That Annuity Show

In this episode of That Annuity Show, host Paul Tyler welcomes Roger Kahlon, Vice President and Head of Consulting at Zinnia, to discuss key takeaways from the recent IRI Annual Conference. They explore the industry's digital transformation journey, including the Digital First initiative, the growing importance of Contingent Deferred Annuities (CDAs), and the need for standardization and collaboration to expand the marketplace. Roger shares valuable insights on how carriers can overcome transformation challenges and better serve wealth management firms, providing expert perspective on the future of annuities in an increasingly digital landscape. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com 

In this episode of That Annuity Show, we welcome Bill Bengen, the creator of the 4% rule, to discuss the evolution of retirement planning strategies. Bill shares insights into the origins of the 4% rule, its mechanics, and how it has been adapted in his upcoming book. The conversation delves into the eight essential elements of a comprehensive retirement withdrawal plan, the impact of inflation and market valuation on withdrawal rates, and the role of annuities in retirement income. Bill provides insight on the benefits of maximizing income while managing risks and provides case studies to illustrate effective retirement planning. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com 

Philip Chao, a leading voice in the 401(k) space shares his sharp focus on creating guaranteed retirement income. The conversation explores Philip's background, his companies, and the evolving landscape of annuities within retirement plans. Key themes include the role of fiduciaries, the integration of annuities into target date funds, and the future of guaranteed income products in the retirement market. In this conversation, Philip Chao discusses the evolution and importance of Target Date Funds and Qualified Default Investment Alternatives (QDIAs) in retirement planning. He emphasizes the need for personalized solutions that consider individual data rather than relying solely on averages.  The discussion also highlights the significance of engagement in retirement planning, the challenges of behavioral finance, and how guaranteed income can help ensure financial security in retirement. Chao advocates for transparency and education in financial services to empower individuals in their retirement decisions. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com 

Today, we welcome Ben Faught, Chief Actuary at Oceanview Life. The conversation delves into the success story of Oceanview Life, its unique investment strategies focusing on mortgage-backed securities, and the challenges and considerations in pricing annuities. Ben shares insights on market trends, the importance of understanding asset-liability matching, and the future of fixed index annuities in a changing economic landscape. The discussion emphasizes the role of actuaries in advocating for clients and ensuring sustainable business practices. Learn more at our website, thatannuityshow.com

Tom Totten, an actuary and serial entrepreneur, shares his journey from a defined benefit consultant to advising companies on Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs). The conversation delves into the intricacies of ESOPs, their guarantees, and the liquidity risks associated with them. Tom discusses the purpose of lifetime income strategies, including the use of annuities, and reflects on the evolving relationship between employers and employees in the context of retirement planning. In this conversation, the speakers discuss the benefits of including lifetime income solutions in retirement planning, emphasizing the role of the workplace in providing these solutions. They explore the challenges of communicating the value of lifetime income to pre-retirees and retirees, the impact of technology on retirement planning, and the benefits of diversification in investment strategies. The discussion also touches on the potential of ESOPs as a means of wealth creation for employees and the evolving landscape of retirement planning in light of alternative investments.

Jeff Affronti, president and CEO of FSD Financial Services joins our show to delve into the current landscape of annuities, focusing on market trends, the importance of annuity laddering, and strategies for younger investors. Jeff shares insights on using MYGAs for retirement income, the impact of inflation on annuities, and the latest product features and innovations in the industry. The discussion also touches on the risks associated with life-only annuities and the potential for entering the MYGA market.

In this episode, Paul Tyler, Ramsey Smith, and Graham Clark discuss the emerging opportunities in in-plan annuities inside 401k plans. They explore the importance of guaranteed income, the skills needed for insurance carriers to compete effectively, and the strategic partnerships necessary for success. The conversation delves into product design, the role of target date funds, and the significance of being proactive in a rapidly evolving market. The speakers emphasize the need for carriers to take leadership roles and adapt to changing market conditions to ensure long-term viability and profitability. Learn more: thatannuityshow.com 

Paul Tyler and Bruno Caron welcome Deloitte's Insurance Practice leader Dan McCoach to discuss how technology is reshaping the life and annuity industry.  The conversation explores four practical applications of AI delivering immediate value: automating developer workflows, enhancing back-office efficiency, streamlining document processing, and drafting complex communications. McCoach offers a fascinating perspective on how AI tools are rescuing legacy systems just as subject matter experts reach retirement age. Looking ahead, McCoach discusses DeepSeek's disruptive impact on AI economics and warns that quantum computing's arrival within 5-8 years could compromise current encryption standards. Whether you're an industry insider or technology enthusiast, this episode delivers essential insights on the digital revolution transforming insurance.

In this episode of That Annuity Show, Paul Tyler and Chief Investment Officer, David Czerniecki of Nassau discuss the current economic landscape, focusing on tariffs, inflation, cryptocurrency, and the impact of AI on productivity. They explore the volatility of markets compared to the economy, the implications of tariffs on manufacturing and inflation, and the speculative nature of Bitcoin. The conversation also delves into the future of AI and its potential to enhance productivity, as well as investment strategies in a changing market environment. Learn more at  

Ramsey Smith and Graham Clark share insights on the challenges of securing retirement income, the importance of 401k plans, and the need for effective stakeholder engagement. They explore how ALEXIncome aims to provide sustainable solutions that bridge the gap between traditional retirement income sources and modern investment strategies, emphasizing the significance of education and transparency for plan participants. This conversation delves into the complexities of retirement planning, focusing on the importance of guaranteed income, the impact of market disruptions on investment strategies, and the role of technology and innovative products in enhancing financial security for retirees. The discussion highlights the need for a shift in how retirement funds are managed, emphasizing the benefits of annuities and the potential of blockchain technology in simplifying processes.

