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In this recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on their powerful conversation with Amber Fuhriman—attorney, NLP trainer, and host of Break Your Bullshit Box. Together they unpack how perfectionism and people-pleasing keep high achievers trapped in fear, and how authenticity, though uncomfortable, is freeing. This episode challenges listeners to take responsibility for their choices and trust that staying authentic is better than constantly seeking approval.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why people-pleasing is a hidden form of control, not kindness.How perfectionism hides behind fear and the need for validation.What authentic affirmations sound like without toxic positivity.Why creating an “SOS list” can help you act instead of overthink.How taking responsibility for choices leads to personal freedom.Episode References/Links:Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comOPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandtContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselseLevate - https://lesleylogan.co/elevateeLevate Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlistSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsTiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/fNNWEahAmber Fuhriman's Website: https://www.successdevelopmentsolutions.com90 Day Success Jumpstart Training - https://jumpstart.successdevelopmentsolutions.comBreak Your Bullshit Box Community - https://www.facebook.com/groups/morethancorporate If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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You know, I want to be this type of person. I will become this type of person, right? I am becoming this type of person.Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:57  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the candid convo I had with Amber Fuhriman on our last episode. If you haven't listened to that one, you are going to need to listen to that one, because I'm stumbling over my words today. Brad Crowell 1:12  It's a great episode. It's a lot of fun.Lesley Logan 1:14  It's so good, it's so fun. And it was nice as local. And I really like being on her podcast, so you're gonna want to listen to it whether you listen to it first or last, I mean, there's, it's really okay, I think, in life to hear the ending and then watch the show. Sometimes I do that with real life TV, because I just want to know if I'm like, falling like, if I'm like, rooting for a villain or not. I just want to know. I gotta, I gotta have that information now.Brad Crowell 1:35  Yeah, she's not lying. She literally does this. Lesley Logan 1:38  Hey, you know what? Brad Crowell 1:39  Tell me. Lesley Logan 1:39  Bands would like drop just like a single song, but you'd go buy the whole album without listening to it. So you, in fact, knew there's one song I'm gonna love on this. Speaker 1 1:50  I think there's a difference between the teaser of something and the ending conclusion. Lesley Logan 1:55  These are not teasers. The recap episode is teasers. We are taking a talking point each, right? And of the many talking points that they had, so it's like two things.Speaker 1 2:06  I don't know what that has to do with going and watching the end of a TV show before you start the TV show. That's the conclusion versus a teaser. Lesley Logan 2:12  It's a sample, sampling. Brad Crowell 2:14  Okay. Lesley Logan 2:14  Sampling a part. Brad Crowell 2:16  It just happens to be the ending sample. Lesley Logan 2:18  Okay. Well, today is October 30th and we decided we want to talk about tomorrow, because tomorrow is Halloween. And I don't know about you, but I grew up. First of all, I went to some churches where Halloween was, like, just the evilest thing you couldn't even go trick or treating. Did you ever go to a church like that, like, where, like, they didn't even? Brad Crowell 2:35  No. Lesley Logan 2:35  Okay. Your church has always trick or treated? Brad Crowell 2:37  Yes. Lesley Logan 2:38  Okay. So I did not experience that all of my childhood. But then some churches, we could totally trick or treat, and then there were some churches where you could trick or treat, but like people, like whispered, you know. Brad Crowell 2:49  They whispered about trick or treating? Lesley Logan 2:51  At any rate, what no one talks about is how this holiday had nothing to do with the churches, and it wasn't even the Halloween. It was about something else. And we decided to tell you about the true history of Halloween. So.Speaker 1 3:03  Yeah, it's, it's actually like cultural warfare is, if you, if you want to look at it. Lesley Logan 3:08  I know, like, it's like an appropriation. Brad Crowell 3:10  Yeah. Well, they, yes, they appropriated the time and they renamed it. So we'll talk about that. Lesley Logan 3:16  Okay, many, many holidays were done this way. So Halloween originated from the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain, right. Brad Crowell 3:24  Samhain. Lesley Logan 3:25  No no. In the thing we looked up, it literally said to how to say it pronounced saa · wn. So Samhain is pronounced saa · wn spelled Samhain, but it's you say it saa · wn, let me go back to my sheet. Okay. A three day celebration held over 2000 years ago that marked the end of the harvest season and the beginning of the dark, cold winter. Are you gonna just.Brad Crowell 3:52  Sorry, just taking over right there. All right, keep going. Lesley Logan 3:55  Okay. Thank you so much. Okay, so the Celts believed that this was a time when the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead blurred, allowing spirits to roam the earth. To ward off harmful spirits and guide benevolent ones, they lit bonfires, wore costumes and left offerings and food outside their homes. Pause, just so you know, also in October in Cambodia, they do something called Pchum Ben and Pchum Ben, Pchum Ben, it is a almost month long celebration in parts of the country, but for sure, a three day celebration where everyone, no one works, including in the tourist city of Siem Reap we're only going to find expats working. You're not going to find a single Cambodian working. And they they don't get dressed up, but they celebrate and they do all these things so like that is awesome.Speaker 1 4:42  Pchum Ben is a Buddhist holiday that is celebrated every year where they believe that the souls of their ancestors are released for 15 days so that they can basically stay with family. Lesley Logan 4:53  Yeah, it's really cool. People like will travel on a moto for 11 hours to go with family. It's freaking crazy. But I just want to say, like, how cool, like, even across the world, the same, similar thing was happening. So to ward off harmful spirits and guide benevolent ones, they, oh, I already said that part, sorry. Speaker 1 5:09  They lit bonfires, wore costumes and left offerings, which is actually like it trickles down over the, you know, millennia. And the ancient custom, those ancient customs, kind of evolved into what are now, trick or treating, the costumes, decorations and parties celebrated for modern Halloween. I mean, we don't light bonfires and, you know that kind of a thing (inaudible).Lesley Logan 5:30  No because if you did, people are gonna think that you're a witch. But you can actually just say, no, I'm celebrating. How do you say it? Samhain, I'm celebrating Samhain Okay, so the oh, one more thing on this, the Roman and Christian influence. After the Romans conquered the Celtic lands, Roman festivals like Feralia and Pomona were incorporated into Samhain traditions. Later, the Catholic Church established All Saints Day on November 1st and All Souls Day on November 2nd, making October 31st All Hallows Eves, which means hallowed or holy, right? So they just.Brad Crowell 6:05  Which then become Halloween. Yup.Lesley Logan 6:08  .Yeah, So they just stole it. Brad Crowell 6:10  Yeah. Just just renaming things over here. Lesley Logan 6:12  So if you don't like that I'm harping on the church, you know it, sometimes we have to accept the responsibility of people from our past. Every fucking group of people has done something wrong, but it's more important to be like, educated and understand. And if you love Halloween, I love that for you. I decided to get into Halloween-ish, this year I got witchy nails, which are not done for this recording, but just check out my Instagram. They're witchy nails for me anyways. And when I because I just, like, remember, when I was why does everybody like, this holiday, but now that I, like, know the history of it and what it was for, I actually can get down with it.Speaker 1 6:50  It also marks like, it's actually the end of a season, going into the next season. So it was the end of harvest. So imagine, yeah, imagine, imagine you just spent all season, like, you know, really digging in on the harvest, and now it's time to party, and there's a new season coming. So I feel like it all kind of goes together. Lesley Logan 7:11  And also, like, I mean, just imagine a couple thousand years ago, like, life was so hard. And I also (inaudible), the more you look at the celebrations that they had, it really was like taking a pause of the hard work of life, and doing some sort of way to celebrate that. And we don't do that around here. We just, like, keep working through all the things. And like, at least in the States, maybe you take off a couple days for the actual holidays. And so I just, I feel like this is a holiday that has a lot more history to it. And and I, and I kind of like, what that history is. It seems really beautiful. And what a great way to spend time with family and past loved ones. And also, like, let's not forget, you know, in Mexico, they do Día de Muertos, which is on November 1st, right? Like, the big celebration of the like, there's a lot of different cultures that celebrate the people that have come before them and spend time together. And there's all this stuff. So anyways, just think about that. Think about the loved ones you had, and celebrate the harvesting you did, and report back. Okay.Speaker 1 8:09  Yeah, Lesley and I've been back from Cambodia and Singapore now for a week and a half. And it's just always so refreshing for us to get back to our second family over there. You know, people that we love, the places that we love to be in. The environment over there is just it's so magical. And we would love to have you join us next year, but get on the waitlist, because there's limited amount of spots. We're going to be going in October of next year, but we're going to be announcing all of that in January. So go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on the waitlist for information about the upcoming trip for 2026 we're only going one time next year, only going one time next year. We're only going one one time next year. Lesley Logan 8:50  Are you trying to convince yourself or everyone else? Brad Crowell 8:53  I'm letting everybody know, because a lot of people have said, oh, I'll come with you in the spring, and we're not going in the spring. We are only going in the fall next year, so, side note. Lesley Logan 9:04  And probably the year after that, I just have to say it to you. Brad Crowell 9:06  October 1st, we already rolled out our tour go to opc.me/events to join us for the OPC winter tour. We're gonna be driving all around the United States of America. We're gonna be going from Vegas all the way up to Boston, down to Miami and back. It's gonna be something like 24, 25 locations. It's kind of insane. We're very excited about it. We are going to be even bigger.Lesley Logan 9:28  We're going to studios we've not been to and have been excited. They've been on the list for a while. These are human beings that, like, we have literally been like, how do we make sure we get to see them again?Speaker 1 9:39  But you can find out all the specifics where we're stopping. Go to opc.me/events, chances are high that some locations may already be sold out. Lesley Logan 9:47  Yeah it's been out for a month. Brad Crowell 9:48  Because it's been out for a month. So but go check it out opc.me/tour. Then in January, where are you teaching?Lesley Logan 9:55  We'll be at the Pilates Journal, their first ever event in the U.S. It will be at Huntington Beach. If you go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal, you can get your tickets Brad Crowell 10:03  Pilates Journal Expo. Lesley Logan 10:05  Yeah. So Pilates Journal is a Pilates Journal. It's a magazine, and they.Brad Crowell 10:10  It's free, by the way. Lesley Logan 10:11  Is it? Brad Crowell 10:11  Yeah. The journal they release is free. Lesley Logan 10:14  Oh, I love that. I mean, I always just assumed, I just was given it for free. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Pilates Journal, but I just, I don't know. I just thought maybe they just (inaudible).Brad Crowell 10:23  I'm like 90% sure. Lesley Logan 10:25  But they, they do a really, they do events in Australia and. Brad Crowell 10:28  Yeah, subscribe for free. Lesley Logan 10:29  You can subscribe for free. I've written for articles for them several times. I think it's really worth looking into. But if you're a Pilates teacher, you should come. The lineup is amazing. Several of these teachers have taught. We've all taught together somewhere, but never taught all together. So like you're not going to see this line up again, you might as well come and then in February, we're going to host Agency Mini, that is our business coaching program for Pilates instructors and studio owners. And you're going to want to go to prfit,biz/mini. So it's profit without the O dot B-I-Z slash mini, to get on the waitlist. Also probably in January-ish, they'll be letting the waitlist people get the best discount. So I'm just saying. In March, we're going to two places in Europe. We'll be in Poland, at the Pilates Poland Controlology Pilates Conference. So go to xxll.co/poland by the way, I'm doing that with Karen Frischmann. And so if you like me, and you're gonna like Karen, I'm just gonna tell you right now, she's like, she's extremely smart, extremely knowledgeable. And like, I I feel, I feel like, like, you know how there's like the pop band, and then there's like the, like, uber rock, like, just has done, been doing music for decades, and like, they're just like, that's what it is. And so you, if you don't know Karen, I promise you're gonna love Karen. And if you know Karen, then what are you waiting for? The two of us will be together so we can, like, knock it out in one weekend, or go into Brussels, xxll.co/brussels. We'll be at El's studio there in Brussels, and we're very excited about it, different workshops at each event. So, but same teacher. So you're as long as long as you love Karen and I, or one of us, you're gonna have a great lineup. Just pick the one that works the best for you, and then we will, Brad is gonna take me on a second honeymoon, and then we are going to land and arrive at P.O.T in London. And I don't have a link for you, but you could just Google P.O.T., Balanced Bodies P.O.T. London, It will come up. They have amazing SEO. They're really good at what they do. And you can snag your spot. It is limited, and it sells out every year. So there you go. Before we get into this amazing interview with Amber, what is our question this week?Speaker 1 12:29  @marystarpilates asks, hey, Lesley, do you still do your continued education teacher training program? Where can I find information on that? Thank you so much. So I'm assuming she's talking about eLevate. Lesley Logan 12:41  Yes, I did clarify. And the answer is yes, she's talking about my mentorship program for Pilates instructors. So you have to have, you have to have done a comprehensive program in that, like, you should have been trained on the mat, Reformer, Cadillac or Tower and Chair, right? The Wunda Chair. Of course, I'd love it if you (inaudible) on the barrels. But like, I'm not worried about you being overwhelmed by the fifth weekend, but you need and then you have to have access to a mat, a Reformer, a Tower, Cadillac, a Chair and a Barrel. So you don't have to have a full studio access. It doesn't have to be classical. In fact, I work with both classically trained and contemporary trained people who are classic, classically curious, classical people who feel like they were like, taught this, like, rigid, you know, culty perfect way of doing Pilates, and they would like to have a little bit more fun. And we just really break down and ditch perfection and get really excited about what Joe gave us and what the intentions were, and free you from thinking you need to have a million fucking cues all the time. And also really help you with your own personal practice. Help you with seeing, help you with patience in your teaching. And so if you go to lesleylogan.co/elevate, you can learn more about it if you do the same exact URL, but add waitlist to it. So lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist, you can get on the waitlist for the next one, because this upcoming what year are we in right now? So 2026, is next year is sold out. Sold out. You can reach out to us. You never know what might happen. But 2027 is where we're already we're actually already taking people, taking applications, selling spots. The reality is mentorship programs like this. I have friends who have one who are five years booked in the future. I'm not going out that far. I'm kind of a year in advance kind of person, but if you know you want it then you can plan ahead. So that's what I would say. Speaker 1 14:24  Yeah, awesome. Well, stick around. We'll be, oh, actually. Lesley Logan 14:28  Go to beitpod you want to send us questions. Brad Crowell 14:30  Yeah, you have to join us for all these questions. Your participation is required, or we don't get to ask answer your questions. So 310-905-5534, hit us up or.Lesley Logan 14:39  And I want some fun questions. I want, I want relationship questions. I want family questions. I want career questions. I want some (inaudible) questions. Brad Crowell 14:50  She wants some juicy questions.Lesley Logan 14:51  I want, I want, I want. I also want the gossip that comes with the questions. You could be anonymous. Speaker 1 14:58  Go to beitpod.com/questions, where you can leave a win or a question. Thank you for that. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Amber Fuhrman. Amber Fuhriman is a recovering perfectionist and people pleaser and an attorney who now works as a coach, human behavior expert and podcaster. As a certified trainer of neuro linguistic programming or NLP, and host of the More Than Corporate Podcast. She blends her legal background with mindset and performance coaching to help high achievers push past limiting beliefs and perfectionism. And after years of believing success was about money and titles, Amber has redefined it as freedom choice and building a life that truly feels fulfilling. A lot of relation like a relatability here with her story and just.Lesley Logan 15:43  I know, another guest where it's like, oh, we're, like, just on the same we're on the same longitude, you know, just a different latitude. Like, she's doing something very similar, like it's, we're on the same longitude, but a different latitude, you know, like, like, Joe Allen was doing similar things with the orthodontist. And we do what we do for Pilates instructors and studio owners, and she does what she does for like, other professional it's just very cool. But also I love how our lives can bring a different lens to it, a different focus to what we do. And we I really appreciate her willingness and interest in like, we talk about people pleasing, and we talk about a bunch of stuff, but I just really got excited about talking about people pleasing because, like, how many of our listeners, how many people do we know that are doing things that are people pleasing? Brad Crowell 16:26  Well, I thought her definition of it was, she said, people pleasing is when you consider other people's feelings before you consider your own. And I thought that was interesting, especially because, you know, and then y'all talked about how.Lesley Logan 16:47  Yeah, we talked about see, so, like, I also think that some people pleasers are it's just another form of control. By the way, you can also be you're controlling people's emotions as well, or the outcome of people's emotions. But we, she clarified that not people pleasing doesn't mean being an asshole. Just for the purpose of being an asshole, like it's about instead about being authentic and speaking your truth. So meaning, like a lot of people will go to dinner with a family member on Thursday to people please, rather than which is not authentic, by the way, because you don't want to be there. You're gonna be somewhere else. So you're actually that's kind of, I think you're more of an asshole if you're people pleasing because you're not being authentic. I think that's we should re define people pleasing as being an asshole, a non-authentic person.Brad Crowell 17:28  Not authentic person. Lesley Logan 17:30  Yeah. So she advised, like, what you can do when you're not people pleasing is, like, were the actions that I took in alignment with who I want to be as a human So, meaning you decided to not people please. Someone had a reaction that was not something that you liked like all, that they're upset that you're not doing the thing for them. And so like, you get to ask yourself, were the actions that I took in alignment with who I want to be as a human being? If the answer is yes, then I will not apologize when I'm 100% in alignment with my actions. And you can understand that and accept me for I am, or you don't accept me and like, that is really hard for a lot of people, because, like, I'm gonna lose people. You guys were allowed to lose people in our life. We just are, and it's gonna happen. Like, it's impossible. It's impossible to keep everyone happy with you all of the time. There's just not, there's no way that is going to even be a possibility. And so if you are, if you are actually being authentic in alignment with how you feel and you speak that and someone doesn't like it, you are not in the wrong. They are also, by the way, there might not even be in the wrong.Speaker 1 18:29  I mean, look, you could be in the wrong, but if you are doing this to protect yourself or to stop people pleasing, this is when you have to ask yourself these questions. You know, were the actions I took in alignment with who I want to be as a human? If that's the case, then, then you can confidently move forward knowing that you weren't doing it to hurt them. You were doing it to uphold your own values, right? So if you were doing it to hurt them, then don't be an asshole. But if you're doing it to uphold your own values, that that's different.Lesley Logan 19:00  If you were doing it then hurt them. Sorry. You are being an asshole. But I just think that the more we can understand ourselves, the recovering people pleasers that we are, these are gonna be conversations you have to have with yourself. You're going to have to chit chat with yourself about like, okay, but give yourself pep talk. I want to be this person who speaks my heart, who shares how I feel, who's honest with how and will I will spend time with people, and that is going to upset some people who would like me to have more of me or have me at this thing. But I'm not in the wrong. I'm not an asshole. I'm being authentic and like, they will either come around or they won't. Speaker 1 19:35  Yeah, I really liked when she was talking about the like, toxic positivity, like, fake it till you make it. Where she was talking about, she, basically, I just, she was so frustrated about the idea of it, and she, she was like, don't ever put me in a room with people who believe this, because she's gonna lose her shit.Lesley Logan 19:59  Yeah, I want to be in that room. Actually, is that terrible? I like, I would like her to, like, she's such a good person with words. I would love to and she's a lawyer, so she's so good at articulating. Speaker 1 20:11  I mean she talked about, she talked about, you can't lie to yourself and convince you like you can, but there's dissidence that's happening when you're lying yourself in that way. And she said, the brain doesn't like distance between what is being said and what is truly believed. So, you know, she said, instead of doing that, instead of being like, I'm amazing, I'm beautiful in the mirror every morning, kind of a thing, she said, she advocates for affirmations that acknowledge the gap between who I think I am now and who I need to be in order to accomplish this. You know, I want to be this type of person. I will become this type of person, right? I am becoming this type of person, right? That's different than, you know, like.Lesley Logan 20:49  Like people do I am, I am rich. But if you're, like, barely able to pay your bills, like the brain is, that is not helpful. So I am becoming rich.Brad Crowell 20:57  Or I make decisions that are going to make me rich. Lesley Logan 21:00  Yes, I make decisions that are making me rich. I am on my way to abundance. I am, you know? Speaker 1 21:05  Yeah, I like that. And so it's, it's nuanced. It's nuanced here, you know, but I, but I actually appreciated that, and I thought, oh, that's a cool way to to adjust it, because sometimes it does feel fake, and that's annoying, and that's not, that's not. I have a hard time embracing that too, so I get that.Lesley Logan 21:20  Well, because scientifically, like in behavior science, like the brain, doesn't like dissonance, right? So, BJ Fogg, his sister, she was talking about how, you know, one of the habits, BJ likes to get people to start with from reading his book, it's like every day, get out of bed, you put your feet on the floor, like everybody does this. You can literally start a habit. Tomorrow morning, you put your feet on the floor. You say, today is going to be amazing. Or you can say, I'm amazing, but, like, usually he would say, today's me amazing day. And then you stand up and like, you like, so you want and like, it's a great first habits, a great way to start the day. And she, like, talked to us just like, yeah, so my husband died, and on the day of his funeral, I'm not going to put my feet on the floor. I go today is an amazing day. Because the brain isn't like dissonance, and that's gonna screw the habit up, right? Because it's gonna be like, oh, this is not real. So what she said is, today is going to be as good as it can be, right? And that's an honest thing. And so I think where she's.Speaker 1 22:16  And it's an affirmation, you know, like, still, is putting you on like, a path to see the good in the day. Lesley Logan 22:22  Without it being toxic positivity. It's like, it's an and so I actually really appreciated that because we taught we have a lot of people talk about, like, affirmation and mantras. And hers is like, yeah, so have ones that are that are actually helping you be it till you see it, not that are lying to you about what you are. That's not gonna be helpful. She's just super cool. I mean, I listened before I was on her podcast, because I met her in person for the podcast. I listened to several of her episodes, and I was just like, I feel like I'm learning so much. Brad Crowell 22:48  That's cool. Love it.Lesley Logan 22:49  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you don't have to put her on faster speed, just gonna be really honest, you can put it on a regular speed, because I had it on 1.75 I was like, maybe we'll take that down a little bit. It's like listening to me.Speaker 1 23:00  That's hilarious. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those into those Be It Action Items that you have with Amber Fuhriman in just a minute. Brad Crowell 23:10  All right, welcome back. So finally, what Be It Action Items, can we take away from your convo with Amber? Oh, I said that differently this time. For those of you who say it along with me, say it along with me. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Amber Fuhriman? She said, hey, when you are struggling with overthinking or in or you are struggling with intense emotions, this is really cool y'all. She said, create an SOS list, meaning the list of people that you are flashing the SOS sign to, right? And this list is just two or three trusted people who you can reach out to, and they can be your gauge for you, right, that they can help you when you know you're spiraling out, like if, if you know, for example, if you are like an overthinker and you can't put it into action, and you recognize I'm overthinking again. I'm not acting. I need you to actually just get started. You can text your SOS list, you know, but first ask them if that, you know, they're willing to be on it. But you can develop a specific, predetermined SOS phrase, like Amber said, I'm stuck at the airport, right? And for her, being stuck at the airport is like she's prepping, she's prepping, she's prepping, she's prepping, but she's never taken off. She's never taken off. She's always stuck at the airport. So she said, explain what the SOS phrase means to you, and clarify that if you send that message to your people on the SOS list, it really means I need somebody to check in on me right now. So for example, you know, I imagine it may change over time. You know, what does your SOS mean, right? Especially when Amber's partner died, I imagine it was a, you know, a different reason to be reaching out than now where she's, you know, it's been a couple of years, and she's moving on, and she's running a company and things like that. You know. So she said, it really will help you have somebody check in on you. Who, who you trust to understand like, I need help right now. So when you find yourself in those overwhelm moments, send an SOS to your list. And she said the decision to ask for help actually allows your brain to see solutions. Okay, even if they don't get back to you instantaneously, it will put you on a different path to see solutions, particularly helpful for recovering perfectionists who find it really hard to say, I actually need some help right now. So really cool idea. Lesley Logan 25:35  Something has nothing to do with what we're talking about now, right now. But like my brain went to this person, somebody in China, bought a first class ticket to some Chinese airline, which means that you get to eat in the first class lounge before you take off. And because it's a first class ticket, it's like fully refundable and transferable. So for 300 times, 300 meals, this person would check into the airport, check into the first class lounge, eat for free, and then reschedule their ticket. And they did this 300 times before anyone's like, what is this person doing? So talk about being stuck at the airport, and I just thought, is the food that good? Because the actual like going to an airport, getting into a first class lounge is so annoying.Speaker 1 26:27  Even the food at the Centurion lounge, it's good, but I wouldn't say it's great. Lesley Logan 26:31  And also, not all Centurion lounges are created equal. I like ours, but the L.A. one, you can get it together as can you JFK, just saying, Okay, my big, back on track. Brad Crowell 26:41  Yeah, how about you over here? Lesley Logan 26:43  Recognize you have complete control over your daily decisions. You've complete control your daily decisions. I think we like to outsource decisions like I can't do that because x, y and z, but you have complete control over your daily decisions. And if you're unhappy, you have to dig into the decisions you're making to create that situation. Are you saying yes to things you should be saying no to? Are you staying up late the night before so you feel like shit in the morning, right? So understand that avoiding a decision is still a decision. Oh, avoiding a decision is still a decision, and make different choices to change your outcomes. She also said.Speaker 1 27:22  I think that's been the biggest thing that has changed my stress level is that I would avoid making a decision, but in the back of my mind, it was still I knew I had to address this thing, whatever this thing would be. It didn't matter what it was like, I might like just be unwilling to open a text message from somebody because I knew it was going to launch a whole thing. I got to go down this thing and then I would push it off, and then, you know, or it's like email inbox kind of stuff, too, like, avoid it, avoid it until it's like an actual problem. Yeah, and that was one of the biggest changes, was making the decision to stop avoiding things and to just hug a cactus, as it were. But I love that. I think, I think acknowledging that avoiding a decision is actually still a decision that was super helpful for me.Lesley Logan 28:08  And she said, consider her 90 Day Success Jumpstart Training or join her free Break Your Bullshit Box community. So I and that's on Facebook, if you, if you go there, I mean honest on I went on Facebook the other day, and I was like, oh, wow, look at all these people I can unfollow. Thank you for acknowledging yourself, sir and sir and you so anyways. But I just thought this is such a bright, wonderful, honest and maybe a little maybe you feel called out, maybe you feel called out, and maybe you need to, because you got to break your bullshit. You know. And I just think a lot of us the what's getting in the way of being it till we see it is people pleasing and telling ourselves that we don't have control over certain things, some things you do, and we just gotta be honest about that. So, share this with a friend who needs to hear it, especially the people pleasing one, because those people can bother your life too. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 28:56  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 28:58  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Attorney and success strategist Amber Fuhriman joins Lesley for a raw and empowering talk about perfectionism, people-pleasing, and the hidden fear behind our need for clarity. Amber opens up about how achievement became her coping mechanism and how trauma can disguise itself. Together, they unpack toxic positivity, hyper-independence, and what it really means to redefine success on your own terms. You'll walk away with Amber's SOS system to ask for help before burnout hits.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How people-pleasing can quietly sabotage your goals and boundaries.Why success and busyness often mask deeper emotional pain.How “seeking clarity” hides perfectionism and fear of making mistakes.The real cost of toxic positivity and how to embrace hard emotions.How Amber's SOS system helps you stop overthinking and take action.Episode References/Links:Break Your Bullshit Box Facebook Community - https://www.facebook.com/groups/morethancorporateAmber Fuhriman's Website: https://www.successdevelopmentsolutions.com90-Day Success Jumpstart - https://jumpstart.successdevelopmentsolutions.comRory Vaden's TED Talk - https://youtu.be/y2X7c9TUQJ8?si=yV69LFYhwgBlc4zYTiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/0MOylqVGuest Bio:Amber Fuhriman is an attorney, success strategist, and speaker who helps high achievers create success aligned with self-awareness and authenticity. She is a certified Trainer of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) and uses mindset and communication tools to help clients overcome perfectionism and fear-based decision-making. Amber hosts the Break Your Bullshit Box* podcast, where she leads honest conversations about leadership, mindset, and the courage to live fully. Her work focuses on helping professionals bridge the gap between external achievement and internal fulfillment. Through her coaching and speaking, Amber empowers others to define success on their own terms and take purposeful action toward it. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We both lost our dads at the age of 18. We both had siblings that we felt like relied on us. There were these things that were identical to who we were, yet I went to law school and he went to jail. He became a drug addict. He has turned his life around now, and he's clean and sober, yet people look at him and they say, you're such a screw up. And people look at me and they say, you're so successful. What they don't realize is we were numbing the same thing. Academic accomplishment was my numbing mechanism. If I did enough, if I focused on something else, then I wouldn't have to feel what I was going through.Lesley Logan 0:49  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:32  All right, Be It babe, get ready. This interview, we go on the best journey. It's so good. The Be It Action Item was great. There's also some really good action steps to take within the interview. Amber Fuhriman is our guest today, and I wanted to have her on because I got to be on her amazing podcast. And I loved her questions so much. I loved her responses. I loved the conversation. I was like, she should be on this show, because if anyone's been being it it till you see it, it's her, and we talk about people pleasing and perfectionism and success. And I just think you're going to have a really great time. I think it's going to be really eye opening. Pay attention to the SOS thing. I think that's a killer. And let me know what your takeaways are. I want to hear about it. So here's Amber Fuhriman. Lesley Logan 2:10  All right, Be It babe. Get ready. I know this is going to be a great conversation, because I've already had the pleasure of meeting this woman on being on her podcast, and we could have gone on for hours. So I just decided, well, let's just continue the conversation over on my podcast. Amber Fuhriman, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Amber Fuhriman 2:27  I'm so excited to be here, and I agree with you. We could have talked forever, and you just meet people. It's crazy we're both in Vegas, because I think our response was, how have we not crossed paths? Like, how is two amazing people that it is fantastic not met before now, so I'm so excited. To sum it up, I'm a recovering perfectionist, a people pleaser that is learning how to not people please. I'm an attorney, a, it's a struggle, man, the struggle bus is big on the people-pleasing train, right? Yeah. I am a attorney, sometimes in recovery, sometimes not. And I do coaching and human behavior and podcasting and all of the things.Lesley Logan 3:05  Oh my gosh. I think everyone their ears perked up when they heard, oh, you're a recovering perfectionist and a recovering people-pleaser. like, hi, who are you, like, we're listening? Because the people-pleasing, looking to start there, it is really hard. And I think it's like, I think some people don't even realize they're people-pleasing. I think that they think they're being kind.Amber Fuhriman 3:24  Yeah. I think that's so true, and I also think we don't, we've never been told to talk about it, because people-pleasing is what we were told we were supposed to be as not even just women. I mean, I do think women have it more than men, but I don't want to exclude men from the conversation of people-pleasing, but I do think that we as women were told that our job is to be there for other people. We are traditionally put into nurturing roles. I remember being the only female attorney at the criminal defense firm I worked at before I started my business, and we had a really sensitive case, and I remember them coming in and saying, Amber, we need you. We need a woman's touch. And I said, you, and you asked me, like, have you not met me? Like, I'm so rough around the edges. If you need somebody that can nurture this poor woman, I should be your last choice. I can look at six men that will do a better nurturing job than I will, but there's this perception that we're just supposed to take care of other people.Lesley Logan 4:20  Yeah, yeah. And it's like, can you, do you know, like, what are, in case people don't know, what are some signs that they are a people-pleaser? Do you have that off the top of your head, like?Amber Fuhriman 4:30  Yeah, I think the one that's coming to my head the most right now is that you care about what somebody else is going to feel about your actions more than you care about what you're going to feel about your actions. So you go to say something or do something, and the first thought you have is, but what will the other person think? And I am, I want to clarify that there's zero part of me that's telling you to go around being an asshole, just for the purposes of being an asshole, but if your authentic self and you speaking your truth and who you are, is going to piss somebody else off, then let them fucking be pissed.Lesley Logan 5:05  Oh, okay, so here, my mind went so many places, because one of the things that, we coach Pilates studio owners a lot, and so we're small business owners, and, like, also just in life, go out, and I like talking to small business owners, and it is amazing how many people, like, don't want to change their policies, don't want to charge for a late cancelation and won't raise their rates because they are so concerned with how it's going to affect the other person that it's actually affecting their business from making the money it needs to make for them to stay in business. And it's like to your point, of course, I'm not an asshole who doesn't care how they feel, and I don't want to lose them as a client. But also, if I don't make enough money doing this, when I am working with clients, they are taking a spot from someone who could pay me so that I can actually provide for my family, so I cannot put their feelings so far ahead that I'm actually suffering.Amber Fuhriman 5:53  Yeah, and I don't think we think about it that much right, like if I am speaking my truth and I'm being me, and I'm being authentic to who I am, and that upsets somebody, and I think, oh my gosh, I can't say that, because they're going to be upset. Are they putting the same thought process into whether they're asking me to be somebody different than who I am? Right? Why is it that we are the ones that have to adjust and and I know this is going to trigger some people out there, so you're welcome and I love you, because the reality is one of my favorite sayings is that your actions are all about you, and their responses are all about them. So whenever I have somebody who responds emotionally to something that I'm doing, the first question I ask myself is, were the actions that I took in alignment with who I want to be as a human being. Do I need to adjust something? Are they rightfully upset? Did I act out of alignment with who I am? If I did, then I have some apologies to make. I have some internal work to do. I have some questions to ask, but if I can look back and say I am 100% congruent with the actions that I took, and yes, I want to repair this relationship, and I will be there for you when you're ready to have a conversation, but I will not apologize when I am 100% in alignment with my actions. This is a conversation you get to understand and accept me for who I am, or don't accept me, and it is a beautiful place to get to, but it's not easy. Lesley Logan 7:17  Yeah, thank you for clarifying, like how you can self-reflect, to just address and also double check what you're doing. Because I think especially if you are trying to not people-please as much, you're going to need that set of tools to help you get there, because you're going to have people who get pissed off. The first people who get pissed off are your close family and friends who will get that's who you're people-pleasing for so many years are not going to like when you start acting different.Amber Fuhriman 7:43  Yeah and I think family and friends is the hardest, because they're going to support you the least by nature, which is not all their fault. It's human behavior, right? We exist. So for the people that are listening, there's this term that I love in NLP, called perception is projection. And basically what that means is we project all of the things about ourselves out onto the world. So everybody that we come in contact with is meant to teach us a lesson, positive or constructive about ourselves, right? So we can only see the world as we are. So when we start making positive changes in our life, when we start becoming the next version of who we are. We are fucking with the perception that our friends and family have held of us for a really long time, and that messes with their identity, because now they're faced with, do I level up or do I stay and leveling up takes courage and getting out of a comfort zone and something that not everybody's ready to do. So when they're faced with that choice, sometimes it's easier for them to try to convince you not to change than it is for them to face their own bullshit of whether or not they're going to be willing to join you.Lesley Logan 8:54  Oh my gosh. Everyone rewind. Hear that one more time. It was so good. It's so good. We can keep going on this path. But I also wanted to say, like, maybe let's go on a journey with you. You like, have you always wanted to be a coach? Did you always want to, like, dive into helping people with success and things like that? Or was like being an attorney, like the thing you wanted to do? Like, what's the journey that got you to where you are today, podcasting and helping people like you do?Amber Fuhriman 9:18  Yeah, the answer is neither. So I will say that going to law school was a trauma response for me, and because it was a trauma response, the question I hated the most was, what made you decide to go to law school, or why did you go to law school? Because I never had an answer. For me, I grew up in, I was born in the '80s, grew up in the late '80s, early '90s. So I say that because that period of time, for those of us who were raised there, we were taught that we put in enough hard work and there was this level of payout that's gonna come at the end, right?.Lesley Logan 9:50  Oh yes, yes, you work hard and you're going to get rewarded, also. Amber Fuhriman 9:54  Hard work pays off, I fucking hate that phrase. Lesley Logan 9:56  If you add that, if you add a layer of religion in there, the same thing, like, there's a lot of gold at the end of all of this for the people who do everything perfectly right, and work harder than yesterday. And you know what? Also, also, you should do 110% at work just to prove that you deserve the paycheck you're getting, and then be happy that they didn't fire you and not give you, like, like, all these different things. But anyways, keep going.Amber Fuhriman 10:24  Yeah, yeah, no. So, so you get it. And then the second part of what I'm about to share is the reality that we often say what it is we want to have, but we don't articulate the reason those things are important to us. And so we never understand and get to make the connection of whether what we think we want is actually going to bring the payout that we think it's going to bring. So let me bring this down a little bit for you. So I grew up in the world where money equaled success, success equaled happiness, and I was in so much pain. So I talk about this in my book, when I decided to go to therapy in 2016 and decided is an overstatement, when I was suffering from panic attacks and had no choice but to go to therapy because I couldn't breathe, in 2016 it was the first time I had ever heard the term abandonment disorder. I didn't know what that meant. And then I started looking back at my life, and I started experiencing death for the first time at the age of seven. My cousin, I had two suicides in my family before the age of 14. My dad died when I was 18. Like our brains don't comprehend that somebody died. They just comprehend that somebody's gone, right? So for me, I was just so used to people leaving me that it created this belief that people aren't going to stick around, and I've got to be super hyper independent, along with that, after my dad passed away, when I went to a grief counselor for the first time, the first thing they did was try to put me on antidepressants. And I never wanted to be medicated, so in my brain, that connected if I talk to anybody about not being okay, they're going to medicate me, and I don't want that, so I just pretended I was good, until I couldn't pretend anymore. After my dad passed away, I failed out of undergrad. I was the first person in my family to go to college. I really struggled with this idea of grief and success at the same time. So when I was at my rock bottom, I thought, something's got to change. I've always loved legal thrillers. I fell into the trap of thinking that life as an attorney was a John Grisham book, which it is, sadly not. My dad and I talked about me going to going to law school. He thought I'd really like it. He was no longer here, so it was kind of a connection to him. But most importantly, it's the only way I knew to make six figures, and that money equals success. Success equals happiness. Happy people don't feel pain. So in 2016 after I'd gone to law school, I'd made my first six figure income. I had the respect in my profession, and I still hurt. I didn't know how to breathe, and that's when my panic attacks started. It was learning the human behavior behind choices, healing from my own choices, uncovering and dealing with the masks that I put on throughout my whole life as I saw the benefits of that. That's when coaching kind of opened its doors to me.Lesley Logan 13:22  Wow, thank you for that whole journey. And I think I can, I don't, I don't have, I didn't have the grief part of it in my childhood, but I definitely had the hyper independence, like, you know, I, I, there's pictures of me as a little girl, like, making my own breakfast, because my dad was, like, very into, like, build a bit, like, you have to be able to take care of yourself. And like, so like, as a three year old, like, the bowl of cereal was poured and the milk was in the fridge, and I had to grab the milk from the fridge, it's already poured in a cup for me to fill my bowl. And, like, I love the independence it taught, but also, layered with that whole, and my parents for good reason, like, they live in a small town. They do not have money. So if they're like, if you want to have a life that's not like this, you have to go to college, because college is going to guarantee a paycheck.Amber Fuhriman 14:12  It's so comical now, right?Lesley Logan 14:13  It guaranteed a lot of student loans. I'm glad, of course, I'm glad I went. I would not be here today had I not gone on that journey, because I don't believe anything happens without happening for us, but because I'm but I did laugh as like in the 2008 recession, when I was a full time Pilates instructor that is not why I went to school for, and I was like, well, this $700 month student loan bill sucks, but I wouldn't have found a Pilates had I not been there. So, like, all these different things happen for the way they go. But it took me a really long time, and I'm still learning today, it's probably the thing, the hardest thing I'll ever have to learn is like, I cannot do it all alone. So I'm constantly thanking my team. I'm constantly thinking, my team. I have to remind myself, my team. And then when things go wrong, I have to the my first reaction is like, I could have done it better, and I have to go, no, I could have explained it better. I could have, maybe I could reflect back and see where I could have checked things more. I could have. But, like, I that hyper independence is a really hard thing, I think for a lot of women, because what they do is they just do everything themselves, and then they're burnt out and they're pissed off, and they'are resentful. Amber Fuhriman 15:19  Yeah. Yeah. And I think so when you say I could have done it better, you're saying you could have done it better than the team or better than. Lesley Logan 15:26  Myself. I could have done it better myself. Amber Fuhriman 15:27  You could have done it better yourself. Lesley Logan 15:28  Yeah, which is not true, because I can't even do, I can't even like, do technology myself, so.Amber Fuhriman 15:34  Right. And I fall into that often. And the reason I asked for clarification was because I wanted to make sure I understood what you meant. And maybe we could have, right, done it better, but we can do it better once, and then they get to be better at it by doing it over and over again. But I think more importantly, have you ever heard Rory Vaden's TED Talk, Procrastinate on Purpose? Lesley Logan 15:56  Yes, yes. Amber Fuhriman 15:57  Oh my gosh. I love this so much. And one of the things that he says in there that really sticks with me is by saying yes to one thing, you're saying no to an infinite amount of other things that you don't even know yet. So when we say I could have done that thing better, maybe that's true, but what is the thing that we actually did better that we wouldn't have been able to do had we focused on that thing that we might have done better? Right?Lesley Logan 16:20  Yeah, yeah. I think that's so good. And I think, like, we, I, we all have our things that we are overcoming. And like, it'll think you, you're in the coaching world, so, like, maybe you can address this. I think the perfectionist in us, and in all the people listening, is that, like, we should get over it. And I've determined, or come to some comfort thinking that, like, nothing you're ever over it, you just get quicker at identifying that you're in it and that you have to deal with it. Amber Fuhriman 16:49  What is it, the perfectionism? Lesley Logan 16:51  The perfectionism or the thing that you're like, whatever your whatever your trigger is, so like, the hyper independence, or the people-pleasing, or it's not that you're like, you just like, overcome it and it's behind you and you'll never do it again. It's like, I think that, like, it still comes up in different levels or different ways, and you have to go, oh, I recognize it a little sooner. Like, instead of it taking days for me to get over it, like, whatever it is, like, I it takes me an hour, or takes me five minutes, I go, oh, that's me falling into that trap again.Amber Fuhriman 17:20  Yeah, I think it's so important to focus on that, because one of the things that we do in our trainings is we help people with some emotion-related conversations, which is basically every conversation we're ever going to have in life. So when we think about some of these perfectionism and people-pleasing and even overthinking or lack of delegation, or whatever the behavior is, usually that is tied to some emotional response that's usually tied to anger, sadness, fear, hurt or guilt, which are five major emotions. Normally when we're talking about what, what the purpose is of these behaviors, we can tie it back to one of those five emotions. So as we do the emotion work, the behaviors start to shift, and one of the biggest ones is fear, right? I'll ask people, what's the purpose of not delegating? Well, I'm afraid it won't get done as good if I do it, or I'm afraid like somebody will see it and it won't be mine, and then that'll trigger this imposter, or whatever it is, right? So when we're talking about this, understanding what we're actually feeling when we experience those behaviors is so incredibly important, so we can deal with those emotions, but I think also being able to tap into what the purpose of those behaviors are. So whenever somebody that I'm working with has a behavior like perfectionism or lack of delegation, or whatever the it is, I'll ask them, what's the purpose of this? And they're like, well, it doesn't serve a purpose. And my response is always, it must, or else you wouldn't do it, because every behavior has an intention. So what is it that you're gaining or avoiding by doing these behaviors, because that's where the real work is done.Lesley Logan 19:03  This, as a habits coach that's the same thing, like BJ Fogg, who I study with, he said there's no such thing as a bad habit, because every habit serves you. If you don't like a habit that you have, that's okay, but there's no there's they're not good or bad. It's just, like they all either they're providing certainty or safety or there's a actual positive feeling you're getting from it in your brain, even if you don't like that you do. If you don't like that, you scroll. There's something that you're getting that's a dopamine hit that your brain is like, this makes me feel good. Now, to unravel that, we have to figure out what the prompt is, and we have to figure out, you know, how do we get that same, a similar feeling with something else that you actually do want? But I, thank you for (inaudible) that journey. Can I ask, like, I think, like something that stuck out, and we don't have to talk about this, if you don't want to, but like, you mentioned that like going to law school is like a trauma response. I feel like most people wouldn't think that like going and taking yourself to school would be a trauma response. I guess I'm wondering, like, what are, what are some trauma responses that people might not realize that, like, that's a trauma response they'd be doing. Like, can we talk a little about trauma responses?Amber Fuhriman 20:06  Yeah, absolutely. And I'm an open book, so I will go anywhere you want to go. So let me give an example. This is when I started to realize that it was kind of a trauma response. I have a really good friend of mine that I did a podcast interview with about four years ago, when I first, first started my podcast, he's one of the first people that I met in the personal development space, and one of the reasons we connected is because we had so many similarities in our life. So if you took away our names and our identities and our genders, and you looked at just the dots that were important to our identity, we both had a history of suicide in our family. We both lost our dads at the age of 18. We both had siblings that we felt like relied on us. There were these things that were identical to who we were, yet I went to law school and he went to jail. He became a drug addict. He has turned his life around now, and he's clean and sober, yet people look at him and they say you're such a screw up, and people look at me and they say you're so successful. What they don't realize is we were numbing the same thing. Academic accomplishment was my numbing mechanism. If I did enough, if I focused on something else, then I wouldn't have to feel what I was going through. And I think that we fall into this trap of thinking that because our and I'm really careful when I compare this, because our addiction is socially acceptable. We convince ourselves that it's healthy, right? But it's not. We're still numbing. If you're I mean, obstacle course racing that I did for a really long time was a numbing mechanism for me when law school didn't work. At some point in time, we get to feel the feels. At some point in time, we get to just be human and be enough without feeling like we need to be or do or become something more when we feel that way, when we feel like I am enough right now, then the things that we want to do and become become additional exciting opportunities for us, instead of the thing that is going to fix us or heal us. And I think that's the difference. So when we, when I look at law school as a trauma response, the only reason I can say that it was one is because I didn't go to law school because I wanted to go to law school. I went to law school because it was supposed to fix or stop the pain of something, and anytime we do one thing because it's supposed to make us not hurt, I think that there's some trauma in there, and that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. It just means that we get to take it for what it is.Lesley Logan 22:46  Yeah, I think, my yoga teacher was I interviewed on my podcast, and his he was talking about, like, everyone's label things as good and or and bad. And he's like, that's just not really how it works. He's like, you can't have happiness without sadness. You can't, like, all these things have to exist for you to feel happy. You have to have felt pain. Like, that's the only way you can do it, which I think is really interesting, that we were taught like, success equals happiness and happy people don't feel pain. That's not true. But he also said, like, you know, in our society, we tend to think, oh, someone who drinks wine at the end of the night is numbing, and that's bad. But actually, like, there's been a lot of people who have even said like Mindy Pells, he said it there's someone else who's like, if that glass of wine helps you relax after a hard day and allows you to connect with your family, allows you to talk to them and to be fun, it might not be bad. Now, if it's you're doing it every night, too numb from the pain of work and also ignore your family, then it's not really serving you. Then it's so like, we do have responses to things, and as long as we're evaluating like, how is this actually serving us? Is it serving us? Is it actually serving the people that we say we love? Then we can't we need to stop being so hard on ourselves about some of the things that we're doing and that some things that we might not deem healthy aren't really healthy. Because I actually really liked that you told that story. You know, I have a real, after living in L.A. and living around unhoused people for as long as I did, just it's really, it's like nails on a chalkboard when someone says that they're lazy, why don't they go get help? Why don't they use resources? And it's just like we have no idea what their life was that led them here. Most people who are mentally healthy do not choose to live on the streets. You know, like, most people.Amber Fuhriman 24:27  And only that, like, I love that we went here, and I'm gonna piss some people off here in just a minute. So remember, you love me. I just did a keynote in Nashville in March, and my keynote is, every victim needs a villain, and it's so easy for us to look at people who live on the street as being a victim and be the person that's like, why don't you do this, or, why don't you do this? What about the person that wakes up pissed off at their job every single day and doesn't take control of their life? What about the person that wakes up and doesn't run their business the way that they want to do or that they could in order to make more money? What about the person that wakes up without good relationships with their family and then allows those relationships to destroy them inside? Because they have a roof over their head, doesn't mean that they're any less of a victim than anybody else. So we get to sit back and say, yeah, it's really easy for us to sit here and judge this type of victim, because we can look at them and we can identify that they are not societally acceptable. But your type of victim, whatever it is you're a victim of, because I promise you, every single person is a victim of something. It's a lot less easy for us to look internally and say what am I not taking control of in my own life?Lesley Logan 25:40  Yeah, Gosh, what a great TED Talk. And also, like, I think, like, what came to my mind is, like, a lot of people are like, well, my problems aren't as bad as so it's not that big a deal.Amber Fuhriman 25:50  And that works double sorted wise, right? Yeah, because, number one, my problems aren't as bad as this, so I don't need to deal with them. It's really unfortunate because the person who is living unhoused didn't wake up one day and live unhoused. There were not that bad problems that started it right. But second of all, the other side of that is when it comes time to become something great we also use that to say, well, my life didn't have the transforming moments because my problems weren't that bad, so I don't have anything to share with the world. So we get to just stop comparing ourselves in general, and say there's this thing that I don't like about what's going on right now, and regardless of whether somebody else has it worse, I still get to deal with this thing. And I want to tangent just a little bit, because you mentioned something earlier that I want to make sure that we dig into, which is the success happiness thing and it's toxic.Lesley Logan 26:46  You're reading my mind. Yeah, we're going here next.Amber Fuhriman 26:50  Toxic happiness and toxic positivity culture that some people live in, like I absolutely despise affirmations, the way that they are traditionally taught, which is stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself you're pretty until you believe it. Because this fake it till you make it mentality doesn't work. And if I don't think that I have self-worth, and I don't think I'm pretty, and I don't think like that I'm capable of whatever, then standing in front of a mirror and lying to myself about it isn't going to do a goddamn thing, except for convince myself I'm a liar, right, right? Lesley Logan 27:21  Well, the brain doesn't like distance, so you can't, that's why this is not called fake it till you make it, right, like, that's. Amber Fuhriman 27:26  Yeah, which I love. I love. So we get to pay attention to what that voice is. When you stand in front of a mirror and you say, I can have a seven figure business. I can have an eight figure business. What does that voice tell you? Because instead of just telling that voice it's wrong. We get to understand where does that voice's beliefs come from, and heal whatever that is that makes us believe that. So, and I'm not saying like so, the best way that I've ever seen affirmations done is to say this is who this is what I want to accomplish. This is who I need to be in order to accomplish it, and this is who I think I am now, so that you can see the gap between them to become it, and then your affirmations become things about yourself that you are in control of, that you are committed to being in order to level up to that next step of your life. So that's the first side. The other side is this toxic positivity and happiness. Like, if somebody else looks at me and says just think happy thoughts. I'm going to shove them through a glass window. Like, so I want people to hear this, because especially in the clickbait side of personal development, there's like, just feel better about yourself. Yeah, that's great. Like, thanks for the million dollar advice. Lesley Logan 28:38  It's like when someone says, well, you know, calm down. It's like the same, the same visceral response happens, I think, like, there, as we know, as you and I know, on the other side of things, yes, you can always look back on a rear view mirror and go, that shitty situation was a great thing to help me pivot. But while you're in the shitty situation, what you don't need to hear is just think happy thoughts. This is going to be great, like this is no no one needs to hear that from you. They can come up with that themselves, but at first they do have to feel the feelings of the shitty situation.Amber Fuhriman 29:16  Yeah and when I hear that, so the one for me that really resonates, and the reason I laughed is because when I was suffering from panic attacks, I would love it when people would say, Amber, just breathe. And I'm like, have you ever had a panic attack? I'm telling you, that's what I'm not capable of doing right now. Like, I would love to just breathe. You make it sound so simple. I like it takes every thought that I have in every ounce of focus to get air in my lungs right now. So just breathing doesn't seem as easy as you make it sound, but I think the other side of this just think happy thoughts, comment that you made is it makes us feel like we're doing something wrong, or that we are wrong because we're not okay. And it is okay to not be okay, it's just not okay to stay not okay, right? I got a. Water bottle at a conference I went to once that said nobody drowned by falling in the water. They drowned by staying there. So like we get to acknowledge like I'm not okay right now, how long am I going to allow myself to not be okay, and where do I need to be and who do I need to be around in order to be okay? So in this, in this vein, I encourage all of my clients to create an SOS list. And I actually encourage them, if they have an iPhone, to go into their text replacement and come up with an SOS phrase and replace SOS with their SOS phrase. So for example, mine is, I'm stuck at the airport because my so my SOS moments are normally overthinking. And I remember talking to a good friend of mine, and I was venting about what direction I was going to take my business. And I was tired of constantly feeling like I was having the same conversations about growth and not taking action and all the bullshit. And I said you know what I feel like? I said, I feel like I'm stuck at the airport. And she says what do you mean by that? And I said, I feel like somebody has given me an all expense golden ticket, paid vacation to anywhere that I want to go in the world. All I have to do is pick the plane that I'm going to get on. But instead of actually choosing a plane, I'm standing in front of the departures board looking at which one that I want to do, over analyzing every decision, and then I become Tom Hanks living in an airport, right? So for me, any choice I made would be a better choice than what I'm doing right now, but I'm so overthinking it that I can't express what I want. So I think that what's important is when we're in those moments we are sometimes so in our thoughts that we don't know how to ask for help. So if you have that close knit group of friends that you can say you are on my SOS list. If I text you and say I'm stuck at an airport, I am in my shit. So whatever your phrase is, what you'll find, and what's beautiful is that the moment you send that message, your brain knows that it's okay and you will normally have the answers that you're looking for before they even call you back. It's that decision to ask for help that allows your brain to say, okay, now I can see solutions. So if you if you find yourself in those places, pick two or three people, reach out to them, get their permission, I'm going to put you on what's called My SOS list. This is my SOS phrase. This is what it means to me. If I ever send this to you, it just means that in that moment, I really need somebody to check on me because I don't know how to ask for help.Lesley Logan 32:32  Oh, my god, that is so good. And I love that so much, because it makes me think of like Brené Brown said, like, I have five people. I have a name of five people in my life whose opinions of me matter, and they know that their opinions may matter, and if I have bad feedback or something comes up, I look at that list and it's like, okay, well, they're they're not my five person list. So who are they? So it makes me think of that. It's like having these lists of people that can help us, because it is, it is hard to fall in the water, not judge yourself for falling in the water, not get frustrated that you're back in the water and then, and then you're like, okay, I get to feel my feelings, and then somehow it gets becomes a habit, and you're still in the water, right? Like, so I really do like that like, we get to fall in the water, we can actually feel these feelings, and then when we're ready to get up and ask, like, we have a way of asking for help, which isn't like, I need help right now, because that is so the recovering perfectionist in the world, like that is like you that's like a that's a four letter word is I need (inaudible). Amber Fuhriman 33:30  Yes. Well, because a lot of this perfectionist thing comes from, you know, everybody's different, so I hate lumping behavioral traits into this is where they come from, but I've seen some trends, and a lot of it comes from believing that we had to be something in order to be valued and loved and worthy of connection, right? That just ourselves wasn't, so if we are imperfect, that means that we're unlovable, and I find that there's a lot of that connection between perfection end. And then the other thing that I love right now is the word clarity, that, because I see that everywhere, and I remember my coach telling me. Lesley Logan 34:10  (inaudible) having an authentic moment, clarity is. Amber Fuhriman 34:12  Yeah, yeah. Like my coach kept saying, so when are you going to take action? And I said, I just need some clarity. Just need some clarity. And I didn't realize how much I said it, and I'll never forget her telling me, Amber, you realize clarity is just the word perfectionist used to not use the word perfection. I'm like, I hate you right now, and I love you.Lesley Logan 34:29  I have a coach who said certainty is perfection in disguise. I'm like, fuck you. You're right. Like, like, I need it. Amber Fuhriman 34:39  I hate it when you're right. Lesley Logan 34:41  Yeah. You're like, I know that. I knew that. Amber Fuhriman 34:44  So, there's this, there's this video. This is what I feel like when I talk to my coach sometimes, there's this video of a little boy. I'll have to send it to you, and you can put it in the show notes. It's hilarious. A little boy, and you know those slides that we grew up with, like, not the safe ones that kids have today, but the metal ones that you were either going to burn your ass on when you go down, or you were going to end up bruised because you went so fast that you hit the gravel. Yeah, we didn't have those soft, padded, black, safe surfaces that kids get now. So I was watching a video of this little, maybe six year old boy, and he's walking towards this death slide that we grew up with, and he's carrying a blue toboggan behind him, and you can see that in his little six year old boy brain, he's going to climb up the stairs of the slide and ride the toboggan down this metal death slide. And his mom's videoing, and I love this so much, because his mom says, if you're going to be stupid, you better be tough. And his response is, I know you told me that lots of days. And so like I feel like every single time my coach says something to me that makes sense, I'm like, you tell me this all the time. I know I'm still going to take my blue toboggan up my death slide and figure out how this works in my own damn choices. And then you and I are going to figure out how to fix the outcome, right?Lesley Logan 36:07  Oh, my god, please send it. We have to link it. And also it's, it's, well, I mean, so as applied instructor, I was teaching someone in my group who's in my mentorship program who's trying to up level her teaching, and I was giving her some breakfast, like, I know, but like, I should be able to do it by now. And I'm like, okay, hold on. Like, I know that you know what the exercise is supposed to look like. I know that you've been doing this for years, and you, your body has been able to cheat its way through this. And I also know that you signed up to no longer do that. The problem is that your body wants to do the easiest thing, because it's just that's it's trained to conserve calories. It's literally trained to conserve calories. So we know that the new way, the better way, the more the stronger way, the more connected way is better. But to rewire our brain to do it that way, to do it that way is going to take more calories. So our body wants to do the easiest way. And I think, like us, you know, use clarity or certainty or have these other the perfectionist person of us is like, okay, I'm not. I'm going to work on being imperfect. And then our brain's like, oh, look at this thing over here. This is a great way to, like, hide out and take notice, because it's harder, it's more calorie-consuming. It's more awareness. It requires more thought to actually not like, to actually live in that imperfect place, and like be willing to make a mistake or be willing to get on the wrong flight, or be it requires more calories. So our brains and bodies are very good at sneaking around and taking shortcuts.Amber Fuhriman 37:41  Yeah, I love it. And one of the things that's coming to my mind right now, and I think I'm going to go do this. I've never done it before, and I think I'm going to, and I would encourage some of your listeners to do it and let me know how it goes. I want to leave my house without a plan one day, and I just want to, like, find out where I end up. And maybe, since we're both in Vegas, we can leave our houses without a plan together and just figure out what choices present themselves to us and where we end up when we don't have a expectation of how our day is going to turn out.Lesley Logan 38:12  Okay, we're, we're setting a date to do this. I have three months in town, so let's set a date where we do this, and then, and then we'll have a date the next day to talk about it.Amber Fuhriman 38:21  To talk about it, right, like, what opportunities do we miss? And I'm not telling people they shouldn't plan like my my schedule is like, completely planned out because it's important to but I also think that every now and then we need days where we just figure out where we would end up if we didn't have expectations about what the day would look like, what would we say yes to, and what opportunities do we miss when we're so focused on something else?Lesley Logan 38:46  Because, I mean, like when we go on vacation, some people can't have a vacation day that's not over planned. My husband, I went on vacation earlier this year after our big tour. Our tour was 8000 miles, like 22 cities, 47 events. Like every day is planned out. Otherwise we don't make it on the tour on time. So we have a vacation that's planned after every tour. And I took him to this hotel I love, and we literally laid by the pool, and I got so I read two books, and I got so bored. I was okay, I'm really bored now. It'd be a good time for us to, like, do something else. And he's like, what do you want to do? I'm like, I don't know. Why don't we just drive into town and see what we see. And like, had the best time wandering around a town, you know. But like, like, we do this when we're on vacations, ideally, you relax and you have but like, we don't ever do it like, on a on a day that normally we planned out or in our own towns. It makes me think of artist dates I'm in. I love it.Amber Fuhriman 39:35  Yeah, let's do it. I also want to share for those of like, because we've talked so much about perfection, I love, and I would encourage, if your listeners are artistic, they can they can do this, or they can go, like, find a picture on the internet. But whenever a friend of mine or a client of mine talks to me about perfection, I'll ask them to introduce me to their unicorn, and they'll be like, what are you talking about? And I said, Well, if we're gonna talk talk about things that don't exist, then we might as well talk about unicorns, right? So, like, just think about, like, we would never say, I can't go do something today because I have to take care of my unicorn. Everybody would be like, that is out, like, that's so dumb. Like, unicorns don't exist. Exactly, exactly, my friend.Lesley Logan 40:20  Okay, I have one more question, because I would love, I mean, I get, I feel like I get this asked all the time, and we brought up success, enough like, how, how do you define success now? Because I'm assuming it's changed since it's no longer get rich to be happy and not feel pain.Amber Fuhriman 40:38  Yes, it has absolutely changed. Yeah, freedom, which I know really isn't a definition. I love when people define words with other non-definable words. So I'll go a little bit deeper on that. For me, I love knowing that if I wanted to pick up and go to Nashville for a month, I can pick up and go to Nashville for a month if I have a friend who needs me, or if my family needs me, I my uncle passed away, or, I'm sorry, my cousin passed away in August, and I was able to just go stay with my aunt for I call him my uncle. This is why it's so hard. They're so much older than me. But either way, I was supposed I was able to go stay with his wife for a little bit and not have to worry about work, because I could travel so location, freedom and independence is so incredibly important to me, and then feeling like I'm in control, you know, not necessarily not having responsibilities. One of my coaches quotes that I steal from her all the time, so I'll give her credit, is choices of powerful things, suffering is always optional. So when I step back and I say, whatever happened today, I was in complete control of my choices in how I spent my day. So if I am not happy with the way my time was spent, then I get to look at my choices to determine how I'm going to avoid repeating that again in the future, where did I spend time that I didn't want to spend time? So time and location freedom is my definition of success right now. Lesley Logan 42:08  I do love that. I do love that. Okay, well, we could obviously talk for hours. We're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Amber Fuhriman 42:15  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 42:16  All right, Amber, where'd you like to hang out? Where are all the places people can hear your amazing words of wisdom more.Amber Fuhriman 42:24  So first of all, the I have a free Facebook group, which we are revitalizing. It's been pretty dormant for a while, and I'm committed to changing that. So if you want to be a part of that revitalization, called the Break Your Bullshit Box Community on Facebook, so you can go check that out there, other than that, socials and the book and all of that stuff is on my website, at successdevelopmentsolutions.com.Lesley Logan 42:49  Amazing, amazing. Okay, you have actually given us so much. There's a few things I'm like, well, that's a Be It Action Item. Well, that's a Be It Action Item. But for the for the bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us? You can take from what we've already gone over, or you can add more. Amber Fuhriman 43:04  Yeah, so I think the first thing that I would say is, if any of your listeners are interested in taking that next step, I do have an online 90-Day Success Jumpstart Training that starts to get you into some really actionable steps. So if they're interested in that, they can go to jumpstart.successdevelopmentsolutions.com. The actionable piece that I really want to leave people with is an understanding that you have complete control, like you make decisions every single day, whether you realize you make decisions and if there is anything that you are not 100% happy with in your life, then we get to dig into what decisions you're making to create that, because avoiding making a decision is still a decision. So what choices are you making? And how can we make different choices? So that's the actionable piece I would leave them with. Lesley Logan 43:54  Love, love, love. Amber, so fun. Okay, we have a date to make about our unplanned day, and then also a date just to be in person. You're wonderful, amazing. You guys, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Share this with that people pleasing friend who doesn't realize that they are. They won't know that we told them to do that until they get to this part. And then, yes, that was for you. And make sure that you share any takeaways with Amber or the Be It Pod. We want to hear from you. We want to hear what your takeaways are. And until next time, you know what to do, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 44:23  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 45:06  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 45:10  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 45:15  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 45:21  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 45:25  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome Natties to episode 110 “Fast Food Horrorthon” Joining us is our guest Lucynthia, come dive in as we talk about a wild Fast Food Marathon challenge, a past challenge Uncle Kyle took on in an early episode, Lucynthia's channel “Music with Lu”, Will Smith chaos, Drake vs Lamar beef, Halloween horror movie top 3, a hilarious Bad Impression and so much more! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for hit subscribe!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!Go check out and subscribe to Music with LuSocialsLucynthia: @lucynthiaentUncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

Benefits for SNAP recipients are set to expire during the second longest government shutdown in US history. The Indian illegal alien truck driver who was charged with killing 3 in a DUI crash in Ontario on Tuesday, has a California CDL. Zohran Mamdani claims his aunt stopped taking the subway after 9/11 because she “did not feel safe in her hijab”. Do you remember when his dad said “America is the root of all evil”? Dana reacts to “The Poltergiest” house in Simi Valley being available on Airbnb. Gavin Newsom went on the “All The Smoke” podcast and debuted a new accent, fabricated a backstory claiming he was so poor while growing up that he had to eat bread and mac and cheese just to pay the bills. Townhall Columnist Michael Hout joins us to break down his piece, “Calling Out the Cancer Within the Right”, including the infighting, Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories, Israel and more. Zohran Mamdani says the quiet part out loud by stating, “It is the government's job to deliver dignity”. Dana rejects the narrative that “conservatism is dead”. Gavin Newsom claims “anti-woke” is racist because it's just “anti-Black”. Dana reacts to a musical called “Slam Frank” centering on Anne Frank seen through the lens of intersectional multi-ethnic genderqueer and Afro-Latin hip-hop.Thank you for supporting our sponsors that make The Dana Show possible…Jones Road Beautyhttps://JonesRoadBeauty.comGet a free, Cool Gloss from Jones Road Beauty with your first purchase using code DANA.Bub's Naturalshttps://BubsNaturals.comGet 20% off your order at Bub's Naturals with code DANA. Support the show and tell them Dana sent you.PreBornhttps://Preborn.com/DANAAnswer the call and help save lives—dial  #250 and say “Baby,” or give securely online. Make your gift today.AmmoSquaredhttps://AmmoSquared.comDon't get caught without ammo, and be sure to tell them you heard about Ammo Squared on this show. Keltec- KS7 Gen2https://KelTecWeapons.comKelTec builds every KS7 GEN2 right here in the USA with American materials and workers—upgrade your home defense today. Keltec- Peacekeepers Programhttps://KelTecWeapons.com/DanaThe KelTec Peacekeepers Program supports those who protect our communities.  Learn more at KelTecWeapons.com/Dana today.All Family Pharmacyhttps://AllFamilyPharmacy.com/Dana Don't wait until flu season knocks at your door. Use code DANA10 at checkout to save 10%. Relief Factorhttps://ReliefFactor.com OR CALL 1-800-4-RELIEFTurn the clock back on pain with Relief Factor. Get their 3-week Relief Factor Quick Start for only $19.95 today! Byrnahttps://Byrna.com/danaGet your hands on the new compact Byrna CL. Visit Byrna.com/Dana to receive 10% off Patriot Mobilehttps://PatriotMobile.com/DanaDana's personal cell phone provider is Patriot Mobile. Get a FREE MONTH of service code DANAHumanNhttps://HumanN.comStart supporting your cardiovascular health with SuperBeets, now available at your local Walmart.

