The New Monastics

Sensei Joshin Byrnes is a Zen priest and teacher in the White Plum lineage of Soto Zen; earlier in life he was in the Dominican Order of the Catholic Church. In 2017 he founded Bread Loaf Mountain Zen Community in Vermont and virtually to be a hub for community-engaged Zen practice. Alongside his religious vocation, Joshin spent much of his career working for social change nonprofits in the areas of HIV/AIDS and prevention, child welfare, homelessness, and community based philanthropy.In this episode, Deepa and Daniel center their dialogue with Joshin on the concept of literal and metaphorical cooking in Zen and Sufism, the home traditions of Joshin and Deepa respectively. Together they explore: grandmother-cooked family meals, Zen master Dogen's Instructions to the Cook, various metaphors of 'cooking your life, 'kissing' the parts of ourselves we may consider 'garbage,' the way our attitude and energy affect food, Dogen's 'three minds,' prasad  (food offerings), being more connected to taste apart from eating, the multi-sensory nature of food, Joshin's experience of taking communion on a 'street retreat,' the 'community living room' at BLMZC, potlucks, fasting and the increased appreciation it brings, skillful hunger as opposed to destructive hunger, insatiable appetites for spiritual experience, finding a balance of 'spices,' ritualistically feeding hungry ghosts, Mevlana Rumi's poetic imagery of cooking, Deepa's experience of learning to 'whirl' with the Mevlevi Order of Sufism, learning to want the unwanted, Dogen getting schooled by an old Zen cook, 'slender sadness,' and the Zen concept of 'one taste.'If you're interested in residential practice at Bread Loaf Mountain Zen Community send a note to info@BLMZC for more information.Bread Loaf Mountain Zen CommunityCharis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Robert Wing Sensei is the founder of the Mountain Warrior Institute, Warrior of the Heart seminars, and the director of Wise Actions. As an Aikido practitioner, Wing Sensei is a student of both Koichi Kashiwaya Sensei and Hiroshi Ikeda Shihan, and founder of the Aikido curriculum at Naropa University, where he continues as the senior teacher of its Aiki-ken and Aiki-Jo club on campus in Boulder, Colorado.In this episode, we talk with Wing Sensei about three types of language (representational, immediate, and structural), Aikido as a structural language, the asking of ‘physical questions' in the martial arts, ‘internal martial arts,' the meaning of ‘ai' (harmony) and ‘ki' (energy), ‘effective distance' and ‘joining' in Aikido, the idea of conflict and ‘entering and turning' into it, fighting and not-fighting, his seminar 'the Art of Hosting Important Questions,' and centering and the effective use and right application of power.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Rabbi Tirzah Firestone is a fellow student of Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi, an author and psychotherapist focusing on intergenerational trauma, and one of the senior rabbis of the Jewish Renewal movement. Tirzah is the author of Wounds into Wisdom: Healing Intergenerational Jewish Trauma, The Receiving: Reclaiming Jewish Women's Wisdom, and the newly republished With Roots in Heaven: One Woman's Passionate Journey into the Heart of Her Faith.In this episode, we talk about the evolution of Tirzah's work on intergenerational trauma, pros and cons of the popularization of the concept of 'trauma,' Tirzah's recent teaching trip to Berlin amidst the rise of Neo-Fascist politics, Jewish & Israeli reactions to the events of Oct. 7th as an unhealthy trauma response, the conflation of Jewish identity with Jewish nationalism, the search for authority in the opinions of Reb Zalman (Tirzah and Netanel's teacher), Reb Zalman's desire to pray across dividing lines and include God in worldly decisions and problems, the 'seeds' we inherit from our ancestors and which we choose to water, the potentially transformative impact of psychologically based ancestral healing, and the image of the two cherubs atop the Holy of Holies as a metaphor for masculine/feminine balance.You can learn more about Tirzah and her work on her website.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Rory McEntee is the the President and Executive Director of Charis Foundation for New Monasticism and Interspirituality, which he co-founded with Netanel Miles-Yépez and Adam Bucko. Rory holds a Ph.D. in Theological and Philosophical Studies in Religion from Drew University, has co-authored The New Monasticism: An Interspiritual Manifesto for Contemplative Living, and authored the forthcoming The Sacred/Secular Binary: Challenging the Divide in University Culture and Democratic Societies. In this episode, we look at the different ways in which people are ‘interspiritual' today and how interspirituality is not separate from historical religious traditions. We also explore the 'spiritual-but-not-religious,' an interspiritual path, the idea of ‘depth' in spirituality, the sacred/secular binary, and meeting God in everything. We then look at inter spiritual practice, the vertical and horizontal aspects of Charis Meditation, Charis Circles and the possibilities of interspiritual community, as well as the  Charis Snowmass Dialogues, and the twelve Charis Community Vows.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Dr. Judith Simmer-Brown is Professor Emeritx of Religious Studies at Naropa University, where she has been on the faculty since 1978. She has practiced Tibetan Buddhism for almost 50 years and is a direct student of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. She serves on the steering committee of the American Academy of Religion's Contemplative Studies Group, and has published widely on Tibetan Buddhism, women in Buddhism, interreligious dialogue, and contemplative studies. In this episode, we explore the ins-and-outs of interreligious dialogue, the historic Buddhist-Christian Dialogues at the Naropa Institute, the retreats held before and after those dialogues, the dialogue of theology and devotion, public and private dialogue, ‘interreligious' and ‘interspiritual' dialogue, the development of the first course in Interreligious Dialogue at Naropa and its skills-based approach, the cultivation of good dialogues and dialoguers, as well as personal cultivation of one's spiritual life.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

