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In this powerful episode, Kiera is joined by John Jackson, executive director of Defy Ventures, Utah. John shares his history as a criminal, the time he spent incarcerated for his crimes, and how he found the power to change. Kiera and John met through a Tony Robbins' Business Mastery earlier this year, and Defy Ventures is one of the nonprofits the Dental A-Team is donating to through its Live to Give program this year. About John: Correctional officials once labeled John “the worst of the worst.” As he served 18 years in prison, John rose through the ranks of his gang by honing his leadership skills. After four years in solitary confinement, John realized that building his criminal resume would only lead him to life—and death—in prison. He made the dangerous and unpopular decision to step away from criminal activity while incarcerated at Pelican Bay, a notorious supermax prison in California. Since his release from prison in 2019, John served as the director of sales and fundraising at Hustle 2.0, helping to scale the organization from two prisons in California to 700+ jails and prisons in 47 states, serving 13,000+ incarcerated men, women, and youth. He co-authored 11 books. The curriculum provides holistic rehabilitation and healing for people in America's most dangerous prisons, offering a pathway to college. John delivered a TEDx at Cornell University about ending the generation cycles of incarceration.   Today, John serves as the executive director of Defy Ventures, Utah, leveraging entrepreneurship to help incarcerated people transform their lives. He uses his story of courage and transformation to create hope for those who have been written off and forgotten by society. Episode resources: Learn more about Defy Ventures Reach out to Kiera Tune Into DAT's Monthly Webinar Practice Momentum Group Consulting Subscribe to The Dental A-Team podcast Become Dental A-Team Platinum! Review the podcast Transcript: The Dental A Team (00:00.234) Hello, Dental A Team listeners. This is Kiera. if you don't know, Dental A Team has a portion of our company called Live to Give. And every single year, our company goes and looks for organizations or places that I believe in that I feel can give a greater impact in this world. We've done a Make-A-Wish for a child who had stomach cancer one year. We have done Stuff for Santa within our communities. We have done   scholarships for people. And every single year we did a coat drive with all of our clients and we were able to give so many coats to cold families. And this year I met an incredible man named John from Defy Ventures. And John was an incarcerated criminal for 17 years. He was at maximum security. He was in solitary confinement for four years and he was sent to Pelican Prison, which is the number one like federal prison in California where it literally is like a resume builder for prisoners, but that is like the top of the top.   He was in gangs and he has actually come out of prison and his five years since his release date. And he has a company called the Five Ventures where literally they help incarcerated criminals turn their skills that they've learned in prison into something good and to build businesses. And it's such an incredible company. It's probably not the one that I ever imagined that I'd be recommending or talking to you about, but.   I'm bringing John on the podcast. John is a dear friend. met him and I just was so inspired by him of who he is as a person. And then also if you want no affiliation with our company with them, but just a cause of Live To Give where we donated as well. But you are able to sponsor an incarcerated criminal if you want to be able to give them the entrepreneurship skills and you're able to give back to an organization that I believe is trying to stop generational crime. The US has actually more in cart.   our 5 % of the world's population and yet we have 25 % of the world's crime. And just watching how our world is going, if there are people like John who were incarcerated themselves and have been able to turn and become a force for good and to be able to do incredible things for this world, it might be something incredible for you. I am literally so excited to bring you guys today's guest. This is someone that I met a couple of months ago at Tony Robbins Business Mastery.   The Dental A Team (02:19.04) little plug we did freaking win john so we are the winners will show you our trophies. Yeah, bring the trophies up. But john was actually the reason that we won and we were helping support his company which is defy ventures. But john has such an interesting story. And literally I had the most life changing experience talking to john and so I'm so excited to welcome john I there's like so much more I want to say about your intro but I'm let you tell your story more than me enjoying you. But welcome to the show john how are you today?   I'm doing awesome. I have a huge smile on my face because I'm really excited. First is good to see you and second to be on your podcast to get to share with you. Getting to share that win on stage at Tony Robbins was definitely a highlight of my life. So thank you for supporting us and all in pushing us to promote while we were there as well. And I think you're back to back. You're on the back to back winning team, I think, two years in a row now. We're technically three for three, John, but   our win this time was the first one I got the trophy for. So thanks for making the trophy happen. Like I won them all the times, but, and it's funny because my friend that I had first, which some of the podcast listeners may have heard Pierce, Pierce had said trophy and we took a picture and he's like, here, I'm just going to take it home and then I'm going to ship it to you. And I was like, okay, Pierce, that's great. Cause Pierce is like freaking seven feet tall. So of course when Tony brought out the trophies, he like grabbed one. I'm not quite as tall.   And so I was like, no problem, Piers. And then Piers did a freaking podcast with me a little while ago. And those of you who watched it, Piers has his trophy right behind us on the podcast. And I was like, I remember that trophy, Piers. John, like this was like, and this we're talking, that was 2019. So this was five years in the beginning. But John, okay, Defy Ventures, you guys, we're gonna go into prison talk. John, I need you to tell your story. I'm gonna let you tell it. I'm gonna ask you like a thousand questions.   I literally felt like I interviewed you before the win. didn't know we were going to win at business mastery. For those of who don't know business master is an event that Tony Robbins puts on and you go to this event. This is actually in 2019. I went there literally skyrocketed Dental A Team to where we are today. but I learned so much about business and what you're doing is you're at this conference. It's running from like, gosh, 10 AM until 2 AM in the morning. Like it's insane. And while you're there learning content, you're also supposed to be building a business within. It is like the most exhausting thing that you've ever done.   The Dental A Team (04:38.688) And John's business was the one that we did this year of DeFi Ventures. And it was so cool. But John, tell your story because I'm not going to do you justice other than the fact that like this man came from one of the craziest prisons and I'm just beyond blown away of who you are as a person and the background story that you have. So John, tell us all like your little history, not little. It's like nuts. And now we're sitting here. You're a free man today on a podcast with me. Like literally the irony and the magic of your life is just inspiring to me.   Thank you. Thank you. I just reiterate, I really am so grateful that we got to share that experience and Business Mastery has been, it has been a force accelerator for me as well. And whether it's through fundraising or just growing the impact that I want to have. So I'm really grateful that I get to do that and get to be a part of that experience. But yes, I'd love to share a part of my story. And I just start from, you're to have some highs and some lows here, but I promise we'll get to the end of it and it's a happy ending.   but it started, like the most striking memories for me, start when I was 11 and it's, you know, from my mom kissing me, tucking me in a bed, kissing me good night and her going to work. she was a waitress at Denny's. worked the graveyard shift. So I get up the next morning and I'm on my way to school and on my way to school, I see my mom's car parked on the side of the road and I go look in and it was her murder scene. So that was.   I was 11 years old. I never knew who my father was. So after my mom was murdered, I went to live with my aunt. And my aunt was a drug dealer. She was an entrepreneur. And she was a really good entrepreneur. She just used her skills in the wrong way. But when I was 17 years old, I was in the car with her. And we both get pulled over. She's got drugs in the car. And I can remember the cop.   walking up and my aunt leaning over and telling me, if the cops find the drugs, tell them they're yours. She was already on probation. So her getting caught with drugs again was going to send her to prison. So I already lost my mom, right? I didn't have a father. I didn't want to lose my aunt too on top of that. So when the cops found the drugs, I lied and I said they were mine. And my aunt watched as I was handcuffed and put in back of a cop car. Now's my first time being arrested.   The Dental A Team (07:06.285) got to jail, 17 years old slap on the wrist, right? If my first time being arrested, I get released about two weeks later, but something that my aunt did was she praised me. She's like, good job. This is what you do for your family and you protect your family. And looking back now, I know like it's the opposite. She's supposed to protect me. First. not, I'm not, I'm not bashing her for selling drugs or doing anything like that, but having me take the drug charge. was, that was something very different.   but I knew at that time, I'm all in like a criminal lifestyle. This is what I'm going to do. And before the end of that year, I'd committed four armed robberies and I've been convicted of seven families. at 17, I was sent to a maximum security prison in California. So that's, that's kind of like, that's another like pivotal moment in my life is going to prison at 17. Yeah. Okay. There's more that comes and John like sitting here, I remember, so I meet you.   Yeah, I had some like biases. You were we're at Tony Robbins, our mutual friend told us about you. And you just told me some things that Tony Robbins you're like curious like K cradle the grave. Like that's the prison lifestyle. So at 17, had you graduated high school? Or were you still a senior in high school? Or school? I dropped out of school. Seventh grade is the last grade I completed. Stop for real. You see your mom. You're like I'm out your aunt probably different lifestyle.   Okay, so 17, you're starting to do all these things. So how does this work? Tell me from 17 to basically like, how what happens next? You like you get involved? I'm guessing criminal lifestyle? Like, how did you decide to go from like, Johnny from the block? was like literally like going to school. Now you're like in full blown criminal, but I might you're gonna take care of your family have no father, have no mother like this is the family. So you're going to adapt to family life. What happens after you're sent to like, how long are you in prison?   And by the way, you guys, I did ask John of anything that, cause I would, I'm so nosy. I'm so curious about this. And when we were talking at Tony Robbins before we ended up winning, I thought it was actually really awesome. Cause I got to hear your entire story even more so. And then we go on stage and we win. And it even more of a magical moment of like, I didn't feel like we won the conference. I feel like we won your life and like to see you have a very different life than like the path that you were on is why I wanted you on the podcast. Because I remember when we were talking, John,   The Dental A Team (09:33.453) like I had actually had a really rough summer. and I had had like some really hard times. And I remember looking at you and I'm like, John loves himself so much. And you have told me some stories and I'm like, if this man can learn to love himself, like you're such an example for all of us of like, you don't have to be on the path that you were set on. No matter what we've done in life, like we can still have these happy lives.   And I just wanted to bring you on for like hope for people, but also like to learn from your stamina and your grit. And then we are also talking about how the prison and the mob, you're like freaking brilliant at systems. Like the businesses they run are freaking genius, just a little bit on the wrong side. okay. 17. have a question real quick though. have a question. You said you had some biases. can you share, are you comfortable sharing what some of those were? Like what do you envision of a person who's formerly incarcerated or gang member or any of things? What pops up in your mind?   I mean, it's a great question, John. And like, it's slightly embarrassing, but I think it's real. You're a male, I'm a female. I'm told that you're coming here and you just came out of maximum prison. How long has it been? Like what? Two years? Five years. Year two, five years. But there's a question of like, has this man really changed? Or is he going to, and like, especially as a female, like I'm very cautious of who I spend time with. And at certain conferences, full transparency, I have had men.   approach me in ways that are just not appropriate. And I felt uncomfortable around men at even some of the conferences we go to, which I think is just a female's life. And I think a lot of female would probably feel that way. So when our mutual friend Casey told us that he's bringing you to this conference, John, I'm not gonna lie to you. I was like, I'm gonna have my like guard up of like, I'm sure he's a changed man. But at the same time, I also don't want to be dumb and naive, especially as a female and like you came from maximum prison security. And so   I know we can have these honest conversations. And then I met you and who you are as a person. And I was like, this guy deserves everything in the entire world. And that's actually freaking what Defy Adventures is about is like helping incarcerated criminals have a life that's real. like, John, like it is scary because some people like the world is manipulative. The world. want to say about that. me say it's embarrassing. I don't think I hope you don't feel that way because I think what I what I see in that is or what I hear from that. That's   The Dental A Team (11:51.501) That's much of what society paints with it. They just take a brush and they just paint it movies and TV and politics and anything else. They're really good at othering and saying, this is just who everybody is, right? Every single one of them are this terrifying, scary human being. And that's just not the case. But we've been so conditioned to believe that. And then you also just to like...   just to affirm your experiences, that is true. As a female, you go to these conferences and men are, put you in uncomfortable situations and that's a nice way to put it. Just total sleazeballs, I guess, can be unprofessional and not nice. And you think, well, if that's a business person, if that's a CEO, if that's this person, what's this person coming out of prison gonna be like? I mean, it's not wrong. It's accurate.   And it's also scary. How do you know to trust them? Right? Because criminals are literally built upon lies. They're built upon conniving. mean, criminals are like the best salespeople you'll ever meet. And so it's like, how do you trust that this person's truly genuine and that they are changed and that they're not going to like rob me or rape me or steal from me or like find out where I live and send a gang after me. Like I think those are real things, but I also think, like you said, a lot of it's the media.   And I also think that that's why it's hard for incarcerated people when they come out to even have a chance in a shot at life, which is why I think it really is cradle to grave, like you said, because society just throws you right back into that. And like there's stories that you hear of people that are in their hometowns, they leave and they become these incredible people, they come back to the hometown and people put them right back into the shadows that they were in before they left. And they never amount to anything. And I actually feel like that's very similar for you, but like,   How do we trust in society of like, are you a good person? Like, are you good or are you not good? I wanna give you the benefit of the doubt, but I also don't want to like be burned and regret my decisions. I think there's ways to do that, right? I think if we imagine like who would wanna be known for the worst decisions they ever made, like if all of our stuff was ever laid bare, I doubt we would ever trust, there would be very little trust in this world if every decision that you had ever made, you, myself or anyone.   The Dental A Team (14:14.829) every lie you ever told, everything you ever was just like, hey, before we start having a conversation, I just want you to read this extended list of all the bad choices I've made. And then let's see if you're to invest in me as a person or you can get to know me. People would probably kick us out. It wouldn't. But it's our judgment, right? And we can protect ourselves. We don't need to give people our addresses and invite them to our homes or anything like that. It's not.   But it does mean that like as an entrepreneur or people who can hire and who own companies, you can interview people. We have processes for that to check background checks and ways to check and see where people are at and see about their transformation and test them before we bring them closer into our fold. No, absolutely. I think it's brilliant. And that's honestly why I brought you on because I think sometimes the biggest critic is ourselves too. so yes, we can be judgmental of other people, but like you said,   I mean, we all have laundry lists that we wouldn't be proud of. I just think criminals are painted in such a bad light. And I mean, for good reason, right? Like there are things that are done that shouldn't be done. But I also think that like you said something so paramount when we were talking in Florida and you said like, because I remember I asked you point blank, was like, John, how can you love yourself with everything that's happened? And maybe you can answer that question for people because this hit me to my core. And I was like, we're gonna have the podcast once so can re listen to this over and over.   But two, think so many people feel this way. I mean, you've done some pretty heinous things in your life, and yet you still love who you are, and you're still one of the happiest people. The light and life that you exude is just contagious. So how did you come to that? How did you come to that realization of, yeah, I've done all these things, but I still love me as John, and I love who I am, and I'm proud of who I am? Yeah. So two things. can have remorse over the things that I've done. I have done.   bad things in my life that have hurt a lot of people and caused a lot of harm and destruction. And first it starts with ownership. But yes, I did those things. It doesn't matter that I was a kid, right? was a dangerous kid. So full radical ownership. But yes, I committed robberies, I hurt people, and I continued that pattern and that behavior while I was incarcerated. The second part is I wouldn't be who I am today had I not done those things. Had I not spent 18 years in prison, had I not done   The Dental A Team (16:38.347) had I not lived that life, I wouldn't be able to use my experiences to serve other people, to help you, Kiera, see that, not all formerly incarcerated people are bad. Like we are, like, please don't paint us all with the same brush. So I love myself. I get to use my story. get to use my experiences to show other people, hey, you can make it to the other side of this. There is a way out. It won't be easy, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. And I get to show other people who have never experienced that world, look.   Not everyone is that way. If we give them a chance and we invest in people, can be great. Is that some word on the lines with my answer? Yeah, exactly. I also love like, John, I'm curious, Kay, so you're incarcerated at 17. Is that when you were sent in? How long was your sentence at 17? It was 16 years originally. 16 years originally. Did you get out?   And then back in, because you said you were 18 years in prison, how did this work out? Or did you like just get more time extended to you? I got more time added to my sentence. So when I was originally incarcerated, it was for a 16 year prison sentence. And from the start, when I got to prison, I think you can imagine, actually, so incarcerated 17, made it to prison at 18. And like, it was a consecutive sentence. But when I got there, I engaged in violence, I joined a gang, I did all the things that I shouldn't have been doing.   And that got time added onto my sentence, which was like getting, I four years of solitary confinement for my gang involvement. And it just kept piling up and piling up. But I didn't at the time, I don't have that long term, that foresight to see like, I'm 17, 18 years old. It's 17, 18 years from now, I'm still going to be in prison. That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't register for a 17 or 18 year old at the time.   So basically your life of crime was pretty much just a year of your life. Like if we like really boil it all down, I mean, and it was probably a pretty wild year of your life. And I think getting into the prison, it's like perfect. And then like you and I talked about games. I was getting in trouble. That's somewhat accurate. I got sent to prison because of what happened in that short time period. But I committed more crimes, although I was committing crimes all the way up until my last conviction was actually in 2014.   The Dental A Team (19:00.589) where I felt the conviction. And that's while I was incarcerated. like, I hadn't changed. I was still doing the same things all the way up until 2017 is when I made a pretty radical change in my life. Interesting. Okay. Like I said, I brought John on here. I'm so curious because it's so fascinating to me. Like, I think people just assume that they're going to be how it is.   Like, so when you got put into prison, did you plan like, got it, I'm gonna be here for 18 years, I'm gonna get out and be back in here. Or like, what was the thought process of you're being incarcerated? You've sentenced, you had four years of solitary confinement, and you're still doing things like, is it just like life? that like the job? Is that like the status within the That's what you said right there, it's life. Like, it's like, you know what you signed up for. It's like what you signed up for, it's part, it's just part of the deal, right? Like going to solitary confinement.   Like, so basically when you go to prison and you join the gang, the expectation is like, well, blood in, blood out, you know, until the casket drops. And that is taken literally. It's like, you're in. There is no, there usually is no way out. It is until the casket drops that you die. You like you're born. And for many people, this is an inheritance. They're, you know, they're third or fourth generation gang members. And it's like, I'm going to die in prison one day. That is just, this is what it is. like, Hey, like.   You know what you signed up for. Right. Like that's the compelling feature. This is where I'm at. There's really nothing I can do to change it. So let's have like the best ride. And also like within gangs, like you're being praised for doing these things. So you're getting the reinforcement. You're getting the kudos. Like your aunt told you after you come out for being drugs, like that's what you do for your family. it's like, and I mean, we're raised, we're raised by society. We're raised by what people teach us. And so I'm curious. Okay. So now you're there for your school.   Tell me about solitary confinement. Like, is that awful? I just need to know. Like, how is It is awful. It's awful practice that we use in the United States and we use it on children as young as 13, 14 years old. And it's been deemed by, it's been deemed human torture to put someone in an eight by 12 concrete cell and like no human contact. It's hard to explain. It's hard for people to imagine. They think that,   The Dental A Team (21:22.039) TVs or something will show you that, it's 23 hours a day. That's not true. It's 24 hours a day. And even when you go out to recreational yard outdoor activities, it's just another cell outside of your cell. It's not like a real yard. You don't really go out to see the sun or the grass. It's another concrete cell, but it's just a little bit bigger. that's also...   like the grit and the determination and resilience that like, it becomes a challenge for most people who are back there. It's like, well, you're not going to freaking break knees. Like, so like we used to learn, we learned it's the cell faces. If you just imagine that like right now you're in a cell, there's a wall, there's a small window that faces a wall, maybe like four or five feet away. And that's what you look at for years. And that's really all you can see.   but there are seven other people in a unit with you that all face the wall. So you can talk to people. We learned to play chess. We play chess by memory. Like we have chess boards and we can play by memory, playing chess with each other. We play games and you find ways to, reading, working out, cleaning. It's where you, I really learned a lot of the discipline that I have today was learned in prison, in solitary confinement.   reading, writing book reports, working out every day, getting up on time, having a routine and discipline. I learned all of that in prison through the gang. you feel like, okay, tell me more about this. Do you feel like that routine and all the things you learned from that, like you just said, there was the discipline, getting up, like you had to basically probably build your own routine. I'm guessing the prison, like you're in confinement. No, we have one built for us. So the gang has one built for you. You get up, you have a roll call in the morning. It's like, hey everybody, good morning, time to get up.   And you have a workout, I clean my cell, I get a towel every day, a little shampoo, clean my cell down, make sure my cell is really clean, practice good hygiene, shower, brush my bird bath in there. You have a sink with water, so you just bird bath in your cell and read, study, workout. These things are mandatory every day. These aren't options. Okay. So then it like, which is probably good, it instills it.   The Dental A Team (23:38.173) a routine for you, which I think is really paramount in life. like John, you said, like, where did your shift happen? Were you in solitary confinement? Or when you're in confinement? Are you just planning your next crime? Because like within the prison, that's where crimes a lot of times happen. You and I were talking like, I was like, the mafia and prison, like if it could be used for good, honestly, the criminal mind if it can be used for good is beyond brilliant.   they have SOPs, they have a pecking order, like they've got an org chart, like you and I were talking like, yep, you get a handbook when you show up to the gang, like it's wild to me how they run it. They they're profitable. They know their margins. They know what they need to do. They send people out there. They praise them for work well done. And I'm like, if we can just take that and apply it to business, like it's absolutely brilliant. It's just unfortunately done in a way that's not like great outcomes. So how did you change? Like, was it in solitary confinement? Was it like you said you had a radical shift in 2017?   you're still committing crimes from within prison. Like how did you change John? Because so many people I think would argue like you don't really change. But I remember I attended, I'm very fascinated by addictions. I'm fascinated by the way the mind works. And I actually went to this addiction course for a while and they said you don't change until you're like rock bottom. Like everybody will hit a rock bottom and it's oftentimes not for family. It's not for life. Like, but everybody has a rock bottom that you hit. And when you hit it, you actually change. like,   A lot of people don't even get there. So how did you change? Do you agree with that? Do you disagree with that? I do disagree with that. Somebody has to hit a rock bottom. There's a quote by a homo-incredible guy named Chris Wilson. says, rock bottom isn't a place, it's a state of mind. Interesting. Like you can't go find this place anywhere. But it's in me. It's a state of mind. And it's a decision that I don't want to be in this place anymore. But there's also a really good book that I encourage people to read. called The Stages of Change.   in the trans theoretical model is how change actually happens. And there's different stages of it. There's like, I won't go through the whole thing, but there's like, I'm to, I'm blanking on it right now, but there's like, I'm not, there is no problem. I'm not the problem. And actually you're the problem. That's like the first stage of change. And the next one is like, you have awareness, like, there's a problem, but I'm not willing to do anything about it. I like what's happening right now.   The Dental A Team (25:56.749) So there's these different stages of change. I subscribe more to that model that people will make. We make changes in our life in stages. And for me, had started making, I made a radical shift, but that shift didn't happen overnight. But there was like that spark for me. And it was right after, was when I got sent to Pelican Bay State Prison. And after I out of solitary confinement, I was supposed to be going home.   but it was, it was the day before my birthday, was supposed to be going home. And instead of going home, I was starting another four year consecutive sentence for a crime I committed. And that was the day when I decided I was like, all right, something has to change, in my life. But also like I've been doing, I've been living this life for 15 years. I don't know what else to do. But what did happen was I sat, I stayed back from yard, which is in prison.   You typically don't do that. Yard is mandatory. Just in case a riot or something kicks off, we need everybody on the yard. But I stayed in and that was the first time that I remember ever crying in prison for 15 years. I'd never cried. I lost my uncle, I lost my brother, lost so many people throughout my, and never cried. But I cried that day and that was the first time that I remember really wanting to go home. I was like, this is it. If I don't make a change in my life, I'm gonna die in here. And I believe that I...   I had belief that I was meant for more than dying in prison. And that was the big shift for me was I just believe me that I was meant for more than in prison. Insane. And I think it's so incredible. like, okay, so we talk about it it sounds very fairy tale, right? Like we have this moment where we're meant for more, which John, I'm so glad you said that because I think so many other people have that. And that's why I wanted you on the podcast. This is I love talking to you. Because I'm like, gosh, if John can do all these things and realize he's meant for more.   Like so many other people were so hard on ourselves and like know we're all meant for more. So tell me like, how did you process it? Also being in a gang. I remember when I met you, I was like, I don't even know how you're out in your life because like leaving a gang is usually death. Like there's no way and you're in a very prominent gang. Like how did you, how do you change? How do you get out from a gang where you're like usually killed if you leave a gang? That's why people don't love gangs.   The Dental A Team (28:17.805) But they're so prompt, like they're good businesses, they're good recruiters, like and young boys and like, it's all the things that young, it's all the things that boys and like men want war money, like it's all, it's all there. It's all there. meets the needs, it meets those needs. do a good job. Those needs. We were talking and you're like, they're great at recruiting. Like they literally list off everything you want. They recruit you when you're young and you're not making like intelligent decisions and then you're in it for life. So   You go through this moment where you realize you're meant for more. How do you change? how do you change? How do you get out of a gang? Because I think so many people, you were facing probably one of the biggest uphill battles of any person I have ever met, John. Like, I'm probably gonna write a book about you. Like, I've never written a book, but gosh, like your story is just so fascinating to me because I think so many people would just feel like there's no hope and yet you found hope when there was no hope. Like, I would say that most people would be able to find. So walk me through, how do you transform into the man you are today?   So it was more action than it was anything else. was like, to me, it was coming out and letting my homeboys know. First, giving up positions that I had in prison. I gave up, I was an entrepreneur in prison. I used to run every single business you could imagine. I ran gambling pools, I sold alcohol, I sold drugs, I sold cell phones. I created markets where there wasn't one. That was how I all my money in prison. And I stopped doing that. That was- is also so wild. Can we just pause there? I remember I was talking and it's like-   How do you even do this? And you're like, well, you get to know people. It's like freaking sales in prison. You get to know all the guards. You notice they're having a bad day. You get them to bring this up in. Like it is wild. And I remember we were talking, there was someone else in the group with us and they're like, well, all this happens in prison. I'm like, yeah, I even know this. Like they're freaking run businesses within the prison. And it is like multimillion billion. Like it is a very thriving business. They're very large. They're very scalable businesses. And like I was small time. I made good money, but I, I,   For example, I would run gambling pools. It was on football, baseball, basketball. I even ran gambling pools on the Oscars and what's that? I forgot the name of show, but the Bachelor. I used to run gambling pools in the Bachelor. They would pick who's gonna win and all I would do is take a cut of the money. And I was just a facilitator for people to be able to gamble. But when I would get to a new facility or a new yard, I would undercut whoever was already running, whoever was running these pools.   The Dental A Team (30:43.917) I would just undercut them and I would over deliver. They're charging $2 for a ticket. I charge $1 for a ticket. They take 15%. I take 10%. And I put them out of business and then I come back and hire them. And I hire them as like a kind of like a franchise. It's like, okay, now you're gonna do it for me in your building and I'm gonna give you 2 % of the cut. All you gotta do is pass out the football tickets and collect the money and give it to me and I'm gonna pay you. Okay, but how do you do that? Now I get killed in prison. Like that's not a joke.   Like I feel like you come in, there's a top dog and you take them down. They usually take you out. is it just because you- There's rules. That's where the rules come in. There's so many rules. Yeah. There's like, don't just get to go out and fight people whenever you want. You don't just get to go out and assault people whenever you want. Like it doesn't work. Like it does not. That's movies. And also that's also California. California is very organized, very structured. So it's like, Hey, you just got put out of business. Like too bad for you. Like nobody's gonna like-   They can get upset whatever they want, like that's not going to, that's violence is violence is always 99.9 % of the time is always predetermined. It's not random. Even when it's against an officer, it is not random. There is a high likelihood that that officer came in. I'm not justifying why that happens. not saying there's any reason why anyone should ever be assaulted. but when you're living in that life, there are   in that criminal mindset, there are justifications. And I've seen officers come in and take someone's family photos and throw them in the toilet and tear them up. And it's like, well, you just destroyed something that meant really a lot to that person. And they believe that their only way of justifying that, rectifying that is by going out and assaulting them. So it doesn't happen. No one wakes up one morning and be like, I feel like going out and stabbing someone. That doesn't happen.   Because it's a business. It's a plan like and as gross as that is you and I were talking about this and I'm like, I'm fascinated by business and I'm fascinated by criminal minds. Because like, it is a business and it is a livelihood. It's a lifestyle. Like this is how you get like all of us do things for money for our lives. And if that's all you've ever been taught, it's very hard to know different case. So you're the entrepreneur in there, you're undercutting all the other businesses. Like how do you change and also how do you even tell the gang that you're not going to be a part of it? That's like so   The Dental A Team (33:03.957) a foreign, you must be really good at sales or something, John, because I feel like, like that's just not heard of. So it's a couple of things. So first, like some of the, the, some of my older own boys who are in prison, who are internet men in prison for a very long time and have a lot of influence, they were my mentors. They, and with proximity is power, right? So like I was around people who have a lot of power and, they believed in me.   And eventually, I let people know, like, hey, I'm not doing that anymore. And it was right around that time that Defy Ventures came to Pelican Bay as well, which is an entrepreneurship program. And it really came in at just the right time because I didn't know what to supplement. There's a huge gap in my life, and I don't know what else to put, but then Defy came and was like, okay, well, here's how you can start to use these skills in a positive way. And that was really what helped to self-solidify my change was I was able to help guys. I graduated from the program.   I became a facilitator and a leader within the program. And now guys, instead of coming to me for alcohol and phones and everything else, they're coming to me for resume feedback, business ideation feedback. They're coming to me for positive things and how can they get involved in programs? So it's like I was taking myself out of the negative conversations around the gang and taking myself out of anything that had to do with the gang and putting myself into positive, into more positive things. And people saw that.   And yeah, people called me all kinds of names when I first started making changes in my life. Names I won't repeat, but you can imagine what they are. But what I realized was it takes a lot more courage to step away and not be involved. is the easy thing to do is get involved in rides and sell drugs. That's easy to do because everybody else is doing it. But eventually one of the top guys in my game,   He eventually asked me, it, he pulled me over on the yard and was like, John, is this really what you want? Like, you really want to leave? I was like, yeah. Well, I didn't answer that quickly because I was terrified. He's like, yeah, this is really what I want. And he's like, good, because you're too smart to be in here and you could do more than die in prison. So mind your own business, go home. We love you. Go home. And he was, he's been down, he's been in prison for almost 40 years. did 32 consecutive years in solitary confinement.   The Dental A Team (35:27.213) He was first arrested when he was four years old. Four? He was four years old and he was arrested. I didn't know they could even arrest four year olds. I didn't know that. Yes. it's kind of, I say this, in the land of the free, we have handcuffs that are small and lifted around the wrist of a four year old child. Wow. Insane. What were his chances that he was going to go to college? What were the chances that he was in a   do anything, but he's one of the most charismatic CEOs you'll ever meet. That's incredible. So you change. I think it's what I love. And I'm curious, do you feel like your solitary confinement and the grit and the mental stamina you built up there possibly could have influenced your decisions to leave and to have a different life? Like, feel like that solitary confinement, if you will allow it, which I think so many things in our lives could allow.   For me, John, listening to your story, I'm curious if you learned mental stamina, mental grit. You'd already done probably some of the hardest things. I think that actually was probably harder than telling people that you want to have a different life. Do you feel like there was any mental stamina that you learned or grit or lessons you learned that maybe made it easier for you, even though easy is like with massive air quotes? Because I don't think any of what you did was easy. But do you think any of that played into it for you? Definitely. It also helped that I've been to that stuff because that's a resume builder in prison that you put in words.   Bender the shoe. This shoe is a solitary housing. It's called solitary housing unit. So then the shoe, you found these things and then when you get to Pelican Bay, which is like the white house or like, it's like where you want to go. If you get to, when you get to Pelican Bay, you're like, yeah, I made it. It's like, that's your like stamp. That's like your stamp of approval. Is that just cause it's the hardest prison? Like why is Pelican Bay? Okay. They're the hardest prison. It was, it's one of the, it's the only super max in California. And I think it's changed now. They're there. Hopefully they shut it down, but it was known for.   All the top game leaders are put in solitary confinement there. And it's where like, there's a few prisons in California and Pelican Bay is one. Pelican Bay was one of them. So like I had the mental grid and determination. I was still terrified. It's like at the end of the day, like I'm just one, just one person, but I really, what I was more afraid of dying in prison than like, because I'm not dying in prison anyways. Like, what are you guys going to do to Right. No, it's a Stupid slash am, like stupid slash arrogant.   The Dental A Team (37:51.329) which works out, which works out sometimes and right. Yeah. For entrepreneurs, think it works out sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. It worked out this time. Interesting. Okay. So the five entries is such a cool company and such an amazing thing because it really does help these. I feel like it's almost like the redirect. So you're taking these criminals that have had like amazing, brilliant, you just redirect them into something good because I do believe, and I don't know, you've been in prison, you've seen probably the darker side of life. John, I believe   that people are inherently good. Do you believe that after seeing the dark side of life? you believe that sentiment as well? Yes, I do. And I've seen it. Even the guys that I talk about who have been incarcerated for 30, 40 years and have done, made terrible choices. I've made terrible choices too. There's like when you tap into a softer part of them, when they have hope, hope, when they have hope, right? It makes such a huge difference in someone's life when someone has hope versus   Like you're an animal and you're a monster and you're dying in prison, right? Then when you have hope, some of that good starts to come out. The good, I can see it, I can point to it because I'm right here today. The goodness in them said, John, go home, do good. I still talk to them to this day and they love seeing me win. They love what I get to They love seeing me succeed and do great things, even though they will never, they'll never get out of prison. But they love seeing other people succeed.   Which is incredible to me because you would think like, can criminals really be kind and have kind hearts? Cause you see the evil side of it. I think John, okay, I have a few more questions. I know we're coming up, but like, okay. Question one is tell me about what it was like. Well, actually I'm going to ask this question first. Cause then I want to hear like a happier side. I think there's a preconceived notion about people that who are criminals and then they change that like,   Well, yeah, but is this like a long thing? And like, do you ever get tempted to go, I don't know, do all the things you used to do? Like there was status, there was power. Like, how do you navigate? It's almost like you've tasted of that fruit. How do you not go back to that? As human natures, right? Human nature is easy. like, riddle me on that one. How do people trust him believe that these incarcerated criminals really have like truly changed and are just going to like flip a switch one day or they'll go back to their old roots? Like,   The Dental A Team (40:18.733) Can you answer anything on that? Because I think that that's a misconception across the board. that takes work. These are patterns for whether someone's in any patterns. It's like addiction. It's a pattern in our life. There's a pathway in our brain, whether it's violence, aggression, whatever it is that we're engaging in. That's a pathway that's been created in our brain and it can become a go-to just like that. So it takes years of work to start undoing those patterns and learning new patterns.   And we can all learn new patterns. Our brains are very, that plasticity, right? Our brains can learn. We're forever learning. So for myself, ask about like, what, do I have criminal thoughts? Yeah, I have them all the time. But I know that I don't want to do, I don't want to do that. Number one is I don't want to create more victims. Number two, I never want to go back to prison. I never want to give up my, I'll never give up my freedom again. There's nothing in this world that will make me give up my freedom again. And I can get my needs met in other ways.   Right? Like whether it's significance, whether it's contribution, whatever those needs are, I can get them, I can meet them now in a legitimate way because I have the skills and the tools to get to meet them. Whereas before, the people who we serve in prison, they didn't have, no one sent them to school. No one sent, like when I dropped, when I got kicked out of school in seventh grade, nobody came to look for me. The school, the school didn't, the school never called my family and asked about me.   No truant officer ever came searching for me. Right? Like that to me, that's why, because there's multiple factors. It could be the neighbor that you grew up in, how much money you have, and the color of your skin. Determines the opportunities and the ways that we were raised. So many of the people who come to prison with us, the volunteers, the CEOs and executives, we ask a series of questions and we ask like, how many of you have more than 50 books in your house growing up? Your parents pay for you to attend private school.   Your parents tucked you into bed every night, right? At least one parent tucked you into bed. Like I heard gunshots in my neighborhood growing up. Like these, and you see the stark contrast between the opportunities that we had. So is it expected that there, that people who are incarcerated have these patterns in their life that have, that have gone on for years. But at Defy, we can teach them and start to give them new patterns of, you used to do this in prison for the gang. Well, you can convert that.   The Dental A Team (42:46.573) over it, this is a, it's called a transferable skill. You can transfer that skill set over here and use it this way. That's incredible. I love it. And that's ultimately what Defy is for. And that's what like changed your life is this company that you guys are a part of comes in and they teach the curriculum. They give like, you guys have your little SOPs. You've got all your manuals. They go through class. How long do people usually   participate in DeFi before they are. So it's not easy. This is the curriculum they're going through. This is a lot of curriculum that they are going through and reading. And if you have everything in here from self-limiting beliefs to building out your business model to running an MVP, they have everything through that. And it's a lot. It takes around six months for them. It takes about six months for them to get through the curriculum. That's awesome.   And that's like really what your passion is now. So, okay, I'm going to ask the question and then we're going to talk about Defy and how you even got to Defy. But okay, I need to know. So it was probably what 2017 and you were released in 2019? Yeah, got on June 19th, 2019. June 19th. I bet you'll never forget that day. Well, actually I think the greatest thing happened this year I did forget and Casey texted me and was like, congratulations. What for? It's your five years. I forgot that I did forget. That actually felt really good to forget that.   It felt good to forget that. That's amazing. I, that makes me actually so happy because then it's not a stamp of remembering who you were, but who you are today is what you're actually living. So basically two years from the time like you made this decision, two years, you build up a business plan, you're learning all these skills, you're released. I need to know like, and I don't even know if you can put into words, like what did it feel like to have freedom back after 17 years?   of not having freedom, of being in solitary confinement, of feeling like you're gonna be in this for the rest of your life, to then changing and realizing, I want a different life. Can you just explain to the listeners and to me, what does that even feel like? Because I think we take for granted our life, our love, our happiness, all the things that we have on a daily basis, and you had all that stripped away from you for years, for good reason, right? There were consequences associated, but what did that even feel like when you were released? So my release was a bit of a journey.   The Dental A Team (45:04.129) There was a typo in my transcripts, in my transcripts that I was supposed to, I had committed crimes in Texas where I was originally born. I went back to court, I served my time, I did everything. The transcriber forgot to check a box that I had been incarcerated for 18 years. So I had the federal marshals come pick me up from prison and fly me out to Texas. And they held me against my will for 10 days before they released me.   it took lawyers, I had volunteers or mentors of mine who I met through defy who got me an attorney and fought for me and eventually fought for my eventually won my release after 10 days. but even up until that moment, they called me out and like Jackson, it's called RC or RCO one. Like you're going home. and then I'm like, you're going home. I'm like, I didn't believe them. I felt like I had been screwed over by the system so many times and I.   They're like, give us your social security number forward, give us your social security number backwards, what address you used to live at when you were 13. And I don't remember any of this stuff. And then I get in front of a glass door and they're just waiting for it to open. just didn't believe it was gonna open.   But I finally did and I was able to walk back and I got the hell out of there as fast as I could because I was scared they would come back and take me away and tell me like, we're just screwing with you. Like it's a joke. not really letting you go. And finally made my way back to California. So they flew me out to Texas. I had no idea or nothing. I had to find my way back to California within 72 hours to go over my parole meeting.   So, but I got on a flight. I was able to fly with no ID. How did you do that? That's impressive. So I started working for another organization called 2.0 and we printed up a fake IP. Our business manager printed up a fake IP for me, printed it up, sent it to Kinko's and I went and got it and I got in the plane.   The Dental A Team (47:17.485) It's fine. We gave away crime. just smelt like it's just a little like we're fine. I had to get back to California to violate my parole. Yeah. All right. So you get back. Go on. was like it's taken. It has taken time to it's very trying. It is re-entering society after 18 years of that. It's very traumatizing. I had a hard time sleeping. didn't sleep. Casey being a   Going to Casey's was actually the first time I fell asleep. I fell asleep at his house. I hadn't slept in close to like five days. I hadn't slept. Just because I couldn't like be in a room with doors and windows and large spaces. I was not used to that. I was used to being in a small cell that, you know, I know everything that's going on in that cell. then it's, it's, it's taken a lot of time, a lot of healing and a lot of therapy to be able to like sleep with my bedroom door open now. Yeah.   That's incredible. It's amazing. John, like it was thank you for sharing because it touches me too, because I can only imagine and I felt it. I think at a very small level because I'll never know what that felt like. To hear because I agree, I it was so like, this even real life? And well, I mean, I've got all the hopes and aspirations, but will I actually be able to achieve everything that I know I'm meant to do? And then now five years later, you're married, you have a house, you you've got this happy life. Like   I just remember watching you at Tony Robbins and I think so many people love being there. And I feel like you're experiencing life like for the first time. It's almost like watching a child experience life, not that you're a child, but just the joy and the love and like you're experiencing life I feel firsthand for the first time right now. And I think to be able to watch you do that was so magical for me because like I take these things for granted. I mean, I get to go to these events and I get to have these and like, yes, it's amazing, but.   Like watching you just, feels like every day you live, you live to the fullest. And I don't know if you want to comment on that. And then I want to talk about Defy and help you. I try to, I still like, I have hard days. I have days like, I, that, that days that suck, days that are like not the best, right? But trying to practice gratitude and I can, I can forget that sometimes. can forget, but I actually like thinking about it, I'm actually grateful that sometimes I can have those days because I'm that far away from where I used to be that I can be like,   The Dental A Team (49:39.949) crap, I'm stuck in traffic. I'm not in solitary confinement. This traffic, I mean, 80 is really bad. I'll give it Five years ago, like, I would have done anything to just be able to sit in traffic, right? And sitting at cell. But I look at it as like, but it's a good reminder to be like, yeah, could have, I could, my life could be much, much worse. But today I get to use my life for to do great. I get to live what I believe is my purpose and why God put me on this earth. So I love that.   I love that you just said that because I think maybe that was like the piece I wanted people to hear. There's so many pieces I wanted people to hear from you, but to hear like today I get to live my life on purpose. I get to live what I was meant to be here for. And I think like hearing someone like John, I don't think so many of us listening will ever understand what it feels like to be in prison for 18 years. Like I hope so many people don't have that. And I think just like you really bring me back to gratitude every time I talk to you of just like how blessed I am to have the life I have and to   like live those days and to live the purpose that I was meant to be and like we're all created for more. And so tell me a little bit about Kay, here's John five years. You have to five ventures kind of tell us a little bit about what the five ventures are because I think it's incredible that entrepreneurs like most of the listeners here were able to go in and give you the gift of entrepreneurship. And now you're doing that for more incarcerated criminals. And when Casey talked on stage, he said like,   The US is not as big of a population and yet we house the most criminals within the US. Like you probably know those stats way better than I do. We have about 5 % of the world's population, but we incarcerate 25%. We have 25 % of the world's incarcerated population. The vast majority of them are black and brown people. That's just the reality. We have one of the highest recidivism rates in the world. All of these things that show that we have a broken system, a system that does not work.   And I know what you went to me when I heard that I was like staggering statistics. And just thinking like what you guys are trying to do is stop generational crime and stop like the path of cradle to grave and like, I don't know you said blood to casket, like crazy to me that that's how but you're like, this is my life. That's all you know. And it's like, well, think about where we raise and like, my parents went to college. So I went to college and   The Dental A Team (51:57.229) Like, yes, we can break away from it, but breaking away from the mold, I do think is hard. And so kind of tell us a little about about five ventures. And if people are interested, this is our live to give this year of like having a way to give back. was so incredible to see how many people were able to help through this program at Tony Robbins. And then also for me and all the listeners know every year we do live to give and something that just really is a bigger impact than ourselves. Cause I believe we're so blessed as entrepreneurs, let's give back and serve more. So kind of tell us a little about.   what DeFi Ventures does and how people can get a part of that if they want to. Yeah, so DeFi, we leverage entrepreneurship. We want to, it's we call it transforming their hustle, right? It's taking all those skills that they've learned through the criminal and gang life and using them to apply to start their own business. And they don't have to start a business. They can also do that, like being what's called an entrepreneur, where you are using that creativity, using all your skills as an employee. So we leverage that. And what we do is we   also recruit CEOs, executives and business leaders to come into prison with us for our events. They're very similar to what we get to do at Tony Robbins. People jumping around, having a great time, getting people in state and giving feedback on their business pitches. Because we're going to get them all the way to writing a business pitch and post it after they get out of prison. We help them get them all the way to seed funding as well. If they're doing, if they're meeting certain benchmarks, we'll put them in front of investors to help them start their business.   but they have to have a job, have to have stable housing, which we help them do after they get out. We're building character and leadership development in them as well. Because as you know, as entrepreneurs, it's not just about making money. Like that's not what defines an entrepreneur. There's a lot that goes into it. Like you can make a boat ton of money and ruin your life, ruin your marriage, ruin a whole lot of things if you don't have great coping skills. So we take a holistic approach to the healing and...   That's a big part of what we get to do at Defy is yes, we want you to start a business, but more than that, we want you to develop you as leaders and develop your character. So to date, we've helped launch over 600 businesses for people who are formerly incarcerated. One of the guys you can look up, he's a rock star, name is Cos Marte. He founded a company called ConBody. I he's got over 75,000 customers and he does prison style workouts for people. So if you want a good workout, you can go to ConBody.   The Dental A Team (54:15.469) and we'll partner you up with somebody who's formerly incarcerated and they'll get your butt working out. We have lot of things by 90 % employment rate, 90 days post release for our EITs. We call it EITs. That stands for Entrepreneurs in Training. And so when they get out, we help them get jobs. We have partnership with Google, Apple, LegalZoom to help them get on their feet, them get a laptop, start their business, incorporate their business. And the ways to get involved are one,   We're a 501c3 nonprofit, so it costs us $1,700 per person to put someone through the CEO of your New Life program. So you can sponsor someone. Even in your chapter, we have multiple chapters. We're a nationwide organization. So if you're in Utah, California, Washington, the tri-state area, Pennsylvania, Illinois, can search for defy.org and support a chapter near you. Or you can...   We go to volunteer as well. love bringing people into prison, business coaches and mentors to come in and invest in our entrepreneurs and training and give them the feedback that they desperately need. And it makes a huge difference when you come to prison with us and invest in people for people who have been incarcerated 20, 25, 30 years that people actually care. And it also starts like what happened for you, Kiera, it starts to break those stereotypes or those beliefs that you have about what someone is from there, who someone is.   that has committed a crime or someone who's incarcerated. Yeah, I love it. Dental A Team does live to give every single year. this is just something when I met you, John, and yes, we won the trophy. But like I said, I feel like we won life. you've just taught me to, like I said, you can love yourself even in spite of everything that's happened. And you see yourself as, I'm John. Yes, I've done those things. But like, I love me as a person. And I can feel sad for those things. And I can have remorse. And I can do all the things to repair.   but it doesn't define you either. And I feel like you just have this love and this sparkle of life, which makes me so happy. And then to be able to give that to other people, I think is just an incredible cause that you guys are doing and excited. I'll be there January 17th. I'll see you guys. And am I scared out of my mind? I'm like, John, are you sure I'll be safe? Like, how do know these people aren't going to like grab my hair and hold me by my throat with a knife? Like, do I fear that? John. can address that right now. And I could just share with people who might think that prison is a...   The Dental A Team (56:40.941) So these are rules that are in prison from gangs, right? That like, not saying that I agree with them, but like, if you have a sex offense, you rape or child molestation, those types of crimes are severely frowned upon and actually violence is committed against people who come in with those crimes. And I brought hundreds and thousands of hundreds, literally hundreds, and over the 10 years that we've been doing this organization, we brought thousands of women to prison. Never once have we had any incident. It is one of the most   The men there that you will meet will be the most respectful kind. One of the safest places you can be is actually in a maximum security prison, especially for women. respect that the men have in there for you all coming in there to support us and care about us. We know why you're there. It's to serve and I want to learn from you. I'm not there trying to do anything else. I want to learn from you. That's really what it's about.   That's amazing. And thank you for speaking to that because I do like those are the fears that's media and but I think it's such an incredible cause to give people a second chance in life and to put them through programs like yourself where you are coming as the product of this program and looking what you can do for all these people. So John, I just appreciate you in my life. I appreciate learning from you. I appreciate that you let me ask all of my questions and your story.   You're a great question asker. That's why we want to talk about it. I was not here asking questions. You're a great interv

Holiday shoppers are busy nailing down deals on smart TVs, cookware sets, and leather handbags at big-name online and retail stores. Native business owners and individual entrepreneurs offer an alternative during the holiday buying rush with gift ideas that make both an impression for the receivers and a difference for the sellers. We have some experts on gifts made by Native Americans that you might not have thought of. GUESTS Rico Worl (Tlingit and Athabascan), social designer and founder of Trickster Company Major Robinson (Northern Cheyenne), owner of Sage & Oats Trading Post Tally Monteau (Hunkpati Dakota), project manager for Triia with NADC Calvin Crosby (Cherokee), owner of King's English Bookshop and executive director of Brain Food Books

Brace yourselves: The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back, this time with retired Lieutenant General Russell L. Honoré—who proves you can train and lead half a million troops and drop some epic truth bombs on HR, AI, and America's obsession with cheap stuff. In this spicy episode, we cover: HR Meets Boot Camp: General Honoré schools us on why leading people isn't about asking, “You're good, right?” and walking off like a clueless middle manager. Robots Can't Cook Gumbo: Automation might make life easier, but it's not making you a killer bowl of Cajun deliciousness—or fixing that flat tire you're whining about. Recruitment Woes: From the Army's “12 teeth rule” (yes, you read that right) to recruiting Gen Z kids glued to their phones, the General doesn't hold back on what needs fixing. Boomers vs. Gen Z: Growing up poor meant fixing TVs with tinfoil and watching The Lone Ranger without a picture. Now? Kids need a new flat screen if the remote has dust on it. Mental Health Wake-Up Call: Spoiler alert: If your employee mentions seeing floating elephants, maybe don't just tell them to get back to work. Sprinkled with Honoré's signature wit, biting honesty, and a dose of “adapt-or-die” wisdom, this episode delivers laughs, snark, and some much-needed perspective on leadership in a rapidly changing world. Strap in, folks—it's time to break things (figuratively) and rebuild smarter. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro: HR's Most Dangerous Podcast 01:21 - Leadership Lessons from the Army 02:25 - The Art of Listening to Troops 03:20 - Managing Half a Million Troops 08:33 - Automation's Impact on Society 12:05 - The Changing Economy and Workforce 15:16 - Adapt or Die: Breaking What's Not Broken 17:04 - Recruiting Challenges: Then vs. Now 20:36 - Addressing Mental Health in Leadership 22:12 - Closing Thoughts: People Over Profits

When we think of IoT, we first think of our smart light bulbs, our smart TVs, our smart baby monitors. However, we don't typically associate IoT with high-performance race cars, and yet they collect terabytes of data each race. Austin Allen, Director of Solutions Architecture at Airlock Digital, discusses the growing presence of smart devices and the responsibility of securing them—should it be the developers who write the code, or the individuals who implement it?

Holiday shoppers are busy nailing down deals on smart TVs, cookware sets, and leather handbags at big-name online and retail stores. Native business owners and individual entrepreneurs offer an alternative during the holiday buying rush with gift ideas that make both an impression for the receivers and a difference for the sellers. We have some experts on gifts made by Native Americans that you might not have thought of.

Brace yourselves: The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back, this time with retired Lieutenant General Russell L. Honoré—who proves you can train and lead half a million troops and drop some epic truth bombs on HR, AI, and America's obsession with cheap stuff. In this spicy episode, we cover: HR Meets Boot Camp: General Honoré schools us on why leading people isn't about asking, “You're good, right?” and walking off like a clueless middle manager. Robots Can't Cook Gumbo: Automation might make life easier, but it's not making you a killer bowl of Cajun deliciousness—or fixing that flat tire you're whining about. Recruitment Woes: From the Army's “12 teeth rule” (yes, you read that right) to recruiting Gen Z kids glued to their phones, the General doesn't hold back on what needs fixing. Boomers vs. Gen Z: Growing up poor meant fixing TVs with tinfoil and watching The Lone Ranger without a picture. Now? Kids need a new flat screen if the remote has dust on it. Mental Health Wake-Up Call: Spoiler alert: If your employee mentions seeing floating elephants, maybe don't just tell them to get back to work. Sprinkled with Honoré's signature wit, biting honesty, and a dose of “adapt-or-die” wisdom, this episode delivers laughs, snark, and some much-needed perspective on leadership in a rapidly changing world. Strap in, folks—it's time to break things (figuratively) and rebuild smarter.

Brace yourselves: The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back, this time with retired Lieutenant General Russell L. Honoré—who proves you can train and lead half a million troops and drop some epic truth bombs on HR, AI, and America's obsession with cheap stuff. In this spicy episode, we cover: HR Meets Boot Camp: General Honoré schools us on why leading people isn't about asking, “You're good, right?” and walking off like a clueless middle manager. Robots Can't Cook Gumbo: Automation might make life easier, but it's not making you a killer bowl of Cajun deliciousness—or fixing that flat tire you're whining about. Recruitment Woes: From the Army's “12 teeth rule” (yes, you read that right) to recruiting Gen Z kids glued to their phones, the General doesn't hold back on what needs fixing. Boomers vs. Gen Z: Growing up poor meant fixing TVs with tinfoil and watching The Lone Ranger without a picture. Now? Kids need a new flat screen if the remote has dust on it. Mental Health Wake-Up Call: Spoiler alert: If your employee mentions seeing floating elephants, maybe don't just tell them to get back to work. Sprinkled with Honoré's signature wit, biting honesty, and a dose of “adapt-or-die” wisdom, this episode delivers laughs, snark, and some much-needed perspective on leadership in a rapidly changing world. Strap in, folks—it's time to break things (figuratively) and rebuild smarter.

The Kentucky Technado James Mason has talked a lot about smart TVs on the show but today he is talking about the operating systems within the TVs that make them so dang smart.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We're wrapping up a huge 2024! PK & Brucey look back on the year, from shattered TVs and legendary guests like Nathan Jones and Sooshi Mango to wild road trips up the coast. Plus, we're gearing up for Benny's boxing debut in Thailand, dream guest reveals, and even more epic content on the horizon. LFG Benny!

Jimmy Conrad, Charlie Davies and Tony Meola get into the weeds about Malik Tillman whose stellar form at PSV has fans buzzing, but can he translate his club success to the national team (4:30)? Meanwhile, Gio Reyna's place in the national team depth chart sparks debate — does the seldom-seen Dortmund man a lock for Mauricio Pochettino (25:04)? Paxten Aaronson continues to dazzle at Utrecht, Jedi Robinson dons Fulham's captain's armband, and in a welcome return, Tyler Adams logs a full 90 minutes for Bournemouth (35:46)! The guys assess the LA Galaxy and New York Red Bulls' paths to the MLS Cup, and react to Riqui Puig's untimely injury (45:20). And with John Herdman calling it quits at Toronto FC, the crew discuss whether the Englishman's legacy will ever recover following the fallout from Canada Soccer's drone scandal (55:36). Call It What You Want is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow the Call It What You Want team on X: @JimmyConrad, @CharlieDavies9, @TMeola1 Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest in sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos for betting on soccer. For more soccer coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ You can also watch Call It What You Want on the CBS Sports Golazo Network for free on connected TVs and mobile devices through the CBS Sports app, Pluto TV, and on CBSSports.com as well as Paramount+. Watch UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, UEFA Europa Conference League, EFL, Serie A, Coppa Italia, CONCACAF Nations League, NWSL, Scottish Premiership, Brasileiro, Argentine Primera División, AFC Champion League by subscribing to Paramount+ Sign up to the Golazo newsletter, your ultimate guide to the Beautiful Game as our experts take you beyond the pitch and around the globe with news that matters. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CTL Script/ Top Stories of November 26th Publish Date: November 26th   Pre-Roll: From the Ingles Studio Welcome to the Award-Winning Cherokee Tribune Ledger Podcast    Today is Saturday, November 30th and Happy Birthday to June Pointer ***11.30.24 - BIRTHDAY – JUNE POINTER*** I'm Keith Ippolito and here are the stories Cherokee is talking about, presented by Credit Union of Georgia.  1.      Canton Approves Expansion of Historic District 2.      CCFES Collecting Toys for Annual Toy Drive 3.      Etowah Senior Named Keep Cherokee Beautiful's Volunteer of the Year We'll have all this and more coming up on the Cherokee Tribune-Ledger Podcast, and if you're looking for Community news, we encourage you to listen and subscribe!    Commercial: CU of GA (06.26.24 CU OF GA FREE CHECKING_REV_FINAL) STORY 1: Canton Approves Expansion of Historic District The Canton City Council approved the expansion of the city's Historic District with a 5-1 vote on November 21, with Bryan Roach opposing. Mayor Bill Grant emphasized the expansion aligns with the city's goals of enhancing neighborhoods and preserving historic downtown Canton. The expansion, supported by the historical society, extends mainly east along East Main Street and north along Brown Street. Properties added through this expansion will require review by the Historic Preservation Commission (HPC) for any future exterior work. Councilmember Shawn Tolan highlighted the necessity of expansion to maintain the district's character against inappropriate development. The HPC had previously recommended the expansion and new design guidelines. While the council did not vote on design guidelines, these will be set by the HPC. The updated Historic District map and guidelines will be available on the city's website under the Community Development section. STORY 2: CCFES Collecting Toys for Annual Toy Drive Cherokee County Fire and Emergency Services is hosting its annual Toy Drive, collecting new, unwrapped toys to support local organizations like Toys for Tots and MUST Ministries. Donations can be made at any Cherokee County fire station until December 15, with clearly marked collection boxes available. However, boxes may be temporarily unavailable if crews are out on emergency calls. Fire Chief Eddie Robinson expressed gratitude for the community's generosity, highlighting the Toy Drive as a chance to support children and families in need during the holiday season. For more information or to locate the nearest fire station, residents can visit www.CherokeeCountyFire.com or contact CCFES headquarters at 678-493-4000. STORY 3: Etowah Senior Named Keep Cherokee Beautiful's Volunteer of the Year Etowah High School senior Hayden Raffield received the Volunteer of the Year Award from Keep Cherokee Beautiful on November 19, recognized for his environmental dedication. Raffield's volunteer work expanded this year as he successfully advocated for the creation of a Keep Cherokee Beautiful Student Council. This council aims to engage high school students in environmental preservation and community projects, such as Adopt-a-Mile and educational workshops, while fostering leadership skills and civic responsibility. Applications for the council are open until December 20. Additionally, Raffield co-founded the Eagle's Service Connection club at his school, where he serves as president. In its first year, the club's members completed 700 hours of community service, and membership has grown to over 160 members this school year. We have opportunities for sponsors to get great engagement on these shows. Call 770.874.3200 for more info.    Back in a moment    Break: Drake (Drake Realty (Cherokee County) STORY 4: Cherokee County Students Earn AP Scholars Honors The Cherokee County School District announced that over 900 students have received national AP Scholar awards, recognizing their exceptional performance on multiple AP exams. The AP Program honors students each fall for outstanding college-level achievement, with awards at three levels: AP Scholar with Distinction, AP Scholar with Honor, and AP Scholar. These awards are based on the number of exams passed and the scores achieved. Students scoring 3 or higher on an AP exam can earn college credit, potentially saving on tuition costs. CCSD students collectively earn nearly $4 million annually in Georgia in-state college tuition through AP credits. The district's high schools offer over 30 AP courses. While most AP Scholars are seniors, this year's honorees also include juniors and sophomores, highlighting the district's strong academic performance across multiple grade levels. STORY 5: Cherokee Recycling Center Hosting Electronics Recycling Event The Cherokee County Recycling Center is hosting an electronics recycling event on December 14, from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m., at the Cherokee County Conference Center in Canton. In partnership with ECO Trading LLC, residents can dispose of electronics like computers and printers. Vendors will also collect expired car seats, clothing, textiles, and shoes. Most electronics are accepted for free, but fees apply for televisions ($20), CRT monitors ($10), and large projection TVs ($40). Proceeds benefit Keep Cherokee Beautiful. This drive-thru event requires participants to remain in their cars while volunteers collect items. For more information, call 770-516-4195.   Commercial:   STORY 6: Cherokee Water and Sewerage Authority to Host Class for Real Estate Agents The Cherokee County Water and Sewerage Authority is offering real estate agents an opportunity to earn education credits through the "Septic System and the Home Realtor Class." This free class, organized in collaboration with Cherokee County Stormwater Management and the Department of Public, will take place on December 4, from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m., at the Cherokee County Conference Center in Canton. Real estate agents interested in attending must RSVP by November 26 to will.england@ccwsa.com. STORY 7: Labor Chief Thompson Dies At Age 59 After Battle With Pancreatic Cancer Georgia Commissioner of Labor Bruce Thompson passed away at 59, eight months after a pancreatic cancer diagnosis. Elected in 2022, he took office in 2023, having represented Bartow and Cherokee counties in the state Senate for nearly a decade. Thompson chaired several Senate committees, including Economic Development and Tourism. Gov. Brian Kemp praised him as a passionate leader, while Lt. Gov. Burt Jones highlighted his improvements in workforce outcomes during the pandemic. Despite his diagnosis in March 2024, Thompson continued his duties, emphasizing transparency and fiscal responsibility. A Montana farm native and U.S. Army National Guard veteran, he founded multiple businesses. He is survived by his wife, Becky, and two children.   COMMERCIAL: Ingles Markets 8   SIGN OFF –   Thanks again for hanging out with us on today's Cherokee Tribune Ledger Podcast. If you enjoy these shows, we encourage you to check out our other offerings, like the Cherokee Tribune Ledger Podcast, the Marietta Daily Journal, or the Community Podcast for Rockdale Newton and Morgan Counties. Read more about all our stories and get other great content at www.tribuneledgernews.com   Did you know over 50% of Americans listen to podcasts weekly? 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 What do you do when the house you've inherited comes with more than just old memories? For one family, their stepfather's ancestral home near a railroad became a stage for unexplained phenomena—spotlights on the windows, unplugged TVs turning on, and a photo of a little girl that refused to burn. The haunting culminated in flying objects and a shaman's chilling advice to tear the house down. If you have a real ghost story or supernatural event to report, please write into our show or call 1-855-853-4802! If you like the show, please help keep us on the air and support the show by becoming a Premium Subscriber. Subscribe here: http://www.ghostpodcast.com/?page_id=118 or at or at http://www.patreon.com/realghoststories

Not all discounted TVs are created equal. Here's how those too-good-to-be-true prices might leave you with a lackluster screen and how to shop smarter this season.

Todo mundo tem aquela série favorita que adora maratonar quando não sabe o que assistir. E no Fliperama de hoje, nós iremos falar sobre as séries que mais fizeram sucesso nas TVs e nas Streamings, além daquelas que foram uma completa decepção. Então aperte o play e confira esse novo episódio de Fliperama!

It's a Thanksgiving Day special on Call It What You Want! Charlie Davies and Tony Meola preview the MLS Conference Finals, with Orlando City hosting New York Red Bulls in the East, and LA Galaxy squaring off against the Seattle Sounders in the West. Seattle defender Jackson Ragen joins the show to discuss his team's postseason staying power, the challenge of facing LA's free-scoring attack, and his dream of donning the USMNT jersey. The guys also break down Christian Pulisic's latest Champions League heroics before diving into the mailbag to answer YOUR questions! How would MLS' top seeds fare in Europe's Top 5 leagues? What do Olof Mellberg and Javier Mascherano bring to their new roles in MLS? Call It What You Want is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow the Call It What You Want team on X: @JimmyConrad, @CharlieDavies9, @TMeola1 Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest in sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos for betting on soccer. For more soccer coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ You can also watch Call It What You Want on the CBS Sports Golazo Network for free on connected TVs and mobile devices through the CBS Sports app, Pluto TV, and on CBSSports.com as well as Paramount+. Watch UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, UEFA Europa Conference League, EFL, Serie A, Coppa Italia, CONCACAF Nations League, NWSL, Scottish Premiership, Brasileiro, Argentine Primera División, AFC Champion League by subscribing to Paramount+ Sign up to the Golazo newsletter, your ultimate guide to the Beautiful Game as our experts take you beyond the pitch and around the globe with news that matters. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this real world English lesson, you will learn English phrasal verbs, English idioms,, and other advanced English vocabulary that can really stump English learners when talking about the busiest shopping day in the United States, Black Friday.

This podcast episode dives deep into the transformative power of the Easy Glaze product from Palram Americas, which is designed to extend outdoor living spaces while allowing maximum light penetration. Hosts Eric G. and Mike Howser discuss the product's impressive features, including its durability, UV protection, and ease of installation, making it a game-changer for homeowners looking to enhance their patios, decks, and outdoor kitchens. The conversation highlights the growing trend of outdoor living and how the Easy Glaze system can be a cost-effective solution for creating three-season rooms. Listeners will learn about the installation process, maintenance tips, and the importance of using the right fasteners for optimal results. Additionally, Eric shares his personal experiences with the product, showcasing how it has changed the way he utilizes his outdoor space, emphasizing the blend of functionality and aesthetic appeal.Outdoor living can be significantly enhanced with thoughtful design and innovative materials, as discussed by Eric G. and Mike Howser from Palram America. The episode centers around the Easy Glaze panel, which offers a robust and aesthetically pleasing solution for covering patios, decks, and carports. Mike explains how this product is engineered to provide maximum light while still offering protection from the elements, making it ideal for those who want to enjoy their outdoor spaces throughout the year. The conversation highlights the product's ease of installation, making it accessible for DIY enthusiasts. Eric shares his own experience with the Easy Glaze, recounting how it transformed his outdoor area into a functional and inviting space.The dialogue shifts to the intricacies of designing outdoor spaces, where Eric offers practical advice on what to consider when planning a new outdoor project. This includes the importance of pre-wiring for electrical needs, such as lighting and fans, and ensuring proper drainage and ventilation to enhance comfort and usability. Eric also emphasizes the need for durable materials that can withstand harsh weather conditions, elevating the conversation to include tips on selecting the right products to create a lasting outdoor environment. Throughout the episode, listeners are encouraged to think outside the box when it comes to their outdoor living areas. Eric's insights and experiences provide a blueprint for creating beautiful, functional spaces that can be enjoyed year-round. With a blend of personal anecdotes and expert advice, this episode serves as a valuable resource for homeowners looking to maximize their outdoor enjoyment, showcasing the potential of innovative products like the Easy Glaze and the importance of thoughtful design.Takeaways: The Easy Glaze panels provide a clear, glass-like appearance while being incredibly durable and lightweight, making them ideal for outdoor living spaces. When installing the Easy Glaze, ensure to use the recommended fasteners and pre-drill holes to allow for expansion and contraction of the material. Proper planning for electrical and plumbing needs in outdoor kitchens can greatly enhance functionality and convenience in your outdoor living area. Consider airflow and ventilation when designing structures to avoid trapped heat and moisture beneath your patio cover. Building permits are essential for outdoor structures to ensure compliance with local regulations and avoid future complications. Using outdoor-rated appliances and fixtures, such as refrigerators and TVs, ensures they withstand the elements and operate effectively in outdoor environments. Links referenced in this episode:www.palramamericas.com

A Black Friday está entre nós, e você provavelmente está se perguntando no que vale a pena investir. É sempre uma boa época para ir atrás dos clássicos, como celulares, notebooks e TVs, mas há várias compras menos óbvias que podem melhorar muito sua experiência no dia a dia.No episódio de hoje, compartilhamos nossas dicas de Black Friday, e recomendamos produtos que você precisa colocar no seu radar, das luzes de LED para o monitor ao bom e velho Kindle de entrada. Dá o play e vem com a gente!ParticipantesThiago MobilonLucas BragaAna MarquesJosué de Oliveira Laura Canal  Conheça os robôs aspiradores da Kärcher A Black Week da Kärcher tá a todo vapor. Essa é a sua oportunidade de garantir um robô aspirador da empresa líder mundial em soluções de limpeza.Com o modelo RCV 5, você conta com inteligência artificial na sua faxina. A IA detecta obstáculos no caminho, como cabos, sapatos e peças de roupa, evitando que o aparelho fique preso ou cause acidentes. O RCV 5 também tem câmera com sensor duplo de laser e função auto boost, que detecta automaticamente  tapetes e carpetes.Entre em loja.karcher.com.br pra conferir todas as ofertas da Black Week da Kärcher. E não esquece do nosso cupom exclusivo para ouvintes: com o código TECNOCAST10, você garante 10% de desconto nas suas compras. E, se o pagamento for no Pix, toma aí mais 5%. Aproveita! Saia do automático com o RecargaPayTodo mundo tem objetivos financeiros, sejam grandes ou pequenos. Mas não importa o tamanho da meta: o RecargaPay te ajuda a chegar lá. O RecargaPay é o super app de pagamentos que convida os brasileiros a repensarem e simplificarem suas finanças. Além de reunir vários serviços financeiros em um só lugar, o RecargaPay oferece bônus diário de 110% do CDI e cartão de crédito com 1,5% de cashback em todas as compras.Baixe o app e se cadastre pra experimentar a comodidade e os benefícios do RecargaPay. A gente te dá um incentivo: usando o código tecnocast, você ganha R$ 20 pra fazer uma transação de Pix parcelado. O desconto é válido para pagamentos feitos com cartão de crédito, no valor mínimo de R$ 40.  Siga o passo a passo em recargapay.com.br/r/tecnocast e aproveite!Mande seu recadoGrupos da Caixa Postal do Tecnocast: Telegram: t.me/caixapostaltecnocast WhatsApp: tbnet.me/caixapostaltecnocast Você pode mandar comentários (inclusive em áudio, vai que você aparece no Tecnocast?), dúvidas, críticas e sugestões. Participe!Se preferir, você pode se comunicar conosco pela Comunidade e através do e-mail tecnocast@tecnoblog.net.Entre também nos Canais do TB no WhatsApp Canal do Tecnoblog Canal do Achados do TB CréditosProdução: Josué de OliveiraEdição e sonorização: Ariel LiborioArte da capa: Vitor Pádua

Sarah Giencke describes herself as halfway between being a Gen Y and a Gen Z. However she describes herself, she is a life-long Wisconsin person. She finally migrated to Madison Wisconsin around nine years ago.   After college she held a few sales jobs, but four years ago she decided to start her own business. Today she uses a somatic/embodiment tool called TRE®. Her work is dedicated to helping individuals & leaders reconnect back to their bodies, and to build a relationship with their nervous systems.   We have a fascinating and informative discussion about stress, trauma and the differences between them. I think that what Sarah will discuss with us is worth everyone hearing and exploring. She is the Founder of Riset Resiliency, a wellness consultancy on a mission to reduce suffering in the workplace by co-regulating nervous systems. What, you may ask, is “co-regulating”? Listen to our episode and discover for yourself.       About the Guest:   Sarah Giencke is a Nervous System and Resilience Coach, Certified in TRE® (Tension & Trauma Releasing Exercises). She is the Founder of Riset Resiliency, a wellness consultancy on a mission to reduce suffering in the workplace by co-regulating nervous systems. Her work is dedicated to helping individuals & leaders reconnect back to their bodies, and to build a relationship with their nervous system. She also helps people become trauma informed, and provides her clients with a somatic/embodiment tool called TRE®.  Through her work, Sarah educates her clients on the core concepts of the nervous system, empowering her clients with this essential knowledge. Sarah helps people reclaim power and balance over their nervous systems so that they can live less stressful and more peaceful lives - moving from being reactive towards being responsive. Having an intimate relationship to trauma, Sarah deeply understands the connection between the body's trauma response and adverse life effects - being easily triggered, hypervigilant, and experiencing physical pain. Sarah found TRE® over 4 years ago when she took a TRE® class at her gym; despite being hesitant about this strange "shaking" sensation, Sarah decided to continue down the TRE® path. It wasn't until she brought the practice into her own home, where her practice grew and where she felt the power of neurogenic tremoring.  Fast forward 4 years, Sarah is now a certified TRE® practitioner (from Red Beard Academy, in Madison, WI) who teaches others this incredible self-regulation tool. Sarah emphasises creating safety with her clients so they too can experience the power of tremoring. Sarah helps her clients gain self-agency & self-awareness - something that gets lost when we experience trauma. Clients have said that Sarah helped them create space in their lives, improving their daily lives and overall wellbeing. Outside of her work, Sarah loves to regulate her nervous system through meditation, being in nature, going for walks, journaling and playing tennis.   Ways to connect with Sarah:   Website: Risetresiliency.com Email: sarahg@risetresiliency.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahgiencke/       About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/   https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? 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Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Well, hi everyone, and welcome to another edition of unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected happen and meet and today, how about we get to do some unexpected kinds of things, our guest, our our conversational colleague this time is Sarah Gienke, and Sarah is, among other things that she will describe herself, is a nervous system and resilience coach, and she asked me, before we started the recording, if we could do a grounding session. I'm anxious to see what that's about. But I stole the show first by saying, I'd like to ask you, Sarah, first of all, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're really glad you're here.   Sarah Gienke ** 02:03 Thank you so much for having me, Michael,   Michael Hingson ** 02:06 and I'd like to ask if you'd just tell us a little bit about kind of the early Sarah, growing up, and whatever you want to tell us,   Sarah Gienke ** 02:12 sure. So I was born in Bay View, Milwaukee, and lived there for about five or six years, and then we moved to Muskego. Grew up there with my two older brothers, my mom and dad, we had a beautiful backyard with some woods and the pool. So it's very natural for me to be nature inclined. So I love all things being naturey. And of course, as you can imagine, potentially growing up with two brothers, kind of a little bit of a tomboy, so wasn't afraid.   Michael Hingson ** 02:45 And then, of course, washed out for sister. Yeah, exactly, exactly.   Sarah Gienke ** 02:51 And so yeah, wasn't afraid to pick up frogs or search for salamanders. And, you know, just enjoy nature before screens were invented. Geez. You know, I identify as a zillennial. So I'm a, I'm a late millennial, very early Gen Z, kind of in this, like overlap area of a couple years. And so I wasn't born with screens. You know, in my hand, we obviously had TVs and would watch VHS, and then we moved to CDs and learned how to write cursive and and also type at the same time. And I think that is a key component into my identity, because I grew up with technology, very comfortable with it, but also I feel like I'm straddling both sides, kind of that old world and the new New World, which I don't think we're going back so got a very unique perspective.   Michael Hingson ** 03:50 I hear that more people are learning cursive again than did for quite a while.   Sarah Gienke ** 04:00 I have heard that. And I've also heard quite the opposite, that some schools are completely eliminating it. Yeah, I've heard that too. Yeah, it's kind of a, it's kind of a wild, wild scene right now, when it comes, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 04:15 it is, I think that there's, there's value in learning how to read and write, and people should learn to do that. And I don't know whether it's totally equivalent. In some ways it is, but there's a big argument that for blind people, well, you don't need Braille anymore because you can read books by listening to them, and you you don't need Braille because there's so much available and audio and an unlimited vocabulary, text to speech on your computer. The only problem with all of that is, if you buy into that, you don't learn to read to spell, you don't learn good grammar and sentence structure. And I would think that to a degree, there is some truth to. Fact that cursive is different than just typing on a keyboard. You're learning a little bit more about your main way of communicating, which is with characters, whether they're printed or written or typed. It's value to have all of that. Oh, absolutely.   Sarah Gienke ** 05:15 I honestly have never heard anyone say that we don't need Braille. I would, I don't think I would ever say that. I think people learn different styles. So why would we eliminate that? You know, like that doesn't make sense, because,   Michael Hingson ** 05:29 unfortunately, a lot of the so called experts in the field say, Well, you got all these other means you don't need braille, and that's why Braille is only right now covering about 10% of all blind people, and it used to be over 50% literacy rate. It has dropped a significant amount. It may be coming back up a bit, but they're really mistaken, if they sell us short, and the value of learning Braille is the same as for the value of learning print and you being able to read, there are just things that you're not going to get from audio books or anything else that you will get from truly being able to read, which is what Braille permits.   Sarah Gienke ** 06:10 Yeah, and also, like the use of your imagination, right? When we read, especially non fiction, we're imagining this whole narrative and story going on in our brain. So I feel like that's a huge aspect that people would miss out on as well   Michael Hingson ** 06:24 they would, and you can get some of it from audio, but it isn't the same. You're still a little bit more limited, because you are somewhat drawn in by the reader, the narrator, as opposed to truly looking at it yourself. I spent a weekend very recently in Seattle with the radio enthusiasts of Puget Sound, which is an organization that that does a lot to preserve old time radio. And what we did was we created 18 radio shows, so I was one of the actors in some of the shows, and had a lot of really neat discussions about the concept of radio and what radio was in the 40s and 30s and 50s, until TV came along and really invaded people's imaginations, because now you really didn't get To imagine it. It's what the director and the casting people decided Matt Dillon should look like as a marshal, as opposed to what you heard when you heard William Conrad, who was the radio voice of Matt Dillon, and it was a totally different kind of image that came about. And that's true with a lot of radio versus television that you you don't get the same thing from television, because now it's what you see on the screen rather than what you imagine in your mind. So, yeah, it's interesting. That's super   Sarah Gienke ** 07:54 interesting. I did not know that you had a radio background. I That's fascinating. I mean, it makes sense. You've got such a great voice, so might as well use it   Michael Hingson ** 08:04 well. I did radio in college too, so it was a lot of fun to to do that, and didn't do a lot with it, other than using it to communicate when I did sales and other things like that after college. But it's a lot of fun and and you So you grew up chasing frogs and salamanders and all that, and did, where did you go to college? Or did you do that?   Sarah Gienke ** 08:25 Yeah, of course, I did. Well, I shouldn't say of course, because not everyone goes to college, but I did. And I actually went to UW Waukesha. So I went there, I got my associate's degree and all my gen Ed's done, partially because I wasn't ready to leave yet and be on my own, but also financially, I just didn't know going and it just made more sense. And very grateful for that experience, because it led me actually out to Madison, Wisconsin, which is where I am now. I've been out here for nine years or so, and I finished my bachelor's degree at Edgewood, Edgewood College, and that was a liberal arts degree, a liberal arts school of the Dominican branch. Not that that really matters, but it's, you know, a differentiator, I guess, for some. And I studied interpersonal, organizational communications, which really means being able to connect with people and build really great relationships when it comes to organizations   Michael Hingson ** 09:28 Cool, well, and what did you do with that? Then, when you, when you got out of college, well,   Sarah Gienke ** 09:34 I, let's see, I kind of got into the tech world. I just started going to a lot of different networking events and things, and found someone who was running a startup, and they were like, Hey, come join our team. And so I had a short stint at that organization, and then moved, and I was doing sales there, and then I moved to curate, which is another gov Tech. Company, and did sales for them for quite some time, and had another brief role at a L and D firm, kind of getting into the culture realm. And then when I was there, I really decided I wanted to pursue my certification for Tre. And I was like, You know what? I really like this, and I'm going to finish my certification and then launched my company. So here I am fully stepped into my own business and also doing some other side contracting work in the HR realm.   Michael Hingson ** 10:30 So and how do you like being an entrepreneur? Oh,   Sarah Gienke ** 10:33 gosh, you know, I feel like I've always been of entrepreneurial spirit. You know, the the term being an intra intrapreneur, and it's hard. It is not for everyone, and still, still kind of fitting into my britches, if you will, figuring out how do you maneuver being an entrepreneur. But I ultimately love it for the flexibility being able to represent myself and to pick and choose the kinds of things that I want to work on   Michael Hingson ** 11:05 well, and I think that's that's valuable and important, that you can really decide what exactly you want to do. The other thing about being an entrepreneur that I find fascinating, and I think it's one of the reasons a lot of people don't necessarily succeed at it as well as they could, is you've got to really be disciplined, especially when you're the one that is the captain of the ship. You've got to learn what a captain has to do, and you may find innovative ways to bury that, but there are still processes and procedures that you have to do as the entrepreneur in charge, if you will, and that that is something that not everyone is able to do. The whole discipline concept, yeah,   Sarah Gienke ** 11:51 for sure, it's something I'm still settling into and re redefining every day or every week, figuring out where to put my time and my energy, and how do I balance it all? And yeah, so it's definitely, definitely a change,   Michael Hingson ** 12:06 and that's okay. It's something that you'll always be doing, and it's good that you question it, and it's good that you look at it, and maybe every day, at the end of the day, kind of think, how did this go? How did that go? Was this as good as it could be? And so you will always, if you're doing it right, be looking at how you can improve the process. Or you decide this worked out really well, I'm going to stick with it and look for ways to improve it as we go forward, whatever it is, yes,   Sarah Gienke ** 12:33 exactly, exactly. And creating that path, seeing the need, and then creating something to fill that need that's there, I think is really exciting. And collaboration with others as well who are doing the work that's been something I've been recently exploring quite a bit.   Michael Hingson ** 12:51 Well, tell me a little bit more about what you do. And you said you wanted to do a grounding session, and we should do that, whatever that is all involved. So I'm going to leave that all up to you.   Sarah Gienke ** 13:00 Okay, well, um, you know, maybe we'll, we can. We'll put all   Michael Hingson ** 13:04 the responsibility on you.   Sarah Gienke ** 13:08 I'm used to it. Um, so actually, let's continue with the conversation, and sure you can close out with a grounding. I think that would be good. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 13:17 tell so tell me about tre you mentioned that, and I know it's a registered item, but tell me about Tre. What does tre stand for, and and what is it?   Sarah Gienke ** 13:30 Yeah, so tre stands for attention and trauma releasing exercises. It's essentially, very much akin to yoga. And what did? It consists of a series of intro exercises, which lightly stretch and then fatigue muscles so that we can then tap into this innate shaking modality. Its technical name is called neurogenic tremoring, which all mammals can do. If you have a dog at home, which my God, all if you do, I have a   Michael Hingson ** 14:01 guide dog who's over here, very comfy on his bed.   Sarah Gienke ** 14:05 There you go. Well, he must be very relaxed. He is. I assume you've probably seen him scared, right? Yeah. Like, what does he get scared at? Like, what are some of his triggers?   Michael Hingson ** 14:20 Well, he has a couple things. The most recent thing, he's not generally afraid of thunder and lightning and so on. But last week, we had one cloud storm cell come through that dumped a bunch of rain for about a half hour. But more important, there was an incredible amount of thunder and lightning, and I didn't really hear the thunder and lightning, so I opened the door. It was about 730 night to let him out, and he just backed up from the door and was panting very heavily and just would not go out. And I'm not going to force him, because I then heard all the thunder, and I went, Oh, I cannot. Understand that, but still that bothered him. Another thing that bothers him is we do have some smoke detectors in the house, and I'm don't know whether you have a smoke detector, but when the battery starts to run out, they chirp at you, and he doesn't and he doesn't like that either.   Sarah Gienke ** 15:14 Okay, okay, well, I don't know if at either of those stimulus or stimuli, if that makes him shake. But a lot of dogs do shake at lightning or thunder the Veiled person, and so that is the dog's natural way of discharging the stress from that trigger, right? But what has happened in humans is we have learned to suppress it. We've conditioned ourselves not to shake because we label it at it as weak or weird or vulnerable. You know, for example, when you see someone talking up on stage or even doing a podcast and they get nervous, what do we think about them? What do we label them?   Michael Hingson ** 16:00 Yeah, I hear you. We we say, well, what's wrong with you? Exactly?   Sarah Gienke ** 16:03 And so it's actually nothing that's wrong with them, no natural way of trying to rid themselves of the rush of the chemicals of adrenaline and cortisol that go through the body when we have that physiological reaction. And so what tre does is helps us come out of those states. It helps us get back to a state of safety and groundedness, which I hope to get into in a little bit perhaps now   Michael Hingson ** 16:33 we'll see. If you'd like to I will comment coincidentally, at the beginning of the pandemic, I realized, and it's been a while since we've chatted, but you may remember, I worked in the World Trade Center on September 11 and escaped with a previous guide dog who was afraid of thunder and lightning, but nothing bothered her on September 11, because it wasn't thunder and lightning, and in the building, when the plane hit 18 floors above us. It wasn't a very loud explosion, anyway. But the point of saying that is that I had spent a lot of time learning what to do in an emergency situation at the World Trade Center, and just learning all about the complex reason being, I ran an office for a company, and so it was important for me to know what to do in the case of an emergency or any any, any unexpected situation, because I might very well either be the only one in our office or there might be other people. But they rely on as sighted people looking at signs and so on, which may or may not even be available to you in an emergency situation. So it's important to really know what to do, rather than figuring, oh, I can just use the signs. And so I learned all of that, and what I discovered about me later, well, after September 11, is that, because I learned all of that, I had developed a mindset that says, You know what to do in an emergency. And so when there was one, I immediately had this mindset kick in, and other things started to happen where I observed what was going on around me. For example, someone in my office was yelling, we got to get out of here. The building's on fire. I could see fire and smoke, and there are millions of pieces of burning paper falling outside our window, and I could hear debris falling outside our window. So I believed him when he said there were burning pieces of paper falling outside the window. But I was also observing something else, namely, a dog sitting next to me, wagging her tail, yawning, going, who woke me up? I was sleeping real good here, and you guys are disturbing my rest. What's going on? And what that told me, because I was focused and had learned to focus, what that told me was, whatever's going on isn't such an immediate emergency that we can't try to evacuate in an orderly way. Didn't mean we shouldn't evacuate, but we could evacuate in an orderly way. Another way of saying, not to say, I'm not afraid, but rather to say, you can control fear. You can learn how to deal with the fear that you have and use it as a very powerful, supportive, positive tool, rather than, as I put it, blinding you or overwhelming you.   Sarah Gienke ** 19:32 Wow. What an example. I knew, of course, that you had been in the the Twin Towers when 911 happened. But yeah, you had not shared that tidbit with me before. That's that is an incredibly powerful story and skill to have, and thank goodness for your calm and collectiveness like amidst you know, one of the worst. First disasters our nation has ever faced, you made calm and you helped people get down the stairwell like that is, wow.   Michael Hingson ** 20:09 Well, and now we've written a book about it. And then the book is entitled, it'll be published in August. It's from Tyndale house, and the book is entitled, live like a guide dog. True Stories from a blind man and his dogs about being brave, overcoming adversity and moving forward in faith. And the idea is that I really learned a lot of those skills by observing and working with eight guide dogs and then also my wife's service dog when they were both alive. Fantasia. But the the idea is that dogs, for example, have a lot to teach us about teamwork, being brave and being supportive, and the very fact that we can be a lot more able to deal with fear if we are in a teaming environment and support and allow ourselves to be supported by teammates.   Sarah Gienke ** 21:03 Yeah, I love that. It's the that collective, collective mentality, instead of the individualistic one we sell off choose,   Michael Hingson ** 21:13 yeah, so same way. It's coming out in in August. It's available for pre order, and I'm looking forward to seeing how well it's received. I hope it's received well, and that lots of people will be interested in it, because I think we need to recognize that fear doesn't need to blind us, or fear doesn't need to overwhelm us. We can deal with it like with anything in our lives, if we choose to, but that's a matter of choice, and learning how to be able to make that choice work.   Sarah Gienke ** 21:47 Yeah, and well, you can count me in for a copy, because I definitely, I definitely want to read your book.   Michael Hingson ** 21:55 I'll email you, I'll email you the information about the pre ordering of it. Great.   Sarah Gienke ** 22:00 Thank you. And I'll, I'll probably end up making a LinkedIn post about this. So, oh, please. Well, I   Michael Hingson ** 22:05 hope so please,   Sarah Gienke ** 22:07 yes, of course. But what I think you're really talking about here, Michael, is resilience. You know, making that choice to not get overwhelmed, which can easily happen, and is totally okay if it happens, but the harm of it is when we are stuck in that heightened state for long periods of time, that's when we're going to experience some adverse effects or or when we experience it over and over and over and over again, what we call a theory our window of tolerance, that's going to keep getting shorter and shorter so you're going to get more triggered and triggered and not be able to move through that situation. So the work with tre is helping you increase that window of tolerance so that you can withstand more adversity without getting as triggered or triggered at all, and really remaining in control over your emotions,   Michael Hingson ** 23:09 which makes perfect sense, and it's kind of what we've been talking about. And the fact is, you can do that. What's the difference between stress and trauma? You make a distinction between the two, yeah, and talk about how they can both be stuck in our bodies and so on which, which is, of course, getting back again to what you're talking about with tre but yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.   Sarah Gienke ** 23:29 So I think of stress and trauma as kind of a continuum. On one side we have stress, and on the other side we have trauma, and as things increase in intensity, or over time, we're going to experience trauma. But to kind of give the listeners here a very concrete explanation, I actually, I actually Googled this, and this is what chat generative AI came up with, with which I thought was really interesting. Stress is a natural human response to the mental or physical tension caused by a difficult situation. It can be a one time occurrence or happen repeatedly over a period of time. Stress, though, this is the key differentiator, is that it can be positive or negative. It can motivate you to achieve those goals and get out of your bed and light a fire under your butt in the morning, or it can cause you to lose sleep. That what we would call the eustress, which is good stress, versus distress, which is bad stress. And we really want to teeter right in the middle there, where we're not dipping too far into one way or the other, because if we don't have enough stress, we're going to just kind of lay around and not do much. But if we have too much, we're going to go completely overwhelmed and most likely shut down on on the other side of the spectrum. So trauma is defined as a distressing or disturbing event that increases our lack of personal. Control. So, like we were talking about before losing control over emotions, it can and most, most definitely leaves an impression on us, kind of like if you were to put your hand into some Play Doh and then take your hand back, that impression is still there. And so it can be, really any experience that overwhelms one's normal coping mechanisms, and it leaves the person feeling helpless. And one key differentiator for me is when someone is talking and they talk about their life as like a pre or a post, that's a huge different. That's a huge key indicator that they've experienced some trauma, which obviously, with you going through 911 that's a huge trauma that you've experienced. And I don't know if you want to get into that on this call, but I would personally be curious to learn, like, what was that experience like, and what did you do to heal yourself?   Michael Hingson ** 25:59 What's really funny about your question is my answer. Ironically. You know, we always hear about the media and how obnoxious they could be and all that, but soon after September 11, the media heard about my story, and I started getting phone calls and asked to be interviewed and so on, and I talked with my wife about it, and she was probably a little bit more skeptical than I, but I'm the guy who was professionally selling in the family, so I thought I could deal with it. We agreed that if it would help people move on from September 11 at the time, if it would help people learn more about blindness and guide dogs, and if it would help people maybe understand that they could deal with these kinds of things, and I would allow the interviews to happen. The other part about that was that it also then led to people beginning to call me and asking me to come and talk about September 11, and not only that, but to talk about other topics that I have expertise in, and I still do that today. So I'm always looking for speaking opportunities. So anybody out there who is listening, who needs a speaker, love to chat with you. But for me, like with anyone, I think when you have something happen to you, or you're facing some situation, there's always value in talking about it. And for me, getting so many interviews, literally hundreds, with the most intelligent questions to the most asinine, inane questions that you can imagine, and having to answer all of them without getting upset, that was probably the thing that helped me the most, because I allowed myself, and I put myself in a position to talk about it,   Sarah Gienke ** 27:50 yeah, like externally, externally processing it, yeah. That makes total sense.   Michael Hingson ** 27:55 Yeah. Because I think anyone who is in a in any kind of a situation, or even if you're looking for a solution to a problem, there's a lot of value in collaboration and not taking the position well, only I can solve this, nobody else can. You don't know that. But more important collaboration, teamwork, trust or just talking it out never hurts.   Sarah Gienke ** 28:25 Yeah, that's so true, and that's what I mentioned earlier, is collaborating with others, right? Seeing it in perspective, I I kind of want to, like, bring your question and something that you just said now together. So okay, you were asked earlier, like, how does trauma get or stress get stuck and stored in our body? Well, when we don't process it, it stays within us. So we have something called the stress response cycle, where, if you think of a circle at the top, we're calm, or what we call homeostasis, maybe you're in like the state, the formal state called ventral vagal, which is ease and calm, and you're experiencing joy. And then if you move to, you know, one side of the circle, you're going to encounter the trigger, or that external stimulus that's got you kind of little bit riled up. And then you continue along the circle to the bottom, where then you're going to experience one of the the stress or trauma responses. We've got fight, flight, freeze or fun. And then if you continue to close the loop, we would move back to calm, you know, letting the body settle down. But as I had alluded to earlier, lots of us get stuck in that response state. So I'd be curious, did you feel any like physical ailments or anything kind of develop as a result of your experience in 911 or with 911   Michael Hingson ** 29:53 No, actually, I did not. The only thing that happened to me, really was walking down. And basically mathematically, we calculated roughly 1400 63 stairs at least going down the next day. I was as stiff as a board, and was really stiff for a week. So I was glad that we had built an accessible home for my wife, because she was always using a wheelchair. She was born with scar tissue on her spinal cord. So she was paralyzed from like right below the breasts on down so she could drive and so on. But she used a chair, and so we put an elevator in the home, because it had to be where we were building. Had to be a two story home. I used that elevator for a week, a lot more than she did. So because I couldn't go up, I couldn't walk upstairs or downstairs, and my office was in our basement. My home office was in our basement. So that that was a, I think it was that the adrenaline wore off, and the next day, as I said, I was stiff. And was stiff for about a week. She said, you walk like an old man. So,   Sarah Gienke ** 30:57 geez, I could only imagine. I mean, yes, obviously, like the physical exercise of going down that many stairs like, you know, after a gym session, gym session, even, you know, we're a little little tight or or sore the next day or two, but, but what I'm almost, I'm speculating here is that could have have happened to you, or, you know, many others, is when you experience that we tense up like our entire body, and so that is actually what inhibits us from being able to tremor, to release it. So, you know, there's like this unthawing process that happens with clients and people that explore this modality so that we can actually get to the place where we experience the tremoring. That's why we stretch and do these light exercises, so you can tap into it. Otherwise, we're just going to tighten up and forget about it. Well, the   Michael Hingson ** 31:54 other thing is, and people have asked me, Did you feel survivor's guilt or anything like that, a remorse? And the answer is, I have to say no. And the reason I didn't was because I realized pretty early on that, like with the media starting to be interested, and people started to call and saying, Would you come and speak? And then we made the decision for me that speaking was a whole lot more fun, and selling life and philosophy was a whole lot more rewarding than selling computer hardware. And so I chose to do that starting at the beginning of 2002 although I did a speech or two before even then. But the bottom line is that I realized that there's something that I should do with my life because of what happened. And I think it's important that in anything that we do, in any situation that we face, the reality is that we may not have had control over that situation happening. And I'm not convinced today that we could have predicted September 11, I'm not sure that there was enough data ever produced that would have allowed us to figure it out. I don't know, but that's my thought. But we always have control over how we deal with what happens to us, and that's the issue,   Sarah Gienke ** 33:16 yeah, well, I gotta say I think you're one heck of a resilient guy. I mean, I don't know, I haven't interacted with a lot of 911 survivors, but I will say, and I will bet, that a lot of them probably are not as resilient as you, as you are, and maybe it is due to your blindness and having having to be resilient already that you were just, you know, more capable to handle that experience. I don't know, but, yeah, it's sure an inspiration. That's for sure. Well, I   Michael Hingson ** 33:52 hope that that it helps people. And one of the reasons that we wrote live like a guide dog that'll be coming out is hopefully even during this election year, people will read it and take a step back and think about what's going on and not let those who want to promote fear blind us to making more intelligent decisions, whatever that happens to be. We don't take enough time at the end of the day, or at the beginning of the day to analyze our own lives, and I'll take at the end of the day. We don't take enough time to just even while we're lying down getting ready to fall asleep, going How did it go today? What worked? What didn't work? Why did I react this way to this or that, could I have done it differently? And self analysis is something that can help lead to learning a lot more about controlling the fear reactions of the other things that we face and how we deal with them.   Sarah Gienke ** 34:58 Yeah, absolutely. Self awareness. Progress. And through self awareness, we explore things to help us self regulate meaning, regulating over our emotions and how we're reacting to things, and then ultimately getting to a place of self agency, you know, having that discipline and and regaining that back, which often gets lost when we experience hardships. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 35:25 what can people do to relieve stress? What are the kinds of things that the body needs? Really? I think we've talked about that a little bit, but yeah,   Sarah Gienke ** 35:32 there are so many different ways to relieve stress for your body, or AKA, self regulate your nervous system. Some of my favorite things to do, even since being a little girl, is being in nature. I just feel so connected to the earth when I step outside. And whether that's going for a stroll locally here or going up north and being surrounded in the in the woods, people can dance. Dancing is a huge way to release stress from the body and also have a creative outlet to express what you might be experiencing. Others might rely on adjacent techniques to tre such as like tapping or the EFT Emotional Freedom Technique where people tap in different areas to release. I am excited to explore that more myself. I haven't quite yet.   Michael Hingson ** 36:29 We did a podcast on that a few weeks ago. Oh,   Sarah Gienke ** 36:32 well, then perfect. I'll have to give a lesson. And so, yeah, like I said, there's a there's so many different ways to regulate yourself and to kind of continue on that list, breath work, also singing. I think people don't know this, but singing or humming is an excellent way to stimulate what we call the vagus nerve. So that's a bundle of nerves in our nervous system that really controls a lot of things. And so when we hum or we sing, that vibration touches on that bundle of nerves and brings us down into states of groundedness, connection, etc. So I don't know if you've ever been in choir, but I'm also a huge, huge choir fan or choir nerd, and so I always wondered, how did I get through school? School is extremely stressful, whether it's high school or college, and I was singing. I was singing for like, almost two hours every day, and so I think that was a huge way for me to come back down and to also feel connected to others. So yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 37:35 yeah. Well, I like, I like to sing, and I've always enjoyed karaoke, no less. But by the same token, just singing for myself, whether anyone else is around or not, it is a good way, and we do need to do things to take our minds off of the things that we think are stressful, which may or may not really be stressful at all. I think it was Mark Twain who said, or one of the people who said, The problem with most of the things that we're afraid of is they're never going to come through and come true anyway. Yeah,   Sarah Gienke ** 38:08 well, that sounds like that's a nervous system that's heightened, that's in hypervigilant state, looking for all the possible outcomes and mostly negative things, if we're being transparent of how things could turn out, which is just such an icky way to live, and I know exactly what that's like.   Michael Hingson ** 38:28 Well, one of the lessons that we talk about and live like a guide dog comes from Roselle, who was the guide dog who was with me in the World Trade Center, and after September 11, like a day or two later, I called the veterinarian department at guide dogs, and I said, is any of this? Because they, by that time, had learned that I was in the complex we let them know. But I asked, How will all this affect Rozelle? And the response was, did anything threaten or hurt her specifically, like did a brick come at her and hit her or anything like that? And I said, No, absolutely not. They said, well, then nothing. When we got home that night, I took her harness off and I was going to take her outside, but she would have none of it. She went to her toy box, got her favorite tug bone, and started playing tug of war with our retired guy dog, Lenny, and the two of them just played for a while. Roselle didn't even need to go outside. But the point was, it was over for her, and what the veterinarian said was, it's over. Dogs don't do what if? When something like that happens, they may react if something directly affects them, but it still is, they don't do, what if it's a particular situation. But in rose L's case, there was nothing. So dogs don't do what if, and we spend so much time, what if, in. That it drives us crazy.   Sarah Gienke ** 40:03 It really does. I feel called out here, but it's true, and I think that's that's really has to do with their prefrontal cortex. So like the front of their of their brain, humans have different prefrontal cortexes we've evolved to have it be much more complex. And so yeah, dogs kind of, they're just in the present moment. They're like, alright, yeah, like you said, it's over, and now I'm here playing with my with my bestie, yeah, yeah, you   Michael Hingson ** 40:38 you sound like though you've experienced some of these things that have been, what if creators and so on. Oh,   Sarah Gienke ** 40:44 totally. I mean, I think that's part of the human experience. And through, through nervous system regulation and through techniques like meditation and mindfulness, we can really rewire our brains and our bodies to not live in that fear state, to live in a live and work from a place of groundedness, centeredness, openness, curiosity, and I think ultimately, when you're in that type of energy, you're attracting, you're attracting things to You, instead of being more negative and being fearful and like pushing things away, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 41:24 what kinds of things would you suggest to recommend to help regulate our nervous system and deal with some of these issues that we are talking about?   Sarah Gienke ** 41:34 Yeah, so as I had mentioned before, you know, getting out in nature and walking, um, exercise can be good for for that meditation, breath work, tapping and then, you know, obviously, I'm a huge advocate for Tre. I think tre gets to the root of things quite quickly, and it has a tremendous impact, not just from your first time on, but compounding. Just like any kind of self care ritual that we would do, when we do it over time and continuously, we're going to see exponential growth, especially if we layer it with other things. So if you're going to therapy or things like that, and you're layering it with tre or breath work or tapping, I think that there's a magic combination for all of us that we have to kind of explore and discover the different things that work for our bodies. Because I tell you, I say to people, you know, tremoring, everyone can tremor but tremoring is not for everyone. And what I mean by that is not everyone's ready to do this deeper work, you have to be ready to meet yourself at those deeper levels. So if you're just kind of getting on that healing journey or self regulation nervous system journey, I'd say start with something a little lighter, like try, try mindfulness techniques or meditation, something like that. Dip your big toe in. Don't you jump right into the bath right away.   Michael Hingson ** 43:03 Yeah, there's no need to do that. But you know, what do you say to the person who says, Oh, I don't have time to do any of that. I'm too busy. I've got too much stuff to do. I've got to get these projects done, and so on and so on and so on. Yeah,   Sarah Gienke ** 43:19 gosh, I get it, because I even struggle with that, with my own self sometimes, you know, we're human. We've got a lot on our plates, and I think it's a couple things. One, it's knowing that in order to go fast, we kind of need to slow down. It's just like when we were in college and you pulled an all, all nighter to study for your exam, and then you show up to the exam and you're exhausted and you don't remember anything, versus, you know, at midnight or whenever you went to bed, just closing the book and saying, You know what, I did the best that I could, and I'm going to go to sleep, and you're going to wake up much more refreshed. And so that same kind of concept applies to this work, is knowing that we need to slow down so that we can show up and be fully our best selves, for ourselves, for our partner partners, for our our kids, our employees, our workplace. So it's, it's that, and then also on the flip side is, if you just keep going and going, you're gonna, you're gonna hit a wall at some point and potentially reach burnout. So the analogy that I like to give that's very common in this world is that our nervous systems are like a car, and so what we're trying to do is find the optimal speed for ourselves, for our bodies. So what kind of pace Are we moving at internally? And so our sympathetic nervous system, which is one side, is the gas pedal. And if we're on that gas pedal, you know, pedal to the metal all the way, we're going to run out of gas. That car is going to start to run. Down, and eventually you're going to be on the side of the road asking for help. So basically, it's really about prevent, preventing that and and bringing in some of the other side, which is the parasympathetic nervous system, which is the rest and digest. That's the the brake pedal. We don't want to be fully on break, because then we'll just be going nowhere. But we want to, we want to find that optimal range where it feels really good.   Michael Hingson ** 45:28 And the reality is, each of us have our own gifts, and the gifts that you have are not necessarily the gifts that I have, which are not necessarily the same as someone else has, and no one should be criticized for the gifts that they have or don't have.   Sarah Gienke ** 45:48 Absolutely, absolutely,   Michael Hingson ** 45:52 yeah, and it happens too often.   Sarah Gienke ** 45:54 It does, and also knowing that no one's perfect and that if that's a skill you want to work on, great, you've acknowledged that, and now you can take a step forward to work on the skill that you want to work on. In this example, it's regulating your nervous system.   Michael Hingson ** 46:16 What is CO regulation? And why is that an important concept?   Sarah Gienke ** 46:19 Oh, that's a great question. So when we are babies and we fall down and we scrape our knee, and our parents pick us up and they coddle us, and they soothe us from crying and screaming out in pain, they are co regulating with us. They are helping us calm down, get back to that centered state Petrova once again. And so we keep doing that over and over and over again. And through that, we learn to be able to self regulate on our own. And that's the work that that I do with clients, is helping them through co regulation with me learn how to get to self regulation. Because, unfortunately, even though that's how we're supposed to learn self regulation through our parents, a lot of us have not learned that, and that's, I think, just partially a generational thing. I think there's a whole change and shift, as I was mentioning earlier with Gen Z prior to pressing record, that is really taking accountability for how we're showing up and how we're interacting and so a huge part of that is that self regulation. So both are essential to create safety, especially in groups, in communities, in workplaces. You know, for example, our, you know, our nervous systems are, always, are, always are tuning to one another, like when a boss comes into a meeting and they're all fostered and uptight and just huffing and puffing. You can feel that that is tangible energy, and they are not in a regulated state. And so when our nervous systems can kind of talk to one another and one's remaining, remaining grounded, not also getting heightened, then we can calm, we can help calm each other down. So it's kind of like this concept of taking care of one another in a community context.   Michael Hingson ** 48:22 You know, one of the things I hear a lot, and I think I've said it myself, is that today, we seem to have so many more people who have no boundaries, and they just think they they own the road or whatever the case happens to be. I don't know whether that is really true, but it seems like it is all too often today, more the case that things that we would never have thought of doing and would never do years ago, people do all the time. Now. Do you think that's really true, that people have less boundaries, or they haven't learned how to regulate or look at different points of view. Is that a gender or not gender, but a generation issue or anything like that?   49:10 Well, that's   Michael Hingson ** 49:11 is that a very open question? Yeah,   Sarah Gienke ** 49:13 yeah. It's a very nuanced question, because, like anytime we talk about a population of people, we don't want to just generalize because one fits into that box. You know, there may be some overlapping or overarching, I should say, characteristics or similarities that you find, but, yeah, we want to be careful when we're talking about groups in general. So I I would actually say that people are getting more boundaries. I think that there's some generations before us that necessarily didn't have boundaries. It was self impression too, that was taught. You know, boundaries were more porous. But. Younger generation as much as they want to, as much as they are seen, sometimes as challenging or X, Y and Z. I think they're really resetting, not to plug the name of my business, but they're resetting the threshold in which how we show up in the world, what our boundaries are, regulating our emotions, being able to then have an important conversation with people, um, instead of just avoiding or brushing it under the rug. So that's kind of my take on it. What do you what do you see? That's   Michael Hingson ** 50:34 my impression, too, and that's what I've actually heard from from people that younger people maybe have really started to realize and are catching on to having boundaries, having values, being a little bit more methodical about what they do and that they're and that older people and people will classify me as that arena, since I'm 74 probably had boundaries. But there's that middle ground, or that middle set of people that that didn't really and haven't really dealt with boundaries, maybe as appropriately as they should, and how that will affect things other than the younger generation is catching on and seeing it and doesn't like it, but, but I agree with   Sarah Gienke ** 51:24 you, yeah, and I think we could substitute the word boundaries and for trauma, because ultimately, what it really comes down to is that self inner work, because what's happened prior is Just passing on trauma through behaviors, but also genetically. And so it finally has come to a point in the time where we're like, No, we're not going to continue these behaviors. We're not going to continue to pass this on. We're going to face it and we're going to process it through the work that I do with clients or and other other modalities that I mentioned, so that we can then ultimately move forward coming from our authentic selves, instead of coming from a trauma response, such as being a people pleaser or being angry all the time, because that's not really who we are. That's coming from a place of that fright, of having to protect ourselves, and like I can only imagine a world where we are all regulated and showing up as our authentic selves. I can't even imagine, like, what greatness would come from it, collaboration and invention and, yeah, just all those awesome things that we're constantly trying to strive for.   Michael Hingson ** 52:39 And someday, maybe we'll get there,   Sarah Gienke ** 52:42 maybe. And that's okay that we're not there yet, because my mission is to help reduce that suffering one person at a time by helping co regulate with them. So Well,   Michael Hingson ** 52:55 tell us more about your business reset and what it is, and how you do, what you do, and so on.   Sarah Gienke ** 53:02 Yeah, so reset, resiliency, wellness, consultancy, and what I do is I help people reconnect back to their bodies, back to their nervous systems, teaching them about their nervous system, giving them very essential information that I think we should be learning in schools, but we are not. And also really providing them with trauma, informed knowledge and a somatic embodiment tool that we mentioned before called Tre. So really that's what I do, is I teach people, I educate them, and then provide them with something which I guide them through over several weeks, and then I kind of set them free, because my goal is not to work with people forever, which is kind of contrary to a lot of business ideas. However, because of my my history and my path and my story, I know the importance of, kind of like going through that graduation piece, of getting that self agency back so that you don't have to rely on anybody to do this work. You have this tool in your toolbox for the rest of your life, and it's quite transformative to say to say it in a small way. So   Michael Hingson ** 54:14 where do your clients come from?   Sarah Gienke ** 54:18 My clients come from referrals, a lot of word of mouth, and they come from me, messaging people on LinkedIn and posting on social media, and working on having I'm working on having a better SEO as well, but I getting website visits and, um, also just really providing people information and showing them the importance of this work, and then being attracted to me,   Michael Hingson ** 54:53 you do a lot of the work virtually.   Sarah Gienke ** 54:56 Yes, I do virtual work, and I also do in person work as well. So. I currently teach in person classes at home yoga in Madison, and I do my in person sessions there as well. And then, yeah, anyone that's not in that vicinity, we meet virtually,   Michael Hingson ** 55:16 that's cool. So that if people want to reach out to you, they certainly can do that. And I would assume that you can interact with people virtually, that you don't need to necessarily have them right there on the spot with you.   Sarah Gienke ** 55:30 Yes, you certainly can do this work virtually. I've worked with handfuls of clients virtually. I also like in person as well. But it really just boils down to location and where you're at. And either way, we're going to have a great program together and get you this tool and teach you this tool   Michael Hingson ** 55:53 so you've been doing this business. So first of all, reset is spelled, how, R, i,   Sarah Gienke ** 55:59 s, e, t, so just check I actually thought of it when I was meditating one day. I was thinking about the words rise and set, and then they kind of just overlapped. And I was like, wow, that is clever e to the i and b, rise and set. And so that is a nod to polyvagal theory, which is really the theory that all my work is based off of, which is how our nervous system we get triggered, the sympathetic comes on, we rise up and then helping people settle back down. So that's why the the logo is in kind of an arch, or kind of like a curve. It's also mimicking that what   Michael Hingson ** 56:41 kind of people typically would come to you? Maybe another way to put that is what who are? Who is Tre, really, for   Sarah Gienke ** 56:52 my teacher of Tre, always joke tre for anyone who's stressed tends to traumatized. Oh, there we   Michael Hingson ** 56:59 go. That's a few people on the planet. Yeah, right,   Sarah Gienke ** 57:02 but I will say who I tend to work with is, I do work with men, but I tend to work with more women than men, but it's really those people who are in transition in their lives. So I've, for example, worked with a woman who was in a sales job, she just wanted to absolutely, you know, just not do that. It wasn't, it wasn't fulfilling her. And so she was in a huge transition, and she ended up through our work, it helped. It helped her create time and space, and allowed her to then launch her own business and go after her own dreams. I've also worked with a another male who was working at a coffee shop, and he decided, You know what, I think I want to be the next owner. And so he was going through some huge transition there, and while we were working together, you know, decided to move forward with the sale. And now he's full owner of that coffee shop, stepping into his dream. So I think it's kind of tapping onto that, tapping into that authenticity and not being scared and letting our hindrances hold us back, but rather feeling coming from a place of calm and ease and authenticity and moving through that   Michael Hingson ** 58:23 and really thinking about it and recognizing that sometimes it's okay to step out and take a chance, but do it wisely. Don't just do it arbitrarily.   Sarah Gienke ** 58:33 Yeah, definitely, you definitely want to have some thought put into it. And, yeah, that's that can take some time. But I do ultimately think that it's worth a chance. Um, it's worth a opportunity. You have one life, and you might as well step out and try. I'd rather say, Oh, well, that didn't work then. Well, I don't know if that ever would have worked. That's the kind of camp that I'm pet. I'm in so   Michael Hingson ** 59:01 well you don't know until you try or study on it. Yeah, exactly.   Sarah Gienke ** 59:07 And then I also just wanted to mention too that I will be coming out with some courses soon as well. And so those aren't really aimed for leaders and organizations to become more trauma informed, and so you don't have to have experienced trauma to go through this. I think that this is work. This is literally what I think is the future of our workplaces, pretty much leadership, 2.0 if you will, and helping leaders understand and have more self awareness of themselves and how they come across and how they might have some conditioning around their past experiences and how they show up, but also understanding for their employees and what might be coming up from them or or how we're interpreting things. You know, for example, someone showing up late, well like. Get curious around that instead of just jumping into conclusions.   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:04 Yeah, all too many people probably don't take enough time to necessarily understand the people around them, especially those that they lead, and really get to know them and recognize them for who they are and what they can do. But that doesn't work unless you really take the time to to learn about them   Sarah Gienke ** 1:00:26 exactly. It's all about really relationships. So a lot of trauma is relational. It's on that one to one context. So understanding those dynamics and understanding all the pieces that come into play is going to make you such a better leader. Um,   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:48 yeah, yeah, by by any definition. Well, if people want to reach out to you and and maybe explore working with you and you helping them, or just understand more about what you do, how do they do that? Yeah, yeah, they can or learn about your new courses coming out soon. Yeah, I'm huge   Sarah Gienke ** 1:01:05 on LinkedIn, so you can follow me there. I post a lot of content. My name is Sarah ginky, G, i, e, n, C, K, E, you can also email me at Sarah at reset, resiliency.com, so after the at sign it's R, i, s, e, t, R, E, S, I, L, i, e, n, C, y.com, or you can click on my website, reset, resiliency.com, book an intro. Call with me. I'd love to learn more about what's going on in your life and see if this modality can can help you.   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:39 Well, I hope people will reach out, and I hope that people who listen and watch learned a lot today. I did, and so did I. I value that a lot. I value getting the chance to learn different things from people. So I want to thank you for for being here and for doing this, and certainly any of you out there, we'd love to hear from you and get your thoughts on what we did today, please feel free to email me. It's Michael M, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, I, B, e.com, or go to our podcast page, which is w, w, w, dot Michael hinkson.com/podcast, and Michael Hinkson is spelled M, I C, H, A, E, L, H, I N, G, S O n.com/podcast, so please, love to get your thoughts. Really would appreciate you reviewing our podcast, especially we love five star reviews, so please do that, and we want to hear from you, and I know that Sarah would like to hear from you as well. So we hope that that will all happen, and Sarah for you and anyone listening, if you know of anyone else who ought to be a guest on unstoppable mindset, love to hear from you, and anyone who you think ought to come on, please just email and introduction, and we will always respond to that. I believe everyone in the world has stories to tell, as Sarah has proven today, right?   Sarah Gienke ** 1:03:10 Thank you, and just so grateful to be on this podcast with you, Michael, you have such an incredible story and such an inspiration. So thank you. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 1:03:22 thank you for being here, and we'll have to do it again sometime. All right, sounds   1:03:26 like a plan.   Michael Hingson ** 1:03:33 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. I hope that you'll join us again next week, and in future weeks for upcoming episodes. To subscribe to our podcast and to learn about upcoming episodes, please visit www dot Michael hingson.com slash podcast. Michael Hingson is spelled m i c h a e l h i n g s o n. While you're on the site., please use the form there to recommend people who we ought to interview in upcoming editions of the show. And also, we ask you and urge you to invite your friends to join us in the future. 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In this week's “First $1K” segment, we hear from a digital artist who licensed their artwork to cruise lines for use on TVs and digital displays. Discover how this unique niche led to earning the artist her first $1,000. Side Hustle School features a new episode EVERY DAY, featuring detailed case studies of people who earn extra money without quitting their job. This year, the show includes free guided lessons and listener Q&A several days each week. Show notes: SideHustleSchool.com Email: team@sidehustleschool.com Be on the show: SideHustleSchool.com/questions Connect on Instagram: @193countries Visit Chris's main site: ChrisGuillebeau.com Read A Year of Mental Health: yearofmentalhealth.substack.com If you're enjoying the show, please pass it along! It's free and has been published every single day since January 1, 2017. We're also very grateful for your five-star ratings—it shows that people are listening and looking forward to new episodes.