Gavin Newsom went on the “All The Smoke” podcast and debuted a new accent, fabricated a backstory claiming he was so poor while growing up that he had to eat bread and mac and cheese just to pay the bills. Meanwhile, Dana reacts to a musical called “Slam Frank” centering on Anne Frank seen through the lens of intersectional multi-ethnic genderqueer and Afro-Latin hip-hop.Thank you for supporting our sponsors that make The Dana Show possible…Jones Road Beautyhttps://JonesRoadBeauty.comGet a free, Cool Gloss from Jones Road Beauty with your first purchase using code DANA.Bub's Naturalshttps://BubsNaturals.comGet 20% off your order at Bub's Naturals with code DANA. Support the show and tell them Dana sent you.PreBornhttps://Preborn.com/DANAAnswer the call and help save lives—dial  #250 and say “Baby,” or give securely online. Make your gift today.AmmoSquaredhttps://AmmoSquared.comDon't get caught without ammo, and be sure to tell them you heard about Ammo Squared on this show. Keltec- KS7 Gen2https://KelTecWeapons.comKelTec builds every KS7 GEN2 right here in the USA with American materials and workers—upgrade your home defense today. Keltec- Peacekeepers Programhttps://KelTecWeapons.com/DanaThe KelTec Peacekeepers Program supports those who protect our communities.  Learn more at KelTecWeapons.com/Dana today.All Family Pharmacyhttps://AllFamilyPharmacy.com/Dana Don't wait until flu season knocks at your door. Use code DANA10 at checkout to save 10%. Relief Factorhttps://ReliefFactor.com OR CALL 1-800-4-RELIEFTurn the clock back on pain with Relief Factor. Get their 3-week Relief Factor Quick Start for only $19.95 today! Byrnahttps://Byrna.com/danaGet your hands on the new compact Byrna CL. Visit Byrna.com/Dana to receive 10% off Patriot Mobilehttps://PatriotMobile.com/DanaDana's personal cell phone provider is Patriot Mobile. Get a FREE MONTH of service code DANAHumanNhttps://HumanN.comStart supporting your cardiovascular health with SuperBeets, now available at your local Walmart

#899: Join us as we sit down with Carly Kremer – beekeeper, mother, & the founder of Beekeeper's Naturals. What began as Carly's personal quest to heal her body after battling autoimmune issues evolved into a full-blown mission to harness the powerful, science-backed healing potential of the hive. In this episode, Carly dives deep into the world of bees – breaking down the real benefits of propolis, royal jelly, and bee venom, and how these natural ingredients can supercharge your immunity, brain function, and overall wellness. She also reveals the truth behind traditional medicine vs. bee-based healing, shares ethical beekeeping practices, and explains how tapping into the wisdom of the hive can transform your health from the inside out!    To Watch the Show click HERE   To Listen to Episode #347 with Carly Kremer click HERE    For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Carley Kramer click HERE   To connect with Beekeeper's Naturals click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at +1 (512) 537-7194.   To Shop Beekeeper's Naturals visit http://beekeepersnaturals.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY for 20% off your order.    Visit http://c1p.org to donate to the Community First Project, a mission to make communities safer by ensuring the quality & integrity of our nation's law enforcement agencies.   This episode is sponsored by Hiya Health Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to http://hiyahealth.com/SKINNY.    This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp Give online therapy a try at http://betterhelp.com/SKINNY and get on your way to being your best self.   This episode is sponsored by HERS Visit http://forhers.com/skinny to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you.   This episode is sponsored by Wayfair Get organized, refreshed, and ready for the holidays for way less. Head to http://Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home.   This episode is sponsored by The RealReal Get an extra $100 site credit when you sell for the first time on http://TheRealReal.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Superpower Head to http://Superpower.com to learn more and lock in the special $199 price while it lasts.   This episode is sponsored by Little Spoon Get 50% off your first online order at http://littlespoon.com/SKINNY with code SKINNY at checkout. This episode is sponsored by Cozy Earth Head to http://cozyearth.com and use my code SKINNY for up to 20% off sitewide!   Produced by Dear Media

Good morning everyone! It's time for another episode of OTF's Coffee & Football, where we dive deep into the hottest Texas Longhorns football news, recruiting updates, and so much more that you won't want to miss! Our team will cover everything from the win over Kentucky, matchup against Mississippi State, recapping the weekend and more! We want to hear from you, so drop your questions and comments in the chat!Become an OTF OG TODAY for $39.95 (Promo Code OTFOG): http://www.ontexasfootball.comWe would like to thank today's sponsors:BKCW - https://www.bkcw.comVonlane - https://www.vonlane.comKerbey Lane - https://kerbeylanecafe.com/Prize Picks - Download Prize Picks app and use code ONTEXAS - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/ONTEXAS  Bub's Naturals - http://www.bubsnaturals.com (20% OFF at BUBS Naturals by using code ONTEXAS)Duck Camp - http://www.duckcamp.comAG1- Head to http://www.DRINKAG1.com/ONTEXAS to get a FREE Welcome Kit, including a bottle of Vitamin D and free AG1 Travel Packs, when you first subscribe! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Lesley Logan is back home with a heartfelt reminder to celebrate every part of the journey — even the messy middle. She shares a clever modern-day safety hack that helps women feel more secure when ridesharing, celebrates eLevator Christine Ivy's progress in her Pilates studies, and checks off her own bucket list moment in Singapore. Tune in for a joyful reset that proves every season holds a blessing.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The rideshare audio project helping women feel safer on the go.Why celebrating your progress keeps you consistent through the learning process.The excitement of checking off a long-awaited bucket list in Singapore.How noticing small daily wins shifts your focus from stress to gratitude.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsCambodia Retreats Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comJoshua Summerfield Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/p/DGRSnnBTJe6FernGully: The Last Rainforest - https://beitpod.com/aboutferngully If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday.Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:44  All right, Be It babe. I have a fun inspo, a fun affirmation. It's a fun episode. So welcome to the FYFs. It's a Fuck Yeah Friday. It's kind of like, fuck yeah, I did that, right? I did that. So I am, I'm home. Cambodia. This it's happened and Singapore, but obviously I recorded these beforehand. However, I'm really excited about it. I'm really excited. So here we go. This is the inspiration I saw online, and this is just what I want to share with you all, because I like giving information for you that can support you in your life. So there's this guy on Instagram. It says this guy's a modern day hero, helping people to feel safe while using ride hailing apps and taxis. So his handle is _joshuasummerfield, and he to him, he's been he's an actor, I guess, and he usually plays, like, the protector role. And so he basically created these reels where you could download the audio, and he, he basically, like, he's like, okay, download this audio, and then just turn your phone, like, loud. And so it goes, hey baby, what's up, right? And he has this, like, voice of, like, just like, sounds like a big dude. And then you can go, oh yeah, I'm on my way home. And then he has a script, right? So you just have to pause and he'll talk. And that way your ride share person knows that you have some big, scary person waiting for you. So no matter what, whom you love in this world, or whom you're going home to, you might need this audio. And to be honest, as a female who's been in ride sharing apps, I have been of the course, majority of the rides have felt very safe and very fine and honestly unmemorable, which is what you want. But there have the three times that I have been scared. I was, like, actually scared. And while nothing bad happened to me, bad things have happened. And there's tons of statistics that are out there. And yes, there's apps now, and there's ride sharing apps, including in Vegas, where I live, but probably where you live, where there's driverless cars, which is like, yes please. And then there's also, like, where we live, there's like a woman's only chauffeur, like women only driving, and I love that. But just in case you find yourself not able to use those things, I would definitely hit up his account. I would account. I would definitely do on those audios and save them, because it has been really helpful. You know, I've had it like Brad was traveling once, and this guy had picked me up, right? And he was really gruff about it, and just sent my, like, hackles up, and I was, excuse me, I have to just call my husband, let him know I'm coming home. And I just sent him a voice text. I didn't actually, like, because, like, he was in camp. He was not in the country, so he was not gonna answer his phone while he's sleeping, anyways. And I, of course, was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, drop me off over here and drop me off at my neighbor's house. And I, like, walk, like I was walking up towards their house and, like, behind the van, you know, because, like, sometimes, like, what is going on? Like, this person gives me the creeps. So this guy's voice would have really saved things for me. So anyways, go check that out. We have the link in the show notes for you. And Ijust like, when people do cool things to help other people out, he gets paid nothing for that, which is awesome. And I think what a win for that guy. Just to, like, help everyone out they could have wins in their day. Lesley Logan 3:57  Okay, so now a win of yours. Let's see it. We have Christine Ivy. She's an eLevator. She just graduated. I have been reading the Contrology handbook, and it is so good, it is getting me even more excited, as if that was even possible to work with all my new classical equipment that is arriving this week, Contrology Reformer, Armchair, classical springs for my Cadillac and for my upcoming happy hours in my studio, I am absolutely thrilled for what is to come as I become more aware and more aligned with teaching and practicing the method as it was originally designed. So I love this because, like, I think, I don't think we all spend enough time celebrating, like the learning we're doing, the being in the process of learning what we're doing. You know, sometimes we're like, oh, I won't celebrate until I've learned it. You know, until I am done, I can't celebrate it. But she is like, like, celebrating what she is, in fact, studying right now. And it's so, so cool. And so my loves, you are probably in the middle of something. Maybe you can celebrate when you did something like, when you read one chapter, right? Oh, I read that one chapter. Or oh, I'm finally able to pronounce that word in this language I'm learning correctly. You know, those are wins that you're not giving yourself credit for. And I love a gratitude, and we're coming up in gratitude season. But like, my goodness, we can be celebrating like, oh, that happened today. You know that one thing happened today, and take some note for it, because things that stand out are the things that like suck, but if you're focusing on the things that like, whoa, I can't believe like, not only did I get that email off that's been on my heart and I was struggling to write it, but I also got some laundry done. I got two hard things done one day. Win, right? All right. So just trying to give you some ideas on all the things you can celebrate in your life. Lesley Logan 5:32  Okay, my turn to celebrate. So I have another bucket list to check off. So Brad showed me the Botanical Gardens in Singapore years ago. I don't even think we'd actually even been to a Singapore Airport when he showed me this, like, I think he's on a movie or a short or something like that. Just look like this world of craziness. And we just kept saying, someday we'll be able to go to Singapore and do it. And we fly through Singapore a lot, but our layovers are rarely able to to go do anything, and the last couple of times, they were overnight and we could have dinner, but we couldn't do the gardens and dinner and sleep and get to the airport on time and all that stuff. But as I mentioned last time, we had this long layover, and we were able to check off a bucket list and go to the Botanical Gardens. And I have seen them, and I just like, I feel like I'm a constantly a girl, just like seeking out like FernGully. I just want to live in FernGully, you know, but without the hexes. And if you don't know what I just said, then you have not seen one of the greatest cartoon movies ever. And it's Robin Williams playing Baddie, and it is just wonderful. And I might just watch it now that I've, like reminded myself how cool it was. I hope it's as good as a child, but anyways, I really hope it ages well. But I just there's something about being in these gardens and seeing plants from all over that you would never get to see. It just feels like a wonder of this world. And so if you have a bucket list and you haven't like looked at it recently, go ahead and give it a look, right? You might find an opportunity to get to check one of those things off, and it feels really, really cool. Have I seen anything else in Singapore? No, not really, but that, yes, I have. So good, celebrate. Oh, what a win. What a win. Because when you start practicing, seeking out what is possible, it's pretty easy to find out more possibilities on those things. Lesley Logan 7:23  All right, I have a really funny affirmation. So this I came across, and I'm pretty sure the person thought that they were like nagging this part, like this thing about LA., but I actually thought of it as a great affirmation. So what the post says is, nothing will prepare you for L.A., small talk. I asked someone today what they do, and they said, I'm in between blessings right now. And so I feel like this person is, like, trying to get like, a shock out of people, because, like, L.A., people do say some interesting things, like, I'm in between blessings right now. But what an awesome affirmation or mantra if you are in that space, like, if you are going through something, you're feeling really stuck, this is for you. So I think we should just co-opt this, because it's great. And there's some weird things. L.A. people say, as someone who's been in L.A., I will happily, yes, there are, but I'll die on that hill that, like some of them, aren't actually wonderful, positive ways of thinking about your life. So, ready? I'm in between blessings right now. Doesn't that sound good? I'm in between blessings right now. Oh yeah, I'm in between blessings right now. Lesley Logan 8:28  All right, loves, you go have a great weekend. All right? You guys, have a great weekend. I hope that you are on the waitlist for the upcoming Cambodia retreat next year. We will open up the doors in January. You got to be on the waitlist for that crowsnestretreats.com. And you know, if you got wins, we want to hear them. Send them into beitpod.com/questions you can also send your questions there. But I want your wins. Maybe you are in between blessings and you want to celebrate that. We would love to hear it. All right, have an amazing day. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:55  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 9:38  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 9:43  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 9:48  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 9:55  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 9:58  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Good morning everyone! It's time for another episode of OTF's Coffee & Football, where we dive deep into the hottest Texas Longhorns football news, recruiting updates, and so much more that you won't want to miss! Our team will cover everything from the win over Kentucky, matchup against Mississippi State, recapping the weekend and more! We want to hear from you, so drop your questions and comments in the chat!Become an OTF OG TODAY for $39.95 (Promo Code OTFOG): http://www.ontexasfootball.comWe would like to thank today's sponsors:Vonlane - https://www.vonlane.comKerbey Lane - https://kerbeylanecafe.com/Prize Picks - Download Prize Picks app and use code ONTEXAS - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/ONTEXAS  Bub's Naturals - http://www.bubsnaturals.com (20% OFF at BUBS Naturals by using code ONTEXAS)Duck Camp - http://www.duckcamp.comAG1- Head to http://www.DRINKAG1.com/ONTEXAS to get a FREE Welcome Kit, including a bottle of Vitamin D and free AG1 Travel Packs, when you first subscribe! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this recap, Lesley and Brad revisit their inspiring interview with Jill Allen, founder of Jill Allen & Associates and host of Hey Docs. They reflect on the lessons of grit, confidence, and letting go of the “do-it-all” mindset that keeps entrepreneurs stuck. Together, they share why delegation, structure, and brave decision-making matter more than perfection—and how asking “What's the worst that can happen?” can unlock fearless growth in both your business and in your life.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Ankle and wrist weights in Pilates and when, if ever, to use them.How self-confidence builds credibility and trust with clients and teams.Why grit and resilience often outperform talent and quick success.How the “Superwoman Syndrome” creates burnout and stagnation.How time-blocking and brave choices create momentum toward success.Episode References/Links:Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/retreatsWinter Tour - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsPractice Results Website - https://www.practiceresults.comHey Docs Podcast - https://www.practiceresults.com/hey-docsGrit It Done by Reid Tileston - https://a.co/d/2rKh0ZcBrave, Not Perfect by Reshma Saujani - https://a.co/d/2jjcF9u If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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And I think that it's, it definitely makes you go like, you have to get the, get it done. But what if you don't? I've been in that position where I've actually missed deadlines. I have failed because I waited until I needed that feeling of pressure, you know. So there's just so much that goes along with this Superman, Superwoman syndrome when we're trying to do it all.Lesley Logan 0:30  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:09  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the demystifying convo I have with Jill Allen in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now and go back and listen to that one or you can listen this one and then see if you align with what we liked in that one. Maybe you like something different. Brad Crowell 1:32  Maybe. Lesley Logan 1:33  So today is October 23rd, 2025 and there was no good days. So yesterday, the 22nd was National Make A Dog's Day. And I'm going, I don't want to forget this, so pause. You guys, on the day that we're recording this is a month from when this is releasing, and so a month ago from when you're listening to this, and two days, was like National like Amazing Wife's Day and my husband did not know, and he didn't announce anything. No public displays of affection on Instagram, nothing. I'm just saying, it was a very important holiday, and it will never land on a Thursday, because it's always on the third Sunday of every month. Brad Crowell 2:12  What date was that? Lesley Logan 2:14  It was September 21st and if you look at 10 days, and the reason I know is because my and Rick. Rick posted about my and he said it was National Amazing Wife's day on the third Sunday of every month. He actually must have also gotten his day from the same exact same website. So anyways, back. Brad Crowell 2:33  That's pretty badass, Rick. Lesley Logan 2:35  Back, no, I don't think he listens. But anyway, he doesn't.Brad Crowell 2:38  You're showing me up. You're making me look bad over here. Lesley Logan 2:38  But just like that, we took him right back down, because he does not even listen to this. Anyways, I'm just telling you that we don't do this on the Sundays, and you're missing out on good holidays that could involve celebrating me, but today, but today, we are celebrating National Make a Dog's Day. And so October 22nd, yesterday, National Make a Dog's Day is how we use this day to ensure that the dogs around us enjoy themselves as best as possible. Oh, my Lord, this is a day to spread information about dogs importance in our lives and how much they can improve our days with love and loyalty. Brad Crowell 3:18  In case you didn't already. Lesley Logan 3:20  Is there any scientific, is there any scientific evidence of this, other than, like, it makes us feel good? Like, is there, I only know anecdotal. Like, yes, my dog is better because of my life is better because of my dog. But like, is there any science behind this? Did the day give us anything? No, so we're just, we're just gonna say it. We also use this day to encourage people to adopt from shelters and provide a better life for at least one puppy. May I suggest an older dog. Go to your local SPCA. We donate to the Nevada one, and we got to tour the facility. And it is amazing. OPC donates to them and the time of this release, Cody and Onyx better be adopted you guys, because it's, I'm really fucking struggling, like I just want, Brad, I think, wanted to invite Onyx in because she's 11 and she's like a little black version of Gaia. I'm not even kidding. Same underbite, same, same everything, very agile. Actually, Gaia was not that agile at 11. We'll say that. And I want Cody, and Cody is way too big, and we don't have time for that energy right now. But go to your local SPCA and go meet the dogs, go play with the dogs, become a volunteer and walk the dogs. You can even read to the dogs, right? Because clearly that is going to make your life better. And you can also foster, if you know, like, I'm only in town for a couple weeks at a time, you can become a foster, and you won't even fail, because you are like, oh no, I'm gonna be a professional foster. I'm only gonna take a dog for as long as I'm in town, or things like and they they supply the food and the medical, and you're just the house, you just get the love of the dog, and it's quite great. So we mean the world for a dog, and it's time we insure they get everything they deserve. I'm gonna say our dogs are so spoiled that this kind of holiday feels like a dog made it up. But, at any rate, we, our lives are better because they're in it. It's for sure.Brad Crowell 5:09  There's no question about that. Well, hey, I'm really excited to be home. We just got back from Cambodia and Singapore. Lesley Logan 5:15  We just got back and we're hugging our dog and making his life better. Brad Crowell 5:20  We're hugging our dog. Lesley Logan 5:21  How nice of us to come home just in time for this holiday. Brad Crowell 5:24  How nice of, yeah, you better feel special Bayon. We came home just for you. Yeah, he abandoned us. So it was, you know, look, Cambodia is magical. What an amazing experience. And you're missing out if you haven't joined us yet. So you should go get on the wait list for next year. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com. We will be making the announcement pretty soon about next year's trip, but I'm going to tell you secret listener, insider info, it's in October of next year, and it's going to be.Lesley Logan 5:56  The dates are on the site. Brad Crowell 5:56  The 18th to the 23rd. Lesley Logan 5:56  Yeah and January is when we will announce the. Brad Crowell 5:56  I don't think the dates are on the site yet, so we're just telling you right now. Yeah. Lesley Logan 5:56  Okay, So you get the insider (inaudible). Brad Crowell 5:56  You get the insider info. Lesley Logan 5:59  If you are on the waitlist already, you got that information, and in January, only the waitlist people get the discount. So just saying, save some money, get on the waitlist and snag your spot. We already have released the Winter Tour event. We actually have, the time we're recording this, have not seen the whole schedule, but I have seen several cities, and I have approved several workshops. So I think with confidence I can say Lexington, Kentucky. I think with confidence I can say DC. Brad Crowell 6:38  Yeah. Lesley Logan 6:39  I think with confidence, I can say, Tampa.Brad Crowell 6:46  Here, let's just do this because this is a. Lesley Logan 6:48  This feels like a guessing game. You're not even helping me out.Brad Crowell 6:51  Well, because. Lesley Logan 6:52  What? What? With confidence, what can you say? Pensacola. Brad Crowell 6:56  All right, so Colorado Springs. Lesley Logan 6:57  Oh gay. Brad Crowell 6:58  Fayetteville, Arkansas. Lesley Logan 6:59  Oh so fun. Brad Crowell 7:00  Louisville. Lesley Logan 7:02  Oh, that's different than Lexington. Brad Crowell 7:03  Oh, sorry, I said it wrong. St Louis, I'm reading two things here, then Lexington, then Columbus, Ohio. Lesley Logan 7:11  Oh, oh, we're going back?Brad Crowell 7:15  We've never been to Columbus (inaudible). Lesley Logan 7:19  Oh, sorry, sorry. That was such a bad move that was like a California move, like, I've been there.Brad Crowell 7:27  That one's not locked in yet, Columbus, but we're close. We're going to be in Fort Wayne for a day off. Then we're going all up to Detroit. Lesley Logan 7:34  Whoa. Brad Crowell 7:35  Yeah, we're going to hit it this time. Finally, then it looks like we're swinging around. We are doing our best to line up a spot in Pittsburgh and possibly Rochester. So unfortunately. Lesley Logan 7:45  Sounds like these are these are not real. Brad Crowell 7:47  Canada is out. Canada is out. Lesley Logan 7:49  You guys, I'm hearing this for the first time. Brad Crowell 7:51  It's true. Lesley Logan 7:52  Don't, this is the thing, you can't get mad at, at us, and you can't get mad I don't think it's the Canadian government this time. I think this is a host issue. Brad Crowell 7:59  This is a host issue. We've been having trouble connecting with studios. It's insane. Like in Toronto and Ottawa, just like, nothing. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 8:07  And we know you want us to come and they're just not (inaudible). Brad Crowell 8:10  Like, really, can't understand that. But yeah, I mean, at this point we're having, we're gonna have to look at the following year, because this stuff has already been negotiated. Saratoga Springs a private event. Boston, Mass is public. Cape Cod Mashpee, Providence is a private event. New Haven, Connecticut is day off. Torrington, we're going to teach in Torrington, I think, which is Connecticut. Hershey, PA, then we got. Lesley Logan 8:35  I feel like we're not giving them insider on anything, because they're like, I could just go to the website and they can they're hearing days off. They're hearing this might be.Brad Crowell 8:42  Well, this is like, you started this. Lesley Logan 8:45  I know, but it was more fun the way I was doing it. It's like a guessing game. Brad Crowell 8:52  We're gonna be in Rehoboth Beach. Lesley Logan 8:56  Where the fuck is that? Brad Crowell 8:56  Yeah, we're gonna that's Delaware. Lesley Logan 8:56  Okay, Delaware. (inaudible)Brad Crowell 8:55  We're gonna be in D.C. Lesley Logan 8:56  It's just a small state if you say Delaware, Virginia. We're coming back. We love beach. Brad Crowell 8:56  We're gonna be in we're working on Charlotte right now, but not sure yet. We're still working that out. Lesley Logan 9:04  That was definitely been a problem. Brad Crowell 9:04  Savannah, Georgia. Then, Fort Lauderdale.Lesley Logan 9:06  Wow, we found something in Savannah. No way. Brad Crowell 9:09  I'm pretty sure. Lesley Logan 9:09  No, it didn't happen, like, the last two trips. Are you sure that's not like a day off, or we're just spending the night? Brad Crowell 9:14  Could be a day off. Then we're gonna go down to Fort Lauderdale. We are teaching. Tampa, we are teaching.Lesley Logan 9:14  You know what you can do everyone, go to opc.me/events and you can see which of these are days off and which of these are real stops.Brad Crowell 9:27  I'm just gonna read through the rest of this, Pensacola, New Orleans, Houston and Austin. Houston, we're still working on. And then Phoenix. We're probably most likely teaching Phoenix. Either Phoenix or Tucson. We're still figuring that out. But that's that's the path. Lesley Logan 9:40  We had some people in Tucson who wanted us to come so (inaudible). Well, there it is, folks, opc.me/events to get the actual lineup with the for sure, settle dates and snag what spots remain.Brad Crowell 9:52  We are recording this a month ahead of time. So by the time you're hearing this and seeing that, it will be a lot more clear. Lesley Logan 9:56  Now you can see it's really a lot of work. And it's really hard, because we got a ton of people when we were going to Canada the first time in the Toronto area, want us to come, but none of them have studios, and we can't, we, we specifically, because we're crossing the border, we actually have to be invited. Like, we can't just, like, wing it. And then when the tour ends, we come home, kick off, eLevate Six and then we head to Huntington Beach for the Pilates Journal Expo. Go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. I've decided that's how I'm saying it xxll.co/pilatesjournal, and you're going to be able to get your tickets. There's a, it's a huge lineup. A lot of my friends are doing it. It was kind of fun. Like I knew I was doing it, but they didn't tell me who else is doing it. Like one of the girls that I train to be a teacher is doing it. So, like, so cool. So, so, so cool. And I did that so long ago. That's how long she's been a teacher. Because, like, that was a long time. It was almost 10 years ago. February, Agency Mini is happening. You want to get on the waitlist at prfit.biz/mini P-R-F-I-T that's profit without the O, dot biz slash mini, and that is for Pilates instructors and studio owners who would like to ditch all the chaos, the noise, the overwhelm, and get their business to work for them.Brad Crowell 10:07  A lot of people, a lot of people have been asking us, when are we doing it again y'all, so we're giving you a lot of a heads up here to get ready, get prepared. Go to prfit.biz/mini to get yourself on the waitlist so you can catch that early bird when we when we roll that out. In March, we are going to go to Europe, and we're really fired up about it. We're going to be in Poland, and then in Brussels. So go to xxll.co/poland xxll.co/brussels for those two events, and then in April.Lesley Logan 11:41  P.O.T. London, time of this recording, we don't have a link for you to go to. I'm sure it's already been announced. And I'm sure there's an early bird that you don't want to miss. And I am, for sure, doing the Joe's Gyms, and I still haven't signed the contract, so. Brad Crowell 11:42  It's a party. Lesley Logan 11:52  I am, I am pretty sure I am teaching two amazing workshops, which is super cool. They are not any workshops that I've ever taught in England before. So if you just came to the Mullet Tour, or you've been to a Mullet Tour, neither of these workshops have ever seen the light of day in that country. So you want to go. Okay, before we get into the lovely Jill Allen, we have a question to respond to.Brad Crowell 12:23  We totally do. The, let's see. Hold on. Mary star Pilates. Mary star Pilates. I'm on the wrong one. We're just gonna leave that in. We're leaving that in. Don't worry about it. DeniseStargazer said, hey, I would love your opinion about ankle and wrist weights while doing Pilates. How heavy, how often, is there a leg or ankle preference or brand?Lesley Logan 12:52  Well, I do love that both two questions in a row will have the name star in them, which is quite cool, but okay, so how do I answer this? Joe Pilates did mess around with some foot weights. They were the shape of a shoe, and my friend Joel Crosby made me a pair, and I think I still have them and. Brad Crowell 13:12  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 13:12  They are really hard for me to do Pilates with. Brad Crowell 13:16  Oh yeah, they're hard. Lesley Logan 13:17  In fact, I think that they're.Brad Crowell 13:20  They're literally like a weighted sole that you strap onto the bottom of your feet.Lesley Logan 13:24  And I, and I'm going to preface this with both Brad and I are hyper mobile bodies. And so because of that, and I have the longest legs already, so because of that, I actually think that just a general statement of ankle or leg weights in Pilates is probably not necessary. I do see. Brad Crowell 13:49  The longest limbs. Lesley Logan 13:51  I do see how these things that Joe was creating, that Joel created, could be useful to someone who's not hyper mobile, someone who's already very strong in the practice. And also, if someone has a foot boot on, like a foot boot, that's a redundancy. A boot on like they have a foot injury, I think a weighted ankle weight on the other leg would be helpful, because then you have, like an evenness to what's happening distally on the leg. But in general, I think these things are a fitness fad that looks freaking cute on the skinny girlies, and they match their outfits, and it's just esthetically pleasing. But I think it is a waste of time. I think it's so easy for your joints to do the moves, whether you're doing Pilates or not. I think it's so easy for the joints to do the moves. I think it is asking a lot of the connections your body needs to have. So if you are a super strong, connected, non hypermobile person, and you don't feel your hip flexors take over, your back takeover, have the most fun. Bala makes super cute ones, by the way. I mean, if you're going to put these ankle weights on and look like a Jane Fonda, it should at least be cute. But I do think that the average person just needs to get started. And I feel like this is just another thing someone have to buy and invest in, get out, dust off, to get their movement practice in. So I'm a not fan of them, and I don't use them.Brad Crowell 15:11  Well, that's fair. Yeah. I mean, I think also too, just the just from cursory listening to y'all teaching and doing all that stuff. Most people are picking up two to five pound weights. And I know you every time you're like, just use ones.Lesley Logan 15:28  In Pilates, you're using one, and in the gym, you're going to pick up heavy weights, okay? And if you want to use ankle weights at the gym, that is not my my fortress. I go there and I work out. My trainer gives me things. If she told me I needed ankle weights, because she's so smart, I would listen to her. But in Pilates, like, if you have a super if you have a Michael Phelps torso and short legs, maybe ankle weights would help balance your torso to your leg situation, some exercises. But I really think before you add tools to things you might need to he was like a dolphin. Brad's looking at how long his spine was. He was like a dolphin. He had a ridiculously long spine. But, like, I just think that, like, it's just one more thing that we're. Brad Crowell 16:13  It still is. He's alive, right? Lesley Logan 16:14  Well, yeah, he's alive. Brad Crowell 16:14  Still is like a dolphin. Lesley Logan 16:12  He still is like a dolphin. So I just think that, like, you know, the other thing I'll say about this is ankle weights are like a prop. And Joe never used a prop throughout every single exercise. He used props as tools to teach a connection you needed, and got rid of them. So if you are a teacher who's like, oh my god, Lesley, I use the the ankle weights for this one exercise to help people. Great. Don't at me. I'm good. I celebrate you. I think it's wonderful. But I just think that, like, how often, how long? Like, it's just another thing out there that I don't think is as needed. I think, I think we can get so much out of Pilates without having to make it harder to do. That's my personal opinion. And I love this question so much. I want more questions like these. Send them to the beitpod.com/questions or what's the phone number, because it's not what I want. Brad Crowell 17:00  310-905-5534Lesley Logan 17:01  I mean, at least it's 310. Brad Crowell 17:05  Yeah, sure. Lesley Logan 17:06  Good area code. Brad Crowell 17:07  We'll take it. 310-905-5534 or go to beitpod.com/questions and send us your wins or your questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this really heartfelt convo with Jill Allen and she, she coaches orthodontics offices.Lesley Logan 17:25  Are you not gonna take a break at all? Brad Crowell 17:26  Wait for it, she coaches orthodontics offices. And the thing that's crazy is that the conversation is applicable to people of all walks of life.Lesley Logan 17:36  It really is. We didn't even talk about orthodontists. Brad Crowell 17:39  Yeah, stick around. We'll be right back.Brad Crowell 17:41  Welcome back. Let's talk about Jill Allen. Jill is the founder of Jill Allen and Associates. Lesley Logan 17:47  Doesn't that look like she should be also a lawyer? Brad Crowell 17:50  Oh, a lawyer or like. Lesley Logan 17:51  Should be like a legal office. Brad Crowell 17:52  Luxary handbags. Lesley Logan 17:54  Oh, Jill Allen, I see that.Brad Crowell 17:56  Yeah. She's an orthodontic consulting firm. She's over 30 years of experience in the industry, and specializes in helping doctors launch their own, their own, their own orthodontic practices, focusing exclusively on startups and supporting new owners who often lack formal business training. That sounds so familiar. She is also the host of Hey Docs, a podcast where she shares business fundamentals, and interviews experts to provide valuable insight for all entrepreneurs. Dr. Allen finds her greatest inspiration in seeing her clients grow their practices into thriving, multimillion dollar businesses, which is pretty epic. I love that, and I felt like I commiserated with her a lot, because we, obviously, service, you know, we serve the Pilates industry. And so it's really interesting to hear her talk about, when she started her consulting firm 19 years ago, there was no like people were not using the internet for this kind of stuff. Barely using the internet. Social media was barely starting, right?Lesley Logan 19:02  I know because I hadn't. I mean, I had an orthodontist when I was in June, like, sixth grade. And like, I mean, my parents had to, like, just find one in the yellow pages.Brad Crowell 19:11  Yeah, probably the yellow pages, or referral word of mouth, most likely. Lesley Logan 19:16  Like, maybe, and I, because I doubt our I don't, our insurance paid for Orthodontic work. You know what I mean? I, for sure, didn't, because my siblings didn't get the same situation as I did. So yeah, so which is something everyone likes to bring up, but, I mean, 19 years, even the coaching, but she coaches them has changed, because now.Brad Crowell 19:32  Oh yeah, everything has changed, but it's fascinating, because when we, you know, like there wasn't anybody doing what she was doing when she got started, and we felt the same way with Agency, there wasn't anybody coaching, you know, Pilates business owners. Lesley Logan 19:46  Yeah I felt a lot of same synergy. But I also want to say, like, everything I want to say to you applies to anybody who's got a dream or a goal or a business. She said, confidently stand in the space like you got to be confident in the space that you're in. You know, people, and this is so true, people are not going to walk around and believe in you more than you believe. I mean, I believe in our members. I think sometimes when they believe in them. But the reality is, is that like, like, random, random people an be like, oh my god, you're the like, you have to believe in you, like, people want to, especially when you are in a service-based business, orthodontics, Pilates, anything, people want the confident person they don't want the person like, I think I know what I'm doing. Like, we, just before we hit record, our car's in the shop, and we have a new mechanic because we have a new car, and you know, you're like, God how much they're gonna rip me off for. It's kind of like taking your dog to the vet. It's like, what's the bill gonna be? And you just, like, spin the wheel. And this guy is like, okay, here's a video of, here's where we saw this. We saw this. We're just gonna watch this. He was so he stood in his confidence. He could be bullshitting me. I don't know what I'm looking at, but like, he was so confident. I was like, I told Brad, I was like, I love these guys. These are our mechanics. We're not switching, like, just that, just that confidence in there. And so I just highly recommend that for anyone who is on a mission. She also stated that being a business owner requires grit and hard work. And there's an incredible, I can't think of her name, it's on the tip of my tongue, but there's an incredible TEDx talk on grit. And the truth is, is that the reason why most businesses, the businesses that become like successful, they found it's not like they hit lightning in the bottle. It's most of the time that people just had grit. They just kept going. They just kept going. And then she also said there is this pressure on business owners to hit these big financial goals, and then that leads to imposter syndrome. And we've had Brad Bizjack on a couple weeks ago, and he talks about how, like, he misses all of his goals, but he's the most confident person you've ever met because, like, how he talks to himself, how he pumps himself up, and how he has confidence, not in that he achieved a goal, but in a work that they he did. And so she says, like, you have to keep pumping yourself up, even if you don't believe it 100% yet, because that is going to help you with the confidence and showing up and doing the hard work. And we got to take pressure of ourselves to hit the goals yesterday or this, I mean, like, people are like, okay, I'm charging my rates, but I still don't have enough clients. It's like, right, one step at a time. Like, you know, I don't know. I just loved it. What did you think? What did you love?Brad Crowell 22:22  Yeah, the the okay, so actually, I was just going to bring up, I'm trying to remember if we had him on the pod, Reid Tileston. Do you remember Reid? Super, super tall professor who owned, like many, many gyms, gyms over the years. Lesley Logan 22:40  Oh, we never had Reid on. Brad Crowell 22:41  Okay, well, he wrote a book, and it's called Grit It Done, and it's, it's like, low risk entrepreneurial tips and stuff. So anyway, I know that's not, that's more for people who are starting a business, but you know, when you started talking about grit, it started making me think about Reid and. Lesley Logan 22:55  Hi, Reid. Brad Crowell 22:56  Yeah. Hi, Reid. But I really loved when y'all know exactly what I'm going to talk about here, because I keep coming back to this across different interviews, where we have the the idea of the Superman or the Superwoman syndrome. It's the solopreneur complex is another way to put it, right, where I have to be the one doing it. I'm the, you know, I'm I can do it better than everybody else. I don't have the money to do, to outsource, or any of that kind of thing. And she talked about, she specifically honed in on the the idea that it makes us feel like we're getting we are actually working. It validates our own internal feelings, right? I need to be doing it all. And she said, it's an internal conflict, and it also creates overwhelm, right? So it's this both thing, where, like that feeds our ego, but it also creates overwhelm, and it kind of gives us the idea that we are working so hard, right, that we're getting something, we're moving the ball forward somehow. Lesley Logan 24:00  But we're just treading water. Brad Crowell 24:01  But a lot of the time we're treading water. Lesley Logan 24:04  Which is really hard to do. Have you just tried treading water recently? Like. Brad Crowell 24:04  Oh, recently, no, but I used to have to do that. Lesley Logan 24:08  We had to do it in swimming lessons. Brad Crowell 24:12  Yeah, for like, 15 minutes, yeah. That was a long freaking time. Lesley Logan 24:16  Especially for you. Brad Crowell 24:18  No, to be a lifeguard or something. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 24:20  No, not like you don't have the strength or endurance. I mean, your attention span, like you couldn't do anything else, your usual. You couldn't, like, tap something or click something, or like you just had to do one thing. I just can't, it will the longest 15 minutes for you.Brad Crowell 24:38  Well, you know this idea of the Superman, Superwoman syndrome really creates, like, debilitating pressure on on you because when it's not getting done, when something isn't getting done, whose fault is it? It's always our fault. Why? Because we're in the middle of every single project, every single possible thing. And you know, it really it creates, sometimes we, like, I think something that I've told myself over the years is that I work better under pressure, or I work better under a deadline, right? And I think that it's it definitely makes you go, like, you have to get the, get it done. But what if you don't? I've been in that position where I've actually missed deadlines, have failed because I waited until I needed that feeling of pressure, you know. So there's just so much that goes along with with this Superman, Superwoman syndrome when we're trying to do it all. And she also talked about like, it, you know, the irony here is that that overwhelm of like, what if you don't actually know what you're doing? What if you don't get it done? Or, you know, the you can be overwhelmed by this realization that I don't know how to do it all, while thinking I have to do it all or I'm the only one that could do this.Lesley Logan 25:53  That sounds like a terrible torture room to be in your mind.Brad Crowell 25:58  She said, she said, how do you overcome this? Right? And ultimately, it comes down to trust, trusting others to be able to execute or implement in a way that you would be doing it or as close to you as possible, right? And she, she said, take it like eating a cookie, just one little bite at a time, and keep moving forward, but, but then be sure to look back and high five yourself. So in this case, what she's talking about is, as you're delegating, you know, go back and look at little pieces of it and make sure that it's up to the standard that you need. And then you get the high five them, high five yourself. I mean, if you're not running a business here, if this isn't like you're not trying to do that. What if it was walking the dog and you delegated it to a child of yours? Or what if it was cleaning the house? Chores.Lesley Logan 26:48  We used to have those neighbors, the Brazilians, who, like, legitimately, the child was, like, eight years old, and the other one might have been like, I don't know, six, and they walked that dog, and the dog is, like, way bigger than them. And we were like, oh my god, should they be doing this? But they did it every day. I watched them do it every day, you know. And so, like, I thought that was, what a great responsibility, it's an easy block, like, it was not on a dangerous road. They're not crossing any streets, you know.Brad Crowell 27:13  But you know, or, or it is, you know, it can be.Lesley Logan 27:18  I think also you may have said this, but, like, you also don't have to do some things, like, they just don't get done. Like, you can just park okay, you know what's gonna happen. We're going to do laundries on Sunday, and that means everyone has to have enough underwear to get to Sunday. That's how it's got to go. That's when laundry is going to get done. Like, I understand there's a story that a lot of people tell themselves it has to be clean for me to get my work done, bullshit. It does not have to be clean. You have to be able to sit at your desk. And there might be some, like, some interesting things about yourself that you might need things to be clean, but it's often an excuse to not do the thing, because you have another reason to not do the thing. And I would just challenge yourself to, like, figure out, like, like, so, like, there's a whole idea, like, so what, so, and then what, and then and like, follow the path and like, the reality is, a lot of the things that we busy ourselves doing do not lead to the actual goal that we have. And that's what I have to say about that.Brad Crowell 28:16  Yeah, I love it. Well, you know, I think, I think that we're setting ourselves up for failure when we attempt to do everything all by ourselves, and and you know, there are times in our world, in our life, whether that's just due to relationships or finances or whatever, where you know, we are kicking off a project and we are the one ideating and creating, but when it comes to executing and being creative, it's really hard to wear those two hats at the same time, and it really does help you to train someone properly, to help you get all the work doneLesley Logan 28:57  Well and the other thing I just want to say is or hire a coach to help advise you on what's the most like the thing that's priority right now? Brad Crowell 29:04  Yeah, sure. Lesley Logan 29:04  Because if you're trying, if you're actually not sure what you're supposed to be focusing on, you could hire help and then be focused on the wrong thing. And so Jill is a perfect example that there is a coach out there for every fucking niche. So if you are not a Pilates instructor and you're not an orthodontist, I promise you there is a coach out there for you. There is someone who coaches lawyers. There's someone who coaches social workers, or someone who coaches, you know, like. Brad Crowell 29:26  Pilates instructors. Lesley Logan 29:26  Well, yeah, I just said, I said, I said, if you're not one of those already, if you, there's someone who coaches yoga instructors, or someone who coaches, you know, managers of franchises. Like, there are people out there who coach all these things, and this is a matter of finding the one that resonates with you, that gets you. So don't just fall for a really good, you know, funnel. Talk with them. Ask them, like, what you're nervous about, share like, here's my biggest fear. I'm gonna sign up with you, and this is what's gonna happen. And like, you know, make sure that they have a money back guarantee, and then do the work. You know, but there's people out there who will help you. Brad Crowell 30:03  Yeah, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into a couple of those Be It Action Items that we got from Jill right after this. Brad Crowell 30:05  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jill Allen? She said, hey, you gotta block time schedule, yo. She strongly advocates for block time scheduling for any business owner, even for those who dislike rigidity, which would be me. Lesley Logan 30:30  Except for, we just looked up things that help ADHD CEOs, and one of them is a fucking block schedule.Brad Crowell 30:36  Yeah. Well, you know, because it's like a it's like a sandbox that you get to do whatever you want with within that time. So yeah, she explained that without a plan, a business owner can find 100 things to do with their day, which is the story of my life.Lesley Logan 30:52  I just watched you start to put together the towel thing during a work day. And I was like, that has nothing to do with the work today.Brad Crowell 31:02  I was just listening to things, and I had but then I got this. I got ADD because I, my drill stopped and I couldn't use it. Good times. So there's that. She said, explained, without a plan, business owners can find 100 things to do with the day. And by creating start and stop times, just for tasks, this prevents you from getting sidetracked, which helps manage an otherwise unstructured day. So we definitely.Lesley Logan 31:27  We love a kitchen timer. Brad Crowell 31:28  We love a kitchen timer. Lesley Logan 31:29  Like our time cubes are really great. I was just telling Agency members at some office hours we did the other day. I said, literally, I have to, especially when overwhelmed and I am in the reentry, because I'm always over when we get back to work, even though I am like, we did all the work I needed to do so I could start, you know, fresh. I still have to start. I'm not ahead. And I go, Oh God, I have to touch this inbox. And I set the timer for 15 minutes, and I scan for the most important emails, the timer goes off. Okay, 15 minutes in this Slack. Okay, 15, like, before you know it, you're caught up on things, the overwhelm starts to dissipate, because you actually have seen that. There's not really any fires that are going on and the stories in your head are not true, but time blocks. It's so because I won't work on other things because I'm on the timer of the first thing. Brad Crowell 31:29  Yep. Well, what about you? What was your biggest takeaway? Lesley Logan 32:01  She said before making a decision or starting a new venture ask yourself, what's the worst thing that's gonna happen? Brad Crowell 32:01  I really, I really appreciated this. Lesley Logan 32:01  I love this, because if you can, if you determine you can handle the worst case outcome, you'd move forward with it. I mean, I forget.Brad Crowell 32:01  I mean, she, she specifically said when, like, because she was working in the orthodontics industry, but wanted to start coaching new orthodontic business owners. She said, what's the worst that could happen is we could get no clients, and then I go bankrupt, and that will affect my credit score, and then, you know, what am I going to do? Right? She's like, but there is a path after that. She's like, so once I embraced that, then it wasn't as scary as this amorphous black hole of like, what if things just don't go right? Lesley Logan 33:01  Well, we have this, we have this idea we're talking about and and not that we have any time for it, but we were talking about doing this thing, and I kept just thinking, like, oh my god, there's so much uncertainty right now. It's gonna cost us so much money. I'm not gonna find this thing that I want, and if it doesn't work out, then we're like, fucked right? Like, it could actually cost us things. And then we came with this idea. We're like, oh, we could just build it in the backyard. And it's like, because the worst case is the idea sucks, it doesn't work, and we have a beautiful ADU in the backyard. And so I want to move forward with that. Brad Crowell 33:34  Yeah, I'm excited about it. Lesley Logan 33:38  All right, the other thing she said I want to bring up before we move on is, be brave, not perfect. And she was referencing a book. And I am sorry, guys, I am forgetting the name of that book but, be brave. Brad Crowell 33:46  I think the book is called Be Brave, Not Perfect. Lesley Logan 33:47  Brave not perfect. Brad Crowell 33:48  That's by Reshma Saujani.Lesley Logan 33:52  Oh, is it Reshma? Brad Crowell 33:53  Reshma Saujani.  Lesley Logan 33:55  But Reshma, the Reshma? Hold on. Brad Crowell 33:58  I don't know who the Reshma is, so. Lesley Logan 34:00  If it's the Reshma, she has the best, the best college graduating speech. If it's her.Brad Crowell 34:07  She's a lawyer, politician, civil servant, founder of the nonprofit Girls Who Code.Lesley Logan 34:10  This woman is absolutely incredible. She's the one who, like, talked about bike face. If you haven't, like, look her up, Google bike face college speech. And it's this whole thing that back when, like, bikes were invented, when bicycles were not just invented, but like more popular poor people can have them, they started telling women they were gonna have, they had bike face, because now women could just get around on their own. I kid you not. The number of times that women finally get like, a fucking inch of independence, and they're like, oh, let's just like, fuck this up. So what happened is, women couldn't ride the bicycles in their in their dresses, so they started wearing trousers. And people didn't like they're wearing trousers, that's a problem. And they also could get around without a male and they could be independent and they could, I don't know, have a fucking dream and life of their own. Anyways, they would tell them and be careful you're gonna have bike face. You won't be attractive, and then no one will marry you. Anyways, that is not it, but that is who Reshma is, and I am obsessed with her. So Brave, Not Perfect. Well, we should all read that book. We should have maybe next year, I should have a book club, a Be It Pod Book Club. I don't know that I can get the authors every time, but maybe I could figure that out.Brad Crowell 35:28  If you like that idea, let us know by texting 310-905-5534, what do you think about a Be It Pod Book Club, the Be It Pod squad. Lesley Logan 35:38  Yeah. Oh, that's what I want to call you guys instead. I call you Be It babes. And I kind of want to call you the Be It Pod squad. I just, I also need to know, like, does that sound good, or does that sound like I'm creating, like a cult. Just don't want to create a cult.Brad Crowell 35:51  You're not creating a cult, you're creating a squad.Lesley Logan 35:54  But, but if it was a, but if it is a book club, I do believe that I would want the somehow the club has to be a podcast episode, you guys, my team will freak out if we add another Zoom call that does not produce an episode or a class. So, so anyways, okay, well, Jill Allen, thank you for being you, and thank you for just reminding us that we should have grit and stand in confidence and just go for it. It was just such a wholesome, wonderful interview. And I'm really excited for every orthodontist who gets to work for you, because I'm sure most of our listeners' kids are going to benefit from that, including our listeners. You know what, adults with braces it's a thing now. Brad Crowell 36:17  It's true. Lesley Logan 36:18  And share this with a friend who needs to hear it and Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 36:35  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 36:36  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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Lesley Logan chats with Jill Allen, orthodontic consultant, business strategist, and host of the Hey Docs! podcast, about building a thriving business by balancing logic, courage, and heart. Jill shares how she niched into startups, overcame imposter syndrome, and grew a national consulting practice from scratch with clarity, confidence, and a willingness to figure it out. Together they explore how curiosity and smart decision-making helped her be it till she saw it—and how you can too.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Jill discovered her entrepreneurial path in the orthodontic industry.Why niching down can create more opportunity and success in your business.What it takes to build confidence and overcome imposter syndrome as a founder.How block scheduling and focus can transform the way you work.The mindset shift that helps you make smart decisions without getting lost in emotion.Episode References/Links:Practice Results Website - https://www.practiceresults.comHey Docs! Podcast - https://www.practiceresults.com/hey-docsJill Allen on Instagram - https://instagram.com/jillallenandassociatesBook: Brave Not Perfect by Reshma Saujani - https://a.co/d/gpsWODMGuest Bio:The visionary owner and founder of Jill Allen & Associates, Jill is the driving force behind the company's success and a trailblazer in the orthodontic consulting industry. 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I don't want to lead with my heart. I want to lead with good business decisions. And if it's meant to be, it's going to work out, the doors are going to open. And if it's not, hey, there'll be something else that you know that will come my way. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:57  All right, Be It babe. This is really fun. Because of the world of podcasting, I get to do things where I get to meet people that I probably would never have, like, thought about for the show, and also need for the show, like, definitely need it. So this is, like, a total win for both our guests and I today. In fact, I'll get to be on her podcast soon. But our guest is Jill Allen, and I wanted to say, like you're going to hear when she introduce herself that she's a consultant for brand new startup orthodontics. And then I want you just to insert whatever it is that you are wanting to do, whatever it is you're already doing, and apply everything she says to that, because it applies to everyone. And it was such a fun conversation for us both. I got reminders about some things that I did in my early business. And I was like, oh, pat myself on the back. I got to, like, agree on the things that I'm actually teaching Pilates instructors everywhere about their startup. So, like, it actually doesn't matter that her work is in consulting orthodontics. That being said, if you want to be an orthodontist, or, you know, someone who is and they want to have their own practice, this is your expert. I got her for you. She's great, and so please enjoy the fabulous interview and the Be It Action Items are important, no matter if you never want to work for yourself, and especially if you do, so make sure you stay till the end. Here is Jill. Allen. Lesley Logan 2:15  All right, Be It babe. I am super excited to have this awesome conversation we're gonna have today, but mostly because anyone from Denver is a friend of mine. Jill Allen is our guest today, and she is coming to us from Denver. She is the host of the Hey Docs! Podcast. Jill Allen, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Jill Allen 2:32  Sure. Sure. So my name is Jill Allen. I am an orthodontic consultant, actually, and I have been in the orthodontic field for a little over 19 years, with my own business a little over 30 within the industry. And you know, I specialize on helping doctors start up their orthodontic practices and get their practices off the ground and running. And then I also host a podcast that I've been doing for little over a year now, just helping get good information out there to new business owners.Lesley Logan 3:06  Yeah, well, because, I mean, like, even though you specialize in orthodontic offices, a lot of the same systems apply to everything, to all doctors, but also to, like, any small business, anything and like, this is the funny thing you guys like, when you go to law school, when you go to orthodontics school, tennis school, like, Pilates school, they don't teach you how to be a business owner. Jill Allen 3:32  Absolutely. Yep, yep. Lesley Logan 3:34  They don't tell you any of that. Well, that's a shame, because then the best dentists and orthodontists and doctors out there might not actually get the clients, because they don't have the business acumen. So how did, okay, yeah, so 19 years in that world, that's a long time I'd already done braces by then. So, like, it's, thank goodness my parents invested in that at an early age. But how did you did you like, always want it, like, tell us how you got into this in the first place? Take us back. Jill Allen 4:02  Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it is kind of a fun, a fun story. And I was, you know, really thinking about this, you know, as as I was preparing, you know, to be on the show here today. And, you know, it's kind of funny, because even before I got started, I have always had a very entrepreneurship, just, personality from, you know, being a being a little girl, and my mom, you know, I, I'm going to date myself here, but, you know, being like, hey, you want to make some money go out and sell Amway. Here's some, you know. Here's some bottles of cleaner, you know. And she's sending her third grader out to, you know, rack on doors. And be like, hey, you want to buy some, you know, cleaner or whatnot. But, you know, for for me, just in my, you know, kind of who I am and who I was, I have always just had that spirit of, I want to be my own business owner. And so, as you know, I was, you know, kind of coming up through, you know, my my years, and then getting into orthodontics, I had an opportunity to work in an ortho office, and, you know, was just like, oh, this is just really cool. I like, I like, just the synergy of of this, this business industry, and it's such a niche industry. So with that in, you know, kind of, you know that that mindset, I was actually really blessed to work with some really progressive orthodontists who really believed in continuing education and just, you know, being on kind of the cutting edge of making their business better. So it wasn't just about treating the patient, but it was about, how do I, you know, make my team better? How do I make myself better so that I can provide this really great patient experience? So I got an opportunity at an early age to really get in and see, I'll say, some sages of our time within our industry, kind of at their peak. And for me, I was like, oh my gosh, this is exactly what I want to do, you know. I want to be able to, you know, kind of work in this field and help people, you know, just see what a, what a great field this is. So that's, that's kind of how I got into it. And, you know, for me, I kind of worked my way up and through the practice. And then, you know, 19 years ago was like, okay, I've kind of done everything that I need to do to learn about the business side of doing business. And then, you know, kind of stepped into the orthodontic space and said you know what, I can do this. I can step into this space as a consultant, and just kind of jumped off from there. Now, now, of course, you know, it was, you know, a really, you know, kind of, kind of trying, because I'm like, well, who am I? You know, like usually most consultants in big industry. You know, with within our industry, we're, we're pretty nichey, but, you know, I mean, there's, there's only a certain amount of people that do what I do. And you know, to speak to what you originally talked about with the startups, you know, what I saw is that there was a lot of great sages out there, but none of them were really working with the doctors who were starting their business, and I saw such a need, and thought, you know, this is crazy, and it's probably a horrible business decision, because I should be going after the people that actually have money and want to pay to make themselves better, versus the ones that haven't figured out how to make money yet. Lesley Logan 7:19  Right. Jill Allen 7:20  And, you know, and get going. But I saw such a need, and I also saw that there were a lot of doctors kind of holding themselves back from taking a chance on themselves because they just didn't know how to run a business. And so that's kind of where I I, you know, I kind of stepped into that space and said you know what, nobody else is here, it's a blue ocean, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna build my business in that space.Lesley Logan 7:47  Yeah, I think it's, okay, I just wanna highlight couple things. Like, first of all, like, orthodontics is its own niche, in (inaudible) on its own. But like, if you actually were to think about it, I'm sure almost every city has at least one orthodontist, you know? Oh my gosh, yeah, at least every city has one, right? And so so then. But I also would like this, like, just point out, because I think people are like, oh, I don't want to niche down. We have a lot of people who listen to this, who are are starting up their own thing, and they're like, if I niche down, then I'm like, what if I fail and all this stuff. And it's like, but you niched down even more, you're like, okay, I'm in the, I'm not just helping the medical field start an office. I'm helping people start orthodontic offices. And I I can imagine that was really scary to do that, but also that something that I think is really important. It's like, it's kind of freeing, because you're like, this is exactly what I'm talking to. I'm not trying to talk to the orthodontics who do this over here, and the one that does this over here, I'm talking to your office is new, and this is what we needed to set it up. I think that's really quite bold. And also, clearly, after all these years of doing it, a testament that it was the right thing to do is to niche down as specifically as possible.Jill Allen 8:58  Yeah, it was, and it has been, it's been a great success, and I am still the only one in our industry that just specializes in startup, you know, orthodontic practices. And, you know, as you know, when you talk about, you know, kind of taking, you know, it is scary. Number one, it's just scary to start a business and be like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a chance on myself. I didn't have a big company backing me, backing me. You know, that was like, hey, come in and speak for us. And, you know, kind of get your, you know, cut your teeth, you know, with with us, backing you. It was really, truly bootstrapping. Like, I've got a message, I think I can do this, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out there and, you know, just do the hard work to drum up business. And, you know, because I'm in Colorado, you know, originally I was like, oh, you know, I'll get started here in Colorado. And, you know, back in the day when I was getting started, we didn't even have that access, like we do now with internet.Lesley Logan 9:57  Oh, my God, that's, you know, how crazy, like, (inaudible) 19 years ago, no one was looking on Facebook for a coach.Jill Allen 10:04  No, you know (inaudible).Lesley Logan 10:05  No one was looking on Facebook for an orthodontist.Jill Allen 10:09  No, absolutely not. And so, you know, like, when I think back to, you know, I mean truly a grassroots approach, you know, and and my husband and I were young, and you know, you know, I always, you know, kind of took the approach. And I would say this for any business owner, is, you know, I would always say, okay, what's the worst that's going to happen if I, you know, if I take this and and it doesn't work, you know, I mean, like, I'm committed in my head to do, doing the work. But if it doesn't work, what's, what's the worst that's going to happen? And I would, you know, go through all these scenarios like, well, maybe bankruptcy, maybe we'll run out of money, maybe, you know what, whatever it was. And I always came back to, well, if that's the worst, I mean, like, yeah, it's scary to think about. But if that's the worst thing that that happens, I can recover from that. And I think that was really freeing for me, for when I decided to kind of move into that niche and say, well, you know, what's the worst? I'm, you know, I'm, I'm playing in an arena where the other consultants don't even have their eyes on me, so I can do what I want. And you know, nobody's coming after me as I'm building my business. And, you know, kind of starting my slow burn. Lesley Logan 11:22  Right. Because I think about, like, you know, we coach a lot of people in their Pilates business, and to start a Pilates studio back in the day, people would just start a studio with, like, one of everything, and, like, call it a day, so you can do it like, like, $25-$30,000. Now people think that they have to have like, 12 of everything, you know. And like, I think, like, all these things, and I'm like, that's a that's a huge barrier to entry, you know, and you have to be making money like, day one. I imagine, in your industry, the amount of things you have to buy for an office to function, that's quite the investment. So that is scary. So are you, like, are you finding them before they even make this investment. Are they finding you after they made the investment and they're freaking out?Jill Allen 12:05  Yeah, yeah. Actually, you know, it's kind of interesting how I find my clients. I mean, I, you know, like when I very first got started, I would just reach out to all of the colleges and be like, hey, you want somebody to, you know, to talk to the residents about running a business. And, you know, that's, that's kind of how it started, but, you know, now you know, now I, you know, I get, I get clients from, you know, from people who are just like, okay, I think I'm ready. I've been associating for a while, or I'm in school, and I just know I don't want to work for anybody else. And they're, you know, you know, kind of reaching out or whatnot. But it's, it's, it's, it's really been fun to see, you know, that that evolution of, you know, not just going after doctors, you know, in Colorado, but now I've got, you know, doctors across the United States and into Canada and so kind of all over.Lesley Logan 12:57  It's so cool. It's so cool. And I imagine, like, some things have changed and made it easier to start a business, because now we have so much technology that can, you know, like, they can just, they can buy this software, and it does a lot of the things that you had to do with other people and by hand. Can you talk about, like, you know, you've had to be it till you see it in a way to, like, go from what you were doing to like being a consultant and like believing in yourself. But I imagine you have to also get these, these doctors, to find a way to be it till they see it, to go from an associate to being a business owner, like, what are, what are the things that you see that they need to do to make that happen?Jill Allen 13:35  No, I think, I think with any business owner, I think I think number one is just being confident to stand in the space and and I truly do the work that it takes, because it is not easy to be a business owner. I don't care what what business you're doing. It takes grit. It takes hard work, and, you know, and it takes, you know, pumping yourself up, even if you don't believe it 100% yet. And I think you know, for all of us, you know, and I see this a lot with my doctors, that, you know, Superman, Superwoman syndrome, you know, where it's like, you know, I need to be doing it all, but I don't know how to do it all. And, you know, and it's just, it's a hard thing to, you know, learn to trust, to learn to, you know, move, move past, okay, you know, I don't know at all. So I can, you know, get somebody else to help me. But yet, I have a little bit of imposter syndrome, because, you know, you know, I've got to go from zero to 300,000 in my first year. I've got to go from, you know, 300,000 to 800,000 in my second year. You know what I mean. And so they're, you know, like, they've got big numbers that they have to hit, but it's all on them. So they think, and, you know, just, just getting out of their own way, if that, if that makes sense, to be like, I always tell my my clients, I'm like, you know, let's, let's just take it like, like we're eating a cookie, just, you know, one, one little bite at a time, and keep moving forward, and then just be sure to look backwards and be like, high five yourself. Like, hey, I just did that. You know, I just, I just got 20 new clients on my books that I had zero before. So high five to me, versus comparing myself to somebody out there on Facebook that got 40 in their first month, and you're like, oh, I, you know, I should have been better.Lesley Logan 15:28  Yeah, yeah. Well, because, I mean, like, you know, SEO is a real thing. Takes a while to get searchable. And then also, like, in that field, similar to the field I'm in, like, referrals go a lot, a long way. So if you're brand new, just don't have it yet. And then the hard thing is, the ideal world is that you only see orthodontist for a short period of time, and you move on like you should get the smile, yeah, and you go.Jill Allen 15:51  Yeah, two years and you're out of there. Lesley Logan 15:52  Yeah, yeah. I appreciate you talking about like, that Superman syndrome, because I do think so many people like I have to do it all. I can't afford to hire people. I can't afford this. And it's like, in a lot of cases, you can't afford not to like you like, it's you're it's, you know, I joke when I hire my first business coach, like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm taking my business to private school, and they're like, what? I'm like, well, you know, public school is great, and that's how I got my education. And I learned a ton. I learned I got to meet so many, I got to see all walks of life. And I'm very grateful for that education. But I need to move a little faster with my business. So it's going to private school, because that's where you meet the networks. Like, I didn't go to a sorority, so, so like, you know, having a consultant kind of can speed up the process, because it helps you see, like, no, you actually don't need to know exactly how the scheduling tool works. You need to hire someone who can do it, because you need to be doing the work with the clients that brings them the money.Jill Allen 16:47  Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think, you know, a lot of times when we're when we're working with clients, you know, the other thing that we're really doing is helping, you know, kind of see that big picture. Because a lot of times, as a business owner, you you don't see the big picture yet, you're still kind of in that step by step, head down. I gotta do this. I gotta reconcile my books, I gotta meet clients. I gotta, you know what I mean, and you're just in a very linear movement with your business. And I think having a coach, you know, to be able to kind of see, like, that big picture, like, hey, you're kind of getting off track, like, like, your head is down and you're working, but you may be veering a little too far in one direction, and you're kind of missing some of these other things. And so you know that, I think that's that's also the beauty of, you know, doing what we do, or having a coach involved, is somebody that can really see that bigger picture and also maybe even help you refocus. Because sometimes you do think that what you think is important is important, and it may actually not be as important as as as you may think, or you may have heard.Lesley Logan 17:56  Yeah, no, I totally, I mean, like, there's an it's an interesting thing about, like, the idea of working on the business versus working in the business, right? And, like, it's really easy. I was, like, working in the business for a few weeks recently, and, like, and it needed to be, I needed to be in the business. We had clients coming. We had a lot of things we're doing. We had events going on. So, like, I was in it, and when I was able to take a step out of being in it, and I looked around, I was like, hold on, what is this ad that's going out? Whoa, whoa. That doesn't make sense to the that is, that is, that's actually the and I got a little mad at myself, like I should have caught that sooner. And it's like, yes, I should have. But also, like, you have seasons of your business, and you, you know, as long as you're maybe what I took away is, like, you know, even if I'm doing three weeks in the business, because that's what's scheduled, there needs to be a day where I just take a little zoom out moment, what's going on, you know, to catch things. Because you you get so close to something, it becomes more important. And then there's that sunk cost fallacy that you just, like, I've worked so hard on this, it has to work. And it's like, you gotta, like, you gotta, like, detach from that as well, and you need someone to remind you.Jill Allen 19:03  Yeah, yeah, for for sure. And it is, it is hard, you know, I say the same thing to my clients. You know, we got to take time to work on the business while we're in the business. And, you know, one of the things that I really, you know, coach a lot on, is really making sure that my doctors really utilize block time scheduling. And I would suggest that for any business owner, and sometimes it feels so rigid, like, you know, I'm a personality that doesn't like to be told what to do. But yet, if I've got, you know, a whole day in front of me, man, I can find 100 things to do with that day if I have not, you know, kind of planned my time out and to have start and stop times, you know, because I can, you know, get dialed into something, and then at the end of the day, it's like, well, what did you do? Well, I worked on this one thing, but did that one thing really, really move me the way, you know, the way I wanted so I totally agree with you. Lesley Logan 19:04  I love that you brought up a lot, and I also appreciate that you're honest at like, you're not someone who likes that because, like, I so I have ADHD, my husband has ADD, like he's a rebel. As far as the tendencies go, I'm an upholder. So, like, I don't need to tell anyone I'm going to do something, but if I say I'm gonna do it, I'll do it. But I definitely had to learn early on, like, if you have three hours to work on something, you'll take three hours to work on that thing. If you have 45 minutes, you'll take 45 minutes, and if it takes longer than 45 minutes, that's okay, because now you can come back to it a different day, but you got to move on to the other things that have to get done. Like, when people are like, oh, I'm gonna, Mondays are my days to work on the business. I'm like, if you don't block out what's happening at nine, 10, 11, 12, you will get nothing done on the whole Monday because you just, you need that. Like, we need timers. We need a lot, whatever it is to, like, tell you, like, we have a kitchen timer, clock, and I'll set, like, Ookay, I'm going to do 15 minutes on this. Okay, do 20 minutes on this. And when I do that, I'm so much more focused. I don't go, oh, what's happening over on my Instagram. I wonder how that post is doing today.Jill Allen 20:57  Yeah, and it's, and I'm a very similar personality, and, like I said, I mean it, that's a hard thing, and that was a hard thing for me to learn, but it definitely makes, makes all the difference. And when, when we are so busy already, it's, you know, it's, I think it's just something we have to do as business owners, even if, even if our personalities rail against it, because mine definitely does. Lesley Logan 21:22  Yeah, yeah, no, I had, I was, I'm a little bit behind on this one project. I'm, okay, I normally don't work after like, four o'clock, which is not true. It's like, means I don't have any meetings. I can't have it after four. And it's kind of like, okay, what does tomorrow look like? What like did I wrap as much up today? Did I put the balls back in other people's courts so that I can just, you know, like, I don't want them to wait on me. And so anyways, I had this thing. I was like, okay, I'm gonna go home, and I spend an hour doing it. I'm just gonna do it. I'm gonna set a timer doing for an hour, and at 45 minutes, I'm like, we're no longer good at this. We did, we did 45 minutes of it, and we have to stop. Otherwise it's actually not gonna be better. It's gonna be a mess. So, you know, like, sometimes I think we even need to, like, put it on shorter time blocks on some of these things, because our brains can only focus for so long on one task, anyways.Jill Allen 22:10  Yeah, yeah. And, and I think just to give yourself permission that I can't force myself into creativity, or I can't force myself into, like, there are just times, my husband jokes, your squirrels are running wild. Yeah, they are, you know, but yeah, and, and I can't, I can't do anything about it, so maybe I need to go take a walk and, you know, unlock whatever it is that I'm, you know, thinking through or working through, you know. And I think just giving ourselves permission to pivot to, even within work, kind of focused things, to be able to say, I can, I can shift or switch this up, it doesn't mean I'm a failure, because I didn't get my block time in. Sometimes I just need to change it up, because that is what will actually help me move, move forward and progress through what I need to get done. Lesley Logan 22:59  Yeah, and I think it's like that permission structure we have to give ourselves the grace and like, also just awareness of, like, how do we like to work? And when do we like to work? Like, when are we most creative? When is it better to be on calls with people? And when is it like, no, please just, I cannot. I need. So I wonder like, you know, you've been doing this for so, so long. Have you ever worried, like, is there going to be enough orthodontists? Like, do you ever get like that? Or do you do, you know, because I have people who are like, they're they have an uncle or an aunt or a friend who's like that, you're going to run out of the there's not enough people for that. For example, we have flashcards. And, like, sometimes Brad and I are like, do we sell all didn't, didn't everyone buy the flashcards already? And then, like, there's a bunch more people, right? And so. And then this guy who manufacture Pilates equipment, his uncle, was like, how many of these things can you make? You know, like, so there's these doubters. Like, you're gonna run out. Do you ever get like that? And like, how do you talk yourself out of doubt like that?Jill Allen 23:55  It's a great question, you know, I guess, when I started this business originally, and when I got into, especially, specifically working with startups. You know, the one thing that I always thought was, I want to be in a business that, that there will always, it's kind of like a wedding, wedding dress, if you're selling, there's always going to be people that are getting married. And the way I look at it, within our industry, at least, there will always be new doctors coming. So I feel like, you know, there's there there is not an end in sight to, you know, unless our industry were to end, which that you know that that's not going to happen. Now is there, and could there be a cap to how big my business, you know, gets? Absolutely. And I think that is probably more of a struggle that I have had when you think about, Do I have a lifestyle business, or do I have a business that is actually going to be something that I can sell, and that's that's probably been something that I have been really working towards and thinking a lot about in, you know, especially in these last five years as you know, as, you know, when I look forward and say, okay, how much longer do I want to do this? And you know, a lifestyle business is great, you know, it gives us great money. It gives us, you know, there's all these things, but my personality says, you know, I want more legs under my business. You know, I want more verticals. And so, you know, good or bad, my personality says, well, well, what, what can I bring on, which is, you know, some of the things that I'm actively even looking at right now at purchasing another pretty big business to kind of bring under the wing of mine. But it's more, it's it's more because, you know, I'm looking at that exit strategy, which I never thought I'd be looking at an exit strategy. You know, I was like, how do I just get this business off the ground? And I want to love what I do, and I do love what I do, but it definitely, I think with any business, there comes this point where you have to make that assessment. Am I good with where it's at, and will I be good with winding it down when I'm ready, if, if there is not an opportunity to sell, or what do I need to do to start looking at those verticals to maybe, you know, kind of take it to that next level of, you know, moving and, you know, hopefully getting, you know, a bigger buyer to come in.Lesley Logan 26:19  Yeah, I thank you for sharing that, because I think, like, you know, when I got into teaching, like, and all this stuff, I was like, I'm just gonna teach, and then I'll retire, you know, and then, like, we started, I started building other businesses that went along with it, because I saw a need. And then when my husband came on full time, he's like, okay, well, what is our exit strategy? Is like, I'm sorry, why are we talking about the end? And you know, then along the way, I met one of my dear friends, Kareen Walsh, and she's been on the show, and she is, like, very big on like, before you start something, you got to know how you want to end it, because it changes what you create, how you create it. And like, if it's going to die with you, that's fine, or if you want to retire, but it continues on, or someone else runs it for you, or you sell it, you know? And there's that and that that changes the systems, it changes the client, it changes everything. And so yes, of course you can, you can, in the middle of your business, go, oh, I'm gonna think about this and make changes. It just, it just is a different route of going through it. So I love that you what a what a bold move like, that's crazy. Did you ever think you were to buy another business?Jill Allen 27:22  No, no, I, you know, I didn't. And when I started this, that was not, you know, again, that that was not, not what I had in mind. I mean, I really within our industry, kind of the, you know, when you look at the sages in our industry, they really were just lifestyle, and they'd wind them down, you know, they'd work to a certain point, and then wind him down, and, you know, and I just was like, that's, it's just not for me. That's not, not my mentality. And so, you know that that has been something I have been actively working towards, and, you know, looking at, you know, and again, like, I go back to my original you know, well, what's the worst that's going to happen? You know, I go after this big business and either it, you know, it doesn't work. You know, I always look at when I'm making business decisions, I try and really take the emotion out of it and just say, does this logically work? I don't want to be leading with my heart, even though my heart may want it. I don't want to lead with my heart. I want to lead with good business decisions. And if it's meant to be, it's going to work out, the doors are going to open. And if it's not, hey, there'll be something else that you know that will come my way. Lesley Logan 28:30  Thank you for sharing that. Like I was just listening to Zarna. Her last name, I'm it's Zarna the G, but she's a comedian, and I just learned a movie, and she was being interviewed on LinkedIn, and so she's like, she said, yes, she's like, the difference between a lot of comedians that I see and the ones that are making the money is like, I'm not attached to a joke. If I tried it three different ways, and it doesn't get the laugh that I'm expecting, it gets tossed out. Because at the end of the day, this is a business and the analytics matter. And if you are, like, no, this is a joke. This is the thing I want. She's like, there's a that's a hobbyist, that's not a business owner, and, I think, like, yes, we all need to be connected to our heart. There needs to be some love and empathy for the people that we're working with. But the end of the day, if you're wanting it to be not even just a lifestyle business even, but like, anything that's actually going to be consistent income for you, you have to take the emotions out of it and go, okay, hold on, if I like 30,000 foot view, is this working? Like, would other people say it's working like, could I, you know, all that stuff. So I think that that's a really great question. Does it logically make sense? We have a thing we're wanting to maybe potentially do. And like, my brain is like, I can do this. I can, like, figure, like, I the business makes sense to me. And then my heart is like, the time and energy and emotion this is going to take is actually I don't have it right now. Like, if I'm going to do this, then I actually need to take some time to set up the space in my life and the other businesses for me to have the emotional pull that needs to be there to push through the obstacles. So, like I can see on a logical standpoint how it works. But then there's the heart. So you have to have both, but you kind of make sure that you're not leaning into one more than the other too much, because it can keep you from seeing the forest for the trees, you know. Jill Allen 30:22  Yeah, well, and I think, I think that is one of the really, you know, tough things. But I also think it's just where, you know, we as business owners grow, you know, where, you know, the Jill Allen that I am 19 years into business, is very different than the Jill Allen I was 19 years ago when I started this business. And you know, when, when I look at these decisions, you know that I'm looking at, you know, I've got, you know, 11 employees that I support. I've got, you know, this, as you're talking about, you know, when I'm looking at bringing on this other business, I'm having to put directors and level, you know, level, you know, things in place in my own business so that I can free myself up if I'm going to run another business, you know, and it's just this totally different way of looking at it, but yet, I don't want to be disconnected from the thing that I love the most, and I absolutely love the consulting so it, it really is, you know, interesting to just kind of sit under that weight of where am I and what do I want? And, you know, I know it's going to be hard. I know, you know, like my husband and I have discussions, you know about this, because my husband also works in the business. He was able to retire from his first career. And, you know, come in and start working in our business as well. And, you know, and we have these discussions, you know, like, you know, are are you going to have the time? Do you have the bandwidth, you know, to do it? And it's, it's, it's hard to kind of sit under that weight sometimes and again, you know, take the emotion out of it. And do I have the time? Do I, you know, I've got, I've got grandbabies. Do I want to give up my time, you know, with, with my grandbabies, when I have to go and do the hard work, you know, of you know, you know, bringing it on and getting another business off the ground. But, you know, I don't know that there's a right or wrong. It's more just can, you know, am I thinking it through, and can I pivot if I need to?Lesley Logan 32:15  Yeah, I agree there's not a right or wrong. It's kind of like, does it work? Does like, I just interviewed my yoga teacher, and he's like, does it serve you? Like, he's like, he's like, most people would say that drinking at the end of the work day doesn't serve them, but some people, if it takes the edge off, so that they can, like, be with their family, what, is it, is it the right answer all the time, no, but maybe so that they're present for their family on that day. It did serve them. And so it's like, we think that things are bad or good or right or wrong, but if it you have to ask, like, is this serving me? And if the answer is yes, the hardest part is that we don't actually owe anyone the explanation. You know, if people are like, oh my god, don't you miss your grandbabies on Saturdays, it's like, that's that's them projecting. And we have to be able to go, yeah, of course I do, but I am so excited to see them on Sundays, or, actually, I see them on Thursday nights. So I think it's just like, you know, the hardest part is dealing with the other people questioning the decisions that we make, and that's really, like, where we have to, like, stand in our like, we're the only person who could decide what's what's good for us, yeah. Jill Allen 33:20  Yeah. And I think there are always going to be those people. I mean, I've, I've had it, you know, you know, oh, you just work so, you know, oh, you're traveling again, oh, you're speaking again. Oh, you know, you know, they like you said, they project that.Lesley Logan 33:33  I get all the time, you're so busy. And I was like, I mean, you I am busy, but if you think I'm tired, that's a that's different, or that I don't like it. I like what I'm doing, and it is busy, but I but I'm also like, I sleep. I work out more than you do.Jill Allen 33:53  Yeah, well, and I always say it, you know, I'd rather work 80 hours for myself than 40 hours for somebody else. So I'll take, I'll take this and the lifestyle that I lead, knowing that I absolutely love what I do, and I love the connections that I make with my doctors. And, you know, there is nothing more inspiring for me than to have, you know, you know, these long term relationships with my clients and have them be like, you know, hey, Jill, I'm a, you know, $3 million, $4 million practice now, I'm a, you know, and to think that the foundation that we built, you know, that that doctor that was so concerned about getting started or, you know, when we were looking at demographics and saying, yeah, this, this location is going to be a great location, you know, let's, let's do this. And then to have them come back and be like, I'm doing it. I'm killing it. I'm, you know, I'm loving life. I made the right decision. I mean, for me, I'm like, nothing's better.Lesley Logan 34:49  That's so cool. I love that. That is so fun, that they get to say that and you get to celebrate with them. It also just lets you be able to turn around until the next person who's worried, like this person was able to do it, and you can do it too. You know. And I think, like, as much as we don't want to look outside ourselves for things, like, sometimes we need proof that what's inside will work, you know, if we, if we work with it. This is Jill, you're so fun. And I think everything you said is applicable to, like, anything we're wanting to do, you know, like, so, thank you so much for sharing that. We're gonna take a brief break and we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you, hear more of your amazing words. Lesley Logan 35:24  All right, Jill Allen, where do you hang out? Where can people get to hear more of this wisdom, this advice that you have?Jill Allen 35:32  Sure, sure. So if you wanna check out my website, I know probably most people are not in the orthodontic field, but if you just wanna check out the.Lesley Logan 35:40  They could be being it until they see it to be orthodontics, or maybe their kid is, or maybe. Jill Allen 35:44  Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, www.practiceresults.com is my website. I do a podcast called Hey Docs! H-E-Y-D-O-C-S with an exclamation. It comes out every Thursday, and it really is just, you know, business basics. You know, I interview anybody from bankers to real estate to just, just anybody and everybody you know, just, just trying to get good information out out there. And then, if you wanted to reach out to me, you're always welcome to, you know, I'm on Facebook, Jill Allen and Associates, and Instagram as well. So, yeah, just, you know, just any of those places you can you can find me about anywhere. Lesley Logan 36:24  I love it. I'm telling you guys, before I hit record, I was like, Jill on this. I mean, like, you could be, like, you have the best name for anything. You could be a beautiful shoe line, a gorgeous clothing line, you know, a huge law firm like, you just the sky's the limit. You're so great, and you gave us such good stuff already truly, like, I even though I understand, like, oh, I'm like, in this space, but I feel like there's so much in there that, like, we all need to remember. But for the people who are the too long and listen, but want actionable steps, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps do you have for people to be it till they see it?Jill Allen 37:02  You know, I think I'm gonna, I've said this a couple times, but I think anytime you're looking at making a, you know, a decision, just just really sit under the weight of, like, really, truly, what is the worst thing that's going to happen if you move forward with this idea or with this venture. And if you can answer, well, I can handle that, then move forward with it. You know that the beauty of it is we can pivot at any point, and just because you picked a direction doesn't mean you have to stick that direction. And I think you know the beauty of being able to change is, is also going to really just help maneuver you through as you're as you're getting your business or your idea or your vision off of the ground. And then the last thing that you know, that that I always, I've got, I've got two more things that, you know, I kind of live, live by. And sorry, I'm probably going longer than I should. But I, you know, I, I, I truly believe that we can figure out anything. And you know, I have a tattoo on my wrist that says, figure it out. And that has truly been my motto from from the beginning, like there is nothing that we can't figure out. And I guarantee you, if you'll be vulnerable enough to ask somebody for help, successful people will always give you help. They will always give you the right answers. And sometimes it's just a matter of saying, hey, you know, when I didn't understand how to do demographics, or I didn't understand how to read a lease, you know, I would be vulnerable and go out and be like, hey, can you help me understand what triple net means? And people would gladly do it, and now, because of that mentorship, I can mentor others. And so just, just be vulnerable and and don't be afraid to ask. I mean, yes, we've got to have that fake it till you make it, but, but don't, don't be afraid to be vulnerable and ask somebody that knows more. I think most people truly, intrinsically want to help, and, you know, versus want to, you know, squash you and you know, hope that you don't. And then I just, you know, you know, there's a book that that I read, and I'm going to mess up the author's name, but, you know, Brave, Not Perfect. And I believe in that. You know, we should just be brave in what we're doing. We don't need to be perfect. Just, just be brave enough to try it, you know, you'll, you'll come into your own perfection.Lesley Logan 39:23  Yeah, oh, I really, I've not heard that. I want to read that book. I like the title already, and I do agree, like, we can figure it out. And oftentimes, like, if we just actually do what your other thing is, your other point was, was like, what's the worst that's gonna happen? Oftentimes, we actually just have to address the fear that we're having, because then we have that elephant out of the room, and we can actually figure it out. Like, sometimes it's like a two punch. You gotta go, what am I? Why am I struggling so hard to like, what am I afraid of in this conversation? And then, like, go into it. So I agree so much, so applicable to anything in life, not just business. I think it's true. And also you're right, like most people, I didn't grow up like, asking questions. I was like, I should probably know that by now. I should, I should know that by now, and my husband, he'll just ask the question, and I'm like, oh, okay. And then people just answer it, and I'm like, oh yeah, well, that was so that was so easy. Jill Allen 40:14  Yeah, it's easy. Lesley Logan 40:14  That was, that was so easy, you know, because, like, they could just say no, you know, in my life, I've had like, people, like, ask for things to me. I'm like, oh, yeah. And then I'm like, oh, I actually don't have the time to take this on. It's not that I don't want to help you. I just, I'm not in a place to help you in this moment, you know. But, like, that's also not crushing people. It's just, like, an honesty is a really great thing, but it's true, most people will just be like, oh, actually, call this person or it's so and so. Oh, I learned it here. Oh, go read it here. So it's quite it's quite nice. So, Jill, you're so fabulous. And I'm sure we can learn so much about your amazing podcast if we're wanting to do the business stuff. Because, you know what? It all kind of leads itself into the same thing, like everyone has to have good customer journeys, great locations, you know, things that make sense and easy for people to find. So thank you for being you. These tips are amazing. Lesley Logan 41:01  You guys, how are you gonna use them in your life? Let Jill Allen know, let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a friend, especially anyone who's thinking to be an orthodontist we all know, or maybe you have one, and who they could be better. So share them with Jill Allen. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:21  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 42:04  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 42:09  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 42:13  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 42:20  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 42:23  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Welcome Natties to episode 109 “The Naturals in…space?” Join us as we dive into wild eye trauma stories both Uncle Kyle and Sweet Derek experienced, childhood cartoons, coming up with fantasy sports characters names and background, Riyadh comedy festival drama, the scary 3I/Atlas “comet”, what we would do if aliens showed up and so much more! !!! You don't want to miss this one! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for? Thanks Natties for all your support and being along for the ride!!!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!SocialsUncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