Summary In this episode of That Annuity Show, Paul Tyler interviews Toby Leonard, Assistant Vice President of Product Development at Security Benefit. They discuss the evolution of annuities, particularly fixed index annuities, and their role in financial planning. The conversation highlights the importance of education, technology, and the impact of AI on the insurance industry. They also explore market trends, predictions for annuity sales, and the significance of annuities in the RIA space. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com 

Karen Monks, a principal analyst at Celent, discusses the intersection of technology and life insurance. Karen shares her insights on how AI is transforming underwriting processes, the impact of COVID on consumer behavior, and the driving forces behind technology adoption in the insurance industry. The conversation also explores the challenges of integrating legacy systems with modern technology, the importance of consumer experience, and the skills needed for future success in the industry.

In this episode of That Annuity Show, hosts Paul Tyler and Bruno Caron welcome Jim Ryan, Executive Director and Head of Distribution at Oceanview, to discuss the company's growth since its 2019 launch. Jim shares insights into how Oceanview has established itself in the annuity market. The conversation explores the evolution of both MYGA and FIA products, the critical importance of technological integration across multiple platforms, and why keeping products simple can be a key to success. The conversation emphasizes simplicity, technology investment, and focus on efficiency to help adapt to market changes. Listen for Jim's optimistic outlook for incremental industry growth in the coming years. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com  

Katherine Dease, the Chief Technology and Innovation Officer for Insured Retirement Institute (IRI) discusses the future of annuities and how the Digital First Initiative could accelerate growth. With special guest host, Michael Celi, Chief Product Officer of Zinnia, Katherine shares insights on the challenges of modernizing the annuity industry, particularly the data problems that hinder innovation. The conversation highlights the importance of user experience, the role of annuities in holistic financial planning, and the need for collaboration among industry players. They also touch on regulatory considerations and the metrics for measuring success in the initiative, emphasizing the call for industry participation to drive meaningful change. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com

In this episode industry leaders Sheryl Moore, Wink Inc., and Michele Trogni, CEO of Zinnia, a guest host, explore the evolving landscape of insurance and annuities, from digital transformation challenges to opportunities for growth. The discussion weaves together Moore's journey from personal investment challenges to becoming the "Annuity Rockstar" with Trogni's vision for technological innovation in the industry. They address the delicate balance between digital innovation and traditional agent-led sales while highlighting how technology can enhance consumer understanding and product accessibility.  Learn more: thatannuityshow.com

In this episode, Paul Tyler and Bruno Caron catch up with Joe Jordan, a leading voice in purpose-driven planning, to discuss the evolving landscape of retirement. They explore the importance of finding meaning and purpose in retirement, the challenges posed by an aging population, and the emotional aspects of retirement that financial advisors often overlook. The conversation emphasizes the need for a holistic approach to retirement planning that includes community, relationships, and personal fulfillment. More about how Books:        

In this episode, Paul Tyler and Bruno Caron welcome back Arun Muralidhar, co-founder of Alpha Engine Global Investment Solutions, to explore "SeLFIES" (Standard of Living Indexed, Forward-starting, Income-only Securities), an innovative retirement solution he developed with Nobel laureate Robert Merton. Arun delves into Brazil's successful implementation of “SeLFIES”, which has attracted 105,000 investors and raised $2.8 billion since January 2023. The conversation highlights an approach to retirement planning that focuses on guaranteed monthly income rather than wealth accumulation, addresses the potential shortcomings of current retirement statements and target date funds, and explores potential implementations in other countries like India and the UK. Arun also discusses complementary innovations such as education bonds and using QR codes for retirement contributions, while emphasizing how these instruments could help address gender equity in retirement savings. For those interested in learning more about this groundbreaking approach to retirement security, Arun can be followed on LinkedIn:  Listen to the full episode: thatannuityshow.com

In this episode, host Paul Tyler broadcasts from Noida, India, where he visits Zinnia's offices and speaks with their leadership team including Josh Everett (CEO of Zinnia India), Kapil Bhardwaj (Head of Global Processing), Pawan Choudhary (CTO), Rajan Agarwal (Head of Exchange Solutions), and Eti Gupta (Head of Marketing). Key highlights: Zinnia's India operations manage an impressive 1.4 million calls annually and handle over 55% of North America's variable annuity business, reflecting their critical role in the company's global strategy. Once viewed as a back-office function, India's operations have transformed into a Global Innovation Center (GIC), driving innovation and strategic growth. This shift leverages India's diverse talent pool across key cities: Bangalore stands out as a hub for AI and tech innovation, Chennai excels in engineering and operational capabilities, and Delhi/NCR is renowned for its deep insurance expertise and skilled knowledge workers. The conversation focuses on how insurance companies need to evolve, with key recommendations to: Embrace transparency in operations Simplify complex processes Be bold in adopting new technologies Stay adaptable to changing trends Focus on building partnerships rather than vendor relationships The episode provides insights into how insurance companies can leverage India's talent and technology capabilities to transform their operations and improve customer experience.

