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Today I chat about how I am reapproaching my goals and my thought process for 2022. DISCLAIMER Colorful words may be used. don't be alarmed. NEWSLETTER https://view.flodesk.com/pages/61525a85337f1c2aacf52f6d Etsy Shop is open! https://www.etsy.com/shop/CGBPrints FIND ME ON ALL THE THINGS Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/cindyguentertbaldo YouTube - https://youtube.com/c/CindyGuentertBaldo Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/llamaletters/ Discord - https://discord.gg/Rwpp7Ww Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/llamaletters/ Website - www.cindyguentertbaldo.com STUFF I MENTIONED Inquiries - cindy@cindyguentertbaldo.com   TRANSCRIPTION Well, hi, everybody. Welcome back to the uncurated life podcast. It is one of my favorite times of year, the, uh, the new year, because even though the holidays and I have a very complicated relationship, the, the start of a new year is always exciting, both because I love paper planners and it's like the paper planner Olympics.   And also because it's just it's, it feels like a fresh start. Lots of birthdays in my family, everything else. So one of the things I do love to talk about this time of years is goal setting. And while I won't be going deep into my personal goals or my work goals on this podcast, if you'd like to see more about that, you can check out my YouTube channel.   Those videos will be coming out. They probably, most of them are out already at this point, by the time I'm recording this, I've still in the middle of setting them. So. Uh, let's just say that, uh, this is past Cindy telling future Cindy to get your shit together. The point is, if you want to see those check out my YouTube channel.   In the meantime though, one of the things I want to talk about is how I'm thinking about my goals this year, because I'm trying really hard to really reframe the way I am looking at them. And before. I get into it though. I also want to give you a reminder that if you have not joined my newsletter yet now is a great time because the first Monday in January, I will be putting out a little printable.   You can use to display your word of the year and I'm excited about it. So you can find the link for that in the description below yada yada, yada, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, marketing, marketing, marketing. Let's get going on this. One of the things I'm doing this year is really rethinking my relationship with goal-setting because in some ways it was starting to feel a little rote and in some ways I think it was starting to feel a little less effective for me.   Part of it is because I think. Uh, there's a big theme in my life of setting better boundaries around my work and my personal life. And that includes with goal setting. So I'm separating them. Part of it is I think that my shit was starting to turn into a to-do list instead of really having like something that was meant to be fulfilling for me.   I just, I feel like I needed to sit and reassess not only the goals I would be setting for this next year. The reasons for, and the method behind why I'm doing it in the first place. And one of the things I wanted to do was talk through this with you here on the podcast, just in case you find any of it helpful.   That's kind of, one of the reasons I like making this podcast is by getting my thoughts out there because a lot of the times that's what this is. I'm sort of rambling my thoughts at you rather than. Giving you like some sort of like a curriculum or whatever. Sometimes it can be helpful. I know sometimes it's not, but in this case, I'm hoping that at least some of you get something out of this and I'm hoping I do too.   So if you're, like I said, if you're interested in the nuts and bolts of my goal setting for next year, the planners I'm using the process, et cetera, just check out my YouTube channel. You'll get all of that there because we are balls deep in 2022 prep over on my YouTube channel when it comes to goal setting.   The first thing that came to my mind when I was really trying to assess how and why and everything like that, the whole way this was going to go in this next year was why am I even bothering. Why am I doing this? What is it that I want out of these goals? Like what is the purpose? I have limited time.   And as I've said, multiple times, I'm having a lot of trouble setting boundaries around my time and deciding how I'm going to spend my time. And so if I'm going to devote a large amount of my time to setting some goals now, What is the purpose of it? Why do I want to do it? Am I doing it because I think I have to, am I doing it for the gram?   Am I approaching all of my goals in the same way? Or should I reassess how I'm looking at them and how some of them might be different from. Others like, and some of this may be obvious to you, but to me, it, actually, I had to sit and really think about this for a few minutes, because like I said, sometimes it feels a little wrote to me and I noticed, and I think I mentioned this in a recent power sheets video, but like even when it came to setting my goals and trying to separate work and personal goals, My personal goals did not go very well unless they had some aspect of them connected to my work.   So it seems like trying to do things for myself, have really just been pushed to the side. So if I want to do this and I could tell that I really want to, because I want to reclaim some of my personal energy back and my personal time back. And I guess that is why. But how do I do that in a way where I can respect the time I need for the different aspects of my life.   So I need to improve upon this is basically what I'm coming out of this with, because I came out of this, knowing that I really want. To both progress in my, my work life, progressing my career progress in the income I bring in progress in the skills that I acquire progress in the, both the depth and the breadth of the things that I do freelance wise.   Expand my community, all those things for work, but that I also want to restore some sort of harmony in my personal life, knowing that I have health issues and that I have kids with mental and physical health issues, knowing that there's a lot going on and that my time and my strength and my energy are so limited, but being able to bring some more of that peace and some more of that.   Into my personal life without exhausting myself. That's a very tricky balance to find, but it's an, and I'm definitely going to want to strive towards this next year. And I think in order to do that, when I set sort of the foundation of it by goal setting, I need to be extremely clear that I want both of these things, but that in order for them both to happen, there needs to be some give and take.   No, I love me some woo woo. As much as I hate to admit it, like I may just about it. I may joke about the woo, but I also have a certain level of the Wu that I, I enjoy. Right. But what I have discovered in this last year, especially in the last like chunk of the year, and I've talked about this in multiple goals, videos is that.   I, I tend to lean too far into the Wu when it comes to work goal setting, it makes it real easy for me to set some squishy touchy-feely goals when it comes to work setting. When goal setting, when what I also really need to do is be thinking about revenue goals to be thinking about like KPIs. I don't even know what KPI stands for.   I just know that it's like the thing that my husband talks about with like, these are the things. You measure when you're seeing how your performances, so that kind of shit, as much as I don't tend to think that way in order for me to progress as someone who is working as a freelancer and bringing in multiple streams of revenue from different aspects of being self-employed, I need to really.   I need to like step aside from some of the woo, keep some of the woo cause that's who I am, but also bring in some of the more concrete, analytical shit. And that's, that's something I really need to focus on in this next year.   It's important to me when I say, why am I setting goals when it comes to work that I need to both. Have concrete things to work towards with measurable results to prove the value of what I'm doing to myself. So I can make some steps, but I also need to still continue to work with my gut and go with my intuition and what feels right.   Because that's what I've done thus far. And I, I really, that's a big part of who I am. So. Work-wise I think I'm kind of moving in that direction, but with home stuff, I need to be in the opposite direction. I feel like all I've been doing for personal life goals saying is just making a to-do list and calling them goals.   I because of that, it feels just like, it's just another thing I need to check off my list. And what I really think I need to do is hone in on the areas of my life that need more attention, more fulfillment, and think about ways to elevate that and elevate those areas of my life rather than worrying so much about checking all this shit off of a list.   So it's almost like I need to go in complete opposite directions with both my work and my personal. And really, really, uh, really hone in on that. So I kind of sat down to think about like, okay, well, if I've kind of come up with sort of the overall picture of how I need to reassess my goals for this next year, How do I, how do I really, how do I really work my way through to decide what planner to use, how to decide, how to set my goals and all of those other things.   And I, I kind of came back to the old grammar, the old grammar situation from elementary school, right? The who, what, when, where that situation. So think about it this way. If you're thinking about your goals and this is the thing I'm going to be doing, what am I working towards? What am I working towards and why is it important?   And once you answer those questions, then you could say, well, how am I going to get there? When, once you know how you're going to get there, you start coming up with ideas of how then when are you going to work on those things? Where are you going to fit them into your life? And then where are you tracking them?   It seems super simple. But I swear as a planner person and I can't speak for any of you, but if you agree with me, make sure to post this in your stories and tag me at Lama letters so I can see it and respond to it. But as a planner person, I think the first thing I think about is where I'm going to be tracking all of those things.   That's the question? What planner am I Kenny's where am I going to be working on tracking these things instead of. The other way around in reality, the, where you're going to be tracking things probably should come last because it's not the place you're tracking them in. That's the most important, it's why you're doing it in the first place and why it's important to you.   That's the big thing I'm struggling with right now. And I'm kind of working my way through. I will also add the final kind of aspect to all of this when it comes to reassessing. How I kind of work on my goals is that I really don't like the phrasing work on my goals. I don't like the idea of, well, I need to set aside time to work on my goals because what I think.   Is going to be important to me in this next year, especially personal goals wise. My S my non-work-related stuff is that it needs to be holistic. There's the woo in my life. It needs to be part of my life. I don't want to just set aside time to work on my goals. I want it to be integrated into the time I spend every day that it's not a question of like blocking off time to work on my goals every day, but that it just becomes part of my daily life.   I don't know how that's going to work. I don't know if that's possible, but the idea of like quote, working on my goals has really led me to that path of a to-do list of things I want to check off. Whereas I would really like to see it more as how do I take these things? I say I want and really integrate them and elevate them in my life as a whole so that they just feel natural and part of my life, as opposed to something I'm trying to shoe horn.   Again, this may not be how it is for you, but for me this whole, this whole goal setting as to-do list situation is not. In my personal life for work, it actually has been helping me using a Kanban board to track projects to get me towards those measurable goals has really helped me solidify the way I am working.   And I am excited and I should have a review already up of the  system, which has helped me with that for work. And I'm going to continue to use it in the next year, but like personal goals wise, it turns my life into a series of, to do's on a list that need to be checked out. And I need it to be more than that.   I need it to have a higher purpose than that. Doesn't have to be a fancy, like religious, higher purpose, but it needs to be, I keep coming back to the word elevate, but that's kind of what it feels like. So that is how I am reassessing and reframing goals as a concept for 2020. I hope that this might've helped you a little bit.   I'm still a little confused by all the things I just said, but it's really something that is it's important to me this next year, because as I feel crappier and descend further into kidney failure, it's just a reminder that like our time is so limited. It's so finite and spending all of my time trying to be productive or trying to accomplish things.   It doesn't bring me joy the way that just feeling like my life has purpose does. And it's a, it's a subtle shift for me, but I think it's one that might serve me well in the next year. And it's something I hope to bring you along for the ride width. Now I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, that if you sign up for my newsletter, you're going to get a printable for.   To be able to print out and put your word of the year on it. However, if you are a patron, I'm going to be doing my annual word of the year lettering session in January. So if you are interested again, a principle, a PNG file that you can use to actually print out a hand lettered version of your word of the year.   Check out my page. www.patreon.com/cindyguentertbaldo. It's all linked in the description. My patrons are also the sponsors of all of my podcast episodes, and they're fucking amazing. And I cannot wait to hang out with them more in the upcoming year. Anyway, I hope that this was helpful for you. Please let me know if it was, and until next time, my friends peace out.

SPEAKERSJim du Bois, Kenny Blumenfeld Jim du Bois 00:00The greatest time of the year...period. This is Way Over Our Heads. It's a weather and climate podcast. I'm Jim du Bois. Kenny Blumenfeld's a climatologist. Kenny, hope you're doing well. We're celebrating all the wonderful weather we've had which segues perfectly into what we're going to talk about today. So, if you are planning a wedding or any outdoor event, this is the time, isn't it? Kenny Blumenfeld 00:24Well, I mean, so here's the thing. It's a dice roll. Yeah, you're right, Jim, this period, it really centers on the last few days of September, and the first few days of October, it's more likely than any other time of year to be clear. And that, that's we're putting it up against even January when, you know, you get a lot of clear days. But those days are cold. Here in early autumn when it's clear, we get yeah, kind of crisp in the morning, but you can get nice, beautiful, you know, 60s and 70 degree days. And even as we've had this here, some 80s. It's a little bit, a little bit much for some people, but we know that Jim du Bois likes it hot. Jim du Bois 01:03Oh, yes. Kenny Blumenfeld 01:05And so the trick, of course, is that it doesn't mean that it's always clear, it's just more likely than any other time of year to be clear. So, you know, in this time of year, if you don't get that bright sunshine, things can kind of turn on you because we really are dependent on the sun to stay warm this time of year. But yeah, if you're just looking at clear days, and that's what you need. If you're a photographer, or someone looking for clear weather, this is definitely the time. If you're planning a big event, I think you have to weigh what are the risks of you know, and how much can I tolerate if, if it's cloudy and cool, and only in the 40s? Because that's possible too this time of year. But honestly, yeah, it's, it can be spectacular. And that's exactly what we've had, right on cue this year. Love it. Jim du Bois 01:59Well, it's October, when most people will hear this podcast, and is it safe to say, Kenny, for the very reasons you mentioned that September would be the sweet spot for, say, an outdoor wedding or some other ceremony where you'd be kind of rolling the dice a little bit more if you pushed it into October? Kenny Blumenfeld 02:18Yeah, I would say again, you know, late September, early October has that. I mean, here's the thing. There's a famous paper written by Don Baker, former university professor and a few colleagues. This was written almost 40 years ago now. Maybe it was a little over 40 years ago. But the idea is that this is a synchronized micro-season. I kind of made up that last term micro-season. But when I say it's synchronized, I mean, the entire region experiences the same peak in frequency of clear skies. And when they looked at it, atmospheric pressure tends to go up at that time. But when they looked even more deeply, so that, you know, high pressure, that usually means you got pretty nice, often clear weather. So that makes sense. But when they looked even more deeply, and they looked at some other studies, they realized that, well, there's a wet season in this entire region, and it tends to shut off right around September 20 or so. Now again, give or take, it can be later than that it can be earlier than that, you can always get surprised what events but they'd noticed that the wet season, the monsoon, the summertime sort of monsoon, a wet pattern, on average ends around September 20. That tends to coincide with when the photosynthesis in the plants starts to shut down. And so at that point, and just for those who don't remember, photosynthesis is just, you know, basically the sun activating living things and then kicking off some biophysical processes. And one of those includes evapo transpiration, which is how the plants share moisture, give moisture back to the atmosphere. And so Jim, when you have no more plant-sharing moisture, you tend to reduce the humidity, and that could be one of the reasons that we see an end to our rainy season. The whole point is this, is that it's a fairly narrow window. If you go too early in September, you got a good chance of it being kind of muggy, murky, cloudy, stormy, and if you go too far into October, you got a good chance of it being cold, dreary even and maybe get some snow. So, I would say if you're planning something the sweet spot would be right around now. Not a huge difference between late, very late September and very early October that way. I would just say again, it's not the most likely type of weather necessarily. It's just the most likely time of year to see clear weather. And I love it. Jim du Bois 04:52As do I Kenny. Well, the latest updated Drought Monitor is out. How do things look for Minnesota? Kenny Blumenfeld 05:01Ah, yeah, you know we've been doing well. The basic message over the last week was hold steady. We didn't make any big changes, we didn't see any big changes to the drought pattern in Minnesota. The conditions are worse in northern Minnesota. The entire northern third of the state is in severe drought, with pockets representing about almost a quarter of the state still getting that extreme level of drought. Now it's not the highest level. We did lose, going back last week, we actually had our exceptional drought, the highest level of drought taken off of the map, and that was a relief. But it doesn't mean that we're out of the woods at all. It just means that the really terrible drought conditions subsided a bit in response to some rainfall. I'd say the main message was that we got decent rains in August. September had enough hit and miss rains to kind of hold things at bay, although I think we're going to find that a lot of the state finishes the month below normal for precipitation again, and also above normal for temperatures. So, we are really hovering on the edge of a pretty big drought situation right now and should not count our chickens before they hatch. In fact, you know, this dry weather, if we don't get significant precipitation, this dry weather could cause some of the drought categories to deteriorate again, maybe not quite to the levels we saw this summer, but you can lose a lot of moisture in the fall as things are cooling off. But you know agriculturally, most of that damage is done, most of the damage to the sort of landscape level stuff, that's been done. We expect to kind of be in a holding pattern wherever we are, once we get into winter. We don't expect huge changes in the drought conditions unless we get a ton of precipitation which ,that's, we don't have much guidance telling us about that. But so all in all a general improvement since mid-August, in drought conditions. Jim du Bois 06:58Well Kenny, as we close out the working week, a lot of folks in Minnesota are going to be seeing some rain. And the temperatures will be, oh I would say moderating a bit but it sounds like next week, it's going to be pretty nice again with temperatures largely above average for this time of the year. Kenny Blumenfeld 07:16Yeah, that seems to be the way things are looking. Certainly Jim, you know, this is definitely a good time to get outside and do your outdoor tasks, and get some exercise. We don't have much smoke around. The air quality's good. The temperatures are for most people pretty comfortable. And the humidity is down. And also the sunlight is not particularly potent. I mean, it's always dangerous, and you can always get sunburn and skin damage from, from too much sun. But you know, we're not looking at nearly the intensity level of say a mid-June sun. So you know, actually the sun right now is about the same intensity as it is in early to mid-March. So, you can be outside fairly easily and comfortably. And it does look like the next week or so is going to be maybe not quite as warm as it's been. I think some of these 80s, they're going to go away but still 60s and 70s right into the next week. Jim du Bois 08:17Well Kenny, this is a shorter edition of Way Over Our Heads but we will reconvene next week and talk about the month of September. Kenny Blumenfeld 08:26Very good. Yeah, look forward to it. Thanks, Jim. Jim du Bois 08:28Always great talking to you, Kenny, and we'll talk to you soon. This is Way Over Our Heads. It's a weather and climate podcast. I'm Jim du Bois. Kenny Blumenfeld's a climatologist. We'll catch you next time.