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It's Fuck Yeah Friday! Lesley drops affirmations for abundance and well-being that you can use anytime you need to reset your mindset. She celebrates an inspiring win from listener Nancy about feeling her best physically, mentally, and spiritually—and highlights her own unexpected milestone of teaching in Singapore. This short but powerful episode is packed with practical affirmations and reminders to keep your dreams “on the board” so you can step into opportunities when they arrive.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Affirmations that anchor wealth and well-being into daily life.Nancy's journey to loving her body and building a Pilates sisterhood.The role Pilates played in strengthening her relationship with her daughter.How Lesley turned a 15-hour layover into a teaching milestone in Singapore.Why having goals visible creates space for opportunities to align.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsManifestation Babe https://www.instagram.com/p/DGlHc89JmlB If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah.Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the be it till you see it. Podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan Pilate instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained 1000s of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. Happy Friday. How did we make it midway through October already? My gosh, oh my god. This is craziness. I'm happy you're here. I'm so happy you're here. These are our quick episodes. They're here to remind you of being it till you see it, because it is so easy to fall under, well, I'm just gonna take a lot of masculine action to do things that I think other people want me to do that will make them like me versus what would the version of me that I'm trying to grow towards and glow towards and become do if I was them right now, that's how you be it till you see it. We do a little inspiration, little win of yours, a little win of mine, a little affirmation. But I actually have some extra affirmations for you. These are affirmations to become wealthy as fuck. So I'll read them for you, and they'll be in the transcripts if you want to copy and paste anytime you want, or you can go to the post. We'll have the link below. So, money is an unlimited resource, and I am always in flow with abundance. Every dollar that I spend returns back to me infinitely, multiplied. That one I like. Wealth is my natural state. I attract prosperity effortlessly. The more I expand, the more abundance I allow into my life. I am a magnet for financial overflow, and money loves to support me. So I'll save you more affirmations for at the end. But first we have to go to a win of yours. Lesley Logan 2:12  Okay, you guys sent some great wins. Remember, you can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions so we can celebrate what you're going on, and then you can hear it months later and go, Whoa. That was a win that I had that's so cool. This is from Nancy Lawrence. She's eLevate person. She'd been to our Cambodia retreat. We love her so much. My win, not just this week, but a forever win. I'm 55 years old, turning 56 very soon, and I can say I have never felt better physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. Through the practice Pilates, I have learned that my body and all bodies is are precious, beautiful, and I should take care of it as such. It sounds simple, but it isn't, not to me. Today, I eat better, I move better, I love myself better. This enables me to give others the best of me, and it shows I feel it in my heart when I look at who I am today, how my days start, what I do day to day, I would never imagine to be so happy and feel so loved and blessed, not to mention the sisterhood I have found through the eLevate mentorship and the beautiful relationship with my daughter, who is now Pilates teacher and soon to graduate eLevate Five. She graduated guys. Lesley and Brad, you guys are changing lives, and you've changed mine. But doesn't stop there, Lesley, you talk about carrying on Joe's work and the method and exercises, the order, et cetera. I love you for that. I hope I can also be a carrier of that message in the way that I teach and live my life. Thank you, Lesley, for doing what you do in the world of Pilates. I know Jay and Joe are smiling down at you. Last but not least at all. I will see you guys in Cambodia for the second year in a row. I can't wait to see what lifelong change this go around will ignite in me and my dear friend, who is new to the world of Pilates, has already started his own practice and is embracing everything with an open heart. So beautiful. Nancy, it's so beautiful. I'm so excited as well. It's going to be so amazing. Lesley Logan 3:54  All right, a win of mine. You guys, I have wanted to teach in Singapore for a really long time. Really, really wanted to do it. And the truth is is, like, my schedule is not always, like, conducive of like, adding another event onto it, like, we have to plan a lot of things in advance. And I really wanted to, and we were planning our trip to the Cambodia, really, this retreat that we're on right now. Alright, listen to this. We had a 15 hour layover during the daytime in Singapore. And so people who want us to teach a retreat, I was like, oh, we're going to be there for 15 hours. I really want to teach there. I really want to meet the people who've been supporting what we do from afar and have never been able to come to anything in person. Let's do it. And we so we did, we have workshop in Singapore. So I'm so excited, and I share this with you because, like, if there's something you want to do and you're struggling to figure out how to make it happen, one of the best things you could do is just keep it on the board. Just keep it where you can see it, because there will be an opportunity that comes up, and if it's on your mind's eye, like, that's the opportunity for me, like, that's it just worked itself out. It just, it just happened. So anyways, I'm just really excited to get to, like, do that, and I am excited to get, I got to share that with you guys. Lesley Logan 5:12  So, now, some affirmations on radiating in life, affirmations to affirmations to radiate health and well being. My body radiates at the highest frequency of vitality and well being. Every cell in my body is filled with divine energy, strength and balance. I trust my body's wisdom and honor what it needs to thrive. I am constantly renewing, healing and stepping into my strongest self. Feeling good is my birthright, and I all I fully allow myself to receive vibrant health. So you know what to do. Go to the show notes, take the ones you want and read it out loud if you need it. Being it until you see it doesn't happen by snapping your fingers, right? It happens from believing it all the way through, and sometimes we have to repeat a mantra or an affirmation out loud until it just feels like it's in us. You know, it's it's not, life is hard. And I feel you, if you're like struggling, or you're doubting yourself, or you're in a depressed place, like it happens, and when those days happen, you need something you can just repeat over and over and over again, because you are so much more, right, and it's really easy for other things to distract us or get us down, a bad health day, a bad work day, a bad health week, a bad work month, and then we start to doubt ourselves that you need some of these. So screenshot them from the or copy them from the transcripts, put them where you can need to see them and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 6:47  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:29  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:34  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 7:39  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 7:46  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 7:49  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack the biggest takeaways from mindset coach Brad Bizjack, diving into what it really takes to create change that lasts. They reveal why perfectionism often hides behind the need for certainty, and how emotional leverage—not time—sparks transformation. Through real talk, personal stories, and practical takeaways, they show how knowing your “why” makes the “how” reveal itself. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How “certainty” disguises itself as perfectionism and quietly fuels procrastination.The real reason small, safe actions keep you from meaningful progress.What crossing the “line of lasting change” actually looks like in real life.Why unreasonable dreams push you to take bolder, smarter action.How doubt, pain, and vision each spark identity-level transformation.Episode References/Links:Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/retreatsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsBrad Bizjack's Success Accelerator - https://beitpod.com/successThe Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo by Taylor Jenkins Reid - https://a.co/d/4LmmMXAThe Empyrean Series by Rebecca Yarros - https://a.co/d/b1VxT1NLove Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant - https://a.co/d/e1J9w2YTiny Habits by BJ Fogg, PhD - https://a.co/d/4Ov1GNXWomen Waking Up by Wendy Valentine - https://a.co/d/08CWFHoMissionary Position by Celeste Holbrook - https://a.co/d/gXQBKeeThe Cycle of Galand by Edward W Robertson - https://a.co/d/94ZvPV4 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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It actually happens in an instant when you have the leverage to create that change. For example, people in painful relationships who know they should take different action, but they don't, until something happens and all of a sudden the lever is actually pulled, right?Lesley Logan 0:18  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:01  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the compelling convo I had with another Brad. This is Brad Bizjack in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you did not get your life spiced up. You did not get extra dose of energy. You, you you need to, you have to go back. Brad Crowell 1:21  You're officially missing out. Lesley Logan 1:22  So you'll listen to us talk about him, and then go listen to that one. But you can't skip that one.Brad Crowell 1:27  Cannot skip it. It's a great interview, a great episode. Brad Bizjack is, he is, is very educated on emotional maturity.Lesley Logan 1:38  I think that's a good way of discussing it, yeah. Brad Crowell 1:40  And he, he explains in his programs, which Lesley and I have been students of, how we have connected the dots on things in a way that puts undue pressure on ourselves, right? So like success or security or all these amazing things that like we want and need and desire. But then, what is the like if we haven't laid it out properly, we end up feeling scared or afraid, or like a lot of pressure and all this kind of stuff. And that's why this his conversation was very compelling, because he also uses amazing. Lesley Logan 2:20  Acronyms. No, examples. Brad Crowell 2:23  Yeah examples and quips like short statements that are very thought-provoking. Loved it. Fantastic.Lesley Logan 2:31  No notes. Brad Crowell 2:32  Yeah, yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 2:34  Well, we're gonna get into that in a second. But first Today is October 16th, National Spirit Day. Spirit Day is an annual observance that takes place on the third Thursday in October, and that's on October 16th this year. This day aims to create awareness for the bullying harassment that the LGBTQ community faces. Millions of people worldwide, identified as queer, and many more are yet to publicly declare their status. Such a large community, people shouldn't be alienated or marginalized just because of theire sexual orientation. But the reality, sadly, is that they are. All over the world, LGBTQ youth suffer harassment because of their identity. There is also a need for transgender individuals to have more protected rights. And so, you know, taking some time today to just see what's going on in your community and how you can support. I would even look up the people who are wanting if you're especially if you in a country where you can vote, look who's saying terrible things about these people and don't vote for them, period. Because here is the deal, it's not going to stop with them. It won't stop with them. If they take away all the rights of LGBTQ, where you live, they're not going to be like now we have the power we want, no, they'll come for someone, next. Brad Crowell 3:43  But it didn't start with them. That's the thing. And I think, I think that's the it's a misnomer that like, oh, wow, they're a huge problem. No, they're only a huge problem because they're the current topic of conversation, and they're and the problem is, is being well, it's being created in a way that it's not real. Right? So they're making it a problem. They're they're pretending that it's a problem because they need somebody to to alienate,Lesley Logan 4:07  Yeah, someone ha,s to be the thing that we all fear. And look, the word homosexual was not in the Bible till 1946, interesting, because I thought that was a work of of words that's been around for thouosands of years, right? So it was put in there to make you scared, to make you conform. And then in the 80s, they used the AIDS epidemic to get you scared and afraid of people and not even wanting to hug people. And now they want to make us all worried about the fucking sports. No one gave a rat's ass about women's sports and tell trans and there's like, 10 people in the NCAA sports that are trans. And when you there was a swimmer who was asked, like, are you worried about trans women in sports? She's just like, no, I'm worried about Republicans becoming Nazis. And I loved that quip. I loved it, because the reality is, is that, like, they're trying every. All of this is to scare you that there's someone different than you that is trying to take something away from you. And the reality is, is that, like bullying is rampant amongst everything. There is, I get bullying of I don't look this enough. I look too much of this. There's, everyone has it. But the reality is, is that there's a community that's getting it more right now, and it is dangerous. It's dangerous because we know that bullying costs lives. People, especially youth, will take their own lives and so it's.Brad Crowell 5:31  Dangerous on multiple levels. It's dangerous if there's an immediate danger, right? And that immediate danger is for people who are in the community that is being targeted. And currently what we're talking about is the LGBTQ community, but there's the, there's, that's the immediate danger, and then the long term danger is societally, right, because they aren't gonna, you know, somehow, like, it's not gonna stop with this community. When, when, when something, when, when the the public perception is finally, like, actually, we don't agree with you. Okay, then they're like, oh well, there's another community we need to be worried about, and they're just going to shift over to another community. They've done it. They've done it over and over and over and over. Lesley Logan 6:10  Yeah, they always do. It was the witches before this, which was just another word for women. And so my I bring, not to bring you all down, because we're gonna bring you back up again in just a second. But like, you have agency here. You can call your congress person. You can make sure that the school is do is taking action. You can also educate yourself, in case you have family members who are upset about it. Like there are ways to actually being in curiosity and ask the right questions that help them understand, you know, what is, to find out what are they afraid of? What are they so afraid of? And then we have to just also start loving more, because the other thing is, is that we just start getting mad at homophobic people, and that puts hate in our heart, and it doesn't make us any better than them. And so anyways, go observe Spirit Day. I love it. Brad Crowell 7:03  Yeah. Lesley Logan 7:04  Okay, we've announced the OPC tour, opc.me/tour so you can see all the dates. I would list all the cities off for you, but I don't have them today, while we're recording this. So they're up now, though they've been up for a couple of weeks, and you want to grab your spot. If you have any questions, let us know. But all workshops and workouts are for any lover of Pilates, new to very experienced and there are CECs, Balance Body is our sponsor. We are so, so excited about it. We're getting closer to you needing to be on that waitlist for Cambodia, because in January, you're gonna get the email that says, hey, hey, you want to get a discount on this? You're the only person who gets it if you're on the waitlist. We're in Cambodia right now.Brad Crowell 7:42  Yeah, actually, literally, Lesley and I are currently in Cambodia hosting a second retreat this year. Next year, we will only be having one retreat to Cambodia, and it will be in the fall, in October of next year, right? So if you want to be one of the group of people that can come, because it is limited, you got to be on the waitlist. Go to lesleylogan.co/retreats, that's plural, to get yourself on the wait list, you can find out all more more information on crowsnestretreats.com. But we will be making an announcement here soon, in January, about the early bird special. So prepare, stay prepared for that. Lesley Logan 8:17  Even if you hear it here, you still have to have the link in the email. So get on the waitlist. In a couple days, we're going to be in Singapore teaching a private event, and finally, seeing the Botanical Gardens. We're so, so excited about it. Brad Crowell 8:29  I'm so fired up about that. Lesley Logan 8:30  We've seen them from, like, a high up view, but we haven't actually been in them. And then, of course, we'll be on our winter tour. So that'll be five weeks long, almost like five weeks long, and then we come home for to unpack, and then we go to Huntington Beach to the Pilates Journal Expo, xxll.co/pilatesjournal, we'll get you links. We'll get you linked to the tickets.Brad Crowell 8:52  Yeah, go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. Lesley Logan 8:55  There's a ton of people who are going to be there. I'm really excited about it. It's going to be like a reunion for me and some of these friends. So I can't wait, so you should come. And then in March, we're doing the Poland Controlology Pilates Conference. So Karen Frischmann and I are back in Wroclaw. Sorry, my Polish peeps, if I said that wrong, people try to teach you (inaudible) which is not it. It is not even close, I was like, but it's easier to say, it's like, well, that's not the name of your town. So we'll be there teaching a conference together, and then from there.Brad Crowell 9:23  So go to xxll.co/poland yeah.Lesley Logan 9:28  And then Karen, Brad and I are gonna like to-to-to through Europe until the following weekend. We'll be in Brussels. xxll.co/brussels.Brad Crowell 9:37  What do you think weigh in here, should we be saying xxll.co or should we be saying double X, double l dot co? What do you like? Think. Double X, double L? Double x, double l dot co. Lesley Logan 9:47  No, that's too hard. Brad Crowell 9:49  Double X double L. Lesley Logan 9:49  Because people might actually type in double.Brad Crowell 9:53  They might. Lesley Logan 9:53  They, our listeners would. Brad Crowell 9:55  But I, IKYKY. Lesley Logan 9:58  Yeah, but people say that. No one says. Brad Crowell 10:01  Double x, double l dot co. I'm making it a thing. Lesley Logan 10:04  No, xxll.co/brussels.Lesley Logan 10:07  I let you make OPC a thing. No, this is xxll.co or it should be xxll.co, maybe not saying the C-O, because the problem is, it just sounds like too many letters, and then I get overwhelmed. So at any rate, it's also in the show notes, you can just click it, Brussels. These are both in March, and then in April, we'll be at P.O.T. in London. Brad Crowell 10:27  Looking forward to that. Lesley Logan 10:28  Alright, we had an incredible question that was really fun, and, like, got us all chatting in the studio in between classes. Brad, so I thought I would bring the attendees from Essex question, because I just thought, let's talk about this.Brad Crowell 10:42  That's so fun. Okay, the question was, what non-Pilates books do you read? Lesley Logan 10:48  A lot. Brad Crowell 10:49  Okay. Lesley Logan 10:49  I don't read very many Pilates books anymore. I mean, there's only a couple good ones. So, okay.Brad Crowell 10:54  So let's talk about it. Do you prefer a specific type of genre of non-Pilates books? Lesley Logan 11:00  I love a good popcorn book. You know, a popcorn for your brain book. That's how my friend Sue and I talk about, like. Brad Crowell 11:04  What does that mean? Just like. Lesley Logan 11:05  You read the book and you get lost and like, it is not going to change the world. It's definitely not going to change your life. You can almost consume the book in like, two or three days. It's, it doesn't make, change your intelligence in any way. But it's like, it's like a little popcorn for your brain. The books are like, that would signify that as, like, The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo, that author, so good, that book, I read it in two days. I was like, I never have time to read. Right in two days, I have fucking plenty of time to read if I like the book. I don't. So I like that kind of genre, like a rom-com type book is like my go to but you and I are really into the Empyrean series. And I. Brad Crowell 11:45  We sure are. Lesley Logan 11:45  So I post. So I shared with this group. I said, oh, I'm deep in the Imperium series, because it's, like, a great way to, like, get lost in something. And the girls were like, The Fourth Wing, and I'm like, Yeah, I'm in. And they were like, okay, I've heard it's really good. So it's only making its way to the U.K. right now. At any rate. Brad Crowell 12:03  The Empyrean. E-M-P-Y-R-E-A-NLesley Logan 12:05  Yeah, so, Rebecca Sorrows. Brad Crowell 12:07  And yeah, no. Yarros. Rebecca Yarros, yeah.Lesley Logan 12:12  But I get this, so Yasmeen, she posted a picture and tagged me with The Fourth Wing and Tiny Habits. And she said, my recommended reading and I was like, never has anyone ever put those two books in the same like Recommended Reading section, for sure. So I shared it, and someone else was like, oh, are you reading that series? I said, Oh, I definitely am, and I recommend it all the time. And I got a recommendation for another series that's really good. So I haven't read it yet, so I can't tell you about it, but it's really quite fun to see how many people are in the (inaudible) people are into it. It's very, very good, look, it's, it's, it's gonna be it's like, what is it like, called? Romantic fantasy or it's like, what's the genre? Because it's fantasy, but it's not, if you don't read it with your kids, so it's got to have, like, another letter, another word. So while he's looking that up, I.Brad Crowell 13:03  They call it new adult fantasy romance or military fantasy.Lesley Logan 13:07  That's, no, that's, I would call it adult fantasy. That's what I would put it under. And it's great. I really, really like it. It's from a female, like, hero perspective. Brad Crowell 13:17  Oh, they call it romantasy. Lesley Logan 13:19  Romantasy. That's a better, that's good, that's romantasy. I also, other books that I recommend that are non-Pilates, Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It, obviously said Tiny Habits, The Big Leap you're never getting out of that one that was a must read every year. And I, I think we have some authors who had some books come out. Wendy Valentine had a book come out, The Midlife something. And Dr. Celeste had her book come out on like, Missionary Position. So I would say, like, if I've had an author on the pod with a book, I've probably read their book. Or if their book's not out yet, I read it afterwards. And I love those people so much, of course, I'm gonna love their book. But I also recommend, if you're always reading business books, you got to get into the romantic, fantasy. Romantasy. Brad Crowell 14:00  Romantasy. Lesley Logan 14:01  You do you got to get lost in something. Life is too serious. So anyways, those are my non-Pilates books that I can recommend to you right now. Brad Crowell 14:09  Okay, I have gotten into a new author recently. His name is Edward W Robertson. Lesley Logan 14:16  Why does he need a W? His last name is so long. Brad Crowell 14:21  He has written 73 books. Lesley Logan 14:23  There's 73 books in the series? Brad Crowell 14:25  There are, no, he's written multiple series about different things, but I have read 14 books of his so far. Oh, there's a whole nother one. No, I've read 17 books of his. So I've read the Cycles. He's got three Cycles, Cycles of Galland, Arawn and Scour, and basically they are perfectly in line with the other books I've talked about over the years on this pod. They are definitely a fantasy. Lesley Logan 14:48  Like Wheel of Time. Brad Crowell 14:50  Right. That's Robert Jordan, and there's another author I'm a big fan of, Michael, Michael J, What's his last name? Sullivan. Michael J. Sullivan. But this is Edward W Robertson. And what I what I really enjoyed about this was he's also created his own, you know, dynamic duo of these, you know, unlikely heroes, their kids in the in this, they start off in their late teens, and they, you know, end up becoming major players on the world stage over the, you know, length of these 10 books in the one series. The one cycle series is kind of the precursor to it. Another one is a double precursor to it. So he started off. Lesley Logan 15:27  I'm going to tell you, you overwhelm people when you said 14 books (inaudible). Brad Crowell 15:31  Sorry, just listen to them. It doesn't matter. There, it's not even about that. It's not about finishing them. There's just something really enjoyable about them. I think, I think it went through them in like, six or eight months, because they're, they're shorter than the the Wheel of Time stuff, you know? Lesley Logan 15:46  Well, there you go. And so there are your books. You guys get lost in a book, I promise you. It's it makes. Brad Crowell 15:51  You're gonna love it. Lesley Logan 15:52  It's so much more fun. You like different person on the other side. Okay. And also, if you don't want to spend money on it, go to your public library and get a library card. You can actually get audio books and iPad books through your local library. Okay?Brad Crowell 16:07  Yes, you can. If you have any questions for us, you should text them to us. Text them at 310-905-5534, or you can send them in through beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions or you can leave a win or a question and who knows they might end up on the pod.Lesley Logan 16:23  We need some wins.I want to share them on the pod. Okay, let's talk about Brad Bizjack.Brad Crowell 16:29  Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Brad Bizjack, and we're going to be reinvigorated by his enthusiasm for life. The guy is just amazing. So can't wait. Stick around. Brad Crowell 16:42  Welcome back. Let's talk about Brad Bizjack. Brad is a personal development expert and coach who helps people rewire limiting beliefs, toxic thought patterns and emotional blocks that have been holding them back from success and the fulfillment that they deserve. After starting his career buried in $92,000 worth of debt and struggling for years to get his business off the ground, Brad discovered the power of shifting identity and mindset. Today, he has built a multimillion dollar business served over 70,000 people worldwide, and teaches others how to break free from perfectionism, procrastination and fear so they can step fully into their potential. And I gotta say, there's nothing more be it than the things that he's teaching. It's amazing when you dig in. And Lesley and I have been we've gone through two of his programs. Lesley Logan 17:32  Yeah, he's got a program starting next week, so.Brad Crowell 17:34  Yeah, literally next week. And it's free. Lesley Logan 17:37  It's free. Brad Crowell 17:37  Yeah, you should totally do his free program. Lesley Logan 17:39  Five days. Brad Crowell 17:40  We started there.Lesley Logan 17:41  And also it's like, it happens in the morning for us. So obviously, in the you know, if you're not in Pacific, it's not early morning, it's gonna be some other time. But it was really nice to start in the morning. We go for a dog walk, and just be like, lit up on this dog walk. And you're like, yeah, I'm ready. And I, anything you say, like, oh, I can't do I don't know, or I got this, I can't do it. I'm stuck. I won't know how to do it. Well, he really kind of, like, breaks down, like, some of these stories we tell ourselves, and one of the things he says is, like, when you know what you want and why you want it, the how reveals itself. When you know what you want and why you want it, the how reveals itself. And. Brad Crowell 18:18  Yeah, because it, because, I think that's. Lesley Logan 18:20  I think most people don't know why. Brad Crowell 18:22  Yeah, but I think the easiest thing for people to get stuck on is, how am I going to do that? I might as well not even try.Lesley Logan 18:28  Right. Because, but also, I think they, they know one of the two, but not both, like they know why they want to do something, or they know what they want to do, but they don't know both and their why is so superficial? Well, because I want to make money. And it's like, okay, well, why do you want to make money? Like, you gotta, like, why do you want to do it? Like, I told the story in the U.K. about, like, why I love to teach Pilates, you know? Like, what my mission is. Why is my mission this? And then Linda was like, can you repeat that? And it was like, really cute. It was a long story, but the whole thing is, like, I'm so passionate about what that is. It makes it the h does reveal itself, because opportunities come up or like, people say, say something, and you're like, wait a minute, that is an entirely different industry. But I could do it like the how reveals our tours happen because we knew what we wanted to do. We knew why we wanted to do it. And then this person over here is like, I want to go on a book tour. I'm like, how can we go on a book tour? Right? So, like, I really, really love that. And then we talked about, like, he believes we get so caught up in seeking the how, but struggle to take action. And so it's just procrastination in disguise. And then he said this occurs because of overvaluing certainty. And man.Brad Crowell 19:41  This is like, this was like a mic drop, you know, the overvaluing of certainty. You know what that is, that's actually like, we think that having certainty is going to help us move forward, but when we, before, we get to the place where we feel certain, we get stuck.Lesley Logan 20:02  Or we, he said, like, we take little actions because we're very certain we can do those little things, but we don't take the big actions because we don't know what's going to happen with those. We don't know how that's going to play out or what the outcome will be. So we're like, oh, I'm just going to keep checking the box, checked my email, responded to these people, post it on social, but we're not, no one's actually like, okay, I'm gonna do a class. I'm gonna do pilates and (inaudible) like, because, like, no one comes. Like, I need to make sure everyone's gonna be there. Everything is certain. And oh my god, when we study with him, we did this five day series that you can do next week. We did a couple years ago. And when he told me about certainty and perfectionism. I fucking was like, I felt so called out. I was like, oh my god, this is my problem. I was like, recovering perfectionist. But then I like, let certainty in there. And certainty is just perfectionism, guys. So anyways, I have I really love this man so much. And he said we base our worth on external success, leading to a feeling of burnout, or that nothing feels like enough. And I think this happens a lot. In fact, on an OPC call today, one of the girls who's going through a teacher training so that she feels like burnt out on Pilates, and, you know, she's doing this thing, and we were talking about how like, because when you're in a training program, there's a lot of corrections, like the teachers are correcting you a lot because they want you to know all the things. They don't want you going off thinking you're perfect at it. They want you to know how to do it. You know, you thinking you'd have all these cues. And really it's all this external success, like, okay, when I look like the 100 I have made it, versus this internalization of like the Pilates practice, like the focus in a teacher training is so external. What does the exercise look like? Can you do it well that you end up feeling burnt out and like nothing's ever enough, like you're not good enough to do this. And so I just this, just happened an hour before we hit the record on this. And I feel this so so much, because we're, like, waiting for someone to validate who we are and what we're doing, instead of ourselves, like an internal version of, like, what success is. I love this.Brad Crowell 22:11  So, just so that y'all know, we actually have an invitation for you to join Brad's program, the five day program for free, that's called the Success Accelerator, and it starts in just a few days.Lesley Logan 22:21  It's on the 20th, so it's, this is Thursday. It's gonna start on Monday.Brad Crowell 22:26  The link's in the show notes, but you can go to beitpod.com/success, and like I said, it's free. Lesley and I did this program, and it was really, really impactful for us.Lesley Logan 22:36  Well, what did you like that he said? Brad Crowell 22:38  Yeah. So, Brad said, I just, I love that you had to clarify Brad husband versus Brad Bizjack on the call, I was laughing. Lesley Logan 22:49  I know, because I think I told a story, and I was like, my Brad husband. Brad Crowell 22:52  Yeah, yeah. Brad said, hey, change does not take a long time to do. It actually happens in an instant when you have the leverage to create that change, for example, people in painful relationships who know they should take different action, but they don't, until something happens and all of a sudden the lever is actually pulled, right? That leverage comes from changing at a higher, more fundamental level than just behaviors or capabilities, you can you can say when you have to change, when you are forced to change, right? And I think it's interesting, that's actually where lasting change comes above the line of lasting change. I don't know why. Like, I don't basically.Lesley Logan 23:39  Oh, it's because, like, people often, like, change, and they do a little thing and they go back. They like as, like, if there's a line, and, like, you got to cross the line, and people think, oh, it's gonna take forever to make this change. Like, it's gonna take forever to create a habit. And so they think it's gonna take forever to create a habit, and they do it for two days, and they end up on the other side of not having the habit. And then they have a couple days of habit, and it's actually like no, if you know who you what you want, why you want it, and you make the decision to change, you can actually change it, because it's an emotional thing in your brain that does this.Brad Crowell 24:10  Yeah, I, I've personally experienced this kind of requirement for change. This must change or bad things will happen when it came to smoking cigarettes, and everyone talks about how addicting, you know nicotine is, and they're not wrong, because unless you absolutely have to change, you probably won't, because it is addicting and it will pull you back in but I was singing and I was in a band, and I was smoking cigarettes, and I remember being on stage coughing into the mic because I couldn't sing my own songs that I had written. And it became immediately clear that day I have to choose, do I want to keep smoking, or do I want to keep singing? And that was, like, so easy to decide, because I was like, well, I love singing. I love being in a band. So therefore, goodbye smoking, you're gone, and that was it. That was like, the moment of, I must, I made it above the line of lasting change, and, and, and also, too, you know, sure, did I still have these moments of like, you know, like, like, habit of like, when I used to, you know, where I would be smoking on the card, right into the opposite, whatever, you know where it was. It was just a regular, consistent thing, and I was missing that, yes, but because it was like an easy thing to know I I actually want to sing. I want to sing more than I want to smoke in those moments of trial, it was still easy for me to fall back on the decision I had made, because it was an emotional decision. I was terrified of the idea that I wouldn't be able to perform, you know. So, you know, there, there is like this moment of have to do that will bring about that change, you know. So yeah.Lesley Logan 25:52  And I think that goes back to like you knew what you wanted and why you wanted it, and that made it, the how easier.Brad Crowell 25:57  I knew what and I knew why and then so the how involved not smoking, and that is what made it easy to do, yeah, that's a great, great callback there. I love that. So yeah, we love a callback. Yeah, that was impactful for me. And these are the kinds of things that Brad addresses, you know, on the five days. So, you know, definitely go check that out.Lesley Logan 26:18  I just think that like if you are, if you were lit up at all by his episode, why not? It's free. There's no replays like, why wouldn't even if you watch one day of his stuff, next week, you're going to learn something about yourself that's going to change your life. I still think about like the things that we learned in those five days, even if we didn't pay for the program, like, I still like, like, I was forced to, like, level up in a way, like I was, like, it was great. Brad Crowell 26:48  Yeah, yeah, the Success Accelerator. And then we went on to do another program of his called Rewired After, but the Success Accelerator was absolutely worth it, and yeah.Lesley Logan 26:59  Especially if you just, like, are going if you just have a hard time not talking yourself down, you need someone in your ear who talks you up. You just do. Anyways, we got to get into the Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 27:09  Yeah, okay, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into these epic Be It Action Items from Brad Bizjack, we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 27:16  All right, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Brad Bizjack, I'm going to jump in first here. He said he shared three primary ways to shift any belief pattern, and these are the things where I was talking about the have to do. So it was really interesting. He said you can introduce the idea of doubt, you can introduce pain, or you can introduce vision, right? And I think that vision is probably the easiest to talk about, right? That's the one that we. Lesley Logan 27:48  It feels more positive. Brad Crowell 27:49  It does feel more positive, you know. But doubt is something that will challenge a worldview, right? You know, when you have doubt, or when doubt is introduced, it really does start to make you analytical, analyze the thing that you might be doubting. You know, whether that is the way you were raised, or we've always done it this way, or this is the quote-unquote, right way to do it, or the right thing to do. You know, maybe there are other things that you know that that cause doubt. He suggested looking for evidence that challenges those beliefs. For example, if you think money is super hard to make, you can ask yourself the question, but is is that true for everyone? Some people have the the golden touch, as it were, right? We've all heard that, that expression, well, if money isn't hard to make for them, why? How come it's easy for them, but difficult for me, quote-unquote, difficult for me, right? Maybe that's the story I'm telling myself. Right? So how do we change that belief since we have evidence that it's that other people have been able to do it. So that's an interesting idea of introducing the concept of doubt. Two, pain. He said if you can see the consequences of what happens if you don't change and actually live those consequences in your mind, you will start to change. This was my lived experience. Pain, right? I did not want the pain of not being able to perform, not being able to sing, and I could see a life that I did not want if I kept going down the path that I was going out when it came to cigarettes, right? He used the Christmas carol story as an example for this. Scrooge didn't want to make unbearable pain. Didn't want to make change until unbearable pain was linked to staying the same, right? That's the Christmas story. Vision, finally, explain that the your beliefs shift when we create a vision that is vivid enough to excite us into new action, right? So, so like this is where a dream board can come into play, or, you know, vision casting, or you know, reflection, or taking a moment of to yourself, to, you know, to dwell on what the future could look like for you. You know that that can be motivating enough to create lasting change, to put you above that line of change. He said when we can be compelled by a beautiful vision of the future, it gives us a reason to overcome procrastination, or whatever it is that's holding us back, right? So I love that. I thought that was actually, I mean, these are the kinds of things that he just blows by, and why we wanted to talk about him again, because I listened to it, and I was like, whoa. That was, that was a lot right there. That was probably like, you know, he probably studied for like, six to 12 months to be able to concisely say that in two sentences and three sentences, and you were like, there's so much in there, we kind of have to break this down. This when you're when you listen back to the pod, there's so many snippets like that where you're like, whoa, that was profound. Whoa, that was deep. Whoa, that was really worth listening to twice. What about you, though? What was one of your biggest takeaways?Lesley Logan 30:40  So you have to be compelled by a beautiful vision of the future. You really do have to take that's why I like to do our retreats. I like to do some breath work, and like actually think about a year from now. But you need a beautiful vision of the future, because that's so compelling. And he also said, you otherwise will default to focusing on the past and the present. And people do this a lot.Brad Crowell 31:00  Sure.Lesley Logan 31:01  And it's why you're not actually seeing change, because the past and the present don't like that's that's done, and if you keep repeating it, you just get to keep repeating them. But it often becomes more painful because you didn't like, you liked part of it, or we didn't like it at all, and like now here you're feeling a little stuck. He also his bold advice is to have unreasonable dreams, unreasonable, unreasonable, and I do. It's really hard for my brain to do unreasonable dreams. It's extremely hard. But also, like it does force you to think about how you're going to achieve that in a different way, because it's so easy to go back to we talked about that itty bitty stuff, and like thinking it's gonna make a big difference, when really it's just keeping you the same. You kind of have to have an unreasonable dream, because it helps you take bigger action. And then he said taking full responsibility for making that happen. And that, taking full responsibility for making that happen. Lesley Logan 31:54  Wait, say that one more time. Lesley Logan 31:56  Taking full responsibility for making that happen. Whenever I do my schedule workshop or my habits workshop, the amount of people that are responsible for the reason why someone can't go for a walk in the morning. Brad Crowell 32:09  Oh, you mean the amount of excuses slash other people are the problem. Lesley Logan 32:14  Other people are. Brad Crowell 32:14  Not, not the person who's. Lesley Logan 32:16  Yeah, not the person who like has allowed people to take advantage of them, or they've been doing too much for other people, or they simply just didn't have, like, the vision in place to take the it's okay, it's okay to have gone like, oh, my god, I never realized I wanted to do that. And I have been making time for that, like, it's okay. You didn't. You know when you know better, you do better. So now you just got to take full responsibility for making that happen.Brad Crowell 32:39  Yeah, I love that I love the this is, this is step three, or the third, you know, way to create change, you know, with the vision casting, you know. And I think it's scary to dream big in that way, to have an unreasonable dream, it can be really scary because, you know, you I, I, this is part of my story on our business why we you know. When you don't, when you don't dream big, what you're actually doing is you're, you're giving yourself an out to fail and be satisfied with the results of the fail, and that's where I think the problem is. I think it's important to fail. You must fail, right. But we associate failure with mediocrity and pain, right? Instead of learning knowledge and a step further along the path towards success. When we associate failure with pain and mediocrity. It's easier not to have a vision for the future, because then you can't experience that quote-unquote, pain, right? And I know I did this because I would leave myself an out and say things like, it'll be nice if that ever happened for us, you know. But, but the but then it's like, you know, I would love for that to happen for us, but there's an inherent comma. But if it doesn't, I guess it's okay. I guess it was meant to be that this, it wasn't in the cards, whatever, whatever it is the, you know, the phrase that we want to insert there. And the reality is, it's not until you go, but even when, even if it doesn't happen tomorrow, or if it doesn't, you know, the failure will that will happen along this path I'm going to consider, I'm going to persist until I get to that place, you know.Lesley Logan 34:31  Yeah, well, I here's the thing. I think a lot of people weren't given the opportunity to fail. That's not the world that most of us went to school under. You had to pass, and if you didn't pass, you were, like, it was not okay. So like, I think if you are having a hard time being having an unreasonable goal or failing, then you must go to beitpod.com/success because you are going to hear that even Brad hasn't hit a single goal in six months or six years, I think, six years, six years, he hasn't had a single goal, maybe it's eight now at this point, since we met like and it's not because he hasn't tried hard or had great success. It's because he sets unreasonable goals for himself to make himself work harder than last time, and then they like reflect upon what they like, why they maybe didn't hit those goals, but like what they did do. And it's just really, really cool. So beitpod.com/success. Go take it. Go relisten to the episode. Get fired up. Let us know if you sign up for this program. Brad Crowell 35:27  Yeah. We want to know. We want to know. Lesley Logan 35:28  We'll probably even see you there. Brad Crowell 35:29  Yeah, I think we're gonna do it, too. Lesley Logan 35:30  Yeah. I love the classes. 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Lesley Logan welcomes mindset coach Brad Bizjack for a conversation that digs deep into why so many high-achievers get stuck in surface-level strategies. Brad shares his journey from being buried in six-figure debt to building a multi-million-dollar business, and reveals the missing ingredient most people ignore when trying to change: identity. If you've been hustling without the results to show for it, this episode will challenge the way you think about success and who you believe yourself to be.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why over-studying and perfectionism often mask procrastination.How overvaluing certainty leads to playing small and staying stuck.The “line of lasting change” and why identity shapes your results.How doubt, pain, and vision are the three ways to shift limiting beliefs.Why your peer group and environment influence your habits and outcomes.Episode References/Links:Brad Bizjack's Website - https://www.bradbizjack.comBrad Bizjack's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/BradBizjackCoachingBrad Bizjack's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bradbizjackBrad Bizjack's Program: The Success Accelerator - https://beitpod.com/successTiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/hkmaWEOTim Robbins Events - https://www.tonyrobbins.comGuest Bio:Brad Bizjack is a personal development expert and a master mindset strategist. As a multi-7-figure CEO of a transformative coaching business, Brad boasts over a decade of experience in igniting human potential. His mission is clear and compelling: to awaken individuals to their boundless possibilities and empower them to create the extraordinary success and freedom they truly deserve. Having touched the lives of over 60,000 individuals across more than 40 countries, Brad is renowned for his ability to shatter mediocrity and inspire profound, lasting change. He excels in uncovering and dismantling the limiting beliefs and toxic thought patterns that lurk in the shadows of the mind, unlocking the doors to unprecedented achievement and fulfillment. Beyond his professional accolades, Brad is a devoted husband to his college sweetheart, Janiece, and a father to their 4 year old daughter Lily and dog Oliver. 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Very first call with that coach changed my life fundamentally forever. I was telling her, I'm doing all the podcasts, listening to the books, reading the books, I'm doing all the things. Why isn't it happening for me? I want this to work so bad. And she said, very calmly, Brad, you are so attached to success that you're missing the whole point. You're under the impression that you shouldn't be where you are right now. Business, success and money, it's never going to make you happy. It's rewiring your mind for happiness that'll make you successful. Lesley Logan 0:39  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:17  All right, babes, I'm keeping this quick because our guest day is gonna blow your mind. Get your notebooks out, get your pens out. Get ready to hit rewind. If you're driving in your car, make sure Siri listens to you so you can rewind whenever you need to because this episode is an episode I've wanted to have for over a year. For over a year I've wanted to have this episode. So, Brad Bizjack is our guest today, and we're gonna talk about perfectionism, certainty, achieve, being an achiever. And literally, how do you actually change your life? How do you actually be it till you see it? So stay tuned all the way to the end. You don't wanna miss it. Here's Brad Bizjack. Lesley Logan 1:52  All right, Be It babe. Get ready. Just get ready. I already know it's gonna be amazing. I'm so excited. I wanted this person on the pod, since I heard him on my old coach's pod. Here's the deal. I remember seeing this guy's name on my feed in several podcasts, okay? And I was like, okay, someone's doing a launch, that's fine. And then I saw him on my old coach's pod, and I was like, you know, I haven't listened to her pod for a while. I'm gonna listen to this guy so I'm walking through the streets of Cambodia right before we're out to have a retreat. And I listened to this thing, and I was like, oh my god I didn't realize I'm stuck. I'm, this is the feeling I'm having. I'm feeling stuck. So I'm gonna sign up for this. So I told Brad, my husband, Brad, I said, babe, I signed us up for a launch. I think I want to be launched at it's been a while, so let's do it. Let's just like, let's just go through someone's thing. Let's just get taught. Let's get our cup filled, and then we'll just see what kind of emails come through. Because of the timing, my husband actually was on Hong Kong time, meaning when we got back from Cambodia, he was up every day at 5am and your calls were at like, 6am our time, something early. Brad would never, ever he would have to watch replays. We dog walked every morning listening to you. And of course, the day that you're like, okay, I'm running this program. We're like, okay, we're the first to sign up. Like, we're already in, and we stuck with it for, like, whatever, six months, a year. It was amazing. So Brad Bizjack is our guest today, and the and the reason I wanted to have him on is because of what you're gonna hear right now. Brad, what do you rock at? Who are you? Tell us everything about you.Brad Bizjack 3:18  First of all, that was, like, the best way of getting into our each other's worlds I've ever heard like, what a crazy story. So grateful for the opportunity to be here. I help people rewire the limiting beliefs, toxic thought patterns, limiting emotional patterns that are getting in the way of the success, freedom and fulfillment they really deserve that they don't really go know are going on behind the scenes. So we help people identify that and shift that. Lesley Logan 3:41  I mean, I think that's there's so many people who need that. Like, that's.Brad Bizjack 3:45  Like everybody. Lesley Logan 3:45  Like everybody, most people don't know they need it. And the ones that do kind of get overwhelmed with, like, all of the things, like, they get involved in that perfectionism. Like, I gotta check this box. I gotta do this thing, and if I just read this one more book, then, then I will be fixed, right? Brad Bizjack 4:01  100% I think people will use over-studying as like procrastination in disguise and not even realize they're doing it just because they're overvaluing certainty. And we can go more into that if you want, but yeah, that's a very, very common thing we see. Lesley Logan 4:15  You are correct. I actually looked up like signs of imposter syndrome, right? And or the like, types of imposter syndrome, because, like, there's imposter syndrome, which is, like, you're new at something, so you are going to feel that way because you're new at something, and that's great. But also, then there's like, the imposter syndrome when you're, like, actually qualified to do things, but you're you're feeling like an imposter. And so I was teaching on this, and so I did some research, and one of the signs that you are causing that is that perfectionism. If I just get one more certificate, if I learn one more thing, if I study this, and I'm a Pilates instructor who teaches Pilates instructors, and they'll go, I can't take your business class, because, actually, I needed to study this Wunda Chair. And I'm like, no one even knows what a Wunda Chair is, like until they know what Pilates is, like, no one cares. You need to know how to run a business that doesn't burn you out. Like, but you but people will overwhelm themselves. So can we talk about that perfectionism, certainty, like, what it what is, what are the signs that people are doing these things? Because I think sometimes they don't even see it in themselves. Brad Bizjack 5:13  Yeah, I think, you know, when we talk about rewiring limiting beliefs and toxic thoughts, like you said, I don't think people know they're doing it. But if anyone's ever been in a situation where they know they want their life to change and they just can't get themselves to take action, or there's a limiting behavior they participate in and they don't know why they do it, even though it's not serving them, or they know exactly what to do and they're procrastinating consistently. Or they're in a spot where they just can't get themselves to move and they see their laptop staring at them, begging them to change their life, and even though they care so much, they just don't care in the moment. And there's this piece of you that says, I know I'm meant for so much more than what I'm getting right now, but for some reason, I can't get myself to move or take action. Any of those are some of the most common symptoms that I see. But there's also one on the flip side, and that's calling out all the achievers in the room, the people that have taken the action or forced themselves through willpower to get moving. Those people end up basing their worth on more, more success, more money. And so it feels like their worth is a moving target. So they'll bounce from goal to goal, peak to peak, to do list, to to do list. Nothing feels like enough, and everything they do just feels like they're battling burnout. So if you're in a spot where you either are constantly seeking the how, which is basically exactly what we were just talking about, glorified procrastination, and let me actually backtrack on this a little bit, because I think it's really important, we need to know the how, just not right away, right? You can't head east looking for the sunset, right? It doesn't work that way. And so when you know what you want and why you want it, the how reveals itself, but when you get so caught up in seeking the how, because of living in this fear of not being certain, then you end up just tiptoeing around the edges of your dream, playing not to lose instead of playing to win. So any action you do take is you mistaking movement for achievement, and you'll take little, itty bitty actions instead of the ones that will actually yield results. And so you feel like you're spending all day on this dream, but you're not getting anywhere. And the main reason is because you are overvaluing certainty at a very high level, which is really what perfectionism is. It just means that you are afraid of what happens if you're not totally certain, and that somehow it's going to mean that you're unworthy. If you think about the human brain, its job is not to make you happy, its job is to make sure you survive. And you see people all the time saying, well, I self-sabotage. I get in my own way. Well, it's physically impossible to self-sabotage. Think about it. Your brain is a survivalist. Its job is to keep you alive. So why would it ever cause you harm? What's actually happening is you're just meeting a need, and the survival-based need that's embedded into all of our DNA is the need for certainty. And when you overvalue certainty. What actually happens is like, think about it, millions of years ago, you weren't worried about building your Pilates business or whatever it is. You were worried about the saber tooth tiger that was hiding in the bushes that was going to eat your baby, right? You you didn't have the these you weren't worried about success and fulfillment. You were worried about staying alive. Well, we don't have the same threats, but we do have the same mind. And so we link up putting ourselves out there on social or starting a podcast or sending an email or prospecting whatever, or starting a new fitness regimen. We we link it up as a survival-based threat when it's not, it's just misplaced. And so that's what a lot of people do. And I see people over-study all day long, and they use personal development as a way to escape developing personally, and it just gets in their own way.Lesley Logan 8:51  Oh my God. Everyone hit rewind. That was the most amazing, that is the most amazing thing I've heard. And I also think, like, what a great clip. And like, we can it's a great question to ask yourself, like, am I, am I doing this to escape, you know, am I? Am I? Am I working on this thing one more time? Tweak to to busy ourselves from what it actually is, which is the change we have to make. And change is really difficult. It, I don't, I don't, I actually want to say, I don't know that change is actually that difficult. Because, from what I understand about studying habits and mindset, right? So during the pandemic, I was like, I need to figure out why like, some people make a habit and some people don't like what's going on here. And also, I had a great yoga teacher who was like, that, we always wanna make things that are right or wrong, bad or good. And he's like, actually, that's not how the world works, like because if it's serving you like it could be bad for one person, but not for you, right? So I was like, okay, and I started with BJ Fogg, and he said there's no such thing as a bad habit. Every single thing we do is serving our mind. Our mind actually, truly lives off of what makes us feel good. And, so if you're like, but I hate scrolling, it's a bad habit, right? But you, when you scroll, something is happening in your mind that is giving you relief, excitement, joy, or it could even just be like, like, you can just like, exhale, right? So your brain isn't doesn't know bad or good. It knows shame and judgment doesn't make me feel good, and these things make me feel good, and so we actually create habits instantly based on emotions. So that's why I think that change isn't hard if we know how our brain works. Brad Bizjack 10:31  100%. If you think about change, change does not take a long time to do. It actually happens in an instant when you actually have the leverage to create change, right? Like so many people have had a time in their lives when they've dealt with a really painful situation, like a tough relationship, or, let's say, let's say that they weren't exercising or eating well, or so anything like that, and they've known that they should take a different action, but they haven't gotten themselves to do it until one day when something happens, and all of a sudden, some lever is pulled, and all of a sudden it's easy and it's not hard anymore. It's because in the moment, you started shifting the beliefs and the emotions that were going on behind the scenes to create leverage to actually move, and there's actually a reason why this happens. And I'm happy to dive into how behavior change actually works in people. If you want me to dive deep into that, I can. But if we think so, let's say most people, most people, if you imagine like a big triangle with different like levels in this triangle, at the very base of this triangle is your 3D environment or your results. This is really how life is. Now, most people don't recognize that all of life is cause and effect, everything. And if you obsess over the effect, you forget the cause. And if you don't focus on the cause, you can no longer influence the effect. Well, most people think that their life circumstances are the cause of how they feel, how they live, everything. They think, I don't have this money, therefore I can't be happy. I can't take different action. I can't grow a big business. I don't have a big business, therefore I can't ask people to join my business, right? It's, it's backwards thinking. It's once I have a different life, then I can take a different action. So what most people end up doing is they sit around complaining about their circumstances. And the challenge with complaining is you only complain about things that you could change. You're just too afraid to, right? So you don't complain about gravity. You complain about money. Well, money is something you can make right now if you want to, you can attract it anytime you want to. So it starts at the bottom of this pyramid with your 3D environment and your results. Now most people, they think that if they focus on what's not happening in their life, somehow magically, it's going to change, and it doesn't. If I could give one calling to everybody here, it's the fact that you are 100% responsible for every single part of your life, even the parts that are not your fault. Now before you want to punch me in the face, let me explain, right? I don't mean that that thing that happened in your life is your fault. You are not to blame. Blame focuses on the past and what went wrong. Responsibility means the ability to respond. This is how I'm going to perceive it, move about it, go forward in the future. And that's everyone's responsibility, regardless of what happened in your life. So once you start taking responsibility for your life, you start trying to impact the cause of a different 3D environment of results, and you step up one level in that pyramid to behaviors and habits. And most people, they try to form a habit. It takes 21 days to form a habit. You see all this stuff, well, how many people listening have ever done really, really good for about two or three weeks, and then all of a sudden they fall off? There's a reason why. Because when you try to change at a behavior level, meaning, take a different action, which isn't a bad thing. It's not bad if you want to, let's say, lose weight or gain weight, or whatever your goals are, if you take a different action, it will yield a different result when done consistently over time. The problem is that when you try to change at a behavior level, you have to negotiate with the mind. You automatically question if you are capable of making it happen. So it feels like this constant fight, and you have to rely on willpower. Willpower is push motivation, right, and we all use willpower sometimes. Nothing wrong with willpower. But if you rely on it, it leads to one thing, and that is burnout. We need to get to a place of pull, where hard work isn't hard work, where you just move. So when you are changing, from a behavior perspective, you're wanting to know, am I doing it right? You're seeking the strategy first, the how, right, and when you crave the how over crave the how, you likely don't actually take the actions that will yield the results. So what influences our behaviors and habits? Go one level higher, and that is your capability. And most people don't recognize what's influencing their capability are three things. Number one is what you consume. If you consume social media gossip on a daily basis, that's not really going to help your sales habit, right? If you can consume news media, that's not going to really help with practicing gratitude, right? It's going to hurt it. So number one is what you consume, because whatever goes in your eyes and ears comes out your mouth, and it leads to the second thing, which is skills. You, let's say that you're still that you're trying to grow a business, and the habit you're trying to deploy is consistent sales or prospecting or marketing? Well, you need to study sales and marketing. The skills of those things are required to change the habits and therefore change the environment. And so we need different skills. If your skills that you're studying is okay, I just want to learn how to bake cakes, but your goal is to grow a business, well, it's mismatched, right? But the third thing that's most powerful, is, that it influences your capability, is your peer group. Your life is a direct reflection of the expectations of the people you surround yourself with. And we can have a whole freaking podcast episode on this alone. It's so important. So these three levels are temporary behavior change. Anything at the skill at the capability level, behavior level and 3D environment level, it doesn't seem to last. And if it ever does, it's because we're changing at a higher level than that. And so it's not bad to change these things. Your capability does influence your behaviors and habits, and that does influence your environment, but it never, most people never decide to change above the line of lasting change, which is what influences all of this. Before I go into that, you seem like you have thoughts, my friend.Lesley Logan 16:53  Well, I just, I do, because you just said, like, most people don't go above the line of lasting change. And I think, like, that intrigues me, because it's like, are we saying that like, they'll do enough, they start to get going, and then they, like, revert back, or they just kind of stay at this place that's like, good enough. Like, tell me what the line of lasting change is.Brad Bizjack 17:14  Well, the strongest force in the human personality is the need to stay consistent with who you already think you are. Lesley Logan 17:20  Oh, yes. Brad Bizjack 17:21  And so if you believe or identify as a failure or think that money is hard to make, you can try all day long to change, but you're gonna go back. You're gonna find a way, because life will, whatever you believe, will determine the level of potential you tap into. That determines the actions you do or don't take and how well you do them. That determines your results, and it literally reinforces what you believe. That's why, right above this line of lasting change, if you actually want to make change, it's your beliefs and values that's that's the next step, that's what actually influences lasting change. So you mentioned, do people go back? They'll go back to what they believe, what they value, and how they identify always, they'll find a way. And so before I explain that, does that make sense so far? Lesley Logan 18:07  Yeah, that does. And I think, like, where I, where I, like, my brain is like, okay, so I also know that the brain is like, dissonance. So if, if, if I, if I think I'm a failure, but I just have to walk around going, I'm not a failure. I'm not a failure. Like, I don't know, like, I don't know that that is like, the answer, right? Like, so how do I go from like, seeing myself and believing that I'm a failure and then actually truly seeing myself in value that I'm not a failure?Brad Bizjack 18:35  Yeah, there's three ways to shift any belief pattern. Number one is doubt, right? If you introduce doubt to this and so that is real life examples, right? If, let's use the example of money is hard to make, right? That's a belief that a lot of people have. Well, if that is the belief, what evidence do you currently have supporting that? Because you're likely overly focusing on it. If you introduce doubt to that belief and say, well, not hard for John. It's not hard for Lesley, like and you surround yourself with evidence. Is that actually true? Or is that something that I was just told growing up? Rich people are greedy. Is that actually true or if I take a look around at all the people that I know that have money, they're the ones giving the most to charities, right? So it's evidence that shows that that belief is false. But the challenge with this is changing at a logical level is very, very hard, right? If most people don't recognize that, it's next to impossible to logic and reason your way out of anxiety. It just makes the anxiety worse. It's because it's, at a nervous system level, it responds, your body responds way faster than thoughts ever will. So we need to change our beliefs in other ways, and that is pain. We talked earlier about how people like how change is not really that hard once you have leverage, if you can see the consequences of what happens if you don't change, a nd actually live those consequences in your mind, you will start to change. I was at a Tony Robbins event years ago, and he shared something that really made an impact on how I viewed behavior change. And he used the example of a Christmas carol, Ebenezer Scrooge, right? And how he's a total butt head, super mean to all these people, because he thinks that that's why he's successful. It's not why he's successful. It's not why he's successful. He's brilliant, he works hard, all these things. And his life was going pretty bad, and he just kept on going until three until one night, three neuro associative conditioning specialists showed up at his house that goes to Christmas past, present and future, and they linked up unbearable pain to the way that he's lived up until now, the way that he's living and what his life will look like if he keeps living that way. And when you're boxing from the left, from the right and behind you, guess what you move. Most people value comfort and safety and certainty, so they don't want to give themselves a healthy dose of pain. They don't want to see the consequences of consistently doing it this way. And people are like, well, I know the consequence is going to hurt me. It's going to hurt my kids. Everyone has a leverage point, but sometimes that leverage point isn't your stereotypical oh, it's going to hurt my finances. Oh, it's going to hurt my kids. Your job is to find out what it is that you actually will have in your life that's going to cause you pain that you care about, that'll get you to move. That's the second way to create a change. The third is vision. Human beings are driven by their need to avoid pain and gain pleasure, right? What we just talked about is pain avoidance, and that's very strong, and typically the most strong, but we're also driven by pleasure, and when we can be compelled by a beautiful vision of the future, it gives us a reason to overcome this. So if we think about what identity is, the identity of I'm a failure, that is just a strongly held belief, right? So beliefs and values. Beliefs are just feelings of certainty. That's all it is. And a value is an emotional state you live in, and value feeling, right? So if we think about a belief as let's use the example of the sky is blue, most people think that. But what about during sunset? What about at night? What about sunrise? What about when it's raining? What about the scientific answer that it's not any color, right? It introduces doubt. So we have these beliefs based on evidence in our life, whether that is our upbringing, trauma, consistent results that reinforce this feeling of certainty, until we introduce uncertainty to that certainty. So it's so interesting, the thing that you're craving the most of, certainty, that's the very thing that's keeping you in the exact same spot, right? If we look at it from a values perspective, most people don't recognize they have values conflicts going on, right? Most people value success, but they equally value avoiding rejection, and so that's going to create conflict. And all of this rolls up into your identity, who you think you are. So those three things, shifting the identity through doubt, pain, and there's other ways too, and vision, shifting your beliefs and shifting your values that automatically influence your capabilities, automatically influences your behaviors and habits, cascades down right into different results. And we can do a real life example, or we can move on. But the whole point is, most people just fall back to where they are because they have a belief at a fundamental level, this is who I am, and your brain will always default to going back there. Lesley Logan 23:18  Yeah, I do want to do a real quick example, but I want to say, like, probably not a decade ago, but a long time ago, I was listening to a podcast, and I really, really so wish I could find this episode, but it was talking about how, scientifically, they can prove that your brain will tell your body exactly what you're thinking. So they actually took these people and they told them they were going to brand them. They put them in a room. They blindfolded them. They had the fire making the noise, they had the sizzling. They said, This is what the branding is going to look like. This is what it's going to be like. This is going to happen to you. Then they like, did the sizzle, then they touch them with a pen. And some people's arms developed a like a sore, a redness mark in the shape of the branding that they said they were not branded. No one was hurt doing this thing. But it's a scientific experiment, and they have also studied people who like, if you tell yourself, I'm I'm fat, and you're someone who is wanting to lose weight, that's a journey you want to go on. They have actually seen that those people do produce more fat, have bigger fat cells, all these different things, versus people who don't have a judgment about how they look. Their cells look quite different. Another study they did was a guy, a doctor, who wanted to know if I scrape a knee or if I drain a knee, which one of those things is actually helping these people's knee issues, right? So they had to take three groups. Had to take a group of people who needed this, but they did nothing to. They had to take a group of people that they just drained, and they had a group of people that they just like, scraped right. Every single person got put under, got the same music, was told what the surgery was going to be like, and then they waited to see what happened. And the people who had nothing to their knee, nothing, no draining, no scraping, they did two little pricks, put 'em under, play the surgical video while they're in anesthesia, they had the same results as people who had anything done. And so is this point that, like, our brains are so powerful, they literally tell us things. And so it's so important what we are telling ourselves that we have to know. So I just wanna, like, highlight everything you said, because it is really, is really important that we, we tell ourselves the things we actually want to hear we want our body to do. Yeah.Brad Bizjack 25:31  Well, you know what's interesting, too. Have you ever noticed that when a lot of people do affirmations, it doesn't really stick? Why? Have you ever thought why that is and it it's because they're not telling themselves powerfully. When you are about to have a surgery or something like that, and you tell and the brain genuinely thinks something is going to happen, it is just like you said, so incredibly powerful, so powerful because the belief is held so strongly that this is going to happen. That's how powerful your brain is. But what we typically do when someone pulls like an affirmation card, right, and it says, I am worthy, and your brain goes bullshit, right? Or I am abundant. Have you seen your bank account? It's because it's done through less conviction and certainty. It's done through the lens of basically being passive. And so if you think about all these scenarios, these scenarios are from a place of this is it's almost like this is fact, where a belief is being communicated with absolute conviction. And so to the degree in which you can be convicted in your statements about yourself, that's the degree that behavior change happens. And once you do your brain just it goes to war for who you think you are or what you think is going to happen. That's why, when someone is in a space where you identify them as a success story, the worst things in the world could be happening for them, and you know without a doubt, they'll be completely fine. They'll figure it out. Because you always default back to what you feel most convicted about.Lesley Logan 27:05  Yeah, real life, example, and, and if it's possible, I, we didn't do this. We didn't actually talk about, like, how you got to, how you got to be so amazing. (inaudible) Just in case, people think, oh my god, easy for you to say, Brad. Like, life must be so easy for you. Like, you know, like, I think some people again, the brain is like, okay, well, Lesley and Brad just have it together. Everything works out for them. Somebody, okay, really quick. So I have a bot that is trained up 10 million of my words. And someone asked it like, have you ever had to handle a setback? And my bot thankfully said, yeah, daily, yeah. So anyways, go ahead.Brad Bizjack 27:43  So I'll share kind of a little bit of backstory. I was, came out, out of college, $92,000 in debt, and at that stage in my life, I wanted more money. I wanted to be able to add avocado without having to worry about overdraft in my bank account, right? Like, that's what I really wanted. And I found online business, and I was like, this is going to change my financial circumstances. But really what I wanted at that stage in my life was to be the breaking point of mediocrity in my family history. I wanted something I could chase after, and so online business was my ticket. A lot of people have other vehicles. That was mine. There was just one problem. It didn't work. I spent seven years, eight years, never making more than $24,000 a year as a group fitness instructor trying to get a business off the ground. I also had a corporate job, and I'll share a little bit of backstory with that in just a moment, but I would try to get this thing off the ground, and it didn't, It didn't happen. And so my mentor told me, dude, you need a mindset coach. What you're doing clearly isn't working. And I was like, but I'm $92,000 in debt. There's no way that I can hire a coach. And she's like, I'm gonna tell you, man, if nothing changes, nothing changes. So I maxed out a credit card, went $98,000 in debt, hired a coach. Very first call with that coach changed my life, fundamentally, forever. I was telling her, I'm doing all the podcasts, listening to the books, reading the books, I'm doing all the things. Why isn't it happening for me? I want this to work so bad. And she said, very calmly, Brad, you are so attached to success that you're missing the whole point. You're under the impression that you shouldn't be where you are right now. Business success and money, it's never going to make you happy. It's rewiring your mind for happiness that'll make you successful. At that stage, I was resenting everything in my life. I was saying it was wrong in some way. I wasn't seeing life happening for me. So I bought a ticket to a conference to really work on shifting my beliefs. I didn't have this technology back then. I didn't understand all this stuff back then, I just knew I needed, I just knew I needed to change my mindset. That's all I labeled it as back then. And I remember buying the plane ticket, hotel, all that stuff in San Diego, and about a month before that event, I got fired from my job. Now I'm $98,000 in debt now. No income, no savings. But luckily, I had that plane ticket, and I fly across the country, land in San Diego, go to the grocery store, buy peanut butter and jelly, like I did 100 times a day at that point. And I overdrafted my bank account on peanut butter and jelly, and it was just this, this place of defeat, where I just felt like nothing was ever gonna change, and I walk into that conference tail between my legs, and the topic that day was all about how the human mind works, and shifting your belief systems and identities and values and all these things. And it changed everything. We went on to pay off that 100 grand in debt within a year, we retired my wife from corporate America, we built up a million, multimillion dollar per year business. We've served 70,000 people all over the world. And now we have a little girl, and I'm going to be the dad that I want to be for her, and be at every single every single dance recital, or baseball or whatever it is. And it was because of shifting above the line of lasting change. It was because I had the courage to look at those things that most people avoid. And that's my calling to everybody here. And so if we do a real world example of this pyramid, that's literally what I did. If we look at the left side like, imagine that, that pyramid, that triangle, one identity is, I'm a failure right? Well, cascade that down. What does a failure believe? Success will never happen. Money is hard to make. What does a failure value? They value security. They value safety, right? So what does that do to my capabilities? What am I going to study if I believe I'm a failure? The news, social media. Who am I going to surround myself with other people that identify as failures to prove these beliefs true. So what happens to my habits? I'll just go through my day. I'll grab a beer at the end of the day, sit in the couch feeling sorry for myself, watching Friends reruns. And so what happens to my environment? Same overdraft, same bank account issues. That was my life. When I shifted this, everything going on behind the scenes, and started identifying as, let's use the example of a successful entrepreneur, right, just as an example. Or let's just use I am successful, right? Well, what's a belief system that comes from someone that identifies as successful? Money flows to me, or, you know, business is service, things like that. What does a successful person value? They value success, freedom, love, contribution, awesome. So let's go down to capabilities. What skills am I studying? Persuasion, marketing, sales. Okay, what, what am I consuming? Positive, uplifting books and videos and things like that. I'm not spending my time on social media and all that stuff and wasting my brain away comparing to the to the world. Who am I surrounded by? People that have what I want. So then what cascades into behaviors and habits? I'm focusing on the most important activities, the marketing, the sales. I'm making, the offers I'm putting myself out there in the world. So what happens to my environment? Naturally make more money, naturally serve more people. It all, it all cascades. So the whole point of all of this is my life didn't change until I changed above the line of lasting change. And it's very easy to look at success stories or people that have some semblance of what you want in any capacity and see, okay, yeah, easy for you to say monster man, but it doesn't look at the years and years and years of struggle that it took for me to get to a point where change became a must, and, and that's so that's how everything kind of, kind of shook out. Lesley Logan 33:30  I, thank you for sharing that. And also, like, I'm sure everyone heard like, the be it till you see it in that like, in just like, okay, so if you are, you took the first triangle, like, I'm failure, I'm poor, whatever. You go through, like, that's where you were at. And then you take the triangle that you want to be, if I am a successful person. These are the skill sets. This is the mindset. These are people I'm hanging out with. That's be it till you see it, right. Like, that's truly like, why this podcast exists and, like, why I get so excited. Because as I hear you tell that story, I can think of the times, like, all, all the amazing times I had in my life that took me the next level. I did those things, right? Like there was a day, so I was homeless, and that really without address. I had couches to surf on. I had totaled my car leaving my ex's house. So that's fun. And the studio that I rented space for was closing, so now I have no place to teach my clients. I have one month to find a new place. I don't have a place I actually live. So that's a problem, because I need to live, I lived in L.A., so I need to live where I'm going to teach, right? And then I have no car. So I'm at Whole Foods, because, you know, when you, when you're living off credit cards, you go to Whole Foods for a salad, guys. And I'm, I'm at Whole Foods, and I get a phone call, and I don't I never answer my phone, but I answered my phone and it's like, hi, this is Los Angeles Magazine. Congratulations. You're the best Pilates instructor in Los Angeles. You're gonna be in the next issue one of I do this thing, and I'm like, sitting there and like, the clothes I've been in since the morning, because I have not made it to the gym yet where I can shower. And I'm like, wow, I, how did, I thought people paid for this, like, I thought, like, I didn't pay for this. Do you have the right phone number? They're like, nope. We went to your class and you were voted and, like, you got this. And I was like, oh, amazing. That's so amazing. I sat there, and I'm like, holy moly. Like, I'm homeless. I have no place to all these things are happening. And I remember going, okay, well, I am now the best Pilates instructor in Los Angeles. So where does she teach, and where does she live, and who did she take to this party? And I did all those things. My life changed. Changed dramatically. You guys, I ended up, like, literally, making friends with someone who ended up my husband. I, like, I had one of the best studios and Pilates businesses in Los Angeles. Everything, everything changed because, like, I sat there and I was like, okay, I can sit here and, like, wallow in my sweat and my overdraft. I definitely wasn't probably on overdraft, but I was using a credit card. But, like, but, like, I can sit here in that or I can go, someone just deemed me the best Pilates instructor. So if they think I am, like, what would that person do, and how does that person act? And it changed my whole life. And then it happened again in 2020, and, like, it just so I sit here and I listen to you, and I'm like, my goodness, like, we can do this whenever we need to, and then it like, you don't have to wait. We can actually make these changes. And I think it's really so fun to listen to you, because you just get so I'm sure everyone's saying, like, get so excited. Go, oh, this change is possible. Like, you make it all possible. And so I just thank you. What are you most excited about right now?Brad Bizjack 36:20  Oh, man, right now I am excited for delivering people the insights of daily motivation that they need. I'm developing this entirely new thing that's super, super exciting to help people just have consistent motivation in their lives every day for this exact concept that we're talking about. And also taking my daughter to Disney, which is gonna be freaking cool.Lesley Logan 36:38  Oh my God, that's gonna be, I think you'll have, you'll probably have more fun memories thank she, that is so cool. That is so cool. Oh my gosh. Okay, bro, I could talk to you forever, truly, truly. But we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out if people can, can, you know, stalk you in the best way and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 37:01  Alright, Brad, where do you hang out? Where can people work with you, if they want to do this with you, if they want more than 35 minutes to do in their ear, like, what can they do?Brad Bizjack 37:08  Yeah, absolutely. So, so in terms of just consistent places where I'm showing up, on the gram jam @BradBizjack, I had motivational tips there on an ongoing basis. But if you really want to take these concepts and make them real. This is actually really, really amazing timing, because starting next week, I have a five day challenge that literally does everything we're talking about and makes them real in your life. It's called the Success Accelerator. This program has helped over 70,000 people shift their beliefs and identities and values to help them become the very best version of themselves, the version that they really want to be. And so yeah, it starts next week. There's going to be a ton of people in there, if you want to see how high performers achieve their goals faster than all their peers, with less stress, if you want to see how do we take these principles and really bring them to life in real time, giving you real tactical things to do each day to really make this happen, come into the Success Accelerator Program, it's going to be really, really powerful. So those would be the two, two best ways.Lesley Logan 38:07  Awesome. Okay, so we'll put the link in the show notes. We'll also email to you guys, if you're on the podcast email list, Brad, my Brad and I did this. That's exactly the time at the beginning of the show. It was, it's absolutely wonderful. I'm telling you like I would do it again, just because I think it's so important to remind yourself, because there's always like, another thing you're like, oh, I didn't do that one. I didn't do that part. I got this part. So I think it's just so amazing what you do. And you guys, it is five, it is five days, but it's wonderful, and it's a great way to start your day. You're going to want to do it, and there's replays, so you can always watch it later if you have to work. Okay, you have given us a ton but, but we have to ask the question, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Brad Bizjack 38:47  Oh, my goodness, this is such a good one. This is probably one of the things that I'm most excited about right now. I have a very interesting take on big dreams and big goals. A lot of people will say things like, be realistic and stuff like that. I am actually completely different. My, the number one thing that I believe is you have to be compelled by a beautiful vision of the future. Otherwise, you would, you'll default to focusing on the past and present. So number one, by the way, is unreasonable dreams and goals. In my opinion, that's number one, and then taking full responsibility for making that happen. I think a lot of people hold themselves back from doing that. And if you start there, and we'll talk a lot about this in the challenge next week on how to do that successfully, that'll go a long way in actually making them possible.Lesley Logan 39:33  I love that. We haven't had anyone we've had a few people say those smart, tangible gold blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and that's really, if you do, I got actual habit like, that makes sense. But like, for a vision, no, no one gets out of bed for a reasonable like, you know, like, if shit hits the fan and you have a reasonable goal to work on, you're just gonna work on the shit that hit the fan and not, like, the reasonable goal. So I fucking love that. Brad, you are awesome. You guys, please let us know how you're gonna use these tips in your life. What your favorite takeaways are, if you sign up for the Success Accelerator, I wanna know. I promise you it will be five days well spent. I'm telling you from experience. And send this to a friend who needs to hear it. Because, as Brad said, like the people we hang around, they affect us, and so if you don't want to lose them, they need to hear this so that they can level up as well with you. So, Brad, thank you so much. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 40:29  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 41:11  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 41:16  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 41:20  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 41:27  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 41:31  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome Natties to episode 108 “Meggings“ We have returning guest the one and only Molly Stewart! Join us as we dive into woman's leggings and the new trend “meggings”, Sweet Derek's recent AZ trip, Molly's scary stalker story, we finally solve the egg texture debate, another hilarious Bad Impressions bit and so much more! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for hit subscribe!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!Go check out Mollys Podcast The Totally Wholesome Not Dirty PodcastSocialsMolly Stewart: @thisredheadissfwUncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

