Podcast appearances and mentions of margot robbie's barbie

Hi #Barbie! Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that's full of L- Leigh! E- Ellie! Z- Zeal! This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) finally get a chance to dish about the 4000 reasons why Greta Gerwig's hit 2023 film Barbie Should've Been Gay.  From the second she steps onto the screen in all of her pink glory, Margot Robbie's Barbie is giving gay. There were so many choices made for this film and every single one of them screams homosexual. The biggest choice being her glaringly obvious disinterest in any Ken ever. Not only does she not like-like any of the Kens, she doesn't even seem to register that they are interested in her! Barbie is so taken aback by Ken's desire to spend the night at her Dream House because they are “boyfriend/girlfriend” that she immediately spirals into an existential crisis that creates a rift in the fabric of the universe.  Everything from this moment on is Barbie's coming out journey as she awakens from the fog of heteronormativity. She is given a choice, to stay in the closet or to take the Birkenstock and have her eyes opened to the Real World. If you have a heterosexual explanation for this choice, we would honestly love to hear it. We follow Barbie's journey into the Real World where she encounters more disappointing men and narrowly escapes being put back into the closet (the Barbie Box) by Mattel with the help of Gloria. As soon as these two are onscreen together, it becomes impossible not to ship them. Let #Glorbie kiss, you cowards!  While Glorbie are off shining, Ken is making it literally the entire world's problem that the girl he likes doesn't like him back. This is somehow enough justification for him and the other Kens to brainwash all of the Barbies in Barbie Land, overthrow the all-women government, and steal every Dream House. It is a bit outrageous how much screen time Ken and other male characters are given in a movie called Barbie. Even at the end when the Barbies take Barbie Land back from the grips of the patriarchy, Ken still doesn't quite get it through his head that Barbie and him are not going to be a couple. Barbie on the other hand has never felt more clearly about who she is and who she no longer can pretend to be. She is simply too gay to go back to her old heteronormative life in Barbie Land; and she has to leave that world behind to embrace her new life with Gloria and their daughter.  We know one thing for sure, Barbie Should've Been Gay.  Follow us on the platform formerly known as Twitter: (@lezhangoutpod) and answer our Q & Gay questions at the end of every episode. You can also join us on Facebook.com/lezhangoutpod and Instagram (@lezhangoutpod). Find us individually on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok at Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida).  Time is running out to join Ellie and Leigh in Costa Rica this May for a queer wellness retreat. Don't let future-you suffer from fomo. Book a spot today at bit.ly/lezdocostarica and treat yourself to a once in a lifetime experience, new friendships, and some much deserved relaxation in a beautiful National Park.  You can support Lez Hang Out while unlocking a bunch of perks like access to our exclusive Discord community, monthly full length bonus episodes, weekly ad-free episodes, and more by joining us on Patreon at bit.ly/lezpatreon. You can also support the podcast by checking out our original merch at bit.ly/lezshop and purchasing our original Lez-ssentials songs for as little as $1 each on Bandcamp! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are rereleasing our most popular episode of 2023 - Greta Gerwig's BILLION DOLLAR HIT "Barbie." We analyze the film's smart, timely, and campy explorations of femininity and masculinity. We loved exploring Barbie's evolution through a developmental lens and decided that therapists are basically "weird Barbies" helping our patients grow into their most authentic selves. We loved the sprinkling in of so many dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) principles, and the tender moments depicting evolving mother-daughter relationships. Plus, we could watch Ryan Gosling beach all day. We loved this movie and hope you enjoy this episode! Instagram TikTok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Furey, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. [00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to another episode of a podcast hosted by Two Wise Trees. If you didn't catch that reference, we are obviously talking about the new Greta Gerwig film, Barbie. And that was a line in the film at one point, and I just chuckled. Know, we have a podcast now and we're covering it. And we went to the movies all for this. And it was just funny. [01:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And we are two trees basically rooted. [01:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Firmly into the ground. [01:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Secure. [01:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Secure. Stable. Nourishing. With our branches. [01:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Fruitful. [01:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Fruitful. Nice. With our branches just growing and blossoming into the sky where it takes us. I know it could have been a haiku. So anyway, we are really excited to talk about this film today. As it stands right now, we are filming or filming we are recording this episode in late July, and I checked the stats yesterday. Barbie has grossed already over $500 million worldwide. [01:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's incredible. [01:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Incredible. Especially because it's like double what Oppenheimer has grossed. We will also be covering that film a little later on. So that makes me really happy. Yeah, I was really excited when we went to the movies, Portia. And it was packed, packed, packed. Mostly women, but some men as well. And it was a matinee. We went at 01:00. And I just was like, see, Hollywood, you can make female driven material and you will still sell tickets. [02:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was so excited. There was a ton of people wearing pink. It was just so fun. And I felt connected to people in theater. [02:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, right? [02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which I feel like I've never well, I did when I saw the last Harry Potter. [02:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was going to say Harry Potter. [02:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was clapping, everyone dressed up. It was emotional. [02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was an experience. Right. And that's like the joy of going to the movies. And I think you had said to me that you hadn't seen a movie since before COVID and probably then two years before that. So long time. But totally, as you were saying that, it reminded me of when I would go see Harry Potter with my friends, like in high school and yeah, it was like a whole event. And this is totally what that felt like. We were a little bummed that there wasn't the Barbie box. [03:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think it's because we weren't. [03:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: In a major city. [03:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Or even just like a big mega theater, because I know some people who went in another part of our state and they did have the box, but it was like a big complex, like. [03:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Next to a mall, all that stuff. Yeah, well, it was still great. [03:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was bummed. Sorry. [03:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did bring a couple of my daughter's Barbie dolls, which was an interesting thing to be carrying around as an adult woman. We went to lunch beforehand and we had them and it was just interesting, I'll put it that way. Content. [03:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it was silly, but we were probably the youngest people at lunch by like 30 years. [03:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, at a minimum. And I was just curious what they. [04:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Were thinking 100%, because I don't think. [04:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was on their radar that Barbie was coming up. Although maybe, but I don't think so. And then here I am, just slept around with some Barbie dolls in my purse and we're trying to take pictures of them with our drinks. And I did feel weird. [04:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [04:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: But you tell me this is what content is and we're really trying, and you held them. [04:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, yeah, it's fine. I'm not holding them. [04:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: But they were cute. [04:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's funny. So, first impact of the movie, what did you immediately think? Leaving it, just feeling wise? [04:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, I think I was so excited for this movie because I had a feeling it wasn't going to be like Stereotypical Barbie, right. Just because Greta Gerwig was attached. And I had a feeling it was going to be really smart and kind of meta. And that was what I was hoping for, was it would be a commentary on the female experience. And I felt like they totally delivered. I just loved the opening. I loved all of it. But I really loved The Know, where they show all the little girls playing old fashioned dolls and playing mommy and all this stuff. And then all of a sudden there's this big Barbie in her swimsuit and they just start smashing the **** out of these baby dolls. And I just was like, all right, I'm going to like this movie right away. It caught. I just I don't know. I thought it was so campy and funny, but also really know. I cried at the end when Ruth and Stereotypical Barbie were talking and like, wanted to become human, and they were talking all about the complicated human experience. And she said the thing about mothers, stand still so their daughters can see how far they've come. That's when it got me. So I just felt everything and I want to see it again. I already want to see it again. [05:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought about it a lot after we left. [06:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Me too. [06:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I felt like all sorts of emotions, which I think was I wasn't expecting that. I thought it would be like touching, maybe, and silly. I thought I'd laugh and maybe cry. But I thought about it for the entire weekend. I do want to see it again and I was just really touched and really moved, thinking of different parts. I think that's also why I want to see it again, because I think I'll pick up on maybe some more things or some moments, some things that I didn't catch. [06:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Yeah. I mean, I am astounded by the writing and the dialogue and how it is just so I feel like just really spot on in exploring the female know, by going from Barbie world to the real world, then back to Barbie world and just the way it sort of touches on the idea of feminism. And I was really surprised that they did such a good job because I think Barbie is so polarizing and they sort of addressed it in a really direct way, but then also just addressed the complex human experience that comes from being a woman in today's world. And I just thought especially right now in the political climate with the overturning of Roe versus Wade, it's just so great, I guess, to have something in your face on the screen that the masses are consuming. Right. I just really loved, you know, this. [07:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Movie has been being worked on for years and so one of the things I thought was kind of funny was the Supreme Court justices all being female and then in real life, Supreme Court Justices making some decisions that would probably not happen in Barbie land. [07:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly. And just it was so the it was just so witty and humorous, but so spot on. And I just am always so impressed, know, writers, directors, actors can really do like I feel like that's really hard, but is like a really smart way of using a mature defense mechanism, humor, to explore really difficult, complex, gritty issues. Right. And so for them to be able to do that also in such a visually appealing, campy, fun way was just really smart. I feel like there will be college classes analyzing this movie. [08:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. That's a good so I noticed a little flavor of dialectical behavioral therapy in something that Greta Gerwig had said in an interview that she said about the movie. So I'm going to read it. I'm interested in how life is complicated and messy and that there is nothing that's either or either good or bad, but it's mostly both. It can be all these things at once. And I think that is a what you said before and kind of narrates the human experience. [09:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [09:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's like everything we feel, all these emotions, everyone will experience know, excitement. And it's like that was that end scene where she's like, you just have to feel and it's like everything it's so overwhelming, right. [09:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And also just so overwhelming to see stereotypical Barbie or Margot Robbie's character, right. Main Barbie, see that evolution, right. From feeling just good at the beginning. Like in Barbie. [09:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everything's perfect. [09:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Everything's perfect. And that's it. That's all, you know, to starting to realize something's off, like when her feet are flat, to becoming human and choosing that life. Right? Whereas initially, she wanted to go back to where things were just all good and everything was perfect. And then eventually she came to see, like, no, actually, I do want that richer experience. So as we were in the movie, I was jotting down some quotes because I'm a reporter, I guess you could say. And so some of these quotes that they said, I think, really speak to what you're saying. Portia when Margot Robbie said something like that felt achy but good. I think she was trying to describe crying and sadness. And at one point, she's and the release, the release of it, and she was I i just started crying. Like, first one tear came, then a whole lot came, I think, as people are trying to talk to her about what it's like to be human and she's really scared of change, I feel like, is everyone or just people with anxiety? [10:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think everyone is. [10:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think everyone. And then if you have an anxiety disorder that's probably a little higher or you might feel that a little more deeply, but at some point, someone says to her that's all life is, is change. And she says, that's terrifying. And I was like, whoa. [10:42] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [10:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was like but I just loved watching her evolution and becoming a human and that whole video montage of women and their children and just women over life. And I guess I was reading that comes from the casting crew. Those are all, like, home movies. How beautiful. [11:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I've watched that scene, obviously, I guess, Pirated online, like, multiple times where she's crying. [11:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have to emotionally prepare to rewatch it. [11:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So like you've mentioned before, when Margot Robbie stereotypical Barbie is in Barbie land, at the beginning, it's all very happy, right? Like, Good morning, Barbie. Morning, Barbie. [11:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Morning, Barbie. [11:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, you know, everyone's smiling. Everything is working perfectly. The outfits are immaculate and stunning, and I want them all in my you know, you see her kind of getting up for the day, getting ready, going, everything's falling into place. [11:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did love that there was, like, no water. There's nothing in her cup. It's just so funny. It's like she is the doll, right? And she's being played with. It's just, like, so funny. [11:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, that's so true. Because later we right. Like, the milk goes sour, and then when she's in the real world, the water goes all over and she's like. [11:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I'm not used to anything coming out of that yet. When she was talking to Will Ferrell as the CEO of Mattel, that was funny. Yeah. But what was your thought from the get go of seeing all the Barbies? [12:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It seemed really joyful and peaceful and like everyone's just saying what they think everyone's saying it in a kind way, but right when we see the scene in the Oval Office when somebody's complimenting someone else, they're not like, saying thank you or oh, no, that's not true. They're just saying, like, yeah, I worked hard, right. [12:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: When the Barbie won the Nobel Priest prize, she was like, I deserve this. I thought that was really interesting, too. There's a lot of diversity in the cast in terms of race, nationality, skin color, body type. Less so with body type, but it was there. I loved midge. I loved how they did pull in these random Barbies from the past that probably none of us have heard of but really did exist. And they were so funny. [12:54] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like midge, the pregnant Barbie, total tongue in cheek because they're like calling out themselves, which everyone who was on the film, including Will Ferrell, I think he was like, this looks like a great script, but Mattel's never going to let us do this, right? And they did, and it was so like, I think what a huge risk that paid off for Mattel to let them kind of be poked fun at. And ultimately, I think it really landed well for them. Right? [13:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I just thought that was totally and so we had like midge, the pregnant Barbie, and they were like, oh, she didn't sell well. [13:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Pregnant dolls are just weird. [13:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then we had Alan played by. [13:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Michael Stera, who just right. [13:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess it was like Ken's friend, who also didn't really sell well. But you see him just like popping in and out here and there and he's so funny. [13:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: There was a know, I think, hint maybe of that, like he could have been like a gay character. He also seemingly, at least throughout the film, it was very clear that he was like an ally to the Barbies. So I just thought that was clever. And I also just love his. I love Michael Cera. [14:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [14:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So funny. [14:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's so funny. [14:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then I thought another risk that they kind of called out, but again, it landed in a really good way, was weird Barbie. [14:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [14:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So, like, weird Barbie had been played with really know, haircut dyed, which I think everyone can relate to Barbie. [14:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was surprised there was only one weird Barbie and all these other normal Barbies, but again, I thought that was so funny and how they were able to start telling the story about how these Barbies are like being played with. There is this connection between Barbie land and the children playing with the Barbies in the real world. [14:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. And Kate McKinnon's. Hilarious. I love that she's always stuck in splits, which again, you do that with your just I don't know how they got that so right. Of course, because people played with Barbies who wrote the Barbie movie. But that was the stuff that I was just laughing at and then them, like, whispering, like, weird barbie, like, you don't want to be like her, but if you were down, you have to go see her. [14:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So then they were kind of mean. Right? So in Barbie land, it's all, like, kind of perfect, but very superficial. [15:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But if you're not perfect, then you're like othered. [15:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I feel like isn't that the major criticism of Barbie? Right, that she has this unattainable body type and makes little girls feel bad about themselves? Right? Right. And so that sort of is already touching on that in a really smart way. And then when Margot Robbie's Barbie, she loses her high heel feet, they become flat, and she starts falling, and everything's starting to go wrong and she doesn't like it, then she has to go see Weird Barbie. And here I feel like if we really zoom out and think about Margot Robbie's development in this film as being parallel to the psychological development from childhood to adulthood I feel like when she first goes to see Weird Barbie and is presented with the two shoes, the stiletto or the birkenstock, which I thought was hilarious I feel like that is Toddlerhood. It's like one or the other, right? She can't integrate both yet whereas at the very end, when she's fully actualized and a full mature human, she's wearing pink birkenstocks, right? So it's like, even just this silly but concrete way of depicting incorporating both elements into your personality as Weird Barbie is trying to tell her, like, no, you got to pick the birkenstock and go to the real world. I felt like it was like negotiating with a toddler, like, presenting them with a choice, but there's really not a yep. And I was just like, this is perfect. We see her as being in the all good land, having some negative feelings. I died laughing. When they're like, at the dance party, she's like, do you guys ever think about dying? And everyone stops and she's like, oh, just kidding. But she's starting to dance or something. Yeah, it was so perfect. And then she doesn't know what to do with these negative things, so she has to go to Weird Barbie, who's giving her this choice, but it's not really a choice. And then she's on this quest to the real world. And I was just like, oh, my God. This fascinating. [17:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's also why we can't ignore, right? Like, when things aren't going well, right? Ignore anxiety. You can't ignore poor family dynamics. You can't ignore a mood disorder brewing. Like, you have to kind of go see someone. I am Weird Barbie. You come see me. So are you. And we then sit in it with you. Sitting it with you. We go on this journey with you. It's so beautiful so that you can be well and then make a choice at the end that is authentic to you. Authentic. And then you are like, your best self, which means you experience all emotions. That doesn't mean that you're perfect and you're never sad. [17:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. Or that you never feel anxiety again, or you never feel sadness again. 