Podcasts about active shooter events

Make plans now to attend a CRASE — Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events — training Tuesday, Feb. 20, at the Floresville Civic Center, located at 600 S.H. 97 West in Floresville. Hosted by Wilson County District Attorney Audrey Gossett Louis and Harry Jimenez, of HJ Security Solutions, the training will take place from 6-8 p.m. No reservations are required. During the two-hour presentation, participants will learn how to prepare for and respond to an active shooter event, including steps they can take to assist responding law enforcement, and more. The event is free to the public.Article Link

Make plans now to attend a CRASE — Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events — training Tuesday, Feb. 20, at the Floresville Civic Center, located at 600 S.H. 97 West in Floresville. Hosted by Wilson County District Attorney Audrey Gossett Louis and Harry Jimenez, of HJ Security Solutions, the training will take place from 6-8 p.m. No reservations are required. During the two-hour presentation, participants will learn how to prepare for and respond to an active shooter event, including steps they can take to assist responding law enforcement, and more. The event is free to the public.Article Link

CTL Script/ Top Stories of September 19th Publish Date: Sept 19th   Henssler :15 From the Ingles Studio Welcome to the Award Winning Cherokee Tribune Ledger Podcast    Today is Tuesday, September 19thh, and happy heavenly birthday to HOF Center Fielder Duke Snider ***Duke Snider*** I'm Keith Ippolito and here are the stories Cherokee is talking about, presented by Credit Union of Georgia Woodstock Police lt. promoted to captain Driver killed in Cherokee County crash Free Home Elementary teacher wins top state award for PE program   Plus, Bruce Jenkins catches up with Leah McGrath from Ingles Markets to discuss cottage chese.   We'll have all this and more coming up on the Cherokee Tribune-Ledger Podcast, and if you're looking for Community news, we encourage you to listen and subscribe!    Commercial:  CU of GA - ELON   STORY 1: Woodstock Police lt. promoted to captain   Lt. Sinfelt of the Woodstock Police Department has been promoted to the rank of captain. Sinfelt has served the department for 13 years, holding various positions such as patrol officer, training officer, shift sergeant, training director, and section commander. In addition to his police duties, Sinfelt teaches CRASE (Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events) courses at local religious establishments and businesses, as well as gun safety courses at the William G. Long Senior Center. His promotion marks a significant milestone in his career with the department...……Read more on this story at tribuneledgernews.com   STORY 2: Driver killed in Cherokee County crash   A fatal single-vehicle crash occurred on Soap Creek Road in northern Cherokee County. The incident took place around 7:30 a.m., involving a Dodge pickup that struck a utility pole and came to rest on a guard rail. The sole occupant, an adult male driver, was pronounced dead at the scene. The Cherokee Sheriff's Office is investigating the crash, and speed is believed to have been a contributing factor. The driver's identity has not been disclosed.   STORY 3: Free Home Elementary Teacher   Keith Furstenberg, a teacher and coach at Free Home Elementary School, has received the Award of Excellence in Physical Education from the Georgia Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation, and Dance. This annual award recognizes the most outstanding physical education program in Georgia public schools, based on activities conducted in the previous school year. Furstenberg's dedication to his students, colleagues, and profession, along with his innovative teaching methods and grant-winning programs, have earned him this honor. He will be celebrated at the association's annual convention and recognized by the Cherokee County school board. Furstenberg has over 25 years of experience in teaching physical education, art, and special education.   We have opportunities for sponsors to get great engagement on these shows. 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This annual event offers shopping, dining, and various activities for attendees. The festival, hosted by the Service League of Cherokee County, serves as its largest fundraiser, with proceeds going toward helping local families and children in need through various forms of assistance. The event features over 150 arts and crafts vendors, concessionaires, local entertainers, and a children's area with games, inflatables, a petting zoo, and more. Riverfest provides a fun and family-friendly environment while supporting a charitable cause.   Commercial: Powers – Ingle 8 – Heller Law Story 7: LEAH And now here is Bruce Jenkins with Leah McGrath from Ingles Markets to discuss Cottage Cheese.   We'll have closing comments after this   Chamber - Henssler 60 – Cumming Fair – Cherokee Chamber   Thanks again for listening to today's Cherokee Tribune Ledger podcast. . 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Welcome to 'Surviving Violent Encounters in the Workplace,' where we dive deep into the nuances of personal and collective safety in professional settings. This episode features guest Randy Ashmore from Training Concepts, bringing with him a legacy of training that spans over half a century. A retired USCG Chief, Randy's family has been at the forefront of training fire, police, military, and various industries since 1967. Together, we explore the transformational impact of proper training on bystander responses and delve into actionable strategies to empower individuals during moments of crisis, whether caused by firearms or other means. Listen in as we demystify the world of safety training and offer insights on preparing for the unpredictable.

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This episode of state of the nonprofits discusses sensitive issues that may be a trigger for some of our listeners. Our conversation focuses on emergency preparedness particularly for active shooter events. Please listen with caution.   How can nonprofits best prepare for emergencies like active shooter events? Eric Harrell of the Midland Fire Department joins MSS in the studio to share some guidance on preparing for the worst. Learn about training such as Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events and Stop the Bleed and discover resources to ensure your agency is prepared.   To schedule a training or threat assessment, contact Eric Harrell at eharrell@midlandtexas.gov.   "State of the Nonprofits" is a program of MSS produced in partnership with the Recording Library of West Texas. 

Robert Carlson has over 20 years in Law Enforcement, serving since 2013 as an instructor for the Memphis Police Department.  He has over 27 years in the military and is currently the lead tactical medical Instructor for the Regional Counter Drug Training Academy, providing free training to law enforcement around the country.  As a Police Officer, Robert has served as a Crisis Intervention Team specialist and is a trained crisis negotiator.  He is recognized as an expert in Active Shooters and Tactical Medicine, regularly speaking on law enforcement response to Active Shooter Events.  Robert is the founding president of Brave Defender Community Services, a non-profit focused on active shooter prevention and education; and owner of Brave Defender Training Group, providing training to police and military.On this episode of De-Escalation Conversations, Robert talks about the importance of treating individuals with respect and maintaining control in high-stress situations. We touch on experiences that they and others have had in law enforcement and discuss tactics we've learned to empower individuals in crisis. Robert Carlson is a renowned expert in law enforcement, active shooter prevention, and tactical medicine. The episode covers the importance of recognizing triggers in stressful situations, self-reflection, and understanding that ultimately, only one can control oneself. IDEA - the International De-Escalation Association, is dedicated to Saving Lives, Reputations, & Relationships through Conflict De-Escalation & Communication Training for Teachers, Parents, and Public Safety Providers.Find more about How to Calm an Angry Person in 90 Seconds or Less Come visit us at the IDEA website (International De-Escalation Association): https://TheIdea.WorldSubscribe to our free weekly newsletter to stay up to date on the latest news and blogs about Schools, Police, Fire, Medical Services and Flight Attendants.Do you or your organization need Communication Skills and De-Escalation Training? You can reach us directly at: Team@TheIdea.World or by filling out a contact form at https://www.TheIdea.World/contact

