Talking Ears

While we're waiting for Season 4 of Talking Ears, here is a little treat! Phil Yale, the host of Phil's Tracks, asked me (Frank) to join him on an episode of his show. I had a great time chatting with him about musician's hearing health and tinnitus, and was impressed with his interview chops, organizational skills, and general likability. I hope you have as much fun listening as I had being his guest. Here is a link to the (gulp) video version of the episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3anArMctogCV0CEsoz955w?si=jCy6hzQQSW6LZq651nNfsA The following are all the episode notes from Phil's Tracks: MainTrack – Tinnitus' unique impact on those in the music industry. SideTrack – Three ‘Names' Impacted By Hearing Loss   InsideTrack – Insights fromMatt Froehle Lead Guitarist Knock For Six   UpTrack – ‘The Best Imitation of Myself'   Talking Ears Podcast Episode– A Field Guide To Musicians' Tinnitus https://open.spotify.com/episode/3MiiRknFKcMIU75TxKJx5X?si=8970ae35260e4858   MusiCares eligibility: https://www.tunedcare.com/musicares Schedule with Frank: https://www.earmarkhc.com/schedule Earmark homepage: www.earmarkhc.com Contact for Earmark: Contact@earmarkhc.com Contact for Frank: Frank@earmarkhc.com Sensaphonics find an audiologist: https://www.sensaphonics.com/pages/find-an-audiologist NIOSH Sound Level Meter app: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/niosh-sound-level-meter/id1096545820   Referenced Phil's Tracks Episodes: Crafting The Artistry of Karen Carpenter and Mary ChapinCarpenter (Includes segment with Holle Aungst on ‘Safe Listening' https://open.spotify.com/episode/1omzOYRhHXLGyfT2GWXx1w?si=e5f4251895864545   Knock For Six https://open.spotify.com/episode/5TyH12xbLAqP66DNMrFkZe?si=617803122c7849e9   Best Imitation of Myself https://youtu.be/s7CVoD_Et_0   ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.philyale.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ e: ⁠info@philyale.com⁠ FB: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/groups/325567269673280⁠⁠⁠ #rockhistory #brotherphil #philstracks #sidetrack#liketrack #maintrack  #uptrack #talkingears #frankwartinger #tinnitus

Welcome to the last episode of Season 3 of Talking Ears! This also happens to be the final installment of the eight part NHCA 2025 Conference spotlight series. What a ride we've had this year and we are excited to share what we've been working on for Season 4! This episode features a round table conversation captured at the NHCA 2025 Conference with two audiology graduate Student Scholarship Award recipients: Hannah Miller (Idaho State University) and Blake Voss (University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point). They each presented remarkable research posters surveying contrasting intersections between the worlds of music and hearing. Juan and Frank were happy to find time during the busy conference schedule to delve into the personal and academic factors that led them to focused on each of their specific target populations for their research. Music heard in this episode was written and recorded by Juan Vasquez and produced by Frank Wartinger. To hear the full tracks, visit the new Original Music Of Talking Ears album. If you like the show (or the music) and want to support us, you may choose to donate through bandcamp. It would probably go towards funding some coffee so we can keep awake so we can make more of this show and music. As we enter Season 4, we would love to hear more of your feedback on the show. If you've listened (and read) this far, YOU are our target audience of dedicated listeners, and you can help shape the future sound of Talking Ears. We invite you to share your questions, your requests, your responses, or your praise/critics. We'll take it all! After all - we are all ears, so to speak.

This is the sixth and final installment of the 2025 NHCA Updates in Music Audiology Workshop recap. In this episode, we'll listen to Benj Kanters' lecture "Tools For Teaching Awareness From the Intersection of Music, Audio and Audiology". Whether you call it the caboose, anchor, closer, wrap-up, coda, or ultimate, Benj's talk was the last of a long day of lectures and panel discussions circling the larger topic of Music Audiology, and we could not have imagined a better way to close out the workshop. Note that the content has been edited slightly for the audio-only format, and these lecture recordings are not eligible for CEUs. If you want the full educational experience, we invite you to seek out the National Hearing Conservation Association and our annual conferences. Benj Kanters (BS/MM Northwestern University) is associate professor emeritus of audio, Columbia College Chicago, where he was on the faculty of the Audio Arts and Acoustics department from 1993 to 2022. He directed the Audio Design and Production major, teaching audio physics and recording/production at all levels of the curriculum. After studying hearing physiology as part of his master's degree at Northwestern, he developed the course Studies in Hearing in 2002, teaching physiology, disorders and conservation as a department core Requirement. Prior to Columbia, Benj spent twenty years in the Chicago music scene. He was partner and sound engineer at the concert-club Amazingrace, and later partner and chief managing engineer of Studiomedia Recording in Evanston. In 2007, he founded Heartomorrow and The Hearing Conservation Workshop, visiting universities and professional organizations to teach his unique flavor of hearing awareness to students and professionals in audio, music and the hearing sciences. To date, he has presented over 100 workshops in the US, Mexico and Europe and in recognition of his work received the Safe in Sound award in 2014.

We assembled the largest gathering of Teleaudiology experts on the planet (world record eligible?) as part of the NHCA 2025 conference "Updates in Music Audiology" workshop. This episode is that panel discussion, lightly edited for the audio-only format. Of course, Teleaudiology is not a new topic for Talking Ears listeners, as we have had all the panelists as guests in the past, and discussed Tuned and MusiCares in various episodes including a panel video. This episode serves as an update to the rapidly changing landscape of the field of virtual care for musicians, as well as a deep dive into the online hearing screener development and accessibility benefits of the delivery model. The panelists were Heather Malyuk (Tuned, Soundcheck Audiology), Laura Sinnott (Sound Culture), Sharron Switzer (Sensaphonics), and Juan Vasquez (Talking Ears, Earmark). Frank Wartinger moderated the panel discussion. Note: these conference lecture recordings are not eligible for CEUs. If you want the full educational experience, we invite you to seek out the National Hearing Conservation Association and our annual conferences.

This is a feed-drop episode where we get to share an episode of the Sound Discussion podcast. Juan Vasquez and Frank Wartinger had a great time as guests on their show, and I'm sure you'll enjoy the banter and conversation. If you like what you're hearing, make sure you subscribe to their show for more in-depth and light-hearted discussions of audio and recording topics. Here is the (overly flattering) episode description from the team at Sound Discussion: This month on Sound Discussion, we're diving deep into the essential topic of hearing health with two incredible experts in the field, Dr. Frank Wartinger and Dr. Juan Vasquez. Dr. Wartinger, the founder of Earmark Hearing Conservation in Philadelphia, and Dr. Vasquez, a passionate audiologist based in Chicago, join us to share their wealth of knowledge on how to protect your hearing in the music industry. As musicians, engineers, and music lovers, we often take our hearing for granted. In this episode, we explore the importance of hearing conservation and discuss practical strategies to maintain hearing health while performing or attending live events. From the dangers of high decibel levels to the types of hearing protection available, Frank and Juan break down what you need to know to keep your ears safe. We also touch on common misconceptions about hearing loss, the significance of using in-ear monitors correctly, and the impact of modern technology on our auditory health. With insights from their podcast, Talking Ears, our guests provide valuable tips for musicians at every stage of their careers. This episode is a must-listen for anyone involved in music, whether you're on stage, behind the mixing board, or enjoying a concert from the crowd. Join us for an engaging and enlightening conversation that could change the way you think about sound and hearing!

The 5th installment of the NHCA Updates in Music Audiology Workshop recap is actually a double feature! Here we have friend of the show Heather Malyuk speaking about diplacusis and co-host Juan Vasquez speaking about clinical management of musician patients. Both lectures are informative, concise, and expertly delivered, so this is a real treat for those who want to learn some practical knowledge on the clinical applications of music audiology. Note: the content has been edited slightly for the audio-only format. These lecture recordings are not eligible for CEUs. If you want the full educational experience, we invite you to seek out the National Hearing Conservation Association and our annual conferences. Juan Vasquez is an audiologist based in Chicago, Illinois. Before pursuing a career in audiology he taught, recorded, and performed music with various ensembles and as a solo artist. In 2019, he earned a Doctor of Audiology degree from Pacific University and has had various experiences in ENT, Veterans Affairs, Department of Defense, private practice, research, and hospital settings. Currently, his clinical focus is centered around hearing loss prevention, particularly for musicians. Utilizing the telehealth services, Juan provides virtual consultations for hearing wellness, co-teach CAOHC courses, and co-produces the show Talking Ears, a podcast that focuses on music creators and their experiences with what is perhaps their most important instrument - their sense of hearing. Heather Malyuk, owner of Soundcheck Audiology, is a musician and audiologist who hails from Northeast Ohio, but is known internationally as a clinician and public speaker in the field of music audiology. She received an undergraduate degree in Music History and Literature from the University of Akron and continued on to earn her Doctor of Audiology (AuD) degree from Kent State University. In 2020, she co-authored the clinical consensus document for Audiological Services for Music Industry Personnel through the American Academy of Audiology, she is a former Executive Council and Leadership Advisory Team member for the National Hearing Conservation Association, as well as a former co-chair of the College Music Society's Committee on Musicians' Health. She is passionate about new delivery models for audiologic care and is the Head of Audiology for Tuned, a groundbreaking virtual audiology clinic. In addition to her clinical and educational work, Heather developed and manages the first-ever hearing wellness video curriculum for the music industry, is a sought-after consultant and author, and is a research team member with various groups around the United States.

In the fourth installment of the NHCA Updates in Music Audiology Workshop recap, we have music audiology expert and dear friend Dr. Brian Fligor. In this episode we'll listen in to his lecture on Tinnitus Evaluation and Management. The content has been edited slightly for the audio-only format. Note that these lecture recordings are not eligible for CEUs. If you want the full educational experience, we invite you to seek out the National Hearing Conservation Association and our annual conferences. Brian Fligor is a board-certified pediatric audiologist and owner and staff audiologist at Tobias & Battite Hearing Wellness, a large private audiology practice in downtown Boston. His specific clinical and research interest is in evaluation and management of chronic bothersome tinnitus, hyperacusis and other auditory injuries due to high sound exposures. Dr. Fligor is adjunct faculty at Mass General Hospital Institute for Health Professions and at Drexel University GSO College of Audiology. Dr. Fligor's publications on hearing loss risk from music received considerable popular media attention, including being spoofed on the David Letterman Show in 2005. His publications on ototoxicity were incorporated into the JCIH Position Statement (2007) and helped shape a consensus international chemotherapy ototoxicity grading scale. He holds a B.S. in Biomedical Engineering and doctorate in Audiology from Boston University, and post-doctoral research fellowship from Harvard Medical School.

In this episode, we flip the table and Juan interviews Frank about an article he co-authored for Seminars in Hearing Volume 45, Number 3 (2025). First, a thank you to guest series editor Marc Fagelson, PhD, for the invitation to write this article for Seminars in Hearing. Marc, Frank, and Juan have been collaborating for the last year on an exciting Music Audiology project with the American Tinnitus Association (ATA) and Texas Roadhouse to bring hearing and tinnitus awareness and care to musicians and crew music festivals. This work has been described in detail in the ATA's Tinnitus Today Winter 2024 publication and we discussed it in detail on a panel episode of Talking Ears. Second, this article would not have happened without the contributions and insights from these amazing collaborators: Nancy Gould, M.Ed - Nancy is the Tinnitus Specialist with Tuned Care, and practices on telehealth and in North Carolina. She specializes in mindfulness stress reduction as well as tinnitus retraining. We first connected when she made dramatic differences in the care of many of my patients seen on the Tuned platform through the MusiCares program, so I knew she would have great insights into this article. Melissa Rogel, LMFT - Melissa is a licensed individual and relationship therapist, runs the practice Cooperative Path in the Philadelphia area, and is the drummer of Philly-based indie rock band The Diaphone. She clearly understands the musicians' perspective and brought to light the psychological concepts. Full disclosure: Frank has been playing keyboards and bass with The Diaphone since 2022, so we're bandmates. Thus the article: A Field Guide to Musicians' Tinnitus outlines the differences in psychological presentation and care approaches when working with musicians who have significant tinnitus reactions, then follows a case that Nancy and Frank shared via teleaudiology.  Music heard in this episode was written and recorded by Juan Vasquez and produced by Frank Wartinger.

Welcome to the third installment of the Updates in Music Audiology workshop recap from the NHCA 2025 conference. This week we will help Sensaphonics celebrate their 40 year anniversary by featuring the voices of founder Michael Santucci and hearing clinic director Shannon Switzer. Together, they shared a brief history of in ear monitors, common fit and use issues, and recommendations for their safe and effective use. Their presentations have been edited slightly for the audio-only format.  Michael Santucci is a Doctor of Audiology and president of Sensaphonics, Inc., Chicago, IL. In 1985 he founded Sensaphonics which designs, develops and manufactures custom in‐ear products for the music industry as well as a variety of other hearing conservation applications. For over 40 years he has provided Audiological consultation and customized hearing protection strategies to both Chicago area musicians and many of today's most prolific music performers from all genres of music. Today, Dr. Santucci continues his hearing conservation efforts, spearheading the development of innovative new products and technologies that have 3 patents for the 3DME IEM system and the dB Check Pro sound level analyzer. Both products are NAMM tech award finalists. Dr. Santucci is the Chair of the Music Induced Hearing Loss Task Force for the National Hearing Conservation Association. Dr. Santucci is also a member of the Audio Engineering Society (AES), where he is Chair of the Technical Committee on Hearing and Hearing Loss Prevention. In 2015 through this year, Dr. Santucci was invited by the World Health Organization to participate as an expert consultant as part of the WHO's Listen Safe Initiative in Geneva SZ and is a core member and coordinator for MLS. Sensaphonics is the first winner of the Safe in Sound award presented by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and the NHCA for achievements in technology, was the first winner of the prestigious Larry Mauldin award for pioneering new ideas for hearing loss prevention and was twice presented the Governor's Award and once presented a Fellowship Award from the Audio Engineering Association and has been awarded Honors of the Academy with the 2023 Samuel Lybarger award from the American Academy of Audiology. Shannon Switzer, Au.D. is the Director of the Sensaphonics Musicians' Hearing Clinic in Chicago and is a featured audiologist in the MusiCares x Tuned teleaudiology partnership. As a lifelong clarinetist herself, she became fascinated with hearing conservation for musicians while earning her Doctorate of Audiology at Northwestern University. She primarily provides direct patient care to over 1000 music industry professionals annually through a variety of channels; the Sensaphonics clinic, mobile visits at music venues in Chicago, onsite clinical residencies with orchestras around the country, and teleaudiology visits with musicians around the world. Dr. Switzer is passionate about promoting hearing health through public education. She lectures at conferences, gives interviews to various music media, and trains audiologists in music audiology best practices. She has recently joined the WHO's Make Listening Safe committee for safe listening in music venues and organizes high-profile musicians to promote World Hearing Day on their social media. She is an avid concert-goer and can't help but chat about hearing protection in the crowd, even when she's “off the clock”.

In this, the second installment of the series recapping the NHCA 2025 Conference, we have an incredible presentation from Colleen Le Prell, PHD. This is an edit version of her contribution to the Updates in Music Audiology workshop. The NHCA audience knows her as a recent past present of the organization, and a frequent presenter at the conferences. We know her as a dear friend who continually inspires us to a reach the highest possible academic rigor in our work. Dr. Le Prell is the Emilie and Phil Schepps Professor of Hearing Science, Head of the Department of Speech, Language, and Hearing, and Co-Director for the Clinical and Translational Research Center at UT Dallas. She has received research funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Department of Defense (DoD), philanthropic foundations, and industry, for research on prevention of noise-induced hearing loss. She is the academic leader for the DoD Hearing Center of Excellence Pharmaceutical Interventions for Hearing Loss work group and an invited member of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine Committee on Meaningful Outcome Measures in Adult Hearing Health Care.  She is the Chair of the NIH Center for Scientific Review Auditory System Study Section, and serves on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Occupational Research Agenda Hearing Loss Prevention Cross Sector Council and the World Health Organization Make Listening Safe working group. Brief music clips heard in this episode are from a live performance of Osler Circle, a Beatles cover band based in Philadelphia. This is used for educational purposes and while the recording is ours to use, we do not own the rights to the original song, "Day Tripper", and that all rights belong to the respective copyright holders.

This is the first of a series of shorter episodes featuring presentations and interviews held at the National Hearing Conservation Association (NHCA) annual conference in Charleston, SC in February, 2025. Stay tuned for upcoming episodes featuring Brian Fligor, Michael Santucci, Colleen Le Prell, Benj Kanters, Heather Malyuk, Juan Vasquez, Shannon Switzer, as well as two student award recipients, Hannah Miller and Blake Voss. Wow, what a line up! But first, we have undeniable audio genius and friend-of-the-show, Laura Sinnot. Laura is a long time audio engineer for film whose career expanded into hearing health as an audiologist after over-exposing her ears to her work and the bustling metropolis of NYC. She ran the Sensaphonics Musician's Hearing Clinic, a Chicago-based institution for three years. Now based in Central New York, Laura provides traveling and concierge audiology services for musicians, media professionals, and music lovers, as well as teleaudiology consultations through Tuned. In addition to her doctorate degree from the City University of New York, she has a Music Technology master's and bachelor's degree from New York University and the University of Colorado at Denver, respectively. Please note that this is an edited version of the presentation and is not eligible for CEUs. If you want the full experience (and the continuing education credits) you need to plan to come to NHCA webinars and conferences in the future. They are the best.

Talking Ears wishes everyone a healthy and wonderful new year! To kickoff 2025, we are honored to present the latest and very special episode featuring Jesus Florido. Known as the Latin Fiddler, he is a Los Angeles-based violinist with a unique story to share. At a vital time in his life, he needed to undergo a risky ear surgery that left him with tinnitus and a permanent loss of hearing in his right ear. He discusses how this different way of hearing led to a new approach to performing music, and also shares his passion for supporting musicians with his hope of improving the music industry. For context, Jesus first met Talking Ears co-host Juan Vasquez through the MusiCares X Tuned program, which has been discussed at length on the show. Throughout the episode, you'll hear mention of a mysterious Nancy who is none other than the inimitable audiologist Nancy Gould, the tinnitus and hearing disorders expert who also works with the Tuned program. Music heard in this episode is from Jesus's album "Heading North" as well as various compositions and film scores. 

Talking Ears co-host Juan Vasquez, AuD, wrote an article for the American Tinnitus Association (ATA) publication, Tinnitus Today, titled "Hitting the Right Note at the Kentucky State Fair: ATA and Texas Roadhouse Team Up to Advance Hearing Conservation Among Music Professionals" which was published this week. To help us unpack the title, the origin story, the experience at the Kentucky State Fair, and the plans for the future of this exciting program, Juan is joined by a world class panel of guests: Joy Onozuka (ATA Communications Director), Marc Fagelson, PhD (Professor of Audiology at East Tennessee State University), and Brynne Stevens (AuD Student at Washington University). Representing the "I wasn't there" contingency, Frank Wartinger serves as the moderator of this panel discussion. Many other individuals contributed to this program and didn't get the verbal recognition they deserve in the episode. Thank you to Travis Doster (Texas Roadhouse Chief Communications Officer) and Bryce Onozuka (ATA staff member) for making the weekend happen! Music heard in this episode is by Frank Wartinger.

Happy National Protect Your Hearing Month! October is a great time for us to celebrate all things eerie (get it? ear-ie?) and to conclude our five-part series on the National Hearing Conservation Association (NHCA). Our guest, Caleb Kronen is an audiologist and director of Hearing Conservation at the Marion Downs Center in Denver, Colorado. This episode we'll talk about his relationship with NHCA, his work as a music audiologist and hearing conservationist, and his musical life. Music in this episode is by Caleb's band, Kronen.

Cory Portnuff is a one-person institution within the National Hearing Conservation Association: he is a regular presenter at NHCA meetings, frequent council member, unofficial conference audio/visual expert, and co-author of the NHCA Position Statement on Recreational Music Exposure. In his day job, he is a clinical audiologist at the University of Colorado Hospital Hearing and Balance Center where he oversees the tinnitus and musicians hearing programs. We sat down with Cory to discuss our experience at the 2024 NHCA conference, consumer audio safety, verification of hearing protection devices, and why preventative care should be a cornerstone of every clinical audiology encounter. Music in this episode is from two recent releases by past Talking Ears guest and friend of the show, Eric Heveron-Smith: Tiny Previous Things and Free, featuring Daisy Castro and Isabel Castellvi.

Don Finan needs no introduction to the NHCA listeners, nor those hailing from the University of North Colorado where he serves as the chair of the Communication Sciences & Disorders department. He is a favorite presenter at conferences, a talented photographer, a skilled guitarist, and a creative professor. To open a small window into his world and peer through, Don teaches a class titled "Musical Acoustics and Health Issues", during which he challenges his students to build their own cigar box guitars and didgeridoos. Nothing else has made me want to go back to grad school as much as hearing about that course. We cover a wide range of topics including speech science, guitars, hearing loss prevention, blues jams, guitars, firearm noise research, guitars, and even guitars. In a remarkable display of self-restraint, we have reduced the amount of guitar talk by at least two fold. Sorry, and also, you're welcome. Music in this episode is from Don's band "The Rhythm Allstars".

Colleen Le Prell is our guest to continue the series spotlighting the National Hearing Conservation Association (NHCA). Colleen wears a great many hats including: NHCA past president; the Speech, Language, and Hearing Department head at University of Texas at Dallas; and the faculty mentor of the students from her UT Dallas Noise Lab whom we featured in the most recent episode of this show.  In this episode, we cover a lot of ground with topics ranging from the 2024 NHCA conference, hearing protection device fit testing, otoprotective vitamins, the World Health Organization, and new advancements in gene therapy for hearing loss. All the music heard was produced by Brendan Fitzgerald and Frank Wartinger specifically for this episode.

Talking Ears Season 3 begins with a five-part series spotlighting the National Hearing Conservation Association (NHCA). Brendan Fitzgerald, past guest and friend of the show, joins Juan and Frank to discuss the 2024 conference, but the episode revolves around the voices of five inspiring audiology graduate students: Brynn Stevens (2024 NHCA conference award winner), as well as four students from UT Dallas presented research posters - Conner Jansen, Allison Woodford, Emily Myers, and Azalea Coste. After hearing these students speak passionately about their drive and dedication, it is easy to see that the future of NHCA, hearing loss prevention, and music audiology is bright! Stay tuned for the other episodes in this NHCA Spotlight series, featuring presenters and attendees from the 2024 conference including; researcher and educator Colleen LePrell, speech scientist and hearing loss preventionist Don Finan, university professor and clinical audiologist Cory Portnuff, and musician and music audiologist Caleb Kronen.

This special episode of Talking Ears is a spotlight edit of episode 22 which focuses on the work of CAOHC, the Council for Accreditation in Occupational Hearing Conservation. Now in its 50th year in the current form, the organization's history is inspiring and carries a heavy responsibility. With its roots in interdisciplinary education and advocacy reaching back to 1965, CAOHC's mission is to “advance best practices in occupational hearing conservation worldwide through credentialing, standards, education, and advocacy.” The Council's vision is, “a world without occupational hearing loss.”  Terry Tyson is an architectural acoustician and guitar player in the southern rock tribute band, High Noon. He also serves on the CAOHC council representing INCE (The Institute of Noise Control Engineering of the USA) a non-profit professional organization with the mission to “promote engineering solutions to environmental, product, machinery, industrial and other noise problems”. In this episode, Terry describes hearing loss prevention as, “... a subject that is near and dear to my heart”, a sentiment we certainly share as musicians and audiologists. This appreciation of hearing and sound seamlessly sets his role up as a member of the heads up the Noise Committee on the CAOHC council. We discuss his early career in chemical engineering within industrial settings where he experienced first-hand the potential of injury from noise exposure. Terry's perspective focuses on the health of hearing and well-being of every person, going above and beyond that of regulations.  We invite you to listen to the full episode of Talking Ears featuring Terry Tyson to hear more about his musical life, thoughts on acoustic architectural design, and which guitar from his extensive collection is his favorite (hint, it isn't one of the ones he regularly plays one stage). As Audiologists, this mission resonates with Talking Ear's co-hosts, Frank and Juan. Noise-induced hearing loss and associated disorders are considered 100% preventable, however we are inundated with cases and outcomes which could have been avoided with the right combination of education, motivation, and intervention. In an effort to put the horse in front of the cart, so to speak, we both serve as course directors for the namesake Occupational Hearing Conservationist (OHC) credentialing programs - training clinicians on the best practices in this vital field. Additionally, Frank recently joined the council as a representative of the American Academy of Audiology.  As CAOHC course directors, the opportunity to collaborate with others working in various fields of occupational health adds strength to the message of hearing loss prevention worldwide. There is great value in interdisciplinary clinical training to address hearing loss prevention. With such a wide range of occupational settings, each with their own challenges and opportunities, the best defense is a well-informed and motivated OHC. Earmark Hearing Conservation hosts 30 - 40 courses which train ~500 OHCs annually. When we zoom out to consider the hundreds to thousands of workers each OHC is directly serving, the full scope of our impact is both an awe-inspiring privilege and a weighty responsibility. For this reason, creating and delivering a high quality and uncompromising educational experience is our first priority.

Our guest Terry Tyson is a principal acoustician at Acentech and serves on the CAOHC (Council for Accreditation of Occupational Hearing Conservation) council as the representative of INCE (Institute of Noise Control Engineering). We'll unravel all those acronyms, and use those threads to connect his musical life playing guitar in the premier southern rock tribute band, High Noon. Terry is the perfect example of someone who is thinking of sound from multiple perspectives and his insights alone are worth the price of admission. In this episode, we'll be hearing selections from live and studio recordings of High Noon.

Peter Dankelson wears many hats: award-winning author, motivational speaker, social media inspiration, and killer rock guitarist. His attitude is infectious, his perspective is eye-opening, and his playing is world-class. We focused on his music life and barely scratched the surface of his amazing medical journey which set the stage for the conversation. Oh well - I suppose you'll just need to become a fan of Pete's and read his book to get the full story! In this episode, we'll hear music by his band, Pete's Diary as well as live performances featuring Peter Dankelson with the likes of Buckcherry, Jerry James Nichols, and Dirty Honey. Pete's Diary is set to release their first full-length album, so be sure to watch this space!   Today is also the World Health Organization's World Hearing Day! We are choosing to celebrate in the way we know best - presenting more great interviews and stories about our favorite things: sound, music, hearing and ears.

"This week on Gig Gab, dive deep into the world of hearing health with Frank Wartinger, a renowned music audiologist and podcaster! Wartinger emphasizes the importance of protecting your ears, especially for musicians and avid music fans... Wartinger and Hamilton remind listeners that in the world of music, it's crucial to “Always Be Performing,” but that also means taking care of your health, especially your hearing, to ensure longevity in your career."

If you are in the music industry, you are likely eligible for a no-cost hearing wellness consultation paid for by MusiCares, the non-profit arm of the recording academy. I'm this episode, Juan and Frank explain the details and discuss aspects of the recent video panel of audiologists, but please go to Tunedcare.com to check your eligibility and schedule your visit. Applicants must be able to document employment history in one of the following areas 1) Five years employment in the music industry, or 2) Six commercially released recordings and/or videos.  The benefit includes: 1) Virtual consultation with a specialized music audiologist, 2) A pair of Etymotic ER20XS Universal filtered earplugs, and 3) Access to Hearing Aids (when audiologically indicated). As the panelists put it, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain!

EmmoLei Sankofa is prolific and busy, but she was kind enough to take the time to chat with Talking Ears! In this episode, the composer of some of your favorite soundtracks (recent credits including Three Ways, Lizzo's Watch Out For The Big Grrrls, Step Up Season 3, The Other Black Girl, and Project CC) shares her thoughts on storytelling through sound and collaborating with filmmakers. We first met through MusiCares and the tele-audiology platform at tunedcare.com, and this fantastic program is discussed at length in the episode. Also, listen close to catch all the references to morse code and how is informs some of her compositions.  Music heard in this episode is from her soundtrack releases, as well as her critically acclaimed 2019 album, Geometry.  Speaking of being busy, you can hear EmmoLei take on the role of guest host of The Disney Hits Sirus XM show on the date of this release.

While it is true that Brendan Fitzgerald is a fellow audiologist and is on the University of Buffalo clinical faculty, we spend almost our entire hour together discussing his work as the director of the contemporary music ensemble Wooden Cities. We ask Brendan to elaborate on what it means to have intention in live performances, how community and the people involved influence the outcome, and what constitutes musical aesthetics. Maybe next time we'll get into music audiology and hearing loss prevention for performers, but for now, we enjoy his beautiful and oftentimes challenging music. In this episode we'll hear music by Brendan Fitzgerald, Wooden Cities, and improvisational duo FFFFaultyTower.

Danielle DePalma is a world-class mixing engineer, the production manager of the legendary Bowery Ballroom in NYC, and a dear friend. She's toured with, recorded, mixed, and produced concerts for practically everyone you can name so it was tough to pick only a few, but in this episode we focus on the music of past and current collaborators Mercy Bell, Sharon Van Etten, Hailey Wojcik, Field Mouse, Christina Picciano, and Emily King. Danielle also pens eye-opening articles on concert management and production on SoundGirls.org, and we get into the important conversation of representation in the music industry. Her attitude toward prioritizing personal well-being extends beyond herself and benefits the artists she works well and the concert-goers who have the good fortune of experiencing one of her productions. You can read more about Danielle and her time at Purchase College (which we somehow didn't touch on in our brief interview) in Women in Sound, written by Madeleine Campbell.

Wayne Tucker is a trumpet player, singer, songwriter, composer, and soon to be author. He has shared the stage with household names such Taylor Swift, Ne-Yo and David Crosby, and jazz artists like Al Foster, Cyrille Aimee, and Kurt Elling. Since 2016, he's been releasing albums of his own compositions and songs. Wayne is also a founding member of Brass Against, a unique group which reimagines the music of Rage Against the Machine (and other artists) with a huge horn section and energetic stage show. In this interview, we hear music from his most recent EP, "I'll Never Stop", as well as his many records and collaborations.

Dr. Matt Bell is an audiologist who has written and taught extensively on the subject of 'Audiologic Management of Musicians'. He has inspired countless audiology graduate students, and many of his students have gone on to do great work in the field of music audiology... we're looking at you, Juan Vasquez, co-producer of Talking Ears!  Juan takes the host chair for this episode to interview Dr. Bell, his mentor and arguably the reason he is an Audiologist today. Music in this episode features Matt Bell in various bands including Raindriver and The Feel.

Good news! Talking Ears won the 2023 NHCA Media Award. This is an incredibly meaningful award for Frank and Juan as we consider the National Hearing Conservation Association our primary professional organization as hearing conservationists and music audiologists.  The NHCA Media Award was established in 1993 to recognize the efforts of creators who serve to heighten public awareness of the hazards of noise and who take the time and effort to bring hearing conservation related issues into public light. Past winners include John Eichwald (CDC Noise Induced Hearing Loss Workgroup), Kevin O'Connor (Ask This Old House), Gordon Hempton (The Sound Tracker), Cara Buckley (The New York Times), and Brian Fligor, just to name a few. NHCA's mission is to prevent hearing loss and other auditory disorders due to noise and secondary environmental factors in all sectors of society, and we are enthused by the increased awareness and attention being aimed at the hearing healthcare of music and entertainment industry professionals.

Kitten Kuroi has traveled the world as a featured singer with some of the biggest names in music, and we're thrilled that she took the time to sit down to talk with us about her ears! In this episode, we discuss how her career got started and the proactive approach she uses to keep her ears sharp while on the road year after year. She also shares the inspiration behind her upcoming album, American Refugee, which in part reflects on how her experience of traveling abroad has changed over the years. We would also like to thank MusiCares and Tuned for connecting us, and for all the great work the organizations are doing to help music professionals. If you or someone you care about is a music professional in need of hearing care or other health and support services, contact MusiCares: 800.687.4227 or Musicaresrelief@musicares.org All music from this episode is by and/or featuring our guest, Kitten Kuroi.

This is Tinnitus Awareness Week, and our friends over at the How I Got Tinnitus podcast released three episodes, including an interview with our host, Frank Wartinger!   Listeners may recall that the host JD was our guest on episode #10 of Talking Ears. It was a real joy to have the table flipped around for this interview, and we don't shy away from the big questions and faux-frenemy banter. To listen to the full episode, aim your podcast player to How I Got Tinnitus and enjoy the positive and refreshing approach JD brings to the sometimes heavy and hard topic of tinnitus.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) has been shown time and time again to be one of the most efficacious methods to treat tinnitus distress. In this episode, we go straight to an expert, Bruce Hubbard, PhD, ABPP, to better understand how CBT can be leveraged for the treatment of tinnitus. Dr. Hubbard is a psychologist, Past President of the New York City Cognitive Behavior Therapy Association (2016-2018), and Founder and Director of CBT for Tinnitus, LLC. In this episode, we ask him to explain how CBT differs from other tinnitus management and the practical science of habituation.  Dr. Hubbard is also a guitarist, vocalist, and songwriter, bringing his own perspective and empathy to the care of musically-minded folks. In this episode, we'll hear original songs by Dr. Hubbard, as well as his performances with various groups including Glove and BlueFuse.

Brandon Beaver stops by to talk about Philadelphia, his past musical families of Buried Beds and mewithoutYou, his experience watching his bandmates wrestle with hearing injury while on the road, and what's next now that mewithoutYou has played their farewell tour. The conversation keeps coming back to one thing... and yes, we talk an awful lot about ears on this show, but in the end, music is all about the people. Music heard in this episode is by or featuring Brandon Beaver with mewithoutYou, Buried Beds, Make a Rising, and the 2011 Buried Beds short film Small Stories. To get into the holiday spirit in a uniquely Philadelphia way, you can also hear Brandon on the Philadelphia Eagle's Christmas album "A Philly Special Christmas", which benefits the Children's Crisis Treatment Center.

Benj Kanters, audio engineer and educator extraordinaire, illuminates us on the creation and design of his award-winning, one-of-a-kind hearing conservation workshop, Hear Tomorrow. We also get into his history as an acclaimed audio engineer, thoughts about the current state of the industry, and the future of hearing awareness education. For years, Benj has been an inspiring mentor and friend for the entire Talking Ears production team. This episode features music by composer and guitarist Dave Wright and his new album There and Gone. Pro tip: while checking out his album, take a few minutes to enjoy the world-class photography corresponding with each track.

JD is the creator and host of the hit podcast "How I Got Tinnitus," and he's also a prolific music performer and producer. In this episode we try to answer some big questions, like how one can face their tinnitus distress by channeling it into a creative or academic outlet, and how do we even pronounce the word "tinnitus" in the first place? Music heard in this episode was written, performed, and or recorded by JD.

Audiologist Michael Santucci is the president of Sensaphonics and considered by many to be the father of Music Audiology. Since 1985, he's been innovating music performance devices, clinical techniques, and educational programs that have raised the standard of hearing healthcare for music and entertainment professionals. His products are seen everywhere from the biggest stages on Earth, to 254 milesabove Earth in the International Space Station. His ceaseless work inspires clinicians to practice with high ethical standards when caring for the hearing of musicians, which is exactly the influence his mentorship has had on Talking Ears producers Frank and Juan. Further, he challenges researchers to ask the big impactful practical questions, and creatively raises the funds to see those projects through. In this episode, we cover all that and still have time for a few memorable stories. Music heard in this episode is by Juan Vasquez, Scott Hallam, and Frank Wartinger.

In this special feed-drop, we are listening in on the most recent Signal To Noise Podcast episode, "Hearing Health Matters". Talking Ears producers Juan Vasquez and Frank Wartinger joined fellow music audiologist Laura Sinnott and Signal To Noise host Chris Leonard for a panel discussion in which we fielded listener questions about hearing health. We also got into the technical details and importance of hearing testing for music industry professionals. Please enjoy, and do consider subscribing to Signal To Noise Podcast! Past Talking Ears guest Michael Lawrence is a co-host, along with Kyle Chirnside, Sam Boone, and Chris Leonard. Their show is a true professional class act and we applaud them for being leaders in the discussion of health issues - including hearing health - in the music industry.

In this episode, we turn the microphone on Talking Ears co-producer and audiologist, Juan Vasquez. Here he shares the story of how he got to hearing conservation and audiology from a background in very loud music, and he gives the best possible answer to how these two passions can be reconciled. Good news: we will be hearing more of Juan's voice in upcoming episodes of Talking Ears! Music in this episode was written by or features performances of Juan Vasquez. Additional music by Gunsling Birds.

Bassist and producer Eric Heveron-Smith (Postmodern Jukebox, Einstein's Dreams) joins Frank to talk about his work in jazz and other acoustic music genres. We get into hearing, monitoring, and other health considerations important for professional musicians to ensure career longevity, and get philosophical about the role of music in the world. Music heard in this episode features performances by Eric Heveron-Smith with various groups including Moonshine Rhythm Club, The Capitalist Youth, Gunsling Birds, and a sneak peek at the upcoming album "Flight Manifest" by Einstein's Dreams. For more information about Eric's many many projects, visit https://www.eric-hs.com/

Here is a special bonus episode featuring Music Audiology expert Heather Malyuk, AuD. In her recent episode, there was a lot of conversation around the clinical field of music audiology that didn't belong in the episode so we split it off into a separate conversation. This is equal parts for the Music community to get a peek behind the curtain into the clinical world, and an open invitation to the Audiology community to hear more about our subspecialty.   Music in this episode is by and/or featuring our guest, Heather Malyuk.

Ben Runyan (City Rain) joins Frank to talk about habituation, identity, and prevention through his own experience developing tinnitus and his path to recovery. This episode features music by Ben Runyan.

Michael Lawrence (co-host of the Signal To Noise Podcast), joins us to talk about SPL, loudness, and the audio engineer's responsibility when it comes to exposure risk at live sound events. Expressed through his work as a system engineer and senior instructor at Rational Acoustics, he brings humanity to the technical aspects and numbers when balancing a concert's perceived loudness and safety of all involved.    This episode features music by Audiologist and Talking Ears producer, Juan Vasquez and his band The Absolute Threshold.

Dr. Heather Malyuk, a fiddle player, lifelong musician, and celebrated music audiology expert. She is the past clinical director at Sensaphonics and currently the owner of Soundcheck Audiology. Her hearing health curriculum is a unique tool designed for use by music industry professionals. In this episode, Heather shares her musical upbringing and we discuss the emotional and physical demands of a musician's life which can strain one's health and wellbeing. If you would like to book a private virtual appointment with a music audiologist, follow the below links to view available appointment times, sign up for a consultation, or inquire further. We look forward to caring for you and your ears. Schedule a tele-audiology consultation with Heather Malyuk Schedule a tele-audiology consultation with Frank Wartinger

This episode features conversation with Joey Di Camillo. He shares how his development of hyperacusis and tinnitus put a yearslong pause on his music career, and what he would pay to get his hearing health back. We also discuss how other traumatic life events often bring perspective to one's own problems. Music featured in this episode is by Joey and his collaborators, including Not Yer Baby.

Rickie Mazzotta is the drummer and founding member of the Philadelphia-based indie rock band mewithoutYou, who is embarking on their farewell tour. Rickie checked in about the status of his ears, and offered some sage advice to concert goers and young musicians. The music of mewithoutYou is featured in this episode. Content Warning: this episode contains discussion of mental health and suicide.

Talking Ears is a new show which interviews music creators and lets their ears do the talking. Through stories and guests' own music, we hope to give context to the often overlooked importance of auditory wellness and hearing healthcare for music industry professionals. With so many musicians developing career-threatening hearing injuries, and sparse training for aspiring musicians and engineers, there is an urgency to this discussion. Thanks for listening!