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New creators struggle to choose the right platform for monetization. Danielle Pederson, CMO at Amaze, explains how authenticity-first content strategy drives revenue generation. She outlines building genuine audience connections before platform selection, then leveraging merchandise sales through custom product design and direct fan engagement to convert followers into paying customers.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Roblox represents an untapped communication platform where virtual merchandise drives real emotional value. Danielle Pederson, CMO at Amaze, explains how her company bridges digital and physical brand experiences through avatar customization. She discusses launching Amaze Digital Fits on Roblox, creating avatar clothing that can be printed as matching physical products, and leveraging gaming platforms as social connection hubs for younger audiences.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Roblox represents an untapped communication platform where virtual merchandise drives real emotional value. Danielle Pederson, CMO at Amaze, explains how her company bridges digital and physical brand experiences through avatar customization. She discusses launching Amaze Digital Fits on Roblox, creating avatar clothing that can be printed as matching physical products, and leveraging gaming platforms as social connection hubs for younger audiences.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Album 7 Track 23 - The Alleyoop Advantage w/Gabe LulloIn this episode of Brands, Beats & Bytes, the Brand Nerds sit down with Gabe Lullo—CEO, storyteller, and music lover—to unpack what truly brings marketing and sales into harmony. Gabe shares sharp insights on leadership, storytelling, and why marketers must understand the sales call. DC delivers one of the show's most memorable reflections, comparing Gabe's business brilliance to Jimmy Page's iconic guitar licks—precise, rhythmic, and unforgettable. Packed with wisdom, personal lessons, and practical takeaways, this conversation is a masterclass in aligning teams, communicating with impact, and using stories to drive meaningful connection and momentum.Key Takeaways: Marketing & Sales Must Operate as OneDeliver Hard News ObjectivelyMarketers Should Listen to Sales CallsTreat “No” as Data, Not DefeatBuild the Process Manually Before Adding TechCommunicate in a Simple, Repeatable FrameworkStay Up-To-Date on All Things Brands, Beats, & Bytes on SocialInstagram | Twitter

CMOs face fragmented marketing spend across multiple brand portfolios. Danielle Pederson, CMO of Amaze, unified five creator-focused brands under one umbrella without losing individual brand equity. She implemented a phased taxonomy approach using "by Amaze" modifiers, consolidated three separate CRMs into HubSpot, and built a scalable architecture that allows new acquisitions to integrate immediately into the unified brand system.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