100%. And even thinking about that portia the journey to the real world, how they have to go in the little car and then on a spaceship in the camper, she goes in all of her Barbie vehicles. I thought that was so cute. But also, if we're staying with this theme, that we are the Weird Barbie. As the Therapist Barbie, you do go on a journey, right, to try to become your most authentic self, your most well self. Which, again, doesn't mean you never have bad days or episodic episodes of difficult feelings and stuff like that. But you do kind of go on this journey. What did you think of Ken in Barbie land initially? [18:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So if the Barbies were one dimensional already in that land, like, the KENS are I don't even know, like zero one dimension, where are they? [18:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Where do they live? [18:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Where do they sleep at night? No one knows. [18:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: No one cares. [18:56] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No one knows. But I would say that I thought it was so funny how so much of what Barbie said impacted, you know, Ken number. Gosling. [19:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really? [19:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Really? It seems like, likes, loves I don't know, Barbie. [19:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's unclear. Is it genuine, or does he just feel like that's what his role to play? [19:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So she gives him some feedback, right? That's, like, positive. And he's like he lights right up. [19:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's like, really? Wow. [19:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: His whole day is made. His whole life is made. And then he tries to show off even more for her, which I think is also kind of like a real life thing. Sometimes we get a little over our heads trying to impress someone, like when. [19:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: They'Re at the dance scene, but then all the KENS come in and start dancing, and he feels really threatened. [19:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then the beach scene where he goes into the rock wave, and then all the Barbies come and they help him, and then he's fixed right away. [19:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Which, again, it's like Barbie land. [19:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You just snap their leg back into place, and they're know. Ken. Ken's were just like I was curious how they were going to fit in or how it was going to become more in depth or important to the story. It felt, like, really silly and just, again, kind of like flat, like no dimension, which I think is what Ken. [20:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Brings to the table in original Barbie land. Right? He's just the sidekick I loved when I mean Gosh, Ryan Gosling, like, playing this. Like, I think we all love Ryan Gosling all the time, no matter what. [20:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So listen to this. I heard on Hoda and Jenna, I was watching that yesterday, and they were kind of laughing because Ryan Gosling had initially, before the movie came out, gotten a lot of feedback for, like, you're too old to play. Not they were envisioning. [20:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're not like the hot guy anymore, right? [20:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Who played Austin Butler, who was Elvis Young. That guy. A guy who's in Euphoria who's like the hot guy, either of them. And it was funny because it was the first time that a guy had been called out publicly too old for a role. And how interesting is it in the movie Barbie? There's all these other themes. So anyway, though, they said, I think it landed really well, everyone who had said that was like, I was wrong and I think perfect. [21:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: I also think those young guys I don't think could do it. I feel like you have to have the life experience and be able to wrap your head around it in a different way, to have been able to perform the role the way Ryan Gosling did. Which, again, was like, perfect comedic timing, but, like you said, had all these elements of tenderness and insecurity and codependency that just shine through despite the again, like, how do they put this together. [21:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In such a perfect all he says is, hi, Barbie. But you can just see his urgency for her to pay attention to him and him trying to catch her eye and bolstering his chest, all of that. Yes, I think someone could attempt to do. But Ryan Gosling just nailed it on the head. [21:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And again, the comedic side, but also the tender, authentic, insecure side at the same just I was so impressed. And he's like, so handsome. So that never hurts to objectify him since women have been objectified for decades and centuries and will continue to be. But that is a really interesting point. I hadn't read about that. [22:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So he kind of goes along with her right, for the ride, which ironically, it was just interesting. If you're thinking he's codependent on her, of course he needs to go because he can't be alone in Barbieland without her. [22:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And I just have to address the scene where he wants to have a sleepover. He's like, well, boyfriend girlfriend, I should sleep over. And she's like, why? And then he's like, well, I don't know what we would do, actually. It's just so funny. And then I loved when she was like, but this is my dream house every night's girls night, so I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah. And then she goes into her dream house and they're all like, woohoo Barbie. And it's just like you get the sense it's like a sleepover every single night in Barbie land. And isn't there a part of you that would love yeah, right. [22:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And she does it in a way that it's like dismissing Ken, but it's kind and it's direct. And there's not all these millions of sorrys. And it's not mean. It's not like, no, I don't want you here. It's just like, I'm with my friends and I'm going to go now because this is my house, really firm. And I think when we see later in the movie. The Barbies are never mean cruel. Putting the KENS down intentionally. And then we see the KENS do that when Kendom comes to be that's a great point. [23:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. She's, like, turning him down in a direct, assertive, but kind not aggressive way. She's just, like, speaking her truth. But he does take it really hard and feels really dismissed and brushed aside. And that comes up later in Kendall. Right. So that's just sort of this interesting dynamic. Right away, I did feel like he was really codependent on her, like he didn't have his own identity outside of her. It was always, like, trying to rise up and be good enough for her or feel like her equal. And I just think that's so funny because Barbie is about Barbie and Ken's just like the I guess there's, like that was in all the marketing. And it's just really funny because we. [24:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: All know at least I did, like, a million Barbies. I think I maybe had one. [24:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe one ever. And I think maybe Ken had a little brother. I don't know. Then there's Alan. Who knew? Who knew? [24:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I would love to have Alan now. [24:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, me too. [24:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I wonder if there I know there's I'm sure tons of Barbie collectors. I have a lot of Barbies in boxes still. [24:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: You didn't bring them to the movies? [24:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, it'd be huge. I think I got one every year for Christmas. They're all, like, the anniversary ones. You did not take them out of the box. [24:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Big dresses. Yes. [24:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so I'm wondering who has the Allen one? Is anyone out there? [24:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I bet it's worth a lot. Like, right now, I had one of those, too, that I did take out and give to my daughter. [24:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, that's nice of you. [24:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [24:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I'd probably be able to do, like I don't know. [24:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess I'll have to make that decision. Yeah. It was like the Christmas Barbie, I guess, in your defense, the box broke, so it was already open. It's a much easier choice. [25:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But anyway, so when we get to the real world, which is where we all yes. [25:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, they see the billboard of Miss Universe and Margot Robbie's like, oh, look, the Supreme Court justice is just like all of that stuff was so funny to me. And then when she's, like, looking for somewhere safe to land, and she's like, oh, construction site. That's where I'll find the women. And I was just like, oh, no, here we go. Here we right. [25:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [25:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: And, like, right away, I wrote it down. They get there, and they're walking down. Where are they? [25:35] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Roller skating. Roller skating. [25:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the way they're able to bring in all the little Barbie props are so funny. And they're roller skating, and everyone's know Leering at Barbie, and she feel I feel ill at ease. And Ken goes, I feel admired, but not oggled. I was like, those two sentences speak to the difference of living in the world as a female versus living in the world as a white man, too. [26:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it's not right. It's not most of the time, overt. So I think that's where a lot of people who don't experience this have a harder time understanding, well, they didn't come up to you and slap your behind. It's like but you can feel people oggling you in an icky way. [26:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [26:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And, yes, you could be like, yeah, of course this didn't happen directly to me. It wasn't over. But there's so much covert ickiness out there, and I think that that's what that moment really, for me encapsulated, because Ken just felt right, like, good and finally was yeah, exactly. [26:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: She had started feeling, like, some complicated feelings in Barbie land, and now that just continues. And then there's like, what I'm sure will become the famous lines about the genitals, where she's just like, we have no genitals. [27:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But why did she think to say that? Right? [27:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Probably to disarm these oggling men, but she knew, push them away. [27:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I'm taking leaps here, but as this doll knew right away that that's what was being looked at, leared at, thought of. [27:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: So then eventually, we see Barbie finally ends up at the school where Sasha, played by Ariana Greenblatt, is sort of having lunch with her friends. And leading up to that, we started to see some flashes of Sasha playing with her Barbies over the years. Right. And I think that was what weird barbie was trying to tell her is like, you have to go find this little girl and make it right. This little girl, the reason you're feeling these things is because that's what the child who's playing with you is feeling, and you have to go and make it right and come back to Barbie Lamb, put it all back to how it was. So she comes up to her at school, which I thought, first of all, there's going to be, like, a security guard, a metal detector, hopefully, at school these days, we can imagine this woman dressed like a pink cowgirl, barbie. Just like, walking up to you and Sasha being like, who is this woman with a delusional disorder that she's Barbie. Right? And Barbie just goes off into this monologue and, like, slings it right back at her and I think really delivers all the criticisms of Barbie through the years very quickly, in a succinct way. Right. And then we see, like, react to it and be like, what we didn't fix like I thought we did. I thought we showed women you could be whatever you want. You don't just have to be a mother and a wife, but if you want to do that, that's fine. But you can be a doctor, you can be a lawyer, you can get the Nobel Peace Prize, you can be a teacher, and then you're kind of huh. You're right. Yeah. [28:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then Barbie starts to. Continue to be more and more emotional, right? Starts to cry, leaking, which made me think of, like, the grinch. [28:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: What is um and then she's really upset. And during all of this, Ken is discovering the patriarchy at the school library, gets books on horses, and he sees all these men. He's, like, imitating their arm gestures and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, my God, this is hilarious. But I see where this is going, and this is perfect. And he's just discovering this whole new world where men rule. And he goes in, right, to all these different places of work. I was obviously struck when he's talking to the female doctor and is like, I need to do a surgery. Give me the tools. And she's like, you didn't go to medical school. You can't do that. And he's like, Show me the real doctor. Let me talk to the boss. And she's like, I'm the boss. And he just walks by her. And I was like, security. But oh, my God. Portia I'm sure you can imagine as a female physician, all the times you just get assumed you're not the doctor. And any man walking know, people look at with this reverence and authority automatically just because they're a man. It just spoke to that so perfectly. [30:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I bet. [30:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then he's like, going into the office building, and I want a high. [30:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Paying position of power. [30:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the guy's like, well, you don't have an MBA. You don't have a degree. We can't just give you that. And he's like, I thought this is the patriarchy. And he's like, well, yeah, but we just have to do it a little more fly these days. [30:25] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought that was funny. [30:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. And so then eventually we find that Mattel gets word that Barbie escaped, right? And then things are like, up in arms, and it turns out the other main character, America Ferrari's character, who's the mom, Gloria in the film. This is where we meet her. What did you think about her character? [30:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked it. I didn't know where it was going at first. For some reason, I thought she was like a Barbie creator because she was drawing the sketches. It seems like maybe she was in more like of a secretarial position. And then we find out that she's the one who's connected to stereotypical Barbie memories. And then I loved that it kind of was showing us that scene again, all from her perspective. So now she's in it again. [31:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought that was really sweet, and. [31:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It was sad because of her emotions, but it just spoke to the transitions of motherhood, I would imagine, right? From having a newborn where you're their lifeline continuing all the way up to an adolescent who's kind of pushing back and having more autonomy and pushing you away and rejecting you. [31:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. That was really beautiful. And then we come to find that there's this parallel process going on between her existential crisis, raising an adolescent, and sort of trying to figure out who she is and where does she fit in now, and Barbie's existential crisis and that they're actually the ones that are connected. And it's almost like Barbie's starting to feel all the emotions the mom's feeling, and I guess kind of weird for, like, an adult woman to start playing with Barbies again, but makes sense for, I guess, the plot of the film. [32:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, no, that's true, actually. [32:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe that's kind of like me bringing Barbies to lunch and not really, but. [32:08] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think she said that she was cleaning out the basement or something, and she found some and she kept it donated or throw it away. [32:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. And she's the one who's been drawing, like, Deaths Barbie, right. Like, what did she call it? Irresistible thoughts of death. Cellulite. Barbie depressed thoughts of cellulite. [32:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which was interesting, which we didn't comment on, which was part of Weird Barbie's. [32:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [32:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, push. He's like, well, if you choose the birkenstock and you fix this, you won't have cellulite. [32:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And it's like, okay, fine. Now I'll go which, again, I think is a tongue in cheek sort of reference to Barbie's, like, perfect body and how that's so important to Barbie. Right. [33:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So then Mattel is really upset that Barbie is in the real world. So why do you think that? Is? It because you do you think that Mattel, besides the obvious ways that they're being nefarious, is nefarious with kind of, like, the patriarchy? Did you get that vibe? I did, a little bit, 100%. [33:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: I mean, they're all men, like, on the board, right? The only woman we see is Gloria, who does seem like a secretary. She's kept out of the big, important meetings that only the men can go to. I think when Barbie finally gets there, she's like, where's your boss? Let me meet her. Where is she? I can't wait to meet her. And they're like, well, I'm the boss. And I think they say, like, well, we did have one CEO, I think, like, a long time ago. Right. I loved that scene where she's like, well, who does the money? Me? [33:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: This man? [33:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: And all of it is run by men. I, first of all, love Will Ferrell more than anything in the world, so anything he's in, I love it. And I thought he did a really good job. It's really funny, but yeah, they really wanted Barbie back in her box. I feel like that is just, again, not wanting Barbie to be more complicated than they want to see her and. [34:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In control of her. [34:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: They want to be in control of her. And I do think one interesting sort of criticism I've been reading about this movie is, if you think about it right, like, yes, it's doing great in the box office. Lots of themes about feminism and the female experience. Again, still from a white woman's perspective, which I think it's important to acknowledge. And at the same time, Mattel is making so much money from doing this. They have all these other movies in development, like one about polypocket that's going to be directed by Lena Dunham, I. [34:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Think, with Lily Collins. [34:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yep. And so they have a ton of things in development that I'm sure are going to move ahead now that this was so successful. And there's been some criticisms, like, okay, so Mattel is this huge corporate giant, right? Like, how many female filmmakers have been trying to push forward stories and movies and ideas about the female experience, but no one wanted to listen until there's this big corporate company that's made all this money from a doll who's a stereotypical female, right. Only now we can listen to women and learn about the female experience. I don't know. I just think it's an interesting thing to think about, and I feel like it is a valid criticism. But then you kind of see that tension here. So I kind of agree with you, Portia, that I felt like the film as a whole did a good job addressing the tension about this Uber. Maybe not Uber, but this film really touching on difficult topics about feminism, using Barbie. But again, that's like, the whole point. [35:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think it would have flopped if. [35:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Was. [35:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Shown in a good, positive light in the you know, and I think one of the reasons that it's, like, based on what you're saying is because the movie, in an unironic way, slams Mattel. But I'm curious now. Okay, show me your board, Mattel. [36:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. That's what I mean, right? It's like, is this are you the same board that we're seeing in the how exactly how much is art imitating life? Like, what is Mattel doing behind the scenes? What have they not I don't know. That's not common. Just but again, it raises a lot of interesting questions. [36:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I got anxious when she was standing. She was like, happy to go back. [36:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: In the put those little plastic ties. [36:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: She goes in the box. And again, those were so funny because that's how your Barbie comes, right? And they start twisting them, and it's getting tighter. See her hands? And she's like, something about this doesn't feel good anymore. [36:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Good for ghetto. Ghetto good for you. Like staying in touch with your inner. [37:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Authentic feelings Barbie and picking up on which is a female experience because of our life experiences. Having