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What can you learn after 11 years and 500 episodes of listening to world-class strength trainers, exercise scientists, and HIT Business experts? In this milestone episode, Discover Strength CEO Luke Carlson turns the tables on Lawrence Neal (me!) and we talk about the most high-impact things you can do as a fitness business owner, as a strength trainer, and as a family man trying to find a healthy work-life harmony (that word, specifically — you'll find out why soon!), among many other things I've learned in over a decade of hosting a podcast like this one. I'm grateful to Luke, to all of the guests who have graciously come on the podcast, and to all of you for listening — none of this would be possible without you deciding to make HIB a small part of your day every week, so thank you very much. Please enjoy this episode, and don't forget to check out some of the things we highlight in the Show Notes sections below. ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ⚡ Get More Clients For Your HIT Business — FREE ━━━━━━━━━━━━
Today, we're diving into the world of lead generation, pricing, and sales for personal trainers—specifically for those running appointment-based fitness businesses. If you're a trainer struggling to attract the right clients this episode is for you. Our guest is Lawrence Neal, founder of High Intensity Business and host of the High Intensity Business Podcast. Lawrence has helped hundreds of HIT .. that's HIT with one I - (High Intensity Training) business owners make more money through strategic marketing, pricing, and sales tactics. With over a decade of experience, including cofounding a successful personal training studio, Lawrence knows exactly what it takes to thrive in an appointment-based model. If you're ready to level up your personal training business, let's jump in! High Intensity Business: https://highintensitybusiness.com/
This episode is special for two reasons: one, it is Discover Strenghth's 18-year anniversary, and two, Luke is interviewed by a great friend and colleague, Lawrence Neal. Lawrence Neal is the 10-year host of the High Intensity Business podcast, which has over 460+ episodes. Discover Strength offers free Introductory Workouts at any location across the united states. You can schedule your free Introductory Workout HERE !
What can you learn from one of the top HIT trainers on the planet about personalizing, optimizing, and maximizing training programs and results for your clients? HIT Legend David Landau returns to the podcast for an explosive discussion that covers intelligent training, finding your minimum – and maximum – effective dose of exercise, the secrets to achieving optimal results, and more, all delivered with David's trademark I-don't-care-what-you-think-I'll-say-what-I-want approach to civil discourse. Whether you've been doing HIT for years or you're new to High-Intensity Training and you want to fine-tune your HIT workouts for maximum results, you'll want to sit down and buckle up for this one! ***
Lawrence Neal, owner of Optimastrength.com and Highintensitybusiness.com, talks about all aspects of resistance training
Hey! Lawrence Neal here, founder of High Intensity Business. Since there's a lot of buzz about this new chatbot by OpenAI called ChatGPT, I decided to dabble in it a bit and check out its potential. This episode is focused on how you can save thousands of hours using AI – specifically with ChatGPT – in your high intensity training business — I'll talk about the different business applications and how you can get results using this technology. Get turn key systems for your HIT business For all of the show notes, links, and resources - Click Here
Lawrence Neal here, founder of High Intensity Business and co-founder of Optima Strength. Get your FREE resources. In this episode, I share the benefits of networking for getting new clients for your strength training business — specifically, I talk about Business Network International (BNI), networking tips for getting better results, how to network efficiently, other marketing tactics with high ROI, and much more. Implement proven systems and grow your business For all of the show notes, links, and resources - Click Here
Lawrence Neal here, founder of High Intensity Business and co-founder of Optima Strength. In this episode, I give updates on my training, diet, and body composition. I also share the challenges of fatherhood and running multiple businesses, tips for managing stress, optimizing health and performance, and much more. Build your dream strength studio business For all of the show notes, links and resources - Click Here
Lawrence Neal here, founder of High Intensity Business and co-founder of Optima Strength, a strength training studio in Galway, Ireland, that provides clients with 1-on-1 strength training for 30-minutes, once or twice a week. In this episode, I'll share with you the tactics I've learned from experts on the podcast and inside HIT Business Membership and years of experience in high-level sales. We discuss networking and lead generation, creating an effective sales process, practical tips on retaining clients, and much more. Drive more leads into your strength studio For all of the show notes, links and resources - Click Here
Lawrence Neal here, founder of High Intensity Business. I’ve spoken to a lot of clients, studio owners, and members inside the HIT Business Membership, and I noticed that many haven’t yet put much focus on creating a solid sales process, which means their closing percentage is not as high as it could be, and a lot of people slip through the cracks — this is something that can greatly affect overall business revenue. In this episode, I cover what steps you need to take to create the ultimate high intensity training sales process, how I implemented it in my own studio (Optima Strength), the proper sales mindset you need to have, and much more. For all of the show notes, links and resources - Click Here
Lawrence Neal used to make in a year what he now earns in a month. Hear how the content, coaching and community inside SuperFastBusiness made it happen.