Charlie Davies and Tony Meola analyze a big weekend of action on both sides of the pond. Marco Messina joins to discuss the snoozefest between AC Milan and Juventus, Yunus Musah's recent performances out wide, the Rossoneri's identity crisis, and why Weston McKennie was played up front instead of Tim Weah (05:18). Ricardo Pepi sits atop the Eredivisie golden boot standings, but has the USMNT striker done enough to displace PSV captain Luuk De Jong (30:45)? Gio Reyna returned to action in Dortmund's win over Freiburg (46:55). Then, New York Red Bulls “late bloomer” Daniel Edelman joins to talk about Saturday's MLS playoffs win over Hudson River Derby rivals NYCFC, his hopes for the January camp, preparing for Orlando City and much more (51:55)! Call It What You Want is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow the Call It What You Want team on X: @JimmyConrad, @CharlieDavies9, @TMeola1 Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest in sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos for betting on soccer. For more soccer coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ You can also watch Call It What You Want on the CBS Sports Golazo Network for free on connected TVs and mobile devices through the CBS Sports app, Pluto TV, and on CBSSports.com as well as Paramount+. Watch UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, UEFA Europa Conference League, EFL, Serie A, Coppa Italia, CONCACAF Nations League, NWSL, Scottish Premiership, Brasileiro, Argentine Primera División, AFC Champion League by subscribing to Paramount+ Sign up to the Golazo newsletter, your ultimate guide to the Beautiful Game as our experts take you beyond the pitch and around the globe with news that matters. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Home Theater News 10.28.24 links and notes: On this week's edition of HTNR sponsored by TexasHiFi.com, we've got a lineup of stories to get you through the holidays, including a seismic event in the audio world involving Bose. Andover Audio is simplifying vinyl with its new SpinBase 2 turntable speaker system. RSL Speakers has some big news for our Australian listeners. Grimani Systems drops an LFE hammer with its new subwoofer. We have TV news from both Hisense and Apple. Max is rolling out a new way to shop while you watch. And the Kaleidescape crew brings home an industry award. All of that and much more on our pre-Thanksgiving podcast appetizer! *Episode Sponsor: Texas Hi-Fi* This episode of HTNR is brought to you by Texas HiFi, an exciting new online destination for all  of your home theater and HiFi needs, launching in early 2025. To celebrate its debut, the folks at Texas HiFi are kicking off a December sale you won't want to miss—get 50% off Dirac Live Room Correction and Bass Control licenses. These are available for select Denon and Marantz AVRs, as well as for Mac and PC users running home theater or media center setups. That's a crazy good deal that delivers significant savings to you. Visit TexasHiFi.com to learn more about this limited-time offer, and stay tuned for their grand launch! Look for them to feature top brands like JVC, Sony, Emotiva, MartinLogan and so many more, along with advantages like price matching and free shipping. Visit texashifi.com.  *Link to Andover Audio's SpinBase 2 Speaker* SpinBase 2: https://amzn.to/4fIaDCk *DISC DEALS on AMAZON*  -Harry Pottery 8 Film Collection (4K): https://amzn.to/4eO2D1o -Spiderman: Across the Spiderverse (4K): https://amzn.to/4eLcyEM -Dune “Two Film Collection” (4K): https://amzn.to/3Z49ZYH -Dark Knight Trilogy (4K): https://amzn.to/4eKqnn0 *Gear Deal of the Week* Klipsch The Three II Speaker: https://www.klipsch.com/products/the-three-ii *Forum Links* -For the latest disc reviews, go to: https://www.avnirvana.com/forums/blu-ray-media-reviews.12/ -For the latest news, including stories covered in this episode: https://www.avnirvana.com/forums/av-industry-news.6/ -To see the Top 20 Disc Releases of 2023, go to: https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/holiday-gift-guide-top-20-movie-discs-of-the-year.12847/ *PODCAST LINKS* -Subscribe to the podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2XZc1WVL7gGazxGLiURw0E Subscribe to the podcast on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/av-nirvanas-home-theater-news-review-htnr/id1715862636 Please Note: AV Nirvana may make a small commission from affiliate links... thanks for your support! Join our home theater community at AVNirvana.com. Build relationships with other Home Theater Enthusiasts and talk shop about speakers, processors, projectors, TVs, and more. We look forward to having you join our community!

Legislation to remove bike lanes from major streets will also prevent people from suing if a cyclist is injured or killed after the removal; as the Canada Post strike enters its second week, some workers are growing concerned if back-to-work legislation is on the horizon; and, Black Friday is a week away, but consumers are already seeing deals for extra-large TVs with screens going up to 100 inches.

Charlie Davies and Tony Meola unpack the bracket for the Concacaf Nations League Finals and look ahead to the USMNT's semifinal clash with Panama (07:10). A debate on how Mauricio Pochettino should deploy Sergino Dest when he returns from injury (17:18). Do Dest, Gio Reyna, Tyler Adams and Folarin Balogun walk back into the lineup (28:55)? Wilfried Nancy was voted MLS Coach of the Year, but he wasn't everybody's pick (36:25). Who should take the reins of Inter Miami if Tata Martino steps down (42:49)? Quickfire MLS Conference semifinal and USL Championship Final predictions. AC Milan vs. Juventus preview (56:34). And with rumors circulating about Liverpool, Manchester United and West Ham interest in Christian Pulisic, should the Rossoneri star entertain the possibility of a Premier League return (1:00:53)?  Call It What You Want is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow the Call It What You Want team on X: @JimmyConrad, @CharlieDavies9, @TMeola1 Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest in sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos for betting on soccer. For more soccer coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ You can also watch Call It What You Want on the CBS Sports Golazo Network for free on connected TVs and mobile devices through the CBS Sports app, Pluto TV, and on CBSSports.com as well as Paramount+. Watch UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, UEFA Europa Conference League, EFL, Serie A, Coppa Italia, CONCACAF Nations League, NWSL, Scottish Premiership, Brasileiro, Argentine Primera División, AFC Champion League by subscribing to Paramount+ Sign up to the Golazo newsletter, your ultimate guide to the Beautiful Game as our experts take you beyond the pitch and around the globe with news that matters. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's all-local podcast, the trio of Devon, Norris and Jer talk about some new restaurants in Detroit. They start by discussing Lady of the House, which just opened again in the Core City neighborhood. Devon went there and says the food is still good, but wonders if they should try new dishes since Detroit has so many different restaurants now. They also talk about how Core City is becoming a cool place where lots of young people like to hang out. Then they talk about a new restaurant called Javier's on Brush Street. It serves food that mixes Southwest and Mexican styles. Next, they discuss Parlay Gaming, which has fancy sports bar vibes, in the old location of Beer Exchange on Washington Boulevard. Devon went and talks about the tons of food choices and many TVs to watch sports. They're also planning to add special rooms for cigars and a secret-style hangout spot. The friends talk about how important it is to make places where everyone feels welcome in Detroit. At the end, we have an important conversation about how people from different backgrounds feel when they go to restaurants in Detroit. What goes into a welcoming spot? We ask listeners to tell them about places where everyone feels comfortable and welcome. Daily Detroit shares what to know and where to go in Detroit every day. You can listen to their podcast and read their newsletter. Find us on Apple Podcasts: [**https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/daily-detroit/id1220563942**](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/daily-detroit/id1220563942) Or sign up for our newsletter: https://www.dailydetroit.com/newsletter/

Welcome to Episode 95 of the Award Travel 101 podcast! I'm Angie Sparks, joined by Mike Zaccheo. This week, we're switching things up by saving the highlight post for later, as it ties into our feature on holiday shopping and earning strategies.News highlights: Alaska is temporarily blocking partner award bookings within 72 hours of departure, but it's expected to last only a few days. Wyndham's Earner Business Card has lost its ability to match to Caesars Diamond, signaling a decline in status equivalency options. Meanwhile, elevated offers on United credit cards (70k on Quest, 90k on Club) are good for frequent flyers seeking perks like free checked bags and priority boarding. Other deals include a $750 offer on the Capital One Spark Cash card and a 40% discount on Spirit Airlines points.Highlight Feature - Holiday Earning and Savings: Black Friday is a hot topic, and member Rebecca asked about strategies for earning and burning points during the season. From airline sales to shopping portal deals, there are plenty of opportunities, especially for flexible travelers. Whether you're buying TVs during the Super Bowl or flowers for Valentine's Day, timing purchases around seasonal sales can maximize your rewards. And don't forget: flexibility in travel plans greatly improves your chances of snagging those saver tickets!Where to Find Us The Free 110k+ member Award Travel 101 Community. To book time with our team, check out Award Travel 1-on-1. You can also email us at 101@award.travel Our next meetup will be May 16-18, 2025 in Chicago! Tickets are SOLD OUT but visit the Chicago 2025 Meetup page to secure a spot on the waitlist. Our partner CardPointers helps us get the most from our cards. We love being able to automatically add all of our offers and quickly seeing the best card to use for every purchase. Signup today at https://cardpointers.com/at101 for a 30% discount on annual and lifetime subscriptions! Lastly, we appreciate your support of the AT101 Podcast/Community when you signup for your next card!

Subscribe, Rate, & Review on YouTube • Spotify • Apple Podcasts✨ Support & Participate• Become a patron on Substack (my preference) or Patreon (15% off annual memberships until 12/21 with the code 15OFF12)• Make a tax-deductible donation to Humans On The Loop• Original paintings available as thank-you gifts for large donors• Hire me as an hourly consultant or advisor on retainer• Buy the books we discuss from Bookshop.org• Join the Future Fossils Facebook group• Join the Holistic Technology & Wise Innovation and Future Fossils Discord servers• Buy the show's music on Bandcamp — intro “Olympus Mons” from the Martian Arts EP and outro “Sonnet A” from the Double-Edged Sword EP, coda “You Don't Have To Move → 8:33” from The Age of Reunion✨ About This EpisodeIn this penultimate episode of Future Fossils before we transform into Humans On The Loop, I bring two of my favorite guests and comrades in the so-called “Weirdosphere” back for their first-ever conversation together — and it's a real banger! Probably the most inspired and provocative conversation I've ever had on the nature of time and human creativity.Joining me for this trialogue are Eric Wargo, author of From Nowhere: Artists, Writers, and the Precognitive Imagination (previously on FF episodes 117 and 171), and J.F. Martel, author of Reclaiming Art in The Age of Artifice and co-host (with Phil Ford) of Weird Studies podcast (previously on FF episodes 18, 71, 126, and 214). Our discussion centers on the concept of precognition — the ability to perceive future events — as the mechanism of all human creative activity. Both Eric and J.F. argue that art, like shamanistic practices, acts as a means of accessing and expressing precognitive experiences, often manifesting as seemingly coincidental events or uncanny correspondences between art and reality. We talk about the role of trauma and dissociation in stimulating creative breakthroughs — why there seems to be a direct biological and psychological link between suffering, displacement, and the discovery of radical new insights and modes of being. Can we create without destroying, or are rupture and connection one thing?We also examine how emerging media through the ages have shaped our experience of time. Starting with the earliest Paleolithic artifacts and the role of cave art in facilitating or encoding ecstatic experience, we trace the evolution of art through to how the development “the cut” in modern cinema led to new ideas of causality. Each new medium provides novel ways of thinking about leaps across space and time, and their study offers new points of entry into a unifying philosophy of rupture and discontinuity.Lastly, we explore some of my own most potent and disquieting precognitive experiences in light of Eric's argument that the UFO phenomenon may actually be the braided precognitive experiences of future human beings and symbiotic artificial intelligences — a thesis that sheds new light on everything from the lives and work of Philip K. Dick, Jacques Vallée, Carl Jung, Andrei Tarkovsky, to The Book of Ezekiel.Where we're going, we won't need roads…Speaking of art, UFOs, psychedelic experience, and time machines, here's the standalone music video for the song we discuss in this episode that was inspired by my UFO (or were they time machine) experiences in 2007. I threw it back in as a coda to the episode but in case you want to view it in its original resolution and in the context of the entire album, here you go. The “8:33” section starts around 3:58:✨ ChaptersChapter 1: Introduction (0:00:00)Chapter 2: Precognitive Imagination in the Arts (0:08:57)Chapter 3: The Personal is Precognitive (0:13:34)Chapter 4: The Cut and the Leap (0:22:15)Chapter 5: The Brain as a Fast-Forwarder (0:30:38)Chapter 6: Campfires, TVs, and Flickering Consciousness (0:38:57)Chapter 7: The Trauma of Truth (0:48:04)Chapter 8: Prophecy and The Trash Stratum (0:54:33)Chapter 9: UFOs as Time Machines, The Disappointment of Destiny (1:14:39)Chapter 10: Closing and News on Upcoming Releases (1:20:28)✨ Other MentionsAn inexhaustive list of people, places, and key works mentioned in this episode.* Morgan Robertson: Author of a novel that is believed to have predicted the sinking of the Titanic.* Hunter S. Thompson: Author and journalist.* William Shakespeare: Playwright who wrote Macbeth.* Comte de Lautréamont: A French poet who talked about "the cut" in his work.* Jean Epstein: Author of the book on the philosophy of cinema, The Intelligence of a Machine.* Carl Jung: Psychoanalyst who developed the concept of synchronicity.* Sergei Eisenstein: Filmmaker, and film theorist.* Gilles Deleuze: Philosopher who argued that “difference is more fundamental than identity.”* Cy Twombly: Artist whose work is discussed by Eric Wargo.* Andrei Tarkovsky: Filmmaker who wrote a diary entry quoted in From Nowhere.* Philip K. Dick: Science fiction author whose experiences with precognition and synchronicity are discussed in From Nowhere.* Jacques Vallée: Scientist and ufologist, author of a book about the UFO phenomena called Passport to Magonia.* Diana Pasulka: Academic who studies the UFO phenomenon.* Johnjoe McFadden: Scientist who works on quantum biology.* Henri Bergson: Philosopher known for his work on time and consciousness, is quoted as saying “the universe is a machine for the making of gods.”* Octavia E. Butler: Science fiction author.* Harlan Ellison: Science fiction author.* James Cameron: Filmmaker who directed The Terminator.* Max Simon Ehrlich: Screenwriter who wrote the Star Trek episode The Apple.* Megan Phipps: Guest on the Future Fossils podcast (episode 214).* Michelangelo: Guest on the Future Fossils podcast who discussed Paisley Ontology and precognition with Michael Garfield.* Björk: Musician, whose song "Modern Things" is mentioned.* Greg Bishop: UFO historian.* Terence McKenna: Ethnobotanist and writer who coined the term "immanentize the eschaton.".* Phil Ford: Co-host of the Weird Studies podcast.* Richard Wagner: Composer who was arrested in 1837.* Zozobra: a hundred-year-old effigy burn in Santa Fe, NM.* Esalen Institute: the center of the Human Potential movement, in Big Sur, CA.* The Fort-Da Game: A game observed by Sigmund Freud in which a child throws a toy away and then retrieves it, demonstrating an understanding of object permanence.* The Third Man Factor: A phenomenon experienced by explorers and mountain climbers in extreme survival situations, involving the feeling of a presence accompanying them. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michaelgarfield.substack.com/subscribe

INPUT (prompt), var1, var2! This week we read Apple computer inventor/Kathy Griffin's ex-boyfriend's memoir "iWoz: Computer Geek to Cult Icon: How I Invented the Personal Computer, Co-Founded Apple, and Had Fun Doing It." We create a code in order to discuss the evolution of Mac, insane tension between Woz and Steve Jobs, early Silicon Valley, scam-ass printers, how we used to fix our own TVs, Freemasons, and ask the ultimate question: does technology really help us or has it gone too far?Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/cbcthepodSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.