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Katie Doherty and Emily Holland have created something special with Founded Outdoors - a place for entrepreneurs in the outdoor industry to connect, learn, and grow. With a front row seat to the journeys of outdoor founders and entrepreneurs, Katie and Emily shared plenty of insight, stories, and inspiration during this conversation. Founded Outdoors: https://foundedoutdoors.com/ Katie Doherty: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dohertykatie/ Emily Holland: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilylholland/ Wild Poppy: https://www.wildpoppycreativeco.com/ The Art Of Gathering (Book): https://amzn.to/3HP60u3 Garage Grown Gear: https://www.garagegrowngear.com/ Conscious Gear: https://conscious-gear.com/ Hightag: https://www.hightag.com/ Pangoo Apparel: https://pangooapparel.com/ REI Embark Program: https://www.rei.com/path-ahead/embark Wild Rye: https://wild-rye.com/ Women-Led Wednesday: https://womenledwednesday.com/ Brand, Product, Content (BPC): Coalition Snow Newsletter: https://coalitionsnow.substack.com/ The Surf Bag: https://thesurfbag.com/ HT Hayes Reaction Videos: https://www.youtube.com/c/hamiltontroyhayes Real Rock Film Festival: https://reelrocktour.com/ Momentous Sleep Pouch (Use Aaron's link for 35% off): https://crrnt.app/MOME/P1ZgGplx Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Royi Metser is the founder and CEO of Avelo, and they're on a mission to build the world's smartest running shoe to prevent injury, optimize training, and connect the dots between our effort and results. In this conversation, we dig into the founding insights and the journey of launching this company - as well as their next steps for the official launch (and beyond). Show Notes: Avelo: https://www.avelorunning.com Royi Metser: https://www.linkedin.com/in/royi-metser-6886a211/ Avelo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/avelorunning/ Inside Tracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/ Peter Ruppe: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pruppe/ Kickstarter (launching June 24): https://kickstarter.com/ Whoop Article (Allison Lynch): https://notaconversationalpace.substack.com/p/whoop-the-best-wearable-in-the-world BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Oura Ring: https://ouraring.com/ The Outdoor Archive: https://www.thamesandhudsonusa.com/books/the-outdoor-archive-the-ultimate-collection-of-adventure-and-sporting-graphics-illustrations-and-gear-hardcover Substack - How I Built This: https://podcasts.apple.com/cz/podcast/substack-chris-best-and-hamish-mckenzie/id1150510297?i=1000705886619 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Colleen Quigley is no stranger to racing - competing at the highest level in the Olympics. After accomplishing some big goals, Colleen has turned her attention to a new goal: founding Meridia, a track team with a completely different setup that focuses on the individual talents and gives them room and resources to thrive. Steeple Squigs: https://www.instagram.com/steeple_squigs/ Peace Over Podiums: https://www.colleenquigley.org/peace-over-podiums The Second Mountain (book): https://amzn.to/4dNjX7J Alexi Pappas: https://www.instagram.com/alexipappas/ Juli Benson (Coach): https://julibensontraining.com/ Athena Pledge: https://www.teamwass.com/news/four-major-brands-introduce-the-athena-pledge-catalyzing-unprecedented-investment-research-and-access-in-womens-sports/ Berk Communications: https://www.berkcommunications.com/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Snow League: https://thesnowleague.com/ Don't Call It A Comeback (Book): https://amzn.to/3HtCSbu The Monday Mantra: https://themondaymantra.substack.com/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Doug Emslie is a global leader in the events, tradeshow, and exhibition industry. He's the former CEO of Tarsus, which sold for $1 Billion in 2023 to Informa. Now he's the Founder of Cuil Bay Capital, an investment vehicle focused on entrepreneurial event businesses. He is also one of the Co-Founders of TrailCon, the new trail running conference and festival debuting June 24th & 25th, 2025.    BPC:   Doug - Semafor Media Podcast 'Mixed Signals'   Dylan - Kilian's new YouTube Video     Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media     Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature   Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Alex King launched his brand Terignōta less than a year ago, showing the industry that it is possible to deliver high quality running apparel without breaking the bank. In this extremely transparent conversation, Alex shares all of the details of the business. As a first-time founder, Alex shares all of the lessons he's learned, as well as his plans for the future of Terignōta. Show Notes: Terignōta: https://terignota.com/ Trailmix Article: https://wearetrailmix.substack.com/p/what-if-running-apparel-was-cheaper Warby Parker HIBT Episode: https://www.npr.org/2018/03/26/586048422/warby-parker-dave-gilboa-neil-blumenthal Terignōta x Abigail West: https://terignota.com/products/abigail-west-x-crest-cap Shopify Loan Program: https://www.shopify.com/capital Outside Buyer's Guide: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/clothing-apparel/best-running-shirts-for-men/ Brand, Product, Content: Gates $100k Prize: https://go.gates.com/GBD-100k-BELTED-PURSE.html Andy Irons Film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJWIPRvtAHk HY.Q: https://www.drinkhyq.com/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Andreas Tzortzis joins Second Nature to share the insights from writing "Not A Playbook" alongside WeTransfer founder Damian Bradfield. Having just returned from India, the conversation starts with a discussion around emerging markets and the brands within them - and how they can borrow the approach from WeTransfer and the lessons in "Not A Playbook". Show Notes: Andreas Tzortzis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreas-tzortzis-2b53734/ Brand New Story: https://brandnewstory.substack.com/ Not A Playbook: https://www.notaplaybook.com/ Not A Playbook on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7iOjuBbBCmhU5nVhcE9vgY Rizz Ahmed: https://www.instagram.com/rizahmed/ FKA Twigs: https://www.instagram.com/fkatwigs/ The Red Bulletin: https://www.redbull.com/us-en/theredbulletin/collections/the-red-bulletin Red Bulletin Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/red-bull-risk-made-me-do-it/id1165192147 Exiting The Friend Zone: https://archive.ph/2025.03.03-124640/https://www.tank.tv/magazine/issue-102/features/exiting-the-friend-zone Paynter Brand: https://paynter.co.uk/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: A Time Of Gifts (Book): https://amzn.to/44NQE2q Creative Selection (Book): https://amzn.to/4dqm15n Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Eric Lagerstrom recently released "Look For Things Where You Can Find Them" - a film that gave him the opportunity to share his perspective on triathlon outside the tape of a traditional race course. Not only did he achieve that, but he dramatically raised the bar for the entire endurance sports community. Eric Lagerstrom and Paula Findlay have been building a large community with That Triathlon Life (TTL) and this film was a project that Eric has been chasing for a while. We sat down for a conversation about the creation of the film, the audience reception, and what's next. Show Notes: Look For Things Where You Can Find Them (Film): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nP5DPirgnE TTL: https://www.instagram.com/that.triathlonlife/ Lionel Sanders: https://www.instagram.com/lsanderstri/ Paula Findlay: https://www.instagram.com/paula_findlay/ Ötillö: https://otilloswimrun.com/ Extreme Triathlon: https://xtri-series.com/ Red Bull Solstice Sessions: https://www.redbull.com/us-en/triathlon-eric-lagerstrom-solstice-sessions Brand, Product, Content (BPC): Foreign Rider: https://www.foreignrider.com/ Foreign Rider TTL Collab: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DF5e3-DRDkk/ Yowamushi Pedal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpRDYrFpdTU Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Yuri Hauswald has kept one foot in both worlds for the better part of two decades: working professional and professional athlete. As the Elite Athlete and Community Manager for GU Energy Labs, Yuri has the perspective for aspiring athletes, as well as athletes looking to make moves for the next stage in their career. Aaron and Yuri compare notes on their experiences working with athletes - and how they both came to the same conclusion about the future of athlete marketing. Show Notes: Yuri Hauswald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuri-hauswald-b52046a/ GU Energy Labs: https://guenergy.com/ Bear Development Team: https://www.beardevteam.com/ What's The Rusch: https://www.rebeccarusch.com/whats-the-rusch-podcast Payson Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/payson-mcelveen-and-the-cauldron-of-content/id1737242598?i=1000701249647 Harlem Run: https://www.harlemrun.com/ Unbound Gravel: https://www.unboundgravel.com/ Camelbak Chase Vest: https://www.camelbak.com/shop/packs/bike/chase-bike-vest-50-oz/CB-2414.html Horizons - Yuri's film project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaIsu2aeCSI Lost On Purpose: https://vimeo.com/701357507 Time Well Spent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiaJd8G61r8 Look For Things Where You Can Find Them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nP5DPirgnE Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Second Nature Turns 100! We made it! 100 episodes in just over a year of podcasting, and we are so grateful to everyone for listening, contributing, and joining us on this journey. Episode 100 is an AMA-style episode with questions provided by the Second Nature community - and it includes an important announcement about the future of the podcast. Thanks again for being here for the past 100 episodes - onwards and upwards to the next 100! Show Notes: Uplift: https://www.shiftactivemedia.com/uplift/ KORE Outdoors Podcast: https://koreoutdoors.org/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Sharon Lokedi: https://www.instagram.com/shazrine/ Terignōta x Abigail West: https://terignota.com/products/abigail-west-x-crest-cap Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Jason Bolt has successfully built and sold companies in the outdoor industry, but more importantly, he's been a mentor to many well-known brands in the space. As the founder of Revant Optics, he shares his journey, complete with the ups and downs along the way. This conversation ends with a powerful call to action for the entire outdoor industry, offering a solution to taking care of the outdoor playgrounds that we all know and love. Jason Bolt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonbolt/ Revant: https://www.revantoptics.com/ Society43: https://society43.com/ Evo: https://www.evo.com/ 5 Stages of Business: https://hbr.org/1983/05/the-five-stages-of-small-business-growth 16 Personalities: https://www.16personalities.com/ Shwood: https://shwoodshop.com/ Josué Rivas: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josuefoto/ Arkema: https://www.arkema.com/usa/en/product/technicalpolymers/rilsan-family-products/rilsan-pa11/ Foto Foto: https://fotofoto.io/   Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Lisa Hassig is the Global Brand + Sports Partnerships Director for AG1. While AG1 has partnered with some of the biggest athletes and creators on their partnerships, we took the conversation in a slightly different direction to share the lifecycle of a collaboration. There are five distinct phases to a solid partnership, and in today's episode, Lisa shares her best practices (and some stories) for each step of the journey. Show Notes: Lisa Hassig: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisahassig/ AG1: https://drinkag1.com/ Airport AG1: https://www.instagram.com/p/DDGQJtVuyKO/ Ripper (Golf Team): https://www.livgolf.com/ripper-gc/roster SailGP Partnership: https://sailgp.com/news/25/ag1-united-states-announce-new-partnership Christina Lustenberger: https://www.instagram.com/christinalusti/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Pelotan Sun Protection: https://pelotan.cc/ Prenuvo: https://prenuvo.com/ (Use Aaron's code to get $300 off: 1deme ) Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Daniel Marrett is the global Director of Marketing and Strategy at Ciele, and has been with the brand for nearly six years as they've gone through every iteration to arrive at this point. During the conversation, we learn the origin of the name, dig into the expansion beyond hats, and go deep on what it truly means to collaborate as a brand. Show Notes: Daniel Marrett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmarrett/ Ciele: https://cieleathletics.com/ Aaron's new pants: https://cieleathletics.com/products/u-evdpant-bluebird BPC: Raide LF 2L: https://raideresearch.com/collections/trail-shop-all Nick Denton - Semafor podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/nick-dentons-surprising-return-courtesy-of-elon-musk/id1746776326?i=1000701219273 Ryan Holiday Conspiracy (book): https://amzn.to/4jjjZ8R Dustin Klein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjJ4hYSunq4 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Christina Henderson, the director of both The Running Event and Switchback, joins Second Nature to talk about the behind the scenes of two important events in the outdoor industry. As a 10-year veteran of TRE, she shares stories and details about the event - as well as the future of Switchback, a show that is focused on the outdoor industry (running and beyond) that is launching as a standalone event this June in Nashville. Show Notes: Christina Henderson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christina-henderson-7b58b561/ Switchback: https://www.switchbackevent.com/ The Running Event: https://www.therunningevent.com/ OIA: https://outdoorindustry.org/ Diversified: https://www.divcom.com/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Untamed (book): https://amzn.to/3EloAZi The Speed Project: https://www.instagram.com/thespeedproject/ Tommie Runz: https://www.tommierunz.com/ Inside Tracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/ The Art of Gathering (book): https://amzn.to/42ntjBK Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Sam Degenhard is the Founder and CEO of Campfire Ranch. Like most of us, Sam dreamed of one day launching a business in the outdoor industry. His approach to taking "the leap" involved graduate school, using the dedicated time to hone his concept and approach, preparing as best he could for the launch of the business. As things typically go, the universe had a different timeline in mind. Find out how Sam dealt with an accelerated timeline, what he's learned since then, and how he envisions the future of the business. Show Notes: Campfire Ranch: https://campfireranch.co/ Sam Degenhard: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samdegenhard/ Unreasonable Hospitality (book): https://amzn.to/3Y95vQH BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Baldface Lodge: https://www.nelsonkootenaylake.com/listing/baldface-lodge MAVRIX Game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2926900/MAVRIX_by_Matt_Jones/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Arc'teryx has officially launched a line of trail running footwear, created in collaboration with their athletes. Josh Herr and Kat Drew join the podcast to talk about the process of bringing Arc'teryx's new footwear to life, how they incorporated athlete feedback, and the future of product development in trail running. Arc'teryx: https://arcteryx.com/ Josh Herr: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-herr-1b6b0a1/ Kat Drew: https://www.instagram.com/katdrew/ Adam Campbell: https://www.instagram.com/adamo1979/ Alana Yip: https://www.instagram.com/alannah_yip/ Ovi Garcia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ovidiog/ Greg Hill: https://www.instagram.com/_greghill_/ Baden-Powell Trail: https://www.vancouvertrails.com/trails/baden-powell-deep-cove-to-lynn-canyon/ Protos Of The Gram: https://www.instagram.com/protosofthegram/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Sapiens (book): https://amzn.to/4487J6N Rick Rubin Substack: https://substack.com/@rickrubin Modern Elder Academy: https://www.meawisdom.com/workshop/superage-fitness-own-your-fitness-own-your-future/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Two of the biggest events in the bike industry are the Life Time Grand Prix and Sea Otter Classic, and today's guest is Sarah Stutman, who has played a big role in both of them. We dive into mass participation events, where growth is happening in the endurance event space, and what the future looks like for mountain biking, gravel racing and trail running. Show Notes: Sarah Stutman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahstutman/ Life Time Grand Prix: https://www.lifetimegrandprix.com/ Sea Otter Classic: https://www.seaotterclassic.com/ Payson on Second Nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUmQ6qA6Fo8 Bahram Akradi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bahramakradi/ Alabama Event: https://news.lifetime.life/2025-03-28-Life-Time-Announces-New-Mountain-Bike-and-Run-Event-Coldwater-Trail-in-Northeast-Alabama-on-Oct-24-25 Innovate Alabama: https://innovatealabama.org/ Gravity Logic: https://www.whistlergravitylogic.com/ Industry Connect: https://www.seaotterclassic.com/industry-connect/ Full Swing (Trailer): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0npETF4PY   BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Melanzana: https://melanzana.com/ Final Boss Sour: https://finalbosssour.com/ The Lebronversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0OetsEZ7A Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

After the recent discussion about Outside, we realized that we had more to say - and more appropriately, a more constructive discussion about how we would look at the situation and handle it if it were up to us. It's a back-and-forth about open versus closed content ecosystems - as well as a callback to a favorite Galaxy Brain idea that we've been kicking around. Escape Collective Article: https://escapecollective.com/theres-a-wildfire-outside/ PinkBike: https://pinkbike.com ReconMTB: https://reconmtb.com Billy Oppenheimer Newsletter: https://billyoppenheimer.com/newsletter/ Smart Magic: https://www.smartmagic.com/ Barbarian Days (Book): https://amzn.to/43okhXr   Brand, Product, Content (BPC): Not A Playbook (Book): https://www.fupe.wtf/projects/not-a-playbook Brand New Story: https://brandnewstory.substack.com/p/31-writing-a-brands-story Chianti Race Recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVO1JXPGnk   Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Max Lenk joined X-Bionic three years ago as the established brand was transitioning into its next phase. Or as Max calls it: "the re-startup". Max and the X-Bionic team have brought meaningful evolution to the brand, most recently launching a footwear category with their Terraskin trail running shoes. Max Lenk: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maximilian-lenk-1abba4152/ X-Bionic: https://www.x-bionic.com/ Sam Altman - Focus and Intensity: https://article.voxsnap.com/ycombinator/focus X-Bionic Terraskin: https://www.x-bionic.com/en-us/collections/trail-running/products/x-bionic-terraskin-x00-c ISPO Award: https://www.ispo.com/en/promotion/ispo-award-winner-x-bionic-terraskin-x00-c Sebastian Steudtner (Surfer): https://www.instagram.com/xbionic/reel/C58eqJRIyzy/   Brand, Product, Content (BPC): Marco Odermatt: https://www.instagram.com/marcoodermatt/ Deity Dark Room: https://www.deitycomponents.com/ Portal Brand: https://portal-brand.com Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Payson McElveen is a professional mountain biker, gravel racer and podcaster - host of With Pace (previously known as The Adventure Stache). During this discussion, Payson shares his approach to business as an athlete and podcaster, comparing notes on his journey as a media operator in the outdoor industry with Dylan and Aaron. Show Notes: Payson McElveen: https://www.instagram.com/paysonmcelveen/ Payson's Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DJhVL3faEez1BvoaqVGRc?si=086c240f0acb4b84 Payson - Crossing Iceland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgY3peQIzNA Osprey: https://www.osprey.com/ Sasha DiGiulian: https://www.instagram.com/sashadigiulian/ Lifetime Gravel: https://www.lifetimegrandprix.com/ Broc Raiford: https://www.instagram.com/brocraiford/   Brand, Product, Content: Sahara Gravel Race: https://www.instagram.com/sahara_gravel/ The Five Year Journal: https://amzn.to/41rFsVJ Anton's Journals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQo_qSuwv28 Telepathy Tapes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-telepathy-tapes/id1766382649 Five Ten BOA Shoes: http://jenson.sjv.io/55nmNb Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Nathan Helming co-founded The Run Experience during the early days of YouTube, when ideas like the creator economy - or even the monetization of content - were part of the equation. Nathan and his team built the channel, coaching, subscription and membership platform for nearly eight years before moving to an acquisition. In today's discussion, Nathan shares the entire lifecycle of the business, from beginning to end. Nathan Helming: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-helming/ The Run Experience: https://www.youtube.com/therunexperience Kelly Starrett: https://www.youtube.com/@TheReadyState Sage Canaday: https://www.youtube.com/@Vo2maxProductions Ginger Runner: https://www.youtube.com/@TheGingerRunner Casey Neistat - Digital Spaghetti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exk8GrGwxGs Patrick Crawford Article: https://zerodraft.substack.com/p/creators-are-the-new-founders Runna: https://www.runna.com/ The True Cost Of YouTube: https://substack.com/home/post/p-156691960 Nick Bare: https://www.youtube.com/@nickbarefitness   Brand, Product, Content: Chris Voss - Never Split The Difference: https://amzn.to/3DrBS63 Skratch Grape: https://www.skratchlabs.com/products/energy-chews-sport-fuel?variant=41509663211591 Jonathan Levitt Pod: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brand-vs-performance-marketing/id1737242598?i=1000673992404 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Second Nature turns 1 year old on March 22, 2025 and a lot has happened in the outdoor industry during that time. Two specific topics came up this past