Lawrence Neal used to make in a year what he now earns in a month. Hear how the content, coaching and community inside SuperFastBusiness made it happen.
Hey everyone! Lawrence Neal here, founder of High Intensity Business. Since I receive a lot of emails from people asking about the different programs we offer through High Intensity Business (HIB), I decided to create an episode dedicated to describing the options inside HIB namely HIT Business Membership and HIT Business Intensive. Also, I’ll answer Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) to help you select the right program for your business. I’ll be glad to answer your questions. Email me at (lawrence @ highintensitybusiness.com). Join HIT Business Membership Join HIT Business Intensive For all of the show notes, links and resources - Click Here
Scott Myzlinski is the owner and host of Carnivore Cast, one of our favorite podcasts! Today, Bethany and I were able to ask Scott all of our meaty questions about the carnivore diet, the importance of strength training, and sharing his knowledge with the community. Scott has helped us so much over the years, and someone we consider to be a great friend. We were so grateful to have him on!Find Scott at- carnivorecast.com Love for- Lawrence Neal at High Intensity Business- https://highintensitybusiness.com/ Dr. Doug McGuff and John Little, author of Body By Science- https://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Research-Strength-Training/dp/0071597174
Part 2 of my wide ranging conversation with my friend Lawrence Neal (Founder of High Intensity Business) Join the HIT Business Community Listen to High Intensity Business Podcast Quotes that were mentioned or that I thought of during or after the podcast: “You don’t know who’s naked until the tide goes out.” -Warren Buffett “Being true to your values sometimes requires being false to your personality. Your personality is the set of traits you have. Your values are the principles you choose.” -Adam Grant “To be interesting, be interested.” -Dale Carnegie “The best investment you can make is an investment in yourself.” -Warren Buffett “If you run with the lame you develop a limp.” -Louie Simmons Timestamps: 2:23- Planning and staying positive during uncertain times. 6:35- Handling money and outsourcing in your business (“Who not how”). 19:45- Mentors are everything. 27:49- Having a vision. 38:59 Vulnerability and values. 44:12- Cultivating a positive mindset (and some notes on social media). Mentioned: https://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/ (Ramit Sethi) https://www.youtube.com/c/GrahamStephan https://www.youtube.com/user/akirathedon The Tim Ferriss Show (Episode 13: "Productivity Tricks for the Neurotic, Manic-Depressive, and Crazy (Like Me)" --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jakeparker/support
“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.” -Charles Bukowski Today my friend Lawrence joined me for what turned out to be part 1 of a 2 part podcast on objectivity vs. subjectivity, doing work you love, pivoting, and so much more! Timestamps: 4:32- How has Lawrence dealt with advising in-person training studios during quarantine as well as balancing taking care of his newborn son. 10:11- Resiliency, optimism, and positivity! 14:30- Mental models, the media, curating input, the future of education 28:09- entrepreneurship & the future of business 36:27- Gratitude! Mentioned: #1494 - Bret Weinstein https://samharris.org/ https://nav.al/ https://fs.blog/ If you liked this podcast you’ll enjoy these: Episode 39: Lawrence Neal with High Intensity Business Episode 110: 5 Minute Fit Tip- What You Seek is What You Find Episode 112: The Importance of Having a Vision --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jakeparker/support
In this episode TNT teams up with Lawrence Neal from the High Intensity Business podcast and Eric Feigl from the Fitness Candor podcast. We discuss transitioning from training in the gym to training at home, adapting personal training businesses to Covid, and our favorite at home protocols. Visit Lawrence at https://highintensitybusiness.com/ Visit Eric at https://fitnesscandorpodcast.podbean.com/
Today on the More Cheese Less Whiskers podcast, we're talking with Lawrence Neal, who's calling in from Ireland, where he helps personal trainers grow their business. He has a nice membership community, and we talked about the difference between growing something organically and growing something with paid advertising. It really comes down to the velocity you can gain from paid traffic and the access you have to a bigger volume of people, so we talked about how to safely do that in a way that helps you figure out the right way to get people on board. We talked about the different philosophies of people trying something on a free trial basis, and I think if you're in that kind of situation, where a free trial is a practical way for people to trial your service, you're going to enjoy this episode. Show Links:Show TranscriptProfitActivatorScore.com Want to be a guest on the show? Simply follow the 'Be a Guest' link on the left & I'll be in touch. Download a free copy of the Breakthrough DNA book all about the 8 Profit Activators we talk about here on More Cheese, Less Whiskers...
I wanted to start a personal training business in one form or another for several years now. However, the podcast and HIT Business Membership have always taken center stage. More recently, I realized it makes a lot of sense for me to start a personal training business in terms of the benefits in documenting the journey, developing my expertise, and providing more value to you in both the podcast and membership. In the Part 1, I covered the first steps to starting a HIT business, software and tools to help you run your business and how to prepare for personal training before you are certified. In this episode, I talk about location, equipment and insurance, setting up a website for your business, market research and much more. Build your $1,000,000+ HIT studio and Join HIT Business Membership For all of the show notes, links and resources - Click Here This episode is brought to you by the Resistance Exercise Conference Would you like to: Learn from the top strength training professionals and researchers? Network and connect with other exercise professionals from all over the world? And get inspired, rejuvenated, and focused on your strength training business? I certainly do, and that is why this will be my third appearance at REC. It's my favourite weekend of the year, and I am so excited to attend again in March 2020. So why should you attend REC? Well, firstly, there will be keynote presentations from exercise icons like Dr. Bente Klarlund Pedersen, Stuart Phillips PhD, James Fisher PhD, and Luke Carlson. As a studio owner, you will learn business tactics and strategies on how to grow your business from the CEO of Discover Strength, the highest revenue producing strength training company in the nation. Moreover, you will grow your network by connecting with other strength training business owners from around the world. As a personal trainer, REC will provide you with tangible training techniques to take back to your clients to implement right away for better results. REC is approved by ACSM, NASM, ACE, and NSCA for continuing education credits. The conference will be held on the 27th and 28th March 2020 at the gorgeous Graduate Hotel, in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Join me and register now over at ResistanceExerciseConference.com If you want to take your strength training business to the next level and build a world class personal training and business network, you must attend. Please register now over at ResistanceExerciseConference.com This episode is brought to you by ARXFit.com, ARX are the most innovative, efficient and effective all-in-one exercise machines I have ever seen. I was really impressed with my ARX workout. The intensity and adaptive resistance were unlike anything I’ve ever experienced. I love how the machine enables you to increase the negative load to fatigue target muscles more quickly and I love how the workouts are effortlessly quantified. The software tracks maximum force output, rate of work, total amount of work done and more in front of you on-screen, allowing you to compete with your pervious performance, to give you and your clients real-time motivation. As well as being utilized by many HIT trainers to deliver highly effective and efficient workouts to their clients, ARX comes highly recommended by world-class trainers and brands including Bulletproof, Tony Robbins, and Ben Greenfield Fitness. To find out more about ARX and get $500 OFF install, please go to ARXFit.com and mention “High Intensity Business” in the how did you hear about us field – ORDER HERE
Lawrence Neal (@highintensitybusiness) is the Founder of High Intensity Business, a business resource to help high intensity training business owners generate more profit in less time. He also hosts the High Intensity Business podcast, formerly the Corporate Warrior podcast, where he’s interviewed over 100 world class health and fitness experts including Shawn Baker, Robb Wolf, Ben Greenfield, Mark Sisson, Doug McGuff, and many others. Please consider supporting the show on Patreon or Paypal so we can reach more people: https://www.patreon.com/CarnivoreCast www.paypal.me/CarnivoreCast Lawrence and I chat about: High intensity training Lawrence’s High Intensity Business Doug McGuff (see his 21 convention presentation here) Benefits and downsides of high intensity training Lawrence’s diet and training Carnivore vs. mostly meat And much more! What questions would you like answered or who would you like to hear from in the carnivore or research community? Let me know on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. You can also email me at info@carnivorecast.com.
Today on the show I was joined by Lawrence Neal. Lawrence helps High Intensity Training Businesses thrive by providing them with guidance and invaluable information. Our discussion centered around our shared interests in personal development and the personalities that we admire from that realm as well as our shared virtues like honesty, open-mindedness, and persistence. Don't worry- Lawrence and I got down to business too and discussed how he came upon his niche, how he has gone about making pivots in his entrepreneurial life, and what High Intensity Training encompasses. Thanks so much for joining me Lawrence! High Intensity Business Website: https://highintensitybusiness.com/ High Intensity Business Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/highintensitybusiness/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jakeparker/support
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This is the first new episode I’ve recorded in a while, and it’s also one of the episodes I most enjoyed recording! I’m sure part of that is the fact that I forgot how fun it is to have conversations with smart people about complex health and wellness topics, and this interview was a great […] The post Episode 22 – Progress Update and Year in Review with Lawrence Neal appeared first on Deskbound.
Robb Wolf - The Paleo Solution Podcast - Paleo diet, nutrition, fitness, and health
It's that time again! We're back with Q&A #15. Show Notes: 1. [1:15] Thoughts on kids care? Rich says: Hi Rob, I have 2 questions for you. 1. Is Palaeo a new term from your book Wired To Eat or did someone make a huge error? 2. What are your thought on kids care such as chiropractic treatment, massage, acupuncture etc when there are no obvious signs of issues but more for general maintenance as they're always throwing themselves around? My kids are 4 and 7. Thanks in advance and genuinely love your work! Don't let spelling slow you down ;) 2. [5:56] NAD+, NR, NMN: Good or bad? Ed says: Hey Robb: Got a question regarding NMN, Nicotinamide Riboside, NAD+, etc. I’ve read and listened to several peeps like Peter Attia and guests (e.g., David Sinclair from Harvard) tout the health benefits of NMN & NR, for those of us who want to stay young. This is all fine and dandy. (See https://peterattiamd.com/davidsinclair/) . I mean the number of people taking Tru Niagen is outstanding.... (me included). Then Chris Masterjohn, who I love, indicated on one of his podcasts that we should be careful taking NR (and the like) as it effects methylation (a bad thing I think), with possible suggestion of having to take an exogenous form of glycine to balance the negative effect of taking large doses of NMN, NR products. https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/2018/07/26/careful-niacin-nicotinamide-riboside/ Been listening to you for years and always remember you getting a bit pissed off that your listeners wouldn’t do some research for themselves before submitting vocational questions. Well I’ve tried to read & Listen to everything there is and can’t clear the wheat from the chaff. Maybe you can do a video or talk about this subject on your podcast? Thanks, Ed 3. [11:00] 22g Protein/Day MAX ??! Kyle says: I am so curious what your thoughts are on this book in general and more Dr. Gundry's theory that we should eat around 22g of protein MAX per day, and essentially around 60% carbs. Seems like a brilliant book full of testimonies but his theories on animal product enzymes and heart health seem to be a little off to me but I am no expert! BTW - I am a huge fan and your work has impacted my life immensely. I am the COO for a company called The Perfect Workout. I believe we are both friends with Lawrence Neal from Corporate Warrior. Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to ask this! See you at PaleoFX in April. 4. [16:09] Extended fasting and muscle loss Keith says: Robb, How are you coming on your piece regarding fasting, mTOR, and aging strategies? I ask because I'm at a point in my health journey where I've lost the ugly weight, refocused on gaining muscle mass, and would now like to shed a little bit more fat to reveal the fruits of my labor. To do so, I've been planning on getting back to a strict ketogenic lifestyle including a moderately aggressive fasting regimen. This is the same strategy I implemented during my initial 70lb, 8-month weight loss that was largely inspired by the work of Jason Fung. I know you don't necessarily agree with Dr. Fung's opinions on fasting being a largely muscle sparing venture--which is why I've been lurking in anticipation of your work on this topic. In my journey from 230lbs to 160lbs I took part in daily intermittent fasts, frequent 36-hour fasts, and several fasts of 70-100 hour duration. Based on this experience, I didn't encounter any noticeable effect on my strength or visible musculature--even as I got down to a modest body fat percentage in the mid-teens. With that being said, I'm very interested in the specifics of your views on extended fasting as a potential tool for cutting fat while preserving muscle--specifically as it would relate to hypertrophy-focused resistance training goals. A discussion between you and Dr. Fung on this topic would make for one incredibly interesting podcast. Thanks for your time and for all of your continued work. Your ability to interpret and convey complex topics is unsurpassed in this field. 5. [25:56] Ketones too high? Rob says: Hi Robb & Nicki, I've been really enjoying this Q&A podcast format. I have a question I'd like to hear your thoughts on regarding blood BHB testing. I've been hearing many people in the field saying that the more fat/keto adapted you are, the lower your blood BHB tend to be due to increased metabolic efficiency. Personally, I've been doing keto for many years now, sensibly, following the targeted protein requirement 1st, then adding in fat for the remaining fuel (as my goal is weight maintenance, not weight loss). I've never tested my blood BHB or urine ketones, just using the ketonix to test my breath ketones, which always shows that I'm in ketosis. Recently, just for curiosity's sake, I've got my hands on blood BHB testing, and my fasted morning readings average between 1.5-2.0mmol. Plus my recent urine test also shows elevated ketones (60mg/dL), which I wasn't expecting as I thought urine ketones are only present in the beginning phase of the diet. So now I'm wondering, is this normal/desirable or too high for someone who's been doing keto for years? Does this mean that I'm still not metabolically efficient after all these years? I know you always prioritise how one looks, feels & performs, still I can't help but wonder, especially since the concept of "the higher the ketones the better" has never made much sense to me. So, yes, to put it simply, I'm asking is my ketones too high? Thank you both for your great work & your time! Where you can find us: YouTube Facebook Submit questions: https://robbwolf.com/contact/submit-a-question-for-the-podcast/
The tables are turned! In this podcast, I am interviewed (Scott Myslinski / @CarnivoreCast) by Lawrence Neal of Corporate Warrior, a podcast about high intensity training, lifestyle and business. This interview goes deep into my personal health history, how I practice carnivore, and my views on various topics such as: Grass-fed vs. grain-fed meat My average day of eating Organ meats Nutrient deficiencies Cravings and addiction Social situations Resistance training Fasting And much more! Where to find out more about Lawrence and follow him: Corporate Warrior (EXCELLENT high-intensity training podcasts!) Apple Podcasts Instagram Twitter Facebook What questions would you like answered or who would you like to hear from in the carnivore or research community? Let me know on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. You can also email me at info@carnivorecast.com.
eCareDiary will speak to Lawrence Neal, Founder of Corporate Warrior, the High Intensity Training Business and Lifestyle Podcast about anti-ageing exercises for seniors and tips to get started on a safe strength training schedule for long term benefits.
In this podcast episode I'm chatting with Lawrence Neal from 15minutecorporatewarrior.com We talk about the surprising challenges we faced as podcast hosts along the way. His podcast can be found at: https://www.15minutecorporatewarrior.com/ Join the Sustainable Self-Development FB group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/sustainableselfdevelopment Get ready for our upcoming training template with Borge: www.sustainableselfdevelopment.com
The one and only Corporate Warrior, Lawrence Neal, joins FCP to discuss how finding HIT changed his life. You may already know Lawrence as he hosts the corporate warrior podcast that interviews people like Drew Baye, Dr. Wayne Westcott, and Jim Flanagan. His mission is to maximize his life by being time efficient in all aspects from work to fitness and share that info with others! 15minutecorporatewarrior.com Instagram Corporate Warrior Podcast Please visit http://bit.ly/fitnesscandorpodcast, click View in iTunes, go to Ratings and Reviews at the top and leave a rating and/or review! That would be helpful for both of us and get our conversation to more people!
In episode 110 I was interviewed by a good friend and fellow podcaster Lawrence Neal. Lawrence asked me questions about running The OCD Stories, what I learned from my guests, what it's like training in therapy, my hopes for the show, The OCD Camp and the biggest opportunity for OCD therapists. Enjoy! Show notes: http://theocdstories.com/podcast/stuart-ralph-behind-the-scenes-of-the-ocd-stories Get exclusive podcasts and content by becoming a member of the podcast find out more here >> All the best, Stu
People spend countless hours working out to get ripped abs at the gym but it turns out that all you need is a good diet and a 15 minute strength training workout per week! Bio: Lawrence is the Founder of Corporate Warrior: High Intensity Training and HIT Business Podcast and Blog (CorporateWarrior.org). He has interviewed over 90 world class health and fitness, high intensity training and fitness business experts to discover the tactics and strategies they use to optimize success in both health and business. Previously, Lawrence had an 8 year long career in B2B technology sales selling complex IT solutions to businesses. After reading the popular fitness book, Body By Science, Lawrence embraced time-efficient high intensity training to achieve his health and fitness goals and free up time to invest in his career and side-business. This lifestyle change enabled Lawrence to close many multi-million pound business deals and grow a successful high intensity training podcast, Corporate Warrior. Lawrence’s current focus is to interview world class experts on high intensity training (HIT) and HIT Business, blog about his own high intensity training journey and HIT business advice, and coach people 1-on-1 to help them realize their own health goals in an incredibly time-efficient, effective and sustainable way.” Time Stamps: 0:20 – Lots of Updates & News from Ketogeek 7:00 – How did Lawrence Neal get into high intensity strength training & reduce strength training to 15 minutes per week? 11:58 – Why do people spend hours in the gym or training when results can be obtained in minutes? 16:12 – “The Renaissance Man” and generalist approach to the modern world 19:17 – What is HIT style training? 23:15 – Could a HIT training style be tailored for corporate needs? 25:24 – What kind of resources and books does Lawrence recommend? 28:53 – Is there anything else that can be further added to training style? 34:50 – What are some of the health concerns at work place environments? 39:15 – Can long hours at work reduce productivity? 43:35 – How do I start working out when I have no idea how to? 49:48 – Are there concerns with elderly people starting resistance training? 52:36 – When can you introduce kids to strength training? 54:17 – Dealing with excuse “I hate working out!” 55:07 – Dealing with excuse “I have no gym or I don’t want to go to the gym!” 56:42 – Dealing with excuse “I feel insecure going to the gym!” 58:26 – Dealing with excuse “I don’t like creepy guys staring at me!” 59:30 – Do you track biomarkers and count calories? 1:06:35 – What diet works well for Lawrence? 1:12:29 – How can I tell if my coach or trainer isn’t talking gibberish? 1:16:33 – Rohan or Gondor? 1:17:12 – Final Plug