UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre Podcast

Luke de Noronha welcomes Musab Younis, senior lecturer in politics and international relations at Queen Mary, University of London, and author of On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (University of California Press, 2022). Musab traces the themes and arguments of his important new book, which examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. Musab gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. This conversation was recorded on 13th January 2023. Speakers: Dr Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies Producer: Dr Luke de Noronha Editors: Kaissa Karhu Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Gala Rexer welcomes Maya Mikdashi, Associate Professor in the Department of Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies and Lecturer in the Middle East Studies Program at Rutgers University, to talk about her book Sextarianism: Sovereignty, Secularism and the State in Lebanon (Stanford, 2022). Maya reflects on the multi-disciplinary genealogy of her book, and describes what it means to take different fields (anthropology, gender studies, and Middle East studies) seriously. This conversation also engages with the relationship between geopolitics, epistemology, and methodology, and with the making and unmaking of categories when we ask the same question from different locations. Maya also talks about doing ethnography and archival work, and our own investment in meaning and the desire to fix truth as scholars. This conversation was recorded on 27th January 2023. Speakers: Dr Gala Rexer, postdoctoral fellow at the Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Maya Mikdashi, Associate Professor in the Department of Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at Rutgers University. Producer: Lucy Stagg and Dr Gala Rexer Editors: Kaissa Karhu Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Luke de Noronha welcomes Maurice Stierl, researcher at Osnabrück University in Germany and author of Migrant Resistance in Contemporary Europe (Routledge, 2019). Maurice describes the varied patterns of movement and militarisation at the sea borders of Europe: the Atlantic, Central Mediterranean, Aegean and Channel crossings. In both his intellectual and activist work, Maurice joins those demanding free movement for all and an end to Europe's border violence. This conversation charts those urgent political struggles by and for people on the move.This conversation was recorded on 15th December 2022. Speakers: Dr Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, SPRC // Maurice Stierl, researcher at Osnabrück University in GermanyProducers: Dr Luke de Noronha and Lucy StaggEditor: Kaissa Karhu Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Gala Rexer welcomes Françoise Vergès, franco-Reunionnese activist, independent curator, and public educator, to talk about her most recent books, A Feminist Theory of Violence (2022), The Wombs of Women. Race, Capital, Feminism (2020,) and A Decolonial Feminism (2019). Françoise discusses how women's rights have been deployed in the service of the carceral state, and how a decolonial feminism needs to reimagine a collective politics of protection against violence, pollution, and exhaustion outside of the nation-state form and capital. Françoise calls upon us to strike, unionize, and fight back, to rethink the family, reproduction, and care outside of racialized frameworks of security and deservingness, and to nourish comrade- and friendship, revolutionary love, and inter-generational transmission of feminist thought. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Karimah Ashadu joins the SPRC podcast to discuss two of her recent films, Brown Goods (2020) and Plateau (2022), on the labour and labourers that sustain informal economies of waste disposal and tin mining in Germany and Nigeria. Plateau (excerpt), 2021-2022HD digital film, colour with sound - two channelwww.youtube.com/watch?v=d8oOp-dX6hkcourtesy the artist and Fondazione in between Art Film Brown Goods (excerpt), 2020HD digital film, colour with sound - single channelwww.youtube.com/watch?v=4RJxFRBjqwscourtesy the artist Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-karimah-ashadu This conversation was recorded on 2nd September 2022Speakers: Lara Choksey is Lecturer in Colonial and Postcolonial Literatures at UCL English, and Faculty Associate at the UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Karimah Ashadu is a British-born Nigerian artist and recipient of the 2020 ars viva Prize for Visual ArtsProducer and editor: Kaissa Karhuwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coretta Phillips, Professor of Criminology and Social Policy, joins Clive Nwonka for a conversation on race, criminal justice and social policy. Coretta discusses ethnographically capturing both the organic experiences of multi-culture and the more structured and governed forms of multiculturalism taking place within the prison system, her recent work on criminal justice experiences of Gypsy and Traveller communities in England since 1960, and the complacency and the complicity in racist practices in higher education. Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-coretta-phillips This conversation was recorded on 20th May 2022Speakers: Clive Nwonka, Lecturer in Film, Culture and Society at UCL's Institute of Advanced Studies // Coretta Phillips, Professor of Criminology and Social Policy at the London School of Economics and Political ScienceProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditors: Amie Liebowitz and Kaissa Karhu www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Medical anthropologist, James Doucet-Battle, joins us to talk about his book, Sweetness in the Blood: Race, Risk and Type 2 Diabetes. Discussing the importance of delinking race from risk in order to tell a more holistic, anthropological story of what it means to be Black, James brings autobiographical elements into his work and explores the relationship between race, gender and ancestry, the mapping of Henrietta Lacks' HeLa cells and his own journey into Black feminist thought. Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-james-doucet-battle This conversation was recorded on 9th June 2022Speakers: Paige Patchin, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // James Doucet-Battle, Assistant Professor in the Department of Sociology at the University of California, Santa Cruz // Alya Harding, Elinor Gibbs and Liz Kombate, MA students in Race, Ethnicity and Postcolonial Studies at UCLProducer and Editor: Kaissa Karhuwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Luke de Noronha welcomes Kojo Koram, Lecturer in Law at Birkbeck School of Law and author of Uncommon Wealth: Britain and the Aftermath of Empire (John Murray Press, 2022). Discussing his recent book, Kojo addresses questions around 20th century decolonisation, neoliberalism and national sovereignty, tying these threads to today's spiralling global wealth inequality, accelerating climate crisis, migration and bordering, and the precarity expanding across so many different sectors in our society. Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-kojo-koram This conversation was recorded on 15th April 2022Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Kojo Koram, Lecturer in Law at Birkbeck School of Law, University of LondonExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditors: Anita Langary and Kaissa Karhu www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Co-author of Social Media and Hate, Shakuntala Banaji joins Clive Nwonka to delve into the theoretical and practical intersections of misinformation and online hate speech in contemporary societies. Shakuntala discusses online and offline activism, the intellectual source that inspired her work, and the broader question of media and communication study and its relevance for the analysis of race and racism. Trigger warning: reference to threat of sexual assault and violent imagery (12:45 – 13:05) Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-shakuntala-banaji This conversation was recorded on 15th March 2022Speakers: Clive Nwonka, Lecturer in Film, Culture and Society at UCL's Institute of Advanced Studies // Shakuntala Banaji, Professor of Media, Culture and Social Change at LSEExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditor: Amie Liebowitz and Kaissa Karhuwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Clive Nwonka is joined by Farah Jasmine Griffin, author of Read Until You Understand, a deeply personal and wide-ranging mediation on Black culture, political freedom and humanity. Farah discusses writing with an ethic of care, honouring grace, mercy and beauty, and the relationship between rage and resistance. Farah also reflects on what she sees as the three sites of engagement for African-American and African diasporic studies: in the classroom, in the world, and in the planet.Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-farah-jasmine-griffinThis conversation was recorded on 18th February 2022Speakers: Clive Nwonka, Lecturer in Film, Culture and Society at UCL's Institute of Advanced Studies // Farah Jasmine Griffin, William B. Ransford Professor of English and Comparative Literature and African American Studies at Columbia UniversityImage: Photo © Peggy Dillard TooneExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditor: Kaissa Karhu and Anita Langarywww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Luke de Noronha welcomes Lisa Lowe, Professor of American Studies and Ethnicity, Race and Migration, to talk about her book, The Intimacies of Four Continents, where she examines links between transatlantic slavery, Asian indenture, imperial trades and colonialism. Concerning liberalism, Lisa discusses how ideas of reason, civilisation and freedom are continually dividing the human according to a coloniality of power or a colonial division of humanities, affirming liberty for European man but subordinating the colonised and disposed. Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-lisa-loweThis conversation was recorded on 19th July 2021Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Lisa Lowe, Samuel Knight Professor of American Studies and Professor of Ethnicity, Race, and Migration, Director of American Studies Graduate Studies at Yale UniversityExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditor: Kaissa Karhu and Anita Langarywww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Laleh Khalili,, Professor of International Politics and author of Sinews of War & Trade, joins us for a conversation on land reclamation, dredging and the role of maritime infrastructures as conduits of the movement of technologies, capital, people and cargo. Addressing the significant bodies of water around which a politics has taken shape, Laleh discusses the tension of the sea as a romanticised incredible and abstract space, yet also a space of death, exploitation, slavery and colonialism, highlighting the geoeconomical inequalities in the world. Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-laleh-khalili This conversation was recorded on 30th June 2021Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Laleh Khalili, Professor of International Politics at Queen Mary University of LondonExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditor: Amie Liebowitzwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Alexis Pauline Gumbs, writer, independent scholar and poet, joins us to reflect on engaging with the works of Black feminist scholars, ancestral listening and her connectedness to seals. Author of Undrowned: Black Feminist Lessons from Marine Mammals, Alexis discusses how colonialism, enslavement and the plantation economy resulted in the extinction of the Caribbean monk seal. Alexis also talks about her forthcoming biography of Audre Lorde and deep diving into Lorde's life and love of geology. Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-alexis-pauline-gumbs This conversation was recorded on 29th July 2021Speakers: Ashish Ghadiali, Activist-in-Residence, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Alexis Pauline Gumbs, writer, independent scholar, poet and activistExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditor: Kaissa Karhu and Amie Liebowitzwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Luke de Noronha welcomes Nandita Sharma, activist scholar and Professor of Sociology at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, to discuss borders, migration and citizenship in relation to the pandemic and climate catastrophes. Nandita addresses the demand for a planetary commons, and the need to live in a worldly space in which the fundamental political foundation is freedom from exclusion, freedom from dispossession and freedom from displacement.Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-nandita-sharma This conversation was recorded on 21st June 2021Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Nandita Sharma, Professor of Sociology, University of Hawaiʻi at MānoaExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa Karhuwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

We're joined by Dipesh Chakrabarty, Professor of History and author of The Climate of History in a Planetary Age, for a conversation on his intellectual trajectory and the idea of the planetary. Speaking on the climate crisis and the human condition, Dipesh states that “unless we realise our geological agency and the geomorphological role we play that is changing the landscape of the planet, we won't realise the depth of the predicament that we're in.” Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-dipesh-chakrabarty This conversation was recorded on 13th June 2021Speakers: Ashish Ghadiali, Activist-in-Residence, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Dipesh Chakrabarty, Lawrence A. Kimpton Distinguished Service Professor of History, South Asian Languages and Civilizations at the University of ChicagoExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditors: Amie Liebowitzwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Luke de Noronha is joined by Gracie Mae Bradley, policy expert, writer and campaigner, and Interim Director of Liberty. Involved in the wider grassroots movement for social justice in the UK and having written extensively on state racism and civil liberties, Gracie joins us to speak about the state response and policing throughout the pandemic, race disproportionality, and the trend towards pre-criminalisation.Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-gracie-mae-bradley This conversation was recorded on 24th June 2021Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Gracie Mae Bradley, policy expert, writer and campaigner, and Interim Director of LibertyExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa Karhuwww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Shabaka Hutchings, jazz musician and band leader, joins us to talk about his new album with Sons of Kemet, Black to the Future, delving into transcending from the individual to the collective state, and the healing and spiritual force of music. Discussing his musical influences and progression, Shabaka reflects on how “…being in a metropole makes you think that you understand what culturally is vital in the world, where actually we aren't in the centre of the world, musically or socially, and there are cultures that are formulating real vital relations between music and living.” Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-shabaka-hutchings This conversation was recorded on 17th June 2021Speakers: Ashish Ghadiali, Activist-in-Residence, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Shabaka Hutchings, jazz saxophonist, clarinettist and band leader of ‘Sons of Kemet', ‘The Comet Is Coming' and ‘Shabaka and the Ancestors'Image: © Pierrick GuidouExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditors: Kaissa Karhu and Anita Langarywww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Adam Elliott-Cooper joins Luke de Noronha to talk about resistance to racist state violence in Britain, and how this resistance is shaped by histories of imperialism and anti-imperialism. Discussing his book, Black Resistance to British Policing (MUP, 2021), Adam situates current mobilisations in a longer history of anti-racist resistance in the UK, and explores the politics of abolitionism and anti-colonial struggles in the context of Black Britain and Black politics in the 21st century. Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-adam-elliott-cooperThis conversation was recorded on 26th May 2021 Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Adam Elliott-Cooper, Research Fellow in Sociology at the University of GreenwichExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditor: Anita Langarywww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Luke de Noronha welcomes Robbie Shilliam, Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University, to discuss his recent book Decolonizing Politics: An Introduction (Polity Press, 2021). Across his writing, Robbie's made several critical interventions on questions surrounding race, colonialism and global order, and in Decolonizing Politics he methodologically looks at what it might mean to decolonize political science by reconceptualizing and reimagining the logics of the field.Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-robbie-shilliamThis conversation was recorded on 17th May 2021Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Robbie Shilliam, Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins UniversityExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer: Kaissa KarhuEditor: Amie Liebowitz www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

One of the ways in which eugenics became incorporated into mainstream society all around the world was through the birth control movement. Early twentieth-century birth control pioneers like Marie Stopes and Margaret Sanger were also ardent eugenicists, and their motives were bound up with imperial concerns about, as eugenicists saw it, the deterioration of the 'white race'. Their arguments were taken up in the cause of another imperialist concern, which was the growing population of non-white people in the colonies. In this episode, Subhadra and her guests consider how we can confront historical and contemporary eugenics practices in the continuing struggle for reproductive justice.This conversation was recorded on 22nd April 2021Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-what-does-eugenics-mean-us-episode-6Host: Subhadra DasGuests: Kate Law is a feminist historian who specialises in twentieth-century Southern African history. She is currently a Nottingham Research Fellow in the School of History at the University of Nottingham, and a Research Fellow in the International Studies Group at the University of the Free State. Her first book, Gendering the Settler State: White Women, Race, Liberalism and Empire in Rhodesia, 1950-1980 was published by Routledge in 2016, and her current research project is Fighting Fertility: The British Anti-Apartheid Movement and the Politics of Race and Contraception in South Africa.Kalpana Wilson is a Lecturer in Geography and her research explores questions of race/gender, labour, neoliberalism, and reproductive rights and justice, with a particular focus on South Asia and its diasporas. She is the author of Race, Racism and Development: Interrogating History, Discourse and Practice (Zed Books, 2012) and has published widely on race, gender, international development, women’s agency and rural labour movements.Paige Patchin Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity and Postcolonial Studies, and one of the founding lecturers at the Sarah Parker Remond Centre. Paige is a feminist geographer whose work looks at structures of power in biological, health, and earth sciences. Her research interests include infectious disease, race, and empire, genetics and epigenetics, reproductive health, and the Anthropocene. Her current book project looks at the Zika public health emergency between Puerto Rico and the United States.Producer: Cerys BradleyMusic: Blue Dot Sessionswww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/what-does-eugenics-mean-us www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

The places and spaces we inhabit profoundly affect our lives and how we live them in ways we need to think about more critically. At the launch of the project that is the subject of today's episode, Kamna Patel spoke to how people have been affected by the Covid-19 pandemic by saying "It is not who we are and what we eat that will kill us, but where we live and where we work." Subhadra’s guests in this episode came together to write a curriculum to help students and researchers of the built environment be more mindful about the ways in which their discipline actively reinforces and reproduces racism and ableism.This conversation was recorded on 21st April 2021Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-what-does-eugenics-mean-us-episode-5Host: Subhadra DasGuests: Kamna Patel is Associate Professor at the Bartlett Development Planning Unit.Yasminah Beebeejaun is Associate Professor at the Bartlett School of Planning.George Burridge is Senior Teaching and Learning Officer at the Bartlett Faculty Admissions Office.Producer: Cerys BradleyMusic: Blue Dot Sessions'Race' and Space: What is 'race' doing in a nice field like the built environment (The Bartlett, UCL Faculty of the Built Environment, 2020): www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/sites/bartlett/files/race_and_space_pdf_final.pdfOther authors of the curriculum were Solomon Zewolde, Tania Sengupta and Catalina Ortiz.Race, space and architecture: towards an open-access curriculum (LSE Department of Sociology, 2019) by Huda Tayob and Suzanne Hall: eprints.lse.ac.uk/100993/ www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/what-does-eugenics-mean-us www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Along with being inherently racist, eugenics was also an inherently ableist concern. In this episode Subhadra speaks to experts in the field of disability studies to explore the ways in which power delineates difference between people, and how this relates to the much broader structures of our society, as well as how we think and perceive of ourselves.This conversation was recorded on 14th April 2021Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-what-does-eugenics-mean-us-episode-4Host: Subhadra DasGuests: Nicole Brown is Lecturer in Education at the Institute of Education here at UCL, and the editor of two books: Ableism in Academia, Theorising Experiences of Disabilities and Chronic Illnesses in Higher Education, and the follow-up Lived Experiences of Ableism in Academia, Strategies for Inclusion in Higher Education, which is due out in May 2021.Nora Groce is Leonard Cheshire Professor of Disability and Inclusive Development at UCL. A medical anthropologist, Nora works on issues of global health, international development and human rights, with a particular focus on global disability issues. Producer: Cerys BradleyMusic: Blue Dot Sessionswww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/what-does-eugenics-mean-us www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Two of the fields where eugenic thinking had an enormous influence, and where some of its legacies continue to hold sway are Psychology and Education Studies. An influential figure in both those fields was a former UCL Professor of Psychology, Sir Cyril Burt. In this episode Subhadra and her guests wade through Burt’s legacy and reflect on how to confront and confound eugenic thinking in both these fields.This conversation was recorded on 31st March 2021Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-what-does-eugenics-mean-us-episode-3Host: Subhadra DasGuests: If you believe what you read on Twitter, Jack Bicker is just another millennial philosopher. By day, though, he is Senior Teaching Fellow in Philosophy and Education Studies at UCL's Institute of Education, where his work encompasses critical theory, aspects of political philosophy, philosophy of mind, psychoanalysis, and developmental psychology.Peter Fonagy is an award-winning psychologist and academic whose research centres on issues of early attachment relationships, social cognition, borderline personality disorder and violence. Among many other roles, he is Chief Executive of the Anna Freud National Centre for Children and Families in London and also Head of the Division of Psychology and Language Sciences at UCL.Lasana Harris is Associate Professor of Evolutionary Psychology at UCL. He is one of the brains behind the Unstereotype Experiment, which explored how increasing empathy in marketing professionals could increase creative and inclusive thinking, and his research at UCL examines the many different aspects of how we as humans perceive things and each other.Producer: Cerys BradleyMusic: Blue Dot Sessionswww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/what-does-eugenics-mean-us www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

This episode documents and commemorates a collaborative research project at UCL, which brought together geneticists, historians, archaeologists and museum curators to consider how science mediates the dilemma of death. It was called Curating Heads and its scientific aims were to use the latest techniques in Ancient DNA analysis to sequence the genomes of two historic figures at UCL: the philosopher Jeremy Bentham and the archaeologist, William Matthew Flinders Petrie. The exhibition that grew out of this research showcased this work and also critically examined the legacies of eugenics in genetics and archaeology. Join Subhadra and her guests as they reminisce about the project and reflect on the benefits of collaborative and interdisciplinary work.This conversation was recorded on 30th March 2021Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-what-does-eugenics-mean-us-episode-2Host: Subhadra DasGuests: Alice Stevenson was Curator of the Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology during the run of this project. She is now Associate Professor in Museum Studies at UCL's Institute of Archaeology, and also the co-founder of a brilliant decolonial museum project called 100 Histories of 100 Worlds in 1 Object.A historian and classicist by training, Debbie Challis was Audience Development at the Petrie Museum where her research, public programmes and exhibitions are seminal milestones in the history of critical eugenics at UCL. She is the author of The Archaeology of Race, and she is now Education and Outreach Officer at the London School of Economics Library. Mark Thomas is Professor of Evolutionary Genetics in the Research Department of UCL Genetics, Evolution and Environment. He is also UCL's ancient DNA researcher to the stars, having worked on aDNA projects on Richard III, and Charles Byrne (who was known as the Irish giant).Tim Causer is Research Fellow at The Bentham Project based at UCL Laws, and as such one of UCL's go-to Bentham experts. Together with Professor Philip Schofield, Tim is an editor of Panopticon vs. New South Wales and Other Writings on Australia, a forthcoming collection of the works of Jeremy Bentham.Producer: Cerys BradleyMusic: Blue Dot SessionsThe rest of the team behind Curating Heads, and its accompanying exhibition What Does It Mean to Be Human? were: Dr Elizabeth Dobson, Dr Lucy van Dorp, Dr Tom Booth and Dr Selina Hurley. Nick Booth was the Curator of the Auto-icon of Jeremy Bentham at the time of the project.www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/what-does-eugenics-mean-us www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

It has often been argued that eugenicists were not real scientists, but almost all of their ideas were grounded in late nineteenth and early twentieth-century scientific discourse. Science is a social and a socialised endeavour. Scientists are people, and their work is embodied in the social and historical contexts in which they live. In this episode, Subhadra speaks to science historians and communicators who are experts in exploring and uncovering the stories around our science. Together they look at how eugenic thinking can be perpetuated, but also confronted by the stories we tell.This conversation was recorded on 23rd March 2021Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-what-does-eugenics-mean-us-episode-1Host: Subhadra DasGuests: Chiara Ambrosio, Associate Professor in History and Philosophy of Science in UCL Department of Science and Technology Studies, with a special focus on the history of art and science. Chiara is one of the co-founders of Muso at IMPROPERA, the improvised opera production inspired by objects from science museums.Emily Dawson is Associate Professor in Science Communication at UCL Science and Technology Studies. She was awarded The Philip Leverhulme Prize in 2020 for her work on the sociology of science and education, getting people to talk across the science/non-science disciplinary divide. Emily is the author of Equity, Exclusion & Everyday Science Learning, which was published by Routledge in 2019.Rokia Ballo is part of the team who run Science London, a volunteer-led organization dedicated to training and enabling scientists and science communicators to employ equitable practise within their work. Science London have been nominated for the National Diversity Awards 2021.Angela Saini is an award-winning writer, science journalist and broadcaster whose two most recent books tackle and challenge the inbuilt inequalities in the life sciences. In Inferior, she looked at the science of gender, and in Superior, she looked at the science of race.Producer: Cerys BradleyMusic: Blue Dot Sessionswww.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/what-does-eugenics-mean-us www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Our latest Short Takes comes from Ian Sanjay Patel, author of the new book We’re Here Because You Were There: Immigration and the End of Empire (Verso, 2021). This important book provides a global history of post-war migration to the UK, offering fresh insights into the relationship between migration, citizenship and decolonization.Speaker: Ian Sanjay Patel, LSE Fellow in Human Rights, London School of EconomicsImage: We’re Here Because You Were There: Immigration and the End of Empire (Verso, 2021)Executive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuTranscript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-were-here-because-you-were-there-immigration-and-end-empire See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Paige Patchin is joined by science journalist, Angela Saini, for a conversation on her book Superior: The Return of Race Science, discussing the resurgence of race science, pseudoscientific racial myths and problematic narratives of human difference. Angela looks at how the changing figure of the Neanderthal is an example of how the circle of humanity can be used as tool of racism in science, and discusses the implications of race science in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic.This conversation was recorded on 22nd March 2021Speakers: Paige Patchin, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Angela Saini, science journalist, broadcaster and authorExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nicholas De Genova joins Luke de Noronha for a conversation about the relationship between bordering, migration and the pandemic, and his current thinking around The Migrant Metropolis. Nicholas discusses why it’s important to think of migrant crises as racial crises, recapturing the subjectivity of migration, and the autonomy of migration as a framework.This conversation was recorded on 8th February 2021Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Nicholas De Genova, Professor and Chair of the Department of Comparative Cultural Studies at the University of HoustonExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

As we approach the 40th anniversary of the Black People’s Day of Action march that took place on 2nd March 1981, Paul Gilroy welcomes Linton Kwesi Johnson, poet and activist, to reflect on the events of that day and year, and discuss how we see these patterns repeated in Black life in this country today in the forms of inequality and conflict and demands for truth, right and justice.This conversation was recorded on 9th February 2021Speaker: Linton Kwesi Johnson, world-renowned reggae poet and recording artistExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Luke de Noronha is joined by Les Back, Professor of Sociology at Goldsmiths, to talk about the concept of the ‘metropolitan paradox’, reflecting on how the events of 1981 – the New Cross house fire and the resulting Black People’s Day of Action march – formed his thinking and future academic work. Discussing how the tragedy of Grenfell Tower paralleled that of 1981, Les explores how the demonstrations and silent walks provide a service of hope.This conversation was recorded on 29th January 2021Speakers: Luke de Noronha, Lecturer in Race, Ethnicity & Postcolonial Studies, UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre // Les Back, Professor of Sociology, Goldsmiths University of LondonExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dennis Bovell, UK reggae pioneer and writer of the hit song Silly Games, joins Paul Gilroy for a conversation about his career as a producer, multi-instrumentalist, sound engineer and more. Dennis discusses not having any musical boundaries, working across reggae to country to afrobeats, and recounts stories of working with Linton Kwesi Johnson, Leroy Smart, Fela Kuti and John Kpiaye.This conversation was recorded on 21st November 2020Speaker: Dennis Bovell, UK Reggae pioneer, producer, musician, multi-instrumentalist, songwriter and sound engineerImage: Photo by Tim SchnetgoekeExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Maki Kimura (UCL Political Science & UCL Arts and Sciences) is joined by Pragna Patel, director and founding member of Southall Black Sisters. Pragna speaks to us about the feminist and anti-racist roots of Southall Black Sisters, discussing intersectionality and structures of inequality, domestic abuse and violence against women and girls, and how the pandemic has further impacted vulnerable groups such as migrant women.This conversation was recorded on 10th November 2020Speakers: Maki Kimura, Lecturer in UCL Political Science & UCL Arts and Sciences // Pragna Patel, director and founding member of Southall Black SistersExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Tamar Garb is joined by Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela, South African National Research Chair in Violent Histories and Transgenerational Trauma, for a conversation about her work and recent interventions into a very difficult political and social landscape in South Africa. Pumla uses social psychology and psychoanalysis to discuss the ongoing threat and challenge of racism, the intergenerational inheritance of trauma, and the notion of the aesthetic as a site for reparative humanism.This conversation was recorded on 6th November 2020Speakers: Tamar Garb, Durning Lawrence Professor in the History of Art at UCL // Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela, South African National Research Chair in Violent Histories and Transgenerational Trauma at Stellenbosch University, and the 2020-2021 Walter Jackson Bate Fellow at the Harvard Radcliffe InstituteExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Social anthropologist, Sindre Bangstad, discusses how local memories have been mobilised in the context of the Norwegian anti-racist movement, addressing the deep racialised grammar of the national imaginary of what Norway is. Exploring examples of right-wing extremism, Sindre reflects on the 2001 murder of Benjamin Hermansen as we approach the 20-year anniversary of his death.This conversation was recorded on 27th October 2020Speaker: Sindre Bangstad, Research Professor at KIFO, the Institute for Church, Religion and Worldview ResearchExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Our latest Short Take is provided by Camilla Schofield, Senior Lecturer in Modern History at UEA. This year, in conjunction with her fellow editors Daniel Geary and Jennifer Sutton, Camilla has produced Global White Nationalism: From Apartheid to Trump, an important anthology of writing covering different historical examples and geographical regions. Camilla talks to us about this substantive contribution to the really urgent discussions about whiteness, and the kind of political and scholarly intervention that it represents.Speaker: Camilla Schofield, Senior Lecturer in Modern History at University of East AngliaImage: Global White Nationalism: From Apartheid to Trump (Manchester University Press, 2020)Executive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Paul Gilroy is joined by Antonella Bundu, Italian activist and council member for a left coalition, for a conversation about the politics of Florence, Italy, and her position within the polity. Antonella discusses Black presence and belonging in the Italian context, fighting for social and civil rights, and the work that still needs to be done for an anti-racist and anti-fascist society.This conversation was recorded on 23rd October 2020Speaker: Antonella Bundu, activist and council member leading the left opposition Sinistra Progetto Comune groupExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Award-winning filmmaker, Steve McQueen, joins Paul Gilroy for a conversation on the motivation for his Small Axe film series. McQueen addresses making something that is Black and beautiful in depicting justice and freedom, and how art can give recognition to Black British lives by shoring up “who we are, where we came from and what we contributed to this country”.This conversation was recorded on 26th October 2020Speaker: Steve McQueen, Academy Award-winning filmmaker and artist; creator and director of Small AxeImage: Photo by John RussoExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Olivia U. Rutazibwa, Senior Lecturer in International Development and European Studies, explores rethinking international relations with a critical and anti-colonial perspective. Addressing the tearing down of statues of Leopold II in Belgium, reparations and recognition, and moving away from the language of ‘aid’, Olivia discusses decolonial thought and concepts of dignity, retreat and repair.This conversation was recorded on 13th October 2020Speaker: Olivia U. Rutazibwa, Senior Lecturer in International Development and European Studies at the University of PortsmouthImage: © Malebo SephodiExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Social and cultural anthropologist Francio Guadeloupe joins us for a conversation on understanding the black condition and the racialisation of Muslims within the Netherlands and the Dutch Caribbean. Addressing the conviviality and creolization of the Kingdom, Francio explains the harmony and struggle that is present and looks at the changing politics of race.This conversation was recorded on 7th October 2020Speaker: Francio Guadeloupe, Assistant Professor of Anthropology at the University of AmsterdamExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Gloria Wekker, author of White Innocence: Paradoxes of Colonialism and Race, discusses white innocence and colour-blindness in the Netherlands; reflecting on the country’s relationship with colonialism, its lack of discourse about race, and the importance of intergenerational knowledge exchange. Gloria also looks back on her experiences in the US: the moment she learned she was black, how the prom shaped her understanding of intersectionality, and the significance of having a black female professor for the first time.This conversation was recorded on 1st October 2020Speaker: Gloria Wekker, Professor Emeritus at Utrecht UniversityExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Our latest Short Takes podcast is provided by Luke de Noronha, author of Deporting Black Britons: Portraits of deportation to Jamaica. “An ethnography of deportation, and therefore an ethnography of separation, absence and exile”, Luke talks us through the motivation for his research and its contribution to our collective understanding and shared struggles.Speaker: Luke de Noronha, Simon Research Fellow at the University of ManchesterImage: Deporting Black Britons: Portraits of deportation to Jamaica (Manchester University Press, 2020)Executive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Acclaimed scholar of race, gender and law, Dorothy E. Roberts discusses the harm and health inequities produced by structural racism, with race correction in medicine disqualifying black people from specialised care, and evident collaboration of doctors and lawyers in promoting juridical ideas about race. Addressing a violent policing system that can be traced back to slave patrols and black codes, Dorothy also explains the need for abolition of the entire policing apparatus in the US.This conversation was recorded on 28th August 2020Speaker: Dorothy E. Roberts, George A. Weiss University Professor of Law and Sociology and the Raymond Pace and Sadie Tanner Mossell Alexander Professor of Civil Rights, University of PennsylvaniaExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Tamar Garb welcomes Jacob Dlamini for a conversation on the limitations of racialisations and categorisations, the problematic ethnicising of blackness, and understanding the centrality of race while also understanding that race doesn't explain everything. Jacob speaks on his work exploring the role of collaborators during apartheid, and how the traumas of the children of collaborators is important to the context of the traumas of South Africa’s past.This conversation was recorded on 30th July 2020Speakers: Tamar Garb, Director of UCL Institute of Advanced Studies and Durning Lawrence Professor in the History of Art // Jacob Dlamini, Assistant Professor of History at Princeton UniversityExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Gail Lewis, psychotherapist and Visiting Senior Fellow at LSE, joins us for a conversation on Britain’s racial formation; speaking across the generational lines; and how music captures life and sustains us. Gail offers her psychoanalysis on black lives ‘mattering’ and how “being present to the aliveness, and the moments of deadening, and the moments of possibility, even in silence, really teaches you something about being ‘with’.”This conversation was recorded on 13th July 2020Speaker: Gail Lewis, Visiting Senior Fellow in the Department of Gender Studies at London School of EconomicsExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Paul Gilroy is joined by George the Poet, for a conversation on poetry, podcasting and storytelling; looking at how hybridity and sociological thought have impacted George’s process of intuition and priorities in advocating for his community. George also discusses how, moving forward, these priorities are evolving around communication systems, value creation and academia.This conversation was recorded on 9th July 2020Speaker: George the Poet, spoken-word artist, poet and podcast host of Have You Heard George’s Podcast?Executive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Our latest Short Take is provided by Marlene L. Daut, Professor of African Diaspora Studies at the Woodson Institute, historian of Haiti, and an important voice in the burgeoning historical archive of neglected political and cultural dynamics of the Haitian revolution. Here Marlene talks to us about a forthcoming anthology she has co-edited with Grégory Pierrot and Marion Rohrleitner, titled An Anthology of Haitian Revolutionary Fictions (Age of Slavery).Speaker: Marlene L. Daut, Professor of African Diaspora Studies in the Carter G. Woodson Institute and the Program in American Studies at the University of VirginiaExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

David Theo Goldberg, Director of the University of California’s Humanities Research Institute, offers his insight about the state of critical thinking around race and racism, and the effacement of historicality in favour of presentism; and responds to the sanction of comparativisms and relationalities as “racism anywhere is not possible to be upheld without racisms elsewhere”.This conversation was recorded on 8th July 2020Speaker: David Theo Goldberg, Director of the University of California Humanities Research InstituteExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Paul Gilroy is joined by Courtenay Griffiths QC, distinguished criminal defence advocate with 40 years of experience, for a conversation on racism within the criminal justice system and its disproportionate effect on black people, and the need to confront patterns of criminalisation, the hierarchy within institutions and reforming education in relation to this.This conversation was recorded on 24th June 2020Speaker: Courtenay Griffiths QC, Barrister, 25 Bedford RowExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Suresh Grover, Director of the anti-racist grassroots group The Monitoring Group, joins us to discuss his work and campaigning in the struggle against racism in Britain, the notion of black as a political colour and the vision of an inclusive political culture, and the importance of exposing the lived experiences of black communities in addressing institutional and state racism.This conversation was recorded on 23rd June 2020Speaker: Suresh Grover, Director of The Monitoring GroupExecutive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Robert Reid-Pharr, Professor of African and African American Studies as well as Professor of Studies of Women, Gender and Sexuality at Harvard University, provides a taster of his eagerly anticipated publication of his major study on James Baldwin. Speaking on Baldwin’s former teacher, Abel Meeropol, writer of Strange Fruit which later became an anthem of the anti-lynching, anti-white supremacist movement, Robert offers a snippet of Baldwin’s young life.Speaker: Robert Reid-Pharr, Professor of African and African American Studies, and Professor of Studies of Women, Gender and Sexuality at Harvard UniversityImage: James Baldwin taken in Hyde Park, London, 1969, by Allan Warren (This image is licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0)Executive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

This Short Take has been generously provided to us by Suzanne Scafe, co-author of the ground-breaking 1985 book Heart of the Race: Black Women's Lives in Britain, and known for her involvement in supplementary schooling and the Brixton Black Women's Group. In this episode, Suzanne speaks to us about her new work in process and soon for publication, How Literature Matters: An Ethical Reading of Black British Women's Writing.Speaker: Suzanne Scafe, author and Visiting Fellow at London South Bank UniversityImage: Heart of the Race: Black Women’s Lives in Britain (Verso Books, 2018)Executive producer: Paul GilroyProducer and Editor: Kaissa KarhuRead the transcript for this podcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.