Shannon is a 27 year old young adult who is from and lives in South Africa. She is a Christ-following emerging Nazarene leader who not only believes her generation and those younger are the church of tomorrow but that "tomorrow starts today" so they need to "step-up" and lead within the church now by being FAT: Faithful. Approachable. Teachable. (Her words;) I (Kenny) have began getting to know her because she has applied for Shepherd Community Center's (Indianapolis) year long urban ministry Fellowship in 2022. Her perspectives about young adults, ministry, leadership, mentoring, math, love for stuffed animals, and general enthusiasm are inspiring. #youngadultministrypodcast #youngadultministry #GenY #GenZ #Zgen #AlphaGen #nazarene #youngadultleadership # SouthAfrica #olifant #tomorrowstartstoday  Podcast: https://anchor.fm/yamcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/young_adult_ministry_podcast/ YouTube BONUS Content: https://youtu.be/jpXZi2vf8_c YAMcast Community Connections Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/NCYAMN Slack: https://join.slack.com/t/yamcast/shared_invite/zt-pb64h4fk-YoFE1L7Fuazw9N16b0qJ1w About the Organizer: Kenny Wade works with Shepherd Community Center as their Young Adult Connection Pastor (remote). While getting to know and encouraging the potential and current young adults a part of Shepherd's Fellowship & Intern initiatives he also networks with leaders across USA/Canada and the globe to bolster young adult ministry efforts and invitations to serve with Shepherd as interns, fellows, or short-term team opportunities. Instagram: @kdubbley --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/yamcast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/yamcast/support

I (Kenny) had a BLAST connecting with Canada Central District Nazarene NYI brothers and sisters on June 5, 2021 to share some thoughts on where to even begin with young adult ministry. This workshop is a heavily one-sided verbal processing info dump to initiate, engage, and/or self-evaluate the current young adult ministry conversation in each context by those participating. The assumption is not that those in the workshop do not have young adult ministry stuff going but that we are all on a continuum of ministry WITH young adults whom are connected to our church families directly or by proxy. The NOTES are below with some linked docs. BONUS Video Content: https://youtu.be/2MNTA0A_24w Canada Central District Assembly NYI Workshop: Ministry WITH Young Adults YA workshop - Kenny Wade / kennyw@shepherdcommunity.org — WHO Whose here? Churches/towns? Kdub intro / TCC connect What are you currently doing with/for young adults. With/for contrast - Sustainability/NDY Propose 3 Prepositions: To / For / With — WHAT What do you dream of doing WITH young adults. What are the obstacles you need to overcome? Sustainability - book How creative are you willing be ??? (not allowed;) How long are you willing to commit? What's it about? Where going? What are the Goals? Negative: Numbers? Fear? Control? Positive: Hospitality? Discipleship? Future? — WHERE Where to start: lowest common denom. Whose here??? (echo) Start with whom you have or discovering whom you have connection to or by creating a connection. What is one small action step your church can take this month to express hospitality with young adults? What's one small action step your District can take this quarter to invest -- Pathway / Docs: https://yamcast.slack.com/files/U01MLRR2WCD/F01PEAWJBC7/pathway__young_adults_in_cotn --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/yamcast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/yamcast/support

Literal Tuesdays: Behind Closed Doors This is our first episode of Literal Tuesdays, a weekly show where I (Kenny) get to reach deep down into my improv bag and tell you a story about a title of a book. Basically, I'm giving what I think the story is about based solely on its title, in the most literal of ways. Follow us on Litsy @thebookaddict and @kennethtolesjr Follow us on Instagram @imthebookaddict and @kennethtolesjr

This guest gets more TV face time than The Bachelorette. He has built up a big fan base among weather geeks and now Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel joins Bourbon Pursuit to talk about his career, braving crazy storms, and how weather patterns and global warming are affecting today’s bourbon stocks. We also get to hear a funny story shared by Jim and Fred as they were drilling barrels of whiskey together at Jack Daniels. This episode gives you a look into Jim’s everyday life and how bourbon became a part of it. Show Partners: Barrell Craft Spirits blends and bottles at cask strength just as nature intended. Find out more at BarrellBourbon.com. Receive $25 off your first order with code "Pursuit" at RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Show Notes: The Curation Desk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fSTu8zbAwM Chuck Cowdery’s Top Bourbon List https://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-best-bourbons-ever.html Pursuit Series Episodes 010 and 011 https://pursuitspirits.com/ This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about whiskey decanters. How did you get involved in weather? When did you start drinking whiskey? After you first started drink bourbon, what were you seeking out in the store or bar? What's the strangest thing anyone has said to you in public? Do you get annoyed that people associate you with disasters? Do you get a high being in bad weather? Do you ever get panicked in certain weather situations? When you celebrate a job well done, what do you drink? Tell us about your interest in cars. Was deflategate real? Can your joints hurt from weather changes? Does increased rain impact a microclimate? Waters are rising around distilleries. How will it impact the warehouses? Will the rain affect the white oak trees? Do you predict any climate shifts in the Kentucky area that could affect bourbon? Tell us about the time you picked out a barrel with Fred. How does humidity affect barrels? Jim Cantore Website/Social https://jimcantore.tv/ 0:00 You know, I think I get hit on more now that I look like this that I did when I had a full head of jet black hair. 0:08 What's your wife think about that? Honestly, I think it turns her on. 0:24 This is Episode 203 of bourbon pursuit. I'm one of your host, Kenny Coleman. And there really wasn't a whole lot of news that happened in the whiskey world from our major distilleries out there. So I figured let's look at some highlights of recent news articles and videos from the past week. Fred Minnick, you know him as another host on here, but he also has his own YouTube series called The curation desk. Sometimes it's about bourbon and rum reviews. Other times you get just good nuggets information. And this past week, he released a video on a very unusual topic. I'm not going to spoil it for you, but 1:00 involved in illegal activity that accounted for more American whiskey sales that then in turn led to the temperance movement in the mid 1800s. You're going to really enjoy this one, so make sure you go and check out the link in our show notes. friend of the show, Chuck cowdery came out with his list of his favorite Bourbons of all time. Only six top this list and most of them are unicorns. Very, very old Fitzgerald Parker's blend to mash bills. But there's a surprising one on there. And that's wild turkeys Kentucky spirit. Yes, the widely available and abundantly on the shelves Kentucky spirit. You can read all of his tasting notes plus the entire list within our show notes as well. You heard me talk about on the show two weeks ago, but we have now opened up our recent pursuit series bottlings to the public. Episode 10 is one we're super excited for. It's our collaboration with Finger Lakes distilling. It's a five year we did mash bill bottled as 2:00 barrel proof. And as much as to our knowledge, it is the only one in existence that's out there. It tastes like you're chewing on a piece of Juicy Fruit gum. So you're going to notice a subtle nod to that in our show notes. And this is priced at $65. Episode 11 is like a salted caramel coming in at 10 years from our Tennessee stock of bourbon, and it's priced at $75. The links to pick these up are in our show notes and you can read more about them at pursuit spirits.com. We've recently sold out of episode six and are running very low in episode seven. So don't sit around and wait for these. Today's guest gets more FaceTime than the bachelorette. He's built up a big fan base amongst weather geeks. And now Jim Cantore of the Weather Channel joins bourbon pursuit to talk about his career. braving those crazy storms you see in viral videos, and how weather patterns and global warming are starting to affect today's bourbon stocks. We also get the 3:00 funny stories shared by Jim and Fred as they were drilling barrels together at jack daniels. This episode gives you a look into Jim's everyday life and how bourbon became a part of it. As a side note, this was a very timely episode. This podcast talks about the current climate and how Jim predicted the current tornado outbreak that's affecting Oklahoma in the recent weeks. And our thoughts and prayers are with the families affected during this time. But with that, let's hear from our good friend Joe over at barrell bourbon. And then you've got Fred Minnick with above the char. 3:37 Hi, this is Joe from barrell bourbon. We blend and bottle a cast drink, just as nature intended. You can find it on the shelves at your nearest retail store. 3:47 I'm Fred Minnick. And this is above the char. I'll never forget this moment. I was in a room and cognac France with a bunch of spirits professionals. The fire was crackling. We were drinking some 4:00 Fresh cognac out of the barrel, and we started debating how cognac was marketing itself. We all had some type of criticism for how that they were pursuing new markets and we all love cognac and to this day, I love cognac. It's a wonderful branding. And one of my big criticisms was around Louie. Louie the 13th bottle. It's like 1500 to $5,000 in Las Vegas. It's a $15,000 bottle. And it's in this beautiful You know, Crystal decanter that really does look like it's fit for a king. But we don't know what's inside it. The cognac maker. You know, Remy Martin never really revealed what was inside the bottle. That was 10 years ago. And today we're starting to see that happen and bourbon. You're seeing these fancy fancy bottles come out nice decanters really crafted and just look or Nate and 5:00 Beautiful. Woodford Reserve just came out with one bad rap bottle. It's going for 1500 dollars. Now brown Forman is always transparent about what's inside the bottle. And they were transparent with this as well. But no one's really spending 1500 dollars to get the whiskey. It's for the decanter. And I To this day, think that those decanters, well nice and they're very decorative and they add a nice little element to to the home. I think they devalue the whiskey a little bit. Because when you are buying something for the bottle, you're not buying it for the whiskey. So there's got to be a happy medium. How do we get past this desire to attract the ultra rich without stabbing the regular guys in the eye? You know, I think there's got to be a happy medium, but how do we get there? Do we lessen the decanter do we put better whiskey in the bottle 6:00 I don't know. But I do know this. When I see a 1500 dollar decanter of American whiskey, it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. And I haven't even tasted the bourbon yet. And that's this week's above the charm. Hey, if you have an idea for above the char like someone did for this one, hit me up on Twitter or Instagram. That's at Fred Minnick. Again. That's at Fred Minnick. Until next week. Cheers. 6:27 Welcome back to the episode of bourbon pursuit, the official podcast of bourbon, Kenny and Fred here today talking about, you're talking to a person that's in a business that kind of affects a lot of what happens inside of bourbon in itself, because we talked about Kentucky bourbon, really making an impact and really how the climate here makes it happen as well. But you know, we're not going to talk about just that. We're in talking about the personality behind the person that's here today. And I know Fred has a pretty good 7:00 story in history about how we came to know our guest today as well. Yeah, that's that's right, Kenny. So we're joined today by the great Jim Cantore, of course, the man you don't necessarily want to see in your town because if he's there, that means bad weather is coming. And we were judges together on the jack daniels barbecue competition a couple years ago. And we really just kind of hit it off and just had, you know, we just started talking whiskey and weather and other things. And, you know, I've met a lot of lot of interesting people in my life. And you know, Jim's one of those people that just kind of stuck and I'd say we've remained friends and I get texts, three o'clock in the morning, one in particular whiskies any good. And he gets he gets texts for me about like, you know, should I take cover for this little raindrop coming down, you know, so 8:00 It's fun, Jim. It's really great to see you. Thanks for coming on bourbon pursuit. Absolutely, brother. Yeah, as I think I got a text me about 20 minutes ago saying, Are you ready to go? Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm ready to go man next Wednesday. Sounds good. We talked about five o'clock. I'm ready to go. Yes. Yeah. You know, actually, it's this Wednesday. 8:19 Traffic trying to get home and job I apologize for Fred. We're working on his calendar. We're here with it. 8:27 I haven't had time to go back and check to see if it really was next Wednesday or this Wednesday. 8:33 Or do that it's probably I do I research. There you go. 8:40 Well, I gotta tell you to Atlanta traffic. Geez. That's kind of like real traffic, unlike livable. You know, you guys get murdered there on the traffic. Awful. Yeah, you know, it's kind of interesting with all the movies and things now they do and in Atlanta, it's almost like 9:00 The movies has come to the LA traffic into Atlanta. It's really weird. But, you know, one of the mistakes they made years ago was not putting an outer loop in a city of 67 million people know, so not having that outer loop means you got all sorts of commerce coming down from North Carolina, up from Florida, you know, from westbound and Alabama into Georgia, and everything kind of hits in the middle on this little thing called the perimeter in Atlanta. And I mean, it's just incredible. And when you throw a little snow in the mix, who gets real fun? How do how do folks in Georgia handle the snow? 9:41 Well, 9:43 they all leave work at once, Fred, and I mean, I guess it's human nature at the end of the day, because people are like, all right, wow, it's snowing. It's here a little earlier than they told me it was going to be so I need to get on the road. I need to make sure I get home. But of course is there yet 10:00 On the road, so is everybody else. And and and so all that commerce is still coming through Atlanta, and it just locks up the whole system. We had we had Snowmageddon a few years ago here, and tonight spent like 2024 hours in their vehicles. 10:18 Just gridlock. I mean, I've seen news stories where people are like, uh, banning their cars on Atlanta's freeways as well. I mean, that's happened in the past. Well, they did. And, you know, I don't want to just say this is Atlanta is problem because I've seen it in Raleigh. I've seen it in Charlotte. I've seen it in Nashville. I've seen it in New York City. Okay, I mean, I've seen it in St. Louis, just recently. So, I mean, it's just, we have to have a better plan of when we shut down. I mean, you know how we are as humans, man, we want to push it to the edge. And then Okay, we can execute our plan. It doesn't always work that way. Sometimes you got to be early and take your listings. If the forecast doesn't verify, and I'd rather be on that end of it. 11:00 The end of it with, with mom picking up you know her daughter or son at the daycare or dad whoever's picking them up, and they're crying because now they can't get home. And there's no food in the car. There's nothing to back you up with so so those are the human stories, the human part of that, that that I hate to tell, but it happens. Well, let's let's get into like how you got to where you are. You are one of the most fascinating social media follows. For anybody who's interested in weather. Tell us how you got involved in weather where what was the moment that made you want to be a weatherman it was it was all my dad. 11:38 You know, we sat down at the dining room table. And he came up to me and he said, I was sitting down he was standing and he looked at me as someone you want to do for the rest of your life. I looked at I mean, I love electronics. electrician, a fireman. I mean, those are, that's what I'd like to do. He goes he goes look is you need you 12:00 You need to go study the weather. You're like a frequent snows Aren't you leave the barn light on, you wait for the first flakes. You go shovel the walkways your mom can get to work in the morning. You know, you got to wake up for the next 50 years of your life every day to go to work. You better love what you do. You love the weather, go study the weather. Boom, that was it. And that was that was before the weather channel right before? 