that third eye, right? Like being a woman. And something about that table over there is giving me weird vibes. Or having to cover your drink or having your key in your hand when you're walking to your car. It's like she started having zero ever experienced that in Barbieland to pick up on that. And I quickly that's just how I interpreted that scene. [37:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I totally agree. And that she had the confidence to listen to that and not I think maybe because she came from Barbie land, where you are just confident and you're not apologizing for your feelings. They just are what they are. She didn't start invalidating herself, which I think a lot of women are socially conditioned to do. Right? Like, you might feel something's off, but then you're like, oh, I'm just being sensitive, or, that can't be. There's something wrong with me, when it's like, no, you're picking up on something accurate in your environment. So then she escapes and hijinks ensue and her and Gloria and Sasha go back to Barbie land and what do they see? Ken has already returned and taken over. The patriarchy is flying high. [38:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Horses are everywhere. [38:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: I love that they put TVs in every room of Barbie land with horses on them. And then this is like, oh, no, Barbie land is turned into the real world. Like, all the Barbies are being objectified and wearing really tight clothes and serving the men and brainwashed almost. Right. And it happened so quickly. And we see Barbie and Gloria and Sasha just like, dumbfounded. Right? And what did you think about Kendom? [38:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was really in a silly way, like really know, like the TVs and just like their interest being so stereotypically, like know. Let's also say that there's many men who are wonderful and allies and not objectifying women and so on and so forth. [39:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like Alan. [39:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like Alan, but in the real world. But this was just like such a silly way of calling it out. [39:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [39:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I loved the horses being the yes, but like and it wasn't like it could have been Ken's, and that would have been the same thing, right? Like, they replaced the Barbie, so it was like horses. It was like really and the hummers and everything's tricked out and lifted and so big. Yeah. [39:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: And they got a mini fridge full of their snacks and they got the saloon doors. It was just so funny and over the top. But you just see how he just starts to really relate to Barbie in this icky way. And interestingly. I felt like he was still so co dependent on her, but now it was like the roles are reversed. Right. Like before, in original Barbie land, he just wanted her approval to feel good enough, and now he has to put her down to feel good enough. So it's still kind of the same dynamic, just like two different sides of the same coin. [40:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And commenting on, I think, right. That idea of, oh, he's mean to. [40:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: You because he likes you. [40:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. So it's like we even see that when she's faking to go to the beach and have him play the guitar for her and he walks away. [40:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [40:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: He's like, oh, maybe, or you're my what does he call her? You're my part time sometimes there whatever. [40:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're my friend. Yes. And then you're like my long term low commitment girlfriend. [40:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Low commitment. But he is excited, right? He goes away and he's like sublime. And that does happen even with, I think between both. Men can do it to women, women can do it to men, so on and so forth. Everyone does it to each other. It's like little games. It's like the gamey thing with dating, right? Like, I'm not going to text you for three days, which just it's hard because if someone's playing the game, it's hard to not but I think just no one should play the game. If you really like someone, text them when you get home. I had a great time, let's go out again. If you don't say, I think you. [41:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Had a great time, but let's stay friends or something. And in that way, in original Barbie land, communication was more direct and innocent. And now things are getting all warped and topsy turvy, and then they decide they have to get all these Barbies back. And I was a little disappointed that it did involve, again, using themselves as sexual objects to kind of distract the KENS to turn them all against each other. I don't know what was your thoughts about that? [41:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Definitely was like, icky. I wish there'd been a different right? [41:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [41:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Why did they choose that way? Is it commenting on that? That's like currency, right? We talked about white lotus last week, and sex is currency. And that's where in now Kendom, like Barbie, you do have power. And we see that in the real world of but like, I'm wondering if it was intentionally supposed to be cringy, right? [42:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, if it's like yeah, in the real world, that is your only power. Now Barbie is to use your body and your sexual power to distract them in order to have the vote and turn it back to Barbie land. That was the part I was like, oh, I wish they'd been able to get it back some other way. [42:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [42:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I did love when they're all strumming their little guitars and I don't know the song that they picked. [42:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I did. [42:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I recognize it, but I don't know. [42:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The name of it. [42:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know who sings it, but it was like, I want to push you around. And it's like aggressive if you think about, like, a man singing that to a woman. Right. [42:40] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's not like a romantic song. [42:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's aggressive. [42:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Don't do that. [42:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: But perfect for Kendom and all the horses. [42:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So all the Barbies seem to be brainwashed and they get pulled out of it through Gloria, right. So Gloria has this monologue that she talks about, which I think resonated with a lot of people. We heard some, like, woohoo in the theater. [43:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sure. [43:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So I thought that was nice. I did really like and we kind of made eye contact when she was talking about body image, and I really, really liked that because before right. They were kind of like I think, again, just pointing out not aging and not having cellulite before. And that's why kind of Barbie Land was like, oh, there's old people in the real world. What is you know, the woman then is like, you're beautiful. And she's like, I know. [43:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I really like woman at the bus stop. [43:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So one of the lines is you have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but you also have to be thin. It's just impossible thinking of every single person, really. Especially, I think, for women, the expectations of your body in the real world is just so hard to live with and so challenging. [43:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [43:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And the messages come early from Barbie, right? [43:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [43:59] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And from TV and everything that's around you and from even parenting. [44:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [44:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, a lot of if your parents are making comments about their bodies, even if they would never know their kids, it's all such a message that I think it's right. Like, you can't be too thin, but you can't be too fat and you can't talk about your weight if someone compliments you. [44:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [44:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I'm fat and I'm feeling so bad about myself. You're fishing for those. No, you're fine. I think we could have explored that in a whole movie of its it. [44:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: You know, it was necessary given, like you said, the criticisms about Barbie and her unattainable body type all along. And I was glad they didn't shy away from that. I was also glad in that monologue, which was so moving, that they also drew comparisons to just the female emotional experience. [44:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [44:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, that is a female experience. You can't be to this or to that. You have to just be this version of a woman. And it's just an impossible standard. And why can't you just be angry or be sad or be anxious or be happy or be confident? Like you said in original Barbie Land, no one's apologizing and then they start to and I just feel like that so speaks to what it's like to be a woman. And it's annoying. [45:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked you're supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you're supposed to because of sisterhood. You're supposed to always stand out and always be grateful. It's impossible just going back and forth. But I think too, I just watched the documentary on Amazon. It came out a little while ago about the family that used to have a show, 18 kids and counting, or 20 kids and counting. And it's a lot of kids they talk a lot about, just like in a lot of religious organizations. Right. You have to be careful of your dress code so that you are not tempting men. [45:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I think that's even like in public school. [45:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, yeah, the straps and the shorts length, all that stuff. And it's just like, it's not our responsibility to make men feel like they don't want to sexual assault someone or keep your thoughts to yourself. We all we all should also they. [46:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Should also learn how to manage those feelings. Right. It's okay, right? And girls are going to have those feelings about boys or other girls, too. [46:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, you can think, wow, that person is attractive, and move on. And then if you feel bad about that, take that up with your God and be sorry for it. But it's not your fault. It's not that person's fault that you found them attractive. [46:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [46:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Anyway, back to Barbie. [46:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, I mean, I feel though I think we touched a little bit about this when we were covering you, which is like, all roads lead back to you because that's such a good show. But when we were talking about stalking and sexual harassment, oftentimes when women finally do seek help, they're often shamed or told, like, well, you kind of asked for it. Or I remember when I was in college, I had, I guess, a stalker. It was kind of weird. And I went to the student police, and their only advice was, when you go to class where that boy is in your class, you should wear really baggy clothes and don't wear makeup. And that was it. That was the advice to keep me safe. It wasn't like, oh, yeah, we should take this one out of your class. We should maybe move him to a different dorm, anything like that. It was like, you need to change your appearance. And so I think that perfectly speaks to what you're saying. [47:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And again, it's just not that hard. We talked about consent in American Pie, that episode, and it's just really not that hard of an idea to come around. Someone might be into you at one point, and guess what? They might not be into you in another. And, like, you have to deal with that. [47:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I loved that. With Barbie, it finally know as we come to the end of Know, the Barbies vote in Congress because they've distracted the boys and they get Barbie land back. But then at the end, Margot, Robbie's character wants to be human. She wants more than just Barbie. She wants to feel all those human experiences. She doesn't want to leave Gloria and Sasha. And she talks to the creator of Barbie, played by Ree Pearlman, who was just like, it was so sweet to hear her talk about and I loved how she was like, yeah, they had some tax evasion issues, but that's another movie. But just saying, like, are you sure you want to be human? Are you sure? And then it comes out when she tells Ken, I don't love you. I don't like you. You're a great person, but I don't feel that way toward you. And they could have an honest conversation about how he felt kind of rejected and dismissed and stuff like that, which was, I thought, great for a man character to be able to say right. To be honest about that in a direct, also respectful way, rather than the way he was treating her in Kendom, which was, like, icky and passive aggressive. [48:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And demeaning and I think really contradicts the kind of general critique of a lot of people that I'm irritated with on the Internet, saying that Barbie is demasculating. And I think the end really does the opposite of that. Right. [49:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: If you have an open mind. Right. [49:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, to me, it's really clear she's apologizing for him feeling dismissed. So it's like, I see that we were maybe treating you like you felt like you didn't matter and like, you do, and I don't love you. [49:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's okay. And both can be true. [49:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I understand that people have a hard time opening their mind to different things, but just to me, it's like that scene contradicts their criticism of so, like, did you stay for the whole movie? [49:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And also, I think it depends on your definition of masculinity, which, again, this film isn't only sort of addressing feminism and the female experience, although I feel like that's the main point, which is, you know, Ryan Gosling's depiction of Ken really touches on the themes of masculinity so well. And I feel like at the end, he comes to find that he can be sensitive and have those types of feelings and express them directly to someone who will listen and validate. Right. He doesn't have to be like a macho man like he was in Kendom. He can just be himself. And maybe he doesn't want his job to be beach. Okay? [50:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Maybe he wants to ride horses. [50:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe. And that's what he says. He's like, I just really like the horses. But in that way, I think that is isn't that also part of masculinity? Can't our boys be sensitive and sweet and not feel like you have to lose all of that to be a man in today's society? I feel like that's another issue these days that they did touch on, I thought, in a really thoughtful way. [50:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. Yeah. [50:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: And so at the end, Barbie chooses to become human, right. She assumes the name of the original creator of Barbie's daughter, which I thought was sweet. We see her get out of the car in her pink birkenstock, so she is fully, actualized, holding on to good and bad, conflicting all the parts of herself. All the parts of herself. It's so great. And we see her going in to sign in for something. What did you think she was going? [51:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was a job interview. [51:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought it was a driver's license. [51:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Okay. [51:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was the gynecologist. And I could not, because she now has a ******, an agency, an autonomy. And I was just like, perfect ending. I just died. [51:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so unexpected that I think laughs you're like, what? I'm so funny. [51:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: So funny, but perfect. She was so happy to be there, right? And again, I just think in today's political climate, great job, Greta Gerwig. [51:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And everyone like, I am getting my womanhood taken care. [51:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So any final thoughts, Portia? As we wrap up this episode a. [52:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Little bit, I just wanted to comment on the Depression Barbie commercial. [52:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: How did we forget about depression, Barbie? [52:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So many people on the Internet were like, why did they call me out? So we see. You know, loose terms on the Internet were binging on sweets. It wasn't really binging. It was eating sweets. [52:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: It said an entire family sized starburst. [52:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yep. And then watching reruns of BBC's Pride and Prejudice, and she was like, scrolling. [52:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: Instagram, looking at her estranged BFF's engagement photos. It was so funny. And then they were like, anxiety OCD and panic attack. [52:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Barbie sold separately. [52:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, that was funny. I loved it. And then Gloria finally at the end pitching to Mattel, like, what about just, like, average, like and then again, there's another beautiful monologue by American Ferrara about just, like, the experience of a woman. And I feel like that is she was, like, describing her own experience in a way. And again, Mattel was smart when at first they were like, oh, I don't know if that's going to go well. And then the finance guy's like, those sales will be huge. And they were like, okay, yeah. And I felt like that just also signified. Like, there's still a lot of room to go. We still have a lot of road to cover. But overall, I really loved it. [53:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It gives you a lot to think about. [53:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [53:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And take what you want from it. I think there's a lot of funny themes, and I think it's worth seeing more than once over time. And I'm excited to see it again. I mean, I'm wondering maybe there'll be more tears because I'm already primed, but we'll see. [53:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was so good. Well, thank you for joining us for another episode of Analyze Scripts. Please rate review and subscribe and share with your friends if you're enjoying our content. I did carry around two Barbies as a middle aged woman, so please make it worth it. Make it worth it. You can find us on Instagram at Analyze Scripts and on TikTok and Analyze Scripts podcast and on threads at Analyze Scripts podcast. And we will see you next Monday. Yep. [54:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Bye bye. [54:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of Analyzed Scripts. All rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited. Unless you want to share it with your friends and rate, review and subscribe, that's fine. All stories and characters discussed are fictional in nature. No identification with actual persons, living or deceased places, buildings, or products is intended or should be inferred. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. The podcast and its contents do not constitute professional mental health or medical advice. Listeners might consider consulting a mental health provider if they need assistance with any mental health problems or concerns. 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Jennifer White is a choreographer who occupies a unique sweet spot between RAD ballet, contemporary dance, Kylie and the year's hottest movie: she is the choreographer of Barbie. Greta Gerwig's film includes delirious dance sequences led by Margot Robbie's Barbie and Ryan Gosling as Ken. Those scenes chart the film's trajectory – in Barbie, dance really does matter. Jennifer has also choreographed films like the eerie Last Night in Soho, and worked with leading names in both pop and contemporary dance. And the young Jennifer did RAD ballet: so is Barbie herself RAD-trained? Jennifer White is a London-based movement director, performer and choreographer. She graduated from Rambert School of Ballet and Contemporary Dance. In 2006 she was nominated for the Critics' Circle National Dance Awards for Emerging Artist, and in 2007, was highlighted as a breakthrough artist in The Observer's Hot List. She has toured internationally with Hofesh Shechter, Russell Maliphant, Ballet Boyz and Kylie Minogue, and has choreographed and performed for Adele and Basement Jaxx. She choreographed for Marvel Comic's ‘Avengers – Age of Ultron', where she also coached and was movement double for Elizabeth Olsen, and for Last Night in Soho. She has worked extensively with choreographer Sidi Larbi Cherkaoui. She choreographed Barbie.Find out more about the work of the RADFollow the RAD on social media and join the conversation with host David Jays:Instagram @royalacademyofdanceFacebook @RoyalAcademyofDanceTwitter @RADheadquartersYouTube / royalacademydanceDavid Jays @mrdavidjaysSign up to our mailing list to keep in touch!RAD is an independent educational charity and does not receive regular government funding. Every penny we make goes back into the work we do. You can support us by either naming a seat as part of our Name A Seat Campaign or making a donation.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This Barbie's job is Podcast, so we recorded a podcast episode on Dua Lipa's original song “Dance The Night” from Barbie (2023)! Join us as we discuss the history of Dula Peep, praise the Nu-Disco craze, and mispronounce “Margot Robbie's Barbie”.Support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/thesongwillgoonNeed more The Song Will Go On in your life? Follow us @thesongwillgoon on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok, and check out www.thesongwillgoon.com.

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are thrilled to analyze Greta Gerwig's BILLION DOLLAR HIT "Barbie." We analyze the film's smart, timely, and campy explorations of femininity and masculinity. We loved exploring Barbie's evolution through a developmental lens and decided that therapists are basically "weird Barbies" helping our patients grow into their most authentic selves. We loved the sprinkling in of so many dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) principles, and the tender moments depicting evolving mother-daughter relationships. Plus, we could watch Ryan Gosling beach all day. We loved this movie and hope you enjoy this episode! Instagram TikTok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Furey, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. [00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to another episode of a podcast hosted by Two Wise Trees. If you didn't catch that reference, we are obviously talking about the new Greta Gerwig film, Barbie. And that was a line in the film at one point, and I just chuckled. Know, we have a podcast now and we're covering it. And we went to the movies all for this. And it was just funny. [01:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And we are two trees basically rooted. [01:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Firmly into the ground. [01:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Secure. [01:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Secure. Stable. Nourishing. With our branches. [01:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Fruitful. [01:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Fruitful. Nice. With our branches just growing and blossoming into the sky where it takes us. I know it could have been a haiku. So anyway, we are really excited to talk about this film today. As it stands right now, we are filming or filming we are recording this episode in late July, and I checked the stats yesterday. Barbie has grossed already over $500 million worldwide. [01:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's incredible. [01:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Incredible. Especially because it's like double what Oppenheimer has grossed. We will also be covering that film a little later on. So that makes me really happy. Yeah, I was really excited when we went to the movies, Portia. And it was packed, packed, packed. Mostly women, but some men as well. And it was a matinee. We went at 01:00. And I just was like, see, Hollywood, you can make female driven material and you will still sell tickets. [02:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was so excited. There was a ton of people wearing pink. It was just so fun. And I felt connected to people in theater. [02:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, right? [02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which I feel like I've never well, I did when I saw the last Harry Potter. [02:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was going to say Harry Potter. [02:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was clapping, everyone dressed up. It was emotional. [02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was an experience. Right. And that's like the joy of going to the movies. And I think you had said to me that you hadn't seen a movie since before COVID and probably then two years before that. So long time. But totally, as you were saying that, it reminded me of when I would go see Harry Potter with my friends, like in high school and yeah, it was like a whole event. And this is totally what that felt like. We were a little bummed that there wasn't the Barbie box. [03:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think it's because we weren't. [03:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: In a major city. [03:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Or even just like a big mega theater, because I know some people who went in another part of our state and they did have the box, but it was like a big complex, like. [03:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Next to a mall, all that stuff. Yeah, well, it was still great. [03:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was bummed. Sorry. [03:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did bring a couple of my daughter's Barbie dolls, which was an interesting thing to be carrying around as an adult woman. We went to lunch beforehand and we had them and it was just interesting, I'll put it that way. Content. [03:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it was silly, but we were probably the youngest people at lunch by like 30 years. [03:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, at a minimum. And I was just curious what they. [04:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Were thinking 100%, because I don't think. [04:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was on their radar that Barbie was coming up. Although maybe, but I don't think so. And then here I am, just slept around with some Barbie dolls in my purse and we're trying to take pictures of them with our drinks. And I did feel weird. [04:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [04:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: But you tell me this is what content is and we're really trying, and you held them. [04:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, yeah, it's fine. I'm not holding them. [04:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: But they were cute. [04:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's funny. So, first impact of the movie, what did you immediately think? Leaving it, just feeling wise? [04:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, I think I was so excited for this movie because I had a feeling it wasn't going to be like Stereotypical Barbie, right. Just because Greta Gerwig was attached. And I had a feeling it was going to be really smart and kind of meta. And that was what I was hoping for, was it would be a commentary on the female experience. And I felt like they totally delivered. I just loved the opening. I loved all of it. But I really loved The Know, where they show all the little girls playing old fashioned dolls and playing mommy and all this stuff. And then all of a sudden there's this big Barbie in her swimsuit and they just start smashing the **** out of these baby dolls. And I just was like, all right, I'm going to like this movie right away. It caught. I just I don't know. I thought it was so campy and funny, but also really know. I cried at the end when Ruth and Stereotypical Barbie were talking and like, wanted to become human, and they were talking all about the complicated human experience. And she said the thing about mothers, stand still so their daughters can see how far they've come. That's when it got me. So I just felt everything and I want to see it again. I already want to see it again. [05:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought about it a lot after we left. [06:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Me too. [06:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I felt like all sorts of emotions, which I think was I wasn't expecting that. I thought it would be like touching, maybe, and silly. I thought I'd laugh and maybe cry. But I thought about it for the entire weekend. I do want to see it again and I was just really touched and really moved, thinking of different parts. I think that's also why I want to see it again, because I think I'll pick up on maybe some more things or some moments, some things that I didn't catch. [06:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Yeah. I mean, I am astounded by the writing and the dialogue and how it is just so I feel like just really spot on in exploring the female know, by going from Barbie world to the real world, then back to Barbie world and just the way it sort of touches on the idea of feminism. And I was really surprised that they did such a good job because I think Barbie is so polarizing and they sort of addressed it in a really direct way, but then also just addressed the complex human experience that comes from being a woman in today's world. And I just thought especially right now in the political climate with the overturning of Roe versus Wade, it's just so great, I guess, to have something in your face on the screen that the masses are consuming. Right. I just really loved, you know, this. [07:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Movie has been being worked on for years and so one of the things I thought was kind of funny was the Supreme Court justices all being female and then in real life, Supreme Court Justices making some decisions that would probably not happen in Barbie land. [07:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly. And just it was so the it was just so witty and humorous, but so spot on. And I just am always so impressed, know, writers, directors, actors can really do like I feel like that's really hard, but is like a really smart way of using a mature defense mechanism, humor, to explore really difficult, complex, gritty issues. Right. And so for them to be able to do that also in such a visually appealing, campy, fun way was just really smart. I feel like there will be college classes analyzing this movie. [08:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. That's a good so I noticed a little flavor of dialectical behavioral therapy in something that Greta Gerwig had said in an interview that she said about the movie. So I'm going to read it. I'm interested in how life is complicated and messy and that there is nothing that's either or either good or bad, but it's mostly both. It can be all these things at once. And I think that is a what you said before and kind of narrates the human experience. [09:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [09:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's like everything we feel, all these emotions, everyone will experience know, excitement. And it's like that was that end scene where she's like, you just have to feel and it's like everything it's so overwhelming, right. [09:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And also just so overwhelming to see stereotypical Barbie or Margot Robbie's character, right. Main Barbie, see that evolution, right. From feeling just good at the beginning. Like in Barbie. [09:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everything's perfect. [09:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Everything's perfect. And that's it. That's all, you know, to starting to realize something's off, like when her feet are flat, to becoming human and choosing that life. Right? Whereas initially, she wanted to go back to where things were just all good and everything was perfect. And then eventually she came to see, like, no, actually, I do want that richer experience. So as we were in the movie, I was jotting down some quotes because I'm a reporter, I guess you could say. And so some of these quotes that they said, I think, really speak to what you're saying. Portia when Margot Robbie said something like that felt achy but good. I think she was trying to describe crying and sadness. And at one point, she's and the release, the release of it, and she was I i just started crying. Like, first one tear came, then a whole lot came, I think, as people are trying to talk to her about what it's like to be human and she's really scared of change, I feel like, is everyone or just people with anxiety? [10:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think everyone is. [10:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think everyone. And then if you have an anxiety disorder that's probably a little higher or you might feel that a little more deeply, but at some point, someone says to her that's all life is, is change. And she says, that's terrifying. And I was like, whoa. [10:42] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [10:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was like but I just loved watching her evolution and becoming a human and that whole video montage of women and their children and just women over life. And I guess I was reading that comes from the casting crew. Those are all, like, home movies. How beautiful. [11:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I've watched that scene, obviously, I guess, Pirated online, like, multiple times where she's crying. [11:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have to emotionally prepare to rewatch it. [11:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So like you've mentioned before, when Margot Robbie stereotypical Barbie is in Barbie land, at the beginning, it's all very happy, right? Like, Good morning, Barbie. Morning, Barbie. [11:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Morning, Barbie. [11:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, you know, everyone's smiling. Everything is working perfectly. The outfits are immaculate and stunning, and I want them all in my you know, you see her kind of getting up for the day, getting ready, going, everything's falling into place. [11:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did love that there was, like, no water. There's nothing in her cup. It's just so funny. It's like she is the doll, right? And she's being played with. It's just, like, so funny. [11:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, that's so true. Because later we right. Like, the milk goes sour, and then when she's in the real world, the water goes all over and she's like. [11:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I'm not used to anything coming out of that yet. When she was talking to Will Ferrell as the CEO of Mattel, that was funny. Yeah. But what was your thought from the get go of seeing all the Barbies? [12:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It seemed really joyful and peaceful and like everyone's just saying what they think everyone's saying it in a kind way, but right when we see the scene in the Oval Office when somebody's complimenting someone else, they're not like, saying thank you or oh, no, that's not true. They're just saying, like, yeah, I worked hard, right. [12:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: When the Barbie won the Nobel Priest prize, she was like, I deserve this. I thought that was really interesting, too. There's a lot of diversity in the cast in terms of race, nationality, skin color, body type. Less so with body type, but it was there. I loved midge. I loved how they did pull in these random Barbies from the past that probably none of us have heard of but really did exist. And they were so funny. [12:54] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like midge, the pregnant Barbie, total tongue in cheek because they're like calling out themselves, which everyone who was on the film, including Will Ferrell, I think he was like, this looks like a great script, but Mattel's never going to let us do this, right? And they did, and it was so like, I think what a huge risk that paid off for Mattel to let them kind of be poked fun at. And ultimately, I think it really landed well for them. Right? [13:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I just thought that was totally and so we had like midge, the pregnant Barbie, and they were like, oh, she didn't sell well. [13:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Pregnant dolls are just weird. [13:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then we had Alan played by. [13:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Michael Stera, who just right. [13:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess it was like Ken's friend, who also didn't really sell well. But you see him just like popping in and out here and there and he's so funny. [13:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: There was a know, I think, hint maybe of that, like he could have been like a gay character. He also seemingly, at least throughout the film, it was very clear that he was like an ally to the Barbies. So I just thought that was clever. And I also just love his. I love Michael Cera. [14:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [14:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So funny. [14:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's so funny. [14:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then I thought another risk that they kind of called out, but again, it landed in a really good way, was weird Barbie. [14:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [14:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So, like, weird Barbie had been played with really know, haircut dyed, which I think everyone can relate to Barbie. [14:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was surprised there was only one weird Barbie and all these other normal Barbies, but again, I thought that was so funny and how they were able to start telling the story about how these Barbies are like being played with. There is this connection between Barbie land and the children playing with the Barbies in the real world. [14:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. And Kate McKinnon's. Hilarious. I love that she's always stuck in splits, which again, you do that with your just I don't know how they got that so right. Of course, because people played with Barbies who wrote the Barbie movie. But that was the stuff that I was just laughing at and then them, like, whispering, like, weird barbie, like, you don't want to be like her, but if you were down, you have to go see her. [14:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So then they were kind of mean. Right? So in Barbie land, it's all, like, kind of perfect, but very superficial. [15:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But if you're not perfect, then you're like othered. [15:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I feel like isn't that the major criticism of Barbie? Right, that she has this unattainable body type and makes little girls feel bad about themselves? Right? Right. And so that sort of is already touching on that in a really smart way. And then when Margot Robbie's Barbie, she loses her high heel feet, they become flat, and she starts falling, and everything's starting to go wrong and she doesn't like it, then she has to go see Weird Barbie. And here I feel like if we really zoom out and think about Margot Robbie's development in this film as being parallel to the psychological development from childhood to adulthood I feel like when she first goes to see Weird Barbie and is presented with the two shoes, the stiletto or the birkenstock, which I thought was hilarious I feel like that is Toddlerhood. It's like one or the other, right? She can't integrate both yet whereas at the very end, when she's fully actualized and a full mature human, she's wearing pink birkenstocks, right? So it's like, even just this silly but concrete way of depicting incorporating both elements into your personality as Weird Barbie is trying to tell her, like, no, you got to pick the birkenstock and go to the real world. I felt like it was like negotiating with a toddler, like, presenting them with a choice, but there's really not a yep. And I was just like, this is perfect. We see her as being in the all good land, having some negative feelings. I died laughing. When they're like, at the dance party, she's like, do you guys ever think about dying? And everyone stops and she's like, oh, just kidding. But she's starting to dance or something. Yeah, it was so perfect. And then she doesn't know what to do with these negative things, so she has to go to Weird Barbie, who's giving her this choice, but it's not really a choice. And then she's on this quest to the real world. And I was just like, oh, my God. This fascinating. [17:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's also why we can't ignore, right? Like, when things aren't going well, right? Ignore anxiety. You can't ignore poor family dynamics. You can't ignore a mood disorder brewing. Like, you have to kind of go see someone. I am Weird Barbie. You come see me. So are you. And we then sit in it with you. Sitting it with you. We go on this journey with you. It's so beautiful so that you can be well and then make a choice at the end that is authentic to you. Authentic. And then you are like, your best self, which means you experience all emotions. That doesn't mean that you're perfect and you're never sad. [17:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. Or that you never feel anxiety again, or you never feel sadness again. 100%. And even thinking about that portia the journey to the real world, how they have to go in the little car and then on a spaceship in the camper, she goes in all of her Barbie vehicles. I thought that was so cute. But also, if we're staying with this theme, that we are the Weird Barbie. As the Therapist Barbie, you do go on a journey, right, to try to become your most authentic self, your most well self. Which, again, doesn't mean you never have bad days or episodic episodes of difficult feelings and stuff like that. But you do kind of go on this journey. What did you think of Ken in Barbie land initially? [18:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So if the Barbies were one dimensional already in that land, like, the KENS are I don't even know, like zero one dimension, where are they? [18:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Where do they live? [18:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Where do they sleep at night? No one knows. [18:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: No one cares. [18:56] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No one knows. But I would say that I thought it was so funny how so much of what Barbie said impacted, you know, Ken number. Gosling. [19:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really? [19:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Really? It seems like, likes, loves I don't know, Barbie. [19:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's unclear. Is it genuine, or does he just feel like that's what his role to play? [19:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So she gives him some feedback, right? That's, like, positive. And he's like he lights right up. [19:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's like, really? Wow. [19:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: His whole day is made. His whole life is made. And then he tries to show off even more for her, which I think is also kind of like a real life thing. Sometimes we get a little over our heads trying to impress someone, like when. [19:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: They'Re at the dance scene, but then all the KENS come in and start dancing, and he feels really threatened. [19:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then the beach scene where he goes into the rock wave, and then all the Barbies come and they help him, and then he's fixed right away. [19:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Which, again, it's like Barbie land. [19:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You just snap their leg back into place, and they're know. Ken. Ken's were just like I was curious how they were going to fit in or how it was going to become more in depth or important to the story. It felt, like, really silly and just, again, kind of like flat, like no dimension, which I think is what Ken. [20:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Brings to the table in original Barbie land. Right? He's just the sidekick I loved when I mean Gosh, Ryan Gosling, like, playing this. Like, I think we all love Ryan Gosling all the time, no matter what. [20:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So listen to this. I heard on Hoda and Jenna, I was watching that yesterday, and they were kind of laughing because Ryan Gosling had initially, before the movie came out, gotten a lot of feedback for, like, you're too old to play. Not they were envisioning. [20:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're not like the hot guy anymore, right? [20:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Who played Austin Butler, who was Elvis Young. That guy. A guy who's in Euphoria who's like the hot guy, either of them. And it was funny because it was the first time that a guy had been called out publicly too old for a role. And how interesting is it in the movie Barbie? There's all these other themes. So anyway, though, they said, I think it landed really well, everyone who had said that was like, I was wrong and I think perfect. [21:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: I also think those young guys I don't think could do it. I feel like you have to have the life experience and be able to wrap your head around it in a different way, to have been able to perform the role the way Ryan Gosling did. Which, again, was like, perfect comedic timing, but, like you said, had all these elements of tenderness and insecurity and codependency that just shine through despite the again, like, how do they put this together. [21:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In such a perfect all he says is, hi, Barbie. But you can just see his urgency for her to pay attention to him and him trying to catch her eye and bolstering his chest, all of that. Yes, I think someone could attempt to do. But Ryan Gosling just nailed it on the head. [21:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And again, the comedic side, but also the tender, authentic, insecure side at the same just I was so impressed. And he's like, so handsome. So that never hurts to objectify him since women have been objectified for decades and centuries and will continue to be. But that is a really interesting point. I hadn't read about that. [22:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So he kind of goes along with her right, for the ride, which ironically, it was just interesting. If you're thinking he's codependent on her, of course he needs to go because he can't be alone in Barbieland without her. [22:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And I just have to address the scene where he wants to have a sleepover. He's like, well, boyfriend girlfriend, I should sleep over. And she's like, why? And then he's like, well, I don't know what we would do, actually. It's just so funny. And then I loved when she was like, but this is my dream house every night's girls night, so I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah. And then she goes into her dream house and they're all like, woohoo Barbie. And it's just like you get the sense it's like a sleepover every single night in Barbie land. And isn't there a part of you that would love yeah, right. [22:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And she does it in a way that it's like dismissing Ken, but it's kind and it's direct. And there's not all these millions of sorrys. And it's not mean. It's not like, no, I don't want you here. It's just like, I'm with my friends and I'm going to go now because this is my house, really firm. And I think when we see later in the movie. The Barbies are never mean cruel. Putting the KENS down intentionally. And then we see the KENS do that when Kendom comes to be that's a great point. [23:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. She's, like, turning him down in a direct, assertive, but kind not aggressive way. She's just, like, speaking her truth. But he does take it really hard and feels really dismissed and brushed aside. And that comes up later in Kendall. Right. So that's just sort of this interesting dynamic. Right away, I did feel like he was really codependent on her, like he didn't have his own identity outside of her. It was always, like, trying to rise up and be good enough for her or feel like her equal. And I just think that's so funny because Barbie is about Barbie and Ken's just like the I guess there's, like that was in all the marketing. And it's just really funny because we. [24:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: All know at least I did, like, a million Barbies. I think I maybe had one. [24:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe one ever. And I think maybe Ken had a little brother. I don't know. Then there's Alan. Who knew? Who knew? [24:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I would love to have Alan now. [24:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, me too. [24:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I wonder if there I know there's I'm sure tons of Barbie collectors. I have a lot of Barbies in boxes still. [24:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: You didn't bring them to the movies? [24:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, it'd be huge. I think I got one every year for Christmas. They're all, like, the anniversary ones. You did not take them out of the box. [24:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Big dresses. Yes. [24:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so I'm wondering who has the Allen one? Is anyone out there? [24:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I bet it's worth a lot. Like, right now, I had one of those, too, that I did take out and give to my daughter. [24:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, that's nice of you. [24:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [24:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I'd probably be able to do, like I don't know. [24:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess I'll have to make that decision. Yeah. It was like the Christmas Barbie, I guess, in your defense, the box broke, so it was already open. It's a much easier choice. [25:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But anyway, so when we get to the real world, which is where we all yes. [25:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, they see the billboard of Miss Universe and Margot Robbie's like, oh, look, the Supreme Court justice is just like all of that stuff was so funny to me. And then when she's, like, looking for somewhere safe to land, and she's like, oh, construction site. That's where I'll find the women. And I was just like, oh, no, here we go. Here we right. [25:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [25:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: And, like, right away, I wrote it down. They get there, and they're walking down. Where are they? [25:35] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Roller skating. Roller skating. [25:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the way they're able to bring in all the little Barbie props are so funny. And they're roller skating, and everyone's know Leering at Barbie, and she feel I feel ill at ease. And Ken goes, I feel admired, but not oggled. I was like, those two sentences speak to the difference of living in the world as a female versus living in the world as a white man, too. [26:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it's not right. It's not most of the time, overt. So I think that's where a lot of people who don't experience this have a harder time understanding, well, they didn't come up to you and slap your behind. It's like but you can feel people oggling you in an icky way. [26:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [26:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And, yes, you could be like, yeah, of course this didn't happen directly to me. It wasn't over. But there's so much covert ickiness out there, and I think that that's what that moment really, for me encapsulated, because Ken just felt right, like, good and finally was yeah, exactly. [26:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: She had started feeling, like, some complicated feelings in Barbie land, and now that just continues. And then there's like, what I'm sure will become the famous lines about the genitals, where she's just like, we have no genitals. [27:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But why did she think to say that? Right? [27:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Probably to disarm these oggling men, but she knew, push them away. [27:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I'm taking leaps here, but as this doll knew right away that that's what was being looked at, leared at, thought of. [27:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: So then eventually, we see Barbie finally ends up at the school where Sasha, played by Ariana Greenblatt, is