Podcast appearances and mentions of Harold B Lee

Bill and Eric continue the Christmas book series given away by the First Presidency. In the next four days they look at Stand Ye in Holy Places by Harold B. Lee. To see these quotes, visit www.mrm.org/books-employee-gift.

Bill and Eric continue the Christmas book series given away by the First Presidency. In the next four days they look at Stand Ye in Holy Places by Harold B. Lee. To see these quotes, visit www.mrm.org/books-employee-gift.

Bill and Eric continue the Christmas book series given away by the First Presidency. In the second of four days they look at Stand Ye in Holy Places by Harold B. Lee. To see these quotes, visit www.mrm.org/books-employee-gift.

Bill and Eric continue the Christmas book series given away by the First Presidency. In the next four days they look at Stand Ye in Holy Places by Harold B. Lee. To see these quotes, visit www.mrm.org/books-employee-gift.

In the 1960s, Mormon Apostle Hugh B. Brown made significant efforts to lift the priesthood and temple ban for Black members of the church, even speaking with the media about the possibility of change. President Harold B. Lee, however, demanded that Brown stop speaking to the press and removed him from the First Presidency. Lee also forced Brown to sign a statement reaffirming the church's racist doctrines. Join us with historian Matthew Harris as we explore the impact of Brown's release, his faith journey, and insights from Harris's book Second Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality. Purchase Matt Harris' book, Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality Donate to Matt Harris directly for this series with Donorbox _________________________ Mormon Stories Website YouTube Patreon Apple Podcasts MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Insta: @mormstories Tiktok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord

Description Since the introduction of missionary work in 1830, Saints have used a variety of tools and practices to share the good news of the gospel and bring people unto Christ. Some of the most common methods have included standing on a collapsible soapbox, knocking on doors, using flannel and flip charts to illustrate lessons, sharing slideshows and videos, and utilizing a primary guide, like Preach My Gospel, to teach prepared discussions. The recent introduction of social media and the use of smartphones are two of the latest tools reserved for the youth of this generation as they engage in missionary service. President Harold B. Lee taught that “the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ are divine. Nobody changes the principles and [doctrine] of the Church except the Lord by revelation. But methods change as the inspired direction comes to those who preside at a given time.” In this episode Dr. Scott L. Howell, assistant teaching professor of Church history and doctrine, discusses the recent shifts in methodology for the gathering of Israel. He provides insight on how the youth might craft their digital dossiers prior to their service, details safeguards for using technology before, during, and after missionary service, and previews a number of phone apps and Church resources for engaging with the gospel online. In melding traditional and modern approaches, we can further the reach of this marvelous work and wonder.   Publications: ·      “‘Knocking on People's Computers': Missionary Work in the Digital Age” (Religious Educator, 23.3, 2022) ·      “Preparing Missionaries in the Digital Age” (Liahona, February 2023) ·      “Same Purpose, New Approach: A Case Study of the North Dakota Bismarck Mission using Social Media during COVID-19” (BYU ScholarsArchive, Faculty Publications, 6153, 2022) ·      “‘How Beautiful Are the Feet': The Use of Footnotes in General Conference Reports” (Religious Educator, 24.2, 2023) ·      “The Diachronic Usage of Exclamation Marks Across the Major Book of Mormon Editions” (Interpreter, 53, 2022)   Click here to learn more about Scott L. Howell

Join Nate Byrd, Summer-Rayn, Dr. Darron Smith, and John Dehlin as they tackle the uncomfortable truths of Mormon leaders supporting racial segregation. This episode dives into topics like the European origin theory of the lost ten tribes, the discovery of black ancestry in those who appear white, patriarchs' treatment of the “Curse of Cain,” and a shocking statement by Mormon prophet Harold B. Lee about closing BYU rather than admitting black students. Featuring clips from the episodes with historian Matthew Harris. Show Notes YouTube Purchase Matt Harris' book, Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality Donate to Matt Harris directly for this series with Donorbox _________________________ Mormon Stories Website YouTube Patreon Apple Podcasts MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Insta: @mormstories Tiktok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord

The Toscano Excommunications! [Mormonism LIVE: 157] 4:00 Guest Intro 15:00 Courtship & Marriage22:00 Underground documents25:00 Paul serving a mission29:55 Harold B Lee story35:00 Margaret's feminism journey40:15 RFM first hears about the September 643:00 The Mormon Women's Forum

The Toscano Excommunications! [Mormonism LIVE: 157] 4:00 Guest Intro 15:00 Courtship & Marriage 22:00 Underground documents 25:00 Paul serving a mission 29:55 Harold B Lee story 35:00 Margaret's feminism journey 40:15 RFM first hears about the September 6 43:00 The Mormon Women's Forum

The Toscano Excommunications! [Mormonism LIVE: 157] 4:00 Guest Intro 15:00 Courtship & Marriage22:00 Underground documents25:00 Paul serving a mission29:55 Harold B Lee story35:00 Margaret's feminism journey40:15 RFM first hears about the September 643:00 The Mormon Women's Forum

Dr. Andrew Skinner examines the stepladder of faith, virtue, temperance, and charity through 2 Peter and the transformative power in living the teachings of Jesus Christ.Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/new-testament-episodes-41-52/YouTube: https://youtu.be/q0Z4J4BDDXQFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/15G9TTz8yLp0dQyEcBQ8BYPlease rate and review the podcast!00:00 Part II– Dr. Andrew Skinner00:07 Peter reminds of rewards for faithful living01:18 Peter's crucifixion04:08 2 Peter introduction05:15 Harold B. Lee and two missionaries07:38 A stepladder of faith, virtue, temperance, and charity10:26 Charity is at the top of the ladder13:45 Exaltation16:46 Calling and election made sure21:17 Ancient Saints and promised blessings24:18 Jesus's life and works are not fables27:28 Mount of Transfiguration30:15 The one verse with the word “embark”31:33 Rebuking of false teachers37:31 Satan's false promises to Cain38:56 The Second Coming of Jesus43:18 What manner of men and women ought we to be?45:23 Endure to the end in joy48:18 End of Part II– Dr. Andrew SkinnerThanks to the followHIM team:Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignAnnabelle Sorensen: Creative Project ManagerWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

February 13-19 The Sermon on the Mount was called by President Joseph Fielding Smith, “The greatest sermon that was ever preached, so far as we know,” and President Harold B. Lee called it “the constitution for a perfect life”. In this 30-minute podcast, Scot and Maurine Proctor explore the rich meanings behind the Sermon on the Mount that invite us to change the entire way we consider life.

I'm excited to have Newell Bringhurst back on the show. Newell's latest book is the short biography of Harold B Lee. Lee had one of the shortest tenures as LDS Church president, but that belies his lasting influence on the Church. Lee is the one who really implemented correlation in the Church. We'll talk about […]

Harold B. Lee saw himself as an "inexperienced farm boy from a small town in Idaho." In this episode Brian Cannon, a professor of history at Brigham Young University, and Jeff Anderson, an archivist in the Church History Department, join us to share their insights into Harold and the birth of the welfare program.

Bill and Eric take a closer look at the book written by President Harold B. Lee titled Stand Ye in Holy Places and discuss what Lee said about forgiveness. What he wrote might surprise you…or maybe not.

Bill and Eric take a closer look at the book written by President Harold B. Lee titled Stand Ye in Holy Places and discuss what Lee said about forgiveness. What he wrote might surprise you…or maybe not.

Bill and Eric take a closer look at the book written by President Harold B. Lee titled Stand Ye in Holy Places and discuss what Lee said about forgiveness. What he wrote might surprise you…or maybe not.

Bill and Eric take a closer look at the book written by President Harold B. Lee titled Stand Ye in Holy Places and discuss what Lee said about forgiveness. What he wrote might surprise you…or maybe not.

Bill and Eric take a closer look at the book written by President Harold B. Lee titled Stand Ye in Holy Places and discuss what Lee said about forgiveness. What he wrote might surprise you…or maybe not.

Take some time today to consider all the different pieces of the Armor of God. Are you dressed and ready for battle? Check out my new book Renovate Your Testimony: A Guided Workbook to Solidify Your Faith The music for this week's meditation was graciously provided by the talented Addison Kirk. For more of his music (including sheet music!) visit www.addisonkirk.com. References: President M. Russel Ballard said, “There is not one great and grand thing we can do to arm ourselves spiritually. True spiritual power lies in numerous smaller acts woven together in a fabric of spiritual fortification that protects and shields from all evil.” (“Be Strong in the Lord,” Ensign, July 2004, 8) “Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth…” (D&C 27:16) “The best way to obtain truth and wisdom is not to ask it from books, but to go to God in prayer, and obtain divine teaching” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith “gird up your loins” (D&C 27:15) Sharon Eubank said, “Being righteous doesn't mean being perfect...it means developing an inner connection with God, repenting of our sins and mistakes, and freely helping others” (“Turn on your Light” October 2017). “your feet shod with preparation of the gospel of peace which I have sent mine angels to commit unto you.” (D&C 27:16) “Your feet … represent your goals or objectives in life. … Preparedness is the way to victory, and ‘eternal vigilance is the price of safety.' … The tide of victory rests with him who is prepared” (President Harold B. Lee [1899–1973], “Message from the First Presidency,” Ensign, Jan. 1971, 2). ”wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked;” (D&C 27:17) “If we hold aloft the shield of faith in His commandments, His angels will be “round about [us], to bear [us] up” and “have charge over [us]” (“The Seventh Commandment: A Sheild” Neal A. Maxwell). “And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of my Spirit.” (D&C 27:18) “The ‘sword of the Spirit' is the word of God to pierce the darkness so that we may have light and truth to guide our way in life.” (“The Whole Armor of God”)

