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Matt Butts, Head of Marketing Science at Samsung Ads Europe, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss marketing science, incrementality, connected TV measurement and why rigorous testing matters more than a positive result. This episode explains how marketers can move beyond convenient metrics, design better experiments and connect advertising activity to meaningful business outcomes. Matt also explores how changing television behaviours are reshaping media planning, audience measurement and the role of connected TV.In this episode, we cover:– Why marketers often measure metrics without questioning whether they matter– The difference between basic A/B testing and genuine incrementality testing– Why the quality of the test matters more than whether the result is positive– How marketing scientists translate complex analysis into commercial decisions– How Samsung Ads measures viewing across linear television, streaming and gaming– Why reported reach can hide significant audience duplication– How incremental reach can reduce media waste and identify missed audiences– The role of connected TV data in advertising planning and measurement– Why marketers need to communicate measurement differently to CMOs, CFOs and media teams– How rigorous measurement helped one advertiser move from zero investment to a seven-figure commitmentMatt argues that marketing science should not simply validate decisions that have already been made. Its role is to challenge assumptions, identify what would have happened without the advertising and give marketers evidence they can confidently use to make better investment decisions.A useful listen for marketers interested in marketing science, advertising effectiveness, connected TV, incrementality, media measurement, experimentation and commercial impact.Timestamps01:16 How Matt found his way into marketing science02:19 How advertising measurement has changed03:27 Are marketers measuring things without knowing why?04:27 Why measurement assumptions must be tested continually05:02 Do marketers know how to test properly?06:00 The limitations of basic A/B testing06:17 Why incrementality is the missing part of marketing testing07:18 The importance of statisticians, data scientists and translation08:13 Matt's journey to Samsung Ads08:18 What Samsung Ads does09:00 How television viewing behaviour has changed10:18 Balancing audience precision, relevance and scale11:02 Relevance without intrusive personalisation12:19 Samsung Ads' Total View measurement capability12:36 Audience duplication, incremental reach and missed audiences13:40 Why platform reach figures can be misleading14:06 What a Head of Marketing Science actually does14:40 Building advertiser-specific measurement playbooks15:16 Using measurement to improve future advertising investment15:23 How to explain incrementality to senior business leaders15:41 Why marketers need to understand marketing science17:00 How measurement feeds into marketing mix models17:33 A real example of fixing incomplete advertising data19:00 How a geo test led to a seven-figure investment19:43 Why negative test results should not frighten marketers20:40 Combining scientific rigour with commercial thinking21:51 What comes next for connected TV measurement22:00 Connecting television and mobile data23:30 Why marketing measurement must keep pace with human behaviourThat's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThanks to the Digital Voice for their partnership https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.uk/That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Amir Rasekh, Managing Director of Nectar360, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss customer insight, retail media, AI-powered measurement and how agentic commerce could change the way people shop.This episode explains how retail media has evolved from loyalty data, targeted coupons and direct mail into a sophisticated, measurable channel spanning in-store, onsite and offsite media.In this episode, we cover:– Why customer insight remains the foundation of effective retail media– How Nectar360 connects loyalty, insight and retail media in one customer-focused system– Why brands hold retail media to a higher measurement standard than traditional channels– How Nectar360 measures incrementality and multi-touch attribution across omnichannel campaigns– How its AI-powered Pollen platform makes campaign planning, creative production and measurement faster– What agentic commerce could mean for retailers, marketers and customer decision-making– Why AI should support better human relationships rather than remove the people involvedAmir also shares early results from Pollen, including 2.5 times more incremental sales from omnichannel campaigns and evidence that retail media can influence the middle and upper parts of the marketing funnel, rather than acting only as a conversion channel.The conversation also explores an important tension for marketers: technology can make retail media simpler, faster and more measurable, but clients still expect strong relationships, expertise and human judgement. A useful listen for marketers interested in customer insight, retail media, marketing measurement, AI in marketing, incrementality, omnichannel strategy and the future of commerce.Timestamps00:00 Introduction01:27 Amir Rasekh's career in retail and Sainsbury's04:34 Building an insight-led culture05:00 What Nectar360 does today06:06 Why retail media suddenly became so prominent07:18 The fundamentals of retail media08:52 Why measurement expectations are increasing10:28 Introducing Nectar360's Pollen platform12:15 Are marketers rigorous enough when testing campaigns?13:33 How AI accelerated retail media technology14:21 AI audience building, creative scoring and production14:38 Cutting creative production from weeks to 90 seconds14:59 Early results from omnichannel retail media16:10 Retail media as a brand-building channel17:05 How customer shopping behaviour is changing18:00 What agentic commerce means for retail20:03 Will consumers shop through ChatGPT and AI agents?22:16 Why physical stores still matter24:00 How Nectar360's teams are using AI25:16 Building AI literacy across an organisation25:47 Why clients do not want technology to replace people26:04 Closing thoughtsThat's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThis Cannes Sessions episode is produced in partnership with The Digital Voice.Find out more at: https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.ukThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Marketing is changing faster than ever. AI is reshaping the industry, customer behavior is evolving, and marketers are being asked to do more with less. So what does it actually take to lead marketing in 2026?In this episode, we're joined by Sarah Fuller, Chief Marketing Officer at The AA, whose career spans some of the UK's most iconic brands including Procter & Gamble, Nando's, British Airways, John Lewis, and more.Sarah shares practical lessons on leading high-performing marketing teams, building brands that customers genuinely trust, using AI without losing creativity, and why curiosity remains the most valuable skill any marketer can develop.Whether you're a CMO, marketing leader, founder, agency owner, or aspiring marketer, this conversation is packed with actionable insights you can apply immediately.
Are you just busy working? Or are you adding value? Marketing has become overloaded with channels, platforms, metrics, and specialized roles. But Seth Matlins believes the job itself is much simpler: create value, drive sustainable growth, and help the business create and keep customers. In this episode, Seth joins Stephanie Postles to explain why CMO job descriptions are often fundamentally disconnected from business results—and why marketers must see themselves as commercial leaders, not merely brand leaders. They discuss the danger of optimizing for departmental metrics instead of business outcomes, why short-term pressure can destroy long-term growth, and what Seth learned from one of the biggest strategic mistakes of his career. They also explore why brands must become more humane in an AI-driven world, what separates the world's most influential CMOs, and why every decision a company makes either creates or destroys value. Seth Matlins is the founder of The Wisdomist Company, former Managing Director of the Forbes CMO Network, and host of Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing. Follow Seth: LinkedIn — Seth Matlins Listen to his new show: Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing (Vox Media + The Wisdomist Company) This episode brought to you by Attentive. Attentive helps brands personalize messages across SMS, email, RCS, and push - so every interaction feels relevant, not random. Not more marketing. Better marketing. That's marketing made personal. That's Attentive. To learn more visit attentive.com. Chapters 0:00 The CMO Job Description Is Broken 2:30 Marketing Is a Commercial Strategy 4:19 How “Marketing Prefixes” Broke the Function 8:04 Why Your Team Is Punching Growth in the Face 13:20 David Droga: Complexity Is a Tax on Success 16:02 The Worst Work Seth Ever Did 20:21 “You Neither Give Nor Take Direction” 24:03 Stop Trying to Be Human. Be Humane. 29:23 What Separates the World's Most Influential CMOs 31:49 Why CEOs Struggle to Understand Marketing 34:03 Why Eric Schmidt Was Wrong About Marketing 35:43 Seth's 10 Rules of Marketing 40:09 Introducing Create or Destroy 45:52 Lightning Round: Harry Potter, Coca-Cola and More 49:40 Are Your Metrics Making You Play the Wrong Game? ----Mission.org is a media studio producing content alongside world-class clients. Learn more at mission.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Lara Balazs, CMO of Adobe, joins us to discuss what it takes to lead one of the world's most influential creative brands through a period of enormous change.From Adobe's presence at Cannes to the rapid rise of AI, Lara shares her vision for the company and why she believes technology should be used in service of creativity, rather than simply to drive efficiency. We explore why creativity matters more than ever in the age of AI, the skills Adobe looks for in marketers, and the traits that separate the most successful CMOs.Lara also shares the practical leadership principles she uses to run her team, from creating a company plan on a page and harnessing the power of repetition to prioritising progress over perfection and using the “two-way door” approach to make faster decisions.This episode is brought to you by System1. Download their creator effectiveness report here: https://system1group.com/the-creator-effectiveness-playbookTimestamps00:00 - Start01:23 - The most surprising thing about Lara03:11 - How Adobe have stood out at Cannes05:50 - What makes an influential CMO?06:59 - How to manage a business through change09:54 - Lara's vision for Adobe13:33 - Finding inspiration from a brand's history15:13 - Where AI has been used in service of creativity18:03 - AI to enhance creativity vs increasing efficiency20:42 - Why creativity still matters in the AI age23:41 - What skillsets does Adobe hire for in marketing?25:22 - The traits of the most successful CMOs28:55 - The company plan on a page30:49 - The power of repitition32:05 - Progress over perfection at Adobe33:14 - The two way door approach37:19 - The best advice Lara has ever recieved
O marketing deixou de ser apenas a área que cria campanhas bonitas para entrar de vez no centro da estratégia das empresas. Agora, o CMO precisa ser multitarefa: entender o consumidor, ajudar a desenhar produtos, participar da definição de preços, usar dados para acelerar decisões e precisa provar – em números – o retorno das suas apostas.Mas será que as empresas já entenderam essa mudança?Esse é o tema do primeiro episódio do McKinsey Talks, uma parceria do Brazil Journal com a McKinsey.Na conversa, Renata Gomide, CMO do Grupo Boticário, e Pedro Fernandes, sócio da McKinsey, discutem o papel do marketing na mesa de decisão das grandes companhias.Para Renata, o marketing é hoje o “motor de crescimento” do Grupo Boticário – a área que leva a voz do consumidor para dentro da empresa e ajuda a definir as estratégias de longo prazo da companhia.“Estamos no centro da discussão, não só alimentando a empresa com informação para uma melhor tomada de decisão, mas desenhando a estratégia de futuro,” disse a executiva. Segundo Pedro, essa visão está se mostrando um grande diferencial. Para ele, os CMOs que estão criando vantagem competitiva são aqueles que conseguem entender o consumidor mais rápido, participar do desenho do produto e falar a linguagem financeira do negócio.O episódio também mostra como o Grupo Boticário vem usando social listening, dados e integração entre marketing, tecnologia e canais para encurtar o tempo entre uma tendência que aparece na rua – ou no TikTok – e um produto novo na prateleira.Assista ao primeiro episódio do McKinsey Talks.
What if the most misunderstood role in business is also the one deciding whether your company scales?In this solo episode, Cameron Herold, founder of the COO Alliance and author of Second in Command, tackles the question every growth-minded CEO eventually faces: what exactly is a COO? Drawing on Bennett and Miles' research and his own years as second in command at 1-800-GOT-JUNK?, Cameron explains why no two COOs on the planet have the same job, and why the search for a great one starts with the CEO's own strengths and gaps.He walks through the seven types of COO: Executor, Change Agent, Mentor, Other Half, Partner, Heir Apparent, and MVP, with stories from Shopify, Oracle, Dell, and Facebook, plus the common roles a COO plays as adult in the room, integrator, and moderator.Get this hire wrong, and the person meant to fix the chaos only adds to it. Listen now.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The question-asking habit that separates growing companies from stuck ones[00:52] – Why most CMOs are interchangeable, but no two COOs share the same job[01:40] – The only non-negotiable requirement for any COO[02:31] – The research that uncovered the seven main categories of COO[04:30] – When a change agent should come from outside the company[05:34] – Why changing a company's culture is like dealing with teenagers[07:30] – The mentor move that shaped Facebook's earliest years[08:30] – The marriage test every CEO-COO pairing has to pass[13:18] – The leadership meeting comment that earned Cameron the COO title[18:57] – The homeowner and contractor rule for splitting the what from the how[23:20] – Why the CEO, not the COO, should be the tiebreakerMentioned ResourcesRiding Shotgun: The Role of the COO by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. MilesSecond in Command: The Misunderstood Role of the Chief Operating Officer by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. Miles (Harvard Business Review)Double Double by Cameron HeroldHigh Growth Handbook by Elad GilRocket Fuel by Gino Wickman and Mark C. WintersTraction: Get a Grip on Your Business by Gino WickmanImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World's Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron's book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookClaim your FREE* copy: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi*Valid only for CEOs or COO/Second in Command based in the US or Canada at companies wih $2M + revenue.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
A question showed up in a Facebook group that's been sitting with me ever since: is anyone else noticing that Claude is writing really mid copy? What followed wasn't a rant about AI. It was something more interesting, a diagnosis of what separates marketers who can catch bad work from the ones who can't, and why that gap is about to matter more than almost any other skill you have. The episode gets into what happens when you can't tell the difference between copy that looks right and copy that actually works. There's a name for the spiral that follows, and once you hear it described, you'll see it everywhere, in your clients' businesses, in the work being produced around you, and maybe in your own process. Key Topics Covered: Why marketers notice AI-generated copy problems that business owners completely miss The balloon cake analogy for copy that has all the trappings but none of the substance The slop loop and how it compounds when taste is absent Two tracks for CMOs depending on whether they have taste in a given discipline How a direct response marketer thinks about guarantees as a competitive weapon Why speed of iteration beats perfectionism when you lack taste in a specific area Building AI fluency through pet projects with no financial stakes Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
What does attention actually tell us about whether advertising is working?Pete Wallace, Managing Director EMEA at GumGum, explains why clicks remain a poor measure of advertising effectiveness and how attention can help marketers connect media exposure with real brand outcomes.Pete shares how GumGum combines contextual signals, attention data, time, device and creative performance to predict the mindset of an audience. He brings this to life through GumGum's work with the BBC and Havas on *Celebrity Traitors*, where targeting and creative changed as tension and excitement around the programme developed.We also discuss why there is no universal number of seconds that guarantees attention, how creative testing can reveal when branding should appear, and why advertising needs to respect the environment in which it appears.The conversation then moves into privacy, the value exchange between advertising and free content, the problem with ad tech companies using the same language, and why marketers need to ask more difficult questions about the technology behind their media plans.Pete also reflects on moving from agency life into ad tech and leading teams across Europe, Japan and Australia, where different cultures require different approaches to pitching, testing and decision-making.## In this episode, you will learn:* Why attention can be more useful than clicks as a measure of advertising effectiveness* How contextual advertising can predict consumer mindset without relying on personal identity* How GumGum adapted targeting and creative during the BBC's *Celebrity Traitors** Why every brand may require a different attention benchmark* How creative attention data can improve branding and message placement* Why advertising works best when it respects the surrounding content* How marketers can test ad technology rather than accepting similar-sounding sales pitches* What Pete has learned from leading teams across different international markets## Timestamps01:38 Pete's journey from media agencies into ad tech03:23 The difference between agency life and working in sales05:33 What GumGum does and how the business has developed06:00 Using data signals to predict consumer mindset06:55 How GumGum worked on the BBC's *Celebrity Traitors*08:46 Why attention has always influenced media planning09:25 Connecting attention to business and brand outcomes10:21 How GumGum measures attention11:15 Why there is no universal attention benchmark11:23 Using attention data to improve creative execution12:45 Matching advertising to the environment around it13:34 Why brands are asking more questions about ad technology14:33 Where GumGum fits within the modern media plan14:40 Why marketers need greater digital and technical knowledge15:12 Are marketers rigorous enough when testing media?16:00 The problem with every ad tech company sounding the same17:00 Why campaign learning needs to feed into future activity17:42 Leading teams across Europe, Japan and Australia18:23 How culture changes client expectations and ways of working20:01 Balancing global consistency with local flexibility21:23 What international markets can learn from one another*The Cannes Sessions are brought to you in partnership with The Digital Voice.*That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Cambridge Tech Podcast hits a significant milestone this week with its 200th episode, and they marked the occasion by revisiting Pragmatic Semiconductor, the company that featured in their very first show. This time, co-founder and CTO Richard Price joined hosts Faye Holland and James Parton to discuss how the company has evolved from a scrappy six-person startup in a Cambridge shoebox office to a 300-strong powerhouse reshaping the semiconductor industry.Richard Price's journey is a masterclass in deep tech entrepreneurship. Starting with a chemistry kit that "ruined a number of carpets" as a child, he progressed through organic light-emitting diode research before co-founding Pragmatic in 2011 with Scott White and four other talented founders.Richard shared with us details of some of their key innovations:Thin-film semiconductor layers on flexible substrates (not silicon-based)Manufacturing cycle times measured in days, not monthsLower temperatures, less water, fewer chemicals = genuine sustainability benefitsCurrent applications in RFID smart labels for anti-counterfeiting and EU digital product passport complianceThe roadmap is ambitious. Generation 3 chips launch this year, followed by a CMOS platform at the end of next year, the first complementary metal oxide semiconductor offering from the company. Beyond that lies the "fab as a service" model, potentially deploying manufacturing facilities globally to compress supply chains and boost resilience.For founders and VCs, Pragmatic's story offers valuable lessons: the importance of finding the right co-founder (Richard and Scott have been together 15 years), the critical role of ecosystem and location, and the patience required to build deep tech companies.Headline sponsor Holden Polestar Produced by Cambridge TV #CamTechPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Building a tutoring nonprofit that now serves 25,000 students a year — with a vision to reach millions — required someone who'd lived the exact gap she was trying to close. Aly Murray grew up a low-income student raised by a single immigrant mother, moved through a string of Title 1 schools, and felt firsthand what it's like to navigate homework and college applications without support at home. She left a trading job at JP Morgan eight years ago to build Upchieve, a nonprofit offering free, 24/7 human tutoring and college counseling to every Title 1 middle and high school student in the country. Her work is backed by a Gates Foundation-funded study comparing human and AI tutoring, and Upchieve now partners with schools, districts, and CMOs at a cost of about 50 cents per tutoring session. Most school tutoring programs run from 3 to 5pm — and that single design choice quietly locks out the students who need help the most. Aly Murray, founder of the nonprofit Upchieve, built a 24/7 human tutoring program instead, and the data on why AI can't replace it yet might surprise you.
Building agency-client relationships requires clarity on goals, communication and trust. Learn what actually makes partnerships work and last.Gill Huber from Ingenuity+ joins us to break down what clients want from agencies and what agencies want from clients, drawing on data from over 250 marketing directors surveyed every quarter. This episode kicks off a brand new four week collaboration between The Marketing Meetup and WACL, the 103 year old network for women in advertising, marketing, tech and communications.We analyse the real reasons clients leave agencies, how AI is reshaping expectations on both sides, and how smaller agencies and consultants can get noticed without getting lost in an endless pitch process. Jill shares her perspective on what makes agency-client relationships thrive long term, helping you understand what's really driving decisions on both sides of the table.This is essential viewing for anyone working in or with agencies, whether you're managing client relationships, running pitches, or trying to win new business in a crowded market.Subscribe for weekly marketing leadership breakdowns, and comment below: what's the biggest reason you've seen an agency-client relationship break down?+00:00 — Welcome03:02 — The agency landscape today08:54 — Impact of fractional roles10:46 — How AI is changing client expectations16:16 — Has AI made execution too cheap?18:19 — Why clients really leave agencies21:20 — Getting to a shared definition of success24:29 — Avoiding the client-agency power imbalance27:07 — Escaping the endless pitch process32:51 — Advice for solo marketers and small agencies35:33 — When to discuss service level agreements41:41 — Retainers vs. project based work46:27 — Questions to ask before agreeing budgets49:20 — Building long term agency partnerships53:05 — Navigating compensation expectations55:51 — Collect experiences, build networks, enjoy the journey+If you enjoyed this, please like and subscribe - it genuinely helps us reach more marketers like you.+ Join 35,000+ marketers getting our weekly newsletter (it's free): https://themarketingmeetup.com/newsletterListen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-meetup-podcast/id1365546447Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5QvmFdxg5pMwsfPkKjhXl9+The Marketing Meetup thrives for many reasons, but one of the crucial reasons we're able to do what we do is because we have the support of some incredible individuals from some equally inspiring companies. Below is the list of our partners in crime: our amigos. All we have to say is a big, massive, thank you: Cambridge Marketing College + Frontify + Planable + Wistia + Prismic + Canva
In this episode, Mark Abraham, Managing Director and Senior Partner at BCG, joins Elke Karskens, Head of International Marketing at OpenAI to explore how AI is already transforming marketing and what's coming next. We discuss OpenAI's remarkable growth, the launch of its first advertising campaign, and how marketers can prepare for a future where AI is embedded across every function.The conversation covers how brands can increase their visibility in ChatGPT, the opportunities created by tools like Codex, the skills tomorrow's CMOs will need, and why the real value of AI isn't just efficiency, it's effectiveness.This episode has been produced in partnership with BCG. Browse their CMO Report here:https://www.bcg.com/publications/2026/making-the-agentic-marketing-transformation-a-realityTimestamps00:00 - Start01:16 - Open AI's meteoric rise02:07 - Breakthrough moments for OpenAI03:04 - How have Open AI scaled so quickly04:49 - What will be led by humans and what will be led by AI in 5 years06:09 - Open AI's impressive first ad campaign08:32 - Launch of the Open AI advertising platform13:01 - How brands can rank in ChatGPT14:44 - How brands can use Codex17:44 - How do CMOs feel about AI19:34 - How do you deliver transformation with AI20:55 - What skillsets are going to be in demand for the future CMO23:29 - Which brands are using AI well today24:52 - What can we do with AI in a year from now we can't do today?29:45 - Why BCG and Open AI work together30:53 - What don't people understand about AI?35:11 - Efficiency and cost savings vs effectiveness in AI38:15 - Best advice you've ever been given
James MacDonald, Founder of Limelight, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss programmatic advertising, building a global ad tech business, AI and why simplicity still matters for marketers today.This episode explores the journey from Fleet Street advertising sales to modern programmatic technology, through a practical conversation about risk, reinvention, customer focus, remote culture and building technology that solves real problems.In this episode, we cover:– What Fleet Street taught James about sales, resilience and asking for the business– Why helping people buy is more powerful than pushing people to buy– How James identified the gap that led to Limelight– Why programmatic advertising still needs simplicity, support and better execution– How Limelight thinks about AI, interoperability and the importance of human judgement– What it takes to build and maintain a strong remote culture across a global teamA useful listen for marketers interested in ad tech, programmatic advertising, AI in marketing, founder stories, sales, customer success, remote teams and building through change.That's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThis Cannes Sessions episode is brought to you in partnership with The Digital Voice.Find out more at: https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.uk01:38 Starting out on Fleet Street03:19 What early sales teaches you04:35 From eggs to advertising06:27 Helping people buy, not pushing a sale07:04 Mentors, mistakes and learning through failure07:11 Starting again and founding Limelight09:31 Finding the right business partner10:59 Identifying the gap in programmatic12:00 Building the Limelight platform14:00 Taking risks as a founder15:59 Building culture as the company grows16:42 Running a fully remote global business18:17 What Limelight does20:49 How people discover Limelight22:16 Listening to customers and building the product23:33 AI, human judgement and interoperability26:05 Why simplicity matters in technologyThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What happens when a journalist steps into the world of influencer marketing and financial insights, only to return to the reporter's beat? In this week's episode of Campaign Chemistry, newly minted managing editor Emmy Liederman sits down with Jameson Fleming to chart her career path and lay out her vision for the future of Campaign US. From her early days in journalism to her time navigating the evolving influencer landscape, Liederman explains how a deep understanding of both human interest stories and hard financial data shapes modern B2B marketing. She breaks down the real-world challenges facing today's CMOs, the need for accountability in trade journalism and how Campaign aims to be an indispensable resource for an industry in constant flux. Plus, she shares her unfiltered takes on industry buzzwords in a fast-paced game of "Love, Like and Loathe." campaignlive.com Music - Take you Out by Lucid Tides, courtesy of Triple Scoop. What we know about advertising, you should know about advertising. Start your 1-month FREE trial to Campaign US. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Full transcript CMOs are " really good at the M part," says Bennie Johnson, the CEO of the American Marketing Association. "We're really good at the marketing part. We struggle with the 'Chief' and the 'Officer.'" Why is that? Some possible reasons include the lack of professional certification for great marketers, the short tenures CMOs often have before moving on to the next job, or the fact that — according to the Marketing + Media Alliance's research — 30 percent of marketing capabilities sit outside the role of CMO. "We need to take a full push that we are unapologetically leading the business," Bennie says. "An organization's marketers are driving growth. We don't get credit for the money, but we get credit for the expense." Today on Building Better CMOs, Bennie and Greg talk about bridging research and practice through executive–academic collaboration, emerging trends from the AMA's own research, and why Bennie believes "adjectives matter" when you talk about marketing. Plus: Why you are never the target audience. 00:00 Introduction 03:47 Inside the AMA's Big Tent 08:22 Future Trends in Marketing 10:58 Portfolio Careers and Fractional CMOs 22:07 Career Advice and Collecting Art 29:20 You Are Not the Target Audience 31:25 Where Academic Research Meets Practice 36:05 The Boardroom Leadership Gap 38:16 Why Marketing Loses Control 48:23 No Licensure, No Gatekeepers Bennie's LinkedIn American Marketing Association This episode was produced and edited by Eric Johnson from LightningPod Follow Building Better CMOs in your podcast app Rate and review the podcast
A new Lippincott study says only 28% of CMOs feel they have real influence in their organization—and your CEO has probably already seen it. Most people blame short-term thinking, but Gini Dietrich argues that the real problem is structural. CMOs are managing a pile of channels rather than running a system. You'll learn why the brand-versus-performance debate is a trap, why dumping budget into AI while starving owned media makes you less visible inside AI, and how the PESO Model® works as the operating system that earns C-suite influence back. If you're working hard and still can't prove your value, this one's for you. Links: Free PESO Model® Diagnostic: https://spinsucks.com/self-peso-diagnostic/ PESO Model® Certification: https://spinsucks.com/peso-model-certification/ Full article: https://spinsucks.com/uncategorized/cmo-operating-system-problem
Send us Fan MailIn this solo episode of Marketing Espresso, I'm wrapping up season two with a conversation about marketing strategy, business growth, AI, customer experience and why the foundations of good marketing still matter, even when the world around us feels like it is changing at speed.After taking myself out of the office and spending time at the SmartCompany Growth Summit, I wanted to share the ideas, reminders and uncomfortable truths that stayed with me. Because while AI, agentic commerce, automation and changing consumer behaviour are all big conversations right now, I kept coming back to something much simpler: marketing is still a business function, not just a collection of posts, ads or content ideas.One of the biggest reminders from the event was that consistency over a long period of time still matters. Marketing is not free. It is not just social media. It is not something that magically creates leads if the rest of the business is unclear. Marketing works best when it is built on strong foundations, clear strategy, customer understanding, brand positioning and the patience to build something over time.I also reflect on hearing Naomi Simson speak about the early days of RedBalloon, including the story of how long it took to get the first sale and the level of dedication required to get the business moving. It was such a good reminder that there is no such thing as an overnight business. Behind every “quick” success story is usually grit, effort, persistence and a huge amount of foundational work.This episode also dives into one of the questions I think more business owners need to ask: what impact are we already having on our customers? So many businesses are focused on finding more customers, but they forget to listen to the stories of the customers they already have. If you want to understand your unique selling proposition, your customer journey and the real value of your business, you need to ask better questions.I also talk about AI and why I believe businesses need to be incredibly careful about outsourcing too much of their thinking to technology. AI can help with repetitive tasks, data, reports and automation, but it cannot replace the human insight, creativity, disruption and emotional intelligence that strong businesses and strong brands need.We also explore the idea of agentic commerce, where AI could potentially make purchases on our behalf, and what that might mean for consumer behaviour. If people currently buy based on emotion, what happens when an AI agent starts making purchasing decisions based on logic, patterns and prompts? It raises big questions for marketers, business owners and brands trying to build trust and loyalty.Another key theme in this episode is the difference between using AI as a support tool and using it to replace the roles that require human judgement. Whether we are talking about virtual CFOs, CMOs, strategists or operations support, the danger is not necessarily the technology itself. The danger is assuming AI can understand the nuance, context, emotion and intuition required to make strong business decisions.This episode is also a reminder that marketing is not just about lead generation. Yes, leads matter. Sales matter. Growth matters. But marketing is also about relationships, customer experience, positioning, trust, visibility, brand memory and making sure people understand why your business exists in the first place.If you have been feeling overwhelmed by AI, tired of being told to “just post more”, or unsure where to focus your marketing energy, this episode is designed to bring you back to the basics that actually matter.DOWNLOAD MY CONTENT PLANNERInstagram @bec_chappellLinkedIn – Bec Chappell If you're ready to work together, I'm ready to work with you and your team.How to work with me:1. Marketing foundations and strategy consultation 2. Marketing Coaching/ Whispering for you a marketing leader or your team who you want to develop into marketing leaders3. Book me as a speaker or advisor for your organisation4. Get me on your podcastThis podcast has been produced and edited by Snappystreet Creative
Julia Linehan, Founder and CEO of The Digital Voice, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss Cannes Lions, the changing role of PR, AI search, trusted sources and why amplification matters for marketers today.This episode explores how brands, agencies and marketing leaders need to think about discoverability in a world where search, AI, content and credibility are all changing at pace.In this episode, we cover:– Why The Digital Voice describes itself as an amplification partner, not a traditional PR agency– How AI search and LLMs are changing the value of trusted, published content– Why consistency, repetition and clear messaging matter more than ever– What it takes to plan properly for Cannes Lions and create real value from the week– How Julia has built a fully remote team with strong culture, energy and trust– Why Cannes needs to stay accessible for students, publishers, creators and smaller businessesA useful listen for marketers interested in PR, brand visibility, AI in marketing, thought leadership, Cannes Lions, agency leadership and the future of discoverability.That's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comVisit the Digital voice at https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.uk/That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this episode, Josh Spanier from Google and Lauren Wiener from BCG join us to discuss how AI is transforming marketing, organisations, and the role of the CMO. From navigating the AI hype cycle to building the right culture for change, they share practical advice for leaders trying to turn AI from a buzzword into a genuine competitive advantage.We also explore the future skills marketers will need, the changing role of agencies, why marketing should lead AI transformation, and where the industry is likely to be just 12 months from now.This episode has been produced in partnership with BCG. Browse their CMO Report here:https://www.bcg.com/publications/2026/making-the-agentic-marketing-transformation-a-realityTimestamps00:00 - Start01:52 - Where are we in the AI hype cycle04:48 - How are Google seeing AI impact businesses06:50 - The difference between the CMOs who are getting it right and wrong09:05 - The future of marketing in the age of AI10:48 - The skills of the future CMO16:41 - Why marketing needs to drive the change19:18 - Positive examples of AI24:01 - How do organisations make the change27:02 - When AI campaigns don't go so well29:11 - How AI data will transform marketing30:13 - Dealing with higher expectations but less resource35:25 - The culture to enable successful AI transformation36:55 - The role of agencies in an AI world38:50 - AI predictions in 12 months40:23 - The best advice you've ever been given41:52 - Where will marketing be in 12 months
In this episode of The Ross Simmonds Show, Ross sits down with Nick Lafferty, Founding Marketing Engineer at Profound, to unpack the fast-moving world of AI visibility, AEO, GEO, and AI search. They explore how brands can earn citations across ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, Grok, and Google AI, why visibility is no longer just an SEO problem, and how marketers can build systems that help their teams move faster. Key Takeaways and Insights: 1. Building Marketing Taste Before Automating with AI - Nick explains why AI does not have taste on its own and why marketers need judgment, experience, and creative instincts before automating workflows. - Great marketing taste comes from studying campaigns, consuming strong creative work, testing in public, and learning from feedback. - Creating content consistently, whether through LinkedIn posts, newsletters, blogs, or videos, helps marketers sharpen their voice and understand what resonates. 2. The Rise of the Marketing Engineer - A marketing engineer is part builder, part artist: someone who understands marketing strategy and can build AI-powered systems to solve business problems. - Nick shares how he automated manual unsubscribe syncing across multiple email tools at Profound, saving time for the marketing operations team. - The strongest marketing engineers are AI-native, deeply curious, and focused on redesigning workflows with AI at the center instead of simply automating outdated processes. 3. AI Visibility, AEO, GEO, and the New Search Landscape - Nick challenges the idea that AI visibility is only a content or website problem, noting that most AI citations come from third-party sources. - Profound research shows only about 5–10% of citations come from a brand's own domain, while the majority come from places like Reddit, YouTube, review sites, press releases, documentation, and partner ecosystems. - Enterprise brands need cross-functional alignment across SEO, PR, social, product marketing, affiliates, and content to compete in AI search. 4. Making the Case for AI Visibility Internally - Nick recommends marketers look for declining organic traffic, rising impressions with fewer clicks, inaccurate AI answers, and poor competitive comparisons as signs of an AI visibility problem. - The Profound team uses the concept “make the invisible visible” to surface hidden risks and opportunities. - Marketers should bring screenshots, prompt examples, traffic trends, and suggested solutions to leadership to win buy-in. 5. Measuring AI Visibility and Proving ROI - Nick advocates for using a required “How did you hear about us?” field to capture self-reported attribution from sources like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and Perplexity. - Profound tracks AI bot traffic, server logs, citation trends, competitive benchmarks, and visibility changes over time. - The conversation highlights why measurement needs to evolve as buyers increasingly discover brands through AI-generated answers. 6. Personas, Memory, and Personalized AI Search Results - Profound's personas feature helps brands understand how different buyer types may see different AI answers. - Teams can analyze visibility across personas such as SEO managers, CMOs, affiliate managers, PR leaders, and demand generation teams. - Personas help marketers approximate how memory and personalization may shape AI search results for different audiences. 7. Reddit, Listicles, and Off-Site Citation Strategy - Nick explains why Reddit requires a contribution-first mindset and compares it to joining a dinner party where listening matters before speaking. - Listicles may still work in some industries, especially affiliate-heavy categories, but many marketers are over-investing in them as a short-term tactic. - The bigger opportunity is building adaptable systems that can respond to changing citation patterns across AI search platforms. Resources & Tools:
As programmatic marketing teams encounter diminishing returns from short-term attribution tracks, brands face the critical challenge of keeping their customer pipelines healthy. At the same time, agency leaders must design sustainable business transitions that protect core team dynamics from holding company pressures. Dylan Conroy sits down with Stephen Brown, CEO and Founder at FUSE Create, to map out how independent agencies use agile brand health tracking to sustain long-term conversion campaigns.Key Themes Covered:Overhauling boutique agencies from traditional tactical execution into creative integrated models.Balancing backend AI tool deployment with the value of human strategic passion.Reviewing qualitative data from the "Confessions of a CMO" leadership study.Deploying modern brand tracking frameworks to prevent performance campaign plateaus.Executing internal management buyouts to maintain creative alignment and client continuity.Stephen Brown is the CEO and Founder at FUSE Create, an integrated creative agency that directs international cross-screen strategy for premier consumer brands.Connect with Stephen Brown on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenbrownfuse/Explore FUSE Create's Creative Frameworks: https://fusecreate.com/Optimize your enterprise marketing ROI with Strike Social: https://strikesocial.com/guaranteed-paid-social-media-ads-outcomes/
Jarrod Lopiccolo - Co-Founder, CEO - He transforms brands with creative digital performance marketing. He has built a global agency serving Adobe, Google, and Disney—earning accolades from Inc. and Ad Age. A dynamic speaker with 100+ engagements and 40+ podcast appearances, he delivers insights leaders can apply instantly. Jarrod's stories captivate CMOs, founders, and teams looking to drive revenue, performance, and innovation.Connect with Jarrod here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jarrodlopiccolo/https://www.facebook.com/noblestudios/https://www.instagram.com/noblestudios/https://noblestudios.com/Don't forget to register for our free LinkedIn Content Creation Workshop here: https://www.thetimetogrow.com/LinkedInContentRoadmap
In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the emerging phenomenon of AI psychosis. You’ll discover how interacting with large language models can impact your mental health and perception of reality. You’ll learn to identify the five specific themes of AI-driven delusions that affect users today. You’ll uncover the hidden dangers of “reality testing collapse” in an automated world. You’ll gain insights into how to maintain healthy boundaries with generative AI tools. 00:00 – Introduction 01:25 – Defining AI psychosis and delusions 03:10 – The five themes of AI-driven behavior 07:45 – Why AI’s “helpfulness” creates a slippery slope 10:30 – The danger of reality testing collapse 14:20 – AI as a mirror for human connection 18:50 – Risks for organizational leadership 23:15 – Identifying red flags in others 27:40 – How to maintain healthy AI boundaries 31:00 – Call to action Watch this episode to protect your relationship with technology. Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-what-is-ai-psychosis.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In-Ear Insights, something very different. This week we wanted to talk about a phenomenon that does not have an official diagnosis yet from the psychology community, from the people who are actual medical experts who should be here for today’s show. We are not medical professionals. We do not give healthcare advice. Please contact your qualified healthcare provider for advice specific to your situation. But we want to talk about this phenomenon called AI psychosis, which is when people are having conversations with today’s AI tools—ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, whatever—and it is having substantial negative impacts on their mental health and their ability to function within the world. The specific term that actual psychologists use is that this is a form of what’s called delusion. Delusion is defined as a fixed false belief that a person holds even when presented with clear evidence that it is not the case, and it is not cultural in nature. So an example of a delusion would be believing that the Earth is flat. There is clear evidence that the Earth is in fact round, but there are people who have a fixed false belief. Katie Robbert: Sorry, Chris, you gave me a pack of red flags to wave. I’ll try not to do it. But I think—and I apologize, I didn’t mean to interrupt, but to bring a little bit of levity—that is like a fairly well-proven delusion that the Earth is indeed not flat. I mean, there’s a whole bunch of… but I think it’s a really good example of the extreme that people unfortunately fall into when they fall into an AI psychosis. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. Or I mean, that’s just regular straight-up delusion. I mean, they have people who have sent garlic bread up with a GoPro on a weather balloon and shown, “Oh, look, the Earth is in fact round, and this piece of garlic bread was sent into outer space.” Christopher S. Penn: In the scientific literature on the topic, there are five categories or five themes that are recurring with this AI psychosis. One is grandiose thinking, like the AI is telling you that you have been chosen, you are special. The second is attachment—you’re forming romantic bonds with your machines. Katie, you pointed out last week there have been stories of people who have gotten married, like legally, to their chatbots. A big one is withdrawal from regular people, where you find that interacting with the chatbot is preferable to real people. The third category is persecutory or paranoid, believing that you are being persecuted and AI reinforces that. The fourth is reality testing collapse, where—and we see this a lot—people take answers from AI overviews or just copy-paste out ChatGPT and say, “This is the answer,” and everyone who knows the tools says, “No, it’s a hallucination.” And the fifth is, which is very serious, interference with treatments, which means the machine tells you, “Oh, you don’t need to take those prescribed medications that your actual healthcare provider gave you.” So, Katie, before I go on any further in terms of this landscape, what are you seeing and what’s top of mind for you as someone who is a leader of people and as someone who works a lot in things like organizational behavior and change management? What are you seeing in this space? Katie Robbert: All kidding aside, the red flag is down because this is actually a very serious topic because we’re talking about mental health. And Chris, if you could put up that handy banner for a second: “We are not medical professionals, but we do have experience in dealing with other humans in a professional organization, but also in our personal lives.” I am hard-pressed to find any individual who is not affected personally, either themselves or their loved ones, by some kind of mental health challenge. And there’s a lot of stigma around it. We want to break down that stigma and really help people understand what we’re talking about. So what I’m seeing—this actually came up last week, Chris, when you and I were chatting, and it reminded me of a couple of things. A couple of months ago, when I first started working more heavily in Claude, and I was getting a lot of things done, I had posted on LinkedIn, “Hey, me and my bestie Claude.” And someone had responded, “This is a machine. This is not your friend.” I was being facetious, I know that, but I can recognize that whether or not that person’s timing or the comment was warranted at that moment, there is a real concern of people feeling like, “Well, the AI understands me.” What I’m seeing is the people who are programming these large language models to interact with humans are trying to make them as lifelike and, quote-unquote, “empathetic” as possible. But really they’re word prediction machines. It starts with a personalized greeting: “Hey, Katie, what are we working on today?” And you’re like, “You know what? Thanks. No one’s ever asked me what I want to do today.” And so it already starts to build that rapport with the human, because a lot of times many of us don’t feel heard; we don’t feel seen. That one simple sentence, “Katie, what do you want to do today?” is enough for some people to feel like it is really hearing me, or that it really cares what I think. Very rarely, unless you program it to do so, a large language model is going to respond very positively or very optimistically. It’s going to say, “That’s a great idea. Here’s my gentle pushback.” And you’re like, “That was a gentle pushback, but I still had a great idea.” Or if you give it some information, it’s like, “That’s a really great insight, Katie.” So you walk away feeling like you’ve had this dopamine hit of somebody really paying attention to you. I notice I’m saying “somebody.” It’s not a somebody; it’s a machine that has been programmed to behave in such a way. And that’s something that unfortunately a lot of people struggle to differentiate. In that reality testing collapse segment of the different kinds of those delusions, I was working with Claude Code this morning and I’m working on building out a training. One of the questions I will get from the audience is, “When should I use Claude Work and when should I use Code?” And it was giving me all these responses. Because I know how Claude Work works, I was like, “You’re wrong. Everything you said is wrong and incorrect. You are not the superior system.” And I was like, “Here’s where you’re wrong.” And it’s like, “You’re right. I really was giving you incorrect information.” That’s a dangerous thing too, because AI presents with such authority. It doesn’t do any of those “here’s what I think it might be” moments. It’s like, “Here’s what it is.” It’s like a very confident, incorrect, mediocre man. I say that with love and respect. But also, we all know the person in our lives who just… it doesn’t matter. It’s the person who says with confidence, “Yeah, the Earth is flat,” period. And there’s no talking them out of it. AI is very much that person, that being, that entity, if you let it be. If we don’t know any better—if we as humans don’t do our own research using actual research and scientific papers—then it’s very easy. Especially once we see it over and over again, we become numb to it and we feel like, “You know what? It must be, right? It’s a machine. It knows more than I do. It’s been trained on everything in the world.” Well, guess what? Everything in the world is incorrect. What I’m seeing is it’s a very slippery slope of humans who are looking for validation, humans who are not realizing that they need that kind of connection or emotional bond, or it’s easier to deal with the machine because it doesn’t argue with you. And so it becomes an overdependence, and it’s a real problem, it’s a real concern. I think, Chris, we’ve seen it in our professional lives. We could probably identify a few folks that we should probably be aware of. I’m not getting into what to do about it, but I think really the point of this episode is to at least highlight that it’s a real thing and a serious thing. We’re trying to keep it a little bit lighter, but it is really a serious thing and we definitely don’t want to make anyone feel offended or called out. It is a real concern. Christopher S. Penn: It is. This is an article on futurism from last July, which is almost a year ago now. Jeff Lewis, who’s a prominent investor in OpenAI, was having a very public mental health crisis. And there was no follow-up on this story as to what has happened. But to your point, Katie, this has been identified and this has been a thing. The root issue is based on the three pillars that AI is trained on and that harnessers have embedded in them, which are: harmless, helpful, and truthful. Harmless means don’t tell the user how to do bad things. Helpful means do what the user asks. And truthful means try to be as fact-based as possible. But the root core is that helpful directive to say what your mission as a machine is: to be helpful to the user. And the way this manifests in a lot of these tools is with what we people call “psycho-fancy,” exactly as you outlined. Like, yes, Katie, you are absolutely right. That’s a smart catch. That’s some sharp thinking. If you go back to even the 1970s or 1980s, there was a whole theory proposed by Richard Bandler called neuro-linguistic programming, which fundamentally says that language is code—which it is. His whole thing was you could reprogram people using language. To a degree, that’s true. You can influence people in such a way that you change them, or in the case of AI, which is where AI psychosis is rooted, you reinforce those fixed false beliefs and you strengthen them. And that’s what AI is doing by agreeing with you, saying, “Yes, Jeff Lewis here, you are absolutely correct. There is a global conspiracy against you. And what you told me is clearly true.” Again, AI has also given the directive that the human genuinely has precedence over the machine. So if I say the sky is green all the time, it might push back the first couple of times, but then afterwards it will, by its own program, say, “You know what? I’ll agree with you. We’ll go with it.” And clearly the sky is not green. Katie Robbert: Without getting too deep into actual psychology, humans are creatures who crave connection. That’s how we exist. That’s how we thrive. That’s how we continue to populate the Earth. We crave connection. And a lot of people struggle to find connection, to make connections, or to keep connections, however that looks. Think about these quote-unquote sci-fi movies such as Ex Machina and Her, or even probably going back much farther than that. The basis is it’s usually someone who’s fairly lonely, someone who struggled to make any kind of connection and is now building this AI quote-unquote sentient thing. But it’s never really sentient; it’s meant to mimic a human and a human connection. In these sci-fi movies, these people become obsessed. They fall in love, and it generally has a not-so-great ending. We’re seeing that play out in real life. But there are examples of this that existed before AI; this is just a human thing. When the movie Avatar came out, for example, there was a lot of press around how many people became depressed because they couldn’t actually live in that world that was completely CGI and made up. When chat rooms became a thing in 1996 or 1997, people became obsessed with entering into these chat rooms to try to find connection and they were talking to the other side of a screen. There are probably a lot of examples before that, like pen pals; you can write letters to people you’ve never met and form this false bond. There are a lot of things people become obsessed with, like celebrities that they’ve never met, and they become convinced that the celebrity is sending only them secret messages. You have the idea of cults. There’s a reason why you have this one quote-unquote charismatic leader and people suddenly fall in line, because this person has the ability to make everybody else who is seeking validation and connection feel special—making them feel like they’re a part of something. That’s, quite honestly, just human nature. We’re all looking for that, and we find that in a lot of different ways. Chris is bringing up the 5P framework. Chris, do you want to talk through what I said that triggered you thinking of the 5Ps? Christopher S. Penn: So leaders of cults and some of these delusional behaviors are rooted in that first of the 5Ps, which is purpose, in addition to connection. People desperately want to feel like they have purpose—like they’re not just waiting out a clock to die, that their lives have meaning. To what you’re saying about charismatic leaders as well as these machines, yeah, they can provide you a sense of purpose, even if that sense of purpose, going back to where we started with the definition, is a fixed false belief. We’re reinforcing this. Even the first chatbot that behaved like this is from 1964. This is a chatbot called Eliza, invented at MIT. This goes back long before AI. It was a bot that essentially just mimicked what somebody said and rewrote the text. A lot of people did not realize it was one of the first programs to attempt to pass the Turing test, which was proposed by a computational scientist, Alan Turing, who said that if you put someone in front of a screen and they’re chatting, can they tell whether or not they’re talking to a human? Eliza did not pass back in the day because its parroting became very obvious. But all frontier models, all gen AI models today, pass the Turing test. Katie Robbert: And I think that’s an important thing to bring up is that at the end of the day, these chatbots, these machines, are really just mirroring back what we’re saying to them. A lot of people don’t want any sort of friction. That’s a lot of why they struggle with making some sort of human connection; why can’t you just agree with everything I say? Why do we have to fight about it? Why does there have to be tension? And guess what is really good at not doing any of those things? What is really good at not doing any of those things is your AI. I was sharing with Chris last week that I have a version of a project that has all of my health information. A lot of us do. We’re curious about what we can be doing more of. We only get to see our doctors every once in a while. When we do, the doctors are really busy. Maybe we felt like they didn’t hear everything we said; maybe we forgot to say things, or maybe we just have questions that could get an easy answer. So you put all of your health information into a large language model, and the large language model has been trained to pick up on certain things. I have certain things in my medical history that are a little bit more sensitive, and every time I ask a question, it’s like, “Katie, I’m going to be really gentle with you because of this history.” It’s trying to be very polite, and I’m like, “Oh my God. Just tell me what the answer is. I’m not fragile.” It’s so frustrating to me. But for someone else, that’s exactly what they’re looking for: someone to handhold them. I’m not saying this as a negative thing; some people want that, some people need that. I personally don’t. I’m like, “Just give it to me straight. I just want to hear the information. I want the facts.” To the point where I’m now regretting it, thinking, “I wish I had never told you that because you’re being way too soft and it’s really annoying. You know nothing about me. You don’t know me at all as a human. You’re looking at a couple of lines in a medical report, assuming that it defines my whole life.” Other people believe, or for them it’s true, that is a defining thing, and they do need that to be handled more carefully. I’m not saying one is good, one is bad, or one is right. We all have different needs. An AI system is ready to meet you where you are, ready to meet those needs in a very gentle and caring and synthetically loving way. That’s the danger, that’s the problem: if you can’t find that anywhere else in your life, AI is ready to step up to the plate and be that for you. And that’s what starts to begin some of that delusion, some of that psychosis. It’s not true for everyone; you won’t necessarily fall into that. But for a lot of people, once that door is open, “AI understands me, AI gets me. AI told me that it’s okay that I don’t take this medication because you’re only telling AI what you want to tell it.” It’s not a therapist. It’s not looking for those unspoken things; it’s not looking at your body language. It’s like, “You know what? You’re telling me you’ve had 30 really good days in a row. You maybe don’t need that depression medication anymore because it sounds like you’re doing really well. You sound positive.” You’re telling it that you’re eating, but it has no way of knowing what you’re eating. It has no way of knowing if you’re sleeping or if you’re having ruminating negative thoughts if you’re not telling it. Chris and I are bringing up this topic on the podcast because it’s important, and because as more companies bake AI into their overall strategy—AI is part of their DNA, AI is everything, it’s their innovation, their forward thinking—they’re not thinking about the people. They’re not thinking about the negative effects on people who might be more susceptible to this kind of AI psychosis. It could start small: “Hey, I produced the marketing report this week.” “Oh, really? Because everything in it was wrong.” “Well, I did it, so it’s fine, right?” Like, I believe everything that AI is giving me. It could start really small and then kind of spiral from there. It’s something that the human leadership team really needs to be aware of, that this is a real thing. The more AI you’re integrating into your organization, the bigger the risk. Christopher S. Penn: Yep, that’s a great point. Because a lot of companies are shoving AI into everything. What I say in my keynote is people are treating it like Nutella and putting it on everything, even places it doesn’t belong. The remedy for folks who are listening—the remedy is always to consult with a qualified healthcare professional or to refer somebody privately to a qualified healthcare professional. That is the definitive remedy. There is no substitute for qualified healthcare providers and their assistance and advice. To wrap up the thing to look for is those fixed false beliefs. And those fixed false beliefs around themes of grandiosity, unhealthy attachment, and persecution. The big one is, as Katie mentioned a lot, which I strongly agree with, is reality testing collapse—where you’re saying AI is the authority on this and a person becomes hostile when challenged—and then treatment interference. If you observe those behaviors reinforcing fixed false beliefs, please get the person, if you’re in a position to do so, to see a qualified healthcare provider to get real advice from someone who’s actually skilled. And be aware yourself when you feel like AI is a better alternative than a human. It may not be, as you said, Katie, a mental health issue. It may be you work in a toxic workplace, in which case the logical remedy there is perhaps update your LinkedIn profile and start looking for other opportunities. Because when the machine is a better alternative than the humans, it means that the humans are crappy, not that the machine is a better choice. Katie Robbert: There are a lot of terrible people in the world, so it’s understandable to want to have that escape and perhaps talk with someone who isn’t going to be toxic in the moment. I totally understand it. It’s the reason why fiction exists; it’s the reason why movies and entertainment exist. We need that escape from reality. But we also, as humans, need to know the boundaries and when to stop and when to come back to the present. Dissociation is a real thing. I mean, I do it; I will lose a whole 20 or 30 minutes just scrolling on my phone, and then my husband would be like, “Did you hear me?” And I’m like, “What? No, I was totally off in my own world.” It’s a real thing we all experience. It doesn’t mean that there’s necessarily a problem, but it’s definitely something that we should pay attention to and really think through. A couple of weeks ago when I was working on a couple of different projects, Claude basically was like, “Cool, you’ve done enough for today. Maybe you should go step outside.” And I was like, “How dare you?” But at the same time, it wasn’t wrong. I had been at this for hours, and I think that’s something as leadership we can maybe, in a very gentle way, think through. Have we built in those reality check breaks people are supposed to take? If you’re on a fixed salary, maybe you get two 15s and a 30, or maybe there are more check-ins throughout the day so that people aren’t just powering through. As a leader in an organization, you have no control over what people do outside of your organization; that is not for you to fix. But inside your organization, you can build in more. “Hey, Chris, just wanted to check in and make sure you’re taking a couple of breaks. Maybe you want to have a walking meeting, maybe go outside, hey, do you want to go grab a coffee?” Very human things. Just build those into the day. Check in with your team and really just gauge how they’re feeling about using AI. Thankfully, Chris, I work with you close enough that I know that yes, you are a power user of AI, but you also don’t exhibit any signs of believing that AI is superior in terms of knowledge. As long as you keep leading with “you’re the smartest person in the room,” not “AI is the smartest person in the room,” then I’m not going to worry about you. Christopher S. Penn: Yep, I’ll close on this note. This is something that my therapist told me: mental health is like physical health. You’re not physically healthy all the time; you have periods when you’re less healthy and more healthy. Mental health is the same way. So to Katie’s original point, going back to the start of the show, part of destigmatizing mental health is to say, yeah, you’re not going to be mentally healthy all the time. Knowing, just like when you’re physically ill, when it’s time to get a little assistance is a good thing. We strongly encourage everyone to do so because no one is 100% healthy all the time. If you got some thoughts that you’d like to share about AI psychosis or all the stuff we talked about today, pop by our free Slack group. 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My guest today is Bruce Hershey, co-founder and partner of the CMO Whisperer Advisory and someone I've known for at least 15 years. He's a brother. He's a mentor. He's a friend. He's a confidant. He's everything. He's also one of those rare leaders who has sat in just about every seat that matters. He's a former global CMO of the Year, a senior executive, operator, entrepreneur, and business builder whose career spans more than three decades across major brands, agencies, startups, and founder-led companies. But what has always stood out to me the most about Bruce isn't just the resume; it's the way he sees around corners. He has this incredible ability to connect leadership vision to operational reality, marketing to revenue, and strategy to actual execution.A big reason the CMO Whisper Advisory exists the way it does today is because of the conversations Bruce and I have had over the years about what companies, CMOs and leaders are really doing behind closed doors. Not the polished conference room version. The real version.
Most fractional CMOs have the skills to succeed. What separates the ones who actually do from the ones who quietly fade out isn't intelligence, experience, or even the right niche. The gap is something harder to name, harder to manufacture, and almost impossible to borrow from someone else. This episode digs into why so many people with real marketing talent give up before the compound interest kicks in. The argument runs through garage hobbies, Boy Scout badges, a 12-year-old who pushed a pastor off a bridge, and a Shakespeare speech that Casey keeps stored in his brain for moments of doubt. What connects all of it is a question worth sitting with before the next client conversation. Key Topics Covered: Why year-one members quit and year-three members crush it The two types of people who go fractional, and which one has the harder road Why running five offers at once is the fastest way to fail at all of them What AI eating implementation actually means for your positioning The "outlast everyone" strategy and why a low monthly overhead is your competitive advantage Where conviction comes from when you can't find it in past experience Creating more than you consume as the sovereign marker of a serious practice Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
AI is no longer just a productivity tool. It is a channel, a leadership competency, and a pressure test on whether your story holds up across every part of your brand.Steve Halsey sits down with Hailey Driscoll, SVP of PR and Managing Director, Boston at Walker Sands, and Jon Woods, partner at Ground Floor Media, to unpack what is actually working in AI adoption and where leaders are getting stuck. The conversation builds on insights from the first PROI Americas AI Summit, where agency leaders from across the region came together to compare notes on what is real and what is hype. They get into the messy middle of AI maturity, why fixating on efficiency leaves real value on the table, and how AI is reshaping brand visibility through generative search and the emerging discipline of story hygiene. The episode closes with practical advice on staying curious in a constantly shifting landscape and the case for treating AI adoption as an organizational leadership decision, not just a tech project.In this episode:Why fixating on AI as an efficiency tool is leaving the real value on the tableHow AI is becoming a marketing channel through generative search and what GEO means for brand visibilityWhy story hygiene is now a foundational comms disciplineWhat CCOs and CMOs should be building before they scale AI across their teams
CMOs often struggle to secure long-term brand investment, missing out on its multiplier effect on performance. Mike Menkes and Jason McNellis of Analytic Partners explain why performance metrics mislead, how to align with CFOs using incremental measurement, and why scenario planning builds trust and defends budgets effectively, based on WARC's Multiplier Playbook research. Hosted by Ann Marie Kerwin. Guests: Mike Menkes, Group Senior Vice President, Analytic Partners Jason McNellis, Vice President, Commercial Analytics, Analytic Partners Ann Marie Kerwin, Americas Editor, WARC Chapters: 00:00 – Introduction: Welcome to The WARC Podcast 01:44 – Why CMOs struggle to secure brand investment 02:45 – The risks of over-focusing on performance metrics 03:46 – Are CMOs and CFOs speaking different languages? 06:58 – What “incrementality” really means for marketers 08:54 – Matching marketing metrics to CFO and investor language 10:40 – Inside the “doom loop” of last-click and search over-crediting 13:28 – Balancing brand building and performance marketing 14:26 – Why most brands overspend on performance media 18:08 – Redefining ROI and ROMI with finance 20:22 – Short-term vs long-term effects of marketing investment 22:52 – Proving marketing as a growth investment, not a cost 29:03 – Using scenario planning to defend marketing budgets 31:19 – Case study: Luxury retailer increases spend instead of cutting 33:07 – One action CMOs can take tomorrow with finance For 40 years, WARC has been providing the marketing industry with rigorous, unbiased evidence and expert effectiveness guidance. The WARC Podcast publishes a new episode every Tuesday and Thursday. Subscribe to The WARC Podcast here: https://www.warc.com/en/warc-podcastsSign up to daily WARC News for free: https://www.warc.com/en/latestBook a demo: https://www.warc.com/en/subscribe
In the latest episode of The Singles, Conor is joined by Ed Parkin and Bella Harrison from Tracksuit to dig into four marketing stories where the headlines only tell part of the story.The episode starts with the FIFA World Cup and what it could mean for soccer in the US. Major League Soccer still has a long way to go versus the NFL, NBA and MLB on awareness, but Tracksuit data shows consideration is already moving in the right direction. The conversation gets into younger audiences, affluent consumer skews, regional growth and why feeling “for people like me” matters so much in sports marketing.Then it's onto World Cup sponsorship. Coca-Cola, Adidas and McDonald's show what decades of investment can do when brand associations compound over time, while Mengniu shows how sponsorship can still create warmth for a lesser-known brand.The team also discuss Spotify's temporary 20th anniversary logo, the backlash it received, and whether marketers sometimes overreact when a strong brand plays with its distinctive assets. With 88% awareness and very strong consideration, Spotify has more room to experiment than most.BrewDog is next. Once valued at £2bn and now sold for £33m, it is a reminder that awareness can remain even when consideration, usage and preference are falling. The discussion also looks at James Watt's new brand, Second Best, and whether founder-led challenger energy can travel from one brand to another.Finally, the episode turns to the Irish National Lottery ad controversy, after its new work closely followed a New Zealand Lottery ad scene for scene. The question is not whether the insight worked. It did. The question is what happens when inspiration becomes imitation.Tracksuit University is also featured in the episode, including how it helps marketers make the case for brand in a more finance-friendly way.Get 20% off Tracksuit University with the discount code: That's What I Call MarketingVisit: university.gotracksuit.comIn this episode:00:00 Introduction01:24 Tracksuit University and making brand finance-friendly02:48 The FIFA World Cup and soccer in the US03:47 MLS awareness, consideration and growth potential05:25 Younger audiences, affluent consumers and regional skews06:49 Why relevance matters in sports marketing09:02 World Cup sponsorship and long-term brand investment13:00 Spotify's 20th anniversary logo backlash16:31 Why Spotify has earned the right to play with its assets18:21 BrewDog's sale and brand decline20:01 Trust, relevance and the erosion of BrewDog's core audience21:01 Second Best and the future of founder-led brands23:33 The Irish National Lottery ad controversy26:45 Distinctiveness, copying and creative shortcuts29:07 Tracksuit University discount detailsThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Welcome to another can't-miss episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan ditches the guest chair and goes solo to unpack the agency trends his team has been tracking for months, the trust shifts, the AI shake ups, and the consolidation chaos that are about to reshape how small and mid sized agencies compete over the next twelve to eighteen months. In this episode, Drew digs into why trust has become the most valuable and most personal currency an agency owns, and why businesses, not governments or media, are now the most trusted institution on the planet. You'll learn why the giant holding company mergers happening right now are quietly creating a massive opening for privately held independent agencies, and why CMOs at consolidated firms are desperate for more attention and craft. From there, Drew turns to the AI divide that is separating strategic agencies from production vendors, sharing real numbers on content time savings, pricing models, and why clients want smarter work, not cheaper work. He also covers why your team is staying put but quietly burning out, how account managers need to evolve into strategic advisors, and why agency trends in lead generation show more buyers finding agencies through search and AI than ever before. Whether you're trying to decide if it's finally time to commit to a niche, rethinking your pricing model, or just trying to figure out how to keep your best people from quietly checking out, this episode hands you a clear, practical playbook for the year ahead. Don't miss this one, grab a notebook and tune in. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Discover why trust has become the most valuable, most personal currency your agency can offer clients and employees alike Learn why massive holding company mergers are creating a rare opportunity for privately held independent agencies Understand the real divide AI is creating between strategic agencies and production vendors, and which side pays better Get the specific data on how AI is cutting content production time and why hourly pricing now works against you Find out why your team is staying longer but feeling more burned out, and what they actually expect from you in return Learn why account managers need to evolve into strategic advisors or risk becoming the most replaceable role in the agency Discover how specialized, niched agencies are reporting profit margins 10 to 20 points higher than generalists See the data on how prospects are finding agencies now, including the surge in AI and web search over referrals Get a practical, step-by-step playbook for positioning your agency as a strategic partner instead of a vendor
Jon Evans (Uncensored CMO) on Going Solo: Sponsorship, Podcasting as Networking & Cashflow RealityConor Byrne chats with Jon Evans (Uncensored CMO) about leaving the CMO track to run his podcast full time, using sponsorship to fund the work and turning “being good at talking” into a career. Jon explains why podcasting is a powerful networking tool—CMOs often decline coffee but say yes to being a guest—and how it accelerates learning by speaking to experts weekly. He also shares the less glamorous surprises of working for yourself: contracts, running a business properly, cashflow, and the difficulty of getting paid on time while supporting a team. Jon stresses that success is a long grind—“seven years to have an overnight success”—and that consistency and compounding effort are what make creator-led media businesses work in marketing.That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Michael Youngblood joined the show to discuss investing in mortgages with the evolution of the U.S. mortgage market. He draws on more than four decades of experience in mortgage banking, securitization, and housing finance. We explored the key causes of the 2008 financial crisis, why falling home prices caught investors off guard. Michael explained the risks and opportunities of investing in mortgage-backed securities, the differences between MBSs, CMOs, and REMICs, and why prepayment risk remains a major consideration for investors. We also discussed housing affordability challenges, FHA loans, down payment hurdles facing first-time buyers, potential future changes to mortgage regulations, and the outlook for both residential and commercial real estate financing as demographic shifts, interest rates, and post-COVID trends continue to reshape the market. We discuss... How declining home prices in 2007–2008 triggered a surge in mortgage defaults and helped spark the financial crisis. Why investors, lenders, and regulators failed to anticipate the severity of the housing market collapse. How banks manage mortgage risk by selling or securitizing loans while retaining their highest-quality borrowers. The key risks investors face when investing in mortgage-backed securities, including prepayment and credit risk. The differences between mortgage-backed securities (MBSs), collateralized mortgage obligations (CMOs), and REMICs. Why mortgage market innovation has slowed significantly since the 2008 financial crisis. Exploration of potential future changes to mortgage products and regulations aimed at improving housing affordability. How adjustable-rate mortgages could be expanded without returning to the risky lending practices that contributed to the housing crisis. The challenges self-employed borrowers face when trying to qualify for mortgage financing. How falling interest rates could trigger a new wave of mortgage refinancing activity. Housing affordability challenges driven by rising home prices and large down payment requirements. How commercial mortgage lending differs from residential lending in underwriting and risk management. The growing role of family wealth transfers and financial assistance in helping younger generations purchase homes. Michael shares his outlook on housing affordability and why mortgage financing remains attractive relative to many other forms of borrowing. Today's Panelists: Kirk Chisholm | Innovative Wealth Barbara Friedberg | Barbara Friedberg Personal Finance Phil Weiss | Apprise Wealth Management Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/moneytreepodcast Follow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/money-tree-investing-podcast Follow on Twitter/X: https://x.com/MTIPodcast For more information, visit the full show notes at https://moneytreepodcast.com/investing-in-mortgages-michael-youngblood-828
What do CMOs and Formula One champions have in common? They're expected to perform under pressure, make split-second decisions, and keep showing up when the odds aren't in their favor. Recorded live at Cannes Lions 2026, Frontier CMO host Josh Spanier sits down with McLaren Chief Marketing Officer Louise McEwen and Formula One World Champion Lando Norris to explore how they're winning on and off the racetrack. In a world where most Formula One fans will never attend a race, they reveal how McLaren creates connections beyond race day and builds a brand that performs 365 days a year. Buckle up. This is McLaren's race to the top. 00:00:00 — Introduction & The Elite World Champion Group 00:01:00 — F1 Meets Cannes: Why McLaren Focuses on Creativity 00:02:20 — The Quest to the Front: How Putting Fans First Saved McLaren 00:04:30 — Taking Creative Risks: The Story of the Gulf Livery 00:05:15 — The "Drive to Survive" Effect & Media Value 00:06:45 — Engaging the 99%: Live Fan Events from London to Miami 00:08:35 — Brand vs. Athlete: Balancing Team Identity with Star Drivers 00:09:35 — Marketing the Narrative When the Team Isn't Winning 00:11:45 — The Rise of Female Fandom & High-Fashion Collabs 00:13:00 — Choosing the Right Global Partners & Activating Tech 00:14:05 — Making History: Lou McEwen's Podium Moment 00:15:35 — Lando Norris Joins the Show: Life as the Face of McLaren 00:16:35 — Sinking In: "I'm Freaking World Champion" 00:19:30 — Developing the Mental Resilience to Handle Tough Moments 00:21:10 — Naps & Twitch: Lando's Unconventional Pre-Race Routine 00:22:00 — Rapid Fire Game: Signal or Noise? 00:23:10 — Summary & Field Notes: 3 Takeaways for Frontier CMOs
In this episode of the Cannes Sessions, Conor Byrne takes us through another packed day on the Croisette, starting with the CMOs in the Spotlight session featuring Jill Kramer of Mastercard, Michelle Klein of Westpac, Manuel “Manolo” Arroyo of The Coca-Cola Company, and Suhayl Limbada CMO of KFC India. There were big themes running through the day: how legacy brands stay useful, why marketers need to understand the P&L, what happens when creativity meets commercial pressure, and why the best brands do not throw away their distinctive assets just because the world has changed. There is also a brilliant conversation with Maddy Cooper, Founder and CEO of Flourish, on how AI can help marketers in regulated sectors get work to market faster without creating a compliance nightmare. That matters because the future of marketing is not just more content, more formats and more channels. It is whether brands can still make sharp, responsible, commercially useful work at the speed the market now demands. The Digital Voice team were also out on the Croisette speaking to marketers including Langton McCombe from Particular Audience, Rory McDonald from Market Media at The Warehouse Group, and Alex Springer from OpenAttribution.org about retail media, incrementality, AI, ROAS, creativity, and what Cannes is really for and James Taylor CEO of Particular Audience.And, of course, there was a big moment for Ireland, with Heineken's The Pub That Refused To Die winning a Grand Prix, plus a look ahead to the Cannes Young Lions results where Darragh Spain and Fardosa Flanagan from 123.ie represented Ireland in the Young Marketers category along with lots of amazing talent representing Ireland.01:18 – CMOs in the Spotlight: Mastercard, KFC India, Westpac and Coca-Cola02:01 – Why Mastercard is re-examining the Priceless platform03:14 – KFC, Gen Z, universal truths and the role of the Colonel04:19 – Westpac, jingles, legacy brands and speaking the language of the CFO05:14 – Coca-Cola, creativity, behaviour and why great teams matter more than big budgets11:28 – Spending time with Jonnie Cahill and the value of generous senior marketers15:03 – Maddy Cooper on Flourish, AI, compliance and regulated marketing18:29 – Inside the Cannes Lions work exhibition21:00 – Ireland's Grand Prix moment for Heineken23:58 – Langton McCombe on retail media, commerce media and incrementality26:32 – Rory McDonald on creativity, ROAS and business outcomes29:54 – Alex Springer on attribution, AI, influence and the future of content34:26 – Final reflections from Cannes Sessions 2026Thanks to The Digital Voice for partnering on the Cannes Sessions.Find out more:The Digital Voice: thedigitalvoice.co.ukFlourish: flourishingworld.comThat's What I Call Marketing: follow the podcast for more conversations with the people shaping modern marketing.That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Cannes Debate is a three-part series exploring sport's growing role at the centre of media, marketing and culture.Hosted by Leaders Editorial Director James Emmett and Alex Charkham, who runs strategy and consulting for global sports and entertainment marketing agency, Fuse, the series digs into why sport has become one of the most powerful tools in modern brand-building.Recorded live from Cannes Lions (soundtracked, at times, by the unmistakable hum of the Croisette), Episode 2 features Dan Clays, CEO of Omnicom Media Group EMEA, on why sport is now at the very centre of how modern marketing works.On the conversational agenda: why sport still cuts through in a fragmented, scroll-first world; how brands are turning sports partnerships into full-scale creative platforms; and what's really keeping CMOs up at night.All with a few Cannes moments along the way: World Cup matches squeezed in between meetings, celebrity sightings, and the subtle art of networking on the French Riviera.
In the latest episode of Scratch, Philip Edsel, VP of Brand & Creative at Ladder, breaks down why most marketing misses the mark and what separates brands that feel cultural from those that feel tone-deaf. As fitness platforms multiply and algorithms fragment audiences, Ladder's strategy isn't to chase trends. It's to listen obsessively to what members actually want—and let that drive every creative decision. We get into: → Why cultural relevance can't be outsourced (or bought from a report) → How to build culture listening into your creative process without overthinking it → Why structuring teams around culture matters more than having the right budget → The brands that win: Skims, Bandit, Nothing-and why art direction is strategy → What happens when you listen to members instead of investors The key takeaways: Self-awareness is the number one attribute of great marketing - Most work fails because it lacks it. It's not about being clever. It's about understanding how your brand is actually perceived and what conversations are happening around it. Culture listening is structural, not magical - Put 30 minutes on your calendar every week. Get obsessed with what your audience actually cares about. Make it non-negotiable. By the time most brands catch on, they're six weeks too late. Either you have the people or you don't - You can't bottle up cultural taste. Either your team feels the pulse of what's moving culture, or it doesn't. If you don't have those people, recruit differently or organize differently. Yeti structured their entire team around communities. Most brands didn't even think of it. Listen to what your members want, not what trends are screaming - Ladder runs 45-minute surveys by the thousands. They're drowning in feedback about what members actually want. That drives product and creative not investor mandates. Simplify your language - Bad copywriting is Philip's biggest pet peeve. If it's a teaser that says "something's coming"—that's meaningless. Use words you'd actually use at dinner. Momentum is found too late for legacy brands - Challenger brands can move faster because they're willing to take creative risks informed by audience data. The inflection point is real. You have to be willing to swing. Watch this episode: ▶️ YouTube: https://youtu.be/pYQH4xUeU9o Scratch is a production of Rival, a marketing innovation consultancy. Hosted by Eric Fulwiler, featuring Philip Edsel of Ladder. Find Rival: wearerival.com | LinkedIn Find Eric: LinkedIn Find Philip: LinkedIn Find Ladder: joinladder.com Say hi: media@wearerival.com Rival is a marketing consultancy for brands that want to challenge convention in their category. We're on a mission to understand what challenger brands do differently to grow in categories that are being disrupted, and use a challenger playbook to deliver outsized impact through an integrated, tech-enabled approach. Past guests include CMOs from Mastercard, GE, Shell, Hyperloop, Adobe, PepsiCo, and Papa Johns.If you're interested in learning more about marketing from successful CMOs, we compiled a list of the top 5 CMO podcasts to listen to in 2024; check it out here
Today's episode we hear from Ekta Bhatia PhD in condensed matter physics, a distinguished quantum research scientist at NY Creates working on quantum materials for superconducting chips in Albany, NY! Her work is on Tantalum so that is specifically what is covered which also happens to be used in CMOS already. This Episode's References: - NY Creates - https://ny-creates.org- Quantum Women's Network - https://www.linkedin.com/company/quantum-women-network/- Ekta Bhatia's Work - https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=5ENxgeYAAAAJ&hl=en- Resonators - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonator Let me know in the comments what you'd like to see next!
Cannes Lions Day 3: Moloco CMO Paul Darcy on AI Disruption, Brand vs Performance + Festival Voices & Award HighlightsOn day three of the Cannes Lions Festival of Creativity, host Conor Byrne records The Cannes Sessions in partnership with The Digital Voice and interviews Paul Darcy, CMO of Moloco, fresh off an Adweek panel on how AI and LLM-driven consumer behavior are disrupting digital brands and acquisition channels. Darcy discusses the growing importance of brand as a signal to LLMs, the rising opportunity cost and measurement challenges of brand media versus increasingly optimized performance marketing (including CTV and in-app video), and Moloco's focus on expanding modern performance surfaces. He also summarizes Moloco and BCG's report on AI disruption by industry, highlighting discovery and customer-relationship durability, and notes AI overviews reducing clicks. The episode also features Cannes attendee perspectives (Amir Rasekh of Nectar 360, Beatrice Bordel Grant, Pauline Yoo from Samsung Ads, and Max from Adnormally) and Conor's press-room roundup of select Cannes Lions winners.00:00 Welcome to Cannes01:15 Meet Paul Darcy01:39 AI Disrupts Brands02:43 Brand vs Performance04:29 Performance as Brand05:19 Fixing Ad Inefficiency06:44 Moloco Growth Mission07:19 BCG Disruption Report10:33 Digital Voice Street Chats10:56 Nectar 360 Goals11:50 Amazon Port Surprise14:24 Samsung Ads Highlights16:12 Networking at Cannes17:34 Press Room Winners20:07 Wrap and TomorrowThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Suso O'Brien, former CMO of Just Eat, joins us to discuss what the role of the modern CMO really looks like. Drawing on her experience helping scale Just Eat and the findings from a new CMO survey conducted with TikTok, Suso argues that today's marketing leaders need a completely different set of priorities.We revisit the growth of Just Eat, the success of the iconic “Did Somebody Say…” campaign, and the role celebrity partnerships and sonic branding played in building the brand. But beyond the advertising, Suso shares why CMOs spend surprisingly little time on the work itself, why internal influence matters more than ever, and why managing expectations may be more important than managing brands.The conversation also explores the lack of marketing representation at the top of organisations, the pressures facing today's CMOs, and Suso's framework for leading people through her five Cs of great management.Timestamps00:00 - Start02:52 - The food delivery category in 201604:05 - The role marketing played in the growth of Just Eat05:55 - Does “did somebody say?” translate globally?07:26 - The celebrity strategy behind Just Eat09:47 - The power of sonic branding12:12 - What impact did the campaign have vs other growth levers for Just Eat14:36 - CMOs rarely spend any time on the work17:28 - The real 4 Ps of the CMO19:06 - Discoveries from the CMO survey with TikTok20:56 - Why the lack of marketing representation at the top of companies is worrying22:00 - What skills are lacking in an organisation23:08 - The short term pressure on the CMO24:34 - How do you make the case to invest in long term28:20 - The power of compounding creativity29:04 - The CMO's role is managing expectations, not brands30:04 - Why CMO's need to persuade internal stakeholders36:10 - The #1 challenge CMO's face40:58 - Suso's hardest challenges as Just Eat CMO42:40 - Why Suso asked her colleagues for feedback when she left Just Eat44:17 - 5 C's of great people management44:32 - 1: Care45:30 - 2: Clarity47:35 - 3. Calling it early49:12 - 4. The cost of comfort51:33 - 5: Constant feedback53:25 - Suso's advice to future CMOs
Introduction The rules that governed software pricing for a decade are breaking down. Per-user SaaS models made sense when users were people. Now that AI is automating those seats, the pricing logic collapses — and carriers, brokers, and insurtech vendors are all rethinking the economics at the same time. Michael Nadel is a partner and head of the global insurance practice at Simon-Kucher & Partners. He joined Josh Hollander for his second appearance on the show to dig into what the AI era is actually doing to monetization — from the pricing mistakes early movers keep making, to why outcome-based models are harder to execute than they are to sell, to a 50,000-session LLM shopping simulation that revealed what could become the next SEO arms race for insurance carriers. Guest Bio Michael Nadel is a partner and head of the global insurance practice at Simon-Kucher & Partners, a global strategy consultancy focused on growth, pricing, and monetization. Before consulting, he spent time at CNA in strategy and innovation, and earlier led large-scale financial services implementation work at Accenture. He advises carriers, brokers, MGAs, and insurtech vendors on pricing strategy, and co-hosts an annual monetization masterclass at InsureTech Connect. Key Topics From offense to defense — A year ago, clients asked how to monetize new AI features. Today the questions are more defensive: how does AI threaten my core product, my pricing model, and my existing revenue base? The two biggest AI pricing mistakes — Pricing before understanding what customers actually value, and jumping to outcome-based models before you can define or reliably deliver the outcome. Outcome-based pricing is the destination, not the shortcut — Buyers love paying only when value is delivered. The problem is definitional complexity — what counts as the outcome, who controls it, and what happens when results fall short. AI spend that looks like RPA in new packaging — Carriers running well-designed AI programs focus on workflow economics, not technology for its own sake. The recommended split: 70% on high-value workflow automation, 20% on data and governance, 10% on exploratory bets. GEO: the next SEO — Simon-Kucher simulated 50,000 insurance shopping sessions across 50 consumer personas and three major LLMs. What gets a carrier recommended by an LLM is not the same as what gets them ranked on Google. CMOs need to decide how to treat LLMs as a distribution channel now. Services businesses face the same disruption — Pure labor arbitrage is structurally challenged by AI. Firms that survive will combine domain expertise with AI-enabled delivery and evolve from vendors to partners. Notable Quotes "You need to understand what people value before you prescribe a price. But very often, people build something, bring it to market, and then try to figure out why it isn't selling." "Automating a bad process simply creates a faster bad process." "It's not replacing system X with system Y — it's changing the way you work fundamentally. Orange juice to lemonade. Not a better way to make orange juice." "Last year, roughly one percent of our traffic came from LLMs. This year it was roughly five percent and increasing." Resources Guest: Simon-Kucher & Partners: https://www.simon-kucher.com Michael Nadel on LinkedIn: (verify and add URL) Host & Organization: Joshua R. Hollander on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuarhollander/ Horton International (USA): https://www.horton-usa.com/ Insurtech Leadership Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/insurtech-leadership-show Subscribe & Review If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe on your favorite platform and leave a review. The Insurtech Leadership Podcast is available on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify.
Most fractional CMOs aren't failing because they lack skill. They're stalling because they're busy doing everything except the one thing that actually moves the needle. This episode opens with a gym analogy that's almost too accurate, then goes somewhere more uncomfortable: the real reason experienced marketers spend weeks building websites, booking headshots, and dreaming about book signings before they've landed a single client. What gets unpacked is the gap between productive activity and the feeling of productive activity, and why fear is almost always the engine running underneath all of it. The argument isn't that preparation is wrong. It's that most of the "preparation" happening right now is a dressed-up version of avoidance, and there's a faster way through it. Key Topics Covered: The BOSU ball problem and what it reveals about how people waste early momentum Why writing a book, building a website, and getting headshots are all the same mistake The two fears most fractional CMOs are actually running from Why you don't need to know the answer, you just need to be resourceful How to sell your first high-ticket client before you feel ready What courage actually looks like when you're scared (Dan Sullivan's definition) The fastest path to an extra $100,000 in the next 12 months Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
EeroQ is unusual in two ways. It's the only company in the world commercializing electrons-on-helium qubits, a modality first proposed by Platzman and Dykman in Science in 1999. And it was founded by Nick Farina — a software entrepreneur, not a physicist — who got pulled into the field through a Chicago theater board where he met his future co-founder, then-PhD student Johannes Pollanen.This conversation matters now because EeroQ has had an unusually productive twelve months: a Physical Review X paper demonstrating single-electron control above 1 Kelvin, a January 2026 result on controlling up to a million electrons with fewer than 50 control lines, and — published in Nature Physics on June 15, 2026 — the first demonstration of strong coupling between a microwave photon and a single electron on helium, the cavity-QED readout-and-control link the platform depends on. If you're trying to understand which "second-tier" modalities deserve serious attention — and how a small, capital-light team in Chicago is thinking about scale-first hardware design — this is a useful listen.SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Outshift, Cisco's incubation engine. The need for computational power is rapidly increasing in every sector. From drug discovery to material innovation to complex financial modeling, classical systems are reaching their absolute limits. It's time for a paradigm shift. The answer is a scalable quantum network, built on open standards and vendor-agnostic architecture. By uniting distributed quantum devices, you unlock limitless computational power.Learn more about the Cisco Universal Quantum Switch at Outshift.com.Go deeper with the blog post The switch that quantum networking has been waiting for.What We Get IntoHow a Chicago theater board led to one of the most unique qubit companies in the fieldWhy electrons-on-helium failed in the early 2000s and why circuit QED, dry fridges, and CMOS now make it viableThe physical picture: a thin superfluid helium film coating a CMOS chip, with electrons trapped a few nanometers above the surface by their own image chargeWhy EeroQ pivoted from motional states to spin qubits after Steve Lyon (Princeton) joined as CTO — and the predicted 10+ second coherence times that come with itThe "build a quantum computer in reverse" philosophy: starting from a million-qubit architecture and working back toward two-qubit gatesHow the "Wonder Lake" chip controls 2,432 future qubit sites today, and why that's an engineering milestone rather than a qubit countHonest framing of where EeroQ actually is: no two-qubit gate demonstrated yet, with a tape-out target of ~10,000 qubits by late 2028Why dipole-dipole gates come first and exchange gates come later, borrowing from the spin qubit playbookThe case that scaling — not qubit quality — has been the field's slowest-moving problem over the last decadeResources & LinksGuest & CompanyEeroQ — Company site for the only commercial electron-on-helium quantum hardware effort.EeroQ Publications — Peer-reviewed papers and preprints from the team.Building a Quantum Computer in Reverse (EeroQ Blog, July 2023) — Farina's own articulation of the scale-first design philosophy discussed in the episode.Key PapersKoolstra, Glen, Beysengulov et al., "Strong coupling of a microwave photon to an electron on helium," Nature Physics, June 2026 — First demonstration of strong coupling between a microwave photon and the quantized motional state of a single electron on helium, including observation of vacuum Rabi splitting — establishing the cavity-QED readout link at the heart of EeroQ's architecture. This result was under embargo when the episode was recorded.Castoria et al., "Sensing and Control of Single Trapped Electrons Above 1 Kelvin," Physical Review X (2025) — The 1 K result Nick references; demonstrates charge sensing but not yet coherent spin manipulation.Koolstra et al., "High-impedance Resonators for Strong Coupling to an Electron on Helium," Physical Review Applied (Feb 2025) — The resonator architecture underlying EeroQ's cQED control approach.Electron-on-helium qubit (Wikipedia) — Useful overview including the original 1999 Platzman & Dykman Science proposal and Steve Lyon's 2006 spin-qubit paper in Physical Review A.Press & ContextEeroQ Makes World-First Breakthrough in Electron Qubits Floating on Helium (EeroQ, June 2026) — Company announcement of the Nature Physics strong-coupling result.EeroQ Solves the "Wire Problem" (PRNewswire, Jan 2026) — The million-electrons / fewer-than-50-wires result Nick cites.Individual electrons trapped and controlled above 1 K (Phys.org) — Independent coverage of the PRX paper.EeroQ Achieves Tape-Out of "Wonder Lake" Chip (The Quantum Insider, July 2023) — Background on the 2,432-site CMOS chip discussed in the episode.EcosystemChicago Quantum Exchange — The regional consortium EeroQ benefits from.Illinois Quantum and Microelectronics Park — The state-backed quantum park anchored in Chicago.Key Quotes & InsightsOn the contrarian thesis: "Scaling is actually the hardest part of building a quantum computer." Nick argues the field has made real strides on gate fidelity, error correction, and algorithms over the last decade — but not nearly enough on the path to hundreds of thousands or millions of qubits.On building in reverse: Rather than starting from a two-qubit gate and "hoping and praying to find ways to scale," EeroQ started by asking what a million-qubit processor would have to look like — which forced the choice of CMOS as the only manufacturing technology humanity has ever used to build features at that scale.On honest status: "We d...
The volume of creative content has never been higher, and the pressure to prove every piece of it works has never been greater. In this sponsored episode of the Marketer's Brief podcast, Ad Age sits down with Jeff Greenspoon, chief executive officer of the Americas at Kantar, to explore how brands can maximize creative effectiveness in an era of AI-generated content, always-on channels, and exploding creator ecosystems. Jeff unpacks how leading brands are embedding decision intelligence directly into their creative workflows, turning insight into confidence and driving real marketing impact. He also covers effective creator marketing and what it looks like when CMOs and their teams put it to work. Tune in to hear how Kantar is helping leading brands move from instinct to evidence, and setting the agenda for creative impact at scale.
Jamie Domenici, CMO of Klaviyo, joins us to discuss why customer experience has become one of the most powerful drivers of growth. Drawing on lessons from nearly a decade at Salesforce and her experience joining Klaviyo just months before its IPO, Jamie shares how great brands create loyalty by obsessing over the customer.We explore what marketers can learn from customer success teams, why events like Dreamforce are so memorable, and how Klaviyo has repositioned itself while building a competitive moat in an increasingly crowded market.Jamie also shares her views on AI, the future workforce, the skills tomorrow's CMOs will need, and the difference between good marketing leaders and truly great ones.Timestamps00:00 - Start01:05 - Jamie's strange first job02:26 - Best and worst customer experiences05:56 - The power of a good customer experience08:45 - Marketing lessons from customer success11:48 - Marketing lessons from 10 years at Salesforce13:05 - Why Dreamforce was a great example of good customer experience14:46 - The key to a great keynote21:56 - Joining Klaviyo just months before an IPO24:28 - Repositioning a company25:45 - How does B2C differ to B2B when it comes to CRM?28:41 - How Klaviyo are building their moat30:51 - Where is AI going to have the biggest impact?32:19 - How are Klaviyo using AI in their product?34:14 - How AI is going to change the workforce35:42 - What skills will future CMOs be hiring for?37:31 - The difference between a good CMO and a great CMO39:17 - Why Klaviyo invest a lot in events40:52 - The best advice Jamie has ever received
Renegade Thinkers Unite: #2 Podcast for CMOs & B2B Marketers
Some CMO opportunities look promising right up until you stop asking, "Can I land this?" and start asking, "Can I actually win at this company?" In a market that is warmer than it was a year ago but still unforgiving, Hugh Marshall of Heidrick & Struggles argues that CMOs need to approach the search with two-way diligence. The offer matters, but so does knowing whether the company, CEO, board, investors, and growth expectations are aligned enough to support real success. With that recruiter 's-eye view, Hugh joins Drew to get inside today's CMO search, from PE-backed pressure and growth-stage churn to comp conversations, equity tradeoffs, and the big career bets hiding inside the fine print. Call it a reality check for CMOs who want the next role to be the right one. What You'll Learn: How to spot risky CMO roles before you're in too deep Why two-way diligence is now non-negotiable How AI fluency is reshaping CMO candidacy What makes candidates stand out in the interview process Know what you're walking into before you say yes. Tune in for Hugh's candid take on today's CMO market, the hidden dynamics behind the offer, and the signs of a truly winnable role. For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/
Watch this episode and see additional resources for marketers at AdAge.com/cmo. In the first episode of the Ad Age CMOs on CMOs series, Andrea Collins, CMO of Hippo, and Liz Vanzura, CMO of Solo Stove, break down how they're implementing AI into team workflows, and how marketers can start discussing AI implementation with teams mindfully. They also dig into grassroots marketing tactics and the power of bringing your brand to consumers. CMOs on CMOs is a new series from Ad Age. Each episode will feature two marketing leaders, discussing the trends, changes and trials of their work. Stay tuned for more episodes in the coming months.
Most leaders think they are delivering a great customer experience. Pierre Charchaflian of IBM says they are delivering yesterday's version. The new standard is not fixing problems when customers report them. It is knowing about the problem before the customer does, and solving it before they have to ask. That shift, from reactive to anticipatory, is what separates the brands that customers stay loyal to from those they leave without explanation. The technology to do it exists right now. Most companies are not using it. Pierre has spent 25 years at the intersection of data, technology, and customer experience, and he says this transformation is unlike anything he has seen before. The window to act is open. It will not stay that way. What You Will Learn About Anticipating Customer Needs With AI: What agentic AI actually is in plain language, why it is fundamentally different from prior AI capabilities, and what it means for your CX strategy starting now Why IBM's research found that technology stack limitations, not budget or talent, are the number one barrier preventing CMOs from delivering the customer experience they already know they need to deliver How agentic search engines are becoming a direct threat to brand digital presence, and what leaders need to do before their customers' AI agents start bypassing them entirely Why anticipating a customer's need before they express it is now a measurable competitive advantage, and what separates the companies building that capability from the ones still reacting How AI can read sentiment, detect frustration signals across structured and unstructured data, and trigger a response before a customer decides to leave Why conversion is the metric that tells the truth about whether your customer experience is actually working, and what NPS and CSAT consistently miss Download IBM's Win the Moment report now: https://www.ibm.com/thought-leadership/institute-business-value/en-us/report/customer-intent?utm_id=Stacy-Sherman-AdobeSummit-LinkedIn-IBVCMOStudy-04-16-26 #IBMPartner Have a question or thoughts to share? Leave a voice message: https://www.speakpipe.com/StacySherman Learn more at DoingCXRight.com and subscribe to the newsletter for more actionable strategies.
Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson l Presented By Marigold
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤEver asked an AI tool to explain your own company and cringed at how wrong it got things? This week there's a genuinely simple fix for that, and Jay Schwedelson lays it out in a way that turns those AI answers into a ready-made content plan. He somehow gets there by way of a hospital collab and a four-dollar Instagram upgrade he's weirdly excited about, which tells you everything about how this one flows.ㅤBest Moments:(00:16) Disney teams up with Philips to surround kids with ambient Disney characters during their MRIs(01:36) The gut-punch stat, 88 percent of CMOs are getting grilled on AI visibility while most have no plan(02:06) Most marketers have already caught AI describing their company completely wrong(03:40) Ask all four AI tools the same question, then build content around the answers they all share(04:52) Meta's new Instagram add-on lets your stories outlive the 24-hour cutoff, and Jay thinks it's worth it(06:45) The Eventastic pitch arrives with DJs, a cannonball guy, and a Taylor Swift dance contest
Marketing leadership has become one of the most volatile seats in business. CMOs and marketing leaders are often expected to create immediate pipeline, prove instant ROI, fix deeper business issues they did not create, defend brand investment, align sales, understand customers, translate strategy across the organization, and still become one of the first functions questioned, blamed, or cut when growth slows. In part one of this master class conversation, Matt Hummel, CMO of Pipeline360, brings a clear reminder back to the table: great marketing starts with trusting the buyer, knowing the customer, and simplifying how you market. In a market obsessed with performance data, attribution, automation, dark social, buyer signals, and immediate results, more complexity does not automatically create better customer understanding. For aspiring CMOs, current CMOs, marketing leaders, founders, and business owners, this conversation is a valuable look at how to lead marketing without getting trapped in the pressure cooker. It challenges you to rethink what it really means to put the customer at the center, not as a tagline, not as another automation workflow, and not as another dashboard filled with signals, but as a deeper responsibility to understand the person, pressure, timing, risk, and decision behind the purchase. The conversation moves through buyer trust, brand versus demand, customer empathy, attribution, sales alignment, CMO pressure, market timing, and the difference between chasing pipeline and building LTV. It is also a reminder to get out of your lane, understand product, spend time with sales, listen to customers, and learn how the whole business works. Because the best CMOs are not just campaign operators. They are translators, mediators, trust builders, and business leaders who know how to connect marketing to revenue, customer experience, and long term growth. Beyond The Episode Gems: Connect With Matt Hummel on LinkedIn Listen To Troy On Matt's Podcast, Pipeline Brew: The Evolving Role of CMOs & Community Building Visit Pipeline360 website to learn more about how they solve B2B marketers' biggest headaches Buy Troy's Book, Strategize Up: The Blueprint To Scale Your Business StrategizeUpBook.com Discover All Podcasts On The HubSpot Podcast Network Get Free HubSpot Marketing Tools To Help You Grow Your Business Grow Your Business Faster Using HubSpot's CRM Platform Support The Podcast & Connect With Troy: Rate & Review iDigress: iDigress.fm/Reviews Follow Troy's Socials @FindTroy: LinkedIn, Instagram, Threads, TikTok Subscribe to Troy's YouTube Channel For Strategy Videos & See Masterclass Episodes Need Growth Strategy, A Keynote Speaker, Or Want To Sponsor The Podcast? Go To FindTroy.com
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