week, and we wanted to take some time to discuss the impact on the industry: OnlyFans supporting athletes and Outside's latest news cycle. An interesting time for the outdoor industry, to say the least. Show Notes: Big Alta: https://www.daybreakracing.com/big-alta-50k Sabrina Stanley: https://www.instagram.com/sabrinaleannstanley/ Escape Collective Article: https://escapecollective.com/theres-a-wildfire-outside/ Ikigai (Book): https://amzn.to/4hgIgeq Brand, Product, Content: Eric's Film (Trailer): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avuV-EKwQz8 Anton x La Sportiva: https://www.instagram.com/p/DHEAYSPOu_j/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Jake Thomas is the wizard at one of the most important, but also most commonly overlooked skills in brand building. He writes the Creator Hooks newsletter and founded Creator Hooks Pro, a software service that helps brands and creators tackle impactful copywriting. His primary focus is YouTube titles - but that same skill set applies to all forms of writing where capturing attention is the primary objective. Show Notes: Jake Thomas: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-thomas-creator-hooks/ Creator Hooks: https://creatorhooks.com/ Creator Hooks Pro: https://pro.creatorhooks.com/ Salt Strong: https://www.youtube.com/user/saltstrong Jake's Think Media Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU-xcCGCNQ4   Brand, Product, Content: Age of Propaganda: https://amzn.to/4inawNf Cashvertising: https://amzn.to/4inawNf Pre-suasion: https://amzn.to/43tKqE2 The Adweek Copywriting Handbook: https://amzn.to/4bq0jgY The Five Year Journal: https://amzn.to/41rFsVJ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Kate Courtney entered a new era when she launched her own race team to bring visibility to her foundation, She Sends. In this podcast, we dig into the previous eras that led up to this one - starting with her entry into the sport of mountain biking, her life-changing world championship win, and the behind the scenes effort that has gotten her to this stage of her career. Show Notes: Kate Courtney: https://instagram.com/kateplusfate She Sends Foundation: https://shesends.it The Growth Equation: https://thegrowtheq.com/farewell-podcast/ The Obstacle Is The Way: https://amzn.to/3QGR4Q1 The Second Mountain: https://amzn.to/4iq1EXf The Art Of Possibility: https://amzn.to/4ilVSpC   Brand, Product, Content: Lachlan Morton - In One Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJlFYPCKqNM Dungeon Crawler Carl (Book): https://amzn.to/4kt9jpx Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Elisa Schaller is the North American Director of Brand/Product of Outdoor at adidas. She has been with the brand through many iterations - both overseas and domestically - for over a decade. In addition to the brand story, we get a closer look behind-the-scenes of Terrex, her team, and her career. Show Notes: Elisa Schaller: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisa-schaller/ adidas Terrex: https://www.adidas.com/us/men-trail_running-shoes Five Ten: https://www.adidas.com/us/five_ten Freehiker Shoe: https://www.adidas.com/us/free_hiker Danny MacAskill on campus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70NBZV6z_o0 Brand, Product, Content: Rebecca Rusch - What's The Rusch Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whats-the-rusch/id1795769843 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

TrailCon is returning to Tahoe again this year, and with it, some big updates for the event's second year. First, a major partnership announcement, followed by insight and expectations for the two day event (including Dylan, Aaron and Steve's roles in it). TrailCon: https://trailconference.com/ Consumer Insights Pod with Steve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYc_b60sejc Zero Draft Article: https://zerodraft.substack.com/p/creators-are-the-new-founders Slow Ventures Creator Fund: https://creatorfund.co/ Nat Eliason: https://x.com/nateliason Fast Cash vs Slow Equity: https://blog.nateliason.com/p/fast-cash-slow-equity Colin + Samir - Jack Conte: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNYw32X-WAU Job Of The Week - Raide: https://raideresearch.com/pages/jobs   Brand, Product, Content: Bergeon Outdoor: https://www.burgeonoutdoor.com/ The Kona Brand: https://www.thekonabrand.com/ David Bar: https://amzn.to/4koU5SA Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Steve Holmberg spent nearly two decades helping Nike stay competitive by driving innovation through market research and consumer insights. He believes every discussion for a brand should start with the consumer in mind, and shares not only his insights - but the single phrase that helped set up those conversations to drive the brand forward. He now runs Insight Accelerator, giving more brands and people access to his unique window to innovation and competition. This episode is an absolute masterclass for harnessing consumer insights to drive results for brands and businesses at every stage of development. Show Notes: Steve Holmberg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenholmberg/ Insight Accelerator: https://www.stephenholmberg.com/ Steve's Substack: https://steveholmberg.substack.com/ Performance Marketing 101: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4GWhpYsx48 Hero's Journey: https://www.jcf.org/learn/joseph-campbell-heros-journey Breaking 2: https://www.nike.com/running/breaking2/ Soft Wins - On: https://www.on.com/en-us/explore/soft-wins Petzl GriGri: https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Belay-Devices-And-Descenders/GRIGRI How I Built This: https://www.npr.org/series/490248027/how-i-built-this BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Brandon Semenuk "La La Land": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEFPfRkVVY Half Days Brand: https://www.halfdays.com/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Jonathan Retseck founded RXR Sports to work with athletes, explorers and storytellers in outdoor brands. It didn't take long before RXR amassed what is arguably the dream team of athletes under management. Alex Honnold, Jimmy Chin, Rich Roll and many more are part of their stacked roster of talent. But the story goes well beyond the transactional nature of sponsorship - what RXR does to build deep partnerships with intention has led to some incredible media output, the most well known being films like Free Solo and Meru. In this unfiltered conversation with Jonathan, we talk about the founding of the agency and the challenges of maintaining a roster as heavy as theirs. Show Notes: Jonathan Retseck: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanretseck/ RXR Sports: https://www.rxrsports.com/ Jimmy Chin: https://www.instagram.com/jimmychin/ Meru (Film): https://www.merufilm.com/ Free Solo (Film): https://films.nationalgeographic.com/free-solo Kate Courtney: https://www.instagram.com/kateplusfate She Sends Racing: https://www.shesends.it/ RXR Speakers: https://www.rxrsports.com/live Voicing Change Media: https://www.voicingchange.media/ BPC: Brand, Product, Content Shane Parrish - The Knowledge Project: https://www.youtube.com/@tkppodcast Farnum Street: https://fs.blog/newsletter/ Clear Thinking (Book): https://fs.blog/clear/ Small Brand Mentality (Channel): https://smallbrandmentality.substack.com/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Darren Rayner, Founder and Head Of Creative at Magnafire, produces content for some of the biggest brands in the world. His agency has developed incredibly strong performing short form content for brands like Red Bull and Arc'teryx, helping them grow massively on platforms like Instagram and TikTok. In today's episode, we approach the content strategy and production mindset that sets Magnafire apart, and we get an inside look at the discussions happening behind the scenes to bring that content to life. Show Notes: Darren Rayner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darren-rayner-8b90384/ Magnafire: https://www.magnafiremedia.com/ Voleurz: https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/A-Voleurz Content Pyramid Video: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/darren-rayner-8b90384_contentstrategy-digitalmarketing-audienceengagement-activity-7252355122704338944-wk6Z Mountain Gazette: https://www.magnafiremedia.com/work/MG202/ Arc'teryx Case Study: https://www.magnafiremedia.com/work/holiday2024/ Quebec - Finn Isles: https://www.magnafiremedia.com/work/finn-iles-purest-line/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Hettas: https://hettas.com/ Rafa Ortiz - Lobster Falls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlsGHo5Rjh8 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Patrick Crawford has had a legendary run in the outdoor industry - launching Freeskier magazine, followed by one of the original athlete social agencies, Inkwell. During his time leading Inkwell, he worked with the top outdoor athletes in the world - as well as the brands that supported them - to launch massive projects, the Free Solo film among many others on the list. Find out what Patrick has to say about the state of Athlete and Brand social - both its history as well as its future. Show Notes: Patrick Crawford: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickrcrawford/ Cadence Media Strategy: https://www.cadencemediastrategy.com/ Zero Draft: https://zerodraft.substack.com/ Freeskier: https://freeskier.com/ Patrick - Origin Outside Interview: https://www.originoutside.com/insights/influencers-vs-content-creators-whos-winning-in-25 Scott Galloway: https://profgmedia.com/ Zero Click Internet: https://www.techspot.com/article/2908-the-zero-click-internet/ Free Solo Film: https://films.nationalgeographic.com/free-solo BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Invisible Rulers (Book): https://amzn.to/3X4e0w9 Everybody Lies (Book): https://amzn.to/41hhJc8 DuoLingo Owl Killed: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/13/nx-s1-5295597/duolingo-owl-mascot-death Billy Oppenheimer Newsletter: https://billyoppenheimer.com/february-9-2025/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Martina Brimmer founded Swift Industries 17 years ago in the basement of a punk house. Over those years, she held on to a rollercoaster of ups and downs as the business grew, adapted and survived to meet market demand. After the softening of the cycling industry post-pandemic, Martina had to make some big decisions for the survival of the business, and this incredibly transparent conversation is an honest recountain of the lessons learned and insights gained. Show Notes: Swift Industries: https://builtbyswift.com/ Swift Industries Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/swiftindustries/ Revelate Designs: https://www.revelatedesigns.com/ Goldman Sachs Small Business Program: https://www.goldmansachs.com/community-impact/10000-small-businesses/ Jason Goodman: https://www.instagram.com/swift_getlost_academy/ Get Lost Adventure Series: https://builtbyswift.com/blogs/the-swift-industries-blog/sign-up-for-swift-industries-get-lost-academy Swift Social Ride: https://builtbyswift.com/pages/swift-social-ride Stoked Spoke Adventure Series: https://gearhouse.eventcalendarapp.com/u/49431/358272 Swift Campout: https://builtbyswift.com/blogs/the-swift-industries-blog/the-campout-navigators-color-the-valley Founded Outdoors: https://foundedoutdoors.com/ BPC: Brand, Product, Content: Topo Designs: https://topodesigns.com/ DB Clay DIY Wallet: https://www.dbclay.com/dtwk/p/black Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Jeff Pelletier is an established filmmaker, content creator and successful agency owner - among many other things. He sits down with Aaron to compare notes on the YouTube journey and provides insights and actionable advice for other aspiring content creators looking to build a community. Show Notes: Jeff Pelletier: https://www.youtube.com/@JeffPelletier Jeff's Website: https://jeffpelletier.com/ BaseTwo Media: https://videoforbusiness.ca/ Billy Yang: https://www.billyyang.com/ Crunchlabs: https://www.crunchlabs.com/ Beau Miles: https://www.youtube.com/beaumiles BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Jenny Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@JennyTough_ Jenny's Book - Solo: https://amzn.to/4jRbcfl DJI Osmo Pocket 3: https://amzn.to/4hQyMap DJI Lav Microphones: https://amzn.to/3EuXO0t Snickers Protein Bars: https://amzn.to/3EqkO0s Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Cassie Abel is the founder and CEO of Wild Rye, a brand that celebrates the duality of athletes with gear for both snow and mountain biking. In this podcast, we dive into the history of the brand as she launched with a co-founder, looked for signals that they were on the right track, and rode the exhausting rollercoaster of manufacturing, marketing and everything in between as the brand experienced growth. Find out how a Craiglist post became an inflection point for the brand - and where the brand is headed next! Show Notes: Wild Rye: https://wild-rye.com/ Cassie Abel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassie-abel-5853787/ Women-Led Wednesday: https://womenledwednesday.com/ How I Built This - Sara Blakely: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spanx-sara-blakely/id1150510297?i=1000396023160 How I Built This - Whitney Wolfe: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bumble-whitney-wolfe-2017/id1150510297?i=1000436036734 Tory Burch Foundation: https://www.toryburchfoundation.org/ Title Nine: https://www.titlenine.com/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Salomon QST Skis: https://www.salomon.com/en-us/shop/sports/alpine-skiing/skis/freeride.html Eliot Jackson - "Ode To LA": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDthZQI7G4c Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Founder and publisher of Like The Wind magazine, Simon Freeman, joins the podcast to talk about media models and the different approaches that are available to explore for media operators. Show Notes: Like The Wind: https://www.likethewindmagazine.com/ Mario Fraioli: https://themorningshakeout.com/ Surfers Journal: https://www.surfersjournal.com/ Jonathan Levitt Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4GWhpYsx48 The Rebooting: https://www.therebooting.com/ Wirecutter: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/ Matt Trappe's Article: https://substack.com/home/post/p-155444935 Red Bull Content Pool: https://www.redbullcontentpool.com/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Sponsor Magnet (Book): https://amzn.to/4hFkxoT The Purple Runner (Book): https://amzn.to/3EoBBkI American Football: https://www.nfl.com/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Reflecting on the recent pod with the co-founders of Skratch, Dylan and Aaron take a closer look at their approach to running their own businesses. Leadership, profit versus impact, scaling versus staying small, funding and business models. Maybe most important - what time horizon are we using to make all these decisions - are we truly playing the infinite game? Show Notes: Freetrail: https://www.freetrail.com Super Rider: https://www.youtube.com/@SuperRiderTV Gary Keller "The One Thing" (Book): https://amzn.to/4hCpBdy RXR Sports: https://www.rxrsports.com/ Voicing Change: https://www.voicingchange.media/#home Job Of The Week: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/director-of-partnerships-at-voicing-change-media-4128241311/ Rich Roll x Steve Magnus Podcast: https://www.richroll.com/podcast/steve-magness-887/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: The Heart Speaks (Book): https://amzn.to/4jD33et Chipotle x Strava Challenge: https://citychallenge.chipotle.com/ The Battle For Burritos: https://runningmagazine.ca/the-scene/arizona-ultrarunners-battle-in-ridiculous-strava-challenge/ Jamil Coury Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/1055184 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Skratch won our award for "Brand Of The Year" in 2024, and the main reason was because we respected their approach to playing the infinite game: making decisions rooted in long term stability. So many brands in their position would angle for acquisition and an exit strategy, but that is not on their radar. The discipline and vision that it takes to stay true to that ethos is evident in this conversation with co-founders Allen Lim and Ian MacGregor. Show Notes: Skratch: https://skratchlabs.com 2024 Year In Review (Blog): https://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/life-skills/2024-year-in-review Vern Harnish - Scaling Up: https://amzn.to/4jN5VWq McGuckin Hardware: https://www.mcguckin.com/ Zingerman's Guide: https://amzn.to/4azJrnv The Infinite Game: https://amzn.to/42B52dq Christina Chase - MIT Sports Lab: https://sportslab.mit.edu/ Peter Kim - Applied Exercise Science: https://www.colorado.edu/iphy/research Skratch in Paris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyPGaQHvF6c Skratch Cafe: https://www.skratchlabs.com/pages/cafe Chef Biju Thomas: https://www.instagram.com/bijuthechef/ BPC: Brand, Product, Content Ian - Integrating Ski Areas: https://coloradosun.com/2024/11/26/nederland-vying-to-buy-eldora/ Allen - Bosch E-Bikes: https://www.bosch-ebike.com/us/ebikes Aaron - Gawx x Digital Spaghetti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDAqyQIaUPY Dylan - Aaron Rogers "Enigma": https://www.netflix.com/title/81757010 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Dylan and Aaron reconnect to share the different approaches they are taking toward success in the outdoor industry in 2025 - digging into goals, frameworks and vision (and then some). They also riff on the new team launched by Kate Courtney (She Sends Racing) and why it matters a lot more than just the typical factory sponsorship announcement. Show Notes: Kate Courtney: She Sends Racing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ptuCHv_adE Alex Honnold Foundation: https://www.honnoldfoundation.org/ She Sends Foundation: https://www.shesends.it/ Kilian's Foundation: https://www.kilianjornetfoundation.org/ Be Good Foundation: https://www.thebegoodfoundation.org/ Protect Our Winters: https://protectourwinters.org/ James Jackson - Mantle Mindset: https://www.instagram.com/mantlemindset/ Atomic Habits: https://protectourwinters.org/ Entrepreneur Operating System: https://www.eosworldwide.com/ Aaron's Cold Brew Setup: https://amzn.to/4jIo9bA Alpine Start: https://alpinestartfoods.com/ BPC - Brand, Product, Content: DB Clay: Begin Again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpMCoBUEQ2Q Freetrail: Begin Again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgUoVvMB2ns Never Second - C30: https://never2.com/products/c30-energy-gel-12ct-60ml Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Allison Lynch has the depth of experience that most marketers could only dream of having. As an early employee at Whoop, she had hands-on involvement in all the levers of marketing (and beyond). Athletes and content ended up becoming a big part of her role, which put her squarely in competition with Second Nature host, Aaron Lutze (who lead content + community at Oura). With both roles in their past, this episode is a chance for them to regroup and compare notes on their experiences - as well as what it taught them about the future of marketing. Show Notes: Allison's website: https://www.allisonmary.com/ Allison Lynch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/allison-lynch-76b48652/ Allison's Substack: https://notaconversationalpace.substack.com/ Whoop: https://www.whoop.com/ Oura: https://ouraring.com/ Allison's Article on Matter Of Brand: https://amatterofbrand.substack.com/p/influencers-vs-athletes-the-bubble Sara Vaughn: https://www.youtube.com/@smevaughn Mali Noyes: https://www.youtube.com/@malinoyes BPC - Brand, Product, Content: Saucony x Minted: https://mintednewyork.com/products/speed4 Salomon x Kith: https://kith.com/collections/salomon Gabby x Vogue: https://www.vogue.com/article/how-sports-and-fashion-fell-in-love-angel-reese-gabby-thomas-frances-tiafoe Hoka - Run Stop Corner Shop: https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a63441861/hoka-run-stop-corner-shop/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

It's one thing to build a following around your own social media account, but an entirely different task to do it for a brand. Christian Peper has done both - and not only that, he's launching a bootcamp to help other creators follow in his footsteps. Last month, he shared Dialed Creator with the world, which we think is going to play a big role in reshaping the athlete approach to content creation. Show Notes: Christian Peper: https://www.instagram.com/christian.peper/ Dialed Creator: https://dialedcreator.com/ Westpaw Media: https://westpawmedia.com/ Motion App: https://www.usemotion.com/ Aaron's Dry Erase Calendar: https://amzn.to/4hjxXXm Owen Timm: https://www.instagram.com/sendy_lu_hoo/ Zoic: https://zoic.com/ Carter Metcalfe: https://www.instagram.com/carter_metcalfe_mtb/ BPC: Jesse Dickson: https://www.instagram.com/sacramentofoodforest/ Dangerbean_55: https://www.instagram.com/dangerbean_55/ Natural Selection Tour - Bike: https://www.naturalselectiontour.com/nst-bike/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Corrine Malcolm has created her own path as an athlete, podcaster, livestream host, and coach. She joins the conversation on Second Nature this week on the cusp of the next evolution of her career is about to unfold. 2025 predictions, athlete and brand insights, and plenty more. Show Notes: Corrine Malcolm: https://www.instagram.com/corrinemalcolm/ Paris Gore: https://parisgore.com/ Trail Society: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trail-society/id1579961692 Parity Now: https://paritynow.co/ Emily Kraus: https://www.instagram.com/emilykrausmd/ Hannah Allground: https://www.instagram.com/shesallgood21/ The Fame Gap: https://sponsorship.org/new-research-reveals-the-fame-gap-challenge-facing-womens-sport/ Matter Of Brand: https://open.substack.com/pub/amatterofbrand/p/the-state-of-influencers-in-running Women Reviewing Shoes: https://www.youtube.com/@GetOutThereGear / https://www.youtube.com/@Runningshoesgurucom Corrine's Coaching: https://foothillsendurance.com/ BPC: Allie Olstrander: https://www.youtube.com/@allie_ostrander Zero Draft: https://zerodraft.substack.com/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Spencer Harkins has been the VP of Brand at Pit Viper since 2017, and in this episode we get into all the stories of where the brand started, their clever strategy for coming up with ideas and campaigns, and how they are serious about taking things less seriously. We highly recommend that you check out