Podcasts about toddlerhood

Toddlerhood comes with lots of surprises, and some can be a little scary.  Have you ever noticed your little one zoning out or holding their breath and that made you pause and question, “Is that normal?” You're not alone. Toddler spells can be alarming for parents, and it can be hard to tell the difference between a harmless toddler spell and a seizure.   In this episode, we're joined by two pediatric neurologists, Dr. Marissa Vawter-Lee and Dr. Barbara Hallinan, to break down toddler spells vs. seizures. We talk about common toddler spells—like breath-holding or staring spells— what they look like, and what to do in the moment. We also cover how to tell a spell from a seizure, including signs and symptoms of seizures and what you should and shouldn't do if your child is having a seizure. 

Do you think about what's happening inside your child's belly and with their gut health?Madeline Lauf joins me today to talk about children's gut health, improving children's microbiomes and so much more! Madeline Lauf is the founder and CEO of Begin Health, a company focused on children's digestive health through prebiotic supplements. Check out all of her products and follow her on Instagram too! Toddlerhood doesn't have to be as hard as it feels.I invite you to look at my Transforming the Toddler Years course. Let's turn the daily tantrums into teachable moments that align with your core values as you raise whole kids.April 24, 2025Episode 240Picky Eaters and Gut Health with Madeline LaufAbout Your Host:Cara Tyrrell, M.Ed is mom to three girls, a Vermont based Early Childhood Educator and the founder of Core4Parenting. She is the passionate mastermind behind the Collaborative Parenting Methodology™, a birth-to-five, soul and science based framework that empowers toddler parents and educators  to turn tantrums into teachable moments. Through keynotes, teacher training, and her top-ranking podcast, Transforming the Toddler Years, she's teaching the 5 Executive Functioning Skills kids need to navigate our ever-changing world.Ready to raise world-ready kids who change the world? Visit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.caratyrrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to begin your Collaborative Parenting journey!

Toddlerhood is often described as a rollercoaster, which, as a mother to two myself, I can see why. Riding those emotional highs and lows can be a lot, but luckily, if you're also riding the waves, you're not alone. From epic meltdowns over the “wrong” snack to power struggles over everything from bedtime to toothbrushing, it's a season filled with big feelings (from both the kids and the parents!). That's why we're excited about this episode of Chick Chat. I'm chatting with Laura Amies, also known as Nanny Amies, all about surviving toddlerhood. Who is Laura Amies? Laura Amies – aka Nanny Amies – has worked with hundreds of children across her 20-year career, both in nurseries and as a private nanny, and was the TV expert "toddler tamer" for Channel Five's 'Toddlers Behaving (Very) Badly'. Laura has been supporting parents for the past 20 years. Offering a heartfelt approach to childcare and development within nurseries, schools, playgroups, family homes, and hotels worldwide. When it comes to children's behavior, she believes there's really nothing that she hasn't seen. What Did We Discuss? In this episode, Laura and I chick-chat about all things toddlerhood. She shares what's really behind common toddler behaviors, how to support your child through big emotions, and the best strategies to not just survive but thrive through raising your toddler. Whether you're in the thick of tantrums or just gearing up for this stage, this conversation will leave you feeling more informed, confident, and supported. Here are several of the questions that we covered in our conversation: Can you please share with us the most common challenges parents face during toddlerhood? How can parents best navigate these challenges? What are some common mistakes parents make when dealing with toddler tantrums, and how can they handle these situations more effectively? We've all heard people describe toddlerhood as the "terrible twos," the “threenager” stage and even the “fournados.” What are your thoughts when you hear these terms, and do you believe they are truly as terrible as people say? Emotional regulation is a huge milestone for children. How can we parents help our toddlers navigate big emotions like frustration, anger, or sadness?  What do you see as the most pivotal moments of toddler development?  What advice would you give to a first-time parent who's about to experience the challenges of toddlerhood? Toddlerhood doesn't have to feel like a battlefield. As Laura reminded us, these challenging moments are opportunities for connection, learning, and growth — for our children and for us as parents. With the right tools, realistic expectations, and a little perspective, you can feel more in control and less overwhelmed. If you're navigating the toddler trenches right now, I hope this episode reassures you that what you're experiencing is normal and that you're not alone. Laura's wisdom is a gift, and I'm so grateful she shared her practical, heartfelt strategies with us. Be sure to share this episode with a fellow parent who could use a little extra support during this season. We're all in this together! Laura's Resources Website: lauranannyamies.co.uk Instagram: @nannyamies TikTok: @nannyamies Facebook: @nannyamies Book: The Toddler Survival Guide Thank you for listening to our podcast. Cheers to surviving toddlerhood! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tablets and iPads are finding younger and younger owners according to Common Sense Media. Why, though, are we giving toddlers tablets?

On this week's episode of Sense by Meg Faure, we journey to France to uncover the joys and challenges of raising twins abroad. Clarise, a South African mom raising 19-month-old twin boys in France, shares her unique experiences and invaluable insights.Twin Pregnancy and Breastfeeding Clarise's journey began with a spontaneous twin pregnancy—a surprise discovery during her first ultrasound. She shares her experience of navigating a planned C-section, a common practice for twin births in France, and highlights key differences between the French and South African healthcare systems. With longer paternity leave and a supportive hospital environment, she reflects on how these factors shaped her postpartum experience. Clarise also dives into the realities of tandem breastfeeding, syncing feeds and wake windows, and her approach to weaning.Embracing French Parenting Practices French parenting is known for its emphasis on natural approaches and fostering early independence. Clarise offers a fascinating look into childcare norms in France, including minimal screen time, child-led play, and creating a safe yet stimulating environment for exploration. She also discusses how the French crèche system introduces a wide variety of foods early on, encouraging adventurous eating habits from a young age.The Unique Twin Bond One of the greatest joys of parenting twins is watching their bond develop. Clarisse shares heartwarming anecdotes about her boys' early interactions, how they learn from and support each other, and the balance between nurturing their connection while encouraging their individuality. She highlights the importance of fostering independence and confidence in each child while celebrating the special twin relationship.Why You Should Listen This episode is a must-listen for parents of twins—or anyone curious about raising children in a different cultural setting. Clarise's story offers practical takeaways and real-life insights on:✅ Navigating a twin pregnancy and birth abroad ✅ Establishing routines and syncing sleep schedules ✅ Tandem breastfeeding and weaning strategies ✅ Encouraging the twin bond while fostering individuality ✅ Minimizing screen time and promoting independent play ✅ Creating a safe and enriching environment for toddlersJoin us for this heartwarming and informative conversation about twin parenting in France—because raising two is a unique adventure worth exploring!

In Season 2 Episode 35 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I dove into 5 main points to focus on with your baby to make everyone's transition into toddlerhood all the easier!

Welcome to Baby Banter, the podcast dedicated to exploring the joys and challenges of play and child development! Hosted by Nicole Pates, a passionate paediatric physiotherapist and mum of two, this show is your friendly guide through the beautiful yet sometimes overwhelming journey of parenthood. Join us as we follow the heartfelt journeys of our lovely mums, Monique and Helen, and their adorable boys, Gio and Seb, whom we've been supporting since they were just four weeks old. Each episode is filled with relatable stories and expert insights, making it the perfect resource for new mums seeking connection and reassurance. In this episode, we dive into part two of our conversation with Monique and Helen, as we reflect on the highs and lows of motherhood with toddlers now around 20 to 21 months old. We'll chat about the everyday experiences that come with this stage, share our feelings about the ups and downs of parenting, and discuss how we're preparing for the festive season. Whether you're navigating toddlerhood alongside us or just looking for some relatable parenting stories, this episode is sure to resonate. So grab a cuppa, settle in, and let's enjoy this lovely chat together! Want to take your toddler's development to the next level? Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Toddler Play Academy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! This online program is packed with indoor and outdoor play ideas, expert-led masterclasses, and a focus on essential skills like communication, motor development, and emotional regulation. Plus, get direct access to a team of paediatric experts ready to support you every step of the way. Let's turn playtime into playtime! Check out the show notes for a special discount. Links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Nicole Pates on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Baby Play Academy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Toddler Play Academy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Ultimate Guide to Tummy Time⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Head Preference & Head Flattening Webinar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Positioning and Play ideas for babies with hip dysplasia in braces⁠

In Season 2 Episode 34 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I had the pleasure of chatting with Blanca from @wholechildhome all about reframing toddlerhood to make both your experience and your toddler's experience easier and more peaceful! She is a psychotherapist and internationally certified positive discipline educator who specializes in supporting socioemotional development in early childhood through evidence-based approaches. This week we discussed:What makes "terrible 2's" and "threenagers"?How do we work with our toddlers to support their development during this phaseTricky situations we may find ourselves in....How to support your own parental growth during this phaseAnd more!Blanca's Resources and Programs: Website:  www.wholechildhome.comInstagram: @whole.child.homeLinkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com › velazquez-martinbPrep your Toddler for School course: how you support your toddler's transition to school  can be more than making “ a quick drop off”. This is a course designed specifically to help you support your young child's transition into school between the ages of 18 months and 3 years. https://wholechildhome.thinkific.com/courses/ToddlerSchoolPrepBlog Post: “Why the ‘terrible twos' are actually terribly important'”Parenting consultations with Blanca: Get research-informed and Montessori-aligned support to welcome the big emotions, sudden shifts in your child's behavior, tricky feeding or toilet learning stretches, or simply to learn how to nurture healthy emotional development at home. Let's take all the social media and book content you're flooded with and transform it into strategies that fit your child, your family, and the stage you're in.https://www.wholechildhome.com/consults

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Welcome to Baby Banter, your go-to podcast for navigating the exciting world of toddlerhood! Join paediatric physiotherapist Nicole Pates as she dives deep into the world of play, development, and parenting alongside fellow mum and OT expert Staci Grant. From gross and fine motor skills to understanding and managing toddler emotions, we've got you covered. Get practical advice, expert insights, and real-life stories from two incredible families as they navigate this incredible stage. Let's turn those toddler tantrums into teachable moments together! Want to take your toddler's development to the next level? Check out the Toddler Play Academy⁠⁠! This online program is packed with indoor and outdoor play ideas, expert-led masterclasses, and a focus on essential skills like communication, motor development, and emotional regulation. Plus, get direct access to a team of paediatric experts ready to support you every step of the way. Let's turn playtime into playtime! Check out the show notes for a special discount. Links: ⁠Follow Nicole Pates on Instagram⁠  ⁠Baby Play Academy⁠ ⁠Toddler Play Academy⁠ ⁠The Ultimate Guide to Tummy Time⁠ ⁠Head Preference & Head Flattening Webinar⁠ ⁠Positioning and Play ideas for babies with hip dysplasia in braces

Wondering when your baby becomes a toddler? Confused by all the different guidelines? Join me in this episode as I discuss the transition between babyhood and toddlerhood. I encourage parents and caregivers to observe your child with your heart and be mindful of where they are at. I also shed light on a few signs to watch for! Struggling to understand your toddler? Want to strengthen your connection with your toddler but don't know where to start? Book a complimentary connection call with me and we can discuss how we get you on track and transform the toddler years together. July 16, 2024 Episode 159 When Does Babyhood End and Toddlerhood Begin? How to Know and Accept the Transition About Your Host: Cara Tyrrell, M.Ed is mom to three girls, a Vermont based Early Childhood Educator and the founder of Core4Parenting. She is the passionate mastermind behind the Collaborative Parenting Methodology™, a birth-to-five, soul and science based framework that empowers toddler parents and educators  to turn tantrums into teachable moments. Through keynotes, teacher training, and her top-ranking podcast, Transforming the Toddler Years, she's teaching the 5 Executive Functioning Skills kids need to navigate our ever-changing world. Ready to raise world-ready kids who change the world? Visit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.caratyrrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠to begin your Collaborative Parenting journey!

In Season 2 Episode 33 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I had the pleasure of chatting with Dr. Liraz all about boosting brain development in the early years! She is a neuroscientist and Mama who has a love for all things Montessori.This week we discussed:brain boosting from birth - 6 yearsbrain development beyond childhoodtangible tools to boost brain development everydayhow to support your own brain as a new MamaAnd more!Dr. Liraz's website: https://littleneurons.com2nd Live International Montessori SeminarSeptember 7, 2024 - 9:00 AM - Noon CDT - Live on ZoomDon't miss this upcoming high quality, hands-on International Montessori seminar! The amazing panel of speakers are ready to help you and your child take Montessori education to the next level. Come learn from the experts, win FREE Montessori prizes, and make new friends! Learn and earn $1000 worth of prizes in our raffle, including personalized coaching, educational books, innovative toys, and so much more!Connect with like-minded educators and parents passionate about Montessori education during our breakout sessions. **EARLY BIRD SPECIAL: **Enter LVLUP20 for a 20% discount at checkout.*SPACES ARE LIMITED!! *REGISTER NOW and receive a FREE GIFT here:

In Season 2 Episode 32 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I dove into some ideas to nurture your inner child while parenting your sweet baby!This week we discussed:Montessori principles that can support both you and babySetting up your home to allow for inner child workCreative ways to address your inner child while parentingGiving yourself grace and courtesyAnd more!✨ If you would like to grab one of the 12 spots in my 8 week Virtual Montessori Mommies Group (held this Fall - September to October, 2024)... Sign up for the waitlist here!✨

Toddlerhood is the first big push for independence and with that often comes defiance. How do we support independence while also setting healthy boundaries? One mom asks for some guidance on dealing with her toddler's defiance, while another asks about how to deal with her toddler's aggression in the form of pinching. Listen to learn how to deal with these two common toddler behaviors!Our Sponsors:* Check out Done and use my code PODCAST for a great deal: www.donefirst.com* Check out undefined and use my code PARENTING for a great deal: undefined* Check out undefined and use my code PARENTING for a great deal: undefinedSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/parenting-beyond-discipline/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In Season 2 Episode 31 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Sandra Copping, a seasoned Montessorian from the UK!This week we discussed understanding the Montessori philosophy and what that looks like when you apply it both inside and outside of the home!You can find Sandra's Facebook page below!Montessori with Miss Sandra Facebook Page---------

