Washed Up Emo

Today on the podcast, we welcome John Congleton. John and I speak about emo, his old band, The Paper Chase, and the bands he's worked with. It's extensive and impressive! A truly remarkable and open talk about emo with someone who's worked with the best! https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan and Sam speak about the upcoming untitled Promise Ring documentary and how they need your help! https://www.thepromiseringdoc.com/ https://www.instagram.com/thepromisering_documentary Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we have back for a 3rd time, Chris Simpson. He recently released a new Mountain Time album called “Dream Homes” on Spartan Records. We talk about the album and really go deep on the making of and the artwork.  We also talk about death, planning, and doing things out of love.  Lastly you can tell we've spoken a lot as it's just a lot of jokes and sorta feels like we just recorded one of many conversations together over the years. I could not be more proud to speak with Chris and know he's still making music. It's a gift.  https://spartanrecords.com/collections/mountain-time/products/mountain-time-dream-homes https://mountaintime.bandcamp.com/album/dream-homes Support: https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Best Friends Forever 2025 was just announced, and I have instant feedback on who's playing and the changes for 2025. Listen to all the bands via this playlist on Soundcloud Support the show via Patreon patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Jason Bishop and Bryan Hoffa from the band Bells on Trike. Fun fact: they were around for only a few years in the late '90s, and this is their first-ever interview! Numero Group has their music up on streaming services. Go search it out.  https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome Amanda MacKaye. Amanda and I chat about the new Bed Maker record that's out on Dischord, a big discussion about genre, emo, and her take on it from the world she came from in DC. We talk about the industry as a whole and what's exciting for Amanda in 2024. This was a really great conversation and I kept a lot of the back and forth in more than usual to keep that feeling for you the listener.  https://linktr.ee/bedmakerdc https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Kristin Thomson and Jenny Toomey from Tsunami and Simple Machines.  We talk about the 90s, running Simple Machines, their new box set out on Numero Group, what DIY means to them, and how it impacts their lives and current work.  I learned a lot from this episode. It was so fun to sit back and be reminded how much more I need to know and listen.  Support: https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We talk about the Seattle scene he grew up in, Acceptance, Anberlin's new stuff, and we go deep into his years on the road and how he's balanced his career and family. Plus, your favorite topic, emo. Please listen to the latest Anberlin record, Vega, out on Equal Vision Records. Support: patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we welcome Will Sartain from S&S Presents and Best Friends Forever Festival. Will and I talk about Kilby Court, the longest-running all-ages venue in SLC, and his DIY past. We dive into first thoughts and planning for the festival. It's a really fun look behind the curtain on one of the most unique festivals hitting a specific time frame and Venn diagram we all know and love. If you're on the way, you're on your way back. If you've never heard of it, take a second and check it out.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome sunny day real estate. Jeremy Enigk, William Goldsmith, and Dan Hoerner recently took time to chat with me ahead of this run around the anniversary of Diary.  I didn't edit it. I just talk to them as you would if you got to sit with them for an hour. I hope you feel you're next to them, chiming in or nodding along. i can't explain listening back to this the joy I feel hearing them all happy. This is a celebration. A band so cherished and revered is better than they were when you say you saw them first. Go see them now.  I can't explain how much getting 250 episodes feels, either. I can try, but through many ups and downs, as I'm sure you have going on now, in the past, or up ahead, it felt right to have this happen now. I struggle a lot with keeping up, and I struggle with thinking no one cares. This past year, I spent a lot of time looking for support in those ups and downs.  Hearing SDRE laugh, talk over each other, remind each other of things, and support each other as they go down this road of not nostalgia but celebration and continuation of a band that goes beyond a word, a phase, or even a scene.  From the bottom of my heart, thank you to Jeremy, William, and Dan for coming on and sharing a little about themselves. I hope you enjoy listening along with all the mistakes, my usual questions about emo. I think 250 in, I am not changing the format, there are plenty more stories to hear from our heroes, here's to 250 more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tony and Jamie from Prawn come on the podcast to talk about getting back together, doomsday prepping, Erewhon, and we inform Tony about a Key and Peele sketch on texting. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I last spoke to Orenda for episode 181 with her bandmate Maria Taylor for the band Azure Ray. Today, we're discussing her new book, “The Witch's Daughter.” I finished this book in about four days and couldn't put it down. It's an amazing book about trauma. There will be something that resonates with you, a family member, or a friend at some point while reading this book. If you aren't convinced, you will want to read this book after listening to the conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Vagrant Records was on fire in the 2000s. That fire was fueled by their music videos, which, at the time, was how you got to the kids. Maureen Barry was a true pioneer in making amazing videos in this scene, and with some timing, millions saw them. This is how she started; the stories are attached to some of your favorite band's music videos and careers. Support: https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Newsletter: https://washedupemo.substack.com/ Podcast network: https://www.doubleelvis.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we welcome John Anderson from Boys Life and Suburban Eyes. We talk about the recent unreleased songs from Boys Life streaming via Numero Group and his new group, Suburban Eyes, with Eric Richter from Christie Front Drive and Jeremy Gomez from Mineral. Suburban Eyes' record is out in August via Spartan Records. I hope you enjoy the episode! Support: https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Boys Life / Suburban Eyes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

David NeSmith has been part of some groundbreaking bands in emo. He's not afraid to say it throughout the episode, either! From Maximillian Colby's screamo days to the dissonance of Sleepytime Trio and his work with Bats & Mice. They all scream not just emo but a need to create and share new sounds still to this day. Dave made a playlist you can check out on WashedUpEmo.com or below on the discography of his career. Dive in. The new Bats & Mice record is called Ps: Seriously. Dave's playlist Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome John O'Callaghan from The Maine. The Maine have had a long history in the scene and are about to jump on the Sad Summer Tour. John and I spoke about emo extensively and how the band and the music have stayed alive after all these years. I love how little it took to edit. I had a blast talking to John about all things music and emo.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Vish Khanna from the Kreative Kontrol podcast. Vish has had almost 900 guests from across the creative spectrum. A truly amazing interviewer, and it was an honor to have him on the show. Thanks to Holmes from American Football for connecting us! http://vishkhanna.com/ https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome David Mitchell from the Montreal-based band Gulfer. I have loved them since I first heard them in the 2010s. I've had a soft spot for their sound and continued work ethic to make music through things that happen in life. Their most recent album, out as of late February, is called Third Wind, and boy, do we get on the chats about waves of emo and the in-between waves as well. Thanks to Topshelf Records, the excellent label that helped put this interview together. Go check out Gulfer. It's a gem worth taking repeated spins in the car with the windows rolled down.  https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo Gulfer's Definitive Guide to 4.5 Wave Emo (2015-2018) https://www.topshelfrecords.com/roster/gulfer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Dallas Green from City and Colour and Alexisonfire. I've had the pleasure of working with him over the years and he helped shape who I am. We got to catch up about emo, what Elliott means to him, Canadian bands you should check out, who has been lost, and what he's looking forward to. Thank you for listening and thanks to all at Dine Alone team for helping make this happen.  Photo credit: Vanessa Heins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally from Baltimore, Christine Osazuwa got her start in music at 15. She holds degrees in music, marketing and data science and combined those passions into roles in data & marketing at Universal Music Sweden and Warner Music Group in London. Currently, Christine is the Chief Strategy Officer for ticketing & event marketing startup Shoobs where she leads their marketing & brand partnerships strategy. In addition, she sits on the board of The LIVE Association, Indie Venue Week, and Keychange US. Christine is also the Founder of Measure of Music–part conference, part hackathon– which introduces music & data to others while highlighting majority minority attendees and speakers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Tim Semple, drummer from Boilermaker. Boilermaker was a band from the San Diego area and was on a few labels, including our friends Better Looking Records, who had a CD compilation called Leucadia that has been taking on a life of its own over the years. As the constant feeding frenzy for what's not streaming, Boilermaker had a few things not up as they say, and Numero Group stepped in to help get them in the ears of those searching.  One person in Boilermaker hasn't been able to see this rebirth. Terrin Durfey, who played bass and sang in Boilermaker, passed away from cancer in 2008. Tim speaks about hearing Terrin live and the weird crew of people they connected with within their short time together as a band.  A must listen.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Jason Trabue. He's an accomplished tour and production manager for many bands, including Jimmy Eat World and Garbage. His story of how he got there slides into hardcore and emo with his roots in Kansas City, deciding to try something and started learning the road from the other side. You may have seen him with Hopesfall or alongside other bands in that world. This episode is an excellent lesson for working hard and being calm in a place with constant chaos. Look out for some new Casket Lottery with Jason on the drums or see him on the largest tours in the world, holding it down for many years to come. It was an honor to have him talk about his life.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Garrett Rothman started Art Monk Construction with a friend back in the 90s to release some amazing records. I was obsessed with some of their releases including Seven Storey Mountain and Kerosene 454. Garrett was also in some amazing bands like Junction and Don't Sleep. His most recent project Calling Hours has a new album out now on Revelation Records. Garrett has some amazing stories about his time in bands, running the label, and his connection to DC. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we welcome Nicholas Pye from the mid-90s band Shotmaker. Recently, Solid Brass compiled all of their music into some beautiful vinyl and digital releases for your ears. They are a fantastic band that was only around for a short period of time, but their sound and influence still resonate today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome back Matt Pryor. Matt is on to talk about his recently announced memoir he wrote called Red Letter Days. It's up for pre-order right now, or if you're in the future, head over to Washed Up Books to get one!  Matt and I discuss how he started writing, how he feels about it now, how his adversity and stories helped him deal with many things, and how he's better for it.  Quick note: We mentioned a guy named Frank early on. We were talking about Frank Turner, the musician who helped Matt start the process of writing. This has been a fantastic partnership where Matt trusted me as I dove deeper into book publishing, and he did the same by bearing his soul in this book. I hope you enjoy the book, or if you're coming back after reading and listening to this, I hope it adds to the pages you've read. Either way, thanks for supporting Washed Up Emo.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With the launch of Matt's first memoir, "Red Letter Days," I listened to the first time Matt and I spoke for the podcast. It was great that I thought it was worth having those who may have missed. Plus, this was a big launching point for the show as I was starting to get bigger and bigger guests. Crazy to think that was 10 years ago this month. Please pre-order Matt's book "Red Letter Days" at WashedUpBooks.com Newsletter sign up Notes from episode 20 I wrote in 2013... "It was an absolute honor to have Mr. Matt Pryor from The Get Up Kids be a part of the podcast. I just noticed after listening back to this episode that the only person left to interview from my opening musical montage is Jeremy Enigk. What a trip it's been. Matt was great to chat with and even had to scold his kids who you can hear at times during the interview. We dove into the first time Matt sang live in front of someone, Kansas City, Boy's Life, ripping off "Static Prevails" and why bands do 10 year anniversaries. Matt also mentioned his opinion on the word "emo" and throughout the podcast you can hear his voice ring with truth that also transcends to the bands he was in and his way of life. And you have to hear what song The Get Up Kids never have to practice that you love. Finally, download his recently launched podcast "Nothing To Write Home About" which is a great listen and unique insight into the scene." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, on the podcast, there is a massive announcement. This morning, I launched a book publishing company called Washed Up Books. After two volumes of Anthology of Emo, I really felt there was more to do in this space and because of your support, it's time to make this a real thing.  Today, I'm proud to announce Red Letter Days, the debut novel from Matt Pryor from the Get Up Kids, New Amsterdams, and Terrible Twos. Today, it's available for preorder via WashedUpBooks.com or via our friends at PolyvinylRecords.com. And yes, it is available worldwide. Wherever you are in the world, you can get this! I thought it would be fun to recap the releases of Anthology of Emo and how we got to doing Red Letter Days with the designer Jesse Reed. Jesse's day job is Order, a design firm, Standards Manual book series, and in a fantastic band called Sharkswimmer, where he's the drummer. It'll make sense as you hear the episode. Jesse was invaluable to making these a reality, and we go into the story of how we started doing books and dive into books and music.  This is overwhelming to have happened. It's amazing to think someone like Matt Pryor, whom I idolized, has put pen to paper and written a fantastic series of stories that I have been waiting to tell you for so long.  Truly, thank you for the support on this podcast and the books. Shout out to everyone who helped make the Anthologies happen, Polyvinyl Records, Ian King, and many others… This is just the start of Washed Up Books.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Eric Richter and Glenn Maryansky from the band Antarctica. Eric was in Christie Front Drive and has been on the podcast before. Eric had this other band with an amazing group of musicians in the late 90s in NYC that went more toward the NYC electronic scene and more Underworld, New Order, The Cure, Ride, etc. At the time, it was largely forgotten. Solid Brass Records is getting this stuff online for everyone to enjoy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast, we welcome Denver Dalley from bands such as Desaparecidos, Statistics, and Weak Nights. If you haven't dove into any of these bands, they're a fantastic assortment of unforgettable riffs and sounds. Be on the lookout for more from Weak Nights.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome Elise Okusami from Oceanator. She is signed to Polyvinyl Records and currently on a run of dates with Braid and going to rock with Into It Over It as well. Elise is an amazing musician and recently released Nothing's Ever Fine back in 2022 and has a new single called "Part Time."  You can find everything out about Oceanator at Oceanator.surf  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome Bull Gervasi from Policy of 3, Four Hundred Years, and R.A.M.B.O.! Bull has an amazing story to tell about his music and personal life. An absolute legend in the scene from Policy of 3 to Four Hundred Years, he pursued punk and DIY in a way that should be modeled and taught in schools. Even if you don't know the bands, you will after this interview. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome Colin McCann from Don Martin Three, Vulture Feather and Wilderness. Don Martin Three were from St Augustine Florida from the years 1993 to 1996. If you're a fan of Moss Icon, Indian Summer and Policy Of 3. Screaming, quiet loud parts, and amazing guitar work, this is a band to listen to. We talk about that time and the bands from the 90s when the word didn't mean much. We then get into Vulture Feather, a new album called Liminal Fields is out now and one of the best albums of the year. So search it out. We talk about the meaning behind the band and struggles Colin had before making music again. This was a beautiful conversation with someone I never expected to reach out and happy they did.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's an honor to have J. Robbins on the podcast. As someone that I've enjoyed his music performances in bands like Jawbox and Burning Airlines, to being a part of some of the most influential albums in my life as a producer/engineer, it was hard to not geek out the entire time. He couldn't have been nicer to talk through his life, influences, and his impression on emo and music making today. Be sure and check out his website JRobbins.net to learn more about the projects he's been a part of and his own music that he's continuing to make. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome back Michael Malarkey. I had him on episode 197 and we're back again to chat about his new music with the group Burial Clouds. Michael, especially on Instagram, is always first to comment on an an obscure screamo band from the 90s. We caught up about some of his fav bands from the 90s ear, what he has to do before every show or play he performs. We talk festivals for a bit and how he handed Jake Bannon from Converge his demo when he was 20 years old. Plus get stoked on Botch and how getting called for movie or tv gigs messes up his show plans.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome again Jeff Caudill from Gameface and his new band called Low Coast. They have an album out right now called Existing the Dream out on Spartan Records. Think Death Cab for Cutie meets Wilco. What was great is that Jeff and I did this in person and was so nice after so many interviews have been done remote. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome Ben Green from Fairweather and Ivakota Recording Studios. Ben and I speak about his time growing up, being exposed to music, forming Fairweather, struggles in the mid 00s, and was really candid about not just the successes but the mistakes the band made. Fairweather has new music that you should check out and enjoy the many stories about Equal Vision Records and someone named Dan, who is the GM over there and a dear friend of Ben and I. Also we get into Ben's 2nd life at his studio as a producer/engineer running Ivakota Recording Studio. A really fun way to end speaking about how he learned things from his band and helping today's bands try not make the same ones. Lastly, we nerd out a bit on metal throughout the episode including a story at the end you won't want to miss. And to celebrate the metal chat, we both made metal playlists on Spotify and those will be linked on Washed Up Emo dot com or below depending on your podcast player. Learn more about Ben at BenGreenSound.com or Ivakota.com Metal Playlists!!! Tom - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/14Fe716gzA4oxGEqJhzLVo?si=1bb7531726a34735 Ben - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6EnEhYn1sW4U4YCbK9N2Hm?si=c8fd59a899ab4c64 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast we welcome Popeye Vogelsang from Farside, Your Favorite Trainwreck, and a new band he's in called Calling Hours. Popeye is most well known for being a guitarist and vocalist of the band Farside, founded in Orange County, California in 1989 and released their records on Revelation Records. Farside played with a ton of hardcore, punk, and emo bands throughout their life. We talk about his musical family, hardcore, his interesting life after full time music by being a well known as a voice actor and much more. Popeye is a legend in the scene and someone I've wanted to have on for a long time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the podcast are the members of Braid talking about their 25th Anniversary and tour for Frame & Canvas. I thought it'd be funny to interview them in order asking similar questions about the album, their feelings on resisting this record, the remixing of the album from J Robbins, and touring. What's amazing is everyone gave different answers and memories. Plus, the secret gem of the episode is worth listening through the whole thing I promise you. I had each person describe the other band members in one word. The answers they give are insightful, sweet, and hilarious. First up is Todd Bell, then Bob Nanna, Chris Broach, then finishing up with Damon Atkinson. What's amazing listening back to these interviews is how different everyone is but how they need a vote of 4 to decide anything as Braid. They're back, ready to rock again. Lastly, please stay for Damon's stories which had me laughing and a great set closer to the episodes. We hadn't spoken before for the pod, so we had a little extra time to chat. This was an absolute blast to do and put together. Thanks to Polyvinyl, Tito and the dudes for being game to have some fun. 

Today on the podcast we welcome Sohrab Habibion from Edsel, Kids for Cash, Obits and SAVAK. Sohrab also filmed a ton of shows back in the day in the DC area and his YouTube channel is full of amazing performances from a time when many shows weren't filmed. We tap about his time in NYC, DC, bands, his musical life that continues to this day.Sohrab's YouTube Channel 

Today on the podcast we welcome Rich Balling from The Sound of Animals Fighting, Hospital Gown, Pyramids, and RX Bandits. Rich and I reconnected recently as we last crossed paths during my days at Equal Vision during The Sound of Animals Fighting release “Lover, the Lord Has Left Us…” back in 2006. Now The Sound of Animals Fighting has a new EP called “APESHIT” out on Born Losers Records. Rich and I discuss his career balancing music, collaboration and his day job. Old shows he saw growing up in LA, plus his amazing knack as a teacher in real life to provide some real knowledge about listening to your heart, your mind, and realities we face as creative people. And yes, we talk emo. It's a podcast about emo. 

Today on the podcast we welcome Melody Caudill. She's the name behind Career Woman, that's currently partnering with the fabulous Lauren Records. You may recognize the last name. Melody is the daughter of Jeff Caudill from Gameface and a new band called Low Coast.All that to say, Melody recently released a song called “Patience (I Like You)” that blew me away. Jeff had been sending me her music since she began writing and I was always intrigued with how a rock star's daughter could go down the same path when most often times they rebel and do something opposite.I threw out the idea to chat with them together. Melody and I kicked Jeff out after about 20 minutes or so and got talk directly about her musical journey, writing process, her wants and dreams. For those listening, Melody is a freshman in college and way the hell ahead of how I was at her age and it was an absolute joy to hear her perspective on things in life and music. She even played Gilman Street in SF recently. Can't get any cooler than that.To learn more about Melody's music search out Career Woman on all the socials or through Lauren Records.

Today on the podcast, we welcome M.C. Taylor of Hiss Golden Messenger and Ex-Ignota. They may have never crossed your path. That's ok. Upon further inspection, a singer songwriter signed to Merge may bring more questions than answers. We met through a post I made on Instagram. I went, why does that name seem familiar. I reached out and after recognizing the name of his old band on Ebullition called Ex-Ignota, which were a hardcore band from the 90s in Goleta/Santa Barbara area. Fittingly, I took a drive up recently to see him perform in Santa Barbara and speak in person for the podcast. MC was insanely generous with his time and even shouted out the podcast to the crowd during the show.You'll hear about how M.C. had house shows that would make anyone yearn for a time machine and a love for the early days of emo that was super deep and I learned a ton from him about his position in the scene and where he is today and how it shaped him. His past may be in hardcore and emo with his pedal full on a now full time career as a musician as Hiss Golden Messenger, which we talk about at length. You can hear it in his songs, there's a little hardcore in em and after this episode it'll be even more clear.

Today on the podcast we welcome Vanessa Downing from Samuel or as they known now as Samuel SC. SC is for State College in Pennsylvania where they got together. Samuel was around for 2 years from 1993-1995 and released a split 7” with Texas is the Reason and releases with Art Monk and others. They're this great moment in that era after the alternative boom and hardcore/emo intermixed. What's amazing is the band members reconnected further during the pandemic and are back with a new album, touring upcoming and a realization that people cared about their old band. Vanessa and I speak about her life and music endeavors that still burn bright today.

Today on the podcast we welcome David Knudson from Botch and Minus the Bear. I was so excited that David said yes to the podcast and we spoke recently after the first set of Botch reunion shows. We talk about being creative, Seattle in the 90s outside of grunge, and his battle with making better choices in life. Including a deep conversation on how alcohol can catch up with you and the lessons he learned from rehab but also his family. This new Botch tour and music wouldn't have happened without love from his family and friends to see this other side. We're the lucky recipients of that but now knowing the struggle and the strength David had during that time was truly inspirational.

Today on the podcast we welcome Jake Brennan. I've wanted Jake on the podcast for years! You may know him from his podcast Disgraceland or as a member of the band Cast Iron Hike. He also started Double Elvis, a podcast network that I'm a part of. So full disclosure, we're partners but that being said, I've probably had Jake on my wishlist since I started the podcast. We get into a lot about intention and what drives creators like Jake and others. He is in such a great place doing something he loves and it came out of intent. We discuss Fugazi, storytelling, origins of why he tells the stories he does and what his favorite sport is. A truly great conversation with Jake on being a creator and you know it, we talked about when he heard the word emo and his thoughts around it.

Today on the podcast we welcome Daniel Littleton from The Hated. Daniel has a whole other band called Ida and that's a whole separate episode. Today, we just stick to The Hated, which has had their catalog meticulously handled by our friends at Numero Group and recently played some reunion shows. The Hated were an early emo band. Daniel goes to great lengths to explain his fascination and frustration with the word but in the end he weaves a tale that talks about his upbringing in a biracial family that shaped his life and also seeing bands like Bad Brains or women in music helped guide where he is today. A true legend and I invite you to sit back and listen, which I do for most of this, on a time and place before the word was even uttered. This one is an absolute trip to listen back to and I hope you enjoy. 

Today on the podcast we welcome back for the 3rd time, Evan Weiss.  Evan and I have spoken two other times, episode 23 (2013) and episode 66 (2016). Today we talk about his new projects, his favorite emo albums of all time, and we look back at the emo revival era with a critical eye. We only had an hour with this busy man, so strap in for a quick one. I'm sure he'll be back sooner than later.https://www.intoitoverit.com/https://www.patreon.com/stormchasersltd

Today on the podcast we welcome Ken Shipley from Numero Group and Tree Records. Many may know Numero Group for their fantastic reissues and they have a show coming up this weekend in LA celebrating 20 years called Numero 20. A very special show with bands we've featured on the podcast the last few weeks and more to come. What we're going to touch on more for this episode is how he got to Numero and his first experiences figuring out the world of record making under the name Tree Records. A fantastic run of releases highlighted by a series called Post Marked Stamps that put many bands we love in the emo genre on the map. A true honor to spend an hour with a person that I look up to professionally.

Today we welcome Ted Leo from Chisel. You may know Ted Leo or Ted Leo and the Pharmacists. Or you're wondering what Ted is doing on the podcast. We're deep in our Numero Group 20 Celebration and if you heard the last episode with John Dugan of Chisel, Ted has a great history in hardcore in the NYC area going to shows at ABC No Rio among others and we talk about those days, his thoughts on emo from DC, the early 2000s scene and how special this upcoming "Set You Free" reissue and shows with Numero Group means to him. Ted was an absolute blast to chat with and you'll wonder where the time went as he weaves stories and moments together that at one point says he's never said in any other interview. A true honor to have a DIY legend on the podcast and couldn't have been happier to have it line up with Numero Group's reissue of “Set You Free” and their upcoming shows.

Today on the podcast we welcome John Dugan from Chisel, which we talk extensively about and they're about to do some reunion shows for Numero Group and reissues for some classic 90s that crossed over into many genres. One that I didn't realize happened that I do a podcast about was emo. This band is really close to my heart too. I found this band through John's younger brother Mike. I met Mike my freshman year on campus after someone on our hall said someone down the hall likes weird music too. The first record Mike played for me was Chisel. We became fast friends and ended up seeing Chisel in 1997 with Karate at a house show in Chapel Hill. Little did we know the band would dissolve soon after that show and that would be the end of it. Years later, I've spoken to John through his various musical endeavors or at family functions when I'd see the Dugans in Northern Virginia. Full circle moment and happy to have John on to talk about Chisel and his many musical band over the years. We touch on his experience with Revolution Summer, Amanda MacKaye recommending he buy an album that went on to change history, his time at the City Paper and the opportunities that Brough about and the post-Nirvana boom of labels trying to sign Chisel. We even talk Fall Out Boy and the renewed interest in Chisel. 

Today on the podcast we welcome Chris Sheppard from Everyone Asked About You. If you're not aware, this band was a late 90s gem of a band that I missed myself during this time. After finding out about them through some friends at Numero Group and talking to Chris, they intersected and overlapped with many of the bands of the time in their home of Little Rock Arkansas.Chris and I talk a lot about where he's from, seeing early emo bands, being in a band with a woman around that time, connecting with Ken Shipley from Tree Records who now runs Numero Group and the subsequent reunion shows and music being available again for the world. Plus we preview the upcoming Numero 20 showcase they're playing in LA next month. Finally, we talk to Chris about his career now that I guarantee you will not want to miss.I have to say, talking to bands I never knew then but connect with instantly continues to affirm my belief in this special time as a genre and as a music scene. This band I would have been obsessed with back in the day. Girl and guy vocals, super dissonant and great peaks and valleys. Heaven.