12:26 Yeah, so he said that to me, in 82. And that's the interestingly enough, that was the birth year of cable. And a lot of it in Atlanta. Because of the, you know, the relatively mild weather with the exception of Snowmageddon, the fact that you needed, you know, 365 24 12:47 seven workforce, you know, low cost of living, I mean, all those things kind of played into cables roll. Certainly I think Atlanta certainly being the birthplace of cable but 13:01 Yeah, we I remember in 86 when I graduated four years later, and my brother came up to me, I was up on a scaffolding painting a building. I just graduated college and he goes, Hey, Jim, The Weather Channel wants to talk to you. And I'm like, oh, wow, The Weather Channel, because we had just gotten them on, on cable. So when I started, we were in 28 million homes. And at the weather channel's peak, we were about 108 million. So I got a chance to really go through that tremendous growth period with the weather channel company, and it was just, I mean, I wouldn't trade it for anything. Wow. best parts of my life, man. Really? When you were you were when you were first when you first started there. What were you drinking? 13:45 Oh, two beers. 13:48 will cheat beers. Okay. I've been making a lot of money. 13:54 Online. So Fred, I went from Old Milwaukee and college. Okay, you believe Sorry, bro. I gotta be honest with you. 14:00 awakened, 14:01 Niccolo Blake. It's great. 14:04 Alright, so when did you When did you start drinking whiskey? 14:10 Probably a 45. I'm just kind of late bloomer, I guess. 14:15 It's almost like his I started playing golf at about 30 years old and, you know, after golf, it's so nice to just go have a drink. And it actually it kind of it started with scotch. And then you know, somebody said, try this single very My dad was a big scotch drinker. So I would go home and see him and you know, as he aged, it was kind of nice to just sit down and have a drink with my dad and drink what he was drinking. 14:40 So I found this old bottle. My grandmother used to work for a liquor store distributor. I found this old bottle of four roses 14:51 like that, why weren't you drinking this? Because I don't know. It's been sitting there for 20 years. So I I popped it open and, you know, the court would 15:00 Just a disaster. I mean, it was shattered. So there's like, so I just pushed it down in there and I started pouring it out and there's cork in the glass. But I took one sip of that. I'm just like, Oh, 15:13 this is my drink. Wow. So you're a scotch drinker on the bourbon drink. So four roses is the bourbon that turns your scotch palate into a bourbon palate. Yes, sir. That's awesome. Fred, do you think that's a little unique? And it's in its sense, too. Because I mean, I know that both of you and I we've tried older four roses, and some of it might not even compare to today's four roses in regards of like the quality that I didn't put out back then. Well, here's the thing is like I would want to see the bottle because there were by by him describing it as having a cork. That makes me think it might have been what was are we talking 90s was this in the mid 90s Oh gosh. This this 16:00 bottle was probably from the 60s 16:03 but when did you When did you have that taste? 16:08 Yes 90s so so it's been in the 90s so if that bottle was from the 60s you know do you recall any like 16:18 foreign language on it by chance was there it was clear American It was 16:26 a bottle because it was shaped like a 16:29 like a pyramid almost. Okay, so then what you had then you actually so I Kenny, he did not have a blend as your as you were thinking he had. I actually think that you had a single barrel from the one of the first single barrels from four roses as they were making their comeback and it was actually from the 90s 16:50 I do have a bottle in here somewhere. 16:55 Really 16:58 good luck finding that Fred. Just 17:00 You want to take a few minutes or 17:03 timeout timeout? Yeah. 17:08 The way that bottle you're describing Did it have a Green Label? 17:13 Do you recall it didn't have any label didn't have any light on it. So so you know, so I will be willing to say it may not have been four roses, but the fact that my grandmother was a distributor and we had four roses glasses, shot glasses, four roses, everything. I'm wondering if, if that was it, and I certainly you know, recently the comeback of four roses. as we as we all know, it's been huge. 17:38 So that's been kind of a bright spot in my eyes for my girlfriend drinks. Nice. Well, we'll talk about that later. 17:47 Well, you but the bottom line is there was there was a bourbon and the 90s that brought you you know, to where you are now and what after you had that taste? What were you 18:00 seeking out in the store and at the bar you and I've talked before a little bit I love grain. 18:07 I love a little candy corn. You know, I love a little caramel. And 18:14 I just I love the just the front end when as soon as it like hits my lips. It's just it's just delicious. And all of a sudden you know what? I started like smoking cigars. And the cigar became a great thing with the bourbon. This even makes it taste better. And cigar so especially you know, especially not an overpowering cigars, so just a lighter, medium bodied cigar. But that's that's kind of how it all got started. 18:42 They didn't even have the sin over here. It was starting to lead you down. 18:46 Well, yes. And you know, meeting friends early didn't help any 18:51 life. So I remember I remember walking down Lynchburg with you and like every 19:00 fifth person someone would stop. Oh shit. There's Jim cantorial tornado coming, you know, is there a hurricane coming? You know, everybody like they would see you and they would be a little afraid of what was commented? what's what's the strangest thing someone has said to you in public? 19:18 Can you sign my breast? 19:22 That's a new one. Fred is Amanda for that to you yet? Yeah. I'm just like, No, I can't. So yeah, I don't do body parts or dollar bills. I don't do face the dollar. So those are the two things that I will I won't sign but everything else is pretty much fair game. 19:41 Related equipment. An answer for that? You were not expecting I wouldn't know. I was. 19:48 I was I was expecting, you know, something. A little bit more weather related versus finding 19:56 the snowflake for me. Yeah. Okay. I'll get on that. 20:00 Do You Do you ever get like annoyed that people have you associated with 20:09 basically disasters? Because that's all you do. You mean you chase disasters for a living? Yeah. So when I did when we were working with MBC, which was just wonderful, I love that relationship with NBC, especially with NBC Sports. Because I got to do the Olympics. I got to do the Winter Classic, Super Bowls. It was just so it it was like being a part of a team, like a sports team. You know? 20:34 They they ran that show like you You had a role. It was an we treated everything like an event and it was really amazing. We rehearsed ad nauseum. We timed it out. I mean, it was really great TV. I I love working for NBC Sports. Wow. And I would do it again in a minute. But 20:56 you know, to to go and do some of those at the 21:00 high end events and be able to be either part of the show in even the littlest of ways with guys like doc Emmerich. And 21:11 you know, Bob Kostis and Al Michaels, who has coined me Dr. Do. They presented me at the London Olympics one time with the Doctor Doom hat? You know, because Al's kind of got an als kind of a closet meteorologist. When he goes out. He tells me when he goes out golfing with his buddies, they asked him about the weather. What's it going to do with? What do I need to dress for today? Of course, Medallia in Southern California. I 21:38 was like, 21:40 Well, yeah, of course they're asking you that it's an easy answer. But that's it was just great working with them. But But I don't know maybe because I just show up in some of the worst weather they've asked me to go out and 21:56 cover hurricanes floods, about done 98 tropical 22:00 systems as I like to call it, because they be the dependent depression and landfall, a tropical storm or hurricane. And 22:08 now I never say I want to get to 100. But it's inevitable, right? I mean, we know we're obviously always going to have hurricanes and tropical storms, but it just I, I like to put myself in the position of some of the worst whether they're all different to get like a, like a high doing that, like you have an opportunity to use. Yeah, I do. I mean, especially when I was when I was a kid. You know, I started The Weather Channel at 22. So, you know, 22:32 by about age 32 when I when I got out there, and this lady came up to me and writes will beach when I was covering hurricane death, she goes, You know what, Jim? I can see her too. She looked petrified. But she walked up to me through a bunch of people. And I said, Ma'am, can I help you somebody and she goes, I just wanted to tell you, you know, we know it's going to get bad here, but I just wanted you to know that we're glad that you're here to take us 23:00 through it. Wow. It was a really interesting moment in my life, especially as a meteorologist because all of a sudden, it wasn't about the swashbuckling through a storm anymore. It was more of a god, you know, I, I got purpose here. And I got it. I had a way to communicate with these people, get them out of harm's way, and really help. 23:24 And that's what that's I never forgot that moment because that was really the turning point. So Jim, I grew up in Oklahoma, and you know, we had NATO's all the time and we lived I lived through many many tornadoes and 23:39 Gary England, oh, it's someone like yeah, we would we would watch News Channel Nine and he, you know, we felt like he saved our life, you know, or we felt you know, he we knew to get covered. Gary was talking about it. And, you know, 23:54 out here in Louisville, Kentucky. I feel like they start getting all panicky if there's, you know, 24:00 One cumulus cloud and the air is there a you know are there's are there like some meteorologists who just have have the chops some who are just a little bit more panicky. I mean, you're brave and you go into anything, but I feel like some of them, you know, I will be honestly, there's probably things that 24:20 none of us should be in. Frankly. 24:24 It's your job to mission as a meteorologist to relay the message, to get people out of harm's way and to not panic yourself. Because if you if that is your 24:37 that's what they see in you. They're not going to listen to you. Okay, there. There needs to be a sense of calm, there needs to be a sense of control over going through this. It's not going to last forever. Most people will make it through it. Sadly, some will not. That is just the way of the world when it comes to a strong tornado. 24:58 We don't I mean, we hit 25:00 That we, as meteorologists, we love the tornadoes that are way out in the open plains. They are over, you know, pasture land that hasn't been farmed yet. That doesn't bother anybody. They don't take out any buildings. They don't hurt anybody. those are those are the beautiful ones to admire from a distance. But the ones that start coming through town you start seeing it debris, shield and cloud come up and you start seeing pieces of building and metal flying all around you know, your your your heart drops your stomach a little bit because you know, now you're in an area where there's population when you start seeing power flashes. 25:38 You know, you know that somebody's in harm's way hopefully everybody got out of that but you know, there's a chance and we're about to interesting enough. I mean, I don't know when this is going to play the podcast we're doing here but we're about to enter a period of really daily tornadoes. In Tornado Alley, traditional Tornado Alley Fred where you are from 26:00 It's going to get it's going to get really busy starting Friday out there. And it's going to last through at least the end of the month. 26:07 And that's 26:09 you know, it's it's such a somber feeling cuz I know I mean, growing up in an area where people died, you know from from a tornado and then you know, that's happened here in Kentucky and Indiana as well. It's just right. You know, I think a lot of people just look at the TV and see you all as like personalities, but you really, 26:27 you really do feel vested in, in the people's lives out there. It's that's not just talking. You know, 26:34 what's really interesting is, you know, I've worked at the weather channel for 33 plus years, and I've never really considered it a day that I have to go to work. Oh, yeah. Is it hard to get up at 315 in the morning, you bet. But it's hard for me to get up at 9am. So 26:52 so but but the fact that I this is a service, this is always going to be a service at the end of the day. 27:01 And that's what makes it great. 27:03 And never gets old that way. That's how I look. And when you come home when you sell it when you're celebrating for like a job well done, like, you know, finding a storm cloud or finding, you know, a pocket of 27:17 you know that saving someone's life, you know, the weather channel, what do you drink, and when you get home to celebrate, or at a bar, 27:25 the first thing I do is 27:28 if he's if he's getting up at 315, he's probably going to bed around. 27:33 I'm going to be asking you guys, I mean, a lot of times there's not celebration. I mean, it's you're coming back, you're literally dragon coming to the door. Because you're working long hours, you've witnessed hundreds of people that have gone through death and destruction. They've lost everything that they're that they own, that they know. You, 27:52 you're out there. Again, like I told you, it's your mission to tell the stories to let the rest of the country know what's happened here and get these people 28:00 as much help as they can get. So when you come home, there's a little PTSD. All right, you gotta deal with this. You gotta you gotta let it go. And I like to go up to my lake house in Lake Blue Ridge, Georgia. I love it. The water the mountains, I grew up in Appalachia. I love it. Being in the south, it's just a southern extended the same mountain chant I grew up on and you can let everything go there. And after that, you can sit back and you can say, Okay, what did I do? Good. What did I do bad? How could I improved upon what I've done? Who Who else could I have helped What else could I have said before the event that may have helped people? Those are the kind of things that you know, sitting out by the fire with 28:45 a little bit of will it's more McKenna 28:50 or speaking French language now. Yeah. So you know, now I know he's like, I know he likes these. I've seen his I follow them on Instagram and when I see Fred 29:00 Yo picture of these, you know, these bottles I'm like, Oh man, this is perfect. I'm right on board because if Fred likes it, it's got to be good. 29:08 Well, I'll tell you like, you know, I can feel that emotion, you know, coming from you. And I just got to tell you, you know, 29:17 yeah, it on mission in your life, you know what I'm yeah, it's right, you know, 29:23 very different but it's like, you know, 29:26 there's got to be pockets of what you do though, where you do find a moment to celebrate. I mean, because you you and your colleagues have found storms and save people's lives. You know, and there might have been one or two or you know, some so you get moments to celebrate or is it always a feeling of like you want you want to know in the moment to celebrate let me give you an example. So the other day yesterday, actually, in the morning, I go in, and in the Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Oklahoma puts out all sorts of for 30:00 Cass, and one of the things they put out are severe weather outlooks from day four through eight. 