It's Fuck Yeah Friday, and Lesley is back with wins and wisdom to brighten your week. She shares a surprising story about how time was once measured, highlights an inspiring Pilates win from listener Lisa MacDonald, and reflects on her 10th wedding anniversary with Brad. Along the way, she reminds us that noticing even the smallest victories—like making it through a tough day—can transform how habits take root.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How ancient calendars connected women's cycles with timekeeping.The role of daily recognition in building lasting habits.Lisa MacDonald's Pilates win and how she reframed a setback.The significance of celebrating milestones like anniversaries.Why the mantra “I do not rise and fall for another” fosters self-trust.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsStella Porta's Instagram Post - https://beitpod.com/13month If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:48  Hello, Happy FYF. Happy Friday. Happy Fuck Yeah Friday, where we get some inspiration, we have a little bit of fun, we celebrate your wins and mine, and we leave with a little affirmation or mantra or just something to kick our weekend off. Thank you so much for being here. If you're new to the Be It Till You See It Podcast, we do interviews on Tuesday, recaps on Thursday, and this is my time to share a win of yours. You can send your wins into beitpod.com/questions as we can send your questions as well, but you can also send your wins. And I want them. I want more wins from you. Lesley Logan 1:15  So something that inspired me, or like sometimes I feel like it can be educational. So they erased the 13th month because it was ruled by women. So this is from Stella Porta on Instagram. And this is interesting because I definitely had done some research and learned how, like, we got the Roman calendar, which is, like, makes no sense, and we have winter starting the new year off in the middle of winter, which makes zero sense. We should start the middle. We should start the year off at Spring, right? I just think so. But okay, here we go. Before the church ruled time, women followed a different calendar, one based not on the sun, but on the moon. It had 13 months of 28 days, mirroring the menstrual cycle. This wasn't just myth. It was math, 13 times 28 equals 364. Plus one holy day equals 365, Brad just walked in and I just blew his mind. So by the way, the Instagram has sources. So if you're like, this is baloney. No, it's not. There's like little sources. This lunar calendar shaped everything. It had four sacred weeks per month, New Waxing, Full and Waning. Sabbaths were tied to moon phases and a full year, called a year and a day, a phrase still found in spells and folklore. I have seen that in some stuff, and I was like, whoa, that's interesting. So a year and a day, right? Cultures around the world honored it. Maya, Maya women said that their calendar came from menstruation. Chinese women divided the sky into 28 lunar mansions, and in Gaelic words for menstruation and calendar are the same, miosach and miosachan. I don't know, M-I-O-S-A-C-H and M-I-O-S-A-C-H-A-N. So there you go. The Romans used the word menstruation for measuring time. It comes from mensura, measure, from the same root, we get mensis, month and the word menses, the monthly cycle. So one is mensis, maybe, and menses. A woman's body was the first clock, mind blown. But this body-based time was slowly erased. The church replaced the 13-moon year with a 12-month solar one. They called 13 unlucky, moon rites became witchcraft, even menstruation became taboo. Still the signs survived. Witch covens honor the number 13, The 13 Treasures of Britain. Sow with 13 teats in Malta's temples, Twelfth Night fires, 12 small flames, plus one large one to represent the 13th moon of the new year. So lots of little people, just like keeping that history around. I love it, generations, hundreds of years later, right? The church flipped time inside out. Pagans began their days at sunset. The Saxon word for day actually meant night. Good night was once good den or good moonday. Christianity didn't release the goddess calendar. It was rebranded. Christmas Eve equals the pagan night of the mother. Easter equals set by the first full moon after the spring equinox. May Eve, Midsummer Eve, Llamas Eve, All Hallow's Eve, all began as a lunar right. This is interesting. This source that's here I started on another podcast. Pretty much every amazing holiday used to be a pagan holiday, and then the church just rebranded it. So anyways, always good to know where these things came from because I just think you should know. I think you should know what things really are. Alright. They tried to rewrite time, to flatten her curves into straight lines, but the moon cycles never left. They pulse in the mirror of stories and the tides of women in the hush between full moons. And now she's being remembered, not as superstition, but as origin. So hopefully I can get this girl who posted this on the pod. I really. She was cool. And I thought this information is cool. And ladies, we need to know. Right? Time was actually all about us. And I just think that's amazing. Lesley Logan 5:08  So okay, a win of yours. Lisa MacDonald, had a summer cancelation hole on my schedule, but turned what could be considered a negative to a positive, and did Boom Boom Pow! with Lesley on the Reformer, finished with my boomerang on the mat, stood up and said awesome out loud, it felt great. Such a win. Coming off my duet session with Lesley and Melissa Hargrove last night, I felt strong, connected and fabulous. Thank you, Lesley, for inspiring me to look for a win and celebrate. Lisa MacDonald, of course, of course. Lisa is an OPC member. She's done my mentorship program, and so the Boom Boom Pow! was one of the OPC classes. And at OPC, we have a name for every class you have access to it for two weeks. And it's really fun when you get, if you're a teacher, you get a cancelation and you take class because then you get to have extra time with your Pilates practice, which I love. Lesley Logan 5:57  Okay, my win didn't get celebrated last week. We were out of town, and I wanted to make sure I told you, Brad and I celebrated 10 years of being married last week, which is insanity. It's so crazy. I don't know if you maybe this is maybe I'm not the only one, but please let me know if you feel like you are. Like, hold on, how long I've been with this person, or how long I've been doing any anniversary, right? Like, how long have I been doing this? Like it felt like we just got married, and actually, obviously we haven't, but, like, doesn't feel like it's been 10 years, which I guess is great, but then I look back and I'm like, wow, we have done so much in 10 years, like, an insane amount in 10 years. And it's really cool, because this is, like, the first time we have so much more to go and so much more to grow, but just really grateful that we got to celebrate that together, because sometimes our anniversaries line up where we are on a plane and we're together, but like, one of us probably sleeping, and also several times it's happened where we've, like, taken off on a flight on the second, we've landed on the fourth, because we lost today. So it's really nice that we were around together in the daylight hours, not on a plane, able to actually celebrate our 10 year anniversary, which is really, really great. So normally, the wins are something that you want to celebrate. Sometimes they're big, like a 10 year, you know, I'll celebrate 11 as well, but I think it's important that, you know, we celebrate wins, big or small. In the coming months, we're going to have a Habits Series on the program, and one of the biggest things you can start doing to big habits happen is start to notice the things that you actually are getting done, the wins that are actually happening in your life. All right, there's little ones every single day, and we are just not taking enough time to celebrate what we did do. And you know what? Maybe you've got a lot going on in your life, and the only thing to celebrate is that you took a shower and you put on a different change of clothes. That's a huge win. If that was the hardest thing you could do in the day. You know, like, I think you I think we have to start giving ourselves credit for what we have done. And I really, I interviewed someone to be on the pod, and I really like what they're saying. There's so many people who are doing outward actions to get outward affirmation, versus looking and glowing from within, and you can only do that if you're actually recognizing that you're doing really great stuff based in grace, babe. Lesley Logan 8:13  All right, your mantra. You ready for it? I do not rise and fall for another. I do not rise and fall for another. I do not rise and fall for another. No, you don't. You rise. You rise for you. Got it? So easy to do it for other people, and it hurts because it's hard that way. So I do not rise and fall for another. Lesley Logan 8:39  You guys, have an amazing week. We've got a great guest coming up next week. Can't wait for you to hear it and until then, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:46  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 9:28  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 9:34  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 9:38  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 9:45  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 9:49  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley and Brad are back to recap their conversation with Dr. Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro. They share how showing up as yourself makes the hard days easier, why boundaries are non-negotiable, and how letting go of the “struggle equals success” myth frees you to enjoy the work you love. And because it's not all business, Lesley answers a listener's fun question about how she manages to look fresh after a long flight.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why authenticity makes showing up easier and attracts the right people.How boundaries set the tone and teach others to respect your priorities.The risks of building a brand that doesn't align with who you are.Why success doesn't require constant hustle or exhaustion.Lesley's favorite skincare and travel beauty tips for long haul flightsEpisode References/Links:Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/retreatsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsLesley's Skincare Recommendations - https://xxll.co/skincareSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsThe Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  If you are afraid to post on socials, or you're afraid of market yourself or put yourself out there, just know that if you're putting your true self and what you believe in out there, it's gonna be so much easier to show up on a hard day, and people are gonna truly start to connect with that. Will everyone connect with it? No, and that's a good thing. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the incredible, amazing, badass convo we have with the one and only, Shante Cofield. Brad Crowell 1:10  Shante.Lesley Logan 1:11  The Movement Maestro. Brad Crowell 1:12  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 1:13  Oh my gosh. It was in our last episode. And if you haven't listened to that one, you've missed out on life. You really like you kind of fucked up. You got to go listen to it. You can listen after this, and you can listen and then like, usually like, depend on how you set your podcast situation up. It could be right after this. If you're listening to the OPC app, it's right below this one. If you're in your Apple app, good luck. They've changed it all the time. It's hard to find an episode you missed. Then that's why we do these recaps. But first, today, it is October 9th, it's Curious Events Day. Brad Crowell 1:42  Curious Events Day. Lesley Logan 1:44  I chose this because of Shante. So, the other ones seemed quite boring. There was World Post Day, and I was like, oh, that's so Shante, but it means like, mail, like. Brad Crowell 1:53  What do you mean male? Lesley Logan 1:54  Like, post mail, like mailing a letter, World Post Day. Not as not as in, like, social media post. Brad Crowell 2:00  I was definitely not thinking M-A-I-L. Lesley Logan 2:03  Yeah, mail. So I didn't choose that one, because that would be the opposite of Shante. But, Curious Events Day is October 9th, and it's a day to wonder about everything we've ever wondered about. So how do you get those little ships into the bottles? I think they do it like they're flat and they put it in. But you should, if you still wonder, you should look that up. Who figured out how to tie shoelaces? That is curious. What is the most recent sighting of Bigfoot in North America? I'm seriously doubting where the feedback might come from. I definitely do mean, pick your sources wisely. Why can't we figure what happened in Roswell? Be inquisitive, be persistent, and be careful, don't forget that old adage, curiosity killed the cat, and then the end is that satisfaction brought it back. But do be mindful. Brad Crowell 2:49  And then it's like, but I had nine lives, so you're good. Be curious. Lesley Logan 2:52  But also, like, do judge your news sources carefully. Brad Crowell 2:57  Oh my gosh. Please, please validate things. Lesley Logan 2:59  Please. Also, like. Brad Crowell 3:01  Anytime, anything seems like, oh yeah, that, that news makes sense. No, go, look it up. Lesley Logan 3:06  Also, don't just look at headlines or scan things. Read. Use your reading skills. Like, use them. It's very, very important. And it's, it's something that's like, I think what I like about world curious day or nationally curious day is, like, just it, it's a way to get off of social media and then go. Brad Crowell 3:28  Curious Events Day.Lesley Logan 3:29  Curious Events Day and go look up things, you know, maybe use a library, like, I don't know, be curious there, too. Anyways, so our Winter Tour is announced, y'all, it announced, well, a while back, and if you haven't bought your tickets yet, you could, it might be Slim Pickens. So go to opc.me/tour to see all the incredible cities. We are recording this before October 1st, so I actually have no idea where we're going yet. We are.Brad Crowell 3:55  We're still working all that out, but it but there's, you know, we got like 25 cities on the docket that we're trying to figure out. Lesley Logan 4:01  That's the goal. Brad Crowell 4:02  It's even bigger and better than we've ever done before. And it's only possible because you come to see the events, and see each other and hang and, you know, come meet us in in real life and we love it. Lesley Logan 4:15  It's kind of how all things work. Brad Crowell 4:15  And the dog, you know. Lesley Logan 4:15  If you like this podcast, you gotta leave a review, share it with a friend and listen. You gotta. If you, if you like our show, you gotta like, you got like, there's things you have more power than you realize. And if you don't attend an event, we don't go back. Brad Crowell 4:30  That's very key. Lesley Logan 4:31  Even if we like this city. So, opc.me/tour. Also, we're currently in Cambodia for our retreat. If you're not on the waitlist yet, you're gonna want to get on that, because in January, we're opening up the early bird special for the retreat, and only those on the waitlist get the early bird option. You don't have to get on the waitlist, but you get to pay full price. And that's that's just like we're spelling out for you.Brad Crowell 4:54  Just to put this out there, we've had a lot of people asking about October 2026. So, a lot of people, and there is only room for, you know, there's a limited amount of space we have.Lesley Logan 5:04  As much as we love you and we hate saying no.Brad Crowell 5:08  I would love to, you know, make sure everybody can join us. But, you know, there's a limited amount of space.Lesley Logan 5:15  Well, because, to be honest, like, we just like the smaller busses, because it means, like, we get to spend more time with you versus the bigger bus, and it's like not as much time with you. And also the bigger bus means less sites to see because the busses don't fit in certain places.Brad Crowell 5:27  Yeah, it is, you know, I mean, what we'll, look, we'll bring the bigger bus if we have the group for the bigger bus, but, yeah, we are limited on we can't go through the big temple.Lesley Logan 5:35  There's only so much room on the patio, so get your spot quickly by being on the waitlist.Brad Crowell 5:44  All right, and then we're excited. On October 19th, we're actually going to be going to Singapore. Oh, for the waitlist people go to lesleylogan.co/retreats plural lesleylogan.co/retreats. On October 19th, we're fired up to be coming to Singapore. This is a new thing for us. We were invited. It's a private event, but I just want to put that out there, you know, for you, if, if you want to host us coming through, just reach out, and we'll see how we can figure it out.Lesley Logan 6:10  Just ask. We actually just came back yesterday when we're recording this from U.K. and people were, I shared, like, oh, we're we actually are here because people asked. Like, it wasn't like we had a studio owner ask, and then we had another studio go, hey, how do I get that at my studio? And then we put the events together. And so, you know, we, we, sometimes we have to plan years in advance, like, this particular event was actually planned two years ago, but we can do that. And we, we actually are the kind of people that don't just show up on your door unannounced. We do need an invitation. And so we already talked about Winter Tour that's coming up in December. Then January is gonna be the Pilates Journal Expo. It's in Huntington Beach. If you go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal, you can get your tickets for that. I've got a world premiere of a workshop, which is really fun for me, because I just like having a space where you can ask whatever question you want about Pilates. Don't worry, there's some other nuggets around that, but, like, it's really a space for that.Brad Crowell 7:04  What was the URL again?Lesley Logan 7:07  xxll.co/pilatesjournalBrad Crowell 7:10  Yeah, we got a new URL shortener, y'all. xxll.co Lesley Logan 7:14  Yeah, because, you know, it's what they needed. Brad Crowell 7:15  We did that instead of a phone number. Lesley Logan 7:17  They still want the phone number. Brad Crowell 7:19  Yeah, the phone number is not gonna be. Lesley Logan 7:21  I still want it. We haven't looked at it. We haven't looked into if we can have a like, you know, 310 just be it.Brad Crowell 7:27  In March, we're gonna be.Lesley Logan 7:27  In Poland. We're gonna be in Poland again. I'm so excited to be back in Poland with Karen Frischmann. So it's, like, kind of amazing you get to learn from the two of us at the same time, which means a bigger bang for your buck, xxll.co/poland, anyone can go, by the way, just because, Karen and I speak in English, okay, that's how we teach. And then it's translated into Polish. But you can just come and then Karen and I will drag Brad, Brad through Europe, all the way over to Brussels, and we are going to be. Brad Crowell 8:00  I will not be complaining. Lesley Logan 8:01  At El's Studio in Brussels. Very, very excited about this. Brad Crowell 8:05  L-L-E Elle's. Lesley Logan 8:06  Oh, actually it's E-L-S.Brad Crowell 8:07  E-L-S apostrophe El's Studio.Lesley Logan 8:08  Yeah, I think it's El's with the apostrophe, because then it's else's. That's what I learned when there's an S, you just put the apostle on the other side. Anyways, you can go to xxll.co/brussels to grab your tickets for that. And in April, we can announce this right now. Brad Crowell 8:28  We can talk about that. I'm pretty sure we already did. Lesley Logan 8:31  So there's something, oh, we might have. We're going to be in London. There is a there is a POT in London. And what I'm doing in London is not yet to be announced, because I haven't signed my contract. So we're gonna be at the POT in London. We're doing something. Brad Crowell 8:45  We're gonna have a booth, and we're gonna be talking about flashcards. So, come hang out. If you've never been to a Pilates On Tour, it is a lot of fun. They're amazing events. They really do a great job with that. And we can't wait to be back in London, it's gonna be amazing.Brad Crowell 8:55  And you can buy day passes for that so. Brad Crowell 8:59  Cool. Love it. All right, before we get into this incredible interview with Shante, we actually had a question, and the question was from Pilates Physio.Lesley Logan 9:08  So there's two people sent in the same question within two weeks. And I like when you read these out loud. Just read them out loud. Read them both. Brad Crowell 9:16  Okay, so Pilates Physio said, how do you look this fresh flying UK to Australia, I always look dragged through the hedge backwards.Lesley Logan 9:26  Hedges backwards, Sorry. Brad Crowell 9:27  Hedges? Lesley Logan 9:28  Yeah, the hedges backwards, sorry. My nails are too long. I typed it up myself.Brad Crowell 9:32  Okay. And the next one is Pilates, Inhale Pilates asks, how the hell do you look so fresh and glowing after all of that flying that is so unfair. And let me tell you my secret. Lesley Logan 9:45  Oh, yeah, you want to tell your secret. So I love both these women, because one of them asked it after I did story, when we had just landed in the UK, and we were driving to (inaudible) and we landed in Edinburgh and we were driving into (inaudible) and then the other one asked it after I we landed, went through security, got through our Global Entry, and we were in the, like, baggage claim area, and I did it. And so it's really quite funny, because for the first one, I actually purposely didn't wear any makeup, and just did my brow stuff because we were flying overnight, and I knew I'd be trying to sleep, and it was like about 30 hours of travel, and you don't wanna have makeup. And for the second one, we had a whole day flight, and I was like, I gotta do stories. I gotta do this. I gotta have my makeup on. And I am so proud of how amazing my makeup survived the Edinburgh, Heathrow, Heathrow to L.A. I did I will say I looked pretty ragged by the time we did L.A. to Las Vegas. I was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open. So it wasn't like I was dragging a hedge backwards.Brad Crowell 10:43  We both were (inaudible) out on the plane home, like we were, we were asleep before we left the ground. I don't remember taking off.Lesley Logan 10:48  Yeah, I think we just like, I fell asleep so hard. So I will say, I think it's really easy on social media to look at someone who like and go, oh, they look so great. And to be honest, like in that moment, I caught the right light, but I will. So here's what I told them both, really great skin care. You have to have a great skin care routine. You must be doing this all the time. There isn't any makeup hack you can do that can out do bad skin care. Like every makeup artist I've ever worked with, is like the first step to great makeup is the skincare. So fine. When you like, I love the one I use. We don't have a short link for it. We have, like, a long link for it. Brad Crowell 11:30  We can get a short link for it. It's the the tarantula.Lesley Logan 11:34  No, I don't, I don't have, I don't have a social I don't have an affiliate for that. I'll tell you what that is. But, yeah, it's in the sponsors page. Yeah, so, so we'll drop that in there. He'll give it to you in a second. So, great skincare. Must, must, must, must do. Second, if you are flying long, like U.K. to Australia or the U.S. to Europe, like anything, that's 12-hour flight and it's overnight, I highly recommend no makeup, because you are going to try and sleep. But I do believe in mascara and brow gel like and I really do believe in it. It has changed the life. And if you're like, oh, I over plucked my brows when I was younger, you gotta go you gotta follow Striiike. You gotta follow, Striiike is the Instagram account Kristie Streicher. She has a (inaudible) three i's, she will, she will teach you how to grow your brows out, you guys. She was a client of mine. I was a client with of hers. I have not seen her in years, and I'm so proud of what my brows are doing. But I hire because what happened like your eyebrows and your lashes, like frame your eyes, and it can make a tired eye look happier. So we don't have affiliates for Striiike, but go and just learn from them. They have tons of tutorials. Tarantulash is by Bakeup Beauty again, no affiliates. I can't make any money off this, but I'm obsessed. I buy two sticks of mascara every time I shop with them, because you can get the free shipping, The, so once you have a good brow, good mascara you like and great skincare, you can fly anywhere. You also have to drink water. You must drink water when you fly. You have to drink water when you fly. I did not, I do not sleep well on most flights, especially long ones. In fact, when Pilates Physio asked that question, I had not slept at all because the flight sucked so much. On the way home, I think I got a little bit of sleep so, so I would love that. Then, when you want to apply makeup, like I had makeup on the second one, when you want to apply makeup, you you do want to find a makeup line that is easier for you to use, so that it doesn't take too long, and second that through the day, it looks better. No affiliate for Westman Atelier, I have tried multiple times. But I actually love their free concierge program. You can get on a call with someone. They can pick your colors for you, and it is she, she's a great it's a clean beauty line that actually, as a day goes on, it kind of just like melts into your skin more. So it doesn't streak as the day goes on, it's almost like, it's not that it rubs off, but it just like kind of becomes your skin. So I like that. Brad Crowell 14:03  All right, I think I'm also just gonna interrupt you and say, I love all of these amazing things that you've been figuring out. So the skincare link is xxll.co/skincare. Lesley Logan 14:12  Okay, there you go. Brad Crowell 14:12  So xxll.co/skincare and you'll be able to see what Lesley has been using for skincare. I was also just going to jump in there and say, I don't know anybody else in the world who prioritizes their sleep the way that you do.Lesley Logan 14:29  I know I wish I could sleep on a plane, but I do prioritize it outside of planes. Brad Crowell 14:33  Yeah. And so, you know, when you're asking, like, what is it that you're doing? I think it is, you know, it is built on this foundation of consistent sleep. Lesley Logan 14:42  Yes. Well, I think all of it is, right, but I will say, like, great skincare, great sleep. Drink some water. You'd be surprised. And also just be a little nicer to yourself, like the fact that you think that you've, of course, I thought I looked like hell on the first one. You know what I mean. But like. You smile and you look like more awake. Find the sunshine. You'll look more awake like I think we are constantly thinking that we are supposed to look like supermodels all the time, and no one does, including supermodels. They look like shit actually, most of the time, when you see them outside, but they have a confidence to them that they're beautiful people. And you have to start liking yourself, and you have to start to know that you have so many beautiful features, highlight them and have a great day. Brad Crowell 15:23  Yeah. And have a great day. Look, if you have any questions, Lesley clearly would love to answer those questions, just text us back at 310-905-5534, or you can submit it at beitpod.com/questions, that's beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 15:44  I also just love the ones.Brad Crowell 15:45  You can also leave your wins there, too, for our Friday episodes. Lesley Logan 15:49  And also, I think I just get excited when it's, like, a non Pilates question, because it's like, here is all the research I've done. I figured it out. This is the mascara, you know. Brad Crowell 15:57  I love it. Lesley Logan 15:58  All right, let's talk about Shante.Brad Crowell 16:00  All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 16:03  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Shante Cofield. I just want to say I love Shante. She's amazing, and we actually do know her in real life. We had a chance to hang out with her a few times over the years. She's just fantastic. So, Shante has created this persona called The Movement Maestro.Brad Crowell 16:21  I don't think it's a persona. It's her. It's.Brad Crowell 16:25  It's a, yes, so it's a persona. Actually, that's the definition of it. All right, so Shante is known as The Movement Maestro, and she's actually a physical therapist by trade and an entrepreneur by choice. And she said that on the the interview, and I thought that's a great way to say that. A physical therapist by trade, entrepreneur by choice. She's based in Southern California, and she now focuses on online business coaching, specifically helping health and fitness pros run, build and grow profitable online personal brands. So loving that. And she primarily uses Instagram as their quote, unquote top of funnel for lead generation, and she's just super great at it. She's been doing it for a long time. And she's also the business partner. She's business partners with Jill Coleman for a group coaching program that they do together, that we would absolutely recommend. Of course, Jill was also our coach. If you remember, Jill's been on the pod, all the things, but what a fun conversation. I mean, also, I just wanted to say,Lesley Logan 17:22  Secretly, I just wanted to talk with her, so I brought her on the pod.Brad Crowell 17:25  Well, she, she says this thing that I think is really funny when she when she's agreeing with you, she says this, this, this.Lesley Logan 17:33  Oh, I felt like I had just a cheerleading session. I was, like. Brad Crowell 17:37  Amazing. Lesley Logan 17:37  I, anytime I'm like, doubtful of, like, the do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? I'm just listening to this episode and hear her like compliment the fuck out of me.Brad Crowell 17:46  What was one of the things that you loved that she said.Lesley Logan 17:51  I mean, aside from how amazing she made me feel about myself, so she said that one of the biggest gifts is showing up authentically, because that is what you actually give other people permission to do the same. So when you show up authentically, you invite other people to do this. And I couldn't believe, I couldn't agree more. I think, like when I get to come to a workshop, and people are nervous, and, you know, I'm even nervous because I'm like, oh my god, they paid all this money, they traveled all this way. I hope I don't disappoint them, like, because people might have a different idea of me on like, from online stuff. I don't know. You know what I mean. People tell a story about them, about somebody, and then you meet them, but I. Brad Crowell 18:36  Don't meet your heroes. Everyone always says, Lesley Logan 18:36  Yeah, well, because some of those people suck, not me and not Shante, but, I.Brad Crowell 18:39  I think if you're showing up authentically online when you met someone in person, then you know what you're gonna get. Lesley Logan 18:45  Of course. Brad Crowell 18:46  That's the goal. Lesley Logan 18:47  I but I will just say, like, I always make sure that even when I feel nervous, I have like, the more authentic I can be to myself, the more every one of these people in this room will drop the nerves, will, will will show up and will have a great time with us. So it's really, really fun for me, so I couldn't agree more, and it helps you get out of your own head, because sometimes we get in our own head about things, and it's like, if you are just being your authentic self, it's one, so much easier, and two other people will be the same, and you won't have to worry if people are being real or not about you. Shoot. We also talked about declaring boundaries and priorities and that you the when you say, like, this is what I do, or I'm putting myself first, you model this behavior for others. I mean, like, can she and I just go on a tour together and tell people to prioritize themselves first. I love this. It's so, so good for the people in your life, for the partners in your life, for the friends in your life, like, and I just, I'm just, like, obsessed with all those things, yeah.Brad Crowell 19:45  I mean, I love that. I think it's important. I think it's great. Lesley Logan 19:45  She also, this is very important. She said, anything but yourself is unsustainable. So, like, if you're trying to be other people, yeah, like, it's so unsustainable.Brad Crowell 19:58  That's why I was gonna chime in, one of the stories that she told was when we follow these people online, and then, and then they quit, and they're like, actually built this thing, and I don't like anything about it and all this stuff. And, you know, it's amazing, because you can build things with marketing. When you do marketing properly, it will build a thing. But you need to make sure you like the thing, you need to make sure you like the people that you're going to be talking with, you know, because otherwise it will be unfulfilling. And I think that if you are talking about something that you don't believe in, it's not sustainable. And that's where this authenticity comes in. When you talk about something you're passionate about, or you believe in, or you really, you know, are wanting to encourage others to tackle and change and do all the things. It comes through, it shines through, right? And also is it allows it for you, you can stand by your word, you know, so that I think that.Lesley Logan 20:53  I also think like it when you're consistent, people do see that, even if they're not buying your thing right away, like, and it doesn't mean you don't get to pivot or evolve. But I have noticed, like, people who keep changing this, oh, I'm doing this now, I'm doing this now. I'm doing this now, and they're so different. Oh, I'm back to this now. I'm like, are they okay? What are they doing? You know. So I do think that the way, if you are, if you are afraid to post on socials, or you're afraid to mark your market yourself, or put yourself out there. Just know that if you're putting your true self and what you believe in out there, it's gonna be so much easier to show up on a hard day, and people are gonna truly start to connect with that. Will everyone connect with it? No, and that's a good thing. You don't want everyone to connect with you. I promise you that. There are some crazy people out there. You don't want them to like your stuff, so be your authentic self, and it will repel them.Brad Crowell 21:45  Yes, yes, yeah, and not even in a negative way. It just they won't be attracted to it. So I really loved when she was talking about the societal lie that success requires struggle. And I found this really intriguing, because I I lived this, this story of, we've talked about this a little bit before, but the bootstrapping, the solopreneur, I gotta do it all myself. Why? Because I'm broke and I can't afford to whatever. And it became a story that I told myself. And then what happens is, it becomes your MO, it becomes your persona.Brad Crowell 22:19  Yeah, well, you tell a story, but also, but you feel like it has to be hard all the time. Brad Crowell 22:20  It has to be hard all the time. But it's not even, it's not even that it has to be hard all the time. That's not the story we initially tell ourselves, but it becomes a lived experience that we then adopt. Right? And so all of a sudden, you're like, like, because when you start to delegate, when you do have a team, and you start giving things over to the team, such as, I'm a teacher, I'm teaching 7000 hours a week, you know, all of a sudden you're not teaching that much anymore. But you've, you've adopted this. It's got to be challenging, or we're not moving forward approach, you suddenly feel like you're doing it wrong, or you're or like some something, something is wrong. You can't, you can't figure out what it is. But it's because we've built this on this foundation of it's got to be hard for it to be right. Lesley Logan 23:09  Well, all the I work with a lot of teachers like, Oh my god, but if I do it like that, then the clients aren't going to because they want to feel burn. It's like, do you want to teach like that? If you don't want to teach like that, stop teaching like that, because they like educate people on what it is. You're making it hard on yourself, and then it's not going to be fun to show up all the time, and you're not going to like it and that, you're like, oh, but it's, it's got to be hard. I it's got to be a struggle. And then I'll get to the other side. You got to do things you like and and there. And success does have obstacles, but it doesn't have to be like you're trudging through like quicksand.Brad Crowell 23:41  Yeah, I mean, you're, you're not here to be miserable every day and faking this thing, right? I think that I just really liked what she said about it. And she said, of course, work is hard, but when it but when it comes to what things that you enjoy doing and the people you enjoy being around, it can still be fun, even when you are working hard, but the but the high level effort doesn't have to be, like killing yourself to make it. Like the struggle, I think the we jokingly say the struggle is real. But also, you know, it doesn't always have to be a struggle every day. Lesley Logan 24:21  Correct. And also, like, I just posted about this today on Instagram, because multiple times during the two events we had people were like, you must be tired, and I was like, oh, I'm not tired. You know, I might be tired. I'll be tired tonight. I might even be a little bit tired tomorrow. But like, I'm not tired right now because I love what I'm doing. I didn't put anything up here that you could buy that would exhaust me.Brad Crowell 24:42  Yeah, well, I think this weird assumption with that, like, wow, you must be tired means you must be burned out, because what you do is so much, like, I cannot fathom how you're able to execute it all you know, and still have time for yourself.Lesley Logan 24:57  Yeah. Well, that goes back to what we said with Shante said earlier, I prioritize myself and I have boundaries. Big time, big time. And I recognize that, like people have kids and blah, blah, blah and all this stuff. I still think that, because she said, we are a mirror, and we, when we are ourselves, other people do the same. If you put yourself first, other people see this, and they too will do it. So we it's not like people will just assume, oh, I gotta not bother that person. You have to say, I can't do that right now. But like, if you are doing something you love, yes, it'd be hard days, but it doesn't have to be a struggle. Brad Crowell 25:27  Yeah. Well, look, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into the Be It Action Item that Shante left us, right after this. Brad Crowell 25:36  Alright, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Shante Cofield. Lesley Logan 25:46  You go first. Brad Crowell 25:47  Okay. She said when starting out or starting something new, she advised, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. And I just loved this. I loved this because this concept of borrowing confidence. I've never thought of before, I never heard of before, but it's so real. Lesley Logan 26:04  This is so brilliant. Brad Crowell 26:04  Because what like, it's almost insulting if you don't believe the person, like, I believe in you. I believe that you can do the thing and you're like, you're right, you're wrong, I'm gonna fail. Right? It's like, you kind of are throwing it back in their face, right? But I also love this reframes this whole idea. When someone is like, I know you can do the thing. You can borrow that confidence from that. What a cool idea. She said, then advise. She said, afterwards, celebrate. Clap yourself. Clap for yourself, and go learn the thing, and then get in those reps. Choose to believe the evidence of your growing confidence, right? And I think when you're when you're, especially when you're starting something new, if you have a mentor or a friend who's like, really, really cheering for you, they're seeing something that you might not see in yourself in the moment, you know, but it doesn't mean you don't have it. So, yeah.Lesley Logan 26:55  Yeah, yeah, okay. It's like, she also just loves our anthem, being in this pod, because she said do it scared. Yep. She said, confidence is a byproduct. It's on the other side of action. So a byproduct of taking action is confidence. That's how you get confidence. Everyone's waiting for confidence. Take action. You gotta take the action to get the confidence, and waiting to feel better about it is a trap. One must still have to take action and show up in this way. So you've got to take the action, guys. And she also said, the confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So do it scared and freaking. Say this episode and go back and listen to her tell you that, because it's I couldn't I was just like, yeah, this is why she's on the pod. Like, literally, to remind people so you be it till you see it. I'm obsessed with you Shante, you guys, they have their own podcast. I also know that since we interviewed them for this and I was like, what do you do right now, they were, you know, sharing like, (inaudible) they did a podcasting course.Brad Crowell 28:00  Oh, cool. The podcast is called Maestro On The Mic.Lesley Logan 28:03  Maestro On The Mic. And also, I love their weekly newsletters. I highly recommend. It's an email I actually do read every week. I really, really like it. And it's also I got her on the pod because I got one. And I said, I fucking love this one. Brad Crowell 28:14  Side note, she's a doctor. Lesley Logan 28:16  Yeah. All right, sorry, Dr. Shante, anyways, she is a doctor. She is a badass. I love her journey. I hope that you saw yourself in some of these things that she said. And Shante is gonna wanna know what your takeaways are, so definitely send her a DM what your favorite part was? Send it to the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. This is how we be it till we see it and until next time, Be it Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:39  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 28:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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Dr. Shanté Cofield, better known as The Movement Maestro, unpack what it really takes to build a business and life that actually feels good. From letting go of roles that no longer serve you to embracing lifestyle design over burnout, she shares the truth about why authenticity is the only sustainable strategy. Whether you're navigating a career shift, battling imposter syndrome, or tired of trying to be someone you're not, this episode will remind you that being yourself isn't just allowed—it's necessary.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How the shift from PT to brand-builder was built on small steps.Why creating a lifestyle business is really about time and balance.How authenticity makes your work sustainable without constant struggle.Why confidence shows up only after you do the thing scared.How borrowing belief from mentors can carry you through doubt.Episode References/Links:The Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.comDr. Shanté Cofield on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/themovementmaestroDr. Shanté Cofield on Threads - https://www.threads.com/@themovementmaestroJill Coleman Website - https://jillfit.comEp. 385 Danny-J Johnson & Jill Coleman - https://beitpod.com/ep385RockTape - https://www.rocktape.comGuest Bio:Dr. Shanté Cofield, widely known as The Movement Maestro, is a former physical therapist turned entrepreneur who has built a thriving career helping health and fitness professionals take their work online. She is the creator and host of Maestro on the Mic, a podcast with more than one million downloads, and the founder of The Movement Maestro LLC, a company dedicated to showing coaches and clinicians how to build authentic personal brands. Based in Southern California, Shanté is recognized for her vibrant teaching style, love of community, and unapologetic approach to living life on her own terms.With a background that blends over a decade in movement science and several years in online business strategy, she equips entrepreneurs to grow without losing sight of the lifestyle they want to create. Her work emphasizes sustainability over hustle, encouraging clients to pursue balance, authenticity, and freedom in their careers. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, get ready. This, this the word this comes up in this podcast so many times as a like, like, double tap, as a thumbs up, as like, high five as, I mean, if I could have done this in person, we would have been like, just high fiving each other the whole time. I am obsessed with this person, Shanté Cofield, the movement maestro, is our guest today, and someone who has impressed me from the moment I was introduced to her in so many freaking ways. And what I love is like I got to watch her on the outside looking in, and then I got to know her on the inside and still, just like we don't live in the same place. So just like watching from afar, and like being an Instagram friend, hopefully real life friend from afar, but then getting to talk to Shanté today and hear the journey that they've been on, the journey that they're still on, the way they make decisions. I'm so excited for you, because no matter if you run your own business, you work for someone, you are a human being, and you are going to hear so many things that it's going to help you be you, be more you. So much permission is going to be granted. And I hope this is an episode that you save and hit on replay, because I know I am, I know I can't even wait to listen to this again. And also, I hope that this allows you, if you don't know who Shanté is, I hope this helps you find them, follow them and and get more from them, because they will they have so much to teach. They're just inherent teachers. So Shanté Cofield, thank you so much in advance. You guys, here is the Be It Pod with Shanté Cofield, enjoy. Lesley Logan 2:23  All right, Be It babe. Get ready. This is gonna be amazing. I know that currently, Brad has no idea who I'm talking to, otherwise he'd be in this room. He'd be so jealous. He loves this person so much. So, Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro, here you are, finally.Shanté Cofield 2:39  Here I am. Thank you for having me on. Lesley Logan 2:40  Oh my god. Shanté Cofield 2:42  I'm excited. I'm actually legitimately excited to be on this positive podcast. I'm like, yeah, let's fucking do it. The energy. Lesley Logan 2:47  This is gonna be great. So here's the thing you guys, I met Shanté through Jill Coleman, who's been on the pod before. And one of the things that you might not well, you know this about yourself because it's what you teach people on but like, I see a recycling truck and I think of you.Shanté Cofield 3:01  As in knowable. And thank you for knowing it's a recycling truck, not the garbage truck. I don't like the garbage truck, it's a recycling truck.Lesley Logan 3:08  And so and then, you know, I was reading I was reading through your form and everything, and I was like, oh, she does have a bright green jeep. That's right, she does. So Shanté, if in case people don't know who you are, can you tell them who you are and what you rock at?Shanté Cofield 3:20  Yes, absolutely. Again, thank you for having me on and you, listening, thank you for being here. I, Shanté Cofield, I think more colloquially or now more commonly known as Maestro. I'm a physical therapist by trade, an entrepreneur by choice, and now I spend my days in Southern California, but try and make the monies I do online business coaching. So like Lesley had said, Jill Coleman is my business partner for one of the projects that we group coaching program that run together, but I help health and fitness pros run, build, grow, profitable. It's an important word there online personal brands. That is my niche, that is my zone of genius, largely using Instagram as their initial kind of top of funnel. Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I love that you had, like, by trade, and then by choice. I think a lot of people get stuck on the by trade, and they kind of don't choose.Shanté Cofield 4:09  Yeah, I'm like, go and do other things.Lesley Logan 4:12  How long ago did you do that, though? And, like, was it the scariest thing? Shanté Cofield 4:16  Totally. So I graduated from PT school in 2010 I did it for eight years, and during that time, kind of on the back end of that, I started working for a company called Rock Tape. So if any of you have seen any colorful tape that the athletes wear, Carrie Walsh really put, like kinesiology tape on the map. I started working for one of those companies, and I was a lead instructor, and I that's when I really found that I love teaching, and I literally traveled the world teaching for them. So, you know, growing up, I wanted to have a job that I could go on planes and I could stay in hotels. Why? I don't know. I don't know why I wanted that, but I did. And then I became a physical therapist, and I was like, well, that's not gonna really allow for that. And then I got that job, and I found myself traveling and teaching across the world, and I concurrently was building my personal brand. Kind of inadvertently building it, not even kind of, 100% inadvertently building a personal brand, as the Movement Maestro on Instagram, because I was like, I have stuff to say, and this is fun, and I'll connect with people. So I did. I practiced for eight years, and just towards the end of it, I was practicing less, and I was teaching more, very much, knowing that I would step back from from treating because I didn't really love it, but it's safe and it's a great first career, but you can't really, in my opinion, teach just from theory, like you have to be practicing still. And I was like, I don't even enjoy this. I don't really want to be doing this anymore. And so the pivot came in 2020 so I was doing things behind the scenes, kind of the online business stuff behind the scenes. I met Jill in 2019 and we linked up. But 2020, I was like, I am done with PT stuff. I'm done talking about it, coaching it, teaching it, working in that field. And then Covid was like, Okay, here you go. And the pivot was actually very easy, because I couldn't travel anymore. I (inaudible) online, and I just brought all of the kind of coaching business stuff that people have been asking me for, just about that front facing. Then stopped with the, the PT stuff. Lesley Logan 6:04  It's funny. Like, I think, you know, obviously 2020, was terrible for so many reasons, and, and also, like, you can't have bad without good. Like, that's a balance. And so, like, if you take advantage of of the the opportunity that it was there, which is like, oh, I can't like the the playground has said that this is the box. And if I, so, how can I be creative in that box? And we also met Jill in 2019 and then, because of a 30-minute talk she did, we like, did her notes, and then I like DM-ed her like, two months, and I was like, just so you know, thanks for what you did in someone else's thing. We did it, and we made $20,000. She's like, who are you? You know, but like, because of how things change, it really did a lend itself for people who wanted to make a big pivot. And I love that you took advantage of that. Shanté Cofield 6:54  100%. Lesley Logan 6:55  I think, like, people who hear that, though, when people work online, they think, oh, my God, you get to work for yourself. It's like the dream life. We're just all printing money. It's like the coffee shop, you guys. Shanté Cofield 7:05  Yes, printing money.Lesley Logan 7:08  You know, I think it's also easy for people to make a switch and then overwork themselves on something that I am so attracted to about you is that you don't do that. Shanté Cofield 7:16  No, I am 100% of the lifestyle business mindset. And mind you, lifestyle business doesn't mean like being a pauper. It's just like, what's the lifestyle that you want? And if you want some extravagant, you know, lifestyle, then you're gonna have to work and earn, you know, commensurate with that. But for me, it is the reason I do what I do and make any money, is so that I can live in the way that I want, you know, and I want to have a lot of time to do the stuff I want to do on a play guitar. I go to the beach a ton. Jill and I are really good balance in that way, because Jill loves the work. She loves it. She loves being in it. She loves the strategy. And I'm like, I'm going to go to the beach now. I'm going to go and play volleyball. I'm going to go downstairs and lift. I have a gym that we put in in the house. So it's like, yes, I have to make enough money that allows for that lifestyle, but the reason that I do things in my first choice will always be, I'm going to go out and live and do the fun activities or stay home and do the activities, as opposed to being like, work, work, work.Lesley Logan 8:12  So is that easy for you? Like, is that how you've always been? Like is it hard for people around you?Shanté Cofield 8:18  I think that it is, there's a definitely, I love you asked this question because I think it's super important when we're listening to people speak, and we're looking to take lessons from them and advice from them that we also realize where they are in life, like I'm 40, right? So it's not that if I would not be saying this if I was 20, right? So when I was 20, I was in I was in college, and then I immediately after that, I was in grad school, and then I was living in New York City, working a lot like, still very much, being like, I want this. I want to be able to do things on my own time. But knew that I couldn't. I was like, I have to work and I'm have no money, and I live in New York City. But that was definitely always the goal, whether I realized it or not, was this time, flexibility and being in control of my own time. So it is easy for me to do that now, and it's all that I want to do now, and I can actually afford to do that. And I'm able to do that because I'm not 20 I'm not 25 like I do think that there is a time in life when, like, you grind, right? The analogy I like to use is surfing, right? If I don't, first of all, I live by the ocean. I don't go in the water, but I understand it, right? Lesley Logan 9:22  I love you so much because I love the ocean. But I don't go usually I'm like, I don't like anything touching me that I can't see. Shanté Cofield 9:30  I could. I will look at it. I don't need to be up in the ocean. But I watch all the surfers there, and it's like, if you want to ride the wave, if you want to coast, you have to paddle out. You don't just end up out there on the wave and like, oh, look at me. Like, you have to, first of all, I don't watch people surfing like, this is like, so much work, and they're not going, like, under the waves, and that things are hitting them and the board is going backwards. There's a lot of work that gets put up, that gets done, gets front loaded, and then you're like, all right, cool. I can ride this wave and sit here. I can pick which wave I ride, but that's after all the work comes. So no, no, it's not a hard thing for me to decide to do now or live into now. But also, like, I'm 40, I'm not 25.Lesley Logan 10:10  I actually, that's so funny. You know, you have the idea people think that, like, people are served are just like, easy going, like they're just like, actually, like, they're the most organized, hard working folks I've ever met, because they're like, they know when the waves are going to be great. They work there. They schedule everything around that. They work really hard. Like, I went to a yoga teacher who was like, so zen, so chill. He taught at 5 am then he was out riding the waves, and he taught again at 9 am he would like.Shanté Cofield 10:37  This, absolutely, absolutely.Lesley Logan 10:40  But I want to see them, like, hanging loose, or what a hanging 10, and they're like, oh, but they have they're chill. It's like, actually. So that's such a beautiful analogy. I think it's really fun. I always tell people like, when I'm doing interviews, like, why I'm 42 because I think, like, you do have to say, like, it. I can say this and I can work my schedule really does my work schedule really is only nine to four, because when I was 30, this was six to seven.Shanté Cofield 11:06  (inaudible) like, I need you to understand that folks that like that is how it works. Like, in general, I love that you typed into that with with surfers. And one thing I think about with that is that form allows for flow right where, like, yeah, he has a schedule and he has, like, this times, and like, yes, we are dictated by, like, what weather is doing, right? And that allows for me to be able to, like, go with the flow, because I had these things, whether that's like in a time, like a looking across a timeline that I did these things first, or I'm looking at within my day, and it's like, okay, I structured this, this and this, so that I can just be chill, going with the flow, if you will, during these other times. Absolutely. Lesley Logan 11:41  Yeah, but is it? Is it easy for the people around you? Because I know, like, I like, I have learned this is when I'm creative. This is when I can actually do the best coaching. If I miss this opportunity, we're not even posting because it doesn't, it's not even gonna work for me. Like, I just, you know, I love about and, like, there are other people like, oh, you're like, like, I feel like you're you're so cold. Like, I'm not cold. 6am to 9am is my time. You cannot be in my time.Shanté Cofield 12:04  No, no one has had an issue. I mean, my partner, Lex, she does online business. She gets it. She's known me for a long time too, so she knows how I am. And I think that exactly what you just said one of the best things, and we've talked about this a little bit before we got on the call, like this, like this idea of authenticity, that can be kind of overused as a word, but one of the biggest gifts of like, actually showing up authentically, is that you give other people permission to do the same, right? Not that they need it, but like they are looking for it. And so when you show up and you're like, Yeah, this is what I do. This is the time I take. This is how, like, when I'm going to be doing this, I'm putting myself first. I'm scheduling this first. You give other people the permission to do that. And people like that. They're like, oh, if maybe, maybe they have some initial pushback, but that's because they're like, oh shit, you just held up a mirror. And now I have to look at myself and be like, Am I doing that? I could do that. What's stopping me from doing that? So I've had no pushback with it at all. You know, I've I say this whenever I go on podcasts or talk about things like so much of everything I credit to my mom, and just like how she raised me and I, she's always supported me. There was never a like, but what about or none of that. It was just like, okay, you have soccer. I'm taking you. You want to do this? Okay. Like, there was never anything but support. So I've never, I've never been in an environment. I never thought to be in an environment or been okay in an environment where someone's like, pushing back on just how I am, I'd be like, why? What is this about? Lesley Logan 13:27  What a cool mom. What a cool, like, evolved, healthy. Shanté Cofield 13:33  Super fortunate. Lesley Logan 13:34  Yeah, yes. And also let, like, it allows for you to be you, and then again, be that mirror for other people. So okay, it's called Be It Till You See It because I don't like the way fake it till you make it sounds. And I have always been someone who, like, is like, okay, I don't know how to be the person who runs a business by herself. So what if I had to know? And like, what would I do if I had to know? So that's kind of how I've always run things out. And so one of the things that, like, you know, I followed you for years, and I love about you, like, I find, and I'm sure this is like, literally, what you deal with is, like, so many people are afraid to put themselves out there as either themselves or the person that they would like people to see them as, and you teach that. And also, like, you know, in the last recent shit show we've all been in, I've watched you continue to show up authentically, and so I guess I want to know, like, are there tips for being it till you see it online? Shanté Cofield 14:26  Yeah, yeah. This is why I'm really excited to come on this podcast, because it is something that I've learned, that this is what I do and teach. I didn't go into online space or anything with that be like, this is what I'm gonna help people with. But, you know, Movement and Instagram and online business, it's all just been a vehicle to help people live into themselves and create their best lives. And I didn't realize that that was a difficult thing for people. And I don't see that as like, oh, it's so easy. It was just like, that's not the world that I was in in any way. And so when you start talking about you're like, oh, this is something that's difficult for you, for many reasons. Society is designed so that this is difficult for you, like, and then seeing that be like, okay, let me see what I can do, or what I've been doing, and kind of like, put a process to it, if you will, to try and help people. I think that the most, the simplest, easiest thing, the action item, is do it scared. Like, there's no other way around it. I think that we like to kind of, like, cerebralize things and be like, I'm gonna try and dissect it. And why am I like this? And why do I do something that's helpful and fine, but like, you still have to then do it. There's no that. There's no like, I'm gonna think my way out of this or into this. It's like, I still have to take the action and show up in this way. So if we're waiting to, like, feel better about it, we know that this confidence is a byproduct, right? It's on the other side of action. So there's a line that I give people that I tell people, I'm like, do it scared, right? Yes, there can be action items of, like, accountability, or you're like, I'm working with somebody and like, I just have to show up, I have to post. I've given myself timeframes and constraints so that, because we know deadlines are magic. But the to me, the big take home is there, do it scared. You're probably, it's probably going to feel uncomfortable, it's probably going to feel far and it's probably not going to feel good. You're probably going to be like, having all these thoughts, do it anyway, because the feeling you're searching for, the confidence, all of that, it's on the other side of the action.Lesley Logan 16:17  Yeah, oh yeah. It's really true. Like people so we have, since I last saw you, like, we actually have, like, streamlined so many things. And because of all the coaching I've done for 10 plus years, and because the world made me put everything out in blogs back in the day and videos, we were able to train an actual bot to be me, right? And it's great. It's fabulous. She, she has the best grammar that I never had. I'm like, wow, I love that the internet's helping with the commas. Like, it's so great. But somebody asked my bot, like, you know, a question where, like, you know, confidence came up, and my bot said a very true story about how I had, you know, like, I do these things scared. I'm not always confident with what I'm doing and the person's like, you're not always confident. You seem so confident. And it's so funny, because, like, I think people are so good at seeing what they want to see in other people you know that right there, because they don't see they don't see, oh, she's doing that scared. They see, they only see it as, like, she's confident. And it's really, like, I tell everyone, I do everything, like, as if the roller coaster is like, at the tip and I'm screaming down the other side and hoping I'm just gonna go with the flow of it all, because you get confident from doing the thing you said you're gonna do. Shanté Cofield 17:32  It's on the other side of it. I think, you know, there's also a lot to be said from drawing from data, right? Like, I'm a physical therapist by trade. That's science through and through. It's how my brain works. I want logic. I want reason. I want things to be rational. There's so much to be said to actually generating evidence and generating data first and then then the second part, which is hard for people, is believing it like there's always this discussion around imposter syndrome. There's a lot of, you know, routes we can take and how it's like, societally imposed, and all these other things. And I'm like, for me, part of the rational side of it is, I'm like, maybe you're just not that good yet. If you just started, why would you be good at this thing? So you feeling like, I'm not good enough. It's like, you're right. Clap for yourself. You're right. You're not that good yet. And then we go and we learn the things and we get the rest. And then this is where I see the switch doesn't flip. You have to choose to believe that evidence, because I'll have people that like do the things and I'm like, you've been doing this shit for five years. You're still not confident, like, you have to choose to believe it then. Day one, no, you're not good. Objectively, you're not like, it's okay. Year five. You are better. You have to look at all of this data that you have generated, and then you have to choose to believe it, and then act from that. Can you still and will you still be scared or have feelings about certain things? Yes, but it's typically the new things that you haven't done. Moving forward, you have this new foundation. You have stepping stones that you've literally laid in place yourself, and you have to choose to believe the structural integrity of these things.Lesley Logan 19:01  I I'm obsessed with that (inaudible) and I'll okay, Seth Godin, like, probably this is a decade ago, I was listening to podcasts when I couldn't afford coaching. I was like, these people are my coach. And Seth Godin was like, being asked about imposter syndrome, and he said, if you're new at something, you are, in fact, an imposter. And he's just right, so just feel those feelings, and then take the steps to not be that way. And I was like, and he also said, and then also take it as a sign that you're probably not a narcissist as well. So when you, yeah, because you care. So we can remove now that we've, like, established you're not a crazy ego narcissist and you are new. Allow yourself to be new, but then go do the thing. And I so I have had some people, some teachers, at my house, and they graduate from my mentorship program, and they were here at the house for retreat, and when I was like, oh, I can't do this exercise. I can't do this exercise. And I was like, okay, well, let's just see what you can do. So they do it, and they come right up, and I'm like, so you just did it. Shanté Cofield 19:59  So you can, actually, objectively. Lesley Logan 20:02  Yeah and I'm like, you need to believe in you more than I believe in you. Like, yes, I'm a teacher. Right?Shanté Cofield 20:09  That, that is huge, Lesley, that is huge. And I think that one of the things that I will talk to people about, or say to people as they're on this journey, is borrowing confidence, right? And so when we're starting out and we're new with something, one of the best gifts you can give yourself is if someone chooses to believe in you believe them. And so I think about, you know, you had asked, what the podcast, and I love, by the way, how organized your shit is. But one of the things I was asking, in that little, little pre podcast thing, and I was thinking of like, you know, instances, and for me, it was starting with Rock Tape and starting to teach with them. I did reach out, because I was like, I can do this because I was five years into my career already. It wasn't like day one. I was like, I can get people better. Like, I could do this. I could learn and, like, learn how to teach this. But like, I have a solid foundation. I'm good at what I do. But going into this, one of the women, one of the head woman, Allison, Allison Evans, who is my self-pointed mentor. We still talk like nearly every day. She believed in me, and she really believed that I could do this and could teach and like she put me on stages and helped me, and I was like, I'm going to choose to believe her. And that confidence, I did have to borrow it like I had my own coming in, but any that I needed, I would borrow from her and then use that moving forward, so that one of the best gifts that you can give yourself, if you are foundering, faltering a little bit having unsure about things, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. Lesley Logan 21:34  Ah, I want to put that on replay. Everyone's gonna rewind that. I wanna put that on replay because, like, I it's so true, years it was probably like 20 this was like 2018 and I had and I had, I had been traveling a bit to I was being hired to teach in different countries, and I was always so shocked. I'm like, oh my god, they found me. This is like, you guys, this is 2014-15. I wasn't really doing it on Instagram. They were finding me through like YouTube and then word of mouth. So then it's like 2018, a girlfriend of mine wanted to host this big event. And she was like, she was picking all of her friends to, like, do it, because we believed in her, right? But so I believed in her that she could do this event. And I found myself on a stage, my husband was actually micing me up. There's 85 people in this class, and I was like, Is this mic on? He goes, No. And I was like, I think I'm a little bit nervous. Like, I think there's a mistake here, right? Like, and he goes, why? And I was like, well, I just don't know, like, 85 people. I've never taught 85 people. And I'm looking at this front row, and there's like, famous teachers in the front row and brand new people in the front row, and I'm having just, like, a little having a little moment, a little imposter moment. And he goes, how is this different than anything you've already done? And it was like, I needed to go back and borrow that comment and also be reminded you've actually done this. It's just more people.Shanté Cofield 22:46  That that that you're human, the reminders, the other people, the people that are believing you, that people are giving them around, like, take all of this. Take all of it. Yes, yes. Yes times a million. Lesley Logan 22:57  Yeah, yeah. Um, okay. So you, you have, you went from, I mean, like, I love Rock Tape, thank God for Rock Tape. But between that, Pilates saved my knees and my hips from all my running career. So very appreciative. And then you got into what people would say is, like, a huge pivot, like, I don't know that many people would like the trend of like, oh, you go your physical therapist, and you're a Rock Tape expert, and then you teach people how to be on Instagram. Shanté Cofield 23:27  Yeah, right. Lesley Logan 23:28  So you had the teacher confidence in you from the teaching you've done, but and you had the confidence in what you've put out and what you grew on your own. But what was the be it till you see it? How did you like, how did you set yourself up to, like, coach people on something completely different than what you went to college studying all that?Shanté Cofield 23:45  Totally, totally. I love the phrase that it's be it till you see it, because you're not actually faking it, right? So to me that my, one of my whole sticks is safety and having a safety net. And so from the outside, people will think you've taken massive leaps. And then if they're like, behind the scenes, or if they actually were with you the whole time, they realize, like, there's these little steps that you just, like, didn't fucking stop them. So everything led to the next thing you know, being able to be on social media and being able to teach in person and give presentations came from the fact that I did it for a zillion years, right? Growing up, going through high school, going through college, and then, PT school, you did a million presentations, so like, going and doing more of them. I'm like, this is the same it's actually not an issue at all. Being able to speak to people and connect with people. That's from being a physical therapist like, that's literally all you do all day long, right? This skill set just carries over to the next thing, coaching, things. I've been in sports my whole life. I've been coaching my whole life. So then going into the online business realm, it wasn't so much of a pivot, because I was doing PT. All I did was I took all my PT stuff and I started putting it on Instagram. Because I was like, I started using Instagram simply because I was like, I would like to connect with other people. I didn't do it to this is 2014 right? I didn't do it to start a brand. I didn't do it because, like, no one was really doing it, to be completely honest, in terms of, like, the PT world there was like, (inaudible) was doing it, Perry Nicholson was doing it. But it wasn't like a big thing to see, like, PTs and Kairos just like.Lesley Logan 25:05  Yeah. I know it's hard for people to believe, but there was a window where social media was just social.Shanté Cofield 25:10  Yeah, right, like, here's my breakfast. There was no. Lesley Logan 25:14  I know. Here's a sunrise. I look at the sunrise. I did just look at this tree. Shanté Cofield 25:18  On my high tone filter here. Like it was not, it was like, not a thing. So I was like, okay, I see people doing it. I just want to connect with people and like, I'm, mind you, I'm five years into my career by now. Like, I was like, I can literally just take what I've been doing during the day. Videos was only 15 seconds long. Like, first iPhone didn't even have, like, a camera, I mean, a video on it. Like it was just like, this is very different way of doing things a different time. So I'm taking my PT stuff, I'm putting that on social media. I grow a following behind that, thinking I wanted to work with CrossFitters, but who followed me was other PTs. And I see why, like, looking back, I'm like, the language I was using, how I was showing up. So then I start teaching them things. I'm running courses. So, like, I'm able to run my own courses, because I worked for Rock Tape, at that point, four years. And so I knew how to run a course. I knew how much I would need to charge in order to, like, turn a profit on this. I had connections all around. I launched my personal course in Australia and New Zealand because I had connections from Rock Tape so it wasn't like, how could you launch a course abroad? I'm like, because I've already done literally 500 like, right? It's not a big thing. So from the outside, maybe it looks like that. From the inside, it's like, it's just the next step. As I'm running all these courses, and anytime I would go and they would, I would be specifically asked to teach a course. I by the by the, like, year three of this, I already knew if that facility asked for me specifically, I already knew that owner was going to be like, hey, can we go out to dinner? And then they were going to ask me business stuff. And they were like, going, they were like, gonna be like, I wanna leave. I wanna do something else. So getting asked all these questions, starting to work with those people, but it was just behind the scenes. People didn't know I'm doing it, but I'm like, I've been doing this for years. So then 2019 comes. I start bringing more of it front facing. Jill and I host a live event. That was my first live event with, like, online business. And I was like, okay, this is new, but I'm borrowing confidence from Jill. Jill believes in me. Cool. I'm going to just stay in my lane with this stuff and teach this stuff and go into that even, because I've been doing it like behind the scenes, but not so front facing. And then 2020 I literally just took all the stuff that I was doing behind the scenes and brought it front facing, right so that, and largely what I was doing initially in 2020 was teaching people how teaching people how to bring their presence online. It wasn't so much of the true like launch strategy and things like that that I learned a ton from Jill and then also going through that subsequently. But I started out with what I knew and what I've been helping with people with already. So the pivot felt like a lot like looked like a lot from the outside, but behind the scenes, it was literally like, okay, it's just the next stepping stone, and taking all that I've done with me and using it for the next step. Lesley Logan 27:46  I am so obsessed with the way that you like, talked about what people see on the outside, and then the baby steps behind the scenes, because I do think that they go, oh, you know, Lesley does this, and she does this, and she does this, and so I'm gonna go do these things. And it's like, okay, behind the scenes, there are 20 people who do the million steps. There are, like, from the time I end this call with you, I don't touch this again until a recap episode, and it goes through all the things that does all this stuff. And then I don't, I just hear it on the places you listen to podcasts too. Like, yeah, because, because behind the scenes, you're not, no one's posting. That's boring. No one actually wants to know how many baby steps are back there. But I also want to highlight that you like, you took what you were being asked a lot, and the experiences you were having, and you were utilizing that. And I think where a lot of people, they try to create it from the end point from, like, where this like, oh, here's Shanté on the stage. So I'm going to do what Shanté is doing on the stage, and then what am I going to talk about? What if you, you know, you got to go back behind the scenes, and like you mentioned earlier, where it's like, I didn't know people had a hard time doing this thing that came so easy to me. And I think, like for anyone listening, if you're wondering what you might be doing, whatever you think is easy, someone else, a lot of other people, think is so hard. They think it's so hard.Shanté Cofield 29:02  That, you're like, oh, I had no idea. Oh, I think that that gets at kind of like, one thing we haven't discussed is, like the societal implications, right? Like, how society and patriarchy and supremacy culture play into all of this, and we are fed this lie that success requires struggle, right, there's a difference. Success requires hard work, but not struggle. So if you go back to this, the surfer analogy, this would be like, you don't know how to swim. You hate the water. There's sharks in there. And people think like, that's how you have to do it in order to be able to like surf. And I'm like, you should maybe stay on land and, like, play volleyball, like, don't do something else, don't even like swimming. Like, what are you? Why do we think we have to be the struggle and such? Yes, there is hard work, but it is with things that you enjoy doing, with people you enjoy being around. And then it doesn't feel like this, like, God, I'm like, pulling teeth, and it's the worst thing ever. I truly believe that humans, left to their own devices, they will create, they will work hard, they will do so much. People are not inherently lazy. We all know, anyone that's listening to this, you have any if you've ever created something of anything, and you're like, I like this thing. You will stay up all night, you'll miss meals, you'll skip these things. I just want to finish this thing like that, it's in us, but we fed this lie that we have to struggle and we have to suffer and it has to be the worst thing ever. It doesn't have to be yes, it's a lot of work. Yes, we should probably expand our timelines for things, right? We'd have timelines in terms of minutes and I'm like, make it years and you'll never fail. Yeah, right now it's minutes and you're like, I didn't do it yet. But if you are finding things, leaning into these things and like, Hey, I'm naturally good at it. That's a good thing. But we're kind of taught, oh, you're naturally good at it. It's easy. That means that you're lazy, or that if you're if you're going to do that, that means that, like, you're taking the easy route, and that's bad. And it's like, no, do the things that you like, do the things that come easily, that that is great. That's what we're going for, not this life of like I hate the things I have to go to, where I have to do this, I have to struggle and suffer for it to be worthwhile. No, no, absolutely not. Lesley Logan 31:06  No. And I think there's, I love the distinction of hard work versus struggle. And you mentioned that, like, like, the the interesting thing, I don't know, intriguing, the crazy thing about the society that we are in currently, it is, like, before I before I before I go on this with you, my team is like, hey, which of these podcasts do you want us to pitch you to? I was like, looking and I'm like, you guys, anything that is just looks like an alpha male, like you can just say no. Like, you don't, you don't have to ask me. I don't care if it's a point 1% podcast. I don't care if I'm the first expert ever. They want to talk about Pilates and how it's good for them. Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, like, I cannot handle that vibe, and I don't need to. I can work hard and not struggle, and that would be a struggle, right? So, like, you know, I I like, no. And I think what a lot of people have done online is like, oh, that's popular. What this dickhead over here is doing is doing is popular, and using the red and the orange, and, like, claiming out, I'm gonna eat only steak and so I'm gonna go that way, you know. And like, people have forgotten to, like, be themselves and be different.Shanté Cofield 32:11  This, this, this, this, this times a million times a million. We're looking at sustainability as well, right? Like, sustainability and longevity, because that's what the play should be, being anything but yourself is unsustainable, yeah? Like, it may bring it might bring you flash in the pan, success. It might it absolutely, you might be able to trend track something and ride that wave for a short term. You might. But we also see, we've seen it publicly in social media, where people are like, I have to stop doing social media. I built this thing. I hate it. I have this massive audience. It's fake. I don't like it. And it's like, yeah. And I'm also thinking about, we're just seeing the end product of that right, where they're just like, I'm so unhappy. I have to, like, stop this person's been living like that for however long. Like, that's not, life is short, man, we're not here to be miserable every day and baking this thing like, I love that you're not this fake it till you make it. I'm like, people be faking it till they die, you know. Like, that's not.Lesley Logan 33:13  It's not it. It's really not so. And talk about like imposters, and you'll never feel that way. I'll so Martha Stewart is not one of my favorite people in the world, although she's a badass and like, let's just give her that. And also, she hasn't been to prison. That was a, just, just a woman doing something a man does, and they're gonna put her in prison. Yeah, so if they want to imprison them on it, then fine, I'm okay with it. But if we're not doing that anyways, different argument. But she had her version of The Apprentice. Like, when I was like, you know, I don't know, maybe was in college or in high school, and I remember someone said, well, we gotta fake it till you make it. And Martha said, We never fake anything around here. And I was like, I mean, come on, Martha, you fake a little bit, right? Like, like, I had this thing. Like, I just remember, and I remember that going, like, really, you don't fake anything. And then as I got older, and I started, like, evaluate I was doing, I was like, I'm not faking anything. This is me. But like, acting like if I had the if I knew how that worked, or if I wasn't scared. So it's just, you know, when we think of what actors do, we don't call them faking it when they're on white lotus, they are acting like this weird character. You know, it gives me nightmares. Yeah? So it's just like, you get to act like the person who would have the confidence you act like the person, who is doing the hard work but not struggling, that helps you make decisions that you can filter through until you are you realize one day you woke up and you are that person. That's who you are, because that's who you always were.Shanté Cofield 34:32  That, that last part though. Lesley, I think that's really huge, because that's who you always were. There's something to be said, if you really sit and dissect this, like, be it till you see it, it's not faking it because, like, it is you, like, maybe you don't know this thing, but it's still you, it's still you choosing to do this. It's still you having the confidence to do this thing. You're not lying to saying to someone and being like, I'm a surgeon, like, that is different. That's completely different, but it is you. But there is no fake to this, like, whether or not it's just the nuance and the verbage there is that you don't have the like, the confidence that you believe someone who's like been this way for a long time has, but it's still you, still in it. Lesley Logan 35:17  Speaking of still you, you've always been the person that I like look to when it's like, okay, what's going on with Instagram? Like, what's going on this thing? Lesley, just get out of your fucking way and do, just do a just do the thing. Like, I'm just like, such a reluctant Instagrammer, because I've done so well with the YouTubes and the other things and so to me, like, I'm just kind of like, I don't, I always hop on trends. Like, I'm like, I'm just like, here's, I'm too busy actually. So here's here's here's a picture of me and my assistant, and I'll get back to you next week, because I got a lot to do, but something that like you I I've been watching you, and you're so good, and you are so creative, and you're always so consistent. And also, after the election, you, to me, I think on the outsider's perspective, people might have thought you were pivoting. You were being you in my, because, maybe because I know you behind the scenes a bit, but like, it didn't seem like a pivot. It seemed like you just got, like, turning the volume up on you. How did is that what you felt like you were doing? Do you feel like you were like, do you did you have pushback when people say you've changed?Shanté Cofield 36:19  There was no, this is a great question. There was no overt pushback. There was obviously, like, losing of followers, right? So there's like a silence pushback, if you will. But I, flip side of that is I didn't have anyone that was like, stay in your lane or stick to politics. Like no one said anything to me. They were just like, okay, I'm gonna show myself the door. And I'm like, that's cool. I also will say, I don't look at numbers. I hate looking at numbers. I hate when people are like so in the numbers, because I also believe that, especially on Instagram, a lot of numbers are fake, not even like people buying followers. I'm like in you think that 60,000 people like this is Instagram with fake money, right? Using house money and rewarding certain behavior and being like, hey, we like what you're doing. We're going to give you followers, don't like what you're doing, we're going to take them away. Like, the metrics that I want people looking at, if we're going to talk Instagram, is going to be your actual interaction. How many comments are you getting, and are they real? Like, are you talking to people? How many DMs? How many conversations are you having? That's the stuff that I care about. And while I lost quote, unquote followers, or I should say, well, I lost quote, unquote followers, that's what I want to be quoting there, my engagement and my DMs did not go down. I got more comments on the post that I've been doing since the election. So I'm like, I'm good actually, and I think that my audience this is I've been showing up this way long enough of just like this is me, and what topic am I speaking about? Right? My whole shtick has been, build, create, live your best life, and we're doing it with authenticity, because otherwise it's not sustainable. It's not your best life. It's some caricatures, you know, best life. And I've just used vehicles right, across the years. It's been vehicles, it's been physical therapy, it's been Movement, it's been Instagram, it's been online business. And now I, you know, I'm just speaking to certain points that are just like this, just, like this, just, we're just talking about life now, there's nothing in in between to like, create metaphors for you. We're just talking about life. I'm just asking you to look at the things that you're doing on the day to day, and the things that are happening around us and the implications of that, and speaking to that. So, you know, it hasn't been difficult in the sense of showing up that way, but it has been difficult for me to have the desire to put out what I consider to be trivial things. I understand it can be helpful for certain people, but like, that's not where I'm at. I also have, like, this kind of, like internal clock that, like, kind of resets every five years when I'm like, okay, something new. So PT was five years, and then the last three I was teaching and shifting away from treating, and then 2020 hit, and I'm, you know, doing all online business. I'm like, it's 2025 my clock is like, yeah, next step. What? What else is there? Lesley Logan 38:51  I love that you have that awareness of yourself. I felt like I have a seven year clock. And I only learned that, like in the like, last year, I was like, kind of felt like, like, I felt like I was claustrophobic in my own clothes, you know. And, you know, here's the thing, like, again, behind the scenes, no one can see what we're having to do to pivot businesses, you know. And it takes time and what I just love that you mentioned, like, it's hard to post about trivial things, or things that feel trivial to me. It has, I will be honest, like, in the ever since, like, the last year, of like, oh, fuck, this is where we're headed. I'm like, does it really? Do you really need a fucking tip on that? Because there's a YouTube video like, I I'm trying to figure that. I'm trying to figure out, how do I, like, how do I as female business owner who coaches female business owners whose clients are coming in and telling them stupid shit about the economy, who's making them doubt that they should raise their rates, even though their rent went up, their utilities went up. Like, the cost to have employees went up. Like, yeah, you have to raise your rates, because that's the only way you stay in business. It's you are not a charity. You are a. Business. If you want to be a charity, go file for that. You know, I am so I I appreciate that, because I had, I found like, you know, not just like, what has gone on with politics, but like, in the last month, we had something happen in our family, and I'm like, I just, I have these brands who want me to post something I I'm sorry, like, I'm gonna fail you right now, what I love is like, you're such, you are human, and you give so many people permission to be that. And I didn't even post a ton. Mostly was all my stories. I was like, if you follow me, like, you're gonna get the real me. And then the stories is where it is. And I people, you know, I just really liked it when you didn't talk about politics. And I said, I'm so sorry. I'm a female business owner that is political. Like, like, I might have privileges of a white person, but like, I'm still a female business owner who literally only gets people to answer things if I, I have my husband on calls for things. Like, I have a I have, like, here it's your job.Shanté Cofield 40:51  People are people, audacity. I wish that the people we coach and people listening to this have the audacity of that person. It comes into your DMs and is like, here's how you should run your account. I wish we all had that audacity. Lesley Logan 41:04  Yes, yes. Oh, my God. Shanté Cofield 41:06  Where did that come from? Lesley Logan 41:07  Yes, we need to find these people. Like, teach them audacity because it's what, that's the word, it is. And like, I just said, I said, oh, you know, this is my account. Like, so I I said, I was just like, this is my account. And like, I think rights are, are actually, like, just real and human rights. But if you don't like hearing about that, you don't have to follow me here. You can just go for free and go on YouTube. In fact, they'll make sure whatever ads you get the ones you wanted. And you can, you can actually just search for the content that you want from me, and if you want to pay for it. In my membership group, we don't talk about politics, but just remember, everything is.Shanté Cofield 41:43  Exactly. Everything is political, and people see that. I'm like, you're just saying that it hasn't affected you. I'm like, but it is. It hasn't affected you in a negative way. I'm like, it's just affecting you, but positively or neutrally, like. So it hasn't been hard to switch to speak about that it's been hard to like, you said, the behind the scenes, business side of things. Like, I run, my number one program that I run is an Instagram intensive, and I haven't run it this year because I'm just like, what do I want to do with this thing? Like, how do I want this thing to look? How do I do I want to do this? Am I wanting to encourage people to go and spend their time with this? Is this company that doesn't give shits of value? Like, there's a lot of thinking around the the intentionality piece. And I'm fortunate in a fortunate place that I like have, I have the savings to be able to, like, chill out, and I have other programs going on, and I already have clients that I can be been working with one on one, so I can hold off on that thing. But that, that has been the only difficulty, but.Lesley Logan 42:38  I thank you for sure, because I think, like when everything went down, I had people in my group going, I don't, I don't want to post on these platforms, because I don't want to give them anything. And I was like, okay, first of all, I agree. Like, I like, just know that, like, thank you. And also, what I will always coach you on is you have to be where they your people are. So where are your people? Because if they are there, then if you're not there, then some dude on rib-eye steak for three meals a day is gonna sell to them. Like they're gonna, they're gonna buy the solution to their problem. So then it's kind of like, how do we play in the field, you know, like, how do we do it? And so that's always been a game. It's always been the game like, how do we play in this, like, the sandbox that gets them out of that sandbox and over into the sandbox we want to play in.Shanté Cofield 43:25  Absolutely, the intentionality and taking a moment and, like, again, bang, bang. Having time is a luxury, right? Time is to me, like, it circles back to being a conversation of, like, what ultimately I wanted, and having this lifestyle business. It's the translation of that is having time flexibility and having time ownership, right? Where I have the time to sit and Covid, we saw the importance of time during Covid. We call it the great pause, because it gave people a moment to be like, wait, what do I want? How do I want to do things? Do I believe in this? Do I agree with this? When we're living in a world that's so fast paced, and you just have to, like, you're just trying to eat, you're just trying to, like, get through the day, you don't have the luxury, you don't the ability to sit and think and be like, so intentional with things, right? It's all by design, right? I can sound like a tin hat. I don't care. It's all by design. I'm in a place where I have the luxury to sit and be like, okay, I want to be intentional in community, super intentional with my business and how I'm showing up and how I'm helping people. What does that look like? Like I totally agree, there's a huge (inaudible) and when it comes to social media, because it's like, yes, these businesses and supporting them, and you're like, But the flip side is, how do I support my people? And if it's like, I have to stay with this nonsense and in this sandbox so that I can reach these people, because that's where they're at, I'm going to do that. And yes, I'm going to have to move them somewhere else and do other things and show up with my values and encourage them to do the same. But you know, this is taking a beat, taking a moment to really fit and identify that, and not just being like, knee jerk, like, I'm done with it all. And like, yeah, I'm burning it all down. It's like, if that's what you want to do, fine, but I'm looking at what's the outcome of that. Why am I doing that? And if my goal is to be able to help people and like, let me take a moment and figure out what feels best and how I want to do that. Lesley Logan 45:01  Yeah, I could talk to you forever, Shanté, I'm just obsessed. And really, we need to have a hang next time you're here, next time I'm there, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Shanté Cofield 45:12  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 45:13  All right, Shanté, where do you hang out? And we said Instagram. But also, like, give them all the deets. Where can they stalk you in a good way?Shanté Cofield 45:19  Yeah, the deets, I try to keep everything consistent, is just type in The Movement Maestro anywhere, and it'll come up, and then you can do whatever you want with it. My website, movementmaestro.com, Instagram, The Movement Maestro. I'm on threads as The Movement Maestro, and that's the easiest, the easiest thing, if you want to chat, I'm in my DMs. I haven't been posting as much as I usually do, but I will answer a DM in two seconds. I don't like email, so go to my website and email me, but I probably won't get back to you. Someone from my team may get back, maybe. Maybe I'll have Rupert, my cat, get back, but (inaudible).Lesley Logan 45:51  Oh, I will tell you how I got out of my inbox, and I'm loving it. Now I have to, actually, my sister's like you do have to go and respond to the five that I couldn't do. I was like, okay, alright, I'll get there. All right. You have truly given us so much, but you know, we, it would, wouldn't be Be It Till You See It Podcast without the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it? What do you have for us?Shanté Cofield 46:11  We're going to circle back, because repetition is key. Once is never, and I'm going to say what I said before. Just do it scared, right? The confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So, do it scared.Lesley Logan 46:27  Yeah, yeah. We firmly believe in that. We cosign on that. And once you do it scared, make sure you let The Movement Maestro know and let Be It Pod know because then we can celebrate you. Because guess what? Celebration is how habits are created. That's how the dopamine hits the brain. It's all science people, all right, loves. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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  For most of medical history, women's health has been largely overlooked and misunderstood. But after years of a general lack of awareness about the important phase of perimenopause, today there are some incredible health experts taking charge of this conversation. Today, you're going to hear from one of the leading advocates of women's health and perimenopause.   Dr. Mariza Snyder is a physician and bestselling author who is on a mission to help women thrive while navigating perimenopause. Her new book, Perimenopause Revolution is a powerful guide to understanding this profound hormonal shift, and how to take control of your hormones and your health.   In this interview, you're going to learn about the hormones that are at play during perimenopause and menopause and how they affect the body at the systemic level. We're also going to cover the critical role of metabolic health during hormonal shifts, the lifestyle habits that can help mitigate perimenopause symptoms, and so much more. I hope you enjoy this interview with Dr. Mariza Snyder!   In this episode you'll discover:  The connection between perimenopause and weight gain. (9:25)  Why perimenopause is a neuroendocrine transition. (10:20)  How transitioning away from rhythmically cycling hormones affects the body. (11:53)  Which hormone is the master CEO of the brain. (15:08)  How many doctors' visits on average it takes for a woman to get answers. (19:15)  Why perimenopause is like a second puberty. (23:32)  The importance of understanding blood sugar during perimenopause. (31:04)  How cortisol affects blood sugar. (33:36)   The #1 factor that influences metabolic health. (40:34)   What the biggest metabolic hack is. (43:03)  How to use exercise snacks to support your metabolism. (45:14)  What to do if you experience an afternoon crash in energy. (49:54)  The importance of sleep consistency. (52:43)  Strategies for dealing with feeling tired but wired. (58:22)  The connection between mental health and perimenopause. (1:00:50)  Why perimenopause is a critical time to honor your boundaries and self-care. (1:06:04)  The beauty of listening to your body. (1:07:07)   Items mentioned in this episode include:  WildPastures.com/model  - Get 20% off every box plus an additional $15 off!   Beekeepersnaturals.com/model  - Save up to 30% on natural remedies!  Levels.link/model  - Join today and get 2 free months with a one-year membership!   Use This Proven Formula to Boost Neuroplasticity  - Hear Dr. Patrick Porter's interview!   7 Habits That Slow Down Aging  - Hear about the power of a consistent sleep schedule!  The Secret to Learning Faster - Listen to Jim Kwik's interview!   The Perimenopause Revolution by Dr. Mariza Snyder  - Preorder the book today!   Connect with Dr. Mariza Snyder Website / Podcast / Facebook / Instagram   Be sure you are subscribed to this podcast to automatically receive your episodes:   Apple Podcasts  Spotify  Soundcloud  Pandora  YouTube   This episode of The Model Health Show is brought to you by Wild Pastures and Beekeeper's Naturals.   Get 100% grassfed and finished beef, pasture raised chicken, and other nutrient dense, regenerative meats. Sign up with my link to get 20% of for life, plus an additional $15 off your first box at wildpastures.com/model.    Reinvent your medicine cabinet for with clean, effective products powered by the beehive & backed by science. Claim up to a 30% discount at beekeepersnaturals.com/model. 

Lesley Logan brings you another round of Friday wins to inspire your week. She shares a powerful story of fathers reuniting with daughters, a community win about commitment and accountability, and her own personal milestone with Brad. This episode is all about connection, celebration, and remembering there's room for you at the table.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The power of a prison daddy-daughter dance that reunited families.How Melissa and Lisa reignited their Pilates practice through weekly partner sessions.Why honoring small commitments with an accountability buddy matters.What 10 years of marriage taught Lesley about celebrating past choices.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsGod Behind Bars - https://godbehindbars.comGod Behind Bars Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/godbehindbars If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah.Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. Happy Friday. We made it. We did it. We're here. I am so excited for these short episodes, because they're just, they're here to inspire you. And honestly, like, sometimes, like, we were kids, like, didn't we, like, live for Fridays. And now it's kind of like, okay, we made it. We survived. There's a lot going on. There's a lot always going on. There's always been that way. But these episodes are here to remind you that there's still things that you can celebrate. There's still good stuff that's happening. You're still doing things, even if around you, if it just feels like chaos and overwhelm. So I share a winof yours, a win of mine, also some inspiration from something that I saw, that we can all think about, celebrate or get mad about, and then a little mantra for you to take with you on your way. And hopefully it's something you can share with a friend or run a Post-It, and I love for you to your share your wins, to send them into the beitpod.com/questions. But this really inspired me. So this is really, really cool. 16 incarcerated fathers were reunited with their daughters for a daddy-daughter dance held inside the prison. Freaking the coolest thing the prison system, like bothers me so much because we don't do a really good job like rehabilitating people, making people feel like human beings. We treat them like animals, and we want them to act like a human and like Maslow's hierarchy of needs is like a real thing. So this is so cool, and it's so it says, for a few sacred hours, San Quentin didn't feel like prison. The prison chapel transformed into a holy ground, draped walls, soft music, a red carpet, floral centerpieces replaced concrete and coldness. For a moment, it was hard to believe we were still in a maximum security prison. Outside, 16 incarcerated fathers stood waiting, some in suits for the first time, others trembling as they tied ties with unsteady hands. They waited for years, for this moment, some decades, then the doors open. There's actually like a whole documentary on YouTube. Now I gotta go watch it. But the daughter stepped on the red carpet, little girls in bright dresses, grown women with hearts full of ache and hope. One by one, they walked into arms that had long to hold them. I'm gonna cry. Fathers fell at their knees in tears. Prodigals reunited. Kelon hadn't held his daughter in 20 years. Carrington wept as his daughters hugged him for the first time. Steven danced with his “bundle of joy.” Vincent read a handwritten letter to his daughter Autumn, filled with love, apology, and redemption. It wasn't just beautiful.
It was sacred.
It was the Gospel, tangible, trembling, alive. You made it happen. You gave 21 daughters dresses, flights, hotel rooms, corsages, a meal, and a memory they'll never forget. You brought heaven to prison. You reminded these men: they are still dads. And reminded these girls: they are still daughters. This wasn't just an event.
This was healing.
This was hope.
This was holy. Anyways, there's a the handle that handled that did this is God Behind Bars are doing another father-daughter dance in Angola prison. This year, you can donate $10 a month or anything to help for pay for tuxes, family travel, dresses, food and so much more. You can go to Godbehindbars.com. Like, however you feel about religion. Like, I just think that this is just like the most impactful thing for people in their lives. Like, people make mistakes, people are put in situations that things happen, and our justice system is really not always just. And so I just am this just really melts my heart. And like, how cool, how cool. And I'm from California, up past where San Quentin is. We drive by it, and it's like, just not a place you want to be. And like, the fact that they took the time to do this, to make people feel like the human beings that they are, and really help establish relationships that like can be helpful for for reestablishing these people in society, if they ever get to like, it's humongous. It's a huge deal. So anyways, that is what inspired me. There can be inspiration, right? Lesley Logan 4:16  Okay, a win of yours. Melissa Hargrove, someone I was been around in our lives for a long time and just really inspires me all the time. She said, wanted to share an ongoing win. After our eLevate retreat in March, I reconnected with my OG partner, Lisa. We decided to make a commitment to get together and practice our original goal was to find as much time as we could and do duets with Lesley. After the first lesson, we knew we needed more. We have more duets scheduled through September. Go us! And taking it a step further, we decided to try to do our best to meet weekly, even just to do a Joe's gym or just move. Today, we opted to do the June chair class, It Takes Two, and I'm pretty sure I can speak for us both that we dusted that piece of equipment and we have a new reignited passion for it. So thank you, Lisa for finding time to work with me. And just proud that we have been able to keep the commitment to our practice. I told her today that had we not done the class together it would have taken me two hours to do it, because I would have had to pause, pet my cat, get a drink, maybe change the laundry and so on. But holy cow, when you flow at a brisk pace without pausing, it feels amazing. So thanks again, Lisa for keeping us on point and LL for an inspiring class. Yeah, I want to add to this win. Because you know what, Melissa Hargrove, your partner, Lisa, put a win up that adds to this. So here we go and adding on to that win. This is Melissa. Melissa. I wanted to add to this win this week after already doing two Pilates classes Tuesday, Melissa joined me for our scheduled practice session. I am so very grateful for her commitment to our practice together. It means so much that she did not cancel. As I was looking forward to moving with her, we agreed to do a 30 minute session, which was a win win for both of us since I had the opportunity to walk and do a stair climbing session in 95 degree heat at lunch. Glad we could support each other and can find the time and the win in any situation. Way to go ladies. So this is why Be It Till You See It exists. This is what we're here to do, bring people together, bring women together. Remind you that like you can, right? You can have counterparts that like will show up even when you're like, I don't really want to do this, and this happens all the time. I'm sure I'll have a win coming up with some of our other OPC members who literally get together every Wednesday at 8am to do the workout that they're members of. You know, sometimes it does take that kind of village, and it's okay to take that village time. It's okay to ask for help. It's okay to have an accountability buddy, but this is really important to me. When you make an accountability buddy, you guys need to be completely honest and thoughtful of the other person, so that you don't start canceling here and canceling there, like, oh, it's just 30 minutes. No, show up for each other, right? It helps the other person make time for themselves as well. So I really love this lady. Thank you so much for inspiring us to move our bodies, but also to connect with other people in our lives and realize, like we need each other too. We need to be there too. Lesley Logan 4:39  Okay, so my win, I had a win to share with you. I'm gonna save that win for next week. It's already a little delayed to share with you, so I'm gonna share it because a win is actually, I wish I had Brad here. Tomorrow's our 10 year wedding anniversary. 10 years, holy moly. We're celebrating together. I think we'll actually be together for it, because we're in Chicago, so we'll celebrate it together, and we're like, usually we're on a plane and like, because of the time travel distance, like the third just disappears in our lives. And so multiple anniversaries that we haven't been together, but this one, we get to do it together, doing something we love, with people we love to be around at, Pilates On Tour in Chicago. I know you're like, 10 years how is that like? That's that's a win. It's a win not because, like, it's like a struggle to stay married to him or anything like that, but just that we like continually make time to be with each other and to make sure that we're doing things together that are fun, and we challenge each other in really amazing ways. He challenges me to put things away in an actual spot. I challenged him to be on time. You know, these are, these are these are wins for two ADHD people in the same household. But truly, I'm so blessed. I'm so grateful. And recently, we were sharing how we met, because people always want to know how we met, and maybe that's a podcast episode for a different day, but whenever we get to tell it now that we've been married 10 years, there's there's something really cool about, like, looking back on the people that we were who chose each other and we chose to do something really scary, and that's a win. So here we are celebrating 10 years of marriage. And it's not that the 10 years of marriage is what I'm celebrating for us. I'm, like, kind of celebrating our past selves, making really huge decisions that could have easily been written off and, like, not made a priority. So huge thanks to Brad and Lesley in their early 30s for the things that they did, but also just for all the people in our lives who have been friends along the way, who've become family, and that's our win. 10 years of marriage. I love it. I love you. You're amazing. Lesley Logan 8:58  Okay, let me get you an affirmation to repeat with your on yourself, on your drive, on your walk. There's room for me at the table. There is room for me at the table. There is. Take a seat. You know, sometimes we think, oh, I don't want to bother people, oh, and I'll be I don't have enough accolades. Oh, who am I to do this? My neighbor recently, saw the G7 he's like, oh my god, don't, don't write my thing down. Like, who am I to be here? And like, what he actually is there to do, like, change the lives of people in this world and the politicians that are there need to hear what he has to say. There's room for you at the table. There's room for me at the table. Love you so much, and you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 9:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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What happens when life forces you to stop, reflect, and rebuild? In this recap, Lesley and Brad unpack their conversation with wellness coach and the Balanced Your Life Podcast host Meghan Pherrill, who transformed her life after battling OCD, depression, and anxiety. They reflect on how Meghan's journey shows the power of starting small, listening to your intuition, and choosing practices that spark joy. This episode will inspire you to rethink your habits, embrace imperfection, and create a life rooted in balance and authenticity.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Meghan's breakup became a turning point for self-discovery.Why healing from OCD required both slow shifts and sudden breakthroughs.The importance of starting with one simple habit and sticking with it.How support systems can either hold you back or help you grow.Meghan's meditation guide for creating lasting calm and balance.Episode References/Links:Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comWinter Tour - https://opc.me/tourPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsEpisode 580: Wendy Valentine - https://beitpod.com/580Meghan Pherrill Website - https://www.balancebymeghan.comBalance Your Life Podcast - https://www.balancebymeghan.com/podcastInternational OCD Foundation - https://iocdf.org If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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If you don't, you're not going to get that habit. If it feels like it's shameful or like you're judging yourself, it's possible that's not your intuition and you're following someone else's. Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the restorative combo I had with Megan Farrell in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the episode and you are not new here, you know what to do. If you're brand new here, hi, we're gonna talk about something that already happened, and you can listen. If you're like me, you'd listen to this one and then you listen to the other one. Or you can be like, Brad and pause us now. Brad Crowell 1:23  You do that? Lesley Logan 1:24  Of course. I want, when we watch The Crown, do I not look up the historical facts before we finish?Brad Crowell 1:31  She does. She always looks up the ending. Yeah, I watch it from start to finish.Lesley Logan 1:34  I need, sometimes I get just nervous, and I just need to know how it's going to be, so that I can sit and pay attention. Because sometimes I'm just so nervous for them. They're like, I can't you saw my stress results after watching F1. Brad Crowell 1:47  Yes, I did. Lesley Logan 1:48  So you guys, we saw the F1 movie, and mostly I went for the Brad Pitt part, but my friend said it was just on edge of her seat, and so I looked at my WHOOP and, like, heart rate monitor and you can see from the horror film preview to the end of the movie of the of the F1 you can actually see every time they had a race, because my heart would spike for every race, and I just like, can someone just tell me if he wins this race? So I can just enjoy the race, because I can't enjoy the race right now because I'm so stressed for him. So that's why I like to listen to these kinds of episodes, podcasts, and then I listen to the one.Brad Crowell 1:48  Yeah, yeah, okay.Lesley Logan 1:52  Today is October 2nd, 2025, in case you didin't know, it is the day before our 10th year wedding anniversary. Brad Crowell 2:37  What? Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 2:39  But it's also the actual day of International Day of Non-Violence. Today, we celebrate the birthday of a man who helped bring forward the notion of non violence and the tremendous impact this form of social response has all over the world in the last century. On the International Day of Non-Violence created by the United Nations in 2007, we look back on the influence of an Indian activist born Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, but known the world over as Mahatma Gandhi. The International Day of Non-Violence honors how Gandhi's work and legacy has impacted global non-violent protests. The UN has good reason to use Gandhi's birthday to celebrate International Day of Non-Violence. Gandhi's commitment to India's independence and his methods have been the cornerstone of civil and human right initiatives all over the world. Put simply, Gandhi saw it as completely irrational to use violence to achieve peace. But rather just means.Brad Crowell 3:29  But rather, just means lead to just ends.Lesley Logan 3:32  Oh, but rather comma just means lead to just ends. Period. Got it, okay. This is a lesson we can all take to heart. I mean, I completely agree, you know.Brad Crowell 3:43  Yeah, it's, it's amazing that, especially in, you know, when he died in 1940s like late 40s, and his message spread all around the world, which is amazing, because, no, no computers, no email, no social media. Lesley Logan 4:01  Did you ever wonder? But do you wonder, like, would Mahatma Gandhi actually be famous today? Do you know what I mean? Because, like, some of the people we looked to were like, wow, like, would they actually keep the attention of the people who are like, hold on, let me see this kid, like, try lemon for the first time. I just, I just kind of like. Brad Crowell 4:19  Or drink Coke for the first time. Lesley Logan 4:20  Here's my, my faith in humanity's ability to, like, take, take seriously things that are serious is, like, dwindling every day. Lesley Logan 4:34  Yeah. I mean. Lesley Logan 4:35  We don't even know what's happened today when this comes out. I'm telling you, we're recording this in August, so, like, who knows what has happened to people's rights between August and August 2nd because it feels like every day they're trying to take someone's rights, or some city's rights away. We're talking about the U.S.Brad Crowell 4:50  Over the weekend, in the U.S., the federal government deployed troops to 17 cities, or something like that.Lesley Logan 4:57  I think they threatened 17. Brad Crowell 4:57  Or they, like, they we're gonna take, yeah. Lesley Logan 4:58  But by the time this has happened, maybe it's happened, but by the time we're recording this, no. So right now, they're in D.C. and they're threatening to go to Chicago and something else, but, like.Brad Crowell 5:08  They're in L.A. and D.C., yeah. Lesley Logan 5:10  And, you know, like, I just, I mean, it's all control, right? The more they have you scared, the more they have you changing your life, you know, then it's one day you wake up, it's too late, you can't even vote. So keep protesting. Go find a protest. There's a woman who's 104 I think she turned 104 two months ago. She protests every Thursday. Every Thursday. She is 104 she has very few days left on this planet, and she's like, I'm gonna spend one of every seven protesting for people's rights. We are not going to be here. Brad Crowell 5:44  She's not going to be here for them. Lesley Logan 5:45  She's not going to be here, right? Someday she will go. So I'm just saying, you, too.Brad Crowell 5:50  Yeah, but I think also, the thing, you know, like, we've been.Lesley Logan 5:54  By the way, we all boycott Target and look what happened. CEO is gone. So these things work.Brad Crowell 5:58  Well, the point of it is, is not necessarily the, the action of boycotting is important and and like, you know, making your voice heard. But I think that the key here is the non violent part, right? And I'll tell you, it's really challenging when you know the police are out in force or the military is out in force. It's very scary feeling to be in a crowd and, you know, see a clash, and you know that's, that is, we haven't been around like extreme violence, but we've been around like high pressure, like, environments where you're like, oh, if somebody does one thing stupid, this could all blow up. Right? Lesley Logan 6:42  I got really nervous at that one protest because this guy kept taunting the police and I was like, let's just go over here, because, like, it just, he's acting a little crazy. They're going to take it crazier, and then, who knows, but.Brad Crowell 6:55  But that's where I feel like that's why we need to focus on the non-violence, because it's important to make our voices heard. We have to make our voices heard. If we don't do that, then there are people who will make decisions that will that will hurt us, right, as a society and, literally, individually. But how do we do that in a way that doesn't make us exactly like them? Right?Lesley Logan 7:20  Yeah, well, you're going to call your congress person and senator every day. You are going to not pick every single company to boycott. I get it, lifestyle, we gotta do something. You know, we still shop in these places I'm not happy about, but you gotta, like, pick, like, I'm not doing these places or I'm gonna do, we did an FYFwhere I explained how you could, like, boycott in a way that was, like, successful for you and where your life is. You could borrow things. You can also, like, let's say you have a (inaudible), you don't have time to go out on a Saturday to go protest. Okay, great. So then, how can you help promote protests? How can you make sure that everyone you know goes out? Like, how can you do that? And, you know, there's just, there's just, there's always a way, no matter what your situation is. But I get that you're busy and I get that you're tired. I get that you're scared. We don't have time for that. And if you don't listen live in this country, and you're having to listen to us every Thursday talking about this, tell your American friends to get the fuck up and do some action, non-violent action. You know, we gotta do it. You know, it's just so important. And I promise you, you feel better after you do it. Non-violence, to me, does not mean telling people, like yelling what you want to yell out. That's what you could do at a protest. It's quite nice. I find it cathartic. Yeah, oh, I have a fit. We're, did we share this already? So we were at a protest, and there's like some dickhead on his little vape sucky thing, can't even handle, can't handle grown people with, like, a little passy. Anyways, he's like, flipping us off, and the guys next to us are like, oh, I'm gonna pray for you. And he's like, they hate that. And I was like, oh yeah. Thoughts and prayers. So if you have some dickhead, fascist, loving person in your life, you can just be like when they flip you off or they call you some, don't worry, I'll be praying for you. Brad Crowell 9:05  Yeah, thoughts and prayers. thoughts and prayers. Lesley Logan 9:06  Thoughts and prayers for you and your children. Anyways, today. Do you have anything more to say? Lesley Logan 9:12  I know Gandhi is great. Have you watched the movie? Go watch it. If you're like, Gandhi, I haven't thought about in a while. There's a movie about him. I'm sure there's some, I'm sure you can get chatgpt to give you the Cliff Notes as well, you know. But like. Brad Crowell 9:23  It's worth watching. Lesley Logan 9:25  I think it's worth watching. I think it's we, it's nice to learn about. If people think that this is all new, none of, none of what we're going through is new. Brad Crowell 9:33  The same stuff happened in the 60s. I mean, we're we're recycling, we're recycling fascism. I mean, it happened in the 40s and 30s, 20s.Lesley Logan 9:43  And they, and I love this, if we don't learn history, we're doomed to repeat it. People do, do learn history, and they're still repeating it, you know. So it's also, I think a lot of people who think that, like they could never be in a cult, they could never fall for that. They could never understand coercion, because they would never let that happen. And yet, they're also the same, people, very coerced. So, you know, take some time to learn about Gandhi today. And what can you do that's non-violent today to protest what you're pissed off about? Tell us what you decided to do. Tag us in the Be It Pod. We'll share it. We'll share with friends. Lesley Logan 10:15  Today is October 2nd. We are in Chicago, as we speak. We're having a great time with our members, and people came to our workshop, and we'll be at the Balanced Body's Pilates On T our. Brad Crowell 10:25  Yeah, if you are in Chicago, we're going to coordinate members only hang. So you know, if you are, you can come hang. If you're listening this podcast and you're at P.O.T. and you're not a member, just come hang out anyway. We'd love to meet you and hang out with you. Brad Crowell 10:36  And if you're like, where is it? You gotta reach out to us. Just text the company. Brad Crowell 10:42  Yeah, just text us 310-905-5534, text us there and we'll let you know.Lesley Logan 10:45  Supposedly Instagram is just gonna start telling over my location. And last week, it was everyone saying this is how you turn the location things off. And I was like.Brad Crowell 10:57  It seems like a bad idea. Lesley Logan 10:58  I was like, oh, great, then people will know where I am. Like, I don't know. Brad Crowell 11:02  Turn that shit off.Lesley Logan 11:03  Brad, do you know any people go, oh, you live in L.A., right? Like everyone's (inaudible) so it doesn't really matter. Brad Crowell 11:03  No, I think your profile can say Vegas. Lesley Logan 11:03  I know, but every I'm just saying, like, I don't actually know how it works.Brad Crowell 11:13  Maybe if it's general, and you're like, I'm in the city of.Lesley Logan 11:17  I, we told everyone where we are already. So I'm just really not so sure like, how, like, what they're gonna say she's at the movie thing. Like, how specific is it getting? Like, I don't know. Lesley Logan 11:25  Yeah, we'll see. Lesley Logan 11:26  You know what the fucking Earth is on fire. I'm not really worried about this right now. I don't currently have a stalker that is yelling at me. If I do, I'll figure that out. But that's not, that's not the, there's, I'm sure there's VPN for that. Brad Crowell 11:37  That's fair. Lesley Logan 11:38  But after this weekend, we leave for Cambodia for our retreat. And so we want you to join us next October, once you go on the get on the waitlist at crownestretreats.com so go do that.Brad Crowell 11:50  Yeah, come join us in January of next year, we're going to be announcing the early bird special. Lesley Logan 11:56  Yeah, next year's the early bird, October is the retreat. Brad Crowell 11:57  Yeah, October, it's gonna be like the third week of October 18 to 23 or something like that. Lesley Logan 12:01  It's a little later because of a holiday, I don't want to be there. We don't like being on a retreat during Pchum Ben because it's like the (inaudible) and they are, Pchum Ben, literally celebrate for 30 days. But the first three days are really big deal, and it makes it really hard to go into the temples because some of the rooms are blocked off for the holidays so we go around it.Brad Crowell 12:20  Yeah, they're doing a lot of, you know, there's a lot going on there that we are trying to avoid for next year. So, yeah. Anyway, come join us, and we're telling you now so that you have a literal year to plan. Lesley Logan 12:35  No excuses. Brad Crowell 12:36  That's right, no excuses, y'all, the spots are limited, and if you want the information, get on the waitlist, go to crowsnestretreats.com now and then, we're really fired up on the way home from this year's trip. We are going to be teaching in Singapore. And then really, what I'm really fired up about is we're going to go do the Botanical Gardens. If you've never looked these up, y'all, you have to look them up. I saw them in a movie, and I was like, that doesn't look like CGI. What the hell? Where is that place? I need to figure this out. And it is the botanical gardens at night in Singapore, and they are up on this walkway that's raised up above the city with these epic statues that are full of vegetation and the gardens that they've built. And it is just mind blowingly cool. And I've been dreaming of going there for many, many, many years, and finally.Lesley Logan 13:24  And we have a 15-hour layover during the day, so we can do workshops and the garden. Brad Crowell 13:27  Yeah, it's gonna be great. So go check that out. Lesley Logan 13:30  You can't check out our workshop, but you can go check out their gardens. Brad Crowell 13:33  That's right, yeah, the workshop is private event, but the but the gardens are dope. Winter tour.Lesley Logan 13:37  It was announced yesterday. Lesley Logan 13:39  Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 13:39  I bet you you can go to opc.me/tour at this point. Brad Crowell 13:42  Yeah, you can go to opc.me/tour I'm sure the events was redirected to tour, but if not, you'll get an email saying you're on the waitlist. Thanks. Oh, by the way, tour is open. Click here, so go check your email if you just signed up on the waitlist, opc.me/events or opc.me/tour we are planning to do another 8000 miles. We are. Lesley Logan 14:00  Crazy people. Brad Crowell 14:02  We're looking at like 22 to 24 cities, I think, on this, this tour. And we're really looking forward to being back up in the northeast, all the way back down in Miami. Well, we're going to do Fort Lauderdale this year instead of Miami, but we'll be in the area. And then, yeah, it's going to be awesome. So we can't wait to hang with you again in person, if you've joined us last year, just so that you know, tickets are starting to sell really fast when we make these announcements so.Lesley Logan 14:28  Especially for winter tour, because people, like, can go see family members at certain places. So like, they are, they're on it. They're watching it.Brad Crowell 14:35  So tickets opened yesterday. So go check it out, opc.me/tour. Now, we got some exciting things. We're already talking about 2026 here. Yes, what's going on in January?Lesley Logan 14:44  The Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach, which is near Los Angeles. It is, I forget, I think the dates are like the ninth and 10th, or the 10th and 11th. At any rate, it's like right there. As soon as we end the tour, we go there and we do a couple great events there. So our first expo in the U.S. I'm really excited for them, because we need more conferences. Yeah, we need more ways to get together. Brad Crowell 15:06  It's gonna be awesome. So we've got a new URL for you, everybody, are you ready? This is the unveiling ofLesley Logan 15:13  xxll.co/pilatesjournal so my initials how I sent off xxll.co/pilatesjournal.Brad Crowell 15:20  That'll take you straight to the Pilates Journal Expo. Brad Crowell 15:20  And they have tickets already. Brad Crowell 15:23  Yep, it's available. Lesley Logan 15:28  And then in March, we're going to be in Poland, the Contrology conference in it's like, wut-waf and then sometimes people try to tell me say, oh, ruk-luf. And that's not how you say it. It's like, Wroclaw, but I'm going to be there. And so it's xxll.co/poland and then the next week we'll be in Brussels, different workshops, same, great people. So come to both xxll.co/brussels. So that's Q1, that's as far as I'm going with guys, I don't want to scare myself.Brad Crowell 16:02  Well, then we're gonna be in London in April. Lesley Logan 16:05  Okay, well, just let the cat out of the bag, babe. I'm not talking about Q2. No, no. Refuse. Refuse. We have to wait a couple months. Brad Crowell 16:15  Oh, shoot. We'll wait. We'll wait. Lesley Logan 16:17  I don't like, then it's like, and then in June, and then people are like, too much. They're not listening anymore. It's not, we're losing listeners.Brad Crowell 16:24  It's true. All right. Here we go. We had an audience question. Kaylee Nicole Medina asks, hey Lesley, I wanted to ask you, which classical Reformer do you recommend for a small studio that I'm opening, I'm planning to have only four Reformers, and Kaylee, I can already tell you exactly which Reformer she's gonna recommend.Lesley Logan 16:40  Brad is taking over the answers these days. Well, let's see.Brad Crowell 16:43  Lesley is, if you don't know this, Lesley is a a Pilates Contrology demo center right here in Las Vegas. Lesley Logan 16:52  Just my whole self, yeah. Brad Crowell 16:53  Lesley herself, our our home, is a demo center for Contrology. So, of course, she's going to go with the Contrology Reformer, which is 80 inches. Lesley Logan 17:01  Well, they have a couple but. Brad Crowell 17:04  But the ones that we have are 80. Lesley Logan 17:10  They're 80. Brad Crowell 17:10  So for a smaller studio, get the 80 inches.Lesley Logan 17:08  Yeah, they're gonna work for people up to six-three and all that stuff. And then the other thing I did, I will say, Kaylee, is, if you're like, you could do 280 and 286 is so that way, if you had a couple tall people, you could do that, they're still not what I like about them is they're lightweight, so they're easy to move around. So if the floor is like hardwood floor you could put some little felt on the bottom. It's really easy to, like, slide things around. And Kaylee, if you want to take it up another notch, I'm gonna say you can get both the 80 and the 86 with Towers on them. Now, obviously. Lesley Logan 17:33  You get the 80s with Tower? Lesley Logan 17:37  Shhh. They don't advertise, but you can ask. You gotta talk to me. Gotta talk to me. I'll give you to my girl. My girl will help you out with it.Brad Crowell 17:49  Didn't know that. Lesley Logan 17:49  If you are a taller body, it's obviously not a long enough mat for you, which is why I'm suggesting 286 is 280s and with Towers, and now you have a small studio with two different oh, and get this.Brad Crowell 18:03  That's right, you'll get the you'll get the Reformers, the Towers, and you'll be able to put the mats right on them, so.Lesley Logan 18:08  By the way. But wait there, and not just it. You can buy the handles. This is how genius Balanced Body and Contrology are, they made it so that that converted mat or Tower, you could put the classical mat handles in and now it's a three in one. Brad Crowell 18:22  Come on. Lesley Logan 18:23  You're welcome. And you can use my discount and that's gonna save you like 5% which is like shipping. So, you're welcome. Lesley Logan 18:32  Yeah. So reach back out, Kaylee, that's great. I didn't know that. Fancy, fancy. Don't tell.Brad Crowell 18:39  If you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or submit your question at beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions where you can leave your wins or your questions. And we really actually love hearing from you. Brad Crowell 18:56  I want your wins. I want all your wins. Brad Crowell 19:03  We want more wins. Lesley Logan 18:59  Of course, I want your questions, but I want your wins, too. Brad Crowell 19:01  Yeah, bring it on. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this convo that Lesley had with Meghan Pherrill. Just a minute. Brad Crowell 19:08  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Meghan Pherrill. Meghan Pherrill is one of the is the creator of Balanced by Meghan, a wellness brand and top Canadian podcast, Balance Your Life. Shaped by her journey through personal challenges and past trauma, Meghan discovered yoga, meditation and healthy eating habits as tools to rebuild her life and really battle OCD and debilitating trauma, right? Today, she inspires others to embrace small, sustainable changes that lead to a well -balanced life. Through retreats, workshops and her podcast, she empowers people to tune into their intuition, find patience in their healing journey, and create a life rooted in health, resilience and authenticity. So it was, it was, it was definitely interesting. It was an intriguing conversation. There's definitely a lot more to that conversation that you y'all didn't go into. But what? But, but what? Tell me what? What is one of the things that jumped out at you?Lesley Logan 20:00  Well, I think, like, what I what I really was interested in talking with her about, because being it till you see it is like she used to, she was, she is diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder, right? She had depression and anxiety, and, like, she now is in a whole different place in her life, right? And she worked through all those things. And I'm just like, I think that's really amazing. Because I think a lot of people have this badge of, oh, I have anxiety, or I'm depressed, or I have OCD, and they use it as like, and that's why I can't X, Y and Z. And she had this breakup that was a total wake up call for her, and she was able to realize that she'd become someone she didn't want to be. She didn't like who she was. And, I mean, it's kind of like last week's episode with Wendy Valentine, like out of a relationship, but different points in their life. Meghan is very young. Brad Crowell 20:45  Yeah, sure. Lesley Logan 20:46  And so it's a whole it's not like a midlife crisis, it's like a no, you're an adult now, and you're you don't like who, what's going on with your life and who you become. And so she put all this energy into into this relationship, and she changed herself, and she just didn't like who she so it didn't, didn't work, but she found herself in another way, which is, like, led her discovering yoga, and she got off her medications and started eating really clean, and that really allowed her to, like, start to become this person who you know isn't being controlled by OCD and depression anxiety.Brad Crowell 21:25  Yeah, I think the thing that I loved about that, that kind of buckles right into it, is that change from something like that, you know, it was, it was fast and slow at the same time. And she, she kind of emphasized that it it was quick in the grand scheme of things, but it wasn't quick in the moment, you know. And she said she felt so lost, and was, was like she talked about, you know, having the will to live, you know. And she realized that, she realized the necessity of trying to be happy. She said it was a long journey, but it was her truth, and that her advice for others starting their wellness journey is to just start with one thing, one thing at a time, and give yourself time to do the one thing like this isn't like one thing today and a new thing tomorrow, and a new thing the next day and a new thing the next day. Just like, just focus on one thing. I mean, we're talking obsessive compulsive in in a way that I've only seen portrayed in movies. You know, flip the lights on and off multiple times, open and shut the door multiple times, stand up, sit down. She mentioned something about checking her books, something like 46 times. I don't understand that, you know. I don't even understand what that why she's doing when she's when someone would be doing that.Lesley Logan 22:51  I know I think like, it's like, now I want to know more about OCD, because I do think people flip it and go, oh, I have OCD. Oh, you know. And I like, and maybe you do, but if.Brad Crowell 23:03  I think there are different, like, extremes of OCD.Brad Crowell 23:05  But like, this is completely time-consuming. I mean, she had a traumatic.Brad Crowell 23:14  You mentioned that you were like, man, that must have been so much time. And she said, you don't even know. She's like, yeah, it was a lot of time. Lesley Logan 23:14  Yeah, like, and, of course, that's what I focused on. Like, how much time is that? Like? Just seems like a lot of time. Is one reason why I could, I don't think I could become OCD because, like, I just can't. I hate wasting time that would really.Brad Crowell 23:27  Yeah, really what she what she said was quick was the breaking of the habits. And she said that was, and that was also from a interestingly, it was like a traumatic moment snapped her out of the some of the habits that she had formed. And it was her grandfather. She got news that her grandfather was, I don't remember if he was diagnosed or if he had actually passed away yet, but she, like he, he was incredibly important to her and and there was, like this, this moment of clarity that really changed things for her. And it's she stopped the habits, and then she's, you know, so now she's not, you know, checking her books 46 times, standing up and sitting down, 15 times, you know. And she said, all of a sudden, I had so much time on my hands. And then she asked, like she said, you know, what are you going to do with it? You might as well do something that makes you feel happier with that time.Lesley Logan 24:22  Yeah. And I think, like, I think how cool that she got to do it at such such a young age. Because I and now she's, like, her whole life is so different. She has an amazing podcast. She's got a kid and, like, and. Brad Crowell 24:34  Yeah it sounds like she connected with a really supportive boyfriend, and now husband, who happens to have a great name. Lesley Logan 24:40  Yeah, is it Brad? Brad Crowell 24:43  It is and, but he, he, you know, was helping her through the steps that that, like, like, kind of, I guess helping her through is the wrong way out. He was there alongside her, through the change. Lesley Logan 24:54  And I think, you know, I think that can go both ways. I think it could be like, oh, my. God, like I if you're alone and like, I just wish I had someone to go through this with. If you are currently alone, you, there are, there might be someone you can hire or like a person to go through with, that like you could bring on versus a partner. Because not every partner, like, don't like, not every partner is as great as this person, right? So she had a perfect person to be on her side who would like, could see the person she wanted to become, and could envision that dream and like, be there for all the journey. But you might end up finding out you're with someone who doesn't want to be part of that journey, and then it makes it so. I would just say, like, don't be jealous, or think it, the grass is green on that side. If you're wanting to make a change like this, there are people out there who want to help you. You know, there are, there are services out there. And I that's one of the things I find so fast, and the more I learn about services in the world, there are literally services. There is a charity who will do anything. So, like, there's going to be someone out there, you it's not the easiest thing to, like, look for help. But like, we had that one guy on who talked about all the different ways you can get money or food or diapers. We just found out from the charity we donate to that they will help people who can't afford dog food get dog food so they can keep the dog so the dogs are not going to the shelter. So like, there is some so if you are needing help with something right now, and her journey has, like, sparked something new, like, please advocate for yourself to get help.Brad Crowell 26:23  Yeah, there's a community called the International OCD Foundation, or the IOCDF, and it provides education, resources, community support, professional training, you know, so you can there definitely are tools, you know, if you are feeling isolated, yeah.Lesley Logan 26:40  I love it. I think it's really, I think it's really cool. I don't, I don't know anyone who's had this, but I've always wondered, like, what it's like, and it was really nice of her to share that with us and then share how she's changed her life.Brad Crowell 26:52  Yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 26:53  It's a true be it till you see it story. Lesley Logan 26:56  I'm it was, you know, and I'm excited for her that she, you know, has been moving forward and building these things, and, you know, starting a family and doing all this stuff. So that's great. It's, you know, I think she's clearly doing things that are making her happier. So, good for her. Brad Crowell 27:12  Yeah, we can all learn from that. Yeah. Brad Crowell 27:13  Yeah. Stick around, we'll be right back. We're going to dig into those, Be It Action Items that we had with Meghan Pherrill. Brad Crowell 27:22  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Meghan Pherrill? She said, hey, start with meditating five minutes a day. It will absolutely change your life, just five minutes. And she said, if you're brand new to this, maybe set aside 10 minutes so that you can get five minutes in, because it is hard. You know, I can tell you from personal experience, what do you think about when you're meditating? Are you supposed to think about things? Are you like? You know, I don't really know. I've all these preconceived notions of what it is, she said, but ultimately, recognize that you can five minutes is just five minutes. You got this, right, but she said, choose a style that resonates with you. She said if you struggle with to quiet your mind, but you can listen, maybe you do an opted maybe you do a guided meditation where you're listening to a YouTube video. I've done this, you know, and that's I find that really helpful, because it allows me to focus on something instead of just letting my mind wander. If you prefer physical a physical element, you can try breath work style meditation, which obviously we've also done, especially with your, you know, being breathwork certified, and then that will really help you focus on your breath and, you know, counting and just focusing on that thing. You know, for you know, we often talk about in yoga and in Pilates, that it is a movement meditation, because when you're when you're when you are so focused on the movement, you cannot think about anything else like there's no room for it in your head. And that is a form of meditation, right? That's where that mind body connection starts to happen, kind of a thing. And she said there's plenty of relatable teachers and resources out there. Find someone online. You can find someone on YouTube or podcast apps who you like their voice.Lesley Logan 29:13  There is this one person who I heard on a podcast when she said that she has an 11-second meditation, she turns it on, and the person goes, inhale, exhale. That's 11 seconds. Brad Crowell 29:32  Amazing. Lesley Logan 29:33  Yeah. Brad Crowell 29:34  Well, you too can meditate. And then she said get comfortable. And she said, some people like to meditate first thing in the morning. So if you're getting comfortable in your bed, make sure you sit up, otherwise you're just gonna fall back asleep. But meditation doesn't require a rigid posture, per se, right? You don't need to be like stiff as a statue, or like a monk or whatever. You can lie down, or you can be in a comfortable position, you know, just be aware that it's you know. If you're doing it right after you've woken up, you might just fall back asleep on your seat. Brad Crowell 29:59  I get in the cold plunge before I meditate. That's just like, it's not gonna happen.Brad Crowell 30:04  Hey, that's a great idea. It's a great idea. And then you know when, when the two you're talking you were talking about permission to be imperfect, right? It's not about being perfectly still or having the clearest mind. It's about being kind to ourselves and setting aside time to let our brain think and process things, and you know, in a subconscious way that we're not like actively, you know, we're creating space for that's what the meditation will do.Lesley Logan 30:34  Yeah, we talked a little bit about one more thing that I think, is it's, it's really beautiful, and it kind of springs true with last week. So if you're avoiding last week's Be It Action Item, this is gonna keep knocking on your door until you do it. But first she said, follow that intuition of yours. Just run with it and go with it. I'm studying tarot right now, and you'll know why, because we have a tarot guest coming up. I'm studying it. And the High Priestess card is all about the intuition. And like, like, going into your intuition and having some making sure that you're, like, understanding, because it's mystery. Like, intuition is also like, a mystery, right? Like, what is it? What am I saying? What am I feeling? Is that my is that my words? But anyways, so you can think of it as a High Priestess card and learning about that. Or you can figure out, like, how, how do you best understand what your intuition is saying, What does it sound like to you? So she said, just whatever's calling you or resonate with you. Follow that intuition of yours. Just run with it and go with it like just leap, right? And then she also said, don't make it complicated. Just start and see how you feel. And she also reminded us to give it some time too. It's not a one time thing. So we said it before, we're saying it again, not a one-time thing, you have to keep doing it. And she also said, as you're doing it, how did I feel? How did I feel? And that's so important, because we know from how habits are truly created, it has to actually bring joy. And dopamine, get your dopamine high. If you don't, you're not going to get that habit. If it feels like it's shameful, or like you're judging yourself, it's possible that's not your intuition, and you're following someone else's thing, so.Brad Crowell 32:06  I think, I think that's one of the things I constantly remind myself, but also when people ask me, why do you do a cold plunge every morning? You know it's a decision. But how do I feel afterwards? I've been describing it as the best cup of coffee I didn't have. Yeah, you know, you feel alert, awake immediately, and the cold is only cold for a second. Right? And now, like, because I've done it so many times that, like, shock of cold water isn't really even there anymore, even when, when the when the temperatures in the 40s, you know? Because, yeah, it's cold, but, like, I already know what to expect. But afterwards, even with just three minutes, it feels, you feel your brain is going it is actually functioning. You're up and at 'em. It's awesome, so.Lesley Logan 33:03  I hate it and love it, and I actually, I was on Meghan's podcast, and she asked me about cold plunging, and she was like, yeah, because everyone's saying, like, you shouldn't cold like, women shouldn't cold plunge. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Because being a woman means being told to cold plunge and not cold plunge. Being told, being told to do this and not do this. It's like, it's like, just, we talked about in Amy Ledin's pod episode that's coming out in December, and we're talking about habits. We're gonna have a whole habit series. So this really is building up for that. But like being a woman today, with everyone going wear a weight vest, it's not gonna do anything. Do a cold plunge. It's the worst thing you can do during a little cycle. Blah, blah, blah, I told Meghan, I said, I don't actually care. I and you have to listen to the whole conversation, but I'm summarizing. I said, it makes me feel good, and that's all that matters. And when it doesn't make me feel good anymore, then maybe I do something different. But I'm only in it for four minutes, and I'm doing it for 15 minutes every day. It's four minutes, and it really does shake the sleep off, bring me to my life, and it makes me excited to start the day. Yeah, and I can't Why? How could anything be bad? If it makes you so excited to take on your day, there's no way that could be bad for me. Impossible.Brad Crowell 34:21  Well, Meghan's podcast is called Balance Your Life. I'm just gonna look up really quick.Lesley Logan 34:26  What episode number I was? Brad Crowell 34:27  Yeah, and I'm not sure exactly, so. Lesley Logan 34:37  I don't either, but it's, it's out. It came out. Brad Crowell 34:40  Did it? Cool. Lesley Logan 34:42  I think so.Brad Crowell 34:43  Yeah go look at the Balance Your Life pod.Lesley Logan 34:47  It's one of the top podcasts in Canada, so it's super cool Way to go, Meghan, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 34:52  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 34:53  Thank you so much for listening to us. Send in your wins, send in your questions. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 34:59  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 35:00  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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Yoga teacher, podcaster, and wellness creator Meghan Pherrill joins Lesley Logan to get real about the messy, non-linear path to feeling like yourself again. From OCD, anxiety, and depression to building a grounded practice of yoga, meditation, and motherhood, Meghan shares how starting small and trusting your intuition can shift everything. Together, Lesley and Meghan talk basics over biohacks, listening to your body, and building routines that actually fit your life. Expect gentle permission, practical steps, and big relief.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The turning point when Meghan quit her OCD rituals almost overnight.Lessons from the 555 postpartum recovery rule and rebuilding routines as a new mom.Why she shifted from advanced biohacks back to foundational wellness practices.The risk of outsourcing health to trends instead of trusting your body's feedback.How small, consistent shifts create a strong foundation for lasting wellness.Episode References/Links:Balance Your Life Podcast - https://www.balancebymeghan.com/podcastMeghan Pherrill Website - https://www.balancebymeghan.comMeghan Pherrill Instagram - https://instagram.com/balancebymeghanMeghan Pherrill YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/balancebymeghanMeghan Pherrill TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@balancebymeghanBook: The Plant Paradox by Dr. Steven R Gundry MD - https://a.co/d/cVM3irAGuest Bio:Meghan Pherrill is a 500-hour registered yoga and meditation teacher, retreat leader, and host of the Balance Your Life podcast. She's passionate about making wellness approachable through simple, sustainable practices that fit real life. In addition to teaching online and locally in Canada, she has also led international retreats, including a Costa Rica yoga retreat in 2019, blending movement, mindfulness, and connection in beautiful settings.Her journey is deeply personal. After years of living with OCD, anxiety, depression, and asthma, Meghan turned to yoga and meditation as tools to reclaim her health and sense of self. Today, she shares her story and expertise with humor and compassion, helping others start where they are, listen to their bodies, and create small shifts that spark lasting transformation. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Follow that intuition of yours and just run with it. Go with it. Don't make it complicating. You know, start with a 10 minute yoga flow. If yoga feels cold to you, maybe it's Pilates. Just start. Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:58  Hey, Be It babe. All right, today's conversation is such a lovely window in taking a long journey and things not happening fast, but still happening for you. We have a really great guest today. Her name is Meghan Pherrill. She is the host of the Balance Your Life podcast, and I really love all the different topics we talked about in today's episode. We talk about being a new mom. But we also talk about, like, the basics of meditation and like, how to get started with that, and how does one go from like, kind of not knowing what to do or what to do with their time and what to be, to having this really beautiful life that's built around all the things that they like and that make them feel like them. So I'm really excited for you to hear this journey. It's authentic and it's not perfect, and it's exactly what we need to be doing when we think about, like, what do we want in our lives? So here is Meghan Pherrill. Lesley Logan 1:49  All right, Be It babe. I'm excited because I've already had a wonderful conversation with our guest today. And I was like, oh, I really want to keep this conversation going, and we are over here on my podcast. So the host of Balance Your Life podcast with Meghan Pherrill as our guest today. Meghan Pherrill, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Meghan Pherrill 2:07  Yeah, amazing. Thank you for the intro. I feel like I should have you doing all of my intro calls there. My name is Meghan Pherrill. I am the creator and kind of the leading force behind Balance by Meghan. It's an online brand, podcast, I do all the things that's just really meant to help you inspire, be inspired, be empowered, to begin and maintain your own wellness journey so you can be the best version of yourself. I have a top Canadian podcast, which I'm very proud of. And yeah, I do, normally, I do yoga retreats, I do workshops. I've taken a little bit of a hiatus just while I raise my my little kiddo over here. But that's really kind of my jam, my jelly and jam there (inaudible) what I do.Lesley Logan 2:51  Oh, man, that's so fun. Okay, but I have to, I, so I wonder, like, was your life always balanced? Like, did you like, how did, like, did it, was the wellness journey, like, always easy for you? Is it like something that just came easier or is it did it come because, like, like things in your life that you needed to find it. I would love to hear how you kind of got into this. Meghan Pherrill 3:11  Well, it's like I always say when people ask me this, I'm like, how much time do you actually have with this podcast? Because balance was like, the least, it was like, not a vocabulary, a word in my vocabulary, I, wellness, like kind of a joke. I always think it's too like, it's ironic that I teach these things. Because I was that girl who lived on chicken fingers and fries. Corn was like my vegetable of choice, and like you were lucky if you got some carrots into me. Greens were just not happening. I was diagnosed really, really young, with obsessive compulsive disorder and depression and anxiety. I had also been in and out of the hospital since the day I was born with asthma, like just it was not uncommon for me to be hospitalized once a month with, like, severe asthma attacks, where I was on prednisone all the time, puffers all the time. It was just part of my life. And there was a catalyst in my life where I had also been, like, sexually abused by my uncle. This is like taking a dark turn, and always, like, to me, you're such a light and like, so vibrant. This just gets real dark, real fast.Lesley Logan 4:20  It's okay, Meghan, I actually, I'm fine with this and you can continue to go that path, because I actually think that it would be a shame to us, for us to just like, paint the picture that was so easy for you. And I just want to say thank you for already sharing, like the OCD and the depression and the anxiety, because I actually think a lot of people who listen to us have one of those things, and it's held them back in some way. So thank you, and it's okay, we'll, we'll go, we'll, I'm sure we'll get light again so.Meghan Pherrill 4:44  Yeah, it's like, it's one of those things that I think for me, when I look back on my life, I go, I wish there had been somebody like me that I could have been like, there's a beam, there's like, there's a beacon of hope, because I felt so lost, and I just, it got really to the point of like, where I thought, okay, either this is life and this sucks and I'm going to end it, or I do see people around me thriving, like I'm just going to, you know, give it a shot and try to be happy. And there were many things that kind of led down this path. I did, I did cognitive behavioral therapy, which was good. It helped me in the moment. I was put on antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication, again, helped me in the moment, helped stop the suicidal thoughts, but I never really felt alive. I was consistently sleeping. It was not uncommon for me to have two or three hour naps a day to sleep easily 12 hours a day. Like, I don't even know how I did school. I was just constantly sleeping all the time. I was just so zonked from those meds, and somehow I had a boyfriend, and he ended up breaking up with me. And it was for me, I was like that, like, life cannot get any lower than this. This sucks. And it was just like, this wake up call where I thought, Okay, I'm doing all these OCD tendencies to prevent things like this from happening, but it's still happening, even though, like, in hindsight, I'm like, the guy was a total loser. I can't believe I even dated him. Lesley Logan 4:44  Isn't it really funny that we look back at. Meghan Pherrill 5:59  At the time, it was just like devastating, especially since he left me for another girl.Lesley Logan 6:09  Yes, I hear you. I feel like every time, like we like I there's something about like, young love. And you're like, this is the most important thing. And it's like, what was I doing? That guy is an asshole.Meghan Pherrill 6:32  I know. And even now, I'm like, oh my god. But I was like, I'm not doing it anymore. Like I'm not doing my OCD tendencies, which I have been in studies for OCD and they can they are just blown away by the fact that almost overnight, I stopped. I would say 80% of them, I still had a couple that I kept and we're talking like weird things for me, like before I could sit down, comfortable on a couch, I would have to stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. Six times I would have to check all my books 42 times. Just, like, really weird things for me.Lesley Logan 7:08  Also like, just time consuming and so fascinating that, like, like, you could have this, like, hold on, I was doing all this so bad things wouldn't happen, and bad things happened and, and I do know that, like, there's like, wonderful exposure, scientific studies on some OCD happenings, like, I've heard, like, you go to these places and they help expose you to the thing and like, so, so I do want to highlight, like, there's that, but how amazing that so many of them could just, like, your brain could just go because our brains don't like to be in dissonance, right? So it sounds like your brain was like, hold on, this is, it's not supposed to happen and it happens.Meghan Pherrill 7:40  It doesn't make sense. Yeah, I was doing all these things, these things are still happening. Like, what's the point? Like, light switches on, off, on, off, on, like, and so I just stopped most of them. There were still some up until, like, I would say, even, like, five years ago, like, I was very much like, the two minute brush my teeth person, not a minute before, not a minute after. That one I kept for a little bit, but I'm like, it's good hygiene. But I just, I stopped, and I really thought, okay, I need to really focus on myself, like I put all this energy into this relationship. I changed myself so this person likes me, and it didn't work. So I was I really was going to just start working on myself, and I stayed on my medication for a little while. It wasn't until I met my now husband, but my boyfriend at the time, we had just come back from a vacation, which was a huge deal for me, to be able to go away, mapped most of it, but still, came home, found out my grandfather was dying from lung cancer, and that rocked my world. He got he went downhill really fast. I, like, he was everything to me. I absolutely adored the man. And during that time, during my grieving, I forgot to take some of my medication for a few days, and my boyfriend was like, Brad. Like, you can do this. He, he had been on the medication for like a month, and he was like, f this, this sucks, so I'm gonna be there with you. And I was like, I'm gonna be like a raging bitch, like, sorry. I hope I can swear on this. And he was like, no, like, I've got this. We're gonna do it together. So I don't suggest doing this. My doctor was incredibly disappointed with the. Lesley Logan 9:25  I do think you're supposed to like talk to people, yeah, you're supposed to, like, wean yourself off. And I do. I will say, like, I think that when you need it, medication, for it can be so helpful, because we definitely want to stop any thoughts that could hit in someone's life. But I do agree with you and your boyfriend that I think, long term, we don't have a lot of information that for everybody, it's the best thing. So yes, I'm glad you. I'm glad you're stipulating that doctors wouldn't recommend you, like, have to have a conversation about getting off. Meghan Pherrill 9:54  Yeah, yeah. He was just like, what? I was like, well, it's been like, a month now, so I'm not going back on them. And it was hard, like I went through withdrawal, but I slowly started to feel like myself again. And the biggest thing was I wasn't napping anymore. I had all this time on my hand, and I was like, what do I what do I do with myself now?Lesley Logan 10:16  Now that I don't wait for the sunlight. Meghan Pherrill 10:17  I know, like, what is this, this is sun in the sky that then that's really how I got into yoga, and that's really what started my deep dive into holistic health and wellness. And I'm still like, to this day, like I'm a yogi through and through, I do other things now, like I weight train, I do Pilates, but I'm like, yoga is always my base, and what I come back to, and my parents are like, not necessary, they, they kind of, they're interested in my stuff, but they're like, I don't understand why we can't have the processed hot dog buns for dinner. Like, it's just not really their vibe, but yeah, it's, it's been a really, it's been a long journey, but it's funny, like I was thinking about how my life has changed so much since then, I can't even believe the person I used to be to who I am now.Lesley Logan 11:04  Yeah, I also just want to highlight it sounds like by focusing on taking care of yourself, that's how you, you know, found what you wanted and what you want to do. I think, like, you know, so many people are so focused on the other people around them, making sure that they're happy and they're cared for and they're loved, and then they put themselves last. And it's like, actually, when we kind of get a little self-focused, we actually can truly find ourselves in a way that we can be the best person for the people that are in our lives. Like, even if your parents don't like that you won't eat the hot dog bun, they have more of you now than when, when, you weren't focusing on yourself.Meghan Pherrill 11:42  Yeah, yeah, it was and it doesn't have to be a lot like it was just very much. I'd come home from work and Brad would know I'm doing a little bit of yoga. It was like 20 or 30 minutes, but that was my time for myself. And I mean, people could just see the difference in the change in me, and they were like, go, go ahead. Like, go do what needs to be done. So yeah, that's, that's kind of how I found myself in this position.Lesley Logan 12:07  Yeah, okay, so can we talk a little about, like, the timeline of the journey? Because obviously, like, we heard about the month of of the antidepressant release. But like, how long did it take you to get a yoga practice and then also, then discover that you wanted to teach it, and then get to where you are, like, we're talking years, we're talking months, you know, like, I've got these overachiever perfectionists who are listening like, okay, so I just need to, like, do this for a few days, and then I'm gonna be good. Like, what? What's the what was the the timeline? Meghan Pherrill 12:35  Yeah, it was, I see this it was a long journey, not to be discouraging, but to know like that for me, that was my my truth. I started off simply with 20 minutes of yoga. I think I committed to, like, three, maybe four. I think it was just three days a week. I was like, This is it. This is all I'm gonna do, you know, just to see how does it make me feel.Lesley Logan 12:59  I actually love that. Thank you for saying it was long. And thank you, it shouldn't be discouragement. It's just honest. Like, I think a lot of times, you know, the the days are, the days are long, but the years are short. And, like, if, I can't believe I've been doing Pilates for 20 years, like, I was like, whoa, I've been doing this for, I've been out of college for 20 years, you know, like, because it feels like just yesterday, I was like, doing X, Y and Z, and I'm working so hard on things, it's like, oh no, actually, I've achieved a ton. And it did take a long time to get that runway going, but it's just an amazing thing that, like, once you set the time aside, you're doing three days a week, you're doing 20 minutes at a time, and then it gets better, and people give you more time, and then you get more time, like it compounds, and then all of a sudden, it's like, things happen a little bit faster in the wellness journey, you know, because you've built a strong foundation.Meghan Pherrill 13:45  Yes, yeah. And it's funny, because people will often look at me now and and see everything that I do. I do, like holistic health, I do, quote unquote, biohacks, like cold plunging. We were talking about that in my podcast. That didn't happen month three or over six, like, that was year how long have we been doing that? Like, year seven, I got into that stuff. Like, it was really, really slow. I even I did yoga for like, five years before I even tried a different type of exercise, like, and it was just natural to me to go, okay, like, I feel like I'm ready for the next level of whatever, Pilates, weight training, it was Pilates next. But even, like my food journey, even now I'm really religious about eating really clean, nourishing myself, it started off super basic. Was like, can I just get more vegetables into my diet? That was it. I wasn't looking like, did not drop the whole wheat bread at first. Was still probably eating chicken nuggets, but it was like, okay, can I just introduce a couple new vegetables into my diet, and from there we'll go, go forward like, I I'm sure you see this too. Sometimes people message me and they're like, these vegetables are gonna kill me. Spinach is anti nutrient. I'm gonna die if I eat it, and it's like, no wonder people feel so overwhelmed to start anything you can read or look at anybody and see, oh, eat spinach. It's a superpower. Eat spinach and die the next day. Like it's, I think it can be overwhelming.Lesley Logan 15:14  I'm like, am I hearing this for the first time? Because I really like a spinach. I'm going to be really honest. I like a spinach. I like a mixed green, I don't, do not, I don't like a romaine. I'm not gonna do an iceberg, like, but like, I, it's true. Like, I think where people get confused is that there's so many people out there with that are mixing the messaging and also not good information sometimes, you know, like, you know where we live in the States, I got served something the other day, and on my socials, and I'm like, I'm gonna report this, because this is not according to science. Like, we actually do have science guys, it does work. And there is some incredible now, four different bodies, there's different things. And, like, by the way, there's a great book that's so old, but it's called the Plant Paradox. And if you really want to understand plants, it's such it's so informative. Like, if you take one thing away, it's like, oh, if plants grow in rows, they have more poison to them, so you might have to cook them or do different things your body can digest them, versus the plants that like to their babies fly and be free. They're less poisonous. You can eat them however you want, versus if you're from the southern hemisphere versus European descent, like, there's different plants and we digest them differently. And I think what is the problem is, is that so many people are outsourcing how something feels in their body to someone else's opinion, versus like, well, if, if you eat the spinach and you feel really good, is it is it bad for you? Meghan Pherrill 16:38  I just like, I that was, I just finished that book two, two or three books ago. And same thing, I was like, all of this makes so much sense. You know, plants are living organisms. Of course, they have things that deter us from eating it. But I'm sure as I'm like, reading it too, I'm like, I also feel like this guy, like, do you go out for food? Like, you know I would eat something that makes me feel sick, but at the same time, like some of these people, they're like, Ooh, I like, yes, there's no place right for consuming seed oils on a daily basis. But if I'm in a restaurant and they're like, sorry, this is how we make our things, and I'm surrounded by friends and family, I'm gonna ask if they can do something different. But if they're like, we absolutely can't. Like, this is how it is. How it is. It's okay, you know, like, putting more stress on my body about eating that is going to cause more damage than just enjoying myself once in a while, like that, and just living your life.Lesley Logan 17:34  I also think that's the balance, right? Like, you know? I think it's a little like, to me, that perfectionism, that control of like, it has to be a certain way when I go out, no, I'm going out, it's like I'm going to someone else's kitchen, and this is how they prepared it. And if I don't like that, I can not go. I can ask people, what's the after dinner party look like? I can do my research beforehand. Like, because I've had food sensitivities, I am used to looking at the menus ahead of time, doing my research ahead of time, so when I'm there, I can go, I'll take this thing. I'll take this thing, because what I don't want is the whole dinner to be about what I can and can't or won't eat, because then I'm not actually getting to know the people I'm with. I'm busy like talking about, like, why you shouldn't have seed oils. I don't want to be that person. That's not who I wanna be at the dinner table. It's not my thing. And so, like, I think for I think people do have to have some sort of balance. And when I was on an elimination diet years ago, trying to figure out what's wrong with my stomach, I went to a ton of places, and I said, oh, what time is dinner? I'll meet you guys for dessert. And then I wouldn't, I would have tea, because every restaurant has tea, right? And so you can do different things to, like, still be part of society. I think that's the balance part of it. And then understanding, like, you know, a little bit of something isn't going to kill you unless it's going to kill you. Like, unless you're allergic to shellfish, like that will kill you. But if you're just one of those, like, sensitive people, like, either choose to to not do it or just do it and like, be kind to yourself the next day when you're a little more inflamed, you know. Just know that's gonna happen. Meghan Pherrill 19:03  Yeah, I couldn't agree more, yeah. My son has a bunch of food allergies, so I've really opened my eyes up to that. And sometimes it's simply like, I will message people and say, just so you know, I'm calling the restaurant to see if I can bring some food for my for my son, or at the time, like I'm still nursing. So there was a lot of things, and we're talking like, anaphylactic food allergies. So not just like, he gets a little bit of hives, it's like he might die.Lesley Logan 19:06  Yeah, yeah, which is all very different. I think these, like, you have to understand that, and then, like, but also I love that you did it ahead of time. I think this is where people can have a wonderful life is if you can advocate for yourself, but do it ahead of time, and then that way you're not like, oh, I can't believe this restaurant isn't taking care of me. Meghan Pherrill 19:42  I know, yeah, exactly. And like, yeah, there's, like, there's a certain place we go to. The chef knows me. I you know I go in to the server, she knows me now too. But I'm like, just let the chef know that it's the girl with a lot of the allergy restrictions, and he'll come out and he smiles. He's like, I knew it was you, but like, he and he gets it, right? Like, it's, he's really accommodated us for that. So it's, he's, yeah, I found a way to kind of live and that, you know, at first too, it was like, okay, I guess I'll have the salad because, you know, at least I can put the dressing on the side. But yeah, it's, it's, it's all a learning curve. And I think, too, people shouldn't be so hard on themselves. Like, if they're hearing me talk about spinach, I eat spinach, by the way. I'm just saying there's some people out there that are like, you will die if you eat spinach. Lesley Logan 19:44  Oh my god. Meghan Pherrill 20:08  And you have to, you do you have to get really in tune with like, how does it make you feel if you eat spinach and you're like, I feel like garbage afterwards. You should probably stop eating spinach.Lesley Logan 20:39  I used to, I would have brown rice, because some people would tell me it's healthier than white rice. And guess what, you guys, it has arsenic. And it's actually not so awesome for me, especially because I have a hard time breaking down lectin. And so I was telling my fundamental friend, my fundamental health doctor friend, and I said, I said, Oh my god, every time I make this one bowl, it has veggies, it has protein, has all these things, but like, I just feel exhausted after I eat it. And she said, what's the base? I said, it's brown rice. And she goes, switch it to white rice. So I switched it to white rice. Fine. Like, I just couldn't, per, I just couldn't break down the lectin and so but also, we're all very different, and I think we're, I hope people are getting permission here is like, figure out what works for you and do the best you can, and then we can have, like, what you do so well, Meghan, was like, finding balance, you know, like, I think where a lot of people are getting confused is they're going, oh, this person says this, but this person says this, and what should I do? It's like, what, what felt good to you? Meghan Pherrill 21:38  Yeah, exactly, yeah. Lesley Logan 21:39  So, okay, you have a kiddo, life has totally changed. I for for the moms who are listening like, how have you been because you you focus on you to kind of get you here. And obviously, when they're an infant, they're an infant, and it's a different story. But how are you making sure you're still focusing on you while raising this kiddo? Meghan Pherrill 21:59  Well, I was just talking to a girlfriend about this, literally, this morning. So I was lucky enough that, I live in Canada, by the way, it's cold most of the time here. He's a summer baby, thank God. And so when I first brought him home, like days old, right away, I would just go out and get sunlight. That was like my self-care moment with him. I would keep him skin to skin on my chest. We'd go outside and to me like, I just it felt so good to get the vitamin D, for him it was really good. And I had been really active my entire pregnancy. Knew that I wanted to kind of get back into that afterwards, but I also was really mindful about giving myself grace. I had a really hard labor and delivery, and so I wasn't, like, I was even able to kind of get up and, like, walk around, right the next day, I kind of followed-ish, the 555 rule, which, if you don't know, it's like, five days in the bed, five days on the bed, five days around the bed. So I had a perfect (inaudible), day four, I had to take him to the doctors for a checkup. But that was kind of like my mentality was, like, I'm just going to be on the bed in the bed for the first little bit with him. My husband had dragged out like the futon to the living room so I could watch a TV show if I wanted. And that was kind of like the first 15 days for me. It was just really focusing on that. And then it started off with just going out on walks afterwards. These were not hour-long walks. Sometimes they were up and down the street, and that was it. I knew I really wanted to set my son up for healthy habits to for his life. And so really right from I got the clearance, so I got, usually you get clearance at like, week six or getting back into your fitness routine, it was week nine for me. I had, I literally got in a car accident, like a month before my son had been born (inaudible). It took a little while for me to recover, but as soon as I was able to, like, he would go in this swing next to me. Well, I did, like, my pelvic floor exercises, and I did 10 minutes of yoga, and it's, he's almost two now, like, I work out with him, or do yoga or Pilates five or six days a week, and he's there with me. I put toys around. I have snacks out for him. Sometimes it's, takes like an hour and a half to do, like, a 40-minute class, because he needs constant snacks now, but he sees me doing that, and he knows in the morning when the weights come out, like he even rolls out my yoga mat for me now. He has a little set of weights that he can do, and he does his squats with me. And even before we do our workout together, I do a Wim Hof breath session, and he goes bananas for that. Like, he runs into the room. He's like, Wim, Wim, Wim. I put him on the bed, and he sits with me. He watches the screen, which I'm sure somebody is like, he's too young to look at a screen. You know what? It's Wim Hof. Lesley Logan 24:41  I think, everything in moderation. Meghan Pherrill 24:56  Breathing thing and he just sits there. And sometimes all you even him going, like, he tries to do it and yeah, so like, some days it doesn't happen exactly how I want it to, but I would say for the most part, like he just, he knows the routine. He knows that this is, this is important to mommy. And I will even tell him, this is mommy's time now, you can stay here and play with me, but this is, we're doing mommy's thing first. And he's like, okay. Lesley Logan 25:26  I love this. First of all, I love that you are honest about like, a 45-minute class might take an hour and a half. You know? I also, we had a guest on. Also lives in Canada. She, she married in they have five kids, and she said, actions are caught, not taught. And she's like, our kids see us. We're making our movement practice a priority, and they don't have to do the movement practice, but they don't get to tell us, we don't get to do the movement practice, so it's like, we're gonna go, we work out in the morning, we walk, do a walk. You can come with us or not. We're gonna go do this, then we're gonna go do this, then we will do these things with you. So if you don't wanna wait to hang out with us until then, then you can come with us, right? And so that's her big thing is that kids really pick up on that. And I think it's really important, because, of course, they have needs, and there's other things they need, but like, if you can find patience and you can give yourself grace to take 45 minutes to do, take an hour and a half to do a 45-minute workout, then, as they get older, look, he's rolling you're mat that's so cute. We have OPC members whose kids know the sound of my voice, and they'll like, be on the ground next their mom. They like, oh, I could roll like a ball, like I could do it, you know, I'm like, that is so important. And if they're on screen learning healthy stuff versus being babysat, there's a very big difference. So I, I'm all for that, but I, but I just really thank you, because I do think that so many people are like, oh, I need to have complete alone time and then I can work out. And it's like, there's no perfect day, like, I barely have, I don't even have kids, but I used to have three dogs, and they have to go at different times. Like, okay, hold on, let me let you out. Okay, let me, yup, this, oh, now you want your food? Okay, here's like, you know. So, like, I've pre-made all the bowls, and then they come. So, like, even my own workout would be interrupted. I don't even have children, you know. So it's like, how can we prep the area, prep the scene, prep the people in our lives for what we're about to do, and then how can we take advantage of what we can do, you know, and then be kind and know that that's, that's, that's good enough for today. And I think I never heard the 555 thing. Of course, every mom listening will probably say come on, Lesley, but that's so interesting, because I do think that people, I had a girlfriend who had kids and she's like, I really didn't think that eight months after pregnancy I would still be trying to get my core strength back, you know? And she went to it as a trainer, and, like all these things and pre postnatal, and she's, like, experienced it for herself for the first time. And it's like, yeah, everyone is different, you know, we're all different, and we have to know that and take our time getting it back. Meghan Pherrill 28:02  Yeah, yeah. And I will, like, I have one child, someone's like, I have three or four or five kids. Like, you know, maybe you don't have the luxury of doing the 555, right away after but it's also, like, little things for a postpartum like, it's nice to get the bassinet and and the clothes for the kiddo, but I had people meal prep me a bunch of things that was part of a postpartum gift, and someone bought me cleaning services for like, four or five different times I utilized that so I don't have to get out of bed or off the couch and take away from my.Lesley Logan 28:25  I love these gifts. Why aren't people registering for this? Because I see the registrations I had a girlfriend, and we are, like, late to the party on like, buying the, I'm like, oh, now we're down to the things. This kid's not gonna wear this stuff. And I was like, we're not getting anywhere with any of these things. We're going to get some dinner gift certificates to restaurants near her house that can deliver. Like, that's what we're doing, because I refuse to buy clothes. This kid is gonna be born in the summer. We make it the whole time, no.Meghan Pherrill 29:01  Yeah, no, that was my whole thing. Like, my kid lived in a diaper for the first, like, four months, and we got so many hand-me-downs. I was like, I'm not, I'm not spending money on clothes that kid's gonna grow out of in two weeks. But yeah, like the dinner thing, if someone is ever like, I don't know what to get a postpartum mom, food or cleaning services, will you will be their favorite person in the entire world, because there's yeah, you don't want to be you don't want to be cooking or cleaning after watching it. You just want to be able to pick up a phone or dial Uber or whatever, and just say, bring me food. Lesley Logan 29:35  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So kiddos, to your your business had to change. It sounds like, from what you were doing before him to now what you're doing, what is the be it till you see it that you're working on right now? Like, are we? Are you wanting to add more things back? Are you trying to enjoy what you got? Like, what? What are we? What? What's the thing you're most excited about right now?Meghan Pherrill 29:57  I really wanted to get back to basics. For me, when I first started yoga, I was like, this has changed my life so profoundly. I want to teach others how to do the same. And so I had done, like a manifestation, meditation teacher training and a meditation teacher training. And just as you you kind of want to grow new things happen to you. I got it, got caught up in what everyone else was doing, and thought I should be doing the same thing. And I was thinking of this the other day, and I was like, I really want to get back to basics. It's probably not going to happen right away for me, just realistically with a little guy with allergies, but I really want to get back to I, I literally, before the world shut down, I did Costa Rica yoga retreat, and in before 2020, and I loved it. It was, I love to travel. I love yoga. I was like, this is an amazing blend here. I really want to get back to doing retreats again. In an ideal world. I would love to do, like, three to four a year. But I also kind of want to do some weekend ones. I'm a mom now, like, it's not realistic for me to pack up and say, see you for a week while I go to Cyprus, but I could probably figure out how to get away for a day or a weekend retreat so that's important to me, and just to kind of teach people the basics. Again, everybody's seeing all these like, cold plunge things, sauna, things, like, I want to teach people how to get into meditation. You can meditate in five minutes a day and change your absolute life.Lesley Logan 31:28  Let's talk about teaching how to get into meditation. I would love to go there, because I do think, like, yes, of course, as a cold plunger, yes, all these things. But I will say, like, a lot of the stuff is advanced. It's advanced biohacking, it's advanced like, things in a fitness we all just have to get people moving. But also, like my husband the other day, it was like a head, like, feeling like he had something he had, like, in his chest. And I was like, oh, have you, like, meditated? And he's like, no. And I was like, as if I meditate every day. So let's talk about the basics of meditation. Because I think people think it's a little more difficult than it is, and I think they don't think they have time. So what are the basics? How do we get started?Meghan Pherrill 32:06  Super big. I always tell people like, truly, what type of person do you think you are? If you have a movement practice, are you a morning or an evening person? Sometimes people are like, I'm up at five. I do my workout after. Perfect. Okay, so if you're an evening person, let's just dedicate 10 minutes, right? We're not going to do 10 minutes of meditation, but let's just dedicate the 10 minutes at the end of the night to what feels good to you. And that's another thing, too. Do you feel like I can't close my mind down, but I can listen to somebody tell me what to do? Perfect. A guided meditation is where we're at. Maybe you're more of like a I just feel like I need to actually physically do something besides just listen to somebody talk, do a breath work type of meditation where you kind of have to use your head to count things out. But it's also tangible, like you're actually doing this, this breathing thing.Lesley Logan 32:58  Yeah, your whole body's activating it. Yeah, yeah. But no, I understand, yeah. When you, if you do a Wim Hof guys, it's like, it is full, belly, full, lung full, it's like, really in, it's very kinesthetic.Meghan Pherrill 33:11  Yes and it's like some people need to be guided. I, you know, sometimes people, like, I just sat in 30 minutes of silence. I'm not at that point. I very rarely did things like that when I was doing meditation. And if it works for you, great, like, if you're like, I can sit there for five minutes, 10 minutes, however long, and do that, perfect. But I think it's more for the people that are like, I know I should probably start. Where? Find a person, even online, that you resonate with. See, one, they have meditations. And if they don't, who do they like to use? I have some, you know, free on YouTube and all that stuff, too. But I'm always recommending my meditation teacher because she is the most soothing voice in the entire world. I absolutely adore her. And sometimes I don't want to listen to myself do it, or (inaudible) guided in a different way. Lesley Logan 33:58  Every teacher should have their own teacher. I love this suggestion. It's like, dedicate 10 minutes. It's happy 10 minutes. Do a guided that's until, especially if you're new, like everyone listening here is like, recovering perfectionist, overachiever. We want to know if we're doing it right. So, like, having a guided meditation is really nice, you know? And like, I have an Oura ring. You guys in the Oura app, there are guided meditations and breath work ones, part of the thing, which is, like, insane. I was like, oh, well, I'm glad I'm paying for this. But also YouTube, you know, like, you'd be surprised. Like, the workouts have ads because those people want to get paid. But the meditations actually don't have ads during the meditation, so you can get uninterrupted meditation for free. And it's true. Like, find the voices that you like to listen to. I love that.Meghan Pherrill 34:44  Yeah. And it also, you know, like, when I first started my first original it was a yoga teacher who was trying to teach us to meditate. She was like, you absolutely have to sit up tall spine is nice and long cross legged. And then when I did my meditation teacher, she was like, that's not feasible for a lot of people. Get comfortable. Maybe that means lying down. Maybe someone's in a wheelchair, and they actually can't physically, like, move into a different position. Like, it does not have to be this super rigid thing. You could, when your alarm goes off first thing in the morning, lay back into bed, obviously not into a point of you wanting to fall back asleep and stuff. But get comfortable, you know, without scrolling on social media, go to like the podcast app has a bunch of meditations on it. Find one and listen to it there. I'm a mom. I get it. Sometimes it's not easy. Sometimes my meditation is literally while we're brushing our teeth in the morning, and that's going so my son's also listening to it, and I have it stack it that way. If I could do breath work, working out, meditation, like I used to, pre-baby, I would, but it's not a reality for me a lot of the time. So, you know, you can have it, stack it into, you know, maybe you do it as you're getting breakfast in the morning. You're just listening and just dipping your toes into the the water that way.Lesley Logan 36:02  Yeah, actually, I like all the permission there. And I think it's like, meditation doesn't really require perfection. I think a lot of people make it more difficult than it is. Are you able to just be mindful? Oh, I had a thought. Like, okay, now I had another, okay, there's another thought and another. Like, they're just clouds, right? Like, it's, it's actually not as we make it seem like we have to have a clearest mind the perfect to sit perfectly still. I haven't sat perfectly still in an interview. I've had my legs crossed. I have my legs on the table now, like it's a whole thing, like we're not, like, that's just not who we are. So we have to, like, what is possible for us, and then, like, be kind to ourselves, and then start using the tools that we have. And I really appreciate you sharing that. I think that's really great. And I do like the idea of of what you're wanting to do next, which is like going back to basics with people, because especially as your little one is getting to be more independent, you'll have more time, there'll be people who also need to go back to the basics and start there and rebuild a foundation, because you're a new person. You know, we have to, I think, like, the idea that, like, I, I've always hated the word like, bouncing back when that's what, like, shoved into mother's wives, like, you're gonna bounce back. You're never going back. None of us are going back. We're always going forward. So how do we take the new chapter that we're in, the new book, and, like, create what is the scene and the setting that's going to be the best for for where you're going, and then, and then, when your kid goes to school, that's a new transition. And then, like, when they're in high school, it's a different like, there's all these different things. And so what I love about your journey, Meghan, and like, what you've shared with us is just, like, this idea that, like, what is possible, be kind to ourselves, and then, like, little by little, it's a long journey, but you're gonna get there.Meghan Pherrill 37:45  Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, it's I people always, like, roll their eyes when they hear but it really isn't about the destination. It's about the journey. Or, you know, I've also heard people say, well, the time's gonna pass anyways. What are you gonna do with it? You might as well do something that makes you feel happier, brings you a little bit of fulfillment, gives you purpose, you know, brings you joy. And for me, this is what, you know. I love this stuff. I was just saying to my husband, like, I love listening to podcasts. I love watching documentaries. To me, this is not boring. I don't find it like, I,we're all worthy. I enjoy it. And sometimes I listen to things I'm like, I don't resonate what that person said. I know I keep harping on spinach, but like, I'm going to keep eating spinach as long as I feel good eating it. And other times, you know, like we were just talking about, too, sometimes you hear something on a podcast and it just for whatever reason, it just clicks with you, that and you make a change from brown rice to white rice, and all of a sudden you feel a thousand times better. Like to me, I love learning, how can I optimize myself to be a better version of how I was than yesterday?Lesley Logan 38:52  Yeah, yeah. And it comes in little, little changes, not big ones, to be honest. Like, if we look at how corporations make big changes. It's like years in the making. I remember working at a corporation, and they're like, okay, you're, in February, they're going to do the women's locker room, and in March, they're into the men's locker room, and in April, they're going to do this room, and it's going to take a year to remodel this gym, little by little, so that it's on the new branding. And I was like, you're gonna take a year. Can't you just shut down for a week and just do the whole thing? No, like, why don't they do that? Because you actually, like, the gym is like a body. It's an organism itself. It's had its own season, its own routine, its own thing. And if you disrupt the whole thing and you shake it up, you actually don't really see what worked and what didn't work. You don't learn from mistakes. And so, like we all can go, okay, I'm just gonna switch out the rice, or I'm actually gonna keep the spinach, I'm gonna heat it up, or I am gonna work out, and I'm gonna pick a 30 minute class in this hour and a half time that I have, and I'm gonna see how long it takes me. Oh, wow. Only took me 45 minutes. Great, wonderful. You know, like, I think, like, it's just being okay, experimenting and then reflecting and refining. I really appreciate that permission you gave us. Meghan. We're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. Lesley Logan 40:22  All right, Meghan, where do you hang out? Where can they go back to the basics, with you? Meghan Pherrill 40:22  Yeah, if anyone wants to follow along with me, you can find me on all the places, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, at Balance by Meghan, M-E-G-H-A-N, my podcast is Balance Your Life, which you are also be a guest on, and your episode will release soon. And yeah, those are the places that you can connect with me. Lesley Logan 40:42  Wonderful. Okay, you've given us a lot, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us?Meghan Pherrill 40:53  I think you have to just whatever is calling to you right now, whether that's starting a new movement practice or starting a meditation practice, or taking one food item and swapping it for something healthier, whatever's resonating with you, not what you see online, follow that intuition of yours and just run with it. Go with it. Don't make it complicating. You know, start with a 10 minute yoga flow. If yoga feels called to you. Maybe it's Pilates. Just start and see how you feel. Give yourself some time, too. Like this isn't like a one day thing. How did I feel? You know, if you were in excruciating pain, that's one thing. But just start and just just let the magic unfold and see what happens for you. Lesley Logan 41:38  I like that. Just start with one thing and then take your time. I really, I think that's so key. I mean, I know we all want things to happen faster, but they actually happen, they happen faster, more slowly, like they really do. Wonderful. Okay, you guys, we want to know how you're using these tips in your life. What's the one thing that you'll start what's the meditation that you like? Share it with Meghan. Share it with the Be It Pod, because hey, especially the meditation things you're liking, we'd love to share those out with people. And it share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe you have someone in your life who's going through something, and they need to hear like there's light on the other side, and the journey is long, but it's worth going on. And we would love for them to hear that from us and from Meghan. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 42:18  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 43:02  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 43:06  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 43:11  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 43:18  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 43:21  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome Natties to episode 106 “The Naturals Selection: Dating Show”! Join us as sweet Derek has a 1st date right on the pod, tune in to see how it went! We dive right into our fav sexy love jams, a game called Cute or Cringe, bad 1st date experiences, a would you rather (date edition) and so much more! Remember to please like, comment and subscribe! Are you a part of THE Natty Nation? What are you waiting for? Click it!Natties we officially have MERCH! Support us and the podcast by ordering on our website www.thenaturalspod.com Thank you!SocialsRebecca: @barbiebex05Uncle Kyle/Pod: @thenaturalspodSweet Derek: @sweetderekproductionsEmail: sweetderekproductions@gmail.com