In this episode of That Annuity Show, Paul Tyler and Tisa Rabun-Marshall engage with Kerra Bolton, a prolific writer and independent journalist, who shares her diverse career journey and insights into the retirement space. The conversation explores the challenges of career reinvention, the importance of understanding consumer concerns in retirement planning, and the role of fear and motivation in financial decision-making. Kerra emphasizes the significance of finding purpose in life and work, and how one's purpose can evolve over time. The episode provides valuable takeaways for financial professionals and agents on how to connect with clients and address their concerns effectively. Listen to learn more: thatannuityshow.com   Learn more about Kerra:  

In this episode, Paul Tyler and David Czerniecki, Chief Investment Officer for Nassau, discuss the rapidly changing economic landscape, touching on global political trends, the implications of tariffs, market predictions, energy dynamics influenced by AI, and the impact of interest rates on the insurance industry. They explore how these factors interconnect and shape the future of the economy, emphasizing a cautious optimism moving forward.  

Susan Winkler of CT IFS joins Paul Tyler as a guest host to discuss their interviews from InsureTech Connect (ITC) in Las Vegas. The podcast explores the critical intersection of climate risk and insurtech innovation, featuring conversations recorded during the conference. The episode includes insights from Stacey Brown of InsurTech Hartford discussing industry AI adoption trends; Sabine VanderLinden of Alchemy Crew examining climate risk and its impact on retirement planning; Tom Polowy of InsureGo addressing personal lines challenges in the Connecticut market; Travis Grassel from the Iowa Department of Insurance providing regulatory perspectives; and Vilas Shah of Infosys sharing sustainability initiatives and innovation budget trends for 2025.  

In this episode of That Annuity Show, host Paul Tyler, along with guests Bruno Caron and Tisa Rabun-Marshall, engage in a comprehensive discussion with retirement planning expert Suzanne Norman. They explore the complexities of retirement planning, including the emotional landscape retirees face, the importance of financial literacy, and the concept of 'Peak 65' as a significant demographic shift. The conversation emphasizes the need for purpose in retirement, the role of financial advisors, and the emotional aspects of financial decision-making, particularly concerning longevity and healthcare costs. The episode concludes with insights on how to better engage clients in meaningful financial conversations. Links mentioned in the show: RISE Score  and .  (great for FPs and consumers).  with a lot of education materials. Also, regarding the cognitive/financial topic, here are links to Chris Heye's Institute papers:

Susan Winkler of CT IFS joins Paul Tyler as a guest host to discuss their interviews from InsureTech Connect (ITC) in Las Vegas. The podcast captures conversations with key industry leaders about AI innovation in the life and annuity sector, recorded during the conference. The episode features interviews with Nagesh Cherukupalli from Cognizant, who introduces the "Three I's" framework for AI implementation; Neeraja Rasmussen of SpyGlaz AI discussing sales optimization; Kumar Das Gupta from Allianz Life sharing carrier perspectives on AI investments; John Keddy from Lazarus exploring the concept of AI as a "Digital Coworker"; and Brent Williams of Benekiva providing market validation with concrete implementation metrics. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com 

In this episode of That Annuity Show, Paul Tyler, Bruno Caron, and Ramsey Smith discuss the importance of reaching more people in the annuity industry with their products. They are joined by Sri Reddy, Sri Reddy, senior vice president of Retirement and Income Solutions at Principal® and a Principal Securities Registered Representative, who shares insights on retirement income solutions, pension risk transfer, and the evolving landscape of defined benefit plans. The conversation delves into consumer behavior regarding annuities, the rise of registered indexed linked annuities (RILAs), and strategies to address longevity risk. Sri also highlights the role of research from the Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI) in understanding retirement behaviors and outcomes. Learn more: thatannuityshow.com    Important Information: Principal Custody Solutions assets under administration (AUA) were nearly $1 trillion as of December 31, 2023. Before investing in registered index-linked annuities, investors should carefully consider the investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses of the contract and underlying investment options. This and other information is contained in the free prospectus which can be obtained from your local representative or online at principal.com. Please read the prospectus and, if available, the summary prospectus carefully before investing.  Investment and insurance products are: · Not Insured by the FDIC or Any Federal Government Agency · Not a Deposit or Other Obligation of, or Guaranteed by Principal Bank or Any Bank Affiliate · Subject to Investment Risks, Including Possible Loss of the Principal Amount Invested  Registered Index Linked Annuities do not directly participate in any stock, equity investments or index. It is not possible to invest directly in an index.  Investing involves risk, including the possible loss of principal. 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Today, Mike Odor, Head of Annuity Sales at Midland National Life Insurance Company and Branislav Nikolic, Managing Director, Head of Insurance at The Index Standard join us to talk about a new approach to guiding agents on how to think about recommending FIA index strategy allocations. They share insights on how the Index Standard is helping to streamline the decision-making process for agents and consumers. The conversation covers the evolution of FIA products, the importance of trust in index selection, and the need for tailored strategies based on client personas. The conversation focuses on the significance of feedback in product development and the balance between providing enough information without overwhelming users. Listen to learn more: thatannuityshow.com 

