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Coming to terms with a messed up subculture. One conversation at a time.

Blake Chastain


    • May 26, 2022 LATEST EPISODE
    • every other week NEW EPISODES
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    • 175 EPISODES

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    White Too Long (re-release with new intro)

    Play Episode Listen Later May 26, 2022 69:38

    Note: there is a leveling discrepancy between the intro comments and the interview, which begins around the 10:30 mark. There's been two major shootings in the last two weeks. I try to piece together some thoughts, and combine a couple things from recent essays, in the intro to this re-released episode with Robert Jones. I guess it's best to just listen. Essays I adapt for the intro: Let the circle be broken. Live Free and Die. The interview is part of season 1 of Powers & Principalities, which is about white evangelicalism & Christian nationalism. Interview description: My guest is Robert Jones, founder and CEO of PRRI (The Public Religion Research Institute), and author of the recent book White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity (Amazon, Bookshop). In this discussion, we talk about how his book reveals the ways white American Christianity's history of white supremacy pervades all denominations - white evangelicals, mainline Protestants, and white Catholics. We discuss the "restricted moral vision" of white Christians, the findings of the Racism Index, and much more. Boilerplate: Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, LLC. Support this show and all of Blake's work at $4, $6, or $8 per month at postevangelicalpost.com and get ad-free podcast feeds, access to the supporter Discord, and subscriber-exclusive posts. 25% of net revenue from subscriptions is donated. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Nick Ripatrizone, author of Digital Communion

    Play Episode Listen Later May 19, 2022 69:30

    My guest today is Nick Ripatrizone. Nick is a writer for The Millions, culture editor for Image Journal and author of the new book Digital Communion: Marshall McLuhan's Vision for a Virtual Age. Marshall McLuhan was a "prophet of the digital age," whose prescient writings about "electronic man" in the 60s and 70s anticipated the effects that new media such as television and what he called "electric circuitry" would have on individuals and society. (The tech-oriented "Shaped by Tools" vertical of The Post-Evangelical Post is named after the McLuhan axiom "First we shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us." Ripatrizone's book explores how McLuhan's religious convictions (he was nominally raised Protestant in Canada, and converted to Catholicism during early adulthood) and outlook informed how he saw the world. This is a really fascinating conversation and I hope you'll check out Nick's book, as well as McLuhan's, after listening. Follow Nick on Twitter and buy his book via your local bookstore or Bookshop.org (affiliate link). Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, LLC. Support this show and all of Blake's work at $4, $6, or $8 per month at postevangelicalpost.com and get ad-free podcast feeds, access to the supporter Discord, and subscriber-exclusive posts. 25% of net revenue from subscriptions is donated. McLuhan's books: The Medium is the Massage Understanding Media Listen to The Medium is the Massage album on Spotify. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Andre Henry, author of All The White Friends I Couldn't Keep

    Play Episode Listen Later May 12, 2022 68:45

    I'm honored to share this conversation with Andre Henry with you today. Andre Henry is an author, musician, and activist, and author of the book All the White Friends I Couldn't Keep: Hope--and Hard Pills to Swallow--About Fighting for Black Lives (affiliate link to Bookshop.org). We talk about Andre's experience in white evangelical environments, as well as how his increasing activism for racial justice made staying in white evangelical spaces untenable. His story and work is not limited to interactions with white evangelicalism, however, and we touch on many more topics throughout this conversation. Learn more about Andre and the breadth of his work at andrehenry.co. - Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, LLC. Support The Post-Evangelical Post at $4, $6, or $8 per month and get access to ad-free podcast feeds, a supporter discord, subscriber-only content, and more. 25% of net proceeds from subscriptions are donated each month. Learn more at postevangelicalpost.com/about. Free tiers are also available. Not interested in ongoing subscriptions? One-time tipping is accepted via Venmo. Find links to Blake's social pages at https://blakechastain.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    April Ajoy

    Play Episode Listen Later May 5, 2022 58:20

    April Ajoy joins the show! You probably know her from TikTok, where she creates at turns funny and serious videos about "humorously detoxing American Christianity." We learn about her story, about how she got started on TikTok, and more! Check out all of April's projects: TikTok The Evangelicalish podcast Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, LLC. You can support the show at $4, $6, or $8/month at postevangelicalpost.com and get access to ad-free podcast feeds, subscriber-only content, and the PEP Discord. I donate 25% of net proceeds each month to groups that serve populations harmed by white evangelicalism. Find links to all my social media accounts at blakechastain.com This episode was edited by Elizabeth Nordenholt of Podcat Audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    The leaked SCOTUS ruling shows why white evangelicals supported Trump en masse

    Play Episode Listen Later May 4, 2022 6:33

    This was also published as an essay at The Post-Evangelical Post. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, LLC. Learn how to support my work here. There are many resources about reproductive health available. If you want to approach it from an interfaith lens, start here. A reproductive rights advocate I've had on the show, Asha Dahya, can be followed on Instagram. Her episode is here. Links: https://postevangelicalpost.com https://instagram.com/brchastain_ https://exvangelicalpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Audio Essay: Twitter & The Counterpublic Sphere

