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In this insightful episode of The Reformed Brotherhood, hosts Tony Arsenal and Jesse Schwamb begin their series on Jesus's parables by examining the Parable of the Sower (or Soils). This foundational teaching from Christ reveals why some hearts receive the gospel message while others reject it. The hosts unpack the four soil types Jesus describes, exploring what each represents spiritually and how these patterns continue to manifest today. They emphasize that while the parable reveals different responses to the gospel, it also provides comfort for believers engaged in evangelism, reminding us that outcomes ultimately depend not on the sower's skill but on the condition of the soil—a condition that only God can prepare. This episode offers both theological depth and practical encouragement for Christians seeking to understand the various responses to the gospel message in their own ministry contexts. Key Takeaways The Parable of the Sower serves as a hermeneutical key for understanding all of Jesus's parables, as it directly addresses why Jesus taught in parables and provides the interpretive framework for understanding their purpose. The parable reveals four types of responses to the gospel (represented by the four soils), but only one that leads to genuine salvation and fruit-bearing. The focus of the parable is not on the sower's skill or the seed's quality but on the condition of the soil—emphasizing God's sovereignty in salvation while encouraging continued evangelism. The "rocky ground" hearers represent those who initially receive the gospel with joy but have no root system to sustain them when trials come, often resulting in what we might call "deconstruction" today. Christians should expect varied responses to gospel proclamation and not be discouraged when the seed appears to be wasted on unresponsive hearts, as this pattern was predicted by Jesus himself. The parable provides a warning against shallow faith while encouraging believers to develop deep spiritual roots that can withstand persecution and trials. Genuine conversion is ultimately evidenced by fruit-bearing, not merely by initial enthusiasm or religious affiliation. Understanding the Soils The Parable of the Sower presents four distinct soil types, each representing different responses to the gospel message. The first soil—the path—represents hearts where the gospel makes no impact whatsoever; the seed simply bounces off and is quickly snatched away by Satan. This illustrates not merely outward rejection of the gospel, but also intellectual non-comprehension. As Tony explains, this doesn't necessarily mean active hostility toward the gospel but could simply be indifference: "It may not be someone who has like a closed fist, 'I hate the gospel, I hate everything about God,' but for some reason they're just not [interested]." This parallels Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 2:14 that "the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him." The rocky soil represents those who initially receive the gospel with enthusiasm but lack depth. Their faith appears genuine at first but quickly withers under pressure or persecution. This phenomenon is particularly evident in what we often call "deconstruction" today—where someone who appeared genuinely converted falls away when their faith is tested. As Jesse notes, "I think what I've been helpful for me is to get outta my mind...what's the length of time here? Is it possible that somebody could be in this place...which presents like a setting down of deep roots that could last like years on end?" The parable reminds us that immediate joy at receiving the gospel is not necessarily evidence of saving faith, and it calls us to examine whether our own faith has sufficient depth to withstand trials. The Comfort of Realistic Expectations One of the most encouraging aspects of this parable is how it calibrates our expectations about evangelism and gospel ministry. Jesus teaches that when the gospel is proclaimed, we should expect varied responses—including outright rejection—not because of any failure in the message or messenger, but because of the condition of human hearts. This provides tremendous comfort for believers engaged in evangelistic efforts who might otherwise be discouraged by apparent failure. Tony highlights this point: "This parable is not about the skill of the sower or even the efficacy of the seed...The point of the parable...is that it has to do with the soil itself." This understanding frees us from the pressure of thinking we must somehow perfect our evangelistic technique or presentation, while also removing the false guilt that can come when people reject the message we share. Furthermore, the parable encourages continued, generous sowing of the gospel seed. As Tony observes, "We don't see the sower in this parable meticulously only identifying the good soil and only planting the seeds there. He does promiscuously spread this seed everywhere that he can." This reminds us that our responsibility is faithful proclamation, while the results remain in God's sovereign hands. Memorable Quotes "The Parable of the Sower teaches really that the gospel call goes out to all... but only those who God regenerates, that good soil, are gonna receive it savingly and will bear fruit." - Jesse Schwamb "Just because our experience of Christianity and our experience of being in the faith feels so genuine and real and rooted, we should also recognize that it felt real and genuine and rooted for [those who later fell away]... There's a caution there for us." - Tony Arsenal "The exhortation built into this is that we need to seek that root. We don't get to determine what kind of soil we are on an ultimate level—that's God's election and his secret providence. But on a horizontal level, in our experience of things, we have agency, we make decisions. We seek to be rooted or unrooted in the gospel." - Tony Arsenal Full Transcript [00:00:36] Introduction and Greetings Jesse Schwamb: Welcome to episode 462 of The Reformed Brotherhood. I am Jesse. Tony Arsenal: And I'm Tony. And this is the podcast of Good Soil. Hey brother. Jesse Schwamb: Hey brother. Well, will you look at us? Look at us. It's finally and officially begun. And that is this conversation. [00:01:00] Kickoff to the Parable Series Jesse Schwamb: This episode is really the kickoff, well, the first parable that we're going through together, starting a long conversation that I think is gonna bear much fruit, if you will. Yes. Maybe 30, maybe 60, maybe a hundred times. Lord willing. It's gonna be great. And we're starting off with a doozy. Yes. Actually, maybe this is like the granddaddy of all the parables because we're gonna hear Jesus tell us something about the word of God and how it's received among different hearers. And this is so fantastic. It's the only place to begin because this is truly some eternally contemporary words. Yeah, it's, this is the parable that's continually verified under our own eyes. Wherever the word of God is preached or expounded and people are assembled to hear it, the sayings of our Lord in this parable are found to be true. It describes what goes on as a general rule in our congregations in the world. Anytime the word of God goes out, what a place to begin. So we're gonna get there. It's gonna be great, don't you worry, dear listener. [00:02:04] Affirmations and Denials Jesse Schwamb: But of course, before we do that, it's our tradition, our word that's spoken is always something in affirmation with something or in denial against something. So I say to you, as I always do, Tony. What do you have for us on this episode? Uh, an affirmation or denial. Tony Arsenal: This is an affirmation. I'll try to keep it nice and short and tight. Uh, I am affirming everything that comes with the fall. It's the air's getting crisp. The season, the, the pumpkin. Yeah. Not, not the fall. With the, let's, let's, let's clarify. I'm affirming everything that comes with autumn. So, uh, the air's crisp, the pumpkin spice is flowing, the leaves are starting to come down. Although, as a New Englander, I feel like I might be a little disappointed this year they're saying that it might not be as vibrant because we've been under a bit of a drought. But, uh, I, I'm all for all of it. Sweaters, gimme like a nice cozy scarf to put on and like a, I don't know, like a stocking cap. Gimme some flannel. I'm just ready to rock and roll. I'm, I'm, I'm done with summer and I'm ready for fall and yeah, that's, that's the whole thing. That's the affirmation. Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. [00:03:09] Autumnal Delights and Debates Jesse Schwamb: Beautiful. It's speaking of like eternally or seasonally contemporary. That is so good. Plus I would say like the fall or autumn. The best adjectives, doesn't it? Yes. Like including like the word ottum. Yes. Like, that's just a great word that we, we do not use enough of. So this season, loved ones dropping a tum in there because Yes. It's just such a good word. Tony Arsenal: And I, I know people hate on the pumpkin spice and uh, there was a rev, I think I've said this before, it's re revolutionized my understanding because I used to get so mad because I was like, this doesn't even taste like pumpkin. It's not pumpkin flavored items, it's pumpkin spiced. Flavored items. So it's the, the spice you would use in pumpkin pie is the spice that they're talking about. So people complain that you're just putting nutmeg in things. And to that, I say yes, that's the point. You just start adding nutmeg or pumpkin spice or cloves or all spice or whatever it might be. The point is we're using the same spices that you would use for making a pumpkin pie or some other sort of fall. Delicious fall. Pumpy squashy, goodness. Jesse Schwamb: You got that right. This is a classic case of don't hate the player. Hate the game. Tony Arsenal: It's true, it's true. And if you don't like it, if you don't like pumpkin spice, then just don't talk to me at all. I'm just kidding. Still get pumpkin spice. Like you can go to Starbucks and get the same, same coffee you always get. You don't have to get pumpkin spice, you don't have to drink pumpkin beer, you don't have to do any of that. The all the stuff is, all the normal stuff is still available. They don't tell you you can't have it. Nobody is opening your mouth and pouring it down your throat. So just calm down, order your normal drip coffee and move on with your life. Jesse Schwamb: Speaking of polarizing autumnal type things, I don't know if we've talked about probably, we have talked about this and I've just forgotten. Where do you land on the whole. Cotton, uh, sorry. Candy corn, not cotton candy, but candy corn. Tony Arsenal: I, I feel like we have talked about this and my perspectives may have changed over the years. I'm not a big fan of candy corn, but I will eat it until I vomit. If you put it in front, I think is the, is the consensus that if there's a bowl of it in front of me, the first thing that I will do is I will break off two little white tips of the ca uh, candy corn and stick them on my fangs and pretend to be vampire. Jesse Schwamb: Beautiful. Tony Arsenal: And then I will eat the remainder of the pound and a half of candy that's in front of me until I throw up. Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. And I know there's some difference between like candy, corn and like the little pumpkin confectionary ones. Yeah. Some people prefer those over others. And then this is not even to talk about the whole debate between when it comes to Reese's Peanut butter cups and Oh yeah. The pumpkin variety of those and No, all that stuff. Tony Arsenal: No. Mm. Jesse Schwamb: No. To those? Tony Arsenal: No, to those. The, the shaped, the shaped, uh, Reese's Peanut butter objects, I suppose they're not cups at that point. Uh, they use a different kind of peanut butter. I dunno if you know that, but they use a different peanut butter. So they, they actually do taste different than the actual didn't know that says peanut butter cups. Um, it's either a different kind of peanut butter or a different kind of chocolate. But one of the primary substances, uh, not in the Aristotelian sense, uh, one of the primary substances is different. And so it does actually taste different. It's not as good. And then the balance between the chocolate and the peanut butter is off. It's, it's not good. I'm a, I'm a peanut butter cup. Uh, I like to say aficionado, but I think probably snob would be a better. A better term for it. Jesse Schwamb: Listen, you'll, you like what you like by the way, only on this podcast, only, I think among long-term listeners, would it be necessary to clarify that you do not mean substance in there was six alien sense. Tony Arsenal: That's true. That's, that's definitely true. Well, Jesse, that is where we are. Enough about my, uh, fall. Uh, food preferences. What are you affirming and or denying? Tonight, [00:07:02] Musical Recommendations Jesse Schwamb: I'm gonna also come along with you on it with the affirmation, and maybe while you're drinking that PSL or you're searching for that candy, corn, you might like, want something to put into your ears that isn't us, that's a little bit more melodic. And so I'm affirming with the, this time and age in which it is all about curation. That's often a lovely thing. I use Spotify for all of my music consumption, and they just fed me like a really interesting playlist that I would never have thought of as a category, but I've really been enjoying, it's called Math Rock. And I saw, and I thought I'm, I'm usually kinda like dubious of the Spotify playlist because like they're kind of out there for me generally. But I thought to myself, well, this is an interesting port man too. Like, I like math. I like rock, and the description was complex rhythms and mesmerizing loops. So I thought, I like complex rhythms. I like loops that continue and mesmerize, so the check it out for yourself. If you're looking for something that's like, it's enough to be interesting while you're working on something, but not too interesting. So that distracts you. This is apparently the jam. So yeah, it's like just really interesting rock oriented, mostly instrumental music that is like. Really motivating, but again, not interesting enough to really distract you from the task at hand if that's not your thing. The other thing I would recommend, I know you'll join me in this, Tony, is that poor Bishop Hooper released a new album this week. It's called The Serpent and the Seed, and this one has a ton of tracks on it, like 18 or so, and it, it as well is a unique mix of both instrumental, really lovely, beautiful pieces and then some that carry more vocal and melodic stuff that's kind of their customary jam. Both of 'em are great. They both do have kind of an an autumnal vibe, if I'm honest. Now I'm thinking about it. It's really the perfect compliment to whatever it is that you're consuming that has that pumpkin spice in it. So math, rock, the serpent and the seed. There you go. Tony Arsenal: I'm trying to synthesize. I mean, math and rock are like two of Jesse's favorite things. So I'm trying to synthesize what it would be like to scream the quadratic equation at someone with some sort of like slightly off cadence, dissonant guitar rift underneath. Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. Tony Arsenal: I feel like there's a Me Without You album out there somewhere that that's exactly what it is. But Jesse Schwamb: yeah, probably there should Tony Arsenal: be at least. Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, there, there absolutely should be. And I'm with you. I'm willing to work on that album. That's a great idea. Like just, it's just an album of mathematical equations and like the deep mysteries of life, you know, listen, math is beautiful. Numbers are stories. There's, there's so much there. Yeah. You had me at Quadratic, so I, I think we've, we've given people a lot to enjoy in this fall season. It's true. Tony Arsenal: I, I. I couldn't solve a quadratic equation to save my entire life at this point. Uh, I took introduction to logic when I got to college 'cause I couldn't remember how to multiply fractions on the entrance exam. That's fair. So that's fair. So that was, that's my experience with math. But right Jesse Schwamb: now the internet wants to keep serving me videos about, you've seen like all these tests, like these entrance exams for like Harvard or like the Ivy Leagues, other Ivy Leagues, and it is all these random things, you know, like we're solving for like two variables, terminally, and there is some kinda like expon explanation to it. Um. Yeah, I guess that's what I've become and I watch 'em all. They honestly get me every time. Yeah. I'm like, I'm not gonna watch that. And then I'm like, oh, I'm definitely gonna watch that. So it just happens. It's great. Tony Arsenal: I love it. Meanwhile, meanwhile, YouTube is desperately trying to get me to watch Season six and Cobra High. And it's very quickly gonna be succeeding. I think the next time Netflix has a, has a promotion where I can get a cheap month or something like that, I will definitely be binging Cobra Kai. So I feel like our YouTube algorithms are very different. Jesse Schwamb: Very different. Yeah. Very different. Certainly in, um, there is a commonality of, of the mysteries of the world and. [00:11:06] Introduction to the Parable of the Sower Jesse Schwamb: In some way, that's what we're talking about in this entire series. And yeah, if for some reason you didn't hear a conversation from two weeks ago where we really set the table, I think for what a parable is, why Jesus uses parables. As far as I remember, you correct if I'm wrong, it was the definitive conversation about why the parable is not just peace wise in Jesus' teaching, but really why it's the centerpiece. Yeah, we talked about that at great length. So now we're really ready to go. If you didn't hear that, I highly recommend you go back and hear that. 'cause there's so much. I realize as we, we looked at this parable of the sower or better like the parable of the soils, that we could do a whole series on just this bad boy. Such not just like wide interpretation, but wide application. So much for us to really chew on and then to really come back to and chew the could. So we're gonna have to be probably every time a little bit self-editing and brief. So if you're just yelling at your device, why aren't you talking about this thing? There's a great place for you to yell into or maybe just calmly and very politely suggest rather than the void, you can join our Telegram group. Telegram is just an app for, it's kind of a conversational tool and platform, and if you're looking for it and I know that you are, don't, why would you even fool yourself? It's, you can find it by going to T Me Reform Brotherhood. There's a whole channel, there's a bunch of channels there, a bunch of little conversations that we have compartmentalize. There's one just to talk about the episode. So as we go through this, my encouragement to everybody is track with us, get your scriptures out. Come along with us in the actual journey of processing this. Do spend some time processing it with us. And then when there is inevitably that thing, they're like, why didn't you talk about this? You know, a great place to converse with others and us about that would be in the Telegram Chat. So T Me Reform Brotherhood. So enough of that, let's get to it. Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. And you know, there's, there's some, um, there's some logic that would say we should have just rather than doing an Introduction to Parables episode, we should have just done the parable, because this parable does really follow, it really does form like an introduction to all of Christ's parabolic teachings. And, you know, it's, no, it's no, um, mystery either in God's providence or just in Matthew as being a, a, you know, somewhat genius level composer of, of a work of literature in putting this parable first, because you're absolutely right at the top of the show that this parable really is. Almost like the hermeneutical key for all of the parables. Not just for in terms of like understanding the parables, it doesn't do that so much. But in understanding the purpose of the parables and more importantly, explicitly in the middle of this, Christ explains why he teaches in parables. So we covered that a lot last time, so we're not gonna, we're gonna skip over that middle section 'cause we don't need to rehash that. But this really is the granddaddy of all the parables. It it is, um. It is Christ's teaching on why he uses parables in action. It's the application of his own theology, of parables, if you want to call it that. Uh, in principle. And he is gracious enough that in this very first parable, he actually gives us the interpretation, right, which is, is not entirely unique, um, in, in the gospels, but it is not always the norm. There are a fair number of parables where Christ just drops the parable and leaves it there, um, for both his immediate listeners to figure out and then also for us to figure out. We're not given the inspired interpretation, but this one we are given the inspired interpretation. And Jesse, I had to laugh because, um. Just as you get really, really upset and worked, worked up about when people say Christ's body broken for you. Uh, it just drives me nuts when people call this the parable of the soils. 