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Bob Kopp's academic roots lie in the realms of paleoclimate, paleobiology, and ecology. But, inspired by a legacy of public service passed down from his parents, he soon gravitated towards areas where science meets actionable change. Over the course of his career, he has learned to master the dance of blending use-inspired, policy-oriented research with traditional academia.Today, Bob is a professor in the Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences at Rutgers University, but that role is just one of many hats he wears: He is also Co-Director of the University Office of Climate Action, and he directs the Megalopolitan Coastal Transformation Hub. And as if that weren't enough, he is also a driving force behind the Climate Impacts Lab. This consortium has pioneered an integrated assessment model, which now influences the EPA's estimates of the social cost of carbon—an important metric for assessing climate impacts of federal policies.As Adam and Bob delve into their conversation, they traverse the challenges and rewards of Bob's diverse career—from his enriching interdisciplinary postdoc to the Department of Energy, and even to the challenges of today's climate policy in the US. They touch upon the setbacks, like the Waxman-Markey act's failure, as well as on milestones such as the Inflation Reduction Act.They also talk about the difficulty and obstacles in doing policy-oriented research while remaining viable as an academic (something that Bob has managed to do to a remarkable degree), and about the importance and undervaluation of boundary workers:"In this case, the boundary is between researchers who have the science, and policymakers or community members who have decisions they're trying to make, […] like how high we should require houses to be built. You can look at [this problem] from the perspective of the municipal government, or you can look at it from the perspective of sea level scientists. But [...] you need people in the middle who [...] are fluent talking to scientists and who are fluent talking to non-scientists. And who are helping helping the two of them have discussions that can inform the decisions and shape the science that is done."The interview with Bob was recorded in December 2022. Image credit: Rutgers UniversityBob's website at Rutgers University, and his personal website
States are central to climate and energy policy. After the failure of the Waxman-Markey climate bill in 2010, states carried the torch of climate policy during the long decade that Democrats were locked out of majority power in Washington, DC. Now that Dems have actually passed some federal policy — and they are unlikely to pass any more anytime soon — states are once again in the spotlight, tasked with implementing that legislation to maximize its effect.This raises the obvious question of whether states have the administrative capacity — the people, institutions, time, and money — necessary to implement ambitious federal legislation competently.They do not, says Sam Ricketts, but they could, and there are federal programs that can help them get there.Nobody is better positioned than Ricketts to address the issue of state readiness. He played a key role in Jay Inslee's pathbreaking presidential campaign, which was built off of successful policies in Washington and other states. Then, as senior strategist for Evergreen Action, a nonprofit he founded with other Inslee veterans, he helped shape the ambitious trio of bills the Democrats have passed in the last year and a half: the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, the CHIPS act, and the Inflation Reduction Act (or as advocates fondly refer to them, Uncles Bill, Chip, and Ira). Now he's working with Evergreen and the Center for American Progress to educate and prepare state and local lawmakers for the post-IRA world.I've known Ricketts for years, and there's nobody who better balances detailed knowledge of policy with a practical head for advocacy and activism. I'm excited to talk to him about the crucial role states will play in coming years, the kind of administrative capacity they will need, and the types of federal programs that can fund their capacity building. Get full access to Volts at www.volts.wtf/subscribe
It's Casual Friday! Sam speaks with David Dayen, executive editor at the American Prospect, to break down the week in news. Then, Sam and Emma are joined by Francesca Fiorentini, host of The Bitchuation Room podcast! Sam and Emma first run through updates on Hurricane Ian's path of devastation, leaving millions of Floridians without power, the passing of a continuing resolution, Pelosi's poison pill on the stock trading ban, and updates on the Pentagon's funding of Ukraine. David Dayen then joins as he gets right into his recent piece breaking down the legislative process that led us to the passing of the Inflation Reduction Act, starting with the Democrats packing their entire agenda into Biden's Build Back Better plan, only for it to get widdled and widdled down into the Manchin-endorsed IRA. They parse through the unifying factors of the policies that made it through the process, looking at how their longer pedigree and presence in Congress and consultant spheres separated them from other (but largely as pressing) policies, making it incredibly difficult to govern for the present when any potential legislation must have been building up for decades, before looking to what got left on the cutting room floor, with childcare, education, college, housing, and child poverty all remaining unaddressed. After summarizing the central elements of the IRA (climate change policy, prescription drug pricing, and general tax reform), Dayen walks through the story of these policy initiatives, with the climate policy stemming from discussions at the beginning of Manchin's reign in the senate between him and Ron Wyden and evolving in the wake of the failures of the Waxman-Markey bill under Obama, also exploring the history behind prescription drug pricing and touching on the role of the 2020 Primaries as a rolling thinktank for much of this policy, before wrapping up with the history the wealth taxes and the importance of introducing legislation (even if it isn't ready to pass). And in the Fun Half: Sam and Emma are joined by Francesca Fiorentini of the Bitchuation Room as they dive into a new right-wing dating app where Sam can find the AnCap of his dreams, the reactions of Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and the likes to seeing a talented classical (Black) musician dance with a flute, and the continued horror stories coming from the Right's crackdown on reproductive rights. They also discuss the Student Debt Relief lawsuits coming from the right, the state of Putin's failing invasion, plus, your IMs! Check out David's piece at the Prospect here: https://prospect.org/politics/how-policy-got-done-in-2022/ Check out the Bitchuation Room here: https://www.youtube.com/franifio Become a member at JoinTheMajorityReport.com: https://fans.fm/majority/join Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! http://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: http://majority.fm/app Check out today's sponsors: Sunset Lake CBD: sunsetlakecbd is a majority employee owned farm in Vermont, producing 100% pesticide free CBD products. Great company, great product and fans of the show! Use code Leftisbest and get 20% off at http://www.sunsetlakecbd.com. Quip: Quip gets your smile ready, making good habits easy with all the essentials you need to care for your mouth. The quip Electric Toothbrush uses timed vibrations with 30-second pulses to guide a dentist-recommended two-minute clean. It's loved by over SEVEN MILLION mouths. You can even upgrade with a NEW Smart Motor to track and improve your brushing AND earn sweet rewards. If you go to getquip.com/majority RIGHT NOW, you'll get your first refill FREE. Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattBinder @MattLech @BF1nn @BradKAlsop Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on Youtube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Subscribe to Discourse Blog, a newsletter and website for progressive essays and related fun partly run by AM Quickie writer Jack Crosbie. https://discourseblog.com/ Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com/ The Majority Report with Sam Seder - https://majorityreportradio.com/
It's our 200th episode with David Roberts on the day the Inflation Reduction Act is signed into law! This is a very special one for us. One of our favorite guests, who was very cool to us early on when we were just getting started, is back to the talk about the biggest climate legislation in US history. Roberts is a longtime climate/energy writer that now runs the newsletter/podcast Volts, about clean energy and politics. He joins the show to unpack the Inflation Reduction Act, what he thinks will be the major benefits of the bill, how Democrats got the biggest investment in US climate history passed, how this compares to the Waxman-Markey failure, and what happens to the climate movement next. You can subscribe to Volts here. Subscribe to our Substack newsletter "The Climate Weekly": https://theclimateweekly.substack.com/ As always, follow us @climatepod on Twitter and email us at theclimatepod@gmail.com. Our music is "Gotta Get Up" by The Passion Hifi, check out his music at thepassionhifi.com. Rate, review and subscribe to this podcast on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, and more! Subscribe to our new YouTube channel! Join our Facebook group. Check out our updated website!
