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In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss how to unlock hidden value and maximize ROI from your existing technology using AI-powered “manuals on demand.” You will discover how targeted AI research can reveal unused features in your current software, transforming your existing tools into powerful solutions. You will learn to generate specific, actionable instructions that eliminate the need to buy new, expensive technologies. You will gain insights into leveraging advanced AI agents to provide precise, reliable information for your unique business challenges. You will find out how this strategy helps your team overcome common excuses and achieve measurable results by optimizing your current tech stack. Tune in to revolutionize how you approach your technology investments. Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-how-to-improve-martech-roi-with-generative-ai.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s get a little bombastic and say, Katie, we’re gonna double everyone’s non-existent ROI on AI with the most unused—underused—feature that literally I’ve not seen anyone doing, and that is manuals on demand. A little while ago, in our AI for Market Gender VI use cases for marketers course and our mastering prompt engine for Marketers course and things like that, we were having a conversation internally with our team saying, hey, what else can we be doing to market these courses? One of the things that occurred to me as I was scrolling around our Thinkific system we used is there’s a lot of buttons in here. I don’t know what most of them do, and I wonder if I’m missing something. Christopher S. Penn – 00:53 So, I commissioned a Deep Research report in Gemini saying, hey, this is the version of Thinkific we’re on. This is the plan we’re on. Go do research on the different ways that expert course creators market their courses with the features in Thinkific. It came back with a 28-page report that we then handed off to Kelsey on our team to say, hey, go read this report and see, because it contains step-by-step instructions for things that we could be doing in the system to upsell and cross-sell our courses. As I was thinking about it, going, wow, we should be doing this more often. Christopher S. Penn – 01:28 Then a friend of mine just got a new phone, a Google Pixel phone, and is not skilled at using Google’s all the bells and whistles, but she has a very specific use case: she wants to record concert videos with it. So I said, okay, let’s create a manual for just what features of the Pixel phone are best for concerts. Create a step-by-step explanation for a non-technical user on how to get the most out of the new phone. This gets me thinking across the board with all these things that we’re already paying for: why aren’t more of us creating manuals to say, hey, rather than go buy yet another tool or piece of software, ask one of the great research agents, hey, what are we not using that we should be. Katie Robbert – 02:15 So, it sounds like a couple of different things. There’s because you’re asking the question, what are we not using that we could be, but then there’s an instruction manual. Those are kind of two different things. An instruction manual is meant to be that A to Z, here’s everything it does, versus what are we specifically not using. I feel like those are two different asks. So, I guess my first question to you is, doesn’t most software come with some kind of an instruction manual or user guide these days? Or is that just, it no longer does that. Christopher S. Penn – 02:52 It does. There’s usually extensive documentation. I misspoke. I should have said manuals on demand specifically for the thing that you want. So yes, there’s a big old binder. If you were to print out the HubSpot CRM documentation, it’d be a 900-page document. No one’s going to read that. But I could use a Deep Research tool to say, how can I use just this feature more effectively? Given here’s who Trust Insights is, here’s how our marketing was. Here’s the other tools we use. How could I use this part of HubSpot better? Instead of getting all 900 pages of the manual, I get a manual of just that thing. That’s where I think, at least for me personally, the opportunity is for stuff that we’re already paying for. Christopher S. Penn – 03:32 Why pay for yet another tool and complicate the Martech stack even more when there might be a feature that we’re already paying for that we just don’t even know is there. Katie Robbert – 03:45 It, I feel like, goes to a couple of things. One, the awareness of what you already have in front of you. So, we’re a smaller company, and so we have a really good handle on all of the tools in our tech stack. So, we have the luxury of being able to say these are the goals that we have for the business. Therefore, what can—how can we use what we already have? Whereas if you’re in a more enterprise-sized company or even a mid-sized company where things are a little bit more siloed off, that’s where those teams get into the, “well, I need to buy something to solve this problem.” Katie Robbert – 04:23 Even though the guy on the other side of the cubicle has the tech that I need because of the firewall that exists or is virtual, I can’t use it. So, I have to go buy something. And so, I feel like—I don’t know—I feel like “manual” is the wrong word. It sounds like what you’re hitting on is, “this is my ICP”, but maybe it’s a different version of an ICP. So, what we typically—how we structure ICPs—is how we can market to and sell to specific prospective customers based on their demographics, technographics, pain points, buying patterns, the indicators that a digital transformation is coming, those kinds of things. Katie Robbert – 05:09 It sounds like there’s a need for a different version of an ICP that has a very specific pain point tied to a specific piece of technology or a marketing campaign or something like that. I feel like that would be a good starting place. It kind of always starts with the five Ps: What is the problem you’re trying to solve? Who are the people? What is the process that you currently have or are looking to do? What is the platform that you have in front of you? And then what is your performance metric? I feel like that’s a good starting place to structure this thinking because I’m following what you’re saying, Chris, but it still feels very big and vague. So, what I’m trying to do is think through how do I break it down into something more consumable. Katie Robbert – 05:56 So for me, that always kind of starts with the five Ps. So, what you’re describing, for example, is the purpose: we want to market our courses more efficiently through our Thinkific system. The people are Kelsey, who leads a lot of that, you as the person who owns the system, and then our ICP, who’s going to buy the courses. Process: That’s what we’re trying to figure out is what are we missing. Platform: We already know it’s our Thinkific, but also the different marketing channels that we have. Performance would be increased core sales. Is that an accurate description of what you’re trying to do? Christopher S. Penn – 06:42 It is. To refine the purpose even more, it’s, “what three features could we be using better?” So, I might even go in. In the process part, I might say, hey, I’m going to turn on a screen share and record my screen as I click through our Thinkific platform and hand that to a tool like Gemini and say, “what am I not using?” I don’t use a section, I use this section. Here’s what I’ve got in this section. I don’t know what this button does. And having it almost do an audit for us of, “yeah, there’s that whole bundle order bundles thing section here that you have no bundles in there.” Christopher S. Penn – 07:20 But you could be creating bundles of your courses and selling a pack of courses and materials, or making deluxe versions, or making pre-registration versions. Whatever the thing is, another simple example would be if we follow the five Ps, Katie: you’ve got a comprehensive outline of the AI-Ready Marketing Strategy Kit Course slide deck in a doc. Your purpose is, “I want to get this slide deck done, but I don’t want to do it slide by slide.” You’re the people. The process right now is manually creating all 100x slides. The platform is Google Slides. The performance would be—if we could find a way to automate that somehow with Google Slides—the huge amount of time saved and possibly your sanity. Katie Robbert – 08:13 Put a price on that one. Christopher S. Penn – 08:16 Yeah. So, the question would be, “what are we missing?” What features are already there that we’re already paying for in our Google Workspace subscription that we could use now? We actually did this as an exercise ourselves. We found that, oh yeah, there’s Apps Script. It exists, and you can write code right in Google Slides. That would be another example, a very concrete example, of could we have a Deep Research agent take this specific problem, take the five Ps, and build us a manual on demand of just how to accomplish this task with the thing we’re already doing. Katie Robbert – 08:56 So, a couple more questions. One, why Deep Research and why not just a regular LLM like ChatGPT or just Gemini? Why the Deep Research specifically? And, let’s start there. Christopher S. Penn – 09:14 Okay, why? The Deep Research is because it’s a research agent. It goes out, it finds a bunch of sources, reads the sources, applies our filtering criteria to those sources, and then compiles and synthesizes a report together. We call, it’s called a research agent, but really all it is, is an AI agent. So, you can give very specific instructions like, “write me a step-by-step manual for doing this thing, include samples of code,” and it will do those things well with lower hallucinations than just asking a regular model. It will produce the report exactly the way you want it. So, I might say, “I want a report to do exactly this.” Katie Robbert – 09:50 So, you’re saying that Deep Research hallucinates less than a regular LLM model. But, in theory—I’m just trying to understand all the pieces—you could ask a standard LLM model like Claude or Gemini or ChatGPT, go find all the best sources and write me a report, a manual if you will, on how to do this thing step-by-step. You could do that. I’m trying to understand why a Deep Research model is better than just doing that, because I don’t think a lot of people are using Deep Research. For you, what I know at least in the past month or so is that’s your default: let me go do a Deep Research report first. Not everybody functions that way. So, I’m just trying to understand why that should be done first. Christopher S. Penn – 10:45 In this context, it’s getting the right sources. So, when you use a general LLM, it may or may not—unless you are super specific. Actually, this is true of everything. You have to be super specific as to what sources you want the model to consider. The difference is, with Deep Research, it uses the sources first, whereas in a regular model, it may be using its background information first rather than triggering a web search. Because web search is a tool use, and that’s extra compute that costs extra for the LLM provider. When you use Deep Research, you’re saying you must go out and get these sources. Do not rely on your internal data. You have to go out and find these sources. Christopher S. Penn – 11:27 So for example, when I say, hey, I’m curious about the effects of fiber supplements, I would say you must only use sources that have DOI numbers, which is Document Object Indicator. It’s a number that’s assigned only after a paper has passed peer review. By saying that, we reject all the sources like, oh, Aunt Esther’s healing crystals blog. So, there’s probably not as much useful information there as there is in, say, something from The New England Journal of Medicine, which, its articles are peer-reviewed. So, that’s why I default to Deep Research, because I can be. When I look at the results, I am much more confident in them because I look at the sources it produces and sites and says, “this is what I asked for.” Christopher S. Penn – 12:14 When I was doing this for a client not too long ago, I said, “build me a step-by-step set of instructions, a custom manual, to solve and troubleshoot this one problem they were having in their particular piece of software.” It did a phenomenal job. It did such a good job that I followed its instructions step-by-step and uncovered 48 things wrong in the client software. It was exactly right because I said you must only use the vendor’s documentation or other qualified sources. You may not use randos on Reddit or Twitter, or whatever we’re calling Twitter these days. That gave me even specifying it has to be this version of the software. So, for my friend, I said, “it has to be only sources that are about the Google Pixel 8 Pro.” Christopher S. Penn – 13:03 Because that’s the model of phone she has. Don’t give me stuff about Pixel 9, don’t give me stuff about Samsung phones. Don’t give me stuff about iPhones, only this phone. The Deep Research agents, when they go out and they do their thing, reject stuff as part of the process of saying, “oh, I’ve checked this source and it doesn’t meet the criteria, out it goes.” Katie Robbert – 13:27 So, all right, so back to your question of why aren’t people building these instruction manuals? This is something. I mean, this is part of what we talk about with our ICPs: a lot of people don’t know what the problem is. So, they know that something’s not quite right, or they know that something is making them frustrated or uncomfortable, but that’s about where it stops. Oftentimes your emotions are not directly tied to what the actual physical problem is. So, I feel like that’s probably why more people aren’t doing what you’re specifying. So, for example, if we take the Thinkific example, if we were in a larger company, the conversation might look more like the CFO saying, “hey, we need more core sales.” Katie Robbert – 14:27 Rather than looking at the systems that we have to make promotion more efficient, your marketing team is probably going to scramble and be like, “oh, we need to come up with six more campaigns.” Then go to our experts and say, “you need four new versions of the course,” or “we need updates.” So, it would be a spiral. What’s interesting is how you get from “we want more course revenue” to “let me create a manual about the system that we’re using.” I feel like that’s the disconnect, because that’s not. It’s a logical step. It’s not an emotionally logical step. When people are like, “we need to make more money,” they don’t go, “well, how can we do more with the systems that we have?” Christopher S. Penn – 15:31 It’s interesting because it actually came out of something you were saying just before we started this podcast, which was how tired you are of everybody ranting about AI on LinkedIn. And just all the looniness there and people yelling the ROI of AI. We talked about this in last week’s episode. If you’re not mentioning the ROI of what you’re doing beforehand, AI is certainly not going to help you with that, but it got me thinking. ROI is a financial measure: earn minus spent divided by spent. That’s the formula. If you want to improve ROI, one of the ways you can do so is by spending less. Christopher S. Penn – 16:07 So, the logical jump that I made in terms of this whole Deep Research approach to custom-built manuals for specific problems is to say, “what if I don’t need to add more vendors? What if I don’t need?” This is something that has come up a lot in the Q&A, particularly for your session at the AI for B2B Summit. Someone said, “how many MarTech tools do we need? How many AI tools do we need? Our stack is already so full.” “Yeah, but are you using what you’ve already got really well?” And the answer to that is almost always no. I mean, it’s no for me, and I’m a reasonably technical person. Christopher S. Penn – 16:43 So, my thinking along those lines was, then if we’re not getting the most out of what we’re already paying for, could we spend less by not adding more bills every month and earn more by using the features that are already there that maybe we just don’t know how to use? So, that’s how I make that leap: to think about, go from the problem and being on a fire to saying, “okay, if ROI is what we actually do care about in this case, how do we earn more and spend less? How do we use more of what we already have?” Hence, now make custom manuals for the problems that we have. A real simple example: when we were upgrading our marketing automation software two or three weeks ago, I ran into this ridiculous problem in migration. Christopher S. Penn – 17:28 So, my first instinct was I could spend two and a half hours googling for it, or I could commission a Deep Research report with all the data that I have and say, “you tell me how to troubleshoot this problem.” It did. I was done in 15 minutes. Katie Robbert – 17:42 So, I feel like it’s a good opportunity. If you haven’t already gotten your Trust Insights AI-Ready Marketing Strategy Kit, templates and frameworks for measurable success, definitely get it. You can get it at Trust Insights AIkit. The reason I bring it up, for free—yes, for free—the course is in the works. The course will not be free. The reason I bring it up is because there are a couple of templates in this AI readiness kit that are relevant to the conversation that Chris and I are having today. So, one is the basic AI ROI projection calculator, which is, it’s basic, but it’s also fairly extensive because it goes through a lot of key points that you would want to factor into an ROI calculation. Katie Robbert – 18:31 But to Chris’s point, if you’re not calculating ROI now, calculating it out for what you’re going to save—how are you going to know that? So, that’s part one. The other thing that I think would be really helpful, that is along the lines of what you’re saying, Chris, is the Top Questions for AI Marketing Vendors Cheat Sheet. Ideally, it’s used to vet new vendors if you’re trying to bring on more software. But I also want to encourage people to look at it and use it as a way to audit what you already have. So, ask yourself the questions that you would be asking prospective vendors: “do we have this?” Because it really challenges you to think through, “what are the problems I’m trying to solve? Who’s going to use it?” Katie Robbert – 19:17 What about data privacy? What about data transformation? All of those things. It’s an opportunity to go, “do we already have this? Is this something that we’ve had all this time that we’re, to your point, Chris, that we’re paying for, that we’re just not using?” So, I would definitely encourage people to use the frameworks in that kit to audit your existing stuff. I mean, that’s really what it’s meant to do. It’s meant to give you a baseline of where you’re at and then how to get to the next step. Sometimes it doesn’t involve bringing on new stuff. Sometimes it’s working with exactly what you have. It makes me think of people who start new fitness things on January 1st. This is a very specific example. Katie Robbert – 20:06 So, on January 1st, we’re re-energized. We have our new goals, we have our resolutions, but in order to meet those goals, we also need new wardrobes, and we need new equipment, and we need new foods and supplements, and all kinds of expensive things. But if you really take a step back and say, “I want to start exercising,” guess what? Go walk outside. If it’s not nice outside, do laps around your house. You can do push-ups off your floor. If you can’t do a push-up, you can do a wall push-up. You don’t need anything net new. You don’t need to be wearing fancy workout gear. That’s actually not going to make you work out any better. It might be a more mental thing, a confidence thing. Katie Robbert – 20:54 But in all practicality, it’s not going to change a damn thing. You still have to do the work. So, if I’m going to show up in my ripped T-shirt and my shorts that I’ve been wearing since college, I’m likely going to get the same health benefits if I spent $5,500 on really flimsy-made Lululemon crap. Christopher S. Penn – 21:17 I think that right there answers your question about why people don’t make that leap to build a custom manual to solve your problems. Because when you do that, you kind of take away the excuses. You no longer have an excuse. If you don’t need fancy fitness equipment and a gym membership and you’re saying, “I can just get fit within my own house with what I’m doing,” then I’m out of excuses. Katie Robbert – 21:43 But I think that’s a really interesting angle to take with it: by actually doing the work and getting the answers to the questions. You’re absolutely right. You’re out of excuses. To be fair, that’s a lot of what the AI kit is meant to do: to get rid of the excuses, but not so much the excuses if we can’t do it, but those barriers to why you don’t think you can move forward. So, if your leadership team is saying, “we have to do this now,” this kit has all the tools that you need to help you do this now. But in the example that you’re giving, Chris, of, “I have this thing, I don’t know how to use it, it must not be the right thing.” Let me go ahead and get something else that’s shinier and promises to solve the problem. Katie Robbert – 22:29 Well, now you’re spending money, so why not go back to your point: do the Deep Research, figure out, “can I solve the problem with what I have?” The answer might still be no. Then at least you’ve said, “okay, I’ve tried, I’ve done my due diligence, now I can move on and find something that does solve the problem.” I do like that way of thinking about it: it takes away the excuses. Christopher S. Penn – 22:52 Yeah, it takes away excuses. That’s uncomfortable. Particularly if there are some people—it’s not none of us, but some people—who use that as a way to just not do work. Katie Robbert – 23:05 You know who you are. Christopher S. Penn – 23:07 You know who you are. You’re not listening to this podcast because. Katie Robbert – 23:10 Only motivated people—they don’t know who they are. They think they’re doing a lot of work. Yes, but that’s a topic for another day. But that’s exactly it. There’s a lot of just spinning and spinning and spinning. And there’s this—I don’t know exactly what to call it—perception, that the faster you’re spinning, the more productive you are. Christopher S. Penn – 23:32 That’s. The more busy you are, the more meetings you attend, the more important you are. No, that’s just. Katie Robbert – 23:38 Nope, that is actually not how that works. But, yeah, no, I think that’s an interesting way to think about it, because we started this episode and I was skeptical of why are you doing it this way? But now talking it through, I’m like, “oh, that does make sense.” It does. It takes away the excuses of, “I can’t do it” or “I don’t have what I need to do it.” And the answer is, “yeah, you do.” Christopher S. Penn – 24:04 Yep. Yeah, we do. These tools make it easier than ever to have a plan, because I know there are some people, and outside of my area’s expertise, I’m one of these people. I just want to be told what to do. Okay, you’re telling me to go bake some bread. I don’t know how to do that. Just tell me the steps to give me a recipe so I can follow it so I don’t screw it up and waste materials or waste time. Yeah. Now once I had, “okay, if I something I want to do,” then I do it. If it’s something I don’t want to do, then now I’m out of excuses. Katie Robbert – 24:40 I don’t know. I mean, for those of you listening, you couldn’t see the look on my face when Chris said, “I just want to be told what to do.” I was like, “since when?” Outside of. Christopher S. Penn – 24:50 “My area of expertise” is the key phrase there. Katie Robbert – 24:56 I sort of. I call that my alpha and beta brain. So, at work, I have the alpha brain where I’m in charge. I set the course, and I’m the one who does the telling. But then there are those instances, when I go volunteer at the shelter, I shut off my alpha brain, and I’m like, “just tell me what to do.” This is not my. I am just here to help to sandwich, too. So, I totally understand that. I’m mostly just picking on you because it’s fun. Christopher S. Penn – 25:21 And it’s Monday morning. Katie Robbert – 25:23 All right, sort of wrapping up. It sounds like there’s a really good use case for using Deep Research on the technology you already have. Here’s the thing. You may not have a specific problem right now, but it’s probably not the worst idea to take a look at your tech stack and do some Deep Research reports on all of your different tools. Be like, “what does this do?” “Here’s our overall sales and marketing goals, here’s our overall business goals, and here’s the technology we have.” “Does it match up? Is there a big gap?” “What are we missing?” That’s not a bad exercise to do, especially as you think about now that we’re past the halfway point of the year. People are already thinking about annual planning for 2026. That’s a good exercise to do. Christopher S. Penn – 26:12 It is. Maybe we should do that on a future live stream. Let’s audit, for example, our Modic marketing automation software. We use it. I know, for example, the campaign section with the little flow builder. We don’t use that at all. And I know there’s value in there. It’s that feature in HubSpot’s, an extra $800 a month. We have it for free in Modic, and we don’t use it. So, I think maybe some of us. Katie Robbert – 26:37 Have asked that it be used multiple times. Christopher S. Penn – 26:42 So now, let’s make a manual for a specific campaign using what we know to do that so we can do that on an upcoming live stream. Katie Robbert – 26:52 Okay. All right. If you’ve got some—I said okay, cool. Christopher S. Penn – 26:58 If you’ve got some use cases for Deep Research or for building manuals on demand that you have found work well for you, drop by our free slacker. Go to Trust Insights AI analytics for marketers, where you and over 4,000 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every day about analytics, data science, and AI. Wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a challenge you’d rather have it on. Instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast where you can find us in all the places great podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert – 27:32 Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. 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GGACP celebrates April's National Humor Month by revisiting one of the funniest mini-episodes in the archive as pop culture historian Kliph and illustrator Drew Friedman join the boys to cover discuss the dark secrets of vaudeville, the tragic childhood of Eddie Cantor, the phenomenon of Martin & Lewis and the strange death of “Parkyakarkus.” Also, Bob Hope dons blackface, Jack Benny swipes his stage name, Don Knotts sends up Hugh Hefner and the mob releases a comedy album. PLUS: Batman & Rubin! “The Baileys of Balboa”! Rodney Dangerfield vs. the feds! Aunt Esther goes electric! And the angriest man in show business! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