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 29, 2022 15:34

    In this audio essay, adapted from The Post-Evangelical Post, I talk about Twitter's role in allowing "counterpublics" to flourish - and how #exvangelical relates to that. New interviews are coming - due to my recent ear surgery I am still restricted from listening to audio in both ears - which makes editing podcasts difficult. I am enlisting another producer to help. Please consider becoming a paid supporter of my work via The Post-Evangelical Post. There are free options, as well as tiers at $4, $6, or $8 per month. I donate 25% of net revenue each month. Follow me on Twitter, TikTok, or Instagram. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, LLC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Re-Release: Pete Holmes (2019 Interview)

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 14, 2022 86:16

    It's been over a month since I've released an episode. That was not my plan nor intention. But sometimes life intervenes. Just shy of a month ago, I had surgery to repair a lifelong issue with my ear - ruptured ear drum, and the recovery took much longer than I expected. It required me to slow down. I wrote about this over on my newsletter, The Post-Evangelical Post.  I have 6 episodes recorded that need editing, which I will get to releasing soon. In the meantime, enjoy this interview with Pete Holmes from 2019. - If you find this podcast meaningful, please consider supporting my work via Substack at postevangelicalpost.com. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post - a publication about belief, technology, and society, with a focus on white evangelical influence in American society. Much of this audio essay originally appeared as an entry there. In addition to Exvangelical, I also have a tech series called Shaped by Tools, and a book series called The Good Books. You can subscribe to my newsletter for free, and paid tiers are available at $4, $6, or $8 a month. Supporters receive ad-free podcast feeds to Exvangelical and Powers & Principalities, subscriber-only content, and Discord access. I donate 25% of net revenue to organizations that serve populations harmed by white evangelicalism, including White Homework and The Religious Exemption Accountability Project. While exvangelical and deconstruction content is certainly being widely discussed right now, bear in mind that this work is largely self-funded and is pushing back against evangelical entities like The Gospel Coalition that count their annual revenue in the millions. Your support will allow me to continue my work. Learn more at postevangelicalpost.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    The Both-And of Lent (Audio Essay)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 3, 2022 12:10

    Even though my relationship to religion is always shifting, some of the rituals and symbolism have more resonance than others. For me, in recent years Lent has been the most meaningful part of the Christian tradition, even if I'm not sure where I fall in relation to it. In this audio essay, I explore the both-and nature of Lent - through denial and affirmation. "I have made it a focus of both this show and my writing that, to me, the term ‘exvangelical' has its limits. I understand that it is inherently negative, in that it describes a former relationship. It also describes a formative relationship of incredible significance. As a term, as an identity marker, it is at once a recognition and renunciation of a certain type of belief and belonging. That is significant in and of itself. But it is a denial without a prescribed affirmation. What one chooses to affirm is up to them." In this 10 minute essay, I go into more detail. The transcript will be posted to postevangelicalpost.com later today. Support my work for $4/6/8 per month and get access to ad-free podcast feeds, Discord, and subscriber-only posts. Follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post and part of Irreverent Media Group. Check out more shows irreverent.fm. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    (Re-Release) White Evangelical Racism with Dr. Anthea Butler

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2022 53:44

    RE-RELEASE: Dr. Anthea Butler returns to the show (she was a guest on season one of Powers & Principalities) to discuss her new book, White Evangelical Racism. Her book is of utmost importance to helping us understand both our past and our current moment. We discuss the history of white evangelical racism, and how it played a part in the Jan 6th insurrection and the murders in Atlanta in March 2021. I also wrote about the book in my new series, The Good Books, published via my newsletter The Post-Evangelical Post. Help support the show directly via a paid subscription to the newsletter. (Free tiers are also available.) Stay tuned for more news about the show next week! This interview was recorded on 3/19/2021. Follow Dr. Butler on Twitter @AntheaButler. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain, and follow the show on Instagram @exvangelicalpod. This episode was produced and edited by Jake Lewis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Melissa Stewart (@lissajostewart on TikTok)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 10, 2022 78:22

    In this conversation, I speak with exvangelical Tiktokker Melissa Stewart (@lissajostewart) about her upbringing, how exvangelical spaces continue to evolve, and how platform differences (i.e. Twitter vs. TikTok) enable different conversations - and much more! As I mention in the introduction, note how Melissa talks about her experiences leaving fundamentalism, and how it differs from the way evangelical pastors who decry "deconstruction" or some other rhetorical bogeyman. #exvangelical has taken on a life of its own on TikTok, with 633 million views as of this writing. Melissa talks about her own experience as an observer of these spaces, and a bit about what it has been like to become a creator in the space. We couldn't cover every aspect of these topics in our conversation, but the great thing about our media landscape is that the conversation can continue. Follow Melissa @lissajostewart and follow Blake @brchastain_ on TikTok. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post. You can support the show at $4, $6, or $8 a month and get access to ad-free podcast feeds, a supporter Discord, and subscriber-only posts. Find out more at postevangelicalpost.com Exvangelical is part of the Irreverent Media Group. Check out all our podcasts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Justin Gentry & Sarah Heath are In Revcovery