Today we are pleased to have join us, Andrew Savage, a founding member of Lime and currently serving as their VP of Sustainability. Lime is now the world's largest shared micromobility company operating in over 200 markets worldwide and having raised over $1B in capital and have announced plans for an IPO this year. Andrew is an experienced leader at the intersection of business, government, and sustainability. A founding member at Lime, he led new market development, government relations, and policy strategy, helping the company expand globally. He now leads Lime's sustainability strategy. Prior to Lime, Andrew served on the executive team of an Inc. 500 solar company and served on the Board of Directors to the U.S. solar industry's national trade association. Prior he worked in the U.S. Congress and on President Barack Obama's presidential campaign. He is a graduate of Middlebury College, mentor at Harvard's iLab, and advises several sustainability start-ups. Andrew and I talk about the future of micro-mobility, decarbonization, policy, and more. Show Notes: Be sure to visit: Lime Social Media: LinkedIn Twitter Transcript: Seth Cysewski: Andrew, thank you so much for joining us here today. I appreciate it. So you grew up in rural Vermont. Can you tell me what that was like and how that laid the groundwork for your career and sustainability? Andrew Savage: It's great to be with you. Thanks. Yeah, I mean it was a pretty amazing place to gain an appreciation for the environment in a really sort of organic way. I mean I lived in a very rural town with 2 parents that essentially used our hundred acres to get by and not in the sense that we needed the land to, you know, make a living, but they just used it for everything it was worth. My mom had a huge garden where she'd grow things that we would eat year-round. We would gather firewood for the winter, and I'll tell you, you know, when I did the math of how many times you actually touch a piece of firewood before it goes actually in the furnace, it's amazing, it's like 9 times. You know you're cutting it down. You're throwing in the truck you're driving it up the hill. You're unloading it. You're putting it in a wagon. You're you know, putting in a pile in the basement, then you're stacking, and then finally you're putting it in. And then you know, in the fireplace or in the the the furnace. It's amazing. You actually really then know and think about what conservation means, and what, you know, turning the thermostat up and down means you get a real appreciation for the environment that you live in and it was just a real amazing community where we were close to neighbors and neighbors relied on neighbors which I think has a real deep interplay with sustainability as well. Seth Cysewski: Sure. Was there any specific moment, maybe like in your life or in your career early on, that really pivoted you or set your core focus on sustainability going forward? Andrew Savage: Yeah, I mean, I think back. Certainly, with that sort of environmental ethic as a foundation from growing up in that kind of an environment, I think when I first went to Middlebury College, which has one of the oldest or the oldest environmental studies programs in the country. Seth Cysewski: What was that? Andrew Savage: I heard a physics professor of all things, and I'm not a scientist by any means, but I heard a physics professor sharing the latest on climate science, and you know, he was sharing about the IPCC reports, and it totally blew me away, and I think the experience there and through that you know, program at Middlebury, it allowed me to sort of connect the sort of land ethic if you will environmental ethic that I've grown up with to an academic sense, and that's where I studied political science and really got a sense of all right, How do you take something you care about something you know could be a personal mission and apply it to a professional setting? So it was really quite formative and really motivated me to dive into the world of both politics and the environment. Seth Cysewski: That's great. Can you tell me more about Middleberry college. I believe you met Bill McKibben there. Could you tell us about Bill? Andrew Savage: Sure. Yeah, I mean there is a funny story there. So he was a cross country ski racer in college, and he had written a book called Long Distance about essentially training to be a pro. He trained like he was a professional ski racer year-round as well as sort of sharing a bit about his personal experience with the loss of a father and sort of, you know to his own health and the declining health of a parent and my dad had given it to me for Christmas present. And I read it and was intrigued. I was a skier, and suddenly Bill had become a scholar in residence at Middlebury, and I knew nothing about his environmental creds and obviously, as you know by asking that question. You know he's one of the world's leading climate activists. I knew enough, little enough about him that I had the hubris to call him up and ask him if he wanted to go for a run because why would I not. He'd just written a book about cross country skiing and my roommate at the time was far more read than I was and more academic than I was and knew a lot more than I did was like are you kidding that you just called Bill up for a run. And I did, and a friendship was born. He started coming to practices with us when we had sort of bring a friend day, and to this day, he remains an incredible mentor to me. He's about as magnanimous a person as I've ever met. He ended up being the officiant at my wife and my wedding. Seth Cysewski: Wow. Andrew Savage: And doing wonderful jobs, so he is, you know he's one of those people whom you know the bar is really high with Bill because he is such an incredible presence in the climate movement but has also remained a really wonderful ally and advisor and someone I aspire to. Um, you know, sort of fulfill a certain mission in life as well. Seth Cysewski: That's a great story. Thank you for sharing. So you mentioned something about being the intersection of politics and sustainability and so you have quite an interesting and diverse background. Can you tell me more about your time in politics and specifically you used to work for Congressman Peter Welch, I believe, and you led an effort to have him or make him the first carbon-neutral member of Congress. I would love to hear more about that, and I think there might even be a story in there about Nancy Pelosi's office and whatnot. I'm going to let you talk to me about politics. Andrew Savage: Yeah, sure. So as I mentioned, I studied environmental studies and political science and college and really jumped right into the political environment first with Howard Dean's presidential campaign and later in Vermont politics where Peter Welch was a congressional candidate a few years into my working with him and we won the race, and we were joining essentially a freshman class in Congress of a ton of new members. It was when the Democrats took back control of Congress Nancy Pelosi was speaker of the house and when you are. Ah, fresher member of Congress, and you're from a state like Vermont, which on its face is not necessarily always the most competitive congressional race. We had a competitive race just based on the candidates that were in the race; you were about as low as they get fresh and member non-competitive race. You're not going to get anything from anyone. You really got to be scrappy about how you position yourself, and you sort of navigate the world of Washington DC and um you know usually when you're a staff person in Congress you let the member take all the credit they wrote the bill they did all over I will take a little bit of credit for this crazy idea that then the congressman was very receptive to. I was out roller skiing of all things exercising before we were all moved down to Washington DC and had this crazy idea out of my work at Middlebury College of all places of carbon neutrality and how could we make Congressman Welch's office the first carbon-neutral office in the country and looked it up. It didn't seem like anyone had done it. We hatched a plan using, you know, then carbon offsets now. Obviously, we can have a chat about whether carbon offsets are a good thing or a bad thing and how they play into the sustainability movement, but at the time, it was a real statement around addressing your carbon footprint as best you could. You know the member of Congress flies back and forth to and from Washington DC to the home office. That's just a necessity of the job