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In this episode, we have a roundtable discussion of spiritual issues with educator Carla Burns. In Part I, we talk about how to slow down and make the 'space' to hold complexity in our society. In Part II, we discuss the film The Martian and what it has to say about humanity and humanity's needs. And in Part III, we explore the idea of our planet's consciousness and how it is expressed today.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

In this episode, Netanel plays hooky, and Daniel is joined by Deepa Patel, a teacher of Inayati Sufism, partner of the Charis Foundation, and recurring guest, to share poems close to each of their hearts. In the course of reading and reflecting on the poems listed below, they explore coping with harrowing world events, honoring the preciousness of lost lives, unity consciousness as a reservoir of strength, being lifted out of impotence, the action of stillness, the 'hard work' and courage of becoming oneself, the mental prisons in which we trap ourselves, singing our unique 'song,' the power of poetry, embracing the all-possible, following the seed of our longing, the 'cookie-cutter nature' of Capitalism vs. the revolution of individuality, the silence between words, the purifying effect of our authenticity being challenged, humility and inspiration in the face of great practitioners, and how all 'rays bow before the Sun.'  List of Poems Read: ON ANOTHER PANEL ABOUT CLIMATE, THEY ASK ME TO SELL THE FUTURE AND ALL I'VE GOT IS A LOVE POEM — Ayisha SiddiqaThe Scripture of The Golden Eternity [Verses 64-66] — Jack KerouacNow I Become Myself — May Sarton Untitled — Patrizia Cavalli (Tr. Geoffrey Brock)Go to the Limits of Your Longing — Ranier Maria RilkeThe Imposter — Shaykh Ahmad Al-Alawi (Tr. Martin Lings)Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

The Venerable Dr. Pannavati Bhikkuni is the founder of Heartwood Refuge, an intentional spiritual community in North Carolina, and abbess of Embracing Simplicity Hermitage, a 21st century trans-lineage Buddhist Order. A former Christian pastor, the Venerable Pannavati is often thought to be the only fully-ordained African-American woman in the Theravada tradition of Buddhism. She is also ordained in the Mahayana tradition and has Vajrayana empowerments and authorization to teach.In this episode, we explore the Venerable Pannavati's journey from Evangelical Christianity to a trans-lineage Buddhism, discussing the methods of transformation of consciousness, simple and complex religious perspectives, the serving of different needs and capacities on the spiritual path, a ‘relational' and ‘American Buddhism,' trans-lineage Buddhism, syncretism and a Ri-me approach to ecumenism, sectarianism in Buddhism, the ordination of Theravadan Buddhist nuns, legacy and leaving no footprints, new inter spiritual language, and the ‘Dharma Gospel' of Dharma Voci.Heartwood Refuge & AcademyDharma Voci's Album: InvocationCharis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the Show.