Join host Paul Tyler and annuity professional Sheryl J. Moore for an illuminating discussion on the transformation of the annuity market. From innovative product design to illustration challenges, Moore shares invaluable insights on making annuities more accessible to consumers. With co-hosts Tisa Rabun-Marshall and Bruno Caron. Chapters:  0:00 - Introduction  5:13 - Current State of Annuity Market  13:54 - Monte Carlo Analysis in Retirement Planning  20:05 - Product Innovation and Complexity  24:05 - Future of Illustrations  30:19 - 2025 Industry Predictions Notable Quotes:  "When I started working in life insurance 25 years ago... they were describing that soon we would have electronic signatures and straight-through processing. And here we are 25 years later, and people are still struggling with it." - Sheryl J. Moore "I've been working on rebranding annuities for 20 years. Just trying to make it so that it's not the naughty stepchild of financial services." - Sheryl J. Moore  

In this enlightening episode, GBU Life's Chief Marketing Officer Lesley Mann and Wealth2K founder David Macchia discuss innovative approaches to retirement planning. They introduce the concept of a "defined benefit investor" and explore how new annuity products can provide guaranteed income for younger generations. The conversation delves into the challenges of modernizing the insurance industry, the importance of digital experiences, and the need to adapt products for changing demographics, particularly women. Mann and Macchia offer insights into creating personalized “pension plans” and the future of retirement security in America. Google's LM Notebook podcast hosts pay a surprise visit to the show. Learn more at thatannuityshow.com

Summary In this episode of That Annuity Show, Paul Tyler introduces a new chapter for the podcast, featuring co-hosts Tisa Rabun-Marshall, Bruno Caron, and Michael Celi, Chief Product Officer for Zinnia. The discussion revolves around the evolution of the insurance industry, particularly focusing on product design, innovation, and the importance of understanding consumer needs. Jan Buchbaum, Chief Product Officer for Nassau Financial Group shares insights from his journey in the insurance sector and highlights the entrepreneurial mindset at Nassau. The conversation delves into the challenges and opportunities in creating guaranteed income solutions, the shifting goals of retirement planning, and the role of technology in enabling growth within the industry. Predictions for the future of annuities and the importance of collaboration in driving innovation are also discussed. Learn more: https://thatannuityshow.com  

In this episode of The Annuity Show, Paul Tyler, Ramsey Smith, and Tisa Rabun-Marshall interview Justin Wee and Jayant Walia from Gainbridge Insurance, A Group 1001 Company. They discuss the innovative approach of Gainbridge, a financial collective of companies focused on insurance products. Gainbridge aims to reach underserved markets, particularly tech-savvy and younger individuals, by providing accessible and transparent annuity products. They emphasize the importance of education and trust-building in the annuity market, as well as the need for a multi-channel approach to reach different demographics. The conversation also touches on the role of human interaction in the digital customer journey and the future model for selling annuities. The conversation explores the role of technology and APIs in the direct-to-consumer (D2C) annuity market. The guests discuss the current model of agent-stalled policies and the potential for technology to provide direct access to consumers. They highlight the importance of technology in providing tools for individuals to research and make financial decisions. The guests also discuss the evolving D2C model and the challenges of designing user-friendly products and experiences. They emphasize the benefits of APIs in reducing friction, cost, and security risks in the annuity application and servicing processes. Listen to learn more: Annuities issued by Gainbridge Life Insurance Company, Zionsville, Indiana. Products and/or features may not be available in all states. All guarantees based on the financial strength and claims paying ability of the issuing insurance company.  The views expressed by [Narrators] do not necessarily reflect the views of Gainbridge®. Each entity is responsible for their own content.  This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended to provide, and should not be interpreted as individualized investment, legal or tax advice. To obtain such advice, please consult with an appropriate professional.   

In this episode, Paul Tyler interviews David Czerniecki, Nassau's Chief Investment Officer, and discusses the impact of interest rates, AI, presidential elections, and global conflicts on the insurance industry and the global economy. They talk about the expectations of interest rate cuts by the Fed and the implications for the insurance industry. They also discuss the potential bubble in AI stocks and the long-term impact of presidential elections on the economy. Additionally, they touch on the economic toll of global conflicts and the changing dynamics of world trade. Takeaways The Fed is expected to cut interest rates, which will have implications for the insurance industry. The AI industry may be experiencing a bubble, but the long-term impact is uncertain. Presidential elections have a limited short-term impact on the economy, but long-term savings habits outweigh political changes. Global conflicts have a relatively small economic impact, but the changing dynamics of world trade are significant. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Discussion of Interest Rates 07:32 The Volatility and Potential Overvaluation of the AI Market 10:29 Presidential Elections: Long-Term Economic Impact vs Short-Term Rhetoric 14:19 Global Conflicts: Limited Economic Impact on Global GDP 17:47 Changing Dynamics of World Trade: Rise of Nationalism and Economic Competition 18:45 tas-closing.mp4

In this episode of That Annuity Show, the hosts discuss the latest headlines in Retiretech and interview Michael Kalen, the CEO of Covr. They explore the impact of technology on retirement planning, the role of annuities in financial planning, and the changing landscape of the industry. They also touch on the influence of regulation and the potential for AI in the future. The conversation highlights the importance of data, transparency, and innovation in solving the retirement income problem. Takeaways Retiretech is a growing field that focuses on developing technologies and solutions specifically for retirement planning. Annuities have become a preferred product solution for retirement income, and carriers are shifting their focus from product to solution. Technology, such as AI and data-driven tools, is playing a significant role in improving decision-making and enhancing the retirement planning process. Regulation, such as the SECURE Act and the DOL rule, has had an impact on the retirement industry, driving better disclosure and best interest standards. The industry is experiencing change and innovation, with new products, solutions, mergers, and acquisitions shaping the Retiretech landscape. The integration of technology, data, and transparency is crucial in solving the retirement income problem and providing better outcomes for clients. Learn more:  

In this episode of That Annuity Show, the discussion revolves around the evolving landscape of workplace marketing for brokers, producers, and advisors in the insurance industry. The guests, Ash Rofail, Yuval Sternshos, and David Cohen, the management team of OneKonnect, discuss the role of technology, data, and AI in improving the user experience, optimizing benefits, and increasing sales in the insurance industry. They highlight the importance of automation, data monitoring, and predictive analytics in identifying life-changing events and offering relevant products to customers. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced by carriers in implementing technological changes and the need for a mindset shift towards focusing on existing clients. Takeaways Technology, data, and AI are playing a crucial role in improving the user experience and optimizing benefits in the insurance industry. Automation and data monitoring can help identify life-changing events and offer relevant products to customers at the right time. Carriers need to overcome challenges such as siloed data and legacy systems to implement technological changes and provide better insights to producers and brokers. The focus should shift towards existing clients, offering better well-being solutions, educational tools, and personalized recommendations. Adoption of technology is essential for brokers, producers, and advisors to stay competitive and provide a seamless experience to their customers. Listen to this and more episodes at  

In this episode of That Annuity Show, hosts Paul Tyler, Ramsey Smith, and Bruno Caron interview Sheryl J. Moore, Chief Storyteller of Wink, Inc. and author of a new book on indexed annuities. The discussion covers various aspects of the annuity industry, including product complexity, consumer education, and common misconceptions about annuities. Sheryl shares her personal experiences and insights, offering a unique perspective on the challenges and opportunities in the annuity market. Topics: Introduction and Sheryl's Background (00:00 - 05:07) Sheryl's journey in the insurance industry Personal experience with 401(k) losses Annuity Product Complexity (05:07 - 15:38) Proliferation of index options in annuities Challenges for consumers and agents Illustration and Performance Issues (15:38 - 23:52) Backcasting and unrealistic performance illustrations Balancing simplicity and flexibility in product design Consumer Education and Misconceptions (23:52 - 34:42) Common myths about annuities Importance of accurate information for consumers Future of Annuities and Closing Thoughts (34:42 - 37:45) Sheryl's new book and its impact Final messages about annuities and retirement planning

In this episode of That Annuity Show, the hosts are joined by Arun Muralidhar, an expert in retirement security. Arun shares his journey and insights into the retirement industry, including his fight against the privatization of pensions and the need for guaranteed retirement income. He introduces the concept of Selfies (Standard of Living, Indexed, Forward Starting, Income Only Securities), a bond-like instrument that provides a steady stream of cash flows in retirement. Arun discusses the benefits of Selfies, such as marketability, inheritability, and flexibility, and explains how they can be funded by the government. He also addresses the risk pooling aspect and the potential for insurance companies to offer annuities based on Selfies. The conversation explores the concept of Selfies (Standard of Living Indexed, Forward-starting Income-only Securities) as a solution for retirement income. Selfies are a financial instrument that provides guaranteed real retirement income by hedging longevity risk. The government can issue Selfies, which are backed by cohorts, to allow insurance companies to offer guaranteed retirement income. The current retirement products in the market, such as annuities and target date funds, are complex, making them unattractive to individuals. Selfies simplify the retirement income process by allowing individuals to determine their desired retirement lifestyle and receive cash flows based on that. Takeaways Arun Muralidhar fought against the privatization of pensions and advocates for guaranteed retirement income. Selfies (Standard of Living, Indexed, Forward Starting, Income Only Securities) are bond-like instruments that provide a steady stream of cash flows in retirement. Selfies offer marketability, inheritability, and flexibility, allowing individuals to make decisions based on their financial conditions and life events. The government can fund Selfies by replacing existing debt with this instrument, providing a low-risk option for retirement savings. Insurance companies can potentially offer annuities based on Selfies, leveraging risk pooling and diversification. Selfies are a financial instrument that provides guaranteed real retirement income by hedging longevity risk. The government can issue Selfies, which are backed by cohorts, to allow insurance companies to offer guaranteed retirement income. Current retirement products in the market, such as annuities and target date funds, are complex, making them unattractive to individuals. Selfies simplify the retirement income process by allowing individuals to determine their desired retirement lifestyle and receive cash flows based on that. Subscribe and tune in for a new episode every Friday: www.thatannuityshow.com    

Join us as we revisit a panel discussion from Retiretech Vegas, April 2024: When should retirement planning start? How should the experience change not only for Baby Boomers but for Millenials, Gen Z, and Gen Y? We will talk about innovations in product and engagement that will change how the process occurs in the future. Moderator: Jonathan Kalman, EOS Ventures Speakers: Alison Susko, Asset–Map; David Macchia, Wealth2K; Farooq Sheikh, Unqork; Sri Reddy, Principal Financial Group Learn more about Retiretech by visiting www.imagine.nfg.com

Join us as we revisit a panel discussion from Retiretech Vegas, April 2024 Seeking Stable Growth - Designing The Next Generation of Annuities  In the past decade, interest in fixed-indexed annuities has surged, grabbing a substantial market share. With ongoing innovation in indices and shifts in the macroeconomic landscape, various crediting strategies have emerged. Looking ahead to 2024, amidst persistent high rates and market volatility, what transformations can we expect in our products? And, crucially, how should advisors adapt their recommendations to navigate this dynamic landscape? Moderator: Branislav Nikolic, The Index Standard Speakers: Bobby Samuelson, Life Innovators; Tamiko Toland, Toland Consulting; Jason Fichtner, Alliance for Lifetime Income Learn more about Retiretech:  

In this episode, Paul Tyler, Tisa Rabun-Marshall, Laura Dinan Haber, and Heather Brown discuss the challenges and opportunities of implementing AI in the insurance industry. They highlight the importance of making digital marketing expertise accessible for agents and the need for customized content at scale. The team shares their experiences with generative AI and the feedback they have received from agents. They also discuss the challenges of keeping up with the rapidly changing technology landscape and the need for continuous testing and learning. The episode concludes with predictions on the future adoption of AI in the industry.   Takeaways Making digital marketing expertise accessible for agents is crucial in the insurance industry. Customized content at scale is in high demand. The rapidly changing technology landscape poses challenges in keeping up and requires continuous testing and learning. The adoption of AI in the insurance industry is expected to increase in the future.    

Summary   In this episode, Emma Roloff, co-founder of Roloff Consulting, discusses the power of personal branding and digital transformation in sales and marketing. She shares a three-step framework for digital growth strategies: educate, connect, and consult. Emma explains the different platforms and their target demographics, including LinkedIn for professionals, Facebook for older demographics, Instagram for a median age group, and TikTok for a wide range of age groups. She also emphasizes the importance of organic growth and personal branding in building trust and authority. In this conversation, Ema Roloff discusses the importance of authenticity and finding one's content pillars. She emphasizes the need for individuals to understand who they are and what they are passionate about in order to create meaningful content. Ema also addresses the challenges faced by those stuck in the 'rinse cycle' of IT projects and offers advice for both individuals and executives. Additionally, she provides content creation suggestions for Bruno Caron and Tisa Rabun-Marshall based on their unique backgrounds and interests.   Takeaways Personal branding is essential for building trust and authority in sales and marketing.The three-step framework for digital growth strategies is educate, connect, and consult. Different platforms have different target demographics, such as LinkedIn for professionals, Facebook for older demographics, Instagram for a median age group, and TikTok for a wide range of age groups. Organic growth and creating content that resonates with your target audience are key to success. Investing in your personal brand and focusing on educating your audience can lead to more organic growth. Creating content pillars and organizing your content around them can help you show up consistently and provide value to your audience. Authenticity is key in content creation. It is important to understand who you are and what you are passionate about in order to create meaningful content. Individuals stuck in the 'rinse cycle' of IT projects should focus on understanding the reasons behind the current situation and finding ways to add clarity or impact their skill set to initiate change. Executives should listen to their teams and understand the challenges they face. Building digital literacy and setting realistic expectations are crucial for effective leadership. Community involvement can be a valuable content pillar. Sharing experiences and supporting organizations can make a positive impact and attract a wider audience.  

Summary In this episode of That Annuity Show, Jim Kerley discusses his report titled 'Shifting Distribution, Changing Mindset: Why Advisors Aren't Talking to Consumers About Life Insurance.' The report explores the reasons why some advisors are not discussing life insurance with their clients and the implications for the industry. Kerley's report emphasizes that there is a demand for life insurance, with 102 million people in the US being underinsured or without insurance. The problem lies in the lack of conversation between advisors and consumers. Kerley suggests that changing the insurance mindset of advisors and making life insurance a part of their portfolio can help address this issue. Takeaways There is a demand for life insurance, with 102 million people in the US being underinsured or without insurance. The problem lies in the lack of conversation between advisors and consumers about life insurance. Changing the insurance mindset of advisors and making life insurance a part of their investment portfolio can help address the issue. Technology, such as AI, can play a role in making the conversation about life insurance easier and more efficient. Education and awareness about the benefits of life insurance are crucial in increasing demand and closing the protection gap.

Join us as we revisit a panel from Retiretech Vegas 2024:  Consolidation has permanently changed the face of independent distribution forever. Or has it? We will explore the next phase of consolidation and new forms of distribution that may potentially evolve. Moderator: James Wong, Partners Advantage Speakers: Patrick Kelly, Signal Advisors; Tyler End, Retirable; Wes Severin, Symetra; Brian Lucius, Gradient Financial Group

In this episode of That Annuity Show, Paul Tyler and David Czerniecki are joined by John Beshoory to discuss the energy sector and the impact of technology on the economy. They explore the fundamental changes happening in the energy sector, such as the shift towards renewable energy sources like solar and wind. They also discuss the role of technology, particularly AI, in driving energy consumption and its potential impact on productivity. The conversation touches on topics like inflation, the impact of politics on the economy, and the future of the energy sector in terms of dividends and growth. Takeaways The energy sector is undergoing fundamental changes, with a shift towards renewable energy sources like solar and wind. Technology, particularly AI, is driving energy consumption, especially in data centers, and is expected to have a significant impact on productivity. Inflation remains a concern, and the economy is likely to experience ups and downs as the Federal Reserve tackles the issue. The outcome of the presidential election and political dynamics will play a role in shaping the economy, but the impact may vary depending on the balance of power. Dividend investing in the energy sector is still in the early stages, with more focus on growth opportunities. Key indicators to watch for the state of the economy include inflation, the job market, consumer confidence, consumer spending, and household debt.  

Merging the worlds of investment and income planning is no small challenge. Mark Shemtob, Fellow of the Society of Actuaries and CFP does this every day with his clients. Mark approaches retirement income from three perspectives: as an actuary, working with individuals, and working with retirement plans. He emphasizes the importance of diversification and the combination of investments and annuities. Mark explains that for most people, it is almost always better to have some guarantee of income in retirement. He also discusses the challenges of getting the investment world and the insurance world to mix and suggests that record keepers could play a role in offering retirement income options. Mark advocates for a centralized solution where people can collect their retirement savings and receive advice on how to best utilize those funds. Takeaways Diversification is key in retirement income planning, and a combination of investments and annuities can provide a balanced approach. For most people, having some guarantee of income in retirement is better than relying solely on investments. The challenge lies in getting the investment world and the insurance world to work together, but record keepers could play a role in offering retirement income options. There is a need for a centralized solution where people can collect their retirement savings and receive unbiased advice on how to best utilize those funds.    

In this episode, Paul Tyler, Bruno Caron, and Ramsey Smith interview Alex Khassa, CEO and founder of Clients Black Box, Inc., about his success in helping financial advisors get more clients virtually using Facebook ads. Alex shares his backstory and how he transitioned from being a fractional CMO to focusing on helping financial advisors. He explains his unique approach to Facebook ads and the importance of creating multiple variations of ads to find what works best. Alex also emphasizes the need for collaboration with clients and the importance of focusing on the right target audience. He discusses the conversion rates and average case sizes his clients experience and offers advice for advisors with smaller budgets who want to generate customers online. The episode concludes with a discussion on the challenges faced by direct-to-consumer companies and the key factors that contribute to Alex's success. Connect with Alex: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alaakhassa/

In this episode of That Annuity Show, the hosts discuss the use of AI in financial advisory services with guest Jens Nordvig, CEO of Exante Data and co-founder and CEO of Market Reader. Nordvig explains how Market Reader uses AI to generate real-time market insights and explanations for various assets and events. The tool scans multiple sources, including news wires and social media, with the goal of providing concise and accurate explanations of market movements. The hosts explore the potential applications of AI in the insurance & financial industry, such as creating customized newsletters, improving portfolio performance analysis, and enhancing risk management.

Today's episode is a special keynote recorded at RetiretechTM Vegas on April 9, 2024, where host Paul Tyler welcomes Michele Trogni, CEO of Zinnia, to discuss the transformative impact of technology on the life annuity and health business. Trogni highlights how technology is bringing transparency, simplification, standardization, and productivity to the industry, revolutionizing the retirement sector. The discussion covers the importance of embedded distribution, enabling advisors to service clients efficiently and provide a seamless experience. Trogni emphasizes the need for companies to focus on outcomes and embrace data-driven decision-making to drive productivity and growth. The episode also explores the challenges and opportunities in adopting new technologies, with insights into leveraging AI, enhancing call center operations, and selecting strategic partnerships. Throughout the conversation, the focus remains on simplifying insurance processes, enhancing customer experiences, and driving industry growth through technological innovation. Learn more about RetiretechTM by visiting: Watch the full interview:  

Join hosts Paul Tyler, Tisa Rabun-Marshall, Bruno Caron, Ramsey Smith, and guest Graham Clark from Alex Income as they delve into the pivotal role annuities can play in retirement planning. Learn more about ALEX.fyi: and ALEXIncome: Connect with Ramsey Smith, Founder and CEO:   Connect with Graham Clark, Partner and Head of Product:   Tune in to the full episode catalogue:  

In this episode, we delve into the dynamic landscape of annuities and retirement markets, exploring the promising opportunities of 2024 amidst the evolving Retiretech scene. Join moderator Doug Roth of CT Innovations and industry experts Ray Jang from Primetime Partners, Marie-Christine Razaire representing Northwestern Mutual Future Ventures, and Andrew Wegrzyn of SixThirty Ventures as they discuss strategies for making smart bets on the future of retirement. Discover insights on navigating the shifting sands of valuation resets and uncover the untapped potential that lies within the annuity and broader retirement markets. Gain exclusive access to expert predictions on which opportunities are primed for success in 2024 and which ventures are poised to attract funding. Subscribe now to unlock valuable insights and actionable strategies:   This episode was recorded live at Retiretech Vegas in April 2024. Click to watch the full panel: 

In this episode of That Annuity Show, recorded live at RetiretechTM Vegas, we delve into the dynamic interplay between technology, regulation, and innovation within the insurance industry. Our panelists, including Commissioners Andrew Mais from Connecticut, Nathan Houdek from Wisconsin, Kathleen Birrane from Maryland, and Troy Downing from Montana, along with moderator George Esposito of Zinnia, lead a discussion on the pivotal role of artificial intelligence (AI) in reshaping the landscape of insurance. Throughout the conversation, they stress the crucial balance between fostering innovation and maintaining regulatory oversight to uphold fair treatment of policyholders. With a keen eye on the potential risks associated with AI and machine learning, the panelists underscored the importance of financial literacy and ongoing consumer education initiatives. As the dialogue unfolds, technological advancements in insurance distribution emerge as a central theme, highlighting the transformative potential of AI-driven solutions. The panelists emphasized the need for collaboration among regulators, industry stakeholders, and consumers to navigate this evolving terrain effectively. Tune in as we explore the nuanced dynamics of insurance regulation and technology, offering insights into how industry players can adapt and thrive in an ever-changing landscape. Learn more about RetiretechTM at Watch the full panel: Insuring Tomorrow: Navigating the Regulatory Environment of the AI and Tech Revolution, 

On April 8-10, we held our third RetiretechTM event...this time in Las Vegas. Joe Jordan joined us as a keynote speaker. The next day, we caught up with him in the expo hall of RetiretechTM Las Vegas and talked to him more about the future of purpose-driven retirement planning. Learn more: https://imagine.nfg.com/retiretech-2024/

Tamiko Toland and Michael Finke join us today as founders of Income Path. Income Path is a tool that visualizes retirement income paths and the impact of annuities on that journey. A conversation with Bill Sharpe in 2018 provided the spark for this new venture. The tool aims to shift the narrative from fear-based discussions to positive outcomes and flexibility. It allows individuals to modulate their annuity allocation and equity allocation to create the desired income path. The target audience for Income Path includes financial professionals and institutions, and the tool can be used throughout retirement to evaluate and adjust income plans. Takeaways Income Path is a tool that visualizes retirement income paths and the impact of annuities on those paths. The tool aims to shift the narrative from fear-based discussions to positive outcomes and flexibility. Individuals can modulate their annuity allocation and equity allocation to create the desired income path. Income Path is targeted towards financial professionals and institutions and can be used throughout retirement to evaluate and adjust income plans. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions 01:05 Genesis of Income Path 05:29 The Modeling of a Variable Annuity 06:52 The Value of Income Path and Annuities 07:22 Shifting the Narrative from Fear to Positive Outcomes 08:15 Coming Together to Create Income Path 09:18 Shifting the Perception of Annuities 10:12 The Flexibility and Offensive Role of Annuities 12:45 Visualizing Retirement Income Paths 14:17 Shifting Mindsets and Behavioral Inputs 21:43 The Impact of Annuities on Longevity Risk 23:08 Considering Healthcare Costs in Retirement 25:38 Target Audience and Launch Strategy 28:04 Inspiring Visualization and Flexibility 29:37 The Impact of Income Path on Advisors and Annuity Sales 32:47 Bringing Visual Tools to the Market 33:33 Closing Remarks and Thank You

217 - The Peak 65 Zone Is Here With Jason Fichtner Jason Fichtner, Chief Economist, Bipartisan Policy Center & Executive Director, Retirement Income Institute, Alliance for Lifetime Income joins us today to talk to us about his latest paper. Jason recently released the 2024 edition of “The Peak 65® Zone Is Here – Creating A New Framework For America's Retirement Security". On our show, Jason Fichtner discusses this paper, the retirement income challenge, and the need for protected income strategies.  He highlights the moment and the retirement challenges faced by the baby boomer generation. Fichtner emphasizes the transition from defined benefit to defined contribution plans and the importance of optimizing Social Security benefits. He also discusses the use of bridge annuities to convert retirement assets into a stream of income. The role of the workplace in retirement planning and the need for prescriptive advice are also discussed.  The conversation explores the need for protected income products in defined contribution plans and the role of defaults in retirement planning. It also discusses the importance of educational tools and calculators for retirement planning and the impact of narrative framing and behavioral elements in retirement decision making. The narrative on retirement income strategies is changing, and there is a need to expand the message and address retirement security for multiple generations.   Takeaways: The retirement income challenge is a significant issue, with many individuals struggling to convert their retirement assets into a stream of income that will last their lifetime. The Peak 65 moment is approaching, with millions of Americans turning 65 each year. This highlights the urgency to address retirement challenges and ensure financial security for retirees. The transition from defined benefit to defined contribution plans has shifted the responsibility of retirement savings and income planning to individuals. This has created a need for protected income strategies, such as annuities. Employers play a crucial role in retirement planning, as employees often trust them for information and guidance. Employers can provide education and resources to help employees make informed decisions about their retirement income. Protected income products should be included in defined contribution plans to provide retirement security. Defaults can play a role in retirement planning by offering options that fit the majority of the population, with an opt-out option. Educational tools and calculators can help individuals understand the benefits of delaying social security and bridge the gap in retirement income. Narrative framing and behavioral elements are important in influencing retirement decision making. The conversation on retirement income strategies is shifting towards a holistic approach. There is a need to expand the message on retirement security and address the challenges faced by multiple generations.   Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 00:47 Jason's Roles and Expertise 04:13 Peak 65 and Retirement Challenges 05:11 Financial Challenges and Trust Fund Insolvency 06:03 Transition from Defined Benefit to Defined Contribution 07:25 Personal Experience and Retirement Savings 08:11 Optimizing Social Security Benefits 10:04 Bridge Annuities and Protected Income 11:29 Calculating Retirement Income 16:23 Role of the Workplace in Retirement Planning 21:50 Protected Income Products in Defined Contribution Plans 23:27 The Role of Defaults in Retirement Planning 25:17 Educational Tools and Calculators for Retirement Planning 30:20 Narrative Framing and Behavioral Elements in Retirement Decision-Making 35:02 Changing the Narrative on Retirement Income Strategies 38:03 Expanding the Message and Addressing Retirement Security 39:51 The Retirement Challenges for Multiple Generations Read more here: