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When seasoned AI builder and inventor Lohith Naidu teamed up with a recruitment veteran, they created Hireko.ai, a “digital twin” recruiter that can see facial expressions, hear tone, and hold human‑like conversations with thousands of candidates at once. On this episode of Marketer of the Day, Lohith explains how Hireko helps enterprises move beyond identical, AI‑written resumes by running smart video interviews that reveal who candidates really are, not just what their CV says. https://youtu.be/EiDuhzX2-j0 Lohith shares how his experience at Amazon, Microsoft, Roblox, and Bing prepared him to build ultra‑fast conversational AI and how his co‑founder's 20 years in recruiting exposed the bottlenecks of traditional hiring. He also opens up about “micro sufferings," the long nights, overlapping full‑time work and startup life, and the mental strain of solving hard problems and how those struggles built the resilience behind Hireko. Looking ahead, he believes AI won't replace humans, but that people who know how to use AI will replace those who don't. Quotes: “AI isn't here to replace humans; it's here to amplify the humans who are willing to learn it.” “Resumes are starting to look the same because AI writes them, real conversations and real faces are where the true differences show up.” “Every late night, every hard problem, and every micro suffering compounds into the one thing no one can copy: your experience.” Resources: Lohith Naidu on LinkedIn Hireko AI

Luxury skincare can't just look beautiful anymore. It has to build trust, feel approachable, and actually work. And the brands that can balance all three are the ones that win. Daniel sits down with Blair Lancer, CMO of Lancer Skincare, to unpack how you modernize a legacy beauty brand without losing the clinical credibility and heritage that made it iconic in the first place. From bringing “your mother's skincare brand” into a new generation, to balancing Dr. Lancer's medical authority with Blair's lifestyle-driven voice, to refreshing the brand without doing a full rebrand, Blair shares what it really takes to make a heritage brand feel relevant again. They also dive into influencer trust, why celebrity cachet doesn't hit the same way it used to, and why transparency is the marketing hill Blair would die on. If you're a Marketer trying to evolve a brand, connect with a younger audience, and build trust in a crowded category, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Blair: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/blair-lancer-596b3ba6/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What if your best marketing asset isn't another campaign—but the knowledge already sitting inside your company?In this episode, Katie Robinson shares how a simple effort to organize project data evolved into a firm-wide knowledge management program that transformed marketing, improved proposals, accelerated employee development, and even reduced insurance premiums. What started with binders on a closet floor eventually became a strategic advantage for the entire firm.  Katie explains how marketing and knowledge management can work together to unlock better storytelling, stronger positioning, and smarter strategy. The lesson is simple but powerful: when your data and expertise are accessible, marketing becomes proactive instead of reactive.What you'll learn in this episode:Why marketing and knowledge management should work together inside a firmHow organizing internal data can dramatically improve proposals and marketing materialsA simple way to start capturing institutional knowledge—even with basic tools like ExcelHow one firm increased usable project data from 20% to over 95%Why assigning “data managers” to projects improved both accuracy and employee developmentHow better data can unlock proactive marketing instead of reactive marketingWhy storytelling becomes stronger when you combine beautiful visuals with real performance dataHow internal data ended up benefiting departments far beyond marketingAbout Katie RobinsonKatie Robinson is the Chief Marketing Officer at LS3P, an architecture, interiors, and planning firm with offices across the Southeast United States. With more than two decades at the firm, Katie has helped guide LS3P through significant growth while building innovative systems that connect marketing, knowledge management, and business strategy.Her work focuses on capturing the knowledge inside the firm—project data, performance metrics, and team expertise—and turning it into compelling stories that resonate with clients and strengthen the firm's competitive position.Katie oversees both the marketing and knowledge management teams at LS3P, enabling the firm to combine data, insight, and storytelling in a way that helps projects stand out long before the proposal stage.Connect with Katie:LinkedInLS3P WebsiteText us what you think about this episode!

Engineers vs Marketers: How to Bridge the Communication Gap in BusinessEngineers and marketers often see the world differently. One focuses on how things work, the other focuses on how people understand and connect with it.But when these two perspectives come together, something powerful happens: innovation that people actually understand and want.Because success isn't just about building something great… it's about helping people see the value in it.Watch as we explore how bridging this gap can transform collaboration, marketing, and innovation.Marketing with Russ...aka #RussSelfie, Episode 599Featuring Paul McCroreyConnect with Paul:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/paulmccroreyWebsite: mccroreydigital.comConnect with Russ: www.russhedge.com#MarketingWithRuss #MarketingStrategy #Engineers #MarketingTips #BusinessCommunication #Entrepreneurship #MarketingMindset #BusinessGrowth#Innovation #Leadership #MarketingAndEngineering

Marketers spend too much time chasing new ideas when the smartest move might be repeating the ones that already worked. Jay and Daniel break down one of the biggest time-saving strategies in modern Content Marketing: reposting and repurposing your best content.  They explain why audiences don't remember most posts, why a 90-day repost window works incredibly well, and how brands can get better results by recycling top performers instead of constantly creating new content. Daniel shares how he tracks high-performing posts and reuses winning hooks across memes, videos, text posts, and more. Jay explains why Marketers overestimate how much their audience remembers and why repeating your core ideas is actually the fastest way to grow. If you feel like you're running out of content ideas, this episode is your reminder that you probably already have everything you need. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

Eoin Clancy (VP of Growth at AirOps), Connor Beaulieu (Senior SEO Manager at LegalZoom), and Adina Timar (Head of AEO at Weflow) join this live session to talk about how to create high-quality content with AI. Connor walks through a workflow his team built at LegalZoom to automatically source expert quotes.. Adina shows how she rebuilds competitor pages from scratch using sales calls, LLM data, and live competitor analysis. And Eoin shares the research behind why content quality is now the single biggest lever in AI search. If you want to see what content engineering actually looks like in practice, this one is for you. Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterLearn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/***Brought to you by:AirOps - The content engineering platform that helps marketers create and maintain high-quality, on-brand content that wins AI search. Go to airops.com/exitfive to start creating content that reflects your expertise, stays true to your brand, and is engineered for performance across human and AI discovery.Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive. Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.Compound Growth Marketing - A full-funnel demand generation agency that helps high-growth cybersecurity, DevOps, and enterprise software companies drive more pipeline through AI SEO, paid media, and go-to-market engineering. Visit compoundgrowthmarketing.com and tell them Dave sent you.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In dieser Folge nehme ich dich mit auf eine spannende Reise durch die Welt der Verkaufspsychologie und zeige, was wirklich im Kopf deiner potenziellen Kunden passiert. Du erfährst, warum es keinen magischen Kaufknopf gibt, welche Rolle das limbische System spielt und wie Emotionen den Unterschied zwischen Ignorieren und Handeln ausmachen. Ich erkläre praxisnah, wie du mit relevanten Reizen und gezielten Botschaften die entscheidenden Filter im Gehirn durchbrichst – damit dein Marketing und Vertrieb wirklich Wirkung zeigen. Ob du Dienstleister, Marketer oder Unternehmer bist: Diese Folge hilft dir, die Psychologie hinter Kaufentscheidungen besser zu verstehen und für deinen Erfolg zu nutzen. Hör jetzt rein und erfahre, wie du nachhaltigen Vorsprung im Marketing erzielst!

Thanks Pressable for supporting the show! Get your special hosting deal at https://pressable.com/wpminuteBecome a WP Minute Supporter & Slack member at https://thewpminute.com/supportOn this episode of The WP Minute+ podcast, Ben Pines shares his journey from being an early employee at Elementor to starting his own consulting business focused on founder-led marketing. He discusses the unique challenges business owners face in marketing, the importance of building authority, and the current state of the WordPress plugin market. The episode also includes thoughts on attention, monetization, and distribution, with an emphasis on the need for a strategic marketing approach. Ben also highlights the significance of community engagement and finding internal motivation for business owners. Takeaways:Founder-led marketing requires a unique mindset and hunger for business.Trusting others to represent your brand can be challenging for owners.Building authority involves being in the know for your audience.SEO is becoming less effective for plugin marketing.WordPress product monetization strategies need to adapt to changing market conditions.Community engagement is crucial for building relationships and authority.Balancing human connection with scalability is a key challenge.Internal motivation is essential for business owners to succeed.Important Links:Ben's WebsiteConnect with Ben: LinkedInThe WP Minute+ Podcast: thewpminute.com/subscribe ★ Support this podcast ★

TrulySignificant.com honors Jacqueline Perez, founder and CEO of Kuel Life, a leading voice in the movement to normalizing aging for women over 50. Listen to Jacqueline riff about visable leadership, reinvention, positioning mid life women as a powerful cultural and economic force. This is a point in history with the sheer number of women over 50 hitting a record high. Marketers must pay attention, celebrate unique strenghts and contributions of women in their prime years.Be inspired by this brilliant, insightful conversation. Visit www.kuellife.com today. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/success-made-to-last-legends--4302039/support.

Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We're breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.In this episode, Elena and Rob explore why sustainability advertising is so hard to get right and what brands can do to close the gap between what consumers say they value and what they actually buy.Topics covered:   [00:55] "Sustainability Advertising: A Literature Review and Framework for Future Research"[01:50] The gap between sustainable intent and action[04:00] The three levers of sustainability advertising: ad context, source characteristics, and message design[05:30] Why consumers don't trust sustainability claims and when third-party cues help[06:15] The sustainability liability: when "eco-friendly" hurts perceived performance[07:40] What brands can do to make sustainability messaging actually work  To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.  Resources: Rathee, S., & Milfeld, T. (2023). Sustainability advertising: Literature review and framework for future research. International Journal of Advertising. https://doi.org/10.1080/02650487.2023.2175300 Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Why Authority Now Matters More Than Visibility in B2B Content With AI making it easier than ever to create content, B2B buyers are drowning in a sea of digital noise. To rise about the generic, “AI-slop”, the new differentiator is no longer only visibility, but the ability to convey authentic brand authority. More often than not, it is the perceived credibility and depth of a brand's messaging that decides whether B2B companies are shortlisted or ignored by well-informed decision makers. So how can B2B companies build a solid thought leadership strategy that creates trust and sets them apart from competitors? That's why we're talking to Jamie Thomson (Copywriter and Founder, Brand New Copy), who shares his expertise and insights on why authority now matters more than visibility in B2B content. During our conversation, Jamie emphasized that true authority is built through consistent communication and unique insights rather than controversial stances. He criticized the over-reliance on AI for content ideation and encouraged businesses to focus on their unique selling points and authentic company culture. Jamie stressed the need for documented brand positioning and strategic messaging to build credibility across all channels. He also underscored the value of thought leadership and social proof in signalling authority, and suggested that businesses should invest in understanding and documenting their positioning for success in the long run. https://youtu.be/k4H-0M5ZL7g Topics discussed in episode: [02:47] The end of easy visibility: Why AI overviews and shifting algorithms mean you can no longer control traffic through traditional SEO alone. [07:09] Redefining authority: Authority isn’t about being controversial or loud; it is built through the consistency of your message and brand voice. [13:31] Chasing the right metrics: Why “visibility for visibility’s sake” is a vanity metric, and how to tie your content strategy to actual business outcomes.  [19:39] The credibility anchor: How being consistent with your own unique data and statistics keeps your brand from becoming an “average” forgettable competitor.  [21:42] Messaging for committees: A simple 3-step formula to establish messaging that resonates with human decision-makers, even in complex B2B environments. [27:35] Signaling authority: Practical ways to use “social proof” and unique data to back up your claims in proposals and on your website.  [31:18] Future-proofing your brand: Why documenting your positioning today is the only way to maintain longevity over the next decade. Companies and links mentioned: Jamie Thomson on LinkedIn  Brand New Copy  Copywriting Course at Brand New Copy Transcript Jamie Thomson, Christian Klepp Jamie Thomson  00:00 You know, maybe it’s a personality thing, but like, I’m not particularly controversial in my marketing and I do think people take that stance, like we are the young upstarts, or we are going to make a point of disagreeing with this company so that we can get engagement, whether they believe what their sort of stance are taking or not. It’s, it’s almost that sort of strategy of, there’s no such thing as bad press, and it’s probably effective short term and that’s why people are doing it. But if you’re looking to build a sort of a future proof business, comes back to that idea of authority being a bit consistency, unless your whole strategy is to be controversial, it’s more of a short term gain tactic. I think strategy is even a strong word. I think it’s a tactic. Christian Klepp  00:48 With AI making it easier than ever to create content, B2B, buyers are drowning in a sea of digital noise. To rise above this noise, the new differentiator needs to be delivered through authority. More often than not, it’s the credibility of a brand’s messaging that decides whether they’re shortlisted or ignored. So how can B2B companies leverage this and build their credibility? Welcome to this episode of the B2B Marketers on the Mission podcast, and I’m your host, Christian Klepp, today, I’ll be talking to Jamie Thomson, who will be answering this question. He’s an award winning copywriter and founder of Brand New Copy who puts strategy at the center of the process to define what the copy should achieve. Tune in to find out more about what this B2B Marketers Mission is. Okay, and off we go. Mr. Jamie Thomson, welcome to the show, sir. Jamie Thomson  01:34 Hi, Christian. It’s good to speak to you again. Thanks for having me on. Christian Klepp  01:38 Great to have you here. I mean, we had such a dynamite conversation. Like, a few weeks ago, I should have, like, hit record on that conversation too, right? Like, yeah, absolutely, Jamie, I’m really looking forward to this conversation because, you know, one of the things that you’re going to talk about today is, like, near and dear to me as somebody that also dabbles in the world of copywriting for B2B, but um, so here we go, right? So Jamie, you’re on a mission. I’m going to say, to help B2B companies to define their messaging, strengthen their positioning and communicate with authority across every channel. So this is really serious stuff here. Okay, so for this conversation, I’d like to focus on the topic of why authority now matters more than visibility and B2B, right? So I’d like to kick off the conversation with two questions, right? And I’m happy to repeat them. First question is, why do you believe authority is important, especially in an age where AI is creeping into B2B content and everything else. And where do you see a lot of B2B brands falling flat with the authority piece? Jamie Thomson  02:47 Yeah, so I think, I think authority is more important now than ever has been because, like you said, because there’s a lot of like, LLMs (Large Language Models) now kind of doing a lot of the marketing work that was maybe, you know, handled by humans before. I think that you know, sort of the sort of background context to this is that, you know, as Marketers, we don’t have as much control over the visibility of our content as we used to like Google, for example. You now have AI (Artificial Intelligence) overviews. So even if you get to like position one in Google, you’re still at the bottom of the page. Because you’ve got your AI overviews, you have sponsored results, and then there’s the organic listings underneath. And even if you’re position one, you’re still at the bottom of the page earlier. As a result, website traffic has reduced, and people aren’t getting the same kind of like traffic numbers that they used to on LinkedIn as well, like the way that the algorithms are sort of working nowadays. There doesn’t really seem to be any regular reason as to which posts perform well, it seems to be the sort of casual, off the cuff posts that seem to seem to get a lot of attention. There is a genuinely useful, you know, thought leadership stuff has kind of been pushed to the back burner a little bit. So I think authority is important because we don’t have as much control over visibility as we used to, and I think it’s the genuinely useful content that is the stuff that’s going to get shared, whether or not the algorithms are going to push that. So if you have produced a piece of content that has, like, really unique data points that is genuinely useful to other businesses, and it’s get shared online. It’s going to get shared internally between companies, and it’ll get linked to as well. And again, like to answer your second question, and where do a lot of sort of B2B brands like sort of miss the mark? I think. I think the main thing is that they’re the content that they’re producing isn’t genuinely useful. They are a lot of brands across industries that are kind of seeing the same thing as their competitors. And I don’t know for sure, but I have a sort of inclination that is down to LLMs, because they’re kind of relying on like chatGPT for their ideas. They’re asking chatGPT to give them ideas for content. And, you know, chatGPT, it can give you the output, but it can’t give you the input. You know, it’s a technology of averages. So if you’re looking to LLMs for ideation, it’s going to give you the average of what everyone else in industry is saying. So it’s important that your businesses are really doubling down on their ideation and things that make them unique as a company, like their unique selling points, their value propositions, their company culture. You know, the people behind the business, that’s kind of what makes a company’s culture and chatGPT, llms, they don’t really have any first hand experience of that, and it’s such a nuanced thing that you’re never going to get like effective results if you’re asking LLMs for the ideas in the first place. If you’re using it for execution, to help guide style and tone a little bit, then that’s fair enough. But, yeah, it’s important that brands are sort of really doubling down on the ideation. You know, that’s that, I think, just genuine, unique insights that people are actually going to be interested in reading. Christian Klepp  06:38 Absolutely, I had a couple of follow up questions for you there. I mean, this is great stuff. This might sound like overly, like simplified. I mean, for lack of a better description, but like, just, let’s clear the air here a little bit. Define, from your experience and your own interpretation, define authority, because that also gets thrown around very loosely, I feel almost as, almost as much as the term you’ve got to add value. I mean, like, you know, what does that actually mean, right? Jamie Thomson  07:09 Yeah, yeah. So to me, authority is about a brand communicating their messages in a consistent way, whether that is the actual content of the messages or the way that they actually communicate it, in terms of brand tone of voice. So authority, to me, is about consistency, more than it is about being emphatic or controversial or overly confident. It’s more about consistency and how they communicate their messages to their audience. Christian Klepp  07:44 You brought up something there, and I’m going to throw out another question, because I you find this a lot on LinkedIn, at least from my experience, that people put out a lot of pieces. I’m going to just dare to say under the guise of authority, but what it actually is like, just an extremely contrarian point of view. And it’s almost like, you know, I’ve got a I’ve got to just put my thoughts out there, because I want my voice to be heard. But it’s not necessarily authority. It’s just like disagreeing with the status quo. What’s your take on that? Jamie Thomson  08:15 Yeah, I mean, to me, that’s, that’s kind of it’s almost performance marketing. It’s just performing, if it’s like visibility for visibility’s sake, you know, maybe it’s a personality thing, but like, I am not particularly controversial in my marketing, and I do think people take that stance like we are the young upstarts, or we are going to make a point of disagreeing with this company so that we can get engagement. You know, whether they believe what their sort of stance are taking or not, it’s it’s almost that sort of strategy of, there’s no such thing as bad press, and it’s probably effective short term, and that’s why people are doing it. But you know, if you’re looking to build a sort of a future proof business, it comes back to that idea of authority, being about consistency, unless your whole strategy is to be controversial. It’s more of a short term gain tactic. I think strategy is even a strong word. I think it’s a tactic. It’s not really magic. Christian Klepp  09:19 Yeah, yeah, I love that. You said it was performance, performance marketing. You know, it almost feels like they’re, they’re, they’re playing the algorithm, or they’re trying to, like, just get more engagement. And it’s true, like, whether they actually believe what they’re saying or not, at least they’re getting more eyeballs on all look what this guy said, Yeah. Jamie Thomson  09:38 I mean, you see it in so many different ways. Like, a lot of the time, it’s with job postings as well, like, especially for for consulting season freelancers, you see, like you have a potential opening for a freelance position, you know, comment below if you know anyone that would be interested. Then again, I don’t know for sure, but I seems very performative to me. Has that company actually reached out to people directly about the job? Have they advertised on job sites, or are they just posting about it as a potential opportunity for the sake of engagement, knowing that people will be replying and tagging other people? And yeah, it’s that kind of a short term tactic. Christian Klepp  10:22 Exactly, exactly, before we go on to the next question, I have one final follow up for you on this topic, right? Like so where, where do you do you believe that sometimes things go awry with brands because a it’s about time and speed. They need to get something out quickly. They needed the day before yesterday. And hurry up and let’s, let’s get some, let’s get some volume out there. Let’s get plenty of content out there, right? So one, that’s one thing. The second thing is, do you feel that they missed the mark? Also? Because they, I’m just gonna say it, they just generally don’t understand who the target audience is. Jamie Thomson  11:03 Yeah, I think you’re writing both accounts there. I mean, you know yourself Christian, how long it takes to produce a good piece of content. It takes research. It’s not something that you can kind of write in half a day. So I do think that’s part of it. There’s that sort of pressure of always having to be seen. And so, yeah, I think, I think people are putting stuff out. A lot of businesses put stuff out either because it’s trending, because they see other people are doing it, or because they have, you know, they’ve asked an early lens for topic ideas as a technology of averages, it’s going to give you ideas that are already out there. So yeah, I think that’s definitely part of it. And then the second part, I think you’re totally bang on with that as well. I think a lot of people just don’t really understand what their positioning is in the industry. I say people, I’m talking about businesses, but at the end of the day, it’s still people that you’re talking to, like even though it’s B2B is business to business, the people making the decisions are still human beings, so your content needs to resonate with them. And I think people now have this kind of detector of when something is has been genuinely thought out. You know, thoughtful content is it’s kind of becoming few and far between because of like LLMs and because people can produce things quickly, and it’s kind of content for content sake. So yeah, I think people just don’t understand their positioning in industry and what their values are, and what stands they’re taking really, kind of just jumping from, you know, from one topic to the next, hoping that something is going to go viral, you know, which I guess they’re hoping will then lead to some sort of business outcome, ie, sales. But the stuff that makes the sales is the stuff that really, that had to be kind of properly thought out, in my opinion. Christian Klepp  13:06 Yes, oh yeah. Imagine that, wow, properly thought out. Absolutely, absolutely. I’m glad you brought that up, because that’s a great segue into the next question about key pitfalls, right? When we’re talking about like a brand building its credibility and authority. What are some of the key pitfalls that B2B Marketers and their companies need to look out for, and what should they be doing instead? Jamie Thomson  13:31 Yeah, I mean, I think that the key, one of the key pitfalls that I see as the whole visibility for visibility’s sake, you know, it’s, it’s kind of a vanity metric, in a way that so, like, you’ve made this piece of content and it’s been made 1000 times, or you’ve made the post and it’s been linked by 200 people, you know, and unless that is tied to a business outcome, it’s, it’s just visibility for visibility’s sake. And so one of the key pitfalls is, I think a lot of companies don’t tie their content strategy to their business outcomes enough. They’re kind of chasing engagement because it looks good in reports, so it’s good to stakeholders. But the reality is, unless that content has resulted in an inquiry or a product sale. You know, how successful has it really been? If it was just like a one off, let’s try this, unless it’s part of our strategy, but it’s a one off and it hasn’t really resulted in a sale or an inquiry, then can we deem it to be successful? And that’s up for the business to decide. But think that’s a common pitfall. And I think the second one for me is just what we said before about trends like I see a lot of because I work with businesses across a few different industries, mostly finance, technology, energy and sort of sustainability, and I see a lot of businesses jumping on trends in terms of the things that they’re talking about, like their messaging. It’s almost like one person has started talking about it, and they’re keeping an eye on their competitors, and they think, well, we need to keep up with that. So we need to have an opinion on this as well. And I mean, there’s a time and a place for jumping on trends, especially if it’s something if it’s something that there is an expectation on that company to respond to, like a world event, but it needs to be part of their overall strategy for it to be effective. Otherwise, it’s just, it’s just reactive. It’s kind of fire fighting. It’s, it’s not really cementing any like real foundation for the future. So yeah, those would be my two common pitfalls that I see. Christian Klepp  15:50 You’ll excuse me if I’m grinning here, but you’re the point you brought up just reminded me of a client that I worked with many years ago. I’m not going to say who it is to protect their identities, but they, part of the briefing was that they asked us to come up with a viral video, okay? And to which I said, you know, respectfully, respectfully, you don’t get to decide if your video is viral. That’s something that the market decides and and believe it or not, Jamie, it was in fact, it was in fact, a B2B campaign. So that that already in itself, made me scratch my head a little bit at the brief, yeah. And it was one of those moments where, okay, well, why are we why are we doing this, what are we hoping to achieve? What’s the outcome? And how is that exactly? How does that tie in, like you said to your business goals, right? And they basically said, Well, everybody’s, you know, something to the effect of all everybody’s doing one so, you know, we think, we think it’ll be good to do this as