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2022 86:52

    In this episode I chat with fellow IMG podcasters, Justin Gentry & Sarah Heath about their new show, Revcovery. Revcovery is all about the process of leaving the ministry profession. We cover a lot in the first half before turning our attention to the recent Vanity Fair profile of Jerry Falwell, Jr., and the confounding Christianity Today piece by Russell Moore. Find out more about Revcovery on irreverent.fm/show/revcovery. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post. Support my work directly at $4, $6, or $8/month and get access to ad-free podcast feeds, subscriber exclusive writing, Discord access, and more. Learn more at postevangelicalpost.com/subscribe. A free tiers is also available. Exvangelical is part of the Irreverent Media Group. Check out irreverent.fm for more shows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    On Forming and Expressing Identity Online

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 20, 2022 19:16

    In this audio essay, Blake talks frankly about how social media exacerbated a dark day he had recently, how social media affects emotions, and how our relationship to identifiers and communities change over time. Throughout 2022 I will be experimenting more with formats and episode types in the feed. Please let me know what you think by sending an email or reaching out on social media. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, a reader-supported publication. You can subscribe for $4, $6, and $8 a month to get access to ad-free podcast feeds, exclusive content, and Discord access.

    Powers & Principalities: The Inauspicious Anniversary of the Jan 6 Capitol Riot

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2022 68:52

    In this bonus episode of Powers & Principalities, I share my conversation with Chrissy Stroop on the inauspicious anniversary of the Jan 6 Capitol Riot. (One trigger/content note, we talk about Satanic Panic & child abuse in one section). We discuss the lead-up to Trump, the Trump administration, the insurrection, and the Big Lie that has taken root. We also talk about shifts in conversation around religion & Christianity in America, and look ahead at what political fights are to come. Powers & Principalities and Exvangelical are productions of The Post-Evangelical Post. You can support my work directly at postevangelicalpost.com, and you'll gain access to ad-free feeds, Discord, subscriber-only posts, and more to come in 2022. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain. Follow Chrissy Stroop on Twitter @c_stroop. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    R. Scott Okamato

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 23, 2021 81:25

    In this interview I chat with R. Scott Okamoto about music, life as a Christian college professor, and much more. Scott will also be hosting the upcoming exvangelical podcast, Chapel Probation. Learn more about Scott at his website, https://www.rscottokamoto.com/, and follow him on Twitter and Instagram. Help support this show via a paid subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post at $4, $6, or $8/month. Benefits include ad-free podcast feeds, exclusive content, and Discord access. Find all this and more, including my social accounts, at https://linktr.ee/brchastain. Exvangelical is part of the Irreverent Media Group. Find more content at https://irreverent.fm. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    On the Deconstruction Discourse

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 9, 2021 12:33

    In this mini, Blake talks about the recent spat of discussion about exvangelicals and people deconstructing that is happening. Parts of this script are adapted from Blake's twitter feed & newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Jeff Sharlet (Cheery Thanksgiving Conversation Starter Re-Release)

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2021 63:19

    I spoke to author Jeff Sharlet in November 2020, just after the election was called for Biden - but Trump was already signaling that he would not concede. The Jan 6 insurrection had not yet happened, but what would become The Big Lie had already begun to take root from those early days. I'm re-releasing another episode of Powers & Principalities Season 1 again, because these conversations continue to be relevant. New conversations are coming soon. Find the entirety of Season 1 of Powers & Principalities on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts for discussions with Kristin Kobes Du Mez, Sarah Posner, Julie Ingersoll, Bradley Onishi, Katherine Stewart, Anthea Butler, Diana Butler Bass, Sam Perry & Andrew Whitehead, Jack Jenkins, and Reza Aslan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1 Year Since the 2020 Election, with Brad Onishi

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2021 52:01

    In this episode, I talk with fellow IMG podcaster Bradley Onishi about how things have developed in the last year since the 2020 election. In that time we've seen Trump's decisive electoral loss, the Jan 6th insurrection, the entrenchment of The Big Lie within the GOP, and vaccine hesitancy. We've also seen reasons for hope. We talk about it all. This is an unedited conversation, recorded live-to-tape on November 4th, 2021. Read Brad's NYT editorial about the insurrection here, and support Straight White American Jesus on Patreon. I'm also writing a book! Read the announcement here. Subscribe to my newsletter at postevangelicalpost.substack.com - 25% of net revenue goes to organizations that serve communities harmed by white evangelicalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Minisode: Funding the Next Chapter of Exvangelical

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2021 10:06

    This past July marked 5 years of publishing Exvangelical. In this minisode, I describe my new funding/listener support model. Read the full post here. When you support the show via Substack, I will donate 25% of net revenue to organizations that serve populations harmed by white evangelicalism. Those organizations are: White Homework, The Religious Trauma Institute, and REAP (The Religious Exemption Accountability Project). Support the show at $8/month and receive access to ad-free feeds of Exvangelical and Powers & Principalities, and supporter-exclusive writing at The Post-Evangelical Post, with more perks to come in 2022. Learn more at The Post-Evangelical Post. Why this model? Because I think it's the right thing to do. I am building this from the ground-up with no outside funding, and have an opportunity to build a business model that includes reparative economics from the beginning. My work focuses on the personal & social impact of white evangelicalism. By committing to donate a significant percentage of my net revenue to organizations that serve communities that have been historically harmed by white evangelicalism, I am able to quite literally put my money where my mouth is. Further, I know that I cannot (and should not) try to speak to every potential audience—but I can help to finance the work of others who are better equipped than me to do so. I also acknowledge that the work I do is sensitive, and as a cis white man asking for direct support, it may activate some traumas that my own potential audience of supporters has. So long as we remain a capitalist society that does not provide universal basic income nor universal health care, that will remain an unavoidable tension and reality when I seek direct payment for my output. I hope to address some of that tension through this model. This model isn't perfect, but it is within my capacity to start here and in this manner. Thanks for listening. New episodes coming soon! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    The Religious Exemption Accountability Project

