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The TeachThought Podcast delivers an insightful exploration of how teaching and learning are changing in a connected world, from the rise of project-based learning, inquiry-based learning, and personalized learning experiences, to modern knowledge demands, emerging technologies, and the tools and sh…

Terry Heick and Drew Perkins


    • May 21, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
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    Powerful Knowledge And A Capabilities Curriculum

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2025 65:06


    Drew Perkins talks with teacher and author, Richard Bustin, about his book What Are We Teaching? Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Science Of Learning, PBL, And Inquiry: A Salon Conversation

    Play Episode Listen Later May 9, 2025 54:24


    Drew Perkins is joined by Andrew Watson, Dr. Cindy Nebel, and Fox Demoisey to discuss the intersections between the Science of Learning, project-based learning, and inquiry. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Anti-DEI And Enlightenment Liberal Principles

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 16, 2025 73:14


    Drew Perkins talks with Tim Minella, Senior Constitutionalism Fellow at The Goldwater Institute, about their work to eliminate DEI in higher education. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    DEI: Expansive or Restrictive? A Salon Conversation

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2025 57:47


    Drew Perkins is joined by educators and DEI practitioners Carlos Hoyt, Daryl Sinclair, and Nunana Nyomi for a salon-style conversation about the complexities and nuances of DEI. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode  

    Powerful Questioning, Powerful Pedagogy

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 2, 2025 61:00


    Drew Perkins talks with Bruce Robertson about his new book, Power Up Your Questioning: A Practical Handbook for Teachers. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode    

    Breaking The Generational Cycle Of Poverty

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2025 68:34


    Drew Perkins talks with Dr. Abraham George about his work to help children transcend India's caste system through education and his Shanti Bhavan School. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Differentiated Instruction With Modern Classrooms Project

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2025 57:10


    Drew Perkins talks with Robert Barnett, Modern Classrooms Project cofounder, about his new book, Meet Every Learner's Needs: Redesigning Instruction So All Students Can Succeed. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    The Knowledge Revival, Curriculum For Deep Thinking

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2025 66:47


    Drew Perkins hosted this conversation with Paul Kirschner, Claudio Vanhees, and Daniel Muijs, three of the ten co-authors of the open-access book, Developing Curriculum for Deep Thinking: The Knowledge Revival. This was a ThoughtStretchers Community event that included registered participant questions. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Beyond Phonics, The Challenge Of Teaching Dyslexic Students

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 5, 2025 72:06


    Drew Perkins talks with, parent, Jackie Castillo-Blaber, and parent/teacher Melinda Karshner about the challenges of teaching reading to dyslexic students. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Centering Educational Progress

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 26, 2025 55:52


    Drew Perkins talks with Jack Despain Zhou about his project to establish a new think tank called Center for Educational Progress. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    How Should We Be Teaching History?

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2025 93:37


    Drew Perkins talks with Jonathon Dallimore about his book, Teaching History: A Practical Guide for Secondary School Teachers. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    The Essential Howard Gardner

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2025 65:23


    Drew Perkins talks with Howard Gardner about his two new books, The Essential Howard Gardner On Education and On Mind, both reflections on his academic career and work. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Cognitive Load Theory: A Reflective Conversation

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 5, 2025 87:28


    Drew Perkins hosts this salon-style conversation with Dylan Wiliam, Oliver Caviglioli, Carl Hendrick, and Christian Bokhove about Cognitive Load Theory. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    School Choice Debate And Dialogue

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2025 68:20


    This episode is the recording of a live discussion about school choice and vouchers, hosted by Drew Perkins, with Josh Cowen and Neal McCluskey as part of our ThoughtStretchers Community. It includes RSVP'd guests and their questions.  Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Developing Curriculum for Deep Thinking: The Knowledge Revival

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2025 19:41


    This episode is another experimentation in AI-generated podcast 'conversations', this time about the recent open-access publication Developing Curriculum for Deep Thinking: The Knowledge Revival.   Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Katharine Birbalsingh On Multiculturalism And Quality Education

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 10, 2025 58:53


    Drew Perkins talks with Katharine Birbalsingh, Headmistress of London's Michaela School about her approach to multiculturalism and the role of knowledge and inquiry in quality education. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Knowledge Doesn't Equal Understanding

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 1, 2025 74:29


    Drew Perkins talks with Christian Moore-Anderson about his Knowledge Doesn't Equal Understanding blog piece. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    4 Ways School Leaders Can Navigate Polarizing Culture-War Issues

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2024 40:52


    This episode is AI-generated and includes an AI-generated reading of a recent blog piece followed by an AI-generated conversation. It uses our published blog piece, 4 Ways School Leaders Can Navigate Polarizing Culture-War Issues, written by Drew Perkins as the source material. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Finding Enlightenment

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 6, 2024 67:03


    Drew Perkins talks with Susan Kaiser Greenland about her latest book, Real-world Enlightenment: Discovering Ordinary Magic in Everyday Life. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    How To Make Inquiry Based Learning Knowledge-Rich

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 2, 2024 21:26


    This episode is an AI-generated podcast conversation using NotebookLM. It uses our published blog piece written by Drew Perkins as the source material.  Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Bridging The Gap Between Ed Research And Practice

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2024 70:57


    Drew Perkins talks with Nate Hansford about his book The Scientific Principles of Teaching. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode    

    How To Transform A Struggling School

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2024 68:12


    Drew Perkins talks with NASSP 2025 Principal of the Year, Tracie Swilley, about her work to turn around a struggling school.  Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Culturally Responsive Teaching That Is Cognitively Responsive

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2024 64:42


    Drew Perkins talks with Zaretta Hammond about her work and her focus on making culturally responsive teaching more cognitively responsive. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    How To Attract And Retain High-Quality Teachers

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2024 41:10


    Drew Perkins talks with Heather Peske, President of the National Council on Teacher Quality, about their recently published executive summary, Reimagining
the Teaching Role: How Strategic Staffing Can Attract and Retain Effective Teachers. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    The Case Against School Choice Vouchers

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 30, 2024 63:38


    Drew Perkins talks with Josh Cowen about his book, The Privateers: How Billionaires Created a Culture War and Sold School Vouchers Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Grappling With Student Mental Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2024 44:02


    Drew Perkins talks with Karen Foley, President of JPA Chicago, about their work to address student mental health in the Chicago area. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Cognitive Load Theory Reframed

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2024 62:29


    Drew Perkins talks with Oliver Cavigioli about his reframing of Cognitive Load Theory. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    A Libertarian Look At School Choice

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2024 96:39


    Drew Perkins talks with Neal McCluskey, Director of the Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom, about his school choice advocacy. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Expansive DEI And Fostering Intercultural Respect

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 4, 2024 60:55


    Drew Perkins talks with Nayeli Vivanco, Vice President at International House at UC Berkeley, about their approach to promoting respectful discourse and unity.  Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Elevating The Voice Of Principals

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2024 36:52


    Drew Perkins talks with NASSP Board President, Raquel Martinez, about her work as a principal and newly appointed organizational role. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Does 'Equity' Undermine Science Education?

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2024 80:37


    Drew Perkins talks with Cornell professor, Randy Wayne, about the Franklin Standards, an alternative meant to address shortcomings in the NGSS. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Blocked But Still Discussing: Direct Instruction Or Inquiry With Anna Stokke

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 22, 2024 88:42


    Drew Perkins talks with Anna Stokke about their prickly social media exchange and their thinking on direct instruction vs. inquiry teaching and learning. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Helping Inquiring Minds Learn

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2024 71:08


    Drew Perkins talks with Author, Erik Francis, about his new book, Inquiring Minds Want to Learn: Posing Good Questions to Promote Student Inquiry Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Impactful Instructional Coaching With Jim Knight

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2024 41:18


    Drew Perkins talks with Jim Knight, Founding Partner at the Instructional Coaching Group, about his work and approach to instructional coaching. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode.

    Do The Science Of Learning And Inquiry Converge?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 2, 2024 83:54


    Drew Perkins talks with author and education professor, Carl Hendrick, about updates to his latest co-authored book and the nuances of the science of learning and inquiry. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode    

    Talking Inquiry With Kath Murdoch

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2024 70:31


    This episode is the archived audio of a May 25, 2024, ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion event titled “A Journey Through the Landscape of Inquiry with Kath Murdoch” Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    How Should We Think About Antiracism In Education?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 19, 2024 82:46


    This episode is the archived audio of a May 23, 2024, ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion event titled "Antiracism in Education: How should we think about race, racism, and antiracism in education?" Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode    

    A Veteran Teacher Who Rejects Black And White Thinking

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 12, 2024 71:48


    Drew Perkins talks with veteran teacher, Melinda Karshner, about her teaching and how she navigates the landscape of false binaries being pushed about the science of reading, science of learning, and culture war issues. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    A Conservative Vision For Improving Education

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 5, 2024 56:12


    Drew Perkins talks with Rick Hess, Director of Education and the American Enterprise Institute, about his new co-authored book, Getting Education Right: A Conservative Vision for Improving Early Childhood, K–12, and College. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode      

    When A GOP Insider Realizes Moms For Liberty Claims Are False

    Play Episode Listen Later May 29, 2024 77:22


    Drew Perkins talks with Granbury, Texas school board member, Courtney Gore, and journalist, Jeremy Schwartz, about her experience with GOP efforts in her town to push their agenda at all costs. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    School Desegregation In 1868? The Story Of Susie Clark

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2024 59:06


    Drew Perkins talks with Joshalyn Hickey-Johnson, author of the children's book, Susie Clark: The Bravest Girl You've Ever Seen, a story about desegregating Iowa schools in 1868. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Using Thinking Maps To Empower Project-Based Learning

    Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2024 69:49


    Drew Perkins talks with David Hyerle, Founder of Thinking Foundation and CEO/Owner of Thinking Schools International, about the use of Thinking Maps to help learners in and outside of PBL. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode  

    Hard Questions About School Choice

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2024 81:44


    Drew Perkins talks with Shaka Mitchell, a Senior Fellow with the American Federation for Children, about school choice issues and challenges, including recent legislation passed in Kentucky. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    2024 Federal Education Budget Advocacy

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2024 52:35


    Drew Perkins talks with NASSP CEO Ronn Nozoe about their advocacy efforts regarding the 2024 federal education budget. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Community-Led Education, Overcoming The Culture Wars

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 29, 2024 73:05


    This episode is the audio archive from a ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion event from April 18, 2024, titled Catalyzing Community-Led Change: Overcoming the divisive and narrow politics of our time. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    A School Focused On Intellectual Virtues?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2024 63:45


    Drew Perkins talks with Jacquie Bryant, Founding Principal of a public middle school called Intellectual Virtues Academy. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Sorting The Evidence For Direct Instruction And Inquiry

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2024 66:24


    Drew Perkins talks with Dylan Wiliam about the evidence and support for different instructional approaches including direct instruction and inquiry-based learning. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode    

    Is Higher Education A Bait And Switch?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2024 61:24


    Drew Perkins talks with Bill Coplin about his new book, The Path to Equity: Inclusion in the Kingdom of Liberal Arts, which calls for a shift in liberal arts education to a more practical and less academic approach. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Reading Instruction, Evidence And Neuroscience

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2024 75:11


    This episode features the archived audio from a March 27, 2024, ThoughtStretchers Education Community Event titled Reading Instruction: Evidence & Neuroscience. Drew Perkins talked with Dr. Karen Gazith, Christie Biggerstaff, and Sonya Thomas. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    The Side Effects Of School

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2024 94:30


     Drew Perkins hosted this ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion on February 25th, 2024 with clinical psychologist, Naomi Fisher and the Executive Director of the Adolescent Flourishing Initiative at The University of Austin, Michael Strong. We discussed this question: "Does traditional schooling lead to poor mental health for students?" Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

    Inside The Teachers' Lounge Film

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2024 48:37


    Drew Perkins talks with Ilker Çatak about his Oscar-nominated film, The Teachers' Lounge, about schools as a microcosm of society and of ourselves. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

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