In this episode, we do a retrospective on a dialogue that took place in 1974 during the first summer session of the Naropa Institute in Boulder, Colorado. The dialogue was called “Psychology East and West” and explored a number of differences in understanding and approach to the notion of ego between so-called “Western psychology” and what were then thought of as “Eastern” spiritual traditions. The participants included the well-known spiritual teachers, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and Ram Dass, as well as the co-founder and Vice-President of Naropa, John Baker, and the therapist, Jim Green. The dialogue was moderated by Duncan Campbell. The full dialogue can be heard on the Ram Dass — Here and Now podcast: Ep. 112, The Notion of Ego with Chogyam Trungpa RinpocheCharis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the Show.

In this episode, we have a roundtable discussion of spiritual issues with psychotherapist, Lisa Chatham. In Part I, we talk about the complex legacies of brilliant spiritual teachers, like Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, who are associated with inappropriate behavior or scandals. In Part II, we explore the spirituality of our most distant past in European and Middle-Eastern cave art and artifacts, and the spiritual futurism and metaphor of Star Wars. In Part III, we discuss the role and importance of technology in our lives and how we can deal with it spiritually.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the Show.

Born in Aotearoa (New Zealand), Grandmother Arapata is a healer who holds the indigenous lineages of both the Maori and Samoan ancestral bloodlines.In this episode we talk about Grandmother Arapata's upbringing with traditional teachings, the stigmas of colonization, the different challenges of indigenous peoples in the United States and New Zealand, reclaiming lost traditions, trusting chaos and intuition, working with the womb and generational pain (in the seen and unseen worlds), as well as injuries from power and greed. We also discuss appropriation and cultural reclamation among colonizing peoples, treating the whole being,  the necessity of play and joy for re-rooting, working with men, 'whiteness' and the white-washing of culture and indigeneity, learning from and giving to our ancestors, the relationship of creativity to healing, and the necessity of pain in healing.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the Show.

Nataraja Kallio is a scholar-practitioner of Yoga and Hindu tantra. He is the Chair of the B.A. Yoga Studies program at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado, and the co-designer of Naropa's M.A. Yoga Studies program.In this episode, we discuss Kallio's upbringing in an American Hindu spiritual community, his travels in India and meetings with his guru, the origins of Hindu tantra (utilizing “the fecund material of our existence”), the spectrum of tantric deities, the transformation of intense emotions to crack the shell of identity, the pros and cons of asceticism, desire, the story of Shankaracharya and the exploration of the flesh, the story of Shiva and the forest ascetics, authentic and inauthentic tantra, neo-tantra and the western obsession with sex, cultural appropriation, epicureanism and sacralization, the ‘tantric' dimension of all religions, and the treasure of spiritual friendship.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Lily Fangz is a respected Colorado-based hip-hop artist and freestyle performer, who  brings an authentic presence to the stage. Her lyrics are playful, introspective, and often spiritually-oriented. Lily is also a talented visual artist and public speaker with a background in science.In this episode, we explore the connections between public artistic performance and spiritual teaching, how each may be responsive to the ‘living moment' and draw on an unseen source. We also discuss art and ritual, tuning oneself or others to the right ‘frequency,' training and performance, connecting to the body, ‘subversive spirituality,' self-purifying inspiration, trust and curiosity, true vocation, facing our fears, and becoming comfortable with the unknown and mystery.Instagram: Lily FangzBandcamp: Lily FangzTED Talk by Lily FangzCharis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Rabbi Or N. Rose is a scholar of Hasidism and Neo-Hasidism who is deeply involved in interreligious dialogue. He is the Director of the Miller Center for Interreligious Learning and Leadership at Hebrew College in Newton Centre, Massachusetts, and co-editor of Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi: Essential Teachings.In this episode, we explore Rabbi Rose's interest in interreligious understanding, the distinction between interreligious dialogue and ‘deep ecumenism,' ideals and reality in dialogue, and the dialogue of the head, heart, and hands. We then turn to the relationships between Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi and the Reverend Howard Thurman and Father Thomas Merton. We also explore the origins of Hasidism and Neo-Hasidism, what it means to be a Neo-Hasid from a personal perspective, the spiritual practices of Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi, and the tension between universalism and particularism in Judaism. Miller Center for Interreligous Learning & Leadership at Hebrew CollegeWith Head and Heart: The Autobiography of Howard ThurmanCharis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

