Podcasts about former white nationalist

What if your next disagreement could actually bring you closer to someone instead of driving you apart? In this episode, we're diving into Conflict Resilience: Negotiating Disagreement Without Giving Up or Giving In with co-authors Bob Bordone, a conflict resolution expert from Harvard, and Joe Salinas, a behavioral neurologist and founder of Isaac Health. Together with Yael, they have a down-to-earth conversation about what it really takes to stay present in conflict and why that matters for your relationships and your brain.  You'll hear personal stories, surprising research, and powerful insights on why it's so important to get comfortable with discomfort, listen with an open heart, and know when (and how) to engage in tough conversations. Listen and Learn:  What happens when a conflict avoider and a conflict expert team up to explore how tension builds connection? Why do two people experience the same conflict so differently, and how does your brain shape that story? Is conflict really worse today, or have we just lost the resilience to stay in the heat and handle it? Why avoiding conflict rewires your brain to fear it and building resilience means facing the heat, slowly. How sharing real stories across deep divides can reshape how we see “the other” and actually spark true change. Can deeper listening to those we disagree with reshape our brains, our beliefs, and maybe even our world? Why listening grows from curiosity to open space for real connection Knowing when to engage or exit conflict starts with curiosity and protects both peace and power Resources:  Conflict Resilience: Negotiating Disagreement Without Giving Up or Giving In: http://www.conflictresiliencebook.com Joel's website: https://joelsalinasmd.com/ Bob's website: https://www.bobbordone.com/about-me#:~:text=My%20Story,served%20as%20the%20Thaddeus%20R Yael's newsletter interview with the authors of You're Not as Crazy as I Thought (But You're Still Wrong)—on the topic of moving from “me versus you” to “us versus the problem” Additional Books Referenced in the Episode  Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781250338143  The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780393354775 Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780525434955 The Klansman's Son: My Journey from White Nationalism to Antiracism: A Memoir: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781419764783 You're Not as Crazy as I Thought (But You're Still Wrong): https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781612344614 About Bob Bordone:  Robert C. Bordone is a Senior Fellow at Harvard Law School, founder and former director of the Harvard Negotiation and Mediation Clinical Program, former Thaddeus R. Beal Clinical Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, and founder of The Cambridge Negotiation Institute. He is co-author of Designing Systems and Processes for Managing Disputes, and co-editor of The Handbook of Dispute Resolution. Bordone was ranked among 2025's World's Top 30 Negotiation Professionals by Global Gurus. About Joel Salinas:  Joel Salinas, M.D. is a behavioral neurologist, scientist, and Clinical Associate Professor of Neurology at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine, founder and Chief Medical Officer at Isaac Health, and former Harvard Medical School faculty. He is the author of Mirror Touch: A Memoir of Synesthesia and the Secret Life of the Brain.   Related Episodes: 51. The Psychology of Political Division with Yael and Debbie 392. Outraged with Kurt Gray 397. The Mindful Path to Intimacy with James Còrdova 276. Assertive Communication Skills with Randy Paterson 371. Uniting Toward a Better Future with Diana McLain Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We sit down with Katie McHugh, who walked away from the center of the Alt Right and has been helping to fight them ever since. We're also joined by the Southern Poverty Law Center's Michael Edison Hayden to talk about his experiences working with Katie, and how she's been an invaluable part of the fight against White Nationalism since walking away.Find this episode on your favorite podcast player here: https://pod.link/1647010767/Here are some of the sources and references we used to create this episode: U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL INVOLVED IN WHITE NATIONALIST MOVEMENT, HATEWATCH DETERMINEShttps://www.splcenter.org/gebertSTEPHEN MILLER'S AFFINITY FOR WHITE NATIONALISM REVEALED IN LEAKED EMAILShttps://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emailsLeaked Stephen Miller emails show Trump's point man on immigration promoted white nationalism, SPLC reportshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/12/leaked-stephen-miller-emails-suggest-trumps-point-man-immigration-promoted-white-nationalism/More Miller “hate group” emails leak as former reporter claims media hid "racist screeds" for yearshttps://www.salon.com/2019/11/14/more-miller-hate-group-emails-leak-as-former-reporter-claims-media-hid-racist-screeds-for-years/Can You Ever Trust a Former White Nationalist?https://politicalresearch.org/2022/05/11/can-you-ever-trust-former-white-nationalistQuestions? Comments? Email: griff@didnothingwrongpod.com This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.didnothingwrongpod.com/subscribe