CMOs face fragmented marketing spend across multiple brand portfolios. Danielle Pederson, CMO of Amaze, unified five creator-focused brands under one umbrella without losing individual brand equity. She implemented a phased taxonomy approach using "by Amaze" modifiers, consolidated three separate CRMs into HubSpot, and built a scalable architecture that allows new acquisitions to integrate immediately into the unified brand system.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. You will understand why the content AI generates is legally unprotectable, preventing potential business losses. You will discover who is truly liable for copyright infringement when you publish AI-assisted content, shifting your risk management strategy. You will learn precise actions and methods you must implement to protect your valuable frameworks and creations from theft. You will gain crucial insight into performing necessary due diligence steps to avoid costly lawsuits before publishing any AI-derived work. Watch now to safeguard your brand and stay ahead of evolving legal risks! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-future-intellectual-property.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. Now, before we get started with this week’s episode, we have to put up the obligatory disclaimer: we are not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Please consult with a qualified legal expert practitioner for advice specific to your situation in your jurisdiction. And you will see this banner frequently because though we are knowledgeable about data and AI, we are not lawyers. We can, if you’d like, join our Slack group at Trust Insights, AI Analytics for Marketers, and we can recommend some people who are lawyers and can provide advice depending on your jurisdiction. So, Katie, this is a topic that you came across very recently. What’s the gist of it? Katie Robbert: So the backstory is I was sitting on a panel with an internal team and one of the audience members. We were talking about generative AI as a whole and what it means for the industry, where we are now, so on, so forth. And someone asked the question of intellectual property. Specifically, how has intellectual property management changed due to AI? And I thought that was a great question because I think that first and foremost, intellectual property is something that perhaps isn’t well understood in terms of how it works. And then I think that there’s we were talking about the notion of AI slop, but how do you get there? Aeo, geo, all your favorite terms. But basically the question is around: if we really break it down, how do I protect the things that I’m creating, but also let people know that it’s available? And that’s. I know this is going to come as a shocker. New tech doesn’t solve old problems, it just highlights it. So if you’re not protecting your assets, if you’re not filing for your copyrights and your trademarks and making sure that what is actually contained within your ecosystem of intellectual property, then you have no leg to stand on. And so just putting it out there in the world doesn’t mean that you own it. There are more regulated systems. They cost money. Again, as Chris mentioned, we’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Consult a qualified expert. My advice as a quasi creator is to consult with a legal team to ask them the questions of—let’s say, for example—I really want people to know what the 5P framework is. And the answer, I really do want that, but I don’t want to get ripped off. I don’t want people to create derivatives of it. I don’t want people to say, “Hey, that’s a really great idea, let me create my own version based on the hard work you’ve done,” and then make money off of you where you could be making money from the thing that you created. That’s the basic idea of this intellectual property. So the question that comes up is if I’m creating something that I want to own and I want to protect, but I also want large language models to serve it up as a result, or a search engine to serve it up as a result, how do I protect myself? Chris, I’m sure this is something that as a creator you’ve given a lot of thought to. So how has intellectual property changed due to AI? Christopher S. Penn: Here’s the good and bad news. The law in many places has not changed. The law is pretty firm, and while organizations like the U.S. Copyright Office have issued guidance, the actual laws have not changed. So let’s delineate five different kinds of mechanisms for this. There are copyrights which protect a tangible expression of work. So when you write a blog post, a copyright would protect that. There are patents. Patents protect an idea. Copyrights do not protect ideas. Patents do. Patents protect—like, hey, here is the patent for a toilet paper holder. Which by the way, fun fact, the roll is always over in the patent, which is the correct way to put toilet paper on. And then there are registrations. So there’s trademark, registered mark, and service mark. And these protect things like logos and stuff, brand names. So the 5Ps, for example, could be a service mark. And again, contact your lawyer for which things you need to do. But for example, with Trust Insights, the Trust Insights logo is something that is a registered mark, and the 5Ps are a service mark. Both are also protected by copyright, but they are different. And the reason they’re different is because you would press different kinds of lawsuits depending on it. Now this is also, we’re speaking from the USA. Every country’s laws about copyright are different. Now a lot of countries have signed on to this thing called the Berne Convention (B E R N, I think named after Switzerland), which basically tries to make common things like copyright, trademark, etc., but it’s still not universal. And there are many countries where those definitions are wildly different. In the USA under copyright, it was the 1978 Copyright Act, which essentially says the moment you create something, it is copyrighted. You would file for a copyright to have additional documentation, like irrefutable proof. This is the thing I worked on with my lawyers to prove that I actually made this thing. But under US law right now, the moment you, the human, create something, it is copyrighted. Now as this applies to AI, this is where things get messy. Because if you prompt Gemini or ChatGPT, “Write me a blog post about B2B marketing,” your prompt is copyrightable; the output is not. It was a case in 2018, *Naruto vs. Slater*, where a chimpanzee took a selfie, and there was a whole lawsuit that went on with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. They used the image, and it went to court, and the Supreme Court eventually ruled the chimp did the work. It held the camera, it did the work even though it was the photographer’s equipment, and therefore the chimp would own the copyright. Except chimps can’t own copyright. And so they established in that court case only humans can have copyright in the USA. Which means that if you prompt ChatGPT to write you a blog post, ChatGPT did the work, you did not. And therefore that blog post is not copyrightable. So the part of your question about what’s the future of intellectual property is if you are using AI to make something net new, it’s not copyrightable. You have no claim to intellectual property for that. Katie Robbert: So I want to go back to I think you said the 1978 reference, and I hear you when you say if you create something and put it out there, you own the copyright. I don’t think people care unless there is some kind of mark on it—the different kinds of copyright, trademark, whatever’s appropriate. I don’t think people care because it’s easy to fudge the data. And by that I mean I’m going to say, I saw this really great idea that Chris Penn put out there, and I wish I had thought of it first. So I’m going to put it out there, but I’m going to back date my blog post to one day before. And sure there are audit trails, and you can get into the technical, but at a high level it’s very easy for people to say, “No, I had that idea first,” or, “Yeah, Chris and I had a conversation that wasn’t recorded, but I totally gave him that idea. And he used it, and now he’s calling copyright. But it’s my idea.” I feel unless—and again, I’m going to put this up here because this is important: We’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice—unless you have some kind of piece of paper to back up your claim. Personally, this is one person’s opinion. I feel like it’s going to be harder for you to prove ownership of the thing. So, Chris, you and I have debated this. Why are we paying the legal team to file for these copyrights when we’ve already put it out there? Therefore, we own it. And my stance is we don’t own it enough. Christopher S. Penn: Yes. And fundamentally—Cary Gorgon said this not too long ago—”Write it or you’ll regret it.” Basically, if it isn’t written down, it never happens. So the foundation of all law, but especially copyright law, is receipts. You got to have receipts. And filing a formal copyright with the Copyright Office is about the strongest receipt you can have. You can say, my lawyer timestamped this, filed this, and this is admissible in a court of law as evidence and has been registered with a third party. Anything where there is a tangible record that you can prove. And to your point, some systems can be fudged. For example, one system that is oddly relatively immutable is things like Twitter, or formerly Twitter. You can’t backdate a tweet. You can edit a tweet up to an hour if you create it, but you can’t backdate it after that. You just have to delete it. There are sites like archive.org that crawl websites, and you can actually submit pages to them, and they have a record. But yes, without a doubt, having a qualified third party that has receipts is the strongest form of registration. Now, there’s an additional twist in the world of AI because why not? And that is the definition of derivative works. So there are 2 kinds of works you can make from a copyrighted piece of work. There’s a derivative, and then there’s a transformative work. A derivative work is a work that is derived from an initial piece of property, and you can tell there’s no reputation that is a derived piece of work. So, for example, if I take a picture of the Mona Lisa and I spray paint rabbit ears on it, it’s still pretty clearly the Mona Lisa. You could say, “Okay, yeah, that’s definitely derived work,” and it’s very clear that you made it from somebody else’s work. Derivative works inherit the copyright of the original. So if you don’t have permission—say we have copyrighted the 5Ps—and you decide, “I’m going to make the 6Ps and add one more to it,” that is a derived work and it inherits the copyright. This means if you do not get Trust Insights legal permission to make the 6Ps, you are violating intellectual properties, and we can sue you, and we will. The other form is a transformative work, which is where a work is taken and is transformed in such a way that it cannot be told what the original work was, and no one could mistake it for it. So if you took the Mona Lisa, put it in a paper shredder and turned it into a little sculpture of a rabbit, that would be a transformative work. You would be going to jail by the French government. But that transformed work is unrecognizable as the Mona Lisa. No one would mistake a sculpture of a rabbit made out of pulp paper and canvas from the original painting. What has happened in the world of AI is that model makers like ChatGPT, OpenAI—the model is a big pile of statistics. No one would mistake your blog post or your original piece of art or your drawing or your photo for a pile of statistics. They are clearly not the same thing. And courts have begun to rule that an AI model is not a violation of copyright because it is a transformative work. Katie Robbert: So let’s talk a little bit about some of those lawsuits. There have been, especially with public figures, a lot of lawsuits filed around generative models, large language models using “public domain information.” And this is big quotes: We are not lawyers. So let’s say somebody was like, “I want to train my model on everything that Chris and Katie have ever done.” So they have our YouTube channel, they have our LinkedIn, they have our website. We put a lot of content out there as creators, and so they’re going to go ahead and take all of that data, put it into a large language model and say, “Great, now I know everything that Katie and Chris know. I’m going to start to create my own stuff based on their knowledge block.” That’s where I think it’s getting really messy because a lot of people who are a lot more famous and have a lot more money than us can actually bring those lawsuits to say, “You can’t use my likeness without my permission.” And so that’s where I think, when we talk about how IP management is changing, to me, that’s where it’s getting really messy. Christopher S. Penn: So the case happened—was it this June 2025, August 2020? Sometime this summer. It was *Bart’s versus Anthropic*. The judge, it was District Court of Northern California, ruled that AI models are transformative. In that case, Anthropic, the makers of Claude, was essentially told, “Your model, which was trained on other people’s copyrighted works, is not a violation of intellectual property rights.” However, the liability then passes to the user. So if I use Claude and I say, “Let’s write a book called *Perry Hotter* about a kid magician,” and I publish it, Anthropic has no legal liability in this case because their model is not a representation of *Harry Potter*. My very thinly disguised derivative work is. And the liability as the user of the model is mine. So one of the things—and again, our friend Cary Gorgon talked about this at her session at Marketing Prosporum this year—you, as the producer of works, whether you use AI or not, have an obligation, a legal obligation, to validate that you are not ripping off somebody else. If you make a piece of artwork and it very strongly resembles this particular artist, Gemini or ChatGPT is not liable, but you are. So if you make a famously oddly familiar looking mouse as a cartoon logo on your stationary, a lawyer from Disney will come by and punch you in the face, legally speaking. And just because you used AI does not indemnify you from violating Disney’s copyrights. So part of intellectual property management, a key step is you got to do your homework and say, “Hey, have I ripped off somebody else?” Katie Robbert: So let’s talk about that a little more because I feel like there’s a lot to unpack there. So let’s go back to the example of, “Hey, Gemini, write me a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026.” And it writes the blog post and you publish it. And Andy Crestedina is, “Hey, that’s verbatim, word for word what I said,” but it wasn’t listed as a source. And the model doesn’t say, “By the way, I was trained on all of Andy Crestedina’s work.” You’re just, “Here’s a blog post that I’m going to use.” How do users—I hear you saying, “Do your homework,” do due diligence, but what does that look like? What does it look like for a user to do that due diligence? Because it’s adding—rightfully so—more work into the process to protect yourself. But I don’t think people are doing that. Christopher S. Penn: People for sure are not doing that. And this is where it becomes very muddy because ideas cannot be copyrighted. So if I have an idea for, say, a way to do requirements gathering, I cannot copyright that idea. I can copyright my expression of that idea, and there’s a lot of nuance for it. The 5P framework, for example, from Trust Insights, is a tangible expression of the idea. We are copywriting the literal words. So this is where you get into things like plagiarism. Plagiarism is not illegal. Violation of copyright is. Plagiarism is unethical. And in colleges, it’s a violation of academic honesty codes. But it is not illegal because as long as you’re changing the words, it is not the same tangible fixed expression. So if I had the 5T framework instead of the 5P framework, that is plagiarism of the idea. But it is not a violation of the copyright itself because the copyright protects the fixed expression. So if someone’s using a 5P and it’s purpose, people, process, platform, performance, that is protected. If it’s with T’s or Z’s or whatever that is, that’s a harder thing. You’re gonna have a longer court case, whereas the initial one, you just rip off the 5Ps and call it yours, and scratch off Katie Robbert and put Bob Jones. Bob’s getting sued, and Bob’s gonna lose pretty quickly in court. So don’t do that. So the guaranteed way to protect yourself across the board is for you to start with a human originated work. So this podcast, for example, there’s obviously proof that you and I are saying the words aloud. We have a recording of it. And if we were to put this into generative AI and turn it into a blog post or series of blog posts, we have this receipt—literally us saying these words coming out of our mouths. That is evidence, it’s receipts, that these are our original human led thoughts. So no matter how much AI we use on this, we can show in a court, in a lawsuit, “This came from us.” So if someone said, “Chris and Katie, you stole my intellectual property infringement blog post,” we can clearly say we did not. It just came from our podcast episode, and ideas are not copyrightable. Katie Robbert: But I guess that goes—the question I’m asking is—let’s say, let’s plead ignorant for a second. Let’s say that your shiny-faced, brand new marketing coordinator has been asked to write a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026, and they’re like, “This is great, let me just use ChatGPT to write this post or at least get a draft.” And they’re brand new to the workforce. Again, I’m pleading ignorant. They’re brand new to the workforce, they don’t know that plagiarism and copyright—they understand the concepts, but they’re not thinking about it in terms of, “This is going to happen to me.” Or let’s just go ahead and say that there’s an entitled senior executive who thinks that they’re impervious to any sort of bad consequences. Same thing, whatever. What kind of steps should that person be taking to ensure that if they’re using these large language models that are trained on copyrighted information, they themselves are not violating copyright? Is there a magic—I know I’m putting you on the spot—is there a magic prompt? Is there a process? Is there a tool that someone could use to supplement to—”All right, Bob Jones, you’ve ripped off Katie 5 times this year. We don’t need any more lawsuits. I really need you to start checking your work because Katie’s going to come after you and make sure that we never work in this town again.” What can Bob do to make sure that I don’t put his whole company out? Christopher S. Penn: So the good news is there are companies that are mostly in the education space that specialize in detecting plagiarism. Turnitin, for example, is a well-known one. These companies also offer AI detectors. Their AI detectors are bullshit. They completely do not work. But they are very good and provenly good at detecting when you have just copied and pasted somebody else’s work or very closely to it. So there are commercial services, gazillions of them, that can detect basically copyright infringement. And so if you are very risk averse and you are concerned about a junior employee or a senior employee who is just copy/pasting somebody else’s stuff, these services (and you can get plugins for your blog, you can get plugins for your software) are capable of detecting and saying, “Yep, here’s the citation that I found that matches this.” You can even copy and paste a paragraph of the text, put it into Google and put it in quotes. And if it’s an exact copy, Google will find and say, “This is where this comes from.” Long ago I had a situation like this. In 2006, we had a junior person on a content team at the financial services company I was using, and they were of the completely mistaken opinion that if it’s on the internet, it is free to use. They copied and pasted a graphic for one of our blog posts. We got a $60,000 bill—$60,000 for one image from Getty Images—saying, “You owe us money because you used one of our works without permission,” and we had to pay it. That person was let go because they cost the company more than their salary, twice their salary. So the short of it is make sure that if you are risk averse, you have these tools—they are annual subscriptions at the very minimum. And I like this rule that Cary said, particularly for people who are more experienced: if it sounds familiar, you got to check it. If AI makes something and you’re like, “That sounds awfully familiar,” you got to check it. Now you do have to have someone senior who has experience who can say, “That sounds a lot like Andy, or that sounds a lot like Lily Ray, or that sounds a lot like Alita Solis,” to know that’s a problem. But between that and plagiarism detection software, you can in a court of law say you made best reasonable efforts to prevent that. And typically what happens is that first you’ll get a polite request, “Hey, this looks kind of familiar, would you mind changing it?” If you ignore that, then your lawyer sends a cease and desist letter saying, “Hey, you violated my client’s copyright, remove this or else.” And if you still ignore that, then you go to lawsuit. This is the normal progression, at least in the US system. Katie Robbert: And so, I think the takeaway here is, even if it doesn’t sound familiar, we as humans are ingesting so much information all day, every day, whether we realize it or not, that something that may seem like a millisecond data input into our brain could stick in our subconscious, without getting too deep in how all of that works. The big takeaway is just double check your work because large language models do not give a flying turkey if the material is copyrighted or not. That’s not their problem. It is your problem. So you can’t say, “Well, that’s what ChatGPT gave me, so it’s its fault.” It’s a machine, it doesn’t care. You can take heart all you want, it doesn’t matter. You as the human are on the hook. Flip side of that, if you’re a creator, make sure you’re working with your legal team to know exactly what those boundaries are in terms of your own protection. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. And for that part in particular, copyright should scale with importance. You do not need to file a copyright for every blog post you write. But if it’s something that is going to be big, like the Trust Insights 5P framework or the 6C framework or the TRIPS framework, yeah, go ahead and spend the money and get the receipts that will stand up beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. If you think you’re going to have to go to the mat for something that is your bread and butter, invest the money in a good legal team and invest the money to do those filings. Because those receipts are worth their weight in gold. Katie Robbert: And in case anyone is wondering, yes, the 5Ps are covered, and so are all of our major frameworks because I am super risk averse, and I like to have those receipts. A big fan of receipts. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts that you want to share about how you’re looking at intellectual property in the world of AI, and you want to share them, pop by our Slack. Go to Trust Insights AI Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,500 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast. You’ll find us in most of the places that fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in, and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth and acumen and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and MarTech selection and implementation, and high level strategic consulting encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic, Claude, Dall E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMO or data scientists to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What Livestream webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights are adept at leveraging cutting edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations, data storytelling. This commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources, which empower marketers to become more data driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. Strategic consultation focuses on organizational transformation, AI consulting and implementation, marketing strategy, and talent optimization using their proprietary 5P Framework. Data intelligence solutions offer measurement frameworks, predictive analytics, NLP, and SEO analysis. Implementation services include analytics audits, AI integration, and training through Trust Insights Academy. Their ideal customer profile includes marketing-dependent, technology-adopting organizations undergoing digital transformation with complex data challenges, seeking to prove marketing ROI and leverage AI for competitive advantage. Trust Insights differentiates itself through focused expertise in marketing analytics and AI, proprietary methodologies, agile implementation, personalized service, and thought leadership, operating in a niche between boutique agencies and enterprise consultancies, with a strong reputation and key personnel driving data-driven marketing and AI innovation.

MarTech platforms fail when brands can't bridge digital and physical experiences. Danielle Pederson, CMO at Amaze, explains how virtual merchandise creates real emotional connections with younger audiences. She discusses launching Amaze Digital Fits on Roblox to let users dress avatars and purchase matching physical products. The strategy treats gaming platforms as communication channels rather than just entertainment, recognizing how Gen Z builds community through digital-first interactions.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

MarTech platforms fail when brands can't bridge digital and physical experiences. Danielle Pederson, CMO at Amaze, explains how virtual merchandise creates real emotional connections with younger audiences. She discusses launching Amaze Digital Fits on Roblox to let users dress avatars and purchase matching physical products. The strategy treats gaming platforms as communication channels rather than just entertainment, recognizing how Gen Z builds community through digital-first interactions.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Michael Treff, the CEO of Code and Theory joins us for our 150th Show to share observations on the major forces impacting the B2B space. Michael details how "empowered buyers" are forcing sellers to increase focus on customer value creation and transforming marketing and sales from "leads to information" which is also shifting spending to capital expense. Key topics include: why the next AI frontier is customer experience; the need for companies to have both a long and short-term AI plans; why budgeting won't get any easier and; the gap between the CX problems and CX actions. Tune in to hear why you need to have an "AI plan for your humans" and learn if you need " a personalized relationship with your mustard."CMO Confidential #150: Michael Treff on B2B's Year-In-Review, What's Next, and How AI Will Actually Drive Growth**B2B is being rebuilt from the core. Michael explains why budgets are shifting from media to infrastructure, how the funnel is being rewritten by agentic search, and where AI must move from efficiency to growth. We also cover the KPIs that matter, budgeting realism for 2026, and three things every CMO should know by the end of next year. Sponsored by Typeface—the agentic AI marketing platform helping brands turn one idea into thousands of on-brand experiences. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo. **Chapters**00:00 Intro + show setup01:00 Sponsor: Typeface — agentic AI marketing, enterprise-grade & integrated02:00 Guest intro: Michael Treff, CEO of Code and Theory03:00 B2B landscape: investment shifts, changing journeys, disintermediation07:00 From MQLs to value: sales enablement and end-to-end outcomes10:00 Mid-roll: Typeface ARC agents & content lifecycle11:00 Why suites win: implementation and value realization after the sale15:00 AI phases: Wave 1 (efficiency) → Wave 2 (growth) pressures on agencies17:00 CX as the bridge: measure outcomes, not vanity metrics22:00 Roadmaps, humans, and culture—planning beyond point tools26:00 Budget reality check: deliberation, polarization, and trade-offs29:00 Personalization vs. business impact—what to fund and measure33:00 By end of 2026: know your human plan, AI maturity, and new journeys35:00 2026 prediction: the ROI vice tightens—agencies must be consultative36:00 Closing advice: “Interrogate everything yourself.”38:00 Wrap + where to find past episodes39:00 Sponsor close: Typeface—see how ASICS & Microsoft scale personalization**About our sponsor, Typeface** @typefaceai is the first multimodal, agentic AI marketing platform that automates workflows from brief to launch, integrates with your MarTech stack, and delivers enterprise-grade security—named AI Company of the Year by Adweek and a TIME Best Invention. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo. **Tags**B2B marketing, enterprise marketing, customer experience, AI marketing, agentic AI, marketing ROI, sales enablement, Code and Theory, Michael Treff, Mike Linton, CMO strategy, marketing budget, personalization, Martech, TypefaceSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Pam Boiros, Fractional CMO and Marketing advisor, and Co-Founder Women Applying AI.(00:00) - Intro (01:13) - In This Episode (03:49) - How To Audit Data Fingerprints For AI Bias In Marketing (07:39) - Why Emotional Intelligence Improves AI Prompting Quality (10:14) - Why So Many Women Hesitate (15:40) - Why Collaborative AI Practice Builds Confidence In Marketing Ops Teams (18:31) - How to Go From AI Curious to AI Confident (24:32) - Joining The 'Women Applying AI' Community (27:18) - Other Ways to Support Women in AI (28:06) - Role Models and Visibility (32:55) - Leadership's Role in Inclusion (35:57) - Mentorship for the AI Era (38:15) - Why Story Driven Communities Strengthen AI Adoption for Women (42:17) - AI's Role in Women's Worklife Harmony (45:22) - Why Personal History Strengthens Creative Leadership Summary: Pam delivers a clear, grounded look at how women learn and lead with AI, moving from biased datasets to late-night practice sessions inside Women Applying AI. She brings sharp examples from real teams, highlights the quiet builders shaping change, and roots her perspective in the resilience she learned from the women in her own family. If you want a straightforward view of what practical, human-centered AI adoption actually looks like, this episode is worth your time.About PamPam Boiros is a consultant who helps marketing teams find direction and build plans that feel doable. She leads Marketing AI Jump Start and works as a fractional CMO for clients like Reclaim Health, giving teams practical ways to bring AI into their day-to-day work. She's also a founding member of Women Applying AI, a new community that launched in Sep 2025 that creates a supportive space for women to learn AI together and grow their confidence in the field.Earlier in her career, Pam spent 12 years at a fast-growing startup that Skillsoft later acquired, then stepped into senior marketing and product leadership there for another three and a half years. That blend of startup pace and enterprise structure shapes how she guides her clients today.How To Audit Data Fingerprints For AI Bias In MarketingAI bias spreads quietly in marketing systems, and Pam treats it as a pattern problem rather than a mistake problem. She explains that models repeat whatever they have inherited from the data, and that repetition creates signals that look normal on the surface. Many teams read those signals as truth because the outputs feel familiar. Pam has watched marketing groups make confident decisions on top of datasets they never examined, and she believes this is how invisible bias gains momentum long before anyone sees the consequences.Pam describes every dataset as carrying a fingerprint. She studies that fingerprint by zooming into the structure, the gaps, and the repetition. She looks for missing groups, inflated representation, and subtle distortions baked into the source. She builds this into her workflow because she has seen how quickly a model amplifies the same dominant voices that shaped the data. She brings up real scenarios from her own career where women were labeled as edge cases in models even though they represented half the customer base. These patterns shape everything from product recommendations to retention scores, and she believes many teams never notice because the numbers look clean and objective."Every dataset has a fingerprint. You cannot see it at first glance, but it becomes obvious once you look for who is overrepresented, who is underrepresented, or who is misrepresented."Pam organizes her process into three cycles that marketers can use immediately.The habit works because it forces scrutiny at every stage, not just at kickoff.Before building, trace the data source, the people represented, and the people missing.While building, stress test the system across groups that usually sit at the margins.After launch, monitor outputs with the same rhythm you use for performance analysis.She treats these cycles as an operational discipline. She compares the scale of bias to a compounding effect, since one flawed assumption can multiply into hundreds of outputs within hours. She has seen pressure to ship faster push teams into trusting defaults, which creates the illusion of objectivity even when the system leans heavily toward one group's behavior. She wants marketers to recognize that AI audits function like quality control, and she encourages them to build review rituals that continue as the model learns. She believes this daily maintenance protects teams from subtle drift where the model gradually leans toward the patterns it already prefers.Pam views long term monitoring as the part that matters most. She knows how fast AI systems evolve once real customers interact with them. Bias shifts as new data enters the mix. Entire segments disappear because the model interprets their silence as disengagement. Other segments dominate because they participate more often, which reinforces the skew. Pam advocates for ongoing alerts, periodic evaluations, and cross-functional reviews that bring different perspectives into the monitoring loop. She believes that consistent visibility keeps the model grounded in the full customer base.Key takeaway: You can reduce AI bias by treating audits as part of your standard workflow. Trace the origin of every dataset so you understand who shapes the patterns. Stress test during development so you catch distortions early. Monitor outcomes after launch so you can identify drift before it influences targeting, scoring, and personalization. This rhythm gives you a reliable way to detect biased fingerprints, keep systems accountable, and protect real customers from skewed automation.Why Emotional Intelligence Improves AI Prompting QualityEmotional intelligence shapes how people brief AI, and Pam focuses on the practical details behind that pattern. She sees prompting as a form of direction setting, similar to guiding a creative partner who follows every instruction literally. Women often add richer context because they instinctively think through tone, audience, and subtle cues before giving direction. That depth produces output that carries more human texture and brand alignment, and it reduces the amount of rewriting teams usually do when prompts feel thin.Pam also talks about synthetic empathy and how easily teams misread it. AI can generate warm language, but users often sense a hollow quality once they reread the output. She has seen teams trust the first fluent result because it looks polished on the surface. People with stronger emotional intelligence detect when the writing lacks genuine feeling or when it leans on clichés instead of real understanding. Pam notices this most in content meant for sensitive moments, such as apology emails or customer care messages, where the emotional miss becomes obvious."Prompting is basically briefing the AI, and women are natural context givers. We think about tone and audience and nuance, and that is what makes AI output more human and more aligned with the brand."Pam brings even sharper clarity when she moves into analytics. She observes that many marketers chase the top performer without questioning who drove the behavior. She describes moments where curiosity leads someone to discover that a small, highly engaged audience segment pulled the numbers upward. She sees women interrogating patterns by asking:Who showed upWhy they behaved the way they didWhat made the pattern appear more universal than it isThose questions shift analytics from scoreboar...