In this episode, we have a roundtable discussion of spiritual issues with our friend, Deepa Patel. In Part I, we explore the question of what it means to take a vow of silence in our world, and talk about the value and meaning of silence. In Part II, we talk about the difficulty of changing ourselves or anyone else when we are not necessarily vulnerable to change. And in Part III, we dig into the problems of living a spiritual life ‘in the world' amid the concerns of work and paying bills, not to mention the corrupting influences of capitalism.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Dr. Edward W. Bastian is an American-born filmmaker, scholar of Tibetan Buddhism, member of the Snowmass Conference, founder of the Spiritual Paths Institute, and the author of Interspiritual Meditation and Mandala. In this episode, we discuss how he found his way to Buddhism, the importance of learning-styles in religions, his meeting with Father Thomas Keating and experiences with the Snowmass Conference, the emergence of the interspiritual, the creation of an interspiritual meditation process, the seven steps of Interspiritual Meditation, the structure of tantric practice, interspiritual ‘processes' versus ‘practices,' and the mandala as a discernment tool for spiritual seekers. Links: Spiritual Paths InstituteSpiritual Paths Book Series: Interspiritual Meditation, Mandala, & Meditations for InterSpiritual PracticeCharis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Chris Maddox is the founder of The Wild Woman Project where she teaches women how to utilize the gifts of the Wild Woman Archetype in their everyday lives & how to lead women's circles in their local communities. She is the organizer and facilitator of the beloved annual WILD WOMAN FEST, a women's retreat-festival hybrid which fosters a deep connection to nature, a direct experience of the divine feminine, and profound spiritual sisterhood among the women in attendance.In this episode, we discuss Chris's personal journey,  her discovery of the Wild Woman Archetype, starting the Wild Woman Project, how the Project has unfolded, the 'superpowers' of women, future visions for humanity,  Tolkien's idea of art as 'real,' the 'architecture of circle,'  and  Charis Foundation's interspiritual dialogues. Links:The Wild Woman ProjectWild Woman UndergroundWild Woman Project InstagramWild Woman Project FacebookCharis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Though a professor of religion at Naropa University, and the author of numerous books on spirituality (and a frequent dialogue partner for our guests), Netanel Miles-Yépez is also a well-known artist, philosopher, and spiritual teacher. On this episode, we have asked Netanel to discuss his life at the crossroads of art and spirituality, the archetype of the artist, the internal origins and ‘midwifing' of a vision, art as spiritual nourishment, artistic ‘jealousy,' the essential spirituality of art, the relationship between art and prophesy, the muse and 'revelatory contents,' the difference between talent and training in art and spirituality, art and a 24/7 spirituality, projections on the spiritual artist, the holy mystery of human experience, depth and quality in the artist and artisan, Hasidism and the investment of intentionality,  the contemplative attitude, and art that lives.You can view and/or purchase some of Netanel's artwork at his Etsy shop, and learn more about his work in general on his personal site.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Dr. Amelia Hall is a British-born scholar-practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism and professor in the Department of Wisdom Traditions at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado. In this episode, we discuss the issues of taking on a religious tradition that comes from another culture, cyclical and linear orientations, cultural ‘exotification,' the evolution of Buddhism outside of India, investigations of human relations with non-human beings, sacred landscapes and the health of the planet, personal and place-oriented re-indigenization and re-wilding, accepting the ‘magical' in the academy, outer-inner and secret understandings, violence against the Earth and its beings, primeval relational consciousness versus the modern utility mind, commodity culture and the reclamation of the indigenous traditions of the British Isles, the modern interest in magick, and the nature of truth and reality around our experiences.Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Father Adam Bucko is a Polish-American Episcopal priest who serves as the director of The Center for Spiritual Imagination at the Episcopal Cathedral of the Incarnation in Garden City, New York. He is a committed voice in the movement for the renewal of Christian Contemplative Spirituality and the growing New Monastic movement, and the author of the new book, Let Your Heartbreak be Your Guide: Lessons in Engaged Contemplation. In this episode, we discuss the origins of the book, the work of ‘engaged contemplation,' Polish spiritual activism, the exemplary compassion of Christ, being a 'new monastic' or contemplative in the world, Reciprocity Foundation, breaking open and filling our ‘cup,' prayerful living, and his call to priesthood.Let Your Heartbreak be Your Guide by Adam Bucko The Center for Spiritual ImaginationThe Reciprocity FoundationCharis Foundation Golden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Brenda Salgado is a Nicaraguan-American curandera and Toltec healer, who emphasizes ceremony and traditional circle work for healing conflict and building community. She is the former director of the East Bay Meditation Center, and the current director of Nepantla Healing and Consulting. She is also the author of Real World Mindfulness for Beginners. In this episode, we explore and dialogue on the issues of relationship to the natural world, the ‘wings' of Eagle and Condor consciousness, the planetary ‘convergence,' the ‘Peace and Dignity Journeys,' pan-indigenous interspirituality, authentic representation in ‘inter-mystic' dialogical spaces, not getting ‘fundamentalist,' connection to place and our displacement, ‘reclaiming our inheritance,' re-establishing right-relationship to place, Standing Rock, the Doctrine of Discovery, stewarding our homes, and the ‘de-humanization' of our lives and environment.Links: Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