We are back and with a few, cute tweaks! Babysodes for now, Babysodes forever! Every episode from here on out will be a Babysode with ya fave Mom&Dad. This week Kaila and Jimmy discuss playdats! Do we like them, do we hate them, would we rather host or be the guest? Are there any other factors involved? Magic Mind is an energy supplement that Kaila recently tried and is now drinking instead of coffee! The ingredients are simple, real and primarily adaptogens. To try it for yourself visit https://www.magicmind.com/parent and use the code 'Parent20' for for 56% off a subscription or 20% off a single purchase.Don't forget! Rating, reviewing, and subscribing to Parent Tell is one of the best ways to show your love and support!Follow Parent Tell on InstagramSend Kaila an email with your Babysode topic suggestions at parenttellpod@gmail.com

In this enlightening podcast episode, parenting experts Devon and Marcela delve into the complexities of toddler behavior, offering practical advice and transformative strategies for managing challenges with calm and understanding. Join The Transforming Toddlerhood Conference for Free

Janni Ayala & Rachel Anastacia (and Cali) discuss the beautiful struggles of toddlerhood...if you know, you know. There are so many new experiences to look forward to as you enter this new stage of your child's life-talking, playing, dancing, singing...but also-temper tantrums, big emotions, sleep regressions, and lots of "no's". Toddlers are just little people experiencing the world for the first time, and we as their parents are here to navigate them, and most importantly, love and care for them. Tune in to listen to our stories as mother's to toddlers, because we are doing this for the first time too....and the struggle is real! We hope you enjoy listening! Love you

In Season 2 Episode 30 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Ingrid Rhodes, a certified Educational Psychologist, Montessorian, Positive Discipline Educator, Author, and fellow new Mama!This week we discussed:Social media insights and motherhoodThe realities of self care in new motherhoodSeeking external supportChecking in with your partnerAnd more!You can find Ingrid's resources below!Website:   https://www.vita-education.co.uk/ Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/vitaeducation/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/infovitaeducation/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ingrid-rhodes-60387223b/ ---------

In Season 2 Episode 29 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing an AMI trained Montessori Guide and new Mama, Becky Myers-Pollock!This week we discussed:How the Montessori approach can support new motherhoodWhat you actually need for babyHow to do Montessori in a smaller homeHome vs. Classroom environmentsAnd more!You can find Becky's resources below!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bec_montessori Montessori At Home Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/montessoriactivities/---------

In Season 2 Episode 28 of our Montessori Babies Podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Pamela Green from Ananda Montessori!This week we discussed:The prenatal lifeWays to prepare for birthWriting your own storyTips for the newborn phaseand much more!You can find Pamela's resources below!Website: https://www.anandamontessori.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pamelagreent30/?hl=enLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-green-81bb5375/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anandamontessorichildrenshouse---------

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In Season 2 Episode 27 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Ilene Steinberg from !This week we discussed:Montessori and Hygiene Including baby in hygiene Lice prevention tips for parentsand more!You can find Ilene's resources below!Website: https://www.centerforlicecontrol.com/Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/centerforlicecontrolsalon/Shop/Contact: Ilene's Amazon Store Contact her salon---------

Between 1 ½ and 2 ½ years, toddlers go through a period of rapid development across various domains. Not only are they growing bigger and stronger physically, they are also growing in their cognitive abilities, emotional and social development, self-care skills, language and communication, behavioral abilities, and sensory and artistic development.They're going through a lot of really big and really fun changes! They're also going through a lot of changes that aren't so fun and are much more challenging for us parents. Let's navigate the world of toddlerhood together and examine these changes while discussing some simple solutions we can begin implementing now to facilitate our toddlers' growth without the meltdowns!Join Heather as she helps break down these stages and milestones, provides helpful tips for handling the more challenging developments, and shares anecdotes from her own twin toddlers' toddlerhood so you know you aren't alone!Don't forget to grab the My Mom Journey Journal 2024 to start your new year off right with realistic intentions, helpful reflection, and some must-needed self-care!Ready to get your toddler to listen in 2 seconds?Heather has her M.Ed, and a proud Twin Mama of busy toddlers. You might've tried advice tailored for one child, but that's not our journey, right? With a decade of teaching experience under her belt, she's seen it all – from toddlers to teenagers in the classroom. Now, as a parent to toddlers, she's experiencing the flip side of the coin. She's discovered a toolbox to help parents with everything toddler times two!Let's unlock the secrets to understanding toddler behavior, preventing meltdowns, and raising intuitive, resilient children who listen in 2 seconds.Grab the 3 Steps to Less Meltdowns GuideTake the Meltdown Mastery: The Listening and Skilled Toddler Mini-CourseJoin the Toddler Mom CommunityFollow me on Instagram @twinmom_roadmapWatch the YouTube channelCheck out the blog

Beyond the Sessions is answering YOUR parenting questions! In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Hershberg, Dr. Emily Upshur, and I talk about...     2:02 - Distinguishing between the different interventions for how to respond to biting with a young child versus an older toddler.   5:55 - Babies don't often bite out of angry, but for many other reasons including exploratory and sensory seeking behaviors.   7:53 - When a baby bites another kid and the child has a big reaction, our baby may bite more because they are exploring the response this may illicit.   9:20 - The less attention we give this behavior the more likely we can see a reduction to the biting.   12:04 - If your child is prone to biting other kids, you may have to be their "buddy guard" for a while to try to catch it in the moment before they lose interest in biting.     ✨We want to hear from you! Go to https://drsarahbren.com/question to send us a question or a topic you want to hear us answer on Securely Attached - Beyond the Sessions! ✨

Today With Christie Rocha: Today on The Inner Edit, we revisit an amazing episode we had almost a year ago, with the brilliant Michelle Tangeman. Connect with Christie! Website Like Us: Facebook | Follow Us: Instagram | Listen Here: Podcast

In Season 2 Episode 26 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing a fellow Montessori Mama, Katherine Cespedes! She had an amazing presentation on what art teaches young children and parents alike!This week we discussed:What art can teach young childrenWhat we can do to best support their artistic journeysResearch on art and child developmentMontessori and art principle comparisonsand much more!You can find the resources that Katherine wanted to share below! https://www.ellenwinner.com/https://www.apa.org/about/division/div10https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/LCW/come-look-with-mehttps://books.google.com/books/about/Studio_Thinking_from_the_Start.html?id=PQduDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&gboemv=1&ovdme=1#v=onepage&q&f=falsehttps://m.imdb.com/title/tt1020938/---------