#realconversations #filmmaker #director #huntingtonsdisease#longevityCONVERSATIONS WITH CALVIN WE THE SPECIESMeet: DEDI FELMAN: filmmaker, film, ‘Take Good Care' showingat Garden State Film Festival.https://www.youtube.com/c/ConversationswithCalvinWetheSpecIEs447 Interviews/Videos  8400 SUBSCRIBERSGLOBAL Reach. Earth Life. Amazing People.  PLEASE SUBSCRIBE**DEDI FELMAN; Writer/Director; Film, ‘Take Good Care' showingat Garden State Film FestivalYouTube: https://youtu.be/M6K1hRqMpiUBIO: Dedi Felman is a writer / director born and raised inthe wilds of New Jersey.She loves criminally-minded underdogs, unapologeticallyflawed females, and whip-smart women on adventures. Her favorite storiesconfront human truths with a sense of humor, whether they be grounded sci-fi,mystery-thrillers, or heists.Dedi attended the UCLA Professional Program in Screenwritingand was in the inaugural class of the HBO Access Writing Fellowship, where shediscovered her passion for directing. She was selected as a BlackmagicCollective Directing Actors Fellow in 2022 and a Blackmagic CollectiveProducing Fellow in 2023.Her latest short, Take Good Care, a sci-fi dramedy aboutaging, ambition, family, and love, premiered at the Oscar-qualifyingHollyshorts Film Festival and screened at Burbank International Film Festival,New Filmmakers LA, in the market at Palm Springs International Film Festival,and at Wyoming International Film Festival. It will have its East Coastpremiere at the Garden State Film Festival, March 29th in the 3-5 PM block atAsbury Lanes.**LINKS: https://www.instagram.com/takegoodcarefilm/https://www.instagram.com/dediaffrom DEDI's Instagram “I couldn't be more excited toannounce that TAKE GOOD CARE will have its East Coast premiere at NJ's very own@gardenstatefilmfestival! As most of you know, I'm a Jersey Girl and taking ourshort home to Asbury Park is a special joy. Terrific folks run this festival.And I'm grateful that my Aunt Esther, who's supported me through thick andthin, will finally be able to see it.I'm also thrilled to share that @molly7hagan, our incrediblelead, has been nominated for Best Actress in a Short, Web Series, or Pilot.Congrats Molly!! Working w/you has been a career pinnacle.Congrats again to all our incredible cast and crew who madethis all possible. It's been an amazing ride!TY for making dreams come true.”**WE ARE ALSO ON AUDIOAUDIO “Conversations with Calvin; WE       the SpecIEs”ANCHOR https://lnkd.in/g4jcUPqSPOTIFY https://lnkd.in/ghuMFeCAPPLE PODCASTSBREAKER https://lnkd.in/g62StzJGOOGLE PODCASTS https://lnkd.in/gpd3XfMPOCKET CASTS https://pca.st/bmjmzaitRADIO PUBLIC https://lnkd.in/gxueFZw 

GGACP celebrates the birthday of best-selling author and pop culture historian Kliph Nesteroff (b. February 20) by revisiting this classic (and frequently hilarious) interview from 2016. In this episode, Kliph joins Gilbert and Frank (along with recurring guest Drew Friedman) for an informative analysis of topics covering ten decades of popular entertainment, including: the dark secrets of vaudeville, the tragic childhood of Eddie Cantor, the phenomenon of Martin & Lewis and the strange death of “Parkyakarkus.” Also, Jack Benny swipes his stage name, Rodney Dangerfield runs afoul of the feds, Don Knotts sends up Hugh Hefner and the mob releases a comedy album. PLUS: Batman & Rubin! “The Baileys of Balboa”! Aunt Esther goes electric! And the angriest man in showbiz history! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bold and bawdy, for a time in the 1970's LaWanda Page was the Queen of Comedy -- at least the type featured on numerous x-rated "party records". From early days as a "Fire Dancer", LaWanda worked the "chitlin' circuit" of clubs in the south, developing her standup act and developing friendships with other comics including Redd Foxx. After issuing a number of naughty albums on the Laff label, LaWanda got a call from Redd asking her to join the cast of his new sitcom Sanford and Son". She said yes, and the producer blew a gasket because her acting skills were at best limited. Redd famously said "if she goes, I go" and the rest is sitcom history. So take yourself back to the days when you would put on certain records "after the kids go to bed" and have a laugh with LaWanda, The Queen of Comedy. As always find extra cuts below and thanks for sharing our shows. Want more LaWanda? Most of LaWanda's albums are very NSFW -- though if you want a quick primer in urban slang of the 70s they are a great source. This track is taken from the one mainstream comedy record she did and while the language was toned down, the point was still sharp. https://youtu.be/Evsd1jpiMuQ?si=MzW09WALAqYyVhBn LaWanda's Aunt Esther was a cornerstone of Sanford and Son -- and LaWanda played it to the hilt (as did Redd Foxx as Fred Sanford). Here's some of Aunt Esther's best.https://youtu.be/0ppXVtCoA_E?si=-o_JFFQSPEYLI5fK Here's a time capsule -- it the Dean Martin Celebrity Roast of Angie Dickinson -- featuring LaWanda as one of the roasters -- only she turned most of her fire on Dino. And dig the 1970s color scheme -- you can feel the shag carpet!https://youtu.be/WjzbQXVywk8?si=PUUwKjxqYzTHXgTV

Long before her turn as the sermonizing Aunt Esther on "Sanford and Son," LaWanda Page was dazzling Black nightclub audiences - first as the flame-swallowing “Bronze Goddess of Fire”. Then, following in the footsteps of her childhood friend and eventual costar Redd Foxx, she became a queen of raunchy, tell-it-like-it-is stand up comedy. (Let's just say Aunt Esther would not have approved of LaWanda's act.) In this season 4 finale, Mo reflects on Page's influential career with entertainment icon Whoopi Goldberg and remembers the adults-only "party record' phenomenon with comedian Alonzo Bodden.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

LaWanda Page (1920-2002) was an American actress, comedian, and dancer whose career spanned over 60 years. She was best known for her role as Aunt Esther in Sanford and Son – a pious, buttoned-up foil to the show's main character, Fred Sanford.  For Further Reading: LaWanda Page, 81, the Aunt On TV's 'Sanford and Son' LaWanda Page, comedic genius and evangelist LaWanda Page, 81, Of ‘Sanford * Son' Fame Succumbs in Los Angeles This month, we're talking about comediennes — women throughout history who have made us laugh. They transgressed societal norms through comedy and often spoke out against injustice using their sharp wit. History classes can get a bad rap, and sometimes for good reason. When we were students, we couldn't help wondering... where were all the ladies at? Why were so many incredible stories missing from the typical curriculum? Enter, Womanica. On this Wonder Media Network podcast we explore the lives of inspiring women in history you may not know about, but definitely should. Every weekday, listeners explore the trials, tragedies, and triumphs of groundbreaking women throughout history who have dramatically shaped the world around us. In each 5 minute episode, we'll dive into the story behind one woman listeners may or may not know–but definitely should. These diverse women from across space and time are grouped into easily accessible and engaging monthly themes like Educators, Villains, Indigenous Storytellers, Activists, and many more.  Womanica is hosted by WMN co-founder and award-winning journalist Jenny Kaplan. The bite-sized episodes pack painstakingly researched content into fun, entertaining, and addictive daily adventures.  Womanica was created by Liz Kaplan and Jenny Kaplan, executive produced by Jenny Kaplan, and produced by Grace Lynch, Maddy Foley, Brittany Martinez, Edie Allard, Lindsey Kratochwill, Adesuwa Agbonile, Carmen Borca-Carrillo, Taylor Williamson, Sara Schleede, Paloma Moreno Jimenez, and Abbey Delk. Special thanks to Shira Atkins. Original theme music composed by Miles Moran. Follow Wonder Media Network: Website Instagram Twitter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the 31st Episode of Dorm Damage With Tom & Zeus the guys list their favorite TV moments of all time. A great TV scene may be hilarious, emotional or more. It can be a season finale or a turning point in a series. Tom & Zeus each list 10 TV moments that have become their favorites. So call Aunt Esther, Tony Soprano and the Fonz because you never know what made the list! For all things Shout It Out Loudcast check out our amazing website by clicking below:   www.ShoutItOutLoudcast.com   Interested in more Shout It Out Loudcast content? Care to help us out? Come join us on Patreon by clicking below:   SIOL Patreon   Get all your Shout It Out Loudcast Merchandise by clicking below:   Shout It Out Loudcast Merchandise at AMAZON   Shop At Our Amazon Store by clicking below: Shout It Out Loudcast Amazon Store   Please Email us comments or suggestions by clicking below: ShoutItOutLoudcast@Gmail.com   Please subscribe to us and give us a 5 Star (Child) review on the following places below: iTunes Podchaser Stitcher iHeart Radio Spotify   Please follow us and like our social media pages clicking below: Twitter Facebook Page Facebook Group Page Shout It Out Loudcasters Instagram YouTube   Proud Member of the Pantheon Podcast click below to see the website: Pantheon Podcast Network Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After the Gloaming is a production of Dissonance Media and The Other Stories.Last Christmas with Abner was written by John Kiste.For more from John Kiste please head over to www.johnkiste.wordpress.comEustace Willoughby was performed by Karim Kronfli - https://www.dramaticvoice.co.uk/Aunt Esther was performed by Alexandra ElroyUncle Phineas was performed by Ray O'HareBurton was performed by Chris SansomUncle Abner was performed by Tom PidouxHenry Blackwood was performed by Xander ZweigShelly Stevenson was performed by Alexandra ElroyAfter the Gloaming script was written by James Barnett.Sound production and editing was completed by James Barnett.Theme music was scored by Duncan Muggleton and produced by James Barnett.Music and sound effects were provided by: Epidemic Sound, Sound Stripe, and Freesound.org.If you have enjoyed the episode, please spread the word to anyone you feel may enjoy it and please support the show by leaving a review and giving it a 5-star rating.To support the show and gain access to all episodes now, ad-free, head over to www.patreon.com/nightsendpodcastThis episode is brought to you with a Creative Commons – Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives license. Don't change it. Don't sell it. But by all means… share the hell out of it.Stay Horrific, everyone! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On the 31st Episode of Dorm Damage With Tom & Zeus the guys list their favorite TV moments of all time. A great TV scene may be hilarious, emotional or more. It can be a season finale or a turning point in a series. Tom & Zeus each list 10 TV moments that have become their favorites. So call Aunt Esther, Tony Soprano and the Fonz because you never know what made the list! For all things Shout It Out Loudcast check out our amazing website by clicking below:   www.ShoutItOutLoudcast.com   Interested in more Shout It Out Loudcast content? Care to help us out? Come join us on Patreon by clicking below:   SIOL Patreon   Get all your Shout It Out Loudcast Merchandise by clicking below:   Shout It Out Loudcast Merchandise at AMAZON   Shop At Our Amazon Store by clicking below: Shout It Out Loudcast Amazon Store   Please Email us comments or suggestions by clicking below: ShoutItOutLoudcast@Gmail.com   Please subscribe to us and give us a 5 Star (Child) review on the following places below: iTunes Podchaser Stitcher iHeart Radio Spotify   Please follow us and like our social media pages clicking below: Twitter Facebook Page Facebook Group Page Shout It Out Loudcasters Instagram YouTube   Proud Member of the Pantheon Podcast click below to see the website: Pantheon Podcast Network Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever heard a parent or family member say, "You are just like Aunt Esther," or "Don't be like Uncle Joe," or maybe even, "You're just like your mother!" If you are desiring to be a wholehearted, highly integrated self, understanding the genetic code of your DNA is critical to the process. We must know why we do what we do. Did this triggering behavior get passed down through the generations? Does it need to stop NOW? In today's episode, Michelle Van Loon, author of "Translating Your Past," guides us into the beautiful journey of finding meaning in our stories. Please send your questions here: janell@janellrardon.com and I'll answer them on the show. Be sure to subscribe and leave a review: www.janellrardon.com/podcast Be sure to join the community and subscribe to the podcast: www.janellrardon.com/free-content-for-subscribers Links + Resources from this Episode: So excited that the podcast has been voted in the Top 100 Mental Health Podcasts on Feedspot: https://blog.feedspot.com/mental_health_podcasts/ Meet Michelle Van Loon and learn more about her remarkable work: MICHELLE VAN LOON Watch Michelle's Interview, "The Larger Story," on Good Life TV Join the private Stronger Every Day online community on FB: STRONGER EVERY DAY Listen to more great podcasts: ACCESS MORE Download Your Personal Guide PDF for Season 11: LET'S BE REMARKABLE 2023 Learn more about The Heartlift School on Teachable Follow Janell on Instagram: @janellrardon Please leave a REVIEW of the PODCAST.

In his waning moments as a state senator, Darren Bailey feels compelled to read from the Bible. Ben riffs. Monroe Anderson talks Jerrod Carmichael at Golden Globes. And Jim Coogan joins the conversation to talk MAGA congressional investigations, Biden's missing documents, and various crimes of Trump. Get ready for a MAGA witch hunt.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lock the doors, there's a fox on the loose. When Chad comes on the pod, all hell breaks loose, and you really never know where things are going to go. From Danny Trejo, to weight loss, to hidden cats, Aunt Esther's fox fears, BBMak, and Snuffleupagus' trip to the zoo in season 3 (thankfully they taught us to spell on Sesame Street), this episode will keep you hoping for that lime green hatchback you've always wanted... ...it's hard to write these descriptions. For more behind the scenes, clips, reactions, and reviews to the biggest movies, TV, music, and just about everything else: follow me @thelink_podcast on Twitter and Instagram, and leave a review will ya? There's so many good words to throw in there; IYKYK. --- If you're a sports fan, subscribe to my YouTube channel called MikeTheMush where we post at least weekly breaking down some of the biggest stories in sports, usually with a gambling spin for all of you who want to make a couple of extra bucks in the newly legal gambling world. Check out even more sports content @MikeMushSports on Twitter and Instagram where I'm at least 50% more irrationally confident on my takes than I am on the link (and that's saying a lot). --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Granny, Uncle Earl & Aunt Esther & Aunt Mary spent all day fixing the front yard and the garden in the backyard All for Cousin Trey to pull up in his new Chevy Caprice and leave tire tracks on the lawn smh Your favorite cousins are back again and we give a candid recap of GTX's 3rd event of the year, Ouroboros DONATE: $NewEraPod GET YOUR COUSIN's MERCH: https://theloladopecollection.com/ LIVE SHOW DISCORD: https://discord.gg/NuunqQau52 FOLLOW US ON TWITTER @NewEraPodcast1 @BENSWAYZE2 @DAMNIMWILD @LILFR3DDY @DUTCH_KIB @LOLADOPE_ FOLLOW US ON IG: @NewEra_Podcast1 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/new-era-podcast3/support

On a trip to his aunt's house for his birthday, Donald Davis adorns the walls with his crayon art, only to realize later it might have been a grave mistake.

Our Motto: Some of this is whimsy – some of this is true – the interpretation of it all is entirely up to you! Today is Saturday, May 7th, 2022 In todays' episode: Bangor, Maine Struggles to Spend $20 Million Maine Stone Goes to Statue of Liberty Brunswick Stew, Pecan Sandwiches, Oyster Toast (Maine Recipes, 1898) Maine Mammal of the Moment Thank you for listening! Please send your birthday wishes, comments and requests to mike(@)downeastmike.com Now Available! Downeast Mike Merch! https://downeast-mike.creator-spring.com/ Frank Norwood - A Singer-Songwriter with a Podcast. It's a one-man variety show cobbled together with all the care of a welded up Moose replica you'd find Downeast. From a distance it'll look like a moose, but up close you'll see the antlers are from the kid's old bicycle and the body is from Aunt Esther's Dodge Dart. So it goes with Frank's music and podcast...if you have a few minutes to waste he'll be more than happy to provide you with fresh, quirky, clean and ever sarcastic Downeast humor. And maybe lean just within earshot to hear an enthusiastic and heartfelt tune. https://anchor.fm/frank-w-norwood https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/downeast-mike/id1610092577 franknorwood.com downeastmike.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/frank-w-norwood/support

There are many mysteries out there - many that will never be solved. And some mysteries are so frustrating, they'll leave a gap in your soul. One of those such puzzles in life is that of we American Indians trying to figure out the stories and history of our ancestors. Most of our history is told and passed down by oral tradition. So centuries of our own stories have never be heard as they've faded over time. We often long to connect in some way with those family members, so that we can understand more about their world and about ourselves, and so they're never forgotten. My guest today – Jennifer Story - posed a mystery to me as we were preparing ahead of time for this episode. She stated that as many Choctaws from Mississippi were being removed to Indian Territory (on what's now known as the “Trail of Tears”), she was baffled by the question that kept coming to her mind - why were her Choctaw ancestors removed many years later than the others? Listen to today's episode to hear about this mystery unraveled and solved! You'll also learn about: • A man named Bearheart • Some unlikely next door neighbors • What Jennifer learned as she cared for her ill brother • The stories from Jennifer playing a dancer in the movie, Killers of the Flower Moon (guess whose famous actress' shoes Jennifer was given to wear in the movie!) • How her legendary Aunt Esther single-handedly saved the Tewa language • Hear what famous actor attended Aunt Esther's funeral • Jennifer and I had such a fun time, so you may be hearing quite a dose of laughter from us Choctaw gals Native ChocTalk Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/nativechoctalkpodcast All Podcast Episodes: https://nativechoctalk.com/podcasts/

Jason and Andy try discussing the second episode of the Love Boat - S01E02, A Tasteful Affair/Oh, Dale!/The Main Event. The male crew seem to have an obsession over a very mannish woman (John Ritter dressed in drag) - not that there's anything wrong with that. The sausage king gets stuck in an elevator with Aunt Esther and Jaclyn Smith is suspected of being a filthy cheating whore. All this and more on this episode of Exciting and New Podcast.

The first installment of the four part Black History Month series. Cameron, Chris, and Nie discuss the media and its misrepresentation of black culture. From Mammy, Aunt Esther, Foxy Brown to Black Families and Sitcoms, This is My2Centz!

In the third instalment of our Personal Conections series we cover the New Orleans Axeman and how the murder of Barry's Great Uncle Mike Pipitone affected his wife Esther and the rest of the family. Follow us on Twitter: @AShudders Instagram: @openshudderspodcast Facebook: The Official Page For Open Shudders: A Creepy Podcast Any questions or comments can be emailed to: openshudders@Yahoo.com Creepy Lullaby, A.wav" by InspectorJ (www.jshaw.co.uk) of Freesound.org --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/barry-marino-openshud/support

On today's Apple Seed Extra, enjoy a personal story from the childhood of the great North Carolina storyteller Donald Davis. It's called "Aunt Esther Saves a Life."

On today's BITE, you'll hear a story by Donald Davis called "Aunt Esther Saves a Little Boy's Life" -- a story about cutting kids some slack when they make mistakes. Sam is joined by Producer Jeff Simpson and guest Caroline Coppersmith, who confess some of the mistakes they made as kids.

We did a quick hitter for the final off day of the year! Dr. Jay Calvert & Dr. Jason Berkley break down Gm 6 and preview the keys for Gm 7 of the Stanley Cup Final! Does the curse live!?

60 minutes, two outstanding authors. H. Terrell Griffin and Tom Straw join us today on Suspense Radio. H. Terrell Griffin: "Vindication": Premier adult community with everything you could possibly want, need, or dream of doing in your retirement years is just a golf cart ride away—now the scene of a murder In this John Grisham style mystery, Matt Royal, the retired lawyer-turned-beach-bum is called back into the courtroom to defend his girlfriend J. D. Duncan's Aunt Esther, who lives in the sprawling North Central Florida retirement community of The Villages. A best-selling author has been murdered after a book signing, and Aunt Esther has been arrested. Matt has a history with the local sheriff—one which may not bode well for his client. Matt reluctantly suits up for the courtroom, and J.D. takes a leave from the police department to go undercover. A bizarre specter from the past haunts their investigation every step of the way. As they delve further into the case, the pieces of the puzzle refuse to fall into any kind of coherent pattern. Jock Algren arrives with his special skill set to expose the real murderer and free Aunt Esther, but to no avail. Not until the case goes to trial and the evidence is revealed does the truth emerge—and a strange kind of justice prevails.

60 minutes, two outstanding authors. H. Terrell Griffin and Tom Straw join us today on Suspense Radio. H. Terrell Griffin: "Vindication":  Premier adult community with everything you could possibly want, need, or dream of doing in your retirement years is just a golf cart ride away—now the scene of a murder In this John Grisham style mystery, Matt Royal, the retired lawyer-turned-beach-bum is called back into the courtroom to defend his girlfriend J. D. Duncan's Aunt Esther, who lives in the sprawling North Central Florida retirement community of The Villages. A best-selling author has been murdered after a book signing, and Aunt Esther has been arrested. Matt has a history with the local sheriff—one which may not bode well for his client.  Matt reluctantly suits up for the courtroom, and J.D. takes a leave from the police department to go undercover. A bizarre specter from the past haunts their investigation every step of the way. As they delve further into the case, the pieces of the puzzle refuse to fall into any kind of coherent pattern. Jock Algren arrives with his special skill set to expose the real murderer and free Aunt Esther, but to no avail. Not until the case goes to trial and the evidence is revealed does the truth emerge—and a strange kind of justice prevails.

Frank W. Butterfield is a Master Channel who has been working with individuals and groups since 2009 to help his clients remember who they are, in truth. First learning to channel in 1990, Frank has worked both in and out of the corporate world. He has discovered that the best way to live his own life is to allow the Universe to sort things out for him but always remembers that your mileage may vary. Having traveled extensively most of his life, he currently resides in Daytona Beach and has no interest in racing cars or riding motorcycles, but does love the beach. WE TALK ABOUT: …channeling, Communion of Light, Paul, chakras, the difference between mediumship and channeling, Edgar Cayce, Jane Roberts, Seth, Ester Hicks, Abraham, the distinction between channeling and deep trance channeling, intuitive development, psychic readings, the difference between willingness and ability... BOOKS MENTIONED: Opening to Channel by Sanaya Roman and Duane Packer Out on a Limb by Shirley MacLaine Seth Books by Jane Roberts Oversoul Series by Jane Roberts A Course in Miracles by Dr. Helen Schucman Ask and It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks This Morning, Over Here: A Memoir That Never Happened by Frank Butterfield GUEST LINKS - Frank Butterfield FrankWButterfield.com Communion of Light HOST LINKS - SLADE ROBERSON Slade's Books & Courses Get an intuitive reading with Slade Automatic Intuition BECOME A PATRON https://www.patreon.com/shiftyourspirits Edit your pledge on Patreon TRANSCRIPT INTRO Thanks for listening to the Shift Your Spirits podcast. I’m your host Slade Roberson. For eleven years, I’ve been a professional intuitive and the author of the blog Shift Your Spirits, where I try to write about spirituality with fewer hearts and flowers than most New Age blather. I also mentor emerging intuitives, psychics, and healers in a program called Automatic Intuition. Today I have an interview with Frank Butterfield about channeling. What channeling is, how to do it. What it means to be a channel, and what to do if you think you might be one. I love all my interview guests and all their segments are special for different reasons. But I must say, I did personally really dig the middle of this interview with Frank. I guess I should say he brought through a message that really resonated for me in that moment. I felt like he was channeling for me. I asked the question I sometimes ask guests, about what message he thinks is missing from the New Age conversation, and he went off about giving up what you're trying to get. I can’t even paraphrase it or repeat it... It’s a real twist on the concept of “surrender”— it's bad ass and down to earth and yet conceptually elevated. Be sure and listen for it. And, of course, as always, there’s an oracle segment at the end of the show. So be thinking about a question or a concern you have. Hold it in your mind, and I’ll come back on, after the final links and credits, and leave you with that extra message. BEFORE I FORGET I'd like to say a quick thank you to Angela Brophy and Tina Whisnant, my newest supporters on Patreon. I appreciate all of you who have pledged your support and I’m really excited to see the new names each week. It demonstrates that you’re enjoying the show and want it to continue. That’s very encouraging to me, so thank you. Listeners who support the show on Patreon can access bonus Q&A episodes, where you guys send in questions, I record answers to them, and they go out to patrons of the show exclusively. There’s also a level of support with a free guided meditation "Messages from Your Spirit Guides." To find out how you can become a patron, support my time in producing this show, and access the extra bonus content, please go to patreon.com/shiftyourspirits This week’s interview with Master Channel Frank Butterfield is a nice length, so I am going to cut my personal intro here. Let’s listen to Frank: INTERVIEW SEGMENT Frank: Well, my name is Frank Butterfield and I am a Channel, first and foremost. I've been doing that since 1990, although I've done a lot of other things. And I also am an author. I've published 19 novels and 3 non-fiction books that are based on my channeling work. I live in Daytona Beach Florida, right at the end of the road and go to the beach as often as I can. And have a pretty wonderful life. It's pretty quiet and I'm really enjoying where I'm at. And I'm also really glad to be here. Slade: Thank you for being here. So what is channeling, for somebody who's never heard of that before. What is it and how do you do it? Frank: Well, the way I do it, and it's a good question because there's a lot of different ways that people define channeling. But the way that I do it is I basically sit. I allow an energy, what I call a broader, non-physical perspective, to come through and sit in me. And then it speaks through me. And so communion of light is sort of the name that's used to describe what's going on and then the energy, the voice that talks through me, has a name called Paul. That theoretically is supposedly connected to Saint Paul, formerly Saul of Tarsus, but I don't really put a lot of stock into that. But in any event, it is very distinct. It speaks in a very different voice than I do, although our voices are now more similar than ever before. But now that I'm much more used to it and have been doing it for a long time, but the way in which they talk and I do speak of them as plural, with other people, it's very different than the way I do. They get away with a lot of shit that I wouldn't dare let myself do. But essentially, channeling is, for me, is just literally sitting inside of myself, not reaching up or out, but sitting inside myself and opening up something that then comes down into me and then moves through me. If you want to talk about chakras, what I'm doing is sitting in my heart chakra and then letting my throat chakra be open. And that's all that it is. It's really simple. It's very simple now. Of course it wasn't simple at the beginning. But that's what it is. What it isn't is mediumship. I can do mediumship. I don't like it, but basically what mediumship is for me is there's an energy that sits on my right and sort of whispers in my ear and then I relay what they're saying to whoever the mediumship experience is for. I haven't done it in a long time and I don't really have any desire to do it. There's lots of really great mediums out there. But mediumship and channeling are not the same thing. Mediumship I like to consider to be sort of on the 6th chakra level. So it's more of a psychic experience that involves personality to personality interaction. Channeling the way that I do it is more of a 7th chakra perspective, where it's about a broader perspective, narrowing itself down through me. Whereas mediumship is very peer-to-peer, and channeling the way that I do it is a little bit different than that. Slade: Okay, so how did you discover that you had the ability to do this? Frank: Well, I don't know that... that's a really good question. The way I found out how to do it was that I was working at a metaphysical bookstore that is sadly closed, called Fields Books, on, that was on Polk Street in San Francisco. And they had a book there that they were selling called Opening the Channel by Sanaya Roman and Duane Packer which is still available and I highly recommend it. And I bought it, took it home and basically over the course of one afternoon, I don't recommend this, I sat down and kind of went through all the processes as fast as I could. And by that evening, something was talking through me. It was really difficult but it happened and it's... you know what's interesting is, it's not so much an ability as it is an interest. and I believe that's true about anything at all. No one really has innate abilities but people cultivate ideas because they're interested in them. And then they just get better and better at them through practice or through repetition or whatever it may be. Slade: Okay. So when you were saying that you were aware that something was speaking through you, so were you in a trance when this happened or were you consciously aware of it? Explain the distinction there in your awareness. Frank: Well my exposure to channeling prior to that was through reading the words of Jane Roberts and seeing the made-for-TV movie Out on a Limb that was a Shirley MacLaine project based on the novel or the non-fiction book she wrote, and they filmed two different channels and those two different channels actually sort of represent the distinction that I was talking about a little earlier. One of the channels was more of a medium, and one of the channels was more of a sort-of broader perspective sort of person. But in any event, one of them obviously went into a very deep trance and the other one sort of went into a lighter trance. Jane Roberts went into a very deep trance apparently from the way it was described in the writings. As did Edgar Cayce. Who's another Channel who predates Jane Roberts. But I, when I first was doing this, I was in - it was like I was in a hypnotic state. I was aware of what was going on, but I had nothing to do. And my job was to be open, which at the beginning was difficult but became easier and easier. Now I can move back and forth very easily between the two states. I've never really been a deep trance Channel and I don't have the personality for it. I just kind of refuse to do anything where I'm absent from the process. But I can also say that when I am channeling, there are plenty of times when I have no idea, I know that specific words like 'the', 'brown', 'dog', I know that 'the' and 'brown' and 'dog' were said, but I don't understand why they were said, I don't know what that meant, and I've learned not to care. That took awhile. But it's not a deep trance. There's some people who can do that and they're very good at it and they just kind of get knocked out. Sanaya Roman talks about that in her experience that she, her first experience channeling was she turned on a tape recorder, she fell asleep and then she woke up 30 minutes later and it was 30 minutes of words that she didn't remember. She just thought she was asleep the entire time. I've never had that experience, but I do sort of fade away and then come back. And time moves in a very different way than when I'm doing something like this, where I'm very aware of the passage of time. A long period of time will go by and I'll think it's only been 10 or 15 minutes. Slade: How long was it from the time that you first tried this in San Francisco, sort of as an experiment How long was it from the time that that happened until you met Paul, or the Communion of the Light sort of revealed itself? Frank: So there's kind of three stages. So from 1990 to the winter of 1991, into '92, I was channeling this voice that called itself Raji. Which is an Indian first name. And it said very clearly, I'm here to help you get started and then when we're done I'll be gone and I'll move on. And the winter of '91, '92 I lived in Provincetown, on the end of Cape Cod, and I was with a group that was reading A Course in Miracles, and one night, we were playing a round with the Ouija board, and the Ouija board said, Tell Frank to channel. So I opened up and this very different thing happened. A very different voice and Raji was gone and has never been back. So from that, I guess it was actually like January of '92 until June of 2007, I was channeling this sort of indeterminate, just very broad, non-personality driven energy. Which I now recognize was the Communion of Light. That's who they were. But that was where I was in my ability, in my interest in allowing them. I was kind of going around saying, I'm kind of a Channel, I should be a Channel, I should be doing this but I'm not really doing it. And then in that interim time, in those 15 years, I went from being a person who kind of bopped around the country, to getting a real job and becoming really successful really quickly. And then all of a sudden remembering that I didn't have to do that anymore. And so I had a real job for about 10 years, and then I just quit. And I walked around for about a year, year and a half, saying, There's something I know how to do that I probably should be doing, but I don't know what it is. And it was channeling. And I remember having lunch with a friend of mine, saying, I know there's something that I do that I'm supposed to be doing. And I'm going to come back to you at some point and say, You know what that thing was? And that was right. It was a, like a Thursday night, and a friend of mine, my roommate and I had gone to see a movie, we came back to the apartment, we sat down and I just said, I think I'm supposed to channel for you. It just all of a sudden occurred to me. And so when I opened my mouth, this more focused version of what I had been doing over the previous 15 years appeared. And kind of gave itself a definition in a way that it didn't have before. And I had a more, not really a personality, but a more clear notion of what it was. And it began to speak and then in that first night, it, or they, introduced themselves. They were like, Frank should do this and this and this, none of which I did. And then they, when it was kind of over with, when they helped my friend with a question about his career, and which apparently was very useful, because he actually did what they suggested and then they said, Okay well now we're going to show you how to be a medium. And I was like, Okay, whatever. And they brought his mother in, who I'd never met, and then gave, you know, very, like all good mediums, they gave three points of identifying information that I had no idea about but that gave my friend the clue that there was something going on. And we even had what the Spiritualists would call a demonstration. There was an aroma of roses went through this room that was completely sealed off and just had air conditioning on. And it was pretty amazing. And I did that, like I said, I did that for a little while and then I was like, That's not really me. And I now realize what they were doing was saying, Okay here's a little bag of tricks that you think you're supposed to have. Why don't you go play with them and see if you like them. I didn't like any of them. So I just became a Channel. And that was, I'm sure this is on your list of things to ask me, but that was about two months before I talked to you. Slade: Oh! Okay, yeah. I mean one of the things that I'm enjoying about this conversation, for the record for those who are listening, I have known you and observed from outside the experience, but I was curious about, I've heard these stories too, so I'm sitting here putting it all together as a timeline. So you're saying this is where I came in to knowing you. Frank: Yeah. That's exactly right. Slade: Okay, so keep going. This is fascinating. Frank: So I did that for a couple months. I was just kind of trying to figure out what to do with my life and then I kind of came to a crisis where I was trying to understand what it meant to be a Channel. Did it mean I was going to have to give up myself, which is what I had always believed. I think that's why I always dabbled with it. That I was going to have to give up my personality, my sense of self. And I had had a project at the time where I was interviewing people and I can't even remember what the topic was, but you were one of the people that I interviewed. For some, like it was a podcast or, I don't know what I was doing. But somehow that's how I got in touch with you. And then about a week after we talked, I called, I texted, I don't know how I got in touch with you, but I just was like, I need help, I'm having a nervous breakdown. And you kind of walked me through, No, there's - I don't remember what you said, but what i got out of it was, there's you as the Channel, and then there's you as Frank. And you're, it's just like a job. You're going to put on this hat, and when you're done with the hat, with the job, you take off the hat. And I was like, Oh, yeah, of course! And so, what's interesting is, what has actually happened is that through the channeling and through what I've been doing since then, I have become more of myself, not less. And I have become more at peace with different idiosyncratic aspects of myself and different parts of my personality and everything is sort of folded in together, instead of being these wildly disparate parts that I was really scared of. And now everything is more integrated. So it's exactly the opposite of what I was afraid of. So that's how we met. And then the next significant thing that happened was that I, about a month after we talked, at this point I was living in Dallas, which is itself a weird story because I had lived in Austin and nobody goes from Austin to Dallas. Everybody goes from Dallas to Austin. Because they're like, I'm tired of living this big city life. I'm going to go some place where everybody's cool. So I did the opposite. But in doing so, I met a group of people in Fort Worth, of all places, who were Abraham devotees. And Abraham, I'd always been like, I'd seen the books, I'd never picked one up, and I thought, Oh Abraham, Sarah, Esther... I get it. Bible, bible, bible. This is just more of that old new-thought crap where everything has to be biblically based. Of course I didn't read anything. I didn't know what they were talking about. But it just - I was like, Eh, whatever. So I go to this group in Fort Worth and then there's going to be an Abraham workshop down in San Antonio. So there I'll just, as Abraham people do, completely, completely over the moon about this opportunity. And they're like, You have to go with us! And so I did. Even though I really didn't have the money. Somebody actually paid for me to go, which was really sweet. So we get there and of course, being this group, we got there as soon as the doors opened. And so we then sat in chairs for an hour and a half waiting for the thing to start. Because everybody wanted to be right up front. And we get in there and I'm just like, Okay, then suddenly, the room's filling up and it's time to start. And I suddenly became aware of the presence of Abraham as an energy. And it was just really obvious. And then as soon as, the way I imagine is the way I saw it, was that up at the top of the room, there was like people waiting, like people waiting for the warehouse to open or the factory to open to start their shift. And they were all standing around smoking cigarettes and shooting the breeze. And then all of a sudden, the shift started and it all coalesced as a single energy right at the centre of the room. I wasn't imagining this. It was literally what I saw. That's how i interpreted it. And then as soon as that coalescing happened, Esther and Jerry, Esther Hicks and her husband Jerry, walked in the door. And Esther's the woman who channels Abraham. They walked in the door and we started. The first part of the workshop was amazing. There were one after another after another of people asking questions and it was really, really amazing to sit there and watch Esther do her thing. Because I could see what she was doing. As a Channel, I knew enough about what I was doing already to see how she was handling the energy. What was fascinating was a guy comes up. The last question of the first segment. So before the first break. And he's missing an arm, missing his right arm and missing his right leg. And he walks up and he sits down in the chair and he says, I want my arm and my leg back. Just like that. That's literally his opening question. And I saw Esther kind of pop out and look around at the room, be like, How the hell am I going to do this? Which I very much recognized. And then she popped back in. And then Abraham began to do something that I'm now very familiar with, and was kind of like, helping him begin to open up to possibilities instead of seeing a big leap from a missing limbs to i want to have the limbs back, began to walk him through the ideas of what could possibly happen. And a lot of it was about being willing to be like the coolest guinea pig who tests out new prosthetics, which I thought was amazing. But it was just this really great conversation. When that was over with, because I didn't know myself like I know myself now, I didn't do this, but I immediately wanted to get up and drive back to Dallas. I did not want to stay for the rest of the workshop. But because I was there with this group of people and this person had paid for me to be there, I stayed. What a friend of mine who was in that group said to me later was that, she said I thought you just looked so angry after that first break. And I said, Well, I wasn't angry. I just was very uncomfortable. And what I ended up doing was I ended up getting all the way to the back of the room. I wanted to be there because I felt like I was doing homework. Or studying something. And I wanted to be in the room but I didn't want to be in the room. And I went all the way, way, way, way into the back. And that's the only Abraham workshop I've ever been to and I would never go to one again. I might change my mind and it's not because the work isn't amazing. It's just because it's not me. And it's not for me. But the next thing that happened after that was about six months later after I was still kind of dabbling a little bit and hadn't really said, Okay I'm a Channel and this is what I do. I end up back in Austin and the way Communion of Light describes this is, the way Paul describes this is, that they sent me to Abraham school, which, that's really the best way to put it. I just suddenly had an idea one day and I realized there was this law of attraction group in Austin that was kind of sitting there with nobody running it. And I had been part of that before I moved to Dallas. And I was coming back to Austin so I thought, Oh great, I'll just take over this group. It was one of those meet-up groups. We'll just study Ask and It Is Given, which is the big Abraham book. And so I did, I don't know why it came to me, but I just set up this little agenda, something I would never even normally do. And like we're going to do chapters 1, 2, 3, first week and then 4, 5, 6, and then 7, 8, 9. And I stood up at the front. I explained, we went through that book. And then we went through another book. And then we did the first book again. And then I set up the second group. And then both of the groups ended at the same time the study of whatever books we were looking at, after about six months. And then I was done. And by then, I knew it felt better to just leave. And that's when I started kind of my practice that I do now and the work that I do now. And that's when clients began to come to me and began to show up. And I started being able to make a living doing what I do now. And that was - what was also fascinating about that is that at the beginning, the first year or two I got lots of people who were saying - well there were two groups. One group would say, I've gotten everything from Abraham I can get. And so now I've found you and now I feel like all of my questions are being answered. Because that is the difference between Paul and Abraham's. Paul directly answers the questions that people ask whereas Abraham will take the questions and use them as examples for teaching. And Paul will say very clearly we don't teach. We remind. And that's a big part of what they talk about. And they're always kind of reminding people that that's what they're doing. So that was one group. But then there was another group much smaller. Who would kind of show up, they would sort of pop their head up somewhere and say, You're just copying Esther. I'm like, you need to come and see that this is very different. But it took me awhile to be able to realize that I was right when I said that. Because I would, every time someone would show up to say that, I would sort of think, well maybe they're right. Maybe I'm just mimicking. And then I would ask people who'd been to every single Abraham workshop since 1993 and say, Is this the same? And they would say, No, it's absolutely different. The words are enough the same to where I don't get lost. And that's when I begin to realize, Oh, that's why I went to Abraham school. Was so that I would learn that language. So that happened for the next couple of years and then by about 2010, I was in my element and I was rocking and rolling and that's what's been going on ever since. Getting better and better, but you know, pretty much... Slade: Yeah, so currently, because I've been to live events like what you describe. The trance channeling event that I went to was a much smaller, like a circle, kind of thing. 20 people. It wasn't a full-on conference hall kind of experience. But channeling is obviously different than what most people expect from a psychic reading and so... Frank: Yes. Slade: Just kind of describe for people how do you do your work? How do your followers or clients experience these messages? How do you put them out there? Frank: Well, the way people - I don't know how people find me. Because I don't advertise. They just show up. And that's perfect. That's exactly right. But in terms of how I interact with people or how they interact with Paul, I do have, well, I guess I have three different types of experiences that people can get into. First there's a thing that's been going on since 2010 called the Village, which is just a series of weekly calls that happen twice a week now, used to be three times but now twice, and you just, it's open. You bring whatever question you have and there are people from all over the world who come into those calls. The other thing that I do, and I don't do it every week but almost every week is, I have a Saturday through Friday series of conversations that happen at the same time every day. 10am Eastern Time. And people come in with - there's a little, it's on a specific topic and there'll be a 10 - 15 minute initial sort of conversation about it and then time for people to ask questions about it after that. And so that's - they can, that's one way of sort of coming in a little bit closer because those conversations are much more intimate and they're very specific. So people come in with specific questions on a specific topic, like it might be, their self-image, body, creativity, their work, money. Any... It can be, or just general metaphysics, sometimes. So there's that. And I also do private sessions where people can talk one on one. One of the strategies, for lack of a better way of putting it, that I've developed is, I kind of keep the private sessions over to the side. Because there was a period of time when I had what I like to call “looky-loos", who came in and would do one private session and they would not read any of the things I had written about what a session is like, and they would come in and be like, Tell me about my Aunt Esther. And I'm like, ... did you... and Paul would basically read them the Riot Act and say, This is not fortune telling. This is not that. This is not mediumship. There are other people. Go to them. But if you want to find out about you in relationship to your Aunt Esther, whether she's alive or dead, we can talk about that. But we can't tell you about her because we're not talking to her we're talking to you. And that, I began to realize... So now, in terms of pricing, if somebody comes to the website, you can book a private session, but it's going to cost a whole lot of money. And I do that specifically because I don't want people just coming in off the street doing that. I'd rather them go in through, either the Village or through actually the morning series calls. Because there it's a really good way to get exposed to the material. I also have tons of samples. I don't even know how many hours now. But lots and lots of them. So there's lots of opportunities to sort of hear what it's like and then decide if it's right. Because it isn't right for everybody. And I would not suggest that anyone who generally considers themselves to be a psychic or to be interested in intuitive development, a lot of the people you work with, that that's not going to be enough. You're going to want to have something a little bit more because I don't like to say that this is advanced material, because it isn't, but we talk a lot about things that, as far as I know, are not being discussed anywhere else. But then again, I don't really know because I don't pay attention to what anyone else is doing. But I do know that Paul is very direct with people and is very clear and that's not for everybody. Because some people, and I do hold you responsible for this by the way, Slade. Slade: Why? Frank: Because you're - that thing that you say. Where 83% less flowers or something. Slade: Oh, okay! Frank: It comes from that. It literally comes from that. Because there was something that, there was like the first time I ever saw your website and I saw that, it was like a bell went off. And I thought, Of course! That's actually what makes what I'm doing very different. Because there's no soft pedaling. It's not hard information. It's not scary information. It's just very direct. It's like, You are doing this and you can do something different. Which is very different than saying, Well, you know, some people do it in this way and then you could maybe think about doing it in that way. It's very direct. Gets right to the heart of the matter of whatever the person is bringing to the table. Which I very much love. Because, to me, that's the most useful thing you can do. But it's not what everybody wants. And I wouldn't pretend to think that that would be right for any particular specific person. Only the other person is going to know. I would never know. So that's why I like to kind of give people the ability to sort of float in and float out and see what they like and what they don't. And then if they want to go deeper, there's lots of other opportunities to do that. Slade: You'd be the perfect person to ask the question about what kind of message do you feel like perhaps it's something that comes through when you're doing these sessions with Paul and the Communion of Light. A message that you feel like is missing from a lot of other new age channels and I don't mean channel in the literal sense. I just mean any kind of platform that produces these types of conversations. This type of subject matter. Is there something that you sort of want to put out there that you don't feel gets said enough? Frank: Well, if you want to hear, yes. There is one very specific thing. But it's kind of an assholey thing for me to say. Slade: That's alright. Frank: Okay. So it's that, it's basically - how much can I curse? Slade: You can curse all you want to. I'll put a little red E on the episode. Frank: Okay. Stop. Fucking. Manipulating. The. Universe. Stop trying to manipulate the Universe to give you what you want. It doesn't work. And I know you agree with me on this. Well, actually I don't know that. I suspect you do. What I hear a lot of new age people saying is, Here's how you're going to convince the Universe to be on your side. And that's not the way it works. The Universe is absolutely positively on your side. In a way that you can't even begin to comprehend because there's no person who is on your side the way the Universe is. Because every person has an ax to grind. And that makes them distinct from you. That's part of the set up of physical reality is that there's a distinction between you and someone else. And the distinction is not the body but rather the intention that causes the body to happen. So the thing that really - it doesn't bother me. It's just like, there's a lot of, How can I massage the Universe, how can I convince the Universe to do what I want it to do? You can't. You can't control it. But you can direct it. But directing and controlling are two very very different things. You can direct and say, this is the intention that I have. And then you have to stand back and let it happen. And you can't control it. And there's sort of an idea in the new age new thought arena where if I can figure out how to control my mind, control my body, control my events, control my circumstances, control my situations, control my relationships, then I'll get all the things that I want. But that's impossible. You literally can't control any of those things. Slade: Yeah... Frank: Because control is the illusion that we generate because we believe, and this is getting right to the heart of stuff Paul talks about, because we believe we live in a chaotic universe and we are supposed to be controlling things. It's not just something that people do who have a pathology. It's what you're supposed to do because otherwise you are going to get in a shitload of trouble. Slade: So what can we do instead? How should we orient ourselves away from that in another direction? Frank: Well my favorite thing that Paul says is, Give up now. Give up early. Give up often. Give up immediately. Give up constantly. Always give up. Always give up. And that's another one of those new age things where people will come around and be like, Never give up! Hold on to your dreams. No. Actually, give up your dreams. Not because you're now giving them away and you're never going to have them again. But because the Universe actually... it's not like the Universe ever forgot that you had a dream. And it's not your job to work on it. So the practical, most practical thing, in my opinion, is, and it's to be willing to let go of whatever it is that you're trying to get. Slade: Mmm... Frank: But the key there is willing. It's amazing how many people will be like, will say, I don't want to give up what I'm working on. Well, you don't have to give up on it. Just be willing to give up on it. And the way Paul puts that is, still, somebody will say, Well, I'm intending to create this experience. And they'll say, Okay... First and foremost, are you willing to not have it? And of course, you know, even people who've been asked that question many times will say, No, I'm not. I really, really... I need it. I want it. I've got to have it. I've got to get it. And then I say, Well, you're going to have a very hard time getting to it because as long as you NEED it, you're always going to be in a state of needing it. And means that it will be over there, not over here. You don't accomplish NEEDING something by getting to it or making it happen. Even the people you think are doing that, even when you think you've done that in the past, that's not how it happened. It happened because you let go of it long enough for it to come to you. Because that's the way this is designed. Everything comes to you. Nothing is supposed - you're not supposed to be reaching out for anything. You can, and it's okay if you do, but let it come to you because everything is designed to come to you but not in the sort of Shirley Temple Good Ship Lollipop sort of way that most people think that means. Like, well then everything will be exactly perfect. No! Shit is still going to happen. But you need shit to happen. Because that's part of the physical experience. That's how you define the difference between one thing and another. Is by noticing, This is something I don't want. And so that gives you the opportunity to decide, well this is something I do want. But not want as in need, but want as in have a preference for or have an affinity for. Slade: Mmm... Frank: And as I've begun to kind of, for myself, really take a lot of this in and try to walk as much of the talk that comes out of my mouth as I can, what I've noticed is, my desire for stuff has diminished. Greatly. Slade: Mmm... Frank: Whereas I thought, I was always afraid for a long time that all of this talk how manifestation works in creating your own reality, I would end up being very greedy. But actually the exact opposite has happened And I find myself more delighted to be in the midst of what I'm beginning to realize other people are probably judging me for, which I don't really give a shit about, and I don't give a shit about it. They're like, You should be - and I say this very jokingly - you're as good as Esther. Why don't you have three houses and 15 gazillion clients and selling 19,000 best-selling books because you're not working, you're not doing what you're supposed to do? No, I'm doing exactly what I want to do. And I don't want any of that. I thought I wanted it. Because it seemed like this very Good Ship Lollipop kind of thing that would be really great to have and then I would be in the middle of all of this whatever it is that she has and, I don't want what she has. I mean, I love that she has it. I think that it's fabulous. But I don't want it. This sounds much loftier and much more exalted than I mean it. It's just, being willing to give up what it is that I thought I wanted has allowed me to discover what it is that I truly, truly, truly love. Which I feel like I've just barely scraped the surface of. Slade: That was awesome. I love all of that. I'm just taking it in. I'm glad I asked you that question. It was a last minute add. Alright, let's switch gears just a little bit. There's somebody out there listening right, who feels like they might be emerging as a Channel. They're going through that experience that you were going through 10 years ago. So what do you recommend that they do first? Frank: Well... Oh that's a really good question. It would depend. And so I'll give a couple of scenarios. The part... So the story that I've told about my own process is stretched out because I'm really stubborn. But I also had to kind of learn who I was. And that didn't happen 'til I turned 40. Really, truly. And that was 10 years ago. So all that summer of 2007 stuff was right after I turned 40. And that's kind of when I became a real person, in my opinion. Because everything else I'd been doing was, I was trying to satisfy other people's desires, and that's - if you're willing to become a Channel, you're going to discover all of the shit that you've been trying to pull on yourself your entire life. You can't get away from it. And that's not for everybody. But the simple most practical thing I would do is I would either get a coach, a mentor, someone else who's done it, or really go to the basics, which is that book. There's never been a better book written on this topic than Opening the Channel. It is - and if you do what they say in the way that they say it, and you do it in the order and in the amount of time it takes, not one day, but over a series of weeks into months, it will work. You'll also discover what it is that you're really wanting. When, back in that summer of 2007, there was a guy that I knew in Dallas who I went and had lunch with one day. And I was telling him about, it was after I'd been to San Antonio, and I was telling him about what I'd seen and what had happened and all that. And he, because his way of teaching is to be an asshole, so what he did was, he said, This is all about your ego. And I was like, Well, yes but except for the part where I'd done this long enough to know that it isn't about my ego. I would be willing to walk away from it. I'm not trying to do this to become famous or become like, although I probably didn't say that at the time, but I was pretty aware of it at the time. But what he was pointing out was, you're going to get to sit in all of your stuff and that's, it's not for the faint of heart. And I'm not saying it's hard. It's actually, this is actually a very simple thing to do. It's just that it requires you to move into a place psychologically, mentally, energetically, where you're willing to let go of what you think is supposed to happen. And for me, that's what channeling - for me it's a daily practice. That's what channeling is. Is it allows me to sit and let something much bigger than me happen. Through me. And to be willing to not have to figure out what I'm going to say next or how I'm going to do it or how I'm going to show up. Just to be able to recognize the right people, right place, right time, right way, is what's going on. Always. So the willingness to fall back into that and to be open to it is first and foremost. And when I say willingness, I don't mean ability to do that. It's WILLINGNESS. Because everybody has the ability to do that already. Organically. As a part of their nature. The willingness is where the rub is. If you're willing to let it happen, it will happen. But you don't - and it's not 100% willingness, it's just a little bit, in my experience. So again, the practical thing is: a. Get help. Don't do it by yourself. Even if that means just a book. Or.. because they also did a set of recordings, Sanaya and Duane did, on this, for that book. But get someone else to help you. And be aware of the fact that not mediumship, which is a very different thing, but channeling as in, just letting this energy come through you, is about being willing to let something bigger than how you perceive yourself happen. And it sounds really exalted and, Ohmygod, that's of course exactly what everyone and all people should be doing. But it's scary as shit. Because when the rubber meets the road, you've still got your identity of yourself and how you are holding yourself together and what you're supposed to be doing to make things happen. And channeling will challenge that. It's not difficult and it's not really as scary as I'm making it sound. It's just that it's like a very fast course of psychotherapy. Slade: Well it sounds like if you are listening to this and you feel like that is your path, the easiest thing for you to do as a human being, period, is to simply move in to it. And move through it. Right? Frank: Yeah. And it's not going to feel simple. But it is the simplest thing. Slade: I don't want to run out of time, and I could talk to you all day and we could just go and go and actually people could just go to you and listen to more of you. But I want to give you an opportunity to talk about - you have a new book that just came out today called, This Morning, Over Here: A Memoir That Never Happened. Tell us about that. Frank: Well, briefly. It's a little novella that I wrote about a month ago as just something that came to me and it's a story about me moving over into what Paul likes to call a Parallel Reality. And I just wake up one morning and I have everything that I've ever wanted. But I don't have everything that I know. And it's sort of like, 24-hour period of walking through this reality trying to figure out who I am now, and it's - I wrote it, it's kind of in the tradition of Jane Roberts The Over Soul Seven series of books and taking some of these ideas and putting them into practice. But hilariously, yesterday, because I knew I was going to release this today, I asked Paul, Okay, could this actually happen? Because I knew they were involved in this. In fact, they're quoted in the book to a certain extent. And they were like, No, you can't. You literally can't do that. And they explained why, in a lot of detail, much longer than we have here. But they said thinking about it is really helpful thing because being aware of the fact that every idea manifests, every idea manifests. It just may not manifest with you. Is a very powerful thought. And there's a lot you can do with that. So I really enjoyed the process of writing the book. I really love the story for a variety of reasons. And it was one of those experiences where I, exactly what they said yesterday is exactly what I discovered. Which was, as I wrote the book, I could see the ME that moved over into this other reality started kicking ass a little bit more than I normally do. And I was kind of like, Oh, I like that! I like what's going on over here. And it wasn't the stuff. It was what happened in my personality, how I adapted to it. So it was fun to write. And it's a really quick read. It's only 24,000 words so it's maybe a couple of hours at the most. And I just had a lot of fun with it. And it's up on Amazon, so... Slade: Links in the show notes. I'll put a link in there for sure. So, Frank, it's been really wonderful just to kind of hear your story laid out in chronological fashion like that. Tell everyone where they can go online to find you. Frank: So it's really easy. Just go to CommunionofLight.com and there's a bunch of things there. You can contact me through there. You can listen to hundreds or samples of things that I've done over the last 10 years, or last 7 years, really. Or you can jump in and enjoy some of the things we're doing. And get in touch! let me know you heard this conversation. I'd love to talk to anyone about the topic of channeling or whatever it is that comes up for you. And so, thats where you can find me. That's where I'm at. Slade: Well I feel really honoured to get to capture some of your time and wisdom today. It was really terrific. Thank you for coming on. Frank: Well thank you! It was a real pleasure and what a lot of fun as always talking with you. OUTRO Thanks again for listening to the Shift Your Spirits podcast. For show notes, links, transcripts and all the past episodes please visit shiftyourspirits.com You can subscribe in iTunes or Stitcher or whatever app you use to access podcasts. If you’d like to get an intuitive reading with me, or download a free ebook and meditation to help you connect with your guides please go to sladeroberson.com and if you’re interested in my professional intuitive training program, you can start the course for free by downloading the Attunement at automaticintuition.com BEFORE I GO I promised to leave you a message in answer to a question or a concern you may have. So take a moment to think about that — hold it in your mind or speak it out loud. I’ll pause for just a few seconds….right…now. 1…2…3…4 MESSAGE Do it or don’t do it. When it comes to purpose, at some point it’s about action and it’s a choice; it’s a decision you make. But just keep in mind, if you’ve been given something really wonderful to share with the world, it’s not selfish for you to do so. It’s the exact opposite. It’s terrible for you to withhold your gift. Let us have it. And I’ll talk to you later.

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