In this week's Fuck Yeah Friday, Lesley Logan highlights a powerful Māori perspective on autism that celebrates individuality and timing, shares community member Katie Donnelly's inspiring website launch, and reflects on her own win of carving out intentional time with a best friend amidst a packed travel schedule. Tune in to be reminded that wins, big or small, deserve to be celebrated and that honoring your unique pace creates room for joy.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Māori perspective on autism as honoring individuality.Shifting focus to strengths instead of limitations.Katie Donnelly's inspiring launch of her new website.Celebrating intentional scheduling for friendships.Wins as reminders that progress happens at every pace.Episode References/Links:Autism in the Māori Culture - https://www.instagram.com/p/DKFvUjjOyJtKatie Donnelly Website - https://thepilatesdoula.comEp. 424: Nadine Hanafi - https://beitpod.com/ep424Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsNadine Hanafi Website Templates - https://nadinehanafi.comIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday.Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah.Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. Happy Friday. We're here. It's the end of September. You made it. We are on the precipice of the last quarter, and that can make you freak out. Feel a sense of urgency, feel like you're behind and you're not. You're exactly where you're supposed to be. You're here listening to a Fuck Yeah Friday episode, because you need some inspiration. You need to know that, like, there's good things that are happening out there, and you could be sharing that you can send your wins or your questions into the Be It Pod at beitpod.com/questions there'll be a tab put your questions in, we answer those on Thursdays, and a tab put your wins in, so we can share them here with everybody. And no win is too small to share. Lesley Logan 1:21  So, okay, this inspired me on the internet. It says, in Maori culture, autism is known as, I'm gonna say it crazy, takiwātanga, meaning in their own time and space, in their own time and space. And this powerful word reflects a worldview that honors neurodiversity, seeing each person's way of being as valid, dignified and deserving of respect, rather than focus on deficits. Takiwātanga, if you're a New Zealand person, if you can help me translate that, I'm happy to learn it, encourages inclusion, understanding and the belief that everyone experiences life at their own pace and in their own unique way. Let's embrace perspectives rather than respect mana (inherent dignity) and whanaungatanga (relationships). I learned so many words there. I'll put the link in the show notes so you can read this for yourself, but this is really beautiful to me, because I think there's a lot of talk about autism. There's a lot of more information that we have on it. There's a great podcast about autism and different people, like nonverbal autistic. And I just want to say, like, there are so many people who are saying things about people who are autistic, autistic in a way that makes it sound like we're focusing on, like, what they can't do. And guess what? I'm gonna tell you right now, while I'm not autistic, there's a lot of things I can't do, and we don't have a name for that for me, right? There's not a name for that for you, for the things you can't do. And so what if we actually had names for things that celebrated the positives and what they can do? You know, I think about, like, how I named this podcast. I named this podcast Be It Till You See It, so it focuses on the positive things you could do. Not like, it's gonna suck along the way, but keep going. You know, I named eLevate, our program for teachers who are, you know, diving into teaching at another level, because I want them to elevate their practice. I that's how I choose things, Agency, I want to remind our agency members that they actually have agency to do the things that they want to do. So I share this with you always just to say, like, what if we focus on what makes us unique and celebrated that versus like all the things that someone can't do, right? Lesley Logan 3:26  Now, take this as you will, but I hope that inspires you. And also, I just saw this, and I thought this is the most beautiful thing in the whole world, in their own space and time. We should all be allowed to be in our own space and time. Okay? So that is something that inspired me. There's a link in the show notes to go there and check it out. Lesley Logan 3:45  And we have Katie Donnelly. Okay, I've quietly slipped this onto the internet. I don't have the blog link up yet, and I still need a couple new pictures here, but there it is, LL, says, who says done is better than perfect, thepilatesdoula.com. This was made with Nadine and Digital Brand Kit's website template, and I would recommend it. So, Katie D, thank you for feeling that you can share it with the Be It Pod, your amazing win which is done is better than perfect and your website use a website template to get this done and put up there. And I know by the time that this is airing that it's even more done and even more in the process. But also like, watching you, over these last several years, take one step at a time towards who you want to help, and helping those people has been so beautiful. And you are a perfect example of like we are not on a race. You know you can have the life you want to have and help the people you want to have without overworking, and you really are doing that with grace. And so, thepilatesdoula.com, thank you so much. I'm so glad we got to share that with the world, and can't wait to see what you do next with it. Also, Nadine, y'all, she was on the Be It Pod, we'll put her link to her show in the show notes. And she has, if you want to make a website, she does have a template. She's got some great stuff. Make sure that you use our fabulous links so that they know that you were sent by us, and they give you the special treatment, of course. Lesley Logan 5:08  Okay, now a win of mine. So my win is the since July, I haven't been home for more than two weeks at a time, not at all. And that usually makes me feel like, oh my god, I have to cram all this stuff in. I have to do all these things that I think I've told you guys this, we've, I said, and I've been planning over a year in advance on how to make sure we stay ahead of the game so that I'm not behind. And during those two weeks, I'm not actually cramming to get things in because I want to be sick. And so not only am I not behind on things, I'm actually ahead of everything. Two, I am spending this weekend with my best friend. I'm spending this weekend with her, and I am only home for two weeks, barely, barely two weeks before we're off to Chicago and then off to Cambodia. We'll be gone for 21 days. And of course, I could have been like, no, this is, there's not the right time. She also could have said it's not the right time, it's actually a joint win with us, because she actually is leaving the same day. I'm leaving for Chicago. She's leaving to visit family in Arkansas. Like life is busy, but we are intentional about getting together almost every year. It kind of ends up being every other year, but we do do something together, and so intentionality is important, and celebrating the win that we did it, we did the thing so we can make this happen. We could spend time with each other and just take some time to be with our friends. So when if you say yes to a friend for coffee, and you actually go do it, can you do me a favor, pat yourself on the back and celebrate that win that you did that? You have so many things you could doing, but you spent time with your friend, had a coffee, those coffee dates add up. They're important, all right? So again, an episode to remind you that wins happen in all shapes and sizes and all kinds of different things. Give me a win, and my win is I'm having a great time with a girlfriend in my own hometown, you know, during the during the busy chaos of our travels, because, because friendships are important and we need that. So anyways, if you need tips on how to plan ahead and how to do your schedule and how to do those things, I'm happy to answer them. Let me know if we need to bring guests on. We can make it a series, but just know that, like you can have a lot of what you want, we just have to actually make sure it fits in the schedule and it it's hard to cram things in, and you'll feel like you you you can't say yes to things if you're procrastinating all the time on yourself, right? So do the hard things earlier, and you can say yes to all the fun things. That's enough to say, but we need an affirmation. Lesley Logan 7:34  All right, here we go. The affirmation is I make time to experience grief and sadness when necessary. I make time to experience grief and sadness when necessary. I make time to experience grief and sadness when necessary. Love is feeling your feelings. It's so important. It really is, it really is, and then letting them go. All right now, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:03  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.  Brad Crowell 8:46  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 8:51  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:55  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 9:02  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 9:05  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

This week, Erin and Sara sit down with Blaine Anderson, a dating coach and matchmaker. They discuss the biggest mistakes women are making in dating, why you shouldn't expect sparks on the first date, why you need to take your headphones out if you want to meet someone, and much more.Executive Producers: Erin Foster, Sara Foster, and Allison BresnickAssociate Producer: Montana McBirneyAudio Engineer: Josh WindischProduced by Wishbone ProductionProduced by Dear MediaBlaine's intake form: Www.datingbyblaine.com/womenThis episode is sponsored by:Bon Charge (boncharge.com/foster)Everyday Dose (everydaydose.com/foster)Free People Movement (FPmovement.com)Beekeeper's Naturals (beekeepersnaturals.com/foster)Magnetic Me (magneticme.com)Caraway (carawayhome.com/foster)Ritual (ritual.com/foster)See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Did you know 90% of Americans have pesticides in their bloodstream, and many “safe” medicines are part of the problem? Dr. Josh Axe sits down with Carly Kremer of Beekeeper's Naturals to expose the hidden dangers in over-the-counter drugs and the shocking truth about modern medicine. Discover the natural remedies our ancestors trusted for centuries, and why they may be the key to protecting your family's health today. Watch The Dr. Josh Axe Show every Monday & Thursday on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@drjoshaxe

Lesley and Brad reflect on their conversation with author and podcast host Wendy Valentine, whose story of rebuilding after divorce and debt inspires bold self-discovery. In this recap, they unpack her perspective on authenticity, why growth requires discomfort, and how carving away what isn't you can reveal your true self. Plus, they connect Wendy's wisdom to practical ways you can face fear and step into the life you really want.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why letting go of what doesn't belong reveals your authentic self.How your comfort zones keep you stuck in fear and familiarity.Why courage grows only when you take action.How to reframe your fear as a signal for possibility.Episode References/Links:P.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comWinter Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Journal Expo - https://www.pilatesjournalexpo.com/los-angeles-pilates-expoContrology Pilates Conference - https://www.korneliamulak.com/contrology-pilates-conferenceSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsThe Midlife Makeover Show - https://wendyvalentine.com/podcastBook: Women Waking Up by Wendy Valentine - https://wendyvalentine.com/womenwakingupEp. 316: Jessica Papineau - https://beitpod.com/jessicapapineauEp. 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksPilates Journal Expo - https://www.pilatesjournalexpo.com/los-angeles-pilates-expo12 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  We all have a little bit of fear when we step outside our comfort zone, but you got to do it if you want to have the life that you want to have. It just doesn't happen in the way. If it was going to happen in the life you're having now, you'd have it already. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap.Brad Crowell 1:02  I feel caught any of the shit talking that happened before we started. No, you don't even know. You don't even know. Take it away. Lesley Logan 1:12  Brad am I just gonna keep going. I'll just keep going. Brad and I are going to dig into the refreshingly genuine convo I had with Wendy Valentine in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one, then come back and join us. You can listen to it twice if you're like Brad, maybe remember, just saying, love you so much. Lesley Logan 1:35  So today is September 25th 2025 and it is One-Hit Wonder Day. One-Hit Wonder Day takes place every year on September 25th.Brad Crowell 1:48  Yeah, I put that stuff in there just so that you have to repeat literally the same.Lesley Logan 1:52  Well, sometimes it's every third Thursday, so it's not exactly the same but, but the day is the perfect excuse to listen to songs that have been in your head since they first aired. So that doesn't make sense. If it's a one-hit wonder, it should just be the day to be honoring other one-hit wonder they flubbed it anyways. I think you should go listen to only one-hit wonders, and I have some good ones for you. So buckle up and get ready to remember all the artists whose names have have been lost to time, but whose works have stayed behind in our minds and hearts. Here's everything you need to know about one-hit wonders and the people who made them. Brad has a list.Brad Crowell 2:26  Well, I don't have a list of everything you need to know about them, but I do have a list of one-hit wonders. So (inaudible) I'm just gonna pick one from each decade. Lesley Logan 2:35  Okay, that's fine. But then can I share my favorite one-hit wonder of the 90s?Brad Crowell 2:38  Okay, when we get to the 90s. All right, so the 1970s, My Sharona. Lesley Logan 2:46  That was a one hit wonder? Brad Crowell 2:47  By The Knack. Yeah, ever heard of The Knack? Lesley Logan 2:50  No, but I heard My Sharona.Brad Crowell 2:55  Okay, from the 80s, all right, we've got, let's see, this is one of my favorite songs of all times, all time, the times, Take On Me by A-ha. Lesley Logan 3:12  A-ha. Take On Me.Brad Crowell 3:14  Take on me.Lesley Logan 3:15  You don't love that because it's you can't actually, that is hurting people's ears, (inaudible) but that's a hard song to sing. It's kind of like Africa. You can't like you like, A-ha, because it's like, Toto like, it's really hard to sing. Take like, like, he changes.Brad Crowell 3:32  Yes, he does, yes he does. It's a very it's like crazy range. 1990s. Lesley Logan 3:38  Hey. Well, why don't you say, well, let's just see if you picked the one I pick.Brad Crowell 3:41  All right. Well, so there's a bunch. Brad Crowell 3:44  There's so many. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 3:45  It also really spans a whole decade, because, like, one of the songs I was like, that was the 90s, I remember being like, in the sixth grade, and the one I picked, I remember, like, knowing in high school. So anyways, clearly, that's what I did in the 90s, was go to school. What do you got?Brad Crowell 3:58  All right. All right. So obviously, Tubthumping by Chumbawamba.Lesley Logan 4:03  Oh, of course, I wouldn't pick that, but yes, Tubthumping was great. But they're not really a one-hit wonder because they had another hit. Brad Crowell 4:09  No, they didn't. Lesley Logan 4:10  Oh, they didn't? Brad Crowell 4:10  I don't think they had another hit. Lesley Logan 4:11  They had another song that, like, made it to my radio in Lodi. It wasn't as good, you're right. Brad Crowell 4:19  I mean, if they did, oh yeah, you know what, I get knocked down. Lesley Logan 4:25  Yeah, that's not Tubthumping? Brad Crowell 4:27  I think it is Tubthumping. How come it's oh, they released it different titles. Lesley Logan 4:31  Okay. Brad Crowell 4:32  No, I think it's the same. So, yeah, I basically, I think that's their song. Lesley Logan 4:35  Okay, all right. Brad Crowell 4:36  That is the only one that I actually know. Lesley Logan 4:38  Okay, so okay, how do you how are you going to pick between Sex and Candy and Closing Time? Brad Crowell 4:43  Oh, Sex and Candy is great. Lesley Logan 4:45  Because did you even listen to Sex and Candy when you were in the 90s? Brad Crowell 4:47  No, on the school bus. Lesley Logan 4:49  Okay. Brad Crowell 4:49  I love sex and candy. Yeah, so, but, but also, listen like there's so many others. Lesley Logan 4:55  Yeah, it's a lot deeper. Brad Crowell 4:57  How about Macarena?Lesley Logan 4:58  Well, no, can't even start with that one. That's not good. It's gonna get in your head. Brad Crowell 5:02  How about Breakfast at Tiffany's by Deep Blue Something? Lesley Logan 5:05  Is Chumbawamba and Tubthumping the same song or different song?Brad Crowell 5:08  Chumbawamba is the band. Lesley Logan 5:10  Oh, I see, I see, I see. Okay. Brad Crowell 5:11  Yeah. How about Semisonic?Lesley Logan 5:14  Well, yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Closing Time. That's the best song. Brad Crowell 5:19  It's a great song. Lesley Logan 5:20  Did you know? And I think Bitter Sweet Symphony was a one-hit because they, I think they got in trouble with the music. Brad Crowell 5:25  Oh yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 5:26  Which is such a bummer, because it's such a good song. Brad Crowell 5:28  Um, okay, 2000s. Lesley Logan 5:30  Oh yeah, I guess we have to get out of the 90s. Brad Crowell 5:31  We're moving on. 2000s, there's a couple, but I think my famous, my favorite.Lesley Logan 5:38  Hold on, I have to go back. Save Tonight. That's another one-hit wonder. Brad Crowell 5:43  Yeah. Eagle-Eye Cherry, I would never have been able to tell you the name of the band.Lesley Logan 5:48  Yeah. Okay. Anyways, go ahead. 2000 Brad Crowell 5:49  All right. 2000s. Lesley Logan 5:50  A great time for fashion. Brad Crowell 5:52  Yeah. Teenage Dirtbag by Wheatus. Lesley Logan 5:56  Oh, that. I need. Brad Crowell 5:57  I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby.Lesley Logan 6:00  Dirt bag, baby. Oh, my god.Brad Crowell 6:03  Or Somebody That I Used to Know by Gautier. Lesley Logan 6:07  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 6:08  You're just somebody that I used to know. Gnarls Barkley, I don't know if he's really a one-hit wonder, because he has a career and but, but he's also part of another group, all the things.Lesley Logan 6:20  Is this I Wasn't Me? Brad Crowell 6:21  No, crazy.Lesley Logan 6:23  Oh, okay, but isn't he the same person who Wasn't Me? Brad Crowell 6:26  Wasn't me. I don't think so. Lesley Logan 6:29  Okay, this is exactly what people want to hear. They're yelling at us in their videos. I want you, if you're yelling at as right now, tell us who.Lesley Logan 6:36  2010's Psy. Lesley Logan 6:38  Psy. Brad Crowell 6:39  Yeah. Gangnam Style.Lesley Logan 6:41  Oh, that. That's an annoying that's like the Macarena. It makes me mad.Brad Crowell 6:45  I think it became like the most watched YouTube video in history, or something like that. I can't remember. And then here we go. Now we've got other notables. Vanessa Carlton, 1000 Miles. Oh, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, The impression I Get, yeah, that's the 90s. 1000 Miles is 2002. Anyway, if you have a favorite one-hit wonder that we did not cover here, you have to make sure you let us know. Lesley Logan 7:18  I guess, when do we find out it's a one-hit wonder? Because, like, is there any one-hit wonders that are recent, you know, or is it like we don't it doesn't happen because, like, the labels don't even make any, you know, risks, take any risks anymore. You know what? I have a one-hit wonder for everyone. It's not happened yet, but I believe in it. There is a great turkey song that you can all go listen to our dear friend, Geoffro. This is going to be a definite one-hit wonder. He is not a one hit wonder. He is a Grammy Award winning writer, but he has a gobble song that we can all, as a Be It group, make a one-hit wonder, if you go to Spotify right now and listen to this. Brad Crowell 8:00  Really hilarious turkey song. Lesley Logan 8:01  Hilarious Thanksgiving song in September.Brad Crowell 8:06  Geoffro is G-E-O-F-F-R-O. If you're really curious about this, ping us and I'll send you a link. So I looked it up at what time after a band is out, do we decide that it's a one-hit wonder band? There's no official rule, but there is an understood 10-year rule. The music industry observers often consider an artist a one-hit wonder if they fail to produce another significant chart topping hit within 10 years of their initial success.Lesley Logan 8:30  10 you've 10 years to have another hit. You guys, did you hear that?Brad Crowell 8:34  Chart-topping. So that's like getting drafted to the NBA twice.Lesley Logan 8:39  Okay. Regardless, uh, that means, everyone, you are allowed to have two amazing goals happen in 10 years and still be considered ridiculously amazing. And so don't like, don't worry about how long the valley is in between, because you too could have another hit. Brad Crowell 8:57  Ain't no valley. Lesley Logan 8:58  Oh, but that's not a one-hit wonder. That, in fact, is a wonderful song, which we're not going to sing right now because we got to move on. Lesley Logan 9:05  You guys, next week we're going to be in Chicago, P.O.T. Chicago at Burr Ridge. We're going to celebrate our 10-year wedding anniversary. I'm gonna teach at Joe gyms, Joe's gyms. You gotta check it out. I don't think there's any spots left, but if, you should always come by.Brad Crowell 9:19  Yeah, come hang at the booth. Just come say hello, you know.Lesley Logan 9:22  I should always just check because sometimes people can't make it and someone's trying to sell a ticket, so go check it out. Also in October, which is next week. So we're gonna go to Cambodia. We're gonna fly from Chicago to Cambodia. Yeah, I'm shipping clothes home. This is not I'm shipping clothes to somewhere, and I don't even understand the weather that we are doing in this world. Brad Crowell 9:41  Yeah, maybe I'll ship clothes home too. That's not a bad idea. Lesley Logan 9:44  Yeah because, like, what? What are we going to do with Chicago clothes in Cambodia? Yeah. Also, we kind of just stay indoors the whole time so, but whatever, still gonna send some clothes home. You can go to crowesnestretreats.com to sign up for next year's Cambodia retreat. There's an amazing waitlist you can get on. Brad Crowell 10:03  Yeah, get on the waitlist because in January, we're going to be making a big announcement about the dates and all the things and doing the early bird, so.Lesley Logan 10:10  People on the wait list, get the best early bird. Brad Crowell 10:12  People on the waitlist get the early bird. Lesley Logan 10:14  And if it sells on the early bird, well, then that's all. Then we're going to go to, on our way home from Cambodia, we're gonna hit Singapore. We have a long layover. We're going to do a little bit Botanical Garden viewing, but we're also gonna teach some Pilates there. So I'm super, super excited about that. I don't even know if you can go, but I'll be there. Brad Crowell 10:29  No, it's a closed event. Lesley Logan 10:30  It's closed event. But Brad, so Brad just wants to make sure, you know, we're gonna be in Singapore. Brad Crowell 10:33  That's where we're gonna be. Lesley Logan 10:34  And you can't come. Brad Crowell 10:35  No, sorry. Lesley Logan 10:36  Sorry. In December, we're also going to be on winter tour, and we're actually announcing that next week. Opc.me/events, October 1st. Brad Crowell 10:46  October 1st y'all. Get ready.Lesley Logan 10:47  We have people who are like, when is it announcing? When is it announcing? You better be on opc.me/events, because they're gonna get a special email, then our list gets email, then it does get posted on the socials. But you know the algorithm, so you're gonna want to make sure this is gonna be the coolest event, and I want to see you at several locations. I'm just saying, I'm demanding that. So before we get into the amazing. Lesley Logan 11:08  I mean, this past tour, this past summer tour, we had multiple people at multiple events.Lesley Logan 11:12  I think I also just want to announce, can I? I'm going to add two more things, because it's now officially announced, we could talk about it. So January, we're going to be at the Pilates Expo, so that you want to be the Pilates Journal Expo will be there with a booth, and I'll be teaching. And then. Brad Crowell 11:26  Where is that? Lesley Logan 11:28  It's in Huntington Beach. But there it says L.A. so it's L.A. adjacent. It's in Huntington Beach, (inaudible) in January is stunning, wonderful. And we're going to be there. The dates, I don't remember, but they're, they're kind of like that right after we're done with winter tour, we're like, just going to keep the tour bus, going to be completely honest, and then we are going to go, we'll be home for a little bit. Then in March, I'm going to be in Poland at the Contrology conference in Poland, with Karen Frischman, and then Karen, Brad and I are going to do a little backpacking around the lovely Europe for a couple days, and we're going to land in Belgium, and I can officially announce we are teaching in Brussels at Elle's studio. Pillow Tells, and we're having a really wonderful conference with Elle's and Karen and I. So I don't have a link for that in the moment we're recording, but I promise you, if you go, if you just Google.Brad Crowell 12:23  I just want to make a clarification. It's not the Pilates Expo, it's the Pilates Journal Expo. Lesley Logan 12:29  Yeah, I said that. Brad Crowell 12:30  Okay. Pilates Journal Expo, yeah. So search for the Pilates journal Expo 2026, and you'll find the one that Lesley is at. They are tickets are open. I think for that now.Brad Crowell 12:42  Yeah they're open. Lesley Logan 12:43  So yeah, definitely check it out. Yep, and then, and then Poland, and then Brussels, so that takes you all the way into end of March. So Europe, it's not technically a tour, but we got two places, so you better come. You better come I'm telling you, don't even know what 2027 has in store. Barely can keep up with what's going on right now. Just saying. So anyways, okay, now, before we get with Wendy, we have to answer one of the wonderful questions that came in. Lesley Logan 13:13  We sure do. All right, betterdaypilates is asking, hey, I'm not a foot this isn't a footwork question per se, per se, but footwork related, what are your thoughts on an unpadded foot bar? Lesley Logan 13:27  Love it. Brad Crowell 13:28  Betterdaypilates, I can already tell you the answer is, better than a padded foot bar. Why? Feedback. Oh, shoot. Because also safety. Oh, shoot. Brad, jumping in for the win here, okay, you can take over. Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, I think some people would argue that the padded bars are less slippery, so they'll there's a, here's a deal on. Brad Crowell 13:48  If your feet are like, crusty or slimy, then sure you're gonna slide, but. Lesley Logan 13:54  Some people have sweaty palms. Brad Crowell 13:56  I mean, I guess so. I personally would just have chalk in the studio for that. I think it would make it stickier, though it's metal. Brad Crowell 14:02  You would, one would think, but I think it depends on the person. But anyway, I agree with you on all of that, just because you can have a better grip on the foot bar with an unpadded bar, you can feel it. It is. We are. We need to teach grip strength. Grip strength does not come from hanging out in wrist. So I love an unpadded foot bar so when your hands are on, you can actually get your forearms on. I love it on the feet. I know people were. Brad Crowell 14:25  You were thinking about with your hands. Of course, I was thinking about it with my feet. Lesley Logan 14:29  Yeah, yeah. So with feet, I love it because you're right feedback, um, a football, a foot pad, a foot bar. It's really easy for you not to notice that your foot is pushing harder on one side than the other. Also, those who think it's gonna be painful. The actual reality is, if you're doing footwork correctly, unless you have a like, like, a literal foot condition, like some sometimes diabetics, or some people with like, neuropathy, you actually are not feeling the metal on your foot because you're not pushing from the knee. You're pushing from the whole center. And so if you're doing it, if you're doing footwork correctly, even on four springs, I do not feel pain. And I used to have, like, like, I kind of don't have any fat on the bottom of my big toe ball of my foot, but it doesn't, I don't feel it as painful I thought I would. I truly did. I remember, I remember the studio when they're like, oh, we're gonna take the pads off the foot bars. I'm like, I just, I just was like, oh my god. I literally thought to myself, they're gonna lose all their business. Like, that's what I thought. I fucking love it. I love it. Take the pad off. I promise you'll love it. If you have an if you've a question and you want to answer to a question, any kind of question, you can go to beitpod.questions and submit your questions, or your win, beitpod.com/question?Brad Crowell 15:41  Yes.Lesley Logan 15:41  Yeah, that's what I said. Brad Crowell 15:43  Say it again. Lesley Logan 15:45  BeItPod.com/questions, yes.Lesley Logan 15:47  Or you can text us at 310-905-5534.Brad Crowell 15:51  310-905-5534Lesley Logan 15:56  We still haven't, see, it's really easy see, we still haven't purchased like, 310 be it pod.Brad Crowell 16:03  We're not gonna do that. Lesley Logan 16:05  Why? I think it's so much more easy to remember. Don't you remember like, the oh, you know, like 805, called, got junk. Like, yeah. All right, let's talk about Wendy Valentine. Brad Crowell 16:19  Stick around. We'll be right back.Brad Crowell 16:21  All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about Wendy Valentine. Wendy is an author and the host of the midlife makeover show, and is often described as a magical beam of light, known for her energy and constant evolving.Lesley Logan 16:36  Please add something like that to my bio. She's often talked about as a magical beam of light, I would like it added to my bio.Brad Crowell 16:44  You're just a red-headed magical beam of light. Lesley Logan 16:46  Yeah. Brad Crowell 16:47  At 45 Wendy overcame divorce, chronic illness and $150,000 of debt, pivoting from unemployment. Pivoting is I hate that word. She figured out a way to get out of unemployment. And then had corporate success, and then she quit her corporate success and to follow her passions, which is pretty (inaudible).Lesley Logan 17:09  Yeah, she like, got in and out and, like, really, yeah, within a couple of years, I think we hate pivot guys, because we are tired of being the pivoters. Like, we're so good at pivoting and like, I can't fucking pivot one more time before I'm turned back the way I started. I'm just gonna say it right now. Brad Crowell 17:22  Well, Wendy pivoted into authoring Women Waking Up: The Midlife Manifesto for PassionPurpose and Play. She's providing guidance through her robust framework for individuals seeking to make significant shifts in their lives, especially during pivotal periods like midlife. Lesley Logan 17:40  That's a better pivotal. Brad Crowell 17:41  That's a better pivotal, that's a pivotal, that's a real pivotal.Lesley Logan 17:45  I don't know why we just started critiquing a bio. Alright. Brad Crowell 17:48  It's a bio we wrote. Lesley Logan 17:49  Yeah, it's a bio we wrote. Brad Crowell 17:51  We wrote it. Lesley Logan 17:51  So that's not how we treat our guests. We wrote that one.Brad Crowell 17:55  Wendy kicks ass and takes names. And it's amazing. You know, it's always, it's always fascinating to me to meet someone who is divorced, because if they're out and about and they're putting their their best foot forward, you're meeting them and you're like, This person is so cool. How could they have been in a relationship that didn't go well, right? And.Brad Crowell 18:21  I agree I understand what you mean, because you. Brad Crowell 18:22  Do you know what I mean. Like, we meet them and we're like, wow, I love this person. How did, how did it, how did it all break down and, and I, I want to say that her bio kind of, I feel like her bio is something that we often overlook in that assumption, and that she pivoted. She made major changes from where who she was and where she was and what she wanted and all the things to who she is today. So now that we're meeting her, she's had this massive life experience that forced change, forced self- reflection, and she's come out the other side a magical beam of light.Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I think, like, you know, especially if you get divorced in your 40s, right? Like she had a kid, like she had a whole life, and, you know, life turned out differently than she expected. And it does when you're when you're into your 20s, like, this is how my life's gonna be. And then you get to your 30s, like, thank fucking god, it didn't turn out like that. But some people got married in there and so.Brad Crowell 19:29  Well, I feel like that, like, and the reason that I, I am reflecting on that is because I feel like that happened for me too in in that. Lesley Logan 19:36  Oh, were you hoping I say how did you get divorced? How could anyone let you go?Brad Crowell 19:40  Yes, this was really just a long fishing excursion for you to compliment me. You're lucky to catch me, babe. No, I even it personally, in my own self-love, who I was before, I thought I knew who I was and I felt confident, sort of, but after that experience, then I actually was like, I had spent the better part of a year just working on me, just thinking about me, thinking about my actions, my thoughts, the things that I was doing, and making decisions on those instead of spending like coasting through or floating through or just not really being attuned to any of that stuff, like we often get into these, these grooves, these ruts, and that don't realize, because you're forced into this, this period of self-reflection and introspection, I feel like you come out the other side feeling better, you know, hopefully, yeah. Lesley Logan 20:46  Yeah. I think so. I think also, anytime something literally changes your life, like you're lit where you wake up, who you wake up with, where you wake up, all that, all that stuff you it has to change you, and if it doesn't, you get to do it again. That's how life goes. Here's I liked. She said she critiques the often big advice, like, be your authentic self. Love her. Brad Crowell 21:10  Be authentic. Lesley Logan 21:11  My god, when we first saw this podcast, you remember like we had so many people whose be it action was like, get to know yourself. Be authentic. And I was like, so we're gonna need to understand, how do you do that? Brad Crowell 21:22  How? Lesley Logan 21:23  How do you do that? Brad Crowell 21:23  How does one get to know themselves? Lesley Logan 21:26  She said, she clarified, it's not learning who you are to become. It's learning who you are not. I love that, because I think a lot of people start with what they want or who they want to be, but you certainly know who you don't want to be. You certainly know what you don't like and what you don't want to be. I think that sometimes it's easier to start with, like, I don't want to be that, so I want to be that. Then what changes do I have to make? If I don't want to be person who who mopes around all the time, well then what are you gonna do? You know? So I really, I really liked that. And she said, oh, she, she, she used an analogy of Michelangelo's carving, David, where he just, is it Michelangelo or David? Brad Crowell 22:08  Michelangelo's carving of David. Lesley Logan 22:09  Of David. Clearly, I'm not. Hello, guys, my family was a was poor.Brad Crowell 22:13  Our history 17 over there. Lesley Logan 22:15  Well, okay, let me just tell you, there was no art history in my schooling. I was a poor girl at public school known art history, and my family doesn't have art because that's expensive stuff. So I am not educated. So Michelangelo's carving of the David, where he just carved everything away that was not him.Brad Crowell 22:35  Yep. Lesley Logan 22:36  You don't like the word of the David. Brad Crowell 22:37  It's not the David. Lesley Logan 22:38  It's just David. Lesley Logan 22:39  It's just David carving dvid, carving of David. Yeah, is this David?Lesley Logan 22:45  Somebody? Where is it? When the one from the Bible? Is it just a random David?Brad Crowell 22:49  I'm pretty sure it's David from the Bible. Let me find out now, because (inaudible).Lesley Logan 22:52  Like David of David and Goliath,Brad Crowell 22:55  they say Michelangelo's David because it's called the statue is called David. But who is David? Michael and David? No one. Lesley Logan 23:10  GDavid is, come on chat GPT. Come on right. Be faster. People are waiting.Lesley Logan 23:18  They're yelling at us. They already know.Lesley Logan 23:20  Doesn't actually say, oh, so we don't it could be any David. Brad Crowell 23:22  No, I don't think so. She was somebody. Lesley Logan 23:22  Like from Schitt's Creek. It's David from Schitt's Creek. Brad Crowell 23:22  No, it's, okay, so, it is from the biblical story of David, the tale of a young shepherd boy who served the Israelites. So David and Goliath. David, pretty sure it's that David.Lesley Logan 23:38  Okay, that David, um, I think we like that. David, all right. Anyways, she advised. Brad Crowell 23:43  Did some good things, did some not so good things. Lesley Logan 23:45  Right, I'm pretty sure later in life. Brad Crowell 23:47  He's human. Lesley Logan 23:48  Yeah, um, we're all allowed to be a little human. Uh, she advised, so he caught so Michelangelo essentially carved everything was not him. And I kind of like that, like, you're just chiseling away at what's not you. Like, it's like when you clean out your closet, like, Jessica Papineau's episode, right? You got to get rid of the clothes that no longer represent who you are.Brad Crowell 24:07  I love that. And I think that's, that's a great comparison. Actually, I love that. Lesley Logan 24:11  Well, it's something we can actually apply to ourselves, since none of us are going on carving statues. I mean, maybe three listeners are. But like, I'm certain.Brad Crowell 24:18  We did end up at a sculptor's studio here in Vegas. And I was, like, intrigued, because she's been doing it for something like 50 or so years. And it was like, Wow. What a it's she made it way more hobby. She turned it into a business. Lesley Logan 24:31  It's called Romancing the Stone. Brad Crowell 24:33  Yes, it is. That's what it's called. That's impressive.Lesley Logan 24:37  Well, it's because I, like, thought about the movie, but I was never like, I just remember sitting in that place going, he's gonna want to take a class here. And I this is a skill set, I can tell you right now don't have, I don't have the patience to carve away what's not this rock. So anyways, she also explained that sometimes we know the things that are not us because we still cling to it for comfort. That's why people stick around to people that treat 'em like shit or a job they hate, because it's comfortable. It's not uncomfortable enough. Brad Crowell 25:11  Yeah, I think it's also fear, you know, fear of the unknown. I think that comfort and fear kind of go hand in hand. Believe it or not, you feel comfortable, but you're actually afraid to make change. Yeah, so you're unwilling to, like, take a risk?Lesley Logan 25:26  What is it? Like, the, the the villain you know, or the, what is it? What's the saying? Like. Brad Crowell 25:31  The devil you know is a. Lesley Logan 25:32  The devil you know it's the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. But, like, so negative, because, like, you're assuming there's always a double out there. Anyways, there's a story about a dog that. Brad Crowell 25:44  Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. Lesley Logan 25:47  Yeah. That's, you know what that is, you guys, the patriarchy trying to keep you small. That's what that is. It's like the penny saved is a penny earned bullshit. All those things are bullshit.Brad Crowell 25:57  That's a Malarkey, right there. Lesley Logan 25:59  Yeah. So, um, but, uh, but I also I just think, like, I go, we can go back to Gay Hendrickson. We all have a little bit of fear when we step outside our comfort zone. But you got to do it if you want to have the life that you want to have. It just doesn't happen in the way. If it was going to happen in the life you're having now, you'd have it already, right? Brad Bizjack is going to have an episode coming out really soon in October. Stay tuned. But the other day, he mentioned something like, you know, what got you here won't take you there. Brad Crowell 26:28  Yeah, yeah. I think it's good to clarify that, because if it was going to happen in the life you have right now, meaning, if the thing that you want was going to happen, why wouldn't have it have already happened today, right? Like, why wouldn't it have happened to date?Lesley Logan 26:43  Doing doing the exact same things over and over again, expecting a different result is insanity.Brad Crowell 26:48  So, I mean, that's not, that's yes, but yes, it is not a you have to change in order to get attain, or grow, or any of those things.Lesley Logan 26:58  If you hate your job, but you never look for another job, the likelihood of a job landing in your lap isn't going to happen unless you're telling people, I want a new job.Brad Crowell 27:07  Yeah, yeah. I mean, and putting that out there allows people to start, you know, responding to you, responding to that, thinking about you. You are constantly thinking about that. You know, it's you gotta, you gotta take action. Y'all take action. Lesley Logan 27:27  What do you like? Brad Crowell 27:27  My favorite thing was, when she was talking about comfort zone, we were just kind of covering it. But the comfort zone, it is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there, and I'm not and like, it's just another way to talk about, like, what we were just saying that I've never really thought about, I don't know, like we have these goals and what's going to happen, like, we want to get to this place or or build this thing, or have a house, or I don't buy a car, or whatever it is, like, whatever the goal is, Right? And then when we get it, you know, I think, I think that there's a time to we can allow ourselves to enjoy the thing, and we should. It's important to celebrate, right? But that shouldn't be the end of the story, right? We're not going to celebrate forever. We're not going to enjoy it forever. There's, I think, like there. This is where this idea of balance, like there's, there's a, imagine, if you're, let's think about about, like a work week. Imagine if the work week, you take the weekend to enjoy the fishing boat that you bought, because you use it, you go out and you use it. But then during the week, you're doing what you're moving the ball forward with life with, you know, there's you're creating growth. And this idea that the comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there, you know, unless you're trying to become a pro fishermen you know, or woman, you're not going out on the fishing boat to practice. You're going out in the fishing boat to enjoy. It's a comfort. It's a comfort, but, but nothing's growing there, you know, except maybe your beer belly, right? Because you're just throwing them back. Lesley Logan 29:09  It's an interesting analogy. I can follow it, I think so.Brad Crowell 29:15  She quoted Marianne Williamson. She said, our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. I don't know. I'm like, she's I think she's an interesting lady, yet she's very influential. But I think that, I don't think that people are afraid that they're powerful. I think that's a that's like, that's an interesting, intriguing thing to say, but I don't think anybody thinks about themselves being powerful and being afraid of that, unless maybe, if they're a parent, maybe then they're like, oh my god, I'm in I have I'm responsible for somebody's life. There's power there.Lesley Logan 29:53  I certainly hope every parent thinks that. I really wonder. Brad Crowell 29:56  I really hope so. But. Lesley Logan 29:58  Our listeners, who are parents, do. So I hear you. I don't, because I don't go wrong. I'm so powerful. I'm going to, like, I don't. I often think, like, oh my god, I'm not good enough for this, but I understand the sentiment. And so if we just put a different person's name on there, I think you probably wouldn't doubt it so much. Brad is just showing his true colors on Marianne Williamson, I actually think that is I, I actually think I can explain that sentence too. So many people's goals actually scare them. You don't think of a goal in life that you want to do. Nothing comes to your mind of something that you desire to do unless you had the power to do it right. And so I think their goals are exciting, and then scare the fuck out of them. And so I think that that's what the deepest fear is (inaudible) because they're what they what everybody here believe, like, someday I'm going to be doing X, but then they go, then they have to, like, take the next step, and it's like, oh, how am I going to do that? You know, like, and so I actually think that that's where the line is, but.Brad Crowell 31:03  I just, I just went to a rally where somebody made an announcement that they were going to run for a political office, and and I immediately felt scared for them, of like, oh my god, this is like a really tall order, like, this is a this is a huge this felt intimidating, and it created this fear. And it was really weird, because it was a relatively intimate setting. And she, she jokingly said, Does anybody think I'm crazy? And I raised my hand, and she said, Oh, you have a question? And I said, no, I think you're crazy to the whole crowd. I said, But crazy in a good way. I said, this. This creates a lot of fear in me, but it's the kind of fear that makes you want to go do the thing. It's not like the fear of that, like, incapacitating fear, but it's that, like, it's like, if anybody's ever done skydiving, there's that moment where you're leaning out of the plane and you're like, holy shit, I'm about to do this, right? And, yeah, so, you know, I think, you know, there's something to that, like, that's, that's kind of fear, that is, like, it is motivating, yeah, you know what I mean.Lesley Logan 32:28  Yeah, I do. I think it's really great. I think that, like, I really just like what Wendy said, let's go back to when quoting Wendy, yeah, which is the comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there. Like, a comfort zone is like laying on your couch every night watching binge watching Netflix, but wishing you had a friend or a partner. Nothing's growing on that fucking couch. Nothing so you know, what else?Brad Crowell 32:52  Yeah. Well, that just made me think of your coffee for two things. I thought, I think it's I just really think it's cool that you were very intentional about how you were building your life so that you weren't just sitting on the couch, or weren't just working yourself to death. You know, in the middle of working hard.Lesley Logan 33:09  I also saved every Thursday night for a date night. Would not let a fry, would not hang out with a friend if nothing had nothing, no one asked. I just went home on a Thursday night. I saved that night and I saved Christmas for a partner. Look what I got.Brad Crowell 33:25  That's right, you're lucky to have me. Lesley Logan 33:26  I got a divorcee who would ever let him go.Brad Crowell 33:32  Wendy said when you get to the other side of that comfort that is more beautiful, and yes, you will then grow. So comfort, I feel like has its place, but it's also it can be like a sticking point. So, yeah, I think it's great. I think, you know, there's a time for it, but there's also a time to keep moving. Yeah. Brad Crowell 33:57  Well, stick around. We, by the way, I don't know if we said this yet, except for the very beginning, but Wendy is a fireball of energy.Lesley Logan 34:08  Oh, if you haven't listened, you need to go, she's like a cold shower in a good way, you know. Brad Crowell 34:13  Yeah, it's such a fun conversation. Lesley Logan 34:16  If you're having a funky day, you gotta go listen to it. You'll have an unfunky day. Brad Crowell 34:20  Yes, love it. Lesley Logan 34:21  I'm pretty sure that this recap is one of the weirdest you've ever listened to, so.Brad Crowell 34:24  Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to cover those epic Be It Action Items that we got from Wendy, that she made up on the treadmill right before while she's doing her workout, right before your interview. So we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 34:38  All right, so finally, all right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. Say it with me, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Wendy Valentine? Lesley Logan 34:52  Well, why don't you start? Brad Crowell 34:53  Yeah, so she made up her own Be It framework, and she said, B become your own BFF. She really is focused on self-love, I think that was one of the things that she learned after going through her midlife crisis. She said you've got to stop that ticker tape of thoughts, the negative thoughts, and replace it with something really good, friendly thoughts. E, envision, envision who you want to become, not just the what, who you want to become, not just the what. Right? I is invite her in, act as if, literally say every single day, act like the woman or person you want to become, right? So invite her in. And then T she said take it. Lesley Logan 35:37  Take action. Brad Crowell 35:38  Take it. She asked how do you get courage? By taking action. Leap and then network will appear, right? So I love it. I think that's a great spin on, you know, bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted.Lesley Logan 35:51  And she gave more. But also I feel like we should like save this, because this is a great way to describe what being it till you see it is. From the beam of light of Wendy Valentine. She defined it for us. She also said she heard Deepak Deepak Chopra say, feel your way through life. Feel your way through life. And so she advised, no matter what we were doing, to ask ourselves, how does it feel, and more importantly, how does it feel to who you are becoming and the life you're creating? Does it does it lie? Does it align? That's, that's not a one-hit wonder, but it's a great song. She also said stop overthinking. Just feel your way through life. I, actually, I know that can scare people, because they're like, I they're like, holding a tight grip on life, because, if they like, let go, chaos is gonna happen. It's gonna fucking happen anyways. That's life. I tell you right now, on one of these days, we'll tell you about how hot the house got and how we had to move a workshop.Brad Crowell 36:48  Oh that was so fun. Lesley Logan 36:49  You know, like, it doesn't matter how planned out your life is, how well you thought about all the things, how many reminders you sent things, the AC can still blow because it's not like it has a warning symbol. So I'm just telling you all, explode. So stop overthinking and feel your way through. Because I promise you, if you can take that like, just feel your way through and then your tight grip on reality, I think you're gonna land right there in the middle. So.Brad Crowell 37:16  It's a win.Lesley Logan 37:17  I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 37:18  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 37:19  Thank you so much for listening to our amazing episode, I have to say, let us know if you like how the wheels fell off today, and if you think it was great, or if you want us to go back to how we've done it before. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 37:33  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 37:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley sits down with coach, author, and podcast host Wendy Valentine to explore radical self-transformation in midlife. Wendy shares how to shed limiting identities, align with your true self, and treat “energy” as a constant evolution. You will hear practical steps to envision who you're becoming, invite her in, and take bold action without waiting for perfect timing.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Chiseling away identities that are not you to reveal your authentic self.Comfort zones vs. growth: why familiar isn't the same as aligned.Wendy's midlife pivot from breakdown to purpose-driven rebuilding.Her BE IT method: Become, Envision, Invite, Take action.Feeling your way through life instead of overthinking every move.Episode References/Links:Wendy Valentine Website - https://wendyvalentine.comWendy Valentine Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/wendy_valentine_Free Access to FREEDOM Meditations - https://beitpod.com/freedommeditationsThe Midlife Makeover Show - https://wendyvalentine.com/podcastBook: Women Waking Up by Wendy Valentine - https://wendyvalentine.com/womenwakingupEp. 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksStephanie Gass on Cathy Heller's Podcast - https://beitpod.com/stephaniegassGuest Bio:Wendy Valentine is a speaker, certified professional life coach, and author of Women Waking Up—a midlife rebel with a mission to help women reignite their spark and embrace the magic of midlife. As the host of The Midlife Makeover Show podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally and #1 in midlife on iTunes and Spotify, Wendy inspires her listeners to embrace the magic of midlife and live with passion and purpose. Through her transformative group coaching program, F.R.E.E.D.O.M. at Midlife, and her in-person retreats, Wendy helps women kick fear to the curb, reclaim their joy, and live life on their terms. Whether she's soaking up the beauty of Madeira, Portugal, or cruising across the USA in her trusty motorhome, Felicia, Wendy lives for adventure and believes that life only gets better with age. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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And we, deep down, know what those things are, but sometimes we still cling to those things that we are not, right, because it feels comfortable.Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  All right, Be It babe. I'm so obsessed. I'm so obsessed with today's guest. Like, there's times I'm like, oh, I love all these people. And then there's times I'm like, okay, this guest, I want to be friends with. I want to have coffee with. I want to have a weekly date with. When I enter her, I'd say, like, she is like, this beam of light. And I'm telling you, she's a beam of light, and she really, really, really creates this amazing space for you to step up into the woman that you are wanting to be it till you see it. So Wendy Valentine's, our guest, super, super fun. She's the host of the Midlife Makeover Show, and I was on her show. So if you want to go check out that show to get to know her more. And you know, that's a good episode to start with, because obviously you trust me, so there's that. And then you can, like, go through all of her catalog. She's just so amazing. So I'm gonna let us get into this episode so you can get all the good stuff coming from Wendy Valentine. Lesley Logan 1:45  All right, Be It babe, today's guest and I are already having too much fun. She's only in Sedona right now, so she's not too far off, but I feel like we should be hanging out in real life. Wendy Valentine, you're just, tell everyone why you're just such the magical like beam of light that we all want to be around and be your best friend.Wendy Valentine 2:16  How much time do we have?Lesley Logan 2:21  I mean at least 30 minutes of you telling us why you're so amazing.Wendy Valentine 2:27  There is one word that I hear all the time. It's a word that's used to describe me the most. No, it's not crazy. I do get that sometimes, but it's energy, energy, energy, energy. And I was thinking about this this morning, because, as we know, like, energy cannot be created or destroyed. Yeah, it's only transformed into something else, right? You had an ice cube on the pan back there in the RV, and then it melts into water, and then eventually it goes into steam. And I think that's like, I feel like, for myself right now in my life, like I am becoming that steam and moving into the universe. That sounds all so voodoo, but it's like that constant evolving, which I think is so magnificent, and just moving into the energy of it all.Lesley Logan 3:18  Yeah, I think that's so cool. So how did you become someone who is, like, known for energy? Like, how did this like, have like, were you born this way? Was this your job when you were in your 20s? Did this just happen?Wendy Valentine 3:30  Well, you know, I mean, good question. I mean, as you know, we're all energy, but I think it's when I really started to own, to own it, to own who I am and to create who I wanted to be, not to family and friends and society and all that other crap wanted me to be. It's when I finally stepped into my true self and my true calling. And I think you know what? Like that whole like, be your authentic self, be your true self, that's all like being thrown around a lot these days. We're like, what does that mean? What does it mean, really?Lesley Logan 4:04  I know, but tell me how, but tell me how. Because I was born like I was raised in like, follow these instructions. Do this work. If you do all these things, then everything works out, which is bullshit and so and then people go and then be your authentic self. And I'm like, okay, but how? Because I don't think I've ever been, I was never taught to be authentic. I was taught to follow the rules. Wendy Valentine 4:23  Yeah, you know what though? It's more about it's not learning who you are to become. It's learning who you are not. And I love the analogy of Michelangelo and the beautiful statue of David. Let's all picture him for a moment. Oh yes. But when they when they asked Michelangelo, how did you carve the statue of David? He's like, oh, that was easy. I just carved away everything that was not him. So if you think about it, you should always have that chisel in your hand in the nicest of ways, but constantly and consciously be chiseling away the things that are not you. And we, deep down, know what those things are, but sometimes we still cling to those things that we are not, right, because it feels comfortable. Even though it's uncomfortable, it's comfortable, it's like, but this is who I am. This is my identity, yeah.Lesley Logan 5:14  Well, and I think, like, I think a lot of people, you said it's my identity, it's their identity, to be always going through drama, to be always like, to always have a shit day at work. Like, can you believe it? Can you believe this happened? Like those, it's that's some people's identity. And, like, I get so annoyed with myself when I, like, hear myself repeating the same negative, bad thing that happened, and I'm like, is this becoming something that has, like, a growth on my shoulder, or like, like, is this becoming part of the of like, of the not the costume, but like, what is Lesley? Because it's like, I don't want to hear this anymore, so I definitely don't want to stick around. So I love the idea of a, I go a visual, physical chisel going no, no, no.Wendy Valentine 5:58  Part of you know that is not you. There's that quote from Marianne Williamson, it is my fave, and it's got me through the toughest of times, or gotten me to where I'm at now. And she says, our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us, because you think about it, if you were to step fully into your light, what does that mean? Like what does that look like? Right? Because that would require, possibly, just like myself, it would require maybe a divorce, maybe quitting a job you hate, maybe moving, maybe buying an RV like I did. Maybe, I mean, it's going to require you to actually move and do some shit in your life if you truly stepped into your light, but, or you could just stay right there in the dark because it's more comfortable, because it's predictable. The darkness is predictable, the the uncomfortable comfort zone is predictable, predictable, right? Yeah.Lesley Logan 7:03  Yeah, I mean, I don't know who said it, but, like, there is, like, that story of, like, why does a dog, like, not move off of sitting on that rock? It's like, well, the rock isn't uncomfortable enough, you know, and so a lot of people wait to, wait so long, and so they're so uncomfortable, and then they shed it all, and then they step into this light. And that, it can be scary. Like we interviewed Gay Hendricks on this podcast, and he is the, I know, I fucking love him, he's such a sweet man. He's just, he, like, every time I go to Cambodia, he's like, did you get some milk fruit? Like, he's just, he's like, it's the best fruit. And he is right. It is the best fruit. And it's only available half of the time, so I'm never there, but I got to have it. But at any rate, he talks about your big leap is, like, because, like, when you are in your comfort zone, you can even, like, he even called like, your your like, zone of genius, and you're like, okay, well, that's a good spot to be in. Like, that's like, amazing, but it's or zone of excellence, excuse me. Like, of course I would like to be there. Like, that sounds really good, but like, that's actually still uncomfortable, but like it's comfortable, like it's actually not where your light is, that you're talking about, it's like, it's like, there's another layer, there's an outer ring, there's that ring of light around Saturn, and you're supposed to be there. Wendy Valentine 7:03  That's just like, dipping your toe in the water. Lesley Logan 7:13  Yeah, but then he and he talks about, like, how, well, when you get to that zone of genius, when you get to that outer ring, you get to your light, then there's, like, a few things that we do to just fuck it all up and bring us back to that comfortable discomfort, you know, like that self-deprivation.Lesley Logan 7:13  And a comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there.Lesley Logan 8:38  Oh, Wendy Valentine, say it one more time.Wendy Valentine 8:44  Soak it up. Soak it up. A comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there. So if you want to grow, I know y'all do, you have got to get out of that damn comfort zone. You know, I want to say though, I was on the treadmill this morning, and I was thinking. Lesley Logan 8:58  Do you have a treadmill in your RV or do you go the gym? Wendy Valentine 9:04  No, I'm actually at this nice resort. I mean, RVing has come a long way, y'all, thank God.Lesley Logan 9:09  I mean, we live in our van like it's it's not so bad. Sometimes it's better than the hotel.Wendy Valentine 9:12  We got, we got hot tubs, we got swimming pools, we got food trucks. I mean, we don't mess around over here. But yeah, I was at the gym this morning and I was walking on the treadmill, and I was thinking, I love the name I have since the moment when I met you and I heard about your podcast. I love the name of your podcast. Be It Till You See It. And I got choked, people were probably like, why is that lady over there balling on the treadmill? And you know, right now, I'm reaping the benefits of what I sowed years ago and getting outside of my damn comfort zone. But you know, what's so cool? I might cry right now. I did not put on waterproof mascara, but I am seeing it in my life, all those seeds I planted years ago, and that amount of time. I watered and watered those damn seeds. It's like, I'm seeing it. It's like, it's so freaking cool when you get to that other side, and yes, you will, is so it is beautiful. It's much more beautiful. And, and yes, you will grow when you get to the other side of it. If you want, I can take y'all back to my breakdown to breakthrough. Lesley Logan 10:22  I was just gonna say, I think we need to go back to the seed planting days, or at least, like, the days before the RV, the day before the book, the days before the podcast. Like, what, what? Like, who were you? How did because we love you now. But like, we loved you then. But like, what? What was the reason for all what was the reason for all this, you know, seed reaping? Wendy Valentine 10:43  And we all love a good breakdown and a breakthrough story. Lesley Logan 10:46  Yeah, we do. Wendy Valentine 10:47  But make sure everyone grab your violin, (inaudible) sad song right now. So let's see. For about 45 years old, here I was. I was living in Virginia, going through a divorce, empty nest. I had chronic illness, black mold toxicity, Lyme disease. We'll toss in a little menopause, just, for fun.Lesley Logan 11:10  Yeah. I mean, for sure, probably, yeah.Wendy Valentine 11:13  Yeah, yeah. I was at least 150 grand in debt, unemployed. Let's see what else. Oh, within a six week period, I had to watch my dog die, my cat die, and my brother die. And then from all of that, I started experiencing panic attacks, anxiety, and needless to say, I went into a massive, deep, dark, awful depression. So here I was, 45 years old, and I was like, shit, now what? And, I mean, I kept thinking, I was like, I only turned 50. That's like, like, that, that halfway mark, if you're that lucky that it's an halfway mark, right? And I don't know if anything could have gotten worse for me in that moment. And let's, let's just all imagine the scene. I literally was laying on my bathroom floor, like laying there, bawling my eyes out, feeling sorry for myself, I'll admit, and I was thinking, What the hell am I going to do? And all of a sudden, like, and it was part of me like this, this vision popped in my head, and it was, it was a little bit of an escape, I'll admit, but it was a beautiful escape. And I was like, wouldn't be nice to just get the fuck out of here? You know, like, I just want to escape my my life that I was in. And I was like, I want to drive an RV across the country. And then I'm like, man. And then, of course, that nagging voice in my head was like, yeah, you're broke, you don't have a job. How that? How are you going to do that? And but then I was like, you know, I just want to sit here and think about this dream. It was the only thing that gave me hope. And so I thought, you know what? What the hell like my life. I was already down here. The only way was going up, right? I was like, let's just go for it. What's the worst that could happen? I'm gonna fucking go for it. So I got up and I started applying for jobs all the way across the country, like I was, I was so desperate. I was like, I'll take anything. Okay, I'll sell popsicles in Mexico. I don't care, whatever. So then I get a job offer a week later, selling, you'll probably, you're probably familiar with his name, Pulte, Pulte Del Webb, I got a job offer with Pulte to sell new construction homes in Chicago. And I was like, Chicago. Never been there. I didn't know how to sell homes, but what the hell. I pack off the U-Haul. I drive from Virginia to Chicago. I start my job on Monday. About a year later, I went from making $0 to a half a million dollars. Obviously, paid off all my debt, bought this RV that I'm sitting in right now. Now, mind you, okay, I love Pulte, and it was a great, beautiful company. But I am not a corporate girl. I am not. Like, that's a chisel where I was like, girl listen here, you're not you, you know. And I will have to say, that's a lesson in itself, right there. Don't be afraid to try something. That does not mean if you try something, you can't pivot, okay?Lesley Logan 14:33  Right and also, like, can I just, like, say, like, I mean, clearly, Pulte was, like, quite the bridge to show you what you're capable of, and it get was a one, the fact that in one year, you can make that much money, going from zero to that much money, and not become someone who doesn't like, take your dreams the next level. You actually like, used it to launch yourself. I think it's like, I think it's so cool. Wendy Valentine 14:57  Yes and how easy would it have been for me to stay there. Lesley Logan 15:00  Oh, yeah and so. Wendy Valentine 15:01  Everyone was like, why are you gonna leave this job that you're you're killing it, killing it. I was like, yeah, but this is not for me. The chisel.Lesley Logan 15:09  Well and also, yeah, the chisel, I love that. And also, like, we had a lot of people that are like, I want to do this thing. I'm just gonna go all in. And I'm like, honey, if you can't pay for your bills, you can't pay your food, you are going to put pressure on this dream you have. Go get a job at Starbucks, make sure your bills are paid, have health insurance, all the things, and then use every other minute to make this thing happen. So I actually think it's really cool that not only you did it in a year, but that you, at a year, were able to, like, evaluate and go, I gotta chisel this off, because this isn't me, and not listen to the family who's like, you should just stay and make all that money. Wendy Valentine 15:46  Yes and remind yourself, if you are in a job you don't love, you're you're in a relationship you don't love, you're living in a place you don't love, remind yourself this is temporary. Everything is temporary, right? I mean, all in all, everything is temporary. Just remind yourself like this is just for now. This is just for now. Like, every day when I'd be, like, driving in the snow in Chicago, heading to this job to, like, talk about granite countertops. I was like, It's okay. I can do this. I cant do this. But then, yeah, I was like, all right, well, what am I going to do? I don't want to work for corporate. I and I was like, you know, I've always, I want to be a writer. I always knew I would become a writer. I was like, I want to be a writer. How am I? How am I going to become a writer? And I always wanted to have my own show. So I was like, how am I going to do this? And I had to be able to work remotely. Obviously, because traveling in an RV, I had to be able to work remotely, right? So I was listening to Cathy Heller's podcast and she was interviewing Stephanie Gass. And something, you know, it's like, if you get that funny feeling in your tummy, that gut instinct of like, I need to move on this. I don't know what it is, just do not question it. Just go for it. I hired Stephanie Gass, and within 30 minutes, I knew exactly what my niche was going to be and what my podcast was going to be called. And I was like, that's it. I had I had it. I was like, I'm going to talk about midlife. I'm going to talk about not even just midlife, but transforming your life. Because I did it, like, I was the guinea pig, right? I'm like, I did, I know how to do it. So I kept my day job, and then at night, I started working on my dream business. I started working on the website and then the photography and the the podcast, all, all the stuff, you know, right? Started doing my research and just little by little, and then eventually, the RV, finally, I ordered it like eight months before, finally arrived and it was go time to quit my job and take off into the Sedona sunset.Lesley Logan 17:51  Okay but also, like, I think it's so, I wanted to say, like, I think sometimes we, like, underestimate what we can do in a short period of time, because you just celebrated 50. Am I correct?Wendy Valentine 18:01  Yeah, yeah. So it took me, well, actually, I'm 52. It took me from the moment, like when I moved to Chicago, to taking off in the RV, it took me approximately two and a half years, and then I've been on the road for three so, yes, it takes time. And is it easy? Hell no. Is it worth it? Hell yes.Lesley Logan 18:23  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, there's, you know, like, I think things happen faster than we think, and some things are a little slower than we expected. Like, the time, we never get the timeline exactly right. But also, like, it would have been so like, could you imagine on the bathroom floor being like, well, it's gonna take a long time. I don't know. Like, I bet, you know what I mean, I think we just take, we talk ourselves out of things so and we also think, well, I'm at this age. I should be already. Like, I should be doing this program. I should have this already. I mean, like, I kind of think it's really cool that you were the guinea pig and you can actually, like, guide so many women who, for sure, are, I said, someone on the podcast, she's like, I'm a bird launcher. I'm not an empty nester. Like, I want I like, I launched some birds. And she's, you know, but you can take the.Wendy Valentine 18:24  That's what I did. I was like, shoo, shoo. Get out. Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, get out of the nest. It's mine now. But like, I think that there's a ton of people who work, not given the opportunity or encouraged when they were moms and wives and partners to be selfish and do their thing like I do believe that there's a ton of women who did and so, so if you're listening, yay for you, but I think a lot of people were not, and they had to wait, and then they waited, and then they're like, well, I don't even know who I am, and everyone says to be authentic. And so I feel like you asked to be you to help people so you're right and then you have this amazing podcast, which, I got to be honest, is amazing. And it's like, but it's mid it's called Midlife Makeover. Correct? Wendy Valentine 19:51  Yep, The Midlife Makeover Show.Lesley Logan 19:53  Yes. Okay, so let's talk about like, do you feel like you do what you do? Do you feel like you'll ever run out of topics to talk about when it comes to midlife? Like, what are you and then, and then also turn it into a book. So let's go into, like, how you've, like, really made this whole thing happen.Wendy Valentine 20:10  You know, what I love about my niche is that there's so much going on in midlife. I mean, like, if I had to talk about one topic every day, oh, my God, I could not stand it. I mean, yesterday I interviewed a lady where, like, it was about grief. She lost her daughter. Daughter was 17 years old when she died. The day before, I got to talk about hormones and menopause, and then the day before that, I got to talk about divorce, like there's so, because there is so much going on. And I love, I love being the catalyst to help other people make their dreams come true. I love that I can provide that hope, whether it's with me or with a guest, or whether it's just simply, I mean, right, the best way we can teach others is by example. Like I don't, I don't fluff anything like you, what you see is what you get. Like, I didn't just say I did it or say that I'm gonna do it. Like, here you go, you know. And you know, I, what was I going to tell you? Oh, I did create the acronym for you. I have four little lessons to teach you today.Lesley Logan 21:16  Do you want to teach us now or do you want to put in the Be It Action Items?Wendy Valentine 21:20  I'm gonna teach it to you really quick. Lesley Logan 21:21  Okay, let's do it. Wendy Valentine 21:22  It's, it's the Be It, right? And this is what I just told you, that story, these are four little guide posts that you can follow so that you, too, can actually, no matter if it's a little tweak in your life or a big tweak, a big change, you can make it happen. So the B in Be It is become your own BFF like you have got to be so nice to yourself, and you have got to listen to that ticker tape of thoughts running across in your mind. And you've got to stop that ticker tape of thoughts and replace it with some really good, friendly thoughts. Because this right here, I'm pointing to my head with my large head of hair, this will either be your best friend or your worst critic, and you are the one that decides, not Instagram, not your mom, not your dad, not your partner, not your kids, it's you like that is the one thing that you have, not one, but one of the many things you have control over. And actually starting there, it's a ripple effect of everything else in your life. If you can get that under control, and yes, you can, you change your thoughts, you change your beliefs. We've all heard it before, but do we really apply it and really try it? So, yes, become your own BFF, just love the shit out of yourself. The E is envision. You've got to envision who you want to become, not the what it's great to, to, like, dream about things and RVs and (inaudible) right, but who do you want to become? Journal about it. Think about it. Take a walk and just imagine the woman that you would want to become and without limitation, right? The I is invite her in. You have got to literally, every single day, and this is exactly what I did, because my Aunt Annie said to me, when I was like in the down, down in the dumps, in depression, and I'm sitting on the couch when she goes, darling, you have always wanted to be an actress, so why don't you just start acting like the woman you want to become? And I was like, oh, I can do that. And I thought about that, right? Like we're all we're all brainwashed. We're all brainwashed into whoever we are, but we can brainwash ourselves into becoming whoever the hell we want to be. Lesley Logan 23:39  Yes, yes. Wendy Valentine 23:41  Yep. So I did. I was like, you know what? How, like you, imagine a drone flying over your head and observing you all day long. How is this woman, this powerful, amazing, gorgeous woman? How does she walk? How does she walk into a room? How does she talk? How does she eat? How does she sleep? How does she, what did she do when she first gets out of bed? Like, is she like, oh my god, I think I'm so grateful I'm alive. Thank you. Thank you. Observe her like and and be her like, literally when you put your shoes on, you put your slippers on or whatever, imagine that those are her shoes and that, and literally act like her, even if someone else is like, why she acting so funny? Just keep doing it.Wendy Valentine 24:26  Yeah, no. I mean, let them, let them wonder why you're acting so funny. Wendy Valentine 24:27  Yes, yes, exactly. Lesley Logan 24:28  They'll just wonder. They get to wonder. And if you want to go talk about it to people like, I thank God for my time in L.A., where I learned, like, all publicity is good. Like, there's no such thing as bad, you know. Let them talk on how weird you are.Wendy Valentine 24:45  (inaudible) Yeah. Finally, T is take action. I think you even say that in your intro about taking action, right? You have to, like, how do you get courage? By taking action. Like if you, if you had a jar, an empty jar, and I have an empty jar, how do you fill up your jar of courage? And how do I fill up mine? We each have to do that on our own. I cannot hand courage. It would be great, right? If like, here, here you go, Lesley, let me give you some courage. You have to do that your own. And you do that by taking action, even if you fall on your face, even if you fall on your face. I didn't know how to even drive an RV. I was like, oh my god. So you figure shit out, right? Like, leap of the net will appear. Like, leap you will figure this stuff out. And that's how you become so resilient and strong. And then it's the tiniest of things I don't know about you, it's like the tiniest of little accomplishments. You're like, that's right. I did that. Like, that's right. I just actually figured out how to dump the dumper on the survey (inaudible) things. I'm like, I did that. (inaudible) So don't forget to celebrate yourself.Lesley Logan 25:53  I believe, all of a sudden, I think like, that is where confidence comes in. Like, people think like confidence comes like, you have to wait for you, once you're confident, then you can do the thing. It's like, no, actually, you get confident by doing the thing. Like, I remember we bought our van, which is not even as big as an RV, we don't need a special license for it. It actually fits in parking spaces. I mean, it's the it's the longest and the tallest of the vehicles that you don't need another license for. And the first time we took it on we took we drove it. I had no problems driving out of the gas station. I had no problems. Like, once we were like, pointing the right direction, like, I'm like, I got this. But one time we were needing to go, and Brad was asleep, and I'm like, I have to hit reverse. There's no rear view mirror. Like, I gotta do this with this tall vehicle. I'm super long. I got a white like, I and it has a camera. It's like, just follow the camera. I'm like, I can't even it's like, this big, just the camera? What, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I hope it beeps. If someone's wrong, I like, what if there's a pole, you know, like one of the, so I like, literally, get out of the car, got out of the car and I do a walk around. I'm like, okay, there's no poles. So the worst thing that happens is that someone or something drives behind me while I'm doing this, and it's supposed to beep, and I'm gonna trust that, and now I come back anytime I want, like, but you I had to, I could not, Brad's telling me you can do this. Like you used to drive jeeps, like, you know what you're doing. Like, he's like, you can none of that confidence and courage being told at me helped me get the confidence, like actually reversing the car and doing it myself.Wendy Valentine 27:32  And sometimes it's the tiniest of things that just gives you a little boost. It's a little reminder that, yes, you can do this and keep going and keep going. Yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 27:41  Okay, you published a book. Now, can we talk about it? I mean, it says, Women Waking Up: The Midlife Manifesto for Passion, Purpose, and Play. Women waking up. Also, I love the colors. It's like every beautiful shade of pink lipstick, like, yes, yes, yes.Wendy Valentine 28:00  I know, isn't she? It's my little baby. This is actually, like, this is the advanced copy. So it's not even a real copy. But yes, I know. It just went into preorder this week. Lesley Logan 28:10  When is it publishing for reals? Wendy Valentine 28:12  Um, it publishes, it comes out on 9-9. Lesley Logan 28:15  Okay. Wendy Valentine 28:16  9-9 is the time, but and you know what? Before I got into writing books and things like that, I didn't know, I was like, why is everyone why don't they do the preorder? Why? Because I don't get the book. I'll give you $500 worth of reasons (inaudible). Literally, right now, pre-order the book. Because here's the thing, you could if you wanted to, you can literally start making changes today, just with the bonuses that you get with the book. Let me tell you what the bonuses are. Lesley Logan 28:44  Tell us, tell us because this is going to come out before 9-9 so you all can take advantage of this. Wendy Valentine 28:48  Oh yeah. You get the Women Waking Up Playbook. It's like 100 plus pages. You can download them. They are cute, colorful and cute and wonderful. You get the Freedom At Midlife Meditations that go along with the book, just to elevate your mind and help you become your own best friend, right? You get the Map At Your Midlife Dream Workshop, your customizable digital vision board. Thank you very much. I love that thing. Love it. I love it. Love it. What else? A $200 voucher to my Freedom At Midlife Program, and my fave, the Women Waking Up Spotify playlist. Yeah, so that's it. You literally get all of that. Lesley Logan 29:30  Before I even read the book. I can change my life before. And then when I read it, I mean, like, reminding me all these amazing other things. Wendy Valentine 29:37  Yeah, I know. And by the time the book arrives, then you'll get to read the rest of the story and then be like, Yeah, I already did that. Check, check, check. Lesley Logan 29:44  Yeah. So you're just putting all these little drops of confidence into your bucket as you read it, and then you get more, oh, I love this. Wendy, we need more time with you. I need, we need to hang out. I'm not, I'm not kidding. Like, is your RV heading my way before it's too hot? Like, I would just like to know.Wendy Valentine 30:01  You know what? I was gonna go to Nevada, because I'm starting this book tour now, but now I'm going up towards Denver. (inaudible) Maybe when I come back.Lesley Logan 30:07  On the way back, on your way back, you can do it. There's a great book shop called Writer's Block. There's some really cute bookstores in Vegas that are, like, great for doing some sort of tour of some kind, I agree, yes. Or you can go to one of my friends' amazing shops, and they'll, they'll host you. So just let me know, because I'll help make it happen. Because there's women here who need you. Oh, my God, we have to take a brief break, and then we'll get all your links and how we can, like, totally like, stalk you and like, the kids call you, stan you, you know, like stalker fan in one, one moment. Lesley Logan 30:34  All right, Wendy Valentine, favorite place to hang out on the internet, where's the links to pre-order the book, like, where, where's give us everything.Wendy Valentine 30:53  Do all the things. Okay. Instagram, it's got to be my fav. And I do share some cool, fun stuff, right? Lesley Logan 30:57  You do. I love watching your life. You carry a dog with in a bag. Wendy Valentine 30:58  I have some valuable content, with fun stuff too. So yes, Wendy Valentine on Instagram, and probably the best hub is wendyvalentine.com and from there, I know a lot of people have freebies, but my freebies really are awesome. Lesley Logan 31:16  Yeah there's 100 page freebie. I'm just gonna tell you right now, you, above and beyond, lady. Wendy Valentine 31:22  Yeah, yeah. So click, there's a freebies tab. You can even take a superhero quiz on there. That's my fav. There's a book tab on there that is where you can get all of your bonuses when you pre-order the book. And the book is everywhere, Women Waking Up, it's Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target. It's everywhere. And what else? Yeah, that's, that's it. And then, The Midlife Makeover Show, that's everywhere, where you listen to podcasts, even on YouTube, you can even watch the, you know, the playback of of me interviewing people in an RV.Lesley Logan 31:52  Yeah, yeah. You can listen. You can also watch the Be It Pod, you guys, we're on YouTube as well. You know, it's, I know, it's this fun thing. You do this thing for audio, and then people want the visual. So you we gotta do it all. Wendy Valentine 32:01  Give them the visual. Give them the visual. Lesley Logan 32:01  Okay, I love your acronym. So if you want that to be your Be It Action Item, we can replay that, that is totally fine. But if there's anything else we have to give these women that helps them ditch perfection, take that messy action, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps should they take, what else?Wendy Valentine 32:23  I would have to say, this is, I'm adopting this from Deepak Chopra, because I used to go to a lot of his retreats. And there was one thing he said to me, it's in his cute little accent, and he goes, you have to feel your way through life. I was like, what does that mean? I was like, feel my way through life, and we're so used to thinking everything through and probably overthinking, right? But ask yourself, no matter what it is that you're doing or thinking about doing, how does it feel to you? And most importantly, how does it feel to this new person, this new woman that you are creating in your life. How will it feel? Does that align with her? Does she like that? Does she not like it? And just enjoy. I mean, this, you get this tiny little we're like little blip of time on eternity in eternity, right? Like, just live it up in this little space and print in these parentheses. Just live it up and enjoy and stop overthinking. Just feel your way through life. Lesley Logan 33:25  I love that. And I actually really love him. He, I listened to him, remember, Oprah would actually release like, interviews on her like, podcast channel? And I listened to him talk about this time when he would go be a monk, right? Like his like, you know, go for like, I don't know, 30 days or something like that. And he the monk, his like, monk guide, was like, Oh, how was it walking through the jungle? And he's like, well, it hurt my feet. You know, it hurt my feet. And he and the guy goes, oh, well, when your foot is not on the ground, does it hurt? And he goes, No, I don't think so. He's like, well, then think about the other foot, right? Anyways, my husband is gonna love it. I have remembered that. Out of everything he said, I have remembered that so much because whenever my husband's like, oh, my knee hurts, I'm like, maybe you should think about your other knee. And I'm sure he's like.Wendy Valentine 33:26  Yeah or yeah, my arm hurts when I move it, like this, well stop moving it. Lesley Logan 33:35  What is your other arm, like, he like, heard something and I like, hit the other arm, and he's like, what are you do doing? I'm like, distracting you. It's from Dee it's from Deepak, fill the other one.Wendy Valentine 34:29  Refocusing, refocusing. You know? Lesley Logan 34:31  But I do agree. I think, like, you know, I know, I know the listeners, and I one of the reasons I want to have you on the show after I met you, is like, I know the women here will love listening to you, because we all came from this like time of overdoing overthinking. Have to map it all out. Has to has to feel like the right time, but not feel because we're not listening to our feelings, we're thinking our feelings and and so thank you for that. Be it actually, because I think we. Actually have to get into the feeling more, the actual feeling more, not the brain thinking feeling more. Wendy Valentine 35:04  Yeah, exactly. And especially since RVing, like, I'm on the no plan, plan like I don't. I used to plan everything in detail, and if I did not have that plan in place, I would not make a move. Now I'm like, I mean, 90 days is probably as much as I can plan, even though I like to dream and envision and things like that. Planning out too much does not leave room for miracles and spontaneity and the fun stuff. So don't forget to have fun and just enjoy, yeah.Lesley Logan 35:31  Yeah. Uh, I adore you. We'll have to run in, we'll run into each other someday, because I also love to get to we're gonna, we're gonna head down on our Summer Tour into Arizona, so maybe if you're still there, you know it's it's a little more than 90 days. So I'll ask you when it's closer, but you know, Wendy, thank you so much. Thank you for being you. Y'all go listen to her podcast. Go pre-order her book. Let us know. Tag Wendy. Tag the Be It Pod. Let us know what your favorite takeaway was. And by the way, I can't think of another episode you could send to like any woman over 40 right now that she will love. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How celebrating wins shifts focus from fear to progress.The seven quotes that sparked fresh perspective for Lesley.Nancy Lawrence's inspiring trip and community connections through eLevate.Reflections on graduating the fifth round of eLevate.A grounding affirmation to step into tomorrow with openness.Episode References/Links:Seven Quotes - https://www.instagram.com/p/DKR5bSlOeBc/Ep. 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksEp. 53: Launa Jae McClung - https://beitpod.com/launajaeEp. 532: Launa Jae McClung - https://beitpod.com/launajae2Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Happy Friday. Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. It's September 19th. It's episode 579. How did we get here? Holy moly. I am so excited. I actually just got back from my trips to the U.K. and it's just like it's good to be home. We're only home for a little bit, but it's good to be home. And so I just want to say, thanks for being here. Thanks for listening. Thanks for checking in on these episodes. They're short, they're sweet, they're full of things to think about, things you didn't know to think about, wins from other people that are supposed to, that I hope, that I intend, for them to remind you of wins that you're having in your life all the time. Because we're all having wins in our life, right? All the time. Like, yes, there's a lot going on in the stuff that's like, not good. Like, it feels really scary. I really know for a fact that it has to do with our lives or brains, like, looking for things that are not going well to make us like, to make sure we're like, not gonna die, so that we like, go, oh, that's like, I can't, I gotta avoid that. So bad things have, leave more of an impression than good things. But that is why, here at the Be It Pod, we celebrate wins, especially on Fridays. I'd love for you to have a gratitude journal of some kind, but if it's only on Fridays, that's also fine. It's okay. We're not here and we're not after perfection in this room, right? Lesley Logan 1:53  So okay, start off with a little inspiration. This is seven quotes that altered my brain chemistry all over again. So I really appreciated some of these. I'm gonna read them to you. The link, if you want them will be in the show notes. This is from Bruce Lee. Pain will leave you when it's done teaching you. Wow, should I read it again? Pain will leave you when it's done teaching you. And this therapist who posted this wrote, which is why it pays to listen to its messages and not avoid them. So then this is from Joe Hudson. Joy is the matriarch of emotions, and she won't visit you until all of her children have been welcomed. And so the therapist wrote, all the noise in my brain just stopped. All the motions in my heart just felt wildly, gorgeously protected. The third thing, this is from Perry Nickelston, @stopchasingpain. Every time you feel alive, you're being shown your medicine. And the therapist wrote, because flow is more powerful than any drug, and if you felt it, you design the rest of your life, creating space for it to show up again and again. If you need more of that, listen to Episode 400 Gay Hendricks. Okay, number four. This is from Rumi. Our task is not to seek love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. Oh, that is so deep. So the therapist wrote, because I firmly believe that we don't have a hard time finding love. We have a hard time letting it in. Number five, this is from Vex King. You're telling me that every time you thought you couldn't do you couldn't get through something difficult, you did, and now you're back here thinking you won't succeed. Trust your track record, my friend. Yeah, you can't argue with that. Like, yeah, trust your track record like you have survived every fail. I think Launa, Launa Jae, said that on the first interview we ever had with her, like you've survived every failure you've ever had. So you can do this. You can get through it. The sixth one, this is an unknown quote. Healing happens in circles, not line. You'll return to old places with new eyes. I like that. Healing happens in circles, not lines. You'll return to old places with new eyes. So if your faced, this is what the therapist wrote, if you're facing the same test again that you faced before, it's not that you failed, it's that you've been given another opportunity to succeed, this time with more armor. Number seven, this is from Gary Vaynerchuk, so Gary Vee and he's not always my favorite, but he's not not my favorite, like he always has, he says something direct all the time, right? Do your thing, because I'm telling you, when you're 90, you're going to be sad if you didn't do the thing that's in your stomach. So I agree with that. Like when I was in Brazil, I was like, I should I go doing this thing? And I said, well, when I'm older, and I tell people about my trip to Brazil, I'm gonna regret that I didn't do this thing. Am I gonna say, well, I didn't do that thing, and I had the money to do it, I had the time to do it, so I did it, right? Okay, so that that, my friends, is some things for you to think about. Now, let's share one, I would love to know if you like these things, by the way, just tell me if you hate it. You know, that's also information. I don't know that I'll quit it, but you know, it's always good to have the constructive feedback. Lesley Logan 5:07  Okay, so our win today is from Nancy Lawrence. Happy FYF eve. My win this week is that my eLevate besties Ainsley and Jennifer Mason and my daughter, Miranda, also in eLevate, just booked a trip to San Francisco in September. We will spend five glorious days together, touring the city, and we plan on visiting the Balanced Body factory in Sacramento. Along the way, we plan on reaching out to other eLevate members and visit them as well, if possible, the Beauty of Pilates, the eLevate program and yours, Lesley Logan, far surpasses borders and frontiers for me. Through eLevate, I've gained a new family, a set of sisters I never dreamed I would find, not to mention a beautiful, close relationship with my own daughter, who is now becoming an exceptional Pilates instructor. So her daughter is in eLevate this year. Actually, graduates this week, which is really cool. And it sounds like as I read this, they are in they're in San Francisco. So anyways, ladies, have the best time. I love that city. It's so amazing. I I truly love that people can let other people in and then have their lives changed and shared experiences are the things you can never take away from someone. So it's great to text a friend, it's great to call a friend, but you also got to do the things with friends. You got to do them. And I know it takes money, and I know it takes time, and sometimes you don't have those things, but if the person lives in your in your city, then it can be free to just go for a walk in the park. You've, the shared experiences matter. So ladies, thank you for sharing this, Nancy, especially, because not only are you inspiring us at like dedication and investing yourself as is a win, but also, like so as a win, of just planning a five day trip with your friends, right? And, like going places together, that's a win. Planning a trip is a win. So anyways, thank you for that. Lesley Logan 6:51  Okay, my win. We are wrapping up our fifth round of eLevate. This is the first, it's not the first year we've had two rounds. It's the first year we've graduated two rounds at the same time, and because I did a year where they overlapped, and that just doesn't work with my schedule, but it was, you know, The win was that we tried it and we figured out what we liked and we didn't like about it. And this year, we ran two rounds at the same time. I'm going to do that one more time next year, and then we're, we are using next year to kind of change the program a little bit so that we can accept the people that want to be in it and make sure they get the same they get the best results. But my win in celebrating the closure of eLevate round five and graduating all these amazing people is that, like, they taught me as much as I taught them, I hope. You know, even though I'm the expert, their coming to invest in their Pilates teaching and their education and to become a more amazing teacher, it is so incredibly rewarding for me to sit there and reflect on the questions that they're asking and the things that they're being challenged by, and really understand like, okay, how how can I help them? But how can they help themselves? And this group is just so fabulous and so amazing, and they're from all over the world. I mean, they're, every group is, every every group is. We had people from 20 years old to in their late 60s. We had people who are brand new to teaching to people who are getting close to retirement. And every single one of them added something to to this experience, and the win is just that, like we got to take it all in in a non-overwhelming way. And I want to celebrate my team at this point, because I cannot ever do eLevate alone. I want to celebrate the eLevate grads who supported this, and we had so many eLevate grads help me with the weekends auditing to assist me so that I can provide this information and have a great experience for each of these people and celebrate all the people on my team and also my husband and my family out here. Because people come out to our house, and we often need help, you know. So I had friends who loaned me equipment so that I could do this. So I just, I just think that, like, their graduation isn't much a win for them as it is a win for me and my team, because we get to be part of this. And Nancy's win just really inspired me celebrating this in this moment, because Nancy and Ainsley and Jennifer graduated a year ago, and just seeing how they've connected continuously after they graduated, and what they've done with their training just reminds me of why this exists, and I think we have to celebrate the things we do, even if, though, even if it's really the win is theirs. Because, you know, if you're holding space for people to evolve and change and become more of themselves, like, you got to take care of you, and I so did. My team made sure that I was fueled and fulfilled, and my cup was filled, and I had time off before and after, so that I could really take all this in and be present and to celebrate a win of nine months of putting this together and making it so magical that I want to do it again, and I can't wait, we'll do it in January. So anyways, that's my win. You can have, there's just so many different wins you could have in this world. So thank you for that, ladies. And you can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. Lesley Logan 10:08  And finally, your affirmation to repeat with me is, I look forward to tomorrow and the opportunities that await me. I look forward to tomorrow and the opportunities that await me. I look forward to tomorrow and the opportunities that await me. I look forward to that for you, too, and for me. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 10:29  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 11:11  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 11:16  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 11:21  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 11:27  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 11:31  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Your health isn't a number on the scale—it's how you treat your body every single day. In this recap, Lesley and Brad dive into the wisdom of Amber Romaniuk, an emotional eating, digestive, and hormone expert with over a decade of experience and host of The No Sugarcoating Podcast. This conversation challenges the myths we've been sold about health and inspires you to listen to your body, trust your instincts, and finally put yourself first.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why Pilates footwork is a full-body exercise, not just about the feetWhy BMI is outdated and misleading as a health measure.Why we get stuck in suffering because it feels familiar.Daily habits that support hormones and digestion.How to advocate for yourself with providers.Episode References/Links:Follow Amber on IG https://www.instagram.com/amberromaniukAmber Romaniuk Website - https://www.amberapproved.caNo Sugarcoating Podcast - https://amberapproved.ca/podcastP.O.T. Chicago 2025 - https://pilates.com/pilates-on-tour-chicagolandCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comWinter Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Expo Journal - https://www.pilatesjournalexpo.com/los-angeles-pilates-expoThe Aligner from Balanced Body - https://opc.me/alignerSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsThe Aligner from Balanced Body - https://opc.me/aligner Camp Shame - https://beitpod.com/campshameEp. 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksEp. 177: Lindsay Moore - https://beitpod.com/ep177Ep. 39: Jessica Valant - https://beitpod.com/ep39Ep. 41: Dr. Kelly Bender - https://beitpod.com/ep41Ep. 183: Dr. Kelly Bender - https://beitpod.com/ep183FemGevity - https://beitpod.com/femgevityIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  If you're feeling overwhelmed by what's going on in the world, because you've got stuff in your own life going on, it is your number one priority to heal yourself, to go figure out, like, what people, what services, what you need to heal so that you can go out there in the world and be this amazing, evolved human who helps and supports and inspires other people. Brad Crowell 0:19  Yeah. Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the beneficial convo I had with Amber Romaniuk in our last episode. Nailed it. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us. You guys, I also think last week, I don't even think I said Jon's last name correctly, like I, I gotta you guys.Brad Crowell 1:22  You got close. It's okay. We. Lesley Logan 1:23  Okay, I think it's really important you know, I went to speech therapy, okay, as a child, I had a stutter. I had a lisp. I do think I'm slightly dyslexic. I, I'm doing the best I can here. Brad Crowell 1:37  You're doing great, babe. Lesley Logan 1:39  Today is September 18th 2025 and it's World Water Monitoring Day. And I got some fucking neighbors I'm monitoring. Anyways, every year, around 150 countries come together to honor World Water Monitoring Day. It just rolls off the tongue, don't you think? Brad Crowell 1:55  Yeah. Lesley Logan 1:55  Water, as we've been learning since a young age, is an extremely important source for keeping all living beings alive and well, you can go without food for a long period of time, about three weeks, but your body will most likely start showing signs of shutting down if you haven't had enough water intake for even a short period of time, about three to four days. I can't even go fucking three to four hours without some water. So I just so you know, if I'm ever kidnapped and tortured, I don't think I'm gonna make it three days. I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna drown. I'm gonna die. The human body is, after all, made of 60 to 70% of water. We're like cucumbers, everyone. Water is so important. I have, are cucumbers more than 60% water? Brad, will look it up. Water is so important that much of the space exploration budget is solely dedicated to finding water sources on other planets. A huge chunk of the earth's ecosystem.Brad Crowell 2:47  Cucumbers are 90, 95 to 96% water.Lesley Logan 2:50  Okay, so we're not like a cucumber, but we should act like we're, be it till you see it as a cucumber, guys. A huge chunk of the earth's ecosystem is also made of water, with countless organisms dependent on it, yet things like water pollution and climate change are threatening our water sources, which is why it has become more important now than ever to regularly monitor the water bodies around us. I kept interrupting myself, but I just want to say, like I did do a whole thing, you can drown yourself if you drink too much water, you can it's called hyponatremia,neutramia, nitremia, hyponatremia, nutremia, anyways, it's the opposite, and so.Brad Crowell 3:26  Hyponatremia.Lesley Logan 3:28  Natremia. So here's the deal. You do want to. Brad Crowell 3:35  The sodium levels in your blood become abnormally low because you're (inaudible). Lesley Logan 3:36  If you look at, like, cyclists or marathon runners, they're not just drinking water. They have electrolytes in it, you A.K.A., there's salt. So make sure that you be it till you see it like a cucumber, but put some salt in your water. Okay? Also, you know, while we're at it, research the companies who are putting salt in your water, because some of them are dick heads. Some of them don't believe in science, which is pretty fucked up, considering that they're fucking scientific. They're supposed to be scientific in what they're doing. Brad Crowell 3:59  I think we can call one out. Lesley Logan 4:01  Yeah, LMNT apparently supports MAHA. And I'm pretty pissed off.Brad Crowell 4:04  The two founders are, like, lockstep with RFK doing, you know, like de-science-sizing our science.Lesley Logan 4:14  So anyways, I'm pissed off because I really liked it. However, the great thing about being cookied and like algorithms following us is, I use Brad's phone several times to research different companies that are not LMNT, that don't have stevia or sugar, and not only do we come up with a few because of, like, a chat bot of Brad's, but now he's getting ads for some and I think one of the ads you got is brilliant, and I'm really excited about it, so. Brad Crowell 4:38  Yeah, it's a shame, because I really like their product. It was actually really great. Lesley Logan 4:38  It was really great, but, you know what. Brad Crowell 4:38  It still is great. I disagree with their. Lesley Logan 4:38  Clearly, since they don't believe in science. Brad Crowell 4:39  Well, I disagree with their opinions. Lesley Logan 4:43  But also, since they don't believe in science, there's probably a better scientific electrolytes out there. So we're gonna find those, and once we do, you'll know, because I'll just make us an affiliate, and we'll shout it up from the rooftops. But my fucking goodness, protect your water. Make sure, like, look, make sure that even if you live in a place where the water is abundant, we were, I could not believe how much water is in Idaho. I could not believe the amount of water in Idaho. I'm like, no one. California is like, just wasting water. There's no water. Like, when you live in the southwest, when you live on the west, like it's not exactly like, abundant. Brad Crowell 5:20  It's a desert, hello. Lesley Logan 5:21  Yes, I know. So anyways, it happened in Vegas. We found out that, like, when we use water out of our faucets and our sinks and our showers, like 98% of that, or something like that, is actually able to be reused, like cleaned and all that stuff. So, like, that's really nice.Brad Crowell 5:35  I don't know what the percentage is, but. Lesley Logan 5:36  It was over, it was over 90. Brad Crowell 5:37  Yeah, they're very intense in Nevada about water conservation and reuse. Lesley Logan 5:42  We're doing a great job in Nevada, because, we have. Brad Crowell 5:44  Specifically in Las Vegas. Lesley Logan 5:46  Yes, because our population has increased ridiculous amounts, and we've decreased our water consumption. And you know, the fact that people are fighting for their fucking green lawns pisses me off, because unless you live where it rains all the time, then by all means, like, lawn away, but like, if you don't, you know, lawns don't even capture water. Like, that was the shocking news to me. Brad Crowell 6:08  No. The only thing that grass does is look pretty. Lesley Logan 6:10  Looks pretty. Brad Crowell 6:12  That's it.Lesley Logan 6:12  So clearly, I'm against golf courses. But look, if water is natural where you are, and it rains and it can keep grasses green, then have them. But why are we doing the grass in the desert? It piss, like, those kinds of things are stupid. They don't make sense. It, just going with our you know, talk about believe in science. Anyways, at Be It Till You See It, we believe in science. We just got back from the U.K., literally two days ago. We are home, are catching up on work. We're filming stuff for OPC. We're recording stuff for this podcast, and then we're going to, this is our tour, we're gonna go to Chicago. I will be at POT for balanced body in Chicagoland in Burr Ridge. We're gonna celebrate our anniversary together, 10 fucking years married. Holy moly, can you believe that?Brad Crowell 7:00  That's insane. Lesley Logan 7:01  Yeah. I was like, are you still here? Brad Crowell 7:03  Yeah. Lesley Logan 7:04  So, 10 years married, and then from Chicago, we're gonna go to Cambodia, and we're gonna run our retreat in Cambodia. I'm so excited for the epic humans we're gonna hang out with in Cambodia. It's gonna be so (inaudible) and then we're gonna head up to Singapore on our way home. I'm teaching a workshop there. Go to crowsnestretreats.com for our retreat info. Brad Crowell 7:21  Yeah and if you're if this one is too close, because it literally is a couple weeks away, no problem. Get on the waitlist. Lesley Logan 7:24  You're not spontaneous, but they can't be spontaneous. Brad Crowell 7:31  No, you're allowed to be spontaneous. I get it. But also, like doing an international trip within a month can be challenging. So I understand that, I recognize that, if.Lesley Logan 7:39  My mom's friend did it in two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:41  She did. You're 100% right and you should do that, too. Drop your life and come join us. If that's not an option, then come join us next year, we are going to be doing this again in October of next year. We'll be announcing all the dates in January. So go to the website. Go to the website and get yourself on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com.Lesley Logan 8:00  Then, on you on our way home, go to Singapore, and then we come home, we hang out for a month. Brad's parents are finally visiting. It's only been 10 years. Don't throw them under the bus. They're lovely people. Anyways, we love them very much. And I just, I just love this 10-year vacation that we're on. Every 10 years. But anyways, we'll announce the winter tour deets on October 1st, actually. So the winter tour is going to release before you leave for for Chicago. So you want to be on the waitlist. opc.me/events to make sure you get that link. Also, 2026 is literally around the corner. We come home from winter tour. I teach at a Pilates Expo Journal. Brad Crowell 8:35  That's in L.A. Lesley Logan 8:36  That's in L.A. adjacent. I just as an Angeleno, I have a really hard time saying that something is in L.A. when it's not in L.A., because I just feel like it's not in L.A., and then we'll be in Poland. So if you are wanting information about that, check out my Instagram account. I'll put that stuff up there. We'll get the links up here in an upcoming episode. Before we get into Amber's amazing takeaways, what is our question this time, babe?Brad Crowell 9:00  etaine.pilates, yeah, is asking legs in parallel, hip distance apart, legs together, zipped midline, either or both? And this is. Lesley Logan 9:01  A footwork question. Brad Crowell 9:05  A footwork question.Lesley Logan 9:06  We got so many footwork questions. I was like, I'll just and some of them are longer than I can type a character count of Instagram. So here is the deal, footwork from Joe, if you're doing it Joe's way, on the Reformer or on the Wunda Chair or on a Cadillac or anywhere footwork is, you start with heels together, toes slightly apart. Brad Crowell 9:33  But if you're doing it Brad's way, you just put your feet completely 180. Lesley Logan 9:37  Yeah, he does his own way. Brad Crowell 9:38  But don't do that. Lesley Logan 9:39  So don't do that. So slightly apart. Like, people like to say Pilates V Pilates V is not first position. So don't get them confused. There's actually no. Brad Crowell 9:39  First position, meaning dancing. Lesley Logan 9:40  Dancing. It's a little that's a little too externally rotated, so it's a slightly apart. The other thing is, it's like, actually your neutral position of your femurs, like, when the body is in neutral, your femurs are slightly turned out, like, that's what footwork toes is. So that's heels, the other toes apart. Then when you move to arches and heels, ideally, you are zipped, zipping the midline together. However, bodies are interesting shapes. We have some people have bony ankles. Some people have large calves. You know, some people have thigh abundance. Some people are Knock Kneed. So here's the deal, if you cannot zip your legs together and get everything to touch so ankles, you know, knees, thighs, what you can do is. Brad Crowell 10:29  Oh, the zip starts all the way down there? Lesley Logan 10:31  Oh, ideally. Doesn't your zipper start at the bottom of your coat? Brad Crowell 10:34  I don't know, whenever I hear that term, I think it's like zipping from my core, so like from my my belly button up, zipping my ribs and, you know, or. Lesley Logan 10:43  Yeah, you could think that, it's fine. Brad Crowell 10:45  But I didn't think about it all the way down to the heels.Lesley Logan 10:48  Sorry, from the bottom, now we're here, babe. So gotta start from the from the feet up. We are talking about footwork, yes, but if you can't, because of your body shape, Balanced Body makes a really cool thing called the Aligner. You can put that between your ankles or your thighs. They have two different ways you can use it. It's really, really cool. We have an affiliate link for that. We'll toss that in the notes, and then, if that's but if that's more than you need because it is a little bit bigger, just roll up a towel, um, or get a little squishy ball and or get a yoga block. Or, like, get a get the dog's toy, put it between your the place in your body that has a hard time, like that's touching, like you don't like when your ankles touch, or your knees knock, put up between something close the chain, so your inner thighs activate. It's really, really important that the inner thighs activate so that you're not just using quads in your footwork. We want the inner thighs, want the hamstrings, want the glutes to work. So it's a full body exercise. So it's all the things you asked Heather, all of them. Brad Crowell 11:41  It's all the things. Lesley Logan 11:42  If you want to dive in deep to footwork, one, I think I'm teaching a workshop. I taught a workshop in the U.K., so that's passed, missed out on it, but we have free tutorials on our YouTube channel, on any place you can do footwork, and it's in our flashcards, and you'll can hear why I'm obsessed with it. If you have a question, go to you can text us at 310-905-5534, we're plus one country code, I guess, so, +1-310-905-5534, or go to beitpod.com/questions, you can submit a win or a question. I want to shout your wins out. That's what makes a Friday episode fun, is your wins. Brad Crowell 12:17  That is what does it and you should definitely be doing that, so. Lesley Logan 12:20  You should be. If you're not doing that, you're doing life wrong.Brad Crowell 12:22  I mean, y'all, we should have so many wins that we don't, we have to pick between them. So, let's go, step it up. Go to beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 12:30  Here's what people, my win's not very big or I don't want to take up space. You want to know something? That's what the fucking patriarch wants. They want you to not take up space. Because if you're quiet and you're humble and you think your win isn't anything, then you then they get have an easier time controlling you in your life. So take up space. Celebrate your wins. You're inspiring other people to see what they can do, and it makes the world a fucking better place to live in. Ladies, take up some fucking space.Brad Crowell 12:54  Take up some space. Lesley Logan 12:55  Share a win. Brad Crowell 12:59  By the way, the link for the Aligner is opc.me/aligner. Lesley Logan 13:04  Aligner. Good luck spelling that there is a silent G. Brad Crowell 13:07  A-L-I-G-N-E-R Lesley Logan 13:08  What's that comedian who, like, does a whole thing on like this, saying the silent letters in the U.S. and like, the English language, we call it aligner.Brad Crowell 13:15  Oh yeah. I don't know the name of the comedian, but that's hilarious. Yeah, go check it out. All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 13:22  Welcome back. Let's talk about Amber Romaniuk. Amber is an emotional, eating, digestive and hormone expert with over 11 years of experience and the host of The No Sugar Coating Podcast, which boasts 1.9 million downloads over 500 episodes and is listened to in over 88 countries. Her mission is to help guide women worldwide towards food and body freedom, a state where they understand and address their physical, hormonal, digestive and blood sugar issues, alongside the habits and mindsets that hinder their healing. Her backstory is very involved with her mission today. Her passion for helping women stem from her own profound struggles, which began at a very young age, and some of it was learned from family. Some of it was due to bullying. She shares a little bit about that on the interview. So if you haven't had a chance to go listen to that interview, definitely go, you know, hit pause. Go back. Listen to that. It's worth a listen. When she was a child, she developed an unconscious emotional connection to food, and it revolved around sugar and processed foods, and it led to full, full blown food addiction. And that's part of the story she shares. It's a bit shocking. And it's also, you know, I actually think it's something that is very relatable. And it's not just women who deal with this stuff, you know as well, food can become an addiction, just like cigarettes, like drugs, like whatever working out can be an addiction. For her, food became an addiction.Lesley Logan 14:47  Yeah, I just it's really interesting, because I, while we were on our tour, I listened to like, every podcast I could, and I actually ran out of episodes to listen to. I can tell we're on tour like I ran out of episodes I found this podcast. Podcast was about a camp that, like, heavyweights was based off of actually. And podcast series is really, really cool. It's called Camp Shame. You want to listen to it. And they did a really great job explaining, like, how, just how, historically, then this became associated with, like, healthiness and how, especially in the US, but in most Western cultures, we have really fucked people up by, including our medical world, by thinking that you just have to lose weight and that has created these food addictions and these other and these other ways of eating disorder addictions. And I think it's just.Brad Crowell 15:41  I think losing weight certainly can be the solution, but how could it possibly always be the solution?Lesley Logan 15:47  Oh, and that's exactly it. Because, like a lot of people who do have, do have a little bit more weight on them, doctors are always like, oh, go lose some weight first, before they even, like, listen to their fucking symptoms. And so then their issues get worse. Anyways, all this to say, I really enjoy that I really like when people are willing to share their stories of healing and then how they're going, because I think it's so important to normalize these conversations so that people can realize that, first of all, your weight often has zero to do with width of your health. And we know that now we have a lot of more information now than we did before, because, actually, of science and people studying these things and. Brad Crowell 16:09  Can you explain that? Because that's not intuitive. How is it that your weight could be? I mean, your weight has to have something.Lesley Logan 16:31  So first of all, everybody thinks a BMI is like your insurance companies will use your BMI to determine if you're healthy or not, and what your insurance rate should be. Your BMI was actually never supposed to be used for what health is? The scientists who did it was for another reason, and it was only sitting on men. And BMI means your height to weight ratio. Well, a bodybuilder could have what would be considered obese BMI because the weight. Brad Crowell 16:53  They could be short and huge, but they're intentionally huge. Lesley Logan 16:56  But their their muscles and their body so their body fat percentage is quite low, right, versus somebody who's the same height and maybe even the same weight, but doesn't work out, right? But, but by the way, we're we're acting like that guy with muscles is healthier than the guy without muscles, because we have been conditioned to think that that is healthy. That person might be on steroids, they might be under eating, they might. Brad Crowell 17:19  They could be starving themselves (inaudible) Lesley Logan 17:21  Correct. Right. And then the other thing is, is that, like, you're, a lot of our health conditions are actually genetic versus, you know, a lot of things, and we are, different races have different body shapes. And so we're saying, oh, if you're not heroin chic, then there's something wrong with you. Because the best way to describe the way that the 90s thought health and wealth and beauty was like fucking stick pencil thin. Those girls were eating cotton balls soaked in orange juice. Literally, you can go watch documentaries on this like that is how they were staying the shape that they needed to be to make money. And then we're all chasing this dream when our bodies actually don't want to look like that. They don't. That's not healthy. And so, at any rate, health, signs of good health, your weight is like, truly not one of them, unless you are on the very, very, very ends of a spectrum, but in the middle, there is a wide range of health that could be and your outside appearance is rarely able to to significant like, the indicator of what your health is, we have to look at your sugar levels. We have to look at like, do you digest sugar? Are you digesting your food? Are you absorbing nutrition? Like your microbiome is a better signifier of health than your weight on the scale. And so it's really fascinating, because we have a humongous population of women and men who are raised to think that I just have to be thinner. And so there's a lot of people, a lot of people, a lo t of people listen to this podcast who probably struggle with, I was at the gym today, right? And this woman, she is so, so sweet. She looks so cute. And she's like, yeah. She's like, I'm carrying 30 pounds more because of an injury. And like, the fact that she felt like she had to tell me that because she's a Pilates instructor. And so she's like, yeah, I was like. I was like, who cares? Like, I listen to her. Who cares. You are having the most fun. You're rocking your Pilates practice. Who cares? So the point is, all this to say, like, we, this country is fucked up, in how it thinks of health, and so people are worrying about what the scale says, versus, like, going to their doctor, getting their lungs listened to getting their heart listened to getting their blood checked, and then researching, like, what is, what's in range, hormones, hormone health, that kind of stuff. But like, we're, we're so obsessed with what the scale says, versus like, what does your blood fucking say? What does your blood say? So anyways, back to Amber. She said, we get comfortable in our comfort zones of suffering. And I think this is really, really important. A lot of us are afraid of being on the other side of whatever our addiction or whatever our thing is, because suffering has become comfortable. We know it. We know what to expect. We like certainty. We'll hear more about certainty in a couple weeks with Brad Bizjack. But like we like knowing these things, but we have to we, our comfort zone of suffering is not uncomfortable enough for us to want to get out of it. She said, we continue to do what is familiar because it feels safe to your brain. You can listen to Gay Hendricks or read his book about like your brain, like wanting to be in this comfort zone we will sabotage right? She described being terrified of the unknown. This is, I am familiar with this, like you're so terrified of, like the unknown, like I'll just stick in my suffering, because the other side, the thing that I want, is actually scary, because I don't know what's it going to feel like and but she said the suffering became bigger than the fear of change, and that is so key. Like, sometimes we just have to figure out what that's going to be for us. And she said your healing is one of the most valuable journeys you can choose, is going to help you grow and evolve in ways you can't even imagine. And I think this is so important, like, whatever is going on in your life, if you're feeling overwhelmed by what's going on in the world, because you've got stuff in your own life going on, it is your number one priority to heal yourself, to go figure out, like, who, what, what people, what services, what you need to heal so that you can go out there in the world and be this amazing, evolved human who helps and supports and inspires other people. Right? Anyways, so many good things in there. What did you love?Brad Crowell 21:32  I was digging where she's talking about, your actual body is always trying to heal. Doesn't matter where you are in your life cycle. And what she was talking about, what I what she was referencing there was the different, like hormonal stages of a female body, specifically with the perimenopause, menopause, you know, post she said, however, we have to look at what is in the way of healing. And it's not, not even just those stages, but it, you know, your mindset is so much a part of this healing, right? And whether you're seeing doctors or not, that's what we can contribute to the fix that we may be getting from an expert, right? But our mindset and our habits, the behaviors that we have. She said, she also, you know, when it comes to age and certain ages, right? I know from just being around people who are older than me, they have this idea that they're set in their ways, and there's nothing that can be done about it. And that's not true, you know, like, it doesn't matter when how old you are, you can start to create change and the internal, the way that we internalize, the way that we think about ourselves and think about the change and the hope and the shift in our health, will contribute significantly to whatever actual like, you know, whether we change our sleep or our food or our workout or our, you know, supplements or whatever, any of that, but the way we think about it is going to change, is going to support that or it's going to make it effective, right?Lesley Logan 23:15  Well, we talked about those habits, right? We have a whole habit series coming out, by the way, in December, so I'll dive in more there. But like, if you shame yourself after doing making a mistake in a change you want to make, your main mindset will keep you from making those changes again. Like you will not be able to do it even though your body wants to do it, even though you say you want to do it, like how your mindset is absolutely a huge part of making the changes and allowing your body to heal. Because your body wants to do it, but you're, you're getting in the way.Brad Crowell 23:43  Yeah and also your mindset of your provider, right? The, it's hard to change a provider, but I, you know the response that you mentioned earlier, oh, just go lose some weight first, and then we will do X, Y and Z, you know, like, that's some bullshit. That's such a cop out. Lesley Logan 24:00  Find a new provider. Brad Crowell 24:01  Yeah, and like, if you're getting told something like that, you are, you absolutely can go get a second opinion. Lesley Logan 24:08  You can also tell them, no, I've already have, like, there, in one of the FYFs, I think I actually brought up, like, things that you can say to a doctor. But like, and unfortunately, people who are in what's considered a larger body, you might have to say to the doctor, but I want you to know, come into this I've already lost X amount of weight. I have had this pain for this long. Unfortunately, no matter who you are, even if weight is not a thing, you're gonna have to say how long things happen. Because some people, some doctors, do not take some symptoms seriously until it's been a significant amount of time. Brad Crowell 24:45  Well, let's, let's, let's think about this here, like from the perspective of a doctor, it's a puzzle, okay, you are a puzzle to them, and they like figuring out puzzles, and they've educated themselves in a crazy way over many, many, many, many years to understand all the variables that are involved so, but, they're still human, right? And they're going to do what brains do, which is the fastest, easiest way to find the answer, the solution. That's what their brain is doing for them. So they're gonna look at it and go, well, step one is, is it fucking plugged in, right? Just like any of the stupid customer service calls. So what are they gonna say? They say, well, you're clearly overweight, so go lose some weight, right? And that is the easy answer for them, but there's more to it than just that. But they can say, well, this is definitely something that has to be solved anyway, and it could be a very likely contributor to whatever the problem is that you have. So what are they going to do? They're going to go to the easiest answer first. Now there could be far more to it, or if you can give them a clearer picture of the puzzle, you can already say, this is how long this thing's been happening. I have already lost X amount of weight. I have already done these other things. I have already changed my eating, my sleeping, my this. Yet the problem persists. Now they have a clear picture of the puzzle, and they can go, hmm, the easy is it plugged in response doesn't work here. What's the next thing on my mental checklist of things? Right? So it's really important to be communicative. It's important to be paying attention to yourself. It's important to have those numbers and statistics and like, you know, things that you've already tried, and to share that information, because otherwise you're gonna get the is it plugged in answer.Lesley Logan 24:53  And they don't, and to their to also like to be on their a little on their side, they are, they have to see a ridiculous number of patients in a day. They have, they're given six minutes with you, and so the more you can have your thoughts organized. Listen to the episode with Lindsay Moore and also Jessica Valant on, like, advocating for yourself in healthcare, but like, have these notes, because it will help your healing process if that's the route you have to go. And if you're going a route of a therapist or something like that, find one like it might take a few different people. And I know that's annoying. I know like, when you're when you are suffering and you're finally ready to make a change, it can be fucking annoying to start over week after week after week with a different therapist until you find what you like. But you have, you owe it to your future self and you owe it to the people that you're going to change their life by being yourself. Brad Crowell 27:05  Yeah, I mean, think about, think about it from the perspective of of a Pilates teacher or a fitness coach or whatever, like, if you are in the Pilates world, what we always coach our clients through Agency. We say not, you are not for everyone, and that's okay. The therapists are for everyone, and that's also okay. You're not going to connect the same way with this, with every person, but there is going to be one or more than one person that you're gonna be like, oh my gosh, I totally vibe with this person, and you'll be willing to connect with them in a in a better way. Doctors are the same way, right, like, so anyway, the Lindsay Moore episode is episode 177 and who else did you say? Lesley Logan 27:47  Jessica Valant, her first episode. Brad Crowell 27:49  Jessica Valant is episode 39 so go back and check out those interviews that both will be very helpful and supportive for this conversation as well. And yeah, the I think that you know, to sum this all up, if you're frustrated with the attention or lack of attention that you're getting from your provider, you are allowed to advocate for yourself. No one is going to advocate for you unless you hire someone to advocate for you or engage you know someone advocate for you, or maybe you have a family member who's willing to to play that role, but you can advocate for you, and it's also okay to go get a second opinion and to dig deeper. You know, you're allowed to do that, you know? So she, she said, we need to recondition ourselves, to normalize investing in our health. And what she's specifically talking about in that is that she's Canadian. They do have health care as a country. She said just because we get health care doesn't always mean that it's great health care, right? When she started having this, these deeper conversations with her doctors, she started cutting out some of the middleman and paying to go directly to the experts. Right, because she said, well, I couldn't get the referral, but I disagreed with them. I went to someone else. And just because the way the system was structured, it wasn't an option. So for me, I had to go straight to the expert, and that meant I had to pay out of pocket, and that sucks, because I did have access. I do have access to a healthcare system, however, that wasn't, that wasn't solving my problem and and I think in the United States, the irony is, we still have to fucking pay for things anyway, because our insurance system is so backwards. So, you know, I would say, you know, I agree with her that we need to recondition ourselves to normalize investing in our health, and that's that's exactly why we encourage people to go work out, too.Lesley Logan 29:44  And then, you know, call your fucking Congress person and tell them how much you would invest. Tell them what you want to see changes are. They work for us. And every country that you have some sort of voting system, the person who represents you is supposed to work for you whether you voted for them or not. So like be something in there, like be in their fucking bonnet about it, but first you have to heal yourself. And that does, unfortunately, there's like a statistic that it's like a ridiculous amount of money that women will spend on their health care versus men, because we are often getting second opinions because, unfortunately, they didn't study women's bodies. Brad Crowell 30:19  I think women also live longer than men. So maybe there's something to it.Lesley Logan 30:29  Especially if you don't get married. There's, like, a lot, so there's a fuck ton of study. Brad Crowell 30:53  Wait a minute. Lesley Logan 30:27  Yes. So it says if you're basically, the science is, if you're a man, you need to be married because you'll live longer, but if you're a woman, you should not get married because you will live longer. And so it's just, like, really interesting thing that, like women actually provided we still get to have our credit cards and our bank accounts and vote. You know, we will live longer if we just live by our like, live on our own or live in a commune with each other. Brad Crowell 30:53  Well, there's that. Lesley Logan 30:54  Sorry, babe. I love you, but.Brad Crowell 30:56  I love me too, so, you know. Lesley Logan 30:57  Okay. Brad Crowell 30:58  All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those action items. Those Be It Action Items that we got from Amber Romaniuk. Brad Crowell 31:05  All right, so let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conver conversation with Amber? She said, hey, the best habits for hormone and digestive health, start getting into a mindful eating practice and start having good sleep hygiene. And what she was specifically saying about mindful eating practice, this is really interesting, y'all, because we're glued to our phones, I'm just as guilty of this, like 100%, she said, for eating, put down your phone, sit and eat your food mindfully. Why? What does she actually mean by that? She said, Well, there's two elements to eating, and we're distracting ourselves from one of the two elements when we're not focused on eating. What are those two elements? There's the physical state of eating, and then there's the emotional state of eating. And if we are not paying attention to our food, there's very high chance that emotionally we won't even realize it, and we will just keep eating, because we don't emotionally think, feel, you know, that we're full, right? And also, there's still that, that element with the physical you know, you're not necessarily paying attention to your stomach, you're paying attention to your phone, right? So you could just keep going past the point of being full. So I just thought it was really interesting. It's not the first time we've heard this. In fact, I think Dr, Kelly Bender also mentioned eating and putting your phone away and just focusing on eating. Can't remember which interview that was, because she's been with us for a few, but. Lesley Logan 32:39  Yes, but you can go listen to them. Brad Crowell 32:41  Yeah, she, she was in episode 41 and 183 Dr. Kelly Bender, so we'll put those links in the show notes. But she, she mentions the same thing, like put your phone away while you're eating. And I never thought about it as as a mindful practice, but disconnect from that technology. And she said, same goes with sleeping. And of course, we've talked about this before.Lesley Logan 33:00  Mindfully sleep, put your phone away. You can actually sleep.Brad Crowell 33:04  Yeah, not mindfully sleeping, but like preparing for sleep, like actually preparing for sleep. And I know you went through a couple different extreme things where you would leave your phone in the other side of the house.Lesley Logan 33:16  I know I still want to do that. I just haven't figured out how to do that. Brad Crowell 33:21  It's tough too, because their phones are our alarms all the things. But like, you know, disconnecting from tech, she said 15, 30 minutes before going to bed, you know. And then also, she said sleeping before 11pm especially for women, because optimal hormone balance occurs between 11pm and 1am I don't actually know how that statistic comes to be, I think every body is a little bit different. And so, you know, we all have our own sleeping patterns. So I think it's important to understand your own circadian rhythm, a tool that we use to help us find ours, has been a ring like the ring that monitors your heart, your health, your blood, you know, your blood, all that kind of stuff, your blood pressure, I mean. And then it actually can identify your natural rhythm.Lesley Logan 34:05  We'll have to, we'll have to find out where that is, because I do, there is information that our liver also does its own, like clean, like cleaning out thing around 2 to 4 a.m. and so that's why a lot of people get up at two in the morning having to pee. Like, it's actually, like, there are, there are some things that the body just does at a certain time. Brad Crowell 34:21  But, but also, like 2 to 4 a.m. for me is not 2 to 4 a.m. for somebody else. So that's what doesn't make sense like, because the time zones like so, so I think, I think there's a, there's a there's like a guideline there. But, you know, I think it's obviously different forever. We live in different parts of the world.Lesley Logan 34:37  Luckily, for you, Brad, you can be a lark, you can be up, or whatever it's called, owl, you you don't your hormones will be fine. If you stay up past 11, it's okay.Brad Crowell 34:44  High level, she said, get your hormones tested. So.Lesley Logan 34:47  Get them tested multiple times, multiple times, because they they do change throughout the day, but also throughout your cycle. And also find a doctor, if not working with Amber or FemGevity, find fucking someone who actually gives a fuck. Because it took me, I knew I did not have testosterone for years, and I had it took me forever to find someone who would fucking listen to me, and so it is annoying, and you gotta advocate for yourself, but you need to find someone who actually gives any fucks about hormones. So whatever it is, find the person you're and yes, it takes time. I know you're busy. Brad Crowell 35:11  I think we could talk about FemGevity here. I mean, you probably heard the commercials that we throw in occasionally here. But you know, Lesley has been working with a female telehealth medicine company that is only in the United States. Sorry, Canadians, but.Lesley Logan 35:33  That's why they have Amber and anyone can well, you can be outside the States, outside of Canada, and work with Amber as well, of course, I guess, but yeah, you gotta find people. So if so cannot talk to Amber, contact FemGevity, but contact interview people who and see if they fit your vibe. Do they understand what your goals are? Like are, does it make sense them? If they're not, it's okay. It's not like, oh my god, they're an asshole. They don't get me. They're not the right person for you.Brad Crowell 36:00  Yeah, they're not the right person for you, or they don't have the time for you and so you can find somebody else. What about you?Lesley Logan 36:06  Becoming in tune and learning how to listen to your body, most powerful gift you can give yourself. I think it's kind of free, guys, as well. Yeah, it's free. She said, do a self-assessment. What symptoms are you experiencing? Rate your intensity, a one to attend, to effectively commute with a healthcare professional. So you could just literally take notes on your phone. And when you wake up, you could just, like, ask yourself, like, well, how do I feel? What am I experiencing right now? Like, in the morning, I'm experiencing a runny nose, oh, it's because I need to take my allergy medicine, right like, or, and in the afternoon, might sit down for lunch. You can go, what am I experiencing right now? And it's like, oh, my nose is still running. Maybe this is not allergies, right? Like, you know? And then after dinner, like, what? Instead, it could be part of your gratitude practice like, I'm grateful because I feel hot, I'm grateful because I feel tired, part of it, but start to rate it, so that you have notes, and you can start to see patterns. And then when you actually do talk to a healthcare professional, they can see that you are paying attention to yourself. Yeah, like, you know, it's really hard when you go, I don't know it's been a while since I've been feeling this way. Since when? They're going to know since when? Because a while for some people is three days, and for some people it's three fucking years. So you want to say since January 27th, every night I feel like this. You know, like that is important information. Build a self-care routine, if we I mean, we know that this is a big thing. I'm a big fan of, you know, even if it's just sitting or slowing down and practicing the art of doing nothing. That's a great thing.Brad Crowell 37:29  Oh yeah, that was a whole interesting part of the conversation. She said, we need to take 10 minutes and literally do nothing to regulate our nervous system every day. And I thought, huh, do I ever give myself time to do nothing? No, you know why? Because I've got a damn phone and I'm like, scrolling Instagram. If I, if I'm doing quote, unquote relaxing, I'm still doing something.Lesley Logan 37:55  You know what? Also, even if, like, here's the deal, you can walk your dog, which is going to be doing something, but then do nothing while walking your dog. And like so, but find ways to get bored. You know, our yoga teacher always talked about, when his kids go, I'm bored, he's like, you're so fucking lucky. It was one of the greatest things you could ever be, is bored. And lastly, Amber advised us to be patient and compassionate with our with yourself. Try to build a friendship with your body. Whoo, that one, that one, if you do nothing on this world, but like, build (inaudible).Brad Crowell 38:25  I mean, you asked, like, how do we not be impatient when we aren't seeing immediate results? And that's where she said, be compassionate with yourself.Lesley Logan 38:33  Yeah, if you were your friend, telling your friend, I'm not seeing X, Y and Z results, you your friend, would be like, okay, but how long has it been? Okay, but you. Brad Crowell 38:41  It's been a week. Okay, it took me 40 years to get here. Lesley Logan 38:44  Yeah, be nice. You're not a robot. Speaking of not being a robot, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 38:49  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 38:51  Thank you so much for listening to this episode. Thank you for sending in your favorite parts of the episode. Thank you for sharing what you love and your suggestions. Send your questions and your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. Share this episode with a friend who needs friend who needs to hear it, especially Amber's interview with your friends who are struggling with their health right now and their health journey. It gets really inspiring. Brad Crowell 39:09  beitpod.com/questions Lesley Logan 39:11  Oh, beitpod.com/questions that's more helpful. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 39:17  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 39:19  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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Women's hormone health, gut health, and emotional eating come together in an empowering conversation with expert—Amber Romaniuk—host of the “The No Sugarcoating Podcast”. Lesley and Amber unpack how food cravings, people-pleasing, and quick-fix culture can intensify perimenopause symptoms and what to do instead. You'll leave with practical steps to stabilize blood sugar, support sleep, and build a kinder relationship with your body.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Amber overcame binge eating and became a hormone and gut health expert.The connection between food cravings, gut imbalances, and emotional eating.Why perimenopause symptoms worsen with hormone and lifestyle imbalance.How standard lab ranges can miss hidden hormone and gut issues.How daily good habits prevent cravings and support hormone balance.Episode References/Links:Amber Romaniuk Website - https://www.amberapproved.caAmber Romaniuk YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@amberromaniukAmber Romaniuk Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/amberromaniukThe No Sugarcoating Podcast - https://amberapproved.ca/podcastGuest Bio:Amber Romaniuk is an Emotional Eating, Digestive and Hormone Expert, with 11 years experience helping high achieving women create a level of body confidence, intuition and optimal health through powerful mindset healing, self-care and overcoming self-sabotage with food. She does this through addressing the key negative thoughts, patterns and limiting beliefs that keep women stuck in the same behaviors for years and decades that they haven't been able to break. Her podcast “The No Sugarcoating Podcast” has 1.9 million downloads, over 500 episodes and is listened to in over 88 countries. Amber overcame her own emotional eating after gaining and losing more than 1000 lbs and spending over $50,000 on binge foods and spending 5 years balancing her hormones, digestion. She also dismantled her deep limiting beliefs and behaviors keeping her stuck in the same looping patterns. Now she helps others achieve the biggest healing miracles of Body Freedom™ so they have the confidence and health to create amazing lives. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  Be It babe. This is going to be a fabulous, fun conversation about women's hormones, hormone health, gut, microbiome, your cravings, binge, people-pleasing, self-care, priority of self, like, this is all the things. And we've had different people dance around these topics. We've had like hormone person or an emotional eating person, or these kind of and now I have someone who's an expert in all of it, all in one show for you, and it really connects all the dots, but also hopefully empowers you. It's never too late to start taking care of yourself, because if you want to be it till you see it, if you want to be the strong, amazing human in this world, we have to take care of ourselves. And so we're gonna talk about what's going on with your body that could be affecting you. And we're gonna talk about, you know, some things you can make, the easy changes you make in your life to make it easier to go into perimenopause, to be in perimenopause and post menopause. So here is Amber Romaniuk. Lesley Logan 1:55  Hey, Be It babe. This is gonna be a fun conversation. I can already tell. Our guest today, and I just met a moment ago, we're already talking about nails and life and perimenopause and menopause and so Amber Romaniuk, thank you so much for being here. You're the host of this No Sugarcoating Podcast. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Amber Romaniuk 2:12  Yeah, and thank you for having me today. I am an emotional eating, digestive and hormone expert with 11 and a half years of experience coaching women all over the world to claim what I call food and body freedom, which is really about claiming and understanding what's going on in your body, physically, hormonally, digestively, blood sugar, etc, and getting to the roots of your symptoms, your weight loss blocks, but also looking at the habits, behaviors and mindsets that are keeping you stuck and not helping you heal. So helping you overcome the binge eating, the emotional eating, the people-pleasing, the negative self-talk, the low self-worth, so that you can make yourself a priority, and that all assists in the physical, mental, emotional, energetic, healing.Lesley Logan 2:48  Yeah. First of all, love that you used, like, expert, like, like, we didn't even stumble on that word, like you were, like, so proud of it. I just adore women who can call themselves that proudly and confidently. So thank you. You are. And also, I love that you brought up people-pleasing and prioritizing ourselves, because whether or not you are wherever you are in your body journey, people-pleasing can affect us in many different ways. That can be affecting us how we eat, but it also can be affecting us with how we treat ourselves and the things that we do. So, so, okay, can we take a step back and kind of go into like, how did you get here? And how did you get so passionate about helping people through this journey?Amber Romaniuk 3:34  Yeah, so it really was a personal journey that I had to go through myself, and so I grew up and at a very young age, started struggling with body image issues. I was five, it was my first day on the bus, and the older boys called me fat and ugly, and then the whole bus made fun of me, and that identity of fat and ugly I really took on for the next 20 years of my life. And I grew up in a household with great parents. However, my mom was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis before I was born, and so she used food as a coping mechanism. I didn't know at the time, but everything we did revolved around food, and so I created an unconscious emotional connection to food at a very young age, and didn't realize it, and I could eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. So there's a lot of sugar, a lot of processed food, and then you hit your tweens and teens, and you start struggling with body image, right? You get, you're reading all the magazines, comparing yourself to celebrities. What's wrong with me that I don't look like that? And then I started dieting. And then into my early 20s, I had my first real breakup. Was so upset, could barely eat, lost weight really fast, became asphyxiated with my body, picked myself apart even more, my cycle disappeared, and it was just like, this switch flipped, and it was like, this is too hard to attain. And I started binge eating. And I would eat until I was so full I was sick. I gained like 70 to 80 pounds in four months. Now I was the heaviest that I had ever been, just so ashamed, so embarrassed, binge eating multiple days through the week. Went through a phase of about six months of binging and purging. Because I thought, if I can prevent gaining weight, I will do this. But obviously it just like stressed my body out even more, and I just ended up in a full blown food addiction, where I was either losing control with food and eating until I was so full I was sick, or trying to grip onto the next diet, the next eating style, the next workout craze, to try and gain some form of control with food. And now, of course, none of that was working, and it was just this boomerang of all or nothing. I'm either trying to be perfect on a diet or I'm losing control of food. And for me, my low point moment, which I don't wish for people to, have, to go through a low point. But sometimes we need it to kick us in the butt and help us, like, go, okay, something has to change. But my low point moment was I would throw the food in the garbage, because if I threw it in the garbage, I'm like, I'm not going there. I'm not going to dig through the garbage and eat the food. It was a turn off. So that night, I'd thrown the food away. And at this point, a couple years into this behavior, I started to realize I was binge eating, but I didn't know how to deal with it, and so I had thrown the food away. Specifically, it was Oreo cookies, and I was laying on the couch crying, just like I am afraid for my life. I don't know if I'm gonna make it to 30, was about 22 at the time, if I keep in this destructive behavior, because I was very hard on myself. And a few hours later, as the food settled, I thought, well, if this is the last time I'm gonna do this all or nothing mentality, I'm gonna go get those cookies, and I don't care. And so I went into the kitchen, and I did. I dug through the garbage, grabbed the cookies, then I went outside and threw them in the dumpster, and went back later, like, out into my back alley of my apartment, and, like, dug through again. Lesley Logan 6:31  And this is where we can see it's an addiction, like any drug, you know, like, like, I mean, because we it's like, it you could insert cocaine or cigarettes or alcohol in there. Yeah. Amber Romaniuk 6:43  Yeah, and yeah, and that's the thing, and food was my drug of choice. Thank God it wasn't cocaine or alcohol. I probably wouldn't be here today because I was, it was such a compulsive, like all the time behavior, and so after I did that, a couple of really important things happened. The first is we get comfortable in our comfort zones of suffering. Even if you're suffering, you will continue to do what is familiar, because it feels safe to your brain. Yes. And so I was terrified of the unknown, terrified and overwhelmed about thinking about, how do I start even dealing with this? I've got like, 80 pounds to lose. I'm out of control with food. My guts a mess, like I'm a mess, like I don't even know where to start. And that was overwhelming. And you know, you're afraid of the unknown. Who am I going to be if I'm not using food as a crutch, I'm not chasing the number on the scale, I'm not obsessed with trying to look a certain way, like my identity was just asphyxiating around all of these things. And so that moment, though, was like the suffering became bigger than the fear of change and then the comfort zone and so really catapulted me into this healing journey of many layers of healing, physically, emotionally, energetically, hormonally, you know, building self-worth, learning like, how to actually love myself and and heal things like people-pleasing and really completely reshape my identity. And that's really what birthed my business was, oh my gosh, if I struggled with this to the level I did, how many other women are struggling, and it's 90% of the female population in North America, by the way, struggling with some form of emotional eating behaviors or body image issue, and it just really inspired me. I'm like, I went through that because I am here to help women heal and break free of this for good. It's not supposed to be oh, well, maybe you'll manage it and it'll come back sometimes. No, like, I help my clients fully gain freedom from this, which is what we should be able to do if we really address the roots.Lesley Logan 8:33  Yeah. I mean, especially because, like, I have friends who've been sober for years, and they can be in a bar with you, they can be you can like, they like, you know. And so I always thought like, if someone who could have such a destructive behavior addiction with alcohol or drugs can be around it and not tempted, then that should be there should be a little about food. But the thing that like struck my attention, I think we can a lot of your gut is an an interesting beast, because what you feed it, it starts to crave, and so I like and at a young age, if what you're feeding it is processed foods and sugar, and you don't know better, because you're just doing whatever like it's allowed. You're changing your microbiome. And then what it is, it is telling you you're craving. So you've got your own stuff in your own head that you've got, you've got the outside world who's put pressure on you, good or bad, and then you've got your gut going, but I really want those Oreo cookies, like I'm not gonna stop until I get what I need, because my the bacteria in my gut is saying. Amber Romaniuk 9:33  Feed me. Eat me. Lesley Logan 9:34  Yes, yeah. So I find, like, I really do feel for people where they don't have this freedom, because it is almost all encompassing, like here you were telling a story about 22 like you, you can't, can't really grow in any career or relationship or life with this kind of thing going on around here in your brain.Amber Romaniuk 9:56  No, no, I was broke. My bank account was always in the red. I was single. I was isolating. I didn't want to see anyone because I didn't want people to notice I'd gained weight, and I felt so triggered when I go out and be around people in food that it was just like, there's just no point in doing anything, but you're right, like, and that's where I think so many people keep in these behaviors, because we're not taught and educated that with binge and emotional eating to whatever level you're dealing with, there's not just emotional eating triggers. There's physical emotional eating triggers like candida overgrowth. There's hormonal imbalances that trigger emotional eating. Being a sensitive empath triggers emotion like there's so many different things to potentially look at, and I didn't know any of that until I started healing it. And then, of course, one of the blocks with candida that unhealthy gut overgrowth is, you look at a lot of the protocols, and they're like, cut out all this stuff. And while, if you're in a binge or emotional eating behavior, restriction is a massive trigger to rebel with food and then go eat all the things you're not supposed to have. So there is, in my opinion, a like, approach and a method to healing your relationship with food while supporting your gut and then clearing that stuff out without intensive restriction that you don't end up like going back. But the gut and the cravings, I had the worst candida that, like I did a test that they had ever seen. No wonder, antibiotics, excessive sugar intake, high stress levels, like, the cravings were so bad. So I totally get what you're talking about with.Lesley Logan 11:21  Yeah, yeah. So, like, so I want to kind of fast forward, because, like, obviously, like, in your 20s, you're able to go on the journey. But we get we get older, and if we you brought up hormones and gut health, and it's like, so most of people listening are in their 40s, and by the way, it's never too late to figure out your health journey, loves, but with perimenopause, like it's going to hit every woman who's listening, and the few good men that are listening, it's going to hit every woman that you know. So you may as well don't tune out, because you got to know what's going on so you can be supportive. How, how does a binge or, like, emotional eating, people pleasing, lifestyle affect perimenopause. Is it like just gonna continue to be the same and everyone who goes to the same perimenopause is gonna make perimenopause worse? Like, what? What should we be looking at? Amber Romaniuk 12:11  Yeah, good question. Likely it's going to make your perimenopause experience worse. And here's the thing, if you never had your hormones tested, ever or not in your 20s or your 30s, mid 30s, you could have had deficiencies in your 20s. I was playing post menopausal at 24 from all the stuff I had put my body through, I had no progesterone. My estrogen was through the roof. My thyroid was a mess. I had the highest cortisol stress hormone that, again, like the test people had ever seen. So and that was in when I was 24 and then I course corrected it, thank goodness. And then, you know, perimenopause has been easier going into it, but it's it's going to potentially be more difficult, because if you have had deficiencies with your hormones for years and you don't know about them, guess what? Things really start to change when you hit that 35 to 37 mark, going into your 40s. And so if you're already fatigued, if you have already retained water, gained weight more easily. You already have a thyroid issue, right? You're putting yourself last like these issues amplify, because our cortisol starts to gradually go up once we hit perimenopause. We start to see more depletion with progesterone and estrogen or for some women, it's skyrocketing because of gut flora issues, too many toxins in the body. And like I said along a lot of women have a thyroid issue and don't even realize they do or it's not being properly dealt with, and our thyroid hormones start to kind of can start to move in the wrong direction. If we're not paying attention, our inflammatory load goes up. We need enough progesterone, which is one of our sex hormones, to combat inflammation, which will show up in the body in the forms of redness, heat, swelling, retention is one of the biggest ones. I see like your rings fit tighter, your bra strap fits tighter. Your face feels puffy, but if we don't have enough progesterone, we can't combat that inflammation, and so you will feel like your clothes are fitting tighter. All your old tricks you used to use to help you lose or maintain weight don't work the same anymore. So if you're trying to diet or cut calories or burn calories, and it's not working, it's because there's so much more to look at here that the body's like, no, there's a lot.Lesley Logan 14:11  Thank you for bringing that up. Because, like, I'm a Pilates instructor and I have an on demand platform, and one of the things we do not say is weight loss. It's on purpose, because science is the science is there. I wish the media would get part of it, which is like, yeah, you can work out, and it can support a journey, but it isn't the journey. And so I actually cannot claim that Pilates will help you with anything other than, like, muscle strength, mobility, like the things that, like, I know from experience. But as far as, like, what the scale does, that, that that is all, most of those hormones, and then what you're eating, and then, you know, implement all this other stuff. And I just really pains me because I I don't do the show, because I think anyone needs to change their body in any way that's to me, like, you know, what I do think is you need to be the strongest person you can be for the people you do love like that is important. Life is not easy if you're weak, you know, but, but I think like knowing our bodies, like understanding like how our hormone health can affect our ability to show up in this world, like this is podcast called Be It Till You See It. And like, everything you're bringing up is like talking about how our bodies are going to go through harder things if we're not taking care of it. And then you, doesn't matter what your goals are, doesn't matter if you want to be a writer, author, you know, coach anything. Because if you if your gut is telling you stuff, if it's causing your body to produce or not produce hormones, then you're and you are then having other issues with maybe how you're eating, it's going to affect everything. Amber Romaniuk 15:45  Oh, yeah, 100%. Well and here's another thing, right? Progesterone. We need enough progesterone to help us produce GABA, to help with falling asleep and with helping to produce serotonin when your mood-boosting neurotransmitters. So when women say, I don't feel like myself, we've got to look at what's going on in the gut, the hormones. But then we also have to look at where are you on your priority list? Because most women are last or close to last, because it's their comfort zone to put everyone else first. But then this is where it really hits us hard in perimenopause, because again, you're starting to have these depletions happen, or maybe they've been happening for a long time, and this is where they really get loud and will pronounce specific symptoms or things that are just not so easy to resolve like they used to be.Lesley Logan 16:26  Yeah, yeah. And we have a thing we say, like, self-care is, isn't selfish, like, it's, it's actually, I actually think it's quite selfish if you do not prioritize yourself first, I think you're actually, like, you know, trying to think that you're a bigger deal than you are, and then you get mad at people and really, like, actually, if you take care of yourself first, if you are the one who's going to sleep, if you're asking your partner, like, hey, I'll do the wake ups, but you do the like, these kinds of things, then you actually can have more love and more energy and more to give people. But if you don't, then you're actually going to be a drain on them. You're actually going to cause them to have to take care of you sooner. So let's talk to the people who maybe are already in perimenopause or after menopause. Is it too late for them? Yeah, okay, let's get into that. Amber Romaniuk 17:11  Yeah. No, definitely not too late. I think what you have to remind yourself is that your body's always trying to heal. It doesn't matter where you are in your life cycle. I have helped women with all of this from their 20s to their 80s, and they've seen things balance and regulate. So your body's always trying to heal, but we have to look at what's in the way of the healing, and how are you in your own way, and how is your mindset and your habits and behaviors in the way? Right? So I think one of the biggest things we have to look at first is, what kind of relationship do you have with food, and what kind of relationship do you have with yourself? And while we're looking at that, you've got to get your hormones tested. And here's something that I see with especially North America. But you may say, oh yeah, I went to my doctor. They did the testing. They said, everything's fine. It's not my hormones or it's just once you're a certain age, there's nothing you can do, so you just have to deal with it. And I will tell you no to both of those with all due respect. Number one, the ranges for testing in North America are far too big. In my opinion, they're probably triple to quadruple what they should be, and they're making them bigger. So a lot of women will have imbalances in the normal ranges. I did myself. And the second thing is, like I said earlier, your body's always trying to heal, but it's just finding the right people to work with to help you pinpoint what's going on and helping you connect your symptoms to your habits to your test results. And then what steps do we need to start taking to regulate things? Now we've been conditioned like do a test. Take a supplement. Now testing is very important information, and vitamins can be a great part of your healing journey, but it can turn into a quick fix if you think all you need is a few supplements to course correct this, okay, because what we're not asking ourselves is, why did I end up with severe adrenal fatigue in the first place, which is where your cortisol gets way too high? How did I end up with hypothyroid, underactive, sluggish thyroid, or Hashimotos, the autoimmune condition in the first place? Why is my progesterone so low? What kind of cycles have I been having in my 20s, 30s? Was it easy to get pregnant? What? What kind of, you know, menopausal symptoms Am I having? Like, we need to start asking, why, and not just, oh, I got a result. Now I'm taking this vitamin. How come it's not changing? Lesley Logan 19:15  I love this. Amber Romaniuk 19:17  Well again, like, I think supplements can become a quick fix. Like, oh yeah. Like, I, in the DMs all the time, people are like, what's just tell me what supplement to take. I'm like, number one, I can't do that because it's illegal for me to do so. Number two, you're missing the point. Like, we've got to look at your lifestyle and everything. It's not just a hormone test and then a supplement. If you don't change the habits and the behaviors, you're just going to get pissed off at your practitioner that they didn't help you and that it's not working when, right? We need to get all of it. All of it.Lesley Logan 19:46  I couldn't agree more. Years ago, I was going through some crazy digestive issues. People who've been listening for a while know about this. I, like, cr-, like horrible just would wake up every morning like the like, a flat stomach no iflammation. Would go to bed every night look like, I was, like, eight months pregnant. Just, like, just terrible. I even took pictures, because I was like, Is this in my head? Like, am I making this up? Like, and I would like, find myself looking at people well, they ate dinner, and they look the same after they eat dinner. I eat dinner, I don't look the same. Like, what is going on? And I went through so many different doctors, and I could get zero help. They just want to call it IBS. And I'm like, I refuse that label, sir, because that label is nothing that just is, like, it's zero. It just means I this is what I have and like, so I bought so I, like, walked off of that, and I paid for this guy to take these tests. And he actually worked with a lot of athletes and celebrities and helps them either gain or lose weight for roles or for a lot of athletes. It's like, I was hitting goal goals before, and now I'm not. And he he can look at their what's going on their blood, and then he can go, okay, well, what changed? Right? He's like, oh, I was really stressed out, so I took up oil paintings. Like, where are you oil painting? He's like, in my room. He's like, let's not do that. That's why there's lead in your, you go, oil painting outside, sir. Like, you know, anyway, so going back to him does a test, and he goes, technically, all a lot of these things are in range, but let's explain in range in the States, at least, I don't know if it's the rest of the world. It's not my area of expertise. They take, they took a bunch of people, and then they dropped the first two and a half percent and the last two and a half percent, and they called that a range, yeah, but we actually don't know if that range is optimal for everybody or that body. And so I really test any doctors I work with. If they say, oh, you're in range, you're good. I actually wait for them to say, but while you're in range, you're not in range for like a really do wait to see, like, are they gonna qualify this? Because I don't feel good. And so I don't care that my B12 is in range, I feel low. I feel low energy. And so, so I work, work with someone recently who was like, okay, these levels are in range, but they they might be low for you. So we will put you on this. But we also have to wait for these tests to come back to figure out what caused this in the first place. I was like, ding, ding, ding, you pass the test, and sure enough, there's something going on in my gut. It's been going on for a long time. We were able to tame a lot of it, but I had a parasite, I had a couple other bad bacterias, and so those things are affecting my body's ability to produce the hormones it should be able to do on its own in this moment, you know. So I think, like for everyone listening, it's okay to change doctors. It's hard, especially if you live in the States, I'm not going to say it's easy. I'm not going to say it's cheap. I'm not going to say that any of that. But you have to advocate for yourself. Amber Romaniuk 22:27  You do. You have to advocate for yourself. You can't be afraid to get second opinions. And I think something that we have been like, especially here in Canada, because, quote, unquote, we have free health care doesn't mean it's good. Hey, because you get five minutes, you get one thing, they'll flip through your blood work, everything's fine, see you later, right? That's not healthcare. So one thing that I'm always saying is we need to recondition ourselves to normalize investing in our health, to be willing to spend money investing in the vessel that is literally carrying you through every moment of your life. You have no problem spending $1,500 on an iPhone, spending money on this and that and that and this and this and this and this. But then people get triggered, going, that's expensive for my health. Why do I have to pay for that? And it's like, where is the normalization of that? And so, so part of it is getting secondary opinions and being willing to save or to put money into investing in your health, because it's everything and unfortunate, like, I think it's going to change, but as things stand right now, you get very little from your primary care unless they're a very good, very thorough doctor, which, there are some out there. But I've cut out the middleman with all my clients. Yeah, I do the testing with all of them, because I'm tired of half the doctors being like, you don't need that. Who's ordering it? Why do you want this? You're not in that age range. You look fine. You don't need this test. And and the doctor questioning them, and then the other half doing them, and then, yes, scanning through and saying, everything's fine. And then I say, bring that to me. Let's look at it. And I'm like, I'm seeing some stuff that, you know, I can understand why you're having the symptoms you are. Lesley Logan 23:52  Right because that's, that's the thing. It's like, it's someone reading and listening. So there's like, the I can look at the paperwork, and I can say, okay, this person should be fine, but if I'm hearing you say I'm tired, and I go, okay, well, you're in range, but this is kind of, this is on the lower of the range. Yeah, that's probably why you're tired. Let's or we could try it out, like there's, like, we can try these different things out, and they can test it. Is called a practice, they could. So, I mean, the joke is, like, I pay a fuck ton of money for health insurance here, and I get the same response from a doctor, so I, too, had to pay out. But I there's a there's a study that says, like, women are more likely to pay for these things, and I think it is, it is changing, because a lot of women are going I don't have to put up with this anymore. I don't have to, don't have to with my mother's menopause. I don't have to, like, hide in a corner and just go well, this is me now, and this is how it's going to be, and I'm just going to have to have these sweats. It's like, no, there's, there is studies out there, and the more women voice their concerns and do their research and demand from their professionals that that's what they want, it is going to change things. I do believe that we can change these things. So any habits or tips that we should consider when it comes to our hormone health and our digestive health that our listeners can take away with you?Amber Romaniuk 25:12  100% so I think one of the first things is start getting into a mindful eating practice, disconnecting from technology, phones, computers, and actually sitting and eating your food mindfully, you'll digest better, and you'll be more aware of what physical and emotional satiation feels like. When you're eating and you're multitasking, number one, you're not in digest and rest mode, you're not going to digest properly. Number two, a lot of women I work with also binge or emotionally eat, and then they finish their food and they're like, oh, but I finished that really, like, I want something else, because they weren't present and they weren't present and they weren't paying attention, and so that you'll never be emotionally satiated when you're not paying attention. And so they pick through the cupboard, and then they overeat, and then they're hard on themselves. So that helps with that, and it starts to help you what is full feel like. A lot of women don't know that either, and so knowing fullness is also important to prevent overeating. So I think that's important. Getting enough sleep as you get into perimenopause, and I know you can be awake from 12 to four in the morning because your progesterone's still low, your thyroid is off, your blood sugar's off, right? So get your hormones tested. However, also practice good sleep hygiene, ideally disconnecting from technology 15 to 30 minutes before bed, getting to sleep before 11 pm optimal hormone balance is trying to happen between 11 pm and 1 am and if we're trying to be a night owl or you're binge watching TV, like, these habits are not going to help you make perimenopause or menopause easier. I also think for most women, and this is in my experience, because most of them are dealing with hypothyroid, high cortisol, progesterone issues, etc, through peri and menopause, fasting until you get your hormone test done, and if everything looks really good, maybe that's going to work for you. But stop skipping meals. Stop skipping breakfast. You're going to make things go in the wrong direction. Eating regularly through the day is very important for blood sugar stability, because when we start to get into those perimenopause and menopause phases, our blood sugar can get a lot more sensitive, and deciding to skip breakfast because I want to lose weight or because I don't feel hungry will actually just make that worse, and it can suppress your metabolism more easily. If you're not hungry in the morning, it's either because you have a hunger hormone imbalance or a thyroid issue. So we need to investigate, again, what is going on. It's not normal to not be hungry, and if we assume I'm not hungry, I shouldn't eat. And then, you know, you're tired, your blood sugar's crashing. You're gaining weight, whatever's going on. This is, unfortunately, you know, innocent assumptions that are fueling more stress with the hormones. So eating regularly through the day, ideally eating something small within 30 minutes of waking up to wake up your gut, your blood sugar, metabolism, getting everything going, and then obviously food's gonna look a little different for everyone. But again, trying to eat as close to nature as possible, less processed food, protein, oh my gosh. Women don't eat enough protein or fat. Fat is our friend. We need enough fat to balance our hormones and to lose weight and energy mental clarity, so starting to feel safe enough eating enough and carbohydrates are also safe. But I'm talking like fruits, veggies, starchy vegetables. Some will make new grain. Some can't. But like, we need carbohydrates. All these diets and eating styles that are like, cut carbs, don't know we need enough. And here's one specific example, if you have cortisol issues so high or low cortisol, adrenal fatigue, burnout is a common like, way of people saying it, where you're exhausted and you're gaining weight in the abdomen, you're puffy. Cutting carbs will make that so much worse. And so this is where it comes back to get your health assessed, get your hormones tested, get your gut assessed, work with someone who can look at your whole picture, physically, mentally, emotionally, and then help advise you on the best way to eat in support of helping your hormones and gut balance, helping heal your relationship with food. I learned that the hard way. I cut out a bunch of carbs when I was trying to heal my gut. It it my hormones were a mess. I gained a ton of weight, and I wasn't binge eating, right? So it's innocent. You're trying to just fix things, but then you don't know what's going on, and it just makes something worse. So, yeah.Lesley Logan 28:57  Yeah, it's so I mean, because here's the thing, like, for most people listening, you know, your elder, millennial, young Gen X, and we were raised on the no fat, sugar-free things, right? And so you you got sub subconsciously, you're right. Like, fat is not your friend, and it's like, your brain really likes it. And like, I so, but I found is I'm not someone who, like, counts anything, I try, really, really hard to just go, like, is there protein happening every time I'm gonna eat? Is there like, literally, protein on every plate. And then I'm, like, happily excited for cheese, avocados. Like, bring it on, you know? But I had a girlfriend who was like, just try this thing out. And I was like, I'll just see what she's doing every day. I was like, I'm not getting enough carbs. What is going on, and I had to, like, and be intentional about it. And I was like, no wonder I don't have enough energy at the end of the day. I'm not pull I have not fueling myself to have energy in the day. You know, it was, it was while I quit after, like, that realization. I was like, well, at least I know now, like, what's going on, I just wasn't getting enough fuel, and it's it can be very difficult. Our lives are very busy and so, like, it's not easy to set yourself up for success with food, but I find Brad and I, I find, whenever we actually like batch cook the protein, we both are much better the whole week.Amber Romaniuk 30:18  Totally, 100% because it's the key foundational food that is keeping your blood sugar regulated, right? And you can't eat the raw protein. You have to cook it. So it's like, you can't just throw it in a bowl with some spices and some avocado, yeah, but it gets easier to build those habits over time, like food prep, right? It's all about muscle building, and it's a slow process, so be patient with your progress. It will shift, and then you get to have this much more aligned lifestyle habits and behaviors that are going to support you through perimenopause and menopause much easier if you're patient and you don't see it as a quick fix and you actually see it as a lifestyle changes.Lesley Logan 30:55  Yeah, okay. Can we talk about the quick fix, though? Because I think that that's like, easier said than done, and I feel like you are an expert in this, because you had to retrain yourself. How, how did you like retrain yourself to be patient for the results you were looking for? Amber Romaniuk 31:10  Yeah. Okay, good question. So, trial and error, right? Going back and forth and continuing to fail and remind myself, oh yeah, this quick fix stuff isn't working because I keep ending back in the same spot, a lot of affirmations and like subliminal, subconscious mind reprogramming, I think building a self-care practice where I started to see the value in slowing down, prioritizing my needs and bringing like, meditation and things where I had to, like, slow down and be still, helped me practice the feeling of patience in my body. And then as I started to feel better and experience the results, I'm like, oh yeah, patience. This is why I need to be patient. Because what we have to look back on is, if I've been struggling with these symptoms or these behaviors or fatigue or whatever it is for years or decades, I've got to understand that it's going to take more than a week, a month, like a few months, to fully shift this potentially, because it's years and decades of the ladder, right? So constant reminders, and then over time, it becomes more of your natural state of being. And yes, sometimes we get impatient. However, we have to remind ourselves there's so much value in allowing ourselves to be on the journey. There's lessons, there's growth, there's evolution as you are as a human, right, and a woman on this planet. And so I think it's just so important to understand like your healing journey is one of the most valuable journeys you can choose to go on, because it's going to help you grow and evolve in ways you can't imagine right now. And becoming in tune and learning how to listen to your body is the most powerful gift you can give yourself, because once you know how to listen, you know what you need, and you can have your team of people, in case there's something you can't figure out to get that assistance from, but you feel powerful and confident and you're unstoppable, and that allows you to live the most powerful, high quality of life and reach your goals and have better relationships and everything, because you feel empowered and you learn and you trust your body. And I just think that's priceless. Lesley Logan 33:01  So good. Amber, so good. Okay, well, I could talk to you forever, but we're gonna take a brief break and find out people can find you, follow you, work with you. Lesley Logan 33:11  Where do you like to hang out, Amber? Where can people connect with you? If this was like, speaking to them and they're like, yeah, this woman gets me, where can they go?Amber Romaniuk 33:18  Yeah. So you can go to the website, amberapproved.ca if you want to learn more about body freedom, take the free emotional eating quiz. If you're wondering if you're struggling, or if you want to book a 30 minute consultation, it's complimentary. We can connect and talk about whatever is going on for you, hormones, gut, emotional eating. I work with people all over the world, so it doesn't matter where you're located. And the podcast is called the No Sugarcoating Podcast. If you liked our conversation, you'll love over 500 episodes. And then I'm on social, YouTube and Instagram, and it's my name, Amber Romaniuk, R-O-M-A-N-I-U-K.Lesley Logan 33:48  Wonderful. You've actually given us a ton already. So thank you for that. But you know, for our peeps who are like, I'm obsessed, but okay, where do I start first? Or what should I do next? Or what should I be thinking about? The bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Amber Romaniuk 34:04  Yeah, I think the first thing is, what symptoms are you experiencing right now? Put it in a piece of paper, and on a scale of one to 10, if you have low energy, 10 being I have good energy, one's really bad, where are you rating yourself? Start being aware of the intensity of your symptoms, because that's going to allow you to go, oh, maybe because I have fatigue, I need to really emphasize that to my doctor, or whomever I'm going to reach out to like when you know your symptoms and you can communicate that it is going to help you get the answers and the support to resolve those things. Second, build a self-care routine. I know we're all busy, but if you've got time to be on scrolling on your phone, watching TV, you've got time to build a self-care practice. Start with five to 10 minutes, a few days a week, even if it's just sitting or slowing down and practicing the art of doing nothing, because in order to balance your hormones, you've got to slow down and regulate your nervous system. I think the last thing is, be patient and compassionate with yourself. Try to build a friendship with your body. She's not working against you. She's trying to help you, but we just haven't been taught how to work with our bodies.Lesley Logan 35:05  So good, so good. Amber, thank you so much. Thank you, I learned, I got so inspired. I also got reminded of so many things. I learned so many things. I'm super excited about this. I know our listeners are going to have to share this with several of their friends. So thank you for being here and sharing your amazingness with us. You guys, how are you guys. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag Amber. Tag he Be It Pod, send this to a girlfriend who needs it, one who's been tired a long time and or going, I've got to do this. I'm going to do this. And you just feel them doing a lot and not listening to their bodies enough. This might be the message they need to hear. So until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 35:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley Logan shines a light on the power of celebrating your wins, because too often we forget how far we've come. From the overlooked genius of Mileva Marić to a listener's business breakthroughs, Lesley reminds us why recognition matters. She also shares her own wins around new episode series and rebranding the podcast, closing with an empowering affirmation to help you tell the truth about who you are and what you need.