30:07 And what they'll do is if something needs to a certain probability, they will color in these different areas where severe weather may strike. So I'm looking at their new day four through eight. And I'm like, Holy smoke. Day 4567, and eight are all colored in. I've never seen that before. They must have done that before. No, actually, I don't think they have. So I get on Twitter and I send them a tweet and ask them if they've ever done that before. And sure, and so I started saying it on the air. You know, Hey, guys, I actually think is the first time that that the Storm Prediction Center has an outlook that day four through eight. And it was it just turned out to be that it was it was the first time that they've done that. So you know, what that does for me, is okay, he he he's passionate about the weather. He's alive. 31:00 into his craft to be able to recognize that after they God knows how many outlets that they put out here over the years I mean that was kind of a cool moment for me okay so if that if that's if that's a way to celebrate then then so be it yesterday I just remembered that 31:18 we could find as many small celebrations that drink as we want I mean it's true and in fact is you know Kenny and I you know this is since this is what we do for a living you know, we we just celebrate celebrating so we were looking for something to tell us what do so 31:36 that's a celebrate to day four through eight from SBC. Those guys do a wonderful job. And you know, that's the other thing to a lot of people don't realize you see me on the air. You don't realize how many people are behind the scenes of the Weather Channel. How many meteorologists that converse with how many people are in my ear like Greg diamond, he can't talk. You know, this is you know, Oklahoma City just got 1.5 inches of rain in the last 20 minutes. 32:00 Boom is a great stat for me, I throw it on the air. You know, great Twitter followers like Ryan, Molly and Eric Blake from the hurricane party. It's endless. It's endless, which is why I like Twitter. It's kind of our weather, weather enterprise home. 32:19 But just wonderful, wonderful people wonderful information, information, wonderful knowledge gathering from all these people and friendly, you probably see that you probably see that from comments on G probably see this, you know, I've seen you with with old timers that have have been through the business. You know, you you sit there and you spend a few moments with him and it may not be on Twitter, but it's actually in real life sitting next to him talking. And you kind of pick up a little something. Yeah. And it just it just helps the whole cause right at the end of the day so 32:50 and Kenny I would say like, you know, 32:53 the the weather industry is is relatively new in terms of like, you know, the American you know, scene 33:00 But I would say Jim would probably be on the Mount Rushmore of other professionals that's, you know, in and you know, our colleagues 33:11 have hair. 33:14 That's gonna be a new one. Yeah, I'm interested to see that how they do that. Just the various they get the sand actually at the sand down the heads, they can't chisel them out, you know, 33:23 the wind in the rain, I'll do that. That'll do it. It just means you're going to get your cranium better to be a better composite. 33:31 But, you know, you know, 33:33 Jim, you've also you've got some other interests. You're a big fan of cars. And you got you got some stuff there behind you. Tell us tell us about the wall behind you there all the cool Well, what's what's interesting about this stuff behind is I'm a big Yankee fan. Okay, and the NHL ray which the dragster is you see behind me there. 33:50 They actually the Yankee sponsored one of their couple of their cars and yeah, you can see those stragglers, let me see my let's go up a little bit. There. 34:00 Yeah. So you got that going on back back in the day in terms of NASCAR. 34:07 I was a big bottle Labonte fan, Bobby kind of reached out to me and I wouldn't watch him when the 2000 season 34:15 with his crew at Joe Gibbs racing, I mean, that was awesome. 34:19 But they're probably using any sport that's more impacted by the weather than racecar driving. I mean, you can't, you can't unless you're you know, driving an IndyCar it's going to be heavily impacted certainly by by the weather. I mean, ever how they tuned the engine. Obviously, with slicks, you're not driving around a wet track, even a couple of drops of rain, makes that slippery track even slippery or so. There's all sorts of things that certainly impact especially NASCAR. Now, I I see the footballs behind and you talk about sports being impacted by weather. And I know this is really old news, but I think a lot of our listeners 35:00 are probably football fans was the deflate gate was that was that a hoax? Was that is that 35:07 could could you realize so here's the deal even though I'm from New England 35:14 I am actually a huge Packers fan because we went up into the story on you know, Green Bay playing Green Bay and this is before they made the new warmed up fields at Soldier Field and Lambo back in the day in the winter up there was like playing on summit. Okay, when you took a hit you it was like taking a hit on pavement. That's what it was like it okay. And there were there weren't these specialty pads and these warmers these these guys were out there saying players today are soft. Their budget was these 35:47 little little worlds getting a little soft, but that's beside the point. 35:52 But the point is, is that I we went up there to Green Bay, and I'll never forget this guy's name is red daddy. 36:00 He was equipment manager. And he right when we walked in he was so friendly and so wonderful. He took us right into the equipment room. He started handing out sweats socks and hats because it was cold the story we're going to do it was cold because you may need a few of these extra layers and just kind of being around Green Bay for the whole four days was incredible. I'm walking through the you know 36:26 to far as getting taped up in the in the tape room or wherever it is the prep room but to go out and do practice and he looks over at me goes hey, you're that you're that you're that weather guy right? Sure you love 36:41 me is this is the I'm what I'm thinking myself Holy smokes this frickin brett farr. And so I'm like, What do I say to that? So I look back at him. And I say You know what? Hey, you're that 36:54 you're that what that the quarterback guy. So he just laughed and it's just what but it was just so damn 37:00 Down to Earth. There was nothing pretentious. It was just this wonderful town that owns this wonderful team with a tremendous winning tradition. How could you not be green Bay's Pat Green Bay Packers fan? Unless you're a Vikings fan? I get it. But the really and the first game we went to, here I am down on the field. And it's freezing rain is my flight gets canceled. Okay, from from, from Minneapolis to to Green Bay. I'm like, Oh, no. So I will draw. I'm like, screw it. I'm driving. So I'm driving through an ice storm. I finally make it there. It's the fourth quarter. 37:36 They they tie up the game. The Packers tie up the game. And then you remember the Antonio Freeman catch off his helmet? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I was on the sidelines. And 37:46 it was just unbelievable that the passion of the fans that just ever the nobody left and it's Dude, it's 35 degrees, freezing rain. It's brutal out there. And so now it's an overtime for this game. And so I never forget 38:00 Never forget 38:02 to cover story. So deflate gate was 38:10 you've probably heard of finishing beer using whiskey barrels, but a Michigan distillery is doing the opposite. They're using beer barrels to finish their whiskey. New Holland spirits claims to be the first distillery to stout a whiskey. The folks at Rock house whiskey club heard that claim and had to visit the banks of Lake Michigan to check it out. It all began when New Holland brewing launched in 97. Their Dragon's milk beer is America's number one selling bourbon barrel aged out in 2005. They apply their expertise from brewing and began distilling a beer barrel finished whiskey began production 2012 in rock house was the club is featuring it in their next box. The barrels come from Tennessee get filled with Dragon's milk beer twice, the mature bourbon is finished in those very same barrels. Rocco's whiskey club is a whiskey the Month Club on a mission to uncover the best flavors and stories from craft distillers across the US along with you 39:00 bottles of hard to find whiskey rack houses boxes are full of cool merchandise that they ship out every two months to members in over 40 states go to rock house whiskey club com to check it out and try a bottle of beer barrel bourbon and beer barrel rye use code pursuit for $25 off your first box 39:20 so deflate gate was 39:24 so as you yeah you keep deflecting that one up 39:27 you know Robert Kraft and Florida or anything so I'm glad you kept it too flaky. uh you know hey, it, it is what it is but how do you know how to use the weather to realize that you know what happens within the cold winter's night you go you start your car you start driving and if you have one of these newer cars to tells you your tire pressure went down 39:49 less because the cold air so So Tom Brady was right or they were they were right there study was right. Does that the right 39:58 let's let's stay a little bit on the 40:00 Some some weird kind of questions like, I have friends who tell me that their knees hurt and that thunderstorm coming. Is that real? Yeah, the pressure changes can affect people kind of cranks up the Arthritis a little bit. 40:14 Sometimes the humidity sometimes the moisture in the air, the cold, damp. 40:19 Yeah, I totally believe it. You know, I don't think there's anything it's one of these things for the candidates. It's not super scientific. I don't think there's a cut rule on it. It is because of the because everybody's body is different. They're affected differently. I mean, one guy's low pressure may not be another guys or gals. All right. It's different. But it's it's definitely there. I've heard it enough to say we've got the evidence. We got the circumstantial evidence. That's very interesting. In American whiskey we are. 40:50 We are read as the same problem he drinks something you can feel it in is nice and nice. 40:55 Especially when I fall down the stairs 40:59 when we 41:00 When we look at like American whiskey we are very much you know, the majority of the distillers are a lot of them are using like kind of climate control but there are some who who are not. 41:12 And it comes up a lot about you know, is climate change going to have an impact on American whiskey and really you know, I think the verdict SAP but the one thing that we're facing a lot of right now in Kentucky is the rain and and like constant flooding, you know, right. So here's what I'm going to say to that. 41:33 We grow a lot of corn. In this country, the Corn Belt is very well known, you know, from the Midwest up through the, you know, across the Great Lakes and into the High Plains. 41:46 They've gotten soak this year, they're going to get soaked over the next couple of days. So that's certainly delays corn. 41:54 But if you let's just say that we warm the planet by two degrees, and the 42:00 Now we open up all these growth areas and Canada 42:05 so not you so now you extend your growth area up and Canada 42:10 you know they did, I think will always be able to grow corn is my total will grow it somewhere will get it from somewhere. Does does like increased water impact a kind of a microclimate of an area because what we're seeing is we're seeing the waters rise around like distilleries like the rivers are getting higher, the lakes are getting higher. Yeah, how will that impact like warehouses and stuff like on a kind of a like a man, that's my biggest concern is, you know, when you look at a warmer atmosphere, you can hold more water molecules, right. And it's the same physics that are squeezing them out. But if you get more squeeze out, you're going to squeeze out more and so it's raining harder. And it really riffing the find these just prolific rainfall events, double digit rainfall 43:00 totals, you know, and ask the folks at Houston they got Houston we got a problem okay because they get these things all the time now. 43:09 So imagine being a city versus you know, farmland where you can take certainly a little bit more water but that is the problem it's raining harder. That is not good because it's raining at rates that the soil can absorb the moisture and so we're also it runs off rich fertile soil and so you changing the landscape you're changing the fertility of the soil, and that's a big deal 43:31 at that, that's something also we have to keep an eye on for sure. There's also maybe a concern like right now the the wide oak forest of the eastern part of the United States seems to be fine, but if this rain keeps up, you know, it's it's surely going to get down to the roots of a lot of those white oak trees. You know, 43:50 it's interesting the the the white folks seem to be doing okay at the moment. 43:57 What I've noticed though, are the red Oh, 44:00 are very susceptible to drought and heat and cold. They're very finicky. There's a lot of rock in the middle. There's a lot of broken limbs, they just don't look healthy. Especially with more water. For example, blares, Ville, Georgia got 44:22 100 inches of rain last year, which is unprecedented. I'm going to be interested to see as we go through the next few years, what impact that has on the Oaks, I actually have, you know, a property where I took down a bunch of red oaks because they were a threat to to homestead. And I couldn't believe what I saw in there, me and my buddy when we cut this tree down, we're like, holy smiley, the whole middle of this rotted, it was gonna fall Anyway, I'm like, thank God, we took that down. So now I'm looking for other red oaks that may need to come down because of the same problem. So there's something going on. 45:00 With the oak and yes, Fred, do 45:04 you know animals and plants know, or had a hint of what's happening before we do as humans? I think that's possible. I really do. So when you look at the last season, the red oak tree now, when you look at Red Oak versus white oak, here's a little kind of a fun like bourbon historical fact, the distillers actually figured out like red oak, that kind of stuff happened to red oak, and it wouldn't retain water when I turned them into barrels. And so that's one of the big reasons why the majority of the barrels are made from carcass album, you know, species of white oak, but yeah, yeah, but 45:39 red oak. Is though, is the red oak has always been the weaker species. Yeah. Yeah, 45:45 Jim, I've got a kind of question for you to when we're talking about, you know, the weather paint, the weather changes and everything shifting. And Fred might be able to kind of talk about this too, because, you know, living here in Kentucky, we hear all the time that Oh yeah, this is the best climate for 46:00 been the cold winters, the warm summers, however, the past two or three winters here and been pretty mild. You know, we've had maybe one school closure two inches of snow. And that's it. I mean, we're not talking, you know, weeks upon weeks of like severe cold weather. Are you seeing any kind of like climate changes or shifting that's happening, at least in our part of the country where we could expect this sort of happening for years to come that could even affect future stocks? 46:33 I mean, guys, there's no question the last 30 years or so, which is it you know, about viable climate record? We've seen warming, especially in the Arctic regions. 46:46 There's no you know, we've measured that the same instruments of measure that warming, so it's definitely there. What's interesting though, is people need to realize that it's not just warm when we 47:00 When you get an overall warming and other things are going on, it can lead to other extremes. In other words, how many record warm February's and marches that we had, and then all of a sudden to snap into a cold blast in April and record lows. So it's these kind of zigzagging really extreme undulations of the jet stream that we haven't quite figured out. Is that is that something because of now what is used to be so much ice over the Arctic? more dark areas that are absorbing heat and maybe changing the overall jet stream? There's there's a lot of speculation here. There's just a lot of stuff we don't know. All right. 47:42 Is this a short term trend? Can the earth correct itself? are humans playing a part? I certainly think you know, with the amount of you're talking about what 7 billion 47:52 probably yes to all the above. Yeah, quite a few billion people out there, you know, certainly impacting things. I do hate that. All of this gets pulled 48:00 Assize because I think if we looked at it from a purely scientific perspective, we could analyze it a little better. But what happens is everything gets politicized and get one side going for the other. And then one side denies it. The other side fights back. It just I feel like we're, you know, the climate in conversation is that a disservice due to political it's very sad because the, the ends of the spectrum, the deniers and the in the alarmists are the loudest, okay? 48:32 It's the majority in the middle that are willing to listen and do something and be good stewards of their planet that are kind of open to all you know, hey, okay, I listened to you. I listen to you. You know what, yeah, maybe I could recycle better. Maybe I can drive an electric car. You know, people that genuinely want to be good stewards of the planet. I think that really needs to be. 48:55 I agree. And don't you think in this wonderful 49:00 world that we live in with so much ingenuity that we will figure out stuff and look at look at Tesla, you know, looking at 49:09 Elon Musk and Tesla, just a great idea. But sometimes with solutions come problem, what do you do with the batteries? You know, 49:19 when the cars are dead, you know, that's a lot of that's a big chunk of waste right there. You know, right now, when we looked over the oceans, I was reading something the other day we have, especially over the Pacific, the pump, the plastic gyres, now four times the size of France, whether that's true or false, I'm just telling you, I read it, that's a big deal. Okay, we can't have that kind of plastic over the ocean. We need to fix that. That is not being a good steward to your planet, and boat in before we worry about these other things. We need to fix that. We need to we need to get a handle on that. And then we can start dealing with the other stuff because that's what humans do. We figure stuff out 50:00 Now, this is a real that's a really great segue into a moment when you and I actually picked out a barrel together. 50:09 How we figured something out so that I can't use the hundred year old drill. Is that where you're going with this? So let me paint the picture for for the audience. This is because it's we're at the barbecue competition and it's the party and 50:28 we're with stormy Warren and a couple other folks course. You know, stormy has his own Sirius XM, you know, station. And we are great guy. Yeah. Also also a cowboy. You know, go pokes. 50:46 You gotta throw it in there, don't you? Yeah, it's right. Go, folks. So we, you know, I'm with the assistant master distiller Chris Fletcher. And, you know, he's given us a tour, and it 51:00 Say, Chris, let's, let's take some barrels. And he's like, Well, you know, we don't really do that, you know, as Chris, let's take some barrels. It's me It's 51:12 seriously Kenny, you gotta go back here. I mean, you know, Fred, well, he's literally drilling this guy. Yeah. All right. And I in the way that he got it done was Fred literally going back and telling stories on the stories from this distiller he was kind of one upping the distiller almost every story that unless like, Who is this guy? This is 51:39 I mean, he just knows everything about bourbon and the history of jack daniels. I'm like, this is unbelievable. So he couldn't say no to friend. Anyway, go ahead, Fred. I sorry, I I No, no, and I gotta tell you, I don't like I don't like doing that. And then never. It's never like super 52:00 intentional. But, you know, the these these brands, these distilleries, they just they have their like marketing spiel and they're like their templates, right? And I just like, you know, when they say something like, you know, we were the first sour mash or something like that I'm gonna be like, well, actually in 1818, you know, 52:23 and it's not their fault. It's just, it's it's marketing, but I know dude, I'm telling you, you had to be there because I'm just like, Who is this? 52:34 He knows everything. Like, this is unbelievable. Like where you 52:40 agree, like he's been a dick as he knows everything. It wasn't like hesitation. It was kind of like, hold on a second. I mean, just off the top of his head. And he would just come out with these incredibly beautiful stories, like only Fred can tell, you know, and it's just like, whoo. I want to hear what he has to say. So 53:00 distiller could not say no when it came to open anyway go ahead we didn't understand go barrel go we were 53:09 we got the chance to crack open some barrels and then it came down to like well which barrels we want to go to? And I said well let's go you know let's let's let's find the ones that have the best age on them. And as we went into the one of the warehouse I don't recall the warehouse but it was you could tell was it was paring down it was a little skinnier. There weren't as many barrels in there and so it was obviously one that they were pulling for their single barrel program. So this was an allocated single barrel warehouse, whatever warehouse that might have been, and he comes up with this fucking drill. 53:45 Will it will it and all these other distilleries have like a real drill? You know, jack daniels with this like hand crank drill, with like I was the one from who's the original distiller for jack 54:00 Daniels? Well, are they 54:03 with a narrow screen or limit loud Dan call? 54:10 100 years old, let's just put it that way. It was a I mean, seriously, it was all I mean, maybe had like two years old probably what do you think it was old? I can't, it did look like something that they would have had American pickers kind of thing. It would have been on the set of Deadwood. It was that old. And they come in here and it's got like this, this handle where you kind of you hold it, and then you crank it over here. And the drill bit the drill but actually looks like it's like somebody forged it with a hammer. I mean, the drill it looks like ancient. So like eight so as old as it was, they could have at least replace a drill, but I don't think they did. Anyway, so it gets in there. And he's drilling. The damn thing just disappears. 55:00 He, he loses the truth in there, like in the in the barrel barrel. Yes. So I'm cranking this thing think about an old crank. And I'm holding cranking it and all of a sudden it just pops out of the drill. I'm like, Oh, it's stuck in the barrel. It's stuck in the barrel. And of course I'm you know, I'm not the laughingstock. Well, we did. We were all laughing but you were also 55:25 stormy did try to drill and Kyle tried to drill a little bit too. Well, you were the only one who had any kind of muscle. I mean, if you take a look at Jim That boy is rip. You know, he's got the biceps. He's got the deltoid. Okay, so the true story here is that stormy and Kyle were too drunk the drill 55:48 that's really where the story but go ahead pick it up. And I was here just playing catch up at this point. 55:54 me he really had the up to it, but so sorry. So that one, that drill didn't work. 56:00 gap. And lo and behold, jack daniels didn't have just one like 1895 drill. They had two drills from 1895. And increase comes marching up with this, this second drill, but this one even looks older. You could tell it they haven't been using. It's got dust on it, and the bit is even more were down. Yeah. 56:23 You're absolutely right, sir. And he gets in. Yeah, Jim's going along. And that won't get stuck in there. So, yeah, 56:31 but so yeah, so Yo, jack daniels two artifacts. That's what we're really good part though. Where we're drinking it got in we're finally got in. And then we start drinking when there were like, how many barrels of wind up tapping we end up tapping like five better three, right? I remember five. Well, okay. And we and actually, Jim, I don't know if you know this, but the barrel that we like the most. They actually bought look for a charity that I support. The Kentucky brain injury Alliance. I could 57:00 The Brain Injury alliance in Kentucky and in the home ride foundation for for vets. So they end up selling it. 57:09 So since we've just beaten up jack daniels a little bit, no, not really just there to tell everybody what happened once we got a sip 57:19 of either the first or second barrel and and it looks at you, Fred and he said, Fred, what would you get this? Or maybe it was storming you said I can't remember who said it, but yeah, no, I definitely said it was like mid 90s or something. I thought it was 9292 57:38 good memory. But it was it was like an incredible complicated whiskey. I've got a bottle of it in here in the office somewhere. But it is I still you know, jack daniels gets gets a bad rap for, you know, for just kind of being in every day like mixer with Coke. But you know, that's what pays the bills. The fact is, I 58:00 They have some incredible barrels in there. And if if you can get a single if you can drink straight from the jack daniels barrels, and I'd put that whiskey up against anything and Kentucky, there's a lot of great whiskey in those warehouses. You know, what's really interesting? Is it for people who haven't been to jack daniels. 58:19 I think the weather actually helps them. Because it's almost like a little tropical rain forest back there. I mean, it's just so humid. You know, you can't help but think whatever this whiskey is sitting in is not going to pick up whatever is in that barrel. Take a part of it. And that's where the magic happens. Right. Yeah. I guess a question for you about humidity in general. I mean, what's that actually doing? Do you think to barrels? I mean, Ryan was who couldn't be on the show tonight. He's one of our other co host. He was talking to like barometric pressure, like, does this humidity help with something like that? Well, you know, it's sad. You mentioned 59:00 barometric pressure because I got a buddy. His name is Paul mentor. 59:04 He is a rum distiller in Key West Florida. First first legal rum. And he 59:13 basically plays that barometric pressure. 59:17 And that's when he distills is wrong with the pressure drops, so he uses the pressure as a part of his game. I think that's really, really interesting. 59:29 But certainly, you know, I don't know how that works in terms of pressure, but I know humidity. Certainly when you add moisture to wood, it swells. 59:40 It opens up the wood. So maybe it brings out more the flavor of the wood into the bourbon 59:47 or the whiskey. Who knows? Well, maybe maybe when you retire from the weather channel, you could go and take a side gig at some of these distilleries and kind of just do more research. I think that whether barrels I think that is simply brilliant. I love that idea. You know, can 1:00:00 I was actually about to say that you know, I'll take 5% that's fine 1:00:05 I think we need to go at this together guys. 1:00:08 We're a team here come on you know Kenny does bottles on whiskey so you know that's there is that pretty impressive right there? Yeah, yeah he's there they're making a go at it it's called the pursuit series and now he's going to send you a few bottles and that right Kenny? twist mom we can make it happen 1:00:26 So Jim, man, I gotta tell you 1:00:30 the just the bourbon world. It it does need a face and whether you know we need we need someone who can be the bourbon face and the weather world. Are you up for it? willing to take that channel chat channel challenge, you know as I kind of get a little bit older and you know all the young kids start taking over in the in the weather world. 1:00:56 Maybe it's time to maybe it's time to switch guns to bourbon. Let's do it. 1:01:00 first things I have to tell you it's been it's been a real pleasure. You know, just being your friend but also having you on. And you know, 1:01:10 cheers to you my friend and everything that you do for for America. Absolutely. And you know, I know we'll be more than happy to be your agent and you know make sure you we talked to the right distilleries for you will make that happen well guys if after we play this and and and the weather channel looks at it and says you can't Tory promoting liquor on on a podcast. That's we don't think we're going to breach your contract. I mean, need you guys. So well happens. here's the here's the good news is that spirits advertise a lot. And you can just spend that as saying like, Well, actually, I got a line over here. You know, they may want to advertise. Oh, contracts good. I was about to say I was like, this is your opportunity right now to say like, what's your go to because all of a sudden the contracts going to start rolling in? Yeah. Well, we're going to hold off on that. 1:02:03 Put together kind of a magic case. And something will arrive in the mail and we'll we'll see what happens. Right. And I know Fred certainly been trying to get me to try some different things. 1:02:13 And they're good there. When a package comes in the mail for Fred, it's like, whew, we need to go here. You know, 1:02:20 and but you need to do from now on, send me the package and tell me what you're sending me before you put it out on social media. Because once it goes out on social media, then you can't get it anymore. You know, I need to get McKenna right now. Because of you. You know how hard it is to get McKenna right now, America fact he kills all of us. I mean, no, ill will feed people. 1:02:48 Thank you, brother. Thanks, guys. Cheers, brother. So my suddenly Yeah, man. Thank you, Jim. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. You know, Fred, as well for for coming on and making sure that you know, able to bring 1:03:00 Jim, because I think we've got a lot of great information in regards of not only just Jim's past and his history, his family kind of having a connection to the distributing business as well. And really what, you know, I guess how whiskies making an impact in your life now too, as well. So it's fantastic just to know that that kind of personal side with you, and before we kind of close off, you know, Jim, I want you to just give an opportunity to let people know like how they can follow you on social media and how they can find you. Just in that regard, as well, guys, I mean, here's how I run my social media at Jim kantor's all business, all weather on Twitter. 1:03:38 Facebook gets all those those tweets at you and Ken Tory on on Instagram is more like, Who is this guy outside of weather, you know, what does he do? Where does he go? Who's he hang out with? You know, what's what's going on with these kids, you know, with Fragile X syndrome. The Parkinson's that my ex wife is dealing with 1:04:00 So you know, those kind of things that this the other storms in my life, you'll find out and I'll tell everyone right now, Jim is an amazing man, and amazing man. And you can see a little bit of that on Instagram. And I hope you all go check it out. Thanks, Brett. I appreciate that. I'm just a man and I appreciate being that guy. So if other people can find it, find a little laugh through through my Instagram or Twitter, Facebook, whatever, enjoy it, enjoy it. Absolutely. And we'll make sure to put that in our show notes for anybody able to go and quickly link to it and be able to follow you as well. Then make sure you also follow bourbon pursuit Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and if you like the show, help support the show patreon. com and if you like what you hear, make sure you submit any sort of suggestions we love hate mail. We love fan mail, whatever it is team at bourbon pursuit.com. So with that, Jim Fred, thanks again for joining today. And we will see everybody next week. Cheers next time.

This episode is a follow-up to the previous episode wherein Kenny talked about how to handle false teachers, even when we have been somehow benefited by those preachers' teachings or writings. There is a lot of controversy in our modern Christian context about how we ought to our approach the topic of heresies and false teachings. It seems like many people are afraid to discuss this. One reason some people feel uncomfortable with the topic is because they may not know how to determine if someone is a false teacher or not. In this episode Kenny answers the question “How do we determine whether or not a particular preacher is a false teacher?” Kenny gives one thing he does not do, that we ought not do, that is we should not label anyone a heretic just because they disagree with our view. There's more to it that that. The Kenny gives us the six things he uses to help determine which preachers are safe and helpful versus the preachers that are harmful and dangerous. Those six things Kenny uses are: 1- The Bible 2- Early church writings 3- Ancient creeds and statements from the ecumenical councils 4- Confessions and catechisms from Reformation era 5- The opinions of wise pastors I Kenny trusts 6- Determine if the doctrine or ideology being taught is detrimental to the believers  

This week's ControlTalk NOW features Ken Sinclair, who takes us on a deep dive through the murky waters of Cybersecurity.  The April edition of Automated Buildings is a must read -- as leading industry experts weigh in with critical insights and comprehensive advice on how to eliminate as many of your vulnerabilities as possible. There is a great framework from NIST. Click Here to Subscribe to our YOU TUBE Channel  Cochrane Supply's Controls-Con, May 2-4, 2019 Detroit's MotorCity Casino ControlTrends 10% Discount Code Available 2019 Haystack Connect, May 13-15, 2019, San Diego, CA EasyIO World Conference, May 19-21, 2019, Amsterdam, Netherlands Our AI transcriber is not smarter than a six year old, so I apologize in advance for any typos and miss spelled words. The following is a presentation and the ControlTrends, Podcasting Network,you're listening to ControlTalk Now. The HVAC and Smart Building Controls , podcast., with the man the myth, the legend Ken Smyres and Eric Stromquist. ControlTalk Now about weekly podcast with HVAC,building automation and Smart Building Control News you can use. Now here's Eric Eric Stromquist: Alrighty. All right man. So cool. What Kenny man, big week. I know you stay busy. I stay busy, man. Roscoe went on in the business world. I think anybody in our industry knows to just kind of like a business has just fallen out of the sky man. It's like how many buckets can you pick up? You know, everybody's scrambling to get the job done and keep up with it. It's keeping us busy. It's a good thing, you know, probably not last forever, but hey, while it's happening, let's enjoy it. Right. I think Ken Smyers: totally right. I think we've come to a, an intersection where the, the, some of the hard work, the pioneer work, the, the, the planting of the seeds so to speak. And then the technology is finally coming into, uh, you know, the, the various modular levels that are affordable. They're understandable. And they're, you know, the ease of installation. And so I think it's a good time, uh, economically too. There's money is available. I know when you talked primarily about HVAC and building automation, you go into certain markets like the mush market, Hospitals, universities, schools, hospitals, and commercial real estate, you know, and the GSA. But uh, you know, the truth of the matter is, is that we've done a lot of due diligence on this and we've proven without question that if you take steps, you know, you fix your worst problem first with the technology. And we've had some amazing products come to being easy. Io came up with the, uh, the FG 32, I think that was one of the mainstays. Then you had to Honeywell, LCB has connect. Then you had the Johnson controls Verasus uh, you know, and you got links spring coming out with the five 34. You have the edge tend to device series coming out from Tridion on. And so all the major manufacturers and vendors out there to provide solutions have taken some of the major product platform and scaled it down so that it can meet the markets that need it the worst. And that's those 50,000 square feet and below. And so, uh, as you know, we keep track of doe and they tell us that there's a, there's about 75% the 80% of the buildings after this still need some love and care and some building automation. Eric Stromquist: So I think what's going to happen with that, and again, at ControlTalk Now, we try to give you control news you can use. So I think if you're planning your strategy now, it's like when the business is falling out of the sky, your strategy nowadays, he'd be just, how can we, how can we capture that business and take it and make money on it? But you will remember this conversation where the man, the myth, the legend told you that 70% of those smaller buildings don't have anything in someone. The economy dries up. You can put together a strategy and go after that. And of course we've got so many great products, companies are coming out with products to address that segment of the market or anything for viruses. Kenny talked about the Honeywell LCBS, well you look at EASY IO, it's great for that race to the small space. and LYNXSpring has a great offering. Ken Smyers: Optergey and LoyTech. I mean we're just, we're seeing the, that we're seeing a lot more. I decided I was going to do, hey Eric, one more time. Could you do that thing you did there about the, you were catching things falling from the sky because you reminded me of somebody. You mind me a Julio Jones. There you go. Eric Stromquist: Oops. Drop it. Manna from heaven baby. Yeah, Manna from for sure. Well listen man, we got a great show this week. Let's go ahead and get our first guest on and then we'll, we'll take care of some business after we getting a motto. How about introducing him? Kenny sounds great. Is the first of the month and you know what that means. Ken Smyers: I sure do. It it that Ken Sinclair from automated buildings have come up with another fabulous addition. Uh, we're going to be bringing Ken Sinclair, owner, editor of automated buildings.com, On to the show. Welcome to the show Ken and tell us about your April edition. Welcome, Ken. Ken Sinclair: Thank you very much. Really pleased to be on a controlled trends. Uh, yeah, our, uh, our April fool's issue is going to come online April 1st, but we all got fooled. And the fact that, uh, I wrote an article for connected contractor that basically linked to the bulk of the articles and uh, it was supposed to go out on Thursday and surprise. It came out on Wednesday. So I'd left us scrambling to, to make sure that all the links were, uh, as, as need as they could be. So we had a release then and a, we're in a situation that we can kind of release that side of it. And I gave you a little piece of artwork and a, an actual article that you can link to that it'll take you to most of the cyber securities. So where this all came from, his Anto, uh, came to me and he had done quite a successful, uh, cybersecurity a session at Ahr Atlanta. Uh, he asked me what he should do and I said, it's way too late. Don't even try and do it. But he ignored me and, uh, and uh, cobbled it together. Uh, it ended up being at seven o'clock in the morning, uh, which actually turned out to be a blessing because everybody who came to the cybersecurity session actually made it. Anybody who waited to come on the bus was stuck on the freeways and mix ms most of our other sessions. So it worked out really well. Anyway, from that, uh, that was sort of the first gathering of a lot of cybersecurity folks and he suggested that we do an issue and we chose April as a month to do that issue. And, uh, I'm, I'm extremely pleased. Uh, uh, it, it makes you realize the giants that we actually work with in the industry. And, uh, if you just flip through their articles, I got to admit, I just learned a whole bunch about the cyber security. I've always been kind of concerned about it, that cybersecurity has the potential of a mobilizing us and uh, I, I feel better about that now. They all seem amazingly enough, although there's five, six, seven articles, uh, all coming at it from different directions, they actually mostly all embraced nurses. Uh, a framework which is great. So we have some commonality. Uh, I just a whole lot of stuff and it's, I think it's going to be a great resource for our industry and uh, I think also it's going to be useful for other industries and it will, uh, it kind of gets our message out, uh, to, to cybersecurity is as general, it maybe identifies us more as it thinking people and helps with that transition. We all have to make really nice job on in Canada. I think this is that this is the edition that you want to print out and save because I think this is going to be something you can use for sometime to come. But anyway, Kenny, I'm sorry for interrupting there. Ken Sinclair: No, that was great. Wedge in on that is the, uh, mark made that comment. He said, this is looking good. We should make this into any magazine and a really the issue, the way we index everything and automated buildings is we never throw anything away. We have our very first issue is still online from 20 years ago, so this issue is Sabre. We'll say cyber security issue will be online for now for for as long as I I chug on. I'm going to talk a little bit about that later in the show. Well, hang on real quick and I guess it one more thing is we've got an April fools coming up. Can I got an April fool's joke? You should play on the community, so on April 1st you should publish that, that republish, that one from 20 years ago just for the, and just see how many people pick up on it. Then you can put that other one back home. Believe it or not, most of the, most of the words are bang on. We haven't really achieved much. We've been talking about a lot of this stuff for a long time. It's pretty, it's actually pretty bad actually. Some of it is. I've actually been doing that in a lot of my writings. I've been taking something from 2015 years ago and it reads great. Well, you know, can I think that shows that you're a precocious back 20 years ago, I think you were when it was first minds in the business, they're really truly took uh, you know, began to document and archive what is likely to come and why and why it's necessary, why you gave us good foundation and you know, you say you gave us where we're at now, where we're going, where we're going to be. But um, you know, the, the way you started off the April edition was you said that, um, I've avoided discussion and the past cybersecurity understanding, highlighting to potential security and privacy concerns can paralyze us for 20 years. We have operated in the wild west manner. And I think that that's, that's exactly right. And I think within this last two years, maybe a year for sure, the compression of seriousness that regard now the adoption, everybody knows their response. Where is a co Co effort, you know, we need to cooperate and collaborate to get things done quickly with cybersecurity. But I mean, just kind of in your mind when you think back, like, uh, was back that for instance, we really didn't have that threat. So I mean, it could have been the wild west and it could be, you know, just, you know, we were naive, but again, the world was different then and I think some of our protocols and stuff. So what's your thoughts on, you know, did you ever have an idea that somebody would penetrate your back net network 20 years ago? Yeah, I think you'll, we were safer back in those days, in the 20 years ago because I think the problem came is when we, uh, started to depend heavily on the Internet and we started to develop a web controllers and all of our devices started to have IP addresses. So what happened is we kind of walked across the floor and we became it people, but not really, uh, identifying ourself in educating herself as it people. When you talk to somebody like Scott Cochrane, he understands that real clear and he's all of his new folks. He's hiring are coming from an it orientation. And I think that's kind of where we're at. I think that's how we kind of created a mess by just, we took the quickest way and I think it was necessary because we needed to prove to our industry that this, it was serious stuff. Ken Smyers: Even doing it badly. Uh, it was amazing what we could do. So now I think we used to have to back up a little bit and clean it up, but my comment was is we have really achieved a lot and we, there's holes systems. Uh, you were talking earlier and in a boat, uh, easy ios session in Amsterdam and easy. I do. I always, one of the companies that was quick to basically move into an Iot, uh, environment and actually almost leave our, uh, you know, so I would call it, flag them as one of the leaders in this. But now we have to kind of go back and take a look of what iot rules are doing. How are we going to make all of this stuff safe in that I have a tremendous concern that if we make too many fences, we're going to be the people behind the fences. That's gets too complicated. And uh, so we have to kind of keep that Claire Claire and I was just extremely pleased with all these talented, uh, cyber security experts that wrote for us. Uh, it, it kind of reads like the WHO's who of a cyber security for our industry and uh, that they all are focused on the Nis, uh, model of cybersecurity and uh, and basically identifying the, the five components of that. And so that's, that's just a great feeling a whole lot better. Uh, my concern, my concern got answered in the, uh, in the, uh, article and actually then at the end of it I just added some stuff just a few minutes ago. It's the trouble with my articles. You think you're finished reading them and then they add another paragraph and added the a a paragraph about the charter trust that Siemens is working for with, and they're there, the Europeans are, are, are sort of way ahead of us, although I'm very concerned that they, they could fence themselves in as they, as you start to, as you start to protect our human rights and protect, uh, our products. Every time you put protection around something, it makes it less flexible and less usable. So they're two opposing forces that we have to kind of deal with. Give me an example of being fenced and cause you use that term, but can you give me a for example, um, for example at which, oh, I see. Um, well just at the same, the thing is so secure. Like the simplest thing is that you have to sign on to everything. And if, uh, if I had to sign on to comfy every time I wanted to use it, that would make it useless. And if I had to, if I had to, every time I went into a building, if I have to give permission so they can use my Bluetooth beacon, mobilizes us idea of the technology, gets it, gets stopped with the so much friction that it would be, you wouldn't want to use it anymore. That's right. And I think there's that potential exists. So I think we have to always be, you know, I am, but what is the reality of it? I have no problem with sort of limiting the amount of information that can be taken off of, uh, an iPhone or Dapa off a mobile phone. But to the proper, the proper manner would be is that it would stop you at the door and say that, you know, it's the whole thing with every website now that's warning you that it's using cookies and you can't, you can't move on the website unless you click on it that you accepted to use cookies. So it's like, do I really need that message? Change your password every time you log on and you can't keep up with your passwords. I'm flock out of so many of my sites for that very reason that I can't remember the password because it made me change it. And then I do three times and then it goes through this massive reset and then you gotta come up with another password and then I just go, okay, I'm not going to be on Facebook anymore. Yeah. Well actually I am running that same thing. Yeah. The thing I've done, I just given up remembering my passwords and I actually, every time I sign on I have it send me a new password. Wow. It's just simpler. And actually for some of it, maybe they've achieved their goal cause maybe that's the most useful. Uh, you know, did you change your password? I had to get it on cause I couldn't remember what it was. Well, you know, they're going to fix it that one day. Ken Smyers: I think, uh, you know it. Then you have that big trust. You've got different people like Google and Microsoft and they'll remember all your passwords for you and then they get to hear that and they get caught. You go to and Ken, I, I thought he came up with another one. I wanted to, I want to make this a, this might be the same when we write something about it. You said that we all take, we all have taken the path of least it resistance. I think that's exactly right. I mean, we all did just what you had to do. I remember the early days we just added for, we asked for two ports. You get me on the network and you worry about it and if I create a problem for you, I didn't mean it. Whatever. So, um, yeah, I mean you said too that the WHO's who of of cybersecurity from our building automation and HVAC industry. You're absolutely right. I go through this, the names here and I missed Fred Gore you the first time because I thought initially and he's, he's like right up at the top that, do you have a Anto? You got James Lee, you have Fred Gordy, you have Marc Petock, Ping , and you have Teresa Sullivan. You have just, just how many Kevin Smith's different CTO from treatment. How did you get all these people involved so quickly that you could put this together in a monthly addition? I mean, it's, this is a lot of network. Ken Sinclair: Well, I got to, uh, Anto helped a lot, but as I mentioned that a lot of it, a springboard off of the, uh, cybersecurity session in Atlanta. And actually that whole session is on the new deal site, actually is as much information as there is on the surface. There's, there's two documents. There's, uh, a report I wrote to try and put pictures and English subtitles to all of their complex articles and then linked to their articles, sort of give you some, uh, so you can get up merge and get up to ramp speed trying to get your mind around all of this. And then secondly, uh, Anto and I did a discussion, just a, it's like an interview, but we did it in the form of an article and we basically talk and link to each one of their things and sort of talk about the evolution. Uh, and of course this'll, this'll also get fed back on the new deal, uh, website that, uh, uh, okay. Anto maintains as well. Uh, symmetrics has been a real supporter of this. Uh, and Oh, the other one you missed. Uh, the other fame to more famous people are, uh, James Butler basically talks about the new, a BACnet, BACnet secure, I believe it's called, and an Ping of Optigo Hook, Ping Yell. And then I miss Deb Noller and, um, Jim Butler, Simon. But I just definitely, but it's an incredible lineup. You're quite right. I, I too was impressed and a, I think what happened is that is once, once they found out that somebody was writing, uh, was easy, when I reached out to them and told them this was our cyber security issue and we have some pretty good traction, then I think they, uh, they wanted to be part of it. They wanted it to be identified as a part of the solution. But the amount of information there is just phenomenal cause you, you click on any one of those, uh, industry experts, you get down to their site and then they give you their links and then their links give you more links. So from, from this, uh, I'm really proud that from this one page or this interview, you can, you can probably even go down the rabbit hole. Yeah, you could read for two weeks. But the good news is, is when you start reading it, there starts to be some common themes and some common cautions. And, uh, it's not like everybody's saying, uh, you know, do it my way. And that's, that's what the holistic cybersecurity is, is that we've got to do this as a group. We've got to do this as a, uh, a community of practice. And of course, that was our last thrust and it fits really well into this. And in fact, at the end of our, of the article, we actually identify a whole bunch of communities of practice that are, uh, that are, are, uh, are accurate, are evolving for cyber security. Right? Right, right. No, I like that. Conceptr, but that was it. Was that a Therse Sullivan a concept? Yeah, actually that Atlanta was pretty significant for us. We're saying, we're still talking about it. Uh, um, we did the, uh, it was called the evolution of a automation from ether net to emotion, our session. And we basically went back and we talked about, you know, the overview that we had prepared. And actually this is going to be part of my keynote at control con is that, so I've been 50 years in the industry, uh, 20 years of that is automated building. And, uh, so what, what does the old guys see? Well, what the old guys sees is that we went through a whole lot of technologies on our way from pneumatics to AI, but, uh, the only constant is the people. I mean, there's pets. He's there in the beginning and he's still there in the end. Leaves there in the beginning, uh, the beginning of backnet them and James Lee in San Francisco and the first backnet integration with train that gotta be 30 years ago or something like that. Ken Smyers: Uh, all of this stuff is, has radically changed, but these people are still there and the people and their communities of practice are, well, it's kind of keeps us moving forward. So I'm kind of intrigued by that. And of course, uh, the, the events that are coming up, we're all kind of part of and they become our community of practice events. And uh, certainly that's a ControlsCon is certainly one of those events. The next one that I actually used as an example in that article is aHaystack Connect because HaystackConnect grew. You guys were there in the beginning, you saw how it grew and you saw where it's grown to today. And it is certainly a community of practice when you actually attach yourself to these communities of practice. There's so much information and so much resource because there's very talented people and we're all working on a common theme. And the other thing that comes is communities of practice beget communities of practice because once you start working with this, we've got an absolutely new field. Um, maybe like a camera AI or something like that that we're moving into. We don't really know anything about it. The fastest way we can get from zero to, uh, highway speed is how along the ramp is basically catch on to a community of practice and join them and basically look for a while, find out what the heck they're talking about. And then eventually we'll get up to merge speed and we can actually drive along highway with them. Yeah, it makes so much sense. Can I'll begin by just going to go it alone. And this sort of gets back to a concept that a, either you or Kenny coined about the Co- competition, Speaker 5: whatever it is, co option. All good, Eric. I'm just don't know which analogy which one they'll get doing the random, in other words, we've always said that it's for our community and for, for the building automation world. HVAC I'm ever you, Eric and I were down with Marc Petock.. We said, where do we go? What's, what's our, what's our course of action? And Fred Gordy came out of, uh, you know, he was the champion and he was working with Billy Rios remember. Uh, yeah. And then next thing, you know, uh, it just started rolling. This big wheel started taking roll. And now looking at this litany, this, this faculty, you know, again, Deb Noller, Jim Butler, uh, ping a poke, Ping Yow, uh, Mark Petock, Kevin T. Smith, Fred Gordy, Anto, but Yardo Vr, Joel and James Lee. I mean, now we've got a faculty and then use that with nest. And we've got real great direction that we've gone from having little, uh, you know, kind of guidance. And what do we tell people? Remember that that checklist we hung up on the refrigerator with Fred Gordy. We put his, uh, 10 best things to start a cybersecurity if I get an internal champion, et Cetera, et cetera. But then, um, so it's really good to see that what you said with the ramp to the highway. In other words, we got people onto that. They can finally get a, onto a ramp and started learning, like you saying, and put, put things into context, you know, deciphered, filtered for themselves and their organizations or whomever their businesses. And then, uh, you know, keep at it to the point where you could get onto the ramp way in, merge onto the highway and be comfortable and be professionally competent in cybersecurity. I think it's a great analogy and I think he had a lot to do with Ken. actually Scott Cochrane and I had been fooling around with it as well. And uh, uh, my comment to him as I was appreciating what Scott was doing for me cause he was, he's, he's pushing me along the, uh, along the merge ramp and uh, he wants me to get up to speed before I hit this uh, conference because, so I don't become roadkill. But they, then they, then they were very polite. They re they redefined me as the road warrior. Eric Stromquist: I like it. What, do you guys ever hear of a book called think and grow rich by Napoleon Hill? Yes. Okay. So you know what it reminds me of Ken, and I'm rereading the book is as you know, cause he interviewed Andrew Carnegie and all these people, the successful traits of people that are successful in the top in their field. And one commonality they had as they all had a mastermind group of likeminded people that weren't what they would bounce ideas off of each other. And you know, part of Carnegie's thing was it no mind, no matter how good it is, can capture and understand fully. So, you know, it's almost like these centers of practice are also run me a lot of Carnegie's mastermind groups. Ken Sinclair: Yup. Yeah, I think so. Very, very much so. Uh, I mean it's a way we organize their life. It's kind of funny that, uh, when, uh, teres definitely I would have to credit her to, to basically putting the words around the community of practice. And then she went digging back into the history of how that kind of came to a play and then she put it in one of her articles and then I've rewritten a whole bunch of other stuff on, on that. And you're quite right, it, those come right from the, uh, from motivation. And, uh, but it's just a quick way and it's certainly, I mean, if you want to learn about anything, if you want to learn about video equipment, I'm sure you belong to sub communities of practice for video equipment. I mean it's, and especially with the Internet, it's just so, uh, probably burnt and, uh, everywhere so we can actually get this information. The other thing we've identified a is in talking to my young guns, my young editors is we, you know, he floated out the question is how did you get so smart? And they all came from various backgrounds. Uh, but how they got smart was they basically educated themselves and they learned what they needed to learn. And that's really the model that our whole industry is evolving on is, uh, it's, it's just so broad that, uh, nobody can tell you what you need to know. You just have to pick a, a threat of it on real quick with that because you know, I think, you know, you, you and I both had this concept of, you know, take a millennial to lunch or whatever. And you know, I've got two mentors, one them moves in his seventies and one of them who's in his late twenties and you know, we've heard him manufacturing, I'm throwing this out primarily for our manufacturers who are trying to train to get traction with people with their products. But you know, we've heard just in time manufacturing, right where you just build it at the last second, but with this cat's about, and what the millennials are about, it's called just in time learning. In other words, if you give them a manual, they're not going to start at chapter one and go all the way through. They're going to hop in where they want to hop in and then they'll go around it however they do it. So, and I think in a way that's a lot better, uh, I think they can get up to speed a lot faster and they're willing to make mistakes along the way. But for guys like me and you and Kenny is like, no, you start on page one and well, you know what the Eric, your, your your point. It's so true. Uh, in other words, we're seeing this, uh, I took a look at some of the new education going on in, in public schools and grade schools, and then we're not a young students are not learning how to write cursive anymore and how it's been antiquated and how it's a, it's a barrier to learning enhancement learning. But if you talked about the community of practice, can, you know, you had, uh, you had, uh, an initiative back when you were doing your collaboratorium that was kind of, you were creating that, uh, that exact community of, of, uh, you know, practitioners that were the experts. And then, and then to your point, Eric, you're absolutely right. Just in time learning. In fact, remember Ken, you did the didactic you were talking to, you were the first person that I read the didactic. Ken Smyers: I said, I just use words. I can't say. Yeah, yeah. You, so you said that what's going to happen is we need to put all this stuff into some sort of forum that's available and it has the archives from a to z and then that anybody that wants to learn really quickly can, can enter any part of that, that 20 year swing that you put onto your website and pull down meaning from it, and then just learn what they need to learn to get by the next thing. And Eric remember, we did a thing with a wearable technologies, how they said it's the only way they're going to keep, you know, to produce results in the medical fields and the gas and oil fields. And now we're gonna see it. You know, building automation is, you're going to have a home base and the rest is going to be camera and somebody at the site's going to be to say Turner wrench to the right. Three quarters turn. Good. Stop. Okay. What's, what's the pressure reading again? Show me, you know, so that that's the way the world's going to work because you just, you won't be, you won't have the luxury of time. So it's more efficient. Right? You won't have electric, can't get a semester's worth learning anymore, you know, so you can't read the preface and the epilogue. You gotta just get to page 38 were, tells you how, but with a point of dinner is made now knowledge a very democratic in its not for the, the fewest for anybody that wants to learn can learn, which is the really exciting thing about it. And so for our community out there thought cybersecurity was out of your purview,Ken Sinclair, begs to differ with you. Just go to his April edition and you can be a cybersecurity cop, Billy the Kid Rios. Ken Sinclair: Good stuff. Okay. The other thing I think we have to look at is we have to look at a ControlTrends.com is definitely a community of practice and a, your company as well, Kenneth and automated buildings is a community of practice. Uh, and it's interesting that, that you go into these communities of practice and then inside of each community of practice is a unique one such as Haystack Connect is inside of that and inside the haystack is a sand star, uh, community. So all these little communities are the mosaic that, that build us. And if you want to get going fast, you have to just, you have to go to the community that you need, you need to interface with to do whatever it is you want. Once you get to that community because they're all online. The other thing you didn't mention about how the young folks learn is that we, uh, they can just send out a blog message and they just ask. They just say, I'm trying to do this. I've read, they always have the politeness that they've read through everything the community has talked about. And somebody said this to even pick up on a piece of that and said, I need more information about that. Then you'd be unbelievable. The whole community jumps in and helps them. They're very collaborative. I think we grew up in a time where we, we kind of, we had to do it on our own and we were very proud of that machiavellian Eric Stromquist: my number, can I, how I'm going to take another step out of it was a competitive advantage to know something somebody else didn't know that Internet changed that. So the youngsters who are coming along, you know, you know, good blind horse, why hoard information, but back when, back in the day, I mean, if you knew how to calibrate something, somebody else didn't, that was your differentiator in business. But knowledge now is, uh, I just keep saying democratic. Can we get gimme the vogue vocabulary word for it, Kenny, that, uh, where it's a ubiquitous or, uh, that was, it's not for the democracy of, of, of what we're doing is basically, it's, it's, Ken Sinclair: yeah, it looks I know what you're saying, Eric. I'll think of it in a second. But you don't see, knowledge is no longer elitist, right? Well, you know, you, you and I went to Scotland at one time and that's where it really hit me the hardest. I mean, uh, the, the way the cat gets out of the bag and the printing press and, and when they said that the one, the rich benefactor for Edinburgh said, I'm going to make everybody learn how to read. And he paid for it and he then suddenly children were learning how to read and write and it went, it went backwards on it. Instead of reading right in the Bible, they became political. They, they came politically unrested but to your point, a printing press changed everything because I had knowledge and, and so I think that was, that was step one. Step two was probably the Internet, right? I mean, wow. That's, I think that's the analogy I was trying to make is that the Internet was designed for certain things and all these processional items you work per session. We have no idea what's going to go. In fact, I was reading an article the other day about apple and some of the other people, uh, they're thinking they've gone to a, met with the president and they're talking about re organizing the United States, his approach to education because we're so we're falling so far behind the world because we're playing all these education process leads to a dead end. It doesn't lead to fermenting exciting people. And they want people to, you know, apple, uh, executives were explaining, if you let these kids play with technology and they take a tech technological path that they're not going to be interested in geography or history, they're going to be at their aptitude, say, let me play with his stuff and learn how to program. So the whole thing is to how do we get more programmers and how do we get that step, you know, the sciences, the technologies, you know, how do we get people involved in anymore like they did back in the 50s when we're having this space race. You know, all of a sudden we produced massive amounts of engineers, mathematicians, physic, uh, you know, uh, you know, PhDs in physics. And, and just, you know, because of the educational process drove in that direction and led to outcomes that we're producing. We're engineers. So we're seeing this come up, uh, you know, our whole Orthodox approach towards education is being, is being reevaluated. Ken Smyers: What about in Canada? Again, Canada, Canada, is it, is educational system really geared up towards the sort of technological revolution? Like, you know, Ken suggestion, we're not necessarily doing the stakes. Ken Sinclair: Yeah. Not where, what's going on in the states, but I'm actually reasonably close to like local school because we've got a granddaughter. It's a great, uh, six and uh, and yeah, they, they use the web a lot. Uh, basically, uh, what's going on is on the school, there's a class website and basically what's going on, who's doing well, what events are coming up. Uh, that's all that's all documented. But to Ken's remark, I wanted to, wanted to just say that when, when we started in this industry, you guys probably had a better idea than anybody cause your fathers were in the industry. So you followed your father's in. But for a guy like me, I mean I'm on the farm. Uh, and uh, it's pretty hard to imagine what I'm going to be when I grow up. And also information is very hard to come by and to try and discover your passion. Uh, it just sorta has to evolve. And you basically, the first job you took had a lot to do with where you ended up working. Uh, now we have the situation that you can spend hours, days, years, uh, surfing the web and you can find something that is incredibly intriguing to you. And then you say, I'd want to be one of those guys. And then you start learning that from the community of practice. So it's, it's kind of that, that thing has been completely reversed. If you think about when we came into the market, what are we going to do? Uh, now the kids can, they, they've all got a good idea what they want to do because they saw something on a youtube that looked pretty fun. Well said. Well said. So tell us some more by controls. Come for a minute because you're going to be a keynote speaker up there. Uh, would you be giving it away if you tell us what you're going to talk about or, or, and if our community have to remind what controls Khan is and why they should go, how by giving the, the sort of the Canadian elevator speech, if you will. Okay. Okay. At Scott, he involved me in this and I, I frankly, I got to go to admit that when he asked me, it was like, you sure you want me? Cause cause it's a, it's a systems integrators, uh, uh, meeting is, that is the gist of it. And every time I talked to the systems integrators, they're doing more than I'm writing about. I, I have this perception that I'm on the leading bleeding edge. And, uh, uh, every time I talked to someone like Jason Hoc, I'll, uh, uh, yeah, I find out a whole bunch of stuff they're actually doing that I haven't even thought of or haven't wrote about. So, uh, I was, I was wondering what I was doing there to get up to speed. So I think what I'm doing there is to just maybe a, explain the, uh, the perception of time, uh, and just the whole, you know, 50 years in the industry who actually seen an industry go from pneumatics to a AI and just seeing all of the people, uh, part of it, uh, I think the other message is, is that we're all struggling, uh, great. Now to extend our best by date because the technology's changing so fast. We become obsolete and moments. And my only the fence for that is to, uh, basically grow younger and I've found out how to do that and how to grow younger is basically to look at all of our problems and stuff through the minds of our young mentors and, uh, who have grown up as digital natives. So I think that's, that's sort of the gist of the message is too dry and do that. The other one that is, I'm, I'm coming around to is the fact that there are a tremendous amount of women in the wings in our industry who have basically been a personal assistance for powerful people. And they have an amazing amount of information in their minds. Uh, and some of them don't want to be mainstream, but that doesn't matter because they can be very useful remote. Ken Smyers: So my reach out the episode is out, uh, this is a potential for our industry. Probably within your companies, you have exactly the same thing as somebody who's been quietly sitting over there in the corner and has been, you know, organizing all these products and stuff like that. They have a tremendous amount of information and they can actually be very quickly on leashed in a AI or a machine learning type of environment and they can be, uh, very quickly get us up to speed. So I think we're all looking for how can we get new people into the industry. So those younger mentors combined with our younger mentors. And uh, and the other comment I always make is anytime I talked to my younger mentors, there are comment back is they say, you should see what these kids are doing. They're looking at the next generation. And these are kids, I dunno, there, I call them digital natives. I don't know what, uh, these other ones are like a digital, maybe digital immigrants, let's call them that. Digital immigrants. They basically come from a world that they don't know. They don't know reality. They never, they've never experienced reality. They've only definitely I to tell you real quick, uh, yesterday I'm driving home from the office, you know, coming home and it's Friday and Fridays are my favorite day other than Saturday his, but anyhow, the phone rings. It's my daughter calling from San Diego, I think. So I hit the button, hello? Hello Lo. Nothing's there. I can hear noise in the background and I'm like, what the heck? You know, so I got a little concerned so I hang up my call her back. And by then she rang regain control of her phone. Her five month old daughter, my granddaughter apparently picked up her phone, not even really picked it up. She said she was like, she was, they hold the phone to her. We do so many of these, uh, you know, whatsapp videos. We get to see credible. And so the technology, I'm like you, I love every day that there's something new going on because I still can't, I pinched myself to think of how crazy, you know, this iPhone is and how to talk to Germany and I pay for it. And it sent a video where after you to take, or to shoot it live, it's just, we got to, you got to do more of it. And, and, but um, you know, five months old tap in the phone because she's been put it in front of her all the time to show, you know, grand the grandparents in Pittsburgh with what's going on. So they do a video. So she's so used to that phone being part of her environment that she's like in front of a phone and then they, we reversed it so she could see what we look like. You know, we keep saying the same thing to her that she could recognize our voices. So, to your point about the digital native, I mean, we have no idea that somebody, uh, as a, as an infant, you know, learning about technology and playing with technology and not reaching for things that they don't have to reach for. , people don't want to get out of their chairs anymore to run over to the thermostat and turn it up or down or turn the fan up to speed or whatever. Or to dim the lights or to close the blinds. I mean, why should they want to just hit their phone and say, you know, boom, up, down, cold or warm or whatever. I mean, and, and to have that mentality when you come into your workplace and to see where we're, you know, state of affairs. And one more thing can I loved you said about the best buy, best sold by and the shelf life. So where do we sit in the scheme of things? We're, we're like the canned goods up on top of it. Shelf, don't eat, don't drink this milk. Yeah, I got a kick out of that. Anyhow. Well. Yeah, I titled, I think I'm going to title my, uh, my keynote is the next 50 years. So as you can imagine, that might be a stretch for me. But anyway, back to the other comment about how the, the digital natives or the, uh, the digital immigrants, I think I liked that. I think we should call these the, the next, the next wave. We've got the digital natives that are pretty comfortable with all this technology, but the digital immigrants are these kids that are coming up now that have they lived, never lived in a real world. They've only lived in the virtual world anyway. When they, they looked at your problem of raising the blind. I mean, the first thing they say, well can't they just talked to my whatsapp and say, what's that blind 50%? And it knows by where I am that that happens. You know, like why wouldn't you just do that over all of this stuff? They don't, the newer group is not the digital Emeris Ted there digitally and titled Digital Trust Fund Babies. But your point, I mean, the more we learn about it in our, our realm, the other day I had to convert a bunch of Celsius to Fahrenheit and I did the old nine over five and I'm thinking, what am I doing? So I just said, Hey Siri, what's 50 degrees centigrade? The set points, you know, whatever, boom. I mean it just came right back to me, you know, told me the degree is 120 degrees or whatever it wasn't and I thought, or 170 whatever. And I'm thinking, why is my brain not letting me access and avail all this technology? Why am I so, you know, determined to do it the hard way. And I think it's just conditioning. So the two year younger mentorship and having somebody aboard, like you were saying, Eric, you know, it's just to remind you that you don't have to do it the old school way, that there's a option and the option might save you a lot of time about energy that you can get more done, more efficiently. So that's kind of cool. And then the kids taking a picture of everything, hey, you'll be writing down a number or something. They saw something you want to buy or something on a thing and, and they look at you and they go click, click. I wouldn't, why, why would you write that down? Right? Why would you do anything? And of course the other thing is, Oh I actually, I got a good story about that. We were uh, we were lost in the train station, then a Roman, our ride was trying to find us and that's what he said. You said just hold your phone up and take a picture of where you are and then I'll know where you are and Oh, you're on the other side of the term when all he said, as soon as we send them a picture. So basically he's on whatsapp and we took here's a picture and then he knew where he worked cause our English or Irish, Italian wasn't that good. But uh, a picture's worth a thousand words. You're on the other side. You're not, you're not on the right side. You said, I'm just going to park my car and I'm going to come and get you. Yeah, I probably at that same spot. You are a canon. Not I want to go there. You were carrying stuff the baby buggy and are no cars. Car seat. What all do you have? I saw the picture that I'm glad I didn't have to do that. Oh Man. I'll tell you what Ken and almost kill me. What their travel with the small kids and my wife's brother, uh, had a destination wedding and then on top of that it was black tie. There was an extra suitcase to carry all the, the black ties and do, it was just, it was nuts carrying luggage around. But anyway, I survived. I'm better for it as Nietzsche said. What your wife does doesn't kill you, will make you better. I can't. So we get, we'll see at haystack we will see you. Uh, obviously a Cochran, uh, April issue is out automated buildings.com. You definitely want to check that out. What don't you got before we hop off here? My friend? Well, I guess we'll all have to put her Elvis Skosh Shims on and go to real calm and Nashville. Right? Eric Stromquist: Absolutely. You're going to be down there for sure. Right? Ken Sinclair: Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't going to, but Scotty talked me into it so, oh man, I'll never forget it. Yeah, I'll never forget the time. It was so much fun and hopefully you'll do this with us again was, well I think the last one I saw you, I was a maybe San Antonio, but remember you and me and Theresa and Kenny, we'd always do our day one, day two recap. So cause we can't you on and being a recap or with this. Sure. That sounds good. Yeah, it looks like a lot of stuff going on there as well. Actually I in my never my never ending article, I also tagged on a uh, their cybersecurity a day before event that's going on as well. Cause I thought that was a kind of fit in, well with this whole cyber cyber security resource. I'm kind of trying to kind of put this thing is it's just a link to where everything that's sort of happening in the industry. And at the bottom of that is I've got these three events we've just talked about as well. So, Hey, I do, I'm going to say one more thing before I forget. Uh, controlled trans for anybody out in it's still not, has not yet signed up for controls con 2019 it's May 2nd May 3rd in Detroit at the motor city casino, we have a 10% discount. If you go on now to the website and you register and you putting controlled trends under the discount code, you get a 10% discount. And also with real calm, I be con 2014, June 11th through the 14th down in Nashville, Tennessee. We also have a ControlTrends.com Discount 10%. Uh, and, and when you register, you put it in and it gives you, actually, you have to go to our website and get the discount code. So I'm sorry it's not, it does not ControlTrends.com Is the ControlTrends discount, but there's a number, a little code you put in there and it'll save you 10% so you want to put that plug in there. Eric Stromquist: Excellent. All right, I can't send ken Sinclair, Automated buildings.com check it out Ken. Thanks so much as always man. We can't wait to see you next month and if you have something in between now and then don't be a stranger. Okay. Alright, thanks guys. Great stuff from Kensen queers always in. Hey Man. Yeah. We even talk about all those other great articles that are on automated buildings.com. So be sure to go to check out automated buildings.com the April issue cause there's a ton of other stuff on there. And Man, speaking of phenomenal stuff, our man Mark Pete Talk, in addition to being the master of ceremonies of the controlled trends towards, in addition to being the guy that broke Cindy Crawford's heart, New York City back in the day in New York City when we got started in advertising now he and the team at Lynx Spring had been acknowledged by frost and Sullivan. Kenny, I've got to get this right so I'm actually going to do, I want to read it. 2019. Global Iot and smart buildings, customer value leadership award. Way To go, Terry Swope. Way To go, Bob [inaudible] way to go. Mark p talk way to go. Everybody at the Lynxspring Group could get group of guys. It's nice to see that frost and Sullivan is acknowledging them. Ken Smyers: Congratulations job. It's, uh, well the, uh, the big phrase to eat, to eat platform provides exceptional service delivery and value enhancements through a well synchronized suite of solutions to ensure timely integration with a smart building infrastructure. And it has earned his stripes and, uh, congratulations to a very successful team with a lot, a lot, a lot of motivation, a lot of passion, a lot of initiatives. So they, they basically took that product platform, uh, from over here, kind of an obscure location to a front, front, front vendor position. And, uh, it's, people are asking for it now. So, and listen for our young guns, you might not know when we talk about Cindy Crawford and mark in the 80s, there was an error of the supermodel, Cindy Crawford, Linda vaginal, sleazy, Naomi Campbell and all that. And speaking of that, you know, I just got a, there's a text on the Facebook messenger here from a see Crawford going, how old are married now? Hey, mark, it's me, Cindy Holler, whatever that means. So mark, you'll just do what that, what you'll do with it. So one more thing. I just want to say that, uh, you know, much of the technology is available through the built environment, depends on systems integrator. So link Spring Pa did the channel of approximately 250 systems integrated partners throughout North America and a few select international countries to support the built environment effectively. So again, well done. Well done guys. Well I'm for sure I Kenny, what's, what's gonna be our deep dive posts of the weakness acres. We've got a bunch of them. Well, I took the uh, but we can only do one. Well I think what we have to do is we have to say that, uh, you know, one of the biggest hit posts that we've ever seen of all time was the two way three way valve diverting mixing and the second largest, uh, post performance was on gas pressure regulators. And you did a nice little, a presentation from the HVAC Tech SChooll from HVAC Tech SChool Play list,. gas pressure pressure regulators made easy. So tell us a little bit about that. I think that was posted the week. Well, thanks buddy. I appreciate that. So we got to go back to what we've been telling our community a little bit that we're really torn up the youtube channel because we get more content up there quicker. So might not always make it to the control trans.com website. But uh, so we, we created a playlist of you will called HVAC Tech School, this on the youtube channel. Some of these make it over to controltrends.com. Not all of them, but yeah, the gas pressure regulators made easy, uh, you know, how to install them, how they work. We actually take one apart so you can look at it, see how it works of your answers and gas regulators at all. And apparently there are a lot of people who do, you can check that out. It's actually on controlled trends as well as the controtrends, smart buildings, youtube channel. So I encourage you to subscribe to that if you haven't already. We'll put a link for that in the show notes. So that's a big one in the two and three way valves. Again, sometimes a picture's worth a thousand stories, a thousand words county. So we know we're trying to create video content that takes some of these concepts that can be complicated and make them really simple and we'll build off of those. So we're going to keep putting those up on the youtube channel and then, well no, a lot of them make it over the controltrends.com Website too. But another massively hit, and this is only available on the ControlTrends Smart Buildings, youtube channel is the midweek review, which uh, one of the smartest guys here on the podcast a does, which is Ken Smyres. So talk about the med review again,Kenny. For our listeners who might know about that and tell them what you do on that and why they, why this is disrupted. He usually do youtube channel so they can get that. Well I appreciate that Eric. I didn't have makeup on a day. There's makeup squad wasn't around so, but you know what I want to be because if you are where big trouble, I was just trying to say something it on there because that was a fast and furious post and the reason why it's like you said, we had so many dates that were coming closer to windows where you had, you know, sign up by today and you look for, or you would forfeit the opportunity for a discount, whatever. So we had the midweek review is to give somebody a three to four minute synopsis of all the industry events that are coming in the next 60 to 90 days except for our Smart Building ControlTrends Awards, which is going to be February 2nd, 2020 but tomorrow when your calendar in case you're driving somewhere and you listen to the show or whatever and you have an opportunity or you're, you're, you're listening or you're watching but you don't have a whole lot of time trying to give people a synopsis, a real short sweet list of what's going on and where it's at and what the dates of signup are. So you know, I covered the, the, the controls con coming up May 2nd, third and we controlled trans as a discount coupon there. So if you go onto and registering, you putting controlled trends, uh, we have the CIO event coming up in Europe and we'll be putting a post up on that too. But there's registrations and you take advantage of them. Uh, we're going to put some other information about the travel costs, whatever, just to lure people into a different alternative vacation this year because you'd kill business and pleasure in the same event. Uh, we have the project haystack out there in California. The, the, uh, what's that going to be? That's the 11th through the 13th, I think. Right. But that's why even I have to refer to it because there's so much going on. And then you go to the 19th through the 21st is the CIO and Amsterdam and then you turn around, you've got a real calm, I become in June leverages, so you're doing the conferences, but you're also doing it. And to Kenny's point, what, what, who is trying to be as on Wednesday afternoon, you can take that, that you can just click on that video, you get an update. But things like if there's a recall, if there is something going on in the industry, if there's a cyber security alert, something going on with Niagara or something like that where you need to know something immediately, what we're trying to do is just make it easy for you to consume. That could control is unique you can use, right? And so Kenny does a great job of that. So it's not just conferences, it could be a new product release, it can be news you could use. And I think that's the point of a Kenny just trying to break it down short, simple, sweet. You go to the youtube channel, you quick on this actually if you did the youtube channel, you just cooked a little alarm button, you'll be notified when this comes out. And uh, so he can hit on that. And then obviously on controlled trance.com you get this show, the long winded version. Well, and then when we take our time and we make it happen, Eric Stromquist: I'll speak into the long winded version. Uh, what can Steve jobs teach us about the smart buildings controls revolution. Now I got to kick of the stretch you made there. But actually after watching that again, cause I had watched that before, you actually did make sense about what it's all about. The marketing, how, you know, it's taken for granted. It's a critical function, but it's changing. It's evolving. It was infused with social media. And if you didn't handle it right, you lost, you lost a lot of your mainstream. Uh, but today you send papers out in the, in memory, so much marketing, it wouldn't even open up the envelope. You literally just took it from your inbox to the trashcan. So those days have certainly changed. The people don't like to take catalogs anymore, whatever. So we were seeing the thumb drive, you know, uh, became the big thing. And even that, starting to, I heard a, a vendor tell a group of people that were looking for, they used to get thumb drives every time they had the presentation. I guess there's no marketing says you've got to go on, go on our website. It's all there. There's no sense putting them into these um, drives. Cause as soon as we get them done, they're obsolete because they're old and antiquated and we've added new products and it's not serving the purpose it was intended to. Well listen, I encouraging of the website is so about a five minute talk that I've found that Steve jobs did and many considerate the greatest marketing message ever and it led to the one what many consider the greatest marketing campaign ever. And like I said, rather than Kenny and give you our take on it. I mean it affected me enough. I just went, holy smokes made so much sense in my, what I'm basically saying is, hey listen to it or watch it. I should sound control with each on comments. We'd love know what you think. But I think there's so much wisdom and just how, cause he's basically addressing his, his stockholders and then staff. Right. And, and it was a radical concept as he's addressing them. And that you kind of can almost hear a pen drop. You're kind of going, well, they're not going to like this. And you kind of starts out and makes a statement and he kind of goes from there and by the time he's done with you, you're going, and this too, just got it right. So it's not necessarily what you think about is how you think about something. And I think that that message carries forward to our industry. Every single one of our companies in our industry, I think can learn something from, from this. So please check it out if you check nothing else on Controltrends.com site and check that out and reach out and comments. Let me know what you think and, and Kenny what you'd think. And Hey, you know, we'd love, we'd love to share it. I thought no, it was, pardon me. Putting that up here is, I think this needs to be not just a post and needs to be an ongoing dialogue and needs used to be a dialectic. There's my vocab word for the week, Kevin, that we carry forward as an industry that, that helps us hall, uh, as we move forward in this incredible industry we're involved all involved in. Ken Smyers: Right. We had one more shoutout section here and just the, our Linkedin, you know, the, the folks that say good things about us on Linkedin and, uh, some congratulations for birthdays, a Adam, I'll pull grab ya from Poland. He's the chief Ito Iot, Bam. B a s P, m, a s h VAC executive, uh, says a, you know, he's watching our controlled trends. We've got Travis curr had a birthday. Uh, he had a art hicks had a birthday. Darlene pope changed job. She now works with the, we work. So, uh, Darlene and Lindsay Baker together. Oh Gosh. Yeah, yeah. Two of the brightest women on the planet together. Whoa man. We want to come to, we works and we've got a worked in Hershey Holler. Well, you don't have to cheat. She was always, she, she, she fast tracked everything. You know, she was really smart. She was just a great speaker. I remember, remember how we got involved with her? Uh, she went to work with the Jones, Jj, Jj Jones. Lang Lasalle. Yeah. And so, uh, well she's just a, she's burning, burning, burning to the ground here. It would probably say here, hopefully see her and Lindsay at Haystack, uh, connect, but hey, good. Seriously. That would be a great show Lindsey. And uh, and I know Darlene on at the same time. All right. Then real quickly we have worked anniversaries for Eddie Turner, uh, Stacie O'leary and Richard Satchel, so, well, there you go. Yeah. Right. Well listen, last big thing is definitely check out the Egio collateral that uh, that we just put up. A man eight is going to be quite the event and Amsterdam. Kenny and I will be there, but I think if you look at the collateral we just posted on the site, you're going to be just amazed. They're easy. I would just us things, top hat, and this is going to be an amazing coffee. It's going to be a really great show. It's going to be your product roadmapping, it's going to be networking. It's going to be an exciting partying. There's going to be a tax deduction. It's going to be partying cause mad Mike Marston, him and his buddies. Uh Oh. What? Oh, I know Johann Roxborough. What? What's the big deal? You don't want to hurt man. I tell you what, it's like hanging out with Russell brand man. But they get a whole new, it's a whole new staff. I mean, uh, Johann has retold his whole European division people. It's going to be cool. It's going to be great. Be there or what? The square where. All right. There you go. All right. So there you go. That's another week on control talk. Now you're smart buildings, video by video cast and podcasts. A special thanks to our guests as we can auto sing choir. Be sure to check out automated buildings, Dotcom. Com by April. First issue is ah, and it is so worth reading. So with that Kenny Smyres, remember be bold. Stay in control. I'm doing Mourinho sweat. 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