Cole Britt returns to go into more detail on CRASE (Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events) and to discuss his new venture, Red Cell Survival. Red Cell Survival is committed to communities across America to equip civilians and law enforcement with training that could save lives.www.redcellsurvival.comwww.porch-talk.netSubscribe, rate, and review the show! Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/porch-talk/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Many people will claim that there is never a “Good Guy With A Gun” to save the day in an Active Shooter Situation. While simply untrue, there is a point to be made here: 94% of Active Shooter Events take place in so-called “Gun Free Zones”. This means that law abiding citizens are rarely able to carry near the incident. We'll look at several cases today where the citizens had to go to their car to get their gun. We took a dive into the 2000-2018 FBI stats on “Active Shooter” cases and we found at least 47 cases that were stopped in part or in whole by citizens, some with guns, and some without. Some of these are off-duty law enforcement, but these people certainly qualify as “Good Guys With Guns” and they were not there because of a 911 call. Again, most people will not carry a firearm in a gun free zone, but off-duty LEOs may feel more free to do so than most because of their ID, training, and position. Many were un-armed and were injured or certainly risked it all to wrestle the attacker down with their bare hands. Some didn't make it, but saved countless others. Let me ask you a question: Which is more evil: The gunman, or disarming the people who now provide the gunman easy targets? We could philosophize on the merits of a good guy or we could just tell you there stories: Story 1: In the early morning of April 23, 2001 before any children had been picked up for school in San Jose, California, CP went to the Bus Barn where she had worked for the better part of a decade, and began murdering her co-workers. She successfully killed a driver-trainer and wounded three other ladies, before Gregory Allan Lee, another driver, caught her attention and ultimately restrained CP until the police could arrive, saving an untold number of lives. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-apr-24-mn-54869-story.html Story 2: Near lunch time on July 28th, 2003, a disgruntled employee, RB, of the Kanawha School Board attempted to set his supervisor ablaze with a bucket of gasoline 10 minutes into the school board's meeting. After his match failed to light, RB resorted to his rifle, but was restrained by onlookers before he could inflict fatal wounds. These onlookers had to restrain RB without the aid of a firearm as they were at a School Board Meeting. One lady suffered gunshot trauma to the gut. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-board-meeting-attacked/ Story 3: After a long and hard night of seething jealousy, a jilted man, AC, arrived at his estranged wife's place of work the morning of July 28th 2003 with a handgun. He killed the owner of Gold-Leaf Nursery and one of his wife's co-workers after he had ended his wife's life. AC had a hard time figuring out which man was his wife's lover, and never had the chance to do so. Before AC could reload, two employees jumped AC and subdued him. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2003-09-24-0309230677-story.html Story 4: After suffering from alleged bullying by Seth Bartell at their school, JM brought a .22 caliber pistol to Rocori High School and fired on Seth twice, one of these missing and striking another boy, Aaron Rollins. After escaping momentarily, Bartell was shot in the forehead by JM, who went on as if to continue the shooting spree. Mark Johnson, a PE Teacher, confronted JM who raised his gun to shoot Johnson. Johnson literally raised his hands and said “No”, and JM surrendered. https://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mclaughlin-jason.htm Story 5: At roughly 10:30 AM JR walked into Columbia High School with a rage and pain he wanted to spread carrying a 12 gauge shotgun and the ammo to do it. Thankfully, JR only got two shots off, only managing to wound one of his teachers in the leg before an Assistant Principal could tackle JR and subdue him.Police and SWAT arrived several minutes later. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/10/nyregion/student-opens-fire-at-a-high-school-near-albany-hitting-a-teacher.html Story 6: February 13th, 2005, a quiet Sunday morning at the Hudson Valley Mall was interrupted by a black clad 24 year old RB. Despite shooting a 20 year old Army Recruiter in the knee and a 56 year old man in the hand, RB managed to miss everyone else and was eventually tackled by employees. https://www.recordonline.com/story/news/2005/02/14/gunman-goes-on-rampage-at/51136353007/ Story 7: On the afternoon of November 8, 2005 KB was called into the administrator's office of Campbell County Comprehensive High School for yet another weapon infraction. This time however, it was a .22 caliber that KB had brought to school. Upon being confronted, KB shot and killed an assistant principal and shot two other faculty. He was restrained by students and teachers until police took him away. He was later released from prison only to be in and out of prison with some charges including domestic abuse and allegedly killing his girlfriend's toddler. He is at large as of 2019 due to multiple miscarriages of justice. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9970713 https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2019/01/28/campbell-county-school-shooting-kenneth-bartley-trial/2666499002/ Story 8: Before the bell rang at 9:00 AM at Pine Middle School, Jencie Fagan heard a student yell at JN and JN fire 3 rounds into two 14 year old girls who survived. Fagan had the courage to confront JN and demand that he put the gun down and wait for authorities. JN heeded Fagan's prompting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Middle_School_shooting Story 9: Angered by the disciplinary actions meted out by Principal Klang at Weston Highschool, EH walked into school at 8:00 AM on September 29th, 2006 and aimed a shotgun at the Social Studies teacher. A janitorial staff member jumped EH and wrestled the shotgun out of EH's hands. Upon seeing the staff member struggling with the student, Principle Klang attempted to help the struggling janitor restrain EH. EH, however also had a .22 caliber pistol with which he shot Principle Klang multiple times. Although Klang and other staff were able to restrain EH, Klang died several hours later from the wounds to his head, torso, and leg. https://nthfmemorial.org/swept-the-gun-away-john-alfred-klang/ https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15060698 Story 10: On July 27, 2008 at The Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, a shooter opened fire on the congregation killing 2 wounding 7, before the congregants could tackle the shooter DA. According to the manifesto DA wrote, he intended to shoot congregants until he was shot by police. God had other plans. 10 Stories of Good Guys with a Gun Story 11: On March 5, 2001, at 9:20 a.m., Off-Duty San Diego PD Officer Bob Clarke was enrolling his teenage daughter in her new High School Santana High. Upon hearing the commotion, Clarke ran into the highschool where he found and apprehended CW, the active shooter who had murdered two of his fellow students and injured 13 more. Clarke was joined by three other officers on his way into the building, but once again, this is a matter of good guys on scene with guns who were not part of the 911 response. This was also on a school property. https://www.upi.com/Archives/2001/03/05/Cops-kept-Santana-shooter-cornered/7880983768400/ https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132072&page=1 Story 12: In the afternoon of January 16th, 2002 PO, a 43 year old male, entered the Appalachian School of Law in Gundy, Virginia. PO had just been suspended for poor academic performance so he had come back to shoot Dean L Sutin, the one he blamed for his pain. Faculty member Thomas F. Blackwell was also present and therefore was also shot fatally. Former school employee and now student Angela Denis Dales, 33 was the last fatal victim. While three other students were shot, no one else died that day due to the quick action of other Criminal Law students, two of whom had been already serving in law enforcement. One of the three, Michael Gross, ran out of the building during the firing to dawn his bullet proof vest and his service pistol before coming back to subdue PO. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/17/us/3-slain-at-law-school-student-is-held.html Story 13: On September 23rd, 2017 Caleb Engle gets a divinely appointed chastisement for backsliding concerning church attendance, so on the 24th Caleb Engle attended services at Burnette Chapel in Nashville. ES was attending the chapel that day to “kill at least 10 white people” in revenge for the “Charleston Shooting”. Upon confronting ES, Caleb Engle suffered several injuries, including a dislocated shoulder, broken nose, and a gash to his forehead, ES suffers a gunshot wound from ES's weapon. Caleb Engles then retrieves a firearm from his father's, James Engles, truck. The men then wait for EMS and Police. https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2017/09/25/how-nashville-church-shooting-burnette-chapel-church-christ-unfolded-timeline/700049001/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnette_Chapel_shooting Story 14:On May 25, 2008 a nice night at the “Player's Bar and Grill” was interrupted by EV who had some sort of gang related beef with the Torres Brothers. A concealed carrier from Reno shot EV after EV had murdered Jose and Margarito Torres as well as having injured two other patrons. Just another night at the bar, right? https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/three-dead-in-shooting-at-winnemucca-bar/ Story 15: On November 17, 2017 before quitting time at Schlenker Automotive, a mentally deranged man, RB, walks in and without notice kills one of the employees, motorcylce and hunting enthusiast Rodger Smith, and paralyzes, David Cordero with a shot damaging his spine. Don Smith and Nathan Taylor, co-workers of Cordero and Smith, were legal concealed carriers and put two bullets into RB, who they held, alive, for police. RB had never been at that shot and knew none of the employees or customers involved. https://www.wesh.com/article/suspected-shooter-incompetent-to-stand-trial-in-rockledge/28500235# https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2017/12/01/black-friday-schlenker-shooting-what-we-know/911335001/ Story 16: One peaceful evening at Louie's Lakeside Eatery was interrupted for Juan Carlos Nazario and Bryan Wilttle who had to retrieve their firearms from the trunks of their cars to defend themselves from AT. AT entered the eatery from the front door wearing eye and ear protection and no other noted motivation. Nazario and Wittle fired on AT, killing him, saving an unknown amount of lives, but forever leaving AT's motivations a mystery. Only 4 people were injured, one of which was a broken arm from finding cover. https://okcfox.com/news/local/oklahoma-city-police-identify-suspected-louies-restaurant-shooter Story 17: On Evening in a Kroger in Kentucky, GB carried out a racially motivated shooting of a black man and a black woman. Both died. The carnage ended when two legally armed citizens engaged GB and GB fled the scene, only to later be captured by police. GB had a history of Domestic Violence and Mental Health History. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/kroger-shooter-sentenced-life-prison-hate-crime-murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Jeffersontown_shooting Story 18: Late on April 19, 2015 John Hendricks, an Uber Driver lawfully carrying, saw EC firing into a crowd of people. Our driver put 6 rounds into EC and prevented any further loss of human life. EC lived until 2019 where more of his antics apparently earned him several more holes, albeit fatal this time. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-murder-victim-shot-by-ccl-holder-20190325-story.html https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/uber-driver-with-concealed-carry-permit-shoots-gunman-in-logan-square/ Story 19: In a more recent story a Good Gal with a gun was at a graduation party about to turn lethal on May 25th, 2022 and the results were perfect. After 10PM DB produced an AR-15 and opened fire, but our “Good Gal” drew on DB and neutralized the threat who was DOA when the police arrived. We could find no motive published as of writing this. https://www.cbs17.com/news/national-news/good-gal-with-a-gun-woman-with-pistol-saves-lives-by-killing-gunman-at-graduation-party-police-say/ Story 20: At 11:30 AM on November 5, 2017, Steven Willeford had been taking a nap. He had a rough week ahead of him and had skipped church that day. However his daughter woke him up asking him if he had heard gun fire. Willeford grabbed his AR-15 and ran out the door without his shoes when his daughter spotted a man across the way in black tactical gear outside of the Baptist Church. Almost like a western, Willeford called out the shooter, who had murdered 26 people and wounded 22 others from the street. At this moment the shooter turned and left the building. Willeford confronted and shot the shooter, who then fled in a car only to later commit suicide rather than bleed out or be taken. https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/stephen-willeford-sutherland-springs-mass-murder/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-willeford-sutherland-springs-nra-convention-today-2018-05-04/ Verses on self defense: 1. Exodus 22:2-3 “If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder. But if it happens in daylight, the one who killed the thief is guilty of murder.” 2. Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own mansion, his property is safe.” 3. Isaiah 49:25 “Who can snatch the plunder of war from the hands of a warrior? Who can demand that a tyrant let his captives go?” 4. Luke 22:35-37 “Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler's bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler's bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one! For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels. Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true.” 5. Luke 22:38-39 “Look, Lord,” they replied, “we have two swords among us.” “That's enough,” he said. Then, accompanied by the disciples, Jesus left the upstairs room and went as usual to the Mount of Olives.” 6. Matthew 5:38-39 “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” 7. Romans 12:17 “Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.” 8. 1 Peter 3:9 “Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.” 9. Proverbs 24:29 “Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.” 10. Psalm 144:1 “Praise the Lord, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.” 11. Psalm 18:34 “He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.” 6. Psalm 82:4 “Rescue weak and needy people. Help them escape the power of wicked people.” 17. Proverbs 24:11 “Rescue captives condemned to death, and spare those staggering toward their slaughter.” 18. 1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” 19. Romans 13:1-7 “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God's appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment (for rulers cause no fear for good conduct but for bad). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation, for it is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be in fear, for it does not bear the sword in vain. It is God's servant to administer retribution on the wrongdoer. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath of the authorities but also because of your conscience. For this reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants devoted to governing. Pay everyone what is owed: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.” 20. Nehemiah 4:16-18 “From that day forward, half of my men were doing the work and half of them were taking up spears, shields, bows, and body armor. Now the officers were behind all the people of Judah who were rebuilding the wall. Those who were carrying loads did so by keeping one hand on the work and the other on their weapon. The builders to a man had their swords strapped to their sides while they were building. But the trumpeter remained with me.” Trust in the Lord and not your weapon. 21. Psalm 44:5-7 “Only by your power can we push back our enemies; only in your name can we trample our foes. I do not trust in my bow; I do not count on my sword to save me. You are the one who gives us victory over our enemies; you disgrace those who hate us.” 22. 1 Samuel 17:47 “And everyone assembled here will know that the LORD rescues his people, but not with sword and spear. This is the LORD's battle, and he will give you to us!”

Many people will claim that there is never a “Good Guy With A Gun” to save the day in an Active Shooter Situation. While simply untrue, there is a point to be made here: 94% of Active Shooter Events take place in so-called “Gun Free Zones”. This means that law abiding citizens are rarely able to carry near the incident. We'll look at several cases today where the citizens had to go to their car to get their gun. We took a dive into the 2000-2018 FBI stats on “Active Shooter” cases and we found at least 47 cases that were stopped in part or in whole by citizens, some with guns, and some without. Some of these are off-duty law enforcement, but these people certainly qualify as “Good Guys With Guns” and they were not there because of a 911 call. Again, most people will not carry a firearm in a gun free zone, but off-duty LEOs may feel more free to do so than most because of their ID, training, and position. Many were un-armed and were injured or certainly risked it all to wrestle the attacker down with their bare hands. Some didn't make it, but saved countless others. Let me ask you a question: Which is more evil: The gunman, or disarming the people who now provide the gunman easy targets? We could philosophize on the merits of a good guy or we could just tell you there stories: Story 1: In the early morning of April 23, 2001 before any children had been picked up for school in San Jose, California, CP went to the Bus Barn where she had worked for the better part of a decade, and began murdering her co-workers. She successfully killed a driver-trainer and wounded three other ladies, before Gregory Allan Lee, another driver, caught her attention and ultimately restrained CP until the police could arrive, saving an untold number of lives. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-apr-24-mn-54869-story.html Story 2: Near lunch time on July 28th, 2003, a disgruntled employee, RB, of the Kanawha School Board attempted to set his supervisor ablaze with a bucket of gasoline 10 minutes into the school board's meeting. After his match failed to light, RB resorted to his rifle, but was restrained by onlookers before he could inflict fatal wounds. These onlookers had to restrain RB without the aid of a firearm as they were at a School Board Meeting. One lady suffered gunshot trauma to the gut. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-board-meeting-attacked/ Story 3: After a long and hard night of seething jealousy, a jilted man, AC, arrived at his estranged wife's place of work the morning of July 28th 2003 with a handgun. He killed the owner of Gold-Leaf Nursery and one of his wife's co-workers after he had ended his wife's life. AC had a hard time figuring out which man was his wife's lover, and never had the chance to do so. Before AC could reload, two employees jumped AC and subdued him. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2003-09-24-0309230677-story.html Story 4: After suffering from alleged bullying by Seth Bartell at their school, JM brought a .22 caliber pistol to Rocori High School and fired on Seth twice, one of these missing and striking another boy, Aaron Rollins. After escaping momentarily, Bartell was shot in the forehead by JM, who went on as if to continue the shooting spree. Mark Johnson, a PE Teacher, confronted JM who raised his gun to shoot Johnson. Johnson literally raised his hands and said “No”, and JM surrendered. https://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mclaughlin-jason.htm Story 5: At roughly 10:30 AM JR walked into Columbia High School with a rage and pain he wanted to spread carrying a 12 gauge shotgun and the ammo to do it. Thankfully, JR only got two shots off, only managing to wound one of his teachers in the leg before an Assistant Principal could tackle JR and subdue him.Police and SWAT arrived several minutes later. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/10/nyregion/student-opens-fire-at-a-high-school-near-albany-hitting-a-teacher.html Story 6: February 13th, 2005, a quiet Sunday morning at the Hudson Valley Mall was interrupted by a black clad 24 year old RB. Despite shooting a 20 year old Army Recruiter in the knee and a 56 year old man in the hand, RB managed to miss everyone else and was eventually tackled by employees. https://www.recordonline.com/story/news/2005/02/14/gunman-goes-on-rampage-at/51136353007/ Story 7: On the afternoon of November 8, 2005 KB was called into the administrator's office of Campbell County Comprehensive High School for yet another weapon infraction. This time however, it was a .22 caliber that KB had brought to school. Upon being confronted, KB shot and killed an assistant principal and shot two other faculty. He was restrained by students and teachers until police took him away. He was later released from prison only to be in and out of prison with some charges including domestic abuse and allegedly killing his girlfriend's toddler. He is at large as of 2019 due to multiple miscarriages of justice. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9970713 https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2019/01/28/campbell-county-school-shooting-kenneth-bartley-trial/2666499002/ Story 8: Before the bell rang at 9:00 AM at Pine Middle School, Jencie Fagan heard a student yell at JN and JN fire 3 rounds into two 14 year old girls who survived. Fagan had the courage to confront JN and demand that he put the gun down and wait for authorities. JN heeded Fagan's prompting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Middle_School_shooting Story 9: Angered by the disciplinary actions meted out by Principal Klang at Weston Highschool, EH walked into school at 8:00 AM on September 29th, 2006 and aimed a shotgun at the Social Studies teacher. A janitorial staff member jumped EH and wrestled the shotgun out of EH's hands. Upon seeing the staff member struggling with the student, Principle Klang attempted to help the struggling janitor restrain EH. EH, however also had a .22 caliber pistol with which he shot Principle Klang multiple times. Although Klang and other staff were able to restrain EH, Klang died several hours later from the wounds to his head, torso, and leg. https://nthfmemorial.org/swept-the-gun-away-john-alfred-klang/ https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15060698 Story 10: On July 27, 2008 at The Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, a shooter opened fire on the congregation killing 2 wounding 7, before the congregants could tackle the shooter DA. According to the manifesto DA wrote, he intended to shoot congregants until he was shot by police. God had other plans.