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are rereleasing our most popular episode of 2023 - Greta Gerwig's BILLION DOLLAR HIT "Barbie." We analyze the film's smart, timely, and campy explorations of femininity and masculinity. We loved exploring Barbie's evolution through a developmental lens and decided that therapists are basically "weird Barbies" helping our patients grow into their most authentic selves. We loved the sprinkling in of so many dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) principles, and the tender moments depicting evolving mother-daughter relationships. Plus, we could watch Ryan Gosling beach all day. We loved this movie and hope you enjoy this episode! Instagram TikTok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Furey, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. [00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to another episode of a podcast hosted by Two Wise Trees. If you didn't catch that reference, we are obviously talking about the new Greta Gerwig film, Barbie. And that was a line in the film at one point, and I just chuckled. Know, we have a podcast now and we're covering it. And we went to the movies all for this. And it was just funny. [01:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And we are two trees basically rooted. [01:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Firmly into the ground. [01:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Secure. [01:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Secure. Stable. Nourishing. With our branches. [01:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Fruitful. [01:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Fruitful. Nice. With our branches just growing and blossoming into the sky where it takes us. I know it could have been a haiku. So anyway, we are really excited to talk about this film today. As it stands right now, we are filming or filming we are recording this episode in late July, and I checked the stats yesterday. Barbie has grossed already over $500 million worldwide. [01:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's incredible. [01:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Incredible. Especially because it's like double what Oppenheimer has grossed. We will also be covering that film a little later on. So that makes me really happy. Yeah, I was really excited when we went to the movies, Portia. And it was packed, packed, packed. Mostly women, but some men as well. And it was a matinee. We went at 01:00. And I just was like, see, Hollywood, you can make female driven material and you will still sell tickets. [02:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was so excited. There was a ton of people wearing pink. It was just so fun. And I felt connected to people in theater. [02:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, right? [02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which I feel like I've never well, I did when I saw the last Harry Potter. [02:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was going to say Harry Potter. [02:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was clapping, everyone dressed up. It was emotional. [02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was an experience. Right. And that's like the joy of going to the movies. And I think you had said to me that you hadn't seen a movie since before COVID and probably then two years before that. So long time. But totally, as you were saying that, it reminded me of when I would go see Harry Potter with my friends, like in high school and yeah, it was like a whole event. And this is totally what that felt like. We were a little bummed that there wasn't the Barbie box. [03:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think it's because we weren't. [03:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: In a major city. [03:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Or even just like a big mega theater, because I know some people who went in another part of our state and they did have the box, but it was like a big complex, like. [03:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Next to a mall, all that stuff. Yeah, well, it was still great. [03:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was bummed. Sorry. [03:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did bring a couple of my daughter's Barbie dolls, which was an interesting thing to be carrying around as an adult woman. We went to lunch beforehand and we had them and it was just interesting, I'll put it that way. Content. [03:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it was silly, but we were probably the youngest people at lunch by like 30 years. [03:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, at a minimum. And I was just curious what they. [04:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Were thinking 100%, because I don't think. [04:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was on their radar that Barbie was coming up. Although maybe, but I don't think so. And then here I am, just slept around with some Barbie dolls in my purse and we're trying to take pictures of them with our drinks. And I did feel weird. [04:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [04:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: But you tell me this is what content is and we're really trying, and you held them. [04:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, yeah, it's fine. I'm not holding them. [04:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: But they were cute. [04:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's funny. So, first impact of the movie, what did you immediately think? Leaving it, just feeling wise? [04:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, I think I was so excited for this movie because I had a feeling it wasn't going to be like Stereotypical Barbie, right. Just because Greta Gerwig was attached. And I had a feeling it was going to be really smart and kind of meta. And that was what I was hoping for, was it would be a commentary on the female experience. And I felt like they totally delivered. I just loved the opening. I loved all of it. But I really loved The Know, where they show all the little girls playing old fashioned dolls and playing mommy and all this stuff. And then all of a sudden there's this big Barbie in her swimsuit and they just start smashing the **** out of these baby dolls. And I just was like, all right, I'm going to like this movie right away. It caught. I just I don't know. I thought it was so campy and funny, but also really know. I cried at the end when Ruth and Stereotypical Barbie were talking and like, wanted to become human, and they were talking all about the complicated human experience. And she said the thing about mothers, stand still so their daughters can see how far they've come. That's when it got me. So I just felt everything and I want to see it again. I already want to see it again. [05:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought about it a lot after we left. [06:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Me too. [06:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I felt like all sorts of emotions, which I think was I wasn't expecting that. I thought it would be like touching, maybe, and silly. I thought I'd laugh and maybe cry. But I thought about it for the entire weekend. I do want to see it again and I was just really touched and really moved, thinking of different parts. I think that's also why I want to see it again, because I think I'll pick up on maybe some more things or some moments, some things that I didn't catch. [06:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Yeah. I mean, I am astounded by the writing and the dialogue and how it is just so I feel like just really spot on in exploring the female know, by going from Barbie world to the real world, then back to Barbie world and just the way it sort of touches on the idea of feminism. And I was really surprised that they did such a good job because I think Barbie is so polarizing and they sort of addressed it in a really direct way, but then also just addressed the complex human experience that comes from being a woman in today's world. And I just thought especially right now in the political climate with the overturning of Roe versus Wade, it's just so great, I guess, to have something in your face on the screen that the masses are consuming. Right. I just really loved, you know, this. [07:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Movie has been being worked on for years and so one of the things I thought was kind of funny was the Supreme Court justices all being female and then in real life, Supreme Court Justices making some decisions that would probably not happen in Barbie land. [07:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly. And just it was so the it was just so witty and humorous, but so spot on. And I just am always so impressed, know, writers, directors, actors can really do like I feel like that's really hard, but is like a really smart way of using a mature defense mechanism, humor, to explore really difficult, complex, gritty issues. Right. And so for them to be able to do that also in such a visually appealing, campy, fun way was just really smart. I feel like there will be college classes analyzing this movie. [08:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. That's a good so I noticed a little flavor of dialectical behavioral therapy in something that Greta Gerwig had said in an interview that she said about the movie. So I'm going to read it. I'm interested in how life is complicated and messy and that there is nothing that's either or either good or bad, but it's mostly both. It can be all these things at once. And I think that is a what you said before and kind of narrates the human experience. [09:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [09:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's like everything we feel, all these emotions, everyone will experience know, excitement. And it's like that was that end scene where she's like, you just have to feel and it's like everything it's so overwhelming, right. [09:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And also just so overwhelming to see stereotypical Barbie or Margot Robbie's character, right. Main Barbie, see that evolution, right. From feeling just good at the beginning. Like in Barbie. [09:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everything's perfect. [09:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Everything's perfect. And that's it. That's all, you know, to starting to realize something's off, like when her feet are flat, to becoming human and choosing that life. Right? Whereas initially, she wanted to go back to where things were just all good and everything was perfect. And then eventually she came to see, like, no, actually, I do want that richer experience. So as we were in the movie, I was jotting down some quotes because I'm a reporter, I guess you could say. And so some of these quotes that they said, I think, really speak to what you're saying. Portia when Margot Robbie said something like that felt achy but good. I think she was trying to describe crying and sadness. And at one point, she's and the release, the release of it, and she was I i just started crying. Like, first one tear came, then a whole lot came, I think, as people are trying to talk to her about what it's like to be human and she's really scared of change, I feel like, is everyone or just people with anxiety? [10:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think everyone is. [10:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think everyone. And then if you have an anxiety disorder that's probably a little higher or you might feel that a little more deeply, but at some point, someone says to her that's all life is, is change. And she says, that's terrifying. And I was like, whoa. [10:42] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [10:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was like but I just loved watching her evolution and becoming a human and that whole video montage of women and their children and just women over life. And I guess I was reading that comes from the casting crew. Those are all, like, home movies. How beautiful. [11:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I've watched that scene, obviously, I guess, Pirated online, like, multiple times where she's crying. [11:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have to emotionally prepare to rewatch it. [11:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So like you've mentioned before, when Margot Robbie stereotypical Barbie is in Barbie land, at the beginning, it's all very happy, right? Like, Good morning, Barbie. Morning, Barbie. [11:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Morning, Barbie. [11:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, you know, everyone's smiling. Everything is working perfectly. The outfits are immaculate and stunning, and I want them all in my you know, you see her kind of getting up for the day, getting ready, going, everything's falling into place. [11:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did love that there was, like, no water. There's nothing in her cup. It's just so funny. It's like she is the doll, right? And she's being played with. It's just, like, so funny. [11:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, that's so true. Because later we right. Like, the milk goes sour, and then when she's in the real world, the water goes all over and she's like. [11:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I'm not used to anything coming out of that yet. When she was talking to Will Ferrell as the CEO of Mattel, that was funny. Yeah. But what was your thought from the get go of seeing all the Barbies? [12:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It seemed really joyful and peaceful and like everyone's just saying what they think everyone's saying it in a kind way, but right when we see the scene in the Oval Office when somebody's complimenting someone else, they're not like, saying thank you or oh, no, that's not true. They're just saying, like, yeah, I worked hard, right. [12:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: When the Barbie won the Nobel Priest prize, she was like, I deserve this. I thought that was really interesting, too. There's a lot of diversity in the cast in terms of race, nationality, skin color, body type. Less so with body type, but it was there. I loved midge. I loved how they did pull in these random Barbies from the past that probably none of us have heard of but really did exist. And they were so funny. [12:54] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like midge, the pregnant Barbie, total tongue in cheek because they're like calling out themselves, which everyone who was on the film, including Will Ferrell, I think he was like, this looks like a great script, but Mattel's never going to let us do this, right? And they did, and it was so like, I think what a huge risk that paid off for Mattel to let them kind of be poked fun at. And ultimately, I think it really landed well for them. Right? [13:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I just thought that was totally and so we had like midge, the pregnant Barbie, and they were like, oh, she didn't sell well. [13:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Pregnant dolls are just weird. [13:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then we had Alan played by. [13:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Michael Stera, who just right. [13:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess it was like Ken's friend, who also didn't really sell well. But you see him just like popping in and out here and there and he's so funny. [13:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: There was a know, I think, hint maybe of that, like he could have been like a gay character. He also seemingly, at least throughout the film, it was very clear that he was like an ally to the Barbies. So I just thought that was clever. And I also just love his. I love Michael Cera. [14:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [14:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So funny. [14:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's so funny. [14:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then I thought another risk that they kind of called out, but again, it landed in a really good way, was weird Barbie. [14:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [14:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So, like, weird Barbie had been played with really know, haircut dyed, which I think everyone can relate to Barbie. [14:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was surprised there was only one weird Barbie and all these other normal Barbies, but again, I thought that was so funny and how they were able to start telling the story about how these Barbies are like being played with. There is this connection between Barbie land and the children playing with the Barbies in the real world. [14:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. And Kate McKinnon's. Hilarious. I love that she's always stuck in splits, which again, you do that with your just I don't know how they got that so right. Of course, because people played with Barbies who wrote the Barbie movie. But that was the stuff that I was just laughing at and then them, like, whispering, like, weird barbie, like, you don't want to be like her, but if you were down, you have to go see her. [14:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So then they were kind of mean. Right? So in Barbie land, it's all, like, kind of perfect, but very superficial. [15:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But if you're not perfect, then you're like othered. [15:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I feel like isn't that the major criticism of Barbie? Right, that she has this unattainable body type and makes little girls feel bad about themselves? Right? Right. And so that sort of is already touching on that in a really smart way. And then when Margot Robbie's Barbie, she loses her high heel feet, they become flat, and she starts falling, and everything's starting to go wrong and she doesn't like it, then she has to go see Weird Barbie. And here I feel like if we really zoom out and think about Margot Robbie's development in this film as being parallel to the psychological development from childhood to adulthood I feel like when she first goes to see Weird Barbie and is presented with the two shoes, the stiletto or the birkenstock, which I thought was hilarious I feel like that is Toddlerhood. It's like one or the other, right? She can't integrate both yet whereas at the very end, when she's fully actualized and a full mature human, she's wearing pink birkenstocks, right? So it's like, even just this silly but concrete way of depicting incorporating both elements into your personality as Weird Barbie is trying to tell her, like, no, you got to pick the birkenstock and go to the real world. I felt like it was like negotiating with a toddler, like, presenting them with a choice, but there's really not a yep. And I was just like, this is perfect. We see her as being in the all good land, having some negative feelings. I died laughing. When they're like, at the dance party, she's like, do you guys ever think about dying? And everyone stops and she's like, oh, just kidding. But she's starting to dance or something. Yeah, it was so perfect. And then she doesn't know what to do with these negative things, so she has to go to Weird Barbie, who's giving her this choice, but it's not really a choice. And then she's on this quest to the real world. And I was just like, oh, my God. This fascinating. [17:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's also why we can't ignore, right? Like, when things aren't going well, right? Ignore anxiety. You can't ignore poor family dynamics. You can't ignore a mood disorder brewing. Like, you have to kind of go see someone. I am Weird Barbie. You come see me. So are you. And we then sit in it with you. Sitting it with you. We go on this journey with you. It's so beautiful so that you can be well and then make a choice at the end that is authentic to you. Authentic. And then you are like, your best self, which means you experience all emotions. That doesn't mean that you're perfect and you're never sad. [17:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. Or that you never feel anxiety again, or you never feel sadness again. 100%. And even thinking about that portia the journey to the real world, how they have to go in the little car and then on a spaceship in the camper, she goes in all of her Barbie vehicles. I thought that was so cute. But also, if we're staying with this theme, that we are the Weird Barbie. As the Therapist Barbie, you do go on a journey, right, to try to become your most authentic self, your most well self. Which, again, doesn't mean you never have bad days or episodic episodes of difficult feelings and stuff like that. But you do kind of go on this journey. What did you think of Ken in Barbie land initially? [18:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So if the Barbies were one dimensional already in that land, like, the KENS are I don't even know, like zero one dimension, where are they? [18:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Where do they live? [18:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Where do they sleep at night? No one knows. [18:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: No one cares. [18:56] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No one knows. But I would say that I thought it was so funny how so much of what Barbie said impacted, you know, Ken number. Gosling. [19:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really? [19:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Really? It seems like, likes, loves I don't know, Barbie. [19:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's unclear. Is it genuine, or does he just feel like that's what his role to play? [19:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So she gives him some feedback, right? That's, like, positive. And he's like he lights right up. [19:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's like, really? Wow. [19:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: His whole day is made. His whole life is made. And then he tries to show off even more for her, which I think is also kind of like a real life thing. Sometimes we get a little over our heads trying to impress someone, like when. [19:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: They'Re at the dance scene, but then all the KENS come in and start dancing, and he feels really threatened. [19:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then the beach scene where he goes into the rock wave, and then all the Barbies come and they help him, and then he's fixed right away. [19:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Which, again, it's like Barbie land. [19:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You just snap their leg back into place, and they're know. Ken. Ken's were just like I was curious how they were going to fit in or how it was going to become more in depth or important to the story. It felt, like, really silly and just, again, kind of like flat, like no dimension, which I think is what Ken. [20:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Brings to the table in original Barbie land. Right? He's just the sidekick I loved when I mean Gosh, Ryan Gosling, like, playing this. Like, I think we all love Ryan Gosling all the time, no matter what. [20:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So listen to this. I heard on Hoda and Jenna, I was watching that yesterday, and they were kind of laughing because Ryan Gosling had initially, before the movie came out, gotten a lot of feedback for, like, you're too old to play. Not they were envisioning. [20:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're not like the hot guy anymore, right? [20:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Who played Austin Butler, who was Elvis Young. That guy. A guy who's in Euphoria who's like the hot guy, either of them. And it was funny because it was the first time that a guy had been called out publicly too old for a role. And how interesting is it in the movie Barbie? There's all these other themes. So anyway, though, they said, I think it landed really well, everyone who had said that was like, I was wrong and I think perfect. [21:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: I also think those young guys I don't think could do it. I feel like you have to have the life experience and be able to wrap your head around it in a different way, to have been able to perform the role the way Ryan Gosling did. Which, again, was like, perfect comedic timing, but, like you said, had all these elements of tenderness and insecurity and codependency that just shine through despite the again, like, how do they put this together. [21:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In such a perfect all he says is, hi, Barbie. But you can just see his urgency for her to pay attention to him and him trying to catch her eye and bolstering his chest, all of that. Yes, I think someone could attempt to do. But Ryan Gosling just nailed it on the head. [21:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And again, the comedic side, but also the tender, authentic, insecure side at the same just I was so impressed. And he's like, so handsome. So that never hurts to objectify him since women have been objectified for decades and centuries and will continue to be. But that is a really interesting point. I hadn't read about that. [22:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So he kind of goes along with her right, for the ride, which ironically, it was just interesting. If you're thinking he's codependent on her, of course he needs to go because he can't be alone in Barbieland without her. [22:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And I just have to address the scene where he wants to have a sleepover. He's like, well, boyfriend girlfriend, I should sleep over. And she's like, why? And then he's like, well, I don't know what we would do, actually. It's just so funny. And then I loved when she was like, but this is my dream house every night's girls night, so I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah. And then she goes into her dream house and they're all like, woohoo Barbie. And it's just like you get the sense it's like a sleepover every single night in Barbie land. And isn't there a part of you that would love yeah, right. [22:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And she does it in a way that it's like dismissing Ken, but it's kind and it's direct. And there's not all these millions of sorrys. And it's not mean. It's not like, no, I don't want you here. It's just like, I'm with my friends and I'm going to go now because this is my house, really firm. And I think when we see later in the movie. The Barbies are never mean cruel. Putting the KENS down intentionally. And then we see the KENS do that when Kendom comes to be that's a great point. [23:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. She's, like, turning him down in a direct, assertive, but kind not aggressive way. She's just, like, speaking her truth. But he does take it really hard and feels really dismissed and brushed aside. And that comes up later in Kendall. Right. So that's just sort of this interesting dynamic. Right away, I did feel like he was really codependent on her, like he didn't have his own identity outside of her. It was always, like, trying to rise up and be good enough for her or feel like her equal. And I just think that's so funny because Barbie is about Barbie and Ken's just like the I guess there's, like that was in all the marketing. And it's just really funny because we. [24:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: All know at least I did, like, a million Barbies. I think I maybe had one. [24:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe one ever. And I think maybe Ken had a little brother. I don't know. Then there's Alan. Who knew? Who knew? [24:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I would love to have Alan now. [24:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, me too. [24:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I wonder if there I know there's I'm sure tons of Barbie collectors. I have a lot of Barbies in boxes still. [24:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: You didn't bring them to the movies? [24:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, it'd be huge. I think I got one every year for Christmas. They're all, like, the anniversary ones. You did not take them out of the box. [24:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Big dresses. Yes. [24:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so I'm wondering who has the Allen one? Is anyone out there? [24:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I bet it's worth a lot. Like, right now, I had one of those, too, that I did take out and give to my daughter. [24:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, that's nice of you. [24:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [24:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I'd probably be able to do, like I don't know. [24:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess I'll have to make that decision. Yeah. It was like the Christmas Barbie, I guess, in your defense, the box broke, so it was already open. It's a much easier choice. [25:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But anyway, so when we get to the real world, which is where we all yes. [25:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, they see the billboard of Miss Universe and Margot Robbie's like, oh, look, the Supreme Court justice is just like all of that stuff was so funny to me. And then when she's, like, looking for somewhere safe to land, and she's like, oh, construction site. That's where I'll find the women. And I was just like, oh, no, here we go. Here we right. [25:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [25:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: And, like, right away, I wrote it down. They get there, and they're walking down. Where are they? [25:35] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Roller skating. Roller skating. [25:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the way they're able to bring in all the little Barbie props are so funny. And they're roller skating, and everyone's know Leering at Barbie, and she feel I feel ill at ease. And Ken goes, I feel admired, but not oggled. I was like, those two sentences speak to the difference of living in the world as a female versus living in the world as a white man, too. [26:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it's not right. It's not most of the time, overt. So I think that's where a lot of people who don't experience this have a harder time understanding, well, they didn't come up to you and slap your behind. It's like but you can feel people oggling you in an icky way. [26:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [26:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And, yes, you could be like, yeah, of course this didn't happen directly to me. It wasn't over. But there's so much covert ickiness out there, and I think that that's what that moment really, for me encapsulated, because Ken just felt right, like, good and finally was yeah, exactly. [26:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: She had started feeling, like, some complicated feelings in Barbie land, and now that just continues. And then there's like, what I'm sure will become the famous lines about the genitals, where she's just like, we have no genitals. [27:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But why did she think to say