'cause Christ gives it a name, right? So, so we'll talk about that too. And I, I'm, I'm mostly playing, like, I'm not gonna jump through the screen at you or anything like that, but that's the, one of the other unique features of this parable is that it's given it's, it's given a name. Um, and that's part of the interpretation is that in most cases, parables have a primary figure or a primary point that's being made. And if you get that primary point wrong or that primary figure wrong, um, you tend to get the rest of the parable wrong. In this case, Christ graciously tells us who the parable is about or what the parable is about, and then later on when we get to the, the next parable or a couple parables down, um, he actually tells us more about the parable through some other teaching as well. [00:15:38] Reading and Analyzing the Parable Tony Arsenal: So, Jesse, do you have that text in front of us? Do you wanna go ahead and read that first chunk? That's the parable itself. Jesse Schwamb: I do, let's do it by the way. Uh, maybe somebody should keep track. Here's a fun little game of how many times we say parable or parabolic. And of course, whenever I hear parabolic, I always think, of course there is like something of great hyperbole or allegory, but I often think of, uh, parabola, which to your point, Tony, I think you're just doing this for my sake now, and I love, this is an exponent oriented equation. Of course, it's a like a canonical section, which can only be creative mathematically by pronunciation again. So thank you for that. I thought you just did that for me, so Tony Arsenal: I have no idea what you just said. You might as well have been speaking like Hindu. Jesse Schwamb: It's fantastic. Well, let's, let's get to the actual, the best word, the word of life. And this is from Matthew chapter 13. Beginning just at the start of the chapter. That same day, Jesus went out of his, uh, house and sat beside the sea and, and great crowds gathered about him so that he got into a boat and sat down and the whole crowd stood on the beach. And he told them many things in parables saying. A sower went out to sow. And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path and the birds came and devoured them. Other seeds fell on rocky ground where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprung up since they had no depth of soil. But when the sun rose, they were scorched. And since they had no roots, they were it away. Other seeds fell among thorns and the thorns grew up and choked them. Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain. Some a hundred fold, some 60, some 30. He who has ears, let him hear. Tony Arsenal: Yeah. So on a surface level here, the, the parable is straightforward, right? We have a very straightforward picture, which is, is common for most of the parables, that it's not some sort of unusual, crazy out there situation that's being described. It's a common scenario from everyday life, uh, that doesn't tend to have sort of like. Mythological legendary kinds of characteristics. We have a simple farmer who is out sowing his seeds. Um, some of the commentaries we'll point out, and I don't, I dunno how accurate this is or isn't, but I, I saw it in, in a couple different commentaries. So I'm inclined to, to believe it that our model of farming, uh, in sort of a western world or, or maybe not western world, but in a more, I dunno, technologically advanced world, is to teal the ground till the ground first, Jesse Schwamb: right? Tony Arsenal: And then to scatter seed. And it was much more common in the ancient world to actually scatter the seed kind of, uh, promiscuously and then till the ground. Um, I don't know the reasons for that. I'm not a horticulturist, but, um. The, the, one of the critiques that I've heard, and it's funny when people try to critique Jesus is 'cause they're always proven wrong, but one of the critiques I've heard is like, no farmer whatever would ever do this. Like, no, no sower would ever just throw seed on the ground, but this actually is the way they would've done farming. So he's, he's taking an everyday scenario that everyone would've been familiar with. Right. Nobody would've been like, oh yeah, that doesn't make any sense. They would've just said, oh yeah, of course you just throw the seed on the ground and then you come back around later and you do what you need to do. So it, it was really a scenario where some of the seed would've fallen on the path. And we're not talking about like a road next to the farm, but a lot of times the, the field had sort of, um. They're probably called like convenience trails is what they're called now. But people would travel through the, through the paths, and so there would be an area that's already walked, walked on that's a little bit easier to traverse. And eventually that area would turn into a pathway. So it was, it was kind of turned into sort of like hard clay turf that you couldn't get the seed into anyways. And then there would've been areas where, um, there was rocks under the surface. Most of our fields that our farm fields have been tilled and prepared and have been worked over, that the stones had been removed. But it wasn't always like that in the ancient world. And then you would've had areas where there was, uh, there was other vegetation, thorns, weeds, other kinds of plants that would've made, made it difficult for the crop to sprout and to bear fruit. So we have a very common scenario. There's nothing surprising about this. There's nothing out of the ordinary. It's just a simple farming metaphor that Christ employs here. Jesse Schwamb: And in some ways that's very consistent of course, because we have these very ordinary, normal things that God is using as a means of explanation for something that is very extraordinary, very supernatural. So we have the natural coming into play, not just as a representation, but to really demonstrates, illustrates and impound both in structure and form. This idea of what it means for the gospel to be communicated. And I'm with you, my understanding is in most ancient world. Those, those fields, we tend to think of them as fields and often the reference that way were like more like these narrow strips of land separated by these paths and you have this farmer casting the seed like very liberally. And not only that, but I think what's interesting right on the face. Is we see that there are basically four potential outcomes here and only one of those outcomes, 'cause we're already understanding this to mean the sowing of the sea, which is the word of life, which is the gospel message. Only one of those outcomes results in kingdom growth. There's a ratio of three to one. There's three times as many poor outcomes. In other words, there's all of these various ways in which we find that the seed is not rejected or does not result in the intended fruit. But there is just one path, one narrow kind of way in which it does result, and then it results in kind of various outcomes in terms of like the magnitude of the fruit or the plants that result from this planting. But as a result of that. I think what's really interesting to me right on the face is that we're seeing, like you said, there is a sower. He's casting the seed deliberately, he's coming on the path and he's just throwing it out. And in that narrow strip of land, there are all these different soils. And so right away we see if you're, if you're a farmer, you're understanding something about, it's not about the skill of the farmer in the casting of the seed. It's not even about the, the skill of the seed to grow. It's about the soil itself. And so again, we have this as three times as many potentially poor outcomes as there are for the one that results in this grand harvest. Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. And the one thing about this that might be, might have been, and, and again, some of the commentators are, are split on this, but might have been a sort of unexpected, um, element. And, and this is something we do see with, uh, with the parables, is there's usually some sort of, um. Unexpected or dramatic or turn of events kind of element, usually towards the end of a parable that would make, would, should be a subversion of expectations. Right? Right. And so the, in this instance, um, a yield of 30 times or, or 60 times or a hundred times, all of those yields would be crazy high yields. Um, you know, I, I, I think there are some plants, some of the commentators will make, make a point that there are some plants where like a 30. A 30 yield is normal. Um, but a 30 or a 60 or a hundred times yield of a crop is, is not the expectation. And so I think in, in a scenario like this, the reader or the listener is prepped by the fact that there are three, uh, negative outcomes and only one favorable outcome. To assume that the crop yield is not going to be great. Right? And then the reality is the crops that do sprout the crops that land on the good soil or the seed that lands on the good soil. Not only is it productive, it's so productive that it actually outpaces and kind of compensates for the lack of productivity or the lack of fruitfulness of the other three. So it's, it's three different, uh, it's four possible outcomes and then three levels of fruitfulness. And so this parable does sort of cause the listener or the hearer to think about, um, and start, you know, from the very outset, think about what does, what does it mean that the seed landed on the path and was stolen away by the birds? What does it mean that it sprouted quickly and uh, but didn't have roots and so it withered away in the sun? And what does it mean that, you know, it sprouted among thorns and so it couldn't bear fruit. And then I think the implied, um, the implied question that's being forced here because the parable does start out, you know, saying there was the sower, the sower, um. Sowed this seed out. He doesn't introduce this the same way he normally, he normally does or commonly does, right? Jesus often will start the peril ball by saying something like, the kingdom of God is like, right? Or you know this. This is like that. This, he just starts out saying like, a sower was out in the, in the field sowing seed. So the, the listener is not primed to know what the comparison is necessarily, but I think part of that is that now they're forced to ask what is the comparison? And I don't think it's much of a stretch. And again, this is why parables are so kind of paradoxical is it's not a difficult, when we get to the interpretation, it's not difficult to see the interpretation. Right, right. It's, it's easy to understand that the parable here, the metaphor is, is different reactions of, of some sort to. To a given thing, right? It's, it's different reactions to an investment of some sort. There's an investment of seed and in some instances it just doesn't take, in other instances, it takes and it doesn't sprout, and in other instances it sprouts, but it never fruits. So when we get to the interpretation, Jesus is gonna give us the clarity of what that investment is, and then who are, or what are the outcomes and what do they mean? In, in our, you know, in our thought process of what the kingdom of God is like. Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, so let's do it then. [00:25:44] Understanding the Soils Jesse Schwamb: 'cause what we've got here is we basically have, each soil is representing some type of here. So we've got four heres but only one true believer. So it's probably behooves us to go through all of them and really kind of chat through. And maybe what we can do is try to bring some of our own practical application to each of these. I've been really meditating and pondering that, trying to think if this is practical for us, then how can we understand how each of these are being manifest all around us? And of course the intention here is not to like name people that we think fall into each of these four little groups, but more so to think about how we might understand people who do fall into each of these groups. And that is to say that. Each one of these, well, the, the first three rather, that these ones in which they're, the soil is in some degree suboptimal. I, I don't know that it means that it's always that way, for instance. So we might think of people that fall into those categories, but the Lord may be moving or working in them to move them into that fourth category. And of course, he's done that with ourselves, so we know that that's exactly how he operates. Um, and it's, I think it's good for us to remember that. I think there's a lot that's scary about this first soil, this idea that. The seed just bounces. So we get no uptake whatsoever in this one. But the other ones, at least you get a little satisfaction that there's some kind of reception. There is a receipt of that word. And the reason why I find this one to be so troubling is because these who hear it in the first case, they don't understand and they don't esteem it. And Christ is very clear to say that the seed itself doesn't sit there long. It bounces. So there's a, there is a literal hardness. That's reflected in that clay soil or that path, which is down trotted. And it's hard because of perhaps this constant lack of belief, this constant and unrepentant hearts or lifestyle, but it would be enough if it just kinda bounced off and sat there. But the fact that it's snatched away that the birds come and take it away, that Satan himself has an active and powerful role in influencing all of those who are hearing this word. And I think that hardness of heart may not just be manifest in, say, like an unrepentant lifestyle or this kind of clench fist against God on the inside, which is of course true of the natural man. But more than that, that anything that would take us away from true belief. So that is even any kind of our religious system or belief, any kind of philosophy, any kind of other worldview I think is in mind here because we know the devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. And so. What he's doing in that sometimes happens first and foremost in the mind, manifested in the heart and then in our behaviors. So if he's stealing away this word by replacing it with something that is false, that is not true, that destroys, that pulls us away and moves us away, then this is very scary. He has a real power, which we talked about. I don't know, like maybe six or so episodes ago. It's worth listening to, I think. And so what I find here that is really traumatizing upfront is the involvement in particular of the sinful man under his own mean estate. That is, that it's clear that the natural man cannot conceive of the things of God without regeneration, and Jesus makes it abundantly clear. He's, he's basically saying what Paul says later on in First Corinthians when he writes, the natural person does not accept the things of the spirit of God, does not accept them. So again, there's no agreement. There's no, even an intellectual ascent does not accept the things of the spirit of God for they are folly to him and he's not able to understand them because they're spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one for who is understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him. But we have the mind of Christ, so there is no mind of Christ, which is, it's a horrible way to live life. And so in that space we have both the natural man, his total depravity, unable to pull himself up by his theological bootstraps or philosophical bootstraps or his intellectual emotional bootstraps to even discern what the way in which the world really actually is. And then in in, I say in addition to that, we have the devil himself waging war and attacking by pulling away that seed. Tony Arsenal: Yeah. And I have a little bit of a different take on this and I think this is what I am looking forward to in this series. Is there, there is gonna be. [00:30:01] Understanding the Parable of the Sower Tony Arsenal: Different, uh, different understandings that probably all fall and are all compatible, but all fall within a acceptable range of understanding. Here, you know, I, in, in reading some of the commentaries, Calvin makes the point that all four of these different types of seed represent people who in some sense are open to the gospel. They're, they're open to, he, he makes the point that this is not talking about the, the person who like refuses to hear the gospel at all, who like won't even come into the church. This is a person predominantly who is, is exposed to the word in some sense, probably in view as someone who's among the people of God who's in the, in the, in the physical body of the people of God who's among Christians or among those hearing the word. And for whatever reason, the, the, the seed doesn't, uh, it doesn't even get into the soil. Right, and he compares, Christ compares, um, this not to somebody who is hardhearted, but to someone who doesn't understand, right? That there's an intellectual element to this, right? You think of, um, you know, you think of somebody who hears the scripture and probably understands outwardly what it means, but doesn't ever comprehend it internally. They don't ever really, they don't ever really let it penetrate into their, into their hearts. Um, so it's been sewn into their hearts, but it doesn't actually take root in their hearts in any other sense. [00:31:38] The Role of the Soil in Receiving the Word Tony Arsenal: And this is what's a little bit different from, from the other ones that we're gonna see in all of the other cases. The seed takes root, Jesse Schwamb: right? Tony Arsenal: It actually penetrates the ground and begins to grow. Um, it, this is a seed that never even makes it that far. And so it may not be someone who has like a, who necessarily has like a closed fist. I hate the gospel. I hate everything about God, but for some reason they're just not. And when we say for some reason I'm talking, obviously I'm talking la you know, horizontally. Um, we know that the reason that they don't have an open heart is 'cause the Holy Spirit is not open to their heart. But for whatever earthly temporal reason, the word just doesn't penetrate. It bounces off of them. It just doesn't get there. Not necessarily because they're outwardly hostile to it. They just maybe are not interested in it. And so this is where I think that. Along with the evil one, snatching it away. That's actually like one in the same thing. Is, is part of what I think this is getting at is that the, the, the only reason that the, um, that Satan can snatch away the word from their heart or what has been sewn into their heart is because their heart has not received it. And so it's that sort of dual function and, and maybe it's kind of like, almost like, uh, in Exodus, you know, God hardening the heart and then Pharaoh hardening the heart and those two things are happening, you know, by means of concurs that God is doing it in a divine sense. I almost feel like this is an instance where kind of like the, the census or, or with job where Satan is the one who is doing it, but it's ultimately attributed to God as well. It's the hardening of the heart, but it's also the hardness of heart. Um, all of those things are playing a dynamic, but ultimately the point here is that there are those who the word is preached to. [00:33:30] The Sower's Responsibility and the Soil's Condition Tony Arsenal: Um, you know, we will find out in, in a little bit later, like, the sower is Christ in, in these parables here. It's not, it's not generally the sowing of the word. It's Christ who is sowing the word. It's the son who is sowing, uh, the seed of the word. And we can think about that either during his own ministry. This certainly was, um, was true of his own ministry on Earth, that there were some who just did not receive the word and they just, it just bounced off of them. But then also as the son sows the seed through his people, down through the church age, through history, whether it's in the Lord's Day service or personal, witnessing, personal, you know, um, evangelism, it's still God who is sowing the seed. It's still the Lord who is the sower of the seed. But even in that context, there are still some who just don't receive it. So I think what you said earlier is really, is really spot on. This parable is not about. The skill of the sower or even the efficacy of the seed. Right. And I think sometimes people read this and they, they look at it as though it is actually the sewer's fault. What a dumb sower. He sowed it on the path. Of course it's not gonna take root. That's not the point of the parable at all. The point of the parable, and we learn it just right, this very first one, is that it has to do with the, the soil itself. Which is why, you know, I, I kind of joke about calling it the parable of the soils, and that's a fine way to refer to it. And most of these parables could have multiple different, you know, accurate titles as well. But the point of the parable, or the main point of the parable is that the soil itself is what determines the outcome. Again, you know, we, we don't need to get into all the theological details of how the soil becomes, what the soil is. This show has the word reformed in the title. You can figure out that we're gonna say, well, God is the one that prepares the soil. And that also just fits with the, with the a parable here, right? The good soil is only good because it's been tilled and prepared by the sower ahead of time, right? So I think that's, that's spot on. And, and you know, as I think about the people I know in my life, um, it's very easy to get discouraged when you try to so seed to, to follow through on the metaphor when you try to so seed and it feels like it bounces off. But we shouldn't be surprised at that. We shouldn't be surprised when someone is just not interested because Christ in his very first parable tells us there are people out there like that. That doesn't mean you don't sow the seed, it doesn't mean you don't continue to spread the seed the way that the sower does. And the reason for that is that some of it is going to take, take root, some of it is going to take root and bear fruit and you are not in charge and you don't control which one does which. We don't see the sower in this parable meticulously only identifying the good soil and only planting the seeds there. He does promiscuously spread this, so this seed everywhere that he can. [00:36:26] The Reality of Hardheartedness Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, there is something there that I think is comfortable about this hardness of the soil, because I think sometimes we underestimate that the normative position of man is to be antagonistic toward God. That's not to say like we're talking about in their every action they take, they're going to refuse to hear the gospel or they're going to fight vehemently or out outwardly against it. But it's true that everywhere we find the scriptures, whether it's this other metaphor about God, again, doing this great surgery, of taking out this height of stone, which is of course hardheartedness or whether we go to like Romans three, where Paul says that there's no one who understands, there's no one who seeks God. So we understand that the default position is, one, nobody's seeking after God. Two, that God is too threatening to us. He threatens ourself. He threatens our ego, he threatens our own way. He threatens our contingency, all of which we try to fight against, like to our own dismay. And you know, basically. You know, it's willing, suspension of disbelief. But it's interesting and I think comforting here that what he's saying is, is exactly what you've just said, which is do not he, he'd almost say like loved ones. Do not be surprised when you find that people are just not that interested. They're just not into the gospel. Because your default position is to be a gospel abuser. To be a covenant breaker. And so because of that, there's just a natural hardness. And that hardness, I think he has to draw out. He has to say it's gonna bounce and Satan's gonna snatch it away because it would be, it's too easy to look at those who are just like vehemently opposed to the gospel that wanna debate. You wanna shut you down, wanna yell at you, wanna put signs in your face, wanna spit on you. That's too easy to be like, well, of course. Those people are not gonna receive it. But what about the quiet people who just don't care? Or, yeah. What about the people who are too caught up in their way of life or their simple behaviors or their patterns, or again, just what? What about those? What about the Mormons? When they come to your door and you can speak into your blue in the face about what Paul says, like the gospel plus anything is anathema, and they're just kinda like, yes. Yeah. Totally. That's fine. Totally down with that. And you're like, yeah, but you're doing, you're doing that very thing. This is great comfort to know that even those situations where you're not at war explicitly with somebody, that it's still comforting to know that this is going to happen. And also I think it's a great reminder that apart from God, apart from that changing of the soil, as you said, Tony, we would be those same people. That's in fact where we start. I, I don't say that. Like there's a progression here. We find in the, from moving from one to four. There is though something like you've said, where it's just interesting that Jesus shows us the very kind of shades of this. And I think, again, we gotta get out of our head like the, the temporality of this or like, well, what length of time are we talking about? Like when we get to the second one, which we should move on to. And there is some sprouting of the seed. Like how much time are we talking about? Like if it's two weeks, are they in camp two, if it's three weeks, are they moved out of that into some other, one of the other schools? Uh, I think it's just to show us that there are really, again, four hearers, one believer, and we can see clearly what the one believer looks like. It's a little bit more difficult to maybe sometimes discern what the other three look like, but it gives us hope and encouragement and basically just a sense of like, this is the way the world works. To know pres positionally, that when we go out, and like you said, I love this already, this is a major theme, is speak the gospel to all people. I mean, in this way, the gospel is for all people. Because Jesus' saying, do not cast the seed here. Go and look at that narrow path and find out, try to keep it off the, the hard ground. Do not let the devil snatch it up. It just says, throw and seed, throw and seed. And so we have to keep doing that stuff. [00:40:10] The Challenge of Shallow Roots Jesse Schwamb: So let's get to number two. What, what? Yeah. What say? Yeah. Tony Arsenal: Let me read it here. This is in verse, uh, 20 and 21. Here. It says, as for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy. Yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while. And when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the world, immediately he falls away. So thi this is the person who, um, who has some sort of outward conversion experience, right? It's a person who receives the word, he receives it with joy, um, and appears to sprout, right? This is seed that has taken hold and has, uh, you know, the, the, and we, we can see that it has taken hold. So it's not just some hidden seed that has roots and never breaks the surface. Right. It's a, it's a, it's a plant that has made its way into the soil. It has taken roots of some sort. Um, but the roots are shallow. The roots never actually get, uh, deep enough to, to be able to survive the sun, right. In the, the original parable, it's, it's baked by the sun. And, you know, this is, um, I think what what we're gonna see is maybe to sort of preface your question, and I think probably this is gonna be one of those two parter episodes, even though we planned it to be one parter episode. Um, I think what we're gonna see here is that you can't actually know whether someone is. The hard rocks is the rocks or the thorns. Right? Un until, until all is said and done. Right. Right. And that's part of what's difficult is you, you want to look at a parable like this, and this is where I think maybe this is a good sort of like caution against overinterpreting, the parables, right? Christ is not trying to give us a rubric to identify who is what. Jesse Schwamb: Right. He's Tony Arsenal: not trying to give us like a litmus test to say like, that person is the hard soil. That person is the rocks. That person is the thorns. And you know, this reminds me, I, I recall, I, I dunno how many years ago, it was a couple years ago when Kanye West was going through his like Jesus phase, right? And he, everyone was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that Kanye is a Christian and he's writing this album called Jesus. Jesus Saves. And, and I, I just remember saying at the time, like, guys, there's a parable of the soils here. Like we should be. Um, we should be joyful that it, it appears that this seed is taking root, but there are lots of different outcomes when the seed takes root. And it's funny because I, I don't, I don't remember what episode this was and please don't go look it up 'cause that's a waste of everyone's time. But I remember when that conversation happened and I don't know whether there was an affirmation or a denial or what context came up in, but I remember contrasting him to Justin Bieber. And it's ironic, right, because I actually just read on Twitter today. Let me see if I can find the post during the next time you're talking. Justin Bieber posted this really amazing, theologically astute, mature kind of statement on Twitter today. And I think at the time, if you had asked me, um, is Kanye more likely to be the good soil or Justin Bieber to be the good soil, I would've said Kanye. Right? Just because he's, he was older, he is a little bit more established in himself. Um. Justin Bieber was still very young. He was, he was sort of like all over the place personality wise. He seemed to be changing radically. And it just goes to show like, you can't tell. And, and I'm not even saying right now like, this is, this is where it gets difficult. I'm not even saying right now, Justin Bieber is good soil, although I did right. Retweet his quote and did hashtag good soil. Almost aspirationally, right? But we can take a look at someone's life in retrospect and say, this person is bearing fruit, or this person is not bearing fruit. And, and that's really where this particular, um, type of soil goes. It's not so much the fruit, it's the sprout. And I think when we look at a situation like Kanye and, and. There's hopefully still a lot of life left for Kanye, and that means there's still hope for a con, a genuine conversion and bearing fruit that keeps with repentance that does not appear to be what had happened at the time. Right? He's gone totally off the rails at this point. So we pray for that. We hope, we hope for better things for him. Um, but. At the time, Kanye was, is he, he's going by Y now. I don't even know what to call him anymore. But Kanye was a sprout that grew up with great joy quickly. And what we found through time is that it appears that he, when he was, although maybe he fits better into the second, this next category that we'll have to push off till next week, I think. But either way, like he appeared to have sprouted, he appeared to have taken root and ultimately did not actually bear fruit. And that's the defining feature of these first three ones. It's not so much about what happens with the seed. Does it get in the ground? Does it not get in the grow? Does it sprouts, does it not sprout? It's ultimately about the fruitfulness, right? The final, the final phase of the parable, the final, um, the final type of soil is the one that produces fruit. So we'll get to that in detail, but that's what we need to think about. And again, like I said, it's not as though crisis saying like, all right, here's this checklist of ways to determine whether someone's conversion is correct, is true or not. Because we can't know that until after the fact and well after the fact. We also can't know that it's valid until after the fact. What I think this parable, broadly speaking, gets at is that we have to look at every situation and realize that there are these different possible outcomes. And although I don't know that this is explicitly part of the parable, it also sort of points us to the fact that like, because it's not a foregone conclusion about what's gonna happen, maybe there's also something we can do about it. Right? Right. Maybe when we realize someone might be on the rocky soil. Whether we, we have some reason to believe that or we just want to get out in front of that possibility, maybe there's still room to actually get in there and, and move the seed to a different soil, I guess might be a better way to use the metaphor is to, to just take the seed somewhere else or to till the soil, to get the rocks out of the soil. Although this is not talking about like rocks in the soil. It's talking about a layer, probably a layer of bedrock. Like Yes, exactly. Just under the surface. Jesse Schwamb: Right? So Tony Arsenal: there is an immutability about these, these different categories of, of people, and again, this is where like overinterpreting, the parable can get to be problematic, but we, we see that there are these categories, we can't necessarily know which one of these categories a person is in when they have some sort of outward expression of faith where they've received. I think we can tell the difference between that first category. Someone who just has not received the, the gospel at all, has not received the word of God at all, right? Like it's just bounced off of him. It's made no impact. I think we can see that that's a relatively straightforward, um, situation for us to assess. And of course we can't see someone's heart, but it's, it's usually pretty outwardly, readily available to us that they just have not received the word in any means. Right. When we get to these second two categories, that's not the case. We're talking about two different categories of people who have received the word and it has begun to sprout. It has begun, it actually has sprouted, not just begun to sprout, but it's sprouted. Um, I just think we need to be really careful to sort of not place someone in an immutable category until after we've seen what's gonna happen. Yes. Really across their whole life. Jesse Schwamb: Yes. [00:47:41] The Importance of Deep Roots in Faith Jesse Schwamb: I'm glad you brought that up because we really have to remember that in the last three instances, you cannot tell from the soil what the outcome will be. So it is a little bit, I'm with you, kind of a misnomer in the translation. This idea of like rocky soil. Yeah. If it were truly like rocky soil, the way that probably most of us in the Western think of it like soil mixed with gravel, right? They're probably, the sewer would be like, why would I throw it on there like that? That doesn't make any sense. Certainly again, if you're looking for that, that really fertile, well tilled ground, the one that looks promising, you wouldn't do that. So more than likely, I'm with you. We're talking about like a hired limestone layer that would've been like a few inches below, and as the sun would come down, my understanding is of course, like that limestone would heat up. It'd be like the perfect warm environment for like a seed to immediately like spring up with some hope. And that's exactly I think what Jesus is after here. It's this idea that the seed springs up immediately. People receive the message with joy. There's been no root or development to deeper moist soil though, because it doesn't exist. It gets blocked out. But inci incidentally, like the heat of that rock bed actually is the thing that causes it to germinate and produce at least a sprout really, really quickly. But as soon as like any kind of other heat comes upon it, because it cannot not grow deeper because it cannot set the roots, because it cannot get enough water from deep down, then it's going to be quick to die. I think we see this all the time. Maybe we even see this to some degree, not exclusively and in the same kind of magnitude in our own lives. But you know, we may listen to a sermon with pleasure while the impression produced in us is like only temporary, short-lived. You know, our hearts can be like that stony ground. Sometimes it may yield like a plentiful cop clap of warm feelings and like good resolutions and good vibes. How often do we hear that language? But all this time, there may be no deeply rooted work in our souls. And that first like cold blast of oppression or temptation may cause like all of that to go away. What I see interpret it from this particular group and, and this the one that follows it very much the same is like a conversion to religion. So here where this is where I firmly, like, I think we have a class, and this might trigger some people, but I'm gonna say it anyway. We have a class for this to me is deconstructionism. Yeah. And I think what I've, I've been helpful for me is to get outta my mind is that. I'm not sure that we have to be so concerned in this, this metaphor or this great parable about like what's the length of time here? So for instance, is it possible that somebody could be in this place where there is this hard layer of rock, which presents like a setting down of deep roots that could last like years on end. Yeah, where somebody has heard the gospel message has come into the life of the church and finds that this is generally a pleasant way to believe and to live and to express these ideals until maybe they have a strong voice somewhere or they're confronted with the fact that this, their message now is not very tolerant. And so as soon as there comes against them, this push that maybe what you're saying is too exclusive, that all of a sudden there really is a manifestation that there's no real root there. Yeah, there was no conversion. There was a conversion to religious principle and ideas and insomuch as those things didn't push too much against whatever objectives they had. Not even like going after what happens in the the third instance here with all the pleasures of life and all the temptations of the flesh, but just that there is some challenge. To what they believe and that it would be continually lived out in their actual lives, meaningful enough that it would impact behavior, change their mind, and continue to make them outspoken about the thing in which they're setting their roots into that if those things would cause the death of. That sprouts, then to me, that's where we find deconstruction isn't falling. And so in that case, again, it's comforting because it's not a matter of actual conversion as it were. It's not a matter of actual regeneration that hasn't actually occurred. There's plenty of reasons to come alongside and to give the gospel some kind of favor or to give it some kind of acquiescence because it's good on its own. There are lots of things that are good about it, but the rootedness in that is not merely in the outward manifestations of all the benefits of the gospel. It is getting Christ, as we've said. Yeah. And if we're not abiding in Christ, then we will necessarily die. In fact, Christ says elsewhere when he speaks to himself that even every bad branch that does not bear fruit, the father prunes and throws away. And so here we find that happening. It's, this is traumatic, it is dramatic, but this is where I think we see oftentimes Christians really get unnerved and sometimes it really, I think, rocks them when they see people who've had, like you said, Tony, like some professional faith. And I remember us talking about Kanye, and I remember us saying like, I think you and I were cautiously optimistic. We said like, this is fantastic. God does this very thing where he transforms people. And then we see in the long term, in the long run, the manifestation of that transformation, not in just merely as sinner's prayer or some expression of knowing something about the gospel intellectually, but the living it out so that the plant itself grows up in Christ to know of his great love, and then to share and abide in that love where it bears fruit. And so here I find this again, to be just very comforting because I think we see this a lot and our nerves, a lot of Christians, but I think Christ is giving an example here to say, do not be a unnerved by this. [00:53:10] Encouragement for Sowers and Believers Tony Arsenal: Yeah, maybe one last thought and then we, we can push pause until next week when we come back to this parable. Is. I think it's, there's two words in this, um, this little, these two verses here that really stick out to me. There's the, the word immediately, right? Yes. He immediately receives it with joy. That word is repeated later on when he immediately falls away. So there is a, um, there's a, a sense of suddenness to this, to this kind of, I'm using quotation marks if you're not watching the YouTube to this quotation or this, um, conversion experience, right? I think we all know people who have kind of the slow burn conversion experience, right? That's not to say that those people may not be, um, on hard soil or rocky soil. Right. But the, the person that we're talking about in that crisis talking about is the person who hears the word and has every appearance of an outward, radical, outward conversion of joy. And then joy is the second word that that shows up here. One of the things that drives me crazy, you know, maybe just to, to riff off the, the deconstruction, um, narrative a little bit is it drives me crazy when some sort of, um, high profile Christian falls away from the faith or deconstructs or falls, you know, into deep sin and then abandons the faith or has a tragedy happened in their life and whatever reason they abandon the faith. There's this tendency particularly among, I, I think sort of. I don't know if like, there still are young restless reform Christians out there, but I think it's still a valid descriptor. Kind of like the, I'm trying not to be pejorative, but sort of like the surface level tulip is what I call them, like the five point Calvinists who like heard an RC sprawl sermon one time and think that they are like the def, they're the definition of Calvinism. There's this tendency among that demographic that when somebody falls away from the faith to act as though everything about their experience of Christianity was somehow like an act like it was a, it was a, it was a play they were putting on, they were deceiving everybody. Right. That's that's not real. It's not the, it's not the way that it actually works and, and. I think the, um, the flip side and the caution for us in that is that just because our experience of Christianity and our, our experience of being in the faith feels so genuine and real and rooted, we should also recognize that like it felt real and genuine and rooted for Derek Webb or for name, name your key, you know, Joshua Harris, name your big profile deconstruction person of the day. Um, there's a caution there for us and I think that's the caution here in this, um, in this, I dunno, part of the parable is. Just as this is saying, the reason that the person falls away immediately is because there is no root in them yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, he immediately falls away, right? The cause of this is because there is no route that ca

We're listening to pale horse songs of a slow decline, and sideshow words if the songs don't mind. mewithoutYou's manager, Mike Almquist, returns to cover their sixth LP for its 10th anniversary. We have a lot to discuss and discover on this pivotal record, but let's keep that silly punchline between me and you, Little Haroon, and the man in the moon.If you like what you hear, please rate, review, subscribe, and follow!Connect with us here:Email: contact@churchjamsnow.comSite: https://www.churchjamsnow.com/IG: @churchjamsnowTwitter: @churchjamsnowFB: https://www.facebook.com/churchjamsnowpodcastPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/churchjamsnowpodcast

With members spread across Connecticut and Western Massachusetts, New England quintet Arms Like Roses play a blend of emo, indie rock, and post-hardcore that alternates between lush beauty and cathartic harshness just like the seasons do in the region they call home. With a sound harkening back to the ‘90s and early 2000s influenced by acts like Sunny Day Real Estate, mewithoutYou, Circa Survive, and Tigers Jaw, ALR made their debut in 2021 with the EP “Get Some Sleep”; they followed it up the next year with their Chris Teti (TWIABP)-produced first LP “Blooming”, which saw the band complete several east coast and Midwest tours and receive praise from press outlets like No Echo and The Alternative. Thanks for listening!!! Please Follow us on Instagram @hiddentracks99Pre and Post roll music brought to you by @sleepcyclespa

We've got more of Liam. A lot more. Mostly him. Jesus, mewithoutyou, Philly. It's all here. Also he leaves to pee at one point.Check out more of Liam at Cinepunx and Cinema Smorgasbord.Want more about mewithoutyou and lefty christianity? Check out Jennifer's companion blog,mewithoutYou might be the reason I'm still a Christian.Want something completely different from someone who lives in Philly but spent a few days in Milwaukee and Fargo? I put up my video zine I made with Bucko Crooks/The Smudge on gumroad,the Arbitrary Art. Available as a DVD, a full asinine little fry container thing with some additional ephemera, or a pay what you wish digital download.One more episode with Liam next week whenever I have time again. I don't remember what we talked about, so it'll be new to both of us.

This week Jeremy interviews Aaron Weiss of the band mewithoutYou Part 2 of a special 2 part conversation! In this second half, Jeremy and Aaron talk working with J. Robbins, the Dischord House, incorporating new elements into their music with Brad Wood, Tooth and Nail Records, vocal lessons, faith, forgiveness, and so much more! SUBSCRIBE TO THE PATREON for a bonus episode where Aaron answered questions that were submitted by subscribers! Follow the show on INSTAGRAM and The Website Formerly Known as Twitter

This week Jeremy interviews Aaron Weiss of the band MeWithoutYou Part 1 of a special 2 part conversation! In this half, Jeremy and Aaron talk Upper Darby, the Tower Theater, hugging Morrissey, Def Leppard, Billy Joel, straight edge, Hot Topic, air drums, touring with The Juliana Theory, having children changing his mindset, and so much more!!! SUBSCRIBE TO THE PATREON for a bonus episode where Aaron answered questions that were submitted by subscribers! Follow the show on INSTAGRAM and The Website Formerly Known as Twitter

'Tis the season to be jolly! It is also the season to talk about a long lost relic of Christian hip-hop history that isn't available on streaming platforms, a Christmas hip-hop compilation album from 1990 released by Forefront Records called Yo! Ho Ho! Featured in this compilation are tracks from legends like dc Talk, E.T.W., D-Boy Rodriguez, and more! So be sure to join us as we dive into this time capsule of an album. Afterwards, we give quick reviews for new music from mewithoutYou, Ronnie Martin, Colony House, and twenty one pilots. Watch the show after the show at The Bonus Tracks! https://www.patreon.com/posts/bonus-tracks-1-116215522?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link Yo! Ho Ho! YouTube playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpLu2n3lavD8ntIuKzyLO4CUBa1XAdHpB&si=ospxD5O-I3khaQx3 Thanks to Visitor Pass for being the Spotlight artist on this episode! Be sure to support them and check out their new single: https://linktr.ee/visitorpass?utm_source=linktree_profile_share

On today's episode I am joined by Rob from the mewithoutYou Archive to talk about what he describes as "The most mewithoutYou album by mewithoutYou!" This is really a celebration of Catch For Us The Foxes which was released October 5th, 2004 and is celebrating a 20 year anniversary. This is the second show I have done on mewithoutYou, you can find the first one here. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠CalebTheSpy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Caleb_The _Spy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on Instagram Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠CalebTheSpypodcasts@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music by: Peg and The Rejected "⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sing It Out At Street Level⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠"

221. Taylor Whitney. Mewithoutyou and we brush our teeth together. Remember, every dollar I raise through podcasting goes to Convoy of Hope who is currently providing disaster relief to those affected by our nations hurricanes. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tyler-paul-wolfe/support

Dominic Angelella is someone Dan has described as a "known quantity". He's helmed bands like DRGN KING and Lithuania, and put out his own solo work for years in Philadelphia. But in an attempt to have no fixed address, he's found himself living in Ireland for the past year or so. Dan talks to Dom about his earlier days in the Philadelphia music community via Drexel's music business program, getting touring opportunities with bands like mewithoutyou and Foxing, touring with Lucy Daucus and Natalie Prass, and all the while working on his own songs amidst tour dates, bus rides, and stolen moments in stairwells. His latest album, 'God Loves A Scammer', is out now on all digital platforms, and also available on vinyl through his Bandcamp. ALSO: 'Want To Play A Song?: Live On 25 O'Clock Vol. 1' is now available for pre-order. The compilation features 10 original live performances from artists on the podcast. All the money from the compilation will go to Philly Music Fest's charity department. Philly Music Fest is a multi-day, non-profit music festival that has given over $500K to Philadelphia music charities. The pre-order gets you access to two tracks off the compilation, and will be fully available on 9/30. Let the pre-ordering begin!

Welcome to the Echo Play Podcast, hosted by Aaron and Evan! In our second episode, we dive into the hilarious and chaotic world of the Dick Belding's, a 90s cover band with a colorful history. We chat with members Paul, Matt, and Michael about the band's origins, their favorite music, and the ups and downs of life in the cover scene.From spontaneous decisions to form a band after a Spasmatics show to unforgettable gigs at wild venues like Spencer's Corner, we share stories that are sure to make you laugh. You'll hear about lineup changes and memorable first shows. Plus, we get a glimpse into their musical tastes, with shoutouts to bands like Every Time I Die, Manchester Orchestra, the Beatles, and mewithoutYou.This episode is packed with behind-the-scenes anecdotes like a cop interrupting a performance to inform Paul about his passed-out girlfriend or Matt showing up in a kid's Spider-Man costume. Join us for a fun, unfiltered look at the music world with plenty of laughs and genuine moments. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to the scene, the Echo Play Podcast is your go-to for all things music and band life.

Dan talks with lifelong Philadlephia musician Eliza Hardy Jones about everything: early days in Buried Beds with Brandon Beaver, touring and playing with mewithoutyou, Grace Potter, Iron and Wine, and her newest gig as a touring member of The War On Drugs. Eliza tells great stories about DIY touring life, vocal coaching the Philadelphia Eagles, quilting, and how she channeled her grief from a lost pregnancy into her latest LP, 'Pickpocket'. 'Pickpocket' is available wherever you get your digital music, and also as a limited edition vinyl LP from her website. The War on Drugs return to play in Philadelphia on 9/17 at The Mann with The National and Lucius.

Vince Ratti is a highly accomplished producer, songwriter, and recording/mixing engineer based in the Philadelphia area. Operating from two renowned studios, The Skylight in Fairless Hills, PA, and Studio 4 in Conshohocken, PA, Vince has become a sought-after figure in the music industry. His extensive portfolio includes collaborations with well-known bands such as Circa Survive, Brand New, The Wonder Years, Citizen, Balance & Composure, August Burns Red, Title Fight, Mewithoutyou, and others. Vince is not only a technical expert but also a facilitator of creativity, fostering environments that bring out the unique qualities of each artist. Beyond his studio work, Vince Ratti is a guitarist for the band Zolof The Rock & Roll Destroyer. This dual role as both producer and performer provides him with a holistic understanding of the music-making process, contributing to the authenticity and innovation evident in his productions. With a career marked by diversity and a commitment to pushing artistic boundaries, Vince Ratti remains a respected and influential figure in the dynamic world of music production. His dedication to excellence and genuine passion for the craft continue to shape the soundscape of contemporary music. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN ABOUT: Becoming an engineer who only mixes Do you need to be a jack of all trades? Social media for engineers: Do you need to use it? His two tricks for mixing big-sounding drums Figuring out the source of muddiness in your tracks When and when not to use tools like Auto Align Getting great bass tones Cleaning up guitar tracks Using multiband compression on vocals Rough mixes: What's the point? How to critique your work when self-producing To learn more about Vince Ratti, visit: http://www.verydesign.net/vince/ Get your copy of The Recording Mindset: A Step-By-Step Guide To Creating Pro Recordings From Your Home Studio by visiting: https://therecordingmindset.com For tips on how to improve your mixes, visit https://masteryourmix.com/ Looking for 1-on-1 feedback and training to help you create pro-quality mixes? Check out my new coaching program Amplitude and apply to join: https://masteryourmix.com/amplitude/ Download your FREE copy of the Ultimate Mixing Blueprint: https://masteryourmix.com/blueprint/ Get your copy of the #1 Amazon bestselling book, The Mixing Mindset – The Step-By-Step Formula For Creating Professional Rock Mixes From Your Home Studio: https://masteryourmix.com/mixingmindsetbook/ Join the FREE MasterYourMix Facebook community: https://links.masteryourmix.com/community To make sure that you don't miss an episode, make sure to subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or on Android. Have your questions answered on the show. Send them to questions@masteryourmix.com Thanks for listening! Please leave a rating and review on iTunes!

Recap From Round 1 of #CCMtournament2024 and predictions for Round 2. Jason Kirk, Josh Olson, and Kylan Savage join Eric McClanahan to discuss. Commentary on Amy Grant, Relient K, Whiteheart, Tobymac, DC Talk, Newsboys, Casting Crowns, Rich Mullins, Starflyer 59, mewithoutYou, Switchfoot, MxPx, Underoath, & more!Follow Eric on X to vote in the tournament: / ineverglow Kylan: / savagekylan Jason: / jasonkirk_fyi Josh: / josholson33 Church Jams Now: / churchjamsnow Eric on Insta: / ineverglow.eric Purchase Jason's book, 'Hell Is a World Without You': https://www.amazon.com/Hell-World-Without-Jason-Kirk/dp/1735492647/ref=sr_1_1?crid=121TIBHLDCHOO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CK5qaTNzJyKYDyXIVQ1Lwp3fMydWelvMYPs2jPGjtfjGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.X1HOcPEek3rnMJVPnIKGKpgvkUkPdPMVBYTHdzTZ7UM&dib_tag=se&keywords=hell+is+a+world+without+you&qid=1710694973&sprefix=hell+is+a+world%2Caps%2C361&sr=8-1

Cullen and Mason chat with Mike Almquist, the manager for mewithoutYou. They chat about how Mike became the manager for mewithoutYou, if the band is actually broken up, and what you can expect from mewithoutYou in the future.Check out mewithoutYou: https://mewithoutyou.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel: youtube.com/@theblacksheeppodcastFollow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theblacksheeppodcast

We made it to 15 Episodes baby!!! this car is still flying down the highway!!!! This episode we got Jacob Curry from Nashville's own KHAMSIN who is an absolute dream. We talked about Christcore, the importance of Post Rock and who owns it now, to not be scared of emails, and what the heck Khamsin even means (it's actually super sick i promise). Is Jacob in a coffee shop absolutely nailing this podcast while we recorded it?! Maybe!!! Is it ok to say you liked Underoath now?!?! Yes!!!! Here is a summary brought to you by Eddy by Headliner! ------------------------------------ Get an exclusive backstage pass to the life of Jacob from Khamsin, an emo musician with a knack for science. Learn about the challenges of booking tours, the evolution of music genres, and how to stay true to your band's identity in a constantly changing industry. This episode is a masterclass in navigating the highs and lows of the music world with the precision of a researcher. Listen now for a symphony of insights and inspiration. Retrograde Coffee [No link provided] Elevate Coffee [No link provided] Starbucks https://www.starbucks.com/ Maroon 5 https://www.maroon5.com/ Weezer https://weezer.com/ Sinai Vessel [No link provided] Jimmy Eat World https://www.jimmyeatworld.com/ The Hotelier [No link provided] Switchfoot https://www.switchfoot.com/ Funeral Homes [No link provided] Parannoul [No link provided] Narrowhead [No link provided] Vanderbilt University Medical Center https://www.vumc.org/ Norma Jean https://normajeannoise.com/ Manchester Orchestra https://www.manchesterorchestra.com/ Lost (TV Series) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/ Survivor (TV Series) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239195/ Valleyheart [No link provided] Is for Lovers Festival [No link provided] Suntitle [No link provided] Bad Luck Burger Club [No link provided] Dark Matter [No link provided] Camp Trash [No link provided] Smallville [No link provided] Copeland https://thecopelandsite.com/ Anberlin https://www.anberlin.com/ August Burns Red https://augustburnsred.com/ The Devil Wears Prada https://www.tdwpband.com/ Red Sparrows [No link provided] Caspian https://caspian.band/ As Cities Burn https://www.ascitiesburn.net/ Indian Lakes [No link provided] mewithoutYou https://mewithoutyou.com/ Moving Mountains [No link provided] Comrades [No link provided] Household [No link provided] Title Fight [No link provided] Sonic Youth https://www.sonicyouth.com/

We sat down with Mike Almquist, longtime manager of mewithoutYou, to discuss everything mwY. We get behind the scenes on their songwriting process, running the business side of things, and more. If you're a mewithoutYou fan like all of us, you're going to love all the insight Mike shares.Mike also managed Five Iron Frenzy during the Engine of a Million Plots era, so this is the perfect episode to follow last week's. We talk a little at the beginning, but the Engine of a Million Plots discussion starts at 1:21:36, if you're just here to battle dance unicorns with glitter.Visit colliderecords.com and use promo code “churchjamsnow” for 20% off your first purchase!If you like what you hear, please rate, review, subscribe, and follow!Connect with us here:Email: churchjamsnowpodcast@gmail.comIG: @churchjamsnowTwitter: @churchjamsnowFB: https://www.facebook.com/churchjamsnowpodcastPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/churchjamsnowpodcast

In this episode, Andrew and John are brothers. But first, an interview with guest Mason Mennenga: theologian, podcaster, great Twitter follow. We talk about his introduction to mewithoutYou, his favorite albums, and what makes the band so unique. Then, Andrew and John do a track by track discussion of the 2006 album Brother, Sister. Mason interview begins at 28:10. Album discussion begins at 1:18:47. *Note* This episode was recorded in July 2023 and was intended to be our Season 4 finale. There will be some additional episodes to follow before we begin Season 5, but this episode concludes the indie band discussion for this season. Thank you for your patience!

Cullen and Mason chat with Greg Jehanian from mewithoutYou about their farewell tour, if mewithoutYou will ever get back together, and much more.Subscribe to our YouTube channel: youtube.com/@theblacksheeppodcastFollow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theblacksheeppodcast

Mike fucks around and finds out. Topics include: Brandon has never seen an episode of Gilligan's Island; a truly lost tourist; we somehow conflate the following people as some sort of ultraperson: Jackie Collins, Jackie Moon, Jackie Robinson, Robert Patterson, Robert Pattison, Robert Patrick, and Richard Patrick; more tour bus stories; Real Dolls and other forms of masturbation; Tom's annoying neighbor; Bradley Hall; MeWithoutYou; Patrick Martin; Bob's Your Uncle;  #podcast #funny #comedy #comedypodcast #giligansisland #tourism #RealDoll #BradleyHall #MeWithoutYou #PatrickMartin #MikePatton #BillyCorgan #phrasemeanings #wordmeanings Cartoon avatars of Tom & Mike created by Gary Bacon: https://twitter.com/pixelbud ***************************************************** VISIT OUR OFFICIAL SITE! https://www.tomandmike.com ***************************************************** Check out our let's play channel, Gaming with Tom & Mike: https://www.youtube.com/@gamingwithtommike

In this episode, Andrew and John are torches together. In this penultimate episode of season 4, educator, seminarian, and Patreon Punk, Meg from Monterey joins the pod to discuss mewithoutYou's album "Catch for Us the Foxes." Her deep love and knowledge of this band was critical and appreciated for our conversation! This is a deep dive episode! Album discussion begins at 52:08.

Howdy y'all! Welcome to Off the Beaten Clef. This week, we are doing round two of Bolos & Marlboros - a collection of western, folk, americana and country tracks all squeezed into a 20 song playlist curated for you. Thanks to all who contributed for audience submissions! Now kick off them boots, listen along and enjoy. To listen to Bolos & Marlboros II on Spotify To listen to Bolos & Marlboros episode from 2022 on Spotify / Apple Podcast.  To listen to Bolos and Marlboros I Playlist on Spotify   To listen to Cody Garrett's new single SAWDUST on Spotify / Apple Music  To watch Dust on the Bottle by David Lee Murphy music video on YouTube  Audience Submissions: Matt Gault - Dust On The Bottle by David Lee Murphy Louie - You Can Have the Crown by Sturgill Simpson Dusty Hyden - Poems and Closing Time by Zach Bryan Cody Garrett - Jamestown Ferry by Charley Crockett Grant Hutzel - Big Rock Candy Mountain by Burl Ives Lili - Four Winds by Israel Nash Christopher - Back Home Again by John Denver  Ben - American Remains by the Highwaymen Jansen Hagen - A Picture of Me (Without You) by George Jones Chad - El Paso by Marty Robbins Dil's Picks: Far Across the Sea by Sierra Ferrell Last Call by 49 Winchester Running Deep by The Dead & Down Heart is the Hero by the Wood Brothers Fucked It Up by City and Colour Kev's Picks: Evangelina by Colter Wall Dinner by Whitey Morgan and the 78's Blackjack County Chain by Benjamin Dakota Rogers To The Choir by Joshua Quimby East Bound and Down by Jerry Reed Songs of the Show: Dil - (pls) set me on fire by Enter Shikari Kev - Feel Your Ghost by Tiesto ft. Mathame OTBC Social Media: Merch - offthebeatenclef.com Instagram - @offthebeatenclef Twitter - @OffClef Email - offthebeatenclef@gmail.com Discord - Link HERE Thanks for listening!

This week Jeremy plays new songs by Angel Du$t, Spiritual Cramp, Frail Body, Record Setter, Amitié, and Bright Eyes - Plus tracks by Royal Headache, mewithoutYou, Violent Soho, MSPaint, Turnover and more! Subscribe to the PATREON and receive a brand new radio hour every Sunday! Thats two additional episodes a month AND you get them a day early! You'll also see a complete list of songs played on this episode. Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter!

Welcome back to The Greatest Song In The World, our recurring monthly segment in which we and members of our audience submit some of all-time favorites in search of The Greatest Song In The World! This week, the submissions are all hitting heavy as the songs that were submitted come from some of the submitter's favorite bands and in one instance one person's favorite song of all-time!  Please continue to stay subscribed to the show as we will continue to share our love for these meaningful songs and share with you what we think are the Greatest In The World! Also on the show this week, we share our thoughts on two busy release weeks with albums from Meg Myers, Softcult, Baby Metal, Fall Out Boy, boygenius, Bury Tomorrow, City and Colour, Dead Lakes, and nothing,nowhere. #SensesFail #Live #Hellions #mewithoutYou #16Horsepower  #MegMyers #Softcult #BabyMetal #FallOutBoy #BoyGenius #BuryTomorrow #CityAndColour #DeadLakes #NothingNowhere ---------------------------------- Find us on social media: https://discord.gg/2jv87Wypvw https://www.twitter.com/TheSkinnyPod https://www.instagram.com/mikewearsprada mail to:theskinnywithmikeandadam@gmail.com --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/theskinnywithmikeandadam/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/theskinnywithmikeandadam/support

Bryan Patton of the As the Story Grows podcast joins me this week as we dig into Ten Stories by Mewithoutyou. We give our personal histories of being aspiring music journalists and how those stories intersect with Mewithoutyou. I have a revelation about how the sound of this album heavily influenced the direction of Season 2 of the podcast going forward.Follow DFT'S DungeonPatreon: https://bit.ly/3UlV4puFacebook: https://bit.ly/3LnPleQTwitter: https://bit.ly/3DDa50fInstagram: https://bit.ly/3UioAwoYoutube: https://bit.ly/3LmRqYmSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3RVbOCnLast.FM: https://bit.ly/3qKGVVmEmail: dftdungeon@gmail.comJoin the DFT Dungeon Discord Server!https://discord.gg/ADVqFYpT6qhttps://www.dftdungeon.com

Note from Pepper: This episode is special for me. J Robbins is my favorite producer and I never in a million years thought I would get the chance to have a conversation with him. Yay! Robbins began his career as a bassist for Government Issue, and has also led five of his own bands: Jawbox, Rollkicker Laydown, Burning Airlines, Channels, and Office of Future Plans. He was a touring bassist for Scream and played bass on the debut 7" from Jack Potential, which was issued by DeSoto Records in 1993. More recently he played bass in Report Suspicious Activity with Vic Bondi, which released two albums on Alternative Tentacles Records. In 2011, Robbins, along with Kerosene 454's drummer and fellow Channels bandmate Darren Zentek, bassist Brooks Harlan, and guitarist/cellist Gordon Withers, released an EP under the name Office of Future Plans. The band, who had been playing since 2009 and released an album on Dischord Records in November 2011, but as of October 2016, they are not together anymore. In May 31, 2019, J. Robbins released his first solo album, Un-Becoming. Robbins is also a successful producer and engineer for bands such as Ponytail, Clutch (and side project The Bakerton Group), Jets to Brazil, Hey Mercedes, Shiner, Mock Orange, The Pauses, The Life and Times, Miranda Sound, Time Spent Driving, Faraquet, The Dismemberment Plan, The Monorchid, The Promise Ring, Dwindle, Pilot to Gunner, Paint It Black, None More Black, Jawbreaker, Discount, Against Me!, Goodbye Soundscape, Modern Life is War, Stapleton, Murder By Death, mewithoutYou, Black Cross (hardcore), Lemuria, Caustic Casanova, The Sword, Debate (from Sao Paulo, Brazil), Coliseum, Hammer No More the Fingers, Small Brown Bike, Broadcaster, Noyo Mathis and Nakatomi Plaza. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You can learn a lot about leadership from rock ‘n' roll.There are some leadership lessons best learned from one of THE most iconic forms of music ... Rock 'n' Roll. It's been around for decades and has seen its share of highs and lows. There are a lot of parallels between rock and leading a team, and the connection isn't made nearly enough.I host lead singer of one of my favorite bands, The Collection, David Wimbush. He shares his powerful vision for music while keeping his band engaged and motivated for the long haul. We can all learn a lot from his insights and apply them to our teams in business!The Collection is an indie rock band from North Carolina that's put out three albums praised by Parade Magazine, American Songwriter. They were also a top ten judges' favorite on NPR's Tiny Desk Contest. They've toured hundreds of dates around the country, opening for The Oh Hellos, Sammy Rae & The Friends, Ripe, and Larkin Poe, and have garnered millions of streams across platforms of their songs.The Collection Website - http://www.thecollectionband.com/ What You'll Discover in this Episode:Why he's backpacking in the Himalayas during the holidays.How traveling to 47 states and many countries have informed his songwriting.Why and how he uses his journal in his creative process.What inspired him to start a band.The musician and the revolution from his youth that inspired his music.What happened at a concert that inspired him to bring amazing energy!Where he and his band find their enormous energy night after night.The magic of “spontaneous music”.Why The Collection plays with such joy and energy on stage.The strategy they use to build trust between band members.Three things the band does to maintain strong communication and relationships.How the band uses the enneagram.His vision for the band.David's journey with mental health.The importance of leaders becoming transparent about their own mental health.The power of apology.What happened on a recent songwriting retreat.How to facilitate your team authentically showing up.Music he's inspired by right now.The top band he listened to this year.His top 3-5 music festival headliners.Resources:Bright Eyes https://www.thisisbrighteyes.com/Larkin Poe - https://www.larkinpoe.com/ Sammy Rae and the Friends - https://www.sammyrae.com/ Holly Humberstone https://www.hollyhumberstone.com/ Gang of Youths https://www.gangofyouths.com/ mewithoutYou https://mewithoutyou.com/ -----Connect with the Host, #1 bestselling author Ben FanningSpeaking and Training inquiresSubscribe to my Youtube channelLinkedInInstagram

Brandon Beaver stops by to talk about Philadelphia, his past musical families of Buried Beds and mewithoutYou, his experience watching his bandmates wrestle with hearing injury while on the road, and what's next now that mewithoutYou has played their farewell tour. The conversation keeps coming back to one thing... and yes, we talk an awful lot about ears on this show, but in the end, music is all about the people. Music heard in this episode is by or featuring Brandon Beaver with mewithoutYou, Buried Beds, Make a Rising, and the 2011 Buried Beds short film Small Stories. To get into the holiday spirit in a uniquely Philadelphia way, you can also hear Brandon on the Philadelphia Eagle's Christmas album "A Philly Special Christmas", which benefits the Children's Crisis Treatment Center.

Max Bemis is the frontman and primary composer of the band, Say Anything. He also fronts the band Two Tongues alongside Chris Conley (Saves The Day), plays alongside his wife Sherri Dupree-Bemis in Perma, and fronts his newest musical project: Maxim Mental. On this podcast episode, Max & I discuss: growing up in Los Angeles and its challenges, early days of Say Anything, touring (with Dashboard Confessional, Piebald, mewithoutYou, The Get Up Kids, Hot Rod Circuit, The Bled, and more), we discuss specific tracks from the legendary album, "Is A Real Boy", and so much more. Max's links / socials: Max Bemis Instagram - @maxbemis Say Anything Instagram - @sayanything Max Bemis Link Tree: linktr.ee/maximmental Merch & Live Song Stream! www.bemissongstream.com Maxim Mental on Apple Music Maxim Mental on Spotify Two Week Notice Podcast partners: www.piebald.com Furnace Fest - for tickets & more info, visit https://www.furnacefest.us/ Follow Furnace Fest on Instagram: @furnacefest & @furnace_fest_community Go to www.plugyourholes.com and enter the code "TWNPOD" at checkout for a 15% discount Ways to support the Two Week Notice Podcast: Follow Dana on Instagram: @danafuggenb Follow the podcast on Instagram: @twoweeknoticepodcast iPhone users - give the show a 5-star written review on Apple Podcasts Non-iPhone users - give the show 5 stars on Spotify Spread the word on the socials, and tell a friend! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/dana-bollen3/message

This is a BIG one! Yeah, we know some of you are starting with this episode... Welcome! If you like what you hear, go back and check out the other episodes! The guys talk about toxic church communities, suffering servants, Aaron's minor celebrity, maritime imagery, post-punk and post rock sounds, the first mention of an anthropomorphized insect in a mewithoutYou song, and A LOT more! Please consider rating and reviewing the podcast on Apple, Google, and Spotify! For more info about the podcast, including show notes, short blogs, and host info, visit our website: uswithoutthempod.com Join our Facebook group to keep the conversation going: uswithoutThem Podcast Keep up with the latest on social media: Instagram, Twitter, Facebook  We got stickers!

Through sprawling metaphors of community building, friendship, and loneliness, the opening track of Catch For Us The Foxes paints a picture more vivid than anything we find on mewithoutYou's first record. Nic, Joel, and Steven dive into those metaphors, the history of the Bruderhof community, and the promise of finding people you seem to resonate with.  Please consider rating and reviewing the podcast on Apple, Google, and Spotify! For more info about the podcast, including show notes, short blogs, and host info, visit our website: uswithoutthempod.com Join our Facebook group to keep the conversation going: uswithoutThem Podcast Keep up with the latest on social media: Instagram, Twitter, Facebook  We got stickers!

Nic, Steven, and Joel are back with the second season of uswithoutThem in which they tackle mewithoutYou's second album, Catch For Us The Foxes. In this episode, the boys talk about their memories associated with the record, its production, the title, and all the possible directions the season can go. Things are gonna get WILD this season, so get your interpretive theories ready! Please consider rating and reviewing the podcast on Apple, Google, and Spotify! For more info about the podcast, including show notes, short blogs, and host info, visit our website: uswithoutthempod.com Join our Facebook group to keep the conversation going: uswithoutThem Podcast Keep up with the latest on social media: Instagram, Twitter, Facebook 

Mason Mennenga of the BlackSheep Podcast & A People's Theology joins us to discuss Catch For Us The Foxes by mewithoutYou just in time for the record's 18th birthday. Mason brings an expansive and intimate knowledge of the band that eclipses the combined knowledge of Kylan, TJ, and Josh. Join us for a journey that parallels another famous journey in Middle Earth as we discuss Christian MTV, the best drummers in Tooth & Nail's catalog, and Aaron Weiss' lyrical fascination with stones, trees, animals, and food.Be sure to catch Mason on Twitter (@masonmennenga) and on his podcasts.If you like what you hear, please rate, review, subscribe, and follow!Connect with us here:IG: @churchjamsnowTwitter: @churchjamsnowFB: https://www.facebook.com/churchjamsnowpodcastPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/churchjamsnowpodcast

This week we have Rich Weinberger of Gatherers on to talk about the Mewithoutyou record Brother Sister. We talk about artistic collaboration with your partner, the difficulty kerning letters around an anus, the pop punk wars of 2010, writing music in quarantine, Daniel Day Lewis voice, vinyl turnaround times, the aesthetics of rain sounds vs recording in the rain, and the emotions surrounding your favorite bands breaking up. Listen everywhere. Tell everyone. // Follow us at @danbassini, @mysprocalledlife, @gatherersband and @runintotheground. Listen to our RITG Mixtape Vol. 8 here and our Best of RITG playlist here.

Before we get around to discussing the value of public apiologies, we queue up Youtube and Spotify tunes. We got into a discussion of what music we've been listening to this summer. Eventually, we get around to discussing one of Cody's favorite bands, Mewithoutyou which just completed their farewell your. We'll hear more about Mewithoutyou in a podcast later this year. Sorry for the delay…I apologize, can you forgive me. We got sidetracked talking about music when we really wanted to discuss the value of public apologies. Specifically, Cody references an apology from the Pope to the First People of Canada, which gets us onto the wider topic of apology and forgiveness. Wrapping up this episode, we give a bit of a preview of the amazing people with whom we are working to schedule some time for a conversation.

This episode we have a late night post-show review after the final mewithoutYou show in Pittsburgh. Suprisingly, we stay pretty focused on this one. Rob has a weird foot fetish and Jimmy is upset with the Philly natives for some trash talk. Enjoy! ***Editor's Note/Correction: I said My Exit, Unfair was played during the encore where I should have said Four Word Letter, pt. 2***

Celebrating 100 episodes of the podcast this week - Jeremy plays a song by each musician who's been a guest on the show for the previous 50 episodes! This extended episode includes tracks by My Chemical Romance, mewithoutYou, Thursday, Converge, Heart Attack Man, Praise, Saetia, Against Me!, Jeff Rosenstock, Soul Glo, Pity Sex, Joyce Manor, King Woman, Cave In, Gleemer, Scowl, Pup, GlassJAw, Nothing, Zulu, Deadguy, and SO many more! Subscribe to the PATREON and receive a brand new radio hour every Sunday! Thats two additional episodes a month AND you get them a day early! You'll also see a complete list of songs played on this episode. Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter!

Albums discussed are mewithoutYou's 'Brother, Sister' (5:08) and Mac Miller's 'Swimming' (39:59).  This week's listener album suggestion came from Apple Podcasts user Addison Robs. To suggest an album for CLRC, leave a review on Apple Podcasts with the artist and title (five stars always helps). For playlists and podcasts, visit us on the web at carllandryrecordclub.com and on Twitter @CLRCPod.  The theme song for Carl Landry Record Club is "I Should Let You Know" by Marian Hill. This episode was produced by Molly Dolan.  This is CLRC episode #77.

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She is undeniably one of the most eloquently emotive vocalists of modern times. In the studio with us is award winning recording artist Lorrie Morgan. Lorrie shares with us what it has taken to be successful, the perils and pitfalls that have gone along with it, and the desire she has to keep going. Morgan also shares with us how she and her late husband, and Country music legend (and recent Country Music Hall of Fame inductee) Keith Whitley met, her time with Tammy Wynette, Loretta Lynn, and her close relationship with Naomi Judd. Lorrie also explains how she has become the official Ambassador for “Nashville Hot Chicken”, and with the help of some of her famous friends, have created a music video promoting the Nashville staple.  Lorrie Morgan has been around great songs all her life. She is a Nashville native who is the daughter of Country Music Hall of Fame member George Morgan. She made her debut on the Grand Ole Opry stage at age 13, singing "Paper Roses." Her father died suddenly of a heart attack at age 51. She was 16 at the time and just beginning her musical career. Lorrie Morgan began making her own records shortly thereafter and was inducted into the Grand Ole Opry at just 24 years old. Morgan married fellow country singer Keith Whitley in 1986. She was signed to RCA Records in 1987, and her onslaught of hits began the following year. Whitley's tragic death of an alcohol overdose in 1989 left her a widowed working mother. Their duet "Til a Tear Becomes a Rose" earned her a 1990 CMA award. Her first three albums, Leave the Light On (1989), Something in Red (1991) and Watch Me (1992), all earned Platinum Record awards. Her Greatest Hits collection (1999) is also Platinum. War Paint (1994), Greater Need (1996) and Shakin' Things Up (1997) are all Gold Record winners. She sang "The Sad Cafe" on Common Threads: Songs of the Eagles, which was named the CMA Album of the Year in 1994. Country fans voted Lorrie Morgan their TNN/Music City News Female Vocalist of the Year in 1994, 1996, 1997 and 1998. Lorrie Morgan, the first woman in her genre to begin her career with three consecutive Platinum albums, is back in the studio with award-winning producer Richard Landis, working on a new album. It is sure to be yet another collection showcasing the rainbow of emotions, from darkest heartache to bright, shiny humor, that is the hallmark of Morgan's range. Concurrently, Morgan is working on a second project of original songs co-written with Larry Gatlin. "Where I am in my life right now, I'm not afraid to express what I feel," she says. “I'm not afraid to express my views on anything, especially on being a woman and my experiences in this business and in life.” Morgan is known for her lustrous vocal phrasing and the down-to-earth believability of her torchy performances. On records such as “A Picture of Me Without You" and "I Guess You Had to Be There," the ache is palpable. She is feisty and sassy on "Watch Me," "What Part of No" "Five Minutes" and "I Didn't Know My Own Strength." She has kicked up her stiletto heels in fun on her hits "Except for Monday" and "Go Away." On her epic "Something in Red" she is an honest, struggling everywoman. She has been a daughter, a bride, a mother, a divorcee, a widow, a single mother, a breadwinner and, ultimately, a survivor. In many ways, Lorrie is a living, breathing country song, and she knows what she sings. She is a peerless song interpreter, drawing from a deep personal well that spans enormous tenderness to cheeky hutzpah. Whether covering a classic or sharing one of her own songs, Morgan is truly a song stylist in the grandest tradition. "I have always been a songwriter and I do love to write," she comments. "But I'm only comfortable co-writing with a few people, and I don't like appointment writing at all. Plus, I'm not one of those people who says, 'If I didn't write it, I'm not going to record it.' If somebody else's song is better, I'm going to record it and not my own. Morgan has recorded in collaboration with her father, as well as Whitley, Frank Sinatra, Johnny Mathis, Tammy Wynette, The Beach Boys, Dolly Parton, Andy Williams, the New World Philharmonic, and Pam Tillis. She has toured with George Jones and shared a stage with Jerry Lee Lewis, newly inducted into the Country Music Hall Fame along with Whitley. “My children and I are thrilled to see Keith's name added to the list of stars who've earned their place in the Country Music Hall of Fame,” she says. “It is a well-deserved honor, though Keith himself would've been painfully humbled. I am happy for his family and the many, many fans who continue to point to Keith as one of the all-time greats.” "My dad used to say, 'You should never take yourself too seriously,' and I got my sense of humor from my dad. I love to have fun. I've reached the age where I feel that I deserve good company around me, people who can make me laugh, who love music and who love to have a good time.” The Business Side of Music ™ © 2022 Lotta Dogs Productions LLC Showrunner and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Producer and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas Recorded inside an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on what's left of Music Row in Nashville TN (except during pandemics, then it's pretty much been accomplished VIA Zoom or over the phone, with the exception for those fearless enough to come to Bob Bender's dining room… and there have been a few that have survived). Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY Production Sound Design: Keith Stark Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy. Website: If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to: musicpodcast@mail.com If you're interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and we'll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at musicpodcast@mail.com #TammyWynette #LorettaLynn #LorrieMorgan #JeannieSeely #KeithWhitley #KrisKristofferson #NashvilleHotChicken #SammyKershaw

On this weeks radio hour Jeremy plays new music by Spice, Charlie Hickey, End It, Sonagi, The Flex, awakebutstillinbed, Tony Molina, Warthog, and Cave In. You'll also hear tracks by Claud, mewithoutYou, Pianos Become the Teeth, Violent Soho, and more!  Subscribe to the PATREON and receive a brand new radio hour every Sunday! Thats two additional episodes a month AND you get them a day early! You'll also see a complete list of songs played on this episode. Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter!

Born in Malaysia to Sri Lankan parents, Harann* seemed to be a model Hindu. He paid regular homage to the elephant god Vinayaka and had a key role in the Hindu festivals, but the real Harann preferred the endless pursuit of fun. After his Friday prayers, his Saturday sins would accumulate. He wondered if there was more to true happiness. In the quiet of night, a voice inside Harann told him to seek the truth. His months-long quest led him to the feet of Jesus. “By Monday,” Harann says,” I was a different person. No other object on this earth could have done that for me, but Jesus Christ alone.” He also got a new assignment, to tell others about Jesus, doing missions in a completely new way. Learn key differences between Hinduism and biblical Christianity and why Jesus is enough. Be encouraged by our Sendoff, as Caleb O'Malley uses spoken song with TobyMac's “Me Without You.”Never miss a One80. Join our email list.Billy Graham's Peace with God  Hinduism video prayer, PrayercastMalaysia, PrayercastHinduism and Christianity*Harann's name and photo have been changed for security purposes.

A misunderstood wise man once said “Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds.” In our most personal and vulnerable episode yet, we do some seeking through the lens of songs that fill us with the bravery and sincerity to love ourselves and others fully. Dig deep with us as we fish for words about our tiny place in the universe and dance with gratitude for our ability to do so.Follow us on Instagram and Twitter (@tunedig) for more info about the songs that didn't make the episode. Check out more episodes at https://tunedig.com.

Podcast: https://chriscaggs.podbean.com or http://www.shakedownradio.com Mixcloud: http://www.mixcloud.com/chriscaggs Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3tfyyDP Google Podcasts: https://bit.ly/2F4N7D1 Facebook Friend: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggs Facebook Fan Page: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggsradio Twitter http://www.twitter.com/chriscaggs Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/chriscaggs Over the span of 22 Years across 14 Radio Stations - Chris Caggs has been on air at: Groove FM 96.9FM & 94.5FM - Sydney Groove FM 97.3FM - Brisbane DJ-FM 87.6FM -  Sydney 2RDJ 88.1FM - Sydney 2NSB 99.3FM - Northside Radio  Sydney Pump FM 99.3FM - Sydney 2ICR Radio - Sydney Mix It Up Radio - Brisbane STR8OUT Radio - Melbourne Mixxbosses Radio - Sydney Urban Movement Radio - Brisbane Liquid Radio - Sunshine Coast - Dance Starter FM - Sydney - Dance Tune 1 Radio - Perth - Dance 4PLAY Radio - Queensland - Dance V1Radio - Melbourne - Dance Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on Liquid Radio every Saturday Afternoon 2pm - 4pm AEST from Sunshine Coast Queensland playing House & EDM at http://www.liquidradio.online Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on V1Radio every Saturday Night 9pm - 11pm from Melbourne, Australia playing House & EDM at http://www.v1radio.net Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on 89.9fm Starter FM every Thursday Night 7pm - 9pm AEST playing House Music at http://www.starterfm.com.au 4PLAY.fm is Australia's Newest Dance Radio Station compiled by JimmyZ - Dance Programmer for Wild FM, Nova FM and Club [V] at http://www.4PLAY.fm Roberts Media Group Present's - RMG Web Radio - 3 Radio Stations in 1 - DJ-FM, ShakeDown Radio and Smooth Jazz at http://www.rmgwebradio.com Music supplied by PLAY MPE http://www.plaympe.com and Google PR Pool http://www.globalprpool.com & Relish PR Factory https://www.relishprfactory.com/ Tracklist: [00:00:01] Diplo & Miguel - Don't Forget My Love [00:02:55] Oliver Heldens & Anabel Englund - Deja Vu (Extended Mix) [00:06:49] Diplo, Paul Woodford & Kareen Lomas - Promises [00:09:58] Sigala - Melody [00:12:10] LDN BANKS - Lost In Love (Extended Mix) [00:15:33] John Newman - Waiting For A Lifetime [00:17:58] WEISS - Ain't Me Without You [00:21:36] THAT KIND - Better Off Alone [00:23:56] Becky Hill & Shift K3Y - Better Off Without You [00:27:08] Nathan Dawe - Cheatin' (feat. MALIKA) [00:29:28] Joel Corry & Mabel - I Wish  (Extended) [00:33:09] Harpoon-x-Benjamin-Barth-Deep-In-The-Blue-Extended-Mix [00:37:40] Becky Hill & Sigala - Heaven On My Mind [00:40:25] Joel Corry - Liquor Store (Super Clean Edit) [00:43:16] Mark Pellegrini - Speed Up (KPD Extended Remix) [00:47:38] Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well [00:50:57] Wongo - Apple (feat. Jade Alice) [00:53:57] FARR - Heal Me (Biscits Remix) [00:56:29] Martin Ikin vs Astrotrax feat. Shola Phillips - Feel The Vibe [00:59:09] Shouse - Won't Forget You (Radio Edit)

Podcast: https://chriscaggs.podbean.com or http://www.shakedownradio.com Mixcloud: http://www.mixcloud.com/chriscaggs Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3tfyyDP Google Podcasts: https://bit.ly/2F4N7D1 Facebook Friend: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggs Facebook Fan Page: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggsradio Twitter http://www.twitter.com/chriscaggs Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/chriscaggs Over the span of 22 Years across 14 Radio Stations - Chris Caggs has been on air at: Groove FM 96.9FM & 94.5FM - Sydney Groove FM 97.3FM - Brisbane DJ-FM 87.6FM -  Sydney 2RDJ 88.1FM - Sydney 2NSB 99.3FM - Northside Radio  Sydney Pump FM 99.3FM - Sydney 2ICR Radio - Sydney Mix It Up Radio - Brisbane STR8OUT Radio - Melbourne Mixxbosses Radio - Sydney Urban Movement Radio - Brisbane Liquid Radio - Sunshine Coast - Dance Starter FM - Sydney - Dance Tune 1 Radio - Perth - Dance 4PLAY Radio - Queensland - Dance V1Radio - Melbourne - Dance Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on Liquid Radio every Saturday Afternoon 2pm - 4pm AEST from Sunshine Coast Queensland playing House & EDM at http://www.liquidradio.online Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on V1Radio every Saturday Night 9pm - 11pm from Melbourne, Australia playing House & EDM at http://www.v1radio.net Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on 89.9fm Starter FM every Thursday Night 7pm - 9pm AEST playing House Music at http://www.starterfm.com.au 4PLAY.fm is Australia's Newest Dance Radio Station compiled by JimmyZ - Dance Programmer for Wild FM, Nova FM and Club [V] at http://www.4PLAY.fm Roberts Media Group Present's - RMG Web Radio - 3 Radio Stations in 1 - DJ-FM, ShakeDown Radio and Smooth Jazz at http://www.rmgwebradio.com Music supplied by PLAY MPE http://www.plaympe.com and Google PR Pool http://www.globalprpool.com & Relish PR Factory https://www.relishprfactory.com/ Tracklist: [00:00:01] Diplo & Miguel - Don't Forget My Love [00:02:55] Oliver Heldens & Anabel Englund - Deja Vu (Extended Mix) [00:06:49] Diplo, Paul Woodford & Kareen Lomas - Promises [00:09:58] Sigala - Melody [00:12:10] LDN BANKS - Lost In Love (Extended Mix) [00:15:33] John Newman - Waiting For A Lifetime [00:17:58] WEISS - Ain't Me Without You [00:21:36] THAT KIND - Better Off Alone [00:23:56] Becky Hill & Shift K3Y - Better Off Without You [00:27:08] Nathan Dawe - Cheatin' (feat. MALIKA) [00:29:28] Joel Corry & Mabel - I Wish  (Extended) [00:33:09] Harpoon-x-Benjamin-Barth-Deep-In-The-Blue-Extended-Mix [00:37:40] Becky Hill & Sigala - Heaven On My Mind [00:40:25] Joel Corry - Liquor Store (Super Clean Edit) [00:43:16] Mark Pellegrini - Speed Up (KPD Extended Remix) [00:47:38] Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well [00:50:57] Wongo - Apple (feat. Jade Alice) [00:53:57] FARR - Heal Me (Biscits Remix) [00:56:29] Martin Ikin vs Astrotrax feat. Shola Phillips - Feel The Vibe [00:59:09] Shouse - Won't Forget You (Radio Edit)

Podcast: https://chriscaggs.podbean.com or http://www.shakedownradio.com Mixcloud: http://www.mixcloud.com/chriscaggs Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3tfyyDP Google Podcasts: https://bit.ly/2F4N7D1 Facebook Friend: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggs Facebook Fan Page: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggsradio Twitter http://www.twitter.com/chriscaggs Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/chriscaggs Over the span of 22 Years across 14 Radio Stations - Chris Caggs has been on air at: Groove FM 96.9FM & 94.5FM - Sydney Groove FM 97.3FM - Brisbane DJ-FM 87.6FM -  Sydney 2RDJ 88.1FM - Sydney 2NSB 99.3FM - Northside Radio  Sydney Pump FM 99.3FM - Sydney 2ICR Radio - Sydney Mix It Up Radio - Brisbane STR8OUT Radio - Melbourne Mixxbosses Radio - Sydney Urban Movement Radio - Brisbane Liquid Radio - Sunshine Coast - Dance Starter FM - Sydney - Dance Tune 1 Radio - Perth - Dance 4PLAY Radio - Queensland - Dance V1Radio - Melbourne - Dance Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on Liquid Radio every Saturday Afternoon 2pm - 4pm AEST from Sunshine Coast Queensland playing House & EDM at http://www.liquidradio.online Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on V1Radio every Saturday Night 9pm - 11pm from Melbourne, Australia playing House & EDM at http://www.v1radio.net Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on 89.9fm Starter FM every Thursday Night 7pm - 9pm AEST playing House Music at http://www.starterfm.com.au 4PLAY.fm is Australia's Newest Dance Radio Station compiled by JimmyZ - Dance Programmer for Wild FM, Nova FM and Club [V] at http://www.4PLAY.fm Roberts Media Group Present's - RMG Web Radio - 3 Radio Stations in 1 - DJ-FM, ShakeDown Radio and Smooth Jazz at http://www.rmgwebradio.com Music supplied by PLAY MPE http://www.plaympe.com and Google PR Pool http://www.globalprpool.com & Relish PR Factory https://www.relishprfactory.com/ Tracklist: [00:00:01] Diplo & Miguel - Don't Forget My Love [00:02:55] Oliver Heldens & Anabel Englund - Deja Vu (Extended Mix) [00:06:49] Diplo, Paul Woodford & Kareen Lomas - Promises [00:09:58] Sigala - Melody [00:12:10] LDN BANKS - Lost In Love (Extended Mix) [00:15:33] John Newman - Waiting For A Lifetime [00:17:58] WEISS - Ain't Me Without You [00:21:36] THAT KIND - Better Off Alone [00:23:56] Becky Hill & Shift K3Y - Better Off Without You [00:27:08] Nathan Dawe - Cheatin' (feat. MALIKA) [00:29:28] Joel Corry & Mabel - I Wish  (Extended) [00:33:09] Harpoon-x-Benjamin-Barth-Deep-In-The-Blue-Extended-Mix [00:37:40] Becky Hill & Sigala - Heaven On My Mind [00:40:25] Joel Corry - Liquor Store (Super Clean Edit) [00:43:16] Mark Pellegrini - Speed Up (KPD Extended Remix) [00:47:38] Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well [00:50:57] Wongo - Apple (feat. Jade Alice) [00:53:57] FARR - Heal Me (Biscits Remix) [00:56:29] Martin Ikin vs Astrotrax feat. Shola Phillips - Feel The Vibe [00:59:09] Shouse - Won't Forget You (Radio Edit)

Podcast: https://chriscaggs.podbean.com or http://www.shakedownradio.com Mixcloud: http://www.mixcloud.com/chriscaggs Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3tfyyDP Google Podcasts: https://bit.ly/2F4N7D1 Facebook Friend: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggs Facebook Fan Page: http://www.facebook.com/chriscaggsradio Twitter http://www.twitter.com/chriscaggs Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/chriscaggs Over the span of 22 Years across 14 Radio Stations - Chris Caggs has been on air at: Groove FM 96.9FM & 94.5FM - Sydney Groove FM 97.3FM - Brisbane DJ-FM 87.6FM -  Sydney 2RDJ 88.1FM - Sydney 2NSB 99.3FM - Northside Radio  Sydney Pump FM 99.3FM - Sydney 2ICR Radio - Sydney Mix It Up Radio - Brisbane STR8OUT Radio - Melbourne Mixxbosses Radio - Sydney Urban Movement Radio - Brisbane Liquid Radio - Sunshine Coast - Dance Starter FM - Sydney - Dance Tune 1 Radio - Perth - Dance 4PLAY Radio - Queensland - Dance V1Radio - Melbourne - Dance Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on Liquid Radio every Saturday Afternoon 2pm - 4pm AEST from Sunshine Coast Queensland playing House & EDM at http://www.liquidradio.online Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on V1Radio every Saturday Night 9pm - 11pm from Melbourne, Australia playing House & EDM at http://www.v1radio.net Catch ShakeDown Radio with Chris Caggs on 89.9fm Starter FM every Thursday Night 7pm - 9pm AEST playing House Music at http://www.starterfm.com.au 4PLAY.fm is Australia's Newest Dance Radio Station compiled by JimmyZ - Dance Programmer for Wild FM, Nova FM and Club [V] at http://www.4PLAY.fm Roberts Media Group Present's - RMG Web Radio - 3 Radio Stations in 1 - DJ-FM, ShakeDown Radio and Smooth Jazz at http://www.rmgwebradio.com Music supplied by PLAY MPE http://www.plaympe.com and Google PR Pool http://www.globalprpool.com & Relish PR Factory https://www.relishprfactory.com/ Tracklist: [00:00:01] Diplo & Miguel - Don't Forget My Love [00:02:55] Oliver Heldens & Anabel Englund - Deja Vu (Extended Mix) [00:06:49] Diplo, Paul Woodford & Kareen Lomas - Promises [00:09:58] Sigala - Melody [00:12:10] LDN BANKS - Lost In Love (Extended Mix) [00:15:33] John Newman - Waiting For A Lifetime [00:17:58] WEISS - Ain't Me Without You [00:21:36] THAT KIND - Better Off Alone [00:23:56] Becky Hill & Shift K3Y - Better Off Without You [00:27:08] Nathan Dawe - Cheatin' (feat. MALIKA) [00:29:28] Joel Corry & Mabel - I Wish  (Extended) [00:33:09] Harpoon-x-Benjamin-Barth-Deep-In-The-Blue-Extended-Mix [00:37:40] Becky Hill & Sigala - Heaven On My Mind [00:40:25] Joel Corry - Liquor Store (Super Clean Edit) [00:43:16] Mark Pellegrini - Speed Up (KPD Extended Remix) [00:47:38] Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well [00:50:57] Wongo - Apple (feat. Jade Alice) [00:53:57] FARR - Heal Me (Biscits Remix) [00:56:29] Martin Ikin vs Astrotrax feat. Shola Phillips - Feel The Vibe [00:59:09] Shouse - Won't Forget You (Radio Edit)

This week Jeremy interviews Rickie Mazzotta - Drummer of mewithoutYou Jeremy spoke to Rickie days before mewithoutYou embarked on tour and talked touring pre-covid, overnight drives, tour rehearsals, Dr Dre's The Chronic, Dookie, faux grunge, Lollapooza 94, his first drum kit, Weezer's Blue album, first bands, how he met the members of mewithoutYou, their early recordings and shows, Creep Records in Philadelphia, I Never Said I Was Brave and Kickstart Audio, signing to Tooth & Nail, Recording A to B Life with J.Robbins, coming to L.A. to meet Brad Wood to record Catch For Us the Foxes, Sunny Day Real Estate, self releasing Ten Stories, punks and money, the first time Jeremy saw mewithoutYou, and so much more!  For a bonus episode where Rickie answers questions submitted by subscribers - Subscribe to the Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thefirsteverpatreon Discuss this episode with Jeremy and other listeners: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thefirsteverpodcast Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/thefirsteverpod