well. And I think those are one of those moments in my agency, days where we were very confident that we will be okay if we walked away from that project, and we did, we just said, like, Sorry, can’t help you, right? Because I just even in my my wildest dreams, I could not imagine how we would have been able to pull that off, not from a production perspective. Because, you know, if you want to make a video, that’s there’s many ways to do that. I didn’t know how to pull it off from a marketing, distribution perspective. You know what I mean, like, Jamie Thomson  17:37 that’s stuff that’s kind of out with your control as an agency, as the creator of the content, or even as a business like you said, viral videos are meant to be it’s not really something that’s meant to be manufactured. It’s like a bit of a yeah, there’s just too many anomalies that needs to come together for something to go viral. So it’s a very difficult thing to manufacture without, of course, like paying for views or that kind of thing. You know, I’m a big, I’m a big sort advocate of it. Sometimes what you don’t say that is as important as what you do see, you know, you don’t need to be everything to everybody all the time, Christian Klepp  18:21 Especially in B2B. Jamie Thomson  18:22 Yes. Christian Klepp  18:25 Can you just imagine? I mean, you mentioned a couple of industries now, finance, tech and energy. Can you imagine if you had an energy client now that was also trying to reach out to finance people? Jamie Thomson  18:33 Yeah, yeah. That’s the thing. It’s like, yeah. Businesses need to understand their audience and but more importantly, they also need to understand their positioning in industry, like, what is? What are they known as in the energy sector? Are they the scrappy upstarts? Are they the established, like an international company, who are respected because, because all these things influence the way that they communicate and and the way that they speak to their audience as well. And you know, if a viral video fits that strategy, then I guess, fair enough, if you can try and manufacture but more often than not, I would say it’s more about being consistent, sticking to the plan. It’s an expensive gamble. It is an expensive gamble. Christian Klepp  19:22 Expensive gamble. Yes, all right, in our previous conversation, you talked about, you know, it’s the credibility of a brand’s messaging that decides whether they’re shortlisted or ignored. Could you elaborate on that? Jamie Thomson  19:39 Yeah, I think, I think the sort of credibility anchor comes from the consistency side of things. If you are consistently communicating your messages in a way that is also consistent with brand voice. Then you are more likely to be remembered by people like I think there’s a marketing statistic that that says the average consumer. I know we’re talking about business to business, but people, in general, the average like consumer. They need 12 touch points in order to like for that to result in a sale for a business. And so that could be like, they need to see the same message 12 times before it really hits home, or before they realize that’s something that they need. I’d imagine it’s probably even higher on social media, where people are consistent with schooling. But given that sort of like 12 touch point, like the sort of demonstrates the need for how consistent you need to be in order to have the credibility. And if you’re not being consistent and you’re just saying the same thing as everybody else, then you are essentially becoming like an average brand like everybody else, and that’s forgettable, whereas, you know, the companies that are really sort of digging deep into their own data and their statistics and the signals that we are seeing in the industry that only they have access to, that they can make known in their communications, then those are the ones that are ultimately going to be remembered. Christian Klepp  21:14 Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely. And on that note, if you could just walk us through how you think B2B. Marketers can use that messaging and copywriting to establish credibility, especially in the B2B context. We’re always talking about decision makers or buying committees, so we’re not always we’re not just talking about one person, right. We’re talking about, as the name suggests, a committee, so a group of people, right? Yeah. Jamie Thomson  21:42 And I mean, the way that I sort of generally do it is with clients. I host a workshop, and like during that workshop, we would first of all establish their messaging. So what is it that the business wants to see in the first place? And then we work out, like priorities, what messages are the most important for the specific channels that the business uses. And then you look at like more on the execution side of things like the tone of voice and the style and that kind of thing. But you know, businesses can do this themselves in house, following like a sort of simple three step like formula, essentially just deciding what they want to say, ie, their messages, which messages are the most important and how do they want to communicate? It like with the last part on the execution, that’s where LLMs can be useful, checking grammar, working things from notes, using it like to proof. But the initial idea needs to come from the business. So yeah, I think by following that process, it makes the ultimate like the sort of final content, appear more thoughtful, and people do pick up on that, like that. There’s a reason that reports and statistics and like white papers do well for generating leads. It’s because they’re they are genuinely useful. They’re thought leadership pieces, as opposed to just one person’s opinion, who is maybe the same as someone else’s or the opposite controversy for controversy sake? Yeah, people can really tell when, like, a piece of content has had a lot of thought into it businesses, notice that it’s just that’s the kind of content that resonates with people, like I said before, like, even, even though it’s business to the business, you’re still communicating to people, regardless of who the target audience is and the industry and the demographics, it’s still a person that’s making the decisions as to whether they’re going to use that company’s services or buy their products. Christian Klepp  23:54 Absolutely, absolutely. And I think another thing that can also be kind of fun to do in B2B, especially with white papers and reports, and what have you is to extract some of those, like nuggets, right? Extract some of those, some of that data. And I’m just gonna throw one of them out there, right? Like many years ago, we worked with a company that did the produced steel. And I can’t remember how much steel they produce, but they said, you know, we produce enough steel that can, you know, it’s enough to, you know, we can wrap the you can, you can wrap around the Earth four times, right, something along that line, right? Or, or even, even at home, like with a with a consumer product, so we have the plastic wrap, and it actually says on the packaging that this can cover an entire football field, right? Just facts where it’s almost like, did you know, or hey, by the way, right? And then you can get into something more serious too, because we, you know, we’re dealing with reports like that as well. Like, you know, last year, last year, most retail brands invested about month. 30% more on AI. And if you’re in the industry, you might be like, Yeah, I kind of knew that they were investing in AI, but all 30% more of their budget. What exactly are they investing in? And, yeah, that’s, that’s why you should download the reports. Jamie Thomson  25:20 Lots of information in the way that you presented to the public, it becomes interesting. And like, as you know yourself, that’s kind of the job of a copywriter, is to simplify that complex information. Like, you know that the fact that, like, the plastic wrapped around the world four times, like, that’s quite viable. I can visualize that as a consumer, and I think, oh, that’s that’s be cool. But if you just came through the cold, hard stats within context, or that’s sort of like visual with it, it doesn’t really mean much to me. And yeah, that’s kind of the job as communicators. And sort of B2B is to simplify that complex information. Look for the nuggets, and if you have a generally useful report that can be enough to give you, like, months worth of content, like on social media and sort of thought leadership articles, just like expanding on an idea within that report. So yeah, like, it might take a bit of investment up front, initially, to get the data, and get the process for gathering that data and getting the methodology in place. But once, once you’ve done that, and you’ve written the report, and it’s out there that gives you content for potentially months. Christian Klepp  26:32 Absolutely, absolutely. And I think that’s one of the challenges of a copywriter, right? Like, how do you there’s this expression in North America, like, how do you get more juice out of the squeeze, right? So, how do you stretch that? Give it, give it more longevity, right? Beyond, beyond. Well, here’s the report, off you go, right? Like, just like you said, like, stretch it out for you in like, months. You know, have more ammunition for, like, social, media content, you know, promotional content, perhaps even something on the website, something along that line, yeah. Jamie Thomson  27:07 I said, so the strategy has the words, if you have the strategy in place, then that stuff will follow, because you’ll have thought about it before the report was even published. So. Christian Klepp  27:18 Yep. Jamie Thomson  27:19 Yeah. Christian Klepp  27:19 Yep, absolutely, okay. I mean, on the topic of authority, give us some practical techniques for signaling authority across websites, campaigns and proposals. And I know this isn’t a one sentence answer, off you go. Jamie Thomson  27:35 Yeah.I think the first thing that comes to mind is taking a stance. And I don’t mean being controversial, but I mean having a clear idea of where the company stands in the industry, like what their positioning is. That in itself, is a useful technique. It’s not something that you can, like achieve overnight, but like with a workshop with someone and getting it all documented, that can give you a clearer sense of purpose as a business. I also think demonstrating, demonstrating expertise, like through thought leadership, content is a really useful technique for signaling authority. You know, if you know as a company, you may not even realize it, but you have access to data that other companies don’t. That in itself is unique, even if you don’t have as much data, or if your data says something different from your competitors, it’s still your day and it’s still useful. And that’s the kind of thing that can be turned into thought leadership content. You know, we’ve discovered that 50% of x, you know, prefers this. That kind of like insight driven. Like content is the stuff that generally performs well because people are naturally drawn to it and they find it genuinely useful. Yeah, I think it’s just that kind of idea of like social proof, like showing that you know what you’re talking about as a business, rather than simply telling people, because that’s what, that’s what, like LLM content tends to do. It makes vague claims that anybody can make, but you know, the proof is in the pudding, that the businesses that actually demonstrate their expertise are the ones that get remembered. And so yeah, that kind of comes through thought leadership stuff, which is data driven, even if as simple as, like social proof, like providing evidence of a case study that you have written with a client, or, like a business outcome that is a signal of authority that shows that you can back up. All the claims that you’re making in your messaging. Yeah, yeah, those would be my kind of, like, top two practical tips. Christian Klepp  30:12 Absolutely. Well, you’ve laid it out so beautifully. It sounds, it sounds, you know, on the from the outset, like, very easy to do, but we all know that. You know, in reality, it’s, it’s, it’s much more, much more challenging, right? Jamie, I know that you’re, you know you’re, you’re an award winning copywriter, and you’re not a sage, and your job is not to prophesy, but I’m gonna have to ask you to, like, assume that role for a second. All right, looking like just down the road with everything that’s going on now, and, you know, we’ve talked about AI and LLMs and whatnot. Perhaps some practical advice, as we’re now at, you know, at the time of this recording, at the beginning of 2026 what are some advice that you would give B2B companies who are saying like, yes, we would love to build our credibility, but AI and LLMs, you know that all seems to be creeping into everything that we do. Give us some advice on how to deal with that moving forward. Jamie Thomson  31:18 Yeah, that’s a good question. I think my sort of advice would be to take the time to understand your positioning and to document it. So, you know, it’s that kind of the way that the sort of marketing is going and the way that the industry is evolving. I do think the businesses that are going to like be here in the next 10 years are going to have that like longevity, are the ones that are kind of investing the time and now to understanding where they are positioned in their industry and where they want to be positioned in 10 years time. But crucially, like having it documented so that it’s being used consistently across the business you know from from sending internal emails to writing reports for the public. So from a practical point of view, that’s things like understanding like the business values and how the work the company is doing is a reflection of those values, and how that’s communicated to people. If it’s like a business that’s selling a product, like, what are the unique selling points of the product? What are the benefits to the end users? And how are we seeing that? You know, because in a lot of B2B industries, I think the sort of the strategy of competing on features is becoming a bit redundant. As technology improves. It’s quite difficult for companies to be able to claim unique features, because everybody can has access to the same tools. And so really, what if you flat that on its head, and you kind of look at look at it from the customer’s point of view, whether the customer choose one company over another that’s essentially got the same product or service that’s going to come down to like brand ability, and how much the company is able to like, empathize with the target audience, if they can really understand what their pain points are, then that business is ultimately going to choose that service over another, and that that comes down to, like, having it all documented, you may have, like, an intuition about what these things are, but as your business evolves, your intuition about these things will change and you’ll get scope creep, or you’ll want to jump on trends. If you do have it documented as an internal process, you’re more likely to stick to it in the future. And if you do get to the point that you want to change your positioning in industry, because you’ve maybe you’ve had more success than anticipated, or something in the market has changed, then that in itself should be a process. You should go back to the drawing board and look at what processes you have documented, and think what needs to be changed here before you are reactively moving in a different direction. That would be my advice to put my kind of like futurist cap on that’s, that’s what I would say.   Christian Klepp  34:23 Yeah, yeah. Well, that’s some pretty that’s some pretty solid advice. And, you know, thanks for sharing that. I totally agree. People have to understand their positioning in the market. Most importantly, also, they have to document it. It’s, it’s amazing how many companies I’ve worked with that don’t document that kind of, I wouldn’t call it a projection, but it’s almost like, okay, the positioning, what you know, and their vision, like, where do they what do they aspire to become? Right? I know that sounds like more individualistic, but you can, you can, you know, you can put that into the context of organization as well. Like, what do you aspire to become in 10 years and 20 years? Where’s this business going to go? Jamie Thomson  35:06 Absolutely, that’s it. Like something doing my own business with clients. Like, if someone asks me if someone’s going if a company is going through a rebrand and they need their website rewritten to reflect the new positioning, like, the first thing I suggest is, well, let’s get a workshop work out what you want to say. I’ll create a messaging guide for you, and I’ll create a total voice guide for you. And then sometimes you get a push back and you say, Well, why do we need that? I guess the answer is, well, I could rewrite your website. I could make it up as I go along, if you want, but not going to be anywhere near effect as effective as it would be if we have all this kind of important stuff documented in the first place, like, you need to have a structure, you have a plan, you have a strategy before the sort of the execution happens. And if you do the first part, well then, like, the actual execution of it, whether we’re talking about writing or or any other sort of like campaign that last 20% almost. It’s just like the icing on the cake, because when you get there, you already know what you want to see, how you want to see it, just kind of need to get, don’t get the content down, whether you’re whether it’s filming, whether it’s from heads key fingers to keyboard, that sort of 20% kind of comes a lot easier when there’s a plan, when there’s a structure in there from the start. Christian Klepp  36:29 Absolutely, absolutely. Jamie, this has been an incredible conversation. Thank you so much for coming on and for sharing your expertise and experience with the listeners. Please, quick introduction to yourself and how people out there can get in touch with you. And for those that are listening to the audio version of this recording, Jamie and I are actually color coordinated today. Jamie Thomson  36:53 We were emailing each other before making sure that we were. Christian Klepp  36:58 That’s it. That’s it. That’s it. Jamie Thomson  37:01 Thanks very much for having me on Christian like I said, like, I have listened to the podcast and myself over the over the past few months, and I’ve resonated with a lot of the sort of content that, like your your other guests have been putting out there. So yeah, it’s like, really a privilege to be on it. And yeah, like people can get in touch with me. Well, just explain who I am. I mean, my name is Jamie, and I’m a strategic copywriter and messaging strategist. And I run a copywriting studio called Brand New Copy, and I have done since 2013 and I help brands establish their messaging and their tone of voice through workshops and deliverables like thought leadership, articles, white papers, annual reports, website copywriting. And I also provide training to businesses, agencies and other copywriters. And I have a flagship course called the Brand New Copywriting course, which opposite the strategy behind copywriting. So yeah, if you wanted to get in touch with me, the best way would be through email, which is Jamie Thomson at brandnewcopy.com Christian Klepp  38:13 Fantastic, fantastic. And we’ll be sure to drop those links in the show notes when this episode is published. So once again, Jamie, thanks so much for your time. Take care, stay safe and talk to you soon. Jamie Thomson  38:22 Thanks, Christian. Christian Klepp  38:24 All right. Bye for now.

If you are a talented speaker but still struggle to get booked consistently, the problem is rarely your speaking ability. The real problem is visibility, positioning, and systems. Many speakers are excellent on stage but invisible to the people who actually hire speakers. In this episode, Sean explains why most speakers fall into what he calls the Invisible Speaker Trap and how to break out of it. You will learn why speakers must think like marketers, how positioning determines your speaking fee, and what event planners are actually looking for when they search for speakers. If you want to become a bookable and paid speaker, this episode shows you the strategic shifts required to move from occasional bookings to consistent speaking opportunities. Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction 00:48 Why Most Speakers Are Not Getting Booked 02:05 The Invisible Speaker Trap 03:30 Why Consistency Creates Bookable Speakers 04:15 You Are Not Just a Speaker. You Are a Marketer 05:10 Define Your Speaking Category and Niche 06:25 The Importance of Solving a Specific Problem 08:05 Visibility Is Non Negotiable for Speakers 09:05 Who Are the Gatekeepers That Book Speakers 10:30 Why LinkedIn Matters for Speakers 11:05 What Positioning Really Means 12:30 Why the Market Determines Your Speaking Fee 13:50 Understanding Value in the Speaking Market 15:00 Event Planners Need Certainty 16:05 Why Your Social Profiles Must Say Speaker 17:10 Differentiating Yourself from Other Speakers 18:10 Building Systems for Visibility 19:20 Marketing and Visibility Work Together 20:00 Becoming the Only Option for Event Planners 21:00 How Sean Closed a Speaking Gig Through Email 21:30 What Is Coming in the Next Episodes Key Takeaways 1. Most speakers are invisible Many speakers are talented but unknown to event planners. Visibility is the difference between occasional gigs and consistent bookings. 2. You must define your niche before building your talk Event planners do not book generalists. They book specialists who solve a clear problem. 3. You are a marketer first Unless you are speaking daily, you are primarily marketing your speaking business. 4. Positioning determines your fee The market decides what you are worth based on your credibility, expertise, and perceived value. 5. Visibility must be intentional Podcast appearances, media features, LinkedIn content, and speaking systems create consistent exposure. 6. Event planners want certainty Their reputation is on the line when they hire a speaker. Your positioning must communicate credibility and clarity. Resources Mentioned The No BS Guide to Getting Booked to Speak - bit.ly/getbookedtospeakguide Booked and Paid Speaker Blueprint Program - bit.ly/BookedPaidSpeakerBlueprint LinkedIn HARO (Help a Reporter Out) About the Booked and Paid Speaker Blueprint The Booked and Paid Speaker Blueprint is a step-by-step system designed to help speakers become consistently visible, booked, and paid. Inside the program you will learn how to: Build speaking lead systems Get booked on podcasts and in the media Position yourself as the expert in your niche Increase your speaking fees through better positioning Create a consistent pipeline of speaking opportunities Connect with Sean Website - The Success Corps - www.TheSuccessCorps.com LinkedIn www.LinkedIn.com/SeanDouglasTEDxSpeaker Subscribe and Review If you found value in this episode: Subscribe to the podcast on your favorite platform Leave a rating and review Share this episode with a speaker who wants to get booked and paid Your support helps more speakers escape the Invisible Speaker Trap.

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“Authenticity” is one of the most overused words in Marketing. And if you're still chasing it like it's a strategy, you're already behind. Daniel sits down with Christina Le, Head of Marketing at Slate, to unpack what “authentic” content actually means in a world where every post is performative, reviewed, and optimized for attention. From why audiences don't really want raw unfiltered honesty, to what people actually mean when they say “be authentic,” Christina shares how social teams can stop chasing gimmicks and start building a message that sticks. They also dive into why depth beats distribution in the age of AI sludge, how to avoid shiny object syndrome, and why social media only works when you treat it as social and media, not just posting and ghosting. If you're a Marketer trying to win on social without burning out your team or pumping out forgettable content, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Christina: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesechapters/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the AI wars, switching AI, and why relying on a single AI vendor can jeopardize your business continuity. You’ll discover how to build an abstraction layer that lets you swap models without rebuilding your workflows and see practical no‑code tools and open‑weight models you can use as a safety net. You’ll understand the essential documentation and backup practices that keep your AI agents running. Watch the full episode to protect your AI strategy. Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-switching-ai-providers-backup-ai-capabilities.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, it is the AI Wars. Katie, you had some thoughts and some observations about the most recent things going on with Anthropic, with OpenAI, with Google XAI and stuff like that. So at the table, what’s going on? Katie Robbert: I don’t want to get too deep into the weeds about why people are jumping ship on OpenAI and moving toward the cloud. That’s in the news, it’s political, you can catch up on that. The short version is that decisions from the top at each of these companies have been made that people either agree with or don’t based on their own values and the values of their companies. When publicly traded companies make unpopular decisions that don’t align with the majority of their user base, people jump ship. They were like, okay, I don’t want to use you. We’ve seen it with Target and many other companies that made decisions people didn’t feel aligned with their personal values. Now we are seeing people abandoning OpenAI and signing on to Anthropic’s Claude. That’s what I wanted to chat about today because we talk a lot about business continuity and risk management. What happens when you get too closely tied to one piece of software and something goes wrong? We’ve talked about this on past episodes in theory because, up until now, software outages have generally been temporary. You don’t often see a mass exodus of a very popular piece of software that people have built their entire businesses around. Before we get into what this means for the end user and possible solutions, Chris, I would like to get your thoughts, maybe your cat’s thoughts on what’s going on. Christopher S. Penn: One of the things we’ve said from very early on in the AI space, because it changes so rapidly, is that brand loyalty to any vendor is generally a bad idea. If you were a hater of Google Bard—for good reason—Bard was a terrible model. If you said, I’m never going to touch another Google product again, you would have missed out on Gemini and Gemini 3 and 3.1, which is currently the top state‑of‑the‑art model. If you were all in on Claude, when Claude 2.1 and 2.5 came out and were terrible, you would have missed out on the current generation of Opus 4.6 and so on. Two things come to mind. One, brand loyalty in this space is very dangerous. It is dangerous in tech in general. Not to get too political, but the tech companies do not care about you, so there’s no reason to give them your loyalty. Second, as people start building agentic AI, you should think about abstraction layers. This concept dates back to the earliest days of computing: we never want to code directly against a model or an operating system. Instead we want an abstraction layer that separates our code from the machinery. It’s like an engine compartment in a car—you should be able to put in a new engine without ripping apart the entire car. If you do that well when building AI agents, when a new model comes along—regardless of political circumstances or news headlines—you can pull the old engine out, install the new one, and keep delivering the highest‑quality product. Katie Robbert: I don’t disagree with that, but that is not accessible to everybody, especially smaller businesses that view software like OpenAI or Google’s Gemini as desperately needed solutions. We’ve relied on Claude and Co‑Work, its desktop application, heavily. Over the weekend I realized how reliant I’ve become on it in the past two weeks. If it stopped working, what does that mean for the work I’m trying to move forward? That’s a huge concern because I don’t have the coding skills or resources to replicate it right now. What I’ve been doing in Co‑Work is because we’re limited on resources, but Co‑Work has advanced to the point where I can replicate what I would need if I hired a team of designers, developers, and marketers. It shook me to my core that this could go away. So what does that mean for me, the business owner, in the middle of multiple projects if I can’t access them? This morning Claude had an outage—unsurprisingly, the servers were overloaded because people are stepping away from OpenAI and moving into Claude. Claude released an ad: “Switch to Claude without starting over. Brief your preferences and context from other AI providers to Claude. With one copy‑paste, Claude updates its memory and picks up right where you left off. Memory is available on all paid plans.” For many people the ability to switch from one large language model to another felt like a barrier because everything built inside OpenAI couldn’t be transferred. Claude removed that barrier, opening the floodgates, and their servers were overloaded. Users who had been using the system regularly were like, what do you mean? I can’t get the work done I planned for this morning. Christopher S. Penn: There are two different answers depending on who you are. For you, Katie, as the CEO and my business partner, I would come over, say we’re going to learn Claude code, install the terminal application, and install Claude code router, which allows you to switch to any model from any provider so you can continue getting work done. Unfortunately, that isn’t a scalable option for everyone in our community. My suggestion for others is that it’s slightly harder but almost every major company has an environment where you can install a no‑code solution that provides at least some of those capabilities. Google’s is called Anti‑Gravity. OpenAI’s is called Codex. Alibaba’s can be used within tools like Client or Kil. If you have backed up your prompts and workflows, you can move them into other systems relatively painlessly. For example, Google’s Anti‑Gravity supports the skills format, so if you’ve built skills like the Co‑CEO, you can bring them into Anti‑Gravity. It’s not obvious, but you can port from one system to another relatively quickly. Katie Robbert: That brings us to the point that software fails—it’s just code. What is your backup plan if the system you’re heavily reliant on goes away? We’ve always said hypothetically, “if it goes away…,” and now we’re at that point. Not only are people leaving a major software provider, they are also struggling with switching costs. They’re struggling to bring their stuff over because everything lives within the system. A lot of people are building and not documenting, and that’s a problem. Christopher S. Penn: It is a problem. If you’ve been in the space for a while and understand the technology, backups and fallback systems have gotten incredibly good. About a month ago Alibaba released Quinn 3.5 in various sizes. The version that runs on a nice MacBook is really good—scary good. It’s about the equivalent of Gemini 3 Flash, the day‑to‑day model many folks use without realizing it. Having an open‑weights model you can install on a laptop that rivals state‑of‑the‑art as of three months ago is nuts. The challenge is that it’s not well documented, but it’s something we’ve been saying for two or three years: if you’re going all in on AI, you need a backup system that is capable. The good news is that providers like Alibaba, Quinn, Kimmy, Moonshot, and Jipu AI—many Chinese companies—ensure the technology isn’t going away. So even if Anthropic or OpenAI went out of business tomorrow, you have access to the technologies themselves. You can keep going while everyone else is stuck. Katie Robbert: If it’s not a concern for executives mandating AI integration, it should open eyes to the possibility of failure. Let’s be realistic—it’s not going to happen tomorrow, but it makes me think of the panic when Google Analytics switched from Universal Analytics to GA4. The systems aren’t compatible, data definitions changed, and companies lost historic data. Fortunately we had a backup plan. Chris, you always ran Matomo in the background as a secondary system in case something happened with Google Analytics, so we still had historic data. We’re at a pivotal point again: if you don’t have a backup system for your agentic AI workflows, you’re in trouble. Guess what? It’s going to fail, it will come crashing down, and you won’t know what to do. So let’s figure that out. Christopher S. Penn: If you’re building with agentic autonomous systems like Open Claw and its variants and you’re not building on an open‑weights model first, you’re taking unnecessary risks. Today’s open‑weights models like Quinn 3.5 and Minimax M2.5 are smart, capable, and about one‑tenth the cost of Western providers. If you have a box on your desk, you can run your life on it. You’d better use a model or have an abstraction layer that allows you to switch models so you can continue to run your life from this box. I would not rely on a pure API play from one major provider because if they go away, the transition will be rough. Now is the best time to build that level of abstraction. If you’re using tools like Claude code or other coding tools, you can have them make these changes for you. You have to be able to articulate it, and you should articulate with the 5B framework by Trust Insights. Once you do that, you can be proactive about preventing disasters. Katie Robbert: Is that unique to coding tools or does it also apply to chats and custom LLMs people have built? Obviously we have background information for Co‑CEO well documented, but let’s say we didn’t. Let’s say we built it and it lived as a skill somewhere. That’s a concern because we’ve grown to heavily rely on that custom agent. What if Claude shuts down tomorrow? We can’t access it. What do we do? Christopher S. Penn: The Co‑CEO—those fancy words like agents and skills—they’re just prompts. You can take that skill, which is a prompt file, fire up Anything LLM, turn on Quinn 3.5, and it will read that skill and get to work. You can do that in consumer applications like Anything LLM, which is just a chat box like Claude. The only thing uniquely missing right now is an equivalent for Claude Co‑Work, but it won’t be long before other tools have that. Even today you can use a tool like Klein or Kelo inside Visual Studio Code, install those skills, and have access to them. So even with Co‑CEO, you can drop that skill because it’s just a prompt and resume where you left off, as long as you have all data backed up and not living in someone else’s system, and you have good data governance. The tools are almost agnostic. All models are incredibly smart these days, even open‑weights models. I saw an open‑weights model over the weekend with 13 billion parameters that runs in about 12 GB of VRAM, so a mid‑range gaming laptop can run it. Co‑CEO Katie could live on perpetuity on a decent laptop. Katie Robbert: But you have to have good data governance. You need backups and documentation, then you can move them to any other system to make it more tool‑agnostic. If you don’t have good data governance or the basic prompts you’re reusing, we’ve been talking about this since day one. What’s in your prompt library? What frameworks are you using? What knowledge blocks have you created? If you don’t have those, you need to stop, put everything down, and start creating them, because you’ll be in a world of hurt without the basics. If you have a custom GPT you use daily, is it well documented—how it works, how it’s updated, how it’s maintained—so that if you can no longer subscribe to OpenAI, you can move to a different system. Katie Robbert: That move, especially if you’re using client‑facing tools, is not going to be overly traumatic. It’s not going to bring everything to a screeching halt. Many companies think everything will halt, but we haven’t explored personally what Claude meant by a copy‑paste migration. It feels like an oversimplification of what you actually have to do to replicate your system in Claude. Katie Robbert: But the fact they’re thinking about it, knowing people are panicking, is a good thing for Claude. It’s probably more complicated. The more you build, the deeper you are in the weeds, the more complicated it will be to port everything over. That’s why, as you build, you need documentation. Katie Robbert: That’s for nerds. Katie Robbert: I’m a nerd. I need documentation because it makes my life easier. You’re the first to ask, “where’s the documentation?” Do you have the PRD? Do you have the business requirements? I’m not touching anything until we have that. It makes me incredibly happy because look how much more you’ve accomplished with these systems and how zero panic you have about the AI wars—you can use whatever system you feel like that day. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. For folks listening, you can catch this on YouTube. This is my folder of all stuff—my Claude environment. It lives outside of Claude, on my hard drive, backed up to Trust Insights’ Google Cloud every Monday and Friday. It includes agents, document reviewers, the CFO, Co‑CEO, Katie, documentation, rules files for code standards, reference and research knowledge blocks, individual skills, and a separate folder of knowledge blocks. All of this lives outside any AI system—just files on disk backed up to our cloud twice a week. So no matter what, if my laptop melts down or gets hit by a meteor, I won’t lose mission‑critical data. This is basic good data governance. No matter what happens in the industry, if all the Western tech providers shut down tomorrow, I can spin up LM Studio, turn on the quantized model, and run it on my computer with my tools and rules. Our business stays in business when the rest of the world grinds to a halt. That will be a differentiating factor for AI‑forward companies: have a backup ready, flip the switch, and we’re switched over. Katie Robbert: If we look at it in a different context, it’s like the panic when a human decides to leave a company. You have that two‑week window to download everything they’ve ever done—wrong approach. It’s the same if you don’t have documentation for a human and no redundancy plan. If Chris wants to go on vacation, everything can’t come to a screeching halt. We’ve put controls in place so he can step away. We want that for any employee. Many companies don’t have even that basic level of documentation. If each analyst does a unique job and no one else can do it, you have no redundancy, no backup plan. If that analyst leaves for a better job, clients get mad while you scramble. It’s the same scenario with software. Christopher S. Penn: Now that’s a topic for another time, but one thing I’ve seen is the less you as an individual have fair knowledge, the more irreplaceable you theoretically are. That’s not true. Many protect job security by not documenting, but if everything is well documented, a less competent match could replace you. We saw Jack Dorsey’s company Block cut its workforce by 5,000, saying they’re AI‑forward. There’s a constant push‑pull: if you have SOPs and documentation, what’s to stop you from being replaced by a machine? Katie Robbert: I say bring it. I would love that, but I’m also professionally not an insecure human. You can’t replace a human’s critical thinking. If the majority of what you do is repetitive, that’s replaceable. What you bring to the table—creativity, critical thinking, connecting the dots before AI, documentation, owning business requirements, facilitating stakeholder conversations—is not easily replaceable. If Chris comes to me and says I’ve documented everything you do, and we give it all to a machine, I would say good luck. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, it’s worth a shot. Christopher S. Penn: All right. To wrap up, you absolutely should have everything valuable you do with AI living outside any one AI system. If it’s still trapped in your ChatGPT history, today is the day to copy and paste it into a non‑AI system, ideally one that’s shared and backed up. Also, today is the day to explore backup options—look for inference providers that can give you other options for mission‑critical stuff. No matter what happens to the big‑name brands, you have backup options. If you have thoughts or want to share how you’re backing up your generative and agentic AI infrastructure, join our free Slack group at Trust Insights AI Analytics for Marketers, where over 4,500 marketers—human as far as we know—ask and answer each other’s questions daily. Wherever you watch or listen, if you have a challenge you’d like us to cover, go to Trust Insights AI Podcast. You can find us wherever podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data‑driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage data, AI, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Services span developing comprehensive data strategies, deep‑dive marketing analysis, building predictive models with tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch, and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology, Martech selection and implementation, and high‑level strategic consulting. Encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic, Claude, DALL‑E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama, Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMO or data scientist to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights contributes to the marketing community through the Trust Insights blog, the In‑Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What livestream webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is its focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. The firm leverages cutting‑edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet excels at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations. Data storytelling and a commitment to clarity and accessibility extend to educational resources that empower marketers to become more data‑driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a midsize business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. Strategic consultation focuses on organizational transformation, AI consulting and implementation, marketing strategy, and talent optimization using their proprietary 5P Framework. Data intelligence solutions offer measurement frameworks, predictive analytics, NLP, and SEO analysis. Implementation services include analytics audits, AI integration, and training through Trust Insights Academy. Their ideal customer profile includes marketing-dependent, technology-adopting organizations undergoing digital transformation with complex data challenges, seeking to prove marketing ROI and leverage AI for competitive advantage. Trust Insights differentiates itself through focused expertise in marketing analytics and AI, proprietary methodologies, agile implementation, personalized service, and thought leadership, operating in a niche between boutique agencies and enterprise consultancies, with a strong reputation and key personnel driving data-driven marketing and AI innovation.

AI is rapidly changing how marketing teams operate. But technology adoption is moving faster than marketers themselves.In this episode of CMO Convo, Webflow CMO Dave Steer shares how marketing leaders should think about AI adoption, team structure, and the future of the marketing role.While AI can dramatically increase efficiency, the real challenge isn't the technology. It's helping teams develop the skills, processes, and critical thinking needed to use it effectively. As Dave explains, marketers currently have a short window to build AI fluency before the industry changes permanently. → Why marketing teams have a short “grace period” to become AI-fluent→ How leaders should introduce AI tools without overwhelming teams→ The risk AI poses to early-career marketers→ Why the marketer of the future will look more like a go-to-market engineer→ Why trust will remain the most defensible advantage for brandsFor marketing leaders navigating AI transformation, this conversation offers a grounded look at what skills, mindset, and leadership will matter most.

7 in 10 people globally say they're hesitant to trust someone different from them, according to the 2026 Edelman Trust Barometer. Trust is getting more personal. So where does that leave brands? This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob explore what it really means to build a brand in a world where trust is earned through experience, not messaging. They dig into why the gap between marketing promises and reality is so damaging, how to bridge online and in-person brand moments, and what channels like TV do for brand trust that others simply can't. Plus, hear real-world examples of brands that get it right, from Snickers to Disney to Jeep. Topics covered: [01:00] 2026 Edelman Trust Barometer findings on consumer trust[03:00] How much control marketers actually have over brand perception[06:00] Where marketing promises most often break down[08:30] Why marketers over-index on comms and under-index on product experience[11:00] The moment where brand actually happens[14:00] How TV builds familiarity that carries into other channels[17:00] Real examples of brands bridging TV and in-person experience To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.  Resources: 2026 Edelman Trust Barometer Report: https://www.edelman.com/trust/2026/trust-barometer Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 

Ads in ChatGPT have entered their trial run period. Instead of agency partners, it's brands like The Knot Worldwide that find themselves at the helms of OpenAI's ad push. Marketers like The Knot's CMO Jenny Lewis are navigating everything from performance metrics to infrastructure.

Inclusive measurement is more than a nice-to-have, says Charlene Polite Corley, Nielsen's VP of inclusive insights. Because undercounting Black, Hispanic and intersectional audiences isn't just a measurement failure; it's a missed growth opportunity for brands.

Have you ever walked into a room and instantly felt calmer, more energised, or strangely unsettled, without being able to explain why? What if the colours surrounding you right now aren’t just decoration, but a silent language speaking directly to your nervous system, shaping how you feel, what you choose, and even how you behave? In this eye-opening episode, we decode the hidden world of colour psychology and reveal something most people never consider: colour isn’t just something you see. It’s something you feel. While we spend hours choosing what to wear, what to paint our walls, and what brands to trust, we rarely stop to ask why certain shades pull us in and others push us away. The answer lies in your brain, and once you understand it, you’ll never look at colour the same way again. This episode reveals four transformative insights about how colour quietly architects your emotional world and how to use that knowledge to your advantage. The Hidden Language of Hues: Every colour you encounter is whispering directly to your nervous system. Neuroscience shows that when light hits your eyes, it sends signals straight to the hypothalamus, the part of your brain that governs emotion, energy, and even hormones. Bright yellows and oranges activate dopamine and serotonin, your brain’s happiness chemicals. Soft blues and greens lower cortisol, helping you relax and focus. That calm you feel in your doctor’s waiting room? That’s blue doing its job. The hunger that hits you in a fast-food restaurant? That’s red and yellow working in tandem. Your environment is constantly priming your mood, and colour is the quiet architect of your entire emotional landscape. The question is: are you choosing your palette, or is it choosing you? Red, the Power and the Passion: Red is primal. It’s the colour of fire, blood, and survival, and it grabs your focus faster than any other hue. That’s why it dominates stop signs, sale banners, and even lipstick. It signals energy, urgency, and desire. In marketing, red is known to increase heart rate and stimulate action. Think of fast-food logos with their bold reds paired with yellow, designed to make you hungry and decisive. But red isn’t just a tool for advertisers. In your personal world, it can be a powerful ally when used intentionally. A touch of red in your workspace can fuel motivation. Red in your wardrobe can help you exude confidence and passion. The key is remembering that red is powerful, and a little goes a long way. Blue and Green, Calm, Trust, and Growth: If red is fire, blue is water. Blue evokes trust, stability, and calm, which is exactly why it dominates the corporate world. From tech companies to healthcare brands, blue says “you can trust me.” It slows the heart rate, clears the mind, and invites focus. Then there’s green, the colour of life itself. It represents balance, renewal, and growth. Studies show that even brief exposure to green, like plants or nature scenes, can lower stress and enhance creativity. If you want peace in your bedroom, think ocean. If you want productivity in your office, think forest. These aren’t just aesthetic choices. They’re neurological ones. The Surprising Influence on Your Decisions: Colour doesn’t just influence how you feel. It shapes what you choose. Marketers have known this for decades. The colour of a “Buy Now” button can increase clicks by 30%. Restaurants use warm tones to make you order faster, while luxury brands use black, gold, and deep navy to evoke sophistication and control. Even social media platforms deploy colour psychology, with blue encouraging trust and engagement, red grabbing attention, and green signalling success. But here’s the empowering part: you can use this same psychology consciously. Want to feel confident during a presentation? Wear navy or emerald. Need focus while studying? Surround yourself with cool tones that calm the nervous system. When you understand colour, you stop being influenced by it unconsciously and start using it to design your emotional reality. This isn’t just an episode about colour. It’s an invitation to stop reacting to your environment and start creating it. What if your mood wasn’t random? What if the colours in your life were shaping your energy, your focus, and your happiness every single day? Science tells us they are. And the beauty is that you can choose your palette. Start small. Add a plant to your desk. Paint one wall a colour that lifts your mood. Wear a shade that makes you feel unstoppable. Then notice what shifts. Because every hue has a heartbeat, and once you start listening, your world begins to change from the inside out. You can watch the video of this episode on YouTube. Newsletter: https://catherineplano.com for transformation. Instagram: @catherineplano for inspiration.

Marketers are fighting on too many fronts. Budgets are tight, algorithms change daily and AI is flooding every feed with low grade content. This episode cuts through the noise and lays out the 2026 social landscape with absolute clarity.Chris and Will unpack the 12 trends shaping how brands win this year. The conversation covers AI brand bots, the rise of live shopping, the collapse of SEO into AEO, Google Lens changing buying behaviour, micro influencers outperforming big names, and the growing pressure on brands to be authentic rather than everywhere.Expect blunt truths, practical frameworks and a road map for where to put your time and money.Key takeaways • Where social budgets are being wasted. • Why micro influencers now outperform celebrity campaigns. • The platforms worth focusing on in 2026. • Why authenticity and community beat AI slop every single time.Ideal for marketing directors, social leads and CMOs who want a clear plan for the year ahead. Is your strategy still right in 2026? Book a free 15-min no obligation discovery call with our host:

In this episode of the FINITE Podcast, Jodi sits down with the brilliant Dario Debarbieri, CMO at HCL Software. With a career at the intersection of marketing and AI, Dario offers a candid look at the Intelligence Economy and what it means for the modern B2B marketer.We explore a world where artificial intelligence interacts with audiences in real-time, reading the sentiment of minute digital movements to deliver personalized content in exactly the right context. Dario explains why the traditional 4 Ps of strategy may now matter less than your data quality, and why marketers must evolve from artists into engineers to survive.Key topics covered in this episode include:The Intelligence Economy: Why data is the new oil and how to use the right tools to extract and refine it.Marketers as Engineers: How the role of the marketer is shifting toward technical precision and data science.Context is King: Moving beyond simple demographics to understand the situational context of your buyer.The Ethics of AI: Navigating the fine line between helpful personalization and creepy intrusion (e.g., following a customer to their Alexa at bedtime).Listen to the full episode to hear how hyper-personalization is setting companies apart and how you can prepare for a future where AI is the norm.

Marketers obsess with platform metrics, because these are the numbers they can tactically control the most. However, buried in every CPG product's design are hidden sensory variables that work with or work against the efficiency of marketing. Let me explain in this episode.Your Host: Dr. James F. Richardson of Premium Growth Solutions, LLC www.premiumgrowthsolutions.com Please send feedback on this or other episodes to: admin@premiumgrowthsolutions.com

Only 23% of AI-generated responses include clickable links to source websites. Thomas Peham, CEO and co-founder of Otterly AI, demonstrates how his platform tracks brand mentions across AI responses to drive measurable business impact for enterprise clients. The discussion covers strategic brand mention optimization over traditional link-building tactics and frameworks for positioning products within AI-generated recommendations rather than just earning citations for informational content.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

SEO isn't dead…but if you're not adapting to how AI surfaces answers, you're already behind. Daniel sits down with Mike Roberts, Founder of SpyFu and CEO of RivalFlow AI, to discuss what's actually happening in search right now, from zero-click results and AI overviews to the new rules of ranking in a world powered by LLMs. Mike explains how traditional SEO principles still apply, but need to be sharpened. Four page rankings? They still matter.  They dive into how AI re-ranks results, why answering more competitor questions wins, how to close content gaps that are costing you traffic, and why most Marketers misuse data by creating stories after the fact instead of forming hypotheses first. If you're a marketer trying to understand how to show up in AI search (without chasing hacks that will disappear in six months) this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Mike: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrspy/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

(Feb 27, 2026) Following President Trump's State of the Union address this week, we're checking in on how people around the North Country feel about the president a year into his second term; we talk with a worker in the Adirondacks' hospitality and marketing industry about why it's not just pushing paperwork; and the consistently cold temperatures bode well for Lake Placid's annual ‘Ice Out' fundraiser. 

Chris Walker built Refine Labs from $3,000 in the bank and $65K in debt to $22 million in revenue in roughly three years — 100+ employees, 350 software company clients, and arguably the most influential voice in B2B marketing. He created the "dark social" movement, redefined how an entire generation of marketers thinks about MQLs, and built a massive audience doing it. Then he walked away. Because the peak of the business was also the lowest point of his life.In this conversation, we get into what actually broke at the top, why changing your environment doesn't fix what's underneath, and what Chris means when he talks about "frequency" — stripped of the spiritual language and grounded in the engineer's brain he actually has. We debate whether you have to grind before you can transcend it, why limiting beliefs feel like facts, and why he thinks training your frequency will be as common as going to the gym within five years.We also go deep on extractive vs. regenerative systems — in business, content, social media, and relationships — and why the intention underneath your actions matters more than the actions themselves.I've been using Chris's ENCODED program for five months. I came in skeptical. I still have questions. But I can't deny what shifted. This one's worth your time whether you buy the concept or not.WHAT YOU'LL LEARNWhy building a $22M company was one of the worst periods of Chris's life — and what that reveals about external vs. internal successWhat "frequency" actually means as identity + beliefs + intentions, without the spiritual languageWhy changing your job, city, or business doesn't work if you don't change the foundation underneath itThe difference between extractive and regenerative systems — in business, relationships, and how you show up as a leaderWhy limiting beliefs feel like facts, and how to spot the invisible ceiling you didn't know you builtHow the intention underneath your actions — in content, business, and life — determines the results you getWhy Chris thinks frequency training will be as mainstream as going to the gym within 3–5 yearsBOOKS & RESOURCES REFERENCEDShoe Dog by Phil Knight — https://a.co/d/05UhJN4T ENCODED Frequency Map — https://www.encoded.ai/ We Are Encoded Podcast — https://open.spotify.com/show/5eEzaXy4hUSqlvzD9ROqrz

In this episode of Can Marketing Save the Planet, we are joined by Suzie Mills and Tim Brann, two of the co-founders of Oxygen Communications. We were keen to learn more about their research findings into the sustainability of UK purpose-led websites, which reveals a troubling disconnect between organisations' sustainability intent and their digital execution. Born during the first COVID lockdown, Oxygen Communications emerged from a desire to build an agency rooted in sustainability, accessibility, and inclusivity. Their recent research and report uncovered that many organisations, including B Corps, environmental charities, and sustainability consultancies are inadvertently contributing to the digital carbon problem. As Suzie explains, "The digital emissions sector is higher than the aviation industry, and yet the knowledge about the aviation industry is so huge.” The lack of understanding from a B-Corp perspective highlighted a gap in their current certification standards, although upcoming updates are set to change that. The research identified two primary barriers: a profound lack of awareness that websites even have a carbon footprint, and for those who are aware, it remains a low priority, consistently deprioritised against competing demands. Tim emphasised the opportunity that sustainable websites bring and how, “They aren't just good for the planet, they're good for business. They load quicker, are easier to access and navigate, there's a clear business case." Crucially, the team argues that small, low-cost changes like compressing images, removing auto-play videos, and choosing green hosting, can make a significant difference in emissions without requiring a full rebuild. A powerful example from their work, a simple audit for a hospice revealed that a tiny image of the Queen in the footer, present on every page, was a major emissions culprit. Reducing that single file size by 90% delivered a site-wide carbon saving. "Small things can make such a significant difference if you know where to look and what to do." Looking ahead, Suzie and Tim for would love genuine collaboration between marketing and web design teams, aligning success metrics around sustainability from the very start of any project, and embedding digital sustainability into organisation-wide strategy and policy. Tune in as we talk to Suzie and Tim about: Why even purpose-driven organisations have unsustainable websites. The two key barriers to action: lack of awareness and competing priorities, and how to overcome both. Practical, low-cost changes any Marketer can make today to reduce their website's carbon emissions. Why authentic storytelling means being transparent about both successes and areas for improvement. Grounding claims in measurable impact. The vital role of collaboration between marketing and web design teams to make sustainable digital practices the norm. You'll find links to the useful resources and signposts mentioned throughout the podcast here: The Report: https://designedbyoxygen.com/resources/sustainable-intent-unsustainable-web-why-the-gap/ Sustainable Comms Guide: https://designedbyoxygen.com/resources/guide-to-sustainable-communications/ Inclusive Comms Guide: https://designedbyoxygen.com/resources/guide-to-inclusive-communications/ A Masterclass we held a while back: https://designedbyoxygen.com/resources/sustainable-design-masterclass/ Website Sustainability Audit: https://designedbyoxygen.com/what-we-do/website-sustainability-audit/ General news & views all related to sustainable & accessible design practices: https://designedbyoxygen.com/exhale/ And finally, this is the webinar Suzie mentioned! https://www.myvision.org.uk/disabled-user-testing/ ________________________________________________________________________ About us… We help Marketers save the planet. 

Facts: AI started mainly as a marketing tool.

Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We're breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.In this episode, Elena and Rob explore why narrative ads work even when they say little about the product. The answer lies in image fluency. How easily a story can be pictured shapes how much people like the ad and the brand behind it.Topics covered:  [01:05] "Image Fluency and Narrative Advertising Effects"[01:55] The four steps of ad processing[03:00] How matching visuals change brand attitudes[03:55] Familiar vs. unfamiliar story scenarios[04:35] How to make your ads easier to imagine[05:00] Why clarity matters more than originality  To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.  Resources: Chang, C. (2013). Imagery fluency and narrative advertising effects. Journal of Advertising, 42(1), 54–68. https://doi.org/10.1080/00913367.2012.749087  Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 

My guest today is Bruce Bryan.  Bruce has written a book called Turning Tables: Everything I Needed to Know About Business I Learned as a Server.  A great premise for a conversation since I credit so much of my marketing skill from my time in night clubs. We talked about a lot of things such as: Empathy, prioritization, and communication Food service as a team sport The humility of a marketer Creating better ads Fixed mind v. Flexible mind ...and, a ton more.  Visit my website at www.DaveWakeman.com Get the 'Talking Tickets' newsletter at https://talkingtickets.substack.com Join our 'Talking Tickets' Slack Channel!   

In 2004, Wells Fargo's internal audit flagged a problem: employees felt they couldn't hit sales targets without gaming the system.The scandal broke 12 years later.Two million fake accounts.Thousands fired.Billions in fines.No one set out to commit fraud.They optimized for the metric.In this Sharp Cut, we break down Goodhart's Law — when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure — and show how the same pattern is operating inside marketing departments right now.We examine:Why CTR has near-zero correlation with brand growth (Nielsen, LinkedIn, Tracksuit data)How short-term ROAS creates long-term decline (Binet & Field)Why agency compensation structures reward activity over effectivenessThe MQL trap in B2BThe “cheap CPM” illusion and the cost of dull mediaAnd then we offer a prescription:How to redesign your metrics so they can't be gamed.How to pair opposing indicators.How to measure mental vs physical availability.How to ensure your dashboard actually changes decisions.This is not a rant about bad marketers.It's a structural critique of broken incentive systems.Because marketing doesn't drift by accident.It drifts because incentives are misaligned.Episode 1 of a three part series.Key Takeaways:Incentives can lead to unintended consequences in marketing.Goodhart's Law highlights the dangers of misaligned metrics.Wells Fargo's scandal exemplifies the risks of poor incentive structures.Digital advertising metrics often fail to correlate with brand outcomes.Short-term ROAS focus can deplete future demand.Agency compensation models may incentivize spending over effectiveness.MQL culture can overwhelm sales with low-quality leads.Cheap impressions may not translate to real engagement.Marketers should audit metrics for potential gaming.Effective measurement requires aligning metrics with business goals.Chapters:00:00 - Introduction 02:47 - The Wells Fargo Scandal: A Case Study05:50 - Understanding Goodhart's Law09:00 - The Metrics Trap: Digital Advertising Insights12:01 - The Short-Term ROAS Trap14:54 - Agency Compensation and MQL Culture17:58 - The Importance of Metrics and Accountability20:59 - Recap and Final Thoughts

#186: Jocelyn Rasor is the Director of Marketing at Lakeside Manufacturing Foodservice. And in this episode, Jocelyn and Pat go deep on what it's like to market in the manufacturing space.  Here's some of what they cover: ✔️Marketing Is There to Help Sales Win ✔️The Website Is a Sales Tool, Not a Brochure ✔️Breaking Into New Verticals Is Not a Marketing Decision ✔️Are Trade Shows: Worth It, or Could It Have Been an Email? That's just the tip.  If you're a CMO in manufacturing, this episode is a masterclass in focus, alignment, and practical advice! Connect with Jocelyn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jocelynrasor/ or check out the company at: elakeside.com. And if this episode sparks ideas about how your website and marketing engine could better support sales, let's talk.  Connect with Pat here: pmcgovern@ascedia.com   Oh, before you go, please do us a favor. Take a minute and leave us a review. That's the energy that powers this supertanker!  Thanks, you're the best! Want more marketing insights? Take a look at our full lineup. This podcast is sponsored by Ascedia. A web development and digital strategy agency helping clients win in the digital space.

In January 2026, a CMO at a six billion dollar software company scrapped his entire year's marketing plan only two weeks into the year. AI agents made it obsolete. Stephanie Postles, CEO of Mission.org, and Lacey Peace, VP of Content, explain in plain English what AI agents are, why they are fundamentally different from the automations marketing teams rely on today, and what this shift means for marketing jobs, team structure, and the skills that will matter most going forward. If you have confused AI agents with automation or wondered whether your role is safe, this episode gives a direct answer. Chapters (00:00) Introduction (01:51) The CMO Who Scrapped His 2026 Marketing Plan in January (03:23) What Triggered This, and Why It Happened in Two Weeks (06:30) What Is an AI Agent? (Plain English Definition) (09:15) AI Agents vs. Automation: The Key Difference (10:53) The Mindset Shift Required to Use AI Agents Effectively (13:19) What Happens to Marketers in Execution Roles (16:38) How Automation Reshaped Marketing Jobs Before (17:40) Do Marketers Need to Understand AI Internals (29:01) Is AI Coming for Marketing Jobs, The Honest Answer (30:05) What Marketers Should Do Right Now (37:28) Recap and What Is Coming Next ----Mission.org is a media studio producing content alongside world-class clients. Learn more at mission.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this engaging episode, hosts Megan Powers and Jen Larson take a further dive into the unpredictable world of podcasting and marketing. After a series of guest cancellations, the duo decides to turn the microphone back on themselves, sharing candid conversations about their current workloads, event planning, and the challenges of maintaining balance in a busy professional life.As they navigate their hectic schedules, the conversation touches on the importance of setting boundaries, the struggles of burnout, and the necessity of creating a structured routine to manage their diverse responsibilities. Megan and Jen also discuss the evolving landscape of podcasting, including the rise of video content and the impact of AI on creativity and marketing.Key Takeaways:- Embracing Flexibility: How adapting to unexpected changes can lead to meaningful conversations and insights.- The Importance of Boundaries: Strategies for managing workload and preventing burnout in a fast-paced environment.- Leveraging AI in Marketing: The benefits and pitfalls of using AI tools while maintaining authenticity in content creation.- Structuring Success: The value of creating a routine and dedicated planning time to enhance productivity.Join Megan and Jen as they explore these topics and more, providing a relatable and insightful look at the realities of marketing and podcasting in today's world.~._.*._.~Making a Marketer is brought to you by Powers of Marketing - providing exceptional podcast experiences & online and in-person events since 2013. Check out episode 185, and if our show moves you, please share it and let us know your thoughts!Take our LISTENER Community Survey!!! HERE** Our editor Avri makes amazing music! Check out his music on Spotify ! **

Email isn't dead. But most Marketers are measuring it the wrong way. Daniel sits down with Naomi West, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Customer.io, to break down what actually makes a “good” email and why beautiful design, open rates, and fancy templates aren't the metrics you should be obsessing over. From why web design trends fall apart inside the inbox, to why text-based emails often outperform heavily designed ones, Naomi unpacks the myths that are holding email marketers back. They also dive into lifecycle strategy, event-triggered emails, working with engineers, testing frameworks that actually produce statistically significant results, and why communication skills might matter more than any tool you use. If you're an email marketer who wants to move beyond templates and start driving real engage ment and conversions, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Naomi: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomiwest1000/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

TV advertising is increasingly leaning on AI as a prominent tool. Viewers saw this during the Super Bowl with some brands making entirely AI-generated ads. Mark Douglas, president and CEO of MNTN, joins Brandon Doerrer on the Marketer's Brief podcast to discuss AI in TV, misconceptions that first-time TV advertisers often have and how MNTN's AI tools have been a benefit for their business. He also offers advice for navigating the changing landscape.

Digital ads in 2026 look different than they did two years ago. AI is baked into every platform. Search queries are getting longer. Buyer trust is harder to earn. And if you're managing ads for clients, or trying to understand enough to consult on the strategy, there's a lot to keep up with.That's exactly why I brought Danielle Migliaccio-Morse, founder of DM Squared Media, on the show. She's been managing millions in ad spend for 15+ years, has turned failing Meta and Google campaigns into 100% year-over-year revenue increases, and genuinely knows how everything fits together — from the ad platform all the way through the email funnel. We nerded out on what's actually working right now with paid traffic, what to watch for, and how to talk to clients about it.Listen to learn more about:Danielle's top three trends for digital ads in 2026How "tried and true" ad strategies from a few years ago are now a liability & the new features we need to embraceThe difference between running ads on Meta vs Google and which one is right for your businessWhy diversifying ad spend across platforms is the smartest thing your clients can do right nowHow to set client expectations around testing windows, communicate data honestly, & build lasting trustDon't get stuck in the cycle of constant content creation. If your clients are still running all their ad spend through Meta and crossing their fingers, this episode is going to change how you think about their strategy.Sponsored by Wispr Flow*Write and prompt faster with this voice-to-text AI tool that turns speech into clear, polished writing in every app. I'm using Wispr Flow to talk out emails, client replies, and AI prompts instead of typing everything. It's one of my top tech tool recommendations and a real time-saver in my “4 hours of prime work time” mom life. Try Wispr Flow here**my affiliate linkLinks Mentioned in Show:Grab Danielle's FREE guide The Roadmap to Digital Ads Success: 6 crucial steps to set yourself up for profitability before you even spend a cent on ads, including how to set realistic goals and budgets for your ads.Join us for The Premium Package Workshop: A two-hour live intensive where we'll build your expert-level packages and set your 2026 pricing that positions you as the obvious choice. I'm teaching you the exact framework I use in my private consulting sessions to help service providers go from hourly scrambling to confident, professional pricing they can actually stand behind. February 26, 11am-1pm ET

Marketers love the idea that premium media makes brands premium. But the research is surprisingly mixed. High involvement content can change how ads land, sometimes helping attitudes, sometimes hurting recall.This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob tackle the debate between premium media and efficient reach. They review mixed research on media context effects, break down the extreme cost differences between premium and standard TV placements, and share when high-profile media genuinely outperforms. Discover why sacrificing reach for prestige might hurt more than help.Topics covered: [02:00] Super Bowl advertising performance data[04:00] The history of premium media and costly signaling[09:00] Cost differences between premium and standard TV placements[14:00] When premium media actually performs better[18:00] Creative requirements for premium placements[26:00] Playing "Worth the Premium" game with real scenarios To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.  Resources: Norris, Claire E.; Colman, Andrew M.; Aleixo, Paulo A. (2003). Selective Exposure to Television Programmes and Advertising Effectiveness. University of Leicester. Journal contribution. https://hdl.handle.net/2381/3983  Hartmann, W. R., & Klapper, D. (2016). Super Bowl Ads (Working Paper No. 2139). Stanford Graduate School of Business. https://web.stanford.edu/~wesleyr/SuperBowl.pdf  Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 

Brent Peterson interviews Vibhor Kapoor, Chief Business Officer at AdRoll. They discuss the evolution of AdRoll from a retargeting platform to a full funnel marketing solution, the importance of personalization in B2B advertising, and the future of advertising in AI platforms. Vibhor shares insights on the role of agents in e-commerce, the balance between AI-generated content and authentic storytelling, and the significance of understanding intent data for effective advertising. He also offers predictions for the upcoming quarter regarding technology and advertising innovations.TakeawaysVibhor Kapoor oversees product management, partnerships, and marketing at AdRoll.AdRoll has evolved from a retargeting platform to a full funnel marketing solution.B2B advertising requires personalization to engage multiple decision-makers.AI platforms are changing the landscape of advertising and e-commerce.Agents may play a significant role in future e-commerce transactions.Authentic content is more effective than low-quality, high-velocity content.Understanding intent data is crucial for relevant advertising.AdRoll captures intent signals to create audience predictions.The future of advertising will involve a mix of AI and human-led content.Marketers should think across channels and stages of the funnel.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Vibhor Kapoor and AdRoll02:25 Understanding AdRoll's Evolution and B2B Marketing07:32 The Future of Advertising in AI Platforms10:43 The Role of Agents in E-commerce15:49 The Balance of AI and Human Engagement in Marketing18:06 Leveraging Intent Data for Better Advertising21:38 Predictions for Q1 and Future Trends in Advertising

Puerto Vallarta: Vancouver Real Estate Marketer Caught in Cartel Crossfire Guest: Bob Rennie, founder of Rennie, a Vancouver based real estate marketing firm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Should you be first or a fast follower? Digital pioneer Mark Schaefer breaks down 3 critical rules for marketers navigating AI and discusses why the 85% solution isn't good enough.      

The conversation with Eric Ford delves into the world of integrated marketing, influencer marketing, and the evolving landscape of the creator economy. Eric shares his journey from journalism to social media and provides valuable insights into the art of storytelling, brand advocacy, and community building. He emphasizes the importance of authenticity, vulnerability, and aligning with brand values. The conversation also explores the impact of culture on marketing, the evolving role of influencers, and the significance of community-driven marketing strategies.TakeawaysIntegrated marketing involves bridging the gap between customer, creator, influencer, and brand through a communications lens.Authenticity, vulnerability, and storytelling are key elements in creating impactful content and building brand advocacy.Influencer marketing is not dead but evolving, with a focus on community-driven strategies and the role of influencers as brand spokespeople.Chapters00:00 The Art of Integrated Marketing11:23 Community Building and Brand Advocacy23:18 Approaching Brands as a Creator29:29 Misconceptions About Influencer Marketing35:18 Legacy and Black Excellence in Marketing

Most marketers want simple funnels. Darcy Juarez wants profitable ones. In this episode, Dan Kennedy sits down with Magnetic Marketing's Chief Business Strategist to expose the biggest mistakes entrepreneurs make in building their funnels, from lazy follow-up to one-message-fits-all thinking. If you've ever wondered how to turn a leaky funnel into a revenue machine (or why adding complexity might be the fix, not the flaw), this conversation will challenge everything you thought you knew about "easy" marketing. MagneticMarketing.com NoBSLetter.com

AI-powered video production is replacing traditional filmed advertising. Ariel Kelman, President and CMO at Salesforce, explains how marketers will abandon manual video creation within five years. His team built a complete animated flythrough of four event spaces in six hours using AI video tools, a project that previously would have required massive crews and budgets. Salesforce now chains together AI production tools that transform stills and short clips into high-quality 30-second spots without traditional film crews.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

AI-powered video production is replacing traditional filmed advertising. Ariel Kelman, President and CMO at Salesforce, explains how marketers will abandon manual video creation within five years. His team built a complete animated flythrough of four event spaces in six hours using AI video tools, a project that previously would have required massive crews and budgets. Salesforce now chains together AI production tools that transform stills and short clips into high-quality 30-second spots without traditional film crews.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

AI agent implementations fail when companies lack proper data foundations and change management. Ariel Kelman, President and CMO at Salesforce, explains how his company achieved measurable results with AgentForce across customer service and marketing operations. The discussion covers Salesforce's trust-first approach to AI context, their $100 million cost savings from automated customer support, and the 20% increase in sales pipeline from website AI agents.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

AI agent implementations fail when companies lack proper data foundations and change management. Ariel Kelman, President and CMO at Salesforce, explains how his company achieved measurable results with AgentForce across customer service and marketing operations. The discussion covers Salesforce's trust-first approach to AI context, their $100 million cost savings from automated customer support, and the 20% increase in sales pipeline from website AI agents.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, we're joined by the brilliant Mark Ritson - marketing professor, columnist and founder of the MiniMBA in Marketing. We talk about the underestimated power of consistency in marketing, his “Bothism” approach to strategy and why insights from B2C marketing also work in B2B.