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Avalanches killed 37 people in the U.S. last winter, making it the most deadly season in modern history. Why was 2020-2021 so dangerous, and how can we avoid avalanches this winter? Get the answers to these burning questions in our new winter safety series, dropping on the Out and Back podcast today.In this four-part series, avalanche forecasters expose the factors that played into last season's tragic fatalities. Tune in to hear the details of one of the most chilling avalanche accidents in Utah's history. Learn how seasoned ski mountaineers make the tough decision to turn around in the mountains. And let a national avalanche expert walk you through the best way to read an avalanche forecast so you can be as prepared as possible on your next adventure.Listen to all four binge-worthy episodes at once, or pick them up in a random order. However you listen — don't delay. Each episode gives you real, actionable insights that you can put to use in your next winter adventure.Episode 43: How Last Winter Became the Deadliest Avalanche Season of All TimeLast winter was nothing short of a perfect storm. A dangerously weak snowpack plagued the entire nation. At the same time, people were hungrier than ever for fresh air and fun. This deadly combination clouded people's judgment and put them at greater risk, says Ethan Greene, Director of the Colorado Avalanche Information Center. “Part of what we saw last year, I think, was that we were all living in a difficult environment,” Greene says. “And that made it hard going to the grocery store. It made it hard going to school. It made work hard. And when we had time away from those stresses and got to go into the mountains, it made making decisions in avalanche terrain difficult.” The unusual circumstances also brought with it surprising demographics. Greene distills the statistics to tell us what age group, gender, and experience level was most at-risk for getting caught in an avalanche. The answers may surprise you. Plus, Greene takes a look at the way conditions are stacking up for this season. Don't get your hopes up. This season could be shaping up to be just as dangerous as the last.Episode 44: Lessons from Utah's Wilson Glade AvalancheLast February, two separate backcountry ski parties headed out for what they thought was lower-angle, safer terrain in the Wilson Glade area of Utah's Wasatch Mountains. The avalanche risk was high that day but they were prepared. Both groups studied the avalanche forecast, made conservative travel plans, and carried all the right safety gear into the mountains. But, precautions aside, the two parties were swept away in a colossal slide. Four of eight people died. What went wrong?Avalanche Forecaster Nikki Champion of the Utah Avalanche Center, investigated the accident. She gives her best insights on the lessons that can be gleaned from this tragic incident.“I think this accident really hit home with a lot of backcountry users,” Champion says. “Because it was a lot of decisions that most of us could see ourselves making: being in lower-angle terrain, traveling one at a time, skiing the slope multiple times and not seeing any obvious red flags in that area.”Champion walks us through what we can learn from this tragic accident. Learn about how to spot and avoid connected terrain. Become more aware of uphill travel. Hear how one survivor's quick thinking and rescue skills saved the lives of others.Episode 45: How to Avoid Summit Fever with Ski Mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain KuoIn the fall of 2021, ski mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain Kuo attempted an unsupported, first ski descent of the world's seventh tallest peak — Mount Dhualagiri in Nepal. They spent weeks advancing to the mountain's 26,795-foot summit, but high winds and increasing avalanche danger held them back from the top. After months of planning and training, Smithwick and Kuo were forced to retreat, leaving the ski record on the table for another day. The decision to turn around didn't come easy for Smithwick and Kuo. But sticking with an objective mindset helped them come to the right conclusion. Their number one tip? Erase any assumption of how things will play out. “I have zero expectations going into the mountains,” Smithwick says. “I'm like, wow, the car started, we're leaving town. Great. Let's celebrate that. Okay guys, everyone celebrate.”Smithwick and Kuo review the decision to call it quits just shy of Dhualagiri's unusually harsh and exposed summit. They check their decision-making process and their egos against the popular FACETS acronym that is widely taught in Avalanche 1 courses. Tune in to this conversation to learn where Smithwick and Kuo nailed the human factors, along with a few vulnerabilities that they work to keep in check. Episode 46: How to Read the Avalanche ForecastChecking the avalanche forecast should be at the top of your safety checklist. It predicts the avalanche danger for your favorite zones and gives you a heads up on worrisome problems within the snowpack. But how much stock can you really put into the daily avy forecast report? US Forest Service avalanche expert Simon Trautman says avalanche forecasts should be the building block for planning a safe day in the backcountry. However, once your feet are on the snow the forecast always takes a back seat to your observations in the field, Trautman says. “The whole point behind the avalanche forecast is that they're a starting point for your daily planning,” Trautman says. “But people need to understand that what they're doing is providing an expert's idea of a pattern that exists across the landscape. They're great resources but it's kind of like a weather forecast. If you get out there and it said 'no rain' and it starts raining on you, you need to reassess and you need to figure out what that means for your plan that day. Do you just continue to have your picnic or do you change plans?” Tune in as Trautman dissects the avalanche forecast into manageable sections. He teaches us the first things to look at and how to get the most out of the avalanche forecast when planning your next tour.Episode 20: Avalanche Safety Tips with Bruce TremperIf you need more ammo in your avalanche safety arsenal, go back and listen to Out and Back's episode 20 with renowned avalanche expert Bruce Tremper. Author of Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain and Avalanche Essentials, Tremper draws on his 30-plus year career in snow science to give us his masterful tips for avoiding avalanches. His advice is pretty simple: stick to low-angle terrain.“Whenever there is uncertainty in the snowpack, the terrain is always the answer,” Tremper says. “You can cut your risk in half from going from 39 degrees down to 34 degrees. And you can cut your risk in half once again by going from 34 degrees down to 30 degrees. The handiest tool that you can use in all the world of avalanches is slope steepness.”Learn Tremper's low risk safety ritual and get some advice on what to do if the unthinkable happens and you get caught in an avalanche.Episode 21: Buried Alive — Bruce Tremper Tells His StoryIt's almost impossible to grasp the power and force of avalanches, unless of course you've actually been caught in one. Avalanche expert Bruce Tremper brings us a little closer to that experience with his story about how he triggered — and was buried in — an avalanche in Montana. He describes the feeling of having the “rug pulled out” from under his skis, being swept down the steep mountain, and what it felt like when the avalanche finally roared to a stop. Go back to episode 21 of the Out and Back podcast to get the blow-by-blow from Tremper on how he survived the avalanche that should have killed him. Tap into these Avalanche Safety ResourcesVisit avalanche.org for safety resources and avalanche forecasts in your area. Sign up for avalanche awareness and rescue courses with American Institute for Avalanche Research and Education. Watch the Know Before You Go video to get pumped about avalanche safety. Also, don't forget to snag that sweet 40-percent off on a Gaia GPS Premium Membership through the end of 2021. With Gaia GPS Premium, you can download maps for offline navigation and access our entire map collection, including a trove of layers that are useful for winter backcountry travel. Check out the 3D satellite imagery, our flagship Gaia Winter, avalanche forecast maps, slope angle shading, daily 24-hour snow totals and density readings, and current, 24-hour, and 48-hour snow accumulation forecasts maps for a complete picture of weather conditions on the ground.   Finally, we thank all the hard working folks at the avalanche centers across the U.S. and Canada. We ask that you consider donating to your local forecast centers so they can keep those essential avalanche forecasts coming your way. 