this episode on the Second Nature YouTube channel, there are some visuals that you don't want to miss! Show Notes: Spencer Harkins: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencerharkins/ Pit Viper Website: https://www.pitviper.com Pit Viper Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pit_viper/ Chuck Mumford: https://www.instagram.com/buckmanford/?hl=en Chris Garcin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/garcin/ Kickstarter - Pit Viper: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pitviper/the-pit-viper-revolution Kirt Voreis: https://www.instagram.com/kirtvoreis_allride/ (Ian Gates) KRDG Law Firm: https://krdglaw.com/ Pit Viper Synthesizer: https://www.pitviper.com/collections/the-synthesizer Gronk x PV: https://www.pitviper.com/products/the-gronk-merika-2000?variant=40403320340574 Larry Enticer: https://www.instagram.com/larryenticer/ Dirty Soda Recipe: https://www.instagram.com/pit_viper/reel/DCxMplxStik/ BPC: ProLab One Flush Septic Tank: https://amzn.to/3WdCLFy Second Mountain (Book): https://amzn.to/4gQpLhr American Denim (Matt Sharkey's Book): https://amzn.to/429r7zj Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Matt Sims comes from an incredible background of working with athletes and developing sports marketing programs at brands like Lululemon and Fox Racing. Over the past year, he's put everything he's learned into launching a new brand: courier. We dig into the insights and effort that went into putting the right team together, as well as what it took to get the brand launched. Courier socks are all about sensation, and we want you to experience the full range. That's why we're offering a special deal for the Second Nature crew: when you purchase one of our HiFi or LoFi socks, we'll throw in a pair of the opposite sensation sock to try out—so you can explore both options. https://couriersocks.com/discount/SECONDNATURE Show Notes: Matt Sims: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-sims-9b716450/ courier: https://couriersocks.com/ Matt Trappe Article: https://substack.com/home/post/p-154102103 SOS Hydration: https://soshydration.com/ Tom Mayo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-mayo-184652a/ Madeline Sims: https://www.linkedin.com/in/madeline-sims-83385823/ BPC: NeuroGum: https://neurogum.com/ Tushy: https://hellotushy.com/ Smithey Ironworks: https://smithey.com/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

We haven't figured out how to spell it yet, but at least we came through with the awards for our favorite brands, product, content and athletes. Dylan and Aaron share their favorites from the year, as well as a look at what's in store for the year ahead. Show Notes: Skratch Labs: https://www.skratchlabs.com/ Hoka: https://www.hoka.com/ Raide Research: https://raideresearch.com/ Garmin Enduro 3: https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/851039 DJI Osmo Pocket 3: https://store.dji.com/product/osmo-pocket-3 Deathgrip 2 Film: https://www.deathgrip2movie.com/ Team Sport Film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEg_p1Lw2l4 Berm Peak: https://bermpeak.substack.com/ Katie Schide: https://www.instagram.com/katieschide/ Jesse Itzler Pancake Theory: https://milled.com/jesseitzler.com/free-swim-the-first-pancake-theory-y69p39H1fz4J5aAg Hoffman Process: https://www.hoffmaninstitute.org/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

John Paradine was there on Day One of Red Bull, when the first can was officially sold in the USA. In this podcast, he shares stories about the way Red Bull established themselves in the USA - and the unorthodox ways they went about building the marketing organization (and their approach to ROI). Field Marketing was (and still is) a huge element in Red Bull's marketing mix, and on this podcast we share the insights of how anyone (brand, operator or creator) could utilize that mindset to be successful. Show Notes: John Paradine (Linked In): https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnparadine/ Robby Naish: https://www.redbull.com/us-en/athlete/robby-naish Shane McConkey: https://snowbrains.com/15-years-gone-still-inspiring-shane-mcconkey1/ Pete Moran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pete-moran-348a154/ San Francisco Peninsula: https://www.thesanfranciscopeninsula.com/ SF Peninsula Super Rider Project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHqGcGxmvGw BPC: Trail Karma (desktop version only): https://www.trailforks.com The War Of Art (book): https://amzn.to/3BVzvYq Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

What does the future hold for the outdoor industry? Matt Trappe and Steve Holmberg join Aaron on this week's podcast to share their predictions for the year ahead. Also included, hot takes and predictions from the community, and a bonus Galaxy Brain about the future of Second Nature. Show Notes: Matt Trappe (Linked In): https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-trappe/ Matt Trappe (Substack): https://amatterofbrand.substack.com/ Steve Holmberg (Linked In): https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenholmberg/ Steve Holmberg (Substack): https://steveholmberg.substack.com/ Insight Accelerator: https://www.stephenholmberg.com/ Auteur Sportif: https://auteursportif.com/   Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

The Futurist Project is an outdoor industry leadership academy that is currently accepting applications for their upcoming class. Thirty people who represent the future of the outdoor industry will be accepted to the sixth month program that includes in person, virtual and mentor-based training and support. On the podcast, Sablle Stahl and Vince Mazzuca share the details about The Futurist Academy, the application process, and what the attendees can expect. Show Notes: Sablle Stahl: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sablle/ Vince Mazzuca: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vince-mazzuca-58b14a1a/ The Futurist Project: https://thefuturistproject.com/ APPLY For The Futurist Project: https://thefuturistproject.com/pages/apply Skip Yowell: https://www.outinunder.com/content/trailblazer-skip-yowell Great Basin National Park Foundation: https://www.greatbasinfoundation.org/ Runners for Public Lands: https://runnersforpubliclands.org/ Nakoa Adventures: https://nakoaadventure.com/   Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Any elite athlete would tell you that it takes a village to support their ability to achieve their goals throughout the season. A big part of that support comes through partnerships, and in today's episode of Second Nature, we have a deep conversation about athlete partnerships with Patrick Lemieux. He's the person connecting the dots between athletes and partners for mega athletes like Lionel Sanders and Taylor Knibb, to name a few. Show Notes: Pat Lemieux: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lemieux-5a9aa91a6/ Lemieux Group: https://www.lemieux.group/ Lionel Sanders: https://www.lionelsanders.com/ Taylor Knibb: https://www.instagram.com/taylorknibb/ Kat Matthews: https://www.katrinamatthewstri.com/ Tom Pidcock Deal: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-pidcock-to-ride-a-pinarello-in-off-road-racing-but-use-a-scott-on-the-road-with-q365/ Andrew McQuaid (Agent): https://www.trinitysportsmanagement.com/andrew-mcquaid Gravel World Champs: https://ucigravelworldseries.com/en/world-championships/ T100 Series: https://t100triathlon.com/ Michael Moritz: https://www.forbes.com/profile/michael-moritz/ Chris Voss - Never Split The Difference (Book): https://amzn.to/3VHxLZu BPC: Athletic Brewing: https://athleticbrewing.com/ Pro Tri News (podcast): https://protrinews.buzzsprout.com/ Aaron's SF Tourism Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHqGcGxmvGw Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Chief Business Officer of Strava, Zip Allen, joins the podcast to talk about Strava's Year In Sport, how Strava approaches product design, and the future of the platform. We dive into the unique partnership approach that Strava pursues and how Zip's past work is informing the future of Strava.     Show Notes:     Zip on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zipporah-allen-6282721/     Strava: https://www.strava.com     Strava Year In Sport: https://press.strava.com/articles/strava-releases-annual-year-in-sport-trend     Larissa Rivers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/larissarivers/     Strava Partners: https://partners.strava.com/     VeloViewer: https://veloviewer.com/     LaCol Cycling: https://lecol.cc/pages/le-col-tour-strava-challenge     Athlete Intelligence: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/26786795557005-Athlete-Intelligence-on-Strava-Beta     Taco Bell Marathon: https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/san-francisco-taco-bell-marathon-19652016.php     Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media      Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature      Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media      Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media      Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia  

Kevin Fallon and Dave Dombrow join Second Nature today to talk about the evolution of Speedland from the early days of starting up until now. They've passed through multiple inflection points on their journey to establish the brand, and this discussion digs into the topics of focus and discipline as they build both the brand and the business.     Show Notes:     Speedland: https://www.runspeedland.com/     The Running Event: https://www.therunningevent.com/     Birkenstock Speedlands: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3seRioLqy3/     Everyone makes everything: https://www.hereandthere.club/post/everyone-makes-everything     Under Armour x Speedland Collab (Infinite Mega): https://meta-endurance.com/under-armour-2025-line-up-preview/     TNF x Skims: https://skims.com/pages/the-north-face-x-skims     Safe Notes: https://www.angellist.com/learn/safe-note     Freetrail: https://freetrail.com/     Topher Gaylord: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tophergaylord/     RX:FPY: https://run.outsideonline.com/gear/a-sneak-peek-at-the-hottest-running-shoes-coming-out-in-2025/     Don Reichelt: https://www.runspeedland.com/blogs/athletes/meet-don-reichelt-speedland-athlete     Gear Junkie Best In Show: https://gearjunkie.com/footwear/running-footwear/best-in-show-running-event-2024     Freetrail x Speedland Pod (2022): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/speedland-my-new-footwear-sponsor/id1492327668?i=1000547669554      Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media      Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature      Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media      Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media      Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia  

Stu Thomson, Founder/CEO of Cut Media, joins Second Nature to talk about the way his creative and production agency works with athletes, and how that flywheel opens doors for everyone to produce their best work. Cut Media has produced viral sports sensations like Danny MacAskill's Imaginate (94M views), The Ridge (80M views), F1 vs Drone (24M views) and plenty more.  Show Notes: Stu Thomson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuthomson/ Cut Media: https://cutmedia.com/ Industrial Revolutions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShbC5yVqOdI Inspired Bicycles - Danny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19zFlPah-o Dave Sowerby: https://www.instagram.com/davesowerby/ Danny Day Care: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj0CmnxuTaQ Drive to Survive: https://www.netflix.com/title/80204890 Santa Cruz 5010 Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95gEtoGmYWI F1 vs Drone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pEqyr_uT-k World's Best FPV Drone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OtZFWdhwQ Fresh Cuts: https://cutmedia.com/blog/introducing-fresh-cuts Screen Scotland: https://www.screen.scot/ The Ridge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ_IQS3VKjA   BPC:  Grand Slam Track: https://cutmedia.com/work/grand-slam-track Alpine Run Project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQZEcywnYok Danny Gymnasium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAEBNEscL0c   Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media  Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature  Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media  Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media  Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Michael Peters, Director of Corporate Partnerships for KOA, joins the podcast this week to share his perspective and experience around B2B partnerships. We talk about value exchange, growth vs credibility partnerships, and the best way to do cold outreach for partnerships.     Show Notes: Michael Peters: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-peters-300782b/   KOA: https://koa.com/   Outdoor Hospitality Report 2024: https://koa.com/north-american-camping-report/   Holo Footwear: https://holofootwearinc.com/collaborations/koa-campgrounds/   Hest: https://hest.com/   Sensible Weather: https://www.sensibleweather.com/   USA Bobsled Team: https://rvbusiness.com/koa-renews-partnership-with-usa-bobsled-skeleton-team/ KOA x NASCAR: https://ownakoa.com/2024/11/20/kampgrounds-of-america-inc-partners-with-jr-motorsports-bringing-camping-to-the-racetrack/   Connor Zilisch: https://www.instagram.com/connorzilisch/?hl=en     BPC: Brand - Hest: https://hest.com/   Product - Outdoor Element "Fire-biner": https://outdoorelement.com/products/firebiner-carabiner   Content - Culture Is The New Leadership (Book): https://amzn.to/3ZAblvV   Prenuvo Scan: http://www.prenuvo.com       Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

From Nike to Next Ventures, Mel Strong has mentored talent from every end of the spectrum - leading giant teams at Nike in their women's, running and skateboarding divisions, and now investing in early stage startups through Next Ventures. We dig into her history at Nike, and how that informed and motivated a big shift to the world of venture capital. In the outdoor industry, understanding the impact of a VC has many pros and cons, and in this podcast, we tackle both sides of it.   Mel Strong: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melanie-strong/   Nike SB: https://www.nike.com/skateboarding   Sandy Bodecker: https://www.sneakerfreaker.com/news/r-i-p-the-godfather-of-nike-sb-sandy-bodecker/   Breaking 2 Project: https://www.nike.com/gb/running/breaking2   Joan Benoit Samuelson: https://www.instagram.com/joanbenoitsamuelson/   Next Ventures: https://www.nextventures.com/   Oura x Dexcom News: https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/19/oura-valued-at-5b-following-deal-with-medical-device-firm-dexcom/   Oura Ring: https://ouraring.com/   Swimming With Allocators: https://swimmingwithallocators.com/   Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia