That's How I Remember It

Jim James of My Morning Jacket is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. I've been a big fan of My Morning Jacket since my old band Lifter Puller played a show with them way back in 2000. We talked briefly about that show as well as their fantastic new record, The Muppets, validation, depression, EMDR therapy, sleeping on tour buses, Danzig, The Doors, and so much more. Really a fantastic talk with Jim, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Listen and subscribe!

Adam Granduciel is my guest on this episode That's How I Remember It. Adam is the principal behind the amazing band The War on Drugs and also produced my new record Always Been. We've been friends since a 2009 THS/TWOD tour which we spoke about here. We also got into rock and roll ephemera, his Live Drugs records, being flattered by bootleg merch, our 2008 joint European tour that never happened, and making my record Always Been together. Grateful to Adam in so many ways including being a guest on this podcast. Great talk. Listen and subscribe.

Ben Nichols from Lucero is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Ben just released an unplugged record which features him and Lucero piano player Rick Steff performing stripped-down versions of some Lucero classics and deep cuts. We talked about that as well as the first Violent Femmes record, The Nerves' song “Hanging on the Telephone,” the Little Rock music scene, his brother Jeff's movie The Bikeriders, and the time both our bands opened for the Replacements in 2014. I always have a great time with Ben and this was no exception. Listen and subscribe!

Stuart Murdoch is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Stuart is the lead singer and songwriter of classic band Belle & Sebastian, who have consistently released amazing music since the mid '90s. He's now also the author of a great new novel Nobody's Empire, which mirrors his own personal experiences with chronic fatigue syndrome in the time leading up to the formation of B&S. We talked about that as well as Abba, Bay City Rollers, Come on Eileen, CS Lewis, writing letters to Quentin Crisp, Inland taipans, and so much more. It was a thrill for me to have Stuart on the show, I'm a huge fan, and I think we had a great talk. Listen and subscribe!

Patrick Radden Keefe is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Patrick is an incredible non-fiction writer, he's written a number of books including 2019's amazing Say Nothing, about the troubles in Northern Ireland. The book was the basis for the successful TV series that was on FX last year. He's also behind the Winds of Change podcast, which examined the potential of CIA involvement in the Scorpions hit song. We had a great talk here about falling in love with The New Yorker, counterfeit wine, Celebrity Apprentice, the Isabella Stewart Gardner museum heist, unexamined rock and roll conspiracies, and so much more. It was a great talk, excited to share it. Listen and subscribe!

Matt Johnson from The The is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. The The started in 1979 and has released a number of classic alternative records. In 2024, they came back with their first studio album in 24 years, the excellent Ensoulment. We talked about that as well as Jamboree bags, penny chews, coal-tar soap, being open to love and using old colognes to trigger memories. Matt is an inspiring artist who continues to do so much cool stuff, and it was an honor to have him here. Listen and subscribe! 

Tamara Lindeman makes music as The Weather Station and she is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Tamara just released a fantastic record called Humanhood, which comes follows 2021's breakthrough Ignorance and its 2022 companion How Is It That I Should Look at the Stars. We talked about the making of Humanhood, climate grief, trusting musicians, winds vs. synths, and making music so you can go on tour. I thought this was a really great conversation, and I'm excited to be able to share it here. Listen and subscribe! 

Willy Vlautin is my guest on the first That's How I Remember It episode of 2025. Willy is an amazing songwriter and novelist. He's published seven incredible novels, most recently 2024's The Horse. After leading the band Richmond Fontaine for years, he moved over to a pure songwriting role in The Delines, who are releasing a great record Mr. Luck & Ms. Doom next month. We talked about that as well as the effect of anxiety on memory, Steinbeck, William Kennedy, TV/Film adaptations of his work, and so much more. Willys is a friend and also a complete inspiration. I was so happy to go deep with him here. Listen and subscribe. 

Narrated by Luis Guzmán, Sound Influence: The Art and Soul of Puerto Rico pairs stories from some of the Island's most exciting musicians, including Los Rivera Destino, Pachyman, and Andrea Cruz, with major artists outside of music, such as Hollywood film director Miguel Arteta, Oscar-nominated screenwriter Jose Rivera, author Jaquira Diaz, and legendary EGOT Rita Moreno. Listeners will get to know Puerto Rico's incredible towns, cities, beaches, rainforests, mountains, bars, and dance clubs that not only shaped their work but ultimately influenced global culture. Sound Influence: The Art and Soul of Puerto Rico is a production of Talkhouse and Atlas Obscura, presented by Discover Puerto Rico. Tap here to subscribe.

Dave Pirner is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. I grew up a massive Soul Asylum fan so I was thrilled to have Dave here to talk about his excellent new record, playing trumpet in the Minnesota Youth Symphony, different roles producers play, honoring his deceased band member Karl Mueller, our mutual guitar teacher Chris Osgood, and whether he is the guy yelling at the police at the beginning of The Replacements' Stink record. Was a great talk. Listen and subscribe. 

Pete Yorn is my guest on this episode of THIRI. He's had an amazing career as a songwriter, starting with his huge debut record musicforthemorningafter in 2001. Since then he's made a ton of good records, including this year's The Hard Way. We talked about that as well as liking sad songs as a young person, learning covers, Moleskin notebooks, being wary of producers, seeing one of Tom Petty's last shows, Shrek 2, and a whole lot more. Was an absolute pleasure to speak with Pete, I really enjoyed it. Listen and subscribe! 

Jesse Malin is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. A complete legend of NYC rock and roll, Jesse suffered a spinal stroke in 2023 and has been rehabilitating since. His songs are covered in a new tribute album with a star-studded lineup. Many of these artists will be playing the Beacon Theater in December when Malin and his band take the stage for the first time since the stroke. We talked about all of that as well as playing with the Misfits in 1981, seeing the Ramones for the first time, and so much more. Was a thrill to spend this time with Jesse. This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

Kathleen Edwards is my guest on this very special episode of That's How I Remember It. We were on tour together in September in Europe, and this was recorded live in front of an audience in Odense Denmark at the wonderful Nashville Nights festival before Kathleen and I also performed a show where we traded songs back and forth. On this podcast we talked about creating worlds where you'd want to live in songs, Whitney Houston, playing violin, John Mellencamp, clubbing in South Korea, Greggs sausage rolls, whether living in Florida has affected her songwriting, and so much more. I loved touring with Kathleen and loved talking to her here. Enjoy, listen and subscribe!  This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

Katy Kirby is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Her record Blue Raspberry came out in early 2024 and it's one my absolute favorites from this year. We talked about making that record and also typing lyrics on an old school typewriter, “Hard Drive” by Evan Dando, worship chords, playing bass in a church band at 13 years old, 4 Loko, and much more. Great talk! Listen and subscribe. This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

Billy Bragg is a hero of mine and also my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. He's a fantastic songwriter, incredible performer, outspoken activist and so much more. We talked about him teaching songwriting to hospice patients, songwriting allowing us to say things we can't always say, Johnny Marr playing on “Greetings from the New Brunette”, his portable PA system The Portastack, his first US shows, and how he has great faith in the American people. A thrill for me to have Billy here, it was a great talk. Listen and subscribe.

Eef Barzelay of Clem Snide is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. I've known Eef a bit for a long time but never had this long of a conversation with him, which I loved. He's just made a fantastic new record called Oh Smokey and we talked about that, resisting writing things down, the mystique of Led Zeppelin, bands not breaking up anymore, making his record with Josh Kaufman, God, and death, and the last time we hung out. Really fun hang, listen and subscribe! This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

Ian Felice from The Felice Brothers is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. I've admired Ian's songs and performances for a long time, and the band's new release Valley of Abandoned Songs is yet another great record from them. We talked about that as well as playing bagpipes, how he can remember whole pages from books, his painting, his relationship with Conor Oberst, going to the same high school as Mike Tyson, and so much more. Listen and subscribe! This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

Beth Ditto is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Earlier this year, Beth and her band The Gossip came back after a 12 year break to release the excellent Real Power LP. We talked about that as well as the first Gossip tour, Cindy Lauper, The Monkees, hair metal, Gossip records vs. solo records, and a beautiful party on a boat in Sydney Harbor in 2006 that we both attended. Amazing talk, huge thanks to Beth for joining me.

Alex Edelman is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Alex is a brilliant comedian and writer who recently finished a wildly successful run with his one man show Just for Us, which won a Tony Award this year. I thought the show was really incredible, so I was thrilled to talk to him about it. We also spoke about his time as a ball boy for Boston College basketball, Ben Folds, doing a pottery apprenticeship in Japan, empathy as a vibe, and much more. Such a great talk, huge thanks to Alex for joining me.  This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

Josh Kaufman is my guest on this episode That's How I Remember It. Josh is a massively talented musician and producer. He plays in the band Bonny Light Horseman and also has produced records for Bob Weir, Cassandra Jenkins, Anais Mitchell, The Hold Steady, and myself. Outside of my bandmates, no other person has made such an impact on my musical life. I'm honored to have Josh here to have this conversation, which was really great. Listen and subscribe!

Ani DiFranco is my guest on this week's episode of That's How I Remember It. Ani is a true force of independent music and she's done so much: over 20 studio albums, her own record label, a memoir, etc. Plus, she just finished a run performing on Broadway in the musical Hadestown. We talked about all of this as well as her new album Unprecedented Shit, working with producer BJ Burton, being proud to call herself a folk singer, and a lot more. Huge thanks to Ani for being a part of it. Listen and subscribe! This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

I am a huge fan of Arab Strap and I was so psyched to visit with Aidan Moffat and Malcolm Middleton and talk about their band and their great new record I'm Totally Fine With It Don't Give A Fuck Anymore. We also talked about NYC restaurant Sammy's Romanian, moving away from autobiographical songwriting, “Jolly Roger” by Adam & The Ants, the word “stotious”, and so much more. A fantastic talk, please listen and subscribe. This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

My guest today is Sam Beam, who writes and records music as Iron & Wine. Sam is an incredibly beautiful and vivid songwriter who has just released a great new album called Light Verse. We talked about whether this might be his funniest record, as well as college shows, The Rescuers, Davey Crocket, wisdom vs. experience, and the value of art being in the creation more than the reception. I loved speaking to Sam about all of this, he's a fascinating artist. Listen and subscribe! This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

Matthew Houck from Phosphorescent is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. I've loved Matthew's music for years and was excited to talk to him about his great new record Revelator, what he learns from covering other artist's songs, whether geographic moves affect his music, Willie Nelson, Bob Dylan, moon phases, and his most well-known song "Song for Zula". Matthew was a fantastic guest, and I very much enjoyed our talk. Listen and subscribe. This episode is brought to you by DistroKid. DistroKid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists keep 100% of their royalties and earnings. To learn more and get 30% off your first year's membership, visit: distrokid.com/vip/craigfinn

We are back with a new episode of That's How I Remember It, and we celebrate being back with excellent guest Eric Burton of the Black Pumas. The Black Pumas formed in 2018 and their rise can only be called meteoric. The band went from a bar residency to Grammy nominations and worldwide touring. We talked about this, skateboarding to Albert King, external meanings being attached to the BP song “Colors”, the first meeting with his bandmate Adrian Quesada, meditating before shows, and being present and grateful in the music itself. A great talk, huge thanks to Eric for joining me.

This episode was recorded March 2, 2024 in front of a live audience at The Moth Club in London. I was just wrapping up a solo tour with Scott Lavene as the support act, and he was also my first guest of the afternoon. We talked about his upcoming record and his excellent memory for what he had for breakfast each day of our tour. My second guest was the amazing Mat Osman, who was the bassist and founding member of the band Suede as well as an author of several books. We spoke about his most recent excellent novel The Ghost Theater, milestones from the early days of Suede, his love of London, and so much more. It was a beautiful afternoon at The Moth Club, and great to relive here.

Welcome to a bonus episode of That's How I Remember It. This episode was recorded live at the Wythe Hotel in Brooklyn the first night of the Hold Steady's annual Massive Nights celebration in November 2023. The first guest is Peter Shapiro, stellar music promoter, owner of the Brooklyn Bowls, former owner of The Wetlands music club, the list goes on. We talked about his philosophies about multi-night events, leaving early, playing zone defense and his first show at Wetlands. After Pete, we visited with Michael Hann, a music writer based in the UK who authored The Gospel of The Hold Steady book that came out in 2023. Michael is a longtime friend and fan of the band and we spoke of surprises in the book, favorite THS shows, first meetings, etc. Throughout it all I check in with my bandmates in THS to hear their recollections of 2023, our 20th year as a band. This was a great event, and it's a lot of fun to revisit it on the eve of the THS Weekender 2024 shows in London this weekend.

Jason Isbell is my guest on the final episode of Season 3 of That's How I Remember It. Jason is, of course, one of the great songwriters of our time. His newest record with his band The 400 Unit is 2023's Weathervanes. It continues an incredible and probably unrivaled streak of great records in this past decade. We talked about that as well as Patterson Hood's songs, Pentecostal band chaos, sequencing for vinyl, David Gilmour and Paul Kossoff, great backstage graffiti, whether Tool was influenced by The Grifters and, of course, Ybor City. Big thanks to Jason for joining us. Thanks to you for listening to Season 3. We will be back for more, stay tuned!

Alynda Segarra makes music as Hurray For The Riff Raff and they are my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. I've been really loving Alynda's new record The Past is Still Alive so we talked about that as well as the surprising nature of grief, ABC NO RIO, songs as monuments, taking lessons from nature, and Blood on the Tracks weather. This was such a great talk with a fantastic artist. Listen and subscribe! 

Josh Ritter is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Josh is an immensely talented and prolific songwriter and author. I really dug his most recent record, 2023's Spectral Lines. We talked about that as well as Lutheran hymns, looking back on old records, the night we met at a Springsteen tribute at Carnagie Hall, and Bob Dylan covering a song that he wrote. Josh is a fascinating guest and I enjoyed it immensely. Listen and subscribe!

Jay Sweet is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Jay has done a lot of things but is best known as the force behind the Newport Folk Festival. I have been at Newport for the past two years and have been blown away by the music and the community. Jay and his staff are in the business of making memories at Newport. We talked about that special vibe as well as Lewis Carrol, his first Grateful Dead show, REM at Radio City Music Hall as a youth, Lana Del Rey, and THS at Newport 23. Great talk. Listen and subscribe! 

Duff McKagan is my guest on the newest That's How I Remember It. Duff is, of course, a founding member of Guns & Roses, one of the biggest rock bands of all time. He also is a million other things: old-school punk, martial arts enthusiast, history buff, etc. In 2023, Duff toured with Guns & Roses and found the time to release his own record Lighthouse. We talked about all of that as well as the influence of seeing The Clash in 1979, losing memory to excess, telling the truth, going through a Crusades phase, and so much more. Duff was an amazing guest. Please listen and subscribe!

Tom Scharpling is my guest on today's episode of That's How I Remember It. Tom is the host and creator of The Best Show, a comedy and music radio show that has run since 2000. He has also written for television and, in 2021, published a great memoir called It Never Ends. We talked about the book, bad behavior at rock concerts, trying out for the New Monkees, the aggrieved yet positive tone of The Best Show, and so much more. Big thanks to Tom for coming on the show and being a great guest. Listen and subscribe!

Dennis Lehane is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Dennis is the author of over a dozen fantastic novels. Some of these, such as Mystic River, Shutter Island, and Gone Baby Gone, have been made into successful films. We talked about his most recent novel Small Mercies as well as Boston bussing protests, “Strawberry Letter 23,” the '70s hangover of the Vietnam War in America, nicknames, and so much more. Huge thanks to Dennis for joining, please listen and subscribe.

Slaughter Beach, Dog's Jake Ewald is my guest on this week's That's How I Remember It. Jake is a fantastic songwriter and storyteller, and in 2023 he released a killer record called Crying, Laughing, Waving, Smiling. We talked about the record as well as novelty songs, being a “talky” singer, artists with large catalogs, Delaware beach towns, and much more. Jake was such a fun cool guest and I really enjoyed the talk. Listen and subscribe!

My guest on this week's That's How I Remember It is M.C. Taylor of the band Hiss Golden Messenger. This year, he released a great record called Jump for Joy and we talked about that as well as Goth vs. Death Rock, his old band Ex-Ignota and how hardcore still influences him, changing band lineups, his hometown of Irvine, CA, and much much more. M.C. Taylor is a dream guest, he's wise and thoughtful and passionate. It's a great talk, listen and subscribe!

My guest on this episode of THIRI is Dessa. She's at true multi-hyphenate artist: a rapper, singer, author, podcast host, and more. This year she released a great album called Bury the Lede and we talked about that as well as her 2018 book My Own Devices, lutes, secret songs on CDs, lucid dreams, the term “breaking news”, our hometown of Minneapolis, and a whole lot more. It was a really great conversation. I very much enjoyed it and I bet you will too. Listen and please subscribe! 

This week's THIRI guest is Johnny Marr. Johnny is truly one of the all-time great rock and roll guitarists, and has created a musical body of work that has very few rivals. He's recently released a new book called Marr's Guitars as well as Spirit Power, a collection pulled from his solo records. We talked about all of that as well as his emotional response to colors, “street bands”, the life-changing moment of buying The Stooges' Raw Power LP, and the time The Smiths met Van Halen. An incredible episode!

Today my guest on That's How I Remember It is Peter Jesperson. Peter has written an awesome book called Euphoric Recall which details a rock and roll life filled with amazing music stories. We talked about our mutual hometown of Minneapolis, hearing the White Album for the first time, early 1970s concerts, managing the Replacements, whether the Replacements should have been bigger, his fandom for Phoebe Bridgers, and so much more. It's an incredible book and a great episode. Listen and subscribe!

Today on That's How I Remember It, I welcome John McCauley and Ian O'Neil from Deer Tick. This year they put out a new album called Emotional Contracts, and I think it's their best yet. We talked about that as well as songs about space, John playing with Los Lobos at Newport Folk Festival this year, playing covers, and increasingly shared songwriting duties. It was a great talk and the first double guest episode of this podcast. Lots more coming up, listen and subscribe!

This week on That's How I Remember It, I am thrilled to host an absolute hero of mine, Bob Mould. In his seminal '80s band Husker Du, in the '90s with Sugar, and across all decades as a solo artist, Bob is an artistic force that shows no signs of slowing down. We talked about '60s pop music, taking guitar lessons, visiting The Replacements Tim sessions, the 1984 Village Voice Pazz & Jop poll, and writing a memoir before releasing five more albums. Huge thanks to Bob Mould for being awesome. Listen and subscribe to hear even more great guests coming up. 

Welcome back to That's How I Remember It. I'm honored to have the incredible songwriter Lucinda Williams here to kick off Season 3. Lucinda is an all time great American songwriter and a three time Grammy winner. This year she put out a fascinating memoir and a great new album as well. I talked to her about all of this as well as seeing Jimi Hendrix in concert, getting past grieving to write songs, Blaze Foley & Townes Van Zandt, how the Vietnam War affected her personally, and so much more. A huge thanks to Lucinda for joining me here. Season 3 is full of great guests, so listen and subscribe. 

We are back. Season 3 of That's How I Remember It is here and we've got some fantastic guests coming up to talk about how memory affects the stories we tell ourselves and others. And so much more. Listen and subscribe!

Hope everyone is having a great summer. In this flash episode I share some of my favorite summer rock festival moments and let you all know about upcoming Positive Jam festival that The Hold Steady is hosting on August 5 in Accord, NY. I give thoughts on all the bands on the lineup: Guided by Voices, The Tallest Man on Earth, Laura Stevenson, I Get Wild, and Oceanator. We'll be back before too long with Season 3. In the meantime - listen, subscribe and join us at Positive Jam. 

That's a wrap on Season 2! School is out for summer. We had a great time here with some incredible guests. Here I reflect on the season that was: the great conversations, what I enjoyed, what I learned, etc. I also let you know what I'm doing this summer and where I'm going to be. A huge thanks to everyone that listened and we'll be back for Season 3 in a little bit. Stay Positive! 

The Hold Steady is my guest on this week's episode of That's How I Remember It. It was recorded live in front of a wonderful audience at Rev Hall Show Bar in Portland Oregon during our amazing weekend of shows there. This was our first episode with more than one guest, and it all worked out pretty great. I asked my fellow band members about their memories, especially how it relates to our twenty years as a band. We talked about early music memories, 9th albums, shirtless frontmen, remembering songs, The Doors, when exactly heavy metal dudes stopped being scary, and so much more. It was such a cool honor to have my bandmates join me here. Keep listening and subscribing! 

This week on THIRI we take a break from hosting guests. I take the time to give a quick update on all the things I have going on in the next few months. Lots of shows, mostly with The Hold Steady. Next week we'll be back with guests and our second-ever live audience taping. Listen and subscribe!

Hanif Abdurraqib is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Hanif is the author of two poetry collections and three non-fiction books, all of which have garnered critical acclaim and awards. We spoke a lot about his most recent book 2021's A Little Devil in America as well as touring as an author, discovering MTV, dancing in school, "Don't Stop Believing," geographic memory, and much much more. Great talk, was thrilled to have Hanif join me. Lots more coming up, please listen and subscribe. 

Bill Hader is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Bill is an incredibly talented actor, writer, director. Barry, the show that Bill created and stars in, has just entered its fourth and final season, so we talked a lot about that. But we also spoke of Frank Zappa, late night movies, memorizing lines, being a PA on films, playing the same character for 4 seasons, the initial idea for Barry, and so much more. Huge thanks to Bill Hader for joining me here. We've got even more great guests coming up, so please listen and subscribe.

Eric D. Johnson is my guest on the newest episode of That's How I Remember It. Eric is the singer, songwriter and principal of the band The Fruit Bats, and also a member of modern folk supergroup Bonny Light Horseman. The Fruit Bats are releasing their 10th studio album this week titled A River Running To Your Heart. We talked about that as well as the first Boston album, writing songs as therapy, anxiety dreams about shows, and how every audience is a unique organism. Big thanks to Eric for joining me here. Please listen and subscribe, lots more to come here in the future.

Karly Hartzman is my guest on this episode of That's How I Remember It. Karly is the singer and songwriter of the great band Wednesday, who are releasing their fantastic album Rat Saw God this week. We talked about this record, her interesting way of pulling details into songs, building monuments, being Southern, race car drivers, How To With John Wilson, and much much more. Huge thanks to Karly for joining, please listen and subscribe as there are lots more great guests coming up.