Avalanches killed 37 people in the U.S. last winter, making it the most deadly season in modern history. Why was 2020-2021 so dangerous, and how can we avoid avalanches this winter? Get the answers to these burning questions in our new winter safety series, dropping on the Out and Back podcast today.In this four-part series, avalanche forecasters expose the factors that played into last season's tragic fatalities. Tune in to hear the details of one of the most chilling avalanche accidents in Utah's history. Learn how seasoned ski mountaineers make the tough decision to turn around just shy of the summit. And get a crash course on how to read an avalanche forecast so you can be as prepared as possible on your next winter adventure.Listen to all four binge-worthy episodes at once, or pick them up in a random order. However you listen — don't delay. Each episode gives you real, actionable insights that you can put to use in your next winter adventure.Episode 43: How Last Winter Became the Deadliest Avalanche Season of All TimeLast winter was nothing short of a perfect storm. A dangerously weak snowpack plagued the entire nation. At the same time, people were hungrier than ever for fresh air and fun. This deadly combination clouded people's judgment and put them at greater risk, says Ethan Greene, Director of the Colorado Avalanche Information Center. “Part of what we saw last year, I think, was that we were all living in a difficult environment,” Greene says. “And that made it hard going to the grocery store. It made it hard going to school. It made work hard. And when we had time away from those stresses and got to go into the mountains, it made making decisions in avalanche terrain difficult.” The unusual circumstances also brought with it surprising demographics. Greene distills the statistics to tell us what age group, gender, and experience level was most at-risk for getting caught in an avalanche. Plus, Greene takes a look at the way conditions are stacking up for this season. Don't get your hopes up. This season could be shaping up to be just as dangerous as the last.Episode 44: Lessons from Utah's Wilson Glade AvalancheLast February, two separate backcountry ski parties headed out for what they thought was lower-angle, safer terrain in the Wilson Glade area of Utah's Wasatch Mountains. The avalanche risk was high that day but they were prepared. Both groups studied the avalanche forecast, made conservative travel plans, and carried all the right safety gear into the mountains. But, all precautions aside, the two parties were swept away in a colossal avalanche. Four of eight people on the mountain died that day. What went wrong?Avalanche Forecaster Nikki Champion of the Utah Avalanche Center, investigated the accident. She gives her best insights on the lessons that can be gleaned from this tragic incident.“I think this accident really hit home with a lot of backcountry users,” Champion says. “Because it was a lot of decisions that most of us could see ourselves making: being in lower-angle terrain, traveling one at a time, skiing the slope multiple times, and not seeing any obvious red flags in that area.”Champion walks us through the details of this tragic accident. Learn how to spot and avoid connected terrain. Become more aware of uphill travel. Hear how one survivor's quick thinking and rescue skills saved the lives of others.Episode 45: How to Avoid Summit Fever with Ski Mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain KuoIn the fall of 2021, ski mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain Kuo attempted an unsupported, first ski descent of the world's seventh tallest peak — Mount Dhualagiri in Nepal. They spent weeks advancing to the mountain's 26,795-foot summit, but high winds and increasing avalanche danger held them back from the top. After months of planning and training, Smithwick and Kuo were forced to retreat, leaving the ski record on the table for another day. The decision to turn around didn't come easy for Smithwick and Kuo. But sticking with an objective mindset helped them come to the right conclusion. Their number one tip? Erase any assumption of how things will play out. “I have zero expectations going into the mountains,” Smithwick says. “I'm like, wow, the car started, we're leaving town. Great. Let's celebrate that. Okay guys, everyone celebrate.”Smithwick and Kuo review the decision to call it quits just shy of Dhualagiri's unusually harsh and exposed summit. They check their decision-making process and their egos against the popular FACETS acronym that is widely taught in Avalanche 1 courses. Tune in to this conversation to learn where Smithwick and Kuo nailed the human factors, along with a few vulnerabilities that they work to keep in check. Episode 46: How to Read the Avalanche ForecastChecking the avalanche forecast should be at the top of your safety checklist. It predicts the avalanche danger for your favorite zones and gives you a heads up on worrisome problems within the snowpack. But how much stock can you really put into the daily avy forecast report? US Forest Service avalanche expert Simon Trautman says avalanche forecasts should be the building block for planning a safe day in the backcountry. However, once your feet are on the snow the forecast always takes a back seat to your observations in the field, Trautman says. “The whole point behind the avalanche forecast is that they're a starting point for your daily planning,” Trautman says. “But people need to understand that what they're doing is providing an expert's idea of a pattern that exists across the landscape. They're great resources but it's kind of like a weather forecast. If you get out there and it said 'no rain' and it starts raining on you, you need to reassess and you need to figure out what that means for your plan that day. Do you just continue to have your picnic or do you change plans?” Tune in as Trautman dissects the avalanche forecast into manageable sections. He teaches us the bottom line and how to get the most out of the avalanche forecast when planning your next winter tour.Episode 20: Avalanche Safety Tips with Bruce TremperIf you need more ammo in your avalanche safety arsenal, go back and listen to Out and Back's episode 20 with renowned avalanche expert Bruce Tremper. Author of Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain and Avalanche Essentials, Tremper draws on his 30-plus year career in snow science to give us his masterful tips for avoiding avalanches. His advice is pretty simple: stick to low-angle terrain.“Whenever there is uncertainty in the snowpack, the terrain is always the answer,” Tremper says. “You can cut your risk in half from going from 39 degrees down to 34 degrees. And you can cut your risk in half once again by going from 34 degrees down to 30 degrees. The handiest tool that you can use in all the world of avalanches is slope steepness.”Learn Tremper's low risk safety ritual and get some advice on what to do if the unthinkable happens and you get caught in an avalanche.Episode 21: Buried Alive — Bruce Tremper Tells His StoryIt's almost impossible to grasp the power and force of avalanches, unless of course you've actually been caught in one. Avalanche expert Bruce Tremper brings us a little closer to that experience with his story about how he triggered — and was buried in — an avalanche in Montana. He describes the feeling of having the “rug pulled out” from under his skis, being swept down the steep mountain, and what it felt like when the avalanche finally roared to a stop. Go back to episode 21 of the Out and Back podcast to get the blow-by-blow from Tremper on how he survived the avalanche that should have killed him. Tap into these Avalanche Safety ResourcesVisit avalanche.org for safety resources and avalanche forecasts in your area. Sign up for avalanche awareness and rescue courses with American Institute for Avalanche Research and Education. Watch the Know Before You Go video to get pumped about avalanche safety.Don't forget to snag your 40-percent off a Gaia GPS Premium Membership through the end of 2021.  With Gaia GPS Premium you can download maps for offline navigation and gain access to our entire map collection, including 3D satellite, USGS quad maps, Gaia Winter, avalanche forecast maps, slope angle shading, daily 24-hour snow totals, and current, 24-hour, and 48-hour snow accumulation forecasts maps. Finally, we thank the hard working folks at the avalanche centers. We ask you to consider donating to your local forecast centers so they can keep those essential avalanche forecasts coming. 

Avalanches killed 37 people in the U.S. last winter, making it the most deadly season in modern history. Why was 2020-2021 so dangerous, and how can we avoid avalanches this winter? Get the answers to these crucial questions in our new winter safety series, dropping on the Out and Back podcast today!In this four-part series, avalanche forecasters expose the factors that played into last season's tragic fatalities. Tune in to hear the details of one of the most chilling avalanche accidents in Utah's history. Learn how seasoned ski mountaineers make the tough decision to turn around just shy of the summit. And get a crash course on how to read an avalanche forecast so you can be as prepared as possible on your next winter adventure.Listen to all four binge-worthy episodes at once, or pick them up in a random order. However you listen — don't delay. Each episode gives you real, actionable insights that you can put to use in your next winter adventure.Episode 43: How Last Winter Became the Deadliest Avalanche Season of All TimeLast winter was nothing short of a perfect storm. A dangerously weak snowpack plagued the entire nation. At the same time, people were hungrier than ever for fresh air and fun. This deadly combination clouded people's judgment and put them at greater risk, says Ethan Greene, Director of the Colorado Avalanche Information Center. “Part of what we saw last year, I think, was that we were all living in a difficult environment,” Greene says. “And that made it hard going to the grocery store. It made it hard going to school. It made work hard. And when we had time away from those stresses and got to go into the mountains, it made making decisions in avalanche terrain difficult.” The unusual circumstances also brought with it surprising demographics. Greene distills the statistics to tell us what age group, gender, and experience level was most at-risk for getting caught in an avalanche. Plus, Greene takes a look at the way conditions are stacking up for this season. Don't get your hopes up. This season could be shaping up to be just as dangerous as the last.Episode 44: Lessons from Utah's Wilson Glade AvalancheLast February, two separate backcountry ski parties headed out for what they thought was lower-angle, safer terrain in the Wilson Glade area of Utah's Wasatch Mountains. The avalanche risk was high that day but they were prepared. Both groups studied the avalanche forecast, made conservative travel plans, and carried all the right safety gear into the mountains. But, all precautions aside, the two parties were swept away in a colossal avalanche. Four of eight people on the mountain died that day. What went wrong?Avalanche Forecaster Nikki Champion of the Utah Avalanche Center, investigated the accident. She gives her best insights on the lessons that can be gleaned from this tragic incident.“I think this accident really hit home with a lot of backcountry users,” Champion says. “Because it was a lot of decisions that most of us could see ourselves making: being in lower-angle terrain, traveling one at a time, skiing the slope multiple times and not seeing any obvious red flags in that area.”Champion walks us through the details of this tragic accident. Learn how to spot and avoid connected terrain. Become more aware of uphill travel. Hear how one survivor's quick thinking and rescue skills saved the lives of others.Episode 45: How to Avoid Summit Fever with Ski Mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain KuoIn the fall of 2021, ski mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain Kuo attempted an unsupported, first ski descent of the world's seventh tallest peak — Mount Dhualagiri in Nepal. They spent weeks advancing to the mountain's 26,705-foot summit, but high winds and increasing avalanche danger held them back from the top. After months of planning and training, Smithwick and Kuo were forced to retreat, leaving the ski record on the table for another day. The decision to turn around didn't come easy for Smithwick and Kuo. But sticking with an objective mindset helped them come to the right conclusion. Their number one tip? Erase any assumption of how things will play out. “I have zero expectations going into the mountains,” Smithwick says. “I'm like, wow, the car started, we're leaving town. Great. Let's celebrate that. Okay guys, everyone celebrate.”Smithwick and Kuo review the decision to call it quits just shy of Dhualagiri's unusually harsh and exposed summit. In an attempt to create awareness around those pesky human factors that often play into avalanche accidents, Smithwick and Kuo check their decision-making process and their egos against the popular FACETS acronym that is widely taught in Avalanche 1 courses. Tune in to this conversation to learn where Smithwick and Kuo nailed the human factors, along with a few vulnerabilities that they work to keep in check. Episode 46: How to Read the Avalanche ForecastChecking the avalanche forecast should be at the top of your safety checklist. It predicts the avalanche danger for your favorite zones and gives you a heads up on worrisome problems within the snowpack. But how much stock can you really put into the daily avy forecast report? US Forest Service avalanche expert Simon Trautman says avalanche forecasts should be the building block for planning a safe day in the backcountry. However, once your feet are on the snow, the forecast always takes a back seat to your observations in the field, Trautman says. “The whole point behind the avalanche forecast is that they're a starting point for your daily planning,” Trautman says. “But people need to understand that what they're doing is providing an expert's idea of a pattern that exists across the landscape. They're great resources but it's kind of like a weather forecast. If you get out there and it said 'no rain' and it starts raining on you, you need to reassess and you need to figure out what that means for your plan that day. Do you just continue to have your picnic or do you change plans?” Tune in as Trautman dissects the avalanche forecast into manageable sections. He teaches us the bottom line and how to get the most out of the avalanche forecast when planning your next tour.Episode 20: Avalanche Safety Tips with Bruce TremperIf you need more ammo in your avalanche safety arsenal, go back and listen to Out and Back's episode 20 with renowned avalanche expert Bruce Tremper. Author of Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain and Avalanche Essentials, Tremper draws on his 30-plus year career in snow science to give us his masterful tips for avoiding avalanches. His advice is pretty simple: stick to low-angle terrain.“Whenever there is uncertainty in the snowpack, the terrain is always the answer,” Tremper says. “You can cut your risk in half from going from 39 degrees down to 34 degrees. And you can cut your risk in half once again by going from 34 degrees down to 30 degrees. The handiest tool that you can use in all the world of avalanches is slope steepness.”Learn Tremper's low risk safety ritual and get some advice on what to do if the unthinkable happens and you get caught in an avalanche.Episode 21: Buried Alive — Bruce Tremper Tells His StoryIt's almost impossible to grasp the power and force of avalanches, unless of course you've actually been caught in one. Avalanche expert Bruce Tremper brings us a little closer to that experience with his story about how he triggered — and was buried in — an avalanche in Montana. He describes the feeling of having the “rug pulled out” from under his skis, being swept down the steep mountain, and what it felt like when the avalanche finally roared to a stop. Go back to episode 21 of the Out and Back podcast to get the blow-by-blow from Tremper on how he survived the avalanche that should have killed him. Tap into these Avalanche Safety ResourcesVisit avalanche.org for safety resources and avalanche forecasts in your area. Sign up for avalanche awareness and rescue courses with American Institute for Avalanche Research and Education. Watch the Know Before You Go video to get pumped about avalanche safety.Also, don't forget to snag 40-percent off a Gaia GPS Premium Membership through the end of 2021.  With Gaia GPS Premium you can download maps for offline navigation and get access to our entire map collection. We literally have hundreds of maps, and many that are perfect for winter activities, including 3D satellite imagery, USGS quad maps, our flagship Gaia Winter, avalanche forecast maps, slope angle shading, daily 24-hour snow totals, and current, 24-hour, and 48-hour snow accumulation forecasts maps. Finally, we thank the hard-working folks at the local avalanche centers. We ask you to consider donating to your local forecast centers so they can keep those essential avalanche forecasts coming your way. 

Avalanches killed 37 people in the U.S. last winter, making it the most deadly season in modern history. Why was 2020-2021 so dangerous, and how can we avoid avalanches this winter? Get the answers to these burning questions in our new winter safety series, dropping on the Out and Back podcast today. In this four-part series, avalanche forecasters expose the factors that played into last season's tragic fatalities. Tune in to hear the details of one of the most chilling avalanche accidents in Utah's history. Learn how seasoned ski mountaineers make the tough decision to turn around just shy of the summit. And get a crash course on how to read an avalanche forecast so you can be as prepared as possible on your next winter adventure. Listen to all four binge-worthy episodes at once, or pick them up in a random order. However you listen — don't delay. Each episode gives you real, actionable insights that you can put to use in your next winter adventure. Episode 43: How Last Winter Became the Deadliest Avalanche Season of All TimeLast winter was nothing short of a perfect storm. A dangerously weak snowpack plagued the entire nation. At the same time, people were hungrier than ever for fresh air and fun. This deadly combination clouded people's judgment and put them at greater risk, says Ethan Greene, Director of the Colorado Avalanche Information Center. “Part of what we saw last year, I think, was that we were all living in a difficult environment,” Greene says. “And that made it hard going to the grocery store. It made it hard going to school. It made work hard. And when we had time away from those stresses and got to go into the mountains, it made making decisions in avalanche terrain difficult.” The unusual circumstances also brought with it surprising demographics. Greene distills the statistics to tell us what age group, gender, and experience level was most at-risk for getting caught in an avalanche. Plus, Greene takes a look at the way conditions are stacking up for this season. Don't get your hopes up. This season could be shaping up to be just as dangerous as the last.Episode 44: Lessons from Utah's Wilson Glade Avalanche Last February, when the avalanche danger was rated high in Northern Utah, two separate backcountry ski parties headed out in what they thought was safer, lower-angle terrain in the Wilson Glade area of the Wasatch Mountains. But groups were experienced skiers and came to the mountain prepared. They studied the avalanche forecast, made conservative travel plans, and carried all the right safety gear. But, all precautions aside, the two parties were swept away in a colossal avalanche. Four of eight people died. What went wrong? Avalanche Forecaster Nikki Champion of the Utah Avalanche Center, investigated the accident. She gives her best insights on the lessons that can be gleaned from this tragic incident.“I think this accident really hit home with a lot of backcountry users,” Champion says. “Because it was a lot of decisions that most of us could see ourselves making: being in lower-angle terrain, traveling one at a time, skiing the slope multiple times and not seeing any obvious red flags in that area.”Champion walks us through the details of this tragic accident. Learn about how to spot and avoid connected terrain. Become more aware of uphill travel. Hear how one survivor's quick thinking and rescue skills saved the lives of others. Episode 45: How to Avoid Summit Fever with Ski Mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain KuoIn the fall of 2021, ski mountaineers Luke Smithwick and Iain Kuo attempted an unsupported, first ski descent of the world's seventh tallest peak — Mount Dhualagiri in Nepal. They spent weeks advancing to the mountain's 26,795-foot summit, but high winds and increasing avalanche danger held them back from the top. After months of planning and training, Smithwick and Kuo were forced to retreat, leaving the ski record on the table for another day. The decision to turn around didn't come easy for Smithwick and Kuo. But sticking with an objective mindset helped them come to the right conclusion. Their number one tip? Erase any assumption of how things will play out. “I have zero expectations going into the mountains,” Smithwick says. “I'm like, wow, the car started, we're leaving town. Great. Let's celebrate that. Okay guys, everyone celebrate.”Smithwick and Kuo review the decision to call it quits just shy of Dhualagiri's unusually harsh and exposed summit. In an attempt to create awareness around those pesky human factors that often play into avalanche accidents, Smithwick and Kuo check their decision-making process and their egos against the popular FACETS acronym that is widely taught in Avalanche 1 courses. Tune in to this conversation to learn where these mountaineers nailed the human factors, along with a few vulnerabilities that they constantly work to keep in check. Episode 46: How to Read the Avalanche Forecast Checking the avalanche forecast should be at the top of your safety checklist. It predicts the avalanche danger for your favorite zones and gives you a heads up on worrisome problems within the snowpack. But how much stock can you really put into the daily avy forecast report? US Forest Service avalanche expert Simon Trautman says avalanche forecasts should be the building block for planning a safe day in the backcountry. However, once your feet are on the snow, the forecast always takes a back seat to your observations in the field. “The whole point behind the avalanche forecast is that they're a starting point for your daily planning,” Trautman says. “But people need to understand that what they're doing is providing an expert's idea of a pattern that exists across the landscape. They're great resources but it's kind of like a weather forecast. If you get out there and it said 'no rain' and it starts raining on you, you need to reassess and you need to figure out what that means for your plan that day. Do you just continue to have your picnic or do you change plans?” Tune in as Trautman dissects the avalanche forecast into manageable sections. He teaches us the first things to look for in the bottom line and how to get the most out of the avalanche forecast when planning your next tour.Episode 20: Avalanche Safety Tips with Bruce Tremper If you need more ammo in your avalanche safety arsenal, go back and listen to Out and Back's episode 20 with renowned avalanche expert Bruce Tremper. Author of Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain and Avalanche Essentials, Tremper draws on his 30-plus year career in snow science to give us his masterful tips for avoiding avalanches. His advice is pretty simple: stick to low-angle terrain. “Whenever there is uncertainty in the snowpack, the terrain is always the answer,” Tremper says. “You can cut your risk in half from going from 39 degrees down to 34 degrees. And you can cut your risk in half once again by going from 34 degrees down to 30 degrees. The handiest tool that you can use in all the world of avalanches is slope steepness.”Learn Tremper's low risk safety ritual and get some advice on what to do if the unthinkable happens and you get caught in an avalanche. Episode 21: Buried Alive — Bruce Tremper Tells His Story It's almost impossible to grasp the power and force of avalanches, unless of course you've actually been caught in one. Avalanche expert Bruce Tremper brings us a little closer to that experience with his story about how he triggered — and was buried in — an avalanche in Montana. He describes the feeling of having the “rug pulled out” from under his skis, being swept down the steep mountain, and what it felt like when the avalanche finally roared to a stop. Go back to episode 21 of the Out and Back podcast to get the blow-by-blow from Tremper on how he survived the avalanche that should have killed him. Tap into these Avalanche Safety Resources Visit avalanche.org for safety resources and avalanche forecasts in your area. Sign up for avalanche awareness and rescue courses with American Institute for Avalanche Research and Education. Watch the Know Before You Go video to get pumped about avalanche safety. Also, don't forget to snag that sweet 40-percent off on a Gaia GPS Premium Membership through the end of 2021. With Gaia GPS Premium, you can download maps for offline navigation and access our entire map collection, including a trove of layers that are useful for winter backcountry travel. Check out the 3D satellite imagery, our flagship Gaia Winter, avalanche forecast maps, slope angle shading, daily 24-hour snow totals and density readings, and current, 24-hour, and 48-hour snow accumulation forecasts maps for a complete picture of conditions n the ground. Finally, we thank all the hard working folks at the avalanche centers across the U.S. and Canada. We ask that you consider donating to your local forecast centers so they can keep those essential avalanche forecasts coming your way. 

Learn more about avalanche safety at avalanche.org. Find and sign up for an avalanche education class with the American Institute for Avalanche Research and Education. Make sure to go to your local avalanche center for area forecasts.Follow us on Out and Back Podcast page on Instagram!And don't forget to pick up your sweet 40% discount on Gaia GPS through the end of 2021!

It's your worst nightmare. You're all alone, miles from the trailhead, when you trip over a rock and break your leg. What do you do? If you have a satellite communication device, you press a button and send a message for help. Yes, rescue in the backcountry has become that easy. These palm-sized units allow you to send messages from anywhere in the world, let others track your progress in the backcountry, and provide a direct line to help when you need it.How exactly do satellite communication devices work, and can you trust them? We sat down with Morris Shawn, president of ZOLEO Inc, to give you the inside scoop on how the ZOLEO satellite communicator works. From seamless messaging to remote weather reports and location tracking in the field, Morris explains all the benefits of carrying a satellite communicator in areas beyond cell service. Plus, get the skinny on what actually happens when you press that dreaded SOS button, and hear about some of the most ridiculous calls for help Morris has seen in recent years.And it's good timing, because if you're in the market for a satellite communication device, ZOLEO is having a killer sale from November 12, 2021 to November 30, 2021. You can pick up a ZOLEO two-way satellite messenger for $149, that's 25 percent off the retail price. And if you activate your device by January 30, 2022, you'll get a 6-month Gaia GPS Premium Membership for free if you're not already a member. Nothing pairs better with satellite communication than Gaia GPS's robust collection of maps and offline planning and navigation tools. Get them both today in this special deal. Visit the Gaia GPS blog to save.

Before Mac of Halfway Anywhere thru-hiked the Pacific Crest Trail in 2013, he struggled to find useful information about the trail. Sure, he read anecdotal thru-hiking accounts. But what worked for one person might not work for him. Mac wanted data. So after completing the trail that year, Mac started a PCT survey to gather that data for himself. The results both somewhat dismayed him while at the same time, proved quite useful. For example, one of Mac's many findings suggested that hikers wildly underestimate how much a thru-hike costs. In fact, underestimating thru-hike finances proves to be one of the primary reasons people abandon their hike.After Mac thru-hiked the Continental Divide Trail in 2017, he started a survey for that trail as well. Surprising to many, the CDT mostly sticks to well-defined trail. But unlike other long trails, the CDT provides numerous “alternates” that hikers can take to supplement or supplant the official route. Mac was able to get surprising figures about these "alternates" as well as tons of other useful data for future CDT thru-hikers. On today's episode of Out and Back, Mac weaves his eight years of survey data together with his first hand observations to illuminate how the PCT and CDT have evolved over the past decade. Hint: he doesn't think it's all been for the better. He also dishes out his controversial view of trail angels and trail magic. Plus, Mac explains why he hates the word “tramly” (aka “trail family). Finally, you may have noticed the elephant in the room: Mac has not thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail and does not conduct an AT survey. In fact, Mac swears he will never hike the east's longest trail. He explains why he feels this way...and of course...Shanty will try and change Mac's mind about it...A self-proclaimed random guy on the internet, Mac has no proven validity to his findings. But he's here to help prospective thru-hikers actually glean information that will be useful in their monumental undertaking. Mac may not be a scientist, but he thinks with the precision of one, constantly trying to refine and improve the surveys with each iteration. If you're planning on thru-hiking the PCT or the CDT next year, sign up to take the survey when it becomes available. Comb through the vast PCT and CDT survey data on Mac's website, Halfway Anywhere. You'll also find all types of useful insight and analysis, including gear guides for both the PCT and CDT. Sign up for Mac's newsletter, and follow Mac's adventures on Instagram. Make sure to check out the Out and Back podcast page on Instagram, too!And remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

Coffee is life for many of us. It's our morning ritual, a jolt that shakes us out of the afternoon doldrums, and a pick-me-up when we need to burn the midnight oil. But in the backcountry, brewing the perfect cup can be complicated. A pour-over leaves you with messy grounds to haul out and instant coffee often falls short on taste. We turned to some of our favorite professional hikers — Heather “Anish” Anderson, the Hiking Viking, Adventure Alan Dixon, and Liz “Snorkel” Thomas — to unmask the secrets to brewing the best cup of coffee in camp. We spent time with each of these world-famous hikers, learning how they use coffee in their adventures and what they do to make their morning cup of joe in the wild. Turns out their methods for making coffee on trail are as wild and varied as their personalities. They join us on the Out and Back podcast this week to share their field-tested brewing techniques, so you can get the most out of your coffee on your next adventure. Tune in to Episode 40 of the Out and Back podcast to get the details on Liz Thomas's scientific, blind study on the best instant coffee brands. Find out what type of coffee Heather Anderson uses on longer trips. Learn about Viking's coffee alternative and get a ridiculous story about how he hated his junior high school science teacher's coffee breath, but somehow wound up drinking coffee anyway. Get the specs on Adventure Alan's 1.8-ounce coffee methods that jive with even the most stringent ultralight backpacking principles.  Follow these hikers on Instagram: @lizthomashiking, @1adventurealan, @anishhikes, @therealhikingvikingMake sure to check out the Out and Back podcast page on Instagram!And remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

Ultralight backpacking expert Mike Clelland has slept outside as often as possible for decades. Cowboy camping one night 15 years ago, something happened that changed Mike's life forever. He tried to dismiss it, but it happened again. And again. That series of events sent Mike down the unlikely path of studying how powerful coincidences connect us to the supernatural. “I saw the owls. And I heard a voice in my head that said, ‘This has something to do with the UFO's. You are an abductee',” Mike recounts on Out and Back. “To feel that, and to hear it in my head, it changed the direction of my life. I started exploring the symbolic meaning of owls and their connection to the UFO contact experience. And it took over my life.”Mike is a masterful storyteller and will leave you clutching your seat (or trekking poles) as he shares his first-hand encounters with owls and extraterrestrial life. He weaves his own narrative into the rich history of owl lore, dreams, shamanistic stories, and other first-hand accounts to reveal this mystical world lurking in plain sight.Whether you're a believer or a skeptic, you'll want to tune in to hear Mike's perspective. At the very least, you will never see the world the same way again!Check out Mike's book The Messengers, which dives into the overlapping worlds of owls, synchronicities, and UFO abduction. His companion book Stories from The Messengers goes further into the symbolic and literal links between owls and UFOs. Mike is also the illustrator and author behind a series of books on mastering outdoor techniques. And finally, check out Mike's longstanding blog, Hidden Experience, and his podcast, The Unseen with Mike Clelland.Make sure to check out the Out and Back podcast page on Instagram! And remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

Newbie and seasoned backpackers alike all hold fears around backcountry travel. Outdoor Backpacking Educator and Empowerment Coach Allison Boyle shares how to overcome them this week on the Out and Back podcast. Allison is the face behind the ultra-popular blog and coaching service She Dreams of Alpine, which teaches women how to become safe, confident, and self-sufficient in the backcountry.In this fun and informative conversation, Allison tells hosts Mary and Abby how a city girl from Houston, Texas ended up becoming a backpacking expert. It certainly didn't happen overnight, and even involved a divorce. Allison shares her stumbling blocks when she started adventuring outside, and how her fears initially continued to grow as she gained more experience. She talks about the top three fears beginner backpackers face, and how to overcome them.“We're scared of what we don't know,” Allison says on Out and Back. “Things we do in our everyday life, like drive or walk down a busy city street, are more dangerous than anything we would do in the outdoors. It's just, they're more familiar to us and we're able to step into those scenarios more. And if you're a new backpacker, you can't imagine yourself in the outdoors at all. Once you start building those experiences for yourself, those fears start to go away.”Alison explains “trip resistance,” that dark cloud of anxiety that seems to float over your head the week before any trip — no matter your experience level. Learn how to quiet that inner voice telling you to abandon your plans, so you can get out and have a blast on the trail. Tune in to learn Allison's favorite breakfast foods in the backcountry, the one item she can't leave behind, and how she turned her outdoor passion into a career. Follow She Dreams of Alpine on Instagram, check out the blog for tried and true advice (including the free Ultimate Outdoor Adventure Starter Kit), and consider signing up for She Dreams of Alpine's Backpacking Badass program to learn how to become a confident and self-sufficient backpacker.  And get a discount on a Gaia GPS Premium Membership at www.gaiagps.com/podcast. 

If you live out west, you've already woken up to bright red suns and thick, smokey skies this summer. Fire season has arrived. We've grown accustomed to seeing fire-ravaged towns on TV. Yet wildfires are actually not all bad. We've just exacerbated their scope, and in fact we are the ones who get in the way.On episode 37 of Out and Back, Wildfire Public Information Officer and former wildland firefighter Amanda Monthei breaks down why wildfires remain vital for ecosystem health, and how humans misunderstand this life force. She gets into the history of wildfire management in the US and how we've primed conditions for fires of unprecedented scope. Amanda dives into what we can learn from indigenous fire management practices and how we can learn to better coexist with fire in the future.Amanda also shares how she grew so infatuated with fire, leading her to work grueling summers as a wildland firefighter and then in the coveted role of a hotshot crew member. She unearths why she left that vocation, and how she's turned her attention to educating the public about how to coexist with fire, rather than fight it.Follow Amanda on Instagram, and check out her brilliant podcast on all things fire, Life with Fire.While on Instagram, also make sure to check out the Out and Back podcast page.And remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

Episode 36 of Out and Back is a cross-collaboration with our brand new overlanding podcast: The Gaia GPS Offroad Podcast! The Gaia GPS Offroad Podcast, sponsored by Trails Offroad, brings you conversations with experienced offroaders and overlanders from around the world. Listen in as host, fighter jet pilot, and experienced overlander Wade May dives deep under the hood with experts in the field. International travelers and backyard explorers alike transport you to their most harrowing encounters, biggest lessons, and most epic adventures on the trail.The debut episode launches with a story from Casey Kaiser, an experienced overlander with a penchant for finding abandoned homesteads in the desert. Casey takes us on a complete misadventure. Thirty miles off the grid, Casey's fully upgraded Jeep Wrangler Rubicon JKU suddenly caught fire. The flames quickly engulfed Casey's entire Jeep, leaving him stranded in the middle of the night in Oregon's high desert. Casey made it home safely to tell us what he learned from this unforeseen catastrophe.Connect with Casey on his Coyote Works YouTube channel. Follow his mostly solo overland adventures on Instagram.The Gaia GPS Offroad podcast, sponsored by Trails Offroad, drops episodes every other week! Catch it in between episodes of Out and Back! You can listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, and anywhere else you listen to podcasts!Check out the Gaia GPS Offroad podcast on Instagram!Make sure to also check out Out and Back on Instagram!Finally, remember to pick up your sweet discount on a Trails Offroad membership and then pair that with a discounted Gaia GPS Premium Membership!

Jenny, who is of Japanese descent, describes the joy the family felt connecting with her ancestors' homeland as her family bike-packed 600 miles across Hokkaido, Japan (The kids didn't want to leave!). She gets into the shame she experienced growing up with a different sounding last name from her classmates, and how she's come to cherish her ancestry as an adult.Jenny describes how she went from working in finance to landing her dream job as a designer for Patagonia. She keeps it real with her and her husband Scott's challenges of getting pregnant, including two miscarriages; how Scott's Appalachian Trail record-setting run in 2015 injected new life into their relationship despite her sometimes harrowing task of driving around the east coast backroads by herself to support Scott; and the struggle of balancing two young children with starting her own business. Keep on eye out for Jenny's new business, Always Up. (We'll link to it once the website goes live!) It's a gear company for active families, and her debut product is a first-of-its-class maternity belt for runners. Get some visuals from the Jurek's Japan trip by watching a short film Jenny and Scott made about their family trip. Follow Jenny on Instagram for an inside view into Jenny and the family's busy and beautiful life.While on Instagram, also make sure to check out the Out and Back podcast page. And remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

The landscape always played a crucial role in forging Phoebe Novitsky's and Ian Silberman's connection. From taking a wrong turn on Colorado's Grizzly Peak to bonking on an epic gravel ride, Ian and Phoebe quickly got to know each other through their trials and triumphs outside. And they developed an unbreakable bond in the process. Ian knew he wanted to incorporate geography into his proposal to Phoebe, and he ended up taking it to the next level. Tune in to the episode to hear all about his ingenious plan. You may want to grab a box of tissues, too, as you sink into this heartwarming story of how maps (and in particular, Gaia GPS) helped Phoebe and Ian take a trip through time and space to put a ring on their relationship.Check out pictures from the proposal on the Gaia GPS blog!Learn how you can make your own memories on the map by using Gaia GPS's new feature, emoji waypoints. Make sure to check out the Out and Back Podcast on Instagram.Remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

Despite its name, Wisconsin's 1,200 mile Ice Age Trail mostly attracts thru-hikers during summer. But for professional gardener Emily Ford, a winter thru-hike aligned better with her schedule. So Emily and an Alaskan husky named Diggins post-holed through knee-deep snow and watched their breath turn to ice in their tent. Emily drank cream by the carton, and boiled snow for water. After 69 days on the trail, she became just the second person, and the first woman, to thru-hike the Ice Age Trail during the dead of winter. She also formed an unbreakable bond with her four-legged companion. Tune in to find out how (and why) Emily took on this midwestern beast during the dead of winter. Follow Emily on Instagram for another window into her life. Also make sure to check out the Out and Back Podcast on Instagram.Remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

Seven years after a life-threatening cycling crash, Alan Adams reclaimed his fitness, tenacity, and connection to nature through a new year’s resolution. He set out to cover two million vertical feet in a single calendar year — all under his own power. He ended up ski touring and cycling his way to the world record. Alan climbed over 2.5 million vertical feet, averaging over 7,000 vertical a day. Tune in to the Out and Back podcast to learn how Alan juggled this overwhelming feat while maintaining his job and a relationship.Remember, podcast listeners get a Discount on a Gaia GPS Membership!

Adventurer Luc Mehl has spent decades exploring Alaska in the most creative ways. He’s skied from Haines to Juneau, ice-skated a 100+ mile route on frozen lakes and seashores above the Arctic Circle, and bikepacked portions of the Iditarod Trail. In 2006, he discovered a much more efficient way to cover miles in the mountains: packrafting. He’s taken floating down Alaskan rivers to a new level ever since. Don’t miss episode 31 of the Out and Back Podcast as Luc takes us on his incredible Alaskan journey, from growing up in a tiny Alaskan village to becoming an expert in packrafting. Luc discusses the Alaska Mountain Wilderness Classic and the tragic event that caused him to take a step back in the backcountry and relearn packrafting all over again from the very beginning. In the process of doing so, Luc wrote "The Packraft Handbook", the definitive source for learning how to read water, identify river hazards, and choose the right gear and safety equipment for your next river adventure. Luc talks about how his new book is his way of helping people learn from his mistakes and be safer on the river.

Since 2006, thousands of Pacific Crest Trail thru-hikers have started their 2,660-mile journey from Barney and Sandy Mann’s suburban San Diego home. The ultimate trail angles, the Manns offer to pick up arriving PCT hikers from San Diego’s airport, bring them to their five-bedroom house, feed them dinner, entertain them with music, and teach them the ways of the trail. The next morning, the Manns shuttle the hopeful thru-hikers some 60 miles to the Mexico border. With a hug and a smile, they send their new hiking friends off to Canada, rested and well prepared for the miles ahead. A triple crown hiker himself, Scout describes how running their famous hiker hostel kept them connected to the PCT even after their own thru-hike in 2007. Scout reflects on how the pandemic forced them to close up shop in 2020 and why they decided not to host PCT hikers in 2021. Listen through to the very end to hear why Scout and Frodo will consider hosting in 2022!

Vasu Sojitra is one of the most accomplished adaptive athletes on Earth. He’s notched first independent adaptive ascents and descents on everything from the Grand Teton in Grand Teton National Park to Tuckerman's Ravine on Mount Washington in New Hampshire. This past winter, he summited Wyoming's formidable Mount Moran and skied its infamous Skillet Glacier. He’s done all of this with one leg. Reducing Vasu to his leg difference, though, doesn’t do him justice. Rather, Vasu has leveraged his disability to cultivate courage, resiliency, and compassion. In this episode of Out and Back, Vasu recounts going from feeling like an outsider as a kid growing up in Glastonbury, CT and Gujarat, India, to finding belonging on the ski slopes. Vasu’s accomplishments on the trails are extraordinary, but his story is really one of finding strength within yourself. He’s on a mission to make the outdoors accessible to all, so everyone can experience the liberation of moving their bodies through the landscape.

The days are getting longer and warmer — hiking season is well on its way! But for many of us, nearby trails are still covered in ice and snow. And for many more, we are cooped up in the city or live in geographical regions as flat as a pancake. How can we gear up for summer adventures? Well...personal trainer Billy Gawron of Backcountry Fitness is here with answers. This week on Out and Back, Shanty and Abby chat with Billy about training for hiking, backpacking, and thru-hiking season. The trio talk about key fitness issues, including... -the number one thing we should all start working on right now -the key to balancing strength work with endurance training -pervasive myths about training -how to train your feet and ankles to withstand long days with a heavy pack -how to prevent pesky and debilitating knee pain -how to prepare for altitude while at sea level If you’re dreaming up some big plans for the summer, you won’t want to miss this show!

Alpinist Adrian Ballinger has made a career of climbing the Himalaya’s 8,000-meter giants. Since 2008, he’s summited Mount Everest eight times, including once without supplemental oxygen. He has also climbed other lofty and daring peaks in the region like K2, Lhotse, Cho Oyu, and Manaslu. In this fun and lighthearted chat, Ballinger speaks openly with Shanty and Mary about overcoming family and societal pressure in order to live a life that's true to yourself, and he also talks about the challenges/realities of guiding clients up the world’s highest mountains. But it's not all just earthquakes, avalanches, mountain politics, and global warming. Ballinger also takes us to a fateful encounter on the side of Mount Everest, where he met the love of his life, professional climber Emily Harrington. The couple got engaged last year, and are looking at a December 2021 wedding. Ballinger gives us a peak of what “normal” life is like for these two climbing celebrities.

Professional rock climber Matt Segal knew that climbing would never be enough for him. Plus, he was fed up with drinking bad coffee on climbing expeditions. As a result, Segal founded Alpine Start, an artisan instant coffee company, while continuing to raise the bar in climbing. In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Abby and Shanty catch up with Segal to learn how he redefines what’s possible in climbing and how he juggles sports with running a business.

After 10 years of marriage, Sonya and Necota Staples reached the brink of divorce. They had gotten so caught up in the business of living that they drifted apart. That’s when these city dwellers tried something new: camping. That one trip changed the trajectory of their lives. In this special Valentine’s Day episode of the Out and Back podcast, Abby and Shanty bring you the story of Sonya and Necota Staples. Tune in to learn how camping and overlanding rejuvenated the Staples’ marriage. The Staples share their story openly and honestly, with humor and insight along the way. They talk about what inspired them to start the YouTube channel and social media presence "StaplesInTents". And they get into why they swapped out their BMWs for a Land Cruiser and some of the fun adventures they've had off road.

Shanty and Mary catch up with Luke Smithwick, one of the most prolific ski mountaineers and guides in the world. Smithwick is 200 lines deep into his Himalaya 500 skiing project — a mission to highlight 500 of the most unique and beautiful backcountry runs in the world’s tallest mountains. With more than 75 Himalayan mountain expeditions to his name, Smithwick unravels the mystery of skiing in places like Tibet, India, and Nepal. Smithwick tells us why the Himalayas could become the next, all-time backcountry ski destination. Tune in to find out what it takes to get on one of Smithwick’s guided Himalayan ski mountaineering trips, learn about his mission to ski 500 classic Himalayan descents, and get his take on the best zones in this colossal mountain range.

If you’re wondering what kind of backcountry ski gear to buy this season, you’ll want to listen to this chat with big mountain skier Sophia Schwartz and Sean McCoy, editorial director of GearJunkie. Schwartz, a multiple top-ten World Cup finisher and the 2013 U.S. Freestyle champion, describes her journey from the mogul course to the backcountry glades and couloirs. She recalls her first backcountry ski trip. Her gear was...less than optimal... Schwartz teams up with McCoy, an avid skier himself, to chat about what’s good in the world of backcountry ski gear. Everything from avalanche airbags to skins, Schwartz and McCoy dive into their kits, discuss their favorite pieces of gear, and give tips for best uses along the way. Turns out that these two happen to be big fans of the same ski boot. Tune in to find out which boot they love to ski both at the resort and in the backcountry.

If the transition to backcountry skiing seems daunting, then you won’t want to miss this Out and Back episode with Erik Lambert from Bluebird Backcountry. Bluebird Backcountry is a totally new concept — a ski area without lifts. That’s right, alpine touring only. Lambert says he started the Colorado resort as a way for skiers and splitboarders to feel comfortable in their transition from the resort to the backcountry. Tune in to learn more about what Bluebird offers — everything from top notch backcountry rental equipment, to avalanche courses, to guided backcountry skiing. Bluebird provides a prime spot to get started backcountry skiing and a fun adventure for experts, too.

In 1978, Bruce Tremper nearly died in an avalanche. This incident changed the trajectory of Tremper’s life, leading him to become one of the preeminent avalanche experts in the world. This week on the Out and Back podcast, Tremper (after discussing snow science and avalanche safety on the previous episode) recounts that harrowing tale. He gives a blow-by-blow account of what it felt like to have the “rug pulled out” from under his skis and rocket down the hill in a landslide of snow. He then shares how after this event, he made unlocking the mysteries of avalanches his number one goal in life. Hold on tight as Tremper unpacks what should have been a life-ending experience. If you’re looking for more practical tips on avalanche safety, make sure to go back to our previous episode (#20) where Tremper lays down his best measures for staying safe in the backcountry this winter!

This episode of Out and Back dives into the nitty gritty details of snow science and avalanche risk assessment, as Shanty and Mary talk with renowned avalanche expert Bruce Tremper. Author of "Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain" and "Avalanche Essentials", Tremper gives his hard-won and masterful tips for avalanche safety. Tremper draws on his 30-plus year career as an avalanche forecaster to give advice on everything from how to spot a weak layer in the snowpack to what to do if you’re caught in an avalanche. Tune in to find out what you can do to guard against the human factors that lead people to make mistakes in avalanche terrain. Tremper gets specific about the demographics for avalanche fatalities, his “low risk travel ritual,” and the latest protocols if you are caught in an avalanche. Tremper nerds out with persistent weak layers analysis and busts some longstanding avalanche myths. After this discussion, you might think twice before jumping into zones you once considered bombproof.

We kick off the first episode of our backcountry ski series as Shanty and Mary sit down with Colorado’s Summit County Search and Rescue mission coordinator, Charles Pitman. Tune in as Pitman enlightens us on what backcountry enthusiasts can do to stay safer this winter, including how to recognize and avoid avalanche danger in backcountry travel, what to do if you need help, and what you should put in your backpack to be prepared in case something goes wrong. Backcountry skiers, winter hikers, climbers, and snowmobilers will not want to miss this behind-the-scenes look at the upcoming snow season and what rescue professionals are doing to prepare for the busy season ahead. Plus, hear a few of Pitman’s most harrowing rescue stories!

What drives people to set seemingly impossible goals, and what fuels them to succeed? Shanty and professional ultra runner Abby Levene dig into these questions with the queen of ultra running, Courtney Dauwalter. Courtney is renowned in the ultra running community and beyond for her definitive wins at everything from the Moab 240-mile trail race, to the Western States 100 Endurance Run, to the 100-mile Ultra Trail de Mont Blanc. Courtney takes listeners through her Colorado Trail FKT attempt this summer, and her recent win at perhaps the strangest running event of all: Big’s Backyard Ultra. The ultimate test of the mind, athletes at this event run a 4.16-mile loop every hour on the hour until only one person remains. This year, it was Courtney — 68 hours and 283 miles later. Runners and non-runners alike won’t want to miss this episode to catch Courtney’s infectious optimism, learn what drives her to push barriers, and to pick up some tips on training your brain to endure when your body tells you to stop.

Shanty and Mary review this year’s FKT round up with Buzz Burrell, co-founder of FastestKnownTime.com and co-host of the FKT Podcast. Buzz takes us through the rise of the FKT, what makes a solid FKT route, the allure of the solitary push to set a speed record, and why the FKT has become so popular in this year of pandemic lock downs, civil unrest, and wildfires. Widely known as the "Father of the FKT" and a champion of many FKT records of his own, Buzz delivers this year’s round up of robust FKT activity and his four tips for pushing on as the years pile up. Plus, you’ll never guess what indoor activity Buzz has mastered, proving that Buzz is so much more than a mountain athlete!

Everyone loves a good bear story. This week, we bring you the tale of Grizzly Bear 399 — perhaps the most famous bear in the world. For more than a decade, Griz 399 has been living in the front country of Wyoming’s Grand Teton National Park. Thousands of tourists, wildlife watchers, and photographers flock to the park’s Pilgrim Creek area to catch a glimpse of Griz 399 and her cubs feeding on elk carcasses, scrounging for berries, and taking naps in the sun, all before the public eye. Tune in to hear how Griz 399’s fame exploded this year when she crawled out of her winter den with four tiny cubs in tow. Guests on this documentary-style episode include... 1) Wildlife photographer and conservationist Thomas Mangelsen, who has been documenting Griz 399’s life for almost 15 years. 2) Montana-based journalist Todd Wilkinson, who has written extensively about Griz 399’s life, and has worked with Mangelsen to produce the absolutely ground-breaking work, "Grizzlies of Pilgrim Creek". 3) Wildlife watcher Maureen Matsen, who has been scouting wildlife in Grand Teton National Park for 40 years. 4) Dennis Van Denbos, who in 2007, was attacked by Grizz 399 and her cubs...and lived to tell the tale. Tune in to hear the incredible story of a mother bear and her cubs who have brought resilience and hope to so many!

This week, Out and Back delves into the psychological side of backpacking. Special guest host and previous Out and Back guest "The Real Hiking Viking" joins Shanty to chat with one of Viking’s buddies: hiking legend Zach “Badger” Davis. Thru-hikers may know Badger as the founder of the popular backpacking resource, The Trek. Badger has also written Appalachian Trials and Pacific Crest Trials, psychological guides for tackling the Appalachian Trail and the Pacific Crest Trail. Badger explains how his puzzlement over the “Virginia Blues” led him to start a blog to make sense of why so many thru-hikers quit the Appalachian Trail in Virginia. Blogging ultimately led him to write Appalachian Trials and found The Trek. On a lighter note, Badger and Viking dig into the unlikely start of their friendship, and they share wild stories from thru-hiking the PCT together, including how sleeping in an outhouse saved their lives. Seasoned and aspiring thru-hikers alike won’t want to miss this episode to learn how to find the light at the end of the dark, green tunnel.

Shanty and Mary are joined by hiker, guidebook author, and licensed therapist Scott Turner. Turner has written guide books to five national parks and well as his home of San Diego County, CA. He shares insight on how to get the most out of a one-day visit to a national park, including insider tips for beating the crowds, secret ways to get off the beaten path, and the best times of year to go. In addition to his national park tips, Turner does the first "Out and Back" podcast pack shakedown, running through everything he brings in his pack, and talks about everything you should bring to have fun and stay safe on a day hike, including the “10 essentials” you need to survive an unplanned night outside and when to bring them.

Shanty and Mary catch up with world adventurers Bethany “Fidgit” Hughes and Lauren “Neon” Reed for an update on their journey across the Americas. Hughes and Reed have spent the last five years hiking, biking, and paddling their way across South/Central America, Mexico, and the United States on their non-motorized tour of the American continents. The long-distance hikers are hunkered down in the States waiting for COVID to subside before finishing off their adventure in the northernmost part of North America. In this episode, Hughes and Reed discuss how they traveled through the wilderness in foreign countries, their incredible and heartwarming interactions with the locals they met along the way, and some tips for treading lightly through indigenous regions and cultures. We also hear about their safety plans and how their contrasting personalities serve their expedition mission in equal but different ways. Don’t miss this episode if you want to learn about getting off the tourist path in South and Central America.

When Mary Cochenour became a wilderness ranger, she was forced to conquer her fear of solo backpacking. It took some time, but with a lot of practice, Mary eventually grew comfortable camping alone in the woods. That is until she realized she wasn’t alone after all. A man had been stalking Mary even in the farthest corners of the wilderness. Mary says of the night she met her stalker: ”It maybe was Sunday night and the weekend crowds were gone. And I felt really isolated there. And I was sprawled out on the granite slabs and I took off my shoes and I was watching the sun fade. And all of a sudden I could hear footsteps coming up behind me..." On Episode 12 of the Out and Back podcast, Mary reveals how this sketchy incident inspired her to keep backpacking solo and how she drew on this experience when working with victims as a violent crimes prosecutor in Montana. This story, although gripping at times, reminds us that sometimes you have to face your fears head on to finally overcome them.

In 2017, registered dietitian Aaron Owens Mayhew quit her job to hike the PCT. The only catch: she hated — and hated paying for — freeze-dried meals. Meal planning for a five-month thru-hike felt impossible, as did carrying enough nutritious food. So Owens Mayhew put her culinary expertise to work. Her thru-hike didn’t go as planned, but Backcountry Foodie was born. In episode 11 of the Out and Back podcast, Owens Mayhew shares stories from her two decades of backpacking and the behind-the-scenes of how she created her popular backpacking food site and meal planning service. She also shares how you can cut down on food weight while eating healthier and more delicious meals on the trail.

Right now, the longest hiking route in America is being designed, mapped, and tested. The American Perimeter Trail circles the contiguous United States to make a 12,000-mile loop of existing trails, roads, and off-trail travel. Long-distance hiker Rue McKenrick dreamed up the route after completing America’s thru-hiking Triple Crown and found himself craving another engaging long-distance hike in the US. So, he scoured the maps. When he couldn’t find another long trail to hike, he imagined a route that connected existing trails and a few offtrail routes in between. In summer of 2019, McKenrick left his home in Bend, Oregon to scout the best track for the American Perimeter Trail. He’s hiked some 8,000 miles since then. In this interview, Shanty catches up with McKenrick during a town stop in western Michigan. McKenrick explains what inspired the American Perimeter Trail project, his vision for the trail, and the unbelievable encounters he’s experienced the way. Hear about how he navigated his way around massive swaths of private property in Texas, endured police questioning for having a backpack and an “accent,” and what happened when shots were fired over his head. McKenrick gets real with Shanty, revealing the one item he takes with him on every journey — an open heart.

On episode 9 of the Out and Back podcast, world adventurer and author Justin "Trauma" Lichter shares his wildest stories from across the globe. Lichter recounts how stampeding elephants and stalking lions stopped him in his tracks on his attempted thru-hike of eastern Africa and how he successfully completed a 2,000-mile high-altitude traverse of the Himalayas. In addition, he provides a behind-the-scenes scoop on his most headline-making trip: becoming the first person, along with Shawn “Pepper” Forry, to successfully complete the Pacific Crest Trail in winter. On top of all these stories, Lichter gives insight into the challenges and rewards of international adventures and the complications of winter travel on the PCT. He also digs into what motivates him to keep pushing the limits in the outdoors. Finally, Trauma also takes some time to talk with Shanty about avalanche safety, winter gear, and international resupply strategies.

When Army veteran Will Robinson returned home from a combat tour in Iraq, he struggled with depression and PTSD. He spent more and more time at home, withdrawing from civilian life and turning to alcohol for self medication. One day, he flipped on the TV and saw Reese Witherspoon wrestling with an oversized backpack in the movie “Wild.” That movie scene took Robinson back to his deployment overseas when he read a book about hiking the 2,660-mile Pacific Crest Trail. Inspired, Robinson shut off the TV and got to work planning his hike. Just two weeks later, Robinson put two feet on the trail and began walking north. Robinson, dubbed “Akuna” on the trail, sits down with Shanty in episode 8 of the Out and Back podcast. He engages in a frank discussion about how hiking has helped him find purpose, community, and the space and time he needs to focus on himself. He recounts how the PCT hike allowed him to address his PTSD and Depression. Inspired by how the trail made him feel, Akuna continued on to hike the Appalachian Trail and the Continental Divide Trail — becoming the first Black man to complete the Triple Crown of long trails in America. Tune in as Robinson talks about being the first Black man to complete the Triple Crown, what that achievement has meant to him, and how all the hateful comments on social media mentally drained him. Akuna also touches on the recent flood of media requests in his inbox regarding speaking about the issues people of color face in the outdoors. He explains what he believes his fellow hikers can do on trail to make the outdoors a more welcoming place for people of color, and what it means for outdoor brands to become better allies. Laid back yet passionate about hiking, Akuna highlights the healing nature of trails everywhere, whether long, short, or in between.

If you’ve ever wondered how much money it takes to set off on a long thru-hike like the Appalachian Trail or the Pacific Crest Trail, guess no more. In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Shanty tackles thru-hiking’s financial costs with author, gear reviewer, and dedicated long-distance hiker Liz Thomas. Known as “Snorkel” in the trail community, Thomas gives an honest and realistic picture of a thru-hiker’s budget. Learn Snorkel’s philosophy on buying gear, ways to save money in trail towns, and hear about all the hidden expenses that most hikers never even consider. Snorkel also takes us out of the wilderness and to the city sidewalk with 14 urban trekking routes across American cities. From Los Angeles to Seattle, Snorkel created 100-mile hikes through metropolitan areas to make the joy of thru-hiking more accessible to people who enjoy the comforts of civilization. While not the most economical thru-hike, these trips provide a unique way to experience the hustle and bustle of the metropolis.

Shanty has a deep conversation with "Adventure Alan" Dixon, who inspires all of us to simply put “two feet on the trail” and get out there. A trailblazer of ultralight backpacking and author of one of the most popular and comprehensive backpacking websites available (adventurealan.com), Dixon is widely known for his spec-heavy, detail-oriented backpacking gear reviews and expert advice on all things backcountry. But in this interview, Dixon leaves behind his engineering background and the gear spreadsheets to reveal his more vulnerable side. Dixon recounts one of the most harrowing mishaps of his outdoor career, bringing him and his climbing partner to hallucinations and the brink of death in the Tetons of Wyoming. He talks about the “controlled chaos” of his upbringing that trained him to love high adventure in the outdoors and why he prefers high routes to slaying miles on long-distance trails. Although an early adopter of the most extreme versions of ultralight backpacking, Dixon tells us that you should not wait until you have the perfect gear or are in better physical shape to get moving on the trail. His goal is to encourage everyone to get on the trail and start hiking today. Tune in to episode 6 to learn more about Adventure Alan and his backpacking philosophy, including the one thing you need to leave behind in order to lighten your backpack.

Take a ride with Kevin and Sarah McCuiston of "Lifestyle Overland" in episode 5 of the Out and Back Podcast. Known for their full-time overlanding adventures, the McCuistons casually stepped into the sport when they were “looking for something to do” in rural New Mexico. Surrounded by public lands and sprawling open space, the couple quickly became obsessed with the freedom they felt on the backroads. They loved overlanding so much that they ditched the traditional 9-to-5 grind and took up residence on America’s lesser known trails, almost instantly becoming famous for their travels to wild places in their Toyota 4Runner “Silver.” On the show, Kevin and Sarah discuss their transition from conventional life to full-time overlanding (with their young daughter Caroline in tow), the nearly 800-mile Enchanted Rockies Trail they created in the beginning of their overlanding career, their northern trip through Canada, Alaska, and beyond the Arctic Circle, the details of their rig, tips for traveling long distance with a toddler, and their favorite meals out on the road. Finally, they explain how you can break into the sport of overlanding by seeking out trips on local trails and using the 4WD vehicle you already own.

Episode 4 has Shanty sitting down with Blue Ridge Outdoors 2020 Hiker of the Year, Daniel White. Known as "The Blackalachian" in the outdoor community, White tackled his first thru-hike in 2017 when he turned to the Appalachian Trail to get away from a bad break up and burn out at his job. In this episode, White recounts the ups and downs of his AT completion, opening up about a racist encounter at his camp near the Mason-Dixon line on the AT. He also takes us through his "powerful" ride on the Underground Railroad Trail and his trips to Europe last year, where he hiked across Scotland and completed the Camino Del Norte in Spain. Fueled by both adversity and kindness from the people he met along the way, White’s drive for solo adventure shines through in this interview.

Shanty catches up with backpacking and navigation expert Andrew Skurka. Skurka started his long distance hiking career in 2002 when he completed the 2,170-mile Appalachian Trail as a novice backpacker. From there, Skurka took his hiking status to the next level by laying down the first tracks on three enormous, untouched routes in America. Through those thousands of miles of solo hiking, Skurka has become a master at finding his way in the wilderness. Listen in as Skurka takes us through his unusual progression of long-distance hiking, from the well worn path of the AT to these high-risk, high-mileage adventures. In the process, Skurka also touches on the multiple high routes he’s created in recent years, what he carries in his backcountry navigation kit, and the one, simple concept that everyone can do to stay found in the backcountry.

Shanty catches up with free-spirited and fun-focused Thomas Gathman, who picked up the trail name "The Real Hiking Viking" due to his Norse-like beard and his warrior status as a former Marine Scout Sniper. Viking served two combat tours in Iraq before coming home, selling all his possessions, and hiking more than 20,000 miles on America's longest trails. In this episode, Shanty goes beyond the iconic beard and unravels Viking's often-overlooked journey from sniper to pro hiker. Viking shines a light on how he was first introduced to thru-hiking culture and what inspired him to step on the trail and never look back.

The Out and Back Podcast launches with Heather “Anish” Anderson, who spells out the complex set of factors that drove her to accomplish speed records on the Pacific Crest Trail, the Appalachian Trail, and the Arizona Trail, as well as become one of a handful of athletes to nab all three long trails, some 7,500+ miles of hiking, in a single calendar year. In this episode, Anderson explains how she faced her fear head-on to finally convince herself that she is indeed an athlete as well as what inspired her in her journey from her first overnight backpack trip in 2001 to thru-hiking some 30,000 miles over the last 19 years. Finally, she talks about the very real “post hike depression” that she and other thru-hikers experience after re-entering society following months on the trail, how journaling helped her process the grief that overcame her after claiming the fastest known time on the PCT, and how those journals ultimately formed the basis of her book "Thirst: 2600 Miles to Home" (Mountaineer Books).