Ramon Gabrieloff-Parish is an assistant professor at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado, and a leading voice in environmental justice, sustainability issues, contemporary rites of passage, and bringing the sacred into everyday living. In this episode, we explore and dialogue on the issues of sacred ecology, our paradoxical separation from nature, urban living, human divergence and convergence, de-colonized perspectives, industrialization, pandemic wisdom, complex historical legacies, the function of our religious traditions and ongoing revelation, reclamation of our relationship to nature, wilderness detox,  contemporary rites of passage movements, being human and educating character for the health of the planet. Links: Charis Foundation for New Monasticism and InterspiritualityGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

In this episode we are joined by Alejandra Warden, an educator, interspiritual teacher, and founder of the Essential Oneness Feminine Wisdom Project. We focus our discussion on Alejandra's newest book, Remembrance: A Vision of the Sacred Feminine and the Renewal of the Earth, in which she shares, for the first time, the powerful visions on the sacred cosmic feminine, that she experienced over a period of 7 months, shortly after moving from Argentina to the US. We dive into the context of that period, the contents  of her visions, how Alejandra integrated that experience of awakening, and how she translates her process into her teachings and work with students. Along the way, we share some excerpts from the book, and explore various topics such as: how the sacred feminine relates to the sacred masculine, creation as love incarnated, effects of patriarchy, interspirituality in the context of Alejandra's visions, and the sanctity of everyday life. Links: Alejandra's Bio, and spiritual autobiography in Spanish, El llamado de mi Corazón: Una autobiografía espiritualCharis Foundation for New Monasticism and InterspiritualityGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

From the Intro: “In the 1970's, long before podcasts like our own, there were radio shows whose reach was perhaps more limited, but whose impact was still powerful. Among the best of those shows was “In the Spirit” on WBAI in New York City, in which Lex Hixon interviewed some of the best, most interesting spiritual teachers and thinkers of the 1970s—Alan Watts, Tarthang Tulku, Rabbi Zalman Schachter, Ram Dass. But what made the show really special was Hixon himself, a deep spiritual thinker and practitioner who would soon make his own mark, and whose insight and sincere questions made the show far more interesting. In 2016, Paul Cohen of Monkfish Publishing, published these interviews in a book edited by Sheila Hixon called Conversations in the Spirit: Lex Hixon's WBAI “In the Spirit” Interviews: A Chronicle of the Seventies Spiritual Revolution. We will be using the book, with permission from Monkfish, to look at some of these interviews in the context of where we are today.The first interview we want to examine is from October 8, 1978, with Sufi master Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan (1916-2004), who is the son of Hazrat Inayat Khan (1882-1927), the first Sufi master in the West and the founder of Inayati or Universalist Sufism. This interview, unlike many others, was recorded on-location at the Abode of the Message, Pir Vilayat's Sufi spiritual community in New Lebanon, New York.”Using the interview as a jumping-off point, our dialogue explores the ongoing tension between universalism and particularism, ‘pure' and ‘syncretic' religions, and how to honor a tradition, such as Islamic Sufism, in the face of changes in spiritual perspective, some of which are embodied in Universalist Sufism. Along the way, we reflect on the life and legacy of these two spiritual giants, who were both a part of a larger web of figures on the forefront of the 1970's ‘spiritual revolution' in America, and its impulse towards interspirituality, unity, and spiritual freedom.To supplement our dialogue and exploration, we use samples from the original recording of this interview, which may be found here.If you are interested in the book, Conversations in the Spirit: Lex Hixon's WBAI “In the Spirit” Interviews: A Chronicle of the Seventies Spiritual Revolution edited by Sheila Hixon, it may be purchased here.Links:Charis Foundation for New Monasticism and InterSpiritualityGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

In this fourth episode (actually our first recorded episode), we interview Tessa Bielecki, former Mother Abbess of the Spiritual Life Institute and a Carmelite hermit in Tucson, Arizona. Tessa talks with us about her Polish Catholic background, founding a Carmelite reform movement, and four Carmelite wilderness monasteries. She also discusses her life today as a “urban hermit,” the impact of Fr. William McNamara, the relationship of “Holiness and Vitality,” life-affirming Christianity, the influence of J.R.R. Tolkien and The Lord of the Rings on the Spiritual Life Institute, contemplation as “personal passionate presence,” Teresa of Avila and Carmelite spirituality, interreligious dialogue (particularly related to the historic Buddhist-Christian dialogue at the Naropa Institute in the 1980s), and interspirituality today. Tessa Bielecki is a Carmelite Christian hermit and a pioneer in interreligious dialogue. Co-founder and former Mother Abbess of the Spiritual Life Institute (a Carmelite reform institution), she founded four eremitical monasteries in North America and Ireland. Later, after leaving the Spiritual Life Institute, she founded the Desert Foundation (with Father David Denny), exploring connections between the Abrahamic faiths. Today, Tessa lives in Tucson, Arizona, where she considers herself an “urban hermit.”To learn more about Tessa, or to donate to her 'urban hermitage,' go to: sandandsky.orgLinks: Charis FoundationGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