Voltamos com mais um episódio do Escuta Essa, podcast semanal em que Denis e Danilo trocam histórias de cair o queixo e de explodir os miolos. Todas as quartas-feiras, no seu agregador de podcasts favorito, é a vez de um contar um causo para o outro. Neste episódio Denis conta sobre sua experiência de intercâmbio no Chipre. Não deixe de enviar os episódios do Escuta Essa para aquela pessoa com quem você também gosta de compartilhar histórias e aproveite para mandar seus comentários e perguntas no Spotify, nas redes sociais ⁠@escutaessapod⁠, ou no e-mail escutaessa@aded.studio. A gente sempre lê mensagens no final de cada episódio! ... NESTE EPISÓDIO - O episódio "A Conversation With a Former White Nationalist" (Uma conversa com um ex-nacionalista branco) do podcast "The Daily" entrevista Derek Black a respeito de sua ruptura com as ideias de sua família ao entrar na faculdade. Se preferir, é possível ler uma transcrição da entrevista aqui. - A bandeira do Chipre foi feita pelo cartunista turco-cipriota İsmet Güney em concurso em 1964. A ONU lançou outro concurso em 2004 pensando em uma bandeira para a unificação da ilha, o que nunca aconteceu. - Enosis é o nome dado ao movimento que buscava a anexação do Chipre à Grécia. - Existem oito pontos de passagem entre o sul e o norte do Chipre. O principal é o da Rua Ledra, no centro da capital Nicósia. A travessia foi liberada em 2008. - A raça Afrodite, exclusiva do Chipre, é reconhecida pela World Cat Association. ... AD&D STUDIO A AD&D produz podcasts e vídeos que divertem e respeitam sua inteligência! Acompanhe todos os episódios em ⁠⁠aded.studio⁠⁠ para não perder nenhuma novidade.

We sit down with Katie McHugh, who walked away from the center of the Alt Right and has been helping to fight them ever since. We're also joined by the Southern Poverty Law Center's Michael Edison Hayden to talk about his experiences working with Katie, and how she's been an invaluable part of the fight against White Nationalism since walking away. Find this episode on your favorite podcast player here: https://pod.link/1647010767/Here are some of the sources and references we used to create this episode:U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL INVOLVED IN WHITE NATIONALIST MOVEMENT, HATEWATCH DETERMINEShttps://www.splcenter.org/gebertSTEPHEN MILLER'S AFFINITY FOR WHITE NATIONALISM REVEALED IN LEAKED EMAILShttps://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emailsLeaked Stephen Miller emails show Trump's point man on immigration promoted white nationalism, SPLC reportshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/12/leaked-stephen-miller-emails-suggest-trumps-point-man-immigration-promoted-white-nationalism/More Miller “hate group” emails leak as former reporter claims media hid "racist screeds" for yearshttps://www.salon.com/2019/11/14/more-miller-hate-group-emails-leak-as-former-reporter-claims-media-hid-racist-screeds-for-years/Can You Ever Trust a Former White Nationalist?https://politicalresearch.org/2022/05/11/can-you-ever-trust-former-white-nationalistEmail us: didnothingwrongpod@protonmail.com This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.didnothingwrongpod.com/subscribe

Welcome back friends! On this episode of Book Swap fun Sam and Louise talk about Sam's two picks, YA title We Were Liars by E. Lockhart and the NF title Dear White Peacemakers: Dismantling Racism with Grit and Grace by Osheta Moore. Additional titles for reading: The Inner Work of Racial Justice: Healing Ourselves and Transforming Our Communities Through Mindfulness- Rhonda V. Magee The Abolitionist's Handbook: 12 Steps to Changing Yourself and the World by Patrisse Cullors Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist by Eli Saslow The Other Talk: Reckoning With White Privilege by Brendan Kiely The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander Between the World and Me: by Ta-Nehisi Coates White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Race by Robin D'Angelo Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man by Emmanuel Acho Theme music by Wolves Incidental music by Colorfilm --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/book-prose/message

Scott Ernest used to be a fierce white nationalist who would find ways to recruit others under the banner of hate. Today, he says he is a changed man, and now helps those he used to hate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sam Shain is a public school teacher whose book Education Revolution: Media Literacy for Political Awareness argues that K-12 students need to be equipped with the ability to analyze media and spot misinformation. This crucial skill, which helps them become informed participants in democracy and resist demagogues, is not actually widely taught. Shain explains how he teaches his students critical thinking, including playing "spot the fallacy" with Ben Shapiro videos and having students write their own piece of "fake news." In our conversation, we talk about why it's important to bring politics into the classroom and how to make sure kids hear dissenting perspectives without trying to indoctrinate them. Shain also recounts his own disturbing experience being forced out of a job after a complaint from a Trump-supporting parent. Nathan's recent article "Six Subjects That Should Be Taught In School But Aren't" can be read here. The book that Sam got in trouble for teaching, Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist, is available here. "If the teacher is merely teaching something that happened [in history], or teaching a book that might be a little bit controversial, [administrators] need to hold the line [against parent complaints]. And teachers need to do this sort of thing." — Sam Shain

In this episode, we will be discussing Systemic Racism in America with our guest, Frank. What is Systemic Racism? Does it exist in America? Does the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement fulfil the promise and obligation that the government made for equal rights in the United States? This is part 2 of the conversation. Don't miss Part 1 that we had last week! Join us and our guest, Frank, as we discuss Systemic Racism in America.Check out our website at http://artofdiscussing.buzzsprout.com, on Facebook at Art of Discussing and on Instagram @artofdiscussing.Got a topic that you'd like to see discussed? Interested in being a guest on our show? Just want to reach out to share an opinion, experience, or resource? Leave us a comment below or contact us at info@artofdiscussing.com!! We'd love to hear from you! Keep Discussing!Research/Resources Notes:White Fragility Why It's So Hard For White People to Talk about Racism by Robin DiAngelo (Beacon Press, 2018)Caste The Origins of Discontents by Isabel Wilkerson (Random House, 2020) Rising Out of Hatred The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist by Eli Saslow (Random House, 2018)The 13th (Netflix Documentary, 2016) Black Lives Matters Collection Director: Ava DuVernayKGW News: Systemic Racism Explained (YouTube) published August 6, 2020 available on https://youtu.be/DBxfnXql0ooThe Amber Ruffin Show: Homeownership is Rigged Against Black People. Instead, We Get “Da Hood” (YouTube) by The Amber Ruffin Show published on January 29, 2021 available on https://youtu.be/0nCSHzZIz2IUnconscious Bias Demonstration -CBS This Morning: How Americans View Events through a Partisan Lens (YouTube, 2020) Published on September 18, 2020 available on https://youtu.be/XlAsZUPiwNE Music found on Pixabay. Song name: "Clear Your Mind" by Caffeine Creek BandCheck out our website at http://artofdiscussing.buzzsprout.com, on Facebook at Art of Discussing and on Instagram @artofdiscussing.Got a topic that you'd like to see discussed? Interested in being a guest on our show? Just want to reach out to share an opinion, experience, or resource? Leave us a comment below or contact us at info@artofdiscussing.com!! We'd love to hear from you! Keep Discussing!Music found on Pixabay. Song name: "Clear Your Mind" by Caffeine Creek Band"

In this episode, we will be discussing Systemic Racism in America with our guest, Frank. What is Systemic Racism? Does it exist in America? Does the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement fulfil the promise and obligation that the government made for equal rights in the United States? This is part 1 of the conversation. Join us and our guest, Frank, as we discuss Systemic Racism in America.Check out our website at http://artofdiscussing.buzzsprout.com, on Facebook at Art of Discussing and on Instagram @artofdiscussing.Got a topic that you'd like to see discussed? Interested in being a guest on our show? Just want to reach out to share an opinion, experience, or resource? Leave us a comment below or contact us at info@artofdiscussing.com!! We'd love to hear from you! Keep Discussing!Research/Resources Notes:White Fragility Why It's So Hard For White People to Talk about Racism by Robin DiAngelo (Beacon Press, 2018)Caste The Origins of Discontents by Isabel Wilkerson (Random House, 2020) Rising Out of Hatred The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist by Eli Saslow (Random House, 2018)The 13th (Netflix Documentary, 2016) Black Lives Matters Collection Director: Ava DuVernayKGW News: Systemic Racism Explained (YouTube) published August 6, 2020 available on https://youtu.be/DBxfnXql0ooThe Amber Ruffin Show: Homeownership is Rigged Against Black People. Instead, We Get “Da Hood” (YouTube) by The Amber Ruffin Show published on January 29, 2021 available on https://youtu.be/0nCSHzZIz2IUnconscious Bias Demonstration -CBS This Morning: How Americans View Events through a Partisan Lens (YouTube, 2020) Published on September 18, 2020 available on https://youtu.be/XlAsZUPiwNE Music found on Pixabay. Song name: "Clear Your Mind" by Caffeine Creek BandCheck out our website at http://artofdiscussing.buzzsprout.com, on Facebook at Art of Discussing and on Instagram @artofdiscussing.Got a topic that you'd like to see discussed? Interested in being a guest on our show? Just want to reach out to share an opinion, experience, or resource? Leave us a comment below or contact us at info@artofdiscussing.com!! We'd love to hear from you! Keep Discussing!Music found on Pixabay. Song name: "Clear Your Mind" by Caffeine Creek Band"

Maya and Olivia sit down with Eli Slaslow, a reporter for the Washington Post and author of Rising out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist. He discusses his path as a journalist, how his stories impact him and how he wants his stories to impact others, and how we as a country can change for the better through exposing ourselves to stories about those that are different from us.