Combining five creator brands into one unified platform creates customer confusion and fragmented marketing spend. Danielle Pederson, CMO of Amaze, led the consolidation of five distinct creator commerce solutions under one corporate umbrella without losing individual brand equity. She implemented a phased taxonomy approach using "by Amaze" modifiers, unified three separate CRMs into HubSpot, and created a scalable framework that allows new acquisitions to integrate immediately into the brand architecture.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jennifer is the Director of DTC, Martech, and Digital Compliance at OLLY, a Unilever-owned vitamin/supplement brand, and a seasoned eCommerce veteran based in the Bay Area. She specializes in building digital marketing programs, profitable eCommerce stores, and seamless customer experiences. Her expertise includes advanced Martech ecosystems, customer data platforms (CDPs), marketing automation, and ensuring compliance with global privacy regulations like GDPR and CCPA. Jennifer's skills span web development, UX/UI design, inventory management, logistics, and omni-channel retailing. In This Conversation We Discuss:[00:00] Intro[00:39] Sponsor: Taboola[01:58] Solving customer needs with simplicity[04:05] Sponsor: Next Insurance[05:19] Leveraging cross-brand learnings for growth[08:37] Using D2C as a customer learning engine[12:00] Callouts[12:11] Evaluating tools that streamline operations[13:37] Reviving traditional marketing with modern tech[16:52] Sponsor: Electric Eye & Freight Fright[20:01] Testing unconventional marketing strategies[21:19] Balancing responsibility with limited control[24:58] Focusing on product value over flashy designResources:Subscribe to Honest Ecommerce on YoutubeOlly Vitamins and Supplements olly.com/Follow Jennifer Peters linkedin.com/in/jennifer-peters-3bbb6220Reach your best audience at the lowest cost! discover.taboola.com/honest/Easy, affordable coverage that grows with your business nextinsurance.com/honest/Schedule an intro call with one of our experts electriceye.io/connectTurn your domestic business into an international business freightright.com/honestIf you're enjoying the show, we'd love it if you left Honest Ecommerce a review on Apple Podcasts. It makes a huge impact on the success of the podcast, and we love reading every one of your reviews!

Combining five creator brands into one unified platform creates customer confusion and fragmented marketing spend. Danielle Pederson, CMO of Amaze, led the consolidation of five distinct creator commerce solutions under one corporate umbrella without losing individual brand equity. She implemented a phased taxonomy approach using "by Amaze" modifiers, unified three separate CRMs into HubSpot, and created a scalable framework that allows new acquisitions to integrate immediately into the brand architecture.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!In this episode of OpsCast, hosted by Michael Hartmann and powered by MarketingOps.com, we are joined by Spencer Tahil, Founder and Chief Growth Officer at Growth Alliance. Spencer helps organizations design AI and automation workflows that enhance go-to-market efficiency, streamline revenue operations, and strengthen marketing performance.The discussion focuses on how to move from experimentation to execution with AI. Spencer shares his systems-driven approach to identifying automation opportunities, prioritizing high-impact workflows, and building sustainable frameworks that improve strategic thinking rather than replace it.In this episode, you will learn:How to identify and prioritize tasks for automation using a value versus frequency modelThe biggest mistakes teams make when integrating AI into their workflowsHow AI can strengthen strategic decision-making instead of replacing peoplePractical prompting frameworks for achieving accurate and useful resultsThis episode is ideal for marketing operations, RevOps, and growth professionals who want to turn AI experimentation into measurable, scalable execution.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Ops Cast is brought to you in partnership with Emmie Co, an incredible group of consultants leading the top brands in all things Marketing Operations. Check the mount at Emmieco.comSupport the show

In the fast-growing world of Software-as-a-Service (SaaS), competition for attention is fierce. Companies are constantly looking for ways to clearly explain their complex products, highlight value propositions, and build trust with users. Video marketing has become one of the most effective tools for SaaS brands to educate, convert, and retain customers. High-quality product demos, explainer...

Jeff Greenfield is a three-time entrepreneur, advisor, and innovator with 30 years of experience driving growth at the intersection of marketing, measurement, and strategy. Today, he's leading Provalytics, a privacy-centric, AI-driven attribution platform designed to solve marketing's most pressing challenge: there is no single source of truth.For CFOs and finance leaders, this isn't just a marketing problem—it's a business problem.  Without reliable attribution, companies struggle with budget allocation, wasted media spend, and proving ROI. Jeff bridges the gap between marketing data and financial clarity.CONTACT DETAILSEmail: jeff.greenfield@provalytics.com Company: ProvalyticsWebsite: https://provalytics.com Social Media:LinkedIN - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffgreenfield/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/provalytics/ Remember to SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss "Information That You Can Use." Share Just Minding My Business with your family, friends, and colleagues. Engage with us by leaving a review or comment on my Google Business Page. https://g.page/r/CVKSq-IsFaY9EBM/review Your support keeps this podcast going and growing.Visit Just Minding My Business Media™ LLC at https://jmmbmediallc.com/ to learn how we can help you get more visibility on your products and services. 

Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!In this episode of OpsCast, hosted by Michael Hartmann and powered by MarketingOps.com, we are joined by Aby Varma, global business and marketing leader and Founder of Spark Novus. Aby helps organizations adopt AI strategically and responsibly, guiding leaders from early adoption to self-reliant innovation.The discussion explores how marketing teams can move beyond experimenting with AI tools to building long-term, value-based strategies that drive measurable impact. Aby shares real-world examples of AI implementation, frameworks for defining a “strategic north star,” and advice for leading change across every level of the organization.In this episode, you will learn:How to apply a value-based approach to AI adoptionWhy productivity is only the beginning of AI's potential in marketingHow to build responsible-use guardrails that support faster innovationThe evolving role of Marketing Ops in AI strategy and executionThis episode is ideal for marketing, operations, and business leaders who want to use AI with purpose, balance innovation with responsibility, and prepare their teams for the next phase of intelligent marketing.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Ops Cast is brought to you in partnership with Emmie Co, an incredible group of consultants leading the top brands in all things Marketing Operations. Check the mount at Emmieco.comSupport the show

Content strategy success hinges on three measurable outcomes. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series and former Executive Producer of B2B Growth podcast, breaks down the metrics that matter for B2B brands. He outlines a framework measuring click-through rates on thumbnails and titles, average view duration for consumption quality, and downstream engagement including comments, website visits, and real-world conversations that drive business results.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Content strategy success hinges on three measurable outcomes. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series and former Executive Producer of B2B Growth podcast, breaks down the metrics that matter for B2B brands. He outlines a framework measuring click-through rates on thumbnails and titles, average view duration for consumption quality, and downstream engagement including comments, website visits, and real-world conversations that drive business results.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

B2B companies struggle to create content that actually drives business results. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series, has launched 50+ podcasts and generated millions of views helping brands build content strategies that work. He breaks down the three critical metrics that prove content effectiveness: meaningful comment engagement, high average view duration, and optimized click-through rates through A/B tested thumbnails. The discussion covers how to measure downstream business impact and create content that compiles engagement over time.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

B2B companies struggle to create content that actually drives business results. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series, has launched 50+ podcasts and generated millions of views helping brands build content strategies that work. He breaks down the three critical metrics that prove content effectiveness: meaningful comment engagement, high average view duration, and optimized click-through rates through A/B tested thumbnails. The discussion covers how to measure downstream business impact and create content that compiles engagement over time.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Album 7 Track 22 - Crafting Content for the World w/Shaheen Samavati In this episode of Brands, Beats & Bytes, we sit down with Shaheen Samavati, a journalist-turned-entrepreneur, to explore the fearless choices and lessons that shaped her career. From navigating early missteps in translation projects to launching her own company, Shaheen shares how saying “yes” before knowing the outcome, owning your mistakes, and staying true to your voice can create powerful opportunities. Tune in for a candid conversation about storytelling, mentorship, and building a brand with courage and clarity.Key Takeaways: Pull People In with StorytellingCreate the World Before the StoryMentorship MattersOwn Your MistakesFearlessness and Taking the LeapStay Up-To-Date on All Things Brands, Beats, & Bytes on SocialInstagram | Twitter

B2B executives struggle to deliver quotable content in their first recording sessions. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series, shares proven techniques from launching 50+ podcasts and coaching 80+ leaders to become standout hosts. He recommends multiple takes to overcome initial nerves, identifying the strongest statement from the first attempt, then having executives lead with that hook in subsequent recordings. Block emphasizes that even expert communicators need encouragement and practice to deliver their best performance on camera.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

B2B executives struggle to deliver quotable content in their first recording sessions. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series, shares proven techniques from launching 50+ podcasts and coaching 80+ leaders to become standout hosts. He recommends multiple takes to overcome initial nerves, identifying the strongest statement from the first attempt, then having executives lead with that hook in subsequent recordings. Block emphasizes that even expert communicators need encouragement and practice to deliver their best performance on camera.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

B2B content creators struggle to measure real impact beyond vanity metrics. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series and former host of B2B Growth podcast, shares his framework for evaluating content performance. He recommends tracking meaningful comments that spark conversations, monitoring average view duration to gauge content quality, and optimizing click-through rates through systematic thumbnail testing. The discussion covers how engagement metrics connect to business outcomes and the importance of measuring downstream effects like website visits and real-world conversations.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

B2B content creators struggle to measure real impact beyond vanity metrics. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series and former host of B2B Growth podcast, shares his framework for evaluating content performance. He recommends tracking meaningful comments that spark conversations, monitoring average view duration to gauge content quality, and optimizing click-through rates through systematic thumbnail testing. The discussion covers how engagement metrics connect to business outcomes and the importance of measuring downstream effects like website visits and real-world conversations.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

B2B content creators struggle to measure real impact beyond vanity metrics. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series, shares his framework for building content that drives business results. He reveals his 11-question assessment for evaluating content effectiveness, explains how to optimize YouTube thumbnails through A/B testing, and outlines three core metrics that prove content strategy success: meaningful engagement through comments, high average view duration, and improved click-through rates.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

B2B content creators struggle to measure real impact beyond vanity metrics. Benji Block, founder of Signature Series, shares his framework for building content that drives business results. He reveals his 11-question assessment for evaluating content effectiveness, explains how to optimize YouTube thumbnails through A/B testing, and outlines three core metrics that prove content strategy success: meaningful engagement through comments, high average view duration, and improved click-through rates.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Time spent on converting new clients is one of the biggest pain points for any business. We've all experienced it: you research the opportunity, calculate a budget, put together a proposal - only to discover weeks later, it was a waste of time. Wouldn't it be great to know before you even started the conversation...

Remote teams continue to struggle with delays caused by outdated, paper-based signature workflows. Printing, scanning, and mailing add unnecessary friction, especially when teams operate across time zones. When organizations move at a digital pace, slow approvals can derail momentum and create serious operational risk. Teams need a faster, safer way to move documents through the...

As promised last week, today's episode provides greater context on US ePrivacy audits, CIPA/VPPA claims, and EU-US comparative law as it affects the rollout or maintenance of MarTech solutions on websites and mobile applications.References:* “The slippery slope of consent banners in preventing CIPA and VPPA claims: why effective Opt-Outs will prevail - also in the EU” (Sergio Maldonado, November 2025 - you are listening to Part I of the more comprehensive analysis)* Jennifer Oliver: privacy litigation over pixels, trackers, and cookies (Masters of Privacy, August 2025)* From wiretapping and video rentals to website pixels, SDKs, and APIs. CIPA/VPPA litigation, risk management, and practical strategies (Nov 2025 update)* Toolbox: Fast CIPA/VPPA website auditing and case law matching for legal professionals (Alpha release). This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.mastersofprivacy.com/subscribe

Marketers rely too heavily on first-party data for AI strategy. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for brands like Meta and Red Bull. His team built a video analyzer that maps frame-by-frame content against performance data to identify what keeps viewers engaged. The discussion covers automated networking agents and the critical importance of visual hooks in the first seconds of video content.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Marketers rely too heavily on first-party data for AI strategy. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for brands like Meta and Red Bull. His team built a video analyzer that maps frame-by-frame content against performance data to identify what keeps viewers engaged. The discussion covers automated networking agents and the critical importance of visual hooks in the first seconds of video content.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Marketers struggle with AI reliability and accuracy. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for brands like Meta and Red Bull. He discusses building AI agents that automatically identify networking opportunities based on calendar events, creating video analysis tools that map viewer engagement to specific visual elements, and developing workflows that combine internal performance data with external market signals to reveal competitive blind spots marketers miss when relying solely on first-party dashboards.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Marketers struggle with AI reliability and accuracy. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for brands like Meta and Red Bull. He discusses building AI agents that automatically identify networking opportunities based on calendar events, creating video analysis tools that map viewer engagement to specific visual elements, and developing workflows that combine internal performance data with external market signals to reveal competitive blind spots marketers miss when relying solely on first-party dashboards.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

REMIX: Album 7 Track 14 - Authenticity Over Algorithm w/Jeff CrowBrand Nerds, Brand Nerds, Brand Nerds — we are back from our summer hiatus and we missed ya'll! Today's guest is considered both friend and family - so you know it's a good one. Former Coca-Cola alum, Jeff Crow joins us today to share what he's learned throughout his career with details from his time working with the legendary Kobe Bryant, alongside our own DC, to his current role at TapMango. A strong episode to come back from our summer break - enjoy! Here are a few key takeaways from the episode:Being Consumer FocusedLearning ConfidenceSurround Yourself with Good PeopleAlways Prioritize Your Family & Loved OnesBeing a Five Tool Business PersonGrowth-Based Decision MakingP&L ManagementBrand FirstManaging in Every DirectionData-Informed Decision MakingStay Up-To-Date on All Things Brands, Beats, & Bytes on SocialInstagram | Twitter

Marketers struggle to build effective AI automation stacks that actually drive results. Charlie Grinnell, Co-CEO of RightMetric, explains how external data transforms AI accuracy and marketing strategy. The conversation covers building custom agents for networking automation, developing video analysis tools that map viewer engagement frame-by-frame, and creating visual hooks that compete with brands like MrBeast and Red Bull.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Marcus Aurelius Anderson sits down with Sam Morris, co-founder and CEO of E9 Global and founder of Zen Warrior Training. They discuss resilience, authentic leadership, adaptability in the modern world, and the intersection of technology, philosophy, and personal growth. Key Highlights: [1:14] Sam Morris’s journey from adventure leader to paraplegic and the founding of Zen Warrior Training. [16:35] The importance of adaptability and letting go of static identity in leadership and life. [1:08:00] Sam explains E9 Global’s anti-counterfeit technology and the value of data sovereignty. [1:17:00] Lessons in team building, self-awareness, and the role of humility in leadership. Sam Morris is the co-founder and CEO of E9 Global, a MarTech company focused on data sovereignty and brand protection. After a life-changing accident left him paralyzed, Sam founded Zen Warrior Training, inspiring thousands to transcend limitations through resilience and authentic leadership. He is a sought-after speaker and coach, known for his unique perspective on adaptability, mindfulness, and organizational leadership. Learn more about the gift of Adversity and my mission to help my fellow humans create a better world by heading to www.marcusaureliusanderson.com. There you can take action by joining my ANV inner circle to get exclusive content and information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Marketers struggle to build effective AI automation stacks that actually drive results. Charlie Grinnell, Co-CEO of RightMetric, explains how external data transforms AI accuracy and marketing strategy. The conversation covers building custom agents for networking automation, developing video analysis tools that map viewer engagement frame-by-frame, and creating visual hooks that compete with brands like MrBeast and Red Bull.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss essential sales frameworks and why they often fail today. You will understand why traditional sales methods like Challenger and SPIN selling struggle with modern complex purchases. You will learn how to shift your sales focus from rigid, linear frameworks to the actual non-linear journey of the customer. You will discover how to use ideal customer profiles and strong documentation to build crucial trust and qualify better prospects. You will explore methods for leveraging artificial intelligence to objectively evaluate sales opportunities and improve your go/no-go decisions. Watch this episode to revolutionize your approach to high-stakes complex sales. Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-sales-frameworks-basics-and-ai.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. **Christopher S. Penn – 00:00** In this week’s In Ear Insights. Even though AI is everywhere and is threatening to eat everything and stuff like that, the reality is that people still largely buy from people. And there are certainly things that AI does that can make that process faster and easier. But today I thought it might be good to review some of the basic selling frameworks, particularly for companies like ours, but in general, to help with complex sales. One of the things that—and Katie, I’d like your take on this—one of the things that people do most wrong in sales at the very outset is they segment out B2B versus B2C when they really should be segmenting out: simple sale versus complex sales. Simple sales, a pack of gum, there are techniques for increasing number of sales, but it’s a transaction. **Christopher S. Penn – 00:48** You walk into the store, you put down your money, you walk out with your pack of gum as opposed to a complex sale. Things like B2B SaaS software, some versions of it, or consulting services, or buying a house or a college education where there’s a lot of stakeholders, a lot of negotiation, and things like that. So when you think about selling, particularly as the CEO of Trust Insights who wants to sell more stuff, what do you think about advising people on how to sell better? **Katie Robbert – 01:19** Well, I should probably start with the disclaimer that I am not a trained salesperson. I happen to be very good with people and reading the situation and helping understand the pain points and needs pretty quickly. So that’s what I’ve always personally relied on in terms of how to sell things. And that’s not something that I can easily teach. So to your point, there needs to be some kind of a framework. I disagree with your opening statement that the biggest problem people have with selling or the biggest mistake that people make is the segmentation. I agree with simple versus complex, but I do think that there is something to be said about B2B versus B2C. You really have to start somewhere. **Katie Robbert – 02:08** And I think perhaps maybe if I back up even more, the advice that I would give is: Do you really know who you’re selling to? We’re all eager to close more business and make sure that the revenue numbers are going up and not down and that the pipeline is full. The way to do that—and again, I’m not a trained salesperson, so this is my approach—is I first want to make sure I’m super clear on our ideal customer profile, what their pain points are, and that we’re super clear on our own messaging so that we know that the services that we offer are matching the pain points of the customers that we want to have in our pipeline. When we started Trust Insights, we didn’t have that. **Katie Robbert – 02:59** We had a good sense of what we could do, what we were capable of, but at the same time were winging it. I think that over the past eight or so years we’ve learned a lot around how to focus and refine. It’s a crowded marketplace for anyone these days. Anyone who says they don’t really have competitors isn’t really looking that hard enough. But the competitors aren’t traditional competitors anymore. Competitors are time, competitors are resources, competitors are budget. Those are the reasons why you’re going to lose business. So if you have a sales team that’s trying to bring in more business, you need to make sure that you’re super hyper focused. So the long-winded way of saying the first place I would start is: Are you very specifically clear on who your ideal customer is? **Katie Robbert – 03:53** And are there different versions of that? Do they buy different things based on the different services that you offer? So as a non-salesperson who is forced to do sales, that’s where I. **Christopher S. Penn – 04:04** would start. That’s a good place to start. One of the things, and there’s a whole industry for this of selling, is all these different selling frameworks. You will hear some of them: SPIN selling, Solution Selling, Insight Selling, Challenger, Sandler, Hopkins, etc. It’s probably not a bad age to at least review them in aggregate because they’re all very similar. What differentiates them are specific tactics or specific types of emphasis. But they all follow the same Kennedy sales principles from the 1960s, which is: identify the problem, agitate the customer in some way so that they realize that the problem is a bigger problem than they thought, provide a solution of some point, a way, and then tell them, “Here’s how we solve this problem. Buy our stuff.” That’s the basic outline. **Christopher S. Penn – 05:05** Each of the systems has its own thin slice on how we do that better. So let’s do a very quick tour, and I’m going to be showing some stuff. If you’re listening to this, you can of course catch us on the Trust Insights YouTube channel. Go to Trust Insights.AI/YouTube. The first one is Solution Selling. This is from the 1990s. This is a very popular system. Again, look for people who actually have a problem you can fix. Two is get to know the audience. Three is the discovery process where you spend a lot of time consulting and asking the person what their challenges are. **Christopher S. Penn – 05:48** Figure out how you can add value to that, find an internal champion that can help get you inside the organization, and then build the closing win. So that’s Solution Selling. This one has been in use for almost 40 years in places, and for complex sales, it is highly effective. **Katie Robbert – 06:10** Okay. What’s interesting, though, is to your point, all the frameworks are roughly the same: give people what they need, bottom line. If you want to break it down into 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 different steps because that’s easier for people to wrap their brains around, that’s totally fine. But really, it comes down to: What problems do they have? Can you solve the problem? Help them solve the problem, period. I feel, and I know we’re going to go through the other frameworks, so I’ll save my rant for afterwards. **Christopher S. Penn – 06:47** SPIN Selling, again, is very similar to the Kennedy system: Understand the situation, reveal the pain points, create urgency for change, and then lead the buyers to conclude on their own. This one spends less time on identifying the customers themselves. It assumes that your prospecting and your lead flow engine is separate and working. It is much more focused on the sales process itself. If you think about selling, you have business development representatives or sales development representatives (SDRs) up front who are smiling and dialing, calling for appointments and things like that, trying to fill a pipeline up front. Then you have account executives and actual sales folks who would be taking those warmed-up leads and working them. SPIN Selling very much focuses on the latter half of that particular process. The next one is Insight Selling. Insight Selling is a. **Christopher S. Penn – 07:44** It is differentiated by the fact that it tries to make the sales process much more granular: coaching the customer, communicating value, collaborating, accelerating commitment, implementing by cultivating the relationship, and changing the insight. The big thing about Insight Selling is that instead of very long-winded conversations and lots of meetings and calls, the Insight Selling process tries to focus on how you can take the sales process and turn it into bite-sized chunks for today’s short attention span audience. So you set up sales automation systems like Salesforce or marketing automation, but very much targeted towards the sales process to target each of these areas to say, what unusual insight can I offer a customer in this email or this text message, whatever essentially keeps them engaged. **Christopher S. Penn – 08:40** So it’s very much a sales engagement system, which I think. **Katie Robbert – 08:45** Makes sense because on a previous episode we were talking about client services, and if your account managers or whoever’s responsible for that relationship is saying only “just following up” and not giving any more context, I would ignore that. Following up on what? You have to remind me because now you’ve given me more work to do. I like this version of Insight Selling where it’s, “Hey, I know we haven’t chatted in a while, here’s something new, here’s something interesting that’s pertaining to you specifically.” It’s more work on the sales side, which quite honestly, it should be. Exactly. **Christopher S. Penn – 09:25** Insight Selling benefits most from a shop that is data-driven because you have to generate new insights, you have to provide things that are surprising, different takes on things, and non-obvious knowledge. To do that, you need to be plugged into what’s going on in your industry. If you don’t do that, then obviously your insights will land with a thud because your prospects will be, “Yeah, I already knew that. Tell me something I don’t know.” The Sandler Selling System is again very straightforward: Bonding, rapport, upfront contracts, which is the unique thing. They are saying be very structured in your sales process to try to avoid wasting people’s time. So every meeting should have a clear agenda that you’re going to cover in advance. Every meeting should have a purpose: uncovering pain points, finding budget. **Christopher S. Penn – 10:19** Budget is a distinctly separate step to say, “Can you even pay for our services?” If you can’t pay for our services, there’s no point in us going on to have this conversation. Then decision making, fulfillment, and post-sale. The last one, which probably is the most well known today, is the Challenger Sales Methodology. Challenger is what everybody promotes when you go to a sales event. It has been around for about 10 years now, and it is optimized for the complex sale. The six steps of Challenger are: warming, which is again rapport building; reframing the customer’s problem in a way that they didn’t know. **Christopher S. Penn – 11:05** So they borrowed from Insight Selling to say, “How can we use data and research to alter the way that somebody thinks about their problems into something that is more urgent?” Then you take them into rational drowning: Here’s what happens if you don’t do the thing, which addresses the number one competitor that most of us have, which is no decision, emotional impact. What happens if you don’t do the thing? Here’s a new way of doing the thing, and then of course, our way, and you try to close the sale. Challenger is probably again the one that you see the most these days. It incorporates chunks of the other systems, but all the different systems are appropriate based on your team. **Christopher S. Penn – 11:51** And that’s the part that a lot of people I think miss about sales methodologies: there isn’t a guaranteed working system. There are different systems that you choose from based on your team’s capabilities, who your customers are, and what works best for that combination of people. **Katie Robbert – 12:14** I’m going to say something completely out of character. I think frameworks are too rigid. That’s not something that you would normally catch me saying because generally I say I have a framework for that. But when it comes to sales, the thing that strikes me with all of these frameworks is it’s too focused on the salesperson and not focused enough on the customer that they’re selling to. You could argue that maybe the Insight Selling framework is focused a little bit more on the customer. But really, the end goal is to make money off of someone who may or may not need to be buying your stuff. Sales has always given me the ick. I get that it’s a necessary evil, but then—I don’t know—the. **Katie Robbert – 13:11** The thought of going in with a framework, and this is exactly how you’re going to do it. I can understand the value in doing that because you want people doing things in a fairly consistent way. But you’re selling to humans. I feel like that’s where it gets a little bit tricky. I feel like in order for me—and again, I’m an N of 1, I recognize this all the time, this is my own personal feelings on things—in order to feel comfortable with selling, I feel like there really needs to be trust. There needs to be a relationship that’s established. But it also comes down to what are you selling? Is it transactional? If I’m selling you a pack of gum, I don’t need to build trust and relationship. You have a clear need. **Katie Robbert – 13:55** You have stinky breath, you want to get some gum, you want to chew on it, that’s fine, go buy it. You and I don’t need to have a long interaction. But when you’re talking about the type of work that we do—customer service, consulting, marketing—there needs to be that level of trust and there needs to be that relationship. A lot of times it starts even before you get into these goofy sales frameworks, where someone saw one of us speaking on stage and they saw that we have authority. They see that we can speak articulately, maybe not right that second in an articulate way. They see that we are competent, and they’re like, “Huh, okay, that’s somebody that I could see myself working with, partnering with.” **Katie Robbert – 14:43** That kind of information isn’t covered in any of those frameworks: the trust building, the relationship building. It might be a little nugget at the beginning of your sales framework, but then the other 90% of the framework is about you, the salesperson, what you’re going to get out of your potential customer. I feel like that is especially true now where there’s so much spammy stuff and AI stuff. We’re getting inundated with email after email of, “Did you see my last email? I know you’re not even signed up for my thing, but I’m still trying to sell you something.” We’re so overwhelmed as consumers. Where is that human touch? It’s gone. It’s missing. **Christopher S. Penn – 15:29** So you’re 100% correct. The sales frameworks are targeted towards getting a salesperson to do things in a standardized manner and to cover all the bases. One of the things that has been a perpetual problem in sales management is, “What is this person not doing that should be moving the deal forward?” So for example, with Challenger, if a salesperson’s really good at emotional impact—they have good levels of empathy—they can say, “Yeah, this challenge is really important to your business,” but they’re bad at the reframe. They won’t get the prospect to that stage where their skills are best used. So I think you’re right that it’s too rigid and too self-centered in some respects. **Christopher S. Penn – 16:17** But in other respects, if you’re trying to get a person to do the thing, having the framework to say, “Yeah, you need to work on your reframing skills. Your reframing skills are lackluster. You’re not getting the prospects past this point because you’re not telling them anything they don’t already know.” When you don’t have a differentiator, then they fall back on, “Who’s the lowest price?” That doesn’t end well, particularly for complex sales. What is missing, which you identified exactly correctly, is there is no buyer-side sales framework. What is happening with the buyer? You see this in things like our ideal customer profiles. We have needs, pain points, goals, motivations in the buying process as part of that, to say what is happening. **Christopher S. Penn – 17:03** So if you were to take Challenger—and we’ve actually done this and I need to publish it at some point—what would the buyer’s perspective of Challenger be? If the salesperson said, “Build rapport,” the buyer side is, “Why should I trust this person?” If the seller side is “reframe,” the buyer side is, “Do I understand the problems I have? And does the salesperson understand the problems that I have? I don’t care about new insights. Solve my problem.” If the seller side is rational drowning, the buyer side is, “What is working? What isn’t working?” Emotional impact is where they do align, because if you have a whole bunch of stuff that’s not working, it has emotional impact. “New way” from the seller side becomes, for the buyer side, “Why is this better?” **Christopher S. Penn – 17:59** Why is this better than what we’re already doing? And then our solution versus the existing solution, which is typically, again, our number one sales competitor is no decision. One of the things that does not exist or should exist is using—and this is where AI could be really helpful—an ideal customer profile combined with a buyer-side buying framework to say, “Hey salesperson, you may be using this framework for your selling, but you’re not meeting the buyer where they are.” **Katie Robbert – 18:35** I also wonder, too. We often talk about how the customer journey is broken in a way because there’s an assumption that it’s linear, that it goes from step one to step two to step three to step four. I look at something like the Challenger framework and my first thought is, “Well, that’s assuming that things go in a linear and then this and then this fashion.” What we know from a customer journey, which to your point we need to marry to the selling journey, is it’s not always linear. It doesn’t always go step one to step two to step three. I may be ready for a solution, and my salesperson who’s trying to sell me something is, “Wait a second, we need to go through the first four steps first because that’s how the framework works.” **Katie Robbert – 19:24** And then we’ll get to your solution. I’m already going to get frustrated because I’m thinking, “No, I already know what the thing is. I don’t want to go through this emotional journey with you. I don’t even know you. Just sell me something.” I feel like that’s also where, in this context, frameworks are too rigid. Again, I’m all for a framework in terms of getting people to do things in a consistent way so you build that muscle memory. They know the points they’re supposed to hit. Then you need to give them the leeway to do things out of order because humans don’t do things in a linear way every single time as well. **Katie Robbert – 20:03** I think that’s what I was trying to get at: it’s not that I don’t think a framework is good for sales. I think frameworks are great, I love them. But every framework has to have just enough flexibility to work with the situation. Because very rarely, if ever, is a situation set up perfectly so that you can execute a framework exactly the way that it’s meant to be run. That’s one of the challenges I see with the sales framework: there’s an assumption that the buyer is going through all of these steps exactly as it’s outlined. And when you train someone on a framework to only follow those steps exactly in that order, that’s when, to your point, they start to fall down on certain pieces because they’re not adaptable. They can’t. **Katie Robbert – 20:52** Well, no, we’ve already done the self-awareness part of it. I can’t go backwards and do that again. We did that already. I’m ready to sell you something. I feel like that’s where the frustration starts 100%. **Christopher S. Penn – 21:04** So in that particular scenario, what we almost need to teach people is it’s the martial arts. There’s this expression: learn the basic, vary the basic, leave the basic behind. You learn how to do the thing so that you can actually do the thing, learn all the different variations, and eventually you transcend it. You don’t need that example anymore because you’ve learned it so thoroughly. You can pull out the pieces that you need at any given time, but to get to that black belt level of mastery, you need to go through all the other belts first. I think that’s where some of the frameworks can be useful. Whereas, to your point, if you rigidly lock people into that, then yeah, they’re going to use the wrong tool at the wrong time. **Christopher S. Penn – 21:49** The other thing—and this is something which is very challenging, but important—is if your sales team is properly trained and enabled, the incentive structure for a salesperson is to sell you something. There may be situations—we’ve run into plenty of them as principals of the company—where we’ve got nothing to sell you. There’s nothing that will fix your problem. Your problem is something that’s outside the scope of what we offer. And yes, it doesn’t put money in our pockets, but it does, to your point earlier, build that trust. But it’s also, how do you tell a salesperson, “Yeah, you might not be able to sell them something and don’t try because it’s just going to piss everybody off”? **Katie Robbert – 22:41** I think that’s where, and I totally understand that a lot of companies operate in such a way that once the sale is closed, that person gets the commission. Again, N of 1, this is the way that I would do it. If you find that your sales team is so focused on just making their quotas and meeting their commissions, but you have a lot of unsatisfied customers and unhappy customers, that needs to be part of the measurement for those salespeople: Did they sell to the right people? Is the person satisfied with the sale? Did they get something that they actually needed? Therefore, are you getting a five-star review, or are you getting one-star reviews all around because you’re getting feedback that the salespeople are so aggressive that I felt I couldn’t say no? **Katie Robbert – 23:33** That’s not a great reputation to have, especially these days or ever, really. So I would say if you’re finding that your team is selling the wrong things to the wrong people, but they’re so focused on that bottom line, you need to reevaluate those priorities and say, “Do you have what you need to sell to the right people? Do you know who the right people are?” And also, “Are we as a company confident enough to say no when we know it’s not the right fit?” Because that is a differentiator. You’re right, we have turned people down and said, “We are not the right fit for you.” It doesn’t benefit us financially, but it benefits us reputationally, which is something that you can’t put a price on. **Christopher S. Penn – 24:20** This again is an area where generative AI can be useful because an AI evaluator—say for a go/no-go—isn’t getting a bonus, it gets no commissions, its pay is the same no matter what. If you build something like a second opinion system into your lead scoring, into your prospecting, and perhaps even into things like proposal and evaluation, and you empower your team to say, “Our custom GPT that does go/no-go says this is a no-go. Let’s not pursue this because we’re not going to win it.” If you do that, you take away some of that difficult-to-reconcile incentive process because the human’s, “I gotta make my quota or I want to win that trip to Aruba or whatever.” **Christopher S. Penn – 25:14** If the machine is saying no, “Don’t bid on this, don’t have an RFP response for this,” that can help reduce some of those conflicts. **Katie Robbert – 25:26** Like anything, you have to have all of that background information about your customers, about your sales process, about your frameworks, about your companies, about your services, all that stuff to feed to generative AI in order to build those go/no-go things. So if you want help with building those knowledge blocks, we can absolutely do that. Go to Trust Insights.AI/contact. We’ve talked extensively on past episodes of the live stream about the types of knowledge blocks you should have, so you can catch past episodes there at Trust Insights.AI/YouTube. Go to the “So What” playlist. It all starts with knowledge blocks. It all starts with—I mean, forget knowledge blocks, forget AI—it all starts with good documentation about who you are, what you do, and who you sell to. **Katie Robbert – 26:21** The best framework in the world is not going to fix that problem if you don’t have the good foundational materials. Throwing AI on top of it is not going to fix it if you don’t know who your customer is. You’re just going to get a bunch of unhappy people who don’t understand why you continue to contact them. Yep. **Christopher S. Penn – 26:38** As with everything, AI amplifies what’s already there. So if you’re already doing a bad job, it’s going to help you do a worse job. It’ll do a worse job. **Katie Robbert – 26:45** Much new tech doesn’t solve old problems, man. **Christopher S. Penn – 26:49** Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts about sales frameworks and how selling is evolving at your company and you want to share your ideas, pop on by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights.AI/analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,500 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. Wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights.AI/CIPodcast. You can find us at all the places that podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you on the next one. **Katie Robbert – 27:21** Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and MarTech selection and implementation, and high-level strategic consulting. **Katie Robbert – 28:24** Encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, DALL·E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMO or data scientists to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the “So What” Livestream, webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights are adept at leveraging cutting-edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations: data storytelling. This commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources which empower marketers to become more data-driven. **Katie Robbert – 29:30** Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid-sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever-evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. 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Marketers struggle with AI reliability and accuracy. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for competitive marketing insights. The discussion covers treating AI as a "frenemy" that requires structured data inputs, building automation workflows through iterative testing, and validating AI outputs by asking it to explain its reasoning process.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Marketers struggle with AI reliability and accuracy. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for competitive marketing insights. The discussion covers treating AI as a "frenemy" that requires structured data inputs, building automation workflows through iterative testing, and validating AI outputs by asking it to explain its reasoning process.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Andy Sack and Adam Brotman, Co-Founders and Co-CEO's of Forum 3, authors of the book AI First, previously at Microsoft and Starbucks. Adam and Andy discuss the exponential growth of LLM's in the 3 years since the Chat GPT launch, the rapid pace of consumer adoption and "why there's never been a bigger prize in capitalism." Key topics include: why the circular tie-ups between the models and chip providers may make sense, their belief that only 5% of companies are well underway; why you should use AI at least 10 times a day; and how the "current way of doing business" is the biggest blocker to progress. Tune in to hear 2026 predictions, why you should have a "family password," and how an AI Zoom scam resulted in a $20 million loss for the company. AI: The Year That Changed Marketing | Andy Sack & Adam Brotman on CMO ConfidentialFormer Starbucks Chief Digital Officer Adam Brotman and investor/operator Andy Sack return to break down AI's wild 2025—and what's next for marketers and the C-suite in 2026. We cover the rise of reasoning models and agents, chip-and-model tie-ups, who's winning (and who's falling behind), why only ~5% of companies are truly “underway,” and how consumer behavior is racing ahead of most enterprises. Adam and Andy deliver pragmatic guidance for boards, CEOs, and CMOs: where to lean in, how to organize, and what to build now.What you'll learn:• The real story on model advances, agents, and the chip/energy bottlenecks• Why supply-lock deals aren't “circular nonsense” and how they'll shape winners/losers• Enterprise reality check: 5% vs. 95%, and why CEO/board sponsorship determines lift-off• Consumer adoption, zero-click search, and how discovery is shifting under your feet• Marketing beyond efficiency: ideation, synthetic testing, and creative at production speed• 2026 predictions: Apple's big AI move, the year of consumer agents, and new AI devices• Risk & resilience: deepfake fraud, the “family password,” and change management that sticksActionable takeaways:• Use AI 10×/day; turn on voice and select a “thinking/reasoning” model for complex work• Treat AI as a company-wide transformation, not an IT pilot; pick a few high-value use cases and own them from the top• Experiment with agentic workflows and AI video to compress cycle time from storyboard to launchSponsored by @typefaceai Typeface helps the world's biggest brands go from brief to fully personalized, on-brand campaigns in hours—not months. 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AI reliability challenges plague over half of marketers despite vendor promises of perfect insights. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for competitive advantage. The discussion covers treating AI as a "frenemy" that requires human oversight, building automation workflows through iterative prompt refinement, and combining internal analytics with external market signals for strategic context.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

AI reliability challenges plague over half of marketers despite vendor promises of perfect insights. Charlie Grinnell is Co-CEO of RightMetric, a strategic research firm specializing in external data intelligence for competitive advantage. The discussion covers treating AI as a "frenemy" that requires human oversight, building automation workflows through iterative prompt refinement, and combining internal analytics with external market signals for strategic context.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Marketing analytics stacks struggle with outdated, siloed data that delays critical business decisions. Noha Rizk, CMO of Incorta, explains how live data integration transforms enterprise analytics capabilities. She demonstrates how questioning "why" behind data patterns unlocks actionable insights and discusses eliminating complex ETL processes through real-time analysis across all business systems. The conversation covers practical frameworks for moving from raw data collection to immediate business intelligence that drives customer behavior understanding.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Legacy marketing metrics fail when they can't deliver real-time insights. Noha Rizk, CMO of Incorta, explains how live data transforms analytics from static reporting into actionable intelligence. She demonstrates how questioning "why" behind data patterns reveals customer behavior insights that traditional delayed metrics miss. The discussion covers moving from data collection to insight generation and using real-time analysis to make immediate business decisions.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Incorta is the first and only open data delivery platform that enables real-time analysis of live, detailed data across all systems of record—without the need for complex ETL processes.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Incorta is the first and only open data delivery platform that enables real-time analysis of live, detailed data across all systems of record—without the need for complex ETL processes.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.