In this episode, we are joined by Reverend Matthew Wright, a leading figure in the dialogue on contemplative life and interspirituality. With Reverend Matthew, we talk about Karl Jasper's notion of the “Axial Age”and Ewert Cousins' idea of a “Second Axial Age.” We also discuss the inherently interspiritual matrix from which religions are ‘birthed' (including Christianity and Islam), and explore the deep and surface connections between the ‘Abrahamic Religions' (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), and the notion of an ‘Abrahamic lineage' of spirituality. Some of the connections and topics we discussed include: shared forms of prayer, an emphasis on ‘relationality' vs. identification with God, the notion of idolatry, and the Abrahamic investment in human possibility.The Reverend Matthew Wright is currently priest-in-charge at St. Gregory's Episcopal Church in Woodstock, New York, where he lives in community with the brothers of Holy Cross Monastery in Westpark, New York. He is also a close student of both Cynthia Borgeault in the Christian contemplative tradition, and a dervish of American Mevlevi Sufi sheikh, Kabir Helminski, and sheika Camille Helminski.Links:  Golden Turtle SoundCharis FoundationRev. Matthew Wright on the Second Axial AgeSupport the show

In this episode, we are joined by Deepa Patel, a teacher of Inayati Sufism who works with Charis Foundation on the Future of Religion and Interspirituality dialogues. With Deepa, we explore alternate sources of spiritual guidance (e.g., influential books and family members) which serve to connect us to ourselves, as well as the function of teachers who ‘mirror' something back to us, helping us take personal responsibility around discipline and discernment. We also look at teachers, like Krishnamurti, who do not claim to be ‘teachers,' as well as issues of readiness for teaching, making commitments, disappointments with teachers, ‘inner guides,' and the difficulties of choosing from the spiritual menu.Deepa Gulrukh Patel is a teacher of Inayati Sufism and the Executive Director for the Zenith Institute, a four-week Sufi meditation camp in the Swiss Alps, where she guides retreats for young adults. She is also a partner in Charis Foundation's Future of Religion and Interspirituality dialogues, the Chair of Tamasha Theatre Company and the Loss Foundation, a bereavement support service for people who have lost loved ones to cancer. Her past roles have included being a music education producer for the BBC, a campaigner on HIV/AIDS for Action Aid, and Managing Director of Creative Partnerships (a national UK Government Initiative on creativity in schools). She currently facilitates programs for organizations globally on the art of collaboration, conversation and contemplation.Links: Deepa's Full BioCharis Foundation for New Monasticism and InterSpiritualityGolden Turtle SoundSupport the show

In this episode, we are joined by Rory McEntee, a leading figure in both the new monasticism and interspirituality movements, with whom we explore the origins of Charis Foundation, ‘old' and ‘new' ways of teaching spirituality, the idea of new monasticism and what is ‘new' about it, interspirituality and its pioneers, the “growing edge” as spoken of by the Rev. Howard Thurman, contemplative life and ways of being interspiritual, the nine new monastic vows as framed by Rev. Diane Berke, goal-oriented spirituality and ‘spirituality for me', service to others, and stories of interfaith challenge.Rory McEntee is the co-founder of Charis Foundation for New Monasticism and Interspirituality (with Netanel Miles-Yépez and Adam Bucko) and co-author (with Adam Bucko) of The New Monasticism: An Interspiritual Manifesto for Contemplative Living). As a student of both Father Thomas Keating (the founder of the Centering Prayer movement) and Brother Wayne Teasdale (the coiner of the word ‘interspirituality'), Rory helped to found the Interspiritual Movement, traveling around the world and participating in dialogues with world spiritual leaders, including His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Pope Francis. A former administrator for the Snowmass InterSpiritual Dialogues, Rory now runs The Future of Religion & Interspirituality Dialogues (with Netanel Miles-Yépez). He has taught at both Keane University and Drew University, and is currently finishing up a Ph.D. in Theological and Philosophical Studies in Religion at Drew University. Links: Charis Foundation"New Monasticism: An Interspiritual Manifesto for Contemplative Life in the 21st Century"by Rory McEntee and Adam Bucko  (pdf of original manifesto) "The New Monasticism: An Interspiritual Manifesto For Contemplative Living"by Rory McEntee  and Adam Bucko (book)Golden Turtle Sound