Podcast appearances and mentions of naama kates

If any of you listened to the trailer I dropped a couple weeks ago, for We Met Online: Season 2, you might recognize the voice of today's guest, Dr Roger McFillin. Or you might recognize it from his own show, The Radically Genuine Podcast, which ranks in the top 2% of downloads worldwide Dr. McFillin is a clinical psychologist and a writer, who devoted his 20 year career to providing care for adults and adolescents struggling with depression, eating disorders, PTSD, and suicidal behavior, and has also become deeply disillusioned with the mental health system in this country, particularly its connection the pharmaceutical industry, which has led to what he believes is the rampant overprescription of ineffective — and often dangerous — psychotropic drugs. Sit back and listen as we discuss incels, loneliness, the mental health system, some pretty dark secrets about pharmaceuticals, and even a bit about my own firsthand experiences of late! "Anything, Anything (I'll Give You)" by Dramarama. 1985. Courtesy of Chameleon Records. ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.comThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

Today's episode is with Vintologi, the founder of the eponymous "religion" and author of the Transmaxxing Manifesto. It was recorded in July of 2021 if certain references are out of date. It was certainly interesting to revisit after my recent episode with Tina, on The TRANSMaxxing Redux episode.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Misery is a Butterly" by Blonde Redhead. 2004. Courtesy of Beggars Music Group. ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.comThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

After a very brief TL;DR of this whole sordid business that's been ruining my life for the better part of a year, we dive into an interview with... another British criminologist... named Christopher Lowe (@ChrisLowe1994), who's working on his masters and focusing on incels. It's a lovely conversation that I'm sure you'll enjoy!PS Stay tuned at the end for a little public service announcement regarding certain behaviors that are COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE and their consequences, starting now."Every Breath You Take" by The Police. 1983. Polydor Records. ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.comThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

Here's the second half of my conversation with Tonic! If you haven't listened to the first part, please go back and check it out, for more of his life story and a history of incel spaces, to lead into some deeper and darker waters about Elliott Rodger, r/IncelTear, macabre poasting, and the experience of having one's words transformed into art. Part 2 of 2. ——————————————————————— "Fuck it I love you" by Lana Del Rey. 2019. Interscope Records. ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.comThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

Today's episode is a true return-to-form to very early days of the pod, as Tonic and I discuss the very early days of the community — long-gone places like love shy, r/incelswithouthate, r/askanincel and r/ inceltears. We also talk about the ER manifesto, the need for an affirmative incel identity, manipulative documentarians, the redemptive promise of the arts and connection, and his insights are absolutely brilliant. Part 1 of 2. "Change the World" by Eric Clapton. 1996. The Orchard Music. ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.comThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

34-year-old John (@evilcorgi69) is a writer from North Carolina. He's an incel, and he's had a difficult life, he's a male survivor of childhood sexual abuse and he's been grossly mistreated by the travesty that is the mental healthcare system in this country. As you're about to hear, John is charming, articulate, insightful, and kind, so on one hand, I really enjoyed talking to him. But his account of his experiences was also utterly infuriating..."Protection" by Massive Attack. 1994. Wild Bunch Records. ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

Tina (@LlamatoTina) is a 23 year old transwoman from Germany - a former associate of Vintologi, the Swedish author of the eponymous Transmaxxing Manifesto. She is a transmaxxer qua transmaxxer, who endorses transitioning for all sorts of reasons besides gender dysphoria, including "personal gain" and escaping inceldom. But her own story is much more complex. "Our Lips Are Sealed" by The Go-Go's. 1981. Courtesy of I.R.S. Records. Check out Tina's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@llamato ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.comThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

Last week we read an article by Salma Mahmoud discussing so-called “Incel Complex,” exploring her claims with Incel Project creator Naama Kates. The article did not accurately report on the research, beginning with its main claim that a psychological complex has been defined and is being explored for treatment options. How much did Salma get wrong?This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4148711/advertisement

A new mental health condition just dropped, according to MD Linx, a publication which “strives to provide resources” to help healthcare professionals navigate their careers in today's world. This week on HBR talk we will be exploring an article by Salma Mahmoud discussing “Incel Complex,” with Incel Project creator Naama Kates.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4148711/advertisement

Today's episode, officially 100, brings you a timeless theme: a currycel comes to the West with hopes of living out the immigrant dream. But it doesn't quite work out as planned, as ThirdWorldCel describes alienation, disappointment, and depression from his ubiquitous perspective. "Born to Die" by Lana Del Rey. 2011. Interscope Records. ———————————————————————Discord: thirdworldcel#4881 —————————————————————————————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.comThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5608426/advertisement

Today's episode is about what they're all about - obsessions, rejections, frustrations, and putting one foot in front of the other in the face of it all. It features Trevor (@mrmapleleafrag), a 26-year-old incel and writer from far up North in Canada, who works in local news, and struggles with OCD. We discuss his experiences with the mental health system and dating, and a savage one-itis on a counselor that still haunts him. "LOVE." by Kendrick Lamar. 2017. Courtesy of UMG. Read Trevor's substack on: mapleleafrag.substack.com——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

we met online. is a new show from Katherine Dee and Naama Kates. In this cross-posted episode, Naama and Katherine discuss cam girls: the history, business model, cultural context, and psychology of these digital entertainers. Listen here: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/we-met-onlineRegularly scheduled episodes of The Computer Room will resume next week.

we met online. is a new show from Katherine Dee and Naama Kates. On episode one, Katherine and Naama discuss 2011's seminal documentary, Catfish: the movie that started a show, a phenomenon, and a prolific career for its star, Nev Schulman.Listen here.Follow on Twitter: @wemetonline   

Here's a bonus episode with Dr Sohom Das (@dr_s_das), a London-based forensic psychiatrist, author, and YouTuber who I met on the Shaun Attwood Show, answering some of my questions about violence, criminal behavior, mental illness and where they all meet. Check out Dr. Das's YouTube channel, "A Psych for Sore Minds": https://t.co/NyhrUHxWkc——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today's episode features a young man who'll go by Paul, in his 30s, from England, who's not quite an incel - he lost his virginity at 27 and had a brief relationship of a couple months - but otherwise, he basically is. He thinks that his relationship with his mother might have had something to do with it, a theme that seems to run quietly throughout the incelosphere. "Momma Said" by the Shirelles. 1961. Courtesy of UMG. ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

This week's guest is Jake (@FIat_Stanley), a 23 year-old American incel who doesn't really identify as such; he isn't much of a joiner. He's also abstinent from alcohol and mind-altering substances, and he believes there's a connection. We discuss, and get into a fascinating discussion about ethics, consent, and social engineering. J.I.D. performing "151 Rum" by J.I.D. 2019. Dreamville Records. Check out Jake's YouTube channel, @Jakester897: here. ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today we sit down with Joe Whittaker (@CTProject_JW), an extremism researcher who teaches cybercrime at Swansea University in Wales, to continue our series about the wonderful world of Countering Violent Extremism. We talk about his research on online radicalization and get into the nuts and bolts of some of these "derad" programs everyone's always talking about.——————————————————————— "untitled 07 | levitate" by Kendrick Lamar. 2016. Courtesy of Universal Music Group.——————————————————————— Read Joe's article about online radicalization: https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/binaries/content/assets/customsites/perspectives-on-terrorism/2022/issue-4/whittaker.pdf——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today you're in for another treat with Gio (@giantgio), host of Gio's Content Minded Corner, a fellow podcaster and fantastic artist (and a truecel, according to him, for those of you listeners griping about the excess of normies on the lineup). We discuss inceldom, romance, philosophy, the e-Right, gatekeeping, turning 30, critical theory, wrestling, Law & Order SVU, the gender wars, pay-pigs, and much more. Dig in. "Never Meant" by American Football. 1999. Courtesy of Polyvinyl Records. ——————————————————————— Check out Gio's podcast, Content Minded, at https://www.youtube.com/@GiantArtProductions, and more of his art on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/giantproductions ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today's guest is the writer Mary Gaitskill, whose novels and short stories have been adapted into motion pictures and nominated for major literary prizes like the PEN/Faulkner award, the National Book Award, and the National Critics Circle Award, and if you've read any of them, you know why, you know how her characters make you feel seen, for all the cruelty and strength and fragility and beauty and ugliness you possess, how they remain alive within you long after you turn the last page, and change the way you move through the world. We first met when she interviewed me for it, actually, to talk about incels — with whom she feels a kinship for many reasons that we get into today... ———————————————————————"Hallelujah" (cover) performed by Jeff Buckley. 1994. Courtesy of Columbia Records. ——————————————————————— Read Mary's brilliant essays from "Out of It": https://marygaitskill.substack.com/ and listen to our first interview if you missed it: https://marygaitskill.substack.com/p/only-the-lonely ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today's guest , Matt, is also a former incel, who ascended at 23, and is currently married — essentially — with four children, and studying psychology. He also has a YouTube channel, sort of a self-help for incels, called @BlackPillMedicine. It's a tiny channel, in a sea of similarly themed content - self improvement, DIY psychology, red pillers, and the like — but Matt stands apart from this crowd, for a number of reasons, including his comprehensive theory of inceldom as a social disorder. Check out his channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqK6Px_Vjiha_-wxOEwUAw "Children Will Listen / Finale" from Into the Woods by Stephen Sondheim, cast recording. 2022. Courtesy of Craft Records. ———————————————————————Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Happy New Year, world! Before our first official episode of the year, with Black Pill Medicine, here's a little bonus -- the audio from my chat with Dr. Carolina Hermes of Brazil, that she graciously let me share with you all here. Carolina's YouTube channel is youtube.com/@carohermes, and her Twitter account is @Manosphere101. (The bio is "satire of the Manosphere" and I know some listeners were curious if this would be an anti-incel perspective, but it really wasn't -- very interesting though!) Enjoy! ———————————————————————Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Welcome back to the Clip Show. Today we continue on our journey, commemorating 2022, with four fantastic guests and what we learned from them... There's still one more week of the year, so enjoy, and stay tuned for the final installment of 2022: RECOIL! Merry Christmas from your Faerie Podmother!

Hello world! Today's episode is a bonus, year-in-review medley, as a way to take inventory before heading on into 2023. PodMother loves all her children equally, so we're not going to a "Best Of" list. Instead, this is going to be a clip show, like they do on TV, to recap what we've learned, and check in our lovely guests.Outro: "We Are Born When We Die" by Apollo Sunshine. 2008. Courtesy of Headless Heroes. ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today we're going to continue this streak of exceptional interviews and our branching out of the WEIRD world we often inhabit (that's the acronym WEIRD: Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic) with Karun, a currycel living in India. This is a timely interview in part because just last week we had a mind numbingly bad article in GNET (the global network on extremism and technology) titled “Incel Extremism in India: A view from the global south.” I won't be including that link in the notes but you can google. I'm sure you'll all be shocked when I tell you that none of its “insights” are reflected in the conversation you're about to here... Outro: "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand. 2004. Courtesy of Domino Records. ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Last week, we dug into a hit piece against incels with Naama Kates, and the muck turned out to be thick and putrid. We couldn't slog through the whole thing in one night, so this week on HBR Talk we will continue examining the train wreck… I mean article.

Happy Thanksgiving, fellow Yanks! In honor of NatSec November, I decided to continue the discussion about the state of security and intelligence today, and there's absolutely no one know who understands it better than Phil Gurski (@borealissaves), president and CEO of Borealis Threat & Risk consulting, 20 year veteran of CSIS - the canadian security and intelligence service, author of multiple books, and host of the "Canadian Intelligence, Eh" podcast... Listen to Phil on NATO's Deep Dive podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive/id1591430137 And check out Phil's podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/canadian-intelligence-eh/id1455756173 and check out the Borealis Threat and Risk national security blog: https://borealisthreatandrisk.com/blog/ Outro: "Burn the Witch" by Radiohead, 2016, c/o XL Records.——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Feminists are doubling and tripling down on the narrative that even being involuntarily celibate makes men a threat and a harm to women. They've promoted rumors. They've exploited tragedies. They've written hit pieces upon hit pieces to hammer the idea home that women should fear these men. This week on HBR Talk, Naama Kates is going to join us in reading through and reacting to one such piece about a documentary that promises to also be a hit piece.

This past Tuesday was Election Day in the United States, so in keeping with the vaguely political climate around here, it's time for a State of the Union episode, if the union here is the global village of experts in countering violent extremism.We haven't had such an episode in quite some time, because I've been rather frustrated with that community's fixation on incels, and I couldn't think of an "incel expert" to have on the show. Instead, today we talk about what terrorism actually is, and what it actually isn't, with Liam Duffy (@LiamSD12). Liam is an advisor to the Counter Extremism Project, a friend, and a great writer, and graciously agreed to come on and talk a little shop and dispel some stubborn myths about how this all works…Read Liam's work for UnHerd at https://unherd.com/author/liam-duffy/Outro: Nobody Speak by DJ Shadow feat. Run the Jewels. 2016. Courtesy of Mass Appeal.——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today's guest is one you've all been looking forward to, and he does NOT disappoint. In fact, one of the reasons I was inspired to drop this early Halloween episode on y'all was this conversation, which we just recorded a few days ago. Paul is psychotherapist, in his 50s, from England, and our conversation left me rather speechless… so sit down, pour yourself a drink, and have a listen. Happy Halloween. "Wild World" by Cat Stevens. 1970. Courtesy of Island Music. ——————————————————————Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today's is guest is Helena, a 29 year-old female virgin from Russia. She doesn't describe herself as a femcel, but she'd probably fit the definition according to the standards of many of these piece from trendy women's magazines of late… but Helena is not one to feel sorry for herself, nor to blame men or the world at large for her situation, she's really something of a hopeless romantic, who's been through a lot in her life, including a long-distance crush on an incel... or two... "How Come You Don't Call me" by Alicia Keys. 2001. Courtesy of J Records/Legacy. —————————————————————— Helena's Discord: Darkmare900#8241 ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today we have an interview with Donga, a 22 year old black man from Johannesburg, South Africa who identifies as incel. Donga is incredibly wise for his years, and brought a macro sort of perspective on the whole phenomenon that's been sorely needed… and in his perspective, the urbanization of his own country is yielding similar results to John B. Calhoun's “mice utopia” experiments… “Crapa Pelada (Blind Mice)” by Quartetto Cetra. 1945. Atlas Music Group. ————————————————————————————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

This week was derailed by horrible studies and even worse media coverage on incels, which I'll be getting to in detail next week! But I didn't want to leave you all hanging, so here's a special bonus from Patreon, edited down for Main! —————————————————————— In case you all haven't had enough (and we sure haven't), more on the curious case of Keffals vs. KiwiFarms! Thanks to @default_friend, this discussion goes beyond mere ogling and into important issues like how to distinguish a credible threat from garden variety internet trash talk, and how to establish proper boundaries in parasocial relationships! Dig in. —————————————————————— "Territorial Pissings" by Nirvana. (1991). Courtesy of Geffen Records. ————————————————————————————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today's episode is one that I've been looking forward to for a long time, featuring Miss Audrey Brynn (@AudreyBrynn1), a professional domanitrix from London, whose perspective on men, sex, incels, desire, and this podcast is worth its metaphorical weight in gold! She even has a background in criminology, which I didn't know until we spoke… She reached out a few months ago, after having listened to a bunch of episodes, and said she loved the show, and had some clients that were probably incels. She didn't offer to come on as a guest, I asked her — something just told me she'd be amazing… she said she'd think about it. We talked again, a couple weeks later, she agreed, and we set a date!_________________________________________ "This Year's Girl" by Elvis Costello. 1978. Courtesy of Universal Music Group.——————————————————————Check out Miss Audrey's blog on her website at: www.missaudreybrynn.com ____________________________________________________Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Welcome to Modern-Day Debate. Our vision is to provide a neutral debate platform so everyone has their fair shot to make their case on a level playing field. _______________________________________________________________________________LINKS TO GUESTS:Naama's podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/incel/id1469915971PWF: https://www.youtube.com/c/PlayingWithFireDatingKevin:https://www.youtube.com/c/KevinRayWilderVanta: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDPMTEIFLiCe54wrNDd0U2gQB: https://www.youtube.com/c/QBPassportFlexinThe charity (World Wide Orphans) that 100% of tonight's sooper-chats are going to:https://www.wwo.org/*The charity watchdog rating of the charity (World Wide Orphans) that tonight's sooper chats are going to: https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/133968225_______________________________________________________________________________RULES FOR CHAT-Chats flagrantly disrespectful toward speakers will receive a warning. *Attack the ideas instead of the person.-Chatters continuing the disrespect after a warning will be banned.-Chatters violating TOS (e.g., hate speech) are banned without warning.________________________________________________________________________________ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO ASK QUESTIONS FOR Q&AYouTube takes 30% of all super chats. Want to send a super-chat question in without helping YouTube profit more? Send your question via Venmo (@ModernDayDebate) or PayPal (moderndaydebate@Gmail.com) and add your question into the message box when sending your donation.________________________________________________________________________________OUR SOCIAL MEDIA*EVERY debate we host is uploaded to our podcast (available on fine podcast apps everywhere - look us up on your favorite podcast app!)YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/moderndaydebatePatreon: https://www.patreon.com/ModernDayDebateTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/moderndaydebateDiscord: https://discord.gg/Qp7VtZ2Twitter: https://twitter.com/ModernDayDebate (@ModernDayDebate)Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ModernDayDebate______________________________________________________________________________________DISCLAIMER The views shared by guests on Modern-Day Debate are not necessarily representative of the views of Modern-Day Debate, James, or any university he has or has had any affiliation with. This includes our debate podcast.______________________________________________________________________________________I'm a Christian. If you ever want prayer or just someone to talk to after a horrible day, please reach out and let me know. moderndaydebate@gmail.com__________________________________________________________________________________#Debate #Podcast

Today's episode features an interview with Bottle Blank, an incel-adjacent singleton from the United Kingdom, whose shyness and social difficulties make him feel like a passive actor in his own life, somewhere in the background or at the whim of other people. His experiences with women have been awful and relatable, and we discuss them with great candor in this intimate, old-school return to form. "Use Me" by Bill Withers, 1972. Sussex Records.——————————————————————Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Today's chat is another one with my soul sister, Default Friend, with whom podding is always such a pleasure that we're going to start doing it more often. Make it a regular thing. The prompts for today include a piece in Countere, an always interesting digital magazine, about an online support group for people with homicidal ideation. Specifically mass-homicidal ideation - Mass Murderers Anonymous - followed by a response piece, to a response piece about a response to a film review, a meta-criticism (of a criticism of a criticism) of the downtown New York arts scene known as Dimes Square. The art created by the scene has mostly been contained to substacks and podcasts, apparently, which is also fitting. So this is just one more of those to add to the list.  ——————————————————————“I Don't Like Mondays” by Tori Amos, 2001, courtesy of Atlantic Recordings.—————————————————————— Read the Countere article: Mass Murderers Anonymous: https://www.countere.com/home/mass-murderers-anonymous-how-recovery-groups-could-stop-the-next-mass-shooting, Crumps's piece: https://mcrumps.substack.com/p/my-own-dimes-square-fascist-humiliation/ and Default's piece about Crumps's piece:https://defaultfriend.substack.com/p/bad-anthropology—————————————————————— Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Episode 5 The Colonial Parkway Murders Part 1When 27 year-old Cathy Thomas, and her girlfriend 21 year old Rebecca Ann Dowski were found brutally murdered in October, 1986 inside Cathy's White 1980 Honda Civic along Virginia's idyllic Colonial Parkway, police were at a loss over the brutality and senselessness of the murders. Both women had been bound, strangled, and their throats were cut. Their killer, or killers, had moved their vehicle and pushed it down on embankment towards the water after failing to burn the vehicle using kerosene. Cathy, a stockbroker who had a stellar background as a US Naval academy grad, and Rebecca, a senior at the college of William and Mary, did not seem to have enemies. But a closer look into their background revealed possible motives for the murders. Cathy had essentially been forced out of the Navy because of rules at that time that prohibited gay or Lesbian soldiers from serving in the military. Rebecca also had an ex-boyfriend who was upset with her for leaving him and starting a relationship with Cathy. While there were possible motives for the murders, investigators also needed to consider whether the two women were killed by a random stranger, and were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wouldn't be until more couples were murdered or went missing in the same area, that authorities began to suspect that a serial killer was roaming the Colonial Parkway. But were all of the cases actually connected, and was the same person or persons responsible for all of the cases? In part 1 of our 2 part coverage of the Colonial Parkway Murders, we look very closely at the murders of Cathy Thomas and Rebecca Ann Dowski, aided by Cathy's brother, Bill Thomas, a staunch advocate for not just his sister's case, but all of the familied and cases in the Colonial Parkway series. He has worked tirelessly for over 3 decades trying to get answers in this case, one that remains unsolved to this day, and he shares the bumpy road he's had to travel to get justice; one that often has left him at odds with the investigators working the case, in particular the FBI. We are also joined by DNA expert Suzanna Ryan who shares her insights and expertise regarding the clues and physical evidence left behind by the killer, or killers.If you have information about the Colonial Parkway Murders, please contact the Norfolk FBI at 757-455-0100 or send an e-mail to Colonial_Parkway_Murders@ic.fbi.govTo visit the most comprehensive online resource on the net for the case, visit https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/To contact DNA expert Suzanna Ryan, or learn more about her work, visit her website:http://ryanforensicdna.com/about/Check out a preview at the beginning of this episode for Mind Over Murder, co-hosted by Bill Thomas. https://mindovermurderpodcast.com/To find out how to join us live as we record each new episode of Citizen Detective, follow us on Social Media.Twitter- https://twitter.com/CitizenDPodFacebook Home Page- https://www.facebook.com/CitizenDetectivePodcastFacebook Discussion group- https://www.facebook.com/groups/233261280919915Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/citizendpod/?hl=enYoutube- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSgvqIuf4-sEF2aDdNGip2wTo support this podcast on Patreon and gain access to ad-free episodes, bonus content, and our after-show 'The Scrum' visit Patreon.com/CitizenDetective Continue the conversation about this case with fellow Citizen Detectives over at Websleuths: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/forums/citizen-detective-true-crime-podcast.719/The Citizen Detective team includes:Co-Hosts- Mike Morford, Naama Kates, and Dr. Lee MellorWriting and Research- Alex RalphTechnical Producer- Andrew GrayProduction Assistant- Ashley Monroe

This week is a fascinating interview with a remarkable young man named Elliot, who suffers from a neurological condition called periventricular leukomalacia, the result of a brain injury that occurs during childbirth. It can manifest in many different ways, including cerebral palsy and multiple sclerosis, and it damage to very specific regions of the brain. Elliott's story - the way he recognized this condition in himself - is truly amazing. He reached out because, for him, one of the manifestations is impaired motivation, specifically to participate in unstructured social situations, and also very little pleasure or satisfaction in such. He is technically an incel, I think, in that he's celibate, and it's not entirely voluntary, though he doesn't seek out relationships for the above reasons… well, he does listen to the podcast and he thought a lot of incels out there might be suffering from something similar. And I think he might be right!  —————————————————————— "A Nervous Tic Motion of the Head to Left" by Andrew Bird. 2005, c/o Wegawam Music Co.  —————————————————————— Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Finally it's here - our first episode with a trans woman who identified as an incel during her younger years and relates to the mindset... This is a fascinating one, though the title is sort of clickbait-y -- sorry Vintologi! Because we think "transmaxxing" is really just a meme. Nixie (@ManicPixJeepGrl) is incredibly honest and compelling so I think I need say no more! Outro music: "Real" by Kendrick Lamar feat. Anna Wise. 2013 c/o Aftermath/Interscope Records. —————————————————————— Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Episode 4 Catrina MowreyOn June 25th, 1985 police in Dallas, Texas received a phone call from a concerned citizen who reported an abandoned car in an alley with a foul smell coming from it; a car that had been in the same spot for days. When police investigated and opened the trunk, they found a dead woman inside the trunk. She was nude and wrapped in a sheet. The victim was soon identified as 24 year-old Catherine Mowrey, who went by Catrina. Much of Catrina's life in Dallas was a msytery to her family back home in Kansas. When Catrina's body was found, she was supposed to be back in Kansas visiting her family. The car was traced to Catrina's boyfriend who claimed to have no knowledge or involvement in Catrina's death. According to him, Catrina had driven his car back to Kansas to see her family. Police theorized that Catrina had taken her own life. They then shifted to the theory that Catrina had died of a drug overdose, but when no drugs were found in Catrina's system, they one again changed direction dismissing the death as 'undetermined' and essentially that's where investigation into Catrina's death seemed to stall. Due to decomposition, the medical examiner left the official cause of death as 'undetermined'. For years, Catrina's family fought an uphill battle to find out the truth behind Catrina's death; a battle that they still are fighting today. In this episode, we are joined by Catrina's niece, Catrina Marshall, as well as death investigator Landen Wilson, and Jared Bradley of MVAC DNA extraction services.If you have information about the death of Catrina Mowrey, please report it to the Homicide Unit of the Dallas Police Department at 214-671-3661 or its General Investigations line at 214-671-3503. Tips can also be sent to Catrina Marshall on Twitter at @catrinamarsh91To sign the petition urging Dallas Officials to look closer at Catrina's case, visit this link:https://www.change.org/p/texas-state-house-why-has-this-murder-been-swept-under-the-rug?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=custom_url&recruited_by_id=e5479760-b790-11eb-816e-c52257a094f5To find out how to join us live as we record each new episode of Citizen Detective, follow us on Social Media.Twitter- https://twitter.com/CitizenDPodFacebook Home Page- https://www.facebook.com/CitizenDetectivePodcastFacebook Discussion group- https://www.facebook.com/groups/233261280919915Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/citizendpod/?hl=enYoutube- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSgvqIuf4-sEF2aDdNGip2wTo support this podcast on Patreon and gain access to ad-free episodes, bonus content, and our after-show 'The Scrum' visit Patreon.com/CitizenDetective Continue the conversation about this case with fellow Citizen Detectives over at Websleuths: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/forums/citizen-detective-true-crime-podcast.719/The Citizen Detective team includes:Co-Hosts- Mike Morford, Naama Kates, and Dr. Lee MellorWriting and Research- Alex RalphTechnical Producer- Andrew GrayProduction Assistant- Ashley Monroe

Episode 3 Dale Williams42 Year-Old husband, and Father Dale Williams was a well-liked, and well-known around the town of Nucla, Colorado; a town of less than 1,000 people. Dale, the owner of a body shop, had the reputation as someone who would help anyone in need. After Dale and his wife helped a friend move away from her abusive husband, Dale found that his shop was broken into, and photos of Dale and this couple were found torn up on the floor next to some bullets. Dale's gun had also been stolen, and later turned up when it was placed in the drop slot at his wife's video store. Was this an ominous warning of some kind? On May 27, 1999 following this incident, Dale received a mysterious phone call at his shop from someone asking for help with car trouble they supposedly had. An ear witness caught part of the conversation, and got the impression the call came from a woman. Dale ventured out to help the person, and along the way stopped to talk to a friend of his. This friend got the impression that Dale was worried somehow about heading out to help the motorist in need, and sensed that he had really stopped by to see if her husband was around to perhaps go with him. Unfortuately, he wasn't and Dale drove off to help the motorist in trouble. It was the last time he was ever seen. Dale vanished along with his truck; a white 1994 Ford F250 pickup. When Dale's didn't come home, his wife knew something was wrong. A search for Dale and his truck came up empty. When Dale's wife put missing persons flyers up, she was shocked to find out someone was taking them down- someone they knew. It wasn't until weeks later that someone fishing at an area swimming hol,e known only to locals, discovered Dale's truck submerged in 13 feet of water. Police recovered it, but there was no sign of Dale. In the weeks, months, and years after the discovery of Dale's truck, his tools began to turn up on the side of the road not far from where his truck was found. Sadly, Dale never turned up, and was declared legally dead, suspected to be a victim of a homicide. Over the years, rumors have swirled in the small town of Nucla about what happened to Dale Williams, but as of now, there is no clear answer. Dale's Daughter Tonee Lawrence & Profiler Doug McGregor are the guests in this episode. They help us get a sense both of Dale's life, and the area he went missing in.If you have information about Dale's case, please call the Colorado Bureau of investigation at 970-248-7500For more information about the case visit: http://whereisdalewilliams.net/and on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/missingdalewilliams/This episode sponsored in part by Magic Mind, the world's first productivity shot. To save 40% off your first subscription or 20% off your first one-time first purchase, visit Magicmind.co/detective and use promo code Detective20 at checkoutTo find out how to join us live as we record each new episode of Citizen Detective, follow us on Social Media.Twitter- https://twitter.com/CitizenDPodFacebook Home Page- https://www.facebook.com/CitizenDetectivePodcastFacebook Discussion group- https://www.facebook.com/groups/233261280919915Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/citizendpod/?hl=enYoutube- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSgvqIuf4-sEF2aDdNGip2wTo support this podcast on Patreon and gain access to ad-free episodes, bonus content, and our after-show 'The Scrum' visit Patreon.com/CitizenDetective Continue the conversation about this case with fellow Citizen Detectives over at Websleuths: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/forums/citizen-detective-true-crime-podcast.719/The Citizen Detective team includes:Co-Hosts- Mike Morford, Naama Kates, and Dr. Lee MellorWriting and Research- Alex RalphTechnical Producer- Andrew GrayProduction Assistant- Ashley Monroe

Here at last, the @heropilled episode! For those of you who don't follow me on Twitter, I wrote a piece about this for UnHerd last week that was based on the interview you're about to hear with e-boy/YouTuber/philosopher, Crooner, whose friends, dubbed “the e-Romantics” look at love online in an inspiring new way! I know you've all been looking forward to this one, and I have too! “Love fool” by the Cardigans, c/o UMG. ************************************ Check out my UnHerd piece: https://unherd.com/2022/07/incels-can-become-heroes/ **************************************************** Crooner's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTqF9JnWhA-pBPEsZwyNZrw ***************************************** The Break the Rules episode about the Hero Pill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6tLpIeEItM&t=1032s —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna have an insightful conversation with Naama Kates (of the Incel Podcast) and Lee Mellor (of the Murder Was The Case Podcast) about their new show, Citizen Detective. For more information on Naama, Lee and their show, check out the links below. Enjoy! Come see us on tour with Patrick Hinds and Maggie Freleng! https://www.truecrimeobsessed.com/see-us-live Check out our Crawlspace subscription service where we have a bonus show and ad-free episodes! https://crawlspace.supportingcast.fm/ Check out our Missing subscription service where we have a bonus show and ad-free episodes! https://missing.supportingcast.fm/ Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod  Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast  Follow us on Instagram: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast This episode is sponsored by Best Fiends! We love Best Fiends and when you play you get $5 worth of in-game rewards when you reach Level 5! https://bestfiends.com/ Listen to Citizen Detective on: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/citizen-detective/id1451873206 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ljtgkDEtaZQhOvzrqXzly?si=967580e0276e4ace Follow Citizen Detective: Twitter: https://twitter.com/CitizenDPod Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/CitizenDetectivePodcast Insta: https://www.instagram.com/citizendpod/?hl=en Listen to Naama's show Incel: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/incel/id1469915971 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/09oa7IaSpWHgzysJNoAq0N?si=3d2c88d195cf4a43 Listen to Lee Mellor's show Murder Was The Case: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/murder-was-the-case/id1327969221 Spotify; https://open.spotify.com/show/2vfkBibiHPox5DvNjAEzZe?si=cd9896e80d6b4890 Follow Naama on Twitter: https://twitter.com/naamakates Follow Lee Mellor on Twitter: https://twitter.com/murderwtcase The music for Crawlspace was produced by David Flajnik. Listen to his music here: https://www.pond5.com/artist/bigdsound  Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/ Join the Crawlspace Discussion Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/talkcrawlspace/ Crawlspace Media is part of the Glassbox Media Network. Check them out here: https://glassboxmedia.com/ Go to https://smile.amazon.com/ to connect your existing Amazon account to donate to PI's For the Missing. Follow Private Investigations For the Missing https://investigationsforthemissing.org/ http://piftm.org/donate https://twitter.com/PIFortheMissing https://www.facebook.com/PIFortheMissing/ https://www.instagram.com/investigationsforthemissing/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Episode 2 Rachael RunyanIn this episode, the panel examines the heartbreaking August, 1982 abduction and murder of 3 year-old Rachael Runyan in Sunset, Utah. Rachael was playing at a park alongside her brothers, just feet away from her home. Their mom Elaine, watched from the window as she prepared a meal for the family. Although Elaine was nervous about letting the kids out to play, she wanted them to have fun, and they'd only be outside for a short while until it was time to come in. But in the blink of an eye, tragedy struck. A stranger approached the 3 young siblings and asked them if they wanted ice cream from Bobco's, a local store. Rachael's brother warned her not to follow the man, but she took a few steps toward him and within seconds, the man snatched Rachael up and was gone. Rachael's brothers raced inside to tell Elaine, and she called police who were at her home in less than 5 minutes. Police quickly took action and set up a county wide roadblock, but they did not find Rachael of her abductor. Police worked closely with Rachael's brother to gather details of what he witnessed, and despite his young age, he gave police a very detailed description of the man and his car. The suspect had dark skin and was possibly Black, or Hispanic. He was 5'8" to 6'0" tall, with a medium build, and a black mustache, and between twenty-five and thirty-five years old. His car was described as blue midsize car with wood grain stripes on the side- possibly a Ford Pinto Squire Station-Wagon, or similar vehicle. Sunset Utah had a heavily Caucasian population, and despite the very distinct description of a suspect who was possibly Black or Hispanic, along with a very unique car, no suspect was identified. Almost a month later, Rachael's naked body was found hog-tied in a creek off a dirt road in Morgan County, twenty miles from the park where she had been abducted. Due to decomposition, Rachael's cause of death was unclear, and it could not be determined if she was sexually assaulted. Rachael's case shocked the Sunset community, and they only became more troubled when it came to light that Rachael's murder may have been connected to the occult or a snuff film. 40 years later, there have been no arrests, and Rachael's case is still unsolved. Rachael's mom Elaine, as well as Private Cold Case Investigator Jason Jensen are guests in this episode. They discuss this tragic case in details from their perspective and share details of a promising suspect who they hope may be proven to be Rachael's killer. Justice for Rachael Runyan Facebook page-https://www.facebook.com/Justice-for-Rachael-Runyan-950052995036162Rachael Runyan Private Investigation Facebook page set up by Jason Jensen-https://www.facebook.com/RachaelRunyanPrivateInvestigationIf you, or anyone you know, has information about this case, please contactone of the following resources:Jason Jensen can be reached at jason@jenseninvestigations.com and801-759-2248.Sunset Police Chief Ken Eborn can be contacted at 801-825-1620.Utah's Bureau of Criminal Investigation urges people with tips to call theircold case tip hotline at 833-DPS-SAFE, or 833-377-7233This episode sponsored in part by Magic Mind, the world's first productivity shot. To save 40% off your first subscription or 20% off your first one-time first purchase, visit Magicmind.co/detective and use promo code Detective20 at checkoutTo find out how to join us live as we record each new episode of Citizen Detective, follow us on Social Media.Twitter- https://twitter.com/CitizenDPodFacebook Home Page- https://www.facebook.com/CitizenDetectivePodcastFacebook Discussion group- https://www.facebook.com/groups/233261280919915Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/citizendpod/?hl=enYoutube- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSgvqIuf4-sEF2aDdNGip2wTo support this podcast on Patreon and gain access to ad-free episodes, bonus content, and our after-show 'The Scrum' visit Patreon.com/CitizenDetective Continue the conversation about this case with fellow Citizen Detectives over at Websleuths: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/forums/citizen-detective-true-crime-podcast.719/The Citizen Detective team includes:Co-Hosts- Mike Morford, Naama Kates, and Dr. Lee MellorWriting and Research- Alex RalphTechnical Producer- Andrew GrayProduction Assistant- Ashley Monroe

Today's the day we finally talk to the controversial Single-DadCel, Arch Anemone (@knubberrub). The conversation is very interesting and emotional, covering a life journey, the beginnings of the incel subculture, codependency, self-abandonment, politics, and the Apex Fallacy. “God Bless the Child” by Billie Holiday. 1956. Courtesy of UMG. —————————————————————— Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL20 for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com

Episode 1 Russell and Shirley DermondIn the premiere episode of Citizen Detective, hosts Mike Morford, Naama Kates, and Dr. Lee Mellor explore the truly bizarre double murder of Russell and Shirley Dermond. In May of 2014, 88 year old Russell Dermond, and his 87 year old wife Shirley Dermond, were enjoying retirement in their gated waterfront home in Great Waters Reynolds at Lake Oconee in Putnam County, Georgia. When they failed to arrive at a neighbor's Kentucky Derby party, the neighbor tried to get ahold of the Dermonds, but was unable to do so. Worried, the neighbor went over to the Dermond home on May 6, and after finding the Dermond home unlocked, they made their way inside. What they found shocked and horrified them. Inside the garage lay the decapitated body of Russell Dermond. His his head was missing, and so was Shirley. The news shocked local residents and the community at large, and police scrambled to figure out who had murdered Russell, and where was his wife Shirley. Over a week later, Shirley's body was found floating in Lake Oconee. The killer, or killers, had tried to weigh her body down in the lake with concrete blocks. Police were stumped as to a motive for the double murder. Was it a robbery gone wrong? Was it a hit? Was it personal? The answers have eluded investigators for almost a decade.The Dermond case is a favorite for amateur sleuths. In this episode, the team explores the clues and details of the case. We are joined by retired homicide Detective, Cloyd Steiger, and GBI death investigator, and host of the podcast Autopsy, Landen Wilson. And of course, we have the Citizen Detectives at our side.This episode sponsored in part by Magic Mind, the world's first productivity shot. To save 40% off your first subscription or 20% off your first one-time first purchase, visit Magicmind.co/detective and use promo code Detective20 at checkoutTo find out how to join us live as we record each new episode of Citizen Detective, follow us on Social Media.Twitter- https://twitter.com/CitizenDPodFacebook Home Page- https://www.facebook.com/CitizenDetectivePodcastFacebook Discussion group- https://www.facebook.com/groups/233261280919915Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/citizendpod/?hl=enYoutube- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSgvqIuf4-sEF2aDdNGip2wTo support this podcast on Patreon and gain access to ad-free episodes, bonus content, and our after-show 'The Scrum' visit Patreon.com/CitizenDetective Continue the conversation about this case with fellow Citizen Detectives over at Websleuths: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/forums/citizen-detective-true-crime-podcast.719/The Citizen Detective team includes:Co-Hosts- Mike Morford, Naama Kates, and Dr. Lee MellorWriting and Research- Alex RalphTechnical Producer- Andrew GrayProduction Assistant- Ashley Monroe

David Sherratt (@discordspies), formerly known as "Spinosauruskin" was an MRA YouTuber, heavy on the scene years ago when it was just taking shape. He left the movement and his YouTubing behind after a major falling out with Sargon of Akkad… Well, he left for lots of reasons… as he explains. “Save Me” by Aimee Mann. 1999. Courtesy of UMG. —————————————————————— Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Mind Elixir! Hack your brain by heading over to magicmind.co/incel and using promo code INCEL20 for a 40% discount on your first subscription to Magic Mind, or 20% off your one-time purchase. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/incel/support

Today's guest is a 39 year old incel from Norway. Many incels believe they'd have it worst in Scandinavian countries, that “sub-8 theory” reigns supreme in those places, because of their homogeneity and the financial security for women in the region. Are they right? —————————————————————— “i” by Kendrick Lamar (2015), courtesy of Universal Music Group/Aftermath.  —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/incel/support

Today we have a very special episode, possibly the final chapter in the trilogy of the Saga of Scorned Stoic, from whom we last heard in September of last year in Episode 63: Orders of Magnitude, when he was at something of a crisis point. As the title might suggest, a lot has changed in his life. Scorned explains. “Waves” by Marjorie Fair (2003). Courtesy of Universal Music Group. —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/incel/support

Today's episode is haute cuisine, the chef's special, a rare delicacy — well, hopefully, not too rare — with writer Katherine Dee (@default_friend), my content creation spirit animal. We've converged here thanks in no small part to a recent piece in the Atlantic entitled, What do Femcels Really Want? But we end up talking about all kinds of things, of course, from the class and geographic factors of the sexual marketplace, to hack journalism, to the odd allure of TikTok recipes, and much, much more. So buckle up for this extra special episode. “Sprout and the Bean” by Joanna Newsom (2004). Courtesy of Drag City Records. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Read Katherine's femcel piece (and check out her glorious substack) here: https://defaultfriend.substack.com/p/a-brain-dump-about-femcels-and-sex?s=r  —————————————————————— Please check out my all new Patreon for ad-free, uncensored episodes and weekly blogs! https://www.patreon.com/NaamaKates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: theincelproject@gmail.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/incel/support