that? Right? [27:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Probably to disarm these oggling men, but she knew, push them away. [27:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I'm taking leaps here, but as this doll knew right away that that's what was being looked at, leared at, thought of. [27:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: So then eventually, we see Barbie finally ends up at the school where Sasha, played by Ariana Greenblatt, is sort of having lunch with her friends. And leading up to that, we started to see some flashes of Sasha playing with her Barbies over the years. Right. And I think that was what weird barbie was trying to tell her is like, you have to go find this little girl and make it right. This little girl, the reason you're feeling these things is because that's what the child who's playing with you is feeling, and you have to go and make it right and come back to Barbie Lamb, put it all back to how it was. So she comes up to her at school, which I thought, first of all, there's going to be, like, a security guard, a metal detector, hopefully, at school these days, we can imagine this woman dressed like a pink cowgirl, barbie. Just like, walking up to you and Sasha being like, who is this woman with a delusional disorder that she's Barbie. Right? And Barbie just goes off into this monologue and, like, slings it right back at her and I think really delivers all the criticisms of Barbie through the years very quickly, in a succinct way. Right. And then we see, like, react to it and be like, what we didn't fix like I thought we did. I thought we showed women you could be whatever you want. You don't just have to be a mother and a wife, but if you want to do that, that's fine. But you can be a doctor, you can be a lawyer, you can get the Nobel Peace Prize, you can be a teacher, and then you're kind of huh. You're right. Yeah. [28:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then Barbie starts to. Continue to be more and more emotional, right? Starts to cry, leaking, which made me think of, like, the grinch. [28:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: What is um and then she's really upset. And during all of this, Ken is discovering the patriarchy at the school library, gets books on horses, and he sees all these men. He's, like, imitating their arm gestures and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, my God, this is hilarious. But I see where this is going, and this is perfect. And he's just discovering this whole new world where men rule. And he goes in, right, to all these different places of work. I was obviously struck when he's talking to the female doctor and is like, I need to do a surgery. Give me the tools. And she's like, you didn't go to medical school. You can't do that. And he's like, Show me the real doctor. Let me talk to the boss. And she's like, I'm the boss. And he just walks by her. And I was like, security. But oh, my God. Portia I'm sure you can imagine as a female physician, all the times you just get assumed you're not the doctor. And any man walking know, people look at with this reverence and authority automatically just because they're a man. It just spoke to that so perfectly. [30:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I bet. [30:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then he's like, going into the office building, and I want a high. [30:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Paying position of power. [30:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the guy's like, well, you don't have an MBA. You don't have a degree. We can't just give you that. And he's like, I thought this is the patriarchy. And he's like, well, yeah, but we just have to do it a little more fly these days. [30:25] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought that was funny. [30:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. And so then eventually we find that Mattel gets word that Barbie escaped, right? And then things are like, up in arms, and it turns out the other main character, America Ferrari's character, who's the mom, Gloria in the film. This is where we meet her. What did you think about her character? [30:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked it. I didn't know where it was going at first. For some reason, I thought she was like a Barbie creator because she was drawing the sketches. It seems like maybe she was in more like of a secretarial position. And then we find out that she's the one who's connected to stereotypical Barbie memories. And then I loved that it kind of was showing us that scene again, all from her perspective. So now she's in it again. [31:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought that was really sweet, and. [31:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It was sad because of her emotions, but it just spoke to the transitions of motherhood, I would imagine, right? From having a newborn where you're their lifeline continuing all the way up to an adolescent who's kind of pushing back and having more autonomy and pushing you away and rejecting you. [31:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. That was really beautiful. And then we come to find that there's this parallel process going on between her existential crisis, raising an adolescent, and sort of trying to figure out who she is and where does she fit in now, and Barbie's existential crisis and that they're actually the ones that are connected. And it's almost like Barbie's starting to feel all the emotions the mom's feeling, and I guess kind of weird for, like, an adult woman to start playing with Barbies again, but makes sense for, I guess, the plot of the film. [32:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, no, that's true, actually. [32:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe that's kind of like me bringing Barbies to lunch and not really, but. [32:08] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think she said that she was cleaning out the basement or something, and she found some and she kept it donated or throw it away. [32:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. And she's the one who's been drawing, like, Deaths Barbie, right. Like, what did she call it? Irresistible thoughts of death. Cellulite. Barbie depressed thoughts of cellulite. [32:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which was interesting, which we didn't comment on, which was part of Weird Barbie's. [32:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [32:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, push. He's like, well, if you choose the birkenstock and you fix this, you won't have cellulite. [32:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And it's like, okay, fine. Now I'll go which, again, I think is a tongue in cheek sort of reference to Barbie's, like, perfect body and how that's so important to Barbie. Right. [33:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So then Mattel is really upset that Barbie is in the real world. So why do you think that? Is? It because you do you think that Mattel, besides the obvious ways that they're being nefarious, is nefarious with kind of, like, the patriarchy? Did you get that vibe? I did, a little bit, 100%. [33:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: I mean, they're all men, like, on the board, right? The only woman we see is Gloria, who does seem like a secretary. She's kept out of the big, important meetings that only the men can go to. I think when Barbie finally gets there, she's like, where's your boss? Let me meet her. Where is she? I can't wait to meet her. And they're like, well, I'm the boss. And I think they say, like, well, we did have one CEO, I think, like, a long time ago. Right. I loved that scene where she's like, well, who does the money? Me? [33:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: This man? [33:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: And all of it is run by men. I, first of all, love Will Ferrell more than anything in the world, so anything he's in, I love it. And I thought he did a really good job. It's really funny, but yeah, they really wanted Barbie back in her box. I feel like that is just, again, not wanting Barbie to be more complicated than they want to see her and. [34:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In control of her. [34:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: They want to be in control of her. And I do think one interesting sort of criticism I've been reading about this movie is, if you think about it right, like, yes, it's doing great in the box office. Lots of themes about feminism and the female experience. Again, still from a white woman's perspective, which I think it's important to acknowledge. And at the same time, Mattel is making so much money from doing this. They have all these other movies in development, like one about polypocket that's going to be directed by Lena Dunham, I. [34:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Think, with Lily Collins. [34:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yep. And so they have a ton of things in development that I'm sure are going to move ahead now that this was so successful. And there's been some criticisms, like, okay, so Mattel is this huge corporate giant, right? Like, how many female filmmakers have been trying to push forward stories and movies and ideas about the female experience, but no one wanted to listen until there's this big corporate company that's made all this money from a doll who's a stereotypical female, right. Only now we can listen to women and learn about the female experience. I don't know. I just think it's an interesting thing to think about, and I feel like it is a valid criticism. But then you kind of see that tension here. So I kind of agree with you, Portia, that I felt like the film as a whole did a good job addressing the tension about this Uber. Maybe not Uber, but this film really touching on difficult topics about feminism, using Barbie. But again, that's like, the whole point. [35:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think it would have flopped if. [35:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Was. [35:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Shown in a good, positive light in the you know, and I think one of the reasons that it's, like, based on what you're saying is because the movie, in an unironic way, slams Mattel. But I'm curious now. Okay, show me your board, Mattel. [36:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. That's what I mean, right? It's like, is this are you the same board that we're seeing in the how exactly how much is art imitating life? Like, what is Mattel doing behind the scenes? What have they not I don't know. That's not common. Just but again, it raises a lot of interesting questions. [36:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I got anxious when she was standing. She was like, happy to go back. [36:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: In the put those little plastic ties. [36:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: She goes in the box. And again, those were so funny because that's how your Barbie comes, right? And they start twisting them, and it's getting tighter. See her hands? And she's like, something about this doesn't feel good anymore. [36:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Good for ghetto. Ghetto good for you. Like staying in touch with your inner. [37:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Authentic feelings Barbie and picking up on which is a female experience because of our life experiences. Having that third eye, right? Like being a woman. And something about that table over there is giving me weird vibes. Or having to cover your drink or having your key in your hand when you're walking to your car. It's like she started having zero ever experienced that in Barbieland to pick up on that. And I quickly that's just how I interpreted that scene. [37:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I totally agree. And that she had the confidence to listen to that and not I think maybe because she came from Barbie land, where you are just confident and you're not apologizing for your feelings. They just are what they are. She didn't start invalidating herself, which I think a lot of women are socially conditioned to do. Right? Like, you might feel something's off, but then you're like, oh, I'm just being sensitive, or, that can't be. There's something wrong with me, when it's like, no, you're picking up on something accurate in your environment. So then she escapes and hijinks ensue and her and Gloria and Sasha go back to Barbie land and what do they see? Ken has already returned and taken over. The patriarchy is flying high. [38:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Horses are everywhere. [38:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: I love that they put TVs in every room of Barbie land with horses on them. And then this is like, oh, no, Barbie land is turned into the real world. Like, all the Barbies are being objectified and wearing really tight clothes and serving the men and brainwashed almost. Right. And it happened so quickly. And we see Barbie and Gloria and Sasha just like, dumbfounded. Right? And what did you think about Kendom? [38:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was really in a silly way, like really know, like the TVs and just like their interest being so stereotypically, like know. Let's also say that there's many men who are wonderful and allies and not objectifying women and so on and so forth. [39:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like Alan. [39:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like Alan, but in the real world. But this was just like such a silly way of calling it out. [39:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [39:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I loved the horses being the yes, but like and it wasn't like it could have been Ken's, and that would have been the same thing, right? Like, they replaced the Barbie, so it was like horses. It was like really and the hummers and everything's tricked out and lifted and so big. Yeah. [39:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: And they got a mini fridge full of their snacks and they got the saloon doors. It was just so funny and over the top. But you just see how he just starts to really relate to Barbie in this icky way. And interestingly. I felt like he was still so co dependent on her, but now it was like the roles are reversed. Right. Like before, in original Barbie land, he just wanted her approval to feel good enough, and now he has to put her down to feel good enough. So it's still kind of the same dynamic, just like two different sides of the same coin. [40:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And commenting on, I think, right. That idea of, oh, he's mean to. [40:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: You because he likes you. [40:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. So it's like we even see that when she's faking to go to the beach and have him play the guitar for her and he walks away. [40:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [40:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: He's like, oh, maybe, or you're my what does he call her? You're my part time sometimes there whatever. [40:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're my friend. Yes. And then you're like my long term low commitment girlfriend. [40:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Low commitment. But he is excited, right? He goes away and he's like sublime. And that does happen even with, I think between both. Men can do it to women, women can do it to men, so on and so forth. Everyone does it to each other. It's like little games. It's like the gamey thing with dating, right? Like, I'm not going to text you for three days, which just it's hard because if someone's playing the game, it's hard to not but I think just no one should play the game. If you really like someone, text them when you get home. I had a great time, let's go out again. If you don't say, I think you. [41:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Had a great time, but let's stay friends or something. And in that way, in original Barbie land, communication was more direct and innocent. And now things are getting all warped and topsy turvy, and then they decide they have to get all these Barbies back. And I was a little disappointed that it did involve, again, using themselves as sexual objects to kind of distract the KENS to turn them all against each other. I don't know what was your thoughts about that? [41:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Definitely was like, icky. I wish there'd been a different right? [41:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [41:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Why did they choose that way? Is it commenting on that? That's like currency, right? We talked about white lotus last week, and sex is currency. And that's where in now Kendom, like Barbie, you do have power. And we see that in the real world of but like, I'm wondering if it was intentionally supposed to be cringy, right? [42:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, if it's like yeah, in the real world, that is your only power. Now Barbie is to use your body and your sexual power to distract them in order to have the vote and turn it back to Barbie land. That was the part I was like, oh, I wish they'd been able to get it back some other way. [42:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [42:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I did love when they're all strumming their little guitars and I don't know the song that they picked. [42:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I did. [42:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I recognize it, but I don't know. [42:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The name of it. [42:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know who sings it, but it was like, I want to push you around. And it's like aggressive if you think about, like, a man singing that to a woman. Right. [42:40] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's not like a romantic song. [42:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's aggressive. [42:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Don't do that. [42:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: But perfect for Kendom and all the horses. [42:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So all the Barbies seem to be brainwashed and they get pulled out of it through Gloria, right. So Gloria has this monologue that she talks about, which I think resonated with a lot of people. We heard some, like, woohoo in the theater. [43:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sure. [43:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So I thought that was nice. I did really like and we kind of made eye contact when she was talking about body image, and I really, really liked that because before right. They were kind of like I think, again, just pointing out not aging and not having cellulite before. And that's why kind of Barbie Land was like, oh, there's old people in the real world. What is you know, the woman then is like, you're beautiful. And she's like, I know. [43:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I really like woman at the bus stop. [43:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So one of the lines is you have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but you also have to be thin. It's just impossible thinking of every single person, really. Especially, I think, for women, the expectations of your body in the real world is just so hard to live with and so challenging. [43:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [43:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And the messages come early from Barbie, right? [43:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [43:59] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And from TV and everything that's around you and from even parenting. [44:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [44:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, a lot of if your parents are making comments about their bodies, even if they would never know their kids, it's all such a message that I think it's right. Like, you can't be too thin, but you can't be too fat and you can't talk about your weight if someone compliments you. [44:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [44:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I'm fat and I'm feeling so bad about myself. You're fishing for those. No, you're fine. I think we could have explored that in a whole movie of its it. [44:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: You know, it was necessary given, like you said, the criticisms about Barbie and her unattainable body type all along. And I was glad they didn't shy away from that. I was also glad in that monologue, which was so moving, that they also drew comparisons to just the female emotional experience. [44:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [44:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, that is a female experience. You can't be to this or to that. You have to just be this version of a woman. And it's just an impossible standard. And why can't you just be angry or be sad or be anxious or be happy or be confident? Like you said in original Barbie Land, no one's apologizing and then they start to and I just feel like that so speaks to what it's like to be a woman. And it's annoying. [45:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked you're supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you're supposed to because of sisterhood. You're supposed to always stand out and always be grateful. It's impossible just going back and forth. But I think too, I just watched the documentary on Amazon. It came out a little while ago about the family that used to have a show, 18 kids and counting, or 20 kids and counting. And it's a lot of kids they talk a lot about, just like in a lot of religious organizations. Right. You have to be careful of your dress code so that you are not tempting men. [45:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I think that's even like in public school. [45:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, yeah, the straps and the shorts length, all that stuff. And it's just like, it's not our responsibility to make men feel like they don't want to sexual assault someone or keep your thoughts to yourself. We all we all should also they. [46:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Should also learn how to manage those feelings. Right. It's okay, right? And girls are going to have those feelings about boys or other girls, too. [46:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, you can think, wow, that person is attractive, and move on. And then if you feel bad about that, take that up with your God and be sorry for it. But it's not your fault. It's not that person's fault that you found them attractive. [46:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [46:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Anyway, back to Barbie. [46:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, I mean, I feel though I think we touched a little bit about this when we were covering you, which is like, all roads lead back to you because that's such a good show. But when we were talking about stalking and sexual harassment, oftentimes when women finally do seek help, they're often shamed or told, like, well, you kind of asked for it. Or I remember when I was in college, I had, I guess, a stalker. It was kind of weird. And I went to the student police, and their only advice was, when you go to class where that boy is in your class, you should wear really baggy clothes and don't wear makeup. And that was it. That was the advice to keep me safe. It wasn't like, oh, yeah, we should take this one out of your class. We should maybe move him to a different dorm, anything like that. It was like, you need to change your appearance. And so I think that perfectly speaks to what you're saying. [47:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And again, it's just not that hard. We talked about consent in American Pie, that episode, and it's just really not that hard of an idea to come around. Someone might be into you at one point, and guess what? They might not be into you in another. And, like, you have to deal with that. [47:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I loved that. With Barbie, it finally know as we come to the end of Know, the Barbies vote in Congress because they've distracted the boys and they get Barbie land back. But then at the end, Margot, Robbie's character wants to be human. She wants more than just Barbie. She wants to feel all those human experiences. She doesn't want to leave Gloria and Sasha. And she talks to the creator of Barbie, played by Ree Pearlman, who was just like, it was so sweet to hear her talk about and I loved how she was like, yeah, they had some tax evasion issues, but that's another movie. But just saying, like, are you sure you want to be human? Are you sure? And then it comes out when she tells Ken, I don't love you. I don't like you. You're a great person, but I don't feel that way toward you. And they could have an honest conversation about how he felt kind of rejected and dismissed and stuff like that, which was, I thought, great for a man character to be able to say right. To be honest about that in a direct, also respectful way, rather than the way he was treating her in Kendom, which was, like, icky and passive aggressive. [48:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And demeaning and I think really contradicts the kind of general critique of a lot of people that I'm irritated with on the Internet, saying that Barbie is demasculating. And I think the end really does the opposite of that. Right. [49:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: If you have an open mind. Right. [49:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, to me, it's really clear she's apologizing for him feeling dismissed. So it's like, I see that we were maybe treating you like you felt like you didn't matter and like, you do, and I don't love you. [49:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's okay. And both can be true. [49:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I understand that people have a hard time opening their mind to different things, but just to me, it's like that scene contradicts their criticism of so, like, did you stay for the whole movie? [49:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And also, I think it depends on your definition of masculinity, which, again, this film isn't only sort of addressing feminism and the female experience, although I feel like that's the main point, which is, you know, Ryan Gosling's depiction of Ken really touches on the themes of masculinity so well. And I feel like at the end, he comes to find that he can be sensitive and have those types of feelings and express them directly to someone who will listen and validate. Right. He doesn't have to be like a macho man like he was in Kendom. He can just be himself. And maybe he doesn't want his job to be beach. Okay? [50:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Maybe he wants to ride horses. [50:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe. And that's what he says. He's like, I just really like the horses. But in that way, I think that is isn't that also part of masculinity? Can't our boys be sensitive and sweet and not feel like you have to lose all of that to be a man in today's society? I feel like that's another issue these days that they did touch on, I thought, in a really thoughtful way. [50:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. Yeah. [50:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: And so at the end, Barbie chooses to become human, right. She assumes the name of the original creator of Barbie's daughter, which I thought was sweet. We see her get out of the car in her pink birkenstock, so she is fully, actualized, holding on to good and bad, conflicting all the parts of herself. All the parts of herself. It's so great. And we see her going in to sign in for something. What did you think she was going? [51:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was a job interview. [51:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought it was a driver's license. [51:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Okay. [51:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was the gynecologist. And I could not, because she now has a ******, an agency, an autonomy. And I was just like, perfect ending. I just died. [51:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so unexpected that I think laughs you're like, what? I'm so funny. [51:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: So funny, but perfect. She was so happy to be there, right? And again, I just think in today's political climate, great job, Greta Gerwig. [51:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And everyone like, I am getting my womanhood taken care. [51:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So any final thoughts, Portia? As we wrap up this episode a. [52:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Little bit, I just wanted to comment on the Depression Barbie commercial. [52:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: How did we forget about depression, Barbie? [52:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So many people on the Internet were like, why did they call me out? So we see. You know, loose terms on the Internet were binging on sweets. It wasn't really binging. It was eating sweets. [52:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: It said an entire family sized starburst. [52:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yep. And then watching reruns of BBC's Pride and Prejudice, and she was like, scrolling. [52:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: Instagram, looking at her estranged BFF's engagement photos. It was so funny. And then they were like, anxiety OCD and panic attack. [52:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Barbie sold separately. [52:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, that was funny. I loved it. And then Gloria finally at the end pitching to Mattel, like, what about just, like, average, like and then again, there's another beautiful monologue by American Ferrara about just, like, the experience of a woman. And I feel like that is she was, like, describing her own experience in a way. And again, Mattel was smart when at first they were like, oh, I don't know if that's going to go well. And then the finance guy's like, those sales will be huge. And they were like, okay, yeah. And I felt like that just also signified. Like, there's still a lot of room to go. We still have a lot of road to cover. But overall, I really loved it. [53:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It gives you a lot to think about. [53:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [53:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And take what you want from it. I think there's a lot of funny themes, and I think it's worth seeing more than once over time. And I'm excited to see it again. I mean, I'm wondering maybe there'll be more tears because I'm already primed, but we'll see. [53:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was so good. Well, thank you for joining us for another episode of Analyze Scripts. Please rate review and subscribe and share with your friends if you're enjoying our content. I did carry around two Barbies as a middle aged woman, so please make it worth it. Make it worth it. 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As always, please call 911 or go directly to your nearest emergency room for any psychiatric emergencies. Thanks for listening and see you next time.

