Podcasts about ICP

This episode of In Stride is presented by The Eventing Series by Natalie Keller Reinert and Flatiron Books. You can find The Eventing Series books in paperback, ebook, and audiobook wherever books are sold. Follow Natalie Keller Reinert on Instagram at @NatalieKReinert. In this episode of “In Stride,” Sinead is joined by international 4* event rider Michael Nolan. Michael Nolan is a skilled Irish event rider with a diverse background in fox hunting, racehorses, show jumping, and eventing. He rode for top Irish yards including Cooley Farms, Kedrah House Stud, and Tomgar Sport Horses before moving to the U.S. to further his career. He spent seven years working with 4* rider and ICP instructor Robin Walker, developing horses through the advanced level. Michael's recent results include top finishes at the 2023 Morven Park and Plantation Field CCI3*-S with Carrabeg Hulla Balou. He now runs Nolan Sporthorses, a training and coaching business, with his wife Mckenna Knott. They are based in Florida during the winter and Michigan in the summer. In this episode, Michael shares an inside look at the realities of the industry, including: • How he got his start with horses in Ireland and eventually found his way to eventing. • His approach to starting young horses and why he believes professionals should develop their own. • The differences in horse culture between the U.S. and Ireland. • The importance of trusting your feel in the saddle and teaching students to do the same. Join Michael and Sinead for an honest and insightful conversation about building a career in eventing, from breaking young horses to trusting your instincts in the saddle.

ABM falls apart fast when teams jump in before locking down who they're chasing, why it matters, and how it's all supposed to run. Sales pushes one list, marketing builds another, and no one agrees on who actually matters. No shared ICP? No clean data? Well, no chance. You need a strategy. Guest host Jon Russo (B2B Fusion) corrals Heidi Bullock (Tealium), Patti Newcomer (Centerbase), and Bindu Chellappan (Corpay) for a breakdown of how they're keeping their ABM engines running clean. Think pods with purpose, seller-first workflows, and data that matters. In this episode:  Heidi on running pods that bring marketing, sales, and CS into one motion  Patti on aligning across the funnel and why ABM needs ownership  Bindu on activating firmographic and intent data with shared definitions  Plus:  Where alignment really starts  Why trust beats tech every time  How AI is speeding up the grunt work without losing the signal  The metrics that actually tell you it's working Tune in to learn about what breaks ABM, what fixes it, and how to keep teams pulling in the same direction.  For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/

Industrial expansion has left an indelible mark on our natural world, fundamentally altering landscapes and ecosystems for the sake of material progress and modern convenience. This transformation has created an environmental challenge of unprecedented scale. In today's show, we'll connect the dots between the raw materials that make up our planet and the industrial forces visually altering our contemporary landscape in a chat with a photographer who's documented these profound global changes firsthand for the past 50 years. Applying visual principals rooted in abstract expressionist painting, Edward Burtynsky has explored a wide range of photographic tools in his image making—from large format film to high-res digital cameras mounted to the most sophisticated of drones. Included among our many discussion topics are his distinctive approach to translating a 3-D landscape to the flat plane of a photograph; his various methods for capturing aerials using either a helicopter, fixed wing aircraft, or various types of drones; and the early business epiphany that led him to open a photo lab as an income stream, rather than work as a camera for hire. As Burtynsky shares during our chat, about the connection between nature and industry: “You know, materials are an incredibly key part of modern society. And yet we need to go to sources in nature, where these materials are found. And I'm just reconnecting a reality that we still live in a material world, and our cities are built of molecules that came from somewhere, and I'm taking you to those places that are vast and huge.” Guest: Edward Burtynsky Episode Timeline: 2:58: Burtynsky's early interest in abstract expressionist painting combined with the magic and rituals of composing images with a large format camera 5:28: Planning for aerial views, the shift from using a minerals map in the past to Google Earth today, plus Burtynsky's shooting preferences between a helicopter and a drone and shooting open air. 10:22: Burtynsky's approach to translating a 3-D landscape to the flat plane of a photograph. 17:17: The planning and research behind Burtynsky's work vs the need to pivot in the field. 19:45: Adapting to technology over a 50-year career, and how it's shaped Burtynsky's process—from large format film to high end digital on a drone. 23:16: Episode Break 23:59: Burtynsky talks about permissions to access mines and industrial sites and how this has changed over time. 31:44: A wrong turn on the highway in 1981 and the photos that led Burtynsky to an epiphany about human-altered landscapes.  35:48: Burtynsky talks about forming his photo lab Toronto Image Works as a ballast to provide income in printing for other photographers while pursuing personal fine art photo projects. 43:38: Burtynsky's retrospective exhibit at the ICP in New York, his thoughts about the future of technology, plus recent collaborations with a young artist working in Artificial Intelligence.   Guest Bio:  Edward Burtynsky has spent more than 40 years bearing witness to the impact human industry on our planet. Regarded as one of the world's most accomplished contemporary photographers, Burtynsky's work is included in the collections of more than 80 museums worldwide and featured in major exhibitions around the globe. Born in St. Catharines, Ontario in 1955, Burtynsky's early exposure to a nearby General Motors plant and ships navigating the Welland Canal in his hometown captured his imagination, helping to formulate his ideas about the scale of human creation he would later capture in photographs. These images explore the collective impact we as a species have on the surface of this planet. A select list of Burtynsky's many distinctions include the inaugural TED Prize, the title of Officer of the Order of Canada, the International Center of Photography's Infinity Award for Art, a Royal Photographic Society Honorary Fellowship, and the World Photography Organization's Outstanding Contribution to Photography Award. Burtynsky currently holds nine honorary doctorate degrees, and in addition to his work in photography, he was a key production figure in the award-winning documentary film trilogy Manufactured Landscapes, Watermark, and ANTHROPOCENE: The Human Epoch. All three films continue to play in festivals around the world. Stay Connected: Website Instagram Facebook YouTube Linktree    - Host: Derek Fahsbender  Senior Creative Producer: Jill Waterman Senior Technical Producer: Mike Weinstein Executive Producer: Richard Stevens

This week, join Peter and Chris as they deep dive into the first track off Freek Show by Twiztid, the ever-famous "Intro." Sit back and listen as they dissect the "lyrics" and content of the track, discuss the famous gate creek noise (Hollywood Edge Sm Heavy Metal Door), talk about "Mishima - A Life In 4 Chapters", and tackle important topics like what it would sound like if other Psy/MNE people voiced this very intro!      New gimmick: TIME STAMPS! 0:00:00 (Start)    0:09:08 (Talking about Intros / Tale of the Tape)     0:15:05 (Lyrical Deep Dive / Gate Noise History)    0:56:45 (Wrapping Up)      The LinkTree can be found at https://linktr.ee/juggalorwd. Otherwise here are all of our links -  Twitter/X: @JuggaloRWD  IG: @JuggaloRWD  Facebook: @JuggaloRWD  TikTok: @JuggaloRWD  Threads: @JuggaloRWD  BlueSky: @JuggaloRWD  The website is www.JuggaloRewind.com.  Join us on the ICPWWE Discord and talk to other listeners and podcast hosts about Psychopathic Records, ICP, Twiztid and random juggalo nonsense.  Email us at juggalorwd@gmail.com or call/text us at (810) 666-1570.      Additional music provided by Steve O of the IRTD. Voiceover work provided by Christmas. The Rewind is forever powered by the 20x20 Apparel.   All music played is owned by the respective publishers and copywrite holders and is reproduced for review purposes only under fair use. Thank you to Majik Ninja Entertainment for allowing us to bring this podcast to all of the juggalos worldwide. #ForTheJuggaloCulture

In this compelling episode of The Child Psych Podcast, hosts sit down with Emmy-winning filmmakers Matthew O'Neill and Perri Peltz, the producers of the groundbreaking documentary "Can't Look Away: The Case Against Social Media." Together, they unpack the alarming truths uncovered in their investigation: how today's most popular social media platforms are deliberately engineered to captivate—and often endanger—children and teens.Through powerful real-life stories, insider testimonies, and whistleblower accounts, the documentary reveals how sophisticated algorithms exploit young minds, fueling addiction, mental health crises, and, in some tragic cases, irreversible harm. O'Neill and Peltz share behind-the-scenes insights into what they discovered about Big Tech's hidden playbook, why these platforms resist regulation, and what parents, educators, and policymakers must know to protect kids online.This eye-opening conversation is a must-listen for anyone concerned about the intersection of technology, youth mental health, and the urgent need for accountability in the digital age.To watch this incredible documentary, please go to: https://www.jolt.film/watch/cantlookaway?PatreonCome on over and join us on Patreon where we have bonus episodes, extra episode content , toolboxes , discounts for our courses, our ebook, a parent community and so much more - we would love to have you! Click here for more. Wanting more from ICP? Get 50 % off our annual membership with the coupon code: PODCAST5090+ courses on parenting and children's mental healthPrivate community where you can feel supportedWorkbooks, parenting scripts, and printablesMember-only Webinars Course Certificates for Continuing EducationAccess to our Certification ProgramLive Q & A Sessions for Parents & ProfesssionalsBi-Annual Parenting & Mental Health ConferencesDownloadable Social Media CollectionRobust Resource LibraryClick here for more Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

1. Los líos de la abogada motorizada.Thomas Rivera Schatz remueve a Roxanna Soto Aguilú de todas sus comisionessenatoriales2. Fijan para el 11 de julio la vistapreliminar contra ‘Prospe', acusado de agredir a policía y hablo de lasdistintas versiones3. ACLU de Puerto Rico cuestionaadvertencias de HSI sobre procesar a testigos de detenciones4. Gobernadora decreta dos días deduelo tras muerte de "Ronny" Jarabo5. Empleados del ICP advierten queproyecto ante la Cámara eliminaría el patrimonio documental6. Senado investigará impacto quetendrá la quiebra de subsidiaria de Sunnova en los consumidores7. FIESTA DE PORKY PIG ": ElonMusk critica el proyecto de ley de Trump y pide un nuevo partido político 8. Las redadas migratorias dejancultivos sin cosechar y las granjas de California en riesgo.9. Petro asegura que Francia Márquezdebe dar explicaciones ante la justicia tras aparecer en los audios de Leyva10.            Israel está utilizando la hambrunacomo arma.11.            Ciudad de México renueva el orgullode su pasado prehispánico en la celebración de los 700 años de TenochtitlanEste es un programa independiente y sindicalizado. Esto significa que este programa se produce de manera independiente, pero se transmite de manera sindicalizada, o sea, por las emisoras y cadenas de radio que son más fuertes en sus respectivas regiones. También se transmite por sus plataformas digitales, aplicaciones para dispositivos móviles y redes sociales.  Estas emisoras de radio son:1.    Cadena WIAC - WYAC 930 AM Cabo Rojo- Mayagüez2.    Cadena WIAC – WISA 1390 AM Isabela3.    Cadena WIAC – WIAC 740 AM Área norte y zona metropolitana4.    WLRP 1460 AM Radio Raíces La voz del Pepino en San Sebastián5.    X61 – 610 AM en Patillas6.    X61 – 94.3 FM Patillas y todo el sureste7.    WPAB 550 AM - Ponce8.    ECO 93.1 FM – En todo Puerto Rico9.    WOQI 1020 AM – Radio Casa Pueblo desde Adjuntas 10. Mundo Latino PR.com, la emisora web de música tropical y comentario Una vez sale del aire, el programa queda grabado y está disponible en las plataformas de podcasts tales como Spotify, Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts y otras plataformas https://anchor.fm/sandrarodriguezcotto También nos pueden seguir en:REDES SOCIALES:  Facebook, X (Twitter), Instagram, Threads, LinkedIn, Tumblr, TikTok BLOG:  En Blanco y Negro con Sandra http://enblancoynegromedia.blogspot.com  SUSCRIPCIÓN: Substack, plataforma de suscripción de prensa independientehttps://substack.com/@sandrarodriguezcotto OTROS MEDIOS DIGITALES: ¡Ey! Boricua, Revista Seguros. Revista Crónicas y otrosEstas son algunas de las noticias que tenemos hoy En Blanco y Negro con Sandra. 

1.  Planchanhoy nombramiento al FEI de Olga Birriel. La exjueza tiene un historial derepresalias y persecusión, pero cabildeó en el Senado y la nombraron a ella y asu hijo. Cámara de Representantes decide hoy2.  Alertapública: gobierno intenta cambiar Archivo General. Empleados del ICP adviertenque un proyecto ante la Cámara de Representantes quiere eliminar el patrimoniodocumental; reclaman que escuchen sus voces3.  Fuea denunciar robo de su carro, y la Policía le dio una paliza. Ayer leencontraron causa al joven José Gabriel Pérez Soler, conocido como“Prospe". 4.  Controversiaambiental y política rodea proyecto residencial Paseo La Cima en Cupey5.  LaIA aprende a mentir, manipular y amenazar a sus creadoresEste es un programa independiente y sindicalizado. Esto significa que este programa se produce de manera independiente, pero se transmite de manera sindicalizada, o sea, por las emisoras y cadenas de radio que son más fuertes en sus respectivas regiones. También se transmite por sus plataformas digitales, aplicaciones para dispositivos móviles y redes sociales.  Estas emisoras de radio son:1.    Cadena WIAC - WYAC 930 AM Cabo Rojo- Mayagüez2.    Cadena WIAC – WISA 1390 AM Isabela3.    Cadena WIAC – WIAC 740 AM Área norte y zona metropolitana4.    WLRP 1460 AM Radio Raíces La voz del Pepino en San Sebastián5.    X61 – 610 AM en Patillas6.    X61 – 94.3 FM Patillas y todo el sureste7.    WPAB 550 AM - Ponce8.    ECO 93.1 FM – En todo Puerto Rico9.    WOQI 1020 AM – Radio Casa Pueblo desde Adjuntas 10. Mundo Latino PR.com, la emisora web de música tropical y comentario Una vez sale del aire, el programa queda grabado y está disponible en las plataformas de podcasts tales como Spotify, Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts y otras plataformas https://anchor.fm/sandrarodriguezcotto También nos pueden seguir en:REDES SOCIALES:  Facebook, X (Twitter), Instagram, Threads, LinkedIn, Tumblr, TikTok BLOG:  En Blanco y Negro con Sandra http://enblancoynegromedia.blogspot.com  SUSCRIPCIÓN: Substack, plataforma de suscripción de prensa independientehttps://substack.com/@sandrarodriguezcotto OTROS MEDIOS DIGITALES: ¡Ey! Boricua, Revista Seguros. Revista Crónicas y otrosEstas son algunas de las noticias que tenemos hoy En Blanco y Negro con Sandra.  

Season 9 starts off with the pilot episode, aka Episode Zero. This is a great place to start if you are a new listener to the podcast. Sit back and listen as Peter and Chris talk about FREEK SHOW, discuss Twiztid's timeline leading up to the release of their second album, talk about the Gathering of the Juggalos 2000, and tackle important topics like the greatest moments in time in juggalo history.!        TIME STAMPS! 0:00:00 (Start)    0:08:02 (Timeline of Freek Show)    0:31:50 (Freek Show Sampler)    0:38:20 (Touring)     0:45:25 (Physical Media & Iconography)     1:15:01 (Wrapping Up)      The LinkTree can be found at https://linktr.ee/juggalorwd. Otherwise here are all of our links -  Twitter/X: @JuggaloRWD  IG: @JuggaloRWD  Facebook: @JuggaloRWD  TikTok: @JuggaloRWD  Threads: @JuggaloRWD  BlueSky: @JuggaloRWD  The website is www.JuggaloRewind.com.  Join us on the ICPWWE Discord and talk to other listeners and podcast hosts about ICP, Twiztid and random juggalo nonsense.  Email us at juggalorwd@gmail.com or call/text us at (810) 666-1570.      Additional music provided by Steve O of the IRTD. Voiceover work provided by Christmas. The Rewind is forever powered by the 20x20 Apparel.   All music played is owned by the respective publishers and copywrite holders and is reproduced for review purposes only under fair use. #ForTheJuggaloCulture

In this episode of The FutureCraft Go To Market podcast, co-hosts Ken Roden and Erin Mills talk to speaker Mike Sweeney, a strategic executive coach, shares his expertise on leadership, emotional intelligence, and managing paradoxes during times of rapid change. Mike emphasizes the importance of adopting a mindset that balances competing truths, managing stress, and fostering team dynamics in high-pressure environments.    The duo also discusses creating ICP profiles, leveraging ICP insights for content blueprints, and discusses tools like Typeset for professional branding. Erin also demonstrates a new AI tool called 'Lovable' for developing front-end applications effortlessly.    00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview 00:22 Exploring AI in Go-To-Market Strategies 00:55 Ken's AI Adventures and Content Blueprint 02:39 Erin's AI Prompting App 03:57 Introducing Guest Mike Sweeney 04:45 Leadership in AI and Change Management 07:41 Understanding Leadership Paradoxes 17:45 Creating Common Ground in Leadership 24:31 Advice for Leaders Under Pressure 29:15 Characteristics of Great Teams 31:51 Navigating AI Transition Pressures 33:54 Aligning AI Initiatives with Strategic Goals 35:22 Thriving Through Organizational Change 39:54 Introducing Rally Bright 44:01 Emotional Intelligence in Leadership 52:33 Exploring Lovable: A New Development Tool 01:02:16 Conclusion and Reflections  

Is your child often called “shy”? In this episode, we explore why that label can be misleading—and even limiting. Instead, we'll unpack the unique strengths of kids who are quiet, observant, and slow to warm. These children often take in the world with deep awareness, think before they speak, and form strong, meaningful connections in their own time. We'll talk about how to reframe the narrative around “shyness,” offer practical strategies to support these thoughtful children, and celebrate the quiet power they bring to our world.PatreonCome on over and join us on Patreon where we have bonus episodes, extra episode content , toolboxes , discounts for our courses, our ebook, a parent community and so much more - we would love to have you! Click here for more. Wanting more from ICP? Get 50 % off our annual membership with the coupon code: PODCAST5090+ courses on parenting and children's mental healthPrivate community where you can feel supportedWorkbooks, parenting scripts, and printablesMember-only Webinars Course Certificates for Continuing EducationAccess to our Certification ProgramLive Q & A Sessions for Parents & ProfesssionalsBi-Annual Parenting & Mental Health ConferencesDownloadable Social Media CollectionRobust Resource LibraryClick here for more Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Tech N9ne made is log awaited return to the Cruz Show and talked about his upcoming origin story LP + he talked about reuniting with ICP and the Juggalos, Touring with J Rock & Kendrick, how he's never met Dr Dre and so much more. It's a very personal and fun interview. 

Idiopathic intracranial hypertension (IIH), a condition of increased intracranial pressure (ICP), causes debilitating headaches and, in some, visual loss. The visual defects are often in the periphery and not appreciated by the patient until advanced; therefore, monitoring visual function with serial examinations and visual fields is essential. In this episode, Kait Nevel, MD speaks with John J. Chen, MD, PhD, and Susan P. Mollan, MBChB, PhD, FRCOphth, authors of the article “Treatment and Monitoring of Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension” in the Continuum® June 2025 Disorders of CSF Dynamics issue. Dr. Nevel is a Continuum® Audio interviewer and a neurologist and neuro-oncologist at Indiana University School of Medicine in Indianapolis, Indiana. Dr. Chen is a professor of ophthalmology and neurology at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. Dr. Mollan is an honorary professor of metabolism and systems science in the department of neuro-ophthalmology at University Hospitals Birmingham in Birmingham, United Kingdom. Additional Resources Read the article: Treatment and Monitoring of Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension Subscribe to Continuum®: shop.lww.com/Continuum Earn CME (available only to AAN members): continpub.com/AudioCME Continuum® Aloud (verbatim audio-book style recordings of articles available only to Continuum® subscribers): continpub.com/Aloud More about the American Academy of Neurology: aan.com Social Media facebook.com/continuumcme @ContinuumAAN Host: @IUneurodocmom Guests: @chenmayo, @DrMollan Full episode transcript available here Dr Jones: This is Dr Lyell Jones, Editor-in-Chief of Continuum. Thank you for listening to Continuum Audio. Be sure to visit the links in the episode notes for information about earning CME, subscribing to the journal, and exclusive access to interviews not featured on the podcast. Dr Nevel: Hello, this is Dr Kate Nevel. Today, I'm interviewing Drs John Chen and Susan Mollan about their article on treatment and monitoring of idiopathic intracranial hypertension, which appears in the June 2025 Continuum issue on disorders of CSF dynamics. Drs Chen and Mollan, welcome to the podcast. And please, could you introduce yourselves to the audience? Dr Chen: Hello, everyone. I'm John Chen, one of the neuro-ophthalmologists at the Mayo Clinic. Thanks for having us here. Dr Mollan: Yeah, it's great to be with you here. I'm Susan Mollan. I'm a consultant neuro-ophthalmologist in Birmingham, England. Dr Nevel: Wonderful. So great to have you both here today, and our listeners. To start us off, talking about your article, can you share with us what you think is the most important takeaway from your article for the practicing neurologist out there? Dr Chen: Yeah, so our article talked about the treatment and monitoring of IIH. And I think one takeaway point is, IIH is becoming much more prevalent now that there's this worldwide obesity epidemic with obesity having- essentially being the largest risk factor for IIH other than female. It's really important to monitor vision because vision loss is often peripheral vision loss at first, which the patient may be completely unaware of. And so, it's important to pair up with an ophthalmologist so you can monitor the papilledema of the visual fields and make sure they don't get permanent vision loss. And in the article, we also talk about- there's been changes in the treatment of severe IIH, where traditionally, we used VP shunts; but there's been a trend toward using more venous sinus stenting in addition to the traditional surgeries. Dr Nevel: Great, thank you. I think probably most of our listeners or a lot of neurologists out there have a pretty good understanding of kind of the basics of the IIH. But can you kind of just go over a few key characteristics of IIH, and maybe some things that are less commonly known or things that are maybe just been kind of better understood over the past decade, perhaps? Dr Mollan: Yes, certainly. I think, as Dr Chen said, it's because this condition is becoming more prevalent, people recognize it. I think it's- we like to go back to the diagnostic criteria so that we're making a very accurate diagnosis. So, the patients may come in to the emergency room with, say, papilledema that's been identified elsewhere or crashing headaches. And it's important to go through that sort of diagnostic pathway, taking a blood pressure, taking a full blood count to make sure the patient is anemic, and then moving forward with that confirmation of papilledema into urgent neuroimaging, whether it's CT or MRI, but including venography to exclude a venous sinus thrombosis. And then if you have no structural lesion that's causing the raised ICP, it's moving forward with your lumbar puncture and carefully checking those pressures. But the patients may not only have crashing headache, they often have pulsatile tinnitus and neck pain. I think some of the features that we're now recognizing is the systemic metabolic effects that are unique to IIH. And so, there's an increased risk of cardiometabolic disease that's over and above what is conferred by obesity. Also, our patients have a sort of maternal health burden where they get impaired fertility, gestational diabetes and preeclampsia. And there's also an associated mental health burden, amongst other things. So we're really starting to understand the spectrum of the disease a bit more. Dr Nevel: Yeah, thank you for that. And that really struck me in your article, how important it is to be aware of those things so that we're making sure that we're managing our whole patient and connecting them with the appropriate providers for some of those other issues that may be associated. For the practicing neurologist out there without all the neuro-ophthalmology equipment, if you will, what should our bedside exam focus on to help us get maybe an early but accurate picture of the patient's visual function when we suspect IIH to be at play, perhaps before they can get in with the neuro-ophthalmologist? Dr Chen: Yeah, I think at the bedside you can still check visual acuity and confrontational visual fields, you know, with finger counting. Of course, you have to know that those are, kind of, crude kind of ways of screening. With papilledema, oftentimes the visual acuity is intact. And the confrontational visual fields aren't as sensitive as automated perimetry. Another important thing will be to do your direct ophthalmoscope and look at the amount of papilledema. If it's grade one or two papilledema on the more mild side, it's actually not vision threatening. It's the higher degrees of papilledema that can cause rapid vision loss. And so, if you look in and you see grade one papilledema, obviously you need to do the full workup, the MRI, MRV, lumbar puncture. But in terms of rapidly getting to an ophthalmologist to screen for vision loss, it's not going to be as important because you're not going to have vision loss at that low grade. If you look in and you see this rip-roaring papilledema, grade five papilledema, that patient is going to be at very severe risk of vision loss. So, I think that exam, looking at the optic nerve can be very helpful. And of course, talking to the patient about symptoms; is there decreased vision Is there double vision from a sixth nerve palsy? Are there transient visual obscurations which would indicate at least a higher degree of papilledema? That'd be helpful as well. Dr Nevel: Great, thank you. And when the patient does get in with a neuro-ophthalmologist, you talk in your article and, of course, in clinical practice, how OCT testing is important to monitor in this condition. Can you provide for the listeners the definition of OCT and how it plays a role in monitoring patients with IIH? Dr Mollan: Sure. So, OCT is short for optical coherence tomography imaging, and really the eye has been at the forefront of OCT alone. Our sort of cardiology colleagues are catching up on the imaging of blood vessels. But what it allows us to do is give us really good cross-sectional, anatomical-level changes that we can see both in the retina and also at the optic nerve head. And it gives us some really good measurements. It's not so good at sort of saying, is this definitely papilledema or not? That sort of lower end of disc elevation. But it is very good at ruling out what we call the pseudopapilledema. So, things like drusens or these other little masses we find underneath the optic nerve head. But in terms of monitoring, because we can longitudinally take these images and the reproducibility is pretty good at the optic nerve head, it allows us to see whether there's direct changes: either the papilledema getting worse or the papilledema getting better at the optic nerve head. It also gives us some indication of what's going on in the ganglion cell layer complex. And that can be helpful when we're thinking about sort of looking at structure versus function. So, ophthalmologists in general, we love OCT; and we spend much more time nowadays looking at the OCT than we really do the back of the eye. And it's just become critical for patients with papilledema to be able to be very accurate from visit to visit to see what's changing. Dr Nevel: How do you determine how frequently somebody needs to see the neuro-ophthalmologist with IIH and how often they need that OCT evaluation? Dr Chen: Once the diagnosis of IIH is made, how often they need to be seen and how frequent they need to be seen depends on the degree of papilledema. And again, OCT is really nice. You can quantify it and then different providers can actually use the same OCT numbers, which is super helpful. But again, if it's grade three papilledema or higher, or article thickness of 200 or higher, I tend to follow them a little bit more closely, trying to treat them more aggressively. Try to get the papilledema down into a safer zone. If it's grade one or two papilledema, we see them less frequently. So, my first visit might be three months out. They come with grade five papilledema, I'm seeing them within a few days to make sure that's papilledema's come down quickly because we're trying to decide, are they going to need surgery or not? Dr Nevel: Yeah, great. And that's a nice segue into talking a little bit about how we treat patients with IIH after the diagnosis is confirmed. And I'd like to just point out you have a very lovely figure in your article---Figure 5-6,---that I'd like to direct our listeners to read your article and check out that figure, which is kind of an algorithm on how we think about the various treatment options for patients who have IIH, which seems to rely a lot on the degree of presence of papilledema and the presence of vision disturbance. Could you maybe walk us through a little bit about how you think about the different treatment options for patients with IIH and when more urgent surgical intervention might be indicated? Dr Mollan: Yeah, sure. We always find it quite hard in any medical specialty to write these kind of flow diagrams because it's really an individual we're looking at. But these are kind of what we'd say is “broad brushstrokes” into those patients that we worry about, sort of, red disease in those patients, more amber disease. Now obviously, even those patients that may not have severe papilledema, they may have crashing headaches. So, they may be an urgent referral themselves because of that. And so, it's nice to try and work out which end of the spectrum you're working with. If we think of the papilledema, Dr Chen's already laid out the sort of lower end of the prison's scale---our grades one, our grades two---that we're less anxious about. And those patients, we would definitely be having discussions about medical management, which includes acetazolamide therapy; but also thinking about weight management. And it may well be that we talk a little bit further about weight management, but I think it's helpful to sort of coach those conversations after you've made a definite diagnosis. And then laying out the risk that's caused, potentially, the IIH in an individual. And then having a sort of open conversation with them about what changes they can have in their lifestyle alongside thinking about medical therapy. There's some patients with very low levels of papilledema that we decide not to put on medicines initially. As patients progress up that papilledema grade, we're definitely thinking about medical therapy. And our first line from the IIH treatment trial would be using acetazolamide, but we need to be thinking about using appropriate dosing. So, a lot of the patients that I see can be sent to me with very low doses that may be inappropriate for that person. In the IIHTT they used up to four grams daily in a divided dose. And you do need to counsel your patients when you're putting them on acetazolamide because of the side effects. You've got quite a nice table in this article about the side effects. I think if you get the patient on board, that they understand that they will experience side effects, that is helpful because they will expect it, and then possibly tolerate it a bit better. Moving through to that area where we're more anxious, that visual-threatening papilledema. As Dr Chen said, it's sort of like you look in and it's sort of “blood and thunder” in there. And you need to be getting on and encouraging the ophthalmologist to get a formal assessment of the visual field. It's very difficult to determine exactly the level at which- and we talk about the mean deviation in a lot of our research studies. But in general, it's a combination of things: the patient's journey to get to you, their symptoms, what's going on with the visual field, but what's also happening at the OCT. So, we look in and we see that fluid is seeping towards the fovea. We get very anxious, and those patients may not even have enough time for a rapid escalation of acetazolamide. It may well be at the first presentation, which we would term, like, fulminant; that we'd be thinking about surgical intervention. And I think before I stop, the other thing to say is, the surgical landscape is really changing. So, we're having some good studies coming out in terms of stenting. And so, there is a sort of bracket where it may well be that we are thinking about neuroradiological intervention in an earlier case. They may not quite be at that visual-threatening stage, but they may be resistant to medical treatments. Dr Nevel: Thank you for that. What do you think is a potential pitfall or a mistake to avoid, if you will, in the management of patients with IIH? Dr Chen: I think it's- in terms of pitfalls, I think the potential pitfalls I've seen are essentially patients where we don't necessarily create a good patient physician relationship. Where they don't have buy-ins on the treatment, they don't have buy-ins to come back, and they're lost to follow-up. And these patients can be dangerous, because they could have vision threatening papilledema and if not getting the appropriate treatment---and if they're not monitoring the vision---this can lead to poor outcomes. So, I've definitely seen that happen. As Dr Mollan said, you really have to tell them about the side effects from the medications. If you just take acetazolamide, letting them know the paresthesias and the changes in taste and some of these other side effects, they're going to immediately stop the medication. Again, and these medications do work, proven in the IIH treatment trial. So again, I think that patient-physician relationship is very important to make sure they have appropriate follow up. Dr Nevel: The topic of weight loss in this patient population can be tricky, and I know I talked with Susie in a prior interview about how to approach this topic with our patients in a sensitive and compassionate manner. Once this topic is broached, I find many patients are looking for advice on strategies for weight loss, or potentially medications or other interventions. How do you prioritize or think about the different weight loss strategies or treatments with your patients, and how do you think about the way that you recommend these different treatments or not? Dr Mollan: Yeah. I think that's a really great question because we sort of stray here into a specialty that we have not been trained in. One thing I definitely ask my patients: if they've been on a weight loss journey before, and what's worked for them and what's not worked for them. And within our different healthcare systems, we have access to different tiers of weight management approaches. But for the person sitting in front of me, that possibly there may be a long journey to access more professional care, it's about understanding. iIs there things that are free, such as, we have some apps in the National Health Service which are weight management applications where they can actually just start putting in their calories, their daily calorie intake. And those apps can be quite helpful and guiding in terms of targeting areas, but also informing the patient of what types of foods to avoid in their diet and what types of foods to include in their diet. And with some of the programs that are completely complementary, they also sometimes add on things about exercise. But I think it is a really difficult thing to manage as, say, an ophthalmologist or a neurologist, mainly because it's not our area of expertise. And I think we've all got to find, in our local hospitals and healthcare systems, those pathways where the patients may be able to access nutritional support, and sort of behavioral lifestyle therapy support, all the way through to the new medications for weight loss; and also for some people, bariatric surgery pathways. It's a tricky topic. Dr Nevel: So how should we counsel our patients about what to expect in the future in terms of visual outcomes? Dr Chen: I think a lot of that depends on the degree of papilledema when they present. If a patient comes in with grade five papilledema, that fulminant IIH that Dr Mollan had mentioned, these patients can have very severe vision loss. And even if we treat them very aggressively with high-dose medications and urgent surgical interventions, sometimes they can have permanent vision loss. And so, we counsel them that, you know, there's a strong chance that they're going to have a good amount of vision loss. But some patients, we're very surprised and we get a lot of vision back. So, we kind of set expectations, but we're cautiously optimistic that we can get vision back. If a patient presents with more mild papilledema like grade one or two papilledema, they're most likely not going to have any permanent vision loss as long as we're treating them, we're monitoring their vision, they're coming to their follow-ups. They tend to do very well from a vision perspective. Dr Nevel: That's great, thank you. And you know, ties into what you said earlier about really making sure that, you know, we create good- as with any patient, but good physician-patient relationships so that they, you know, trust us and they come to follow up so we can really monitor their vision appropriately. What do you think is going on in research in this area that's exciting? What do you think one of the next breakthroughs or thing that we need to understand the most about treatment and monitoring of IIH? Dr Chen: I think surgically, venous sinus stenting is going to probably take over the bulk of surgeries. We still need that randomized clinical trial, but we have some amazing outcomes with venous sinus stenting. And there's many efforts on randomized clinical trials for venous sinus stenting. So we'll have those results soon. From a medical standpoint, Dr Mollan can actually say, actually, more about this. Dr Mollan: I completely agree. The GLP-1 receptor agonists, the twofold prong approach: one is the weight loss where these patients, you know, have significant weight loss to put their disease into remission; and the other side of it is whether certain GLP-1s have the ability to reduce intracranial pressure. So, a phase 2 study that we undertook here in Birmingham did show that we were able to reduce intracranial pressure, but we don't think it's a class effect. So, I think the sort of big breakthrough will be looking at novel therapies like xenotide and other drugs that, say, work on the proximal kidney tubule. Are they able to reduce intracranial pressure directly? And I think we are on the cusp of a real breakthrough for this disease. Dr Nevel: Great. Thank you so much for chatting with me today. And I really learned a lot, appreciated the opportunity. I hope our listeners learned something today, too. So again, today I've been interviewing Drs John Chen and Susan Mollan about their article on treatment and monitoring of idiopathic intracranial hypertension, which appears in the most recent issue of Continuum on disorders of CSF dynamics. Be sure to check out Continuum Audio episodes from this and other issues. And thank you to our listeners for joining us today. Dr Monteith: This is Dr Teshamae Monteith, Associate Editor of Continuum Audio. 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So I read the Clown In a Cornfield books... 0:00 - Raging bigot is also bad at geography 5:52 - How many squirrels is a concerning number of squirrels? 10:32 - I drove a rental for the past few days 28:38 - YouTube is recommending exclusively Dead Meat's Kill Count videos 38:46 - Donkey Kong Bananza reveals Pauline and contradicts the super important DK lore! 49:24 - Clown In a Cornfield hasn't hit streaming yet so I read the books If you missed Saturday's live broadcast of Molehill Mountain, you can watch the video replay on YouTube.  Alternatively, you can catch audio versions of the show on iTunes. Molehill Mountain streams live at 7p PST every Saturday night! Credits: Molehill Mountain is hosted by Andrew Eisen.  Music in the show includes "To the Top" by Silent Partner.  It is in the public domain and free to use.  Molehill Mountain logo by Scott Hepting. Chat Transcript: 7:01 PMaddictedtochaos​​Hello. 7:01 PMaddictedtochaos​​You should play one of the “Games you own but haven't played” for extra life this year. 7:04 PMaddictedtochaos​​I've never been to California, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't San Bernadino in California? 7:08 PMaddictedtochaos​​ Sounds like my niece with her cats. 7:27 PMaddictedtochaos​​Yeah, had to spend $1200 on new tires recently. 7:29 PMaddictedtochaos​​I've started setting aside $20-$40 every paycheck as “in case” money. 7:41 PMaddictedtochaos​​I like the Zelda Timeline. 7:44 PMJared Knisely​​lore wise its a laser realistically its plasma 7:48 PMaddictedtochaos​​Maybe not the same Pauline? 7:50 PMaddictedtochaos​​Lore shenanigans aside, I'm looking forward to the new DK. 7:51 PMaddictedtochaos​​Seeing as it is Nintendo, a sale may be a long time coming. 8:03 PMaddictedtochaos​​They are making of “Chronic and Bluntman” 8:04 PMaddictedtochaos​​Movie of 8:06 PMaddictedtochaos​​A clown field would be horrifying. 8:09 PMaddictedtochaos​​Even worse if they are all ICP clowns 8:11 PMaddictedtochaos​​Juggalos

On this episode of The Founder's Sandbox, Brenda speaks with David Hirschfeld, owner of 18 year old business Tekyz, that boasts a hyperexceptional development team building high “ticket” products in the B2B space. They speak about ways in which AI is a gamechanger, how Tekyz backs their work for clients with relentless pursuit of quality, and how Tekyz practices ruthless compassion,to protect the company and enable it to grow Having collaborated with over 90 startups, he developed the Launch 1st Method—a systematic approach that minimizes risks and accelerates software company success with reduced reliance on investor funding, after observing that many companies launch a product first and then fail at a later stage – With Tekyz approach of Launch 1st exceptional founders are in love with the problem not the product.   David's expertise bridges cutting-edge AI technologies, workflow optimization, and startup ecosystem dynamics. When not transforming business strategies, he enjoys woodworking, golfing, and drawing leadership insights from his experience raising four successful sons. You can find out more about David and Tekyz at: https://sites.google.com/tekyz.com/david-hirschfeld?usp=sharing https://tekyz.podbean.com/ - Scaling Smarter Episodes. www.scalingsmarter.net - Schedule an interview https://www.linkedin.com/in/dhirschfeld/ https://x.com/tekyzinc https://www.linkedin.com/in/dhirschfeld/ https://www.facebook.com/dmhirschfeld       transcription:  00:04 Welcome  back to the Founders Sandbox.  I am Brenda McCabe, the host here on this monthly podcast, now in its third season. This podcast reaches entrepreneurs, business owners that are scaling. 00:31 professional service providers that provide services to these  entrepreneurs, and corporate board directors who, like me, are building resilient, purpose-driven, and scalable businesses with great corporate governance. My guests to this podcast are business owners themselves, professional service providers, and corporate directors who, like me, want to  use the power of the private company to build a better 01:01 world through storytelling with each of my guests in the sandbox. My goal is to provide a fun sandbox environment where we can equip one founder at a time to build a better world through great corporate governance. So today I'm absolutely delighted to have as my guest, David Hirschfeld. David is the owner and CEO of Techies, 17 or 18 year old business now that boasts 01:29 a hyper exceptional development team that are building high ticket products in the B2B space.  Welcome David to the Founder Sandbox. Hi Brenda and thanks for having me. Great. So I'm delighted that we  actually did a dry run in February.  We've known each other for some time  and AI, we're going to be touching on AI.  And I think that the world of AI 01:58 particularly in software development,  has changed significantly since we last spoke in February. So we're going to be getting into  some, I think, novel concepts for  the listeners of the Founder Sandbox. So I wanted to, you I always talk about how I like to work with  growth stage companies  that  typically are bootstrapped  and 02:26 It's only at a later stage do they seek institutional investment  by building great corporate governance  and reducing the reliance on investor funding  until such a time that they choose the right type of investors that can help them scale. So when I found out what you do at Techies with Launch First  and the type of work you do in B2B businesses, I absolutely wanted to have you here  on the  founder sandbox. 02:56 So let's jump right in, right? I think I'm eager to learn more about how to scale your bespoke development at Techies, right? To scale my own business? Okay. So there's a lot of different aspects to scaling my business and I bootstrapped for the last 18 years. 03:25 I've never taken any investment  with techies.  And I've  done that very specifically because  it gives me a lot of freedom. I don't have  a reporting structure that I have to worry about. That doesn't mean that I can be lazy with my team.  To grow my team, I have a philosophy 03:52 that I only hire people that are smarter than I am.  And the  ones that are in a position to hire, they can only hire people that are smarter than them. And by  really sticking to this philosophy, even though sometimes it makes us grow a little slower than we would like, it means that when we bring in people, those people  contribute immediately and contribute in a way 04:21 that it's our job to get the impediments out of their way and to facilitate them  so that they can contribute and  help us grow the company. So I call it  the ball rolls uphill  here because  my job is to support everybody that is above me, which is everybody. And then the people that I support directly, their job is to support the people that are above them. 04:51 Because if we're hiring correctly, then  people that we bring in can contribute in the area that we're bringing them in way more than the person that's hiring them. Okay. Thank you for that. So before you launched Techies, you had a career in companies like,  I  believe, Computer Associates, right? Texas Experiments and TelaMotorola. 05:19 There was a period of time between your  experience in these large corporations before your launch tech is where you actually had your own startup  and  you sold it in 2000, right? And I believe you also learned perhaps with the second startup about how hard it is to find product market fit. Can you talk to that for my listeners, please? 05:46 I don't know that it's that hard to find product market fit. It depends if that's your focus or not. If your focus is to nail down product market fit, then  it's not that hard to determine whether you can achieve that or not fairly quickly.  You can do that by  selling your product to potential customers.  That sounds strange. Of course, we all want to sell our products, but 06:14 What I'm suggesting is you start selling your product before you have a product, before you have a  full product. And I don't mean an MVP, but a design prototype. You go out to the market and you start to sell it. If you have product market fit and you've identified the early adopter in your market and you know that they have a very high  need from a perception perspective  and there's a big cost to the problem that you're solving. 06:45 then you can offer them a big enough value upfront that they'll buy your product early and you can prove that there's a market for your product and they'll buy it in enough numbers that you  can achieve a measurable  metric, which I kind of call the golden ratio, which is three to one in terms of what is the lifetime value of a customer versus what does it cost to acquire that customer? And you can get to that three to one ratio. 07:13 in a prelaunch sale model before you ever started developing your product as a way of proving product market fit. Or you pivot quickly and cheaply because you're not having to rebuild a product that you've built in the wrong way. Or you  fail fast and cheap. And every entrepreneur's first goal should be to fail fast and cheap. know that sounds backwards, but that should be your goal is that you can fail fast and cheap or if you 07:42 If you fail to fail fast and cheap, that means you've found a path to revenue  and  product market fit. And now you know you have a viable business. making the investment to build the product  is a no brainer.  And you came upon this methodology, right? Yes.  because you did yourself when you had your first company, you did not understand the funding part, right?  Can you talk? 08:12 a bit about your specific example and then how that's informed now 17 years of techies and over 90 projects with startups. Okay. So my first company was Bootstrap. Okay.  And that one was successful and we grew it despite  me, it was me and a partner. And  despite ourselves, we grew it  over eight years. 08:39 where he ended up with 800 customers in 22 countries and sold it to a publicly traded firm out of Toronto. That was in the product food, snack food distribution business because that was what our product was focused on. So I started another company about five years later, not realizing the things that I did the first time. 09:08 that made it  so successful,  which really fit the launch first model to a large degree.  But the second time I built a product that would have been successful had I followed my first model,  but I didn't. So I went the route of building an MVP and getting customers on a free version of it, and then going out and trying to raise money, which is the very classic approach that the SaaS products 09:38 take now.  And the problem is with that approach is that you end up digging a really deep hole  in terms of the investment that you make to build the product with enough functionality that you can convince people it's worth putting an investment in and you're not generating any revenue at the time. And I should have just started selling the product and generating subscription revenue right from the beginning. First of all, I would have been able to  raise money much more easily. 10:08 Secondly, I would have not needed to raise money as much if I'd focused on sales. The problem with a lot of founders is they fall in love with their product. They believe that people will buy it at enough numbers and that investors will see the potential. they're afraid of sales. I've fallen into this trap before too. I've done it both ways. And I can tell you selling early 10:38 and staying focused on the customer and the problem are the way to be successful. So founders who I find are consistently successful, they are focused on the problem, they love the problem. The product is just the natural conclusion to solving the problem, not something to be in love with. They spend their time talking to customers about the problems.  So how does a potential customer find you and work with you? 11:08 Oh, they can find me at Techies or they can find me at LaunchFirst, was spelled launch1st.com. And they can find me on LinkedIn. And then to work with me, it's just give me a call, send me an email, we'll set up a Zoom. I'll start to learn about what you're trying to accomplish and what your requirements are. And I'll typically spend quite a bit of time with any potential clients. 11:39 in  one to usually multiple calls or Zooms, learning and  creating estimates and doing a lot of work in advance with the idea that there'll be a natural conclusion at the end of this that they'll wanna start working with me in a paid fashion. So there's a lot of value that my clients get from me whether they end up contracting me or not.  And how, again, back to,  thank you for that and that. 12:08 how to contact you will be in the show notes. But what types of sectors do you work in?  You know, in your introduction, I talk about high ticket B2B, right?  who are the,  so  what founder that's has some idea today?  What would be  their call to action to find techies? And what would you, is it launch first before you go down? 12:35 No, it's not necessarily. It may be an existing company that  is trying to implement AI or implement workflow automation, or they have a project and they don't have the IT team or capacity to handle it.  We love those types of projects. It might be an existing startup that is struggling with their software development team and they're not 13:04 getting  to the end goal that they're expecting and the product's buggy, it's taking too long,  there's constant delays, they're way over budget  and they  need to get this thing done. And  I call those recovery projects,  they're probably my favorite because people  recognize very quickly  the difference  that we bring. 13:33 and they really, really appreciate us.  As far as what sectors,  business sectors,  healthcare, law enforcement,  prop tech, real estate, finance,  entertainment, I mean, we work in  many, many different sectors over the last 18 years.  So  regardless in  B2B, B2B2C,  not so much e-commerce unless there's some 14:03 complex workflow associated with your particular e-commerce, but there's lots of really good solutions for e-commerce that  don't require developers to be involved.  But  mobile, web, IoT,  definitely everything is AI now. Absolutely. And in fact, when we last spoke,  I'd like to say that you started to drink your own Kool-Aid at Techies. 14:33 you're starting to actually use AI automation for internal functions as well as projects at Techies. So can you walk my listeners through how you're using  AI automation  and what's the latest with agentic AI?  So let's do the first.  Yeah,  okay.  So there are a bunch of questions there. So  let me start with 15:02 that we're building products internally  at Techies to help us with our own workflows.  These products though  are  applicable to almost any development company or any company with a development team.  Some of them are, and some of them are applicable to companies that are, well, so one product  is  putting voice capability in front of project management tool. 15:32 and we use JIRA and JIRA is an incredibly technical tool for project managers and development teams to use to  their projects, requirements, their  track bugs, all of that.  And so your relationship with what I call relationship with project management is very technical one. If you're a client, some clients are willing to  go through the learning curve so that they can enter their own... 15:59 bugs and feature requests and things like that directly into JIRA. Most don't.  They  want to send us emails, which is fine,  and just give us a list of what's going on and the problems that they're finding or the things that they need  for a future version and the planning and the documentation, everything else. This is a real technical thing. We're going to make it a very natural personal relationship by  adding voice in front of all this so that you can 16:29 be sharing your screen with your little voice app and say, just found a problem on the screen.  And  the voice app can see the screen. It knows your project. It knows your requirements. And it can identify problems on the screen that you may not have even noticed.  And it can also prevent you from reporting bugs that have already been reported and tell you when they're planned to be built.  And all of this just with a verbal discussion with the app. 16:58 that basically knows your project.  Kind of like talking to a project manager in real time, but they don't have to write down notes and  they can instantly  look up anything about your project in terms of what's been reported in terms of bugs or feature requests  and update them or create new ones for you or just report them to you and tell you when things are planned to be built and released or. 17:24 where they've already been released and maybe you need to clear your cache so you can see the change, whatever.  Yeah. So it be like an  avatar, but it's trained and it's  specific to Jira  in your case?  In the first version, it's actually being built architected so that we'll be able to add other project management tools to it besides Jira in the future.  to begin with, because we use Jira,  it's going to work directly with Jira to start. 17:54 And this, by the way, you asked about agentic workflows,  right? So we're  building an agentic workflow  in this tool where we have more  different agents  that work together to resolve these issues.  so we have an agent that reads and writes documentation to JIRA.  We have an agent that communicates with  the user and the user might be the programmer 18:23 might be a person in QA, it might be a client for a lot of different things. And we have an analyst agent that when the person talks, the voice agent says to the analyst agent, here's what I understand. Here's the information I just got. Go do your work and come back and get me the answer. And it'll speak to the JIRA agent to get the information. It will also speak directly to us. 18:52 a vector database, which is a database where all the documentation from that project  is ingested into our own  separate AI model so that the context of all the communication is about their project and doesn't go off into other directions.  And then can  get back. So this is an agentic workflow.  The idea of 19:20 agents is like everybody keeps talking about agents. Not everybody is really clear on what that even means. Can you define  that?  an agent is an AI  model  that you can interact with that is focused on  one specific area of expertise.  So if it's a travel agent, the word agent fits very well there, then their expertise would be on everything related to 19:49 travel and booking travel and looking up  options and comparing prices. And  that would be an AI  travel agent.  So that's very different from an AI project management agent, very different from an AI financial analyst agent.  So each agent specializes in its own area of expertise and may draw from specific 20:18 repositories of information that are  specific to that particular agent's area of expertise.  And they actually look from the perspective of that type of person, if it was a person. So,  and so they'll respond in a way that is consistent with how somebody who is a project manager would respond to you when you're talking to them, asking you questions about your requirements, knows what 20:46 information it needs to be able to assess it properly, things like that.  wouldn't be very good about travel because that's  not its area of expertise. Right.  So is it  common to have companies that are creating with their own large language model, right? Or their workflow processes internally to the company to create their own agent AI? 21:14 Or is there a marketplace now where you can say, want this type of agent to get in. This is a very basic question, but  do build it? Right. Or do you buy it? Or is it something in between? It's something in between.  So there are tools that allow you to  basically collect agents out there.  And there's a difference between an agent and a context.  Cause you hear a lot about model context switching and things like, don't know. 21:44 if your audience knows these things.  Or model context protocol. A context is not an agent, but it has some agent capabilities because it's kind of specializing your model in a certain area. But you would use this, but you're not, if it's a true agent, then  it's probably tied to its own vector database. 22:12 that gets trained with specific information. It might be company's information. It might be information, let's say if I'm a security agent, then I'm going to be trained on the entire NIST system as well as all of my security architecture that's currently in place. And that so that it could monitor and 22:41 assess instantly whether there's  security vulnerabilities, which you wouldn't ask Chet GPT to do that. No. Right? Because it couldn't. Because it doesn't know  anything about your organization or environment. And  it  really also doesn't know how to prioritize  what matters and what doesn't at any given moment. Whereas a  security agent, that would be what it does. 23:10 I don't know if I answered that question. Oh, bad thing about building or buying.  there are- Or something in between,  Yeah. So there are tools that you can use to build workflows  and  bring in different agents that already exist. And  you can use something like OpenAI or Claude  and  use it to create an agent and give it some intelligence and- 23:37 give it a specific, in this case, you're giving it a specific context.  You could even  tie a special machine learning database to it  and make it even more agentic in that way.  And then  build these workflows where you're  like, let's say a marketing workflow,  where you're saying you first go out and research all the people who are your  ideal customer profile. 24:07 I was going to say ICP, but I'm trying not to use acronyms because not everybody knows every acronym.  Ideal customer profile.  And then it finds all these people that fit your ideal customer profile. Then it says, well, which of these people  are  in the countries that I do business? And then it illuminates the ones that aren't. then which ones, and it may be using  the same agent or different agents to do this.  Then once it's nailed it down to the very discrete 24:37 set of customers. Now  the next step in the workflow is, okay, now  enrich their data  of these people to find their email and other ways of contacting them as well as other information about them so that I have a really full picture of what kind of activity are they active  socially? they speak? Do they post? What are they speaking about? What are they posting about? What events are they going to? Things like that. 25:07 So that would be the next step and that'd be an agent that's doing all the enriching.  And then after that, the next step would be to call basically call a writing agent to go do, am I writing an email? Am I writing a LinkedIn connection post? Am I doing both?  Set up a drip campaign and start reaching out to these people one at a time  with very customized specific language, right? That  is in your voice. 25:34 It doesn't sound like it's written by a typical AI outreach thing. All right, so these would be  steps in a workflow that you could use with several different tools to build the workflows and then calling these different agents. 25:48 Let's go back to the launched first. What would be a typical engagement with a company? you know, they, um, the founders that have the greatest success in your experiences are the ones that love the problem space and not the product. All right. So walk my listeners through. 26:17 What a typical engagement. it's staff augmentation. it  full out  outsourcing? it tech?  because it's very complex. I can touch so many. can touch high  tech and high ticket B2B products,  sector agnostic. what,  put some legs on this for my listeners, please. Sure, sure. We're not. 26:46 so much a staff augmentation company, although we'll do that if asked to, but that's not  the kind of business that we  look for.  We look for project type work. So a typical engagement for launch first would be  somebody wants to launch a product, they're in the concept phase. We help refine the concept and we build out,  help that we do the design and then we build a high fidelity prototype, which is a design prototype. 27:16 When I demo a design prototype to somebody, they think that they're looking at a finished product,  but  it's not. It doesn't actually do anything. It just looks like it  does everything.  So it's very animated set of mock-ups is another way to look at it.  And it's important because you can build out the big vision of the product this way in a couple of months, whereas 27:46 it takes instead of, you so you're looking at the two year roadmap when we're done of the product. If we were to build an MVP, then you're going to see a very limited view of the product and it's going to cost a lot more to build that MVP than it takes to build this design prototype. Now we're in the process of doing this. We're also nailing down who that early adopter is. And there's a, there's a very, 28:14 metrics driven methodology for doing this.  your launch first. Within launch first, right. Okay. All right. And then  we'll help the client build a marketing funnel and help them start to generate sales.  We're not doing the selling, they're doing the selling. And it's important that founders do the selling because they need to hear what customers are saying about the thing they're demoing, why they want it, why they don't. 28:43 So that  if we need to pivot, which we can do easily and quickly with a design prototype,  then we can  pivot and then go and test the model again, two or three or four times in the space of a couple of months.  And we'll either find a path to revenue or accept the fact that this probably isn't the right product for the right time.  But in the process of doing this, you're learning a lot about the market and about the potential customer. 29:13 I want to be clear about something. Almost every founder that comes to  that I meet with, they love the product, not the problem. They started out with a problem that they realized they had a good solution for and they forgot all about the problem at that point. And so I spend a lot of time with founders  reminding them why the  problem is all that matters  and what that means and how to approach customers, potential customers so that 29:41 you're syncing with their problems, not telling them about this product that you're building because nobody cares about your product. All they care about is what they're struggling with.  And if they believe that you really understand that, then they  care about whether you can solve that problem for them or 30:01 And can  I be  audacious and ask you what a typical engagement duration is like? So this would be for launch first. Yes. If it's a,  and our hope is that they'll  find a path to revenue and start building the product and engage us for the development. Cause that's really our business is building the products.  So, but it's not a requirement.  And,  and our typical engagement with our clients are several years. 30:32 Not all of them, but most of them, would say. Once they start working with us, they just continue to work with us until they decide to bring in their own in-house team  or they fail eventually, which many of our clients do, which is why I  created Launch First. Right. You often talk about your hyper exceptional team at Techies. What is it that's so highly exceptional? Talk to me about your team. Where are they? Yeah. 31:02 And if you go to my website, which is tekyz.com,  you'll see at the very top of it  in the header above the fold, it says hyper exceptional development team. And I don't expect people to believe me  because I write that down or I tell them that I expect them to ask me, well, what does that mean? Do you have evidence? And  that's the question I want to get because I do.  Because when you work in an exceptional manner, 31:31 as a natural consequence of working that way, you produce certain artifacts  that the typical development teams don't produce. And I'm not saying there aren't other exceptional teams, but they're really few and far between. And what makes a team exceptional is a constant need to  improve their ability to deliver  and the level of quality that they deliver as well and the speed at which they develop. It's all of these things. 31:59 So,  and, you know, after 18 years, we've done a lot of improving and a lot of automation internally,  because  that allows our team to work in a really disciplined protocol manner without having to feel like they're under the strict  discipline and protocol of,  you  know, a difficult environment to work in.  And so we  create automation everywhere we can. The voice... 32:27 tool is one of those automations.  The way we  do status reports, it's very clear at the level of detail that we provide every week  to every client in terms of status reports  where we're showing here's what we estimated, here's the actual, here's our percent variance  on how much time we spent and how much it's costing.  We want to always be within 10 % above or below. 32:56 Either  being above or below is not,  know,  the fact that we're ahead of that doesn't necessarily mean that's a good thing, right? So we want to be accurate with our estimates.  And we are typically within 10%. In fact, our largest customer last year, we did a retrospective and we were within six and a half percent of what our estimates were for the whole year.  and that's a,  we're pretty happy with that number. 33:24 I think most teams are looking at many, many times that in terms of variance.  it's not that uncommon for teams to be double or triple what they're or even higher what the actual estimate was. So  when we do invoicing, we invoice for each person at their rate. 33:50 based on their level of expertise, which is all part of our agreement upfront. So the client is very transparent every month for the hours that they work. And we attach the daily time sheets to every invoice. I'm the only company I know of right now that does that. I know there are others. I've seen monthly, but I've never seen daily. Yeah. Yeah. Because for me, if I could ask, well, 34:18 why did this person ask a work that many hours that last month? What did they do? I hate that feeling that I get when somebody asks that question. I know they're only asking because they have to justify it to somebody else or whatever the reason, but I don't like the way it feels because it feels like my integrity is being questioned. I don't get upset at people for asking me that. I just feel like I'm not giving them enough information if they have to ask me that question. So we started about eight years ago. 34:47 providing the daily time sheets because I don't like that question. And we never get questioned on our  invoices ever anymore. I bet you it's informed you  as well in  future  projects,  maybe on  including workflow automation in your own internal processes, right? When you see people's time sheets, right? And you've gone over budget. So it informs you internally. So it's not only for the client. 35:16 I suspect, right? No, it's not. Right. And we use it ourselves to also, because it also helps us looking at our overhead costs because not everything gets built to the client. And so we track all our own times, you know, what we're spending doing what. And we don't get to, it's not like a developer has to spend a lot of time or a QA person or whatever, putting in a lot of detail. We just need a couple of bullets, you know, every day in the time sheet with the, whatever they spend. 35:45 If they spent four hours on one thing and three on another, they'll just break it into two entries just to make it easy.  And that's important for us, or they may be working on two different projects and each project. So when we do the timesheets also every month, we give our clients a breakdown by project. So if we're working on four different projects  for a client  or even one project, but it has four different really 36:15 functional elements that are very clearly different. Like let's say a mobile app and a web app  and a  particular client implementation. Each one of those gets assigned its own project and we break down summaries of the time spent on each of those every month and who spent the time on those, along with the daily time sheets, along with the invoice.  And nobody else does that because it takes a lot of discipline and protocol and you have to have lot of systems in place 36:45 to do that without  literally getting everybody to quit, right? That works for you. And nobody minds doing it because it's easy because of all the systems we put in place to do that.  That's the whole point, right? Right. were  not particularly happy of getting asked that question oftentimes. So eight years ago, you set out to  provide the information on a daily basis, which is incredible.  We started that with blended rates like a lot of companies do. 37:14 And then I didn't like that because at the end of a project when most of it's QA, people would start to get frustrated that they're still getting billed the same blended rate, even though for the more expensive period at the beginning of the project,  I thought, okay, forget this. Well, just bill based on individual.  And then I didn't get those questions anymore, but then I would get questions about individuals on the month. And that's when I started doing the time sheets. 37:43 And like I said, I'm sure there's other companies that do it, but I haven't run into  one or somebody that works with one. So  that's an exceptional thing that we do. But it also allows us to do  really, really good reporting to the client on status on what we've spent our time on, what we're expecting to spend our time on  next week, what we just spent our time on this week, where we are. 38:12 in terms of our plan for the month, things like that.  So let's switch gears, David.  Yeah. Back to  actually the podcast and  some of my guests and listeners  are corporate board directors. So they're sitting on either advisory boards or fiduciary corporate boards.  And with all the hype around AI. 38:39 it's not uncommon for them to be asking, what are we doing, right? For existing companies, right? And  I'd like you to walk my listeners through while it's in the, you know,  in the imaginary realm, what is it? I think any founder today that's actually scaling, right? Has to have some AI element. At least I've even heard you need to have it. 39:08 an AI officer in the company. So what's your take on that? What would you respond to either to your board of advisors, your advisory board, or your board of directors?  So,  and of course, a lot of it depends on the type of company you are. Absolutely. Right. If  you're making  alternative material I-beams, for example,  for skyscraper construction, then 39:37 AI, other than maybe in the design process of these specialized materials,  AI may not be as big a critical factor, although for invoice reconciliation and  distribution and  scheduling and all that, AI could be a huge value to you if you don't have super efficient systems already.  For most everybody else though, if you have not embraced the need to 40:06 leverage AI and everything you're doing,  then you're way behind already.  That doesn't mean you have to be in a race to do this. just, because  I'm  of the belief that  you have to slow down to speed up. But you do need to make it a priority.  And in a lot of different ways. Number one is, 40:36 The most obvious is workflow automation. You should be probably tackling  workflow automation as just a part of your constant improvement program  to become more efficient, whether it's with AI or not.  But AI is particularly good at workflow automation  because it can tackle steps in that workflow that couldn't be tackled without AI.  So the  first thing 41:06 the companies should be doing if they're not doing it is documenting all of their processes,  all of their tribal knowledge into playbooks. So when you have somebody who's an expert in something in your company and they're the person who's the only one that knows how to do it and so we can't live without them, that's a bottleneck for scaling. Because if you bring somebody else in to expand their capacity, they're going to... 41:32 put a big dependency on that person with all the expertise, which is going to cause problems.  So  anybody in a position like that should be documenting all of their  procedures and protocols and especially all the nuances and all the edge cases into playbooks.  And there should be some centralized playbook repository for the company. And this becomes part of your intellectual property and part of your value if you ever 42:02 you're trying to raise money or you're trying to sell your company. So it increases your value. So you do that, then AI,  you start to look at automating those workflows because now they're documented. So now what can be automated in them from just a workflow automation perspective. And then how much can you implement AI in there? Because now AI can learn to make the same kinds of decisions that this person is making. 42:31 And this is like the low hanging fruit that I'm talking about right now. Right. Exactly. Right. Because the bigger stuff is if we implement AI in here, what workflows would we totally  throw away and start from scratch?  Because we can think of way more sophisticated ways of addressing this now that we have intelligence involved in all these steps.  But that's later. 42:57 worry about that once you get your arms around implementing AI,  automated workflows and then- So workflow automation. So playbooks, workflows and AI in your automated workflows. That's sort of the stepped wise process. Excellent. You heard it here  on the founder sandbox. Thank you, David.  And if you're not sure how to do all that, 43:25 ask AI, okay, here's my company. What should I be focusing on if I wanna implement playbooks, workflow automation and AI? And AI will help you figure this all out. Right. That's a jewel here. So what'd you do? Chat GBT, co-pilot, what's your complexity? Where would you go to? All right. Well, it just depends on the flavor of the day. Right now. 43:53 I was using chat GPT primarily for this stuff just because it was a first and I'm very comfortable with the apps. have them everywhere. And Claude's recently come out with a  new version and it's in some ways I'm just finding the output way more organized and smarter. And so I've been using Claude more in the last couple of weeks, but that'll change in another week or two.  Any one of them will do a pretty decent job. 44:21 I'm  not using perplexity because it's built on top of the other ones.  But perplexity is a great tool if you're newer with this because it makes some of the... It's a little bit more accessible for somebody who doesn't know how to use AI.  Gemini is also  really good, but that's  more of a technical... And there's so many things you can do. 44:49 with AI that you wouldn't even think about. And I'll give you an example, more as a brain opening exercise for everybody than anything else. Because this is something I did about seven weeks ago.  I,  chat GPT had just come out a week or two before with their vision capability in the mobile app. And for  those of you who don't know it,  with chat GPT, there's a talk 45:19 button. It's not  the microphone. It's the one that looks like a sound wave  in the mobile app. You tap that, and now you have a voice conversation with chat, which I use this constantly. Even when I'm working with,  I've got some contractors at my house whose English isn't very good, so I ask it to do real-time translation for me. And it does matter the language.  And I start talking, and it translates to their language. And they respond 45:49 in their language and it translates to English and it's doing it perfectly. And so I can have a very natural conversation with anybody just holding my phone up in front of them now.  Right?  But it has this vision capability  where when you go into that voice mode, you tap the camera next to it, and now it's looking out the front of your screen while you're talking to it. And so I'll give you a couple of examples where I've used it  six weeks ago and again, like 46:18 weeks later and I now used it many times like this.  I was in  Lowe's, which is a  store for home improvement.  And  for some project I was on, my wife calls me and says, I need fertilizer for a hibiscus. And I say, well, what do I get? She says, anything that says hibiscus on it, it'll be fine. I said, okay, fine. And if anybody that knows these big box stores, there's like hundreds of bags of fertilizer of different brands. 46:48 And I couldn't find one that said hibiscus. This is a typical thing with my wife. Oh, just look for this. And of course, there isn't that. So I asked Chess GPT, okay, I'm in  Lowe's  and I'm looking for a fertilizer for hibiscus.  What would you suggest? And it said, oh, there's a number of brands that are high acid.  And I said, we'll recommend a brand. Tonal is a really good brand. And I said, okay. So I'm looking and I can't find it. 47:18 So I walked 30 feet back and I'm talking, right? I'm having this, know, people are looking at me like, what the hell is he doing? And I walked 30 feet back because there's many, many shelves, you know, columns of shelves with fertilizer. I walked back and I turned on the vision and I say, okay, there's all the fertilizers. And I'm moving my phone across all these shelves. say, do you see tonal here? And it says, yes, look for the one in the red and white bag. 47:48 And  I see it on the shelf. So I walk straight forward. see a red and white bag. That's not tonal. said, this isn't it. And she, cause it's a woman's voice that I have, she says,  it's two shelves to the left, second from the top.  I walk over there and it's right where she said it was. Crazy. And you're not a beta user. So this is available today. This is available. It's been available for a couple of months. And then 48:18 My daughter-in-law asked me to get something from the pharmacy, from CVS, another  big box pharmacy store, right? And this is something I don't even know if I'm in the right aisle because it's something I've never bought. So I ask it, I say, I'm looking for this brand  and I'm not sure if I'm in the right aisle or not, but I'm going to walk down the aisle and tell me if you see it. As I'm walking down the aisle, holding it straight forward so it can see both sides.  And it says, well, 48:45 Yes, I'm familiar with the brand. You should look for it in a green and white box. then she goes like this. Oh, I see it. It's down there on the right on the bottom shelf. And I turn and I look and it's right by my right foot. 48:58 You heard it here. This is crazy. think it's a bit creepy.  How many times have you been looking for something on a shelf? You know, and you're like, oh, how long, how many hours is this going to take me to spot it?  Good internet connection and all that. So, oh my goodness. It's creepy and it's wonderful. So  same time.  the same time. Yeah. Yeah. For quality of life and even for,  um, yeah.  So 49:25 That's a mind opening thing is all the reason I bring that up. Excellent. Hey, let's go. Let's continue on in the founder sandbox. I'd like to ask each of my guests to  share with me.  I'm all about working with resilient, purpose driven and scalable companies in the growth phase. So what does resilience mean to you? You can either answer, you know, what's the first thing that comes out of your, you cannot use chat, GBT. I'm not fancy. No hands. 49:55 No hands, and I don't have the voice version going because you'd hear it. Podcast we could do it.  And we are real. We're not. Yeah, we are real. We're not. So I think that's, I don't think that's a difficult question to answer. Resilience means opportunity. So no matter what happens, even if it seems terrible, what  opportunity does that create? Excellent. If you ask that. 50:22 keep reframing everything from that perspective,  it creates resilience. Right. Thank you. What about purpose-driven?  Purpose-driven  means having  a clear  long-term path and goal  and  asking yourself if the things you're doing keep you on purpose to that. 50:56 Scalable. What's scalable mean for you? Scalable for me means  eliminating tribal knowledge or not eliminating it, but documenting tribal knowledge.  First of all, figuring out how you generate revenue and then how you expand your ability to generate revenue, which means growing your 51:25 growing your team, growing your capacity  and identifying the bottlenecks and focusing all your energy on the bottlenecks. And usually the bottlenecks have to do  with tribal knowledge or with  lack of workflow automation. Wow, you know, it's easier said than done though, that tribal knowledge, it is resistant, right? Oh yeah,  because it's  career,  what's the word I'm trying to think of? 51:55 It  keeps you in your job forever if you're the only one that knows how to do the thing. Absolutely. That's for another podcast, David. My  final question today is,  did you have fun in the Founder Sandbox? Oh, yes.  I had a lot of fun. Thanks. That's a great question too. Thank you, Brenda. Did you have fun? 52:20 Did you? I had had fun. And particularly in this last part, right? Cause we're talking about some heavy duty, you know, uses of, um, agentic AI, right. And scalable, you know, LTV, CAC and all that. And then we get to hear these real life, you know, kind of creepy, um, uh, uses of, um, on our phones today with, um, with AI, which is, which is quite amazing. But I also know that in your world of techies, 52:50 your team, which is distributed, have a lot of fun events too. So you probably- have one more thing on the whole scalable thing. You have to be compassionately ruthless or ruthlessly compassionate, however you want to say it. Okay. So that the people, every, and the ruthless is anything that's going to get in the way of you growing your company, which benefits everybody in the company. 53:19 it needs to be addressed in a ruthless way. But if you build a culture of ruthlessly compassionate, then all the people that work for you feel that same level of ruthlessness to protect the company and make it grow. And you practice what you preach, I suspect, at Techies. Yes. Yes. It took me a while, but if we accidentally hire the wrong person, either because 53:45 we made a mistake in the process or they faked us out and we recognize they're not smart enough. Literally, that's usually the problem. They're not smart enough to carry their weight. We fire them immediately. We don't try to bring them along because you can't improve somebody's IQ. You can improve any other aspect, but their IQ is their IQ.  And  that will be a bottleneck forever. 54:13 in our team and it'll require other people to carry that person. And it sends the wrong message to the team that I don't value them enough to make sure that we only surround them with people that are going to inspire them and help them grow. Excellent. And I suspect they are not fungible by AI, your employees, not techies. I mean, we've gotten better and better. 54:40 at not making those mistakes over the years. So that doesn't typically happen. takes us, we're much more careful about how we hire.  AI gives us the ability to recruit faster, more broadly,  along with workflow automation. But  what I mean by real, this is the compassionate. Once my team understood this, now they embody that and  they will get rid of somebody if they made a mistake. I don't have to force the issue ever anymore because 55:10 they recognize how much, important it is to protect their teams. So to my listeners, if you liked this episode today with the CEO and founder of Techies, sign up for the monthly release of founders, business owners, corporate directors, and professional service providers who provide their examples of how they're building companies or consulting with companies  to make them more resilient, scalable, and purpose-driven. 55:40 to make profits for good.  Signing off for today. See you next month in the Founder Sandbox. Thank you.  

When the COVID-19 pandemic hit in March 2020, Zoom went from steady growth to hyperscale almost overnight, even generating a backlog of a million tickets. Sarah Riley was a finance leader in the company at the time. She joins CJ to talk about what she learned from the experience and how it impacted her in her current role as CFO of dbt Labs. She also explains the influence of Helmer's Seven Powers framework on her strategic decisions. The discussion covers how Sarah's evolved pricing models, and helped bring product-led and sales-led growth together into a single go-to-market strategy at dbt Labs. She breaks down how she uses big systems thinking to build out a finance org, how to create healthy off-ramps for pilots, and what's actually okay to break when “moving fast and breaking stuff”. She also touches on the current use cases for AI in finance and for turning your team from “doers to reviewers”.—LINKS:Sarah Riley on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahjriley/dbt Labs: https://www.getdbt.com7 Powers: The Foundations of Business Strategy: https://7powers.com/CJ on X (@cjgustafson222): https://x.com/cjgustafson222Mostly metrics: http://mostlymetrics.comRELATED EPISODES:Wasted Capital and Where to Find It: The CFO's Guide to Spoilage Levers Leakages: —TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Preview and Intro(02:18) Sponsor – Pulley | Navan | NetSuite(05:53) Being at Zoom at the Start of the Pandemic(10:14) Challenges Caused by the Influx of Customers(14:06) Takeaways From Sarah's Time at Zoom: M&A and Build Versus Buy(15:49) Sponsor – Planful | Tabs | Rippling Spend(19:38) Taking Advantage of Your High Share Price for M&A(20:56) What dbt Labs Does(24:27) Pricing Evolutions at dbt Labs: Freemium and Open-Source(27:51) Seat-Based, Usage-Based, Hybrid, or Outcome-Based Pricing(30:27) Pros and Cons of a Free Component(32:17) Finance and Sales in dbt's Evolving Go-to-Market Strategy(34:09) The Evolution of dbt Labs' ICP(35:09) The Helmer 7 Powers Framework(40:39) Being a Big Systems Thinker While Building a Finance Org(44:16) Moving and Iterating Quickly: Creating Healthy Off-Ramps for Pilots(46:19) What You Can and Can't Break When “Moving Fast and Breaking Stuff”(47:32) The Current State of AI and Use Cases in Finance(51:20) Long-Ass Lightning Round: Boundary Definition(52:08) Advice to Younger Self(52:56) Finance Software Stack(55:20) Craziest Expense Story—SPONSORS:Pulley is the cap table management platform built for CFOs and finance leaders who need reliable, audit-ready data and intuitive workflows, without the hidden fees or unreliable support. Switch in as little as 5 days and get 25% off your first year: pulley.com/mostlymetrics.Navan is the all-in-one travel and expense solution that helps finance teams streamline reconciliation, enforce policies automatically, and gain real-time visibility. It connects to your existing cards and makes closing the books faster and smarter. Visit navan.com/Runthenumbers for your demo.NetSuite is an AI-powered business management suite, encompassing ERP/Financials, CRM, and ecommerce for more than 41,000 customers. If you're looking for an ERP, head to https://netsuite.com/metrics and get the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning.Planful's financial planning software can transform your FP&A function. Built for speed, accuracy, and confidence, you'll be planning your way to success and have time left over to actually put it to work. Find out more at www.planful.com/metrics.Tabs is a platform that brings all of your revenue-facing data and workflows - billing, AR, payments, rev rec, and reporting - onto a single system so you can automate and be more flexible. Find out more at: tabs.inc/metrics.Rippling Spend is a spend management software that gives you complete visibility and automated policy controls across every type of spend, saving you time and money. Get a demo to see how much time your org would save at rippling.com/metrics.#hypergrowth #7Powers #FinanceStrategy #bigsystemsthinking #GoToMarketStrategy Get full access to Mostly metrics at www.mostlymetrics.com/subscribe

#ScrubHopTalk Ep. 244 - Cotton complains about the length of the podcast, but spends so much time complaining about it that he becomes the cause of the extended time of the show. We stumble onto an article about a company that fills potholes, and they like to use some very tongue-in-cheek language to describe their process for filling said holes. We take a deep dive into J's most recent haul of Murder Dog magazines and talk about the depths he's willing to go for even the most brief mention of ICP. @troxy_cotton @scrubhopking @bigtrox303 #ScrubHop #TitanUp#fillingholesexpeditiouslyandwithcare#theyareacoverstoryyouassholeScrub Hop Talk is a weekly show with JDirty, Big Trox, and Troxy Cotton. The boys bring you their take on life and pop culture, reacting to crazy videos, and showcasing a different song from their catalog every week. Brand new episodes air here at YouTube.com/ScrubHop every Sunday night at 5pm Pacific time.Please comment, like, and subscribe!For more information, visit ScrubHop.com to learn all about the music and join the movement.Big Trox's hat selection this week is brought to you by Young Wicked.Visit Howard's 3D Prints for all your 3D printing needs!https://www.instagram.com/howards3dprintsThis week's song:JDirty - "Have We Met"https://open.spotify.com/track/1Wpkcb085EfXuANUESJJKV?si=723e16008d1246daBuy the merch at:http://ScrubHopShop.bigcartel.comFollow the socials at:@ScrubHop on EVERYTHING!JDirty:http://scrubhop.com/jdirtyhttp://instagram.com/scrubhopkinghttp://twitter.com/jdirty303http://facebook.com/JDirty303Big Trox:http://scrubhop.com/bigtroxhttp://instagram.com/bigtrox303Troxy Cotton:http://scrubhop.com/troxycottonhttp://instagram.com/troxy_cottonhttp://twitter.com/TroxyCottonhttp://facebook.com/TroxyCottonCOWant to create live streams like this? Check out StreamYard: https://streamyard.com/pal/d/63973928...

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we revisit the discussion with Matt Maloney, SVP of Global Sales at Fireblocks, to dissect a critical lesson in sales leadership: the unwavering focus on hitting the number. Maloney recounts a pivotal mentoring moment at CloudLock that reshaped his approach to sales strategy, team structure, and market calibration. The episode also explores common missteps in early-stage startups—like trying to pursue too many use cases or building teams misaligned with the product's true market fit. It's a candid and practical masterclass for CROs, sales leaders, and founders navigating go-to-market chaos.KEY TAKEAWAYS[00:01:52] The #1 job of a sales leader isn't building teams—it's figuring out how to hit the number.[00:02:41] Calibration of resources is critical: Balance dominance in core markets with smart expansion into emerging ones.[00:03:41] A hard lesson: Building the wrong sales team for the product's actual market fit can derail everything.[00:04:24] Why focusing on 3-4 key use cases is more effective than spreading thin across many[00:05:50] Avoid copying old playbooks—be objective about your current product and ICP[00:06:35] Collaborate with technical founders: Align sales goals, use data, and define outlier strategies together.[00:07:24] Operating without a clear ICP is dangerous—know how to scale, train, and forecast from it.QUOTES[00:02:15] "Your job is not to build an enterprise sales team or an SMB team—it's to build the right team to hit the number.[00:03:41] "I was convinced our guiding light was to build an enterprise team. What I didn't realize was that our product was really suited for mid-market."[00:05:08] "You can't build world-class products, marketing, or sales training for 13 use cases. Focus is everything.[00:07:00] "Outliers are okay, but you need a plan for them. Don't pretend they're your core ICP."[00:07:47] "If you can't identify your ICP and scale from it, you're operating in dangerous water."Listen to the full conversation through the link below.https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/blockchain-the-future-of-finance-with-matt-maloney-loysynttEnjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox:https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0Check out John McMahon's book here:Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4Check out Force Management's Ascender platform here: https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/

Episode SummaryOn this episode of the OnBase Podcast, Gabe Rogol dives into how AI agents are reshaping go-to-market strategies and reveals what Demandbase 4.0 brings to the table. Gabe outlines the evolution of account-based marketing, the need for open and flexible platforms, and where automation meets human creativity in redefining the modern sales and marketing landscape. Whether you're a sales leader, marketer, or just curious about AI's role in B2B, this episode delivers thought-provoking clarity and actionable takeaways.Key TakeawaysDemandbase 4.0 marks a shift from closed platforms to open, flexible, AI-assisted go-to-market systems.AgentBase enables faster, smarter GTM through assisted automation built on unified first- and third-party data.AI won't replace SDRs, but will augment them—human creativity and relationships still matter most.Over-automation risks fragmentation and spam if agents aren't aligned across functions.Leads and last-touch attribution are outdated; pipeline creation is the new GTM North Star.Data quality is critical—bad CRM data can sabotage AI-driven decisions.Sales and marketing must act as one team, aligned around outcomes, not functions.Trust and transparency are foundational to a successful, scalable GTM model.Personalization still matters, but only when targeting the right ICP.Marketing deserves more investment, not just for efficiency, but to unlock real growth.Quotes“Trust is foundational to alignment. Without trust, the entire go-to-market process breaks down.”Best Moments 00:37 Shifting Into Phase FourGabe outlines the concept and exciting features of Demandbase 4.0, detailing the open and automated future of ABM.03:27 The Soapbox Moment"Aligning go-to-market resources with the accounts that have the greatest lifetime value" as the core of success.06:39 What AgentBase Makes PossibleGabe discusses how AI agents democratize complex tasks like segmentation, orchestration, and funnel tracking.16:57 The Risks of AI AgentsGabe cautions about amplified risks from bad data and the danger of fragmented go-to-market strategies.24:56 The New GTM PlaybookRoles across sales, marketing, and operations converge around pipeline creation for unified success.30:09 The Power of PersonalizationGabe advocates for thoughtful personalization to the right audience over shallow attempts at scaling outreach.Tech RecommendationsObsidian (Zettelkasten Tool) – A robust digital note-taking system for organizing non-linear ideas and linking essential insights across topics.Resource RecommendationsHarvard Business Review (HBR) Compilations: Collections on decision-making, agile processes, and AI insights, offering concise and actionable advice for B2B professionals.Shoutouts:Marc Benioff - Chair & CEO at SalesforceAbout the GuestAs the Chief Executive Officer of Demandbase, Gabe is responsible for fulfilling the company's mission of transforming how B2B companies go-to-market.Since joining Demandbase in 2012, he has been committed to setting the product and corporate strategy for the company. Throughout his two-plus-decade career, Gabe has held various leadership positions, including managing world-class customer service and sales teams at IDG and other leading publishers. He received his BA in Comparative Literature and Russian Language and Literature from Brown University.Connect with Gabe.

On this episode of CRO Spotlight, host Warren Zenna sits down with lighting-rod revenue leader Jessica Robertson, Chief Revenue Officer at Orbb. After first connecting at a lively CRO roundtable, they unpack a conversation that could have lasted hours—touching on business philosophy, sales innovation, and the evolving role of relationships in growth. Tune in to discover why Jessica's intelligence and empathy make her a standout leader in today's noisy market.Jessica traces her rise from a teenage sales development representative to spearheading revenue as Orbb's CRO, reflecting on a decade spent mastering sales leadership across multiple industries. From navigating complex enterprise cycles to running thousands of monthly transactions, she explains how a puzzle-shaped mind fueled her creativity before sharpening it with data-driven rigor. Learn how empathetic listening, agile experimentation, and strategic analytics blended in her approach to drive authentic growth.They dive into the nuts and bolts of designing scalable revenue operations: defining an ideal customer profile, segmenting ICP tiers, mapping clear funnel stages, and choosing a flexible CRM that grows with you. Jessica emphasizes starting with precise targeting over mass outreach, building functional pipelines grounded in relationship intelligence, and iterating relentlessly by capturing first-party email and calendar data to combat peak noise, maintain data hygiene, and prioritize real connections.In the final segment, they explore the future of outbound outreach: leveraging email and calendar metadata to surface genuine champions and establish a relationship funnel that complements traditional channels. Jessica unpacks Orbb's smart career overlap technology—how it uncovers verified networks to fuel warm introductions, reduce wasted touches, and unlock untapped pipelines. Host Warren Zenna closes with actionable insights to help current and aspiring CROs stay ahead in revenue intelligence.

In this episode, we welcome Jon Fogel—parenting educator, father of four, and author of Punishment-Free Parenting—to explore a transformative approach to raising children with empathy and connection. Jon shares his personal journey from frustration to understanding, revealing how traditional punishment-based methods can undermine trust and emotional growth.Together, we delve into:The distinction between punishment and natural consequences, and why this matters.The power of curiosity over anger in responding to children's challenging behaviors.Strategies for setting firm boundaries without resorting to threats or bribes.The importance of modeling emotional regulation to foster resilience in children.Jon's insights offer a compassionate roadmap for parents seeking to nurture emotionally healthy and confident kids. Whether you're navigating toddler tantrums or teenage turbulence, this conversation provides practical tools to build stronger, more respectful relationships within your family. Jon Fogel is a parenting educator and father of four, known for his practical, compassionate approach to raising kids without punishment. Through his platform, Whole Parent, and his book Punishment-Free Parenting, he helps caregivers build strong, respectful relationships rooted in connection and emotional safetyPatreonCome on over and join us on Patreon where we have bonus episodes, extra episode content , toolboxes , discounts for our courses, our ebook, a parent community and so much more - we would love to have you! Click here for more. Wanting more from ICP? Get 50 % off our annual membership with the coupon code: PODCAST5090+ courses on parenting and children's mental healthPrivate community where you can feel supportedWorkbooks, parenting scripts, and printablesMember-only Webinars Course Certificates for Continuing EducationAccess to our Certification ProgramLive Q & A Sessions for Parents & ProfesssionalsBi-Annual Parenting & Mental Health ConferencesDownloadable Social Media CollectionRobust Resource LibraryClick here for more . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What if you could clone your best team member... without ever hiring a new one?This is Part 2 of my live talk at the “Your Best Life” event in Las Vegas — and if you liked Part 1, buckle up.In this episode, I show you exactly how I'm using Ai to automate hiring, build new brands, write entire books, and even create full-blown software platforms in a single weekend.(Yes, really.)You'll hear how I replaced an outgoing integrator in 24 hours with a unicorn hire… then hired her #2 the very next day — using nothing but a ChatGPT prompt and my network.And I'll walk you through the four-part system I'm using to:Build productsWrite booksAutomate contentScale high-ticket offers……with fewer people, more profit, and less BS.KEY INSIGHTS & TAKEAWAYSThe Ai-Enhanced Hiring Hack Discover how I used ChatGPT to write a “unicorn” job ad in my own voice — and filled a mission-critical integrator role in less than 24 hours (plus her #2 the day after that).Shake-the-Trees Campaigns & High-Ticket Upsells Find out how I help businesses instantly generate high-value offers from their existing clients — including one health biz that went from $2K/year clients to $30K+ in days.Ai-First Content Workflows I show you how to build 10-slide social posts, dynamic presentations, entire books, and even functional software from a single blob of input.NotebookLM: Your Ai Brain-in-a-Box Train your own private AI with your content, and generate summaries, prep docs, legal training, customer research, or even synthetic podcast episodes in minutes.The $1K Cup of Coffee Funnel (Revealed) I break down the full-funnel that turns $1,000 consults into $100K+ clients. (It's not theory. It's working right now.)Synthetic Everything — And What It Means for You From podcast hosts to interactive demos and training tools, AI is cloning creators and coders faster than we can keep up. I'll show you how to ride the wave before it crashes over you.TIME STAMPS[00:00:00] Opening Shares from the RoomBreakthroughs from Part 1 – plus how attendees are already using the tools to build faster and smarter.[00:03:00] Ai for Personal Development, Hiring, and “Leverage Me”How one prompt wrote my integrator job ad, attracted a unicorn hire, and ensured I'll never get caught unprepared again.[00:06:56] Genspark Demo – Instant Content for Any BusinessFrom websites to social carousels and presentations – see how I create client-ready content in real time.[00:11:18] Shake-the-Trees Campaigns & High-Ticket UpsellsThe “Category of One” positioning and ICP framework that helps any business go from $2K to $30K offers with their best existing clients.[00:12:47] Training Your Own Ai with NotebookLMThe step-by-step on building your private Ai assistant – trained on your best sales calls, assets, docs, or books.[00:15:59] Real-Time Summaries and PodcastsHow to prep for meetings, summarize deals, and create conversational synthetic podcasts that talk back to you.[00:19:06] Ethics, Accuracy, and The Speed of TrustSynthetic content vs. real trust – why the winner is whoever builds the fastest connection with the most people.[00:25:42] Ai-Powered Book & Software CreationThe prompt that turned Dr. Steven Poulter's content into a bestselling book AND a prototype software app in under a day.[00:33:25] Building Funnels, Products, and Reports with AiThe full breakdown of my “$1K Cup of Coffee” campaign – including how I use Ai to create 80-page prep dossiers on every lead.[00:52:58] Personality Profiles, Future Visioning & ICPHow we predict ideal outcomes, create client readiness tools, and build conversion funnels with zero homework.[01:02:01] The Ai Accelerator OfferA limited-time package to train your team, build your funnels, and spend time with me solving your biggest business challenges.[01:07:20] Closing ThoughtsFinal call for action. Offers. Open Q&A. The moment that tied it all together.If you're serious about scaling smarter — with fewer people, more automation, and higher profits — you need to hear this.PS – When you're ready, here's how I can help: Get a copy of my New Digital Report, PROJECT SUPERPOWER, here: https://www.SuperpowerAccelerator.com/SuperJoin me for a Cup of Coffee at my Digital Cafe and discover your next big opportunity. This is where we can meet:https://www.MikeKoenigs.com/1kcoffeeSpend a day with me reinventing yourself and experiencing a massive personal and professional breakthrough. Watch this.

What is event-led growth, and how do you know if you're doing it?In part one of our event-led growth (ELG) series, Camille Arnold sits down with Alyssa Peltier, Rachel Andrews, and Felicia Asiedu to explore the question: Does a commitment to hosting events mean you're practicing event-led growth?Tune in to learn:What most marketers overlook when planning eventsThe key differences between "just doing events" and using an ELG strategyHow to identify your ICP and build an event strategy that benefits them Episode outline:(00:00) Meet Alyssa Peltier, Rachel Andrews, and Felicia Asiedu(05:12) The key traits of event-led growth(13:08) Understanding attendee behavior(20:52) The impact of events on customer relationships(25:14) Increase engagement through smaller, repeatable events(27:15) The conundrum of attribution ___________________________________________________________________If you enjoyed today's episode, let us know. Support our show by subscribing and leaving us a rating. If you would like to get in touch with our team or be a guest on our show, please email us at podcast@splashthat.com. We'd love to hear from you.Learn more about Splash: https://www.splashthat.comFollow Splash on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/splashthat-comTell us what you thought about the episode

Idiopathic intracranial hypertension (IIH) is characterized by symptoms and signs of unexplained elevated intracranial pressure (ICP) in an alert and awake patient. The condition has potentially devastating effects on vision, headache burden, increased cardiovascular disease risk, sleep disturbance, and depression.  In this episode, Teshamae Monteith, MD, FAAN speaks with Aileen A. Antonio, MD, FAAN, author of the article “Clinical Features and Diagnosis of Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension” in the Continuum® June 2025 Disorders of CSF Dynamics issue. Dr. Monteith is the associate editor of Continuum® Audio and an associate professor of clinical neurology at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine in Miami, Florida. Dr. Antonio is an associate program director of the Hauenstein Neurosciences Residency Program at Trinity Health Grand Rapids and an assistant clinical professor at the Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine in Lansang, Michigan. Additional Resources Read the article: Clinical Features and Diagnosis of Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension Subscribe to Continuum®: shop.lww.com/Continuum Earn CME (available only to AAN members): continpub.com/AudioCME Continuum® Aloud (verbatim audio-book style recordings of articles available only to Continuum® subscribers): continpub.com/Aloud More about the American Academy of Neurology: aan.com Social Media facebook.com/continuumcme @ContinuumAAN Host: @headacheMD Guest: @aiee_antonio Full episode transcript available here Dr Jones: This is Dr Lyell Jones, Editor-in-Chief of Continuum. Thank you for listening to Continuum Audio. Be sure to visit the links in the episode notes for information about earning CME, subscribing to the journal, and exclusive access to interviews not featured on the podcast. Dr Monteith: Hi, this is Dr Teshamae Monteith. Today I'm interviewing Dr Aileen Antonio about her article on clinical features and diagnosis of idiopathic intracranial hypertension, which appears in the June 2025 Continuum issue on disorders of CSF dynamics.  Hi, how are you? Dr Antonio: Hi, good afternoon. Dr Monteith: Thank you for being on the podcast. Dr Antonio: Thank you for inviting me, and it's such an honor to write for the Continuum. Dr Monteith: So why don't you start off with introducing yourself? Dr Antonio: So as mentioned, I'm Aileen Antonio. I am a neuro-ophthalmologist, dually trained in both ophthalmology and neurology. I'm practicing in Grand Rapids, Michigan Trinity Health, and I'm also the associate program director for our neurology residency program. Dr Monteith: So, it sounds like the residents get a lot of neuro-ophthalmology by chance in your curriculum. Dr Antonio: For sure. They do get fed that a lot. Dr Monteith: So why don't you tell me what the objective of your article was? Dr Antonio: Yes. So idiopathic intracranial hypertension, or IIH, is a condition where there's increased intracranial pressure, but without an obvious cause. And with this article, we want our readers---and our listeners right now---to recognize that the typical symptoms and learning about the IIH diagnostic criteria are key to avoiding errors, overdiagnosis, or sometimes even misdiagnosis or underdiagnosis. Thus, we help make the most of our healthcare resources. Early diagnosis and management are crucial to prevent disability from intractable headaches or even vision loss, and it's also important to know when to refer the patients to the appropriate specialists early on. Dr Monteith: So, it sounds like your central points are really getting that diagnosis early and managing the patients and knowing how to triage patients to reduce morbidity and complications. Is that correct? Dr Antonio: That is correct and very succinct, yes. Dr Monteith: And so, are there any more recent advances in the diagnosis of IIH? Dr Antonio: Yes. And one of the tools that we've been using is what we call the optical coherence tomography. A lot of people, neurologists, physicians, PCP, ER doctors; how many among those physicians are well-versed in doing an eye exam, looking at the optic disc? And this is a great tool because it is noninvasive, it is high resolution imaging technique that allows us to look at the optic nerve without even dilating the eye. And we can measure that retinal nerve fiber layer, or RNFL; and that helps us quantify the swelling that is visible or inherent in that optic nerve. And we can even follow that and monitor that over time. So, this gives us another way of looking at their vision and getting that insight as to how healthy is their vision still, along with the other formal visual tests that we do, including perimetry or visual field testing. And then all of these help in catching potentially early changes, early worsening, that may happen; and then we can intervene more easily. Dr Monteith: Great. So, it sounds like there's a lot of benefits to this newer technology for our patients. Dr Antonio: That is correct. Dr Monteith: So, I read in the article about the increased incidence of IIH, and I have to say that I completely agree with you because I'm seeing so much of it in my clinic, even as a headache specialist. And I had a talk with a colleague who said that the incidence of SIH and IIH are similar. And I was like, there's no way. Because I see, I can see several people with IIH just in one day. That's not uncommon. So, tell me what your thoughts are on the incidence, the rising incidence of IIH; and we understand that it's the condition associated with obesity, but it sounds like you have some other underlying drivers of this problem. Dr Antonio: Yes, that is correct. So, as you mentioned, IIH tends to affect women of childbearing age with obesity. And it's interesting because as you've seen that trend, we see more of these IIH cases recently, which seem to correlate with that rising rate of obesity. And the other thing, too, is that this trend can readily add to the burden of managing IIH, because not only are we dealing with the headaches or the potential loss of vision, but also it adds to the burden of healthcare costs because of the other potential comorbidities that may come with it, like cardiovascular risk factors, PCOS, and sleep apnea. Dr Monteith: So why don't we just talk about the diagnosis of IIH? Dr Antonio: IIH, idiopathic intracranial hypertension, is also called pseudotumor cerebri.  It's essentially a condition where a person experiences increased intracranial pressure, but without any obvious cause. And the tricky part is that the patients, they're usually fully awake and alert. So, there's no obvious tumor, brain tumor or injury that causes the increased ICP. It's really, really important to rule out other conditions that might cause these similar symptoms; again, like brain tumors or even the cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. Many patients will have headaches or visual disturbances like transient visual obscurations---we call them TVOs---or double vision or diplopia. The diplopia is usually related to a sixth nerve palsy or an abducens palsy. Some may also experience some back pain or what we call pulsatile tinnitus, which is that pulse synchronous ringing in their ears. The biggest sign that we see in the clinic would be that papilledema; and papilledema is a term that we only use, specifically use, for those optic nerve edema changes that is only associated with increased intracranial pressure. So, performing of endoscopy and good eye exam is crucial in these patients. We usually use the modified Dandy criteria to diagnose IIH. And again, I cannot emphasize too much that it's really important to rule out other secondary causes to that increased intracranial pressure. So, after that thorough neurologic and eye evaluation with neuroimaging, we do a lumbar puncture to measure the opening pressure and to analyze the cerebrospinal fluid. Dr Monteith: One thing I learned from your article, really just kind of seeing all of the symptoms that you mentioned, the radicular pain, but also- and I think I've seen some papers on this, the cognitive dysfunction associated with IIH. So, it's a broader symptom complex I think than people realize. Dr Antonio: That is correct. Dr Monteith: So, you mentioned TVOs. Tell me, you know, if I was a patient, how would you try and elicit that from me? Dr Antonio: So, I would usually just ask the patient, while you're sitting down just watching TV---some of my patients are even driving as this happens---they would suddenly have these episodes of blacking out of vision, graying out of vision, vision loss, or blurred vision that would just happen, from seconds to less than a minute, usually. And they can happen in one eye or the other eye or both eyes, and even multiple times a day. I had a patient, it was happening 50 times a day for her. It's important to note that there is no pain associated with it most of the time. The other thing too is that it's different from the aura that patients with migraines would have, because those auras are usually scintillating and would have what we call the positive phenomena: the flashing lights, the iridescence, and even the fortification that they see in their vision. So definitely TVOs are not the migraine auras. Sometimes the TVOs can also be triggered by sudden changes in head positions or even a change in posture, like standing up quickly. The difference, though, between that and, like, the graying out of vision or the tunneling vision associated with orthostatic hypotension, is that the orthostatic hypotension would also have that feeling of lightheadedness and dizziness that would come with it. Dr Monteith: Great. So, if someone feels lightheaded, less likely to be a TVO if they're bending down and they have that grain of vision. Dr Antonio: That is correct. Dr Monteith: Definitely see patients like that in clinic. And if they have fluoride IIH, I'm like, I'll call it a TVO; if they don't, I'm like, it's probably more likely to be dizziness-related. And then we also have patient migraines that have blurriness that's nonspecific, not necessarily associated with aura. But I think in those patients, it's usually not seconds long, it's usually probably longer episodes of blurriness. Would you agree there, or…? Dr Antonio: I would agree there, and usually the visual aura would precede the headache that is very characteristic of their migraine, very stereotypical for their migraines. And then it would dissipate slowly over time as well. With TVOs, they're brisk and would not last, usually, more than a minute. Dr Monteith: So, why don't we talk about routine imaging? Obviously, ordering an MRI, and I read also getting an MRV is important. Dr Antonio: It is very important because, one: I would say IIH is also a diagnosis of exclusion. We need to make sure that the increased ICP is not because of a brain tumor or not because of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. So, it's important to get the MRI of the brain as well as the MRV of the head. Dr Monteith: Do you do that for all patients' MRV, and how often do you add on an orbital study? Dr Antonio: I usually do not add on an orbital study because it's not really going to change my management at that point. I really get that MRI of the brain. Now the MRV, for most of my patients, I would order it already just because the population that I see, I don't want to lose them. And sometimes it's that follow-up, and that is the difficult part; and it's an easy add on to the study that I'm going to order. Again, it depends with the patient population that you have as well, and of course the other symptoms that may come with it. Dr Monteith: So, why don't we talk a little bit about CSF reading and how these set values, because we get people that have readings of 250 millimeters of water quite frequently and very nonspecific, questionable IIH. And so, talk to me about the set value. Dr Antonio: Right. So, the modified Dandy criteria has shown that, again, we consider intracranial pressure to be elevated for adults if it's above 250 millimeters water; and then for kids if it's above 280 millimeters of water. Knowing that these are taken in the left lateral decubitus position, and assuming also that the patients were awake and not sedated during the measurement of the CSF pressure. The important thing to know about that is, sometimes when we get LPs under fluoroscopy or under sedation, then these can cause false elevation because of the hypercapnia that elevated carbon dioxide, and then the hypoventilation that happens when a patient is under sedation. Dr Monteith: You know, sometimes you see people with opening pressures a little bit higher than 25 and they're asymptomatic. Well, the problem with these opening pressure values is that they can vary somewhat even across the day. People around 25, you can be normal, have no symptoms, and have opening pressure around 25- or 250; and so, I'm just asking about your approach to the CSF values. Dr Antonio: So again, at the end of the day, what's important is putting everything together. It's the gestalt of how we look at the patient. I actually had an attending tell me that there is no patient that read the medical textbook. So, the, the important thing, again, is putting everything together. And what I've also seen is that some patients would tell me, oh, I had an opening pressure of 50. Does that mean I'm in a dire situation? And they're so worried and they just attach to numbers. And for me, what's important would be, what are your symptoms? Is your headache, right, really bad, intractable? Number two: are you losing vision, or are you at that cusp where your optic nerve swelling or papilledema is so severe that it may soon lead to vision loss? So, putting all of these together and then getting the neuroimaging, getting the LP. I tell my residents it's like icing on the cake. We know already what we're dealing with, but then when we get that confirmation of that number… and sometimes it's borderline, but this is the art of neurology. This is the art of medicine and putting everything together and making sure that we care and manage it accordingly. Dr Monteith: Let's talk a little bit about IIH without papilledema. Dr Antonio: So, let's backtrack. So, when a patient will fit most of the modified Dandy criteria for IIH, but they don't have the papilledema or they don't have abducens palsy, the diagnosis then becomes tricky. And in these kinds of cases, Dr Friedman and her colleagues, when they did research on this, suggested that we might consider the diagnosis of IIH. And she calls this idiopathic intracranial hypertension without papilledema, IIHWOP. They say that if they meet the other criteria for modified Dandy but show at least three typical findings on MRI---so that flattening of the posterior globe, the tortuosity of the optic nerves, the empty sella or the partially empty sella, and even the narrowing of the transverse venous sinuses---so if you have three of these, then potentially you can call these cases as idiopathic intracranial hypertension without papilledema. Dr Monteith: Plus, the opening pressure elevation. I think that's key, right? Getting that as well. Dr Antonio: Yes. Sometimes IIHWOP may still be a gray area. It's a debate even among neuro-ophthalmologists, and I bet even among the headache specialists. Dr Monteith: Well, I know that I've had some of these conversations, and it's clear that people think this is very much overdiagnosed. So, that's why I wanted to plug in the LP with that as well. Dr Antonio: Right. And again, we have not seen yet whether is, this a spectrum, right? Of that same disease just manifesting differently, or are they just sharing a same pathway and then diverging? But what I want to emphasize also is that the treatment trials that we've had for IIH do not include IIHWOP patients. Dr Monteith: That is an important one. So why don't you wrap this up and tell our listeners what you want them to know? Now's the time. Dr Antonio: So, the- again, with IIH, with idiopathic intracranial hypertension, what is important is that we diagnose these patients early. And I think that some of the issues that come into play in dealing with these patients with IIH is that, one: we may have anchoring bias. Just because we see a female with obesity, of reproductive age, with intractable headaches, it does not always mean that what we're dealing with is IIH. The other thing, too, is that your tools are already available to you in your clinic in diagnosing IIH, short of the opening pressure when you get the lumbar puncture. And I need to emphasize the importance of doing your own fundoscopy and looking for that papilledema in these patients who present to you with intractable headaches or abducens palsy. What I want people to remember is that idiopathic intracranial hypertension is not optic nerve sheath distension. So, these are the stuff that you see on neuroimaging incidentally, not because you sent them, because they have papilledema, or because they have new headaches and other symptoms like that. And the important thing is doing your exam and looking at your patients. Dr Monteith: Today, I've been interviewing Dr Aileen Antonio about her article on clinical features and diagnosis of idiopathic intracranial hypertension, which appears in the most recent issue of Continuum on disorders of CSF dynamics. Be sure to check out Continuum Audio episodes from this and other issues, and thank you to our listeners for joining today. Thank you again. Dr Antonio: Thank you. Dr Monteith: This is Dr Teshamae Monteith, Associate Editor of Continuum Audio. If you've enjoyed this episode, you'll love the journal, which is full of in-depth and clinically relevant information important for neurology practitioners. Use the link in the episode notes to learn more and subscribe. AAN members, you can get CME for listening to this interview by completing the evaluation at continpub.com/audioCME. Thank you for listening to Continuum Audio.

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the generative AI sophomore slump. You will discover why so many businesses are stuck at the same level of AI adoption they were two years ago. You will learn how anchoring to initial perceptions and a lack of awareness about current AI capabilities limits your organization’s progress. You will understand the critical difference between basic AI exploration and scaling AI solutions for significant business outcomes. You will gain insights into how to articulate AI’s true value to stakeholders, focusing on real world benefits like speed, efficiency, and revenue. Tune in to see why your approach to AI may need an urgent update! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-generative-ai-sophomore-slump-part-1.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In-Ear Insights, let’s talk about the sophomore slump. Katie, you were talking about the sophomore slump in regards to generative AI. I figured we could make this into a two-part series. So first, what is the sophomore slump? Katie Robbert – 00:15 So I’m calling it the sophomore slump. Basically, what I’m seeing is a trend of a lot of companies talking about, “We tried. We started implementing AI two years ago—generative AI to be specific—and we’re stalled out.” We are at the same place we were two years ago. We’ve optimized some things. We’re using it to create content, maybe create some images, and that’s about it. Everyone fired everyone. There’s no one here. It’s like a ghost town. The machines are just whirring away in the background. And I’m calling it the sophomore slump because I’m seeing this pattern of companies, and it all seems to be—they’re all saying the same—two years ago. Katie Robbert – 01:03 And two years ago is when generative AI really hit the mainstream market in terms of its availability to the masses, to all of us, versus someone, Chris, like you, who had been using it through IBM and other machine learning systems and homegrown systems. So I bring it up because it’s interesting, because I guess there’s a lot to unpack here. AI is this magic tool that’s gonna solve your problems and do all the things and make you dinner and clean your room. I feel like there’s a lot of things wrong or a lot of things that are just not going right. A lot of companies are hitting this two-year mark, and they’re like, “What now? What happened? Am I better off? Not really.” Katie Robbert – 02:00 I’m just paying for more stuff. So Chris, are you seeing this as well? Is this your take? Christopher S. Penn – 02:07 It is. And a lot of it has to do with what psychology calls anchoring, where your understanding something is anchored to your first perceptions of it. So when ChatGPT first came out in November 2022 and became popular in January 2023, what were people using it for? “Let’s write some blog posts.” And two years later, where are we? “Let’s write some blog posts.” And the capabilities have advanced exponentially since then. One of the big things that we’ve heard from clients and I’ve seen and heard at trade shows and conferences and all this stuff: people don’t understand even what’s possible with the tools, what you can do with them. Christopher S. Penn – 02:56 And as a result, they’re still stuck in 2023 of “let’s write some blog posts.” Instead, “Hey, today, use this tool to build software. Use this tool to create video. Use this tool to make fully synthetic podcasts.” So as much as it makes me cringe, there’s this term from consulting called “the art of the possible.” And that really is still one of the major issues for people to open their minds and go, “Oh, I can do this!” This morning on LinkedIn, I was sharing from our livestream a couple weeks ago: “Hey, you can use NotebookLM to make segments of your sales playbook as training audio, as a training podcast internally so that you could help new hires onboard quickly by having a series of podcasts made from your own company’s materials.” Katie Robbert – 03:49 Do you think that when Generative AI hit the market, people jumped on it too quickly? Is that the problem? Or is it evolving so fast? Or what do you think happened that two years later, despite all the advances, companies are stalled out in what we’re calling the sophomore slump? Christopher S. Penn – 04:13 I don’t think they jumped on it too quickly. I don’t think they kept up with the changes. Again, it’s anchoring. One of the very interesting things that I’ve seen at workshops: for example, we’ve been working with SMPS—the Society for Marketing Professional Services—and they’re one of our favorite clients because we get a chance to hang out with them twice a year, every year, for two-day workshops. And I noted at the most recent one, the demographic of the audience changed radically. In the first workshop back in late 2023, it was 60-40 women to men, as mid- to senior-level folks. In this most recent was 95-5 women and much more junior-level folks. And I remember commenting to the organizers, I said, “What’s going on here?” Christopher S. Penn – 05:02 And they said what they’ve heard is that all senior-level folks are like, “Oh yeah, I know AI. We’re just going to send our junior people.” I’m like, “But what I’m presenting today in 2025 is so far different from what you learned in late 2023.” You should be here as a senior leader to see what’s possible today. Katie Robbert – 05:26 I have so many questions about that kind of mentality. “I know everything I need to know, therefore it doesn’t apply to me.” Think about non-AI-based technology, think about the rest of your tech stack: servers, cloud storage, databases. Those things aren’t static. They change and evolve. Maybe not at the pace that generative AI has been evolving, but they still change, and there’s still things to know and learn. Unless you are the person developing the software, you likely don’t know everything about it. And so I’ve always been really suspicious of people who have that “I know everything I need to know, I can’t learn any more about this, it’s just not relevant” sort of mentality. That to me is hugely concerning. Katie Robbert – 06:22 And so it sounds like what you are seeing as a pattern in addition to this sophomore slump is people saying, “I know enough. I don’t need to keep up with it. I’m good.” Christopher S. Penn – 06:34 Exactly. So their perception of generative AI and its capabilities, and therefore knowing what to ask for as leaders, is frozen in late 2023. Their understanding has not evolved. And while the technology has evolved, as a point of comparison, generative AI’s capabilities in terms of what the tools can double every six months. So a task that took an hour for AI to do six months ago now takes 30 minutes. A task that they couldn’t do six months ago, they can do now. And so since 2023, we’ve essentially had what—five doublings. That’s two to the fifth power: five doublings of its capabilities. Christopher S. Penn – 07:19 And so if you’re stuck in late 2023, of course you’re having a sophomore slump because it’s like you learned to ride a bicycle, and today there is a Bugatti Chiron in your driveway, and you’re like, “I’m going to bicycle to the store.” Well, you can do a bit more than that now. You can go a little bit faster. You can go places you couldn’t go previously. And I don’t know how to fix that. I don’t know how to get the messaging out to those senior leaders to say what you think about AI is not where the technology is today. Which means that if you care about things like ROI—what is the ROI of AI?—you are not unlocking value because you don’t even know what it can do. Katie Robbert – 08:09 Well, see, and now you’re hitting on because you just said, “I don’t know how to reach these leaders.” But yet in the same sentence, you said, “But here are the things they care about.” Those are the terms that need to be put in for people to pay attention. And I’ll give us a knock on this too. We’re not putting it in those terms. We’re not saying, “Here’s the value of the latest and greatest version of AI models,” or, “Here’s how you can save money.” We’re talking about it in terms of what the technology can do, not what it can do for you and why you should care. I was having this conversation with one of our clients this morning as they’re trying to understand what GPTs, what models their team members are using. Katie Robbert – 09:03 But they weren’t telling the team members why. They were asking why it mattered if they knew what they were using or not. And it’s the oldest thing of humankind: “Just tell me what’s in it for me? How does this make it about me? I want to see myself in this.” And that’s one of the reasons why the 5Ps is so useful. So this isn’t necessarily “use the 5Ps,” but it could be. So the 5Ps are Purpose, People, Process, Platform, Performance, when we’re the ones at the cutting edge. And we’re saying, “We know that AI can do all of these really cool things.” It’s our responsibility to help those who need the education see themselves in it. Katie Robbert – 09:52 So, Chris, one of the things that we do is, on Mondays we send out a roundup of everything that’s happened with AI. And you can get that. That’s our Substack newsletter. But what we’re not doing in that newsletter is saying, “This is why you should pay attention.” But not “here’s the value.” “If you implement this particular thing, it could save you money.” This particular thing could increase your productivity. And that’s going to be different for every client. I feel like I’m rambling and I’m struggling through my thought process here. Katie Robbert – 10:29 But really what it boils down to, AI is changing so fast that those of us on the front lines need to do a better job of explaining not just why you should care, but what the benefit is going to be, but in the terms that those individuals care about. And that’s going to look different for everyone. And I don’t know if that’s scalable. Christopher S. Penn – 10:50 I don’t think it is scalable. And I think the other issue is that so many people are locked into the past that it’s difficult to even make headway into explaining how this thing will benefit you. So to your point, part of our responsibility is to demonstrate use cases, even simple ones, to say: “Here, with today’s modern tooling, here’s a use case that you can use generative AI for.” So at the workshop yesterday that we have this PDF-rich, full of research. It’s a lot. There’s 50-some-odd pages, high-quality data. Christopher S. Penn – 11:31 But we said, “What would it look like if you put this into Google Gemini and turn it into a one-page infographic of just the things that the ideal customer profile cares about?” And suddenly the models can take that, distill it down, identify from the ideal customer profile the five things they really care about, and make a one-page infographic. And now you’ve used the tools to not just process words but make an output. And they can say, “Oh, I understand! The value of this output is: ‘I don’t have to wait three weeks for Creative to do exactly the same thing.'” We can give the first draft to Creative and get it turned around in 24 hours because they could add a little polish and fix the screw-ups of the AI. Christopher S. Penn – 12:09 But speed. The key output there is speed: high quality. But Creative is already creating high-quality. But speed was the key output there. In another example, everybody their cousin is suddenly, it’s funny, I see this on LinkedIn, “Oh, you should be using GPTs!” I’m like, “You should have been using GPTs for over a year and a half now!” What you should be doing now is looking at how to build MCPs that can go cross-platform. So it’s like a GPT, but it goes anywhere you go. So if your company uses Copilot, you will be able to use an MCP. If your company uses Gemini, you’ll be able to use this. Christopher S. Penn – 12:48 So what does it look like for your company if you’ve got a great idea to turn it into an MCP and maybe put it up for sale? Like, “Hey, more revenue!” The benefit to you is more revenue. You can take your data and your secret sauce, put it into this thing—it’s essentially an app—and sell it. More revenue. So it’s our responsibility to create these use cases and, to your point, clearly state: “Here’s the Purpose, and here’s the outcome.” Money or time or something. You could go, “Oh, I would like that!” Katie Robbert – 13:21 It occurs to me—and I feel silly that this only just occurred to me. So when we’re doing our roundup of “here’s what changed with AI week over week” to pull the data for that newsletter, we’re using our ideal customer profile. But we’re not using our ideal customer profile as deeply as we could be. So if those listening aren’t familiar, one of the things that we’ve been doing at Trust Insights is taking publicly available data, plus our own data sets—our CRM data, our Google Analytics data—and building what we’re calling these ideal customer profiles. So, a synthetic stand-in for who should be a Trust Insights customer. And it goes pretty deep. It goes into buying motivations, pain points, things that the ideal customer would care about. Katie Robbert – 14:22 And as we’re talking, it occurs to me, Chris, we’re saying, “Well, it’s not scalable to customize the news for all of these different people, but using generative AI, it might be.” It could be. So I’m not saying we have to segment off our newsletter into eight different versions depending on the audience, but perhaps there’s an opportunity to include a little bit more detail around how a specific advancement in generative AI addresses a specific pain point from our ideal customer profile. Because theoretically, it’s our ideal customers who are subscribing to our content. It’s all very—I would need to outline it in how all these things connect. Katie Robbert – 15:11 But in my brain, I can see how, again, that advanced use case of generative AI actually brings you back to the basics of “How are you solving my problem?” Christopher S. Penn – 15:22 So in an example from that, you would say, “Okay, which of the four dimensions—it could be more—but which of the four dimensions does this news impact?” Bigger, better, faster, cheaper. So which one of these does this help? And if it doesn’t align to any of those four, then maybe it’s not of use to the ICP because they can go, “Well, this doesn’t make me do things better or faster or save me money or save me time.” So maybe it’s not that relevant. And the key thing here, which a lot of folks don’t have in their current capabilities, is that scale. Christopher S. Penn – 15:56 So when we make that change to the prompt that is embedded inside this AI agent, the agent will then go and apply it to a thousand different articles at a scale that you would be copying and pasting into ChatGPT for three days to do the exact same thing. Katie Robbert – 16:12 Sounds awful. Christopher S. Penn – 16:13 And that’s where we come back to where we started with this about the sophomore slump is to say, if the people are not building processes and systems that allow the use of AI to scale, everyone is still in the web interface. “Oh, open up ChatGPT and do this thing.” That’s great. But at this point in someone’s AI evolution, ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude or whatever could be your R&D. That’s where you do your R&D to prove that your prompt will even work. But once you’ve done R&D, you can’t live in R&D. You have to take it to development, staging, and eventually production. Taking it on the line so that you have an AI newsletter. Christopher S. Penn – 16:54 The machine spits out. You’ve proven that it works through the web interface. You’ve proven it works by testing it. And now it’s, “Okay, how do we scale this in production?” And I feel like because so many people are using generative AI as language tools rather than seeing them as what they are—which is thinly disguised programming tools—they don’t think about the rest of the SDLC and say, “How do we take this and put it in production?” You’re constantly in debug mode, and you never leave it. Katie Robbert – 17:28 Let’s go back to the audience because one of the things that you mentioned is that you’ve seen a shift in the demographic to who you’ve been speaking to. So it was upper-level management executives, and now those folks feel like they know enough. Do you think part of the challenge with this sophomore slump that we’re seeing is what the executives and the upper-level management think they learned? Is it not also then getting distilled down into those junior staff members? So it’s also a communication issue, a delegation issue of: “I learned how to build a custom GPT to write blogs for me in my voice.” “So you go ahead and do the same thing,” but that’s where the conversation ends. Or, “Here’s my custom GPT. You can use my voice when I’m not around.” Katie Robbert – 18:24 But then the marketing ants are like, “Okay, but what about everything else that’s on my plate?” Do you feel like that education and knowledge transfer is part of why we’re seeing this slump? Christopher S. Penn – 18:36 Absolutely, I think that’s part of it. And again, those leaders not knowing what’s happening on the front lines of the technology itself means they don’t know what to ask for. They remember that snapshot of AI that they had in October 2023, and they go, “Oh yeah, we can use this to make more blog posts.” If you don’t know what’s on the menu, then you’re going to keep ordering the same thing, even if the menu’s changed. Back in 2023, the menu is this big. It’s “blog posts.” “Okay, I like more blog posts now.” The menu is this big. And saying: you can do your corporate strategy. You can audit financial documents. You can use Google Colab to do advanced data analysis. You can make videos and audio and all this stuff. Christopher S. Penn – 19:19 And so the menu that looks like the Cheesecake Factory. But the executive still has the mental snapshot of an index card version of the menu. And then the junior person goes to a workshop and says, “Wow! The menu looks like a Cheesecake Factory menu now!” Then they come back to the office, and they say, “Oh, I’ve got all these ideas that we can implement!” The executives are like, “No, just make more blog posts.” “That’s what’s on the menu!” So it is a communication issue. It’s a communication issue. It is a people issue. Christopher S. Penn – 19:51 Which is the problem. Katie Robbert – 19:53 Yeah. Do you think? So the other trend that I’m seeing—I’m trying to connect all these things because I’m really just trying to wrap my head around what’s happening, but also how we can be helpful—is this: I’m seeing a lot of this anti-AI. A lot of that chatter where, “Humans first.” “Humans still have to do this.” And AI is not going to replace us because obviously the conversation for a while is, “Will this technology take my job?” And for some companies like Duolingo, they made that a reality, and now it’s backfiring on them. But for other people, they’re like, “I will never use AI.” They’re taking that hard stance to say, “This is just not what I’m going to do.” Christopher S. Penn – 20:53 It is very black and white. And here’s the danger of that from a strategy perspective. People have expectations based on the standard. So in 1998, people like, “Oh, this Internet thing’s a fad!” But the customer expectations started to change. “Oh, I can order any book I want online!” I don’t have to try to get it out of the borders of Barnes and Noble. I can just go to this place called Amazon. Christopher S. Penn – 21:24 In 2007, we got these things, and suddenly it’s, “Oh, I can have the internet wherever I go.” By the so-called mobile commerce revolution—which did happen—you got to swipe right and get food and a coffee, or have a car show up at your house, or have a date show up at your house, or whatever. And the expectation is this thing is the remote control for my life. And so every brand that did not have an app on this device got left behind because people are like, “Well, why would I use you when I have this thing? I can get whatever I want.” Now AI is another twist on this to say: we are setting an expectation. Christopher S. Penn – 22:04 The expectation is you can get a blog post written in 15 minutes by ChatGPT. That’s the expectation that has been set by the technology, whether it’s any good or not. We’ll put that aside because people will always choose convenience over quality. Which means if you are that person who’s like, “I am anti-AI. Human first. Human always. These machines are terrible,” great, you still have to produce a blog post in 15 minutes because that is the expectation set by the market. And you’re like, “No, quality takes time!” Quality is secondary to speed and convenience in what the marketplace will choose. So you can be human first, but you better be as good as a machine and as a very difficult standard to meet. Christopher S. Penn – 22:42 And so to your point about the sophomore slump, those companies that are not seeing those benefits—because they have people who are taking a point of view that they are absolutely entitled to—are not recognizing that their competitors using AI are setting a standard that they may not be able to meet anymore. Katie Robbert – 23:03 And I feel like that’s also contributing to that. The sophomore slump is in some ways—maybe it’s not something that’s present in the conscious mind—but maybe subconsciously people are feeling defeated, and they’re like, “Well, I can’t compete with my competitors, so I’m not even going to bother.” So let me twist it so that it sounds like it’s my idea to not be using AI, and I’m going to set myself apart by saying, “Well, we’re not going to use it.” We’re going to do it the old-fashioned way. Which, I remember a few years ago, Chris, we were talking about how there’s room at the table both for the Amazons and the Etsy crowds. Katie Robbert – 23:47 And so there’s the Amazon—the fast delivery, expedited, lower cost—whereas Etsy is the handmade, artisanal, bespoke, all of those things. And it might cost a little bit more, but it’s unique and crafted. And so do you think that analogy still holds true? Is there still room at the table for the “it’s going to take longer, but it’s my original thinking” blog post that might take a few days versus the “I can spin up thousands of blog posts in the few days that it’s going to take you to build the one”? Christopher S. Penn – 24:27 It depends on performance. The fifth P. If your company measures performance by things like profit margins and speed to market, there isn’t room at the table for the Etsy style. If your company measures other objectives—like maybe customer satisfaction, and values-based selling is part of how you make your money—companies say, “I choose you because I know you are sustainable. I choose you because I know you’re ethical.” Then yes, there is room at the table for that. So it comes down to basic marketing strategy, business strategy of what is it that the value that we’re selling is—is the audience willing to provide it? Which I think is a great segue into next week’s episode, which is how do you get out of the sophomore slump? So we’re going to tackle that next week’s episode. Christopher S. Penn – 25:14 But if you’ve got some thoughts about the sophomore slump that you are facing, or that maybe your competitors are facing, or that the industry is facing—do you want to talk about them? Pop them by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights AI: Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,200 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day about analytics, data science, and AI. And wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI podcast. 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Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. Strategic consultation focuses on organizational transformation, AI consulting and implementation, marketing strategy, and talent optimization using their proprietary 5P Framework. Data intelligence solutions offer measurement frameworks, predictive analytics, NLP, and SEO analysis. Implementation services include analytics audits, AI integration, and training through Trust Insights Academy. Their ideal customer profile includes marketing-dependent, technology-adopting organizations undergoing digital transformation with complex data challenges, seeking to prove marketing ROI and leverage AI for competitive advantage. 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In this episode of PhotoWork with Sasha Wolf, Sasha welcomes two extraordinary guests: artist and curator Justine Kurland and Marina Chao, a curator at CPW. Together, they discuss their collaboration on The Rose, an exhibition that explores collage as a feminist form, strategy, and genealogy. Featuring works by over fifty contemporary artists and key figures from the 1960s and 1970s, the exhibition examines collage as both a means of world-building and a survival strategy in times of crisis. Sasha, Justine, and Marina delve into the layered responsibilities of artists and discuss the assumption that interpreting a straightforward photograph is inherently simpler than reading and interpreting conceptual art. https://www.justinekurland.com https://cpw.org/staff/ https://cpw.org/exhibition/the-rose/ Justine Kurland is an artist known for her utopian photographs of American landscapes and the fringe communities, both real and imagined, that inhabit them. Her early work comprises photographs, taken during many cross-country road trips, that counter the masculinist mythology of the American landscape, offering a radical female imaginary in its place. Her recent series of collages, SCUMB Manifesto, continues to make space for women by transforming books by canonized male photographers through destruction and reparation. Kurland's work has been exhibited at museums and galleries in the United States and abroad. Her work is included in permanent collections of the Whitney Museum of American Art, New York; Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum of Art, New York; Museum of Modern Art, New York; Carnegie Museum, Pennsylvania; Getty Museum, California; National Gallery of Art, Washington, D.C.; and the Museum of Fine Arts, Montreal, among others. She works with Higher Pictures in New York. Marina Chao has previously held curatorial positions at the International Center of Photography and the Museum of Modern Art in New York. As assistant curator at ICP she organized the exhibition Multiply, Identify, Her (2018) and contributed to the publication Public, Private, Secret: On Photography and the Configuration of Self (Aperture and ICP, 2018). She was awarded a 2019 Curatorial Research Fellowship from the Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts for Seeing Meaning, a project exploring the intersections of image, language, and technology.

You can't serve everyone, but when you get clear on who you're really meant to help, everything changes.Dr. Pete and Dr. Stephen lay out a step-by-step framework for defining your Ideal Client Profile (ICP) and explain why it is the key to shaping every part of your business. From the care you provide to the marketing that brings the right people through your doors, clarity in your mission, vision, and purpose influences it all. Whether you're building, scaling, or preparing for an exit, this focus will help you grow with purpose and precision.In this episode you will:Learn how to build your business from your MVP (Mission, Vision, Purpose) outward.Discover why a clearly defined ICP streamlines care, marketing, and operations.Understand how to shape patient experience by knowing the problems you solve best.Explore how to attract the right patients and repel the ones not ready yet.Find out how clarity accelerates your path to growth, scale, and impact.Episode Highlights01:07 – Learn why defining your ideal client profile (ICP) is crucial to attracting the right patients and repelling the wrong ones.03:09 – Understand how timing plays a role in patient attraction and why someone not ready now may return later when the time is right.07:47 – Hear how fulfilling long-term goals requires vision clarity and how structured planning enables life and business alignment.10:26 – Discover the “growth ladder” framework, from mission to marketing, and how each level builds toward clarity and momentum.13:58 – Learn how defining your purpose, mission, and vision becomes the foundation for building a scalable, focused practice.17:19 – Understand how purpose and vision work together—one pushes, one pulls—to drive energy and accelerate growth.21:02 – See how defining your ICP leads to designing better services, solving specific problems, and enhancing user experience.23:22 – Get insight into how personal passion and strengths align with your ICP to create sustainable energy and fulfillment.25:05 – Hear the five ICP types the Remarkable Practice serves and how clarity in audience shapes products, services, and success.27:56 – Learn how creating a sense of belonging for patients starts with your own clarity and purpose in defining who you serve.30:12 – Discover how message clarity leads to better marketing, attracting patients who are ready for the care you offer.32:24 – Understand how clearly solving specific problems brings in the right referrals and makes marketing easier.33:26 – Learn why being everything to everyone leads to irrelevance and how cutting through noise starts with clarity of purpose. Resources MentionedRegister Now for the TRP Conversion & Retention Immersion - June 27 & 28, 2025 in Sydney, AUS - https://theremarkablepractice.com/upcoming-events/  To learn more about the REM CEO Program, please visit:  http://www.theremarkablepractice.com/rem-ceoFor more information about Waitlist Workshops please visit: https://waitlistworkshops.comSchedule a Brainstorming call with Dr. PeteFollow Dr Stephen on Instagram: https://qr.me-qr.com/l/riDHVjqt  Follow Dr Pete on Instagram: https://qr.me-qr.com/I1nC7Hgg  Prefer to watch? Catch the podcast on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/@TheRemarkablePractice1To listen to more episodes visit https://theremarkablepractice.com/podcast/ or follow on your favorite podcast app.

Are you leading a cybersecurity sales team aiming for responsible, accelerated growth—but unsure how to scale without just adding headcount? Do you struggle to shift your messaging above the noise and communicate true business outcomes? Are you balancing highly technical sales cycles with the need to engage business buyers? If any of this sounds familiar, this episode is for you.In this conversation we discuss: 

In this episode of Marketing Dilemmas, Liam sits down with Ben Smith, Marketing Director at Reachdesk to tackle a growth challenge many scale-ups face: what to do when you've nailed your ICP but are starting to hit a ceiling. They unpack how Reachdesk refined their targeting, improved win rates, and now face the next big question - how to expand without losing focus. Expect insights on ABM signals, scrappy tactics, first-party data, and the true power of gifting in B2B.

1.   Protestaron los enfermeros por lasfalta de respeto a su profesión. Protestaron en Cabo Rojo los ambientalistasque quieren proteger de una destrucción masiva en la zona oeste. Protestaronboricuas en inmigrantes contra las políticas discriminatorias de ICE y lasdeportaciones, Y mientras tanto, la gobernadora primero hacía un vídeo sentadaen el piso de La Fortaleza con sus gemelos, y después posaba en la gala delMuseo de Puerto Rico. Mientras, el ICP pende de un hilo.2.   Puerto Rico debe estar alerta antecambios en derechos para la comunidad LGBTTQ3.   Aumentan las reclamaciones porimpericia médica en Puerto Rico4.   El empleo ha caído en los últimos 5meses en PR5.   Detenido Vance Boelter, elsospechoso de los atentados de Minnesota contra congresistas6.   Los líderes del G7 se reúnen enCanadá para una cumbre ensombrecida por la crisis entre Israel e Irán y lasguerras comerciales. 7.   Ataque iraní con misiles alcanza laciudad portuaria israelí de Haifa y causa varios heridos 8.   Irán rechaza las conversacionesnucleares ante la escalada del conflicto con Israel9.   Trump ordena a ICE intensificar losesfuerzos de deportación en ciudades gobernadas por demócratas10.“No kings protest” o la protesta deno queremos reyes se convierte en una de las manifestaciones más grandes en lahistoria de los Estados Unidos.11. La sucesióndel Dalai Lama: la comunidad tibetana enfrenta una encrucijada en medio de lasamenazas del régimen chino Este es un programa independiente y sindicalizado. Esto significa que este programa se produce de manera independiente, pero se transmite de manera sindicalizada, o sea, por las emisoras y cadenas de radio que son más fuertes en sus respectivas regiones. También se transmite por sus plataformas digitales, aplicaciones para dispositivos móviles y redes sociales.  Estas emisoras de radio son:1.    Cadena WIAC - WYAC 930 AM Cabo Rojo- Mayagüez2.    Cadena WIAC – WISA 1390 AM Isabela3.    Cadena WIAC – WIAC 740 AM Área norte y zona metropolitana4.    WLRP 1460 AM Radio Raíces La voz del Pepino en San Sebastián5.    X61 – 610 AM en Patillas6.    X61 – 94.3 FM Patillas y todo el sureste7.    WPAB 550 AM - Ponce8.    ECO 93.1 FM – En todo Puerto Rico9.    WOQI 1020 AM – Radio Casa Pueblo desde Adjuntas 10. Mundo Latino PR.com, la emisora web de música tropical y comentario Una vez sale del aire, el programa queda grabado y está disponible en las plataformas de podcasts tales como Spotify, Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts y otras plataformas https://anchor.fm/sandrarodriguezcotto También nos pueden seguir en:REDES SOCIALES:  Facebook, X (Twitter), Instagram, Threads, LinkedIn, Tumblr, TikTok BLOG:  En Blanco y Negro con Sandra http://enblancoynegromedia.blogspot.com  SUSCRIPCIÓN: Substack, plataforma de suscripción de prensa independientehttps://substack.com/@sandrarodriguezcotto OTROS MEDIOS DIGITALES: ¡Ey! Boricua, Revista Seguros. Revista Crónicas y otrosEstas son algunas de las noticias que tenemos hoy En Blanco y Negro con Sandra. 

En este episodio del Vender Diferente Podcast hablo de la Clave #1 para duplicar tu tasa de cierre (sin trabajar el doble)Este es el primero de tres episodios especiales que grabé en vivo durante mi último workshop. En esta primera parte te comparto la Clave #1 para duplicar tu tasa de cierre en solo 3 meses: prospectar mejor, no más.

In episode #286 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray breaks down one of the most common — and costly — mistakes SaaS founders and CFOs make when building their Monthly Recurring Revenue (MRR) schedules: netting contraction and expansion. This seemingly small error can break your ability to calculate key SaaS metrics like Gross Revenue Retention (GRR) and Net Revenue Retention (NRR). What You'll Learn: The essential structure of an accurate MRR waterfall schedule Why separating expansion, contraction, and churn is crucial for calculating SaaS metrics How to calculate GRR and NRR using distinct MRR layers Why trailing 3- and 6-month annualized retention rates offer deeper insights Pro tips on segmenting your MRR by product, ICP, or geography Who This Is For: SaaS founders, CFOs, FP&A leaders, and revenue ops teams looking to improve their SaaS financial reporting and ensure clean, actionable SaaS metrics that stand up to investor scrutiny. Resources Mentioned: Join Ben's private SaaS metrics community: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/offers/ivNjwYDx/checkout Subscribe to Ben's newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/df1db6bf8bca/the-saas-cfo-sign-up-landing-page Free SaaS Metrics Tools & Templates at TheSaaSCFO.com Enjoying the show? Please rate and review the podcast — it helps more SaaS professionals discover how to build better businesses with metrics that matter.

To celebrate 5 YEARS and 200 EPISODES, we've asked our friends Mike and Schmeev from the Juggalo Judgment podcast to come on the show and test our juggalo knowledge, then judge whether we're real juffalos or not. But that's not all! Robbie scores EVERY ICP and HOK album that we reviewed before he joined the show - plus Erik and Aaron have an opportunity to amend their scores for each album!  Let's get it started in here!If you want to interact with us, send us messages, follow us, support us, or join our community, check out the links on our WEBSITE.Check out DO IT FOR THE UNDERGROUND (DIFTUG), Robbie's underground rap and horrorcore focused news show on YouTube, HEREListen to E.D.N.E., the latest album by FUKKFAACE (Erik and Aaron's horrorcore project), HERE - and check out the compilation album from Erik's old horrorcore group Stopfate: A Decayed Decade 2002-2012, now streaming everywhere!

*Lazlo's 7/11 is a real-life Kevin Smith movie. *She wants the baby; he wants an abortion. He (allegedly) slips her an abortion pill in her coffee. *A friendly reminder to wipe your phone once in a while. *Obama DID NOT party with Diddy (that we know of). *Slimfast is trying to get Lazlo to go to ICP this weekend. *Elon is sorry. *A hot teacher sleeping with a teen student can be a bad thing. *Now would be a good time for The Royals to step it up. *Spiegel catalogs and back tickling are just a part of growing up. Thanks for listening to the podcast. Reach out to us on socials, or don't. You can also join us live every morning at www.twitch.tv/churchoflazl -Everybody Wang Chung Happy Birthday, Dad. Miss you.

This is a trailer episode, covering the first eight seasons of the Juggalo Rewind. If you are just finding us and you want a small taste of what you have missed, this is the episode to start on. If you like what you hear, go back in the archives, see the different seasons we have done and dive in with both feet.      The LinkTree can be found at https://linktr.ee/juggalorwd. Otherwise here are all of our links -  Youtube: @JuggaloRWD  Twitter/X: @JuggaloRWD  IG: @JuggaloRWD  Facebook: @JuggaloRWD  TikTok: @JuggaloRWD  Threads: @JuggaloRWD  BlueSky: @JuggaloRWD  The website is www.JuggaloRewind.com.  Join us on the ICPWWE Discord and talk to other listeners and podcast hosts about ICP, Twiztid and random juggalo nonsense.  Email us at juggalorwd@gmail.com or call/text us at (810) 666-1570.   All music played is owned by the respective publishers and copywrite holders and is reproduced for review purposes only under fair use.       #ForTheJuggaloCulture

In this switch-up episode, Lex interviews Sam re: the topic on everyone's mind: Account-Based Prospecting. Proactive business development is the name of the game — but why should recruiters really care? And how can they actually get started? As VP of Marketing at Loxo, Sam knows a lot about Account-Based Marketing, Sales, and Prospecting. He walks us through:How recruiters can leverage this approach to systematically win more clientsDefining an ideal client profile (ICP)The role of AI in this processEffective outreach strategiesMeasuring successAnd more!It's your practical guide to getting started with ABP — and a must-listen for modern recruiters. Want to learn more about business development as a recruiter? Check out our playbook here. And be sure to listen to our Tactical Tuesday episodes on the topic (which bookend this episode) for even more tips. Chapters:00:00 - The ultimate account-based prospecting guide for recruiters03:48 - Why account-based prospecting is a game-changer for recruiters09:30 - How to define your ideal client profile (ICP) in recruitment15:50 - The recruiter's guide to effective client outreach strategies20:26 - The best outreach channels for connecting with new clients20:10 - Getting started with account-based marketing (ABM) for your agency29:50 - Measuring what matters: Recruitment KPIs for ABM success39:40 - Continuing your business development journeyExplore all our episodes and catch the full video experience at loxo.co/podcastBecoming a Hiring Machine is brought to you by Loxo. To discover more about us, just visit loxo.co

In this inspiring episode of The Child Psych Podcast, we sit down with Josette Calleja, co-founder of Unplugged Canada, a grassroots, parent-led movement advocating for healthier childhoods in an overconnected world.Josette shares the personal story that sparked this national initiative and dives into Unplugged Canada's mission: to delay smartphone access until at least age 14, encourage tech-free play and connection, and protect children's mental health and developmental wellbeing from the harms of early and excessive screen exposure.Together, we explore:Why so many parents are saying “not yet” to smartphonesThe growing body of research behind digital overuse and youth mental healthThe importance of the Unplugged Pledge and building community around shared valuesWhat families and schools can do to support kids in thriving offlineThis conversation is both eye-opening and empowering—a call to action for anyone concerned about the future of childhood in a screen-saturated society.Wanting more from ICP? Get 50 % off our annual membership with the coupon code: PODCAST5090+ courses on parenting and children's mental healthPrivate community where you can feel supportedWorkbooks, parenting scripts, and printablesMember-only Webinars Course Certificates for Continuing EducationAccess to our Certification ProgramLive Q & A Sessions for Parents & ProfesssionalsBi-Annual Parenting & Mental Health ConferencesDownloadable Social Media CollectionRobust Resource LibraryClick here for moreTo find out more about Unplugged Canada, click here: https://unpluggedcanada.com/ambassadors/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to yet another episode of the Build In Public Podcast!

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the Apple AI paper and critical lessons for effective prompting, plus a deep dive into reasoning models. You’ll learn what reasoning models are and why they sometimes struggle with complex tasks, especially when dealing with contradictory information. You’ll discover crucial insights about AI’s “stateless” nature, which means every prompt starts fresh and can lead to models getting confused. You’ll gain practical strategies for effective prompting, like starting new chats for different tasks and removing irrelevant information to improve AI output. You’ll understand why treating AI like a focused, smart intern will help you get the best results from your generative AI tools. Tune in to learn how to master your AI interactions! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-how-generative-ai-reasoning-models-work.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In Ear Insights, there is so much in the AI world to talk about. One of the things that came out recently that I think is worth discussing, because we can talk about the basics of good prompting as part of it, Katie, is a paper from Apple. Apple’s AI efforts themselves have stalled a bit, showing that reasoning models, when given very complex puzzles—logic-based puzzles or spatial-based puzzles, like moving blocks from stack to stack and getting them in the correct order—hit a wall after a while and then just collapse and can’t do anything. So, the interpretation of the paper is that there are limits to what reasoning models can do and that they can kind of confuse themselves. On LinkedIn and social media and stuff, Christopher S. Penn – 00:52 Of course, people have taken this to the illogical extreme, saying artificial intelligence is stupid, nobody should use it, or artificial general intelligence will never happen. None of that is within the paper. Apple was looking at a very specific, narrow band of reasoning, called deductive reasoning. So what I thought we’d talk about today is the paper itself to a degree—not a ton about it—and then what lessons we can learn from it that will make our own AI practices better. So to start off, when we talk about reasoning, Katie, particularly you as our human expert, what does reasoning mean to the human? Katie Robbert – 01:35 When I think, if you say, “Can you give me a reasonable answer?” or “What is your reason?” Thinking about the different ways that the word is casually thrown around for humans. The way that I think about it is, if you’re looking for a reasonable answer to something, then that means that you are putting the expectation on me that I have done some kind of due diligence and I have gathered some kind of data to then say, “This is the response that I’m going to give you, and here are the justifications as to why.” So I have some sort of a data-backed thinking in terms of why I’ve given you that information. When I think about a reasoning model, Katie Robbert – 02:24 Now, I am not the AI expert on the team, so this is just my, I’ll call it, amateurish understanding of these things. So, a reasoning model, I would imagine, is similar in that you give it a task and it’s, “Okay, I’m going to go ahead and see what I have in my bank of information for this task that you’re asking me about, and then I’m going to do my best to complete the task.” When I hear that there are limitations to reasoning models, I guess my first question for you, Chris, is if these are logic problems—complete this puzzle or unfurl this ball of yarn, kind of a thing, a complex thing that takes some focus. Katie Robbert – 03:13 It’s not that AI can’t do this; computers can do those things. So, I guess what I’m trying to ask is, why can’t these reasoning models do it if computers in general can do those things? Christopher S. Penn – 03:32 So you hit on a really important point. The tasks that are in this reasoning evaluation are deterministic tasks. There’s a right and wrong answer, and what they’re supposed to test is a model’s ability to think through. Can it get to that? So a reasoning model—I think this is a really great opportunity to discuss this. And for those who are listening, this will be available on our YouTube channel. A reasoning model is different from a regular model in that it thinks things through in sort of a first draft. So I’m showing DeepSeq. There’s a button here called DeepThink, which switches models from V3, which is a non-reasoning model, to a reasoning model. So watch what happens. I’m going to type in a very simple question: “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” Katie Robbert – 04:22 And I like how you think that’s a simple question, but that’s been sort of the perplexing question for as long as humans have existed. Christopher S. Penn – 04:32 And what you see here is this little thinking box. This thinking box is the model attempting to solve the question first in a rough draft. And then, if I had closed up, it would say, “Here is the answer.” So, a reasoning model is essentially—we call it, I call it, a hidden first-draft model—where it tries to do a first draft, evaluates its own first draft, and then produces an answer. That’s really all it is. I mean, yes, there’s some mathematics going on behind the scenes that are probably not of use to folks listening to or watching the podcast. But at its core, this is what a reasoning model does. Christopher S. Penn – 05:11 Now, if I were to take the exact same prompt, start a new chat here, and instead of turning off the deep think, what you will see is that thinking box will no longer appear. It will just try to solve it as is. In OpenAI’s ecosystem—the ChatGPT ecosystem—when you pull down that drop-down of the 82 different models that you have a choice from, there are ones that are called non-reasoning models: GPT4O, GPT4.1. And then there are the reasoning models: 0304 mini, 04 mini high, etc. OpenAI has done a great job of making it as difficult as possible to understand which model you should use. But that’s reasoning versus non-reasoning. Google, very interestingly, has moved all of their models to reasoning. Christopher S. Penn – 05:58 So, no matter what version of Gemini you’re using, it is a reasoning model because Google’s opinion is that it creates a better response. So, Apple was specifically testing reasoning models because in most tests—if I go to one of my favorite websites, ArtificialAnalysis.ai, which sort of does a nice roundup of smart models—you’ll notice that reasoning models are here. And if you want to check this out and you’re listening, ArtificialAnalysis.ai is a great benchmark set that wraps up all the other benchmarks together. You can see that the leaderboards for all the major thinking tests are all reasoning models, because that ability for a model to talk things out by itself—really having a conversation with self—leads to much better results. This applies even for something as simple as a blog post, like, “Hey, let’s write a blog post about B2B marketing.” Christopher S. Penn – 06:49 Using a reasoning model will let the model basically do its own first draft, critique itself, and then produce a better result. So that’s what a reasoning model is, and why they’re so important. Katie Robbert – 07:02 But that didn’t really answer my question, though. I mean, I guess maybe it did. And I think this is where someone like me, who isn’t as technically inclined or isn’t in the weeds with this, is struggling to understand. So I understand what you’re saying in terms of what a reasoning model is. A reasoning model, for all intents and purposes, is basically a model that’s going to talk through its responses. I’ve seen this happen in Google Gemini. When I use it, it’s, “Okay, let me see. You’re asking me to do this. Let me see what I have in the memory banks. Do I have enough information? Let me go ahead and give it a shot to answer the question.” That’s basically the synopsis of what you’re going to get in a reasoning model. Katie Robbert – 07:48 But if computers—forget AI for a second—if calculations in general can solve those logic problems that are yes or no, very black and white, deterministic, as you’re saying, why wouldn’t a reasoning model be able to solve a puzzle that only has one answer? Christopher S. Penn – 08:09 For the same reason they can’t do math, because the type of puzzle they’re doing is a spatial reasoning puzzle which requires—it does have a right answer—but generative AI can’t actually think. It is a probabilistic model that predicts based on patterns it’s seen. It’s a pattern-matching model. It’s the world’s most complex next-word prediction machine. And just like mathematics, predicting, working out a spatial reasoning puzzle is not a word problem. You can’t talk it out. You have to be able to visualize in your head, map it—moving things from stack to stack—and then coming up with the right answers. Humans can do this because we have many different kinds of reasoning: spatial reasoning, musical reasoning, speech reasoning, writing reasoning, deductive and inductive and abductive reasoning. Christopher S. Penn – 09:03 And this particular test was testing two of those kinds of reasoning, one of which models can’t do because it’s saying, “Okay, I want a blender to fry my steak.” No matter how hard you try, that blender is never going to pan-fry a steak like a cast iron pan will. The model simply can’t do it. In the same way, it can’t do math. It tries to predict patterns based on what’s been trained on. But if you’ve come up with a novel test that the model has never seen before and is not in its training data, it cannot—it literally cannot—repeat that task because it is outside the domain of language, which is what it’s predicting on. Christopher S. Penn – 09:42 So it’s a deterministic task, but it’s a deterministic task outside of what the model can actually do and has never seen before. Katie Robbert – 09:50 So then, if I am following correctly—which, I’ll be honest, this is a hard one for me to follow the thread of thinking on—if Apple published a paper that large language models can’t do this theoretically, I mean, perhaps my assumption is incorrect. I would think that the minds at Apple would be smarter than collectively, Chris, you and I, and would know this information—that was the wrong task to match with a reasoning model. Therefore, let’s not publish a paper about it. That’s like saying, “I’m going to publish a headline saying that Katie can’t run a five-minute mile; therefore, she’s going to die tomorrow, she’s out of shape.” No, I can’t run a five-minute mile. That’s a fact. I’m not a runner. I’m not physically built for it. Katie Robbert – 10:45 But now you’re publishing some kind of information about it that’s completely fake and getting people in the running industry all kinds of hyped up about it. It’s irresponsible reporting. So, I guess that’s sort of my other question. If the big minds at Apple, who understand AI better than I ever hope to, know that this is the wrong task paired with the wrong model, why are they getting us all worked up about this thing by publishing a paper on it that sounds like it’s totally incorrect? Christopher S. Penn – 11:21 There are some very cynical hot takes on this, mainly that Apple’s own AI implementation was botched so badly that they look like a bunch of losers. We’ll leave that speculation to the speculators on LinkedIn. Fundamentally, if you read the paper—particularly the abstract—one of the things they were trying to test is, “Is it true?” They did not have proof that models couldn’t do this. Even though, yes, if you know language models, you would know this task is not well suited to it in the same way that they’re really not suited to geography. Ask them what the five nearest cities to Boston are, show them a map. They cannot figure that out in the same way that you and I use actual spatial reasoning. Christopher S. Penn – 12:03 They’re going to use other forms of essentially tokenization and prediction to try and get there. But it’s not the same and it won’t give the same answers that you or I will. It’s one of those areas where, yeah, these models are very sophisticated and have a ton of capabilities that you and I don’t have. But this particular test was on something that they can’t do. That’s asking them to do complex math. They cannot do it because it’s not within the capabilities. Katie Robbert – 12:31 But I guess that’s what I don’t understand. If Apple’s reputation aside, if the data scientists at that company knew—they already knew going in—it seems like a big fat waste of time because you already know the answer. You can position it, however, it’s scientific, it’s a hypothesis. We wanted to prove it wasn’t true. Okay, we know it’s not true. Why publish a paper on it and get people all riled up? If it is a PR play to try to save face, to be, “Well, it’s not our implementation that’s bad, it’s AI in general that’s poorly constructed.” Because I would imagine—again, this is a very naive perspective on it. Katie Robbert – 13:15 I don’t know if Apple was trying to create their own or if they were building on top of an existing model and their implementation and integration didn’t work. Therefore, now they’re trying to crap all over all of the other model makers. It seems like a big fat waste of time. When I—if I was the one who was looking at the budget—I’m, “Why do we publish that paper?” We already knew the answer. That was a waste of time and resources. What are we doing? I’m genuinely, again, maybe naive. I’m genuinely confused by this whole thing as to why it exists in the first place. Christopher S. Penn – 13:53 And we don’t have answers. No one from Apple has given us any. However, what I think is useful here for those of us who are working with AI every day is some of the lessons that we can learn from the paper. Number one: the paper, by the way, did not explain particularly well why it thinks models collapsed. It actually did, I think, a very poor job of that. If you’ve worked with generative AI models—particularly local models, which are models that you run on your computer—you might have a better idea of what happened, that these models just collapsed on these reasoning tasks. And it all comes down to one fundamental thing, which is: every time you have an interaction with an AI model, these models are called stateless. They remember nothing. They remember absolutely nothing. Christopher S. Penn – 14:44 So every time you prompt a model, it’s starting over from scratch. I’ll give you an example. We’ll start here. We’ll say, “What’s the best way to cook a steak?” Very simple question. And it’s going to spit out a bunch of text behind the scenes. And I’m showing my screen here for those who are listening. You can see the actual prompt appearing in the text, and then it is generating lots of answers. I’m going to stop that there just for a moment. And now I’m going to ask the same question: “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” Christopher S. Penn – 15:34 The history of the steak question is also part of the prompt. So, I’ve changed conversation. You and I, in a chat or a text—group text, whatever—we would just look at the most recent interactions. AI doesn’t do that. It takes into account everything that is in the conversation. So, the reason why these models collapsed on these tasks is because they were trying to solve it. And when they’re thinking aloud, remember that first draft we showed? All of the first draft language becomes part of the next prompt. So if I said to you, Katie, “Let me give you some directions on how to get to my house.” First, you’re gonna take a right, then you take a left, and then you’re gonna go straight for two miles, and take a right, and then. Christopher S. Penn – 16:12 Oh, wait, no—actually, no, there’s a gas station. Left. No, take a left there. No, take a right there, and then go another two miles. If I give you those instructions, which are full of all these back twists and turns and contradictions, you’re, “Dude, I’m not coming over.” Katie Robbert – 16:26 Yeah, I’m not leaving my house for that. Christopher S. Penn – 16:29 Exactly. Katie Robbert – 16:29 Absolutely not. Christopher S. Penn – 16:31 Absolutely. And that’s what happens when these reasoning models try to reason things out. They fill up their chat with so many contradicting answers as they try to solve the problem that on the next turn, guess what? They have to reprocess everything they’ve talked about. And so they just get lost. Because they’re reading the whole conversation every time as though it was a new conversation. They’re, “I don’t know what’s going on.” You said, “Go left,” but they said, “Go right.” And so they get lost. So here’s the key thing to remember when you’re working with any generative AI tool: you want to keep as much relevant stuff in the conversation as possible and remove or eliminate irrelevant stuff. Christopher S. Penn – 17:16 So it’s a really bad idea, for example, to have a chat where you’re saying, “Let’s write a blog post about B2B marketing.” And then say, “Oh, I need to come up with an ideal customer profile.” Because all the stuff that was in the first part about your B2B marketing blog post is now in the conversation about the ICP. And so you’re polluting it with a less relevant piece of text. So, there are a couple rules. Number one: try to keep each chat distinct to a specific task. I’m writing a blog post in the chat. Oh, I want to work on an ICP. Start a new chat. Start a new chat. And two: if you have a tool that allows you to do it, never say, “Forget what I said previously. And do this instead.” It doesn’t work. Instead, delete if you can, the stuff that was wrong so that it’s not in the conversation history anymore. Katie Robbert – 18:05 So, basically, you have to put blinders on your horse to keep it from getting distracted. Christopher S. Penn – 18:09 Exactly. Katie Robbert – 18:13 Why isn’t this more common knowledge in terms of how to use generative AI correctly or a reasoning model versus a non-reasoning model? I mean, again, I look at it from a perspective of someone who’s barely scratching the surface of keeping up with what’s happening, and it feels—I understand when people say it feels overwhelming. I feel like I’m falling behind. I get that because yes, there’s a lot that I can do and teach and educate about generative AI, but when you start to get into this kind of minutiae—if someone opened up their ChatGPT account and said, “Which model should I use?”—I would probably look like a deer in headlights. I’d be, “I don’t know.” I’d probably. Katie Robbert – 19:04 What I would probably do is buy myself some time and start with, “What’s the problem you’re trying to solve? What is it you’re trying to do?” while in the background, I’m Googling for it because I feel this changes so quickly that unless you’re a power user, you have no idea. It tells you at a basic level: “Good for writing, great for quick coding.” But O3 uses advanced reasoning. That doesn’t tell me what I need to know. O4 mini high—by the way, they need to get a brand specialist in there. Great at coding and visual learning. But GPT 4.1 is also great for coding. Christopher S. Penn – 19:56 Yes, of all the major providers, OpenAI is the most incoherent. Katie Robbert – 20:00 It’s making my eye twitch looking at this. And I’m, “I just want the model to interpret the really weird dream I had last night. Which one am I supposed to pick?” Christopher S. Penn – 20:10 Exactly. So, to your answer, why isn’t this more common? It’s because this is the experience almost everybody has with generative AI. What they don’t experience is this: where you’re looking at the underpinnings. You’ve opened up the hood, and you’re looking under the hood and going, “Oh, that’s what’s going on inside.” And because no one except for the nerds have this experience—which is the bare metal looking behind the scenes—you don’t understand the mechanism of why something works. And because of that, you don’t know how to tune it for maximum performance, and you don’t know these relatively straightforward concepts that are hidden because the tech providers, somewhat sensibly, have put away all the complexity that you might want to use to tune it. Christopher S. Penn – 21:06 They just want people to use it and not get overwhelmed by an interface that looks like a 747 cockpit. That oversimplification makes these tools harder to use to get great results out of, because you don’t know when you’re doing something that is running contrary to what the tool can actually do, like saying, “Forget previous instructions, do this now.” Yes, the reasoning models can try and accommodate that, but at the end of the day, it’s still in the chat, it’s still in the memory, which means that every time that you add a new line to the chat, it’s having to reprocess the entire thing. So, I understand from a user experience why they’ve oversimplified it, but they’ve also done an absolutely horrible job of documenting best practices. They’ve also done a horrible job of naming these things. Christopher S. Penn – 21:57 Ironically, of all those model names, O3 is the best model to use. Be, “What about 04? That’s a number higher.” No, it’s not as good. “Let’s use 4.” I saw somebody saying, “GPT 401 is a bigger number than 03.” So 4:1 is a better model. No, it’s not. Katie Robbert – 22:15 But that’s the thing. To someone who isn’t on the OpenAI team, we don’t know that. It’s giving me flashbacks and PTSD from when I used to manage a software development team, which I’ve talked about many times. And one of the unimportant, important arguments we used to have all the time was version numbers. So, every time we released a new version of the product we were building, we would do a version number along with release notes. And the release notes, for those who don’t know, were basically the quick: “Here’s what happened, here’s what’s new in this version.” And I gave them a very clear map of version numbers to use. Every time we do a release, the number would increase by whatever thing, so it would go sequentially. Katie Robbert – 23:11 What ended up happening, unsurprisingly, is that they didn’t listen to me and they released whatever number the software randomly kicked out. Where I was, “Okay, so version 1 is the CD-ROM. Version 2 is the desktop version. Versions 3 and 4 are the online versions that don’t have an additional software component. But yet, within those, okay, so CD-ROM, if it’s version one, okay, update version 1.2, and so on and so forth.” There was a whole reasoning to these number systems, and they were, “Okay, great, so version 0.05697Q.” And I was, “What does that even mean?” And they were, “Oh, well, that’s just what the system spit out.” I’m, “That’s not helpful.” And they weren’t thinking about it from the end user perspective, which is why I was there. Katie Robbert – 24:04 And to them that was a waste of time. They’re, “Oh, well, no one’s ever going to look at those version numbers. Nobody cares. They don’t need to understand them.” But what we’re seeing now is, yeah, people do. Now we need to understand what those model numbers mean. And so to a casual user—really, anyone, quite honestly—a bigger number means a newer model. Therefore, that must be the best one. That’s not an irrational way to be looking at those model numbers. So why are we the ones who are wrong? I’m getting very fired up about this because I’m frustrated, because they’re making it so hard for me to understand as a user. Therefore, I’m frustrated. And they are the ones who are making me feel like I’m falling behind even though I’m not. They’re just making it impossible to understand. Christopher S. Penn – 24:59 Yes. And that, because technical people are making products without consulting a product manager or UI/UX designer—literally anybody who can make a product accessible to the marketplace. A lot of these companies are just releasing bare metal engines and then expecting you to figure out the rest of the car. That’s fundamentally what’s happening. And that’s one of the reasons I think I wanted to talk through this stuff about the Apple paper today on the show. Because once we understand how reasoning models actually work—that they’re doing their own first drafts and the fundamental mechanisms behind the scenes—the reasoning model is not architecturally substantially different from a non-reasoning model. They’re all just word-prediction machines at the end of the day. Christopher S. Penn – 25:46 And so, if we take the four key lessons from this episode, these are the things that will help: delete irrelevant stuff whenever you can. Start over frequently. So, start a new chat frequently, do one task at a time, and then start a new chat. Don’t keep a long-running chat of everything. And there is no such thing as, “Pay no attention to the previous stuff,” because we all know it’s always in the conversation, and the whole thing is always being repeated. So if you follow those basic rules, plus in general, use a reasoning model unless you have a specific reason not to—because they’re generally better, which is what we saw with the ArtificialAnalysis.ai data—those five things will help you get better performance out of any AI tool. Katie Robbert – 26:38 Ironically, I feel the more AI evolves, the more you have to think about your interactions with humans. So, for example, if I’m talking to you, Chris, and I say, “Here are the five things I’m thinking about, but here’s the one thing I want you to focus on.” You’re, “What about the other four things?” Because maybe the other four things are of more interest to you than the one thing. And how often do we see this trope in movies where someone says, “Okay, there’s a guy over there.” “Don’t look. I said, “Don’t look.”” Don’t call attention to it if you don’t want someone to look at the thing. I feel more and more we are just—we need to know how to deal with humans. Katie Robbert – 27:22 Therefore, we can deal with AI because AI being built by humans is becoming easily distracted. So, don’t call attention to the shiny object and say, “Hey, see the shiny object right here? Don’t look at it.” What is the old, telling someone, “Don’t think of purple cows.” Christopher S. Penn – 27:41 Exactly. Katie Robbert – 27:41 And all. Christopher S. Penn – 27:42 You don’t think. Katie Robbert – 27:43 Yeah. That’s all I can think of now. And I’ve totally lost the plot of what you were actually talking about. If you don’t want your AI to be distracted, like you’re human, then don’t distract it. Put the blinders on. Christopher S. Penn – 27:57 Exactly. We say this, we’ve said this in our courses and our livestreams and podcasts and everything. Treat these things like the world’s smartest, most forgetful interns. Katie Robbert – 28:06 You would never easily distract it. Christopher S. Penn – 28:09 Yes. And an intern with ADHD. You would never give an intern 22 tasks at the same time. That’s just a recipe for disaster. You say, “Here’s the one task I want you to do. Here’s all the information you need to do it. I’m not going to give you anything that doesn’t relate to this task.” Go and do this task. And you will have success with the human and you will have success with the machine. Katie Robbert – 28:30 It’s like when I ask you to answer two questions and you only answer one, and I have to go back and re-ask the first question. It’s very much like dealing with people. In order to get good results, you have to meet the person where they are. So, if you’re getting frustrated with the other person, you need to look at what you’re doing and saying, “Am I overcomplicating it? Am I giving them more than they can handle?” And the same is true of machines. I think our expectation of what machines can do is wildly overestimated at this stage. Christopher S. Penn – 29:03 It definitely is. If you’ve got some thoughts about how you have seen reasoning and non-reasoning models behave and you want to share them, pop on by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights AI Analytics for Marketers, where over 4,200 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day about analytics, data science, and AI. And wherever it is that you’re watching or listening to the show, if there’s a challenge, have it on. Instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast, where you can find us in all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert – 29:39 Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. 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Have you ever been working on a deal where you had this feeling, this intuition, this Spidey sense—something in the back of your mind telling you that this wasn't going to close? That you were going to waste your time? Maybe you had one of the stakeholders who was against you—an enemy. There was a naysayer who kept calling you out. Perhaps the stakeholders weren't engaged, or the incumbent vendor was so integrated into the organization that it would be very difficult to displace them. Whatever the case, you knew in the back of your mind that you weren't going to close the deal. But you kept working on it anyway. You rode that puppy to the ocean floor like the Titanic that it was. If you've done this, and I know you have, take heart because we've all been there. We've all had these situations, and we've later regretted them.  Top Sales Pros are Quick to Walk Away From Bad Deals  One of the traits of Ultra-High Performers that has always been true is that they're very quick to walk away from a deal they can't close—a deal where they've concluded that the probability of winning is so low it doesn't meet their threshold. The reason Ultra-High Performers walk away from deals like this is simple: They know that the greatest waste of their time is investing it with the wrong prospect. The time they invest in a prospect that's not going to close is money down the drain, because it's time they can't focus on a deal that will close. But average salespeople? They hang on—hoping against hope that somehow, miraculously, things will turn around. In sales, awareness matters. You must always know where the exit is. There are two primary reasons why salespeople work on deals that are never going to close. Understanding these reasons is the first step to avoiding the trap. Reason #1: The Failure to Qualify Properly Too often, qualifying is treated like a one-and-done activity. We qualify the opportunity against our ICP. We qualify the numbers, budget, timing, urgency, and whether we're talking to a decision-maker with buying authority.  These are all quantifiable metrics that we can measure and check off our list.  But Ultra-High Performers take qualifying to the next level. Rather than making it a quick process, they understand that qualifying is never done. It's an ongoing process of awareness that keeps you tethered to reality in every deal. And their top qualifier, once they've checked off the must-haves, is engagement. Are the stakeholders engaged? Are they leaning in? Are they matching your effort, answering questions, and working collaboratively with you? It's okay that there are some stakeholders who may be naysayers. That's normal in complex deals. But if you've got stakeholders who are enemies—people who are actively working against you—then your deal might be a bridge too far.  Engagement is my No. 1 qualifier. I'm constantly asking questions and giving stakeholders things to do to see whether or not they're engaged. If they're not engaged, I walk away because lack of engagement is a clear signal that you are not going to close the deal.  Reason #2: An Empty Pipeline This brings us to the second reason salespeople stay in bad deals—desperation born from an empty pipeline. On Friday, Dennis J. Walker, who is a benefits consultant with USI, posted something on LinkedIn that perfectly captures this dynamic. Here's exactly what he wrote: Jeb Blount regularly states that you can't be delusional about your pipe, your prospects, your efforts, etc and be successful as a salesperson. This week one of the larger deals in my pipe definitely didn't progress the way I wanted- and it turns out one of the executives is what I call a "deal enemy" - he was actively working against me and my team. The last two meetings I've had with him tipped me off this could be the case; this week we had an incident that indicated he was actively working against us. Because my pipe is full?

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John Barrows is joined by Dan Sperring, founder of AlignICP, to unpack one of the most overlooked—but critical—elements of GTM success: your Ideal Customer Profile.Dan has made it his mission to help sales and marketing teams work together to define, refine, and activate a high-impact ICP strategy. The conversation dives into common ICP mistakes (like defaulting to company size or segment), how your ICP evolves year over year, and what characteristics actually matter when targeting the right customers.John and Dan also break down the data on vertical vs. horizontal selling, discuss sales efficiency, and share real-world tips for aligning GTM teams to hit their number more effectively—with less waste.If you want to stop guessing and start closing with clarity, this episode is a tactical must-listen.Are you interested in leveling up your sales skills and staying relevant in today's AI-driven landscape? Visit www.jbarrows.com and let's Make It Happen together!Connect with John on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbarrows/Connect with John on IG: https://www.instagram.com/johnmbarrows/Check out John's Membership: https://go.jbarrows.com/pages/individual-membership?ref=3edab1 Join John's Newsletter: https://www.jbarrows.com/newsletterConnect with Dan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dansperring/ and https://www.linkedin.com/company/86145623/Check out Dan's Website: www.alignicp.com

In this enlightening episode of the Child Psych Podcast, co-host Tammy Schamuhn sits down with the pioneering voice in play science—Dr. Stuart Brown, founder of the National Institute for Play and author of the groundbreaking book Play: How It Shapes the Brain, Opens the Imagination, and Invigorates the Soul.Together, they explore why play is not a luxury but a biological necessity for children and adults alike. Dr. Brown shares compelling research and surprising insights on how play is essential for healthy brain development, emotional regulation, creativity, empathy, and resilience. He also discusses the dangers of a play-deprived childhood and what parents, educators, and clinicians can do to foster playful experiences in a structured, screen-saturated world.Whether you're a parent, mental health professional, or educator, this episode will leave you rethinking the true value of play—and how we can reclaim it in our homes, schools, and communities.To purchase Dr. Brown's book please visit https://a.co/d/dAI9xijTo learn more about his work go to:Website: https://nifplay.org/Instagram: @playinstituteLinkedIn: @thenationalinstituteforplayWanting more from ICP? Get 50 % off our annual membership with the coupon code: PODCAST5090+ courses on parenting and children's mental healthPrivate community where you can feel supportedWorkbooks, parenting scripts, and printablesMember-only Webinars Course Certificates for Continuing EducationAccess to our Certification ProgramLive Q & A Sessions for Parents & ProfesssionalsBi-Annual Parenting & Mental Health ConferencesDownloadable Social Media CollectionRobust Resource LibraryClick here for more Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Before you spend a dime on advertising—or hire a marketing agency—you need to answer one foundational question: Who exactly are you trying to reach?  In this episode of the Machine Shop MBA series, Nick, Mike, and Paul sit down with Joe Sullivan, co-founder of Gorilla 76 and host of The Manufacturing Executive podcast, to break down the strategy behind smart marketing for job shops. Joe makes one thing clear from the jump: marketing isn't just sales turned up louder. Instead, it's about building trust before the buying conversation even starts. That means identifying your ideal customer profile (ICP), understanding their pain points, and crafting messages that speak directly to them—so when they're triggered to buy, they already know who you are. The conversation dives into the practical side of marketing strategy: defining your total addressable market, publishing your ICP, understanding buyer personas, and turning a few high-quality content pieces into lead-generating machines. Joe also shares real-world tips for measuring ROI, why your content distribution matters more than volume, and how even a 10-person shop can build a consistent, credible marketing engine. Whether you're starting your marketing journey or rethinking your current efforts, this episode gives you the roadmap to go from aimless activity to strategic growth. Stop being invisible—and start being the shop your best-fit customers call first. Segments (0:37) Grow your top and bottom line with CLA (2:50) Capturing demand vs. creating demand: Where shops go wrong (5:40) Defining and scoring ideal customers by fit and behavior (7:24) Why publishing your ideal client criteria helps filter leads (8:57) Step #1: Sizing your market realistically (13:00) “Riches are in the niches”: How tight positioning builds credibility (16:52) ICP vs. persona: company fit vs. human influencers (20:08) Foundational marketing steps to complete before execution (26:27) Moving from research to messaging: Strategy before tactics (30:15) Stay tuned: Top Shops 2025 registration coming soon (31:30) Playing the long game: Becoming next in line when a vendor fails (33:44) Content campaign thinking: Repurposing and repeating your core message (39:20) How to position your machine shop online (i.e. equipment list) (43:27) Bad blogs and lorem ipsum: When marketing is clearly an afterthought (44:43) Diving intro distribution—How to make content work for sales enablement (47:22) How do I know if it's working? Metrics that matter. (50:10) The real role of marketing vs. sales (54:17) The shift from reactive to proactive: Marketing as a strategic function (58:57) Closing thoughts: Play the long game, be specific, stay consistent (1:03:57) Bonus question: The importance of personal branding vs. company branding (1:08:05) Why you need to listen to the Lights Out Podcast  Resources mentioned on this episode The Tech Stack Advantage The Manufacturing Marketer podcast Building a StoryBrand Obviously Awesome New Sales. Simplified.  Joe@Gorilla76.com The Manufacturing Culture Podcast Rapidfire Manufacturing  Next Gen MFG Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

In this episode of The Revenue Builders Podcast hosted by John McMahon and John Kaplan, Chris Reising, a five-time Chief Revenue Officer (CRO) with extensive experience in scaling sales at early-stage tech companies, shares invaluable insights into the challenges and strategies involved in scaling sales functions for startups. From finding product-market fit to hiring the right sales reps and understanding the importance of pain points, this conversation provides a comprehensive guide for entrepreneurs looking to grow their businesses.KEY TAKEAWAYS[00:01:17] In the early stages of a startup, you must wear multiple hats, including being a product manager and a sales professional. Understanding the ICP and gathering customer insights are crucial.[00:02:31] The early days of a startup involve learning every day, attending sales meetings, understanding objections, and identifying the value your technology brings. Effective communication with the product team is key.[00:04:05] Investor relations play a significant role. Early-stage investors look for different data points, and their feedback can be invaluable in understanding market signals.[00:06:11] The importance of prioritizing technology components based on customer pain points and the potential to generate immediate revenue.[00:07:44] Recognizing a recurring pattern in sales discussions where customers react positively to specific functionalities is a sign of repeatability and scalability.[00:09:05] Founders who want to remain deeply involved in the sales process need guidance on when to step back. It's a common challenge in early-stage startups.[00:12:42] Breaking down a grand vision into bite-sized chunks of value that address specific business problems is crucial for achieving repeatability and market success.[00:13:30] Expanding the vision is essential but keeping the framework simple enough for the market and sales team to understand and execute is key to early-stage success.[00:13:50] The importance of focusing sales efforts on the most productive areas and avoiding the mistake of spreading sales teams too thin.HIGHLIGHT QUOTES[00:06:56] "When you start to recognize a recurring pattern...you start to say, 'Now I have some sense of repeatability,' and that's really important."[00:10:08] "There's a huge difference between a first and second-time founder...you need to help them understand that stepping away is an important part of growing the business."[00:13:01] "Recognize you've got to break that big vision down into bite-sized chunks that can be digested by your go-to-market team and by the market, by customers."[00:13:30] "Where are we going to place our salespeople? Where are they going to be the most productive? That's really a key point."Listen to the full episode with Chris Reisig in this link:https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/building-a-scalable-culture-with-chris-reisigEnjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox:https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0Check out John McMahon's book here:Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4

Mark Kosoglow reveals why most outbound fails before it even starts and how identifying the pain chain can radically improve your team's results.

When Brandon and Whitney Cawood discovered their child's life-altering sensitivity to synthetic dyes, their world changed overnight. In this powerful episode, we follow the Cawoods—parents turned first-time filmmakers—as they dig deep into the science, health risks, and corporate practices surrounding synthetic food dyes. What began as a personal journey evolved into a nationwide investigation, exposing just how little we know about the additives in our everyday foods. Join us for a conversation that's eye-opening, emotional, and a call to action for families everywhereTheir story is now a compelling documentary, To Dye For, which you can watch here: To Dye For Documentary. Wanting more from ICP? Get 50 % off our annual membership with the coupon code: PODCAST5090+ courses on parenting and children's mental healthPrivate community where you can feel supportedWorkbooks, parenting scripts, and printablesMember-only Webinars Course Certificates for Continuing EducationAccess to our Certification ProgramLive Q & A Sessions for Parents & ProfesssionalsBi-Annual Parenting & Mental Health ConferencesDownloadable Social Media CollectionRobust Resource LibraryClick here for more Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Post Streamathon: Streamathon was a great success! We also get word from Corey that new music is on the horizon! Violent J: In a full circle moment, we get communications from ICP's Violent J regarding our Corey Feldman content. We then check the ICP Theater show and get a call from a Culkin DE-PRESSED: We check out another performance from the video scrapbook and get a huge surprising reveal. COREY FELDMAN!, SHOW STOPPER!, LET'S JUST TALK!, DON CHEADLE!, BOOGIE NIGHTS!, JIM AND THEM IS POP CULTURE!, YOU KNOW THAT!, 7ISH!, REAL ONES!, TTS!, STAMP OF APPROVAL!, OUIJA BOARD!, SAY GOODBYE!, NATIONAL TREASURE!, NICHOLAS CAGE!, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN GATES!, STREAMATHON!, POST STREAMATHON!, STAY AWAKE!, ADRENALINE!, SOUND TIRED!, BEER!, JUKAIN!, JOKER!, MAX!, 5G!, VAXX!, CALLS!, MESSAGES!, MERGIM!, FIRST CONTACT!, 18 NUMBER ONE FILMS!, COREY IMPRESSION!, BEAVIS!, FIVERR!, DICKY ROBERTS!, DAVID SPADE!, NICK SWARDSON!, BUCKY LARSON!, 22 DAY!, COREY'S TWITTER!, DOLBY!, SURROUND!, AIRPODS MAX 2!, VIOLENT J!, INSANE CLOWN POSSE!, ICP!, DM!, INSTAGRAM!, HALLOWICKED!, FUSE!, ICP THEATER!, WIG!, SHAGGY 2 DOPE!, MICHAEL JACKSON!, BLACK AND WHITE!, SHANE CULKIN!, CALL IN!, RORY CULKIN!, MACAULAY CULKIN!, SUCCESSION!, WEEZER!, PLAYBOY MANSION!, COREY'S ANGELS!, RON JEREMY!, CREEP!, MC!, EAST COAST!, TRUTH MOVEMENT!, REAL SONG!, NOT BAD!, BLUES!, CRAZY!, LIVING IN A FISHBOWL!, VICTORIOUS!  You can find the videos from this episode at our Discord RIGHT HERE!

I've made it 1,900 episodes of The Sales Evangelist podcast. Not quite at 2,000 yet, but I'm close.But since I'm still going strong, I thought it would be a good idea to share the nine biggest sales lessons I've learned from hosting this podcast. Hopefully, one of these lessons will help you grow your sales pipeline too.1. There's No One Way of SellingEveryone is always asking me, “What's the number one method of selling?” If you want my honesty, there isn't one.From all of my interviews, I've found that it's best to focus on who you're going to sell to and how to break through the noise to grab their attention.I also recommend just testing out the different sales methods we share on this podcast. If it works for you, great; if it doesn't, then try another one.2. Always Be ProspectingI'm a firm believer that a seller should always be prospecting, even when you're closing deals. If you have options in the sales pipeline, great. But you should also always be figuring out how you can do a better job at sales prospecting to keep prospects coming to you.3. Accountability Moves Sales ForwardI've heard this over and over again from my countless conversations: sales reps need that one-on-one time so they can stay accountable.I share a story about how an old manager of mine stopped her one-on-one time with me. This caused me to slip up and make little mistakes from not receiving coaching.4. Be on LinkedInLinkedIn will always be a powerful tool in helping you find and close deals. I've found that when sellers aren't using LinkedIn correctly, they tend to struggle with prospecting.Connect, share, and engage on LinkedIn and see how your sales pipeline starts building.5. Address Objections FirstIf you don't handle the “nos” first, they'll be an issue later. Going back to episode 446, Tom Gates shares how easing a customer's objection can increase your win rate.Don't be afraid to bring it up; doing so will let you circle back when the prospect is ready to close a deal or prevent having unnecessary clients in your pipeline.6. Little Things WorkBob Berg shares details on how to get endless referrals, and he does this by just going the extra mile. Make yourself memorable by simply sending handwritten notes. The little things actually do work when trying to build your network.7. Sales Is About RelationshipsThere's so much information out there, and if you're not making things personal, prospects aren't going to connect with you.Go back to episode 1898; I share how relevancy and personalization give you a higher response rate. In the world of AI, no one wants robotic messages.8. Make Buying EasyTransparency is everything in sales, and people want to know what they're getting before they buy. Marcus Sheridan shares how giving the price upfront provides a mutual action plan that helps make it easier for prospects to buy from you.9. Understand Your ICPWhen you know who you're targeting, your message becomes clearer, and you have a higher closing rate. In episode 1625, I share why adapting to your ICP is important and how it