Derek Black, the godson of David Duke and the son of the creator of the website Stormfront, discusses the future of white nationalism in the context of recent events.See more from Jonathan Capehart: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jonathan-capehart/?utm_source=podcasts&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cape-upRead more from Washington Post Opinions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/?utm_source=podcasts&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cape-upSupport this podcast and the work of The Washington Post by subscribing, with a special, limited-time offer for podcast listeners. A digital subscription gets you unlimited access to everything The Post publishes. Subscribe to The Post now: washingtonpost.com/subscribe

I first met Matthew Heimbach when he was a leftwing teenager, and came to one of my shows, in 2005. It was after that that he joined what we used to call the Alt Right, or the white nationalist movement, founding the Traditionalist Workers Party. He left the movement only one year ago, and we've been in touch since then. This interview with Matthew is as timely as an interview could possibly be, one of the most interesting I've ever conducted, and certainly the longest.

Emily, John and David discuss the rising numbers of COVID cases, the politicization of the DOJ, and they are joined by Josh Levin to talk about Slow Burn’s newest season focused on David Duke. Here are some notes and references from this week’s show: Austan Goolsbee and Chad Syverson: “Lockdown, and Diversion: Comparing Drivers of Pandemic Economic Decline 2020, University of Chicago, Becker Friedman Institute for Economics Working Paper No. 2020-80.”  Kasra Zarei and John Duchneskie for the Philadelphia Inquirer: “Coronavirus Cases Rise in States with Relaxed Face Mask Policies”   Carol D. Leonnig and Joshua Partlow for the Washington Post: “Dozens of Secret Service Officers and Agents Told to Self-quarantine After Trump’s Tulsa Rally” Jonathan Martin, Alexander Burns, Matt Stevens for the New York Times: “Biden Takes Dominant Lead as Voters Reject Trump on Virus and Race” Slate’s Slow Burn, Season 4: David Duke Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist by Eli Saslow Here are this week’s cocktail chatters: John: Maria Konnikova for Wired: “Poker and the Psychology of Uncertainty”; The Biggest Bluff: How I Learned to Pay Attention, Master Myself, and Win by Maria Konnikova Emily: Christoph Koettl, Nilo Tabrizy, Muyi Xiao, Natalie Reneau and Drew Jordan for The New York Times: “How the Philadelphia Police Tear-Gassed a Group of Trapped Protesters”   David: Melissa Fay Greene for the Atlantic: “30 Years Ago, Romania Deprived Thousands of Babies of Human Contact” Listener chatter from Fredrik Hilding @FHilding: Jessica Leigh Hester for Atlas Obscura’s Show & Tell podcast: “Show and Tell With Colored-Pencil Cartographer Anton Thomas” Slate Plus members get a bonus segment on the Gabfest each week, and access to special bonus episodes throughout the year. Sign up now to listen and support our show. For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment David, Emily, and John discuss some of the nicer changes the pandemic has brought to their daily lives. You can tweet suggestions, links, and questions to @SlateGabfest. Tweet us your cocktail chatter using #cocktailchatter. (Messages may be quoted by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)   The email address for the Political Gabfest is gabfest@slate.com. (Email may be quoted by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.) Podcast production by Jocelyn Frank. Research and show notes by Bridgette Dunlap. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Emily, John and David discuss the rising numbers of COVID cases, the politicization of the DOJ, and they are joined by Slow Burn's Josh Levin to talk about the new season focused on David Duke. Here are some notes and references from this week’s show: Austan Goolsbee and Chad Syverson: “Lockdown, and Diversion: Comparing Drivers of Pandemic Economic Decline 2020, University of Chicago, Becker Friedman Institute for Economics Working Paper No. 2020-80.”  Kasra Zarei and John Duchneskie for the Philadelphia Inquirer: “Coronavirus Cases Rise in States with Relaxed Face Mask Policies”   Carol D. Leonnig and Joshua Partlow for the Washington Post: “Dozens of Secret Service Officers and Agents Told to Self-quarantine After Trump’s Tulsa Rally” Jonathan Martin, Alexander Burns, Matt Stevens for the New York Times: “Biden Takes Dominant Lead as Voters Reject Trump on Virus and Race” Slate’s Slow Burn, Season 4: David Duke Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist by Eli Saslow Here are this week’s cocktail chatters: John: Maria Konnikova for Wired: “Poker and the Psychology of Uncertainty”; The Biggest Bluff: How I Learned to Pay Attention, Master Myself, and Win by Maria Konnikova Emily: Christoph Koettl, Nilo Tabrizy, Muyi Xiao, Natalie Reneau and Drew Jordan for The New York Times: “How the Philadelphia Police Tear-Gassed a Group of Trapped Protesters”   David: Melissa Fay Greene for the Atlantic: “30 Years Ago, Romania Deprived Thousands of Babies of Human Contact” Listener chatter from Fredrik Hilding @FHilding: Jessica Leigh Hester for Atlas Obscura’s Show & Tell podcast: “Show and Tell With Colored-Pencil Cartographer Anton Thomas” Slate Plus members get a bonus segment on the Gabfest each week, and access to special bonus episodes throughout the year. Sign up now to listen and support our show. For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment David, Emily, and John discuss some of the nicer changes the pandemic has brought to their daily lives. You can tweet suggestions, links, and questions to @SlateGabfest. Tweet us your cocktail chatter using #cocktailchatter. (Messages may be quoted by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)   The email address for the Political Gabfest is gabfest@slate.com. (Email may be quoted by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.) Podcast production by Jocelyn Frank. Research and show notes by Bridgette Dunlap. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With the inclusion of psychiatrist Dr. Amy Banks on the weekly Zoom call, Don talks with two Amys this week about racism at work when discussing police shootings and gun control. Dr. Banks explains the neuroscience that bakes our prejudices into our minds and body, and they talk about the value of recalling positive relational moments to help your body feel calm.Additional resources:"Indianapolis Police Officer Shoots Man in Livestreamed Killing. Here's What to Know" (Time, by Josiah Bates, May 7, 2020)https://time.com/5833625/indianapolis-police-shooting-sean-reed/"Coronavirus: Armed protesters enter Michigan statehouse" (BBC, May 1, 2020)https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514"Armed black citizens escort Michigan lawmaker to capitol after volatile rightwing protest" (The Guardian, by Lois Beckett, May 7, 2020)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protestRising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist (by Eli Saslow)https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39706735-rising-ou "Trump contradicts nurse he's honoring over PPE availability" (CNN, by Nikki Carvajal, May 6, 2020)https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/donald-trump-nurse-ppe-coronavirus/index.html Buy "Your Racist Friend" by They Might Be Giants on iTunes