sort of having lunch with her friends. And leading up to that, we started to see some flashes of Sasha playing with her Barbies over the years. Right. And I think that was what weird barbie was trying to tell her is like, you have to go find this little girl and make it right. This little girl, the reason you're feeling these things is because that's what the child who's playing with you is feeling, and you have to go and make it right and come back to Barbie Lamb, put it all back to how it was. So she comes up to her at school, which I thought, first of all, there's going to be, like, a security guard, a metal detector, hopefully, at school these days, we can imagine this woman dressed like a pink cowgirl, barbie. Just like, walking up to you and Sasha being like, who is this woman with a delusional disorder that she's Barbie. Right? And Barbie just goes off into this monologue and, like, slings it right back at her and I think really delivers all the criticisms of Barbie through the years very quickly, in a succinct way. Right. And then we see, like, react to it and be like, what we didn't fix like I thought we did. I thought we showed women you could be whatever you want. You don't just have to be a mother and a wife, but if you want to do that, that's fine. But you can be a doctor, you can be a lawyer, you can get the Nobel Peace Prize, you can be a teacher, and then you're kind of huh. You're right. Yeah. [28:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then Barbie starts to. Continue to be more and more emotional, right? Starts to cry, leaking, which made me think of, like, the grinch. [28:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: What is um and then she's really upset. And during all of this, Ken is discovering the patriarchy at the school library, gets books on horses, and he sees all these men. He's, like, imitating their arm gestures and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, my God, this is hilarious. But I see where this is going, and this is perfect. And he's just discovering this whole new world where men rule. And he goes in, right, to all these different places of work. I was obviously struck when he's talking to the female doctor and is like, I need to do a surgery. Give me the tools. And she's like, you didn't go to medical school. You can't do that. And he's like, Show me the real doctor. Let me talk to the boss. And she's like, I'm the boss. And he just walks by her. And I was like, security. But oh, my God. Portia I'm sure you can imagine as a female physician, all the times you just get assumed you're not the doctor. And any man walking know, people look at with this reverence and authority automatically just because they're a man. It just spoke to that so perfectly. [30:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I bet. [30:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then he's like, going into the office building, and I want a high. [30:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Paying position of power. [30:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the guy's like, well, you don't have an MBA. You don't have a degree. We can't just give you that. And he's like, I thought this is the patriarchy. And he's like, well, yeah, but we just have to do it a little more fly these days. [30:25] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought that was funny. [30:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. And so then eventually we find that Mattel gets word that Barbie escaped, right? And then things are like, up in arms, and it turns out the other main character, America Ferrari's character, who's the mom, Gloria in the film. This is where we meet her. What did you think about her character? [30:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked it. I didn't know where it was going at first. For some reason, I thought she was like a Barbie creator because she was drawing the sketches. It seems like maybe she was in more like of a secretarial position. And then we find out that she's the one who's connected to stereotypical Barbie memories. And then I loved that it kind of was showing us that scene again, all from her perspective. So now she's in it again. [31:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought that was really sweet, and. [31:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It was sad because of her emotions, but it just spoke to the transitions of motherhood, I would imagine, right? From having a newborn where you're their lifeline continuing all the way up to an adolescent who's kind of pushing back and having more autonomy and pushing you away and rejecting you. [31:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. That was really beautiful. And then we come to find that there's this parallel process going on between her existential crisis, raising an adolescent, and sort of trying to figure out who she is and where does she fit in now, and Barbie's existential crisis and that they're actually the ones that are connected. And it's almost like Barbie's starting to feel all the emotions the mom's feeling, and I guess kind of weird for, like, an adult woman to start playing with Barbies again, but makes sense for, I guess, the plot of the film. [32:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, no, that's true, actually. [32:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe that's kind of like me bringing Barbies to lunch and not really, but. [32:08] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think she said that she was cleaning out the basement or something, and she found some and she kept it donated or throw it away. [32:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. And she's the one who's been drawing, like, Deaths Barbie, right. Like, what did she call it? Irresistible thoughts of death. Cellulite. Barbie depressed thoughts of cellulite. [32:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which was interesting, which we didn't comment on, which was part of Weird Barbie's. [32:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [32:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, push. He's like, well, if you choose the birkenstock and you fix this, you won't have cellulite. [32:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And it's like, okay, fine. Now I'll go which, again, I think is a tongue in cheek sort of reference to Barbie's, like, perfect body and how that's so important to Barbie. Right. [33:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So then Mattel is really upset that Barbie is in the real world. So why do you think that? Is? It because you do you think that Mattel, besides the obvious ways that they're being nefarious, is nefarious with kind of, like, the patriarchy? Did you get that vibe? I did, a little bit, 100%. [33:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: I mean, they're all men, like, on the board, right? The only woman we see is Gloria, who does seem like a secretary. She's kept out of the big, important meetings that only the men can go to. I think when Barbie finally gets there, she's like, where's your boss? Let me meet her. Where is she? I can't wait to meet her. And they're like, well, I'm the boss. And I think they say, like, well, we did have one CEO, I think, like, a long time ago. Right. I loved that scene where she's like, well, who does the money? Me? [33:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: This man? [33:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: And all of it is run by men. I, first of all, love Will Ferrell more than anything in the world, so anything he's in, I love it. And I thought he did a really good job. It's really funny, but yeah, they really wanted Barbie back in her box. I feel like that is just, again, not wanting Barbie to be more complicated than they want to see her and. [34:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In control of her. [34:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: They want to be in control of her. And I do think one interesting sort of criticism I've been reading about this movie is, if you think about it right, like, yes, it's doing great in the box office. Lots of themes about feminism and the female experience. Again, still from a white woman's perspective, which I think it's important to acknowledge. And at the same time, Mattel is making so much money from doing this. They have all these other movies in development, like one about polypocket that's going to be directed by Lena Dunham, I. [34:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Think, with Lily Collins. [34:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yep. And so they have a ton of things in development that I'm sure are going to move ahead now that this was so successful. And there's been some criticisms, like, okay, so Mattel is this huge corporate giant, right? Like, how many female filmmakers have been trying to push forward stories and movies and ideas about the female experience, but no one wanted to listen until there's this big corporate company that's made all this money from a doll who's a stereotypical female, right. Only now we can listen to women and learn about the female experience. I don't know. I just think it's an interesting thing to think about, and I feel like it is a valid criticism. But then you kind of see that tension here. So I kind of agree with you, Portia, that I felt like the film as a whole did a good job addressing the tension about this Uber. Maybe not Uber, but this film really touching on difficult topics about feminism, using Barbie. But again, that's like, the whole point. [35:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think it would have flopped if. [35:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Was. [35:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Shown in a good, positive light in the you know, and I think one of the reasons that it's, like, based on what you're saying is because the movie, in an unironic way, slams Mattel. But I'm curious now. Okay, show me your board, Mattel. [36:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. That's what I mean, right? It's like, is this are you the same board that we're seeing in the how exactly how much is art imitating life? Like, what is Mattel doing behind the scenes? What have they not I don't know. That's not common. Just but again, it raises a lot of interesting questions. [36:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I got anxious when she was standing. She was like, happy to go back. [36:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: In the put those little plastic ties. [36:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: She goes in the box. And again, those were so funny because that's how your Barbie comes, right? And they start twisting them, and it's getting tighter. See her hands? And she's like, something about this doesn't feel good anymore. [36:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Good for ghetto. Ghetto good for you. Like staying in touch with your inner. [37:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Authentic feelings Barbie and picking up on which is a female experience because of our life experiences. Having that third eye, right? Like being a woman. And something about that table over there is giving me weird vibes. Or having to cover your drink or having your key in your hand when you're walking to your car. It's like she started having zero ever experienced that in Barbieland to pick up on that. And I quickly that's just how I interpreted that scene. [37:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I totally agree. And that she had the confidence to listen to that and not I think maybe because she came from Barbie land, where you are just confident and you're not apologizing for your feelings. They just are what they are. She didn't start invalidating herself, which I think a lot of women are socially conditioned to do. Right? Like, you might feel something's off, but then you're like, oh, I'm just being sensitive, or, that can't be. There's something wrong with me, when it's like, no, you're picking up on something accurate in your environment. So then she escapes and hijinks ensue and her and Gloria and Sasha go back to Barbie land and what do they see? Ken has already returned and taken over. The patriarchy is flying high. [38:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Horses are everywhere. [38:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: I love that they put TVs in every room of Barbie land with horses on them. And then this is like, oh, no, Barbie land is turned into the real world. Like, all the Barbies are being objectified and wearing really tight clothes and serving the men and brainwashed almost. Right. And it happened so quickly. And we see Barbie and Gloria and Sasha just like, dumbfounded. Right? And what did you think about Kendom? [38:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was really in a silly way, like really know, like the TVs and just like their interest being so stereotypically, like know. Let's also say that there's many men who are wonderful and allies and not objectifying women and so on and so forth. [39:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like Alan. [39:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like Alan, but in the real world. But this was just like such a silly way of calling it out. [39:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [39:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I loved the horses being the yes, but like and it wasn't like it could have been Ken's, and that would have been the same thing, right? Like, they replaced the Barbie, so it was like horses. It was like really and the hummers and everything's tricked out and lifted and so big. Yeah. [39:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: And they got a mini fridge full of their snacks and they got the saloon doors. It was just so funny and over the top. But you just see how he just starts to really relate to Barbie in this icky way. And interestingly. I felt like he was still so co dependent on her, but now it was like the roles are reversed. Right. Like before, in original Barbie land, he just wanted her approval to feel good enough, and now he has to put her down to feel good enough. So it's still kind of the same dynamic, just like two different sides of the same coin. [40:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And commenting on, I think, right. That idea of, oh, he's mean to. [40:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: You because he likes you. [40:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. So it's like we even see that when she's faking to go to the beach and have him play the guitar for her and he walks away. [40:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [40:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: He's like, oh, maybe, or you're my what does he call her? You're my part time sometimes there whatever. [40:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're my friend. Yes. And then you're like my long term low commitment girlfriend. [40:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Low commitment. But he is excited, right? He goes away and he's like sublime. And that does happen even with, I think between both. Men can do it to women, women can do it to men, so on and so forth. Everyone does it to each other. It's like little games. It's like the gamey thing with dating, right? Like, I'm not going to text you for three days, which just it's hard because if someone's playing the game, it's hard to not but I think just no one should play the game. If you really like someone, text them when you get home. I had a great time, let's go out again. If you don't say, I think you. [41:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Had a great time, but let's stay friends or something. And in that way, in original Barbie land, communication was more direct and innocent. And now things are getting all warped and topsy turvy, and then they decide they have to get all these Barbies back. And I was a little disappointed that it did involve, again, using themselves as sexual objects to kind of distract the KENS to turn them all against each other. I don't know what was your thoughts about that? [41:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Definitely was like, icky. I wish there'd been a different right? [41:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [41:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Why did they choose that way? Is it commenting on that? That's like currency, right? We talked about white lotus last week, and sex is currency. And that's where in now Kendom, like Barbie, you do have power. And we see that in the real world of but like, I'm wondering if it was intentionally supposed to be cringy, right? [42:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, if it's like yeah, in the real world, that is your only power. Now Barbie is to use your body and your sexual power to distract them in order to have the vote and turn it back to Barbie land. That was the part I was like, oh, I wish they'd been able to get it back some other way. [42:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [42:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I did love when they're all strumming their little guitars and I don't know the song that they picked. [42:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I did. [42:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I recognize it, but I don't know. [42:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The name of it. [42:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know who sings it, but it was like, I want to push you around. And it's like aggressive if you think about, like, a man singing that to a woman. Right. [42:40] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's not like a romantic song. [42:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's aggressive. [42:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Don't do that. [42:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: But perfect for Kendom and all the horses. [42:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So all the Barbies seem to be brainwashed and they get pulled out of it through Gloria, right. So Gloria has this monologue that she talks about, which I think resonated with a lot of people. We heard some, like, woohoo in the theater. [43:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sure. [43:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So I thought that was nice. I did really like and we kind of made eye contact when she was talking about body image, and I really, really liked that because before right. They were kind of like I think, again, just pointing out not aging and not having cellulite before. And that's why kind of Barbie Land was like, oh, there's old people in the real world. What is you know, the woman then is like, you're beautiful. And she's like, I know. [43:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I really like woman at the bus stop. [43:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So one of the lines is you have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but you also have to be thin. It's just impossible thinking of every single person, really. Especially, I think, for women, the expectations of your body in the real world is just so hard to live with and so challenging. [43:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [43:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And the messages come early from Barbie, right? [43:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [43:59] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And from TV and everything that's around you and from even parenting. [44:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [44:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, a lot of if your parents are making comments about their bodies, even if they would never know their kids, it's all such a message that I think it's right. Like, you can't be too thin, but you can't be too fat and you can't talk about your weight if someone compliments you. [44:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [44:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I'm fat and I'm feeling so bad about myself. You're fishing for those. No, you're fine. I think we could have explored that in a whole movie of its it. [44:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: You know, it was necessary given, like you said, the criticisms about Barbie and her unattainable body type all along. And I was glad they didn't shy away from that. I was also glad in that monologue, which was so moving, that they also drew comparisons to just the female emotional experience. [44:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [44:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, that is a female experience. You can't be to this or to that. You have to just be this version of a woman. And it's just an impossible standard. And why can't you just be angry or be sad or be anxious or be happy or be confident? Like you said in original Barbie Land, no one's apologizing and then they start to and I just feel like that so speaks to what it's like to be a woman. And it's annoying. [45:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked you're supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you're supposed to because of sisterhood. You're supposed to always stand out and always be grateful. It's impossible just going back and forth. But I think too, I just watched the documentary on Amazon. It came out a little while ago about the family that used to have a show, 18 kids and counting, or 20 kids and counting. And it's a lot of kids they talk a lot about, just like in a lot of religious organizations. Right. You have to be careful of your dress code so that you are not tempting men. [45:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I think that's even like in public school. [45:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, yeah, the straps and the shorts length, all that stuff. And it's just like, it's not our responsibility to make men feel like they don't want to sexual assault someone or keep your thoughts to yourself. We all we all should also they. [46:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Should also learn how to manage those feelings. Right. It's okay, right? And girls are going to have those feelings about boys or other girls, too. [46:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, you can think, wow, that person is attractive, and move on. And then if you feel bad about that, take that up with your God and be sorry for it. But it's not your fault. It's not that person's fault that you found them attractive. [46:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [46:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Anyway, back to Barbie. [46:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, I mean, I feel though I think we touched a little bit about this when we were covering you, which is like, all roads lead back to you because that's such a good show. But when we were talking about stalking and sexual harassment, oftentimes when women finally do seek help, they're often shamed or told, like, well, you kind of asked for it. Or I remember when I was in college, I had, I guess, a stalker. It was kind of weird. And I went to the student police, and their only advice was, when you go to class where that boy is in your class, you should wear really baggy clothes and don't wear makeup. And that was it. That was the advice to keep me safe. It wasn't like, oh, yeah, we should take this one out of your class. We should maybe move him to a different dorm, anything like that. It was like, you need to change your appearance. And so I think that perfectly speaks to what you're saying. [47:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And again, it's just not that hard. We talked about consent in American Pie, that episode, and it's just really not that hard of an idea to come around. Someone might be into you at one point, and guess what? They might not be into you in another. And, like, you have to deal with that. [47:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I loved that. With Barbie, it finally know as we come to the end of Know, the Barbies vote in Congress because they've distracted the boys and they get Barbie land back. But then at the end, Margot, Robbie's character wants to be human. She wants more than just Barbie. She wants to feel all those human experiences. She doesn't want to leave Gloria and Sasha. And she talks to the creator of Barbie, played by Ree Pearlman, who was just like, it was so sweet to hear her talk about and I loved how she was like, yeah, they had some tax evasion issues, but that's another movie. But just saying, like, are you sure you want to be human? Are you sure? And then it comes out when she tells Ken, I don't love you. I don't like you. You're a great person, but I don't feel that way toward you. And they could have an honest conversation about how he felt kind of rejected and dismissed and stuff like that, which was, I thought, great for a man character to be able to say right. To be honest about that in a direct, also respectful way, rather than the way he was treating her in Kendom, which was, like, icky and passive aggressive. [48:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And demeaning and I think really contradicts the kind of general critique of a lot of people that I'm irritated with on the Internet, saying that Barbie is demasculating. And I think the end really does the opposite of that. Right. [49:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: If you have an open mind. Right. [49:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, to me, it's really clear she's apologizing for him feeling dismissed. So it's like, I see that we were maybe treating you like you felt like you didn't matter and like, you do, and I don't love you. [49:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's okay. And both can be true. [49:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I understand that people have a hard time opening their mind to different things, but just to me, it's like that scene contradicts their criticism of so, like, did you stay for the whole movie? [49:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And also, I think it depends on your definition of masculinity, which, again, this film isn't only sort of addressing feminism and the female experience, although I feel like that's the main point, which is, you know, Ryan Gosling's depiction of Ken really touches on the themes of masculinity so well. And I feel like at the end, he comes to find that he can be sensitive and have those types of feelings and express them directly to someone who will listen and validate. Right. He doesn't have to be like a macho man like he was in Kendom. He can just be himself. And maybe he doesn't want his job to be beach. Okay? [50:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Maybe he wants to ride horses. [50:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe. And that's what he says. He's like, I just really like the horses. But in that way, I think that is isn't that also part of masculinity? Can't our boys be sensitive and sweet and not feel like you have to lose all of that to be a man in today's society? I feel like that's another issue these days that they did touch on, I thought, in a really thoughtful way. [50:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. Yeah. [50:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: And so at the end, Barbie chooses to become human, right. She assumes the name of the original creator of Barbie's daughter, which I thought was sweet. We see her get out of the car in her pink birkenstock, so she is fully, actualized, holding on to good and bad, conflicting all the parts of herself. All the parts of herself. It's so great. And we see her going in to sign in for something. What did you think she was going? [51:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was a job interview. [51:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought it was a driver's license. [51:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Okay. [51:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was the gynecologist. And I could not, because she now has a ******, an agency, an autonomy. And I was just like, perfect ending. I just died. [51:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so unexpected that I think laughs you're like, what? I'm so funny. [51:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: So funny, but perfect. She was so happy to be there, right? And again, I just think in today's political climate, great job, Greta Gerwig. [51:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And everyone like, I am getting my womanhood taken care. [51:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So any final thoughts, Portia? As we wrap up this episode a. [52:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Little bit, I just wanted to comment on the Depression Barbie commercial. [52:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: How did we forget about depression, Barbie? [52:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So many people on the Internet were like, why did they call me out? So we see. You know, loose terms on the Internet were binging on sweets. It wasn't really binging. It was eating sweets. [52:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: It said an entire family sized starburst. [52:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yep. And then watching reruns of BBC's Pride and Prejudice, and she was like, scrolling. [52:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: Instagram, looking at her estranged BFF's engagement photos. It was so funny. And then they were like, anxiety OCD and panic attack. [52:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Barbie sold separately. [52:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, that was funny. I loved it. And then Gloria finally at the end pitching to Mattel, like, what about just, like, average, like and then again, there's another beautiful monologue by American Ferrara about just, like, the experience of a woman. And I feel like that is she was, like, describing her own experience in a way. And again, Mattel was smart when at first they were like, oh, I don't know if that's going to go well. And then the finance guy's like, those sales will be huge. And they were like, okay, yeah. And I felt like that just also signified. Like, there's still a lot of room to go. We still have a lot of road to cover. But overall, I really loved it. [53:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It gives you a lot to think about. [53:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [53:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And take what you want from it. I think there's a lot of funny themes, and I think it's worth seeing more than once over time. And I'm excited to see it again. I mean, I'm wondering maybe there'll be more tears because I'm already primed, but we'll see. [53:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was so good. Well, thank you for joining us for another episode of Analyze Scripts. Please rate review and subscribe and share with your friends if you're enjoying our content. I did carry around two Barbies as a middle aged woman, so please make it worth it. Make it worth it. You can find us on Instagram at Analyze Scripts and on TikTok and Analyze Scripts podcast and on threads at Analyze Scripts podcast. And we will see you next Monday. Yep. [54:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Bye bye. [54:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of Analyzed Scripts. All rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited. Unless you want to share it with your friends and rate, review and subscribe, that's fine. All stories and characters discussed are fictional in nature. No identification with actual persons, living or deceased places, buildings, or products is intended or should be inferred. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. The podcast and its contents do not constitute professional mental health or medical advice. Listeners might consider consulting a mental health provider if they need assistance with any mental health problems or concerns. As always, please call 911 or go directly to your nearest emergency room for any psychiatric emergencies. Thanks for listening and see you next time.

We break down the details of the Barbie skincare routine step by step and look at the controversial craze, how often do dermatologists really say you should be showering? 1:08 - What's going on. 3:52 - Podcast update 4:55 - Top 4 moisturizers for the summer 12:40 - Margot Robbie's "Barbie" skin routine breakdown 30:16 - How many showers are too many? Disclaimer: This podcast is not intended to provide diagnosis, treatment, or medical advice. Content provided in this podcast is for educational purposes only. Please consult with a physician regarding any health-related diagnosis or treatment.

Erin Ryan and Alyssa Mastromonaco cover quite the range of news, from important elections in Ohio that will decide the fate of abortion in the state, to the Zuckerberg / Threads versus Musk / Twitter dick-measuring contest. Then, Kara Klenk and special guest Jamie Loftus — who has copious hot dog knowledge thanks to her debut book, Raw Dog: The Naked Truth About Hot Dogs — join the panel to talk about Jonah Hill and his “boundaries.” Finally, some Sani-Petty: we love Margot Robbie's Barbie carpet looks and good European period meds!For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email transcripts@crooked.com and include the name of the podcast. Show NotesRaw Dog: The Naked Truth about Hot Dogs by Jamie Loftus (Bookshop)That's Mess Up Podcast + Tour TicketsBarbie x Barbie: All of Margot Robbie's Mattel-Inspired Red-Carpet Looks (Vanity Fair)

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The time has arrived! Popcorn Podcast returns to the world of Pandora in the final episode of season eight. As the long-awaited sequel to the highest grossing film of all-time, James Cameron's Avatar: The Way Of Water has a lot to live up to, promising a visual and technical spectacle to blow the original out of the water. Does the acclaimed filmmaker deliver a record-breaking follow-up in its more than three hour runtime? Dive into this bite-sized no-spoiler episode with Leigh and Tim to find out whether The Way Of Water lives up to the hype.Plus, the DCU's 10 year plan starts to take shape and prisoners; Scream VI heads to New York; Margot Robbie's Barbie delights in first trailer; and The Golden Globes nominations are ripe for discussion.Know someone who loves movies? Please share Popcorn Podcast with your friends.Visit popcornpodcast.com for more movie reviews, celebrity interviews and news.Popcorn Podcast interviews the biggest stars, including Hugh Jackman and more, on YouTube: Popcorn Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kris & Amy share a preview of this month's Patreon content.    At the $5 level, this month's Gump Files episode is a fun look at the history of Halloween.   At the $10 level, this month's installment of Tea with the Madames includes topics like Margot Robbie's Barbie confusion, the new Jeffrey Dahmer series, and the death of Queen Elizabeth II.    And for $2/month you'll get a one-time bonus episode where The Madames chat about their favorite movies.    BECOME A PATRON here for access to these eps & more! 

Who is the real Barbie, and who is she for? Here's our take on how Barbie has managed to remain relevant and iconic for so long, and the essence of this character that's persisted across her series of changing models.

Booker and Stryker want to know what's your go to chain pizza place? They get into news - Taylor Hawkins Tribute line up have been announced, Stranger things is the number one streaming show on Netflix, when is the best time to buy concert tickets, Ryan Gosling will be playing Ken in Margot Robbie's Barbie. Booker asks what's that ONE song for you that takes you to a different place mentally?

Rumors about Margot Robbie's “Barbie” movie make it seem like it'll be nothing that we expect it to be…. Plus, there's actually a reason it feels like everyone you know is talking about the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard trial, including us! We'll fill you in on everything next!

Alex, Simon and Charlotte review Downton Abbey: A New Era and Crush. The trailers for Don't Worry Darling and Weird: The Al Yankovic Story are just the start too, as Greta Gerwig debuts the first image of Margot Robbie's Barbie and Elizabeth Banks sets her sights on Cocaine Bear.

Ben, Max and Ryan tackle a myriad of topics this week from Netflix losing ground in the content streaming wars, Margot Robbie's Barbie movie, Johnny Depp's guitar playing abilities, festival lineup announcements and which artists will most be remembered as representing the 2000's? We also dive into the latest albums from Prince Daddy and the Hyena, Pusha T, and A Wilhelm Scream. Keep up with all of our favorite new music by following our 2k22 playlist on Spotify.

 Happy Birth/Death Day: Pat Sajak, Cary Elwes, Seth MacFarlane, the battle at the O.K. Corral and more!Happy Birth/Death Day: Pat Sajak, Cary Elwes, Seth MacFarlane, the battle at the O.K. Corral and more!This Week in Geek: History of the World part 2--Superman's coming out leads to big DC comic sales--Tom Brady's $500,000 600th touch down pass game ball--Alec Baldwin's deadly on set prop gun accident--Ryan Gosling to play Ken opposite of Margot Robbie's Barbie--2022 is the year of Ghost Rider--Walmart and Netflix are teaming up for exclusive merch.Revs and Rex: The Last Duel, You season 3, Injustice and Call of Duty: Cold War

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Whhhhaats up ya'll and welcome to episode 268 of The Chumpcast! We're back from a week of conventioning to discuss Denis Villenueve's sci-fi epic, Dune. You can find us on all social media platforms @thechumpcast. You can also call or text us at 847-920-6107. TIMESTAMPS! 0:10 - Recapping our first convention in almost TWO YEARS and the painful realization that we'll probably never make it to SDCC 11:20 - TRAILERS! DC FanDome brought us looks at the Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad games, Peacemaker, The Flash, The Batman, and plenty more. Also, Uncharted looks cool and so does Cowboy Bebop 32:50 - NEWS! Danny DeVito signs on for Haunted Mansion at Disney and Ryan Gosling will be the Ken to Margot Robbie's Barbie 36:50 - RECOMMENDATIONS! Mark is finally onboard with Formula 1 and Smithers has a soft spot for bad sci-fi comedies like Ghosts 45:00 - BEST MAN ALIVE! A group of hackers is doing the Lord's work by bringing Big Cotton Candy to its knees 49:15 - REVIEW! Denis Villenueve's Dune is weird and pretty, but is it any good? 1:28:50 - Next time, on The Chumpcast…. If you're looking for merch, you can check out our website, thechumpcast.com You can also support us by using our Amazon Affiliate link, thechumpcast.com/amazon.If you like us, tell a friend! Subscribers help us grow and bring you more of the content you love. We also appreciate ratings and reviews on iTunes. Thanks to Broke For Free for the intro song "If".  You can find more of them at the Free Music Archive here.

The spice is flowing on this week's podcast because Johnny and Zach are finally reviewing Denis Villeneuve's “Dune.” Plus, the guys talk “Succession” and Zach recaps everything he saw at Film Fest 919. ||7:37 - “Succession” Episode 2 Recap ||22:57 - New trailers for “Uncharted,” “Red Notice” and “Ambulance ||37:12 - Hayden Christensen joins the “Ahsoka” show || 29:30 - Emily Blunt in talks to join Nolan's “Oppenheimer” || 41:03 - Ryan Gosling to play Ken opposite Margot Robbie's “Barbie” ||43:30 - “Dune” Review (Spoilers) ||1:15:13 - Film Fest 919 Recap ||Make sure to follow Inside The Film Room on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok and YouTube for all the latest movie news (@insidefilmroom), and be sure to subscribe and rate/review five stars wherever you get your podcasts!

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Welcome everyone to an all new episode of Some Like It Scott! On this week's milestone 150th episode, the two Scotts dust off their MCU caps and try some new action poses with a review of the first film of Phase 4 of the MCU, BLACK WIDOW. After discussing whether the film is an effective send-off for Scarlet Johansson's Nat, an effective introduction to Florence Pugh's Yelena, and how effective it is as a standalone story, they turn their attention to the announcement that Greta Gerwig will be co-writing and directing Margot Robbie's Barbie film and that Matthew Vaughn (Kingsman franchise) is developing a new ensemble action/spy movie called ARGYLLE. See time codes below:   2:53 - Black Widow 52:27 - Greta Gerwig to co-write and direct Barbie movie 58:22 - Matthew Vaughn to direct ensemble action film ARGYLLE   Next week: Escape Room: Tournament of Champions (Theaters)   Patreon: www.patreon.com/MediaPlugPods

In this week's Sassy Hollywood Movie News Report, we chat Bridgerton meets James Bond, Batman returns...kind of, Lethal Weapon 5, Contagion Part 2, Margot Robbie's Barbie, Chris Pratt plays with Thor, Excorcist reboot...kind of, and Queen's Gambit meets Mad Max! It's On the Rocks Hollywood Movie News...from the gay perspective!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices