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Hosts Derek Rishmawy and Brad East are joined by Myles Werntz to discuss his Christianity Today Award of Merit-winning book, Contesting the Body of Christ: Ecclesiology's Revolutionary Century. Rather than systematic argument, Werntz uses narrative case studies examining how diverse Christian communities—from African Pentecostals to Korean Presbyterians—have embodied and contested the classical marks of the church. His starting premise: assume the Holy Spirit is at work in churches confessing Christ, then investigate what's happening. The conversation tackles tough questions about theological boundaries, ecumenical charity, and faithful disagreement when salvation is at stake. — Mere Fidelity is a podcast from Mere Orthodoxy and is listener-supported. If you would like to support this work, become a Mere Orthodoxy Member today at http://mereorthodoxy.com/membership. Get 40% of the Baker Book of the Month, Reading The Psalms As Scripture by James Hamilton and Matthew Damico, by using the promo code MEREFIDELITY at checkout. Get the book here: https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/products/9781683597766_reading-the-psalms-as-scripture — Key Topics Why the 20th century was revolutionary for the church (Vatican II, Pentecostalism, decolonization, ecumenical movement) Contestation as intrinsic to ecclesial life, not a bug but a feature Theological guardrails: the Nicene Creed, Scripture, faith-hope-love Limit cases: when does disagreement become denial of God's work? How to argue faithfully in a non-Roman Catholic ecclesiology Guest Myles Werntz, Professor of Theology at Abilene Christian University A podcast from Mere Orthodoxy
Sharifa Stevens Dr. Beth Felker Jones Why are we Protestant? Have you ever wondered what the differences are? BOW's guest for this episode is Dr. Beth Felker Jones, Professor of Theology at Northern Seminary, sits down with BOW Ministry Team Member Sharifa Stevens to talk about being a Protestant. They discuss how it intersects and differs from other Christian traditions. What are the major beliefs that differ? We so appreciate that Dr. Jones approaches this topic with grace and humility, not with an adversarial attitude. Dr. Jones' Resources Dr. Jones' book Why I Am Protestant Church Blogmatics Substack Bethfelkerjones.com This episode is available on video as well. Timestamps: 00:21 Introductions 01:46 Who is your audience? 04:35 Orthodoxy isn't about thinking right but about a right relationship with God. 08:50 God cannot be caged by a fallible church. 11:31 Why is Scripture alone, Sola Scriptura, such an important Protestant distinction? 16:31 Why is it good that Ecclesiology, the study of the church (the structure, etc.) is not that specific? 21:18 What makes Protestantism good for women? 25:30 The greatest challenge for Protestants today 26:33 What would you say to those who say that Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox aren't Christians? 27:12 Resources TranscriptSharifa >> Hello and welcome to Beyond Ordinary Women Ministry. I am Sharifa Stevens, one of the hosts of Beyond Ordinary Women. And today, I am very excited to talk to Dr. Beth Felker Jones. Dr. Jones. I love saying that, so I'll say that every time. Dr. Jones with a Ph.D. from Duke University, is a midwestern writer and professor of Theology at Northern Seminary. She writes theology and fiction, has published numerous books and writes regularly at her Sub Stack, which is entitled Church Blogmatics. I had to say that slowly. A lifelong book lover, as she writes about relationships, identity and redemption. Dr. Jones' latest book is entitled Why I Am Protestant. And we'll be talking about that book today. You can discover more about Dr. Jones on our website BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org. Welcome, Dr. Jones. Dr. Jones >> Thank you. Delighted to be here with you. Sharifa >> Thank you so much for being here. Let's jump right in, shall we? Dr. Jones >> Yeah. Sharifa >> Okay, so in your book, as you were writing your book, Why I Am Protestant, who did you imagine reading your book as you wrote it? Who are your ideal readers? Dr. Jones >> This is really bad writing advice, but I have trouble imagining my reader and I tend to just write. Really, it's awful. It's awful writing advice. But I suppose I hoped I was writing for other Protestants who might be thinking through both the joys and challenges of being Protestant, as well as for Christians in other traditions who might want to understand something more about the Protestant tradition. So that dual audience to mix it makes it a little bit trickier. Yeah, I just wrote what I was feeling, and that's really what I did. So, yeah. Sharifa >> What prompted you to this feeling? What prompted you to write the book in the first place? Dr. Jones >> Yeah. Well, the book was written by invitation of Intervarsity Press. So really grateful for that invitation. And it's in a little series. There's also a book called Why I'm Roman Catholic, perhaps, by Matthew Levering, and in future, there'll be a Why I Am Orthodox volume. And Intervarsity Press' desire was to have a series here that is clear about conviction from theologians in these different traditions, but is also peaceful and kind and ecumenical. There are some kinds of books like this out there that are more fighting words. Right? And this is intended more as a heartfelt testimony to my own tradition than as a why I'm not these things and those things. So I was grateful to be tapped by IVP to write the book. But I had wanted to write a book like this for a long time because it's the case that I understand...
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In this interview I'm joined by Craig Truglia to discuss his book, The Rise and Fall of the Papacy, in which he goes through the evidence for and against the papacy century by century throughout the first millennium of the church. Over the course of the conversation, we discuss the nature and extent of the Bishop of Rome's role in the early church, whether there was a bishop in Rome during the first century, and much more. Read the Book: https://amzn.to/4pXQJYwCraig's Channel: @OrthodoxChristianTheology Want to support the channel? Here's how!Give monthly: https://patreon.com/gospelsimplicity Make a one-time donation: https://paypal.me/gospelsimplicityBook a meeting: https://calendly.com/gospelsimplicity/meet-with-austinRead my writings: https://austinsuggs.substack.com/Support the show
Dan Mackett, pastor of Del Ray Baptist ChurchEcclesiology (12): Evangelism & DiscipleshipTaught December 14, 2025
In this interview I'm joined by Dr. Richard DeClue, Professor of Theology at the Word on Fire Institute, to discuss Catholic ecclesiology. Specifically, we dive into the idea of eucharistic ecclesiology which looks at ecclesiology through the lens of the eucharist. Along the way, we discuss what implications this has for ecumenism, and how this illuminates why Orthodox churches are considered churches while Protestant churches are "ecclesial communions" according to Catholic teaching. Dr. DeClue's Articles on these Topics: https://archive.stpaulcenter.com/05-nv-12-1-declue/https://www.ect.org/en/article/eucharistic-ecclesiology?previousUri=%2Farticles%3F%23alphabetizedWant to support the channel? Here's how!Give monthly: https://patreon.com/gospelsimplicity Make a one-time donation: https://paypal.me/gospelsimplicityBook a meeting: https://calendly.com/gospelsimplicity/meet-with-austinRead my writings: https://austinsuggs.substack.com/Support the show
Ben Hamilton, pastor of Del Ray Baptist ChurchEcclesiology (11): Serving & GivingTaught December 7, 2025
James Nelson, member of Del Ray Baptist ChurchEcclesiology (10): Corporate WorshipTaught November 30, 2025
We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
"I have to talk to you guys today about something I don't want to talk to you about."
Chris Disch, pastor of Del Ray Baptist ChurchEcclesiology (9): Church DisciplineTaught November 23, 2025
Fr. Harry and Fr. Anthony explore how internet culture, consumerism, and disincarnate “platforms” distort Orthodox teaching and tempt all of us to become unappointed theologians. Drawing on Metropolitan Saba, Thinking Orthodox, St. James 3, and St. John Climacus, they unpack why theology must remain ecclesial, relational, and local—discerned and bounded within the life of the parish and the wider Church. They conclude with a pastoral call for accountability in online ministry and for internet engagement that flows out of real parish life, gratitude for one's bishop and priest, and a deeper commitment to becoming saints together face to face.
Fr. Harry and Fr. Anthony explore how internet culture, consumerism, and disincarnate “platforms” distort Orthodox teaching and tempt all of us to become unappointed theologians. Drawing on Metropolitan Saba, Thinking Orthodox, St. James 3, and St. John Climacus, they unpack why theology must remain ecclesial, relational, and local—discerned and bounded within the life of the parish and the wider Church. They conclude with a pastoral call for accountability in online ministry and for internet engagement that flows out of real parish life, gratitude for one's bishop and priest, and a deeper commitment to becoming saints together face to face.
We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
A new MP3 sermon from Maidenbower Baptist Church is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: Daily Doctrine: Week 47 (Ecclesiology #9) Subtitle: Daily Doctrine's weekly walk Speaker: Jeremy Walker Broadcaster: Maidenbower Baptist Church Event: Teaching Date: 11/20/2025 Length: 38 min.
Cardinal Robert Prevost made history earlier this year, when he became the first American pontiff to lead the Catholic Church. And when he stepped out onto the balcony of St Peter's Basilica as Pope Leo XIV, dressed in traditional papal robes, some conservatives in the church took it as a sign of a symbolic shift away from what they saw as the liberal drift of his predecessor the late Pope Francis. Francis, who had put social justice at the heart of his papacy, divided opinion. Some Catholics praised his stance on issues like same-sex blessings, whilst others claimed that he had abandoned tradition for wokeness. Now six months into his papacy, Pope Leo XIV is also coming under similar scrutiny, he's already been criticized by some Catholics from the Make America Great Again (Maga) movement in the United States for blessing a block of Greenland ice. Whilst on the issue of same-sex blessings, his stated intention is to continue the same course as Pope Francis, that the Church's teaching is not going to change on this issue.But though he may also be advocating diversity, equity and inclusion, Pope Leo XIV may not necessarily be a carbon copy of his predecessor. As he prepares for his first apostolic visit to Turkey and Lebanon, Pope Leo XIV already appears to be charting a more nuanced path, grounded in pastoral instincts rather than divisive politics. So, on The Inquiry this week we're asking, ‘Is the new Pope woke?'Contributors: Dr Massimo Faggioli, Professor in Ecclesiology, Loyola Institute, Trinity College Dublin, Ireland Inés San Martín, Vice President of Communications, The Pontifical Mission Societies, New York, USA Christopher White, Author ‘Pope Leo XIV: Inside the Conclave and the Dawn of New Papacy', Associate Director, Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life, Georgetown University, Washington DC, USA Elise Ann Allen, Senior Correspondent for Crux, Author ‘Leo XIV: Citizen of the World, Missionary of the 21st Century', Rome, Italy Presenter: William Crawley Producer: Jill Collins Researcher: Maeve Schaffer Production Management Assistant: Liam Morrey Technical Producer: Craig Boardman Editor: Tom Bigwood(Photo: Pope Leo XIV at the Vatican in May 2025. Credit: Mondadori Portfolio/Getty Images)
Dave Sutton, pastor of Del Ray Baptist ChurchEcclesiology (8): EldersTaught November 9, 2025
We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
Matt Smethurst, Pastor of River City Baptist Church in Richmond, VA.
A new MP3 sermon from Maidenbower Baptist Church is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: Daily Doctrine: Week 46 (Ecclesiology #8) Subtitle: Daily Doctrine's weekly walk Speaker: Jeremy Walker Broadcaster: Maidenbower Baptist Church Event: Teaching Date: 11/13/2025 Length: 48 min.
We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
A new MP3 sermon from Maidenbower Baptist Church is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: Daily Doctrine: Week 45 (Ecclesiology #7) Subtitle: Daily Doctrine's weekly walk Speaker: Jeremy Walker Broadcaster: Maidenbower Baptist Church Event: Podcast Date: 11/6/2025 Length: 47 min.
Wyatt Griffin, member of Del Ray Baptist Church.Ecclesiology (6): Polity: CongregationalismTaught November 2, 2025
In this episode, Fr. Harry and Fr. Anthony unpack how a truly sacramental worldview means that the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church is concretely instantiated in your particular parish— with its people, culture, limits, and gifts. They caution against importing personal preferences based on previous experiences and monastic or on-line ideals into parish life, urging charity, patience, and attentive listening (their “Kentucky windage”) so that real formation in Christ happens as it should; i.e. through local, embodied relationships
In this episode, Fr. Harry and Fr. Anthony unpack how a truly sacramental worldview means that the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church is concretely instantiated in your particular parish— with its people, culture, limits, and gifts. They caution against importing personal preferences based on previous experiences and monastic or on-line ideals into parish life, urging charity, patience, and attentive listening (their “Kentucky windage”) so that real formation in Christ happens as it should; i.e. through local, embodied relationships
Micah Walters, member of Del Ray Baptist Church.Ecclesiology (Lesson 5): Church MembershipTaught October 26, 2025
We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
Ben Hamilton, pastor of Del Ray Baptist Church.Ecclesiology (Lesson 4): The Marks of the ChurchTaught October 19, 2025
We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
Wyatt Griffin, member of Del Ray Baptist Church.Ecclesiology (Lesson 3): The Attributes of the ChurchTaught October 12, 2025
The word Ecclesiology—from the Greek ekklesia (assembly/church) and logos (word/study)—has been lost, twisted, and misunderstood. Many have been discipled to see the Church through the eyes of a critic, not the heart of a contributor. But to understand Jesus, you have to understand His Bride. In this message, we dive deep into:The Church as the Bride of Christ — Ephesians 5:25-27What it means to be washed by the Word — James 1:22-25Becoming a radiant church filled with His Presence — Psalm 34:5 Living holy and blameless before God — 1 Peter 1:15-16This isn't about a perfect church—it's about a purified one.A people surrendered, sanctified, and united under one name: Jesus. It's time to stop spectating and start sanctifying.Where you see a flaw in the Church is where you're called to sacrifice for it. We don't just attend the Bride—we are the Bride.Let's be radiant together.
Apologies for the blurring at one point...a few technical challenges to overcome this week! We are working through a book of systematic theology called "Daily Doctrine" by Kevin DeYoung (Crossway). We hope that you will join us and engage with the book as we seek to learn more about the God of heaven, and what the knowledge of him means for his pilgrim people upon earth. The whole video series can be found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydzd6kZnPWdDUP1Dj9CIV_hSp42WEeMb&si=ACvRi4lPPuAH1jqx If you are in the UK you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3ZX4ICu or https://www.icmbooks.co.uk/product/38356/Daily-Doctrine-A-One-Year-Guide-to-Systematic-Theology or https://uk.10ofthose.com/product/9781433572852/daily-doctrine-hardback. If you are in the US you can get the book here: https://amzn.to/3VSrTNq or https://www.heritagebooks.org/products/daily-doctrine-deyoung.html. Direct from Crossway: https://www.crossway.org/books/daily-doctrine-hcj/ Logos users: https://www.logos.com/product/299143/daily-doctrine-a-one-year-guide-to-systematic-theology
On todays Show the Gang talks about the complexities of ecclesiology, focusing on church governance and discipleship. James Wilkerson and others debated the merits of top-down versus bottom-up church structures, using examples like the Catholic Church and Baptist Church. They emphasized the importance of comprehensive discipleship, including personal growth, corporate growth, sound doctrine, and comprehensive equipping. The conversation also highlighted the need for structured prayer and Bible study, the role of tithing, and the balance between church structure and individual spiritual growth. They concluded that a spirit-filled approach is crucial for effective church leadership and discipleship. The conversation revolves around the practice of tithing and spiritual disciplines. James Wilkerson discusses the difficulty of calculating his tithe and suggests reviewing his finances annually. Speaker 1 emphasizes the importance of tithing as a spiritual discipline, likening it to other routines that become instinctive with practice. The discussion also touches on the need for training in spiritual practices, similar to how one prepares for marriage or parenthood. Speaker 2 humorously compares the reluctance to accept such training to a military briefing on the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Don't Miss It!
Bryson Thomas, pastor of Del Ray Baptist Church.Ecclesiology (Lesson 2): The Nature of the ChurchTaught October 5, 2025
This episode introduces our series on Orthodox Christian virtue, beginning with the call to authentic masculinity. Fr. Anthony explains that true manhood is humble, courageous, and sacrificial, and can only be formed through living a life in fellowship with others. ------------- Introduction to our Series on Orthodox Christian Virtue Men's Group, Christ the Saviour in Anderson SC Fr. Anthony Perkins, 28 September 2025 Etymological note: the word “virtue” is from the Latin virtus, which means strength, manliness, and moral excellence. The trick is not to redefine moral virtue around fallen concepts of manliness, but to regain the sort of masculinity that is, by its nature, both strong and godly (ie, holy). Why a Series on Orthodox Christian Masculinity? · Men struggle with the development of a proper goal and worldview that would allow them to thrive, specifically as Christian men. · Men increasingly lack sound role models and guides, but there are many influencers who would fill that role for all the wrong reasons and give bad advice. · This combination of high demand and unreliable supply means that everyone suffers; men who are called to be part of the solution to the problem of the world's pain instead increase it. · The Orthodox Church is the fullness of the faith, but has addressed this problem inconsistently (Note on the book “Why Men Hate Going to Church”). It is great to have Orthodox influencers addressing the issue, but this happens at the expense of building the kind of community would and should naturally foster community. Men can watch videos, listen to podcasts (do men even read books anymore?!), and increase their tribal commitment to virtue, but unless they are in the trenches with other men committed to the same goal and part of a system that blesses and supports the goal and its pursuit, this is idle posturing. o This is the problem of superficial mentorship: ideas without connection or skin in the game. (incomplete or bad ecclesiology). It is both gnostic (because it is anti-incarnational) and Protestant (in that each person becomes their own guide, moving to the idea/guru that matches their inclinations rather than joining and submitting to something substantial and real). o The temptation of clericalism. Leaving all teaching and mentoring to the parish priest. (incomplete or bad ecclesiology) o As on the internet, the men who might want to step up and fill this void may not be suited for it because they lack the proper temperament, manner of life, experience, or training. (Self-selection is bad ecclesiology.) Remember Matthew 15:14b on the blind leading the blind. · This is NOT a series that is going to present THE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN UNDERSTANDING OF MASCULINITY ™ so that we can all adjust our minds to its reality. Lord willing, it will teach the right ideas, but that is not how real spiritual formation happens. · It is a series that is part of our effort to create a community of men who not only understand masculine virtue and commit themselves to its achievement, but also one where we train and work towards that standard together. So it includes NOT JUST ideas of manliness but intentionally develops scalable ecclesial institutions that incarnate the living of those ideas through the brotherly support, mentorship, encouragement, and accountability. Your role in the process: commitment to living a life of virtue in community with others. My role in the process and why I am the leader of our local chapter · Long-standing commitment to Christian virtue and all the sacrifices that entails; as well as the many blessings that have followed. · Married thirty-five years. · A respected and decorated leader in the Army, community, and Church. o Retired Military Intelligence Chief Warrant Officer with deployments throughout the world, to include two to Afghanistan. o Three master's decrees: political science, divinity, and special education. o Ordained as a priest in 2007, have been teaching seminary since 2008; and have served in multiple leadership positions in the national church and at seminary. · Trained and experienced in the concepts of teamwork, spiritual development, community, and theology. · A lifetime of experience teaching these concepts and discipling others to teach them in the military, academia, parishes, seminary, and on the internets. If I were into self-promotion or social media, these might get me a following; but the real reason that I am the leader of the process is ontological, that is to say baked into our reality: I am the legitimately and canonically ordained priest assigned by our bishop to the priest – that is to say the “elder” and pastor – of this parish. This would be true even if I had never served in the military, taught at seminary, or enjoyed the benefits of a healthy marriage. It is accepting the fact that we “go to war with the army and leaders we have, not the ones we want” that allows us to get traction in doing the work we are called to do. We might gain a rudimentary understanding of what we are called to do and be as Christian men from our favorite Orthodox influencers on the internet, but if we are more attached to them and their virtual communities than the leaders and community in which we actually live, then we are setting ourselves up for failure. The Church has been perfecting the saints for many centuries without the internet; it is foolishness to jettison that system in favor of one that has not been tested and is known to be skewed towards narcissism and exaggeration. So here are the objectives of this series: · To provide a deeper understanding of Orthodox Christian Masculinity that each of us can defend and commit ourselves to. · To provide tools that will allow us to grow in personal holiness, first by dealing with our fallen “manly” temptations (anger, lust, gluttony, manipulation, and just checking out) and second by the acquisition of a peaceful, confident, and humble spirit. · To provide the tools – and not just the ideas! – to lead our family, communities, and parish. · To develop and intentional community of men, with mentorship, discipleship, and accountability. · That mentorship includes o The expectation that every man will go to confession regularly and schedule meetings with his priest as necessary. We should be going to confession AT LEAST FOUR TIMES A YEAR; the ideal is once a month. o The development of horizontal friendships with other men IN THIS PARISH for encouragement, accountability, and the deepening of Christian love. o Each of us will develop and maintain a relationship with a mentor. You can have more than one mentor, just like you can go to more than one priest for confession, but the point is that salvation is LOCAL. Again, you don't go to war with the army and leaders you want, but with the one we have. The temptation is to Americanize ecclesiology through the internet and to turn the local stable of churches and paraliturgical communities into our very own spiritual buffet. Didn't we say we wanted to give that way of thinking up when we became Orthodox? These mentors are: § [NAME] § [NAME] § [NAME] § [NAME] o Why these? § They are old. Let no man despise your youth, but a healthy culture has a special place and respect for gray beards. Younger men are wonderful spiritual brothers and we should rely on them for such. They can certainly be leaders in other ways, AND it is our job (and especially mine and the mentors) to disciple them so that they are able to do a better job than us when their beards turn gray. This is within the spirit of having age requirements for formal ordination. § They have been committed Orthodox Christians for a while. This is important because it takes time for Orthodoxy to gain traction. No one doubts the novice's commitment, but experience is required for mentorship. Again, this is in line with the spirit of ecclesial norms: Canon Law prohibits the ordination of novices. · Think of it as a kind of apprenticeship, but one where we are all already active life-smiths, but need a good system to help us improve the quality of our work. So what is Orthodox Christian Masculinity? · The way of a man committed to living out his faith humbly, courageously, and sacrificially in service to God, family, and community. o Humble o Courage (confidence) o Sacrificially: DUTY!!! Get up and do something! Reliability. “It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.” —Theodore Roosevelt We are doing great deeds together. To the glory of God and the transformation of the world.. Future classes: Mentors are going to lead. Spiritual discipline and asceticism. How to build a strong and safe home. Financial asceticism. How to protect and serve the weak and vulnerable. In the meantime, commit yourself to being a reliable and godly man. Peaceful and strong. Give up things that distract you and build up habits that will make you better. Lead your family in prayer, lead them in going to church; encourage your friends to be godly and hold them accountable in private when needed, and live the kind of Cross-carrying life that transforms your souls towards perfection and brings peace and joy to those around you.
Doug Erickson, Thomas Lyons, & Luke Geraty are THE VINEYARDISTS and on this podcast episode, we discuss the implications of Kingdom Theology BEYOND Signs & Wonders, Ecclesiology, and the standard topics within the Vineyard. We especially discuss the Sacraments, Spiritual Formation, and a number of other connecting issues. ❇️ Recommended John Wimber Books ❇️ "Power Healing," by John Wimber (https://amzn.to/2HiA3YV) "Power Evangelism,' by John Wimber (https://amzn.to/2TP6Nyd) "Power Points," by John Wimber (https://amzn.to/31NwqSC) "Everyone Gets to Play," by John Wimber (https://amzn.to/2Z4PJdf) "The Way In is the Way On," by John Wimber (https://amzn.to/2ZdiTCg) ❇️ Recommended Books ABOUT John Wimber ❇️ "John Wimber: The Way it Was," by Carol Wimber (https://amzn.to/2HiUFQJ) "Never Trust a Leader Without a Limp: The Wit and Wisdom of John Wimber," by Glenn Schroder (https://amzn.to/3PtHvSM) "Worshiping with the Anaheim Vineyard: The Emergence of Contemporary Worship," by Andy Park, Lester Ruth, & Cindy Rethmeier (https://amzn.to/31TDm0w) "Toronto in Perspective: Papers on the New Charismatic Wave of the 1990s," edited by David Hilborn (https://amzn.to/2L3nIsP) "John Wimber: His Influence & Legacy," edited by David Pytches (https://amzn.to/2ZfgbfC) || FOLLOW US || Website: https://sacramentalcharismatic.substack.com Luke IG: https://instagram.com/lukegeraty Luke Twitter: https://twitter.com/lukegeraty Wes IG: https://www.instagram.com/wesmac5 Wes Twitter: https://twitter.com/wesmac5 SUPPORT US BY SUBSCRIBING AND CONSIDERING BECOMING A PAID SUBSCRIBER!
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