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Wondering what YouTube's aggressive push into living rooms means for your marketing channel strategy? I interview Liron Segev to learn how to optimize your YouTube channel and content for TV viewersWhy YouTube on TV Changes MarketingOptimize Your Channel Banner and Thumbnails for TVCreate Longer, Episodic Content for the Couch AudienceUnderstand YouTube's New Unique Reach MetricPrepare for Ask YouTube and AI-Powered Search on TVTake Advantage of YouTube's TV Commerce FeaturesGuest: Liron Segev | Show Notes: socialmediaexaminer.com/728Review our show on Apple PodcastsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When your business depends on appointments, renewals, and repeat clients, dropped follow-ups and scattered notes are expensive problems. Handwritten reminders, sticky notes, and overcomplicated CRMs often create more friction than they solve. Today's guest, Jan Levine, CEO of ClientPulse Ltd, explains how he used Voice First AI to rescue his own rapidly growing financial practice from that chaos and then transformed his solution into a powerful platform that helps other service-based businesses stay organized, responsive, and consistently top-of-mind with their clients. In this episode of Marketer of the Day, Jan walks us through how voice-driven client management can replace tedious data entry and outdated workflows. Instead of typing notes or wrestling with bloated software, agents, advisors, salon owners, repair shops, and other professionals can simply talk into their phone as they leave a client meeting. Client Pulse automatically extracts the key details, contact info, assets, preferences, next steps, and appointment times, updates the record, sends a thank-you email, and schedules reminders, all in seconds. Jan dig into one of the biggest fears around automation and AI: that it will feel cold, fake, and impersonal. Jan explains how he intentionally designed Client Pulse to do the opposite, using AI to create more human, personal communication at scale. From birthday and anniversary reminders that prompt you to record a quick, personalized video, to one-click follow-up calls and policy renewal reminders, the system keeps you consistently present in your clients' lives without feeling like yet another generic, system-generated message. You'll also hear how Jan has extended this technology beyond business into family life. He demonstrates a simple visual “family wall” interface built for grandparents, where each grandchild is represented by a photo. With a single click, Grandma or Grandpa can start a video call, send a message, or trigger reminders like “take your medication” or “call Mom,” all powered by the same AI-assisted reminder engine. It's a compelling example of how voice, automation, and smart prompts can make life easier, not more complicated. https://youtu.be/NGymQYnyBdA?si=xL7V0EmTiivDaxE9 If you've ever felt guilty about weak follow-up, missed appointments, or losing client details in notes and memory, this episode will open your eyes to what's now possible. You'll learn how voice-first AI, personalized automation, and smart reminders can help you show up more consistently, deepen relationships, and grow your business, without adding more tech headaches to your day. Stay tuned to discover how Client Pulse can turn everyday conversations into organized, meaningful, high-touch client experiences. Quotes: "The whole idea is to use the concept of AI and the power of a contact management system, melding them so that the contact is very personalized and very much one-on-one." "That's what this is all about, using AI to find a better way for people to care for and about each other." "All of these features are designed not to replace but to augment communication, not to have any negative effect on anything artificial, just the opposite, personalizing everything." Contact Details: The Faster You Automate, The Faster You Grow: Try ClientPulse Today Connect with Jan on LinkedIn for More AI strategies, Business Growth Tips, and Real-World Insights

Marketers often find themselves caught between the promise of high-tech innovation and the reality of fragmented consumer data. Matt Spiegel, EVP of TruAudience Growth Strategy at TransUnion, joins Matt Britton on The Speed of Culture podcast to discuss how established analytical frameworks are finding new life in the era of artificial intelligence and privacy changes. The discussion highlights why the most significant hurdle in digital transformation often involves the human element rather than the software itself.Follow Suzy on Twitter: @AskSuzyBizFollow Matt Spiegel on LinkedInSubscribe to The Speed of Culture on your favorite podcast platform.And if you have a question or suggestions for the show, send us an email at suzy@suzy.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

84% of the time, buyers choose a brand that was already on their radar before they ever started shopping. So why do so many marketing budgets only chase the people ready to buy today?This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob talk with brand strategist and author James Hurman about his new book, Future Demand. James breaks down why brands hit a growth ceiling when they lean too hard on performance marketing. He also explains why feelings outlast facts in memory, and why that changes which channels deserve your investment. Marketers will leave with a clearer case for building demand among tomorrow's customers, not just converting today's.Topics covered:[05:00] Defining current demand versus future demand[07:00] Splitting budgets 50/50 between brand and performance[12:00] Why American marketers lag on brand-building principles[18:00] Measuring future demand through brand tracking[22:00] Why feelings outlast facts in memory[26:00] The case for creativity in earning attention[35:00] James's own future demand brand: Land RoverTo learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.Resources:Resources: 2021 WARC White Paper: https://www.warc.com/the-rise-of-digital-commerce 2026Future Demand Book: https://futuredemand.com/ James Hurman's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameshurman/Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Shane Colella, an Emmy-winning cinematographer turned marketing director at automation firm Westfalia Technologies, makes the case that the agentic era has no historical analog — and that the marketers who win won't wait for permission to find out. He walks through the agentic infrastructure he's actually building, from research dashboards to a Claude-and-n8n pipeline that erases hours of list-building, and argues the real bottleneck isn't technology but getting everyone else on board. Along the way he reframes the fear of lost jobs and vanishing entry-level roles as a perception problem, and lands on a provocation: this moment belongs to disciplined creatives with the clearest vision.

Finance. Operations. Sales. Senior leadership. There are rooms in every marketing career where you are the only person who thinks the way you think and everyone else wants you to justify, translate, and prove the value of what you do. This episode is about how to do that without losing your perspective, diluting your ideas, or turning into a walking marketing glossary. Because being the only marketer in the room isn't a vulnerability. It's a position. And once you learn how to use it, not just to land your ideas, but to actually listen to the room, you will leave those meetings with better marketing than you walked in with. That's the bit nobody tells you. Until now. If you're ending every week feeling like you did a lot and none of it actually mattered, The Marketer You Already Are is the 5-module career accelerator that gives you the confidence, presence, and systems to finally show up like the senior marketer you already are, join the waitlist now so you're first to know when doors open.  https://www.emmawindsor.com/sign-upFollow me on LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-windsor29/For more episodes visit my website : emmawindsor.com  

This week on Marketing O'Clock: Google Ads' August bidding update is causing tension in the marketing world and leaving clarification to be desired. Plus, for Google Image Search's 25th anniversary, Google changed its homepage from a clean image search box to a gallery.Visit us at - https://marketingoclock.com/

MagicBrief is shutting down on July 31, 2026, leaving performance marketers without their go-to ad research tool. GetHookd, Foreplay, and Atria are the top contenders — each compared across pricing, features, and workflow. To learn more, visit https://www.gethookd.ai/learn/3-top-magicbrief-alternatives-to-try-in-2026/ GetHookd LLC City: Miami Address: 40 SW 13th street Website: https://www.gethookd.ai/

Marc Ferrentino, Co-Founder and CEO of Quotient and former chief technical architect at Salesforce, joins Sam Jacobs and Asad Zaman to separate AI-marketing hype from what actually works today. Marc's core claim: the 'AI CMO' is marketing fiction, and the real near-term unlock is clearing the roughly 70% of a marketer's day lost to busywork, so smaller teams can finally operate like big ones. Topics include the collapse of specialized marketing roles into cross-functional generalists, why the apprenticeship model that trained classic marketers is most at risk, where the durable edge moves as performance marketing gets automated... and how taste separates real work from AI slop. Plus, a Quiz Pro Quo trivia round on famous tech emails, an honest look at ageism facing marketers in their 40s and 50s, and a Bulls and Bears debate on legacy martech, HubSpot, and Figma. Key Takeaways: - Marc's near-term promise to marketers is not an AI CMO but the removal of busywork. As he puts it: "companies that come out and claim to be your AI CMO… I think that is the most misleading marketing, but it's also just not true." Buckle up for a story or two about how he's seen the "AI CMO" blow up in people's faces. - The hiring bar is shifting from raw craft to AI fluency. In Marc's words: "we're all looking for the 10x developer, but the 10x developer who knows how to use AI is a 100x developer. And so it's the same thing with the marketer… the marketer who knows how to use AI is a 100x marketer… That's the person we want on the team." And he shares how his own developer interviews changed to match. - Marketing roles are not disappearing, but the specialist ladder that trained seasoned marketers is eroding. As Sam Jacobs, CEO of Pavilion, put it: "I see the collapse of specialization within a particular function. That doesn't diminish the need for the function, but does create an opportunity for those that are more fluent in all of these cross-functional tools." His deeper worry is the pipeline: "the apprenticeship model is the thing that's most at risk," raising the prospect of "a lack of classically trained marketers." - Ageism is real in marketing hiring, and it often hides inside neutral-sounding language. Asad Zaman, CEO of STA, observed, clients are saying things like: "I'm looking for somebody with high energy. High energy is like, I need somebody who is 30 to 33… high energy is like an age, basically." To what extent do the hosts agree with this perspective? Only one way to find out... Connect with the Hosts & Guests: Host: Sam Jacobs, CEO at Pavilion - https://www.linkedin.com/in/samfjacobs/ Host: Asad Zaman, CEO at STA - https://www.linkedin.com/in/azaman1/ Guest: Marc Ferrentino, Co-Founder & CEO at Quotient - https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcferrentino/ Topline is more than a YouTube Channel: Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://toplinemedia.substack.com/ Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-podcast Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-slack Chapters:  00:00 Introducing Marc Ferrentino 02:09 Where AI Actually Works Today 04:05 The 'AI CMO' Is a Lie 07:10 AI Multiplies, Not Replaces 12:11 The Collapse of Specialization 15:10 The Apprenticeship Model at Risk 16:11 The Real Edge Is Brand 21:18 AI Slop and the Taste Problem 23:02 Marketing for the Rest of Business 35:15 Are the Models Asymptoting? 39:01 Quiz Pro Quo 44:44 Ageism in Marketing 49:18 Curiosity over Age 58:34 The 100x Marketer 1:03:54 Bulls VS Bears

AI-driven traffic from ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Gemini is invisible to most marketers. Learn how to track it in GA4 with custom reports, regex filters, and dedicated channel groups before you miss critical insights. Profit Acuity City: Pittsburgh Address: 239 Fourth Ave, Ste 1401 #8511 Website: https://app.profitacuity.com Phone: +1 877 624 1229

Phil Treagus-Evans, Co-Founder and CEO of Giraffe Social, is not anti-AI (he uses it every day). He's anti-LAZY AI. You know, the copy-pasted slop currently flooding your feed. So how do you dial up your human-ness…and build trust in the process? Phil and Daniel talk about why people trust people and not brands, how to turn your own team into your highest-performing Marketing channel, and the 1 metric he says matters most even though you can't actually measure it. Plus, how boring Marketing is secretly the riskiest. If you're a Marketer who wants to cut through the AI noise and keep people at the center, this episode is for YOU. --- Follow Phil: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/phil-treagus-evans & check out his book, Human First Marketing --- Enjoying the pod? Do Daniel a favor and hit follow, then leave a quick rating. It helps more Marketers find the show.

This episode is recorded live at BrandSmart, the longest-running brand marketing conference in the U.S. BrandSmart brings together noteworthy speakers and future-forward marketers — a who's who of decision-makers and influencers — to share proven tools, smart ideas and inspiring stories. Joining the CMO Whisperer today is Christine Buck, CMO of MiniTab and AMA board member, as well as the 2024 AMA Chicago Marketer of the Year. Christine brings deep global experience and a sharp data-driven perspective to the table. She is a global advisor and thought leader supporting the transformation of the health ecosystem through information and technology. Christine leads the planning and development of global marketing strategy across all products, channels and regions. Christine's experience is broad and uniquely global with almost 27 years of B2B sales and marketing expertise from roles held in financial services, software and consulting industries. Christine has built and led teams globally across brand management, creative, product marketing, research, pricing and analyst relations for leading firms Hootsuite, Morningstar, Huron Consulting, Accenture, Bank of America and Microsoft.

In this episode of The Ross Simmonds Show, Ross shares why curiosity, execution, and continuous learning are becoming more valuable than traditional credentials in marketing, tech, and business. He breaks down how hiring managers, marketers, content creators, and business leaders can identify curious talent, build stronger teams, and stay relevant as AI, search, content distribution, and audience behavior continue to evolve. Key Takeaways and Insights: 1. Curiosity as a Career Advantage - Ross shares how growing up outside major tech hubs pushed him to use the internet as his mentor. - Curiosity helped him build a self-directed education across SEO, social media, content, SaaS, Reddit, LinkedIn, Quora, and startups. - The lesson: your location, background, or lack of connections does not limit your ability to learn and grow. 2. The Hiring Trap: Stacked Resume, Weak Execution - Ross warns leaders not to confuse impressive logos and credentials with real-world capability. - Some candidates know how to follow a playbook but struggle when asked to create or adapt one. - Hiring should focus on how people think, learn, ask questions, and solve problems—not just what appears on paper. 3. How to Identify Curious Marketers - Ask candidates what they are reading, what they are learning, and how they stay sharp in their craft. - Look for people actively tinkering with new tools, especially in the age of AI. - Curious marketers bring questions, data, and insights into conversations instead of relying on old playbooks. 4. Insight-Driven Marketing Decisions - Great marketers do not recommend SEO, CMS changes, or content strategies simply because they prefer them. - They gather data, ask about pipeline goals, conversion rates, customer lifetime value, and channel performance. - Curiosity turns marketing from guesswork into a structured, strategic process. 5. Where Curious People Spend Their Time - Curious professionals go where learning is happening: communities, subreddits, Discord servers, Slack groups, LinkedIn threads, and comment sections. - They engage in discussions, debate ideas, and test what they learn. - They do not just consume marketing tips—they apply them. 6. The Signals of a High-Curiosity Team Member - They research before making recommendations. - They reverse engineer why something worked instead of blindly repeating tactics. - They invest in courses, tools, and resources because they want to become better, not just get promoted. - They challenge leaders with data-backed thinking and fresh perspectives. 7. Why Curiosity Matters in the AI Era - AI is reshaping search, content distribution, GEO, AEO, and how buyers discover brands. - Channels that worked three years ago may not be enough today. - Marketers who stay curious will adapt faster as LLMs, Reddit, YouTube, short-form video, and emerging platforms shift the landscape. 8. Building a Learning Advantage - One to two extra hours of intentional learning per week can put you ahead of people doing none. - Those who invest more deeply in their skills create a larger competitive gap. - Continuous learning builds the taste, strategy, distribution skill, and human understanding needed to stay valuable. 9. Hiring for Curiosity and Growth - Leaders should ask candidates about newsletters, podcasts, tools, personal projects, and ideas they cannot stop thinking about. - Experience with tools like Claude, Perplexity, and ChatGPT can signal active experimentation. - Building a culture of curiosity helps teams stay adaptive, strategic, and ready for what comes next. —

Marketers are rediscovering MMM. Google Meridian and Meta Robyn are among the tools gaining attention among marketers. We dive into what it means to tie your MMM solution to a search or social media giant. 

Email marketing isn't broken, what's broken is how many business owners use it. Treating subscribers like a cash machine instead of real people leads to ignored messages, unsubscribes, and missed opportunities. Today's guest, Ely Delaney, known as “the people whisperer,” helps founders, consultants, and B2B service providers create trust-first follow-up systems that turn casual contacts into long-term clients, without spamming, complicated funnels, or burning out their list. In this episode of Marketer of the Day, Ely dig into what relationship-based email marketing looks like in 2026 and beyond. Instead of pounding subscribers with daily promotions or letting a list go cold for months, Ely shows how to send simple, plain-text emails that feel like personal check-ins: sharing a favorite book, a helpful resource, or a quick insight from experience. He even walks through how he recommends “The Go-Giver” by Bob Burg in his own sequences, using that book as a conversation starter that earns replies, builds trust, and often leads to booked calls and new projects down the road. Ely explains why this style of communication is especially powerful in the B2B and high-ticket space, where CEOs and founders are allergic to hypey, templated sequences but respond to thoughtful, relevant touchpoints. You'll hear real examples, including clients who saw more replies in a few weeks than in the previous four years, and a contact who came back ten years after seeing Ely speak, simply because the follow-up never stopped providing value. Ely also shares insights from his own book, “The Follow-Up Code,” which lays out the system behind staying top of mind without becoming a pest. https://youtu.be/uA3BHhAibi4?si=55rpu5-ksHKzmj8a The conversation also tackles AI's impact on copywriting and email. Ely uses AI as a powerful brainstorming and drafting tool, but he's clear about its limits: it can accelerate the process, yet it can't replace the nuance, judgment, and “heart” of a seasoned human writer. You'll learn how to let AI help you generate topics and rough drafts while still infusing your own stories, tone, and personality, so your emails don't sound like every other generic, AI-generated post in someone's feed. If you're ready to escape “spray-and-pray” email marketing, build a smaller but hyper-engaged tribe, and use follow-up to create real conversations that lead to sales, this episode is your roadmap. Quotes: “If your email looks like a big, fancy template, people instantly know it's a blast to everyone. Strip it down to simple text and suddenly they're curious enough to actually read it.” “When you start talking to people like people and adding real value without constantly pitching, they feel heard, they feel like you care, and they feel more connected to you, and that builds know, like, trust, and loyalty.” “We're heading toward a world of small, hyper-engaged tribes surrounded by a massive ocean of generic AI noise. The people who win will be the ones who still talk to real humans.” Contact Details: Get the “Building Your Follow Up Machine” Audio Course Today Follow Ely Delaney on Facebook: The Email Marketing Strategist Connect with Ely Delaney on LinkedIn and Learn More About Automated Follow-Up Follow Ely Delaney on X for Follow-Up Tips Get Simple Automation Strategies: Follow Ely Delaney on Instagram Build A Smarter Follow-Up System: Follow Ely Delaney on TikTok Subscribe to Ely Delaney's Channel to Learn How to Convert More Leads The Follow Up Code: Seven Virtues for Building Trust Through Email on Amazon Subscribe to Meet Cool People Podcast

Handing your team an AI tool and telling them to go figure it out fails for nine out of ten people. In this episode of Content Amplified, Mark Boothe, CMO at Domo, explains how he gets marketers to two, three, even five times their impact: a dedicated AI enablement hire on both the marketing and account development teams, role-specific toolkits (this is what an email marketer uses, this is what the web team uses), and hands-on teaching instead of a company-wide email. Mark shares the story of hiring Jake, whose resume was a custom GPT built to answer any question about him, and how that same hire taught a VP of communications with no editing background to produce professional-looking video in a fraction of the time it used to take. He also draws a hard line on AI slop: Google still reigns supreme, mass-produced junk content gets dinged, and with research this easy there is no excuse for lazy outreach. If your AI mandate stops at efficiency, this episode makes the case for quality and the human touch.About MarkMark Boothe is the CMO at Domo, where he owns both the marketing and account development functions. He is a self-described marketing nerd who reads business books for fun, and a proud dad of four. Mark believes AI's real power is making humans two, three, four, five times more impactful, not replacing the magic that makes each person who they are. Based in Utah, he is a passionate BYU football, Real Salt Lake, and Utah Jazz fan, and an active daily presence on LinkedIn.Show NotesConnect with Mark on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markboothe1/Text us what you think about this episode!

Selma, Chief Revenue Officer chez Agorapulse explique sa vision sur la place du Product Marketing dans la performance commerciale.Au fil de son parcours, Selma a construit une vision très business du Product Marketing. Pour elle, cette fonction n'est pas un simple support marketing. C'est un levier qui permet d'aligner les équipes, d'améliorer la conversion, d'attirer les bons clients et de construire une croissance durable.Dans cet échange, elle partage sa vision du rôle du PMM et les signaux qui montrent qu'une entreprise a besoin de structurer cette fonction.Découvrez :

Paul Reiss dropped out of college to build Protein Pints, and then scaled it from 1 store to 15,000 in just three years. His strategy: deliberately pumping the brakes on Marketing so the brand wouldn't blow up before it could actually deliver. Paul and Daniel get into why going viral too early can sink a young brand, how to know when to hold back versus hit the gas, and the 1 question he says every product has to answer before you scale it. If you're a Marketer or founder who wants to know when to market and when to wait, this episode is for YOU! Enjoying the pod? Do Daniel a favor and hit follow, then leave a quick rating. It helps more Marketers find the show. Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: ⁠www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials⁠ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: ⁠www.workweek.com⁠ --- Follow Paul on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-reiss-7060381b7/ Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss how to separate artificial intelligence speed from actual business value and what we value from humans in an age of AI. You will discover why productivity charts hide critical context that changes everything. You will learn how to spot the difference between quick output and solid results. You will master a simple framework for letting machines handle data while you keep full control over every choice. You will walk away with practical steps to scale your daily workload without sacrificing your unique perspective. 00:00 – Introduction 02:15 – The misleading productivity chart 05:40 – Decoding the midterm results 09:10 – When tests measure the wrong skills 13:25 – The seven ways to use AI properly 18:50 – Why humans must keep the steering wheel 23:40 – Practical tools for smarter workflows 28:15 – Fixing the education gap 32:00 – Call to action Press play to uncover how you can turn artificial intelligence into a reliable partner that amplifies your best work. Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-in-academia-workforce.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about AI productivity and results-oriented mindsets. We talk a lot about AI productivity gains, and a lot of people are rightfully asking, “Where’s the beef?” Going back to the 1980s Wendy’s commercial. I want to show you a chart. Katie, I want to get your reaction to this chart on some AI productivity gains and whether you would consider this a success or not. So let me bring this chart up here. This is from Brown University. We have individual workers, we have their original productivity scores in the gray, their AI-enhanced scores where they’re using an AI tool and how they increased. And the green numbers represent the percent change. Now, without any other context, at a first glance, what do you make of this? Is this an AI success story? Katie Robbert: Not necessarily. Christopher S. Penn: Okay, tell me why. Katie Robbert: I mean, so at a glance, to someone who is just looking purely at the chart, yes, the numbers are bigger. You have a bunch of green in the middle. So the percent change is positive. But as someone who is skeptical, I say, where did you start? What was the baseline? What are the roles? I have more questions than answers. I can’t look at this and go, wow, yes. Okay. Because to me there’s so much missing context. Who are these people? Is it self-report? What is the period of time that there? Is it one task? Is it multiple tasks? Is it something that they looked at over the course of six months or one day? I don’t know. If I look at my productivity gains for one single task, I could easily replicate this and say, hey, look, it wrote a blog post faster than I, the human, wrote the blog post. So therefore productivity gains. But what I don’t know is the blog post any good? How much editing does it have to go through? Is it something that’s actually ever going to see the light of day? And that’s one blog post. That doesn’t mean that every single post is created that efficiently. AI can create things really quickly. It doesn’t mean they’re any good. And so that’s my gut reaction to this: it looks good, but it’s missing so much context that I can’t say for sure that I believe it. Christopher S. Penn: Okay, I can tell you for sure these are actual scores. They are actual gains or losses. If your employee number S22 is there, you got it. Your performance went down. Katie Robbert: Yeah, yikes. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, you got to go. But, and these are real outcomes that matter. Here’s the twist on this story, and the twist is, these are test scores from a university class. The midterm. The professor said, something’s up. The orange scores of the midterm scores. So in the final, he prohibited it. He made the test in person. No assistance, no devices. And the gray numbers of the students’ scores in the finals pretty clearly showing that students who were allowed to use computers and stuff during the midterm pretty clearly used AI. And this story has been floating around the social media sphere. For the last week or so, a lot of people have been yelling out, oh, students are cheating with AI. This is terrible. It’s the end of education. And my take on it was, well, I think there’s a bit more nuance to that. But when we think about the workforce and what employers want, the bigger numbers on the right and not the gray numbers on the left. Now, with this new context, what do you think? Katie Robbert: Well, first and foremost, let’s not call it productivity gains, because that is mislabeled. Second, I’m with you, Chris. The notion of an open book test is not new. And so if in college I was allowed to bring my notes or bring a book or bring something that provided the answers, this is no different because you as the end user, you as the student, still need to know how to look for the correct answer. Because AI hallucinates a lot. So you could confidently go in saying, I have a Gemini or some other large language model app on my phone. I can just look up all the answers. Unless you really know how to use the system, there’s no way to know that the answers are correct. And so I feel like it is nuanced. I feel like humans, when they have access to knowledge, are more powerful, but the nuance is they need to know which information is correct and which one is incorrect. So, I agree. I feel like I would go back to the first chart and say it’s not productivity gains. That is 100% misleading. That is not at all what this is. Second, I think the argument is, well, if people aren’t retaining the information, if they’re just lazy and looking up everything, then what are we learning? Well, you’re learning critical thinking and how to research things. That in and of itself is a whole skill set. Ask the academics. There’s a place for it. Christopher S. Penn: Yep. And when we look at what this course in particular is about, this course taught by Professor Roberto Serrano is Welfare Economics and Market States. But this is from the syllabus. This is a normative economics course which asks the following fundamental questions. Are markets good or bad for the economy? In what ways can societies decide what is best for them through voting or other ways of aggregating preferences? Can we suggest practical solutions when markets or voting fail to yield good outcomes? Are there current political economic institutions good for society? Are they or not? In what ways? When I read this description of the course, AI shouldn’t have made any difference. Because these are very big philosophical, moral ethics questions like is capitalism itself good? Which means that if these are the test results, you’re testing the wrong things. Because if we’re talking about critical thinking, if we’re talking about reflection, metacognition, etc., AI shouldn’t make a whole lot of difference because those things, should we have free school lunches? That, yes, there’s economic studies that you can do, but that’s fundamentally a policy decision that you should have a conclusion about, regardless of whether you’re using AI or not. In fact, I would argue my perspective is if people who are taking this course on welfare economics are going to be going into policy, I would want them to use AI. I would want them to gather research. I would want them to have it push back and forth. Now, whether or not they were actually doing that, I don’t know. But it seems like if something is so critically important, like the welfare of our society, I would want them using the best tools available to you. Katie Robbert: So it’s interesting, it strikes me. I don’t disagree with you. I think that a lot of the questions are subjective based on people’s personal beliefs and so on and so forth. My sense then is if the question was should schools offer free lunch? Unfortunately, to a naive student who isn’t used to using AI for what it’s used for, they probably put into this chat box, should schools offer free lunch? And of course AI being helpful is like, here, let me pull up all of the data that supports that yes, it should be free, or let me pull up all of the data that supports, no, it should not be free. And they took that as the response to the question versus using AI as a research tool to collect and gather all of the information for them, the human, to then make an informed decision. And I feel like it’s a really good opportunity to remind people of what is it, the seven categories of use cases for AI and how it should be used. Like, don’t use AI to make a decision. You’re the human, you make the decision. Use AI to gather your information. Summarize. I’m not going to remember all seven off the top of my head. Yeah, I was like, I got summarize, I got rewriting. That’s all I have for abstraction. Christopher S. Penn: Take data out of data classification. Organize your data summarization. Take your big data and make it small. Rewriting. Take your data from one form to another. Synthesis. Take a small data and make it big. Question answering. Ask questions of your data and generation. Make new data from your data. Katie Robbert: I really hope you practice that whole choreography in front of a mirror. Christopher S. Penn: Well, I do that in my talks. Katie Robbert: I know, but I think that. And so thank you for that. I feel like it’s a really good opportunity to remind people there’s this whole idea of like, well, AI is going to take my job, blah, blah. You, the human, still need to have those critical thinking skills. I feel like I’m beyond a broken record at this point. I don’t even know what the next phase of broken. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, it’s just like, record glitter everywhere because it’s so broken. Katie Robbert: That’s a thing. The test example is a really good example of misuse of AI. Like we’re making a bunch of assumptions. We don’t know how students actually use these tools. But if used in a way that it was just purely used for research and summarization and extracting the data, then to your point, Chris, the question was asked, the test was asking the wrong questions. Because how are you going to grade based on subjective questions? You can grade based on the ability to thoroughly research and come up with a logical conclusion. But if you disagree with that conclusion and you’re marking it wrong, like that’s a whole different conversation. Christopher S. Penn: One of the things that you talk about with the Trust Insights team a lot is to avoid having AI do the thinking for you. You talk about this with our marketing reports and things like that. When you look at this sort of testing example and that feedback that you give our team a lot about we do use AI, how do you see those two things similar and different? Katie Robbert: I don’t have a problem with people using AI. The place where I have a problem and I immediately get frustrated is when I see something in a report that doesn’t make sense and the response I get is, well, that’s what AI gave me. And my first thought is, well, where are you in this? Where’s your thinking? Where’s your brain? I want to know your insights, Chris. I want to know your insights. Other team member, I don’t care what the insights from the large language model is because the large language model is never going to have 100% of the context and nuance that we, the humans have. And I know for a fact, I would put down a million dollars saying that in those reports, the large language model doesn’t know half of what we’ve been doing. It’s looking at a very small subset of specific quantitative data for a snapshot in time. It does not have the whole story. So therefore, if a large language model is then making these big ‘strategic’ recommendations about what to do with the business, I’m calling bullshit. Christopher S. Penn: Yep. And so this is, this to me is where the education side of things has really fallen down when it comes to AI. Is it binary, oh, yes, you should use it, or no, you shouldn’t use it? And it’s academic dishonesty if you’re using it’s a tool. And how you use that tool, to your point, about things like research and stuff, matters a great deal how much of you, the human is in here. Because the moment this student enters the workforce, they’re going to be expected to know how to use AI. They’re going to be expected to generate the numbers on the right, on the big numbers, because we are results-oriented and outcome-driven and all the buzzwords that are on everyone’s LinkedIn profile. But that’s in a lot of ways that’s true. That’s what we hire for. We hire for those big numbers. We don’t hire. We don’t necessarily. And ethics is a whole separate discussion. But putting aside ethics, that’s what leaders want. That’s what managers want. Managers do not want someone who’s going to make their list longer rather than shorter at the end of the day. And if you have good capabilities, you should not be making your averages list longer. Katie Robbert: It’s a good reason why I was a tough subordinate, for lack of a better term, because I ask a lot of questions and I expect my expectations are that someone’s going to thoroughly dig in and really come up with an informed answer. And my managers at the time were not doing that. Maybe it’s my expectations. I have a really hard time with the lightweight. Oh, I just looked at one study. So therefore it’s fine. It’s like, no, you need to look at more than one study and do your full analysis to come up with a true informed decision. Emphasis on informed, making decisions. What is it? Decisions without data is distraction. Christopher S. Penn: Data without decisions is distraction. Katie Robbert: Data without decisions. But I also feel like decisions without data is dangerous. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, absolutely. So here’s two examples. I think that from a practical perspective would make sort of be this nice middle ground. Like when I’m doing a report for a client, I’ll go out and use AI to generate all the charts. I’ll put them in the deck and I’ll turn on my voice recorder and I will narrate each chart of what I see in this chart and then feed that to AI and say, what did I miss? Or what didn’t I see? And usually it doesn’t come up with anything. It will ask me questions. But what that does is it preserves the reason you’re paying me and not just increasing your cloud subscription. That’s one useful use case. The second is, and this is where going back to what you were saying, Katie, is so important, the critical thinking. Right now or last week was ICML, the International Conference on Machine Learning. It was in Seoul, South Korea. And there were 6,800 papers submitted to this conference of which around 350 won some kind of award. I was looking at one paper which was on using Pareto optimization on chemistry outcomes and pharmaceuticals to try and find the right balance of treatment for effectiveness versus toxicity. And when I read this paper, that’s a really cool idea. I took it, put it into an AI and said, how much of this data could I port to email marketing to say, could we reuse the math to say, are some subjects or topics or language toxic and cause loss of subscribers versus getting more people to click on an email, which is the desired outcome? And it gave me a whole long list of things that I’m still working on. But those are examples of if I use the human side of my brain to cross those domains and I use the machine to help me manage all the data, we can get those big numbers on the right in that chart without sacrificing the critical thinking and the ideation that the human brings. Katie Robbert: I’m going to say something that I say a lot. New tech doesn’t solve old problems. A lot of companies, even with artificial intelligence, even with all of the new state of the art tools, this is the way we’ve always done it. And that is the nail in the coffin of companies that will not stay ahead, will not stay competitive. Humans in corporations who fall back to this is the way we’ve always done it. Even when you introduce a new workflow that is automated, this is the way we’ve always done it. That workflow is going to get stale real fast. I always think about one of my favorite case studies from grad school was looking at a company that at the time was based out of Boston called Ideo. Ideo. And their whole mission was to understand human behavior. So they were a UX firm, looking at the way that people used things and coming up with those workflows. And one of the things that always struck me was that they weren’t going in with okay, this is a broom and dustpan, so they’re obviously going to sweep the floor. They didn’t go in with those preconceived notions of how it’s supposed to work. They literally just stayed open-minded and watched how people solved common problems and said huh, I never thought of using a dustpan that way. That’s really interesting. What else can it do? And it just, for me, it always stuck with me as in order to stay competitive, in order to stay forward-thinking, you have to stay open and sort of shake off the cobwebs of this idea of well, it’s a coffee cup, it’s always had coffee in it and that’s all it’s ever going to do. It has to be, oh, this is a coffee cup. Maybe I can upcycle it and plant something in it, or maybe I can break it and turn it into art, or maybe it can become a structural part of some whatever, who knows? I don’t even know. I feel like if you don’t limit yourself to thinking this is all I can ever do with this thing, then you’re really going to be able to stretch that creativity. But that critical thinking. So back to the initial example of the students taking the test. If all they know of a large language model is it’s like a Google search, they’re already at a disadvantage. Christopher S. Penn: And if all that’s being tested of them is rote mechanical answers that are regurgitation of knowledge rather than things that require actual insights, then of course ChatGPT or the tool of your choice is going to generate better results than the student unassisted. But you’re not testing the skills that the modern workforce needs. You are testing the skills that the 1930s needed, right? You need to be an obedient factory worker to come in and make widgets. We have robots for that now. We do not need humans for that. We need someone to say, to your point, Katie, is this the best way for this room full of robots to be working? Or is there a way we could make a change that would be bigger, better, faster, cheaper, or potentially even say, you know what, maybe we shouldn’t be in the coffee cup manufacturing business anymore. Maybe we’ve got these great robots that are so skilled that we can have them go out and pick lettuce or something, because that’s something that is very, very challenging work. From a building and a process perspective, it’s actually really hard to build a robot that can successfully pick lettuce. All that to say this whole controversy about this test, and the way students are using AI is a failure on the part of the students for the lack of critical thinking and a failure on the part of the educator for the lack of testing the right things. Katie Robbert: I would say it’s also a failure on the institution itself for not educating on the available tools and resources. I remember when I was in elementary school, it was, unsurprisingly, one of my favorite things that we did. There was a whole class on how to use the card catalog at the library. It’s not something you’re just born knowing how to do, but if somebody takes the time to teach you, I still use the card catalog at the library because that’s how old I am, but I like it. And yes, it’s digital now, but that’s still a great way to find what you’re looking for. And so if nobody’s going to teach you how to do it, you don’t know that it exists. If you’re someone who’s curious enough to find out on your own, that’s great. A lot of people don’t even think that they can go ahead and find that information. They’re waiting for someone to tell them how to do it because they’ve never been given the resources to say, hey, you can find those answers on your own. You can teach yourself. Some people just, that’s not just how their brain functions. It’s not a weakness or a bad thing. It just is what it is. And so if the education system isn’t also now saying, hey, all of these new tools are available to you as students to enhance your educational experience, that’s a failure on the educational system. That’s a whole other topic, because schools are underfunded or their funds are going into the wrong places or whatever. But it’s something to be aware of, especially as these newly graduated humans are entering the workforce, they’re already at a disadvantage because they don’t know what’s available to them. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah. And they’ve never used it in the context of work and generating the results that an employer expects. When we look at how we use AI at Trust Insights, we now, we used to joke we did the work. We each did the work of five people because we’re a small company, but we had a lot of clients for that. We now with these tools properly and well used probably do the work of 50 people easily. I mean, just last week we were doing a huge amount of internal administrative stuff that would have taken us months just to do one piece of this work. And, we were doing 18, 19 pieces. Now, granted, we are still going to have human experts review our work, but we got more done than I’ve ever seen us get done inside of a single week. Katie Robbert: I would agree with that. I mean, this is the whole. I’ve talked about it on live events. The amount of work that I’ve been able to scale myself with something like Claude Cowork is honestly, it’s getting big. That’s an understatement. Christopher S. Penn: I don’t know. Katie Robbert: I don’t have a better word for it, but. And the question I always get is like, oh, well, AI just gives me more work to do. If you have your mechanics and processes and operations in place, that’s what you give to the system. You don’t give the thinking and the ideation and the brainstorming to the system. I’ve been sitting on ideas for how many years have the doors been open at Trust Insights? Christopher S. Penn: 8. Katie Robbert: I’ve been sitting on things that I want to do. Ideas. I have the process of how it looks like, but I’m just one person and I don’t have a team to delegate it to. So now that’s how we’re scaling things. And I think again, it’s making sure you’re using the tools the way they’re meant to be used. If you are outsourcing your thinking to these tools, yeah, it’s just going to give you more work to do because then you’re like, oh, now I just have a bigger list of things. No, give the list of things that you’ve already thought of to the system. Let the system do it. You continue to create and ideate. Christopher S. Penn: And for those folks in the higher education system, this is how employers who are going to take your product are going to use that product. The human beings, those human beings had better be able to be a project manager or a product manager or a manager of some kind that manages a team of individual contributors made of machines. Because we’re paying for, we want to pay for the critical thinking. We want to pay for the genuinely good new ideas. We do not need to pay for someone that just regurgitates things. A machine can do that perfectly fine. We do not need to pay for somebody that can type. Again, a machine can do that perfectly fine. We need people who think. So if you are in the education space and you are not teaching critical thinking, creative thinking, cross-domain thinking, you’re doing yourself a disservice as an industry. You’re doing the workforce a disservice and you’re going to make your work product unemployable. Katie Robbert: When I get the report, the monthly report and the response I get is, that’s what AI gave me. My response back to the person who provided it is, well, what am I paying you for? And it’s a really cold and harsh comment, but it’s real true. It’s true. Perhaps my delivery is not that direct all the time, but sometimes it is. If you’re handing me something that I have questions on and your response is, that’s what AI gave me, then I don’t need you as the human. I can do this myself and get crappy insights from a large language model. I don’t need someone to push a button for me. Christopher S. Penn: Right, exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts about how students are using AI, how you are using AI, or the thinking skills that you need to succeed in the modern era and you want to share them, pop by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights AI/Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,600 other people are answering and asking each other’s questions every single day. Well, I got that backwards. Clearly not AI generated today. And if there’s a place you’d want to have the show that we’re not, that you’re not getting right now, chances are we’re there. Go to Trust Insights ASGI Podcast. You can find us at all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. 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Free Claude + Codex Skill-Building Starter Pack: https://clickhubspot.com/clzf Ep. 435 Are you just asking AI questions, or are you actually building repeatable skills? Kipp and guest Riley Brown (content creator and AI educator) dive into how to level up your content game and marketing efficiency by strategically creating and collaborating with AI agents. Learn more on why documenting your weekly workflows is a game changer, how to turn AI experiments into scalable skills, and what the frontier of agent-powered team collaboration looks like in platforms like Codex and Slack. Mentions Riley Brown https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMcoud_ZW7cfxeIugBflSBw Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1637636105?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_VPTVJUW097F1PLSGOQTH&bestFormat=true Claude https://claude.ai/ Anthropic https://www.anthropic.com/ SupaData https://supadata.ai/ Notion https://www.notion.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We're on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don't forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain' is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Teams rarely fail due to a lack of talent or tools, they fail because their work is poorly coordinated. Missed deadlines, blown budgets, constant fire drills, and disengaged employees are usually symptoms of one hidden problem: outdated, industrial-era management practices trying to run a modern, knowledge-based workforce. Today's guest, Chris Majer of Human Potential Project and author of “The Power to Transform,” has helped organizations generate over $4 billion in measurable value by fixing this core issue: how people actually coordinate work. In this episode of Marketer of the Day, Chris breaks down what he calls the “technology for coordination,” a practical, performance-based approach originally honed with elite athletes and the military, then applied to companies like Capital One and Allianz Life. Instead of adding more project management tools or dashboards, Chris shows why the real leverage is in upgrading how people make and keep commitments through clear action cycles: “I promise or ask you to do X by time Y,” and then rigorously follow through. He explains how vague language like “ASAP” quietly destroys trust, creates drama, and cascades into organization-wide chaos. Chris also shares powerful case studies, including helping Capital One stand up a 1,500-person call center in 180 days and guiding Allianz Life to a $685 million documented return on a $10 million investment in performance transformation. Along the way, he reveals why most “learning” today is just consumption of information, and why real capability only comes from structured practice, repetition, and cultural reinforcement over months, not from a weekend seminar or a list of “tips.” https://youtu.be/dMYrL78ppdw?si=P-6GZnrttEfVWQsU If you're tired of busy but unproductive teams, endless misalignment, and people hiding from accountability, this conversation will challenge how you think about leadership and management. You'll learn why some team members naturally opt out when a true performance culture shows up, what CEOs must do to stand firm through the predictable pushback, and how to start building a company where coordination, trust, and performance are baked into the way work gets done. If you're ready to move beyond theory and slide decks into measurable, sustainable results, Chris's approach may be exactly the reset your organization needs. Quotes: "We're all about performance, not theories, not trending, but what actually works, what is consistently working, and what we believe will work as we move into this new future we're all staring at."  "Most of us today don't make things; we generate value out of our effective coordination with other people to take care of customer concerns. That's a completely different world, but we're still trying to manage it with industrial-era practices."   "If we do our job really well, two to three percent of your people are going to quit, and we don't charge you any extra for that. We're culling the herd for you."   Contact Details: Ready to Transform Your Company's Performance? Schedule a Strategy Call Today Visit the Official Website of Chris Majer Follow Chris Majer on Facebook for Practical Leadership Insights Follow the Page of Majer Factor on Facebook for Weekly Leadership Insights Connect with Chris Majer on LinkedIn Follow The Majer Factor on X for Leadership Insights, Fresh Perspectives, and Practical Tools The Power to Transform: A New Future Awaits on Amazon Ready to Elevate your Leadership? Subscribe to the Majer Factor YouTube Channel Follow the Page of The Majer Factor on Instagram and Stay Inspired Every Day

This week, we're resharing a favorite episode from the archive. Enjoy, and we'll be back with new content next week!Our hosts are joined by Nick Asbury, creative writer and author of The Road to Hell: How Purposeful Business Leads to Bad Marketing and a Worse World. Nick challenges brand purpose, arguing it produces formulaic campaigns while the research supporting it is fundamentally flawed.Topics covered:[04:00] How the 2008 financial crash sparked the purpose movement[12:00] The real story behind Dove's "Real Beauty" campaign data[18:00] Why for-profit companies lack social license to lead causes[21:00] Nick's crowdsourced fact-checking of Cannes award entries[26:00] Debunking the Gen Z purpose myth after the 2024 election[29:00] What respectful marketing looks like without purpose To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.Resources:2024 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/good-intentions-lead-to-bad-marketing-why-purpose-is-missing-the-mark/Nick Asbury's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-asbury/ Nick's Substack: https://nickasbury.substack.com/Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Summary Most recruitment business owners stop marketing over the summer and restart in September. That restart carries a hidden cost: lower reach, a colder audience and a first month back spent recovering ground you already owned. Marketers and BD professionals call it the reset tax. This post sets out seven marketing tasks for the summer. They are not designed to fill your quiet weeks with busywork. They are designed to build a marketing system that keeps running when you are heads down billing, so your autumn pipeline is not left to chance. Key Takeaways The reset tax is the cost of stopping and restarting your marketing. Most owners pay it twice a year, over the summer and at Christmas. Review the first half and identify what compounded, rather than what gave you a one off hit. Work your database while clients and candidates have the headspace to think. Build your pipeline sixty days ahead. October fees are earned in July and August. Get twelve weeks of content written and scheduled before your busy quarter arrives. Fix the shop front. People check your website and LinkedIn profile long before they contact you. Be honest about whether you are doing no marketing, too little marketing, or the wrong marketing. The fix is different for each. Choose the system over the sprint. Small consistent levers beat bursts of effort every time. What happened to your marketing last August? Not what you meant to do. What actually got sent, posted, written and published. For a lot of recruitment business owners, the honest answer is not very much. Clients go quiet. Candidates are away. The inbox slows. And the marketing, which was already the first thing to get dropped when you were busy, gets dropped again. Then September arrives, everyone comes back, and you look at a thin pipeline and think, right, time to get back out there. So you start again. And starting again is the expensive bit. The Reset Tax Nobody Budgets For There is a cost to stopping and restarting your marketing, and it never appears on a spreadsheet. Marketers and BD professionals call it the reset tax. You stop posting for six weeks. Your reach drops, so when you return you are seen by fewer people than before you left. The warm audience you built has cooled. The people who were starting to recognise your name have forgotten it. You spend your first month back buying your way to where you already were. Most recruitment business owners pay this tax twice a year. Once over the summer. Once at Christmas. This is not an argument for working through August. It is an argument for using the summer differently. The quiet weeks are not the time to do more marketing. They are the time to build the thing that means your marketing does not stop when you do. Why a To Do List Is Not Enough A list of tasks reinforces the behaviour that keeps recruitment companies stuck. It suggests marketing is a pile of jobs you get to when there is a gap. After eighteen years working with recruitment and search business owners, I can tell you this is rarely a knowledge problem. You know you should be visible. You know you should be talking to your database. It is an implementation problem. The gap between knowing and doing is where growth disappears. So here are seven tasks, and every one of them is chosen because it closes that gap rather than adding to your September workload. 1.Review the First Half Honestly We are past the halfway point, so look back at January to June and work out what genuinely moved the needle. Use Stop, Start, Continue if it helps. What will you stop, what will you start, what is working that you should keep doing? Then add the question that matters most: what compounded? Some marketing gives you a hit and then nothing. A one off campaign. A burst of posts. Other marketing builds on itself: the content that keeps getting found, the relationships that keep returning, the list that grows whether you are watching it or not. Separate the two, then be ruthless about where your time goes in the second half. 2.Work Your Database While People Have Headspace There is gold at your feet. In your CRM are clients you have not spoken to in eighteen months, candidates you placed three years ago who are now hiring managers, and enquiries that never got a follow up. Summer is one of the few points in the year when those people have room to think. They are reflecting on the year. They are wondering whether they want another one like it. That is the moment to land in their inbox with something useful. A market update. A career conversation. A question about autumn hiring plans. The recruiters with the strongest Septembers are the ones who had those conversations in July. 3.Build Your Sixty Day Pipeline Now The work you do today does not pay you today. It pays you in around sixty days. The conversation you have this week becomes next month's brief and the placement after that. The fees you bank in October were not earned in October. They were earned in July and August by someone who kept going. So a thin pipeline in September is not a September problem. It is a summer problem you are only finding out about late. Work backwards. Decide what you want to be billing in the final quarter, count back sixty days, and ask what has to be happening now for that to be true. 4.Get Ahead on Your Content This is the task that buys back your autumn. Reach the end of August with twelve weeks of content written and scheduled, and your busiest quarter no longer knocks your marketing over. It simply continues without you. Do not invent topics from scratch. Go and look at what has already worked. Your website analytics will show you which pages people read. LinkedIn will show you which posts landed. Your client calls will tell you which questions keep coming up. The market tells you what it wants. Your job is to listen, then say more about it. 5.Sort Out the Shop Front A beauty salon dresses the window before the season, not during it. Your website and LinkedIn profile are your shop front, and for most recruitment companies they are costing money. People check you out long before they contact you. Look at yours the way a stranger would. Does your website say who you help, or only what you do? Is there a case study or testimonial visible within ten seconds? Is there any reason for a visitor to give you their email address? Does your LinkedIn profile read like a CV, or like a page written for the people you want to attract? None of these are big jobs. All of them are the sort of thing that never gets done because it is not urgent. 6.Be Honest About What You Are Really Doing When I talk to recruitment business owners about their marketing, I hear three answers. The first, and it is more common than people admit, is that they are not doing any marketing at all. None. Too busy, or referrals have always been enough. It simply is not happening. The second is that they are doing some, but nowhere near enough of it, and never for long enough to work. A few posts. An email that went out once. It stops before it has a chance to build. The third is that they are busy doing the wrong things. Activity that feels like marketing and produces nothing. Posting jobs and calling it content. Setting up a channel their market never looks at. Before you add anything to your list, be honest about which of the three you are. The fix is different for each. If you are doing nothing, start, and start small enough that you will keep going. If you are doing too little, commit to something you can sustain when the busy weeks arrive. And if you are doing the wrong things, stop them. Stopping is allowed. Consistency in one or two things that work will always beat scattered effort across six that do not. 7. Choose the System First, Not the Sprint Every task above fails if you treat it as a burst of effort. Review the year, blast the database, write some content, tidy the website, feel productive, then run out of road in week three when a big brief lands. What works instead is small, consistent levers pulled repeatedly, whether you feel like it or not. It is deeply unglamorous and it is the whole game. The owners who grow are not the ones with the best ideas. They are the ones with something in place that keeps the marketing moving while they are heads down billing. That is a system. Building one is the best possible use of your summer. How We Can Help If you are reading this thinking, I know all of this and I still do not do it, that is the most normal thing in the world. It is the Implementation Gap, and it is not a character flaw. It is what we have spent this year designing for. Sharon and I have created The Catalyst System, and it sits at the heart of Superfast Circle. It is there for exactly the problem described in this post: marketing that runs as a system rather than something you get to when you remember. If you would like a look at how it works inside Superfast Circle, book a call and we will walk you through it. www.superfastrecruitment.co.uk/call Thanks Denise The post Don’t Pay The Reset Tax With These 7 Marketing Tasks for Your Summer appeared first on Superfast Recruitment.

Many entrepreneurs feel overwhelmed by today's noisy, polarized media landscape, and unsure how to stand out without becoming controversial or “salesy.” Our guest, Bryan Mattimore, innovation expert and author of Trump's Playbook: His 50 Brand and Influence Strategies and How to Use Them Ethically, has helped companies generate over $3 billion in new revenue by turning bold influence tactics into practical, ethical branding strategies. In this episode of Marketer of the Day, Bryan unpack what makes figures like Donald Trump, Taylor Swift, Steve Jobs, Winston Churchill, and Muhammad Ali so unforgettable from a marketing perspective. Bryan explains how Trump's rise is a masterclass in branding, attention, and message simplicity, and how business owners can apply those same principles without the divisiveness. You'll hear how concepts like binary messaging, narrative shortcuts, symbols, memes, and manufactured villains work psychologically, and how they translate into powerful, memorable brand positioning. Bryan also dives into the idea of the attention economy, why simple, repeatable messages win over complex explanations, and how letting your audience “fill in the blanks” can make your brand feel more personally relevant. From “Make America Great Again” to “Just Do It,” he breaks down why the best slogans and stories stick, and how small businesses can create their own clear, consistent, and emotionally charged messaging that cuts through the clutter. In the second half, the conversation shifts to ideation and AI as a practical toolkit for entrepreneurs. Bryan reveals how he used his 50 influence principles with AI to generate hundreds of strategic ideas for brands and institutions like Harvard, NPR, Disney, Planned Parenthood, and Oreo, and how you can do the same for your business, nonprofit, or career. Instead of using AI just to “polish emails,” he shows you how to use it as a brainstorming partner to spark new campaigns, positioning angles, and growth strategies, even when you feel stuck or resource-constrained. https://youtu.be/RSOO3-lOuJ0?si=u7aN_zQXFqC6n9g- If you've ever felt frustrated that your brand isn't getting noticed, or you're uncomfortable with the way some high-profile figures gain attention, this episode offers a blueprint for ethical influence. You'll walk away with a new understanding of how bold ideas, clear messages, and AI-powered ideation can help you differentiate your brand, attract the right audience, and generate fresh opportunities, without compromising your values. Quotes: “From a marketing standpoint, you've got to start by building the brand; otherwise nobody's ever heard of you, nobody knows who you are and what you stand for.” “Trump has taken narrative shortcuts; five or six word phrases where the entire story is implicit. He doesn't even have to tell the story; you kind of get it.” “We live in an attention economy: the more information we get as consumers, the more important it is to stand out and gain attention, and attention now is the power.“ Contact Details: Get Started with Growth Engine Today Follow Bryan Mattimore on Facebook and Unlock your Team's Creative Potential Connect with Bryan Mattimore on LinkedIn Join Bryan Mattimore on X Grab a Copy of Trump's Playbook on Amazon

According to WARC, TV drives more sales impact than Facebook video and YouTube. GOVX proved the research to be true, growing orders alongside TV impressions.Recorded live at CommerceNext 2026, this bonus episode features Marketing Architects Chief Strategic Growth Officer Stacey Hawes and GOVX Chief Brand Officer Aaron Pelander. They tackle one of marketing's toughest challenges: proving TV's impact when its biggest effects don't show up for months after launch. Aaron shares how GOVX moved from a performance-only mindset to a 60/40 split between brand and performance budgets, and why that shift unlocked new growth. Marketers will also learn which metrics matter and why relying on just one measurement model leaves value on the table.Topics covered:[00:00] Kicking off the session at CommerceNext 2026[03:00] Why TV remains one of the hardest channels to measure[06:00] Short-term metrics for tracking TV's immediate impact[08:00] Long-term measurement: brand lift, MMM, and incrementality testing[11:00] Inside GOVX's mission and its path to TV[13:00] GOVX's shift to a 60/40 brand and performance budget[16:00] GOVX's results after partnering with Marketing ArchitectTo learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Most of what you're measuring in email Marketing is noise, and the signals that actually predict pipeline are hiding in places you're probably not even looking. Daniel breaks down why every email needs a honeypot link, an invisible link that only bots click, so you can strip out fake engagement before you ever look at your real numbers. He also makes the case for tracking every CTA separately, since the people who click a button at the bottom of an email are reading more of it and often move faster to pipeline than people who click the first thing at the top. He also talks about using AI to track reply rates and pull specific language out of replies to build first party data, and points out that replies quietly boost your email deliverability too. Jay adds a list of intent signals most teams ignore completely: an emoji reaction during a webinar, any interaction with a chatbot no matter what someone types, and more than 10 seconds spent on a pricing page. He says shoppers who click a bottom CTA show a noticeably higher lifetime value, and that these small, easy to miss actions should put someone on a VIP list because they predict who actually buys faster than a standard open or click ever will. The bigger idea here is a shift from counting activity to counting intent. Opens and clicks only tell you someone showed up. Replies, chatbot use, and CTA position tell you who is actually paying attention and close to buying. If you're a Marketer who is done guessing which leads are real, this is the episode for you. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter:www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit:www.workweek.com

Influencer marketing is not a paradigm shift. At best it's an over-inflated investment (in the billions), at worst it's serving up false credibility to audiences, masked as ‘trust'. And yet, it's all that seemed to be on the agenda at Cannes this year, and is being heavily weighted in the marketing media mix by marketers that should know better. Is marketing through influencers, or content creators, a waste of money then? Ramanathan Vythilingam says no - if it's intentionally used. Ram has been researching the effectiveness of influencer campaigns, following two decades behind the scenes at Unilever. He says the name of the game now is to get savvy and more protective of brand assets and marketing dollars, especially in this marketing era of abundance and clutter.---Learn more:Looking Outside podcast www.looking-outside.comConnect with host, Jo Lepore on LinkedIn & Substack & jolepore.comConnect with Ram on LinkedIn Read Ram's WARC article on influencer marketing---⭐ Follow & rate the show - it makes a difference!---Looking Outside is a podcast exploring fresh perspectives of familiar topics. Hosted by its creator, futurist and strategist, Jo Lepore. New episodes every month. Never the same topic.All views are that of the host and guests and don't necessarily reflect those of their employers. Copyright 2026. Theme song by Azteca X.

Cop the report here :) Marketing can feel creative and frazzled on the same Tuesday, and that's not a you thing. In this one, Joe and James break down the biggest findings from The Marketing Meetup's State of Marketers Report 2026, built from nearly 1,300 responses about how marketers are actually doing, not just how marketing as a practice is performing.They dig into why 80% of marketers who feel positively challenged also tick a hard feeling, why imposter syndrome still hits 4 in 10 marketers with 16+ years experience, how AI is changing what marketers use it for and how they feel about it, and why freelancers report feeling more connected to the industry than people working on site in teams. Then they close with practical takeaways on pay reviews, junior development, and building community before you need it.+ Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction09:23 - Why The State of Marketers report exists13:02 - The five words marketers use to describe the job18:17 - Feeling both good and bad at once22:54 - Imposter syndrome at every level29:02 - How AI use is shifting35:12 - The connection score42:03 - Six practical takeaways53:59 - Q&A begins+ If you enjoyed this, please like and subscribe - it genuinely helps us reach more marketers like you.Join 35,000+ marketers getting our weekly newsletter (it's free): https://themarketingmeetup.comListen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-meetup-podcast/id1365546447Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5QvmFdxg5pMwsfPkKjhXl9+ The Marketing Meetup thrives for many reasons, but one of the crucial reasons we're able to do what we do is because we have the support of some incredible individuals from some equally inspiring companies. Below is the list of our partners in crime: our amigos. All we have to say is a big, massive, thank you.Cambridge Marketing College + Frontify + Planable + Mailchimp + Wistia + Prismic + Canva

Middle managers are the “burger middle” of every organization, the layer that holds everything together and actually makes strategy happen. Yet they're often under-supported, stretched thin, and expected to have all the answers without the tools or space to lead well. Today's guest, Sally Foley-Lewis, global leadership expert and creator of The Burger Framework for Middle Managers, has helped more than 20,000 managers worldwide boost performance, engagement, and productivity by focusing on the right “ingredients” of effective leadership.In this episode of Marketer of the Day, Sally breaks down her Burger Framework, where each burger ingredient represents a key leadership capability. The “protein” stands for values, the non-negotiable core that keeps leaders grounded in integrity, especially during crises and organizational pressure. The “cheese” represents self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and maturity, the “melted” element that pulls everything together and prevents leaders from becoming disconnected, reactive, or clueless about their impact. Sally shares powerful transformation stories of middle managers who had drifted away from their values, were worn down by culture, or believed they had to fully adopt the organization's values and force them on their teams. Once they reconnected with their own values and opened up space for their people to bring their whole selves to work, they saw dramatic changes in morale, retention, and discretionary effort. Through metaphors like the tomato for communication, Sally shows how mid-level leaders can inspire down, collaborate across, and influence up, moving from “dump and run” communication to intentional messaging that motivates, aligns, and earns trust. The conversation also tackles the growing anxiety around AI and the future of middle management. Sally reframes AI not as a leadership replacement, but as a productivity tool that can clear away the boring, repetitive, systematized tasks so managers can double down on what only humans can do: coach, connect, influence, and lead with empathy. She highlights how companies like Microsoft are signaling an even greater need for human-centric leadership as AI adoption increases, and shows middle managers how to leverage technology while strengthening, not eroding, their role. https://youtu.be/00ccvpaJqDI?si=5zybcveQcWwLtprt Finally, Sally offers one simple but game-changing piece of advice that underpins everything: slow down. Most middle managers are not in emergency rooms making life-or-death calls. By slowing the pace, they create space to think, ask better questions, check for gaps, and role-model a healthier, more thoughtful way of working. If you're a middle manager feeling squeezed from all sides, or an executive who wants real ROI from leadership development, this episode will help you see why the “middle of the burger” is where your organization's true power lies, and how to unlock it. Quotes: “As a middle manager, you're in the most powerful position in the organization, you get to inspire down, collaborate across, and influence up.” “As a leader, you set the pace. If your pace is a race, it might not go so well, people will copy what they see, not what you say.” “When we know our values and walk in alignment with them, we walk with integrity, they keep us strong, especially in times of crisis and challenge at work.” Contact Details: Follow Sally Foley-Lewis on Instagram Explore Sally Foley-Lewis' Programs and Start Leading with Greater Impact Today Follow Middle Managers Matter and Transform the Way You Lead on Facebook Connect with Sally Foley-Lewis To Gain Practical Leadership Strategies on LinkedIn Subscribe to Sally Foley-Lewis on YouTube and Unlock Your Leadership Potential

Alex Rynne has spent 10 years inside LinkedIn as a Senior Content Marketing Manager. She and Daniel talk about what's working on the platform in 2026, why most B2B brands are boring when they don't have to be, and why the "post just to post" habit is drowning everyone in a sea of sameness. Plus: the content format Alex ranks #1 (it's probably not the one you post most), the 20/80 rule her team swears by, and the LinkedIn move that quietly turned her side videos into top converters. If you're a Marketer who wants to actually grow on LinkedIn instead of shouting into the void, this episode is for YOU. Enjoying the pod? Do Daniel a favor and hit follow, then leave a quick rating. It helps more Marketers find the show. Follow Alex: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandrarynne/ Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

In this episode of The Ross Simmonds Show, Ross sits down with Talia Wolf, founder of GetUplift and author of Emotional Targeting, to unpack why customer emotion is now central to CRO, SEO, content marketing, and brand trust. They explore how marketers can move beyond surface-level analytics, use AI responsibly, uncover real customer motivations, and build messaging that converts by resonating with the right audience everywhere they show up online. Key Takeaways and Insights: 1. Why CRO Starts with the “Why,” Not Just the “Where” - Talia explains why tools like GA4 and Mixpanel can show where conversion problems happen, but not why people fail to convert. - The key to better leads and sales is understanding what information is missing, what feels risky, and what stops customers from taking action. - Strong conversion strategy starts with customer research, not random funnel tweaks or generic best practices. 2. Using AI Without Losing the Customer - AI can support gap analysis, data synthesis, and ideation, but it should not replace direct customer research. - Talia recommends gathering real inputs from surveys, interviews, Reddit threads, Facebook groups, sales calls, and chat transcripts before using AI. - Once you have authentic customer language, AI can become a strategic thinking partner rather than a shortcut to generic copy. 3. Emotional Targeting in B2B Marketing - Talia argues that B2B buying is often more emotional than B2C because professional decisions carry career, reputation, and budget risks. - Two major emotional clusters drive B2B decisions: social image and self-image. - Marketers should connect features to emotional value, such as helping buyers feel confident, trusted, respected, or prepared to impress leadership. 4. Trust, SEO, and CRO Are Converging - Ross and Talia discuss why SEO and CRO can no longer operate in silos. - Modern buyers research brands across Reddit, LinkedIn, YouTube, communities, AI tools, and search results before converting. - The new opportunity is to optimize everywhere by creating consistent, emotionally resonant messaging across owned and non-owned channels. 5. Better Messaging Comes from Better Listening - Talia shares how her team identifies misunderstandings, objections, and friction points through customer conversations and community research. - Real-world examples show how addressing skepticism directly can outperform polished but vague marketing claims. -  The best marketers resist the pressure to produce more and instead invest in customer insight, sharper positioning, and continuous testing. Resources & Tools:

Wonder how Instagram's newest features could shift where your content gets discovered and who it reaches? I interview Chelsea Peitz to discover how four new Instagram updates should shape your marketing approach.Instagram+ Stories FeaturesInstagram's User-Controlled Algorithm and ReachInstagram Instants Disappearing PhotosInstagram Reels Series and Your MarketingGuest: Chelsea Peitz | Show Notes: socialmediaexaminer.com/726Review our show on Apple PodcastsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

YouTube has officially outgrown traditional media taxonomies to become a unique, multi-surface ecosystem spanning streaming, social, and commerce. This week, Tinuiti's Sean Odlum explains how brands can leverage first-party CRM data and the Ads Data Hub, to bypass mobile-heavy biases and measure true impact across every screen. Key Highlights

We've brought back our wonderful, and previously regular cohost on this show, Aren Manship – formerly Aren Buresh. For longtime listeners, you'll already know that Aren is Strategy Director here at Gorilla 76. And today, she's here to talk about how the strategy department here at Gorilla has been rolling out new AI pilots, and how you might be able to do the same. Want to talk about how you've been using AI? Reach out to podcast@gorilla76.com

We asked 28 marketers what single change in their ad account made the biggest difference — and nobody put creative at the top. What came back instead was account structure, cost caps, better data, and one answer that stopped us cold: doing nothing at all. This episode breaks down the nine cognitive biases quietly running the average media buyer's decisions, from action bias to the expert's curse. We get into why excluding past purchasers dropped one brand's new customer CPA by 40% overnight, why "data-driven" has become a red flag on a resume, and why the last 20% of Meta optimization is worth less than the first 20% of your landing page. If you manage ad accounts, hire people who do, or spend your Sundays reorganizing campaigns you shouldn't be touching, this one's for you. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why excluding past purchasers dropped NCPA by 40% instantly → The two years an account crushed because nobody touched it → Why 85% optimized and understandable beats 100% optimized and muddy → "Data aware, human obsessed" — the hiring filter that should replace "data-driven" → Why measuring by product collection, not by ad, makes diagnosis ten times faster → The case for ignoring your weaknesses entirely and doubling down on strengths ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The no-phone morning walk that fixed our brains 01:20 The Twitter question that broke everyone's assumptions 02:30 A 40% drop in new customer CPA from one mechanical exclusion 03:45 What 28 marketers actually said — and why creative never made the list 05:50 Action bias: why you can't stop touching the account 06:45 "I haven't touched it in three weeks. Why would I?" 08:45 Illusion of control, and whether we should just let Meta cook 11:15 Complexity bias: one CBO campaign, one ad set, two record years 14:30 Metric fixation and the streetlight effect 18:20 Why "data-driven marketer" is a red flag on a resume 21:20 Managing by collection instead of by ad 23:00 The ad account is now a glorified folder system 24:30 Expert's curse: why 70 failed video ads should have been a signal 28:35 There's 100% more to gain outside the ad account than inside it 30:50 The self-serving spotlight — nobody wins an account alone 33:20 "Greed will kill your business faster than anything"

Using retirement accounts to build wealth doesn't have to mean handing everything over to Wall Street and hoping for the best. If you have an IRA or an old 401(k), you may be sitting on capital that could be used more strategically, buying real estate, holding precious metals, funding private deals, or even acting as the bank on a loan, all with powerful tax advantages. Today's guest, Kaaren Hall of uDirect IRA Services, has helped investors self-direct over $1.3 billion in retirement assets, and literally wrote the book on it: The BiggerPockets Guide to Self-Directed IRA Investing. In this episode of Marketer of the Day, Kaaren breaks down what self-directed IRAs are, how they work, and why most account holders have never been told this is even an option, despite being IRS-approved for over 50 years. She explains how entrepreneurs and professionals can roll over old 401(k)s and IRAs into self-directed accounts and use them to invest in rental properties, multifamily syndications, private placements, promissory notes, cryptocurrency, and precious metals. If you've ever found a great deal but thought, “I don't have enough cash to get into this,” Kaaren shows how your retirement money might be the funding source you're missing. Kaaren also walks through the rules and risks that come with this freedom. She explains prohibited transactions, who counts as a “disallowed person” (like you, your spouse, parents, and kids), and why self-directed IRAs are really a “game of keep away," keeping today's personal benefit off the table so your retirement account retains its tax advantages. She shares practical due diligence tips, including using AI tools to scan contracts, highlight potential pitfalls, and prepare better questions before you involve an attorney. Beyond the mechanics, Kaaren tells her personal story, from a divorced mom with a zero net worth and a mortgage to a CEO with multiple income streams, including a business, rental properties, whole life insurance with cash value, and robust retirement plans. She emphasizes micro-contributions, small consistent actions, and the power of compound interest over time. Inspired by Tony Robbins' principle of “massive action,” she encourages listeners to stop waiting for perfect timing and start taking real steps toward financial independence right now. https://youtu.be/PsaYh309uOM?si=GbwRUgnFggV2VZom If you're a business owner, entrepreneur, or professional who wants more control over your retirement money, more diversified, tax-advantaged investments, and a clearer path to a high-quality life after work, this episode will expand your thinking. You'll discover what's really possible with self-directed IRAs, how to protect yourself by knowing the rules, and how to take the first actionable step toward a more empowered retirement strategy. Quotes: “Your IRA should never give you personal benefit today; it's all about later. Retirement accounts are designed so future-you can live well.” “If you want something, don't just do one thing, take massive action. Do everything you can think of toward that goal to make it happen.” “It's not so much about what you can do with your IRA, it's about what you can't do, and once you understand those rules, the possibilities really open up.” Contact Details: Schedule your Free Consultation or Open your Account Today with uDirect IRA Services Follow uDirect IRA on Facebook and Take the First Step Toward Smarter Retirement Investing Connect with Kaaren Hall on LinkedIn Follow uDirect IRA on X Subscribe to uDirect IRA on YouTube for Expert Guidance on Self-Directed IRAs Follow uDirect IRA Services on Instagram for Expert Tips on Self-Directed IRAs Grab a Copy of Self-Directed IRA Investing: A BiggerPockets Guide on Amazon

Autism is still widely misunderstood, mental health struggles are often minimized, and the long-term damage of bullying can be devastating, sometimes in ways that aren't visible until years later. Today's guest, Sean Sullivan, is on a mission to reach people before hopelessness wins. Drawing from his lived experience with autism, bullying, depression, and crisis, Sean has transformed his pain into purpose as an autism self-advocate, keynote speaker, and nonprofit founder.  In this episode of Marketer of the Day, Sean shares how he went from being seen only through the lens of his diagnosis to becoming an ambassador for Autism Speaks, playing a role in the Autism Cares Act, and launching his nonprofit and platform at IKnowFundraising.org. He explains what most people get wrong about autism, why stigma and ignorance are still so prevalent even as diagnoses rise, and how families, schools, and communities can create environments of true belonging, not just surface-level “awareness.” Sean dive into the complexity of autism and neurodiversity, from changing diagnostic labels (like PDD-NOS and Asperger's now being folded into autism) to the wide spectrum of abilities, from nonverbal individuals to well-known figures like Elon Musk and Bill Gates. Sean emphasizes that autism can't be reduced to a single definition or stereotype, and that resilience often comes from refusing to give up on yourself or your loved ones, even when the world underestimates you. Beyond advocacy, Sean shares how he's building a brand and movement around his mission. He talks about launching his nonprofit, hosting his I Know Disabilities / I Know Autism podcast, partnering with organizations like Regency Theatres and Krispy Kreme, and authoring four books on autism and advocacy (search “Autism Sean Sullivan” on Amazon to find titles like Turning Pain into Power: My Story of Autism and Advocacy and The Autism Advantage: Transforming Obstacles into Strengths. His long-term vision? To stand on the stage of the United Nations and speak on autism, bullying prevention, and mental health at a global level. https://youtu.be/av4XGRg3Gmc?si=UaO0zR1Khq43i7DL If you're a parent of a neurodivergent child, an educator, a community leader, or someone who simply wants to understand autism beyond clichés and outdated labels, this episode will give you both heart-level insight and practical perspective. You'll come away with a deeper understanding of bullying prevention, suicide risk, and how to support autistic individuals in ways that honor their abilities, humanity, and potential. Quotes: "I would say the definition of autism is that there is no definition of autism, because it's a spectrum." "I want my story to be filled with extraordinary experiences, and I want my story to be passed down to generations." "My advice is not giving up on what you want for your child and what they want for themselves in the face of adversity." Contact Details: Start Making a Bigger Impact Today: Visit IKnowFundRaising.org Today Stay inspired: Follow Sean Sullivan on Facebook Today Connect with Sean Sullivan on LinkedIn The Autism Advantage: Transforming Obstacles into Strengths on Amazon Turning Pain into Power: My Story of Autism and Advocacy on Amazon Don't just scroll; Start Learning: Stream the Latest Episode of I Know Autism on Spotify

Websites are losing traffic in the AI era. Anda Gansca, Co-Founder and CEO of Knotch, an AI-powered content intelligence company, explains what marketers still get wrong about their digital properties. She breaks down why personalization can backfire and tip into the creepy factor, how trust outperforms tailored messaging when audience equity already exists, and why AI-driven personalization trained on mediocre human data still falls short.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Full transcript CMOs are " really good at the M part," says Bennie Johnson, the CEO of the American Marketing Association. "We're really good at the marketing part. We struggle with the 'Chief' and the 'Officer.'" Why is that? Some possible reasons include the lack of professional certification for great marketers, the short tenures CMOs often have before moving on to the next job, or the fact that — according to the Marketing + Media Alliance's research —  30 percent of marketing capabilities sit outside the role of CMO. "We need to take a full push that we are unapologetically leading the business," Bennie says. "An organization's marketers are driving growth. We don't get credit for the money, but we get credit for the expense." Today on Building Better CMOs, Bennie and Greg talk about bridging research and practice through executive–academic collaboration, emerging trends from the AMA's own research, and why Bennie believes "adjectives matter" when you talk about marketing. Plus: Why you are never the target audience. 00:00 Introduction 03:47 Inside the AMA's Big Tent 08:22 Future Trends in Marketing 10:58 Portfolio Careers and Fractional CMOs 22:07 Career Advice and Collecting Art 29:20 You Are Not the Target Audience 31:25 Where Academic Research Meets Practice 36:05 The Boardroom Leadership Gap 38:16 Why Marketing Loses Control 48:23 No Licensure, No Gatekeepers Bennie's LinkedIn American Marketing Association This episode was produced and edited by Eric Johnson from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LightningPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Building Better CMOs in your podcast app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rate and review the podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠

Kelly Cheng, CMO at Goldcast, joins Daniel to talk trust, mind share, and how B2B Marketing can break through when the internet is drowning in AI slop. In a feed full of AI avatars and synthetic everything, the stuff that actually earns trust is the stuff AI can't manufacture. What breaks through in a feed full of AI content, and how do you scale it without turning into slop yourself? Kelly and Daniel get into why buyers' shortlists are shrinking even as their options explode, the one thing AI still can't fake (hint: it starts with a T), and the "lazy Marketer" trap that's quietly wrecking teams. If you're a Marketer trying to win mind share and build real trust in the age of AI, this episode is for YOU. Enjoying the pod? Do Daniel a favor and hit follow, then leave a quick rating. It helps more Marketers find the show. Follow Kelly: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyhcheng/ Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Cybersecurity Today host David Shipley covers how a newly unsealed U.S. complaint tied an alleged Scattered Spider member to a luxury retailer intrusion using a persistent Windows device ID, with prosecutors alleging help-desk social engineering, admin account takeover, data exfiltration, and an $8 million ransom demand; the episode also notes additional Scattered Spider-related guilty pleas in the U.K. and U.S.   The show reports Google patched "Rogue Agent," a Dialogflow CX permission-boundary issue involving Python code blocks in Cloud Run that could enable data theft or credential prompts across agents in a shared project.   It details "Janus Escape" (CVE-2026-53359), a 16-year-old Linux KVM use-after-free enabling guest-to-host escapes in cloud environments, patched in June.   The show explores Apple's shift to out-of-band security updates due to AI-accelerated exploitation, and a multi-platform redirect phishing campaign using fake job interviews and browser-in-browser Google login prompts targeting marketers' Google accounts. 00:00 Sponsor NordLayer 00:36 Headlines Intro 01:03 Scattered Spider Traced 03:16 More Spider Arrests 04:31 Google Rogue Agent 06:24 Linux Janus Escape 08:04 Apple Patching Shift 10:04 Marketer Phish Chain 12:17 Wrap Up Thanks 12:53 Sponsor Message

Websites are losing traffic in the AI era. Anda Gansca, Co-Founder and CEO of Knotch, an AI-powered content intelligence company, explains what marketers still get wrong about their digital properties. She breaks down why personalization can backfire and tip into the creepy factor, how trust outperforms tailored messaging when audience equity already exists, and why AI-driven personalization trained on mediocre human data still falls short.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Concern over short-termism has more than doubled in three years, from 25% of marketers calling it the biggest industry issue in 2022 to 55% in 2025. And yet, budget allocation has barely moved.This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob dig into why the say-do gap persists in media planning and what it looks like to build a mix based on marketing effectiveness principles instead. They walk through the 60-40 rule and how to make it your own, what warning signs signal a brand is over-indexed on performance, and why channels like TV and audio earn a closer look when competitors are busy piling into the same digital placements. Topics covered:[01:00] The say-do gap and why marketers keep doing what they know doesn't work[05:22] What rebalancing toward brand building looks like in practice[07:27] Warning signs your brand is over-indexed on performance[10:00] How to use reach to grow beyond your existing customers[12:28] Using share of voice to find channel opportunities your competitors have missed[14:08] Linear vs. CTV: how to use each as a distinct strategic tool[17:46] Building a measurement approach that captures both short and long-term impactTo learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: 2026 WARC Article: https://www.warc.com/en/article/whats-stopping-cmos-investing-in-brand-building-9ceffeb68530467cb3ecc12959e94670 Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Many entrepreneurs don't lose their businesses because their ideas were bad, they lose them because of preventable legal mistakes they never saw coming. Missing contracts, the wrong business structure, weak documentation, or no insurance can turn one dispute or lawsuit into a business-ending disaster. In this episode of Marketer of the Day, business attorney Matthew Fornaro shares practical, real-world legal guidance for small business owners, startups, and entrepreneurs who want to protect what they're building. With over 20 years of experience in business law and complex commercial litigation, Matthew has seen firsthand how simple steps taken early can prevent massive headaches and costs later. Matthew walks us through a clear startup legal checklist, including choosing the right entity (LLC, S corp, etc.), putting governing documents in place (operating agreements, bylaws, partnership agreements), registering properly with the state, getting your EIN and tax setup handled, and making sure every important relationship is backed by a written contract, even if it's just clear, well-structured emails or website terms of service. He also dives into the trade-offs of business ownership: the freedom versus the responsibility. Unlike a 9–5 job where payroll, benefits, compliance, and taxes are handled for you, as a business owner you are the infrastructure. Matthew explains how to think about risk management, personal liability, insurance, and compliance so you're not walking a tightrope without a safety net. Worried about getting sued? Matthew explains why “anyone can sue anyone for anything” is technically true, but also why that doesn't mean you should panic or do nothing. Instead, he breaks down how good systems, consistent procedures, solid contracts, and robust insurance can dramatically reduce your risk and help you succeed (or defend yourself) on the merits instead of losing on technicalities. Cost is one of the biggest objections founders have to hiring an attorney, and Matthew tackles that head-on. He explains why legal help is far more accessible and democratized today than it used to be, how many foundational business services can be handled on flat fees in the low thousands, and why budgeting for a business-focused attorney, accountant, and insurance agent is simply part of the real cost of doing business, not a luxury. The conversation also explores the role of AI in modern business and law. Matthew shares how he uses AI as a “force multiplier” in his own practice, but stresses the importance of owning the output, fact-checking, reviewing for legal accuracy, and making sure you're not violating intellectual property or terms of service. For business owners using AI for content, documents, or operations, his advice is clear: AI is powerful, but you're still responsible. https://youtu.be/VmjI28kprEw?si=6Tjfk5nCWKPhmDjI Matthew illustrates these principles with a success story of a client who came to him before launching a founder with an app idea who needed help with business formation, intellectual property protection, and trademarks. By setting things up correctly from day one, that client now runs a thriving app with six-figure user numbers, protected IP, and a solid legal foundation. If you're a founder, freelancer, or small business owner who's been “winging it” with your legal setup, or hoping boilerplate templates and good luck will be enough this episode will show you what you've been missing. You'll walk away with a practical mental checklist for business formation, contracts, risk reduction, and smart use of AI, plus the confidence to start building your professional advisory team the right way. Quotes: "Most of the business issues that I deal with in retrospect are all things that could have been addressed and dealt with before they became major problems later on down the road." "Having an attorney today is much more democratized than it has been in the past… it's not cost-prohibitiv...

In this episode, Michael sits down with Shamir Duversau to unpack what most organizations are getting wrong about AI adoption and digital transformation. Shamir brings over 16 years of experience leading a technical marketing agency and shares insights from her career journey through major brands like Southwest Airlines, The Walt Disney Company, and Marriott International. The conversation cuts through the hype around AI and focuses on what actually drives results: clarity, structure, and disciplined execution.

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