and so had this idea that Congressman Welch was extremely receptive so three weeks into to taking office. He's holding a press conference in the small Longworth house office building Boston Globe shows up the hill newspaper shows up a whole bunch of other DC papers and reporters and we got great coverage and but literally within hours of doing this Nancy Pelosi's office calls up says "How'd you do this? What'd you do? We're super intrigued in this" and that gave him a real opportunity to be talking about issues of energy the environment carbon and a year and a half later an appointment to the energy and commerce committee where he had a seat on a committee that would lead to you know writing Waxman-Markey the only climate real climate change bill that's come through Congress in ever really, you know, so it was an example where you know a small thing on the sustainability front can lead to you know much more impactful opportunities and I think was you know informative of a way that a small idea could actually you know catalyze something that could lead to something much greater. Seth Cysewski: I love the way that that demonstrates that's the ripple effect, right? Andrew Savage: Yeah, you know and and ultimately what just to route out the story I didn't share why speaker Pelosi's office was so interested they were interested in a greening the capitol initiative and so over the coming months develop their own How do we decarbonize the US Capitol and and and provide a leadership role for the speaker's office and in democratic leadership in general on Capitol Hill which I think that if you put in the front of the minds of you know dozens and dozens or hundreds of members of Congress is a really important thing for driving at least the hope for policy change that we need to address the climate crisis we face. Seth Cysewski: So leading by example and then like creating a conversation, right? Andrew Savage: Absolutely. You got to start somewhere, and in many ways often people are too reluctant to take a step, so they take no steps, but you know we you just don't get anywhere that way, and you got us keep moving the ball down the field, or we won't make any progress on anything. Seth Cysewski: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more on that all right? So maybe let's dive in how did you end up at Lime. What are you doing? Andrew Savage: Yeah, I mean, what am I doing? That's a good question. So I had spent 6 years after the work in Congress in the renewable energy space at a solar manufacturer that was also developing renewable energy projects, and so had spent quite a lot of time including work while I was on the board of SEIA the National Solar Industry Association talking about the electrification of everything so here we are in the renewable energy and solar space talking about how the future, transportation, homes, everything is going to be electrified and as it came to a juncture in my career with with that company and both personally and professionally we were looking to make a move west I ended up just having some conversations and connecting with with Toby and Brad who are at the time thinking about this idea of dockless bike sharing bike sharing had become very popular in Asia in particular in China where the combination of reliable GPS with ubiquitously available smartphones allowed people to rent bikes on the fly pretty much anywhere by scanning a QR code and you know having automatic payments and so the idea was to bring that service and technology to initially the United States and so we had some conversations, and ultimately at the time of the founding I hopped on board as one of the members of the founding team and was there to essentially help the company lead our policy and market development at a time when nobody really knew what dockless bikes were or how to regulate them so it was a really pretty fascinating and interesting professional experience of being able to bring a whole different set of sustainability objectives to in this case, the transportation sector with ultimately electric bikes and now e-scooters at the company. Seth Cysewski: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that because since you were on the founding team so it started with just ah, a real small group of individuals and now you have over 500 employees. You guys have raised over $1 Billion in capital you announced that you guys are going to be filing for an IPO later this year. So, you are very large; what is the growth in the maturity of the company been like for you, and then maybe how have your how or what have your objectives like how have they changed or your or your role changed since maybe you started to today. Andrew Savage: I mean, I know you have a young child or children. Yeah, okay, well I know you have a young child at home. So this might resonate with you, I do as well. I feel like the journey of Lime is much like raising a small child where every four months every six months, it morphs and grows in a different way that you couldn't have imagined prior to that experience, and I would say that every quarter or every half year at Lime over the last five years has really felt like a different company because we've had a different objective. We've had a different team. We've had just a real evolving growth. I mean it was truly hyper-growth at the time people were coming to us from very fast-growing companies saying we cannot believe at the pace that this company is growing and that was just the nature of the industry, the nature of of the times but also the nature of of the adoption of the service that that it's one of those things where once you built it once you put it out in the market. The interest and the utilization was so high that it only started booing more growth. So it allowed us to raise money. It allowed us to hire. You know, to go from 5 to 500 plus employees allowed us to expand you know to now over 200 markets globally allowed us to offer new products to go from offering an e-bike and bikes to an e-scooter. So you know, in many ways, it's just been a constant evolution of what do we do now to continue to grow this company. How to build a better business, a more sustainable business. Both sustainable in the environmental sense, but also on the economic sense have a company that makes money so that it can truly be an enduring service and have a long-term sustainable benefit and, you know, I think what's interesting is we',ve been able to deliver on all that. I think as we've done that been able to grow out a much more robust sustainability mission as well. Seth Cysewski: Can you talk to me a little bit about the sustainability mission? Maybe where it got started and how it's played out until now, and where you're at maybe right now with it? Andrew Savage: For sure. So you know when we started the company, you know, clearly we had among our goals the environmental impact goal. I mean we had we had objectives around equity in serving cities and helping you know. Sort of the last mile and the first mile of transportation in cities, which had always vexed city leaders and policymakers and even those who deliver a service like public transportation. So our goal was really to help deliver a better transportation service, and you know a lot of people ask well did you guys start with such a strong sustainability environmental ethic or practice and I think the candid answer is not as much as we would have liked. It was more survival right? When you are starting a company, especially in a competitive space. You know you'd love to be doing all the nice stuff that fits the mission, but survival was the most important thing because if you don't survive, then how are you going to deliver on a much more robust or bigger mission and so I would say that over the last several years, we've really been able to, you know, meet that sort of test of durability. Are we going to be a service that will be around in 10 years and add in layers of sustainability that have helped us enhance the mission? I spent the first two years at Lime leading all of our policy government relations at around that juncture. I shifted roles to lead sustainability for the company and it was in part because I felt like it was so important to our key stakeholders. Our cities who give us the green light or red light to operate our riders who want to see us living by our mission, and there were so many opportunities for us to lead on sustainability, so to your question, we really started with some of the basic stuff we were offering and like you know, electric service scooters and bikes. We thought, well let's commit to renewable energy for all that electricity. You know, let's start where it matters most, and so we did that, and that was the first. Many things that we've done since then to enhance our sustainability mission I think the thing that I'm most proud at the highest level that we've done is we have a really ambitious Science Based Target we're going to be Net Zero by 2030 we have a 1.5°c aligned target aligned with the Paris Climate Accord and the reason that I'm proud of it. But even though we haven't achieved it, of course that's something that's, you know, now eight years away, is that it really sets the company up to orient around. It's a goal that matters most to this company that if we're going to deliver on our promise around decarbonizing transportation. We need to look within and decarbonize our business as well, and that's something that has allowed the entire company to rally around. It's an objective that that. Many people come to the company for, and it gives us a real anchoring point to make the changes that we need to make internally to decarbonize Lime and thus have an ah have a shot as an industry of decarbonizing transportation as a whole. Seth Cysewski: You mentioned earlier about electrifying everything and you know you guys being a primarily electric-based service and talking about decarbonization right now. What do you guys see, or what do you see as your primary challenges that maybe you're directly or indirectly facing or working to address at Lime right now around that? Andrew Savage: Yeah, I think, you know in our aspiration to meet the Science Based Target and to be a Net Zero company, you know, we're looking throughout the business from how our product is made to how it's served in markets to its end of life. And so what we're doing is rolling up our sleeves and looking at throughout the life cycle of a Lime scooter or a Lime bike. What can we do to improve the environmental footprint of the service that we provide, so we are looking at everything from the materials that go into our scooter and bike and how it's designed in markets. How are we operating the service so we have recently introduced swappable batteries, which means that instead of having to bring a vehicle from a city to the city streets back to a warehouse to charge the vehicle, we could actually swap in a fully charged battery reducing the amount of transportation by half right? Because you're making one trip instead of 2, or actually, it could be even longer depending on sort of the routes that you take in bringing the vehicles back and then redeploying them. And so there are things like that that we can do to help decarbonize the business and and we are doing and we're also thinking about our what kind of fleet. Do we use to operate the programs in cities that we serve so electrifying our e-van our vans into e-vans, and so, also think about things like second life if we have batteries that are no longer usable for mobility moving people around. How can we use those batteries for a second life that adds some purpose to them so they're having to be recycled, which would ultimately be what we would do with the material? An example of that is we have a really exciting partnership with a company called Gomi out of the UK, and they have taken our bike batteries they take out the cells, and they've been using the cells that are still viable for essentially a Bluetooth speaker system, and that's a great use of battery that isn't. You know, able to move a person around anymore but certainly could power a speaker or other or other electronics. Absolutely yeah. Seth Cysewski: Gets a second life. Circularity always being the goal and it could be. It could be a challenge. Andrew Savage: Yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly right. You know your mention of circularity raises just the higher level point that you know has gone unspoken so far in this conversation but just the nature of a shared transportation. Service is a, you know, more circular model than everyone needing to own an individual vehicle. You know, I think if we're doing things right in the future, we're using fewer resources to deliver the exact service that is necessary and if it's possible to share it great and you have to build fewer of them, and you know we often talk about how transportation. You know is such as you know such a big part of the carbon problem, you know over 25% of the world's carbon. Emissions comes from transportation, in fact, the majority of that is personal transportation, and the majority of personal transportation are trips under 5 miles that people often take by a car. So if we could think about ways to make transportation lower carbon through things like microrobility and Lime service, we have a real shot at reducing the overall carbon impact that people have in moving around and think about how inefficient moving around in a car is you're essentially moving a 6000 lb vehicle to move you know between 100 or 300 lb person a few miles, and you're spending all that energy to move the vehicle around versus move the individual around, and our focus really is on the individual and the rider. How do we get them from point A to point B? And I think we can do so in a much lower carbon way. Seth Cysewski: I actually think about that all the time. I don't know if everyone does, but I do think of how how how crazy it is yeah that I'm in a car, and then I think it's more pronounced for me when I travel to Europe and the train systems, you know, you don't use cars at all, really you know? Andrew Savage: Yeah. Seth Cysewski: I guess it depends on where you're at, and maybe to that point, I would love to hear your thoughts or like what's your vision for carbon free mobility? What does the future look like to you? Andrew Savage: Yeah, I mean, it's fun to think about what the future could look like because I think we're seeing at this moment and amazing, you know, growth and electrification of transportation. You know, I think micromobility has the potential to be the first totally carbon-free mobility service period full stop without needing to use carbon offsets without you know some of the, you know, the practices that companies have used in the past to mitigate their environmental footprint. I think that that, of course, will involve if you're looking at it from a full lifecycle perspective. Zeroing out the emissions of manufacturing zeroing out the emissions of managing the service or transporting the vehicles zeroing out the emissions of end of life but micromobility has the greatest shot at that to achieve zero emissions first. And yes, companies will need to use carbon removal to account for you know, some of the things that are aren't able to be mitigated. But I think if we're looking at the future of transportation micromobility could very well be the first place you go to for a truly zero carbon service. And that's an objective there. We're after, we want to be looking throughout the business throughout the lifecycle of our product to decarbonize and achieve that mission. I also think yes, I also think we're going to see innovations that maybe a few years ago you wouldn't have been able. We wouldn't have been able to comprehend but things like wireless charging. Do we see the ability for micromobility to snack on electricity in a wireless way at a stoplight in a bike lane because people know in Paris or London or New York that there's going to be a dozen vehicles, bike or scooter, sitting over that pad for 30 seconds during a red light and is that going to help us get from here to there even more efficiently reduce the need for operations allow vehicles to go farther or you know longer in the day et cetera. So I think there's just an amazing amount of innovation that's going to happen in the coming years as adoption has picked up and and formalized within cities and frankly cities provide more space for micro mobility as well. Seth Cysewski: Yeah, I saw a video recently they were talking about a new technology where they were using like these tall wind turbines kind of next to next to highways and stuff, so they're using the inertia from the cars going by and it's spinning these little turbines on the side and producing electricity. I just keep thinking about all these different applications and the way I mean it's so hard to predict the future, but innovation is certainly a very cool thing and I like the direction we're heading what now, so you just mentioned you know without offsets, and I would love to hear., love to hear your thought on offsets and what role they play for you guys right now or in the broader transportation sector or company sector in operations, and where we're heading in that realm. Andrew Savage: Yeah, I think it is a complicated one and, you know, a hard one to digest into little sound bites. I think you often lose folks when talking about the sort of nuances of carbon mitigation. But, you know, as I mentioned earlier with Congressman Welch for example, almost twenty years ago carbon offsets were a very reasonable approach to take to reduce your carbon footprint and to have some some sort of mitigating impact that countered the the carbon impact you were having whether you were a person individual a business a you know public servant etc. I think today it's become clear that businesses that want to lead on carbon need to reduce emissions and need to essentially sequester carbon that they aren't able to mitigate. So I think that in lies the biggest difference. Lime has used carbon offsets to certify certain markets carbon neutral that have wanted to do so. Do we see that as a long-term strategy towards carbon? No, we see decarbonization as our long-term strategy full mitigation of carbon wherever we can. And then for the remaining residual amount of carbon that you just cannot reduce because you just don't control it. For example, if you have to fly to a meeting or you know or to a market that you're serving and the airlines haven't yet decarbonized. You're going to have to find ways to mitigate that, and that's where I think the nuance of carbon removal is so important where it's not that you're buying an offset saying that we're not going to cut down this forest you're saying we're actually going to have additional measures whether they be nature-based or technology-based that sequester carbon that wouldn't otherwise be reduced and mitigated so that that to me is the real difference and I think we've come a long way even in just the last couple years in that conversation in the industry and in businesses that are seeking carbon goals and as you're probably aware a Science Based Target does not allow the use of carbon offsets and there is an allowance for the use of carbon removal for just that reason. Seth Cysewski: Thank you. That's really, that's good information. So let's circle back. So you started with policy at Lime and I would love to shift gears a little bit. We're talking about decarbonization, and where do you think or where does policy play a role in decarbonization and in other sustainability efforts, both across countries and inside of large organizations? Andrew Savage: I mean, I think your policy can be a real catalyzing influence, and policy can help open markets policy can help mitigate for sort of an imbalance in markets. You know, I think having come from an industry where we've received venture capital to grow in the industry and the goal really is to achieve profitability so that you have a long-term enduring impact you know. Ultimately, you want to be in a place where you don't need policy to thrive. You don't need, for example, text credits or things like that, something that we haven't had to receive at Lime. What we have needed and I do think policy plays a major role and is creating a stable market or creating an environment where you know the lay of the land, or there is a playing field on which to operate as a business so you know you can see this now even you know, for example, solar industry wind industry where wind and solar are competitive with coal, and it's in part because of policy but in part, because it's just good business now. It's just good economics, and so I think what we've found at Lime is that that policy plays a major role in creating a landscape for us to do our job, which is run a good business that people like and will use and where there is imbalance, you know, take for example, the externalities of companies that are polluting. That's where policy can or should step in and say you wait a second; we actually should be accounting for the bad things that are happening so that those who are bad actors aren't able to get a free ride and have a better business simply because they get away with it. So, you know, I think policy is going to need to drive the decarbonization transformation policy. You know we'll need to play a role in you know, sort of accounting for those you know those sort of market imbalances, but ultimately I think where businesses thrive is when you have a playing field where you can actually compete and do great. With a level playing field and have your service thrive because it's lower carbon and ultimately lower carbon simply means you're wasting less carbon is not an efficient long-term solution, right? You burn it once. And it's gone. You transport it all around the world just to burn it once, and it's gone. Wouldn't you rather have a business or an economy that's based on something that's far more sustainable, and ultimately it will be far lower cost once you get those sort of imbalances out? I think that's where policy really can play a leading role. I know a bit of a wonky answer, but I think an important one, and I think it's often lost on folks on the general public. How sort of imbalanced, you know, the market is without policy stepping in, and that's where it's really hard to get the right policies because that imbalance, you know, create some great winners. I mean, look at the oil and gas industry. They've been doing just fine for years and years and years, and they don't want to get rid of their, you know, their preferential leases that they get for land, or they don't want to get rid of their infrastructure that's been built around them to transport their oil and gas. They don't want to get rid of subsidies that they've received but they see a huge threat in in those that that those businesses that don't need those things and and and could deliver a similar service at a lower cost. Seth Cysewski: What role do you think business can or needs to be involved for this decarbonized future? Andrew Savage: I think, you know, sort of putting, you know, the hat that I have in politics and advocacy on with the hat that I have in business kind of hard to wear two hats. But, if you could picture, you can picture that if you could picture me wearing two hats here. I think that businesses small and large, and I'm sort of emphasized small here as well, underestimate how much impact they can have being advocates. Policymakers don't often hear from businesses. They hear from big businesses. We all know where you know the giant traditional companies stand. But when you think about the sustainability businesses that you know you work with and that we work with and you know those businesses are the future, people know that they're creating jobs. They're creating a better, they're offering a better service. They are going to be more efficient long-term, but I think businesses, small and large, often underestimate how much impact they can have by speaking up, and you know you don't have to have a fully built out policy shop to do so you don't have to have a huge political or policy ask to do so. I just think elected leaders, whether they be state, local, or federal, need to hear from the businesses of the future because they need to see what the future looks like and that there are jobs and better markets being created because of this work. So I think business plays an enormous role in advocating for itself and doesn't have to be like in a self-interested way but just sort of guiding where the future is going and if Policymakers don't hear about it. They really aren't going to be able to be responsive to it either. Seth Cysewski: Yeah, that makes sense. What I hear you saying is that there's great opportunity out there, and business plays a huge role in opening that up and making that visible for policy makers and everyone, essentially. Andrew Savage: Absolutely yeah, you said it more succinctly than I did. But yeah, exactly all right. That's fair. It's sheer cheating there, all right. Seth Cysewski: I was thinking about the way you were talking, looking into your crystal ball; what is the next five and then the next ten years look like to you for the future of either micro-mobility, or even cities? I saw you post something about city planning the other day on LinkedIn, and it got me thinking about it tool I thought about all the great cities I visit and what I like and don't like, and how they work, and I know you think about it more than I do so I would love to hear your thoughts on those two timeframes and what you see. Andrew Savage: Yeah, I appreciate it. I think that when you look at a service like Lime, one of the biggest benefits is the mode shift people taking scooters and or a bike. Instead of taking a much more polluting car or a ride-hail vehicle and globally, our road shift is around 25%, so one in every four trips is preventing a car trip. I see that only increasing I see cities adopting the service or sort of welcoming more micromobility than they ever have before, you know we went from being really a disruptive service to cities to being an essential service in the pandemic you had cities that actually declared micromobility as an essential service because it was you know, socially distant it would allow people to get around. It was autonomous. So we're seeing cities around the globe carving out more space for micro micromobility creating bike lanes protected lanes. You also see and will see over the 10 or 5-year horizon better integrations with public transit. You mentioned public transit earlier; the ability to sort of link up with and provide a first and last-mile connection to public transit is that's the secret sauce, right? That's how you get people using public transit if it's really efficient and really easy and if it gets you from here to there and micromobility really helps serve in that role. And so I feel like in the next five years ten years you're going to see more space given to micromobility in transportation. I also think what you know what's interesting is that vehicles you know cars they sit idle 96% of their lives that they're parked. 96% of our lives, if you think about how much space is used for simply parking a vehicle such wasted space, especially in an urban environment so instead picture all those vehicles gone for a second, you suddenly have an entire travel lane on the other side of most roads that could be parks. That could be protected bike lanes that could be eateries outside of restaurants; things that we've seen during this pandemic think about all the parking structures the parking garages in urban cores, you know multi-level 4 or 5, six, ten-story buildings used to park cars. Actually could be turned into public housing; it could be public housing, affordable housing. It could be market-rate housing; it would allow people to live where they were such a novel concept, right? So the idea of moving away from the car. That's not used for most of its life, and carving out taking the space that the car over the last hundred years has elbowed its way into I think, is a really transformative 5 to 10-year horizon that we will see in the relatively near term if you think about a hundred plus years get into the mess that we have with a car-centered culture I think it could be unwound much faster and I think it could be unwound in a way that the public will much appreciate with more space more affordable, housing. More places that do the things that we and actually enjoy in cities versus using it for cars. Seth Cysewski: You just painted a really pretty picture for me. Yeah, let's do it and in 5 to 10 years. I love that. That's exciting, and I like hearing that's you're thought too, is that you know, we're really trending in that direction, and I think I think it's a generational thing too. So that's very exciting. As we wind down just two last questions. I guess the first one I like to ask occasionally is, I was wondering if you had any personal or professional core value values that you operate on or that that you would maybe want to share. Andrew Savage: I tend to not be someone who has lots of, I don't know, sayings or things of that nature, though there is one saying that I and that I've come across more recently by a physicist. Albert Sweitzer, who essentially, had said that his life, or my life, is my argument and I really like that the concept of my life is my argument. That resonated with me for a few reasons. It's not to say that I think I'm doing things perfectly. I don't, especially when it comes to sustainability when you start saying you're perfect. You absolutely deserve a giant mirror to look at, but it's more that do want to choose to live your life in a way that's deliberate a way that you're living a life that is in line with your core values, and I think that saying also, in this day and age of the metaverse and all that it sort of it raises the question of do you want to be running around on Twitter making short political arguments or do you want to actually just go live a life that actually has impact. I think that sort of Twitter argument is too easy, and I think making your life. Your argument is the hard stuff, and so while I by no means think I'm perfect and I would say we all need to aspire to do better and we can all look for things internally to our lives whatever, wherever we're at on the sort of continuum that where we can improve, I like the concept of just constantly thinking about all right? How do we live a life that's deliberate and choose professional paths that feel deliberate to us or choose pursuits that feel like they're deliberate in a way that fits in with our values? Seth Cysewski: So being on Twitter isn't gonna, isn't gonna change it all. Andrew Savage: Sorry sorry if I knocked anyone on Twitter. I mean, I think you can still be on Twitter and have an impact, I don't mean to disrupt the world order right now with social media. But, you know, I think it it is worth thinking about how much time do you spend on things, Seth, for Twitter and making arguments there. How much are you spending, you know, at a city council meeting or, you know, working with a member of Congress to think about the next policy that we should enact I think there is a balance, and there's room for it all. But I think when you look back on your life I think you'll see more value in the time that you spent not making arguments but living the argument that you want. Seth Cysewski: Yeah, it's like effort allocation. You know all right? We'll finish up here with last question unless there's anything else you want to get into, and my question would be, what is one takeaway that you would want business leaders listening to know? Andrew Savage: That's a hard one. At Lime we're laser-focused now on building a transportation future that is shared, is affordable, and is carbon-free, and those anchor points allow us to think about decisions every day that we are making to better the business. And I think for any business leader that is starting a business, that's in the middle of the business; I think it's thinking about: All right, what do you want to achieve as a company? What motivates your employees? What gets your customers excited, and I think then just pursuing that with all focus that you can is the way to have an impact and have a sustainable impact in the future. Seth Cysewski: That's great. Thank thank you for sharing, and I appreciate it all. Andrew, it has been just lovely getting to chat with you today about all thing, this is great. Do you have anything else? Andrew Savage: Of course. And no, I'm good, but it was great. It was great talking with you. I think the conversations that you're having are awesome. I think that the idea of having more conversations around sustainability in business is just so important, and more and more businesses, thankfully are tuning in. Seth Cysewski: I hope so. I think so, too, though. So that's great. Yeah, thank you for that, and we'll go ahead and put some links in the show notes thank you again for joining. Much appreciated. Andrew Savage: Thanks, Seth appreciate it. Visit Coolperx® home page: Coolperx® Reach out to Coolperx®: Phone: 1 (855) 429-0455 email: hello@coolperx.com Check out Coolperx® blog: blog Plus, don't forget to follow or sign up for my newsletter here: PODCAST WEBSITE Support Coolperx®'s podcast by subscribing and reviewing! 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Despite resistance from the energy sector, the Waxman-Markey bill’s cap and trade bill made it to the Senate 11 years ago. But the bill, which proposed a market-based approach to climate change policy, ultimately died on the Senate floor. Today, POLITICO’s Zack Colman explains why the chiefs of some of the energy companies that opposed cap and trade now want the government to go down a similar route to address the climate crisis. Kelsey Tamborrino is a Politico Energy reporter. Zack Colman is an energy and environment reporter for POLITICO. Irene Noguchi is the executive producer of Politico's audio department. Jenny Ament is the senior producer of Politico's audio department. Carlos Prieto is a Politico podcast producer.
Today’s guest is Nat Keohane, Senior Vice President of Climate at Environmental Defense Fund, where he leads EDF’s Climate program and helps to shape the organizations advocacy for environmentally effective and economically sound climate policy. EDF is one of the world's largest environmental organizations, with more than two million members and a staff of 700 scientists, economists, policy experts, and other professionals around the world. Guided by science and economics, they tackle urgent threats with practical solutions. An economist with expertise in energy and environmental policy, Nat also holds a position as Adjunct Professor of Law at New York University, where he teaches a seminar on climate change policy. Previously, Nat served in the Obama Administration as Special Assistant to the President for Energy and Environment in the National Economic Council and Domestic Policy Council, where he helped to develop and coordinate administration policy on a wide range of energy and environmental issues. Before joining the Administration, he directed economic policy and analysis at EDF, playing a lead role in the efforts to enact comprehensive cap-and-trade legislation in Congress. Prior to EDF, Nat was an Associate Professor of Economics at the Yale School of Management. He received his Ph.D. from Harvard University in 2001, and his B.A. from Yale College in 1993. In today’s episode, we cover: Nat’s history, what led him to care about climate change, and what led him to EDF What EDF does, and how Nat’s responsibilities have evolved at EDF since 1994 when he joined to today Nat’s time teaching at Yale, what he liked about it, and what ultimately led him back to the advocacy world at EDF His time at the White House in 2011/2012 as Special Assistant to President Obama for Energy and Environment in the National Economic Council and Domestic Policy Council The role of markets vs policy The importance of striking the right balance between urgency and hopefulness EDF’s focus on pragmatism and getting stuff done, not just what the right answer is in theory EDF’s bipartisan approach and the importance of that for any meaningful policy initiatives to be durable over the long term Importance of the 2020 US presidential election, and the stakes The role of China, and of geography in general when determining climate impacts and strategy Some reasons for optimism How Nat would allocate $100B to maximize its impact in the climate fight Nat’s advice for you and I on how to help Links to topics discussed in this episode: Nat Keohane’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathaniel-keohane-00809988/ Nat Keohane’s twitter: https://twitter.com/natkeohane?lang=en EDF: https://www.edf.org/ Yale School of Management: https://som.yale.edu/ Waxman-Markey bill: https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/glossary/1805110/waxman-markey-bill National Economic Council: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/eop/nec EPA: https://www.epa.gov/ Cap and trade: https://www.edf.org/climate/how-cap-and-trade-works China cap and trade: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611372/china-is-creating-a-huge-carbon-market-but-not-a-particularly-aggressive-one/ You can find me on twitter @jjacobs22 or @mcjpod and email at info@myclimatejourney.co, where I encourage you to share your feedback on episodes and suggestions for future topics or guests. Enjoy the show!
This is a wide-ranging and wonderful episode. First, we are joined by Earther's Brian Kahn to talk about ecofascism and the dangerous discourse occurring around climate around the globe. Then, we ask Vox's David Roberts a whole lot of energy policy questions that span carbon taxes, electric vehicles, renewable energy goals, the filibuster, The Green New Deal, Waxman-Markey, New York's new plan and the devastating impact of the dying coal industry in Wyoming. Pretty wide-ranging, right?! As always, follow us @climatepod on Twitter and email us at theclimatepod@gmail.com. Our music is "Gotta Get Up" by The Passion Hifi, check out his music at thepassionhifi.com. Rate, review and subscribe to this podcast on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher and more! Follow Brian Kahn on Twitter @blkahn Follow David Roberts on Twitter @drvox Further Reading: Read Brian's piece on ecofascism: https://earther.gizmodo.com/how-climate-change-is-becoming-a-deadly-part-of-white-n-1837010929 Read David's piece on methane and fracking: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/8/15/20805136/climate-change-fracking-methane-emissions Ben Smee's piece on Michael McCormack in The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/16/pacific-islands-will-survive-climate-crisis-because-they-can-pick-our-fruit-australias-deputy-pm-says?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet Tom McKay's piece on Iceland: https://earther.gizmodo.com/icelanders-mourn-loss-of-okjokull-glacier-with-ceremony-1837354287
The Biblical Doctrine of Dominion engages Christians as stewards of the planet. Which faith communities embrace this message as a call to climate action? And how can we inspire more conservatives with Christian values to realize that we’re disrupting the balance the Creator intended and advocate for climate solutions? Bob Inglis is a former Republican congressman representing South Carolina and the current Executive Director of republicEN, an EcoRight organization that supports a free market approach to climate change. Today, Bob joins Ross and Christophe to share the three-step metamorphosis that inspired his belief in climate change. He defines conservatism, discussing the link between Christianity and climate action and explaining why current conservative politics don’t reflect Christian values. Bob weighs in on what the climate movement gets wrong when it comes to messaging and offers insight around how conservatives and progressives can come together, using climate change as a way out of the current polarization in politics. Listen in for Bob’s take on the pros and cons of voluntary offsets, cap and trade, and a carbon tax and learn why he believes America will lead the world to climate solutions! Key Takeaways [1:09] Bob’s path to Reversing Climate Change Climate denier for 6 years as congressman Son urged to clean up act on environment [2:59] Bob’s 3-step metamorphosis on climate change Wife and kids advocate for change Science education in Antarctica (evidence in ice core) Spiritual awakening at Great Barrier Reef [9:12] How Bob defines conviction Courage to admit when wrong Grow + adapt with new information [11:34] How Bob defines conservatism Free enterprise solutions constrained by moral system Look to answers rooted in faith and family Accountability (pay for what you take) [19:51] What the climate movement’s messaging gets wrong Communicates dislike and superiority Approach with respect, message of hope Solution aversion leads to rejection of science [28:57] The link between climate action and Christianity Young believers embrace message of stewardship Dominion of service as modeled by Jesus [34:27] How current conservative politics don’t reflect Christianity ‘Nature of God revealed in things made’ Franklin Graham comments on immigration [40:53] Bob’s take on voluntary carbon offsets Step toward internalization of negative externalities Havoc comes from lack of responsibility True cost in marketplace speed pace of innovation Need government to step in as honest cop Pave way for better tech, take away subsidies [49:09] Bob’s insight on cap and trade vs. carbon tax Voted against complicated Waxman-Markey For simple carbon tax (fee for ‘trash in sky’) Need for consistency across US [53:46] How conservatives and progressives can collaborate Polarization sure to pass (orthodoxies fluid) Come together on climate action as model [1:01:38] How the Green New Deal inspired conservative action Enter competition of ideas, small government footprint Bring America together to lead world to solution Connect with Ross & Christophe Nori Nori on Facebook Nori on Twitter Nori on Medium Nori on YouTube Nori on GitHub Nori Newsletter Email hello@nori.com Nori White Paper Subscribe on iTunes Carbon Removal Newsroom Resources republicEN Join republicEN Donal Manahan Byrd Polar and Climate Research Center Dr. Scott Heron Raise Wages, Cut Carbon Act of 2009 Jack Kemp: The Bleeding-Heart Conservative Who Changed America by Morton Kondracke and Fred Barnes Edmund Burke Benji Backer on Reversing Climate Change EP074 Joel Salatin on Reversing Climate Change EP072 “Could the Ancient Jewish Practice of Shmita Be a New Tool for Sustainable Agriculture?” in Salon Young Evangelicals for Climate Action “Evangelist Franklin Graham Says Immigration ‘Not a Bible Issue.’ Bible Says He’s Wrong” in The Washington Post Waxman-Markey Bill Niskanen Center R Street Institute ClearPath Foundation Alliance for Market Solutions Green New Deal
The Green New Deal has recently picked up social and political momentum, but federal interventions into energy and environmental problems is not a new idea. In fact, as Breakthrough energy analyst Jameson McBride argues, there is no such thing as a free market in energy. So the question is not so much whether the government should intervene, but how it should do so. What is the "green" in the Green New Deal? Should we tack on other progressive social causes? And what can past federal efforts, like the Waxman-Markey energy bill of 2009, teach us about environmental policymaking in 2019? This episode is a little different than our usual format. Alex Trembath, former Breakthrough energy analyst and current Breakthrough deputy director, sits down with our very own Jameson to talk shop. Tune in to hear them discuss the ins and outs of energy policy and to get the latest news contextualized into broader trends. For more, here's Jameson's piece on the Green New Deal and the Legacy of Public Power.
We typically think of value and ROI in monetary terms, but what about the social value of an investment? Or its environmental return? The field of ecological economics is built around the idea that the health of our land serves as the foundation of our economy, and we know that assigning a monetary value to ecosystem services helps us to be better stewards to these resources. So, how do we put carbon sequestration on the balance sheet? How do we build market incentives to reverse climate change at scale? And how do we talk to investors about deploying capital in ways that create real value for the landscape AND provide a healthy financial return? Ryan Anderson is the Strategy Lead with the Delta Institute, a nonprofit working to collaborate with communities to solve complex environmental challenges across the Midwest. They identify opportunities for market-based environmental solutions and then proceed to design, test and share those solutions for the social, environmental and economic benefit of their community partners. Ryan joined the team at Delta in 2007, and his role involves connecting innovative people and ideas to specific resources and places. Currently, he’s focused on reversing climate change by working with farmers to sequester carbon in the soil, creating a more inclusive and regenerative economy in the process. Today, Ryan joins Ross and Christophe to discuss the principles of ecological economics and the debate around financializing ecosystem services. He describes his work with The Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), sharing its successes and failures and explaining what Nori can learn from his experience with the project. Listen in for Ryan’s advice to impact investors on diversifying their portfolios with farmland and learn about the Delta Institute’s recent report on valuing the ecosystem service benefits of regenerative agriculture practices. Resources The Delta Institute National No-Tillage Conference Carbon Farming Innovation Network Reversapalooza Ecological Economics: Principles and Applicationsby Herman E. Daly and Joshua Farley The Chicago Climate Exchange Wendell Berry Pope Francis’ ‘On Care for Our Common Home’ Robert Costanza’s ‘The Value of the World’s Ecosystem Services and Natural Capital’ Dr. Charles Massey on RCC EP053 Good Derivatives: A Story of Financial and Environmental Innovationby Richard L. Sander Cap-and-Trade Discussion on RCC EP031 North Dakota Farmers Union Iowa Farm Bureau Waxman-Markey Bill The Paris Agreement US Climate Alliance 4 Per 1000 Initiative Delta Institute & Farmland LP Report Farmland LP Earth Economics COMET-Farm Henry George Connect with Nori Nori Nori on Facebook Nori on Twitter Nori on Medium Nori on YouTube Nori on GitHub Email hello@nori.com Nori White Paper Subscribe on iTunes Key Takeaways [2:29] Ryan’s path to reversing climate change Grew up in Chicago (hub for futures) Independent study on ecological econ Master’s at University of Leeds [7:59] The principles of ecological economics Fusing of ecology and economy Imbedded view of natural + human systems [9:44] Ryan’s take on financializing ecosystem services Must be on balance sheet Makes us better stewards to resources Values beyond monetary (i.e.: social, aesthetic) Market incentives necessary for speed, scale [16:28] Basic market terminology Derivatives Forwards vs. futures Commodities [21:52] The function of The Chicago Climate Exchange Anticipated regulatory future for carbon emissions Voluntary membership created ‘policy laboratory’ Ag/forestry contain costs for industrial emitters Delta Institute brought in as aggregator for IL [28:19] The successes and failures of CCX Mass involvement, engagement from membership Members pulled back after failure of Waxman-Markey [33:44] What Nori can learn from CCX Test methodology, make accessible to farmers Model for participation at scale quickly [38:46] The mission of the Delta Institute Collaborate with communities across Midwest Solve complex environmental challenges Pilot innovative ideas, scale via partnerships [42:18] Ryan’s advice for impact investors Deploy capital to create real value on landscape Leverage farmland to diversify portfolio [47:41] Ryan’s hope for the Nori pilot Expand across North America, world Farmers join and benefit (boost to stay on land)
November 3, 2009: Jane Van Ryan speaks with Alan Gelder of Wood Mackenzie, a research and consulting firm, who recently conducted a study on the potential impact of climate change legislation on refiners.
September 16, 2009. ETR 89 tells the story of the Energy Citizens rallies, which provided concerned Americans the opportunity to voice their opinions on the Waxman-Markey climate bill. The series of 20 rallies held across America gave people from all walks of life the chance to let their representatives in Washington know they need to protect jobs and support responsible energy legislation.
June 9, 2009: Jane Van Ryan speaks with Kevin Book of ClearView Energy Partners, LLC about the energy and climate change legislation being considered in Congress. Kevin also discusses energy security issues and the recent rise in gas prices during the summer driving season.
Learn about new green legislation, and how it affects you. Listen to this week's Tip of the Week to learn more about the American Clean Energy and Security Act (i.e. the Waxman-Markey climate legislation).
Lisa Cohn of EE Markets interviews Derek Murrow, director of policy analysis for Environment Northeast, about the proposed Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (the Waxman-Markey bill) and what it means for energy efficiency and the creation of new jobs.