In Season 2 Episode 25 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Sarah Tso from Real Life Monti Mama on what it was like going from 1 to 2 Montessori children!This week we discussed:Ways to prep for 2 children before 2nd baby is bornHow to encourage a relationshipFamily dynamic changesPrepared Montessori Home for 2 childrenand much more!You can find Sarah's resources below!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reallifemontimama---------

In Season 2 Episode 24 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Gloria Lane from Montessori Mama Life!This week we discussed:Teaching 1st grade at public schoolDiscovering Montessori at homeHomeschooling Montessori style LOTS of Montessori tips for the homeand much more!You can find Gloria's resources below!Website: https://montessorimamalife.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/montessorimamalife---------

In Season 2 Episode 23 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Emma, The Montessori Twin Mama!This week we discussed:The reality of raising twin babiesHow Montessori can support your journeyThe uniqueness of each childFloor beds with twinsand more!You can find Emma aka The Montessori Twin Mama's resources below!Website: https://themontessoritwinmama.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themontessoritwinmama/Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGco6QTBX_m2a4ZhxLXwEgw---------

In Season 2 Episode 22 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I we are talking all about some of the non-Montessori things I do with my baby.This week we discussed:The unique Montessori journey of each person3 Non-Montessori things I do with my sonEmpowering you as your child's advocatePromos and gifts coming upand more!

In this heartening episode of the Parenting With Understanding™️ Podcast, journey with Dion and Lisa as they unravel their transformative parenting experiences. Dive deep into their transition from daily toddler clashes to achieving peace, understanding, and genuine connections. Their story brings to life the magic of integrating 'Parenting With Understanding™️' and the profound impact of personalized guidance. Feeling inspired and eager for a similar evolution in your parenting journey? Don't wait. Apply now to the HIC Parenting Education Agency for personalized guidance from your HIC Parenting Coach.

In Season 2 Episode 21 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I we are talking all about some fun Fall ideas and controversies when implementing Montessori at home!This week we discussed:Montessori Fall baby activitiesThe uniqueness of Fall sensoryThe Halloween Controversy DIY Art Ideasand more!

Picky eating is a very common phase children go through, but what happens when it goes past what's “normal” and persists past toodlerhood? I welcome Jennifer Friedman, Registered Pediatric Dietician and picky eating expert, and founder of @feedingpickyeaters to discuss:How our mindset impacts if a picky eater will try new food How to use child-based play to introduce new foods How to bridge preferences with new food exposure SilveretteJoin me and countless other moms who have experienced the incredible difference Silverette Silver Cups can make. Just place them over your nipples in-between breastfeeding, and let them work their magic. The silver cups protect, soothe, and promote healing, all while letting your skin breathe. Remember to buy only the original and authentic Silverette. Visit their website today at Silveretteusa.com and use promo code PEDSDOCTALK to save 10% off your order!Little SpoonLittle Spoon is a one stop shop for healthy, easy mealtime and snacktime for your baby, toddler and big kid, delivered right to your door. Get the BRAND NEW Lunchers - healthy meals with build it yourself lunches your kid will love, like Easy Cheesy Pizza, Chicken Dunkers or Chicken Nacho Dips. Go to littlespoon.com/pedsdoctalk and enter our code PEDSDOCTALK at checkout to get 30% OFF your first Little Spoon order.Learn more about Jennifer Friedman and Feeding Picky Eaters at jennyfriedmannutrition.com, Instagram and Pinterest @feedingpickyeaters

Welcome to an episode dedicated to the beautiful chaos of parenting toddlers as a single mom. It's a journey filled with laughter, learning, and, of course, its fair share of challenges. Balancing the responsibilities of parenthood while guiding your energetic toddler requires a unique set of strategies. In this episode, we're here to lend a helping hand as we delve into the world of toddler parenting and explore practical and effective tips designed especially for single moms. Tune in as we discuss the joys and hurdles of parenting toddlers on your own.  Links mentioned in the episode:  Click the retreat link you are interested in - Byron Bay Retreat and Sydney Retreat Click HERE to join the free Facebook Group, The Single Mother Survival Guide Support Forum.  Click HERE to receive your free guide on exploring practical and effective parenting tips tailored to single mums navigating the energetic and sometimes tumultuous world of toddlerhood. Click HERE to listen to our episode entitled, Asking for Help.  Join the Thrive Tribe waitlist HERE.  Download the E-book – Thirteen single mothers share their struggles, top tips, and their favourite things about being a single mother – HERE. To contact Julia, email: julia@singlemothersurvivalguide.com. Visit us at Single Mother Survival Guide. And join the email list there too. Or connect with Single Mother Survival Guide on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or Pinterest.

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LOL, let me start by saying I love the crap out of my child. There, I gave you the classic mom disclaimer before she starts talking smack about what her child has been up to and how wonky motherhood can get during different seasons. Yes, I adore my almost three-year-old, but also, WOWZA... what happened to the sweet, thoughtful, kind, and affectionate two-year-old I had? He turns three next month, and it's like a flip has been switched...it's wild, and I didn't see it coming. Let's chat all about it! If you haven't seen it, watch my latest reel of me reenacting a recent "playtime" moment between us... YAY for toddler life! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mybestmomfriend/support

Does letting your kids get bored bring up some anxieties for you? Maybe you suffer from mom guilt because you wish you could give them your attention 24/7. We are here to relieve you from this and let you know how amazing boredom can be for our kids!We are living in an on-demand society where we have little to no patience and are constantly looking for a hit of dopamine.Who wants to leave space for boredom when we have TikTok, Instagram reels, youtube shorts, kid's youtube, ipads, iPhones. Well, hopefully after tuning in to today's episode you will find the advantages of boredom are crucial to our kid's brain health and development. Some of my favorite benefits of "boredom" are:Chance to daydream a.k.a. wool-gathering (love that word)time for reflection and instilling altruism builds tolerance for discomfort (learning to step out of their comfort zone increases their growth and success)fosters independent play and thinkingBoredom is crucial for brain health and development so we hope this serves as a reminder to take a deep breathe, leave time for nothing, and try doing less as a family. I cannot imagine being bored... I wish I could feel boredom. Let our kids enjoy that gift while they can!

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are thrilled to analyze Greta Gerwig's BILLION DOLLAR HIT "Barbie." We analyze the film's smart, timely, and campy explorations of femininity and masculinity. We loved exploring Barbie's evolution through a developmental lens and decided that therapists are basically "weird Barbies" helping our patients grow into their most authentic selves. We loved the sprinkling in of so many dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) principles, and the tender moments depicting evolving mother-daughter relationships. Plus, we could watch Ryan Gosling beach all day. We loved this movie and hope you enjoy this episode! Instagram TikTok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Furey, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. [00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to another episode of a podcast hosted by Two Wise Trees. If you didn't catch that reference, we are obviously talking about the new Greta Gerwig film, Barbie. And that was a line in the film at one point, and I just chuckled. Know, we have a podcast now and we're covering it. And we went to the movies all for this. And it was just funny. [01:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And we are two trees basically rooted. [01:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Firmly into the ground. [01:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Secure. [01:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Secure. Stable. Nourishing. With our branches. [01:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Fruitful. [01:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Fruitful. Nice. With our branches just growing and blossoming into the sky where it takes us. I know it could have been a haiku. So anyway, we are really excited to talk about this film today. As it stands right now, we are filming or filming we are recording this episode in late July, and I checked the stats yesterday. Barbie has grossed already over $500 million worldwide. [01:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's incredible. [01:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Incredible. Especially because it's like double what Oppenheimer has grossed. We will also be covering that film a little later on. So that makes me really happy. Yeah, I was really excited when we went to the movies, Portia. And it was packed, packed, packed. Mostly women, but some men as well. And it was a matinee. We went at 01:00. And I just was like, see, Hollywood, you can make female driven material and you will still sell tickets. [02:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was so excited. There was a ton of people wearing pink. It was just so fun. And I felt connected to people in theater. [02:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, right? [02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which I feel like I've never well, I did when I saw the last Harry Potter. [02:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was going to say Harry Potter. [02:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was clapping, everyone dressed up. It was emotional. [02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was an experience. Right. And that's like the joy of going to the movies. And I think you had said to me that you hadn't seen a movie since before COVID and probably then two years before that. So long time. But totally, as you were saying that, it reminded me of when I would go see Harry Potter with my friends, like in high school and yeah, it was like a whole event. And this is totally what that felt like. We were a little bummed that there wasn't the Barbie box. [03:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think it's because we weren't. [03:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: In a major city. [03:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Or even just like a big mega theater, because I know some people who went in another part of our state and they did have the box, but it was like a big complex, like. [03:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Next to a mall, all that stuff. Yeah, well, it was still great. [03:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was bummed. Sorry. [03:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did bring a couple of my daughter's Barbie dolls, which was an interesting thing to be carrying around as an adult woman. We went to lunch beforehand and we had them and it was just interesting, I'll put it that way. Content. [03:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it was silly, but we were probably the youngest people at lunch by like 30 years. [03:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, at a minimum. And I was just curious what they. [04:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Were thinking 100%, because I don't think. [04:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was on their radar that Barbie was coming up. Although maybe, but I don't think so. And then here I am, just slept around with some Barbie dolls in my purse and we're trying to take pictures of them with our drinks. And I did feel weird. [04:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [04:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: But you tell me this is what content is and we're really trying, and you held them. [04:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, yeah, it's fine. I'm not holding them. [04:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: But they were cute. [04:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's funny. So, first impact of the movie, what did you immediately think? Leaving it, just feeling wise? [04:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, I think I was so excited for this movie because I had a feeling it wasn't going to be like Stereotypical Barbie, right. Just because Greta Gerwig was attached. And I had a feeling it was going to be really smart and kind of meta. And that was what I was hoping for, was it would be a commentary on the female experience. And I felt like they totally delivered. I just loved the opening. I loved all of it. But I really loved The Know, where they show all the little girls playing old fashioned dolls and playing mommy and all this stuff. And then all of a sudden there's this big Barbie in her swimsuit and they just start smashing the **** out of these baby dolls. And I just was like, all right, I'm going to like this movie right away. It caught. I just I don't know. I thought it was so campy and funny, but also really know. I cried at the end when Ruth and Stereotypical Barbie were talking and like, wanted to become human, and they were talking all about the complicated human experience. And she said the thing about mothers, stand still so their daughters can see how far they've come. That's when it got me. So I just felt everything and I want to see it again. I already want to see it again. [05:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought about it a lot after we left. [06:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Me too. [06:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I felt like all sorts of emotions, which I think was I wasn't expecting that. I thought it would be like touching, maybe, and silly. I thought I'd laugh and maybe cry. But I thought about it for the entire weekend. I do want to see it again and I was just really touched and really moved, thinking of different parts. I think that's also why I want to see it again, because I think I'll pick up on maybe some more things or some moments, some things that I didn't catch. [06:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Yeah. I mean, I am astounded by the writing and the dialogue and how it is just so I feel like just really spot on in exploring the female know, by going from Barbie world to the real world, then back to Barbie world and just the way it sort of touches on the idea of feminism. And I was really surprised that they did such a good job because I think Barbie is so polarizing and they sort of addressed it in a really direct way, but then also just addressed the complex human experience that comes from being a woman in today's world. And I just thought especially right now in the political climate with the overturning of Roe versus Wade, it's just so great, I guess, to have something in your face on the screen that the masses are consuming. Right. I just really loved, you know, this. [07:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Movie has been being worked on for years and so one of the things I thought was kind of funny was the Supreme Court justices all being female and then in real life, Supreme Court Justices making some decisions that would probably not happen in Barbie land. [07:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly. And just it was so the it was just so witty and humorous, but so spot on. And I just am always so impressed, know, writers, directors, actors can really do like I feel like that's really hard, but is like a really smart way of using a mature defense mechanism, humor, to explore really difficult, complex, gritty issues. Right. And so for them to be able to do that also in such a visually appealing, campy, fun way was just really smart. I feel like there will be college classes analyzing this movie. [08:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. That's a good so I noticed a little flavor of dialectical behavioral therapy in something that Greta Gerwig had said in an interview that she said about the movie. So I'm going to read it. I'm interested in how life is complicated and messy and that there is nothing that's either or either good or bad, but it's mostly both. It can be all these things at once. And I think that is a what you said before and kind of narrates the human experience. [09:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [09:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's like everything we feel, all these emotions, everyone will experience know, excitement. And it's like that was that end scene where she's like, you just have to feel and it's like everything it's so overwhelming, right. [09:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And also just so overwhelming to see stereotypical Barbie or Margot Robbie's character, right. Main Barbie, see that evolution, right. From feeling just good at the beginning. Like in Barbie. [09:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everything's perfect. [09:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Everything's perfect. And that's it. That's all, you know, to starting to realize something's off, like when her feet are flat, to becoming human and choosing that life. Right? Whereas initially, she wanted to go back to where things were just all good and everything was perfect. And then eventually she came to see, like, no, actually, I do want that richer experience. So as we were in the movie, I was jotting down some quotes because I'm a reporter, I guess you could say. And so some of these quotes that they said, I think, really speak to what you're saying. Portia when Margot Robbie said something like that felt achy but good. I think she was trying to describe crying and sadness. And at one point, she's and the release, the release of it, and she was I i just started crying. Like, first one tear came, then a whole lot came, I think, as people are trying to talk to her about what it's like to be human and she's really scared of change, I feel like, is everyone or just people with anxiety? [10:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think everyone is. [10:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think everyone. And then if you have an anxiety disorder that's probably a little higher or you might feel that a little more deeply, but at some point, someone says to her that's all life is, is change. And she says, that's terrifying. And I was like, whoa. [10:42] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [10:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was like but I just loved watching her evolution and becoming a human and that whole video montage of women and their children and just women over life. And I guess I was reading that comes from the casting crew. Those are all, like, home movies. How beautiful. [11:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I've watched that scene, obviously, I guess, Pirated online, like, multiple times where she's crying. [11:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have to emotionally prepare to rewatch it. [11:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So like you've mentioned before, when Margot Robbie stereotypical Barbie is in Barbie land, at the beginning, it's all very happy, right? Like, Good morning, Barbie. Morning, Barbie. [11:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Morning, Barbie. [11:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, you know, everyone's smiling. Everything is working perfectly. The outfits are immaculate and stunning, and I want them all in my you know, you see her kind of getting up for the day, getting ready, going, everything's falling into place. [11:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did love that there was, like, no water. There's nothing in her cup. It's just so funny. It's like she is the doll, right? And she's being played with. It's just, like, so funny. [11:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, that's so true. Because later we right. Like, the milk goes sour, and then when she's in the real world, the water goes all over and she's like. [11:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I'm not used to anything coming out of that yet. When she was talking to Will Ferrell as the CEO of Mattel, that was funny. Yeah. But what was your thought from the get go of seeing all the Barbies? [12:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It seemed really joyful and peaceful and like everyone's just saying what they think everyone's saying it in a kind way, but right when we see the scene in the Oval Office when somebody's complimenting someone else, they're not like, saying thank you or oh, no, that's not true. They're just saying, like, yeah, I worked hard, right. [12:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: When the Barbie won the Nobel Priest prize, she was like, I deserve this. I thought that was really interesting, too. There's a lot of diversity in the cast in terms of race, nationality, skin color, body type. Less so with body type, but it was there. I loved midge. I loved how they did pull in these random Barbies from the past that probably none of us have heard of but really did exist. And they were so funny. [12:54] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like midge, the pregnant Barbie, total tongue in cheek because they're like calling out themselves, which everyone who was on the film, including Will Ferrell, I think he was like, this looks like a great script, but Mattel's never going to let us do this, right? And they did, and it was so like, I think what a huge risk that paid off for Mattel to let them kind of be poked fun at. And ultimately, I think it really landed well for them. Right? [13:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I just thought that was totally and so we had like midge, the pregnant Barbie, and they were like, oh, she didn't sell well. [13:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Pregnant dolls are just weird. [13:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then we had Alan played by. [13:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Michael Stera, who just right. [13:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess it was like Ken's friend, who also didn't really sell well. But you see him just like popping in and out here and there and he's so funny. [13:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: There was a know, I think, hint maybe of that, like he could have been like a gay character. He also seemingly, at least throughout the film, it was very clear that he was like an ally to the Barbies. So I just thought that was clever. And I also just love his. I love Michael Cera. [14:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [14:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So funny. [14:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's so funny. [14:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then I thought another risk that they kind of called out, but again, it landed in a really good way, was weird Barbie. [14:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [14:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So, like, weird Barbie had been played with really know, haircut dyed, which I think everyone can relate to Barbie. [14:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was surprised there was only one weird Barbie and all these other normal Barbies, but again, I thought that was so funny and how they were able to start telling the story about how these Barbies are like being played with. There is this connection between Barbie land and the children playing with the Barbies in the real world. [14:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. And Kate McKinnon's. Hilarious. I love that she's always stuck in splits, which again, you do that with your just I don't know how they got that so right. Of course, because people played with Barbies who wrote the Barbie movie. But that was the stuff that I was just laughing at and then them, like, whispering, like, weird barbie, like, you don't want to be like her, but if you were down, you have to go see her. [14:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So then they were kind of mean. Right? So in Barbie land, it's all, like, kind of perfect, but very superficial. [15:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But if you're not perfect, then you're like othered. [15:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I feel like isn't that the major criticism of Barbie? Right, that she has this unattainable body type and makes little girls feel bad about themselves? Right? Right. And so that sort of is already touching on that in a really smart way. And then when Margot Robbie's Barbie, she loses her high heel feet, they become flat, and she starts falling, and everything's starting to go wrong and she doesn't like it, then she has to go see Weird Barbie. And here I feel like if we really zoom out and think about Margot Robbie's development in this film as being parallel to the psychological development from childhood to adulthood I feel like when she first goes to see Weird Barbie and is presented with the two shoes, the stiletto or the birkenstock, which I thought was hilarious I feel like that is Toddlerhood. It's like one or the other, right? She can't integrate both yet whereas at the very end, when she's fully actualized and a full mature human, she's wearing pink birkenstocks, right? So it's like, even just this silly but concrete way of depicting incorporating both elements into your personality as Weird Barbie is trying to tell her, like, no, you got to pick the birkenstock and go to the real world. I felt like it was like negotiating with a toddler, like, presenting them with a choice, but there's really not a yep. And I was just like, this is perfect. We see her as being in the all good land, having some negative feelings. I died laughing. When they're like, at the dance party, she's like, do you guys ever think about dying? And everyone stops and she's like, oh, just kidding. But she's starting to dance or something. Yeah, it was so perfect. And then she doesn't know what to do with these negative things, so she has to go to Weird Barbie, who's giving her this choice, but it's not really a choice. And then she's on this quest to the real world. And I was just like, oh, my God. This fascinating. [17:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's also why we can't ignore, right? Like, when things aren't going well, right? Ignore anxiety. You can't ignore poor family dynamics. You can't ignore a mood disorder brewing. Like, you have to kind of go see someone. I am Weird Barbie. You come see me. So are you. And we then sit in it with you. Sitting it with you. We go on this journey with you. It's so beautiful so that you can be well and then make a choice at the end that is authentic to you. Authentic. And then you are like, your best self, which means you experience all emotions. That doesn't mean that you're perfect and you're never sad. [17:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. Or that you never feel anxiety again, or you never feel sadness again. 100%. And even thinking about that portia the journey to the real world, how they have to go in the little car and then on a spaceship in the camper, she goes in all of her Barbie vehicles. I thought that was so cute. But also, if we're staying with this theme, that we are the Weird Barbie. As the Therapist Barbie, you do go on a journey, right, to try to become your most authentic self, your most well self. Which, again, doesn't mean you never have bad days or episodic episodes of difficult feelings and stuff like that. But you do kind of go on this journey. What did you think of Ken in Barbie land initially? [18:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So if the Barbies were one dimensional already in that land, like, the KENS are I don't even know, like zero one dimension, where are they? [18:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Where do they live? [18:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Where do they sleep at night? No one knows. [18:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: No one cares. [18:56] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No one knows. But I would say that I thought it was so funny how so much of what Barbie said impacted, you know, Ken number. Gosling. [19:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really? [19:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Really? It seems like, likes, loves I don't know, Barbie. [19:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's unclear. Is it genuine, or does he just feel like that's what his role to play? [19:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So she gives him some feedback, right? That's, like, positive. And he's like he lights right up. [19:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's like, really? Wow. [19:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: His whole day is made. His whole life is made. And then he tries to show off even more for her, which I think is also kind of like a real life thing. Sometimes we get a little over our heads trying to impress someone, like when. [19:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: They'Re at the dance scene, but then all the KENS come in and start dancing, and he feels really threatened. [19:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then the beach scene where he goes into the rock wave, and then all the Barbies come and they help him, and then he's fixed right away. [19:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Which, again, it's like Barbie land. [19:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You just snap their leg back into place, and they're know. Ken. Ken's were just like I was curious how they were going to fit in or how it was going to become more in depth or important to the story. It felt, like, really silly and just, again, kind of like flat, like no dimension, which I think is what Ken. [20:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Brings to the table in original Barbie land. Right? He's just the sidekick I loved when I mean Gosh, Ryan Gosling, like, playing this. Like, I think we all love Ryan Gosling all the time, no matter what. [20:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So listen to this. I heard on Hoda and Jenna, I was watching that yesterday, and they were kind of laughing because Ryan Gosling had initially, before the movie came out, gotten a lot of feedback for, like, you're too old to play. Not they were envisioning. [20:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're not like the hot guy anymore, right? [20:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Who played Austin Butler, who was Elvis Young. That guy. A guy who's in Euphoria who's like the hot guy, either of them. And it was funny because it was the first time that a guy had been called out publicly too old for a role. And how interesting is it in the movie Barbie? There's all these other themes. So anyway, though, they said, I think it landed really well, everyone who had said that was like, I was wrong and I think perfect. [21:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: I also think those young guys I don't think could do it. I feel like you have to have the life experience and be able to wrap your head around it in a different way, to have been able to perform the role the way Ryan Gosling did. Which, again, was like, perfect comedic timing, but, like you said, had all these elements of tenderness and insecurity and codependency that just shine through despite the again, like, how do they put this together. [21:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In such a perfect all he says is, hi, Barbie. But you can just see his urgency for her to pay attention to him and him trying to catch her eye and bolstering his chest, all of that. Yes, I think someone could attempt to do. But Ryan Gosling just nailed it on the head. [21:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And again, the comedic side, but also the tender, authentic, insecure side at the same just I was so impressed. And he's like, so handsome. So that never hurts to objectify him since women have been objectified for decades and centuries and will continue to be. But that is a really interesting point. I hadn't read about that. [22:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So he kind of goes along with her right, for the ride, which ironically, it was just interesting. If you're thinking he's codependent on her, of course he needs to go because he can't be alone in Barbieland without her. [22:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And I just have to address the scene where he wants to have a sleepover. He's like, well, boyfriend girlfriend, I should sleep over. And she's like, why? And then he's like, well, I don't know what we would do, actually. It's just so funny. And then I loved when she was like, but this is my dream house every night's girls night, so I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah. And then she goes into her dream house and they're all like, woohoo Barbie. And it's just like you get the sense it's like a sleepover every single night in Barbie land. And isn't there a part of you that would love yeah, right. [22:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And she does it in a way that it's like dismissing Ken, but it's kind and it's direct. And there's not all these millions of sorrys. And it's not mean. It's not like, no, I don't want you here. It's just like, I'm with my friends and I'm going to go now because this is my house, really firm. And I think when we see later in the movie. The Barbies are never mean cruel. Putting the KENS down intentionally. And then we see the KENS do that when Kendom comes to be that's a great point. [23:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. She's, like, turning him down in a direct, assertive, but kind not aggressive way. She's just, like, speaking her truth. But he does take it really hard and feels really dismissed and brushed aside. And that comes up later in Kendall. Right. So that's just sort of this interesting dynamic. Right away, I did feel like he was really codependent on her, like he didn't have his own identity outside of her. It was always, like, trying to rise up and be good enough for her or feel like her equal. And I just think that's so funny because Barbie is about Barbie and Ken's just like the I guess there's, like that was in all the marketing. And it's just really funny because we. [24:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: All know at least I did, like, a million Barbies. I think I maybe had one. [24:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe one ever. And I think maybe Ken had a little brother. I don't know. Then there's Alan. Who knew? Who knew? [24:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I would love to have Alan now. [24:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, me too. [24:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I wonder if there I know there's I'm sure tons of Barbie collectors. I have a lot of Barbies in boxes still. [24:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: You didn't bring them to the movies? [24:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, it'd be huge. I think I got one every year for Christmas. They're all, like, the anniversary ones. You did not take them out of the box. [24:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Big dresses. Yes. [24:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so I'm wondering who has the Allen one? Is anyone out there? [24:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I bet it's worth a lot. Like, right now, I had one of those, too, that I did take out and give to my daughter. [24:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, that's nice of you. [24:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [24:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I'd probably be able to do, like I don't know. [24:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: I guess I'll have to make that decision. Yeah. It was like the Christmas Barbie, I guess, in your defense, the box broke, so it was already open. It's a much easier choice. [25:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But anyway, so when we get to the real world, which is where we all yes. [25:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, they see the billboard of Miss Universe and Margot Robbie's like, oh, look, the Supreme Court justice is just like all of that stuff was so funny to me. And then when she's, like, looking for somewhere safe to land, and she's like, oh, construction site. That's where I'll find the women. And I was just like, oh, no, here we go. Here we right. [25:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [25:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: And, like, right away, I wrote it down. They get there, and they're walking down. Where are they? [25:35] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Roller skating. Roller skating. [25:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the way they're able to bring in all the little Barbie props are so funny. And they're roller skating, and everyone's know Leering at Barbie, and she feel I feel ill at ease. And Ken goes, I feel admired, but not oggled. I was like, those two sentences speak to the difference of living in the world as a female versus living in the world as a white man, too. [26:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And it's not right. It's not most of the time, overt. So I think that's where a lot of people who don't experience this have a harder time understanding, well, they didn't come up to you and slap your behind. It's like but you can feel people oggling you in an icky way. [26:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [26:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And, yes, you could be like, yeah, of course this didn't happen directly to me. It wasn't over. But there's so much covert ickiness out there, and I think that that's what that moment really, for me encapsulated, because Ken just felt right, like, good and finally was yeah, exactly. [26:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: She had started feeling, like, some complicated feelings in Barbie land, and now that just continues. And then there's like, what I'm sure will become the famous lines about the genitals, where she's just like, we have no genitals. [27:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But why did she think to say that? Right? [27:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Probably to disarm these oggling men, but she knew, push them away. [27:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I'm taking leaps here, but as this doll knew right away that that's what was being looked at, leared at, thought of. [27:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: So then eventually, we see Barbie finally ends up at the school where Sasha, played by Ariana Greenblatt, is sort