In this episode, we talk about effort as it applies to the Thought Cycle, but this week we focus on how to apply the concept of effort spiritually in our lives. This has to do with focusing on strengthening our relationship with our Savior, Jesus Christ. Feel free to send us an email with any questions or comments to adifferenceforone@gmail.com -Ezra Taft Benson said that "when we put God first, all other things fall into their proper place or drop out of our lives." https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1988/04/the-great-commandment-love-the-lord?lang=eng -We quoted this talk several times throughout the episode: Joy D. Jones "An Especially Noble Calling" https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/14jones?lang=eng -Brooke Castillo "A Hard Why" https://thelifecoachschool.com/podcast/289/ -Moroni 10:5 and Thessalonians 1:5–6 say that receiving revelation from God comes from the Holy Ghost. -Jean B. Bingham "United in Accomplishing God's Work" https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/34bingham?lang=eng -The quote from President Russell M. Nelson about effort is also from Joy D. Jones's talk "An Especially Noble Calling" https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/14jones?lang=eng -Harold B. Lee said, "Satan's greatest threat today is to destroy the family." https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-harold-b-lee/chapter-20?lang=eng -"The Family: A Proclamation to the World" https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world?lang=eng -Spencer W. Kimball "Families Can Be Eternal" https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1980/10/families-can-be-eternal?lang=eng -Russell M. Nelson "A Plea to My Sisters" https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2015/10/a-plea-to-my-sisters?lang=eng -The quote by Carol Tuttle quote is from her book Remembering Wholeness, p. 295 https://j.b5z.net/i/u/2043363/i/RemWholeness_fin_5B1_5D.pdf --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/adifferenceforone/support

On our fourth episode of TITT Talks, you will get to know the professional side of TITT a little better as we discuss our individual professional journeys that brought us to where we are today.  We also discuss the challenges of being working moms and the experiences we have had re-entering the workforce after our maternity leaves.  It has been a challenge to manage all the demands of parenthood with the ever-changing expectations this pandemic has brought us.  It goes without saying that being a mom is the most important job we hold so we salute all the mothers out there.  “The most important work you will ever do will be within the walls of your own home.” – Harold B. Lee ____________________________________________ ABOUT TITT TALKS TITT Talks was “conceived” in January of 2020 during one of TITT’s many friend/family (“framily”) get-togethers.  In conversation, it came to light that there was a lack of representation of women like TITT in, among other forms of media, the podcast world.  In particular, there was no podcast that TITT could subscribe to that would enable them to feel seen, heard, or understood as modern Asian Pacific American working mothers. The women of TITT Talks knew that this void was one they could fill by sharing their voices and experiences through their casual conversations, which were already taking place on a routine basis. Thank you for the positive feedback we have received since our launch in early June 2020.  We are delighted to hear that we are bringing you content that you can finally relate to as mothers, professionals, millennials, and Asian Pacific Americans. ____________________________________________ CONNECT WITH US  Sign up for our NEWSLETTER – TITT Talks Tea IG: titt_talks FACEBOOK: TITT Talks E-MAIL: TITTtalks@gmail.com YOUTUBE: TITT Talks Podcast  ____________________________________________  WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU  What topics would you like to hear discussed on the show? Click HERE to let us know!

This is our final week of a series focusing on books given away to other general authorities and church employees by the First Presidency between 1981 to 2017. If the First Presidency thought these books were worthy of being reprinted using expensive leather covers and gilded pages, they must be reliable and worthy to be … Continue reading Christmas Book Citations Harold B. Lee Part 3 →

This is our final week of a series focusing on books given away to other general authorities and church employees by the First Presidency between 1981 to 2017. If the First Presidency thought these books were worthy of being reprinted using expensive leather covers and gilded pages, they must be reliable and worthy to be … Continue reading Christmas Book Citations Harold B. Lee Part 1 →

This is our final week of a series focusing on books given away to other general authorities and church employees by the First Presidency between 1981 to 2017. If the First Presidency thought these books were worthy of being reprinted using expensive leather covers and gilded pages, they must be reliable and worthy to be … Continue reading Viewpoint on Mormonism Harold B. Lee Part 2 →

Need a good spiritual lift? This episode is for you! Alma and Harold B. Lee are here today to remind you of exactly who you are and have always been.   Grab today’s wallpaper here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7s47rx1okrrhvas/Episode%2079.png?dl=0 And if you enjoyed today’s confidence boost, check out the Self Confidence Cheat Sheet for Latter-day Saint Girls here: http://www.rubygirl.org/selfconfidenceQuotes referenced: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1974/01/understanding-who-we-are-brings-self-respect?lang=eng

Blogging and parenting CAN happen simultaneously and Karli shares her secrets on the topic: - Don't use your kids as a crutch. Get creative about how to fit blogging tasks into your week and MAKE THEM HAPPEN. - It's helpful to see your kids as helpers as opposed to things that stand in the way of your work. - Tap into the power of intentional planning. - Outsource whenever possible! - Consider having dedicated family time every day. "The most important work you do will be within the walls of your own home." - Harold B. Lee

Thriving at home is a podcast dedicated to all things marriage, parenting and relationships. The goal is to disturb and disrupt the ordinary, mundane life and give you the tools to move from surviving to thriving! Follow us on Instagram at @thrivingathomepodFollow us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/thrivingathomepod Show Notes: "The Most important work you will ever do will be within the walls of your home.”- Harold B. Lee 1.) There can be magic in the mundane. Proverbs 22:6- Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it. "Every Moment Holy" by Douglas Kaine McKelvey 2.) Pace yourself Psalm 73:26 My health may fail, and my spirit may grow weak, but God remains the strength of my heart; he is mine forever. 3.) Your family is your ministry Jesus modeled ministry for us in the Bible…. 4.) Remember to make it a priority

In IT we know that the only constant is change. And for the most part, that's OK. What is difficult is when standards or processes are framed as immutable, and THEN they change. How do we adjust when the company spends $5million on a data center expansion, and then moves everything to the cloud 2 years later? Or when Windows abandons the GUI and goes to CLI, while Cisco moves away from IOS commands and on to GUI and API-driven interfaces? Does our religious/ethical/moral background help (or hinder) us from accepting and adapting to these moments in our work as IT pros? In this episode Kate, Josh, and Leon try to unpack the question and formulate some answers. Listen or read the transcript below. Leon: 00:00 Hey everyone. It's Leon. Before we start this episode, I wanted to let you know about a book I wrote. It's called The Four Questions Every Monitoring Engineer is Asked", and if you like this podcast, you're going to love this book. It combines 30 years of insight into the world of IT with wisdom gleaned from Torah, Talmud, and Passover. You can read more about it including where you can get a digital or print copy over on adatosystems.com. Thanks! Kate: 00:25 Welcome to our podcast where we talk about the interesting, frustrating and inspiring experience we have as people with strongly held religious views working in corporate IT. We're not here to preach or teach you our religion (or lack thereof). We're here to explore ways we make our career as IT professionals mesh - or at least not conflict - with our religious life. This is Technically Religious. Leon: 00:49 Last week, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints made an announcement which sent shock waves through the Mormon community and tremors throughout many other religious communities as well. We'll get into the details about that in a minute. But it caused us here at Technically Religious to think about how supposedly immutable truths, whether we're talking about replacing Latin with English during mass or Microsoft's adoption of open source, affect us and how we deal with those changes. Joining the conversation today is Kate Asaff Kate: 01:17 Hello. Leon: 01:18 And Josh Biggley. Josh: 01:20 Yeah, it's still cold in Canada! Leon: 01:23 and I'm Leon Adato and it's slightly warmer here in Cleveland. So Josh, do us a favor and run us down just the main points of the announcement from last week. Josh: 01:34 Sure. So this announcement was made in early April, and in order to understand it, we have to go all the way back to November, 2015, and maybe even a little further. So the Organization of the Mormon Church, or the LDS church, or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is such that it's a top down organization. So the President, or prophet, of the church, he makes a declaration, often he has to get his two counselors and the other 12 men that sit on the quorum of the 12 apostles. And then those 15 men make these proclamations. So in November of 2015, the church released a policy internally, that was leaked, and then they had to address it publicly, that said that any child who had parents who were of the same gender, so you're in a same sex-relationship or a same-gender relationship or if you are trans-gendered - first, they were now labeled apostates. And that's really heavy language within any religious community. There's one thing to have transgressed, but there's another thing to be considered an apostate. And then in addition to them being an apostate, they also said that no child whose primary residence was with those same sex couples could receive any ordinances within the church. So that spans the entire gamut of: You could not be blessed as an infant within the church; to: you couldn't be baptized; to: if you were in the church - there are certain things that you that you undertake within Mormonism, you know, if you're a boy at the age of 12 (and now the age of 11) you can receive the priesthood - just things that you can't do, many of those rites of passage. So last week, and of course we're recording this in the early days of April, so last week the church came out and said, "Hey, that policy that was put into place in November of 2015? We're going to change that policy. And we're going to make it so that now if you are the child of an LGBTQ family, you can be baptized as an infant, you can be blessed within the church, under the understanding that of course the church is going to reach out to you and, throughout your lifetime because you are now officially a member of the church, once you're, once you're blessed and in the LDS church. That's a huge change because leadership within the church and members at large - admittedly myself prior to my transition away from Mormonism - defended that policy with a couple of talking points. First and foremost that the prophet, he specifies what is the will of God. He speaks for God. He's God's mouthpiece on earth. And second that this was an act of kindness, because we didn't want to - as a church - we didn't want to have people, with their children attending the Mormon church where the Mormon church was teaching that their parents were apostates. And then having to go home to their parents and say, "Hey mom and dad...", sorry... I got... hey, look at that. "Hey Mom and mom, dad and dad." Or "Hey, mom and dad, you know, dad and dad or mom and mom. You're an apostate." Or "You know, we think that you should be excommunicated." And all those horrible things that go along with that. So yeah, that's um, that was huge. I was pretty... I'll admit I was pretty pissed off on Thursday. Not because I disagree with the change that children should be allowed to join whatever church they want to regardless of their parents. I was just pissed off because lots of people put a lot of time and effort into setting aside their personal views and trying to make it so that they align with what they were being told from the top of the church. And then the church went, "Hey, by the way, we're going to change." Leon: 05:36 Right. And you'd actually mentioned in an earlier episode when we talked about opposing as you follow, you said that that was one of the things that caused you and your family to move away from the Mormon church for a while. And then you came back and you suffered censure and a bunch of other things for those views. So you directly experienced some of that just for expressing an opinion. Josh: 05:58 Yeah. And that actually goes back pretty far in my marriage. That goes back probably 15 years ago when that particular experience happened. I mean, just to give some context and then, and I know that we want to talk about this as a foundation for IT. And I think there's a great parallel. And Leon, thanks for calling it out. Harold B. Lee, who was the president of the church from July of 1972 until his death in December of 1973, he said this: "You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself, with patience and faith, the promise is that 'the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name's glory." So, you know, pretty powerful language from the LDS church. Fortunately in IT, apart from Mac users, right Kate? Nobody thinks that their salvation from any of their other platforms. Leon: 07:09 I think actually, yeah, there is actually a Mac airbook that blocks the gates of hell. Kate: 07:14 It's actually an iPad. Leon: 07:18 Oh, of course. It would be. And that, with making a little bit of lighthearted humor is where I actually want to go, which is the IT aspects of that. But before we dig too far into that can we think - the three of us - can we think of any other analogs in religions that may have been that same kind of thing? Again, I'm not talking about the fact that things change. I'm talking about things that were supposedly immutable, or somewhat permanent, and then the group, the organization sort of pivoted away from it. And, and I brought up one which was the change from the Catholic mass from Latin to English, which you know, happened I think in the seventies, if I remember correctly? I could be wrong because I don't pay very much attention to that kind of stuff. But I remember that it caused quite a bit of a stir, Josh: 08:13 Yeah, the ordination of women in the United Methodist Church, which happened well before I was born back in the mid fifties is an interesting one. Again, linking it to Mormonism. A woman named Kate Kelly founded an organization called Ordain Women. She's a lawyer and an activist and she was excommunicated by the LDS church in June, 2014. So everyone kind of waits for the day in which women will be ordained within the Mormon church or within the the LDS church. I don't know if it's going to happen, but we certainly see that adopted. And that's a huge thing, right? Because traditionally, you know, as far back as tradition goes religions tended to be very patriarchal. Where, you know, men were the heads, the household, they were the heads of the church. And so for the United Methodist to allow women to be ordained officially, even though it had been doing it for a long time, unofficially. That was huge. Kate: 09:04 It kinda reminds me in the 90's when the Catholic Church decided to start allowing girls to be altar servers. I remember there was a cardinal in Boston who had saw these girls serving and before the proclamation came from the Vatican, the story I heard was that he told the congregation, "Get these girls out of here." He didn't want to see them serving and that it was something, obviously 20 years later it has stuck with me Leon: 09:34 With religion you have things that really are dogmatic. Sometimes we throw that word around somewhat flippantly but religion actually is dogmatic. It has, you know, strictures or rules that are, at least in the eyes of it, internally immutable. And so you've got that. But pivoting to the IT piece, I want to talk a little bit about, about that. What are some of those changes? It's not going to change and then it does and you have to suddenly cope with it. What are some of the ones that we've either heard about or experienced ourselves? Kate: 10:08 Well since you guys were poking fun of me a little bit earlier as being a devoted Apple fan girl I will bring up the 2006 when Apple changed from Motorola to Intel processors. That was a huge thing for the Apple community and you know, many of us had spent years structuring these complex arguments as to why RISC processors are better than CISC processors and you know, insisting that megahertz and gigahertz aren't true measures of processing power. And then all of a sudden, like everything for us was just blown away overnight. Now Macs were Intel based and we kind of had to let go of, you know, our are sworn allegiance to the Motorola chipset. Leon: 10:56 That's, I'm going to say funny, not funny ha ha, but I just had, I would never have expected that to be overwhelming to a community. But I can see that the way that you describe it, I can absolutely understand that you had an emotional investment in a particular hardware standard. Josh: 11:16 Yeah. Well, I think that functional workspace, right? You know, Kate, you talked about defending the position of you know, RISC processors. That's why it's good. That's why it's the thing that makes Apple as awesome as it is. And we all go through that. You know, I've been in the industry long enough that I remember walking into data centers and seeing literally big metal, there were mainframes sitting on the data center floor. The idea that we would virtualize? It blew people's minds and I was like, I thought that was a great idea. Let's virtualize, let's get density. I will admit to being a little slower to adopt a shift to cloud because it, it put in place some barriers to entry for me. When I started my career, I loved the idea of networking, although I'm not a networking engineer, but I loved the idea that you could plug in cables and lights would start blinking and things just work. You know, there was, there was a command line and I actually, I had a reputation for asking questions in class, like "How do you do that from the command line?" But it got beaten out of me. I was that guy. But it got beaten out of me because Windows was the thing, Windows and at the time, a Netware were the platforms for for server managers and that's where I was headed. We've made this swing to having to code, and I don't code, but everything is code now. Networking is code, storage code, servers are code, everything is code. I'm made a very firm stance early in my career that I didn't want to code because I wasn't good at it. I'm still not good at it. I feel like I'm fumbling with 14 hands tied behind my back. I don't know what the analogy is. I just feel dumb. I feel like I'm the guy smashing his face on his keyboard trying to make things work anytime I code. So I get it. Those shifts are hard, and they're not hard because we don't, I don't want to accept the shift to cloud. It's hard because it makes me address other deficiencies in myself that I don't know that I'm 100% ready to address. Speaker 1: 13:24 And I think that that's actually a good point is that the change, the changes themselves may not be so troublesome, but they address either inadequacies or perceived inadequacies in ourselves and we don't like that. We don't always like to have a mirror held up to it. Sometimes I think it's not that though. So given a quintessential example, and I think many of us in IT have experienced this, where on Monday the business says, "Hey, you know, this event is occurring," whether it's a merger or an acquisition or whatever it is, "but don't worry, nothing's going to change for you. Everything's going to be just fine." And then Friday, metaphorically, they say, "Oh, by the way, we're shutting down the location" or "You're being let go" or you know, "We're moving this entire department to merge with this other department" or whatever it is. And, whether it happens in days or weeks or months, "You first told me nothing was going to change. And then it did." And that's the part that I think a lot of us have a hard time coping with. Don't tell me that it's not going to change when you know full well that it is. Enough times in business, things change and everyone says, oh yeah, we had no way of knowing that was going to happen. Those changes are unpredictable and so you just deal with them. But when it's clearly predictable, that's the part I think that is more difficult for us in IT to deal with. And I think that's the whole point of vendors offering what's known as LTS, Long Term Support, for something, like "We promise we're not going to pull the rug out from under you for x years." Josh: 15:09 I want to make sure that we understand or at least that we agree that IT is not religion. Religion is not IT. There's certainly some overlap and are dogmatic beliefs on both sides of of the row. But I tweeted earlier today and I'm going to read it, "A gentle reminder that you are more than your nationality, favorite sports team, political party, or religious ideology. Be more than the sum of your parts. Be better than your weakest part. Be human." And I think that that applies to IT as well. You might have been the person who was responsible for gateway computers, probably cause you liked cows. I don't know. Just because that is what you've always done doesn't mean it's what you always need to do. You are more than capable of transitioning and learning something new. And a coworker of mine, Zach, if you're listening, shout out, he will, he will admit that I am not a great scripter, but I'm also more than capable of being taught how to be an okay scripter, you know? Under his tutelage, I've become kind of useful with powershell and I have even remotely built some shell scripts recently. So it's possible you can be something more than what you thought you always were. And that is really a beautiful thing, both in IT and in humanity. Leon: 16:31 And I've written about that in the past. And I probably will again in response to this podcast about that's actually not what you are. You might be, you know, a Cisco IOS command line jockey. You might be, you know, you might know everything there is to know about the Apple platform, whatever it is, but that's not actually what makes you a great IT professional. What makes you a great IT professional is your sensibilities. The fact that you understand how networking works, how hardware reacts with software, how architecture and design and you know an idea converts itself and moves through the pipeline into an actual product. Those are the things that make you a great IT practitioner and those things will persist even when the foundational platform - software or hardware - change. But again, just to drive it back again, the point is that, you know, we know things change, but when we are told something is not going to change and then it does, what do we do about that? So my question does our perspective, our outlook, whether it's religious or philosophical, whether it's moral or ethical, does that make it easier or harder to deal with? Kinds of events that you know, we promise it won't change it than it does. On the one hand, I could see someone saying that if you are heavily religious, you come from a strongly dogmatic frame of view, then you carry with you baggage of what "forever" means. And when a vendor or my employer says "It's never going to change, we are standardizing on x," and then they change. That can feel like a betrayal because I brought along, "No, no wait, you said the f word, "forever", so you know that means something to me and you just broke your promise." That could be much harder than somebody who might not have, like I said, that baggage coming along with it. I don't know what, what's your take on that? Kate: 18:36 We talked about this a little bit before, but what I found was interesting about that question was that as an atheist, I obviously have a somewhat fluid view of, you know, how the world works and how things are. I am also, technology-wise the quintessential early adopter. I'm the first day that it's available. I will consume it, upgraded, download it, in any way that I can get the new stuff. I'm on board. Josh: 19:03 So I think that that makes you Kate an IT relativist. There's this great thing within Mormonism about moral relativism and how it's such a bad thing, which that is a whole different discussion, but I think that the very best IT practitioners are those who can balance a bit of that. Conservativis... can't say that word... Conservativism plus that moral relativism within IT that you see the changes, you're willing to bring them in, but you do it in a way that requires that you parse them through your personal and your community experience and then say, "Yes, that's something we actually want to bring in to our enterprise. We're willing to adopt it." You need to know about it so that you can also say to someone who has read a shiny brochure or seen a vendor pitch about how amazing a product is and say, "Nope actually that's not something that we want to do and here's why." And being able to speak to a multitude of points. I think makes us great IT practitioners, if you are just that sole sourced individual who only knows about one technology, you're going to find yourself in some IT challenges. I've got a great friend, who coincidentally is also ex Mormon and his name is also Josh. Interesting point. It's interesting for me to listen to him talk about his challenges within his career. He's a great DBA. He is actually not just a DBA, but he designs databases and he's worked on a bunch of different areas and he has really struggled because he thinks that he's only in that data space. And I want to say to him, "Hey Josh," which is a little weird cause I'm calling my name, "Hey Josh, you need to understand that you're better than what you think that you are because first, you're willing to look at your career and figure out the parts that are really useful for you and you know where your weaknesses are." That, for me, is the big part. Are we willing to look at what we're doing today and understand both its strengths and weaknesses and then leverage the strengths and minimize the weaknesses by adopting other technologies? It would be kind of like me saying, "Hey, Mormonism is still really awesome," - which I do think. There are some wonderful things about Mormonism, but I also am willing to adopt some ideologies from Judaism. Thank you Leon. And I'm also willing and very open to adopting that moral relativism that comes along with atheism and other non traditional religious beliefs." Leon: 21:36 I definitely think, Kate, that we have a new topic idea on the horizon, which is whether or not being staunchly religious makes you more or less likely to be an early adopter of technology. I think as an IT person, I really want to solve that problem because I like new technology and I would hate to think that I'm predisposed as an Orthodox Jew to like not want to do the things. Of course I could be an outlier. I could. So Josh, to your point, I think that that IT is not like religion in the sense that no matter how strongly a vendor or an organization says that something is never going to change, it's gonna. Right? Yeah. I mean we just know that that's the nature of IT, is that things are going to change and probably sooner rather than later when you look at the long game. However, I think one of the things that makes this issue, you know - "It's not going to change," and then it does - similar in both religious and IT contexts is what we as people hope and expect from that event. Which is, I think, that whoever's making the change needs to be transparent about it. I think they need to be intellectually honest about it. And they need to be consistent about it. And what I mean by those things is that they need to say that "This change is happening. We saw it coming, even if we couldn't tell you at the time, but we're telling you now that we knew it was coming. We just had to," you know, whatever it was, the merger was coming, but we couldn't say anything because blah, blah, blah, legal, blah, blah, blah, Wall Street, whatever. Right? Um, it needs to be intellectually honest. We're doing this because it supports our brand values. It supports our corporate goals. It, you know, whatever. And it needs to be consistent. And I think most of all, if people were hurt by that first statement, this is the way it is. "This is the way it's always going to be." And then it changes. And people were hurt. You know, an example that happened a couple of jobs back for me: $5 million investment in a data center, building it out, putting tons of hardware in there, and then they moved to the cloud. What are you kidding me? Like, we just bought all this stuff and the company did say, "We know we hired a lot of you for your depth expertise in on-premises data center operations. And now we're asking, you - we're in fact demanding - that you move to a cloud based model. We know that some of you are going to be upset by this. Some of you may want to leave. We're going to support you in whatever decision you make, but this is the direction we're going. That kind of statement makes it a lot easier to accept the, "We never will... Oops. We are" kind of thing. And I think just to tie it back to our opening topic. I would hope, although I'm not in the community, but I would hope that a statement is made to the families that were hurt within the Mormon community for, you know, the years of being called, you know, apostates and all that stuff, and say "We're really sorry about this and we're going to do what we can to make it better." I would hope that that statement would be forthcoming. I guess time is going to tell. Josh: 24:55 Time will absolutely will. Unfortunately Mormonism does not have a history of apologizing. The unfortunate reality of some of the current leadership has come out specifically and said that the church does not ask for, nor does it offer apologies. Kate: 25:12 A long, long time ago I worked for MCI Worldcom and, if you recall, it is now Verizon business. It was sold to Verizon about 18 months after the CEO promised all of the employees that he was not looking to sell the company. MCI is also a huge company. It had definitely been in the works. So your comment about honesty really struck home with me. Nobody likes to be blindsided by change, but even more, nobody likes to be lied to about it. Josh: 25:45 Thanks for making time for us this week. To hear more of Technically Religious, visit our website, technicallyreligious.com, where you can find our other episodes, leave us ideas for future discussions and connect with us on social media. Kate: 25:59 To paraphrase and old Greek guy, "the only constant in IT is change."

The Sermon on the Mount was called by President Joseph Fielding Smith, “The greatest sermon that was ever preached, so far as we know,” and President Harold B. Lee called it “the constitution for a perfect life”. It tells us not just what to do but gives us the much more exacting standard and describes how we should be.

Despite several attempts to end the ban in the 1960s, Hugh B. Brown made one final attempt in 1969 and almost succeeded.  However, the attempt was nixed by Harold B. Lee. Dr. Matt Harris will give us more information on this, and I think you will hear some really amazing stuff in this next episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k7cPGtZwHU&t Matt:  Anyway, the McKay sons and Brown, when Taggart's thesis comes out, they will use Taggart's research and say, “Look.  This is just a policy.  This is a policy, it is not a doctrine.  So, if it is just a policy, President McKay, then we can overturn this.”  President McKay agrees to ordain a black man named Monroe Fleming, a loyal member at the Hotel Utah.  This is in September of 1969. GT:  Wow. Matt:  Yes, yes.  So, he agrees to ordain Monroe Fleming to the priesthood.  It is interesting, the document that I have that talks about this.  It just says Monroe Fleming.  It doesn't say all persons of African ancestry.  But you can only imagine that if you allow Monroe Fleming the priesthood, based upon his worthiness of course, then that means that other worthy black members of the church can now hold the priesthood.  That's how I interpret that. ... [McKay] agrees to do it, and when Harold B. Lee and Joseph Fielding Smith, mostly Harold B. Lee, because Joseph Fielding Smith is now in his 90s, and his health is getting the best of him.  But when Harold B. Lee finds out about it, he puts an end to it and says, “This is not something that we can do, and if we do it, it has to have buy-in from the Quorum of the Twelve, the full quorum.” So, President McKay, and I'm going to paraphrase, he says, “I'm too old to fight him.  I'm not going to do it.  We will let President Lee worry about this problem.”  That's what he says, this “problem.” We will also talk briefly about some of the BYU protests where other teams were protesting the church's stance with blacks and the priesthood and temple ban. Matt:  President Brown wants to lift the ban to get the athletic protests off their back.  In November of '69 he tells Kenneth Pitzer the Stanford President.  He calls him up.  He said, “This is Hugh Brown of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  I just want you to know, we are going to lift the ban.” GT:  He calls the Stanford University president. Matt:  Yes, he calls the Stanford president and tells him we are going to lift the ban, and even writes him a letter. GT:  The reason why is because Stanford had just cancelled some sort of a series. Matt:  Correct. GT:  Was it football or basketball?  Do you remember? Matt:  Basketball, I think it was basketball.  It was that fall, they cancelled their contract with BYU basketball. Lee strongly rejected attempts for black ordination [paypal-donation] Check out our other conversations with Matt, like Brown's previous attempts to end the ban.  Check out our conversation….

The Utah State Historical Society, Ms. Naoma Tate, Buffalo Bill Center of the West, and others invite you to celebrate the spirit of the American West through art, movies and events. KSL NewsRadio's Doug Wright talks to Jim D'Arc, curator of the Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young University about the free film series.  The films will be shown on third Thursdays at 7:00 p.m., January – June 2018, at the Fort Douglas Post Theater (245 S Fort Douglas Blvd). See a list of all screenings. January 18, 2018, Buffalo Bill (1944) February 15, 2018, Ramona (1928) March 15, 2018, Ramrod (1947) April 19, 2018, Wagon Master (1950) May 17, 2018, Brigham Young (1940) June 21, 2018, Westward the Women (1951) The series focuses on Utah’s storied landscapes and how classic Hollywood films used them to create an ideal, imagined American West. Dr. James V. D’Arc, a retired BYU motion picture curator and professor of film, will offer a brief lecture before each screening and lead a post-viewing discussion.

In this week’s show, our guest is Trevan Hatch. He is the Ancient Scripture/Studies, World Religions, & Philosophy Specialist in the Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young University. Trevan earned a B.A. at Brigham Young University (history), an M.A. at Baltimore Hebrew University / Towson University (Jewish studies: Jewish origins), a PhD at Louisiana State University (sociology of religion: Judaism and Islam), and is currently pursuing a Master’s degrees at the University of Kentucky (library & information science) and a doctorate at the Spertus Institute in Chicago (Jewish studies: Jewish origins). He also studied at two universities in Israel: Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the University of the Holy Land. Trevan has taught multiple college courses relating to religion and contemporary society including, family dynamics, ethics and values, early Judaism, western religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), and Doctrine and Covenants. His research involves the study of religion vis-à-vis “lived experience,” contemporary Jewish and Muslim family life, early Judaism and Christianity, the history of biblical interpretation in Mormonism, and attitudes on Jews & Judaism in Latter-day Saint history. Recently the Church of the Latter-day Saints has been in the focus of much media attention. It started with Mitt Romney’s run for president and it has been an obsession of the creators of Southpark to malign the Mormon Church in both television and Broadway. Mr. Hatch dispels misconceptions about the members of the Mormon Church and explains their doctrine including Angeology, prophethood, their genealogical research and the revelations of Joseph Smith.

Join Lindsay as she interviews John Hatch from Signature Books about the lives and wives of Lorenzo Snow. Links and texts mentioned in this podcast: Signature Books Juanita Brooks lecture Harold B. Lee Library info on Lorenzo Snow Chronological history of Lorenzo Snow Solemn Covenant: The Mormon Polygamous Passage by B. Carmon Hardy Brian Hales’ […]

Simon Usherwood, King's College, looks at brexit in the UK. Meg Frost, BYU, shares the Curious Remedies collection at the Harold B. Lee Library. Utah Valley Neonatology's Erick Gerday explains the NeoLife Ventilator. University of Texas' David Yeager on how teens cope with social stress. Pieter Dorrestein, Skaggs School of Pharmacy, reveals the secrets your smartphone holds. Texas Tech University's Nikhil Dhurandhar on the childhood obesity epidemic.

Daily Devotion: Many times people are scared to start the business or to write that book because they're fearful of the small, humble beginnings. Every huge, successful business, at one time, started small, too.  Don't be afraid to start small- Just START! James 4:10, "Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up in honor." Stay true in the dark and humble in the spotlight.-Harold B. Lee     Stolen Lunches is a bible study community of believers.  We hold men, women, and couples bible studies.  We have annual retreats, missions trips and weekly prayer calls.  You can join us from anywhere in the world.  Sign up for our newsletters & stay connected.   Steal away with us and be fed by God~ Stolen Lunches. 

Rachel Waldman-Levinson from the Brennan Center talks about police video policies. Lynne Vieraitis from the University of Texas, Dallas, explains why kids tag with graffiti. Harold B. Lee Library's Richard Hacken talks about banned books week. Sam Payne joins us for The Apple Seed. Ibrahim Sirkeci of Regent's University and Jeffrey Cohen from the Ohio State University explain the Turkish brain drain. University of Texas, Austin professor Jennifer Glass on why US Parents are less happy.

We know where we came from, we know why we're here, and we know where we're going. It's all part of the Great Plan of Happiness! And while this grand plan is for everyone, we each have our own individual missions and purposes we've been sent here to do. President Harold B. Lee said, "Many were chosen, as was Abraham, before they were born, as the Lord told Moses and also Jeremiah. This was made still more meaningful by the Latter-day Prophet, Joseph Smith, who declared, 'I believe that every person who is called to do an important work in the kingdom of God, was called to that work and foreordained to that work before the world was'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1973, 6; or Ensign, Jan. 1974, 5).Listen

By: Gudger, E. W. (Eugene Willis), 1866-1956Publication Details: New York :New York Zoological Society,1915.Contributed By: Harold B. Lee Library (archive.org)