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:44  Hey, Be It babe. How are you? We are here. September is one of those months I feel like flies by. I know it's not as short as February, but, like, you know, it just kind of feels short. Anyways, it's already September 12th, and this is your Fuck Yeah Friday episode. This episode where we get to, like, have a little bit more of a potpourri episode. Potpourri is a category in jeopardy that I never understood why it was called potpourri, because my mother loved potpourri. She'd make like her own potpourri. And I'm like, none of these questions or answers are about the roses, like, rose petals, like, I don't understand. Then I realized, like, it's just, like, you just put a bunch of stuff together and, like, it could be anything, and then it's potpourri. So anyways, first we start off with something that's inspiring. We should talk about. I would love for us to talk about. You can hit me up on the pod Instagram to talk about it. Share. You can DM us. You can set it to beitpod.com/questions. Ask questions about it. You can share your wins at beitpod.com/questions I know it's weird. We're thinking quest wins, but like, who can spell that? So it's questions, but you can put a win or a question there. We answer your questions on Thursday during the recap. And our, we share your wins on a Friday, because sometimes you need to hear your own win later on and go, oh, my god, I did that. Right? Like, have you ever had to listen to your own bio read. So it's one of those things, when I do a podcast, and after I've done recording this, I'm on someone's own podcast, sometimes they record that part without me there, and sometimes they record that part with me there. When they record that part with me there, I'm like, oh my god, I did that. Oh, I did do that. Oh, I did that in that amount of time. Holy freaking molly. It's so easy for us to forget the things that we did. That's why we have to celebrate them. All right. I also realized that I talk really fast. I do realize this, and I have people who tell me they do not speed up my podcast, and that's fine. You don't have to. You can also slow it down. Did you know that? Lesley Logan 2:20  Okay, so this inspired me. Scholars believe that Albert Einstein was on the autism spectrum, but no one talks about his wife. And I hope I say this right, Mileva Marić, Mileva Marić. Anyways, historians speculated that she may have contributed to his theories, but she received no credit for her work. I think we don't have to speculate. I'm pretty sure that's probably true. Einstein was called a genius. He went on to win the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics and became a global icon of science. Mileva excelled in theoretical physics. In some classes, she reportedly scored even higher than Einstein. Despite strong academic performance, she was the only woman in her class, and faced intense gender bias from her male professors. But in the early 1900s women had limited rights. Women couldn't vote in most countries, couldn't publish under their own names, and were not taken seriously in academics, Einstein and Mileva, I hope I say her name right because that would be such a shame, exchanged letters discussing physics, mathematics and joint ideas. In the letters, Einstein even referred to our work on relative motion and our papers. So why was only his name on the papers? Einstein's most groundbreaking work was published only while he was still with Mileva before their separation. This included special relativity, so E equals MC squared and the photoelectric effect, all published during their time and together in the 1905, his miracle year after their divorce, Einstein offered Mileva his future Nobel Prize money. Some believe it was compensation for uncredited contributions to his work. Probably was. After their separation, 1914, Einstein never produced theories of the same revolutionary impact. Hmm, evidence, I think so. So how much of his genius was actually Mileva's uncredited contributions? A comprehensive review of 308 studies from 1914 to 2011 involving over 1.1 million students from 30 countries, found that girls consistently outperformed boys in all subjects, including math and science. That is from Time magazine. Mileva and Einstein's story, leave us with a question, how many brilliant women throughout history weren't raised simply because they had fewer rights and no voice? So there's a great book called She Cost a Riot, which I really love, and I would love to get that author on the show. And there's a couple other scientists who, like in Europe, who got a bit more credit, but didn't get paid. Like, literally, could teach the stuff, but they couldn't get paid. And so, you know, there's also, I think we talked about this on the on the pod before, but like, how Socrates is, teacher was a woman. And the truth is, is that people have wanted to erase what women were doing so that women could be held back. And I'm not, I don't think we have to go women are better than men. That's not the argument I'm trying to have here. It's that women deserve the same credit that a man would get for the work that they're doing. Period. End of story. It's not about taking, it's about like, it like just having the opportunity to have the equal credit and reward and achievements that other people would get. So I'm glad we have all these theories, and if they work together, that is really cool. And I'm not saying he is the reason why, you know, like, she didn't get the credit. It is with society. But I just think that, like, there's some, there's some research we can do, there's some, there's more. There's more to this story. There's more to a lot of stories. And you know, I think hopefully as we all get older, we will hear more about these amazing women and what they did, and I hope that we can celebrate them, and maybe the kids from today can hear about her and other things out there. So anyways, that's just me. That's just me. This is my hope. Lesley Logan 6:00  Okay, so let's share a win of yours so you can send your wins in, like I said, to beitpod.com/questions and the win we're going to share today is from Jeanne Cho. Did all the things to make a website, and it will be done by this weekend, finally. Thanks, Brad, for the web course. Received a request for a local paid event, the second contract this month. So excited to see what will come once I'm actually online. Found out Craft Work is in town this weekend, so looking forward to experiencing a legendary performance, often hesitate in taking personal time away from my daughter and being selfish. So, so proud to be selfish in digging up old Pilates footage for the website found on an Equinox. Price, Pilates price brochure from 2016 noticing my current session rate is what they were charging a decade ago, but relieved that at least I'm earning their old drop-in rate. So, this is beautiful Jeanne. So many wins in here. First of all, and this is for everyone, doing things that fill your cup is never selfish. I know that, like, when you're a mom, your time might be limited with your children, and they grow up so fast. But also, like, it's so important that they see that you go out and do things that are fun, that you have hobbies, that you have things that that bring you joy. And they will recognize when they're older, like, oh, wow, she did that, and she was, like, a happier person because of it. So love that. Love that for you. Also, you know, I love that, that old Equinox Pilates rate price card, because, like, I remember when I worked at Equinox and I charged exactly what they charged. So I was like, well, if over here that someone, a company, is taking that rate for my teaching, why, I certainly can charge the same amount where I'm teaching for myself. And that also just kind of meant, like, I didn't have to have those conversations with people, like, I'm cheaper over here, but more expensive here. Like, no, it's the same rate. But like, it does take sometimes a pep talk right, to remind yourself, like, oh, people are charging this. Now, obviously different places are different, but like, way to go. You, you made it, you got yourself there, and you're earning the rate that you want to earn, and you got yourself your website, and you use your support systems, like, that's another thing I want to highlight. Like everyone, it is a win that was worth celebrating when you use your support systems. A lot of times, we buy these things, we pay for things, and then we don't use them. And because, like, I don't know, we're scared, we're worried, we're afraid. And the truth is, or like, who knows? Actually, maybe good things will happen, right? Is that what you're afraid of? So when you have resources, it is a win. When you're like, you recognize you have them and you use them, you take the action. So, way to go, Jeanne, thank you for sharing with us, because that way it helps us figure out how, my god, we have so many more wins we could celebrate, right? Lesley Logan 8:40  Okay, so, you guys, I am going to share this with you guys right now because it's going to be soon, but I am really excited we've had so we've had hundreds of episodes, like, like, so many episodes. I don't even know where we're at this point, because I'm recording this a little early, but I was a little afraid to like, years ago, to, like, rock the boat of, like, how the system of the pod goes because, like, what's if it's not broken like, why fix it? But I've decided I want to do a few different series on this pod for you guys. So like, a habit series and a preventative burnout series, and make a self-love or boundaries series. And so anyways, I'm letting you know now that, like, I, I'm calling it a win that I am recording these series for you because, like, I'm really fucking confident in, like, what we've done here for you guys. We get really great interviews, we have really great guests. We have a lot of fun doing this. Our producers are amazing. And I know that the a different type of series will be beneficial for you guys, and I hope that it is. And if they're, if they're, if you do like them, I do want you to tell me what other series we should do on the show, because it will help us direct, like which guests we bring on and like what topics we bring up. But you know, being it till you see it requires us to also, like, take a different chance, try something different, like, try something different than we've done before. So anyways, I'm really, really excited about that. Lesley Logan 10:03  I'm also excited that here we are in our fourth year. I celebrated four years this past summer, and you know, we were, Brad and I are like, we want to change the music. We want to update the like, all the different things. So you're going to see a little bit of a refresh and a rebrand around here. And it's not because the pod is changing in a way that you won't recognize it. It's just becoming more of what it was supposed to be. The pod itself has been being it till it sees it. And I'm just like, I'm calling that a win. And so thank you for being on this journey. Thank you for supporting us. Thank you for sharing episodes, thank you for sending your wins in and your questions in. Lesley Logan 10:40  And now for your affirmation to take with you into your fabulous weekend. Are you ready? I tell the truth about who I am and what I need from others. I tell the truth about who I am and what I need from others. I tell the truth about who I am and what I need from others. Yeah, you do. You're amazing. Now go Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 11:01  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 11:44  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 11:49  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 11:53  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 12:00  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 12:04  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Brad and Lesley recap her conversation with franchise expert Jon Ostenson, unpacking how non-food franchising helps risk-averse entrepreneurs own a business without reinventing the wheel. They highlight funding paths, corporate support, and why following the playbook matters. You will hear practical ways to start while keeping your day job and how Jon's services are paid by franchisors, not you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:When to treat Reformer footwork differently from leg press.How franchise ownership works even if you keep your day job.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Common mistakes franchisees make when they don't follow the playbook.The mindset shifts around seeing $50K as possible, not impossible.Episode References/Links:Indivisible Movement - https://indivisible.orgBook: She Caused A Riot by Hannah Jewell - https://a.co/d/cGhs5UYP.O.T. 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How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do. Then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing.Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the supporting convo I had with Jon Ostenson in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us, or listen to this one, and then you can decide if you want to listen that one. I think it's great. Jon has a book. It's really wonderful. It's a very niche topic. It's a nerdy topic. It's one I wanted to have because I don't think entrepreneurs, I'm like, making your own idea is for everybody, but I do think everybody deserves to have the wealth and agency that they want to have in this world and make what they want to make. So I'm excited about it. Brad Crowell 1:30  Well, I thought I really liked, I really liked the conversation. I was very I mean, especially for me, because I am very entrepreneurial, but I appreciated the back and forth. So, yeah, I, I think that it was very revealing. Lesley Logan 1:51  Are you saying it was a great interview? Did I do a good job? Brad Crowell 1:51  I'm saying it was a great interview. Not only that, but I think the information that he's sharing is shocking. He's super smart dude, and I thought, I thought it was very revealing for someone who might be hoping, wishing they could own a business. This was very empowering, because it, it created hope I think. So, yeah, great. Lesley Logan 2:17  I well, you'll, you guys, stay tuned. You'll hear what we're talking about in a second. Today is September 11th, 2025 and it's Patriot Day, which gives us all time to reflect on the devastating terror attacks that took 3000 lives. We commemorate those who we lost, and give thanks to the brave responders who put their lives on the line. Take a moment today to consider what we stand for as a nation, how we can work together to make the world a better place for all. It's a hard day. Brad Crowell 2:39  Yeah, I mean.Lesley Logan 2:40  Especially with 20, with 25 years to reflect on what fucking lies we're told afterwards, and then how we treat the first responders and how fucking hard it was to get their medical bills paid because they're dying from cancer right now. Like.Brad Crowell 2:56  Yeah, it's like, it's like a story that keeps repeating itself where something devastating happens that is wrong and tragic. People die and then motherfuckers in office take advantage of the public's emotional state, and they use it to go do some wrong shit. Lesley Logan 3:18  Go, so seriously, go watch the movie Vice. I happen to be really lucky to be teaching Christian Bale's wife at the time that he was filming that. And so it was a really interesting time, because, like, he was becoming Dick Cheney, which, like, it is a, I mean, of course, he won an, I think he won a bunch of awards for that. And he literally thanked Satan for the inspiration. Brad Crowell 3:41  Yes, he did. Lesley Logan 3:37  And I remember, I remember my client. I remember my client was, my client was just like, I fucking told him not to do that, or something like that. And so anyways, but go watch it, because it, while it's not historical, it is pretty fucking accurate about like, how rich Cheney and these bitches got after doing what they did and using, using the heartbreak, and what people fought with patriotism to go make these fucking wars, and then we did a bunch of bullshit, and then we ruined places. And it just pisses me off, because. Brad Crowell 4:04  Over, over, lies. Lesley Logan 4:09  Lies and so. And also, if you don't believe in September 11th being what it was like, I don't know why you're here, but like, I, I just really.Brad Crowell 4:18  Well, it was, I mean, it was a terrorist attack, no question. But what we did after it, how the public was manipulated, to then go to war for 20 years after, based on literal lies, you know.Lesley Logan 4:30  Yeah, it's, I it's hard because, like, okay, reflecting on what we consider as a nation today, I think, as an I think the people running our nation today reflect something I would never want to be a patriot of.Brad Crowell 4:42  Yeah, and that that's, that's the thing that really frustrates me as a person who, when you read the definition of patriot, I want to be that. That is absolutely, I mean, I consider myself a patriot. But also there's this, there's this frustrating association with angry white men, usually, who don't give a shit about people. And there's so much fear of others associated with it. And there's this ego that's associated with it that.Lesley Logan 5:17  It's, it's so it's so fragile. What they're like, they're thinking is so they are. They're such fragile people. Because they're just like, they're the way that they think, that they're showing strength. And we're like, protesting, they're like, like, making sure that we see the middle finger, and like, just like, and it's like, I have never driven in my entire life, of driving past something, we're talking about this with the protest where I disagree. Brad Crowell 5:39  We used to live by protests all the time, where we lived in L.A., we're literally next to the federal building, so it was like, every weekend, forever.Lesley Logan 5:45  Every weekend, it was like, who's protesting today? And like, there were times I was like, oh, I wonder why. It made me get curious as to, like, what is going on here. It was very fascinating. And it was like, what the fuck like, but I never was like, here's my middle finger to you. It's like, just, you know, move along. Move right along. The fact that you have to make sure I see your face in your lifted stupid truck while you flip me off, it makes you and that makes you feel good. You're like, yeah, I did it to them. I did it like, we were in Idaho, and there was a big ass sign in this guy's house. I was walking by the lake, and it was like, make liberals cry again, and it's like, oh, you think I'm crying. I'm pissed off. Like the tears of the tears are of what we are losing, of course, but like, no, I'm pissed off. James Baldwin, I want to, I want to make sure everyone hears this quote, because I think it's really beautiful, and I think it's this is what being a patriot is. I love America more than any other country in the world, and exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. And I think that, like, this country has so many shortcomings, and no country is perfect. Like, I was listening to Sophia Bush on a podcast recently, and she's like, like, I'm not gonna move because, like, I love this place. I'm gonna fight for her. And so, like, if you moved and whatever, like, I have no judgments for that, but if you're here, like, you have to fight, because we're losing rights. We're losing rights. And it really pisses me off, because in the time of my mother being an adult and married woman, she could not get a credit card until, like, the 80s, right? Like, like, I if you're listening to this and you're just like, la, la, la, I just want to hear about how to be till I see it. Ladies, you are going to lose your ability to have your own bank account. You're gonna lose your ability to have your own vote. And if you think it's not going to happen because, oh, it's not going to happen. It's they want it to happen. And the right people are in power. And I'm tired of being told that Project 2025 is bullshit. It is happening right now. Lesley Logan 5:46  They're more than 50% of the way through completing Project 2025.Lesley Logan 5:48  In the time we're recording this, seven months. Brad Crowell 7:40  Yeah, seven months. And, I mean, you know, if you go through and you actually read the things that are in that platform, they they do want to make single family voting, which is literally taking away the white the rights of women, because they would consider the man the head of the household. Lesley Logan 8:02  And if you think, oh, I'm not married yeah your brother get to vote for you. I don't have a brother, your uncle get to vote for you. Like they will find a man if and when this type of life existed, they would find someone in the government to become your vote. You don't get there's no getting out of this. You don't get one.Brad Crowell 8:17  Yeah, and, and, and the people in power are Tweeting about that stuff, literally right now, right like they're they're putting it out there. They're trying to normalize the idea so that when they go and try to do it, it doesn't seem like it's as big of a deal as it actually fucking is. Lesley Logan 8:32  So you know what I think patriotism is right now, babe, it is, find a protest. I know you're busy. I know you have fucked tons, going on. We are, too. Find one. Go for an hour. Go yell. Go meet friends. Go meet people who are different than you. It's, these protests people, some people are fighting for their their gay marriages to still exist. Some people are fighting further to not be war. Some people are fighting for God. Some people are fighting to like for the Epstein list. I don't care what gets you out there, but like you think that this, that what they're gonna do is not gonna affect your life, it is. It is. Brad Crowell 8:55  Yeah, go, go check out individual, indivisible.org, for a local, you know, event, or how you can get involved near you. So, you know, we're gonna move on, and we're gonna actually. Lesley Logan 9:11  Well, people like this, Brad, we've been told, hi, Vicky.Brad Crowell 9:14  I think it's so important y'all and and it's like this, I know that we this isn't a podcast about politics, but it is. Lesley Logan 9:22  But also, but also. Brad Crowell 9:23  Being it until you see it is a pod, it is about like politics, and it is a part of every single element of our life, even if you have the perfect life, quote, unquote, it's because of politics that you are able to live the way that you live. And what's happening right now is such fast, dramatic change in our countries. Like, historically, there's so much change happening so quickly there, that when we wake up, you know, in even six months from now, it's going to be like, there we are at the brink of things. Lesley Logan 9:53  I don't even know how we're going to make it to the midterms. That's my fear. That's my fear, and I put it out right now, but I will just say, even if you're like, less. I just want a homestead. I want to be like tradwife. The fact that you get to choose that is because of politics. So that is fine if that's what you want to choose to do. But do not think that everybody wants to do that and that that should be the choice for everybody. So I think that like that is why we have to get involved. And if you are a woman, you are political. Your existence in any room is political has been and if you really want to get fired up, go read the book, She Caused A Riot. Go look at history. Like fucking Socrates, his teacher was a woman. Did you know that? The reason you don't know that is because politics, they didn't want you to know that there was leaders in this world.Brad Crowell 10:39  Politics and religion. Lesley Logan 10:39  Fuck that. Anyways. Brad Crowell 10:39  Frustrating. Lesley Logan 10:39  I'm pissed off, but we're currently in the U.K. We're in the U.K. and then when we get home, well, we're home for a couple of weeks, and we gotta see my best friends and come visit, and then we're gonna go to Chicagoland for Pilates On Tour with Balanced Body. I'm doing the Joe's Gyms there. That's in Burr Ridge. If there's any spots left, you should snag one, because it's super, super fun, and we have a huge party coming with all of our agency eLevate OPC members, then we're gonna be in Cambodia. That's also in October. You can still join like you can join last minute. Guess what? Flight planes will sell a seat as long as there is one. So you can get the fuck out of town and retreat a little bit and be in a different world and get some empathy for what it's like to live in different places.Brad Crowell 11:21  Yeah, and experience a different culture and see that not everybody.Lesley Logan 11:24  If you are worried. Sorry, I cut you off. If you're worried about being an American in a different country, let me tell you, they see what's happening right now, and they are, in Cambodia, they are sad for us. They are scared for us. They know that they know where we're headed, and they're sad for us.Brad Crowell 11:25  Yeah, I was just gonna say with our experience recently about trying to cross borders and getting stuck and turned around and not being able to, it wasn't the it wasn't the attendees of the events that we were not able to attend who were angry with us. It was the border guard who was, you know, unfortunately, misinformed and, you know, and angry. And he's angry because the border guards of our country were turning away people for no reason. So he could just, that's the only power he had, was to turn away, you know, Americans for no reason. And we just kind of got caught up in that. So there's a lot of, there is a lot of frustration, but it's not from the people, right, in this country, it's like, you know? So, so I would say, you know, yeah, it did feel a little bit stressful to you know, as we were approaching, once we got there and started talking to them, it became clear that that there was just silly reasons being turned away but, but even in that, like the you know, the guy wasn't like, he wasn't an asshole about it. So, but I it was really frustrating. If you're worried about something like that, when you come to a place like Cambodia, you apply for your visa ahead of time. You will know before you arrive if they're going to turn you around, because you'll have the right paperwork.Lesley Logan 13:06  And also you're we're all going as tourists. The Canadian thing, we were going into work. Brad Crowell 13:11  That's true. Lesley Logan 13:11  And that was it, we'll have to do a whole episode on it, because it's a longer, longer conversation. That being said, you go to. Brad Crowell 13:18  But as a tourist, they want a tourist. They want that because. Lesley Logan 13:21  That's how they're that's literally how their country survives. Brad Crowell 13:24  Yep, it's how well, it's how the city that we're going to, that's how the economy there survives, from tourism. So, you know, and they are very aware of that, so. Lesley Logan 13:32  Yes, they want us there. They're so welcoming, they're so kind, and you can see what it's like to be living in a different part of this world. I think that's so important. I think one of the biggest reasons why people in this, in the U.S., are so fucking scared of people of a different color is because they've never, they've never gone and seen how they live. Yeah, you know, go get worldly. You will have more empathy, crowsnestretreats.com. After we leave Cambodia, we're going to be in Singapore. We're going to teach at a beautiful studio there, and then we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens. And then we're home. We're home for the whole month of November. Oh my God, no, Brad, I'm not going camping anywhere. We're home for the whole month of November. Brad Crowell 14:10  But my parents are coming. We're gonna go camp. Lesley Logan 14:12  No, we're, that is not why they're coming to visit us. Help make an, help you with the roof or something. And then October, we're gonna be on our winter tour. And if you want to make sure you hear about that first, go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events, because our people on our waitlist will get the access to the tickets first. And the winter tour does have cities that sell out in 24 hours. Okay, we have to get to our interview, but we do have an audience question. So Brad, go for it.Brad Crowell 14:37  Yes. Okay. DMK asks on Instagram, hey Lesley, my footwork question is this, what cue or cues do you like to use during footwork? I'm sorry, if footwork students, very confused. They made a mistake on the word here.Lesley Logan 14:42  What cues do you like to use, if during footwork, students are using it like a leg press? Brad Crowell 14:56  Oh, sorry. Okay. Lesley Logan 14:57  Yeah, thank you. Brad Crowell 14:59  Well, I just read that wrong. That's all.Lesley Logan 15:00  It's okay, it's all good. So.Brad Crowell 15:04  First off, we're clearly talking about. Lesley Logan 15:06  Footwork on the Reformer. Yeah. DMK, this, I hate cues.Brad Crowell 15:13  Well, hold on, let's explain what the problem is. What is the problem that she's experiencing with her class? Lesley Logan 15:17  The problem that she's probably seen is they're, they're, they're pushing out and in, like, it's a leg press machine, like, it's like a leg machine, and they're making it only a leg exercise versus a full body exercise, right? And then the other thing is that they're not using all the muscles of their legs, because they're just, like, shoving their knees straight. And they're probably pausing at the top, which is what you do on a leg press machine. And then kind of, hopefully, on a leg press machine, you're resisting. But a lot of people just kind of, like, close the the weights, or just like, kind of float in or ride the springs in. So here's the deal, DMK, my teacher, Jay Grimes, and the teachers I studied with him, talked a lot about how Joe didn't really correct during footwork. You use footwork to tell you what's kind of going on in the person's body. So I also happen to like three or four springs on for footwork. So some people think that, like heavy springs means they're gonna use it like a leg press machine, but ideally you want those heavy springs to warm the body up. Two lightest springs can actually affect someone's lower back, if they have a tight lower back, or they're not getting the connection, and the warm up for what's to come. So I do like three to four springs. That being said, what you can do for those people who want to make it a leg press machine, take all the springs off, go down to one light spring and see what happens. They're going to fly off. And you're like, yeah, you actually have to push into the foot bar the whole time, even as you come in. So I love a one spring, because it kind of helps teach the actual movement, and then load the springs up. If you take my fast workshop, I think you can get it on our OPC website. You'll see how I explain how to use especially with arches and heels to do that. The other thing I would say is ask them, if they are opening the front of the hips or opening the back of the knees. What is their intention? Meaning, the, when you focus on opening the knee joint, you're a leg press machine. When you focus on opening the front of the hips, you're making this move from your center. I am looking, I actually don't care people's knees go straight. I'm looking at, can they move their thigh away from their center and open the front of their hips and then pull that back in. So I'm kind of looking at that, but if they don't do those things, the footwork is just really telling me how they're actually moving. And I have to pick other exercises to assist. So other ways to help them understand that's not like press machine would be doing leg springs. Single leg springs, both leg springs, footwork on the Tower is gonna be really helpful, because that's a whole different plane. And so like, find different exercises that get your point across. Ask them what they're feeling and then take them back to the Reformer and say, find that feeling here.Lesley Logan 17:39  Great. Love it. That's the best cue you could do. Lesley Logan 17:50  There you go. Brad Crowell 17:50  I love it. Great question, DMK. Lesley Logan 17:52  Thanks, DMK. Brad Crowell 17:52  If you have a question, just text us. 310-905-5534, 310-905-5534 or you can actually send your question in through, beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 18:07  That's where you can also send your wins in, too. I want your wins, people. Brad Crowell 18:14  We want your wins. Let's do it. All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're actually going to talk about Jon Ostenson next. Lesley Logan 18:20  Finally. Brad Crowell 18:22  All right, let's talk about Jon Ostenson. An expert in franchising and based out of Atlanta, Georgia, Jon Ostenson left his W2 job eight years ago, after years in the corporate world, to become president of Shelf Genie, a large franchise system where he says he fell in love with the franchise model, which he explained amazingly and in detail during the interview. So if you didn't get a chance to listen to that, I would, I would very much encourage you to go listen to it. It was super informative. He is, Jon, is now the founder of FranBridge Consulting and author of the bestselling book, Non-Food Franchising, which, Lesley, I know you read, I've seen it on our table out there. Jon helps clients find suitable franchise opportunities from over 600 different brands outside of the fast food industry. His mission is to guide individuals who want to own a business but may feel risk-averse or lack a, quote unquote, genius idea connecting with them with proven scalable franchise model, and here's the, models, and here's the crazy thing, this is where I was like, oh my God, this guy's brilliant, his services to you are free. How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Yeah, pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing. So.Lesley Logan 19:44  I love it. I love it so much because it's, like, it's completely risk-averse for you, like, and the reason I thought this, I really wanted to dig in with this guy, because I don't even understand how you get into a franchise, and. Brad Crowell 19:58  Well, it makes me want to get into franchises. Lesley Logan 20:00  I know. And we just met someone who's like, all he does is all these different franchises and and so I just like it because, like, first of all, we talked a lot about how you could, like, work and have a franchise. Like, it's like, there's like, there's all these different ways you can do it. So, anyways.Brad Crowell 20:16  Yeah, he said a lot of franchisors, the people on the franchise, still might have a day job, because. Lesley Logan 20:21  Yeah. Aren't they a franchisee? Brad Crowell 20:24  Oh, sorry, franchisee. You're, you're right. The franchisor is the parent company. The franchisee is the person who's, who's like, purchase one of the locations or whatever. So the franchisee as if you could still be working your normal life and have a franchise, obviously, then it's about the team that you put in place to make sure that they can run it without you having to be there. But, but this guy was talking about having franchises all over the country, so he's clearly not in them operating them. Lesley Logan 20:51  Yeah. But also. No. And so you can be an owner-operator. He has, he, like, his book has got a lot of this stuff in it, if you want to, like, dig in even more and then chat with him, but like, here's what I. Brad Crowell 20:51  And by the way, we're not just talking about Pilates franchises. Lesley Logan 21:02  No, he is, like, there's so many, there's some out there. And also, like, I personally, I personally don't want to grab someone else's Pilates franchises, because, the way I like to teach, I probably would want to make my own, but maybe I want to get one that's in the like, maybe that's like a red light sauna space or something that goes along with what I do, that's like in the thing that I am interested in, in life, like I'm already. Brad Crowell 21:23  Or salt path, float, float, yeah, floating, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:27  By the way, there is a float place that I'm sure, is a franchise in Nashville that I'm like, how the fuck do we get it out here in our neighborhood? Because I'm tired of driving 30 minutes to go fucking float, I'm pissed off by the time I get back. Anyways, we just need, I don't know, a few thousands of dollars, and then we can do it, babe. I think, here's where our next adventure is. Brad Crowell 21:45  (inaudible) crazy is you said that, like, a lot of people, will start a franchise with maybe, you know, $50,000 to $100,000 down, and the rest of it is actually from a an SBA loan, because the SBA and the banks believe in the franchise model so much that they are willing to effectively front the rest of the startup capital. And I was like, wow, I never thought about that. That's amazing. Because, and like, you know, $50,000 is still a shitload of money. I understand that. But it also isn't a million dollars, right? Lesley Logan 22:18  And also, like, anyone who wants to start to make legitimate money, you have to stop thinking that $50,000 is a lot of money, start thinking it's possible, that you can get it, that there's a way, because I remember thinking that, oh, my God, it's so much money. And let me tell you the long as you think 50,000 is so much money you're gonna have, it's gonna feel so far away when you start to think like, of course I still have to find $50,000 you, go listen to that podcast we have with the guy with the question marks, I forget his name, anyways, go and find it, but let's just talk about things I loved that he said. Okay, let me get into my notes. He said, you're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And I love this, because so many of the people I meet, they're like, so lucky that you and Brad, like, are married and like, you work together. And our biggest response is, like, not everyone should do what we do. So if you want to be in business for yourself, but not by yourself, instead of working with your partner, why don't you get a partner? And it can be a franchise like, I think that's really cool.Brad Crowell 23:09  And different franchisors offer different support, and that's one of the conversations that that you could have with a person like Jon, where you might be like, hey, I am innately a marketer, but I'm terrible at operations, right? Then he, he might say, okay, well, this franchise, you know, whatever, they can help. Or, or conversely, I hate marketing. I'm really, that's not my jam. I need a franchise that will create the content for me that I can just use to put out there. So they're different, like, corporate offices will do different things for the business to support the franchisee and but, but, but as a as a layman, how am I supposed to know? But Jon gets to see hundreds of franchises. Lesley Logan 23:53  I think that's what's so cool. Is like, if you know your strengths, then you can talk to Jon and figure out, like, what are the different franchises that I'm interested in that are, like, in an area I want to be in, and then, okay, of those, which one matches my strengths and my weaknesses? Because you don't want to have something that's like, great at marketing and you're great at marketing, but like, has the systems are not there for the operations, like things like that, but also the franchiser does a lot for you. And remember, it's a proven business model, so like, it's already figured like, it's already thrown ideas at the wall, figured out what works, and then you just get to rinse and repeat that. And I really, I really like that for people who want to create their own schedule, create their own impact, be part of the community, but are risk-averse, you know? And by the way, I get it, we just.Lesley Logan 24:39  I'm risk-averse, too. Lesley Logan 24:39  Oh my god, you really are. Brad Crowell 24:41  But in a measurable way. But it's like, I wouldn't want to go, just go throw money away and hope, hope that something works. Imagine being able to follow a systematic approach where they figured out all the kinks in the business. Like, like the business that Lesley and I run that we've created, it has taken us a lot longer to get to where we are today. It's literally 10 years now, 10 years of running this business, yeah, 10 years of trying to figure things out, making mistakes, doing all this stuff, when with a franchise model, there are so many less mistakes to make, because hypothetically, they've already made the mistakes for you and figured it out and put together the playbook that you can simply follow the plan, the process, right? I really loved when he talked about business ownership is really hard. It takes a lot of work. And, yeah, that's that's very true, too. And he said, if it was easy, everyone would be a business owner, and what he what so, so, of all the pros that we've been talking about with a franchise model, it still does take a lot of work, and it's it takes focus and and the biggest thing he mentioned was the people who fail don't follow the plan, right? And Jon goes, calls up the franchise corporate office and goes, yo, what happened here? What's going on? And the franchisor said, you know, would say to Jon, well, look, we did everything we could to support this person, but they didn't listen. They just didn't fucking listen, you know. And that doesn't mean that, like, there won't still be challenges, because every single location is different, every market is different, every opportunity. And what I mean that, I mean different franchise model is different, you know. So it still will take work, but you don't have to do it alone, you know. And that that's amazing, you know. So, so anyway, he doesn't sugarcoat franchises but he said it's a lot easier and a lot more predictable. Lesley Logan 26:40  His book, actually, like, talks about, like, like, kind of like, if it's for you, you know, and this is where like, it, for us to follow the rules, right, with you, you have to know, okay, we're gonna do this thing with this company. We're gonna follow their rules, which means I'm gonna hire someone to go follow their rules, because I am unemployable, so I will probably fuck him up, but you have to know that about yourself, you know. Such a cool dude. He also was like, because I told him I have an idea, I still have an idea that I might want to, like happen and make, and franchise and he's like, just give me a call. Run it by me. And I'm like, amazing. I just love how generous people can be. Brad Crowell 27:18  Yeah, yeah. Well, stick around, we're going to talk about how generous Jon is with his Be It Action Items, in just a minute. Brad Crowell 27:25  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jon Ostenson? He said he really encourages people who are interested in franchising or the concept of franchising, to just simply explore, that there's no downside, there's no cost to learn about how it works, what it is, is it even plausible for me? Is this something that I could do while still doing my life? He said it's super free to work with them, which we already talked about at the very beginning of this convo here. FranBridge consulting, his company helps clients navigate and find top available opportunities among over 600 different non-food franchise brands and. Lesley Logan 28:08  We love that. I do not want to deal with food. Brad Crowell 28:10  Well, he's he's not, he's not opposed to food, but it also, apparently, just adds a whole lot more variables in there. Lesley Logan 28:16  I used to work at a coffee shop, and it was small business-owned, and I'm going to tell you right now, it is,.Brad Crowell 28:21  Well, that's different than a franchise, because a franchise is a system, so small business-owned might make things just complicated because they're making shit up.Lesley Logan 28:28  Food, food, there's, like, the things you have to do to prevent rats.Brad Crowell 28:32  Right, there's just a lot more variables when it comes to food. There's also a lot of more licensing and a lot more, like red tape with like, local state government stuff, you know. So anyway, he explained that what I already mentioned is that, how does he get paid? He gets paid by the franchise business, the corporate, right? He, you're not necessarily paying him directly. So, I mean, it seems like an absolute win-win.Lesley Logan 28:57  Just worth having the conversation like there's no, there's no harm in it, you know. Brad Crowell 29:00  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 29:01  So I love that he said, activity breeds activity. Yes. It's like a body in motion, stays in motion. Yesterday, we just got into town, you know, at midnight on Friday night. I guess it's Saturday morning. Anyways, our friend, my she saw me at the gym, and she's like, you're like, the most consistent creature. And I'm like, I don't if I was to not be consistent, like, like, if I used travel as an excuse, I would never be consistent. So activity breeds activity. A body motion stays in motion. Explain, it's the idea he saw play out in his career and life, that whenever he gets off the sidelines he starts moving to Option A or B. That's that, then that's when option C comes out of left field. He says, good things happen when you're in motion. And it's so true. Like, it's so true. You know, even we got sidelined with the fucking Canada thing, we pivoted and kept going. And, like, because we did that, other things happened, that the dominoes kept going. And like, these other opportunities came around. And I think, like. Brad Crowell 29:53  Yeah, we met a whole studio we never would have met. Lesley Logan 29:55  We totally did. Could be a pop-up someday. But at any rate, like, you know, you, you'd be surprised what happens. Too often, we get we get sidelined, and we're like, I'm gonna sit over here. Keep going, take another step. And if you hear, as you hear in the podcast, it says action is the antidote to fear. So anyways, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:16  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:17  Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We love your reviews. Leave us more reviews. I want more reviews. It's my love language. 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Lesley Logan sits down with Jon Ostenson, author of Non-Food Franchising and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, to explore why franchising—especially beyond the food industry—is one of the most underutilized yet powerful paths to entrepreneurship. Jon shares how franchising gives you proven systems, built-in marketing, and a peer network, while also revealing what green flags (and red flags) to look for when evaluating opportunities. You'll walk away seeing franchising in a whole new light—with clarity and confidence.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why franchising can be a faster, safer path to business ownership.The surprising industries thriving in non-food franchising.How semi-passive franchise models allow people to day jobs while building a business.The real numbers behind startup costs, royalties, and profit potential.Green flags and red flags to watch when evaluating franchise opportunities.Episode References/Links:FranBridge Consulting - https://franbridgeconsulting.com/Jon Ostenson on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/Jon Ostenson on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JonOstenson1/Jon Ostenson on Twitter - https://twitter.com/Jon_OstensonJon Ostenson on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@JonOstensonFBCBook: Non-Food Franchising by Jon Ostenson - https://a.co/d/29XayrQGuest Bio:Jon Ostenson is the Founder and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, which ranked 584th on the Inc. 5000 list as one of the fastest-growing companies in America. A former corporate executive and past President of ShelfGenie, Jon has sat on all sides of the franchising table—as franchisor, multi-brand franchisee, and now trusted advisor. Widely recognized as a leading voice in non-food franchising, he has helped thousands of entrepreneurs and investors explore opportunities across industries such as home services, wellness, senior care, and pet care. Jon is also the bestselling author of Non-Food Franchising, a practical guide for building wealth and business ownership without starting from scratch. Through FranBridge, he connects clients with over 600 vetted franchise brands and provides strategic, hands-on support at no cost to the client—helping them step confidently into semi-passive investments or full-time business ownership. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial that want to put their thumbprints all over a business. And you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership.Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe. I have a topic we have never touched. I'm so jazzed about this, I actually found it really, really fascinating. And this year is like my year of being curious and understanding more and more about businesses as our business continues to grow. And so when I met Jon Ostenson, I have so much more knowledge, so much more understanding, so much more excitement and inspiration. And I really wanted to bring this to you, because I know how many of you are like, wanting to make other income, wanting to make more income, one of the questions I get all the time is like, how do I make passive income? How do I have another income stream? I know that managing your money in stocks can be overwhelming, and so I wanted to bring a whole topic to you that I think could be really, really fascinating. So Jon Ostenson is the author of Non-Food Franchising. His company is FranBridge Consulting and so we're gonna talk about franchises. And if you're like, oh, this could be so boring, I promise you, it's anything but boring. It's quite fascinating. Even if you never go into this, you'll actually like, look at franchises and different businesses in a whole different light. And I found it to be really eye opening. And I feel like a lot of my friends should be doing this, and I don't know, maybe, maybe I'll create a portfolio and do this too, but I now have so much more understanding, and I'm really excited for you to have that, because to be it till you see it in anything, the first thing we need is have answers and understanding and also some curiosity in a topic we might not have known anything about. So if you've been wanting to start a business, maybe instead of starting something new, you actually want to franchise and so here is Jon Ostenson. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, I'm really excited. I've read the book by our guest today, and this is a really interesting topic we have never talked about, and I've always been slightly interested in, and now I'm even more intrigued. So Jon Ostenson is our guest today. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at that's so unique, so niche and so wonderfully that we need to talk about it? Jon Ostenson 2:40  Yeah, absolutely, no. Jon Ostenson, here in Atlanta, Georgia, I've got three young kids I chase around on a daily basis, but you know, I spend most of my time helping my clients find the right businesses for them. And so, you know, we work with over 600 different franchise brands, and what I call Non-Food Franchising. So it's all these industries outside of fast food that incorporate franchising. And yeah, it's entirely free to work with us, and I get to help our clients navigate, what are the top opportunities given their background, their interest, what they're looking to do? What are those top available opportunities in their market that can be a fit for them?Lesley Logan 3:11  I so I really, this is, like, really interesting, because first of all, of course, growing up, I only knew like, food franchisers, and I'm just not into cleaning a kitchen. So, like, that was, you know, different. And then also, like, in my industry, there are now, like, franchises in in the Pilates world, but there's always been franchises in the fitness world. And I guess, like, I guess where we could start is, like, wait, why would someone do a franchise versus, like, start their own non-food business, you know, like, what, what would be like, the things that they're thinking about? Because one of the reasons I want to have you on is, we have had a lot of coaches who are entrepreneurial. And I also think, like, not everyone is an entrepreneur, but also I don't want to, like, tell people that, like, I think they need to figure that out for themselves. So why would someone franchise versus start something themselves?Jon Ostenson 3:59  Yeah, great question. And you know, franchising is not right for everyone. I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial, that want to put their thumbprints all over a business, and you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership. You know, you've got a lot of things already in place. You've got a proven business model that's been successful in other markets. You've got a coach on the sidelines in that franchisor that's supporting you and their team. You've got other franchisees that are living the same thing day in, day out, in their markets. You're constantly exchanging best practices. You're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And, you know, being able to step into a business where on day one, the marketing is pretty close to optimized because they know how to run, you know, and the franchisor is doing a lot of that for you. You've got efficiencies and supply chain, and there's just a lot of opportunity that franchising opens up. And what I tell our clients is, hey, you may double down and triple down on franchises and build a whole empire of franchises. A lot of our clients do, or you may decide, hey, after franchising, let's go start my own business. I guarantee you that next business is going to be better for having had that franchise experience and understanding, how do you stand up a business, what are the best practices in the processes that go around it? Lesley Logan 5:09  Yeah, I mean, like, I think that's really cool, because I remember, you know, when I wanted to, first of all, when I became a Pilates instructor, I never thought I'd own a studio, because I worked at a I rented from a studio, and I saw how much stress she was under, and then I worked for a company, high end fitness business, and I got to run a studio for them. And I was like, oh, this is so nice, just to have everyone tell me the budgets, and tell me how much people are getting paid and and do all the do all the math, and then I can just do the thing that I really love. And so in a way, that's kind of like what you're saying, like a franchise is a proven like, it's a business that's already been in existence. It's proven, like, who they're for, what they do, how they market. And so you get to kind of hit the ground already running, in some ways, am I right?Jon Ostenson 5:53  Yeah, you start on third base instead of first. You're not having to test everything now, in exchange, you're paying a royalty back to the franchise or right? And franchising is just like everything. Not every company is created the same. Every industry has got good players. You've got ones that aren't as strong. That's where we come in to help our clients really identify the companies that are providing the most value, that can get them to where they want to be.Lesley Logan 6:13  Yeah. So I guess, then I guess maybe I should have started with, what is a franchise. Maybe I should have started there. And then also, if you can talk about, like, do, do companies that are franchises, they have already been in business before they're selling off businesses, or they they start out that way, like, do you get it on the ground level? Jon Ostenson 6:34  Yeah, well, hopefully they've already proven out the model, at least in one location, if not in multiple locations, you know. And they're well capitalized, they've got a team to support franchisees, but no franchising at its roots, you know, it's really three things. That's, it's a shared brand, we all know that. But then it's, you know, that there's a system, and there's guidance, and there's value being provided from a home office to that franchisee, to that location. The franchisees give me some sort of payment back in the form of a royalty, typically, to that franchisor. So it's really those three things. So there are companies out there that are probably operating as franchises that may not have franchise, but technically, that's what a franchise is. And again, when I say the F word franchise, people think fast food. I mean, that's what comes to mind. But there's so many different industries out there outside of food, and I've got nothing against the food guys. We need them. We support them. But again, there are easier ways to make money that may require less employees, less operating hours, that may carry higher margins because you don't have the food waste, they may be less susceptible to consumer whims. I always say that frozen yogurt was big until it wasn't. Most of our clients are liking opportunities that aren't trendy. They're not going out of style, and they'll always be mainstream.Lesley Logan 7:46  Yeah. Can we talk about like, what are like some of the, what are some of the non-food franchise like, either if you want to name names, or if you want to name like areas of business? Because maybe it would help people to hear like, there, there's actually franchises in an industry they already have experience in. Jon Ostenson 8:01  Yeah, you know. And I'd say 90% of our clients get into something in an industry they don't have experience in. And that's the beauty of franchising, is it allows for those pivots, but you take the transferable skill set. So yeah, examples there, we're seeing a lot of interest, I'd say in the general theme, it's businesses that will do well regardless of the economy, regardless of tariffs, regardless of, you know, other exterior factors. And so it's things that people will always spend money on. So home and property services are a huge area. Health and wellness. McKinsey just came out with a study saying it's now a $480 billion a year industry in the US, growing at 10% so health, you know, wellness, is now mainstream, which I know you would agree with it's categories like kids, pets, seniors again, things that people will always spend money on regardless. And you know, within these there's so many different niches. I mean, I can just, you know, I'm thinking of in-home senior care. We have a lot of clients doing that, but then I've had clients that have been placed there that came back said hey Jon, what's a tangential opportunity that can tag onto this, and I introduced them to one that provides wheelchair ramps and stair lifts and retrofitting within a home, allowing people to age in place. Youth soccer, I've had so many clients do well in youth soccer, tutoring, kids-related, pets, everything from pet grooming to pet boarding to dog training, you know, but. Lesley Logan 9:19  That's crazy, because I would never have thought those things. And also, like, I because we travel around the world. We were talking about that before we hit record, I find myself, like, like, in shock. Sometimes I see a business and I'm like, like, how much did they need to get started? You know? Because, like, what I love about like, like, one of the things that kept me from starting my own studio is, like, just the barrier of entry. I didn't know how to read a lease, I didn't know what kind of insurance I needed to have outside of what the insurance I had as a renter. I didn't know that. And then I had to, like, buy all the equipment, and then it's like, oh, like, literally, my clients came the first like, where's the trash can? I was like, oh, yeah, we need a trash can. Like, you know, you know, right? Like, I was like, I was like, flying by the seat of my pants. But like, what you're saying is, like, I, if I was like, I need a change in my life, or I actually just want to have something that's working alongside what I'm already doing, I can go into another industry, and then they already have the blueprint. So, like, I already know how much it's going to cost me to go all in. I know how much it's going to cost me to run it, and I also have an idea, in theory, at least as I learned this from your book of, like, what I could make off of this investment, which is a little different than stock market, like you think. I mean, we all hope it's going up right now, we're riding a different wave. But, like, but like, you know, so am I right when I say, like, there's like, a nice blueprint there that kind of allows you to know more about what you don't know? Jon Ostenson 10:43  Absolutely. No, you go in and you know, nothing's ever a sure thing, right? I never want to pretend like it is. Business ownership is hard. It takes work. If it was easy, everybody would be a business owner. But franchising does make it a lot easier and a lot more predictable, right? I mean, that's why banks love providing SBA loans to franchises over startups, right? It's just more predictable, and the success rates are obviously a lot higher all the data shows, you know, but I'd say, going in, you know, there's a whole exploration process, and that's where we take our clients through, hold their hand as they're having these conversations with their franchises. You know, learning a lot, asking good questions. They, they get a chance to talk to other franchisees in that system before they ever buy. You know, they get kind of the inside knowledge. They get a franchise disclosure document, which is the history of the franchise and all the information. And to your point, the financials on the all in investment. And you know, there's going to be some variability in there, but it outlines that, and then talks about the historical financial results, what you could expect to make if you execute according to plan. And so you know, you can make disproportionate returns on your investment. Again, because you're, you're putting effort in, right? If it was just thrown in an index fund, you know, you're not going to be able to make, you're going to be capped at what you can make. However, with this, you also get the tax benefit. So it's really a, I call it the trifecta. You're, you're building towards cash returns. You're obviously building an asset that's going to have exit value down the road, and in all likelihood, you'll sell to another franchisee in the system. That's very common. And then third, you get the tax benefits of business ownership. And if you have a W2 job or spouse with a W2 I mean, this could be a great offset. I mean, there's so many levers that the government set up the tax playbook to incentivize business ownership.Lesley Logan 12:19  Yeah, well, one of the reasons why we love being a business owner, I definitely enjoy those. I want to, like, just kind of tap into something, because you talked about, like, being a W2. So realistically, how many people do you know, like, have a job and then have a franchise that's successful? Like, are they overworking? Are they 120-hour work week kind of person? Or, like, is that a normal thing that people can do?Jon Ostenson 12:43  Roughly half of our clients start out with a manager in place. It's what franchising would call semi passive or semi absentee or executive model. I always want to say hey, stop. You know, let's not sugarcoat this. It takes work to stand up a business. You know. I don't want to ever pretend like it doesn't so, you know, it is very doable within a franchise system, because you've got a franchisor and their team supporting that manager that you put in place on a day to day basis, they can answer a lot of the questions and kind of hold their hand. So it takes some of the burden off of you. So much of it your ramp up time and success comes down to who you put in that place. You can have a great vehicle, you still have to have a great driver, so someone that has fire in the belly that you incentivize. You know that's a hard worker. They can make your life very easy, but if it's not the right person, you can find yourself with some headaches and leaning in. So I'd say that is the biggest variable that I see. But I've got so many success stories of clients that have gone that path. I should always want to make sure that they go in eyes wide open, that in the early going especially, it will take work.Lesley Logan 13:43  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I think that's really important. Okay, let's just take, take a step back, Jon, how did you get into doing this? Like, did you, did you always know, like, you would be in franchises? Like, did you fall into franchises? Like, tell us the journey that got you here. Jon Ostenson 13:56  Yeah. You know, like so many of your listeners, I spent many years in the corporate world, and you went to grad school and did all the things you're supposed to do as a W2 and had a great run. But, you know, had that desire, like so many, to be a business owner and to do something more entrepreneurial, and didn't know what it what it looked like. And I really fell into franchising. So about eight years ago, I left the corporate world, assumed the reins of a business called Shelf Genie, which is a large franchise system. I served as their president, supporting our home office and all of our franchisees, and I really fell in love with the franchise model through that experience. And I just saw how so many different backgrounds got involved in a shared system because of the support that we were providing. So long story short, I partnered with the founder of that company. We spun off. We've invested in franchises ourselves. I've continued to invest in franchises on my on my own outside of that, so I've been a franchisor. I am a multi brand franchisee as well, and started the consulting practice about little over six years ago, and now I give it most of my full time focus, and just love helping others connect the dots, because I just hear the same conversations every day. So many people, oftentimes midlife, they're saying gosh, you know, I've looked around. And they all know some business owners, and they see them out playing golf or, you know, going to their kids activities. And they say, there's a little bit of FOMO, right? And, but they say, I don't have that genius idea. I'm a little risk averse. I don't know where to start. That's where I come in and say hey, look at all these other people that have done done this through franchising with similar backgrounds, and here's why it worked for them. So absolutely love helping them. I personally, on the franchisee front, this just shows a little bit of the variety out there. I kind of like home and property services personally. So I've got one business that works on parking lots. It provides asphalt paving and line striping, you know, non sexy need based industry, right? I've got another one, is almost like an equipment rental business. It provides temporary walls like containment walls around renovation projects and construction sites. It's a great B2B business. I've got one that this is kind of more in the health and wellness genre. It's uses 3D printing to provide custom inserts and insoles for shoes, right? It talked about a niche, right? But we cater a little bit to the older population. So I've got it down in Delray, Florida, which is a great market. I've got another one where I'm on the franchisor side, I'm invested that provides custom pull out shelving for your kitchens and pantries and stay at home moms are great for that business. They're great designers. They can work when they want to and go in and be very conversational, and it's just cool that, you know, we're creating a lot of jobs out there and helping a lot of communities.Lesley Logan 16:28  Okay, that is so all of those things, I would not have thought that, like, those are franchises. I guess I just thought, like, some guy in Las Vegas, like, start a business, like, putting fences, you know, and then it's like, but then I do see like, oh, it's a company. And then you're like, how, like, how, who got into, like, having a business in every city that has, like, fences. But now that I'm like, you know, now that the wall been pulled over my eyes, I can under, away from my eyes, I can see like, oh, these are companies that got started, and then they had success, and then they basically created a blueprint that they could sell to other people, and then that's how they spread their wings, because they've got good systems in place. And then people like you, or people like listening are like, Oh, I could do that. I actually, like, I have the funds for that. I like that area, or, you know, I can have the time for that. I just wouldn't have thought that those are those. There's things out there. And I was reading your book, one of the things that we all have to realize is, like, there's a massive population of people who are getting older, and there is not enough like services for them, and so like to be able to get into a franchise that is like servicing those people that they for a necessity they need. It's kind of nice, I guess. I have a question, how much of what you have to do as a franchisee, as far as the marketing goes, like, are you curating the marketing? Does the franchise or that's the parent company, right, like the owner, do they come up with a marketing strategy and you just, like, put it out there. Like, I guess I'm wondering, like, how much of it do you be creative? Because I have a lot of people like, I want to do this, but I hate social media, or I hate writing a newsletter, or I hate doing the the money and the taxes, like, how much does the actual franchisor do for you? Jon Ostenson 18:06  Yeah, it certainly varies, but I'd say in most cases, the franchisor leans in pretty heavy on the marketing side, and that's one of the value adds they're bringing. So they're creating collateral and brand standards and customizing things for you for your location. But you know, typically they have an in house marketing team. They may partner with an outside digital marketing firm that's running all your Google ads and social media ads and such. Oftentimes, they encourage you to get involved on the organic side of social media. So it's, hey, I've got a home show coming up. Hey, look at this great job. We just got a five star review. But again, if you need help with that, most of them are able to lean in pretty heavy, because I do have a lot of clients like you said that they hey, I don't want anything to do with marketing or lead generation. And I, you know, in some cases you have franchises that have national accounts. I mean, that's a great lead generator. In some cases, they have an in house call center that's actually sometimes making outbound calls, or, at a minimum, taking inbound calls, setting appointments for you. So, you know, as you go through the expiration process, you want to say, what, what value is that franchisor providing for the royalty that I'm giving them? And, you know, make sure that there's tangible things that they're doing for you, oftentimes on the marketing side as an example.Lesley Logan 19:11  Yeah, okay, you talked about royalties, I guess, for the person who doesn't understand what that means. What is that? And then what are we what can someone expect on like, maybe not like the best end, but like an average, an average earnings.Jon Ostenson 19:26  Yeah, so I'd say six to 8% royalty typically is common in revenue, and when you look at financial projections of a franchise system, they're always going to net out for that royalty, right? I mean, that's part of the business model. But again, those are oftentimes expenses that you would be paying on your own elsewhere. From an earnings standpoint, well, first off, from an investment standpoint, I mean, we have some clients who are getting into big seven figure deals, but most people like when you look at service-based businesses and you're all in investment, your franchise fee, startup costs, several months of working capital, oftentimes you're in the 150,000 to 300,000 range, all in. And some of our clients are using cash, most like the idea of using an SBA loan, where maybe they put in 50,000 cash and then they use an SBA loan for the balance. Some are using an old 401-K from a previous employer, and rolling that over, which is very doable through what's called the ROBS program. So we help them with all of that. But from an earnings standpoint, it definitely varies. You always want people to take a conservative approach. There are businesses that will start cash flowing as early as three months in. Oftentimes, what you see is maybe six months, six to 12 months, somewhere in that range. Again, we always want to be conservative, but no you can make disproportionate returns. So let's say your all in investment was 200,000 from their businesses out there, where you can conceivably do a million dollars for first year. I mean, there are a good number of those. And oftentimes you're kicking off 15 to 20% to the bottom line. So call it 150 to the bottom line. And you may not get that in year one, but that may be your run rate at the end of year one. So 150 on an investment of 200,000 that's 75%, and then you're doing, you're doing that every year, and you're going to sell that business down the road. So again, but you're putting effort in, right? Lesley Logan 21:01  Right, well, well, and it's like, like, I'm just, like, just forever. I, when I opened up my studio, which was a small studio, I, no, my bank did not give me a loan. I've been in business for so many years, like, look, I make, I make over six figures, and I just want, like, a $40,000 loan. And they like, laughed in my face, so I used a credit card. But it was, the investment was like, $40,000 in equipment, all I had to do, and then obviously my rent and everything. And of course, yes, I, because it was on a credit card, I paid that shit off. But, but like you do only have to, ideally, only buy that equipment one time, right? So there's that. But to to your point, like the money that or time I had to spend on marketing my business, on coming up with the marketing, on testing it out, on doing all that stuff, on also collaborating, also doing the organic, also all that stuff, it starts to go sometimes you're like, it would be nice if someone could take this off. And even if you're like, oh, let's all just hire an agency. Y'all, I have talked to marketing agencies. They are not just 6% like some like, you know, when you think about, like, the marketing agency and the account and the organization and the hiring practices and the onboarding, all that stuff costs money, and so sometimes it's kind of like, it's almost like it's 50% it's 50 one way, 50% one way, half it does another. It's kind of like, if you really want to make your own thing and be your own thing, then go do your own thing, and you'll have all the same expenses. But I can't believe, and I don't know, I can't believe it that an SBA loan would be easier to get if you're in a franchise. But it makes sense, because there's a proven track record from all the other businesses, and the SBA is like, oh, this is like, very risk free. It took us a pandemic to get an SBA loan because they were just giving them away. And then recently, a lovely bank helped us get an SBA loan. But, like, it's not easy when you work for yourself and a non proven kind of a thing to get loans. So it sounds really cool that that would be an option for people. Jon Ostenson 22:51  Yeah, and probably two thirds of our clients use them. We really don't have issues getting them. As long as you have semi decent credit, then you know, they have that confidence in the franchise.Lesley Logan 23:00  That's so cool. That is really cool. Okay, so I guess you know there's, there's probably people going, oh my gosh. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm not confident as a business owner. Do you have to have, like, would you suggest, like, you have to have some sort of management experience, or do you have people who, like, do the franchisers like, support you in leading a team and how to lead the business that you're doing. Or, like, are you having to figure that yourself? Jon Ostenson 23:26  Yeah, there are some franchises where you really don't have to have a team. You know, you can be kind of a solopreneur in a way, or maybe have an assistant. Most of them do involve people. And people always ask me, what, what does it take to be successful in franchising? And really, it's two things. It's one, you're good with people. You don't have to be great, but you have to be someone that people want to work with, work for work. So that's just Business 101, and then secondly, your willingness to follow a system, where I see people get in trouble in franchising is that they come in and they think they're the smartest guy in the room, and they don't have the humility to actually learn from others and to follow a system, even if they have questions. When I was at Shelf Genie, our best franchisees were the ones that followed the system the closest. That sounds so cliche, but it's true. Lesley Logan 24:04  I mean, just being in business myself for 15 years, like, how, like, there are some days I'm like, I just wish there was a fucking blueprint that I could just wake up, follow, like, there's days and I'm like, so I can't imagine, like, not only take advantage of that, but I guess, like, maybe that would be the person who wouldn't be right for franchising, and maybe they shouldn't have gotten into it in the first place.Jon Ostenson 24:29  Yeah, no, I've seen clients do very well within a franchise system, and then, you know, I had a client that didn't do well in it, and the feedback from the franchisor was said, what's going on? Why is it working for them and not for them. You said, we've coached them, we've done everything we can, but they're not willing to follow the system. (inaudible) But certainly, if you have any business experience that you know, those transferable skill sets definitely help and maybe give you a leg up. But I've got plenty of clients, you know, doctors or a big client, mainly clientele of ours, most of them don't have business experience. They may be really, they're like, smart and smarter than their little niche but they don't have that business experience. They love the idea of, they know how to learn, and they're willing to learn, and they're willing to follow the playbook the textbook. Instead, they come in and they say, Hey, we want to flex that intellectual muscle. And most of them are keeping the day job. You know, they've invested too much to walk away from that. But they put a manager in place, and they go out and run a restoration business, or a mobile pet grooming business, something that allows them to flex that intellectual curiosity a little bit.Lesley Logan 25:29  That is so cool. I just think it's so cool, like I was, I never thought about, I'll be really nice, I actually never thought about owning a franchise. I have been wondering and been very curious of like, what if I wanted to open up something that I made into a franchise like that has been on my mind a lot lately, but the more I read your book, the more I'm like, what a cool investment strategy. Like, you know, just to diversify how you're investing for retirement and wealth, and, like, generational wealth. I don't have any kids, but like, it would be cool to have have have another way of having an income stream or or a way of growing wealth without having to, not that it's not work, but also just not rely solely on, like, what my wealth manager is doing with my stocks.Jon Ostenson 26:13  Oh, because so many of our clients do have kids or family members that they plan on bringing in on the business over time and kind of setting an example for them to learn from as well, and of taking a risk, if you will, a calculated risk. But now from an investment standpoint, I'm an all of the above investor. I invest in real estate and energy and the public markets and private credit. I encourage people to do all that. I just think the business ownership can have a unique place in that portfolio, and there's a whole lot of tax benefits and other synergies to come from that. So I'm not against any of those other investments. I just think it's an all of the above approach. And a lot of our clients invest in real estate too, some more actively than others, but there's a lot of synergy between those two, I think, from a mindset standpoint, from a tax advantage standpoint, and then directly from an industry standpoint, a lot of these businesses support real estate.Lesley Logan 27:00  What are some, like, green flags about a franchise, or some red flags, like, what are some things that we would like? You'd be like, oh, this looks really this looks really good. I think a client would do really well with this. And then what are some like, ooh, maybe, maybe watch this one, or don't, don't sign up for that.Jon Ostenson 27:16  You know, certain the brand is more important in certain industries. I mean, certainly, food, hotels, things like that. You know, but in a lot of industries, I think about insulation, that's a $50 billion a year industry, no one can name an installation company, right? And so that's less important. But still, some of these industries, you know, if it's a household name brand, then it's probably sold out in all the good areas of your market, right? And so oftentimes, we find ourselves working with more emerging franchises. You know, they may have five locations, 25 locations, 50 locations. Yes, they haven't been around forever, but they're growing fast. And really, the what I look for there, it's the competitive advantages, it's the financial models got to be very robust, because you have a smaller sample size to look at. You've, you know, the early franchisees have to be saying positive things about their experience. But then a lot of emphasis I put on those companies is the leadership team. I want to see a good blend of industry experience, but also franchise experience represented on that team that's essentially going to be your business partner. So I would say that the people involved on the other end, I can't underestimate that enough. That's something I emphasize with our clients. Let's vet them. Those are the ones that you want to have a good relationship with that are going to be supporting you day in, day out. You know. I would also say, you know, make sure that, if it's an early stage franchise, make sure it's well capitalized. You know, they've got plenty of assets in the bank. I have seen companies, at times, rush into franchising thinking it was their gold mine and they needed to have a pot of gold going in, because it's expensive to franchise, but no, private equity loves franchising, you know, they they invest strategically at the franchisor level very oftentimes, just they love the model and kind of these industries that they play in. There's a lot of smart money getting involved. But I always encourage people, you know, and that's why we set up our exploration process the way we did. And, you know, I'm essentially a real estate broker buffer franchises, and so I help our clients understand what's going on behind the scenes, how to think about this, the questions to ask, provide them with a lot of resources, and then we simply get a referral fee from the franchise brand on the back end when a placement happens, like a real estate model, you've got the seller, and none of that's passed on (inaudible).Lesley Logan 29:17  So that's why you're free. Because, like, I couldn't believe it. I was reading the book, and I was like, because to me, you know, one of the one of the big hurdles for a lot of people is like hiring a coach to help them make the best decisions. You have to have the money for that and hope that it works, but to work with you, you know, it's just free for for the person wanting to work with you. So like, you get paid because the franchise company pays you like a real estate so, got it. Jon Ostenson 29:40  For them, it's a sales and marketing expense. None of that's passed on to our clients at all. So you know, whether they go directly to a brand or go through us, they're paying the same franchise fee. So it's a nice, it's really a great model, and, yeah, we're able to help a lot of people through it. Lesley Logan 29:58  That is so cool. Yeah. I mean, so you did this six years ago. Okay, so you started right before everything shut down. Like, can we just go back? Was it, what was the be it till you see it, or what would, like, the things you had to do? Because, like, my goodness, during that time, a lot of franchises could be open. A lot of franchises had, like, limitations. Did you worry that, like, this was going to all, like, be affected negatively. Like, did you see the light at the end of the tunnel? Tell me about it. Jon Ostenson 30:25  Yeah, you know, just like everything, we're all questioning what's going on there for a few weeks, but then as soon as the dust settled, I mean, the franchise deals started happening again, and people started jumping back in. They said, I want something that I can be in control of, and I really don't want to go back to the office. I really, you know, a lot of people took time to think about what they wanted to be until they saw, you know, and they said, you know, that's the time a lot of introspection, which led to a lot of people saying, maybe now's the time. If I don't jump now, when am I ever going to do it? So, you know, there's a lag effect. Some of those late adopters I'm still having calls with now. They're like, I've been thinking about this for years, and most of them are realizing there's never a perfect time to jump into business ownership. But, you know, good number of them realize, hey, now's as good of a time as ever, as ever. And yeah, for me, you know, I love what I do. I've had teams in the past of, you know, 50 employees, and you know, I can do that, but that's not what I love doing. What I love doing is working with clients. I love strategy. I love seeing business models being out there at the tip of the spear, and so I've really structured my business now. I had that vision early on that, hey, I'm going to play to my strengths and how I want to spend my time, and that's what I've built. So yeah, love our model and how I get to help people and engage with clients all day.Lesley Logan 31:35  Yeah, so in that because, like, we talked to a lot of people get really passionate. And I think what, especially when I work with studio owners, like, sometimes their passion becomes like a prison because they like, stop taking care of themselves to like, do their passion like, how do you prioritize yourself so that you can have the mindset and the wherewithal to help the people that you like to help?Jon Ostenson 31:54  Yeah, I'm probably one of the more intentional people that you'll meet in that regard. You know, I think through things in the area of five domains, you know, faith, family and relationships, but then also finances, fitness and franchising. So my 5F framework, if you will, you know, but I'm constantly evaluating and balancing, you know, how my day is spent in each of those so, you know, work out on the fitness side. You know, the trainer a couple times a week, and got my infrared sauna and cold plunge and red light and all that here in the office. And, you know, coach my kids teams, you know, teach their Sunday school. You know, try to balance everything and very blessed, very thankful for what I get to do, and that allows me to do the other things I want to do. And I will say I'm the hardest boss I've ever had. You know, business ownership isn't easy. I work myself hard, but there's so much flexibility, and I'm just thankful. I pinch myself every day having had a W2 job for many years, I could, can never imagine doing that again.Lesley Logan 32:48  Yeah, I understand that. Okay, this is a really, like personal story we had. Our health insurance company is contracted with another company. Maybe it's a franchise that, like, comes to your house to, like, do, like, your physical, which is, like, just the meetup, just the heart, the lungs, just the blood pressure, and then, like, talk to you about, like, what doctors you want to see this year. And the whole time I was like, this feels like a scam. Are you casing the joint? Like, what are? What are? I'm like, I feel like this, this is too good to be true. And then they left and my husband are just like, let's just pretend it's not a scam. How lucky are we that we could set aside the time in the middle of a workday at our home to, like, take care of our health, and then, like, go back to doing the things we love everyday. Working for yourself is, like, the hardest thing, even if you work for yourself, for your own franchise, like they're running a business is, you know, there's only so many days where there's not an obstacle. You're like, what the fuck just happened there? But when you are realizing it's all part of the plan that you set out, like when you actually got what you wanted, it is worth pinching yourself. So I love that. Thank you for sharing that. And I also we second y'all red lights, cold plunges like, work out, move your body. It makes running your business, whatever that is, so much easier.Jon Ostenson 34:07  Absolutely, absolutely, no, fully agree. Lesley Logan 34:09  What are you most excited about right now? And like, it can be like in the franchise world, or it can be in like, in your business. Like, what are you most excited about right now? Jon Ostenson 34:16  Yeah, you know, I I practice what I preach, and I love just trying new things and then bringing them to my clients. So for me, I've got my consulting practice, and then I've got all these franchises and other investments in a holding company, and I'm just, this is the nerd side of me. I'm just realizing all these different tax plays and alternative investments and how they can work together, and I'm bringing in the best of the best advisors, and, you know, really trying to level up. That was my theme last year, was level up. I'm like, am I with the best bank out there? Am I with the best concierge doctor? Am I with the best financial advisor? I identified 25 different areas, and this took time by one by one, leveled up in each of those. And said, if I'm not working with best in class, why not? And so I'm just thinking through that lens, and I think it's helping our clients to just kind of say, you know, let's get off the sidelines. Let's just forget the status quo. Like, how do we level up and get better? And you know, whether it be personally or those that we work with in every area.Lesley Logan 35:11  That's so cool. Thank you for sharing that. Because I, I think it's really easy to just keep doing the same thing, and you're like, well, this works and this works. And like, going back to that the bank that gave us SBA loan, I told my husband, I was like, well, why aren't we working with that bank? Like, why is that is not our bank? Because our bank certainly didn't help us. So why are we not with that bank? And it was like, one tiny thing, and I'm like, can we figure out a way around that one time? This seems so stupid. I want to work with a bank that's going to give me money whenever I want it. That's why, why I have a bank. It's not like they're getting interest. I'm not making any money off them. So I so I find, like, it's, it's effort to go through and figure out what that is. And then there's that change, which most people don't like, but then it's like, but then you have, like, the best of the best. So, you know, I think that's really cool.Jon Ostenson 36:01  Yeah, absolutely, you know, unfortunately, I've got the best wife, so I'm not up leveling there.Lesley Logan 36:06  That's good to know. That's good to know. Shout out to her. Okay, is there anything I didn't ask you, because this is a new topic for me, so I really want to make sure that, like, we covered all the bases that you think we needed to. Is there anything to ask you about franchising and getting into it that you want to share with us today. Jon Ostenson 36:22  Yeah, you know, I think we really hit a lot of the hot topics. You know, we're seeing more interest than we've ever seen. I think, for a variety of reasons, our biggest challenge is not lead flow, it's, it's, you know, just the opportunities. They move so fast in good markets. So I would encourage people, if anyone has an interest in exploring, there's no downside, there's no cost. I just hear testimonial after testimonial of franchising wasn't on my radar. I was looking at existing businesses. And actually, that's a good topic. A lot of our clients say hey, we've been looking for an existing business. Here's what I hear. We've been looking for four years, five years, six years. We've been under LOI, letter of intent for five companies, six companies, due diligence didn't shake out someone else outbid us. We uncovered this. And due diligence over and over again, and then they come around to franchising. They say, wait a minute, I can get into franchising without having to pay the premium of an existing business, without having to have the risk of change in ownership. I mean, you're going to lose some key employees. That just happens when you have a change in ownership. And there's so many people out there looking because you have all these talking heads on social media saying, hey, buy a business and then build it. It's like, what was the franchise system? Buy a proven model, but put your thumbprints on it from day one, and build the culture the way you want it. So I'd say that was one thing I wanted to add that just came to mind.Lesley Logan 37:36  I'm glad you brought that up, because we first, like, I work with a lot of business owners who are like, I want to sell my studio. They want to sell their business. And I'm always like, okay, well, what can we sell? Because if you are the main person, not much to sell, babe. So we have to, like, do all this work to make the business sellable. And, and I was like, and I really wish that someone had told you have to think about the exit in mind. Because you have to think about the exit in mind when you start anything everyone, but I do think that there's a lot of people in, oh, I'll just buy this one because I've seen how good it is. I like going there. And so we have this, like, almost like, attachment, but it's true, like, even if people like you, they might still leave, because people don't like change.Jon Ostenson 38:17  Yeah, and you paid a premium thinking nothing was going to change, right? So, you know, that's one of the things I love about franchising, too, is that exit in mind when you start in the beginning again, most franchises, you're not going to find many good franchise resales out there on the market, because any opportunity that's worth buying is going to be bought by another franchisee in that system, that internal M and A, as I call it, mergers and acquisitions, where franchisees buy each other's businesses, which allows for exits and allows others to expand. That's so, so common. I've got so many clients have done, I've personally done it just again, when you think about the end in mind.Lesley Logan 38:52  Yeah, okay, we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can work with you, do a call with you and see if this is what's in it for them. Lesley Logan 39:02  All right, Jon, how do people like, it's free, so they could just, like, chat with you and just see if, like, this is a good idea for them, right? Like, that's how they can work with you. How do they find you?Jon Ostenson 39:10  Yeah, come out to our website, franbridgeconsulting.com F-R-A-N bridge consulting dot com you know, share your email address. I'll send you a free digital copy of our book, Non-Food Franchising, which is a great primer to kind of get the juices flowing and help you connect the dots on franchising. And yeah, more than happy to jump on a call, just to indicate that interest when we reach out to you, and we'll jump on a 20-25, minute call, and I can give you some thoughts and get to know you a little bit better, and we can go from there. So again, entirely free to work with us. Certainly if you want to follow on LinkedIn, I put out content most days on LinkedIn. So that could be another place to find me. Lesley Logan 39:42  Oh, that's cool. LinkedIn a place that I keep saying I'm going to start printing thumbprint on. And I go in there and I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. So maybe in a maybe in a future year. You guys, I did read the book. I'm telling you, it was an it's a great read, and it really helped. It will. I think if it's for you, you'll know by reading the book, and if it's not for you, you'll know by reading the book. And I think that that's really cool. And also I just really, one of the things I'm really intentional about is like we have so many listeners, and I really want people to have I think freedom to make decisions is one of the most important ways you can be it till you see it. And having an, a way of making an income that works for you is one of the best things I could give to you guys as listeners. So thank you so much for being here. Before I let you go, Jon, you've given us so much already, but we love to give our listeners some bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Jon Ostenson 40:35  Yeah, you know, I would say, here's a quote, activity breeds activity, and it's the idea. I've just seen this play out in my career, in my life. Whenever I get off the couch, off the sidelines, I start moving towards Option A or Option B. That's when option C comes out of left field. And so I think good things happen when you're in motion. That idea of activity breeding other activity. Oftentimes you don't know what's coming, but you stay active, it comes.Lesley Logan 40:55  So good. It's so good. It kind of like, ladies, my Pilates lovers, it's like a body in motion stays in motion, like it's like that, but also like we had someone else say, like, I'm, everything is everything. And when you never know what, going out and talking to someone could turn into, my husband talks to everyone at every party, and I I'm so thankful for him, because I can talk to like, five people at a party, and then I'm like, okay, that's good. I'm good. Like, but he and, you know what, we've needed some of those people. He's like, oh, there's this guy I talked to at this place and, like, so, and you just never know what those connections are. So that's a great Be It Action Item. Thank you so much, Jon. Jon Ostenson, everyone. You can get his book, go to franbridgeconsulting.com. Perfect. Go there. We'll have the link in the show notes. And, you know, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. If you had a friend who's like, I need something different, I need to change. I need a new job, like this might be the exact thing they need. And then you get to be part of that. How cool is that? So thank you, Jon. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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