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Marty Adcock is a Regional Manager at ALERRT - the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University. ALERRT was created in 2002 to address the need for active shooter response training for first responders. They've since expanded their program to train out of state, and now train first responders and citizens across all 50 states and even some foreign nations.  ALERRT has trained more than 130,000 law enforcement and fire officials nationwide. Strategic partnerships and grant funding have allowed them to expand their course offerings to also cater to civilians – they've since trained more than 200,000 citizens in their Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events (CRASE) Avoid-Deny-Awareness program.View ALERRT's course catalog here.  At the 2021 ILEETA conference, Adam and Marty got together to discuss ALERRT's mission, training model, and their work with both first responders and civilians. They also discuss the benefits of cross-disciplinary training and integrated critical incident response for first responders. In this episode, you will learn about proactive training vs reactive training, citizen training as a means of positively engaging your community, situational awareness, phases of critical incidents, utilizing TECC training, and key takeaways from the training offered by Marty at the ILEETA conference.  ALERRT also hosts the ALERRT Active Shooter Integrated Response Conference - the only national conference bridging the law enforcement, Fire and EMS responses to active shooter/attack events. Integrating first responder teams has proven to create stronger local, regional, state, and national active shooter response preparedness. Review the 2021 conference at: ALERRTConference.org. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Brandon Schuh sits down with attorneys: Michael Steinlage of Larson King and Elizabeth Burgess of Carr Allison to discuss the legal and insurance dynamics of an Active Shooter Event. The Problem: We are seeing more mass shootings and active shooter situations. This episode of Axe of Pod examines the types of liabilities that arise, how the law has dealt with these incidents in the past, insurers traditional approach, public policy consideration and insurance products that look at productive ways to transfer risk. We hope you enjoy the episode.

Episode 35: Rural ResponseA discussion about how small and rural communities can respond and structure their response to active shooter events.Bill Godfrey:Welcome to the Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast. My name is Bill Godfrey, your host of the podcast and today's topic we are going to talk about active shooter response and active shooter incident management in smaller communities or rural communities where there's not a lot of resources. I've got with me today three of the C3 Pathways instructors. We've got with is Joe Ferrara, who has not been in for a while. Joe, it's good to see you back here. Thanks for being here.Joe Ferarra:Good to be back.Bill Godfrey:Absolutely, and we've got Adam Pendley from law enforcement. So Joe's with fire, I guess I should say that, fire EMS. We got Adam Pendley, one of our law enforcement instructors. Adam, good to see you.Adam Pendley:Yes, sir. Nice to be here.Bill Godfrey:All right. So guys, the question of the day is, and the discussion point that we want to have is for those communities out there that are smaller communities, or rural communities, that don't have a lot of depth and resources, how can they still respond to these events and structure their response in a way? And what I'd like to do just so the audience can kind of follow along is kind of follow the checklist process in terms of the flow of the thing, which is going to lead us starting off with contact teams. So Adam, talk to us about some of the challenges when you have a limited number of officers, how do you stretch those resources for your contact teams and to do the security work needs to be done?Adam Pendley:Sure. I think for initial response to an active shooter event, that initial contact to address the threat, one of the things we find when there's less officers working in a geographical area is this idea that there's an increased chance that you're going to have a solo officer entry. So we'll start there. Across the country, many departments are training to the idea and adjusting policy to the idea that we may have to have a solo officer entry to at least put something down range to stop the killing, to get the suspect's attention off of the innocents and maybe toward the officer so they can address that threat. So solo officer entry is a conversation that all departments, but especially those that might not have as many resources on duty at a particular time of day or in a particular geographical area, they have to consider solo officer response.Then as that additional officer arrives, that linkup procedure and understanding how do you turn it from a solo officer response into that first contact team. And of course, when we use the term contact team, in a perfect world, we want that to be three, four, or five officers. But a contact team might just be those two officers. Both of them who are doing the security work with their weapons platform, facing the threat, eliminating the threat, somebody available to talk on the radio, and somebody... The two of them being able to kind of get that 540 degree security with each other, an extra set of eyes is always important. But that might be the entire size of your contact team. And as additional officers arrive, maybe from another jurisdiction, they know to form up as a second contact team that may also only be two officers.So I think it's important to be creative and tactically sound and realize that as we attend training and exercises, just be cognizant of the fact that how do we change our training to address making entry into a building with just one or two officers, and how does that change the tactics a little bit. With time, more officers will arrive. And so, how do you transition to building some additional teams on top of that?And then that gets us into our discussion, which I know we've discussed quite a bit, about the fifth man, that tactical group supervisor. And it's not always a hard number. In some instances the third officer arrives, might have to stay outside in and coordinate the resources that are eventually going to arrive instead of having all resources inside. Or some communities that we've worked with their plan is to have all on-duty resources go inside and then as additional resources arrive, hopefully one of them can extricate themselves from inside the scene and then come back out to kind of take that fifth man function. So it's very jurisdiction specific on how you get creative.Bill Godfrey:So Robert, I'm curious, Adam's talking about reducing the contact team size, which obviously I think makes sense when your resource is constrained. What are the implications for that in training? When you're trying to train your law enforcement guys how to work in contact teams is there a difference in the way you need to train them and in the tactics that they need to use, if it's just a couple of them?Robert McMahan:Well, I think the biggest difference is we're actually doing it in training and working through what it looks like to have smaller numbers of officers on a contact team. And often our rural small jurisdictions don't get the same amount of training because they don't have the trained dollars. But when you're looking ahead towards this kind of incident, you've got to make that sacrifice somehow to get that training done so they know what they're doing. Officers that are responding in these hot situations that don't have that trainer are more at risk to getting injured or killed and not solving the situation without that training. So trainings got to be the first thing that to be addressed in these.Bill Godfrey:Okay. So we've got a couple there on how to reduce some of the team size, looking at solo officer entry and reducing the team sizes. I think everybody can kind of nod your head and see that. Do we still need a tactical, do we still need a fifth man when we're resource constrained? What do you think?Adam Pendley:So, yes, absolutely. The thing that is very important to realize is that the call for help has gone out so more resources are coming and if you only have three or four deputies or police officers that are on duty and they're all inside, and we know from experience that many of our buildings, especially in rural areas, once you get inside a building, the radio doesn't work anymore. So now you have follow on resources that are entering blindly if they don't have someone outside as a guide or a gatekeeper to what's going on. And a lot of our radio systems, you'll have a car to car type function that would work well so you can have two or three officers inside and that third or fourth officer that's outside that can use that car to car frequency to establish what's going on inside to establish a strategy of some sort.So when those mutual aid officers finally arrive, or even from a callback situation, we know in some communities, they have a plan to call officers at home and they quickly throw on a gun belt and there and out the door they go to the scene. And when that officer arrives, they really do need that tactical direction. So I'm not comfortable sacrificing the tactical group supervisor in these situations because I've said this many times, one more gun inside the crisis site might not be nearly as valuable as managing the 10 more guns that are on their way.Bill Godfrey:That's a really interesting point. And Adam, it kind of reminds me of the one group we work with. It was a very rural county out in the Midwest, and on a good day, they had three law enforcement officers on duty, four if you counted the sheriff, if the sheriff himself happened to be there. And they actually, after they went through training with their volunteer fire department, came to an arrangement with their volunteer fire department that all of the armed officers would go down range as quickly as possible to try to deal with the threat, and it would be the fire department's responsibility to take care of all the outside stuff, to get all the incident management positions stood up and kind of coordinate all of those other items on the checklist that needed to get done.And then as soon as the officers that were down range felt like they had just a little bit of stability on controlling the threat and it was warm enough, they would then have one officer back out and go grab the medics to kind of bring them in. I thought that was a pretty... I thought it was pretty creative, and quite honestly, a fascinating look into the mindset of a rural community who's used to having to rely on each other and make things work. I mean, I can think of any number of city or metro agencies where the idea that law enforcement would delegate those tasks to the fire department would just be crazy. But I don't know. I thought it was pretty interesting way. Robert, how does that strike you?Robert McMahan:There's a lot of things that can be done to spread the workload to maybe some unconventional areas. Everybody's got some form of road and bridge that can be brought into help control perimeter as far as access at least, maybe not the security element, but they can provide that access control to the scene and around the command post and other areas. You've got civilians within your community that may be formed into groups, that may be able to be accessed to help out with some things like a reunification program.You could get reunification on the school side, but you can also get some pieces of that from various civilian groups that come in and help staff some of those positions. So, they've got to be creative in how they can fill those things with maybe some non-commission personnel in some of those areas. And planning ahead is a big part of it because in a lot of rural areas, there's wildlife officers, there's forest service officers that we don't normally think about in these responses, and they may not even be on the channel to hear the call for help. So in the planning part of it, if they're thinking about, "Hey, there's these types of officers out in the area that we can maybe call in on." Think about calling them early on in the response.Bill Godfrey:Interesting. So before we get too far afield, down range on the other stuff, because you mentioned a couple of things I want to come back to, but before we get there, I obviously want to jump over to the medical side. So we talked a little bit about that initial law enforcement [inaudible 00:11:06] and the contact teams, but Joe, I'd like to tangent over to the medical side, and to me it seems there's a couple of challenges or potentially a couple of challenges here from not having enough staffing because you're a small or rural community, you've got limited access to the number of medics that are on duty. But also I've seen an awful lot of rural communities where the fire department is volunteer, doesn't have medical capability, they've got an EMS system that works very well for them, but then there's some challenges there because how do you operate when the medics are downrange, but then you also have to do transport. So Joe, can you talk a little bit about some ideas and thoughts on how to make those resources work and how to kind of plan ahead?Joe Ferarra:Sure. So the interesting thing about rural America is, as compared to the metropolitan areas, where you already mentioned that in metropolitan areas we tend to operate in silos, where we do our police, we do our fire, we do our EMS. But when we get out to rural America, the great thing about it is it's a whole community approach, everybody works together, whether that be volunteer fire, or a small fire department working with either a partnered private EMS agency, or a countywide EMS, and then working with law enforcement.And take that one step further, or one other layer on top of this, in many small communities, we have public safety officers that are triple certified as police, fire, and medic, and we'll kind of circle back to that. But in the basic concept where we might have two paramedics on an ambulance and we have however many volunteer firefighters that would show up for that incident, let's just say four them show up on an [inaudible 00:13:00] initially, we're going to have to be really creative because we don't want to put those non-medically trained personnel down range with a security component and ask them to do advanced triage. But we also don't want to lose our personnel and our ambulance because the key to an ambulance on an active shooter event is that is our mechanism to get to the hospital. And without that, we're going to lose time... Great, we have an ambulance, but we have nobody in it.So smaller communities, I think working together, maybe using your fire department as your drivers for the ambulance so you can free up one EMS personnel from a two person unit, and having one paramedic stay with the ambulance, and the other paramedic now get with law enforcement as a rescue task force, and there's your security component and your medical component going downrange and taking care of the patient, ultimately getting them into the ambulance and transport them out of there.So there needs to be all those partnerships looking to mutual aid agreements, looking to other parts of the community. And like I said, I applaud rural America because I think they do the best job at the whole community approach because they have to, they have to have all those pieces. They don't have resources to throw at it like a metropolitan area does.Bill Godfrey:It's interesting, Adam mentioned earlier the idea of doing callback, and I'm kind of reminded that most volunteer departments work that way. How realistic is, do you think, [inaudible 00:14:32] on the EMS side, on the medical side, I shouldn't necessarily just say EMS, but on the medical side for a rural community or a smaller community that's got limited resources, to be able to set up some sort of callback program. Is that going to work fast enough, you think, Joe, to get some medical help?Joe Ferarra:I think so. I mean, for the most part, depending on the model, let's say it's a public utility model or it's a third service EMS. Certainly there's depth there because they're working in shift work similar to how fire departments work so it should not be too much of an issue to have a depth and a callback list. And then if it's a contracted third service or contracted private ambulance, depending on the size of the company, I mean, they could have regional and statewide resources that can be there from a callback perspective.Certainly counties also should work with their emergency management because let's not forget the certificate and need process that occurs in EMS across this country. If I want to be a ambulance provider in that community, and maybe my business is normally transporting a patient from the hospital to the nursing home, the law usually requires, and it's going to be different by jurisdiction, that that ambulance be available in time of emergency. So there are other resources and that's where it's key to tap into your emergency management because they have the reach out to all those other agencies that can assist with that patient transfer.Bill Godfrey:Okay. So let's just kind of recap where we're at. At the basic response level we've got to have on the law enforcement side some certified, armed law enforcement officers to deal with the situation. And on the medical side, we need some trained medical people that are trained and equipped and certified to whatever level the community wants, to also be available to go deal with the situation. We've talked about a couple of ways to stretch those. So let's shift gears and talk a little bit about how to manage this and some of the ideas, robert, you started going down that road a little bit, on some of the ideas for some of the additional ancillary rules that we know need to be filled. Where do we go with that, Adam?Adam Pendley:Sure. I mean, once you get outside of those... That are downrange in the crisis side, there's still a lot of jobs to be filled. So let's take the command post for example. So you have your contact teams and medical and RTF doing their job. You have some sort of tactical in place, tactical triage and transport. It's ideal to have someone handling the triage group function and the transport group function separately, but that might have to be combined into one function so that you have that one fire EMS person downrange making those decisions.But at the command post level, and that's really where you can leverage a lot of help. In many areas there's three or four law enforcement officers that are helping with scribing and helping with talking on the radio and helping doing some other things, same thing on the fire EMS side, they have a trained firefighter that's in there helping scribe and manage resources and keeping the incident commander informed. When reality, you may only have the ability to have an incident commander from law enforcement, a medical branch director from fire EMS, and then you have to train in advance to the point that Robert made earlier is these are training opportunities that you have to develop during a policy development and training and exercises, find those people that can be trained to do those jobs.If I were running a command post in an area that has a fewer resources available, I would reach out to my civilian staff and train them on how to help as scribes in the command post, how to use the radio, how to make resource requests, how to go to the dispatch center and help answer extra calls for service that are coming in. And not necessarily calls for service, but all those calls for information that are going to be coming in. So every part of your civilian staff that works, in not only your agencies, but in the city and public works, like was mentioned, they can all be trained up to do those ancillary jobs when they're called to duty.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. And Robert, I think you were kind of going down this road when you were talking about the perimeter responsibilities, certainly for the outer perimeter. And I know we've got one of our instructors that worked in a smaller community and she had a fairly creative way... I've worked out a deal with our public works department to respond with the garbage trucks and the dump trucks to be able to quickly close down the roads and be able to isolate an area. And while that didn't get used on an active shooter event, it did get used on a bank robbery quite effectively. I mean, are there some other ideas that stick out in your mind about where to get some other resources and be able to kind of backfill some of those ancillary roles?Robert McMahan:So one area that communities can consider is, sometimes they're called CERT teams, civilian emergency response teams. Other agencies have community safety volunteer programs. And if you don't have them in your rural areas, it's something that you could think about starting up getting your community involved and trained to do certain roles like traffic control and other various needs within that emergency response.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. I think that's a great idea. Joe, you got any that jump out in your mind?Joe Ferarra:Yeah. One that jumps out at me and you mentioned CERT, there's another area and this is through the health department. So if the emergency management or the agency directors work with their health department ahead of time, many health departments across the country have what's called MRCs or medical reserve corps. And these are made up of, they may be retired nurses and doctors in the community, or even current and practicing ones. And they're actually in a response mode. So there's a potential there, and I'm not talking a response mode of eight minutes, advanced life support on scene, but they're going be able to support the operation. So imagine being able to get some doctors and nurses to the scene, and that's where your health department and that where it is key to work with emergency management because they have those connections.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. And I guess in some ways... You mentioned the medical reserve corps. I mean, if you're in a smaller or a rural community, it's not just at the scene you're going to have the problem, your local hospital's going to have the problem too.Adam Pendley:Absolutely. And so that all ties into that personnel recall as well, that we mentioned earlier, and also your emergency management. So on both of those, remember, even if you have resources between on-duty and mutual aid that you're able to handle the incident, all of those resources are now pretty much out of service. It's a very stressful event, you may have officer involved shooting protocols that you have to follow.And that happened in an incident that I was involved in, it involves civil unrest. We had a lot of units tied up responding to the civil unrest, and as a responding agency assistant chief, the calls I started making was for emergency recall right away because all of those units were now going to be out of service for a long period of time. And so getting that process started early is very important, I think, when you have a limited number of resources.And then secondly to that is, again, another early call, if somebody can remember to make it very early on in the incident, is reaching out to that county emergency manager because they're going to also be able to bring some of their staff in to help with a lot of the administrative type stuff. But they have plans for trying to call in additional resources. So it's a way to get all of those things started very early on. So somebody has to make that decision and make that call very early to get that going.Robert McMahan:So another area that I just thought of is a lot of rural communities have some kind of incident management team, which could be another call-up resource to come in and help out with this kind of thing. And as I was sitting here, we were talking about hospitals and their resources in these communities. Remember, in some of these communities, and I lived in one before I got into law enforcement where the hospital was 60 miles away. And so it's going to take time to transport patients to that hospital, a lot of time, and so we might think about having that agreement with that hospital to fly resources to the site to get some more advanced care on the site until we can get patients transported that far away.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. That's interesting. I mean, there's a few... I'm not aware of any here in the US, but certainly overseas, there's a few models where they have physicians and physician staff that are either assigned to the medical helicopter, or are available immediately to be deployed to the medical helicopter. It's really interesting. What strikes me about this conversation is we're talking about a lot of ideas here, and I think there's a lot of really good ideas about how to do this on the response side. But the thing that really catches my attention is, I'm not sure that you're going to do a whole lot of this at the time of the incident. This has got to be done before the bang. We're talking about a lot of planning. Where's the best place for that to occur within the community. If we've got some firefighters or some police officers, or medics that are working and serving rural America, who do they turn to to say, "Hey, listen, we need to work on this a little bit?"Adam Pendley:Well, I think mainly that work has to happen together. That's the first thing is you got to get everyone at the same table at the same time, but I can tell you from a law enforcement perspective, I've been called many times by local entities in the community that want to host an active shooter exercise. But that almost always involves some tactical officers demonstrating what it would look like, what gunshots would sound like as they're running down the hallway. And then we begin to treat a couple of patients, but then that's the end of the exercise.The reality is is we need to think about everything else that's going to need to be done. And that's where the conversation really begins because honestly, most law enforcement officers in this country are ready to do the tactical part. And yes, we need training, but that's not where we need the exercise and the policy development. We need the policy development in making sure that all of these creative ideas can happen without somebody standing there and saying, "Oh, I can't do that. The policy doesn't allow it." Or, "I can't help drive that ambulance because state law doesn't allow it." That's where you have to dig deep now to answer those questions. So when you ask a public works person to use his truck to block traffic at an incident, does his union contract allow him to do that? Those are the kinds of questions that you have to dig deep and get the answers to now so you're prepared to be that creative on scene.Bill Godfrey:Joe, what's your thoughts? You're working as a medic in a rural community, where do you start?Joe Ferarra:So Adam already mentioned that it starts with the agencies, but I'll take it one step further in that. In every community and in our great country, there's a comprehensive emergency management plan. And the purpose of that is to plan for emergency response. So we start with emergency management, emergency management has the relationships, hopefully already, that they put together to design a response plan. And then you work through all the iterations of that, that may involve, "Okay, well, if the governor declares this a disaster area, can we override XYZ regulation and deal with these things?" But in my book, that's clearly a comprehensive emergency management plan function.Bill Godfrey:Robert, what about on the political side or the management side? Is there an opportunity with a city manager, or a county manager, or the mayor, or the elected officials to ask them for their help in opening doors and kind of greasing the wheels? What are your thoughts?Robert McMahan:Yes, absolutely. And these are key people that have got to get involved in this on the front end, before the bang, as you said. And figure out how they're going to enable the resources that they have to respond to this. And where the agreements are, are they in place with the hospital 60 miles away? Are the agreements in place with other resources that they've got to have to answer this kind of call?So those political leaders, sheriffs, and I'm not even thinking chiefs of police because we're talking so small here, but maybe there is a chief of police, town marshall, county managers-Bill Godfrey:County judge.Robert McMahan:... county judge, all those things need to be brought together to figure out what these legal issues may be and what these logistical issues may be to get these agreements in place. And so everybody knows what needs to occur and that it can occur when this happens.Bill Godfrey:So guys, let me ask this bottom line question. So no question, this is a difficult challenge for a resource constraint community, no question about it. But bottom line, fixable and doable?Adam Pendley:Absolutely.Bill Godfrey:Joe?Joe Ferarra:Yes, absolutely.Robert McMahan:Absolutely.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. And I think so too. In some cases you've got to be creative and it may not be easy to get buy-in from everybody, but I think there's a common need here. And it seems, if you're willing to commit to a little bit of work and plan ahead of time that it can come together.Robert McMahan:Absolutely. Those pieces that we teach in active shooter incident management that need to occur, these communities need to come together, these community leaders need to come together and look at that, realize what their shortcomings are, and figure out, "How are we going to get this done?" And it may not happen when that bang goes off, it may not happen as quickly as we want, but it can happen and we need to plan ahead on how we're going to do that.Bill Godfrey:Absolutely. Well guys, thank you so much for taking the time. I will say this, I'm kind of reminded a little bit here on the 10 part series we did on the 10 questions that the mayor or the city manager should ask their police chief or fire chief together to talk about that. If you're out there in a rural community or a resource constraint community, and you're trying to kind of figure out where to start that political conversation, you might want to revisit some of the series of those 10 questions the mayor can ask the police chief and fire chief because there was some good stuff. They can arm you with the kind of things that you can approach your elected officials with. And if you get their buy-in, they can really begin to open doors. If they didn't have relationships and couldn't open doors, they probably wouldn't have got elected in the first place. But just a thought out there for our listeners.Robert, Adam, Joe, thank you so much for taking the time to come in guys and talk about this very important issue. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us for the podcast. If you haven't subscribed, please do so on whatever device that you consume your podcasts on. If you have any suggestions, ideas, or questions, please email them to us at info@c3pathways.com. Until next time. Stay safe.

Active Shooter Events (also known as Active Intruder) are an example of what happen at Columbine, Aurora Colorado, Las Vegas concert, Pensacola Naval Air Station, and many other public places where Soft Targets exist for psychopaths. Active Shooter/Active Intruder/Terrorist Events are becoming more common. It's not just with a gun. Criminals are using machetes, swords, bats, axes, as well as their bare fists to murder and hurt innocent people. (CLICK HERE for "How to Survive an Active Shooter Event")Where do they happen? Why do they happen? Can we predict them? Will Laws stop them?The goal of this podcast is to share that effective training exists so that more people can survive an Active Shooter/Active Intruder event. Our Mission is to Save Lives.Who should be Learning this? Schools/CampusesBusinessesHospitalsPlaces of WorshipMilitary BasesHome Owners - (Home Invasions are violent)Proactive Individuals who want greater control over their livesTo get more information on Active Shooter Response Training:Call 1-833-COBRA-00 / 1-833-262-7200CLICK HERE for Training Information from COBRA Self DefenseVisit TheSelfDefenseChannel.com and Click on the TRAINING tabDownload the Active Shooter Response Training manual CLICK HEREWhat's the Solution? An scenario based Active Shooter Response plan (not a powerpoint or a slide show)What is Reality/Scenario Based Self Defense Training? - LEARN MORE (video)Reality Based Self defense training is fun. But being in a real world encounter without knowing self defense is something you never want to repeat! About Your Hosts Greg Pasden - Not only is Greg an expert in reality based self defense training, he is alsoa US veteran with over 22 years of military and combat experience,  an international certified instructor and co-owner of COBRA Columbus Self Defense Training - teaching reality based self defense. He is 1 of the 3 original Cane Self Defense Empowerment Coaches in the USA teaching combat cane self defense, an experienced world traveler, an international cargo pilot, a family man, and creator of The Self Defense Channel.To learn more about Greg and his skills - CLICK HERE.My name is Doc Stull. I am a retired educator, ESPN radio host/writer/narrator, spoken-word performer, musician, professional American accent trainer with clients word-wide, founder of American Speech Dynamics and, an Advanced Instructor and 1 of the top Cane Self-Defense Empowerment Coaches to learn more about Doc and his skills - CLICK HERE.  Visit The Self Defense Channel for Much Morewww.TheSelfDefenseChannel.com

Active Shooter Events (also known as Active Intruder) are an example of what happen at Columbine, Las Vegas concert, Pensacola Naval Air Station, and many other public places where Soft Targets exist for psychopaths. Active Shooter/Active Intruder/Terrorist Events are becoming more common. It's not just with a gun. Criminals are using machetes, swords, bats, axes, as well as their bare fists to murder and hurt innocent people.Where do they happen? Why do they happen? Can we predict them? Will Laws stop them?The goal of this podcast is to share that effective training exists so that more people can survive an Active Shooter/Active Intruder event. Our Mission is to Save LivesThis is Why I invited the active shooter expert,  Mark McKay - Vice President of COBRA International - to answer many of these questions and to share some tips that could possibly save the lives of our listeners. For more answers, you can call 833-262-7200 and ask to speak to an Active Shooter Response instructor. Who should be Learning this? Schools/CampusesBusinessesHospitalsPlaces of WorshipMilitary BasesProactive Individuals who want greater control over their livesScenario Based Interactive Learning (Hands-On) combined with LIVE instruction by professional experts and written material is by far the best way to learn this skill. Public Service Announcements gave us cool sounding "Programs" like "RUN-HIDE-FIGHT",  along with an incomplete incomplete information... information that fails to effectively teaching people How to Run Defensively, How to Hide properly, and techniques - backed by science - on How to Fight so that you can be survive.  What's the Solution? An scenario based Active Shooter Response plan (not a powerpoint or a slide show)NOTE: There is Not a Law - Now or in the Future - that will stop a psychopath criminal. Why?  Because "CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS".  Download this Podcast. It just might just Save Your Life! What is Reality/Scenario Based Self Defense Training? - LEARN MORE (video)Reality Based Self defense training is fun. But being in a real world encounter without knowing self defense is something you never want to repeat! About Your Hosts Greg Pasden - Not only is Greg an expert in reality based self defense training, he is alsoa US veteran with over 22 years of military and combat experience,  an international certified instructor and co-owner of COBRA Columbus Self Defense Training - teaching reality based self defense. He is 1 of the 3 original Cane Self Defense Empowerment Coaches in the USA teaching combat cane self defense, an experienced world traveler, an international cargo pilot, a family man, and creator of The Self Defense Channel.My name is Doc Stull. I am a retired educator, ESPN radio host/writer/narrator, spoken-word performer, musician, professional American accent trainer with clients word-wide, founder of American Speech Dynamics and, an Advanced Instructor and 1 of the 3 original Cane Self-Defense Empowerment Coaches.  Visit The Self Defense Channel for Much Morewww.TheSelfDefenseChannel.com

Through their experiences in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the military as well as public safety and other medical personnel learned the value of immediate care for injured civilians, while working with first-arriving law enforcement officers, at active shooter and other mass casualty incidents.With the publication of the four Hartford Consensus documents on Improving Survival from Active Shooter Events, the importance of including law enforcement officers as part of the continuum of care was highlighted. With civil disturbances becoming an all too frequent occurrence, the mechanisms and types of injuries have changed from just penetrating trauma to a host of other injuries – such as blast burn and inhalation injuries, tension pneumothorax, crush and pelvic injuries as well as exposure to chemical agents. Join A.J. Heightman and his guests for a discussion of new approaches and courses for the delivery of tactical medicine in the field by law enforcement personnel and by first responders at civil disturbances.

This Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events (CRASE) presentation was given on January 31, 2019 by Captain John Gardner, Ret. at Immanuel Lutheran Church-Five Forks in Simpsonville, SC. John Gardner began his career in 1991 as a patrol deputy with the Greenville County Sheriff’s Office. He spent several years with narcotic investigations before moving to K9 as a handler and later as K9 team trainer. He retired as Captain at the Travelers Rest Police Department in northern Greenville County and commanded operations. John currently assists Furman University Police for special events and teaches throughout the Carolinas. See the video of this presentation on Immanuel's YouTube channel at https://youtu.be/qmxSMb5jUJY. Learn more about the Avoid | Deny | Defend™ three-step plan for surviving an active shooter event at http://www.avoiddenydefend.org/. Learn more about the CRASE course at https://alerrt.org/page/CivilianResponse. Connect with Immanuel at https://www.immanuellutheranchurch.com/.

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Law enforcement has another name for mass shootings they call them, Active Shooter Events. Sandy Hook, Columbine, Sutherland Springs, Tx., Texas Tech, all of these situations are well-known Active Shooter Events... How do we prepare? Sgt. Darryl Banks and Officer Robert Carlson will walk us through some of the scenarios that, if we are lucky, we will never experience personally.

Episode 08: Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) Discussion of IEDs - Improvised Explosive Devices (aka bombs) in Active Shooter Events. Bill Godfrey: Welcome to this next discussion in ongoing podcast series talking about active shooter incident management. Today, we are going to be talking about the impact of improvised explosive devices in the presence of active shooter events. I have with us today to join the conversation Billy Perry, retired detective and bomb technician from the Jacksonville area. Welcome, thanks for coming in Billy. Billy Perry: Thank you for having me. Bill Godfrey: And Tom Billington, retired fire chief from the south Florida area. Tom, thanks for coming in.Tom Billington: Thanks for having me.Bill Godfrey: I am Bill Godfrey, also one of the other instructors. Tom and Billy, both instructors here with C3 on the active shooter incident management course. Billy, let's start off with you on the bomb tech side. What is the real threat of bombs to us from a practical point of view in these active shooter events? Based on what we've seen and what's going on, what is the threat? Billy Perry: I'm glad you're asking these questions, Bill. Bombs and IEDs are becoming much more prevalent in our world. When I say "our world", I'm talking about our world in the law enforcement fire community and especially in the active shooter realm. They are becoming more frequent. They're becoming more sophisticated. They're becoming more reliable and, as a result, more dangerous. One of things that we like to say is "bombs have the right of way". You can't negotiate with them. They're an inanimate object and they're something to be concerned with. In our curriculum, we talk about 50 pounds and less being a device that we're concerned with. Where I came from and our jurisdiction, we were responsible for everything under 100 pounds under water. That's a lot. 50 pounds of explosives is a significant amount and will do a lot of damage. Ignorance reigns supreme and to be frank, when I was involved in the explosive breaching side as a S.W.A.T. guy, I was very cavalier about explosives and I was terrified of a dirty bomb. Then, I found out that a, once I learned about explosives, I realized that I wasn't afraid of a dirty bomb. I could fix that with a whisk broom and dust buster, but conventional explosives now, I'm mortified of. They terrify me. We have to be concerned about that. We have to be concerned about secondaries because bombers are like knife fighters. If you have one knife in law enforcement, you always look for another one and a third. The same thing with bomb. If they do one, they like to have two. Redundancy. Like I said before, they come from the department of redundancy department. You want to be cognizant of that. Just be careful with them. Bill Godfrey: Interesting segue in that, they come from the redundancy department is kind of funny, but I guess in many ways true here. From the active shooter events that we've seen and from the security information you're privy to, what are the kinds of things that guys that are operating on the inside should be looking for? If they have a bomb or they seize, if there is a bomb present, somebody brought an IED to the thing, what are the sizes? What's the range of the threat that they're looking for? What's the size of the package the device triggers? Any common stuff there? Anything to keep eyes out for? Billy Perry: Absolutely. They're the normal ones and we've seen all of them in the instance such as the Boston bombing, such as the San Bernardino incident. They've had the triggers from electric. They've had, when I say "electric", San Bernardino was a Christmas bulb which ran off of a battery. They had a remote-controlled, San Bernardino, remote-controlled car. The Boston bombers made grenades out of elbows, galvanized elbows. We have to be very cognizant of all those. They're usually hand-portable, but they are still very formidable devices. Bill Godfrey: Got you. As we're a contact team or a rescue task force, both of them, they're moving downrange, they see something that just doesn't look right, what are the steps? What's the initial action? Billy Perry: Great question again. I'll tell you, in our curriculum we say IED and tell where it goes on the checklist. We talk about that, where is it and talk about what it is. Where I come from, we were not super smart and what we had to do is, because I'm one of us and I can say that and we keep things really, really simple. We use the word "bomb" because nothing else can be mistaken for "bomb". The only time that we use the word "go" is in response, or in regards, I should say to "bomb". We say "bomb cover" or "bomb go". If we are moving down a passageway, a hallway or down in a area and we run into a device and by running into, I mean we see it, the point man sees it. No matter what size it is, we're practicing a 540 scan, 360 around, 180 degrees up and down and if you see it, immediately stop. Just like the military has a 5-25-5 meter immediate area scan, 25 meter area scan, we do the 5 foot scan and the 25 foot area scan to look for other things, but we call out "bomb cover". If the bomb is a distance from us, we say "bomb cover" and we move to cover creating angles and air gaps. [inaudible 00:05:33] one person will hold on it, not necessarily looking at it because what are we covering? The bomb. If you can see the bomb, the bomb can see you. You've got to remember a bomb is a gun that fires in a 540 degree arc. It doesn't miss. We want to make sure that we keep that away, but we're still paying attention for actionable intelligence and stimulus. If it's coming at us, I should say, like if the bomber comes out or the shooter comes out and throws something towards us, that would be "bomb go" and we're going to move past it. Is this moving toward us? We're going to move past it towards them and continue the assault. Bill Godfrey: Tom, I want to bring you into the conversation at this point. We've got a group of injured. There's a contact team that's either in the area or passed through the area because we've seen this happen in some incidents across the country. We're working to provide some medical, emergent medical care to the patients and then get them evacked out and then we find a device. What's the impact, because on the rescue task force for medics being downrange, we talk about them being in a warm zone, but obviously if we're in the vicinity of what we believe is a bomb, that makes it a direct threat environment. Suddenly, it becomes a hot zone. What's the course of action? Tom, from your perspective, you've got medics downrange. They're already in there. You've got patients that need to get evacked out. Lo and behold, turn around, there's a backpack, there's a thing, there's a whatever. What actions are they going to take? What do you think is going to happen? Tom Billington: Actually, this is a good discussion point. Usually before we activate the RTF, law enforcement will tell the EMS or fire crew, "Here's what's going to happen if somebody starts shooting". It might be a good idea to have the conversation, "Here's what we're going to do if we see something suspicious. That way, it doesn't take the fire or EMS personnel off guard. If somebody says "bomb", I know that right away can make a firefighter go, "Oh, what do we do now?" Obviously, having the conversation beforehand is very important. Again, making sure we have relationships with our law enforcement, very important. Again, if I was on the scene with Billy and we're looking at something that was maybe a device and he gave me direction, I would listen to it because I trust him wholeheartedly. I know his abilities. We need to make sure that the fire community is meeting with these experts not during, but way before an incident occurs. I think those two things alone will really help the fire or EMS folks be able to handle a situation when it comes up. Bill Godfrey: Billy, that scenario and what Tom is describing, I think it makes a lot of sense. They're in a room. They're in a casualty collection point. Lo and behold, you're working on five, six, seven patients and here's a device. Here's an honest goodness believed to be legit device. What are the things that they can do. What are the things that they can do to try to make themselves a little safer, make the patients a little safer short of the obvious of grab them and get them out of there? Are there anything, other things that they can do? Billy Perry: If it's a small room, we're going to get them out of there. We're going to have to move them. Space is your friend. If an area will provide you cover from rifle fire, it's probably going to be okay for distance from a bomb. It's going to be better than obviously nothing. Space and good cover and angles. Multiple angles are even better, not in a confined area, but we're going to, if it is a very small device and again, all devices aren't the same. It's hard to pack ourselves up. Again, I don't want to overemphasize them, but I don't want to downplay them too much either. If you look at a hand grenade that's a small amount of composition B, but man, the amount of damage that it does compared to a block of C4, that's amazingly devastating, but a pipe bomb with black powder, let's say, is going to be a significant event, but it's not going to be anywhere near the same because you've got a low explosive versus a high explosive. If they are in a closed area, obviously bunkering it, the device without touching it and that. I think, for your RTF, I think if your initial responders and everybody are pretty switched on, they're going to be looking for that because I know we train for that. We train to look for that. They're going to see something that's out of the ordinary. Again, there's a huge difference between something with a radio antenna coming out of it like the car in San Bernardino and a pipe bomb with a fuse that's burned, you can see the burn marks that it didn't go off. There's a huge difference between the two because the one is probably not going to happen obviously, or it would've, and then there's the other. Then, there's the other types of devices that you're worried about, but go ahead. Bill Godfrey: I want to try to get you to clarify something because I know what you mean, but obviously on a podcast when we're just talking about things, it's sometimes a little hard to explain because you've mentioned several times angles. Can you be a little more clear on what you mean by angles for the people that are listening? Billy Perry: Absolutely. When you encounter a device, you want to create angles. You want to move in a 90-degree angle from it, like if you can go down another hallway, if you can go around the corner of a building. Again, multiple angles are even better. You don't want to be in a room or a house with it if you can or a building if you can. You want to get out. If you have to stay in it, you want to create as much air and angles from it adjoining rooms and areas as you can. Again, if it's bomb cover, we're going to have one person that's going to stop and provide cover being responsible for cover downrange without staring at the device. Somebody else is going to be moving to look for an alternate route, just try to find another way around it and move on, but if we get stimulus, if we get actionable intelligence, we're going to move past that device frankly with the exception of possibly a PIR, a passive infrared or a motion detector no different than you have on a flood light or a motion detector on a burglar alarm. Those are different because those are pretty effective. We're going to be very cognizant of those. That's going to require another entry.Bill Godfrey: Best case scenario: You spot it, call it out to the team, fall back, find another way around it and then continue to execute your mission. We haven't talked about [inaudible 00:12:23] yet. Guess let's put a tag in that one and come back to it.Billy Perry: Okay. Okay.Bill Godfrey: The idea of angles, we want to get around corners. Part of that is the blast wave. Is it also the fragmentation that you're trying to get away from? Billy Perry: You're trying to get away from ... Bombs injure us and kill us in three ways: Heat, fragmentation and overpressure, or the shockwave, the overpressure, the changes in pressure. They're all dangerous. They're all bad. You're a firefighter, you know. [inaudible 00:12:49] burned, we don't want pressure and we definitely don't want frag, which is a bunch of baby bullets or big bullets even. That's why distance and cover are important.Bill Godfrey: Okay. With that said, let's talk a little bit about marking it. If you come upon something, and when we say "come upon it", let's just be clear, we're not talking about it is at your feet and you've closed on it to six inches. That's not what we're talking about. You've seen it 15, 20, 30 feet down the hallway as you're coming up on something. Billy Perry: Hopefully.Bill Godfrey: Hopefully. We hope.Billy Perry: Right. Hopefully. Bill Godfrey: What's the kinds of things that are effective for marking it to alert other crews not to go down there or alert it that that's, there's something unusual there? Billy Perry: We really emphasize glow sticks. We really do. Green and red glow sticks. We emphasize those and we emphasize everybody having a bag for active incidents and having those in there. We recommend, if you mark it with red, that means it's something along the lines of a PIR or something that's command-detonated with an antenna. Don't go past that. Don't go past that. We recommend something that is green and red combined, link them together for something that has a fuse that's burned. This is probably not going to go off, but don't tarry here. Move by. If you've got to move by, we'd look at it and I've always said, "Just move. Don't sit and look at it. Don't waste time. Look at where you want to go and go. Don't look at the bomb. Don't mess with the bomb. Don't mess with it. Just let it go. Hopefully you ignore it, it ignores you and you move on." Then, green for something that a bomb tech would put down saying, "This one has been mitigated, trip wires." Be cognizant of that. That's another thing to look for. Look for the initiating mechanism. If you do see a device, look and see if you see any wires or fishing line or anything like that. Bill Godfrey: Okay. I'm going to tangent a little bit here and ask a harder question. This scenario I'm about to give you has come up a number of times in training that we've done and it's been interesting seeing responder's reactions to it. In some cases, there's been the threat of a vehicle-borne IED, which you make an interesting point about the distinction between a bomb in a vehicle and a vehicle that is a bomb. I'll let you explain on that a little bit as well, but the threat of what is believed to be a vehicle-borne IED that has an exposure to people that you need to rescue and as quick as you're going to move, it's going to take time. You've got 15, 20, 30 people that need to be rescued. No matter how you chalk it up, that's going to take a lot of time and a lot of people. Tom, recall back the scenarios we've seen where people have used firetrucks as shielding between where the casualties are and between where this potential vehicle-borne IED. On the one hand, firetruck, big red truck, made mostly of aluminum, which is not necessarily that good, but also there got a lot of water sitting in the middle of them. Billy Perry: That's what I was about to say.Bill Godfrey: Talk a little bit about what are the strategies. Tom, I'm trying to remember how many times we've seen that now. Is that a good strategy? Are there better ideas? How do you handle ... Tom and I are on the medical side. What are we supposed to see with these patients that are in a hot zone that are exposed to this thing? We can't diffuse it. We can't make the bomb go away. We can't get rid of it. What do we do? Billy Perry: You're on the right track. Absolutely firetrucks are amazing cover, so are garbage trucks. They really are. They're big, heavy, they deflect pressure waves. They're really, really good, but those, but while you're putting those in place, be moving as many as you can. We have to move them. [inaudible 00:17:00] whatever, we've got to move them, got to get them out of there because we're not going to move the car obviously, because another thing that we don't do when we have a device, even in a movement area, like with an active shooter in a building or in an office complex or whatever, we're not going to change the environment. We're going to leave the environment where it is and we're not going to change the lights. We're not going to move it obviously, which that brings me to another good point. Let's put a pin in that one, or about touching bombs. We're not going to change the car. We're not going to move the car out of the way. We're not going to move that. The point you were talking about is, there's a big difference between the pipe bomb in the backseat of a car, that's not a car. That's not a VBID, that's not a car bomb. That is a bomb in a car. Putting something like 50 pounds of explosives in the backseat, something that uses the car as the case or as the actual mechanism for transport, that would be a car bomb. There's a huge difference in them. If you look at Secora, New Mexico, you'll see that requires a lot of space, but you also want the cover as close to the patients as possible because the pressure waves [crosstalk 00:18:10] Bill Godfrey: That was one of the questions I was going to ask is: Do we want the cover closer to the vehicle or closer to the patients? Billy Perry: Closer to the patients because the pressure wave will go over them.Tom Billington: Joining on what Billy just said about the shockwave and making sure we have the barrier as close to the patients as possible, something for the RTFs to think about and again, as Billy said, we're not going to be worrying about [inaudible 00:18:32] and things like that. We need to do rapid extrication. Time is going to be our friend. We've got to hurry up, get the people out of there. For treatment, we also need to be sure that our medical people understand the injuries that can occur from a bomb, such as the shockwave. In Hollywood, when a bomb blows up, people hit the ground, they stand up and go back to work. That's not the case here. Our patients who may not look like patients right away after the shockwave hits them, in a short amount of time will start having serious internal injuries and other things that will start occurring. We have to make sure we're trained up on how to handle these incidents, even if they don't look as severe right away, thinking about the future. Bill Godfrey: You think it's something, the pulmonary injury from the overpressure wave, those kinds of issues? Tom Billington: Right.Billy Perry: Absolutely.Tom Billington: Right. Billy Perry: The traumatic brain injuries that you don't see that manifest themselves over time. Bill Godfrey: Yeah. I was taught the rule of thumb was, if somebody is close enough to a blast that they got knocked down, got their breath knocked out of them or had any indication of fluid out of the eyes, nose or ears, that was an automatic trip to the ER to get screened even if they said they were okay. Billy, is that still consistent with training that you're getting now? Billy Perry: Absolutely. Just a couple of pounds of overpressure are really detrimental health-wise. Distance, let's talk about distance. One of things about explosives is a foot, one foot between, let's say just as arbitrary numbers, ten feet could be injury and eleven feet be absolutely unscathed, depending on the explosive that goes off. You could be ten feet away and actually have a minor injury, eleven feet, you're completely unscathed. It's just that. Distance is your friend, but you're not going to outrun it. That's another one of the things.Bill Godfrey: You're not going to dive in the bathtub and get away from it.Billy Perry: You're not going to dive in the bathtub from the toilet and get away with it. Not going to happen because you're not going to move it 20,000 feet per second, which it is for a high explosive, so you've got to be cognizant of that. What I was going to talk to you about too about the bomb, about not changing the environment, we're not going to touch them. Never, ever, ever touch a bomb. Never, ever, ever, ever, never touch a bomb. As a result of that, keeping in continuity with tactics, we don't ever, ever, ever touch a bomber because a bomber is bomb. With that said, we have to emphasize, "You don't handcuff them. You don't touch them." We're going to end up undressing them probably with a robot and a razor knife. Bill Godfrey: The implications then on the medical side is, we don't touch them either? Billy Perry: No. Not at all. Nobody touches them. Like I said, even to include handcuffing. If they don't do exactly what we say, and this is something that individual officers and this is a scary and a new event that we have to discuss, but you need to, agencies need to clear it with their local prosecutors. We have to have an agreement. We've done that in the fourth judicial circuit where we understand that they're not going to be handcuffed and if you don't, if you're an actual bomber, if you been an active bomber, if you don't obey voice commands, you're going to get shot. Bill Godfrey: That's serious business.Billy Perry: Very serious business.Bill Godfrey: Serious business. Tom, anything else on the medical side that you wanted to ask Billy or bring up on this? Tom Billington: No, just that, again, as we have said through most of other podcasts, we have to talk about these things face to face with the people we are responding with before it ever occurs. That's the most important part, knowing what to do. We don't want to react. We want to act. We want to know how we're supposed to act beforehand. That's the most important lesson I can bring from this.Bill Godfrey: Yeah. I think the other piece of this, for me on the medical side, we're teaching and preaching it's warm zone. It's warm zone EMS care. We don't deliberately go into a hot zone or purposely go into a hot zone. The problem here with bombs, IEDs is that suddenly gets a little bit of a gray area, because now, by definition, it's not a warm zone. It is a hot zone, a direct threat environment, but if it's medical-related problem, that is supposed to be our domain on the medical side and probably need to have some conversation about that ahead of time. I don't think that's a discussion you want to get into at a scene about who is going to go in and get the patients. Is it going to be law enforcement? Billy Perry: It's definitely too late at that point, right. Bill Godfrey: Is it going to be fire, EMS? Who is going to go do it and whose responsibility is it going to be? The other sobering consideration is, if you have a significant number of patients that need to be moved and rescued, that is not going to get done by three or four medics and police officers. That's going to take a lot of people. As fast as we want to move, you could commit 10 people to move 30 and it's going to take a long time. . Billy Perry: Sure.Bill Godfrey: Or, you could commit 100 people to move 30 and it'll go pretty quickly, but you've got a large number exposed. Billy Perry: Right. You've exposed 100 people.Bill Godfrey: Yeah, so which is better? I don't know that there is really a right or wrong answer to that. It's going to have to be a judgment call based on the environment. Before we leave this topic, Billy, I've got to bring up the age-old one. Tom, this is going to make you laugh because I know you and I have been hearing this since we were both young guys riding on the back step. Radios around a bomb. Billy Perry: The mythical radio. Bill Godfrey: The mythical ... Debunk this one for us a little bit. Billy Perry: Absolutely. Would be happy to. It is something that is still prevalent in every operational order that I know of across the country and it's still one of those things. Bill Godfrey: Including our checklist.Billy Perry: Including our checklist. Honestly, it's one of those things that we just have to really understand modern information. You and I talked about it a year ago or a little over a year ago and you did research and found, as did I, that the only one we could find, we think it was like 40 years ago in a construction side. Modern data radios transmit data packets. They don't have the high wattage outputs for a sustained period of time that the old ones did. That's the only one that we can find of it. Again, we were schooled on it by the military. I was actually in a bomb suit doing an exercise and they said, "What are you talking to the command post back with?" I said, "The radio." It hit me. It's the exact same radio in the pocket of my sleeve of my bomb suit, my 92-pound bomb suit that we use in patrol. It's no difference. I'm leading over said device, pushing the button in the center of my chest telling everybody what I'm looking at. It's one of those ephiphanal moments when you realize, this is why I said earlier, "I'm not smart." I have empirical data to back that up, but it is. We still want you limit it in the event, whatever and don't put your antenna on a device again, in keeping with the "don't touch it mentality" and [inaudible 00:25:55] a bunch of times, say, "Yep, it's not going off." Just maintain respect of it, but it's not the "Oh my gosh, it's the doomsday event that we've always thought it was."Bill Godfrey: So, some common sense. Billy Perry: Some common sense. Can't hurt, might help, but honestly, if you've got something you need to say, say it.Bill Godfrey: We want to get air gaps. We want to get around a corner anyways, so hold your transmission til you get to your cover and then put it out. Billy Perry: Right. Put it out. The 300 foot, whatever, be cognizant of your standoff distances and look at how far those really are. That's big. Again, never, ever touch a bomb. Those are our takeaways. Don't touch the bomb. I'm not saying that we're going to execute a bomber, but I am saying we are not going to negotiate with one. Bill Godfrey: Okay. Well put. Never touch a bomb. Billy Perry: Never touch a bomb. Bill Godfrey: Never touch a bomb and don't touch it with your radio or [crosstalk 00:26:49] Billy Perry: Don't look at it.Bill Godfrey: [crosstalk 00:26:51] Billy Perry: Don't fold it, spindle it, mutilate it. Don't mess with it. Don't move it. Don't change the environment, like I said. Just use you common sense. It's a weapon. It is a firearm that fires at 540 degrees and does not miss. A bomber is a bomb and we're not going to touch a bomb. We're not going to touch a bomber. Bill Godfrey: Thank you very much. I think that's a good place to leave it for today and wrap this one up. Billy Perry: Thank you.Bill Godfrey: Tom, thanks for coming in. Tom Billington: Thank you. Bill Godfrey: Billy, thank you very much. Billy Perry: Thank you so much.Bill Godfrey: Appreciate you guys being here. Original Source: https://www.c3pathways.com/podcast/improvised-explosive-devices

Episode 06: What Makes Managing an Active Shooter Event Different? Discussion of what makes managing Active Shooter Events different from other types of incidents Bill Godfrey: Hello, and welcome to the discussion this afternoon. Today we are going to talk about what makes managing active shooter events different from all of the other types of incidents that responders go to. Today, we have with us Adam Pendley, assistant chief with Jacksonville sheriff's office, Travis Cox, lieutenant with Jacksonville sheriff's office, Tom Billington, retired fire chief, and I'm Bill Godfrey, also retired fire chief. Our topic today, Adam, what do you think sticks out in your mind, makes things different? Adam Pendley: Well, I think it's a great number of resources that respond very quickly in an active shooter event. While that makes it different than a lot of other types of incidents that you would use, let's say, the Incident Command System to manage, an active shooter event is also the same in the sense that it's very important to focus on the fact that the Incident Command System allows you to build operations quickly from the ground up. It's different than a lot of your day to day incidents in the sense that there's so many resources across the country that have trained to respond to an active shooter event and so many of them are going to arrive so quickly. What can be the same is that you can still use many of the concepts of the Incident Command System if you remember that truly the Incident Command System is designed to build operations from the ground up for an unplanned event and get them in a manageable span of control quickly, set up a Unity of Command quickly, and start acting proactively in a management by objective sort of way to accomplish certain tasks and certain things that need to get done right away on an active shooter event. Bill Godfrey: Travis, what about you? What sticks out in your mind? What makes managing an active shooter event different from all the other stuff you've responded to? Travis Cox: Well, there's a couple things that come to mind when you talk about an active shooter event. One of the things is that you're going to have resources like Adam said. You're going to have a lot of resources, not only responding, but they're going to be self-dispatching or they're going to be responding without being sent by a dispatcher. They're going to be self-deploying to this incident and we want them to self-deploy, because we're going to need the resources. But that's something that's different, that doesn't normally happen on the day to day basis. Secondly, you're going to have resources from other agencies that may not normally respond to things in your jurisdiction, but because of the nature of the incident, you may have other police departments, sheriff's office, neighboring counties, other municipalities within your county responding to this incident. You may have airport police. You may have campus police, school board police. You may have a number of different agencies responding to one incident. You have to figure out your interoperability. You have to figure out the different tactics that you may have been trained on to make sure that everybody's functioning off the same page of music. That's one of the things that has to be done. The second thing that comes to mind is in an active shooter event, you have a crime scene. You may also have a Hot Zone where there's still danger there. So you may get a person that has to assume command of that scene without being involved in that scene or not being able to see the scene, so they have to rely on the information that they're given from the officers that are actually inside the crisis site and manning the information they're given via radio or via some other avenue besides being able to be seeing it from ground zero level. So those are the one big things that I see. Bill Godfrey: So Tom, we got a couple of interesting perspectives from the law enforcement guys. You and I are on the fire side. What jumps out at you as the big differences from the fire side of an active shooter? Tom Billington: Well, the big difference is, our leadership needs to let control go. You need to make sure you have key people in right positions. They're going to be down, down on the scene in the Warm Area and you have to let them do their jobs. You cannot run this scene from a command post. Most firefighters, that's the way we think. As a battalion chief or a deputy chief, we think about going to the command post and monitoring everything and giving out orders or direction. This is a case where you have to let your people on scene do their jobs. We're fighting the clock. Usually by the time we get in there, hopefully our law enforcement brothers have neutralized the threat and we're going against the clock. Seconds count. It's a little bit different. It's like you said. It's bottom up instead of top down, letting these folks get these patients treated, transported, and to a surgeon as soon as possible. Bill Godfrey: You know, that's exactly what jumps out at me, too, on the fire side is that traditionally, and I'm not sure I ever really realized this when I was still working active duty. But the fire service, the way we managed scenes, it's a very top down driven approach. The first company officer arrives and he might be in command for a couple of minutes and then the battalion chief takes over and they're in charge and they're directing everything from the top down, not just at the strategic level, but in some cases, they're directing tactics. They're directing which door the hose line's going to go to, which side of the building we're going to vent, the window, the roof, whatever the case may be, where we're going to ladder up. It's a very top down driven approach where the incident commander in many cases is directing the resources in a very flat level. So there's no layers. You don't have a bunch of branches and divisions and groups in most of these things. They're directing those Tactical operations. What really caught my attention about the active shooter events, is that that gets us into trouble real quick because we don't see the lay of the land, if you will, to be able to know the right tactics to call out, where the teams should be exactly, what rooms they should operate in. Where's the best place to set a Casualty Collection Point? Where's the best place for the ambulances to go? It would be in, to me, it's kind of the analogy of trying to run a fire the way we normally run the fire, but doing it from two miles away without ever being able to see the building or seeing what's going on. What's different here to me for the fire service, is that we've gotta reverse that process. We have to push the resources Downrange and then let those resources tell us what they need and where they think these things need to go and what needs to happen. We're pushing the resources to them. We're giving them what they need and supporting them in that role more so than telling them how they're going to do it. They're going to tell us how they're going to do it and we've gotta support that to the degree that we can and make that happen. Of course, coming back over to the law enforcement side, sometimes there are issues that come up where the guys Downrange may want to do something that Command or Tactical may say, "That's not a good idea." Right? Am I saying that right, Adam? Is that how you'd put it? Adam Pendley: Absolutely. I think a lot of stuff is already happening from the law enforcement side by the time fire EMS takes the medical branch role and starts organizing their resources. For example, if all goes well, Contact Teams have started to call injury counts out to their Tactical group supervisor, who is hopefully now working with Triage and eventually a Transport officer as the eyes and ears that are Downrange. What's interesting about this, when you talk about the reversals of what we're used to, if we go to a large structure fire as law enforcement, we have no problem believing that the fire department has Incident Command and we're really just the law enforcement branch being directed by the fire department to say, "Hey, we need a unit on the end of this street to protect our five-inch line. We need a unit over here to keep people from coming Downrange, and also we believe there's some Hazmat involved, so people need to stay upwind." From a law enforcement perspective, we have no problem understanding that we work for the Incident Commander that's the fire department on a large structure fire. For active shooter events, it's actually kind of the reverse. Law enforcement is in command early on and as the fire EMS supervisor arrives, they request the medical branch, and they take direction from law enforcement. They say, "Hey, we have a Casualty Collection Point established at this location. We believe it's safe to go in this location. This area has been established as Warm Zone." And hopefully, as the culture changes, the fire EMS supervisor can understand okay, we're going to take that from Incident Command and we're going to make that work and we're going to use them as the eyes and ears and we're going to trust the people that are already Downrange, that are already accomplishing tasks and we're going to fill in and start doing the lifesaving that needs to happen based on that information. Bill Godfrey: Travis, what do you think? Travis Cox: Yeah, that's a great point, Adam. I just feel like this. The bottom line for us here as First Responders on the fire service and the police side, if we're going to save lives, we have to bring our two disciplines together and we have to work together. Communication is vital. There is no way we're going to be as successful as we can be if we're not communicating. Regardless of what patch is on someone's sleeve at these type of incidents, we have to be able to communicate, work together, work in unison to save lives. Because once the shooting stops, we have ... You always hear the cliché, stop the killing, stop the dying. In order to stop the dying, to get the medical services to those folks that need it as quick as possible, we have to have good communication from those that are Downrange, those that are working in the Warm Zone, and those that are in the Command Post. All three of those different entities have to work together, communicate well, effectively, directly, and ensure that information is flowing back and forth up and down the chain of command so we can be successful as responders to save lives. Bill Godfrey: Tom, what's your thoughts on this? We've kind of come full-scale. You and I are both in agreement that we certainly need to shift gears on the fire side and not try to drive it from the top down. But Travis is talking about the integration up and down the food chain. What jumps out at you about that that's maybe different than the way we used to do it 15 years ago or maybe even what most of us expected? What sticks out to you as the important pieces of the integration? Tom Billington: Well, I like what Travis said. It doesn't matter what patch you have on your arm. We can help each other out. When we have people bleeding and the threat has been neutralized, getting the law enforcement officers to help with the medical part, like Travis said, very important. And vice versa. If law enforcement needs some assistance with something, radio traffic, delegation of some tasks, if there's fire personnel available, we should be able to provide that to the law enforcement. But the big thing is, we do not want to wait to be on an active shooter to figure this stuff out. This is the stuff that we need to talk about beforehand. We need to train beforehand and work through these issues. Again, I like the patch idea because we're all one team when we get there and we're fighting that clock. So very good points, Travis. Bill Godfrey: What jumps out at me from, and it feels like an eternity ago, but not that long ago we were looking at this a little different. We were trying to integrate really just in the Command Post, relying on Unified Command alone to be the integration piece between our disciplines and we found out, all of us, kind of found out the hard way that while you can make that work, it is not very fast. It's prone to some of the very mistakes and errors that we were talking about of driving things from the top down and forcing some bad Tactical decisions Downrange. What really jumps out to me is the level of integration that it really takes in order to take time off the clock. We always talk about the two things that are going to kill people is the bad guy and the clock. We can put the bad guy down quick, but if we don't get to people and get medical care going, the clock is going to kill them just the same as if we'd left the bad guy up still shooting people. What really struck me, going through this evolution over the years, is the need to integrate really all up and down the food chain, even at the line level. That rescue task force really only works because you've got the law enforcement and the medical guys now in the same team. The law enforcement guys are communicating with Tactical to stay in tune to the picture that's going on and make sure we don't end up bringing the medics into the wrong place and getting them into a Hot Zone when we didn't want to. The medical side, communicating back with Triage, they're all there working face to face Downrange, but they're back-hauling that information up to Tactical Triage, who are then comparing their bigger picture notes because they might be managing multiple contact teams, multiple rescue task forces, and then above them, we've got the integration in the Command Post between medical branch and law enforcement branch. Travis, how does that strike you? What do you see is the critical importance in that integration? Travis Cox: Well, that is key like you said, Bill. We have to be able to work together on all levels up and down the chain of command. For law enforcement and our rescue task forces, with our medical folks, when we go into these crisis sites, we have to be able to work together. We have to communicate. We have a built-in redundancy in our communications when we have the two entities working together. Again, it's all about saving lives. At the end of the day, it's about what can we do to work better, work faster in order to save lives of the citizens that live in our jurisdictions. Adam Pendley: And to add to what Travis is saying, I think the way that happens is again, those first arriving units start forming teams that have a specific task and purpose, if they stay in their lane. On the law enforcement side, you have a Tactical group supervisor that starts applying the strategy. On the fire EMS side, you have a Triage group supervisor that comes down shoulder to shoulder and works at the edge of the Warm Zone to do that actual lifesaving. There are so many other types of resources, so many other officials, elected officials, and other things that are coming, the job of Command where it's different from a lot of your day to day incidents, the job of Command is to now look outward. There are lots of pressures coming from the community from reunification, additional information, the public information side. The Incident Command takes on a new role of having to not only oversee the lifesaving that's happening into the Tactical Triage and Transport level just to ensure that they're hearing certain benchmarks are happening at that level, but also to look outward to constantly think about the things that are going to happen next. Even if your scene is 100% under control, the bad actor or the suspect came from a location. He arrived in a vehicle. There's hospitals that have to be managed. There's a lot of other things that happen. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury for every resource that comes to the scene to all focus on one task of, let's say, that threat that's Downrange. There are too many jobs that need to be done that if you don't parse those out to different teams with a different task and a different span of control, you're going to lose control of your incident right from the start. Bill Godfrey: Yeah, Adam, I couldn't agree with you more. I think you mentioned two things there, the layers of Command, and then the idea of staying in your lane. Really, the structure and the approach we use, what's interesting to me is that a lot of responders that I talk with, they see managing an active shooter event as really kind of the piece of it that's at the Tactical Triage and Transport level, just managing that Downrange piece when there's actually a lot higher level to it. We need the layers to be able to keep our arms around it with Tactical Triage and Transport staying in their lane, doing what they're supposed to do and then Command Post, medical branch, law enforcement branch staying in their lane. Tom, do you see it same way? What are your thoughts about that responsibility of staying in your lane and the consequences of when we drift off a little? Tom Billington: Well, staying in your lane's a good analogy. If you have five lanes of traffic and somebody pops in another lane, everything's going to turn into a disaster. Actually, I think on the C3 website, C3 Pathways website, the checklist is available. The checklist, active shooter checklist, is a great tool for staying in your lane. It lays out the responsibilities for each position. You go right down the list, make sure you're doing everything you need to do. As I said earlier, we want to help each other out, but we want to make sure we're doing our function and staying in that lane. When you do that, you're going to beat that clock. We're running against that clock all the time. So very important point that you made about staying in the lane. Bill Godfrey: Yeah, that does really sum it up. It is about not just getting the bad guy, but beating that clock to save lives. We're coming up on the end of our time. You guys have anything else you want to add on this subject? Any other thoughts, Tom? Travis? Travis Cox: I'll just say one thing. Integration and working together, the two different disciplines, does not happen automatically. This is something that you have to train, you have to utilize on maybe smaller events to get comfortable with working with the fire service or working with law enforcement. Then if this incident does happen in your jurisdiction, you're just that much better prepared for it. Bill Godfrey: Oh yeah. That's absolutely true. In fact, Travis, why don't you tell everybody who's listening about what you guys did in Jacksonville with your special events and using that as an opportunity to socialize the rescue task force concept and put people together. Travis Cox: Sure. We have several large special events that happen in Jacksonville every year. As we prepare for those events, one of the things that we do is we stand up an Incident Management Team to manage those events. But we pair our law enforcement and our fire service together and we develop rescue task forces for those large events. Whether it's a large football game, whether it's a professional game or a college game, we put those responders together so they get used to working, law enforcement and fire service together, and they're working to handle incidents, those small incidents, that one person down, or that small fight they may be to break up on these smaller incidents to get that experience of working together as a rescue task force. Bill Godfrey: Which I just think is a fantastic program. I don't know anybody else that did that. Every chance I get, I tell people about that because I just thought it was such a fantastic way to normalize that role and begin to build those relationships. Adam, any final words? Adam Pendley: No, again, I couldn't agree more that this idea of, not only for the special events, which often are planned from the top down, you have that luxury in a special event to put all the pieces in place. But the other way you can practice this is on the slower-moving, unplanned events. If you have a ... law enforcement has come across a meth lab or has come across a suspicious device, use that opportunity to build teams and as the layers are added, integrate law enforcement and fire to establish teams, ready response teams and even rescue task forces, so if something happens at that incident, you have those things ready. Or even on missing person events. So you have unplanned incidents that move slow enough that you can practice some of these same concepts so again, when the high stress, fast speed event happens, you're already, like you said, you've already normalized those relationships and those team assignments and building your operations from the ground up using these same concepts. Bill Godfrey: I think that's a great idea. Well, this has been a fabulous discussion. I've really enjoyed it this afternoon. Gentlemen, thank you very much for taking the time. Look forward to the next one. Tom Billington: Thank you. Original Source: https://www.c3pathways.com/podcast/difference-of-managing-active-shooter-event

Ep #35 All Hazards Disaster Response – @NAEMT_ Beta Course #AHDR All Disasters are Local.  First responders, regardless of the type of incident, need to be prepared to respond to mass casualty events and disasters of varying types with changing conditions and hazards.  While the FEMA Incident Command Courses offer a primer on organizational structure of a response as well as insight into general operations at events, there is no course specifically aimed at prehospital providers which simultaneously codifies the medical knowledge required to care for critically ill and injured patients at a multitude of events.  More so, this course targets boots on the ground providers from EMTs, Paramedics as well as EMS Response & Rescue physicians and provides the necessary skills, knowledge and insight to integrate seamlessly within the overarching ICS framework from the bottom up.  This course focuses on the initial response to a wide range of possible events and is designed to scale perfectly to your operational area with topics including Structural Fires, Radiologic Events, Natural Disasters and critical Infrastructure Failure, Transportation events, Infectious Disease Outbreaks and of course Active Shooter Events.  There are a bevy of well honed exercised, drills and tabletops to keep the pace of the 8hr day brisk and engaging. It was a sincere pleasure to lead a distinguished group of authors in developing this new course which we Beta’d for the very first time in New Orleans at #EMSWorldExpo16.  The official debut will be at @EMSTODAY conference in Salt Lake City Utah as a preconference on February 22nd 2017.  Hope to see you all there!   Brad Newbury, MPA NRP @nmetc0911 Sean Britton NRP @SeanBritton Craig Manifold, MD @DrCraigManifold   http://www.naemt.org/ We hope to add the #AHDR course to the suite of Prehospital Trauma courses including PHTLS, TCCC & TECC and encourage all instructors for this course to keep an eye out for the online training module which will allow you to become an instructor for AHDR!   Sponsored by the @PerfectCPR app Designed to provide High Quality CPR Feedback Apple Watch App with Audio and Haptic Feedback to Optimize Cardiac Arrest Training and Improve Quality of CPR Delivery PerfectCPR.com     Message us on Twitter! www.twitter.com/EMS_Nation Like us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/prehospitalnation   Wishing everyone a safe tour! ~Faizan H. Arshad, MD @emscritcare www.emsnation.org  

An interview with Dr. Alexander Eastman, the Trauma Medical Director at Parkland Memorial Hospital and a current law enforcement officer with the Dallas Police Department, and Dr. Imad Haque, an active duty Army surgeon and the Director of Simulation Training at Madigan Army Medical Center. These two nationally recognized experts discuss what to expect in active shooter scenarios, how to respond, and most importantly how to prepare yourself and your facility through the use of realistic and well-planned simulation training. The interview concludes with a discussion of the rationale and recommendations from the Hartford Consensus Conferences. Supplementary Materials:Active shooter slide presentation from Dr. EastmanDHS Active Shooter Pocket CardHartford Consensus Conference 1Hartford Consensus Conference 2