of having lunch with her friends. And leading up to that, we started to see some flashes of Sasha playing with her Barbies over the years. Right. And I think that was what weird barbie was trying to tell her is like, you have to go find this little girl and make it right. This little girl, the reason you're feeling these things is because that's what the child who's playing with you is feeling, and you have to go and make it right and come back to Barbie Lamb, put it all back to how it was. So she comes up to her at school, which I thought, first of all, there's going to be, like, a security guard, a metal detector, hopefully, at school these days, we can imagine this woman dressed like a pink cowgirl, barbie. Just like, walking up to you and Sasha being like, who is this woman with a delusional disorder that she's Barbie. Right? And Barbie just goes off into this monologue and, like, slings it right back at her and I think really delivers all the criticisms of Barbie through the years very quickly, in a succinct way. Right. And then we see, like, react to it and be like, what we didn't fix like I thought we did. I thought we showed women you could be whatever you want. You don't just have to be a mother and a wife, but if you want to do that, that's fine. But you can be a doctor, you can be a lawyer, you can get the Nobel Peace Prize, you can be a teacher, and then you're kind of huh. You're right. Yeah. [28:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then Barbie starts to. Continue to be more and more emotional, right? Starts to cry, leaking, which made me think of, like, the grinch. [28:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: What is um and then she's really upset. And during all of this, Ken is discovering the patriarchy at the school library, gets books on horses, and he sees all these men. He's, like, imitating their arm gestures and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, my God, this is hilarious. But I see where this is going, and this is perfect. And he's just discovering this whole new world where men rule. And he goes in, right, to all these different places of work. I was obviously struck when he's talking to the female doctor and is like, I need to do a surgery. Give me the tools. And she's like, you didn't go to medical school. You can't do that. And he's like, Show me the real doctor. Let me talk to the boss. And she's like, I'm the boss. And he just walks by her. And I was like, security. But oh, my God. Portia I'm sure you can imagine as a female physician, all the times you just get assumed you're not the doctor. And any man walking know, people look at with this reverence and authority automatically just because they're a man. It just spoke to that so perfectly. [30:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I bet. [30:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then he's like, going into the office building, and I want a high. [30:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Paying position of power. [30:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: And the guy's like, well, you don't have an MBA. You don't have a degree. We can't just give you that. And he's like, I thought this is the patriarchy. And he's like, well, yeah, but we just have to do it a little more fly these days. [30:25] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought that was funny. [30:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. And so then eventually we find that Mattel gets word that Barbie escaped, right? And then things are like, up in arms, and it turns out the other main character, America Ferrari's character, who's the mom, Gloria in the film. This is where we meet her. What did you think about her character? [30:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked it. I didn't know where it was going at first. For some reason, I thought she was like a Barbie creator because she was drawing the sketches. It seems like maybe she was in more like of a secretarial position. And then we find out that she's the one who's connected to stereotypical Barbie memories. And then I loved that it kind of was showing us that scene again, all from her perspective. So now she's in it again. [31:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought that was really sweet, and. [31:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It was sad because of her emotions, but it just spoke to the transitions of motherhood, I would imagine, right? From having a newborn where you're their lifeline continuing all the way up to an adolescent who's kind of pushing back and having more autonomy and pushing you away and rejecting you. [31:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. That was really beautiful. And then we come to find that there's this parallel process going on between her existential crisis, raising an adolescent, and sort of trying to figure out who she is and where does she fit in now, and Barbie's existential crisis and that they're actually the ones that are connected. And it's almost like Barbie's starting to feel all the emotions the mom's feeling, and I guess kind of weird for, like, an adult woman to start playing with Barbies again, but makes sense for, I guess, the plot of the film. [32:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, no, that's true, actually. [32:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe that's kind of like me bringing Barbies to lunch and not really, but. [32:08] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think she said that she was cleaning out the basement or something, and she found some and she kept it donated or throw it away. [32:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. And she's the one who's been drawing, like, Deaths Barbie, right. Like, what did she call it? Irresistible thoughts of death. Cellulite. Barbie depressed thoughts of cellulite. [32:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which was interesting, which we didn't comment on, which was part of Weird Barbie's. [32:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [32:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, push. He's like, well, if you choose the birkenstock and you fix this, you won't have cellulite. [32:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And it's like, okay, fine. Now I'll go which, again, I think is a tongue in cheek sort of reference to Barbie's, like, perfect body and how that's so important to Barbie. Right. [33:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So then Mattel is really upset that Barbie is in the real world. So why do you think that? Is? It because you do you think that Mattel, besides the obvious ways that they're being nefarious, is nefarious with kind of, like, the patriarchy? Did you get that vibe? I did, a little bit, 100%. [33:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: I mean, they're all men, like, on the board, right? The only woman we see is Gloria, who does seem like a secretary. She's kept out of the big, important meetings that only the men can go to. I think when Barbie finally gets there, she's like, where's your boss? Let me meet her. Where is she? I can't wait to meet her. And they're like, well, I'm the boss. And I think they say, like, well, we did have one CEO, I think, like, a long time ago. Right. I loved that scene where she's like, well, who does the money? Me? [33:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: This man? [33:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: And all of it is run by men. I, first of all, love Will Ferrell more than anything in the world, so anything he's in, I love it. And I thought he did a really good job. It's really funny, but yeah, they really wanted Barbie back in her box. I feel like that is just, again, not wanting Barbie to be more complicated than they want to see her and. [34:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: In control of her. [34:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: They want to be in control of her. And I do think one interesting sort of criticism I've been reading about this movie is, if you think about it right, like, yes, it's doing great in the box office. Lots of themes about feminism and the female experience. Again, still from a white woman's perspective, which I think it's important to acknowledge. And at the same time, Mattel is making so much money from doing this. They have all these other movies in development, like one about polypocket that's going to be directed by Lena Dunham, I. [34:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Think, with Lily Collins. [34:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yep. And so they have a ton of things in development that I'm sure are going to move ahead now that this was so successful. And there's been some criticisms, like, okay, so Mattel is this huge corporate giant, right? Like, how many female filmmakers have been trying to push forward stories and movies and ideas about the female experience, but no one wanted to listen until there's this big corporate company that's made all this money from a doll who's a stereotypical female, right. Only now we can listen to women and learn about the female experience. I don't know. I just think it's an interesting thing to think about, and I feel like it is a valid criticism. But then you kind of see that tension here. So I kind of agree with you, Portia, that I felt like the film as a whole did a good job addressing the tension about this Uber. Maybe not Uber, but this film really touching on difficult topics about feminism, using Barbie. But again, that's like, the whole point. [35:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think it would have flopped if. [35:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Was. [35:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Shown in a good, positive light in the you know, and I think one of the reasons that it's, like, based on what you're saying is because the movie, in an unironic way, slams Mattel. But I'm curious now. Okay, show me your board, Mattel. [36:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. That's what I mean, right? It's like, is this are you the same board that we're seeing in the how exactly how much is art imitating life? Like, what is Mattel doing behind the scenes? What have they not I don't know. That's not common. Just but again, it raises a lot of interesting questions. [36:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I got anxious when she was standing. She was like, happy to go back. [36:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: In the put those little plastic ties. [36:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: She goes in the box. And again, those were so funny because that's how your Barbie comes, right? And they start twisting them, and it's getting tighter. See her hands? And she's like, something about this doesn't feel good anymore. [36:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Good for ghetto. Ghetto good for you. Like staying in touch with your inner. [37:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Authentic feelings Barbie and picking up on which is a female experience because of our life experiences. Having that third eye, right? Like being a woman. And something about that table over there is giving me weird vibes. Or having to cover your drink or having your key in your hand when you're walking to your car. It's like she started having zero ever experienced that in Barbieland to pick up on that. And I quickly that's just how I interpreted that scene. [37:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I totally agree. And that she had the confidence to listen to that and not I think maybe because she came from Barbie land, where you are just confident and you're not apologizing for your feelings. They just are what they are. She didn't start invalidating herself, which I think a lot of women are socially conditioned to do. Right? Like, you might feel something's off, but then you're like, oh, I'm just being sensitive, or, that can't be. There's something wrong with me, when it's like, no, you're picking up on something accurate in your environment. So then she escapes and hijinks ensue and her and Gloria and Sasha go back to Barbie land and what do they see? Ken has already returned and taken over. The patriarchy is flying high. [38:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Horses are everywhere. [38:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: I love that they put TVs in every room of Barbie land with horses on them. And then this is like, oh, no, Barbie land is turned into the real world. Like, all the Barbies are being objectified and wearing really tight clothes and serving the men and brainwashed almost. Right. And it happened so quickly. And we see Barbie and Gloria and Sasha just like, dumbfounded. Right? And what did you think about Kendom? [38:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was really in a silly way, like really know, like the TVs and just like their interest being so stereotypically, like know. Let's also say that there's many men who are wonderful and allies and not objectifying women and so on and so forth. [39:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like Alan. [39:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like Alan, but in the real world. But this was just like such a silly way of calling it out. [39:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [39:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I loved the horses being the yes, but like and it wasn't like it could have been Ken's, and that would have been the same thing, right? Like, they replaced the Barbie, so it was like horses. It was like really and the hummers and everything's tricked out and lifted and so big. Yeah. [39:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: And they got a mini fridge full of their snacks and they got the saloon doors. It was just so funny and over the top. But you just see how he just starts to really relate to Barbie in this icky way. And interestingly. I felt like he was still so co dependent on her, but now it was like the roles are reversed. Right. Like before, in original Barbie land, he just wanted her approval to feel good enough, and now he has to put her down to feel good enough. So it's still kind of the same dynamic, just like two different sides of the same coin. [40:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And commenting on, I think, right. That idea of, oh, he's mean to. [40:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: You because he likes you. [40:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. So it's like we even see that when she's faking to go to the beach and have him play the guitar for her and he walks away. [40:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [40:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: He's like, oh, maybe, or you're my what does he call her? You're my part time sometimes there whatever. [40:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're my friend. Yes. And then you're like my long term low commitment girlfriend. [40:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Low commitment. But he is excited, right? He goes away and he's like sublime. And that does happen even with, I think between both. Men can do it to women, women can do it to men, so on and so forth. Everyone does it to each other. It's like little games. It's like the gamey thing with dating, right? Like, I'm not going to text you for three days, which just it's hard because if someone's playing the game, it's hard to not but I think just no one should play the game. If you really like someone, text them when you get home. I had a great time, let's go out again. If you don't say, I think you. [41:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Had a great time, but let's stay friends or something. And in that way, in original Barbie land, communication was more direct and innocent. And now things are getting all warped and topsy turvy, and then they decide they have to get all these Barbies back. And I was a little disappointed that it did involve, again, using themselves as sexual objects to kind of distract the KENS to turn them all against each other. I don't know what was your thoughts about that? [41:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Definitely was like, icky. I wish there'd been a different right? [41:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [41:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Why did they choose that way? Is it commenting on that? That's like currency, right? We talked about white lotus last week, and sex is currency. And that's where in now Kendom, like Barbie, you do have power. And we see that in the real world of but like, I'm wondering if it was intentionally supposed to be cringy, right? [42:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, if it's like yeah, in the real world, that is your only power. Now Barbie is to use your body and your sexual power to distract them in order to have the vote and turn it back to Barbie land. That was the part I was like, oh, I wish they'd been able to get it back some other way. [42:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [42:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I did love when they're all strumming their little guitars and I don't know the song that they picked. [42:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I did. [42:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I recognize it, but I don't know. [42:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The name of it. [42:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know who sings it, but it was like, I want to push you around. And it's like aggressive if you think about, like, a man singing that to a woman. Right. [42:40] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's not like a romantic song. [42:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's aggressive. [42:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Don't do that. [42:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: But perfect for Kendom and all the horses. [42:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So all the Barbies seem to be brainwashed and they get pulled out of it through Gloria, right. So Gloria has this monologue that she talks about, which I think resonated with a lot of people. We heard some, like, woohoo in the theater. [43:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sure. [43:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So I thought that was nice. I did really like and we kind of made eye contact when she was talking about body image, and I really, really liked that because before right. They were kind of like I think, again, just pointing out not aging and not having cellulite before. And that's why kind of Barbie Land was like, oh, there's old people in the real world. What is you know, the woman then is like, you're beautiful. And she's like, I know. [43:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I really like woman at the bus stop. [43:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So one of the lines is you have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but you also have to be thin. It's just impossible thinking of every single person, really. Especially, I think, for women, the expectations of your body in the real world is just so hard to live with and so challenging. [43:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [43:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And the messages come early from Barbie, right? [43:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [43:59] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And from TV and everything that's around you and from even parenting. [44:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [44:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, a lot of if your parents are making comments about their bodies, even if they would never know their kids, it's all such a message that I think it's right. Like, you can't be too thin, but you can't be too fat and you can't talk about your weight if someone compliments you. [44:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [44:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I'm fat and I'm feeling so bad about myself. You're fishing for those. No, you're fine. I think we could have explored that in a whole movie of its it. [44:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: You know, it was necessary given, like you said, the criticisms about Barbie and her unattainable body type all along. And I was glad they didn't shy away from that. I was also glad in that monologue, which was so moving, that they also drew comparisons to just the female emotional experience. [44:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [44:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, that is a female experience. You can't be to this or to that. You have to just be this version of a woman. And it's just an impossible standard. And why can't you just be angry or be sad or be anxious or be happy or be confident? Like you said in original Barbie Land, no one's apologizing and then they start to and I just feel like that so speaks to what it's like to be a woman. And it's annoying. [45:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I liked you're supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you're supposed to because of sisterhood. You're supposed to always stand out and always be grateful. It's impossible just going back and forth. But I think too, I just watched the documentary on Amazon. It came out a little while ago about the family that used to have a show, 18 kids and counting, or 20 kids and counting. And it's a lot of kids they talk a lot about, just like in a lot of religious organizations. Right. You have to be careful of your dress code so that you are not tempting men. [45:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I think that's even like in public school. [45:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, yeah, the straps and the shorts length, all that stuff. And it's just like, it's not our responsibility to make men feel like they don't want to sexual assault someone or keep your thoughts to yourself. We all we all should also they. [46:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Should also learn how to manage those feelings. Right. It's okay, right? And girls are going to have those feelings about boys or other girls, too. [46:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, you can think, wow, that person is attractive, and move on. And then if you feel bad about that, take that up with your God and be sorry for it. But it's not your fault. It's not that person's fault that you found them attractive. [46:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [46:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Anyway, back to Barbie. [46:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, I mean, I feel though I think we touched a little bit about this when we were covering you, which is like, all roads lead back to you because that's such a good show. But when we were talking about stalking and sexual harassment, oftentimes when women finally do seek help, they're often shamed or told, like, well, you kind of asked for it. Or I remember when I was in college, I had, I guess, a stalker. It was kind of weird. And I went to the student police, and their only advice was, when you go to class where that boy is in your class, you should wear really baggy clothes and don't wear makeup. And that was it. That was the advice to keep me safe. It wasn't like, oh, yeah, we should take this one out of your class. We should maybe move him to a different dorm, anything like that. It was like, you need to change your appearance. And so I think that perfectly speaks to what you're saying. [47:26] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And again, it's just not that hard. We talked about consent in American Pie, that episode, and it's just really not that hard of an idea to come around. Someone might be into you at one point, and guess what? They might not be into you in another. And, like, you have to deal with that. [47:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I loved that. With Barbie, it finally know as we come to the end of Know, the Barbies vote in Congress because they've distracted the boys and they get Barbie land back. But then at the end, Margot, Robbie's character wants to be human. She wants more than just Barbie. She wants to feel all those human experiences. She doesn't want to leave Gloria and Sasha. And she talks to the creator of Barbie, played by Ree Pearlman, who was just like, it was so sweet to hear her talk about and I loved how she was like, yeah, they had some tax evasion issues, but that's another movie. But just saying, like, are you sure you want to be human? Are you sure? And then it comes out when she tells Ken, I don't love you. I don't like you. You're a great person, but I don't feel that way toward you. And they could have an honest conversation about how he felt kind of rejected and dismissed and stuff like that, which was, I thought, great for a man character to be able to say right. To be honest about that in a direct, also respectful way, rather than the way he was treating her in Kendom, which was, like, icky and passive aggressive. [48:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And demeaning and I think really contradicts the kind of general critique of a lot of people that I'm irritated with on the Internet, saying that Barbie is demasculating. And I think the end really does the opposite of that. Right. [49:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: If you have an open mind. Right. [49:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, to me, it's really clear she's apologizing for him feeling dismissed. So it's like, I see that we were maybe treating you like you felt like you didn't matter and like, you do, and I don't love you. [49:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's okay. And both can be true. [49:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But I understand that people have a hard time opening their mind to different things, but just to me, it's like that scene contradicts their criticism of so, like, did you stay for the whole movie? [49:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And also, I think it depends on your definition of masculinity, which, again, this film isn't only sort of addressing feminism and the female experience, although I feel like that's the main point, which is, you know, Ryan Gosling's depiction of Ken really touches on the themes of masculinity so well. And I feel like at the end, he comes to find that he can be sensitive and have those types of feelings and express them directly to someone who will listen and validate. Right. He doesn't have to be like a macho man like he was in Kendom. He can just be himself. And maybe he doesn't want his job to be beach. Okay? [50:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Maybe he wants to ride horses. [50:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe. And that's what he says. He's like, I just really like the horses. But in that way, I think that is isn't that also part of masculinity? Can't our boys be sensitive and sweet and not feel like you have to lose all of that to be a man in today's society? I feel like that's another issue these days that they did touch on, I thought, in a really thoughtful way. [50:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I agree. Yeah. [50:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: And so at the end, Barbie chooses to become human, right. She assumes the name of the original creator of Barbie's daughter, which I thought was sweet. We see her get out of the car in her pink birkenstock, so she is fully, actualized, holding on to good and bad, conflicting all the parts of herself. All the parts of herself. It's so great. And we see her going in to sign in for something. What did you think she was going? [51:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was a job interview. [51:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought it was a driver's license. [51:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Okay. [51:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was the gynecologist. And I could not, because she now has a ******, an agency, an autonomy. And I was just like, perfect ending. I just died. [51:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so unexpected that I think laughs you're like, what? I'm so funny. [51:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: So funny, but perfect. She was so happy to be there, right? And again, I just think in today's political climate, great job, Greta Gerwig. [51:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And everyone like, I am getting my womanhood taken care. [51:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? So any final thoughts, Portia? As we wrap up this episode a. [52:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Little bit, I just wanted to comment on the Depression Barbie commercial. [52:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: How did we forget about depression, Barbie? [52:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So many people on the Internet were like, why did they call me out? So we see. You know, loose terms on the Internet were binging on sweets. It wasn't really binging. It was eating sweets. [52:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: It said an entire family sized starburst. [52:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yep. And then watching reruns of BBC's Pride and Prejudice, and she was like, scrolling. [52:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: Instagram, looking at her estranged BFF's engagement photos. It was so funny. And then they were like, anxiety OCD and panic attack. [52:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Barbie sold separately. [52:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, that was funny. I loved it. And then Gloria finally at the end pitching to Mattel, like, what about just, like, average, like and then again, there's another beautiful monologue by American Ferrara about just, like, the experience of a woman. And I feel like that is she was, like, describing her own experience in a way. And again, Mattel was smart when at first they were like, oh, I don't know if that's going to go well. And then the finance guy's like, those sales will be huge. And they were like, okay, yeah. And I felt like that just also signified. Like, there's still a lot of room to go. We still have a lot of road to cover. But overall, I really loved it. [53:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It gives you a lot to think about. [53:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [53:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And take what you want from it. I think there's a lot of funny themes, and I think it's worth seeing more than once over time. And I'm excited to see it again. I mean, I'm wondering maybe there'll be more tears because I'm already primed, but we'll see. [53:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was so good. Well, thank you for joining us for another episode of Analyze Scripts. Please rate review and subscribe and share with your friends if you're enjoying our content. I did carry around two Barbies as a middle aged woman, so please make it worth it. Make it worth it. You can find us on Instagram at Analyze Scripts and on TikTok and Analyze Scripts podcast and on threads at Analyze Scripts podcast. And we will see you next Monday. Yep. [54:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Bye bye. [54:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of Analyzed Scripts. All rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited. Unless you want to share it with your friends and rate, review and subscribe, that's fine. All stories and characters discussed are fictional in nature. No identification with actual persons, living or deceased places, buildings, or products is intended or should be inferred. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. The podcast and its contents do not constitute professional mental health or medical advice. Listeners might consider consulting a mental health provider if they need assistance with any mental health problems or concerns. As always, please call 911 or go directly to your nearest emergency room for any psychiatric emergencies. Thanks for listening and see you next time.

In Season 2 Episode 20 of our Montessori Babies podcast, I dove into some Montessori ideas that are incredibly helpful to keep at the forefront of your mind as you go about your days with baby!This week we discussed:Montessori approach to mindsetThe uniqueness of each childThe in-home Montessori ExperienceMaking Montessori work for youand more!

What's poppin' new agers! This episode we dive in on the discussion regarding how we are handling the transition to Toddlerhood. Our babies have not been in newborn stage for some time now but we wanted to discuss what we like and dislike so far. Transitioning to Toddlerhood: How has this transition been for both of you? What were some of the initial challenges you faced, and how did you overcome them? Balancing Independence and Safety: As toddlers become more independent, they also face new risks. How do you strike a balance between allowing your child to explore while ensuring their safety? Communication and Language: How have you encouraged language development in your child, and what are some effective ways to facilitate communication with toddlers? Boundaries and Discipline: How do you establish these bounderies maintaining a loving and supportive relationship with your child? Nurturing Emotional Development: Emotional intelligence is crucial at this age. How do you support your child's emotional development and help them express their feelings?

Toddlers, amirite?! This week, the Whine Mamas get into the good and the naughty of all things toddler town. From gentle parenting to picky eaters, they are sure to provide all the non-solicited advice no one asked for but needed to hear. Wine of the Week: Spier Seaward Chenin Blanc. Honorable mentions: Trader Joe's pancake puffs, velociraptors, toddler beds, sleep walking, screen time, Africa, shark divingInstagram: @whinemamapodcastHosts: @anniegpyle & @j.freyy

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In this episode I talk with Kelsey and answer the question, “How do I come to terms with my last baby entering toddlerhood?” She is feeling a sense of loss as her third child leaves the baby stage behind. Instead she wants to be able to feel more joy as her child grows and develops.I tell Kelsey that the emotions she is experiencing are totally normal, especially for women who had difficult or complicated births and recoveries like she did. It's common for there to be a sense of loss because she didn't experience what she expected to in the newborn phase with each of her children.If you have a question you'd like to hear me answer in a future FAQ podcast episode, email it to me with the subject line “Podcast Question” at hello@drjuliehanks.com.Have you ever thought, “I want to ask Dr. Julie Hanks a question”? Well, now's your chance! I want to have you on my podcast! Click here to fill out this form and tell me your question. I might just pick you to be on the podcast and receive a free coaching session. You can also join my group coaching membership where I host three live group coaching sessions per month covering the topics that matter to you the most.Thank you for listening to the Ask Dr. Julie Hanks podcast. Please click here to leave me a review. And make sure you don't miss an episode by following me on Apple Podcast and Spotify.If you have found this information helpful, you can find additional resources on this topic in my membership and my online courses. Connect with me on social media @drjuliehanks and work with me through joining DJH membership at drjuliehanks.com. For therapy in Utah visit wasatchfamilytherapy.com.

In Season 2 Episode 18 of our Montessori Babies podcast, we are venturing into the great outdoors to dive into the benefits that nature has for our babies!This week we discussed:Current research in relation to young children and natureDevelopmental benefitsBenefits for the entire familyEarthing as an ancient practiceand more!Would you like to be first to grab my BRAND NEW  Montessori Workshop and get all the steps you need to Foster Independence from Infancy to Toddlerhood? Subscribe to my email list here to be first to grab it!

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In Season 2 Episode 17 of our Montessori Babies podcast, we are diving into whether or not the Montessori approach in infancy and toddlerhood can support emotional development!This week we discussed:Attachment vs emotional developmentTools in Montessori preparation to support emotional developmentEnvironment approaches to support emotional developmentand more!Would you like to transform your parenting journey within our Montessori Babies Course community? I'm bringing back the BEST PROMO I've ever offered - but only for 48 hours (from 6/6/2023-6/7/2023)... ✨Take advantage of our 48 HOUR PROMO HERE!✨Would you like to be first to grab my BRAND NEW Virtual Montessori Workshop and get all the steps you need to Foster Independence from Infancy to Toddlerhood? Subscribe to my email list here to be first to grab it!

Janet Lansbury was talking and blogging about respectful parenting long before it became a buzzword.   Informed by her mentor and RIE creator Magda Gerber, Janet has spent decades encouraging parents and teaching them how to create loving and supportive environments for their children to help them grow into compassionate, confident, and resilient individuals.   Whether you are a follower of the RIE (resources for infant educarers) parenting method and wondering how these principles centered on respect and trust can evolve as your child grows, or you are just looking to find a parenting approach that feels aligned with your values - this episode will empower you to view your child as a whole, capable being, with just as much to teach us as we have to teach them.     I want to hear from you! Send me a topic you want me to cover or a question you want answered on the show! ✨ DM me on Instagram at @securelyattachedpodcast or @drsarahbren ✨ Send an email to info@drsarahbren.com ✨ And check out drsarahbren.com for more parenting resources