give me money whenever I want it. That's why, why I have a bank. It's not like they're getting interest. I'm not making any money off them. So I so I find, like, it's, it's effort to go through and figure out what that is. And then there's that change, which most people don't like, but then it's like, but then you have, like, the best of the best. So, you know, I think that's really cool.Jon Ostenson 36:01  Yeah, absolutely, you know, unfortunately, I've got the best wife, so I'm not up leveling there.Lesley Logan 36:06  That's good to know. That's good to know. Shout out to her. Okay, is there anything I didn't ask you, because this is a new topic for me, so I really want to make sure that, like, we covered all the bases that you think we needed to. Is there anything to ask you about franchising and getting into it that you want to share with us today. Jon Ostenson 36:22  Yeah, you know, I think we really hit a lot of the hot topics. You know, we're seeing more interest than we've ever seen. I think, for a variety of reasons, our biggest challenge is not lead flow, it's, it's, you know, just the opportunities. They move so fast in good markets. So I would encourage people, if anyone has an interest in exploring, there's no downside, there's no cost. I just hear testimonial after testimonial of franchising wasn't on my radar. I was looking at existing businesses. And actually, that's a good topic. A lot of our clients say hey, we've been looking for an existing business. Here's what I hear. We've been looking for four years, five years, six years. We've been under LOI, letter of intent for five companies, six companies, due diligence didn't shake out someone else outbid us. We uncovered this. And due diligence over and over again, and then they come around to franchising. They say, wait a minute, I can get into franchising without having to pay the premium of an existing business, without having to have the risk of change in ownership. I mean, you're going to lose some key employees. That just happens when you have a change in ownership. And there's so many people out there looking because you have all these talking heads on social media saying, hey, buy a business and then build it. It's like, what was the franchise system? Buy a proven model, but put your thumbprints on it from day one, and build the culture the way you want it. So I'd say that was one thing I wanted to add that just came to mind.Lesley Logan 37:36  I'm glad you brought that up, because we first, like, I work with a lot of business owners who are like, I want to sell my studio. They want to sell their business. And I'm always like, okay, well, what can we sell? Because if you are the main person, not much to sell, babe. So we have to, like, do all this work to make the business sellable. And, and I was like, and I really wish that someone had told you have to think about the exit in mind. Because you have to think about the exit in mind when you start anything everyone, but I do think that there's a lot of people in, oh, I'll just buy this one because I've seen how good it is. I like going there. And so we have this, like, almost like, attachment, but it's true, like, even if people like you, they might still leave, because people don't like change.Jon Ostenson 38:17  Yeah, and you paid a premium thinking nothing was going to change, right? So, you know, that's one of the things I love about franchising, too, is that exit in mind when you start in the beginning again, most franchises, you're not going to find many good franchise resales out there on the market, because any opportunity that's worth buying is going to be bought by another franchisee in that system, that internal M and A, as I call it, mergers and acquisitions, where franchisees buy each other's businesses, which allows for exits and allows others to expand. That's so, so common. I've got so many clients have done, I've personally done it just again, when you think about the end in mind.Lesley Logan 38:52  Yeah, okay, we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can work with you, do a call with you and see if this is what's in it for them. Lesley Logan 39:02  All right, Jon, how do people like, it's free, so they could just, like, chat with you and just see if, like, this is a good idea for them, right? Like, that's how they can work with you. How do they find you?Jon Ostenson 39:10  Yeah, come out to our website, franbridgeconsulting.com F-R-A-N bridge consulting dot com you know, share your email address. I'll send you a free digital copy of our book, Non-Food Franchising, which is a great primer to kind of get the juices flowing and help you connect the dots on franchising. And yeah, more than happy to jump on a call, just to indicate that interest when we reach out to you, and we'll jump on a 20-25, minute call, and I can give you some thoughts and get to know you a little bit better, and we can go from there. So again, entirely free to work with us. Certainly if you want to follow on LinkedIn, I put out content most days on LinkedIn. So that could be another place to find me. Lesley Logan 39:42  Oh, that's cool. LinkedIn a place that I keep saying I'm going to start printing thumbprint on. And I go in there and I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. So maybe in a maybe in a future year. You guys, I did read the book. I'm telling you, it was an it's a great read, and it really helped. It will. I think if it's for you, you'll know by reading the book, and if it's not for you, you'll know by reading the book. And I think that that's really cool. And also I just really, one of the things I'm really intentional about is like we have so many listeners, and I really want people to have I think freedom to make decisions is one of the most important ways you can be it till you see it. And having an, a way of making an income that works for you is one of the best things I could give to you guys as listeners. So thank you so much for being here. Before I let you go, Jon, you've given us so much already, but we love to give our listeners some bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Jon Ostenson 40:35  Yeah, you know, I would say, here's a quote, activity breeds activity, and it's the idea. I've just seen this play out in my career, in my life. Whenever I get off the couch, off the sidelines, I start moving towards Option A or Option B. That's when option C comes out of left field. And so I think good things happen when you're in motion. That idea of activity breeding other activity. Oftentimes you don't know what's coming, but you stay active, it comes.Lesley Logan 40:55  So good. It's so good. It kind of like, ladies, my Pilates lovers, it's like a body in motion stays in motion, like it's like that, but also like we had someone else say, like, I'm, everything is everything. And when you never know what, going out and talking to someone could turn into, my husband talks to everyone at every party, and I I'm so thankful for him, because I can talk to like, five people at a party, and then I'm like, okay, that's good. I'm good. Like, but he and, you know what, we've needed some of those people. He's like, oh, there's this guy I talked to at this place and, like, so, and you just never know what those connections are. So that's a great Be It Action Item. Thank you so much, Jon. Jon Ostenson, everyone. You can get his book, go to franbridgeconsulting.com. Perfect. Go there. We'll have the link in the show notes. And, you know, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. If you had a friend who's like, I need something different, I need to change. I need a new job, like this might be the exact thing they need. And then you get to be part of that. How cool is that? So thank you, Jon. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 0:48  Welcome Be It Pod squad. It is September 5th, Friday. It's Fuck Yeah Friday, and I'm, obviously, Brad here, stepping in for Lesley for the first part of this episode. She's gonna take over the second half of this episode here, where we're bringing your wins, and she's going to celebrate a win, but we're going to start today off a little bit differently with an affirmation, in a way that I think Lesley is going to get a kick out of. I hope you really enjoy it. So feel free to sing along. This is an encouraging, amazing song that I've often drawn inspiration from, and I think you're gonna love it. Brad Crowell 1:21  I've paid my dues time after time. I've done my sentence but committed no crime and bad mistakes I've made a few. I've had my share of sand kicked in my face, but I've come through. And on and on and on. We are the champions, my friends, and we'll keep on fighting till the end, because we are the champions. We are the champions. No time for losers, because we are the champions of the world.Brad Crowell 2:24  You know it. You know it. You hear it in the background. You are singing that song, too. I love this song because it's very relatable. You know, even though you know it's Queen and they're like epic rock stars, but listening to those lyrics, listening to that song, is something that I've always found relatable. You know, I've paid my dues time after time. I've done my sentence, but I committed no crime, right? How often do we feel like that, where we are feeling like I'm doing everything right, and yet things still aren't going my way? And maybe along the way, you know, and bad mistakes I've made a few. Maybe along the way we've made some bad mistakes. I've had my share of sand kicked in my face, but I've come through, right. And as a small business owners, you might feel like that too, but you will come through this. And I wanted to celebrate that chorus with you. We are the champions, my friends. You know we're gonna keep fighting. And that's, that's the thing, when you're, when you are, doesn't even have to be just in business, but in life, you know, one foot in front of the other, y'all. Keep on going. Consistency, persistency. You got this. You can do this. We are the champions, and we'll we're the champions of the world. So really excited to have you joining us this week for this Fuck Yeah Friday. I'm gonna pass the torch here on to Lesley to celebrate a few of your wins, and then hopefully, you know, you're gonna take encouragement and send in your own win to us as well so we can celebrate you on an upcoming Fuck Yeah Friday. So thanks for being here today. Lesley Logan 4:00  All right, now, for the next part of the episode where I share a win of yours. So, win of yours. We had a couple wins from Melissa Capitano, so we'll go through these. Stood up for myself when a client tried to bully me, she didn't think I should charge her for a late cancel because she had been a client since the founding owner, and she was good friends with her. She also told me that she never got any warm and fuzzy feelings from me and that I wasn't friendly towards her. I stood my ground. She told me she's going to pretend the conversation didn't happen, and proceeded to buy a 12 pack and book privates with one of my instructors. So I'm counting it as a win. So I just want to say it is interesting being a business owner, the requests that people ask or demand or think that they are worthy or entitled to, it really does show like, I don't know how this person would like live their life, but clearly there was some sort of luxury, or maybe their family was gifted things or given things based on a last name or whatever. But here's the deal, when you agree to a frequent or patronize an establishment, they have rules, and when you participate in that business, you are agreeing to participate with the rules. Now, if you don't like that, you don't have to patronize the establishment. That's why we live where we all have a place like there's more than one Pilates studio. There's more than one lunch place. There's more than one sandwich place. It's extremely rare in most of the world, where you listen to podcasts, that you are the only thing that exists, and even if you are, you still are worthy of having rules and boundaries for how people can participate with you. And the fact that, like, she's been a client with the original owner, that's cool and that she didn't get warm and fuzzy feelings for you, that's not your fault, right? You weren't creating a best friend environment. You were creating a business that can make people safe and have a place where they can call home for their Pilates practice for years and years to come. So, way to go, Melissa, way to stand for yourself. And I think it's hilarious. It's just like, okay, well, this conversation didn't happen. Like, interesting. Sometimes we have to be a mirror for people. Okay, you have another win. So my win. I'm on the road now, on our way to a family reunion. I needed this break. I've been teaching 35 to 45 hours a week for the last three months. I seriously thought about just staying home and letting my family go, but I remembered what Ella said about you're not helping anyone if you burn yourself out. So anyway, we are on the way stop to pick up lunch, taking Brad and Lesley with me on the road. She's wearing a shirt with Brad and I on it, and I love that so much. And it's really, thank you Melissa for making this a win so we could talk about this as a group. Seriously, you're a zero help to anyone burnt out. You are so not helpful to anyone. One of my friends from a group that I was in. I, by the time I'm recording this, I'm seeing that her husband's in the hospital, and like her, she and her kids, like, flew immediately to go see him. He was in a different state than where they live, and after about 36 hours, she flew the kids back home, because taking care of the kids and him and herself is, like, not an option, right? And the hospital's not the place where they can feel stress free and like, where little children can like, relax either. So she did something for herself so she doesn't burn out, right? So everyone can be protected. There's no right answers in those situations. You might have done something differently, but the point I'm sharing with that story is, Melissa's story, with you is there's always a reason to not go on the trip. There's always a reason to not start the thing. There's always a reason to not take the day off or not go out. And if what the thing that you are saying you don't want to do is used to fill your cup and you're just tired, go do it, because it's going to fill your cup. You're not going to fill your cup at home. You're going to find things to do at home. You're not going to relax. You're not going to rest when you are working that hard in your business, and there are seasons for that you must make sure you are taking care of yourself. So, Melissa, kudos to you. Hats off to you. And thank you for sharing this win so that other people can be inspired that that that is something that they can do. So if you are feeling like close to burnout now, my loves like, what is the thing that you are thinking you shouldn't do? Right? Are you already making excuses? Like, oh, you know that that October trip I shouldn't do. I had somebody reach out about the Cambodia retreat, and they're like, I really want to go. This is like, my dream retreat, but I just start a new job, like, five months before the retreat. Okay, totally understand not every job is reasonable. Maybe they don't have vacation time built up by five months. But also, like you're not gonna lose your job by saying, hey, by the way, in October, I need one week off to take care of myself. If you show your work that you are a better employee after resting, they're going to let you do that. Most places do. Now, you work for an asshole. I can't help you there. Lesley Logan 8:40  All right, a win of ours. So we actually released an app this summer, guys, we did it. Our team did it. It hit the deadlines that we'd set for ourselves. It works. People are using it. They love it. So we've always had, we've already had an app for OPC. People could take classes. You don't have to be a member to use the app, like you can listen to podcast on it. There's like, free tutorials you can watch on it. There's some free challenges. But if you're a member, you can be in the community. You can chat with us, you can take your classes on the app. Makes it really fun to do is take it yourself wherever your phone can go or your iPad can go. So we've been working on that for Profitable Pilates, and it's beautiful. It's really simple. It's really easy for our members to use. So, Agency members, instead of being in Slack now have one place to go to chat with the community, to share their wins, to have a moment to watch videos from me that are notes of inspiration, to see when the next office hours is, to book coaching calls, to watch courses all in one place. And for seven half years prior to this, they had to go to a website and to Slack and, you know, all this different stuff. And so we're, you know, we're so grateful that the way that technology has gone, that we have this opportunity to do this. And I'm really happy with the way the app is, way it looks, way people are using it. I'm just so proud. So this is one of those wins that months in the making and was a more of a team win than a me win. But you know, I am someone who often doesn't like change. I know it's kind of crazy. You think I love change the way I like preach like you should, like, just act like you're already the person you want to be. But like, I always worry about, like, oh my God, we have to transition people from one thing to the other thing. Are they going to do it? Will they come? Are we going to lose people? I don't want people to have a bad time. Like, there's a lot that can go wrong in a transition. And we, you know, it's hand holding everybody is not the easiest thing to do. Some people need it. And so I just am so grateful and so excited for what we've done. And now, y'all, if you want to coach with us, you get to use an app, and it's great. And of course, there's still Zoom calls and things like that. Anyways, really, really grateful for that, really, really proud of that huge win, and I'm just glad I get to celebrate that with you. Lesley Logan 10:53  Okay, your affirmation, another affirmation, but one that's a little easier. There is something in this world that only I can do, that is why I'm here. There is something in this world that only I can do, that is why I'm here. There's something in this world that only I can do, that is why I'm here. You know why I love this it's because I literally tell our aAgency members all of the time, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. Sometimes I have to say it slower for people to hear it. You are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. There are many people who went to the same training that I did in 2008 and are the same age and have the same experience and we teach differently. There are people who stayed with Jay and Sandy and all these people, and we all teach Pilates in theory the same way, and yet they'll be different than me always, and I'll be different than them. So you are the only person who do what you do the way that you do it. You're it. So never play small. Doesn't help anyone. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 11:58  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Brad and Lesley break down the interview with Dr. Celeste Holbrook, a sex educator and author who helps people move beyond shame and create healthy intimacy. They explore how harmful cultural narratives impact women, why communication matters more than technique, and how to reclaim your sexual choices as your own.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to make your own Pilates sandbag and what size cord works best.The impact of purity culture on women's sexual experiences.Why sex isn't static and how it evolves as you mature.The people-pleasing responses that block real connection.Dr. Celeste's four-part guide to heal any sexual challenges.The importance of prioritizing oneself and going at one's own pace.Episode References/Links:UK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. 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So she was like sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad. And then she gets married, and all of a sudden, sex is good. Lesley Logan 0:19  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:02  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the freeing convo I had with Dr. Celeste Holbrook in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and then listen to it, and then come back and join us here. I'm gonna tell you right now. We talked about sex, baby. So you're gonna wanna listen to it. I also have her book. I'm so excited about it. We talked about a lot of stuff it. We went all places. Yeah, we didn't really talk about positions or things like that. We just, like talked about the things that people don't talk about.Brad Crowell 1:36  Actually, you know what you talked about more than anything else, was communication.Lesley Logan 1:39  Yeah, oh, yeah, we did. Oh, and, you know, what's really interesting, her book is so timely at the time we're recording this in my fucking Instagram feed, some stupid man decided to talk about stinky coochies. Oh, yeah. And your coochie needs to be Christian if you don't want your husband to cheat on you. The fucking bullshit that people lie to women about. Lie, just bold face fucking lie. Brad Crowell 2:05  There's no such thing as a Christian coochie Go fuck yourself. That is insane. Lesley Logan 2:09  It also, also, also, I don't care what you believe, it is never your fucking fault if someone cheats on you, it's never your fault. It's always about them. There's something going on there. It's not your fault. Period.Brad Crowell 2:24  Yeah, I was incensed after watching that video. And there's a special place in hell for that pastor.Lesley Logan 2:30  Yeah, there really is. And then I just listened to an interview about some girls who were, like, raised in a purity culture, and I forgot, I had forgotten a lot of the shit that I was, like, told and now and then I read, I've been reading her book, and it's like, holy fuck. It's a wonder, it's a wonder women anywhere are having actual sex that's not painful. So anyways, go read her book. Go listen to that episode. We're gonna talk about some good stuff in a second. I promise. I promise. I do think that the world does get better at some point. I do. I do. I have to believe in that. Lesley Logan 3:00  Today is September 4th 2025 and it is National Wildlife Day. And on National Wildlife Day, hold on, I pulled up, oh. Brad Crowell 3:11  America marks National Wildlife day every year. Lesley Logan 3:14  No, no, no. Don't take this away from me. Brad Crowell 3:16  On September 4th. Lesley Logan 3:17  It's an opportunity for everyone to step back, take a deep breath and think about all that surrounds us. It is inspiring to consider preservation and conservation efforts that work to improve in the natural world, there remains so much to learn, as Henry David Thoreau once wrote, "In wildness is the preservation of the world." Okay, but we couldn't agree more, so let's take a closer look at this day. Yeah, go spend some time out in a preserve near you. We have a preserve near us. Brad Crowell 3:50  We do, it's really close. Lesley Logan 3:51  We actually have the wetlands. And then if we go up two hours, is a really cool preserve we can go camping at, people go fishing at, there's a fucking lake. Brad Crowell 3:58  There's one lake right here, like, a couple blocks from us. Lesley Logan 4:01  Oh, there is another preserve. Brad Crowell 4:02  Yeah, like, literally in the city, this preserve. Yeah.Lesley Logan 4:04  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So go find a preserve near you. You know, I know people like to get mad about the coyotes or the mountain lions that live there. They were there first, so take that in. And second, like it's, there's just something like, it's kind of cool that the way this wildlife that we live and go to a zoo. I mean, make sure it's a good one. But like, take it in, take in the wildlife. Because one, it's going away and. Brad Crowell 4:04  I think the zoo would be the opposite of wildlife.Lesley Logan 4:30  Okay, maybe. But I bet you, I bet you, some of them donate to wildlife. Maybe. Brad Crowell 4:35  I'm, you know. Lesley Logan 4:36  Go camping. Brad Crowell 4:36  They can be well intentioned. Lesley Logan 4:38  So what do you want them to do? Go camping? Brad Crowell 4:40  Yeah, go camping. Lesley Logan 4:41  This wasn't very clear. So I guess take a moment to consider how you're going to preserve the wildlife near you and conserve efforts, like your conservation efforts. You know, can you stop putting plastic straws near you know, water, like the ocean and things like that. The turtles are choking, you guys, so. Brad Crowell 5:02  Yeah, let's not choke any turtles. Lesley Logan 5:04  No, it's so sad, it' so sad. I can't watch those things. So anyway.Brad Crowell 5:07  Our neighbor has a tortoise. Lesley Logan 5:08  Yeah, Tortimer. Brad Crowell 5:09  Tortimer the tortoise, the tortoise, Tortimer the tortoise, and he's like, 15 or something.Lesley Logan 5:15  But he's not even a desert tortoise. He's an African, something tortoise but. Brad Crowell 5:19  Yeah, I can remember the name. Lesley Logan 5:20  Speaking of preservation out here in Vegas, So the desert tortoise is about to go extinct. There's actually we're having some huge problems with them, and have enough space for them, because they actually need flat desert land to crawl on. And then, of course, flat desert land is what everone wants to develop because. Lesley Logan 5:42  Was it extinct, or we're just destroying their habitat here? Lesley Logan 5:42  We're destroying their habitat here. Brad Crowell 5:43  Yeah, I'm not sure if this is their only environment. But, but, yeah, like the the Las Vegas Valley, you know, is expanding. They're expecting something like 400,000 people to move here in the next decade. And so they're, they're slapping together.Lesley Logan 5:53  The lack of rain is not deterring anyone so. Brad Crowell 5:55  Well, they're slapping together all these expansions all around the city in, you know. And basically, they're driving out the they're changing the desert landscape, which is driving away the turtles.Lesley Logan 6:03  And the desert tortoise can't live near the mountains because they don't climb rocks. They just walk on the flat desert. Also, also, I learned this fun fact, you like, they have, they have territories, right? Like, you can't have two male tortoises near each other, and they need to have a burrow during the hot part of the day, and if they don't know the area, you just can't pick up a tortoise and, like, move it to another part of the desert. They got to know where to burrow. So anyways, these are important things to know, and so if you live in an area that's got some wildlife, maybe take it upon yourself to find out what's going on, and your local city council meetings, and who's trying to develop those areas, and yell and scream because it's really cathartic, and you can save a wildlife animal near you. We are we've been recently yelling and screaming to keep Las Vegas loud, so downtown loud. So, you know, it's fun. It's fun to be part of things in the community, to, like, take care of other people. Okay, enough about this day. Lesley Logan 6:04  Coming up. Oh, like now we're actually. Brad Crowell 6:33  Yeah, we're literally en route. Lesley Logan 6:51  So we're in the U.K., by the way. Brad Crowell 6:57  We just we just landed. Lesley Logan 7:03  No, we've been here a day. We're in Scotland today. Yep, we are actually at the very top of Scotland. We're as far up as we can go. And because, that's because we're gonna take a little vacation, we're gonna see some interesting Scottish games, and then we're gonna drive all the way down to Essex, where we're teaching for two days The Movement Base. And there might be a couple spots left in the workshops, and then we're going up to Leeds to teach there on the weekend in September. So this is all happening in September, September 8th, 9th and 10th, and then 13th and 14th. Anyways, it's a Tuesday and Wednesday. Brad Crowell 7:33  I don't actually remember the specific dates, but a. Lesley Logan 7:36  And a Saturday and a Sunday and. Brad Crowell 7:38  Go to opc.me/uk for the specifics. Lesley Logan 7:41  Yeah, and don't miss out, because we're not coming back. Okay.Brad Crowell 7:46  Not anytime soon. Last time was two years ago, so yeah, you know, but yeah, we're never gonna be back. Lesley Logan 7:50  No, we'll come back. Then we're gonna go home for two days, and then we're going to go to Pilates on Tour in Chicagoland. Brad Crowell 7:56  Two days? Lesley Logan 7:57  Two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:58  Two weeks. Lesley Logan 7:59  Two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:59  Yeah, I was gonna say. Lesley Logan 7:59  Two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:59  Two weeks, we're home for two weeks. Lesley Logan 8:02  We're home for two weeks, and then we go to Chicagoland, no, just three weeks. Chicagoland. And the time that we're recording this, we heard it was 75% sold out. It's probably changed, but I think there's, I think the early bird ends next week, if there's any room, and then we'll be in Cambodia. And the time you're hearing this, you've got a month, you can still sign up, you can still buy a plane ticket, like there's still time,Brad Crowell 8:24  There's definitely still time. I'm still having conversations with people, and there's there's room, so.Lesley Logan 8:28  crowsnestretreats.comBrad Crowell 8:30  PS, if you have ever wanted to walk around with elephants, we go to an elephant sanctuary at the after the retreat is over, it's an extra curricular activity after that we love to do, and so we always stay an extra day. And we also go to a waterfall, which is super magical. And maybe that's the thing that you're just like, really that excited, you know, that's what you want to do. So I just want to throw those out there that you can join us for those, in addition to the retreat. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com, and come join us.Lesley Logan 9:05  Yeah, and we're as we're, by the time we're recording this, we're also trying to lock in a day of teaching in Singapore. So my Singaporeans, hello, we are coming your way. And then we're gonna go see the botanical garden. So if you wanna walk around the gardens with us, you can. Then, December is our winter tour, and we're getting a ton of people asking us if we're going to Texas, and things like New York, and things like that. Yes, it's in the winter tour. So go to opc.me/events to get on the waitlist for that because if you're on the waitlist, you hear right away. And let me tell you, when we announce our tours, some cities literally sell out, especially on the winter tour. So because we've been doing the winter tour the longest, and people are really excited about it. So, opc.me/events. Okay.Brad Crowell 9:43  You're not wrong. Lesley Logan 9:44  Before we get into. I know, I know. We went to bed after announcing it. Woke up, two cities were sold out.Brad Crowell 9:50  Two cities were sold out in less than 24 hours last year, yeah. Lesley Logan 9:53  Okay, all right, Brad, we have an audience question to answer. Brad Crowell 9:56  Yes, we do. Lesley Logan 9:57  And actually, this is really for you. Brad Crowell 9:59  Oh would you like to read the question? Lesley Logan 10:06  Yes. Brad Crowell 10:06  Okay. Lesley Logan 10:02  @gp_pilates_studio, that's Greenpoint Pilate studio, hi, Allyn, on YouTube asks about How to Make Your Own Pilates Sandbag video. Hey, Brad, what is the diameter, the diameter of the rope and cord, the paracord that we use? What's the diameter of it? Brad Crowell 10:16  Okay. So this was on a video that we made, Lesley and I made called How to Make Your Own Pilates Sandbag, right? And if you're familiar with the sandbag, it's the bar, and then there's the cord, and then there's the weights, and you can twist it back and forth. And so we actually made one our own, and we showed you how to make your own. So if you're interested in that, it's on YouTube. Great question here, Allyn, gp_pilates_studio on YouTube. So, it doesn't matter really what the diameter is. You don't want, like, you know, an inch thick piece of rope that would be just annoying and bulky. But what I used was just like your typical, like, cheapo bought it at the hardware store, nylon cord, you know, I think it was like 10 bucks for 100 meters of it, or something like that, you know, and they wrap it around that little h looking thing, and you just spin it around it, and it's like, you know, I don't know, like, there was no real diameter. It's just the smallest thing.Lesley Logan 11:13  Okay, I found it. I found it. Three-eights of an inch.Brad Crowell 11:16  Yeah, but, but honestly, if you get a quarter of an inch, it's fine, you know, I wouldn't. I probably, like, at a half an inch or an inch thick rope, it would just be annoying because you're twisting it around this, you know, it would, it would become like a spool, and that's just silly. So smaller is fine. The reality is, it just needs to support, you know, a pound or two pounds of weight, you know, so we're not, we're not trying to lift a house here. We're just.Lesley Logan 11:39  I'm pretty sure it's a three-eights of an inch one that looks like what we got. And also it, because I remember, it fits like, right through, if you just drill a hole we didn't get anything fancy.Brad Crowell 11:40  Yeah and I just, yeah, I just took a, you know, a quarter inch drill bit right through the middle, and then I just threaded that through. So as long as you can get the rope through, it's fine. That's really, you know, that all that matters.Lesley Logan 12:00  Yeah, I love it. So you can all make your own sandbag. We did it for the Accessories Deck, which is now shipping worldwide.Brad Crowell 12:07  Yeah. We actually did. We showed you how to build three different pieces of equipment. One was the push up handles. One was the the two by four, and then finally, was this one, this Pilates sandbag. So, yeah, great question. Thanks for that. If you have a question, you can text us at 310-905-5534, or you can submit your question or your win to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions and we kind of need you to submit y'all so we have some wins to talk about on our Friday pod so let's go. Let's go right now. Pull out your phone, go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions. All right, that's enough of that.Lesley Logan 12:50  You know how easy a win is. This is my new win. So, I have been trying to figure I love my I love my red light mask and neck. And when I got them, I was using them really regularly, and we got really busy and and I've everything else, all my other habits were really good, but that one is has just been hard to fit back in. And I saw the dermatologist, and he's like, yeah, my wife uses hers every night. And I said, oh, when? He was like, before bed, and you know, so she washes her face and she use them. I'm like, oh, I can do that. And so I have done it four nights in a row, right before bed. I just put them on my face and I lay there. And you know, what's crazy is, like, I actually am getting some really good, deep sleep, like I'm sleeping really well. And I think it's that there's a time before I fall asleep that I'm just laying there waiting to go to sleep. So that's a win. Brad Crowell 13:35  Like, it's on for like, 10 minutes. Lesley Logan 13:35  Yeah, it goes off on its own. So even if I fell asleep with them, like, I wouldn't want to do that, but I could fall asleep with them laying on my face, and like, you know, yeah. See how easy that was. I just came up with a win on the spot. Lesley Logan 13:41  That's a win on the spot. Lesley Logan 13:43  You can do it too. Brad Crowell 13:46  Yeah, yeah, I love it. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into this juicy conversation that we have with Dr. Celeste Holbrook, and also celebratory. It was really awesome. So we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 14:01  Okay, now let's talk about Dr. Celeste Holbrook. PhD, right? Yeah, she's no joke. Dr. Celeste Holbrook is a sex educator with a PhD in health behaviors and a post grad emphasis in sexual behaviors. She helps women and couples overcome challenges, heal from shame, and create better, more fulfilling sex lives. Her new book, Missionary Position: A Slightly Orreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture, tackles the complex interaction of sex, religion and personal freedom. Celeste is known for her practical, down to earth approach that makes conversations about sex accessible and empowering and honestly, not awkward. But she's just really good at making it just, it's just a conversation. It doesn't have to be the silly thing. Some, for some reason it's like, it feels like we revert to sixth grade whenever this this conversation comes out, and it's like everyone like, hee-hee-hees in the corner. It's so weird, and it's and you might not be doing it out loud, but you're kind of cringing a little on the inside. She just takes that whole thing away and, like, you know, I mean, it was, it was, she's very matter of fact, matter of factly talking about having dildos in her social media posts, you know, like, oh, okay, yeah, there's that. But, but yeah. I mean, she's, she's not being like, risque or weird about her the conversation. She's specifically serving people who came from the culture that she did, which was, like, raised in a super, super strict religious home in purity culture. And so when she, when she got married, she for, like, it wasn't like, you can't just flip a switch, right? So she was like, sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad. And then she gets married, and all of a sudden, sex is good. Like, that's not how it works in the body. And she had to tackle that. Lesley Logan 15:43  Yeah, definitely listen to her first interview on the show, because it actually goes into that if and, and I think it's really interesting. I think, like, even if you weren't raised in a super like, if you, if I, if I say purity culture, and you don't think automatically. Brad Crowell 15:55  That doesn't mean anything to you, right. Lesley Logan 15:55  And you never had a ring on your finger that was turned one different way, and you were, like, betrothed to your father until, until someone's picked for you. Laugh. Had that ring, guys. Brad Crowell 16:07  Not laugh. It's like a, it's like a sardonic shudder. Lesley Logan 16:11  Oh, I know. Because, like, we thought that was normal. Brad Crowell 16:13  Totally thought it was normal. Lesley Logan 16:15  Did you read the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye? Brad Crowell 16:16  Yeah. Oh yeah. Josh, Josh something, right? Lesley Logan 16:17  Yeah. I think he's come out and said everything I taught was wrong. I'm almost positive one of the guys.Lesley Logan 16:19  He got a follow up book and then I think he got, like, ostracized from the churches. Lesley Logan 16:26  Yeah, one, one of the, one of the purity culture dudes, and I think it's kiss dating guy, goodbye guy has come out and said his book was extremely harmful, and he doesn't believe that anymore. Brad Crowell 16:36  Joshua Harris. Lesley Logan 16:37  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so thank you, Josh for doing that. But like, for the women who are listening, if you have friends in your life, if you weren't raised like this, who literally were told that like that is the worst thing they could do is to as to at all make a man lust. If you did anything that can make a man lust, you were causing him to go to hell. So you are, like, doing everything you can to, like, not be, not be attractive, and not be feminine, and then you get married, and you're supposed to just be sexy and have sex and, like, make babies. And, you know, Dr. Celeste and many women, they actually go through this painful experience with sex. And maybe you don't have that, but also you don't actually know, and she talks a lot about communication. How do you want to feel like you were never taught that sex could be something that you could enjoy? A lot of women are taught, not taught that you can enjoy sex. Brad Crowell 17:23  I just went down the rabbit hole. He, 20 years after writing the book, I Kissed Dating Goodbye, Joshua Harris left the church he was pastoring, divorced his wife and made a document, a documentary about the repercussions of the book. Oh, I want to watch the documentary. It's called, I Survived I Kissed Dating Goodbye. Lesley Logan 17:47  Okay, well, we're watching that. That's tonight's show. The it's an eye and it's really interesting, because, like, I had a very interesting childhood where I there was definitely purity culture at the church, at the church camps I went to. My parents tried to do these things, and then also my parents would kick us out of the house so they could have sex. So, like, sex was a conversation that they had. My grandparents would talk about how they had sex a lot. So, like, I It's not like I I lived I knew that married couples had sex, right, so, but it's just the reason that I bring this up is I actually think a lot of women, whoa, you good? Brad Crowell 18:10  Sorry, I found it. Somebody pulled it off of YouTube. He doesn't have the rights to it, and so it was on YouTube for years. I'm still down the rabbit hole, y'all. This is (inaudible) online. I went to his own website, and I found a post, a blog post, from May, so two months ago, saying, I don't know why they pulled it off of YouTube. It used to be here. Here's a link to it. That was on a pirated website. I don't know how long it's going to be available, but you can still watch it. So, very interesting.Lesley Logan 18:54  Love him. Okay, we do need to get back to Dr. Celeste. Brad Crowell 18:54  Sorry, I'm focused. I'm in. Okay. Lesley Logan 18:57  So I, I just, I'm really obsessed with what Dr. Celeste is doing, because I just know too many women who, whether or not you had a ring and you're were married to, like, dating your dad, until you were dating someone else, you were not offered the opportunity to understand that you could feel good during sex. Like, that's just very few people. Some, some people had brilliant mothers who were like hippies and like, told about that that is not, that is not most of my friends' experience. So, so one of the things, so, get her book, okay, you'll get her book. So she said American society tends to view sex in binary extremes, but it's rather a more nuanced middle ground. And we've seen this. You can see this in social media today. Like, people don't think that sex and gender are two different things. They are. Like, so, like what you're what you're attracted to, and like the gender. All these there's there's differences, and it's not so black and white, and everyone wants to make it like this is how it is, where sex is often placed on either end of the spectrum, either don't think about it or don't talk about it until a certain age or a marriage. And then that makes it really difficult. Because you know, most of the things, like, when you're a little kid, everyone asks, like, what do you want to be when you grow up? So you have your whole life to change your mind. You're like, I'm gonna be a judge. I'll be this. And you get to, like, explore and take classes and to do that. And when you're in this country, most people, like, don't do sex, don't have sex, don't get pregnant. And girls are also taught it's your fault if you get pregnant and there's something wrong, like you did something wrong. Yeah, if you get pregnant.Brad Crowell 20:22  Well, your shoulder straps were too skinny, that's why you're pregnant. Lesley Logan 20:26  Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you're married. So now you should know, you should know how to do sex. You should know what, what to do, but no one let you talk about it. No one like, it's just a whole mess. It's a mess. It's a mess. So anyways, I really like, that's why she wrote her book. But she also explained, we are not binary people, as far as what we want to do in our sex life. And she said, like, she advocates living in the glittery middle, like, just like, you know, like, it doesn't have to, like, just because you liked it one way, at some point is like, another way. Brad Crowell 20:54  So, just so that, like, we like, when we say binary, I think what she's what she's saying there is, it's okay for sex to change over time. Because the conversation you were having is like, you know, sex is, is different at different stages of life, right? When you're, you know, in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 70s, like, it changes, right? And so that's I, you know, I think that makes, that makes sense.Lesley Logan 21:21  And she so, she advocates for that glittery middle and, like, also, you know, exploring and, and it's, I think what's interesting is, like, she is so open to, like, helping you figure out what you want. And I have some amazing, interesting friends in this world. I have one friend who, like, has a partner who's a sexual, has a partner that she dates, but they date someone else, and then she prefers to have one other one. And I'm like, like, the 12 year old me is like, oh my god, what the fuck are you doing? Like, that's so weird. And then, like, the person who's like, gone through some work, done a lot of reading, I'm like, that is very fascinating. I don't like looking at my calendar that much, and that sounds like way too many. Brad Crowell 22:03  It's a lot of scheduling. Lesley Logan 22:04  A lot of scheduling. It's also a lot of testing, it's a lot of things. But she looked at me and she's, like, 10 years? Like, are you bored? So like, you know, it's really funny how we all have a different thing and she and Dr. Celeste is just like, advocating for, like, live in your glittery middle, understand that you're what you're gonna want out of your sex life is gonna change, and that's okay, and that's there's nothing wrong with you as it changes. Like, just explore that. And so she basically said you could decide what is best for you, and that right there is like the opposite of what purity culture and dickhead people in this country want you to think. They don't want you to think it's what's best for you. They want you to think it's what's best for the dick headed man they think you should be married to. Anyways.Lesley Logan 22:05  Tell me more about how you feel. Lesley Logan 22:12  Fucking Christian coochie. That's never gonna leave my mind. Lesley Logan 22:36  Yeah. Like, what a woman hater. Gross.Lesley Logan 22:58  That's the interesting thing. Like, I think a lot of, I think a lot of people in that world just don't like women. But it's, anyways.Brad Crowell 23:05  Yeah. Well, I mean, I was gonna say as a comment to that, you know, how do you get to the point, like, the reason I made the comment at the beginning was that it was mostly about communication. Is because, if you have been with someone for a long time, what does it look like to have that conversation of, like, things are changing and shifting in your sex life, you know? How is that? What does that mean? And, like, you know, I'm not talking about like, like, promiscuity. It could be that, you know, but, but, but maybe it's just simple things like, hey, you know what? Like, I want to make it I want to change it up, you know. Like, let's change it up today, you know, whatever, and but the communication is where I think it gets awkward, and hopefully, you know, with your partner, you have the the type of relationship where you can just simply have a conversation about it. Lesley Logan 23:55  Also, I really, am I gonna take away your takeaway talking points? I really loved how she talked about the funny, like the faking the orgasm, is that in your section?Brad Crowell 24:05  My section, no, I was talking about how things changed over time. In fact, I even jumped ahead to it without realizing it myself. Fawning is really interesting, if you're not familiar with the definition. What is fawning?Lesley Logan 24:16  So essentially, like, there's flight, fright, fight, right? And I used to, when I studied biology, it was like, and fuck, like, some people, well, that's like, it's all part of the same part of your brain system. So that's kind of funny, but fawn is like, this, like, people-pleasing, or you've seen it in movies where the guy gets really mad and he hits her, and then she's like, oh, it's okay. Actually, that was my fault. I tripped into you. Like, they do this whole, you know, like, you're okay, everything's like, and acting like, really small and toss out like a little lamb, and then that makes a person, usually a man, like, calm down. Everything's fine. She talked about faking orgasms as a fawning response, as a people-pleasing response, and we talked, oh my, you guys have to listen to this, because she talked about, like, she believes in being honest, but also being kind. And we taught and like. Brad Crowell 25:03  She said there was a difference between honesty and full transparency. She said she doesn't believe in full transparency, but she does believe in honesty, and she said people can use full transparency as honesty and be cutting and hurtful, right? Lesley Logan 25:20  Because, like, because she also has, and this is an interesting thing. If you have been faking orgasms in your entire marriage, it's you can't always just blame your partner, because you never told them what it would take to please you, and so they're just doing what you have responded to in the past, you know? So it's a and I thought was really fascinating. So it's like, yes, be honest, like, hey, I would like to try something different that's no longer working for me. And so then it's not something that you're rejecting the other person or making them feel like shit, and you're also able to then start articulating what you want. And it does take practice. You're right. It's all about communication. It's such you guys have to go listen. If you have, you gotta listen, go, listen. Brad Crowell 26:00  Yeah. And just to wrap that up there, you know, as things change over time, she said, hey, we mature as humans. Why wouldn't our sex life mature too? And it's important to allow our sex life to mature as we mature. It's the most helpful thing that we can do for ourselves. So, you know, I just thought it was really a topic that nobody ever talks about that's really helpful. So, yeah, there's a lot of room to allow ourselves compassion to grow as we grow, right? And then, you know, and that's like.Lesley Logan 26:30  Oh, you guys, I mean, when you get older, when you get older, like, your bones get brittle. So, like, there's going to be some positions that neither person, no matter what your gender is and who you want to have sex with, can do, like, you're gonna have to start doing sideways sex, because, like, you could fucking break your pelvis or a hip. So, like, just start getting.Brad Crowell 26:49  You could break it while fucking is what you meant to say. Lesley Logan 26:52  Yeah, that too. But anyway, so just like, if, if this is a conversation that you are, like, already going, I don't know if I can have this. Read her book, follow her, because the more I do, the more I might able to go, oh, what an interesting thing that I haven't been able to articulate that was really helpful. Thanks so much, you know. So anyways.Brad Crowell 27:13  Yeah, well stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items that we have with Dr. Celeste Holbrook. Brad Crowell 27:20  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Celeste Holbrook? She said, hey, I've got a four-part guide, and you should use it. And she maps it out in detail in her book, but high level, it's the analyst, the assassin, the healer and the explorer. And I thought, this is kind of cool. And she said, she said, it's like the archetypal woman. So the analyst helps you understand, what are we actually carrying around? Is the are these mental bags full of shame, full of neglect, full of fear, right? And then the assassin is taking what the analyst has found. So this is like a progression, right? So it's not just like you're only stuck in one it seems like this is a progression. So the assassin then is taking what the analyst has found and is just slicing through it, like deconstructing, you know, the, in her case, she's specifically talking about purity culture, and, like, all the baggage that we're saddled with from that kind of a thing. And then after the assassin is the healer who facilitates, like, she helping regenerate ideas about sex through, like, education.Lesley Logan 28:34  Yeah, right. Re-education.Brad Crowell 28:36  Yeah, gentle re-education about what is sex and what's okay. And, you know, like, why do we have this guilt around sex and, like, what, like, why does that even like, there's just a lot of history that blows my mind. Finally, we have the explorer, like, you know where you've kind of, after you've gone through some healing, you're now, like, feeling more confident, more willingness to, you know, be like, explore having sex, right? And you know that could be with your partner, with yourself, or whatever, you know. So, yeah, it's an interesting, like, progression out of.Lesley Logan 29:11  I think it's a cool idea of a process, because it it if you think, oh, my god, I have to figure all this out, or you might hear about the explorer part and be like, what the I you can't even wrap your head around that. It's because you got to go through the process. Brad Crowell 29:23  Yeah, and I think it's great, because it really sets her up. Like, you know, she's she, she jokingly said a lot of my conversations are pretty boring, like, what? Because she's got clients, one-on-one, clients and, and it's not, they're not like, crazy, like, it's, it's not, it's not, like, telling, not story time. She's actually, you know, helping people go through the process that she created here. So it depends on what's, you know, part of the flow that you're in, you know, might just simply be analysis for a while, you know, and coming to terms with it. And then it won't be until you've come to terms with that you can move on to the next phase. And but what's great is that she has a process. And I think that's really cool. Lesley Logan 30:01  Yeah, she also has a couple other things for you, which is something you can repeat. She said to, free to repeat, I prioritize myself by allowing myself to go at my own pace. I prioritize myself by allowing myself to go at my own pace. I think that is so important, no matter what the topic is, no matter what you're trying to be it till you see, like, if you got nothing out of this episode but that affirmation, great. And she also, we've talked about her being like a slow reader and like her writing and all that stuff. And she, she really learned to prioritize herself and appreciate being considerate and slow and thoughtful. Like, that's actually her prioritizing herself by her, not quite I'm a slow reader, but instead going, I am a slow reader, so I am going to be considerate and slow and thoughtful. That's how I do things. Brad Crowell 30:47  Yeah and give myself the time and space to do that. Lesley Logan 30:49  I thought that was so cool. Like, what a, what an amazing way to prioritize yourself is to, like, do the things the way you you need to do them. Brad Crowell 31:00  Yeah and that's like, you know, across any element of life, it's not just, you know, around sex, so I think that's great.Lesley Logan 31:06  And then finally, she said, and this is for your sexual life, she said, where the goal for sexual choice is to be your decision, and not one manipulated by society or cultural values or religious values, and I think that is so important, because even if you aren't someone who is religious, but maybe your culture had a different kind of pressure, or a different way of seeing your body, or maybe you feel a different way with society. Your sexual life is your and choices are your decision, and not wanting to be manipulated by anybody else. So I think that's so important. I just fucking love her. I wish she lived closer. I want to have coffee with her all the time. Brad Crowell 31:43  Yeah, she was a lot of fun to listen to. And also her story about how her book came to be, what a roller coaster. That was, how cool that, you know, that you were a part of it. I think that's pretty neat. Lesley Logan 31:53  Honestly, honestly, like, this is like, you know, like, everything happens for a reason, like how we interviewed him two years ago. Jake. And I forget how Jake got to me. I actually. Brad Crowell 32:05  I think he was connected through. Lesley Logan 32:07  Somebody told no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's a Christian. Lori Harder friend, person, so somebody sent Jake to me. And then. Brad Crowell 32:16  Jake Kelfer. Lesley Logan 32:17  Yeah, and then, and then I watch Celeste stuff, but sometimes she ends up not in my feed because of algorithms. And that day, I just happened to not only watch, but like, actually turn, like, read the whole thing. And I was like, what's going on? I tap through. I watched every story, and I was and I was just like, call me, I got, so but, like, it's just like.Brad Crowell 32:36  Jake. Jake was interviewed on episode 202. Lesley Logan 32:38  But this is how you, you can't this is something for me too, we can't worry, oh my god, what if I missed out on this? Because, like I had I was meant to watch her stories on that day, like I was meant to, because it could have been so easy for me to not pick up my phone that day and not watch them. There was a reason why I opened my phone up and I watched her stories. I do not watch that many people's stories, and it was because I was supposed to see them and introduce her to Jake. That was my whole goal. That was, like, the universe working for her. Universe was like, okay, Celeste, we're going to make sure Lesley sees it, because Lesley knows Jake, and you need to know Jake. Boom, it's done. And, like, she had to write the book. I love it. I love it. I love you, Dr. Celeste Holbrook, I love the book. You guys, go get it. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 33:22  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 33:23  Thank you so much for being you. Now. Go share this with a friend who needs to hear it, and go get her book. And go leave us a review, because we really appreciate that. And go be it till you see it.Brad Crowell 33:34  Yeah. And just one last time. Her book is called Missionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture. Lesley Logan 33:41  I love it so much. I love it so much. Brad Crowell 33:44  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 33:46  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. 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Our incredible bodies were designed to move, and with that, sometimes comes injury or overuse. If you want to recover optimally, physical therapy is an incredible tool that can help you not only restore strength and mobility but come back better than before. Today's guest, Dan Swinscoe, is a physical therapist and strength and conditioning coach. Dan has over 30 years of experience helping folks move better. In his work, Dan creates customized programs that restore mobility, improve strength, and address the root cause of pain and limitation. Dan joins this episode of The Model Health Show for an enlightening conversation on rehabilitation, pain, and healing. You're going to learn about identifying the root cause of injuries and how to build strength while healing. Dan is also going to address the nuances of relying on imaging as a diagnostic tool, how to understand what pain is, and how to get strong for life.    In this episode you'll discover:  The history of physical therapy. (5:01) How hurt and harm differ. (6:13) The shocking truth about imaging and diagnosing the root cause of pain. (6:38) What MRIs should be used for. (8:36) The connection between the hips and the spine. (13:08) Why your discs are like a credit card. (13:31) What percentage of disc injuries improve without treatment. (15:36) How to fix your function to reduce or eliminate pain. (17:17) What specific rest is and how to implement it. (24:09) How stress can impact your level of pain. (27:06) Why mindset is an important part of building confidence after injury. (39:51) Specific tips for increasing function and range of motion. (41:49)  What muscle guarding is. (44:54) How to use visualization as a healing tool. (52:36) The role that diaphragmatic breathing plays in feeling better. (55:05) Three fundamental human movements we should all engage in. (1:10:14)  Items mentioned in this episode include:  Beekeepersnaturals.com/model  - Save up to 30% on natural remedies! Paleovalley.com/model  - Use code MODEL for 15% off!  FixYourFunction.com  - Use code MODEL for 25% off Dan's courses!  Connect with Dan Swinscoe Website / Instagram / YouTube    Be sure you are subscribed to this podcast to automatically receive your episodes:   Apple Podcasts Spotify Soundcloud Pandora YouTube     This episode of The Model Health Show is brought to you by Beekeeper's Naturals and Paleovalley. Reinvent your medicine cabinet for with clean, effective products powered by the beehive & backed by science. Claim up to a 30% discount at beekeepersnaturals.com/model. Use my code MODEL at Paleovalley.com/model to save 15% sitewide on nutrient dense snacks, superfood supplements, and more.   

In this empowering conversation, Lesley Logan welcomes back sex educator Dr. Celeste Holbrook to talk about her new book Missionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture. Together they unpack healing from harmful narratives, navigating seasons of change in your sex life, and discovering the ‘glittery middle,' where you get to define pleasure, intimacy, and authenticity on your own terms.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to let your sex life evolve with every stage of life.The five-year journey and setbacks behind Celeste's debut book.The four archetypes for healing and reclaiming sexual agency.Why faking orgasms is a “fawn response” and how to break the cycle.The freedom of defining your own sexual ethic in the “glittery middle”.Episode References/Links:Dr. Celeste Holbrook's Website - www.drcelesteholbrook.comDr. Celeste Holbrook's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/drcelesteholbrookDr. Celeste Holbrook on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/DrCelesteHolbrookMissionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture by Dr. Celeste Holbrook - https://a.co/d/3UimUKxA Well-Trained Wife by Tia Levings - https://a.co/d/ibRaesYFourth Wing Series by Rebecca Yarros - https://a.co/d/7Qhgk2REp. 202: Jake Kelfer - https://beitpod.com/jakekelferEp. 265: Daniella Mestyanek Young - https://beitpod.com/daniellayoungGuest Bio:Dr. Celeste Holbrook is a sex educator, speaker, and small-town Texas horse girl who's on a mission to make conversations about sex less awkward and way more empowering. With a Ph.D. in Health Education from Texas Woman's University and a thriving virtual practice, Celeste helps people create lives filled with pleasure, connection, and confidence—starting in the bedroom. After years of struggling with pain and shame around sex, she set out to find answers no one else could give her—and ended up becoming the expert she needed. Today, she guides women toward pleasurable sex by helping them understand their bodies, claim their worth, and ask for what they want without apology. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:02  Hey, Be It babe, okay, this might be the first guest that is coming on for a third appearance. I think she won. I could be wrong, but I think she won. Dr. Celeste Holbrook is back. She's back. We're gonna talk about a couple of things. We're gonna talk about sex, we're (inaudible) we're gonna talk about her book. We're gonna talk about the journey that one goes on to get their work out into this world. And so even if you are like, I don't want to talk about the sex part, like, well, we should talk about the sex part. That's actually what we should do. But I want you to hear this, because I think it's so easy to hear people on a podcast go, oh, it's so easy for them because they got on a podcast, like, it's so easy, and you don't hear all the doors that get shut all the time. And I also am excited for you to hear like there are people in this world who just want to help each other out, and I think we need evidence of that. And I'm super, super excited that I get to be a cheerleader for amazing humans in this world like that. When I think about my, like, genius zone or something like that. Like, sometimes I think it's that I just get to cheer on people who are doing hard things and go, I see you, and you're doing great. And I can't wait. I can't wait. So guys, I'm gonna stop this, because we're gonna get right into we get right into it. And if you have this is the first time you're hearing about Dr. Celeste Holbrook, I really encourage you to go back to the first two episodes we did together. Go do the oldest one, then the second one, because I think you'll get a full picture of everything. We talked about a lot of good stuff. So she's gonna change your life. All right, here she is. Lesley Logan 2:31  All right, all right. So you guys, we're just gonna get right into this episode. Dr. Celeste Holbrook is back. You guys, third time won't be the last time. I somehow have to have her on annually. I think, Celeste, can you tell everyone why you're back. Let's just get in. Let's just start there. Celeste Holbrook 2:46  Okay, so I'm so excited, I can't even, like, contain myself. So I'm back because I have a book out, and I have a book really, truly because of Lesley Logan, because I have tried to publish this book for so long with traditional publishing, and I just got closed door after closed door after closed door for a lot of different reasons, which maybe we do and don't go into, I don't know, but Lesley reached out to me and was like, Celeste, I have this company. They do professional publishing. They're really great, and I just latched onto it, and I did every single thing that they suggested, and it was such a beautiful experience. So the whole point of this is I have a book, and I have a book because of you, and I want to aggressively love you today for encouraging me to do this.Lesley Logan 3:38  I am taking all that love also like this podcast, is why you have it, because I met that guy, because I interviewed him. And I have to, like, I'm not even I'll have to go back to the archives to figure out how I got this person, but I interviewed him, and I'm like, I really like this person. Like, I think he's great. Like, I've written a book, and I would have loved his help. Then, because I met him and had him on the pod, we had three of our clients use him, so I got to see from different perspectives how it was so when, and here's the thing, you were always on my feed, like, the algorithm would always, like, send you, and I like, just love all your stuff. And then it, like, kind of stopped, because I don't know that's how the algorithm works. And I happened to look at your stories, it was your stories, I'm pretty sure, and you were sharing this thing. And I'm not normally someone who's like, let me go in on the six minutes of a story. But I was like, I'm procrastinating. I'm in and so I was like, wow, what perfect timing this was, because I could have easily missed that whole section. And so I just want to, I'm just so grateful for divine like, I think that, like, there's divine appointments and divine interventions in a non-church way, guys, but we're meant to be in each other's lives and this book. Okay, so I guess, in case people don't know who you are, maybe we should do a quick like, who are you? Because we have new listeners, right? Hi, new listeners. You're going to want to go back to the other two. We're going to link them in the show notes. But can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Celeste Holbrook 4:57  Yes, absolutely. So my name is Dr. Celeste Holbrook, I am a sex educator, and I have a PhD in health behaviors with a postgraduate emphasis in sexual behaviors. So I help people, a lot of women and lots of couples, figure out how to make sex better, whether that is they are experiencing pain or they're experiencing shame from growing up in like, ultra religious household, or they just need, like, some help through menopause or through after having a baby or things like that. So I am your very practical sexual health help. That's what I do. Lesley Logan 5:38  I love it the practical because, you know, like, I will say, having lived in L.A. and going to different sex shops, you don't look like the person who works the sex shop. Celeste Holbrook 5:48  No, no. Lesley Logan 5:50  Not to like, like to stereotype. But there's a, there would be a type that, like, works at the sex shop, and it's not you.Celeste Holbrook 5:56  Yeah, no, it's not me. And I just want to be super accessible, because not everybody wants to, like, swing from the chandeliers all the time. You know, a lot of people are out there just struggling to find the time to connect. Like, I cannot tell you how many times I have had a conversation about what to do with the dog in your bedroom when you want to have sex so the dog's not looking over at you or jumping on the bed, or, like, these are the practical applications that we are talking about in sex education in my consult sessions.Lesley Logan 6:27  Yeah, well, and because, because I think everyone's just so overwhelmed, like I saw something, and someone's stories, and they're like, went to their friend, their niece's like, soccer game, and she's like, looking around just like, no wonder no one's having sex. Like everybody is at the soccer game and they're exhausted, and then get the soccer game they're fighting about to do or you forgot the thing. Like, no, no answer. But nobody wants to have sex after this. Celeste Holbrook 6:53  No, no. Why would you want to have sex after that? Exactly right. That's exactly right, yep. Lesley Logan 6:59  So, so I want to touch on, like, there's a lot of different chapters, and maybe this is something that your book covers, but like, there's, you know, I think when we're younger and like, it feels like it's easier to do things, maybe, and then you get older, and like, there's more responsibilities and there's more stuff to think about. And like, it becomes something that goes away, and then your hormones change. So, in your book, do you cover, like, the journeys that were all going on, or is it more specifically for people from the purity culture, like, what? What were you excited to write about?Celeste Holbrook 7:30  Sure. So the book is called, I have the manuscript and printed out right here. It's called Missionary Position: A Slightly Irreverent Guide to Sex After Purity Culture. So I do take the approach of, like you growing up in a purity culture background, in, like, a high demand religion background, evangelical culture, things like that. But the book is in four parts. So like a four-part guide to basically healing, and you can apply these steps to any issue you are having in sex. So, yes, I do talk quite a bit about the effects of purity culture and how to overcome those effects. But it can, you can apply it to, you know, the trauma you had from a sexual assault. You can apply it to just the doldrums of being married to the same old penis for like, 20 years or whatever, you know, like you can apply these steps to anybody. So basically, there's four steps, and I have made them into archetypal women. So your first step is your analyst. She's like, the nerd she's looking at, like, okay, what are we carrying around? What does your backpack look like that you're carrying around? Is it full of shame? Is it full of neglect? Is it full of fear? Like she's the analyst. Your second archetypal woman is your assassin. She's she is taking what the analyst has found, and she is just like, slicing through it, right? She's your assassin. She's your inner assasin. She's your deconstruction, basically. Your third archetypal woman is your healer. So after you've done the work of understanding what's in your backpack, slicing out what needs to go, then your healer starts helping you regenerate your ideas about sex through a gentle reeducation. So we're relearning about some things that maybe we have always thought one way about. Maybe we're relearning about the idea of virginity. We're relearning the I about masturbation. We're relearning about what great sex is, right? The healer is our gentle reeducation, and then our fourth archetypal women woman is our explorer, and she's like, gonna try some new things. She's gonna go to the sex toy store, she's going to touch herself in a new way, and maybe, if that's too much, maybe she's gonna try sex with the lights on, right. And so these are the four women. They represent four steps, and within each step there are some really practical things that you can do to help move you to the next step. So you can apply this to any issue you're having in sex, and get to the other side where you're trying, you're you're now exploring, you're trying new things.Lesley Logan 10:12  I that's a way. I mean, well, like an archetype. I like that. And I've, you've been on my mind a lot lately, because society is quite interesting right now, like the trad wife situation. I'm like, that looks really beautiful. Like, I would love, like, I have white countertops. I'd love them to clean all the time. I'm certainly not capable of doing it. But I'm like, I don't know that. I think they're doing a really good job marketing a beautiful esthetic without realizing, like, all the stuff that comes with that, you know, like, all the religious stuff that comes with that, and how that can harm how we feel about our bodies. And I, I like, was raised in purity culture, and I didn't think it affected me. I'm like, I'm good. But actually, no, actually, I remember, like, I remember, oh, it does, because you're like, you think that you're like, oh, I'm on that. I'm that doesn't affect that like you, you start to realize, even if you weren't raised in church, just the way that public school systems have appropriated some of the modesty rules, like what you're told, what you can wear to school and and how thick this the tank top strap can be, and you can't be disruptive, even though the boys' pants are halfway down their legs, and I'm looking at underwear all the time. You know, I think that even for people who weren't raised where they're told, like, your father has you until you're given away to someone else, there is some level where all of us were affected by like, don't be a distraction. Don't, make sure you don't wear that so you don't look like a certain like you're not attracting bad people, you know, that kind of a thing.Celeste Holbrook 11:44  Yeah, I totally agree, Lesley. I think that there's very few people in the United States that have a great, comprehensive, inclusive sex education. I think very few of us. I think this is changing, and hopefully with, you know, recycle breaking next and next generations, but American society in general wants to put sex on either end of a spectrum. We want to either like, don't think about it. Don't talk about it. This is not for you until you are reaching a certain age or marriage or whatever, and then on the other side is like, why aren't you liberated enough to have all to do all these things you know, like, so there's these two, like, ends of the spectrum, and all of us really live in the middle. Yeah, none of us is really on either side at all, but we but it like breaks America's brain to try and think about, like, living outside of one of those two spectrums. So I talk about in the book about the non, about the non-binary. We are not binary people. As far as what we want to do in our sex life, and figuring out, how do you live in the middle area, which we often call gray, but I call glitter. Yes, it's the most fabulous place to live is in the middle, in this glittery middle, where you get to define your own sex ethic based on your value system, on your intuition, on your sex education, and you get to decide what works best for you. And maybe that is boundaries around when you have sex awesome, as long as it's your choice that's amazing. And maybe that is opening your relationship up and trying swinging or whatever it is that's awesome as long as it's your decision and not one manipulated by society or cultural values or religious values.Lesley Logan 13:27  Yeah, I think that's, I think I like to think about that even this thing, it's, you're right, it's America, it's people like, I'm in Pilates industry. And I said something the other day where I was like, well, you can say that, but it doesn't like, there's also the idea that we could prepare people for an exercise, right? And this person, like, went off on me, and I was like, so you need to understand that what you're mad about me is what you're doing here. Second, Pilates is not black or white. It's not this or that. It's a lot of gray. It's a lot of glitter, like glitter. It's like, because our bodies are different and where we are in our practice, where we are in our life, maybe what season we're in, maybe you're in a season of young children, it's going to be very different what you're wanting and ready for, and have the capacity to take on versus they're teenagers and out of the house and really don't care where you are versus you don't have kids at all. Like, there's all these different seasons. And I think we are like, oh, this is how I've always liked it, so this is how I have to keep liking it. Celeste Holbrook 14:25  Yes, yes, that's so wise, Lesley, that's so wise. I think there are a lot of and we talked about this in our last on our last podcast together, a lot of the similarities between what happens in sex and what happens in like a Pilates, a workout space or Pilates space, as far as how we view our bodies and what we feel is like, right, or what we feel is appropriate, I guess, for our bodies like I should be wanting this, because that's what I did when I was 27 or I should be looking like this, because that's what I looked like when I was whatever, 30 or whatever. And I think there's lots of room to allow ourselves compassion to grow as we grow in our sex life, in our workouts and whatever, expecting your sex life to look the same when you are 20 and 30 and 50 and 70 is not helpful for you, and so allowing it to mature as you mature is the most helpful thing that you can do for yourself, I think, when, when it comes to your sex life. Lesley Logan 15:28  Yeah, we'll keep talking about this, it'll come up. But I do, I do want to go back to like, the journey of this book, because this book has been in you for a really long time. And I think whether or not people want to write a book, you can insert goal, whatever your goal is, because you we will all in trying to get something out into the world or get something that we desire done, hit roadblocks. So you hit some roadblocks. Can we talk about, how many years of roadblocks? Can we talk about what you like, what kind of roadblocks you were hitting and, like, how did you keep going? Because quite honestly, I'm surprised you even told the story, you know what I mean, like, I'm surprised you didn't go, okay, well, that's that, the door, the door has been slammed shut.Celeste Holbrook 16:12  Yeah, yeah. And I really appreciate you asking this, because I know sex is really fun to talk about, but this is, like, my personal, like, lifelong dream is to have a book, and it feels really, I feel really seen when you ask about the process of it, and when I think about the be it, you know, be it till you see it, bold, executable. I think I'm getting this right, intrinsic, targeted, so I think about my word for this year was bold. So that was like, my like, I gotta be more bold. I want to say what I want to say. I don't want to be making myself smaller anymore. So the story behind the book, I have always thought about writing a book. I myself am a slow reader. I don't read very fast, and I for a long, long time I thought I was dumb because I don't read very fast, which is silly when I think about it now, but all growing up, I was slower than all of my friends reading. It was frustrating to read. And I've just, I like, I was still a good student. I still did all of the things that I needed to do, but I just, I just took time. I just took more time to write, to read all of those things, and I think in part, that's what made me get a PhD, because I wanted to prove to myself that I wasn't dumb. Turns out, I'm not dumb. I just am. I need to go at my own pace. And so one of the things that you talk about a lot on the podcast is like, how do you prioritize yourself? I prioritize myself by allowing myself to go at my own pace, like I can read as slow as I need to read, I can answer emails as slow as I need to answer emails. It's frustrating to me and other people, but at the end of the day, like it, it's honestly who I am. I'm just considerate and slow and thoughtful, and I've learned to like that about myself instead of hate that about myself. So the idea of writing a book was really, like tantalizing to me, but I had a lot of insecurities about my ability to actually do it. I'd written a dissertation, which is I, in my opinion, harder because it's boring. Lesley Logan 18:19  Yeah, yeah, no, that's one of the reasons why I, like, stopped going to school. I was like, I can't write another boring paper.Celeste Holbrook 18:25  Oh, my God. Like, who's reading? Like, my mom didn't even read it. She's like, oh, congratulations. It's like, collecting dust, right? So I had done that, and so I thought, like, well, if I'd written a dissertation, it just take you just take a chunk at a time. I can surely write a book. So in 2000 and let's see 2016, Nate and I was like, Nate, I really want to write a book. I'm going to go to a writer's conference. So he's like, great, let's go. I was like, found one in Hawaii. He's like, even better, let's go.Lesley Logan 18:55  I love, I love when a goal and a tax write off can be in a place you want to go. Celeste Holbrook 19:01  That's right, that's exactly right. We ended up getting a tent. There's like, these glamping tents on Maui that you can get, and it's just, like, really fun. It's like, on the beach, but you still have, like, sort of a bathroom, you know. But so we're, like, we needed to do it on cheap, because we were kind of broke, like, got these glamping tents, and I went to these writers conference during the day, and Nate did whatever during the day was at this writing conference, and it was through Hay House, and there was a contest. So if you went to the writers conference and you wrote a proposal, you could enter it in, and they were going to pick three writers to to give a book deal to, I would, and this is me being so sure of myself. Like, yes, I've spent a lot of time feeling insecure that about my reading and writing. But for the most part, my whole life, I have been, like, with no good reason, confident. Like, I'm just like, I don't know, confident.Lesley Logan 19:53  Yeah. I mean, that's cool. That's a great that's so many people don't inherently have that. I. And like to kind of have that and then use it is a wonderful, it's a wonderful thing. Celeste Holbrook 20:06  Yeah, I just, I just was like, no, I'm gonna get this, you know, I'm gonna write this proposal. People are gonna love it. I'm gonna get this competition. Anyway, long story short, did not win any (inaudible). Lesley Logan 20:16  Oh, I thought this was going towards you won. Oh, my God, she won. It. (inaudible) second look. I automatically just assumed you're gonna slay. So I'm just like, she won.Celeste Holbrook 20:32  This is about closed doors, Lesley. Lesley Logan 20:34  Okay, that's true. That's true. Celeste Holbrook 20:36  Yes. So I did not win. I was for sure I was gonna win, did not win, not even, like, a hello, right? So I was like, oh, maybe I need to work a little harder. So I had this whole proposal. My book was like, looking back, I'm like, I'm so glad that I didn't win. My book was called Sexual Wealth. Lesley Logan 20:54  Oh, yeah, that's that's not you.Celeste Holbrook 20:57  It's not me. I was like, it was like, sex through finance, bro language or something. And I was just like, this is a terrible idea, but the spark was there, like, I really wanted to write a book. So that was 2016 I kind of held onto it, thought about it, kind of put it in a drawer for a while. In 2019 I got on a fairly large podcast with Jen Hatmaker, so she's an author, and she does a lot of work in, like the ex-evangelical space, or had started down that road. So I got on this podcast through just like pitching. I got on this podcast. It's pretty big, big podcast. And not long after that, a person from HarperCollins, like a division of Harper Collins, reached out to me and said, hey, have you ever considered writing a book? So the publisher reached out to me, which is very unusual. Lesley Logan 21:47  That is cool, though. Yes. Celeste Holbrook 21:49  Yeah, yeah, very unusual. Usually, you are pitching to publishers. So they heard me on the podcast, and they were like, hey, you know, we're interested in you submitting a proposal. I'm like, I'm freaking out. Like, this is so exciting, right? I realize I probably need representation, so I get a literary agent. I kind of shop around and get a literary agent. She's amazing, Rochelle, and I end up pitching my proposal. I worked it out, you know, I update it from sexual wealth to something else. I update it, I pitch it, and they're pretty slow. The publishing industry is so slow, you know this, you know this, so slow. Lesley Logan 22:24  I have watched too many of my friends write books. I'm so great. I'm proud of all of them. But also the ones that have gone traditional publishing, it is slow, like molasses moves faster, you guys. That's, you know, like, just don't bet on don't hold your breath.Celeste Holbrook 22:40  Oh my gosh, it's the slowest process of all time. And so I was like, okay, I, you know, they reached out to me. So I'm here in my very confident space, like, oh no, they're gonna laugh. Yeah, they're gonna choose. They reached out to me. Why wouldn't they choose me? At this point, I have like, 1500 followers. I have, like, I have no platform, right? I still have a very small platform, but a bunch of really engaged, lovely humans. So I'm, I'm fairly sure they're going to choose me. Eventually, months and months and months later, they get back to me and they're like, yes, we want it is literally like, I don't know, six months later, they're like, we want to offer you a contract, and we want to go under contract, just small. It's a $20,000 contract. They're gonna pay me 10,000 upfront, and then 10,000 the book publishes. I was like, great, I have to pay out my agent too. So I'm I'm coming home with like, $8,500. I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Just to get one dime to like (inaudible).Lesley Logan 23:36  I mean that you got anything, because it's not, it's not always normal that even a first time writer gets anything until the book sells. So, yeah.Celeste Holbrook 23:44  Yes. So I was thrilled. I was thrilled. So I started writing my little heart out. They don't actually give me anything, a contract or anything, until my my my first draft is due. So I turned in my first draft and then they signed me. So I write the whole book without a contract. So submit the first draft. This is like March of 2020, so keep that in, put to context. Things that are. Lesley Logan 24:08  Things are things are going on. Celeste Holbrook 24:10  Things are going on. What's happening? So I get my first round of edits back. I'm still super excited. And then in July, my agent calls me, and she's like, I hate to have this conversation with you, but your book has been orphaned. Your editor left the company, and nobody else wants to pick it up. Lesley Logan 24:32  No, no. Celeste Holbrook 24:35  Yeah. So this is like, in the big scheme of things, like, it was the way it needed to work out, because they were already giving me feedback. It was the (inaudible) the imprint. And I'm not trying to slander any publishing industry, but this is just what happened to me, right? I was getting feedback of, like, oh, I don't know if you should, like, go that hard. Or I don't know if you should. You might alienate readers. If you talk about religion in this way, or, you know, this is you're gonna lose your Catholic audience. I'm like, I'm not trying to make the Catholics happy. I'm sorry. Lesley Logan 25:12  Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I interviewed, I don't know if it was in my interview, but when I was talking with Daniella Mestyanek Young who wrote Uncultured, she was only allowed to talk about three sexual like, misconduct, things that happened to her, and not even the worst ones. They actually, like, got rid, yes, yeah, they were like, and you can only talk like they she had to. And she's been very vocal about it. She's like, because she was talking about God and all these things and like, like, yeah, you can't really talk about that. And then she was like, you know, saying that she got raped in military. And they're like, so we don't like, maybe we just do only one of those, like, very and so, and she was with a publisher, and she got published, but she it's a watered down version of her story, because apparently readers wouldn't be able to handle the true thing. And it's like, you know, like, we're, how are we supposed to change the world? We don't know what's going on. So anyways, yeah. Celeste Holbrook 26:02  Yeah, I and I heard, I heard that kind of from different places, like, oh yeah. I had to, like, say this instead of that or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, that's a little bit happening to me. And I had written it with the understanding, like, this is for a still Christian audience. I understood this, it was with a Christian publisher. So I'm like, that's fine. Like, as a sex educator, you have to be able to be fluid enough to write to the audience that's in front of you. Like, when I go speak, sometimes I'm in front of really conservative audiences, and I adapt my language. That's fine. Like, that's okay to do. I'm still, I still feel helpful. I still feel like I'm pushing the envelope, but in a way that feels the most accessible for the audience in front of me. So I'm okay adjusting, but also like I didn't, I didn't want to water it down so much that I felt like it wasn't me. Lesley Logan 26:51  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Celeste Holbrook 26:53  So anyway, lost my contract in July 1st of 2020, which was and that whole thing, the whole next two years was really difficult. My husband is an emergency medicine physician and it was just a real hard time in the family, family. Lesley Logan 27:09  Yeah, no, lots, lots going on, lots of stress, lots of worry, lots. Yeah, you're afraid, yeah, you know. So like, you know. So we live where we live, and not everyone believe we're going through certain things. So that's even more stressful. Yeah. Oh, my God, that's a lot. The book, the book hit a wall.Celeste Holbrook 27:26  It hit it hit a wall, and probably had to find time. But I was, I was really, just really sad. Rochelle, my agent, was like, okay, we're just gonna, like, pick it back up. We have this proposal, we have a book written. It's, it'll be easier for another publisher to pick us up. And so we start, like, pitching to these other publishing companies. She has all these connections, you know, she's pitching, pitching, pitching, nothing's landing. I'm getting good feedback back. Like, you know, your platform's too small. That's fair. I started trying to grow it. You know, that's when Instagram was a little easier to grow. Now it's super hard to grow. But started growing it. I went from 1500 to 20,000 you know. Lesley Logan 28:04  That's a big deal, because other 20,000 like, those are not bought, you know, like, yeah.Celeste Holbrook 28:09  No, yeah. And I'm a hard follow. I get that. I have, like, you know, dildos in my videos. Like, I get that I'm not an easy follow. It's not and I'm, you know, Shadow banned all the time, and I get all these notifications that my stuff is not being shown to new audiences. I get that. I get that I'm a hard follow, but that's what publishers want. They want you to have a ready-to-buy platform, which I get. They're trying to make money. But I got a lot of that feedback. I got a lot of, ooh, this is a little it's a little too much for us as a Christian publisher. Like, okay, I get that. And then it was kind of like this line for non, non-Christian publishers, like, we don't really, we don't really talk about religion that much, and then we're not really talking about sex that much.Lesley Logan 29:00  Right? So you're like, too much of the different things for the different people, that's really rough, because it's like, we'll never be everything for anyone, but to not feel like you fit somewhere when you have something to say, that's hard.Celeste Holbrook 29:13  Yeah, yeah, it is really hard. And I think it's what people needed. It's because it's, again, it's the glitter, it's the middle. Like, yeah, I don't fit into either of these spaces. I'm kind of like exploring the middle, right? So that was the feedback I was getting. And finally, we did that for five years, from 2020 to 2025 October of 2025 Rochelle had a call with me, and she's like, honey, I have nowhere else to go. I'm sorry. This has to be the end of it. Bless her. She she did the best that she had, and I am forever grateful for her. But that was it, and that was that's where we're caught up to, where you saw my story, and I was like, just sharing with my audience like I had an unhappy ending, and I'm gonna sit in my sadness right now and just tell you, like life isn't always hunky dory for a sex educator, for anybody, for you for me, and this is where I am right now, and I'm pissed and I'm sad, and the end, right? And then sweet Lesley shows up in my DMs, and she's like, babe, I have this great idea for you. I'm like, okay, so she you send me this information for this company I have a call with, I think Jake who you interviewed. Lesley Logan 30:19  Yeah, Jake Kelfer. Yep, yep, yep. Celeste Holbrook 30:21  I have a call with Jake, and let me tell you, working with them has been and I'm not getting paid for any of this right to for BIB, but working with them has been so healing, so much agency in the process. I got to say exactly what I wanted to say. I got to go at the pace that I wanted to go, like, it was just incredible. Lesley Logan 30:44  So is this book, like a new book? It's not what you're pitching around. It's the glitter you really wanted to write. Celeste Holbrook 30:51  It's the glitter I really wanted to write. Totally different. Yeah.Lesley Logan 30:54  Yes, oh, I love that. And also, like, so, first of all, you guys, did you hear five years? Five years and now we're going on, you know, like, so, yeah, five years and then now big. But here's the other thing, like going through all of those things, you got feedback and made tweaks and did these things. So then when you're writing the book that we're gonna all get to read, I can't even wait to read it. It's the best version of a book that could ever be, because it's really not your first book you've written so manyCeleste Holbrook 31:24  You're so right. And over the course of the years, I changed, as we should. I hope I look back in five years and go like, yeah, I'm a different, new person from who wrote this book. But I was different, and I was more comfortable, like, straight up saying I'm not a Christian anymore. You know, I was more comfortable saying, like, is this a religious book? Yes, because we talk about religion. Do I identify as Christian? No, because of these reasons. Do I think we could learn some stuff from the Bible? Sure. Do I think we're going to talk about the Bible? Yes. I think we have to, because we're talking about purity culture. But I don't, you know, certainly not in 2020 was I willing to be like, yeah, I'm not a Christian, but so much stuff happened between 2020 and 2025, that just took me right on out.Lesley Logan 32:10  Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you on that. I and, you know, like, I have a brother in seminary school, so it's very interesting around here. And I had just said, you know, if, if, the if, all the Christians in the world actually did what Jesus said, like, we would have solved child child poverty and immigration and health care. And, you know, I've had a family member respond, well, if everyone just came to know, and I'm like, no, no, no, that's actually not what the Bible says. Here's the problem, I've read it so like I where I am in my life, which five years ago I was definitely not. Is just like I'm frustrated that a book, any book, has controlled people in such a way that's affecting even their sex lives, but also just lives, the lives of people who didn't even read the book. And so that's where, like, I get upset we don't have to have religious talk on this podcast. But that's that's just where, like, I'm coming from as a person with it. I'm, like, I have a really hard time with it, because it's not a loving world, and it with all the people who say they are, you know, believers. It should be. It should be a very loving world. So, so I think it's really I love. Thank you for sharing the story. This is great.Celeste Holbrook 33:30  Yeah, I totally. I just want to affirm what you're saying. Because I think the the main bottom line for me was it has harmed more than it has helped. Has it helped? Absolutely, there's some really beautiful ways in which Christianity has helped, but has it harmed more than it has helped? I absolutely believe, yes. And so for me, that was the final straw. Do I think Jesus was cool? Yeah. I think He was a radical non-white dude who did really amazing things that we can learn from, right? I believe he saved me from my sins. Not really, but, yeah, that's where I landed. And I was able to say this in in this book, which I would never have been able to do before. Lesley Logan 34:09  Well, also, thank you for sharing it with us, because I also just someone like to see it's a really interesting thing to say, like my husband and I, like go like to say out loud, it's very I don't want to speak for him, because, like, maybe it was a different but, like, it's really hard to say out loud when you're like, I don't believe anymore, and you're like, you know?Celeste Holbrook 34:29  Right, it feels really weird. Lesley Logan 34:31  Yeah, it does. But because it's such an identity that you're raised with, and I think going back to, like, that purity culture that your book is about, and by the way, everyone, like, I just want to say, like, even if you haven't been in that, it's, I think that reading about those things really helps me. It makes it helps make the world make sense to me. Like, I read Tia Levings book, A Well-Trained Wife, and I was like, oh, I get it now. I get why they're acting like this. I get why they're thinking this. Because, like, otherwise, you're like looking at people like they're aliens, and you're like, I don't understand. So I also think it can be really impactful to read just to understand, what are people thinking? What are they going through? Why is it harder for some people to have great sex, or want to have great sex, or feel comfortable having great sex, than for other people? Celeste Holbrook 35:18  Yeah, I totally agree with you. It's so fun, interesting. Most of couples that I talk to, most of them are straight couples, heterosexual couples, and a lot of times, the woman in the partnership will, you know, talk about sex in one way, and the man in the partnership will talk about sex in a different way. And just like, I just don't get it. If it feels good, why wouldn't you want to do it? And so when we kind of like, deconstruct and explain, like, well, she's been taught that sex is dangerous her whole life, and so her nervous system feels on alert, even when there are good things in the future to come with that sexual experience. So to have to overcome this idea of fear and danger in your nervous system, just to get to the beginning of arousal is a whole different ball game than you who starts at arousal, and because it feels very regulating, like, I lean into arousal because it feels regulating as a straight man who's raised in America, and so like, just being able to, like, if you're a dude who picks up this book, It might help you understand the women in your life a little bit better, even if they didn't grow up in purity culture. Most of us grew up with the idea that sex is going to harm us. Lesley Logan 36:28  Yeah, yes. Well, I mean, like, yeah, it's like, even if you weren't raised that way, you also, as a woman, were raised like, be fearful of any bad any man who's coming near you, walking up next to you, like, all these different things. And so it is very difficult to just like, let that go. It's not like, it's like, oh, it's Halloween. I can get Todd Kenny from a stranger now, like, this doesn't work like that. You know, like especially because it's like, your whole life these just little things that are being told. I think that's great for men to read. I think that's such a that's a, what a wonderful way to think about it, who this book could be helpful for? I want to take a brief detour, because you said something on your Instagram a bit ago that truly, like, blew my mind and also made so much sense, right? You said, if you're faking an orgasm, you're fawning, right? It's a fawn response. So can we talk about what a fawn response is? And that a little bit, because I think too many women do that. I only say that because I have friends who talk about it and I'm like, I mean, I just wouldn't just would be like, it's not working today, sir.Celeste Holbrook 37:38  Yes, yeah. I mean, I've done it when I was experiencing really painful sex when I first got married, because of vaginismus, because of purity culture, like I did anything to try and get out of the situation, right? So, so a fawn response is something that we do in response to something traumatic. When something traumatic happens, we go into fight, flight, freeze or on. So fawn is I'm pleasing you know this, this circumstance or person in my life, so there are no negative consequences, all right. So when we fake orgasms, and a lot of women have a lot of guilt around doing this, and this is why I posted that, because I want you to feel not guilty about this. I don't want you to do it forever, but I want you to understand why you're doing this. We fawn response an orgasm when we feel overwhelming pressure to have an orgasm when we feel overwhelming pressure to have an orgasm, it's coming from a fragile man who cannot handle or has put too much value on your ability to come as a validation for his ability to be great, right? I put too much pressure on your ability to be to come is a validation of my ability to be good or great. So part of the work has to become men saying like my validation is not wrapped up in her ability to come, without saying, I still can't give her pleasure. It's kind of, it's, it's, it's nuanced, but I really want women to understand when you're fawning, when you're faking an orgasm, you are essentially doing harm reduction. I don't want the negative consequences of his fragility, so I will fake it so I don't have to deal with that. That is easier for me. That is harm reduction.Lesley Logan 39:47  Right, right, right. And one would hope that a conversation or few could be had, like, here's what's going on and here's how I don't want you to feel and here like, yeah, that's probably where you come in. Celeste Holbrook 40:01  Yes, yeah. It's a really delicate situation. I do have lots of times people come in and the female, the woman in the partnership, will be like, hey, you know, this is what's going on, and this is why I want us together to come but to sessions, but like, I don't know how to tell him, like, it's been years and I've been faking it for years, right? Okay, no problem. We don't have to. I don't believe full transparency is always kind. I believe in honesty. I don't necessarily believe in full transparency. Like, you can, you can be really unkind with full transparency, but you can still be honest. Like, hey, I really want to experience a little bit more sensation when we have sex. Can we work on some new techniques? Can I show you how I masturbate? Can we make it slower so I can feel something different? I really want to make my orgasm stronger, right? So we can be clear with what we want going forward without being like, you know what? I faked it for the last 12 years, right? Because that's on you for not for not saying something as well. Lesley Logan 41:08  Yeah? Because that doesn't like, it can only be, it's not anyone's fault. But also, like, they can't change if they don't know, yeah. Oh, you're so brilliant. You're so amazing. Wait, when is the book coming out? When do I get to read it? When can I preorder, like.Celeste Holbrook 41:23  You are so cute. So it'll by the time this drops, it'll already be out, and we'll send links to to upload it, but it comes out on June 10th and so it's right around the corner. Lesley Logan 41:32  Okay, well, I'm gonna pre I'm gonna pre order. I gotta or I'll order on June 10th. So we can make you a number one, Bestselling Author. We get whatever we get to do, so I can write my authenticated review. After buying it, all the things I can't wait. I'll take it with me on tour.Celeste Holbrook 41:49  Thank you. I'm so like, I just like, I'm cheesing so hard because I'm so excited about it. I reread it again this morning, just like as a skim to look at all the layout on the pages. And I'm just so proud of it. I'm so proud of it, like it finally is here.Lesley Logan 42:07  I have so many chills. I'm gonna cry. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break. We're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. Celeste Holbrook 42:14  Okay. Lesley Logan 42:15  All right, Dr. Celeste Holbrook, where do you hang out? You said Instagram. Is there anywhere else? What links? What input handles? Where can they go to buy the book is it on your website, all the things.Celeste Holbrook 42:25  Yes, the book is on the website, but you can buy it the most easily on Amazon. If you do, please leave a review that would be really helpful. And you can go to my website to get into Pleasure Club. That's my monthly subscription where we have a sex ed session every month and a book club session every month we flip between fiction and nonfiction books, which is really, really fun. Lesley Logan 42:44  Oh, fun. I know Brad and I got into the, of course, like everybody in the world, we got into the the dragon situation, yeah. Okay, every. Celeste Holbrook 42:52  Fourth wing? Lesley Logan 42:53  Yeah, yes. Fourth wing, the second one, the third one. You guys, we actually reread the first and second one to listen to the third one, we're going to go back through all three. Highly recommend it with your, with your partner. I think it's a great she writes good sex stories. They don't it's not super cheesy. So I really like them. Celeste Holbrook 43:13  I love that. I think this revolution. I mean, people have been reading Roman ensembles forever, but I think it's really healing. I actually wrote about this in my newsletter this week. Reading sex scenes through a female lens is really, really healing and really helpful, because it it gives you the confidence to be like, oh, I can ask for that, or I can wait for that, or I can ask to slow down or speed up, or whatever, and I can expect somebody to listen and garner consent and all of those things. So reading sex scenes through the female lens or listening to them, I think, is very, very helpful. Celeste Holbrook 43:46  Yeah, yeah. Anyways, I got distracted from your book club. So what's your website again? What's your handle? Celeste Holbrook 43:53  So you can find me at Dr. Celeste Holbrook on Instagram, on and on YouTube, and my web, my website. drcelesteholbrook.com. I just had like a whole mind blowing, like I was thinking about sex scenes written through the female Iens and I couldn't I couldn't go back. Yeah.? So, drcelesteholdbrook is where you can find me almost anywhere. Dr Celeste Holbrook. Lesley Logan 44:14  Perfect, yeah. Sorry, I have an ADHD brain. Lesley Logan 44:16  I love it. I love it. Lesley Logan 44:18  Bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us this time? Celeste Holbrook 44:23  Oh, well, something we talked about already earlier. But the way that I am best executable is actually just to go at my own pace, even though it's slow.Lesley Logan 44:32  Yeah. Oh, I love that. I really do love that. And I also, you mentioned, like, the prioritizing of self. That's one of the ways you did it. I wanted to acknowledge like when you sat in your car and you shared that something had come to an end, that is also a way of prioritizing yourself, because you're feeling your feelings, and you're also letting people know that you're feeling these feelings, like we don't have to, like pretend around people, so just thank you for being you, and always for, you are always in the word gets misused, but you are so authentic and so authentic and just, I really feel like I've it's been so fun over the past five years to watch you grow with what you're doing and how you're educating people and how you're supporting people. And so I'm just so grateful to be on your journey. I can't wait to read your book. I'm so stoked for you. This is the coolest thing. And and you guys, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? Please tag Dr. Celeste Holbrook, send this to a friend. Here is the deal, not all friendships talk about sex, so one of the things you can do is just send the podcast or the book. You don't have to have the if you're not there yet, that's okay. But I think like, the more, the more women hear about all these different things that could be glitter, the more life we're living and the more fun we're having, the more we feel seen. So just thank you so much for being you, Dr. Celeste Holbrook.Celeste Holbrook 45:53  Lesley, you are the reason this book exists. I cannot thank you enough. Thank you so much for having me in your life and on your podcast. And someday, someday we will hug each other in real life.Lesley Logan 46:03  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We will. It'll happen. I think this winter tour, I feel it in me. All right, you guys, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:12  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Lesley Logan is bringing you a quick dose of inspiration this Friday with three simple affirmations to say before bed, each one designed to foster gratitude, release negativity, and set a positive intention for the day ahead. You'll also hear community wins from Ainsley that prove when there's a will, there's a way, plus Lesley's personal win on how she embraced spontaneity. This episode is a reminder to make room for joy, connection, and possibility in your everyday life.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Three bedtime affirmations to inspire gratitude, release, and intention.How guided meditations can improve your sleep quality.Ainsley's creative wins toward funding her goals and serving her clients.Why planning the “how” is key to making dreams happen.The surprising joy in saying yes to last-minute adventures. Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions3 Affirmations To Say Before Bed - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH_tzyRuRwQMantra by Dr. Caroline Leaf - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIy9jd3MyZr If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe, how are you? Welcome to our Friday episodes, the FYF, the Fuck Yeah Friday, the inspiration station, the quickie hit that you need to remember that you don't have to be perfect. You're great the way you are, and being it till you see it is a process. Yay. I'm so happy you're here. So, I'm super, super excited, because I'm this has really inspired me. So it's something three things to say before you go to bed, and maybe this came across your feed, but if not, I'll put in the links below. All right. Number one, an affirmation of gratitude, thank you for all the blessings in my life, big and small. Number two, an affirmation of release. I release all negativity from today and welcome calm into my being. An affirmation of intention. I am ready to wake up as a magnet for abundance, peace and clarity. Let's say that one more time. This is the third thing to say before bed. I am ready to wake up as a magnet for abundance, peace and clarity. I will say I didn't put this as a win, but I recently started listening to meditations before bed, like these sleep meditations that are guided you have to find a voice that you like. But I do like listening to the abundance ones. I actually sleep so deeply. So anyways, I'm really, really loving it. I used to be like sleep music, and now it's not sleep music because my ADHD doesn't like certain sounds that are coming through. So anyways, all right, that inspired me. I hope you can use those. Again, the link will be in the show notes, so you can actually screenshot those and then put them somewhere before your bed, so you don't have to, like, look at your screen, because that'd be really great. Like, like, write them up on Post-Its. Lesley Logan 2:13  All right, win of yours is something we do. So this one, we're gonna do a bunch from our lovely Ainsley, just because I she sends in so many and I love that Ainsley keeps sending them in. You guys, you can send your wins in to be beitpod.com/questions. You can put a question for the podcast, for us to answer or your wins. And I really do enjoy hers, because they're so thoughtful and from the heart. I also have known Ainsley for so many years, and it's just so fun to see how she has, how all these wins have helped her become who she is today, and how she uses these wins to just keep propelling new things. So she said, all booked into summer camp and day pass weekend, great lineup, and excited to fill my cup realize how close and April is. So I've been inspired to put some thoughts down for an end of May or June event, two new mat clients started up and signed up, and I got a beautiful message from a newish client saying how Pilates changing her life. She now feels alive again. And spring clean, totally inspired by a member here to clear out some clutter. I heard a new client of mine say sells preloved clothes. She popped around about and bought a chunk to resell and gave me 330 pounds for it. Could I have earned more doing it myself? Yes, but I opted to cherish the time and spend that time working on my business, instead. I am so grateful that she walked off with two big bags, and that money is going to go towards my Vegas eLevate trip. Where there's a will, there's a way, and she'll be back in August to buy winter. I've been asked to, by my clients to have some online classes for them to buy so they can keep moving when they are traveling. Exciting. Now I need to figure out the simplest way to do this. What fun wins. So many good ones in there, Ainsley. I mean, it's just really, what I love about you is that you don't go, oh, I can't afford that. Oh, I can't do that. You're like, no, I want to do this thing. I feel called to do this thing. How do I do this thing? Right? And I hear this, I'm not gonna include myself in that. I hear a lot of people go, oh, I'd love to do that, but, you know, maybe next year, or in two years, where I can't. And it's like you can say that. You can say, oh, I'll do it next time, but if you don't put a plan behind how next time is going to happen, you won't do it the next time. I know, I have the same events every single year, and I have people here who go, oh, next time, oh next time. And it's like, at the next time, I'm like, hey, you said next time, like, oh, I can't this time. How about next time? It's like, until you make a plan, you won't. So if there's a will, there's a way, and when you have a will, you plan the way. And so I love that you're like, I'm gonna clean up my clothes. And yes, I can make more money if I do it myself. But she'll do it. She's an expert at it. And so everyone wins. You win. You get time to work on your business, which can make more money, and then they get to do something. I love wins like that. So thank you, Ainsley, for sharing that with us, because I bet you inspire someone to clear out their closet and sell their stuff. Lesley Logan 4:55  All right, my win. So this already happened, because I'm recording this before this happened, and I'm recording this before we leave on our tour, because I got to get ahead of these things. So this win is a couple months old, but I love sharing your wins that are older and my wins that are older, because we get to remind ourselves when these episodes come out, like, oh, I had that amazing win so long ago. Oh, I can do epic things. So I was like, oh, I'm so excited for June to be a travel-free month. I can't even wait. And my husband went on a camping trip, and he took the dog and, like, I had the house to myself, and he comes back and he's like, what days can you go camping? And as I call on all these weekends, and I was I said yes to a weekend. I said, yeah, I could do that weekend, but thinking, no way it's gonna happen, because it's like, in three weeks from when he asked and two weeks from when that weekend was coming to pass, he's like, hey, the boys can go camping that weekend. So we're gonna go camping that weekend. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I don't want to do that. But I also was like, had said yes, I'd go. And of course, I want to camp with these people. I want to be with my friends. So I am celebrating this as a win. I said yes to a trip with two weeks to go. I said yes to a trip with two weeks ago. And you know what, it got, if you listen to the wins at the end of this month, one of the things that I was like, okay, I'm gonna just say, I'm just gonna go and not go. You just go I can't, like, I'm gonna go. One, I want to see these people like, it's it's not easy when you're an adult, to spend time with friends, especially friends who don't live where you are. So I'm gonna go because then I could spend time with friends. Two, I'm gonna go because I can call it my reconnecting day to nature because there's gonna be, over those two and a half days over there, there's gonna be seven, almost 24 hours where I'm not gonna be on my phone for sure, so I don't have the tech time, but I get to go hiking, which is a win that I had recently. Like, hey, we can go hiking there. You know, it's a different place to hike and I won't get bored of going to the place we're hiking now. So I said yes, because there's all these different things about it, but mostly I wanted to be, I want to be a person who can say yes to things that are last minute, you know. And I know you're like, two weeks in the last minute. It is when you're planning a camping trip. It is when you're Brad and I, when you have to plan a ton of stuff, like to be able to go on a trip. We have to make sure that, you know, we're not affecting the eLevate calendar, we're not affecting the Agency calendar, we're not affecting the OPC filming calendar. We're not affecting, like, there's all the things, right? I don't want to work on a weekend when I'm camping. I want to be able to be off my phone. So I have to make sure that, like, one, I can leave early on a Friday, and two, that everything is done when I go. So I'm just so proud of myself. And so if you needed a win to know that you, too, like saying yes to doing something last minute, brilliant, brilliant win. Way to go. You slide. You should pat yourself on the back for that, because not all people do. Most people just say no, next time, no, next time, and then have no plan for it. Lesley Logan 7:35  So, my love, what are your wins? I want to celebrate them. I want to shout them out here on the podcast. Send them in to beitpod.com/questions. You can also drop your questions for us to answer on the podcast on Thursdays, and send an episode of the Be It Pod that was your favorite to a friend. It's how this episode, the podcast grows, and we can't grow without you. Like, literally, I'd just be talking to myself. So show this podcast with an episode, or an episode you like, with a friend who needs to hear it, and you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:05  Oh, can't go yet. Gotta give you a mantra, holy moly. And I saved this mantra for you. I saved it for you, and I almost let it go. I'm what a habit I'm creating, which is not great. All right, so we're gonna, we're gonna get back on the wagon here with our mantras. And here is the mantra. I also put a link to this one because this one mantra came through on Instagram. It really inspired me. Your purpose is not the thing you do, it's the thing that happens in others when you do what you do. Your purpose is not the thing you do. It is the thing that happens in others when you do what you do. Your purpose is not the thing you do. It's a thing that happens in others when you do what you do. That's from Dr. Caroline Leaf. Brilliant, beautiful. No notes. Okay, now you can go and Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 8:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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From redefining “good” and “bad” habits to learning how empathy shapes teaching, Lesley and Brad recap their conversation with yoga teacher Anthony Benenati—founder of City Yoga, California's first Anusara studio, and now leads That's Not Yoga®. With over three decades of experience, Anthony has built a philosophy of meeting students where they are. Together they explore how ego, anger, and even curiosity can open the door to practice, and why the stories we carry and the language we use hold the power to shape growth. This episode invites you to pause, reflect, and ask: is this serving me?If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Anthony's teaching shaped his philosophy of fitting yoga to the students.Brad's early yoga mishaps and how they reframed his view of the practice.Feeling like an "outsider" in Pilates and how sharing built deeper connections.Why empathy is the real skill teachers need in guiding students.Why desire, knowledge, and action are the non-negotiables for growth.Episode References/Links:UK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comeLevate Program - https://lesleylogan.co/elevateSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsAnthony Benenati's Website - https://thatsnotyoga.comGuilt vs. Shame by Brene Brown - https://brenebrown.com/articles/2013/01/15/shame-v-guiltTiny Habits: The Small Changes That Change Everything by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/22NIHEI If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  There's a difference between saying something is bad and to lead to I'm bad, and asking yourself, is it serving me? If the answer is yes, fuck what people think. If it's a yes, and tomorrow it's a yes, and then the next week it's a yes, and then next month it's a no, then you make a change. Lesley Logan 0:22  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:05  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the authentic convo I had with Anthony Benenati in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you've missed out. Brad Crowell 1:16  You definitely missed out. Lesley Logan 1:18  I don't like to go around saying you made mistakes, but you did.Brad Crowell 1:20  You did. Lesley Logan 1:24  You don't suck or anything, but, all right, before I get into that, today is August 28th 2025 and it is National Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day. And on this day, of course, it's gonna say Rainbow Bridge twice. So the death of a beloved pet, whether it's the family dog, a furry kitty, or something a little more obscure, is a sad occasion. Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day on August 28th is the day that we remember the pets that are no longer with us. Whilst the pain of losing a pet, you can't laugh while we're talking about dead dogs, babe, but we are laughing because Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day is a day we remember our pets. We got that from remembrance, you know, like we got it, okay, anyways. Whilst the pain of losing a pet somewhat heals over time, they're never forgotten, and today is their day. The day was founded by author Deborah Barnes as a way for people to share their memories of the pets that they have lost, whether it's a dog, a hamster or a snake, or, you know, anything in between. Oh, maybe this is the day that we maybe actually like say it. Brad Crowell 2:32  That's what I was thinking. Lesley Logan 2:34  Okay, well, do you want to say it?Brad Crowell 2:36  Yeah, I do. Also, I think it's great that it's in the month of August. Lesley Logan 2:40  I know it's like we knew. Brad Crowell 2:42  If you didn't know, Lesley and I have only one dog now, and it's been a couple of months that we lost August as well. And when I say as well, what I mean is last year, we lost Gaia towards the end of the year, and then about six months later, we also lost August, and that was really, really challenging, and not something that we talk about very often.Lesley Logan 3:08  I know well, because there's a difference, and I think that's what was important about this day. And like, if you needed this day, it's like, there's something it was something easier. I mean, it felt really hard at the time when we had to, like, make a day to say goodbye to Gaia, you know, like we, we knew for years the day was coming, and we could see it was time. And we had a different situation with August, where it was just like, oh. Brad Crowell 3:33  It was unexpected. It was sudden. Lesley Logan 3:35  This is happening to this is happening today, and that's, that, like, that's just not enough time for your brain to like, not that we miss him differently, but we, I do, like, it's just a different grief. It felt like a different grief. Brad Crowell 3:48  It felt like a different grief. I felt like with Gaia, I had a lot more opportunity to say goodbye ahead of time, you know. And then when when it was gone, it was fond memories. With August, it felt like shock and sadness.Lesley Logan 4:11  Yeah, yeah. I mean, with and with her, like, I felt like, okay, she's gonna be better. Because, like, she was just having a hard time being alive. And he was so young, so that just felt like it was it was hard, it was awful. We didn't talk about it, because there's when you when you share, that someone passes away, or a pet passes away, there's an outpouring of love because of this world we live in. Like, you can say what you want about the negative sides of social media. But the positive sides are like, insane. It's like, it's like the people from your life 10 years ago, and because people have had pets like, they feel it. When you lose a pet and you see someone like you feel that loss with them. Because you know what it feels like and like, in no way were we capable of handling any I'm sorry, like I couldn't and, like, even now we're getting teary eyed. So anyways, we have one amazing dog, and we, if you know this about OPC, well, all of our companies do a little donation to a charity. It's built into all of our products and our profit margins and OPC, this year, I chose a dog charity down because they get like, 500 animals, like, a week, and like, they're trying really hard to be a no kill shelter, and I, and we can't I, like, literally, look at dogs Brad, like, look at this one. Like, we're gonna, like, we're gonna take this on. And as much as, like, oh, that fills this hole. Then I'm, like, it doesn't fill the hole. So, like, anyways, National Rainbow Bridge Remembrance Day to for from our hearts to all of yours who've lost a pet, it's so hard. So anyways, okay, so in other news. Brad Crowell 5:51  In other news.Lesley Logan 5:52  We are back from our tour, as you heard last time, but we are literally leaving in like four days to go to the U.K., and we opened up ala carte workshops, which means that if you can't take a whole day off with us, it's quite possible there is a spot left in a workshop. So we just took the day passes and allowed people to buy a workshop. So there might be one or two workshops that you can snag your spot. And so go to opc.me/uk because we're going to be in Essex and Leeds, and I don't know when we'll be back teaching in the U.K., but I know we're gonna be there now, and it's gonna be so much fun. There's some great workshops. There's some business ones, there's some Pilates ones. They're for people who like us and love us and just wanna learn with us who are really, absolutely amazing. So thank you to our hosts from The Movement Base and Chapel Allerton Pilates. Then we come back and like, two weeks later, we leave for Chicagoland. We're going to be at a Balanced Body's POT and I'm teaching the Joe's gyms there. Brad is going to have, like, Brad just now was helping me with the booth, and that's it's in Burr Ridge, but they call it Chicagoland, and I like that. And from Chicagoland, we're going to go to Cambodia. And you know what? We've had people last minute join us, like we said, you could join like, two weeks before. So, crowsnestretreats.com, if you are feeling ambitious and wanting to get the heck out of town because there's a lot going on and maybe you just want to take a break. So, crowsnestretreats.com. And then what? Brad Crowell 7:16  Well, we're actually working on lighting up a workshop and some classes in Singapore right now. Lesley Logan 7:21  I know. Brad Crowell 7:22  Which would be awesome. We'll see. You know, I would say at this point, if it hasn't come together, then we have a problem. If you're listening to this now, but right now we're working on it when we're recording this. So we're gonna say, yeah, it happened. It definitely happened. We got a workshop coming in Singapore.Lesley Logan 7:39  It's going to happen because, hello. I mean, it's not very often Singapore that I have a layover during daylight hours. Brad Crowell 7:44  That's right. Lesley Logan 7:44  And so we're gonna make there's people who want it.Brad Crowell 7:46  It's gonna be awesome, yeah. But anyway, we've been looking at different venues right now, and we're lining it all up. So yeah. And then after we get back from Singapore, we actually are home for about a month, which is quite nice to to chill out. We some family coming into town, and then we go on our winter tour for OPC, where we're driving another 8000 miles this year. Last year, we did 8200 over the winter. This year is going to be less miles more stops. Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 8:20  Okay. Brad Crowell 8:21  Less miles, more steps, but it's gonna be awesome. We are stoked. Lesley Logan 8:24  You know what's really funny, guys? Okay, so the team, like, I see the map, I see where we're going, I give some inputs on some places. I'm like, yeah, I'll do that, whatever. But then they don't actually always tell me, like, all the events we're doing. So like, this week, all the private events that, because, like, studios that host us can also, like, hire us for an event, just for their team, right? So there's a public class and a public workshop, and then sometimes there's a private workshop. And apparently there's a lot more than workshops that I thought on the summer tour. So I am interested to see this winter tour. I expect lots of gifts and lots of hugs, but we'll announce the winter tour in October. So if you are in Cambodia with us, you'll hear it all announced. Brad Crowell 9:03  Yes, you will. Lesley Logan 9:04  Okay before we get into Anthony's incredible episode. What is the question of the week?Brad Crowell 9:10  Yes, great. So I don't actually know how to say this, netamenashe, yeah, netamenashe. there you go, on Instagram, she asked, Hey Lesley, do you do any Zoom sessions sometimes? Lesley Logan 9:27  Sometimes I do. Brad Crowell 9:28  Sometimes.Lesley Logan 9:29  That's true. Yeah. Who gets them? It's gonna sound like I'm an asshole, but the people who get Zoom sessions with me are people who are in my mentorship program, to be completely honest. I don't have a lot of hours in a week that I can teach because of we run OPC, you run Profitable Pilates, you know, and we do have the mentorship program, so the limited times that I have are for those in that program. And then sometimes OPC members get access to that calendar. But basically, as you can hear, no one publicly gets access to those things. So as much as I love to teach the world on Zoom, that the way I can do that is through OPC actually, because we have a monthly live class, and I can look, we can hang out afterwards, and I can look at your form. I can answer your questions. You don't even have to come to the live class when I look at your form, you can submit videos, and I can give you feedback. So if you're wanting me to give you feedback on some exercises, be an OPC member. If you're a teacher, you can go through eLevate we only have a few spots there, where OPC, it's obviously as many people. Brad Crowell 10:28  Open to the world. Lesley Logan 10:28  Open to the world and. Lesley Logan 10:29  But yeah, I mean, with eLevate, if you, if you're actually looking for a specific feedback on your practice and you want to really grow, Neta, you should be considering eLevate. It's for teachers. It's a nine-month program. It's like, consider it like going and getting a master's degree somewhere. It's very in depth, in in in what it covers. It's going to run through everything that Lesley learned from Jay Grimes, who studied with Joe. So you're going to be covering 500 exercises. It's going to be amazing. During that time, your your personal practice will significantly grow, and you'll also have, Lesley will be, you know, watching your practice during those nine months, too. So that's like, the best way to make that happen. Just reach out, or go to lesleylogan.co/elevate and or you can book a call. I'm super happy to hop on a call and just say, what's up, you know.Lesley Logan 11:21  I mean, I it's like a it's a great problem to have. And I actually used to teach this long I've been teaching online. I used to teach on Skype, and I used to teach people all over on Skype. Brad Crowell 11:30  2015, '16, '17 Skype.Lesley Logan 11:33  Yeah, Skype, oh, my God. Or sometimes Facebook, sometimes Facebook Messenger, because Skype wasn't working, or whatever, like, it was so, but I was, like, anything that has a video I can teach on it. And, you know, but, yeah, I think, like, we do have some great opportunities to work together in person between the tours and Cambodia, and then the online stuff is, you know, you I all love. Brad Crowell 11:56  That's another great one. You could come with us to Cambodia, Neta, where you'll be doing five classes with Lesley during the retreat. And obviously, you know, it's, it's not a large group. So you can come there and be in person. Lesley Logan 12:10  Yeah. So you guys send in your questions. You can, like, you'll literally hear honest feedback and answers. And we love answering them. Like, I just, I want, I want, I want I want questions about your wedding, I don't know. Like, give me some good ones. Go to beitpod.com/questions to submit them, or text us at 310-905-5534, it doesn't yet mean Be It Pod, but we're getting to.Brad Crowell 12:34  No it's not gonna mean Be It Pod anytime soon. So I love that your wishful thinking here it's, you know, low on the list.Lesley Logan 12:41  Being it till I see it. Brad Crowell 12:43  Lower on the priority list. Lesley Logan 12:47  All right, all right. Brad Crowell 12:49  Love you. Lesley Logan 12:49  Love you too.Brad Crowell 12:51  Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into one of my really dear friends who I've now known for more than a decade, and he he's just inspirational in multiple ways, being a yogi, but also, you know, he's a philosopher too. So cannot wait to dig into this convbo that you have with Anthony Benenati. You're really going to enjoy. If you haven't already gone back and listened to that, you should, but yeah, looking forward to it. Stick around we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 13:19  Right. Let's talk about Mr. Anthony Benenati. A professional yoga teacher with over 32 years of experience. Before stepping into yoga, Anthony served in the Air Force and worked in a comp as a competitive power lifter. I don't know if he worked at it, but he was a competitive power lifter, which left him with shoulder and knee injuries. In fact, you know, he he told me when he was younger, he couldn't even touch his toes, you know, and today he's like, you know, obviously been doing yoga for three decades. He founded City Yoga, which was California's first on a Sora studio, and he now leads, That's Not Yoga. That's his website, thatsnotyoga.com. He he's actually also done a lot of business stuff, and like because he sold studios and then he taught for other people, and he's done workshops and holds retreats, all sorts of stuff. Anthony's philosophy is to fit yoga to the student, making sure the practice leads to transformation and healing, not to suffering. And he teaches students to listen to their bodies every day, meeting themselves where they're at, with their openness and compassion, and yeah I think that is a really great summary of, you know, who he is. But I would also say he rides a motorcycle, he drinks beer, he curses. He's fucking cool and hip, and that's one of the things that that I connected with him the most about is because I had this preconception of what's a yogi. Lesley Logan 14:45  I mean, your first class was, like a per tip, like a bit like, like the typical yoga instructor, like this little, soft spoken older lady.Brad Crowell 14:52  No, no, no, no, no. I had my well, so that, so that was the first teacher that I actually learned from, and she was super sweet and nice. But yes, the class was literally for, like, elderly people. And I was like, teach me the foundations. And I liked the class because she let her students ask questions during class. And I was like, I don't understand this pose. How does it work? And it effectively was like. Lesley Logan 15:14  In case you haven't noticed, Brad, you guys, Brad literally interrupts all classes to ask questions. Like, like, all classes, he has questions. He comes on the retreat, and he'll just pop into a class, and then he's got a question. It's like, we actually talked about that yesterday, and you missed class. But okay.Brad Crowell 15:29  So, but my very first class was hilarious, because I'm like, you know, my nickname in yoga class was shark boy, or Mr. Bendy, and I, I've just been I'm a hyper mobile body, so naturally flexible. And I get to my first yoga class ever was a Groupon that I bought, and I showed up for class, and I'm in the middle of, like, 30 or 40 people, and I don't have a clue what I'm doing. I'm watching this guy up in the front, you know, do all the things. And I was like, okay, we're sticking our arm over there. We're shooting, our leg over this way. We're twisting and blah, blah, blah. And at the end of the class, he came up to me, he's like, wow, man, you have a great practice. And I was like, this is my very first class. And it was like, what? And I was like, yeah. And then I left the studio, and I walked out to my motorcycle, and I could not get onto it. Lesley Logan 16:16  You did way too much. Brad Crowell 16:17  Because I hurt myself so bad that I literally had to sit there for like an hour just for my back to not be screaming at me. And I was like, well, yoga is not for me. And I just was like, I'm done. And then I never, you know, like, I never went back, and I, but I, but I had that Groupon right? And so anyway, somehow I ended up using it. And I bought another package somewhere with Anthony, because the studio was convenient and but I only want. Lesley Logan 16:46  Your first class wasn't with Anthony. Brad Crowell 16:47  No, no, my first class was not with Anthony. But like, a year or two later, I was like, I'm gonna give this another try. And I did buy, like, a 10 pack at Anthony's studio, and I use, like, and he didn't have an expiration on it, right? So, and I, but I only use, like, two classes. And then I didn't know yoga for like, years. And then there was a point where I was like, I need to go. I need to go back to class. And I, I called the studio. Had, he had sold it and, you know, so I, I went. I was like, hey, I had this package with the old studio, you know, you know. And I wasn't even taking with Anthony. I had been taking with that lady, that older lady, lady, but I still had packages. It just so happened to be Anthony's studio. I didn't know that, yeah. So when I went back, Anthony was the teacher, and that's how I first met him. And I was like, who the hell is this guy? He's awesome. This is rad and that and then I was like, hooked. I was in. This is probably like, 2014. So I've been dabbling in yoga for like, maybe three years, but not really.Lesley Logan 17:46  I love how two or three times in two years is dabbling.Brad Crowell 17:50  Yeah. Well, with the with the older with the with the older lady, whose name I don't remember, and I feel bad about that. I probably went, you know, I bought a few 10 packs, you know, I went a few times.Lesley Logan 18:00  Okay, it wasn't clear that there's a multiple 10 pack. Brad Crowell 18:02  Yeah. Sorry, sorry I went a few times, like, I had enough foundation (inaudible). Lesley Logan 18:05  Every time I've heard this story it has always had, like, one 10 pack, and it's like, you get a couple of times it's not dabbling.Brad Crowell 18:12  Oh, I went, I went, yeah, I went enough to, like, decide that yoga wasn't gonna hurt me if I knew what I was doing. But, you know, I didn't actually, like, it didn't turn it into a habit or a practice. I just went a few times, and then, you know, it wasn't until, you know, a year later that I went back to redeem the rest of my package that, studio had sold. I didn't even know it. And I was like, well, they're gonna honor it. I already have classes. I'll just go there. And then I happened to pop into a class that was Anthony's, but, wow, that was a long story that has nothing to do with anything. Lesley Logan 18:45  Speaking of Anthony. Brad Crowell 18:45  Yeah, let's shift on, like from your convo, which was deep. Lesley Logan 18:50  It was deep. I knew it would be, I know it'd be so good, but I think for all the teachers, no matter what you teach, this is a really great thing. Anthony says he believes that the most effective teacher is someone who understands how people get to the practice. Brad Crowell 19:03  Well, you just found out. Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, well, but like, right, right, but like, I think this goes to, you know, we coach a lot of Pilates instructors, and they're like, I want to work with an advanced person. All they want to do is lose weight, and it's like, right? And we don't want you to lie to people, but you have to understand what gets people to the practice, so that you can have empathy for them being a beginner, because they should be allowed to be a beginner, and we can't, we don't want them to feel shame for what they think they want in their life, because that's a compilation of years of stories and influence good or bad to, and in the conversation we talked about, there's no such thing as good or bad, but like to to someone. And so how can you really have a lived experience, so that you can in whatever it is you're teaching, so that you can come from a really great place, an honest place, and and be human, you know, like, I think a lot of instructors put themselves upon pedestals, cult leaders and and forget that like you are also in practice when you teach something, that's a practice, right? And so he also said empathy is such an important factor to be a great teacher, you have to put yourself in their shoes. And this is something like, look, of course, I have days where I get tired and I'm like, why don't they just fucking relax and stop trying to be perfect, like I don't understand, like, I'm fucking just, just relax, just be in practice. But also, I know what that is like. I know why they can't do it. I know that they have years of like, being for whatever, like somebody told them that it had maybe the perfection is because it kept the house safe. You know, there's so many different reasons why people seek perfection. They want certainty. They want control, you know.Brad Crowell 20:47  Yeah, I mean, it could be a response from uncertainty in another area of their life, where they feel like this is where I can have certainty, because I know exactly how it's supposed to be, you know. And then, and then it becomes this thing. Lesley Logan 21:00  Yeah, but when I when I like, so when I catch myself, because sometimes, like, I'm like, and it's like, oh, wait, hold on a second. We've like, I've been here. So what, what was I going through? And what actually got me to, like, let go of that and get back in that empathy, because it actually is what helps guide people on the path to being more themselves, to connecting to themselves, to having a personal practice. So it was just like.Brad Crowell 21:25  Yeah. Anthony was talking about his ego was the thing that brought him to the practice. Because he was like. Lesley Logan 21:31  Which would just be the irony of yoga. Brad Crowell 21:33  Yeah. And I'll tell you, it was actually anger that brought me to the practice and. Lesley Logan 21:39  I do went to yoga with you because I thought you're cute. I mean I was going to yoga already, and I was like, Ookay, I'll go to that class with him, because he's cute.Brad Crowell 21:48  bBut, but I was angry that I couldn't do it, and that was also ego. But like, I was angry. I was angry outside. I was angry at my ex, right? And I was angry that I couldn't figure it out. And I was angry that my I was just angry. And then when I when I knew was that, after I had beat the shit out of myself in a yoga class, I felt better. Like, ironically, you know, and like, if you know, talk about controlling, like I wanted every single answer to every every possible understanding of the movement, you know, and then, and then there was stuff that I was like, couldn't do. And it generally like, ironically, I was flexible, but I wasn't flexible enough in my own mind. And I definitely wasn't strong. And, you know, I think that anger, like, pushed me through the strength training barriers of where I was, like, I need to be able to hold this pose for whatever, 10 seconds, I don't know, like, whatever it was like. And it was like, I mean, I'm glad I didn't hurt myself, to be honest, you know, during it. But it was, you know, it took me a solid six months to enjoy the practice, you know, because I was just frustrated at everything.Lesley Logan 23:04  Yeah, I think, like, had you come to it for a different way, you might, like, it would might have been a different thing, but maybe you didn't, wouldn't have practiced that hard. Like, I think, I think that's what the point is. Like, what if we allowed our journey to whatever it is just be that, I think a lot of people want to change the past. They want, they want it to be a different way that they got into something. I remember, like, how I got into Pilates. I thought it was BS, and I remember not telling anyone that story for years, like I was so embarrassed that I actually thought that that Pilates was a gimmick, you know, I really was. I was like, oh. And then also on top of that, because when I became a Pilates instructor, people, most of the teachers were dancers. So here I was one of the few in my world, not in the world, but in my world, L.A., that was a non-dancer, and I thought it was bullshit, you know, like I was just like, I'm just gonna just, I'm just gonna bend back, I'm in the back, and no one's gonna know. But then I realized, like, actually, like, how I got to Pilates is probably how a lot of people think about Pilates. And what if I actually just, like, lean into the empathy of that, and it might actually allow more people to come to the practice, because then they don't feel stupid or silly or weird for thinking it's, it's, you know, not gonna work, you know? And it found, the more I talked about how I wasn't a dancer, the more teachers were like, I'm not one either. And then made them feel good. And so, like, what if we all just own the story that we have? It might actually make us all have more community and connection to different people.Brad Crowell 24:33  Yeah. I mean, it makes you relatable, you know, makes makes as a teacher, it makes you relatable when you're willing to, you know, share the things that it's I think, you know, there's always over-sharing can be wrong. But like, I think it's hard to know what will be received well. And so I feel like that there's fear there, and that's why you know, you're like, man, I shouldn't share that. But then, like, when you know if and when you do, it's like, oh, you know, like, well, I'm not alone in this, and other people are probably also not sharing, and now they feel permission to, you know, commiserate or connect, or, you know, makes them feel better about themselves, too. So, yeah. Lesley Logan 25:12  Yeah. Love it. Okay, what did you love? Brad Crowell 25:13  Yeah, so I loved this idea of good and bad. You know, he said yoga doesn't actually see things as good and bad. It's not like you have a good practice or a bad practice, or you're a good yogi or a bad yogi, you know. He said that yoga kind of sees things more in the does it work, or is it not working? You know? And he was talking about the specifically, like, when, when we were talking about this, it was more talking about habits. You know, it's like, the habit is there, whether it's a quote, unquote, good habit or a bad habit. You know, we're taking that and setting that aside instead. It's a, you know, how is this habit serving me? Is it, is it working for me, or is it not working for me, right? And specifically you were like, maybe you get frustrated that you sit there and scroll on Instagram all day long, but maybe you can see that as a good thing, because you actually need a moment to to just like, not think, right?Lesley Logan 26:12  Yeah, yeah. We also mean, we talked about, like, some people would say it's bad to drink, but like, if it if, if that drink made you that drink made you relax and connect with your family. Like, is it bad and and I think, like, is it wrong? So I've heard that this before, and a couple different things, obviously, like, there are things that cannot be great for you, but you, the difference is, like, is it serving you? Is it serving you? And it's okay for something to serve you and not serve somebody else. Brad Crowell 26:43  Or what is coming from it that could be serving you, right? Like, it might not be the thing that is serving you like, like the alcohol itself might not be beneficial, but the quality time that you spent with family when consuming the alcohol that is worth doing, right, you know? So, there's, I still, I still love the idea that like everything in moderation, including moderation, you know.Lesley Logan 27:08  Well, I think the point is, because I think about Brene Brown, she's gone in my head a couple times in this conversation, guilt versus shame is her thing, right? Like, I think some people shame themselves. I had a drink last night, versus, like, I spent time with my family and I had a drink, and I love spending time with my family. I don't love I had the drink, but when I had the drink, it let me forget about the work that I had so I could spend time with my family. So I do need to figure out a way to get to forget about work so I can spend time my family. But we don't have to have shame around the drink, because, you know, and I think that's where it's like, we have to be kinder to ourselves. I think people just walk around. I mean, it's on the internet, right? People just shame people all the time. That's bad. That's wrong. You did that wrong. Like, no one is going way to go, like, you know, when's the last time you told a stranger (inaudible). Brad Crowell 28:00  We definitely celebrated with OPC. I was gonna, I was gonna circle this right back around to your Pilates practice or your yoga practice, because when I first got into yoga, that was how I treated myself. I'm not good enough. I'm doing it wrong. I'm not doing it well. It's, it's not good, like I'm not a good yogi. And I was judging myself, but I was angry. I was angry at myself. I was angry at the world, you know, and like, you know, but I knew that, like physically, my body, like you ever felt like, you ever felt like so frustrated you just have to go run? You ever felt like that, where like running is somehow going to like be the thing, I and, like, that was that was like, you know, because you get that endorphins release and all that stuff, and that was what I was looking for without really understanding it, I just knew that I felt better after class, you know, and because I was also more relaxed and, like, my mind wasn't like, freaking out all the time, you know, at that point. But it still took time for me to like, took years for me to stop judging my own practice and like the idea that.Lesley Logan 29:14  But I think going back to like, there's a difference between saying something is bad and to lead to I'm bad, and asking yourself, and if we could just catch ourselves now, because this is why I love this conversation. Is it serving me? If the answer is yes, fuck what people think. If it's a yes, and tomorrow it's a yes, and then the next week, it's a yes, and then next month, it's a no. Then you make a change, but. Brad Crowell 29:44  Sure, you can make a choice. Lesley Logan 29:45  But I think some people are using judgment on good or bad, on things that are serving them, and then they're fucking stuck, like if you had not gone to yoga because I'm bad. It makes me feel like, you know, so I'm not, like, yoga would become the thing that's wrong. And then, like, you know what I mean? So like, is it serving me? It's serving me to go because I'm angry, and I can be angry, and it's serving me, and then all of a sudden, the anger at yoga no longer served you, and you let it go. So I think, like, there's a couple different ways to see this. Brad Crowell 30:20  Or the anger at me is no longer serving me. Lesley Logan 30:22  Yeah, so you had to let it go. So I think, what if we could all stop? If you and this is something we can catch ourselves doing here at this household, you and me together, but also, like our coworkers, your friends, like, if you go, oh, I know it's bad that I do this, hit, pull, that rubber band. Is it serving me, that I do this, right? Is it serving me that I do this? And if you can honestly say yes, then let the fucking guilt go, because it's not helping you. Brad Crowell 30:48  You said pull that rubber band? Lesley Logan 30:50  You know, you have a rubber band on your wrist. Brad Crowell 30:52  Yeah, yeah. Snap it. Lesley Logan 30:53  Snap it. Brad Crowell 30:54  Like, hit the reset button. Yeah, you know. And, and it's, you know, that he took it a little bit differently in the conversation, because he's, you know, he was talking about all things serve a purpose, even if we look at it and say that's bad, you know? Because, you know, he said we wouldn't know love without hate, joy without pain. Lesley Logan 31:18  I can think of a few people that I could still think the world's a better place if they weren't in it. I'm just gonna say, we all know, but like, I get the point.Brad Crowell 31:27  Perspective, right? It allows us to actually understand what we have in our world that is amazing, you know, because we can also see, oh, damn, I definitely that is not amazing over there. You know? You know that that's not giving that's not that is not working. That would not work for me, right? I mean, yeah, that wouldn't work for me. So, you know, it's a, he said, it's a balance, you know, and it's and each scenario you find yourself in, you can find that balance between, you know, is it working for me or not working for me? Or is it the good and the bad? You know, how can it be working for you? Lesley Logan 32:04  I mean, you know, I love it because, like BJ Fogg always said, there's no such thing as bad habit. Every habit you have is serving some function. Now, there might be habits you don't like or are no longer serving you, but they're a habit. But there, you cannot say there's a bad habit, because it is providing something in your brain that's kicking off a dopamine otherwise your brain wouldn't seek doing it.Brad Crowell 32:24  Right. Yeah, yeah. I always thought about that too with, like, food, you know, there's something, even if it's like, quote, unquote, bad habit of, like, eating all the time, or, like, maybe you have, like, a consistent, like, I eat late, or whatever, and you know that it's like, not physically helping you. There's still something in your head that's like, I need that thing, whatever that thing is, you know, I need that glass of orange juice, you know, I need the sugar, you know. Lesley Logan 32:49  Well, because it could be, it brings re lief, right? It's distraction, it might calm you down. There's so many different things that our habits do. So if there's something that you feel no longer serves a purpose in your life, right, you have to explore that and not judge that. I'm going to do a whole series on habits, actually, so we can continue this conversation on this like it's now an eight episode series I'm going to do about habits. Brad Crowell 33:19  Really? Lesley Logan 33:19  Oh, Brad has no idea. Brad Crowell 33:20  What? Tell me more. Lesley Logan 33:22  Yeah, oh, my God, I'm doing a whole episode, a whole series on my. Brad Crowell 33:25  On where? Lesley Logan 33:26  On the pod. I'm just taking over and not interviewing people for a few weeks. And I'm gonna tell you how to fucking do a habit. And we're also talking about unraveling habits that no longer serve you. Brad Crowell 33:35  All right, you heard it here first, y'all, surprise. Lesley Logan 33:37  So the thing the homework from this episode is just start taking notice of things, you know, the habits you have, the routines you have that no longer serve you. And we can bring that to the series, which will come out, I think it's going to come out either in December or January, so.Brad Crowell 33:55  Cool. All right, that's really fun. We'll stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items that you covered with Anthony, which were also fantastic. So yeah, stick around we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 34:07  Welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items that you had.Lesley Logan 34:13  You guys, I am notorious, like, I'm notorious, like, yeah, I'm ready. And then I just looked down, and he's like, just wants me to look at the camera when he says welcome back. So I'm sorry, everyone here we are. Welcome back. Brad Crowell 34:24  Welcome back. Lesley Logan 34:24  Say it with him. What bold, ex, you're not gonna say it with me? What bold, executable, intrinsic or targetedBrad Crowell 34:31  Action items can we take away from your convo with Anthony Benenati?Lesley Logan 34:35  Just so you know, I always fade out, even when you sing Happy Birthday, because I can't. I don't like how I sound. Okay. I'm going first, babe, here we go. I'm taking away because I there's just too many things I loved. So he said, he states that it's important that we actually we focus on three things when you want to do things that you want to do. So first of all, to do anything you want to do, you have to actually have the desire to do it. If you don't have the desire to do it, you won't put the effort forward. Has anyone ever said like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn Spanish, and then you don't learn Spanish. So you have to have the desire to do it. This is, we're gonna talk about this in the Habit Series. I love it. Knowledge. You have to learn to do it. He actually said just doing something without knowing how to do it can cause you harm. This is very true. You have to actually learn how to do it. I'm actually trying to learn how to do tarot, because I like want to, we have a Ttarot episode coming out, and I like, want to understand how to like, do it better. And I want a tarot is a personal relationship with yourself. It's asking yourself questions. And I want to have, I don't want to do it wrong. I want to have a really good understanding of it before I start journaling and pulling cards. And really like doing it for real. And then third is action. Then you simply have to do it. But beyond doing it just once, you must commit to doing over and over and over again to create meaningful change. And I love this so much. We have to be okay with being beginners, are we okay for having, like, being on a journey of learning, and then you just keep doing it. And it's really amazing how when you do that, it's like there's deeper levels of everything that we do, and it's just so good. I am loving, I love this, love, I love this triad. Okay, Brad.Brad Crowell 36:12  Yeah, I think that that idea of desire, knowledge and action is so obvious, but we often will skip one of the steps. Lesley Logan 36:24  Sometimes people skip desire. Brad Crowell 36:26  That's what I'm saying. Lesley Logan 36:27  It's terrible, like, that's a bad one. Brad Crowell 36:28  I'm doing it because I have to, or I'm doing it for somebody else, but really, you don't fucking want to, and so it actually sets you up to fail from the gate, right? Because what's gonna happen, you're gonna you're gonna do it, and it's gonna build frustration or resentment, you know, or like you mentioned with step two, if you skip knowledge, you could hurt yourself. And then, you know, there's step three, which is actually being consistent with it. You can have the desire to learn. You could even learn how to do it. But then if you don't do it.Lesley Logan 37:03  Right, right, because you, because some people won't do things because they're they're too new at it, you know. Okay, your Be It Action Items, your takeaways.Brad Crowell 37:11  Okay, so he was talking about being careful with language, and you mentioned this too, right? How your body actually learns, your body responds to the way that you think and the things that you say impact, you know, like, what you think is what you're going to say, and what you think your body is also going to do. Lesley Logan 37:32  Your body's not going to go rogue on you.Brad Crowell 37:34  Right. So, for example, you were talking about, you know, oh, I'm never, I never lose weight, or I'm never gonna get stronger or, you know, or I was thinking about just this, just the other day, I had somebody come, you know, we had somebody come to our place, and we were just taking photos, and the person said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, that's my bad side. And then shifted to the other side of the photo so they could get it. And I was like, that's like, I mean, of course, we've all heard that and like, it sounds like so Hollywood, but it's also, you know, like, that's a shame.Lesley Logan 38:13  Well, also, because you it just you have confirmation bias. You actually always see the thing that you're saying is bad, but your body listens. If you say you have a weak arm, your body's not gonna go let me show you how strong I am. No, it's just not gonna happen, and you'll treat it that way. So I really, I really think language, being careful with it, is something we could all pay attention to.Brad Crowell 38:34  Yeah and then the other side of it, too is let's say you have the desire and the action, the knowledge, I mean, and you're putting it into action, the way that you put it into action today might be different than the way you put it into action yesterday, right? And I think I had, especially with my yoga practice, never fully embraced this idea, ever. So for 10 years, I was like, I can always go further than I did the day before. That's just the way I always looked at it. It wasn't until I started lifting weights that I truly looked at it like, I just can't today, whatever, whatever, like, like, if last week I did 150 pounds, I just feel like, wimpy today, I'm not going to be able to do it and I and I could actually hurt myself.Lesley Logan 39:28  Yeah, that's why my trainer has me on a deload week because it's important for your central nervous system to, like, think things are a little easier. Can't always be building, building, building. You have to calm it down, yeah, so it's, it's so true, like our the way we approach things has to be different if we're listening to our body. Brad Crowell 39:47  Yeah and, you know, so yeah, listening to your body, being careful with your language, being willing to, being willing to, not, you know, whatever, reach the goal or hit the to be the epitome of the pose or, you know, in our in my case, it was often handstand, you know, when it was yoga, or for lifters, it's like, I gotta hit my max. Last max was, you know, this, so I gotta hit, I gotta at least hit that and then more, right, like, being willing to be like, okay, maybe right now it's okay if it's different, you know.Lesley Logan 40:24  Yeah, it's interesting how, like, some of those things, just you'd learn with age, but also.Brad Crowell 40:27  I think with age and also, like death. I never felt like I was gonna hurt myself in yoga. I never felt like I could crush my skull. Like, if you're benching and you have too much weight, your body could slip and fail, and you could have 150 pounds crashing on your body like, that was, that was the moment where I was like, oh, okay. Lesley Logan 40:47  So there it is, Anthony. We should have just probably go how to teach Brad he could have died, get a fucking broken his neck. Oh, my God. Okay, now we know. Well, I.Brad Crowell 40:59  But also that's translated, you know, like, I it took me an opportunity to learn, and then, you know, now, when I'm going back into my yoga practice, it's, doesn't have to be like, to the nth degree every single time.Lesley Logan 41:12  Yeah, I just show up. Like, that's where I'm at. I'm like, I'm really enjoying just showing up. So glad I get to do that. I'm like, I'm here today.Brad Crowell 41:20  I also feel a lot stronger, too, and less flexible. And I acknowledge that. Lesley Logan 41:25  You're no longer a shark boy. Brad Crowell 41:26  No. I mean, I don't think so. I'm still flexible, but I'm not like I was like before. Lesley Logan 41:31  You have mobility. Brad Crowell 41:32  Yeah, but I could put my foot behind my neck not in front of my head.Lesley Logan 41:35  I know, but you have but we need strength as we get older, it's really fucking hard to put it on. Anyways, I just this whole episode has so many gems I really enjoyed, like, reliving it. I think it's one that's worth going back to. And I think it's got, it's got a takeaway you might listen to differently each time you hear it. So, listen to it again. And I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 41:57  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 41:58  Thanks for listening. I want to hear reviews. I want to hear takeaways. I want your fucking questions. Send it in to beitpod.com/questions, also your wins. I want your wins. I want a lot. Okay, I want a lot. Brad Crowell 42:09  Yeah. We want it all. Lesley Logan 42:10  Yes, I can't I'm not gonna sing a song for you. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 42:14  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 42:16  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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Anthony Benenati, founder of City Yoga and That's Not Yoga®, shares his personal evolution from his earliest experiences with yoga to developing a practice that meets each individual where they are. In this conversation, he explores breaking limiting ideas about yoga, uncovering its deeper meaning, and building genuine human connection through mindful movement. He also reflects on how curiosity, learning, and purposeful steps can lead to lasting change. This is a conversation about healing, empowerment, and finding a practice that truly serves you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Anthony's journey into yoga and the pivotal moments that shaped his path.Breaking common stereotypes and misconceptions about yoga.Understanding the true purpose of yoga beyond the poses.How yoga fosters authentic community and connection.The power of desire, knowledge, and action in creating transformation.Episode References/Links:Anthony Benenati's Website - https://thatsnotyoga.comAnthony Benenati's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thatsnotyoga Tiny Habits: The Small Changes That Change Everything by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/3edLCLcGuest Bio:Anthony Benenati is the founder of City Yoga, The first Anusara yoga studio in California and That's Not Yoga® , a culmination of three decades of study and practice in the Hatha Yoga tradition. Anthony's philosophy is simple; fit the yoga to the student, not the student to the yoga. He believes that it isn't about the style of yoga you practice, rather, the effectiveness of that style for your body. Yoga practice should help you transform, not cause more suffering. Anthony draws from a deep knowledge of the different classical styles of modern yoga and other modalities to construct a path of healing and transformation for their student. Anthony has trained in Kundalini, Ashtanga, Iyengar, Anusara and Viniyoga. He specializes in Yoga Therapeutics and tailors the practice so your body uses its natural movements to heal itself from pain and suffering. He has taught globally and has trained thousands of students. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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If yoga is about anything, it's about setting meaningful boundaries.Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:51  All right, Be It babe. I am so stoked for you to hear today's interview. Our guest today is actually a dear friend of Brad and mine, and he is a person we have quoted on the podcast before, and he's someone we said, we have to get him on the pod. And guess what? We did it. And also, I can't believe this is the first time he's on the pod. I feel like he'll be a regular conversation, because it's just really fun to hear him share his perspective, and he is an amazing yoga teacher. And this is as much of a yoga podcast as it's not a yoga podcast episode, because we talk a lot about what really is yoga, and what does it mean to have a yoga practice, and what is it trying to teach us? And if you think you know what yoga is I'm gonna challenge you to listen, because I think it's really easy for us to have been fed something that it's not and then not realize, like, the amazing benefits that it has. And so I'm not gonna say anymore, because this episode is just one of my favorite it's gonna go hands down and one I'll quote in the future. And I knew that when I brought him on, I just knew that we would have an amazing conversation, and this is hopefully going to entertain, educate and inspire you. So here is Anthony Benenati. Lesley Logan 2:09  All right, Be It babe, I'm really excited. This person is actually a dear friend, like I know I've said that about some guests, but usually they're a dear friend of like, a couple moments. This person I've known for like, 10 years, and Brad has known him much longer, he's been a regular in our lives. Anthony Benenati, you are one of the best yoga teachers I know, but also so much more than that. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Anthony Benenati 2:33  Well, first of all, thank you for having me on. What an honor. Who am I? Anthony Benenati, you said my name. I am, believe it or not, a yoga teacher, a professional yoga teacher. I've been doing this for 32 years now, which, when I tell people that I teach yoga, they they have immediate this vision of what that might be. Lesley Logan 2:56  Yes, you should be in white. Anthony Benenati 2:59  I should be in white or. Lesley Logan 3:02  With a glow. Anthony Benenati 3:04  It's not very serious or, right? Everybody has their assumptions of what yoga is, which, my job is to help educate and instruct on what the practice truly is versus what it has become. The practice that sort of everybody knows now, versus really, what it truly is and what its goal is.Lesley Logan 3:29  Yeah, I feel like we could also, like, talk about that for hours, because I had someone send me a reel of a guy on a Reformer with a, like, stationary bike in his hands and feet. And it was a joke. It was like an April Fool's joke. And he was like, okay, guys like, this class, we get cardio and core and like, he's holding the bike, he's it's obviously a joke. But like someone sent it to me, and I'm like, the fact that this is so hilarious that people who've never done Pilates before are sending this to me, tells me that what people think Pilates is has strayed far from what Pilates is. So I feel like I can understand that. And I find myself constantly educating people a little bit like, well, that yes, those are Pilates exercises and so, but it's not the inherent reality of it is. And so I feel like I understand that plight, that that journey you're on, in a little bit. Anthony Benenati 4:18  You and I have had this conversation many times before, because you're so close to the source of it, and and that's what I love about what you do, what you teach, and where I am, and what I teach, is that there's a lineage, and you're very close to the source, and the closer you are to the source, the more authentic the teaching, the further down the line you get disconnected from that core source. Then everything starts to get watered down and miscommunicated. Lots of stuff gets forgotten. Lesley Logan 4:55  Yeah, well, it's like the game of telephone, like, I mean, like when you play that game in school, like, you, the further it goes down the line. Anthony Benenati 5:03  The more warped it gets. Lesley Logan 5:04  Yes, yes. And it's funny, but also, like, that is the reality. Can we take a step back? Because, like, a yoga instructor of 32 years, that is a long time. And I think, like, there's not many of you. I mean, there's many of you, probably in India places, but like, there's not many of people who've had that many decades and and have studied the way that you have like, did you grow up like doing yoga? Did you want to be a yoga teacher?Anthony Benenati 5:32  No, this story is, is pretty remarkable. No, I did not grow up with yoga. In fact, I didn't really understand what yoga was until I was literally introduced to it after I moved here to L.A. So I've been in L.A. since 1991 before that, I was in the military. I was in the Air Force. And when I was in the Air Force, I was a competitive power lifter, and I played sports all my life. So my body was pretty wrecked in my 20s. I had a shoulder surgery and a knee surgery already, and I remember I was waiting tables, and I had met this girl, and I was taken by the way she sort of carried herself. She was she walked very upright, almost Royal. And I thought, you know, it's L.A., everyone's moving to LA to become an actress. And I thought, okay, this girl, right, she's like telling her family, I don't want your money, I'm moving to L.A. and I'm going to be an actress. So I asked her, and she laughed in my face, and she lifted up the back of her shirt, and she showed me a 13-inch scar on her spine. And she told me that when she was young, she had this incredible S curve in her back, and she was in a full body cast from her neck all the way down through her torso. And I said, oh, my God, that that sounds painful. And I said how do you move? You can't, I haven't seen you bend. She goes, I can't. The only thing I can bend is my hips. I can turn my hips, but I cannot bend my back. I said, well, what do you do for relief? And she said, I do yoga. And I was like, Well, explain what's that and how does that help you? And she said, I'd love to explain it, but I don't think I can. Why don't you just come to a class? So I did, and you know, me then, I was really big. I had all this muscle mass, right? And I went to my first class, and I could not finish, could not finish the class. It kicked my butt. And I was so, my ego got, got triggered. And one of the things that's important for me as a teacher now when I teach my students is that there is, yoga doesn't see things in good and bad. Yoga see thing, sees things in does it work or not? And at the time, ego served me, because it made me go back, and it made me go back and it made me go back. At the time, the reasons because I think I was going to get it, and that's fine for whatever, for whatever reason someone enters into the practice is fine, you're there. That's the important part. We can work on the why and the why always evolves as you get along through the practice. But for me, I tell people, ego brought me to yoga and it it kept me there.Lesley Logan 8:34  Yeah, I think, isn't it interesting, like, because I'll have I work with teachers, and they're like, oh, I don't want to work with people who want to lose weight. And I'm like, I, you don't have to promise them anything you can't do. But if, if that brought them into the space, I would much rather you a non like someone who's not going to manipulate or use them or lie to them to be the safe landing for them to find a movement practice that can help them love the body that they have, you know? So I'm not here to be I won't take you if you want to lose weight. I'll just say, here's the science of weight loss, here's how I can fit in and and here's how I don't, you know, but this is what we can do together and like building that trust. And if that's what brought them in, and that's what got them to keep coming at the beginning, but then they stay coming because of how it makes them feel, and then they become a person who doesn't worry about that, because they actually care more about how they feel than how that what the scale says. Like, to me, that's kind of like that same thing. Like, I think too often people are wanting to turn away that negative energy, that negative energy in air quotes, because that's not what something is. But really it's like, you can't just, you don't, we don't get to decide how people come to us. Anthony Benenati 9:48  Right. Lesley Logan 9:49  All we can do is like, kind of be a space for them to evolve and learn the what, what, what they wanted, what they're here, what we can teach them. Anthony Benenati 9:57  Yeah, I'm glad that you said that. I'm glad that you said that to create the space, because that's exactly what it is, isn't it? It's like we want to create a safe space for them to explore them, and not come in with this bunch of judgment that I'm putting on to them so that they feel uncomfortable. I want them to feel as comfortable as they can. Starting anything new is difficult. We all know that. Let's not make it harder. Lesley Logan 10:22  Yeah, yeah. I also like that you said there's like, there's not bad or good.Anthony Benenati 10:28  That's a radical, that's a radical idea for people. In the West, we are programmed this is good and this is bad. I can even hear, you probably hear this in your students' languages too. Oh, that's my bad side, or I have a bad leg, or I have a bad shoulder. And I'm careful with that, careful with the languaging. It's not bad. It may be injured, it may be weaker, it may be tighter, but that doesn't mean it's bad.Lesley Logan 10:55  Yeah. And I, well, I, there was a years ago, like years ago. I can remember where I was driving, but I can't remember the name of the podcast, I was in traffic on San Vicente trying to get to Wilson Boulevard, and I was listening this podcast, and they talked about how, like, we have to be mindful of how we talk about our body, because our body is listening. And they have done studies that, if you like, say, I gained weight, I'm someone who can't lose weight, like, I I'm fat. All this your bod, those people who say that they actually have seen that they produce fat cells, like, that's what they do, right? Versus like, they also, like, told people, like, oh, you had this knee surgery. And the person goes, oh, I had knee surgery, so my knee is better. They didn't have knee surgery. They literally didn't give it to them. They just pretended they put them under they had controls, don't worry there's other things, but. Anthony Benenati 11:42  The placebo effect. Lesley Logan 11:44  What you tell your body like really does matter and and I studied with BJ Fogg, who's the found who wrote Tiny Habits, and he's really the leading scientist on habits that everybody has been stealing from and, not stealing, it's the wrong word, they probably study with them, but at any rate, he said there's no such thing as a bad or good habit. Everything serves you. Every like the habits you don't like about yourself, if you don't like that you scroll on the internet. If you don't like that you binge-watch NetFlix that they'll all the habits we have serve us, they provide something because your brain actually doesn't want to be around anything that causes judgment or shame. So it, it's seeking, like, oh, like, maybe it's comfortable for you to it's soothing to just binge out and watch something you get you get to avoid the other thoughts you have, or with certainty, which we all are looking for and and so he said, If you so, you can't ever say I have a bad habit or I don't want to have good habits. They're just all habits. And then there might be habits you prefer and habits you'd like to get rid of. Anthony Benenati 12:42  Right. I think in the context of the yoga conversation, yoga would simply ask, do your habits serve you? And that's another way to say it, right, whether it's good or bad, is it serving you? Lesley Logan 12:54  Yes. Anthony Benenati 12:55  So maybe at the end of the night, you've had a really shitty night and you need a drink, and most people would go, oh, my God, you teach yoga. You don't drink, right? There's another stereotype. Lesley Logan 13:06  Yeah. Anthony Benenati 13:07  But does that drink serve you in that moment? Is it going to control you? Is it going to take over? No. May it take the edge off and allow you to process the things that you're going through? Sure. Are there other ways to process it? Yes. But not everybody can just be like, you know what, I'm super stressed, and I'm just going to sit and meditate. That's not that's not realistic. Lesley Logan 13:30  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 13:31  It's not realistic for somebody, you have to meet people where they are, yeah, yeah, and make the changes gradually. Lesley Logan 13:38  Well, I mean, do you have to meet yourself where you are? Anthony Benenati 13:41  Well, yes. True.Lesley Logan 13:44  That's a bigger, that's so huge. I just, you just mentioned something I thought it would be really good timing, like, since there is the stereotype of what yoga is, especially in the West, especially in big cities, oh, actually, even now, because the way things work in rural areas. It's just franchises so like so, what is yoga really?Anthony Benenati 14:08  Okay. How long is this podcast?Lesley Logan 14:11  We can have you back for another. We can split it up. Anthony Benenati 14:13  Part two. On its most basic level, yoga is a practice. It's been, well, the iteration that we know as yoga today has only been around a couple of 100 years prior to that, prior to the last 5000 years with yoga, yoga has been a ritual, a path, a practice to transcend the known or the physical, to transcend it to, instead of saying I am my body, yogis back then would say, I am not my body. And then they would use the practice to try and extricate themselves from their body. So, a free soul, you can think of it that way, the soul that inhabits me is limited by this physical boundary, and I'm going to use the yoga practice to liberate myself from this physical, literally, prison, is how they thought of it. But things evolved, and as things do over hundreds and thousands of years, consciousness changes, and societies evolve, and mindsets change, and even language changes. So yoga now has become a physical practice to help the body and the mind connect. So there's a saying that if you keep the body to cool the mind, most people, they start thinking a lot when they stop doing. And that's why a lot of people are just doing all the time, do, do, do, do, do, and there's no room for thinking. And then when they stop doing, all of these thoughts start coming up, and they don't know how to deal with them, so they just start doing again. Which is, I guess, a way of pushing things down so that you don't have to deal with it. Lesley Logan 16:05  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 16:06  Yoga gives us a invitation to try something else. Iit's a, it's an invitation to be like, how does my body work? And how does it work better? And not for the sake of the practice itself, but how is it going to help my life? Even if you do yoga every day, let's just say you do 30 minutes of yoga every day. There's 23 and a half other hours. What else are you going to do? Hopefully your yoga practice is serving that.Lesley Logan 16:37  Yeah, yeah. 30 minutes everyone is 2% of your day. If you want to do the math, it's 2% so if you can't give 2% of yourself to something that helps you become better, the other 98% like, I love that. I love the way that you described it. I think that it's really true. And I think it kind of like takes it away. Because I think people get caught up in the process of yoga, the poses, or the styles, and that's just all process which no one really, like, in the world of marketing guys, sells nothing. No one cares about the process. They care about the transformation, the the idea of like, you know, you said, like, breaking free of this limiting thing that would be like the thing, the promise. Let's go back. You, we kind of got, you got the ego kept you going to yoga. Why did you, like, did you know you wanted to be a teacher? Like, did you, I, because I had the same thing. I went to Pilates kicking and screaming, to be completely honest, and I thought it was a bullshit infomercial workout. And then I loved it, and then I kept going back, because I felt really good. And it wasn't till someone said I should be a teacher that I even thought about being a teacher. So how did you become a teacher? I mean, like, 32 years, take us back.Anthony Benenati 17:46  That's exactly, that's exactly, right, it was my teacher at the time that had told me. He told me after class. Now this was, you know, maybe a year, year and a half into starting with him. But he said, you know, because we've had multiple conversations, not just in the classroom but outside, we'd go and have tea or whatever. And he goes, have you ever thought about teaching yoga? And I said, absolutely not. I mean, why would I? Why would I do that? I barely know the practice. He says, I understand that, and I can get you more information, but I see something in you that I think will help other people. And I think what he saw, and after teaching a whole bunch of teacher trainees myself, the most effectual teacher is someone who understands how people get to the practice. And what I mean by that is if, for instance, if I grew up in the yoga tradition and my parents were teachers, and I had been doing yoga all my life, and I never really understood the struggle of a tight body, of not being able to do the poses, of not understanding the language, of having no connection to yoga, whatsoever. Then I couldn't offer that to anybody else coming into the practice, because I would, I, some of the teachers that I train who are super flexible, for instance, they never understand what it's like not to be so it's hard to have empathy for the student that is having a very difficult time doing the most basic movement. And I think empathy is such an important factor to be a great teacher, you have to be able to put yourself in their shoes. Lesley Logan 17:47  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 17:47  Or barefoot as it, in the yoga studio.Lesley Logan 17:47  Yeah, yeah. I agree. Like, I think, I think, you know, I used to be embarrassed by, like, how I thought so negatively about Pilates, and when I realized it was actually probably the way that made people trust to even try it out, like, I also thought it was bullshit. So, you know, I got it. And then the other thing, like, I do have one of those hypermobile bodies, but I fractured my tibial plateau right before I met and I remember, like, all this fear about, like, what that meant for my Pilates practice, what that meant for my weight training, my running, everything right? Was like, fear going on. And then I also realized in my own healing, how easy I was giving it to people with knee surgeries. Because I was just like, okay, like, don't move this in time thing and so I have an injury, I was like, oh, there's actually a lot of things they can do. There's like, so much like, and there's also so much they can't do, but like, you know, like, we don't have to, like, push them, but at the same token, like, we can challenge this body because it got injured for a reason. There was an imbalance, and that's why that happened.Anthony Benenati 18:11  Correct, correct. And we're here to address that imbalance, right? A lot of times, yoga is translated as union, which is a very simple, and it's not a direct translation. The root word of yoga is actually thousands of years old, and it's yuj, Y-U-J and it means to yoke. Now this is an old fashioned term. You know the yoke when they used to yoke the horse to the cart or the ox to the cart. Lesley Logan 21:02  I'm nodding, because I did do the Oregon Trail, and that is where I learned yoga. Anthony Benenati 21:06  Okay, there you go. So that's the image that I want people to have here, and it's very important, because what you have, so yoga, at that point, becomes an action. It's a verb. It's not just a noun. What is it? But what is it doing? It's joining. But what is it joining? It's joining two different things, right? The cart and the horse. Now, alone, these two things serve purposes, don't they? But if you connect them, then you can do incredible things that neither one of these things could do by themselves. So in the yoga practice, we say one and one never equals two. It always equals three, because there's you, there's the thing, and then there's the thing you guys are creating. So it's you and Brad as individuals, and it's your marriage, which is a living entity. And it has a life of its own. And if you don't feed and nourish that third thing, not only will it die, but then you're broken apart again.Lesley Logan 22:15  Yeah. Yeah. You should become a counselor as well.Anthony Benenati 22:18  What do you think after class is about? When people feel comfortable with you, they come after class and then they start telling you about deeper issues, right, things that not the body, but the why, the why that they're here. Why are they struggling? Why are they having a hard time? I was actually listening to one of your previous podcast this morning, as we were taking me and my wife were taking a walk, Ashley, around the lake here, and we were listening, and it was the client, or the person you had on that had stage four cancer. Lesley Logan 22:54  Oh, yeah. Anthony Benenati 22:55  And I remember you said something, and it was very astute. You said that. Well, you didn't know how many, and I looked it up, we have about 60,000 thoughts a day, and you said about 95% of them are negative, right? And it's true. It's like we have these same repetitive thoughts all throughout the day, and the majority of them, the vast majority of them, are negative or repeat from the day before and the day before and the day before. And at what point do you start addressing this and start changing the narrative? Yoga is the invitation to start learning that you can that there is an issue first and then the tools to change them. Lesley Logan 23:43  Yeah.Anthony Benenati 23:45  So I love yoga as a verb, as an action, not just a thing like we can name it, and you can't just name it and make it yo. You can't just put goats in the room and call it yoga. It's not. Lesley Logan 24:01  Yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean, like, because it's cute everyone and so don't at me. It is adorable, and if it gets people in, sure, but also, like, you're now paying attention to the goat, not you, which is like, another distraction that, you know, I think, like, I think, I think it's really easy, people want to distract themselves from all that's going on. Like, first of all, you've been a teacher since the 90s, so in L.A., which means use your studio was around during lots of things. Like, you know, I don't, I don't remember when, like, the riots were, if your studio is open, but then there was, like, 911 and. Anthony Benenati 24:46  The riots werre '92 so it was just after I got here, so I opened the studio in '99 so 911 happened for us, and that was a remarkable time. Obviously, the next, Gulf War happened, and lots of other things. And, you know, the studio became a community. It became a place for people to go, even if they just wanted to sit and be in the room, let alone practice. I remember the practice after 911 people just wanted to sit and gather and cry and talk and rage and not move. They didn't want to move their bodies. They just needed community. They felt so detached.Lesley Logan 25:24  Yeah. I mean, I wasn't any, I wasn't in a practice at the time, but I remember, because we were in California, so you're so removed, but you're not, you know? And so I can see how, like, your space can be that. And I think, like, it's so cool and also so big to have us to do a practice that can be so many things for people. It can be the community that they need, it could be the safe space that they share, and it can be a constant, like, it's there, no matter when things are good or when things are bad. And we don't have a lot of those things, right? Like, there's not there's not a lot of places or things you can do even when times are good and when times are bad, and I know you're gonna tell me good and bad, but like, you know, in the in the happier, joyful times versus, like, the sadder times.Anthony Benenati 26:09  Right, now we're in a really difficult time, and we've been here before. 2008 we were here the last time this particular President was in office. We were here. And we go through these cycles, and they're not unlike other cycles throughout the history of life, and we will have more. And it's not always positive, it's not always happy, it's not always on the incline. Sometimes it takes a dip. And you and I both know that that's really where you're tested. You're tested in the dips. You're never tested when things are great, and you're never going to change when things are comfortable either. Change only happens when you're uncomfortable.Lesley Logan 26:47  Yeah, it's really true. One of the my favorite things that you would bring up when we were in class is talking about, like, you know, you can't have love without hate, the equal opposite. And I was hoping you can, like, dive into that a little bit for us. Because I think, one, I actually think since these several moments of 2008 and 2016, and and now it's really easy for people to not see good and so it makes me go, like you guys, like you're seeing all the hate. Like, are you recognizing it's equal opposite. But I also, like, I think it's hard. I think people are always waiting for another shoe to drop, as opposed to, like, noticing when things are are also going well. But anyways, I wanted to know if you could, like, just share a little bit about that, because my listeners haven't heard that, and it was my favorite things. Like, Brad brought up your, like, Saturday morning classes today in a call with people, and he said, like, there'd be like, 50 people in this room, and you know, like you would often bring that up, and it was always around the same time that, like, something not great was going on. We all just felt it, whether it was in the city or the world. And like, you have to remind yourself of those things. Anthony Benenati 27:53  It ties into the whole good and bad thing, because it's a reframing of thought. Like, you have to really reframe this idea that even, even if it's something that you don't like, it's serving something. So it's a basic function of physics, like, things wouldn't exist if it didn't have an opposite, right? You wouldn't know joy if you didn't know pain, you wouldn't know laughter if you didn't know sadness, you wouldn't have anything to reference it to. So your capacity to love is directly related to your capacity to hate, to feeling these negative, quote, negative feelings versus these positive. They're there to balance each other out, and it's the idea is that it's your choice which one you want to feed. You remember Star Wars, right? Think about the force. The force is this, is this neutral thing, and it's how you choose to use it. They were all using the same force. But the lesson was, am I going to use this to help empower and further and engage, or am I going to use this for selfish and personal and destructive reasons? Same energy, how do you use it? So rather than wasting your time on whether something is good or bad or right and wrong, it really serves you to think, is this serving me? Because, like you said earlier, at some point in your life, it served you, whether it was to keep you safe when you were a child, for instance, maybe you were in a really bad home life, and you learned coping mechanisms. You learn, for instance, maybe how to shut it out, right, and how to go into your own cave, which is, which is very easy for me to do. If things get too much, I tend to remove myself and go back into this little cave. Well, you can't do that when you're in relationship. Yeah. Well, you certainly can't do that for very long, right? You need tools like, yes, I need to go take 10 or 30 minutes to myself, but I'll be back. It's that communication, to let that other person know I'm not leaving you. I'm not not communicating with you, but I do need to take care of myself. So it's changing, the languaging around this. So it helps me to think, for instance, this bad time that we're having right now, it's temporary. Now, temporary may mean years.Anthony Benenati 27:55  Yeah, I know I had a like, a thing, like, like, a little mantra card that's, everything, everything, everything is temporary. And I'm like, and temporary does not mean two seconds, two minutes, two weeks.Anthony Benenati 30:02  Exactly. There is no time limit on temporary, but it will end. Things always do. Things always change, but it was helpful to me to look at kind of life in that different way. I wasn't raised like that. I was raised as a Catholic, so it was always guilt and shame and right and wrong and very linear thinking, very black and white thinking, very dualistic, instead of this idea that maybe it's not so black and white, maybe there is the gray. And I think we're all learning that extremism on either end is not the path. So, far right or far left, we're not going to get anywhere because we're isolating. We have to find a way to start communicating again and finding common ground and stop making other the problem. Lesley Logan 31:41  Yeah, yeah. Anthony Benenati 31:43  That's my that's my I think that goes on and off the mat. Don't look at your body as a bad thing. Don't look at it as something that you need to conquer or change, or that somehow there's something wrong with you. How can I enhance myself? How can I make me who I am, and everything that I am that may not be somebody else, but very unique to me. How can I make myself even better, a better version of me, not, not somebody else. I don't have to be somebody else. I just have to be the best me I can be.Lesley Logan 32:18  Yeah. That makes me think of like, I interviewed a happiness strategist, and I was like, you know, I was like, this is interesting, because, like, like, can you be happy all the time? And she's like, well, of course not. She's like, like, she's like, she's like, but she said your ability to be happy is as directly related to how uncomfortable you can get, like, how comfortable withuncomfortable. You can get like, that's, can you like, what's your resilience? And she, you know, and I think, like, I think a lot of people have been outsourcing so long how they feel based on, like, what's going on out in the world, and not going back to like, how can I make myself the best version? Because we can affect the people around us more easily when you were talking about other it made me think you guys Google the Heineken commercial. It's quite long, but they literally took, like, people of opposite extremes and like, they took a guy who, like, voted against gay marriage, and then they took a lesbian and they put them in a room together, and they have to, like, build a desk, right? And like, and they, a table, or they build something. And the guy, like, this one guy is like, completely, I got this. I like, I can do these things, right? And she's like, and like, so they have to work together to build this thing. And like, each personal strengths have to do it, and then they have to sit down and have a beer. And at the end, the people who like when they interviewed them before they met the person they're building with, it would be like, I don't understand transgenders. I think they have to know rights, blah, blah, blah. And then they meet someone who's transgender, but they just built this desk together, and you watch this person go, well, let's have another drink and like, so it's really fascinating that, like, if we can actually stop, you know, being on the opposite sides, we can actually be together, and you get to know people, you're more likely to hear them and listen to them and realize we're kind of like what you think has been influenced by so much, by other people who are louder and you you actually love people who are around you more than you know, you know? And so I think that's what's so beautiful about a yoga class, or even Pilates classes, they can attract people from all sides of a spectrum and have a shared experience. And you know, because, and the more they get to know themselves, the more ideally, and this may be the idealist in me, like they think about caring for others, because they can, because once you've, once you've taken care of you, you actually have the capacity to actually care about other people.Anthony Benenati 34:45  Oxygen mask, baby. It's all about putting on your oxygen mask, right? You got to put yours on first. You can't help anybody else if you're passed out. But I like what you said there, too, because Yoga does want to meet people where they're at. I remember, I had this woman in class. She always sat up front and in the beginning of class, at that time, we would chant the sound of om in the beginning of class, just to settle the class and get things going. And she would never chant, and that's fine. You don't have to, right? It's again, everything's an invitation. But she did come up to me after class one day, and we had a conversation, and I asked her why, and she says, well, you know, I'm a devout Jew, and I feel like I'm sort of disrespecting my tradition if I'm doing something I don't understand. And I said, well, I'm so glad that you brought that up. First of all, yoga doesn't care what you believe. You can believe you know, Orange is God, and you can still practice. Yoga doesn't require a belief, it just requires a willingness. And I said, well, you're a devout Jew, so what are you comfortable saying? And she said, well, shalom. And I said, Well, what's in the middle of shalom? And she said om. And I said, exactly. So from that point on, we would chant om, and she would chant shalom, and she would just hold the om. It, for some reason, it gave her permission. It was totally fine with everybody else, and then she felt included. That was a wonderful story. Lesley Logan 36:19  I love that. I think also giving people permission, right? Like, I think that's what, you know, people can have permission to move their body, but also be in practice. Like, that's why it's called a yoga practice, and I think that's what it does so well, something that, like, I call it a Pilates practice, and there are a lot of people like me who call it practice, but there's also a lot of people who don't understand that, and they don't call it that, and they're like, I gotta get this. And it's like, no, what are you talking about, like, you're never gonna like, you don't get that. Like, it's your body. Your body's different every single day. Like, there are days like, at 6am I do Pilates, and at 8am I work out with you, and my body between those two hours is very different. And I'm like, whoa. I, what happened on my dog walk that this is no longer an option. I do, I do like that. Okay, I want to go into, because I think, like, you have had so many chapters in your yoga career, and what how you are, how you are teaching yoga now, is very different than what you did for the majority on your studio and things like that. Like we talk about some, be it till you see it moments and like, kind of like, what your what are you being till you see it, right now?Anthony Benenati 37:20  You're right. I did go through a lot when you when you have a studio for that long, you know, you go through a lot of changes, including me and my original partner, we split, and then there was that moment where you had to decide who's going to fight for this, who's going to get the studio, because we both wanted it, and that was that was all about desire. Do you really want this? And how bad do you want it? And then after that, there were other things that came up every time you're being tested. And you will be tested no matter how committed you think you are to whatever it is that you think you want, you're going to continue to be tested. And it just is a way to reaffirm, do I really want to be it? Do I really want to do this? For me now, you're right. It is different. My body is different. My practice is different, and not in a bad or a good way, just different. This is the different body than it was when it was in my late 20s. Being it now is, for me, is really being about being authentic, being authentic to the moment, being authentic to my students, but really being authentic to my own inner voice. And every time I get on the mat, the first thing I tell my students is, listen, listen to your body. It's going to tell you something different today than it did yesterday. If you come onto the mat with an agenda, most of the time, you're going to be disappointed, because you don't know that your body's ready to do those things that day, that particular day, maybe you need something completely different than you thought. We have to be open to that. And then the day I decided that my time of studio ownership was over, that was a tough one. That was a really hard day. But the moment I decided to make that shift, I felt so much more freedom. Yoga had changed, you know, it really had become corporate. At this point, it was being completely watered down. People were barely doing teacher trainings and leading yoga classes, and it just became too much of a struggle to do the business of yoga versus being the teacher. You know, when you own your own business, you never are not working. That's the thing. It's 24/7 right? You don't get to clock out and go home and forget about it. Lesley Logan 39:50  Yeah, there's a reason why I like, watch White Lotus. I'm like, because I'm not where I can't work and watch White Lotus like, this is me being awesome. That's how it serves me. Even if it, like, gives me a little stress and anxiety, I'm like, but I'm not working, so I get it, no, like, I mean, like, yeah, and then I I, I'm where I'm married to someone I work with. So it's never, it's never off. Yeah, but I, thank you for sharing that, because, I mean, like, I think a lot of people, there's an aspiration to start something or do something or own something. But as you said, you've evolved. Not only has yoga evolved, but you've evolved. Your body has changed. And I think sometimes we forget that as we evolve, we outgrow some roles, you know, and like, just like you outgrow clothes, like you outgrow, like you outgrow a role, and it's like owning a studio serves such a good purpose, like a good purpose at the time, like you had a partner and a family and, like all these things. And then it also got to a place where it's like all this is changing, and I have, too, you know, but that's so hard to like, because it's like a light switch. Anthony Benenati 40:58  Yeah. Well, you know, I had felt it, but not really paid attention to it. And you know how your body does, your body will jump in there and it'll call your attention. And I literally had my one and only panic attack at that moment. It was like, oh yeah, this is a sign you are not in a good place. This, this, this, it's time to get out. It's time this, this had run its course. And that was a hard decision to really give up the thing that you worked so hard to create. But it was also learning that that was separate from who I was, that we were not inextricably connected, that we were these individual things, and we did create a third thing, but that third thing was dying, and it was time to change into something else.Lesley Logan 41:46  Yeah, yeah. What are you most excited about right now?Anthony Benenati 41:51  Oh my gosh, we are empty nesters. That's the most, 25 years of being a parent.Lesley Logan 41:59  I had someone I just interviewed. She's like, I'm a bird launcher. She's like, I've launched all my birds. They're all birds. They're all launched. Like, the positive of that.Anthony Benenati 42:10  It is so true. We are so excited about this next chapter for us, which is freedom in a lot of different ways, right? I mean, you're never not the parent, but they don't need you every day anymore. They need you when they need you and and happy to be there when they do. Like this morning, my youngest called from college, and she stayed on the phone for over an hour. And she just needed feedback. She needed to connect. She didn't necessarily need a ton of advice. She just, you could feel that she needed connection. For now, for me, it really is about this next chapter. Your lives are a bunch of chapters, and at being, you know, 50, I'll be 58 this year. It's a very I know, right? Yeah, I can't believe it myself, but this idea now that I can make choices solely for me or solely for us as a couple and not oh my god, what are we going to do with the kids, and is this child going to come? Or are they not going to come, or are we going to do this all together, that we can make these choices for ourselves, I'm really excited about that. That's the personal aspect of it. Professionally, professionally, things have changed, you know, ever since covid, everybody went online, and which is great. It's a great way to connect to everybody, but I still feel the need to be in the classroom, yeah, and we do those in persons, and we do those yoga retreats, and we do those monthly workshops, just so that people can have that feeling of connection and community again. Lesley Logan 43:52  Yeah, I think that's why we do our tours, too. Like, I love being online, because I can impact people without having to travel as much. And also, like, I need to see bodies in three dimensions.Anthony Benenati 44:03  Right. How do you make an adjustment with you can't see and touch? Lesley Logan 44:06  No, I'm literally going so if I was there, I would hold your arms still. Imagine I'm like, is your child around? Can they grab your arms and hold them? Hold their hold their arms. Okay. Now go.Anthony Benenati 44:18  That's so good. Lesley Logan 44:19  You know, but like, I think, I think that's why, like, I like the idea of, like, really reframing what's good or bad. Because, like, I think it could be so easy, like, back before the pandemic, like, oh, online is terrible. You can't have those things. But we, Brad and I used to, like, call you just be on the phone. Because I was like, I can't handle the traffic. I can't but I want you. So just, just be on just be on speakerphone, and we'll mute ourselves, and we'll be, you know, but like, when the pandemic happened, I was like, oh, I love this, because now I can have access to the people, I don't live in the same town as you, and I, Brad and I still get to have that practice with you, and I think, but also, yeah, we miss, like, actual hugs and actually seeing people, and you have to be more intentional. But I think that that, I think then we are more intentional, you know, so that is also cool.Anthony Benenati 45:08  Yeah, we really mourned the day you guys left.Lesley Logan 45:12  When we moved from L.A. to Las Vegas was during the pandemic, and we didn't actually have a mourning, because nothing was actually happening in person, the more like it was a year and a half later when things opened back up and we were not part of the opening back up that was like, so it was a delayed mourning, a delayed grief for us. Okay, obviously, we're gonna all catch up, guys. We're gonna take a brief break, find out how people can find you, follow you, do yoga with you. Anthony Benenati 45:39  Great. Lesley Logan 45:40  All right, Anthony, where do you hang out? Like, are you on the Instagram? Or is there just a simpler way? How can people do yoga with you or learn more about what you're doing? Where do you where can they go? Anthony Benenati 45:52  Well, they can go to my website, which is, thatsnotyoga.com and of course, there's a story behind that, because that's a pretty bold statement, which was intentional. One of the misconceptions about yoga is that anything goes, right, and that is so far from the truth. If yoga is about anything, it's about setting meaningful boundaries. So if you take a bunch of energy and you narrow it, you're going to increase the flow of that energy. Just think of water. Take a lake. Narrow the boundaries. It becomes a river. Narrow the boundaries even more, becomes a raging river. So most people think that if you limit their choices, then you're limiting their freedom. But I call it the Cheesecake Factory theory. Walk into a Cheesecake Factory and you sit down, and they literally throw you down a book. And they're like, okay, what do you want? And you can have anything. The book is like, an inch thick. And I just get overloaded because there's too many choices. I much prefer to go to a restaurant where they just print the menu that day and there's six things on it, and you can have this, this or this, and I'm like, great, I'll have that. The narrowing of your choices actually gives you more freedom, because you're constantly saying no to a bunch of things while you're saying yes to a limited amount of things, right? Like being in marriage, you're saying yes to Brad and no to everybody else. It's this process that continues throughout your entire day, right? What am I letting in? What am I consciously keeping away? I love that understanding.Lesley Logan 47:42  I love that. So you guys just so you know, because he didn't say it, but I'm gonna say it for him. Brad and I can do yoga online with this man. You do it three times a week. I try to show up twice a week when I'm there. And Brad, we're getting him on the 8 am wake up call. We're working on. Do you remember? Do you remember when he used to do it 6 am? I think we have to remind him that he used to do 6 am yoga. Anthony Benenati 48:03  Absolutely. Lesley Logan 48:03  When the bed was further away from the studio was the the thing. So you guys can do that. You can find that on, on, thatsnot yoga.com. You kind of just gave us a Be It Action Item. But I just want to see like, if there's any other bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. Anthony Benenati 48:18  Okay. The the, the the triad, the triumvirate that we like to follow in the practice, is desire, knowledge, action. Those are my Be It moments. To break it down, you got to want to do something, then you have to learn how to do it, and then you do it, this whole idea of just do it, that's not going to work. Just doing something without knowing how to do it can cause you harm doing something and you don't have the real desire to do it, you're not going to put your best effort in. If you do those three things in that order, you can pretty much do whatever you want to do. You've got to want to do it. You got to learn how to do it, and then you simply have to do it, and you have to commit to doing it over and over and over again to create that meaningful change. Those are my action items. And the thing is, is, if you don't want to do it, don't do it. That's the thing. You're, exactly, more freedom. And that's whole, that's yoga's goal. Yoga just wants you to be more free. But that doesn't mean no boundaries. It means establishing meaningful boundaries, boundaries that are going to channel you in the direction you want to go. And guess what, people, you can always change your mind. You can always change your mind.Lesley Logan 49:48  I mean, that is like that needs to be on people's walls. Because I find like, you know, like, imagine if you never gave yourself permission to change your mind. You might, you might, the world might have lost a yoga teacher that day, because you would have had a panic attack and then a burnout, you know, like, you can change your mind on your schedule, you can change your mind on your goals. You can change your mind on lot of things, like, you know, and that is for the perfectionist, listening. That might be the hardest thing you learn.Anthony Benenati 50:14  I'm speaking to you, perfectionist.Lesley Logan 50:17  Yeah, oh my gosh, Anthony, obviously I could talk to you for hours. And clearly Brad is like itching to walk in this room, you guys, so we gotta let him in so you can say hi to his friend, but thank you for being here, and thank you for just sharing so much of your wisdom. I continue to learn from you. Always. I can't wait to learn more. Someday we're gonna do a joint Pilates, yoga. That is my dream. That is my vision. Maybe on the Summer Tour. Maybe you'll be our L.A. event. So see, you guys, let us know what your favorite takeaways were. Let Anthony know in thatsnotyoga. Let the Be It Pod know and share this with a friend who needs to hear it, because that's how everyone wins. You know, we all can take away something from this, and I'd love to hear what yours are, and you know what to do, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 51:02  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 51:41  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 51:46  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 51:50  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 51:58  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 52:01  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 52:14  I'm interviewing Anthony. Anthony Benenati 52:15  Hi, Brad. Lesley Logan 52:16  Yeah, it's an interview right now. No, we're not done. You're just interrupting. We'll put this in the bloopers. He's come in twice, and I'm like, um. Anthony Benenati 52:24  What's up, buddy? Brad Crowell 52:26  I wanted to say hi. Lesley Logan 52:27  Yeah. Okay, alright, one second, let me get to those Be It Action Items. Okay. We'll talk.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome Natties to episode 101 “Misophonia”! Join us as we dive into Uncle Kyle talking about his condition Misophonia, Ice Cube's newest movie, Pedro Pascal and our review of Until Dawn, hilarious getting walked in on while fooling around stories, Uncle Kyle hits you Natties with some life advice and so much more! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for? Click it!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!SocialsUncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

Send us a textWelcome to Alternative Dog Moms - a podcast about what's happening in the fresh food community and the pet industry.   Kimberly Gauthier is the blogger behind Keep the Tail Wagging, and Erin Scott hosts the Believe in Dog podcast.CHAPTERS:Current status of the DCM Class Action lawsuit filed by Daniel's company KetoNatural (0:55);A NEW study showing NO connection between different diets for dogs and DCM (12:30);Scientific studies that Daniel and KetoNatural are involved in (30:36);Nutritional science knowledge of lay people versus veterinarians (39:47);How you can support KetoNatural (50:41)LINKS DISCUSSED:Invest in KetoNaturalEpisode 88: DCM Class Action Lawsuit with Daniel Schulof - KetoNatural Pet Foods - Part 1Episode 91: DCM Class Action Lawsuit with Daniel Schulof - KetoNatural Pet Foods - Part 2Read the lawsuit Complaint filed by KetoNaturalNEW DCM Study in Journal of Animal Science: Different Carbohydrate Sources in Dog Foods Supported Overall Health and Cardiac Function: An 18-Month Prospective Study in Healthy Adult DogsStudy No. 1 by Dr. Anna K. Shoveller: Feeding of a high protein, low carbohydrate diet leads to greater postprandial energy expenditure and fasted n6: n3 fatty acid ratio in lean, adult dogs compared to a moderate protein, moderate carbohydrate dietStudy No. 2 by Dr. Anna K. Shoveller: Dogs fed a high protein, low carbohydrate diet have elevated postprandial plasma glucagon and amino acid concentrations and tend to have lower glucose concentrations compared to two different moderate protein, moderate carbohydrate dietsSOCIAL MEDIA:Facebook.com/RawFeederLifeFacebook.com/BelieveInDogPodcastInstagram.com/RawFeederLifeInstagram.com/Erin_the_Dog_MomThanks for listening to our podcast. You can learn more about Erin Scott's first podcast at BelieveInDogPodcast.com. And you can learn more about raw feeding, raising dogs naturally, and Kimberly's dogs at KeepTheTailWagging.com. And don't forget to subscribe to The Alternative Dog Moms.

In this empowering FYF episode, Lesley shares seven oddly specific affirmations for real-life challenges, celebrates community and personal wins, and reminds us that investing in our well-being is a radical act of self-respect. Whether it's prioritizing annual health checkups or attracting clients through genuine passion—this episode is all about showing up for yourself.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Seven affirmations for real-life challenges and energy shifts.Charlotte Coker's success in attracting a new, excited Pilates client.How preventive care is essential for living your best life long-term.The importance of being informed and making wise decisions about your health.Episode References/Links:Seven Oddly Specific Affirmations - https://www.instagram.com/p/DI9R3AZuSk_Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday.Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:03  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:44  Hi, Be It babe. How are you we're getting towards the end of August. Can you believe it? It is like the it's like the end of summer, this is when we start to get really sad about things, or maybe you're at the end of winter where you are, and you're like, thank God. So, so anyways, we're about to enter a different season in the world, and so I just want to say, make sure you take time for yourself to reflect back on what you did like about what you did, and what you want to change, because you have plenty of months to do that. Just plenty of time. There is, if we make it, you take time. And also, we don't try to be perfect, perfect about it, right? So on this episode, I share something that inspired me. I share one of yours. Hopefully it inspires you that there are wins everywhere in your life. I share a win of mine, and I share a mantra which may or may not have been skipped on those last three. Sometimes, again, I'm like, oh, I'm good. That was a great episode. And then I'm like, oh, there's a mantra. This is what happened, so I apologize if you missed the mantra. Lesley Logan 1:36  All right. So here we go. This inspired me, Seven Oddly Specific Spoken Affirmations. So, Your Spoken Spells for the Everyday. I kind of like, I like weird things like this, so hopefully you do, too. So we'll always put the link in the show notes, in case you want to, like, save any of them for your own life. And I would love to know which ones you saved. You can even send it in, you can DM us. You could also send in your wins and questions to the beitpod.com/questions. All right, so Seven Oddly Specific Affirmations, an affirmation for when time feels scarce and the to-do list won't quit. Ready? I am not behind. I am exactly where I need to be. Time expands for what matters, and I move through my tasks with ease. I release the illusion of urgency. What is mine to do will get done. That's for when you have an endless to do list. Okay. An affirmation for creative blocks and trust in your flow. I am a channel, not a critic. My creativity is alive and abundant. I do not force. I follow. I allow the ideas to move through me as they wish, knowing what an inspiration is cyclical and never lost. An affirmation for spring cleaning and clearing stagnant energy. So I know it's not springtime, but you know what it might be time to clear some stagnant energy where you are. As I clear my space, I clear my mind, I release what no longer aligns, making room for new energy to flow. My home is a reflection of me open, fresh and ready for what's next, a spoken manifesto for body gratitude beyond just movement. My body is not a problem to solve. My body is not waiting to be fixed. My body is a home, a landscape, a masterpiece in motion. I live here and I live well. A chant for expressing your personal style of confidence. I wear what makes me feel alive. My style is not for approval. It is my own joy. And I am bold. I am effortless. My style is extension of my inner beauty. A spell to banish the energy of an ex. Yes, really. I release what no longer holds me. I cut the cords. I reclaim my energy. I call my heart back home. What is gone is gone, and I no longer open doors to the past. An affirmation disrupt to disrupt self-doubt at work. I'm an asset, not an accident. I know my value. I own my ideas. I bring value to the team. My efforts are enough. I release the need to over-explain or prove myself. I already belong. So, hopefully those were fun for you. They were really fun for me. Lesley Logan 4:12  All right, time for a win of yours. All right. This is from Charlotte Coker. We know her from Agency, and she wrote, got a new private client who has never done Pilates, and she's loving it. She wants to attend two to three times weekly, heading to inbound studio shortly to attend for workshop with Carrie Pagès. Carrie is a dear friend of mine, so of course, it's so fun for me. So Charlotte, I hope you had the best time at Carrie's studio. Way to invest in yourself and give yourself permission to go do something that like lights you up, and way to be so passionate that someone who's never done Pilates before not only wants to do it with you, but wants to do it multiple times a week. That's huge. That's a big deal. Getting anyone to go from zero to three times in a week is a big deal. So congratulations. Thanks for sharing that with us. You guys, just being like, excited about what you do goes a long way. And I know not all of you are in business for yourself, and so that's not the point. But like, you are a magnet for great people to be in your lives. If you're passionate about things. I'm not saying, like, lie and fake it, but like, be it till you see it is about going well, who is it that I want to be? If the person I want to be doesn't complain and judge and criticize and mope, then what would I be doing? How would I be acting if I was already on the other side of this, right? And then it will help you. Oh, I need that version of me would have done therapy. That version of me would have moved. That version of me would have taken that new job, whatever it is, right? Like it helps you filter out what you're going to do. So thank you, Charlotte. Lesley Logan 5:40  Okay, a win of mine. I'm really proud of myself. I've got all my annual visits done. So, dermatologist, the mammogram, gynecologist, blood work, all is done. So, so excited to have to say that and share that and well, how is it a win? Because there's always a reason to postpone those things. There's always a reason to postpone those things. And when you do, my loves, you suffer because you actually, your body is able to, kind of like, tolerate some things. You can start to tolerate feeling moody, you can start to tolerate feeling uncomfortable. You can start to tolerate, oh, I'm just getting older, so that's why I have this or that. No, some of these things have solutions, right? And so I'm not saying, like, become obsessive, but get your annuals done. And I when I talked about a mammogram a year ago, I had a bunch of people, maybe not like, a dozen, but like, at least seven people from around the world going I heard mammograms aren't worth doing. And I said, oh, did they suggest something else for you? And they're like, No. And I'm like, why on earth would you listen to someone say that something doesn't work, but then they don't provide an option that does? You guys, like that kind of shit pisses me off, because making women scared of things that could save their lives, but not offering an alternative that will save their life. Fuck that like I'm not okay with that. So yeah, mammograms can miss things, and maybe they're not great for you, but they also can do ultrasounds, right? There's other things you can do. Please do not let people who sound very confident scare the heck out of you, out of preventative measures that can keep you from getting sick or dying, right? Please do your research. It's really, really, really important to me that you hear that and that you know that, like, do the research about and not, and this is the hard thing, right? Oh, when you hear people say, oh, go do your own research. A lot of the research out there that's a bunch of shit, because it's just some people, like, preponderance of crap scaring you. So truly, it's gonna be hard, especially flummo states, and they've gotten rid of some stuff, but, but do, do call your doctors? Do find out like, well, where, where did you get that information? Where can I read about it? How can what's the best resources I can look at? For the pros and cons, for me, they can help you, right? So don't go off on some influencer who says I'm a wellness doctor. Like, go, go. I'm not one. So go find go. Like, talk to the doctors that you'd love and trust and ask them where they you can do the research so that you can arm yourself with the best information they are in practice, they're not perfect. We don't do perfect around here. So anyways, I am so proud. I got all those done, and it's I got them done before the summer tour, so I don't have to worry about it, and now I can enjoy the rest of the year. Start them again next year, but we got to take care of ourselves. You know, getting older is not for the weak. It just really, really isn't. And so that's why I do Pilates. That's why I wear a weight vest. That's why I I check on my hormones. It's why I bring on all the guests that we bring on to help you make sure you can be till you see it all the way into the very end. Hopefully it's over 100 having the time of your life, enjoying what you do. Lesley Logan 8:39  Anyways, I do end these episodes usually with a mantra, so let me give you yours. Holy moly, can't believe this. We're coming okay, oh, this is great. I nourish myself with kind words and joyful foods. I nourish myself with kind words and joyful foods. I nourish myself with kind words and joyful foods. I love that go. Go be kind to yourself. Be your own best friend. All right, share this with a friend who needs to hear it and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:09  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 9:51  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 9:56  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 10:01  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 10:08  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 10:11  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Today's recap episode revisit Lesley's conversation with Sarah Rhoads, founder of Commbi Shoes. They explore Sarah's journey from a thriving photography career to becoming an innovative footwear entrepreneur, the intentional choices behind her reinvention, and how she learned to chase fear instead of letting it chase her. This recap digs into the role of curiosity, alignment, and persistence in turning a personal problem into a purpose-driven product.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Redefining fear as a signal for growth instead of a stop sign.Why trust and self-belief is crucial when building a business.The importance of protecting your autonomy to avoid burnout.Why specific regular habits are a form of prioritizing self-care.Episode References/Links:Online Pilates Classes - https://onlinepilatesclasses.comUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comFemGevity - https://beitpod.com/femgevityWeighted Vest - Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsCommbi Website - https://www.commbi.co (Use code: BEIT10 for 10% off!)Ep 547 - Dr. Jennifer Perez - https://beitpod.com/gaithappensIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  If you're normally saying no to 80% of opportunities, maybe say yes to, like, 35% and just like, start to get warmed up by that muscle and have some fun with it, because it does lead to everything. Brad Crowell 0:10  Everything Leads to everything. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the trailblazing convo, can I say that one more time? Dig into the trailbr. Brad Crowell 1:05  Wow. Maybe you can't.Lesley Logan 1:08  I might not be able to wave it in. Dig into the trailblazing convo I had with Sarah Rhoads in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, you should. You'll also hear me fuck up her the name of her business right after she told me exactly how not to say it. And I just want to apologize, Sarah, you told me, I heard you. I was like, yeah, don't call it that, and then called it that. And I just want to say, like, I it wasn't intentional. Anyways, we'll get into Sarah Rhoads and her amazingness in just a second. Lesley Logan 1:38  But Today is August 21st 2025 and it's Internet Self-Care Day. Brad Crowell 1:42  Yes, it is. Lesley Logan 1:42  So after this, probably get off the internet, is what it's going to say. But listen to this first. Internet Self-Care Day is celebrated each year on August 21st. This holiday is dedicated to using the internet to, oh, actually, it's different than I thought. Brad Crowell 1:56  Yes, it is. Lesley Logan 1:56  Using the internet to find resources that can help you take care of yourself. Many of us are so preoccupied with taking care of others, whether at work or at home, that we forget to take care of ourselves. Not these Be It Pod listeners, right? Self-Care is described as caring for oneself through practices that promote. I just love how they use that word to define the word. They do it all the time. Self-care is described as caring for oneself through practices that promote health and active management of illness when it strikes. There are many ways to regularly practice self-care through food choices, exercise, sleep and dental care. For example, dental care, yeah, that's a form of self-care. Also going to get your annual visits are a form of self-care. I say drinking enough water is a form of self-care, like self-care can be free.Brad Crowell 2:42   I think the doctor's office visit thing is a big deal, you know, like. Lesley Logan 2:46  Because it's so hard to get the appointment. It's so easy to ignore them. It's taken four people to get me a doctor's appointment.Brad Crowell 2:53  Yeah, it's a, it's like a, it's a rabbit hole, right? And that's, that's half the problem is, like, you always have to start with your GP and then your GPS refer you to these other places and lalalalala whatever. But the point is that that, like, it's, it's, um, you know, it's a multiple step. It's such a multi-step process, and there's so much time between that. Like, it just feels like one of the things, you're like, I'll get to it eventually. Lesley Logan 3:15  Yeah. And then eventually you're like, oh, shit, it's been, like, a few years on. Brad Crowell 3:16  Yeah, it's been years. Lesley Logan 3:16  But if you do The Artist's Way, one of an artist states could be actually, like, making your doctor's appointments because they're so hard to do. They're not normal, right, just, like, to do. Anyways, if you are in the U.S. and you're trying to navigate your way through this shithole of a healthcare system, I see you, I hear you. Everyone gets to pick a cause in this world, and if that's gonna be yours, like, I will champion it with you. I'll highlight on your side. Like, I'm a big fan of dog rescues, but, like, I got a girlfriend who's we have a friend whose husband just had a random stroke. He's fucking our age. And she's stuck in another state, and she can't get, her insurance will cover the helicopter from Detroit to Denver, and she can't get Kaiser to just sign this one piece of paper. So they're stuck in a hospital for now, we're going on seven days waiting for someone to sign the piece of paper, and she's like, what do you have to do? I'm like, local news. That's we have to do, unfortunately, GoFundMe and local news. So anyways, self-care is going to your doctor's appointments. Take care of yourself. Also take care of yourself, because clearly, medical systems can't take care of you. So you got to care for yourself today. Brad Crowell 4:19  You know, they're, they're, yes, they're, they can't take care of you, and there's, they're not going to be reliable in the near future either, so. Lesley Logan 4:19  But if you hear an ad from FemGevity, I really do like them, and they are a great go-between, because they are the they actually answer my questions and they.Brad Crowell 4:33  But that's the irony. We're talking about a third party company, not the healthcare system. Lesley Logan 4:39  Right, right, right, right. Brad Crowell 4:40  And they better have their shit together. And yes, they do, and good for them for that. But also, what the fuck that it takes this to have that.Lesley Logan 4:48  Yeah, no, I have, I had to go pay on somehow on top of what I already paid for to get the help. But you know what? It's cheaper than being sick. So here, and also, like it has helped me. They've helped with my hormone therapy. They helped with my sleep. They helped with my digestion. So that's an act of self-care. So anyways, that got became a healthcare self-care day. But we'll, we'll move on. Lesley Logan 5:07  Today, we are back from our tour, and we are getting ready to go to the U.K. Brad Crowell 5:13  Oh, wait, there's one more self-care I wanted to talk about. Lesley Logan 5:15  Oh, what? Brad Crowell 5:16  OPC. Lesley Logan 5:17  Oh, OPC is absolutely a great way to. Brad Crowell 5:19  You could use the internet to take class and get you movement in on onlinepilatesclasses.com. Lesley Logan 5:24  I just want to give OPC a shout out in amazing way. So, in today's world where everyone's trying to sell you on some gimmick bullshit of what Pilates is, Pilates arms, and how you have to look a certain way, fuck that at OPC, we will never sell you on weight loss. We will never tell you that you have to get that Pilates will make your bio look a certain way, but we will make you strong as fuck and make sure you have the longevity for the life you want to live. You will have so much support. If you only take five minutes of a class, we will still cheer you on and championship you. If you miss a week, you're like, oh my god, I missed it. We were like, That's okay. You're here today. Like you have unconditional constant support of people, a bunch of women and a few good men, constantly supporting you, no matter what you look like, where you're at in your practice, how old you are, what you can do. Brad Crowell 6:07  A community is great. Lesley Logan 6:09  It's freaking awesome. And I am pissed off this week over recording this. It's obviously a different week than you're listening to it, but if you were on my Instagram, I'm so pissed off at the way people think they can talk about women's bodies and what a body is supposed to look like, and Pilate Arms and the New York fucking Times did a whole episode on Pilates arms, episode, article and the opinion page on Pilates arms. Brad Crowell 6:31  Did they really? Lesley Logan 6:31  And, yes, they did. And then, because I can't read, it's behind a paywall and I'm too pissed to give him money, they tried to attribute it to political beliefs. Let me explain you right now. There's no such thing as Pilates arm so there's no way in hell, Pilates can be a right or left situation, but if you have arms, you can do Pilates. Congratulations. Pilates arms. Correlation is not causation, like people try to use Jennifer Aniston as like, oh, Jennifer Aniston's arms is because of Pilates. No. Jennifer Aniston's arms are because she's Jennifer Aniston, who happens to do Pilates. You like anyways, so at OPC, we'll never sell you on that ship, because that they're lying to you. We are honest people about Pilates being here for your longevity, for the health of it, for the self-care of it. So anyway, okay, I'll get off.Brad Crowell 6:32  Especially the self-care of it. So love that. Lesley Logan 7:05  Get off my high horse. Brad Crowell 7:19  September is coming and we're going to be in the U.K. We're very excited to be coming back. It's been two years since we've been there. We're going to be in two locations, we're going to be in Leeds, we're going to be in Essex. So if that is near you, or if you know anyone who's in the area, even if they have to drive a couple of hours, we're flying halfway across the world to be there. We'd love to meet them.Lesley Logan 7:39  We're actually driving all the way to Essex. Brad Crowell 7:42  We, we are, we are driving. We're driving all the way up to Scotland and all the way back down to Essex.Lesley Logan 7:48  Yes and we don't even drive on that side of the road. So you can get on a train.Brad Crowell 7:53  We'll be driving for more than 20 hours in the U.K.Lesley Logan 7:55  You can fly from Europe to see us. Okay?Brad Crowell 7:59  I agree. Lesley Logan 7:59  No excuses. Brad Crowell 8:00  Go to opc.me/uk opc.me/uk and then in October, we're going to be at Pilates On Tour in Chicago, in Burr Ridge. Lesley Logan 8:11  Burr Ridge. It's in Chicago Land, specifically, Brad. And do you know what's really funny is, people are like there's no such thing as Chicago Land. But then Rachel Maddow goes, I love Chicago because it has this thing called Chicago Land. And I was like, it's a thing. We'll be in Burr Ridge. It's the sexiest part of Chicago. You know it. Anyways, last week, so, last week, when we recorded this, so a month ago, more than a month ago, it was 75% sold out. So don't wait to get your tickets. Like, you can get a day pass. You can get a weekend pass. Brad Crowell 8:38  I mean, there might only be those left. Lesley Logan 8:40  Yeah. So the day pass, I'm teaching the Joe's Gyms. We're gonna have a booth. Yeah, it's also our 10th year wedding anniversary, so come celebrate with us. Brad Crowell 8:48  Oh, actually, literally, that weekend. Lesley Logan 8:49  Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the first, first time we'll get on a plane while the time changes, and we miss it all together. So, so check it out. Just Google POT Chicago, and the link is way too long. They didn't give us a short one. Then we're going to be in Cambodia, and you can join us go to crowsnestretreats.com. I mean, you can literally sign up even as close to two weeks before the retreat, because it's Cambodia.Brad Crowell 8:49  Or if you're coming from Singapore or Australia, it's really easy, you know, yeah, we'd love to come have you. Come join us at crowsnestretreats.com.Lesley Logan 9:18  Also October, because my team just thinks I'll just work every day. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. There's days off, don't worry. There's days off. We are going on making a Singapore event happen, because it's very rare that we have a layover during the daytime. So we have a layover during the daytime, and so we can do an event at Singapore. So reach out to us about that. And then our winter tour is going to be in December. It's going to be humongous and we'll announce this in the fall. Brad Crowell 9:43  Yes, it is, this one's going to be even bigger than last year, and I'm already we're already planning it right now, in the summer, we're already planning it. We're going to be opening the doors to all that stuff in October, so. Lesley Logan 9:57  While we're, while we're off around the world, you can be signing up for that winter tour, so make sure you watch out for that. Okay, before we get into Sarah Rhoads, we have a question to answer. Brad Crowell 10:08  We sure did. Yeah, this is from a friend, Hilary Billings. She DM-ed you and said hey, do you like your weight vest? Needing to get one but I can't figure out what size or configuration would make most sense for me. I also don't want to look ridiculous, but I think I might just have to get over that.Lesley Logan 10:23  Yeah, so I do have a link to, here's the deal, it's not a, it's not a sexy company. You're gonna have to buy it on Amazon. But I have the link to the one I like, so.Brad Crowell 10:32  We'll put that in the show notes. Lesley Logan 10:33  Check the show notes. Okay, I think. Brad Crowell 10:36  Why do you like the one that one? What is it about it that makes it, I know we've gone through a couple.Lesley Logan 10:41  Yeah, so we're going back to the one I like, because the one that I have, I don't, I don't like the one that I have currently, and that's what I told her, so I like the one I had before, but I traded with Sue, because her husband bought her a 20-pound vest. She's not 100 pounds, guys. So, so here's the information about a weighted vest. You want one that's around 10% maybe 15% of your body weight, okay, so that's what you want. And there's a company that is called, like, Omorpho, and I'm trying to get. Brad Crowell 11:10  Is this the one that you shared with her? Lesley Logan 11:12  I tried to note I didn't share that with her. I try, I have an affiliate to that, and I don't like the vests are sexy and they're useless. It is two pounds or four pounds for women, and then six or eight pounds for men, what? And they're $300 so don't buy that one until I tell you to which is when they I said oh, I'll promote your vest when you have a weighted vest that actually makes sense with science. So it's beautiful, sexy, not ridiculous-looking, a waste of $300 and it doesn't even do what you need to do. So the vest that I like honestly, between the weight that you're getting, it's like between $30 and $60 it's not expensive. Where I think people have to be considerate is if they have chest abundance, if you have chest abundance, you might want to look at the one that I currently have, which I couldn't find online, but I'll tell you what it looks like. It has bungee cords on the sides. I think it's a men's one. It has bungee cords on the side so it works and it's longer. So if you have boobs, because the bungee cords can be loosened, and because it's longer, it can go across the boobs, yes. The one that we'll put in the link to the show notes, is the one I like. I can't, I can't attest to the chest abundance, because I don't have it. But why I like it is, it's actually short, more like a crop, and so it's not going all in on my lower back. I didn't, I don't like that, because my lower back then sweats. It's, it is the weight feels more distributed around my whole body. This one that I have just feels like it's very much on my shoulders. But maybe it's because I don't have boobs. Maybe if I had boobs. Brad Crowell 12:43  No, I think it's also that it's too heavy. Lesley Logan 12:44  It's also mine's too heavy. It's 20 pounds, and I really should be on a 16 pound weighted vest. So, Brad, congratulations, you have a vest, and that's exactly what you wanted. Brad Crowell 12:53  It's more than 10% of my body weight, so. Lesley Logan 12:56  20 pounds, it is. It's like, yeah, it is, unfortunately. I don't know who's gonna get it, but, but I'm new with a 16 pound one, I would say, like most people, should start with that 12 to 15 pound, if that's 10% if you're like, oh, that sounds really heavy. 15 pounds, start with a 10 to 12. You can all they'll last forever. Just give them to a friend who wants to start it like it just make, create an exchange, like a book club, you know. But check the show notes. I really like wearing mine on morning walks, because here's the deal, my dog walks now that I have a whoop man, that shows me how literally useless a dog walk is on your health. Like, of course, it's lovely. It's nice you're outside. Brad Crowell 13:35  But you are getting steps so there's movement actually. Lesley Logan 13:36  And you're getting steps. It's so great for that second heart, but it is doing zero on the strain that you can put on your body. And so adding the weight vest kind of intensifies the walk by about 15% so if you are looking for adding that intensity, maybe you're a really busy person, it's really good. Apparently, there is some science around how it's really good if you are perimenopausal, menopausal, and increasing bone density, strength, like that, all those things, I can't tell you, but Dr. Mclaire has done a post about it. And then there's a guy, something Easter, Adam or David Easter, he's in a whole post about it. So if you're really curious, take a look at those things. But I just personally like it because it really challenged me to sit up really tall. I can't. Brad Crowell 14:03  It kind of forces you to you can't be leaning over when you got a weighted vest on. You can't be slouching. You feel it. Lesley Logan 14:23  You should wear a weighted vest while it's pod, maybe I won't move all around the place, driving Brad crazy.Brad Crowell 14:27  I don't believe it. All right. Well, if you have a question, you could text us at 310-905-5534, or if you don't want to text, you can just go to beitpod.com/questions and you could submit either a win or your question. Lesley Logan 14:41  And we want your wins. Brad Crowell 14:42  We do want your wins because of our Friday episode, share something that you're really proud of yourself for, you know, like, it's, don't worry, it's not bragging.Lesley Logan 14:50  If you're like, I can't do it, then share a friend's win, and then you'll crack the seal, and then you can share your own,Brad Crowell 14:55  Yeah, let's go, let's go. Pull out your phone right now. Go to beitpod.com/questions. Lesley Logan 14:55  Your win can literally be that you took a walk this morning. Brad Crowell 14:59  Yeah, I want to see, I want to see some wins next week.Lesley Logan 15:05  If you've ever woken up on the wrong side of the bed, it's like, and then you go for the walk, like, the win is that you didn't let that keep you from, like, making the day a better day, just saying.Brad Crowell 15:15  You got this. All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this amazing convo you have with Sarah Rhoads about some really cool shoes that she's been making. Brad Crowell 15:24  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Sarah Rhoads. Sarah is a photographer-turned-entrepreneur and the founder of Commbi Footwear. After a successful career shooting for top brands like Keds and building a creative campaign, building creative campaigns with her husband, she made a bold pivot into footwear design to solve a problem she's personally faced. Together, she and her husband developed a modular supported shoe system. Even taught himself AutoCAD to help to prototype their designs, and we're gonna talk more about it because they're fun. But Sarah is actually a mom of three and a firm believer in curiosity and alignment. Her story is a master class in vision, grit and reinvention, and it was a really fun conversation. Yeah, she's very bubbly. Lesley Logan 16:11  I just like her. She's also adorbs. I hope to meet her in person. So these shoes came on my radar. And I like, you know, if you listen to this pod long enough, you know, like, I love to be cookied. I just think it's the greatest thing. Because, like, sometimes you want something but you don't know you like that. You don't want to buy it right now, and sometimes you wanted to see it a few times to see, like, do I really want this? Like, do I miss it? So anyways, I'd interviewed the Gait Happens people, and they, like, slammed on our Birkenstocks, and it was like, a B minus. Brad Crowell 16:34  It wasn't a slam. Lesley Logan 16:35  Well, it was a B minus. Brad. Brad Crowell 16:38  I listened to that episode, she said, she said. Lesley Logan 16:43  B minus. Brad Crowell 16:43  She said they're not, they're not the best, they're not the worst. It was a B, in the B.Lesley Logan 16:48  But also, it was a B minus. Brad Crowell 16:49  She said that the problem with them was that they're too stiff, they really help with forming your foot, but then, like, there's never any give, so it's training your foot not to actually work. Lesley Logan 16:59  Right So they actually are not doing the things that they say they're gonna do. So then I saw Commbi, and I saw these girls doing these ads, like how they wear them and how they use them, I was like, wow, that's really cool. I think this could solve the world's problems on, like, the footwear thing. And also they're much cuter, right? They're like, not so they're much sexier. Brad Crowell 17:16  But what makes, why Commbi? What is Commbi about Commbi?Lesley Logan 17:16  But then I so, anyways, so then I ordered a pair. Okay, so order a pair during the winter, ordered some sandals, ordered the pair, and then I took a picture with them. And I, oh, I actually, I asked a question. I said, oh, when are the shearlings gonna come back? And the owner, Sarah, DM-ed me right away. Hi. This is the owner. We're out of stock on those right now. But like, here, I'll get back to you da-da. And I was like, whoa. She does her DMs like, I do my DMs. I like this person as a person, right like, now, now I'm past the company. Now I'm into the person. Then I got the shoes, took a picture in Palm Springs, and she's like, oh my gosh. She started chatting back and forth. And then I was like, looking at her story, and I'm like, I want her on the Be It Pod, because, like, if this isn't a be it till you see it story, like, I don't know what is, right, like, she's not a shoe person, she's not podiatrist, she's a photographer, and she, like, created a shoe. So now, what is what is it? I mean.Brad Crowell 18:13  Why is it called Commbi? Who? What? That's a weird name for the shoe, unless you understand what the shoe can do. Lesley Logan 18:19  So speak so to answer, why was I asking about shearling? Because you can take the sh, you know how, like, Uggs have that, like, shearling bed, and then you wear it a few times, and then it gets matted and nasty. Well, her shoe, you can take that shearling bed out, and you could put a terry cloth bed in. You could put. Brad Crowell 18:36  It's the bed of the shoe. Lesley Logan 18:36  The bed of the shoe. Brad Crowell 18:36  The bed, the sole of the shoe splits in two, and the bottom of shoe stays, and then the sole itself, the inside of the shoe can come off.Lesley Logan 18:47  If you, like, there's, there's definitely something in the 80s fashion that, like, this is absolutely something we've done, like, it's like a mix and match, it's a combination, right? Like, the mix and you can mix and match the beds of the of the shoe. And now I have like, five beds, and I mix and match them all the time. In fact, the last DM we have because I had a fly to Stockton for like 17 hours. And for flight, I wore the terry cloth because, you know, like, sometimes you're hot, sometimes you're cold. So I wore the terry cloth took the beds out, threw them in my purse. I only had an overnight bag because I was wearing the same outfit twice. Put the red the red leather beds in look dressy for the dinner party. Went back to my hotel, put the red leather up, put it in my purse, put the terry cloth on, flew home and nice and comfort like a slipper. So anyways, like I'm just obsessed, and she's so cool. So let's talk about her, because it's not an ad for her shoe. We make no money on them. Brad Crowell 19:39  That's true. Lesley Logan 19:40  She said, when my curiosity really is piqued and I feel scared and terrified, I usually know that as a thing I need to go after, and I resonate with that so much like we resist, like what we resist will persist, and like you have to kind of go through the fear to get to where you want to go. And she highlighted the hardest part of her pivot was getting over her self-limiting beliefs. I mean, like, can you imagine, like, being a photographer, a very established photographer, like fucking Taylor Swift, guys, Keds, all this stuff, and she's like, I'm gonna do my own shoe. And like, products are so hard. Product business is so hard.Brad Crowell 20:17  She said she flew to China to meet with her the manufacturing company, and there was a problem with the design, and so she bought a one-way ticket because she said I'm not coming back until we've figured out the solution. Lesley Logan 20:33  Yeah, yeah. So, because the and.Brad Crowell 20:36  By the way, most shoes are made in China. That's where all the factories are for this kind of stuff, same with socks.Lesley Logan 20:48  Everything is made there, so. Except for our flashcards apparently,Brad Crowell 20:48  Well, we could. We have the choice. Lesley Logan 20:48  We have the choice. Brad Crowell 20:46  We do have a company in Florida for those. But. Lesley Logan 20:48  Yeah, there are, like, some clothing brands that we've had Ripley Rader on, and there's some other ones that they can make their clothes in the US. However, you need to understand that there's not a single zipper made in the United States.Brad Crowell 20:58  Right. So, like, parts of it are still being imported. And like, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:02  Yeah. But, but she, I want to just keep going. Like she just the perseverance and like, she put a quote on her iPhone lock screen that says what if you have what it takes? And I really love this. I like, need it somewhere I can see it all the time. What if you have what it takes? And so I think, like, what she kind of obsesses about is like, I'm deeply curious about what the edges of my ability, what am I capable of? Brad Crowell 21:25  What are the edges? Lesley Logan 21:26  What are the edges? And to find that out, I have to go to the edge of my fear and look over it. And I think like to to for you first all to be it till we see it, it's going to require us to face our fear and look at it and believe we have what it takes. Because you gotta dress for who you wanna be, you gotta act for who you wanna be, you gotta make decisions for who you wanna be, even though you're not there yet.Brad Crowell 21:48  I bet you that. So, so I relate to this in the sense of, like, being on stage, and you know, when you're on stage as a big group, you can hide. When you're on stage and you're the front, at the front, it, you can't hide. And or if you're the only person you know, and I bet you that most Pilates teachers who have done a group class the first few times were really intimidating, right? Where you have to be up in front of a bunch of people speaking, right? And at first that was probably like, something that that was a little bit scary, but over time, you start to get through it right. And that, I think that's the kind of fear that she was talking about that like, you know, one thing that I really loved, that she said was, everything is working out for my greater good. Everything is working out for us, right? She and her husband, they say this daily to themselves, especially when challenges show up. This is like their their mantra, and they they genuinely believe that this helps to shift the focus away from the challenges that are impacting their businesses, which always happen, always. Challenges just seem to come by, right? So, but when you're focusing on the positive, that's one of the things that we that we challenge all of our members inside of Agency as well. Hey, when you're going to ask a question about a problem you have before you do that, you have to celebrate a win or to tell something that you're grateful for, right? And the reason is the same here. When you focus that everything is working out for us, everything is working out for my greater good, when you focus on those things, you're more apt to see those things when you when you say to yourself, everything is shit. I hate it all, you're just going to see all the things that are shit. You hate it all. We talked about this before. I can't remember what episode, but it was like, count the number. Like, if you say, if you look at something blue, and you say, blue, right? You look at blue and look at red.Lesley Logan 23:26  Oh, that's actually an episode that's coming out. It's Brad Bizjack. I don't think he we talked about that. Brad Crowell 23:31  No, no, yeah, but you and I talked about it before. And, like, all of a sudden, you know, you start to see all the things that are red, or all the things that are blue, because you've focused on them. So it's the same exact idea here. And I just, I love that. I think it's great, you know. And she said that, you know, the other thing with, with being an entrepreneur, she said, sometimes you tackle something and it doesn't, it seems like a dud. Oh, I started this whole conversation with these people about this thing, and then nothing ever came to it, or, you know, whatever, whatever. And, like, you know, it seems like, where do I put my time and all the things? And she said, hey, everything leads to everything. Everything leads to everything, right? So being part of an entrepreneur is being someone who has an appetite for adventure, being, you know, being willing to explore. She said, there's no trail, no map, you're just kind of in the woods with the machete, right? And it's you're out there trying to figure it all out. And every time you make a new connection, you know, you might not have any like, reciprocation from that action today, but there will, you know, like, eventually things can are connected. It comes back. Lesley Logan 24:30  Also, like sometimes, like just having a conversation that hits a dead end, allows you to get more comfortable with an idea that you might have had fear around. And then when you have it with a different person, you have a whole different perspective, because you it's not the first time you're voicing it. I always tell some of our Agency members, I was like, I taught a woman, she took a first time session with me during a time that a client was on vacation, so I didn't normally have that time. The client's only on vacation for one week, but she she came in for a first time session, and none of my other times worked out for her. And so I actually had to refer her to a friend. But do you want to know something? Love me so much. She sent me a ton of clients. Everything is everything. So she didn't, and why didn't she send to my friend who she took one, I don't know, but she sent me them. And the point is, like, don't go oh, I'm not gonna teach that person. I'm not gonna take that because, like, I'm only available this one time. It's like, just go have the conversation. You can always be like, that was really cool. Here's this other person, like, I'm someone who, like, sometimes sets to hermit. I get a little overwhelmed. So I totally understand if you're like, I don't want to go do that, but like, you have to say it's to all of the things. But try it. Try just going like, you know, if you normally say no to 80% of opportunities, maybe, maybe say yes to like, 35% and just like start to get warmed up with that muscle and have some fun with it, because it does lead to everything.Brad Crowell 25:46  Everything leads to everything. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we got more gold coming down from Sarah Rhoads, in the Be It Action Items. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 25:56  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sarah Rhoads? She said stick with it. Stick it out, right? And you two are having this really fun conversations about, you know, the overnight success of the actor and like, having lived in Los Angeles, we are very aware that, like, it's a slow, long road to it's very, very rare that someone is like an overnight success in the real sense of that.Lesley Logan 26:30  There's a really cool book that's that I just heard about where this, I forget the name won't come to me, but he literally, like the little like the tagline is, like, my 20 years to overnight success.Brad Crowell 26:40  Right, exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's the joke, right? That's the running joke. And you were talking about behind the scenes, right? The building phase. It's truly one of the hardest phases, because no one can actually see what you're doing. And she said that they just launched their company last, end of last year, but they've been working on it for three, right? And she said.Lesley Logan 26:58  Oh, yeah. I mean, like, I saw the ads. I'm like, oh, my God, they're a huge company. She's DM-ing me and her husband emails customer support, so. Brad Crowell 27:06  They're both working. They answer everything, right? She said, it's really hard to do the work, the building phase work, and because, because no one around you can see the vision or the or the results of where it's going to be, where it's gonna go, and you have it in your head, right? And sometimes it's hard to convince other people that this is gonna be the thing. It's gonna be amazing, but, you know it will be, and that's, that's the thing. You have to trust yourself, right? She said, really good things are on the other side of the building phase of when you're able to finally open the doors, get, you know, launch your product, or introduce your book, or whatever it might be, like, the amount of prep time it takes to do it right, you know, you have to be able to believe in yourself and so.Lesley Logan 27:52  Yeah, I mean, I think the key thing, and I was like, oh, do you trust yourself? Like, do you? So she said, knowing deep in your soul that everything's working out for you, and knowing that anyone can do anything, what a be it, like, anyone can do anything. So why can't you do the thing you want to do? Because anyone can do anything. And she emphasized the importance of protecting autonomy pretty fiercely to avoid burnout. I'm gonna just say fiercely. Protect your autonomy fiercely. One of the reasons I see people burn out is they don't protect their autonomy. They they are afraid of losing a client or of pissing off a friend, so they just say yes to all these things, and their schedule is not their own. Their schedule is being formed by other people's schedules. And it's like the whole idea, like, if you don't have goals, someone else has goals for you. If you don't protect your autonomy, someone else will make sure your schedule is theirs. It's how it's gonna go. Brad Crowell 28:38  It's true. Lesley Logan 28:42  She prioritizes self-care through specific regular habits. She's also part of an amazing book club, and she makes time for it, and I think that is so cool. She hikes and gets outside nature three days a week. She stays connected to make things that make her feel alive, not just what makes money. And she advised trusting yourself and believing yourself. So with that, trust keeps coming up. You guys, let me just remind you three children, and they're not older. When I asked her, I'm pretty sure they were, like, under 10. So like, young.Brad Crowell 29:10  The kids, yeah, I think the oldest, I'm pretty sure, actually, now I don't remember. But yeah, they're not old.Lesley Logan 29:15  I don't think not a single one of them can drive themselves anywhere. So here's what my point being like this is a mom and a business owner who works with her husband, and if she can protect her autonomy fiercely, you can do it. You can do it. Yes, it's hard. Yes, people are gonna get pissed off because you're changing the boundaries on them. You're changing the rules they will get over it because you're gonna be a funner person to be around. That's just what I think. Sarah Rhoads, you are amazing. I love you so much. I hope we can be friends.Brad Crowell 29:48  Me too.Lesley Logan 29:48  I hope she's, what if she's listening? Well, anyways, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 29:54  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:55  Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. Go check her out, and if anything, let her be an inspiration to what you can do. You can change your career anytime, because you're curious and you believe in yourself, and Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 30:08  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 30:10  Oh, we didn't tell. Brad Crowell 30:11  Oh, we got a secret for y'all. Lesley Logan 30:14  We have a secret. Brad Crowell 30:15  Yeah, we got a surprise. Lesley Logan 30:16  I don't know how. Don't let them go too way soon. You guys, Commbi has given us a secret discount code for you. BEIT10. Brad Crowell 30:25  BEIT10. Lesley Logan 30:26  Yeah, get 10% off your shoes. And if you're like, what? Yeah, no, she just gave it to me, and I love it. I've used it. I have four pairs already. Don't worry, I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna wear them all this weekend in L.A. They're so comfortable. I'm quite (inaudible).Brad Crowell 30:40  Clearly she said that they they are even making them for men. Lesley Logan 30:43  They have men's shoes. I showed them to you. Yes, I know we gotta, we gotta work them out, babe. Brad Crowell 30:46  We gotta work them out. Lesley Logan 30:48  We gotta get you switched over. Yeah, there's men's collection. Brad Crowell 30:52  They're pretty cool. Lesley Logan 30:53  They're really cool. Brad Crowell 30:54  Yeah, they look good. Lesley Logan 30:55  I, really obsessed. I literally wear them all the time. I don't even put, I like, I used to be a tennis shoes person always. Now I'm like, slipping on my Commbis to go outside to get the mail, because, holy fuck, the sidewalk is hot, so I gotta put them on. And I just love them. And my toe spacers from Gait Happens fit on my toes while I'm wearing my Commbis, which is essential. That's a couple plugs All right. Now you can go, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 31:20  See you next time, y'all.Lesley Logan 31:22  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 32:04  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 32:09  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 32:14  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 32:21  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 32:24  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 32:37  Oh, it's, where's my phone? It's on Instagram. Brad Crowell 32:40  It's on the gram the Instagram.Lesley Logan 32:52  All right, I'm here. Brad Crowell 32:53  You're here. Lesley Logan 32:53  Can we go? Brad Crowell 32:54  Can just sit how you're gonna sit. Okay, you gonna sit over there, or you gonna sit on the other side? Where are you gonna sit? This isn't a merry go round. Lesley Logan 33:08  I'm gonna sit right here. We need a couch. Brad Crowell 33:11  I'm gonna adjust the sofa. This is the sofa. I've adjusted the sofa. Here we go. We do need a couch. That'd be fun. I'd love to change up our setup.Lesley Logan 33:22  I know I want to go to Joy Bird. I want one of their cute couches.Brad Crowell 33:26  I'd love to get, like, a wide shot and a. Joy Bird, what? Lesley Logan 33:31  Oh, look up Joy bird's couches, amazing.Brad Crowell 33:34  Well, we'll get there, but I want to actually, like make the lounge vibe. That'd be cool. Lesley Logan 33:38  Yeah, this is not the vibe anymore. Brad Crowell 33:40  Yeah, I'm in on change. All right, cool. Here we go.Lesley Logan 33:44  We could do wallpaper instead of this.Brad Crowell 33:48  We could, but I think we should actually have like, different backgrounds so that you could have one for Profitable Pilates, one for this, one for that.Lesley Logan 33:56  What if we did walls? What if this is the Be It wall that was the Profitable Pilates wall? Brad Crowell 33:56  And we just like, rotate, like. Lesley Logan 33:56  Yeah, we just rotate the chairs. Brad Crowell 34:12  Like the whole floor, like. Lesley Logan 34:14  Yeah, oh, they could just, like, press a button.Lesley Logan 34:22  No bad ideas on a brainstorm. Brad Crowell 34:24  She can't help herself. Literally cannot help herself. Lesley Logan 34:29  I'm ready. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Sarah Rhoads went from photographing celebrities to reinventing her life at 40 as the founder of Commbi Shoes, a modular, podiatrist-backed footwear brand rooted in beauty, function, and sustainability. In this inspiring conversation, Lesley Logan talks with Sarah about entrepreneurial grit, radical reinvention, and building purpose-driven products with your family by your side. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why Sarah left a successful career at 40 to start Commbi Shoes.How to find courage and push past fear when reinventing your career.The power of building a brand rooted in function, beauty, and sustainability.What it's really like behind the scenes when building a business with your spouse. Sarah's approach to entrepreneurial challenges and problem solving.Why it's important to protect your autonomy to prevent burnout. Episode References/Links:Commbi Website - https://www.commbi.co (Use code: BEIT10 for 10% off!)Commbi Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/commbi_officialSarah Rhoads' Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sarahrhoadsEp. 547 with Dr. Jennifer Perez - https://beitpod.com/gaithappensGuest Bio:Sarah Rhoads is the fearless founder of Commbi, a groundbreaking footwear brand born from courage, curiosity, and a refusal to settle for “good enough.” Once a sought-after fashion photographer for major global brands, Sarah boldly reinvented her career to design the shoes she—and countless women—had always dreamed of wearing. With zero experience in footwear manufacturing, she turned fear into fuel, spending years creating a patented, interchangeable design that delivers both comfort and elegance. A wife, mother of three, and unstoppable innovator, Sarah's journey is proof that anyone can chase a wild idea, break past self-doubt, and create something extraordinary that changes lives one step at a time. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I usually know that that is the thing I need to go after.Lesley Logan 0:30  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:13  Hello. Hi, Be It babe. Welcome welcome to the podcast. Oh, my God, this is so fun, because you're about to hear two women who've never met but totally love each other already. Just connect and share stories. And our guest today is Sarah Rhoads of Commbi shoes. And like one of the things I love about this podcast is I get to meet some really insanely amazing people and also, like, hopefully start wonderful relationships. At any rate, I really was excited to share her story with you, because I do think it's what you need right now. You need to hear a story about someone who's not a shoe manufacturer making the most amazing shoes. You need to hear about a woman who had a very, very successful career pivot to doing something she's never done before. And you need to hear that, you know, you can do all these things while being a wife and a mother and be authentic to yourself and do the things that let you up. So I'm super excited for this episode, so I'm gonna let you get right into it. Thank you, Sarah Rhoads for being here, and here she is. Lesley Logan 2:08  Okay, Be It babe. I'm gonna tell you right now that like today's guest and I aren't best friends yet, but I hope in the future, we are because I already love her so much. I've been following her for a while. I will say, probably our first guest that I, like, got me by an ad so but, but our audience knows that I'm someone who's like, I'm gonna click on that ad. I love being cookied. I love when ads follow me around and remind me of the things that I want to have. And so today's guest is the founder of Commbi shoes, and it's Sarah Rhoads. Oh my gosh, hello, welcome to the Be It pod. Can you tell everyone like who you are and what you rock at, just in case they haven't, they didn't find you through Instagram like me.Sarah Rhoads 2:49  Well, first off, I'm so happy to be here, Lesley, and thanks so much for having me. You just have such a great energy. And I love other women that are doing great stuff. So I am a photographer turned entrepreneur. And as Lesley said, I own Commbi, which is a shoe company. I'm a founder of it that basically I created the dream shoes that I myself couldn't find, and I went and created them. I've never made shoes before. This is all just like if you told me 10 years ago, this is what I'd be doing now, I would have surprised myself. So I did a complete life pivot in, I'm 40 this year, and I basically went from a really successful career as a lifestyle fashion photographer shooting for Fortune 100 brands to doing Commbi, which is now I make shoes.Lesley Logan 3:41  I am obsessed. And like, I really like, I feel like, you know, like I got stalked by your gorgeous shoes. And I just was like, it was winter time, and I was like, I don't need those yet. I was on tour, and I was like, we'll just like it. We'll just like it. And then it was like, the seventh one. I was like, okay, I'll just buy them now, so they're at home when I get home and I DM-ed you about a question about because, okay, you guys, we're gonna get into her shoes in a second. I'm gonna get to our journey. But I just want to say, the shoes, why I was obsessed with them, is like, oh, I could just take the insole out and change it so I have, because I'm someone who needs to have a lot of shoes. Like my mother, she probably, I was, probably not a nice compliment, but she was like, you're like, like the woman from the Philippines who has a million shoes. And I was like, yeah, I do. I love shoes. I have no blank T-shirts, guys. I only have shoes and sweatshirts. But I, so I was upset. And you yourself, DM-ed me back. And I was like, another founder who reads her own DMs, I'm already so now I'm like, well, now I'm following and I'm gonna stalk you a little bit.Sarah Rhoads 4:41   I'm all about the, I like, love interacting with people, (inaudible) building is like, what I'm all about. And I created these shoes as much for myself as I did for others and to help people. And I was like, so I really like to, like, talk like, I still, Chris, Chris handles all, my husband and co-founder, Chris handles all of the customer service emails. I handle all of the DMs, all the socials so, yeah, we're like, in it.Lesley Logan 5:12  Yeah, no, I feel you. Like, I we have an amazing customer service team too, but like, I do read all my DMs. People are like, oh, it's you. And I'm like, yeah, like, how will I know what to create, if I don't talk to you. Before we go into why your shoes are so amazing, even more though, you are a successful lifestyle photographer, like, there was no need to change anything except for that, you wanted amazing shoes for yourself. How? How do you, like, I know lots of our listeners are like, but how do you make a pivot like that because it's not like, you're like, oh, I'm going to be a photographer, and then I'm going to, like, you know, make a camera, something that you're familiar with. You're like, no, I'm going to make a shoe. And as someone who also makes products, like, you don't know, thank goodness you don't know what you don't know when you get into it, because otherwise you wouldn't. But like, how did you make that pivot?Sarah Rhoads 5:56  So, I think, you know, to start a little bit back, my husband and I met when we were 18 in college, and we have been working on creative endeavors together, like since we met. And so, you know, in some kind of entrepreneurial fashion, you know, basically what started as creative services through photography. I mean, we've shot Taylor Swift for Keds, like all these brands, and really, I think alignment is a really important thing to me, and I'm very I always feel like I'm very attuned to when I feel like I'm not on the right path. And there started to become a point I have three kids that are eight, six and three, and there started to become a point where I was just feeling not as creatively invigorated by these things I was working on in advertising. I will always be a storyteller, because it's just who I am. I love photography. However, it started to just feel like this isn't as fulfilling to me and my purpose and my calling at this stage in my life as I need it to be. So there was that, coupled with I was a dancer and I had foot issues, and being on set, I would be shooting people for 12 hours a day on my feet. I'm not a tennis shoe girlie. I do not wear heels. I have, like, sort of some foot issues. So I had tried every shoe in the game. I had tried Danskos, Birkenstocks, the Vince mules, like, if it was, like, stylish and, you know, Net-a-Porter, like, styles that I like, they had zero support. If it was like, you know, orthoticy, biotic, all this kind of stuff. It was grandma looking and so, like, I had resorted to putting insoles into my mules and my clogs and my slides on set, and my husband was like, this looks so bad, Sarah, because, like my little like insole would be flopping around. It's awful, because I wear, like, open back shoes. We live in California. That's like, my lifestyle. And so basically, we set out, like, this was, like three years ago now, to sort of say, well, let's get a 3D printer. My husband taught himself AutoCAD, and we started inventing, essentially, like, how could we take a like, allow people the opportunity to completely like, first off, create a supportive shoe. So we worked with podiatrists to create a shoe that's number one, fits the need that I needed, which was supportive, and then design it in styles that I myself wear, but then allow people to modulate it like based on the season or their preference. So for example, I hated how my Uggs, the shearling would go flat after a season, and I'd have to throw away this beautiful mule that I was like, this feels so wasteful to me. What if I could just, like, switch out that element and then keep the whole shoe like, it feels more sustainable. It feels more like practical, I'm a practical lady, and so that is how we came to basically file for our patent after we've did several thousands of iterations on like, how could we make this work where you can modulate just the footbed and allow people to be creative, allow people to be in the driver's seat of what they want, provide something that's more sustainable in a way. And so thus became like, well, okay, I guess we're inventing a new way to do shoes and.Lesley Logan 9:22  You, I mean, like, literally, like, that's why I don't have any of the shoe. Like, I had bought the shearling Birkenstock. So I was like, oh, those are so cute. It's like, four years ago I needed some house slippers in the summer, you know, we, our house is tile, everyone. So if you, if you walk around tile with bare feet, you just get ugly feet. So I was like, oh, I'll have these, like, shearling. No, within a summer, it's like, rub down and it's ugly. And now I have this shoe that is perfectly fine. It has not been worn enough. And then also, did you okay? Get this. So, I interviewed one of the founders of Gait Happens, G-A-I-T Gait Happens on this podcast. It hasn't released yet, but you gotta check it out. And I said, oh, my husband wears, like, Birkenstocks. This is the only shoe he wears. And she goes, I give it a b minus.Sarah Rhoads 9:23  Same. And that, I hate, I don't, I'm not here to diss. Lesley Logan 10:11  Right. We're not, you're not dissing. I'll bring up their name.Sarah Rhoads 10:14  Yes, but I am sure to say for not, not for everybody. Like, I thought, work is like, hard. It's like, I didn't like that it took such a break-in period. So I was like, why don't I create a supportive shoe that has a memory foam that doesn't have the break-in period of a Birkenstock? Like, why not try something different? So, yeah. Lesley Logan 10:32  Okay, so, I'm sure people caught on so, you're 40. You have three kids under 10. You're my you're like, a superhero. How like, and you and your family made this transition together? Like, there are so many questions I have there, which is, like, to switch financially, your whole thing over, and then to be present for children. But also, like, not burn yourself out. Can you tell us the process you went through?Sarah Rhoads 11:02  Yeah, okay, so and I'm still going through it, to be totally honest with you, I feel like a pivot, the biggest thing that was the hardest for me is getting over my self-limiting beliefs in the beginning, like that was step one for me, when I started to sort of say no, like, this feels insane that I want to do this, but like, I want to do this, and my curiosity is pulling me. And when my curiosity really is peaked and I feel scared and terrified, I usually know that that is the thing I need to go after. That's sort of my recipe for, like, I know that's on my path of alignment, and I kept feeling that. And so I really had to do a lot of work to break down my self-limiting beliefs, number one, to even step into this space of like I can do this, you know, and so much so I had, you know, this, this on my home screen of my iPhone, I had like, a thing that said, what if you have what it takes. You know, it's still on there, actually, what if you have what it takes? Because I had so many moments of like, this is insane, no one's going to understand you, Sarah, like, why would you do, like people are going to be like, what are you doing? Like, and all those self-doubt, things, that (inaudible) imposter syndrome we all deal with when we pivot, or we're even thinking about pivoting. And I just started to, like reframe that for myself, to be like, no, I am deeply curious about what are the edges of my ability. Like, what am I capable of? And like to find that out, I have to go to the edge of my fear and look over the the edge of it. And entrepreneurship, so much in this journey for me has so much been, as much as it's been an external one, it's more of an internal one for myself, of like, can I do this, and do I have what it takes? And I, I do, like, I think all people can do all things genuinely. And, you know, it started there, and then, you know, of course, my husband and I, as co-founders, had to really come together of like, okay, can we utilize our previous skill set, which we've done our 10,000 hours plus on mastering, is there a way to parlay that also to be a strength in this new world? And there is, like we just shot our Commbi campaign for all of the new material, like we utilize our skill sets that we have used in our previous We Are The Rhoads studio all the time, like all of our network of models and you know, all of that is used in this new business, which is so cool. And I think like trusting that and knowing, like, hey, I didn't know how to really make a product that I learned got on a plane, and you can learn anything if you're curious enough and willing to be, like, moldable, I think anything is possible. And so that's kind of, we launched August last year, and we've had.Lesley Logan 14:06  I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. That's insane. Okay, so it's not even a year old yet.Sarah Rhoads 14:13  No, we're going on our first year and, like, I mean, we've been working on this behind the scenes for like, three years, so it feels a lot older to us, but it's also, you know, we're a new company, a new business, and every day is learning. And as an entrepreneur, as you know, every day is learning. And for me, the meaning of life is to learn, to grow and to expand. And so for me, this is checking all those boxes every single day. When I wake up, I learn new things everyday. So you know what I mean?Lesley Logan 14:43  I do. Everyday I'm like, okay, like, well, and also, what happens is, like, you still you, unless you take time to reflect, you don't realize, like, the things you learned a year ago, you're actually now an expert at, and you're slaying but there's just a new, new thing. You did it now, and with everything that goes on all the time. You're kind of like, okay, okay, so how do I, how do I take what I believe in and exist in this area because this area has changed now, but I want to exist like this here. And so you are, you, it's a, it, you know what? It's a lot if they say, like, if you want to learn about yourself, become an entrepreneur, because you really learn about yourself.Sarah Rhoads 15:19  It's true. It's true. And I'm, like, deeply curious about, like, okay, what are the depths of my ability and, like, my capacity, I, you know? And, yeah, you learn it. You're scared every day. You know that, that's for me what I'm like, retraining my brain right now, the work I'm doing, is to learn that this is what it is. This is normal. Problem solving problems is, is that is what it is to be a founder. That is what it is to be an entrepreneur. You grow out of a system, you expand into something else, like, oh, we're having to expand warehouses right now because we grew out of this. It's like, at first, I was like, oh, oh no. Is something wrong? It's like, no, that is, that is, that is what it is. It's figuring things out and you know, like, that's what entrepreneurship is, is creative problem-solving a lot of it, so.Lesley Logan 16:11  Yeah, well, congrats on outgrowing your first warehouse, or maybe it's your second already. But I, I want to highlight let you like, like, what we know as Commbi, like, what we've seen is almost a year old, but that you guys have been working behind the scenes for three years. And I think that that's the thing that like, no matter how many times I hear it, I have to share it because, because we are like, oh my God, look at the successful brand here. Look at what they're doing. And it's like, you didn't see the three to four years of sweat, tears, wonder, fear, lots of money invested. Like, you you actually are seeing the like, there is no such thing as an overnight success. Like, we know this, you and I live like you still live in L.A. but I lived in like, we know that no one is an overnight movie star, that was like a decade of auditions and like little roles in the background and all these different things. And then they filmed this thing two years ago, and they've just been waiting for us to all see it. So, you know, I think it's like we have to be reminded of that, because if you have an idea that you are going for and you're feeling frustrated because it's been a year, it's been three to four years before the rest of us, like, before, and then also, like, do you just heard me say it like, took like, seven times for me to go, yeah, I think, you know, like, the world is like, taking its time to site, making decisions on what it wants to do with your product. And so it's not personal. It's just like, that's how long things take.Sarah Rhoads 17:35  Yeah, and I would say, like, I would encourage anybody who's like, in that phase of, like, building behind the scenes, I feel like that's, it's truly one of the hardest phases, because no one can see what you're doing, and you have to have this, like, self-determined belief in yourself and what you're doing. And that takes, it's really hard to do that work, but like, stick with it. Like, stick it out, because I feel like really good things are always on the other side of that, like that curiosity and that sort of determination, but it's really hard to do that, that type that space, that's the building phase, where no one can see what you're doing, and you're just like, I'm creating this thing. I hope people will like it. I hope people will like be (inaudible), like it will help their life and and then when you get to launch and you see like it does, and you hear from customers being like, oh my gosh, I love this. I love your shoes. They're like, exactly what I want. Like, it's like, oh, I didn't just create the shoes for me. I created them for, you know, other people too. Lesley Logan 18:43  Yeah, well, I mean, like, just to give you a compliment to your face, since, like, because you need it. Another one, I'm sure, as a business, I'm always, like, give me all the compliments on my things. You like, I am almost a size 10 foot, and so, like, slides were never awesome because my heels would somehow hit the ground. No one wants their you know what I mean? And then, like, and then I have a wide toe box, but a narrow heel, and it's just always been an issue. So I was a tennis shoe girly, because, like, that's it. That's the only shoes that would stay on my feet and keep and so, but I am like, oh, these shoes. I feel like, I feel luxurious in I feel like they're, you know, these are not just like, like when I put my Birkenstocks on, yes, I still, I have some pairs. Like, I'm like, I'm like, okay, this is a laid back, this is.Sarah Rhoads 19:28  I'm like a granola girly. (inaudible) to offer something that was like, right? Lesley Logan 19:35  But I don't want to be a granola girly every day. Like, I want to be a girl. Like, that's, I am a girly girl. But people like, I love like, I just did a photo shoot that I haven't put some of the pictures up yet, but like, it's, I'm obsessed. We're rebranding the podcast, and I got this green emerald green, like Wizard of Oz green fur coat.Sarah Rhoads 19:59  That is like your color, girl. Lesley Logan 20:01  It's so good. It's so good. And I'm like, and like, I'm like, this, and then I put it, we did a whole fashion shoot at the Plaza Hotel because they have all the light bulbs on I'm just like, obsessed, oh, it was amazing. I'll have to show you when we're done. It's fucking phenomenal. Anyways, but like, I was like, I want a casual shoe that makes me feel girly. So like, congratulations, you nailed it, and I can't wait to see what comes out. Also, since you live in L.A., do you know Ripley? Because the two of you should be best friends if you're not, Ripley Rader, do you know her? Okay, your shoes, here's my vision. Not and no one asked, I think you, I think you and Ripley should do a collab together. Your shoes with her clothes, insane. And you're both photographers. You guys. Sarah Rhoads 20:41  Ripley is her brand? Lesley Logan 20:42  Ripley Radar. Yeah, the perfect pant also, yes. Sarah Rhoads 20:45  You gotta introduce us. Lesley Logan 20:46  I'm gonna introduce you guys, because in my perfect world, like, you got, like, her lines with your shoes, like, fabulous. And then, because you're both photographers and you're both in L.A. like, this should this is just a magical match. I'm just gonna make it happen. I met her through the podcast. They approached me, and I was like, is this the woman whose pants keep following me around my Instagram? Yeah, I want to interview her, and now I have a bunch of her clothes, and I wear them with your shoes, and I love it. Lesley Logan 21:13  So, okay, I want to go, like, the things, what are the things you do when you're like, feeling it? Because I think, I think that the thing that makes more, that makes an entrepreneur move faster, because we all are going to fill obstacles. We are problem-solving everyday, but like, the quicker you get to, like, overcoming the fear of failure and noticing your ish, like, the quicker you can move through it. Like, how do you move through that fear or the obstacles, like, what are the tools you use? Do you have a mantra? Do you have music like, what do you do? Sarah Rhoads 21:45  Man, I feel like there's a couple things I, it's not like a formal mantra, but something I say every single day is, everything is working out for my better good, like, a greater good, everything is working out for us, like Chris and I this morning, literally, like he made me a coffee, and despite, like, there's a lot going on in the world right now, tariffs impact our business. Like we could sit there and, like, sort of focus on that, but we just said to each other, like, everything's working out for us. Like everything is working out for us. And I really it's not sort of BS, like, I really genuinely believe that when you look at my life, when I look at like the now that I have some wisdom of life, I'm like, oh, like everything is genuinely working out for us. And I also believe that everything leads to everything, as silly as that sounds, I have this, this other female founder that I love, and I'll always like, Sheena of Kosas. She's a badass, and she has been kind enough like I shot her very first campaign when she had one lipstick, like, years and years ago. And she's helped me on my journey as a founder of a product, and she is the one who told me she's like, everything leads to everything. And just trusting that has been a really powerful mantra for me, just in terms of, like, knowing that even if there's a setback, guess what, everything leads to everything, like or this relationship, it might feel like just a dead end call, guess what? Like, those things down the road lead to other things they really do. And so, like, I feel like part of being an entrepreneur is being someone who has an appetite for adventure. Because, like, the way that I sort of akin it to is like you're in the woods with a machete, like a hatchet going through the woods. There's no trail, there's no trail heads, there are no maps. And you're going through the woods with a machete trying to forge a path up this mountain, and you see these, like beautiful people, or rivers along the way that are like, oh, good water. And then there's like, a little light over there, and that little light ends up being a person that's like, you know what? Like a Sheena, or these, like someone that's like, hey, you should meet Ripley. Like, who knows what that leads to, whatever it is. And they're like, you know what, hey, there you should you should go over that way and talk to this person. You start going on that path with your machete, and then before you know it, you have a manufacturing partner that's fantastic. And you are, you have a great like, product that you're like, working on making better. And anyway, I just, I feel like that for me, keeping that mentality of being an adventurer has been, like, really paramount to trusting the process, even when you have setbacks, even when you're in the woods with your machete and you don't see the way forward. Just like, you know what? I have to trust that it's all part of the plan. Lesley Logan 24:46  Yeah, it is so true. It's so true. Like, as you were saying, like I was just like thinking, like, all the different things that happened, so, before we hit record, I live in Las Vegas, right? We were talking about it. The reason we own a home. Is because the world shut down, not because, like, we, like planned and put it out. Oh, we have a life plan together. We're gonna do this. You guys, Brad and I would have lived in that 500 square foot apartment forever. We would have bought a vacation home and still live in that apartment, if we could have kept traveling. Because you don't realize how small it is when you're not there. So like, but we, we're here in this beautiful, like, the house of my dreams, because even when things happen outside your control, like, everything is working out for you if you believe it, if you're not believing that, like you, you don't see the opportunities and you don't see the connections and the introductions as as a light of like, oh, look over here. You're seeing it as, like, another thing that is, like, keeping you, or just another busy thing you don't you, you know. Like, I really do think that, like, when you believe that things will work out you are actually, you'll actually see the opportunities as evidence of that.Sarah Rhoads 25:56  Absolutely, and I feel like that's exactly what you're pointing to. It's like, I feel like in our busy culture of like, everything's about efficiency and like, oh, our task list, I never want to turn people into tasks like, ever. And so for me, it's like, if we can keep the spirit of like, this is all about, like, life is about how we can grow from each other and how we can learn from each other. Like, I just try to keep that spirit about every interaction, knowing I can learn something from everybody and and, yeah, I I love what you're saying. Like, not turning things, all these things into to do lists, turning them into opportunities in your mind. You know, I think it's really powerful, so it's helped me, but, yeah. Lesley Logan 26:42  Thank you for sharing that. I, okay. You're a mom, you're a wife, you're a business owner, you're you. You are so many things. How do you prioritize you in all of this? Because it can be so easy. Like, like, we love our people. We don't want to be to-do lists like, almost like, like, I work with a lot of Pilates instructors, and they, like, love their clients so much that they don't take care of the things that continue to make them light up anymore, and it bends on the burnout road, right? So, like, how do you make sure that you're still you in all of this?Sarah Rhoads 27:13  Yeah, that's a really good question. Like, burnout is a very real, you know, thing, as you know, we're always like, right, flying real close to the sun there on burnout. If I'm being honest, when you're building a business, building a company, it's especially through, like, the holiday season, like Chris and I were like, okay, we gotta, like, we gotta step back a little bit from this. It's all like, just it, you know. And I feel like, for me, how do I stay me my, I protect my autonomy pretty fiercely. Like, I just feel like, it's just who I am. I love to read. So I like, am in this amazing book club that I like, make time for. Like, it's something totally extracurricular. But these women inspire me. They're incredible. I love hearing other people's perspectives. I am all about nature and hiking, like, I go out and I be in nature, like three days a week. Like, those are the things that for me, keep me from burnout. Is like doing a few things every week that I love, you know, that are outside of like, what makes me money? You know? What can I be doing to better my business? It's being in touch with the things that make Sarah, me, feel alive, and then knowing like, that'll make me a better mom, a better founder, a better creative, all those things that I need to be, you know. So, yeah. Lesley Logan 27:13  Thank you for sharing that. I think I love that you're in a book club that you make time for. Like, I think it's so like, I we have a lot of people like, how do you make friends as an adult? I'm like, you have to just go do things and hope and, like, if you don't like it, go do something else. Like, it's okay and, you know, it is hard, like, it's hard to there's always a reason. I mean, you like, I just wanted you to all replay that. Remember, she is a founder of a new company. She works with her husband, and she has three kids under 10, and she has, she has things she does for herself every week. Like, I love that so much. I really, I really, really do. Okay. What are you most excited about right now?Sarah Rhoads 29:08  I am so excited about my new line that is coming out in three weeks. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna give you like, a little sneak peek. Lesley Logan 29:15  Stop right now. I need them already. Stop right now. I need them already.Sarah Rhoads 29:18  So, like, I, again, part of like, listening to customers and like is, it's part of us handling customer service is like, I want to know, like, what do people want to see more?Lesley Logan 29:28  Bright colors. I want hot pink. I want that red. Sarah Rhoads 29:31  Yeah, but I'm listening so people wanted real Nappa leathers. My first was vegan. Now I've got, I'll still offer vegan option for those ladies who want that or men who want that. But I also have some amazing, like, supple, like, it's like, lamb skin leathers that are just so chic and look so good.Lesley Logan 29:55  You guys, if you're not already watching the Be It Pod on YouTube, you need to now and also by the time this is out, they're out. So go get them.Sarah Rhoads 30:01  And then I have some just cool styles that are all adjustable. So I have, like, back straps and like some things that, like people wanted for walking around Europe, things like that, like, there's back straps adjustable sort of plays. I'm just so excited about this line. I also improved the product immensely. I took, got on a plane to Asia when I started to hear a couple things, like, I had enough time with my own product to be like, I want to take the weight out of the shoes a little bit. And so I worked with my engineering team. People told me, you can't do it, you can't do it. Blah, blah, blah, for these reasons. I sat there and I, like, didn't book a return flight until this was solved. And basically, we came up with a unique compound for our shoes that allows the interchangeability to all work. And it just just like super I'm just super excited about this line. I feel really proud of it. It's designed with really nice textiles, and I have a really good supplier I'm really excited about. So anyway, all of it, the designs are pretty fire, and I'm excited, but that's what I'm excited about. Lesley Logan 31:04  I am so I like, she held up a red. I was like, because I just, I love an accent. I love.Sarah Rhoads 31:09  (inaudible) I'm about to pre-release these, because I've had so many people asking.Lesley Logan 31:14  Okay, well, I'm gonna get that link before. Brad is going, Brad is rolling his eyes while he's listening to this. I'm sure. When he listens later, he's asleep right now, but he'll, he'll listen to this on a replay moving for prep. And I know, I know the exact points where he's just going, oh my God, my wife. (inaudible) We will do it yes, and then we'll do the couple photo for you. We'll do whatever you want. Sarah Rhoads 31:42  Oh my God. I love it. We'll make it happen. Lesley Logan 31:42  And then when we come to L.A., we're gonna have to come see you because, like, of course, we'll have to have dinner, because it's, it's not all the time that you meet couples who work together and and are cool and they work together well, there's.Sarah Rhoads 31:55  Lesley, I have so many questions for you about that. So, yes, a dinner is in our future. Lesley Logan 32:00  Yes, oh, I mean, we've been working together. So he, he flirted with me by building me a website. You guys, we were dating, and he was, like, your new website. And I, like, you know, as a Pilates instructor, and I thought I was one of the first Pilates instructors, like, who have their own website. Like I got out of Pilates training, and I had a website ready to go. And, like, no people have been teaching 10 years to have website. So I thought I was a slain and then I met him. I'd been teaching for like, seven years. He's like, so you have to have an like, this is old. You need a new website. And I'm like, why it's working just fine. So he built me a new one. And then, and then, as I was building my companies, which, you know, bad thing, guys don't build the same three things at the same time, because if they work out, you have three, and it's a lot. So anyways, he started, like, working with me, doing things behind the scenes. And finally, I was just like, can you just like, can you just work with me all the time? And so he's been full time since 2019 which has been really, really cool and really fun, and also allowed me to, like, not be the CEO of my company, because I'm not as I don't know about you, I don't I'm not a CEO. Sarah Rhoads 33:01  I'm a co-CEO. But Chris does ops, tech, all of things that like, are the behind the scenes. I'm community building, creative, getting, (inaudible) you're dynamic. We can like, have a whole podcast about working as a team with your significant.Lesley Logan 33:18  I know, we'll have to have you back, and we'll have to, like, do a co well, the four of us can talk. Sarah Rhoads 33:22  With all of us? Lesley Logan 33:23  Yes, because it's like, you have to, well, it's also just recognizing your strengths. Like, this is what I'm really good at. I'm really good at the community. I'm really good at the vision. I'm really good at like, seeing the big picture and like, how, like, it's gonna relate down the thing. And a meeting on how this system is gonna work is like, I wanna know, but I don't want to be in the. Sarah Rhoads 33:42  100% girl, we're the same. This is (inaudible) people. I'm like, thank God for them, because truly, it's not my wheelhouse, you know. Lesley Logan 33:54  Yeah. Oh, we, so we make Pilates flashcards. And on our winter tour, we went, we were like, near the place at the warehouse that prints our flashcards and and fulfills everything it's (inaudible) house. And So Brad, like, we're gonna go see how this is made. And I was like, I don't, I don't really, actually, I'm not lit up by this. Like, you know, like, I, he's. Sarah Rhoads 33:54  Find your strength (inaudible). Lesley Logan 34:15  Yeah. Oh, and he is like, looking at everything. He's like, look at this. And it goes in here first, and they go this first. And I was just like, this is, oh, I don't know how someone envisioned this actually, like the guy who envisioned the systems that print flashcards and boxes the whole thing. I was like, that person's amazing.Sarah Rhoads 34:35  Thank God for that guy. Lesley Logan 34:36  Yeah, yeah. Thank goodness, because I don't have to be the person who does it. Anyways. Okay, I could talk to you forever, but we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and get your amazing shoes. Lesley Logan 34:47  All right, Sarah, where do you hang out? What socials are we sharing? Where can they pre-order these amazing shoes, or just order them because they'll be out by now?Sarah Rhoads 34:55  Oh, I love it. Okay, so Commbi C-O-M-M-B-I dot co and then you can get on our mailing list. That'll be how you find out new, hot pre-releases coming at you. And then our Instagram handle is @Commbi_official. So yeah, that's that's us.Lesley Logan 35:15  Wonderful. You've given so many great tips, but I can't get enough of you. So bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps our listeners can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us? Sarah Rhoads 35:25  I think, knowing deep in your soul that everything's working out for you, and knowing that anyone can do anything, and trusting yourself and believing in yourself, that's that's the biggest thing that I would say.Lesley Logan 35:40  I love those. I think you've said a few things that'll be on Post-Its in my office for a little bit, and I'll just think of you. Oh my gosh, Sarah, thank you for being you. Thank you for creating Commbi shoes, like and also for being I think people listening, we all need like inspirations, like people we can look at and go, okay, she did it and so I can, like, you know, we just need these reminders. So thank you for doing that. And it's really cool that your kids get to see you and your husband create something amazing as well together. So just a hats off to you, and I'll be, I'll be ordering more shoes. So just know I'm stalking you.Sarah Rhoads 36:19  I gotta hook you up and your listeners up with a little discount code so we can talk about that. Lesley Logan 36:24  Yeah, we'll do that, you guys. It'll be, we'll make sure we send it out with this episode. Thank you. Thank you for being you. Lesley Logan 36:24  All right, loves. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag Commbi official. Tag the Be It Pod, share this episode with a friend who needs to hear it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 36:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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Lesley Logan shares 19 thought-provoking quotes by Carl Jung to remind us of our power to change, lead, and grow. She also highlights a major business win from Agency member Stacey Extence and opens up about her own journey in receiving support through hiring a personal trainer. This episode is a celebration of growth, self-awareness, and asking for help when it counts.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:19 insightful quotes from Carl Jung to shift your mindset.How stepping away helped Stacey Extence create her best revenue month.Teaching strategies for supporting clients with visual impairments.The value of outsourcing even when you're capable of doing it yourself.Why repeating an investment in yourself still counts as a win.Episode References/Links:19 Powerful Sentences by Carl Jung - https://www.instagram.com/p/DJneo8RRVPg/Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah.Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:47  Hi Be It babe, welcome to your Fuck Yeah Friday, this short, sweet and hopefully very inspiring episode where I share something that inspired me, that hopefully is useful for you, a win of yours and a win of mine, and it reminds us that we're not perfect bands, thank God, and that we are doing the best we can to make life a better place for ourselves and those around us, right? So the thing that came across my feed that I was like, oh, I gotta share this with the Be It Pod babes says 19 Powerful Sentences by Carl Jung That Will Change How You View the World. Okay, I'm gonna take the time to read all 19, and so we'll put the link in the show notes, so that if there's one that like stands out to you, you can go back and you can screenshot it and save it for yourself. Number one, I am not what happened to me. I am what I choose to become. I mean, if that's not be it till you see it, right, I don't know what is. Number two, everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves. Ooh, love that. Number three, if the path before you is clear, you're probably on someone else's. Number four, you are what you do, not what you say you'll do. Well, that's another be it till you see it one. Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate. Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate. Where your fear is, there your task is. Talk about this and the opening credit, opening music of the pod, right? Like do, got to do things that's scary because that's where clarity comes from. Yeah, it's antidote to fear. Action is. Your visions will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. So, your visions will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell. The world will ask who you are, and if you don't know, the world will tell you. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own souls. The first half of life is devoted to forming a healthy ego, the second half is going inward and letting go of it. Isn't that the truth that's so adulting, it's so hard. Okay, one does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. If a man knows more than others, he becomes lonely. Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling. No matter how isolated you are and how lonely you feel, if you do your work truly and conscientiously, unknown friends will come and seek you. So true. Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge. That's amazing. Know all the theories, master all the techniques, but as you touch a human soul, be just another human soul. Solitude is for me a fount of healing, which makes my life worth living. Talking is often torment for me, and I need many days of silence to recover from the futility of words. The privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are. That's a be it till you see it. Oh, I'm so glad we ended with that one. Brilliant, wonderful, beautiful. I'm gonna save that one just because, like, keep it for myself. Oh my gosh. So, so good. So I would love to know which one of those are your favorite. Which ones you're gonna put on a Post-It. Like our other guests have said about things, to remind yourself, because that's what we need, right? Lesley Logan 4:27  All right, now let's do a win of yours. This is from Stacey Extence. She's an Agency member. We've had her for a long, long time, and I'm really proud she's had a couple wins that she shared with you as before. So I'm grateful that she's letting us share another one. She said okay, this month has been crazy insane in the best possible way. Apparently, all I needed to do was go out of town and stop stressing for things to start rolling. Pause. I gotta tell you this. Listen to that again. I just needed to go out of town and stop stressing. You guys cannot micromanage your stress and the constraint and control you're trying to have around the dreams you have are what's keeping it from happening. So do the work. Do not just like manifest that shit, like, do the actual work, but also kind of let go of the control of how it plays out. Okay. Coming back to Stacy's win. Best month ever in revenue. It was a nice blend of packages and group classes. I could actually pay my bills with the money made this month. This is the first time all year that has happened. Six new clients dropped in my calendar, and most have been repeat clients. I taught my first blind client. I was mindful to use my hands to make noise on the equipment, brushing over the spring so she could hear where they were, shaking the handles and straps, etcetera. I also guided her hand while describing the Reformer. After my initial follow up text, she said that she was absolutely loved it and couldn't stop talking about it all last weekend, she's coming in every weekend in June for more lessons. Two random folks who've never done Pilates saw my fundraising event on Facebook and are coming to the Mat Raiser next weekend. I'm hoping to flip one or both into regular clients. Have an opportunity to team up and do an event with a local female social group who has events in the Milwaukee area, looking at August timeframe, and the apartment conflicts I reached out to would like to partner with me, so I got to make the flyer for their newsletters to homeowners, as well as a digital piece for the TVs and the lobbies. Humongous, like, so many wins in just the time that you like, sat down, got quiet and went on a vacation, Stacey. First of all, we have to acknowledge you did the work, all right? You did the effort in to make the Mat Raiser, that's a fundraiser guys, happen that you told people about it. Also, you didn't get scared and go, oh, I'm not capable of teaching someone who's blind. You're like, no, I can teach a body. I just have to learn how to tell them what we're doing, because it's going to challenge me. Like, I just think that a lot of us often don't raise our hands to say, yeah, I'll do that. And others want to do things, but then we don't do the things around it to make sure people know, like we talked about this in past episodes, some people won't share what they're working on until it's perfectly done. No, tell people you're working on your website. Tell people what you want to be until you see, tell people what you're doing. Why? Because they will help you. Before I was a certified Pilates instructor, I was telling everyone I was becoming a certified Pilates instructor. Guess what? I want to take Pilates with you. And so then I had practice bodies to teach. So at the studio that I was becoming a teacher, right? So I was able to actually teach even more bodies as a brand new teacher than if I had not told anyone all, so I was an even better teacher when I graduated. So you got to share with people what's going on, what you're working on, so that they can cheer you on. At the very least, right? At the very least. Lesley Logan 4:27  Okay, my win. So I hired myself a trainer. We're going in month three with this person, and so when is I hired a trainer? I think I've talked about this in the podcast before. I'm still celebrating it, because I have to pay every single month to keep it going. And I wanted to share with you that, like, a win can be just repeating an investment you made on yourself, right? Two, it has been really, really nice to let someone pour into me. So the second win is that I am receiving, receiving someone's expertise in my life around something that I'm knowledgeable but not an expert in, and it's just so nice. So I just want to say like you might be a great cook or a great housekeeper of your own house, or even a great person with your own dogs. And guess what, you might need help, right? And so investing in people who actually want to make the thing that you can do well, but they can do great as their business, investing in them is a way of practicing receiving and indulging in yourself and prioritizing yourself. And so here we are going into the fourth month of working together. She's able to like, handle like, okay, this month, I'm not in town, I'm not in my gym, so here's what I have access to, and she's able to give me workouts. And so I don't have to be creative, I could just focus on the things that I'm really good at. And so I just love this win so much. Because my hope is it inspires you. If there's something that you need to do, just because you can doesn't mean you should. I have a client that I've been working with, and she is on a weight loss journey, and so she's got a trainer, she's got me, and we were talking about some things, and she's like, yeah, I just need to get better at my meal planning, and I said to her I know you actually have been on this journey for a long time, and you've done tons of research, and I know you know all the things, but have you thought about getting help with this just for a month? So not a full-time investment, not a forever investment, just like a two weeks or a 30-day investment, and to see how it makes you feel. Does even having it for just your lunches help you only have to plan your dinners, because it can be overwhelming to meal plan all of your meals to help give you the nutrition and fuel that you need for the workouts that you're doing and for the life you want to have. That can be overwhelming, but if you have some help in it, it allows you to go I just only have to focus on the dinners, right? Like we have to make things a little easier for ourselves, the things we want to do and outsourcing it for a short period of time is a win. It's not a failure. It's not like, oh, I couldn't do it. It's like, no, I'm seeking out help. You know, I used to get meals delivered when I worked in a studio, because I wouldn't, I just didn't have the time every single day to prep my breakfast and my lunch. It was just so, so hard. So I had someone send it to the studio, breakfast and lunch, Monday through Friday. So I get to the studio and there would be my breakfast and lunch, and I just had to worry about dinner. And it was so nice because I would just, I'd only to go grocery shopping for dinner and not only that, and it was wonderful to help make sure I was fueled for the day. You know, meal plan doesn't have to actually have anything to do with weight loss, and it can actually just have everything to do with like, giving yourself nutrition. So anyways, my win is receiving the expert support and continuing to do it and hopefully inspiring you to just evaluate in your life, where it could just be a little bit helpful to have someone support you somewhere. Maybe OPC is the thing that supports your movement practice, or if you're a Pilates instructor, maybe agency becomes a support in your life, right? Yes, these things are investments. Yes, they cost money. And I'm going to tell you right now, when I had the meal delivery service, it wasn't like I was rolling in it. It was an expense, but it literally meant that I wasn't wasting food and that I wasn't so frustrated. So actually, my business was better because I had more energy to be in it. I'm just saying, sometimes we have to spend money to make money, right? Sometimes we need to invest in ourselves. We can go the next level to be it till I see it. All right you guys, thank you so much. I hope you are loving these episodes. Please share them with a friend, or share our interviews with a friend. That's how we get this podcast to go. Leave a review if you haven't already. That would mean the world to me, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 7:27  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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In this powerful recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on Joy Hoover's inspiring interview about redefining women's safety through community and innovation. They highlight how Joy is working to change harmful narratives around victim shaming and help people recognize red flags before it's too late. From revolutionary tools for drink spiking prevention to bold leadership in gender-based violence advocacy, this episode is a call to rethink how we can band and protect one another.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Joy Hoover is using innovation to revolutionize women's safety.Why collective action is more powerful than doing it alone.The real cost of gender-based violence and what we can do about it.The importance of storytelling and community in social impact work.Why listening to survivors is key to building safer communities.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://www.pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comFree Mat Pilates for Strength Training - https://www.fullbodyin15.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsEpisode 439: Tia Levings - https://beitpod.com/tialevingsEpisode 352: Tess Waresmith - https://beitpod.com/tesswaresmithBad Dates Podcast - https://beitpod.com/baddatesEsōes Cosmetics Website - https://www.esoescosmetics.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Women aren't being believed as much or or the blame is on them for putting themselves in the situations. And I think like if we can all think about it differently, we can actually start to spot things and support people instead of going well, how did that happen to them? Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the groundbreaking convo I had with Joy Hoover in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go listen to that one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. You can do whatever order you want, but it's one you have to listen to. Brad Crowell 0:58  Whatever you want. Lesley Logan 1:00  I mean, I say it on all episodes, you got to go listen to it because, you know, we can only cover so much of what the guest said, but it's also like quite a unique, amazing thing. So Today is August 14th 2025 and it's got two things for you. I'm sure Brad want me to choose. I'm not going to do it. National, it's National Financial Awareness Day. So how much would you like to bet that most people don't know August 14th is National Financial Awareness Day?Brad Crowell 1:43  Well, it's about betting. They were being cute. I think it's cute. Lesley Logan 1:46  They still managed to say the date and the name. Brad Crowell 1:49  100% of the time they answer the question, they re-ask the question when answering the question always.Lesley Logan 1:54  It's more important than you think. And plus, what's more fun than financial independence?Brad Crowell 1:58  What is more fun? Yay. Skippy.Lesley Logan 2:01  Hey, you know what? Financial independence is literally the thing that, if you have you can do anything you want. You can leave any job, shitty relationship, shitty situation. Financial independence is like the thing. It's more, I think it's more important than just like, the ability to walk, you need to have financial independence.Brad Crowell 2:19  It's funny because it sounds silly, but at the same time, it's not something that anyone ever talks about. Like, no one, like, you're not taught this stuff at school. Right?Lesley Logan 2:32  Yeah, no, you're, no. I think I was taught to balance a checkbook, as if that did anything for me. But I like, I think about Tia Leving's episode. Brad Crowell 2:39  I have to say I was thinking about that.Lesley Logan 2:41  And I think about.Brad Crowell 2:42  If y'all don't remember, she was stuck in an abusive relationship where she had no control over the finances, and she couldn't leave, even though it was abusive, because if she did, she. Lesley Logan 2:52  Would lose her kids. Brad Crowell 2:54  She would lose her kids because she didn't have any money to support her kids. Lesley Logan 2:56  Yeah, this is where, like, a lot of people were like, oh, why don't they just leave? It goes back to, like, the Diddy stuff, oh they could have just left. No. When they're controlling your career, when they're controlling how where you live, and they're paying your rent and all these things, even if you think, oh, well, they did this. It was, there's, there's control, there's not financial independence, and if we have to teach that, even if the person's not abusive, because there's plenty of people who are partners, who are parents, who are bosses, who are non-abusive. Brad Crowell 3:03  Sure. Lesley Logan 3:05  But everybody deserves to have financial independence and financial awareness information so that they can make sure they're making the right decisions for themselves. And then they have options. You always have choices. Okay, back to why they want to educate us. So, first off, think about that great feeling you get when you don't have the looming spin specter of debt hanging over you. Also sound financial decisions can really make a difference down the road. Remember, retirement is a time to take all those vacations you couldn't when working the daily grind. I have so many problems with this day already, because you shouldn't wait for a retirement to take those vacations and don't let people tell you, debt is a big (inaudible).Brad Crowell 4:01  I was going to say the same thing, like, sure, debt can be looming, especially if it's like credit card debt that's keeping you bound. Lesley Logan 4:08  Yes, because they control you. Brad Crowell 4:09  Well, it's not just that. It's like, it's it's a it's oppressive to to moving forward because you're just paying the interest. But at the same time, like, I think my relationship with that changed when I became a business owner, because, you, you it's part of businesses also, you know, you can also have debt, and you can manage that debt without it destroying everything, so.Lesley Logan 4:30  And also, a good credit score is because you can show that you can manage debt. That's what it is. It's not being debt-free. It's managing debt. Which is which, yeah, okay, so there was good intentions with this day, anyways. Because money is important to our overall peace of mind, Financial Awareness Day is a great time to review where you are now and where you're going financially. Don't let bad financial decisions ruin the best years of your life.Brad Crowell 4:54  Okay, so we're just gonna stop reading this. But I think the points are still good. You know? I think, I think one thing that most, I'll tell you what I didn't do. I never reviewed my financial position. I didn't even know what that meant, right? I just knew that I needed to make enough money to get to the end of the month so that I could do it again, right? I never, like, stepped back and like was, was trying to look at like, oh, I have a car, the value of the car. Oh, I have a house, the value of the house, or, you know, whatever, like my, I have a savings account, or I have been putting money in my savings account. Do I have a plan? Never had a plan before, you know, the last couple of years and and now you can it's easy to get sidetracked from your plan. It's very easy to get sidetracked from your plan, unless you put things on an automated like your your money comes in, and then automatically, things happen at the end of the month. It's easy to forget to slide, you know, money over into your retirement fund, or whatever it might be, and you know, so what what you can do, which I think is really helpful, is to throw once a month review, you know, our just take a look at all the numbers. Take a look at it. Like, open up the credit card statement online, open up the bank account online, take a look at that. Like, log into your Social Security account. How weird is that to even say, does anybody do that? I do that. Okay. Lesley Logan 6:12  Yeah, I do it. I just don't I don't know, at this moment in time we're recording, I doubt we're gonna see any of it, but you should, I agree with you. Like, it's important to be aware of where all your accounts are, what's in all of them. Don't put your, don't be an ostrich. And also, like, please don't let the money stories of your parents or like, even your college years dictate like, what you think of yourself when it comes to money, because that attitude is not going to help you be it till you see it with financial success. Listen to our episode with wealth with Tess. That is the episode I want you to listen to if this day resonates with you. Okay, Love Your Bookshop Day. Of course, we talk about this becauseBrad Crowell 6:50  Tess's episode was 352. Lesley Logan 6:52  Wow. Brad Crowell 6:53  352Lesley Logan 6:54  So, Love Your Bookshop Day is celebrated every year, also on August 14th. It is a holiday that was founded by the Australian Booksellers Association. The aim is to appreciate bookshops around the country and highlight all the things that make local bookshops beneficial with an appreciation for books and encourages more people to read. Bookshops exist to serve the knowledge to the public, and that is a very important job. The more equipped bookshops are, the better quality of knowledge people can access to in a time when books are being ordered online, the local brick and mortar bookshop needs all the support it can get. You guys, they don't sponsor the show, but bookshop.org think that it's called, if you order your books through them, they send the money to support a local bookshop near you, and that if you want to have that online ease, but also support a local bookshop. I also like it's called a bookshop. So it's a bookstore. Anyways, go read a book. Go read, go read a book that's gonna, like, inspire you. Maybe I'll add a book (inaudible). Brad Crowell 7:47  Go sit in a bookshop, coffee shop. Lesley Logan 7:52  Oh my gosh. Have you been to the Writer's Block, babe? Brad Crowell 7:55  No, in Vegas? Lesley Logan 7:56  Yeah. Brad Crowell 7:56  Have not.Lesley Logan 7:57  Oh, they got a smoothie bar, coffee, a cat walk around. Don't take Bayon. Cats walking around the coffee shop. Maybe they have birds. I think it's a bird sanctuary, not cat sanctuary. Anyways, it is the coolest bookshop. And now listen to me, I'm gonna call it a bookshop my Australian accent, it's the coolest bookstore I've been to in a long time. But there's some other ones, and I actually want to start looking at some really cool bookstores when we start doing tours. Brad Crowell 8:19  It's a bird sanctuary. Lesley Logan 8:19  Yeah, bird sanctuary. You know how we like, we do vintage shops a lot. I think I want to switch that to, like, really cool bookstores, because there's some really cool bookstores out there. Okay, speaking of being on the road, we are on the road for a few more days, and so you can go to OPC.me/tour because I think you can get, if there's anything left, you can get to Idaho, Salt Lake or Las Vegas OPC.me/tour. Our winter tour will be announced in the fall, so stick around for that. Then we're home for a couple of weeks, and then, babe, we're headed to, where are we headed, in September, we're headed to the U.K. Brad Crowell 8:52  Yes, we're gonna, we're really fired up to be back to the U.K. and we actually have two stops we're doing this time. We're gonna be in Leeds and in Essex. So come join us. If you are in London. We actually set it up where you could be on a day pass with us.Lesley Logan 9:03  I think there's even all our workshops. So if you are someone who just wants to do one workshop now.Brad Crowell 9:07  Yeah, it might be. Go, go check it out. Go to opc.me/uk. We're going to be covering, it's mostly Pilates stuff. And then there's a couple of workshops. The workshops are skewed toward business, but they're not really business. It's like managing your calendar, that's managing, you know, how do you, how do you make an ideal schedule for yourself? And that, of course, can be used for business, but it's also you don't have to run a business to, you know, pull some benefits from that, and then, yeah, anyway, we can't wait to be back. It's gonna be awesome. In October, we're heading to Chicago. Lesley Logan 9:36  Yeah, there's Balanced Bodies, P.O.T. Chicago. And at the time of this record as this dropping, you can still get the early bird 10% off if there's any spots left. I do know that.Brad Crowell 9:46  Do you have a link for that? Lesley Logan 9:47  balancedbodypilates.com just like a P.O.T. Chicago and it comes up, like it kind of just comes up. But anyways, yeah, of course, it's a long link. However, when they emailed me last week, it was 75% sold out. So just so you know, don't wait on that. Then we're gonna go from Chicago to Cambodia.Brad Crowell 10:07  Directly, literally. Don't even go home. We just go straight through San Francisco to Cambodia. That's gonna be amazing. And basically, you know, we got, we still got room, and there's still time. It's only August. We're not going till October, right, so.Lesley Logan 10:20  Oh I know, people signed up for last one in December, we went. Brad Crowell 10:24  Six weeks ahead of time. Yeah. We had someone sign up six weeks ahead of time so. Lesley Logan 10:29  We had someone signed up two weeks ahead of time. Brad Crowell 10:29  Oh, it was only two. Lesley Logan 10:29  The last October, my mom's. Brad Crowell 10:31  Yeah, yeah, it was only two. Okay, yeah. So anyway, yeah, so it's possible there's still plenty of room come join us. It's gonna be amazing. And then, like, randomly, on the way home from Cambodia we're gonna be in Singapore.Lesley Logan 10:43  Yeah. So we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens, and we're working on teaching a gig. So you know, Singapore, Hi, we're coming. Brad Crowell 10:49  Yeah, we're coming. Lesley Logan 10:50  And then, of course, December is winter tour. We should be announcing all of that in the fall, so come October. But if you want to host with us, reach out. The team will help you fill out the forms. And if we're on the path this year, yay. And if we're not, we'll save you for another time. But don't, don't wait.Brad Crowell 11:06  Yeah that's going to be awesome. Before we get into this really interesting convo with Joy Hoover, also, like, scary-a-little-bit convo with Joy Hoover. From the statistics were like, mind blowing. I was like, What the hell. But before we get there, we got a question from Corinne_ca11 (aka Cori) from IG. She asks, hey, how many days a week do you recommend weight lifting in addition to your Pilates practice?Lesley Logan 11:34  Yeah, so here's okay. Brad Crowell 11:35  Great question. Lesley Logan 11:36  Great question. Personally, I lift weights three to four days a week and I do Pilates four to five days a week. Now, is that a scientific thing that you should be doing? I don't know. It's really works for my schedule. I particularly like an extra day of Pilates compared to my weight training, because I do feel like it keeps everything ready for the next one. Like weight training always makes my body feel a little bit heavy. I mean, of course, I feel great in it, and there's no knocks. Like, I believe every woman does need to lift some weights, but my body feels heavy. And so Pilates kind of like opens everything back up and readies it for the next time. And that's why I like it. But I will say, depending on what your goals are, you definitely, from what I've heard or what I've read, everyone should be lifting weights, two, three days a week, and then I believe Pilates should be done three to four days a week. And that doesn't mean hour long sessions, doesn't have to be, the amount of minutes is not as important as the consistency and the quality of the movement. So three quality reps over 10 is always better than it comes to Pilates, and that's just my opinion, but I particularly really like it, and I will we're actually we taught in Santa Barbara a workshop on mat Pilates for strength training, people who strength train. And I actually taught everyone there how to do a 20, 15-minute workout with 20 Pilates mat exercises that will benefit anyone who lifts weights. And you can literally do it after you lift all your weights at the gym, or you could do it before, or you could do it on your off days, or you could do it under your zone two as a way to, kind of like, stretch and move everything around. It's 15 minutes full body workout. It will absolutely improve your form and the results you're getting with your strength training. You can actually take a version of that workshop at fullbodyin15.com. Brad Crowell 13:17  Yeah, fullbodyin15.com love that, by the way, that's free. Lesley Logan 13:21  It's free. Brad Crowell 13:22  And it'll help you learn the five major spine shapes in Pilates and create that 15-minute workout. So definitely dig in there. Great question, Cori, thanks for that. If you have a question, text us at 310-905-5534 or because who can remember those phone numbers? Go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this convo with Joy Hoover. Brad Crowell 13:49  Okay, now let's talk about Joy Hoover, who's our neighbor, by the way, temporarily, which is kind of cool. After experiencing a devastating family tragedy in 2013, Joy Hoover dedicated herself for 15 years in Vegas to improving women's safety, anti-trafficking and fighting gender-based violence. She founded the nonprofit Cupcake Girls, which y'all probably know because we support them with Profitable Pilates. And she later launched Esōes Cosmetics, pronounced SOS. It's spelled E-S-O-E-S the world's first patented smart lipstick featuring built-in drink testing strips and a panic button that is linked to a safety app. Her work has supported over 10,000 survivors and earned multiple awards and national media recognition. And it's quite, it's quite, quite clever. Lesley Logan 14:40  You know what's funny is we just recapped David Corbin, and you met Joy at the same exact event. Brad Crowell 14:46  David. Lesley Logan 14:48  Is that the same we just interviewed? Brad Crowell 14:50  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 14:51  You met them both at the same event.Brad Crowell 14:52  So yes, David, I did. I actually had lunch with Joy, or I sat at a table withJoy. Yeah, it was lunch. And then David was the after the event was over. You're right. What a great event that was.Lesley Logan 15:03  Yeah. And it's funny, because I didn't interview them near each other, but they're coming out next to each other, so that's hilarious. So we talked. I mean, first, I just want to say that, like, if you haven't yet listened to this episode and you there is, like, violent talk in there. There are some topics that could be triggering or activating in some people. So do take caution when you listen to it, but I do think it's really important to listen to because, I wanna highlight a couple parts of her story that have nothing to do. Well, they have a lot to do with all the things, but like, you can see yourself in those stories. So when she and her husband had their first kid, his dad killed his mom, and they just had a baby. And so can you imagine being new parents and then, like, dealing with, like, the, not just the loss of parent, but like.Brad Crowell 15:49  I think she said that their daughter was, like, eight days old and they had to fly across the country to handle that. Lesley Logan 15:51  I mean, of course, so tragic, but for them to figure out, for them to not let that define them, but instead allow them to create a, carve a path that could help them, use their story to support other people with different stories in them is really, really cool. And I think a lot of times we have these tragic things happen in our lives, and they become the story we tell ourselves that's held us back. Oh, I've lost seven people in my life. Oh, this happened, and I don't want to discount those things. Those are especially like, when you have abuse like that, ends in that way it is. It's devastating. But, I do think that, like. Brad Crowell 16:27  She said it was happening for like, 40 years. Lesley Logan 16:30  Yeah, and that's like, that's really hard to grow up around, to experience, to like, to have relationships and other things. And so I just want to say, like, I think that their their story and other people's stories that are similar, where they persevered through that. It kind of it, it changed who they are as parents and also how they raise their children, but also how they see other people. Because I think it's so easy to judge, like, why didn't she leave? Or why, like, we talked about this earlier with the financial stuff, like, Why didn't this? And it's like some of this stuff has been going on for so long, you know, you don't think it will ever turn to something that bad, right? So, and then the other thing that I want to highlight that happened to them as they started SOS, really cool company. Invest their life savings to, like, make this product, it's going to help.Brad Crowell 17:15  Raise money, like, had friends and family help support.Lesley Logan 17:17  It's gonna help people who, who need, access to support wherever they are, and obviously women, this is what the product is for. But we all need this. It can be helpful for anybody, but they had a fire like a freak electrical situation in their roof. First of all, the product helped get the fire department there. You have to listen to the story. It's insane. Brad Crowell 17:38  Faster than calling 911. Lesley Logan 17:39  Yes, faster than calling 911, this product, they were able to press the panic button and get the fire department there, which the fire department said, if they had, any, any minute later, they would have lost the whole house. So they got to keep the framework. Anyways, there's a lot going on there, but they lost all the product. Yeah, however, because they had to start from scratch, and they already had customers, and they'd already been going through it. They use it as an opportunity to make it even better. And I share this because, like, so many times, like.Brad Crowell 18:09  I mean, how do how deflating would that be that not only do you lose your house, but all your business at the exact same time. Lesley Logan 18:16  I mean, I don't even know how you just go get a job at Costco. Like, I don't even know how you go let me do this again. Brad Crowell 18:20  Let me start over. Lesley Logan 18:21  I, like, buy.Brad Crowell 18:22  After everything burned down. Lesley Logan 18:23  While I'm not living in my own home. Like, let me just start this over while like, all, that's what, I'm not gonna lie, like, I think I seriously would have got a job at Costco because I could get my steps in. You know, I hear good things. The hot dogs are $1.50 like, you know, like, I would have just, like, packed it in, but instead, they use it as an opportunity to make the product even better. Aand I think, as a business owner or someone who's working on a new project like we think we have to get it right from the first time, the first start, the first the first iteration has to be the best one. And actually, like most people's first ones are not the one that go like, not the one that goes to market. In fact, we have. Brad Crowell 19:01  How many websites have we rebuilt? Lesley Logan 19:03  Don't tell me. Don't tell me. But you know what? Even our mat deck, right? Like we have changed the mat deck, our Mat Flashcard Deck, because we put it out there, we sold 3000 decks, and then we printed a new version of it, because we've all the feedback we got. And then also how we know other people use the other decks? Ken Endelman said that, you know, Joe Pilates, a lot of his sketches and his patents that he sent in, and not really sent in, but he pretended like he did, those are not things he went to market with. He's like, you don't usually go to market with the first one. Like, you use that to get the patent, but that's not what what you go to market with. And so I think, like. Brad Crowell 19:38  I mean, even now, we've just made another change to the flashcard deck boxes, you know, like, like, like it. Because every time we learn something new, we're like, oh, we need to add that on, or we need to do this, or we should adjust this, or whatever. Lesley Logan 19:53  Oh, yeah, we have to made in the USA, on our boxes. Brad Crowell 19:55  How do we how do we miss that? Five years, we never, we were never (inaudible). Lesley Logan 19:58  Clearly, it wasn't like, I remember my dad, like, going, does it say made in the USA? No, you can't have it. So I don't even know how, like, I'd skipped my brain. We were printing it, but apparently it's a thing. Anyways, I just point this out, because even if you don't think the topic applies to you, you think, oh, I'm not going off having first dates, or I'm not, like, I'm not interested in this, every single one of us is going to do a first again? And then get frustrated because it didn't work. And honestly, it's because you're supposed to, you're supposed to go with the second thing or the third iteration. Brad Crowell 20:30  Yeah. I mean, there's also the tech. The tech part of the of it, it is proximity, or like, as well. So if somebody else in a room, if you are on the app and someone else in the room pushes the button, you will get notified as well. So like, you know, might not necessarily be you personally, who might be in that scenario, but it could be that you're in the proximity of someone who needs help. So, just interesting. Lesley Logan 20:53  Yeah, and this is, like, we're, we're like, you know, we can be, we always think we want it. We can be an alert for other people, but it's hard to be an alert when you can't see the signs, like we've talked about, like somebody like choking, you can see actual signs. They are choking. They need help. But when someone feels unsafe on a date or at a meeting or, you know, or walking down the street, you can't tell oftentimes that they feel unsafe. And this is a very discreet way, a very discreet tech that allows them to say, I'm not safe, and other people to be able to be witnesses or support in that, in that, yeah, so I think it's really cool.Brad Crowell 21:26  Yeah, definitely, you know, like a lot, like a lot going on there, you know, I think I have something else I wanted to talk about, but just the fact, first off, how the hell is it possible that they build a relationship with the emergency services, where pressing a button on a lipstick container would get the fire department to her house faster than calling nine fucking one one, like, what? How did they? How did they do that? I didn't even know that I didn't even know how that's possible. Lesley Logan 21:52  (inaudible) want to know. But obviously, like that might be like, you know, confidential information is I want people to know, not because, like, you know, like, maybe they're not allowed to say, maybe it's an NDA. But no, we called 911, and got put on hold.Brad Crowell 22:05  What? But it also makes you realize that there are, like, clearly, there are systems that can be tapped into, and they were able to figure that out. I didn't even know that that was a thing. Like, I would have imagined.Lesley Logan 22:19  It makes me think of what's the Italian Job where Seth Green's character is like, tapping into, like the yeah napster is like tapping into like the red lights up. That's a red light. That's a green light. Like, clearly, there's.Brad Crowell 22:32  Sorry, I won't start until you address me as Napster.Lesley Logan 22:34  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's clearly, like, something. But I also just want to say, like, if you haven't yet listened to the episode, you want to listen to it so you could understand what the product is, and you can also see it on our YouTube channel. It's quite cool, and I think, an excellent gift for every woman in your life, even if they're married, it's you, you, because she talks about using it for like a kid she saw on the street. Brad Crowell 22:55  So yeah, she said, yeah. She and and her husband saw a kid with no shoes in Vegas, which walking down a sidewalk or whatever, and she's like, there's something wrong here clearly, you know, so, but, but, yeah, I mean, it's, anyway, the tech part is fascinating and really, really fancy. And then, of course, they have, it's lipstick, so presumably they will have different colors at some point. Lesley Logan 23:19  Yeah, there's a whole thing. It's, I mean, she's done a great job. Brad Crowell 23:22  And then, but anyway, you know, she was talking about blame culture, oh yeah. And she was talking about how there's a crazy number of people who've experienced drink spiking where, you know, I was looking up a bunch of stats, and, like, like, at very least 10% of women have reported it saying, like, I either have my drink spiked, or I saw someone spike someone else's drink. Lesley Logan 23:44  It's also, I think the number is so high because, like (inaudible). Brad Crowell 23:50  Well, that's, that's only, that's only, like people who have actually reported it, you know. And then there's, there's polling that has happened where you know it's, it's not, that's not necessarily reported to, like, it's a poll. Lesley Logan 24:00  Well, can you imagine if nothing, or you don't know if anything happened to you? Like, I have just in all the podcasts I listen to, like, people have called the cops and the cops are like. Brad Crowell 24:10  Don't do shit. Lesley Logan 24:11  Don't do fucking shit. And don't I'm not, like, I'm not against police, guys. What I am against is this culture of, like, not believing women, and it goes to this blame stuff. Like, what were you wearing? What were you doing? You know, like, if you're.Brad Crowell 24:23  Or it's like, did they, did they threaten you? You know, like, I guess maybe I don't know what the actually, this is interesting. If you, if you know, what do you need to say to get them to pay attention? That would be something that'd be worth finding. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, just, there's a there's a.Brad Crowell 24:43  Well, because here's like, I, my personal experience was I had somebody threaten me when I was living in L.A. right, and I was afraid, and I didn't know what to do, so I called the police, and it wasn't an emergency. He wasn't like, he wasn't at my door. But I called them, and I said, hey, I I don't know what to do here, but, like, this guy's threatened me, and he's he might be on his way over right now. I don't. know what to do. And they were like, did he threaten to kill you? And I was like, he didn't say, I'm going to kill you. And they were like, we're not going to do anything. And I was like, what? Like, he's, he's making me feel like I'm in trouble.Lesley Logan 25:11  Well, I just listened to, it was just, I was listening to, like, a Dateline or something like that. And they brought up the story about this woman, Denise, who was kidnapped from her home, and then, like, taken away for several days, and then, and then told not to tell anyone. And they called her the American Gone Girl, like the real life Gone Girl. They didn't believe her boyfriend. They said he must have done it. He must, must have done it. They didn't believe her. They tried to charge her with a crime. They just said that they, like, wasted the police time. Then come to find out, two other victims called separate police departments to claim the same thing, and those police departments didn't believe them. Why would anyone do that? Like, didn't believe them. So I am with you. Like, we don't we need to know. What do cops need to hear so they actually believe what you're saying. But also, like, I think it just goes.Brad Crowell 25:53  Like, it's a common experience among survivors is that they're like, I wasn't believed, right, and, and, like, the the number of people who, in polling have to have have said, hey, yes, I've experienced drink spiking, is like, could be, like, super high. It could be as high as one in two women. Right? And anyway, like when you put it all together, there's clearly a problem. It's fucked up, that there's a problem, but there is a problem, right? And then when women aren't believed, you know, and it doesn't actually just have to be women having their drink spiked. Anybody can have their drink spiked. Lesley Logan 26:28  I listen to the podcast Bad Dates, many men get their drinks spiked. Brad Crowell 26:31  Yeah, when, when if it's reported and it's not believed, what does that teach the person who reported it? Yeah, that they're they're not going to try to even report it next time. What's the point is what they're going to say. Lesley Logan 26:43  And that's what puts you people in not so great situations, where by the time something does happen, it's a little too late to get help. But I think, like, what, you know, she talked a little bit like changing, changing the shift of of shame from the survivor, from the survivor to the perpetrator, and making that the focus. And I think when you use a product like they have, or you educate women in an or man in this way of like, what? What does it mean to like it's not your fault. It really is is more empowering because now you, especially like, so many people are have fear about like, well, what goes what if something goes wrong on the date? What happens if something goes wrong in the interview? What if something goes wrong at the house showing like, we can take some of the fear away and put some control back in the hands of the person who might be might become a victim of something, and we can hopefully stop that or mitigate that.Brad Crowell 27:32  Yeah, and obviously, you know, Joy and her company are very aware of all of the stigma, so they've been intentional about their names of their products. Like, one of them is called We Believe You, It's Not The Dress, you know, like, like, stuff like that, which speak directly to the problem, the real problem, which is the blame game.Lesley Logan 27:54  Yeah, yeah. I just think it's like, you know, unfortunately, we're recording this, like, right after, like, some of the Diddy trials and Weinstein's retrial, and, like, it starts to make you think that, like, the Me Too movement, kind of, like, didn't, didn't have the effect that we thought it would have, and women aren't being believed as much or, or the blame is on them for putting themselves in the situations. And I think, like, if we can all think about it differently, we can actually start to spot things and support people, instead of going, well, how did that happen to them? Like with a judgment, it can, things can happen to anybody at any time in this world. And since we can't actually stop these perpetrators because we don't know who they are, what we can all do is band together and be part of a support system, of of being there for people, whether we know them or not, and just being a safety for them, and also not assuming it's what they wore or what they did at a certain time, or why would you be on that street, like all that stuff is unhelpful and.Brad Crowell 28:54  Doesn't solve the problem anyway. Lesley Logan 28:55  No, doesn't, doesn't. So, anyways, we can get our high horse on this forever. But I do love what Joy is doing, and I think this product is really cool. Brad Crowell 29:03  Yeah. And also, you know, driven by a clear problem that needs a solution. And, you know, it's just really, really clever. And you know, if you see, if you actually go look at the lipstick, it's pretty innocuous. You wouldn't act there's no like, press here, like Acme button kind of a thing. It's, it's quick, easy and then what, what I thought was also cool is you can set it so that, if I think there's settings, if you click it once, you can alert one person. If you click it twice, you can alert a different person.Lesley Logan 29:34  Yeah, you can set up the different things in the app for what you do. And one of our neighbors, you know, her daughter was going off to EDC. Daughter's 19 years old, going to EDC, and of course, the mom wants her daughter to go to EDC, like you should experience festivals when you're 19. She had this product, and she had a Narcan, a Narcan thing so she could be there in case someone needed it, right, like Narcan for somebody who's overdosing, but she had this product to make sure that her own stuff was safe. And that she could be safe so she could enjoy herself and be at EDC. You know, I love, for a 19 year to live in a place where she could just go to a festival and be fine. We don't live in that world. So I love that she was empowered to have a good time and also take care of herself and her friends. Brad Crowell 30:19  That's really cool. That's cool. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because Joy gave us a couple of really amazing Be It Action Items. We're going to dig into those. Brad Crowell 30:19  All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Joy Hoover? She said, hold space for yourself. This came from her conversation around the collective trauma that she and her husband and, you know, daughter experience when her daughter was only eight, but with her in laws, right? And she said, immediately after it happened, they started to get therapy as a as a couple, and they've maintained, you know, therapy since, and that was 2013, so it's been a while, right? And she said, prioritizing your healing, it puts you in a position to help others without inadvertently hurting them, right? Like she said, she's and the call out here was, you have to heal yourself first. You can't heal the heal the world if you're not healing yourself first, right? And she said something very intention. She said it was it's not about your intention, right? It's about your impact. And you could have the intention of helping people, but actually be hurting them. So you need to heal yourself first before you're going on to support others in that kind of a way. She said, also, it's not selfish. It's she said, it is selfish to not heal yourself first. It's not selfish to take care of yourself. It's selfish if you don't take care of yourself. Lesley Logan 31:53  I mean now I love this. Brad Crowell 31:55  Yeah, and this is, like, obviously, right up our alley, you know? And.Lesley Logan 32:00  Do you know what I read the other day in it, in my own My Morning reads, And I am like, now preaching it, because I always say, like, self-care isn't selfish care, right? So self-care is actually an act of self-love. And if you do not love yourself, you actually cannot love other people. Can't. You can feel like you're loving on them and supporting them and liking them, but like, you actually can't truly love others because you don't love yourself. And the hatred and vitriol we're seeing in this world today, online, and in other places, is just because a bunch of people don't love themselves. And we're like, the world needs love. Gotta love yourself first. Cannot just like, go out you can't just spread yourself thin. And I think that that act of therapy, an act of self-love, it's an act of self-care. It's very important. It's not selfish. You're right. Brad Crowell 32:45  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 32:44  Okay, so she said she encouraged us all to join the Swipe Red movement. The core slogan of the movement is, "No more shame, no more doubt. We see red flags, we call them out." And so you can contribute to the community awareness if you just go to Esōes Cosmetics, and that's at esoescosmetics.com and it provides platforms for community engagement. You can submit experiences you had so others can recognize and respond to similar threats. I think that's really important, because sometimes you have not experienced a red flag, but if you hear about other people's, you go, oh, and then you can see the signs. Brad Crowell 33:10  You know, it's funny, because it, I get a weekly email forwarded from my mom who gets notifications from her company about cybersecurity threats, right? And what people have done to trick other people into giving away information that eventually could hurt them, right? And so it's the same idea here. You know this, the community platform that they've put together is a way to just become more educated and be aware. So I love that. Lesley Logan 33:53  And also, in that community, you can ask for guidance on your own red flags. You can submit a question to inquire the situation the minor ick or a significant red flag. Here's the thing, I love this because, you know, 12 years ago, my therapist was like, Yeah, miss, you ignored the red flags in your relationship. So you need to go back into your memory box about those first dates and what flags did you ignore that were red so that you can spot them as you date. And then you have to practice like, how red is this flag? Is this an orange flag? Is it a yellow flag? What kind of flag is this? And I love this because you don't have to do it by yourself. You could do with other people. You could help you can use other people's red flags to help you. So I think it's really cool. I think it's cool. And what a unique Be It Action Item. So, I'm in. Really cool. I hope everyone goes and checks this out again. Like it can be a great gift for a woman in your life or a person in your life, but also, just like to be aware of what's going on. It's so easy for us to think it won't happen to us, and this stuff, you know, like, some people, I've heard people go, oh, I'm too old for that. Like it won't happen to me. And like, I worry the fuck out of like, my mom and women her age who are dating. I'm like, like, no, there are things that can happen to you. I remember my 80 year old clients, like, I can't get pregnant. I'm like, yeah, but you can get crabs, babe. Like, what? You can't just feel like life's good now I don't have anything to worry about. No, bad things happen to good people. You have to be aware. So, thanks, Joy for what you're doing. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 35:16  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 35:17  How are you going to use these tips in your life? Please let us know. Let Joy Hoover at Esōes Cosmetics know, let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. I think it's a great episode to share with a friend. Yes, there's some information that could be hard to listen to, but I think it's really important. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 35:35  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 35:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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In this powerful interview, Joy Hoover, founder of Esōes Cosmetics shares her journey into advocating for women's safety, a path deeply influenced by both her professional background and a significant personal tragedy. She recounts the harrowing experience that ignited her mission to combat drink spiking and its widespread implications. The discussion also covers the complexities of product development, the crucial role of community engagement, and the power of education in preventing gender-based violence. Listen in to hear Joy's story and learn how to identify red flags.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The importance of proactively using prevention tools like Esōes Cosmetics.Why community support and collective action are essential for creating safer environments.How to trust your gut feelings and actively identify "red flags" without self-doubt.Why the solution to gender-based violence requires a multi-faceted approach.The importance of self-healing before helping others or pursuing significant goals.Episode References/Links:Esōes Cosmetics Website - https://www.esoescosmetics.comEsōes Cosmetics TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@joy.e.hooverEsōes Cosmetics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/esoessafetyEsōes Cosmetics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/esoessafetyGuest Bio:Joy Hoover is an innovator powered by audacity, passion, and an unshakable belief that safety, dignity, and opportunity are human rights. For over 15 years, Joy has fought to make Nevada and beyond safer, more just, and more equitable. She has built three nationally recognized social impact startups, advocated for over 10,000 survivors, and worked tirelessly to protect families everywhere. Her groundbreaking work has been honored with awards like Top Tech of the Year and Entrepreneur of the Year and featured by major outlets including Vegas PBS, NYPost, InStyle, and NYLON. As the founder of Esōes Cosmetics, Joy invented the world's first patented tech-enabled lipstick designed to fight drug-facilitated assault and violence. Her mission is clear: make safety a right, not a privilege, and create a world that truly works for everyone. This fight is deeply personal. After losing her mother-in-law to domestic violence and witnessing the broken systems that continue to fail survivors, Joy refuses to accept a world where women battle for their own safety, where families are shattered by preventable violence, and where survivors are abandoned by the very institutions meant to protect them. Today, alongside her husband Phil, their fierce daughters Vivian and Ruby, and their emotional support pup Charlie, Joy stands ten toes down—proving that when we dream big, innovate with purpose, and move with courage and compassion, change is inevitable. (Bio adapted to third  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We need a an overarching solution to truly see this epidemic change.Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:57  All right, Be It babe. So today's guest is someone who's really cool. She's been on my radar for quite some time, and I've been watching what she's doing, and then I've got to see what she was doing. I was like, this is really freaking cool. And then Brad went to this thing, and he met her, and I was like, yeah, that's the one I showed you on my Instagram, and it's because I'm obsessed with lipstick. And then someone made some lipstick that can actually help save your life. So today's episode is going to talk about, not in detail, I'm not, we don't, there's not anything that's like full details of things. But if you have experienced gender-based violence and that is a touchy subject for you, please guard your heart for this episode. But I really do hope as many of you can listen to it, because we're going to talk about ways to prevent it, and we're going to talk with a woman who has founded the Esōes cosmetics company, which is a product based company with tech that can help save your life. And so I'm really, really excited. Joy Hoover is our guest. And so here is a great interview with some really, really amazing, thoughtful full of love, full of joy, full of excitement, full of how community can come together and how you can be integral in preventing gender-based violence. So here we go with Joy Hoover. Lesley Logan 2:01  All right, Be It babe, this is a first. We have a neighbor on the podcast, and no, she's not in my (inaudible) which would have been, would have been something had I planned ahead. But you know what? We are both entrepreneurs, we're flying by the seat of our pants. So Joy Hoover is our guest today. I'm super excited. I'm so excited to get to know you as a neighbor, but also in like all that you're doing, you're quite a badass. So can you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at?Joy Hoover 2:25  Yeah, absolutely. I'm happy to be here, and I love that I met your husband randomly, like, at a conference, and then we're like, oh, we're moving in for a year. And you're like, okay, we're down the street.Lesley Logan 2:37  It's really funny how the world works. Joy Hoover 2:39  Right? The universe loves to combine, you know, unite the right people. So yeah, I'm Joy Hoover. I've been in Vegas for over 15 years working in women's safety and anti-trafficking and anti-gender-based violence. And really, my passion just comes from, like, I want women to be safe, and so I, you know, built a non-profit cupcake girls for 12 years, and then kind of pivoted into this consumer products goods. Like, people are like, why did you create a product? I'm like, I don't quite know. But no, I know. And so, yes, I'm so happy to be able to bring a product to market that is a lipstick that could save your life with tech and test strips. And you know, there's probably not one woman that's listening to this podcast that hasn't at one point or not feared for their safety, worried about their safety, or actually experienced something traumatic. And so my goal is to shift that with drunk girl bathroom energy and help us work together to be the really we're the ones we've been waiting for. So protect ourselves. Lesley Logan 3:39  Yeah, I mean, like, first of all, it's really cool. So I had you, I have the product here, because I was like, this is the coolest thing. I mean, I knew what you were talking about, I've been watching you, like, before we met, I showed Brad some sort of TV show you were on. I was like, babe, look at this. Because, like, I so I'm just, like, really into it. But also, like, I just have to, I want to, like, go back to, like, you've been in Vegas 15 years. What you've been working in is an industry that is not, you know, bright, shiny roses and flowers and lots of misinformation, lots of misleading information, that kind of stuff doesn't actually mean the right people get helped. And so, I guess, like, and then you wanted to start a product, and as someone who else has a product, it is like the hardest fucking thing you'll ever do. Anytime someone's like, oh, I was thinking of doing flashcards. I'm like, okay, you can have the printer's number. Like, I don't care. Good luck when you find out how many hours behind the scenes, how much it costs to hit print, how, like, all that stuff you like, good luck to you, my dear. So how did you go from, like, something that was so hard, probably daily, to then another hard?Joy Hoover 4:46  I know. I was talking to an entrepreneur yesterday. I was like, I think we're just, like a glutton for punishment of actual, like, just like organized chaos, which hopefully it's somewhat organized. But yeah, I think, you know, in, let's see. We're coming up on April 10th 2025 so 12 years ago, on April 10th 2013 we had a newborn baby. Our daughter was eight days old, and we got a phone call. And that call really changed the trajectory of our life, because on the end of that call was someone who said, hey, someone, two people were shot at your parents' property. This is my husband. Both my husband and I on the call, and they don't know where your dad is, and we're literally at Town Square with our eight-day-old newborn baby picking out clothing for her newborn session. And I feel like, like our life flashed before our eyes, from like, what happened before that to what happened after that. And here we are. We're in the middle of this, you know, very, very intense work. We're the 911 phone call for so many of our clients, and we can't help. And what ended up happening is that his mom, my mother in law's final words were in a 911, phone call. And that phone call was literally help, my husband just shot my son, and he's coming after me. And on the end of that call was a gunshot. And so, you know, overnight, within, you know, seconds, we lose his brother, his mom and then his dad, he took his own life. And so here we are. You know, we fly across the country with our baby, and it's just like, what do we do now? And so what we did was a lot of healing, a lot of therapy. We've had an amazing therapist for the last 13 years, and as we started healing our own stories and continuing to show up for thousands, in fact, over 10,000 survivors that we were able to help with resources from, you know, medical and dental to new housing to, you know, moving them across country, away from, you know, abusers and pimps. And what we started realizing is, this is a systemic problem. We know that, you know, we know it's from systemic issues and from, you know, you can talk about all the things. At the end of the day, one of the biggest issues was there was nothing preventing this. Yeah, nothing. That was an easy product. I mean, we have, you know, there's pepper spray, there's, you know, but what I started learning from so many of our clients was we don't carry that because we're afraid we're gonna, like, spray our own eyes with pepper spray, or, you know, like, whatever, like all different things. And like, there has to be something easy, like, easy to use, that could actually help you in a tough situation. And really, that's when I came up with Esōes.Lesley Logan 7:37  Yeah, I, yeah. It's really, I, I lived in Los Angeles for a long time. And so when people, like, when we moved to Vegas, I said, I want to live where there's, like, not an HOA, and they're like, oh, not very safe over there. And I was like, right, what's not safe to you? I live across from the federal building in Los Angeles. Like, there's a protest every Saturday. I got, I got my same homeless people for the same five years that I, you know, we do Thanksgiving together. So what we'll be talking about safety wise, because it's very different, depending on, like, what you've experienced and so, but one thing that, like, I remember when I was single in L.A. was just the amount of steps you go through. You're like, I'll meet you there. No, don't pick me up. Like, and then my girlfriend had pepper spray. She got scared because someone she thought was following her. She sprayed it, the wind blew it back into her eyes, and the guy just walked right by her. So, like, we can laugh because she wasn't in danger. But like, Thank God she wasn't in danger. But like, it's true. Like, you know, like, that kind of stuff. So, so, but I always am, like, we tell women they can be empowered. We tell them to, like, do all these different things. And then, at the end of the day, they're still putting their keys to their fingers when they're walking to their car. And so, like, so, you know, beauty product lines have been around, so thankfully, there's that. But then you're trying to create a product that is helping women on the date make sure that they're not being drugged. Is that correct? Joy Hoover 9:05  Yeah. I mean, the goal is anywhere. But like, you know, the original component was the test strip, was this idea of, how can we test drinks? We know one in two women have experienced drink spiking. We know this happens from, you know, sexual violence, domestic violence, into trafficking, and I'm like, that seems like a semi-easy solution of like, we got to come up with this test strip and we can, like, put it, hide it in this lipstick. Like, that seems semi-easy. And that part actually was fairly easier. The funny part was, again, I'm not like, I'm not a scientist and I'm not an engineer, and so I had to look for, right, hire a scientist and engineer to join my team. And so what I did was I looked at there was one product that had tried to go to market six years ago. Was supposed to be like a nail polish that you like, dip your finger and it changes color. Lesley Logan 9:52  Cool. Joy Hoover 9:53  And so, well, yeah, interestingly enough, that product never did go to market. But what happened was I, we found their patent when my attorney at first applied for ours. And so I found that guy, that scientist in LinkedIn, pursued him for eight months until he would take a call with me. And he finally took a call in May of 2022, and I was like, hey, I want to know how you did this. And I want to know if you want to work with me to make my lipstick. And he's like, he just, basically was just like, do you want to do like, the lipstick changing color, if you like, put it on and it's drugged. And I'm like, no. And he's like, okay, then I'll take a meeting with you. I was like, okay, sounds good. So anyways, that guy is the one who ended up bringing the head engineer from that company to the meeting, and I hired them to develop my product, and we did from everything. And they it was funny because I, they were over, they were in North Carolina, and so I hadn't met them, but when we launched the actual product, they flew in, and they were, when they talked about, they're like, you know, usually we're like, testing things that are more like, you know, your everyday type things. It's not that often we have a whole bunch of roofies in the, you know, and all this alcohol that we're like, testing all these things, and I'm like, yeah I know.Lesley Logan 11:02  I know. Like, the warnings, like, please don't drink the things in the fridge today, everyone, please don't do it.Joy Hoover 11:07  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So. Lesley Logan 11:11  Okay, so, so many takeaways from this, because, like, one, it's easy for us to get stuck on, like, the component we don't know, you know, like the part of the thing we don't know. Two, your perseverance attract this guy down to get him to answer, like, okay, we gotta make sure you are, like, on every project of things that will change the world. And then three, I just wanna highlight the dates of things, 2022, that is three years ago that were, you know, like, how, like, this has been in your this has been part of, like, your creation. For how many years have you been working on this product? Because I think, like, by the time I see it, I'm like, oh, this is like, you know, last year or whatever, whenever you did the show. But that's not when you started it. That's not when the idea came. That's not when you started putting time, money, investments, you know, time away from your family.Joy Hoover 12:00  Absolutely. Yeah. So I, basically, I hired an attorney in and put on a credit card to put the first $10,000 on to apply for a patent for this idea on like October, like second and then October 27th which would have been my mother in law's 70th birthday. So we've kind of honored her by bringing 100 people into our backyard and basically showing them the world's ugliest PowerPoint to basically show that like, show the concept, the idea.Lesley Logan 12:31  Is this a 2020? Joy Hoover 12:32  This is 2021. Lesley Logan 12:33  Okay, okay, okay, yeah.Joy Hoover 12:35  Yep. And so, I mean, because we knew we would need money and we needed support to do this, like, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm person, I'm, I'm a big component of, like, of everything I do, I feel like, is hustle, yeah, but without the right resources and the, without the right community around you, hustle doesn't matter, right? And so I think that's an important thing is like, you have to know who's on your side. You have to know who's in your you know, who's in your back, you know, literal backyard? Yeah, we literally took all the furniture from our inside of our house, put it on the outside of our house, like, even our TV off the wall, and, like, did this whole thing, and basically said, we're gonna do this. Who can, who wants to support, who wants to invest? And right away, we raised, like, that night, we raised $25,000 and and all these people were like, please do this. Like, this is we need, we need this, right? Lesley Logan 13:27  And I think what, what's really cool about it, because when, you know when, when I got to see it, and everything we're talking about, like, all the different women who, you know, today, in a world where, like, you're not going to the office all the time, you are having meetings, real estate agents are meeting people at home alone, you know, like my, when I was a Pilates instructor, I rented space, and so a lot of people have this, like this misinformation of like, oh, if it's a brick and mortar, like, nothing bad's gonna happen to me. But I was gonna teach a guy at 5:30 in the morning, it's dark outside in L.A., no one is walking by this brick and mortar, you know, like, I'm aware of how the brick and mortar set up. I'm aware that there's staircases, like I'm aware of these things. And so I had this guy who wanted a session. I said, with all due respect, I'm gonna need your full name so that I can look you up, because I am going to meet you alone at 5:30 in the morning in Los Angeles. And to his credit, he was so cool about it. He goes, of course. He's like, I have a daughter. I would expect nothing. I would want her to do the same thing. He's like, here's my LinkedIn, here's all the things. And I could see, like, okay, he legitimately is someone who lives in New York, lives, I had all the things. So while he came in the door. I wasn't opening the door for a random dude. I was like, you know, so, like, I was really grateful, but I was thinking with this, it's like, oh, how nice, like, to just have the opportunity to know that you are taking care of yourself on another level of security so you can take actions you want to take. Like, I don't want any, I'm sure you don't want this for your kids. Like, I don't want any of my girlfriends to ever live in fear. I don't want them to make oh, I'm not going to go take that meeting, because I'm going to be alone, you know, like you. So I feel like this product is also just empowering women to actually be able to do more of the things they want to do. Joy Hoover 15:10  100% and that's really why we added the tech component. Because while testing your drink is great, what we started learning more and more, and I had my own experience with it, but I started kind of getting other women's experience who had experienced drink spiking, or, you know, felt like maybe something was off. And really, my question was, how quick could you have gotten out of there? You know that the statistics say around 13 minutes. These drugs metabolize in your system, and then you're, you're literally blacked out sometimes for 24 hours. And so what we, you know, started identifying was, how could they call for help immediately, sure they might probably have their phone on them, but could they, you know, open it up and, you know, make the call? Whereas with Esōes, we built a fully customized app that connects with the lipstick, so you can basically set it up to push it once, twice or three times, and it can do all different things, from sound a loud alarm to send a text or your location to even, you know, send an actual phone call, everything's all the messages and everything are customizable, but the final thing is to priority dispatch authorities to your location.And we know, because we know that calling 911, sometimes it's between life or death and you're put on hold. We experience it a lot with clients, right? And so we're like, we have to have something that's gonna no matter what, know their location immediately and priority dispatch, like, put their emergency at the top of the list. Which, by the way, saved our house, like, last year, which, like, is a whole other thing. But, that's right, right, literally, like my husband's on hold with 911, and I pushed the lipstick, and they have our location, and within like five minutes, two fire trucks come to the house, run in, find the find the fire, put it out and everything. And the captain comes out, and he's like, it's so good we came when we did. Had we come about 10 to 15 minutes later, we wouldn't even have been able to save the bones of your house (inaudible) so fast. Lesley Logan 17:01  I mean, I have an experience hold. I remember back in that time in L.A., so you guys, we live literally across straight from the Federal building. There was a strip of like, land between, like, the parking lot and the sidewalk. So, like, you know how, like, when you park a car, there's like, little cement things like, don't go any further with this car. So between that and the sidewalk, which means it's Federal property, so the homeless people are very smart guys. They're like, they're not like, so they put their tents there. The Federal people are not going to come kick the tents off, you know, and then the police can't touch them. But what has happened? What happened is someone threw a cigarette, it got on the mulch, and the mulch caught on fire. So Brad and I are driving home from yoga, and there's a fire like, you know, across the street from our house. And so I call 911 the fire department, you guys, is literally a block away. It's just one block north, one block north. I call 911, I, it says, call back later. The phone line is busy. I didn't get a hold called like, so I had a cup of coffee, and I was like, Brad, do you want your coffee? He's like, yeah, I want my coffee. So I threw my coffee on the fire. He finds a metal tray and is pulling the mulch onto the sidewalk so they can't keep catching fire. The fire department drives up and they go, excuse me, what are you doing? And we're like, we're putting the fire out. And they were like, like, kind of looking at us, like, like, we started the fire. And I was like, no, no, just do it. Just here doing your job, because I live across the street, you weren't answering. So, like, I do understand, like, it can be so frustrating, and obviously they're understaffed and they're underfunded, and that's all these different things, but, also, you know, like, I listen to a lot of different things, and if we knew locations, like, I keep my locations on so my husband knows where I am all the time. But, like, I'm married, what if you are single? What if you don't have that access? Or what if it is someone in your family that it's you have to have these options? And I think this is really, really cool, and I love that there's an app for it that allows people I recently was in I was I had have had some interesting Uber experiences where I have to go, excuse me, let me just call my husband let him know I'm coming home, because I don't want them to know I'm going home to an empty house. But I heard that this girl was like, said that on her Uber ride, she her Uber driver pulled a mask up over space and pressed a button, and the gas came in the car, and she had the forethought to just open the door and get out of the car, like, lucky it wasn't locked, right? And so now there's all these things, like, ladies make sure the window is cracked, make sure this all these freaking things we have to do. So we need a tool so that we can sit in an Uber and feel like, okay, like I have something to protect myself. I don't have to rely on, you know, someone seeing me from outside. Joy Hoover 19:47  Yep, absolutely. And interestingly enough, like, what the reason we did the location piece is because we had multiple clients who would literally call us. I still have text messages from like, one of them who was like. It showed me like, I'm tied to a bed. I don't know where I am, like, my trafficker will not let me leave. And I need help. I need someone. And I'm like, where are you? Like, I don't, I can't, like, just find you, you know? And like, there was so many situations where it was like we had the ability to go somewhere, but we didn't know where to go, yeah. And so we say, like, whether you want to just get out of a boring meeting, you can push the button and it can send, like, you know, your assistant or your staff member, like, oh, gotta go. Gotta get out of this meeting. But like, or if it's just one of those traumatic experiences, you know, like, I was talking about our product in a women's event last month, and this woman, this mother, stood up and she's crying, and she's like, your product saved my daughter's life. And I'm like, she's like, you know, she was out in Chicago, she was drinking like she felt off. She tested her drink, her dress was positive, but she was like, almost blacking out, pushed the button. Her best friend got her location and where she was, pulls up and, like, she's safe now. And I'm like, that is it, right? That's the story we want. I mean, we don't want there still to be someone to be drugged or someone to be harmed, but we want the this could have been a very different story.Lesley Logan 21:14  Yeah, well, and I'm, like you said, like, prevention, like the back to, going back to your story of the, I mean, like, so much of your family has gone through. But like, if we can prevent things, then you know it does, not only are lives safe, but then there's the rest of the life that is still saved. Like, there's all these different things. And so there you can't all we, obviously, we'd love to figure out, like, what is going on with people that are making these decisions to harm people. But like, we can't do that. And so, like, if we can sit we can save women from going through these things, or anyone who uses this product, by the way, because, like, you know what, you've got some beautiful lipsticks. I think anyone can use it. So I wonder, you know what, obviously, you're getting this product out. Like, what are you most excited about right now, and and how, like, how are people hearing about you? Because that's the other thing, right? Like, people are listening. I wanted to have you on for a few words. I want people to hear perseverance. I also just freaking I'm obsessed with how much you get community involved. Like, before I knew you, Joy, like you don't know this, like I saw you invest a coffee shop probably in 2021 because we would have been going out, and I saw you, and because I knew you from the nonprofit that I had seen videos on all this different stuff. And like you there, you always bring people in on the thing you're doing. And recently, I got an email or a text and was like, I'm doing this, and I need like, I'm like, this woman always brings a community in. So that's one of the reasons why I have you on the show, because I need people to hear like, that part of it. But like, what are you most excited about now and what's next for the product? Like, how are people hearing about it? Joy Hoover 22:51  Yeah, absolutely. So we, you know, we are relaunching now. Like, post fire. We kind of took all the feedback from our users and rebuilt. Now we're back in stock nine months later. And so April's a really exciting month. I know this is coming out a little bit after that, but we're, we're building this movement of like, you know, Swipe Red. The idea is, like, we see red flags, we call them out. I think one of the issues with women overall is that we don't listen to our guts. We feel like we gaslight ourselves, right? So it's like that we have this slogan. It's like, no more shame, no more doubt. We see red flags. We call them out, Right? And so it's this idea of this whole Swipe Red movement we have on our website where people can submit an experience they had to kind of say this, you know, be looking out for this. And we also have an area where, where people can submit a question, like, is this just the ick or is it a red flag that I need to watch out for in this kind of, you know, experience that I had, or this person is giving me this vibe, right? And so the whole point of Esōes is really like, we want to end the epidemic of gender-based violence. We're doing that in you know, fun ways with lipstick, you know, kind of, I mean, really, it's like a whole new way of redefining personal safety, essentially, right? But it doesn't stop there. We know that this is a community problem, so it needs community solutions. So we are training bars, nightclubs, restaurants, casinos, you know, universities educating on the nuances of violence. We teach all different components of that, and we show them, and they get our product, and we teach them how to use it. And so even if, like, you know, people that are closing a restaurant at night or a bar at night, if it's two in the morning in Vegas, like they have, you know, cash to put at the bank, or if they're just, you know, leaving by themselves, a lot of times, they then have our lipstick just to have on them, or to have, you know, emergency services on the phone just in case. So for us, it really is an overarching movement of women watching out for women. I mean, obviously men, we our test strips. We now have, you know, a key chain that can go on the on your, you know, keys, so you can have, like, test strips in there. And so we know it's not just a women problem, but we know it starts with women, because we know 93% of perpetrators are male, unfortunately. And so for us, it really is like the drunk girl bathroom energy component is if I'm in a space within, basically within 40 feet of where I am, if my lipstick goes off, essentially, if my app goes off, but I didn't push my lipstick, it could be someone else who pushed theirs. So anyone's phone can go off that has it in that space. And again, it's the idea of like, you might not need it, but someone around you might. And the whole thing is, like, it's just about prevention, right? No one wants to think, What if I get raped? What if I get drugged? What if something happens to me, right? I'm sure my mother-in-law wasn't thinking, what if my life ends today? You know, never did he go to jail, never did she say anything about domestic violence. But we know, we knew he was abusive, and so for 40 years, she lived in that and that's how she ended her life, right? And so for us, it's just, you never know. Abusers aren't like, hey, I'm an abuser, right? They are, they are slick, they are career criminals. They oftentimes look like, you know, the best person in society, and they're not. And then behind closed doors, it's hidden violence, and that is what we saw over and over and over. So it's just, what can we put in everyone's hands? And then how can we educate all of us on what to look for? Should we have to do this? Fuck no, we should not have to. Unfortunately, though, no one's coming for us, so we're coming for ourselves.Lesley Logan 26:43  Yeah, I mean, it's so true. Like, my mom was like, there's, like, a certain hand, if you see this hand, that people are doing that, like, that's a girl saying, I'm like, okay, hold on. Now, I gotta know the hand. Okay, I got it. And I will say, like, I've been to several restaurants where, like, in the bathroom, it's like, if you order this drink, we will get you out of the situation. And I am obsessed with that. I was like, I'm gonna drink here more because, like, I'm at least tell my girlfriends to come here because, like, you're keeping people safe, like they're the community is in small pieces coming together to combat something, and I think that's the only way it gets solved. But I really, I really do love the empowerment of what your tools are doing. And I also love how much feedback you are getting, so that you guys can just continue to make it better and make it more accessible, make it a key chain, versus all these different things that are, that are you're being told. And you know, nobody wants to like, here's the reason. Like this topic, the pod is called Be It Till You See It. Nobody wants to think about these things when they're thinking about achieving their goals. And yet, there are going to be situations where you need help, or someone around you does. And so I thought like, wow, okay, so maybe all the, maybe most of the women who listen to this are not at all needing something like this, but maybe they have a daughter who's about to go to college. Maybe they have a friend's kid, they have a niece, they have a new coworker who is going to go show homes like, how can we start gifting things to people that help support them on their journey and in their dreams of all the things they want to do so they're not they don't become a victim. We prevent it before it happens. Joy Hoover 28:17  Yeah, you know, we all carry phones, right? We carry a phone because we might need to call someone or, obviously, we, wherever most people work from it. But I think shifting the narrative, you know, the narrative from like, what if I have to call 911, to like, just to have it, just in case. It's like having a Band-Aid, having, you know, like we were literally driving down the road, like a couple weeks ago, and there was a kid walking barefoot on the side of the road. We tried calling 911, we got put on hold. We just pushed the lipstick, right, like, please, can someone come to this location? We're right here with him. Like, we're not sure if he's okay. We want to make sure. But, like, just, it's just that component of it. And I think, I think because the world we live in it, there is this kind of like, well, we shouldn't have to. And I agree with that. Like, the amount of feedback we get that anytime a post goes viral on TikTok, for us, it's two main things, thank you so much. Like, what are you like, you know, Aquafaba or something like, you know, all these, like, names of, you know, women that have done things. The second thing is, this is so sad. This is so sad that we need this. I'm like, It is so sad that we need it. And at the end of the day, I'm raising two daughters. I myself am my entire life's mission is to make sure that my daughters are not one in three. I've taken that. I don't want them to experience that, right? And so I think for all of us to realize that, like when we put tools in our hands, when we are educated, and also we say this to businesses, if you're going to serve alcohol, you need to have the responsibility to know what it looks like if someone is drugged, you're not going to know these people do it. They put it in Visine bottles for Christ's sake, like they know what they're doing. It's very easy. So we teach, you know, bars and restaurants and about, how does it look to de-escalate a situation? How does it look to believe a survivor? How does it look to actively get help? Because the second thing that happens when something happens to someone who's harmed is that you're not believed, right? That's why our color, we have a color called We Believe You. We have another color code, It's Not The Dress like we need to shift the culture. And that's part of the red flag piece is like, shift the shame from survivor to perpetrator. It is not our fault. Our test strips are called Trust Issues For a Reason, because we shouldn't, because we all have trust issues. It's not our fault for having those.Lesley Logan 30:41  No, we're not born with them like it's created. And I, I think it I agree, like, when I hear like we shouldn't have to do that, I fucking agree like we shouldn't have to go (inaudible). There's a lot of things right now that, like having to call my congressman daily and remind them of, like, what I fucking want them to do for me. You know, that's annoying. I don't want to do that anymore. I do miss a time when we didn't even know you're you didn't know your congressman, because they just did the job that they said they were gonna do. So I missed that, but also at the same time, like, if we don't do things where we can, you know, we can't do everything like I can't solve all of the problems in the world, but if we can all go, okay, I'm gonna, but I can, I, here's what I can do for my friends in my life. Here's what I can do for the family my life. Here's what I can do for my neighborhood. I do watch my neighbor's houses. Yes, the house across the street from us was empty for months. Do you think that we made sure everyone walking that house was supposed to be was supposed to be there? Yes, we did. Excuse me. Hi. Are you here for something? Do you contract her? Joy Hoover 31:50  Yep, I love it. Lesley Logan 31:48  No, I'm not the owner of this house, but I'm watching you. I'm watching got my camera on, watching you. Like that was the neighbors that we were, because that's the only way you keep your community healthy and safe. You know, we all have to look out for the other people around us. Joy Hoover 32:02  Yeah, and if we do that, we can prevent lifelong trauma, like, that's the thing that we you know, this prevention piece of it was missing from the work we were doing, because I'm like, these women will never be the same. They will never heal fully. You cannot. Like my, I don't know where my eight year old found this thing, but she did this thing. She came in my room and she's like, Mom, I want to show you something. Okay, she had a piece of paper, she crumbled it up, and then she's like, she was using it as, like, words. She's, she has this one girl at school that's not treating her well, and she's having a really hard time. She's like, I told this is what I told her. I was like, I scrunched this paper up and said, you know, you can say the mean words, and then I can open it up and try to, like, you know, smooth it out. But is it smooth? And I'm like, you said that to her, and she's like, I did. I did say that to her. I was like, oh, my God I love you so much. But that's the truth. It will never be smooth. Like, you're never not going to fear or feel the trauma that lives in your body once you experience it. Not only that, but the implications on the mental and physical health you know of a person. But it's also the economic impact. In Nevada, we have a one in two domestic violence rate in women not one in four. Like it's normal, it's one in two here. We also have one of the sickest things that we're known for here, is that since 1993 we have the highest rate of male partners killing their female partners in the nation. Now you mentioned, obviously trafficking and other things, and so I'm just like, this is my community. I've lived here for 15 years. I'm not, I don't want to be known for these things. I want to be known for a community that steps up for their community.Lesley Logan 33:48  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and it's, you know, it's one of the reasons that we actually, because I did not know those stats when I moved here, I don't know that it stopped me. But, like, I think it's an interesting thing, right? Like, when you look at that stuff, you can't unsee it. But one of the things that I love about this town is is the community of the locals who come together and they like, truly, like, one of the things I always say is, like, if I'm doing an event, people will freaking show up. And if they don't show up, they share, and if they can't share it, they like, they like, ask if I need any help with anything else. Like, there's just, there is that. And I think that's actually in a lot more cities. And I think if you're feeling lonely, you gotta go find the people who are trying to make change where it feels like that it's an uphill battle. Like, why would you do that? So find the people like Joy and and that because do you get to feel like you're part of something, and you get to be part of something, and then you're there's safety in it, you know, like people see my car and they are looking around for me like, that is one thing I know. Like every time I park my car, people are like, I get text messages, where are you? And I love that. I'm like, I like, I joke because we finally got an actual car. I was like, I do want to wrap it in a bright color. I want people to know. Be like, why would you want people know it's you and I'm like, because I want people looking out for me. I want people like, sure, a stalker could find me, whatever they could always find me and whatever car like, but I want the people in my neighborhood to go, oh, she's around somewhere, and be looking out for me, because I do that for them. Like, that's what I want, you know. So it's really cool. Okay, Joy, you are a woman who does a lot of things you never do one thing. Is there anything else you're excited about right now that we need to know about? Joy Hoover 35:22  Well, I'm, I'm in a class learning to run for politics right now. Lesley Logan 35:27  It's insane. Joy Hoover 35:29  It is absolutely insane. And so I've got, like, we, I graduate from the class in July. This class was built, actually built for Kamala when she was trying to run it for AG, and she needed a community of people to help, and so they built this kind of thing. And so it's me. I'm part of one of 20 women in this class, but my goal is, is to run for office. So I, you know, never wanted to. People always be like, you should run for office. I'm like, hell no. Like, I don't want to do politics, right? But if not us, then who? And like, again, like, my number one issue is women's safety, and I can't believe we've never had a politician who stood on violence against women in our town when we are known for these things I just said, right? So I'm, yeah, I'm, you know, raising money for training, and then finishing training and then just identifying what first, eventually, my goal is Congress, but I'll probably run a local race first to start doing some local Nevada stuff, seeing how we can get the community activated, and then start getting, you know, the nation activated, because Lord knows we need it.Lesley Logan 36:33  Yeah, I love that you're doing this. You're brave. I mean, you already knew that. But, like, I know people always ask me and Brad, like, are you guys gonna do politics? And I'm like, I would rather have enough money to just give to the right person to go into politics, because I, I think I get too angry. I get too angry, and I just not gonna come out, right? I'm not gonna win. I'm not gonna win any flies with honey. So, so, but I, but I do, I do agree. I can see, like, especially with going on. I'm like, okay, fuck there's just fucking no, who am I donating to? Like, what's going on? So like, at some point you know, and you have to. And then also, just, like in not just local, but there doesn't need to be someone who knows information like you, because the misinformation doesn't help anyone, and no one representing it doesn't help anyone. And also people just and also the really fact that matters, there's too many fucking men in politics who don't know a woman's experience, and they think, well, I was a good husband and I didn't hurt anyone. So, like, this doesn't really happen. And my sons don't like, they don't see it, you know. And so I think it's really, really great. So you guys watch this space. We'll see where Joy is. I would love to know, just make sure. Obviously, we'll vote, because we vote for everything so.Joy Hoover 37:37  Well, you know, the the other piece about women running is how much money it takes to run these races. It's like, for Assemblywoman or State Senate, it's like 200 grand to raise. For Congress, it's over 2 million. And so you look at, and also, by the way, those state, local, those pay like 9000 a year, so you're also working, so like, it minim, you know, it minimizes the amount of people who can run for these positions. And that actually.Lesley Logan 38:05  You can't have an actual hourly job. You have to have it, yeah, no, it's really, it's, it's really unfortunate. It's really the whole system's a disaster. But, you know, we need, we actually do need to fight for it, and we need to fight for it with people who actually are looking out for the community, you know, looking out for people. Yeah.Joy Hoover 38:27  We are the ones we've been waiting for. Like, if there's one thing that I feel like, I wake up every day realizing like, one is a discipline of hope, and two, like you are the person you need, right? It's like we, you know, you say that about like, your your inner child, your younger self, like you are the one who would make them proud, right? Make the world proud. Be that person that you're going like, I want this to change, because not everyone can do that, or, you know, even wants to do it, and that's okay too. I didn't for a long time, but I don't know. I guess I feel like the women's safety needs every component. And we can't just have a product, and we can't just have education, and we can't just have politics, and we can't just, right? We need a an overarching solution to truly see this epidemic change, and that what our family is committed to. Lesley Logan 39:13  Yeah. Ah, Joy. You're doing so many great things. We're take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Joy Hoover 39:22  Perfect. Lesley Logan 39:23  Okay, Joy. Where do they hang? Where do you hang out? Where do they get this amazing product I'm showing it if you're watching on the YouTube. Look at this cute thing. Look at this. Look at this. We got the lipstick.Joy Hoover 39:36  That's the local hand-painted too, by a local artist. We have two versions. We have that one and we have this one now.Lesley Logan 39:42  Oh my gosh, it's so fun. Oh my God. I love the art. I love the women on it. I love it. I love it. It's like, it's like, the best. And so we've got this is, this is really cute. It says Thirst Trap. And this is what you could put over your cup. I just think it's, I think the names are so cute. Yeah, it's like a, it's like a condom for your cup guys. And then the Trust Issue. These are the test strips. Joy Hoover 40:08  Yep, yes. Oh, and you haven't seen it yet, but we have, we'll have to bring him out front Lesley, because we have, we're launching Trustee, the bear, the mascot. This, this.Lesley Logan 40:22  Oh, my God, please, please, please, walk it through my driveway. Joy Hoover 40:25  He may just knock on your door at some point. You never know. Lesley Logan 40:28  I love it. I want to film it for a story. So you've got and there's all this information. So where do they go to Swipe Red to get to get all this stuff?Joy Hoover 40:36  Yeah, so it's Esōes, but it's not spelled S-O-S. It's spelled E-S-O-E-S, covert spelling, Esōes Cosmetics, you can find us on Tiktok, Instagram, Facebook, all the things. And then our website is esoescosmetics.com and yeah, we are on TikTok shop. We're online. We have it. We're gonna get back into a couple local stores here. But then our goal is obviously to keep expanding into larger retail because we want as many people as possible to have access to this. Lesley Logan 41:03  Yes, yes, and so and guys like, again, like, college is starting, there's a reason to buy this for any woman in your life. And so I really appreciate not having to get some another face mask. I really just. Joy Hoover 41:17  Right, yeah, for every, every high school graduate, like, imagine if they bring that to college, because also the first like, the Red Zone. It's called the Red Zone, which is basically like when you arrive in college to Christmas, is the highest amount of sexual and domestic violence that happens in the whole year. Lesley Logan 41:34  Whoa. Joy Hoover 41:35  Everyone that is new, especially new people on campus, need to be carrying something. Again, these are solvable issues. That's what we're here for.  Lesley Logan 41:42  Yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're all gonna get that. We're all gonna follow you. We're gonna go on a journey. We're gonna watch her rise in politics. We're gonna say we knew her when. You've given us a lot. And I wanna say, like, I love the like, swiping red on shame. I think that that is, like, something really important. I had a therapist who was like, I want to just caveat, like, my ex was not abusive, but she had said I ignored red flags of the relationship not working out on the first dates. And she said, you have to start practicing noticing red flags. I'm so grateful for that therapist, because I did. I went on a date with a guy. I was like, it feels really controlling. That's a real red flag to me, you know, like, so, like, just real. It was really great. So I love that. But I also want to say, like, if there's anything else, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Joy Hoover 42:32  Yeah, I would just say, one, hold space for yourself. You can't heal the world or do your dreams if you're not healing yourself first. So I would say that first, and then the second thing is, just try it, like, what's the worst that could happen? I think there's so many dreams that people have and these ideas and ambitions. I mean, I'm a hair stylist who invented this, like, tech, you know, tech and scientific component of a lipstick like and I always say, if I can do it, you can. But the only reason people that actually do things are because we just go, oh, I'm real scared, but I guess I'm just going to keep doing it anyways, right? So heal yourself so that that then you can step into what it is that you want to do. But give it a try.Lesley Logan 43:11  Yeah, yeah. Give it a try, you guys. I can't tell you how many times I hear that and I'm like, yeah, it gives like, it's like, it's a reminder we all need. And it is very true, like it is not selfish to take a pause on helping others to heal yourself, because you will be able to do so much more from that.Joy Hoover 43:29  It's not only not selfish, it's it is selfish of you not to heal first. I know that is a rude way to say that, but I just want to be very clear, if you are trying to heal yourself by healing other people, you will harm other people. You have to heal first. And if you don't, you will make you will, you will have best intentions, but impact over I mean, intent versus impact are very different. You may intend to do good, but if you are trying to heal you first, you gotta heal you first period. Lesley Logan 43:59  Yeah, I'm really glad you said that. It's very it's very true. And I tell people all the time that, like, self-care isn't selfish care. It's actually very selfish. And I say it for a different reason, because I have a different line of work, and I'm like, it is selfish of you to not take care of yourself and then become a dependent and liability to your young children. Sorry, it just is. So there's a whole different was, like, and this is a whole other way of thinking about it. But intent and impact are very different things. And so, everyone, you have the most full permission to go take care of you so that you can do things in your community and for others you want to. Joy Hoover, thank you so much. We must hang out again. And everyone, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 44:40  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 45:23  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 45:28  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 45:32  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 45:39  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 45:43  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome Natties to episode 99 “Children of Gravity”! Join us with special guest comedian Alex “Koolaid” Ansel as we dive into what's the first thing we do when checking into a hotel, a unique way of using lotion, Koolaid's hilarious Heart Attack Grill story, Kyle's disappearing neighbor and so much more! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for hit subscribe!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!SocialsAlex “Koolaid” Ansel: @y2koolaidUncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

In this inspiring Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley Logan empowers you with seven assertive phrases you can use to stand up for yourself calmly and confidently. She highlights the difference between reacting emotionally and responding with strength and clarity. Plus, a teaching win from Jennifer Lapina and a personal reminder that joy lives in the hobbies we come back to. Let this episode inspire you to speak up, celebrate your progress, and give yourself permission to prioritize what matters most to you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to speak your truth without raising your voice.The power of using mat Pilates to build deeper client connections.Why revisiting old passions can reignite your joy.How hobbies like hiking can ground and reset your nervous system.Episode References/Links:@thealphawomenclub | Women Empowerment - https://www.instagram.com/p/DJcCzZUPbDt/Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi Be It babe, welcome back to the FYF episode, the Fuck Yeah Friday episode, the episode where we are inspired before we go into the weekend that we've been looking forward to. I hope for you. Also we share your wins. And the cool thing about that is that you get to one, inspire other people what a win is. Two, when I share your win, you might actually need a reminder that you had that win. I know I do. I'm filming these before we leave for tour, so I can't wait that while I'm on tour, and probably a little tired of driving and getting a little tired of living out of the van, because we're going on week three that I'll be reminded of a win. I had to be like, oh yeah, I did that. I'm amazing, right? You're amazing. We're all amazing because we're being it until we see it around here. Lesley Logan 1:27  So first share, something that inspired me on the internet that I think you need to know. So these are seven phrases to put someone in their place without raising your voice. So we'll put the link in the show notes so you can, like, save this for yourself as well. But I thought this is really great, because do you remember in You've Got Mail she's like, I just wish I knew the right thing to say the right time. And he's like, well, you have to, like, you know, remember that whatever you say, when you say what you're gonna say, you have to live with that. And it's like, yeah, but sometimes you have to put someone in their place, and you want to do it without raising your voice, because then you won't feel bad about it, correct? I know I won't. If I don't raise my voice, I could be, you know, like, I'm just giving someone candid information about how they're treating someone. So here's number one, you're not used to people holding you accountable. That's not my problem. Do this with a straight spine and a soft tone. There's like, actual little tips on these. So number one, you're not used to people holding you accountable. That's not my problem. So I love that, because some people don't like when we hold them accountable to things, and they get frustrated, and it's like, well, you get to be frustrated, like, sometimes we'd be the lesson people have to learn. All right, number two, you clearly thought I wouldn't respond. That was your first mistake. So I love this person at one, because they said, I don't argue, I clarify. So we're not in argument. I'm clarifying. You clearly thought I wouldn't respond. That was your first mistake. Number three, let's be honest, you weren't looking for a conversation. You were looking for control. Number four, I'm not here to match disrespect, I'm here to show you where it ends. Oh, so good. It says to read it again, one more time for you. I'm not here to match disrespect, I'm here to show you where it ends. Oh, can you imagine? Like, do you, like, picture the person who's like, being so disrespectful right now in your life, and just like, say, ah, practice it in your head, make sure you find a time to say it. All right, number five, you don't get to play the victim when you started the fire. Oh, that one's for the manipulated person in your life. You're you don't get to play the victim when you started the fire. Number six, keep the same energy when I stop responding completely. So, you know, someone who's probably acting confused or raising their voice or like doing this stuff, it's like, if you were really clear, then you can, you don't have to go back and forth with people. This is definitely for the narcissist in your life. Number seven, I don't raise my voice. I raise the standard, and now you know. So this is basically saying I meant what I said, and you just say it calmly. All right, so they also finish this up with saying power isn't about shouting, it's about making someone rethink everything they just said without you even flinching. So I think this is really important, because I wasn't really taught to, like, I wasn't really taught to talk back to people. And I think that was, it's fine. My parents were well intentioned. It's not like, a huge deal. But sometimes I like, I'm the person who, like, leaves the conversation like, oh, I should have said that. Oh, I should have said that. And so, like, I just wanted to give some phrases to you, in case you find yourself in a narcissistic, manipulated or working with a contractor or someone that you've hired to do a project in your home, and they try to make you feel like you're stupid. You are not stupid. They were not clear, or they, they misrepresented a timeline that they couldn't do. And so you know having phrases like this and others in your back pocket will help you continue to be in control of what you can control, right? And you can you can't control what people say or do or think about you, but you can stand up for yourself and demand the respect that you deserve. So anyways, hopefully those help let me know if you use any of them. Lesley Logan 4:55  Okay, this is a win from Jennifer Lapina. She's an eLevate grad. She said, just wanted to say how much I appreciate the Pilates system since eLevate, that's my mentorship program, guys, I have embraced incorporating mat exercises into my private lessons. Previously, I felt pressured to teach physical equipment per client expectation. Now, I always start newbies with mat and only pepper and springs and the fun stuff when I feel they're ready for the connection, always referring them to the shape and or feeling of doing X, Y, Z, as I've seen clients experience my new way of teaching, I can definitely see them progress and embody it quicker. And much to my surprise, if given the choice, most of my clients will choose to take it to the mat. Pilates so much more than mere exercise. I love seeing the satisfaction in their faces when they can finally do the thing that frustrated them for weeks or even months prior. I recently had a long term client master something, and I asked her, what made it click. She looked surprised and simply said that was the way I taught her. Grateful for the compliment. But honestly, it's not me. It's the system. It just works. Jennifer Lapina, I couldn't agree more. It's really something that I'm so grateful for, that I get to use the system that I that I I'm not having to make things up or take on something like Joe gave us this wonderful system, and I guess, I get to use it, and I get to use it for the client that's in front of me and what they need. And it means that there's not right and wrong or black and white, there's just like, what is right for you today, and that kind of practice, that's why I love Pilates so much, that kind of practice is something we get it in our minds, we get it in our bodies. We get in our clients bodies, you guys, and it helps you with other things you're doing in your life. What is right for me today? What does my body need? What a great practice you can have there. What a great way to honor yourself and listen to what your body is. So way to go. Jennifer, thank you for sharing, and congratulations on all you've done. Lesley Logan 6:50  Okay, so Brad and I started a hiking tradition, and I just want to share it with you, because we obviously don't are not in town every single day or every single weekend. In fact, we haven't been in town for a couple of weeks, but when we lived in L.A. we used to hike at least one time a month, maybe two. And depending on travel and we running shoes, was never like this, like the thing we had, like, we're professionals. And then we, you know, moved to Vegas, and we kind of got out of hiking because of the just the summer weather here, so we thought, and so we never really invested in the shoes. We also had dogs that couldn't really hike, but Bayon could, and we'd be on the road. We're like, oh, let's find, like, a hike or a trail, but like, we're kind of out of hiking shape, to be completely honest. And now that we have one dog, and we live in an area that we drive 30 minutes, it's like 20 degrees cooler or even more. And so we started going hiking. And we went to the store, got shoes for the dog, got shoes for ourselves, truly invested in this, like hobby. And I have to say, if you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you know I've been hobby hunting. I am loving that we're hiking again. Oh my God, I didn't need a new hobby. I need to return to another hobby I used to have, and I absolutely love it. And we can't hike at all the trails that are near us because of the heat, but when the fall comes, we're ready to hike those ones. And so it's quite cool being able to do that. And so you're like, how is this a win? The win is one we like said, let's do it. And then on, it was like, Memorial Day, it was like, oh, should we go hiking today? And like, of course, we could have been like, oh, we gotta clean the closets out. We gotta do these things, or 17 other things on our schedule to do. But instead, we're like, no, we said we wanna go hiking this weekend. It's the last day of the weekend. Let's go hiking. And we went, and it was absolutely so much fun. Until the next weekend, we went and got shoes and went straight to a hike. And on this tour, we've done several hikes, and I'm just really, I'm really excited to see where this goes. And so if you need a moral of the story, if you said you wanted to do something, give yourself permission to go do it. Right? Yes, you're busy. Yes, there's a million things you could be doing. But you know what? I haven't regarded a single hike we've done, and it's really fun to see the dog really enjoy it. He gets exercise. We get exercise. So a little bit of investment financially, and now it's just the time. And it's great. It's really fun. We also, if you listen to the last FYF, we are not really on our phones, you know, like, I have the trail map out so that I, like, know that we're going somewhere, but like, we're not checking email, we're not checking text, we're not we're like, we don't even listen to a podcast. We're just listening to the sounds of the of the nature, and it's really quite grounding. And in like a chaotic life, it's something that we need. So my win is pick back up hiking. And it took us five years taking this down, and I regret that we waited this long, but I'm super, super happy that we're doing it now. Lesley Logan 9:46  So, send your questions or your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. You can send in mini questions and mini wins. We can't wait to share them with people. Send this episode, or any of your favorite episodes to a friend who needs this help. The podcast grows because of you. And so the more listeners, the better guests we can get. So please share this with a friend who needs it, and you know what to do, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:46  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 10:50  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 10:54  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 10:59  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 11:05  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 11:09  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

#1 New York Times bestselling author, Jennifer Lynn Barnes, spoke to me about how to write seven novels in 18 months, the psychology of fiction and fandom, and her latest YA mystery, THE BROTHERS HAWTHORNE. Jennifer Lynn Barnes is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of more than 20 acclaimed young adult novels, including The Inheritance Games trilogy, Little White Lies, Deadly Little Scandals, The Lovely and the Lost, and The Naturals series. Her latest is The Brothers Hawthorne, described as “Knives Out-esque” by Publishers Weekly, it is a story of [two brothers] “Drawn into twisted games on opposite sides of the globe, [who] —with the help of their brothers and the girl who inherited their grandfather's fortune—must dig deep to decide who they want to be and what each of them will sacrifice to win.” Jen is a Fulbright Scholar with advanced degrees in psychology, psychiatry, and cognitive science including a Ph.D. from Yale University, and “...is one of the world's leading experts on the psychology of fandom and the cognitive science of fiction and the imagination.” [Discover ⁠The Writer Files Extra⁠: Get 'The Writer Files' Podcast Delivered Straight to Your Inbox at ⁠writerfiles.fm⁠] [If you're a fan of The Writer Files, please ⁠click FOLLOW to automatically see new interviews⁠. And drop us a rating or a review wherever you listen] In this file Jennifer Lynn Barnes and I discussed:  Her study of autism and why neurodivergents rely so heavily on story How her bestselling trilogy went viral on TikTok Why she writes for reluctant readers How to write mysteries with intricate puzzles, twists, turns, and reveals Her theories on why readers love fiction And a lot more! Show Notes: ⁠Jenniferlynnbarnes.com⁠ ⁠The psychology of fiction with Jennifer Lynn Barnes | Re:Thinking with Adam Grant⁠ - TED Audio Collective ⁠The Brothers Hawthorne⁠ By Jennifer Lynn Barnes (Amazon) ⁠Jennifer Lynn Barnes Amazon Author Page⁠ ⁠Jennifer Lynn Barnes on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelton Reid on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell recap the eye-opening interview with David Corbin, a bestselling author and TEDx speaker known for his concept of brand slaughter. Together, they explore how misaligned actions can quietly destroy trust, impact, and identity in both business and life. Tune in for practical strategies to stay aligned with your brand and lead with clarity and confidence.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The benefits of having a spine corrector and a ladder barrel.Why brand misalignment happens and how to spot it.The “face it, follow it, fix it” model for solving challenges.How to listen to what your business needs from you.The link between competence and confidence.Why self-awareness is crucial for growth and leadership.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourOPC Summer Tour Calgary - Opc.me/CalgaryUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://www.pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comTypes of Pilates Equipment for Home - https://youtu.be/5LNpMqqDwCgLesley's Equipment Discount Links - https://opc.me/perksSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsDavid Corbin's Website - https://www.davidcorbin.comDavid's TEDx Talk: Woodstock Wisdom - https://youtu.be/i8vK1yYct2U If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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They're like, I don't know what I want. You know that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on the person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right, so that, that creates brand slaughter. Lesley Logan 0:23  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:02  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intuitive convo I have with David Corbin in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that one, you should go listen to that one. It's really fun. It's hilarious.Brad Crowell 1:18  Fascinating conversation. Lesley Logan 1:19  The way it started is quite hilarious. Brad Crowell 1:21  The way it started he's talking about, when you, when you said, you know, who are you and what do you rock at? He said, well, you know, my, my late mother could never describe, you know, what I do for a living, and she thought I just laundered money as my job.Lesley Logan 1:37  But also, like, I forget, because in the episode, do we discover how he got on the show in the episode?Brad Crowell 1:44  No. Lesley Logan 1:45  No, okay.Brad Crowell 1:46  I came into the room afterwards. So for those of you who are wondering. Lesley Logan 1:48  Because I think we talked about it in the episode. Brad Crowell 1:48  Well, okay, okay, I'm actually going to share a little bit about that as we get further into this episode. So hang on. Stick around. We'll talk about how did we connect with David Corbin in the first place? Today. Lesley Logan 2:04  Is August 7th 2025 and today's days were not really aligned with the Be It pod message. So we're looking at tomorrow, August 8th, where it will be International Allyship Day. So International Allyship Day is celebrated annually on August 8th. This holiday dedicates the day to celebrating promoting the power of allyship across the globe. On this unique day, we come together to recognize the importance of standing up for one another, fostering inclusivity and building bridges of support and understanding. Dictionary.com defines allyship as a status or role of a person who advocates and actively works for the inclusion of a marginalized or politicized group in all areas of society, not as a member of that group, but in solidarity with its struggles and point of view and under its leadership. Genuine allyship does not come with special recognition. Do not get awards for confronting issues people have to live with every day. Everyday we should be thinking about this, because it's getting harder and harder for people to see other people as human and deserving, and being worthy of living and having a life that they can have access to health care and housing. And, you know, I just it's.Brad Crowell 3:17  I think, I think, I think we need to go one step higher than that. Lesley Logan 3:21  Okay, let's do it. Brad Crowell 3:22  When you have, when you have leaders in a position of power that are using derogatory language to anybody, towards anybody, it gives other people permission to hold that view. And what's happened in our society, in America right now, with the people who are in power is that they have no regard for anybody else, other than themselves, and so they're using language that is inflammatory and dangerous to be quite honest. Lesley Logan 3:50  Well, themselves and their donors. They do care about who (inaudible). Brad Crowell 3:54  I don't think they care about their donors. They only care about their donors' money. They don't care about anyone except for themselves. The that when they when you use inflammatory language, it creates division in our society, across the board, it creates fear. It also gives permission for people to hold judgmental views or give excuses for other people who are doing terrible things, right? And, you know, I don't, I don't think that everything was like, figured out 10 years ago either, you know, before we had a president who didn't give a shit. But I, but I, you know, in the sense that, like, maybe before, we were nice on the surface and racist underneath, you know, but, but, but now it's like, all out in the open, and people are openly, you know, the vitriol is killing me. It's just so frustrating because there's no, it's not that niceties are the right thing. There's no, there's no respect for human dignity, right? And so even though we disagree with other people, it doesn't change the fact that they are people. Right? Except now we are changing our perspectives on that, and we're alienating others. So, you know, whether that is, you know, a whether that's politically or, what did we say here, marginalized, politicized group or a member of society, right? So it could be political, you know, rhetoric, or it could be a marginalized part of society, you know, or it could be racism, or it could be another whole culture or another whole country, you know, it doesn't matter.Lesley Logan 5:32  Yeah, it's really, it's really, can be really frustrating. I had headaches. My, I was saying, we're sitting at a gym and I said, oh, I'm not getting stuff at Target. My dad goes, why? And I said, well, you know, they are not supportive of DEI and my dad goes, what's DEI? And I said, okay, well, explaining what DEI was and I said, you bought under DEI, you would be an older worker, which, it's harder to get a job. You are also a veteran. Like, like, that's DEI, making sure that you are treated with what you're like what we're supposed to be treated with like, that's part of it. Like, I'm DEI, I'm a female business owner. Now, do we have other privileges? Of course we do. But that doesn't mean that they're like what people, I think, don't understand is how, is how there are the people that they're thinking that they dislike, or that they're creating words around so they don't have to think that they're worthy so much of if they had the access and the rights, you would have better access and rights. You know that we're recording this right now, when the government is trying to get rid of Medicaid, and they have been lying to people, up and down all around that they're not getting rid of Medicaid, they're getting rid of it. And here's what happens, what that means is, if Medicaid doesn't exist, you think that just because you're on Medicaid, it won't affect you, it absolutely will, because your hospital usually runs off the funds of Medicaid, and so if the hospital doesn't have those funds, you might not have a hospital near you. So just because you're not on Medicaid doesn't mean you're not affected. And I think, like, why I like this day so much is like, we have to stop thinking that, because we're different than people, like, not only do they not matter, but like, like, it's not gonna affect us if nothing, if bad things happen to them. Everything is connected.Brad Crowell 7:07  Everything is connected. Lesley Logan 7:08  Everything is connected. Brad Crowell 7:13  Like, people are like, like, to put a very specific example on it, you know, with with the the abduction of farm workers that are happening in the fields. You know how you think that's not going to affect your food supply? It might not affect it today, but give it a couple of months, you know, like when, when ICE camps out and puts up a raid in, you know, in a community, guess who doesn't go to work? Anybody who is afraid. Anybody is afraid. Like they they arrested half the people at a meat packing plant, and the next day, it's not like the other half just decided to show up. No. Only 20% of the original workforce showed up for work the following day, because the rest of the people were like, What if they come and arrest me? Lesley Logan 7:58  Yeah. And so that means your meat is gonna be more expensive. It affects you. Brad Crowell 8:02  Affects us all. Lesley Logan 8:03  Everyone. And so, like, I, I really think that we need to take, I don't care what your religion is, or if you believe in religion at all, if we actually just follow, like, there that's a human fucking being, and they are worthy of living, and they should have dignity and respect, you know, and we would never want for them that to happen to them if it happened to us. Like, if you just look at that going, if you ever think, I'm glad that's not me, that is a sign that you are sitting in a bit more privilege, and you probably should just look at like, what can I do? We can't solve the world's problems. I'm not elected. You're not elected. If this fucking bill passes, we might not have elections. But like, we have to ask, What can I do? How can I change this? Can I be supportive of the people in my what's my bubble of influence? Right? And so not, I guess we'll get off our pedestal here in a second. But like, truly, part of being it till you see it, it will come to you if you love others, and you care about others, not people-pleasing, it's not overworking. It's none of that. It's just like, if you love others, if you love yourself, you can love others, and if you love others, like the world does change. And I think maybe what I'm really saying is like, what the fuck why don't people love themselves? Because if they love themselves, they'd see other people as human beings too. Brad Crowell 9:18  Yeah. Lesley Logan 9:20  We're still on tour, guys, I promise you, we're having a good time. In between the podcast on the news, I promise you, I promise you, we're hugging people. We're having a good time. Brad Crowell 9:33  Yeah, August 7th, that means that we are in Canada. We're actually probably in Kamloops today. Tomorrow, we got a day off. We're going to Banff. We're gonna be up by Lake Louise and seeing the beautiful lake up there. And then we're gonna go the next day to Calgary and teach, before coming back in to the US in Montana, where we're gonna go see the beauty of Glacier National Park. I've always wanted to see it. I'm so excited that we're gonna go up there. And then, yeah. We're gonna hit McCall Idaho on the way back home and teach.Lesley Logan 10:03  I tell you that my family, really, my family went to the tour, and they said, my aunt, my aunt, my auntie and uncle Mike, and they saw the tour, they saw we're in McCall, Idaho. And my uncle goes, you're gonna, you're gonna want to move there. And I was like, oh, like, a vacation home? He's like, no, like, you're gonna want to move there. And I'm like, I don't love the snow, so a vacation home. Got it. Noted. I'll save up.Brad Crowell 10:24  Well, I can't wait to see how beautiful it is.Lesley Logan 10:26  All this to say, like, come to McCall.Brad Crowell 10:28  Come to McCall, yeah, and then meet us in Salt Lake, and then we'll be back in Vegas. Lesley Logan 10:32  Oh, my God. What if people caravaned with us? You could do that.Brad Crowell 10:37  Yes, they could. I mean, we can have like like a roadie tour bus situation with, like, a band, going from show to show, it's possible. Lesley Logan 10:46  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What's that movie?Brad Crowell 10:48  Oh, I know which one you mean. Lesley Logan 10:50  It was glasses. Almost Famous. Brad Crowell 10:53  Yes, that's the one. That's the one. Lesley Logan 10:55  I want, I want someone in great coat to compete with me in my great coat. Anyways, so we'll be, we're still on tour. We hope to see you. We're gonna come back from tour, unpack. Brad Crowell 11:04  Oh, actually, there's still time if you want to participate in the tour, but you're not there, the Calgary stops. So in two days, there's gonna be a virtual, two virtual workshops that we're offering in Calgary. One of them is creating flows on the Tower and Cadillac, and the other one is your Thass® workshop. So come join us virtually, if you can't be there in person. Lesley Logan 11:24  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do that. Brad Crowell 11:25  Just go to opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan 11:27  Yes. And then after we get home, we unpack, we, you know, enjoy the last bits of summer in Las Vegas and we quickly, quickly cool off in the U.K. for our two city tour, the Mullet Tour, which is business workshops in the beginning, and Pilates workshops in the back of the the rest of the day, and some Pilates workouts. And you can go to opc.me/uk to see if there's any spots left. At the time we're recording this, there's a couple spots left in Leeds, and there's a couple spots left in Essex. We did open up some so like, you could just buy one workshop. So maybe if you can't do an entire day off, you want to come for just workshop, we did open that up in the Essex location. So go to opc.me/uk and then we come home and we get cozy for a couple weeks, yep, yep. And then. Brad Crowell 12:12  We're gonna, we're gonna be in P.O.T. in Chicago, by the way. Lesley Logan 12:15  Yes, we're doing P.O.T. Chicago. Brad Crowell 12:16  Yeah, P.O.T. Chicago beginning October. Lesley Logan 12:19  Actually, if you're hearing it right now, you can still get the early bird discount on P.O.T. Chicago. So if there are spots left, you can go, that's gonna be at Balanced Body site. I don't know the link, so just go to Balanced Body. Just Google P.O.T. Chicago 2025 it will come up. And I'm leaving the Joe's gyms, so their work, you get to come and work out, and I walk around and make sure that you're like, kicking ass. And from Chicago, we fly to San Francisco, from San Francisco to Singapore, Singapore to Cambodia. Cambodia, we lead our retreat. Brad Crowell 12:48  Oh, yeah. And in fact, at the end of the Cambodia trip, we may actually be teaching in Singapore. We're working that out right now.Lesley Logan 12:55  We're trying to, we're trying to do a thing in Singapore, and we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens, and then we're gonna come home and be home for like, a little over a month, and then we're back on tour again, but we'll tell you more about that later. So you want to go to crowsnestretreats.com if you want to be on a retreat with us, we're taking a very small group this year, and you really get to spend a whole week with us. Brad Crowell 13:16  Yeah, it's gonna be so fun. Lesley Logan 13:17  It's a lot of fun.Brad Crowell 13:18  It's amazing. It's a really good time. So go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Before we get into this convo you have with David Corbin, however, let's dig into this audience question that we had. I couldn't actually get the entire name of the person from the screenshot, so I'm pretty sure it was Rosie B something, something, numbers, numbers from YouTube asked, hi Lesley, I've heard you say that a spine corrector can be a good addition to your mat to your mat practice if you don't have space or the budget for the big equipment at your home. Can you, or have you talked about the different options for barrels or arcs? I did not realize that there were so many different choices, especially regarding the different options with angles and depths of the well. Great question. Lesley Logan 14:02  Yeah, I love this. We do have a video on, like, all the equipment, like, literally every piece of equipment. And I don't know if we did a video just on the barrels, but I know that we have, I know that our mastery and the basics on the barrels, you could hear a lot about barrels in that workshop that's on OPC, but let me just chat a little bit. So the spine corrector, if you could only buy one barrel, is the best one of the bunch, because you have two options for the extension on that one, and it allows you to do all the things you could do on a spine corrector. If you had a small barrel, that's nice if you have extra room. That and also it's really only for those who are have a tighter back or are a bit more fun sized, the smaller barrels for that. Brad Crowell 14:50  Yeah, we don't have a YouTube video. Lesley Logan 14:52  On just barrels. Brad Crowell 14:52  On just just. Lesley Logan 14:53  But there's that one video that has, like every single piece of equipment, it took us forever. We filmed every single piece. Brad Crowell 15:00  Yeah, so we've got a couple. One is called Pilates for Beginners: How to Choose the Right Equipment. We have.Lesley Logan 15:08  It's, it's another one. Anyways, I'll keep talking. It's another one. So it's, it's, why.Brad Crowell 15:14  Types of Pilates Equipment. Lesley Logan 15:16  Yes, that's the one. Brad Crowell 15:16  Pilates reformers, ladder, Pilates ladder, Tower and Guillotine. Lesley Logan 15:17  That's the one. Brad Crowell 15:17  I think a best Pilates equipment to improve your practice. That's reformer versus chair. Lesley Logan 15:27  No, this is really boring now. Brad Crowell 15:29  Yeah, good times. Anyway, just go onto our YouTube channel.Lesley Logan 15:31  Well, you didn't make it sound like it's easy to find. It exists and it literally is every single, we do a Reformer, a mat, we do the High Chair, we do the Cadillac, we do all the barrels. I explained each one, so, but my point is, if you can only buy one, get the Spine Corrector. If you're on the fun-sized, you can skip the Spine Corrector if you can only buy one thing and get the small barrel, but you will be limited a little bit. If you can get two things, and you're not so fun-sized or tight, then a Spine Correct and a Ladder Barrel, but a Ladder Barrel does take up space, and you specifically liked that I was saying that a Spine Corrector could help enhance your practice, your mat practice, if you don't have a lot of space. And the reason I say that is because you can do the arm series on there, the leg series on there, and then do your mat practice. Or you could do your mat practice and do your arm series and leg series. You could do swimming. You could do teaser. You could do a sported teaser. You're having a hard time getting your hips overhead. The Spine Corrector is really, really helpful for that. So I really do love that. And so I know I go into great detail about these things in our Mastering the Basics on the Barrels workshop on OPC, unfortunately, it's not free, but if you buy our Barrels Flashcards, just a little hint, there's a way to get that workshop on a discount (inaudible) barrels. And then I particularly like the Contrology brand because it is based off of the original pieces. And it's like they went through a lot of effort to get. Brad Crowell 16:44  To dig those up. Lesley Logan 16:45  To dig them up. And it's really amazing.Brad Crowell 16:46  Well, what you can actually do is go to opc.me/perks, opc.me/perks when you're on there, scroll down halfway, and you'll see a list of all the equipment that we recommend. And we actually have links to multiple arcs and barrels on that list that you know so you can go see the ones that Lesley did.Lesley Logan 16:47  The Contrology Spine Corrector is my ultimate favorite. Brad Crowell 17:10  Yeah, the Contrology is the one that we have at our house. But not everybody, you know, wants the bigger, heavier one. So we do have a couple of the arcs on there. Lesley Logan 17:19  Oh, well, we do have those and I will just say the reason I like a Contrology is actually do like the weight. The foam ones are great. If you are a studio teaching a class and you have to have a bunch of they're lightweight, they're easy to stack. But when you are doing your exercise, you have to put like little pads down. Oftentimes they slide around, or they could be too light, and they might move. And so I prefer the Contrology, and I know it's more than the East Coast arc and East Coast foam, and that's what everyone wants, but I'm just saying it's a little more comfortable to have a little little cushion. Anyways, you can send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions you can text us at 309055534, still haven't secured the number that we can say, Be It Pod, but we'll get we're working on it. We just discovered it 20 minutes ago when we recorded the last episode. So it's coming. It's coming. Send your wins in, send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions.Brad Crowell 18:10  Okay, welcome back now. Let's talk about Mr. David Corbin. David Corbin is a Wall Street Journal bestselling author of 14 books, a TEDx speaker and an award winning inventor in healthcare and wellness. And he's an ex, he describes himself as an ex-Woodstock attendee. Lesley Logan 18:29  I know, the original. Brad Crowell 18:30  He's also a father, grandfather and husband. He is known as the illuminator. David specializes in helping individuals and companies face it, follow it and fix it, transform challenges into opportunities, which is pretty amazing, actually. His work centers on taking ownership, accessing your inner wisdom and learning to tune into the you to achieve prosperity and fulfillment. Not included in our mini little bio that we wrote here is that David also, his inventor stuff. He created this thing called the Rejuvenation Station, and it's a box, okay? It's like a phone booth, but it's a little bit bigger, because you sit down inside of it, okay, but it's portable, and you can move it around. And you go in and you throw on some headphones, and you immerse yourself in another world for just a few minutes, right? Five to 10 minutes. There's like. Lesley Logan 19:19  I want one of these at the airport. Brad Crowell 19:22  Oh, it would be, I mean, where he, where he's been selling them into is hospitals for the staff. Lesley Logan 19:29  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 19:30  Because the staff never gets a moment to take a breather. And they could take five minutes and they come out and like he, he's, he said he's been able to measure their their stats before they go in and out of this thing. And he said, you know, where, where they're, you know, always in a high stress environment, this can help them with longevity of their job, of their enjoyment, of their life, of their of themselves. And actually, that's how I met him, when I was at an event, he had a booth, and he had the Rejuvenation Station there. And I just started, it was like, the end of the day, everyone was milling around or leaving, and I just started talking to him. And it was so, like, it was an easy conversation. Obviously, he's like, he's very, very intelligent. He's like, tells a lot of stories, a lot of fun to be around. And we started talking about his tool that he made, built and yeah, that's how we connected in the first place.Lesley Logan 20:21  It was, okay, and I think I said this on the pod, I usually pre-interview anyone who comes on. If I don't, it's because, like, we already know each other, we're friends, or I was on their pod and I liked them. You know what I mean? Like, it's very, it's, it's not often that, like, there's just someone on my calendar I've never, I know nothing about. And so I'm looking at like, the updates on his like file for the pod, and I see a business card, and I'm like, this looks like Brad's thumb. I think it's Brad's thumb. Who is this guy? And he didn't know you. He didn't remember.Brad Crowell 20:56  No, he didn't remember, he shouldn't have even known my name, but like, he might remember us talking, maybe if he saw my face but like, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:01  It was, it was hilarious, and it was so I think it was after all of it was said and done, the whole thing was done I hit, ended the record of the interview, and he and I are chatting, and Brad comes in, because I think it was laughing or whatever, and that's we discovered that you met him and like, you should be on our show. And he's like, okay.Brad Crowell 21:19  Yes. Lesley Logan 21:20  Anyways, I'm glad it worked out. I really liked a lot of things he had to say, I think this is an episode that there's a lot of nuggets. Brad Crowell 21:29  A lot of nuggets. Lesley Logan 21:31  A lot of nuggets. And he said, you can't solve everything you face, but you can't solve anything unless you face it. And of course, like, isn't that so good?Brad Crowell 21:40  It's so obvious. But like, when you say it, you're like, oh, I, am I avoiding things? It's great.Lesley Logan 21:46  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, he said, believes his secret sauce is being awake, aware, alert, and that kind of, like, I think that that, like, probably what led to his mindset around it helped others avoid when that's where he uses his model, face, it, follow it, fix it. You know. And so, and when you think about that in your in anything that you're doing, face it, follow it, fix it. And then it allows you to take more action. It allows you to stop avoiding things. It can be used in personal life and professional life. It can be used in a project that doesn't go well, or a conversation that didn't go well. I think it's just brilliant.Brad Crowell 22:19  Yeah, it's, it's clear and concise. It's something that you can remember. When he was talking about how he works with these companies, he said that you can apply this personally to yourself, or you can apply it to a team or organization or company, face it, follow it, fix it, you know, and, and he had a bunch of examples that I, you know, I thought were really helpful. And he talked about one that, one company that he consulted for, that rhymes with schmamanos, I think, is what he said. And, you know, he said, you know, as they started to dig in, they started to realize that they're not a pizza company, they're a crisis management company. And he said, it all came down to how they answer the phone and what they recommend, and when they, when they, when they faced the problem they had, and they followed it, they started figuring out, then they fixed it, and that was a fix. And it's funny, because, you know, we tell that all the time, like, you are, you know, you're not, quote- unquote, just a Pilates teacher, you know, end quote, you're that's not enough. You know, that's like, people, first off, don't know what Pilates is. Second off, they.Lesley Logan 23:23  Not anymore. They used to, I used to think there would be a day when they know what it is, and now, no.Brad Crowell 23:27  I mean that, that aside, that's not the point. They have their preconceived notion of what Pilates is, okay? And so if you just say, oh, I'm a Pilates teacher, then you're trusting that they know what that actually means, right? As opposed to having a clear response of like, oh, I help such and such type of people do these things you know in their life through Pilates, now they're like, wow, I didn't know Pilates could help people like that, you know, and that and you described me. I want that for me, right? And so when you start to face it, follow it, fix it, you might actually have a whole new view on what it is that you do. You know, I thought that was pretty cool. Lesley Logan 23:27  I agree. I loved it. Brad Crowell 24:01  Yeah, one of the things that I really like, first off, he's very quippy, because he writes books, right? So he's got 14 books. So every book, you know, he tries to make a short, concise, punchy, right, memorable. And so, like, that's the kind of guy that, when you get him on a topic, and especially if he knows a lot about the topic, because he did a whole lot of research to write that book, you know, you're going to get these kinds of things. So one of his books he talks about, his Brand Slaughter. And I just started laughing, because, like, what a visual, right? You're slaughtering your brand, you know, but, but he talks about just simply actions that you're doing that are create, that are contradicting what you intended, or like they're they're not bringing around about the desired results and and you know, same thing, like you can apply the concept of brand slaughter to the what I was just talking about where they're answering the phone, and instead of the response being, oh, well, what kind of pizza do you want? They're like, I don't I don't know what I want. Instead of that, you know, that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on this person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right? So that that creates brand slaughter, as opposed to being suggestive and saying, oh, well, for people in your situation where it's chaos and you just need a decision right now, you should go with option number two. And then they get to say, that sounds great, because they just need help. What's option number two? And you can sell and, by the way, if you need this extra stuff, you can upsell them all that kind of a thing, right? So it's, he said, you're either living your brand or you're committing brand slaughter. You know. He said, when individuals or companies allow their brand or reputation be undermined or, quote-unquote, killed by actions or behaviors that do not align with their desired image. And, you know, he said he actually has all these acronyms and all this stuff. And he and he, like, he like, flipped through them, and I didn't even follow them at all. And you laughingly said, I've A.D.D. so I don't know what you just said, because I was stuck on the first one, but he said he created a following, the following flow, to teach companies and people how to maintain their own identity. IDB with the ABI to the SBI divided by the MBV. I don't remember, but basically he said, you take your intended brand descriptors, which is how you want to be described, and then you audit the brand integrity you're assessing if you are living up to your intended brand descriptor. So if this is what you say you're doing, are you actually doing it, right? So, and then the second, the third step is review your strategic brand initiative or SBI. So these are the actions taken to close the gap between your intentions and your actions, right? And then finally, you have, when you do those three steps, you're creating massive brand value, right? The result of consistently applying those three steps. So he said, everything you do is either living into how you want to be described, or it's not.Lesley Logan 27:14  Just like that. Brad Crowell 27:15  Just like that, we just solved it. Lesley Logan 27:17  Yep, and now sometimes we just need to hear like, not sugar coated in that way, you know.Brad Crowell 27:22  Yeah, fascinating. I mean. And he knows his stuff so well that he just like, bam, bam, bam, bam. Lesley Logan 27:27  I know he really did. And I was just like, come on. I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, hold on. I'm still over here. What is that? And then acronyms are really hard for me to like, remember all of them? It's just like, not. Brad Crowell 27:38  I know, even the ones I just read, if I didn't have them in front of me, I'd be like, what?Lesley Logan 27:41  Yeah, no, I, and to be honest, also running in the back of my mind with my ADHD, was like, who is this man? I mean that, like, I loved the whole interview but the whole time I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? Why is he?Brad Crowell 28:00  I love that. I think that's so fun. Also, too, like, from when I met him to when the interview finally happened was months, like, six months more, I don't know, like, so, like, I read his name, and I was like, I know him but I can't remember.Lesley Logan 28:12  You met him, you went to, you went to that event, like, a year ago, it was summer of last year, and then I interviewed him like beginning of this year. So, it's definitely six months.Brad Crowell 28:16  So it was more than six months later. Yeah and fascinating. Well, anyway, stick around. We got a little bit more to dig into from David Corbin, so we'll be right back with those Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 28:36  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items from David Corbin, we've got bold executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with him. David shared a metaphor, a metaphorical exercise he introduced during his TEDx talk using imaginary LSD, which I think is hilarious, because the whole time he's talking groovy and talking about being a hippie and going to Woodstock, and he's like, yeah, I didn't save he told everyone in the TEDx, 500 people, he's like, I saved y'all some LSD from when I went to Woodstock, which, who knows when that even was.Lesley Logan 29:07  It's like the 60s babe. Brad Crowell 29:09  Right, well, because they also had a new one in the 90s. So I'm assuming he was talking about the 60s. Lesley Logan 29:17  The 60s. The 90s was burnt down to the ground. Brad Crowell 29:20  It doesn't change the fact he could have been there. But he said, he said, he said, you're going to take this imaginary LSD, and I don't know what he passed out, but he actually passed something out. So people, literally, I'm pretty sure they took something. Lesley Logan 29:22  It's like a little piece. I thought it's like a little piece of paper, isn't LSD, like a little paper? Brad Crowell 29:23  Like a tab, could be, I'm sure it comes in different forms. But anyway, he said you're going to, here's what's going to happen when you take this imaginary LSD, you're going to imagine that your business can talk back to you.Lesley Logan 29:44  Oh, because when you're on LSD.Brad Crowell 29:47  Yeah, things can happen. He said, so here's what you're going to ask your businessLesley Logan 29:50  We clearly have not done LSD, we have no idea what we're talking about. Brad Crowell 29:51  He said, ask your business. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? So he said, make two lists, job functions and character traits. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, then get naked of ego. He actually said, just says, get naked, but not with your clothes off. That's, he said, that's the easy part. He said the hard part is get naked of your ego and rate yourself on a scale of one to 10 across those what do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, identify the gaps and take actions to close them. So.Lesley Logan 29:54  Okay, LSD, definitely can like, be a little piece of paper or like a stamp. Brad Crowell 30:23  Oh, can be like a stamp. Lesley Logan 30:28  Yes, I do remember, like, during the day or years of like, be careful. Like someone gives you, like, a little sticker, it can stick on your tongue and dissolve. It can be in a pill form. I am seeing this, but it, like, a lot of it is like sheets of, like, wild colors and like, like, oh, do you remember the elephants in Winnie, the Pooh, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, yeah, the Heffalumps. I think they're called. They were kind of like spooky and weird. I think Winnie the Pooh is on LSD. Brad Crowell 31:03  Oh, yeah, you're right, Heffalump. Lesley Logan 31:05  Heffalumps. Brad Crowell 31:05  Heffalump. Lesley Logan 31:06  Heffalumps. Yeah. Looking at this, maybe he was on, maybe he took LSD in my cartoon. You know, they always sort of like supplementally, anyways, we are off topic. Brad Crowell 31:15  Well, okay, David Corbin did his TEDx Talk called Woodstock Wisdom in January of 2023, so you're welcome to go watch it. I'm sure it's a trip. Maybe pun intended, but he but he said when you can do this, when you can compare, when you can let go of your ego, and you can actually take rate yourself and then be able to take action on that you you can no longer complain about market conditions and competition. You take control of the differences, the distances, and you close those gaps that your business told you you need to close. He said, as you do, you increase your competence, which brings up your confidence, which brings up your competence, which brings up your confidence. And it's a cycle, you know. What about you? What about you? Lesley Logan 31:55  Okay, this is really fun, because he says he doesn't journal. And I was like, yeah, because I always tell people, like, don't journal, but we have the people who've said to journal since episode like 50 have done a really good job, because I tell them, you better tell us fucking journal. But he said he meditates. And I was like, okay, like, because I have a hard time meditating. And he said, so he shared his process. He said, you sit down with a piece of paper and you write an issue or question at the top. So piece of paper, issue or question at the top, you set your timer for 22 minutes, and then, while we're in a meditative state with a question at the top, you write with your eyes closed. And this allows the download of insights to come through from your unconscious mind and universal consciousness on to the paper. And so the goal is you dwell upon the question and you let your intuition provide answers. So because you can't see it, you can't self-edit. He must have great handwriting. Brad Crowell 32:52  No, I'm sure he's writing over top of his own stuff. It really doesn't matter. You can literally write in the same spot, right, because the point of it is not for you to go back and read it later. The point of it is to get it out of your head. Lesley Logan 33:04  Yeah. So he, well, it's kind of like Morning Pages, but with your eyes closed. So he said, the answer to everything you got is already within you. Don't tune into YouTube. Tune in to you. It's another quip. I just I was like, this is so much fun. This is a great interview. Who is he? Tune into you. You know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. And I just if you, if you really haven't listened to it, you've got to listen to it. I'm telling you I joke that I'm like, who is this guy? But, like, he's a bit like a 14 books, a great TEDx Talk.Brad Crowell 33:36  Fascinating. It's a really great conversation. It's fun to meet him in person.Lesley Logan 33:40  Even if you buy nothing out of his stuff. Like, if you just, like, listen over and over again to like the things he's saying you're you're going to, like, change your life. Because if you just think about, like, am I in alignment with my brand or am I curating brand slaughter or am I like, what if you could solve your problems with just writing it down and then writing it over the top with your eyes closed? I think this is really cool. Lesley Logan 34:01  So, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 34:02  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 34:03  Thank you so much for listening to our pod. It really means the world to us. I know I say it all the time, but it's really, really true. 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From low self-esteem to global impact, David Corbin shares the mindset shifts and bold strategies that shaped his success. In this empowering episode, he breaks down his signature frameworks like “Face it, Follow it, Fix it” and “Intended Brand Descriptors,” offering game-changing insights on branding with integrity, personal growth, and radical responsibility.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The surprising ways curiosity and intuition sparked David's award-winning inventions.The mindset shift that helped David drop 50 pounds and stay energized.Why illuminating the negative is a superpower—not a weakness.How to avoid “brand slaughter” and fully live your brand integrity.The power of "meditration" to quiet your ego and unlock next-level insights.Episode References/Links:David Corbin's Website - https://www.davidcorbin.comDavid Corbin's Facebook - https://beitpod.com/davidfacebookDavid Corbin's Email - david@davidcorbin.comIlluminate: Harnessing the Positive Power of Negative Thinking by David Corbin - https://a.co/d/gXB8bsoPreventing Brandslaughter: How to Preserve, Support and Grow Your Brand Asset Value by David Corbin - https://a.co/d/h2yIWgeThe Illuminated Brand by David Corbin - https://a.co/d/8SuzrOUEat That Frog by Brian Tracy - https://a.co/d/jaui08nFrom WTF to OMG, with a Little LOL: Unpacking Life's Hidden Lessons by David Corbin and Kerry Jacobson - https://a.co/d/iD3ZNpBGuest Bio:Born and raised in New York, David Corbin brought his hustle and heart to California over 30 years ago. Along the way, he caught the entrepreneurial bug, launched successful ventures, and pioneered innovative solutions — like his award-winning touchscreen patient interview system, recognized by luminaries including Tom Peters and Maya Angelou. A “Mentor to Mentors”, Dave has been the behind-the-scenes secret weapon for leaders aiming to illuminate their organizations' true potential.But Dave's not just about business; he's about authenticity and practical transformation. Whether it's a Woodstock-inspired motto (“You're either green and growing or ripe and rotting”) or his signature approach (“Face it, Follow it, Fix it”), Dave infuses real-world solutions with unbridled energy, humor, and integrity. (https://davidcorbin.com/about) If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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In my career, in my relationship, in my relationship with myself, in my health, in my health habits, what am I not facing? And then, you know, the ego goes, well, I don't know if I knew I'd face it. No, you wouldn't. So face it and then follow it and then fix it.Lesley Logan 0:22  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:01  All right, Be It babe, get ready. Get your notepads out. Get a pen out. If you listen to us on 1.5 1.75 speed, I'm gonna be really honest. You might wanna slow this one down. There's a lot of acronyms, and this guest and I had the best fucking time. I'll be really honest. I, I really was like, who is this person on my podcast? After we stopped hitting record, he and I were like, I don't know how you got on this pod. He's like, I don't know how I'm on this pod. And then my husband comes in, and I'm just gonna spoil for you. My husband is the one who met him, and my husband is the one who brought him on the podcast, and that is why he, like, got to skip all the things where I would find out who this person is and what they're going to talk about, and why we're talking and, like, what's going to go on. But I'm going to tell you right now I didn't need any of that information for this to be the most amazing interview ever. Like, this is going to be one that you save. This is going to be when you re-listen to you. I promise you're going to re-listen to it as soon as it's over because I want to re-listen to it right now. And I was just there and I just did it. I want to, like, take notes. I am obsessed with this person, and I really do hope that they stay in my life in some way. And he gave us some excellent Be It Action Items, but the whole thing is a bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted action item you could take. And so David Corbin is our guest today, and you guys, he's pretty bad ass. So here you go. Lesley Logan 2:31  All right, Be It babe, I've had a great guest. The guy seems very chill, but also has done some amazing things in this world, and we're gonna hear all about it. So David Corbin, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?David Corbin 2:44  Ah, who am I? It's really funny. My mother passed away not knowing who her youngest son really was. What I did for a living. She told all of her friends I laundered money. She didn't have a clue what I did, but I could tell you what I do and kind of who I am. I I've written 14 books, and a third of them made it to the Wall Street Journal bestseller list, so some of the ideas are really catching on USA Today list, and I've done a couple TED talks, and I'm an inventor, and I won two international awards for these inventions that I've done in healthcare and in wellness and stuff. But I'm really none of that. I'm really an ex Woodstock-attending hippie who's a father and a grandfather and a husband to a beloved goddess, and I'm a pickleball player and a tennis player. That's who I am. Boom. Mic drop.Lesley Logan 3:43  Okay, I have never, I think a lot of people can relate to like their parents not understanding what they do. But I do think that most of them probably think that they don't launder money. So I feel like, but, you know, it took my parents a long time to understand that what I do is not yoga. So, you know.David Corbin 4:00  Yeah, right, you do that Pilates thing (inaudible) with the Pilates, you with the FAA, with that Pilates show (inaudible).Lesley Logan 4:08  No, it's okay. We don't need to talk about it today. But I guess, like, where I want to start is, like, how do you like, how do you become someone who writes 14 books and does two TEDx talks and like, has a goddess of a wife? Like, where? Like, how did we get here?David Corbin 4:21  Yes, pure god shot, really, because I'm really Forrest Gump, I ain't the smartest guy in the world, but I am the damn luckiest. But no, I've been, you know, I grew up in New York. I was a low self esteem kid. Had to figure stuff out, you know, shoveled snow in the winter and mowed lawns in the summer. And I wasn't the brightest kid. I started to shovel snow in the summer and mow lawns in the winter, but, you know, so I did all that sort of stuff. And then, you know, sort of grew up, and at a time when, you know, the world was a little messed up, not like it is now. And you know, we were in a Vietnam War, and I was protesting. The war, and I got pretty active and engaged in that. And, you know, did all that groovy stuff. And, you know, was it Woodstock? It was a backstage at Woodstock. Lesley Logan 5:07  Oh, my god. Oh, my god. David Corbin 5:10  Yeah it was sick. And then, you know, started businesses. And, my gosh, had I did a TED Talk about one where I was, I did something called Woodstock wisdom. That was a TED Talk. It's kind of cool. I gave away make believe LSD, it was definitely an interesting TED Talk. And, you know, on and on. And then, you know, I would create businesses. I then product, build companies around the business, sell the business. And I learned stuff, you know, like, I learned stuff. I mean, I went to college and and all, but I really learned stuff through life, through bouncing and pinging it off of people, and, you know, with black and blue marks in life, you know what I mean. So I I learned some stuff, and I put them to use, and then people would ask me about it. I teach them about it, and then ended up doing, speaking and writing books about those things. And I just kept learning and practicing putting it in place and getting results. People notice it. They say, hey, man, can you help me? And I would help them. Then I'd write a book about it. And so it's just, it's really organic, you know? I mean, I was the president of one of the most prestigious massage colleges in the country, right? And how did that happen? Just pure by accident. My friends started it years later. They were functional in the classroom, but they were dysfunctional in the boardroom and so, so all these things just I don't know, man, I'm telling you. Forrest Gump, Lesley Logan 6:42  I, thank you for sharing the journey because I think, like, people would see, oh my gosh, two TED talks, 14 books, like, you know the confidence that comes from from you, but to hear like was a kid, you had low self-esteem. And I also love hearing like I went to college, and I really thought, like, why am I doing this? But most of it was to get out of a small town. And, like, you can't really get out of a small town. Just like, I'm gonna move. Like, no one was gonna let me to move to L.A. without going to college. So I had to, like, go to college so I could move to L.A. but, like, but I, you know, I, I was someone who's like, why? I don't even know what I'm gonna do with this degree. Like, what do I'm an elder millennial, so like, what do you do with a degree after college? Like, and it's then, it's a recession. So it doesn't, you know what? I just really didn't know it. But I realized over time, and the things I fell into, is that everything kind of layers, if you're willing to look at it. And so you said to yourself, like, you just said recently, like, I help these people, and then, like, I wrote a book about it. So what? What prompted you to, like, reflect enough to share what you were learning, because so many people would reflect and just like, keep it to themselves.David Corbin 7:53  Yeah, I, you know, I had a good inner dialog, and I kind of talked to myself, what's working, what's not working, blah, blah, blah. You just sort of develop this stuff. All I could say is that when you when you're growing up, like I kind of grew up as like an orphan in a family, so I was kind of alone. Everybody was older than me, and so I was kind of like left alone. And by the way, I stayed in college for a different reason. Mine was to not get my ass shot up in Vietnam. So I had to keep my ass in college and stuff like that.Lesley Logan 8:26  And you had to get a certain GPA. You couldn't just be in college because my father didn't get the GPA, and that's why he was in Vietnam.David Corbin 8:33  Yeah, and I wasn't, and I wasn't going to go, but, but what I think my secret sauce is being awake, aware, alert. My heart's filled with love, and my mind is filled with opportunity seeking. So I see an opportunity. I wrote a book called Luminate: Harnessing the Positive Power of Negative Thinking, right, which is a whole different scene, because, you know, you can't outrun your shadow, but I would look and I taught face it, follow it and fix it. I mean, like, I knew that you can't solve everything you face but you can't solve anything unless you face it. So I wrote this book about face it, follow it and fix it. And that's how I created my inventions. That's how I invented my companies is face it. Here's it like in healthcare. I looked at this thing even before COVID and healthcare burnout with doctors and nurses and turnover was over a $4 billion per year problem. That was before COVID, right? So I went face that. That sucks. Follow it like why is that happening? Well, they treat them like shit, and they, you know, the hours and stuff, there's no there's stress constantly. There's no inter interruption of the pattern of stress. Follow it into the future. Well, we're gonna have a shortage of doctors and nurses. So what's the fix? So I invented a pod. It's a four foot by four foot pod with nature video. And they go in there, how do you feel? They answer some questions. They choose a video journey. Afterwards three to eight minutes, they say, How do you feel now? And in three to eight minutes, they go from their crazy roles and goals down into their souls so they're more present with themselves and others. And we prove it, we won the International Healthcare design award for innovation. We're in every hospital in New York. We're in 14 states, all because I keep my eyes and ears open, I say, What does love look like in this situation? Well, there's a problem, face it, follow it and fix it. And I think any listener of your podcast, or any this is my third podcast I'm doing today, if they ask themselves, what am I not facing in my career, in my relationship, in my relationship with myself, in my health, in my health habits, what am I not facing and then, you know, the ego goes, well, I don't know if I knew I'd face it. No, you wouldn't. So face it and then follow it and then fix it. I mean, I was 50 pounds overweight, and I had to face it like face it. Why, you know, and then follow it. Why am I 50 pounds? Well, I drink two, three glasses of wine after dinner, and then my blood sugar would go low, and I'd eat anything in the house, and then I go to sleep. So I turned into a fat person. And, you know, follow it out into the future, I was hoping I would have grandchildren. I won't be able to play with my grandchildren, so the face it and the follow it, and then you go into the fix. So that's one of the models that I teach in one of my books. And and it's kind of cool, because when you get known as the illuminator, which I was, then people hire you, like one company, I can't tell you the name of it, but it rhymes with schmomanos Pizza. They hired me to be their chief illumination officer, and we illuminated the fact that their pizza tastes like crap, you know. And then they, they did a whole ad campaign that said, our pizza tastes like crap. And they, I don't know if you're old enough to remember that, but did a whole campaign around that, because we illuminated, because we found, look, first off, here's some of the stuff. Okay, face it. Follow and fix it. The their issue was their profits sucked. Yeah, right. And they wanted to go public, so we faced it. One of the things we said is we can't move forward when your profits suck like that, so we followed, why are your profits so low? Well, it's because most people don't know what they're having for dinner by 4:30pm and they call up and they go, man, I got two kids and a dog and my neighbor's kid, I need to buy something, right? And they're put on hold. So what we found is they weren't in the fast food business. They were in the crisis intervention business. When you call 911, you don't want to be put on hold, right? So we taught all their people to be crisis intervention people, and they go, I got two kids and my neighbor's kid and my dog. What do I get? And instead of, like, I don't know what do you want? They go, no problem. We take care. That's our with that's our Package B with two round discs of cardboard and fake cheese and ketchup and crap on it and a big old bottle of sugar water with caffeine to get those little bastards to bounce off the wall. And they go, yes, that's exactly what I need. So we faced it, followed it, and fixed it. Well, now, I really don't choose to work with companies that are selling fast food, and I don't, you see the example of that. They have no idea. They didn't have a clue.Lesley Logan 13:54  Well, because you get so close to it. And also, you know, depending on what time of the day, like you can either go, oh my god, I can totally take on that problem, or you can put yourself in a spiral. At least that's me. Maybe that's just me, but I really like this, because I'll often say, like, reflect, correct and continue, but I like, thank you. And you know, like, we can't we're not gonna be perfect all the time. Even our best ideas are going to get to market and or get to your friends or get to your family, and somewhere in the translation, something like didn't happen, or people like, hold on, what's this? And we're all going to have to face it, follow it and fix it, or we don't, and it doesn't go where we wanted to go. And then we go, well, there's another idea that didn't work, you know? And so my my husband had a business coach who talked about, like, hugging the cactus, which makes me, like, think about, like facing it. Like we have to actually take responsibility for where we got to where we are. And it doesn't mean you have to beat yourself up. It doesn't mean that you have to spend a lot of time, like there, but you do have to go, Okay, I did put one step in front of the other and got myself here. I want to be over here. If I stay here, this is where it's going to go. I get more of this, which is not awesome, or I can do these things. And if I do that, what does that look like in the future? And then you can take some change. I really am obsessed with this, David, it's great.David Corbin 15:16  Yeah. G.R.F.R., baby, Get Real For Results. Get Real For Results. I love hug the cactus. One of my business partners wrote a book sold 2 million copies called Eat That Frog, Brian Tracy, sure, and yeah, Brian and I were partners for five years, and it's all about get real. So one of the things that I focused on with clients, and I just did a workshop yesterday for the Sheriff's Department in San Diego, California, and it's about illuminating their reputation. And that's building your brand. I teach you're either in brand integrity and living your brand or not, and that's what I call brand slaughter in the first degree, brand slaughter. You put people in jail for manslaughter but, companies allow people to kill their brands and get away with it. So I wrote a book called preventing brand slaughter, and then I wrote another book called the illuminated brand, which is a training program, is the greatest trading program I've ever developed. And I've been in this field for a couple of weeks now, and then I just did that for a client, a billion dollar client in Cancun a couple of weeks ago. And that's all about living into how you want to be described. So if Lesley Logan wants to be described as boom, boom, boom, boom, and boom, right then everything you do is either living into that and you're earning that. I call it an I.B.D. Intended Brand Descriptor. You're either living it and earning it, or you're not. And that's brand slaughter,Lesley Logan 16:54  Okay, this okay. I just had a client this morning, and she, usually I teach her on Tuesdays, but I was traveling, and so I said, hey, babe, I know you hate mornings, but if you want a session this week, it's got to be 8 a.m. that's all I got. And I'm only giving it to you because I don't normally like to work at that time, but it's for you. And she said, Yeah, I'll take it. I was so shocked. So I show up on Zoom, and she's like, well, I'm working on this thing. I'm a healthy person, that's what I'm telling myself. And if I'm a healthy person, a healthy person would work out at 8am they wouldn't skip their workout this week. They'd work out at 8am and so that's what it makes me think of. Like, I can't think of a like, I love what you described, because it's like, being it till you see it. It's like, how do I want to be described? How would I want to describe like, if it's the future and then, like, acting as if you're the person who has that description. What does that person do? What does that business do? What does that product do? What is like? What does that day look like? I'm obsessed. I love that. David Corbin 17:43  You got it. You know, you walk into the ladies room to wash your hands, right? And there's someone in the stall, invariably, with their cell phone, and they're talking they don't know you're there. Well, what if they were talking about you? What do you want them to hear them say about you. So what I teach is you make a list of your intended brand descriptors. That's the first part. Then you do an A.B.I. an Audit of Brand Integrity. So down here you got the lit, and there's a TV show they did on me on this. And I can give you the link if you all want to see it. So here's a list of descriptive adjectives. I call them intended brand descriptors. Over here are your touch points, customers, prospects, coworkers, vendors, whatever, and now you do an inventory. Say, here's the word I want to be described by this here, am I in brand integrity? Yay. Or, oh, shit, am I in brand slaughter? Now, once you find those areas of brand slaughter, do the next step. We call them S.B.I.s, Strategic Brand Initiatives, what can I do to close the gap? All of that when you do that on a regular basis, equals M.B.V. and that's Massive Brand Value. So I'm doing this with this training program with Fortune 500 companies. I'm doing it with smaller companies, and it's all about I.B.D. times A.B.I. and S.B.I. is M.B.V. What are your intended brand descriptors? Then you do an audit of brand integrity, Then you say, okay, here's the areas where I'm great. Pat yourself on the back. Here's the areas where I'm committing brand slaughter, you have strategic brand initiatives to close it. Boom. Now it's a no whining zone, baby.Lesley Logan 19:34  Oh, my God, I really do love this. I think this is really a lot of fun, because you can do this about anything, like anyone listening. If you're like, dating, and you keep attracting someone you don't really want to be with, it's like, you could literally go, okay, well, let's take a look at the profile, or let's take a look at, like, what I'm saying on a date. You can like, all these things. I have a girlfriend who, whenever she goes on a date, she actually has, like, a scale that she rates them and then herself on. She's like, how am I acting in on this date with this person. So you could do the same thing of, like, how you want to show up and who you want to be with, and who your friends are, and all the things. And you could figure out, like, oh, this, this right here. This is where I'm creating brand slaughter. This is where I'm I think it's fabulous. It's also it's something you could do throughout your career or life, or, I mean, like, you can do it and then you can go back and do it, like, each quarter or each year, because as you grow it's, you know, I read a book called I read a book called the middle, but I didn't finish it, and I think that's hilarious, but at the got to the middle, and I was like, I think I got the point. But you it talks about, like, how all businesses go up and down, up and down, up and down, like a graph. But ideally it's always just going up, like the stock market goes up and down, up and down. But if you look at big picture, it's always going up. So, you know, so I think, like, we can get so caught up in the down, and then we can flounder there for so long that we don't realize we came from a really big up, and we can learn from that and bounce back. And, you know, there's another day to try it out again. This is so fun, okay, so, but hold on, you have a lot of acronyms. I'm not dyslexic, but I am A.D.H.D.David Corbin 21:04  Me too. That's my theme song, A, B, C, D, A, D, D. That's my theme song.Lesley Logan 21:12  So how, like, how do you how do you keep this all like, where do you is it all in your head? Do you organize? You journal? Like, what's your way of keeping all these ideas in one amazing place.David Corbin 21:23  No, I've been I am a gifted man. See, the big dude gave me this incredible brain and this magnificent heart, and the highway between the two is wide open. So I can keep it here. I don't journal. I meditate, I do something else called meditration, which I developed, which is, yeah, you know, you're not supposed to think when you're meditating. But when you, well, I teach meditration, meditration where you sit down with a piece of paper, you put the issue or the question on top, then you put yourself in a meditative state after you set your iPhone or whatever, to 22 minutes, and while the questions on the top 22 minutes, pencil or pen on paper, and you dwell upon that question, and you don't open your eyes, but you write with your eyes closed, and you let the unconscious confidence come through, and the universal conscious confidence come through, and you write some good shit down there. Now, at first, it kind of like you read it as like don't eat frogs. What is that? Because you can't read your handwriting. Eventually, you allow the download to come through. No one is smarter. Like, it's smarter than chatGPT y'all, no shit, it's smarter than even chatGPT. You write it down and you tap in. You know, prayer is when you're talking out there, but meditation is when you're listening. You listen in meditation. You know, like our emotions scream at us, and our thoughts yell at us, but our intuition whispers to slow down meditration, take it all in. It's freaking awesome, because the answer to every, everything you got, every WTF has within it an OMG and end up LOL, right, right. Are you with me? Lesley Logan 23:26  Yeah, I'm with you. I love it. I know all these Okay. David Corbin 23:29  So, like, I wrote two books called From WTF to OMG, with a Little LOL: Unpacking Life's Hidden Lessons. The first one hit number one on Wall Street Journal, the second one hit number two behind Prince Harry. Yo. I don't know what Prince Harry? How does Prince Harry come in front of King David? But anyway, it's because everyone knows at a certain level, when you're in a when you're in trauma or drama, that's usually a gift in there, not all of the time. I mean, don't tell me. Like, you know, somebody who gets run down in New Orleans by a car or a toddler gets shot in a freaking daycare center. Don't tell me there's a lesson in there. No, not all of it.Lesley Logan 24:13  Not all, I agree. David Corbin 24:14  But most of our lives there's a pony in that pile of poop, you know? And so if you assume there's an OMG built into the WTF, you close the curve of drama, trauma and pain and misery, and just start looking, and then you get it, and you're like, yo, that's fantastic. So yeah, so I look for that sort of stuff. So there's meditration, but there's something I gotta tell you, are you ready for this? Lesley Logan 24:45  I can't wait. David Corbin 24:46  I am proud of this. So I got permission from the TED organization to hand out L.S.D. it to my audience,Lesley Logan 24:55  The real stuff. Oh, this is the fake stuff. This is the fake one. Yeah. Okay. Well, because the audience is so big. You're not going to buy L.S.D. for everybody.David Corbin 25:01  Even the, no, I'm not. I'm not that generous. But even even the fake stuff, I had to get permission. So what I did was I said, could you imagine, first of all, I talked about being backstage at Woodstock. And I said, you know, 50 years I saved all this L.S.D. and I got one for all of you. So, you know, I'm like, Oprah, one for you, one for you, one for you. And I said, so when I count to three, you're going to pick it up, toss it in the air, catch it in your mouth, and go, whoa, dude, I'm tripping. So they did that, right? Boom, boom, boom, 500 but whoa, dude, I'm tripping. I said, cool, now that you're tripping, and here's the point, Lesley, now that you're tripping, you could ask your business two questions, and because you're tripping, you could hear the business answer you in its voice. And here's the two questions, and this is what I would want everyone to write down. Number one is, your business. What do you need me to do? And then you write down a list of the core job functions, right? So your trip? So you write down the core. You got one list of core job functions. Then you say, your business. Who do you need me to be? And you write down the qualities and characteristics. Now you got two lists. Now, because you're tripping, you get naked, right? But, but, but not naked of clothing. That's the easy part. Now you get naked of ego, and you rate yourself on both lists on a scale of one to 10. 10 is chaching mastery. You could bring it to that business right now. The business is asking for it. You say, I got you. That's 10. One is you suck. Where you're a five, six or seven, you close the gaps. Same thing on the other list, qualities and characteristics. Good listener, right? Where you're a 10, great, but where you're a three, close the gaps. It's like those S.B.I. is the Strategic Brand Initiatives. It's all about get freaking real. So they're tripping. They have a conversation with their business. They get naked. They see where they need to close the gaps. When you do that, anyone who's listening to this, when you do that, you can no longer complain about market conditions and competition and this. And I don't have enough capital, and I'm not this enough. Bullshit. You take control of that and close those gaps. And as you do, you increase your competence, which then brings up your confidence, which then brings up your competence again. And you're and you go on up the eensy beensy spider, but not up the water spout. Up the spout to prosperity and fulfillment. Boom. When I teach that, and people come back and say, I did that. Had it worked, had it worked, it's a game changer, because now you're taking responsibility. You could do it for your health. Hey, body, what you what do you need from me? Make a list. Yeah, rate yourself on your ability to bring that. Close the gaps. Bring your gift, your body, your magnificent body developed. I mean, it's amazing. And keep it in optimal condition by putting natural foods in, hydrating with quality water, getting the right movement, then it's like life is easy. People say, David, you're 72 and you play pickleball every day and you play tennis, yeah. God made an incredible body. God made unbelievable food. I put God's food into God's body. Boom. No GMO shit. No chemicals, no process, no fluoride in water, no fluoride in toothpaste. You know, I cleanse my liver and my kidney everyday with homeopathy, I chelate heavy metals out of my body with ACC Nano. Take responsibility. Life is good, baby.Lesley Logan 29:20  I love how you attribute to business and also to our health, because I think it's really important. And I just want to, like, highlight a couple things. I didn't know I was doing meditration, but I was doing, like, like a version of the morning pages, right? So morning, like, my therapist was like, I want you to journal. And then I was like, well, I'm a recovering perfectionist. So a week later, I was like, what am I supposed to journal? Like, how do I journal? Not really even understanding which, I have the journals I got pens. I can't read my own handwriting. So, like, what are we doing here? She's like, okay, how would you just do morning pages? Just write for three pages and whatever comes out. And I found within a couple of days, like, the thing that was bothering me or the thing that I feared would like, it would come on the page, and then by the end, I would understand, why was I afraid? What was I going to do? All these different things? And so I can't agree more, like I don't. I think most of our listeners, like, when they hear meditation is the thing they need to do, they're like, I'm sorry. We're out. Because, like, when you have ADD or ADHD, good luck removing the thought from your brain, but giving someone something to think, like, actually do and close their eyes and let it come out. I do, I do see how that could be really amazing. Because I can see, like, first of all, I can get angry because I like, I like to get angry at the thing. I got to do a little blame game that I got blame myself. Then I got to keep going. It's like, actually, it's not me, it's not them. It's this thing right here that I've been avoiding. And we can stop avoiding it, or we could do the thing. So I love that. The other thing I love is, like, I love those questions you asked because I think, I do think inside you're correct, that we do have the answers. We don't need chatGPT to tell us. I mean, you can use that. I have friends who love it, and we have a bot of me. But like, you can also just ask yourself, like, what do I need right now? And half the time when I ask myself that, when I'm frustrated, I'm like, I need something that's like, drink some water. Like, just go drink some water. Go sit outside. Go pet your dog. Like, go do something that brings you present. Because one of the things that I like, really obsessed about with you, and I'm really trying to figure out how we even know each other. I'm like, saying, how'd this man end up on my podcast? I love him. He's so great. Where'd we come from? Yeah, no, I can see that from the application. I think it might have been my husband, so maybe, but we'll figure that out offline. But what I'm loving is you are so passionate, and that is, like, contagious, of course, in all the best ways, but you have so much kindness and grace for all situations like you're you've talked about your heart a few times, but like, what I'm seeing is like you approach everything with, like, it's a problem to be solved, but not from a place of like, punishment or shame or judgment, but just observation and then taking some time to to go what would what can I give myself? What can I do this? How can I learn more here? And what it allows is all of us to be in process. None of us have to be perfect at this. Like you're always, like you said, you get the competence, you get the confidence, and then you guess what? You get more competence, which means you get more confidence. So we're always going to be on this mountain with no peak, but not in a way that's like a slog, in a way that is like high, like a good high.David Corbin 32:19  Yeah, you're a natural illuminator? No, you are when, when you write and then you see it, you see what happens is, is we usually keep problems on. We sweep it under the carpet. Well, I can tell you that, like mushrooms, they multiply in the dark, right when you take it out, daylight is the best disinfectant. And so you take it out and you illuminate. You look at it. It's not as bad as when you you use so much energy to energy to repress it and keep it down in there and stuff. Just freaking look at it, and it like a vampire, something that evaporates just in daylight and stuff. So you're already doing in a way that I call it different you, but who cares? We get to the same place. What is your objective? What is my objective? I could tell you mine is happiness, love, joy, equipoise, health, fulfillment, like I just trademark something. You know they have KPIs. Keep, bullshit, because that's all left brain analytic perfection. Make it KFIs, Key Fulfillment Indicators, everybody, customers, you your employees, your employees' family, they all need to be fulfilled. So you're looking at these metrics to make everyone and everything fulfilled. That is a more feminine energy into business, and I'm all about that. The feminization of energy in this planet is time, and we're seeing it, we're seeing it, we're feeling it. So groups like Heart Math and the like, are testing and measuring the our brain emits x. Our heart image emits, like, 18,000 x it's unbelievable. It's all measured and shit. The work by my friend Joe Dispenza, in terms of of meditation and what's happening in there and brain waves. Oh, my God, he's having a seizure. No, they're down in this theta and that where you can see anything and every is like doing an Ibogaine trip, you know, or Ayahuasca, to a degree, but more Ibogaine, or 5-MeO-DMT, and like, you're expanding how you can see things and shit. It's really cool. So, yeah, one of you and I, one of us is redundant. The world doesn't need both of us because we both kind of think of the same. Lesley Logan 34:44  Can we, I've, I feel like, I feel like I need to find you in New York and we need to hang out because you like, I don't know, I want to be around your energy more. This is so fun. But also I, I want to highlight you guys. You have to, like, Look at this man on YouTube, on the videos, because you're the same age as my dad. And I think my dad's pretty bad ass for a 72 year old who, like, you know, had to do a post office game after the military and, like, got forced out of like, all all the life things that happened to him, and he can deadlift like, 300 pounds, like, the man is strong. But what I am obsessed with is your your recall, the way you are sharing these stories and that you're not stopping like, that is something that my 72 year old father does not have, and I can tell it's, one, it's all the ways that you're treating yourself. And two, it's like you're a constant learner, and you're and you're like, you're, you're going back to we talked about the beginning. You're like, facing it, following it, fixing it, like, because you're on that process all the time. It's, it's really cool to see, like, your evolution. I mean, it's just, I am very amazed and very impressed, and like, want to eat what you're eating, because I want to be, I want to be you at 72.David Corbin 35:53  M, my bride, Ann, and I wrote a book. It's 419 pages. It's called Resanity: Truths About Food, Pharma and Healthy Living in an Insane World. Now, we were told not to publish it because we outed a lot of industries, and they said, if you publish that book, you better have somebody start your car in the morning, because they ain't going to be happy. So, so we didn't have to publish it, but just the research, to your point, the stuff that I study, learn and teach is the stuff that I want to study learn and teach, you see, and it's a and it's an iterative process and stuff. So when I study health, I do health like I don't have to publish that book I learned all about chelation and homeopathy and to stay away from certain drugs and certain jabs and and foods, and don't listen to this bullshit and listen to that bullshit and muscle test and applied kinesiology, and we live it. So my wife and I just kicked ass to a lot younger guys on the pickleball court, and they're like, this sucks. I go, yeah, it sucks being you, man. No, I live in San Diego.Lesley Logan 37:07  I'm in Las Vegas. We're so close.David Corbin 37:10  Yeah, yeah, I know. In fact, I go to Vegas because I have a client who's an artist in residence at Mandalay Bay, at the House of Blues, and his name is Carlos Santana.Lesley Logan 37:20  Well, there you have it.David Corbin 37:21  Do you know who Carlos is? Lesley Logan 37:23  Of course, I do. I'm, my husband's a bass player and like, and he used to have a drum radio show, and I think they were getting Carlos and his drummer on. And if I'm wrong, Brad will just pretend like I was right, but I'm pretty, of course, I know Carlos Santana. Are you kidding?David Corbin 37:40  There's me and Carlos right there. Carlos' drummer is Cindy Blackman Santana. She was Lenny Kravitz's drummer. Carlos says, I love drummers so much I married mine. So Carlos' drummer is Cindy. And then they have a timpani guy, and then a congadera. The show. If you haven't seen the show.Lesley Logan 38:01  I gotta go. I mean, it's down the street from my house. David Corbin 38:05  It's, it's, it's a sick experience. And you hit me up and I'll see if I can, I sit in Carlos' seats, which doesn't suck. It's such an intimate environment, yeah, that even if you get standing room only. You're like, 10 feet away from a legend, and this, he's an enlightened being. Lesley Logan 38:26  I actually got to go to the that venue because I was, I thought I was getting tickets for the Counting Crows, but I got tickets to the Black Crows. My friends invited me, and I'm there and going. I don't know any of these songs. I have no idea who am I even seeing. And I was like, literally googling. I'm like, oh, this is a very famous band that I know nothing about.David Corbin 38:42  Girlfriend, dig this. So, so they were in town in San Diego. I was supposed to be in Vietnam. My trip Vietnam got canceled, so I'm in San Diego. So okay, so I go see them. And so the Counting Crows and Santana, I didn't know who Counting Crows was.Lesley Logan 38:58  So you actually saw the Counting Crows, and I saw the Black Crows, or you?David Corbin 39:01  I saw Counting Crows. So now, dig this, dig this. So now I'm sitting there with my wife, and my sister in law was in from and so we're there, and I'm actually enjoying Counting Crows. They're really good. That lead singer is like a theatrical performer, he's unbelievable. Right while I'm digging the music, I get the text, can you come backstage now? I'm like, torn between two lovers. I'm digging this music, but who doesn't want to go backstage and hang. Lesley Logan 39:32  With Carlos Santana? David Corbin 39:34  Kind of like, yeah, my life doesn't suck (inaudible) like, my life doesn't say, Okay, thank you. Thank you.Lesley Logan 39:42  Do you think like I feel like we fall into things? So I got to see and our listeners like, what are you talking about? Don't worry, because we'll have Be It Actions in a second. But for my birthday, I had a few friends come out for, like, a girls trip here in Vegas, and I didn't really make a lot of plans. And one of the girls goes, hey, it was, like, six o'clock and we were about to go to a dinner reservation. She's like, hey, do you want to go see The Eagles at The Sphere? And I was like, yeah, I'll go to The Eagles at The Sphere. Like, why not? Just like, yeah, we, we can get these. My friend has two, has box seats. And I was like, okay, even better, you guys. I was in the CEO of The Spheres box seats. I saw The Eagles live at The Sphere, which is like, the venue. My girlfriend goes, I think Bono is right next to us. And I looked over, I was like, No, that's Ringo Starr, babe. People have got to be looking like, who are these two girls at The Eagles concert in a box of The Spear? Because we're definitely not their age group. But I, I know The Eagles I grew up on oldie, like, I'm not, people would be so upset if I called oldies, but that's what I apparently, raised me on that so I was, I was having the best time of my life. Okay, we can share more stories. And obviously you need to have and need to have a hangout session when you're here in Vegas, or I'm gonna come to San Diego this summer, but gonna take a brief break, kinda where people can follow you, find you, stan you, all those things. All right, David, where do you hang out? Where can people read all of your books, like just get obsessed with you in the best way? David Corbin 41:10  Yeah. So here's the deal, my name, my handle. My name is David Corbin. If you can't find me on Google, schmoogle, chat, whatever, then forget about it. So, you know, David, and my email is david@davidcorbin.com and I answer every email, not immediately, but I, not my assistant. And I also have a, you know, I have a chat. I have a robo Dave. I have an AI Dave, which is kind of cool, but I answer any and all emails, because if somebody gives a shit enough to reach out, and if I vibe with them, then I'm going to answer. So there's that. So it's david@davidcorbin.com and I have another name, which is because I mentor some rap stars. So I'm known as everybody calls me Uncle Dave, because, like oldies, I am a freaking oldie. That's all good. I don't care. So, so they said, if you're going to be in this field, we got to give you a handle. Everybody calls your Uncle Dave. So Master P said, your name is Uncle D, U-N-K-A dash d. So I said, yo. And if you doubt if you doubt me, you better out me. He goes, oh yeah, you Uncle D. Lesley Logan 41:10  Oh my gosh, I'm obsessed. David Corbin 42:07  I'm Uncle D, so find me at Uncle D, and the books are all over Amazon. But you know, the most important thing is you don't need me. You need you. Don't go to YouTube. Kill the tube. Tune into the you. Tune into the you. You know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. I'm talking to most people you know a lot more than give self credit towards. So stop dissing yourself. Step into your greatness. You got greatness in you. Don't let anybody kid you. I'm known as the mentor to mentors. People pay me a lot of money to mentor them. Many of the people, I tell them, Okay, you're done. You I see that you got you. You don't need me. So boom mic drop. Lesley Logan 43:08  I can't even think of a better Be It Action Items to end this episode with Uncle Dave. Thank you for thank you for this. I honestly, I'm so excited. However, whomever, whatever got you on this schedule today, you've made mine, and I can't wait to connect with you again. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life. We want to know. Tag Dave, tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. In fact, if you share it with bunch of your friends, guess what? You all start doing competence, and then confidence, and then competence and confidence and rising together, and you don't have those crazy people in your life who bring you down. So thank you so much, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 43:44  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 44:27  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 44:31  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 44:36  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 44:42  Special, thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 44:46  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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What if scheduling joy was just as important as your to-do list? In this episode, Lesley Logan shares five intentional days to reset your life each month, a powerful community win from Tami-Adrian George on launching her coaching program, and a reminder that even organizing a closet can be a bold act of self-love. Because every little win means you're showing up and that's worth celebrating.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Five intentional self-care days to add to your monthly calendar.Celebrating imperfect but meaningful progress in your business.Why sharing your new venture builds support and alignment.Finding value in everyday wins like organizing your closet.The ripple effect of sharing wins and giving yourself credit.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions5 Non-Negotiable Days - https://www.instagram.com/p/DKIAyz6ym8R/Tami-Adrian George's Website - https://www.tagpilates.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It, babe. Happy Friday. How are you? What's going on? I'm still on the road as you're listening to this, so I recorded early, and so these are some of the wins that I did before I left for tour. But I actually think that it's a lot of fun and still worth listening to because same reason, I love to share your win. Sometimes they're a month or so after you've sent them in, and then you get to hear them go, oh my God, I did do that. And they get to re-celebrate this amazing thing that you did. So I'm going to re-celebrate what I did, in my view, but first, just so you know, you can actually send your wins. An easier way, go to beitpod.com/questions, I know that sounds weird, but you can put your question or win it or both, right, we answer your questions on the Thursday episode. We share your wins on the Friday episode. But first we share something that inspired me, and I thought you guys needed to hear about this. Lesley Logan 1:35  Okay, so it says five non-negotiable days you should schedule every month. All right, so this, I'll put the link in the show notes so you can actually see it for yourself. But it said there's five days that you have in here each month, right? So that would be 12 times a year, ideally. So you need to Get It Together Day that's a day to clear the clutter, physically, mentally and digitally. This can be paying your bills, organizing your inbox, or doing meal prep. It's boring, but it's a kind of maintenance that keeps life from spiraling out of control. I couldn't agree more. I love this Get It Together Day so it's already being scheduled in to the life that we live. It's kind of like, oh, let's pick a Saturday or a Sunday to, like, declutter a closet, right? So then we have Unplugged Day. So you need a day, it's 24 hours where you avoid technology as much as possible. So put down your phone and go for a hike, spend time with people or person, or read a book. The world will fall apart while you're offline, but your mental health might improve. I often use unplug days on planes because it's a little easier. But I also do play a video game. So, you know, find a day or half day or six hours where it's like, I'm not going to be like, using my technology, all right, be safe, but also figure like, get creative, right? Hey, the next day, Be a Tourist Day. Be a tourist in your own city day. How cool. When was the last time you explored your city like it wasn't just where you lived? There's a new location or try a restaurant you've never been to? Routine makes time fly, but exploration slows it down. See the world around you with fresh eyes. I couldn't agree more. We have been trying out new bars and new restaurants, and as I literally record this, I have a text message from a friend where I'm supposed to re-find a restaurant because I booked us a reservation and the restaurant canceled it, and as rude as they always are, they didn't tell us why. So now we're trying to figure out a new place to eat, and it's like, oh well, I'll just be a tourist that day. That sounds fun to me. Okay. Reconnection Day. Life gets busy, but relationships are what make it meaningful. Take at least one day per month to reconnect with people who matter, no agenda, no hidden motive, just real human connection. I mean, you can probably, like, combine some days, right? You have Reconnection Day with an unplugged day. Pick some friends, go for a hike, right? You could be a tourist too. Oh, my God, all these different things you could do. So if you like. I'm too busy for these days. Well, get creative. You know, like the world is what you see. I'm just gonna be really honest with you, and I think this is the last one, Mini Adventure Day. You don't need a plane ticket to have an adventure. Do something small that's new but feels exciting. Take a new route home, try a new class, or visit a museum, break your routine and make your days more story-worthy. So I'm just truly obsessed with this. I'm actually keeping this safe for myself. Just make sure that I'm finding ways to do these things in my busy calendar. You're gonna hear in the wins this month, like where I've actually done these things before I saw this, and I'm like, oh, I really love those things and look at me. I had a Reconnection Day. So anyways, I hope this inspires you. Lesley Logan 4:24  Now, let's do a win of yours. So this one was sent in from Tami-Adrian George. She actually has an episode coming up. She is a OPC teacher and an Agency member, and we have a really fun program coming out with her. So if your Pilates instructor wants to teach in people's homes, we've got something. So this one was from a little bit ago, but I'm sharing it now, and she says new website is done mostly just a few annoying bits to clean up, but messy action is my traction tag pilates.com. Spent a week getting the best hugs from college boy being home for spring break. Soft rollout for my biz. Coaching, have skill, will travel. The method is going well. There isn't much out there exclusively for traveling to instructors. And I want to take a quick moment in the sessions of my regulars to let them know that although they be seeing me more on my feet about coaching, I'm still 100% committed to their customized programs. I ask them to be sure to let me know early about their travel vacation plans so we can book their virtual sessions that will often fall a bit outside of the normal schedule with time zone changes, I expected a bit of pushback, and got none, just love and support. Made a new IG teacher friend who's in Thailand named Tick when I DM-ed him to thank him for following and asked how he found me, he sent a picture of LL's flashcards. That's so cool. Oh my God, so fun. So I love all these different little wins in here. I just wanna break them down, because you guys, she is celebrating a website that's mostly done, right, like oftentimes we wait to celebrate until everything is perfectly tied up in a boat that is not gonna happen. I'm literally looking at a pile of coats that I move from one closet to what's gonna be the next closet, and I'm still celebrating that I got them from one closet, right? We have to give ourselves permission to be in process and in progress. I also love that she is celebrating like, the little moments with her son being home, like it's really sometimes we want more of other people's time. We don't always get it. So when you celebrate the time you do have, it does make it feel so special. And then she is working on a new program, and I love that she is sharing that with people who it doesn't even apply to, so that they know what's going on and that she's still committed to them. Because oftentimes we're like, oh, let me make this precious. Let me hold on to this thing that I'm doing and not tell anyone about it, because I don't want them to know because in case it fails. No, tell people about it. Tell why they're doing it, tell how they're part of it, because you have no idea how they might know. Plus, universe responds to us talking about the things we're doing. So love all these wins. And also, if you are in business and you're listening to this, if you do get new followers, it's really important to sometimes find out how they found you, because it lets you know where you should be spending your time. So, way to go. I love that they have my flashcards in Thailand. Thanks for letting me know, Tami. Lesley Logan 7:04  All right, a win of mine. So I'll go with this one. I cleaned out a closet, and when I, right, like we were just talking about those coats. So we have this closet that's by the front door. I'm sure we, like everyone has closets they're by the front door. Anyways, this closet was like the dog closet, plus the coat closet, plus the shoe closet, plus my weight vest closet, and it's just kind of like it's too small for how many things it's supposed to hold. And in the wintertime, we need our big coats to be in there, and that is no longer something we need in there. So I pulled all the big coats out because we're not going to need until October, November. Anyways, and so they didn't quite make it into the podcast room closet, where all the other coats are, because we need to make room. We need to make space. And so I talked to Brad about this. I said, hey, before we leave for tour, we have to go through this closet. Okay? Because there's now this closet is a coat closet, slash the gift closet, slash your music equipment closet. So can we, like do that one of the weekends, and I'm sharing this with you. We're in the process of this win being another win, so we've done one win. The coat closet by the front door, easy to use, tons of space. Can't even believe it, like, so much room. We also donated a bunch of dog stuff to this shelter that takes care of homeless people's dogs. We had a bunch of toys that Bayon doesn't like, and since Gaia and August have passed, like we have all this extra stuff. We have one dog now, and we used to have three, so we have a lot of extra stuff. So we started to donate a ton of dog stuff that was used and gently used to another charity. So you can, you can find all with all the wins I'm having out of cleaning one closet out and, no, it's not done, the project's not done. But you know what? I can't wait in my life for things to be done before I celebrate. Life would be way too hard. There's way too much stuff going on. I just want to remind you of that each and every week, my loves, you're doing a really great job, and nothing is ever going to be perfectly done. Ever. You're going to realize, oh, like, the Reformer flashcards have gone through like three or four reprints. We've sold out, reprinted, sold out, reprinted. And on the third reprint, we discovered that there's a misspelled word no one has ever told us about, right? So here I thought we're done with that, and we're not. We have to reprint it. We'll wait till the next print. We'll fix that one word. But I just want to give you permission to celebrate that you pulled a coat from one closet and you got it into the room where it's supposed to go. Congratulations, right? Lesley Logan 9:24  So, send your wins in and share this with a person who needs to, needs inspiration that good things do happen to good people who put themselves out there and put themselves in process. They really, really, really do. And I do hope that I get to see you in person at some point, either on our summer tour, our upcoming winter tour in the U.K. next month, on our retreat, like, let's spend some time together because I love that the podcasts and our platforms allow us to reach people all around the world, but I truly love getting to meet you in person and hearing more about what you need and how we could support you. Helps us pick up the guests for this podcast. It helps us design classes on OPC. It's all part of it, right? So we want to meet you. So definitely reach out for information on any of the in-person events that we're doing, and send your wins or your questions or both to beitpod.com/questions. Thank you so much and have an amazing day. Oh, you know what to do, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 10:17  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 11:00  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 11:05  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 11:09  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 11:16  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 11:20  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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In this reflective episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell dive into the most powerful lessons from the interview with Tami-Adrian George, founder of T.A.G Pilates & More and creator of the HAVE SKILLS, WILL TRAVEL Method. Together unpack how to stop comparing and start honoring your own pace. Learn why alignment matters more than achievement and how to redefine success on your terms.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:What the Thass® connection is and why it changes your Pilates practice.Why you need to stop measuring your progress against other people.How building a values-aligned business support long-term success.The truth about burnout and how to listen to your body.How climbing life's mountains reveals new opportunities and clarity.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comOnline Pilates Classes - https://youtube.com/@onlinepilatesclassesSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsProfitable Pilates - https://prfit.biz/eventsTami-Adrian George's Website - https://www.tagpilates.comTami-Adrian George's Instagram - https://instagram.com/Tami.Pilates.rehab If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  We always are comparing ourselves to others and what they can do and then seen as a thing that we can't do, that we like, missed out. We missed the genetic opportunity to do that, or we missed out on the height to do whatever, like the money, the time, whatever it is. And really it's like, you know, something that we're really proud of at even OPC. And one of the reasons why we love Tami and why she loves OPC is like, she wants you to measure yourself against yourself. Lesley Logan 0:22  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:05  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intentional convo I have with Tami-Adrian George in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that one, you absolutely should, especially if you are a Pilates instructor, absolutely should do it. Brad Crowell 1:20  I mean, there's definitely a jaw-dropping moment in there where you're like, what did you do? That's amazing. Lesley Logan 1:26  Oh, and also, like, anyone who, like, thinks, oh gosh, I'm like, not quite my life has not been linear. I'm not qualified for anything like this girl has had a journey, yeah. Are you talking about when they they, yeah, yeah, like that. Brad Crowell 1:42  Yeah, okay, we should definitely cut that from it, because you should go back and watch that. So bleep out we'll bleep it out. We'll bleep out what Lesley just said. Lesley Logan 1:51  Yeah, that's even more fun. I love when pods do that, because you're like, who is it? What did they say? Now I have to go listen. Anyways, go back and listen and then come back and listen to this, or listen all the way through, get the cliff notes and then go listen to that one. Lesley Logan 2:04  Okay, today is July 31st and it's National Mutt Day. Dogs are special, and there're oodles of national international holidays to prove it, oodles of them. But unlike most of our doggy days, national mutt day on July 31st focus on the mixed breed dogs who sometimes get overlooked. This holiday inspires people to learn more about adopting one. National Mutt Day also brings attention to many great mixed breed dogs in need of homes. In fact, they benefit from the spotlight so much that we celebrate mixed breed dogs, not just once, but twice a year, on both July 31st and December 2nd. Join us and celebrate all mutts and mixed breed dogs that make our lives so great. So mark your calendar for December 2nd because we probably won't do this again unless we forgot we did it already. And I don't know what the second is, maybe it's not Thursday. But also, I highly recommend a mutt. They have less issues, like, way less like all that stuff.Brad Crowell 2:55  They, like health issues, you mean, usually, yeah. In fact, all three of our dogs have been mixed breed. Yeah. You know, we haven't gotten like a purebred but, but you know, generally speaking, if you're gonna pick up a dog from the pound, it's gonna be a mixed breed most likely.Lesley Logan 3:13  Brad, you are not following the feeds of my dog adoptions in this town. You how many Frenchies are available at a pound? Yes, Frenchies, Frenchies, and English Bulldogs. I thought those were thousands of dollars. I mean, like and beautiful huskies and beautiful German Shepherds. I will say there, there's a shepherd pit mix is like, the cutest thing I've ever seen, also a big dog. But, the reason I chose this is, if you haven't checked in with your local dog charities in town, you really should they are not doing well. They are overcrowded. They're having a lot of problems that shelters that used to be no kill shelters are actually becoming kill shelters because they have too many dogs. And if you're like Lesley, my life is crazy. I travel so much. Great. Foster. Get a dog for the two weeks you're in town and give it back. In fact, in this, where we are, like, they're always looking for fosters. And like, the fosters could be two weeks long, it could be or until they're adopted. So you could have this dog until it's adopted, and they pay for all the medical bills. They like, there's this one dog, eight month old puppy, so cute, she's so cute. She's got skin issues. And they're like, We will cover all of medication. You just have to apply it and give her a home. That's all so, you know, like, not all fosters are fails, and you could be doing a really great thing, but literally, one of the shelters in town took in 400 dogs and cats in one week. Brad Crowell 4:35  What? Lesley Logan 4:36  I know we haven't before, we're recording this, before the fourth. It wasn't even the fourth. So they actually were able to adopt. They did a no fee adoption weekend, and they adopted 120 animals. Because, like, they, like, just need to get these things, these animals adopted. So I know it's hard. Like, apartments have rules and laws and all those things. It's really, really difficult. But like, figure out what you can do. Can you walk these dogs? Like, what can you do? Because they actually do make your like, if you think the world is falling in and it kind of is, I'm not gonna lie, really, really struggling right now, but there's something nice about hugging a dog. Yeah, I can't, I can't attest for a cat, so I don't know. Maybe they're great too, or a rabbit, but like a dog, like they're just really, there's unconditional love there. There really is. So you, it really helps you. And we go for walks with our dog in the middle of the day, because we're like, this is really overwhelming. And we go walk the dog, and you're like, oh, it's a good day. Look how beautiful the day is. So anyways, yeah, do that today. Lesley Logan 5:30  Okay, we're currently on tour with our dog. We are in Northern California, and the tour goes to August 17th, so you actually still have time to join us, and there's still time to get your virtual tickets to the Calgary event. So if you go to opc.me/tour, you can see the rest of the lineup. I know we have coming up, Eureka, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Kamloops, Calgary, then it's McCall, Idaho, Salt Lake City, Utah, and then Las Vegas. So still good, half of this tour is available, and Calgary is the one if you're wanting the virtual tickets, limited space on those, so just go to opc.me/tour, and then we're home for a couple weeks, and then we change the entire wardrobe we've been in to go to where it's not so warm. We're going to be in the UK. We have two events in the UK the time we're recording this. There's a couple spots left in Leeds. There's a few spots left in Essex, and Essex has opened up not only day passes, but single workshop options. If you just wanted to buy one workshop and see us like that is an option. You just have to go to opc.me/uk, and then Brad, then what? Brad Crowell 6:32  Then we're heading to Cambodia. Lesley Logan 6:34  Yeah. We come home for a couple weeks and we change the wardrobe again. So we go from summer to winter-ish, and then we go to the jungle.Brad Crowell 6:45  We go to humidity. Lesley Logan 6:47  Humidity. Oh, my God, my skin is dying for it. Brad Crowell 6:51  Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. We still have some room for Cambodia in October. It's there's definitely still time to come join us. We'd love to have you the this trip is gonna be really fun we're having two excursions after the retreat is over. One of them is to go see an elephant sanctuary, and the other is to go visit a waterfall that used to be the King's Waterfall. And these are two magical trips Lesley and I have had the chance to do before and. Lesley Logan 7:20  I really wonder how the king got up to this waterfall, because our experience is less than first. Brad Crowell 7:25  It takes like it's like an hour to drive up, up, like, there from the city and like, man getting up the hill. Like, now finally. Lesley Logan 7:34  They're trying, they're trying to pave it, but it's not. Brad Crowell 7:36  Yeah but when we first went up there, it was like 2017 or '18 or something like that and like it was literally just a slick, muddy road.Lesley Logan 7:45  I thought we got stuck in the mud. Brad Crowell 7:46  We did yes, and we had to get off the bus, just so the bus was light enough to get around the freaking corner, and then we had to run around the corner ourselves and hop back on. We were like, are we gonna make it up this hill? This is crazy. Today, it's not like that. Today, it's actually paved, not like, it's not beautifully paved, but there is paving. Lesley Logan 8:03  There's, okay, here's the thing, every time we go, I'm interested to see how far the paving has gone, because it, you know, we live in Vegas, and I'm going to tell you right now, I have wanted to film the construction cones that go up in this town, like, I just want to start filming them for you, because they make no sense, like when we had them at our street for three years. They we had cones on ours, three years. Some days you would be driving on the right side of the road, some days the left side of the road. Some days you think you're in the left turn lane, but really you're in the lane for the oncoming traffic, and then you are stuck because they can't go you can't go anywhere. They can't go anywhere. And now there's a new cone set up on our way to the gym. And we are just always watching people go in the wrong lane. A truck almost hit another car. Brad Crowell 8:48  Oh, yeah. It's the real thing. Lesley Logan 8:48  So, so, so when I talk about this construction situation in Cambodia, I want you to know like, I do not think we are better. In fact, they might be better because what they did is start at one end of the mountain and pave a little bit, and then stop because they ran out of money, and then, but only on one side. And then.Brad Crowell 9:08  When you say one side, you mean one side of the street. Lesley Logan 9:08  One side of the street. Brad Crowell 9:11  Yeah. So they didn't pave both sides of the street the same time. They paved the right side like, imagine that they paved the right side street and they painted it like, you know, the dotted line in the middle of your of the road. Imagine that that was the right lane they painted. And then they or they would pave, and then they would stop for 300 yards, then they would pave for 300 yards, then they would stop for 300 yards. Lesley Logan 9:32  Yes, so you're on pavement, off payment. Brad Crowell 9:34  Then on your way back, they did the opposite, exact opposite. So almost looks like a zipper, right, and like, you're not allowed to, like, cross between the two sides of the road, but in order for. Lesley Logan 9:44  Everyone does.Brad Crowell 9:45  Everyone does.Lesley Logan 9:46  And if you're on curves, and it's, so everyone is driving on.Brad Crowell 9:50  You can get stuck, because, like, it's actually raised up off the ground by like a solid foot. So if you're on the paved part on the wrong side of the road, you can. And someone comes at you. It's not like you guys can just get off the road like, so it's like this. Lesley Logan 10:04  Yes, so you're playing like chicken, or all the motos are doing. Brad Crowell 10:08  I mean, it's not like they're going fast so. Lesley Logan 10:10  No, you can't go fast. It's pretty steep. Anyways, it is. It is the most fun to adventure, you're totally safe. And then we go down to the waterfall and we have lunch, and it's just absolutely fabulous. So, so anyways, you got to come crowsnestretreats.com.Brad Crowell 10:23  Yeah, crowsnestretreats.com I heard that we have an audience question. Lesley Logan 10:28  We do. I sent it to you. I sent it to the whole family.Brad Crowell 10:33  Yes, you did. All right. This is from YouTube @janethangan7368 says, excellent question excellent one question. This was on your full body Pilates tower workout. Excellent. One question. I think you keep saying fast connection, F-A-S-T fast. I know you're referring to an activation of the hams and glutes, but are you actually saying fast or what are you saying there, and where does the term come from? Your cueing and your tips are outstanding. I just can't understand you. I added that last part she didn't say that.Lesley Logan 11:08  Oh, I was gonna say, I don't remember that part. I remember like, I remember thinking, wow, I'm gonna put a compliment in with a question. Look at that. So, so over on the YouTube channel, so that's youtube.com/@onlinepilatesclasses, we, couple years ago, did upload a few workouts, and this is a Tower workout. Yes, I'm on a Cadillac, but it's a Tower workout, and it's a booty workout, because people who want to help you with your YouTube telling you you have to do butt and abs workout. So anyways, I am saying Thass® connection. Brad Crowell 11:37  Spell it. Lesley Logan 11:39  I was like, Thass® T-H-A-S-S it's where your thigh meets your butt. And really what it is is it's like the muscles that surround the leg, minus the hip flexors. So, so many people in Pilates are over using their hip flexors. In fact, one of my dear friends did a whole three month air quotes around Pilates pro challenge because she didn't really go to an actual Pilates class. And I was like, oh no, Pilates-inspired is marketing tool. That's not it. But she was talking about how much her hip flexors were hurting her in all the classes. And I'm like, yes, that's because you're not using your hamstrings or glutes, your outer hips and inner thighs, and that's what the Thass® connection is. And so. So, Jane, with lots of letters and numbers. It is the area that is not including the hip flexor that helps your legs move from your center. And you can find it in all Pilates exercises. And it's, in fact, very helpful. And I teach a workshop on this. In fact, I teach it on several different stops on our tour, including the Calgary stop, which is a virtual stop. So you could all join us for the virtual Thass® workshop to really understand this connection. Where did it come from? I heard a yoga teacher say foodie, and I heard it and thought, and I was like, I don't, I say ass, so I'm gonna say Thass®. Now, do I think I invented this word? No, because I'm sure that anytime someone quotes me as the trademark owner of Thass®, there's people who come at me like, you don't own this word. And it's like, well, technically, I do. It doesn't mean you can't use it. You just can't make money on it because I trademarked it, but I was known for it. I've been teaching workshops and this connection for over 10 years. It's been something I've been on a journey with, with myself, and so I'm not going to say that I'm the founder of this word, because language has been around a lot longer than all of us on this planet. However, it is something that I really am passionate about. So I hope you join us, Jane, for the Calgary event on on virtual if you can't join us in person at one of the events where we're teaching it in real life on the tour. You can send your questions in at beitpod.com/questions, you can also send your wins in to the same link. So, beitpod.com/questions. You can also text us at 310-905-5534.Brad Crowell 13:49  Yep, yeah. But go to beitpod.com/questions because.Lesley Logan 13:52  (inaudible) number was like, 310, be it till you see, like, you know what I mean, just be it. Can we have a phone number like, just be it? Brad Crowell 14:01  Be It Pod B-E-I-T-P-O-D 7, maybe we can do that. Lesley Logan 14:06  Yeah, figure that out, team. Brad Crowell 14:08  Yeah, team.Lesley Logan 14:10  Oh, while we're doing this, I haven't shown you yet, and you're not gonna see it, because Meredith and I are doing it ourselves, but we're doing new art for the pod.Brad Crowell 14:17  Oh, I love it. Lesley Logan 14:19  Me too. Me too. Brad Crowell 14:20  I've been thinking about actually changing up. Lesley Logan 14:22  I want to change the music. Brad Crowell 14:24  Yeah, all, a lot of things, just changing it up.Lesley Logan 14:26  Because I, because, here's the thing, and you guys, please send in your send in your comments and your questions and your wins here. I like the music of our pod on 1.75 speed, but I don't like it at 1.0 speed. And so I want a faster song now, like, I like this podcast has grown and, you know, it's I want it to just be like, I don't know. I just, I don't even know. Like, Lindsay Sterling was who I like based it off of before. And of course, we still love her, and she did a great song with Jeffrow, our dear friend, but I guess like it, but faster, so maybe we can just make it faster. So. Brad Crowell 15:08  We can make it fast, faster. Lesley Logan 15:10  Faster, faster. Okay, we gotta talk about Adrian. Tami-Adrian, we are we are late. People are wondering what's going on and why you're clicking over there. Brad Crowell 15:21  All right, stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 15:20  All right now, let's talk about Tami-Adrian George. She is a former competitive dancer and actress turned powerhouse Pilates instructor and mobility coach. Her journey has included everything from Super Bowl halftime shows to on set acting and urgent care medical work and now a thriving mobile Pilates business in Los Angeles. She's the founder of T.A.G. Pilates & More and has been teaching for over 34 years, it's insane, blending classical and contemporary Pilates with functional fitness and rehab. She's also a featured instructor on OPC, bringing her deep expertise to clients and teachers around the world. And Tammi is just so awesome. Lesley Logan 15:59  She's so awesome. She comes to the house a couple times a year. We get to hang out with her when she films and everything and when, whenever, whenever, she reminds me how long she's been teaching. I'm like, oh, you're much, you've been around longer. But she doesn't look older like she has such. Brad Crowell 16:16  No, she's just fun and hip and cool. Lesley Logan 16:18  She's so fun. She's so hip. She's also, like, proof, she's walking proof that if you, like, put your mind to something, and you figure out the resources that are there, you can have it, you can do it. You know, like, she just really doesn't let like obstacles stop her. She's like, okay, that's an obstacle. Let me figure out another way around it so. Brad Crowell 16:34  You can do it. Put your Thass® into it. Lesley Logan 16:36  That's right. So she said, one of the things I loved that she said was, we all have blocks of what we think we cannot do. Let's not measure you against a 19 year old on the mat next to you. Let's measure you against you. And I really love this because, you know, we just came out of an eLevate weekend, and people were like, oh my God, she's just got a beautiful practice. Like, how am I going to teach that? I'm like, what if we looked for the strength in her practice rather than the beauty of the practice? Like we all doesn't matter how the person that they're talking about is the same age as them, actually it doesn't the age is not even a thing. It's that we always are comparing ourselves to others and what they can do and then seen as a thing that we can't do, that we like, missed out. We missed the genetic opportunity to do that, or we missed out on the height to do whatever, like, the money, the time, whatever it is. And really it's like, you know, something that we're really proud of like even at OPC. And one of the reasons why we love Tammy and why she loves OPC is like she wants you to measure yourself against yourself. I want, we want to measure yourself against yourself. So whether that's in Pilates or or your job career or whatever you're doing, how can you see other people's achievements as opportunities, like examples that opportunities exist, rather than, I'm too old for that now, or it's not my legs are too short for that now, or whatever it is, right?Brad Crowell 17:48  Yeah, it's, I mean, with Tami, she's, she's seen it all, she's seen it all, right? And I think that, especially in Los Angeles, where she came from, was career, her career in acting like, that's like, literally, everyone's comparing themselves to everyone. Oh, my God, right. And so it's so intense. Lesley Logan 18:08  And also, let me just like, because I had to do castings like, I'll just say they just like compare themselves to everyone. So when Tami is an actress, like, there might be one role for black women, right? But then also, just in general, when I went to a was asked to go to a casting for commercial. They're like, we want redheads hipsters. So you are you're in a line, yeah, and it's like, everyone's redhead and everyone's wearing flannel. So you, you, it's so easy to start comparing yourself to everyone else like you, because you're like, Oh, we're all here because they wanted a redhead who can wear a flannel. Like, we're all here for that, you know? So it's it. I get that, like life is easy to do that, especially in certain situations, but it actually just keeps you from experiencing, like what you can in this world. It really holds you back.Brad Crowell 18:56  Yeah, the I mean, the one thing, that, one thing that I really dug was she was talking about climbing the mountain. You like, you have to climb that mountain. Everyone has to climb the mountain. And as you like, what in order for you to see the bigger picture, you know, it often just takes learned experience, like lived experience. And she was talking about, you know, lifting to view to see everything when you climb, then you can enjoy that view. You do a little dance, and then you're going to climb a little higher, and you're going to see a whole new view, right? Because you're going to, you're just going to see the world as a different way as you're going along each time you climb and hold that level for just the moment, you see a little bit more. You see more possibilities, right? So you go after those new possibilities, and then you see things from a whole nother perspective, all again, you know, because we're, we're living and growing and changing and climbing, you know, and I love that I was thinking about my own life when she was telling that story. And, I mean, you know, it's just like the the wisdom of having lived a long life, the experience that you have, you know, I laugh at myself because of, you know who I was and how I thought 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, even five years ago, you know, it I see things differently now, you know, and I actually think, you know, it's amazing, because where I like, I think this is where I'm always amazed by people who are, you know, in that 20s and 30s younger than me. I mean, not necessarily, whatever age doesn't matter, but who are younger than me, but have that bigger view than I do, even, and that's amazing to see. Like, it's those are the kinds of people who attract other people to them, because their vision is huge, you know. Lesley Logan 20:49  Yeah, yeah, I agree. We also, she mentioned one other thing, like, she was talking about just like, the settings for experiences that you're going through, like, sometimes you're, like, in a group class and like, that's a different style than if you are getting a one-on-one. And she'll say, like, sometimes it just, like, the things you want just require someone, like, someone's eyes on what you want, like a one-on-one experience, so they can be tailored to you. And I think that that's such an important thing. Like, whether it's your Pilates practice or it's your business. Like, you know, I think it's, there's the there's so much free information out there. Like, of course you can, if with the right question, with the right question, you can probably find the right answer. But sometimes you just need someone to, like, look at it from an outside perspective and go, actually, like, yes, you could do that. But what if you do it this way and just have that helping hand? That's what she does for her clients when she goes to their homes. And that's what she does with teachers who are wanting to go into teachers homes. Like she can bring that perspective that's just more tailored.Brad Crowell 21:49  Yeah, bringing, like, bringing it back to what you were talking about before. You mean, yeah, like, you know when you're measuring yourself against you sometimes, you're having a one-on-one or having a coach, you know that that truly changed our business was, was lifting the hood and letting somebody help us analyze it and be like, why did you make this decision and then this one seemed like, this was a great decision. Can you do that decision again? And we're like, oh, why didn't we think of that obvious freaking thing? Good idea.Lesley Logan 22:19  Yes, I do remember. I do. I actually know exactly which conversation you were talking about.Brad Crowell 22:24  You know, it changed our business. You know, like, hilarious. Lesley Logan 22:27  It changed our lives. Brad Crowell 22:28  It changed our lives. Yeah, so, so having that one on one, you know, in your Pilates practice can also be just as revelatory, you know, just a third party perspective. So I love that. All great points for Tami. Brad Crowell 22:39  Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 22:44  All right, let's talk about these Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Tami-Adrian George? She said, hey, you know what I like to do, I don't set alarms of take out the trash or go do the thing. She said she sets alarms that build her up. And so she suggested that we all do that instead of wake up or walk the dog. Change that label to you're doing amazing. Let's go. Or even on tough travel days, she reframes it, woohoo. Today's a travel day. Let's do this, right? We love that. I think that's brilliant.Lesley Logan 23:20  I love this. It's because I just saw something on the internet was like, hey, like, change your like, your folders on your phone to like affirmations. And so, like, I did, and I'm like, trying to figure out how to get all of my apps into different folders so I can just look at the affirmations. Like, that's all I want. I'm like, what, what app is this? Is it I am connected, or is it I am seen? Like, I don't know.Brad Crowell 23:41  Well, the the alarms, if you're not familiar with this, I know on an iPhone, at least, you can actually set a message with the alarm, and that's what she's talking about. So your alarm can certainly just be standard, boring old, beep, beep, beep, whatever. Or you can have it do that and show you a message, because the alarm can be, quote-unquote, for a thing. So, you can set a reminder and inside of the alarm. So if you have never explored that, it's just, all you have to do is click the add a text button. Brad Crowell 23:40  I think it's worth trying right now. Just do it for tomorrow morning.Brad Crowell 24:11  Yeah, and you can, you can check that out. So, you know, set yourself a positive alarm. What about you? Lesley Logan 24:17  Okay, so I'm really, my biggest takeaway is that I'm really proud and excited to share like, Tami has been working so hard. And like, we've been able to watch it from this, like, the sidelines and cheer her on, and, like, help her in amazing ways. And she has an incredible eight week program called Have Skills, Will Travel. Brad Crowell 24:34  Have Skills, Will Travel.Lesley Logan 24:35  And she, it's a program, it's like you already you have a lot of what you need to have a mobile business, but she helps you put it in the right organization, so that it's you're not just driving around town like a maniac trying to, like service everyone, but the business works for you. And so.Brad Crowell 24:52  I mean, it's not just that, it's also like, a lot of practical tips and lit, like learned experience that we're talking about.Lesley Logan 24:58  Profitable. Not just profitability, but safety and sustainability so you don't burn out. Brad Crowell 25:03  Yeah, and she she does, like her program I was talking with her about, like her one-on-one coaching, and when she actually works with clients, she becomes their accountability buddy. So this eight-week program that we're excited to be able to host.Lesley Logan 25:17  Yeah, we're gonna host it on Profitable Pilates. Brad Crowell 25:20  Yes, it's going to be great, because it's going to be four live calls, virtual calls, where so every other week during the eight week program, and she's going to give you some homework to go do, and you're going to be able to wrap your mind around this business model and to really see, is this something that is for me? Is this something I want to do? And if so, you're going to be able to walk away with, like, a pretty good road map for getting started. And then if, as you're pulling, you know, like going out there to do it, you need more, you know, you can still connect with Tami outside of that afterwards. So, yeah, come, come join us. In order for you to find more information about this, go to prfit.biz/events. So, prfit.biz/events that'll put you on our waitlist for our live events that we're doing for Profitable Pilates prfit.biz/ Lesley Logan 26:08  Yeah, so even if Pilates or other fitness instructors who are wanting to do more in home, so instead of having your own space, you use their space, this is for you. And if you're even just curious about it, like it's it's going to be affordable and worthwhile. So that you don't you can go full in knowing you love this, or going, whoop, I'm so out on that. Like Tami, I think we joked about this episode, like, I am not an in-home Pilates teacher. It is not I want you to come to me, but like she's so good at it, you know? So anyways, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 26:39  And I'm Brad Crowell. Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life?Lesley Logan 26:46  Better tag us. Better send us to a friend who needs it. Send us to your Pilates teacher friend who needs it. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 26:53  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 26:55  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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After 34 years of teaching, Tami-Adrian George knows what it takes to build a business that supports both your schedule and your sanity. In this episode, Lesley Logan and Tami talk about how she stumbled into Pilates, why she chose mobile teaching, and what it really looks like to run a thriving in-home fitness business. You'll hear about the mindset shifts that helped her get unstuck, the systems she uses to stay grounded, and how her Have Skills Will Travel method empowers teachers to build flexible businesses with purpose.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.Guest Bio:Tami-Adrian George is a multi-talented mobile Pilates instructor, rehabilitation specialist, and business coach, best known for her Have Skills, Will Travel method. She began her career as a competitive dancer and NFL cheerleader, even performing at a Super Bowl. Transitioning into acting and modeling, Tami appeared in Starship Troopers, General Hospital, and more than 50 national commercials. The demands of the entertainment industry led her to Pilates, which became a transformative and sustainable approach to health and well-being. Pilates provided her with the stability to make empowered choices and redefine her career path. Embracing the freedom of mobile teaching, Tami built a thriving practice serving high-profile clients in private settings. Through her signature method, she now coaches service professionals to grow premium mobile businesses without the overhead of a studio—helping them create lives of flexibility, connection, and success. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We all have limitations we're holding on to, and sometimes you just need that one on one, eyes on you to say, great where you are you're doing fantastic. Please, let's not measure you against the 19-year-old on the mat next to you. Let's measure you against you.Lesley Logan 0:24  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:07  Hi, Be It babe, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. So excited. We've been saying we're gonna have her on the pod, OPC teacher and truly expert in teaching your service in people's homes. Tami-Adrian George the one and only. Truly, truly, truly, so excited. She is here at the house filming for OPC, and we have exciting thing coming out with her. But I really wanted you to hear like, how your life can have so many chapters, and they all can layer upon themselves. I think sometimes we're so hard on ourselves about like, oh, I went over here, I took this detour, and I, what you're gonna hear in her story is like, how everything just layers upon itself, and how you can utilize these gifts that you have to do the thing that you want and it can fulfill you. You can be fulfilled, right? Instead of, like trying always to do the next thing. So here's Tami-Adrian George. I'm so excited that she's on the pod. Thank you so much for being here. Lesley Logan 1:55  All right, Be It babe. Guess what? We are doing things differently today. Our guest is in the house. Our guest is Tami-Adrian George. She is like, the one and only, most fabulous, most amazing. Can't believe the lives this woman has lived. I have been, Brad and I have been so honored tonight. I don't know that Tami knows this, but we met Tami through Agency Mini, many, many years ago. Brad did a call with you, and he got off, he's like, I really want to help her. She is amazing. She is such a go-getter. We could do so much with her. And here we are, I don't know, five years later, four years later, at least, I think it's five, and you have done so much. So Tami, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Tami-Adrian George 2:35  Well, hey there, yes, it's me, Tami-Adrian George, and it's been quite the adventure. I came into Pilates quite by accident. This was something that was going to save my brain, because before that, I had been in high school, competitive dancer, competitive cheerleader, choreographing, competitive competitions for other teams. I danced at the Super Bowl, things like that. Then I get out of there, get into college. Decide, let's, let's act while we're in the middle of college. Okay, let's do that. So I start modeling and acting. Almost miss my college graduation because I was working so much that I was never in town. I did the entire last year of university via fax. That's how old I am.Lesley Logan 3:32  Can you believe it that they did that? I'm impressed that they did that.Tami-Adrian George 3:35  My professors are really great. So by the time I got to the end, you know, they were willing to sit and talk with me and say, okay, why is it that you're never in class? Have you been to the movie theater lately? Then I realized this time that I was on different sets, especially photo shoots in particular. But any set, there is this weird dichotomy that goes on where they want you to fit into the wardrobe, but they have this thing called the craft service table, which is a giant table laden with every food you could ever want that will knock you on your butt with fatigue and sleep, will make you bloat instantly, and you're not allowed to eat any of it.  Lesley Logan 4:20  Right. But it's there. It's there. They fed you. They gave you the opportunity to eat, but they really you're not supposed to do it. Tami-Adrian George 4:29  And I was around people with some really terrible eating habits, some really disturbing and dangerous habits, and I realized I need to figure out something to do that I can do while I'm traveling. There's not always a gym available. I can't always go for a run. Sometimes I'm in a country or a state that I've never been in before by myself, and I can't just go for an hour run. And I stumbled into Pilates, and the instructor that I was working with this wonderful woman named Jacqueline Potter said I really think you need to become an instructor. And I'm thinking, My life is so full I don't have time. But I went ahead and kept doing it. Started, oh, this is kind of cool. Oh, I could do this. I could do that. And I realized that by becoming an instructor, I got to learn more, and I got to do more. And it was, it was always the thing that kept me grounded. So no matter what set I was on, no matter where I was traveling in the world, I always had Pilates. I always had a stable of clients at places that I was teaching around town, private sessions that I was doing in people's homes. And it gave me the freedom to turn down jobs. I didn't want to do a lot of nudity. I didn't want to do a lot of sex scenes. There were things that I just knew weren't right for me at the time. This is, you know, the 90s, early 2000s every person of color was stripper, sex worker, girlfriend of drug dealer, dead.Lesley Logan 5:57  You'd be dead girl number two.Tami-Adrian George 6:00  Yeah, that's what happened. You get this, this great character, and you do all this character development, but you're really still secondary. And I was fighting for every part, because it wasn't like it is now. And there came a point once I got married and once I had a son and actually killed my husband in a movie. That's how we met. My husband had some serious health issues going on, and I realized I wasn't getting the joy from acting that I was getting from Pilates, from my clients, from helping them get to their goals. When an audition would come through, or sometimes even a booking would come through, I would get this tightness in my chest, like I don't want to do this job. I just got this particular person through a hip replacement. We're not done yet, and you want me to go sit in hair and makeup for three hours. Are you kidding? So eventually the pandemic hit. And I think that's how I found you and Brad, the Agency is, I'm home by with my husband and my child, but I'm alone, and I need connection. Lesley Logan 7:10  Yeah, yeah. We all find ourselves in a place where it's kind of like, not a fork in the road, but just like I can't keep going the way it's going, and I've gone as far as I can go on my own, and I need help, and I just so, you know, know, like, I go every few years. I'm like, okay, I've gone as far as I can with the knowledge that I have. Changes have to be made, shifts, and it's interesting. Thank you for taking us on the journey. Of like, the pendulum swinging. Of like, first Pilates was there to support you. Then Pilates became something that you did in between jobs, then it became like, oh, actually, I'm enjoying this more. And how, how interesting that you're so connected to yourself because of who of all the work you did, that you could feel like, oh, I'm not getting excited about a booking. Like I should be excited about a booking.Tami-Adrian George 7:54  Exactly. And I left out the years that I worked at an urgent care that also had a family practice and a workers comp suite attached to the medical complex, and I was always hanging out in the physical therapy workers comp area, looking to see what they were doing. What are you doing now? Why are you doing that? And to see that oh my gosh. Pilates is physical therapy. It all comes full circle. The exercises that they're teaching are some of the things that I'm learning over here. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I can say in California, physical therapists are not allowed to work on a part of your body that is not in your doctor's prescription. Lesley Logan 8:40  That's definitely in the States, yes. Tami-Adrian George 8:42  Period. But the body heals as a unit. The body compensated for your injury, your surgery, whatever you were going through as a whole. So that's why, even though you got your knee replaced on the left, your right shoulder is killing you, because we're doing these things to balance through the body when we're in pain. So it was interesting for me to see these amazing physical therapists whose hands were tied, and now they were starting to reach out to Pilates instructors and say, I'm doing this with my patient. Can you supplement them and get them back to whole. So that's a whole nother part of you know what you're doing in your life starts to come in every, you're doing everything for a reason. You don't know what it is, yet. Lesley Logan 9:33  I love this. I actually do. I, you're kind of on the same mindset as I just been hearing that, like, I think it's really easy for us to go, oh my God, I wish I'd known this then, or I wish I'd done this now. Or I wish, I feel like I wasted my time there. And it's like, actually, y'all, if you just take a look at your whole resume, not just the resume you put out for the job that you want, where you like, you know, let's move with this thing, and let's adjust this thing. But if you look at your whole resume, everything you've done has assisted in getting you to where you are and what you liked about those things, there's commonalities that you can like, you can actually borrow from to help you figure out, like, what, where do you want to go? Because, as Pilates instructors, you and I have had very different careers. You know, I did have some in-person clients. It did not fill my cup, it did not fill my joy. But it feels yours like, it's like, literally, the thing that you do. And I think, like, had I not ever done in person, I couldn't actually help people who are like, oh my gosh, go teach in someone's house. I'm like, okay, hold on. Hold on. Because I had to go into someone's house where I definitely it was at the top of, like, it was in L.A., it's like, the top of Hillcrest, the last house on the top of Hillcrest. You guys, I'm driving my Mini Cooper, and I'm going there. And the security is like, okay, you can come in here. You can go here. You know, the ambassador will meet you in here. And I'm like, what is he the ambassador of? And no one would give me his name. And then, like, damn it. Then one day, the sheriff, literal, the sheriff, was just sitting there watching me teach him. And I'm like, I'm sorry, this isn't a viewing show. You can work out too. Like you're just gonna work out because I'm not gonna be watched by the sheriff. And then the mayor, the fucking mayor, shows up. You guys also, they were not exactly the cleanest sheriff or the cleanest mayor. So I'm like, now, like, who is this guy? I'm always getting paid in cash. And then I was like, one day, I was like, leaving. I was like, there's always a car inside this house. It's always watching this house. I'm gonna be questioned. I'm gonna be interrogated. I was like, I can no longer teach in person. I was like, I just thought myself them going, you, you know information, you're gonna be like, microphoned or something. And all I could hear is this man, belp and fart. But, like, you know, anyways. But I think, like, it was never a waste of my time, because it really allowed me to go hold on, like, let me understand that part of the business, so that when you came in to Agency, we could really see, like, what a gold mine and what a great thing you had going, and how you could elevate that.Tami-Adrian George 11:55  I started, like, all Pilates instructors start, right? You have to do the observation hours, and you have to do the practice hours, and then you have to do some apprenticeship. So I feel like I've been in all of the parts except for actual studio owner. I have managed, I have supervised, I've trained other instructors. I've been the employee, I've been the independent contractor, I've been the person who rents studio space. I've been in all of the situations, and it's so funny what you're saying about you know, these people, I have a file, not a digital file, an actual file folder filled with NDAs, of things I have had to sign for, the various people I have worked with over the last 34 years. I always used to think, well, okay, I have to tell somebody where I'm at, because if I disappear, no one will know.Lesley Logan 12:53  Yes, yes, yes. Thank God for location services on the phones now, because now that's a thing, but that wasn't a thing when I was teaching at home. So it's like, okay, you couldn't even, there wasn't even a signal up there, so I couldn't call for help if I wanted to, yeah. Tami-Adrian George 13:11  Totally. Lesley Logan 13:12  Well, okay, so Tami, I mean, Tami-Adrian, we know you as an OPC teacher, and we know you have, like, what's been really cool in watching you the last five years is that you have been really not just solidifying your business, but, like, truly enjoying the business that you've created. I think that that's really unique. A lot of teachers keep thinking that, oh, I've reached this peak. Now I gotta find another goal. I gotta find I gotta find another goal. Can you tell us, like, a little bit about what you do as a day to day gig, and then also, like, how you came to go, wow, I really, like, this is really for me, because I think a lot of people listening, even if they're not a Pilates instructor, can actually learn from like, oh, what maybe are the signs or the the qualities or the feelings that make me go, oh, I'm actually fulfilled. Tami-Adrian George 13:56  Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so my let's start with the day-to-day, and then I want to tell you about like working with you and Brad and how that helped me come into just a completely different feeling about what I was doing. So a typical day to day for me is I will start the morning with my virtual private clients, some of whom are back east, so the timing works out perfectly for me. So once I finish those sessions, then I pack up the lunch bag. It literally looks like I'm going on a picnic. You're with me. You and Brad are with me. You know, I eat every five minutes. I take little, tiny bites. I'm like a tiny bison. I graze all morning long, and I start heading out for the day to which client is on the roster for that day. And we have different things we might be working on. So sometimes I might have my golfers, my pickleball players, who have very particular goals. There are things that we are trying to do. So I have been trained in both classical and contemporary Pilates, because I need to be able to spin on a dime to what someone is telling me at that moment. And I'm very big on what is your ultimate goal? If your ultimate goal is I'm going to my sister's wedding. I want to look great. I'm not the person for you, and I will find you an amazing person who will make that happen for you. I'm the person who when you say, I need to get my handicap down, I need to be able to play a full 18 holes without my back hurting, and I'm going on a golf trip where I'm going to play five days in a row. Oh, now I have a vision. Let's do this. Let's go. Then I make sure I have breaks throughout the day. I'm very particular about where I'm teaching, the distance I'm teaching, because it can't be be bopping all over town all day. And there are times that I book into my day so that I can go for a walk. I teach in really beautiful parts of the Los Angeles Westside beach communities. So there's time to go for a walk, there's time to get my own workout in, there's time to sit down and eat real food, and I'm usually done by a fairly early part of the day. I don't actually work that many hours a week. And then maybe there's a beach walk with my husband or my son's in universities, so there's a phone call or FaceTime with him, and then there's my time where, what's the thing that fills me today? Do I want to do a meditation? It turns out I'm not the morning meditation person. I, it's not my jam at all. Lesley Logan 16:33  To me, the morning is like, okay, the morning has started, and I want to start with it. I am. I find I have it better at the afternoon going, okay, well, I don't actually want to do anything, so I'm gonna procrastinate with meditation.Tami-Adrian George 16:42  Exactly and then two hours have passed. Yes, I have reached all the masters in the universe, but now I don't want to do anything and, and I believe very strongly that your great day starts the night before. So there's always a part of my afternoon and evening where I am prepping for the next day. Either it's the food I'm preparing or it's looking over who's on the schedule for the next day and where are we in progressing them to their goal. So I'm thinking ahead of what exercises I want to do, things like that. And then I also coach, so I have other instructors, and also people who aren't Pilates instructors, massage therapists, you know, anything you have that is a service that helps someone can be mobile. And I might be on a coaching call, speaking with someone about where they're at in their business and helping them get to their call. Lesley Logan 17:38  Yeah. So because can you, since you have done everything but own a studio, I've done similar, I've done all of it but work at a franchise. So like, I, can you talk about, like, how did you decide, or know that, like, going into homes actually is how you wanted to teach, versus, like, having people come to you because we sit on opposite sides. I'm like, you can come to me. You know, but like, you're like, no, I liked, I can go here and I go, is it just the beach walk? Like, what made it so that you really like to go into people's homes?Tami-Adrian George 18:10  So the first studio I ever taught at, Pilates Studio Pasadena, doesn't exist anymore because the parent company went bankrupt. And what we didn't know was it was a, it was like a a compound of fitness. There was a private workout place here, and a this, and a that, and a yoga student, all these things that were in Old Town, Pasadena, right where the Rose Bowl comes down the street, not the Rose Bowl, the Rose Parade comes down the street. What we didn't know was that the Pilates Studio was who was making money, and we were covering the payroll for all of the other workout facilities, and sometimes our checks would bounce. And one day, we found out doors are closed, we are done, but we all had keys, so I know that the statute of limitations have passed until we find talking about it. So who got together? We unlocked the studio at night, we unloaded all of the Pilates equipment, put it on the trucks and drove it to someone who had just bought a home they didn't have any furniture yet. And we put it like, okay, the dining room has all the Wunda Chairs, and the living room is going to have the Cadi and a couple of Reformers, and the back patio put this, and there was literally something like a click, oh, I'm in a house. I'm in a house doing Pilates. Now I'm doing it with five other instructors, and we worked for free, because right before that company went out of business, we were selling packages.Lesley Logan 19:46  Right. So all these people had paid. Tami-Adrian George 19:47  We'd had a big drive and all these people had just bought packages, and then the door shut, and we didn't know that that big drive was their way of getting cash to cover the businesses. They knew they were gonna go bankrupt. They just didn't tell us. So then I had to work for free to train out all of those packages that I had personally sold, because now my reputation was on the line. And as we got into studios and got the people would always say, can you come? Could you come to my house? Could you do this at my house? Could you do this? And it started with one person, and then another and another. And I realized there is a connection that you get to make in that private in-home setting, people will tell me things that they will never tell me in the studio, because there are other people in the studio, or if I was teaching a large group class, even a small, let's say, a foursome or a trio, there's no time to talk. We are here because the entire group is trying to move. So I didn't always get to understand their history, their surgeries, their injuries, whatever it was they were working towards, and also, too, their blocks. We all have blocks of what we think we cannot do. We all have limitations we're holding onto, and sometimes you just need that one on one, eyes on you to say, great, where you are you're doing fantastic. Please. Let's not measure you against the 19-year-old on the mat next to you. Let's measure you against you.Lesley Logan 21:22  Yes, oh, I do love that. I mean, I agree. Like people are a little more comfortable in their homes. You can also then and actually see like their setups. And you go, okay, so you said it was the Pilates last week that hurt your back. But do you see like this slope that you, you know, or like, can I look at this chair that you're sitting on at your desk? Like, that's not helpful, you know what I mean. So you do get more insight, but also they do have a bit more focus, because they're not distracted by the person and the other performer who's talking too loudly or who's doing crazy things, and they think they should be doing crazy things. It is more it's more personalized in that way as well. I love that. That's so cool. What a funny way of getting into like, knowing, like, oh, I could teach at a house. And then, because you had kept up with those sessions, that they're like, oh, can you teach me at my home? Because now they're seeing, Oh, I'm in a home. I could do this at my home. Tami-Adrian George 22:12  Yeah, they're like, wait, you can fit a Reformer here/ Yes, absolutely. You can fit a Reformer here. And you know what? You don't even need the reformer. Honestly, everything we're doing on the Reformer, I'm telling you, if I put you on the mat, you're going to shake like a leaf in the wind. You do not know how hard it is once we got to that point, too, of sharing that. And here's the other thing I find that is really interesting. Yes, the personalized attention. There is nothing like it. But the biggest problem I solve for my clients is time and convenience, there are certain people I tend to have CEOs, chairman of the boards and their families. For them to spend an hour in traffic trying to get to a studio, then circle around looking for parking, then finally do their workout and have to repeat the drive back home. It's hours of their time that they just do not have available. Lesley Logan 23:07  Well, they're not, then they can't be consistent, because then they're only can do it on a good week and and then they're frustrated because they yeah, all of those things. So like people, like them, they they're gonna have to pay for that time and convenient miss of you coming to their home, but now they can be consistent.Tami-Adrian George 23:22  Exactly. And, really, that's the secret, isn't it? That's the secret sauce. If you want to get results in what you're doing, it's the consistency.Lesley Logan 23:30  Yeah, yeah. I, you know, it made me think, like, as you were talking, when I, I always thought you had to have a big studio. Probably, it's very similar to you, like you work about I have the first show I ever worked at was a big studio. The first time I went to a Pilates studio with equipment, had multiple Reformers and all the things. And so I just thought, Oh, you have to have all of that, and all the in L.A., all the famous teachers were famous studios all had multiple of everything. And I'm like, I'll never own a studio because I have student loans. I have all this. I need all these things. And it was when I had put myself in a group of people, the community that I saw, one of my friends had made a private space for herself where there was just one of everything. I was like, oh, I could have, I could have a private studio. I could have, like, just, I could just teach the private because I only teach privates in a couple semi-private so, like, I could just do this. So I think it's really important for anyone, no matter who you are, listening like, it's important that we are inspired by other people sometimes, because we get blinders on of like, this is my experience. This is the only way that works. This is a way I've seen that work. So I have to do it this way. And when we're exposed to other environments or other ways of people doing it, then we can go, oh, I'm not gonna do it just like her, but I could do it like this, or I could do it like that, right? Like we, we kind of need that. We need that in the community that we're in.Tami-Adrian George 24:48  Exactly. I love what you're saying. It's making me think of the the other thing I wanted to mention when I started working with you and Brad, I didn't realize that what I was doing had a system. It was just what I was doing, because nobody else was really doing it in this manner, and to then have support of someone saying, no, what you're doing is actually a thing.Tami-Adrian George 25:11  Yeah. It's a thing that you're doing. Tami-Adrian George 25:14  You're doing a thing, and there seems to be a way that you're doing the thing, and we're going to help you do the thing better, and we're going to teach you how to structure it so that it's repeatable, and that you can take pressure off of yourself and that you can have support, and that we're here when you need us. And you know, there was a guy who used to always say, you're trying to have the panoramic view, but you're at the foothill of the mountain, so you have to climb a little and then you'll see a little more. And then you enjoy the view. You celebrate the view, do a little dance, and now climb higher. And each time that you climb and hold at that level for just a moment, just to enjoy it. You see more you see more possibilities. And eventually you start having a wider view, and you start seeing, oh my gosh, I can do this with that. During the pandemic, talking about that time, one of my favorite, favorite people to work with, had a stroke. So, I can't get to him. We've rehabbed him virtually because, oh, this online thing really works. And it was a little bit of convincing me and convincing him, but, guess what? He was back out there playing golf, doing all the things, no problem. You know, the deficits were seriously down. Yeah. And I needed that view. I needed that lift to view, lift to view, repeat.Lesley Logan 26:55  Well, and what I'm hearing you're saying is, like, we all need someone to go, oh, you're doing a really great job here. And if we do this now you've got a system, and now it's repeatable, and you're not wasting your time, or you also even need to see like from other people's perspective. Oh, what they're doing. Oh, I love that for them. And then that also helps you solidify like you like what you're doing. Like, we all need it wherever we are, because we can get so closed off, and then we, running a business is hard. The business is hard. I've said this a few times now, like, and I will keep repeating it because it it really blessed my heart, like when someone in our Agency asked the Pocket Lesley, which is like a bot of me train 10 million of my words, you know, 10 years of coaching.Tami-Adrian George 27:36  I love Pocket Lesley, because she's my size.Lesley Logan 27:40  She's, she's like, have you ever had an obstacle in your business? And it's like, yeah, daily.Tami-Adrian George 27:46  Like, you mean this last hour? Lesley Logan 27:47  Yeah, daily. And so when you have someone to go, oh my God, what you're doing here is really amazing. It helps you go, oh, okay, it is, it is amazing. I just am having a hard time right now. I'm, I'm at the foothills, and I can't get to the panoramic view, where other people are right now, and so, you know, we at agency are so excited, because we have helped thousands of businesses in this industry run things the way that they want to. And one of the things we've celebrated along the way is like, each year that we've known you, we've watched you run your business so it supports you and your family. And I think that's what's so cool, because it's not just because you go into people's homes that your business supports your families, because you are intentional about what your goals are and how your business need to support that, and then we could support you in doing that, and year after year. And now here you are, only in five years you put systems together, you have a very thriving business, and like you mentioned, now you get to coach other service people, to have a business that does it the way that you do it. Tami-Adrian George 28:45  Absolutely. Lesley Logan 28:46  That hat, like, you know, can we talk about the be it till you see it for that like, what would, what were the what was there was there mental hurdles you had to do? Was it just like, because, because I was so excited, when you're like, I'm doing this. I'm like, yeah, you should. Tami-Adrian George 29:01  The hurdles were, oh my God, the hurdles were real. Remember, you should do the videos, The Struggle is Real? Oh, the hurdles are real. It's, it's, you were talking about being in the tunnel. We're working so hard towards something that we believe is the only thing. And I don't, actually, I don't think I have anyone right now who is exclusively mobile teaching. They are either business owners, they own a gym, they own a studio, they are also teaching like community classes, say, at the Y or at a gym someplace, or they're renting studio space, and now they're adding mobile training as an extension, as another service, I mean, and that's the thing, I think, for people to understand, you're providing a service. You're not just teaching a class. You are a service provider. So you can provide as many services as your heart dreams up. Let's make that happen for you. And there's a gentleman that I'm working with right now, and he had become almost exclusively online in big, big, big classes, and he hadn't had the one-on-one connection with his students in a long time, because everything was far away. And when I say online, not live, I mean, pre-recorded classes. And he was so burnt, so burnt out. I don't like this. I don't want to record any more classes. I don't want to walk into a room of 30 people anymore. And I said, you know, you're the reason it's not in your heart is because your heart is not reaching anyone. So we took starting one day, one day of your schedule. We're gonna make this your mobile training day. This is your I'm out in the field, and we're gonna start letting people know. Just pick amongst your favorites. We're gonna start letting people know you're available. He's now having to hire another trainer because he has this established brand. But now people are like, oh, you can come to me, too? And you have a kind of a signature thing that you do, and you can do it in my home with me? Let's do this. So it's how you would like your business to be. It's not give up your studio, give up your gym. Never book massages at the hotels ever again. It's how can we incorporate this into what you're doing so that you can expand. You also get to charge more, just saying.Lesley Logan 31:31  I was gonna ask you, the number, the number one thing that we see people do wrong when they go into people's homes is discount the price. Yeah, you are, yeah. And if you're, like, how do I know what to charge? Well, guess we'll have, stay tuned. We have, we have help for you there. But like, yeah, you it's convenient for them. It is not necessarily convenient for you, for so many reasons, because booking back-to-back doesn't exist. Like in my studio, in my home, like, people can come every hour on the hour, and I can fit four people in four hours and be done, right? You do not fit four people in four hours, you know? So that is so when you are working with people in their home, you have to charge. There is a higher cost to that, because they are paying for convenience, just like when I order food to be delivered, it is more expensive than when I order it at the restaurant.Tami-Adrian George 32:23  It's a premium it's a premium service and you are bringing your knowledge to someone. So yes, now the premium is even higher because you actually know what you're doing. Of course, anybody can take, my gosh, I call them the Pinterest workout plan.Lesley Logan 32:42  Oh, okay, I call them Instagram workout plans. But yes, anyone can do that. Tami-Adrian George 32:46  They start culling and culling exercises from all these different places, and they put them together, and then they wonder why they're not getting the results, or now they've injured themselves, or they're burnt out and they don't want to do it. And there's a reason for that. People, it's like New Year's resolutions, any promise you make to yourself that is a promise broken. Lesley Logan 33:07  Yeah, because you need the accountability of someone else, and you also need their guidance. You know, we all need it. I mean, I say I pay a Pilates instructor to teach me. I can teach myself, and I do multiple days a week, and two days a week, I'm held accountable to a full hour with someone watching me to give me feedback, because left to my own devices. I'm going to check my oh, I'm going to change this podcast. Oh, look at that full hour outside. We all need it, right? We all need it. We all we're laughing because we all need it. Even coaches like you and I have coaches for things that we do, because we all kind of need this. And there is an investment there. And yes, it does mean, like, some things can be inaccessible to people, but also for every single one of you listening, no matter what your business is, you're not you cannot solve the world's problems. You can solve a problem for someone that feels like it's their whole world. You can do that, but you gotta, like, really dial it in. And I think, like, what you do so well, Tami, is there is a slice of of the pie that of people who would prefer to be convenient for them so they can be consistent and and you can, if you're a teacher, a massage therapist, whatever, you could be the person who does that. That's your expertise. So Tami, we're super, super excited. We're gonna let the cat out of the bag a little bit of what we're doing here. So, so we, at Profitable Pilates, truly love being able to help teachers of any background, true like run a business that works for them. Like we do not do templates. We have a formula. I should say we have two. We have a scheduling formula, and we have a pricing formula, but all of those require your goals to go into the top for it to filter through, so there is not a single and even if the price answer is the same as someone else's, like, what went through and all the different ways you get there is very, very different. So we're super excited, because you do what you do so well, and the world is missing an expert like you. So tell everyone what we what we've got going on, we've got planned. Tami-Adrian George 34:58  So, I have a method called the have skills will travel method, yes, because really, that's what you need to be a mobile instructor, the skill set you already have and some gas in your car. Let's go. In between those two things are a whole list of things you need to know and need to be doing to make sure that it is indeed profitable and that you are safe, and that you are happy and your client is happy. So I'm taking my one-on-one three-month coaching program, and we are creating a special group coaching program that is just for Profitable Pilates, just for, well, we'll have Agency members there too, and it will live in the Profitable Pilates universe, so excited, and we're going to do this as an eight-week program.Lesley Logan 35:57  Oh, I love this, because it's any we all have eight weeks we can dedicate to doing a dream. We all have it because every dream takes a long time. Anyways, eight weeks is like a fraction. Tami-Adrian George 36:04  And it doesn't matter where you're starting from, wherever you are in your business and thinking about doing this, or you're already doing this. It works where you're at, jump in, where you're at.Lesley Logan 36:18  Yeah, and I just want to say, like, if you're like, you're like, oh my gosh, you guys, I can just make sure I charge more, and I can just go, yes, you could. And then you get to learn a lot of weird things the hard way. I'm sure Tami was like, oh my God, Lesley, you went into some random house on the top of Hillcrest. My heart. Tami-Adrian George 36:34  As soon as you were telling me that. And I was like, oh my God, Did you have a safety buddy?Lesley Logan 36:41  People knew where I was going. And I did tell the ambassador's team. Okay, my people know where I'm going. I mean, to hear, however I will say, like I did listen to, like, murder in the Hollywood Hills, the dateline, and I was like, oh my God, that is like, I can't believe that doesn't happen more often, because, like, so many women are offered, oh, there's a modeling gig and at the top of this house, because everything happens and people so anyways, there are so many different things, not just safety, but also not just pricing, that you have to be thinking about and when it comes to doing this. So that one, it still works for you. And two, everyone wins. The clients win, but your business wins because you are allowed to be successful in your business and achieve wins for other people. So if you are someone in the service based business, or a Pilates instructor who's interested in seeing how this service can be added to your business, you might even decide you don't want to do it afterwards. And that's fine too, because now you solve that without having to sell a package and then go fulfill it. So, so you can go to Profitable Pilates website. We have P it's prfit.biz/events and you can get on the wait list for this. But we're going to take a brief break and then find out Tami-Adrian's Be It Action Items. And also, where else you can, just like, kind of stalk her in a good way. Tami-Adrian George 37:50  Absolutely. Lesley Logan 37:50  All right, Tami-Adrian, where do you hang out? Because you also do give out great advice, you know, for free on things that you hang out on.Tami-Adrian George 38:04  I hang out on Instagram. That is my jam. I am @Tami.Pilates.rehab and it's T-A-M-I and then you can also find me at T.A.G., my name, Tami-Adrian George, tagpilates.com head over to the website, links, move around, dance around in there and sign up on the waitlist. We're so excited to have this group together so that we can be learning and growing together.Lesley Logan 38:33  Yeah, I mean, it's going to be so, so amazing. And I just want to say, just like you could, if you need to, because I've been in a place where I've had to call free advice together, absolutely you can, but at some point, if all you've ever done is call, just pull it together and bounce around from free advice to free advice. I would say that investing in something like it's an eight-week program is so it's a risk-free type of environment, because it's you're not committing for longer than that. You know, at Agency, we do make people commit for six months, and the reason is, it's like, it does take time. But for this particular topic, you can, eight weeks, get your systems in place and really understand, like, is this the thing I want to do, and how do I do it right. So from the beginning, you don't have, like, oh, I'm undercharging that person. So now I've got to go back and tell them a new rate, even though I've been, you know, like we want to, we want to make sure it's, it's it's beneficial for everyone. So get on the waitlist, either on Tami's website or on prfit.biz/events. We'll get that taken care of. Tami, you are so wonderful. I mean, I'm so Brad and I just adore getting to spend time with you. We always learn new things. Your life is its own adventure. So I really hope, like, at some point you'll be a child author, which is like, The Adventures of Tami. You know what I mean? Like, I just feel like there's so many different things you could do, but can you give everyone some Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps they can take to be it till they see it. Tami-Adrian George 39:50  Okay, this is one of my favorite things. And before I say, have to say, I love you and Brad so much. It has been the best adventure I have been on with the two of you, and I'm so glad. I'm so glad we're still having more adventures together. It's just fantastic. Okay, everyone has their phone and you set alarms on your phone for things that you don't particularly want to do. I set alarms on my phone randomly throughout the day that pump me back up. So where it says label, instead of putting wake up, walk dog, things like that. I put, how are you so amazing? I put, congratulations. You are crushing it. How are you doing this? That's what's on my alarm system. Oh, my God. I'm obsessed.Lesley Logan 40:37  I'm changing all I'm gonna have alarms just for no reason whatsoever. I don't even like being disturbed, but I'm gonna be it myself disturbed.Tami-Adrian George 40:44  Now, if I have to set an alarm because I have to wake up early I'm catching a flight, something like that, I will say, woo-hoo you're traveling today. Let's go. That's what it says while the alarm is going off. So when it goes off on your phone, instead of, oh my God, I have to be up and get on the flight. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm traveling. Let's go. Oh myLesley Logan 41:05  god, this is going to change my whole life, because I often wake up going, I don't know where I am and what day today is, but if my alarm didn't say wake up, it would say I could have it say something else, you know, like. Tami-Adrian George 41:14  You are in Singapore, aren't you lucky?Lesley Logan 41:20  Go get that coffee, babe. Go get it. I, this is a wonderful, wonderful because, you know, there's so many different things you want to remind themselves up. And if you're unable to have Post-Its all over your house, it could be alarms. What a cool way to do it.Tami-Adrian George 41:35  Because the reminders, if I set a reminder on my phone, I don't do it. Yeah, I don't. No.Lesley Logan 41:41  No, it's in my work or it doesn't get done. I don't need an alarm going. It's time to do this. Be like, ignore. Yeah, oh, I love, Tami, I love that. That's so everyone can do that right now. Okay, we ought screenshots of the alarm going off. We want them to send it to tami.pilates.rehab. We want you to send it to the Be It Pod. We want you to share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe, if you are not a Pilates instructor who wants to go in-home, but you know someone who does, they need to hear this. Because, here is the deal, when your friends complain about how their life sucks, you have to listen. And you know those people, they repeat it. And what if? What if you could, you could change that. So then you guys could talk about what's exciting. Tami-Adrian George 41:42  I'll listen for you. Yeah, I'll listen to the complaints for you. Lesley Logan 42:03  Tami will listen. That's why we have people who are, like, in Agency, they're like, oh, my friends are with this. I'm like, why are you helping them? Not that I don't want you to be a generous person, but you invested in this. So you can focus on you. If they are unwilling to invest in themselves, in their business, you can be a great friend. You can be a great friend. And so, oh, it sounds like you've been working on that for a long time. Have you thought about getting help? Like, that's still helpful, that's still listening, but y'all, we have all been trained that, oh, we're not a good friend if we don't just like, do every like, give all the advice, no, you have to at sometimes, focus on you and be like, I'm here for you. And here are some resources that have helped me. Tami-Adrian George 42:59  I think you're being a better friend by saying, okay, you have to take action. I want you to take a step that is truly for you. I'm investing in me, and, God, I want to see you invest in you. Let's do that.Lesley Logan 43:11  Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love that. Obviously we could talk forever, because we do. We have so much fun. So, Tami-Adrian George, OPC teacher, incredible coach for in-service home, have skills, well-travel people and top, best of the game when it comes to helping people reach their goals and all that you do with your teaching. So thank you for being here. Everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tell us and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 43:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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This FYF delivers a dose of inspiration with Javeno McLean's new book, You Are Not Your Limits. Lesley shares wins from the community—celebrating self-love, new clients, and honoring loved ones. Plus, she reveals how hiring a trainer helped her prepare for her 8th tour with more energy and focus. Tune in to be reminded why investing in yourself is the ultimate win.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi Be It babe, hello from tour, my eighth tour. Oh my God, hello. We're on the road. We've done a couple stops, and I'm just so excited to be coming to your ears. Obviously, I recorded this before I left, but I am super excited to share what my win is. And it's not just being on tour, I promise you, there's some actual applicable things that you can use. But first, on these FYF episodes, we do something inspirational that you might have missed on the internet. We just need to hear about and celebrate. We do a win of yours. We do a win of mine, and then an affirmation. Lesley Logan 1:14  So first up, we've had Javeno McLean on the podcast before. So this post came up, and I was like, oh my God. What has he done? You guys, he has written a book. So his book officially released on the 15th of May. At the time that I was reading this, I could not pre-order on the U.S., but they are, they told me that they're working on it. We are going to have him back on the pod. But his book is called, You Are Not Your Limits. You Are Not Your Limits. So Javeno McLean, that is the inspiration. Because, first of all, if you're not following him, you will see some great inspirations. I promise you, I promise you. What he is doing to show people that they are not their limits, just makes me cry happy tears. And so you'll be inspired all of the, you'll be inspired all of the time with him. I promise you, I promise you. So his book is out. By the time you hear this, you should be able to go get it, hopefully in the States as well. I'm sure they're making that work. He's got an amazing team on his side. Lesley Logan 2:05  All right, now, the wins of yours. Okay, so wins of yours. Let me pull these up, because these are wins you guys sent me on Instagram. So here we go, @jennvfitness, we made our last payment on our Ford Focus today. Way to, I mean, I remember when I made my last in my student loans, I was like, oh my God, I just did that. Longest I've ever had to commit to something. Ryan-Mae, my share is about leading with love, had amazing engagement interaction. Yes, let's all lead with love, Ryan-Mae. You guys, let Ryan-Mae has also been on the Be It Pod, so check her out. Ryan-Mae, McAvoy, @hli_pilates, got a new client for my auction donation. Way to go. And @lorilwatson77 I decided to post my final honor to my best friend Ivy, keeping her in my heart forever. That's good. That's so good. You know, that is so, so good. I think, like so hard to like, see grief as a win, but like when we do things that allow us to have a special place for them and then honor them with others, like that is a win. So thank you, Lori, for sharing that with us. Thank you so much. Lesley Logan 3:08  All right, you guys a win of mine. By the way, you can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions I know that doesn't make sense, because it's a win, not a question, but on the form, you can either put a question, or you put a win, or you could do both, and then we can celebrate you and send them on here. So, beitpod.com/questions. All right, my win. Okay, so the tour is off. It's doing great. Of course, we love it. We're on the eighth one, but the win is actually in that every time we do the tour, I find ways to make it even better, not just for the people who are attending, but for me to be the best version of me, so that I can make sure everyone has a good time. Like, I think this is really important. Like, I would say self-care isn't selfish care, but like, actually truly, like, you taking care of yourself means that you can be the best version of yourself for others, and so then they have a better experience in their day, right? So I like to make sure that I'm sleeping well, and I'm eating, fueling myself well, and then I my stomach doesn't hurt, and, like, my hormones are great, like all these different things. And so now that we've had seven tours, each tour gets better, and I'm able to go, oh, I like this. I don't like this. Oh, I like this. I don't like this. Well, it's not just about reflecting. We know that is a win, which we've done in the past. It's the implementation. So truly implementing what it is that I need. And so what I did is I hired a trainer so that my workouts at the gym can be efficient and support my needs. And so that's my win. And so I want to celebrate that with you, because I'm hoping you see that if you like, sign up for OPC, or you hire a trainer, you go to a studio, you have a gym membership like that is huge. An investment that you're doing is an actual win. It's not just a checklist on a to do list. Like, okay, did that? No, you invested in you. Things are gonna make you feel good. So I worked with my trainer for several months before I left, so we could really get to know each other, and then that way she can create workouts for me that don't take a long time, that helped me stay with my goals, stay strong. Have energy. I have more energy on the days I work out than the days I don't. And so that's what I did. That's my win. I invested in that for me so that I can be the best version of myself. So have the most fun on this tour, so that you can have a good time on it too. So there it is. Lesley Logan 5:12  All right, now an affirmation. Make mistakes. Make mistakes. I, of course, make mistakes. I'm not so good at celebrating that. That's something I work on daily. So I celebrate those mistakes, and I try really, really hard not to be hard on myself. But maybe we can all take it as like I gotta make more mistakes. Because you wanna know something, mistakes are how people like, some of the best things in science came from a fricking mistake. I can't name off the top of my head, but I feel like mold is one of those things. So I just want to say, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes your mistakes actually turn into some really incredible things, and you are a truly amazing person. So send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. 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Feeling worthy isn't about waiting for permission—it's about owning your story and making bold decisions. In this recap, Lesley and Brad revisit conversation with fine jewelry designer Margot McNaull, whose bespoke creations empower women to celebrate their milestones. Together, they explore redefining self-care, building unshakable confidence, and shifting your mindset to break free from old patterns. This episode will inspire you to create a life that feels as good as it looks.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Must-know tips for underwear and shake plate use in Pilates.The reason why women often struggle to buy fine jewelry for themselves.The connection between self-worth, spending guilt, and asking for what you deserve.How to navigate life's “dark valleys” and see failure as a cue to keep going.Why revamping old jewelries can be a powerful reminder of your worth.Episode References/Links:Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniOPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourOPC Summer Tour Calgary - Opc.me/CalgaryUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comEBY Seamless Underwear - https://shop.join-eby.com/collections/seamless-panties Shake Plate Recommendation - https://a.co/d/2WPk3eeSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsStór by Margot Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/storbymargotStór by Margot Website - https://www.storbymargot.com Margot McNaull's Website - https://www.margotmcnaull.comEp. 319 Nikole Mitchell - https://beitpod.com/nikolemitchellEp. 171 Johanna White - https://beitpod.com/johannawhite If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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Is like, what can you do? Do you need to sit down and write down all the things that you know throughout realize you're worthy of asking for that pay raise? What is it going to take? But you can't ask other people for why you're worthy. You have to sit down and do some digging on yourself. Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the worthwhile convo I had with Margot McNaull in our last episode. I mean, also like glitter, like sparkle, like legacy, worthiness, worthwhile in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now and listen to that one, then come back and listen this one, or listen to this one as a cliff notes, and then see if you like what we like, and listen to that one. You're gonna want to listen to it that's pretty cool. Okay, today. Brad Crowell 1:22  Actually, it's quite interesting. Lesley Logan 1:24  Oh yeah, it's a fun it was a fun episode. Who would have thought that we would have that episode but we did. Now, people like, what is the episode? Anyways. So today is, so today is July 24th 2025 and it's International Self-Care Day.Brad Crowell 1:44  Kind of poignant topic. Lesley Logan 1:45  Yeah, it really is. This is something I literally every single morning when I go on a walk. I shouldn't say every single morning, because, like with this sinus infection, if you haven't heard it yet, it'll pick up on it a little bit. I just don't think I look amazing in the morning, nor do I sound great. So I haven't been like all my you need to go on a walk. But if there's something I preach about every single day, it is self-care. So this is your day. This is your holiday. Brad Crowell 2:09  To buy yourself a ring. What? Lesley Logan 2:11  Yeah, what? Brad Crowell 2:11  What? Oh, I mean, it's your day to self-care.Lesley Logan 2:14  Self-Care, International Self-Care Day is celebrated on July 24th and I would actually call a getting yourself a ring, just like a reward and or something worth doing. But self-care is actually free usually. It stresses the importance of self-care as a cornerstone of wellness. On this day, individuals throughout the world are encouraged to make self-care as part of their day everyday routines entered into a priority is a milestone and an opportunity to raise further awareness of the benefits and effectiveness of self management of health. That's what self-care is, self-management of health. I love that. That is so great as opposed to like self-care isn't selfish care. Self-care, it's literally self-management of your fucking health. Oh, my God, my mind is blown. Self-care has always been incredibly important, but especially now, as people realize they need to take care of themselves and put themselves first. This has made people talk about and it increased the interest of others to take control of their health and wellness by prioritizing themselves. Today, we urge you to practice self-care, even if all you do is take a walk. Self-care, the reason I say it's mostly free because most of the things you can do for self-care is prioritize your sleep, your water intake, how you fuel yourself, that you that drunk food? Are you giving yourself food that makes you feel really awesome, giving yourself food that makes you feel like shit, right, every time? And I'm not saying food is good or bad, like when we have the Anthony episode, like we talked about that, but like, there are foods that aren't serving you, whether or not they're considered healthy or unhealthy, I don't care, whether they're not serving you. So are you fueling yourself, right? Are you surrounding yourself with people who make you feel better about yourself? That's self-care, right? Like, literally say no to a friend, an Eeyore friend, just throwback from last week, like or not, that's self-care, right? So maybe you have to put your phone on Do Not Disturb that's self-care. You know, so tons of things that are self-care, that are free. Spa days, not self-care. That is just something you get to do because it feels good and you deserve it. But it, to me.Brad Crowell 2:14  I like that distinction, because I think most of I mean for me too, I've thought about like, oh, self-care, I gotta go do something for myself, which means spending money. And it doesn't necessarily have to be that way. Lesley Logan 4:13  No, going for a walk around the block is self-care. Brad Crowell 4:21  Or, you know when, when you're feeling that afternoon slump, go do a handstand for four seconds at the wall and get some blood flow to your head. Yeah, that's self-care. You know, getting some vitamin D by sitting in the sun in the morning, that's self-care. Yeah. So doesn't have to involve spending money. All right. Well, here's what we got coming up. Agency Mini from Profitable Pilates just closed in the last couple of days. What an amazing event. I'm not gonna lie. Lesley Logan 4:46  It's a really great people. Brad Crowell 4:48  Well, I like that we changed it and it was shorter.Lesley Logan 4:51  Yeah. I mean, I think for everyone, because the biggest problem we have with and this is, like, why you know at the Be It Till You See It podcast, we talk about, like, you get better every time you do something. And so Agency Mini. Brad Crowell 5:03  It's our 11th time doing it, 11th. Lesley Logan 5:05  Yeah. It evolved. Every single time it evolved. And then the last three or four times, we're like, we have it dialed in. We have it nailed down. Everything is good. But the one piece of feedback that we used to get that we could never solve was like, the overwhelm. And we'd always tell people, don't take in everything, like, just take in what you need. But the problem is, is people have FOMO and we are perfectionist and, like. Brad Crowell 5:26  Don't worry. Agency isn't like Agency Mini. Agency Mini was chaos and, like, a whirlwind, and Agency actually, you know? But like, we still have to say that. So we were like, this is, there's, it's not aligned.Lesley Logan 5:36  Yeah, it's not aligned. So because of our new tools, we have in Agency, because of our new app, all these different things. Yeah, we have an app. It made it easier for us to make Agency Mini a mini version of Agency, without the overwhelm. And it was super fun to help people and now we have a bunch of Agency members, and it's just super great. So I'm excited for you guys. Can't wait to work with you guys, and we literally leave tomorrow. Brad Crowell 5:57  We're going on tour y'all. Lesley Logan 5:59  Are we leaving today? No, we leave now. Yeah, we're leaving today. Brad Crowell 6:03  Oh yeah, we're leaving tonight. You're totally right. I'd have 25th as the first class but, but we actually drive out tonight. Lesley Logan 6:11  Clearly, we recorded this early. We're on the road. Brad Crowell 6:14  We're on the road. No, no, we're not on the road just yet, because this drops in the morning, we'll be leaving tonight.Lesley Logan 6:14  They could be listening to it at night. So if you're listening tonight, we're on the road. So anyway, opc.me/tours, where you can get tickets because it's not too late, some cities are too late, but it's not too late to sign up. You can, as long as there's room you can sign up. And also, the Calgary stop is a virtual stop so.Brad Crowell 6:36  There are two virtual workshops in Calgary go to opc.me/calgary for that.Lesley Logan 6:40  Yeah, but opc.me/tours such tours, all 15 cities. It's really going quite amazing. We have three cities in Canada. Of course, Vancouver is way sold out. At the time recording this, Kamloops only has space in the workshop and not a lot. And Calgary has room in all of its goodness. I'm including the virtual spots. We did limit how many people could be at the virtual as well. So just because it's virtual doesn't mean everyone can attend. We we kept it quiet, kept it small, so you have a great experience. So go to opc.me/tour. Want to see you. And then we come home, unpack and change out the suitcases because now, and clean out the van. Brad Crowell 7:14  Because we're home for like, a week and a half. Lesley Logan 7:16  Week and a half, and then we go to the U.K. yeah, we're going to the U.K. Brad Crowell 7:22  Yeah we're gonna go to Scotland. Lesley Logan 7:26  We're gonna leave my dad in Scotland. We're gonna head down into the into Britain, and we're going to teach in Essex and Leeds in England, I guess. Brad Crowell 7:29  I mean I guess we'll call it Britain but I think Great Britain is all of it, and England is.Lesley Logan 7:34  You know, it's really quite complicated. It's really annoying. Let's say England is correct. You're absolutely right. I got little stuck. I was watching the Hamilton King George Sing a Song, and I think I just got stuck. You know, I love. It's one of the best songs. It's too bad it's about him. Yes, you'll be back. So anyways, so anyways, we'll go down into England. Excuse me, somehow I'm supposed to drive on the opposite side of the road that I'm used to, and we'll see how that goes. Brad Crowell 7:59  You're gonna do great, babe. Lesley Logan 8:06  Do great. No one. No turns, please. So we're gonna go to Essex. We have a Tuesday and a Wednesday workshop and workout situation going on. So go by day passes or two-day pass, you'll save money if it's two-day pass, and then we're gonna go up to Leeds. That's our second time in Leeds. We only have a couple spots left there. And then we're gonna hit back up to Scotland, grab my dad for his like, I don't know, adventures he's going on himself, and fly home.Brad Crowell 8:35  There's a coffee shop in Leeds that I'm very excited.Lesley Logan 8:38  Oh, the guy who makes a seven minute long latte. Brad Crowell 8:38  Yes, the guy. Lesley Logan 8:41  Yeah, the guy. Brad Crowell 8:42  I really hope he's still there. Lesley Logan 8:44  I think he is. According to Claire, he still is. Brad Crowell 8:47  Okay, good. Well, I'm very excited, because that's gonna be awesome. Lesley Logan 8:50  It is. Okay, you guys. Is one of the best lattes. It is the smallest cup I have ever seen. Have espresso and milk in it, and it.Brad Crowell 8:50  It's just like scientific coffee. Lesley Logan 8:58  It took them so long. I was like, I need a cup of coffee. Brad Crowell 9:00  He made one, tasted it and dumped it and started over for me. I was like, what was wrong with that one? He's like, it was, it didn't it didn't settle. It wasn't the right flavor. It was burnt, so whatever the heck it was he was like, no, I'm not serving you this.Lesley Logan 9:14  We're not even doing a great job, because we don't even know the name of the place. But you know what? If you come to Leeds, Brad will take you. Brad Crowell 9:22  I'll take you. Lesley Logan 9:22  Okay, so opc.me/uk, to snag your spots there. Then we come home. Our besties are visiting us from Florida. Yeah, we're gonna unpack the cold weather clothes we took and put hot weather clothes back in a suitcase and be in Cambodia. Oh, my God, I can't wait for the humidity to be on this skin after all of the Summer Tour and and U.K. like, no offense, but like, I I live for humidity. Like I am. Everyone's like, I love a dry heat. You have no idea what you're talking about. Humid heat is way better for your skin, for the youthfulness, for your hair. Everything is better. So crowsnestretreats.com if you would like to have humidity on your skin and spend time with us in an epic place, see the temples, come to our house, do Pilates. Brad Crowell 10:06  Take a break from all the chaos. Lesley Logan 10:07  Figure out your self-care routine. I will help you with that. I will help you bring out your dream schedule. Anyways, before we get into the amazing episode with Margot, we have an audience question. Brad Crowell 10:18  We sure do, two questions, actually, from Caroline on IG, thank you, Caroline for asking. Number one is, hi, can you recommend a great pair of undies for Pilates or leggings? I read this before and forgot. I always notice a print when I get off my reformer. Lesley Logan 10:37  Yeah. Brad Crowell 10:37  Okay. Lesley Logan 10:38  Yeah. Brad Crowell 10:38  I can't, Caroline but, I know someone who can. Lesley Logan 10:42  Okay, we, remember when we got this question on YouTube. We're like, do we go live about this? I'm like, oh my God, what weirdos are gonna show up for the live? It's like, my favorite underwear for Pilates. So here's the thing. I like, EBY they're they have a type of of of underwear that is (inaudible). We have, right? We have a video.Brad Crowell 11:07  I didn't know how to find it, so I just went to YouTube and I searched Lesley Logan underwear, and the video comes up.Lesley Logan 11:13  Perfect, perfect, perfect. I wish they had millions of views. It probably doesn't, but anyways, so I like those because they're nice and thin under my leggings, so they don't leave a mark. Like when I'm walking around, you can't see my underwear, which is like a big deal to me. I don't know why we are obsessed with this, but I'm obsessed with people not seeing the outline of my underwear, probably from purity culture life. I have no idea. Anyways, the other reason I like it is if, ladies, you don't know this, but if your underwear covers your butt and then you put leggings on it, that is why you're losing your pants on stomach massage. So I like that also, you know the reason, another reason I like EBY is because I'm I am a sweater, and I don't really like when your like underwear doesn't keep you dry from and so otherwise, like your pants are wet, where your underwear is. I like my underwear keep me dry as much as possible, so that I have like, sweat, like on my thighs, but not in my crotch. So anyways, that's my favorite for that. Otherwise. Brad Crowell 12:12  What did you say it is? Lesley Logan 12:14  Think they're called EBY. Brad Crowell 12:15  And they're from. Lesley Logan 12:17  EBY underwear. Brad Crowell 12:18  Oh, that's the company. Lesley Logan 12:19  Yeah, yeah, it's EBY women seamless yeah, that's the one I like. Brad Crowell 12:24  All right, we're gonna put a link in the show notes for that.Lesley Logan 12:27  Yeah, yeah. So anyway, oh, they're having a sale. I should get some more. Brad Crowell 12:30  Thanks, Caroline. Lesley Logan 12:31  Thanks, Caroline. She had another question, though.Brad Crowell 12:34  Yes. Caroline had a second question. She said hey, do you have a shake plate that you recommend? Lesley Logan 12:40  I do. we'll put. Brad Crowell 12:41  I had a feeling,Lesley Logan 12:42  We'll put a link in the show notes, because I don't know the brand name, to be honest, but I love this thing I get on mine.Brad Crowell 12:51  It also wasn't, like, outrageously expensive. It wasn't nothing but it wasn't like a million dollars. Lesley Logan 12:51  It's like, it ranges from like, a little over 100 to about 150 and I think depends on the color or the time of year. But, like, honestly, it, it's something that, if I'm like, oh. Brad Crowell 13:08  Well, let's talk about what, what is a shake plate and why do you do it? Lesley Logan 13:12  Okay, so it kind of is a shake plate is kind of like a spin on the power plate. Power plate would be the brand and Power Plates I have experienced. Brad Crowell 13:19  Those big metal silver-looking ones that are, like, you know, two and a half feet wide. You can do a handstand on those. Lesley Logan 13:19  Oh, yeah, you can do some great stretches on those. My trainers at Equinox will, like, go here and do your pigeon stretch. And it, like, would really help with my running, help with my hips. I mean, I don't know all this. Here's thing, you guys, I don't know all the scientific facts are on it. But, like, I can say that Power Plates are really, really epic. And they can, like, turn your muscles on and off in such a way that it's like a full workout. In fact, in Vegas, there's a place called Vibe 28 that's literally workouts on a Power Plate. Brad Crowell 13:52  I didn't know that. Lesley Logan 13:52  And it's like they even do like, like a meditation class on them. So you like, just do different stretches on them. It's really quite cool. I will say they made me put a like, a band, a booty band, around my legs, and do squats on that thing. And I was like, oh my God, I thought I was in shape. No, no, no, no. It's like, what? It's like intense. And you that's, there's a reason why it's like only 28 minutes. You definitely don't want to work out longer than that. So it can be really effective but the reason I got one is because it can also be really good for lymphatic drainage, and it really good for balance and stability. And so I have my ankles are really hyper mobile, and my muscles around my knees have been really hard for me to, like turn on. And so I got one because you can just stand on it, and I swear, I swear it's doing something for lymphatic drainage, like my girlfriends and I just like, live by that. I have another girlfriend who, like, had some back stuff, and she just put it on, like, the lowest level and sat on it and her back felt better. So, like, that, that's amazing. So anyways, I get on mine, and I literally will, like, do Slack for 15 minutes, or I'll read a book. Yes, I can read a book while shaking. I'm also very tall. I could like my arms aren't shaking. The rest of me is. I play a video game on there. On my days where I don't want to work out, but I've got time on my hands, I get on there and I do it. Sometimes I just put my legs on it, and it feels really good. I have literally Googled multiple times, is standing on my shake plate at all beneficial? And the answer is yes. Now, of course, it's more beneficial if you do like a plank or a squat, but I play around my different foot positions, and my ankles are much more stable. My medial quad is actually turning on. I think it's been really fun for my lymphatic drainage around my center. So I love my shake plate. Big fan, yeah, total, yeah. So anyways, and it doesn't take a lot of space. One of my girlfriends lives in like, a tiny, like, studio apartment. My got one, and she's like, I do it twice a day, every day. So some of us now, like, do, like, we like, take pictures of ourselves send to each other, like, I'm on mine. Oh, I'm on mine. So now it's for like, a little club. Brad Crowell 16:00  That's funny. That's fun. I've even done it, too. I do enjoy it. It definitely first time you do it, you're gonna feel a little bit like, numb getting off of it afterwards. Don't turn it up that high your first time.Lesley Logan 16:12  There's programs and literally, start with the first program. And also a little side note that I would do, I was like, oh, every day I'm just gonna do the next program up. No, that is not how you get used to it. I recommend like doing program one for a few days and program two for a few days because I made my psoas so fucking sore, I had to stretch, so.Brad Crowell 16:12  Well, anyway, Caroline, we'll put that link in the show notes so you can check it out. Hey, look, if you have a question at all for anything, or about anything or whatever go to beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions and you can leave us a question or a win. So if you want to be featured on the FYFs for Friday's episodes.Lesley Logan 16:55  Your win could be that you bought yourself a shake plate and you did your first 15 minutes of self-care on it. Brad Crowell 17:01  All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk to talk about Margot McNaull in just a minute. Brad Crowell 17:09  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Margot McNaull. Margot is the founder of Stór by Margot, a bespoke fine jewelry company born from her own journey of designing her engagement ring in India. With no formal background in jewelry design, she turned her natural eye and personal experience into a thriving business helping women create meaningful, deeply personal pieces today, her work centers around empowering women to own their worth, often through designing their own legacy jewelry that tells their story, and that's what most of the episode was actually about. Was about worth and worthiness, and, you know why you would buy a ring for yourself, and conversations that happen in the home, you know, in a family, usually a married couple. You know, it was interesting. It was interesting. I, you know, I, I thought, I don't know. I've never really, I'm not really the guy that's out there trying to buy myself a ring, but if I wanted to buy a ring, I would probably save up the money and go buy the ring. But that's not how the conversation traditionally goes. Lesley Logan 18:14  No. I mean, also, like, even while the ring, that the beautiful ring I have, I literally told someone to tell you. Brad Crowell 18:20  I have no idea what you just said. Lesley Logan 18:24  My engagement ring that you got me, I made sure people in my life knew what I wanted, because we well, because you had said, don't talk to me about getting married. So I was like, well, how am I going to tell him about the ring I want if I don't can't talk about getting married. So I just made sure all of my friends who you knew knew which ring I wanted. Brad Crowell 18:40  I don't remember that that's how the story went.Lesley Logan 18:42  No. The story goes, you asked my friend for my ring size. He said, oh, I can tell you what ring she wants. Brad Crowell 18:46  Yes, because he had it from, like, a year before.Lesley Logan 18:48  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was before, yeah. So anyways, I knew what I wanted. The point is, around here, we just buy that ourselves, the thing we want, but I do have tons of friends who won't put a ring on their their wedding ring finger, because they that's saving of her then. Or they, they they want something, but then they they compromise, or they don't have the it's a whole thing. And so she's just a big person like, buy the thing that you want and buy the ring that you want, and that because you're worthy of it, and not waiting for a partner or waiting for external people to tell other people outside of you, to tell you what what ring you should have, or what you're worth, or things like that. I think it's really cool. And I also she said she was observing that women often struggle to buy fine jewelry for themselves, not because of money, but because they don't feel like they're worthy of it. Because, like you said, I would just save up the money and go get it. A lot of people will save up the money and then feel bad about like that. They're not like, oh, I shouldn't have spent all that money on that thing this, like, like.Brad Crowell 19:47  I mean, I get that, you know. Like, I definitely understand that, you know, I saved up money for a pair of glasses that I was like, wow, these are really expensive, and I literally wear them every day now, and I'm like, proud of myself for doing it.Lesley Logan 19:59  Yeah, don't you feel you feel good. Brad Crowell 20:01  I like them. Lesley Logan 20:01  Yeah. I mean, I love our car. It feels really cool to be in that car. I feel very worthy of that car, you know, like, now we had to save up for it. We have to wait, like, it's it was an expense, but, like, I think.Brad Crowell 20:12  We waited 10 fucking years. Lesley Logan 20:14  I fucking did, yeah, I did, but I, I wanted to have her on because I actually feel like we have a lot of listeners who are that person who has, has saved up the money, or does have it and and maybe feels a little guilty, like, oh, I shouldn't be spending on me. It should be spent on the kids, or I should be I should be doing X, or should be doing y. And it's like, you know, if you saved up that money one time, you probably could do it again, and you could probably spend it on them then that time. But so she she reflects on her own deeper journey, and that she even like while she was running her business, she was going through her own journey of self-doubt and realizing of self-worth. And so she had to go into it and realize, where do I feel like how do I feel about my worth? And so I also thought that this is really cool, because oftentimes it doesn't have to do with the ring. If you don't feel worthy, it's going to translate in other areas of your life.Brad Crowell 21:03  Yeah. And had nothing to do with the ring, nothing to do with the ring. Well, you know, when she's talking about, I think the conclusion of the worthy conversation was, it was it was an interesting back and forth between you and her about your experience working in retail and jewelry and seeing how couples would come in, and obviously they influence each other, but not just couples, like, friends, and then the person who wanted the, the one was doing the shopping would be influenced by the friend, and maybe the thing like and the friend might not have self-worth. So then they're, you know, projecting their insecurity on the decision-making process. And it could talk someone out of doing something that they were trying to do for themselves. And so what I thought was neat about her thing was she said, you know, the only person that's gonna make you feel worthy is you, yeah, that's interesting, but it also makes me, you know, like, is there an exercise? How do we do that? How do we feel worthy? How do we help ourselves feel worthy? Lesley Logan 21:52  I think that's a really interesting question. I think, like, also part of it is going back to, like a Nikole Mitchell, you know, like it's like putting Post-Its around your your your house, like, I am worthy of liking things. I am worthy of having this. I am worthy of reaching the goals that I want to have. Like it doesn't have to be I'm worthy of the stuff I want to buy, put it on. I'm worthy of get seven hours of sleep. I'm worthy of 100 grams of protein. I'm worthy of saying no to people coming over on a Tuesday night. I'm worthy of my time. So start with there.Brad Crowell 22:49  So we're not having dinner with them? Just kidding. Lesley Logan 22:50  Yeah. But like, I think, I think it comes from actually saying it out loud and saying it around things you can't have cognitive dissonance around. So like, if buying yourself expensive sunglasses or car or whatever is feels a dissonance to you, you have stuff that you still have to unpack and work through, then start with something smaller. I'm worthy of eight glasses of water a day, right? I am worthy.Brad Crowell 23:18  Or I'm worthy of a pay raise. You know, like, this is actually, you know, one of the things that that I really that resonated a lot with me is a topic that I get the chance to talk about a lot, which is money, right, and money when, especially with Pilates instructors, there's this weird stigma that Pilates is expensive, so you must be taking advantage of people when you're teaching. And then we shame ourselves into being like, oh, you know, I only teach a few hours a week, you know, so it's not that much money I'm making. And we have this weird, upside down perspective of, you know, the industry that we're in, the people that we serve, what we're doing, how much time and money we invested in getting trained, all this stuff, and then we adopt this, this like, strange mindset around the income that we're making, yeah, and so I've had this really interesting opportunity over the last year to talk about money on a consistent basis through a webinar that I've been hosting. And, you know, unabashedly talk about the desire to get more money, to make more money, and and but not be weird about it, right? We're not out there, like, championing, like, money for the sake of money. That's not the point. One of the things that I've really enjoyed is, in this the webinar is actually future-casting. Right? So taking a moment closing our eyes and actually thinking down the road, right? When we talk about money in these webinars, I actually talk about something that's like, scarily, like, almost like, it feels scary to even be willing to dream about it. It's about doubling your money, doubling your income. So, like, let's say you're making $35,000 a year. Could you make $70,000 a year with Pilates, you know? And. And the answer is, yes, you could. But why? Why would you want to do that, right? And I think the glib and obvious answer is, because I can get more money. But that's not the point. The point is, what are you going to do with that money? And then what are we doing with that? Like, how is that helping us shift our life to be better and more enjoyable? Easier, like, we it puts us in a position to go do something else that we want to do.Lesley Logan 25:25  Yeah, I mean, like, because, if you I mean to go back to that, the worthiness of it's like, okay, I want to make $70,000 because, but why? So I want to be able to pay for my kid to go to summer camp. I want to be able to have money in savings. I want to be able to do X, Y and Z. I want to donate to this thing. I want to do this thing right. Okay, so then it's not that. Brad Crowell 25:48  Or even it could be I want to create a life for myself that allows me a breather, a break, so I don't have to be going 90 miles an hour.Lesley Logan 25:58  And I think if we were all to say I am worthy of having a life that gives me a break. What selfish is about that? So, like. Brad Crowell 26:06  In the same vein, you know, let's translate that over to buying things. Yeah, why do we buy things, right? Why do we buy a nice car? Why do we, you know, I don't know, put in a pool? Why do we buy fancy sunglasses that cost $500 you know, which seems like absurd, you can buy a same pair of sunglasses for $12. Why do we do that? Like, like, how do we do that and justify that without, you know, feeling like an asshole, right? Lesley Logan 26:33  Well, I think the interesting word there is justify. I don't think anyone I think that.Brad Crowell 26:37  Well, there's a story we tell ourselves in our head, right? And I think that it's like, if, especially if we don't feel worthy of it, then we're justified, then we're justified.Lesley Logan 26:45  Yeah. But if you feel worthy, you don't have to justify anything, because it's it goes to the person who goes, oh, it must be nice. And the response, the only response, to it must be nice is it really is. It is. Thank you. It is because we have to. We, that has been trained into people for years and years to keep you poor. That's what it is every time someone has told their kids that money doesn't grow on trees, putting the same as point earned, you know, you, like, the justification of things that is to keep youth playing small. If you play small, then there, then the rich can keep getting richer off of you playing small, of you not demanding the pay raise, of you not charging your actual worth. Because, by the way, for the Pilates instructors who are listening, I just had a huge talk on both an AR Agency office hours and the next day instead of eLevate and I was like, on a pedestal, I couldn't get off of it. And I was like, y'all have to have some courage and conviction. Like most of the problems that this goes for anyone you don't have to be a Pilates instructor, is you don't realize all the hours you haven't sat down and counted all the hours of all the time you spent learning what you do, train on what you do, practicing what you do, teaching what you do. And you're thinking, oh, I'm pricing something for the 55 minutes I'm teaching them. No, you're not. That price is based on your entire past building up to it. And by the way, the future you're giving them, that's what that session, that the present that they're paying for, it's for your expertise and what they get in the future. And I think that's where worthiness comes in, is like, what can you do? Do you need to sit down and write down all the things that you know throughout realize you're worthy of asking for that pay raise? What is it going to take? But you can't ask other people for why you're worthy. You have to sit down and do some digging on yourself. This has to come from inside you, and it has and and the external stuff and the ring or the car, whatever. That's later, because some people like material things and some people don't. According to my astrology signs, I like material things, and I don't disagree with that.Brad Crowell 28:51  I could have told you that the day I met you. Yeah, but, but honestly, that's the thing. Here's the thing, it's okay to like material things. It's okay. We're allowed to do it. I don't know, you know, we feel guilty about it because of, for me, it was the way I was raised. Right? Is, is that, you know, the the money mindset element of it, and so, like, buying something really expensive was always out of the question. It was never even considered, right, ever, but, but like with, with the ring, like, if you want, if it's like, something that is going that means something to you, it's kind of like we were talking about tattoos, right. Like, if, if there is a sentimental association with it, you know, and you it's a goal you achieved in your life. Like, we've, we've, we've a friend we've mentioned before, when she wins a case, she buys a purse, or she buys the glasses, or she buys the thing, and she says, you know? And here's ironically, ironically, her dad not shaming him, but his response is always like, you still spent the money to buy the thing. Lesley Logan 29:56  And also, she doesn't get a pay raise when she wins. Brad Crowell 29:56  Right. It's not like she's getting a pay raise. Lesley Logan 29:57  No, she get the same amount whether she wins or loses.Brad Crowell 30:01  She, like, she's like, when I when this case goes, when it when the case concludes, then I get to buy the thing, right. And I think it's great. They're like, they're like, milestones of her life, you know.Lesley Logan 30:12  Yeah, yeah. I really agree. And I just want to, like, go on this one thing when it comes to some of the material possessions, especially a piece of jewelry that is something that one you wearing every day, so it's a physical reminder of of why you thought you're worthy of that. And then two, and Margot talked about this, you do often give it to someone, like, we don't have children, but I imagine Ella will like all of my jewelry. If Meredith has a daughter, we'll have to figure it out. But like, I imagine that like our niece Ella, she likes to wear pretty princess stuff. I imagine she'll like my things.Brad Crowell 30:51  I'm sure she will. Well, thanks for going down that journey with us here. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some Be It Action Items that you discussed with Margot McNaull. Brad Crowell 30:58  All right here let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Margot McNaull? Don't give up on yourself, she said, right? To go through what you need to go through, to go through to be that strong, that's successful, that whatever you have to go through some pretty dark valleys, right? It's not just like it's just kind of inherently built into life. We all know this, right? But don't give up. Don't give up on yourself. She said, look at things in a way that other people maybe they don't want to. It's easier not to dig into these things, to look at these things, then you're gonna, you're gonna come out. And if you, if you, if you give up, right, you're gonna come out with a less powerful message, okay, let's put some actual context into what this vagueness that we're talking about here, don't give up on yourself, right? If you, you're allowed to fail, okay, but if you fail, let's keep going. So for example, maybe it is going to bed earlier or just getting up earlier, or maybe it is, you know, eating food, that is, you know, like, maybe you may always skip breakfast, and you're like, I want us to eat breakfast because I know it's going to jump start my metabolism, whatever, right, you know, like, like, okay, like, how do we how do we do this? How do we actually make this habit, create this habit? And we could talk about habit-building later, but, you know, it doesn't have to be this huge, epic goal. It can be these smaller things, and that's such a great place to start to build that, that habit. Lesley Logan 32:33  Yeah. And if you miss a day, it's not failure. You start, you drink, eat your breakfast later, start again. Celebrate that you thought about it. Brad Crowell 32:41  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 32:42  Okay, so this is really cool. This made me think of Joanna, whose last name is escaping me, but she was in the second year the podcast was out, and she had to be an action about wearing the shoes, just like buy the shoes.Brad Crowell 32:55  Johanna White. Johanna White. Episode 171.Lesley Logan 33:00  Nailed it. She always said, buy the shoes and wear them, right? And so this particular Be It Action Item makes me think of that. She said, you can take your old jewelry and have it revamped and have it transformed and and sometimes that's like the permission that a lot of us need. It's like, oh, we're not buying a new thing because we have these old things, but we're not wearing the old things. Are we not as proud of old things? And you can actually just revamp the old things and now it's new again. And so if you have an old an old thing, you know, like, consider revamping it because you are worthy of it, yeah.Brad Crowell 33:35  Or maybe it was at a family heirloom that's like, you know, cool and amazing and sentimental, but not hip and fun and funky that you'd wear all the time. Maybe you could have something tweaked on that, and it would all sudden fit your personality today. So love that you have our permission to make changes to things.Lesley Logan 33:53  And walk around. I am worthy of, I'm worthy of, I'm worthy of, fill in the blank for yourself. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 33:58  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 33:59  Thank you so much for listening to our amazing podcast. Yes, I said our podcast is amazing because it fucking is. Brad Crowell 34:05  We're worthy of it being amazing. Lesley Logan 34:06  I'm so proud of it. This is episode 554, you guys. Holy mackerel. So do me a huge favor and share one of your favorite episodes with a friend who needs to hear it. It's how this podcast gets out. It means the world to me. It is the like a great gift to me and Brad. And a review goes a long way, because words of affirmation are my love language. So I've asked for two things. Thank you so much, asked for three, actually. And you know, just do one of them. You don't have to be an overachiever. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 34:36  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 34:38  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Margot McNaull didn't plan to be a jewelry designer, but creating her own engagement ring sparked a mission to empower women through fine jewelry. She joins Lesley Logan to explore self-worth, the symbolism of rings, and why you don't need permission to craft heirlooms that celebrate your life. Margot's story will inspire you to see jewelry as a bold declaration of who you are.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:What sparked Margot's shift from consumer to jewelry designer.What she's learned about self-worth through her own life journey.The psychological barrier of asking permission to invest in yourself.How the Ring Transformations program helps women reclaim their style.Why crafting heirlooms celebrates the important moments in your life.Episode References/Links:Stór by Margot Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/storbymargotStór by Margot Website - https://www.storbymargot.com Margot McNaull's Website - https://www.margotmcnaull.comGuest Bio:Margot McNaull is the founder of Legacy – the luxury ring experience where she empowers women to live a life of legacy. With nearly ten years in the fine jewelry industry and having worked closely with thousands of women, I've witnessed firsthand the transformative moment when a woman finds the ring she's always dreamed of. Margot started her jewelry design journey in the wedding world, collaborating with countless couples to honor and celebrate a pivotal milestone. However, she soon realized that the ring held a deeper significance. It symbolized a moment, a longing—a reflection of the woman who wore it, beyond just a gift from someone else. Margot's passion quickly deepened as she realized her desire to serve every woman who crossed her path. She wanted each one to feel represented in the ring design, to recognize their worth, and to know that every creation was inspired by them. Inspired by this vision, came the Legacy Experience. 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And so I just think, if you do that for yourself first, before getting into a wedding ring, you're not going to compromise on that wedding ring either. You're going to know what you're doing. Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:58  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? We're going to talk about a topic that you might not think has anything to do with being it until you see it. We're talking about jewelry. We're talking about rings. We're going to talk about buying the ring for you, right? And if you're like, oh that, I don't need to do that right now, I would strongly encourage you to listen to it. I think we had a great discussion about worthiness and permission versus discussion. And my single ladies like, what are we waiting for? Right? Why are we waiting for a person to come to our life put a ring on that finger? So it was really fun. It's really powerful. And I know when you see Margot McNaull's Instagram and see all the different ways that she designs rings, I think you'll be inspired to really create your own legacy with that. So here is Margot McNaull. Lesley Logan 0:58  All right, Be It babe, this is really fun. This is a conversation I've been wanting to have for a really long time ever since I met our guest today. It's going to be fun. We've never talked about jewelry and diamonds and worthiness to buy our own. So, Margot McNaull, thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Margot McNaull 1:55  Absolutely, thanks for having me. So I'm Margot. I started a fine jewelry company about 10 years ago, and I went straight into a big need I saw on the market, which was cookie cutter jewelry pieces and mass produced jewelry pieces, which I absolutely hated. And I, actually, when I was about to get engaged, now, I guess that's like 13 years ago now, I'm getting old.Lesley Logan 2:20  No, not at all. No, because I, I will be married this year, 10 years, and then I'm not getting old yet. Margot McNaull 2:25  There you go. We're not, we're young, we're young. But yeah, I said to my then boyfriend, I said, I don't want you to buy me a ring in North America. I'm Canadian, so we were in Canada. I said, don't buy me a ring in Canada. I want to go to India. I want to buy a ring. And he's like, okay, you know, he doesn't know anything, but he was happy to let me choose because he knew he could never. So we went to India, designed my ring, and I had the most special experience, because I got to select everything myself. And for, you know, listeners who don't know, India is like the Mecca of jewelry. That's where it all flows from. They cut most of the diamonds in the world. They're the experts. So by saying India, we're not saying, like, you know, it's not cheapening anything. It's actually, they value jewelry so much that they, they don't even manufacture 10 karat gold. They don't think that's gold. So, yeah, it's fascinating. So I go there, design it. I'm like, in love with the process, and then I come back and I see all these cookie cutter pieces, and I wanted women to have the experience I had, and that's what actually made me start the business. I was I was not in this at all. I didn't plan to be in it. My own engagement ring design led me to this, and that's how I started in the jewelry world.Lesley Logan 3:38  I mean, what a cool, first of all, I think what a great story to have together with your just your jewelry, your ring alone. I think that there is, there is so much around the ring that should have a good story, and then for you to, like, go into this business after that, having no experience like you went to school for, like, metal making or like, what did, you know what I mean, like, were you nervous about it? Did you, did it feel like a big learning curve? What was the, what was it like to go from like, okay, I designed my own ring, but now I've got to design for other people, so now I'm ordering for like, how was that? How did you do that? How was that journey? Margot McNaull 4:16  Yeah, that was a really intense journey, because it really brought out the self-doubt in me. And the best way to explain what I do to people is it's like the interior designer coming in and making it beautiful after the architect, you know, put up the house. So I'm a little bit of both. I create the structure, I design the structure and how it's going to look, but the what makes our rings and jewelry so unique is actually the little tweaks that I make. It's the, it's, you know, how I see it, and you don't actually need to be a goldsmith for that. And I, what I realize now further along in, is I actually have something very rare and unique. And there are a lot of metal workers out there, and there are a lot of people making jewelry out there that don't have that eye and don't have that ability to make something so like, you know, tweak it in just a way. Like, just today, I flipped the three stone ring, pretty unique custom ring for a client who happens to be a wedding photographer. So of course, she's like, pretty picky about what she wants. Lesley Logan 5:07  Because she's seen it all. She's seen everything. Margot McNaull 5:19  Exactly. So she's like, I do not want that. So she's doing this very cool, unique ring. And I just took, I just flipped it. So all I did was like, go one I saw it I'm like, no, I don't love it. Something's wrong. And I flipped it. And I was like, wow. So these are the little things that I realized a long, you know, it took me a long time to overcome the self-doubt, because I would look around, I would feel like I don't know anything. I don't know what I'm doing, but I think all of that stuff actually made me better at it. But yes, it was a very intense emotional learning curve, I would say. Lesley Logan 5:49  Yeah, because I think like, so here's, this is how I'm going to equate it to my life. Like, I booked commercials and gigs in in L.A. before I took a commercial acting class. Soon as I took the commercial acting class, I went on a string of, like, zero callbacks, and I finally had to go, my agent was like, girl, what is going on? You booked a bunch of stuff before you had any skill, and we gave you skill, and now you suck. And I was, that's how they they actually say things more meaner and more direct. And I said, I said, I think that the class screwed me up. I think I started thinking I had to do it in this form you lay it way when I was just being myself before with what was going on. So I'm just gonna forget everything gal taught me and try again. And I booked a couple more gigs. And then I was like, I don't actually really like this, so I'm gonna quit, but, but, like, I think that, you know, we can tell ourselves a story that we have to, oh, I want to start a jewelry business now. I need to go and take all these jewelry classes, and actually, by you owning that you see, like owning your own eye, and not putting about, like, putting your worthiness on the education or the history of jewelry-making by you just owning what your own skill sets were from your own intuition is what makes you so unique and what makes your experience so unique. Margot McNaull 7:12  Absolutely, it, once you can get there, it's awesome, but, I mean, I can, I know a lot of women struggle with this. I'm right there with you, like, you know, the learning curve and the doubt and overcoming all of that is very difficult. I think it's why a lot of people quit in business as well.Lesley Logan 7:28  Yeah, how did, so, do you, do you remember what your tools were to overcome it? Was it just like deep therapy? Was it journaling? Like, what?Margot McNaull 7:36  Honestly, great question. I feel like it took me a long time, because maybe I didn't implement like, I probably could have had some better tools and done it faster. But what it took me towards, and, you know, I feel like in 10 more years, I'm going to have this amazing story to share about what I'm just entering right now. But when I just started, so I went right into the wedding side of things. I was like, I want to work with engaged couples. Now I'm way more excited, not way more. I love working with women. So now we've really tailored the women, whether it is a woman designing her engagement ring,woman designing something for herself. But back then, I was all wedding, so I went into it thinking, I'm going to make a really cool experience for women to feel special that they have this unique piece that's theirs. The jewelry company is called Stór by Margot, which is a Gaelic word, S-T-O-R which is, my treasure. I wanted them to feel like it was their treasure and it wasn't just another piece from the mall that three other women are wearing at the same time. So I go into that, but it actually completely knocks me off my feet as I'm going through my own journey of self-doubt and realizing, you know, self-worth because it there's actually a really deep psychological issue that appears when women are looking at jewelry and talking to you about jewelry, and it is that they don't feel like they're worthy of it. And this is something that then I had to go into and realize, where do I feel, like, where do I stand? Where's my, how do I feel about my worth? Pretty low. And this is like, years into being married. Have a great husband, great family, but those things aren't going to make you feel worthy. They might help you feel good, but the only person who's going to make you feel worthy is you. And that's why I feel like it took me a really long time to kind of get out of that, but I think it brought me to this conversation, which is exciting, and I'm and I want to spend kind of the rest of my life doing is, you know, talking to women about how worthy they are. And I guess that's the benefit of the slow journey just uncovering. And like I said, I just wanted women to feel happy and excited. And now I see all of the nuances that you should see in my appointments. You can see the in the relational interactions and the doubts and the hesitations. You know. Versus the women who are like in and they're like, this is what I want. I'm getting it. I know I'm strong and but even those women have their moments, right, where you can see through it and but all of it is, I think, how you feel about yourself. Lesley Logan 10:13  Yeah, I, 100% I so agree. I, thank you for sharing that. I think it is. I used to work at a jewelry store. And my jewelry store was, it wasn't like just diamonds. It was more like unique ways of working with diamonds and stones. And so some of our designers, like Kathy Waterman, who, like, makes platinum or 22 karat gold, it looks like ivy that makes the shape of a heart, and this really unique stuff. So, like, even though she would make a few of those pieces, it felt very unique. And so it was really fun. But I would watch women come in by themselves and go, oh, this is a piece that makes me feel so special. And then they might come with their partner or a friend or a family member, and that person's interpret, like, they would almost change how they like something based on if that person would think they were spending too much money, or you're never gonna wear it, or, you know, like that, you can make that far cheaper, like all these different things from the other person's story. And then there'd be the women who came and go, I really love this. They'd write it down. The husband just come in, go, she wants that. That's gonna make her happy. That's exactly, like, so you could see these different relationships. And because I worked at that store for so long, I saw those relationships evolve together or evolve apart, you know, because, and it was really the more she felt firm at what she wanted, and the more it's not like, and I don't mean it's like, he buys her whatever she wants, or she buys for herself whatever, but like, the more confident she was, and the more, the more the partner validated that confidence and validate what they wanted, that, that actually allowed those relationships to be stronger together. And it was just really cool to watch. So my favorite people were the ones that didn't wait for someone to buy it for them, the ones they bought it for themselves. So I want to talk about that, because I know that's where your business has evolved. And our mutual friend, Lauren Zoeller, who's been on the show before, y'all, she designed a piece with you, and I really enjoyed the story of why she got that piece. So can we talk a little bit about why, why you're so excited about women mining their own diamond and like not waiting for the one ring with the one person that.Margot McNaull 12:23  So true. Okay, I love this topic so much. And like I said, our business, there's part of our business that's always going to be rooted in that one ring, because it's, it's a specialty. But where I am personally moving towards is this legacy experience of women designing a piece for themselves, and this is all rooted in what we just talked about. And the concept of the experience is we're going to walk through your own personal journey, and we're going to take all of the tidbits and pieces out of that, and I'm going to do my thing and put that into your final piece, you know, which, which I do think most of the time is going to be a ring, because the main, the good thing about a ring is you see it, right? Because you're using your hands, you're looking at it. It's a reminder, versus a necklace. You don't see that much yourself, right, unless you're looking in the mirror. So there's something about a ring that is so powerful, and it's also seems to be the thing that's always passed down, right? So creating a legacy beyond just something that you know is going to be passed down is almost honoring your journey. And what do you want to do with your life, and what you know, what story do you want to leave at the end, and just encouraging and honoring women to walk through that process and not be afraid to do that, and not like you said, tame themselves because they don't think that they're worthy to do it, or the opinion of someone else. And so what was really great about doing that with Lauren is, you know, she knows, she knows what she wants, she, she's not letting somebody else come in there and tell her what to do. And we got to create this beautiful moment of this big transition in her life, of a ring that actually goes back and the story that came out when we were talking together was just how important her grandmother was in her life, and then we got to put that into the final touches of her ring, and it's going to be her symbol forever, of her mission and how she wants to honor her grandmother. And her grandmother almost called that out in her life when she was younger, and she didn't even know what that meant at the time. So this whole experience of and then working like, I love what you said, because most people haven't worked at a jewelry store, when someone can come in and give themselves permission to just do what they want is a completely different experience and outcome. And going ahead and saying, I deserve it. I want to design my own piece. You know, whether it's a legacy experience, whether you just come one on one, say, I'm finally going to do the thing I wanted to do is very empowering. And there is something about jewelry that I mean, jewelry is one of the only things that lasts, if you think about it, right. There's something about gold and stones and where they come from, and they, they last forever, yeah, and it's really special. Lesley Logan 15:02  Yeah. I think, like, I think that's one of the things, like, what I love about what you're doing, why I wanted to talk with you on the show, is, like, we have so many women listeners. Some of them are in a wonderful relationship, some of them are on their own, and they're, as someone who has a lot of, a lot of amazing jewelry, and I get to look at it. I walk into my room all the time. I wear as many rings as possible because I just, it reminds me of who I am, but also like, yes, there is something that I do. I have no children, but I do hope that someday, you know, when I'm not here for this earth, people will will use my jewelry in different ways, or it will remind them of me. But there's something about having in my jewelry box, I have, like, my grandmother's engagement ring, and I have my father's wedding band. I have these things, and I like want to do something with them at some point someday. But there's just something about, like, we have these things that it has that memory. And if you can create something that is from you, that has all of your worthiness, and then you put it on your finger, and you get to look at it every day. It's like a symbol of reminding of who you are and the worthiness that you have. And I think it can be really easy. We've a lot of people have been raised in material possessions are like a waste of time, but actually, like, sometimes it's the only memory we have of somebody like having, like having built that in and put that together like you did with Lauren, like having that that grandmother's touch inside, kind of brings that legacy around and brings that worthiness, and like you're putting them together, I will say this quick little story. It has nothing to do with diamonds, but does have to do with the ring. We're recording this during the L.A. fires, and on my Instagram the other day the these firefighters were like searching this realist come up, this firefighters are searching in this house for another firefighter. His house burned down while he was fighting someone else, the fire somewhere else, his house burned down, and they found his wedding ring because he wasn't wearing it when he was fighting the fires. He left it at home. And they figured out what part of the house it might be at, and they search through the rubble, and they pull out this ring. And it was so emotional, because, like, they've lost everything, right? They have nothing, but they do have that. And it's just, I'm crying now because, like, even though it's not their, a diamond ring, it's this piece, it's like, gives them some sort of, like, semblance of stability and hope and memories and all that stuff that encompasses it. So I, I really do think that jewelry can have so much more than a material possession. It can have all of you, your history, your life, your journey into a piece. Lesley Logan 17:32  Absolutely, that's such a beautiful story, especially because, oh my goodness, especially because that's a miracle, because it should have melted. So that's kind of insane.Lesley Logan 17:40  Kind of insane, that, like, it should have melted it, right, it was like, in the rubble of a house, there's nothing left, and they found this band, and it's fine, and he put it on his finger and like, and he's and he's like, he's like, he's like, what's your wife gonna say? He's like, well, she didn't know I lost it yet. So now I have to tell her, it's found. But so cute, so cute, so special. Margot McNaull 18:03  So cute.Lesley Logan 18:05  So okay, so tell me, tell us a little bit more, because I think that some people may get overwhelmed by the idea of, like, designing a ring and worthiness. Let's talk about like, what, if we were to do that with you what's the process? How do we make it less overwhelming? How do we, how do we and I guess maybe even, like, what are some things that women should go through to even give themselves permission to do this? Maybe that's a better place to start. Margot McNaull 18:29  Okay, I really love that question, because I, there's one thing that we can all really relate to, and that is, you know, there's no, nobody hesitates now, it's they're, you're like, I want that handbag. I'm buying that handbag in six months. Or, you know, I need a Chanel in my closet like it's everyone has permission now to go and buy these very, very extravagant bags, right? Much more expensive ones than that. And there's no question. Nobody says, I'm not worthy of buying an Hermes bag. Right? So they've overcome that hurdle. But when it comes to diamonds, there's something that stops us. And there, and honestly, I talk a lot, obviously I talk about jewelry a lot, and now it bugs me every time it happens, everybody says, oh, I'll tell my partner, I'll tell my husband, I'll ask them for it. And it's, this is still a thing. It's like we don't feel like we have permission to buy it for ourself yet, right? Sure, a $200 silver ring you're gonna buy for yourself. But why, when you're celebrating something so big, do you not feel like I want that eternity band, you know, like I'm buying that for myself. Or even women, my goodness, well, the idea of the push present, it's like they're still not even asking for their push presents, it's like you almost died putting your kid into this world, at least get her the diamond. So, you know it's, it's, it's a permission issue, and so that's the first thing to overcome is think about that and let that sit with you and really think why do I why am I not giving myself permission? Because, sure, the easy way out is it's expensive. I have to think about it. Yeah, of course, there's a lot of things in life that are expensive that you can plan for. There's also ways to do these rings in this jewelry that are very cost-friendly, you know. And my team can help you figure that out. But there's the I think the issue is, there's, there's a stop so there's, there's a permission issue. Lesley Logan 20:26  I think that's a really, what a, you know, I'm a Pilates instructor. I'm not a therapist, and when people move, trauma really leaves by through movement. And so I've had to up level myself in areas of training so that I can spot when that's happening, and not therapies, because I still don't have that license. But also, like, notice when it's just like, leaving the body, and when it's like, hey, you know here, like, how to handle that, right? And you are, like, going to, like, making jewelry, because, like, it was a great experience. And now it's also like, oh, I also have to be able to identify and help a woman go so maybe you should, like, let's talk about why you think that you can't have this yet, like, why you're not worthy of it now. And it's true, like, maybe you do have to go, okay, I am worthy of it, and I need to buy it in a year after I've, like, that's a different story. But, like. Margot McNaull 21:16  Of course. Lesley Logan 21:16  But it I think that there's a habit, and for the single women like, you're not good, you've got it, you've got it. You have one less thing to think about. But as a married person like I was raised in a house where I hear my mom go, I've had to check with my, my husband check with this. And also, by the way, yes, households have budgets. There are things to check on, but also you could also know what your budget is to spend on yourself and you like that should be a thing that's part of a marital household like my, my husband has his money to spend on his things without checking on me. I have my money spent on my things without checking with him. Then we have our money that, you know, if it's going to be in the household, we have to discuss. But there's not permission there. It's a discussion. And I think that's a difference in that, ooh, we just talked that through.Margot McNaull 22:03  That's it. I love that's it. Jewelry is always lands, most of the time, lands on this, I need to ask permission when it really should just be I just really, I just really want them to know I want it, and it's okay, you know. And we'll decide when I'm getting it. It is not a permission. Lesley Logan 22:22  Yeah, and I think, you know, it's really, it's really interesting is, like most partners, I would like to think, I know that that's not all the case in the world that we're living in today, but most partners actually don't want to, don't want to give you permission. They, they, they want you to have what you want. You know, like, I was asking something of Brad, and he's like, you don't need permission to buy it. You just buy it. And I was like, oh, that's right. Where did that come from? How did that come back? How did that come into me? I've never asked before. Like, who did I just hang out with? You know? So, like, so I think, like, it is, I think it's worth evaluating, if you're listening to this and you're like, I can't do I don't know, like, or you're feeling resistance around this, like, I would just ask, like, are you guys having discussions in your relationship around what you'll invest in, or is one person always asking permission, you know, and like, how can we change that? Because I think that that, you know, is worthy of evaluating and putting you know, some time in journaling and discussion into, so.Margot McNaull 23:20  I love that. Lesley Logan 23:21  Okay, so you, let's like, let's go back to the I want all the women who listen to this to feel worthy and also have something that they have chosen for themselves. So you got into this idea of like, she doesn't have, she can, she can get her own ring. And this is like, with, not the marriage ring, not the left hand finger ring, but another finger ring. What is that like? Who is grabbing these? Who did you think of this for? Like, what? Tell me more about it. Maybe I'll have one. I have an empty finger. I have an empty one.Margot McNaull 24:01  I know. I remember meeting you, and I was like, I love her. She loves jewelry. No finger is unadorned. Except maybe the one we have to fill, but you have to do something with the metal from your parents ring (inaudible). Lesley Logan 24:13  Yes, yeah, we'll have to talk about that, yes.Margot McNaull 24:15  Absolutely. That's perfect. It's like the sentimental piece that you need to add. So what I love about this is there are some women who are doing this for themselves. You know, let's say after, after having a baby, they're saying, I want a ring to commemorate that. I'm like, awesome. Go for it. Good for you. Then there's women like, we mentioned Lauren, who's like, I really want to honor my journey and my legacy, which is super exciting. Now we just started, we actually just really, speaking of the left hand ring finger, we just released ring transformations, which we are incur, basically like giving permission to women to say, this ring from when I got married 10 years ago is not in style and I don't even like it anymore, and revamping it and doing something with it. Lesley Logan 25:01  I love, that. I love that.Margot McNaull 25:02  It's so good. And, you know what's fascinating is us releasing the program. It's like they knew they could do this this whole time. Us saying apply for a ring transformation is like the permission they needed, because so many more people came out of the woodwork and are doing it now, because we, because we said it, you know?Lesley Logan 25:22  Well, I think also, like, it's on your to-do list, but then you're like, it just feels daunting. You're not really sure, you know, you almost like, need the prompt. I love this. I think that's really cool. I also, um, for the women who are, you know, letting go of relationship. I have seen women get beautiful rings, like, divorced rings.Margot McNaull 25:40  Yes, I know I've done that, and there's some funny names for them, and they've done something cool for themselves afterwards, which I love. And then I also hate, you know, because I don't want to just focus on this one finger. I hate when women say, like, you know, if I have a ring on that finger, then someone always ties it to a relationship. And then there's this whole other tangent of, why is this piece of our body belonging to someone else? It's like, I feel sorry for the single women who just want to wear a ring, and if they go on either side, right, people be like, oh, are you with someone? It's so frustrating. Lesley Logan 26:13  Yeah, no, it really is. Also like, I don't know. Maybe it's because I live in California, and people can judge how they want to, but like, I, whenever I wore a ring on that finger before I was married, it wasn't like people, it stopped anyone. Like, I got engaged, and I got more people asking me out on the first date at the Whole Foods in WeHo which, by the way, is where everyone is gay. So I should have been, like, left alone. So, so I would just say, like, I don't think anyone's actually that observant anymore.Margot McNaull 26:39  So true. So true. Yeah? Like, they should have permission to wear whatever they want on whatever finger and celebrate themselves in whatever way they want, right? And it's so interesting, because it's like, at, some women are waiting for that to happen, for that moment, for that someone to give it to them. And like, if you're listening right now, you do not need to wait for that, you know, do it for yourself. And if you do it for yourself first, and that happens later, it's probably going to be even more special because you're honoring yourself first. Lesley Logan 27:09  Yeah, oh I'm into that. I'm so into that. So ladies, put a ring on that finger and just put something that makes you feel powerful and wonderful and special. You know, it's just be it till you see it. And I think oftentimes, like the acting as if you are worthy before you might feel it is also helpful, because it's like, okay, if I did feel worthy, what would I do? What would I wear? What would how would I say yes to this? Would I would I be concerned about putting a ring on that finger or buying myself the ring that I've always wanted? You know, I think that that, and then all of a sudden, you you can, like, start to step into those shoes easily. And so when that ring is ordered and put on that you it doesn't feel foreign. It doesn't feel like something you're embarrassed about. Yeah.Margot McNaull 27:53  Yes, you're gonna love it so much more, too, because I've been working with a lot of couples for many years now. Like you said, they're partial therapist, partial ring designer. And honestly, if you don't go through that process first, you're not going to honor yourself enough in a way to actually get a ring you want to wear. You're going to compromise in ways that, and this is a piece you have to wear forever. This is where now, when, you know, people come without their partners, it kind of freaks me out of it, you know, like when the wearer of the ring isn't there, it'll, because it's so how do you nail all those details without the person wearing it? It's going to be on their body everyday maybe. So you deserve something that you truly love and truly honors who you are and what you want everyday. And so I just think, if you do that for yourself first, before getting into a wedding ring, you're, you're not going to compromise on that wedding ring either. You're going to know what you're doing. Lesley Logan 28:45  Yeah, yeah. And I think, like, what a symbol of a ring, if you've compromised all the way, like, you know, like, what is, what's going to happen? What's the be it till you see it, if everything to the detail of the ring is a compromise, you know? Versus like, I like this. I want this, yeah. Oh, my, oh, I could talk to you forever about jewelry, like, I really could. I got a new emerald, by the way, I'll have to show it to you.Margot McNaull 28:46  Ooh, yes, please. One of my faves. Lesley Logan 29:07  It's so pretty. It's like, I like, I put it on my finger, and I was like, I said, my friend, my the person who made my wedding ring. I was at her house, and I she had it out, and I was like, what is this that I don't need but I truly want? And I put it on. I was like, well, just look at that. And I was like, put, I tried to put, I was like, well, maybe I'll put the pink one on, you know? And then I was like, no, it's the one, I want, the green one. So I just wore it. And I sent a picture to Brad. I said, hey, babe, what do you think about this? And he didn't respond. And I was like, well, you know, silence is admission, like, it's permission. So this is like, I like, and so I bought it. And he's like, oh, what'd you get? And I was like, well, I hope you like that green one. Margot McNaull 29:55  I love that. Yes, I need to see that with your hair, too. Like, green emerald.Lesley Logan 30:00  It is so bright when, when we're done recording, I'll grab it. So anyways, okay, we're gonna take a brief break, because we could talk jewelry forever. But I want to find out some Be It Action Items from you and where people can work with you. Margot McNaull 30:11  Amazing. Lesley Logan 30:12  All right, Margo, where do you like to hang out? Where can people find you, follow you, connect with you, work on a ring with you?Margot McNaull 30:18  Yeah, let's do it. So our I'm most active on Instagram @StorbyMargot. So that's S-T-O-R-B-Y Margot with the T. And my two websites are storbymargot.com and margotmcnaull.com which will be you'll have them up, but my personal brand website, which is more women-focused, and then Stór By Margot is more tailored to the wedding side.Lesley Logan 30:37  Wonderful. Okay, we've talked a lot about some really good stuff, but Be It Action Item, it's the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps women can take who are listening and the few good men, by the way, we do have a few good men. Margot McNaull 30:51  Love it. Lesley Logan 30:53  We always call them out, they're listening, that they can take to be it till they see it.Margot McNaull 31:02  Love it. Okay, so I'm glad you gave me some time to think about this, but came down to don't give up on yourself, because to go through what you need to go through to be that strong, successful, driven woman, you have to go through some pretty dark valleys, and you do have to look at things in a way that other people maybe don't want to. It's easier not to look at those things, but then you're going to come out with a less powerful message. So the thing that I reflected on was going through a decade where many times I wanted to quit. Well, I'm I very much am not a quitter, I would say, like, I'm more of a beat myself up and keep going. But there would have been times where it would have been easier to quit, and I didn't quit, and instead I had to, like, look deep and figure out what was so uncomfortable and raw. And that's where I'm coming out of, I feel like, in a way. And you know, it seems like 10 years. When you start a business, I mean, you know this, when you start a business, you you'd think you'd be a long way in at year 10, right? Or you look at other people and you're like, man, look how well they did. And honestly, I feel like it's just the beginning, because of all of these things I had to figure out. And if you do not want to look deep into yourself, and you do, do not want to do deep work, definitely don't start a business, because I really, I feel like it's really similar to having kids. It takes a lot out of you, you know, I did both at the same time. So, hence, the very deep, dark valleys of self-reflection and what purpose I wanted to have. But that's what I thought about be it till you see it is I just kept going through the darkness, and I just keep having faith in the process. And that's what I would say in terms of being it till you see it. Because even, I mean, I'm very excited soon to be moving to the U.S. but. Lesley Logan 32:56  Yeah. You're being it until you see it on that U.S. move for, I think, few months after I met you. So it's kind of amazing that it's happening. Margot McNaull 33:06  I'm so excited expanding the business into the U.S. and but in, like some of you know, in Canada, we had the longest shutdowns. We had some of the longest shutdowns in the world. In from 2020-2022 we were still closed January 2022, can you even believe that? Lesley Logan 33:22  It's insane. Margot McNaull 33:23  And running a business at that point in time, you had to be great. And so I was thinking about, you know, life would have been a lot easier if I had given up, but I wouldn't be here today, and I wouldn't be talking about this message that I'm so excited to keep sharing and encouraging women with and so that's my Be It for you, for sure. Lesley Logan 33:44  Yeah, I love that, and it's true. Like, if you don't want to get to know yourself and go through all the dark valleys, there's good too. But like, you don't get the good without the dark. Like, that's just how the world is, how everything is in our lives, then go work for someone else, where you can clock in, repeat things and clock out, because it's, yeah, running, every single day, I learn something about myself. I'm like, oh, I wish I could take that back. I wish I could do that differently. Okay, I get to do that differently next time, but I have to live with what I did this time. Margot McNaull 34:19  Exactly. Lesley Logan 34:20  Yeah, it's, it's interesting, a journey it's a journey. But ladies and gentlemen, please consider, one, your worthiness, for this episode. Two, get the ring that you want for any finger. And three, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. You know, share this with a friend who's like needs to remember that they like are truly married to themselves and and that is how we can, I think, uplift each other and helping those around us feel worthy as well. So Margot, thank you so much. Y'all make sure that you tag any takeaways with Margot, the Be It Pod, share with a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 35:04  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 35:46  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 35:52  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 35:56  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 36:02  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 36:06  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan celebrates historic and personal wins in this week's FYF episode. From Kelsie Whitmore making MLB history to a community win from Nancy Lawrence, and a pre-tour packing victory of her own, this episode is a reminder that progress doesn't have to be flashy to be worth celebrating. Take this as your reminder to celebrate yourself.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How one woman landing an MLB spot flips the game forever.Why your wins spark a ripple effect that changes lives around you.How a packing hack turned into a total confidence booster on tour.Why believing in your magic is the ultimate mindset shift.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins - https://beitpod.com/questions@sportysteady on Kelsie Whitmore - https://beitpod.com/kelsiewhitmore If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hello, Be It babe. Welcome to the quick inspirational episode where it's just kind of fun. We're going to talk about something that inspired me on the internet. Hopefully get you talking. I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm going to share wins of yours. You can send yours into the beitpod.com/questions yes, I know it says questions, whether you can put questions that you want us to answer on the Be It Pod or your wins, and that way we can celebrate your wins too, and then you get to hear them on a future episode. It's so fun. I just joined a membership group from another podcast that's a local podcast to us. And then when they said my name on the shout out, even they just said Lesley. All they said was Lesley, I was like, that's me. That was me. And like, it's just kind of nice to feel so seen, right? So we want to make you sure you feel seen. So beitpod.com/questions, to put your questions and or your wins, okay? So a win of mine and then we have a little affirmation, and then you're off to your weekend. Lesley Logan 1:32  Okay, so the thing that inspired me today, well, it actually inspired me obviously a little bit while ago, because it's happened already, but you're hearing it now. So get this. This is amazing. History made. The Oakland A's have officially called up pitcher/outfielder Kelsie Whitmore from the Oakland Ballers, making her the first woman everto join an MLB roster! From indie leagues to the big stage. This is a moment for the books. I don't even know. I didn't even look to see if she played. I'm gonna tell you this right now, because that's what society has told us. Like, okay, well, does she play? I don't give a I don't care she played. The fact that she is on a Oakland A's roster. To be like the first this is a May we have to celebrate this right? Like, I hope that they call her up. I hope she gets to play, and I hope people give her space and grace to make mistakes. Like these jerk offs who get to play all the time. Like, baseball kind of pisses me off, because you can have, like, the lowest batting average and still make millions of dollars. So like, you know, I don't care what her performance was, she's amazing. She's there. And like, may this mean that more women get pulled up onto the baseball field, because you know what, baseball, your games are really long. And even though I was raised on baseball, my grandfather was a professional baseball player. I just want to tell you, like, because defense can't score, we need to make things more interesting. I don't want you to gamify it. I want to see women and men being badasses on the field. That's what I want to see. All right. Anyways, from my lips to you know, MLBs here, right? I guess that's how it's going to go. Lesley Logan 2:57  Okay, so now let's do a win of yours, a win of yours. Okay, Nancy Lawrence, oh, my God, one of my favorite humans in the whole world. You guys have heard from her before, because she's been on our OPC members, but she's an eLevate. She's most important like she's also been a retreater with us in Cambodia. We are going to see her again this October. So my win this week, moving with this baby. So this baby means her daughter, Miranda, having my daughter go through eLevate five and learn so much from Lesley Logan's amazing experience. She's learning the exercises, cueing, and so much more. She's becoming the woman she is destined to be, and no longer a tired and frustrated corporate employee working for someone else. She is working on herself so one day she can work for herself. I mean, I think we should just celebrate Nancy another win in this. Another win that we're having here is that you working on yourself and you doing things that light your fire and that you doing things that make you feel so amazing has inspired her that she has this opportunity. And I that's one of the reasons why I love wins and why I want other people to hear people's wins. It's because it inspires other people in your life, this bubble of influence that we can have. So Miranda is winning because you are winning, Nancy, so thank you so much for celebrating wins with us. Lesley Logan 4:13  All right, a win of mine. Y'all this is my win. Okay, so here's the deal, Tami-Adrian, you guys know her from OPC, and she'll be on the Be It Pod, soon. She bought us this gift, which is like, a bunch of those, like packing kits. So it's like, the things that like space savers for packing, right? And it's like she gave us like, four or five of these things, and inside there's like four or five different types of bags that just like, help you save space. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm not an organized person. I have ADHD, so it means I make lists, but then don't use them, you know. But one of the things, we're about to go on tour, and one of the things that I struggle with on the tour, is that we, we quite have, it's cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to build these fans out, the ones you see a van life, at the van life, and they're like, look like so Instagram on glamping, they spend a fuck ton of money, okay, we are doing this ourselves, and yes, we're spending money, but, like, I don't have an extra 100k just to throw into my van. So we are building things out. We have an AC. We want to have shelves, obviously, in drawers for the clothes, but we don't have that quite yet. But what we do have are these packing things. And so what I'm so proud of my win is this. I have already taken those packs and I've put them in the in like outfits of like, okay, this is my workout outfits for this many days. Okay? This is my teaching outfits like this, this is my other things and the way, because we haven't the walls in the van yet, I can put these pouches in the holes of the van so that I don't have to go under the van to pull my suitcase out, which means it's gonna be even easier for me to do my workout every morning. I'm not gonna waste time and lose time trying to pull that out. I'll have my teaching workouts. They're already hung up. You probably have seen how I do that, so that's ready to go. And then I'll have my daily clothes. So I actually get dressed while on tour to go to dinner, because sometimes I'm just, like, shuffling in my pajamas. So I am just, this is my win is where, like, less than a week from tour, and my outfits, not just the ones I'm teaching in, but the ones no one will see, are organized thanks to these packages. And if, and if I never use them again, I will still call it a win. But I've, this is a freaking win. If you have ever, like, organized a drawer, I hope that you see this as you've did a win, you slay. If you organize a closet, you slay. Like, these are the wins that are happening all the time, right? They're happening all the time, and we're just like, nope, didn't get that million dollar deal. So with like, my life's failure. No, no, no. Good things are happening to you all the time. Lesley Logan 6:25  Okay, so let's go to your affirmation. It says you don't need to believe in magic. You are magic. You need to believe in yourself. That's your affirmation. So well, let's change how the words are. I don't need to believe in magic. I am magic. I need to believe in myself. I don't need to believe in magic. I am magic. I need to believe in myself. I hope that hits you in a good spot because it hits me in a good spot. I hope it hits you in a good spot because it hits me in a great spot, right. Like, I really, truly hope that this podcast doesn't just educate you and inform you what's going on. I hope it helps you see like you're doing a great job. I believe in you. I hope you do, too, after that and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 7:11  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:52  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:58  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 8:03  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 8:09  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 8:13  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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In this recap of the conversation with Wendee Close, founder and CEO of Goals2Life, a personal development platform that helps people turn their dreams into achievable goals. Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell, dive into how burnout led Wendee to build a more values-aligned life and business, how planning can fuel purpose, and why taking bold, intentional action is the key to owning your next-level identity. If you've ever felt overwhelmed or stuck, this episode will help you get back on track one meaningful step at a time.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Tips for safely storing your Reformer in a humid garage.What Wendee asks herself daily to stay aligned and focused.How asking for help can connect you to the right people.A powerful mindset shift to embody your future self now.Why sleep is your secret weapon for clarity and creativity.Episode References/Links:Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniOPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourOPC Summer Tour Calgary - Opc.me/CalgaryUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comContrology Reformer - https://beitpod.com/reformerSubmit your questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsGoals2Llife Website - https://www.Goals2Life.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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It's ask yourself very clearly, like, why haven't I done this? What has been in the way? Is this actually something I still want to do? Can I actually do it and then set new measurable goals, set new milestones and make it happen. Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:53  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the purposeful convo I had with Wendee Close in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to listen to that one first, then come back and listen to this one, or listen to this one and see if you agree with what we liked about that one. It's your choice. That's what's really important about the Be It Till You See It podcast, you choose. You choose how you want to listen. Today is July 17th. Brad Crowell 1:22  You choose very closely. Lesley Logan 1:23  Yeah, I hope you like that, Wendee. I'm sure she hasn't heard that before. It's like, my mom's last name growing up was Friesen, and like, she was super tall, so they would always go, how is the weather up there? Is it Friesen? Right, like, wow. I know kids are clever and cruel. Anyways, that's, I don't know why that popped in my head. Welcome to ADHD. So today is July 17th 2025 and it's National Tattoo Day. It was also another day, but obviously I have to pick this one, tattooing, the art of inserting pigment under the dermis layer of the skin. Brad Crowell 2:00  In case you didn't know. Lesley Logan 2:01  To create a decorative, symbolic or pictorial design or just a sticker on your body, permanent sticker on your body. Brad Crowell 2:01  Permanent sticker on your body. Lesley Logan 2:06  How I like to think of it. And on National Tattoo Day, July 17th, we set time aside to learn more about the tattooing process. It's a societal importance and history. Okay, here we go.Brad Crowell 2:17  I didn't know that. I'm in on societal importance. Lesley Logan 2:20  You guys, in case you don't understand the process of picking which day, it really is like what title speaks to us, and then we learn about the day as we read about it with you on air, and that someday could become problematic, but we'll edit it out then I guess you'll never know. So if you don't have a tattoo, you likely, or you're likely, to know someone who does. And if you've asked them how they knew at the time when they were getting inked whether they would still want that design on their skin years or decades later, you may have just gotten a peculiar look instead of an explanation. There is a certainly a fraternal connection between people who bear tattoos, a connection that those without ink can never really understand. We asked one correspondent to try address this phenomenon. He said, tattoos began as a ceremony, and they're still kind of like that. Once you're in an artist's needle, it's like a little it's a little like a religious experience. It's like the aha moment people talk about having in a business life. It illuminates something you didn't see before. I don't understand any of that. That doesn't resonate with me in any. Brad Crowell 3:15  Yeah, me neither. Lesley Logan 3:16  So first of all, I overthought my first tattoo, way too much. Brad Crowell 3:20  I mean, took me 15 years to get my first tattoo, because of the same thing. Lesley Logan 3:25  15 years from when you're 18 or like?Brad Crowell 3:29  Yeah, yeah, I didn't get one. So I guess that's not true. I wanted to get a tattoo in my teens. My parents said no, but I started designing it in my teens. Lesley Logan 3:38  Okay, okay. Brad Crowell 3:39  And then I didn't actually get one until 30 years old.Lesley Logan 3:45  Yeah, I got my first one on a blind date.Brad Crowell 3:48  You got one on a blind date? Lesley Logan 3:50  Yeah, we wanted something to do. Brad Crowell 3:52  Wow. Lesley Logan 3:53  I know. Brad Crowell 3:53  This is the first time I'm hearing this story, y'all. Do tell. Lesley Logan 3:57  Anyways. Brad Crowell 3:58  How'd that go? Lesley Logan 3:59  I never saw that person again. And I covered up that tattoo after I left my ex with the cherry blossoms that we then added on to, and then I just got others. Because once you get the first one, you kind of start to just get other ones and.Brad Crowell 4:21  Well, the hurdle has been left, you know, like, you're, you're, there's this weird mental block of like, I don't know if I want to keep that thing on my body forever. And then after, after you get your first one, you realize no one actually gives a shit. And then also you're like yeah, you know.Lesley Logan 4:38  We speaking on podcast or proponents for tattoos? Brad Crowell 4:39  Yeah, I'm not. I'm not that worried about it either. Because here's the other thing, you can also change the tattoo or you can cover the tattoo or you can remove the tattoo.Lesley Logan 4:50  Or you can remove it. Keith Davidson removed all of his tattoos. He is a complete blank slate. Google it right now. Brad Crowell 4:55  No way. Lesley Logan 4:56  Google it right now, because I thought for sure, it's AI and people were saying it's AI, and he has done actual interviews about it, and he there's no way it's makeup. He has, he spent $200,000 getting them all removed. And I thought that's all it costs to cover remove his entire body. Brad Crowell 5:12  I mean, he had a he had. Lesley Logan 5:13  His whole head to toe, like he was so covered. So anyways, our neighbor is shout out to Brieanna, Viva Vanish skincare, she actually removes tattoos. So like, to me, you could just remove it, right? Or you could cover it up, but you, you, you do overthink the first ones, and then you kind of just get them, and they just become part of you. Also, I've gotten, like, my dream catcher, my dream catcher tattoo. It is really funny. When I got it. Remember this, Brad, I got the dream catcher tattoo. It takes up my whole fucking arm. We came back from Cambodia.Brad Crowell 5:48  Upper arm, shoulder down to elbow. Lesley Logan 5:49  Yeah, shoulder to my elbow. We come back from Cambodia and, like, literally, no one notices. Like, no one notices. And I'm starting to think that like it, people don't like it, you know, and all this stuff. And so I'm, like, starting to make this through my head, and then someone who I've never met in person, they only know me through social media. I was at an event, and they're like, oh my god, is that a new tattoo? And I said, it is. Thank you. I just got it, I just got it right. And other people are like, that's new. And I'm like, yeah, there are people who, like, have known me for years, and I'm like, they're like, well, you're just, like, a person with tattoos. You just have tattoos. So anyways, all I had to say is, you know, I saw a reel or a meme. It was just like, tattoos are just stickers for adults. And, like, we like pretty things.Brad Crowell 6:32  I'm in on that. And I was looking up the Pete Davidson thing still, and I found something really interesting. He did an interview with Variety, why he decided to remove all of his tattoos, and apparently he's not removed every single one, but he's removed the majority. He said, on deciding to remove his tattoos, I used to be a drug addict and I was a sad person, and I felt ugly and that I needed to be covered up, and I didn't. And I don't think there's anything wrong with tattoos, but mine, when I look at them, I remember a sad person that was very unsure, so just removing them and starting fresh, because that's what I think works best for me with my brain. When I look at them in the mirror, I don't want the reminder of, oh yeah, you were a fucking drug addict. Like, that's why you have a Sponge Bob smoking a joint on your back. So good for him. Lesley Logan 7:18  Oh, I love that. But see, that's the thing. You can just remove it. So, you know.Brad Crowell 7:22  I mean, it's a process, but it can be removed. It's money and time, yeah. Lesley Logan 7:26  You know what? There's a lot of things you could spend your money on. I, don't get something you don't want. But also like. You. Brad Crowell 7:33  I like, I mean there's definitely sentimentality around the tattoos that that I have, have put thought into them. It hasn't been just like, on a whim, but also, too, the more like, as you get after you get your first one, the second one, the decision to get it was, like, much faster than the first one. Lesley Logan 7:52  Well, I also just want to say, like, you don't have to get them, and it's also fine if you get them and don't over, like, don't overthink it so much because it, because you kind of make it perfect and, like, you're trying to get all perfect. And it's, it's, like, it's, there's no judgment either way, like, you're gonna, life will go on. Brad Crowell 8:10  Well, we are very big proponents of ink and tattoos. We think they're really fun and cool. Lesley Logan 8:15  If it's part of your personality, like, and also, like, I don't, I don't think I remember my parents saying, you like, oh, you're gonna be so judged. You'll never get a job, like, that has never happened to me one time, and I have tattoos all over my hands and like, no one notices. Brad Crowell 8:17  Yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 8:17  You know. So most of them are for me anyways, because when I have to look at myself in the mirror all the time, and I have to, like, look at what I do, like, or on a camera live all the time, and I'm like, I just want something to look at that's not just my family. Just my face. Like, I'm so tired of looking at my own face, I would like to see something else. So that was really a lot of it for me. Anyways. Brad Crowell 8:50  Anyways. Lesley Logan 8:52  Back to this podcast (inaudible) coming up. So, today we actually kick off Agency Mini 11. That's happening right now. Brad Crowell 9:01  Right now. Right now. If you'd have no idea what that means, and you were like, I need in on this, go to prfit.biz/mini. That's profit without the O dot biz slash mini. Lesley Logan 9:10  It's for Pilates instructors and fitness instructors who want to improve their business and attract clients that actually want to teach and make the money they want to make. So that sounds like you. You do want to sign up for this because the next one with our calendar, if it's possible being Q1 of next year.Brad Crowell 9:25  Yeah, we're, we've been literally, like, tentatively looking at February. Lesley Logan 9:25  Yeah and it could be the end of February. Brad Crowell 9:30  So it's not, we're not doing another one, we're not doing another one this year. And, and honestly, it's a killer program. So, and it's also not expensive, you should definitely do it.Lesley Logan 9:40  62.50 sign up today. Three days. First couple days of replays. There you go. All right. Then we are now really in the countdown of our Summer Tour the van has.Brad Crowell 9:52  We leave next week. Lesley Logan 9:54  I know the van has a new look. We have a huge tour going on. We have so many cities that are sold out. So many people are we're so excited to see in person for the first time, some we were seeing in person for the third or fourth time. We can't even wait. It's powered by Balanced Body, which means we actually bring some of the Contrology equipment with us. You can try it out. We have amazing prizes from them to give out, we're bringing Bayon. So it's opc.me/tour and then you can see all the different cities. And some of these cities, you are easily drivable. We have people who are coming to two cities, so you can do that too. Also, if you're having a little FOMO that we're not coming to a city anywhere in driving distance near you. And I just want to remind you, we are driving for several thousands of miles so you can drive a few hundred. Brad Crowell 10:38  Yeah, you can, it's okay, come join us. Lesley Logan 10:38  But it's like, if that's not an option, the Calgary event is a virtual event. And so it's in-person, of course, but there's virtual seats that are available, and they're limited. So you can get those at opc.me/tour, just pick the Calgary event. And then we come back.Brad Crowell 10:48  That's, I just want to call that again, if you weren't listening, we have virtual tickets for the summer tour for two workshops. Lesley Logan 10:51  Yeah, we've never done that before. Brad Crowell 10:56  Go to opc.me/calgary. To go directly to where you find them. Opc.me/calgary. Cool.Lesley Logan 11:05  Yeah. And then we come back rest up, unpack, repack, because we're going from summer to Scotland's fall, and we are going to be in the UK. We'll be in Leeds and in Essex. Brad Crowell 11:17  Yeah, we're running out of seats over there, y'all. It's exciting.Lesley Logan 11:19  Yeah, oh yeah. It's, well, at the time we're recording every time someone buys, it's like, this is, this stock is low. It's like, low it is. So Leeds only has a couple spots. Essex, we are offering day passes there, but every time someone buys a two-day pass, we run out of two-day passes. That's how that goes. So because it's a week during the week, because it's not nice, like, you can go to a whole workshop day during the weeks, plus, like, a vacation during the week, so go to opc.me/uk, I've had a ton of people going come do a tour in the UK. I'm like, I am, you guys, I'm coming in September. And we have a ton of our workshops that are happening at these locations. You can even do both locations. There's only like one workshop that overlaps, so opc.me/uk and then we'll come back at a couple weeks later, we go to Chicago for P.O.T., and then we go to Cambodia on our retreat. And it's not too late for you to sign up for our retreat for Cambodia, because we just bought our plane tickets.Brad Crowell 12:11  We just bought our plane tickets, and also we just had another person sign up, you know, so there's still time, absolutely, it's not like, you know, the plane tickets aren't getting overly crazy right now, which is nice. So pop in, come join us. Go to crows nest retreats.com. It's going to be a pretty small group this time, so I'll tell you (inaudible). Lesley Logan 12:11  If you don't like big crowds, it's the time to come, because I can't promise you it'll be a small group every time. In fact, I know 2026 has a ton of people, so you're gonna want to do this one because we'll have more time together. It's a lot of fun, and you can always come a day early or stay a day late.Brad Crowell 12:47  Well, we would encourage you to stay a day late, because we actually have two events that we can't include, quote-unquote, in the retreat. I mean, those events include going to see an elephant sanctuary, yeah. And then the second event is a waterfall excursion. And the reality is they're both just like, like, longer events that we couldn't fit into the flow of the actual retreat. Lesley Logan 13:08  Full day events, and also, like, especially the waterfall, we have to have a smaller group weather permitting, you know, all that stuff. So that's why they're extra so and on the extra days, and we're going to do them before we leave, so you should come, crowsnestretreats.com. Okay, we have a ton to talk about with Wendee, but we have an audience question.Brad Crowell 13:26  We sure do. @BrendaHornung1990 on YouTube asks, can I put a reformer in our garage? I'm in the southeast. So does it, so it does get hot in the summer southeast, probably like Georgia or Florida? I think I'd be more worried about the humidity. Lesley Logan 13:46  Good job, Brad, good job. Brad Crowell 13:48  Unless you've got a Contrology Reformer, which won't, you don't have to worry about the humidity as much. Yeah, there's no wood that's going to warp, right? Lesley Logan 13:55  Correct, because that's the thing. So, so the thing so one, I don't know which Reformer you're looking at that makes a difference. Two, so if you get a Balanced Body Reformer, that's wood, like a studio reformer, you have to worry about humidity for the wood. However, their springs have a coating on them, so you don't have to worry about the springs resting, whereas the Contrology, it's aluminum. And so you don't know. Lesley Logan 14:21  Or an Allegro 2. Lesley Logan 14:22  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could do that. Brad Crowell 14:22  Allegro 2 is also aluminum. Lesley Logan 14:22  Yeah, so, uh, is it aluminum? I thought it's fiberglass. No, no, it's metal, I know, but is it alluminum, I don't think it's, it's white. Brad Crowell 14:34  Yeah, it's, it's aluminum. It's definitely not, it's not fiberglass. Lesley Logan 14:37  Really? We should (inaudible).Brad Crowell 14:37  It's definitely not fiberglass.Lesley Logan 14:37  Anyway.Brad Crowell 14:37  100% not fiberglass. Lesley Logan 14:37  Well, Brad is gonna, Brad is gonna, it's a prefab. I know that it's like the way they make it, anyways, the Contrology. I have friends who have them in Hawaii.Brad Crowell 14:50  Powder-coated aluminum. Lesley Logan 14:51  Okay, there you go. Brad was paying attention on the tour, not me. Anyways.Brad Crowell 14:57  I've also picked them up. I know what they freaking are. Lesley Logan 14:59  Yeah. So the Contrology, my friend has in Hawaii, and the frame is great. Nothing goes on there. Doesn't even rust, but the springs, well, you have to clean the springs, right? So. Brad Crowell 15:12  That's right. Yeah. I forgot about that. That's great. It's exactly the same, like, environment with humidity.Lesley Logan 15:18  I so I worry more about humidity anywhere. And then when it comes to, just, like, the hotness, I mean, obviously it's gonna pin like, are you gonna want to lay on a hot Reformer bed? Because it's gonna like, like, it's like, sitting on your car when the car's hot.Brad Crowell 15:34  Well, here's the thing, you can actually regulate the temperature inside your garage. Lesley Logan 15:37  Yeah, if you can, yeah, then I would do that. Brad Crowell 15:39  In Cambodia, we have these wall units for, like, air air conditioning. Lesley Logan 15:44  Yeah, I love this idea. We're helping you out, Brenda, so get a wall unit, and then I probably. Brad Crowell 15:49  Yeah, they're called a they're called, there's a specific term for them. What are they called? They're not a window unit. They're a wall unit. Oh, they call it a split, mini split. Lesley Logan 16:03  A mini split. Brad Crowell 16:03  Mini split. So that way, what it does is it actually takes the big air conditioning part of it that, like, you know, is loud and noisy, and it actually is outside, yeah, but then the inside is just a little wall.Lesley Logan 16:15  They're amazing. They're so quiet. The other thing I would just say is, like, I've never experienced this thing. I've never had to purchase one in my life. But a dehumidifier is something you can also purchase. I saw one in Brad's uncle's basement. I was like, what is this thing? He said, a dehumidifier. I'm like, I only know about humidifiers. Clearly, that's where I've lived in the world. So you can have a dehumidifier, and then that would make your equipment last a long time as well. Brad Crowell 16:39  That's true. Lesley Logan 16:40  Just something to note that, like Naugahyde and your leather straps, you know, those things can be affected by the weather. So if, again, if it's hot, cold, like, you're just gonna want to find a way to stabilize the environment a little bit so that it, you can have it for years, because that's all I want to make sure, like, we didn't leave my Reformer around the heat. I think my extra Reformers out in the in the garage for, like, in the shed for like, a year, but it was in a box protected. And then we're like, we got to get that in. That's probably not so great for it. So. Brad Crowell 17:07  Yeah, just because the the Naugahyde will eventually become brittle. Lesley Logan 17:10  I think the leather straps would also become, they would dry out as well because, like, they stay healthy because of the oils of the skin. So anyway.Brad Crowell 17:18  I just also found out that a mini split is, it's called a mini split because it's heating and cooling. Brad Crowell 17:24  Oh, well, there you go. Brenda. Show us the pictures of your garage with your new Reformer in it. Brad Crowell 17:24  You're amazing. Lesley Logan 17:24  You guys. If you want to ask us any questions, they don't have to be about Pilates, they can be about anything. You'll, you just have to go to beitpod.com/questions. You can also send us your wins. We can celebrate you. And you can hear about your wins on a day that you need to because they always happen to land on the day. You're like, my life isn't working. And then you hear a win you had, and you're like, Oh my God, it was, I just forgot.Brad Crowell 17:47  Stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 17:49  All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about Wendee Close. Wendee is the founder and CEO of Goals2Life, a personal development platform designed to help individuals create and achieve meaningful goals through detailed planning and execution. It's quite a comprehensive platform. It's actually kind of amazing. After 27 years in the B2C industry, she pivoted into the tech world to build a purpose driven SaaS platform aimed at transforming how people bring their aspirations to life. SaaS stands for software as a service. So the like a SaaS platform would be like Gmail or Google Calendar. That's a SaaS platform. In this case, she's making a tool that is software that'll help you bring your aspirations to life for real, known for her resourcefulness and her get it done attitude, Wendee now helps ground people break through burnout and overwhelm by aligning their goals with their values. And I think for her, that was, like, legit, because she was like, doing she and her husband had started a business that could she do it? Yes. Was she really good at it? Yes. Did it light her fire? No. Should she have been doing it? No, right. But she did it for decades, right? And after all that time, and they really did well, she still was like, I kind of don't like what I'm doing, yeah. And so that's what caused the shift to start this platform, you know, effectively starting a second career after her kids have flown the coop. She they're empty nesters now. So, you know, she's, she's definitely tackling a huge project. Lesley Logan 19:30  Bird launcher. Brad Crowell 19:30  She's a bird launcher. Lesley Logan 19:32  Yeah, I like, I know I said on the podcast, if not, I said her face. I am, like, immensely impressed that she has taken on this project because, like, it's so, like, I had no idea what starting OPC like, how much effort it is to have a platform like OPC. Like it is the amount of work we have to do on a daily basis for OPC is the amount of people who work on that site to keep everything. So like, when she was, when she talks, she's like, oh my God, that is the biggest project in the world. Like, I was just like, sitting there, from the experience of it, and she doesn't even see it as difficult. I mean, like, of course there's difficult times, there's hard days, but she always is like, excited for the challenge. And like, she takes it in, and then she figures out who she has to talk to to make it happen. And so anyways, one thing she said that I love, and I think it is why she can do what she's doing and take on this mountain of an amazing business, is when the vision is clear, you become it. So she is like, even though the project is still being built out and it works. She has tons of clients and tons of customers and tons of companies that work with it, but it was something that she's continuing to build and perfect and do. She isn't waiting for it to be ready to go out there and talk about it. She's talking about it because she's it.Brad Crowell 20:54  She's been talking about it, I mean, you know, before it was even ready to go. She understood what she was building, who it was going to help, and was out there sharing it with the world.Lesley Logan 21:04  I mean, if you haven't listened the episode, you have to, because it's truly a Be It Till You See It like it is, she is not waiting for the project to be ready for someone to deem the project ready for anything like that. She's like, I'm going to go out there, I'm going to talk about it and the questions I get and the things people need are going to help me make it even better. And that's what we are always trying to tell people to do inside of Agency as well. She said, when you believe in what you're doing, it becomes, it becomes easy to show up and say, this is who I am and this is what I'm doing. The vision is so strong, you live it. And I think, like, a lot of us, are sitting in the place where she was before in that B2C thing. Maybe you're not B2C but, like, was she good at it? Yes. Can she do it? Yes. It didn't light her up. And so I think a lot of people are struggling with, like, preaching, preaching out loud and and boasting about the thing they're doing because it's not the thing they really want to be doing. So they're not as excited. She is so excited about this. Every time I talk to her, I'm like, excited about what I do. Like, somehow, like, it reminds me this is why I do what I do.Brad Crowell 22:06  She lights everybody on fire. You know, I bet you, too, that all the things that she learned with her first business on, she managed a team. She, you know, worked with clients. She, you know, understood how to do every aspect of that business. There's like a direct translation for what she's doing now, even though it's a different project and a different product and a different goal, the skills she learned from the first one are absolutely setting her up to excel at this in What? What? So much faster, so much faster.Lesley Logan 22:42  Well, and also, like, every single even if the thing you want to do is something you were never trained to do, every skill that you've acquired along your journey is transferable. It's all. Brad Crowell 22:51  Story of my life. Lesley Logan 22:52  Yeah, it's really all so transferable. And there, most of the jobs that I well, the job that I currently have, there's, like, not like a degree in it. So, yeah, like, I think, like, we're all like, where's the checklist to go check? There isn't one. So get your vision clear and then talk about it. Don't be afraid to talk about it, because, just because people question it or and they might not be as excited as you, their questions help you deliver what you do better. You know? When we first started about OPC versus how we talk about it now, very different based on the questions we got from the way we talk about it, you know, like, so.Brad Crowell 23:28  Class starts at six. I think we even said that. I'm sure it was, like, new class on Tuesday. I really loved when she was talking about clarity and resourcefulness and her reminder about it, specifically around asking for help, right? She has no qualms to reach out to people and ask for help. She is very excited about what it is that she's doing, and because she knows what she's building, it gives her enthusiasm, right, and courage. And then when she goes and she asks someone for help, even if they say no, it doesn't matter. It doesn't deflate her enthusiasm. But because she has that, she can ask for help in a way that is compelling people actually want to help her. She said, every single day, I'm like, I don't know how to do the thing that I'm gonna do today. But what do I want to do? I want to impact lives. So she has a bigger goal. Like, for example, the conversation you were having was about going live on Instagram. She's like, I'm not a techie, you know, social media user, but I'm willing to learn this thing, even if I fail at it, if I fall flat on my face. Because if I can go live with someone today, and it's got to further my actual goal, which is impacting people's lives. And she said she just, she encourages everyone to just be, learn to be as resourceful as you can. Right? And she said, if you're honest and transparent about where you are and what you're trying to do, others will help you do it.Lesley Logan 25:03  Yeah, they will. They because they get excited. Because you're excited. People want to be part of the party. People want to be part of, that is how, for better or worse, people get involved in organizations like you know, they want it. I read the book Careless, careless people about Facebook and, oh, guys, it's a book worth, and if I could get her on, I would, but she's not doing any touring right now, but it's she talks about why she got involved with Facebook and why she was pushing for it to be around the world, because she want, she want to be part of the vision of connecting people, yeah, and helping people have all these and I know that's like the worst example, but also like getting so excited about your thing that people get excited to be part of your life, because they'll want to connect with the right people too, whether or not they can help you, like, Oh, I know, so and so. And then they're so excited about what you're doing when they talk about this to their friend, there's a trust transference, and all of a sudden you have the connections you need, you know. So no one gets to get their goals all done by themselves. It just doesn't happen that way. You want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.Brad Crowell 26:10  Well, yes, very enthusiastically delivered there. Oh, you mean that old thing. Okay, dad. That's hilarious. All right, well, if you are looking for some, Be It Action Items, stick around, because we're going to dig into those when we come back. Brad Crowell 26:33  Okay, finally, let's dig into those Be It Action Items that we had with our conversation with Wendee Close. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? I'm gonna go first, because she actually went down all four like, right away, which is pretty awesome.Lesley Logan 26:53  Whenever anyone does that, I'm like, oh, you took the assignment to the next level.Brad Crowell 26:58  She did. She did. She said, hey, here's what's bold, own your next level identity, right? She encourages you to ask, what would my future self do right now, today, in this instance, and then take that action from your future you, right? And she said, that's super bold, you know, like, know where you're going, know what you're trying to do, and then you know, if you're faced with a tough decision, would you, would you choose yourself make decision A or decision B, right? And then she said, executable, take small intentional steps every single day, small intentional steps, right? Breaking down big goals into micro movements. And then ask, what's one step that I can take today, right now, and then go do that step. In fact, that's like half of what Goals2Life is is literally the execution element of it, because what they help you do is map out your goals and then figure out how to do them, actually, how to bring them to life, right? Lesley Logan 27:56  Yeah. You just, that's where the name came from. Brad Crowell 28:00  Goals2Life. That's where the name came from. Intrinsic. Align your goals with your purpose. Align your goals with purpose. She said, What? Ask yourself, why does this even matter to me? Like, if you have a goal of, let's say, doing a 5k race, you know. Why does this matter to you? Why you know do the seven layers of why you know, what is it that you're actually trying to do here? And then, when your goals are tied to your values, your commitment will deepen. So you need to understand what your values are. And then we need to find goals that are going to tie it all together. So, intrinsic. Align your goals with your purpose, targeted, set clear, measurable milestones, replace vague hopes with tangible outcomes. Ask yourself, how will I measure the progress? We would suggest deadlines. Deadlines actually give yourself by this time I will do this thing, you know, or by this time I will, I will have this finished or this piece, piece of it accomplished. Because then it gives you targets. Lesley Logan 29:06  I just talked to Agency members about this. I said, if with, like, you know, we're halfway through the year, right? And it's like, if you reflect on your goals, you wanted to have done this year, what you want to have done by now, and you're like, oh my God, I didn't hit the name. It's like, well, it's, don't beat yourself up, it's ask yourself very clearly, like, why haven't I done this? What has been in the way? Is this actually something I still want to do? Can I actually do it and then set new measurable goals, set new milestones and make it happen? You know? So I believe in those I love a deadline. Brad Crowell 29:35  Love a deadline. Yeah. What about you?Lesley Logan 29:37  Okay, so she said, and this goes back to what I was just saying, so I'll just translate. If something's a priority, if it's a goal, it needs to be on your calendar. And that's where a lot of people make mistakes. They're like, Oh, I'm gonna do this thing, but they don't even set aside time, like in my calendar. If you look at my calendar, it'll say, write this thing, do this thing, call this person. It is in my calendar. So there's not like, Oh, here's my three things I wanna get done today. And. I have a wide open day. No, every single work day is like it's full because I have now, of course, I can move things, if something comes up or whatever, but then it gets moved because if it's in your calendar, you'll reschedule it. So that's what's really important. She said, if it's not in your calendar, it's not a priority. And she didn't mention time blocking. I'm big fan of time blocking. I actually talk a lot about how we teach Agency members how to time block so that they actually move the needle forward in their business. She also said this is really important. She said she was talking about her burnout. She said no amount of movement, water, nutrition or meditation can make up for the lack of sleep, so sleep should be right there at the very top. And I think that is the most important thing. It's something I always talk about. When you come on a retreat to Cambodia, we actually like put your dream schedule together, and the first thing you actually put in there is when do you go to bed, and when do you wake up? It's your dream schedule. It's not your current sleep schedule. It's like what you desire to have as a sleep schedule. And it's the most one of the most important things to do is work towards that, because you cannot, like, biohack your way out of sleep you didn't get. Maybe one day, maybe two days, but you can't do it 365 days. Not gonna happen.Brad Crowell 31:16  Wendee and I definitely connected on that, because both of us just didn't leave ourselves sleep time or permission to sleep. And so, you know, definitely impacted me through college for sure, you know. And even today, you know, it's still a decision to make sure that that is a priority, But yeah, I love it. I mean, you know, Wendee is one of the most magnetic people that you'll ever met. Like when she walks into a room, you know it, whether she meant you to know it or not, you know it. And her enthusiasm for and her vision for her business, for Goals2Life, is contagious. And, you know, I think the product is, it's really amazing, and helping people actually move forward, instead of feeling stuck. And, you know, I'm excited, so y'all should go check it out. Goals2Life. The number two, Goals2Life.com, we'll put that link in the show notes, for sure, yeah. But yeah, if you haven't gone back yet, go listen to Wendee. She's amazing. Yeah, go listen to why we love her so much. Lesley Logan 32:25  Okay, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 32:25  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 32:25  Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to what your favorite takeaways are. We want to also know your questions and your wins. 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What happens when entrepreneur burnout leads to a complete shift in how you work and who you serve? In this episode, Lesley Logan talks with personal development expert and Goals2Life founder Wendee Close about her startup journey, building a purpose-driven platform, and why slowing down can actually speed up your success. If you're feeling stretched thin or stuck in your business, this conversation will help you reset your goals, reclaim your time through time blocking, and prioritize well-being — starting with sleep.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:What led Wendee to build a purpose-driven platform from scratch.Goals2Life's impact in helping people avoid burnout and regret.How Wendee's leverages AI in helping students build habits that stick.How time blocking can help protect your energy and prevent burnout.How asking what your future self would do can guide your daily decisions.Episode References/Links:Goals2Life Website - https://www.goals2life.comGoals2Life on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/goals.2.life/Goals2Life on Facebook - https://beitpod.com/goals2lifefbWendee on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@WendeeCloseBook: Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - https://a.co/d/8xm2XNRGuest Bio:Wendee Close is dedicated to empowering students with the life skills they need to set and achieve meaningful goals. Through her Goals2Life framework, she helps young people break down big ambitions into small, actionable steps that lead to success. With a personal development and goal planning background, Wendee provides tools and guidance to help students stay motivated, build confidence, and turn their dreams into reality. Wendee Close is a recognized leader in personal development and goal planning, specializing in helping students build habits that drive success. As the founder of Goals2Life, she teaches young people how to transform overwhelming aspirations into structured, achievable steps. With years of experience in coaching and mentorship, Wendee understands the challenges students face—procrastination, uncertainty, and lack of motivation—and provides clear, actionable strategies to help them thrive in school and beyond. 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You have to take care of yourself. Because if you just focused on, oh my gosh, I love what I do, I'm going to work, work, work. That's great. But guess what? You're not going to show up as the best version of you.Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:51  All right, Be It babe. I'm gonna get into this interview as quickly as possible, because our guest today is one of my favorite humans in the world. Everytime I get off a call with her, I am more motivated to do the thing I already was motivated to do. So this podcast is honest, it's authentic. It's got great tips and it's gonna help you be it till you see it. So here is Wendee Close from Goals2Life. Lesley Logan 1:13  Be It babe, get ready. This conversation is gonna be the caffeine you forgot to get yourself this morning. I promise you. Wendee Close is our guest today, and the two of us, we get together, it's like, so you are, you can slow the speed down if you're someone who speeds up the podcast. Wendee Close, girl, I love you. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Wendee Close 1:35  Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, first off, my name is Wendee Close. Like she said, I am the CEO and founder of Goals2Life, and I rock at execution and getting shit done. I am the GSD girl. Definitely want to bring it to people where they could actually say, I want this, and they just don't know how to actually implement it. And I'm your girl for that.Lesley Logan 1:53  You so are. Here's the thing, like I was looking through, you know, Be It babe, we have, like, a form that people fill out. And it's really funny, because I, whenever it's a friend of mine, I'm like, just fill out the logistics, like email address, I know you, but like, my team's like, we do need the bio, Lesley, we do need these things. I'm like, ah (inaudible). But one of the things that I love that you wrote in this form, you actually talked about being it till you see it as a CEO of Goals2Life. And I, I would love for you to share that with people, because I couldn't agree more when I met you, when I met you, Goals2Life was an idea. You were busy doing the things, but it wasn't a thing yet. But to me, I was like, I felt like, oh my god, this woman is the CEO of the biggest, coolest, most amazing, successful company, and then I find out, like, the next day, when I'm talking with you, you are in the process of it. So you are a Be It babe, example, tell everyone what you did. Wendee Close 2:51  Oh, I, 100% okay. So for me, I lived 27 years in a B2C world, and that's like, you know, working directly with the consumer I decided, you know, here I was not in alignment with my calling. So I'm like, okay, I have now been put into a direction that now is in alignment with my purpose. So it's very clear when you have vision and you're like, okay, this is the vision of what I'm supposed to do, the gifts that I have, I'm perfectly in alignment, it, and when the vision is so clear, you you become it. So I knew I had to create a SaaS platform, which is a software service, a huge platform to solve a world problem. It's like, it's not, it's so much bigger than me. And so I have to believe so much in the calling and the purpose and my gifts and my capacity to know when I walk into the room, it's already happened. It's already happening like I already know it's not if, it's just when, and it's going in because the conviction is so strong, because you're filling a need and a void that is so needed, and you know you have the right solution, and you know you're the right person. You just show up because that's who you are, and that is what you are doing and what will be done in the perfect time. So you know, when you believe in what you're doing and when you're in alignment, it's just so easy to show up and say this is who I am, this is what I'm doing. These are the lives I am changing. This is what I'm going to do. And I'm not just doing it here and now I'm going to do it across the world. So it's just taking it in and sometimes living it way bigger than you are, because the vision is so strong and you believe it, so you live it. Lesley Logan 4:28  Yeah, I, I agree with that. Like I and loves, you don't need to know what a SaaS or a B2C is, to know that, like, all this stuff, like, to take everything she just said because I think what I, what I want to highlight is, like, you are very successful for 25 years in doing what you're doing. Like, honestly, you could have just like retired. You could have just like part time. Wendee Close 4:49  Yeah, my husband reminds me that all the time, let's just take a risk and let's just go live decide when he wants to leave a legacy in a whole different direction. You know it is, it can make you sick if you are out of alignment with who you are. And until you could really find your purpose and use your God given gifts, it can be a struggle, and you may have this emptiness or feeling of unfulfillment. And so until you can actually get clarity on what that is, and then start crafting a plan and start moving into action and when you start acting on the things that you know and you're in alignment, you start having this overwhelming sense of joy and there's not a day of working, you know, when people say, you know, what's the saying of when you, when you love, what you do, you're never, never work or whatever, truly like, I get up and straight, straight up, you guys, I'm in a startup, and this is launching a software startup. This is not easy. This story to be tell. I cannot wait. Lesley Logan 5:44  It's like obstacle after obstacle, like green light, yellow light, red.Wendee Close 5:50  I will tell you I wake up every day with so much joy of the opportunity to be called to do something so great, and to actually be able to impact lives and make a difference. I do not, no matter how many hours, no matter what the struggle, no matter what the difficulty is. When you are in alignment and you have vision and you know you can help other people, there's not, it doesn't feel like work, like it really doesn't even, no matter how hard it is, unless you know it's hard.Lesley Logan 6:17  Yeah, oh, it's, I agree with you, like, you know, before we hit record, I was like, I refuse to work more than eight hours a day. Wendee Close 6:23  Yeah. You just told me that. Lesley Logan 6:24  My work day is technically scheduled to be around seven, sometimes six. And the reason is, is, like, it's gonna go an extra hour. I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna wrap things up before I, like, sit down and I'm like, okay, what's going on for tomorrow? That doesn't mean I don't love what I do. It just means that, like, I also know that I have to live a full life, to show up every day to be the thing for you, for everyone that I'm helping. But I wake up every day like so excited. I do not hit snooze, I get in a cold punch, I get my walk in. I cannot wait to do the things that I'm doing, and I agree with you. Like, if you are out of alignment, you do almost get sick, you get frustrated, you start lashing out. You know, I guess, like, the question I have because, like, I we, I am in a tech business, which I would never have thought, like, I didn't. I was like, I'm a Pilates instructor and I hear my husband go, oh, we have a tech platform. And I was like, I'm like, we do? It's beautiful. It's so good. Lesley Logan 7:17  Hold on, does anyone notice what colors I'm wearing? Lesley Logan 7:20  Oh, my God, she is wearing OPC color. She's got the OPC hot coral. She's got the OPC turk- she is OPC. So I, I think, like, I think some people get caught up in the part that we're in right now, which is, like, we're in it. We're building something we didn't know. And you're kind of learning as you build a plane. How did you get yourself to trust that you'd figure it out? Because, like, you go from having the goal of a Goals2Life is, and by the way, her B2C was not like, also in tech guys, so this is, like, a whole, I just want to say, like, like it was, this is a 180 from what she was doing. How did you go from like, it's okay that I don't know what I don't know, I'm gonna do it anyways. Like, how did you wrap your head that you'd figure it out?Wendee Close 8:09  I, well, I would just tell everyone, just learn to be as resourceful as you can. And I was not afraid of asking a lot of questions and being vulnerable to the people that I know had the answers, because people really do want to help you, and there's a lot of people out there that if you come and you just being honest and very transparent about where you are and what you're trying to do and that you don't know, they will help you. And so I have made some incredible relationships and found some phenomenal mentors on this journey asking. And then I am just extremely resourceful, and I have confidence to say, you know, there's a lot every day I wake up every single day I'm like, I don't know how to do this. I don't know how to do that. Like today, I'm doing a live with Brooke Riley, and we are going in because I don't know how to go live. You guys. I don't. And guess what? What do I want to do? I wake every day, up every day figuring out how I can reach more people, to impact more people's lives. So guess what Wendee needs to do? I need to get out of my comfort zone. I need to learn how to go live, how I can get in front of more people. Do I want to do it? Not really. But guess what? I do want to impact lives. So guess what Wendee's going to learn? We're going to go live and we're going to learn how I'm going to go live through Goals2Life. I built a plan. She's going to teach me, and we're going to teach other people, but that's like everyday, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to get online and say, I don't know what I'm doing. So you all can watch me not know what I'm doing, but we will learn together, and people will be more vested in what you're doing when you show up that way.Lesley Logan 9:37  I agree. I, thank you for, and also thank you for being vulnerable and you, you and Brad are like people in my life who like you're not afraid to ask people for help or ask people for connection or ask and I didn't grow up like with that. And so I'm always so surprised when I see people do it. But then what it does is it gives me permission to do it too. And so I find myself doing it more, and I'm like, okay, and I don't even have to feel guilty for asking for that, because they are doing it. If they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't do it. And if they don't do it, it's not that they don't want to do it. They might have forgotten. So let's just, hey, are you still going to do that thing? No problem if you're not. Like, you guys have, the two of you, thank God for you. Like, it's a contagious behavior that you have that I needed. So let's talk a bit about Goals2Life. Because, like, you are creating this platform. It is huge. It is robust. It is for the biggest impact of all these people. Why and what do you want people to do with it? Wendee Close 10:36  Oh my gosh. Well, the big why is I want people to live a life of wholeness. We want to help people trade that burnout, that fatigue, for fulfillment and the overwhelm for outcome, by helping them bring their goals to life, but the biggest thing is, in every area of their life. We don't want one person focused on one area and looking back and regretting and understanding that they compromised other areas, just like, Lesley, how you're saying you're going to do an eight hour a day. You have to do that self-care. You have to take care of yourself. Because if you just focused on, oh my gosh, I love what I do, I'm going to work, work, work. That's great. But guess what? You're not going to show up as the best version of you. Something's going to give, and you will get the burnout if you don't take care of yourself. So it's really bringing awareness to people, understanding that we are so multifaceted, and we have to take care of each area, like if you neglect your finances, your relationships, your spiritual connections, your anything like I, mental health, like, you could literally, okay, let's just talk right here. We could be the best Pilates person ever, and have your body so strong, and here you are, but mentally, you're a hot mess. So health is not health, like, that's great. But guess what? If you're not taking care of your mind and having peace in your mind and reducing that stress or anxiety that you might be feeling, then you're really not feeling as if you are truly at peace and in harmony with what you're supposed to. So, yes, first thing first, Goals2Life is to help people, because they, they, everybody, I don't care if you're 10 years old or 90, everybody wants something. They desire something. They need to do something, or they dream of doing something, right? So now it's like, okay, what do they do with that? Most people just spiral it in their head. We empower people to allow them to understand the next step is to actually get it written down. And how do we help them create a plan? Because without a plan, they're just wandering around with a no direction. Have no clarity. They're stressed because they don't know what direction they're going. And then once they write the plan, we have an easy tool and a resource through our system to help them implement and execute the plan so what they can actually achieve the life they want. And that's what we want. People deserve to live the life they want. They just need to know how to do it. And we want to empower them through Goals2Life, to live the life that they really deeply desire. And people just don't know how.Lesley Logan 12:59  Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's true. I mean, like, I think people get so caught up in the how. And there's all these coaches out there, very brilliant people who are like, oh, don't get, don't get stuck on the how, just figure out the why and the what. And it's like, yes. And also, like, people do need to help with that first next step, because if they don't know the first next step, they will just get stuck in this house. So I really love that you've like, created this platform that really helps people, like, create a plan.Wendee Close 13:27  A detailed plan. Sadly, I know people don't want to live in the details. And right now, we're working with a university here in Southern California, University of Irvine UCI.Lesley Logan 13:35  Cool.Wendee Close 13:36  And I have their I have their computer science department, their graduate students working on our platform right now, and you know, we're talking about AI. So AI is built into the system to guide you. We do have over 60,000 data points, so we have recipes for success. You want to feel this way? We'll tell you the strategies and actions. You don't even have to think, but we want people to think. So, we're like, how much do you want AI influencing a life plan for people? And it's interesting, because AI is such a big topic right now, where you know to commit to something, to really commit to change, you do need to know your why, but you have to be vested into the work of creating and thinking about what, what you are willing to do, what you're willing to sacrifice. And you can't let AI do that, and AI can't do the actions for you either. You have to do the work and yeah, so it was interesting a fine line of how much you bring AI into this process, because if you make it too easy, they're not going to end up executing. Sometimes you have to do the work to be more committed.Lesley Logan 14:34  Yeah, I think you have to have some skin in the game, like, there has to be some investment. It's the same reason, like, you know, I got I did a lot for my business, listening to podcasts for free when I didn't have money to invest in coaching, but at some point, I was not willing to take the risk money-wise in my business with these ideas I was hearing on podcasts, until I invested in a like, you have to have some skin in the game so that you actually can do the work. I agree. My girlfriend, Monica, does my photos. She's been on the podcast before. She is like, are you using chatGPT to give you a pep talk in the morning? I was like, no, what are you talking about? Wendee Close 15:10  I haven't heard of that. Okay. That's a new, that's a new, thank you for sharing. Lesley Logan 15:13  She sent me screenshots. And it is like, Monica, you are the best. I mean, like, it is so great. I was like, okay, I clearly need to get up in the morning and say, good morning. Here's what I got going on today. Give me my pep talk. Like, not because I need it, but like, there is something nice about someone else going, you got this. Like, I think that that's really cool. I want to go.Wendee Close 15:33  I love that, by the way, thank you (inaudible) We could all use some motivation, right? Lesley Logan 15:40  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I don't know, some of us listen to music, like, we've had, like podcast guests on before. Like, their Be It Action Item was like, pick up your fave what's your song that's gonna be your Be It song and play it every morning. And that one resonated for me a little bit. But there's something about like, I don't know someone like, like, cheering me on as I get ready in the day, like, I kind of need it, but I, I want to go to like you are so good, and like one of the most generous humans I've ever met is you okay? So you are, like the picture next to the definition of the word generosity with love, all of that. So how do you make sure you don't get lost in the impact you're trying to make in the and being the owner of this business, EE CEO, the wife, the mom, all the things that you do, like, how do you prioritize Wendee? How does that happen? Wendee Close 16:25  Oh, wow, that's, that's great. You know, I was thinking about that because I love human connection, and I love people so much. And sometimes, you know, I know that I give at a 10. Like, you know, some people are like, are you a bucket? Like, where do you go? Because not everybody's at a 10. Some people are at a two, and you can't have those expectations that they want to love on you the same way, but they do love you. They just don't have the capacity to love it that way. So I have to say when I'm doing it, it has to make me feel good like when I'm giving and loving I have to be filling my bucket. The minute I'm start doing things that are not serving me well. I need to set my boundaries and realize, am I doing this because, why am I doing this? Is it because it's actually filling me up, and if it is filling me up, then I will continue to do it, but if it's starting to I'm starting to question if it's taking away and not serving me well, I need to step away. And I think having those evaluations just because it's a behavior or something that I'm used to doing, I have to check myself, time, because time is so valuable, right? But I do know that for me, having I'm not a surface person in any way, shape or form, having meaningful conversations with people where we actually are challenging and supporting each other is really what fills me up. A lot of time with my husband, where we have time to pray and be together and connect and start our day off that way. I do start my day off with a playlist. We have Goals2Life playlists for every goal, type two on Spotify. So I am a music girl, but I do listen to podcasts. So Lesley, keep them coming if you're listening to them, you know, share them with me, because I do. But I think, believe it or not, as much as people think I'm such an extrovert. I'm actually really much of a needing to be quiet and still, so I do a lot of time in the sauna, reflecting and journaling. Also, that's how I take care of myself. I love my infrared sauna. I love to start my morning in there and just secluding myself with myself, and just having peace in the morning and taking care of my thoughts and my body.Lesley Logan 18:19  Yeah, I agree. Like, I know, I know there's a lot of people like, have, like, I have a lot in the morning. I have all this going on. I'm not a morning person. I'm gonna tell you, like, if you that's fine if you could prioritize another time of your day to give to you and your body. But if you're still not, then you gotta figure out how to do it in the morning, because there's something really amazing about, you talk about your cup being, your buckets, like, at a 10. I can tell the difference when I have, like, not done, not have to do my whole routine, because I travel a lot. You travel a lot. Like, I'm not gonna I don't have my sauna with me, my sauna blanket, or my cold plunge in my hotel. Wendee Close 18:53  I know, you're like, dang, when you come home and you're like, whoo. Lesley Logan 18:56  I know, but, but I still like, I'm like, okay, well, I can still do a morning walk, or I can still do a morning meditation. There's there has to be something that is selfishly for me to fill up so that I can show up and be the gregarious introvert you all know me as. That's what Brad calls me, I say high-functioning.Wendee Close 19:16  I agree. And I mean, it's and it's in disguise. People probably are always so shocked when you or I may say that I mean as much as I love and I get that sometime it just drains me too. So I just need to get that quiet time and just be alone and still so I can go and be there for people when I'm out next. Lesley Logan 19:34  Yeah. What are you, like, okay, your particular goal, Goals2Life, building this whole thing out, like, it has different stages, has different processes. It's like ongoing, it's years long, you know, like, I think a lot of people, when they set a goal, it's like something that can often be done in a year, but like, this project that you've taken on, like, I've known you for a few years now, and, you know, like, how what do you say to yourself? What do you like? How do you set yourself? I know it's we know we talked about alignment, and this is thing is in you, but it is hard, like I have for okay, I'm going to talk about myself for a second. OPC is turning eight this year, seven or eight this year, and, and if you had told me in, you know, 2017 when I started everything, that it was going to take me until 2025 for things to, like, fall into place. I don't know that I would have started like. I don't think I would have been like. I think I've been like. That is a long time. I don't know that I have the energy and stamina and money.Wendee Close 20:38  Yeah it's definitely (inaudible).Lesley Logan 20:41  And like money to continue to pour into a business to make it fulfill its dreams. So how do you do that? Because, I mean, like this, it's not like, this thing is free, and you're just like, you know.Wendee Close 20:53  Yeah, building a tech company is probably one of the most expensive front end. Like our first business, we had a really low overhead, and were able to bring profit in really quick to, like, grow it, you know. But this is a whole different thing, because you build before you get and what you're building is not something that is low cost. So, you know, especially when you're building it as robust as we are, and it's so layered. Yes, I mean, it is a complete faith project for me, I will have to, and it's not faith, of like, oh yeah, it's not a business, it's a massive business. But it's like, I am 1,000% clear that I am, I am the person, and I have been given the gifts and capacity to bring this out to the world, and I am. There's no turning back for me. So like, when I make a decision, I am going to give it my all, and I trust that God's gonna, like, open the doors and in His perfect time, I know it's not, it's not if this is going to impact lives worldwide. I am 1,000% confident, and let's just, quote me on this, I just don't know when, but it will happen. And it's like, really giving me constantly being around people like you, Lesley, that we just keep cheering each other on, or maybe our chatGPT also cheering us on, and our friends just giving words of encouragement, saying, girl, I get you, like I'm there, like we got this, like, just having each other's back and having people on your journey that are there to just truly support you. But yes, this is hard. Like, this is the story. I mean, I had yesterday and the day before, two really, really amazing, inspiring humans that are almost like mentors to me. They're like, Wendee, this is your story. This story that is, it's not going to break you, like, it's going to refine you to the person that you need to be so you can do what you're being called to do, like, this is hard, really freaking you want to cry sometimes, but you're still joyful, and your heart was like, this is so hard.Lesley Logan 22:42  Yeah, yeah, it I feel you like it is, it's, it's so hard. But also, everything is hard. You know, I once heard like I read, I've quoted this book before, because it's that good. Y'all have to read, it's called Big Magic, and she quotes a guy whose name I'm not remembering, but she quotes a guy, and it's Elizabeth Gilbert's book, and it's from years ago, like probably 2017, 2016, from years ago. And she quotes a guy who says life is a shit sandwich, and you just got to choose a shit that you can chew. Like it's got bread, some great stuff, some shit in the middle, some other great dressing and some bread. Like, just know that everything, every idea you have, every broad project you have, every goal you have, there's gonna be some shit in the middle that you're gonna have to chew up and tolerate and do, and it's hard. And so when I read that, I was like, oh, so it's not, this isn't just hard for me. Like, everyone has a hard everyone's going through it, and so I guess that should make you even feel good, because you're like, okay, I'm on the right path. I'm in the muck.Wendee Close 23:52  Well, no, truly, I mean, and it's just also being really intentional what you feed your brain. Like, I know that what we listen to, who we put around our lives, like even from the music to the if I don't really watch much TV, I don't have time, but like everything, I have to be very careful with what I'm listening to and who's around me, because it impacts and so I have to have things that are moving me in a forward direction and not spiraling me back. So because every you need to show up in a way like right now, I just went on a 40 day reset of resetting my hormones, resetting my metabolism and just getting my brain and everything in perfect alignment to have clarity so I could show up as a best version of me to do the work that I'm being you know, you can't be out drinking every night and eating whatever you want and feeling like crap and trying to show up as you gotta walk the walk, and you gotta yep and say, like, if I'm the one being called to do this, I need to take care of myself so I could show up this way and have the have what you need, because it's a lot of grit. It's a lot of grit. And it's like, I remember, okay, so there was a guy I helped his startup he ended up actually selling for, like, I think, two or $3 billion I mean, there's a big difference between two and three, but hey, in the billions, anyway. So I, when I talked to him, and I still talked to him, he said, are you sure you want to do this? You cannot do this for someone else. This will be the hardest thing you're going to do. And I'm warning you that if you think that you're being inspired by someone else to do it. It has to be so deeply in you, and you have to be so passionate about it, because this will probably be the one of the hardest things, and you have to have so much grit and so much hustle to make this happen. And I'm like, nope, it's in me. And I remember seeing him. I went to Utah to see my daughter, and I went and I went and met him at his office. I'm like, okay, I'm feeling it. This is hard, but I'm still happy. I'm still like, yeah, I'll take the challenge. This is going to be so much fun to do. Yeah. Lesley Logan 25:54  Thank you for sharing that. I think, I thank him for, like, telling you that. I think, like, you know, some people can hear that and think, why would this person try to talk you out of it? But I think, like, it's almost like you gotta talk yourself, like it's, it's you, it's important to know what you're up against so that you can make the best decision for not just you, but your family, those you love, all the things, because they're part of it too, even if they're not on the payroll, like they're in the journey, you know they're sharing you with, with this goal. Wendee Close 26:25  Oh, I, just sharing like I'm empty nester right now, no, kids. I'm some bird launcher. Let's think positive, right? I launched my babies out into the world, and so it's me and my hubby. Lesley Logan 26:33  I, okay, hold on, you're a bird launcher. Yes, we should start changing that, because empty nester sounds like, oh my God, are you okay? But a bird launcher.Wendee Close 26:41  I'm like, hell. I did a great job with these babes. Lesley Logan 26:45  Also, don't we want them to go off and fly? All these kids are coming back to the nest, and I think that that's not so good.Wendee Close 26:51  No, thank you. No, thank you. But yeah, so, you know, it's just all perspective, but it's interesting, because, you know, time blocking is important, setting boundaries is important because I don't want my husband to feel you know, I need to prioritize, because it's now the two of us. It's our time to be together and prioritize and enjoy one another, create experiences, and then also, here I am doing a startup. So bless his heart, but yes, no making sure that I am prior, he's feeling like a priority as we have launched our babes, and it's the two of us at home. He's not feeling second fiddle. So, you know, time blocking those things, it was interesting. Okay, so I, one thing you didn't ask, well, you kind of did, but I didn't say it, um, how I do things is, if it's not on your calendar, it's not going to happen. And you guys know, like with Lesley, she's really good about making sure things are on our calendar, and she has people helping. And same here. If something is a priority to you, if it's a goal, it needs to be on your calendar. If it's not on your calendar, it's not a priority to you. So you've got to look at your calendar and make sure that you see not heavily weighted in one area, that you see that there's different things on there that you are actually prioritizing beside one thing, because something will get. So I will tell you this morning, before I came in, I made sure I'm having a date night with my son on April 1st with my mom. I have a date night to celebrate my reset with my husband this I'm going to an amazing restaurant with him on Thursday and Saturday, so you know, and I'm just booking like, what's important? I need to, if it's important that I do a date night with my husband, that we celebrate our progress, that we I gotta get it on the calendar, that I see my son, that I see my mom, like the people that matter, that, you know, you make time for it. Even time blocking I want to move this project along, time blocking time to work on it. So time blocking is huge for me, and setting aside evening like sleep routines and morning routines and all sorts of things. Lesley Logan 28:41  Yeah, it's, I mean, and that's, we have a fun way that we, like teach you how to put their, like, work schedule together. Because a lot of people we work with, they go, they kind of only get paid if they're working. Now, if you do the math the way we teach you, then you're getting paid for your time off too, and the time that you're working on your business, all that stuff. But all that being said, the way we do it there's like, your priorities have to go in first, and your sleep is the first one. Like, it has to be in there. You have to put that in because if you are fitting sleep in between everything else, you can only go so long doing that. And once you hit 40, good luck, ladies, good luck. Your body will literally hate you back. Like, you'll be like, okay, you didn't treat me well. So here we go. This is what we get. So I couldn't agree more. I think, like, you know it's been said, like, show me your calendar. I can show you what your, what your priorities are. And also, like, it's okay. Like, I had a coach whose coach told her, if you get three things done in a day every day, let's just do it, like, five days a week. That's 15 things that you got done times four. I can't do that math in my 60 things, 60 things in a month. That's a lot of things, you know, but we're all trying to, like, you know, do all 60 things in a day, and then we wonder why we're exhausted and tired, and it's not that we're not moving the needle forward because. Can't have that many plates going this doesn't work like that. So I love that you talked about time blocking and priorities, and also appreciate you sharing, like, what that looks like. Because I think sometimes we think like, oh, it must be like during the day seven hours. It's like, no, you can have dedicated quality time at dinner at a really amazing place you've never been to have a shared experience. Bones flipped off like, you know, enjoy each other and that can't that actually can be enough, you know, so that you guys have something to look forward to, but also something to talk about other people.Wendee Close 30:29  Yes. I mean, it's so important, whether it be a relational setting aside time to work on the things that will, you know, help, help you in each area. Can I just say something really, Lesley brought up a really important thing when I mentioned sleep. So one of the big reasons why I shifted is I had a major burnout. And believe it or not, there was out of alignment, was one part of it, but the other one was me lack of sleep. I thought that I was Wonder Woman. I had the capacity to do all things. I'm Mmiss Energizer Bunny. I didn't need sleep. I thought it was a weird human that didn't need sleep, but I did all the perfect things, like, if you were to name like, what is all the things in every area of their life that you do and I was doing it all, but what wasn't I doing? I wasn't sleeping enough. And so what happened? I got massive burnout, and that had to do because I wasn't sleeping. So now, like, sleep is one of the biggest priorities for me. So I will just let you know. Like, yes, when you say that and it sounds weird, like, oh, but you think this is better, and you're doing all these other things if sleep should be right up there at the very top.Lesley Logan 31:25  Yeah, it's thank you for I mean, like, Brad is also Brad thought he could, like, go without sleep. He's like, I'll sleep when I'm dead. You know. Wendee Close 31:33  Oh yes, that's what my husband said. Lesley Logan 31:34  Yeah and no, no, as a very young kid, he ended up like, you know, at the doctors with them going, you gotta sleep, dude. Like, you have to, you have to sleep, you know, so, so it's, I know, it feels like a waste. It's like, literally, when your body repairs, so no amount of Pilates, water, protein, nutrition, no, you cannot.Wendee Close 31:34  Meditation, any of it. Yeah.Lesley Logan 31:55  No, you cannot out nutrition. Like, and you don't, I don't know, and I will say, like, I'm not someone who says you have to have eight hours. Like, eight hours. Like, there's actual studies that show some people can do six. Some people need nine. Women tend to need more than men. But also, like, I have found that seven hours is really good for me. I can run off six and a half, but I'm gonna have to get some a little over seven in there. Seven and a half not a problem. More than that, unless I'm sleep deprived. It's too much for me. I actually wake up groggy. So, you have to test that for yourself. And by the way, there are like you can use Goals2Life to figure that out. You can make a plan and go, okay, how am I going to figure out how much sleep I need? I know my friend Kareen thought like she needed to sleep until 10, and when she actually work with a sleep person, they're like, no. If you fall asleep when you're tired and you wake up, you technically go to bed around 10, and you wake up at five, naturally, like you at 5 a.m. she's like, I'm a morning person. I had no idea.Wendee Close 32:48  I know I'm building your whole circadian rhythm. It's amazing, you guys. But when in the time blocking of setting your nighttime routines and adding like your bedtime to your calendars is and even your eating times and all this anyways, so Goals2Life does have calendar integration with, like, Outlook and Gmail or Google Calendar, so it really helps. So your goal plan is in complete alignment. But yeah, when people are like, oh, it's a priority, but they're not putting it on their calendar, I'm like, no, it's really not. It's not really your goal. How bad do you want it? You're not making time for it. You're filling it with, like, unproductive things that aren't moving the needle forward.Lesley Logan 33:20  Yeah, yeah, I agree. Wendee, I lit, I literally could talk to you forever. We'll have to, we'll have do this again when we'll do another check in, see how all this is going. We're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and Goals2Life with you. Wendee Close 33:33  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 33:34  All right, Wendee, where? Where do they need to go? Where do you hang out? Where are the links? Where are we going?Wendee Close 33:40  Okay, all right. So you can go to Goals2Life.com and that's with the 2 so like, we're bringing your goals to life. So, goals2life.com and there is a sign up page right there where you could sign up for Goals2Life. Right now, we have a 30-day free trial to check into the system. We have community. We have a lot of amazing things. You can also follow us on Instagram or Facebook and our YouTube channel. Very inspired. Lesley has inspired me, okay, another person who is helping me, inspire me to have a YouTube channel, and it's under Wendee Close. So follow the journey of me actually bringing my goals to life, live. And you know, hey on the go. So that's what we'll be doing. And I hope that you guys can all join the Goals2Life movement of actually implementing and executing and achieving your goals. Lesley Logan 34:25  I hope you all do. I think it's really cool. It's nice to have a tool to help you, like you can have all the ideas and all the advice, but like, sometimes we do need a tool, just like my friend Monica is using chatGPT as a tool to pep talk her in the morning, like we it's you don't have to be a superhuman who, like, somehow remembers all these things. You've given us so much already, to be completely honest. But I really want to hear your bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us, babe?Wendee Close 34:52  Okay, all right. So for bold, I want people to own their next level identity, so within Goals2Life they can create that identity through our goal pathways and align it to who they want to become. So I want people to ask themselves, what would my future self do today and actually do it in action. Because we're all about action. Make it executable. The E is executable. We're all about execution. So take small, intentional steps daily. So we'll, in Goals2Life we'll help you break the big goals into micro movements. And so I'm going to ask you to ask yourself, what is one step that I can take today and actually take it? Take the action, and then the I is intrinsic? So align your goals with purpose, as I've talked about a lot, like aligning what you want with a purpose, and make sure it's in alignment with your values and principles. So in Goals2Life, we want you to set goals that will actually matter. So we're going to ask you to ask yourself, why does this matter to me what I want to do? You need to know why it matters to you so you're deeply rooted into the commitment of actually fulfilling what you committed to through your goal. And then the T is target. So set clear, measurable milestones that you can have a target on and in Goals2Life we will turn, , your vague hopes or your ideas into actual, tangible outcomes. And we want you to ask yourself, how will I measure the progress? And in Goals2Life we can help you measure your progress so you can celebrate and actually achieve. Lesley Logan 36:18  I love, at the Be It Pod we celebrate every Friday, and we should be celebrating all the time. We celebrate on Fridays, just in case you didn't take time. I truly love those. I think that, like, I feel like you almost defined the Be It Action Items in a way, it's like, perfect that you know, in a way that, like, I always hope people understand, like, why this podcast exists is just to help you take the next step to be the person you want to be, as if you're already that person, and that's you, literally, Wendee, are a shining example of that, but also what you're creating is like literally the tools people need to do it. So thank you for being you. Thank you for Goals2Life. My Be It Pod listener, what are you gonna do? Be It babe, what are you gonna do? How are you using these tips in your life? What was your favorite takeaway? Make sure you tag Goals2Life. Tag Wendee Close. Tag the Be It Pod. We want to celebrate with you. We want to be part of your journey. We want to know how this is going and send this to a friend who needs to hear it. Because sometimes it's like your friends need to hear it from a different, a different setting, a different, the same words from a different set of voices to help them get out of the rut, take the next step, get into alignment. So thank you, Wendee, for being you and a dear friend. Wendee Close 37:23  One other thing, you are a Goal Expert in Goal Select. So, you guys, we promote people as fabulous as Lesley, and we have experts across the nation. She is our Pilates expert. And she is amazing, as you guys all know, and so she is a huge part of the movement in the physical goal set. So thank you, Lesley, for for believing in Goals2Life and being part of our community and being an expert, also.Lesley Logan 37:47  I'm, it's an honor. I'm so excited. I can't wait to see where we go with this together, like, and that's the coolest thing about like, people like you and myself and Brad and all these other people who we all get to we all get to do this together. You know, even though we're apart, we're like our but our ships can, like, you know, tag on and tug through and like, we can do this together. And that's, that's you, too, as you listen, Be It babe, like you have your friends, if they are growing then you all get to grow together. And that's where things get to be really, really fun. So, everyone, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 38:12  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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In this Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley Logan reminds us to pause and acknowledge our growth. She shares the story of record-breaking astronaut Sunita Williams, celebrates a huge community win from Heather Ingram, and talks about intentionally taking time to rest before a busy tour. It's your reminder that wins, big or small, deserve to be honored.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The inspiring space journey and career of astronaut Sunita Williams.Heather Ingram's confidence breakthrough after years of dedication.The importance of recognizing your growth and trusting your gut.The benefits of taking time off before the start of a big tour.Episode References/Links:Sunita Williams - https://www.instagram.com/p/DHrAX5tJajs If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:47  Hello, you guys. Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. Welcome. How are you? This is where we do a quick, quick episode celebrating your wins. You might, you might hear your win, and it's going to be later than you sent it, so it'll be a reminder of a win you had, and you get to hear a win of mine, and hopefully that helps you see that there's like, wins happening all the time, and then some inspiration and affirmation. Lesley Logan 1:06  So okay, so I saved this back when everyone was, like, up in a tizzy about the all those rich women who went to space, and of course, there were some people who went on there who are actual scientists and have done some amazing things in this world to, like, change things. So we don't discount that there were some epic things going on there, but I remember it happening around the same time that Sunita Williams came back from she was there for 286 days. Okay, so we're gonna talk about her. I'm just gonna read the actual thing. The actual post. This is from Female Quotient, and I'll put the link in the show notes. But she was supposed to go to space for like, eight days, and ended up there for nine months. And so I remember this happened. I'm like, what if she, like, parked and just like, long term parking. Like, you went away for eight days, so you have, like, what a dog set up for eight days, but now you're gone for nine months. Like, just, can you imagine all the things? Like, do you have? All the things you need? I'm just hopefully, I don't know if she has a cycle. I'm just, like, a little worried about that. Anyways. So meet and welcome home, obviously, she's been home for a bit, but let's just talk about her, because we need to, she did not get enough press, and we have to, let's do that, Be It babes together. Sunita Williams, record-breaking astronaut, pilot and trailblazer, who returned to Earth after 286 in space with fellow astronaut, Butch Wilmore. One of the most experienced spacewalkers in the world, she holds the record for the most spacewalks by a woman. Williams, originally from Ohio, was a U.S. Navy helicopter pilot who logged 3000 flight hours and 30 different aircrafts before becoming a NASA astronaut. Fast forward eight years, and she took her first space flight aboard the ISS. Her career accomplishments are out of this world and growing. Spent 608 plus days in space, ran the Boston Marathon in space on a treadmill, oh, my God, completed nine spacewalks totaling over 60 hours, was the first person to pilot a spacecraft using only touch screen controls., was the first woman to command the International Space Station twice, among the first astronauts chosen for NASA's Artemis missions, aiming to bring humans to the moon. More Fun Facts, during her most recent mission, because of her high speed, 28,000 kilometer per hour and low gravity, Sunita technically experienced time slower than us on Earth. She grew space lettuce, helping NASA study space food production, because the ISS orbits Earth every 90 minutes, she witnessed 16 sunrises and 16 sunsets per day. Oh, my God, so Sunita Williams shows us that strength, curiousity and resilience can really take you places. Sunita, thanks for being a badass. Thank you for your 286 days on, you know, up there and like, what an inconvenience. And also, like, for just like, I mean, not being scared to do, like, some crazy stuff, like, you're just, we need more. Like, that's the news I want to hear. Why didn't I hear that? Why do I have to hear about like, Katy Perry going to space like, I don't really care. Anyways, that's just me. Lesley Logan 3:48  Okay, now it's time for one of your wins. Heather Ingram. I had an opportunity to sub a bunch of hours at a studio this week, and had two new clients in my studio as well. I had some moments of awe at how more comfortable, confident and knowledgeable I am as an instructor, and I said to myself, self, you're a great instructor. Will there always be more to learn and apply? Absolutely. But after pursuing this passion the past seven years of teaching, I'm so much more confident, and I'm attracting a great client tribe, and I'm more in tune with listening to my gut and being in practice versus perfection with clients my self practice and my business. Thanks to all the communities in Agency, eLevate, OPC, I feel grateful to know what it feels like to be firing a little bit more on all cylinders, and some days will always just be hard, but everything feels a bit better. Plus, the sun has been out in Seattle for eight days straight, so maybe that's it, too. Heather Ingram, yes, girl, yes. Oh my God. I love it so much. I love it so much. I think that's like, a huge that's such a big win. I'm just going to leave it with one win from you all just because I just want to let that all sink in. Like, how many times have you been like, investing in learning, investing in growing, investing in time and energy and understanding something? And how many of those times you sit back and go, whoa. Look what I, look how far I've come. Like, how often have you looked in the rear view mirror, like, what a badass am I? I'm like, celebrate before you hit that next peak. Like, Heather, your win, I think truly is one of the biggest wins we could have. Like, I think sometimes we think, oh, I don't have a big win because I haven't been to space yet. But like, understanding, acknowledging and celebrating like that you're doing a badass job. That is, like, probably one of the biggest wins ever. And I'm so, so stoked for you. So thank you for sharing that. Lesley Logan 5:23  All right, now it's time for one of my wins. So, you guys, I'm currently in Los Angeles visiting friends, and that's my win. I'm about to go on a big tour, our summer tour, and you'll hear more about that in the future episodes. But I have had, like, I've tried many different things on, like, oh, let's do a vacation at the end of the tour. Let's try to do some days off in the tour. And we are doing that. But most of the people are like, oh, I couldn't go on vacation before something, because, like, I have that thing on my mind. Let me just tell you, yes, the tour is on my mind, and yes, there is promo happening about it. But also I like, gotta be honest, I'm so excited to take some well-rested spa time before I go on tour. So I'm going on a spa day with some girlfriends. I'm seeing some friends I haven't seen in a long time, because we don't go to go to L.A. as often as possible, as we used to, like, just seemed like things were easier when you couldn't travel anywhere else, but where you could drive. Like, we went to L.A. almost monthly. And so here we are, like, like, I don't know when the last time we were there, so I'm just super, super excited, and that's my win. So if you plan some time off for yourself, you need to pat yourself on the back. Give yourself a high five. You just had a win. Lesley Logan 6:28  All right. Affirmation, affirmation. Be good to yourself. Be good to yourself. Be good to yourself. Are you being good to yourself? Like, what? Yes, be good to yourself. You're a badass, you're amazing. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 6:46  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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In this recap episode, Lesley and Brad explore the foundational role of our feet in overall body health. Reflecting on Lesley's conversation with board-certified chiropractor and co-founder of Gait Happens, Dr. Jenifer Perez, they unpack the surprising impact foot function has on posture, mobility, and even mental health. You'll learn why toe strength matters, how modern shoes may be hurting you, and simple, effective steps to reclaim your foot health from the ground up.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The connection between foot function and whole-body movement.How toe strength directly affects your risk of falling.The hidden impact of modern footwear on foot dysfunction.How foot pain can lead to emotional and cognitive decline.How to shop more intentionally for shoes that actually support you.Episode References/Links:eLevate Workout and Q&A - https://lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlistAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniOPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comSubmit your questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsGait Happens Affiliate Link - https://gaithappens.com?ref=mwe4ndk (Code: "LESLEY") If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the grounding convo I had with Dr. Jenifer Perez in our last episode. If you haven't yet watched that episode, listen to that episode. You, your feet are missing out, and that means your whole body is missing out. Brad Crowell 0:59  Gait Happens. Lesley Logan 1:10  I am so excited that this is finally in your ears, you guys. I can't even, I've been waiting for this to come out. Anyways, they're really, really amazing. But before you get into your feet, today is July 10th 2025 and it's Global Energy Independence Day. We observe Global Energy Independence Day on July 10th yearly. It aims to raise awareness about the importance of alternative fuels. We are currently using fossil fuels as our sources, and they need replacing. Fossil fuels are non renewable and require a very long time, millions of years to form. They also are a source of pollution. On this day, on this day, we raise awareness against fossil fuels and focus on finding alternative sources that are renewable and relatively non-polluting source of energy. Michael D. Antonovich, a member of the L.A. County Board of Supervisors. Brad Crowell 2:16  Antonovich. Lesley Logan 2:17  Antonovich. Brad Crowell 2:18  Antonovich. Lesley Logan 2:18  Well, I think you could have done either way. Yeah. L.A. County Board of Supervisors started this day in 2006. Brad Crowell 2:25  Good for him. Lesley Logan 2:25  I know. And so we should all so do you know? Just like, just look at what you can, you know, obviously, some don't come at me. I know some of you live in places where you can't have electric car because it's going to be negative 30 and, you know, whatever, and that's hard. But like, what can't what what renewable resources can you use? You know, like, what can you switch out? Or how, like, what can you reduce or what can you be more thoughtful of? Maybe, instead of driving to work every day, you carpool with people, you know, just like things like that, because, like our friends, we've talked about them before, they take each other's kids to school. So instead of two cars going to the same school from the same neighborhood every day, they have one. Brad Crowell 3:05  Yeah, I love that. I mean, also too, you know what the grid taking more abuse because things are getting hotter and colder, it's important to have energy independence, even for your house. Yeah. How do we do that? You know how my parents used to do it? Firewood, you know? I mean, that's creating smoke when they're burning it. But I don't think there's that. I don't think there's a a full way out of non-pollution, because batteries take, you know, an effort to mine and make, but, but like, you know, fossil fuels also take energy to mine and make, mine and form and stuff like that. to Lesley Logan 3:34  People had to come out but, like, oh, well, what about the bat the electric car battery, and how long it takes. And it's like, okay, but the ozone layer, like the ozone layer, guys? Brad Crowell 3:46  Yeah. I mean, there's still a lot of issue with getting the materials to make the batteries themselves. But, you know, I think that there's, it's inevitable we need to transition away from what we've been doing for the past 100 years that has actually damaged our planet. Lesley Logan 4:00  And also, fight with the cities to make sure they have public transportation that is easier to use, because, like, if you could take a train or a bus rather than co-drive your car. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying that you don't, like, we don't have electric cars, but what I am saying is, like, we also don't drive every day. You know, like we there's a certain thing that we what can we be thoughtful about? You know, like, how can we be thoughtful? We talked about this other day, about, like, the plants that you plant, like, are they native plants so that they don't need as much water, like, all these different things, so that, you know, you could just, we can keep this fucking world somewhat livable. Brad Crowell 4:36  Keep this world. Global Energy Independence Day is today, July 10th.Lesley Logan 4:41  All right. Brad Crowell 4:42  Yesterday, we hosted the eLevate workout. So if you missed it, the replay is available on the website. It's a workout that you could take for free. The reason that we hosted that workout is so that we could also answer questions that you actually might have about Lesley's mentorship program. It's a nine month program. It's called eLevate. It's specifically for Pilates teachers to help them tie everything together when it comes to this Pilates method that we have inherited here from from our dear Joe Pilates guy. Lesley Logan 5:10  Our dear Joe. Brad Crowell 5:11  Our dear Joe. The reality is that the way that marketing has taken the world by storm when it comes to Pilates is that most people just think Pilates is one of the many pieces of equipment that are involved in the system of Pilates, and they just don't know all of the other pieces. And often what happens in our training is that there's a major focus on one or two pieces of equipment, and people don't see the bigger picture. And so during eLevate, it allows you the opportunity to dive in on the Cadillac, the chairs, the barrels, and then, of course, also the Reformer and the mat. But you know, it brings it all together. Lesley Logan 5:47  It and it's even if you've like, I want to highlight it brings it all together. Even if you've learned all these things, are you using them as a system? Brad Crowell 5:54  Sure. Lesley Logan 5:54  Because that's something that, like, I think, is the most mind-blowing part of it all for the eLevators is to, like, see how all these exercises work together. And it's not like I'm doing Reformer Pilates, I'm doing Tower Pilates, I'm doing Wunda Chair Pilates. You're doing Pilates. Brad Crowell 6:09  I only do Toe Corrector Pilates, people, okay.Lesley Logan 6:11  Well, on this episode, I think we can be okay with that. All right. Next week, July 17th, Agency Mini is back. This is for Pilates instructors and studio owners who run their own business or want to run their own business, not for the Pilates employees, love you, but you there's not. Brad Crowell 6:29  Well, you can come in and join us. There's no reason you can't do that, but you're going to feel frustrated because you don't have control to adjust the things that we're going to be discussing.Lesley Logan 6:39  Yeah, or you can come because, you know you want to be doing that. Brad Crowell 6:42  That's right. I was gonna I was gonna argue it's still valuable, because maybe that's what you want to do in the future, is open up your own space, or have a home studio, or take some clients on the side, where you are in control of what you're charging. Lesley Logan 6:53  It's also okay to love being an employee like we love (inaudible). Brad Crowell 6:55  Totally is, 100%. Lesley Logan 6:57  So in Agency Mini, it's three days. We'll have a live webinar. We'll have a day where you do your homework, you can choose to use the Lesley on Demand tool. And then we'll have an office hours day complete with breath work. And there is two days of replay. So even if you are busy the 17th and 19th of 17th through 19th of July, you'll have two extra days for those replays. Brad Crowell 6:57  Three. 21st and 22nd of replays. Lesley Logan 7:17  Look how generous you are. That clearly was not something I said. So anyways, you guys, look at that. And if you go to prfit.biz/mini you can sign up. It's 62.50 right now. But there's ways to get coaching call with us. Even though you're not an Agency member, there's a lot of different little extra goodies in there.Brad Crowell 7:29  Yeah, I mean, 62.50 the value of the overall value is 980 bucks, y'all, we're set we're offering it to you for 62.50, so go to prfit.biz that's profit without the O dot biz slash mini.Lesley Logan 7:48  And then in a couple weeks, we leave for summer tour.Brad Crowell 7:51  I'm so excited this, y'all, Lesley and I have had a mission to make the van hospitable in more extreme weather, and we've been able to pull it off. We finally got an air conditioner heater inside of the van. So that. Lesley Logan 8:05  Yeah, because we had a fan before for last summer tour. And let me just tell you, if it's 100 degrees out and the fan is just sucking out hot air, it's not really cold.Brad Crowell 8:15  It's not bringing in any cold air. It's bringing in what's outside. So, in this case, we actually now have an AC unit and heater, so when we're in the cold, we can kick it on. When we're in the heat, we can kick it on. And so that's been really, really exciting. And we're gonna kick those tires, as it were, on this tour. It's 4500 miles. We're gonna be gone for 25 days, and we're gonna be doing our very first international tour, y'all, we're going up into Canada. We're going to hit three cities up in Canada. We're going to hit another 13 cities in the United States, and we can't wait to meet you in person. We're going to take Bayon with us. You get to hang with him, and he's just so fun. So go to opc.me/tour that's opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan 8:58  And there's a virtual option on this tour as well. So if you can't go to this in person, there are two workshops that are virtually we will be doing hybrid. And so we invite you, if you're filling the FOMO, to sign up for those. Brad Crowell 9:09  And if you're trying to figure out where they are, they're in Calgary. Okay, so when you go to opc.me/tour, click on the Calgary stop in there, you'll see there's two workshops. They're going to be those virtual workshops. Good point. Love that. It is the first time we've ever offered that available to everybody. So that's, that's a big deal. So check that out. All right. Next up, we are going to be in the U.K.Lesley Logan 9:10  We're still touring. It's just a different tour, instead of the OPC Summer Tour, it's the U.K. Mullet Tour, and it's business in the front and Pilates in the back. So there's business, like life-type workshop in the morning and then Pilate workshops in the daytime, plus a class if you are there's two locations. You can go to Leeds or Essex or both. There's only one workshop that crosses over and you want to go to opc.me/uk there are day passes for the Essex stop, because that is during the week. Yep, we're doing a workshop on a Tuesday and a Wednesday, because sometimes that's the best day. And then we have the weekend, the Saturday, Sunday options are at the Leeds location and that that only has a couple spots left. So opc.me/uk to get your spots for that.Brad Crowell 10:10  And then finally, come join us in Cambodia. We'll be there in October. It's going to be just an amazing trip. We're really, really looking forward to it. It's going to be one of those, like, markers in your life, where you get to look back on and go, remember when it's going to be one of those, like, literally, we have people who have gone on this trip, and then they've talked about it so much when they got home that they came back with their friends the next year. It's happened three times now over the years. Lesley Logan 10:38  Three times. Brad Crowell 10:38  Three different times we've had repeat visitors, because it's just one of those trips that is mind-blowing. So, crowsnestretreats.com. Come do Pilates. Come eat amazing food. Meet awesome people and actually take a break from life. Take a retreat. Take a retreat. Come join us. All right, before we get into this great gait conversation that we have with Jenifer Perez, trying to be cute there, we had a question, and it was from @MailSandyMurali from YouTube asks, "Can you talk about flat cervical neck or herniation in cervical areas and the effect of exercises such as jackknife?Lesley Logan 11:16  Okay, so the Jackknife exercise is one of many exercises and Pilates that you go overhead. And so if you have stuff going on with your neck, like herniation, you don't, it's not for you. Brad Crowell 11:27  Not allowed. Don't do it. Lesley Logan 11:28  No. So if you have a flat neck, and there's no pain or contraindications, like you just have, like a military spine, yeah, it's just like Brad. Brad Crowell 11:37  Brad has this. Lesley Logan 11:38  You, you can do overhead exercises, that being said, they're going to be much harder, because we've got to be able to flex your thoracic spine and stand on those shoulders so you, so Jackknife does not it no overhead exercise should be weight on your neck at all. It's not like a shoulder stand in yoga, like there's no and actually there's no weight on your neck there you're using blankets, if you do it correctly, to be up on your shoulders, but there's no weight on your neck. You are on your shoulders. But typically, if you have a herniation of the neck, have to be mindful of the things you're doing with your shoulders, and especially the weight you're putting there, because it's very easy for you to strain that, right? So, so if you have a flat cervical neck, and there's no issues, no conjugations, we just have to really build up your shoulder stability. You can stand on that. But if you have anything going on, fusions, herniation, stenosis, things like that, with your neck, guess what you get to do, so many other exercises, so many. Brad Crowell 12:33  499 other exercises.Lesley Logan 12:35  Yeah, yeah, double. Brad Crowell 12:36  Well, any of them that are not going upside down in the back. Lesley Logan 12:39  Well, and also, Jackknife is a flex like a dynamic exercise, where you flex your spine, and then you stand on your shoulders, and then you guide everything down with your core, and then you work the legs away. So double straight leg stretch is great for you. Elephant is great for you. Up stretch up stretch combo is going to be good for you if you can get to extension. But up stretch for sure. So, like, there's just so many so don't ever, ever let overhead exercises like being outside of your practice make you go, oh, I'll never be advanced. No, an advanced practitioner means that even beginner exercises are hard for you, so just omit those things that are overhead and replace them. Like if you're doing OPC classes, you'd replace Jackknife with an exercise that was challenging for you. Boom, there you go.Brad Crowell 13:19  I dig it. Well, that's a that's a really helpful explanation, and thanks for writing in your question. If you have a question, please join us by going to beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions and you can submit a question there, or you can submit a win. If you listen to the pod, you're very familiar with our Friday episodes, where we get to celebrate you. This is the easiest way for you to send that in. Send in your questions beitpod.com/questions. Yeah, let's do it, people, let's get to it. Brad Crowell 13:49  Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this really helpful conversation that Lesley had with Dr. Jenifer Perez. All about the feet. Brad Crowell 13:57  Okay, now let's talk about Dr. Jenifer Perez. Dr. Perez is a is a doctor of chiropractics and a lower extremity specialist, as well as the co-founder and vice president of Gait Happens G-A-I-T gait as in, how you walk. A platform dedicated to helping people understand, strengthen and reclaim their foot health. Though initially uninterested in feet, her perspective shifted after discovering the critical role they play in overall biomechanics. Today, she empowers people through evidence-based tools and exercises that address common issues like foot pain, plantar fasciitis and bunions. Her mission is to help people move better, starting from the ground up.Lesley Logan 14:39  Yeah, I mean so many things I like that she said, I actually still follow them and like, do their tips, and I am a big fan of their toe spacers. And we do have an affiliate link, and we do have discounts for you. So make sure you go into the show notes. I think the code is Lesley, if I'm not mistaken, just L-E-S-L-E-Y but you'll have our links in there. Get the tools you need. I like the little to spreaders, I like, like little TheraBands for my toes, which is really, really fun. So anyways, one of the things that I love that she said is our feet are our foundation, and how they interact with the ground has a huge influence on the rest of our body. I would say it is the influence on the rest of our body, right, like how your feet hit the ground, how your how you roll through your whole foot, or don't right, if you roll at the side of your foot, or if you're avoiding your big toe because it hurts or it aches, or, you know, anything like that, like that kind of stuff affects how your body is moving through the world. And she said modern footwear is a major contributor to foot dysfunction. And we talked a lot about modern footwear, and like, Brad, save its handles and, and just like, you know, I've been really interested in this. I was buying some new weight training shoes, and I was quite specific. And, like, look at the weight training she was like, okay, how do I get ones that have a wide toe box for my foot? How do I get ones that don't that I can, like, really feel my feet on the ground that, you know, like, I, I really happen to, like, the ones I'm using. It's almost like I'm not wearing shoes, which is really nice, but they're not, they're not like Vibrams or whatever, but they're really, really great. So I just think that, like, we need to be more conscientious of the shoes that we're buying and how we're doing this is affecting our whole body. And she said, because your body can only move in the range of motion that's allowed if you're working with shoes that don't let you roll through your feet because they're really stiff, or you're working, you know, you're walking around in heels, they have a time and a place my loves, but like, it affects how your whole body moves, and that's why your back can hurt, or your hips can hurt, or things like that. And she said there's a ton of small things you can do to add to your foot health each day. So you guys, like, right here, while you're listening to this pod like you can actually massage your foot, like you could have, we have a noboso ball that is in Brad's office, and we just both toss it on the floor. We're watching TV, and we, like, roll our feet on this ball, because it's so good for spreading the bone, spreading the toes, things like that. So you gotta give your feet a little love. That's what she said. Brad Crowell 16:56  Yeah, I was listening, when I was listening to the interview, what struck me was the progression that we make inadvertently a negative progression, so I guess it's a regression in our foot health when we try to solve the problem by putting them into comfy shoes, right? So we put it into a shoe that we're like, oh, feels so much better, and then that only lasts for so long, and then we need to find a better solution, or another solution. And then now we have a softer shoe, or we have, you know, whatever, and it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And she said, at one point, we have to break that cycle. And how do we break the cycle? You can do it with Pilates, y'all. You can also work with them if it's really a bad thing, like if you got a lot going on there, and they'll, they'll be able to help you start to figure that out. But you know, she said, I love my Birkenstocks. I'm a big fan. And she said, there's a couple of really amazing things. They let you spread your toes wide and all that kind of stuff, she said, but they're also a very stiff shoe, and so you're not bending your foot, you know, during your walk, as you're walking the way that you ultimately want to be doing. And so while it certainly, it's not like a it's not a bad shoe. It's also, if you're only wearing Berks all day, everyday, you're not actually helping yourself either, right? So, you know it's, it was just interesting to hear her say that. Lesley Logan 18:10  So, just so you know, Dr. Jenifer Perez, Brad, walks on the treadmill at the gym without shoes on which I don't know is any better for his foot health, but.Brad Crowell 18:20  I do not walk on the treadmill with no shoes on. No.Lesley Logan 18:23  I caught you, yes, oh, yes you did. Brad Crowell 18:27  Yeah, maybe, maybe I had socks. Okay, if you're, so, so, one thing she also talked about, which I thought was really helpful, is she said, if you're in pain and you're not active, other things are going to shut down, right? And she said being unable to walk or participate in activities you enjoy due to foot pain can also lead to mental and emotional decline. She said at the end of the day, foot pain, it affects every part of you, and it does hold us back. She highlighted research that indicated that where there's a connection between cognitive ability and mobility, your brain actually, like is affected by this, right? She also talked about toe strength is one of the biggest indicators of a fall risk, which this was, I mean, now that she said it, it's, it's so freaking logical, right? Because the toes of these tiny, little itty bitty thingies, the ankle and the knees and the hips are way stronger muscles around it, but those tiny, little bitty toes, why do we have them propulsion for movement and balance, right? And if the toes are weak, then you're not going to be able to stay balanced. It's much easier to fall like, soon as she said it, I was like, oh, duh, that makes total sense, right? So keeping your toes, your foot, healthy and strong, is going to help you as you age, because maybe you don't have that slip and fall, right? Because maybe it wasn't a slip and fall. Maybe you just don't have any foot strength, toe strength. Right? She also noted that research has looked at strength of how your toes are strong and what they're actually, like, doing. The big toe, obviously, is stronger than the pinky toe, right? Lesley Logan 20:07  The goal of it. Brad Crowell 20:07  Correct. It should be stronger than the pinky toe. She said, when it comes to strength, the big toe should be able to press with about 10% of your body weight and about 7% for the other toes, right? Also, she said our bodies, like, are amazing, and that they can compensate, which is, it's when we start compensating, when we're not evenly using the strength of our toes, when we start to compensate, that's when things start to get jacked up, right? Like, think about it, if you're always walking on the one side of your foot, and you're not using your feet, your toes equally when you're walking forward, eventually there, you know, those that the outside of your foot, or the inside of your foot is going to be, you know, off balance from the rest of it, and it's going to start to affect where, where it gets picked up by other things. I've experienced, plantar fasciitis. I also know I literally walk on the outside of my feet. I literally used to stand on the outside of my feet when I was working in restaurants, because my feet were in pain, and it was like less painful to stand on the outside of my feet. Lesley Logan 21:10  You can, you can, maybe you should walk on the inside of your feet to balance that out. Brad Crowell 21:14  Well, actually, because I have a high arch, that's exactly what I need to do. It's very typical to see people with high arches walk more towards the outside of their feet. I didn't know that. I didn't realize. I didn't learn that until recently, until I started watching some videos from Gait Happens, actually.Lesley Logan 21:31  I know they have abundance of videos. They're very helpful. Very, very helpful. Brad Crowell 21:36  Yeah. So you know, now it's been fascinating. It's been something I've been really thinking about consciously, and she she actually talked about that, too. I'm sure that's actually one of our Be It Action Items, it is, literally. So stick around. We're gonna dig into that. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 21:50  All right. So finally, let's get into these Be It Action Items that you covered with Dr. Jenifer Perez from Gait Happens. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with her? As I just mentioned, we did dig into this in the Be It items here, she said, go barefoot, just for five minutes. Okay? And while you're barefoot, obviously you're taking your shoes off. She said, start to feel, you know, your toes, and try to do it on a different texture, maybe, if it's always on a rug, try walking on a tile floor or concrete or linoleum or something like that, right? Go outside. Walk on the grass. Let your feet move and feel. Lesley Logan 22:31  Because when you walk on grass, grasses, even though they cut it level, like currently, while we're recording this, they're mowing our lawn, and it will look level. And then you walk out there, and it's like, oh, very uneven. Actually, very uneven. Brad Crowell 22:43  But she talked about how when you're walking, just feel each toe, feel what you're doing with your foot. We don't consciously think about it. When we're using our feet, we just flop them down, because I don't know we've been walking for our entire life, so you know, but we're not consciously aware of how we're doing it. So think about it for five minutes. Actually, focus on it for five minutes. That's free, easy and, and like, I mean, it's actually very enlightening, because I started to notice, oh, wow, I, I almost, I'm actually hardly using my big toe, which is where, which should be used more, right? Crazy stuff. What about you?Lesley Logan 23:21  Well, I already slayed this one. And she, actually a couple of times. She also challenged the next time you buy a pair of shoes, buy a pair that may look a little different than you're used to. So for example, your it should the shape of the shoe should look like your foot. Okay, so, like, ideally, what people are, if you look on Instagram, what people are trying to do is, like, put your foot on the shoe, like on a running shoe, your big toe should be able to be straight ahead, because if your shoe is pulling this big toe or pinching your toes into, I'm covering the mic, sorry, guys, pinching your toes into a little triangle, duh, your foot hurts. Duh, you have back pain, all that stuff. It's not good for your feet. Brad Crowell 23:58  Yeah, dress shoes definitely don't give you much room in there, right? Lesley Logan 24:02  I've never I'm only wearing really beautiful tennis shoes now, but, um, I, we got hiking boots recently. I also was looking I was like, oh, I like this. I'm like, oh, that's gonna be too narrow. Oh, I don't, that's gonna be, that's not the shape of my toe box. I got these ones. They're wide, they're a little. They're like the all they could be, like, freaking Uggs how wide they are. But my whole toe box fits, and my toes aren't scrunched. And I really like it. And I like those toe spacers I was talking about that they had. I love I know it's a good running shoe and weight training shoe, if I can wear my toe spacers in them, because there's room for my toes to be spread out in that spacer and there's room for my foot. And I love it.Brad Crowell 24:38  You know, another tip she talked about when it comes to shoes. First off, they have, like, a list of shoes on their website, so go check that out and be like, I'm shopping for this type of shoes. See what they recommend. But also, she said, if you're never like, like, like, look what is the Vibrams, Vibrams that are the toe shoes? Right? Lesley Logan 24:57  Yeah, yeah, they're so not sexy. Brad Crowell 24:59  Yeah, whatever, not the point. The point is that they are clearly giving you your foot shape, you know, the room to be its own shape, instead of jamming it into something small. But imagine if you've never worn something like that before, you know, it's going to take time for your body to adjust and accept that. So you might get those thinking this is going to be the thing that's going to help me, and it might help you eventually, but start small. She's like, wear them for a few minutes. Then, you know, wear something else. Wear them again. Wear them again, and get used to it. Because I remember when we bought our initial hiking shoes years ago, and it was the first time I ever had like, they weren't trail running shoes. Were they? Yeah, they were trail running shoes, and they were basically, like, huge, open inside shoe. There was very little support, and as wide. And I never worn a shoe like that, and it took me weeks to, like, be able to wear them all day. Lesley Logan 25:51  Oh, yeah, the ones we got for our honeymoon. Yeah, I think, yeah, you definitely want to start small. Start for a few minutes. Get used to it. I mean, like, same goes if you're actually working on your gait, like they're doing like, I switched my running pattern for a long time. I went from being a heel striker to, I forget what they call it, but anyways, a four-foot runner, and it just takes time. You can't, I can't, I couldn't go run six miles, even though I'm used to running six miles because new muscles had to be used, there's a new pattern, so be nice to yourself, and all or nothing mentality gets you nowhere. Brad Crowell 26:26  Well, all and you're not wrong on that, and good for you. I mean, learning how to run, it seems so, it seems so weird to say that, but like it's important. It is so important, just like learning how to walk and actually use our feet properly. So anyway, y'all, we actually have a link for you if you're interested in having Gait Happens work with you on your walk, your feet like any issues. If you have a bunion or you have plantar fasciitis and you're feeling stuck in life, check out the link in the show notes. We also have a coupon code there for you. And so make sure you're dropping that in. It'll allow them to know A. that we sent you, and B. it should hook you up. Yeah, it should hook you up. Lesley Logan 27:07  And when you let them know we sent you, it helps. Brad Crowell 27:10  10% off your purchase. Lesley Logan 27:11  Yeah, it supports the pod. It lets them know that they, you know, they you came from here. And so they go, oh, wow, I should go back and tell more things about the feet. You guys. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 27:21  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 27:23  Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to walk these tips into your life? Brad Crowell 27:28  Ooh.Lesley Logan 27:28  Ooh, I want to know. Gait Happens wants to know. So make sure you tag us when you share this episode with a friend. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 27:37  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 27:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Foot health expert and co-founder of Gait Happens, Dr. Jennifer Perez unpack the misunderstood world of feet. From bunions and plantar fasciitis to toe strength and footwear myths, Dr. Jen breaks down how your feet impact your entire body and what you can do—starting today—to reconnect and restore their natural strength. Expect actionable advice, surprising insights, and some myth-busting around the shoes you might be wearing right now. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why Dr. Jen shifted her focus to feet after her own injuries.How foot pain can derail confidence and daily life.Exercises to activate toe strength and rebuild foot control.What plantar fasciitis and bunions actually are—and how to treat them.Why most shoes are harming your feet and how to choose better ones.The role of toe spacers, barefoot training, and natural gait.What “less shoe” really means and how it helps prevent injury.Episode References/Links:Gait Happens Website - https://gaithappens.com/Gait Happens Referral Link - https://gaithappens.com?ref=mwe4ndk (use code: LESLEY)Jen Perez's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/gaithappensGait Happens YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@gait_happensGuest Bio:Dr. Jennifer Perez is a board-certified chiropractor and co-founder of Gait Happens, an education-focused platform helping people rethink foot health from the ground up. With advanced training in biomechanics and years of hands-on experience, she focuses on improving foot strength, mobility, and overall movement to keep people doing what they love—without pain or limitations. In her Lafayette, Colorado practice, Dr. Perez works with everyone from high-level athletes to everyday movers. Through Gait Happens, she also supports clients around the world with virtual consults and programs designed to get to the root of common foot issues like plantar fasciitis and bunions—without jumping straight to orthotics or surgery. Known for her real-world, movement-first approach, Dr. Perez is also a trusted voice in the health and fitness space. 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And not just, you know, when you think about like your skin health and things like that, but truly, from a biomechanics perspective, our feet are our foundation, and how they interact with the ground is really important and has a huge influence on the rest of our body.Lesley Logan 0:19  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:02  All right, Be It babe. This conversation, this is about your feet. We got to talk about them. We got to talk about them because I don't want your dreams in this life, the things you want to do to ever be held back by pain. And a lot of pain that we have in our bodies is actually coming from what's going on in our feet. And the guest we have today is one of the most amazing experts on feet, like just truly, truly amazing Dr. Jenifer Perez from Gait Happens. She is going to nerd out with us. And if you're not watching this, I do recommend that, after the end of listening to it, that if you are interested in seeing what she's showing, you want to go to our Be It Pod YouTube channel and see the video, because she's showing the muscles of the feet. We talk about bunions, we talk about plantar fasciitis. We talk about even this, like, how to choose shoes. And I know this can be a little off the beaten path, because you're like, what about the journals? You guys, you got to take care of your feet. You have to, if it's between journaling and doing a foot exercise, maybe do a minute of foot exercise and a minute of journaling, because it's important that you know yourself inside and out, but that you're taking care of your feet, because they are going to take you everywhere you want to go, every place you want to be it until you see it. So here is Dr. Jen Perez from Gait Happens. Lesley Logan 2:11  All right, Be It babe. So this, today's guest is someone I've been kind of hunting down, kind of stalking in the best way, exploring all their things, nerding out, and I'm really excited, mostly personally, because I've been so interested in my own feet and and just like trying to not have the bunions that I feel like are inevitable happening to my feet. But, at any rate, Dr. Jen Perez from Gait Happens is our guest today. And Dr. Jen Perez, can you tell everyone who you are and why you rock at feet so much?Dr. Jenifer Perez 2:42  Absolutely, I love that you're so excited. I mean, this is, this is what I do. It is foot education, essentially, what it all boils down. And it's kind of funny, you know, not to dive too deep into my story, but I didn't like, I hated feet growing up.Lesley Logan 2:54  I'm so glad you're telling us, because I'm like, are you really into feet? Dr. Jenifer Perez 2:57  I know I like, I was like, feet are gross. I want nothing to do with feet like and then halfway through chiro school, I attended a seminar, we're trying to learn how to tape shoulders, and the instructor kept talking about feet. And essentially, what ended up happening is she kind of pulled the curtain back on how important our feet are. And not just, you know, when you think about like your skin health and things like that, but truly from a biomechanics perspective, our feet are our foundation, and how they interact with the ground is really important and has a huge influence on the rest of our body. And as soon as I kind of really started to think about feet from this perspective, I got really excited, because it's something that is not talked about enough, which is why I love having conversations like this, so kind of how I ended up in the foot world, I guess. Lesley Logan 3:46  I think that's really great, because I was gonna, like I, part of me was thinking, like, you must have seen some weird looking feet. I'm a Pilates instructor. I've seen some weird feet, and when I see them, I kind of inquired, like, what's your life been? How long have you had this? Because I don't, you know, like in Pilates, they don't go deep on any one thing. You can, you can niche out and everything. But like, you know, I'm really obsessed with Joseph Pilates had a ton of foot stuff. He had the toe corrector and the foot corrector. And, like, it's really kind of cool to see people like yourself and other people doing stuff that, like the toe corrector does, and so it's like, it's nice to know that, like, you know, in the 40s, he was doing these things. But we don't go into nuances. When I'm like, seeing arches have fallen, then I see like, you know, 70 year old people who had arches fall now their ankle bones are, like, humongous. And I'm like, oh my God, we have to know more about our feet. And I, like, one of the things I hear people, hold people back from, like, things they want to do is pain. You know, as a Pilates instructor, I work with a lot of people, when they're in pain, they don't go on trips, you know, and that's like a luxury, anyways, but it also holds people back from just even attempting taking on jobs or moving or trying new things. And so kind of wanted to dig into like, you know, What? What? How important are feet? And do they really hold us back or is that like a story we're telling ourselves?Dr. Jenifer Perez 5:01  No, you're, you're absolutely right. And of course, my population is biased, because they're coming to me with pain, typically. But those stories that you all mentioned are stories I hear every single day. Someone saying, you know, I had this trip to Europe planned, and I canceled it because I can't walk, you know, more than 100 steps a day, and that's going to require me to walk thousands of steps a day. Or someone who is they have they can't walk to the mailbox at the end of their driveway, and or they're terrified to even shower barefoot because their feet hurt so bad. I mean truly, foot pain, like we said, you're on your feet all day long, and so when your feet hurt, it really does hold you back. And that kind of comes in a spectrum of different severities and different kinds of pain and different pathologies, but at the end of the day, it does hold us back. And that's what I'm trying to help people do, is kind of retake their foot health and really strengthen their feet so that they're not holding them back anymore.Lesley Logan 5:59  Yeah. I mean, like, my, my dad's 72 and like, I yesterday, were at the gym together, and I watched him, like, navigate his leg over a bench. And I, part of me, was like, oh, I don't want to do that. And part was like, no, get that leg over that bench. Like, as long as he can lift his leg high enough to go over a bench sideways, he's holding the barbell. Like, we're good. But like, I think, you know, I, he lives in a senior living center, and I watch people like, their life declined so fast because they're not as active. But if you are in pain and you're not active, like other things, shut down, you know, like, and we can talk about, like the calves are like the second heart, right? So if you're not taking steps, you're not pumping the blood back up, and you're not taking steps because your feet hurt, like other things just go wrong.Dr. Jenifer Perez 6:42  Well, and it's and to your point, it's also, it's not just the physical right, it's our mental and emotional health as well. Because if you can't walk, if you can't do the activities that you love, then we start to see mental decline with that as well. And it's really fascinating. There's more and more research coming out around cognitive ability, which is also fascinating in itself but, fall risk alone, fall risk, one of the biggest indicators of fall risk is toe strength. They used to think it was, you know, the bigger muscles, like the glutes and the hamstrings and things like that. And when they did a comparative analysis, the two biggest indicators of fall risk were blood pressure and toe strength. Lesley Logan 7:18  This is insane to me. I love because I always like, say, like, say, like, like, Pilates helps you fall better. And there is some truth to that. Like, we help with, like, you know, hip muscles and core strength. And you're like, you understand, move your legs with your center, but it is your, the toe strength is something that's so interesting and like, so let's talk about, like, maybe we should just get into it. Like, I kind of, is it like our big toe only? Is it all 10 toes? What if you lose a toe? What? How do we strengthen our toes? Dr. Jenifer Perez 7:48  Yeah, let's jump in. So that research in particular looked at all 10 toes. So it looked at big toes and outer toes, and it found a significant difference in fall risk based on both. So the good news about that is, we have 10 toes. So let's say there is a toe amputation or, you know, some kind of accident or injury, you know, we have 10 so we can (inaudible) strength, right? Our bodies are amazing adapters. But in the average person, we are looking for strong toes. We actually have kind of a reference range around that we even measure toe strength in our office. Lesley Logan 8:24  Oh, my God, I have to come visit you. I just want to know if they're good. Dr. Jenifer Perez 8:28  Right? Everyone's favorite part of their appointment, because everyone starts like clenching their fists and sweating in the chair, trying so hard. But we're looking for about 10% of our body weight out of the big toe and about 7% of our body weight out of the outer four toes. So the big toes, (inaudible) is supposed to be stronger. It also has, for those watching, you can see my fancy foot model. So it also has a thicker bone. It has reinforcements. It even has two sesamoid bones which increase the lever arm, which basically makes it better for propulsion, similar to what our kneecap does. And so all of this is designed to make us really, really strong. But we have four layers of built-in muscles inside our feet. And I love using this foot model with my patients because.Lesley Logan 9:18  Oh my gosh. You guys. This is the most. I've never seen a foot model like this. This is insane. I've never seen one like this. I know that the feet have, like, all the the feet have the most amount of joints and muscles, correct, like, that's, it's in your feet, yes.Dr. Jenifer Perez 9:31  So lots of joints and muscles, (inaudible) both the most. But a quarter of our bones are in our, a quarter of our bones in our entire body are in our feet. And we have 33 joints in our feet. They're designed to move and be flexible. And it's, it's really, really incredible and intricate, but I use this foot model to show and for those that are listening, it's a model that shows the four layers of muscles to really give you a visual of how much muscle is in our feet. And how much we truly can strengthen that?Lesley Logan 10:03  Yeah, I, okay. So the reason you came up is because I was doing a lot of research on Joseph Pilates' accessories, because I'm doing his big accessory deck of flash cards. And my listeners know we've been talking about this a long time. I've been doing this. And so, like, there's all these, like, little toys and tools that he used to use, and one was marbles, and one was towels. And the marbles he would have you pick up a marble with your big toe, and then your second toe, and then your third, and your fourth and your fifth. And when I was doing the research, I could not pick up a marble with five different toes. I could do it with like two toes at a time, or these three toes over here. And I am proud to say when I was when I was actually having to film it, I was like, oh, one, and I did all five. I'm so proud of my feet. Like, over six months, I've, like, improved the dexterity of that. The towels is so hard, because I can scrunch it, but I couldn't flick it out. And, yes, I couldn't, I couldn't unravel the towel. And I'm like, what is going on? But so it's like, like, part like, the bottom part of my foot was strong, but maybe the top part of my foot wasn't so strong. So I have, like, so do you strengthen your toes? I don't think it's just by squeezing them, because I'm afraid, am I wrong about giving people hammer toes? Like, I don't want to do.Dr. Jenifer Perez 11:11  Such a good question. It's such a good question. Let's dive in a little bit, because this is one, one area where Joseph Pilates was so far ahead of the curve. But we have also learned a lot since his work, right? Yeah. Lesley Logan 11:28  Thank God. Thank God, we've learned more. It's been a while. Dr. Jenifer Perez 11:31  I love like using towel scrunches or marble pickups if we need to start somewhere, and that's what's going to do it for you, then do it. It's better than not doing anything, but in general, I tend to avoid those exercises. And the reason is because of hammertoes, you were totally right on the right track. So essentially, we have four sets of muscles that flex and extend our toes. So hammertoes is when the toes start to lift and curl over time. And if they stay in that position, they can become rigid and arthritic and really, really painful. They also were associated in that same study with an increase in fall risk as well, as well as bunions. And so what we want to do is activate the muscles, but with the toes in a long and flat and wide position. So, an alternative, something that you can do right now, if you're barefoot, is if you just lift up all 10 toes and then spread them out as wide as you can. And even if it feels like they're not listening to you, just keep telling them to spread and then reach them out long and wide and try to bring them back down to the ground. Hold that engagement, hold that press, and you should start to feel the arch underneath your foot start to activate. That's the muscle that's right here that I already took off my model.Lesley Logan 12:51  And it can activate even if you like, have flat feet, because I have people always who like to fight me on this, like, I have flat feet, it won't lift. And I'm like, I think the muscle still activates, guys.Dr. Jenifer Perez 13:03  Yes, yes, exactly. We can dive in to foot shape in a second, too. But the last piece of that exercise is, if you want to add a little bit more, just barely lift your heels like enough for a credit card. Lesley Logan 13:09  Oh, that I haven't done. The spreading of the flick the lifting the toes, I love to teach. The spreading them out. I even try to get people to do one toe at a time, which, by the way, I can do it reverse pinky toe to big toe, but not big, for whatever reason, it's like big toe and then all four. But, so, okay, that's, I've not done the heel lift, okay.Dr. Jenifer Perez 13:32  Yeah, I think you can do to improve dexterity, improve activation of the muscles, rebuild the connection between our brain and our feet, because that's a big piece of it is because we don't use our feet. Many people, our feet are stuffed into cushy socks and cushy shoes and ignored all day long. They even have indoor shoes that they're wearing. Lesley Logan 13:52  Yes, yes.Dr. Jenifer Perez 13:52  Our feet are ignored. Just even rebuilding that connection can be really important. But when I'm dealing with patients in pain, one of my big things, especially when it comes to trying to encourage them to walk and move past their barriers, is engaging the muscles in a way that we actually use in locomotion. And in the gait cycle, we activate the muscles of our feet in order to push off and move forward. That's why I really like that long press lift the heels, because that's exactly how we use those muscles in the walking gait cycle.Lesley Logan 14:26  Yeah, okay, love, love, I'm gonna send you, my friend has a, I take a Pilates session with a friend. He's an amazing teacher, and he's got a client he's been with for 10 years. The guy will not take his shoes off. He does yoga in shoes. His Pilates in shoes. He's like, if I take my shoes off, my feet hurt. I have plantar fasciitis and I, if I take them off, my feet hurt. And I was just like, you know, I think, I think they hurt because you don't take them off. I'm just, just something that, like, maybe you should.Dr. Jenifer Perez 14:55  Yeah, I mean that really like the first kind of knock on the door, but you're totally right. It is typical. Because people have felt pain. So then they get into orthotics or cushier shoes, shoes that really are designed to do the work for you, because it alleviates the pain. But then the golden rule of the musculoskeletal system is use it or lose it. So the longer that we're now in these shoes and these orthotics that are doing the work for us that may have been good in the short term, but in the long term, our feet start to atrophy more, and we become reliant on them, and then we need a more aggressive orthotic and a cushier shoe, and it just becomes this cycle that we have to eventually break. Lesley Logan 15:34  Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Everyone, please re-listen to that. So a yoga teacher, he's like, the two worst inventions were shoes and chairs and, like, you know, they and I'm excited for Brad to listen to this, because he, he, he's been wearing Birkenstocks in the house because he was having, like, plantar fasciitis pain. But if he wear these Birkenstocks, he won't have it and I think that's fine. He's really good at spreading his toes. Like, this is not a knock on him. But I do get concerned, like, are we just like, not forcing the feet to do the job that they're supposed to do, even if they are Birkenstocks. And, you know, there's lots of information about they can be amazing, but I just sometimes worry, like, are we not giving his feet the opportunity to be strong on their own? Dr. Jenifer Perez 16:15  Yeah, yeah, I would give Birkenstocks a B minus, for me, like, they're great because they're, they're a decently low stack height, so not, they're not really cushiony. They have a beautiful wide toe box so it allows your toes to spread, but they're very rigid, and they do have that arch support. So it kind of depends on what our goals are. If we do have an active diagnosis, active diagnosis, like plantar fasciitis, they can be helpful in alleviating that pain. But, again, on the flip side of that, we want to start strengthening our feet, because plantar fasciitis, you okay if I dive into plantar fasciitis? Lesley Logan 16:55  I want you to do that because and then we're gonna get to bunions because of my own personal interest. Dr. Jenifer Perez 16:59  Those are kind of the two that like, everybody (inaudible). Lesley Logan 16:54  I think everyone's heard of. I think we can definitely, yeah, we don't have to go into, like Morton's neuroma, unless we have time. Dr. Jenifer Perez 17:01  Plantar Fasciitis is and fasciitis means more of an inflammatory response. So we're talking about like short term acute pain. The kind of umbrella term is plantar fasciopathy, something going wrong with the plantar fascia. But essentially, the plantar fascia is best friends with this muscle right here, called our flexor digitorum brevis. Lesley Logan 17:20  Okay. Dr. Jenifer Perez 17:21  That muscle is one of the two muscles that presses our toes down, flexor digitorum brevis is the one that presses our toes down flat. Flexor digitorum longus is the one that curls our toes. Lesley Logan 17:32  Got it. Dr. Jenifer Perez 17:32  Right. Going back to our conversation before, when we lengthen the toes and press them, FDB is the one we're activating. The reason this matters with the plantar fascia is because when we go to push off, when we go to take a step and we push off of our foot, FDB is actually what gives us the elasticity to push off of. It's like the trampoline that we're pushing off of. But it has to be strong in order to do that. It has to be able to be, have tension. If it doesn't, we have to get tension from somewhere else. We get it from our next door neighbor, the plantar fascia. Every step we take, rather than using a strong FDB to push off of we're using the plantar fascia, and it becomes more and more irritated while we're on our feet, and then it kind of does this, like stiffening and recoil when we're off our feet, and the second we go to stand up again, that's when it's like, there's the pain again. So when it comes to plantar fascio, when it comes to plantar fasciopathy, the number one thing I'm looking at is strength, and how do we create a stable foot at push off.Lesley Logan 18:37  Yeah, okay. Thank you for that. I think that is really key, and it makes me that like one, because you start to watch people like, I don't watch people in the airports anymore because it's just too much. The posture, the head, head to the side, the heads hanging off of the bodies, like the hip over I'm like, I can't I cannot. They're not paying me. I can't do it. And my husband's just like, look at how that person's walking. Like, look at how that one foot, I'm like, babe, they're not asking for our help, yeah, put some blinders on. But he's like, what's (inaudible) I'm like, they don't, they can't, they no longer can roll through their foot. They're no longer, they're now they're kind of like, and that is going to limit you. That's going to affect falling, first of all, because it's not how you're supposed to walk. It's also going to affect knees, hips, back, like, it just a whole chain, right? I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I always think of the feet is like, the shocks of the car and also the tires of the car, because, like, if they're off, then the whole body is off, right? Dr. Jenifer Perez 19:25  That's actually an analogy we use all the time, is even with, like, performance athletes, right? Like, if you compare an athlete to a car, you can have the best performance car, sports car in the world, but if the tires don't work, it's not going anywhere, you know. Yeah. Lesley Logan 19:40  Yeah, yeah, okay, let's talk bunions. You know, I obviously things have gotten wildly different, you know, like it used to be, don't get a bunion surgery, you'll never walk again. And now, like, people are getting bunion surgery and they are successful. But like, do we is everyone who gets a bunion, like, destined for surgery? Can you change that? Can you fix it? What do we got? Dr. Jenifer Perez 20:00  Yeah, great questions. So first of all, for those that don't know what a bunion is, bunion is when we have a deviation of the first metatarsal, so the long bone that's behind the big toe starts to deviate outwards, and then the toe starts to deviate towards the other toes, and it creates this angle of what we call the first ray, which is the big toe and the first metatarsal, and then as this drifts outwards, we start to see a bump develop on the inside of that joint. Now that bump is not it's not arthritis, it's not a growth of the bone. It's actually the head of the metatarsal sticking out sideways. And so it's truly a joint dislocation that then we are walking on all day long. So when it comes to bunions, they come in different grades. So we have a mild, a moderate or a severe bunion. Mild to moderate bunions can absolutely be helped with conservative care. Conservative care being things like toe spacers, things like strengthening exercises, adjusting your shoes, working on building strength and stability. When we get past that moderate mark, that's when we start to have that discussion of, is surgery going to help? And there's also lots of different kinds of surgery out there. I'm in favor of never get a fusion unless you have to, because especially at the big toe, we have to be able to bend the big toe in order to walk, run, move, and if we can't, we're going to go somewhere else. And then, like you said, that is going to affect that whole chain. So that's kind of the brief thing of bunions. What else do you want to dive in? Lesley Logan 21:28  Okay, so this is fascinating. So okay, I have a wide toe box, right? Like, we'll just get personal. I'm just, I think it's better to have an example. So a wide toe box always have, I have my father's feet, like, really, really narrow heels, super high arches, wide toe box, and I had a big space between my big toe, my four, my other four toes that no longer exists. My toe is now over, right? I use those amazing toe spacers. I do want to know if I'm supposed to put something in those little slits. So I use those. I'm like, kind of obsessed with them, because with them on, I can actually point my big toe when I don't have them on my big toe doesn't really point, like it go, it's straight, but it doesn't really like point with the foot. It's very fascinating to me when it's when it's in alignment, it's like doing a great job, which is probably what's, what has, what's happened. But because of all the footwork that I do, I mean, like I have, I do footwork on my Reformer with no padding, I have no pain. I do a lot of foot corrector, toe corrector, tons of stuff to really, like, keep my feet strong. But I am not like, I don't know. Maybe I'm like, expecting something that shouldn't happen. I'm not seeing a reduction of my bunion, nor is my big toe staying where it needs to be without the spacers. So is it just time? Is it daily homework? Like, what? What are people with bunions who have a minor to moderate supposed to do?Dr. Jenifer Perez 22:43  Yes, I love it. So couple of things there. So let's talk about you first, and then I'll talk about a different presentation, because there's kind of two different presentations of bunions and one would be kind of more the like, like you said, the high arch, more rigid foot type. There's another kind of bunion that happens in a more flexible low arch, flat foot, foot type. And so number one, when we're talking about bunions, it starts to be an instability in that joint. So although we can strengthen, although we can improve function and decrease pain, it's not always going to stay there. So even Dr. Conley, my business partner, she has a pretty significant bunion on her right foot. She wears her toe spacers all day long, every day, and if she doesn't, she doesn't get pain, not right away. If she didn't consistently, she probably would over the course of few weeks or a month. But if she doesn't, you can definitely see that bunion popping out more. So she uses them as a guide, because of that laxity that's developed in that joint. So it kind of depends on how far along that spectrum we are as to whether the big toe will stay there or not, because it can in definitely the more mild cases, but it just depends. Now talking about, kind of one piece of the puzzle that might be missing with everything that you mentioned, is with the more stiff foot presentation. So you're more high arch foot type. One of the really important jobs of our foot, like we said, there's 33 joints, it has to be able to move and dissociate and unlock. And sometimes what people with high arches have a hard time with, is pronation. We live in this more supinated position. The arch is higher up. And now when the foot comes down to the ground, since we can't move through the mid foot, which has all of these that are designed to twist, if I can't move through there because it's locked down, I'm going to move excessively through my forefoot, so we're basically making up for that motion in the forefoot, which can lead to that instability and that bunion. This is the same presentation as Dr. Conley, by the way.Lesley Logan 24:51  Oh, well, I mean, I'm in good company. But that makes a lot of sense, because, you know, I like, I've had to work really hard when I point my feet to not, is it like, like, supinate? Is it like? What do you mean? You, like, I like, I want to make sure that my don't have like, flippers. I have like, two feet. So I'm like, I'm pointing my feet, but the pinky toes are not coming towards each other. It's a really, it's a really big thing that I have to work on, because my ankles are so hyper mobile, so that, that makes a lot of sense, and got it. So I need to stretch. I need to actually let my arch stretch out.  Dr. Jenifer Perez 25:23  Let your feet relax. And it's also, it's kind of a learned response too. Like you said, if you have hypermobile ankles, sometimes what we'll do is we'll try to make up for finding stability with our feet, and then we just never let them relax. So the conversation used to always be like around pronation and like, pronation is the devil, but really, I see a pretty good 50-50, split of people who need strength and control of pronation versus people who need to learn how to relax their feet again and start to pronate. Lesley Logan 25:24  Yeah. Okay, super fun. So you mentioned there's another, there's another type of bunion, though. Dr. Jenifer Perez 25:34  So, basically, exactly the opposite. Okay, so now think about your more flat foot, foot type, more flexible foot type. What happens here is, because we don't have good control of the mid foot, we start to spill over into uncontrolled pronation. Again, pronation isn't the devil we just need to be able to control it. So now, when I spill over into uncontrolled pronation, you see how my forefoot starts to deviate, this way? Lesley Logan 26:21  Yes, yes. I had a client who that's how his foot, he had callus. It was so bad. It was like. Dr. Jenifer Perez 26:26  Like a callous on the inside of the big toe. Sometimes they'll even have it on the inside of the joint where it is, too. Those are called pinch calluses. And the reason they get them is because when the forefoot starts to deviate with that uncontrolled pronation. Now, when they go to push off, they're pushing off across the big toe, so they get a callus on the side of the toe, and that pushes their toe over towards the other toes, which can contribute to a bunion. The one thing we haven't mentioned across the board is absolutely footwear. Footwear 100% contributing to this as well, because your body can only move in the range of motion that's allowed. And if we are in footwear that has a triangular shaped toe, then it is bringing your toe towards the other toes. There's no way your toe can sit in alignment if it's in a shoe with a pointed toe box. Lesley Logan 27:16  Yeah, I know I've had to, like, change all of my shoes. I keep my my high heels for my wedding that I'll never put on ever again. I don't think my feet would even fit in them at this point, but I like, keep them for just like the look of it. But like, I am a tennis shoe. Like, if I if I can't wear tennis shoes, we are really in trouble. I have one pair of, like, really wide toe box clogs, and I'm like, okay, if I have to wear dressy shoes, we will put these on and. Dr. Jenifer Perez 27:39  Well, I mean, there's also, like, more and more and more options coming out. So like at our website, Gait Happens, we have a whole list of footwear that has a wide toe box, but for example, so for those again, watching so, I mean, you look at more of like a traditional flat even, and you have this absolutely pointed toe box. Imagine your big toe in this position. Your big toe is supposed to be here.Lesley Logan 28:02  Because it's straight up, and it's going literally across the middle of your foot.Dr. Jenifer Perez 28:04  Right? And now we're going to bend on that joint, yes, imagine a door that's hung crooked, and then we just decide to open it 10,000 times a day. Lesley Logan 28:05  Right. Dr. Jenifer Perez 28:13  So it just is basically, really harming that joint. But there's options out there that you can have a shoe that's similar, but with a wide toe box. I mean, same thing with looking at, like, more of your daily tennis shoes or your running shoes, right? Like, there's options that have a wide toe box out there. I also have, like, I got these (inaudible) loafers that I am loving, and I could not find them this morning, I'm so upset. Lesley Logan 28:41  Someone stole them from you. They're so good. Okay. We all have to go, like, scour your website before you buy new shoes, because that is, that is the thing. Like, my feet do not have pain. You don't have any issues. But if I put on a pair of shoes where it's going to put my toe in the wrong spot, then I am going to have pain. Like, that's when I have it. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, you know? I mean, like footwear. So basically, we're outsourcing the natural gait of our body to a footwear, which is then affecting how our rest of our day goes, but then also how our bodies feel in the future.Dr. Jenifer Perez 29:15  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, our bodies conform to shapes. We've seen that with foot binding in history, we've seen that with the whale bone corsets. We've seen that with the neck elongation, our body will conform to a shape if you put it in that shape, and it is not any different when it comes to the foot. Lesley Logan 29:33  Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, so how often should we be paying attention to our feet? Like, is this something we're supposed to do? Because, you know, people, everyone has, I don't have enough time. They barely have enough time to work out, like, how how often should they do foot exercises? How should they be thinking about their feet? What do we got?Dr. Jenifer Perez 29:49  So as much as you can give me, I mean, I'm very realistic, right? If you're having pain, then spend more time on this, because it really does impact your life. But if we're just talking about the average person looking for prevention and longevity, then how about we just start with going barefoot a little bit like let your feet be feet. Go barefoot around the house. Let's get rid of the house shoes. Let's maybe go walk on a few different surfaces outside when it's warm enough and not snowing, like it is here, you know. So just let your feet be feet, and then you can do stuff like adding toe spacers. If you're concerned about the spacing between your toes. We like the toe spacers that we have because you can wear them while you're moving around.Lesley Logan 30:31  They're, they're amazing. I actually will just say, like, I wear them just to walk around my house. And I thought maybe they won't stay in because like, of how they are. No, they stay. I also wear them doing yoga. I wear them doing Pilates. I don't have to have socks with them on. Like, you know, sometimes I have to adjust it a little bit. But, like, it's actually, they're really amazing, and they fit in almost all my shoes. And when they don't fit, I'm like, hmm, maybe these shoes, maybe these shoes need to go get donated.Dr. Jenifer Perez 30:56  Yeah. So, I mean, just simple tips to honestly, like, if you're going to be doing a ton of walking, maybe you just roll your foot out on a ball afterwards, give it a little bit of love. Maybe add a little bit of foot activation before a workout. If you know you're going to be doing, like single leg workout or things like that, there's, there's a ton of small things that you could do to add foot health into your day, and part of it is just the awareness. Go walk around your hallway after listening to this or wherever you are, and actually think about reaching your toes long and engaging your toes with each step, and see how different that is from how you've been walking for the last 10 years.Lesley Logan 31:32  Yeah, you know, this fascinates me, because I will sometimes see, okay, like, you know, people wear flip flops at the airport and they're like, pinky toe doesn't touch the ground. And I was like, isn't it supposed to touch the ground? Like, were they born like that? Did they like change their body like, what happened? Why is their pinky toe not on the ground? Dr. Jenifer Perez 31:50  To your point, I can't look at a lot of people in the airport anymore, but I do celebrate with people when I see them in shoes that I do approve of, because it's so far and few between. So I'm like, hey, nice Altras. And they're like, that was weird.Lesley Logan 32:04  I, you know what? I love that we just had an amazing guest on who was talking about, like, your bubble of influence. And like, like, just giving a stranger a compliment is, like, affecting your bubble of influence. And like, you are doing that within what your influence wants to be. So I, I'm, I'm all in on that. This is so fascinating. I think, you know, I just, I think a lot of times people think about the way our media has trained us is like, think about your abs, or the abs that will like, the muscles that will tone your, the exercise will tone your core, these will tone your arms. And I'm always just like, because I get asked these all the time, and I tell my publicist, I'm like, I gotta talk about, like, their, are their feet aligning like it does, like their hips, we have so many things to talk about before they even do the sit up like, there's just like, and it's not that I'm a nitpicky person. I'm not. I'm kind of like, safe, ugly movement is fine, you know, as long as it's not dangerous. But we're so obsessed with like, from the waist up that we're not really focusing on like, really where some of the root problems are and where we have a lot of control, which is like our foot choices, our shoe choices, like walking around our house barefoot, giving our feet some love.Dr. Jenifer Perez 33:07  Yeah, I think it all comes down to what are your goals? Right? Are your goals to live fast, die hard, whatever, right? If you if your goal is, I want a six pack and I want to enjoy my life for whatever that looks like. Great. If your goal is I want to go climb Machu Picchu, or I want to be able to run into my 70s and 80s, then we need to have a conversation that looks very different around supporting that longevity and that movement potential. Lesley Logan 33:35  Yeah, yeah, you're amazing. Okay. I mean, I could talk to you for hours, but we're gonna take a brief break and find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. Dr. Jenifer Perez 33:51  Perfect. Lesley Logan 33:45  All right. Dr. Jen Perez, where do you hang out? Where can people like, if people, I know you're in a place that snows, but like, can people work with you who don't live near you? Like, what? What do you have? Dr. Jenifer Perez 33:54  So, great question. So first of all, we have lots of free resources. So our Instagram account is Gait Happens, G-A-I-T Happens. And we have thousands of videos on there. We also are expanding our YouTube as well. So Gait Happens on YouTube, lots of free videos, lots of things to check out there. If you're wanting a more personalized approach. So for those that are worldwide, we, our team does virtual consultations. I don't personally do virtual consultations anymore, but we have a whole team of practitioners that do. We also have DIY programs, like a 12-week Fit Feet program. If you'd rather just get a program that you do on your own, but if you do want to come work with me, I am in Colorado. I'm in Kinetic Chiropractic is my clinic in Lafayette, Colorado, and I have people fly in all the time, and then we can do follow up appointments virtually, but we do that first appointment together. Lesley Logan 34:46  That's so cool. I have to see if that's on the way to Aurora, because that's where, that's my next trip into Colorado. So okay, I mean, I feel like you've given us a lot, but I just want to like for our people who are like, okay, what's my first next step? No pun intended. Bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it it till they see it, what do you have for us?Dr. Jenifer Perez 35:08  I love it. I have two kind of challenges, I would say. One that can be immediate and one that's for the next time you buy shoes. So, the immediate challenge is go barefoot for five minutes. That's it doesn't require any equipment. Just take your shoes off. And if you're not already going barefoot, and if you're already going barefoot, then I challenge you to go barefoot for five minutes on new textures. So if you're already going barefoot at home, go outside, go walk in the grass, go walk over some stones, let your feet start to discover texture and movement over surfaces again. And if you're not going barefoot, then start by going on those soft surfaces for five minutes, let your feet move and feel. So that's my, my number one. You can do this right after this. And then my number two is the next time that you buy a pair of shoes, I challenge you to not only buy a pair of shoes that may look a little different than you're used to because they have a nice, beautiful, wide toe box that lets your foot move, but I challenge you to buy something that's a little less shoe, and what I mean by that is less aggressive, so less stiff, less arch support, less cushion, less shoe than you think that you need just step it down a little bit, because that's going to challenge your feet to do a little bit more of the work.Lesley Logan 36:33  Yes, I'm in on all of this. I love this so much. Dr. Jen Perez from Gait Happens, thank you. This was a dream interview I wanted to do since I've stumbled upon you and all that you're doing. And I just think it's really amazing. And I know for a fact, if you're an OPC member, you guys, come on. You have to, you have to go check this out. It's gonna be part of your like, we always, I always say, like, your feet are connected to your seat. Like, that's, you know, and it's you know, that's really is. And people challenge. I've had people literally tell me I was doing the Toe Corrector with rubber bands. I was just showing people like, you don't have to buy fancy things. You can just use rubber bands. Here's what I'm doing, and it connects to the seat. And I had trainers of the wazoo going, that's not how your like, glutes work. And I was like, okay, I don't know how you study for anatomy, and that's fine, but I'm gonna tell you right now you obviously haven't done it, because if you do the exercises correctly, you can't help but feel your butt work like the outer hips work, the hand, everything is like turning on so they are connected, maybe not directly, because your feet are not touching your seat.Dr. Jenifer Perez 37:29  Absolutely. I actually have a fun party trick that I will do with trainers when I'm working with trainers, and I have them lay on their stomach and extend their leg behind them with their their knee bent, and then you down on their thigh. And what this is doing is it's a muscle test for your hips. So it's like, if you're, you've got strong hips that should be nice and strong. So I have them do that barefoot. And it's usually like, okay, great. That was awesome. You were able to not let me press down. And then I take my other hand and I squish their toes together, and I press down, and it goes because you you can't when your toes are squished together, it affects the whole chain. Now, can I explain that neurologically? No, I cannot, but I can tell you that it works every time I do it.Lesley Logan 38:13  Yeah, I think, you know, I think we'll get the neuro I mean, it's just going to take time for us, especially in this western society where everything's kind of siloed to like, see how it all connects, you know, but it is connected. And if you can feel it, then, like, we don't actually need the science right now to prove that what you're feeling is true. So someday, someday, well, you are doing the Lord's work. I really think so. And thank you so much for being here with us today. Everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Are you gonna go buy a new pair of shoes with this in mind? Are you going to go walk around barefoot? Please tag Gait Happens. Tag the Be It Pod and share this with a friend, especially your friends who are complaining about your feet. You know who those people are? They tell you all the time. So make sure the ones that take their shoes off at the club, which is a little not okay, please don't do that. I live in Las Vegas, and I'll see people walking barefoot. I'm like, I don't think you want to do that here. That's, don't do it there. Anyways, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 39:10  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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