The stories we tell about who we are, who we've been, and who we want to become are important. Everyone deserves to have their stories told and heard, no matter the content. In this episode, we have a conversation with The Washington Post's Eli Saslow about his book, Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist and the importance of storytelling.

The stories we tell about who we are, who we’ve been, and who we want to become are important. Everyone deserves to have their stories told and heard, no matter the content. In this episode, we have a conversation with The Washington Post’s Eli Saslow about his book, Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist and the importance of storytelling.

Radio show host Derek Black grew up at the epicenter of white nationalism. His father founded Stormfront, the largest racist community on the Internet. His godfather, David Duke, was a KKK Grand Wizard. But even someone steeped in the culture of white nationalism found the space to question the prejudices behind his beliefs. Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Eli Saslow joined us at Town Hall to tell the story of how the man who was considered the “leading light” of the burgeoning white nationalist movement confronted and disavowed everything he was taught to believe. Saslow took the stage in conversation with KNKX journalist Simone Alicea to relate Derek’s story with great empathy and narrative verve. He offered insight from his book Rising Out of Hatred, recounting how Derek’s fellow student at New College of Florida discovered his white nationalist broadcast, and how the ensuing uproar overtook one of the most liberal colleges in the country. Some students protested Derek’s presence on campus, forcing him to reconcile for the first time with the ugliness of his beliefs. Other students found the courage to reach out to him, including an Orthodox Jew who invited Derek to attend weekly Shabbat dinners. It was because of those dinners—and the wide-ranging relationships formed at that table—that Derek started to confront the history of his worldview and reckon with the damage he had done. Saslow and Alicea explored Derek’s story as a study of America’s increasingly divided nature, and lend critical empathy to this inflection point in our country to help us better understand one another. Eli Saslow is a Washington Post staff writer and author of Ten Letters: The Stories Americans Tell Their President. He won the Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting in 2014 and was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing in 2013, 2016 and 2017. Simone Alicea is a reporter and fill-in host at KNKX. Formerly, she covered breaking news at the Chicago Sun-Times. She has also spent time in Cape Town, South Africa, covering metro news for the Cape Times. Recorded live in the Forum by Town Hall Seattle on December 5, 2019.

Shelly Tochluk is an educator, with a background in psychology, she has spent ten years as a researcher, counselor, and teacher in California’s public schools. She now trains teachers to work with Los Angeles’ diverse school population as a Professor in the Education Department at Mount Saint Mary’s University-Los Angeles. Shelly currently work with AWARE-LA (Alliance of White Anti-Racists Everywhere-Los Angeles). With this group, she co-created a workshop series that leads white people into a deeper understanding of their personal relationship to race, white privilege, and systemic racism. Resources and links mentioned in this episode - Kimmel, Michael.  Healing from Hate: How Young Men Get Into—and Out of—Violent Extremism. -Reveal News. Hate in the Homeland, https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/hate-in-the-homeland/ -Saslow,Eli.  Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist. -shellytochluk.com -Tenold, Vegas.  Everything You Love Will Burn: Inside the Rebirth of White Nationalism in America. -Tochluk, Shelly, and Christine Saxman.  “Swastikas in the Bathroom: Connecting the Dots between White Supremacy, White Nationalism, the Alt-Right, and the Alt-Light.”  Medium,  https://medium.com/@shellytochluk/swastikas-in-the-bathroom-connecting-the-dots-between-white-supremacy-white-nationalism-the-dc5d6ec266f2 -Tochluk, Shelly.  Witnessing Whiteness: The Need to Talk About Race and How to Do It.  2nd ed. -usvshate.org

This episode is a rebroadcast of the interview Matt Tullis did with Eli Saslow back in September 2014. Saslow, a reporter for the Washington Post, had just won the Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting for his six-part series on food stamps in a post-recession America. Tullis and Saslow talked about that series and much more. Since joining the podcast, Saslow has continued to write compelling stories that show the big issues facing our country in minute detail. He’s written about the opioid epidemic, how the made-up stories get passed around the Internet as news, immigration, and more. In June 2018, he wrote a story about the school resource officer at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, who didn’t go into the school to engage the shooter. Saslow’s story about a white supremacist turning his back on the movement was ultimately expanded into a book. Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist was published by Penguin Random House in September 2018. The paperback version of that book will be on sale on September 3 of this year. Saslow has won more awards than I can list. He won the Pulitzer in 2014, and was a finalist for that award in 2013, 2016, and 2017.

Watch more conversations (for patrons): https://www.patreon.com/SJME   As a youth, Leon Korteweg joined a neo-Nazi group in the Netherlands, dabbled in Holocaust denial, resisted what he thought was the replacement of the white race with immigrants, and dreamed about an ethnostate. Today, he speaks out against nationalist and religious tribalism in all its forms, and warns about the dangers of radicalization. We talk about the factors that led him to be a white nationalist, the factors that helped him abandon the ideology, the parallels between white supremacist terrorism and Islamic terrorism, the recent rise of far right authoritarian populism, the left's failures in understanding and countering this problem, the differences between far-right and far-left violence, the El Paso and Dayton shootings, Christchurch, incels, and the most effective approaches to counter the threat of radicalization among (mostly) young men. This is an eye-opening conversation that couldn't be more important or relevant in these times. Don't miss it.

This week Alice and Kim talk about Barack Obama’s summer nonfiction picks, the world’s deadliest predator, and true stories inside cults and places with cult-like thinking. This episode is sponsored by Book Riot Insiders, Skin Deep by Gavin Evans, published by Oneworld Publications and Chase Darkness with Meby Billy Jensen. Subscribe to For Real using RSS, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or Stitcher. For more nonfiction recommendations, sign up for our True Story newsletter, edited by Kim Ukura. FOLLOW UP Exile and Pride: Disability, Queerness and Liberation by Eli Clare NONFICTION IN THE NEWS Barack Obama’s summer reading list Publisher’s Weekly: Workman to Publish AOC Bio NEW BOOKS Breaking the Ocean: A Memoir of Race, Rebellion, and Reconciliation by Annahid Dashtgard The Yellow House: A Memoir by Sarah M. Broom Dead Blondes and Bad Mothers: Monstrosity, Patriarchy, and the Fear of Female Power by Sady Doyle The Mosquito: A Human History of Our Deadliest Predator by Timothy C. Winegard CULTS! Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer The Road to Jonestown: Jim Jones and the People’s Temple by Jeff Guinn Without You, There is No Us: My Time with the Sons of North Korea’s Elite by Suki Kim Underground: The Tokyo Gas Attack and the Japanese Psyche by Haruki Murakami READING NOW Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist by Eli Saslow Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemptionby Laura Hillenbrand

On this episode...I manage to catch up with Corinna Luray Olsen, the former white nationalist that I interviewed in 2013 and revisited here on Episode 29 of this podcast Corinna talks about her recent conversion to Islam, her current work in funeral homes doing reconstructive work for trauma cases, and other developments in her life since we last spoke. We also discuss the parallels of what she witnessed in the white nationalist movement and how the ideology has made it's way into mainstream American politics, how immigration has been used as an issue to push white nationalist ideas into the mainstream long before Trump, how hate groups recruit at gun shows and other avenues, how the rise of the incels has overlapped with white nationalism, and Corinna dispels Western myths about Islam. Really great talk.  Email: paradoxofcivility@gmail.comTwitter: @civilpodcastFacebook:  https://www.facebook.com/paradoxofcivility/ Articles/References from episode: Corinna Luray Olsen:website: https://iamcori.comtwitter: @6PointMePlease El Paso Shooting:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/09/us/el-paso-shooting-friday/index.htmlEssay from former white supremacist Derek Black on El Paso and Trump's rhetoric:https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/07/el-paso-shooting-white-supremacy-donald-trump-column/1933421001/ Dayton Shooting:https://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-dayton-gunman-connor-betts-showed-signs-misogyny/story?id=64826324 Koch Foods ICE Raid:Labor abuses and harassment: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-koch-foods/allegations-of-labor-abuses-dogged-mississippi-plant-years-before-immigration-raids-idUSKCN1UZ1OVKoch Foods ICE Q&A: http://kochfoodsinc.com/news/2019/08/09/ICERaidsMortonMSQandA Norway mosque shooting: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/11/norway-mosque-attack-suspect-may-have-been-inspired-by-christchurch-and-el-paso-shootings Night and Fog film:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_and_Fog_(1956_film) Music:  Gnossienne no. 1 by International Surrealist Bulletinis licensed under a CC0 1.0 Universal License.Remedy for Melancholy by Kai Engel is licensed under a Attribution License. 

This week on Unorthodox, one young man's journey out of white nationalism. Our Jewish guest is Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporter Eli Saslow, whose latest book is Rising out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist, which tells the story of Derek Black, the son of Stormfront founder Don Black and heir apparent to the White Nationalist movement. After enrolling in a diverse college and befriending a wide range of people—including Jewish students who invited him to weekly Shabbat dinners after he was outed as a white supremacist—Derek began to challenge his ingrained assumptions, ultimately denouncing the movement he was raised to lead and his family's involvement in it. We also talk to Derek himself, who tells producer Shira Telushkin about life after white nationalism, explains the anti-Semitic conspiracy theories at the root of the movement (plus the whole thing about lizard people), and shares the remorse and guilt he feels that the ideas he once publicly espoused and proliferated inspired the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter. We're heading to the West Coast! We'll be at Adat Shalom in Los Angeles Friday, Feb. 1 at 7 p.m. for a special Shabbat show with actor and director Lauren Miller Rogen, 'Black-ish' producer Jonathan Groff, and Iranian-Jewish philanthropist Rachel Sumekh; get your tickets here. Then we'll be at the Stroum JCC in the Seattle area Saturday, Feb. 2 for a special live show with Dan Savage of the Savage Lovecast. Get your tickets here. We love to hear from you: Send comments and questions for Unorthodox to Unorthodox@tabletmag.com or leave a message at our listener line: 914-570-4869. This episode is sponsored by the Yiddish Book Center’s Great Jewish Books Summer Program for high school juniors and seniors. To learn more and apply, visit: www.yiddishbookcenter.org/greatjewishbooks. This episode is also sponsored by JChef, the new kosher meal kit. Go to Jchef.com/unorthodox and use coupon code Unorthodox30 to get 30 percent off your first order. Additional support for this episode comes from Harry's. Get a free trial shave set at Harrys.com/UNORTHODOX. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

January Junior Library Guild Collection Box Unveiling - 1)UnBroken: 13 Stories Staring Disabled Teens 2) That Night by Amy Giles 3) Even If I Fall by Abigail Johnson 4)My Sister the Serial Killing by Oyinkan Braithwaite 5)Attucks! by Phillip Hoose 6) American Dialogue by Joseph Ellis 7)Trinity by Louisa Hall 8) Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist by Eli Saslow 9)DeadFall by Stephen Wallenfels

This week Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) talked with journalist Eli Saslow (@elisaslow) and Derek Black (@RDerekBlack) about Derek Black’s transformation from a white nationalist to an antiracist activist. They began with current news and what Trump means for the rise of white nationalism into everyday life. Derek then talked about his background growing up as a white nationalist, and what it took for him to change his ideology. They continued with mistakes made by the media and within American culture that contributed to the normalization of white supremacy. They ended with a discussion of what it takes to change someone’s mind, and a sense of hope that it is possible. Thanks to our sponsors! This episode of With Friends Like These is brought to you by Ritual. Whether you’re living life—or creating it—why not add some good looking science into your daily routine? Visit ritual.com/ FRIENDS to start your ritual today With Stamps.com you can access all the amazing services of the Post Office, right from your desk, 24/7, when it’s convenient for YOU. Go to Stamps.com, before you do anything else, click on the Radio Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in FRIENDS. With Friends Like These is brought to you by the upcoming film The Front Runner, from Oscar-nominated director Jason Reitman who brought us Thank You For Smoking, Juno, and Up In The Air. Two things to do November 6th—vote! And see The Front Runner. Text FRONT RUNNER to 26797 to find your nearest polling place and buy your tickets to see The Front Runner. Most bedding is marked up as much as 300%. But by taking the middleman out of the equation and delivering directly to the customer, Brooklinen is able to give you luxury sheets without that luxury markup. Get $20 off AND free shipping when you use promo code [friends] at Brooklinen.com. Whatever you love to do, there’s a pair of Bombas that’ll add comfort to your life as you do it. They were created for runners, power walkers, power loungers, low-key fashionistas, snowboarders, business sharks, business casual sharks, people who prefer the outdoors, Netflix-and-chill-ers, and overall lovers of everyday comfort. If you go to bombas.com/FRIENDS and enter FRIENDS at checkout you’ll get 20% off your first order.

Eli Saslow is a Pulitzer Prize- winning journalist, and a leading voice in the discourse around resurgent white nationalism and how to combat it. His first book-length treatment of this subject, Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist, hits shelves in September. The book follows Saslow’s relationship with Derek Black, a white supremacist from one of […]

Eli Saslow is a Pulitzer Prize- winning journalist, and a leading voice in the discourse around resurgent white nationalism and how to combat it. His first book-length treatment of this subject, Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist, hits shelves in September. The book follows Saslow’s relationship with Derek Black, a […]

Eli Saslow is a Pulitzer Prize- winning journalist, and a leading voice in the discourse around resurgent white nationalism and how to combat it. His first book-length treatment of this subject, Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist, hits shelves in September. The book follows Saslow’s relationship with Derek Black, a […]

Eli Saslow is a Pulitzer Prize- winning journalist, and a leading voice in the discourse around resurgent white nationalism and how to combat it. His first book-length treatment of this subject, Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist, hits shelves in September. The book follows Saslow’s relationship with Derek Black, a white supremacist from one of […]

On The Gist, the Kavanaugh hearing. By all accounts, Derek Black was supposed to become the next David Duke. He was the man’s godson, after all, and his father, Don Black, had founded Stormfront, the world’s first and biggest white nationalist website. But then Derek went to New College of Florida, where—as told by the Washington Post’s Eli Saslow—he was shunned by many of his peers for his racist views, and embraced by a few despite them. Saslow’s book is Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist.  In the Spiel, more on the Kavanaugh hearing, and Trump’s continuing belief that 52 percent of women voted for him. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On The Gist, the Kavanaugh hearing. By all accounts, Derek Black was supposed to become the next David Duke. He was the man’s godson, after all, and his father, Don Black, had founded Stormfront, the world’s first and biggest white nationalist website. But then Derek went to New College of Florida, where—as told by the Washington Post’s Eli Saslow—he was shunned by many of his peers for his racist views, and embraced by a few despite them. Saslow’s book is Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist.  In the Spiel, more on the Kavanaugh hearing, and Trump’s continuing belief that 52 percent of women voted for him. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Eli Saslow is a Pulitzer-winning feature writer for the Washington Post. His new book is Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist.

Recent events have engendered a multitude of questions about the white nationalist movement. What draws people to the movement? Have social networks provided an opportunity to increase membership? Can we change people’s minds with civil discourse? Is civil discourse possible? Host Chris Robichaud welcomes R. Derek Black, a former white nationalist activist, to share his unique story and perspective. Watch Black speak at Harvard Kennedy School in the JFK Jr. Forum via the Harvard Institute of Politics website: http://iop.harvard.edu/forum/im-not-racist-examining-white-nationalist-efforts-normalize-hate Want more This Week in Dystopia? Don't forget to subscribe, follow This Week in Dystopia on Twitter @WeekinDystopia, and like the show on Facebook. This podcast is brought to you by the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at the Harvard Kennedy School.