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2021 59:23

    In this episode, I chat with Paul Southwick & Erin Green of The Religious Exemption Accountability Project (REAP). Paul Southwick (he/him) is Director of REAP, and Erin Green (she/they) is REAP's Campus & Alumni Organizer. REAP has filed a landmark class action lawsuit, Elizabeth Hunter, et al. v. U.S. Department of Education, that challenges the religious exemption Christian college and other religious colleges use to deny LGBTQ+ students Title IX protections - and still receive federal funding. Learn more about the lawsuit and REAP's work at thereap.org. CW: this conversation includes discussion of sexual and gender discrimination and other forms of abuse. We talk about how LGBTQ+ students are treated by college administrations, how LGBTQ+ students end up at religious colleges, the history of religious colleges resisting civil rights, and why a formal legal challenge is important. Support the show via a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain. Buy merch: https://exvangelical.threadless.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Meghan O'Gieblyn, author of "God, Human, Animal, Machine"

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 24, 2021 59:42

    On 9/9/21, I spoke with Meghan O'Gieblyn, author of the new book God, Human, Animal, Machine: Technology, Metaphor, and the Search for Meaning. We talked about her time at Moody Bible Institute, experiencing 9/11 on a Christian campus, the similarities between Christian prophecy & secular transhumanism, and all sorts of other great things. Buy Meghan's book on Bookshop.org or at your local independent bookstore. (Yes, that is an affiliate link, and it helps the show). Follow Meghan on Twitter. Support the show directly via a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post newsletter. Follow Blake on Twitter, Instagram, or TikTok. Exvangelical is a production of The Post-Evangelical Post, LLC and a part of the Irreverent Media Group podcast collective. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Peterson Toscano On Activism, Trauma, and Curiosity

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2021 36:55

    Recorded on 9/1/2021, I spoke with Peterson Toscano all the way in South Africa. Peterson is podcaster, performer, climate activist, and biblical scholar. In this conversation, Peterson talks about activism, trauma, and recognizing when to move on to other projects. We also talk about curiosity, the role of relationships in activism & He-Man! Learn all about Peterson's projects at https://petersontoscano.com/ Support my work via a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post newsletter. Follow me on Twitter @brchastain, and on Instagram & TikTok. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Christian Nationalist Political Tactics with Katherine Stewart (Re-Release)

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 2, 2021 81:34

    In light of the TX SB8 law going into effect, and SCOTUS' refusal to strike it down, I am re-releasing this episode I recorded with Katherine Stewart, author of The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism. This book is extremely helpful in detailing the strategies and tactics employed by Christian nationalist politicians and their allies. This interview part of Season 1 of Powers & Principalities. Listen to that season here. Follow me on Twitter @brchastain, on Instagram/TikTok @brchastain_. Support the shows & my writing at The Post-Evangelical Post. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    In Conversation with Jamie Lee Finch

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 26, 2021 104:28

    Jamie Lee Finch, author of You Are Your Own, returns to the show! We had been planning to talk this month for quite some time, but our conversation has a different tenor than we anticipated. This is one conversation among many about issues surrounding exvangelical/deconstruction spaces--and this has happened before. Listen to the show for further context, but we're still going to try and talk about why things like these moments of drama happen, and why these cycles of commentary occur: what is general to the types of conversations we have now, and what is particular to post-evangelical spaces and the sorts of traumas that are activated. I've been talking about this in various ways on other shows recently, including these conversations with Your Favorite Aunts & Activist Theology. We also talk about Jamie's upcoming course, Your Body Is a Person. Registration closes on 8/31/2021, so act fast! One production note: the wrong mic recorded my audio, so it's of lower quality. Support my work via a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post. Follow me @brchastain on Twitter, @brchastain_ on Instagram & TikTok, and follow the podcasts @exvangelicalpod on Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Tucker in Hungary in Context (Sarah Posner Re-Release)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2021 59:10

    Earlier this month, Tucker Carlson broadcast from Hungary. This was not an accident, as many figures in the Christian Right and far-right have cozied up to European autocrats like Hungary's leader, Viktor Orban. There's always a lot of simultaneous crises happening (the climate crisis, Afghanistan, the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, and more), but I think it might be beneficial to loop back to this story and learn what we can from Sarah Posner, author of Unholy: How White Christian Nationalists Powered the Trump Presidency, and What They Left Behind. I spoke with Sarah Posner last year on Powers & Principalities. Follow Sarah on Twitter. Support my work via The Post-Evangelical Post. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Your Favorite Aunts, Kevin Garcia & Rev. Sarah Heath

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 12, 2021 69:58

    This week, I spoke with Kevin Garcia & Rev. Sarah Heath (aka YFA, or Your Favorite Aunts). This is part 2 of our conversation, and you can hear part 1 over on Your Favorite Aunts! This conversation has a chill vibe. It's the type of quiet conversation you have in the corner at a party. I don't know about you, but that's not something I've experienced in well over a year, so this conversation ended up meaning a lot. We talk about how the pandemic affects caretakers, how it affects community, what the future of spiritual care and community might be, and whether math involves gnomes. Listen to Your Favorite Aunts. Follow Kevin. Follow Sarah. To support my work, sign up for The Post-Evangelical Post. You can also buy merch! Follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. Follow the show on Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Kelsey McKinney, author of God Spare the Girls

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 30, 2021 68:37

    Kelsey McKinney, co-owner & features writer for Defector.com and author of the debut novel God Spare the Girls, joins the show! We talk about her novel, how getting to know people outside the evangelical bubble changes your perspective, her experiences in the media, and much more. God Spare the Girls tells the story of two daughters of a megachurch pastor whose rise to evangelical fame came from a viral speech about purity culture - and that's just how the story starts. When news of their father's marital infidelity breaks in their church, the two sisters are drawn together in ways they never were before. It's a great read. Buy God Spare the Girls here and support the show! (Affiliate link.) Follow Kelsey McKinney on Twitter. - We're back! July was very busy, and I'm super excited to get back to releasing episodes for you. A lot happened elsewhere: Exvangelical turned 5! I wrote a piece for Religion Dispatches about David Jeremiah's sermon saying exvangelicals are a sign of the end times! I was on MSNBC's The Week with Joshua Johnson! Other stuff I can't wait to tell you about, but can't yet! Support the show through a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post. Follow Blake on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. Follow the show on Instagram and Facebook. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Good Christian Fun with Caroline Ely & Kevin T. Porter

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 2, 2021 78:00

    The hosts of Good Christian Fun join the show to talk about Christian school (with goats!), satellite home school curricula (Covenant Eyes included!) and much more! Follow GCF on Instagram, and Kevin & Caroline on there too. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain. Support the show via Substack. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis, thank you Jake! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Josie Jimenez

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2021 55:28

    This week's guest is IMG's very own Josie Jimenez! Josie is the co-host of Irreverent Media Group's Making Spaces podcast as well as the podcast Speaking in Church. We talked on a Sunday afternoon and things got a little silly, talking about Josie's life, why expecting people to be the same is so damn boring, and all sorts of other stuff. Listen to Making Spaces with Josie Jimenez & Rev. Sarah Heath. Listen to Speaking in Church with Josie Jimenez & Spencer Rose Taylor. Follow Josie on Instagram & Twitter. Support Exvangelical, Powers & Principalities, and all of Blake's projects by subscribing to The Post-Evangelical Post. Follow Blake on Twitter & the show on Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Emily Joy Allison Discusses #SBC21 & #ChurchToo Direct Action

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 16, 2021 61:44

    Emily Joy Allison returns to Exvangelical to talk about #SBC21, the recent departures of Beth Moore & Russell Moore (no relation) from the denomination, and her own direct action through protest. We also discuss the conservative resurgence in other denominations, how the media (and post-evangelicals of all stripes online) discuss bad theology, and how to respond to these types of conservative initiatives. This was recorded on Tuesday, June 15th 2021 and was not edited because the events we're discussing are timely and in-flux. You can follow Emily on Twitter @emilyjoypoetry. Buy her book, Church Too: How Purity Culture Upholds Abuse and How to Find Healing. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain. Support this podcast directly through a paid subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post. This is an Irreverent Media Group podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Irreverent Media Spotlight: A Tiny Revolution w/ Kevin Garcia

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 4, 2021 42:49

    This week I'm publishing an episode of fellow Irreverent Media Group podcaster Kevin Garcia's show A Tiny Revolution. It's Pride Month and ATR is running a special series in conjunction with Beloved Arise. Listen to this episode featuring an interview with Blake Mundell to learn more about Beloved Arise. Subscribe to A Tiny Revolution anywhere you listen to podcasts, and follow Kevin on Instagram & Twitter. Kevin (they/them) describes ATR like this: "Because all revolutions begin as conversations between friends. Join digital pastor and soul coach Kevin Garcia for a conversation that actually matters. Covering the intersections of spirit, sexuality, gender, and justice, Kevin curates convos with the brightest and most incredible humans that you may or may not have heard of, with delicious takes on faith, sexuality, practice, and how we do this life together."  Learn more about the Irreverent Media Group line-up at irreverent.fm or by following @irreverent_fm on Instagram. Follow Blake on Twitter, and support the show directly at postevangelicalpost.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Re-Release: Mark Russell on Religion, Satire, and Superheroes

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2021 69:53

    This episode is a re-release of my first interview with Mark Russell, author of several books including Second Coming, God is Disappointed in You, Apocrypha Now!, The Flintstones, Snagglepuss, Wonder Twins, Billionaire Island, and more. Superhero movies are returning to theaters soon, and I'm resurfacing this conversation because I think of it a lot when I think of superhero narratives in general. Mark Russell is one of my favorite comic book writers, whose ability to provide satirical and insightful social commentary through popular characters like The Flintstones, or subvert superhero tropes in books like The Wonder Twins sets him apart from other writers on the scene. Of particular interest to listeners of this show, he also writes the comic book Second Coming - a story of Jesus coming back to Earth to room with a Superman-type character. The mere announcement of this book was so 'controversial' that it led to an online petition that quite literally canceled the book before it was published by DC Comics. I talked to Mark about that book in particular in this episode: Mark Russell, author of Second Coming. I wrote about it here. - If you appreciate this show, support it via a paid subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain and follow the podcast @exvangelicalpod on Twitter & Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    The Making of Biblical Womanhood with Beth Allison Barr

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2021 69:01

    This week's guest is Beth Allison Barr, author of the new book The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. I'm joined by two guest co-hosts, Emily Autenrieth and Laura Navarro. The theology and practice of complementarianism in conservative Christian circles has shaped the lives of millions of women. For over a century, it has oppressed women and become a requirement for involvement and belonging in conservative churches. Dr. Barr's expertise in church history illustrates that - despite the claims of complementarianism's proponents - this is a newer understanding of Christian history and scripture, and not an unchanging, millennia-long orthodox belief. This is a book that will spur conversation inside and outside the church. You can purchase the book here or from A Seat at the Table Books. Follow Dr. Barr on Twitter: @bethallisonbarr Order books from A Seat at the Table Books. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain, and follow the podcast on Twitter & Instagram @exvangelicalpod. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. Thank you, Jake! Exvangelical is part of Irreverent Media Group. Learn more at irreverent.fm. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Rev. Lenny Duncan

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 16, 2021 62:26

    This week's guest is Rev. Lenny Duncan. Lenny is a pastor and the author of two books: Dear Church: A Love Letter from a Black Preacher to the Whitest Denomination in the US, and the forthcoming United States of Grace: A Memoir of Homelessness, Addiction, Incarceration, and Hope. In this conversation we talk about Rev. Duncan's life, his books, Christianity in America, and America overall. Please note there were some technical difficulties with this recording. Follow Lenny on Twitter and visit unitedstatesofgrace.com. Follow Blake on Twitter, subscribe to his newsletter, and visit his website. Exvangelical is part of the Irreverent Media Group. Visit irreverent.fm to see all the other shows. Buy Exvangelical merch here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Introducing the Irreverent Media Group!

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2021 4:17

    Exvangelical is now a part of the Irreverent Media Group! Visit irreverent.fm to learn more about this new collective. Follow Irreverent on social: twitter.com/irreverent_fm instagram.com/irreverent_fm facebook.com/irreverentfm Are you a creator that wants to join IMG, or an advertiser looking for sponsorship opportunities? Email us at irreverentfm@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    White Evangelical Racism with Dr. Anthea Butler

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 2, 2021 51:55

    Dr. Anthea Butler returns to the show (she was a guest on season one of Powers & Principalities) to discuss her new book, White Evangelical Racism. Her book is of utmost importance to helping us understand both our past and our current moment. We discuss the history of white evangelical racism, and how it played a part in the Jan 6th insurrection and the murders in Atlanta in March 2021. I also wrote about the book in my new series, The Good Books, published via my newsletter The Post-Evangelical Post. Help support the show directly via a paid subscription to the newsletter. (Free tiers are also available.) Stay tuned for more news about the show next week! This interview was recorded on 3/19/2021. Follow Dr. Butler on Twitter @AntheaButler. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain, and follow the show on Instagram @exvangelicalpod. This episode was produced and edited by Jake Lewis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Emily Joy Allison Wrote the Book on #ChurchToo

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2021 47:11

    Emily Joy Allison returns to the show to discuss her new book, #ChurchToo: How Purity Culture Upholds Abuse and How to Find Healing. Emily launched the #ChurchToo hashtag in November 2017 and it has taken on a life of its own, calling churches to account. You can follow Emily on Twitter and Instagram. I'm also joined by guest co-host Amy Congdon, a clinical mental health counselor in the Kansas City, MO metro area whos work focuses on providing care to clients who have experienced religious trauma and seek to find healing from these wounds. This includes concerns around sex and sexuality, gender, reproductive rights, and racial injustice. I wrote about #ChurchTooBook in a new series for my newsletter called The Good Books. Subscribe to my newsletter, The Post-Evangelical Post, here. There are free and paid options; Substack is currently the main source of support for this show. I also wrote about the role of purity culture in the shootings in Atlanta here, and included some comments made by Emily. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain. Follow the show on Instagram @exvangelicalpod. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. Thank you, Jake!

    Andrew Phelan & John Potter of Magnified Pod

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 5, 2021 70:20

    In this episode, I chat with Andrew Phelan and John Potter from Magnified Pod. Their show focuses on Tooth & Nail era Christian alt music - season 1 focused on the MXPX discography, and season 2 focused on Five Iron Frenzy. In this conversation, we learn about Andrew & John's stories, the power of music and memory even after our beliefs change, and what it was like becoming friends with Five Iron band members. Check out their podcast here, follow them on Twitter @magnifiedpod, and support them on Patreon! Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain, follow the show on Instagram @exvangelicalpod, and support him via Substack at postevangelicalpost.substack.com

    Laura Polk Returns (to discuss the Religious Right)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2021 73:06

    Laura Polk returns to the show to discuss the Jan 6th insurrection and the Religious Right. In particular, we discuss three pivotal events in 1980, and how they set the stage for much of what's followed. This interview was recorded on 2/7/2021. Laura Polk is an independent educator and researcher. You can support her via Patreon here. (I do!) Follow Laura on Twitter @seelolago. You can support Blake's work on Exvangelical and Powers & Principalities via Substack at The Post-Evangelical Post. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain and the show on Instagram at @exvangelicalpod. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. Thank you, Jake! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    IRL with Chris Stedman

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 4, 2021 70:51

    Chris Stedman is a Minneapolis-based writer, speaker, and community organizer. In this conversation, we discuss his book IRL: Finding Realness, Meaning, and Belonging in Our Digital Lives, how people form and express their identities online, spirituality "fads," and much more! (This conversation was recorded on January 4th, 2021, two days before the insurrection and the rest of the country went topsy turvy.) Follow Chris on Twitter! Support this podcast (and sister podcast Powers & Principalities) through a paid subscription to Blake's newsletter, The Post-Evangelical Post. Follow Blake on Twitter and Instagram. Get Exvangelical podcast merch, featuring the new logo, here. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    The Outcome of White Evangelical Power: Sedition & Insurrection.

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 8, 2021 12:56

    It's 2021. Ossoff & Warnock won the Senate, and the next day Trump supporters stormed the Capitol Building after being incited by the President himself and encouraged by Senators Cruz and Hawley. 5 people died. White evangelicalism bears much of the burden for this by creating an environment--over decades!--that encouraged this. This episode is only partly scripted. It's unedited. "Regular" programming will return soon. Follow me on Twitter @brchastain. Help support my work: postevangelicalpost.substack.com or patreon.com/exvangelicalpod. Show Notes/Recent writing: https://postevangelicalpost.substack.com/p/the-culmination-of-white-evangelicalchristian https://postevangelicalpost.substack.com/p/how-should-we-then-live-with-evangelical Twitter thread, before the white supremacist storming of the Capitol: https://twitter.com/brchastain/status/1346452589752307712?s=20 Mel's short thread I quoted: https://twitter.com/holyqueerit/status/1347191675706372097?s=20 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    The Dirty Rotten Church Kids

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 14, 2020 74:48

    My guests for this episode are The Dirty Rotten Church Kids, aka Josh Link & Adrian Gibbs. The DRCK has taken exvangelical Instagram by storm over the past year, and their podcast has created its own community that is in their words, equal parts HEAVY and LIGHT. In this conversation we discuss their backgrounds as church kids, church planters, their deconstruction, and parenting. It's a great conversation and I hope you enjoy it. Follow DRCK on Instagram, subscribe to their podcast, and check out their merch. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. Thank you, Jake! -- HAVE YOU NOTICED THE NEW PODCAST ARTWORK? It's by the incredible artist Jenna Luecke. Please read my Instagram post about the process and check out her amazing work. You can also find merch with two versions of the new logo on the new Exvangelical Podcast Merch store! Support the show via a paid subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post newsletter, or by rating the show in Apple Podcasts. Follow Blake on Twitter, and find links to all his projects at blakechastain.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

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    Powers & Principalities Episode 12: What We've Learned in the Past 4 Years with Reza Aslan

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2020 64:29

    In the season 1 finale of Powers & Principalities, I speak with Reza Aslan about what we've learned about the United States in the past four years. In particular, we discuss what it means that 70 million Americans voted for Trump to be re-elected, the cult-like characteristics of Trumpism, the 'geography of identity' of Trumpism, the role of the media, and much more. Reza Aslan is author of several books, including God: A Human History, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, and Beyond Fundamentalism. He is also Professor of Creative Writing at the University of California, Riverside and executive producer of Rough Draft with Reza Aslan and the CNN documentary series, Believer. Stay tuned after the interview for more info on season 2 of Powers & Principalities. Follow Reza on Twitter @rezaaslan and learn more about his work at rezaaslan.com. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain and Instagram @brchastain_. Support Blake's work via a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post newsletter - use this link to save 40% for 1 year thru 12/2! Other methods of support can be found at exvangelicalpodcast.com/support. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Powers & Principalities Episode 11: Coup Attempts & Police Nationalism with Jeff Sharlet

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2020 56:55

    In this episode, I speak with Jeff Sharlet, author of The Family (which was turned into a Netflix documentary series of the same name). We discuss the actions of President Trump and the GOP to undermine the results of the election, the role of QAnon, "police nationalism," and much more. Read Jeff Sharlet's missives from the Trump campaign rallies in Vanity Fair and follow him on Twitter. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain, and follow him on Instagram @brchastain_. Support the show with a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post. Free and paid tiers are available. Other methods of support can be found here. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Powers & Principalities Episode 10: Post-Election Debrief with Bradley Onishi

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2020 55:16

    Prof. Bradley Onishi from Straight White American Jesus returns to the show to discuss Election Week. We discuss the historical significance of the election of Vice President Kamala Harris, the decisive victory of Joe Biden & the GOP's refusal to concede, and what comes next. Follow Brad on Twitter @BradleyOnishi and listen to Straight White American Jesus if you aren't already! Follow Blake @brchastain on Twitter & @brchastain_ on Instagram. Support the show via a subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post, or other methods found at exvangelicalpodcast.com/support. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. Thank you, Jake! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    6 Days Later (2020)

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 9, 2020 7:04

    Some initial thoughts on the 2020 Election. Acknowledging what was accomplished, and the work that still needs to be done. Follow Blake on Twitter and subscribe to The Post-Evangelical Post, where you will find a corresponding transcript, along with some additional links. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Powers & Principalities: One Day Until the Next Stage

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 2, 2020 5:21

    We're one day out until the November 3rd election. In this brief episode, Blake reviews this season's guests and the threats that remain regardless of the outcome of election day. If you haven't voted early, please make your plan to vote and make your voice heard. Use the Vote Save America to make your plan to vote. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Powers & Principalities Episode 9: The Religious Left with Jack Jenkins

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2020 63:46

    My guest this week is Jack Jenkins, national reporter for Religion News Service and author of the book American Prophets: The Religious Roots of Progressive Politics and the Ongoing Fight for the Soul of the Country (Amazon, Bookshop). We discuss how one defines "the religious left," how the religious left differs from the religious right, the historical predecessors of the current religious left, and how the media has adapted to covering religion since the 2016 election. Follow Jack Jenkins on Twitter @JackMJenkins. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain and on Instagram at @brchastain_. Support Exvangelical and Powers & Principalities with a paid subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post on Substack - you can also subscribe for free! All content is free through the election. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. --- This episode is sponsored by · Charity Promotion: Democracy Works: This advertisement is part of a charitable initiative in partnership with Democracy Works. howto.vote --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Talking Burnout with Anne Helen Petersen

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2020 49:41

    In this episode, I chat with Anne Helen Petersen about her book Can't Even: How Millennials Became the Burnout Generation (Amazon, Bookshop). We discuss her spiritual & religious background, her viral essay on BuzzFeed that led to this book, how the way we use social media contributes to burnout, how our economic systems fail us, and more. You can follow Anne on Twitter @annehelen and subscribe to her newsletter, Culture Study. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain, Instagram @brchastain_, and subscribe to his newsletter The Post-Evangelical Post. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. Thank you, Jake! --- This episode is sponsored by · Charity Promotion: Democracy Works: This advertisement is part of a charitable initiative in partnership with Democracy Works. howto.vote --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Powers & Principalities Episode 8: White Evangelical Racism with Anthea Butler

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2020 54:39

    My guest this week is Dr. Anthea Butler, associate professor of religion and Africana Studies at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the upcoming book White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America. In addition to her upcoming book (to be released in March 2021), we discuss her experience as a public scholar, how the media covers religion & Trump, and many of the trends and headlines of the past four years. Follow Dr. Butler on Twitter @AntheaButler. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain and Instagram @brchastain_. Support Blake's work via Substack or Patreon. --- This episode is sponsored by · Charity Promotion: Democracy Works: This advertisement is part of a charitable initiative in partnership with Democracy Works. howto.vote --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Luke Barnett of Faith Based

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2020 52:19

    My guest this week is Luke Barnett, writer and star of the new film Faith Based, which is available now on demand. Faith Based is a comedy about two friends who want to strike it rich by making a Christian film, and its cast includes Jason Alexander, Margaret Cho, David Koechner, and Lance Reddick (listed alphabetically by last name). We talk about Luke's own life story, the lucrative Christian film and music industries, and what it was like to create this feature film. It's a great conversation, and I hope you enjoy it. Faith Based is available to rent/buy on Amazon Prime, Vudu, and Fandango. Follow Luke on Twitter @LukeBarnett. Support this podcast and Blake's other work by a single subscription to The Post-Evangelical Post. You can also subscribe for free! If you prefer to use Patreon to support creators, you can do so here. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain. This episode was produced by Jake Lewis. --- This episode is sponsored by · Charity Promotion: Democracy Works: This advertisement is part of a charitable initiative in partnership with Democracy Works. howto.vote --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

    Powers & Principalities Episode 7: Answering Audience Questions with Bradley Onishi

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 12, 2020 68:10

    On this week's episode, I am joined by Bradley Onishi of the Straight White American Jesus podcast to answer your questions about white evangelicalism and Christian nationalism. You all had some really wonderful questions, and it was equally wonderful to have an opportunity to answer them alongside Brad. Bradley Onishi is associate professor of religion at Skidmore College. If you enjoy this show, please be sure to check out SWAJ by following the link above. Support them on Patreon and follow Brad on Twitter. You can support this show by subscribing to The Post-Evangelical Post on Substack. Get 25% off with this link or subscribe to the free tier. Follow Blake on Twitter @brchastain or Instagram @brchastain_. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/exvangelical/support

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